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Everybody and their brother is reporting that the Yankees are close to a deal with Seattle for Jarrod Washburn.
It would seem to make sense. Washburn is in Toronto at the moment and is scheduled to pitch tomorrow against the Blue Jays. Put him on a plane and send him out against the Red Sox tomorrow night.
But Brian Cashman said just now that no deal is imminent. “You can sleep easy tonight,” he said.
So there you have it.
Cashman should certainly sleep easy. His team has won eight straight and 13 of 16. Yankee pitchers have an ERA of 1.56 since the break while the Yankees have outscored their opposition 49-15.
Thanks for reading today. We’ll be back at it tomorrow.
(Oh, Johnny Damon and A-Rod say they’re fine.)
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Pete notice how Alex didn’t cry to the media like Youk? He took his hbp near the HEAD like a man.
And I’m proud to be a Yankee fan. Cashman better sleep well tonight. Not usual to have nights like this.
Well I will def. sleep good tonight
Good pitching and timely hitting…Its a good time to be a Yankee fan =]
Pete –
This is obviously a typical fan reaction on my part – but your treatment of Cashman is fair imo. Just try to be as understanding when Girardi treats you the same way.
I totally understand the awkward position a lying club official puts you in (regardless of whether it is a GM or manager or FO guy) but Girardi deserves some sophomore year allowances.
more importantly – GREAT BLOG TODAY!
Thanks for the Cashman audio – it made the confusion about the trade easier to get.
If we get Washburn I would keep Ponson in the lineup over Rasner.
What happened to Johnny?
†Nobody got hurt and that’s that. “….OK, so it does not hurt to get hit with a pitched ball ? That is insane ! Youk got his pride hurt, when a ball sailed up and in on him and hit his bat for a strike….THAT did not hurt. A-Rod took a fast ball off his arm. If you think THAT didn’t hurt, you need to layoff the sauce. It is only over because it is the Yankees. Yankee pitchers are suspended regularly over someone’s PERCEPTION that the ball was intentionally thrown at a batter BUT DID NOT FIND ITS TARGET. Yankees are then ACTUALLY HIT and the same INTENT is INFERRED…but again, and follow me here, if you can…THE YANKEE is acually HIT with the ball and sometimes injured and taken and THAT IS an EVEN thing ? Baloney !
Ponson has pitched better than Rasner. Eventually Rasner can either be used a a long man, or dealt.
“What happened to Johnny?”
Cramped up running to first base before being taken out.
Just a cramp per Rosenthal of Fox. (phew!)
Good thing that Damon and A-Rod are saying they’re fine… at least it’s not Girardi saying that. haha
Where the heck were these guys in the beginning of the season?
no jarrod washburn pls
Cash also said that no deal was being made with X and the Dam-inator.
Montero with his 10th HR… 2 run shot
Tough game tomorrow oh well we won 2 already its no lose tomorrow
Here’s a quiz –
Two mainstream media sources witnessed the same event.
Below are two game blog quotes – one from each team. WHICH IS WHICH?
#1
“The 98 mile per hour fastball (1-0 count) came mighty close to hitting Rodriguez’s head, but he put his hands up to block it, and it hit his left hand. Rodriguez stumbled a few feet away into the infield on the third base side, where manager Joe Girardi and the trainer came out to check him.”
#2
“That was pretty obvious in its intent. But the Yankees had something coming their way after Joba threw at Youkilis last night. Now it’s over unless the Yankees decide to continue it.
I’ll say this for Hansen, at least he threw at A-Rod’s body and not his head.”
Cue the Jeopardy theme . . .
if washburn does not pitch tomorrow you no hes coming to the yankees
yankee2123
July 26th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Ponson has pitched better than Rasner. Eventually Rasner can either be used a a long man, or dealt.
Uhhh, no.
Rasner has a better WHIP and a better .BAA. He hasn’t been very good at all, but WHIP and .BAA are probably the best indicators of effectiveness in otherwise mediocre pitchers, and Ponson’s WHIP and .BAA are BAD. Ponson has been terrible. The fact that the Yanks have won games in which Ponson has pitched is a nice coincidence, but it’s only a coincidence.
Rasner seemed to do OK in a long-relief role. That’s where he might be better off. Ponson might be better off sitting behind the desk at a nightclub in curacao, getting drunk.
Washburn would be a better alternative than either of them.
It’s much, much easier to deal with a loss tomorrow knowing that we have already won the series.
“one from each team.”
DELETE THAT!
“one from each city”
(pete should nail me on that distinction
)
Mel from earlier thread HOF induction ceremonies will be on ESPN CLASSIC tomorrow at 130PM. I understand that Cashman and Stein’s daughter are going to represent the Yankees.
Did anyone notice the shirt Alex was wearing you really cant make it up it was a designer t shirt obviously that was saint and sinner right next to each other.
Another great win today tomorrow is gravy as far awsI am concerned.
tb has no offense everygame is low scoring
“but he put his hands up to block it, and it hit his left hand.”
Either John Sterling said this or someone has worse eyesight than he does and I didn’t think that was possible.
TK
Both sound like they came from Boston writers to me.
Weekends like this make it fun to be a Yankee fan in the belly of the beast (Hopkinton, MA)…
Thanks for the game blog Pete!
Good news in Tampa Bay game. Lots of rain is ready to come, game is delayed, and Kazmir was cruising along. Hopefully it will last long enough to knock him out.
Rasner, Ponson, Washburn. Whatever they’re all #4/#5 material.
Washburn would be good insurance for rounding out the rotation next year if CC doesn’t sign, if Pettitte and Moose don’t come back, and if Hughes/IPK are not ready.
But don’t make the deal if it doesn’t make sense.
Personally, I like Ponson. Cheering for the underdog kind of thing. If they can harness his stuff, it’ll be great.
But all I know, is after today’s win I want the sweep tomorrow.
BTW. Rain delay w/ Kazmir at about 68 pitches, middle of the 5th. Aw shucks.
Only in bosox-ville is it obvious that Joba was throwing at the punk and that Hansen was throwing at the body (yeah, body right below the head and Hansen is not known for his pinpoint control). Of course, that is Pete’s home town.
Great picture of where the ball hit Alex.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....e_run.html
Cashman has to say what he’s saying. 1) He doesn’t want to admit that players are traded until the deal is absolutely finalized. It makes both organizations look bad if the trade falls through and they are stuck with those players. 2) You never know if public commentary might make a team balk at a deal.
This is being reported a few different ways. But if the Pirates had full choice of the 3rd and 4th players after the physicals of Ohlendorf and Tabata, it’s possible that they originally did have Coke and Kontos in the deal, but then balked because of media reporting and switched it. Cashman should want to keep that from happening, has to stay quiet/lie.
pat – you win the prize!
I’m sure that Nick in SF will send along a Moose bar for your culinary pleasure!
For those of you without a decoder ring – the boston.com writer wrote #1 including the phrase “close to hitting Rodriguez’s head”.
Our beloved blogfather wrote #2 with the phrase “at least he threw at A-Rod’s body and not his head”
This is why juries should never rely on eye-witness testimony and the emphasis on objectivity sometimes backfires (imho)
gayle,
Thanks.
Rebecca,
I’m very disappointed in you, anticipating a loss. You’re not worthy of the Optimist Queen title. We were supposed to lose the first 2 games and look what happened!
Cash says nothing “is imminent” – similar to what he said the other night, per Pete, along with the caveat “but that can change with a phone call”.
Don’t rule out a different starting pitcher other than Sir Sidney tomorrow night – and it might not even be Washburn!
Bob Lobel
“About a week ago, the former WBZ-TV sports director said Manny was fined $500,000 for the Jack McCormick incident and decided to retaliate against the front office by allowing himself to be struck out by Mariano Rivera on July 6.”
Seriously, I’m thinking sweep! I’ll be disappointed if we walk out tomorrow with a loss.
Buzz,
That figure was grossly exagerrated. The actual figure was said to be $15,000.
Manny will probably finish the season in Boston (hopefully sitting out as he did in ‘06). Tito and Manny seemed to have kissed and made up, but maybe the FO has had enough already.
“Bob Lobel
“About a week ago, the former WBZ-TV sports director said Manny was fined $500,000 for the Jack McCormick incident and decided to retaliate against the front office by allowing himself to be struck out by Mariano Rivera on July 6.—
That figure is a total fabrication.
ray (sox fan) thought it was $10K.
If you think a player (and his agent SCOTT BORAS) and the strongest union in the history of mankind will stand by for a $500K fine you are smoking dope.
Hey what else is new Youkilis cries like a panzy abut getting a foul ball off the bat and Rodriguez actually gets plunked. It’s not over, how about someone drills Ortiz on his bad wrist and sends him to the hospital then we’ll start getting somewhere in the even column.
Good news from FL– Zach McAllister threw a 7 inning shutout tonight, allowing 3 hits, king 4 and walking none. ERA in low 2’s. And yeah, this is one of the kids NOT included in the deal. Good going Cash.
mel; When did I say something about losing the first two games?
I’ve said it’s realistic to expect us to go 2-1, but there’s no harm in hoping for the sweep!
Honestly, I thought last night’s game would be the most toss-up-ish, and at 1-0, it certainly wasn’t a runaway win!
That said, this has been one of my favorite weeks ever to be a Yankee fan.
Manny has taken “Manny been Manny” to the extreme. It might have played today but he def. sticked it to the FO and showed that Big Papi can’t carry the team by himself.
How nice would it be to win tomorrow?
But, Lester will be tough..and Sir Sidney(he is still pitching right?) well..we will see about Sir Sidney…
Great post-All Star Game baseball all around. I have never been prouder of this team this year than right now.
Everybody is contributing…everybody has a role and great pitching, followed by great defense, followed by great offense is what we have all desired.
It is all coming together at this point and we should all be grateful that for the first time in a while this team has shown signs of life, a desire to win, and a common goal in mind.
Keep up the great work everybody. Pete, thanks for the prompt updates and info.
I’m not surprised A-Rod didn’t go crying to the umps (unlike some, he’s no snitch) or the media (unlike some, he’s no punk). He’s the better ballplayer and the better man, by a lot. I only wish I could kick Youkilis out of the Jewish religion and bring A-Rod in instead!
