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Breaking news: Trade reconfigured

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 26, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees are sending RHP Dan McCutchen, RHP Jeff Karstens, OF Jose Tabata and RHP Ross Ohlendorf to Pittsburgh for Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte.

LHP Phil Coke and RHP George Kontos are not in the deal.

Nady and Marte are on their way to Boston.

UPDATE, 11:57 p.m.: Once the teams decided on Tabata and Ohlendorf, the Pirates had a list of players to choose from. Coke and Kontos were on that list.

I don’t know enough about Coke to have an opinion on him. But I have watched McCutchen enough to know I think he had a chance to be pretty good. But it’s still a deal they have to make, both for this season and next.

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128 Responses to “Breaking news: Trade reconfigured”

  1. CM July 26th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Really? I guess the Bucs got tired of hearing about how they were fleeced and decided to upgrade.

  2. NongEyeJon July 26th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    This hurts a little more now…I think McCutchen would have been good. I don’t care about Karstens, but to me, this sounds like the Pirates heard the GM’s from other teams complaining that the deal was not significant enough from the Yanks’ side and demanded more.

  3. TKinDC (don't feed trolls!) July 26th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Any sense of why the change was made – or was there just misinformation about the original deal?

  4. Cody July 26th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Still a steal, period.

  5. Doreen July 26th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Could they play today?

  6. Johannes July 26th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Well that`s not great news. Coke or McCutchen, someone had to go. Would have preferred to send Coke.

  7. jonathan cl. July 26th, 2008 at 11:56 am

    eh

    coke/karstens and kontos/mccutchen are pretty interchangeable

  8. greg July 26th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    Losing Mccutcheon definitely hurts a bit and makes the trade not as sweet. I still think it is a good deal though. Giving up 3 AAA pitchers definitely hurts the upper level pitching depth and I wonder if it means Giese will be sent down to take a rotation spot in Scranton, which I hope is not the case(I want Hawkins DFA’d)

  9. Phil July 26th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    I like this trade a little better cause it gets two guys off the 40 man roster. It would be good if we could make a few more trades to clear some of the extraneous inventory off the 40.

  10. Fran July 26th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    If Nady and Marte are on their way to Boston hopefully they can be on the roster for today’s game.

  11. Josh July 26th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    yeah now theyll definitely send geise down.

  12. CB July 26th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    McCutchen is clearly an upgrade over Coke and Kontos. But remember, Karstens has less value than Kontos, perhaps even Coke as Coke has a shot to be a lefty specialist. Karstens is completely marginal.

    This deal also clears two roster spots off the 40 man roster. The yankees could not afford to keep karstens on the 40 man after this season – he wasn’t good enough and the player they might lose in the rule V draft was probably better than Karstens. He would have been DFA’d and they’d have gotten nothing for him.

    McCutchen came out of nowhere to be very good in the minors. He was a 13th round draft pick and is already 25. He’s not that young. Neither are Ohelndorf or Karstens.

    This was a very good trade either way. The yankees primary asset in the minors is not elite level pitching. There’s never enough of that. Their main strength is that they have a ton of guys who have a good shot to be back end starters and/ or middle relievers.

    These guys have value to other teams but won’t be good enough for the yankees’s rotation – not with how good the Rays and Sox rotation will be this year and over the next couple.

  13. Aaron(one more starter and #27!) July 26th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    still a good traded, maybe they’re is no room for mccutcheon next yr? maybe they’re gonna make a push at CC and let that other farm guy go. but you gotta remember, their’s a reason why their the GM’s and were not.. who knows if McCutcheon is ever gonna pan out.

  14. Bob(The Original) July 26th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Losing Mccutcheon definitely hurts a bit and makes the trade not as sweet. I still think it is a good deal though. Giving up 3 AAA pitchers definitely hurts the upper level pitching depth and I wonder if it means Giese will be sent down to take a rotation spot in Scranton, which I hope is not the case(I want Hawkins DFA’d)

    Do you have any idea how much pitching depth the Yanks have in the minors?

    This was still a great deal.

  15. islesfan July 26th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    It looks better for the Pirates because those guys have more experience than Kontos but they’re also older prospects. I’d much rather keep the just turned 23 year old Kontos who projects to have a higher upside than either Karstens or McCutchen.

    Either way, it’s still a slam dunk trade for the Yankees. It helps then a lot now and if they don’t retain Marte after this year or Nady next year, they’ll have the compensatory picks to replace what they lost. It’s win-win.

  16. JR Yankees July 26th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Definately McCutchen hurts a little more but Karstens is no big deal. I have heard a lot of good things about McCutchen including from people who frequent this website. The deal is done however so there is no reason to regret it.

    At least we can still have Kontos and the lefty Coke who can still sign a huge deal with Coca Cola and bring enormous sums of money to the franchise.

  17. John McCabe July 26th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Marte’s Road Spilts: 6.20ERA outside of that pitchers park in Pitt. this year.

  18. islesfan July 26th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    The Yankees still didn’t touch their top 10 pitching prospects. Maybe not even their top 15.

  19. JoeT 28 in 09!! July 26th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    phil – that might be the reason right there – the Yankees probably would’ve had to DFA someone (Hawkins?) and waive another to make room on the 40 man for Nady/Marte

  20. YankeeVIP July 26th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    adding mccutchen hurts alot more.

    i would have liked to keep ohlendorf then if we included mccutchen. ive heard he was good and could help this yr

  21. SJ44 July 26th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    CB,

    Exactly. The trade is an excellent trade for the Yankees.

    I know scouts who like Kontos better than McCutchen.

    Either way, Karstens had no future here.

    McCutchen? Where does he fit in NY in 2009? At that time, he will be 27.

    You have to give up something to get something.

    Bottom line, Nady and Marte are upgrades and the Yankees didn’t trade a single player that will impact their team for this year and next year.

