Game 104: Yankees at Red Sox
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- July
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YANKEES (58-45)
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Nady LF
Cano 2B
Sexson 1B
Cabrera CF
Molina C
Ponson RHP
RED SOX (60-45)
Pedroia 2B
Youkilis 1B
Ortiz DH
Ramirez LF
Lowell 3B
Drew RF
Varitek C
Cora SS
Ellsbury LF
Lester LHP
Sidney Ponson (6-1, 4.02) vs. the Boston hitters.
Jon Lester (8-3, 3.20) vs. the New Yorj hitters.
Here is the Baseball-Reference.com preview.
Notes: The Yankees have won eight straight and 13 of 16. … The Yankees have won four straight against the Red Sox. … The Yankees have outscored teams 49-15 since the break. … Edwar Ramirez has retired 36 of the last 41 hitters he has faced.
STARTERS SINCE THE BREAK: 52.1 innings, 48 hits, 9 ER, 10 walks, 50 strikeouts, 1.55 ERA.
BULLPEN SINCE THE BREAK: 22.2 innings, 13 hits, 4 ER, 8 walks, 33 strikeouts, 1.59 ERA.
OFFENSE SINCE THE BREAK: .307/.397/.461. 49 runs, 46 walks, 46 strikeouts, 27 extra-base hits, 28 of 88 RISP (.318).
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 6:35 p.m.: Several of the Yankees – Derek Jeter, Johnny Damon, Andy Pettitte, Joe Girardi, Jason Giambi and Joba Chamberlain – watched Goose Gossage’s speech at the Hall of Fame induction ceremony in the clubhouse. “It makes you feel good to see him get that honor,” Jeter said. “I thought he did a good job.”
Gossage and Dick Williams both called for George Steinbrenner to be inducted.
Meanwhile it’s pouring at the park and they’re asking fans to take cover because of thunderstorms in the area.
Check out the Globe’s Extra Bases Blog for ” target=”_blank”>the latest on Manny Ramirez. He wants out of Boston, the sooner the better it seems. Huge ramifications for the Yankees, both in terms of how it impacts their rivals and whether they would consider signing him as a free agent.
Here’s what I wonder: Why doesn’t Boston do what the Yankees did with Gary Sheffield? Pick up his option then trade him. That way you dictate what team he goes to. Of course Manny would have to agree to the trade as a 10/5 man and would want compensation for that.
It’s certainly a situation that bears watching.
UPDATE, 7:19 p.m.: It has stopped raining. The tarp is still on the field, however. The skies don’t look good.
UPDATE, 7:41 p.m.: Tarp is coming off now.
UPDATE, 7:55 p.m.: OK, the tarp is back on and the game will not start on time. No word on when the start time will be, if at all. Another band of storms are in the area, apparently.
UPDATE, 8:26 p.m.: Game time will be around 9.
UPDATE, 9:00 p.m.: OK, we’re about to get underway.
UPDATE, 9:14 p.m.: Sir Sidney got shelled in his start at Fenway for the Yankees, giving up seven runs over three innings on Aug. 18, 2006. He was DFA’d shortly after. The same could happen tonight.
UPDATE, 9:17 p.m.: Four batters, three rockets. Ponson needs to get his act together fast.
UPDATE, 9:20 p.m.: Manny blows through the stop signs and scores easily. The Yankees are going to have to find a way to pound Lester – which is certainly possible – if they are to sweep the series. We’re looking at a little Ponson and a whole lot of Dan Giese tonight.
UPDATE, 9:54 p.m.: Manny is flat-crazy and drives the Red Sox management crazy. But the guy can absolutely hit. All of the stuff that went on today and he’s 2 for 2 with two doubles and an RBI. In the end, talent is what matters.
UPDATE, 10:11 p.m.: This game has a definite “we’ve won eight in a row, you can’t win them all” feel for the Yankees. Ponson is getting ripped and they’re already 0 for 6 with RISP and have struck out five times.
They start a seven-game homestand tomorrow and at worse they’re three games out of first. Anything can happen at this park but down 5-0, the Yankees appear ready to warm up the bus.
UPDATE, 10:18 p.m.: You could see this Ponson performance coming down the Massachusetts Turnpike like a speeding truck.
Here’s what you do: Leave him out there to suck up three more innings, DFA him tomorrow and trade for Jarrod Washburn. The Yankees were lucky they got what they did out of Ponson. His record is (and was with Texas) totally deceiving.
UPDATE, 10:26 p.m.: It is Fenway Park, anything is possible. The Red Sox still have to 15 outs.
UPDATE, 10:32 p.m.: A couple of singles and a walk and suddenly Alex can change the game with one swing.
UPDATE, 10:33 p.m.: Or not. This would be a good time for Xavier Nady to get his first hit for the Yankees.
UPDATE, 10:35 p.m.: Nady is now 0 for 6. The Yankees are missing their shot here.
UPDATE, 10:44 p.m.: Here is what Ponson has done in his last eight starts:
42.2 innings, 67 hits, 29 ER, 18 walks, 6 HR. That’s a 6.12 ERA. The Yankees can’t keep running him out there every five days. You can get away with Rasner or Ponson, not both. Keep Rasner, DFA Ponson, trade for Washburn, keep Kennedy ready.
UPDATE, 11:09 p.m.: Time to get Jose Molina a little rest, no?
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hopefully the weather stays clear
So according to Baseball Reference, the only player Ponson can safely pitch to tonight is Mike Lowell?
I know I’m not the only one getting tired of rain outs of games that could have been played had the tv stations, usually ESPN being the guilty party, not opted to push the game back to a night start.
I like this line up.
It will do well against Lester.
Tampa is losing.
If we win, we will be leading the WC (percentage points) and just two behind in the Division:)
I love how ESPN broadcasts go. Something like this everytime.Miller: I am Jon Miller and uhh I am joined by Joe.. umm Joe Morgan and he is a hall of famer as you know. Morgan: Hey Jon we are here today to watch the WORLD CHAMPION BOSTON RED SOX who if you didnt know won it all last year. Miller: Yes Joe it was amazing how they swept the WORLD SERIES. Morgan: They truly are the best I cannot remember a team who has dominated an era as much as they have. Miller: What about the Yankees in the 1990s. Morgan: Well they were good but these RED SOX are way better. Miller: You know what Joe, your right! Lets sound it out to Peter Gammons in the Sox clubhouse. Gammons: Well Joe and Jon the Red Sox are just the best team ever in the history of sports ever!! They just exude the qualitites of a championship team. Miller: How so? Gammons: Well Jon its silly that you need to ask that, they are classy, well kempt, media friendly, and are held together by their glue ALL STAR CATCHER the captain Jason Varitek, he is by far the best catcher in baseball for what he does in the locker-room who cares if he is batting .200 or throwing out only 15 percent of runners he deserves to be a hall of famer! Miller: Thanks for that fair and unbiased analysis Peter, when we come back first pitch here on NESPN… I mean ESPN. That is exactly how it goes everytime it makes me sick.
