Base-running becomes an issue
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 23, 2008 
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An interesting e-mail just dropped into my inbox.
John Dewan of Acta Publications has a “Stat of the Week.” This week he looks at something called Net Baserunning Gain, a stat Bill James helped come up with.
“It’s simply how many extra bases beyond average a player gains. For example, a runner goes first to third on a single about 30 percent of the time. The average is three out of ten. If a given player goes five out of ten, he is +2. We look at all the situations like this, scoring from first on a double, scoring from second on a single, and so on and so forth. If a player is thrown out on the bases, he receives a triple penalty (-3). And we count stolen bases, but it’s only a plus if it’s better than a success rate of two out of three (67 percent).
It makes a difference. The top ten baserunning teams are a collective 58 games over .500 and the bottom ten are 51 games under .500.
Here are the best (and worst) baserunning teams so far this year:
Best
Mets +77
Phillies +76
Rangers +74
Marlins +61
Rockies +58
Worst
Cardinals -22
Yankees -27
Padres -32
Orioles -36
Nationals -47
(The Yankees were at +64 last season, the seventh-best in baseball.)
Then we have this research from Baseball Prospectus.
It reveals that the Yankees have had 13 runners thrown out at the plate, among the most in the game. Seven have been gunned down going from second to home, which is tied for the most. That’s on Bobby Meacham.
The Yankees finally have their bats going. Now the coaching staff needs to help out by better picking when to run. The numbers are ugly.
Paging Willie Randolph
Let’s start a petition to fire Bobby Meacham!!!!!
no… meachum is an idiot.
Let me be the first to sign that petition. What a horrible coach. A blind monkey could do better.
I’m watching the game now. I have to say so far the crowd was awesome. They were very into the game. Nice to hear.
Girardi seems to be of the opinion that its ok to get thrown out at home plate if there are two outs…
I dont know if I like that answer. Meacham has to be using better judgement. Just because there are two outs is not sufficient reason alone to sent a runner home. He’s hoping for an error on the throw, but what he doesnt realize is that more often than not, outfielders will throw accurately to home plate.
That statistic is most probably a product of the offense failing to hit with RISP…or just hit in general (the last 10 games do not apply).
ps…i’m calling a Johjima dinger.
damn!
he did it twice today. Bowa was aggressive. Meacham is reckless.
Stats can be misleading. I recall the Mets (who are first in this category) had Endy Chavez thrown out at the plate twice, with no outs and the heart of their lineup coming up.
lol. Cairo’s BA > Varitek
Brett Myers 4 straight walks???
Doesn’t Brett Myers know that with the bases loaded, Beltran will look at strike 3.
From NYPost.com:
Even though he was safe today so it worked out, Meacham didn’t send Bobby.
“A three-run sixth inning was highlighted by Rodriguez’s two-run double that scored Derek Jeter and Bobby Abreu, who raced through third-base coach Bobby Meacham’s stop sign.”
Myers should have stayed in the pen.
Interesting that the BP article shows Bowa has has the same number of runners thrown out at home as Meacham. Obviously the stat is flawed, but maybe Bowa isn’t that much better afterall?
Windmill Willie time?
MLBTR sez the Yankees are in fact looking for catching – Rosenthal says the Yanks have expressed interest in Gerald Laird and Miguel Olivo. The Rangers want young pitching for Laird, however.
Jarrod Washburn’s limited no-trade protection includes the Yankees. He might want compensation to waive that, putting him out of the Yanks’ price range. The Mariners are looking for young pitching for him.
The Yankees may explore other trades, and are said to have interest in A.J. Burnett and Bronson Arroyo.”
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Um … on arroyo.
my idea is to just put Meacham at first and let Pena take over third base.
More meaningless stats. Try this one Wins – Loses. That about does it. The Yankees are near the top there, and climbing.
Windmill Willie really used to ryle me up.
How many times is the reason because of the runner blowing through a stop sign? Meacham is an overly (at times) third base coach, but, I’m sure that if all thirteen were his fault, something would have been done.
Someone tell Jarrod compensation would be not finishing 50 games out of first place.
the one play that really cost us the game was the one aganist the mets vs santana damon was on first and 0 outs and jeter hit a double and Meacham sent Damon with 0 outs and it turned out we didnt score and it was still 2-0, if we score things might be different
how about pena at third and meacham in the unemployment line?
Ichiro plays some kind of rightfield.
Another nice play by Ichiro to double up Drew.
If our 3rd base coach is our biggest problem now and going forward I’ll sign on the dotted line right now.
Cairo is a starter in Seattle??? lol
50 games jennifer? That’s being generous.
I would’ve said 75.
One day it is really going to cost us, i dont mind if we get willie or switch pena something gotta happen we cant continue doing this
you think manny will PH?
You know who will be most upset about the Washburn trade if it goes down?
The people in Scranton. They lose their ace for the stretch run.
Hmmm are we actually expecting the last place team beating the reigning world series champion? lol
John Maine really knows how to protect a lead.
mariners offense is really bad only the top 3 hitters are major leaguers
sunny- And I thought I was harsh!!
Mets have 2 runs with ZERO hits
what????? An Igawa-for-Brandon Morrow trade is out of the question in the reality as we know it?
E-Dog
I think they’ll be dancing in the streets. Who wants to see kei igawa pitch anyway?
jennifer – not harsh… honest.
Sox bullpen no hitter through 4.2 innings…
Charleston has a better offense than Seattle.
man why is tomorrow an off day. We could’ve take advantage of boston tire bullpen.
That 1st inning was crappy for Brett Myers. walk walk walk walk…
kei igawa and Sir Siney for Brandon Marrow and Felix Herandez
get it done
No one likes to see their ace pack their bags and join Seattles AAA team for the stretch run. Poor Scranton. Poor Key Man.
