It doesn’t happen very often
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- July
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This was the last 1-0 Yankees-Red Sox game at Fenway Park since Sept. 2, 2001. That was the game Mike Mussina had a perfect game until Carl Everett’s single with two outs in the bottom of the ninth.
The last 1-0 game between the teams was Sept. 11, 2005 in the Bronx. That was from Randy Johnson, Tom Gordon and Mo.
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I still curse Everett’s name every time I hear that, just for that one at bat.
This was a great deal they had to do and still hold on to there best prospects like hughes,kennedy,jackson,montero,betances,cox,melancon,sanchez etc. They really haven’t had good lefty since the stanton days and nady is much better then the kids right now. This should really really help them.
That game kills me every time Moose was sooooo close.
Pete, get Sexson’s take on the game please.
That was a great pitching display by Moose that night - Everett was in as a pinch hitter iirc and dumped one into RF.
Seriously where are all the media “experts” who said the Yankees were making a mistake putting Joba in the rotation?
Fools.
Everett was a bad dude all around, on and off the field, that’s why he fitted in perfectly with the Sox.
If were a player and a guy had me 0-2, one pitch away from a perfecto, I might strike out if i like the guy.
If I*
Evening all,
Few things I thought about tonight while driving around.
1) Great win for the Yankees. The Red Sox need an ACE!
2) Brandon must be devastated that Jose Tabata is a goner
3) How silly does G. Love look right now considering G. Love thought Cashman “didn’t have the stones” to trade any prospects
If were a player and a guy had me 0-2, one pitch away from a perfecto, I might strike out if i like the guy.
Is that you Brett Favre?
I think Everett is still on the LI Ducks.
PJH: Even in a 1-0 game?
(I know, I know….)
raymagnetic: G. Love had the cojones to say that Cashman did right.
Bob, no, but i do pray that the Jets land Favre
“Yankees RHP Phil Hughes , recovering from a fractured rib, threw batting practice in Tampa on Friday and is scheduled to make his first rehab start in the Gulf Coast League on Monday. Oft-injured RHP Carl Pavano , coming back from elbow ligament replacement surgery, is scheduled to pitch there Tuesday.”
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NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! GOD, PLEASE NO!
Rebecca- If the guy was a respectable figure, yes I would
So, no I would not give Josh Beckett a no hitter or perfect game
“raymagnetic: G. Love had the cojones to say that Cashman did right.”
Rebecca I’m sure he did. However for weeks he said that Cashman wouldn’t do it, even earlier today G. Love said Cashman was a “prospect hugger”. Kind of makes G. Love look silly right now.
“If were a player and a guy had me 0-2, one pitch away from a perfecto, I might strike out if i like the guy.”
“Is that you Brett Favre?”
I award you a 2 run double for that one
Question for 2009 - The Yankees have Wang and Joba, and will likely allow Pettitte to come back if he wants to ($16M, 1 year). IMO, you try to bring Mussina back on one more 1 year deal.
Obviously, CC will be FA target #1 - if he signs elsewhere, do you target Oliver Perez? Or too inconsistent?
I’m just wary of handing the #5 slot to Hughes or Kennedy; I’d rather they fully develop at AAA before being thrown to the fire.
How great was Joba tonight? WOW!
A little sad to see Tabata go, but he did it to himself. Marte and Nady should help.
Many how times has that happened in history, that is, one strike away from a perfect game?
You knew with all the crap that was going on with Tabata, Cashman was gonna deal him first chance he got.
Prospects are a gamble to begin with, add in being a headcase and you’re better off getting someone else for him.
Let’s not forget who Mussina’s opponent that night was…
He was in attendance tonight..
David Cone
IMO, end of 2008, Abreu, Farnsworth, and Marte walk for picks (Type A or B, Type A or B, Type A or B). 3-6 picks in the 1st and supplemental rounds. If the Yankees sign Teixeira or CC, they lose a 1st round pick.
Offer 1 year deals at less than MV to Giambi and Mussina.
End of 2009, let both walk, along with Nady, Damon, and Matsui. Hopefully all are at least type Bs, and some type As. 5-10 picks in 1st and supplemental rounds.
I’m guessing that if you have two type A FAs leave and sign with the SAME TEAM, you only get 1 1st round pick and 2 supplementals? Is this incorrect?
Someone Else: I’d need to see the full list of FA pitchers before telling you for sure.
Aha, FA draft pick rules: http://soxprospects.wikispaces.com/MLB+Compensatory+Draft+Pick+System
Hughes or Ollie???? The only team Ollie keeps in check is the Yanks.
I mean I will kill my self if he comes here and walks the park…at least Phil is only 22?
lets just hope we can at least win another game
game over in kc 5-3
nobody really remebers but clay bellienger made two great plays inculding a game ending diving stop down the first base line to stop the game from being tied.
Well, there goes any hope of KC winning.
Joba is going to be Youk’s head for years to come.
Bob- Id rather have a less talented player with a good attitude than a better player that is like Manny Ramirez.
Im not saying the player IS Manny, but I mean attitude wise. I could deal with some antics for a Manny.