  22. Aaron(one more starter and #27!) July 26th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    “Up until a few days ago, the Yankees wanted to include Kei Igawa and Melky Cabrera in the deal but the Mariner’s didn’t particularly appear interested in neither player.

    The Mariners asked about Austin Jackson, but were turned down, and now two other prospects have been thrown into the hat: Brett Gardner and Justin Christian.”

  23. Brandon (Cashman deals w/ a ski mask & a gun) (Johan HR count: *17) July 26th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    The Mariners asked about Austin Jackson, but were turned down, and now two other prospects have been thrown into the hat: Brett Gardner and Justin Christian.”

    Cashman should smack them w/ the phone for having the audacity to speak of Austin. The shouldn’t even say A in this deal.

  24. NongEyeJon July 26th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    In looking at Kontos’ stats, it looks like he’s been pretty good, but maybe hasn’t received run-support down in Trenton. Again, I guess the Yanks feel certain players like Ohlendorf and McCutchen are expendable now with the rise of Melancon, the return of Sanchez, the impending return of Brackman, and the fact that Hughes/Kennedy aren’t even pitching right now. With the rise of Veras and apparently E. Ramirez (although, he’s capable of imploding), I suppose McCutchen wasn’t that big a deal. I liked his upside though.

  25. UtilityMan July 26th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    Im just glad they didnt have to add Robertson to the deal.

    Still a very good trade for the Yanks!

    Karstens and Ohlendorf off the 40 Man
    Nady and Marte on.

  26. NongEyeJon July 26th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Yeah…I even forgot about David Robertson.

  27. Brandon (Cashman deals w/ a ski mask & a gun) (Johan HR count: *17) July 26th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    adding mccutchen hurts alot more.

    Not really he wasn’t going to be in the BP, he wasn’t going to start in the AL rotation, Coke has gained velocity and is a possible good Loogy in the making.

  28. YankeeJosh July 26th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Reposted from the last thread:

    This new deal definitely hurts more. In the long term, Karstens is no big loss, but he certainly could have helped this year if Rasner or Ponson falters and the Yanks needed another starter. Makes me think the Yanks aren’t done and will swing a deal for a starter.

    Adding Dan McCutchen in hurts more, for the long term. I think he was destined to be traded at some point, but thought his value could be used for something more, perhaps obtaining a better starter. Giving him up for Nady (who I’m not high on) and a reliever (Marte, who I love) just seems a bit much.

    SJ and CB are completely right about freeing up 40 man space though. That’s a big key that really isn’t obvious but is important.

  29. TKinDC (don't feed trolls!) July 26th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    “Do you have any idea how much pitching depth the Yanks have in the minors?”

    If you’ve paid any attention to CB’s posts, you would understand how bright this comment was.

  30. Tank July 26th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Nice.

    Kontos has a terrific arm— he is a classic “3rd player” in a deal that turns into a steal. He has a Joba-esque slider and could be a great SU man.

    McCutchen’s future is as a reliever on this team. With Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves, all ahead of him on the depth chart, and Wang coming back, he didn’t have a role here. And if we get a FA pitcher next year, he has even less value as a 27 yr old emergency pitcher.

    Doesn’t do anything to change the deal’s value IMO, infact, i think it makes it better. We traded the “safe” arm in McCutchen and kept the high upside arm in Kontos.

  31. just sayin... July 26th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    that’s it pete? just a note that the trade isnt what you said it was last night? no mention of whether this is any more finalized that it was last night when you posted it as a done deal with coke/kontos? no explaination of how you got it wrong?

    after all the crap about whether girardi or posada were misleading or lying about his injury , you get this story wrong and have no explanation about it?

    personally i have no problem with you getting the story wrong, just like i had no problem with po and joe g stringing people along in order to keep info out of enemy hands. but since you had such a problem with that episode, what is your explanation for this?

  32. UtilityMan July 26th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Brandon

    I hope we are watching AJAX for a long time patroling CF in the New Stadium.

    There was a discussion back in the winter,about who was better,Tabata or AJAX…..I loved him then…and will be for a long time!

  33. #9 July 26th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Bottom line: it’s still a good trade for Yankees. They patched up a couple of holes and addresses the RF situation for next year.

  34. Aaron(one more starter and #27!) July 26th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Brandon, sense ure the un official mayor of this blog, what u think about the trade? I like it.. i don’t know how you couldn’t.

  35. Jack July 26th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    ill miss danimal but marte is a beast not 2 mention a 330 hitting nady.

  36. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 26th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Still a great deal.

    It takes care of one of my biggest fears.

    Karstens starting an important game for us.

    McCutcheon only had a role on this team if Cashman didn’t get veteran pitchers for next season’s rotation, a mistake I doubt he was going to make again.

    Now just trade/DFA Hawkins. Not a player in that pen besides Hawkins deserves to be sent down right now. I really like what Giese is doing and he should stay here. Period.

  37. SP July 26th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    “Giving up 3 AAA pitchers definitely hurts the upper level pitching depth and I wonder if it means Giese will be sent down to take a rotation spot in Scranton”

    The Yankees will do what’s best for the big league team before worrying about Scranton.

  38. Bob(The Original) July 26th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Marte’s Road Spilts: 6.20ERA outside of that pitchers park in Pitt. this year.

    Take a few extra minutes and actually do the research.

    First, a relievers ERA is not how you judge them.

    He had 4 bad outings on the road. 2 at atlanta the first 2 games of the season. Then 1 at Wrigley, 1 at Coors. That’s why the ERA is up.

  39. Jeff NJ July 26th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    ok after reading the comments here I am off the ledge, I couldn’t believe when I heard a few minutes ago it was McCutchen in the deal. He seemed so close. But I agree Karstens is not a top prospect, although he could be a servicable number 5 starter/ long reliever. And two men off the 40, ok fine.

