Game 104: Yankees at Red Sox
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 27, 2008 
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YANKEES (58-45)
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Nady LF
Cano 2B
Sexson 1B
Cabrera CF
Molina C
Ponson RHP
RED SOX (60-45)
Pedroia 2B
Youkilis 1B
Ortiz DH
Ramirez LF
Lowell 3B
Drew RF
Varitek C
Cora SS
Ellsbury LF
Lester LHP
Sidney Ponson (6-1, 4.02) vs. the Boston hitters.
Jon Lester (8-3, 3.20) vs. the New Yorj hitters.
Here is the Baseball-Reference.com preview.
Notes: The Yankees have won eight straight and 13 of 16. … The Yankees have won four straight against the Red Sox. … The Yankees have outscored teams 49-15 since the break. … Edwar Ramirez has retired 36 of the last 41 hitters he has faced.
STARTERS SINCE THE BREAK: 52.1 innings, 48 hits, 9 ER, 10 walks, 50 strikeouts, 1.55 ERA.
BULLPEN SINCE THE BREAK: 22.2 innings, 13 hits, 4 ER, 8 walks, 33 strikeouts, 1.59 ERA.
OFFENSE SINCE THE BREAK: .307/.397/.461. 49 runs, 46 walks, 46 strikeouts, 27 extra-base hits, 28 of 88 RISP (.318).
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 6:35 p.m.: Several of the Yankees – Derek Jeter, Johnny Damon, Andy Pettitte, Joe Girardi, Jason Giambi and Joba Chamberlain – watched Goose Gossage’s speech at the Hall of Fame induction ceremony in the clubhouse. “It makes you feel good to see him get that honor,” Jeter said. “I thought he did a good job.”
Gossage and Dick Williams both called for George Steinbrenner to be inducted.
Meanwhile it’s pouring at the park and they’re asking fans to take cover because of thunderstorms in the area.
Check out the Globe’s Extra Bases Blog for the latest on Manny Ramirez. He wants out of Boston, the sooner the better it seems. Huge ramifications for the Yankees, both in terms of how it impacts their rivals and whether they would consider signing him as a free agent.
Here’s what I wonder: Why doesn’t Boston do what the Yankees did with Gary Sheffield? Pick up his option then trade him. That way you dictate what team he goes to. Of course Manny would have to agree to the trade as a 10/5 man and would want compensation for that.
It’s certainly a situation that bears watching.
UPDATE, 7:19 p.m.: It has stopped raining. The tarp is still on the field, however. The skies don’t look good.
UPDATE, 7:41 p.m.: Tarp is coming off now.
UPDATE, 7:55 p.m.: OK, the tarp is back on and the game will not start on time. No word on when the start time will be, if at all. Another band of storms are in the area, apparently.
UPDATE, 8:26 p.m.: Game time will be around 9.
UPDATE, 9:00 p.m.: OK, we’re about to get underway.
UPDATE, 9:14 p.m.: Sir Sidney got shelled in his start at Fenway for the Yankees, giving up seven runs over three innings on Aug. 18, 2006. He was DFA’d shortly after. The same could happen tonight.
UPDATE, 9:17 p.m.: Four batters, three rockets. Ponson needs to get his act together fast.
UPDATE, 9:20 p.m.: Manny blows through the stop signs and scores easily. The Yankees are going to have to find a way to pound Lester – which is certainly possible – if they are to sweep the series. We’re looking at a little Ponson and a whole lot of Dan Giese tonight.
UPDATE, 9:54 p.m.: Manny is flat-crazy and drives the Red Sox management crazy. But the guy can absolutely hit. All of the stuff that went on today and he’s 2 for 2 with two doubles and an RBI. In the end, talent is what matters.
UPDATE, 10:11 p.m.: This game has a definite “we’ve won eight in a row, you can’t win them all” feel for the Yankees. Ponson is getting ripped and they’re already 0 for 6 with RISP and have struck out five times.
They start a seven-game homestand tomorrow and at worse they’re three games out of first. Anything can happen at this park but down 5-0, the Yankees appear ready to warm up the bus.
UPDATE, 10:18 p.m.: You could see this Ponson performance coming down the Massachusetts Turnpike like a speeding truck.
Here’s what you do: Leave him out there to suck up three more innings, DFA him tomorrow and trade for Jarrod Washburn. The Yankees were lucky they got what they did out of Ponson. His record is (and was with Texas) totally deceiving.
UPDATE, 10:26 p.m.: It is Fenway Park, anything is possible. The Red Sox still have to 15 outs.
UPDATE, 10:32 p.m.: A couple of singles and a walk and suddenly Alex can change the game with one swing.
UPDATE, 10:33 p.m.: Or not. This would be a good time for Xavier Nady to get his first hit for the Yankees.
UPDATE, 10:35 p.m.: Nady is now 0 for 6. The Yankees are missing their shot here.
UPDATE, 10:44 p.m.: Here is what Ponson has done in his last eight starts:
42.2 innings, 67 hits, 29 ER, 18 walks, 6 HR. That’s a 6.12 ERA. The Yankees can’t keep running him out there every five days. You can get away with Rasner or Ponson, not both. Keep Rasner, DFA Ponson, trade for Washburn, keep Kennedy ready.
UPDATE, 11:09 p.m.: Time to get Jose Molina a little rest, no?
hopefully the weather stays clear
So according to Baseball Reference, the only player Ponson can safely pitch to tonight is Mike Lowell?
I know I’m not the only one getting tired of rain outs of games that could have been played had the tv stations, usually ESPN being the guilty party, not opted to push the game back to a night start.
I like this line up.
It will do well against Lester.
Tampa is losing.
If we win, we will be leading the WC (percentage points) and just two behind in the Division:)
I love how ESPN broadcasts go. Something like this everytime.Miller: I am Jon Miller and uhh I am joined by Joe.. umm Joe Morgan and he is a hall of famer as you know. Morgan: Hey Jon we are here today to watch the WORLD CHAMPION BOSTON RED SOX who if you didnt know won it all last year. Miller: Yes Joe it was amazing how they swept the WORLD SERIES. Morgan: They truly are the best I cannot remember a team who has dominated an era as much as they have. Miller: What about the Yankees in the 1990s. Morgan: Well they were good but these RED SOX are way better. Miller: You know what Joe, your right! Lets sound it out to Peter Gammons in the Sox clubhouse. Gammons: Well Joe and Jon the Red Sox are just the best team ever in the history of sports ever!! They just exude the qualitites of a championship team. Miller: How so? Gammons: Well Jon its silly that you need to ask that, they are classy, well kempt, media friendly, and are held together by their glue ALL STAR CATCHER the captain Jason Varitek, he is by far the best catcher in baseball for what he does in the locker-room who cares if he is batting .200 or throwing out only 15 percent of runners he deserves to be a hall of famer! Miller: Thanks for that fair and unbiased analysis Peter, when we come back first pitch here on NESPN… I mean ESPN. That is exactly how it goes everytime it makes me sick.
So like I said expect Manny to be traded this week.
I’m not sure but wouldn’t you want Cano batting behind A-Rod seeing that he is soooo HOTT.
Phillips is going to broadcast today.
Interesting to see his crocodile tears when he has to say Yankees are players for the playoffs
He always maintained that Yanks have no chance.
Al you are missing the boat just slightly. Usually Joe Morgan goes on and on about how the Yankees weren’t as good as his Reds, especially during 1998 and in the playoffs – he would not shut up about how the Yankees weren’t as good as the Big Red Machine.
