A player of interest: Jarrod Washburn
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Darrell Rasner pitched well enough to get another chance tonight. Going into the sixth inning and giving up two runs is beyond what you expect from a No. 5 starter.
But how long will he hold the job? The Yankees are keeping a very close eye on Seattle left-hander Jarrod Washburn. He is owed roughly $14 million through the end of the 2009 season but makes sense for the Yankees in several ways.
He has a 2.82 ERA in six career starts at the Stadium. Washburn also has pitched well against AL East team this season and has eight games of playoff experience.
Most importantly, Washburn would not come at a high cost in terms of prospects. Seattle’s benefit would be shedding his contract.
Washburn is 4-9 with a 4.75 ERA for a bad team. But former teammate Richie Sexson endorsed the idea of a trade tonight.
“I think he can pitch here because he’s a competitive guy,” Sexson said. “If they asked me, I’d say it would be worth it.”
The Yankees’ interest in Washburn was first reported by The Star-Ledger. The Yankees also are actively seeking one of the many left-handed relievers on the market. That group includes Ron Mahay, Brian Fuentes, Damaso Marte and John Grabow.
You can forget the idea of picking up a catcher. According to executives from other teams, no catcher that would be an upgrade on Jose Molina is available.
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Peter Abraham
terrible idea. I live in Seattle and can confirm washburn is a bum. That recent success is against awful teams and he’s lucky to labor through 6.
I agree. Go for Washburn. It is definitely a upgrade over Rasner in my opinion anyway.
Kevin
what about miguel olivo? he can help
I’d be all for Washburn.. we could be a very good 4th or 5th starter the rest of the way and could come cheap in terms of prospects. The only question is would Seattle pick up any of his contract for next season. Do you think he is worth it Pete?
Seattle bettter not over do it w/ the B prospect, we’re picking up the money in this deal, No they won’t get Tabata, no they won’t get Jackson, no not even Coke or Claggett, maybe Ramiro Pena or Colin Curtis or Cooper or Jones.
Hey guys, guess what?
I went to the game tonight….
…and they won!
I had a great view of Bobby’s home run!
When Pete starts to talk about trades then you know it’s really much true.Hopefully it is and the Yankees can keep the good prospects and save 1 or 2 for a bat or reliever.
This is the Yankees biggest resource…money.It’s a salary dump trade like Abreu.Whats the major downside.
If it’s a pure salary dump, Seattle will get practically nothing except for $14 Million, which they need to makeup for the awful Johjima contract.
Seems like a lot of money for mediocrity. Is he really $9 million better than ponson or rasner?
I’d rather see us put the money and prospects into a bat. Lefty reliever seems like a waste to me as well since our bullpen is pretty dominant right now.
i value cb7296’s opinion over Sexsons!
If he doesn’t work in the rotation, we can always use him as our lefty specialist.
Jared Washburn,,,think Cory Lidle only better….Looks like the Front Ofice is concerned that Wang very well might not be ready for the stretch run…..Maybe Hughes’s return is being pushed back……
Anyone else keeping tabs on the Sux.
Seattle had some interest in Kei Igawa… Washburn for Igawa and another 2nd tier prospect sounds good to me.
Pat- Hughes is on track for mid August return.
Rebecca, I think that you’re pressing the Yankees luck by showing up at two wins in two appearances. However, if you can guarantee 27 more home wins this year, you have my blessings.
Jarrod Washburn for 3 months sure why not, Jarrod Washburn for a year and 3 months I’ll pass.
Washburn is a good back of the rotation guy for this team for this year and next season.
He’s the kind of veteran depth we should have started this season with in the rotation.
The guy is a gamer, a lefty and tough. He can pitch here. As a 4-5 in this rotation, he’s a great fit.
I hope we get him and I hope Ichiro hides in his duffel bag and comes along with him.
M’s offense sucks can they get 1 frickin win against the Sux.
I know $14 mill reasons to day no to ashburn.. he is not very good anymore.. High fastball pitcher who throws 90 mph..
he has been declining for at least 3 yrs….
If they take Igawa and his salary maybe but I still say no..
BTW the Diamonbacks are really emptying out there farm for this run….
Why the talk about pen help?????Screw the lefty, fuentes is a FA at the end of the yr… WHy this nonsense talk……….
Get a bat 1 that can replace Abreu for next yr., yes he will not be as good but will be younger and cheaper……
To be having conversations about Washburn tells me that that Cashman wants a veteran to take the hill in August & September…..Truth is I might rather him on the mound in a key game in September as oppossed to lets say,,,Rasner and to a lesser extent Sir Sidney….Looks like Ian & Phil are back to basics on the farm….Good pickup if it comes to be……Still need RH hitter ……Move Igawa if possible
GB: Alas I cannot. But I have figured out how to improve my luck.