Funny when Pedro was popping DJ, Soriano and others no said a word. Now the Sawx are going to talk about this Joba thing.
How sick would it be to have the CC, Joba, and Wang at the top of the rotation? That’s 1A, 1B, and 1C. Add Pettitte and Moose to that as the 4 and 5… crazy.
But even without CC, those 4 look pretty good right now. Hopefully we’ll see the potential #5 back on the club later this year.
“Hughes or Ollie???? The only team Ollie keeps in check is the Yanks.
I mean I will kill my self if he comes here and walks the park…at least Phil is only 22?”
Incorrect. Ollie’s been very inconsistent, but he’s shut down several excellent offenses (when on).
Check out Perez’s game logs for 2007-2008: http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/225417
All I remember is Jeter and Soriano going to the hospital vs Pedro. At least we have a coach now that sends a message.
No offense, I’ve thought Ollie was going to great, but that was two years ago.
I just don’t know how he would do in the AL, that’s just my opinion.
I’m worried about Sabathia though. Watch how the Brewers are using him and how many pitches they let him throw. They know he’s not gonna be there next year and are gonna run him into the ground the next few months.
i think we fleeced the pirates in this trade.
It all points to A-rod being plunked by someone like hansen or papelbon… Wakefield is not going to plunk anyone tomorrow and even if he does, its not going to help them anyway.. If at all schilling or beckett was starting the next day, they would have definitely done something.. I say if the sox hit our batter intentionally, send hawkins to throw at varitek or youkillis… That way the damage is done without too much loss..
Missed the last part of the game, but sounds like an exciting game. Did the Sox look tired? Would Manny have made a difference? Or was the pitching that good? (don’t need to hear about Farnsworth, heard that part on the radio)
Now that we won the 7th consecutive game, I can concentrate on the “trade” that Cashman has no inkling of.
All I can say is wows. Only one big name in Tabata? Sounds like a steal to me.
Best of luck to all the Yankees that will go. You’d rather see them go where they can play and succeed.
The Red Sox are pissed. Tek said they’re going to talk about what to do about Joba almost hitting Youkilis again.
Not to get too greedy, but I’d like a win tomorrow, too!
Nick in SF,
All lists now begin with Joba.
Jesus Lord. Ross Gload just hit a HR off Percival. The problem? Instead of tying it up, they lose 5-3 because KC gave up 2 in the top of the 9th.
Ollie, 99 hits, 63 walks in 117 inning with a 4.00 ERA….keep him in the NL
Phil Hughes has thrown far too few innings this year to be considered for a rotation spot at the beginning of the year in ‘09. He’s basically going to have to repeat this year as far as building up his innings goes, and probably shouldn’t even be mentioned in talk regarding next year’s opening rotation. Kennedy is more likely to have a shot at the #5 slot than Hughes is.
I see Pettitte and Moose both getting 1-year offers, especially if NY is unable to sign C.C.
I think we may see an old skool brawl wit the Sox tomorrow.
define old school brawl
Wolf,
Fully agree, but he may go to the AFL to build innings. He by no way has lost his stature with the Yankees. IMO, it is just a matter of time.
Ray,
How do I look silly when Cashman finally did what I was begging him to do for many weeks.
He finally gave up some prospects for pieces to help the team now. Prior to this he had shown little to no inclination to do so when the team was losing pitches and hitters by the second.
But I’ll lay off him now. He did great tonight. He made a great deal and didn’t fall in love with Tabata enough to make a deal to help this team win now.
His stock has gone up a lot in my book since his pre-season plan for Kennedy and Hughes blew up in his face and hurt the team in the early going.
He fixed it. That’s all I was asking him to do.
He finally beat the other GM’s who were actively pursuing these guys.
Great job.
Wolf, the Yanks may handle Hughes in the same manner as they did Chamberlain, this year. It’s almost a certainty that the NYY will need at least 6 starters next year for parts of the season. That would bring his innings back on line and then the Yanks can turn him loose in 2010 when, most likely Mussina or Pettitte could be gone.
A brawl circa 2004 when A Rod was hit by Arroyo.
Terrific trade. Cashman’s best since David Justice. Better when you factor in that Justice was at least partially a salary dump, while this deal will actually save us money next year.
Not only do we get the righty bat and lefty reliever we needed, we get two picks this winter for Abreu, who we replace next year with a leaner, younger, cheaper, right-handed, better defender who’ll be playing for a contract.
And for what, 2 over-the-hill pitching “prospects”, a C level arm, and a fat, injury-prone, malcontent who can’t hit the ball out of the infield at AA? Amazing.
Olney said he got a lot of calls and e-mails from executives saying, “Are you kidding? That’s all they gave up?”
Killed two birds with one stone. Very impressive.
G Love praising Cashman.. WTF is this bizzaro world
And he said the rays were looking at Nady and the sox were looking at marte.
Well now they can look at them in pinstripes.
Brandon-
How are you handling Tabata’s departure?
Vader and GB7 - I agree with you both. I didn’t mean to insinuate that Phil had lost any stature with the Yankees. GB7 put my thoughts into words far better than I did myself.
