Game 101: Twins at Yankees
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YANKEES (55-45)
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Sexson 1B
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Molina C
Christian LF
Mussina RHP
Mike Mussina (12-6, 3.49) vs. the Minnesota hitters.
Glen Perkins (7-2, 3.84) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: Thanks to Brian Heyman for calling in the lineup. … The Yankees are trying for their third straight series sweep at home. They have won nine straight games at the Stadium. … Yankees have won five straight and 10 out of 13 overall. … The Yanks are 19 of 56 (.339) with RISP since the break. … Cano is 12 of his last 23 with seven RBI and is at .366 (24 of 67) this month. … A-Rod is 15 for 16 on SBs this season. … The bullpen has a 1.60 ERA since the second game of the June 27 Mets doubleheader.
MINNESOTA MOOSE: Mike Mussina is 21-6, 3.18 against the Twins in his career. He beat the Twins back on May 30, allowing two ER in six innings. Moose has beaten the Twins more than any other team he has faced except for the Blue Jays.
WE MEET AGAIN: Mussina beat Perkins in that May 30. The lefty allowed five runs on 10 hits in four innings with two walks and no strikeouts. Perkins is 3-0, 2.42 in his last four starts, however. He shut Texas out for six innings on Friday. Perkins will be pitching at Yankee Stadium for the first time.
* * * * * * * * * * JORGE POSADA UPDATE, 11:26 a.m. * * * * * * * * *
Jorge Posada stepped up with the information. The MRI showed that his labrum is worse and that he has capsule damage. He will need surgery and a six-month rehab. However … he will try rehabbing for the next two weeks and consider trying to return as a DH and first baseman.
Posada said the Yankees are willing to have him play again this season even if it means missing part of next season. But if he comes back this season, he won’t catch.
“Catching is out of the question,” he said.
It seems curious to me that they would not want Posada ready to start next season, especially given how ineffective he was as a hitter. Obviously the injury has hampered his ability at the plate. But we’ll see what happens in a few weeks.
UPDATE, 1:07 p.m.: The decision to delay surgery for Jorge Posada is being driven, at least partly, by team president Randy Levine according to several people close to the situation. He thinks the Yankees need to get some return on the money they spent on Posada.
Why Levine would get involved in baseball and medical decisions isn’t certain, but he has that right as team president. That could explain why the Yankees were being so reticent to give information out.
Posada also revealed that he called Joe Torre to ask for advice. Obviously he wants the opinion of somebody outside the organization. Posada is not the kind of guy who would mindlessly do what the team asks. He’ll try and do what is right.
For now, Posada will try and rehab without throwing and come back as a hitter. But understand this: Once he has surgery, he will need six months to rehab. So every day that they delay surgery is another day that takes away from Posada being ready for spring training and the 2009 season.
UPDATE, 1:33 p.m.: What’s with all the first-pitch swinging? The Yankees seem eager to start their day off. Or maybe beat the rain.
UPDATE, 2:05 p.m.: Just spoke to Brian Cashman, who said the decision on Posada involves everybody from the trainers on up to ownership. He feels that Posada would fill a need the team has now “better than anything I can get in a trade” so he wants to see whether rehab is possible.
“We’ll have a tough decision to make in 13 days,” he said. “We’ll just have to see where he is.”
UPDATE, 2:09 p.m.: Meanwhile, back at the baseball, why do the Yankees insist on stealing bases with A-Rod up? Abreu is now 13 of 20. That is not good enough to continue the risk, not with Alex at the plate. With the lineup the Yankees have, outs have the greatest value. The Yankees have become carelessly aggressive on the bases.
UPDATE, 2:19 p.m.: Huge mental error there by Twins 2B Alexi Casilla. He thought there was one out when he forced Cabrera at second. Minnesota had an easy double play with Molina running. It would have ended the inning.
Then Christian comes up and drives in two runs. With rain on the way, that could be a huge play.
UPDATE, 2:30 p.m.: Giambi makes that play … mainly because he plays about a foot off the bag.
UPDATE, 2:31 p.m.: Imagine if I (or anybody else) wrote in spring training that Mike Mussina would clearly be the most consistent and successful starter this season? He has a 3.32 ERA at the moment.
Three
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three
two
Nobody, even Mussina, throught this was possible. He’s the comeback player of the year.
UPDATE, 2:46 p.m.: Say what you want about Richie Sexson but he’s been helpful so far and he’s a heck of a lot better at first base than Wilson Betemit late in a game. For $161,000, what harm is it? He’s certainly more helpful than Billy Traber.
Meanwhile, the offense must keeps motoring along.
UPDATE, 2:56 p.m.: Mooooooooooooooose!
Meanwhile, if the Yankees are going to insist on playing God Bless America every day, can they at least find another version? Kate Smith died 22 years ago.
Why not have the moment of silence for the troops before the National Anthem every day and save God Bless America for Sundays?
UPDATE, 3:12 p.m.: The Moose comes back out for the 8th inning.
UPDATE, 3:16 p.m.: Moose is finished for the day. His ERA is down to 3.26. Another brilliant performance. Where would the Yankees be without him?
UPDATE, 3:36 p.m.: This a total waste of bullets for Mariano. Either leave Moose in or bring in a pitcher who can get some outs like Robertson or Giese.
This could be it for Hawkins. Might as well bring Bruney back now.
UPDATE, 3:39 p.m.: Not exactly the greatest save ever, but Mo will take it. That’s six straight for the pinstripes and 11 games over.
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Sam Borden
Josh Thomson
People are gonna go crazy.
did I miss something ? is this a day game today ?
Cabrera CF
Molina C
Christian LF
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what is the over/under on total hits from these 3 today…like 2 ???
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LOL
WHEN we scratch out a win today, we’ll pick up a game in the loss column on both CHOKERS that are temporarily ahead of us in the AL East…..mark my words….
christins better then gardner
Dom Vito u didnt even kno there was a game today, how?
right now Christian might be better than Gardner, besides the LH SP today throws 93-95 mph, nice adhhustment I pray for a Sexy afternoon
rock on……lets win 3
adjustment *
I thought Glen Perkins played for the Celtics?
If Cano can pull it off, I will become a true believer in the old adage about the back of the baseball card.
I didn’t realize it was a *day* game….I am up to my ears in work..
Cano is better than Holliday from this point on in the season.
Also, I picked up Cano in my fantasy league.
Man, I wish Damon could play the field. Gotta get the Big G in there.
This kid’s been hittable, but doesn’t walk a lot of guys. Recipe for Yankee disaster.
Nice to see Felix Hernandez on the hill for Seattle today. That at least gives them a chance.
Need to get Damon in the field ASAP….
that will help alot… he can’t throw normally how much worse can he be now???
If he is in the field DH Giambino today. Lineup is much better
According to Troy E. Renck of the Denver Post, the Rockies have asked various teams for the following players for closer Brian Fuentes: Wade Davis, Ian Kennedy, Clay Buchholz, and Jon Niese. Tracy Ringolsby says no concrete offers have been made for Fuentes yet.
CoolStandings.com is projecting the Yankees have a 32% chance at making the playoffs. They’re also projecting the Red Sox will end up in first place and have three more wins than the Rays. Interesting…
A tale of 2 seasons:
2007 Yankees:
5.98 RS/game
4.79 RA/game
2008 Yankees:
4.69 RS/game
4.23 RA/game
Canò was awesome last night. Each time he came up with someone on second, it was a solid single…
Not counting those chickens yet, but IF it happens it will be satisfying. It won’t top last year’s amazing run to almost end up with the best record in baseball. (Only 2 GB of Sox & Indians). But it would be satisfying on another level because of all the disappointing performances and key injuries to Wang (Forgotten Ace), Matsui, and Jorge.
Hey “douche”
Please pick a different name to post under. I’m trying to keep it clean here.
Thanks.
Hey guys,
Going to the Mets game tonight— Does Shea allow backpacks? I’m coming from work and I remember security @ Yankee Stadium did not allow me in with it.
I know Shea is more easy-going when it comes to bags, but I want to make sure…
Sweep!!!!!!
Fuentes for Buchholz?
hopefully, the commisioner will approve.
“Nice to see Felix Hernandez on the hill for Seattle today. That at least gives them a chance.”
Guess they “found a place for him” in their rotation…
vinny-b,
lol. That’s what the Rockies are asking, not what they’re getting.
“Hey guys,
Going to the Mets game tonight”
Sorry to hear that. Better luck next time.
Peter, you are a riot. Calling the man by his chosen name, “douche”, then telling HIM that YOU are trying to keep it clean ? You really need your own radio show, friend !
vinny, is that a true rumor that the sox would trade buchholz for fuentes?
Hey Pete, Safe to assume Bernie declined an invitation to the Old Timers’ game, or was he not extended one?
Would be a good year to have Bernie Williams day and retire #51…
Why no Paul O’Neil either? He played in last year’s, didn’t he?
The asking price is Buchholz. I don’t see that happening.
Fuentes for Buchholz?
please get that finalized
Totally agree Rebecca – seems like pitches look like a beach ball to him
btw – if the Mariners want to include Vidro in the deal for Washburn I would pass. That guy is a STIFF.
Boy, do the Yankees need a bench. Gardner/Christian ain’t cutting it.
Chris NY
Guess they “found a place for him†in their rotation…
you are thinking of Liriano – Hernandez has been in the Mariners rotation
IDK – Buckholz in the hometown of MicroSoft? Will any laptops be safe?
cleaner name can be done pete. i’m just saying, I think that now will be around the time we’ll start hearing a change in tune from the “rebuilding” crap to the “playoffs” hopes. I just think its funny how quick people are to jump ship, singleton on YES the other day was saying, after the all star break, things change fast. It’s one thing for the rays to be real good early, but the veterans/real teams know that its the second half where things really start to kick in. we do what we need to do and things will take care of themselves. we sweep oakland, now tampa is struggling with them. win tonight, then go to boston, say we take 2/3 there.. things are mighty different.
im actually excited about this game. if we can win.. thats a good head of steam we have going into the weekend.
i like the christian move over gardner. i think this kid is going to have a nice day and put brett on the bench for awhile.
Peter Rabbit – she allows backpacks. They will search your backpack and as long as you don’t have any explosives or shark objects you should be fine
“Boy, do the Yankees need a bench. Gardner/Christian ain’t cutting it.”
Most bench players aren’t very good. That’s why they’re on the bench.
“vinny, is that a true rumor that the sox would trade buchholz for fuentes?”
That is false. I believe Fuentes was offered for Bucholz but the sox aren’t stupid.
Christian being righty gives him the start with a lefty pitcher. I wouldn’t read too much into it.
The Big Sexy is going yard twice today…in very sexy fashion.
Thanks, CMW. I thought I might have had the wrong guy as I typed it but couldn’t remember who else it would be….
and hey now molina did go 2 for 3 last game he started, maybe once he realized posada was out for good he realized he needs to start swinging with his eyes open.
yes. Fuentes for Buchholz is the reported asking price.
I was being optomistic.
Thanks Russell! Love going to Mets games with there’s no Yankees game on!
I love day games during the week. Who needs to blog at work when you can watch the game at work.
a recent report, said we were looking at Lowe.
had a scout, checking him.
dont know if that is good or bad. However, LA is said to want a bat. It is prolly moot.
Does anyone know how the weather is at the stadium? I have 2 tickets for the game today, but I really dont want to have to trek from Queens just to sit in the stadium and to waste my entire day there. Ive checked weather.com and i see rain at 1pm and it doesnt stop still tomorrow. Anyone know if the tarp is on the field and what are the possibilities of getting this game in today?
There’s a huge weather system west of NY which looks like it might be arriving in the NY city area by gametime. Pete hasn’t mentioned the weather. Anybody hearing any concerns about today’s game being rained out?
“Thanks Russell! Love going to Mets games with there’s no Yankees game on!”
Yea, my girlfriend drags me to a bunch of Mets games. But I don’t go without a fight
jk. I am going this Friday when they play the Cardinals at Shea.
wonderful.
today’s day game doesn’t make much sense with tomorrow off…
As for Cano and him proving even more to be a 2nd half guy, do you think it would make sense to have him play for the DR team in the 2009 World Baseball Classic? I think it got Jeter going early in 2007 and he did pretty well that year.
not for nothing, but at least yankees fans can feel good in knowing Ian Kennedy is being asked for in the same breath as Clay Buchholtz, being as though they are each the starting asking price for Brian Fuentes.
so while Ian Kennedy’s perceived value has slipped in the eyes of us yankees fans, perhaps other organizations, such as the Rockies, still see the potential for him to achieve success at the same level as Buchholtz still.
why is it that everytime the yankees go on a roll the rain comes…its happened so many times in recent years…the yankees have all the momentum…and then comes the rain and washes it all away.
Turn 2…are you from Staten Island?
“today’s day game doesn’t make much sense with tomorrow off… ”
but do the Twins have off?
“Turn 2…are you from Staten Island?”
thankfully, no.
Fuentes for Kennedy ? Do it before the Rockies get a better offer. An absolute no brainer.
yankees will sweep today!
unless the yankees bat will go to sleep because our cy young (not really but almost) will give us a chance!
who cares about the twins schedule? nobody seems to care about the yankee schedule
saucY –
I think this past off-season was the first time Cano didn’t play winter ball, but the funny thing is that he was RAKING in Spring training and then when he hit NYC he disappeared.
Maybe he just can’t hit in cold weather – who knows?
Id even throw in Kennedy’s wife Alison whatever in the deal…she has a wicked J
twins do have tomorrow off
Frankie –
If they have been offered Buckholz (doubtful) then they already have a better offer.
yes, the twins have off tomorrow. so if the game gets rained out, they play tomorrow. But, the yankees would not be getting an off day until august 14th. Something like 21, 22 games in a row. I think they are going to try to get this game in, but the weather is not promising.
Turn two …
The Twins have Thursday off. The only game of significance to the Yankees is the Rays at K.C.
everyone that I know from SI says “not for nothing” thats why I asked.
Frankie, that isn’t a good trade. Can I remind people how amazing the bullpen has been lately? There’s no need, in my opinion, to trade for Fuentes or Marte. Focus on starting pitcher. Washburn is a good piece to pickup, but if we’re going to trade Kennedy, at least get a good outfielder.
There was rumors that either Pittsburgh or Colorado was interested in Ohlendorf.. personally, I’d rather trade him.
don’t sleep on the sweep?
i don’t know. cold weather may explain april and may, but his june’s don’t seem like they’ve been all that great. did we have a cold june? it’s all a blur to me at this point.
if anyone cares to see what the twins thinking was and why they are the ones with so many young pitchers doing well, check out this article.
http://www.twincities.com/ci_9.....ost_viewed
“In their past 18 games, Twins starting pitchers are 12-2 with a 2.82 earned-run average over 118 innings, perhaps the best in the major leagues. General manager Bill Smith credits veteran Livan Hernandez, 33, with having a significant influence on fellow starters Scott Baker, 26; Nick Blackburn, 26; Kevin Slowey, 24; and Glen Perkins, 25.
