Game 102: Yankees at Red Sox
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- July
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YANKEES (56-45)
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Molina C
Gardner LF
Chamberlain RHP
RED SOX (60-43)
Ellsburg LF
Pedroia 2B
Ortiz DH
Youkilis 1B
Lowell 3B
Drew RF
Lowrie SS
Varitek C
Crisp CF
Beckett RHP
Joba Chamberlain (2-3, 2.52) vs. the Boston hitters.
Josh Beckett (9-6, 3.98) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees have won six straight and 11 of 14. They are a solid 23-23 on the road but have lost four of their last five away from the Bronx. … The Red Sox are coming off a three-game sweep in Seattle.
BECKETT AND THE BOMBERS: Beckett is 3-0, 3.92 ERA against the Yankees this season. He had been 4-3 prior to this season with a 6.65 ERA.
DAMON SINCE THE DL: Johnny Damon is 2 for 11 since he came off the disabled list. But playing at Fenway could be just what he needs to get going.
YANKEES IN THE SWING: Derek Jeter is 8 of 24 with four RBI and four extra-base hits. … A-Rod has eight RBI in the last six games. … Robbie Cano is 14 of 27 with 7 RBI and 5 runs scored since the break. He has gone from .246 to .265.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 6:11 p.m.: Manny Ramirez was in the lineup and was scratched just before BP. Suffice it to say, Red Sox fandom is displeased.
Meanwhile, lots of news from Brian Cashman:
* Phil Hughes will throw two innings in the GCL on Monday. He will soon be activated off the DL and optioned. Cashman would not predict whether Hughes would return to the majors. Cash said that teams are clamoring for Hughes in trade talks but he will not deal him.
* Carl Pavano is scheduled to start a GCL game on Tuesday. Assuming he is not attacked by bees first or gets a sunburn.
* Ross Ohlendorf has pitched so well as a starter for Scranton that he is being considered as a starter again.
* Cashman is not optimistic about making a trade. “But it only takes one call.” He drove up to Boston today and was on the phone the entire time.
* On the subject of Barry Bonds, Cashman would not rule it out because he never rules anything about. But he said he has not spoken to Jeff Borris, Bonds’ agent. So it’s not happening and never was.
* Brian Bruney needs more work on his velocity and command before they bring him back.
UPDATE, 6:32 p.m.: Cashman said he has faith in Molina and Moeller to catch the rest of the season. Finding a catcher is not high on his list.
UPDATE, 7:14 p.m.: Here is Joe Girardi’s pre-game media session:
UPDATE, 7:33 p.m.: It would seem that starting at Fenway for the first time is not going to shake up Joba Chamberlain. He fanned Ortiz and Youkilis to end the first inning. This has all the makings of a great matchup with these two guys pitching. The Yankees need to make Beckett work, which they did in the first inning.
UPDATE, 7:47 p.m.: Wow, two terrific defensive plays that inning by the Yankees. It’s like a new Robbie Cano came back from the Dominican.
UPDATE, 7:51 p.m.: Not sure what to make of this yet. But Phil Coke pitched an inning for Trenton (striking out the side) then was pulled from the game. Might he be on the move for somebody?
8:09 p.m.: THE YANKEES HAVE MADE A TRADE:
OF Xavier Nady and LHP Damaso Marte from Pittsburgh for OF Jose Tabata, RHP Ross Ohlendorf, LHP Phil Coke and RHP George Kontos.
TRADE ANALYSIS, 8:40 p.m.: This is a smart move for the Yankees. Nady gives the lineup a right-handed hitting boost with Matsui and Posada out and unlikely to return. Even if Posada comes back, his shoulder problem clearly was hampering his hitting.
Nady can play left field, allowing Damon to DH. Marte slides into the bullpen, giving the Yankees what is right now the best unit in the league.
Tabata, while only 20, has not hit for power and was a discipline problem this season. Ohlendorf is a No. 5 starter type or a set-up man. Coke has pitched well the last two seasons but you have to give up something to get something.
Neither Coke or Kontos were among the team’s A-list prospects, although Coke was moving up fast.
Getting Nady also serves as a hedge to letting Abreu leave as a free agent as he is under control through 2009. I don’t see the downside to this move beyond risking what those kids might become.
UPDATE, 9:16 p.m.: Well, you knew that was coming. I get that Joba doesn’t like Youkilis, nobody does. But in a 1-0 game in the seventh inning, why start something?
But you have to like how Joba gets after it. The Yankees need a guy like this atop their rotation.
UPDATE, 9:48 p.m.: Joba’s seven innings were a career high, hence Farnsworth.
But even Girardi and all his boundless faith had Rivera warming up and now he’s in. It would be the second five-out save of the season for Mo if he can get it.
UPDATE, 9:54 p.m.: All hail the great Rivera. Eight pitches, crisis over.
UPDATE, 10:10 p.m.: Terrific game. Seven straight for the Yankees, one behind Boston in the loss column and Joba has established himself as a beast.
With the trade and this win, it’s a very good day for the pinstripes.
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TBA=TheBostonArses
Pete, funny…you say 23-23 is solid and the AP says that is mediocre…..me thinks the AP is a bunch of Yankee Haters….hmmmmm ?
This season, 23-23 on the road is excellent.
And I am NOT starting Beckett on my fantasy team tonight – Yankees score 4 in the 1st, babee!
joba needs to stop walking people
our offense will catch up to beckett
If his last two starts are any indication I think Joba has learned to stop walking people.
This a GUARANTEED WIN for the Yankees tonight….I will have no access to watch, see or track the game online….Beckett gets whacked around, Youk gets one in the mouth and Joba gets the win ! BOOK IT, DAN-O !
23-23 on the road is good for 2nd best in the AL.
Also, the Yankees seem to like playing Boston in the second half of the season. For whatever reason.
Pleasant memories ffrom last August and September.
These games (not necessarily these three, but these games against Boston and Tampa they have left) are where the division is one and lost.
You can bet the Yankees will play like it.
“joba needs to stop walking people”
Huh?
Someone Else: The way karma works, you have to start Beckett tonight if you want a Yankees win.
“joba needs to stop walking people
our offense will catch up to beckett”
In his last 2 starts he has walked a grand total of one.
Sj, I reallly liked your last post.. On the prospect front I am not saying gardner is the next great leadoff hitter, I rather doubt it.. But my eyes do not lie, he can fly.. His past stats show he can get on base at a very nice level, he has not done that yet as a pro but all these players beside Al Kaline need some time.
I am all for trading prospects for moves that make sense long term.. When I look at this team unless they get Wang back and possibly hughes and get some help offensivley(exisitng players play better) or make a trade this team does not look like a Championship team.. I would love to be wrong but that is my take..
If Damon can get back on the field, they get another real bat, or if Gardner can pick it up significantly, and if they deal with there bad 4 and 5 starter then they have a chance..Those are a lot of if’s and Washbum, to me solves nothing. Trading Gardner or Melky for what I have heard so far is foolish, and again the under lyng goal has to be to get younger, improve financial flexibility, and continue to improve there minor league long term talent…
Beckett’s going headhunting tonight! Gay Rod is going down along with Jeter (there’s a Jeter on my peter whack it off, Whack it off!). YEEEHAWWW.
boston is
ped
youk
ortiz
manny
lowell
drew
lowrie
tek
ellsbury
Nothing like Home Cooking for the Sox! I got ths Sox –
1 1/2 runs and (Cleveland) Cliff Lee -1 1/2 runs for a $100 parlay. Both aces are going to trounce their opposition.
Rebecca,
Having a few problems setting up my blog.
Can I e-mail you with a few of my questions?
Joe – “Gay Rod?”
What are you three?
Joe, you are a moron.
Papi and Manny going back to back 1’st inning. Going to give the Rookie a wake up call!
I think Joes gay rconn23.
“Nothing like Home Cooking for the Sox! ”
cause they suck on the road… that toilet is your only hope.
Lets hope Alex and Robi have a normal Friday night. This is a weekend series in Boston alot of Annies out there.
Joe=Winner of the earliest, dumbest BoSux troll to start talking trash at a Yankees Blog before pitch one is thrown and his team goes DOWN IN FLAMES….Adios, Ding Dong !
Yeah like Pukiless, Rconn?
Maybe so, But the Yanbkees are looking up at them.
Joe, you are a moron.
He’s not a moron he’s in the closet.
I don’t think so Don. That’s why Beckett is an ace. side bet?
“Joe=Winner of the earliest, dumbest BoSux troll to start talking trash at a Yankees Blog before pitch one is thrown and his team goes DOWN IN FLAMES….Adios, Ding Dong !”
well, “TBA=TheBostonArses” isnt what you’d call quality comedy material
Clay/Joe: Go for it. rebecca@puristbleedspinstripes.com
1 walk in past 2 starts were against oak & tor
you could say bos is different + being in bos
I just read Chad Jennings write-up on IPK’s last start –
I’m not sure whether to be happy he is pitching well or just skip that stage and brace myself for when comes back up to the big club and nibbles for 5 innings.
I can see it now. Every game on this blog, “he’s getting squeezed”. One thing about this blog is it’s so predictable.
“One thing about this blog is it’s so predictable.”
like trolls
the beckett = ace thing is funny
1 good year (2007) doesn’t = ACE
you need at least a few years of domination to be called that
Hey Rich, You wanna a piece of me ? “Frank Costanza”
if Kennedy’s value is high, move him for the right player, now.
1. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
2. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. J.D. Drew, RF
7. Jed Lowrie, SS
8. Jason Varitek, C
9. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
SP — Josh Beckett
From Boston.com
Joe is an idiot.
The Yankees will win tonight but to see how overmatched Brett Gardner will look against Beckett will be enough to turn stomachs.
Man, Beckett is such an ace. That 3.98 ERA is awesome!
You should worry about IPK. In the meanwhile the Sox rookies Lester and Buchholz threw No Hitters!
Damon’s 2-11, but he was 0-4 one game..he was fine the other two.
You knoe Micheal Kay is speaking about deals the Yankees should make, does he have the cojones to ask for Milton Bradley
know (I’m sorry I was distracted)
“Hey Rich, You wanna a piece of me ? “Frank Costanza†”
Listen Jeter, If there is one guy you want pitching in the playoffs it’s Beckett. Do your homework.
1. Dustin Pedroia, 2B…Rat Boy…an O-Fer
2. Kevin Youkilis, 1B….Drilled in the ear, out for the year
3. David Ortiz, DH….Lone Home Run…
4. Manny Ramirez, LF….Strikes out looking each AB
5. Mike Lowell, 3B…..bloop single…
6. J.D. Drew, RF…..walk…..
7. Jed Lowrie, SS….are you kidding me ??
8. Jason Varitek, C…..K,K,K,K….
9. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF….More Ks here
“The Yankees don’t let their homegrown players walk away from the team. They’ve never operated like that and I doubt they ever will.â€
there has never been a time like this before in baseball. that’s why a team like cleveland that had the perfect model two years ago is temporarily out of touch with market conditions.
cashman has never done a youth movement before. how does anyone including him know how he’s going to deal with free agents at 26 years old 4 years from now?
the smart way to deal with this kind of newness, uncertainty, and changing conditions is to come up with solutions for multiple scenarios and be covered for all possibilities.
that’s why the yankees need someone more qualified to run the yankees. cashman doesn’t have that kind of experience or ability.
one battle the red and and yankees will have over the next 5 years will be who has the most ability to deal with multiple possibilities and scenarios the game will take. for instance, who would have thought things were going to turn towards speed 5 years ago?
Oh My God
Francessa said he would give up Hughes, Jackson, Melky for Nate NcClouth.
And when Sweeny suggested Joba or Cano/Hughes, Mike kind of hesitates before saying no
TKinDC -
You won’t see IPK anytime soon. If he’s not part of a deal, he’ll be a September callup.
OK, Got to head to the game. You guy’s have fun bitching about the umpire, because that’s what you do best!
OK,
QUESTION: How Many High School Graduated Sux Fans can you fit into a phone booth ???…..Answer….Both of them !
Francessa would trade Hughes and Jackson for McLouth, he’s not joking.
Beckett’s not an ace.
That said, like Andy Pettitte, he comes up big in important games. Which just makes me like him even less.
Lester is having a great season All the more to him for doing it so soon after chemo.
Buchholz has not impressed me yet.
Joba doesn’t need to throw a no hitter to be an ace. If he goes out there every game and ends the season pitching to a 2.52 ERA, I’ll have no room to complain.
Joba’s 22 years old–younger than both Lester and Buchholz. He’ll have plenty of time to improve.
Stuart,
I don’t disagree with your take.
Here’s my point. You want to tweak the team to make a run? Great.
Impact 2009 trying to chase 2008? Absolutely not under ANY circumstances.
If you are Tampa, Milwaukee or some other franchise that has not won, you can go for it.
The Yankees? You don’t impact the following season, when they will be very good if they don’t do something dumb, to save this year.
You just don’t run a big market team that way. Especially the Yankees.
Just look at the 80’s as proof how not to do things.
That’s why it won’t happen here, regardless of the pinings of guys like Francesa, Madden and some fans.
Hey Joe, Have fun watching your team get spanked and make sure that you join the mass of idiots with your Yankees Suck chant even though you are losing badly….got it, Schmedley ???
Hey Hey. Where’s all the class? Name calling, that’s not like you guys.
runalong and go play with the other dolts, Little Joey, the big people are going to have a grown-up talk now….
The Yankees will win tonight but to see how overmatched Brett Gardner will look against Beckett will be enough to turn stomachs.
He didn’t look overmatched against papelbon…
Listen Jeter, If there is one guy you want pitching in the playoffs it’s Beckett. Do your homework.
Not this year. The guy didn’t even make the All-star game. That puts like 10 pitchers ahead of him on my list. Sabathia, Zambrano, Halladay, etc. He has good numbers in the playoffs, but that doesn’t mean he’ll automatically “show up” when the time comes. You really think that Beckett during a mediocre year is the best playoff pitcher? You go do some homework, troll.
PS– Loved the Gay-Rod comment. It’s just as funny as the first time everybody heard it 5 years ago. Really. Comedy gold. (/sarcasm)
I agree Sj.. Give up 2nd tier prospects.. Fat boy is talking about hughes, ajax, and more for Mclouth.. Yankee fans have no appreciation for prospects…
They need Pittsburgh to become more realistic…….Again Nady is a upgrade but he is far far from a star.. Bay is a legit very good player and a righty..If he can be get for some pitching talent I do it… Pitt. has a stud OF in the minors so maybe pitching will do it…
I also think a addtl. catcher will help, Molina cannot hit at all…
Good thing the Sox are batting the NL pitcher 8th. Now Joba has a nice landing spot towards the end of the lineup.
joe,
beckett may be a gamer, but he’s not an ace – think about it
rookies? do you know how many pitchers threw a no-hitter, but didn’t amount to anything
lester? doing fine this year, but 4.6era last year, and it wasn’t his first
buccholz? good stuff, but he’s at 5.8era right now
why people talk trash on other peoples’ blogs is just strange .. wouldn’t you want to hang around your own peeps?
(rhetorical) … don’t really care for your answer
From Chad Jennings:
“Leading into these past two starts, Kennedy worked with pitching coach Rafael Chaves in the bullpen, fixing a slight mechanical problem. Kennedy said he was throwing across his body a little bit, so he moved his plant foot slightly and it’s made all the difference in the world, especially with his fastball location.
“He’s been working hard,” Chaves said. “He thought he was throwing across his body just a tad, so we got him aligned and he’s been able to stay out front with it. He’s able to locate better, and that’s the key. He’s able to throw his pitches over the plate, and his breaking ball is getting better, and he’s always had a tremendous changeup.”"
I think I might want to wait a bit; let his breaking pitches develop a little longer. Though I’m liking the outcomes so far.
“that’s why the yankees need someone more qualified to run the yankees. cashman doesn’t have that kind of experience or ability.”
There aren’t many GM’s that have been with their current team longer than Cashman – and Theo got it done w/o experience.
This is just more anti-CashMoney propaganda.
Don Vito A. Bellamo, you’re the biggest A–Hole here, so step off already, you Pus.
Kennedy was rushed last year. Hope he takes his time now and gets everything perffect. I the Yankees were to move him, however, there would be no time better than right now.
Still, though, you can’t label him a bust after one bad spring.
I hope Damon kept the broom he was doing practice swings with…..I smell a sweep!! Give Joba some runs tonight!!!
“You won’t see IPK anytime soon. If he’s not part of a deal, he’ll be a September callup.”
Aren’t Ponson (Sunday and Friday) and Rasner (Monday and Saturday) each scheduled to get 2 starts this coming week? You could potentially (barring Jarrod Washburn) see IPK sooner than September if he follows his almost no-no up with a 4th straight good start. He still seems next in line for a call-up, even if McCutchen and Aceves are in the picture.
SJ44,
There you are. Haven’t seen you on here lately, but I guess I just missed your posts.
I’m on board with your theory. Don’t sacrifice the next few years for the sake of 2008 (and winning in the final year of the Stadium).
People need to get over not chasing Santana or Sabathia.
Olney spoke very favorably of CC’s handling of the recent trade –
he said he was very well liked by his teammates in Cleveland, that he showed up early in Milwaukee to be in the dugout the night before he debuted and that he has been dominant on the field.
It was encouraging to hear he isn’t a prima donna – since he will be in pinstripes next year.
Well, at least you guys are talkin trash about the Sox instead of discussing Barry Bonds.
Joe’s visit was valuable.
It should remind everyone to not feed the trolls this weekend. I know it’s tempting but if you type out a response and then delete it, you feel better and they go away sooner than if you hit submit.
TKinDC,
On CC in the Bronx, its nice to dream, but don’t get your hopes up.
“He’s been working hard,†Chaves said. “He thought he was throwing across his body just a tad, so we got him aligned and he’s been able to stay out front with it. He’s able to locate better, and that’s the key. He’s able to throw his pitches over the plate, and his breaking ball is getting better, and he’s always had a tremendous changeup.—
Eiland couldn’t do this ?
pat,
Exactly.
They come on here for one reason. I will say, however, that there are a few that actually add something decent to the conversation instead of running off insults for the sake of reaction.
AMEN pat!!!
It could be a long weekend on the blog is people dignify trolls with the attention they beg for (pathetic SOBs)
I think russ m should be reinstated for this one series, JUST for fun.
The Mad Prince in Pinstripes -
It isn’t a dream – it is a question of who is able to write the biggest check.
That would be the New York Yankees. It isn’t even close.
Enough about Beckett guys. He is an ace. He could have easily won the Cy Young award last year.
He’s a dominating strikeout pitcher and he has a big game track record.
Point to his ERA all you want, his peripherals are still excellent – just about the same level as last year.
The Red Sox have plenty of players on their roster and throughout their farm system who are overated, (Bowden, Ellsbury, Dice-K) Beckett is not one of them.
The Yankees put Joba Chamberlain in the rotation so he can be that type of ace. Once Joba learns to be efficient with his pitches and cuts down the walks, he will meet or exceed Beckett, IMO.
As a frequent reader but not poster here, I’ve got to agree. Don Vito you seem to resort to name calling more often than not. Just do your part to maintain some civility on this blog. Why respond to trolls at all? why don’t you just igore them.
TK,
Of course you’re right in terms of the Yankees’s ability to spend the most.
BUT, I think there is something to be said for the consistent indications over the past 6 months that Sabathia prefers to pitch on the West Coast and/or for an NL team. I don’t really believe that he has this burning urge to bat every outing, but I definitely buy into the location preference.
We’ll see, but I’m not counting on it.
Manny scratched from lineup, sorry if this is already posted…see http://www.boston.com
TK,
Let me say that I am definitely not against getting CC. I’d love to have him, used to watch him pitch in high school when he threw 95 as a senior and dunked on my HS team in bball.
Manny scratched from lineup, sorry if this is already posted…see
I’m not surprised.
I don’t know why everyone’s expecting Sabathia will be in pinstripes next year.
He’s pitching so well in Milwaukee–which is a contending team–he may just want to stay there. He even gets to hit as a bonus–Moose has to content himself with BP!
That said, if he wanted to put on pinstripes, I’d welcome him.
No ManRam? GREAT CALL BRANDON!
Brandon
Are you Miller and Bobcat?
“joba needs to stop walking people”
Someone’s been listing to fatso and fruitcake a little bit too much. Are they still going on about how Joba hasn’t been that great since entering the rotation?
Michael Kay making sense.
“Yankees need to be able to scout their own system. And pick out which players, are not as good as what other teams think.”
the front office needs to prove this. They haven’t yet. At the same time, the regime hasn’t had the opporunities until now. Now that the prospects are near ready.
“He’s pitching so well in Milwaukee–which is a contending team–he may just want to stay there. ”
uh huh…
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/c_c_sabathia_prince_fielder_keep
by the way, Kay was talking about knowing which players on the team to trade.
D.J.-Someone that didn’t like you may end up calling you a fargin’ corksucker, FYI.
CC’s shutout of the Cards on Wednesday night was definitely impressive. He almost looked as if he was toying with them. He was still hitting 96 on the gun in the ninth inning. He made Pujols look like a nobody as his bat went flying. He hasn’t shown the signs of decline that Santana was showing last season. His velocity hasn’t dropped one bit, like Santana’s did.
The biggest contract the BrewCrew has ever written was Ryan Braun’s. They have to pony up to try keep Prince (the 300 lb vegan).
The Brewers total payroll is $81M and the owner was complaining about losing money this year (although to his credit he said he was happy to lose money this year)
Brent, I was very happy with the result, but Gardner’s 20-hopper up the middle doesn’t demonstrate handling someone. Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good. I have hopes for gardner and am prepared to be patient, but he has toproduce more or he shopuld be gaining experience in Scranton. In the playoffs when pitching rosters can be shortened and a great pinch-runner can make a difference there’s a spot for him. And he can come back in Sept. But it’s time to step it up or go down again. Christian makes more sense as the last bench OF if Damon can get on the field and allow for another DH.
Brandon
Are you Miller and Bobcat?
No I just know people close to Manny.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/07/manny_scratched.html
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Manny scratched
Email|Link|Comments (0) Posted by Amalie Benjamin, Globe Staff July 25, 2008 04:30 PM
Manny Ramirez has been scratched from tonight’s lineup. More coming soon …
Brandon, good stuff on the Manny news.
Brandon: Thanks much for the info!
I wonder if Manny is available to ‘pinch hit’?
Tony Pena Sr. must had been proud:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xwgu2I2p6ms
Tony Jr. struck out Pudge.
“by the way, Kay was talking about knowing which players on the team to trade.”
His point was pretty obvious, no? That still doesn’t mean they should be spending those fungible guys on pointless acquisitions like Fuentes. Any move they make that costs anyone interesting should have positive ramifications in 2009 at least.
Hey Joe, when your Team gets to – lets say – maybe TWENTY World Championships, then think about coming on here and talking smack – ya Jerkoff!
Lets hope arod have a good series, it seems like he always struggle in fenway
“I wonder if Manny is available to ‘pinch hit’?”
By ‘pinch hit’ do you mean ‘pinch take a whiz in the Monster while beating up team officials’?
Great Pic of Papelbum on Feinsand’s blog – just another reason . . .
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/
Manny cant hit a 99 mph fastball anyways
whozat: it is obvious. At the same time, really haven’t seen the matter discussed. Not even on the scout boards (pinstripe plus, etc).
Rumors are flying that the Yankees might make a run at Dunn if the price goes down a bit.
It would be interesting. He’s a Free Agent after this season so you wouldn’t be held hostage with a giant contract. He would add much needed power to a lineup that is going to miss Posada and Matsui. I wouldn’t be too sad if he replaces Gardner/ Christian playing time.
“I wonder if Manny is available to ‘pinch hit’?â€
sure he just look at another 3 pitches and strikeout
Im pumped for the game. And Im pumped to see manny has been scratched.