Brett Gardner needs to get on the Scranton shuttle I’d rather have Justin Christian.
Seems like a lot of money for mediocrity. Is he really $9 million better than ponson or rasner?
Rasner has been having trouble going 5. Tonight he threw 92 pitches and went 5.2 . In his previous 3 starts he threw over 100 pitches in each and only went 5.
Maybe it’s alot $$$wise but does it matter? Also what other options are there?
Washburn is a crafty vet who can and has pitched big games some of which were against the Yanks.
Why they didn’t get involved for Harden I don’t know. He came cheap. He has injury issues but what pitcher doesn’t?
They need a big bat because Gardner simply cannot hit at this level yet.
How sweet would it be to take over the Sux at Fenway this weekend?
“Maybe it’s alot $$$wise but does it matter? Also what other options are there?”
Well, Cashman went to personally check out Aceves tonight, and I am guessing it is to ascertain whether or not his stuff was good enough to replace Rasner if he falters.
The money does matter indirectly - it will go to luxury tax which will fund our competitors.
AL from BK is right,,,,He’s been a Yankee Killer since his early days in Anahiem…..Even with Seattle he’s still been better than effective….Lefty in The Stadium is a valued commodity……
Washburn is a big game pitcher, when he feels like the stage is set he all the sudden turns into Koufax. IDK if he still got it, his numbers sure show it.
Washburn or Igawa?
Is that even a real question?
The Yankees don’t care about the money especially if it doesn’t cost them any good prospect.
It is the same thing Cashman will do when he trades for Dunn this week too.
Thanks Pat Im glad someone else noticed his big game capability.
Steve Dave- Adam Dunn is like Giambi without the eye, why do the Yanks need another DH type guy.
I think we all know Cashman’s MO by now. He doesn’t trade any prospect. He takes someone’s salary dump and makes it work. You may as well flex those financial muscles at some point. So you can forget Holiday or Tex.
Well, Cashman went to personally check out Aceves tonight, and I am guessing it is to ascertain whether or not his stuff was good enough to replace Rasner if he falters.
The money does matter indirectly - it will go to luxury tax which will fund our competitors.
More than half of them pocket that money anyway.
Aceves wouldn’t be a solution for this year. He’d be another rookie on an innings count and that is the exact opposite of what we need for this season.
If we win tomorrow we are guaranteed to have a chance to overtake the sox in the weekend series
Cashman is soft on making big deals since the Abreu deal which worked out fine I dunno what his problem is. This team is going to have to get a young starter in the offseason no, if’s, and’s or but’s.
Dunn or Gardner hitting 7th??
Not like Dunn is 2nd in the league in homers or anything. And that almost 400 OBP is stinky right??
Are you kidding me, Al?
If you can get that kind of power bat for a salary dump you jump on it. Just like Cashman will do this week.
One thing to keep in mind about Washburn is that he has pitched very well over the last two months.
His team doesn’t score for him - but he’s got a 3.03 ERA and is averaging over 6.IP over his last 10 starts.
That’s certainly an upgrade over either Rasner or Ponson and he might feel a little rejuvenated pitching in the middle of a pennant race.
And if they can get rid of Igawa in the process, this is a win-win trade for the Yanks.
I think there’s one thing people are ignoring in Washburn’s evaluation…..he’s terrible. He used to be good, but really hasn’t pitched well since 2003. Not worth shelling out money or even low level prospects for someone who hasn’t been better than Rasner or Ponson.
CUYanks- Isnt that idea exciting and honestly I see a W tomorrow the Yanks are like a rolling train.
Aceves ain’t exactly a rookie on an innings limit. He is 25 years old and a vet of many indy leagues.
Jarrod Washburn 2007 vs Cle
Notice the pickoff move
I’ll recant my previous statement somewhat and give him 2005 as well. But, that was still 3 years ago.
Steve Dave- Is that a guarantee I hear?
“Not worth shelling out money or even low level prospects for someone who hasn’t been better than Rasner or Ponson.”
He’s actually been MUCH better than Rasner over the past 2 months.
And he’s lefty.
And he’s pitched in big games before.
Dunn could hit 70 HR’s in YS but what makes you think the Reds will take scrubs for Dunn?
I can’t believe no one’s mentioned that we’re 10 games over .500
Is that an incentive level?
Al:
Yes.
Dunn will be playing LF/DH for the Yanks by Aug 1.
Jarrod Washburn vs LAA
He went another level vs them.
From the Mariners Blog (comments section talks about Igawa):
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2008/07/should_ms_keep_washburn.html#start_comments
So, what will happen with Washburn? I’d say it’s still up in the air right now. Complicating things even further is what will happen if the M’s trade Erik Bedard this winter. If Washburn winds up dealt this summer, that would leave the team heading into 2009 without a lefty starter who has proven capable of putting up league average results.