“We thought getting Livan here would be a big plus because of the experience he brings,†Smith said Thursday. “He’s been through more on and off the field in his life, as a Cuban defector and all that; he’s been through the World Series; and in 10 years he’s never been on the disabled list.â€
the twins are 14-7 when he pitches.
raymagnetic-
you continue since the spring to predict against livan’s and the twins success. you might want to use another statistical paradigm to predict winning baseball. the one you have right now doesn’t seem to predict winning very well.
Buckholtz is a much better pospect then Kennedy in my opinion. Not even close.. Hughes now that is a whole nother issue.
Boston is not trading Buckholtz for a 2 month rental unless the yare morons…
again colorado and Pitts. gms. tend to be delusional on the value of there players…
War, D-Rob and Vera make Stephendorf very expendable these days. Id def include him in any deal the yankees make.
cody the BP has been really really good, BUT, we still don’t have a left specialist. imagine our BP as good as it is being even better with a lefty specialist like fuentes.
Fools Washburn SUCKS and is not worth a bag of balls he makes $10+ next yr.
everyone say this out loud”NO THANK YOU”
Yeah washburn may be better then Rasner, barely. he is 5 yrs older, makes about $9 mill more for what????
I’m glad to see the Big Sexy in there getting a start. I’d like to see him hit some dingers.
Are we done with the Twins for the year after this game? If we are, then I am going to join randy on the Livan Hernandez bandwagon – it seems like a fun place to be!
(and the catering must be spectacular!!!)
they should use Borats voice announce the big sexy when he comes to the plate “Its Sexy Time”.
that would be badass
man i just was on the weather.com and it does not look like there is a game today..i hope we do have a game..
to clarify: Boston did not offer Buchholtz for Fuentes.
by the way. I was suspect of Kennedy, dating back to last season. However, you really cannot trade Kennedy for Fuentes. The bullpen have been stable, until now. And Fuentes will be a FA. Kennedy for 2 months of Fuentes. Pass.
Boston playing a day game thats not fair…
why do the yankees need a lefty specialist when they have good pitchers who get out both righties and lefties. Mike Mtyers was a lefty specialist and he sucked at getting lefties out….if it aint broke…..
Stuart,
you are 100% right. Washburn is improvement to Rasner, but they probably could do better then rasner this year internally.
plus, where does rasner fit for next year. assuming you start with wang, joba, moose, and andy. that leaves the 5th spot for hughes, kennedy, aceves, or fa signing.
They should be looking for OF bat or nothing at all.
Randy,
Don’t be stupid. The GM of the Twins has also come out and said he would rather have a ‘pitcher with a 7 era thats 16-8 more than a pitcher who was 8-12 with a 2.00 era’
The Twins are retarded, and if our young pitchers cannot learn from Wang, Moose, and Pettitte they are lost.
Did the twins coach point to Livan and say, ‘Look kids, this guy is gonna give up 300 hits this year and have an ERA well north of 5, don’t do what he does! Learn by NOT example.’
rasner or washburn for next year, my bad
Randy,
So I guess Livan sprinkled magic dust on the Twins young starters and suddenly made them pitch better? That makes absolute sense to me. You would think that the Yankees 3 Veteran pitchers that the Yankees started with in April, who are all better than Livan would have had 3 times as much influence on Kennedy and Hughes no? The Yankees also had 3 times as many veteran pitchers on the staff but let’s just ignore that fact as well.
Seems like the wisdom of the elders have done wonders for Joba however.
Randy I know if it were up to you the Yankees would have had 5 innings eating pitchers with ERA’s over 5. Fortunately for the rest of the fans they didn’t.
i would trade kennedy for marte.
i would trade kennedy for marte.
Pitt. wouldn’t
still don’t see a need for a loogy in the pen this year, especially Fuentes, who is nothing but a rental. Marte at least has a team option for next season. (I also think he’s a better pitcher)
tk in dc
and the best part is as long as you keep it humorous nick in sf will provide comedy relief for the bandwagon. i’m pretty sure he’s a closet livan fan.
nick is right though that livan would be no good in long relief for the yankees because he would have trouble through the bullpen door.
plus ponson and livan might wipe out the locker room to be first to get to the after game spread.
words of advice:
once on the livan bandwagon, lay low on road games, and always have the excuse your internet connection isn’t working properly when he pitches against goodhitting teams like the red sox. there are times when you will want to be unavailable.
Fuentes isn’t a loogy – he’s a closer –
But I have come around to believe we have more pressing needs – like a RHB or a back of the rotation starter.
FAN is saying Posada is going to delay surgery and try to rehab the shoulder – doesn’t seem like a good idea to me. I would want him to bite the bullet so he doesn’t miss time at the start of next season.
Pitt likes Ohlendorf
So the story I just read (probably from the AP – it was on SI’s site) was saying that talks revolve around who the yanks would trade for washburn and who else they would have to take along with him. Igawa was the name mentioned going, which would be dumb because it would eliminate the cost savings from Washburn for them. But then it suggests the Mariners may insist that Jose Vidro be included.
I looked on the lo-hud salary thing and it says Vidro is making 8.5ish this year and then notes a “2009 buyout”. Anyone know the terms of that buyout? If they take Igawa and all we have to deal with in addition to Washburn is the remainder of 8.5 mil. and then like a 3 mil. buyout, I would probably do that. Washburn’s numbers are good for the last two months.
kennedy value is really low not going to get much for him
Fuentes could be the next gange
Re: Pete’s update on Jorge, above –
On the face of it, I don’t think it makes much sense to try rehabbing, given what we’ve seen with R&R so far. Surgery now would seem the reasonable thing to do, based on what we fans read. I wonder how much of this latest try at rehab is due to Jorge wanting to play, similar to Matsui. Personally, I’d rather he just have the surgery now, and get ready for next year. I’m not optimistic that he can contribute this season.
Hey Peter wouldn’t he effectively be keeping it clean with his name alone?
Pitt likes Ohlendorf
yes. And prolly 2 other prospects, in any deal.
IDK, the thought of getting Washburn doesn’t excite me. I think the Yankees will either have this move be a Wash or a Burn. So why do it?
he is only saying that now….come august 1, he will be under the knife. yanks are telling him to say he can return to lessen the over the barrel impact of needing another bat.
Igawa is $6M cheaper than Washburn per year. It wouldn’t wash out the savings.
Pete, thanks for the Jorge news.
I’m completely perplexed about the plan to potentially DH/1B Jorge. He’s been swinging and missing a ton lately. He needs rest, and surgery asap…it’s not worth jeopardizing next season. We thought we signed a $52mill all-star catcher for 3 out of the 4 years, and then DH/1B for the 4th year, not an ok DH for 4 years.
declines…
Yeah, that could be.
Yeah but Igawa is under contract for an extra year.
“Randy I know if it were up to you the Yankees would have had 5 innings eating pitchers with ERA’s over 5. Fortunately for the rest of the fans they didn”
i would have went with wang( with his mentor neil allen as bullpen coach for tune ups), pettitte, mussina on a short leash, and hernandez as the fourth starter.
for the fifth starter i would have started an older young player like rasner for the first month of the season until the weather warmed up. then i would have brought up as needed either hughes or kennedy depending on how they were doing.
joba was fine in the role he was in. the only difference is that i would have sent him to triple a for three stretching out starts.
and right now the yankees with hernandez’s +7 winning differential would be in first place by about 3-4 games.
and cashman wouldn’t be looking to get washburn for 15 million to save his job.
I would not make too much of the Old Timers Day press release and the names listed or NOT listed. Yopgi’s name wasnt even on there and you know he will be there.
I think it will be a very very special day with lots of suprises to be had.
Joe from LI:
Agree 100% on Posada. While I appreciate that he’d like to make a run at it, the surgery seems inevitable. Why not get it over with and be good to go next season? Further, does it not appear that to at least some degree, that the injury may not be doing his offense any favors??
I believe he’s earned the right to decide when he goes for surgery, but his decision seems motivated more by competitive drive than it does common sense and good of the organization.
just get the surgery and be done with it
“I wonder how much of this latest try at rehab is due to Jorge wanting to play, similar to Matsui.”
Joe, I agree with you Jorge should just get surgery now. The big difference between Jorge’s and Matsui’s surgery is that Matsui will need just 3 months rest after surgery as reported in the off season and still recover in time to come back for spring training next year, whereas Jorge’s surgery takes a lot more recovery time so he needs to get it now or miss beginning of 2009.
Does anybody think Rasner’s arm just got a bit tired toward the end of the first half? Any type of statistic indicate he can’t pitch for the long hall or does better with long rest?
Livan Hernandez sucks get over it
“Don’t be stupid. The GM of the Twins has also come out and said he would rather have a ‘pitcher with a 7 era thats 16-8 more than a pitcher who was 8-12 with a 2.00 era’
The Twins are retarded,”
jerkface-
does that mean you don’t want me to reserve space on the livan bandwagon for you?
“Igawa is $6M cheaper than Washburn per year. It wouldn’t wash out the savings.”
Dead weight is dead weight, TK. Whether it’s around for 1.5 years or 3.5 years, it’s still an anchor. I’d think Seattle would be more inclined to let him go for minor league roster filler. Doesn’t make much sense othwerwise. Igawa offers them nothing and costs $14M. Roster filler offers them nothing but costs nothing.
there is no way Po is not getting surgery this year….why would the yankees announce that they will not have another bat a week before the trade deadline. Its just a ploy.
“and right now the yankees with hernandez’s +7 winning differential would be in first place by about 3-4 games.
and cashman wouldn’t be looking to get washburn for 15 million to save his job.”
Livan Hernandez has an ERA north of 5. The Yankees are averaging 4.6 runs per game (the real reason they aren’t in first place) Livan might have added 1 more win. He more than likely wouldn’t have.
You keep harping on the pitching but the pitching this year has been better than the pitching was last year. The offense has been horrendous this year compared to last year.
You want to find fault with Cashman when the truth his the pitching has been more than fine due to the pitching depth accumulated by Cashman and company.
You like to say very silly things however I notice. You think that Joe Torre hitting influence is why the Yankees have struggled to score runs. Have you noticed however that the Dodgers have one of the worst offenses in the National League? Only San Diego, Washington, and San Fran have been worse.
Thanks for the Jorge news.
I dunno, I think he should just have the surgery.
**shrugs**
Fredo –
Have you not witnessed the stellar performance of the Kei Man at SWB this season? He is merely a diamond in the rough, a jewel waiting to be plucked by the the discriminating GM with a keen eye for talent!!!
A change of scenery, closer to home will reenergize this dynamic talent with dramatic results.
(there is no chance I can get this to the Seattle GM is there?)
pos gonna get surgery. hes got to
This is ridiculous! You can’t tell me an organization, who just gave a guy a 4 year $52 million contract, shouldn’t have a bigger say in the situation. He will do nothing but hurt us by trying to R&R this problem. look at it this way:
Situation A: Posada rehabs the arm. Is available for September, doesn’t catch, only PH’s, DH’s, or plays first. Any which way, he won’t destroy at the plate. So, we give him his shots, realize that he isn’t helping us out, and than decuide surgey is the best option, delaying his comeback until mid-May. If anyone thinks he will come back and catch, you are crazy. Posada R&R and coming back does not help the catching situation, therefore Molina still needs to be our catcher.
Situation B: shuts it down, cuts his losses and gets surgey. He is ready for the ‘09 season.
Sometimes, you need to disregard a players pride and shut him down. This is stupid. High risk, little reward.
“Yopgi’s name wasnt even on there and you know he will be there.”
Yes, but they listed all of the first timer’s to the game, and no Bernie… So, either he declined, wasn’t invited, or maybe, like you said, it will be a surprise thing. I doubt it though, if they were going to do a Bernie Williams Day, they’d be promoting it.
– Obviously the injury has hampered his ability at the plate. But we’ll see what happens in a few weeks.
– A singles-hitting 1st baseman/DH, oh great.
Anyone want to make a bet that come August 3rd Posada will be leaving a hospital after having shoulder surgery….ITS A PLOY, the Yankees would be fools if they announced that he will have season ending surgery a week before the trade deadline. Teams would look to rape the yankees thinking theyre desperate. Smarten up people
JoeyA:
I think you’re right. I’d be a lot more behind Posada’s decision if I thought he could give us customary Posada production, but that seems a little unlikely.
Seriously, Livan Hernandez does have some value in this game, or he would be unemployed. But that value is minimal and hardly worth campaigning about…. He’s mediocre at best. There’s a reason guys get labeled “innings eaters” instead of “good pitchers.”
just read the update on jorge..
i dont think its realistic that they think jorge will rehab and come back this season. I think they are just holding off on putting him under the knife until after the trade deadline. i would imagine it helps them in trade negotiations if they dont have to admit jorge is done for the year.
Del – I thought the same thing, but then again, I see conspiracies everywhere, especially when Cashman is speaking.
Chris I would imagine if they are going to have a bernie Williams day it will not be at Old Timers Day they would want him to have his own day and have it not be surrounded with everything else that goes on at Old Timers Day.
Again I love Bernie and all but it is my understanding that the Yankees have reached out to him many times in the past and that it may be he who has issues on how his final year was handled or not handled. he needs to get over it IMO.great Yankee but come one he had a chance to come to spring training, he decided not to and in the end he has not [played since.
thanks for the update pete!
why dont the yankees shut him down make the surgery get reaedy to be 100% next year, because he him self addmitted that his hitting is not the same because of the tare. We have enough DH/1B on our roster. If he does come back this season we wont get production this season AND next season from him.
Posada just needs to shut it down and get the surgery. Who wants him playing 1B or DHing anyway? He’s got no power because of the injury, and we have enough DHs and 1B already, and better fielding ones at that.
Just go get better for next year, Jorge.
I would just like to say the How Well Do You KNow Your teamate segemnts with Mo and Jorge on Yankees on Deck is pure genius
yankeevip
Good point!
the only thing the Yankees can do to downplay Jorge’s injury is play him. His injury is bad enough that they can’t do that right now. Teams aren’t stupid. I’d be shocked if any of them didn’t see right through the, “we’re going forward with Bubba Crosby” approach.
No one is going to believe that the Yankees want to sacrifice next year just to have Jorge’s bat this year when it’s not really Jorge’s bat.
All year, they’ve made decisions with this year a consideration, next year and beyond a focus. They’re not going to change that now and teams know that.
livan hernandez is an innings eater? Ok. Cuz another person, mentioned catering.