    Funny thing is on the fan the Met fans are lamenting that the Mets would have to give up better prospects to get that deal than the Yankees. Welcome to our world, circa Johan Santana in January.

  40. Brandon (Cashman deals w/ a ski mask & a gun) (Johan HR count: *17) July 26th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    UM I liked both but this is a business I do hope Ajax stays.

  41. NongEyeJon July 26th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Islesfan…im glad i found the one other willing to admit they are a fan of that team. I am rarely willing to admit my loyalty.

  42. NongEyeJon July 26th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Mets did not have the prospects…their minor league system is dismal. Leave it to Omar to do that.

  43. CB July 26th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    SJ,

    I like McCutchen and I know you also liked him. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he went on to have a nice career as a #4/#5 starter or as a middle reliever.

    But that’s what he was always going to do. There a real value to that – for other teams.

    The yankees have so many #4/#5/ middle relief types that they’ve exceeded the number of spots in the rotation at AA/AAA. They have to make trades like this – otherwise they are simply going to lose some of these players to the rule V or AAA draft.

    Its getting to the point where the yankees trade these guys or get nothing back for them.

    Part of what was good about this trade is that they gave up 3 of their older prospects. How much longer can you hold Ohlendorf and McCutchen in the minors until they’re like 27 and so old that no one wants them. That’s a bit of what happened Steve White – he has no value at all now. But 3 years ago they couldn’t afford to trade him because they had no pitching depth.

  44. Aaron(one more starter and #27!) July 26th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    i agree.

  45. Brandon (Cashman deals w/ a ski mask & a gun) (Johan HR count: *17) July 26th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Brandon, sense ure the un official mayor of this blog, what u think about the trade? I like it.. i don’t know how you couldn’t.

    Mayor = CB and SJ

    I’m not a mayor more like a deputy

    The deal got better Cutch’ is good but lets be honest

    Hughes or Cutch ? Robertson or Cutch ? Melancon or Cutch ? Kennedy or Cutch ?…They made a mockery of the trade deadline w/ this deal. I’d keep Coke over McCutchen because he’s a LHP who has gained velocity and control (I mean from 89 mph to sitting 93,94) I’d keep him over Cutch’ Kontos over Karstens… it has the making of a heist.

  46. Jeff July 26th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    even better trade!

    Kontos and Coke are greater than Karstens, who is awful nd McCutchen!

  47. JR Yankees July 26th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    I see, so Pittsburgh had a list to review and choose from. That’s surprising they didn’t choose McCutchen in the first place then…in AAA with solid numbers and could potentially be promoted to MLB this season instead of a AA pitcher.

    I think what happened was their front office consists of some Lohud readers and realized they needed to readjust their trade picks. Good job all for exposing the shortcomings in the deal.

    Seriously though, CB brings to light another view of the trade including the value of the open 40-man slots which in turn will help in protecting other much more desired minor leaguers in the rule V draft. The difference between McCutchen and Coke is not very significant at this time anyway.

  48. RT July 26th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    hmm, thanks Pete, for clarifying.

  49. Aaron(one more starter and #27!) July 26th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    i think its a good trade that can help us now. i think were one more decent starter away from a title.. i just wish wang and hughes were healthy! Wang Mussina Pettitte Joba Hughes!

  50. YankeeJosh July 26th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    The only player in this deal that had a real possible future with the Yankees seemed to be Tabata, so this really doesn’t change much.

    However, I wouldn’t be too quick to say any prospect has no future with the Yankees. When the Yanks traded Marte for Enrique Wilson, I’m sure they didn’t envision Marte becoming what he was. In the end, keeping the younger pitchers may be a better gamble because they have more time to improve. I guess I’m just saying to be careful saying Dan McCutchen would never start with the Yanks. He might not be as blocked out as it appears right now.

    Only time will tell on this deal, but there’s nothing dramatically different about the other deal, and is still one you probably have to make if your Cashman.

  51. yankee2123 July 26th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Finally the Yankees are dealing from strength. There was no spot for Karstens on the team, amd when he was here he was just ok. So I’m not sad to see him go. McCutchen had potential, and we’ve heard things about him, but there are so many other guys who are on the way up. If this were a few years ago it would hurt a little, but today…not really.

  52. just sayin... July 26th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    hey why all this karstens-bashing as he heads out the door? the guy came through for us when we really needed him to a couple years ago. i wish him well and hope he becomes an effective starter for the pirates.

  53. GreenBeret7 July 26th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Let me get this straight. Brandon is the “Barney Fife” of this blog?

  54. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 26th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    I really have to lay off Cashman now.

    He traded Karstens who I felt was Cashman’s personal pet project who he would shove down our throats at a moments notice and tell us he could the job while he couldn’t get out of the 3rd inning.

    Now shed Igawa and the circle will be complete!

  55. Aaron(one more starter and #27!) July 26th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Dodgers are close to getting casey blake

  56. JK July 26th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    92-95 mph 23 year old Kontos > 90-94 mph 25 year old Mccutchen

    90-94 mph left handed Coke > 88-91 mph Karstens

  57. YankeeVIP July 26th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    didnt realize mcutchen was so old. .if thats the case.. then its good.

    older AAA pitchers are pointless.

  58. 86w183 July 26th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    The best thing about the change in the trade is that Kontos turned 23 in June and the other three guys all turn 26 this year. So the Yanks get back the youngest guy, and they get back the only lefty starter not named Igawa in the two highest levels.

    Right now McCutchen is clearly the best of the group, but I wound’t be surprised if Kontos ends up being better… if he learns to keep the ball in the park (11 HR in 107 1/3).

    And we still have Kennedy, Horne, Betances, Melancon, Sanchez, Brackman, Aceves and Cox plus all the top arms on the big club.

  59. Yankeefanfoev13 July 26th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Im not sure if anyone would be mad with this deal.

    If anyone is mad its the Rays and the Red Soxs GM and organization knowing that yes we did give up Tabata but we didnt have to give up A Jax and better pitching.