A small consideration, to be sure. But a consideration nonetheless.
So, how do we know that what Washburn has done isn’t all smoke and mirrors? Well, we don’t. But consider this. Yes, he padded his record against some weak teams. But he also had his numbers driven up to ghastly proportions by some teams that hit the ball very well. If we’re going to discount one set of results, do we discount those others– like his massacre in Detroit at the hands of the Tigers?
As for his postseason experience, also not good. He holds a 4.91 ERA in 36.2 innings with 40 hits and a terrible 21:14 K:BB ratio.
Playoff experience is not like press. When it’s bad, I’d call it unwanted.
Sorry for the multiple posts, I just checked out his stats page as soon as I read the article because I thought he was worse than he sounded and he is, IMO.
Dunn would tear up that porch in RF in the stadium.
The Mariners should be glad some team would take 13 mill for a 4 win pitcher.
Steve Dave- Is this a raelly big hunch or do you have sources or reason to believe, you do know that Cashman is a lightweight when it comes to big trades.
Less than 3 weeks ago after the team lost the first two games to Boston the thought of having this type of conversation would have been embraced by just about all…..Suddenly there is a climate of being a little too selective…Washburn would be an immediate upgrade at the # 4 slot and certainly the # 5 slot…..He’s a proven winning pitcher, not someone that has been recycled…Ponson still may prove to be worthy, but Rasner is on borrowed time guys……As for Dunn, that would a Christmas gift in July…..
*Really
I really think Dunn is sorely undervalued because of the low batting average a high strikeouts, but he walks a ton and has a lot of power which easily negates the other two. I’d even say the Yankees should go after his poor man’s counterpart in Jack Cust, but we know Billy Beane does not undervalue players.
I am afraid of Dunn’s 200 K’s
Normally, I would say no to this trade. Why take on money when you have cheap inning eaters in the system.
But, if it’s a chance to unload Igawa then by all means do it.
Washburn’s salary is worth the price of not having to hear Igawa dumped on in the LoHud.
Well, we showed that the A’s and Twins are pretenders.
Basically down to 3 teams for 2 spots since the Tigers pitching is terrible.
On guy left this comment:
“Buster Olney reporting that the Yankees are scouting Washburn.
Igawa and prospect for Washburn…DONE! ”
Wow - have they seen how Igawa has actually pitched here?
Carmine, I don’t know if Washburn is a good option, but how are is playoff numbers relevant being that there isn’t even an outside chance of him pitching for us in the playoffs, even if the Yankees do get him?
K’s are an overrated stat when judging a hitter. Check out Dunn’s OPS.
Remember we are getting him to hit 7th. Not be a difference maker in the middle of the order. A 400 OBP and home run power are not found on trees these days.
Carmine yeh about that Postseason thing
.269 BAA in the postseason, umm yeh I think I’ll go by that number since ERA can be misleading.
You can’t trade Igawa! He’s going to be the Triple A pitcher of the year!
line up of Damon, Jeter, Abreu, A-rod, Giambi, Cano, Dunn, Cabrera, Molina I like.
I mentioned postseason numbers because it was mentioned in the original posting.
Brandon, true to that, but the 21:14 ratio is pretty blah.
You are going to see Hawkins traded pretty soon too.
Alright I go to sleep now. I am gonna hold you to that Dunn prediction Steve.
I like Gardner but he is not ready for prime time. We need a hitter in LF. Dunn sounds great to me. Ibanez fine. Bay more than fine. Nady sure. A lot of options out there.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Dunn in LF. ANYTHING in LF is better than Gardner. I don’t care how many times he strikes out. Gardner strikes out a lot too and can’t possibly hit a homerun. At least Dunn can give you power.
You think Cashman should have sucked it up and given Mahay that 2nd yr when he wanted him in December???
For what it’s worth, I just read on mlbtraderumors.com that the Yankees might be able to acquire Dunn for mostly money without having to give up much significance in players. If that’s the case, Cashman should be all over that.
I like the Washburn suggestion. This is gonna get done, you can bet on it; the Yankees love to get the guys that give them a hard time and Washburn always has.
We need another catcher to replace Moehler not Molina. Gerald Laird would be a pefect fit. He has some power and is pretty decent defensively. Laird and Molina can split the games something like a 3/4 rotation. When Molina took over full time duties earlier in the year his whole game suffered, dont want that to happen again.
I’ve been saying Washburn for weeks now. Honestly, if it takes Igawa and a mid-level prospects, you have to do it. Igawa is essentially worthless as a Yankee because he’ll never do anything for us.
If we can get Dunn for mid-level prospects, you do it. That would had a ton of pop to the back of our lineup.