I have just seen a lot of people pencil Phil into the rotation next year as if this year never happened the way it has. Innings in the AFL could certainly help, but I still think GB’s scenario is exactly what Yankee fans need to be prepared for.
I am fully on board with this trade.
For the Yankees it is in essence Tabata for Nady and Marte for at least a year and two months and many draft picks.
Kontos as others have mentioned may have a decent ceiling but the Yankees have tons of these guys and many with much higher ceilings.
Coke - great year and a lefty. But as soon as Bleich signs he would have become the lefty most likely to make it to NY. Watch out for Wilkins De Le Rosa in two years.
Ohlie - not sure he would have much of a place in NY. If he is a reliever, the Yankees are now stacked with very good right handed arms with more to come - see Melancon.
Tabata - is the wild card. Is he a pernennial .300 hitter or a flame out. Who knows. At any rate he doesn’t help the team until at least 2010 season. By then things will have changed and the Yankees restocked.
You give up nothing of present value for two players that are more than rentals. Help win now. Helps win next year. Draft picks will offset the loss of Tabata and help in the future especially with the Yankees focus and success recently in the draft.
Nady’s gotta be happy coming back to New York
I just figured something else out - the Yankees definitely have their scouts out - I’ve heard the 2009 amateur draft is supposed to be somewhat weak - take Marte’s option, he walks at the end of 2009, and you get additional 2010 draft picks instead.
By the end of 2009, there will be a LOT of contracts off the books.
Current Yankees that will probably not be Yankees in 2010 (in decreasing likelihood) -
Hawkins, Abreu, Farnsworth, Giambi, Matsui, Damon, Mussina, Pettitte. (Marte and Nady also).
That’s a lot of money that will not be on the 2010 payroll.
I think because of Varitek saying they were going to discuss it that both teams will be warned before the game. Maybe for both games remaining.
Expect that they will retaliate in the next series, not this one.
Hey, I really wanted the Yankees to acquire the Pirates’ other corner outfielder, Bay, and quite frankly, with the Yankees current bullpen proving as effective as it has demonstrated recently and with Bruney returning, I wasn’t as obsessed with acquiring a lefty-reliever as Girardi and Cashman were.
That being said, however, I have no cause to complain about this deal.
The Yankees obtained two players with the potential to have an immediate impact and they didn’t sacrifice a great deal to do so. I liked Ohlendorf and had hope for Tabata but with Veras’ emergence, Ollie became expendable and Little Manny is years away from fulfilling his potential, if ever. Don’t count him out though. It can take some player a year or more to recover fully from hamate surgery.
My only qualm with this acquistion is how it affects the Yankees’ off-season. I sincerely hope Cashman and Co. haven’t concluded that Nady is a viable replacement for Abreu. He isn’t. If Abreu agrees to a one or two-year contract at Matsui and Damon’s cost, the Yankees would be far better served re-signing him and finding another place for Nady, whether at 1st base or in LF or at DH or as a 4th outfielder, and divesting themselves of Matsui, who has become a one-dimensional milstone.
Nady’s having an exceptional year, granted, but his average career production is no match for Abreu’s.
I also think Gardner goes to AAA to get regular work, Hawkins is out, Giese stays as the long man, and Christian is the outfield bench guy/pinch runner.
If the Yankees get Washburn, Giese goes to AAA, and Rasner becomes the long man (he has no options remaining).
Wolf,
I just wonder how long they let Phil go, because he really needs to get innings.
Hmm, what about 40 man roster fixes… Hawkins going bye-bye clears one spot. I assume Matsui and Posada will go 60 day DL.
#1 reason to be in favor of getting Marte - the Rays/Red Sox didn’t.
The Red Sox need relief help. Now they have to overpay for Fuentes or Sherrill.
Someone Else-
You are spot on.
Obviously, the situation with Mussina and Pettitte will be up to them. If Pettitte stays healthy and effective, NYY will keep signing him to one year plus an option year. With Mussina, depending on how he finishes this season and he wants to stay, I’d think a one year plus option will keep him in NY. He’ll be close to 300 wins by the end of 2009 and having him go into the HOF is a big lure for both him and the team. Where it could get crowded is if they both turn in 18-20 wins in those 3 years. At that point Mussina makes his own rule on leaving and Pettitte would be closing in on 300 wins (don’t laugh…I would put nothing but 3,000 strikeouts out of Pettitte’s reach).
I’m guessing Hawkins will be DFAed, Nady will get #22 and Rasner will give up #43 for Marte?
If you take their play in the field into account, I think Nady could definitely be a suitable replacement for abreu
Wasn’t Ollie on the 40 man? My guess is Geise and Gardner go down.
Also, for the Cashman haters, he really has targetted the Yankees #1 weakness - facing lefty pitching.
Sexson is nothing special, but he’s a RH batter who can hit lefties.
Nady is a RH batter that can hit lefties.
I like the way this team is shaping up to be - even with the disaster of losing your ace and two of your core RBI guys.
Brandon,
I’m off Cashman for the rest of the season. He stepped up and he schooled the other GM’s who were all waiting until the deadline to offer garbage for these two guys.
He did exactly what I was advocating — he traded some prospects for pieces for the big club.