  60. CB July 26th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Perhaps the biggest challenge Cashman has as a GM right now is how does he convert his excess backend starter/ middle reliever pitching capacity into valuable pieces.

    The whole league knows the yankees have a ton of guys who can pitch in the majors but won’t be stars – future Joe Blanton types. The league also can see the yankees have huge 40 man roster issues that are only getting worse.

    Guys like McCutchen tend not to have much value in trades unless they come up and have some brief bit of success in the majors – think Kason Gabbard last year for boston.

    But giving those kinds of prospects a look isn’t easy when you’re competing for a division.

    Drafting all of these pitchers is great – but if you lose them in the rule V draft or they just get too old wasting in the minors they haven’t been that valuable to your organization.

    Tabata was clearly the focus of the trade – but no way Tabata alone was going to get Marte and Nady. Without having 3 decent pitchers to include in the package Marte and Nady go elsewhere.

    This trade is something of a landmark because it starts to close the loop on the strategy Cashman implemented back in 2005. Draft pitchers – assess their value – and trade the surplus value.

    This is the first trade to do that – and it had to be done for a host of reasons.

  61. jonathan cl. July 26th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    I’m also happy we get to keep a guy named “Phil Coke”

  62. EY July 26th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Unlike quite a few commenters, I like Karstens – nice guy all around, but he really has no future with the Yankees and this move will help his career more. (similar thing can be said about Rasner when we add that extra arm / sign CC next year)

    Hate to lose McCutchen though, ugh. But considering that Hughes and Kennedy are way ahead of him and Hughes isn’t even pitching yet, I guess we still have tons of pitching depth.

  63. Eric July 26th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    I heard that Tabata was the #3 prospect in the Yankees system. Any idea who is above him? I know Jackson is one, but who is the other? Joba is obviously above prospect status now, and I would guess IPK and Hughes are too?

  64. Bob July 26th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    Yankees still have a surplus of Arms in the system and more on the way.

  65. David Brown July 26th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    I still think that this is a one sided trade, although McCutcheon is better of a prospect than Coke, so the Pirates got something for Nady and Narte. Keep in mind,we still have IPK, Brackman, Hughes, McAllister, Melancon, Cox, Sanchez and Pope, so it is NOT like we stripped the system bare. I am not big on Tabata. I really worry about guys who have attitude problems in places like New York. The fans, media, and expectations can chew people up (Throw in the fact he is injury prone). Does it mean he will not be successful in the majors…. Only time will tell? But one thing is for sure, it will be a lot easier playing for a team that is nothing more than filler sports in between Penguin hockey and Steelers training camp, than a team that is essentially World Series or bust EVERY YEAR.
    Does this trade make the Yankees the favorite? To make it to the Series? No, I think the Angels are, but the odds just went up dramatically.

  66. just sayin... July 26th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    jk, not to doubt your scouting sources, but i sat with the scouts and watched kontos pitch a good game a couple of weeeks ago in trenton. i watched the radar guns every pitch and he threw one FB at 91 (2 different types of guns) and never went over 89 the rest of the game. he threw strikes and was getting a good curveball over consistenly that night.
    but unless it was a real fluke, he doesnt throw mid-90′s

  67. 27 this year July 26th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    This frees up the Scranton roster allowing promotions. Before, the rotation was stocked up and McCuchoen due to the other guys like Hughes, Kennedy, hopefully Brackman, in a few years Betances, also Aceves had really nothing to offer the team. Our bullpen is stocked with Marte, Mo, Robertson, Veras, Edwar, Farnsworth and we have Melancon, Sanchez, Bruney, and Cox so we had no room for him and by trading we free up room plus Karstens is useless, we already have Rasner and Ponson. Great trade keeping Kontos and Coke and the only player that hurt was Tabata but really, the Pirates wanted to A-list prospects for Marte alone because he would be a Type A. So we get reap compension and absolutely take steal on the trade regardless of how well Tabata does unless he becomes like A-Rod or something.

  68. thr July 26th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    I was all prepared to rant about this trade and to be super negative. But I did not realize McCutcheon was older. It is true, you get to 25 and the question mark is much bigger. If you dominate at AAA, it means very little, and this is what obviously groups the Phil Cokes in with the Chase Wrights. Not that there is no possibility, but in a farm system you have to protect intelligently, and I think Cash is doing just that. It is a prospect too much, IMHO. I probably would have held on to Tabata just to see what happens, but I do remember Ruben Rivera well.

    This may not be a blockbuster but could be a VERY important trade, a la Graeme Lloyd in 96. (BTW, anyone remember we got an inured Pat Listach in that trade, and we received Ricky Bones as compensation? THE Ricky Bones who won, like his first 8 starts in 94 or 95?)

    It also reminds me of moves like the one made for Glenallen Hill in 2000. Not huge, but he did boost the lineup IIRC.

  69. Bronxbyte July 26th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    At no time was McCutchen considered being brought up this year. If his upside were that good, Cashman would never have tapped Rasner from AAA or taken a flyer on Ponson.
    Based on projections, McCutchen would have had a difficult time making next year’s staff or even being on the 40-man roster with the likes of Zach McAllister et al rising from lower levels.
    Even if McCutchen blossoms, it will be in the NL where he can do little damage to his former team.
    The bottom line is, a good deal was done for both parties. It’s what every GM wants.

  70. Brian M July 26th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Honestly I think this is good news. McCutchen was pretty good, but after moving to AAA he has been a little inconsistent. SImilar to Igawa he has a good game ruined by a terrible inning.

    But he wouldn’t have played a big role for us this year and next year he would be unlikely to take a spot in the rotation away from Hughes or Kennedy. With Aceves still in AAA and Horne about to return from the DL, and Rasner around, we will still have good cover for injuries.