Bernie needs to get over himself….he got offered 500k to show up in florida last spring but his pride was hurt,,,,Torre bascially told him if you show up your making the team,,,,he never showed up….as far as Im concerned thats on him…Funny thing really is, he would have played a whole bunch last year…AND THIS YEAR
If his arm’s worse now than it was a couple months ago, maybe Posada should only give DH a shot. Even at 1B he still have to make a few strong throws in a game. He may be able to tough out those throws, but I doubt trusting the accuracy he might have, and he could just do more damage to his shoulder.
I wonder if they might be giving it a shot for a couple weeks not only to see how he can hit if he isn’t playing defense, but also to see if they can find someone to pick up the slack at the plate.
IMO Posada should just go do the surgery now.
I’m thinking that we’re fine at catcher with Molina’s great defense and Moeller backing him up, as long as the rest of the lineup follows a Robbie Cano and starts hitting in the second half.
Curious if anyone knows, with the injuries Posada has, what’s the long term prognosis for him catching again? This year there’s no chance at all of course. Is the start of ‘09 out of the question, the whole ‘09 season or most of it, or is he just done as a catcher for good? It would be great if he could catch again in ‘10 if he could throw normally again. Usually you hear about these things in pitchers, who are pampered and play only every 5th day. Catchers are definitely not pampered and they tend to get a day off about every fifth day.
If there’s no way his arm will ever be up to it again, that’s really too bad. but if that’s the case, I’m sure he’s going to buy a couple new first baseman’s mitts, get them broken in and go to work on his fielding in the spring.
This also makes me wonder if the yanks might be considering or reconsidering their position on Tiexiera when they/Posada thinking of giving the DH idea a shot for a couple weeks.
Good point Gayle, would get overshadowed a little I guess. And I agree on Bernie’s childish reactions…. that’s what makes me wonder if he declined or the Yankees realized it’s just not time yet because he’s still stomping his feet and turning his back to them.
The Yankees are handling the Matsui and Posada situations almost as bad as the Mutts handled Ryan Church’s concussion. Get these guys under the knife now!! Why are they making this so difficult?
christins better then gardner
Thank you for your highly detailed scouting report
(kidding)
It took Yogi a few years to get things back on good ground with the Yankees. Give Bernie some time.
“You keep harping on the pitching but the pitching this year has been better than the pitching was last year. The offense has been horrendous this year compared to last year.”
no , i’m an equal opportunity harper. i harp on the hitting too.
in case you missed it, here’s a related response to you on the subject of hitting.
“So all of the good Yankee hitters suddenly forgot how to hit and get on base because Torre left?â€- raymagnetic
it’s very possible torre emphasized an approach that resulted in a high on base percentage. .
do you think girardi and long know as much about hitting as torre and mattingly?
i don’t.
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Posada is not giving DH/1B a shot at all this season. As others have already stated, IT IS A PLOY. We are not going to announce, 8 days before the deadline, that our switch hitting, middle of the order, C, is going to opt for season ending shoulder surgery. That would just be a stupid move on the Yankees part. We all know he is going to be under the knife very soon, relax.
Most bench players aren’t very good. That’s why they’re on the bench.
That doesn’t mean that the bench can’t be upgraded, which is what the post was referring to.
“Seriously, Livan Hernandez does have some value in this game…”
that’s enough to reserve you a small place on the fast growing livan bandwagon.
watch a few games of his and you’ll be all in.
he did win a playoff game last year you know.
Randy, you will never learn, lol.
Can you take Mussina, and plop him into the Giants rotation from day 1 of the season, and say he’d have the same W-L record? That’s ludicrous.
How about this, for 2008 only, you have two choices, and two choices alone. Livan Hernandez, or Johan Santana. One has a better W-L record than the other, no? It should be a no brainer.
If he’s been a veteran leader for the Twins, excellent. They have a rotation of young starters (granted, Bonser got bounced to the bullpen) and Liriano in AAA.
The Yankees already had Wang, Pettitte, Mussina. They have no need for a 5 ERA starter.
I think the Yankees need another Bat and another starter, leave the bullpen alone. I would like to see more length from the starters, really the only one who goes deep is #46.I think Rasner and Fat Sid have been workmanlinke, you wonder though if they are going to hurt the yankees the longer they go without going long into games….Give Girardi credit though, he has managed the bpen well to this point..Torre would have crammed Hawkins down your throat while ignoring Farnsworth
I think Kennedy is in trouble this time and will not make it past 7-31, I also think a guy I am growing to like, Robertson, may be a chip as well…I think if presented with a reasonable shot at AJ Burnett I would take the chance
On Jorge not gettting the surgery done NOW and trying to “rehab”:
EFFIN’ STUPID!
Ridiculous. JUST GET THE SURGERY DONE NOW.
And man, randy, it’s not like the pen is exhausted and in dire need of an innings eater.
I’m gonna miss the game today I’m at work
. I love watching the yanks when they are playing well too. Ill be making frequent “water breaks” if you know what I mean, to check up on this score on my bb. Seems like all of our walkoffs come in day games. But also it seems our offense struggles badly during day games. Should be interesting. GO YANKS
what they are doing with Posada is going to come back to haunt them…..really silly move !
I think they are just holding off on putting him under the knife until after the trade deadline. i would imagine it helps them in trade negotiations if they dont have to admit jorge is done for the year.
Good point.
Forget this year Jorge, go and have the surgery! Get fixed up and ready by the start of next season. He’s not going to get any better and could make it worse.
“Livan Hernandez has an ERA north of 5. The Yankees are averaging 4.6 runs per game (the real reason they aren’t in first place) Livan might have added 1 more win. He more than likely wouldn’t have.”
no no, you just subtract his wins from his losses and add that onto the Yankees’ win totals.
“do you think girardi and long know as much about hitting as torre and mattingly?
i don’t.”
Maybe not. But the Dodgers are one of the worst offensive teams in MLB. They’re worse than they were last year.
I personally don’t believe coaches have a major effect on hitters, but you do. Please explain to me then why the Dodgers are worse at hitting this year and are one of the worst offensive teams in the Majors.
“We are not going to announce, 8 days before the deadline, that our switch hitting, middle of the order, C, is going to opt for season ending shoulder surgery”
Bravo Sierra! Teams already know the best case scenario is a guy who will struggle a little offensively. Teams will try to hold the Yankees up one way or another. No different than Belichik putting a gunshot victim as “questionable” on the inkury report. Teams know better.
*injury report
“what they are doing with Posada is going to come back to haunt them…..really silly move !”
guys, in 2 weeks Posada is going to have surgery.
there is a trade deadline coming up.
the Yankees are looking for a bat.
if it were up to you guys and Pete, you’d announce to the rest of the league that Posada is not coming back??
brilliant!!!
No question that Jorge is doing what the Yankees asked him to do – WAIT 2 WEEKS BEFORE HAVING SURGERY SO THEY DON’T APPEAR DESPERATE FOR A RIGHT HANDED BAT.
O’Neil will be at and playing in the old-timers game, Michael Kay and Al Leiter discussed it in the booth. I think Leiter may be doing the intros without Bobby there – that will be sad. I’m sure that as many of the old-timers that can make it will be there. The ones that will be missing – other than Bernie won’t be there because they’re working with other teams. (Like Righetti, Mattingly, etc.)
Yogi stayed away for 14 years for perceived wrongs – I hope Bernie doesn’t stay away that long but it is really up to him.
Might as well just call the game and play tomorrow… both teams have the day off. Just play a day game.
Rather do that than have another Pittsburgh situation where we lose Mussina’s start.
Again I think they key line to Pete’s update about Posada is lets see what happens in a few weeks. I cant believe that 2 weeks will make a difference if he is ready for the next season or not and would not be surpised at all if 2 weeks from now it is announced he goes under the knife.
“he did win a playoff game last year you know.”
so did Phil Hughes, yet the Yankees are apparently idiots for penciling him into their rotation.
I, like many othere here, will be extremely upset if the organization allows Posada to put off surgery to become a 1B/DH. That is absolutely ridiculous. Let’s look at a few things here:
1. We already have Giambi, Betemit, Sexson as 1B.
2. We already have Giambi, Betemit, Sexson, Matsui (if he returns), and an outfielder position to rotate through the DH spot.
3. Posada has not been knocking the cover off the ball at all this year. He hit 3 homeruns every month last season (not to mention the numerous doubles) and he only has 3 HR this season. This means his power numbers are down and in addition to that, he doesn’t even look comfortable at the plate at all.
4. If he puts off the surgery we have to worry about the remainder of this season AND next season.
5. Most importantly, in his own words ‘HE IS A CATCHER!’ He just inked a 4 year deal to be our catcher and now he is willing to put off surgery in an effort to be a 1B/DH while simultaneously risking his shoulder even more than it is.
The team has tried everything but surgery…he has already been shut down entirely, already gone through doctors’ examinations, already been practically removed from the C position and is still not getting any better.
I realize he only wants to help his team and we all love that about him. However, given the circumstances, the best way for him to help the team is to get the surgery now and be as ready as ever for next spring.
What’s the weather look like for this game?
Mark it down. Jorge will have surgery August 4. They aren’t going to have him jepordize his career.
The rain should hold off for the game today
I just saw the weather forecast–the rain’s still in central PA so it’s a real good thing we have a day game today!
Looks like Thursday will be a key day for the Yanks. According to Feinsand at the the Daily News meeting of the minds will take place in Tampa with Stein brothers, Cash, Stick, Billy Eppler etc.
Okay, so maybe I’m lying a bit and the weather doesn’t look as promising…they should at least be able to start the game, though.
Jorge on yankees pregame.
He’s thinking about the team.
WARNING:
Have a take. Dont suck.
hmmm/fredo/raymag in simotaniously. The perfect storm. All we’re missing is whozat,cb,sj.
Good read fellas.
I agree on the 2 weeks surgury. They arent going to show their hand before the deadline passes.
Lets talk sweep!!
taking two weeks to think about it.
In the offseason, they’ll surgically switch Joba’s left arm with Posada’s right.
“that’s enough to reserve you a small place on the fast growing livan bandwagon.”
Lol, no it’s not… I’m neither a critic nor a fan of Livan Hernandez. I can acknowledge he has value, but I don’t know enough about him, or care enough about him, to jump on any bandwagon, for or against…….
In the offseason, they’ll surgically switch Joba’s left arm with Posada’s right.
Why Joba ? Take Igawa’s or Pavano’s
“no no, you just subtract his wins from his losses and add that onto the Yankees’ win totals.
”
hmmm-
no that doesn’t work as well for my argument or for measuring the intangibles that livan brings to a team.
for instance from chasing balls all over the field the hitters are really warmed up when they come to bat.
just check out livan’s run support to see if this isn’t true.
arod would be wide awake after a few innings of playing third behind livan.
melky and cano would stay in on nights before livan pitched because they would know they were going to be all over the field the next day.
you just can’t measure all the intangibles livan brings to the table.
As calmer heads prevail….all of this nonsense about Matsui and Posada trying to come back is COMPLETE FABRICATION….The Yankees are lying to make their situation look less desperate for any moves either in the works OR in their plans either before the end of July OR before the end of August. Don’t be surprised that amazingly AFTER the clock strikes midnight on 7/31/08, that BOTH men opt for the surgery ( that is, unless the Yankees think they can pull off ANOTHER move before midnight on 8/31/08,,,which in that case, either or BOTH of the men could MAGICALLY opt for a longer rehab just to make sure they can’t come back this year ) I would expect, though, with the severity of Jorge’s injury, that they can only LIE to everybody for about another 10 days max,,,,because they are really not so STUPID as to put the Opening of 2009 for him in Jeopardy, just to USE his “supposed” hope to come back this year as a bargaining tool. IMHO.
This to me sounds to be the opinion of Posada, who really needs to consider what is best for the long term interests of the team, not himself.
Similar to remarks by him a few weeks back that he was not a DH or a first baseman, he was a catcher, although everyone knew himself included he couldn’t throw out a baserunner on a bunted ball dropped in front of the plate. There is no doubt in my mind Molina is a better defensive catcher than Posada.
I remember when Yogi Berra went into the outfield to allow Elston Howard to catch for the good of the team. Howard then won the GG and MVP in 1963.
IMO someone needs to put a foot in Posada’s rump and tell him to get the surgery done. Now.
I think they should just place a bionic arm on Posada. One with a 3 year warranty or our money back.
I think Jorge would rather retire than take anything from Igawa or Pavano, Brandon.
I really hope that this is just a mind game type of deal now that we’re nearing the trade deadline. Otherwise I am simply baffled that the Yankees wouldn’t want to get Jorge his surgery so that he can start rehabbing immediately and be ready with something to prove at the start of ‘09.
Jennifer
If Posada was thinking about the team, he’d have the surgery as soon as possible to be available in 2009.
Have any of you read the washburn rumors on SI.com? It appears Igawa for Washburn is the proposed move, their salaries will counter balance eachother and be a wash. The sticking point is the fact that the M’s want the Yankees to take Vidro.
I wouldnt mind Washburn he is a solid pitcher who has dealt with pressure games before. I just dont want vidro he is washed up and done. I wouldnt take him for the Trenton Thunder.
Your Thoughts?
He wants to help the team this year. I guess they think we have a shot.
I know what Molina’s done this year pales in terms of value to what Mike Mussina has done, but you’ve got to consider Molina as having at least a little increasedd his value.
“In the offseason, they’ll surgically switch Joba’s left arm with Posada’s right.”
Would that make Joba a switch pitcher? Cool.
chris ny-
you have been drafted.
the livan bandwagon needs filling and even the slightest praise shows you have it in you . just like nick in sf and tc in dc.
don’t fight it, it’ll only make it worse.
Matt: Maybe with some luck the Yankees can find someone interested in Vidro?
If the Yankees keep winning games, and Posada is questionable but not definitely out for the remainder of the season, it changes the talks that Cashman can have with the other GM’s.
A trade for a necessity is different than a trade for a bit of upgrade from current level. The higher the need the more the cost.
Posada is presumed to have to have the surgery. Fine. Until its announced that he will, the other GM’s won’t be certain. That helps Cashman.
Same situation with Matsui. Not knowing for certain if he is coming back helps lessen the demands. Costs will still be high for trades, but they go much higher when facts are known about the state of the players they are looking to replace or cover for.
Rebecca,
I’m in Harrisburg PA and it’s been raining steady here for an hour or two. Not looking good, unfortunately.
Washburn is good but not Vidro please we will look like the mets last season an old age home!
back to back homers from the A’s
2-0 oakland..looking good
back to back jack for the a’s , rays down 2-0
I love how the professors on this site overvalue everyone else players and undervalue the yanks.. Look at Fuentes, look at his #’s, look at his circumstances.. The Rockies are losing him in 2 months, he is over 30, a competent pitcher but far from elite.