If he can pull off getting Washburn for Igawa, I’ll personally nominate him for GM of the year.
BP on Nady:
At age 29, Nady has passed the expiration date for reaching major league stardom. He has become a useful player with moderate power, but his refusal to take a walk and his average-at-best defense in right field limit his opprrtunities to start to second-division clubs. His BABIP-inflated average figures to take a hit this season as it regresses to the mean, but he still profiles as a top-flight reserve if he can escape Pittsburgh and hook up with a contender Such a move would also benefit the Pirates by freeing up right field for Steve Pearce.
BP on Marte:
Marte can be death to left-handed btters with his low-90s fastball and sharp-breaking slider; he throws with a crossfire motion that makes it appear sas though the ball is coming at them from somewhere behind their right ear. Marte also handles right-handers well, making him more valuable than the standard-issue LOOGY. Best of all for the Bucs, Marte took a pay cut after the 2005 season in order to have two club-option years tacked on to his contract, so the Pirates have him under control at a below-market salary this year. His option for 2009 triples his salary to $6 million, which could make him a candidate to be moved at the this year’s trading deadline.
A couple typos there, but yeah.
About the 40 man…. Olly was on the 40, so Marte slides right in there. For Nady’s 40 man spot, move Duncan to the 60day DL.
Christian goes down, Hawkins get’s DFA’d.
If we get Washburn, Giese goes down and Rasner becomes long man.
“Wasn’t Ollie on the 40 man? My guess is Geise and Gardner go down.”
Aha, true.
I’d much rather keep Giese on the 25 man and ditch Hawkins. DFA him if no one wants him.
Giese fits the ‘just in case my SP gets shelled in the 2nd’ long man role. Be VERY thankful the Yankees haven’t needed that, but I love having a guy who can do that. I hope he gets work on the side to stay fresh.
Brandon-
How are you handling Tabata’s departure?
It hurt at first (for my own reasons of giving up on a 19 yr. old.), but the decision came down to him or Jackson and to be fair Cashman must have had a knife to the Pirates GM in this deal, this is a heist if Nady pans out to his .330 AVG.
I’m sorry I’m going out right now and playing 12 09 as my win4 lotto numbers be back later peoples.
What’s the scouting report on Nady’s defense?
Hey nice work, as usual, Rebecca. I couldn’t agree more with BP’s appraisal of Nady.
Vader -
I agree once again. It will have to be a delicate balance of getting him some work in and making sure he is still fairly fresh for spring training.
I totally trust the Yankees to figure it out though. They did a tremendous job prepping Joba. I know, that last statement makes me Captain Obvious. LOL
I hope Tabata proves to be a great player (anytime our prospects pan out, it improves our position).
But this looks like a GREAT deal for the Yanks!
I really hope Hawkins gets DFA’d here.
I like Giese a lot right now. I think he’s earned his spot in spades. Same with Robertson.
Marte in the pen is going to be sick. We just made a strength stronger.
Keep dreaming, guys. They’re noting dfa’ing Hawkins at this point. Doesn’t Geise have options? Hawkins is still a chip for teams that need relievers.
It’s crazy that these powerhouse teams pulled out with a 1-0 game… which just made the game even more great. A pitching duel can be just as exciting as the home run, especially when it’s Joba on the mound. Tomorrow’s match-up looks great too. Tonight’s game was sweet victory.
http://flairforthedramatic.mlblogs.com
BTW, my peeps, Nady has played CF before. Keep that in mind too. He played 11 games in CF in 07.
Against a tough lefty, I wouldn’t mind Girardi-o relegating Melk-man to a late-inning defensive replacement. Melk man is hitting .219 as a righty, .219/.291/.316. Those numbers are woeful.
Lifted from the ESPN web site. Can you imagine how much it hurt them to type this. Their server may go down.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
NYY (57-45) 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 9 0
BOS (60-44) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 0 Final
W: J. Chamberlain (3-3)
L: J. Beckett (9-7)
SV: M. Rivera (26)
May this be the first of many. Go Yanks!!!
Kill Schill: That’s BP talking, not me.
You know, I think this might be, in the past year or so, about the second time I can actually say that I agree with you, no exceptions.
I agree with you.
Have to love the Boston boards and ESPN whining about this trade being so lop-sided in favor of the Yankees, but, thought the Boston move of picking up Schilling for even less was pure genius by Epstein.
A key part of this trade is what the alternatives were in terms of the competition.
I was assuming that Tampa would be the team that would trade for Nady. They have a huge need for hitting, especially right hand power hitting and their RF production is terrible. On top of that they have the best farm system in baseball.
I find it hard to believe they couldn’t top the yankees offer in ways that would have made the pirates want to trade marte and nady separately.
The team with the greatest need for Marte is Boston - not just the left handed part - their bull pen is just terrible and they really have to make a trade for an arm.
Now all Tampa has for an option is to overpay for Jason Bay. Boston will have to do the same for Fuentes. Will they want to do that after the disaster of the Gagne trade - a trade which keeps getting worse for them because Engel Beltre has become the best player in the Midewestern League and may become an elite level prospect?