So like I said expect Manny to be traded this week.
I’m not sure but wouldn’t you want Cano batting behind A-Rod seeing that he is soooo HOTT.
Phillips is going to broadcast today.
Interesting to see his crocodile tears when he has to say Yankees are players for the playoffs
He always maintained that Yanks have no chance.
Al you are missing the boat just slightly. Usually Joe Morgan goes on and on about how the Yankees weren’t as good as his Reds, especially during 1998 and in the playoffs – he would not shut up about how the Yankees weren’t as good as the Big Red Machine.
“I’m not sure but wouldn’t you want Cano batting behind A-Rod seeing that he is soooo HOTT.”
Lester is too tough on lefties.
That is why Nady in 5th Slot and big G to the bench.
“Phillips is going to broadcast today.
Interesting to see his crocodile tears when he has to say Yankees are players for the playoffs
He always maintained that Yanks have no chance.”
Just like the rest of his NESPN buddies Phillips is a disgrace, 1st he was a failure as a GM and now he si a failure as a sportscaster. However he keeps his job because he hates the Yankees and after all thet is the sole agenda of ESPN.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3507249
Yes, Cano should be hitting behind A-Rod. He’s unbelievably hot right now, and add on to that he’s batting .600 off Lester, he absolutely should be behind A-Rod.
Oh yeah good point but I think Cano is batting lefties better than righties…I’m not sure but I think he is.
Sexson hits one over everything in left tonight.
“http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3507249”
“I don’t care where I play, I can even play in Iraq if need be. My job is to play baseball.”
– Manny Ramirez
Hands down greatest quote of all time? I think so.
6-1 kc f
I think he’s heading to Philly come the deadline. Manny’s friends saids it’s close to NY and Charlie likes him.
ponson keep us in the game
Manny off the Sox is like Christmas in July.
Brandon,
You think Manny goes to the Mets? I do. I think Omar will deal Boston Sanchez or Heilman and then a bunch of prospects not named Martinez for Manny.
I know you thought Philly, but Philly is also notoriously cheap and I think Manny is going to hold up the deal to have his extensions guaranteed which I think the Mets might do if they don’t have to give up Martinez.
Well I wouldn’t mind seing Manny in Philly. Out of the AL and being able to hurt the Mets, its a Win-Win situation =]
Sir Sidney will have a quality game today and Aruba will consider promoting him to Lord Sidney
And, all the people who doubt him in this blog will stop doing it. If we win today, we would have won every game he started. No other strater on yanks can claim that distinction
:) 
Do you think there’s any chance of Manny getting traded to the Iraqi baseball squad? Do they have enough prospects to offer for him?
al i agree 100%. if manny can go to a NL team we don’t have to deal with him anymore (except in interleague play) that would be like christmas in july
Question for late 70s yankees afficionado’s. In Goose’s HOF speech he did not mention Billy Martin at all and mentioned almost every other Yankee involved with those teams. Martin we all know was hard on everyone but did he and Goose have a particularly bad relationship??
Quite frankly I want Manny on any team not named the Red Sox. If he goes to the Mets who cares that head case could never survive on this side of town. However I think he will be a great role-model for Reyes and some of the other young guys.
“So like I said expect Manny to be traded this week.”
They’ll be selling low if they do – I was surprised to see a report that the Mets aren’t hot for Manny. It would seem to be a good fit for Minaya.
As long as he doesn’t end up at the LA Angels (really unlikely) I think the Yanks benefit greatly from a Manny trade.
G Love I don’t see the Mets getting him at all. (unless they deal F-Mart and Heilman and Niese), the Red Sox will waive him around Philly can get him for Gholson and Burrell if they want to do a trade for trade. (headache for headache) I know one thing I don’t at all expect Manny to be in Boston after this week.
The Mets said they’re not in the mix for Manny. Which means, of course, they’re in the mix for Manny.
Hey Peter. Looks like your finally giving Edwar some credit….
Tampa lost. Yanks only 2.5 out. If they win tonight they can cut it to 2.
I thought the Phillies were too cheap to make that kind of deal – he is going to have to restructure and extend his contract so it is 3-4 years.
I don’t see how it gets done from a money point of view.
Oh that Manny..
I heard the Fighting Sultans of the Iraqi Baseball League (IBL) Are offering their “Ace” Amud Samad Badinjad Sheik Muhhamad Patell for Manny Ramirez.
The k is right next to the j.
Samardjzia in the game now on TBS.
I don’t see how it gets done from a money point of view.
It’s easy the Red Sox are in contention losing Manny would hurt that team, just like having Gardner as an everyday w/ Molina hurt our offense.
Philly has been thinking of getting rid of Pat Burrell since he whines about not playing LF when he stinks defensively, Burrell plus prospects for Manny would be viewed as an improvement w/o losing much in contract value.
The Mets would have to decide Beltran or F-MArt and if it is F-Mart it would have to be a bigger package to get it done. That’s why I think Philly gets him.
Fran,
If we win tonight, we’ll pick up a game on LAA, Boston, and TB. I’m not satisfied unless we gain in the standings. Not taking advantage of contender losses is like Livan leaving uneaten innings. Unacceptable.
Who could Philly give Boston in return? Boston cannot win anything without that guy, and I think Boston will show that for them winning is more important than getting rid of that idiot. They`ll keep him.
That Iraq comment by Manny is pretty hilarious. I can’t wait until he’s traded, because that’s one less Yankees’ killer waiting on deck.
I think the Yanks will struggle against Lester he has emerged as the guy on the Boston staff.
I love how ESPN broadcasts go. Something like this everytime.Miller: I am Jon Miller and uhh I am joined by Joe.. umm Joe Morgan and he is a hall of famer as you know. Morgan: Hey Jon we are here today to watch the WORLD CHAMPION BOSTON RED SOX who if you didnt know won it all last year. Miller: Yes Joe it was amazing how they swept the WORLD SERIES. Morgan: They truly are the best I cannot remember a team who has dominated an era as much as they have. Miller: What about the Yankees in the 1990s. Morgan: Well they were good but these RED SOX are way better. Miller: You know what Joe, your right! Lets sound it out to Peter Gammons in the Sox clubhouse. Gammons: Well Joe and Jon the Red Sox are just the best team ever in the history of sports ever!! They just exude the qualitites of a championship team. Miller: How so? Gammons: Well Jon its silly that you need to ask that, they are classy, well kempt, media friendly, and are held together by their glue ALL STAR CATCHER the captain Jason Varitek, he is by far the best catcher in baseball for what he does in the locker-room who cares if he is batting .200 or throwing out only 15 percent of runners he deserves to be a hall of famer! Miller: Thanks for that fair and unbiased analysis Peter, when we come back first pitch here on NESPN… I mean ESPN. That is exactly how it goes everytime it makes me sick.