“His point was pretty obvious, no? That still doesn’t mean they should be spending those fungible guys on pointless acquisitions like Fuentes. Any move they make that costs anyone interesting should have positive ramifications in 2009 at least.”
Totally agreed.
You don’t trade cheap, cost controlled talent like Kennedy, EVEN IF YOU DON’T THINK HE’S BETTER THAN A #5!, for 3 months of a decent reliever; ESPECIALLY when the bullpen is your team’s #1 strength. It’s just stupid.
If Kennedy comes up next season, and puts together a solid 4.00-4.25 ERA, wins 12 games, he instantly becomes an EXCELLENT trade chip. Instead of being one of three players sent to land 3 months of some aging veteran, he could possibly land a solid position player where the Yankees have a long-term need (say, if Jeter can no longer play SS, etc.; Alberto Gonzalez is -not- the answer).
For the right price, Adam Dunn is fine by me.
MANNY OUT!!
if moose was pitching today you no manny would have been in there
With Manny scratched from today’s lineup, does anybody want to argue with me again and say that he faked his injury two days ago? Raymagnetic? No?
“With Manny scratched from today’s lineup, does anybody want to argue with me again and say that he faked his injury two days ago? Raymagnetic? No?”
He might now be out because of injury it might be because of joba pitching remember he didnt start on the sunday night game vs joba or it could just be manny being manny
“For the right price, Adam Dunn is fine by me.”
Isn’t Dunn just another Big Sexy? He’s feast or famine. That would make 3 strikeout candidates we’d have in the lineup (Giambi being the other one).
I’d rather get a pitcher to replace either Rasner or Ponson. Ponson’s luck is eventually going to run out. Rasner isn’t very good either.
Wow…lots of chest beating and posturing going on by both Yankee and Sox fans this afternoon! It will be an interesting series as it always is between these two teams.
I’m not making any predictions or guarantees……I just still think that the Sox take game one and three with the Yankees taking game two.
“Isn’t Dunn just another Big Sexy? He’s feast or famine. That would make 3 strikeout candidates we’d have in the lineup (Giambi being the other one).”
Dunn has a really high OBP since his avg is so low and big sexy is all or nothing. Giambi doesnt strikeout as much as those 2 and hits for a higher avg
Brent: you may wish to talk to a person on this board. And check his messages.
Was Beckett really shouting at Joba 2 weeks ago from the dugout after he threw inside to Youk.
Dunn would go nuts in Yankee stadium, and for all the whining morons do about his K’s, he maintains a great OBP.
Wow… who would have thought he drinks Voss water
SJ –
it really does turn on the specifics of any deal. Sure, key guys to land CC for 2 months would have been problematic. But LaPorta was expendable for Milwaukee with Fielder at 1B, Hart and Braun in the OF corners, and the kid at 3B with LaPorta in AA.
The bats being discussed in trade aren’t by and large strict rentals. Holliday, Bay, and Nady (in likely decending cost) are all signed or under control through ‘09. That also increases their cost. We’re looking for someone to slot in at 6th or 7th in the order – we don’t need a cleanup hitter. To me for that reason, that he can play RF and 1B so fits in our ‘09 needs, and is salaried so much lower, Nady becomes the lowest risk acquisition. The cost is an issue, but it isn’t going to take 2 A prospects to land him – if Pitt insists on that, walk away. They’ll want pitching, maybe a 3B prospect. If McCutchen or Aceves and say Brad Suttle do the deal, I’d think about biting. We’ve got quite a few SP prospects of varying value – they’re not all going to pitch for us. Deal from strength. Maybe another pitcher or 2 and Marte gets included. Again, okay depending on who we’re talking. Don’t want to give top end guys (to me top end is Hughes, Jackson, Tabata, Melancon, some lower level guys, maybe even IPK, who I hold in much higher regard than many here) – neither of those guys have futures in Pitt so their leverage isn’t unlimited either. That isn’t a deal that destroys our future, ‘09, or anything really.
There’s no overarching rule here. If you feel the deal is good, go for it and hope it gets you over the hump. I don’t see Washburn as a worth the $ cost difference maker, even though I do see Ponson as a ticking timebomb. I’m not either a go for it now at all costs type, or a prospect hugger. (That was a good one G. Love). I believe in making good deals, and recognize they can blow up in your face, as can prospects.
Those ready to toss aside Kennedy would be well advised to check Volquez’s early majors forays. Sure Volquez is a “stuff” pitcher. So is Homer Bailey, and he’s struggling early on. Look at Blackburn and Slowey for Minnesota – while we beat them recently, they’re having a nice seasons and don’t blow people away. IPK is a guy who pitches to spots, and rookies relying on corners are going to struggle early on, because they get less slack from umps. But plenty of great pitchers have made their careers doing that, as have many good mid-rotation guys. Minors performance is an indicator of possible future performance – you can’t just toss it aside.
“it is obvious. At the same time, really haven’t seen the matter discussed. Not even on the scout boards (pinstripe plus, etc).”
That’s because it’s not particularly interesting to talk about. Who’s going to say “No! They don’t need to do that!” Who’s got any evidence that they haven’t already done that effectively? The front office are the only ones that know who’s on the not-as-good-as-other-teams-think list; otherwise it’d be completely useless.
No I want Salty and Milton Bradley (Go steal’em Cash)
“Isn’t Dunn just another Big Sexy? He’s feast or famine.”
Only if you ignore the fact that Sexson doesn’t walk either. Dunn makes an out about 60% of the time or a little less. He also has a buttload of homers. Sexson makes outs around 70% of the time. Less against lefties this season, which is why they picked him up.
….Francesca just said, to Girardi “I have to give you credit for Farnsworth”
…Apocalypse, much?
Anyone know who will be calling balls and strikes this evening?
Please no Laz Diaz types.
trolls lol i like that
Fransworth still gonna end up with a high 4 ERa.I mean besides Veras and Mo not one of these pitchers pitch back to back days.
Ray…. I admire Lester and he’s been on a great roll recently but I think the Yanks have hit him before his last start against them… Do you think seeing him twice in less than a month could slightly make him more vulnerable. Ponson will be knocked out early but I could see Sunday night being a back forth 9-7 type of battle
ray…will you still call me a friend after we sweep y’all ?
Gardy ? watsup Joe G w/ these nicknames ?
Brandon…. I would be in heaven if we got Salty…. He’s not hitting this year but thats some young talent right there who we could also play at 1st base…. doubt it will happen but Texas does have 3 young catchers with Teagarden, Ramirez, and Salty… never quite thought about getting Salty…
laiz is soooo lame u cant lie thou whom even is behind the plate has a huge impact on the game….. all part of the game i guess it just sux to be on the short end
That’s all I’m saying. I heard Kay on the radio and he made perfect sense.
You can’t keep all of these prospects. We don’t even have room for all of them in the rotation or the pen next year.
Some of them have to go and they should go for something that can help the team right now.
It just seems you mention trading anyone in the minor league system and people flip out in here.
Here’s a newsflash. They are not all going to NY Yankees some day.
Some of them may make the majors, most of them won’t and some may get traded if our GM ever decides to make a deal for someone who wasn’t DFA’d.
I can’t believe that you call yourself a fan of this team and then you say I’d rather not go for it this year and wait.
Are you kidding me?
I’m not saying trade them all, but trade some of them. How many right handed starting pitching prospects do we need? All of them?
We have 1 positional prospect who might make the team in the next 2-3 years in Jackson.
1.
Where are the OF’ers going to come from? The waiver wire?
And whoever posted that it wouldn’t shock them if the Red Sox traded Manny to the Mets for prospects and then traded their own prospects for Holliday was on to something.
They go in for the kill and they know when to cut bait.
It seems like we’re just sitting watching everyone else make deals and get players who can help us.
I’d like to see something besides a DFA signee in the next 6 days that improves this club.
The pen is magnificent right now. Joe Torre could and would not have been able to do this.
Our top 3 starters are doing their jobs. The 4 & 5 guys are holding their own.
It’s almost August and we’re 3 out.
If I own the team you make a run now and you give up something to get something that can help this team that’s been decimated by injuries.
ray( out on red sox fan)
out on main street right now here on cape cod, a lot of smack is being talked about how it’s joba’s first time at fenway starting blah, blah, blah ,but don’t red sox fans realize yet that he’s the real deal?
there are charisma guys that go beyond the stats. yaz,conigliaro,garciaparra, mantle, jeter, guidry etc.
i think joba is one of those.
red sox fans who are hoping he’s going to suck are in for a long next 10-15 years.
the way jason stark paints the washburn situation is exactly how i see it. take igawa for washburn and we’ll give you a lesser prospect or else eat half of washburn’s contract. otherwise take a walk.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=mlb_trade_deadline&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fname%3dmlb_trade_deadline
G Love just for you
Alan Horne, Ian Kennedy, JB Cox, Brad Suttle, Colin Curtis
for
Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Milton Bradley + an A ball player
Like it ? hate it ?
Meant to add I would have liked to see us in the Harden deal – he didn’t drain the Cubs. But Beane never would have moved him to the Yanks with us both in Wild Card contention. That would have been very pricey.
There’s really not many pitching options out there. It’s hard to imagine the Dodgers moving Lowe while fighting for their division. Byrd does nothing for me. I wouldn’t mind Maddux but it sounds unlikely he’d go for it. We’re probably stuck with chasing cheap unreliables having good years (or in Washburn’s case, months) like Ponson – Redding or Odalis Perez in Washington – or biting the bullet on Washburn. Good chance a promo of a AAA guy could be about as good and cost nothing, or that Ponson and Ras get us where we would have gotten anyway. Please those insisting Washburn is an obvious upgrade – do some analysis or listen to some contrary evidence. That is far from obvious given the cost of the deal, unless that plummets.
G Love… I agree totally with you… I love our minor league system and enjoy following it but not all of these guys are going to be Yanks…. We have many pitching prospects to deal from as even if we give up a guy like Betances, we still have Brackman and likely Cole to promote through our system…. I love wathcing the kids grow but we need to go for it this year as every team is showing signs of weakness this year with no clear cut world series contender…. we could steal it this year while continueing our process of getting younger
Vito….Vito….you know I have always said I like your passion! We will be friends no matter what the end result.
Tyler,
I think the Yankee offense has finally been living up to its potential some so I would not be surprised at all if they hit Lester.
As a Sox fan I like Lester because he is not the jerk that Beckett tends to be, and Lester has been pitching late into games with fewer walks. Something he did not do early in the season.
Randy,
I can’t speak for other fans. I think whenever the Sox and Yankees play each other fans from both teams talk a lot of trash about the opposing team’s players.
I can’t help but believe that for those Sox fans that really do follow baseball they know very well that Joba is the real deal! I think he is a great pitcher and anyone (Sox fan or otherwise) who does not see that is into denial big time.
Oh it’s like that G Love ? fine then. Forget I ever said it.
Be back later peoples.
Brandon -
Gardy – Gardner
Eddie – Edwar
Robby – Cano (his normal nickname)
Big G – Giambi
Raz – Rasner
Siddy – Ponson
Farnsy – Farnsworth
Hawk – Hawkins
Betty – Betemit
Alby – Albaladejo
Philly – Hughes
Matty – Matsui
Kenny – Kennedy
Girardi’s nickname handbook. I see he likes giving some of them feminine names lol
“I’m not saying trade them all, but trade some of them. How many right handed starting pitching prospects do we need? All of them?
We have 1 positional prospect who might make the team in the next 2-3 years in Jackson. ”
We don’t HAVE a Manny to deal to re-stock the system. Getting Holliday would cost us that ONE positional prospect, and most of the other most promising near-MLB guys we have. If it’s even possible.
So…we’d wind up with Alan Horne as the jewel of the system, be praying that Jose Tabata figures it out and that Austin Romine will be a big league catcher. And have to go sign the next Carlos Silva because kennedy and Hughes would both be gone.
Look, if Abreu was playing up to his career numbers, and we could move him…that’d be something that we could use. But every interesting vet is either under a no-trade, injured, or sucking.
not sure if it’s been posted (probably has), but apparently Manny was a scratch
Brandon,
I absolutely LOVE that offer. Love it. It gives us the OF and bat we need now and our catcher of the future.
Make it happen. I’d even take Padilla back if it helped that deal go through.
whozat: from the time cashman took over baseball operations, we’ve hired new scouts and cross-checkers. The short track record have been impressive, as the drafts have been impressive. However, who makes the internal scouting decisions? Is it the same group of scouts, or a different group? Will they make solid baseball decisions in evalating talent, as the ‘external’ scouting has? Yes. I find the topic, of interest.
Brandon: I’d even consider that deal.
Which means it hasn’t a chance in heck off getting done.
“However, who makes the internal scouting decisions? Is it the same group of scouts, or a different group? Will they make solid baseball decisions in evalating talent, as the ‘external’ scouting has? Yes. I find the topic, of interest.”
And what could any fan board bring to this discussion? Also, we uninformed fans can argue about the skills to talent evaluators within the organization all we want, but the fact is we have little but speculation to go on. Do any of us know who’s responsible for a given decision? Do we even know who brings which information to the table? What would be point of knowing? So that we can scapegoat someone when we hear a rumor that a guy we think is tradeable was removed from a deal?
There’s a right way, a wrong way, and a Yankee way and in no way does Manny Ramirez resemble a Yankee regardless of what he may put up for numbers in the next 2 years. For every step he takes, he takes 2 steps backward.
According to Ed Price of the Newark Star-Ledger, the Yankees have been scouting outfielder Randy Winn. Winn, 34, is hitting .277/.345/.390 in 401 plate appearances. He’s set to earn $8.25MM next year, and can block deals to ten clubs. You have to think the Yankees are treating this like another salary dump possibility.
why would the Yanks want Winn?
Who did the Yankees get from Houston for Bo Hall? PTBNL or an actual name?
“Alan Horne, Ian Kennedy, JB Cox, Brad Suttle, Colin Curtis
for
Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Milton Bradley + an A ball player”
This deal is basically Alan Horne, Kennedy and Cox for Salty and 2 months of Bradley. Bradley, who doesn’t play the OF anymore, really. It makes it so that Hughes is the only prospect we have above A ball that projects into the rotation. It gets a defensively questionable catcher who’s not hitting anymore, but will probably hit again. And 2 months of a DH.
I can’t tell if I’m more worried that Salty isn’t going to stick behind the plate or if I’m more worried that Horne’s value is so low because of his injuries that he won’t help land Salty. Huh.
“why would the Yanks want Winn?”
Can he play CF?
Saltalamacchia is absolutely the worst defensive catcher going and he’s even worse as a 1st baseman. NYY has a lot of catching talent coming up. He’s also not tearing the cover off of the ball. He’s striking out in one third of his at bats.
whozat, I think he moved to RF because of the Aaron Roward signing. Not too sure.
ray (red sox fan)-
i was actually surprised at the lack awareness about joba. i guess coming to this blog you get more yankee info than most red sox fans do. not every red sox gets extra innings and mlb tv so i think they are just not watching closely enough.
it is kind of fun talking smack. the fever pitch is getting up there as the afternoon goes on out here. the teams( and tampa bay) are actually close which wasn’t the case a month ago.
Winn hasn’t played CF full time since 2005 or even most of the time.
Winn hasn’t played CF full time since 2005 or even most of the time.
thanks for clearing that up.
Thank you Rebecca, for continuing to serve as the voice of sanity. I’m sorry, Brandon, but that trade is crazy. We’re giving up way too much. Bradley is basically a one year wonder who is constantly on the DL. No reason to give up five top prospects for two.
Boston Dirt Dogs report Manny is sitting out tonight
1. Jacoby Ellsbury, LF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. J.D. Drew, RF
7. Jed Lowrie, SS
8. Jason Varitek, C
9. Coco Crisp, CF
Manny & Papi going back to back? is Manny even playing tonight, or is he just playing with himself?
Joe – Try being original for a change. Everything you can and will say is predictable. Yawn.
Ray – the Dark Side nearer draws you still … nearer … nearer … assimilate you will, young Jedi … it is your destiny …
They just did a live segment on NESN. Larry Luchino et al did a grand opening of “The Bleacher Bar”. They cut a hole in the outside wall of Fenway and you can sit on the outside of the park looking in.
THAT’S juuuust what Red Sox fans need…. another bar to get hammered in. They need more liquor like ARod needs Viagra.
“Saltalamacchia is absolutely the worst defensive catcher going and he’s even worse as a 1st baseman. NYY has a lot of catching talent coming up. He’s also not tearing the cover off of the ball. He’s striking out in one third of his at bats.”
Then I like that deal less
I think realistically, it’s a cheap #4 starter, a cheap late-innings reliever, and a cheap middle reliever for 2 months of one DH and k-prone guy that might wind up without a position.
Alan Horne, Ian Kennedy, JB Cox, Brad Suttle, Colin Curtis
for
Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Milton Bradley + an A ball playerâ€
Jarrod Saltalamachia? Not as a catcher, I hope!
His future is as a first basemen – he’s a lousy defensive catcher.
And Milton Bradley? Million dollar talent…ten cent head!
Manny trying to send a message to Boston. He wants a new contract, not a 1 year option deal.
It is pretty clear from what the Yanks are saying and what Pete has reported that catcher is not a point of emphasis before the deadline.
We are rolling with the M&M boys!
Don’t know much about it and cannot find any news anywhere about it, but a buddy just called me and told me Manny is in trouble with the front office.
Apparently his knee injury occurred in an off the field incident and he had a meeting with the Red Sox brass discussing disciplinary action…suspension.
Can anybody back me up and/or confirm this?
ML: I think that Jose Molina has been one of the most valuable players on the Yankees so far.
I’m not really sure I count as a voice of sanity
Non Yankee related but an interesting face:Yorvit Torrealba’s parents gave him his name when they could not decide between Yorman and Victor. They decided to combine the two into Yorvit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorvit_Torrealba
Just popping in to say that so far I’ve called ‘em pretty right! So you can probably count on the Sux totally tanking at some point soon.
A special hi to Fran! We’ve received great rewards for keeping the faith and trusting in our boys!!!
GO YANKEES!!!
And in the words of the immortal Michael Kay, see ya!
JR
That is news to me, but interesting.
JR Yankees,
They are obviously upset with him about the assualt on the travel secretary. Then John Henry went public with his comments about Manny’s contract situation.
Given that Francona didnt cover up for Manny for a change and didnt hide any surprise about his “injury” in Seattle, I think it’s safe to say even the Enablers are getting weary of Manny.
No, you really do, Rebecca. You don’t overreact to each day’s headlines.
Having said that, I don’t think Molina has been one of our MVPs, but I do think that getting him for Kennard was a steal.
I wouldn’t post it here if I didn’t believe my buddy. He’s got XM, and said the station he was listening to broke the story.
Cannot find anything anywhere else about it however.
trisha has been right about 90% of her stuff.
SJ44 has been right about 20%
Go trisha
“Saltalamacchia is absolutely the worst defensive catcher going and he’s even worse as a 1st baseman.”
Because you have seen him play so many times and have personally scouted him right???
I love “fans”.
Winn or Justin Christian?
Get Benji Molina in that deal too.
ML: Value is relative
The Yankees have gotten far more from the molina deal than they expected.
That, and I love catching Molina brothers
You can’t overreact to headlines because the season is so long. You always have to consider the bigger picture.
Agreed starting catcher is not a primary concern. It shouldn’t be, unless there’s reason to believe Posada will never regain his ability to throw.
Molina is solid on D, he’s gunning half the base runners who test him, and with the team hitting as was expected of them we can live with a .230 bat (just one) for the rest of the season. If they want to upgrade Molina’s backup catcher that’s fine, but that’s not a priority either.
Even if Posada were unable to come back (there has been no indication he won’t) the team’s still OK with Molina being the ’starter’ for the rest of this year. And if it were the case (again, it really sounds like it isn’t) a year end trade would be something to consider … at the end of the year.
Replacing Posada’s bat by picking up an OF or 1B who can hit and defend (meaning – NO BONDS!) would be the way to go. A rental or someone a multi-year situatuion are both options there, depending on who we’re talking about and at what cost.
Manny is a quitter.
Manny being Manny
Ah yes … this guy’s worse than what Sox Nation’s brainwashed collective blindly presumes all NY players become once they’re Yankees.
This is truly priceless.
The loss of Posada means they desperately need a big bat who can play LF and DH.
That bat is Dunn.
Girardi said he doesn’t want a catcher, necessarily. He is very happy with the way Moeller has handled Rasner and Molina is playing right now.
Imagine Jeter not playing because he’s mad about his contract.
WOW
…Pete, you coul have waited till after I ate dinner. Now I’m off my appetite entirely
Don’t insult “The Nation.”
Red Sox Nation is the coolest thing ever. You get a sticker and everything.
Cody,
What do you expect Girardi to say?
When has Girardi ever said he doesn’t want his players that he already has? When has he not backed them up? This is a guy who backed Farnsworth at his lowest.
He’s not going to campaign for another catcher. he’s too smart for that crap.
Of course, Frank – you can always count on Every Sox Proponent’s Network to gush over Ortiz and focus on A-Rod’s off-field papparazi stuff.
Yawwwn ….
Dunn bats lefty. Where would Damon play DH? That would mean Posada out. Posada prob should get surgery now so it makes sense. Dunn seems like another Giambi though. Maybe he is just back up for when/if the Melkman gets traded. That may mean Damon in center though.
Pete definitely puts Pavano updates up to amuse himself and us. Because they are funny.
whozat: will NYY’s ‘internal scouting’ be as successful as the ‘external scouting’ has been? For lack of better terminology. That is the question. And no, not into scape-goating.
Rebecca –
So when do you think Pavano’s scheduled to FINISH a game?
Never?
McN, I watched Saltalamacchia catch in Atlanta and try playing first base and when he came through savannah to play in the Sally League. He just hasn’t improved. He’s not a good defensive player and, right now, he’s not hitting well enough (and, in a hitter’s park) to be of much value, so yeah…I’ve seen him play enough to know that unless he improves a lot, this week, he’s not worth the trade, and NYY has at least four catchers in the farm system that are better than him defensively, right now. I’d prefer the Yanks picked up Gerald Laid, if they felt the need to get a catcher.
The Yankees need a pitcher. I don’t care if it’s Pavano as long as he performs. I want Pavano to come out and pitch great for us for about 4 starts.
He owes us yes?
ANSKY: Some time in 2009.
I’m confused. Why would teams be “clamoring” for an overrated, washed up, injury prone pitcher? Is Cashman just trying to find a sucker to take Hughes?
Interesting, Jeter just hit the ball into the door of the Monster. As Chris said, he’ll never do that again if he tried. Ortiz also hit a few home runs during batting practice – I’d say he’s fine.
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“Saltalamacchia is absolutely the worst defensive catcher going and he’s even worse as a 1st baseman”
well, that’s ok. We need a 1st baseman in the system, anyway.
Carl Pavano is scheduled to start a GCL game on Tuesday.
lol. Oh boy
Will K
Pavano has become the Clinton/Lewinsky joke of the blog. Good for one presidential term’s worth of saturation (saturation of humor not fluids you pervs) then everyone knows he’ll be out of office.
So the jokes get old but they’re still funny on some level.
my bad. Didn’t see the 1st baseman part.
***That’s Gerald Laird*** It’s up to Gerald to get laid.
Frank – Pavano owes us to the tune of 4 perfect games if all we get out of him is 4 more games.
Just my opinion, but I don’t want the Yankees to get anyone. I want them to be sellers at the deadline and eat some salary. They’ll get enough money off the books after this season.
I know I’m in the minority, but I kinda wish they didn’t go on this little win streak and look poised to go on another 2nd-half run. Now they’ve forced Cashman’s hand.
All I’m saying is Pavano pitching well for us is better than him not pitching for us.