You people realize that Dunn is hitting .234 right?
The Yankees are three games out of a playoff spot. What?!?!?!
From what I can tell, the offense has started clicking because of Cano and Damon. Posada was a non-factor during his stint between DL times. And Matsui, while huge when here, is not vital.
So this team will be pretty effective if their offense remains at really just their career averages.
As for the pitching, I hate all this Marte/Fuentes talk because the bullpen has been great and we still have Bruney, Britton, Ohlendorf, Cox… still not even on the team. And they’ve had no specific issues vs. lefties. Leave that alone. It’s a non-issue.
Starting pitchers: Maybe you can rely on Ponson and Rasner as one or the other for the fifth starter, but you need a solid #4 if you’re contending. This particular move depends on how much they have to give up. But if they decide not to make an in-house move (a la Karstens or Kennedy who would probably not be huge improvements), you might as well give it a shot if you don’t have to sacrifice much.
My key issue, aside from maybe another starter, though, is the BENCH! I would love if Gardner was just a bench guy, come in to pinch run or play defense - NOT starting. Obviously not pinch hitting with those strikeouts and not much bunting. Don’t necessarily need another catcher if the rest of the lineup is solid. So get a DH-type. If you want to, play Sexson at 1B most of the time and then you don’t have to make a move if you put Giambi in the DH spot. But I think they need to dump Betemit and get a real backup IF (Miggy Cairo I miss you!!). Betemit is K after K with a few big hits in between. I think Gardner is a solid 4th OF. You just need someone, for goodness’ sake, who can play infield defense late in the game so that you don’t have to worry about it later in the season. Betemit at 1B, where he’s rarely played before this season? I’m still not sure what Cashman saw.
Anyways… As for the offense, it should get going, and I wish to heaven almighty that they stop having extremely low-or high-scoring games, and just play consistently. That’s the key since the pitching has been so great. Just don’t rely on the pitching too long because this rotation is not extremely reliable.
Brandon, true to that, but the 21:14 ratio is pretty blah.
We can look into this
21:14 is horrible, but 7 of those BB came in the World Series vs juiced up Barry Bonds and the SF Giants.
Game 1 5.2 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB 5 K’s, 3 HR
Game 5 4 IP, 6 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 5 BB, 1 K , 0 HR
(That series alone screwed up his postseason numbers)
He returned in 2005 vs CHW
4.2 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K
his last 2 postseasons has been against the WS Champions.(White Soxs and Red Sox who he pitches well against)
Dunn’s .388 OBP and .549 slg. totally nullify his average. He’s getting on base more often than everyone on our team save for A-Rod and Giambi. It really shouldn’t matter if he walks or singles. And he has a ton of power which means the hits he does have are meaningful. Compare his stats to Melky’s. Melky might have a higher average, but you can’t possibly believe he’s more helpful to his team than Dunn.
“You people realize that Dunn is hitting .234 right?”
And Gardner is hitting .161.
Jarrod Washburn sucks. He hasn’t been good for six years outside of his contract year. He isn’t an upgrade over Rasner and if he is, its not by much. Just because a guy pitches well against the Yankees doesn’t mean he is a good pitcher. Pass on Washburn. He stinks. I’d rather see McCutchen, Rasner, Aceves, or even Igawa over a $10M stiff like Washburn who is signed through 2009.
Fair enough Brandon. I’m just going under the impression they want some kind of prospect or two in return in addition to us eating the contract. But, as I’ve read, if they’re willing to take Igawa, I’m fine with that. Crap for more expensive less crappy crap is okay when you’re the Yankees.
And another thing:
Why the hell do we need a lefty reliever? Our bullpen is lights out. Theres no reason to waste resources (prospect and financial) to fix something that isn’t broken.
The hold up is the Mariners want to package Jose Vidro and Jarrod Washburn to us - via John Heyman
I think Washburn is currently way overrated. He has pitched better of late, but as cb7296 said, living out here you get to see him and he isn’t that good. Look at his numbers. His record isn’t showing a victim of a bad team, he’s a part of that bad team. I got a chance to see him pitch in may against the White Sox. It was like he was throwing BP. Gave up six runs in the second inning. His ERA is 4.75, He’s given up 13 HR, He’s given up 131 hits in 110 innings. That isn’t good.
Why would they want Igawa. Are we talking about the Yankees eating his salary too? That would make Washburn a pretty pricey pitcher.
Espresso yet he only allowed 2 runs vs Boston 2 nights ago, so can it be that he just feels dead over there ? Sometimes pitchers shut down IDK, but his stats say he’s pitching better than that.
seems to me that all you people are forgetting, that they are the NEW YORK YANKEES, the most successful franchise in sports and they got $$ 14mill/yr is not a lot for them.. come on, were not tampa or other markets that can’t afford people.. so stop saying money woes.. were gonna lose a lot after the year w. the contracts expiring.