“I’m not sure but wouldn’t you want Cano batting behind A-Rod seeing that he is soooo HOTT.”
Lester is too tough on lefties.
That is why Nady in 5th Slot and big G to the bench.
“Phillips is going to broadcast today.
Interesting to see his crocodile tears when he has to say Yankees are players for the playoffs
He always maintained that Yanks have no chance.”
Just like the rest of his NESPN buddies Phillips is a disgrace, 1st he was a failure as a GM and now he si a failure as a sportscaster. However he keeps his job because he hates the Yankees and after all thet is the sole agenda of ESPN.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3507249
Yes, Cano should be hitting behind A-Rod. He’s unbelievably hot right now, and add on to that he’s batting .600 off Lester, he absolutely should be behind A-Rod.
Oh yeah good point but I think Cano is batting lefties better than righties…I’m not sure but I think he is.
Sexson hits one over everything in left tonight.
“http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3507249″
“I don’t care where I play, I can even play in Iraq if need be. My job is to play baseball.”
- Manny Ramirez
Hands down greatest quote of all time? I think so.
6-1 kc f
I think he’s heading to Philly come the deadline. Manny’s friends saids it’s close to NY and Charlie likes him.
ponson keep us in the game
Manny off the Sox is like Christmas in July.
Brandon,
You think Manny goes to the Mets? I do. I think Omar will deal Boston Sanchez or Heilman and then a bunch of prospects not named Martinez for Manny.
I know you thought Philly, but Philly is also notoriously cheap and I think Manny is going to hold up the deal to have his extensions guaranteed which I think the Mets might do if they don’t have to give up Martinez.
Well I wouldn’t mind seing Manny in Philly. Out of the AL and being able to hurt the Mets, its a Win-Win situation =]
Sir Sidney will have a quality game today and Aruba will consider promoting him to Lord Sidney
And, all the people who doubt him in this blog will stop doing it. If we win today, we would have won every game he started. No other strater on yanks can claim that distinction
Do you think there’s any chance of Manny getting traded to the Iraqi baseball squad? Do they have enough prospects to offer for him?
al i agree 100%. if manny can go to a NL team we don’t have to deal with him anymore (except in interleague play) that would be like christmas in july
Question for late 70s yankees afficionado’s. In Goose’s HOF speech he did not mention Billy Martin at all and mentioned almost every other Yankee involved with those teams. Martin we all know was hard on everyone but did he and Goose have a particularly bad relationship??
Quite frankly I want Manny on any team not named the Red Sox. If he goes to the Mets who cares that head case could never survive on this side of town. However I think he will be a great role-model for Reyes and some of the other young guys.
“So like I said expect Manny to be traded this week.”
They’ll be selling low if they do – I was surprised to see a report that the Mets aren’t hot for Manny. It would seem to be a good fit for Minaya.
As long as he doesn’t end up at the LA Angels (really unlikely) I think the Yanks benefit greatly from a Manny trade.
G Love I don’t see the Mets getting him at all. (unless they deal F-Mart and Heilman and Niese), the Red Sox will waive him around Philly can get him for Gholson and Burrell if they want to do a trade for trade. (headache for headache) I know one thing I don’t at all expect Manny to be in Boston after this week.
The Mets said they’re not in the mix for Manny. Which means, of course, they’re in the mix for Manny.
Hey Peter. Looks like your finally giving Edwar some credit….
Tampa lost. Yanks only 2.5 out. If they win tonight they can cut it to 2.
I thought the Phillies were too cheap to make that kind of deal – he is going to have to restructure and extend his contract so it is 3-4 years.
I don’t see how it gets done from a money point of view.
Oh that Manny..
I heard the Fighting Sultans of the Iraqi Baseball League (IBL) Are offering their “Ace” Amud Samad Badinjad Sheik Muhhamad Patell for Manny Ramirez.
The k is right next to the j.
Samardjzia in the game now on TBS.
I don’t see how it gets done from a money point of view.
It’s easy the Red Sox are in contention losing Manny would hurt that team, just like having Gardner as an everyday w/ Molina hurt our offense.
Philly has been thinking of getting rid of Pat Burrell since he whines about not playing LF when he stinks defensively, Burrell plus prospects for Manny would be viewed as an improvement w/o losing much in contract value.
The Mets would have to decide Beltran or F-MArt and if it is F-Mart it would have to be a bigger package to get it done. That’s why I think Philly gets him.
Fran,
If we win tonight, we’ll pick up a game on LAA, Boston, and TB. I’m not satisfied unless we gain in the standings. Not taking advantage of contender losses is like Livan leaving uneaten innings. Unacceptable.
Who could Philly give Boston in return? Boston cannot win anything without that guy, and I think Boston will show that for them winning is more important than getting rid of that idiot. They`ll keep him.
That Iraq comment by Manny is pretty hilarious. I can’t wait until he’s traded, because that’s one less Yankees’ killer waiting on deck.
I think the Yanks will struggle against Lester he has emerged as the guy on the Boston staff.
I love how ESPN broadcasts go. Something like this everytime.Miller: I am Jon Miller and uhh I am joined by Joe.. umm Joe Morgan and he is a hall of famer as you know. Morgan: Hey Jon we are here today to watch the WORLD CHAMPION BOSTON RED SOX who if you didnt know won it all last year. Miller: Yes Joe it was amazing how they swept the WORLD SERIES. Morgan: They truly are the best I cannot remember a team who has dominated an era as much as they have. Miller: What about the Yankees in the 1990s. Morgan: Well they were good but these RED SOX are way better. Miller: You know what Joe, your right! Lets sound it out to Peter Gammons in the Sox clubhouse. Gammons: Well Joe and Jon the Red Sox are just the best team ever in the history of sports ever!! They just exude the qualitites of a championship team. Miller: How so? Gammons: Well Jon its silly that you need to ask that, they are classy, well kempt, media friendly, and are held together by their glue ALL STAR CATCHER the captain Jason Varitek, he is by far the best catcher in baseball for what he does in the locker-room who cares if he is batting .200 or throwing out only 15 percent of runners he deserves to be a hall of famer! Miller: Thanks for that fair and unbiased analysis Peter, when we come back first pitch here on NESPN… I mean ESPN. That is exactly how it goes everytime it makes me sick.
I hate when people say this. They’re not that bad. It’s better than Tim McCarver, SNY, TBS, etc.,I like hearing their voices every few weeks when the Yankees get the Sunday night game, and I just don’t see the blatant Boston Bias like everyone else does. Peter Gammons is a Red Sox fan, but he calls it like he sees it for the most part, and can you blame people for talking about the Red Sox so much? They’ve won 2 world series in 4 years after not winning for 86 years. You want the announcers to pretend like they don’t know the story?
I agree with Yankee Lover,
They’ll shop him with a ridiculous asking price and then Theo will say he couldn’t find the right fit.
This is Samardzija’s second outing. He blew the game in his first appearance (way to go, Lou). He got 3 easy outs just now, but he appears to be a thrower, not a pitcher yet. Very raw.
But the crowd loves him. Just like we love Joba.
Mel,
LOL. Thanks for point out about LAA. Didn’t relaize they lost today.
About Goose and Billy: the one thing that sticks in my mind is that when Billy was hired (yet again) in 1983, Goose’s quoted reaction was “Bor-ing”. Evidently not a big fan.
I think the Yanks will batter the Green Monster off of Lester tonight. Last time they saw him was their low point and when Joe G. read them the riot act. That fact combined with having seen him recently, and adding two guy who kill lefties should help create a looooong or very short night for Lester.