    Coke meanwhile is about the only decent lefty in the system above single A. He won’t take a starting spot away from anyone either, but he has been terrific this year and could be important for us down the road. He could take Marte’s spot in the pen next yr if he is hurt or we don’t pick up his option. Check out this review of the Trenton team and see for yourself.
    http://thunderbaseball.wordpre.....port-card/

    Neither Kontos or Karstens figure to be very important to NY in the long run.

    Essentially they took two pitchers from our position of incredible depth, RHSP, and left us our only decent LHSP. I am glad.

  71. Master Shake July 26th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    I’m not happy that we had to give up Tabata but the fact that this trade ensures that we will never see Jeff Karstens on the mound again for the Yankees alone makes this a great move. Kudos to Cash.

  72. rconn23 July 26th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    McCutchen was always going to be nothing more than a No.4 starter. I wish him well. As terrible as Pittsburgh’s rotation is, he could be one of their anchors.

    Kontos has more upside than any of the pitchers that were discussed in the deals.

    This deal, again, is a no-brainer. It not only works for the team this year, but next year as well.

  73. Brian M July 26th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    I have to laugh at the SI coverage of the deal which described Tabata as a 5 tool player and probably the best athlete in the system. This despite his complete lack of power and his weight issues.

  74. Dennis July 26th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    why r some of you upset about losing mid level prospects we have guys like Brackman, Betances and Cole(when he signs) for starters with huge ceilings and Melancon, Cox, Sanchez for high ceiling relievers who cares if we lose guys who will never contribute to the team anyways.

  75. gianthinker July 26th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Now I dont like the deal. McCutchen is going to be good and Karstens is MLB ready. We had to make the trade but I liked it a lot more before I went to sleep.

  76. TKinDC (don't feed trolls!) July 26th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Thanks for the link Brian – that was good.

    Last night when I thought Coke was in the deal I wondered whether Bleich (just picked and signed out of Stanford) was the best lefty in the system.

    This has been a continuing weak point imo. So I am glad they kept him.

  77. Dennis July 26th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    gianthinker

    “Karstens is MLB ready” have you watched him pitched he is the definition of AAAA. He is beyond crap i would have thrown him in for free just to not see him in pinstripes ever again.

  78. Coach Jay23 July 26th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Great trade for Yanks we got 2 players alot of teams wanted and filled our needs. Nady can play both corner OF positions, also can play some 1st base this year or perhaps be there next year. Marte is someone we can bring in the 7th to face a lefty and keep him for an inning. Now we goes??? I think they may DFA Hawkins because Giese is the long-man on the roster and Gardner goes because yes we all know he can run but an .227 OPS is not making it, Christian is more ready for the bigs than Gardner.

  79. Bobby July 26th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    For losing McCutchen, Karstens, Oldendorf, and Tabata: We should have been given Bay.

    Both of the players to us were both not good enough. Sorry for urinating on the optimism.

    BAD TRADE . BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

  80. Coach Jay23 July 26th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Sorry i meant now WHO goes.

  81. Aaron(Gardner goes to Mariners!) July 26th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    bobby ur an idiot.. go outside and plant flowers

  82. MoBoy(aka McLovin) July 26th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    DEal was good.As long as Hughes,Jackson or Melchon wasn’t in the deal it was a no-brainer.Also we stll have some overrated prospects to give up.

    Wonder what we could get for Kennedy.

  83. Cheesyhoboe July 26th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Daniel McCutchen is never going to be a part of our major league club, Karstens and Ohlendorf are nothing special period. Tabata is the only one who I care about.

  84. CB July 26th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Anyway you slice it, Cashman made a good move. He traded excess for needed pieces at the major league level. None of the traded pieces would have had any impact at the major league level. His vision is coming to fruition.

  85. Coach Jay23 July 26th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Bobby not a bad trade at all, Say Yanks have 10 young pitching prospects in their system including Phil Hughes and IPK, now we know not all 10 are gonna pan out, So the Yanks prolly sat in Tampa and said lets pick are top 4 or 5 and not trade them. Karstens,McCutchen, and Ross were prolly on the lower end. Plus, Cashman had to do something because his contract is up guys, this trade could save his job if we make the playoffs you never know

  86. vinny-b July 26th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    appreciate the views/analysis, on the trade: points taken.

    I did value McCutchen over: Kennedy and Horne. Maybe even Sanchez. Yes. Horne and Sanchez have the excellent ceilings. However, it really did look like McCutchen would be a very solid #4, bulldog-type. Scouting is an inexact science. And had a feeling McCutchen would’ve either helped in the rotation or bullpen. I don’t buy, McCutchen wouldn’t have had a role, next year. Injuries/events, happen.

    either way, you have to make the trade.

  87. Brandon (Cashman deals w/ a ski mask & a gun) (Johan HR count: *17) July 26th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Bobby Saturday hangover ?

  88. Drive 4-5 July 26th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    I wonder if the Yanks have traded to the Pirates some of the prospects that would have been included in a Washburn deal. Coke and/or Kontos may still be traded in the next couple of days, only to Seattle. I’m sure a Washburn trade will require a lot more than Kei Igawa.

  89. Travis July 26th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    I don’t like the trade as much as yesterday, however, we can’t fall in love with prospects. Good deal by Cashman.

  90. Brian M July 26th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    Coke had a 0.95 ERA in 5 starts in July.

    Despite a brutal start to the yr (6.23ERA in April) he has an overall ERA of 2.58.

    Sounds like he had some issues to start the year off but has found his grove with 3 consecutive months of lights out pitching.
    May – 1.13ERA
    June – 2.45ERA
    July – 0.96ERA

    Since All Star break 7 innings pitched – 0 runs scored against. I’d say he is moving up the charts.

    In AA McCutchen had an ERA of 2.55

  91. CB (original CB) July 26th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    The CB post at 12:42 was not me. That was someone else posting with that handle.