Anyway, rain delay in KC. Hopefully over an hour long so they can’t send Kazmir back out.
Rebecca,
I meant that we were supposed to lose the first two games, but what do you know? We won.
So I just was teasing you about tomorrow, because everyone’s expecting a loss. Even though we won the first 2.
How wild would that be, winning 9 right out of the gate?
“That said, this has been one of my favorite weeks ever to be a Yankee fan.”
It has been an amazing week hasn’t it?
The way I look at it, Yanks actually won twice today. First they beat the umpires, then they beat the Sox! The fact that they’re showing fight like that makes it all the more gratifying, too. Remember not a month ago, when they looked like all it took was one punch to knock them out?
If we can pull out a win tomorrow, it would really be the bright red cherry atop the ice cream sundae. I’m not gonna lie, Sid does make me nervous and I think his luck will run out…but it doesn’t have to happen tomorrow, does it? Or we can always rally against the bullpen like we did last time Sir Sid faced Lester at Fenway. Great memories of that game!
Randy, why do you insult Pete on his own blog? That’s like someone inviting you into his living room, but when he says something you disagree with, you trash the place.
If Pete is so awful, why come here?
Whats up guys I here I missed another big day here for the Yanks. I am happy that Brett got sent down so he can play every day.
Went to the Phillies game today, and I recomend anyone going down there. The park was awesome. Very fan friendly. Its awesome going down and being that close to the bullpen. Also went to Geno’s before for a cheesesteak. Defintely a great place to watch a game.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....o-yan.html
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Washburn To Yankees Close To Done-Deal
By Cork Gaines [July 26, 2008 at 6:19pm CST]
[Update: 6:15pm] Ken Rosenthal just reported during the Fox telecast that the deal is now being held up by the Mariners demand for a top prospect in addition to the Yankees taking the remainder of Washburn’s contract.
Joe Mama = you are 100% right !!!
http://www.700wlw.com/cc-commo.....le=4009866
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” The Yankees had been rumored to be looking at Arroyo, but they traded for starter Jarrod Washburn on Saturday. ”
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Washburn ALREADY traded to Yankees ? This site says yes !
I don’t see a bias, Steve, so I don’t think it’s obvious.
“Also went to Geno’s before for a cheesesteak.”
I hope you spoke English when ordering!
But yeah, CBP is a great ballpark.
mel: I won’t say anything about that because I’m really superstitious. I will say that the Yankees could not have hoped for a better eight games.
Longest win streak since I started blogging.
Vito: No WAY Seattle should get a top prospect for Washburn.
No way.
Rebecca, I agree…but if it does go down that way….looking at OVERALL what we gave up to get these 3 guys, you HAVE to be pleased…
Mitch – ok, then they’re just questioning his logic in deeming it intentional. Nothing wrong with that, right? Personally, with all due respect to Pete, I question it myself, and am still waiting for any Youkilis apologist to supply a logical answer as to why Joba would give a batter a free pass in a 1-run game/2-0 count.
“I don’t see a bias, Steve, so I don’t think it’s obvious.”
Uh, Pete clearly is bias. Being that a former professional baseball player who WORKS for the Red Sox said he truly didn’t believe Joba’s pitching being near Youkilis was intentional, Pete is in no position to say it was, and if he does, he deserves the criticism he gets. Being that the Red Sox players wouldn’t even say they thought it was intentional, it’s sort of silly for a reporter to be 100% sure it was.
“cashman has surprised the hell out of me and made a great trade.”
randy randy randy –
He made practically the same deal last year for Abreu and Lidle.
Your innings eating has slowed down your brain power!
Mitch
This is a direct quote from Pete about today’s game
“That was pretty obvious in its intent. But the Yankees had something coming their way after Joba threw at Youkilis last night. Now it’s over unless the Yankees decide to continue it.”
Anyone who says the Yankees had something coming to them from throwing a pitch inside that didnt even hit a batter is showing an obvious bias. And acting as if we would be the agressors for “continuing it” when we would just be responding in kind and actually hitting a batter as opposed to not hitting a batter is another obvious sign of bias.
“Randy, why do you insult Pete on his own blog”
first of all , i take it as an insult when he says he’s not a cheerleader but cheerleads a pet boston theory that he can’t prove that joba throws on purpose at youkilli’s head.
he’s a journalist and not a mind reader.
i have no trouble with him saying that joba may be throwing at youkillis.
i do have trouble with him saying he knows joba is throwing at youkillis.
second, he has said repeatedly he works for a newspaper who owns this blog.
so as someone taking part in this blog that peter doesn’t own , i’ll give my opinion freely.
it’s a yankee blog.
i’m a yankee fan.
see the connection.
BBB –
Fair to assume that the Yankees aren’t going to hold a ‘team meeting’ to discuss A-Rod getting plunked!
why?
Because they are not media-addled drama queens!
(and why would a team on an 8 game winning streak need to meet) w00t!
delgado another HR wow he must be on something
It can be sensed that the Yankee swagger is back.
Folks I’m not normally in the scolding business on this or any other site, but I feel I must here. It is time to stop the Ponson/drinking references.
The guy has had some issues, but from everything everyone has said he has made adjustments and improvements along the way and he’s been a model citizen as a Yankee. He’s trying to rebuild his career and reputation and to have an allegedly pro-Yankee site making snotty and classless booze reference with no recent basis does not help.
Perhaps some of you have never dealt with anyone who has dealt with or overcome an addiction, but nothing makes it tougher than constant reminders about past mistakes.
Give Big Syd a break… after all, he’s ours!
villione stinks
I have no problem with people questioning if Pete’s assessment of the Youklis/A-Rod thing is fair or not.
I don’t think it’s cool to insult Pete, though.
And Randy, your ownership argument is really short-sighted. Whether Pete owns the blog or not, he works his butt off to provide info here, often providing news on things that are hard to find elsewhere.
So, you can do all the title searches you want. I’ll stand by the idea that if the guy works his butt off to give us a place to get info and exchange ideas, he desserves some respect (and at the least not to be attacked and insulted).
And, even if you disagree with him on the Youklis/A-Rod thing, that’s one issue in a long season. I read the blog every day, and I don’t think Pete is biased at all.
“He made practically the same deal last year for Abreu and Lidle.
Your innings eating has slowed down your brain power! ”
tk in dc-
lol
wasn’t that 2006?
Villone…
tsk tsk
I think Ross Ohlendorf single handedly rejuvenated Carlos Delgado
Sending Gardner down was one of the best moves of the last 3 days. The Yanks may end up trading him and keeping him in the majors was only diminishing his value at this time
The Abreu-Lidle deal was 2006. And it was very different. That was a straight salary dump by the Phils. They didn’t get anything of value back in return (one of the guys is back in the Yanks system, C.J. Henry).
In this deal, the Yanks had to give up players with some value (Ohlendorf and McCutcheon) and a top prospect (Tabata) (not sure why the Bucs wanted Karstens, but maybe he’s better than we as Yankee fans think/know, based on what we’ve seen).
Both great deals, but this one was more legit.
“tk in dc-
lol
wasn’t that 2006?”
Sorry – when you’re traveling along on this rickety bandwagon, news gets to you a little bit more slowly.
But I can’t complain about the spread!
Mitch – +1 buddy.. Pete keeps us more informed then anyone else out there. I mean we could be reading the ussmariner who has mentioned 3 separate trades the Yankees have made today for Washburn with not one of them being true. Pete gets the news, he reports the news, and if he gets bad information he passes it along as soon as he knows it’s bad info.
pat that looks mighty close to his head don’t ya think?
“Both great deals, but this one was more legit.”
You are essentially right – but to be more specific – one was more of a pure salary dump than an exchange of talent.
Legits got nothin to do with it (to paraphrase Dirty Harry)
Time will tell whether or not Tabata’s trade will bite us – I feel pretty good about it right now though.
TKinDC,
You’re correct. But I think you took my calling the deal “legit” wrong.
By legit, I just meant two teams exchanging players of value. Sure, the Bucs wanted to lower the payroll (why pay Nady when you have a guy in AAA, McCutcheon, who is just about ready to step in, and Nady was already the third best outfielder on the team). Nady is three years younger than Abreu was when the Yanks got him.
mitch-
we have a different opinion of how an open blog works.
i think peter is crossing a line with comments that he can’t prove.
i also think he was on thin ice with the “girardi lies” silliness.
you seem to not question authority.
i tend to challenge or question it.
it’s a free country for different approaches last time i checked.
Per Boston Globe, more on the Manny ‘taking a dive’ issue. Six figures mentioned again. Worth noting that what he supposedly did to the secretary was not just a baseball problem.
“Former Channel 4 sports anchor Bob Lobel went on the radio yesterday morning and said Manny Ramirez had been fined “six figures” for flooring Red Sox traveling secretary Jack McCormick in Houston June 28. Lobel went on to say club officials suspected Manny’s July 6 pinch-hitting appearance against Mariano Rivera – an at-bat in which he looked at three strikes – was his payback for being sanctioned. The story raged on the airwaves and in the blogosphere all day, but Manny either didn’t know or didn’t care. He was approached by a few media members when he awoke from his nap and said, “No, not talking. I already talked.”
read this on a seattle message board;
Channel 4 said Washburn (Boras) is looking for compensation to waive his no trade clause. Who knows if that’s true? You’d think a competitive player would love to leave the worst team in the league to go to a contender. But I’m not sure Washburn is a competitive player. Just someone interested in collecting his 9 million and pitch 5-6 innings a game.
jennifer
Yes. Closer than I thought. A shoulder shrug away from hitting his neck by the looks of the picture.
I believe one of the factors in the recent success of the team which has received little or no attention has been the
exemplary defense.
How many pass balls at critical times have gotten by Molina? Giambi has definitely stepped up at first and Sexson a great addition for defensive reasons.
And honestly I don’t miss the glove of Hideki Matsui in left. The overall result has been imo more wins in tight ballgames, and better defense all the way around.
Good pitching, good defense, and small ball getting the job done.
Wow, this Manny thing has gotten so out of hand.