Marte a very good lefty over 30, the yr in and yr out results of relief pitchers is scary, so how much should he really be worth?
We do not need any pen help for the 50th time.
We need a bat for sure and a starting pitcher only if it is a true upgrade.
the rest is just blather and noise.
ML: Harrisburg is still a bit away from the Bronx…I know my hope isn’t reasonable, but I can still have it!
“so did Phil Hughes, yet the Yankees are apparently idiots for penciling him into their rotation.”
no they were idiots for pencilling him in too soon.
they should have waited until the first six weeks were over so he could have a base under him so he wouldn’t get injured like he always does when they rush him in cold weather.
he’d likely be in the rotation now if they had used some patience.
“you just can’t measure all the intangibles livan brings to the table.”
randy, you are right, i can’t.
i think Livan isn’t what this team needs at all, but i have to say i can appreciate your enthuiasm.
Moose and Leiter talking about 300 wins. Moose realistically thinking it would take 3 more seasons (plus the rest of this year) to get the 38 he needs to get there.
Now last year is not forgotten, so 3 more years seems like a long shot, and that might be understating it. But this year almost peaks your curiosity to think he MIGHT be able to squeak out 38W’s over the next 3.5 years, doesn’t it?
Rebecca,
It’s far, but it’s not that far. What good is getting the game started if they can’t finish it? I’d rather they get today off if they’re going to have to play tomorrow.
They shouldn’t waste Mussina if it looks like rain. Push him to the Boston series. Can Giese pitch again after working an inning last night?
ha ha, i don’t know if what i said counts as praise, Randy… I’d probably take El Duque back before I’d ask for lil’ brother Livan on the Yankees.
Randy l,
That’s silly. There is no link between cold weather and Hughes injury.
The absolute last thing I want to see is Posada at first rather than Sexson or Giambi.
I never thought there would be a day that I’d choose Giambi at first over any other player, but this is the exception, good defense wins games.
Posada at first at mid-season ranks in stupidity with Sheffield at first. Considering first base as a throw away position is moronic. Yet the Yankees continue to do it. A warm body can play first.
You need a very good glove at first to turn the 3-6-3 double play and to protect the baseline against left handed batters. Anything up the line into the corner in Yankee stadium is a double. Why is this so difficult to figure out?
Chris, I think it might be possible for Moose, but will it be in the AL East? I can see there being a possiblility for him to get another year with the Yankees for the back of the rotation. I don’t think he will be looking at getting multiple years.
Sorry ML, Harrisburg is far enough that weather there is no predictor for the Bronx. Even if the storm is heading Northeast, it can die out or change direction by the time it hits NY.
I worked in Harrisburg for a couple years starting around 2002, fun town, unexpectedly……
Speaking of Livan, has anybody heard anything about El Duque this season?
hmmm-
the yankees are in ok shape right now with rasner and ponson, but if they regress or something happens to the yankees new big three, then livan is on a collision course with being a yankee.
someone is going to have to be bumped from the twins rotation. take a look at the twins startingpitching stats and guess who that would likely be.
i’m just saying.
ML: Harrisburg is also a fair bit south of the Bronx.
Nut, I agree on the years, he’s year-by-year from here on out. Could mean a trip to the NL for his last year or 2, if that’s what it takes. I don’t see any team giving him more than 1 year at a time though. Maybe a cheap, 1 year deal with team option for second, at most.
Mussina starts his Cy Young campaign today.
Anyone have a link (local radio station, maybe?) to listen online today…for free? My usual radio stations are playing Jim Rome. Thanks!
“they should have waited until the first six weeks were over so he could have a base under him so he wouldn’t get injured like he always does when they rush him in cold weather. ”
do you think the weather caused his broken ribs? or even rushing him? couldn’t he have broken his ribs in AAA?
i am not saying you are wrong, but i think it’s more likely that Hughes injured himself when he adopted a new workout routine in the offseason and tried to pitch through it, which made it worse.
that’s just my theory.
also, i don’t see why the Yankees should have sent Joba down to stretch him out. if they send him down, Giese starts those games. instead, he and Giese shared those games. that way, they got the better quality Joba innings for their major league team, which helped them win 2 out of those 3 games.
i think they handled it perfectly, and it seems odd to still be complaining about it. you know, the people running the Yankees do OCCASSIONALLY get some things right.
1 pitch 1 out
Chris NY,
Anything’s possible. But with a storm this big, I think there’s a good chance it hits there. As a Yanks fan, I’d be psyched if it missed, but I don’t expect it.
Yeah, it hasn’t been as bad here as I thought. My wife’s going to med school here which is why we’re here.
11-15 last year al? lol
Can Posada just have surgery already? I’ll perform it if they can’t find a doctor…I’m not a doctor. I don’t care. Just get it done and get back in time for 2009.
But then again, if Moose wins 20 games this year, will he be cheap? I have to think teams will still be very skeptical. But, if he gets 20 wins and proves he found something, that this year was no fluke… he could get a decent (not big) contract for 1 year.
The last thing I heard about El Duque was that they were altering his kick move to help his feet but last week his foot bothered him again so that wasnt working. Or something like that. I dont think there is a timetable at this point.
What did the announcers if anyone is watching YES say about why melky had an error last night? What was he waiving at? anybody i’m just curious..
I probably missed it earlier, but what are the thoughts on Washburn? I’m not huge on him, and frankly, Seattle would have to eat most of his ridiculous salary for next year.
They just showed it. He was waving at the bleacher creatures they said..
Sexy range there
matalox: Melky was acknowledging the “roll call” while he was fielding.
Kind of like talking on the cell while driving.
According to Suzyn Waldman from her interview with Posada, she is claiming that the organization has asked Posada to “give it one more shot.”
Basically, with trying to throw (as a catcher), he was draining his arm/shoulder which was affecting his batting and this came from Posada’s mouth. Posada apparently talked to Joe Torre about it as well. The Yankees are asking him to take the 2 weeks of DL time to think it over and see if he can be a 1B/DH for the remainder of the season.
I am completely perplexed as to this move. This does not sound like a smart move in my opinion. What do you guys think? Is this a tactic to make them look like they’re not desperate? Or are they really thinking that Posada’s bat for the remainder of this season is worth risking screwing up his rehab time by interfering with his 2009 season.
thanks…
“Randy l,
That’s silly. There is no link between cold weather and Hughes injury.”
the spring in hughe’s first year was one of the coldest on record. almost all north east minor league pitchers were behind that year and hughes couldn’t throw more than 45 itches without losing velocity when he was rushed in an emergency mlb start.
i was in a triple a locker room when a comparable prospect was pitching and they pulled him out early in a game because of the bad weather and his lack of an innings base.
seeing that raised a red flagt because that was the week hughes was called up. he was pitching in the same conditions that spring as the other organization’s star prospect. he was not ready and he has never been the same since.
wow moose looks graet in 1st inning only 2 balls the rest was strikes!
I would almost rather see Moose get his first 20 win season and first Cy Young this year than hit 300 wins. If he finishes with 270 AL EAST wins and a Cy Young, that should be enough for the Hall and the Cy Young would be some serious redemption/validation for him. Not sure that will happen though.
“you know, the people running the Yankees do OCCASSIONALLY get some things right.”
joba’s handling was almost ok and it worked out fine so no big complaint there. i just like to err on the side of caution with young pitchers.
“The last thing I heard about El Duque was that they were altering his kick move to help his feet but last week his foot bothered him again so that wasnt working.”
He’s still playing??? Still with the Mets? How old is he now? I’m guessing his “stated” age must be up around 40 by now, which means he must be at least 53.
“seeing that raised a red flagt because that was the week hughes was called up. he was pitching in the same conditions that spring as the other organization’s star prospect. he was not ready and he has never been the same since.”
oh, you meant last season.
that is possible, i suppose.
Someone tell Krusty the Klown (levine), to but his nose out of injury situations. He is the biggest clown, he thinks fans are fools the way he speaks to us. I can’t stand him.
Randy, Joba’s handling was more than ok, it was the exact right thing to do given his innings limit and his ability combined with maturity (beyond his years). Yes it was a chance, but they knew his mental make-up and knew he could handle it. Not just saying this because it has worked out, I said all along it was the right thing to do.
Levine is an idiot and should steer clear of baseball decisions. Hank or Hal should just boot his arse to the curb.
Randy Levine strikes again. Nothing like The Peter Principle at work.
11 pitches… woot… good job offense. Some Patience please.
Not a very good first inning. This has all the makings of shutout.
Levine should not be involved in this decision unless he has a medical degree I don’t know about.
The offense is just trying to hurry it up so Moose can get in 5 and an official game.. then they’ll go to work
“The makings of a shut out”?
It was the first inning..and it’s not like Mussina’s throwing meatballs up there…If we want the hitters to be patient, we need to be patient too
“you just can’t measure all the intangibles livan brings to the table.â€
What? Steak sauce, salt, and pepper? Appetite?
Who wins the Cy Young this year?
Dice-K has a good winning percentage. K-rod’s got Thigpen’s record in his sights. Guy with the most wins gets it?
Perkins hasn’t lost since May. He’s obviously doing something right….
Moooooooose
Posada called Torre?
and Randy Levine..fool please…talk to the hand
Good inning for Moose… now arod or someone needs to start working Perky here and get his pitch count up over – oh, I dunno, 30 would be good.
Let’s assume it is true that they want Jorge to come back this year and delay surgery because Levine wants value. Why risk 3 more years for a payoff of a few months.
Wow, Levine wants some ROI on Posada and yet Pavano is still pitching in the minors, right?
Ha. Bad comparison, but same concept, right?
Right down the middle Alex, gotta crush that one.
yeesh… looks like the offense is in a rush or something.
…I go down to get a snack and and there are two out?
And Robbie, wow.
This is typical Randy Levine. The owners should really override anything he has to say on this matter. If he wants a ROI, then he needs Posada ready for most of 2009.
how many time do we see a-rod pop to foul 1st on fastball down the pipe?!
Posada’s calling Torre? Wow. There must a rift between some of the vets and Girardi.
“Why Levine is getting involved in baseball and medical decisions isn’t certain, but he has that right as team president. That would explain why the Yankees are being so reticent to give information out. There seems to be a disagreement with how this should be handled.”
You mean it’s not only Girardi who’s lying right now?
Wow, Canos.
cano is hot! woohsa!
There must be a scouting report on Perkins to swing early, because they are hacking. Unless Lonnie Quinn has told them the rain is coming earlier than expected.
cano is indeed on fire. he just needs to lite some of the other people… like the $15 to $20 mil+ guys would be nice.
Right down the middle Alex, gotta crush that one.
No it wasn’t, infact it was low an inside and instead of pulling it he tried to go RF and popped it up.
good job melk… how about taking a pitch or three?
3 hitters retired on first pitch swinging. Pretty pathetic.
can they take a damn pitch??
the guy has thrown 20 pitches in 2 innings.
melky drives me crazy, righty take a friggin pitch and top the lunging at the ball.
Its nice to see mussina make these hitters look silly. I’m starting to enjoy it more than a power pitcher.
why swing early? get the lead, then shorten the game……
what a surprise melky swings at the first pitch. Too bad he’s not hurt, his bat sucks
19 pitches in 2 innings – cripes. ponson throws 19 pitches on one batter.
Once again, Melky, you’re not Jeter. You can’t get away with swinging at the first pitch.
Gotta love that MelkMan, who can’t hit his way out of a paper bag and swings at the first pitch and pops out…he stupidity at the plate is only surpassed by his lack of skills…
nice jump on the ball melky
he=his
randy l,
I also didn’t know that you were talking about last season. That makes you’re argument even more bizarre. Hughes recovered and was healthy in spring training. How does a pulled hammy last year cause his rib to break this year?
It doesn’t make sense, and your insider “i was in a triple a locker room” story is irrelevant.
Melky knows that he’s not required to swing at every pitch, right?
Posada’s calling Torre? Wow. There must a rift between some of the vets and Girardi.
i heared him say it on the interview with waldman . my ears almost popped . She didnt even ask him about it he just said i spoke to the doctor and torre ! Sounds fishy! useally you got to pull out from him info and now booms!
You can tell today is going to be a tough game, day games after night games scoring is down in the ML eversince PEDs and Amp. have been probed
nothing wrong with swinging early, if you get a fat pitch.
and that was not a fat pitch.
that’s some sexy range
If “Being an A$$hole” were an Olympic event, Randy Levine would the Michael Phelps of that sport.
Maybe it’s about time for everyone to look at last year as a fluke for Mussina. He was great the year before last too.
Matt – the Washburn discussion is so yesterday.
On Jorge, a couple of points to consider.
His rehab will take 6 months. If he plays through September, that leaves him out through Spring Training. So he misses the first 3 weeks of next season. Frankly that’s not a bad thing – if he didn’t have to catch in April’s cold weather, that could be good for his recovery. IF he can get the pain and inflammation down and help with the bat, I’d be more than happy to see him help with the stretch drive and miss some games in April next season.
Now if we make the playoffs, that’s where things start to get sticky. But I’d trade playing him in the playoffs – again, IF he was contributing with the bat – for games at the beginning of the regular season next year. We’ll have a better opportunity to address any needs at C in the offseason than now.
Jorge’s a warrior – I want him playing when it matters (if he’s really able to contribute) more than I’m concerned about the 1st 2 months of next season. That’s an issue that can be addressed over the winter.
I’d say it’s more likely that he’ll wind up going the surgery route – but I think it’s close to 50-50. This isn’t a career ending thing. He had shoulder surgery before and came back fine. Yes, he’s older now, but you treat him conservatively, use him at 1B and DH some in the 1st half until you know he’s sound, and go forward.
Folks, Chad Moeller is not a solution here. Please go look at his career stats, particular the last 5 years. This is a AAAA guy just hanging on. Not a better hitter than Jose. But he’s what we’ve got so I’ll hope for the best.
sexy range
get to work bats
was the last 2 outs hard liners or soft?
Let’s score Moose some runs
That’s exactly the point, vinny-b. He swings at everything whether it’s good or not.
Between swinging at everything, sliding headfirst, and his moronic error yesterday, we’re going to start having to talk about “Melky being Melky”! He’s just like Manny except he can’t hit a lick.
melky was not the only person to swing at the first pitch
JEEZ.
the game just started and everyone is already being so negative.
another young lefty moles down a yankee line up on few pitches!
okay, Yankees, some Yankee offense would be okay, you know…
Where’s SJ44 been?
Oh lord-Enough with Arroyo Fatcessa
This is stupid. Pavano gets surgery every couple of weeks and no one worries about getting a “return” on the investment.
Randy Levine is a toolbox.