I hate when people say this. They’re not that bad. It’s better than Tim McCarver, SNY, TBS, etc.,I like hearing their voices every few weeks when the Yankees get the Sunday night game, and I just don’t see the blatant Boston Bias like everyone else does. Peter Gammons is a Red Sox fan, but he calls it like he sees it for the most part, and can you blame people for talking about the Red Sox so much? They’ve won 2 world series in 4 years after not winning for 86 years. You want the announcers to pretend like they don’t know the story?
I agree with Yankee Lover,
They’ll shop him with a ridiculous asking price and then Theo will say he couldn’t find the right fit.
This is Samardzija’s second outing. He blew the game in his first appearance (way to go, Lou). He got 3 easy outs just now, but he appears to be a thrower, not a pitcher yet. Very raw.
But the crowd loves him. Just like we love Joba.
Mel,
LOL. Thanks for point out about LAA. Didn’t relaize they lost today.
About Goose and Billy: the one thing that sticks in my mind is that when Billy was hired (yet again) in 1983, Goose’s quoted reaction was “Bor-ing”. Evidently not a big fan.
I think the Yanks will batter the Green Monster off of Lester tonight. Last time they saw him was their low point and when Joe G. read them the riot act. That fact combined with having seen him recently, and adding two guy who kill lefties should help create a looooong or very short night for Lester.
I agree, the Yankees need to win tonight, one bozo last night was saying today was a house money game because we won the series. Excuse me? We’re still not in either the division or wild card lead. So winning a game tonight is very important especially when it is head to head with a team in front of us in the standings. Plus keep the momentum going. It’s one thing to say winning two of three coming into the series is good enough, but when you’ve won the first two, finishing 0-1 in the last game is not good. It’s not like the Yankees are in first place in cruise control mode, every game is important, especially when it is vs. a team ahead of you.
Hey, good point, Mel.
I expressed a similar sentiment in the previous thread.
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With the Yankees playing as well as they have since the break, I hate to dissent from the prevailing optimism, but has anyone compared the schedules of the Rays, Sox, and Yankees for August and September.
Yankees Republic E-mailed me this earlier today, so you can blame him.
“While the Yankees have two West Coast road trips remaining– road trips in which they play the Angels for three-games in each– the Red Sox have completed the last of their trips to the Pacific. The Yankees, in fact, have 10 games remaining against the Angels, the Red Sox 3. Tampa, on the other hand, has one West Coast road-trip remaining but plays only at Seattle and at Oakland. They host their three games remaining against the Angels.â€
My god, I had no idea the Yankees schedule was so onerous down the stretch.
I’d figured tonight was gravy; it isn’t. The Yankees need to deliver a kill-shot to one or both of their East rivals ASAP.
My only hope is that the Angels, having clinched a playoff spot, send Lackey to the DL to rest, and do likewise with their other wounded
“one bozo last night was saying today was a house money game”
That would be the “certified genius”, according to most of the people here, SJ44.
Goose had a lot of different managers with the Yankees. He had Martin for part of `78, but won with Lemon. Then he had Martin again, then Dick Howser, then Lemon, Gene Michael, Lemon again, Clyde King etc. then Billy again. He never won anything with Billy, and he didn’t really mention any of the Yankee managers he had.
BTW Fernando Martinez’s stock just dropped he again got hurt, same injury as Tabata.
Should I expect a game tonight? =/
this game is a must win for the sole fact that we got absolutely dismantled by lester last time out.
I love how ESPN broadcasts go. Something like this everytime.Miller: I am Jon Miller and uhh I am joined by Joe.. umm Joe Morgan and he is a hall of famer as you know. Morgan: Hey Jon we are here today to watch the WORLD CHAMPION BOSTON RED SOX who if you didnt know won it all last year. Miller: Yes Joe it was amazing how they swept the WORLD SERIES. Morgan: They truly are the best I cannot remember a team who has dominated an era as much as they have. Miller: What about the Yankees in the 1990s. Morgan: Well they were good but these RED SOX are way better. Miller: You know what Joe, your right! Lets sound it out to Peter Gammons in the Sox clubhouse. Gammons: Well Joe and Jon the Red Sox are just the best team ever in the history of sports ever!! They just exude the qualitites of a championship team. Miller: How so? Gammons: Well Jon its silly that you need to ask that, they are classy, well kempt, media friendly, and are held together by their glue ALL STAR CATCHER the captain Jason Varitek, he is by far the best catcher in baseball for what he does in the locker-room who cares if he is batting .200 or throwing out only 15 percent of runners he deserves to be a hall of famer! Miller: Thanks for that fair and unbiased analysis Peter, when we come back first pitch here on NESPN… I mean ESPN. That is exactly how it goes everytime it makes me sick.
Haha very true
The Cubs are treating J-Sam (tired of typing it out) just like Joba.
He’s in to finish a 9-6 game.
And a great, great catch by Edmonds preserves the perfect outing for J-Sam’s first ML save.
I understand why people think this is an important game tonight, but I have to agree with whoever said tonight’s game is a house money game. I know it’s sacrilegious to be ok with the Yankees losing to the Sox but here are my reasons:
1. They already won the series. How many of you were praying for 2 out of three before Friday? I know I was.
2. Yes TB lost and they are playing Boston. But there is never a good time to win a game. If those two teams lose then the Yankees have to win to gain ground. If those teams win the Yankees have to win to keep up. They aren’t going to win every game from now on, so they will gain a game, lose a game, here and there.
3. Although he’s pitched well, we have Ponson vs. Lester. The match-up favors Boston. If we win, that’s amazing, but I don’t think it’s a disaster if they lose.
Its not a must win game tonight. Its a house money game.
The Red Sox have the best home record in baseball this year and you guys think a sweep is a “must”?
Really, get a clue about baseball before you start namecalling.
2 out of 3 is perfect. Sure, a win would be nice but, as I said earlier, I’d rather lose tonight and win the Orioles series, than win tonight, have a Boston Hangover, and lose another home series to the Orioles.