I’ll miss those sunglasses.
they have igawa jersey in modells i wonder who bought one
Why not, Ole Olan? seattle’s 3-5 against Boston, this year. Considering the level of competition, they’ve held their own against Boston, who haven’t exactly ripped the cover off of the ball during these three games.
Haha. Coco Krispie pulled a Melky.
Papelbon time! ! Everybody break out your voodoo dolls
They’re burning papelbon in a non-save situation which will be 2 innings unless he loses it here.
Wow, Papelbum looked like an idiot on that play.
This is becoming an issue now because finally the Yankees are plating more runs so Meacham has had more opportunities to screw up!
there go all those hitless innings d.j.
How does someone get a hit, when they grounded it to the pitcher?
Larry Bowa’s up there. How come no mention of that?
That’s some home cooking.
here comes papelbum for the lost
Let’s go Paps! Blow the game!
no hitter by Sox bullpen broken up!
Meacham will be out after this season, and Randolph will take over at third. Done deal.
Just checked the scores and wondered how the hell the Mets got two runs on no hits or errors. Four straight walks by Myers?? That must have been fun to watch…
Adrian, you’re doing it wrong…
Unless Seattle does a walk-off, Papelgoof may be used again in Seattle. A worn down bullpen and a cross country flight equals misery. Who knows what Manny may do on the plane.
watching game day. how did a ground ball to papleblow get a hit?
Papelbom booted the ball all over the field like an loser and now he’s about to take a big fat L.
Hey Pete, we’ve won 6 in a row. Stop being such a Negative Nancy.
Bomb that Papelbomb!
He is just the BEST closer in the game. Ask him!
Ha ha!
1st and third, 1 out!
game slipping away
It’s interesting that the Dodgers also have had 13 runners thrown out at the plate. Apparently Bowa is just as crappy as Meacham.
is it bases loaded or did the run score?
Come on Kenji. A fly ball is all we need!
His fish face is common in SEA-attle! HA HA HA!
hit that sac fly Johjima! Maybe we will trade for you lol
Come on JJiiima
Jojimaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!
Augh they let Papelbum off the hook. The longer this game goes on the less chance Seattle has of winning.
dang!
seattle sucks ugh..
Thanks for nothing Kenji….yet another garbage Mariners contract.
well that’s it – no way seattle gets runners again
Too bad we aren’t playing the soxs tomorrow. They’d be wiped out! At this rate they won’t be getting into their beds until 3 am.
wtf……..I doubt seattle bullpen can hold any longer
Argh!
Seriously, Seattle? Seriously?
Jojhima is so bad it is staggering..
check out the OBP on the Mariners players, there team is so bad it is pathetic..
terrbile DP…terrible…
Seattle..ugh
ellsbury covers so much ground in left it is a head sratching…
seattle just sucks so bad….
now they will lose because they suck… jojhima sucks….
Game over
if seattle lose today game….they better get to 18 innings!
A shutout by Sox bullpen through 5.2 innings…
I was just looking at Jojhima’s contract
get this:
* Seattle also to provide:
o 12 first- or business-class airline tickets to Japan for Johjima & family for 2006-07
o use of interpreter for Johjima & his wife at home & on road
o English classes for his wife
o position for Johjima’s personal trainer (Johjima to pay his salary)
hey – the Mets got some hits and now they’re winning
if it wasn’t for some bad throws Abreu and Molina would have gotten thrown out by plenty today. I Hate the RED Sux Fans there like roaches. Annoying and everywhere since they won 2 Titles
their
Vidro is 3 of 4 against boston today maybe he’s not so bad after all lol. He can be the designated Boston hitter
Judging Third base coaches is hard and there’s no great statistic for it. Runners thrown out at home isn’t a great number to use. Runners could get thrown out on bang-bang plays on “good” sends, while other times runners can score on “bad” sends.
It really is a case of watching the team and evaluating the coach that way. Larry Bowa was an aggressive coach, but Meachem makes too many bad decisions. Sending a runner home with two outs is the right play if the play will be close or if there isn’t a big hitter coming up next in the line-up. It’s a foolish move when the runner will be out by 10-20 feet, which happens too often with Meachem. I can’t for the life of me remember Bowa making one bad send the way Meachem has this past week. That doesn’t mean runners didn’t get thrown out, just that Bowa’s outs were better calls than Meachems.
I watched a lot of Marlins games in 2006 as I was a big fan of what Girardi was doing with the team. Watching games, it was quickly apparent Meachem was a terrible coach and it stood out to me how relieved I was that he wasn’t the Yankees coach. This situation needs to be addressed.
some crazy!!
Vidro had right to void if had club moved out of continental US or was not sold or re-located after 2005
Ichiro
# interpreter, trainer, transportation for Spring Training & regular season
# 4 annual round-trip airline tickets from Seattle to Japan
# housing allowance: $32,000 in 2008, $33,000 in 2009, $34,000 in 2010, $35,000 in 2011, $36,000 in 2012
Um does he really need extra money to pay for his home?
You have to be kidding me
$0.125M annually in physical performance bonuses: $25,000 for passing each of 4 in-season physical tests (body-fat percentage, 60-yard sprint, 20-yard shuttle run & vertical jump), plus $25,000 for passing 4 in 1 year
Why walk drew to face youk
About Pete’s post. You know what are the odds that Arod’s gonna get gunned down at the plate trying to score from 2nd on a base hit 2X in a series. Arod’s one of their best baseruners if not the best.
Aguayo on the Mets had Chavez thrown out twice last night. Manuel said that a 3rd base coach could have a 100 guys score in a row and he’s a bum when the 101st gets thrown out.
The Angels have the most guys thrown out according to that stat Pete posted and they’re the best in the league. IMO Sometimes there are too many of these guys keeping track of all these little things and it just ignores common sense at times.