Who cares if Posada talked to Torre? Jeter still speaks to him often. Posada wants an outside opinion from a man he respects. I’m no Torre-adorer, but this doesn’t bother me in the scope of things, especially when Randy Levine is barking in your ear.
Moose for MVP!
I know Hamilton is the front runner, but if the Yankees make the post season, which player would have meant more to their team. If the Yankees pull it out and Moose keeps it up, then skip giving the award to the best hitter on a third place team.
well that inning sucked
27 pithces in 3 inning and he does it fast! WOW !
man that was just pathetic.
was the last 2 outs hard liners or soft?
JC’s was hard, Gomez again w/ his range straight back made that rob.
HR Cano!!!! ]
I can feel it
Looks like they’re going to look at the standings in a couple of weeks to see what direction to take with Jorge.
Joba vs. Beckett
friday night. Matchup/Game of the year, to this point.
well lets hope moose keeps on like this the yanks could scratch out some runs! maybe sexy guy give sterling some dilema how to call his home run.
I’m sure no one on the Yankees has a problem with Jorge calling Torre.
….Nice leaping try, Sexy!
So, I have to ask. Have any off you ever tried to learn a language (other than English or Spanish) while watching the Yankees?
I have to teach myself Latin. It’s an interesting experience.
i agree with you espresso
moose is deserving but it all depends on how the yankees end their year
world champs, please?
danielle,
It’s not just that at bat. That is just the latest example of Melky’s refusal to look for a pitch that he can hit. If he were Vlad Guerrero, he could hit like that. But he’s not.
His free swinging is also a sign of his lack of coachability. Presumably, the coaches have encouraged him to look for his pitch, yet he continues to swing at everything. They’ve also tried to eliminate his head first slides to no avail. And last night’s mental error was unconscionable. Unfortunately, the Yanks don’t have many CF options at the moment. But Melky has made it clear that he is a bench player, not a starter.
Moose is hitting corners. I’d say this ump has a pitcher’s strike zone though.
Albany Lover: too funny.
“Have any off you ever tried to learn a language (other than English or Spanish) while watching the Yankees?”
learn? no
but i often practice “foul” language during games. my neighbors will tell you i’m quite fluent.
Is perkins on pace to a complete game shutout with the fewest # of pitches? what’s the record?
Thanks Brandon
saucY: Oh yes, I’m absolutley fluent in JerseySpeak. It’s my first language, actually.
This one might be a record for shortest game, ever.
Bottom of the fourth and it’s not even two!
Sean, he’s not shutting the Yankees out unless Cano left to go drinking already.
50 pitches, not 40, Kay.
ML,
believe me im not making excuses for him and i totally agree with what you said
lets just all hope Robbie takes Melky on a little trip to the dominican republic
ML,
I’d have to agree with your sentiment. Melky appears to not be the sharpest tool in the shed, and at this point, is more concerned with playing up to the fans and camera, rather than improving his skills. When he came up, it was refreshing. Now it’s old…his lack of production definitely has an effect on my judgment, but maybe he should be listening to his coaches and maturing a little more, and then he can still have his fun.
“….Nice leaping try, Sexy!
So, I have to ask. Have any off you ever tried to learn a language (other than English or Spanish) while watching the Yankees?
I have to teach myself Latin. It’s an interesting experience.”
I have to take a trip to France in 6 months so I’ve been trying my best to learn French. I know Spanish so it’s not really too hard since they are in the same family… gets EXTREMELY boring though and I find myself wandering off many times. Kind of like right now.
Rosetta Stone is what I use.
Rebecca – Why do you have to learn Latin? Do your grad courses require to translate works yourself?
Way lower than his pace.
Salve, Rebecca!
Work the pitcher this time…!!
Grife!
The record is 58 pitches.
http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....1944.shtml
TB ties it up.
MLBTR sez the Rox want Ian Kennedy for Brian Fuentes.
I’m of the NO mindset.
What’s w/ big pompous? The caller is giving credit to Lohse and the Cardinals for turning around Lohse as a SP and Big Pompous uses Mulder as an example? Why would you use this guy as an example? He has a tear in the shoulder? This guy has lost it especially with his love crush on Bronson Arroyo.
has anyone applied with Websters to get “Jeterian” an official word?
TB takes the lead.
Actually, TB leads 3-2
i think the offense has arrived!
don’t mind the delay! lol
“Jeterian†is that a double play term.
How can they not hit these meatballs right down the middle??
thanks CUyanks
…Bobby.
So, so, so not cool.
Caught a break there.
that wasn’t really smart.
MoBoy – it goes both ways (zing)…. Jeterian swing, Jeterian double play.
I assume Abreu was trying to hit into a double play and since they didn’t cover he got picked off to complete the double play
Just like that…sloppy baseball on both parts.
Why would Abreu even think of going? A-ROD IS AT THE PLATE. What another waste of an inning by way of idiotic approach.
Well Abreu’s not having a good inning…
We’re going to have to gut this game out.
More or less.
It’s a medieval studies program–most of the source material is in latin.
Ugh!
37 pitches through 4 innings. That’s pathetic. Did this team realize they had a game today or were they just expecting to go down to the bar and celebrate winning the other 2 games in the series?
Talk about pathetic. Perkins with less than 40 pitches. Imagine if they had to face a good pitcher.
sorry spoke to soon =(
38 pitches…4 innings…this is not “Yankee baseball”
Shields is dealing for TB.
per Melky: the incident last night, do not bother me. He was interacting with the fans. Let him have a pass.
the sliding into first base. That, i don’t understand.
ohhhh Big Sexy almost got that one.
I hate “jeterian”. Kay thinks he’s so cool but he’s just annoying. Only the Babe should have an adjective made from his name.
crappy left handed pitching kills the yankees
THAT WAS SEXY !
Sexy…great defense.
Wow terrific play Sexson!
You guys do know that the Yankees scored 12 and 8 runs the …NICE DOUBLE PLAY…last two games…maybe the offense is just a little sleepy
ESPN’s “Things to Watch” for this game:
THREE THINGS TO WATCH: WEDNESDAY
Perkins
1. Perkins needs to work inside against Yankees
Twins lefty Glen Perkins takes the mound Wednesday against the last team to beat him. Since losing to the Yankees on May 30, Perkins has gone 5-0 with a 3.81 ERA. His loss to the Yankees was his worst outing of the season, as he surrendered five runs on 10 hits and didn’t record a strikeout over four innings. This time around, Perkins will need to pitch Yankees batters inside and put batters away when he gets ahead in the count.
The Yankees are one of the worst-hitting teams in the majors against inside pitches, and one of the best teams against outside pitches:
Yankees averages and MLB ranks by pitch location (through Monday)
Location BA BA rank SLG SLG rank
Inside .227 23 .356 29
Outside .265 2 .386 2
Against the Yankees, Perkins did not allow any hits on inside pitches. However, he threw just 28 percent of his pitches inside, compared to 36 percent in his starts since. He threw 41 percent of his pitches outside, on which the Yankees knocked seven of their 10 hits, two for extra-bases. On outside pitches, the Yankees hit .778 with a 1.111 slugging percentage.
Perkins also had trouble finishing off Yankees hitters. When he was ahead in the count, they hit .615 with a .846 slugging percentage and put 61 percent swung-on pitches in play. With two strikes, New York hit .700 with a 1.000 slugging percentage and put 67 percent of swings in play.
If he pounds the ball inside against Yankees batters Wednesday, particularly when he is ahead in the count, Perkins will give himself a chance to extend his winning streak.
Nice play by Sexson.
I wish I was allowed to keep my name on here as The Big Sexy
wow a first baseman who throws strikes to 2econd for DP’s. What a concept.
Looks like they want to end this game before 3:00pm.
That double play was very sexy indeed.
Touch me Sexy Hands!
Sexson is earning his money with good D at first. If they want Posada to hit, wouldn’t that mean taking the Stache out of the lineup?
Its Sexy Time!!!!!!
question for all:
we have two catchers, molina and moeller. gardner is on the bench. say its a late inning, were tied, molina gets on base. we pinch run with gardner, after the inning moeller comes in to catch. moeller gets hurt. whos the emergency catcher??
we need some runs…this perkins character is a bum
BTW i am different than the two other matts here
Oy Richie, you’re not supposed to do that!
not Sexy
jesus Robi again.
Robbie, I don’t even have words any more
He’ll be hitting 270 after todays game
LOL @ how many people find good baseball sexy.
this perkins character is a bum
Not really. Though we do need some runs.
and the “bestie” gets a hit!
Wow did you read Perkins’ lips? I don’t blame him!
Ridiculous. Why is Molina swinging at the first pitch? He shouldn’t been swinging at all.
JC !
Justin Christian….possibly starting in place of Brett Gardner??? Wow…Molina sent home.
omfg – GreenLight Meacham got one right!!!!
Oh, I feel bad for Casilla. But make him pay, please.
justin christian!
…Molina just scored from first?!
Wow.
You know, I think I just need to watch this team in July.
That ball had to be traveling in slo-mo for Molina to score from 1st.
Molina scores from first!!! APOCALYPSE NOW!!
Damn, can’t believe my eyes.
Good throw he is HOSED.
Thank you Alexi Casilla
Nice JC!!
JC!!!!!!!!!!
Slu
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:55 am
Boy, do the Yankees need a bench. Gardner/Christian ain’t cutting it.
Woops. You didn’t see that one coming.
Whether you like it or not, that’s Jeterian right there.
WAIT A MINUTE MOLINA WENT 1ST TO HOME !
JC!!!
By the way, Brandon, sorry for insulting you yesterday it was really immature on my part. I still stand by the fact that you are nuts though
Molina for the Olympic Team…I’m starting a movement.
Poor kid.
I am kind of surprised that I don’t see any mention of Melky’s bonehead play last night (lot’s of post’s, might of missed it). First batter of the game he gave up an extra base on a single by booting a ball, because he was too distracted by waiving to the bleachers during roll call. This led to the first run following a bunt to move the runner over to third. His bat hasn’t been great, so he should probably keep his head in the game while in the field….
But who really cares, that’s a BIG hit by Christian!!! 2 RBI’s….let’s sweep this thing!!
YEA YANKEES!
VIVA SPEEDY MOLINA!!!
Umpire’s balk.
That was Christian? My bad.
Molina..lol
look.. i dont care if molina scored.
Meech!!! how can you send molina from 1st when he is reaching 3rd base at when the Left Fielder is picking up the ball.
seriously.. this is a major major issue.
How can you be so incompetent at 3B.. you can even tell the yankee broadcasters are shocked and doing all they can not to criticize.
Kevin
Kay and Leiter talked about it in the first inning.
Thank goodness the twins have a player like melky with their head up A@$ I thought we were the only ones
oooooooooooo that was a strike. We are catching big breaks this game.
kevin: yes. You missed it. Several times, over. : )
wow – that ump messed that up, too
“I am kind of surprised that I don’t see any mention of Melky’s bonehead play last night (lot’s of post’s, might of missed it). First batter of the game he gave up an extra base on a single by booting a ball, because he was too distracted by waiving to the bleachers during roll call. This led to the first run following a bunt to move the runner over to third. His bat hasn’t been great, so he should probably keep his head in the game while in the field….”
When you win 8-2, unimportant first inning boners really don’t mean much. Rasner got out of it without a run scoring, props to him.
Well, there goes the 58 pitch complete game for Perkins.
Andale! Andale! ARRIBA ARRIBA Speedy Molina!!!!! The fastest to come out of Salinas, Puerto Rico!!!
“Meech!!! how can you send molina from 1st when he is reaching 3rd base at when the Left Fielder is picking up the ball.
seriously.. this is a major major issue.
How can you be so incompetent at 3B.. you can even tell the yankee broadcasters are shocked and doing all they can not to criticize.”
I think that Punto was so shocked that Molina was running he made a terrible throw. Shock and awe right there.
having Posada play hurt because you’re looking for him to earn his paycheck is absolutely asenine. he earned that paycheck with those four rings he’s got at home. let the man have his surgery and come back strong next season for the new stadium and, hopefully, an even further re-energized team than the one we’ve got now.
Not to mention that having him play DH and 1B this year potentially weakens this team defensively at first.
I meant in the Blog…..funny thing is I’m listening to Sterling now, and he actually didn’t notice it.
The writer on the air in the top of 5 mentioned that Girardi sat him down this morning…..
Kevin,
Girardi took care of it. Did you see Melky sheepishly wave to the creatures?
BTW, it didn’t cost a run, but was still a bonehead play.
Minny scored their 2 runs on 3 straight base hits.
maybe casilla thought the runner was tagged going to third? either way it was huge mistake and I actually feel bad for. (i do have him on my fantasy team and he’s been huge for me at 2nd base
water under the bridge Patrick I still think Wesley Wright is a shut down lefty specialist anyone who holds the opposing side to under .200 BAA I see that way.
That wasn’t fair. But A-Rod’s defense at 3rd has been GG caliber.
It was funny – did you see Cano try to help Molina up like he was escorting an old lady to the dugout.
Make it stand up MOOSE!
Kevin,
We were all irritated, except for 2 people, when it happened.
Oy Moose, let’s get some outs!
“When you win 8-2, unimportant first inning boners really don’t mean much. Rasner got out of it without a run scoring, props to him.”
You are right, Rasner did get out of it, but honestly his bat is not doing much, so he should probably wait till the play is over to acknowledge roll call…don’t you think?…..just a thought, don’t get your panties in a wad….
Uh oh. Here they come.
totally missed Melky’s error last night (was cooking/watching). screwed up due to roll call? kind of funny, but not really.
is that a first?
Molina is the secret weapon!!! Forget Jorge’s bat! Forget Gardner’s speed! We got the secret weapon in Molina!!! Its the surprise factor!!! They couldn’t believe his blinding speed!!! Molina for the Hall Of Fame!!!!
Brandon you could be (w)right about Wright. I just don’t see why we need another reliever considering how good the bullpen has been. Maybe in the playoffs a lefty specialist would be useful (that is if the Yanks make the playoffs).
Damn, they doubled up Span.
Oakland had 1st & 2nd zero outs. A double play and ground out later. Nothing!
Gardenhire’s going to go into cardiac arrest.
it didn’t lead to any runs.
at least melky doesn’t blow off, the fans.
Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but couldn’t this whole thing with Posada rehabbing be a giant smoke screen from Cashman? It’s a longshot that he comes back, but it does send a message to other teams that he’s no as desparate for a bat.
LMAO Ron
ill go with that theory too.
SaucY: Can’t imagine Melky’s the only one to have done that in the entire history of the Bleacher Creatures, but it can’t happen too often.
question for all:
we have two catchers, molina and moeller. gardner is on the bench. say its a late inning, were tied, molina gets on base. we pinch run with gardner, after the inning moeller comes in to catch. moeller gets hurt. whos the emergency catcher??