I agree, the Yankees need to win tonight, one bozo last night was saying today was a house money game because we won the series. Excuse me? We’re still not in either the division or wild card lead. So winning a game tonight is very important especially when it is head to head with a team in front of us in the standings. Plus keep the momentum going. It’s one thing to say winning two of three coming into the series is good enough, but when you’ve won the first two, finishing 0-1 in the last game is not good. It’s not like the Yankees are in first place in cruise control mode, every game is important, especially when it is vs. a team ahead of you.
Hey, good point, Mel.
I expressed a similar sentiment in the previous thread.
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With the Yankees playing as well as they have since the break, I hate to dissent from the prevailing optimism, but has anyone compared the schedules of the Rays, Sox, and Yankees for August and September.
Yankees Republic E-mailed me this earlier today, so you can blame him.
“While the Yankees have two West Coast road trips remaining– road trips in which they play the Angels for three-games in each– the Red Sox have completed the last of their trips to the Pacific. The Yankees, in fact, have 10 games remaining against the Angels, the Red Sox 3. Tampa, on the other hand, has one West Coast road-trip remaining but plays only at Seattle and at Oakland. They host their three games remaining against the Angels.â€
My god, I had no idea the Yankees schedule was so onerous down the stretch.
I’d figured tonight was gravy; it isn’t. The Yankees need to deliver a kill-shot to one or both of their East rivals ASAP.
My only hope is that the Angels, having clinched a playoff spot, send Lackey to the DL to rest, and do likewise with their other wounded
“one bozo last night was saying today was a house money game”
That would be the “certified genius”, according to most of the people here, SJ44.
Goose had a lot of different managers with the Yankees. He had Martin for part of `78, but won with Lemon. Then he had Martin again, then Dick Howser, then Lemon, Gene Michael, Lemon again, Clyde King etc. then Billy again. He never won anything with Billy, and he didn’t really mention any of the Yankee managers he had.
BTW Fernando Martinez’s stock just dropped he again got hurt, same injury as Tabata.
Should I expect a game tonight? =/
this game is a must win for the sole fact that we got absolutely dismantled by lester last time out.
I love how ESPN broadcasts go. Something like this everytime.Miller: I am Jon Miller and uhh I am joined by Joe.. umm Joe Morgan and he is a hall of famer as you know. Morgan: Hey Jon we are here today to watch the WORLD CHAMPION BOSTON RED SOX who if you didnt know won it all last year. Miller: Yes Joe it was amazing how they swept the WORLD SERIES. Morgan: They truly are the best I cannot remember a team who has dominated an era as much as they have. Miller: What about the Yankees in the 1990s. Morgan: Well they were good but these RED SOX are way better. Miller: You know what Joe, your right! Lets sound it out to Peter Gammons in the Sox clubhouse. Gammons: Well Joe and Jon the Red Sox are just the best team ever in the history of sports ever!! They just exude the qualitites of a championship team. Miller: How so? Gammons: Well Jon its silly that you need to ask that, they are classy, well kempt, media friendly, and are held together by their glue ALL STAR CATCHER the captain Jason Varitek, he is by far the best catcher in baseball for what he does in the locker-room who cares if he is batting .200 or throwing out only 15 percent of runners he deserves to be a hall of famer! Miller: Thanks for that fair and unbiased analysis Peter, when we come back first pitch here on NESPN… I mean ESPN. That is exactly how it goes everytime it makes me sick.
Haha very true
The Cubs are treating J-Sam (tired of typing it out) just like Joba.
He’s in to finish a 9-6 game.
And a great, great catch by Edmonds preserves the perfect outing for J-Sam’s first ML save.
I understand why people think this is an important game tonight, but I have to agree with whoever said tonight’s game is a house money game. I know it’s sacrilegious to be ok with the Yankees losing to the Sox but here are my reasons:
1. They already won the series. How many of you were praying for 2 out of three before Friday? I know I was.
2. Yes TB lost and they are playing Boston. But there is never a good time to win a game. If those two teams lose then the Yankees have to win to gain ground. If those teams win the Yankees have to win to keep up. They aren’t going to win every game from now on, so they will gain a game, lose a game, here and there.
3. Although he’s pitched well, we have Ponson vs. Lester. The match-up favors Boston. If we win, that’s amazing, but I don’t think it’s a disaster if they lose.
Its not a must win game tonight. Its a house money game.
The Red Sox have the best home record in baseball this year and you guys think a sweep is a “must”?
Really, get a clue about baseball before you start namecalling.
2 out of 3 is perfect. Sure, a win would be nice but, as I said earlier, I’d rather lose tonight and win the Orioles series, than win tonight, have a Boston Hangover, and lose another home series to the Orioles.
They aren’t going to go undefeated the rest of the year. I’d rather lose a game after a series win, than any other time the rest of the way.
no one will be joba
The whole ‘house money’ issue is pointless – The players are going to try to win the game just like they try to win every game.
It is just a perception issue that allowed a bunch of people to take a whack at SJ, which seems to be considered a great use of blogspace by a ton of people.
Walking around the city the last two afternoons, I noticed but one person in a Sox t-shirt.
Where’d they all go?
Or, the Yankees could lose tonight, thus setting themselves on an eight-game losing streak. I don’t fully appreciate the benefits of losing tonight.
SJ44, you play with the houses money when you’re 5 games up in the division and you’re winning a road series.
You can’t afford to surrender a game to Boston because Ponson is pitching, and don’t worry, they won’t surrender it.
What does losing tonight have to do with winning the Orioles series? If they sweep this series they can’t win the Orioles series? That’s news to me.
Don’t expect Ponson to stick around long if he’s not pitching well tonight. They’ll get Giese in there right away. They want to make the move NOW, not in the last two weeks of the season where you can run into bad luck.
When you have the Red Sox on the ropes, you need to take advantage. The Red Sox had the Yankees on the ropes the entire first half of the season, and they failed to take advantage. Now they see that it’s going to prove costly.
Travis,
Nobody said there is a benefit to losing tonight’s game. All we’re saying is that this is not a “must win” game tonight.
Are we playing the drinking game tonight ?
Brandon,
Which drinking game? I think the Brett Gardner game has run it’s course.
It will turn out to have been a “must-win” game tonight if the Yankees find themselves one game behind Boston with zero to play.
“He got 3 easy outs just now, but he appears to be a thrower, not a pitcher yet. Very raw.”
I saw highlights of his Sam’s first appearance (same day that Charlie Weiss sang take me out to the ball game – coincidence)
It looked like his fastball had a lot of movement on it and was in the high 90′s. It also was great how he airmailed the pitchout all the way to the brick wall.
The players are playing with a sense of urgency. They’ll try to take every game.
Win or lose tonight, they’ll try to take the series from the O’s.
A win tonight puts us past Boston, the players play it one game at a time.
And thank goodness games aren’t won on paper. We actually have a chance, if they can take the field.
Looks like two systems are sandwiching Boston.
Yankees do have a tough schedule, 10 games against the Angels, 4 against the White Sox, and more games on the road than at home, including the last 3 games of the season in Boston.
They have only two days off in September- the 11th following their west coast trip and 22nd following a homestand before they end the season away at Toronto and Boston. If it’s rained out tonight, it would be a shame, considering the roll we are on.
That schedule is the reason why, with their improved play that Cashman and the Steinbrenners are going all out. Getting Washburn for the stretch run can’t hurt. How many of our starters are going to go through the “dead arm” period in August or September.
Brandon –
How many drinks when Youk gets plunked by Sir Sidney and the benches clear?