Oh and the Sox are about to win. Oh well. Guess we’re going to have to catch them the old fashioned way. Earn it !!
boston 5-3
And there’s the game. Nice job, Seattle. Oy.
How is Willie Bloomquist still in the majors? What does he provide exactly?
Send Meachum down to Columbus — or Columbia.
But please don’t replace him with Alvaro Espinosa!
this is the best one of all.
Pavano may void option by reaching appearance levels (200 IP in 2008 or 400 IP 2007-08), but no buyout is paid
Any bets on whether or not Pavano’s agent called Cash about picking up Carl’s option.
Drew looked out.
Oh well. At least we won.
Hey Olan, I don’t think they like it if you call them “Japs”…
Bring Back Bowa.
i agree Meacham is awful. however, i wonder about the stats mean. for example, in the BP stat the Dodgers, w/Bowa, have pretty similar stats to the Yankees. the Angels have more outs than the Yanks – are the Angels a bad base-running club?
i watch the Yankees enough so that i have context on Meacham. if most of the guys thrown out were close plays with 2 outs and the bottom of the order coming up, then the # would mean nothing. but with Meacham so far, guys are getting thrown out by 20 feet, sometimes in weird situations in terms of the # of outs and the next batter up.
it’s great that these 2 guys compiled the stats, it’s interesting data.
Ah my bad….sorry bout that
anybody know what’s in Igawa contract ???
Seattle will come back and tie it!
Oh well, a win for the yankees against the twins and a win for the red sox against seattle is definitely a plus for the yanks. Plus, we’ve passed all the non AL East teams.
Kei Igawa lhp
5 years/$20M (2007-11)
* signed 12/06
* 07:$4M, 08:$4M, 09:$4M, 10:$4M, 11:$4M
* may earn $0.5M annually in performance bonuses
o $0.125M each for 180, 190, 200 & 210 IP
* Yankees bid $26,000,194 for negotiating rights with Igawa 11/06
* posted by Hanshin Tigers of Japanese League 11/06
* agent: Arn Tellum
* ML service: 0.095
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....60040.html
Bronx Jeers, you just gave the perfect description of Bill James…someone who keeps track of these little things and ignores common sense. Year after year, he invents these idiotic stats that have stat geeks drooling to buy his books for 25 dollars a pop just so they can sound intelligent and “prove” they know baseball. James has these suckers hooked on his garbage.
btw all this is from cots site.
wow papelbum not pitching if they lose this game…
anybody know what’s in Igawa contract ???
Mariners stink. Period.
bronx look up I posted it.
“anybody know what’s in Igawa contract ???”
Igawa gets a monthly metrocard and a japanese-english dictionary.
I can’t believe the Mariners think Sexson is not good enough to play on their piss poor team. How can ANYONE not be good enough to play on that awful team??
Can Ibanez hit one out of there?
So Willie, wanna go back to coaching 3rd?
We need to get better running the bases. We have the speed, we just dont have the coach. Meachum is an idiot. He has not been anywhere close to a good 3rd base coach.
Talk about overanalyzing… We are winning! Pete has to stop taking jabs at Girardi and the coaching staff. Winning is all that matters. Being aggresive has caused the other team to make mistakes. Look how Molina was waved home aggresively today. Seriously, this is a meaningless stat. Never seen one manager ever talk about such an irrelevant stat.
can vidro hit one out and end it?
Better chance of a walk and some sort of game tying hit
Thanks Jennifer,
I love the 194 dollars for his strikeout total.
50 mil spent on Igawa. It’s #’s like that that kill me when Cashman starts talking about being fiscally responsible. Really Boston spends 100 mil on Dice-k and it makes Igawa’s contract look like a fools gold decision.
Vidro sucks
man – that hurt
Oh well, at least it was a long game, and a really long flight home.
vidro sucks x2
bronx where do you see that? that 194 was part of the price bid on him.
how do they give that freaking run back
I’m already into the 8th inning watching this game. Moose was fantastic!!
I knew he’d be good, I said it, I just didn’t know how good.
Jennifer ,
Their winning bid was 26,000,194 for his rights. I remembered that the 194 bucks was for his Japanese league leading strikeout total. What a joke. The yanks should sell him back for 6.66$ which is his MLB era
seattle may be the worst team in baseball for years.. the ysuck, have older players with crap contracts, and also have traded many of there better minor league players…
they have atrocious OBP at almost every position…
the Jojhima contract looks like a keeper!!!!!!!!
I can run there organization better then they cn;; I trade anyone and everyone except; morrow, king felix, clement, and that is it.. I take whatever I can get for any of there big club players.. only prospects bacl.. Ichiro would be gone in about 2 minutes to the highest bidder, ibanez(adios), etc.. they only have about 5 guys that are tradeable..
there middle infielders make cano and cabrera look patient…….
they SUCK…
Rosenthal says the Yanks have expressed interest in Gerald Laird and Miguel Olivo.
didn’t I say this awhile ago
not sure if this has been posted but Ken Davidoff is reporting that “The Yankees have signed their seventh-round draft pick, high-school catcher Kyle Higashioka from California, for about $400,000″
Not sure I get the point here. The BP list shows
ANA 16 1 2 4 9 Dino Ebel
PHI 16 1 4 2 9 Steve Smith
BAL 14 0 2 4 8 Juan Samuel
NYA 13 0 1 7 5 Bobby Meacham
TBA 13 0 0 7 6 Tom Foley
that 4 of the 5 teams with the most base runners thrown out are at or near the top of their division. This is a bad thing?
Thanks RalphieD that is good news
I love Willie Randolph, but he was a lot like Meachum. Willie loved to wave em around.