Even when A-Rod becomes a distraction, he doesn’t physically threaten anyone (as far as I know) or intentionally harm the the team’s effort during a game…
“Sorry – when you’re traveling along on this rickety bandwagon, news gets to you a little bit more slowly.”
yeah, we gotta get wifi on this thing. the cans connected with the string is slowing down recruiting.
how about that livan complete game loss last night?
so much was going on i escaped the blog noticing livan being hammered in the first inning.
fielders were literally running into walls and being carried off on stretchers.
not one of livans better innings.
but how can you not value a guy who recovers and pitches the whole game?
the livan bandwagon continues.
the Tampa Troll appears again….DUDE…you are the entertainment that we love….Your team will be 10 games back when the Marathon Season is over….but you keep strutting yourself at not even the 2/3 mark of the season and get your fingers measured for your rings, Schmedley !
randy I agree, I’m tired of ready about Joe being a liar. He is trying to protect his organization and his players. Sure he is bending the truth, but he is only doing it for what he perceives to protect his employer and players.
Hmm I don’t think Joba was trying to hit Youkilis last night. I do think the other two times he tried in the past were on purpose. It was the worst time to try and hit Youk last night and it looked like Joba was frustrated after that pitch. Who knows though, its tough to say. I just hope in the future if Joba wants to hit a guy that he puts one in their ribs and not above shoulder level.
randy, I think we can reduce the Livan bandwagon to a rickety cart or something because I’m pretty sure you’re the only one on it. (i’m kidding of course
)
Well the game just resumed and Kazmir is till in.
from nyt
INSIDE PITCH
The new left-handed reliever Dámaso Marte was issued No. 34, last worn by Phil Hughes, the injured starter. Hughes had no luck with the number early this season, and he told the equipment manager Rob Cucuzza that Marte could have it. Xavier Nady took No. 29, last worn by pitcher Kei Igawa, who was dropped from the 40-man roster Saturday.
Long rain delay…
Come on Kansas City! Win one for New York!
Jose Guillen getting the job DONE.
KC tied it!
Tie game in KC
Nice! All tied up in KC
Come on Royals!!
In the ’sentences I never thought I’d say’ department:
Thank you Jose Guillen!
Despite the cruel and unusual punishment it included – I have waded through SoSH to find info on the Manny fine:
“This is taken from page 44 of the MLB Player’s Association Agreement with MLB:
(2) Club Fines. A fine imposed by a Club pursuant to Regulation
5 of the Uniform Player’s Contract in excess of $2,000 may not
be deducted from the Player’s salary until such fine is finally upheld
in the Grievance Procedure or the time in which to file a Grievance
has expired. ”
I need to shower now after spelunking in red sox dystopia.
How long was that rain delay?
Kind of risking Kazmir’s arm aren’t they?
Not that I’m gonna lose sleep over it or anything.
KC playing Tampa tough, I like what I see so far.
Don vito, what other Names are you using on this blog?
I notice that you always try to be consistent and use “Don Vito A. Bellamo” when insulting others.
TK
Could you guys ease up on us a little bit? You’ve been putting a hurting on us pretty good the last few days. lol
I have to admit that I am impressed particularly with how your bullpen has turned around, and now with Marte it is even stronger.
No fireworks, but Alex Rodriguez was just drilled by a pitch from Craig Hansen.
‘The 98 mile per hour fastball (1-0 count) came mighty close to hitting Rodriguez’s head, but he put his hands up to block it, and it hit his left hand. Rodriguez stumbled a few feet away into the infield on the third base side, where manager Joe Girardi and the trainer came out to check him.
No one left the top step of the dugouts, and Rodriguez eventually made his way to first base.’
No drama queens, just a classy team. Seems a bit different from your interpretation of events Pete.
ray,
You’re a good guy for coming here and making us feel good. As long as the Yankees make the postseason, no hard feelings, huh?
Saw Kontos pitch tonight in Trenton. Good solid first inning, terrible 4-run second inning, 2-run third inning and then he seemed to settle down for the 3, 4, 5 and 6 innings. Jackson did not have a good night, though he hit the ball hard a couple of time and made a good throw to home that was a strike, but just missed getting the runner in the 2nd inning. Nelli Perez (?) pitched the 7 and 8th and did pretty well. Threw hard.
The best part of the game was the announcement that the Yankees had won 10-3. I missed a great game, I guess. When I had left home, Andy Pettitte had thrown a zillion pitches in 2 innings, so it didn’t look promising at all. Pleasant surprise.
Being at the game itself in Trenton tonight was very weird. Very difficult to actually watch the game. All the seats are pretty good; that wasn’t the problem. The problem was the constant – and I mean CONSTANT – fan activity. Fans up and down in the aisles, more people getting food than getting into the game. Just weird. We’ve been several times before and it was NEVER this bad!
Tatis just tied the Mets game with a HR in bottom 9.
St. Louis might be the one contending team with more bullpen problems than the Sox.
The Sox can’t fine Manny six figures. The Union would bounce that out in a grievance in a NY minute.
They are precluded from doing so under the CBA.
They can suspend him without pay for a game or so, if they so choose.
But, they are prohibit from fining him an amount that exceeds what’s laid out in the CBA.
Hi mel,
You may remember a couple months ago or so when quite a few Yankee fans were saying it was hopeless, I said the Yankees in the last few years always have a strong second half of the season.
If the Sox can keep some kind of semblance of a bullpen I think both the Sox and Yankees will right there at the end of the season.
Doreen
I’ve been to a few minor league games, that is how they all are. It is pretty annoying when you are trying to watch. It seems people go there to eat not watch.
patrick-
the livan bandwagon itself is fine.
it’s all the wheels falling off that’s causing the problem.
“St. Louis might be the one contending team with more bullpen problems than the Sox.”
Yeah but that’s different, because there’s only actually ONE good team in the National league, the Cubs. Every other team is padestrian, so not having a bullpen isn’t really a rarity in the National league and you can get by. lol, the Cardinals don’t even have a real closer. But in the AL, the Red Sox are going to get eaten alive with the relievers they throw out there.
Rebecca,
There’ve some wild game today. Philly was up 3-0, then saw themselves down 9-3 in a blink of an eye. Then Philly went up 10-9 and put lots of Braves on the bases but got the win. Hampton was in line for his first win in years. But Philly needed that game or they would find themselves 3 GB with a Mets win.
“TK
Could you guys ease up on us a little bit? You’ve been putting a hurting on us pretty good the last few days. lol
I have to admit that I am impressed particularly with how your bullpen has turned around, and now with Marte it is even stronger.”
ray –
You are set a high standard as a fan which we all should try to meet. Heck – I even cited you as an authority on Manny’s fine (I finally found a Gordon Edes story to boot!)
Frankly – Shaughnessy is much tougher on your organization than us – WOW! – There are a lot of twists and turns to come I am certain!
Good Luck (w/ the Wild Card!)
The Cardinals bullpen is absolutely horrible.
They pretty much blow any lead they get.
The nightmarish week for Ryan Franklin continues as Tatis ties it up. Most of the reports link the Cardinals to discussions with the Rockies for Brian Fuentes. They might as well try to get him. The longer they stick with Franklin as their closer, the farther away the Cubs and Brewers will get from them.
Doreen,
Its not just minor league games. I was at the last 10 Yankee games at the Stadium and people just kept walking by non-stop during the game.
You almost feel like saying, “do any of you actually WATCH the game”?
It was so annoying. Non-stop parade of people walking by our seats.
Its like we have a generation of people who simply can’t sit still.
Seeing it live today the Braves probably have the worst pen in the league.
ray,
Well, we do have this in common. Yankee and Sox fans hoping that Tampa falters down the stretch!
Royals making a run.
Meanwhile KC is threatening.
Who would have thought we’d be patying this close attention to a TB/KC game in July? lol
Augh, the game was there for KC’s taking.
I don’t think Hansen hitting AROD is a big deal, but the blatent double standard continues for the Yankees. If the situation were reversed, our pitcher and manager would have been ejected. This would be followed by Girardi being suspended for a game and our pitcher being suspended for three.
Why is that???????????
Its not just minor league games. I was at the last 10 Yankee games at the Stadium and people just kept walking by non-stop during the game.
You almost feel like saying, “do any of you actually WATCH the game�
It was so annoying. Non-stop parade of people walking by our seats.
Its like we have a generation of people who simply can’t sit still.
I agree. There’s been games where I’ve actually moved to worse seats just to get away from the up and downers.
I usually get up once during a game to use the restroom and get a drink. Sometimes I don’t even do that.
Is it possible the Yankees actually have the best bullpen in the league? And Melancon isn’t even here yet. Cashman deserves credit for this as well, counting on young arms, not over-paying for veterans. I do think they should quickly negotiate with Marte and spend the money on him. As a hard throwing lefty, he is well worth it. I wonder when Girardi will realize he is not a loogy and get him in the 8th inning mix.
JUST another sure sign of the apocalypse: (from WSJ)
The Los Angeles Times, meanwhile, reports that “vegetarian advocate” Johanna McCloy of Berkeley, Calif., has made it her mission “to add veggie dogs”–ersatz frankfurters made entirely of plant products–”to the menu at every major league ballpark.” Shockingly, she “is halfway there,” despite being prone to bursts of emotion:
“I’m pretty proud of it,” notes McCloy, who says she cried in 2001 when she bit into the first veggie dog served at Dodger Stadium.
Jennifer -
You just made me laugh. My husband actually said, “Didn’t any of these people eat today?”
SJ44 -
I was hoping minor league games would be the exception – I mean, they are family affairs, lots of kids, because it’s a relatively inexpensive outing (at least the tickets, if not the food), and tonight if you chose to stay there were fireworks after the game. It was mildly annoying, but we realized if we wanted to actually watch the games, we have a few options next time (sit closer, get tickets farther in advance). But if we had spent the money to go to the Stadium, I would have been incredibly annoyed.
No one has an attention span greater than a gnat’s. That, and no one is even into the games. Again, I understand, lots of young kids.
It was a gorgeous night for baseball, though. Wish the Thunder had played with some life. I did wonder if maybe Kontos had an uneasy night last night.
So sorry to see Pedroyer’s streak end.
And the officiating today left a lot to be desired.
SJ: Oh my g-d, last time I was at a Yankee game it was the same thing!
The entire row in front of us kept getting up and coming back…it was SO annoying the entire time.