By moving first the yankees upped the cost of doing business for Tampa and Boston.
Its difficult to factor how big this trade is for them becasue you really have to factor in how those players may have impacted the competition.
Getting Marte and Nady not only add wins to the yankees - but there is a good chance they directly took wins away from Tampa and Boston.
One of the best Yankee trades in recent memory. Think carefully haters. We’re giving up a 19-year old PROSPECT (no “prospect” is a guaranteed all-star player, they are only “prospects” for a reason). The kid is talented but has no power, a bad attitude, and is struggling in AA. Even if he somehow turns it around, he’s wayyyy away from reaching the bigs, probably 3 years. And this is the “centerpiece”! Also gone is Ohlendorf (sure he might turn into a 4th/5th starter or setup man but we are loaded with pitching in the minors anyway and he hasn’t proved anything against MLB hitters). Coke is improving but no more than a middle of the pack pitcher and is behind Horne, McCutchen, Aceves, Kennedy, Melancon, Cox ect. in the pecking order. Kontos is nothing special.
Essentially it’s Ohlendorf and Tabata, 2 iffy prospects with potentially high ceilings for one of the best corner outfielders this year (perhaps the best on the market) and the best lefty reliever on the market. What’s not to love about it? This move is huge and gives us a solution to 2 out of the 3 problem areas we have: LHP in the bullpen and RHB corner outfielder that doesn’t have to DH like everyone else. The third is the 4th/5th spot in the rotation but I think the Washburn deal could still be on. Cashman’s already gone up a couple of levels in my book after I have criticized him for years.
Amazing that after tonight’s performance that we’re talking about something other than Joba.
Beckett and the Sox shut us down to the tune of 1 run, and Joba (with Mo) made it hold up. Amazing!
My question now is do the Yankees chase Saltalamacchia or Olivo ?
SomeGuy32, wasnt Mussina’s opponent in that game Pedro?
Amazing game by Joba… just amazing job…
Where is Mike and Dog right now, all the trash he talks about Joba not being a topline pitcher and should go back to the pen, etc. This was the perfect slap in the face to him and goose.
Love the trade
Or is Washburn the next move ?
“What’s the scouting report on Nady’s defense?”
He’s a decent enough RF. Range isn’t great. But the important thing with Nady is that he does have a good arm - it’s a legitimate RF arm.
He can also play first base which helps with flexibility and for next year.
Yazman you’re right on. It would be foolish to forget what Joba (and Mo as well) did tonight. We shut down the best offense in the AL (yeah I know Texas has the numbers but Boston’s is fearsome) with only 1 run of support. Joba pitched a game for the ages, one of the best performances by any rookie I’ve ever seen. This kid should be near the top of the list for AL Rookie of the Year, he is simply unbelievable.
CB I didn’t take that to account, can you imagine the price tag on Fuentes and Sherril now ?
“What’s the scouting report on Nady’s defense?”
Better than Matsui and Abreu. Much better arm, as good a range if not better. Doesn’t play like a 50 year old.
Nady’s been a better first-half hitter for his career, but he’s been very hot in July (1.017 OPS!).
Brandon,
I do think they are going to get Washburn. And I think they’ll get him on favorable terms.
Seattle has such a bloated payroll - they are clearly in rebuild mode and have to dump salary.
They are going to try to dump salary and there aren’t going to be many teams willing to take washburn’s salary.
The yankees made this trade tonight to win this year. Washburn’s a league average pitcher - but it’s very possible either one or both of Ponson and Aceves will be considerably worse than league average.
After that I think they’ll be done. Although, in many ways, getting another catcher was their biggest need. Not all needs can be filled however.
Also, next year, when the Yankees take 20 odd RHP players in the draft, remember this trade - depth is good. If you can get even B list pitchers developed in your system, they have trade value.
Fair point, CB, but I’m no more enamored with Nady as a consequence. I’ll be even less pleased if the Rays succeed in acquiring Bay.
As far as I’m concerned Marte is an asset but for the Yankees was hardly a necessity. I still maintain another starter would profit them far more.
Who knows how Marte is going to perform in the AL East in a pennant race? Gagne’s performance last year taught me a valuable lesson about the dubious virtue and uncertain performance of middle relievers.
Farnsworth’s performance probably will prove more important to the Yankees fate than Marte’s.
Just imagine how great Xavier Nady would look at the plate with Bonds batting behind him!
Just kidding.
“Fair point, CB, but I’m no more enamored with Nady as a consequence. I’ll be even less pleased if the Rays succeed in acquiring Bay.”
The Rays will have to WAY overpay to get Bay.
Even if he helps them this season, he hurts them in the future.
The Rays are a legitimate contender now - not a pretender. Anything that weakens their long term prospects helps the Yankees.
Price very well could be a LHP version of Joba. They are going to be an amazing club over the next half decade.
Kill-Schill,
There is no way Blobby Abreu is brought back on a multi-year deal. None. He’s fat and disinterested now in a walk-year. Imagine how sleepy and indifferent he’ll be with another long line of guaranteed paydays? The two picks we’ll get for him this winter is the highest value he’ll ever have.