What’s done is done and in the past.
I think you are more than confused MEL……
I’m sick of Gardner already. Why not start Christian? It seems to me like Christian IS Gardner but older, more ML ready and with more pop.
The Manny being Manny thing has gotten very old in Beansville and from the front office to the fans it’s reaching the end point.
If he thinks he’s holding the owners hostage or more importantly his teammates, then he needs to guess again.
He may have pushed the envelope too far this year by even more acts of defience than ever before.
Possibly 4 or 5 years ago the owners would jump at picking up his option years and maybe he senses that they won’t be interested in doing so this winter.
Frank,
You’re not alone. There’s a lot of us “prospect huggers”.
Who is Cashman trying to fool? He is always on his phone, but we all know trade talks are going on. I really don’t want the Yankees to give up anyone, but maybe that’s just my perspective.
you hear that guys Pavano. is. almost. back.
Doesn’t Manny have a bum knee?
I’m not sure that’s showing up the team.
Pavano for Manny
Vinny, the Yanks actually do have a bright young prospect playing in the system. Brandon Laird has moved to 1st base (and playing very well defensively) for Charleston after moving from third base. He hit for power and average last year in his first pro season at GCL. This year his average is moving up and his power is developing just fine. He’s only 20 years old. He is also Gerald Laird’s (Texas catcher) younger brother.
Pat M,
Seriously? You thought I was serious?
Dang, I’m good.
The only thing that concerns me regarding Molina is how well he holds up in September and beyond. He’s never caught an entire year before, and he’s on the way to doing most off that this year.
Horrible flashback: Pavano as our Opening Day starter last year.
I bet if Papelbon gets a save in this series he stands on his head, grabs his ankles and sh!ts in the air.
Joba Joba Joba
Frank, thanks for that informative, exciting post.
Frank
Agreed, if a guy can help (other than Bonds) I’m all for it. I’m just disenchanted with the whole Pavano thing and I can’t see mustering any expectations or him.
If he shows up and produces, I don’t want to see cameras focusing on him celebrating with the rest of the team in October. He’s welcome to contribute (he sure does owe the team) but he can never really consider himself to be a part of it.
I can see it now … comeback player of the millenium … our savior. Yech.
If Pavano pithes and pitches well? There will be no gushing from me … it’d be about time. Now finish collecting your nice big paychecks, then see ya ’round the farm.
Rumor has it that Manny is taking his marching orders from Boras and is doing everything he can to piss off the Sux so that they trade him since Manny and Boras don’t think he is going to be getting a big contract offer from the Sux. So if he makes himself a pain in the butt they will want to trade him and it will appear that it is because he is just not worth the trouble and another team will be willing to take him on because he is just so wonderful – and the fact that he may be in a decline will be overlookecd.
Brilliant strategy if you ask me!
Question for all of you:
Who you like to see pitch on September 21, the last home game the Yankees have this year?
I’d like to see it be Andy, though Moose has certainly earned the right to be in consideration. I’d rather have Joba open the new than close out the old.
Wait, will Pavano actually have a chance at joining the Yanks in September if nothing goes wrong in his rehab? I know he will get hurt again and act like a little girl but I thought he was for sure done with as a Yank… maybe they can add him to the bulpen or something…. get some value out of the bum
Who is Carl Pavano? Is he somebody we drafted this year? I don’t remember ever hearing about him pitching.
keith: apparently, this is the desired effect. Permitting Manny to get a 4 or 5 yr contract, with a different team.
have you checked the list of free-agent OF’ers, in the next 2 years? He may get a 5yr contract.
We all laugh but what happens come September and Ponson and Rasner are not doing so well and it is determined that Wang is indeed out for the season…
What if Pavano is ready to go and has decent numbers in his rehab starts? Do we try to stick it to him and tell him to get lost? Or do we let him pitch an game and wait for him to break down between innings?
Honestly though, how do you think the fans would accept Pavano if he was an option down the stretch for 5-6 starts?
By the way…still nothing on my post about a Manny suspension earlier that I can confirm.
Rebecca: Wang!
Rebecca, Moeller will be fresh for the pennant drive. He’s a pretty good densive catcher, and, this year, for how he’s been used, has hit fairly well. A lot of well hit balls to the warning track. I think Moeller will be getting a couple of starts a week.
Rebecca, Pettite 8 innings, Mo pitch the 9th to win the last game at the stadium…. The only two pitchers who have world championships won with the Yanks… I like Moose but he still hasn’t won a world series
***defensive***
I gurantee you Hughes is going to put up some studly numbers in his rehab starts
I thought Manny had a knee injury?
Well hit balls to the warning track? Is that was passes for hitting fairly well these days?
Neither Molina nor Moeller bring anything offensively. Molina is a stud defensive catcher…Moeller is average to above average defensively.
Let’s not overrate our own players just because they are Yankees.
edit…that what passes…
Hughes is about three years away from anything resembling a stud.
Who you like to see pitch on September 21, the last home game the Yankees have this year?
hhhmmm…I think I would like for it to be Moose. I wouldn’t mind Andy either.
Will Joba pich a nice economical 7 innings of 95 pitches and turn the 8th and 9th innings over to a well rested bullpen ?
“Possibly 4 or 5 years ago the owners would jump at picking up his option years and maybe he senses that they won’t be interested in doing so this winter.”
But would the Yankees?
green beret: yes. Thankful to see he is picking it up, after the slow start. Didn’t know if he was solid, at 1st base, tho. Thank you, for the word.
“Carl Pavano is scheduled to start a GCL game on Tuesday. Assuming he is not attacked by bees first or gets a sunburn.”
Amazingly hilarious. I almost choked and died. Which I’m sure would have made Randy ecstatic
“He drove up to Boston today and was on the phone the entire time.”
Arrest him! At least one of those states has a no cellphones law!
Rebecca,
I prefer that we be 5 games ahead with the best record sewn up.
Then each of the position players pitch an inning with Mo closing it out!
Or sign old timers and have them play the game.
Girardi, O’neill, Bernie
Frank, I’m talking about his rehab starts in the minors…. He has put up studly numbers in the minors…. 21-6 career ERA around 2.50….. And yes he is a few years away from being astud in the majors but that day will come trust me when he’s an ace of this staff
“Honestly though, how do you think the fans would accept Pavano if he was an option down the stretch for 5-6 starts?”
Who the hell cares what the fans think? If Pavano is destroying AAA hitters and the back end of the rotation is struggling, they’d better bring him up to the majors. Is there some kind of moral victory to be had by watching Ponson get knocked around while Pavano strikes out 10 batters a game in AAA?
(Obviously, hyperbole applies here. But still.)
Cash drove? Don’t the Yankees have a private jet?
“I thought Manny had a knee injury?”
Frank that’s the point. In WEEI land there is a lot of speculation that all of this is Manny trying to do whatever he can to push the Sux organization’s buttons. So whether or not he really has a knee injury is questionable in some peoples’ minds. I mean what better time to bail on the team than during the Yankee series.
If they had not traded for Randy Johnson Dionner Navarro would be the catcher now
I thought Manny had a knee injury?
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Frank ;
He did have a knee injury. It’s been downgraded to an arseache.
S.A
I think it’s only appropriate for Pavano to start the final home game at the Stadium.
Phil, instead of trying to read into everyone’s posts to find something to twist, try reading. What I said about Moeller was he’s been hitting the ball hard (not striking out) and that he was a pretty good defensive catcher. I didn’t say anything about him being great. Nice try, though.
You’re right Hughes puts up great numbers in the minors.
But I disagree with you about the ace thing for a number of different reasons. But that’s a whole other post. If he turns into our #3 starter I will be more than pleased.
“Cash drove? Don’t the Yankees have a private jet?”
I figure the team jet went up there yesterday. They’re not going to fly the thing just for Cash.
I hope there is a lot of security in the pen for Joba. I am seriously afraid for him.
Alex Rodriguez is going to HEAR it today from Red Sux Nation
The team has a chartered plane. I figured the team has a private jet as well.
The reason Pavano needs to start the final Stadium game is that if he starts that game we all know he’ll get injured and then he can finish his Yankee career the way he spent his entire 4 years here…on the DL
“Manny trying to send a message to Boston. He wants a new contract, not a 1 year option deal.”
Believe it or not, I’m actually leaning towards believing that Manny is hurt. But if he isn’t, how exactly does he think his teammates are going to feel about him hanging them out to dry over a contract dispute? If he’s doing this to get a long term contract, who is going to even want to play with him? Manny is a dirtbag of the highest order, but I’m having a hard time believing that he’s this vile. I could be wrong. Time will tell.
Green: “Rebecca, Moeller will be fresh for the pennant drive. He’s a pretty good densive catcher, and, this year, for how he’s been used, has hit fairly well. A lot of well hit balls to the warning track. I think Moeller will be getting a couple of starts a week.”
Re-read what you wrote. Nice try, though.
S.A
I think it’s only appropriate for Pavano to start the final home game at the Stadium.
Oh of course. His performance for the Yankees so far has brought out um..hhmm..eh..well..ah..many strong emotions from many yankee fans.
Now I didn’t say those emotions were good…
Not a problem, Vinny. B. Laird could be a right handed version of Tino Martinez. Solid glove with line drive/gap power. I’m not talking 40 homers, but, certainly .280-.290 with 25 homer/30 double type production.
“If they had not traded for Randy Johnson Dionner Navarro would be the catcher now”
Yeah. That’s a trade I’ve wished back many time since he first had that run-in with the cameraman. I mean, I know he was a big contributor down the stretch in 05, but Javy Vasquez has had some good seasons since then too
And, honestly….being able to let Jorge go and take the Mets’ picks might’ve been nice. Or, at least, not be able to held over a barrel for that 4th year.
I don’t buy that about Manny. He sat out part of last game vs Seattle, no?
He puts up his best numbers against the Yankees. The Red Sox are 3 games up and tied for 1st. This series isn’t do ro die for anyone. He could pick a better spot to rub them the wrong way I think.
im waiting for kennedy and hughes to anchor the back end of our rotation soon. its only a matter of time for rasner and ponson to come back to earth
“Alex Rodriguez is going to HEAR it today from Red Sux Nation”
That is very different from how it usually is.
Green: Instead of trying to read into MY posts to try to twist something. Try reading what you typed. Then shut up.
“That is very different from how it usually is.”
More so than usual and more annoying Madonna-oriented stuff.
Almost game time.
For me, I would just like to see Joba pitch the way he’s capable of and not look rattled by the Fenway experience.
And I’d like to see Youkilis cry. LET IT OUT BIG GUY!! YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO!
The fans are going to give it to the Yankees over that Papelsmear stuff that happened during the ASG.
I don’t think we’ll have a playoff spot on 21 September, as much as I’d love it, there are simply too many contending teams.
So i think it might potentially be a really critical issue.
which doesn’t mean it won’t be fun.
If Joba goes anywhere near Pukelis, expect the Puker to charge the mound. Hopefully, Farnsworth will be able to run fast enough out there to beat the crap out of him!
Green, read what you typed. Then leave Phil alone.
* Ross Ohlendorf has pitched so well as a starter for Scranton that he is being considered as a starter again.
That can’t be a serious post.
“If they had not traded for Randy Johnson Dionner Navarro would be the catcher now.”
we do not speak of this.
there’s not a deal this team can make right now that will suddenly make them a world series contender. in order to get all of the pieces they’d need, they’d have to give up way too much, and even then, there’s no guarantee they make the playoffs, let alone win the thing. if they can tweak the team a bit and squeak in as the wild card, right on. it’d be fun to watch them play a few october games at the stadium.
they’re an alright team this year, they’ll be pretty good next year if everything goes according to plan.
count me among those who are not convinced that hughes will ever be the ace the yankees and most of their fans expected him to be. and i’d love to see cashman deal kennedy when his stock seems to have risen before ML hitters pulverize him all over again.
massive quandry…. in order to watch the game in HD i have to watch the NESN feed. So should i watch the game in HD and listen Massholes or watch in regular vision and listen michael “duh” kay…
I can’t believe that I have to suffer through these Crock Sox announcers.
massive quandry…. in order to watch the game in HD i have to watch the NESN feed. So should i watch the game in HD and listen 2Massholes or watch in regular vision and listen michael “duh” kay…
massive quandry…. in order to watch the game in HD i have to watch the NESN feed. So should i watch the game in HD and listen Mass/hole or watch in regular vision and listen michael “duh” kay…
Lets go Yankees!!
3 runs in the first inning vs. Beckett.
First in wild card after this weekend.
sweep the leg johnny!
Well, hey, we made Beckett throw a lot of pitches!
Great AB by Damon…wear him down baby, wear him down.
Beckett really has matured. It’s more of a quiet confidence now. More intimidating than Papelbon even though they both have equally electric stuff.
you dont like either so turn them both off an watch home shopping
wtg – johnny – wear him down!
michelle-watch the NESN feed with the Mute button on?
massive quandry….
HD on mute and deal with Sterling/Waldman on CBS. I used to do it during the playoffs all the time.
Lets go Yankees!! 90 more pitches and he’s outa there…
Is it too early to start counting?
BRING BACK BRITTON!
What the hell is Jeter talking to Pukelis about?
The Boston sillies will not be singing Madonna’s “Like a Prayer” opposed to Sweet Caroline in the 8th inning even if the Sockies are down 15 runs.
What else does Beckett throw besides fastball and curve?
Occassional slider?
I have tickets for 9/21. I’m not yet ready to say goodbye.
I was at the last ever game at Qualcomm Stadium. Not nearly as emotional.
“What the hell is Jeter talking to Pukelis about?”
Youk asked him what is was like to kiss a girl!
We always hit Beckett early in the game then fade in the later innings.
“I don’t buy that about Manny. He sat out part of last game vs Seattle, no?”
Frank, again, the way a lot of people around Red Sox Nation are talking about it, this is just part of an intentional continuum, including Manny whacking out Youklis and pushing down the travelling secretary. So if you buy into their theory the Seattle stuff was also phoney baloney, and this is just more of it.
Actually it wouldn’t surprise me. You may have heard that Manny jawboned about a lack of respect on the part of the Sux organization and really ticked off John Henry.
Nice hitting, Derek and Bobby!
woo hoo — roughing Beckett up early looks better in HD — lets go yankees.
It would be really nice to stake Joba to a big lead for a change.
Is the ‘C’ on Varitek’s jersey so he remembers what position he plays when the Sox take the field?
I can’t think of any other reason he would have a 5 inch ‘C’ on his shirt front.
Hope they wore their hitting shoes tonight, especially the RISP shoe!
A big hit by A-Rod would be nice.
I hope Timlin pitches against mustachio today.
Laura except that this Yankee offense is finally cranking on all cylinders so could very well knock ugly hayseed Beckett out of the game tonight.
The C on Varitek’s uniform stands for chump hitting .218.
Alex, that was not what you were supposed to do!
what r u swinging at that bounced to the plate alex!
way to swing at a 56 footer….c’mon big g
Everybody knew that breaking pitch down and away was coming. Everybody but A-Rod.
“Laura except that this Yankee offense is finally cranking on all cylinders so could very well knock ugly hayseed Beckett out of the game tonight.”
I hope so although A-Rod’s AB was nothing to write home about.
gotta get something here. beckett will settle down if he gets outta this.
giambi’s mustache got some just for mean jungle brown on the day off..
Laura Arod may be thinking about his Boston hooker and not be as focused as we would like!
Trisha, I understand, but I don’t buy it.
Youk is a baby and deserved to be smacked. I’m one of the few Yankees fans who likes Manny when he’s not playing us. I know he’s done some questionable things in the past so I understand why people might think he’s putting on a show.
just for men*
The stache is looking dark tonight.
The C stands for CHICKEN SH–.
Well, at least he threw a lot of pitches.
lob count… 2
Not our inning, but still eight more at bats to go. Plenty of time to do some damage, and we made him throw a ton of pitches for the first inning, too.
Darn. Wish we got something from that.
Let’s go Joba
The old Pedro rule applies. Just grind him out until they bring in a bullpen arm. good start.
76 more pitches to go..
Frank, it’s really hard to know because Manny is such an enigma.
It’s interesting thought to hear some of the WEEI broadcasters willing to buy into the whole thing as a Boras setup!
why does nesn use the straight back camera…its shaking…brutal brutal network
If I were Joba, I’d bust Ortiz inside with fastballs all day, just to test the status of his wrist.
The Yankees are going to have to adjust to this umpire tonight. They’re not going to be able to keep taking pitches from Beckett with a pitcher’s ump.
Bodes well for Joba though in his first start at Fenway. It would be a rough night for him if he were getting squeezed.
Good ol’ Yankees’ baseball there. Get somebody in scoring position then strand the poor guy there. Have to say that’s not a winning formula.
Hi Trisha – good to see you back.
At least the Yanks ran up the pitch count
umm david ortiz is umm special and ummm its great to ummm get him umm back…cuz he is umm special for our ummm lineup..
-Dustin “flea” Pedroia
Who are you, Mike Stanley, Phyllis’ boy friend?
“Good ol’ Yankees’ baseball there. Get somebody in scoring position then strand the poor guy there. Have to say that’s not a winning formula.”
It’s one inning, simmer down.
Joba amped.
“If I were Joba, I’d bust Ortiz inside with fastballs all day, just to test the status of his wrist.”
Or he should throw one of his nasty”wrist breaking” curves.
When will pitchers learn you can’t throw Pedroia ANYTHING over the belt.
” I’m one of the few Yankees fans who likes Manny when he’s not playing us.”
I’m curious – what exactly is it about Manny that you like? The way he stands at the plate and admires his HRs? The way he doesn’t hustle out of the box? His horrible fielding in left? His mop like hair?
Hey Fran! I figured I’d show up for my favorite team the Sux! This way I can’t get “scolded” for talking trash about the Yankees major and most hated rival, go figure…
Molina was setting up inside. Good strategy.
i gotta admit, there’s something kind of charming about people who are still surprised/disappointed when a-rod flounders in those situations. at this point, it’s like “larry king gets remarried” and “amy winehouse is hospitalized.” you can set your watch by it.
Strikes, Joba…
Did Giambi pull a Manny at the plate?
Beckett pitch count – 24
C’mon Joba!
“†I’m one of the few Yankees fans who likes Manny when he’s not playing us.â€
I’m curious – what exactly is it about Manny that you like? The way he stands at the plate and admires his HRs? The way he doesn’t hustle out of the box? His horrible fielding in left? His mop like hair?”
I hope your attitude changes a bit because Manny being Manny might be brining his show to the Bronx next year. You better believe it!
Ok good start in running up the pitch count but Mr. Unclutch, can’t handle pressure Rodriguez has to drive in a run there.
They had Beckett fishing and could have nailed him for a couple of runs. Not a good inning offensively.
Did Ortiz replenish himeself with his HGH? Amazing how he had no pop in the begginning of the year and now hes hitting a homer a day in the minors.
*rolls eyes*
joba roll two keep the pitch count down please
i never got the whole ’start then stop’ baserunning tactic, especially with a hitter like Ortiz up there.
….How the heck did Derek miss that tag?
come on Joba
it is early.
Joba needs to go fastball outside knee high.
he was out
Pedroia pulled off the ol’ “Paul O’Neil steal” from years back.
Out OUt OUT. Blown call number 1 for the Yanks.
Very close my ass… C’mon Remy… he was out.
Freakin chowder head, pull your head out of your Irish beer.
He was OUT!!!!!!
Let the screwing begin by AL umps.
It won’t be by a lot but I still want Joba to throw fewer pitches than Hayseed.
Replay has Jeter tagging him under the armpit on his side.
Come on Joba!! We need 6+ from you!!
“I hope your attitude changes a bit because Manny being Manny might be brining his show to the Bronx next year. You better believe it!”
I disagree. I think that Boston will re-sign him regardless of what he does. They have put up with his crap for years now. We’re supposed to believe that all of a sudden, they are done with him? I’ll believe that when I see it.
10 bucks Angel Hernandez will be an issue this series, regardless of the team. Worst ump in the majors.
Wow, he was out after all
On the replay, he was out.
That same pitch was a called strike when Beckett was pitching.
I won’t go through the reasons I like him. There are better reasons to hate a player other than hair or whatever.
There was a great article in the NY Times about what great friends he is with Jeter and A-Rod.
People either love him or hate him… I’m in the middle. I don’t like when he stands around when he hits a homer though.
Jeter has no range and no reach.
thinking about that play at second, it just shows how sloppy SS and 2nd are at applying the tag on stolen bases.
if you tag AT the guy instead of the phantom swipe, things like that would not happen.
Be consistent Ump!
What a joy to listen to Remy and Orsillo drone on and on about why Joba doesn’t like Pukelis… (as in, what did Puke ever do to him???)
I’m getting a kick out of Pedroia trying to look like a real man by growing a beard. Comical!
nasty
That pitch was insane.
I love how Molina calls a game.
Nice swing Alice!
10 bucks Angel Hernandez will be an issue this series, regardless of the team. Worst ump in the majors.
along with his love child Laz Diaz.
Joba out of the 1st inning – he threw a lot of pitches too but should have been out sooner if not for the blown call at 2nd base.
Joba is the man.
does joba not have a change?
Youk tried to hit that pitch with his purse.
I’m getting a kick out of Pedroia trying to look like a real man by growing a beard. Comical!
Actually it isn’t his hair. They are filming part 2 of the lame jimmy fallon/drew barrymore movie and rumor has it that they wanted to make fallon look older but Pedroia stole his beard from the make up trailer.
Joba got squeezed that inning and a blown call at 2nd and he gets out of it.
Whoops, meant manzier.
Trisha!
I’ve missed you! Where have you been????
“does joba not have a change?”
He can probably throw an above average change if he worked on it, but there’s really no reason to with three above-average major league pitches already. Maybe it’s something he’ll do in the offseason.
Robby will get a hit…
“Youk tried to hit that pitch with his purse”
lol. Thats pretty accurate.
“I won’t go through the reasons I like him. There are better reasons to hate a player other than hair or whatever.”
I mentioned his hair last. That’s the least of his offenses.
“There was a great article in the NY Times about what great friends he is with Jeter and A-Rod.”
Proof that they need to do a better job when choosing friends.
“People either love him or hate him… I’m in the middle. I don’t like when he stands around when he hits a homer though.”
I’m still waiting for someone to knock him on his butt for that. At the very least, it’s disrespectful.
I hope that was the last inning where Joba has to get more than 3 outs.
…Robbie.
Next year, you’re gonna hit like this April-June too, okay?
Cano is the streakiest hitter in baseball, hands down.
Who thinks Joba actually tried to throw at Youkilis?
I know it looked like he did, but I just don’t believe it. I don’t think it’s in Joba’s makeup to intentionally throw at someone like that.
Come on Melky – Let’s GO!
And Melky really, really, REALLY needs to stop swinging at the first pitch.
Molina is gonna turn on one and knock it over the monster.
I’m sorry, guys, but I have to say it. Ugh, Melky.
Melky is a darn fool at the plate. Jesus Christ.
Melky being patient as usual.
Melky
This is why Cano needs to start hitting further up or down in the lineup.
With this lineup, if he gets on base, he won’t move.
you’d think with a fastball that good you’d want to work to have one
Oy, Yankees, please don’t waste the leadoff hit?
Please?
I simply cannot wait til Austin Jackson is patrolling Yankee Stadium at some point in 09.
Among the most familiar recent sequences for a Yankees fan– Cano lines a single to left center, and Melky immediately follows with a routine, can of corn pop-up to left or center. Melky stinks
The problem with having Cano so high up in the lineup is that there isn’t anyone behind him to bring him home.
Hey Yankeefanfoev13! Things got a little too stupid around here at one point and so I just decided to hang out with another group of Y fans. But it’s all good. I decided that this would be a fun series to come back for! It’s really good to see a lot of the gang here.
too late Rebecca
Molina should not be allowed to swing his bat. Just take as many pitches as he can.