They aren’t going to go undefeated the rest of the year. I’d rather lose a game after a series win, than any other time the rest of the way.
no one will be joba
The whole ‘house money’ issue is pointless – The players are going to try to win the game just like they try to win every game.
It is just a perception issue that allowed a bunch of people to take a whack at SJ, which seems to be considered a great use of blogspace by a ton of people.
Walking around the city the last two afternoons, I noticed but one person in a Sox t-shirt.
Where’d they all go?
Or, the Yankees could lose tonight, thus setting themselves on an eight-game losing streak. I don’t fully appreciate the benefits of losing tonight.
SJ44, you play with the houses money when you’re 5 games up in the division and you’re winning a road series.
You can’t afford to surrender a game to Boston because Ponson is pitching, and don’t worry, they won’t surrender it.
What does losing tonight have to do with winning the Orioles series? If they sweep this series they can’t win the Orioles series? That’s news to me.
Don’t expect Ponson to stick around long if he’s not pitching well tonight. They’ll get Giese in there right away. They want to make the move NOW, not in the last two weeks of the season where you can run into bad luck.
When you have the Red Sox on the ropes, you need to take advantage. The Red Sox had the Yankees on the ropes the entire first half of the season, and they failed to take advantage. Now they see that it’s going to prove costly.
Travis,
Nobody said there is a benefit to losing tonight’s game. All we’re saying is that this is not a “must win” game tonight.
Are we playing the drinking game tonight ?
Brandon,
Which drinking game? I think the Brett Gardner game has run it’s course.
It will turn out to have been a “must-win” game tonight if the Yankees find themselves one game behind Boston with zero to play.
“He got 3 easy outs just now, but he appears to be a thrower, not a pitcher yet. Very raw.”
I saw highlights of his Sam’s first appearance (same day that Charlie Weiss sang take me out to the ball game – coincidence)
It looked like his fastball had a lot of movement on it and was in the high 90’s. It also was great how he airmailed the pitchout all the way to the brick wall.
The players are playing with a sense of urgency. They’ll try to take every game.
Win or lose tonight, they’ll try to take the series from the O’s.
A win tonight puts us past Boston, the players play it one game at a time.
And thank goodness games aren’t won on paper. We actually have a chance, if they can take the field.
Looks like two systems are sandwiching Boston.
Yankees do have a tough schedule, 10 games against the Angels, 4 against the White Sox, and more games on the road than at home, including the last 3 games of the season in Boston.
They have only two days off in September- the 11th following their west coast trip and 22nd following a homestand before they end the season away at Toronto and Boston. If it’s rained out tonight, it would be a shame, considering the roll we are on.
That schedule is the reason why, with their improved play that Cashman and the Steinbrenners are going all out. Getting Washburn for the stretch run can’t hurt. How many of our starters are going to go through the “dead arm” period in August or September.
Brandon –
How many drinks when Youk gets plunked by Sir Sidney and the benches clear?
Yes I agree winning two of three is great and 2 days ago I would have thought that was great, however the reality is they won the first two and the Red Sox are down, good teams take advantage on their opponents when they are down. They lose tonight and they are still 2 back of Boston, a win tonight and they are tied with Boston. Add in the psychological damage to Boston of sweeping in Bostonand beating it’s best two starters it would be the biggest game to win of the season to this point.
Some people just accept mediocrity I guess. Either that or they are apologists before the fact. Not only do I think the game tonight is important, I think the Yankees will win it and this discussion will seem even sillier.
This is not a must win game but this is certainly not a house money game either. Like someone else, house money games are for teams who are up big in their division, not a team like the Yankees who are still trailing the Red Sox and Tampa. Coupled that with the fact that Tampa lost today, this is certainly a game the Yankees should make every attempt to win.
well obviously its not a must win because its not a clinching game
but the importance of this game is high as it will bring us into a first place tie for the Wild Card and a 2nd place Tie for the AL East only 2 GB.
Isn’t that magical thinking, SJ44? I don’t know about you or more importantly the players, but I have a hangover after a Red Sox-Yankees series, win, lose, or split.
Opting for a loss tonight doesn’t ensure one tomorrow nor winning tonight diminish the likelihood of repeating the feat.
The Baseball Gods don’t punish greed.
To the contrary, winning and losing are contagious.
The Red Sox are a vulnerable, wounded animal right now.
Their bullpen is reeling. Manny’s festering injury has spread vitriol like a disease that threatens to engulf the entire organization in rancor. Trade rumors swirl. The Boston press and fan base is suffering another bout of Yankees terror that two world championships this decades has yet to cure.
Deliver the kill-shot while the body still bleeds. Then we can go feast on Bird.
Shots for every time they mention Nady or Manny. We’ll all be passed out.
This game does become a must win, if you finish one loss out. Just the same as the next game, and next game etc on and on.
Ask any yankee player and they will explain nicely I’m sure the approach has to be must win, at every game. Though we all know all can never be won, The must win attitude must be completely ingrained and chased.
anything less is amateur at best. doesn’t belong in mlb.
How many drinks when Youk gets plunked by Sir Sidney and the benches clear?
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DFox is absolutely right!!! Said it all.
How can the sage SJ44 even suggest that tonight’s game will affect the outcome of the O’s series? That is ludicrous, especially coming from one who is suposedly beyond reproach.
I think the Red Sox would love to trade Manny this week, but won’t find the return for him enough.
I actually think we will sweep tongiht, but as a great Yankee fan said…
” Two out of three aint bad ”
Of course thats the great Meatloaf!
The “how many runs Ponson gives up” Drinking game?
The “Manny being Manny” drinking game?
The “How many times is Mike Francesa muttering the name of Bronson Arroyo while watching this game?” Drinking game?
Whatever it is..I’m down
It’s amazing how people read into what other people write. So far, I have not read one post where anybody said that the Yankees should lose, that they should not go 100% tonight, that they should not try everything in their power to win, that a win tonight wouldn’t be a great thing. Nobody said a win tonight means a series loss against the O’s.
If you’re going to respond, please read carefully.
I think you’re being unrealistic if you’re putting expections that they MUST sweep tonight.
They’re going to go out there and try to win because they’re athletes, BUT if they don’t – its hardly the end of the world either.
No one is expecting the Yankees to sit down tonight just because they won two. Certainly the Yankees are not going to do that. It’s just the overall feeling that having already taken the series, IF they don’t win tonight,it’s not the end of the world. Sheesh, guys.
A win also helps the series record. You want to be on the inside looking out if we end up tied with either Tampa or Boston.
Also if we finish with a sweep IN Boston and the LAA are coming in town for them tommorrow, this is a perfect setup for a horrid meltdown for the redsox.