Yes I agree winning two of three is great and 2 days ago I would have thought that was great, however the reality is they won the first two and the Red Sox are down, good teams take advantage on their opponents when they are down. They lose tonight and they are still 2 back of Boston, a win tonight and they are tied with Boston. Add in the psychological damage to Boston of sweeping in Bostonand beating it’s best two starters it would be the biggest game to win of the season to this point.
Some people just accept mediocrity I guess. Either that or they are apologists before the fact. Not only do I think the game tonight is important, I think the Yankees will win it and this discussion will seem even sillier.
This is not a must win game but this is certainly not a house money game either. Like someone else, house money games are for teams who are up big in their division, not a team like the Yankees who are still trailing the Red Sox and Tampa. Coupled that with the fact that Tampa lost today, this is certainly a game the Yankees should make every attempt to win.
well obviously its not a must win because its not a clinching game
but the importance of this game is high as it will bring us into a first place tie for the Wild Card and a 2nd place Tie for the AL East only 2 GB.
Isn’t that magical thinking, SJ44? I don’t know about you or more importantly the players, but I have a hangover after a Red Sox-Yankees series, win, lose, or split.
Opting for a loss tonight doesn’t ensure one tomorrow nor winning tonight diminish the likelihood of repeating the feat.
The Baseball Gods don’t punish greed.
To the contrary, winning and losing are contagious.
The Red Sox are a vulnerable, wounded animal right now.
Their bullpen is reeling. Manny’s festering injury has spread vitriol like a disease that threatens to engulf the entire organization in rancor. Trade rumors swirl. The Boston press and fan base is suffering another bout of Yankees terror that two world championships this decades has yet to cure.
Deliver the kill-shot while the body still bleeds. Then we can go feast on Bird.
Shots for every time they mention Nady or Manny. We’ll all be passed out.
This game does become a must win, if you finish one loss out. Just the same as the next game, and next game etc on and on.
Ask any yankee player and they will explain nicely I’m sure the approach has to be must win, at every game. Though we all know all can never be won, The must win attitude must be completely ingrained and chased.
anything less is amateur at best. doesn’t belong in mlb.
How many drinks when Youk gets plunked by Sir Sidney and the benches clear?
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DFox is absolutely right!!! Said it all.
How can the sage SJ44 even suggest that tonight’s game will affect the outcome of the O’s series? That is ludicrous, especially coming from one who is suposedly beyond reproach.
I think the Red Sox would love to trade Manny this week, but won’t find the return for him enough.
I actually think we will sweep tongiht, but as a great Yankee fan said…
” Two out of three aint bad ”
Of course thats the great Meatloaf!
The “how many runs Ponson gives up” Drinking game?
The “Manny being Manny” drinking game?
The “How many times is Mike Francesa muttering the name of Bronson Arroyo while watching this game?” Drinking game?
Whatever it is..I’m down
It’s amazing how people read into what other people write. So far, I have not read one post where anybody said that the Yankees should lose, that they should not go 100% tonight, that they should not try everything in their power to win, that a win tonight wouldn’t be a great thing. Nobody said a win tonight means a series loss against the O’s.
If you’re going to respond, please read carefully.
I think you’re being unrealistic if you’re putting expections that they MUST sweep tonight.
They’re going to go out there and try to win because they’re athletes, BUT if they don’t – its hardly the end of the world either.
No one is expecting the Yankees to sit down tonight just because they won two. Certainly the Yankees are not going to do that. It’s just the overall feeling that having already taken the series, IF they don’t win tonight,it’s not the end of the world. Sheesh, guys.
A win also helps the series record. You want to be on the inside looking out if we end up tied with either Tampa or Boston.
Also if we finish with a sweep IN Boston and the LAA are coming in town for them tommorrow, this is a perfect setup for a horrid meltdown for the redsox.
“How can the sage SJ44 even suggest that tonight’s game will affect the outcome of the O’s series? That is ludicrous, especially coming from one who is suposedly beyond reproach.”
Umm because it has in the past?
They put all their efforts into the Boston series, and then play hungover for a few days after the series. I can’t be the only one who recalls the bitching that goes on around here when that has happened, can I?
“The “how many runs Ponson gives up†Drinking game?
The “Manny being Manny†drinking game?
The “How many times is Mike Francesa muttering the name of Bronson Arroyo while watching this game?†Drinking game?”
The Farnsy is coming out of the bullpen and I can barely watch game
Eric VA,
SJ44 said he’d rather have the Yankees lose tonight and take the O’s series than win tonight and lose the O series.
Some of us are just saying we’ll take a win tonight and take the series against the O’s.
That’s all.
2 out 3 isn’t mediocrity Jeff.
Unless of course, you think a .667 winning % is mediocore.
If they win, great. If they lose, its not the end of the world, given the results of the weekend. That’s my point.
The fans think the Red Sox are “wounded” animals. They aren’t.
They have Lester going tonight, who has been their best pitcher for the last 6 weeks. They still are a very good team.
The Manny stuff? You think this is the first time they have had to deal with Manny? Its old news to this group.
You suffer from what most younger fans suffer from….thinking the only games that matter on the schedule are Red Sox games. It doesn’t work that way.
As I have said over and over, its about winning series. The Yankees keep winning series and everything else takes care of itself.
Come on thunderstorms! THis rain out would be a blessing in disguise- pick up a 1/2 game on the Rays and skip Sir Sidney in the rotation while the Yanks get out of town to play Baltimore tomorrow.
Thats a pathetic hope Rusty. A rain out would be the worst thing for a team on such a roll
Mel,
I’d love for them to win tonight and then sweep the O’s. I’m sure SJ would too. All he’s saying (and I agree) is we’d rather lose tonight and win 2 or 3 against Baltimore than win tonight and then lose 2 against the O’s.
Given the choice, wouldn’t you choose that as well? That’s all we’re saying.
EricVA
“I’d rather lose tonight and win the Orioles series, than win tonight, have a Boston Hangover, and lose another home series to the Orioles.”
This quote implies a win tonight will result in a loss of a home series to the Orioles.
“If you’re going to respond, please read carefully”
Your quote implies that you do read carefully. I think not so much!
What does losing tonight have to do with winning the Orioles series? If they sweep this series they can’t win the Orioles series? That’s news to me.
You need to do the research on this because it’s absolutely true.
The Yanks often have what we call a “Boston Hangover” because they – for whatever reason – come down from their emotional lift against the Red Sox and don’t play well against a lesser team following that series.
It has happened numerous times over the years. Hell, it happened in the World Series against the Marlins – a team they certainly should have beat.
This is not something SJ just made up.
Why don’t you do this troll….go back and look at how the Yankees have played the last 3 years after Red Sox series.
Try checking out how many times they played poorly after Red Sox series. The team themselves talk about not having a “Boston Hangover” after these series.
You want to feel like a tough guy taking shots at me, be my guest.
At least have a clue about baseball when you do though.
Nobody is saying the players are going to lay down or anything like that.
All I am saying is, its important to win series from hereon out.
That’s it. If you have a hard time understanding that, perhaps your mommy can explain it to you when she serves you your milk and cookies tonight.
I was never a superstitious type of girl so I feel fine in saying that the Yankees will sweep tonight. Even though Lester is on the mound. This team wont be owned by a 24-year-old guy again. It only takes one game to switch around the Lester Vs Yankees saga. It could very well be tonight. He better not embarrass us again. But this is a different team both player wise and mental wise so that wont happen again. I’m sure it won’t.
“The “how many runs Ponson gives up†Drinking game?
The “Manny being Manny†drinking game?