“I simply cannot wait til Austin Jackson is patrolling Yankee Stadium at some point in 09.”
I keep hearing 2010?
Wide strikes…..
This ump is being very generous to Beckett.
gardner throws the bat at everything — his body flys open he takes his left hand off the bat…he really is quite overmatched….he needs to take some lessons from pedroia
…We wasted a lead off single. Bah.
I don’t want to distract from what looks like a great game, but just happened by Mike Ashmore’s Thunder blog. Phil Coke appears to be leaving the game after the first inning in which he struck out 3 , walked 1. Mike says he didn’t appear to be hurt, wondering if a deal could be in the offing.
Coke’s been pitching great down there, and is a lefty. Interesting….
gardner needs to be replaced asap….he doesnt do anything at the dish.
“Molina should not be allowed to swing his bat. Just take as many pitches as he can.”
He’s good for a double every now and then.
Xavier Nady was pulled from the Pirates lineup before their game this evening. Apparently trade talks are either heating up or close to being established. There is no reported injury.
Even with the strikeout, that was a better at bat than Melky’s.
That was a tough last pitch.
Let’s go, Joba!
Wow, Gardner just looks so in between up at the plate.
Maybe a bounce back to AAA for some at bats is in order.
Gardner struck out looking?? Imagine my shock.
I don’t understand why Gardner is not protecting the outside corner. He is so good at fouling off those pitches but he constantly looks at strike 3 hitting that corner.
On a positive note, he made Beckett throw more pitches than Melky did.
Can someone tell Gardner that MLB pitchers throw strikes! Hell id prefer to see Christian in there. At least he looks like he has a plan to at least get the bat off his shoulders.
Guys, I just heard Nady was pulledd from the game in Pittsburgh
please sit brett down. he doesnt belong here and cant hit mlb pitching. i cant believe how much he strikes out.
let christian play.. he can atleast hit the ball.
shocking at bats by cabrera,molina,gardner
“I keep hearing 2010?”
2010 is the most realistic option but if he heats up in 2009 and Melky continues his struggles I can see them making a callup in midseason where he will be 22 years of age. At that age it’s reasonable to call up an outfielder.
Yeah, just posted that Rebecca. He isn’t injured either. Trade must be eminent.
Beckett countdown.
65 pitches to go.
wow a softball and lowell doesn’t miss many of those
“Guys, I just heard Nady was pulledd from the game in Pittsburgh”
Which means that he’s either hurt or has been traded. My guess is traded.
Pitch count doesn’t really apply to Beckett. He can throw 110+ whenever he wants. It’s more about the situations he’s put into.
“Guys, I just heard Nady was pulledd from the game in Pittsburgh”
Cashman probably threw up after seeing Melkys and Garders ABs and said “Enough is enough, we need some O!”.
WEB GEM!
and THAT is why you don’t trade the MELK MAN!!!!
Cano needs to move up in the order starting next season after Giambi leaves. This season he needs to bat lower, hopefully after a trade gives us another bat, so he’ll have Damon and Jeter waiting.
If only Melky could hit .270……
Hmmm… Coke pulled, Nady pulled. Just sayin’….
great catch,cmon joba not down the middle of the plate
Well Melky can’t hit but he can play defense
And therein lies the value of Da Melk!
That should be a web gem.
Melk never makes that catch. Now we gotta win tonight.
they are picking up joba’s pitches really well..
Betances is perfect through 3 innings with 2 strikeouts. Nothing hit hard.
Oh my god what a play by Cano.
Holy crap did we just play some D!?!?!?!
DO WE LOVE OUR GUYS??????????????
Yahoo!!!!!!!!!!!
OOOH thats some nasty defense.
Cano is a gold glover….
DEFENSE!!!!
cano gold glove defense this year
nady and marte have been traded….to where dunno yet
nady and marte have been traded….to where dunno yet
WEB GEM!
If only we can hit like we fielded that inning…
Cano never seems to fail at those sparkling plays. Great defense that inning.
Beautiful D, guys!
“Yeah, just posted that Rebecca. He isn’t injured either. Trade must be eminent.”
Sounds like it’s the Rays.
nice d, and that is how you win these games
Great D….IF only Melky could hit a bit better.
Cano and Jeter have this down pat.
Please God say we got Nady. He’s the perfect rental for this season.
Michelle, I think this is an issue that Joba will have to deal with as he progresses. He doesn’t have as much tilt on his fastball and slider because he can’t just air it out anymore. He needs to place his pitches more carefully. So far, he’s actually been pretty lucky, given the peripheral numbers. Then again, maybe he’s just that damn good
job doesn’t look good tonight
that play was absolutely incredible. Let’s get the bats going. I love the short inning for Joba!!
John Sterling has a bad case of premature broadcastulation. He calls out Pedroia at second on a steal when he was safe, then celebrates a Yankee rbi gap double to left center before it becomes a routine catch. Are Boston’s radio announcers on mlb.com an improvement? John’s giving me a heart attack here.
Nice defense. How ’bout some run support?
are three pitches were hit very hard…
Guess what? I just heard that Nady’s been pulled from the game tonight.
Joba = 29 pitches
Hayseed = 35 pitches
coke, has been working on a breaking ball and has been tearing it up…I wonder if its coke for nady straight up…i am trying to get a hold of my friend who is a sports writer in pittsburgh.
“6:46pm: MetsBlog relays an FSN Pittsburgh report that both Nady and Damaso Marte have been traded. Will Carroll says the same.
6:32pm: Xavier Nady was pulled from the Pirates’ lineup tonight after one inning. No known injury. “
BP reporting unconfirmed Nady and Marte have been traded to the Yankees.
We do not know for who.
Reports say Nady & Marte have been traded
Nady and Marte to the Yankees.
Well, considering how Melky and Gardner are in the game tonight, if the Yankees did indeed swing a deal with the Pirates, it’ll be all prospects. And for Nady and Marte, it’ll be good prospects. Tabata?
Cano hooked up with Ms. Arod over the All Star break. The evidence is clear. Playing much better.
Early speculation has Nady and Marte going to the Rays.
Anyone know where I can find a list of brawls in the history between the Yankees and Red Sox?
awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Both are awesome!
I was thinking the Cashman on the phone/Nady pulled from the game could somehow be related.
Will Carroll says theyre to the Yankees!
Coke for Nady. Please don’t. Word is the Bucs wanted at least 2 top prospects for Nady.
I wonder if this means the end of the Ian Kennedy era. Hopefully not!
“BP reporting unconfirmed Nady and Marte have been traded to the Yankees.”
Are they usually reliable?
friend in pitt, says ” definitely not the yankees, speculating its the rays”
Oy Yankees, you actually gotta hit if you want to win the game.
wow beckett is killing our hitter today =/
If Nady and Marte come to the Yankees it’ll probably include two AAA prospects at the least-Ohlendorf and Kennedy??
The ARod jet is getting fueled up at Teterborough!
Who has confirmed Nady and Marte to Yankees. I only see Nady and Marte traded but to no known team yet…
Rebecca, where did you hear it was to the Yanks?
Rebecca, it’s Josh Beckett, not Carlos Silva
But yea, I agree, they need to start putting guys on. Which is why it stinks that the Yankees didn’t capitalize in the first.
Pete just posted that Phil Coke was pulled tonight after just one inning.
If it’s us, we must be sending prospects. No one from our game has left so….
UPDATE: Pirates right fielder Xavier Nady and reliever Damaso Marte have been traded from the club.
Though the team confirmed a trade, the Pirates have not revealed where Nady and Marte are going or who the club is getting in return. According to the Pirates, those details will be revealed following medical evaluations of the players.
Though unconfirmed, the Yankees have been speculated as being on the other side of the deal.
Nady started Friday’s game and was removed after one inning. Television cameras caught Marte hugging his teammates in the dugout in the second inning, apparently shortly after learning the news.
Clay: Will Carroll.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=958
Nady @ Marte? I would like to be excited, but given the talk about how high the price tag was on each of these guys I’m concerned about what we gave up. Any chance IPK was the center piece with his recent stellar performance?
PETER A… any word on this trade??
Will Carroll reports they’re coming to the Yankees.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=958
Absolutely disgusting effort so far from our offense.
What kind of prospect is Phil Coke?
IT IS US!!! SPORTS ILL SAYS ITS US!
Nice, Bobby.
Cano and Bobby being patient and letting the ball get deeper into the zone.
Pedro maybe you have to give some credit to the hayseed.
However time for Alex to hit Jeter in.
What the hell happens to ARod and Fenway. Dude just cannot get into a groove.
Laura, any info on who we’re sending?????
A good prospect, but not a top flight one… yet. He’s a lefty.
If they were traded to us. Can they get here before the game is done? It will probably still be 0-0.
YANKS GET EM!
Oops, I meant time to hit Abreu in. Well at least it was a hit!
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=958
Nady and Marte are coming to the Bronx!
I’m afraid at what we might of gave up for those two.
Two players who aren’t really that special.
Nady was a utility player two years ago and Marte, a lefty, isn’t a super need.
Man I’m nevrous.
Just a guess, but if the deal is with the Yankees, then they want to delay the announcement to allow Brett to finish the game. Even if Brett’s not included, he will have to go down to Scranton to make room for Nady on the roster.
If it’s Ohlendorf or Kennedy, I would put my money on kennedy. Ohlendorf’s stuff is better and they may be grooming him to take Kennedy’s place. Think about it. This offseason, the Yanks are primed to make a run at CC Sabathia, not to mention having the option to resign Pettitte and Mussina to one or two year deals. With Wang and hughes coming back, these could be the guys in the rotation.
Sabathia
Wang
Hughes
Joba
Pettitte
Mussina
That’s six potential starters, with guys like Ohlendorf and Aceves in the minors. Where does Kennedy really fit in? you’d have to expect the Yanks to go after an ‘ace’ type, given the 88 million coming off the books.
tabata ohlendorf and two others according to si
Ditto for Alex.
“Laura, any info on who we’re sending?????”
It doesn’t say. Just says that they were traded to the Yankees.
friend in pitt just called again…says ” he meant definitely the yankees….we are sending olehndorf and someone else but hasnt heard the name”
According to SI.com’s Jon Heyman, the Yankees have acquired outfielder Xavier Nady and reliever Damaso Marte from the Pirates for Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf and two other minor league prospects.
While the trade has been agreed upon, according to Heyman, nothing will become official until all six players have been granted medical clearance
According to SI.com’s Jon Heyman, the Yankees have acquired outfielder Xavier Nady and reliever Damaso Marte from the Pirates for Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf and two other minor league prospects
Marte and Nady for Ohlendorf, Tabata, 2 other prospects.
Hahah Giambino yes!
“* Carl Pavano is scheduled to start a GCL game on Tuesday. Assuming he is not attacked by bees first or gets a sunburn.”
He’ll probably get stung by bees while getting sunburned. Then break his little toe running away from them.
That’s awesome Giambi. LOL.
lol giambino!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COOL BEANS!!!!
GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats definitely in the top ten funniest hits of the year.
Coke is 25, started in AA because of injuries, and was pretty good this year. 2 ERA, decent whip, K’s 3:1 K:BB
The kind of guy who doesn’t have a shot behind Hughes/Kennedy/Et al, but could thrive on the Pirates
HAHAHA F.. YOU SHIFT BOSTON
not thrilled with this deal
Funny post by the Trenton Thunder guy:
Something’s up after the first inning. Eric Wordekemper is already getting loose in the bullpen after Phil Coke rather efficiently struck out the side.
PHIL COKE PULLED FROM START AFTER ONE INNING. Eric Wordekemper in…he didn’t look hurt and the trade deadline is approaching. No clue what’s going on, guys.
Hmm, who would they have given up to get those players if it was the Yankees?
I’ll take that. lol.
Gotta love that shift!
And the stache puts some SERIOUS ENGLISH on that hit.
A run is a run… Nice!
Global Warming – My thoughts exactly. I mean an above average corner outfielder and another bullpen arm won’t exactly transform the team.
Not Tabata. I still had hope for him.
I feel a little bad for Ross but at least he will probably get a lot more playing time.
read that it was ohlendorf, kennedy and two other prospects from the nj.com yankee forums
Wow, Brandon will HATE that deal.
I can live with it, for now.
Hey.. a run scores with two outs.
Patience is a virtue.
Tabata, Ohlendorf, Coke, and one other guy? That`s a great deal for the Yankees
Ooh, so they settled on Ohlendorf. No wonder they were transitioning him to a starter.
And that’s a pretty precipitous fall for Tabata, no? He was hailed as a Manny-type hitter that was built like a fire hydrant. Hopefully this will turn out to be an Abreu-like trade for CJ Henry and some scrubs.
So is Nady going to platoon with Damon in LF and we’re sending Gardner and Christian back down?
This deal is great. We didn’t even give up anyone who the Yankees were going to be using any time soon. I think it’s safe to say Cashman worked some magic.
ohlendorff, coke and two others….he hasnt heard tabata’s name
seems alot to give up….nady is poor having a fluke year
Gave up on Tababta I see.
Darn.
I would have rather seen them deal Kennedy than Ohlendorf, but maybe Cashman is still reluctant to cut the cord on him.
Yankees get Marte and Nady from Pirates.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/07/new_york_yankees_to_acquire_pi.html
SoCalYankeeFan
nooooo i want tabata!
Count me on the Not thrilled with this deal list
If we added Kennedy to the deal, we overpaid.
Nady’s only hitting 330…
Not really a fan of this trade
wtf?? tabata??????????????
“Tabata, Ohlendorf, Coke, and one other guy? That`s a great deal for the Yankees”
Tabata makes it a horrible deal for the Yankees, IMO.
I can live with the deal
Heyman also said the trade won’t be announced until after medicals are complete.
No, I think the settled lineup will have Nady in LF often, with Damon at DH. It sure as hell beats having Gardner in the lineup.
tabata future potential > kennedy potential!
Plus, wasn’t Nady horrible with the Mets? If he can’t play for the Mets, he most certainly can’t play for us.
“This deal is great. We didn’t even give up anyone who the Yankees were going to be using any time soon. I think it’s safe to say Cashman worked some magic.”
If Tabata was included, it was a bad deal; Cashman can get more than Nady+Marte if he dangles Tabata.
In the long run, I think Ohlendorf will be a better starter than Kennedy. He was misused this year.
I would rather it be Kennedy in the trade. And not Tabata.
Tabata will probably be something. He’s the youngest player at his level and needs to get his head straightened out
This deal is giving up something to get something.
The best trades hurt.
The deal is pending a review of medical records, sources say. The Pirates will receive a package of four minor-league players, expected to be Class AAA right-hander Ross Ohlendorf, Class AA right-handers Phil Coke and George Kontos and Class AA outfielder Jose Tabata.
You have to be a fan of this trade.
Other than Tabata, who has SERIOUSLY fallen, no one else would see significant time in the Bronx. Coke is good, but we have too many starting pitchers ahead of him.
i dont like giving up tabata, that has kinda taken the excitement out of the trade imo
My guess is that Brett would go down, not Christian, because they want Brett to play everyday, having higher hopes for him than Christian.
Rotoworld is reporting Austin Jackson might be involved in deal.
If that’s the trade, perhaps LaTroy Hawkins is the 4th “prospect”.
Seriously, this will open the dorr to trade or release Hawkins.
Beckett at 57 pitches.
“You have to be a fan of this trade.
Other than Tabata, who has SERIOUSLY fallen, no one else would see significant time in the Bronx. Coke is good, but we have too many starting pitchers ahead of him.”
It’s not maximizing value if Tabata’s included.
In $$$ metaphor, it’s buying something for $100 when $75 should suffice.
***door***
I don’t see what the hype is about Tabata. I know he’s only 19, but he’s hitting .250 in AA, even after recovering from the hamate bone injury. His power hasn’t come around (and might never come around, and he hasnt been getting on base. He was three years away, at least. Maybe he’ll pan out, but maybe he won’t. I think dealing him as a “centerpiece” was a good move.
Im glad another team has Ohly over rated like some Yankee fans. He was never going to start here. I wonder if they gave up on Tabata because of his attitude problems? Now we still have Kennedy to trade for another usefull piece.
I have a feeling that there will be at least one more deal by Cashman.
Tabata has a lot of growing up to do and has injuries, right?
How is he showing signs of coming out of his slump? He’s been hitting .217 or .218 forever!
OT: twins centerfielder gomez was taken off the field on a stretcher after diving into the wall.
Could this mean Abreu might be traded?
Tabata’s stock has fallen in the past year. He has a lot of potential but you have to give to get.
Kontos is good too. But the Yanks have SO MANY pitchers. This really isn’t a bad trade. If we were deeper at position prospects, we might have gotten away without trading Tabata.
Does anybody know the length of Nady’s contract? I know Marte is a FA at the end of the season – wonder if he’ll be resigned or if we’ll use the picks to lessen the loss of prospects?
Yankees got fleeced.
Tabata who at 18 still has tremendous potential. 2 Pitchers with great arms, and coke.
For what? A corner outfielder who has had 1 good year and a lefty reliever.
Add me to the list of not thrilled.
Giving up Tabata is madness, he is still so young with huge upside and currently injured
we already have limited position prospects
DFox I’m liking the deal too. I like Nady and Marte.
Marte is a migraine for lefthanded batters, holding them to less than a .150 average in two of the last three seasons.
I won’t be upset if we lose Kennedy.
Both contracts end this year; Marte could be a type A. Nady an A or B.
There is NO way that both Tabata and Jackson are being traded.
If that’s the case then it’s a MAJOR MAJOR step backwards for the Yankees.
in other news… JOBA is dealing
Nady and Marte were THE two guys out there, and the Yankees swung a deal without really giving up anyone who would play for them in the next 3 seasons. A good deal.
Joba is dominant.
Gardner is probably going to be optioned down so he can get consistent at-bats now.
I can see Christian staying up though, but who goes down for Marte? Giese?
It’s sucks to say bye to Tabata.
Brandon will not be happy
Nice inning by Joba.
Nice inning by Joba.
S.O.S. if we ever saw Abreu traded I think I would start to root for another team because it would tell me the Yankee organization was totally bonkers!
(But of course it would never be the Sux.)
BTW-Rock on Joba
Does anybody know the length of Nady’s contract?”
Free Agent after the 09 season.
“Nady and Marte were THE two guys out there, and the Yankees swung a deal without really giving up anyone who would play for them in the next 3 seasons. A good deal.
Joba is dominant.”
Montero and Jackson won’t be here over the next 3 seasons, probably. Let’s deal them for Holliday, too! :snort:
I guess G Love will now express the love he always had for cashman
I dont know if that would be a bad trade for the Yankees or not, but just maybe the Yankees FO knows a lot more about Tabata’s state of mind in relation to being a Yankee, than we do?
from all reports, Cashman made a very good deal.
the mets and other teams, have been put off by the market demands for Nady and other outfielders.
Cashman gets the best lefty reliever available (who is signed next season) and maybe the #1 outfielder who will be made available (who is signed next season). And Cashman didn’t give up any of the untouchables.
would prefer to have kept Tabata to Kennedy. Despite Tabata’s stock, being in the basement.
Frank – I wasn’t suggesting Coke for Nady, but that both looked they could be in a deal. There’ll be plenty more than Coke from our side. But he’s really been pitching great lately in Trenton, and was perhaps our best lefty in the upper levels.
Marte is from the D.R and around the same age as Robbie and Melky… sounds like a new party buddy
Anyone know how many pitches Joba has?
Nady is not a sufficient replacement for Matsui. He’s not driving in 100 like Hideki did.
40 pitches vs 57 pitches
I like Tabata as much as any of you guys, BUT his success at the ML level is not guaranteed.
Nady and Marte have performed AT the ML level.
Kay, you’re a little slow there…
And the answer to the trivia question is Mike Lowell.
Is this official about Nady and Marte? What great news if true!!!!!
Oh, and awesome bounceback inning there for Joba, lest I forget!
I like that Nady doesnt strike out much. I dont believe Tabata and Jackson is in the deal. Jackson should be untouchable. I like it. Now lets dfa Hawkins.
SoS,
That Bobby question was a good one. Thanks for lightening the mood after the Tabata news. lol.
Sorry–that didn’t make much sense. Does anyone know how many pitches Joba has thrown?
How is it that we know more about this trade than Kay and staff
hhahaah micheal kay has no idea yet and we on a blog in our living rooms.. know already
No Austin Jackson in the deal. Thanks for all the discussion.
Joba – 47 pitches
Hayseed – 61 pitches
Joba is at 40 pitches.
with Marte coming into the bullpen….i guess Hawkins is gone…thank God!!!!!!!!
As soon as Nady and Marte report, Gardner or Christian go down and Hawkins and Giese are on the bubble.
Apparently Pitt is looking at all lefties all the time Maholm and Duke, Dumatrait on DL, and Gorzelanny demoted to minors. Now Coke too? Crazy.
safe — 2nd bad call…
Hit and run with Molina at the plate?
Also, I am not an Angel Hernandez fan.
wow two bad calls by the 2nd base ump
who says marte coming to the yankees
Anyone besides me love this deal? If Tabata turns into an all-star, then maybe not so much, but I think these players address the Yankees’ two biggest concerns, other than a starter who I don’t think the Yankees necessarily need if they swing a deal for washburn.
Tabata, Ohlendorf, Coke, and Kostas
Why? Why is he running? Why is Molina swinging? Why is the hit and run on with Molina at the plate?
Laura, but Nady beats Gardner.
He looked safe to me, but I’m biased.
Why run into outs?
I don’t get it.
“Both contracts end this year; Marte could be a type A. Nady an A or B.”
wrong. Marte has a $6 million option for next year and Nady is arbitration eligible.
its a very good deal for the Yankees.
El comedulce = not leaving anytime soon.
Nady beats many.
+142 OPS this year.
I like this trade.
“Laura, but Nady beats Gardner.”
At this rate, I beat Gardner!
Damon
Jeter
Abreu
A-Rod
Giambi
Cano
Nady
Melky
Molina
Anyone who doesn’t prefer that over a prospect that’s 2-3 years away?
christians and hawkins will be the odd mans out if the trade is true
nady and marte >>>> washburn and vidro!
has ems reached brandon yet?
i guess comparing tabata to jackson melian was not so farfetched after all lol
Yeah.Now get Washburn and we will be ready for the streach.
I bet Kay wanted us Yankees fans to be on the edge of our seats wanting those guys.Man that was a fast deal.I thought nothing was gonna happen till Monday or Tuesday.
Marte is the best pitcher on the market and Nady one of the best right hand power bats.
Great move.
at this rate buckett can pitch 7 innings
The only bad part about the deal is that Nady probably couldn’t get here fast enough to replace Gardner tonight, so we’ll have to live with him this game.
Nady and Marte for Tabata, Ohlendorf, Coke and Kontos.
don’t like Kontos in this deal too much, but it is what it is.
If anyone gets the real deal on who we traded please let me know. Remy and Orsillo haven’t even mentioned the deal.
mel,
Glad i can help.. Now if we can only find a taker for Pavano and Igawa.
This is a good, albeit not grade for several reasons:
1) Ohlendorf is overrated. He has never had any real semblance of success for a long period of time (either while starting or relief) in either the minor or majors (e.g: BAA .300 in the minors this year). He’s also by no means a young guy (26), so chances are that what you see is what you get. Besides, Yankees have Robertson, Cox, Melancon, so there’s quite a bit of depth there.
2) Tabata, according to scouts, has lost a lot of bat speed. He may still become a pretty good outfielder, but it’s hard to see him ever becoming anything truly SPECIAL. He’s also overweight and has temper problems. Despite being only 19, there’s a few red flags there.