“How can the sage SJ44 even suggest that tonight’s game will affect the outcome of the O’s series? That is ludicrous, especially coming from one who is suposedly beyond reproach.”
Umm because it has in the past?
They put all their efforts into the Boston series, and then play hungover for a few days after the series. I can’t be the only one who recalls the bitching that goes on around here when that has happened, can I?
“The “how many runs Ponson gives up†Drinking game?
The “Manny being Manny†drinking game?
The “How many times is Mike Francesa muttering the name of Bronson Arroyo while watching this game?†Drinking game?”
The Farnsy is coming out of the bullpen and I can barely watch game
Eric VA,
SJ44 said he’d rather have the Yankees lose tonight and take the O’s series than win tonight and lose the O series.
Some of us are just saying we’ll take a win tonight and take the series against the O’s.
That’s all.
2 out 3 isn’t mediocrity Jeff.
Unless of course, you think a .667 winning % is mediocore.
If they win, great. If they lose, its not the end of the world, given the results of the weekend. That’s my point.
The fans think the Red Sox are “wounded” animals. They aren’t.
They have Lester going tonight, who has been their best pitcher for the last 6 weeks. They still are a very good team.
The Manny stuff? You think this is the first time they have had to deal with Manny? Its old news to this group.
You suffer from what most younger fans suffer from….thinking the only games that matter on the schedule are Red Sox games. It doesn’t work that way.
As I have said over and over, its about winning series. The Yankees keep winning series and everything else takes care of itself.
Come on thunderstorms! THis rain out would be a blessing in disguise- pick up a 1/2 game on the Rays and skip Sir Sidney in the rotation while the Yanks get out of town to play Baltimore tomorrow.
Thats a pathetic hope Rusty. A rain out would be the worst thing for a team on such a roll
Mel,
I’d love for them to win tonight and then sweep the O’s. I’m sure SJ would too. All he’s saying (and I agree) is we’d rather lose tonight and win 2 or 3 against Baltimore than win tonight and then lose 2 against the O’s.
Given the choice, wouldn’t you choose that as well? That’s all we’re saying.
EricVA
“I’d rather lose tonight and win the Orioles series, than win tonight, have a Boston Hangover, and lose another home series to the Orioles.”
This quote implies a win tonight will result in a loss of a home series to the Orioles.
“If you’re going to respond, please read carefully”
Your quote implies that you do read carefully. I think not so much!
What does losing tonight have to do with winning the Orioles series? If they sweep this series they can’t win the Orioles series? That’s news to me.
You need to do the research on this because it’s absolutely true.
The Yanks often have what we call a “Boston Hangover” because they – for whatever reason – come down from their emotional lift against the Red Sox and don’t play well against a lesser team following that series.
It has happened numerous times over the years. Hell, it happened in the World Series against the Marlins – a team they certainly should have beat.
This is not something SJ just made up.
Why don’t you do this troll….go back and look at how the Yankees have played the last 3 years after Red Sox series.
Try checking out how many times they played poorly after Red Sox series. The team themselves talk about not having a “Boston Hangover” after these series.
You want to feel like a tough guy taking shots at me, be my guest.
At least have a clue about baseball when you do though.
Nobody is saying the players are going to lay down or anything like that.
All I am saying is, its important to win series from hereon out.
That’s it. If you have a hard time understanding that, perhaps your mommy can explain it to you when she serves you your milk and cookies tonight.
I was never a superstitious type of girl so I feel fine in saying that the Yankees will sweep tonight. Even though Lester is on the mound. This team wont be owned by a 24-year-old guy again. It only takes one game to switch around the Lester Vs Yankees saga. It could very well be tonight. He better not embarrass us again. But this is a different team both player wise and mental wise so that wont happen again. I’m sure it won’t.
“The “how many runs Ponson gives up†Drinking game?
The “Manny being Manny†drinking game?
The “How many times is Mike Francesa muttering the name of Bronson Arroyo while watching this game?†Drinking game?â€
The “how many baserunners Ponson strands tonight” drinking game
The “how many times NESPN shows a Jon Lester no-hitter highlight or speaks of it” drinking game
The “how many swinging K’s will Varitek have tonight” drinking game
The “how many times Youk swears at the plate or in the dugout” drinking game
The “how many times will NESPN bring in Gammons to express his intense man love for Jacoby I can’t hit a ball to the warning track Ellsbury” drinking game
Logic and faith beat history!!!
There’s a chance they don’t even play tonight. But of course, they’ll make the players wait around long enough for them to get out of town really late.
Baltimore tomorrow for three than LA for four at home, then it’s a tough stretch away to Texas, LA,Minnesota.
Tampa lost, we need a W.
Bombshell –
I think the ‘John Lester no-hitter” showings/mentionings game has the potential to be the most potent drinking game!
Peter, I never knew New Yorj was a city?
Hey, SJ44, why let these guys get to you, man? Ignore them.
This blog prides itself on heated, but typically civil, debate.
Anyone who contributes here regularly knows enough to respect SJ44’s knowledge about the game and his inside dope.
If you don’t and you take pot-shots at him beside, then you’re a fool, not worth the dignity of a response.
philips joins the crew brutal…
Who comes on this board 2 year Yankeee fans or 7 year olds… I never heard of crap like IF WE WIN TODAY THAT MEANS WE WILL LOSE A GAME AT HOME… lmao… What does one game at Fenway have to do with us losing at Yankee Stadium.. Why is this even a discussion?
I like that the moved Moose to tomorrow to head off any bad start against the O’s.
I love blog arguments that are completely meaningless, and I guee I started it bringing up the house money quote, oh well killed some time before game time. I think we can all agree that:
1. Winning two out of every three would be outstanding.
2. Winning tonight would be great.
3. Boston has a very good pitcher going tonight.
4. A loss tonight is not the end of the world.
The only difference I would say is the “House Money” concept is really a concept for a team in playoff position. I feel until they are in the lead, their are no house money games. Go Yankees.
“The Yanks often have what we call a “Boston Hangover†because they – for whatever reason – come down from their emotional lift against the Red Sox and don’t play well against a lesser team following that series.”
lolol. You don’t get it. Either does SJ44.
What does winning TONIGHT have to do with a “Boston Hangover”?? If they are going to have a “Boston Hangover”, they’ll have it either way. What, if they lose tonight they’ll have a team meeting and decide to not go with the “Boston Hangover” this time since they lost the last game against the Sox? Do you realize how asinine that sounds? It’s almost the most absurd baseball thinking I’ve ever heard.
Lose the game tonight – no “Boston Hangover”, because that’s only 2/3
Win tonight – that’s 3/3, “Boston Hangover” time!!