The “How many times is Mike Francesa muttering the name of Bronson Arroyo while watching this game?†Drinking game?â€
The “how many baserunners Ponson strands tonight” drinking game
The “how many times NESPN shows a Jon Lester no-hitter highlight or speaks of it” drinking game
The “how many swinging K’s will Varitek have tonight” drinking game
The “how many times Youk swears at the plate or in the dugout” drinking game
The “how many times will NESPN bring in Gammons to express his intense man love for Jacoby I can’t hit a ball to the warning track Ellsbury” drinking game
Logic and faith beat history!!!
There’s a chance they don’t even play tonight. But of course, they’ll make the players wait around long enough for them to get out of town really late.
Baltimore tomorrow for three than LA for four at home, then it’s a tough stretch away to Texas, LA,Minnesota.
Tampa lost, we need a W.
Bombshell -
I think the ‘John Lester no-hitter” showings/mentionings game has the potential to be the most potent drinking game!
Peter, I never knew New Yorj was a city?
Hey, SJ44, why let these guys get to you, man? Ignore them.
This blog prides itself on heated, but typically civil, debate.
Anyone who contributes here regularly knows enough to respect SJ44′s knowledge about the game and his inside dope.
If you don’t and you take pot-shots at him beside, then you’re a fool, not worth the dignity of a response.
philips joins the crew brutal…
Who comes on this board 2 year Yankeee fans or 7 year olds… I never heard of crap like IF WE WIN TODAY THAT MEANS WE WILL LOSE A GAME AT HOME… lmao… What does one game at Fenway have to do with us losing at Yankee Stadium.. Why is this even a discussion?
I like that the moved Moose to tomorrow to head off any bad start against the O’s.
I love blog arguments that are completely meaningless, and I guee I started it bringing up the house money quote, oh well killed some time before game time. I think we can all agree that:
1. Winning two out of every three would be outstanding.
2. Winning tonight would be great.
3. Boston has a very good pitcher going tonight.
4. A loss tonight is not the end of the world.
The only difference I would say is the “House Money” concept is really a concept for a team in playoff position. I feel until they are in the lead, their are no house money games. Go Yankees.
“The Yanks often have what we call a “Boston Hangover†because they – for whatever reason – come down from their emotional lift against the Red Sox and don’t play well against a lesser team following that series.”
lolol. You don’t get it. Either does SJ44.
What does winning TONIGHT have to do with a “Boston Hangover”?? If they are going to have a “Boston Hangover”, they’ll have it either way. What, if they lose tonight they’ll have a team meeting and decide to not go with the “Boston Hangover” this time since they lost the last game against the Sox? Do you realize how asinine that sounds? It’s almost the most absurd baseball thinking I’ve ever heard.
Lose the game tonight – no “Boston Hangover”, because that’s only 2/3
Win tonight – that’s 3/3, “Boston Hangover” time!!
Accepting a loss tonight so that we can be prepared and focused for the orioles series is not rationale
what would you rather
win tonight, lose 2 of 3 to orioles=2-2
or
lose tonight, win 2 of 3 against orioles=2-2
I understand we can’t win every game, and yes it is nice to have already won this series, but tonights game shouldn’t have any effect on the baltimore series
How about “Lester had cancer” drinking game?
*Yawn*
So, does anybody think the Sox take another shot at A-Rod or Jeter if the game isn’t close?
LMAO I AM MORE AMAZED BY EVERY POST!
thanks for the heads up on the baseball reference previews – I didn’t know they did those now! VERY cool thing to check out.
The whole “hangover effect” or letdown happens in every sport. It’s not just the Yanks after a Red Sox series.
It happens a lot in football as well. A team wins a huge game against a big rival or the like and they lose the next week against a team they should have beaten.
Don’t forget the Boston Massacre II of 2006. The Yanks went into Fenway and hammered the Red Sox for 5 games.
They immediately went to Seattle and LA and lost something like 5 of 6 the following week.
Liriano taking on Scranton/Wilks tonight
Looking forward to his numbers
“I think the ‘John Lester no-hitter†showings/mentionings game has the potential to be the most potent drinking game!”
For sure, also:
The “how many times will NESPN show the AL East standings while highlighting Tampa Bay’s name in white and using the words ‘surprising’ and ‘amazing’ when talking about them” drinking game
The “how many at-bats will Manny lift the stick off his shoulder” drinking game
The “how many attempts will Joe Morgan make in comparing the Big Red Machine to the ‘current Sox dynasty’” drinking game
The “how many times will Gammons insist that Brian Cashman is a thief” drinking game
The “how many seconds will Phillips take on BBTN to say something positive about the Yankees’ winning streak” drinking game
Boston Hangover –> 2003 World Series
SJ44
You are getting rather cranky now that you have been cornered and attacked by many on your statements about win/lose tonught.
You cannot deny what you said, you are not defending it, you are taking an entirely different position now.
You are resorting to name calling and attempted ridicule.
You are the one who is acting like a spoiled brat and it’s not working.
A loss tonight will be a 2 game differnce, e.g behind Sox by 2 rather then virtual tie ! Now perhaps you should bone up on some baseball or basic arithmetic.
My name is the result of my disagreements with you. If anyone refutes your arguments they “Must be a Troll”.
Welecome back SJ44..I see you have already stirred up the kiddies…..A sweep in Fenway would be beyond anyone’s expectations going into this series….The first order of business is always to win the 3 game set and anything else is gravy…..Actually I though Jobe besting Beckett set this all up…But tonights game has become rather big as someone pointed out it’s the difference of being tied or two back….That puts a significant light on tonights game….Beating Lester would go along way, however that being said as good as this streak has been, a loss would not be as devestating since they have banked two wins already…..Keep winning series’s and the Eastern Division will be a run away……Glad to see you back….For the record I thought Cashman made a solid trade….
“How about “Lester had cancer†drinking game?”
Even the toughest iron-man couldn’t get through that one tonight.
Guiseppe Franco, according to your logic, we should all be upset today that the Yankees won last night. After all, they already won the series because of that, so now we have a major problemo.
Guys, this is bad. The Yankees made a huge mistake yesterday, winning the series. Too bad we can’t hop in the time machine and pitch Kei Igawa yesterday to prevent the Boston Hangover. Well, we tried, but we just couldn’t take the loss yesterday.
DFox,
I’m not suggesting tonight’s result has anything to do with the Orioles series.
But the Yanks do often suffer a hangover effect whenever they play the Red Sox.
History has proved that.
Look guys, the O’s are in not in the WC picture right now. Boston is. The team will want to take this game because it helps in the standings and helps the series record against the Sox.
If we win, they’ll try to win tomorrow. (losing the first game of the series is nothing new to this year’s team so there’s little to be read by a loss tomorrow)
If we lose, they’ll try to win tomorrow.
Play today, win today. Play tomorrow, win tomorrow. Easy!
We are on a 8 game winning streak, WIN WIN WIN
oooh wow its aceves vs lirano. I wish i could watch that
“But the Yanks do often suffer a hangover effect whenever they play the Red Sox.”
Then what point are you trying to prove? No one said it’s impossible that they suffer a “hangover”. We are saying that them getting a hangover or not has NOTHING to do with tonight’s game. Some people were saying/implying it does, which is just plain silly.
Eric VA -
The 2003 WS was the ULTIMATE Boston Red Sox series win hangover!!!!!
How about the “Brett Farve mentioned on ESPN” drinking game?