The Yankees truly felt the loss of Larry Bowa this year. He not only was a great 3rd base coach, but Robinson Cano lost his mentor. I think Cano’s turnaround had a lot to do with getting some straight talk from his father at the All Star break. Bowa was a father figure and Cano obviously misses that.
hey brandon, or anyone, what is the likely level that montero will be playing at next year, staying at A?
Just finished watching something on HBO On Demand that I beleive every baseball fan should watch. He did a whole show on baseball it is show #17. It aied the night after the ASG and i missed it but it was wonderful.
The last segment was my fav it was Mays and Aaron together just chatting about baseball and their careers and lives.
The first segment was about the Hall of Fame the guests were Winfield, Palmer and Rose they talked about the Hall of Fame how to judge people getting in etc.
The second was a look back on the first half and a little on the state of baseball and it was Jimmy Rollins, Evan Longoria and Todd Jones.
The third was the state of baseball with Arte Moreno, Andy Van SLyke and again Winfield.
If you have HBO On Demand please watch this special program.
A+ ball
montero will be in Tampa, next year.
class A
ya………….. cano needs a father figure. he’s a grown man he doesnt need his daddy anymore. at least i hope not.
Cano started hitting back in May. Hopefully, the first two weeks of next year start in Texas, Minnesota, seattle and Oakland to give him a better start.
by the way he is at Low A, this year.
Didn’t Olivo get tons of hits against us, or am I thinking of someone else?
k thanks…i was figuring tampa
Nobody, Cano gets instructions and help from his father, a former major league player. Just like Jeter, Rodriguez and most other players have somebody in particular that they go to for help.
Rangers to deal Saltalamacchia to Yanks and Soxs ?
source
Austin Jackson turns a routine single into a double, in the 8th inning of a 1-1 game.e
Yankee brass meets tomorrow. If they are serious about a lefty reliever, expect a deal might be done for one tomorrow, before the Red Sox series.
Also why not get Arthur Rhodes from Seattle as a throw in, in the possible Washburn deal? Would be cheaper than Brian Fuentes or Marte, and lefties batting
Brandon: Well, we do have a thing for guys with really hard to spell last names!
Rebecca he’d be known as the “Salt Shaker” if he gets here
“Just finished watching something on HBO On Demand that I beleive every baseball fan should watch”
Yeah that was an interesting program. I loved hearing Aaron and Mays talk about facing Gibson.
For all the uber-stat haters out there…. there was a funny passage when they were discussing the stats relevant to get HOF status and they had the head of Elias sports on and he says that someone once asked him to compile Cy Young’s WHIP and he says something like “Come on, it’s Cy Young. do you really need stats to know that he was great.”
LoL.
thank you for the link, Brandon.
You mean like Mientkiewicz!!
Rhodes holds lefties to
no problem vinny !
Brandon-That post also indicated would take more than AG
Brandon: Sexy Time and the Salt Shaker on the same team?
Yes it looked like Bob Gibson didnt very much like Nays calling him a head hunter and if he had a baseball in his hand he miht have gone after Mays’ head again lol
Arroyo doesn’t want out of Cincy… YOU HEAR THAT CASH HE DON’T WANT TO BE HERE !
Rebecca together they would be “Sexy Salt”
Brandon:
Oh man.
Scranton game was postponed, meaning Bruney didn’t get to go back to back days. Looks like we have at least 3 more games with Hawkins
Brandon et al,
Posada might come back as DH when his 15 days are up, which is after trading deadline. This complicates matters for Cashman in deciding to trade for an outfielder, since we have Sexson, Damon,Matsui to fill DH spots.
Cheaper possibly obtainable lefties to face Ortiz this weekend would be Arthur Rhodes or Eddie Guardado.
Wish the Yankees had gotten Jon Rauch for what the Diamondbacks gave up, then spin him off in another trade, or keep him and trade FA to be Farnsworth.
Wilkins De La Rosa
5.2 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 K’s
GO/AO 6-3
It’s just child abuse now eversince they put him into the rotation.
Poor Wilkins!
He gave up all of two runs
We are so getting spoiled with our prospects.
One would think that if the Yankee braintrust is meeting it will be looking at the holes in the team and throwing out ideas as to how they might fix them.
With this race being so close right now, I think the Yankees are right in the thick of it. Rebuilding, retooling or reloading can be done with this current team.
I think the hot topics will be Burnett/Washburn, adding a bat, and catcher.
It all depends on asking price and what is the realistic expectation that could be gained. With all the teams having some holes in them, I think a lot of teams are looking at ways to make the run.
Reliever? I don’t really see it. While a lefty is great to have, this bullpen hasn’t been doing bad. Why mess with that?
Starter? Burnett is the best available right now and probably one of the cheaper options due to his opt out. That could chase other teams away. Washburn/heartburn. Big deal he can beat the RS. A broken clock is right twice also, so that doesn’t mean all that much. That is a lot of salary to eat for a not so great pitcher. Isn’t the risk for Burnett better?
Bats are a hard one. Teixeira might be possible, but it is going to cost. As time goes on, it might get better, but still. Dunn? Eh. Not so sure that would help the Yankees all that much. Nady? Cost is probably too high. Bay, see Nady. And that is figuring that Abreu is gone for sure. Holliday, same as Nady and probably more.
I don’t see where the Yankees will figure they HAVE to have another catcher. Molina is a weak bat, so is Moeller, but they aren’t going to get another Posada. Why try?
So it leaves a hole in the line up. Its no different than most of the other teams have… and Molina is batting better, though with some less power, than Veritek.
Its going to be interesting to see what, if anything, the Yankees decide to do. Remember though, George is not getting any younger, and the sentimental aspect of this being the closing year of Yankee Stadium may sway even Cashman.
don’t understand, planning involving Posada.
with that shoulder, he will have 0 power.