Girardi used Marte as he should have today.
As we saw with Nady, guys get jacked up when they come to a new team and sometimes try to do too much.
I bet neither guy even slept last night.
They went from a team going nowhere to a team in contention.
Marte will probably get used in lots of roles. Today? Perfect use of him by Girardi.
Is it possible the Yankees actually have the best bullpen in the league? And Melancon isn’t even here yet. Cashman deserves credit for this as well, counting on young arms, not over-paying for veterans.
Girardi is the one who really deserves the credit for actually giving the guys a chance and not giving up on them after a rough outing or two.
The up/down folks drive me nuts.
My late father used to yell at them to “sit down”! lol
Sometimes, he did it so loudly, folks were afraid to walk by.
Last thing they wanted was an old, Italian guy going postal on them!
He was great at clearing out an aisle! lol
Unfortunately, my wife has yet to acquire those powers.
Watching some of these others teams…oy..just makes ya really realize how good the Yankees bullpen has been.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07.....121699.htm
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CASHMAN GETS OK TO ADD WASHBURN
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Let’s see him pitch tomorrow night in Fenway !!!
The only reason I won’t say “yes” is because I’m superstitious.
That said, just look at today!
When Jose Veras struggled, instead of leaving him in thee to get burned, Girari had options at his disposal, so he went to Marte, Edwar and Robertson instead. He didn’t have to go to Farnsworth (and of course, after the Yanks made it 10-3, not Mo), and no one guy was over used–Edwar only threw two pitches in the seventh.
I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t think there’s any way the Yankees could have done this last year.
Man -No WB Encore of today’s game tomorrow morning. Shucks.
Good night, folks.
SJ44,
I agree with you about the bellyaching of Marte’s use today.
Maybe if it’s tied late in the game you try to get more, but let him enjoy getting out Big Papi.
Lots of work to be done yet.
Not so sure what I think about this anymore. He’s going to take a spot in the rotation next year. that means Pettitte or Moose will lose theirs.
Don Vito A. Bellamo
July 26th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Joe Mama = you are 100% right !!!
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Like here,,,is this an example of me insulting others and using a full name ? Listen, pal, I am who I am and don’t have the time to be stalking around blogs using fake names. You don’t like what I say, read on, it’s not that hard.
As a big Arod fan I got to say I don’t think Hansen threw at him on purpose. Even if he did it’s an eye for eye. Alex is big boy he didn’t cry about it gave a good hey hit me it’s not the last time I’ll be hit either.
This pitching staff is crazy and Robi Robi Robi Cano..Whatdayoukno it’s Robi Cano
… P.S. Bobby Abreu if he wants to be a PH in the future can so do that I mean his numbers w/ RISP is freak like 
The up/down folks drive me nuts.
My late father used to yell at them to “sit downâ€! lol
Sometimes, he did it so loudly, folks were afraid to walk by.
Last thing they wanted was an old, Italian guy going postal on them!
He was great at clearing out an aisle! lol
Unfortunately, my wife has yet to acquire those powers.
I’m not shy about yelling at people.
I’ve been known to belt out a few “HEY THERE’S A GAME GOING ON YOU KNOW!
Total botched play in RF to keep the inning going.
Brandon, you okay there?
now a botched one in left. KC doesn’t want to win this game.
“Girardi is the one who really deserves the credit for actually giving the guys a chance and not giving up on them after a rough outing or two.”
I think there is enough credit for Ca$h and Joe. D-Robinson and Veras weren’t on the opening day roster. They moved Ohly and Alby out (obv. for different reasons) and they coped well with the Bruney injury.
The other big factor is that the rotation stopped pitching 3 or 4 innings. When Razz stepped up and Cash added Ponson who has done an adequate job, the bullpen could breathe a little.
Really the removal of IPK and Hughes from the rotation as they were performing, has as much to do w/ the success of the BP as anything else.
Finally – Girardi has balanced out the workload MUCH better than Torre ever did. And he found Farnsy’s mojo. who’da thunkit?
And then German couldn’t make the catchable play in foul territory.
Sometimes, folks complain just for the sake of complaining Mel.
What’s to complain about? Two wins in Boston, 8-0 after the break.
Veras scuffled? So what. Guys aren’t always going to be perfect in the ‘pen. You have to pick up your teammate.
I thought Girardi’s use of Marte today was genius.
It was like, “we have a new toy and we are going to show you how it works”. I thought it was great.
Just something else for the Sox to think about.
Tomorrow night is a house money game. Can’t ask for more than that in a game in which Ponson is pitching.
And TB takes a 4-2 lead.
KC, you stink.
Unbelievable, KC just handed the rays the game. They had two chances to get out of the inning, and one involved KC missing an easy POP UP. Pathetic, they were no help.
Disgusting. Real tough to get the 5th out of an inning.
Oh yeah Seattle got to be smoking some strong stuff if they think we are giving up a AA near ML ready prospect for Washburn or any high prospect. The farthest I go is Igawa and Colin Curtis or Kontos that’s it. OFF LIMITS (Betances,Almonte,AJACK,Montero,Sanchez,Claggette,Miranda, Corona) …
Brandon, you okay there?
Yeh I am.
Its interesting to think back to spring training when the bull pen was absolutely the biggest area of uncertainty – didn’t know who was going to be on the team or who was going to assume which role.
Assembling the pen was one of the best things Cashman has done in his career as GM.
It was years in the making – collecting the 15 or so guys they brought to spring training as possible bull pen candidates really demonstrated the depth of resources the team had assembled over the past 3 seasons.
And then what happens – Bruney gets hurt, Albaladejo gets hurt, Ohelndorf is ineffective, Traber is terrible and Joba is shifted from the pen to the rotation.
They’ve seamlessly replaced those 5 guys. No other team in the league could do that and not have it be a huge problem. The yankees made up for those guys and improved the pen.
This is absolutely the best bull pen in baseball. It has the potential to be even better than the Nelson/Stanton pens. Its deeper and more diverse than those bull pens were, IMO. Its a deadly weapon for this team now.
I love new toys.
They’re fun.
seriodsly
Doris … candy for the brain.
Youk doesn’t actually get hit, then A-Rod does got hit.
Penalties if it was the other way around?
Double standard indeed.
Don Vito A. Bellamo, you have become an annoyance just like the trolls. Please. Stop. It. Or. Leave. Now.
“As a big Arod fan I got to say I don’t think Hansen threw at him on purpose. Even if he did it’s an eye for eye.”
Planning on a run for office Brandon – the Waffles are delicious!
It all began to snowball for the Royals after Ramirez lost Iwamura after an 0-2 count by giving up a single. It’s amazing how many times that comes back to bite a pitcher, losing a man after an 0-2 count. That’s supposed to be like death to a hitter.
Why would pittsburgh trade Nady? They ended up putting another awful retread Micheals in his spot. Nadys contract is not up, and he was having a great year, why would they trade him? I could see if he was having a bad year, or if his contract was up, they`d want to get something for him since they probably cant resign him. Any thoughts? I love the trade though.
I was watching the Met game, how can Villone and Hitchcock still have ML jobs? Oh, thats right, its in the NL. Its amazing that those two still have jobs, and on a contender no less.
Did anyone listen to John Kruk on Baseball tonight? He talks about how it was good that Hansen hit Arod to retaliate for Joba, of course the former Philly Yankee hater forgets to mention that Red sox pitchers hit 3 yankees today, and that the redsox have hit more yankees by far over the last ten seasons.
Let’s see if Wheeler can be the real Dan Wheeler tonight.
“They’ve seamlessly replaced those 5 guys.”
CB –
I know you and I watched the same games – sometimes it didn’t feel some seamless!
But we are in a much better place now thank God!
Did anyone listen to John Kruk on Baseball tonight?
As I rule I never do.
any ideas on Why pittsburgh would trade Nady? They ended up putting another awful retread Micheals in his spot. Nadys contract is not up, and he was having a great year, why would they trade him? I could see if he was having a bad year, or if his contract was up, they`d want to get something for him since they probably cant resign him. Any thoughts? I love the trade though.
I love new toys.
They’re fun.
Rebecca you ok there
This is the second time I’ve seen someone have a problem with Don Vito. What’s with that? He may be delusional, but who cares? Broken clocks right twice a day, though I didn’t see you calling an 8 game winning streak out of the break, Don Vito.
Seriously: Andrew McCutcheon. McCutchen. I can’t spell.
Brandon: Are you kidding? Never better!
Well come on people what do you think John Kruk is going to say …He hates Arod, spends 24/7 on BBT dissing him, taking pot shots every single once in while when he can.
Final score 10-3. That’s all that matters.
That, and Joba is in the Red Sox heads.
If the biggest thing to come out of the game for the Red Sox today is they hit Arod, their eye isn’t on the prize.
This isn’t Joe Torre’s 2004-2007 soft NY Yankees. If the Red Sox want to play that way, Farnsworth will just hit Manny in the head the next time they play, instead of brushing him back.
That eye for an eye stuff isn’t going to help the Red Sox now. One thing we know about this Yankee team. They aren’t too interested in being “classy” when it comes to this stuff.
They have no qualms jumping into the fray with both feet.
Don’t ever try to figure out what Pittsburgh is thinking.
Remember they traded for Matt Morris at the deadline last year?
Just a piss poorly run franchise.
And despite all, we have Melancon as a replacement part.
That’s another thing SJ hit that topic perfectly if it’s an eye for an eye then they don’t have thier eyes on the prize. We spent how many seasons watching Sori, Alex, Jetes being used like pin cushions…Guess what if we did (which I know we did because it’s only one certain player) if we choose to bully Youkilis than that’s Girardi and the pitcher who throws the ball choice. We watched it and did nothing for how many years ? Well my message to Kevin Youkilis, tough , do something about it !
That’s it, won’t gain on TB. 5-2 in the 9th.
Night game on a travel day?
I’m not sure Torre’s Yankees ever really recovered from the 2004 debacle.
With Joe Girardi, it’s a chance to start fresh. 2004 is not in Joe Girardi’s head and I think it shows.
TK,
They’re building the entire pitching staff – and the bull pen in particular through probability. Amass enough talent and eventually you’ll be able to optimize your available resources.
But that’s a process – an ongoing one. It’s not as if you make a decision and say these are our guys.