That hangover even affected the fans – at least in my mind. I actually convinced myself and Ii think to some extent I still do believe that beating the Red Sox was more important than beating the Marlins. Certainly the Red Sox was the more formidable team, and that series took EVERYTHING out of both the team and the fans!
“How about the “Brett Farve mentioned on ESPN†drinking game?”
Wow you really love throwdowns lol
Joe Torre was managing all those team that had ‘Hangovers”, so let’s hope the Yanks win tonite and see if that “hangover effect” has any credence with Joe Giardi’s team.
Guiseppe Franco, according to your logic, we should all be upset today that the Yankees won last night. After all, they already won the series because of that, so now we have a major problemo.
My logic isn’t suggesting anything outside of a hangover effect immediately following a Yanks-Red Sox series.
But you don’t really have any common sense so I wouldn’t expect you to understand a simple concept.
I never said anything about tonight’s result having any effect on the Orioles series.
Pete, you wrote:
“Jon Lester (8-3, 3.20) vs. the New Yorj hitters.”
Just a small typo I figured I’d help you out.
Any way, can’t we all agree that we’d all LOVE for the Yankees to win tonight?
“Wow you really love throwdowns lol”
Drinking games are my specialty.
Does anyone know where you can stream coverage of AAA SWB games? =/
How about the “Brett Farve mentioned on ESPN†drinking game?
My liver might cry with that game
I think we can ALL agree that a win tonight>loss tonight. If you think elsewise than something is wrong.
Last time after we played the Sox, we beat the Rays two straight.
DFox and Mel -
Thank you for your intelligence!
I can’t believe others continue to insist on this hangover crap as a reason why we should accept a loss tonight.
Mariano Duncan : “We play today, we win today !”
Evolution, go to http://www.whtk.com and click Listen Live.
Doreen,
Win or lose, we’ll all be hungover after this.
How many of those hangovers resulted after playing at 8:00 pm on a freaking getaway day?
I don’t see a reason why a loss to the team we’re tied with in the loss column and one game behind can be good… Go Yankees – put the sox in their place and let them know where they stand – SECOND TO US
Guiseppe Franco, do you not even remember what you said a few posts before?
I said:
“What does losing tonight have to do with winning the Orioles series? If they sweep this series they can’t win the Orioles series? That’s news to me.”
And you said: “You need to do the research on this because it’s absolutely true.”
Again, I said how can you think the Yankeees can’t win the Orioles series if they sweep this one, and you responded with that. “It’s absolutely true”…
mel -
Ain’t that the truth!
And add the inevitable rain delays tonight and I sure hope there’s no extra innings.
Moose was moved up to keep him on his regular rest…but it doesn’t hurt that he has been the Yankees most consistent starter this year and it could, potentially, get him an extra start towards the end of the year.
The guy has won 19 games, but never 20. Might this be his year?
Either way after a “boston hangover” we still get to play the Os w. Moose and they get to play a series against the angels who just had swept them. I like our odds to move up even more in the standings.
I don’t think we will see him in the majors this year, but anyone feel Melancon will go to AAA soon?
Today he went 3ip 2 hits 0 er 0 walks and 4k’s. Kid has 1.81 era in Trenton.
thank you a lot travis.
“I can’t believe others continue to insist on this hangover crap as a reason why we should accept a loss tonight.”
I know, right? Because the Yankees have had some bad series after beating up on the Sox, we should all of a sudden attribute that to what we want to happen tonight. Pure stupidity. I can’t believe people actually buy into that crap.
This board was great early on last season…I hope it can get back to that level of baseball discussion someday.
DFox,
My point was that the concept of a hangover effect was absolutely true. Not the result of tonight’s game.
Come to think of it, the 2006 “hangover” Boston series included a double header and didn’t one of hte game go extras? So maybe the hangovers have less to do with Boston per se and more to do with the conditions under which the games are played?
I wonder if the hangover effect was particular to Torre and his laissex faire styel.
And the Yanks have also had problems with the Orioles the last couple of years, so they are not going to be any kind of pushover.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they lose 2 of 3 to the O’s and then they host the Angels for 4 games.
This has the makings of a tough week regardless of tonight’s result.
manny is pissed with the redsox
“My point was that the concept of a hangover effect was absolutely true.”
Sorry, I still don’t get it. Like any other baseball game, Monday’s game will depend on how Mike Mussina pitches, and that’s what will decide how the series goes. I’m sure it was the same for every game/series after the Yankees beat up on the Red Sox. Playing bad after a Red Sox series, sure, a Hangover? Who knows, but I would put it down to coincidence.
But really, believe what you want. I hope they sweep tonight so we can see if this hangover effect shows itself.
the next person to say “hangover” better be drinking
win today… win tomorrow – just win!
“I think the Yanks will batter the Green Monster off of Lester tonight.”
You betcha.
If the Yankees, play the Yankees will be fine.
This is one of the best weekends of our lives kids.
1. Yankees trade for two very good players.
2. Yankees have taken 2 games (and the series) from the Sux.
3. Our offense has been smoking.
4. Our pitching has been stellar.
5. Our relievers have been tremendous.
6. We’ve won every game since the ASG.
7. We’re one of the few MLB teams with a winning record on the road.
8. Mike Mussina has smiled more this season than in all of the other seasons put together.
9. We have Jose Molina.
10. A Yankee player was inducted into the HOF today.
If the Yankees play and lose tonight there is no reason to jump off a bridge.
If the Yankees play and win tonight there’s even more reason to continue to celebrate.
We are in the process of cheering for our Yankees who are in the process of kicking the Sux to the curb. (I predicted it would happen; you can continue to take it to the bank.
)
With Joe Torre gone, the Yankee players seem to be playing the Sux with a new swagger.
People who feel we need to win tonight have the right to feel that way. It does not make them bad or stupid.
People who feel that if we don’t win tonight, it isn’t the end of the world since we have already taken the series have the right to feel that way. It does not make them bad or stupid.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!
Let’s get to some baseball talk. After Washburn’s eight-inning gem today, what does everyone think? Ready to give up Gardner? Melky? Anyone?
I want a sweep of Boston and I want them to pulverize Lester.
Evolution,
Did you go to milb.com? They have the gameday going.
milb.tv has free audio or very cheap video. Don’t know if there’s a video feed of today’s game, though.
The “How many times the word hangover is mentioned on this blog” drinking game?
http://theblogofchampions.com/?p=155
this site previews the trade deadline, including reaction to the nady-marte trade
“the next person to say “hangover†better be drinking”
Let’s present the “how many times will the Boston hangover stuff be mentioned on this blog after the Yankees win tonight” drinking game
It is just fruitless discussion.
We want to win the game today period.
If we do not win it, it is not a big deal as we won the series.
We need to continue the good play and keep witning the series moving forward.
It is no point picking on the semantics of who said what and how.
Hey fellas. Can this trade for Nady be another Oneil trade? Where we dont expect as much from him and he ends up giving us more than we could ever expect for a few years.
Is the package that the Pirates ended up taking better than the one originally rumored?
Guiseppe,
You’re absolutely right. The O’s have given us fits, so a win tonight gives us a lift in the standings before we face them.
Anyway prepare for the worst, hope for the best. If we win it’s good, if we don’t then we can rationalize about it later.
For years we have been eagerly waiting for Manny and Ortiz to show some sign, any sign of diminishing skills attributable to old age. Between Ortiz’ wrist and Manny’s knees, I think we’re finally FINALLY starting to see it happen. Quite frankly, this inevitable catastrophe really damages the Sox offense and forces them to kick their long-term plan into high gear.
Like any other baseball game, Monday’s game will depend on how Mike Mussina pitches, and that’s what will decide how the series goes.