Accepting a loss tonight so that we can be prepared and focused for the orioles series is not rationale
what would you rather
win tonight, lose 2 of 3 to orioles=2-2
or
lose tonight, win 2 of 3 against orioles=2-2
I understand we can’t win every game, and yes it is nice to have already won this series, but tonights game shouldn’t have any effect on the baltimore series
How about “Lester had cancer” drinking game?
Yawn
So, does anybody think the Sox take another shot at A-Rod or Jeter if the game isn’t close?
LMAO I AM MORE AMAZED BY EVERY POST!
thanks for the heads up on the baseball reference previews – I didn’t know they did those now! VERY cool thing to check out.
The whole “hangover effect” or letdown happens in every sport. It’s not just the Yanks after a Red Sox series.
It happens a lot in football as well. A team wins a huge game against a big rival or the like and they lose the next week against a team they should have beaten.
Don’t forget the Boston Massacre II of 2006. The Yanks went into Fenway and hammered the Red Sox for 5 games.
They immediately went to Seattle and LA and lost something like 5 of 6 the following week.
Liriano taking on Scranton/Wilks tonight
Looking forward to his numbers
“I think the ‘John Lester no-hitter†showings/mentionings game has the potential to be the most potent drinking game!”
For sure, also:
The “how many times will NESPN show the AL East standings while highlighting Tampa Bay’s name in white and using the words ‘surprising’ and ‘amazing’ when talking about them” drinking game
The “how many at-bats will Manny lift the stick off his shoulder” drinking game
The “how many attempts will Joe Morgan make in comparing the Big Red Machine to the ‘current Sox dynasty’” drinking game
The “how many times will Gammons insist that Brian Cashman is a thief” drinking game
The “how many seconds will Phillips take on BBTN to say something positive about the Yankees’ winning streak” drinking game
Boston Hangover—> 2003 World Series
SJ44
You are getting rather cranky now that you have been cornered and attacked by many on your statements about win/lose tonught.
You cannot deny what you said, you are not defending it, you are taking an entirely different position now.
You are resorting to name calling and attempted ridicule.
You are the one who is acting like a spoiled brat and it’s not working.
A loss tonight will be a 2 game differnce, e.g behind Sox by 2 rather then virtual tie ! Now perhaps you should bone up on some baseball or basic arithmetic.
My name is the result of my disagreements with you. If anyone refutes your arguments they “Must be a Troll”.
Welecome back SJ44..I see you have already stirred up the kiddies…..A sweep in Fenway would be beyond anyone’s expectations going into this series….The first order of business is always to win the 3 game set and anything else is gravy…..Actually I though Jobe besting Beckett set this all up…But tonights game has become rather big as someone pointed out it’s the difference of being tied or two back….That puts a significant light on tonights game….Beating Lester would go along way, however that being said as good as this streak has been, a loss would not be as devestating since they have banked two wins already…..Keep winning series’s and the Eastern Division will be a run away…...Glad to see you back….For the record I thought Cashman made a solid trade….
“How about “Lester had cancer†drinking game?”
Even the toughest iron-man couldn’t get through that one tonight.
Guiseppe Franco, according to your logic, we should all be upset today that the Yankees won last night. After all, they already won the series because of that, so now we have a major problemo.
Guys, this is bad. The Yankees made a huge mistake yesterday, winning the series. Too bad we can’t hop in the time machine and pitch Kei Igawa yesterday to prevent the Boston Hangover. Well, we tried, but we just couldn’t take the loss yesterday.
DFox,
I’m not suggesting tonight’s result has anything to do with the Orioles series.
But the Yanks do often suffer a hangover effect whenever they play the Red Sox.
History has proved that.
Look guys, the O’s are in not in the WC picture right now. Boston is. The team will want to take this game because it helps in the standings and helps the series record against the Sox.
If we win, they’ll try to win tomorrow. (losing the first game of the series is nothing new to this year’s team so there’s little to be read by a loss tomorrow)
If we lose, they’ll try to win tomorrow.
Play today, win today. Play tomorrow, win tomorrow. Easy!
We are on a 8 game winning streak, WIN WIN WIN
oooh wow its aceves vs lirano. I wish i could watch that
“But the Yanks do often suffer a hangover effect whenever they play the Red Sox.”
Then what point are you trying to prove? No one said it’s impossible that they suffer a “hangover”. We are saying that them getting a hangover or not has NOTHING to do with tonight’s game. Some people were saying/implying it does, which is just plain silly.
Eric VA –
The 2003 WS was the ULTIMATE Boston Red Sox series win hangover!!!!!
How about the “Brett Farve mentioned on ESPN” drinking game?
That hangover even affected the fans – at least in my mind. I actually convinced myself and Ii think to some extent I still do believe that beating the Red Sox was more important than beating the Marlins. Certainly the Red Sox was the more formidable team, and that series took EVERYTHING out of both the team and the fans!
“How about the “Brett Farve mentioned on ESPN†drinking game?”
Wow you really love throwdowns lol
Joe Torre was managing all those team that had ‘Hangovers”, so let’s hope the Yanks win tonite and see if that “hangover effect” has any credence with Joe Giardi’s team.
Guiseppe Franco, according to your logic, we should all be upset today that the Yankees won last night. After all, they already won the series because of that, so now we have a major problemo.
My logic isn’t suggesting anything outside of a hangover effect immediately following a Yanks-Red Sox series.
But you don’t really have any common sense so I wouldn’t expect you to understand a simple concept.
I never said anything about tonight’s result having any effect on the Orioles series.
Pete, you wrote:
“Jon Lester (8-3, 3.20) vs. the New Yorj hitters.”
Just a small typo I figured I’d help you out.
Any way, can’t we all agree that we’d all LOVE for the Yankees to win tonight?
“Wow you really love throwdowns lol”
Drinking games are my specialty.
Does anyone know where you can stream coverage of AAA SWB games? =/
How about the “Brett Farve mentioned on ESPN†drinking game?
My liver might cry with that game
I think we can ALL agree that a win tonight>loss tonight. If you think elsewise than something is wrong.
Last time after we played the Sox, we beat the Rays two straight.
DFox and Mel –
Thank you for your intelligence!
I can’t believe others continue to insist on this hangover crap as a reason why we should accept a loss tonight.
Mariano Duncan : “We play today, we win today !”
Evolution, go to http://www.whtk.com and click Listen Live.
Doreen,
Win or lose, we’ll all be hungover after this.
How many of those hangovers resulted after playing at 8:00 pm on a freaking getaway day?