Rasner is an AAAA, not a MLB id rather have Washburn then Rasner, plus he’s another lefty.. come on guys
Dunn’s .388 OBP and .549 slg. totally nullify his average. He’s getting on base more often than everyone on our team save for A-Rod and Giambi. It really shouldn’t matter if he walks or singles. And he has a ton of power which means the hits he does have are meaningful. Compare his stats to Melky’s. Melky might have a higher average, but you can’t possibly believe he’s more helpful to his team than Dunn.
One Jason Giambi is enough. Comparing Dunn with Melky doesn’t help your argument if you’re not also moving Melky.
Well now I see why a lot of you would have no future as a GM lol.. And you guys knock Steve Phillips he looks like a smart man compared to most of you.
Washburn is the right move to make. He cannot cost anything at all. The Yanks could get Washburn and then get one of Marte/Fuentes/Affeldt/Grabow.. Fuentes would cost most and Marte nearly the same, but with more upside. Grabow would like cost a player or two. Also Adam Dunn to the Yankees will never happen you cant take my word for that.
I could see the Yankees adding Washburn and either one of Marte or Grabow. Dont forget Arthur Rhodes either…
A bat really isn’t as important now that Cano is back to being the player he should be…
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Madonna oh I mean Arod 3B
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
________ DH
Molina C
Cabrera CF
That line-up isn’t bad at all.. I wouldn’t doubt the Yanks continue to stick with Gardner for the remainder of the season. He has a track record of struggling at a new level for about a month then he takes off. We’ll see if that happens, but don’t expect the Yanks to get a big named hitter.
One Jason Giambi is not enough, lol. I’d take 2 or 3 more the way he’s hacking this year. His only issue has been with RISP which has been an issue for everyone. Batting average measures very little by itself. OBP and Slg are much more indicative of a player’s performance by themselves.
Speaking of which, Dunn has a .901 OPS with RISP. I agree if we had to trade a Hughes or Austin Jackson for him, I wouldn’t like it, but if we can get a premier hitter for nothing but money, where’s the risk? It’s the Yankees. Think of how much Abreu helped us in 2006.
There isn’t a hold-up yet. The Mariners may ask the Yankees to take Vidro. That may be a problem for the Yankees. “Meanwhile, the Mariners COULD counter by asking that almost-as-disappointing designated hitter Jose Vidro be sent to New York along with Washburn.”
As for Washburn not being that good:
While Washburn is only 4-9 with a 4.75 ERA this season, he is handicapped by playing for an awful Mariners team. He also has been much better in recent weeks. Over his last eight starts, he’s 2-2 with a 2.65 ERA.
He has a 2.65 ERA over his last 8 starts, so some of you don’t know what you’re talking about.
What’s wrong with taking Jose Vidro? A switch hitting bat that was a quality hitter up until this year? Can he play LF? If so, in that trade you can get a LF and a SP in one deal…
DFOX because Vidro is playing hurt.
“DFOX because Vidro is playing hurt.”
Says who? If they can get Vidro anywhere close to his old form, he’s a much better option than Sexson and can really help this team.
Sorry, Washburn isn’t good. You can take little splits out of his season and say he has turned it around, but that’s just fooling yourself. Look at all his stats. He isn’t that good. I don’t care about the money aspect of, I’m just sick of people screaming for the next savior and its just a nobody. Aside from losing well to the Red Sox the other day who has he pitched well against? San Diego, Washington, Toronto, Angels, Oakland. What offense in that list is impressive?
At least those Brett Gardner predictions were right. I love seeing all seeing him get on base at a .350 rate and steal second everytime.
Tangent: There is something to be said for batting average. I think people are too quick to dismiss it. I like the high ob% and slg%, but having guys who put it in play fairly regularly is nice too.
God himself couldn’t get Vidro to his old form. Sad but true. The Mariners would definitely just be looking to dump his salary.
Even though I want a righty OF, I would take Dunn in a heartbeat. His OBP and RISP would be a very welcome addition to this lineup.
Not to mention the right field upper deck would be his personal landing zone.
Get him and Washburn and we’re good to go.
I don’t want to touch the bullpen outside of swapping Hawkins for one of the guys at AAA. I know Bruney gets the next callup, but I’m secretly pulling for a guy like Strickland who is attempting to come all the way back.
point is he is not, he’s batting .224 and has an obp of .268.
Espresso, you’re definitely right on average. It’s not a useless stat. But Dunn is what he is and we could use someone in the outfield who can hit the ball beyond the infield, especially if someone like him would come cheap prospect-wise.