That’s part of what people who criticize Cash for being passive or being to hung up on his prospects don’t see – you have to be patient to build a staff the way they are. You have to let the process run its course and you have to give guys a chance at the major league level.
Ohlendorf was not ready to get major league outs. But Dave Robertson clearly is. Who knew? If you’d asked me if Robertson would be pitching in the pen this year in July, never mind dominating, I’d have told you there’s just no way.
But its a process to get from Ohlendorf to Robertson – a guy who was drafted in 2006 in the 17th round and started the year in AA.
It’s a process to go from Bruney to Veras or from Traber to Marte.
They are finally building this team the right way.
Brandon,
And the best part? They’ll stop doing it because it doesn’t even faze these guys. They’re trying to get our guys hot under the collar. Please. Cool as cucumbers.
We might have another LH reliever coming soon
- via Mike Ashmore
CB: It’s almost as if some of these injuries are blessings in disguises.
You never want anyone to get hurt, but Bruney’s injury paved the way for the bullpen to shift into the roles it has.
Phil and Ian’s injuries meant giving Joba a chance to start–and his progress has been astounding. Just think, not even two months ago he couldn’t pitch out of the third, and last night he goes toe-to-toe with Beckett and out-pitches him.
Joba’s transition to the rotation gave the Yankees the chance at a long man.
Jorge’s injury has given Molina a chance to catch–and to help turn Moose’s season into his best shot at 20 wins in over ten years. (A lot of it has to do with Moose, but I think there’s much more credit to Molina than is often given)
randy: The complete game is great, but I dunno if I’m willing to sac an outfielder or two for each complete game.
The Yankees are doing a great job building a bullpen form within. That is definitely the best strategy to develop a successful pen. Its like a revolving door. If one player is being used too much, the other guy gets the ball. If one player falters, a player from the minors steps in to fill the hole. Building the pen up from the minor league teams is a great strategy because it develop young, solid relievers who are often very cheap. As stated by previous posters, if you amass enough talent in the minor leagues through draft, you will have plenty of inexpensive options to help out the big club when you need it. It sure beats having to sign free agents who are NOT sure things for huge multi year deals. If worse comes to worse with a Robertson or Veras, you can just send them to Scranton and call up another young pitcher to see what he can give you. Its the best way to get a solid relief core that will be together for a long amount of time.
Good News for tomorrow’s game no JOr Morgan in the ESPN booth (he is at HOF)
Bad news Steve Phillips and Orel Hersheiser replace him. I like Orel but having to listen to Phillips for 3 plus hours not fun.
blargh-
it’s even more impressive that livan pitched a complete game with back up center fielders after the first two crashed into walls.
not everyone can do that.
gayle that is half good news.
5-3 KC now.
runner on 1st, no out………
5-3 TB I meant
gayle 3 – 4 HRS. of hearing Steve Philips mum on his Jared Burton for Philip Hughes talk..and how the Yankees BP stinks.
Tracks just blew the game for Lincecum who had 13 K’s in 7 IP.
I have a question about the DFA process.
MLB contracts are guranteed correct? So Igawa even though he was basically fired and released by the Yankees they are still obligated to pay all of his contract even though at this point he is only on the minor league roster.
My other question is that when he got dropped off the 40 man roster is it like being DFA’d where a team has 10 days to claim him off waivers? Or because he was only on the 40 and not the 25 that process doesnt happen?
Lincecum is really something.
Travesty he has to pitch for a team as bad as San Francisco…
SJ,
I agree with you for the most part about the change in attitude except in one area. In the first inning we were treated to the shot of Jeter hugging and kissing Lowell at 3rd base.
Lowell, who threw a tantrum last night when Mo struck him out. Mo seemed a little cheesed off by the overreaction in the post game calling it a good pitch.
I love Jeter, but I don’t think for a second that he has any interest in toughening the rivalry up. I think everyone is his pal and I don’t expect him to ever be at the bottom of the pile when/if the benches empty.
The fact is we didn’t hit Youkilis and Arod got drilled.
Sometimes I wonder if anyone on the Yankees would brawl if the benches ever emptied like they did in the old days. Especially when Arod is the intended target.
Phillips was very complimentary of the Yankees, Cashman, the pitching, and Molina during the radio broadcast of the game.
I think the cameras make him stupid.
Maybe Phillips will talk some more about how big a mistake the Yankes were making moving Joba to the rotation.
Moron.
Orel is great, but I’d rather listen to Morgan than idiot Phillips.
Rebecca,
I think the main thing is about being willing to give guys an opportunity to show what they can do – rookie, veteran, etc.
Girardi’s done a great job with using guys. The team has assembled a terrific collection of arms. The whole thing works as long as your patient and willing to call guys up and use them.
It’s funny watching Ramirez and Veras this year with all of the talk about Hughes and Kennedy being “busts.”
I’d love to know what people saying that though of Edwar last year when he was giving up home runs left and right and was crying after games.
Who’d have thought that only a season later he would be turning into one of the most dominant middle relievers in the game?
Write a guy off as a bust – you never see how they grow and improve from the experience they accrue.
mel- What’s happening in that one between the D-Backs and Gigantes? Yahoo’s coughing, sputtering, and freezing.
ALso can someone explain to me the Cleveland thought process on two fronts tonight.
Carmona on his first trip back to the big team after his injury had a horrible outing he threw over 40 pitches in the first inning, how can the Indians allow that to happen 40 pitches in one inning is unreal.
Also I saw that they traded for Al Reyes from the Cardinals. Please tell me why are they that short in pitching aqnd why the Cardinals whose bullpen is horrendous would trade a bullpen arm away even though he is not good they got back a mnor leaguer.
Brandon (Cashman deals w/ a ski mask & a gun) (Johan HR count: *17)
July 26th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
>>We might have another LH reliever coming soon
- via Mike Ashmore
I asked Tony Franklin about the report in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that both Coke and Kontos were removed from the trade because one had a labrum issue, and he said he had no idea about any of that. Coke was also not given a reason as to why he was removed from the trade.
If I’m guessing, they’re referring to George’s shoulder injury last year, where he missed two months.
Word on the street is that Coke will be getting his innings cut down, but it’s not known yet whether he’ll be heading to the bullpen.>>
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Coke get his “cup of coffee” with the Yanks in September.
He’s already 26, and in AA, but he’s been pitching very, very well. And this is after two strong seasons in A-ball. In his last start before yesterday, the speed gun had him at 92, which is better than he’s been in the past, and he’s been effective against both lefties and righties lately (LH had been giving him a lot of trouble for a while). A number of scouts think he’s going to make a good ML reliever. It’d be nice to see the yankees with two good LH relievers in 2009, wouldn’t it?
Yes Rebecca how very true, how many pass ball have gotten by Molina? Not many at all. Jorge despite his great offensive attributes is good for at least two passballs per game.
“Jorge’s injury has given Molina a chance to catch–and to help turn Moose’s season into his best shot at 20 wins in over ten years. (A lot of it has to do with Moose, but I think there’s much more credit to Molina than is often given”
randy: Hmm, that is a good point
Does Livan’s mojo extend to the primary centerfielders healing faster too?
Sometimes I wonder if anyone on the Yankees would brawl if the benches ever emptied like they did in the old days. Especially when Arod is the intended target.
Melky would be kicking people while he waited for Krazy Karl to get in from the pen. lol
Oh well tb just won, at least we are in a tie with the soxs for the wild card.
J-Dawg,
Dunno, Gameday’s not loading up.
Stupid Royals.
CB: I certainly don’t think Hughes or Kennedy is necessarily a bust; I do think they were rushed a bit and could use more time in the minors, and that Hughes has got to igure out how to stay healthy.
That said, what Girardi has done with the young guys is incredible.
I also have to wonder how much with Edwar has to do with increased confidence in his fastball–he doesn’t seem afraid to throw it, as he was in spots last year.
Veras is stumbling a little right now–every pitcher will have a rough spot–but it’s so nice to have the luxury of not having to depend on him iff he’s having a bad day.
jennifer,
You’re going to jinx us!
We’re tied in the loss column, 1 GB in the standings.
However, if we win tomorrow, we’ll be virtually tied with us ahead because we’ll have less losses.
mel- Mine’s messing up as well. Endy Chavez was just called out on a grounder…replays showed that he was safe, even the Cards crew admitted it.
WTF is Minny doing
Brandon, this might interest you.
Keppinger got to face a left-hander and still did nothing tonight. He entered the game with a 1011 OPS versus southpaws and a 585 OPS against right-handers. He’s hitting .195 with no walks in 41 at-bats since the All-Star break and .215 in 107 at-bats since returning from the disabled list last month. Unless he can turn it around, he stands to lose a lot of playing time to Jerry Hairston Jr.
maybe Keppinger could be expandable.
So genuinely happy for the team. I am 100% confident we will make the PO this year. And Pete, thanks for all the updates. Some days I feel like I can’t read them as fast as you are adding new contents. This is such a great blog.
Brandon: I have no idea. It’s like they want to keep him a secret even though everyone knows who he is by now.
Leave him down there a few more weeks I say.
At least until after the Yanks next roadtrip. lol
Brandon,
LOL. That Livan Hernandez is such a lightning rod. They’ll bring Liriano up just in time to play the Yankees.
Ed I’d hope..Cincy is trying to make him an everyday player and he’s just not that. PH role could be perfect for him in NY.
When asked if the pitch was intentional, Hansen said, “Like I said, I didn’t have the greatest control today.â€
“I just couldn’t hit my spots all day,†Hansen said. “My location wasn’t well. What can you do?â€
How about, not throw 98 mph fastballs inside if you don’t know where they are going.
This Mets game won’t end.
oops. forgot citation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07.....7arod.html
Craziness at Shea. Check out Gameday!
pat you can’t say that, that’s his pitches, if he doesn’t have control he can’t just not throw it, he throws a slider chances are Alex hits a 500 foot shot. Hansen has never been a head hunter even at St.John’s.
Jiminez was wild enough to have La Russa stirring around in the dugout. The Cards and Mets can just play all night long, I’m too tired to care. I might resume posting again when they reach the 18th inning.