3) Coke is pretty much a non-prospect. Besides being left-handed, he doesn’t really have any special attributes. Kontos might end up being a serviceable no. 5 guy, but is very inconsistent with his fastball/slider combo.
4) Nady is remarkably cheap. He’s making only 3.5M this year, which means if he is signed next year it will be for less that realistic market value, despite his pretty good contribution (around 800 OPS). If he declines arbitration like he did this year, or is not wanted, he can be let go and the Yankees will receive compensating draft picks.
Marte isn’t cheap (6M option for next year) but is one of the few consistently high-performing relievers. Opposing lineups have to now match up with the Yankees in the late innings.
So, really, the only truly difficult player to lose in this situation is Tabata, and it’s not out of the realm of possibility that if Nady is let go, some Matt LaPorta type bat will be lurking in the late stages of a 1st round draft next year.
global warming: cashman did not get fleeced. Not unless, Jackson were in the trade.
Thanks, Trisha
I think (stating the obvious) that as much as they used to love Tabata, they just decided that Austin Jackson was the more solid, reliable option for CF. So even if Tabata goes on to become an All-Star, it’s not like the Yankees are left bereft at that position. Jackson (hopefully) will be an All-Star too.
coke is a lefty and talented.
Marte is 33 years old
for whoever suggested he was Cano/Cabrera’s age.
Nady is arbitration eligible for ‘09
Marte has a $6M option. Pirates were not going to pick it up and feared he’d accept arbitration.
The Yanks have 7 hits and only 1 run
There’s no way Gardner stays up in the bigs with Nady in left. He needs consistent at-bats, so he’s definitely the one going down.
It’s never about the money for the Yanks, its about the players they forfeited in the deal. Tabata is a really hard player to project given his age, and he’s supposedly the centerpiece of everything.
The one thing that reassures me more than anything is that the Yankees were dealing with the Pirates, who haven’t really swung a good deal since the Nixon administration.
Great move… A-Jax has passed Tabata as Yanks best OF prospect. In 79 Games, Taba is hitting .248 BA, 3 HR, 36 RBI, 10 SB,,, 19 years old, will be 20 on August 12th
Great trade!!!
Ohlendorf, Coke, Tabata and Kontos…good deal by Cashman.
Melky was safe at 2nd base last inning. That one call cost us a run with no outs. You guys say the umpires don’t matter but they do. Giambi got rung up on a ball in the first to bail out Beckett, the missed call at 2nd base on Pedroia’s steal and the 3rd strike on Ortiz cost Joba possibly 7-8 pitches. Who knows if these calls will matter? They certainly could the way this one is going.
Phil Coke and George Kontos are consider? b/c?
as I said above, Kontos IS the other guy in the deal
LOVE this deal. I will now stop bashing Brian Cashman for the remainder of this season.
He dealt some prospects and we got some huge assets for this year and next year.
Huzzah!
Now get them to Boston, stat!
Woo hoo!
oh, Melky…he shoulda been called safe as a makeup call for that BS w/ Pedroia before!
Just scrolled up and saw who’s going in the deal, it’s tough to give up Tabata, but he’s still a BIG what if. At some point I think you have to take the risk to improve your ML club. As long as AJax isnt going, I’m fine. I’ve liked Nady for the Yanks for some time, before this big year, and I’m happy it is actually happening. A good move for now and the next few years, IMO.
Heh, I’m amused that we’ve actually found a way to upstage the Yankees-Sox game.
Trisha
Pete confirmed who above.
canocabrera
July 25th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Marte is from the D.R and around the same age as Robbie and Melky… sounds like a new party buddy
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Right country but off on age. Damaso Marte is 33 (2/14/75
“Marte is from the D.R and around the same age as Robbie and Melky… sounds like a new party buddy”
I dont think they want their father at the party.
Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf, Phil Coke and George Kontos
The Jewel of that deal is Tabata, the kid has been one of the darlings of the Yankees system and at one time was projected to be the Yanks CF of the future, but Austin Jackson has been given that tag.
Phil Coke is a AA pitcher, good stuff.
George Kontos – Great young starter, seen him pitch twice this year. He has a nice slider and a good fastball. AA level.
Ross Ohlendorf, he got thrown into the relief role which was a mistake, he was sent to AAA a month or so to stretch to be a starter, looks like it worked in the their favor.
Overall, the Yankees gave up 1 A prospect and 3 B prospects for the best lefty reliever available and a good right hand bat. i cant complain.
Micheal Kay finally announcing the trade to the Yanks
Gardner is an oxygen thief. No way he should have swung at that pitch.
2nd base ump getting a nice check from NESN after the game.
Alex out on strike in 1st and not one was in the SZ.
This is why you hate games in Boston.
Robbie, umm, you’re supposed to catch the hop…
Countdown
30 more pitches..
*blinks*
I think Armageddon just happened.
ugh, unlucky hop
“coke is a lefty and talented.”
He’s 25 and in AA.
I think I like this trade. Tabata’s stock had really dropped. I know he’s 19 and all, but his makeup issues concern me. If I was going to part with Jackson or Tabata, I had to go with Tabata.
Hey, maybe Nady keeps his numbers up for the rest of the season
And he can spot in at 1B too…once Damon can get back in the field, they can send Sexson off too. I’m hoping Nady only regresses partway to his career norms next year
Not Cano’s fault there. Bad break.
yankees should of held out for jason bay instead of xavier nady.
Kontos and Coke are C level prospects.
Ohlendorf’s stock fell with his performance this year.
Tabata is too young and his bat has slowed. He may be good if he matures and collects himself. No longer a top prospect, but still B plus.
Can’t blame Cano for that one. The ball caught the edge of hte grass and took a weird hop. He was lucky not to take it off the face.
I’m sorry, but Coke is not “talented.” He’s 26 in AA. His fastball is 88. Simply put, who cares?
i think as much as pavano has burned us, he was an 18 win pitcher and if he gets his crud together, he could pay big dividends down the line for us. Especially if wang cant come back. I also like his potential for maybe a long reliever down the line.
I wonder if it was Cashman or a Steinbrenner who pulled the trigger on the trade.
I like the trade simply because we didn’t give up a whole lot for proven players.
alex: Nady will not be let go. He is the NYY RF’er for 2009.
I got the birthday on the wrong Marte lol
wow what a trade….i dont know how these roster moves will shake out but christian/gardner have to be sent down but who else?
Well let’s hope both of em will be in the lineup tomorrow!
Nady plays first as well? Uh oh. That may spell doom for the Big Sexy.
Anybody know Nady’s status for 2009
Marte has a 6 mil option with a 250,000 buyout
Cashman seems hesitant to deal the jewels and the power arms. Everyone else is up for grabs, it seems.
I really don’t see how folks can be upset about this deal.
Phil Coke and George Kontos aren’t even on the Top Ten list of Yankee pitching prospects. Both guys are at least two years away from the majors, even if they make it at all.
Ohlendorf? Where does he fit now with the emergence of Veras and Ramirez, along with Melancon, Cox, and Sanchez in the minors?
Tabata? The reality is, he has fallen out of favor with a lot of folks. Even if he gets it together (which I hope he does), he is still several years away from being an impactful major leaguer.
They not only get Nady and Marte for this year, they have them for next year. No small feat.
All you have to do is watch Gardner hit to realize they can’t keep running him out there everyday. Sorry but, he’s not Nady.
Marte? Are you kidding me? The guy is outstanding.
That’s an excellent move by the Yankees.
None of the 4 guys traded were going to crack the lineup next season and the Yankees have Nady and Marte for this year AND next year.
Great deal.
Vinny-b,
Yeah, you’re probably right. But then that simply implies that Abreu will be, which still means compensation picks/trade.
Pat, thanks.
Laura –
)) I bet you could beat Gardner!
I think we made a very good trade. With Jorge down we definitely needed some offense. We certainly just upgraded our offense!
I really love watching Marte. He really has a nasty slider. And he is murder on lefties.
I was pleased with our team as constituted. Therefore I am even happier since we just upgraded.
Not a big fan of that deal. Cone/Leiter/Kay comments not aside. Would have prefered a legit 4 starter.
The only issue with Tabata being included in the deal is him passing the physical.
Do you guys realize that we have about 10 players who can man 1B? LOL!
John Sterling: ITS JUST A RUMOR…
Waldman: durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Since when did the Boston Dugout host reggae night during games?
the red sox bullpen can carry a tune
All the Pirates fans at MLB Trade Rumors hate it
Do we have an official count for Joba? One site said 54 pitches.
Betances in 5 innings….1 hit, 1 walk, 5 strikeouts.
Hopefully, this deal will convince Posada to get that surgery he needs. What’s the use of having him in the lineup with Nady in there?
That was a crappy strike call there. Too bad they couldn’t take advantage of it.
SJ44,
Yeah i agree, for the same reasons I posted above. What’s also nice is that this means we don’t have to see Melky/Gardner/Molina as the bottom 3, which, bluntly put, is a black hole.
come on Joba!
Waldman just said IPK was going to Pitt.
GOODNESS GRACIOUS – – I wish she would get better sources.
Great news on the trade! I guess Gardner is cuttable from my fantasy team though.
Outstanding deal! Great job Cash!!
Maybe Tabata’s early season blowup showed him to be a Manny type. He was always compared to Manny so maybe he emulated him to the point of the hierarcy losing interest and considering him as expendable.
He’s now the Pirates project. Any trade involves the element of chance.
That ball went over the inside part of the plate.
WTF?
Anyone besides me have more respect for Francona after his careful management of the Yankee players in the All Star Game?
Both Derek and Mariano felt comfortable enough to stand with him until the end of the game.
ARod of course, thinking only of himself, left in the 5th – what a rude, selfish jerk.
“Would have prefered a legit 4 starter.”
Still have time. The deadline is Thursday. And the Yanks made this trade and have held on to all of their top prospects.
Come on Brian, we can still get another starter the trade deadline hasn’t come yet. that was a GREAT trade, ross was useless, tabata could be great but we have jackson, and the other two aren’t anything to write home about.
And Nancy Drew struck out!
Newark Star Ledger says its Kennedy not Kontos
cash money.
it seems as though nady is only signed though 08 at 3.55 mil according to this site
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/pittsburgh-pirates_08.html
Back to work bats!!
I can’t believe Cashman traded Tabata …
SJ: If you like the deal, I like the deal!
Laura – Joba at 62 pitches.
Hayseed at 70.
It would be nice for once if Joba could have more than 1 run to work with.
Do we all remember who the Yankees traded Marte away for a few years ago? (excuse the terrible syntax)
SI’s Heyman has the same players as Pete – no trade for IPK.
i guess brandon had to be sedated, poor guy
In addition, Nady is only 29, so it’s not like we traded for some 38 year old outfielder. He’s now our 3rd youngest starter.
i wonder who’s family owns a bunch of diners in queens
Couldnt this trade have waited till Joba was done pitching? He isnt getting any love. I am going out on a limb and say that we have ourselves an ACE out dueling the sox ace. Thank you Flash Gordan for going to phili.
At this point, do we know who was really included in the trade?
Excellent. I was saying a few weeks ago when Sherman first reported Pitt’s interest in Ohlendorf how sweet it would be if he were turned for Marte-Nady. Tabata could be good, but we can’t sit around forever waiting for his maturity issues to be resolved.
End of the season, either or both of these guys could be turned into quality draft picks which could easily net us guys with the kind of promise Tabata and Olly have.
I love our rotation and don’t want to mess with success. With Hughes on the horizon and Wang hopefully returning, I don’t see any need/sense in going near a starter.
Hell I think we could do the season with the rotation we have no sweat!
This would be a great time not to hit into a DP, Jetes!
Dougie M. is jealous. He wishes he was coming back to NY.
I see Betemit going to Seattle as part of a Washburn deal. With Nady also available to be used at 1st base, the Yankees can call up Gonzo to cover the other 3 infield positions.
Better balance – more flexability.
love the trade….
Jeff NJ,
why on earth would you have gardner on your fantasy team…holy homeritis….
I don’t think Tabata was the same after his wrist injury (pay attention, David Ortiz), and with the issues in Trenton, Cash -who cherishes his prospects – must have been negatively impressed enough to deal him.
Given the length of time before Tabata could be ML ready – wrist or no wrist – not a bad calculation.
Bye bye Tabata, you will be missed, good luck with the Pirates
Next up, Menky!
Poor Dougie. He really loved being a Yankee.
This punk Nady better be worth it, IMO Tabata when it’s all said and done will have a better career. That’s just my opinion but Nady better be worth it.
For the people pissed at giving up Tabata. Dont worry. If he amounts to anything in the near future. We’ll just get him back for cj henry.
I wonder if Abreu is hearing footsteps?
Not a bad deal. You have to give in order to get, and the Yanks were able to obtain a couple of players who can actually help the big club long term. I don’t know what to make of Tabata. His attitude left a lot to be desired, but he has a significant amount of talent. I believe Ohlendorf can still be a solid major league pitcher. I love Kontos’ arm, and believe that his best upside is as a power reliever. Coke is more or less a “throw in,” but I’m sure he will get a shot with Pittsburgh that he unlikely wouldn’t have gotten with the Yankees…
I’m happy for this deal as well – suggested going for a package of Nady and Marte weeks ago. Paid with some good players, but this doesn’t devastate us.
Nady can’t decline arbitration yet. And Marte has a monstrous option for next year, but he renogtiated his prior deal with Pitt that was ending in a big option for added years at $2MM each, then this ending option. Maybe we can stretch him out again with a similar deal for extra year, lower rate, big option at end. That might be nice -probably dreaming though.
Really tough luck. Abreu’s really stinging it.
In the meantime, Joba is holding his own vs. “Ace” Beckett.
Brandon, I’m real sorry man. The Yanks will be ok though which should be ok with you too.
Yankees’ hitters always find a way to not score.
Youkilis was in the wrong spot at the wrong time.
Joe, Joba is. Although I would also love to get a few insurance runs, as Girardi says we have to find a way to win these kinds of games also…
so where will this trade put Damon/ Melky/ Abreu…I think Melky is the odd man out.
Sux announcers still haven’t heard about the deal.
Look at it this way, at least we got them to lower their price.
“I wonder if Abreu is hearing footsteps?”
Why would he? Nady will play left.
From Rosenthal
“The deal with the Pirates might not be the Yankees’ last before Thursday’s unrestricted trade deadline. The team also is pursuing Mariners left-hander Jarrod Washburn for its rotation, and the Mariners spoke with Washburn on Friday about waiving his no-trade clause to the Yankees, according to a major-league source.
Ken Rosenthal says talks for Washburn are continuing
good god PLEASE not washburn! i would think with kennedy/aceves/mccutchen/karstens/even igawalbatross, we can run out the season safely (and i see no real reason to cut the line on ponson/rasner yet).
It will be interesting to see how Nady does and if his performance affects what happens to Abreu next season.
I’m happy to hear that they are actually going to go for it again this year. For a while it didn’t look like it. We just need another starter and we’re set.
anyone know how nady is in the OF? arm, speed, fielding?
anyone know how nady is in the OF? arm, speed, fielding?
anyone know how nady is in the OF? arm, speed, fielding?
Nady is hitting .330 so far this year. This is way better than his pre-2008 average of .272.
Why?
Well he is striking out a bit less (16% vs 19%)
Walking the same 7% vs 6%
4% of ABs result in a HR (same)
His BABIP (batting average on balls in play)
is up from .309 (.300 is average) to .367.
In other words, he’s had quite a string of luck so far this year.
The guy is a .270 hitter who doesn’t walk much with a low OBP (.314) and decent power. He is not a star.
.879 zone rating – not bad – an improvement over Abreau for sure.
newark star is reporting that kennedy is the 4th player not Kontas ???
mlbtraderumors.com
7:25pm: Ken Rosenthal confirms it: minor leaguers Ohlendorf, Coke, Kontos, and Tabata. My impression at first glance: the return is not terribly impressive for Nady and Marte. I don’t like the idea of the Bucs taking Tabata as the centerpiece – there is too much projection involved with him. If Ohlendorf and Ian Kennedy could’ve been had, I would’ve opted for that.
Rosenthal also says the Yankees’ talks for Jarrod Washburn are still ongoing.
“Why would he? Nady will play left.”
If Damon can get back out in the field, Nady could press Abreu in RF. After all, Abreu has been pretty heinous this year on D and really nothing special at the plate either.
If the Yankees deal Igawa for Washburn, it will be the funniest Yankee trade of all time. The Mariners will be absolute morons for doing it.
wow, that’s a very good trade for us. tabata is a flip of a coin now and we got the righty back and the lefty in the pen. i wish ohly well. good work brian.
The other benefit to the deal…..
The Red Sox were all over Marte. They thought they had a deal for him involving Moss and Bowden a couple of days ago.
Its why Buster Olney said it was “likely” Marte would end up in Boston.
A lot of people in baseball thought the Pirates would do that deal. Instead, Cash sweetened the pot and got Marte as well as Nady.
Keeping Marte out of Boston is as good as getting him. He would have made the back end of the Red Sox bullpen much better.
Rebecca now you know what I knew and can stop crying.
point taken Michelle. This could be a great night for the Yankee faithful if Joba can hold the lead.
cashman is on the phone yelling someone “fire up the jet and get Nady and Marte to Boston!”
Hysterical – Sux announcers talking about the Marte and Nady deal and talking about all the different teams that want them. But they hear rumors that the Yankees might be the team that got them.
Really just gave high marks to Marte!
Take Nady or Abreu and Trade him for a # 2 starter and some more prospects. They both can’t stay.
losing tabata is not a big deal. he was years away from making this team.
ohlendorf kinda hurts.. i really liked him and thought he could be a legit pitcher.
for all the guys who are in love with tabata and think he is so amazing, just look at your hero brett gardner and how bad he’s been… prospects dont end up the way you think.
the idea of a future outfield of gardner, austin jackson and tabata would have been so unproductive.
Do we have to give Joba the Franchise name? Or do we give him the nickname of King Joba? Thoughts on a nickname for our young ACE.
Nady is a decent fielder. Nothing special, but nothing bad about his game either. Average to slightly above is what I’ve read.
After my initial shock of Tabata’s name, I think I’m on board with this deal. It isn’t a good trade unless it hurts.
I am -not- in love with Nady, but he fills a need. This tells me Jorge’s having his surgery, and Matsui’s out for the season. Nady can play LF and Damon DH most of the time.
An awesome deal. This is so cool, I thought we’d have to give up Melancon, Montero or Jackson to make a deal like this happen. I’m very happy with it.
Wow, Joba is really putting the Red Sox to sleep. with all the excitement about the deal, we’re forgetting that Joba is mowing the Red Sox down at Fenway like nothing.
The Star Ledger has changed their report to take out Kennedy
How was Varitek in the All-Star game again?
good thing that loser tabata is traded. Overweight, no power, decent outfielder, and bad attitude. I mean threatening to quit the team? what kind of crap is that. go to pitt with the rest of the losers.
Pittsburgh isn’t too far from Boston. Do you think we could get Marte here for a lefty matchup with Ortiz in the late innings?
If we could get Washburn/Vidro for Igawa and a non-prospect, I don’t see why we shouldn’t do it…
fleas: I’m not crying. At all. Feel bad for Brandon, though.
SoS: Joba is Joba. He doesn’t need a nickname.
Meanwhile Joba with the 1-2-3 inning
“The other benefit to the deal…..
The Red Sox were all over Marte. They thought they had a deal for him involving Moss and Bowden a couple of days ago.
Its why Buster Olney said it was “likely†Marte would end up in Boston.
A lot of people in baseball thought the Pirates would do that deal. Instead, Cash sweetened the pot and got Marte as well as Nady.
Keeping Marte out of Boston is as good as getting him. He would have made the back end of the Red Sox bullpen much better.”
Totally agreed SJ – I said last week that I want the Yankees to pursue Marte – not to actually get Marte, but to keep the Sox and Rays from getting him. He’s the best of the lefty relievers out there; Fuentes would get destroyed in the AL East, and Sherrill’s ok but not great. And the Orioles are TOUGH to deal with.
What an overpay by Cashman. Tabata ? Seriously ?
We still need to get Joba more runs!!
it is nice to complete a trade, without paying the yankee tax. For once, we paid Red Sox prices.
Hopefully this move will scare Abreu into awesomeness as he is definitely not returning to the Bronx. Washburn could still be just on the horizon remembering that the M’s wanted OF help in that deal.
Jeez Joba looks great in his Fenway debut. Yanks hold on here its going to be a major bummer in the Sox clubhouse as they may have just witnessed the birth of a major adversary for years to come. Come on guys lets scratch out some runs.
Wow…NADY!
Did not see that coming!
Joba at 75 pitches.
Does anybody know what kind of throwing arm Nady has? I assume if he’s a LF it is good.
Maybe even better than Damon’s
It seems like even the guys in the booth are a little distracted by the trade. Its almost as if the game isnt even happening.
“If Ohlendorf and Ian Kennedy could’ve been had, I would’ve opted for that.”
You’d rather trade a guy with very high probability of being a solid, cheap major league starter over a headcase who’s been called “little Manny” but has never hit for any power ever?
Look, I appreciate that Tabata has been hyped as a potential all-star hitter. But the kid was probably three years away, with this season basically being lost. Kennedy can help starting (probably) next year. Basically, they had to bet on Jackson or Tabata…I have a hard time saying they’re wrong.
It’s almost like they DO scout their own players, Michael Kay…
Check that – he’s a RF
TKinDC, I have a better arm than Damon in left. I think we all do.
At first was upset about the trade but the more I think about it the more I like it. We really only gave up Tabata, since ohlendorf, kontos, and coke are behind so many pitchers in our system (Wang, Joba, Hughes, IPK, Betances, Sanchez, Marquez, Horne Cole, Brackman, Acaves, etc.) not to mention any fa pickups. Tabata, for all his potential is still at least years away from the majors, with the risk he doesn’t get there.
We get Marte and Nady for two years which gives us flexibility with the outfield market next year, since otherwise we need to sign abreu or someone else for rf, and depth in the outfield with damon and matsui seemingly frailer. I think this guarantees Giambi is gone and Matsui moves into the dh role. And we’ll have marte next year which gives us a top flight lefty in the bullpen
I like Goose Gossage, and I believe that he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, however, he’s slightly overrated (in my opinion).
Manny needs an MRI done on his head.
WHo is going to pitch the 8th onight now that those fools made Joba a starter?
9 hits…..the Yankees should really be putting the screws to beckett, but somehow it’s only 1-0.
“Take Nady or Abreu and Trade him for a # 2 starter and some more prospects. They both can’t stay.”
Perhaps they know more about Damon’s shoulder than we do, hm?
Or, yeah…maybe Abreu’s on the move. I might not be terribly upset.
“This tells me Jorge’s having his surgery, and Matsui’s out for the season”
I kinda thought the same thing too, SE.
My only concern here (and it’s a small one) is that Marte could upset the bullpen formula. Remember when the Sox added Gagne last year and demolished arguably the team’s greatest strength, the bullpen — he was awful and Francona was obligated to use him. I obviously wouldn’t expect Marte to be as bad as Gagne was. But our bullpen -has- been awesome.
Ok, A-Rod; we’ll take it.
why do i keep seeing that abreu is gone??? Nady plays left field not right and he is a first baseman. What has abreu done that everyone is so happy to get rid of him, beside not running into walls???
Rebecca,
Point taken.
Michael Kay-Rod… hahhaa
This deal should also push Posada onto the operating table unless they are planning to put Damon back in center. Unlikely.
“9 hits…..the Yankees should really be putting the screws to beckett, but somehow it’s only 1-0.”
A lot of K’s, a little luck (that hard liner at Youk), and Molina blew that hit and run.