Vidro hit .314 last year. Last year wasn’t that long ago. Playing on a team as piss poor as Seattle probably wears on you. Maybe he could turn it around in NY, but anyone, if he’s included in a Washburn deal, you might as well take him.
“Adam Dunn is like Giambi without the eye, why do the Yanks need another DH type guy?”
Umm, how about because we currently don’t have a DH. In case you haven’t been paying attention, Matsui and Posada are likely done for the season. Sexson can only hit lefties. You don’t really want to waste the DH spot on a weak hitter like Betemit or Gardner, who are really just bench/role players, do you?
2.64 BAA in last 10 games
60 % PT for strikes
holds the running game
I really wouldn’t mind this.
Ah ok. I thought you meant his Montreal days when he was an all-star player. Sorry about that.
Dunn leads the majors in walks as a sidenote to anyone questioning his eye.
This hasn’t been like the past teams where they were sitting around and waiting for the long ball. I don’t see Dunn fitting in with this team. Also everything still depends on what the situation with Matsui is.
I think Cashman has to make that trade if they don’t have to give up any good prospects. I would much rather have 1 1/2 years of Washburn then 4 more years of Igawa throwing batting practice in the minors. Rasner was good today but before this start he has been terrible!!! Yanks need a major leaguer for the stretch run. They can not count on him or Ponson to be good for another 2 months. Everyone knows that Cashman does not trade prospects no matter who the trade is for. So taking on a salary dump in this case is probably the only trade he would make. Washburn has been really good in his last couple of starts, and he is a decent pitcher and a lefty who would be good in YS. Igawa is a disaster and will never pitch for this team and if Cashman can get rid of him then they definitely have to do it.
Why not expand the trade?
Igawa, Matt Carson,and Sexon for Washburn, Vidro, and Rowlandson-Smith?
Dunn leads the majors in walks as a sidenote to anyone questioning his eye.
He’s also 5th in the majors in strike outs.
Nobody on the current Yankee team is in the top 50.
CaptainsCorner,
I agree. If Seattle will take Igawa, I would settle for two tickets to see The Dark Night in return. Getting Washburn would just be icing.
According to Mike Ashmore-
Have seen some comments that the Yankees have traded Thunder reliever Bo Hall to the Astros…I am not with the team on the road and confirming things at 12:30 in the morning isn’t real easy, but if I can get anything concrete on it, I’ll have an update later in the day.
UPDATED: Have been able to confirm, thanks to a source close to the team, that Hall has in fact been dealt to the Astros organization for the ever-popular player to be named later.
I wonder who’s coming back
I’d try to get Arthur Rhodes included as the lefty specialist. Struck out the side tonight against Boston.
Arthur Rhodes and Latroy Hawkins in the same bullpen is my worst nightmare.
These are both relievers the Yanks have consistently feasted on over the years.
Maybe we get Weasley Wright
Look at Rhodes’s numbers. Trade Hawkins back to Colorado for whatever.
Maybe we get Weasley Wright
doubt it he’s on the ML roster, though I’d love to have him in this BP (fingers crossed)
To Brandon et al -
Washburn’s postseason stats are irrelevant - he’s no longer the pitcher he was when he was pitching in the postseason for the Angels - his last appearance in postseason was in 2005. Interestingly corresponds to his last good season. But he only made 1 start of 4.2 innings in ‘05, was awful in ‘04, and in the World Series in ‘02 (took 2 of 3 Angels losses).
I don’t think he’ll be much if any better than either Ponson or Rasner, and he comes at 20x the cost. Plus he’ll suck up a starting slot that should be filled otherwise next season - that’s the big negative in the deal. Next year.
The guy who started the string had an excellent point - he’s done well lately mostly against lesser competition. I think everybody’s more positive on this deal since they think they’re gonna get rid of Igawa. Frankly I think Igawa himself may well be a better bet going forward. If we’re willing to take on that kind of money this season, get Maddox. There’s somebody who’s tough, a competitor. And no ‘09 committment.
Jarrod Washburn
2.82 ERA at Yankees Stadium (check)
2.76 ERA in last 5 games (check)
2.64 BAA in last 10 (check)
2008 60 % PT for strikes (check)
holds the running game (check)
Gets Kei Igawa out of NY (check check)
Yeh I still do it.
But Greg Maddux won’t accept a deal to the AL.
He’ll only accept a deal to another NL West Coast team like the Dodgers.
Further on your pitching on a dead team theory.
Seattle started the season with high hopes - the beginning of the season is when Washburn sucked.
Now that their out of it, he’s pitching better.
Yeah, that sounds like a warrior to me.
Giuseppe - living out here on the West Coast I guess I can understand that Maddux feels that way. Though I don’t know that I’ve heard that statement come out of his mouth.