Yankee Trader
Please oh please do not bring up the name Arthur Rhodes as a possible trade name on a Yankees blog lol. If Latroy Hawkins this he got it bad I think the fanbase would commit harre care (not sure how to spell it) if Arhur Rhodes ever put on a Yankee uniform.
I still believe that the whole thing with Posada is about helping Cashman deal with less desperation. Once a deal is made, if one is made, Posada will be under the knife. Posada is being used as insurance against the fleece.
only factor, which makes sense.
Hara kiri is only for the Mariners.
Seppuku is for Yankee Fans. 
Nut-
Good points, but in term of prospects Burnett will cost more than Washburn, who, even if the Mariners eat some of his contract, will not get much in return.
Olivo might be best bet at catcher.
Nady price coming down, Bay will command much more. personally I’d like the Yankees to not keep Abreu, and get Nady for right, and spin off Abreu now for position prospects,which probably would net us more than draft picks.
There is no way the Yankees should even consider Burnett, w/ his history of injuries to give away prospects ? are you kidding me ? Plus this is Toronto they’re not going to deal him within the division. My guess is he ends up in Philly.
Olivo might be best bet at catcher.
I called this a long time ago, he throws out runners at a 50 % rate as a part time catcher and has some pop in his bat. IDK about him calling games or blocking balls but if he can catch and hit he’d be a solid pick up, he is a good fastball hitter, stops the running game.
With all that said I want some Salt at the plate.
Rhodes for Hawkins?
Oh well, don’t commit hari kari or hara kiri. Sorry there are HIPAA laws against suicide!!!!!
Yankees minor league-shortstop Alberto Gonzalez might become an option for the Dodgers if they can’t land the Pirates’ Jack Wilson or another more established shortstop like David Eckstein.
who would we get from the dodgers?
I’m a fan of Bowa and not particularly a fan of Meachum, but before we hang the guy, let’s be fair.
More often than not, it’s a good bet to send the runner with two outs and force the fielders to make a good play.
More importantly, with how bad the Yanks have been hitting with RISP this season, what choice did Meachum have?
Now that the Yanks offense is finally clicking, Meachum may turn it down a notch. Let’s wait and see before rushing to judgement.
De La Rosa is something special watching him pitch. for a left hander and pitching in his first full year, his command and control has improved greatly. He started walking a hitter or two in most of his relief appearances, and now, he walks almost nobody. about 84 innings this season, 81 innings and 102 strikeouts. He has walked 35, but allowed only 2 homers…BA against is .192.
Jonathan Ortiz is equally impressive with a 3-2 record and 26 saves. 49 innings, 68 strikeouts, 2 homers and 9 walks, .199 BA against.
Nady price coming down, Bay will command much more. personally I’d like the Yankees to not keep Abreu, and get Nady for right, and spin off Abreu now for position prospects,which probably would net us more than draft picks.
Nady’s price is not dropping infact the Phillies have just stepped up the price tag.
$13 – I like the points you’ve brought up on your last two posts. They make a lot of sense.
I don’t think they’ll spend for a bat. I do think that they’ll go after pitching – it is the coin of the realm. And starting pitching, at that – that’s the greater need. The decision Cash and advisors (Stick, etc.) must make is who out there is better than what they have in house – Sidney, Rasner, but also Aceves, McCutchen. Hughes and Wang will be back too late to have much effect, if any, this year. Plus, they might have a need for a starter in next year’s rotation, so this is a factor also, in deciding Washburn, Burnett, or whomever is worth the cost in players.
Catcher – only if it’s a clear upgrade over Chad Moeller as Molina’s backup.
I wonder how much sleep Cash is getting these days.
Ed IDK but I’d be willing to take Kuo, since Torre doesn’t use him.
Brandon-
Don’t you think Jon Rauch was a steal. Many teams would have given more for an overused closer with a WHIP of 1.00
For $13 I’ll be a Macadamia Nut -
Thanks for the lesson in Japanese ritualistic suicide – who says you can’t learn something new every day!
Can you morons stop with the “I called that.” If you throw out every trade possibility and free agent possibility, eventually you will get one right. No one is impressed by your self-aggrandizing. Sad, really.
Can we somehow make sure randy doesn’t see this:
“Based on their interest in Arroyo and Jarrod Washburn, it seems that the Yankees are hoping add an innings eater by spending money rather than top prospects.”
Damn you mlbtr!
Brandon-
Don’t you think Jon Rauch was a steal. Many teams would have given more for an overused closer with a WHIP of 1.00
Definitely a steal but they gave up a good OF prospect for him.
Phil, I called your post. It was plain to see that somebody would mention that.
Ed IDK but I’d be willing to take Kuo, since Torre doesn’t use him.
A-Gon for Kuo? what a steal..
If you’re talking about Hong-Chin Kuo, a lefty, from the Dodgers, he’s a 26yo strikeout machine with a WHIP under 1.00 and he’s pitched more than 55 innings already this season. I’d consider trading some top talent for him!!
Alberto Gonzalez would be lucky to bring you Nomar!!
the only dodger I want is Russell Martin and it’d take Hughes and Joba to get him.
As far as whether Cash needs to add a bat or not, Posada is the wild card, it depends on what, if anything, he can give out of the DH/1b spot. I hate to say it, but I don’t really count on him too much. He hasn’t been right at all for a long time now. He needs to just get the surgery imo.
If the Yanks indeed will persue a trade of a C, Miguel Olivo is on the market and I’d prefer him over Laird, Torrealba, etc. He has good numbers vs LHP career and ’08 and apparently has a good pct of baserunners thrown out. What would KC want for him??
But then, there’s also the line of logic that if you need to add a bat, why not just use your chips on a corner OF so you have very good offense in left and still bad offense at C, rather than somewhat better offense at C and still none in LF?