Pete: If there’s a downside to this move, we won’t know it till Tabata, Kontos and Coke are ML ready, and by then the Yankees will have moved forward
I wonder if Hank was talking about Bonds yesterday and today purposely so people in the media would pay attention and write about that instead of picking up on the Pitts. trade talk. You never know. Or Hank was just talking for the sake of talking like he usually does.
Too little return for Tabata. Not so sure I like this, but I also remember Ruben Rivera. Youn 5 tool players with attitude problems are suspect.
Good luck to Ross. Intelligent young man from Princeton and he deserves all the success he is sure to have. Hard work plus talent can be pretty unstoppable.
This is the type of deal that either puts you above in the race or holds you back a few years, position prospects w/ Tabata’s upside (I guess Cash was full of it). Again Nady who is 1 yr. away from FA better be worth it. Marte is but we could have got Marte w/o adding a position prospect. One thing is Pitt. new GM sure can scout, how many times did we say Coke is gaining velocity and I go on record saying I don’t like this deal because we gave up too much. I’ll give it a chance but right now I’m not fond of it.
“Or, yeah…maybe Abreu’s on the move. I might not be terribly upset.”
Im thinking the same thing. Maybe we can get a good young catcher for him.
DAH-muh-soh MAR-tay
I like Abreu (despite his questionable fielding) and would like him to stay. But someone is going to have to go next year after Matsui gets back.
i would presume gardner is sent down and hawkins is dfa, which is the 2nd 40 man spot needed
Get A-Rod home please.
“why do i keep seeing that abreu is gone??? Nady plays left field not right and he is a first baseman. What has abreu done that everyone is so happy to get rid of him, beside not running into walls???”
Um…Nady’s a right fielder.
Also, Abreu, it turns out, has cost his team more runs on D than any other RFer in the AL, according to at least one defensive evaluation system. Even if they’re a bit off…he’s still not been very good out there. And his numbers at the plate are way off too.
I would be extremely disappointed if Abreu were going anywhere. But I guarantee you that isn’t going to happen. I guarantee you that Betemit isn’t going anywhere either because Cashman loves the guy.
Now we’ll see if my guarantees are any good!
“why do i keep seeing that abreu is gone??? Nady plays left field not right”
Nady’s career has 394 RF starts and 54 LF starts.
He’ll play left for us the rest of the year unless they want to spot in Damon.
Difference is that Gagne was a closer and they put him into the 8th inning. Unless I’m mistaken, I see Marte mmore as a lety specialist, what Billy Traber was supposed to be.
I see a lot of people are discussing Ohlendorf as a starter. He isn’t.
He was starting in Scranton because Cash and the Yanks brain-trust wanted him to work on his secondary pitches. He throws 100mph but gets hit too much. If he could improve his offspead stuff it would make his fastball harder to hit.
They didn”t see him as a starter down the line, they just wanted to get him enough innings to get some decent work in. If he made the right adjustments he’d have been brought back to NY as a reliever.
BTW that is our 4th leadoff hit in 6 innings. We didn’t score on the other 3. Hope this one is different.
Abreu won’t go this year, but the Yankees will be less inclined to make him an offer next year if Nady does well.
Getting Marte is great, Nady is just icing on a delicious cake. Losing Tabata may hurt us down the road, but this is the kind of trade we had to do with the cathedral closing(wipes tears)at the ond of the of the 08′ season.
To me this is Cashman coming through in the clutch down the stretch. A-Rod should be taking notes lol.
Michelle, Nady is primarily a right fielder and Im sure he will be our RF next year as Abreu is a FA and a poor fielder with a slightly declining bat. The Yanks signing him to another contract would not be wise.
Tell me, why are people defending Tabata so fiercely? His game has slipped in the past year and a half. Someone make the argument for him, please, because I would love to hear it.
Captains Corner,
Hank deeking the press. Im loving him more and more everyday.
Robbie will knock him in – he is in the zone!
The ’stache has been crappy for awhile now. Maybe he should shave it.
If the Yankees hold onto this lead we’ll see Farnsworth and then Mariano.
Many of you still dislike Kyle, and I don’t get it. But look at it this way – you’ll see him pitch his last 8th inning tonight if it turns out this way. Marte will assume the set-up role.
if abreu leaves, we would be losing all our left-handed power because i dont see giambi being re-signed…
I hope they start to give Abreu some more games as DH and let JOhnny play LF if he is healthy enough. Be good to have someone out there who’d chase down a ball even if it goes onto the warning track.
“This is the type of deal that either puts you above in the race or holds you back a few years,”
You’re being overdramatic. Tabata is still basically ALL projection. With a lost year this season, he’s probably 2-3 years away from the bigs. With Jackson having turned a corner, one of them became expendable. They bet on Jackson. Far from an unreasonable decision.
Rebecca, I didn’t know there was someone named brandon on this blog.
why do i keep seeing that abreu is gone???
Michelle, Abreu isn’t going anywhere. He is the only Yankee that has hit successfully against the Sux in Fenway. He’s fast on the bases, he works hard, he is very good in the field, he has a great arm, and he hits well in general.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!
“Difference is that Gagne was a closer and they put him into the 8th inning. Unless I’m mistaken, I see Marte mmore as a lety specialist, what Billy Traber was supposed to be.”
Actually, Marte has been Pitt’s closer, though he doesn’t have anywhere near the hype surrounding him that Gagne had. He’s no specialist, though; he can get righties out.
Really, I don’t think it’s an issue. Marte would have to be -really- bad for this to be another Gagne.
Abreu and Ian Kennedy to Atlanta for Texeira. How does that sound?
two years ago, this is the type of trade we would not be able to make. It is nice to have a farm system.
For those against the trade – you guys fail to see the logic. Ohlendorf was expendable. The Yankees have a bevy of young starters ahead of him and he got an audition as a reliever and was OK. The Yanks have plenty of arms (starting and in the bullpen) so Ohllie was expendable.
Coke and Kontos are mid-level propsects. They don’t project better than back end of the rotation guys or bullpen types. Those guys are a dime a dozen.
Now everyone’s up in arms about Tabata. Yes, he’s only 19. BUT he had some serious attitude issues at AA Trenton. He’s been overmatched even though he was the youngest player in the Eastern league – but he’s earned a rep as a head case. His power hasn’t come along – maybe it will – maybe it won’t. Plus he’s had injury issues too. The Yankees SOLD HIGH on him. The guy was hitting .240 at AA. If he was putting up Ajax numbers – you have a gripe. Even with his age, it seemed like a high sell. He’s 2-3 years away from the majors at the minimum. A lot can go wrong from there. If he works out – so be it… but Tabata had fallen in the eyes of a lot of talent evaluators. He would not have kept his status as a top 10 propsect at season’s end.
I’m not sold on Nady and Marte but its an upgrade over what the Yanks had. I didn’t see a pressing need for a LHP in the bullpen – but they wanted it and got a decent one.
Nady is having a career year and I’m not sold on him but maybe he’s a late bloomer. I’m not sure on the details of Nady’s contract… but worse case, you have a suitable stopgap next year when the Yanks let Abreu walk.
For what the Yanks got – they didn’t give up much at all.
Stay tuned!
please get him home
Laura I guess I am saying the same thing, definitely about this year. Abreu will not be traded this year. I’m not sure he won’t be re-signed next year.
“if abreu leaves, we would be losing all our left-handed power because i dont see giambi being re-signed…”
If you haven’t noticed, he’s not providing a lot of left-handed power.
Giambi is a lot more likely to be re-signed than Abreu. First of all, he’s still providing positive value at his position. Abreu isn’t. Second, they’re paying him 5 mil next year no matter what. Third, he’d probably take a one year deal.
Confucius:
The difference with Marte compared to Gagne is that Gagne wanted to be a closer still like when he was in Texas prior to the deal. Gagne was not very reliable either.
In addition, Marte is more of a lefty specialist than a 1-2 inning guy. We can send down Giese/Robertson or DFA Hawkins to make room for him without messing up the BP chemistry.
We have nine flippin hits! They only have three.
I really like the trade but…I am assuming that Marte is going to be the 8th inning set up man and not a lefty reliever?! Right. So basically they got another reliever that they didn’t really need and not a lefty reliever like Cashman wanted. The Yanks really gave up nothing except I would of liked to hold on to Tabata to see how he is when he matures.
Ugh
Beckett is apparently not too concerned about Melky’s bat. Just blew him away
That is 9 hits in 6 innings, including 4 to lead off an inning, and only 1 run scored. We are really making Joba earn this W.
Good Lord…the Yankees made a great trade and gave up no one that would help them for the next three years…and Tabata is no sure thing even in three years. Cluelessness runs rampant on this board when it comes to baseball, unfortunately. Without SJ, the comment section is sad.
Frustrating.
We aren’t scoring with RISP today, but we are facing Josh Beckett.
Pitchers like him get better when they have to bear down.
Beckett at 94 pitches.
Hayseed 94 pitches
Joba – 75
Look at this pen.
Rivera
Farnsworth
Veras
Ramirez
Robertson
Giese
Marte
Given their performance over the past two months, that’s the best pen in baseball, is it not?
“Rebecca, I didn’t know there was someone named brandon on this blog.”
Yeah, he works PT at the Peach Pit and has a bitchy twin sister named Brenda.
Back to the game, the Yanks NEED to give Joba some breathing room for a change! 1 run in 9 hits and 1 for 8 with runners in scoring position in unacceptable. Beckett is getting by with less than his best stuff.
Nady will play right.
Damon left
Melky center
Abreu DH
Posada – hospital
Gardner – bench
“Without SJ, the comment section is sad.”
Wow! Way to completely trash about 500 other people, dude.
ahh thanks…i thought nady played left primarily…but again we lose a lot of power in the lineup and a lefty bat if we dont resign abreu. Nady is kinda having a season for the ages…his numbers this yr look nothing like his #’s from yrs past… and nady can play first…
I like abreu and i would be pissed if they let him go. He is in the lineup day in and day out. Unlike godzilla, who has had 3 awful seasons of injuries.
“We aren’t scoring with RISP today, but we are facing Josh Beckett.”
That is the point.
I’m somewhat indifferent about this trade. Giving up Tabata hurts, and I’m not completely sold on the return we got. I can live with it though because we didn’t give up Kennedy. Really hope we don’t give up Kennedy for Washburn or a 4th starter.
I’m not a huge Nady fan. He’s a good player, and will help our line-up, but not a high on base guy.
I love Marte. He’s the best lefty available, healthy (unlike Gagne was last year) and can be for us what Stanton was in the late 90’s, nore than just a LOOGY, a lefty set up reliever.
In the end, I can live with the deal, and we’ll see what happens.
I’m a big supporter of trades like this, that’s the reason the Yankees are stocking the minors, to be able to fill holes. The past few years, the holes were not as clear and easily fillable, but Cashman once again proves to be the man. Tabata could be great, but Jackson has passed him anyway as the best OF prospect in the system. Ohlendorf is a servicable pitcher, but no room for him here, even with the 4 and 5 spots in the rotation unsettled.
Maybe Marte is not done moving?
“He’s fast on the bases, he works hard, he is very good in the field, he has a great arm, and he hits well in general.”
He’s 13/20 in steal attempts. That’s below the 75% break-even threshold.
He’s been the worst defensive RFer in the AL this year. I was surprised to find out, but it’s apparently the case according to at least one ranking system. Even if it’s not perfect, it means he’s almost certainly not been good in the OF this season.
Also, hits very well in general? He has in his career. This season? He had a great May, but has been poor otherwise. Check out his numbers since June 1. Eek.
Hopefully, putting Marte in the pen marks the end of the Latroy-Hawkins-Is-A-New-York-Yankee-Pitcher off-off-Broadway show.
“Beckett is apparently not too concerned about Melky’s bat. Just blew him away”
Any reason why he should be???
Hey Phil – a lot of us called this a GREAT trade, for the record.
Man, Joba is KILLING the Red Sox.
next year
Damon LF
Melky or Gardner CF
Nady RF
Matsui DH
Giambi 1B (unless we get Tex which I doubt bc the Mets have cash to burn and they will do a contract too dumb (long) for Cashman’s tastes)
Brandon,
You are too in love with the prospects.
Phil Coke won’t get 3 years of ML service time. At 26 and still in AA, you don’t “gain” velocity. You are what you are. He’s not a high level prospect.
Kontos has a nice arm. He’s not as good as Betances, Heredia and McAllister, all of whom are younger and may all be in AA next season.
Ohlendorf? Who knows what he will be. He may be good or he may not be good. Either way, he’s a guy that no longer has a place on the Yankees due to the emergence of Veras and Ramirez in the ‘pen, with Melancon and Cox not far behind.
In the rotation? At best, he has Hughes, Kennedy, and Brackman ahead of him in the pecking order.
Tabata? He is, at best 3 years away from the majors and nobody in the game has him graded as high as they did two years ago. Nobody, but the Pirates that is.
Austin Jackson has lapped him as a prospect.
When you look at the Yankees in 2009, you will have Damon, Matsui and Nady here. Possibly, Cabrera and Gardner too.
Where will Tabata be? Probably repeating AA.
They didn’t give up too much at all. In fact, they didn’t give up much at all to acquire the best setup lefty in baseball and a pretty versatile RH bat, whom they will also have for 2009.
In fact, they will have both guys for next year at under 11 million bucks TOTAL.
That’s smart dealing and it gives the Yankees much more flexibility than they had with their roster 24 hours ago.
“Good Lord…the Yankees made a great trade and gave up no one that would help them for the next three years…and Tabata is no sure thing even in three years. Cluelessness runs rampant on this board when it comes to baseball, unfortunately. Without SJ, the comment section is sad.”
What a silly post.
It’s pretty darn good.
“Hopefully, putting Marte in the pen marks the end of the Latroy-Hawkins-Is-A-New-York-Yankee-Pitcher off-off-Broadway show.”
Might be. However, it may also mean a deserving guy going to the minors. At the very least, some guys who were getting an opportunity in high leverage spots may not get them any longer. I’d guess that’s it for Giese.
“Without SJ, the comment section is sad.â€
Why are you even on this blog genious? Get sj’s scheduled blogging and sniff his a$$.
The Best Bloggers live here. Including sj. Not only.
“but again we lose a lot of power in the lineup and a lefty bat if we dont resign abreu.”
No, we don’t. Abreu hasn’t actually provided much power. Especially this year.
“I like abreu and i would be pissed if they let him go. He is in the lineup day in and day out. Unlike godzilla, who has had 3 awful seasons of injuries.”
Abreu has been an albatross in the lineup since June. He’s getting old. Re-signing him would be a bad, bad idea.
Yanks really have to start giving Joba some runs to work with!! I feel bad for him. They NEVER score any runs for him. Also Cashman has to work on a CFer. Melky has no chance to get a hit and he knows it. He is completely overmatched. I guess with the Nady move Gardner goes back to the minors.
Honestly, this is how I see things happening –
Abreu offered arbitration at end of year, type A free agent (is he top 20% over 2007-2008? might just be a B).
Giambi offered a 1 year deal at $8-10M (after his option bought out). If he signs, and plays well, offered arbitration at end of 2009, walks. Type A or B.
Marte offered arbitration at end of 2008, walks, Type A.
Nady offered arbitration at end of 2009, Type A or B.
I just heard the news. I can’t believe they traded Geroge Kontos. I cry now.
any one still wanna put joba back in the pen
Joba is an ACE !
Ortiz can’t keep his top hand on the bat. No reason to be afraid, he won’t be able to drive the ball at all.
Don’t get me wrong Damaso Marte is the best LH reliever out there, he is worth it , Nady I’m not sure on. I’m calm now Whozat put it into perspective and rumors are GMs around MLB emailed Buster Olney pissed off that the Yankees gave up so little and landed both Marte and Nady, again it better be worth it.
Joba is SMOKING!
I wonder if they will play Nady in LF or 1st base?
Good Lord…the Yankees made a great trade and gave up no one that would help them for the next three years…and Tabata is no sure thing even in three years. Cluelessness runs rampant on this board when it comes to baseball, unfortunately. Without SJ, the comment section is sad.
Um…I think the majority of people posting here think the trade was good. What is the problem?
and giambi isnt? c’mon his defense is suspect and last time i checked defense and pitching wins championships…
Thats a tad offensive. I like SJ’s posts as much as the next person, and I’m glad to see him posting again – but we did manage to have some decent discussions on here while he wasn’t posting.
Are you sure you’re not his bipolar stalker of 1000 names? lol
What a great performance by Joba.
Over the last 3 years – Marte is holding LHB’s to a .206 batting average.
NICE!
we are still close on another trade, and not as close but still yet another.
I told you guys the other day. There is a hunger in Tampa a “going for it” mentality. It’s agreed across the board.
P.S. Hughes is not going anywhere.
I *heart* Joba
Someone Else, unless he tanks badly which I don’t see happening, I agree that Abreu will definitely be offered arbitration.
“Hopefully, putting Marte in the pen marks the end of the Latroy-Hawkins-Is-A-New-York-Yankee-Pitcher off-off-Broadway show.”
Hey, maybe we can find team #12 stupid enough to think that Hawkins could help them and trade for a decent bench player!
We’d probably have to get a GM very drunk, but maybe it’s worth a try.
“Hopefully, putting Marte in the pen marks the end of the Latroy-Hawkins-Is-A-New-York-Yankee-Pitcher off-off-Broadway show.”
I would dfa Hawkins and have Marte wear Oneil number.
LaTroy Hawkins just slipped on some chowda in the pen!! I think he may need a DL stint ASAP!
“Abreu offered arbitration at end of year, type A free agent (is he top 20% over 2007-2008? might just be a B).
Giambi offered a 1 year deal at $8-10M (after his option bought out). If he signs, and plays well, offered arbitration at end of 2009, walks. Type A or B.
Marte offered arbitration at end of 2008, walks, Type A.
Nady offered arbitration at end of 2009, Type A or B.”
I agree on all points
SoS is the “genius” thinking Abreu is getting traded for a catcher…despite Abreu’s no trade clause.
I would love another Yankee run here. Really, really would.
With Bruney coming back soon, two relievers are going to have to go. I hope Robertson isn’t one of them as he has pitched so well this year.
My guess, Hawkins gets dfa’d and Giese goes back to the Minors to make room for Marte and Bruney.
With Bruney coming back soon, two relievers are going to have to go. I hope Robertson isn’t one of them as he has pitched so well this year.
My guess, Hawkins gets dfa’d and Giese goes back to the Minors to make room for Marte and Bruney.
nick how was golf?
argh horrible at bat Molina
Ok Fleas I’ll bite is Kennedy going to Texas ?
We need to get Joba this win at all costs.
Seeing that .155 BA that Gardner’s sporting makes me feel better about this trade by the second.
Captains good question but I think we will probably see him more in the outfield. Lord knows we have just about an entire team that can play first!
Angel – your the moron who last week criticized me for saying Posada was hurt worse than was reported. A$$ clown.
If there was ever any question over whether the Yankees were looking at this year as a “rebuilding” year those questions have been answered.
This trade was a very serious move to win the world series this year.
And it was an outstanding trade. Not just good. Outstanding.
My initial reaction to this trade – very, very surprised that those 4 yankee prospects were all the Bucs could get for Marte and Nady.
The Yankees here absolutely demonstrated their strategy of acquiring all of these young pitchers and using them as an asset to improve the team.
Essentially this trade gets down to the yankees giving up Tabata for Nady and Marte. That’s what the net effect of the trade is from the yankees perspective. That’s it.
I like Ohlendorf and think he has a terrific arm. But with the emergence of Veras, Robertson, Ramirez and Melancon Ohelndorf was more valuable to the team as a trading chip at this time than he was as a player. Its not easy to get guys with arms like that – that’s why the pirates were interested in him. That’s why the yankees showcased him in the minors as a starter – to show he cold still do it.
Kontos – good arm – not exceptional. He was never going to pitch for the yankees in the majors. Ever. Just not good enough. Coke – they sold very high on him – he’s having his first really outstanding season in the minors. He’s 25-56 and in AA. He was at best going to be a lefty specialist.
Tabata at this point is pure projection – he still hasn’t shown the capacity to hit for any power.
And even if he does it wouldn’t surprise me if it took him another 4 years to finish developing. 2 years minimum – but probably closer to 3-4 years.
This deal not only helps the yankees this year but for the future as well. Nady is not old. And he’s clearly having a career year but he’ll continue to be a productive right handed bat. He can also play RF or 1b.
He is having a career year but he also has a career .800 OPS. Its not like he’s going to be awful next year. He’s arbitration eligible and makes $3.5M this year. How much will he get next year – maybe $8M at the most.
And for this season he is exactly what they need. Brett Gardner is not ready to hit in the major leagues – at all. They can’t just keep running out a starter like that.
With Marte in the fold this is absolutely the best bull pen in all of baseball – perhaps the best better than even the Stanton/ Nelson pens.
The key thing with Marte is that he is not limited to being a lefty reliever. That keeps getting said – and its not true.
These are Marte’s career numbers against right hitters:
.240 .328 .389 .717. Those are terrific numbers. And against lefties – .198 .294 .285 .578 .
Marte not only gives them another weapon and a guy who kills lefties – he gives them insurance in case Farnsworth falls apart as the 8th inning guy.
It hurts to give up Tabata – but this trade really gets down to trading him for Nady and Marte. The rest of the pieces were all depth the yankees could afford to lose.
Very impressive work by Cashman.
TKinDC
Nady 10 assists and 2 errors in RF with 5 double plays
Brandon,
Look at the trade another way….
In 2009, the Yankees could put out a pitching staff consisting of the following:
Wang, CC, Moose, Pettitte, Joba. Robertson for long relief. Veras, Ramirez, Marte, Melancon, Humberto Sanchez (or move Robertson in a short relief role and have either Rasner and Giese as the long man) and Mo in the bullpen.
That’s the best pitching staff in baseball.
You have Hughes and Kennedy in AAA ready to go in case somebody goes down.
You have Betances, Heredia and McAllister in the next grouping of guys, with Andrew Brackman ready by mid-season.
It gives them great flexibility in filling other holes on the team when you have a pitching staff like that.
BACKWARDS ANALYSIS
This trade from the back end is made because Zach McAllister ans Ryan Pope are viewed as better pitchers than Kontos and Coke. Both of these guys are in Single A and needed to be moved up – they are clearly dominating in Single A both with ERA’s at 2.50
Yankees are loaded with pitching especially 3 to 5 slot pitchers – this clears space. Coke was moving up but he was dominating at AA at age 26 – like Chase Wright – you wonder about his development – but having said that – he is a rare lefty in the Yankee system. Kontos is a “young” Mussina type – smart with a good fastball. Good K’s
Nady – could be a Paul O’Neil type and he is younger and healthier than Abreu – and cheaper.
Marte – hopefully he is a Stanton type of guy – I always wondered if he was overrated just because he was a young lefty…time will tell.
But the Yankees get younger and get a severely needed lefty reliever all with good salaries. hard to argue with this trade.
Ofcourse Ohlendorf could be a dominator but we do have Bruney and Robertson so really not a lot of room. Robertson is the REAL deal – he has dominated on all levels. Probably the sleeper pick of the Yankees over the last decade.
Tabata ? Well you had to give up something good – I wonder if this is a statement that the Yanks know something about him or just don’t want to wait for 2 years (if all goes well) for him to be in the Yankees outfield. But don’t be surprised if he turns out to be a Jay Buhner guy – that is a possibility. Even money on this one.
Still overall a good trade if Nady gives them 5 years as a solid O’Neil type and Marte as a Stanton for 5 years. That to me is the equation.
Always a roll of the dice.
“P.S. Hughes is not going anywhere.”
Wow, where can I subscribe to -your- newsletter?
Is this the trade we didn’t see coming, btw? Because I was advocating it a month ago.
Psyluk that was the first thing I thought about when I saw the trade. With Sui and Jorge pretty much disabled, we definitely needed a push with our offense.