To me, Nady is just starting to blossom and is on the verge of big things. 29 is not old for a corner outfileder and plenty of guys hit their stride around that age (ex. Ryan Church this year.)
Don’t forget, we got Paul O’Neill when he was 29 and he hadn’t done much more than Nady has so far. The guy’s got a solid, right-handed bat, he’s a much better defender than BP gives him credit for, and he’ll be in a walk year, which will guarantee his undivided attention. He’s our rightfielder next year, Damon’s in left and Matsui is the DH.
Marte has already pitched in the AL & been quite successful.
Great win and, I think, very good trade.
Having a solid, no-frills young veteran like Nady allows Matsui to now have to rush back, Damon to coer his injuries a bit at DH, and Giambi to play first full-time. That might just be the kind of Band-Aid to get us through the rest of this season.
I would have said Marte wasn’t necessarily a needed piece, but tonight’s not the night to say that. He’s with us now, and perhaps that means a bit less of Krazy Kyle’s Adventure for the rest of his tenure as a Yankee.
It’s amazing to see Jose Tabata’s stock drop this much, but he’s too much of a question mark at this point to be the piece that holds a trade like this up. He may develop the power. He may develop the discipline, both at the plate and emotionally. That’s too many “mays” to put all your eggs in his basket. We do need to start getting some position players into the upper levels of the minor league system, though.
Ohlie…..I like Ohlie. I think he can be a solid reliever and, perhaps, a decent starter. I also still think Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy will be better pitchers than him, and that we’ve probably got guys like Sanchez, Betances, etc., to be more excited about. Good luck to him.
Whatever on Coke and Kontos. Coke is 26 (??) and in AA and, while I know nothing about Kontos, RAB never liked him, and there must be a reason for that. Nothing to lose sleep over. If one of them happens to become something special, we’ve still got plenty of guys who may too.
My gut feeling is that Igawa/Washburn does happen and that the Yanks do their damndest to reach the postseason.
Brandon, I think the Washburn scenario is the only other thing they may move on. The last I read, the Yankees weren’t the ones that initiated most of the discussion about catchers linked to them. I believe I also read where it was said they didn’t see C as being a big concern. I’m sure that could change at any time, but my gut feeling is we make a move for Washburn and we’re done.
That said, I would love to have Salty in pinstripes no doubt about it.
It doesn’t hurt to have a lefty relief pitcher. It gives a different look to the batters and Marte has been effective.
Nady and Marte looked pretty happy when they got the news.
“prospect hugger” is really sticking as a phrase, by the way?
there’s things people can say on here which make them sound like intelligent, thoughtful fans. there’s things people then say which just make them sound just plain dumb.
calling someone a “prospect hugger” falls in the latter.
“Also, next year, when the Yankees take 20 odd RHP players in the draft, remember this trade”
Great point, Someone Else.
We should rate Cashman’s devotion to youth on:
a) how many kids get legitimate chances (PLENTY this year)
b) do we keep and develop most (not all) of our top prospects.
Yes, nice day to be a Yankee fan today!
Rebecca and Brandon,
It’s fitting that this thread is titled “It Doesn’t Happy Very Often”, eh?
All I want to see is the big club win. I’m tired of hearing about Boston being a budding dynasty.
With Joba on the hill we’re a completely different team. Not the pushovers we sometimes were when we went into Fenway.
Tonight the sox were the one’s crying about strikes, getting thrown at, etc.
That used to be us.
The worm is turning.
If Damon moves back to LF, Abreu could be traded for prospects, that would be worth more than the draft picks.
If Mussina stays strong and plays well in the playoffs, ! more year would not be unreasonable. Ditto for Pettitte. Giambi should be a goner,, as well as Abreu, Farnsworth, Pavano, and Hawkins saving the Yankees some 57M.
Nady has 10 assists, 5 double plays, 2 errors in RF so his defense must be decent.
Ah, yes. I was at that particular game. I lost track of Giambi’s homer and thought it went foul before I heard the cheers.
And, without a doubt, Tim Wakefield had the best knuckler in history on that day. The swings the guys were taking were just otherwordly-awful.
Mo also had a rare cardiac save. He either loaded the bases or put two on, can’t remember which. He may have entered in the 8th for Gordon.
One thing that should be acknowledged is that the Pirates are a bad team. You’d figur Marte will be a good option out of the pen for a setup role, and Nady will only get better in this lineup.
I don’t think the Yankees feel that Molina behind the plate is that bad an option. While Moeller isn’t the greatest backup, he does a decent enough job.
If the RS can contend with Tek behind the plate hitting about the same (though with some more power) than Molina, the Yankees can also.
I wonder if the Rays would try a trade for Teixeira to give them another bat. If the Braves struggle this weekend, Teixeira will be on the trade block. That could be intersting, but it will cost big enough.
“It’s amazing to see Jose Tabata’s stock drop this much…”
Based on this trade, I’d argue that Tabata’s value didn’t drop near as much as many feared. He was the centerpiece that brought us two of the more hotly desired commodities on the market this week. That’s not chopped liver.