I think the Yankees are in a pretty good trade position as far as being able to protect their real assets. It’ll be very interesting indeed to see if they make a big trade or go the way of smaller, more under the radar type deals. Actually, this is the most (well, potentially) exciting trade deadline in some time imo. And imagine if we got rid of Igawa on top of everything else?
I know he is the manager of the enemy – but it is hard not to like Francona –
“”He showed up this morning, I wasn’t ready for that,” Francona said. “He said his right knee hurts.”
Francona then joked, “The (expletive) jaywalking, if you do it right, you won’t hurt your knee.””
from the globe.
Brandon they gave up a AAA 2nd baseman for Rauch, who didn’t hit in the majors when called up, and is projected by many , despite great speed, to be a utility player.
Also the price going up for Nady from ??Phillies. You meant Pirates. But where is that rumor coming from?
Brandon they gave up a AAA 2nd baseman for Rauch, who didn’t hit in the majors when called up, and is projected by many , despite great speed, to be a utility player.
Also the price going up for Nady from ??Phillies. You meant Pirates. But where is that rumor coming from?
TKinDC: If Francona ever wanted to put on pinstripes, I’d welcome him with open arms.
“Hara kiri is only for the Mariners. Seppuku is for Yankee Fans. ”
We’re above rough commoner colloquialisms?
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I wouldn’t mind getting Kuo for the former Attorney General; never enough Taiwanese players to root for.. (.(
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Anybody else out there in central Jersey land get power knocked out for 10-15 minutes?
No way do the Yanks trade Gonzales to the Dodgers unless Kershaw is part of the deal.
C.C. in line for another complete game shutout. He’s an absolute horse. Yanks must make a play for him in the offseason.
Oh and also, about Burnett, I would definitely rather have him than Washburn, and I see it as a plus that he could opt out, but I’m not sure the Yankees and Toronto are ideal trading partners, b/c of being in the same division and b/c what we have to offer is pitching, and you’d think Toronto would want hitters, since they currently have none of those. Though maybe we could give them a Juan Miranda type guy.
Even still, though, I just don’t see Toronto being eager to do anything that will help the Yanks.
To be completley honest here, I think CC is thriving in the NL.
He might not want to leave it.
I’d trade Scranton for Kershaw.
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Not just the roster….the whole city.
BBB
The biggest deals have already been made for CC and Harden.
Really hope Cashman is a buyer and seller, by ridding the Yankees of players who are becoming FA with little chance of return, and buyers of younger cheaper alternatives to take over outfield positions. So yes if a reasonable deal can be made for Nady, I’d like him in right field. Trade Abreu for position prospects. Many teams need an OF, like our crosstown rivals.
I’d go for Ryan Spillborghs centerfielder,of the Rockies too, if made available, and either trade Melky or use him as 4th OF’er.
Ah, the $$ signs that must be dancing through CC’s mind
For every zero he puts up, his price goes up by a hundred k or so?
yeah if the yanks cannot get Kershaw for the AG don’t trade him.. this is because???
Who is the AG? Wayne Tollefson, the mets SS a few yrs ago who was a great fielder but could not hit..
again the valuation of players on this sight is insane…
Nady, who the hell is he? the 320 hitter this year or what he has done the last 6 years???
Again Pitts. are delusional and have not known what the hell they are doing for yrs. and do not tell me about the new GM.. Just remember the 2 words Matt Morris…….
another good outing by malencon.i want to see what he could do in the big stage.. get rid of hawkins he is the only one that allowed a run against the twins from the bullpen.
YT,
• Fox Sports reported that Philadelphia has joined the list of suitors for outfielder Xavier Nady. The Phillies also are on the list for reliever Damaso Marte.
regarding meachum, he almost got Abreu thrown out at home today, but the catcher mishandled the throw. I was surprised the Yanks put him there at 3rd, basically without any third base coaching experience. You would think Pena would move over to third
Wow Brandon Fox sports said it then it must be true..
Melancon should be called up now, hell he should have been called up a month ago.
he is wasting the whole yr. toying with AA…Hawkins should be traded or DFA’d it is not real complicated.. Bruney and Melancon should be on the big club immediatley…
1.93 ERA with a 6 and 0 record for Melancon with a ton of innings…
Newsfalsh he is too good for AA and AAAA.
Man – who does philly have left to trade?
AJ Burnett’s contract is a major reason not to pursue him.
We are going to get draft picks if we offer Abreu arbitration and he ends up somewhere else, right?
I think the Pirates are holding pretty firm right now on their demands for returns for Nady. I am not convinced he is the right person to go after, but hey, who knows what the Yankees will do.
I agree that I think the only catcher they would go after is a backup upgrade of Moeller. Unless a starter drops in their laps, they are probably figuring on Posada for next season as their starting catcher. I don’t see him DHing this season to lose him for longer next season. There is too much tied up in him for that.
Starting pitching is the biggest problem they have. Despite Rasner’s last outing, I just don’t think he is going to remain in the rotation unless there is no other option.
Hughes may contribute in the bullpen, but by the time he comes back the rotation may be fairly set. Unless one of the pitchers loses it.
I know Burnett wouldn’t be the cheapest option, but would Washburn be an upgrade to Ponson or Rasner when you look at the salary? I don’t think so. The Yankees have traded with the Blue Jays before. It isn’t a great solution, but Burnett is a big upgrade to the back of the rotation. With Pettitte, Mussina, Joba and Burnett, the Yankees would be formidable pitching wise.
I think they might think about a bat, but some of that will depend on what position they figure to be a hole next year that could be filled. That makes me think Teixeira is not as likely. They can pick him up in FA if they really want him.
Meachum??? I was surprided the Yankees put him there this season with no previous experience, I figured Pena would have moved to third this season.