I don’t see a reason why a loss to the team we’re tied with in the loss column and one game behind can be good… Go Yankees – put the sox in their place and let them know where they stand – SECOND TO US
Guiseppe Franco, do you not even remember what you said a few posts before?
I said:
“What does losing tonight have to do with winning the Orioles series? If they sweep this series they can’t win the Orioles series? That’s news to me.”
And you said: “You need to do the research on this because it’s absolutely true.”
Again, I said how can you think the Yankeees can’t win the Orioles series if they sweep this one, and you responded with that. “It’s absolutely true”...
mel –
Ain’t that the truth!
And add the inevitable rain delays tonight and I sure hope there’s no extra innings.
Moose was moved up to keep him on his regular rest…but it doesn’t hurt that he has been the Yankees most consistent starter this year and it could, potentially, get him an extra start towards the end of the year.
The guy has won 19 games, but never 20. Might this be his year?
Either way after a “boston hangover” we still get to play the Os w. Moose and they get to play a series against the angels who just had swept them. I like our odds to move up even more in the standings.
I don’t think we will see him in the majors this year, but anyone feel Melancon will go to AAA soon?
Today he went 3ip 2 hits 0 er 0 walks and 4k’s. Kid has 1.81 era in Trenton.
thank you a lot travis.
“I can’t believe others continue to insist on this hangover crap as a reason why we should accept a loss tonight.”
I know, right? Because the Yankees have had some bad series after beating up on the Sox, we should all of a sudden attribute that to what we want to happen tonight. Pure stupidity. I can’t believe people actually buy into that crap.
This board was great early on last season…I hope it can get back to that level of baseball discussion someday.
DFox,
My point was that the concept of a hangover effect was absolutely true. Not the result of tonight’s game.
Come to think of it, the 2006 “hangover” Boston series included a double header and didn’t one of hte game go extras? So maybe the hangovers have less to do with Boston per se and more to do with the conditions under which the games are played?
I wonder if the hangover effect was particular to Torre and his laissex faire styel.
And the Yanks have also had problems with the Orioles the last couple of years, so they are not going to be any kind of pushover.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they lose 2 of 3 to the O’s and then they host the Angels for 4 games.
This has the makings of a tough week regardless of tonight’s result.
manny is pissed with the redsox
“My point was that the concept of a hangover effect was absolutely true.”
Sorry, I still don’t get it. Like any other baseball game, Monday’s game will depend on how Mike Mussina pitches, and that’s what will decide how the series goes. I’m sure it was the same for every game/series after the Yankees beat up on the Red Sox. Playing bad after a Red Sox series, sure, a Hangover? Who knows, but I would put it down to coincidence.
But really, believe what you want. I hope they sweep tonight so we can see if this hangover effect shows itself.
the next person to say “hangover” better be drinking
win today… win tomorrow – just win!
“I think the Yanks will batter the Green Monster off of Lester tonight.”
You betcha.
If the Yankees, play the Yankees will be fine.
This is one of the best weekends of our lives kids.
1. Yankees trade for two very good players.
2. Yankees have taken 2 games (and the series) from the Sux.
3. Our offense has been smoking.
4. Our pitching has been stellar.
5. Our relievers have been tremendous.
6. We’ve won every game since the ASG.
7. We’re one of the few MLB teams with a winning record on the road.
8. Mike Mussina has smiled more this season than in all of the other seasons put together.
9. We have Jose Molina.
10. A Yankee player was inducted into the HOF today.
If the Yankees play and lose tonight there is no reason to jump off a bridge.
If the Yankees play and win tonight there’s even more reason to continue to celebrate.
We are in the process of cheering for our Yankees who are in the process of kicking the Sux to the curb. (I predicted it would happen; you can continue to take it to the bank.
)
With Joe Torre gone, the Yankee players seem to be playing the Sux with a new swagger.
People who feel we need to win tonight have the right to feel that way. It does not make them bad or stupid.
People who feel that if we don’t win tonight, it isn’t the end of the world since we have already taken the series have the right to feel that way. It does not make them bad or stupid.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!
Let’s get to some baseball talk. After Washburn’s eight-inning gem today, what does everyone think? Ready to give up Gardner? Melky? Anyone?
I want a sweep of Boston and I want them to pulverize Lester.
Evolution,
Did you go to milb.com? They have the gameday going.
milb.tv has free audio or very cheap video. Don’t know if there’s a video feed of today’s game, though.
The “How many times the word hangover is mentioned on this blog” drinking game?
http://theblogofchampions.com/?p=155
this site previews the trade deadline, including reaction to the nady-marte trade
“the next person to say “hangover†better be drinking”
Let’s present the “how many times will the Boston hangover stuff be mentioned on this blog after the Yankees win tonight” drinking game
It is just fruitless discussion.
We want to win the game today period.
If we do not win it, it is not a big deal as we won the series.
We need to continue the good play and keep witning the series moving forward.
It is no point picking on the semantics of who said what and how.
Hey fellas. Can this trade for Nady be another Oneil trade? Where we dont expect as much from him and he ends up giving us more than we could ever expect for a few years.
Is the package that the Pirates ended up taking better than the one originally rumored?
Guiseppe,
You’re absolutely right. The O’s have given us fits, so a win tonight gives us a lift in the standings before we face them.
Anyway prepare for the worst, hope for the best. If we win it’s good, if we don’t then we can rationalize about it later.
For years we have been eagerly waiting for Manny and Ortiz to show some sign, any sign of diminishing skills attributable to old age. Between Ortiz’ wrist and Manny’s knees, I think we’re finally FINALLY starting to see it happen. Quite frankly, this inevitable catastrophe really damages the Sox offense and forces them to kick their long-term plan into high gear.
Like any other baseball game, Monday’s game will depend on how Mike Mussina pitches, and that’s what will decide how the series goes.
But Moose is one man and he doesn’t carry a bat with him. If he pitches well and the Yanks don’t score but a run or two – the team could still lose.
The hangover effect often has more to do with the position players than a starting pitcher who never saw any action in the previous series.
i wonder if this season the sox will finally trade manny. Or are they going to do the same stunt they have done year after year. Stop teasing and just deal him (for my sake!) because he kills us
I think the price of Washbum just went up, but I still don’t make the trade unless it is a pure salary dump by Seattle.
We don’t need him that bad.
here’s some baseball stuff i noticed today.
i watched the tiger’s game today. they demoted thier closer jones today and replaced him with rodney who promply gave up 2 runs but got a save. zumaya came out injured again. my guess is they will have to jump into the reliever market, good thing we got our guy already. oh, and pudge is still a stud, although a smaller one than before.
tampa bay cant score any runs
the marlins being one game out of the lead in the nl east is an insult to the senior curcuit.
the phillies are never, ever out of a game.