A random observation:
The Twins wear M’s on their hats in the field and TC on their batting helmets – does anybody else do that?
Seems odd.
Yanks have turned a lot of DPs this series.
ohhhhhh you can tell Big Sexy is gonna rob some hits here.
Ay Bendito!!! Casilla double, no worry Molina will get him out at home!!!
Lets go Mussolini!!!!!!
Gotta get that ball Sexson.
“totally missed Melky’s error last night (was cooking/watching). screwed up due to roll call? kind of funny, but not really.
is that a first?”
I did a double-take myself, and hit rewind on the DVR…..I didn’t get what he was waving at, and Leiter & Kay were just as confused at first, until listening back to the audio and hearing “Melky, Melky, Melky” when the ball was rolling towards him….
I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the vets also had a word or two w/ him. The inning doesn’t matter, the focus has to be there during every pitch…..
Jetes WTF catch it !
Way off topic, but I was at the game on Monday. I was actually pleased by what I saw from Ponson. He was consistently 92-94, and LOW in the zone. Almost every hit he surrendered was a grounder in the wrong place. If he’s become a sinkerballer with an okay slider, I don’t see a reason he can’t hold his own.
Sexy range there.
Wow, Sexson’s much better at first than I thought.
Sexson has been downright solid at 1b.
Sexy catches everything he can reach! Reminds me of Giambi.
Six innings of five hit shutout ball?
I’ll take that from the guy that at the start of the season wasn’t even supposed to be a regular in the rotation
Can I get a Moose call?
“Meech!!! how can you send molina from 1st when he is reaching 3rd base at when the Left Fielder is picking up the ball.
seriously.. this is a major major issue. ”
Are you aware that the LA Dodgers have the same amount of runners who’ve been thrown out at the plate? The Yankees are actually tied up with a bunch of other teams as far as runners being thrown out at the plate.
In other words, it’s NOT a major major issue.
”
we have two catchers, molina and moeller. gardner is on the bench. say its a late inning, were tied, molina gets on base. we pinch run with gardner, after the inning moeller comes in to catch. moeller gets hurt. whos the emergency catcher??”
Betemit probably digs out the catcher’s mitt.
what happened, a jeterian throw?
Ron:
Maybe even Girardi–he was out there warming Mo in the ASG!
I find it hilarious how it alls comes back to Melky. Pretty soon when the Yankees are in first a lot of people aren’t going to have anything to complain about.
“Yankees win 5 in a row, can’t complain about them sucking. There must be something I can complain about. ooooohhhh I know! Melky Cabrera!”
Girardi will catch…..
ron…thanks
Girardi will catch a lot of criticism!
a jeterian swing…I wonder how many things we can call “Jeterian”:
Jeterian Throw
Jeterian Swing
Jeterian Catch
WOW Jetes drove that deep, but check the range on Span there.
is giradi allowed to catch by mlb rules?
Del,
Pick off move to second, throw was on the 3rd base side. Jeter just missed it and it went into centerfield. Throw was off, but no harm no foul as Casilla didn’t advance and Moose got the out.
rebecca, here
Raymagnetic -
Would that be the Larry Bowa, third base coach, LA Dodgers????
“Maybe even Girardi–he was out there warming Mo in the ASG!”
As amusing as it would be, he’s not technically on the 25-man roster.
wilson has a better mitt
tack on some more runs
Uh oh rays threatening for insurance runs.
prediction yanks win it in 8th innings the rain will come down hard!!!!!!
“Jeterian Throw
Jeterian Swing
Jeterian Catch”
“Jeterian Range?”
if anythin else, Sexon will be the late-inning replacement, we have needed for a while.
c’mon arod – time to vogue a homer.
FYI…
The Rays ae threatening. Runners at the corners nobody out.
“Raymagnetic -
Would that be the Larry Bowa, third base coach, LA Dodgers???? ”
And you know this Ms. Doreen.
SO what happened to anti-mussina (or was it anti-pettitte) that bet everyone that Mussina would have over a 6 ERA and less than 8 wins all season?
Jeterian Clutchosity.
Used in a sentence:
Justin Christian showed a flash of Jeterian Clutchosity as he made Casilla pay for a brutal mental mistake.
Sorry Pete MIKE MUSSINA IS NOT COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR…any other year he would be. But Cliff Lee was sent down to the Minors last year. Cliff Lee is the comeback player of the year.
double steal…
cannot imagine having to remain in that 3rd base box, with Sheffield at the plate.
I know Bowa, would never stand in it.
as long as moose doesn’t pitch to manny, he’s awesome…
Doreen,
Saw your message the other day. Thanks.
nice! Jeterian Clutchosity…
TWO MORE RUNS!!!!
Damn, this is Meachem’s day.
Sterling kills me. Made me think ALex just hit a hr.
a hit w/ RISP for Alex !
That looked like it was gonna go – the air must be very, very heavy out there.
woot! I love it. (like a virgin).
Alex!!
Sexson gets the job done.
Jennifer – it was like an inch from out of here
Damn that Kay, making me think it was gone.
take it
Sterling does that to everybody. He’s the worst.
Arod practically walked to 3rd.
Sexy Sac Fly indeed
boy, meachem is doing his best “price is right” imitation, everybody…Come on down!
LOL! That was Meachem in that play with Fisk?! No wonder!
Meachem is terrible. If not for two bad throws by the Twins, he would have gotten two runners thrown out at the plate today.
meech needs to be DFA.
really, every time he sends someone home, they are out by a mile. Today the yanks have been lucky .. but still
how can this keep happening!!!
even the announcers, you can hear are shocked and shaking their heads and trying to be nice.
Jennifer,
Off the bat and judging by the swing and Alex’s ‘tude after making contact, it DID look like it was going out. So this time, not so much the Sterling treatment.
A-ROD NICE HIT!!!!!!!!! Sexon nice job brining home alex! WE ARE WINNING TODAY!!!!!!!
For about ten seconds, Cano’s OBP was over .300.
sometimes I wish I was a west coast mexican gang banger just so I could go around calling people ese’.
Caught on?
Robbie nearly went three for three there.
He got the stupid hit becaue he didnt slide into first… Yeah
Jennifer, I hear you. Listening to Sterling is such an adventure. He blew the Jeter double call badly, and then he gave his “It is high, it is far …” on A-Rod’s blast.
How is it that the Yankees, the wealthiest, most history-laden team in MLB, has the worst radio duo in the league?
And he didn’t slide into first – that is nice!
Well, after all the bashing Melky took earlier it’s another 2 hit day for him. Batting RH at that.
Melky’s earned this. He’s had more lineouts than anyone on this team.
Jesus Christ Mike STFU ABOUT ARROYO !
I don’t know who I would rather see go. Latoya or Meachem.
ML,
You’ll get more off throws than strikes. As long as it doesn’t lose us games, wave ‘em round. Worth the gamble. Unless it’s blatant like the last series.
With two outs, sending molina is justifiable. However, with no outs and the yanks hitting the ball hard off perkins this inning, there was no need to risk that with 0 outs. The only question is which new york team has a more aggressive third base coach?
As much as Jeter, ARod and Christian did there part, I credit Cano to the waking up of the Yankee offense… he’s like the all powerful catalyst for the pinstripe bats.
Ive found that I can get through the day without listening to Mike and the Mad Dog…You can too!
How about a Jeterian pirouette? (Doreen!)
Mitch: In Sterling’s defense, that one both looked AND sounded like it was gone.
Alex missed it by maybe an inch.
It’s really amazing. We’ve probably endured the worst case scenario in terms of our young pitchers, including Wang. But in terms of the bullpen, we’ve seen a bunch of good young arms turn into a shutdown pen. And I think that tons of credit has to go to Girardi for giving them consistent innings, chances in big spots, and showing confidence in all of them.
emma…francis would have a heart attack if the both of them were gone.
Sure Cashman theres no one out there that can beat Jorge Posada and he’s injury shoulder hitting.
Yeah, speaking of lousy coaching, how about getting a speedster like Endy Chavez gunned out twice?
Do we just use “Jeterisms’ for when he talking but not really saying anything? or is there a “Jeterian _____” in play there?
the yankee players need to start questioning meech’s decisions by now.
once that happens, you have to make a change…. if the players dont trust meech, i dont care what girardi says
I don’t agree. There are gambles, then there are stupid gambles like sending Molina. Meachem can’t tell the difference.
Mitch,
I always complain about Waldman and Sterling, but last evening I had the Mets game on the radio for a little while (Mets fan was a passenger), and it sounded like a minor league game. Totally devoid of personallty. And one thing you can’t deny is Waldman and Sterling have personality – now you may not like their personality, but at least they have some.
“Sure Cashman theres no one out there that can beat Jorge Posada and he’s injury shoulder hitting.”
Seriously, find a catcher that might be availiable that is even competent with the bat. This is why Posada got a 4-year deal in the first place…the market for catchers is pathetic.
Classic Sterling once again on the A-rod double.
” It is high, it is far, it is……….off the wall!!”
Come on John. Time for a new spotter.
Amazing how loose the dugout is. Stark contrast to a few months ago.
Fine..but both don’t have to leave. If ONE of them were to leave–which one would people rather? Both have cost us games. At least there are other people to bring in instead of Latoya but Meachem is the one and only third base coach.
Girardi better give Moose a chance at the CG SHO!
“Amazing how loose the dugout is. Stark contrast to a few months ago.”
Winning creates chemistry. Winning creates energy.
Losing does the opposite.
No question about it. Today WILL be a Mo day. Jose Veras in the 8th.
You know, when I was in middle school in 98 and 99 and 00 and not allowed to stay up to watch the end of Yankee games (yeah, my parents were kind of strict), I’d listen to the end of the games on the radio in my bedroom…I grew up listening to sterling.
Bad as you might think he is, those nights made for some very pleasant memories.
sorry sterling bashers not only he tought it was out A-rod himself did so. He threw the bat and went slowly to first like he does when he homers!
God damn you Mike Lamb.
That 2-seamer is just terrific…well, except right there.
I was at a barber shop the other day and on the wall was picture of a guy with an old school high top fade and underneath the picture was a handmade sign that said “The Jeterian”
Jesus Christ Mike STFU ABOUT ARROYO !
LOL His man-love for Arroyo is frightening.
Is Jeter sleep playing today ?
Honestly, there’s not reason to trade for a catcher if Posada’s done for the year. I was just looking at Jose Molina’s Career Second Half Numbers and they’re actually better than the guys that I’ve been hearing about the Yanks acquiring (Gregg Zaun, Rod Barajas, Gerald Laird, etc).
Also, note the video of Brian Cashman at the bottem of the article… he sounds pretty grim about Posada as a hitter also. It may be time for Jorgie to consider that surgery and just be ready for 2009…
does Mussina win 20, this season?
Mel -
Yes!
Or, how about a Jeterian jeté? (Leap)
Okay, maybe that’s too lame.
I don’t care what Melky did today. Until he does it over the long haul, I’m not convinced.
Maybe his embarrassing mistake yesterday will be a wake up call. I certainly hope so.
Ron,
Ramirez credits Mo in this article:
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p;c_id=nyy
Mo told him to pitch with confidence. Me thinks that all the pitchers, even the starters have taken that advice.
Mussina is going to win that Cy Young.
“does Mussina win 20, this season?”
Extremely possible. With a MLB season where the Rays lead our division…anything can happen. Mussina can pitch a perfect game next outing too and I won’t be surprised.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE
Getting that ‘ol Yankee swagger comes at a good time.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE !!!
Vinny: He’s pitching like he doesn’t want to do anything else BUT that.
Moose and Cy young? I’m still extremely pissed he didn’t make the All-Star team.
vinny-b-
it seems very likely. i would say Cy Young as well, but theres this Asian pitcher whose name i will not mention playing for a teamm whom we all hate that is 11-1 with a ridiculous ERA.
Moooooooooooooose
Mussolini has about 12-15 starts left. Its definitley possible
Just curious: when was the last Moose allowed a dinger? I remember being really concerned with his HR rate early, but he’s at just 12 at this point in the season.
I’ll be honest…last year, I hated watching Mussina pitch. It was always a struggle to get through his games…as much as it was laboring for me, it was probably the same for him. The way he has pitched this year though…just watching him is more enjoyable, as his mix is so good now. It seemed like he was clinging to his past last year and now…he’s accepted the diversity he needs to succeed. He’s been fun to watch. I’ve been completely surprised.
Vinny,
He’s going to get at least 12 more starts to pick up 8 wins. if he gets win today, 12 to get 7, but not ready to jinx us yet.
It’s going to be really close.
Moose’s ERA is down to 3.29 Get it under 3.00, win 20 games; Yanks win the division; maybe he get the Cy Young!
Mussina with a Mo-esque 21/1 K/BB ratio in July.
Moose pitches like he’s playing wiffle in the back yard w/ a brew in his hand…..and honestly more fun to watch then a flame thrower….and it makes the batters look a lot worse too!!
If he get to 19 wins in mid September, they should just start him every 4th day and hope the offense puts up a 20 spot
Del are you sneakily also Francis the Praying Mantis?
“Winning creates chemistry. Winning creates energy. ”
This is a very true statement. Alot of people use to talk about the clubhouse and chemistry of the late 90s/early 2000 yanks and that was the reason for their success. when a team is good and wins, everyone is happy.
Torre came and spoke to my company in 2001, and someone asked about the team chemistry, etc. He said something very similar, that when a team wins; chemistry is built and everyone was happy (he didnt gush about how great team mates everyone was and how the chemistry fostered their success).. it was very interesting to hear straight from Joe T.
Emma and Joey:
Cliff Lee and Mariano Rivera are also probably both ahead of Mussina for consideration.
I’d rather have Mussina win CPotY and a World Series Ring
moose is just unbelievable. NUFF SAID!
Christian’s having a great day
Um, Al, you looked like total and complete garbage after that one outing against the Red Sox. You were cooked.
finally, Moose is pitching more like Jamie Moyer!! Hank, you’re a genius!
Christian’s telling Gardner to get his stuff together or he won’t be needed for long
“Del are you sneakily also Francis the Praying Mantis?”
i was going to ask the same….
An added bonus for this game: The Leiter jinx has been busted.
Dammit, why do these Yankee players keep doing so well in contract years? It’s win-win for everyone until Mussina wants $16 mil/year in the offseason
Ron
July 23rd, 2008 at 2:56 pm
“Moose is like: F You, I’m going to make you look like an idiot with a 69 mph curve.”
Too funny!
Rebecca,
Cliff Lee, you are correct. Mo, idk. I think if one closer should be considered it should be K-Rod. I love Mo as much as the next guy, but being a realist, the guy is on pace to break the saves record. But the league, in general, is a lot more relucctant to give it to relief pitchers, so i’d say Lee and Dicey are a head of Moose, but all three are very much in the thick of it
I think were gonna see more of Christian than Gardener the next few games because of how he played today. Isn’t Girardi all about the “if you produce you play” thing? I personally don’t care who’s playing left…just as long as we sweep Boston. But it does have to be someone who can handle the green monster.