Regarding Abreu, lay off, hes doing fine, and you`d be hard pressed to come up with a better replacement. Hes leading the team in RBI, has a good average, draws his walks, steals bases, and he is having a solid year
Stuart Little, instead of insulting everyone and trying to impress everyone with your baseball knowledge, here’s some advice. Get a dictionary and pull up baseball-reference.com. Wayne Tolleson never played for the Mets. He played for the Texas Rangers, White Sox and Yankees.
Yankee Trader, I too would be in favor of trading Abreu and acquiring Nady, but it just seems so tenuous that both would get done in the next 8 days. Also, I think some teams (ie the Phillies, who are also in on Nady) feel more of a sense of “now or never” than we do and are prepared to go all in with prospects. Farther than Cash will go, so I don’t think we get him. It’s a shame too since Pitt likes Ohlendorf, someone I wouldnt mind trading at all.
Ryan Spillborghs sounds like an interesting idea, though. That is more along the lines of the kind of deal I think Cash will make. COL supposedly was scouting Humberto Sanchez, maybe it’s not for Fuentes…hope not cause I dont want him.
Hector I believe he did have previous experience if I recall he was Girardi’s 3rd base coach in Florida.
Abreu is a better option than Nady or Spillsborough right now
Man – who does philly have left to trade?
Carrasco, Bastardo, Marson…Gholson ..they have some interesting kids.
good call Gayle, I think you are right, but I guess I felt with the Yankees, Pena knows the players on the Yankees better than Meachu would, just figured he`d give it to Pena
Pedro Martinez’s father passed away
RIP Pedro’s dad, Best wishes to Pedro.
RIP, Pedro’s Dad
Also, Gammons just had some major man love for Mussina.
Carasco is their equivalent of Hughes right? Don’t even bother asking?
It should be interesting whether Bruney makes it up to the big club before the deadline and if that makes other arms expendable.
Can we find a home for LaToya elsewhere and slot Bruney into that role at least to begin with?
TK they aren’t dealing Hughes
Yep – That is what I was saying!
Phillies aren’t trading Carasco either right?
IDK what thier GM plans to do, the Pittsburgh Gazzette reported he might.. no one knows.
Wouldn’t Burnett be a type A free agent if he opts out of his contract?
So much goes on that we haven’t a clue about.
Before even getting seriously about talking to Toronto about AJ, Cash has to be thinking about his chances of retaining him longterm. Why give up players who could potentially useful in the longterm, otherwise? So I would wonder if Cash has had back channel discussions with AJ’s agent (is that Boras?) to sort through those issues. If they could hold onto him for next year, then maybe make a real play for him. Given that Ricciardi said out loud earlier this season (or was it last?) that he thinks AJ is a malingerer (and that’s another issue to be checked out), they probably don’t have a lot of respect for each other.
I’ll tell you one thing, though – Burnett can be as dominating as anyone in baseball. I wouldn’t mind seeing him pitching for my team.
If only we knew what goes on behind those closed doors….
I really extremely doubt that Burnett is getting dealt in the same division.
I think the Phillies are a lot more likely to trade Carrasco than we are to trade Hughes in the end. Their future is a lot more uncertain and this may be their best chance to win it all for a while. That is why we won’t get Nady and Cash will have to get creative. I look forward to seeing what he comes up with! But a starter and at least a bench bat are practically a must. I still havent completely abandoned the idea of Casey Blake, any trade news on him?
Why would Cash waste money on Burnett he can’t even stay healthy ?
BBB remember they also have Victorino and Werth
Arthur Rhodes? Are you people insane? The man has given up one huge home run after another in a big spot, especially to us.
BBB – good points –
The Mets are apparently interested in Casey Blake for OF/1B (even though has hasn’t played OF this year).
I think we need a bat more than rotation help. Call me stupid, but I think there is enough in the system to patch things together between (gulp) Phil, AAA and AA guys and then CMW.
I hope he’s drinking his milk (or whatever you drink to build up your lis franc.)
“I really extremely doubt that Burnett is getting dealt in the same division.”
Brandon-
I am glad you changed your tune about trading within the division. During the off season you were pining for Kazmir & Bedard.
Ahahahahahahahaha
Baltimore and Toronto game was suspended.
“Arthur Rhodes? Are you people insane? The man has given up one huge home run after another in a big spot, especially to us.”
Exactly, we should be praying he goes to Boston or Tampa.
Buddy Biancalana I thought Borass would become a huge factor and we could have netted him, it takes awhile to learn what goes on in the league, better late than never ?
Exactly, we should be praying he goes to Boston or Tampa.
I got my candle and beeds we can all pray
How do feel about the Marcus Williams deal?
For a 1st rd. pick that deal sucks, they basically took Marcus at a low value and traded him at an even lower, he must have done something to piss them off internally for that to happen, watch that kid find his game in Golden State, if I know one thing it’s Don Nelson brings out the offensive stud in you.
Rhodes in the sox bullpen would be a dream come true. Given the garbage in his pen, Theo might just be desperate enough to give him a shot this year.
I think we should stand pat with what we have in the pen and work on a deal for Jason Bay. If it ain’t broke….
At what point do I start rooting for CC Sabathia to suck so his price tag is below Johan’s?
Buddy: Sure, why the heck not?
Brilliant move by Milwaukee to get CC as a rental. He’s mowing down the NL.
Rebecca-
You find a pad in NYC yet?
Buddy: Yep. Move in next month. It’s in the Bronx…a little far from the D train which is annoying for those Yankees games, but I can manage
A very rare situation for Sabathia is possible, this year. He could possibly lead each league in complete game shutouts this year. He has 2 in the AL and now, 1 in the NL. 2 leads each league.
Gosh Seattle blows. Who cares about running stats Pete were the New York Yankees. 3 run home-runs are what really matters! Manny is such a non-gamer he told reporters he was day to day when asked if he would play Fri good now Joba can just walk Shrek and pitch to Lowell or whatever other turd is batting clean-up.