2 easy out for Jiminez. Then he walks Wright, Delgado, Beltran to load the bases. Got Tatis to 0-2 followed by ground out to the pitcher.
I’m trying to post this 3 times already
Interesting…
Gayle,
All major league contracts are guaranteed – so even though the yankee’s DFA’d Igawa they are still on the hook for all of his money. That doesn’t change.
When a player is DFA’d there are three basic things that can happen within a 10 day period. This is very confusing but this is what I understand of it.
A player with a major league contract is DFA’d and he is placed on waivers with the intention of optioning him to the minors. Once he’s placed on waivers he’s off the 40 man roster. If the player is claimed on waivers he’s property of the other team. If he passes through waivers he returns to the original team. I think you can place a player on waivers like this without his permission once in his career – you don’t have to ask him if he’d agree to come back. This is what happenned with Igawa I believe. (players with more than 5 years experience can’t be DFA’d and sent to the minors.
I’d guess cleveland left carmona in for 40 pitches in the first because they had a pitch limit on him. They weren’t worried about his innings – they wanted to get him work and were just counting pitches.
The Cardinals soured on Anthony Reyes – since he won that game in the 2006 series he’s been very up and down. They’ve sent him to the minors after he was ineffective. Not sure why they specifically traded him now.
brandon-
on a side note tomorrow if lirano wins it’ll be stan cliburn’s 1000 triple a victory.
the twins do think a little differently than the yankees about bringing up pitchers.
they seem to season them a bit longer.
with liriano , i would think it must just be some rules technicality about service time.
blargh-
livan’s mojo is hard to read. maybe he was just trying to say center fielders are over rated. on the other hand , maybe he was saying you can’t have too many.
one thing i know is that as much as i like livan, i’d be starting liriano asap in that rotation.
it’s possible they’ll send slowey down though for more of that twin seasoning.
“WTF is Minny doing
”
Can’t say I blame them. They’re winning games just fine and staying in contention with their current rotation. When things start to go bad, they start slipping too far behind the ChiSox, and one or two of their starters is struggling … boom, they plug in Liriano to instantly revitalize their season. Not the dumbest thing in the world to do, and they’ll push back his arbitration (which is, obviously, the real reason they’re doing it).
pat,
you make a good point about if you don’t have control, don’t pitch in. They said the same thing about Joba (except he had pinpoint control in each instance!)
But he was wild all day, and put about 5 runners on before he plunked Alex. I don’t think THAT was part of the plan.
A-rod said “who cares? we won”
If it doesn’t bother the Yankees, the Sox will stop doing it. Bullies will stop if you ignore them.
Speaking of ignoring, where’s all the trolls? It’s been really quiet lately.
…The Mets have turned into the Yankees, 1-16 with RISP.
One thing about this Mets game is that it is Merengue Night..meaning after the game finishes latin artist Sergio Vargas and El Jeffrey are going to perform in the middle of the field for the latino fans or anyone who enjoys concerts. I think the Mets are 13-0 on Merengue Night.
Brandon– For a moment I thought you were talking about the egg white and sugar desert, and I was a much jealous.
“Can’t say I blame them. They’re winning games just fine and staying in contention with their current rotation. ”
What Minnesota is doing right now with Liriano is unbelievably foolish and shortsighted. It’s hard to get over how misguided this is.
Not all wins are created equally. It doesn’t matter if a team wins 75 games or 77. Those 2 marginal wins don’t really make any substantial difference.
But the Twins are in a very tight playoff chase. They could still win the division. They are right in it for the wild card.
Every marginal win for them is enormous. If Liriano would even allow the twins to win 1-2 games relative to Livan (no disrespect Randy…) it could be the difference between the playoffs and staying home. Those wins are remarkably valuable. And Liriano would be most likely far better than 1-2 wins better than Livan.
The way the twins are playing now makes the santana trade even worse for them – trading him probably cost them the division. When you consider what they got back – they should have kept him and tried to win this year.
But that’s done and now they are voluntarily repeating the same mistake with Liriano.
CB,
Not to mention that they’re really pissing off Liriano.
Mel and CB: I can’t believe Minnesota is doing this when they are a team in contention.
I thought playoff games made your team money?
mel,
that’s an entirely different and equally stupid reason. Bill Smith is just infuriating Liriano. This is basically Smith saying you know what I am not going to sign Liriano long term. He’ll be here for 6 years and then I’m going to trade him so I don’t have to worry how angry I make him. He’s under team control and then he’ll be gone.
Tough message to send a fanbase after you dumped santana for nothing and made a horrible trade getting rid of Garza for Young who has been horrible this season.
Well Pujols just untied it.
Albert Pujols two run jack
Cashman isn’t saying anything about Washburn eh? Figures. He probably still refuses to confirm that we made a trade with the Pirates.
Pujols is 4 for 7 before this at bat. That’s a stat you don’t see often.
hope they re-tie it and play another 5
Wow, how can you let Albert Pujols beat you? I don’t care if there’s a guy on first, you pitch around Pujols and take your chances with the next hitter and hope you can get him out.
Okay, 5 for 8. You don’t see that stat often, either.
Brandon are you telling me that these people have to perform AFTER this game? I fear chaos erupting.
Pujols with a 2-run blast, 10-8 Cards over the Mets, Top of the 14th
hope they re-tie it and play another 5
There will be alot of pissed off Dominicans if that happens..I just don’t see Sergi Vargas and EL Jeffrey doing 1 AM concerts
NESPN is on the ball – the bottom line says that the Yankees are involved in talks to acquire Washburn. NESPN… always ahead of the game.
Mel, 5-8 = impressive… however, Johnny Damon 6-6 in a 9 inning game with the winning hit = unbelievable
Speaking of Dominicans do we know if Cano, Ramirez, Melky are friends of Marte? I think there is somewhat of an age difference but also know that the baseball world down there professionally is somewhat small and it would be good if he had some friends that he knew on the team already other than Nady.
Oh No my mistake that was last night ! (Merengue Night)
DFox,
The problem is that Ankiel has 22 dingers and that pushes the runner into scoring position. But yeah, Pujols is hitting three-freaking-fifty.
Sportscenter said Sunday is A-Rod’s Birthday. A few shots over the monster wouldn’t be a bad way to celebrate turning 33.
Gotta be one of the best baseball days of Johnny Damon’s life.
“Mel, 5-8 = impressive… however, Johnny Damon 6-6 in a 9 inning game with the winning hit = unbelievable”
Yeah, what skip did tonight makes what Damon did look even more impressive.
When was the last time someone went 6-6 or better in a 9 inning game? Anyone else this year?
Darn Brandon I was starting to get excited about a riot at shea at 1am
Should the Royals send pitcher Brian Bannister back to New York if offered outfielder Melky Cabrera or another run-production bat in return?
Such an offer might be forthcoming, because the Yankees appear determined to boost their rotation and are showing increased interest in Bannister as an alternative if ongoing efforts to acquire Seattle’s Jarrod Washburn reach an impasse.
http://www.kansascity.com/spor.....22113.html
Brandon,
BTW I read that article on Hughes when it first came out. Its a very good example of how not to use statistics. In fact it exemplifies some of the most common mistakes people make when they have a lot of data available to analyze (especially from a new data source – here pitch f/x) and don’t really understand how the data is generated.
To conclude that repeatable mechanics are a problem by drawing some unsupported inference regarding hitters picking up a curve ball is bizarre. That’s not a conclusion that you can draw from that analysis or that data. That’s just speculation.
Brandon-
It’s Mordecai Ben David night at Shea.
Joe T,
Schumacher is 6 of 7 in this game, too. Craziness.
“The problem is that Ankiel has 22 dingers and that pushes the runner into scoring position. But yeah, Pujols is hitting three-freaking-fifty.”
Good point, but like you pointed out, the average, and I don’t know about them, but after 14 innings I can live with Ankiel beating me, I can’t live with the best player on their team, Pujols beating me.
Oh wow … I think Melky is gone is that’s the deal.
When did Damon go 6 for 6?
“Tough message to send a fanbase after you dumped santana for nothing and made a horrible trade getting rid of Garza for Young who has been horrible this season.”
What do you want them to do? They have a cheap owner who won’t let them spend money. No, given the kinds of money pitchers get these days, they probably won’t sign Liriano. So they’re going to keep him under their control as long as they can. Meanwhile, they aren’t throwing their season away. They keep winning, they’re still only 3 1/2 out, and they’re going to be able to do something the Tigers and ChiSox won’t be able to do — call up a potential ace down the stretch. I wouldn’t advocate the Yankees doing it, but the Twins have always had tighter financial restraints, and they have a good track record of winning in spite of those restraints.
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wow… 5-8, 6-6, 6-7…. all qualify as days you get to call home and tell your mother about
cano and melky for Greinke…. that article looks like some royals fan ramblings on a blog… Yanks never would have offered cano and melky for Greinke.. They didn’t do it for Santana.. how could they have made that offer to greinke???
anything to that story that Mark posted? That would be interesting. Again, i’m not a Melky fan and I AM a Bobby Abreu fan so trading Melky opens up the possibility that Abreu comes back next year
“Oh wow … I think Melky is gone is that’s the deal.
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How about Bannister and Nady in pinstripes? Met fans would love that.
mel 7 June vs Kansas City. Same as LoHud Scranton night, I listened to the game on the radio on the drive up.
Brandon, does this Melky-Bannister thing have legs? If it does I’m not really sure I like the deal.
This site has a great preview of the Trade Deadline:
http://theblogofchampions.com/?p=155
Rebecca,
Thanks.
Yeah, the credibility of the article went down the toilet.
“So they’re going to keep him under their control as long as they can. ”
They are moving into a tax payer financed stadium next year. What they are doing this year is terrible – one of the more cynical ways to run a club I can remember.
It’s great that they’ll have Liriano under their control for another year. But the opportunity cost to them is enormous. Not only are they minimizing their chance of making the playoffs they are minimizing the investment they’ve already made in Joe Mauer and to a lesser degree Justin Morneau.
Mauer is only signed through 2010. That’s it. After that – he’s probably gone.
The twins are seriously OK with wasting one of those Mauer’s seasons by not bringing up Liriano to play with him? That’s amazing.
When you are a low budget team your goal has to be to make the playoffs as many times as possible during which your star players are signed and under team control.