Giese is the only serviceable long man they have in the bullpen. No one else throws more than 2 innings at a time. With the way the bullpen is pitching at the moment, there really isn’t a need for yet ANOTHER power arm like Bruney to be brought up to the majors. I hope they keep him in AAA and leave Giese in the pen.
“would that make hank a liar on peter a’s supersensitive lie meter?”
LOL!
I’ve already addressed that Phil.
And the consensus seems to be that YOU are the silly goose on here, not me.
Damon’s goin Pesky right here!
do you think gardner heard he was probably getting sent down…cuz he has now had two decent at bats since the trade was announced
Which two players will go to add Nady and Marte to the major league roster?
Did I see Phil the other day during his lunch hour parked in his car with sunglasses on and holding up a hair dryer?
“and giambi isnt? c’mon his defense is suspect and last time i checked defense and pitching wins championships…”
No, he’s not. He plays first base. He picks throws well. And he’s still been an asset with the bat. Abreu, again, has been the worst defender at his position in the AL. And has contributed much less with the bat than Giambi.
Time for Jeter to be clutch…
Great trade by Cashman. The good thing is its a clear upgrade on Gardner, and the lefty is a high end lefty, and he`ll eat up the AL lefty power guys. You do not have to make a decision on Abreu till next year, and you can see some healty competition now. Its a good problem to have
michelle, golf was good. I just played with my little nephew, so I had to be patient and it made it a little harder to focus on my own game, but it was a relaxing no-pressure round. I wish I was better. How was your round at Monarsh?
Oh, and go Yankees. I am without coverage unless I drive to a sports bar.
“Abreu, again, has been the worst defender at his position in the AL.”
I am not doubting you but the source. I find that extremely hard to believe. In fact that is impossible for me to believe. Either that or I have to believe that the AL has a hell of a batch of outfielders. I guess that could be possible.
SJ44,,,that staff WILL be great !
The trouble is Phil, you didn’t consider an injury that Posada was trying to play through having, but said they needed surgery – as not a serious injury to start with. I did. In my opinion its always been a serious injury, whether surgery was needed now or eventually. The fact that it was exacerbated while trying to play with it, is hardly surprising news to me.
Have we cleared that up now?
Good.
I really wish that Damon can still play CF..Then Damon in CF, Nady in LF. Melky in the minors.
Nady looks like a star if you look up his situational stats this year, great BA, great with RISP, BA great with 1 out, 2 outs, etc.
He’s a steal, and now the Bucs will keep Bay. Also gives us options to trade Abreu now or let him walk.
Like this deal the more I look at it.
Great question. Who leaves? Hawkins and Betemit?
SJ Whozat got me to calm down w/ his post, it’s just I guess I’m guilty of wanting Tabata to stay and be the next great RF for the Yankees but your post makes alot more sense there, you sit down and if Nady hits like he has this could be highway robbery. I’m ok right now, I just wish Tabata goodluck I’m sorry people I got too attached to a prospect that was working to change his game.
No one’s really expecting Nady to hit .330 for the Yankees. All he really needs to do is hit .280 with decent power numbers to solidify what’s been a shaky LF for them all year. Nady will extend the lineup and make them MUCH deeper and more difficult to deal with. Again one guy doesn’t solve all their woes, but he’s a HUGE improvement over Gardner.
Does anyone know Nady’s contract situation for next year? I have read that it is up after this year and I have also read it is up after ‘09.
The yankees have not announced the trade.
We are so unclutch tonight.
For Nady, either Christian or Gardner.
For Marte, we all want Hwakins, but it will probably be Giese.
Another missed opportunity for the Yanks to pick up a run
Xavier Nady of
1 year/$3.35M (2008)
* re-signed 1/18/08 (avoided arbitration)
Source: Cot’s Baseball Contracts
Actually, now that I think about it, Giese and Christian go down and no one gets cut.
melky is fine in cf. you people don’t understand baseball. the sox won with coco crisp who has about the same ops as melky. melky is a ++ defensive CF. with nady in the lineup and with even sexton starting against lefties this is a very good and finally for the first time since shef was here, a balanced lineup.
The trade is pending physicals.
I like that they sent Joba out to start the inning, but if he gets in trouble they need to get the bulloen up.
……..
We knew that was going to happen, didn’t we?
r hr rbi sb avg obp slg
giambi 47 20 57 2 .256 .399 .533
abreu 56 11 64 13 .275 .348 .440
did you just say giami isnt a liability at first.. so we picked sexson off the scrap heap because of his bat?….
Dang it
OK guys, new question for you.
Marte has a $6M option for next yr (0.25M buyout). Given that Melancon, Aceves, Cox, and about another 5 arms are going to be vying for spots do we want to pay that much for a lefty specialist/ 7th inning guy?
He is the only lefty among the group and Farnsworth’s money is coming off the books. But it is a lot of money for what he offers.
With any luck we can sign him to an extension at a more reasonable rate but that is probably wishful thinking.
Or do we let him leave and being the draft pick cycle again? Will he be a B level guy do you think?
HAHAHA Youkilis must be having a conniption.
Again, why would Joba throw at Youkilis in a 1-0 game in the 7th? No reason.
stop diving in stupid !
Don’t try to tell me that was an accidental pitch.
“Tabata ? Well you had to give up something good – I wonder if this is a statement that the Yanks know something about him or just don’t want to wait for 2 years (if all goes well) for him to be in the Yankees outfield. But don’t be surprised if he turns out to be a Jay Buhner guy – that is a possibility. Even money on this one.”
Remember, we have a good chance of getting draft picks — sandwich picks at least, maybe even #1’s — for Nady and/or Marte when they split. With the Yankees going way overslot in the draft nowadays, they can turn picks like that into talent with almost as high a ceiling as Tabata’s, plus they can scout and more carefully select players without all the baggage Tabata has. In addition to what we’re getting back here, we aren’t necessarily giving up a potential future great player.
Did Joba -need- to do that? Really?
Nady’s actually still cost controlled through next year
Interesting trade. I didn’t like selling Tabata low and I like Ohlendorf, but I can’t argue with the return. Hell, I thought that the Pirates would’ve gotten more for career year Nady and supposedly best lefty reliever out there Marte.
I dont get the Hawkins hatred.
I’m still a bit disillusioned over some of the posts over him from Wednesday’s game.
“I am not doubting you but the source.”
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/dialed_in/discussion/american_league_leaders_at_the_all_star_break_offense_plus_defense/
There’s the source. It’s the DRS score.
Even if he’s not the worst, he’s not doing very well.
Joba really needs to stop this Youk stuff. He is going to get someone on the Yanks really hurt. I really do not get it. This is like the 3rd time Joba has done this. Girardi needs to talk to him. It might of slipped out of his hand but it just so happens to be Youk once again.
Josh Beckett rushing the field…..why?
I love Joba.
Youk has a ball magnit on his helmet.
they’re not going to trade abreu this year. although there is decent/good chance they let him walk at the end of the year and take the compensation picks. my guess is girardi will cycle abreu, damon, nady, giambi, and to a lesser extent sexson through dh, lf, rf, and 1b the rest of the year. At the end of the year, at least either abreu of giambi walks, depending on their contract demands. if nothing else, they can’t hold the yanks hostage like posada/rivera this offseason.
Get over yourself, Youk.
Its a 1 run game, do you think he wanted to put you on base in a one run game? Idiot.
Looked like it hit the bat, actually. So consider yourself lucky.
Ray, why the hell would Joba put on the leadoff man in a 1-0 game in the 7th?
Again, I freaking love Joba.
Isn’t it great that Pittsburgh is at home against SD.
Two fresh players tomorrow in the lineup.
…Apparently Joba can have his cake, and eat it too.
Wait…did that hit Youk’s bat?
B-E-A-UUUU TIFUL job for JOBA
I just laughed out loud. For real
THAT HIT THE BAT!!
ITS A STRIKE!
I love it, Kevin’s pissed.
“I didn’t like selling Tabata low”
Considering what we’re getting back, I wouldn’t call this ’selling low.’ The Pirates are paying for Tabata’s potential here. Tabata gets his bat going again, I don’t see him getting much more of a return than this; teams would still be cautious with him.
“Don’t try to tell me that was an accidental pitch.”
Not with a 2-0 count.
Sit down, Puke-llis.
Brian –
He’s a closer for Pitt – not a lefty specialist.
SIT DOWN YOUK YOU OVERSENSITIVE JERK!
nick..we actually went to lake chabot instead..i shot an even 100…i birdied the par 6 18…..
wow…i dont think joba tried to throw at him..but it is uncanny how its always youk thats up when joba slips…
Joba knows how to handle Yuk. Other pitchers could learn from that.
Joba and Youkoulis are not friends
1-0 game it was an accident. oh was the big man beckett going to run after joba.
Joba is insane. What a stud.
Don’t try to tell me that was an accidental pitch.
Ray it’s 1-0 why the hell would he drill him
Joba is giving a class in intimidation. Not bad for a number 1 pitcher.
he is so NOT afraid
way to go joba
ownage!!!!
Even Remy said it wasn’t intentional. Ha ha ha.
Youklis crying like a little girl in the dugout.
Joba, locked in, looks absolutely UN-hittable right now
Uhh, Pete?
He did.
Doesn’t make sense for Joba to hit Youk at this point in the game but there really seems to be something there.
Joba smokin now !
“Again, I freaking love Joba.”
He’s giving the other team extra motivation to beat him. Better not to stir the hornet’s nest.
Remy just said it again. It was NOT intentional.
Gardner will be sent down along with Rasner, until they figure out what to do with Hawkins, because Washburn will probably be in the rotation by next week.
An example of the HP umpire panicking.
No way is Joba trying to hit Youk on a 2-0 pitch in a 1-0 game.
Sometimes, you wish umpires would understand the game situation more instead of overrecacting.
Good for Jerry Remy on NESN for not giving the hometown spin on it. No way was Joba looking to hit Youk in that situation.
The Nady/ Marte trade is not going to be the last one. I’d be surprised if Jarrod Washburn is not in Pinstripes soon.
They are clearly trying to win this year. You can’t assume Rasner and Ponson won’t fall apart.
They are going to get a starter.
How much longer is this score supposed to hold up? Is Farns. really going to get people out in the 8th inning? I hope so but an extra run wouldn’t hurt….
What a great performance by Joba!
Is there any question who our number one starter is now? Or if Joba should have remained in the bullpen?
The front office ran an end around using Bonds as a smokescreen to make some teams think Nady was given up on.
Sweet.
YOU GO JOBA!!!!
WEhere’s Manny when you need him to give Pukelis a good backhand????????
Come on Ray. I gave you credit for being a tad more objective than that. Think about it.
be aware Yankees…
Joba should put a razor on the ball next time and maybe give Youk a shave while the balls up there
That was only the 2nd well hit ball all night off of Joba.
The Red Sox better win it all this season, the Yankees are going to be frightening next season.
Joba Rules
Unfortunately I am watching on NESN and for the first time in many, many years I have agreed with Jerry Remy. Did I really just admit that out loud. Please let me explain…
After that Youkilis inside pitch Remy said there was no way that Chamberlain threw at him intentionally. Don Orsillo disagreed and Remy went on to say that Chamberlain is not stupid enough to intentionally throw at somebody in a one run game.
Please forgive me all for admitting this…
Johjima is another big contract for the Mariners, having a terrible offense year, but hit pretty well in ‘06 and ‘07. Any possibility he would come as the new catcher in the Jared Washburn deal?
Who pitches the eighth for us, tonight? Who’s warming up?
“Joba really needs to stop this Youk stuff. He is going to get someone on the Yanks really hurt. I really do not get it. ”
I don’t think it was on purpose this time. Put the leadoff batter on in a 1-0 game? That’s NOT something that happened on purpose.
Jerry Remy tells it like it is. He’s a good announcer. He knows that wasn’t on purpose, but…he can’t really fault Youk for getting hot about it:-)
It was annoying to hear Don on NESN parrot the idiocy that Cashman wanted to keep Joba in the Pen and that Hank ordered him into the rotation. But, they’re New England media…what do you expect? I like them as a broadcast team, though. I’d love to have Don Orsillo as the PBP guy on YES. Kenny does OK, and I love Leiter and Cone as color guys.
if nady doesn’t slip much, then we can let abreu leave and have MEGABUCKS available in 2009 for starter and 1B (hint hint)
i dont have tv someone please tell me whats going on
FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE HAVE A PITCHER THAT STANDS UP TO THE SOX AND ANSWERS ALL THE CRAP THEY HAVE BEEN PULLING HITTING YANKS FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS
TELL THAT UGLY SOFTBALL PLAYING CLOWN YOUKILIS TO SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN
Perhaps I did jump to conclusions. It does seem a bit coincidental that this happened with Youkilis right at his head again.
But I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt.
Joba is mean…he definitely has some clemens in him
someone on the yankees is going to get plunked. if not tonight, then tomorrow. no question about.
Gardner won’t be sent down for Nady, Justin Christian will. Gardner will provide good speed off the bench and defensive replacement for the rest of the season.
joba doing his best impersonation of bob gibson
abreu .994 fpct
rios .991
vlad .985
granderson .990
matsui .978
hamilton .980
magglio .990
i can keep going
Youkilis is as pretty as a hemorrhoid
I see the downside to this move.
Nady is not nearly as good as his numbers show because he has clearly overachieved this season.
Beckett was looking for a fight
Betances was sharp, tonight. 7 innings, 4 hits, 1 run (earned), 1 walk and 7 strikeouts.
first.. as yankee fans, we overrate our prospects. who do you think your going to get for tabata, who is having a poor season and has discipline issues… of course you make this deal in a heartbeat.
now the question is., what yankee gets hit
From ESPN:
“There is a trade in place, pending medical reviews of all the players involved on both clubs,” Pirates director of media relations Jim Trdinich said. “That is all that is permissible to be announced at this time.”
From SI:Washburn might be coming also.
The deal with the Pirates might not be the Yankees’ last before Thursday’s unrestricted trade deadline. The team also is pursuing Mariners left-hander Jarrod Washburn for its rotation, and the Mariners spoke with Washburn on Friday about waiving his no-trade clause to the Yankees, according to a major-league source.
Marte could replace Farnsworth next year as the 8th inning guy (they make the same money), he is that versatile.
He’s closing for the Pirates now.
I don’t see either guy going anywhere unless they both just crumble in Pinstripes. Unlikely, IMO.
Beckett’s out..now lets go to town on the oen
That was great. Rock on Joba
Now, can they score another run?
We’ve seen Molina setting up inside a lot on both Ortiz and Youkilis tonight – finally a Yankee pitcher has the cojones to pitch inside to these guys and get them off the plate…
Must score runs now.
“UPDATE, 9:16 p.m.: Well, you knew that was coming. I get that Joba doesn’t like Youkilis, nobody does. But in a 1-0 game in the seventh inning, why start something?”
Pete, you can’t possibly believe that Joba was throwing at him? Get real, dude!
TKinDC –
I’m looking at his role for us next yr.
Mo will close, and there is a decent chance that Melancon/ Sanchez/ Veras/ Aceves will establish themselves as the 8th inning guy.
Marte could well be our 7th inning/ lefty specialist guy (even though his splits against righties are better than lefties this yr).
We have the benefit of him having an NY trial this yr, but looking down the line $6M sounds expensive.
I have the MLB Extra Innings package and they are carrying the NESN broadcast, credit to announcer Jerry Remy, he doesn’t believe Joba threw at him intentionally. Not on a 2-0 count 7th inning 1-0 game. If he did it would just be stupid.
For the past few years when I’ve had to listen to the NESN broadcast, both Remy and Osilio are very fair announcers, much like the YES crew.
Farnsy warming up, BTW yes I’m still worried !
Oh boooooooooyyyyyyy.
Krazy Kyle warming up. Do we get good Kyle or bad Kyle tonight?
Any chance that tomorrow Wakefield is the one who plunks someone? That would be SO CUTE!
5 game playoff series and Joba pitches 2 of those 5 games.
I like the yankees chances of winning.
This is why he needed to be in the starting rotation.
22 years old and he’s outpitched Josh Beckett at Fenway Park.
Amazing. When is the last time the yankees had a starter who could throw a game like this against a legitimate #1 starter like Beckett?
If the Red Sox want to put someone on base in a 1-0 game, be my guest. Save it for another game.
michelle, that’s the only par 6 hole I’ve ever played. Does Chabot still have that one par 3 with the enormous vertical drop?
Of all the players the Yanks were realistically going to get, Nady was my favorite, so I’m pretty happy about this trade. And yes, it’s because he went to Cal.
“when the day started as far as disliking cashman, on a scale of 10, i would have ranked him at 9.
he’s down to a 6.5.”
Yeah, but Phil is up to 9.5 LoL.
I smell a phantom injury until the roster is settled on.
“Johjima is another big contract for the Mariners, having a terrible offense year, but hit pretty well in ‘06 and ‘07. Any possibility he would come as the new catcher in the Jared Washburn deal?”
Please, no. The Mariners GM didn’t even want to re-sign him. It was a mandate from their Japanese ownership. You don’t want Johjima.
Kyle vs the bottom of their order? Ok…maybe he can do it.
Let’s be clear here, Joba pitches inside to put the batter off balance and make his outside pitches more effective. So no he wasn’t throwing at Yuk, he was throwing inside to set up his pitches. Why is this so hard for people to grasp?
Seems like thats all for Joba.
Yankees JR, Remy is actually one of the best in the game when it comes to being objective.
Yes!! Joba definitely got some high and inside lessons from Clemens in the short time they spent together last season! Best part — Joba K’d him after the intimidation pitch!
Love the trade.
TK- – We probably wont have a choice though. Now Coke is gone we don’t have a decent lefty prospect who could make the bigs next yr.
Pukelis is hoping that if he complains enough, the Yankees will get scared and stop pitching inside to him. He’s an ugly crybaby.
Has anyone heard any updates on Carlos Gomez’s injury?
This could be a terrible loss. Farns can’t be good forever.
Right now the Rays starter has no hit the royals through four
Betances was sharp, tonight. 7 innings, 4 hits, 1 run (earned), 1 walk and 7 strikeouts.
I could cry ..
I won’t deny there isn’t some kind of *history* there Ray, but I think every little thing gets magnified and overreacted to because of it.
I also am thinking as a baseball fan and not just a Yankee fan when I say that I just don’t see him trying to make some kind futile statement by putting him on base in a 1 run game in the 7th inning. It just doesn’t make any sense, in that kind of game situation.
“When is the last time the yankees had a starter who could throw a game like this against a legitimate #1 starter like Beckett?”
Joba should be in the pen, dummy. They should have traded Hughes and Kennedy for Santana and then they could have left Joba in the pen. Those guys are busts and it’s SO HARD to find someone who can pitch the 8th inning! Runs count more in the 8th!
CB,
You said it perfectly. First start in the most difficult regular season environment there is for a Yankee and he not only pitches well, he goes 7 strong against the Red Sox ace.
Nady? Marte? Most encouraging sign for Yanks fans tonight is Joba.
Let’s all enjoy this pitching duel, regardless of the outcome.
No way on earth Joba is throwing at the guy under the circumstances, but I don’t think we’ll see these guys becoming buddies. It’s never a good thing to come that close to beaning someone.
I really like this trade. It’s been three months since I started posting here about needing a RH bat and LH reliver, and while dealing Tabata could bite the Yanks in the butt, the other three guys won’t and the ALL the A-List arms, catchers and AJax are still in house. Nady should allow Jorge to have surgery in good conscience… Marte for Hawkins simply makes this the best bullpen in baseball and both guys are in hand for ‘09 is the Yanks so desire…
A+++ for Mr. Cashman to get a quality (not a star) RH hitting outfielder and the best LR set up man out there one hot 20-year-old prospect and three pretty decent guys…. fine job!
Chris, that’s a good question. I saw that Denard Span also got hurt in that game.
I wish them well.
Brian –
I would agree with SJ44 – I would assume he is going to be 7th inning this year or face lefties in the 8th.
I really hope this doesn’t screw up Farnsy’s Mojo for this year. He has been locked in.
The Hemorrhoid was whinning to the ump between innings. What a freaking 2 year old
CB
You hit it right on the button. We should all be celebrating Joba’s awesome job in the most hostile environment he’ll ever see.
I’m really going to be nervous for the next 2 innings. Come on Alex!
Ok, as good as Farnsworth has been…
One person tell me that you’re totally comfortable, no anxiety at all, with Farns pitching the 8th still 1-0?
oh and nady’s .990
Fielding Pct% is not the way to evaluate defense.
Its misusing stats.
Abreu has been awful in RF this year. It may be the one thing that keeps the Yankees from resigning him next year.
There are balls he should get to that he doesn’t get good jumps on and misplays. His arm, while strong, is not as accurate as it used to be.
So far this year, he has been below average in RF.
Guiseppe,
Even if Nady is hitting over his head, and comes down to earth, he’s an upgrade to Brett Gardner. That helps them this year.
Next year? In a lineup like this, he is going to get more pitches to hit than he got in Pittsburgh.
He doesn’t have to hit .300. Just can’t hit .160, like Gardner.
You have to keep Joba in the game. he is dealing. Huge mistake if he is pulled.
Angel,
After thinking about it for a few minutes I actually agree with you.
CB, BigV, SJ44: excellent analysis.
Arod looks horrible tonight but no one else is hitting either. I can guarantee Manny or Ortiz never swing at the pitches that Arod has tonight.
Alex is swinging at some God awful balls tonight. He is a serious guess hitter.
“TK- – We probably wont have a choice though. Now Coke is gone we don’t have a decent lefty prospect who could make the bigs next yr.”
You are absolutely right – does this make Bleich (sp?) fresh from Stanford the best lefty in the entire system?
isnt a rod 2 for 3
The Yankees have 9 hits, just nothing in the gap and no home runs. They haven’t capitalized on Beckett.
wow that was about 6 inches inside
“Nady is not nearly as good as his numbers show because he has clearly overachieved this season.”
True. But you have to look at the move in context. Let’s just assume that Nady hits to his career average .793 OPS overall for the rest of the season and his career .879 OPS against lefties (one of the major weaknesses of the team).
That’s an enormous marginal increase in performance for this year. .793 OPS isn’t great for an corner outfielder – but remember, he’s essentially replacing Gardner in the OF – Gardner has been worse than a replacement level hitter and is not ready to play in the majors at this time.
To substitute a .793 OPS player for a sub-replacement level player is an enormous upgrade.
Nady’s value is largely contextual and that’s why even if he doesn’t continue his torrid .330 hitting he’ll be very valuable this year.
Uh, Alex, you could have swung at that last pitch…
Delcarmen pointing at his elbow, that’s not good
Uh oh…….bye bye Delcarmen.
Someone needs to buy Youk a pacifier. He sure does need it.
“One person tell me that you’re totally comfortable, no anxiety at all, with Farns pitching the 8th still 1-0?”
I am.
“isnt a rod 2 for 3″
He may be, but he’s also taken some hacks on balls he had absolutely no chance of getting.
who’s injured?
“Chris, that’s a good question. I saw that Denard Span also got hurt in that game.”
That SUCKS for them.
Bad AB there, Alex. Taking that pitch? Boo.
“You have to keep Joba in the game. he is dealing. Huge mistake if he is pulled.”
Is he up over 100 pitches? Yes? You know what matters mire than this game? Joba’s arm. 7 innings, 0 runs, 100+ pitches? Good job, son. Take a seat.
If Delcarmen is hurt for a period of time, it’ll force the Red Sox to overpay for a guy like Fuentes or Mahay.
1-0 lead with Kyle coming in.
Honestly, my blood pressure is going up a bit.
Uh Oh Delcarmen
UPDATE, 9:16 p.m.: Well, you knew that was coming.
You can’t automatically assume he did that on purpose. Why would he want to put the tying run on base in the 7th?