But Moose is one man and he doesn’t carry a bat with him. If he pitches well and the Yanks don’t score but a run or two – the team could still lose.
The hangover effect often has more to do with the position players than a starting pitcher who never saw any action in the previous series.
i wonder if this season the sox will finally trade manny. Or are they going to do the same stunt they have done year after year. Stop teasing and just deal him (for my sake!) because he kills us
I think the price of Washbum just went up, but I still don’t make the trade unless it is a pure salary dump by Seattle.
We don’t need him that bad.
here’s some baseball stuff i noticed today.
i watched the tiger’s game today. they demoted thier closer jones today and replaced him with rodney who promply gave up 2 runs but got a save. zumaya came out injured again. my guess is they will have to jump into the reliever market, good thing we got our guy already. oh, and pudge is still a stud, although a smaller one than before.
tampa bay cant score any runs
the marlins being one game out of the lead in the nl east is an insult to the senior curcuit.
the phillies are never, ever out of a game.
I want to see total domination of Manny and Ortiz by Ponson.
I shall call it Ponswnage
heard manny for jose reyes? any truth?
I can’t see anyway that a Manny trade happens. Maybe the mets if Boston will take martinez and plus a B prospect.
“But Moose is one man and he doesn’t carry a bat with him. If he pitches well and the Yanks don’t score but a run or two – the team could still lose.”
Right, and if they score very few runs, you can attribute that to the “hangover”, or you can attribute it to a good pitcher in Guthrie pitching well. Like you said, they always give the Yankees trouble. So how can you possibly attribute loosing to a definite hangover? Anyway, like I said, you can believe the hangover effect all you want, I don’t buy it, they’ll be fine on Monday, and they’ll hit.
what are the bets on ESPN showing Joba’s pitch to youk and saying its bush league vs. Hansen to Arod.
I say ESPN shows this 40x tonight.
Speaking of the market for relievers. Now that Fuentes is likely to remain with the fast-rising Rockies, is there a better reliever out there than Marte or did we preemptively land the best reliever that will change hands this trade deadline?
GO CASH.
The only way I see BOS trading Manny is if his presence starts to have a negative effect in the clubhouse. Unless something catastrophic happens, Manny will remain with BOS.
the sox totally rolled over for manny again yesterday. putting him in the lineup and then threatening nasty things if he pulled himself out was a joke. especially after they were threatening to do something about him with right away. shaughnaseey talked to the brass and came away thinking manny was done as a sox. and then the roll over and say, go ahead, i dare you to do it again.
they cant do a damn thing about manny right now and they know it. if they suspended him when he says he injured, the union would be on them like white on rice. no way they win that, mri or no.
they cant trade him, he is a 5&10 man.
all they can do is let manny be manny for the rest of this year, then decline his option and hope he doesnt sign with the yankees or tampa bay, which you’d have to expect is exactly what he would do.
Laura=The only way I see BOS trading Manny is if his presence starts to have a negative effect in the clubhouse. Unless something catastrophic happens, Manny will remain with BOS.
What like getting in a fight with the all-star leader that fans love?
I just can’t see them dealing with him for this long and trading him now. Why now?
Imagine what happens when you’re 275 pounds and you plod around in the outfield for a whole decade of your life. Poor Manny. He’s breaking.
“Let’s get to some baseball talk. After Washburn’s eight-inning gem today, what does everyone think? Ready to give up Gardner? Melky? Anyone?”
I’ve got two words for you: Steve Trout.
Let’s see who can put two and two together there.
They either take Kei Igawa and a bag of balls for dumping $14 million on us, or it’s still no deal.
or *how many times will they show joba throwing at Youkalipsis head* drinking game
Jorge, Steve Trout? Ouch! Now that brings back bad childhood memories!
Any weather news?
The fact of the matter is this. You’re in trouble when the foundation of your offense consists of two DH’s. The shelf life of Manny and Ortiz will turn out to be short.
This has been a terrible thread. Too much name-calling and “point/counterpoint” for me to stand. I won’t give my opinion on the matter because it will only fuel the fire, but there are so many unknowns in this situation that anyone can seem right.
If the Yankees win this game and then continue on their tear, people might claim that it’s because of the momentum gained from sweeping the red sox.
If they lose tonight and then lose 3 of their next 4, people will claim that this last loss has really hung heavy on the heads of the players or something else completely crazy.
It’s too complex to get into, but I don’t see how people can claim this one game is make-or-break for the yankees. One game means nothing unless it knocks you out of playoff contention.
Jorge, check out Steve Trout’s page at baseballreference.com. He compares most favorably to… Andy Hawkins!
“Jorge, Steve Trout? Ouch! Now that brings back bad childhood memories!”
What was it, 27 scoreless innings before we traded for him? “Oh, now our pitching staff is complete! We’ll be in the playoffs for sure!” The opposing team put up 20 runs in his first start. He then came back and pitched a gem before just completely falling apart. I think we exiled him to Seattle next year, where his career quietly ended.
Moral of the story: I don’t care how good he looks right now. He’s Jarrod Washburn and should be treated as such.
“It’s too complex to get into, but I don’t see how people can claim this one game is make-or-break for the yankees. One game means nothing unless it knocks you out of playoff contention.”
Good thing I haven’t read too far back in this thread then….of course this isn’t a “make or break” game. Worst case scenario, we just took 2 of 3 in Fenway. How is that bad?
Didn’t Manny choke out some guy in the clubhouse and didn’t even swing at one pitch as a pitch hitter a week ago.What more can he do to get traded.
Since the reliever market is so thin… we should dangle Farnsworth to see if some desperate team will give us something. He is an expiring contract and has pitched well in the pressure of NY this year, so he has to be attractive to other teams.
That can also free up room for Bruney.
Any chance we land a catcher?
Someone on espn said that the phillies would be takers on Manny. Boston is going to have a huge power outage by next year. Ortiz breaking down and Manny walking. Minnie Me might be leading the team in homers in 09.
Igawa for Washburn or BUST.
We have Kennedy and Aceves to bridge to Wang and Hughes.
We have ALL the leverage.
Melky stays a Yankee!
WOOT! Big game for Melkman today!!!
“”The Red Sox had the Yankees on the ropes the entire first half of the season, and they failed to take advantage. Now they see that it’s going to prove costly…”
I have never understood this kind of thinking. Just as I posted here weeks ago, when the unbiased blogger was conceding the division to Boston: there’s a REASON why Boston coudn’t close on us; they have their OWN problems. They failed to “take advantage” because they had no advantage; they weren’t good enough to bury us, get it?
Two more words: Denny Neagle.
“we should dangle Farnsworth to see if some desperate team will give us something. He is an expiring contract and has pitched well in the pressure of NY this year, so he has to be attractive to other teams.”
no argument from me on this one!
“Since the reliever market is so thin… we should dangle Farnsworth to see if some desperate team will give us something. He is an expiring contract and has pitched well in the pressure of NY this year, so he has to be attractive to other teams.
That can also free up room for Bruney.”
Im all in. Maybe we can land a decent catcher if we throw in Britton and Igawa as well.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....e_deadline
Washburn talks stall?
“Two more words: Denny Neagle.”
not as cringe-worthy as Trout, but still glorious.
Phil and Jorge, you make depressingly good points!
Cashman’s sitting pretty right now with a surplus of serviceable relievers and an ultra-thin reliever market.
He can afford to deal Farnsworth or Bruney not to mention prospects like Cox and lesser types such as Britton. I say aim for low A ball position players with upside. Start collecting them now.