  92. Master Shake July 26th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    I’m absolutely dumbfounded that people think the inclusion of Karstens makes this a bad trade. I don’t even know where to begin with that one. Karstens is awful. He has no business stepping foot on a mound in a Yankees uniform. Aceves and Kennedy are both better options to step in to the rotation this year should the need arise.

    McCutchen was a decent prospect but Kontos has more upside. Losing Tabata sucks (and the people dissing him are going to look foolish in about 5 years) but this deal definitely helps the Yankees in 2008. I absolutely love Marte’s arm. I’m really not that excited about Nady (look for him to regress to his league average norms any time now) but the bottom line is he does give us better productivity than we’re getting from Gardner.

  93. Brandon (Cashman deals w/ a ski mask & a gun) (Johan HR count: *17) July 26th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Wonder what we could get for Kennedy.

    :D

  94. John July 26th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Makes the deal even better. Opens 2 spots on the 40 man roster. Clears the log jam in the rotation in Scranton which was filled with older low ceiling types.

    Great deal even if they let Nady & Marte go in 3 months. Both are likely to be Type B (maybe even Type A) free agents at the end of the year. Those could turn into very valuable 1st and supplemental round draft picks.

  95. Drive 4-5 July 26th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    CB (original)

    How scary is THAT? Why people post under assumed names is beyond my comprehension.

  96. Brian M July 26th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Drive 4-5

    I doubt this will impact the Washburn deal much.

    With the Washburn deal the 2 main issues will be the money he is owed and whether Cash wants him taking up a spot in next yrs rotation.

    With Muss and Pettitte both making pretty good cases to be brought back, CC and Sheets available, and Hughes, Kennedy and Aceves all vying for spots, (Wang and Joba are locks), does Cash want Washburn in the mix?

    Washburn has some leverage with his no trade clause. He might insist on full no trade for next yr to wave it now.

    At any rate, finding a mid level guy to make up the numbers won’t be hard.

  97. NJ July 26th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    Dan McCutchen is going to be 26 years old in 2 months and has a 3.58 ERA in AAA. I don’t think it is that big of a loss.

  98. Coach Jay23 July 26th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    John Nady and Marte are both signed for next year we can not let them walk

  99. vinny-b July 26th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    “Perhaps the biggest challenge Cashman has as a GM right now is how does he convert his excess backend starter/ middle reliever pitching capacity into valuable pieces.

    The whole league knows the yankees have a ton of guys who can pitch in the majors but won’t be stars – future Joe Blanton types. The league also can see the yankees have huge 40 man roster issues that are only getting worse.

    Guys like McCutchen tend not to have much value in trades unless they come up and have some brief bit of success in the majors – think Kason Gabbard last year for boston.

    But giving those kinds of prospects a look isn’t easy when you’re competing for a division.

    Drafting all of these pitchers is great – but if you lose them in the rule V draft or they just get too old wasting in the minors they haven’t been that valuable to your organization.

    Tabata was clearly the focus of the trade – but no way Tabata alone was going to get Marte and Nady. Without having 3 decent pitchers to include in the package Marte and Nady go elsewhere.

    This trade is something of a landmark because it starts to close the loop on the strategy Cashman implemented back in 2005. Draft pitchers – assess their value – and trade the surplus value.

    This is the first trade to do that – and it had to be done for a host of reasons”

    CB: you definitely have it right. Strong insight.

  100. Rico July 26th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    I’m curious to know how the physical procedure works. In the case of Nady & Marte, were their physicals done here or wait until they they see team doctors traveling with the team ?
    Let’s hope they’re done in time for them to go over signals etc. and be available for today’s game.

  101. blackaccord July 26th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    interesting to see how kontos and coke were viewed in as fillers when the initial news came out and suddenly they are being talked as if they are really good.. still doesnt explain why coke was pulled out of his start yesterday.. may be cash had given pittsburgh a list of A players and B players to chose from and based on overall response, pittsburgh wanted a change in the deal.. I still think its a good deal.. Except Karstens i dont see anyone being a contributor in the next 2-3 seasons..

  102. Brian July 26th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Karstens is a #5 starter at best with little upside.

    Tebata and McCutchen were very good prospects.

    To me this trade is iffy because I think Marte is being very much overvalued by the Yankees. 4.5 walks/9 ip for his career. Not really that dominant against lefties this year (.255 baa). I would be surprised if Marte proves to be as good a pitcher that Jose Veras is becoming.

    Nady will help, but is he an elete player? no. He is “slightly” better than a Melky type, but happens to be having a career year.

  103. Chris July 26th, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    The Yankees need to go on the premise that Wang and Hughes will not be back this year. Any contribution either makes is a bonus.
    This is where possibly Washburn figures in and also Aceves in the event that Rasner and Ponson go south.

  104. Cajun Yankee July 26th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Couldn’t we have thrown in Pavano just for fun. ;)

  105. trisha - still supporting Farnsy like crazy! July 26th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    I can’t see how this trade is anything but good for the Yankees. I also think that if Pittsburgh got value in the trade it is actually a good and ethical thing.

    With Marte and Nady we have upgraded an already very good team. Nothing wrong with that.

  106. BBFan July 26th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Hi Pete,

    You have not posted the Journal News articles entry today :(

  107. Tom K July 26th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    TKinDC (don’t feed trolls!)
    July 26th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
    “Thanks for the link Brian – that was good.

    Last night when I thought Coke was in the deal I wondered whether Bleich (just picked and signed out of Stanford) was the best lefty in the system.

    This has been a continuing weak point imo. So I am glad they kept him.”
    ————————————————-
    They still have Chase Wright, who is still a good prospect despite his Fenway horrors.