Im bringing Benito Mussolini pictures to hang for his K’s in his next home start
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Cliff Lee, you are correct. Mo, idk. I think if one closer should be considered it should be K-Rod. I love Mo as much as the next guy, but being a realist, the guy is on pace to break the saves record. But the league, in general, is a lot more relucctant to give it to relief pitchers, so i’d say Lee and Dicey are a head of Moose, but all three are very much in the thick of it”
Edwar Ramirez has been a more effective pitcher this year than Francisco Rodriguez. True story.
Moose Win/BB ratio could improve to 13/16
Ray..Saucy….thats a big maybe
joey: The thing with saves, though, is that your team has to be leading by a certain margin to get them. As the Angels have won a lot more games than the Yankees, K-Rod has a lot more saves.
Statistically, though, Mo’s having the better season.
JoeyA,
Mo is having a much better year than K Rod. Saves are overrated.
Evan-
yea next time we structure contracts, lets try to get all of them to end on the same year. it really is pretty amazing what guys are capable of when it comes to having nowhere to go after a year and the almighty quest for $$$$. even Farnsworth, if he pitches like he has in his last 8-10 appearances, he makes a big case for another contract. Next thing you know, Pavano is gonna go 6-0 if he returns.
i don’t know if this is possible, but i would love to see the # of pitches Abreu sees, as compared to the league average.
christian shows that rookies can contribute at the mlb level and that brett doesnt belong here.
sorry brett, your a good kid.. but time to go home.
unfortunately, by bringing him up and showing how bad he is, his trade value just plummeted.
aww….man….this season is over. I’m glad that all new episodes of the Hills are coming on. I can’t take the rest of this season because it is sooooo over!!!!!!!!!
Pete -
Katie’s finally get to you, huh?
I agree – they should at the very least try a different version for a while. Mix it up. Surprise us all!
Rebecca,
Someone mentioned how the Angels have a lot more close games vs. the Yankees who’ve had some blowouts with garbage time for Hawkins, et al.
I see both of your points, but:
A. you can’t count that against K-Rod. his team wins more, so he saves more games. he does his job regardless.
B. saves, IMO, are overrated as ERA to me means more. but these guys are closers, and saves is, if not the most important stat, the second most important to ERA, so it would depend on who you ask and their personal preference
moose. This is unreal.
Does Gardners middle name start with a K…because it should brett K Gardner…thats what I see everytime I look next to his name on a box score.
as much as i hate it, i think the cy young voters have always put too much value in wins, followed by ERA.
i also have a hard time seeing a reliever get the Cy young award nowadays. especially if it’s Mo(a yankee). “it’s more of an award for starters” will be the excuse they give.
i also think the days of pitchers winning MVP is over.
Angels win a lot more close games, you mean
K-Rod has allowed 28 walks and 28 hits in 46 innings, with 47 Ks.
Mariano has allowed 4 walks and 24 hits in 44 innings, with 53 Ks.
Edwar Ramirez has allowed 14 walks and 21 hits in 36 innings, with 47 Ks.
Yeah. About that saves thing…
moose in the 8th with 90 pitches ! Joba hang around this guy a little bit more!
Gardner strikes out like he’s the big sexy, ryan howard and adam dunn…minus the power to hit balls out of the infield.
“Meanwhile, if the Yankees are going to insist on playing God Bless America every day, can they at least find another version? Kate Smith died 22 years ago.”
LOL so true.
Joe: Then consider: K-Rod has blown a save. Mo…well, I don’t want to jinx it.
“Nobody, even Mussina, throught this was possible. He’s the comeback player of the year.”
I thought only players who were injured like hell the previous season could win this award. Can a guy who was healthy for most of the season but terrible (like 2007 Moose) actually win Comeback Player of the Year? He’s not coming back from any injury.
“Say what you want about Richie Sexson but he’s been helpful so far and he’s a heck of a lot better at first base than Wilson Betemit late in a game. For $161,000, what harm is it? He’s certainly more helpful than Billy Traber.”
Yeah but the problem is that Sexson seems to be replacing Giambi, not Betemit. Sexson will not be useful if he is Giambi’s platoon partner. Sexson will only help the team if he takes at-bats away from Betemit, not Giambi. If they bench Giambi every time a lefty is on the mound, then Sexson will be hurting the team.
The key to the Angels is Jose Arredando, everyone thinks it’s K-Rod, but it really is Arrendando he gets the high leverage outings.
We still need another bat here unless people/mgmt are fooled by JC.
At the start of the day, Abreu was 6th in total pitches seen.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/leagu.....Frame=2008
Might the Moose be trying to go the CG route?
This has been a great start, nonetheless.
amazing how Gardner gets thrown out the window now that Christian got 2 hits lmao… You guys make me laugh… amazing..
all points taken. Joey 0 Field 1.
Yea, i second the finding a new God Bless America movement. its a crap recording as well, not the person, but the quality. i’m sure there are plenty of girls between 12-18 that would love to sing God Bless America. This is NY, aspiring singers pray for that opportunity
…I think the ump is just playing with Moose here.
great stats Ron…it’s all about perspective
A-Jax is 19 for his last 32 down in Trenton. I think we will see him in the Bronx by September.
I think Pete needs to read some of these comments once in a while.
Check his last post.
Didn’t we cover the Kate Smith thing a few days ago?
Are you stealing our ideas Pete?
ERAs:
Mo: 1.22
Edwar: 2.48
K-Rod: 2.20
The Yanks need Threets and Bill Hall.
please let Moose go CG
Rays one out away, but a runner on 1st. 4-3 game
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE – amazing job today
Oakland making it interesting. Down by one, last out.
Would God show up at K-rod’s press conference to help accept the Cy Young?
ahh leave him in!!!!
MOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSEEEEE!
105 pitches for the moooooooooossssssssseeeeee nice way to finish it with strike out!
The Truth: Hamilton wasn’t injured, either.
Moose won’t go for a CG because of his pitch count, I think, though he certainly deserves to try.
Great game, Moose!
He took off his cap to the crowd Brandon – he’s done.
Rays hold on for the W
moose = yankee 2008 MVP
No reason to burn the Moose out, bring in Giese or Hawkins to pitch the 9th.
lets try to manage …. i bring in veras now!
I cover my ears when Im at the stadium during the 7th inning stretch….horrilbe, just horrible. Its almost a mockery of the song the rendition is so bad. Please bring back Take Me Out To The Ball Game.
yeah that “God Bless America” thing everyday is kinda creepy. Like some “people’s reciever-like” mind control device
“i don’t know if this is possible, but i would love to see the # of pitches Abreu sees, as compared to the league average.”
4th in pitches per plate appearance: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....mp;minpa=0
Good point on Arredondo. In 25.2 innings, he’s allowed 8 walks, 15 hits, and struck out 25. Still not as good as Edwar, but not everybody can be released twice by the Angels.
A-Jax is 19 for his last 32 down in Trenton. I think we will see him in the Bronx by September.
Highly doubt it but I think he was batting .409 in July, he’s around .600 after the allstar break. He’ll finish in AAA. P.S. Tabata better still be here after the deadline.
CUYanks-
Thanks for that. Very interesting. A glaring point of that list is that the Yankees don’t have a single other guy in the top 50. I think that needs to change. If Giambi was everyday, i’m sure he’d be in there.
tampa won
I would think Mariano should pitch the 9th, since he hasn’t pitched since Sunday and tomorrow is an off day…..
comeback player of the year should be for anyone except those coming off of injury, IMO….
Al – no chance you see Veras tonight… Hawkins will finish it I think (Geise pitched last night). Only reason for pitching Geise would be because he is probably getting sent down tomorrow for Brunney
man – Punto really is slow to throw the ball
“I cover my ears when Im at the stadium during the 7th inning stretch….horrilbe, just horrible. Its almost a mockery of the song the rendition is so bad. Please bring back Take Me Out To The Ball Game.”
I think you may be covering your ears too long. They do play it…. right after G.B.A.
JoeT 28 in 09!!
i waana see shut out ball thats it!
Did Kay say goose eggs or moose eggs?
Moose for the Yankees game today = Santana for last nights game. I think pitch counts r identical as well, though we have a 5 run lead, they only had 2. I say leave the guy in, he’s a vet and only around 105. they do have the heart of the lineup, but Mussolini is on today. if he gets into trouble, yank him.
“Would God show up at K-rod’s press conference to help accept the Cy Young?”
Heh.
Oh, also, because I’m intrigued:
Scotty Shields: 39.2 innings, 33 hits, 14 walks, 43 strikeouts.
Darren O’Day: 33 innings, 36 hits, 11 walks, 20 Ks.
I don’t think I’m crazy to think the Yankees might have a better bullpen than the Halos. Especially with Farnsworth pitching out of his mind.
Armando Galaragga for Det um… pitching well thus far (still early though)
oh great. Hawkins is warming to come in and blow the shutout.
let moose finish it. too much emphasis on pitch counts, for the young guys i understand it but not for vets like Moose. plus were only talking maybe 120 total pitches if he gets to pitch the 9th.
I know the pitch count thing but really it’s 5-0 we got Boston on Friday can’t we let Moose go 9 IP here and save the pen ? Do we have to see Mr. Clean
Moose-eggs, Mel
Great job by Moose; time for Mo to get some work in?
This on Manny…
Manny Ramirez was out of Boston’s lineup Wednesday against the Seattle Mariners with what his manager said was a sore knee.
“Just showed up this morning. He just came in and said, ‘My right knee hurts,”‘ manager Terry Francona said hours before the Red Sox went for a series sweep.
When asked if the slugger will be back for Friday’s opener against the New York Yankees at Fenway Park, Francona said, “I’m hoping it’ll be all right Friday. I don’t know. I don’t really have a good answer for that. I hope so.”
Ramirez said his knee has been bothering him for about a week.
“The Truth: Hamilton wasn’t injured, either.”
Yeah but wasn’t Hamilton out of baseball for that season prior to last year? I guess my point is, I assumed the Comeback award was based on a Game Played requirement from the previous season. Moose played plenty of games in 2007 (compared to most starting pitchers) so I figured he wouldn’t be eligible to get the award.
Does anybody know what the requirements are, if any, to be eligible that award?
Okay, I was exaggerating for effect with Arredondo. His ERA is 1.05.
Though Edwar’s given up just 3 homers in more innings and has a lower BAA.
Just saying…
guys six in a row not bad!! Cano had 6 multi hits in a row!
A-rod seems to get going! The pitching is great! time for #27 baby!
Mussina is pitching himself smack into a 2 year 30 million dollar contract.
Unbelievable.
Don’t think for a second that a team like Boston won’t come sniffing after him next year since he’s a short term commitment.
I wonder if he’s in the Yanks plans for next year and if they’re willing to drop the dollars to retain him that he’s going to command.
This game is Mariano built with tomorrow off.
Hawkins is being showcased.
IMO, Moose’s tremendous 2008 has more than offset his sucky 2007, on a $ per $ basis.
Pete: I am in complete agreement on GBA. Over saturation makes thing lose their significance.
To Moose: I apologize from the bottom of my heart for assuming you were done, and saying so repeatedly before the season started. Congrats on what already is a brilliant season.
I swear, if you removed Billy Traber and LaTroy Hawkins from the bullpen ERA equation, we’re talking something like 3.20 overall.
Al – no chance you see Veras tonight… Hawkins will finish it I think (Geise pitched last night). Only reason for pitching Geise would be because he is probably getting sent down tomorrow for Brunney
if they keep Hawkins and demote Giese I will scream.
You know, when you got Hawkins pitching the ninth two games out of three…
I almost feel bad for Mo! He hasn’t gotten to pitch against the Twins all series!
But then we have him fresh for Boston, so it all works out.
Hawkins coming in…. maybe Geise isn’t going down for Brunney. No mo – leave him fresh for the Sox series this weekend… hopefully he gets 3 saves in a row at the Fen, show that papelbum how it’s done!!
My dog loses he GD mind every time she hears Kate Smith. I could win a contest if I taped it. She can be in a dead sleep and as soon as God Bless America starts, she runs to the TV and howls.
I swear, if you removed Billy Traber and LaTroy Hawkins from the bullpen ERA equation, we’re talking something like 3.20 overall.
don’t forget Ohlendorf, what a bust he’s been.
Giese should not be sent down he is better then Hawkins..
Rishi,
Thanks. Is he being clever or does he not know that the moose is a mammal?
If Moose wins 20 games this year, his karma will officially have changed, and the Yankees will win the world series.
when was the last time i guy didn’t make the allstar team and won the Cy young? i truthfully have no idea.
man I can’t stand Hawkins – get him off this roster ASAP
G. Love, Cano’s doing pretty well, isnt he?
Mr. Buckner, the visual there was hilarious. Thanks for the belly laugh.
There’s a lot of things for people to whibe and cry about in baseball, with the Yankees and in the world, but, Kate smith’s version of “God Bless America” isn’t one of them. Perhaps making snide remarks about Rodriguez’ personal life really does fit some people best.
Ah, forgot about Ross.
I’m not giving up on him. He looked downright filthy at times.
Looks like they’d be about thirteen games worse than they are right now.
there you go a lead off single
Mariano built? We’re up by 5, not a save situation…
don’t forget Ohlendorf, what a bust he’s been.
He’s the one that has disappointed me out of them all. It’s pretty funny w/o Hawkins and Ohlendorfh could this pen have been a 2.60 BP and remember alot of those IP were long relief innings.
Michael Kay reminding us YET AGAIN that no Yankee reliever is top 15 in appearances.
OKAY WE GOT IT THE FIRST TIME. That also goes in to the fact that they did a lot of shuttling around in the first two months of the season caling up and sending down guys like Albadalejo, Britton etc.
***whine and cry*** Hell, whine and cry about my typing skills if nothing else.
kate smith’s recording makes me think i should be watching some 1920’s disney cartoon. josh grobin’s version made me think i should be watching some 1990’s disney cartoon.
Oy Hawkins, outs please!
Who do you send down for Brunney then?
Top candidates IMO:
Justin Christian
Bret Gardner
Latroy Hawkins (DFA) or
Dan Geise
you can get rid of either Gardner of Christian as long as Damon is healthy enough to play the outfield. Hawkins hasn’t pitched terribly recently, and Dan Geise has also pitched very well, but a move does have to be made for Brunney. (As i say that Hawk throws one 45 feet to the backstop). If Damon is healthy I think we’re going to see Gardner go back down for a little bit in the end.
latroy is out there auditioning, trying to get his trade value up.
geez.. dont take so long to wrap this game up now..
if the yanks add a lefty.. who leaves from the pen. i assume giese, but hawkins should go.