Liriano’s arb date will be pushed back a year. Great – during that extra year he’ll get to break in a new catcher.
If it were me I would not do that Bannister deal right now. First off He hasnt been that great recently. He had a really good first month or so but I believe not so good lately. Also i worry about getting rid of Melky during this season first off we have no replacement for CF as far aws I can tell ready YET. Brett Gardner may be just as good defenseively although I have not seen it as we only saw him in LF, BUT he at this point in time is no replacement on the offensive side. As not so good as Melky has been this year Gardner cant get on base neough to do much damage where we all know he wreaks havoc.
Also not sure you want to mess with chemistry at this point in time we are going good and the addiiton of Marte and Nady has had a great effect in terms of moral. I think trading someone like Melky might not h ave the same effect again at this time.
CB: Add insult to injury–the new stadium Minnesota is building?
No roof.
Guess Pohlad forgot this isn’t a football team, but even the Vikings play in a dome.
since tomorrow’s Seattle vs Blue Jays game is at 1, we shall see if Washburn would be pitching tomorrow. if he’s not, then he’s on his way to Boston.
“Should the Royals send pitcher Brian Bannister back to New York if offered outfielder Melky Cabrera or another run-production bat in return?”
This is a great rumor. This is basically the yankees putting the screws to the mariners.
The yankees are sending the mariners a message – if you want to dump $14M this is your opoortunity – no more screwing around with ridiculous demands of talent and dumping salary. If now we’ll move in a different direction.
I don’t see Bannister being a good fit for the yankees. They don’t need another young pitcher down the stretch, especially one who is struggling a lot.
This is most likely the yankees calling the Mariners bluff.
I guess if this Bannister deal is true, it is give up Melky for a cheap pitcher, which I hope they don’t do, or give up hopefully no one important and take on Washburn’s salary through next year.
They are not trading Melky. Gardner has shown he’s not ready. His at bats were terrible – how many times did he even hit the ball with any authority, even on this base hits. He’s not ready.
Damon – he’s no longer a good CF and you can’t count on him potentially getting injured with the increased stress of playing CF. Just look at today how concerned everyone got when he winced. They need his bat and can’t afford him getting hurt in the field.
Sink or swim – they need melky to play CF.
They have pitchers at AAA who are very similar to Bannister. This is a rumor the yankees leaked to pressure the mariners in all likelihood.
“I guess if this Bannister deal is true, it is give up Melky for a cheap pitcher, which I hope they don’t do, or give up hopefully no one important and take on Washburn’s salary through next year.”
I like Bannister, but you don’t do a trade like that at this point in the season, most importantly because you then but CF in the hands of Brett Gardner, who should not be learning on the job in the middle of a pennant race.
Melky Cabrera should not be a trading chip right now.
“The twins are seriously OK with wasting one of those Mauer’s seasons by not bringing up Liriano to play with him? That’s amazing.”
I honestly don’t think a playoff spot is being given away here. Whenever the Twins plan to call him up (who knows, maybe they’re going to move someone at the deadline), they’ll have the opportunity to replace whichever starter is struggling the most with Liriano. Compare the rotation and pen they’d have then to the crap pitching Detroit has. I’m not sure how much you can trust the White Sox to stay afloat. I really like their chances to win the division even if they do delay calling up Liriano. If they miss it by a game? Well, that’s the risk they’re taking to get an extra full season out of him.
I don’t think Melky is a trading chip right now. Just a gut feeling.
Confucius: It’s not about being just a contender.
If the Twins brought up Liriano, they could probably win the Central in the middle of September.
Cano/Melky for anyone on the KC Royals sounds like a PS3 trade, and nothing that’d make any sort of common sense in the real world.
Cano’s finally breaking out of his funk, in a major way, and has already brought his average back up to .270. He’s signed long-term. He’s not going anywhere unless the return is absolutely overwhelming.
Melky’s not going anywhere until they’re ready to give Austin Jackson a shot, or unless another alternative magically presents itself.
8-0 since the ASB. The tinkering needs to be minor, if even that. Still need to think both short and long-term, which I absolutely see this team doing right now.
I gotta agree with you CB. The rumors (as I have heard them) were the Yankees will take Washburn under one of these two conditions:
1 – The Mariners pick up some of the salary, Yankees send at least a decent prospect in return
or
2 – The Yankees pay all of Washburns remaining 14 or so million and the Mariners say thank you and get just about nothing in return.
Then they come out and say they want the prospects and us to take the money? I think the Yankees are definitely starting that rumor just to get the Mariners to take their price down a tad
What if they throw the car jumper in this deal
“If they miss it by a game? Well, that’s the risk they’re taking to get an extra full season out of him.”
Its very, very possible that 5 years from now the twins may be in rebuilding mode and Liriano will be pitching meaningless games for them. How will that additional year under control help them then?
So they are trading marginal wins now when the are definitely very, very valuable for future wins that could be meaningless because they let the twins win 82 games instead of 78.
In fact the games Liriano would be pitching for the Twins now could be the most valuable regular season games he ever throws for them – every additional win for a team positioned where the twins are right now is massively valuable – not only in terms of competition but in terms of money.
If they had called up Liriano when they should have they may have already been in first place.
The twins have don’t have a great farm system. They are not going to get suddnely better than the team they have on the field right now.
I’d completely agree with what they are doing if they were out of playoff contention. Even if they were say 6 games out. But they are right in the thick of it – positioned in a spot where every win is enormous.
What does everyone think of giving Aceves the start on Tuesday (?) for Rasner… see how he does. Maybe the Yankees made their one big trade and the starting pitcher issue can be solved internally. Right now it would be nice to add one starting pitcher – Aceves is pitching very well and is apparently first in line for a call-up; Kennedy has also pitched well as of late; Hughes and (ugh) the American Idle are beginning their rehab, and Chien-Ming Wang could be back in September – if Aceves, Kennedy, Hughes, Pavano, Ponson, and Rasner can hold down 2 rotation spots and then add Wang to the mix (hopefully) I don’t think a trade is a NEED, rather a want.
CB-
How much longer until they call up Liriano? After the trade deadline?
“If the Twins brought up Liriano, they could probably win the Central in the middle of September.”
And then send him back down to the minors until October?
You’re right, it’s not just about being a contender, it’s also about maximizing how much of the guy’s career they enjoy his services. To use the point that low budget teams need to make the playoffs as much as they can: if they delay bringing Liriano up they slightly reduce their chances of making the playoffs this year, but they greatly enhance their chances of another season of contention when he’s approaching free agency. It’s a tough balancing act for them, and yeah it’s cheap and petty, but that goes right up to the owner. Thankfully, the Yankees don’t have to deal with that kind of thing. :\
“What does everyone think of giving Aceves the start on Tuesday (?) for Rasner… see how he does. Maybe the Yankees made their one big trade and the starting pitcher issue can be solved internally.”
I don’t understand why you’d replace a starter who, other than a couple of bad starts, has kept this team in the game and in a position to win for the majority of his starts, with a rookie making his first start. It just makes no sense.
I understand the desire for Washburn. I don’t even think, frankly, it should be Rasner Washburn should place. I think it should be Ponson. I think Rasner is pitching like the back-end guy he is, and showing a ton of guts in the process.
I’m all for trying Aceves out, but you don’t replace someone in the rotation with him right now.
Again, 8-0 since the ASB. I know some of you may think they should have gone 10-0, but you can’t do that in eight games.
I thought Aceves was at AA? Has he been pitching at AA and I’m just too thick to have noticed it?
Buddy,
I have no idea when they’ll call him up. But I’m sure that Bill Smith has it planned out to the day.
I’m sure they’ve done all the math and will continue to sit on him, speak platitudes about Livan Hernandez, and then call up Liriano the day after his arbitration eligibility gets pushed back another year.
*AAA
And I agree with Jorge Steinbrenner
Jorge – honestly I would’ve said for Ponson but starting Aceves on Sunday night baseball in Fenway just isn’t fair. I was at the last game that Rasner pitched and he looked great. The point of my post is that I don’t think we need to go out and get Washburn, I think the people we have can do at least the same, and probably better
Wow, a Cards fan was critically injured falling from an escalator at Shea Stadium tonight. Second time this year that has happened.
I’m so pissed off. I’m going to the game on Tuesday, and ever time I go I always get stuck with Rasner. I bought the tickets months ago, I got excited when I did the math and thought I was going to get to see Mussina, and then they switch it up
Rebecca,
Aceves was promoted to AAA; he then suffered a minor injury and only recently started throwing for Scranton.
Lol, I was reading a Cardinals’ blog. They’re using ‘Franklin’ as a curse word.
‘Let’s win this Franklin game!’
‘It’s about Franklin time.’
‘Way to go, Albert Franklin Pujols!’
LOL!
Using Aceves is very complicated due to the 40 man roster issues. It’s not something that should prevent them from using Aceves but it does make it so that they have to be sure Aceves is absolutely ready for the majors and that there is no better option.
Aceves is not going to be rule V draft eligible this year. If you activate him and place him on the 40 man you are giving him a spot that another pitcher would have used. There is no way a cheap player like Aceves would clear waivers.
The yanks have a ton of players who have to be protected from the rule 5 draft. To place a player who doesn’t need to be protected onto the 40 man is not something to take lightly. You really have to be sure that he’s ready to step in and can help right away.
“Jorge – honestly I would’ve said for Ponson but starting Aceves on Sunday night baseball in Fenway just isn’t fair. I was at the last game that Rasner pitched and he looked great. The point of my post is that I don’t think we need to go out and get Washburn, I think the people we have can do at least the same, and probably better.”
Don’t get me wrong. I couldn’t agree with you more. I said I understand why people would want Washburn. I never said I agreed with it. I think we can handle this perfectly fine internally.
At this point in the season, guys like Aceves should be making spot starts in case of injury, if there’s no other option, and that’s it. Other than that, we’ll welcome him, Phil, IPK, etc. with open arms in September. Then they can fight it out for #5 in the spring…..after we sign Sabathia, of course….
Ha, we need a word like Franklin here. Ideas?
“I’m so pissed off. I’m going to the game on Tuesday, and ever time I go I always get stuck with Rasner. I bought the tickets months ago, I got excited when I did the math and thought I was going to get to see Mussina, and then they switch it up.”