    Further down the system, they have some very intriguing left-handed starters:
    -Wilkins De La Rosa is currently in Charleston. He was converted from an outfielder into a pitcher last season, and just recently joined the rotation after starting the year in the bullpen. Although he is still a work in progress, his changeup has become a very good pitch for him, and his slider has been progressing very nicely to compliment his 91-94 fastball. He’s a minor league free agent after 2008, but the Yankees intend to resign him.
    -The biggest name that many haven’t heard about is Manuel Banuelos, a lefty signed out of Mexico at the same time they signed Aceves. Banuelos, who is currently in the GCL, throws a 89-91 fastball with a very sharp curveball and developing changeup. Oh, and he’s only 17 years old with scouts already talking about him perhaps being too good for rookie league competition.

    They have others as well; Michael Dunn was very good in Charleston last year, but has been more inconsistent in Tampa this year. He may eventually find himself in a relief role as time passes by, but for now he is still a starter.

  108. tterba July 26th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    What everyone fails to realize is that the core of this team is old… Do you want to win now or in 7 years ? thats the question you have to ask yourself… this is trade is great

  109. edgar July 26th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    as i understand, the pirates are one of the worst teams at taking revenue-sharing money and sticking it in their pockets, rather than using it to improve their team. they freeload off the steinbrenners, but at least they’re giving the yankees a discount on their players.

  110. Brian M July 26th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Thanks Tom K

    This yrs draft could yield some great lefty prospects but a few are real signability cases. Our 36th round pick Chris Dwyer could be the best player we picked not named Gerrit Cole.
    Really tough sign though. Still keeping my fingers crossed.

    Still they will need time to move through the system. De la Rosa is new to pitching and only Wright and Coke are above single A. I amn’t completely writing off Wright but I think he’ll have a tough time breaking into the NY team. I’d say Coke is the only lefty prospect we have with a realistic shot at making a meaningful contribution next yr. (I don’t count Traber as a prospect) and Kroenke is decent but sits well behind Coke.

  111. EN July 26th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Cashman finally woke up and made a good deal!
    Nady is an underated player and is a big improvement
    batting-wise over Gardner! Marte adds to a much improved
    Bullpen! Joba is doing greta as a starter!
    Right now it’s Good to Be a Yankee Fan!

  112. G@y Brandon (Cashman just saved his job)(Hughes/Kennedy combined record 0-7) July 26th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Good thing Cashman made this deal, def good deal!
    After becoming a joke for passing up Johan for Hughes and Kennedy, this redeems him

    -GB

  113. 86w183 July 26th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Yes, Nady is having a career year, but the previous three seasons playing about 2/3 of the time his average is .280 with 17 HR and 59 RBI. That’s pretty good and very consistent.

    I think it’s a good sign that his “career year” coincides with his getting the most consistent playing time of his career, on pace for more than 500 offical AB for the first time. You might sit him against particularly nasty RHP, but the man is a good ball player.

    I didn’t mention Chase Wright as a top lefty… I guess I shoulda… he and Coke are similar guys and both will be 26 when camp opens in February… Coke is about six months older.

  114. tedbrogen July 26th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Great move. McCutchen wouldn’t have a spot in the rotation next year anyways with Wang, Joba, CC (who they will be signing whether we like it or not), Hughes, Kennedy, and Acevas all battling for spots. Also, I assume they might bring back one of Pettitte or Moose if one of them will take a one year deal with a club option for the second year.

    Tabata was highly touted at one time, but has those attitude problems, injury concerns, and hasn’t exactly been developing all of those 5 tools we heard about.

    Karstens showed last year he can’t be trusted and was just wasting space on the 40 man.

    Ohlendorf didn’t really impress me this season. Pitched well for a bit, then absolutely imploded when he work level started to rise.

    The Yanks filled four huge needs with this trade: LF for the rest of this season (because Matsui is out for the year, Damon is always one play away from being done for the year, and Gardner has been awful offensively), RF for next season (Abreu is gone and they will use Matsui/Damon in LF again), righty bat they desperately needed (Nady is OPSing in the .900s this season), and lefty reliever they have needed since about 2001.

  115. bigjf July 26th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Still not a trade that will obliterate the farm system. Good job by Cashman. McCutchen sounded like he could be pretty good, but who knows. He’s 26 and his numbers in AAA don’t quite blow you away the way AA did. He should be decent, but I don’t see him as a top of the rotation kind of guy. In any case, that’s the price of going for it, and in this case it’s not a heavy one (though I still think Tabata will put it together and be very good). Marte will probably be a Type A if the Yanks don’t resign him. If Nady plays like this next year, he will be a Type A as well. Letting Abreu go frees up some money and my guess is he would be at least a Type B.

  116. RhapsodyInBlue July 26th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    The good news continues.

    NY Yankees take Igawa off 40-man roster
    by Ed Price/The Star-Ledger
    Saturday July 26, 2008, 1:06 PM

    Duane Burleson/Associated Press
    Yankees pitcher Kei Igawa waits to get the hook against the Detroit Tigers in Detroit in May. The Yankees outrighted the pitcher to the minors Saturday after he got no bites on waivers.The Yankees announced they have outrighted Kei Igawa to the minors. It means every team passed on him on waivers and the Yankees still have to pay him (his five-year, $20 million deal runs through 2011).
    Igawa has made two appearances for the Yankees this season and sports an 0-1 record with a 13.50 ERA. He started and took the loss after allowing all six runs in three innings in a 6-5 defeat against Detroit May 9, and pitched a scoreless inning of relief, while allowing two hits, in a 9-0 Yankees win over the Mets at Shea June 27.

    For his career, in 16 appearances (13 starts) he has a 2-4 record with a 6.66 ERA, having allowed 89 hits, 15 HRs and 37 walks over 71 2/3 innings.

  117. Patrick Bateman July 26th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    There is a God.

    Thank you for taking Karstens off our hands!