“Michael Kay reminding us YET AGAIN that no Yankee reliever is top 15 in appearances.
OKAY WE GOT IT THE FIRST TIME. That also goes in to the fact that they did a lot of shuttling around in the first two months of the season caling up and sending down guys like Albadalejo, Britton etc.”
I mean, it only speaks to Joe Girardi’s greatest success as a manager.
Moose should have come out for the 9th on a batter by batter basis. He may of came out, and had a 10 pitch inning.
hawkins wants to be remembered before being dfa! but please dont blow it!
I could kick his ass right now
Keep Giese. As long as Ponson and Rasner are in the rotation, he may have his uses.
DFA Hawkins. There is literally no reason to keep him on the roster. We have no need for a garbage inning pitcher.
even hawkins hasn’t been bad in july. era of 3 going into this game
…You know, I’d be okay with the Yankees taking on Vidro if we can make Seattle take on Hawkins
NO REPEATS OF METS LAND LAST NIGHT
5 run lead is way too small for Hawkins to be pitching.
Great. Hawkins will force Girardi to use Rivera but that still won’t be enough to get him off the roster when Bruney gets back and Giese will still probably get sent down.
UGH!!!
Rebecca – I guess Hawkins feels bad for Mo too and wants him to pitch.
Moshe–Cano should be doing well. He took half the season off. His bat is well rested.
Imagine how many games we’d be ahead in 1st if Cano showed up for April, May and June.
Why is this guy still here.I rather have a hurt Chris Britton.Unbelievable.
LaTroy sucks.
Nasty?
ok – one more out and let’s go
OK CAN HAWK GET THE FINAL OUT BEFORE ALLOWING A RUN …STAY TUNED
and here comes MO…
….Hawkins, that was totally not cool.
S.O.B.
the PC Richards whistling after a K is annoying and stupid.
Bring in Mo!!
good lord…Hawkins needs to not give up runs if he still wants to play
This is why we shoulda put Moose in. worst case scenario, he does this and we take him out, but at least it’s forgivable with Mussina. Hawkins ‘08 = Farnsworth ‘07
that wasn’t a bad pitch though, just slapped it to left. And here’s Joe G.. told u mo was coming
Hawkins is the worst man in the pen. Anybody could have done this, except for LaTroy.
tell me if i am wrong moose only had one deep fly today . the rest out was strike outs or infield outs (not talking about hits)
Anyone know the Yankees’ record since Mr. Giese was called up?
Ballplayers are very superstitious.
Hawkins is pretty bad.
he blew the shut out GDI
He just wanted to set up a save situation for Mo
Yeah seriously, I thought the rule was up 10 or down 10 for Hawkins to be pitching? This Hawkins performance is WELL worth it if he gets released. It would be asinine to not release him when Bruney comes back. Let’s see, who should they take off the team, the guy Giese who’s been great, or the guy Hawkins who’s been god awful. Doesn’t seem like a very tough decision.
John in Ohio,
What was funnier is that it took me a couple of times before I realized what she was barking at.
I kept looking outside asking her what she saw (she’s a beagle, so she’s quick to alert if someone is outside).
Now Mo comes in.
WOW. Hawkins is worthless and yet the Yankees still won’t dump him. Unbelievable. Girardi is loyal to a fault.
Look at the bright side here folks….today’s performance by Hawkins earned him his DFA when Bruney comes back.
Silver lining!
to be honest, he could have gotten the last out – I think this has more to do with Mo’s saves total
UH OH it’s Rivera with a lead larger than 3!!!
why mo now not earler? bad managing by joe! i said veras not mo needs to get an out !
5-0 and labumb can’t get it done……..
D-F-A
D-F-A
D-F-A
so much for trying to increase hawkins’ trade value. It’s pretty much dog doo right now.
Might as well just dfa him and eat his salary.
Though, coming in with a 4 run lead doesn’t count as a save opportunity, right?
I seriously would have liked to be in that meeting with the Yankees when they discussed signing Hawkins. Who could have possibly thought that was a good idea?
Hawk wants his name in that last score card. Man I looked at Girardi’s face he looked like he wanted to say 3 outs man WTF you can’t do that ?
G. Love, I agree that Cano killed us. I am just pointing to the fact that those who wanted him traded have quieted down.
Al, no mo earlier because they thought he bum could get 3 outs without blowing a 5 run lead. Now Mo throws 3 or 4 pitches and game over..
3 runs or less is a save opportunity.
it’s a save opportunity since the tying run is on deck
I love Mo.
If you guys want to see something interesting, check out the Detroit KC game.
THAT A BOY MO!!
Mo’s like: enough of this crap, I want to go home.
Another great game by Moose and the Yanks. The Yanks are on a roll – bring on Boston!
blargh, it might. has to do with tying or go ahead run being on-deck. and as i type that, kay said it’s mo’s 25th save… so yes..
what a waste for mo. The fact that he has to get up and throw. I never thought I’d say this, but Hawkins is actually more worthless than Farnsworth.
kkk ball game over yankees win
THAT’S how you do Hawkins. Pay attention you worthless pile of dog poo.
Thank you, Mo. Hawkins better be the one gone when Bruney comes back. Ugh.
A-Rod acknowledging his Sammy Sosa moment.
Hawkins is like a bad rash.
Hoorah for Moose and Mo.
G. Love, I agree that Cano killed us. I am just pointing to the fact that those who wanted him traded have quieted down.
They always do.
Great Game! Things to take away:
Cano is definitely back on track
Please DFA Hawkins. if he can’t pitch a scoreless inning in this situation, he never will
Christian had a good game, but let’s not announce the next coming yet. Get off Gardner’s back. Garnder had a 2-3 game a few games ago also.
Teams are so reliant on pitch counts to the point of fault. it’s actually ridiculous. we used 2 relievers in a situation we could have used our starter in.
hitting refresh repeatedly on the MLB News page. expecting the words DFA and Hawkins to be used in the same headline any second now.
Go Mo!
And I shall stand by the Hawkins just wanted to set up a save opportunity for Mo statement then… (.(
LOL. FSN Kansas City has the information scrolling across the top of the screen. Great job, guys.
It might be a good thing after all for Mo to pitch. He hasn’t pitched all series and there’s an off day tomorrow anyway. Besides, he only threw 4 pitches.
Not a good week to be a Royals fan
Mussina and remarkable, synonomous I think.
JoeyA – I couldn’t agree more with the pitch counts – Moose had an easy 100 pitches (easy meaning he didn’t have 20 and 30 pitch innings) he definitely had another 15 effective pitches in his arm to finish the game and has an extra day off before his next start because of the off day.
hitting refresh repeatedly on the MLB News page. expecting the words DFA and Hawkins to be used in the same headline any second now.
When is it a good week to be a Royals fan???
A tribute to Latroy.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XcYsO890YJY
GoodBye LaTroy…don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out !
im so thankful people agree with me about the stupid god bless america every game. it’s brutal to listen to, unnecessary, and tired at this point. we get it – the yankees are patriotic and god loving. there’s other ways to get that across without making us suffer every seventh inning.
Mo gets a save. Was the tying run up?
good point, Sunny – let’s just saw worse than usual week to be a Royals fan
Brandon,
Try not to be so smug about Cano. For the first 3 months of this season he was literally one of the worst offensive regulars in baseball.
I only wanted to trade him for an Ace type starting pitcher and I still would if the opportunity presented himself.
He may be playing like an All Star now, but he wasn’t an all star a few weeks ago and has now shown a terrible habit of tanking the first half of the season again.
Is he playing amazing now? Absolutely. I hope he’s the difference that puts us into 1st.
If we miss 1st place or the wild card by a few games, no one will be able to convince me that Cano’s disappearing act earlier this season didn’t have a huge impact in us not making the post season.
He’s finally playing like he was paid to play. It’s about time.
LaToilet.
Let’s eat the 1.5 owed to him, and move on. I understand why we took a chance at him in the offseason as he had a decent season last year with CO, however he has been pure crap with us.
As for the lineup, once Damon works himself back into LF…I see a DH platoon of Gardner, Christian, Betemit, and either Giambi/Sexson depending who isnt on first.
This isnt terrible.
I still would like to see a Nady or a Bay in LF for this year, but we can live with the above so long as their pitching stays solid.
TKinDC – Tying run on deck
Yanks pen is fully rested for Boston. We need to exploit our margins vs them in regards to middle relief. We have some of the best, they have some of the worst.
Robertson, I feel, is quickly becoming Joe’s most trusted guy outside of Mo.
royals fans should pray that that statue of george brett outside their stadium comes alive….its their only hope…what a horrible franchise theyve become. its a shame, once they were a top notch baseball team.
Send Hawkins to the Mexican Leagues he stinks
A tribute to Latroy.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XcYsO890YJY
That was hilarious. Big time LOLS.
Thanks Rishi – I guess I should have asked the sportswriter Holtzman who invented the stat – he’s not returning my calls.
I am generally against the DFA idea for anyone if we have the option of keeping them on the roster. But seriously, Hawkins has got to go. He brings nothing to the table. We already have a mop-up man (giese), he’s pitching way better than Hawkins, and he has minor league options. Just cut Hawkins already.
Im not sure how we could upgrade catcher..Id say Molina 4-5x per week with Moeller the rest including Rasners starts.Once Damon is clear for LF Gardner or Christian becomes his defensive replacement/Pinch Runner.Bruney takes La Troys roster spot….bye bye.Were starting to gel and pick up ground.This weekend its time to make a statement.
What a streak, leap frogged Oakland and now Minne. No qualms about the bullpen management from me. Joe tried Hawk, who’s been better and then threw Mo, who just had 2 days off and is off tomorrow.
Agreed on God Bless America, stop shoving it down our throats.
All talking about picking up a C and that Molina is fine are missing the point.
It’s not Molina to be concerned about, except if he has to play too much and wears down. We’d be replacing Moeller – who, contrary to the belief of most here who have gotten some kind of favorable impression from his 10 AB’s in the last 2 months (exagerating!), is basically worthless. He’s okay behind the dish, but if we need someone to catch 2 days a week, I’d prefer a better bat. Molina could come in late for D 2-3 times a week, start 3-5, and we’d be much better off.
And Jorge is a better option in Cash’s mind than the alternative bats for DH, not as a C, and I’m sure they’d limit his 1B appearances as well. If he can get the pain and inflammation down, and can hit, even if not for the same power as before, and Matsui is in fact done, than Cash might be right.
But that’s a lot of if’s, and still leaves us with Gardner or Christian in LF or on the bench. I’m okay with Christian in that role. Gardner needs to keep playing and developing, so he should go back to Scranton if Damon gets to where he can handle LF. That’s assuming no light bulb goes on for Gardner in the next week and he starts hitting.
I’d still prefer a righty OF with some pop instead. Getting somebody like that should be the goal. It doesn’t take the other options off the table. I still prefer Nady – best combination of cost and performance, plus OF – including RF – and 1B flexibility for next year. But if Pitt remains stubborn in overdemanding, walk away. Only team in the AL that should also be after him is Tampa. Oakland could really use him, but will they bother after dropping 5 of 6 to contenders and trading 2 key SP’s? Both have the chips, and there are likely some NL suitors too. Would you give up Aceves and Claggett, or one of those plus Suttle and a PTBN (Horne or Marquez) for him? That would be a great deal for Pitt, but they’ll probably keep asking for more. Idiots!
Brandon – you commented yesterday about why do they want Suttle in Texas. He went to U Tx.
From the ESPN/AP write-up for today’s game:
“Up next is a trip to Boston, with the Yankees taking their mediocre 23-23 road record into Fenway Park for three games starting Friday.”
Mediocre????
Only one team in the American League has a winning road record and that is the Angels.
We are the only AL team at .500 on the road.
The second best road record in the American League (T-4th in all of MLB) is NOT “mediocre”
Steve, you beat me RIGHT to the punch. I love it when these writers find a medium to throw subtle jabs at the Yankees without actually doing their research. If Howie Rumberg had actually done his homework, he’d realize that the Yanks are the AL’s 2nd best road team, behind the Angels. The Red Sox? 23-32. The Rays? 19-25.
I think trying Posada at first makes a lot of sense. Next year the Yankees need to choose between over-spending on Mark Teixara (note- Puljos makes $13.5M– who’s better?)or bringing back stone gloved Giambi, hopefully at much less than $23M per year. If Posada works out at first, it opens the door to guys like Rod Barajas or Miguel Olivio in a platoon role with Molina. Now I realize neither of those guys add much with that bat but they do all have >30% career cuaght stealing marks and Posada at $13M is much less than Teixara will cost you.
A potential 2009 lineup
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF (albeit $16M is too much for Abreu at this point)
A_Rod 3b
Matsui DH
Posada 1b
Cano 2b
Cabrera/Gardner or Jackson CF (or Mark Kotsay as free agent)
Molina/Barajas/Olivio
The hell with ESPN.
Joe G’s face when he took the ball from Hawkins seemed to say alot. I think Brandon pointed that earlier. He looked disgusted/feeling kind of bad for the guy/disappointed.
Like a kid coming down for christmas and finding out there is no santa because Dad electrocuted himself on the Xbox.
And ease up on Hawkins. A run in a mop up appearance. Actually gave Mo a chance to throw a bit after warming and finally getting a cheap save. No big deal.
The runs he’s give up in his last 2 appearances were meaningless. Prior to today, take away his 3 outings against the O’s (he just can’t pitch when Baltimore is involved) and the early April debacle against the Rays (total of 4 of his 32 appearances, 2 IP 14 ER) and his numbers would be fine. He’d have 38.1 IP, 11 ER, 1.02 WHIP, 2.58 ERA!
He’d actually be an okay pick up for somebody needing extra righty relief since the Yanks would probably have to pick up most of his salary and get little for him. Maybe Boston would like him! There seriously should be an NL team interested. Pittsburgh could really use him, he might be better than just about any righty they’ve got in their pen. But his other horrific outing was against them (take that 2.2 IP, 7 H, 4 ER out too and he’s statistically lights out!), so they’re probably not impressed. The Brewers seem to like pen righties that seemed washed up – they’ve got Gagne, Mota and Solomon Torres active. And they just picked up Ray Durham. They like the older guys.
But he’s likely to just get released. Then some other fans can tell themselves what a smart move picking him up for peanuts was – like us with Sexson. The “new kid in town” syndrome. Since we’re paying him either way, I’d keep him around for the blowouts. But the pen is full with Bruney returning so someone’s got to go, and no one else deserves to.
Is this place for real? The Yankees complete a their second sweep in a row, and all I see multiple posts of people bitching about LaTroy Hawkins?
Jesus on a muffin. :O