CC in the NL is like sending Joba to pitch to 5th graders.
Nice Rebecca!
Just curious, what are the rents like in da Bronx?
Do you guys realize in Austin Jackson’s last 10 games he’s batting .556
DAMN
Buddy- I dont live there but my cousin does he pays $550 for a studio which for NY isnt terrible. I’d say a 1bedroom could run you a thousand bucks a month and up.
“Brandon (R.I.P. Pablo Martinez) (Johan HR count: *17)
July 23rd, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Do you guys realize in Austin Jackson’s last 10 games he’s batting .556 DAMN”
I do know that. Unfortunately hes at the very best a year away and that frustrates me. Brandon I know you are a Tabata guy but I like Ajax alot more.
I do know that. Unfortunately hes at the very best a year away and that frustrates me. Brandon I know you are a Tabata guy but I like Ajax alot more.
I wouldn’t deal either one.
Buddy: $1500 for 2 br.
Brandon: O_O;;; kid on fire much? think he sees some AAA action before the end of the year?
Thanks guys. I used to live in Brooklyn about 7 years ago & paid $625 for a studio.
Brandon- I agree but I would put Tabata in if he was the centerpiece of a big deal.
Why can’t they just bring up AJAX now? They used to play in MLB when they were like 16 in the old days. Compared to them he’s ancient. Bring him up!
How awesome does CC look in the NL. So good taht he might decide to stay there and join camp Torre out in lalaland.
D Fox- He has to see AAA pitching before he can be called up. I like the kid and dont want to see him embarassed.
Miss you Larry Bowa.
Brandon: O_O;;; kid on fire much? think he sees some AAA action before the end of the year?
Definitely.
Why can’t they just bring up AJAX now?
You see what it did to Melky ?
Brandon- I agree but I would put Tabata in if he was the centerpiece of a big deal.
Unless the name on the other side is Neftali Feliz, Josh Hamilton or Cameron Maybin uhhhh no.
“D Fox- He has to see AAA pitching before he can be called up. I like the kid and dont want to see him embarassed.”
Oh come on, if you’re good you’re good. Put him in AAA for a week and tell him it’s show time. A-Rod came up when he was 18.
Miss you Larry Bowa.
They are around same % this year. You also need to factor these Yankees couldn’t hit w/ RISP so the plan to be aggressive was needed.
Dfox- How many players in the game are on Arods level I can count them on one hand.
“Dfox- How many players in the game are on Arods level I can count them on one hand.”
Wait, hold up. I thought AJAX is supposed to be better than Melky. Melky came up when he was 21… So are you telling me he’s not on Melky’s level?
DFox: Austin Jackson is good. He is not A-Rod.
It’s like the difference between the thunderstorm outside being inconvenient and Hurricane Katrina.
Al from BK I understand what DFox means I mean it wasn’t that long ago Austin was a golden propect, remember I think he’s been scouted since he was 14 a natural golden child in the art of hitting, his problem was basketball or baseball and so far eversince he’s committed 100 % to baseball he’s taken off w. a little help from Mr. October telling him don’t ever let a fastball pass you and helping him w/ his loading at the plate. The promblem DFox needs to understand is you can’t rush him, he needs the developement otherwise his value goes down and he may skip things that will make him a stronger player at the ML level.
Last year they flirted in bringing him up to AAA during the playoffs, he got a double in his AAA debut and made an outstanding catch in the OF was sent back down to AA and was key in Trenton winning a championship. He right now is on cruise control we need to let it come to him gradually but he is making his statement at 21.
Brandon- Think Ajax could be a Sept. call up?
funny video of Joba playing guitar hero with his friend. not sure if its been posted already but here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0WiZpj4WYU
got it from this interview he did with SI extra mustard
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
Brandon- Think Ajax could be a Sept. call up?
Well I’ll never say never but I’d say it’s 45 % right now that he will be called up for a cup of coffee. Two things need to happen for that to happen either we’re done or we have an 8-10 game lead in the AL East.
http://blogs.trb.com/sports/ba....._watc.html
Yanks signed Kyle H.
Yanks are going to have an 8-10 game lead in the AL East? Wow, how long was my flight? I must have really slept…
I saw that Phil H. Kyle Higashioka is a big signing, he’s one of the best H.S. catching prospects in the from the MLB 2008 draft. The Yankees have now built more depth in future catching possibilities.
Aren’t September callups usually cups of coffee? AA and AAA playoffs over, etc.?
I’d love to see him get a shot at ML pitching if the Yankees are in good shape.
I have a trade proposal…
Alberto Gonzalez to the Dodgers for Larry Bowa.
Haven’t people learn from Hughes,Wright and Kennedy about rushing players.
Doesn’t Larry Bowa work for the Mariners?
MoBoy, how do you know that Hughes’ injury was related to being ‘rushed’?
Nick from San Fran….How did you hit em today in Charlotte
No golf today, just travel. I’m hoping to play tomorrow, weather permitting. I’ll probably hit ‘em badly, I’m not very good. But I have fun.
Yhat’s all that really counts now a days….
Returning to baserunning, what can people expect if some of our top OBP people are Giambi and Matsui and we have slow guys like Posada in the lineup?
I have mixed feelings on dealing Abreu — sometimes he’s invisible out there, but he’s had some huge hits as well.
And Larry Bowa has 13 too … how many years they have been the 3rd base coach for the team would be interesting too since it may be a matter of knowing your runners.
Meacham 13…Bowa 13….Gimme a break…
I am now dumber for reading this.
stats like these turn me off from stats….
sayin’
The only numbers I care about are in the win-loss record and how many games back from first
The only thing I can say from this is that the coaching staff has certainly made some mistakes and this needs to be corrected, immediately. When the team is only getting a few runners on per game those runs need to score and making base running mistakes would explain a lot of things.