But where is Maddux going to get a shot at a ring with an NL West Team? And do you think SD wants to trade him to a division opponent? Sometimes minds change when other incentives come into play my friend.
Maddux is awful. Please no. His stuff would get eaten alive in the AL East.
Igawa is worthless to the Yankees. He’s never going to have success here. There is a small chance that he could with the Mariners just because they have one of the top pitcher’s parks, but I wouldn’t bank on it.
Some of you are ridiculous. I could understand not wanting to take Washburn because of his salary next season, but to say he’s not better than Rasner or Ponson is absolutely ridiculous. A rotation with those two bringing up the rear may be effective, but for how long?
Anytime you can get a solid back of the rotation lefty, you do it. No one is saying this is Johan Washburn, but he’s a solid lefty, who’s pitched great as of late, and played in big games. An easy match for the Yankees.
Some of you guys need to get over the “We need a left in the bullpen mentality”. We have one of the top 5 Pens in all of MLB at this point. We’re 6th in ERA, 1st in WHIP, 3rd in K/9, 3rd in OPS,2nd IN BAA. Why trade valuable pieces for either Marte or Fuentes when they aren’t needed?
I don’t think we need a lefty, but I’d just try to get Rhodes in the deal too. Kind of kills two birds with one stone. Before I hear anyone whine, he’s better than Hawkins and actually fills a potential weankess other than garbage time reliever.
NYYFAN,
If you think the Yanks have a shot at Maddux, you’re insane.
He’s never pitched in the AL in his entire life and he’s not going to do it now at the age of 42.
Before I hear anyone whine, he’s better than Hawkins and actually fills a potential weankess other than garbage time reliever.
But Bruney is probably going to get called up in a few days and take over for Hawkins.
Then again, they could send down Giese - which I think would be a bad move because he’s clearly pitched better than Hawkins and he fits the long-relief role better.
Finally to Brandon -
It looks like I’m picking on you, but really I’m not. If you feel that way I apologize - I really enjoy your attention to the system and some of the ideas you throw out there.
But one more - are you really that curious who we’re gonna get for 27 year old AA reliever Bo Hall? Look, I like Bo too - he’s pitched pretty well this season for Trenton. But this a classic “guy we don’t need for guy you don’t need” deal. Only possibility it’s anything more than than that is this - Ed Wade’s on the other end of it.
Can anyone explain their point in trading for Wolf? Anyone?
Middling lefty flyball pitcher in that park (look at his home - Petco, 3.17 ERA - road - 6.63 ERA - split!), free agent after this year, and a bit costly to boot. Now I don’t think Reineke is much to lose. He was just DFA’d a few weeks ago and went unclaimed at the minimum. They’re 10 games out of the playoffs! Has every starting pitcher on their AA and AAA teams died? My theory is he did something to Wade’s daughter back in the Philly days, and Wade’s trying to destroy his career.
Rhodes has actually loked pretty good. I believe he started the year in the minor because he was recovering from TJ. His velocity is up and it looks like his arm stregth is back. I would give him Hawkins spot in a heart beat.
NYYFAN I’m always into what AAA, AA or A ball prospect is moved whether it’s Bo Hall or anyone else
Ed Wade’s on the other end of it.
Especially when Ed Wade is on the other end
Yeah, as a final note, I assume everyone knows I mean no ill will in any point I make. Healthy disagreement is just as good as agreement to me. Night everyone.
as somebody who lives in the NW and has access to every mariners game, i can say without hesitation that this is a terrible, terrible idea.
Noonan - tell me what it is that makes Washburn solid? His periopherals as well as the basic stats are not significnatly better than either Rasner or Ponson, and he has the benefit of being a lefty in good pitchers park that’s better for a lefty (like Yankee Stadium, so new no park benefit for him) compared to 2 righties pitching in a park that’s worse for righties. And Ponson pitched in Texas - just bad for pitchers.
Some basic numbers this whole season (this last 8 games thing is crap too, check the opponents):
ERA WHIP K/9 SLG GB Ratio
Washburn 4.75, 1.48, 5.32, .467, 0.92
Ponson 3.88, 1.56, 4.04, .429, 2.04
Rasner 4.83, 1.50, 5.94, .462, 1.02
If that says to you Washburn is better, when pitching in a pitchers park, I don’t know what else to say. And at $14 million, when the other 2 might total 1/3 that at most?
Look, I doubt Maddux would make the move - but I do think he wants a ring. Better chance in NY that an NL West team? Maybe, maybe not. But it’s not insanity. I don’t have an alternate suggestion at this point, and I do think we could use another starter instead of one of these 2 - they make me nervous as well. But the committment to a mediocre Washburn for this AND next year makes little sense to me.
I might rather have Vicente Padilla even though he costs even more!