  118. jake July 26th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    This is actually more good news.
    I like McCutcheon and think he will be a big league pitcher. In fact, I’m happy for him because he’s likely to get his shot sooner–this year?–with the Pirates than he ever would have with the Yankees. But, like George Kontos, he is not one of the organization’s top prospects and his loss is not painful.
    As for Karstens, he had no future with the Yankees. Even though he has pitched pretty well this season in AAA and has had a little bit of ML experience, he wasn’t on the radar. I was never a fan, just because I believe that “soft tossing” righties (guys with fastballs that are barely 90mph) don’t do well in the American League. They’re good for an occasional start, or once-around-the-order, then they’re meat. Again, no pain.
    Phil Coke is not great prospect, by any means, but he’s been pitching very well. His problem in the recent past has been getting out LH batters and commanding his breaking pitches. Recently, he’s looked good on both counts AND has added a couple of ticks to his fastball. At 26 in AA, he’s not special. But a number of scouts think he can be a good ML reliever. He could be part of the Yanks’ bullpen in 2009. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get his “cup of coffee” this September.
    As for Kontos, he’s probably a better prospect, overall, than Karstens. He’s not ready for the big leagues, yet, but he’s got a decent shot as a back-end guy. He’s got a +fastball and has good strikeout potential.
    Bottom line: this revised deal is better for the Yankees!!!!!!!!

  119. 89 July 26th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Could be worse… the Dodgers just gave up Jonathan Meloan for Casey Blake.

  120. PittsburghYankeeFan July 26th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    The old adage is “when a trade hurts both teams, it benefits both teams, and it is a good trade.” This now fits the bill.

    Karstens, Ohlendorf, and McCutchen could all start for the Bucs this year, allowing them to send down guys like Ian Snell (who stated in the Post Gazette last week–”why am I up here?”)

    Tabata is high risk, high reward–and he’ll have a better chance in the NL Central than in the AL East.

    To those guys commenting about how the Pirates are filler between the Steelers (better call then Stillers, yunz) and the Pens (who are kick ass and will contend for the Stanley Cup this year): you are only partially right.

    Once this team gets out from under 10 years of a crappy GM (Littlefield) and a crappy owner (Mc Clatchey) they will get better. They can’t do it overnight.

    This trade helps them immediately and immensely.

    It also helps the Yanks, who get Nady in a career year, and Marte, who can set up in the AL East tonight if they need him.

    Great for both sides, the kind of thing you like to see. Reminds me of the Matt Garza to the Rays deal, that had people scratching their heads in March but looks pretty good now, for both clubs.

  121. Master Shake July 26th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Gardner was sent down and Hawkins was DFA’d to make room for Nady and Marte.

  122. neto July 26th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    the good news continues… the yankees have adquired j. washburn

  123. BigV July 26th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    NEW DEAL IS HORRIBLE

    McCutcheon is a 3 starter and Karstens has proven when healthy he can pitch AND IN YANKEE STADIUM……..

    All I can say is they better make use of the draft picks from Marte cause he is losing it against lefties…

    THis is an old Steinbrenner trade – this is nauseaing

    WE GOT FLEECED…….

  124. David Brown July 26th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    I cannot believe how ANY Yankee fan can be upset when Moe, Larry, and Curly (Also known as Igawa, Karstens, and Hawkins) are GONE from the Yankee 40 man roster (The only thing better, would be World Weries title # 27, and knowing that PAVANO will be joining them in bye bye land this October). As for the comment about the Pirates being filler programming, that is exactly what they are. I am a HUGE STEELER FAN, and trust me, the the Steelers RULE the city, and because of elite players starting with Lemieux and Jagr, and continuing with Crosby and Malkin, the Pens are right up there. The Bucs have not had a Hall Of Fame type player since Barry Bonds left town, and there is more interest in Friday Night HS football than Buc baseball.

  125. Joey Ramone July 26th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    McCutchen is a good pitcher. I’m happy, however, that they were able to keep Kontos

  126. Master Shake July 26th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Big V, please tell me you are joking. The only thing Karstens has proven is that he is marginally better than a teeball stand.

  127. Jake July 26th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Overall i think its a pretty even trade. Marte is good, but this isnt pittsburg. watch out for nady, with the guys he’s got around him now his production should go way up

  128. Pittsburgher July 27th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Been reading these boards to learn more about these pitchers the Pirates got.

    This was rally a win-win trade for Yankees and Pirates.

    The Pirates lost nothing. Nady is turning 30, has never played more than 130 games a year due to injuries, averages .280 / 20 HR / 70 RBI with zero speed, and was going to walk after this year, and the Pirates have depth coming up at the corner outfield spots.

    Nady is positively stroking the ball this year but he’s overperforming way over his head and likely will come to earth it’s just a matter of when (2H 2008 or 2009); stars don’t emerge at age 29 and I can’t picture Xavier Nady batting .330 on the year.

    He fills a huge need for the Yankees this year but it’s a half-year plug: after this year they should either let him go or he will be platooning / often injured again and get his 20 HRs. He is a good player but really just average offensive stats for an outfielder and very fragile; if the Yankees go into 2009 with him penciled in as a starting outfielder it is a mistake.

    Marte is amazing and very underappreciated and of great value to a contender. Of no use to the Bucs when the starter is only going 3-4 innings every night.

    The Pirates have absolutely no starting rotation, which is killing them because they have one of the best offenses in the NL: second most runs scored in the NL, and more runs scored than the Yankees (!).

    They need several pitchers like the ones they got — who will never start on the Yankees with their pitching pipeline, so no great loss to the Yankees — to patch the unbelievably poor pitching pipeline left by the previous administration.

    If even one of these pitchers produces as good as a #2 starter, or if Tabata meets his potential, it will have worked out very well indeed for the Pirates, time will tell.

    Anyone who thinks The Yankees “smoked” the Pirates does not know Xavier Nady well enough. He is having a fantastic year and that should help the Yankees in the chase. But the Pirates know him better and know he is way, way over the top this year and the Bucs were very opportunistic in dealing him at his peak value.

    You have been warned about the “X Man!”

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