“There is no way Blobby Abreu is brought back on a multi-year deal. None. He’s fat and disinterested now in a walk-year… Don’t forget, we got Paul O’Neill when he was 29 and he hadn’t done much more than Nady has so far.”
Yeah, whatever.
Jorge,
Prospect Hugger I take it?
It’s okay. You still have Hughes, Jackson and Kennedy to snuggle up with and the big club just got a lot better.
BTW-Prospect Hugger t-shirts will be on sale at a Modell’s near you soon.
“Farnsworth’s performance probably will prove more important to the Yankees fate than Marte’s.”
KS,
I think your underselling Nady’s importance to the yankees at this moment.
This deal is not simply getting Nady - it is replacing Brett Gardner with Nady.
That’s how you have to look at Nady. You can’t judge him independently as a talent given how he was acquired for a specific reason.
Replacing a .400-.500 OPS player with a .800-.900 OPS player is an enormous advantage - that alone could be worth 3-4 additional wins this season for the yankees.
It’s not just what Nady will do for them. The move will prevent Gardner from hurting them.
Without Nady the Yanks just don’t have a major league caliber player to play in LF or DH.
Nady’s net benefit will be very large because his talents and who he is replacing.
And Marte is great insurance against Farnsworth returning to his baseline Farnsworthness. Marte is closing for the pirates right now and doing a good job. It would not surprise me at all to see marte become the yanks 8th inning guy. Tremendous value for that reason despite how good the pen has been.
What I see happening now:
1) the Yankees move for Washburn and now have leverage to avoid having to take on Vidro.
2) The Yankees look at Olivo and Laird, but unless the deal is really favorable, like the other team willing to take on Hawkins, I don’t see it happening.
Wait, I assume Nady is going to play LF, right? He’s played a little in the past, but that’s clearly where they need him right now.
Oh I agree with you CB about Nady’s virtue in replacing Gardner/Christian. The Yankees bottom three in the order is woeful right now.
What’s more, the Yankees desperately needed a right-handed bat.
I’m just not go to sing Hosannahs either. I confess I did sing them however when the Yankees acquired Justice and Abreu. I was hoping for a bat of that caliber. Bay fit the bill; Nady doesn’t.
Still, I’m pleased Cashman acted. I’m only worried the Yankees now think they can replace Abreu with Nady in RF for 09.
There are also times when Mo goes to many days in a row. Marte might give Mo a night off to keep him from being over used.
Setting up Mo with a lefty could be very effective as well.
Bay would have cost too much, I think. The Pirates don’t seem to be all that sold on trading Bay, so the price goes up quite a bit to get him.
They might not be willing to move Bay now unless they are blown away with a trade. The team getting him will be fleeced.
I’m amused by the term “prospect-hugger.” Not that it isn’t at times accurate.
If anybody wants an honest lowdown on the guys we dealt, go to Baseball Prospectus and listen to Kevin Goldstein break it all down.
KG thinks its a bad trade. He knows his stuff.
A bad trade for Pittsburg, I meant to say. He likes it for the Yankees.
Ron,
Mo struck out Olerud to end that game with the tying and go ahead runs on base.
It was a huge win as it put us 3 back (instead of 5) with like 18 to play.
Bay is a better bat than Nady, but a worse fielder.
And Xavier is so totally a cooler name than Jason.
“Ron,
Mo struck out Olerud to end that game with the tying and go ahead runs on base.
It was a huge win as it put us 3 back (instead of 5) with like 18 to play.”
Ah, thank you. I remember the fear of being beaten by the likes of OlderDude.
Beane who?
“I’m just not go to sing Hosannahs either.”
I would have preferred Bay as well - but he would have cost a tremendous amount.
Part of what I like about the deal is that it continues the yankees movement away from the idea that you have to have an all star at every position.
The key part to Nady’s season this year is that his batting average on balls in play is .367 - much higher than any of his career levels. Way higher and not sustainable. In some ways he’s having a year very reminiscent of Posada’s year last year.
Now on the off chance Nady continues this lucky streak - great. If he seriously comes even close to producing at a .900-.930 OPS clip the yankees will be an terrific offense again. But I don’t see that happenning - I think he’ll be his usual .800 OPS self for the yanks.
And that’s good enough for right now. He’s not expensive, he’s not really a salary dump. He’s not old.
He’s just a fairly good - above average - hitter who fills a need.
He makes the yankees a more complete team this season and gives them flexibility moving forward.
If they decide to resign Abreu they can play nady at first base - he is a legitimate first baseman. That could save them from being desperate and throwing $140M at Teixeira.
Its not easy to find a guy who can play RF, LF and 1b. Not many guys have the arm to play a legitimate RF. He’s flexible that way and its nice to get a player like that.
He’s the kind of player they moved away from acquiring for years in favor of expensive free agents.
How did X escape the Mets?
Kill Schill,
I think Nady is getting a 2 month audition to prove whether he’s the RF next season or not. Nothing is set in stone for next year.
I also don’t think he’s going to play a ton of RF unless this deal sends Abreu into a tailspin.
I think this will motivate Abreu the rest of the way and the Yanks will let him walk. There’s something about him that just doesn’t sit right.