How about Odalis Perez. He’s a lefty, having a decent year, only $850K this season - $350 prorated, Washington would move him, shouldn’t cost too much, we’ve dealt with Bowden, no committment beyond ‘08. We really only need a guy for about 6 weeks hopefully. Yeah, he’s another Ponson, but that’s been working for us so far.
Sounds good to me.But it has to be of lesser prospects.Matt Carson,Colin Curtis,Cooper,Coke,Wordekemper something like that.
AND if they want Igawa…then straight up.
Man Adam Dunn and Richie Sexson platooning at DH/1B…how many un-athletic home run-minded lumberjacks does the team need? I really hate J.P. Ricciardi, but him saying Adam Dunn doesn’t care about playing baseball, it kind of makes me worry about acquiring him for a pennant race and expecting him to launch balls into the short porch. Even if it doesn’t require any noteworthy prospects and is money-only. Also, when he came to play in the Bronx with the Reds this year he looked God-awful at the dish.
Washburn is like Ponson without the luck, with a vastly higher salary, and with a trade cost. Taking on Washburn’s contract because he has been pitching well recently, when overall he is declining, would be short-sighted. The Yankees aren’t going to do it.
Do we really want a guy who has been accused twice in recent memory of statutory rape?
who was accused twice of statuatory rape? i seem to be out of the loop on this one.
whoever that is, of course, i would never want that player in pinstripes. there are those on here who probably say they don’t care. i wonder if they’ll still feel the same way if they think about their one-day teenage daughter.
I would go for Washburn (unless he’s the potential rapist), but i really, really do not want to pay him $10 million next year. that’s just a bad contract to eat. i’d rather hold down fort with Ponson and Rasner, if that’s the case.
This team’s been good enough to go 10 games over .500. With the regulars returning, guys like Gardner can assume roles they’re more suited for on the team, which makes us more solid.
Then again, someone did suggest a trade that I’m 100% behind and would fill needs for two teams. Yup. It’s time for a Latroy Hawkins for Carlos Beltran swap. C’mon, Omar. You guys SO would have won that game last night with LaTroy on the mound in the 9th.
There is no reason whatsoever to think that Washburn would pitch better than Rasner. Actually the more I look at it, it’s amazing how similar the two are.
If you want to throw $14M away because of some misguided notion that Washburn is a good pitcher, you’ve got a lot to learn. If you think that Washburn’s career record at Yankee stadium is remotely relevant, then you’re delusional.
I wouldn’t have any more confidence in Washburn over Rasner. The way everyone in the rotation is pitching right now, you don’t make any changes at the deadline, but I’ll put in another vote for Aceves if the time should come.
Seattle resident here- I get the pleasure of watching the Mariners lose and their absolute ineptitude. Let me sum up my in-depth analysis from someone who has seen every game he has pitched this year.
HE SUCKS-NOT JUST THIS YEAR BUT OVER THE LIFE OF HIS TIME IN SEATTLE. SAFECO IS A PITCHER’S PARK- IT IS HUGE, AND HE STILL SUCKS HERE. WHY WOULD YOU PAY 10 MILLION AND BE SADDLED WITH ANOTHER YEAR OF A SUBPAR PITCHER WHEN YOU CAN HAVE THE SAME RESULT FOR $300,000 A YEAR?
Options that are equal to or better than Washburn- Rasner, Karstens, Kennedy, Giese, Pavano.
Jarrod Friggin’ Washburn is a stud. As soon as the Yankees get him, they will be the favorites in the American league East.
washburn is not worth it.rasner and wash have almost the exact same numbers,era,baa,etc…. and wash is due 14 million through 2009,forget it,very bad move.the yankees refused to make any moves lately and no they wan’t a pitcher who has an era close to 5,hitters are batting 2.98 against him and he gave up 131 hits in 110 innings,terrible,rasner stinks so does ponson but 14 million for wash when anyone in house can duplicate for league minimum.bring up mcutchen,acevez or trade for an ace.that 14 million can go toward cc in 2009 and pay 3/4 of his salary plus with wang,joba,hughes and pettitte and moose probably coming back there is no room especially if we get an ace like we should.with our young bullpen and cc,wang,joba as the 1-3 look out,there will be no stopping us.
Who said anything about upgrading Jose Molina? You’d be upgrading Chad Moeller.
Well no way you can get a catcher thats better than molina he his great bad hitter but great catcher and lets go out and get pitchers
Washburn and trade Ian and hughes is a keeper and lets give him 2 yrs for he can be a good wang like pitcher and a.j burrnet we can get him no doubt with a rotation of
1.joba
2.pettitte
3.moose
4. A.J
5. Washburn
and out of no were you have the best rotation in baseball
Trading Phil would be ridiculous