CB,
You wonder what guys like Francesa and Madden will say about Joba after tonight’s performance.
I’d like all the uninformed media folks, who whined and whined about Joba going into the rotation, to just step up and admit how wrong they were.
First start EVER at Fenway Park, against the best big game pitcher in the game, and he throws 7 shutout innings.
An amazing performance.
i’m not saying its a good way or a bad way…but it does show that there are others that are worse than abreu in the a.l. and in the n.l.. He might misplay balls and not hit walls..but he certainly isnt the worst defensive right feilder in the league.
sunny,
I don’t know if he is injured but they are taking out Manny Delcarmen because of something with his arm.
Gammons seen bawling in his Green Sardine luxury suite. His stock dropped after saying this morning that he didn’t see many deals forthcoming. A little one upsmanship on the part of Buster Olney who saw this deal coming days ago when he said the Pirates had interest in Ohlendorf.
arod’s 2 for 4 now, pretty good for such a bad performance
He was shaking his pitching hand after striking out A-rod, which is not a very good sign. You never want to see a player get hurt like that. I’d put my money on the DL for him, given how he injured himself going through his arm motion.
You go with Farnsworth in the 8th and you live with the results.
That’s enough for Joba tonight. He did his job.
Its now up to the ‘pen to get 6 outs.
please ’stache
“You wonder what guys like Francesa and Madden will say about Joba after tonight’s performance.”
Francessa will downplay it. He still thinks Joba should replace Mo (apparently unaware that Mo is still with us and having a career year)
Stache needs to go yard.
GREAT deal for the Yanks. GREAT move by Cashman. I don’t know where Peter gets his info from, but Phil Coke, 26 year-old AA pitcher, wasn’t going anywhere fast. While he’s pitched very well, lately, and might’ve finally begun to figure out how to get LHs out, the Yanks havent even been able to find a spot for him on the AAA roster. He IS a lot like Chase Wright, but Wright’s two years younger. In any case, it’s no loss at all for the Yanks.
Tabata’s star has lost some of its luster, with his alleged “attitude” problems of late and his lack of power-hitting. He could still turn out to be a good one (though I’ve always doubted the Manny Ramirez comparisons), but he was expendable. And it is surely a statement about the depth and quality of the Yanks’ farm system that they pulled off a deal involivng three minor league pitchers and not a single one was considered to be among their best pitching prospects.
As for Nady and Marte, they will help. I’d advocated on this board, and others, trading for them a l-o-n-g time ago. Marte’s not Billy Wagner, but he’s a good LH reliever. Nady’s a pretty good all around player, having a great season, and he will bolster the RH attack. He can also be used to replace Abreu in RF next year and free up $$ to pursue free agents.
I wish Ohly, Kontos, Tabata, and Coke all the best with the Bucs.
Great performance by Joba.
Don’t risk it by having him pitch the 8th. His arm’s more important than this game.
Youkilis is nothing but a big mouth punk! Did you guys see him yelling at Joba after he struck out? Joba ignored him and went on to strike out the side. Joba is da man!!!
I have to give credit where credit is due. That was a dominating performance by Joba.
Those that think that Abreu is the league’s worst right fielder haven’t seen Guerrero the past two years. Abreu’s numbers put him around 6th in the league. Still have no idea why people want to make the Yankees an all right habded hitting team. Without Abreu and Giambi (who people want dumped, also) all NYY would have from the left side is Cano and Damon. Yankee Stadium (old and new) will favor left handed hitters and pitchers).
1. Giambi needs a solo shot here. No way am I confident in Farnsy.
2. Why do Youkilis and Joba not like eachother? I know Joba threw at him twice last year, but why would he even do that in the first place… especially up around the head?
Nady will probably play Left most of the time.Damon will DH,Gardner will pinch run.Christian will play CF in AAA.LaTroy=goodbye.Tabata could bite us in the butt later but you have to give something to get something.
or not.
OH crap Farnsy w/ a 1-0 game
SJ44, I agree, the best part about Joba is how he will once and for all make Mike Francessa admit he was wrong about Joba to the rotation. If this holds up there is no debate. Of course there is the little matter of the 8th inning, which if the pen blows it, will give the anti-Joba to the rotation people ammunition.
When all else fails, just blame Youkilis’s awful beard.
Confucius because I am not nervous about Farnsy doesn’t mean there may not be a time he gives one up. Heck Mariano gives them up in tie games.
But truthfully I am not nervous about him coming in.
Terrible job by the offense. Awful. You give the bullpen a razor thin margin to work with.
Who was it that said earlier that Giambi doesn’t strike out as much as Dunn? Sure didn’t seem like it tonight.
Can we get Marte here for the 8th inning?!
Marte is much better than a simple matchup lefty… if Farnsie pitches the eighth one day it may be Marte the next… you can NEVER have too much talent in the pen…
Nady replacing Gardner is like acquiring Dirty Harry to replace Barnie Fife! HUGE upgrade, and as others have pointed out excellent flexibility for ‘09 moves.
Graat night for the Yankees… an even better one with six more outs!
Whomever said we don’t have a decent lefty who could make the bigs next year, remember CC Sabathia and even Oliver Perez as a cheaper option, who showed great control while mowing down the Phillies.
The scariest thing about Joba is that he may be the Yankees number THREE starter next year if the Yanks throw a pile of money at CC and Wang comes back healthy.
oh my
Kyle has to get it done. Let’s go Farns
I need a drink
it wasnt span that got hurt btw…it was gomez and it looked awful he was backboarded and carted off…span replaced him in center
This is no time to put in Farnsworth, Joe, this game means too much and he is too unpredictable. I’d prefer Veras in this spot.
“Abreu’s numbers put him around 6th in the league.”
Geeze that’s pretty damned good!
uh oh it’s sweat time!
Ray: Beckett wasn’t bad, either.
Um, Farnsworth? The idea is to get outs.
buckle up for a ride on the farnsy train – let the fun begin
One pitch, one hit. Bad Farnsy tonight?
SIT TIGHT!
And here we go… Damn it!
Hitters are 0 for their last 28 against Farns! WOWOWOW!!!
SJ,
The media will try to just play pretend but they took a major credibility hit with their incessant drivel about Joba and the pen.
Even the yankee announcers all try to act as if they’d supported moving Joba to the rotation from the beginning.
And guys like Madden and Francesa were so vocal about keeping him in the pen they just won’t admit they are wrong.
They look unbelievably foolish right now – the media guys as well as the ex-ball players who insisted moving him to the rotation was the wrong move.
I have to say I love the trade for a number of reasons. It could take us over the top this yr. It gives us options for RF and a lefty in the pen for next yr when we should be even stronger. It lets us try those options out this yr to see how they handle NY. And it didnt require giving up any of our top pitching prospects.
Although all decent pitchers, none of the 3 included in the trade were ever likely to have a major impact in NY. And although Tabata has a high ceiling he also has a lot of hurdles to clear and wouldn’t be a major contributor for at least 3 yrs. By then AJax (and maybe Jeter) will be in the outfield and other prospects will be emerging from the system (Abe Almonte/ Kelvin DeLeon?)
I was hoping Cash would do something bold but not reckless. I was getting worried that he was falling in love with our prospects a bit too much and was too hesitant to make any moves. But this one seems to be pretty well measured. Great job.
Ok I,m nervous now.
That’s an example of what we are talking about with Abreu right there.
Why is he playing so deep for a singles hitter? Just an awful job by Abreu and it cost them an out.
He’s just not a good OF anymore.
spoke too soon
I’m watching this inning with my eyes closed.
7, 8, and 9, Farns.
Come on now…
Oh good – ‘Tek is up.
GiDP coming up!
I do not trust Farns. in this inning 1 bit..It doesnt matter how good he has been pitching…And there goes the AAA hitter getting a lead off hit. Well there goes this game. You can always count on Farns. in a big game.
I know how good farnsworth has been lately but after the last 3 and a half years i just can’t get comfortable when hes in the game
Hold on to the rails everybody ! The wild ride that is Farnsy begins !
Oh boy, and so it begins.
Tell Mo we need 6 outs tonight. Quickly.
Listen, it’s easy to bust Farnsworth for his performances previously, but you have to give Girardi and Eiland credit for sticking with him and allowing him to pitch himself into a good groove. He’s locating the ball MUCH better than he has before and he’s learned to stop throwing that slider down and in to lefties.
“But truthfully I am not nervous about him coming in.”
So I got one person to bite. Let’s see…
If he lets this get away against the bottom of their lineup, not only is the honeymoon with him over, but we learn that the wedding ring wasn’t a diamond but a cubic zirconia.
Please God. Please.
what is Nady’s contract for next year ? anyone know ?
“I need a drink” make it a double!
I cant watch
Thank god Jeter called Can’t catch ApopRod off
“The scariest thing about Joba is that he may be the Yankees number THREE starter next year if the Yanks throw a pile of money at CC and Wang comes back healthy.”
He’d be #3. But I’d consider him the best of the three.
Wow, I never knew my heart rate could go this high and I’m still able to type.
One of the good things that Girardi and Eiland have done this year is give a general definition to the bullpen. Farnsworth was jerked around the last few years (with reason), but he was never really allowed to build up any sort of confidence in his stuff. If he gets through this 8th inning unscathed, then it’s time to drop our complaints (at least for now!). And besides, Marte can pitch the 8th anyway :0
“He’s just not a good OF anymore.”
The stats back you up too. As whozat mentioned, Abreu has cost the team more runs on defense than any other right fielder in the league.
How can Manny NOT be on deck??
“Abreu’s numbers put him around 6th in the league.”
Which numbers? Fielding percentage? This season, as far as I can tell, based on stats like ZR and UZR, he stinks. Even if those numbers are inaccurate somewhat, he can’t be above average.
As for “all right handed”? Did you forget Matsui? Melky can’t hit righty either. Of course, he’s not really hitting at all. The only bat they have in the minors (Miranda) is also lefty.
As I said, I think Joe is making a big mistake heree.
“How can Manny NOT be on deck??”
He’s getting an MRI, they said here on NESN.
“If he gets through this 8th inning unscathed, then it’s time to drop our complaints (at least for now!)”
I’d give him lots of kudos. But I’d still like to see him go through the middle of their lineup before I give him total confidence. We are looking at Tek200 and Coco Puffs here.
Amazing how hard it is for Farns to get Crisp out.
Man we need a double play.
I wanna smack this dude right now !
I am so nervous right now…
Farnsworth should have let that go foul…
bad karma with that hit
You can’t blame Farnsworth for that, Crisp dribbled it down the line.
no hits in a month – 2 hits in 2 minutes
“Farnsworth was jerked around the last few years (with reason), but he was never really allowed to build up any sort of confidence in his stuff.”
Being demoted to the 7th doesn’t count as “jerked around”?
Awesome, kyle. Should’ve just let it go.
Uh Oh Kyle
We need a win today
Agh!!! Dumb play!!!
UGH!!!!!!!!!
&#(&!&#!(* Farnsworthless.
How many outs do we use Mo for?
Son of a
“That’s an example of what we are talking about with Abreu right there.
Why is he playing so deep for a singles hitter? Just an awful job by Abreu and it cost them an out.”
Playing “no doubles” defense w/ a 1 run lead. If you have an issue, talk with Girardi.
oh here we go….this is why you cant trust farnsworth
I’m hoping for a 1 pitch DP here.
Wow Mo for 5 outs?
What the $*#)@W)@ was that?
Dear Mr. Girardi,
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Confucius
Great job by Farns. Sexson is at first let him get the freaking ball. What an absolute moron Farns. is You can always count on him to do something stupid like he just did. I hate to say it but anytime you ask Mo to get 5 outs against the Soxs most of the time it doesn’t happen.
As amazing as it seems, bringing in Rivera against the Sox at Fenway is as nerve-wracking for me as bringing Farnsworth in the 8th is. The Yankees really need this game.
This is Boston Joe, not Oakland. Your mistake may cost us a game.
the big gong of death may have been rung. bye kyle and thanx for ending your fine run at THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kyle falling apart. It’s inevitable now.
Well – this is why Mo makes the big bucks!
Damn, that’s a problem. Gotta go to Mo now and see what happens.
Fluky play and it wouldn’t have mattered had Abreu made a routine play in RF on a short flyball.
If he wasn’t playing so deep that is.
I don’t like the idea of using Mo for 5 outs, but the good news is Mo has been outstanding in save situations and mediocre in tie games, so better off getting him in here rather than waiting.
WTF WAS HE THINKING !
com’on Mo!
Save us Mo
I`ve got a bad feeling about this
Man this will be a terrible loss if we blow it.
As much as I wasn’t nervous about Kyle I am not unhappy about Mo coming in…
whozat, Farnsworth was pulled by Torre at ANY sign of trouble. Who can build up confidence when their manager clearly has no confidence in them?
fredo,
i have worked in professional baseball, i have never once seen an outfielder position himself….it comes from the bench where they should be positioned…
Good move by Girardi – you have to go to Mo here.
Terrible play by Farnsworth. Disappointing outing. He’s bee very good recently so you let it go. But its not reassuring that in a very big spot he comes up short. That play was on him – just not smart baseball.
I think Marte may get a crack at being the set up guy in the 8th.
Crisp out of the basepath, and two blown calls at second. I expect nothing less of an Angel Martinez crew.
If the Sox win it, they’ll beat our best. Absolutely the right move now to go with Mo.
Can someone tell Girardi that he doesnt have to try to prove all Yankee fans that Farns is something special in these Boston series!! Im going to lose it if we blow this game for Joba!
Cmon Mo!! We need this win!!
Something special? he’s pitched the 8th inning for a while now.
strike 3
thank u jacoby
Dustin Pedroia scares the crap out of me.
Mo should be careful with the smurf he has been hitting like crazy.
JEFFNJ IS DEAD ON!
Call me crazy, but I’d rather see Farnsworth make a good pitch (like he did) and make a mental defensive error than give up the automatic solo HR he used to be known for.
Pedroia is a very dangerous hitter here with a man on second. That blown out gives him a chance with a man in scoring position.
I have to say as well. People are getting excited about all of the money coming off the books this winter, but most of the guys are going to be resigned or leave a huge hole.
Muss has been our best starter so far. Andy is our only lefty and a tested innings eater. Both will probably be back with only minimal savings made.
Giambi isn’t great but Texiera is going to want 7 yrs at $20M+. I don’t want him at those prices. I was secretly hoping we could sign Crede and put him at 1st (a long shot I know – not to mention another Boras client).
Anyway the guy I least wanted back was Abreu, who is a poor defender and an average offensive guy now. The RF free agents market is going to be thin though so we’d have needed to make a trade. Now Cash has his RF and his lefty arm for the pen he can spend the winter focusing on the rotation and 1st base.
Hi all -checking in from a cousin’s computer…can’t wait to see the highlights when I get home!!
Good move Joe, Mo is the guy we need right now.
I can’t watch.
CB agreed, with Marte in town I would think that Farnsy drops a notch on the ladder.
Cmon Mo deliver us from the evils…
now mo will be burnt for the rest of the series…
YEA!!
The great Rivera.
Mo does a good job and gets out of the jam – 3 outs to go!
I love you Mo !
GREAT JOB!!!
great job MO !!! we love you forever and ever lol
Okay.
Can breathe a tiny bit easier now. Can the Yankees PLEASE score another run?
Just one more, even?
GOAT!
Michelle, no problem, Marte can close tomorrow :0
Cool beans.
Talk about ice water in the veins of the warmest human being on earth!
GO MO!
“Who can build up confidence when their manager clearly has no confidence in them?”
Well, Girardi showed how much confidence -he- really has in Farns. He can’t be thrilled about having to squeeze five outs out of Mo here.
The confidence Farns gets depends entirely on how he performs. He performed badly last year. He performed badly in this inning.
is this going to be a truly inspirational win?
who cares about the money…last I knew the Yankees had some
Thank God for making Mariano a Yankee!!
Call Guiness! I just held my breath for 6 minutes.
michelle,
Mo threw 8 pitches, so unless he struggles in the ninth, he won’t be burnt for the rest of the series.
that’s my man man mo…been there done that. Nice job restoring order.
my man…MO
need some insurance runs here in the 9th
I don’t have a beef with Farnsy that inning.
He threw strikes and neither hit was exactly scorched.
Sometimes, stuff happens.
Girardi played the inning correctly.
Joba was done after 102 pitches and Farnsy was the right play.
It was also the right play to put in Mo to get those 2 outs.
He’s fresh and didn’t throw a lot of pitches.
Would be nice to get an insurance run because the Sox have the big guns coming up in the 9th.
thats ok that mo is gone for tomorrow, but he will be ready again for sunday and you need this win, the pitching matchups on sunday is horrible so this game is the MUST win, the next two we will wing it
rivera should take a shower
michelle it all depends on how many pitches he throws. He hasn’t thrown many. If he has an easy 9th he should be good to go for the other two games.
When they gave Mo 3 yrs I have to confess I thought Hank had overpaid. Now it looks like a bargain.
Those weren’t hard hit balls. No prob Kyle. Don’t even worry about it.
“now mo will be burnt for the rest of the series…”
Don’t worry about tomorrow until tomorrow.
oOoh. Scotchy, Scothcy Scotch. I love Scotch.
Farnsy pysched out by the impending arrival of Marte?
Gotta LOVE THE MO!!!
No choice but to go to Mo.
Hey, tomorrow may be a blow-out.
Confucius, Farnsworth was pulled in games where the Yankees were up or down several runs. He was NEVER given a chance to work out of it. I’m glad Girardi pulled him tonight for Mo, but generally speaking, he’s left Farnsworth in there and has been rewarded for it.
He has a tough job in the 9th. Most likely Ortiz, Youk and Lowell and maybe Manny.
**putting my vodka bottle down**
Nice job Mo.
Some insurance runs would be nice
Brian M.
I don’t want Mussina back next year. He will be 40 (or close to it) next year and nearing the end of a very good career. Let him finish his career out somewhere else. We don’t need more aging vets on our team, we have enough as it is.
Keep Pettite. Do not re-sign Abreu.
Mo has pitched in a few days if I recall correctly. He will be fine.
Win tonight and if he can keep his pitch count under 20, he’s fine for tomorrow.
You try and win the game that’s in front of you before worrying about the next day.
“Joba was done after 102 pitches and Farnsy was the right play.”
Agreed. No matter how nerve-wracking it can be.
Great job Mo, getting the gnats of the Boston lineup out. Please give us a cushion, with the heart of the order coming up.
Tonight was the one I really want to win. It takes the pressure off the rest of the series and puts it onto Boston.
Besides, everyone has been worrying about what a crushing loss this be for us if we blow it. Imagine how crushing it’ll be for Boston to get a great start from Beckett at home and still lose.
Ortiz’s wrist will be throbbing against that cutter. He’s not going to want to see that pitch.
the eternal pessimist = michelle
does farnsworthless still have any trade value? JUST DO IT!
You can’t worry about tomorrow with Mo. I did not think the yankees would win this game and the blow that the yankees winning this game would have on the sox will not be a minor one.
To lose game 1 of a series with your ace pitching and throwing a gem when the opposition is throwing a rookie out there is a real step back.
Win one of the next two and you take the series if Mo can put the game away.
Holy freaking crap. The bottom of our order is freaking awful. They just sit there looking at pitches. 7-8-9 is a joke tonight. Can’t wait til Nady gets here tomorrow.
Gotta love it though. Mo against the heart of the Red Sox order. What competition is all about!
hate that molina seems like a given..
“You try and win the game that’s in front of you before worrying about the next day.”
AMEN!
I like tomorrow’s matchup, but you never know – wouldn’t it be cool if Marte closed tomorrow’s game!?!
“papi and ortiz” says kay…. arent they the same person??
SJ44, I was just about to comment about what a great game this was. One of the best played overall games all year between two teams.
juussssstttttt couldnt resist the jab at girardi could you pete?…sad.
what are the chances we get a draft pick for farnsworth when he leaves? after all we did get one for vizcaino
I’m surprised that this hasn’t been one of those 4.5 hr games that we usually play against these fools.
SJ44 and Pylusk of course I agree with your take on Farnsworth. And Confucius you are right about Farnsworth and confidence. I would doubt that one bad inning after being sterling 9 straight games would shake his confidence. Odds have it that pitchers can have shaky innings. And yes, SJ44 is right on the money in saying that the balls weren’t scorched. And if the Yankees were leading the division by 5 games I think Girardi would have let Farnsworth try to get out of it. Situationally he did what he had to do – and would have done no matter who the reliever was, other than Mo.
Yeah, let’s trade a guy who has given up 2 hits and 0 runs in his last 30 hitters.
Please, EVERYBODY gives up hits, and sometimes runs, in the bullpen. Even Mo.
Farnsworth has been very, very good for most of this season.
Geez, the balls weren’t even hit hard off him.
Nobody is perfect.
Let’s hope Mo can get 3 more outs or folks will blame Farnsworth for the game.
Mo please save this game!!!
you know Sox Yankees can’t end any other way, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous.
I can’t even hold my water straight.
Watch Ortiz’s hands……no ability to hold the bat.
What exactly do you people want Farnsworth to do before you start accepting him? He’s been the single most dominant set-up man in baseball the past month.
He gave up a solid single and a fluke single tonight, and was pulled for the most reliable reliever there is. That’s not a knock on Girardi’s trust in Farnsy, its an example of Girardi’s trust in Mo.
1-0 against Boston with your rookie stud having pitched a gem in a game that suddenly became “must-win,” Girardi goes to Mo over ANYBODY in that situation. It’s simply the right move.
Watch the games, stop knocking Farnsworth because its the easy thing to do, the guy has helped this team climb right back into the division race.
“does farnsworthless still have any trade value? JUST DO IT!”
They’re not trading farnsworht. But one of the best parts of his strong season is that he’ll most likely be a type B free agent now and the yanks get a supplemental 1 round pick for him.
Coming into the year I didn’t think they’d get anything much for losing him.
BTW – Joba was a supplemental first round pick.
three more!! Go MO!!
No power. No problem.
Pepitone-
Are you an idiot?
Seriously.. the guy is leading the team in wins… he just pitched 8 innings of shut out ball the other day.. he is pitching better then he has in five years… so what if he is 37/38? are you kidding me? Why would we not bring back a potential 20 game winner?
2 more please…
mike lowell is the one who worries me.
The Boston clubhouse attendants have been alerted to clear the Gatorade jugs at any given moment. The tops of the heads of Youkilbaby and Papelmouth are ready to blow off.
Mo watchout w/ Drew
Oh great a hit from the crying baby…Come on Mo 2 more outs!!!
Hit him!! Just for fun
I’m sorry but if we are in tight games the next 2 days you pitch Mo every time. These are the Sox. We need these games, and if that means Mo 3 days in a row so be it. My 2 cents.
by monday we could be 1st in the al east…have the best bullpen in the league and be on our way to a division title…
Lowell scared me..It seems like he always flicks the ball over the wall or to the wall.
1 out at a time…1 game at a time.
this is a nail biter for sure!
“They’re not trading farnsworht. But one of the best parts of his strong season is that he’ll most likely be a type B free agent now and the yanks get a supplemental 1 round pick for him.”
If Horne had been healthy, I would have advocated moving him to the pen to see if he could acclimate to a late inning role, trade high on Kyle and move everyone up an inning in the pen, putting Horne in the role Robertson has now. But…
I dunno. Maybe I’d do that anyway and insert Britton, with Marte coming over now. I just feel like they can beat the value of a supplemental pick. Maybe add in a Mcallister-type and get a real interesting position player?
No SamVA, but are you. Mussina is an aging veteran who had one good season in a streak where he has been mediocre to awful. I’m glad he is doing well this year for us, but I don’t want him for next year.
This is the at bat where it would be nice if Mo had another pitch to go to…
Wow. He is PISSED.
1 more to go