I’ve had Rasner pitch two out of three games I’ve been to this season. We won both.
DFox: Pavano. A pity we can’t use “Farnsworth” any more…
I hate the Mother Franklin Red Sox Nation.
DFox-
Pavano work?
I feel like before every start everyone feels Ponson is just going to blow up. The guy deserves the start tomorrow, give the guy a chance. How about his start vs Tampa this year what was it 6ip and 1er, against the 1st place team.
Updated Pitching Stats since the All-Star break…
http://img514.imageshack.us/im.....re2vd1.png
“I’ve had Rasner pitch two out of three games I’ve been to this season. We won both.”
Heh, nice! Rasner pitched one of the two games I went to (Jake Peavy game), we won Rasners start, and the other game I went to was Phil Hughes’ first start which we won also.
Maybe I’ll bring Rasner some good luck.
I hope someone knocks Youkilis on his Pavano.
Mark: that was my first win of the season.
Previous I’d seen Moose, Wang, Giese (2x) and Joba all on the losing end.
Sidney Ponson and Darrell Rasner were my first two victories.
Funny sport.
Haha, yes, Pavano! It’s so Pavano’d up that they hit A-Rod today. I’m so Pavano pissed.
“I feel like before every start everyone feels Ponson is just going to blow up. The guy deserves the start tomorrow, give the guy a chance. How about his start vs Tampa this year what was it 6ip and 1er, against the 1st place team.”
I don’t think it’s folks being pessimistic at all. I think that, not only is he about the least likable Yankee I could ever imagine, but it’s not like he’s suddenly going to figure out how to be an elite pitcher. The guy’s been in the league for years.
I think we can hold down the fort with what we’ve got at back of the rotation without adding a guy who we then have to keep around next year like Washburn. I also hold no illusions that Sidney Ponson is suddenly going to blossom into a reliable MLB pitcher.
How soon does Willie replace Bobby Pavano Meacham?
I probably wouldn’t do it during the season, but I’d deal Melky and Cano plus another minor leaguer for Zack Greinke and David DeJesus.
Greinke is a young stud and is going to be a very good for a long time. DeJesus is a highlight reel almost every night.
“I hope someone knocks Youkilis on his Pavano.”
There we go. Rolls off the tongue perfectly. Almost as good as “Franklin.”
Yo, CB, any idea where I can see which Yankees’ farmhands were drafted in each year (so I can tell who’s Rule V draft eligible)?
“I probably wouldn’t do it during the season, but I’d deal Melky and Cano plus another minor leaguer for Zack Greinke and David DeJesus.
Greinke is a young stud and is going to be a very good for a long time. DeJesus is a highlight reel almost every night.”
That would be a terrible, terrible idea.
I don’t trust Greinke at all. DeJesus has shown what he’s going to be in this league.
I don’t think I’d take those two for Cano by himself, even.
I’d also rather not acquire Washburn. Yeah, he’s better than either Ponson or Rasner.
But he’s not $10M+ a year better than those guys who would also be guaranteed a spot in the rotation next year.
I don’t like this Washburn move at all. I don’t care if they get him for nothing.
He becomes dead weight on the roster next season if he doesn’t pitch well for one reason or another.
Guiseppe: I don’t see any reason for that deal.
Grienke is good but the Yankees have tons of pitching talent in the system.
DeJesus is good but we’ve got Nady under cost control AND Austin Jackson…not sure where there’s room for it.
Plus, there’s no way we’re trading Canò. When he figures out how to hit in the first half, he’ll win batting titles.
wait so if i want to drop an f-bomb are we gonna go with pavano, farnsworth, or steal franklin?
‘I probably wouldn’t do it during the season, but I’d deal Melky and Cano plus another minor leaguer for Zack Greinke and David DeJesus.
Greinke is a young stud and is going to be a very good for a long time. DeJesus is a highlight reel almost every night.’
Then who plays 2B?
The Yankees don’t need another pitcher – as talented as Greinke or no.
I honestly don’t think there’s a single ML pitcher I’d deal Cano for, without a good 2B replacement in the offing. Cano can anchor that spot for another 8-10 years.
31 men left on bases for the Cardinals
22 left by the Mets yet the Cards won.
Someone Else: Try Baseball America.
That would be a terrible, terrible idea.
I don’t trust Greinke at all. DeJesus has shown what he’s going to be in this league.
No, not really. We already know what Melky is – a fourth outfielder. We’ve seen what Melky can’t do for two years.
DeJesus covers a helluva lot of ground out there. And Greinke is going to be a stud.
“any idea where I can see which Yankees’ farmhands were drafted in each year (so I can tell who’s Rule V draft eligible)?”
Easiest site I’ve seen is the yankees own web site:
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy
Baseball Reference also has draft lists as does the very comprehesive:
http://yankeesprospects.com/
I do understadn getting Washburn. We are going to need a 4th starter for the playoffs, and the guy has the experience we have all seen that first hand, but I just feel Ponson is a better 5th starter then Rasner.
The problem is everyone will call for Sidney’s head tomorrow if he gets killed. Now this is Sunday night baseball, and in Fenway so lets see if Ponson can pitch better then what Rasner did vs the sox this year which was 5ip 10 hits 6er 3 walks and 2k’s.
JoeT: Take your pick.
I don’t trade Cano for anyone. I was saying that even when he was slumping and I stand by that. In order for the Yankees to trade Cano they would have to get an offer including a TOP pitcher – not a top prospect, not a “this guy could end up being very good,” they would need to get offered someone like Haren, or Lincicolm (sp?) for me to trade Cano.
Isn’t Greinke the one that’s had psych problems?
I’m not sure putting a pitcher with anxiety issues significant enough to be noted by BP in pinstripes is necessarily the best idea that anyone has ever had.
Rebecca: you make the farnsworth pick! (don’t take that seriously lol)
nope.. that one’s way too long… I’ll narrow it down to pavano or franklin for you lol
You can find another Second Baseman.
The Yanks need to stack the rotation with as many studs as possible because that will be the great equalizer against a team like the Rays who is only going to get better the next few years.
The single biggest reason why the Yanks had a dynasty is because of the depth in their starting rotation and Mo to shut it down.
I’m not sure putting a pitcher with anxiety issues significant enough to be noted by BP in pinstripes is necessarily the best idea that anyone has ever had.
Hello, Rebecca.
This is Alex Rodriguez. I’ve done okay in NY with two MVPs for the Yanks and I’ve seen plenty of shrinks in my day.
Pavano is a naughty word without even knowing what it’s being used to replace, so I think it’s pretty well suited.
Guiseppe- Greinke broke down, this is nothing like Arod he had some real problems, and had to leave the team for a while. I think he is ok right now, but still the kid had so much bigger problems then arod cheating on his wife.
Cano is hitting .514 since the break I doubt they are dealing him.
Cano is hitting .514 since the break I doubt they are dealing him.
I already said I wouldn’t do something that significant during the season. It would have to wait until the offseason.
I think he is ok right now, but still the kid had so much bigger problems then arod cheating on his wife.
it has nothing to do with whatever problems he had with his wife. I’m talking about the shrinks he saw in 2005 and 2006.
do not deal cano PLEASE
So Washburn’s first start as a Yankee could be only hours after the trade is complete and he has to fly from Toronto to Boston and make his first start on Sunday night vs. the Sox going for a sweep.
You can’t trade Cano. He’s going to be a centerpiece of this team for a very long time. If he can eliminate his early season struggles, which I think eventually he will, he’s going to be an allstar year in and year out. He has so many pluses that I doubt any team would have the resources to acquire him. One thing you have to love about him is he is SO solid. He NEVER gets injured, he never has to be rested, he’s the one guy who you know is going to be playing everyday and isn’t an injury risk.
Trading Cano would be like trading Jeter, circa 1996/1997. Ain’t happening.
I don’t trade him for -any- pitcher. Pitchers have question marks. Pitchers get hurt MUCH more frequently than position players.
Lincecum is a small guy. Now, I don’t honestly think he will end up getting hurt, but the concerns are there.
I’m guessing players drafted in 2004 who were 18 or younger and players drafted in 2005 who were 19 or older are Rule V eligible this year?
Cano and Greinke are both comparable talents.
IMO Who you take really depends on what the other strengths are in your organization.
The Royals are not going to trade Greinke. They are building a pitching staff around him and no way Dayton Moore with his background from Atlanta is going to trade a potential #1 starter.
The Royals strength is talented young position players. They have less pitching. Cano doesn’t make a lot of sense for them.
And a particular issue for the Royals down the line is where does Mike Mustakas play – they paid him a ton of money – money that makes him a player whose future they have to consider when making moves. Mustakas is not a SS and 3b is plugged by Alex Gordon. Many people think Mustakas eventually winds up at 2b.
From the yankees perspective they really don’t have many talented position players. Pitching wins but they really have accumulated a number of guys with true front line potential.
They’re comparable talents so that makes a trade interesting. But the needs of the respective teams are so different that I don’t think it’s a good fit for either.
i woundnt worry about washburn’s spot in the rotation next season. if the past 4 years have taught us anything, its that you need at least 7 good mlb pitchers to make it through the season.
“Cano and Greinke are both comparable talents.
IMO Who you take really depends on what the other strengths are in your organization.”
Definitely true.
If the Royals had Cano and the Yankees had Greinke, that trade could make sense.
As is, the Yankees really have no one comparable to Cano (Jackson is the closest) in position player talent.
so when do they move cano to the #3 spot in the order?
“Cano and Greinke are both comparable talents.”
Not really. Cano is a proven player who has competed for a batting title and is a .300+ career hitter. Greinke looks great at times, but he’s never been superb. Throw Greinke’s mental unstableness in there and he doesn’t nearly have the worth as Cano does.
Thank God they don’t allow hair dressers to become baseball GMs.
GreenBeret7, I have to say, that was classic. I seriously lol’ed.
The Yankees keep pushing to pull off a Jarrod Washburn trade but are unwilling to part with center fielder Austin Jackson.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....5461.story
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Not so sure that we need to give up Jackson, right ?
There are some BIG differences with Cano and Grienke.
Cano can handle playing in NY.
Grienke will crack under the pressure