I want to see total domination of Manny and Ortiz by Ponson.
I shall call it Ponswnage
heard manny for jose reyes? any truth?
I can’t see anyway that a Manny trade happens. Maybe the mets if Boston will take martinez and plus a B prospect.
“But Moose is one man and he doesn’t carry a bat with him. If he pitches well and the Yanks don’t score but a run or two – the team could still lose.”
Right, and if they score very few runs, you can attribute that to the “hangover”, or you can attribute it to a good pitcher in Guthrie pitching well. Like you said, they always give the Yankees trouble. So how can you possibly attribute loosing to a definite hangover? Anyway, like I said, you can believe the hangover effect all you want, I don’t buy it, they’ll be fine on Monday, and they’ll hit.
what are the bets on ESPN showing Joba’s pitch to youk and saying its bush league vs. Hansen to Arod.
I say ESPN shows this 40x tonight.
Speaking of the market for relievers. Now that Fuentes is likely to remain with the fast-rising Rockies, is there a better reliever out there than Marte or did we preemptively land the best reliever that will change hands this trade deadline?
GO CASH.
The only way I see BOS trading Manny is if his presence starts to have a negative effect in the clubhouse. Unless something catastrophic happens, Manny will remain with BOS.
the sox totally rolled over for manny again yesterday. putting him in the lineup and then threatening nasty things if he pulled himself out was a joke. especially after they were threatening to do something about him with right away. shaughnaseey talked to the brass and came away thinking manny was done as a sox. and then the roll over and say, go ahead, i dare you to do it again.
they cant do a damn thing about manny right now and they know it. if they suspended him when he says he injured, the union would be on them like white on rice. no way they win that, mri or no.
they cant trade him, he is a 5&10 man.
all they can do is let manny be manny for the rest of this year, then decline his option and hope he doesnt sign with the yankees or tampa bay, which you’d have to expect is exactly what he would do.
Laura=The only way I see BOS trading Manny is if his presence starts to have a negative effect in the clubhouse. Unless something catastrophic happens, Manny will remain with BOS.
What like getting in a fight with the all-star leader that fans love?
I just can’t see them dealing with him for this long and trading him now. Why now?
Imagine what happens when you’re 275 pounds and you plod around in the outfield for a whole decade of your life. Poor Manny. He’s breaking.
“Let’s get to some baseball talk. After Washburn’s eight-inning gem today, what does everyone think? Ready to give up Gardner? Melky? Anyone?”
I’ve got two words for you: Steve Trout.
Let’s see who can put two and two together there.
They either take Kei Igawa and a bag of balls for dumping $14 million on us, or it’s still no deal.
or how many times will they show joba throwing at Youkalipsis head drinking game
Jorge, Steve Trout? Ouch! Now that brings back bad childhood memories!
Any weather news?
The fact of the matter is this. You’re in trouble when the foundation of your offense consists of two DH’s. The shelf life of Manny and Ortiz will turn out to be short.
This has been a terrible thread. Too much name-calling and “point/counterpoint” for me to stand. I won’t give my opinion on the matter because it will only fuel the fire, but there are so many unknowns in this situation that anyone can seem right.
If the Yankees win this game and then continue on their tear, people might claim that it’s because of the momentum gained from sweeping the red sox.
If they lose tonight and then lose 3 of their next 4, people will claim that this last loss has really hung heavy on the heads of the players or something else completely crazy.
It’s too complex to get into, but I don’t see how people can claim this one game is make-or-break for the yankees. One game means nothing unless it knocks you out of playoff contention.
Jorge, check out Steve Trout’s page at baseballreference.com. He compares most favorably to… Andy Hawkins!
“Jorge, Steve Trout? Ouch! Now that brings back bad childhood memories!”
What was it, 27 scoreless innings before we traded for him? “Oh, now our pitching staff is complete! We’ll be in the playoffs for sure!” The opposing team put up 20 runs in his first start. He then came back and pitched a gem before just completely falling apart. I think we exiled him to Seattle next year, where his career quietly ended.
Moral of the story: I don’t care how good he looks right now. He’s Jarrod Washburn and should be treated as such.
“It’s too complex to get into, but I don’t see how people can claim this one game is make-or-break for the yankees. One game means nothing unless it knocks you out of playoff contention.”
Good thing I haven’t read too far back in this thread then….of course this isn’t a “make or break” game. Worst case scenario, we just took 2 of 3 in Fenway. How is that bad?
Didn’t Manny choke out some guy in the clubhouse and didn’t even swing at one pitch as a pitch hitter a week ago.What more can he do to get traded.
Since the reliever market is so thin… we should dangle Farnsworth to see if some desperate team will give us something. He is an expiring contract and has pitched well in the pressure of NY this year, so he has to be attractive to other teams.
That can also free up room for Bruney.
Any chance we land a catcher?
Someone on espn said that the phillies would be takers on Manny. Boston is going to have a huge power outage by next year. Ortiz breaking down and Manny walking. Minnie Me might be leading the team in homers in 09.
Igawa for Washburn or BUST.
We have Kennedy and Aceves to bridge to Wang and Hughes.
We have ALL the leverage.
Melky stays a Yankee!
WOOT! Big game for Melkman today!!!
“”The Red Sox had the Yankees on the ropes the entire first half of the season, and they failed to take advantage. Now they see that it’s going to prove costly…”
I have never understood this kind of thinking. Just as I posted here weeks ago, when the unbiased blogger was conceding the division to Boston: there’s a REASON why Boston coudn’t close on us; they have their OWN problems. They failed to “take advantage” because they had no advantage; they weren’t good enough to bury us, get it?
Two more words: Denny Neagle.
“we should dangle Farnsworth to see if some desperate team will give us something. He is an expiring contract and has pitched well in the pressure of NY this year, so he has to be attractive to other teams.”
no argument from me on this one!
“Since the reliever market is so thin… we should dangle Farnsworth to see if some desperate team will give us something. He is an expiring contract and has pitched well in the pressure of NY this year, so he has to be attractive to other teams.
That can also free up room for Bruney.”
Im all in. Maybe we can land a decent catcher if we throw in Britton and Igawa as well.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3507371&name=mlb_trade_deadline
Washburn talks stall?
“Two more words: Denny Neagle.”
not as cringe-worthy as Trout, but still glorious.
Phil and Jorge, you make depressingly good points!
Cashman’s sitting pretty right now with a surplus of serviceable relievers and an ultra-thin reliever market.
He can afford to deal Farnsworth or Bruney not to mention prospects like Cox and lesser types such as Britton. I say aim for low A ball position players with upside. Start collecting them now.