On a side note, I hope they keep Gardner up. I know his playing time will be nil, but man oh man what a threat he would be as the Homer Bush-esque pinch runner we haven’t had for a long time.
This newly humble Beckett is scaring me and growing on me, too.
the only thing i want from Nady is to take his pitches to bring up his OBPS. I wonder where he will bat? 5th, 6th?
After the Duanar Sanchez injury, Omar dealt Nady for Perez and Roberto Hernandez
*Duaner Sanchez
How did X escape the Mets?
He was traded to the Pirates for Oilver Perez back in 06.
I just got home from a BBQ. I almost did a dance in my living room. Great trade and great win I wish I could catch Jobas start but I cannot wake up at 9 to watch the encore. Nady and marte will suffice and stop the loony bin Bonds talk.
Imagine this lineup:
Damon
Jeter
Abreu
Rodriguez
Giambi
Nady
Cano
Cabrera
Molina
..interesting lefty righty concept for Girardi to play with.
Can someone tell me how Joba looked. I saw highlights but not enough, did he dominate?
Blargh,
Thanks. That’s the taxi cab injury?
mel-
The Mets traded Xavier for Ollie Perez & Roberto Hernandez.
Al from BK, Joba was dominant. 9ks 3 hits thru 7 innings.
Yep, the taxi cab injury
Must’ve sucked for Nady to go from the Mets who were doing well at the time (if I remember correctly, anyway) to being banished to Pittsburgh
Al,
I watched the first 5 innings. He settled down after the first.
Recap said he retired his last 10 batters with 5 K’s.
He did knock down Youk without hitting him.
Nady playing in left field could only be a big deal at Yankee stadium with that huge left field. That’s a lot of ground to be covering.
Can someone tell me how Joba looked. I saw highlights but not enough, did he dominate?
no he walked too many people
Agreed CB. And G.Love, I seriously hope you’re wrong about the Yankees decision-making on Abreu. He has at least another year or two of production in him and apart from A-Jax the Yankees’ most developed outfield prospects don’t rank very high and are years away from burgeoning.
If the Yankees have to divest themselves of anyone in the future to make room for Nady, I’d like to see revisit a trade for Matsui. His arthritic knees suggest he’s now nothing more than a DH and hence an albatross.
The Yankees gain for more in roster flexibility from versatile players like Nady, even if Matsui is the better hitter.
Well Perez has worked out for the Mets. Finally. We think.
Al,
It was Joba’s best start of his career tonight. He was brilliant.
“On a side note, I hope they keep Gardner up. I know his playing time will be nil, but man oh man what a threat he would be as the Homer Bush-esque pinch runner we haven’t had for a long time.”
I think Christian satisfies that role for now - I see Gardner being called up by the end of August so he can be on the postseason roster as a pinchrunner, also.
Thanks guys for the Joba info he outpitched the Sox Ace at Fenway that says something about him. I saw the highlights his breaking stuff looked filthy. I am excited about the trade too it seems like all the pieces are coming together and Cashman gets a big time reprieve for any past decisions for getting the deal done. Giving up Tabata is crappy but they get back a lefty under control next year and a solid righty bat. I am very pleased.
The difference is this: Gardner is young and has a chance to hit enough to be a good 4th outfielder, if not a starter. Best to give him lots of AAA ABs and let him show his stuff.
Christian’s got great speed and much less of a future. He’s also a nice option against lefties, even with Nady. Christian used to be an infielder, so he might even be used there.
LOL @ Cashman:
(re: Joba as a starter)
“This is what we were going to do, and we did it,” General Manager Brian Cashman said. “Glad to see everybody getting on the bandwagon.”
I can’t believe the Yankees traded away Phil Franchise!
… I’m referring to Phil Coke, of course.
(By the way, who is Phil Coke?)
Marte’s career numbers vs. notable AL lefties -
Markakis: 0-2
Drew: 4-8
Ortiz: 2-7
Thome: 0-4
Sizemore: 1-7
Granderson: 0-1
Garrett Anderson: 3-8
Morneau: 3-8
Abreu: 0-2
Giambi: 0-5
Ibanez: 4-16
Ichiro: 1-6
Crawford: 1-3
Cliff Floyd: 0-2
Carlos Pena: 4-15
Hamilton: 1-2
anyone now if nady has every faced wakefield and if he did wat is his number against him
My take.. great trade… The only 1 that may come back to haunt the Yanks big time is Tabata. He i 19, so who knows if he will be the next Willie Mays or Drew henson..
Good trade… Nady is a very serviceable OF, he is only 29 and under control.. The Yanks actually almost have a bench.. Marte is a good lefty and he is under control for next yr, but at a big price..
Please Hawkins deserves to go…
Nady is 0-1 against Wakefield but has a RBI
Nady is 0-2 vs. Lester
isint tabata out for teh rest of the year also
How good has Yankee pitching been?
Since the ASB, Yankee pitching–total, including starters and hawkins–has a K/BB ratio above five.
No other team is over 3.5.
the WHIP is also down to 1.07–only Milwaukee’s has been lower.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?sort=strikeoutToWalkRatio&split=182&group=9&season=2008&seasonType=2&statType=pitching&type=exp2