“â€The Red Sox had the Yankees on the ropes the entire first half of the season, and they failed to take advantage. Now they see that it’s going to prove costly…â€
It wouldnt be the first year.
jorge: word. Dating back to the last 4 years of Bernie, we had been coveting a skilled center-fielder. I rembember fans ‘salivating’ over the possibility of a White Sox Aaron Rowand patroling the Bronx. Or aquiring Joey Gathright, from the Rays. LoL.
I would rather keep both Melky and Gardner. : )
One more word. Weaver.
Two more words: Rich Dotson.
Weaver, Trout, Neagle. You guys are killing me with common sense!
Wow some of you people really are lacking some reality today. Dangle Farnsworth so we can make room for Bruney. Are you serious. As bad as Farnsy has been for most of his tenure here he has been really really really good this year (ok forget the string of HR) why would you trade him to make room for Bruney who so far in the minors has not shown the velocity he had at the beginning of the year, who is coming off an injury that most said needed surgery and has not proven anything in the major league level.
Yes we all hold our breath when Farnsy comes in but what the heck has Bruney proven in any way shape or form and Farnsowrth has been a big part of the teams resurgence so far.
We don’t need a catcher.
Molina is an automatic out at the plate but look what he’s done with our pitching. He calls a great game and hinders the oppositions running game.
I’m fine with Molina.
Andy Hawkins
DFox,
“Sorry, I still don’t get it. Like any other baseball game, Monday’s game will depend on how Mike Mussina pitches, and that’s what will decide how the series goes. I’m sure it was the same for every game/series after the Yankees beat up on the Red Sox. Playing bad after a Red Sox series, sure, a Hangover? Who knows, but I would put it down to coincidence.
But really, believe what you want. I hope they sweep tonight so we can see if this hangover effect shows itself.”
I’m with you. It’s about how Mussina pitches. Hangover effect I don’t buy. Fatigue is another thing. Also, we haven’t had such good pitching in quite a few years. “Hangover” is more a product of mediocre pitching, which we don’t have anymore. We also have a great bullpen. They’ll be no “hangover.”
“They failed to “take advantage†because they had no advantage; they weren’t good enough to bury us, get it?”
You mean we were better than the Red Sox when we lost A-Rod, Jeter, Wang, etc?
No, at that point, they WERE a better team than us. They had almost all of their parts, we had very few. Unless you’re just a Yankee fanboy who fails to actually give other teams credit. All along I said the Yankees would make the playoffs, but in reality, the Red Sox had almost the entire first half of the season where the Yankees were in a million little pieces, and they weren’t.
Now, the tables have turned. But that’s why you don’t let the Red Sox stick around now. They have a crummy bullpen, lots of controversy in the clubhouse, so the Yankees can’t let the Red Sox stick around like the Sox let them. THAT’S where you see who the better team is. I think it’s the Yankees, and that’s why they will begin to put the Red Sox away.
Brent,
Exactly. 4 Scenarios could happen. Independent events.
1/2 x 1/2 = 1/4
win tonight-win the next series
win tonight-lose the next series
lose tonight-win the next series
lose tonight-lose the next series
Very probable: rain delay and many tired Yankees tomorrow.
Rich Dotson… honestly, I’d forgotten all about him.
November 12, 1987: Traded by the Chicago White Sox with Scott Nielsen to the New York Yankees for Dan Pasqua, Mark Salas, and Steve Rosenberg.
ummm,
I support Molina. But i think he needs a break. Wouldnt want him to break down by the end of the year. Just someone to split time with him.
I support Molina. But i think he needs a break. Wouldnt want him to break down by the end of the year. Just someone to split time with him.
Like Moeller?
“The only way I see BOS trading Manny is if his presence starts to have a negative effect in the clubhouse. Unless something catastrophic happens, Manny will remain with BOS.”
Laura the whole thing is pretty tricky but the WEEI minds are thinking that Boras and Manny have been orchestrating a lot of negative things so that the Sux will indeed trade Manny. They know that the Sux are not going to be offering Manny a long-term contract and that’s what Manny wants. So if Manny can prove himself a distraction to the point that the Sux are sick of him, it will force their hand and get Manny traded and get it done in such a way that the team(s) who unwittingly race to get him are thinking that they can deal with Manny being Manny. That way, it doesn’t turn into something where he is without a long-term home at the end of the season, and it distracts from the fact that his skills are on the decline and that nobody really should want to offer him a long-term contract. This is all Boras smoke and mirrors.
It is actually working in a way since Theo has now said publically that he is willing to entertain offers for Manny.
I too would like to see some Ponsownage tonight. Or Ponsanity. Whichever works. Go Yankees!!!
two more words: Bill Gullickson.
Phil, those 1987-1989 years were really awful, weren’t they?
Just heard an interview, where manny says he is tried of the red sox…and they are tired of him..
still don’t think he leaves.
A couple of thoughts. IF this game sgoes long and gets to the pen obviously the Yanks have an advantage.
Sj the Manny insanity I think has reached the end, they appear tired of him. Lowell’s comments yesterday along with papi were pretty out there.
The sux will not trade him they do not have enough guts to do it in season, and they would get fleeced, but I do not see him back next yr.
again I do not care what the scoreboard showed today, I watched Washbum, I am not impressed at all.
We will see how nady and sexson do tonight against a lefty, I aske for long AB’s and get lester out after 6 even if they cannot score work the damn count. WIth Ponson pitching I am already in cringe mode.
Travis, they were BRUTAL. If we had any pitching at all, if there had been a wild card during that 1984-88 period, we might have won a time or two. We won the most games in the AL in the `80′s and had nothing to show for it.
It is raining up a storm here.
I didn’t realize that if the Yankees win tonight they’ll be the first team to sweep the Sux at Fenway this year.
Sweet!
Aceves is outdueling Liriano so far.
Trisha – what’s the forecast?
Fran – thunderstorms throughout the night.
Don’t know if there is supposed to be any window of clearing.
phil: not on tv right?
Pete Sheff’s option was 13 million. Huge difference between 12 million and 20 plus million.
Fran and as I said it, the rain seems to have stopped! That may fare well for Beantown also.
guys the yanks can trade some pen arms to replenish position players.. it is not a crazy idea. they have bruney, britton, kyle, cox, that all could get at least a position prospect and Kyle could get more..
Kyle has done well lately but they would be fine without him and Melancon is down the road…….
Phil, the glory days of my youth! I remember in 1985, I think it was, when Sporting News was delivered to my house and the cover story was about ancient Phil Niekro and youngster Jose Rijo… Didn’t quite pan out like we thought.
5 reasons not to blame Grady Little on espn classic.
The radar looks like the worst of the storms are probably hitting boston right as I am typing. Then it seems like its just light rain, so I think the game will be getting in.
Trisha – guess it’s going to be one of those nights. We have had on and off rain and thunderstorms here all day.
Anyways…Washburn was very..very good today.
Who thinks we get trade confirmed in the 6th inning of today’s game?
LoL. Soriano still standing and watching his HR’s.
he was a fun leadoff hitter, when here. However, every time i watch Cano in the field, am thankful we have a 2nd baseman.
http://www.weather.com/weather.....ch_current
doesn’t look good
Melancon 3 shutout innings today with 4 K’s, his ERA is 1.80…
I have not read 1 bad thing about him…..
How hard does Aceves throw?
“Today, Ramirez said he doubted the Sox would actually move him.”
“They’re not stupid. Boston is not stupid. They’re not going to do it, they can say whatever they want. But when it comes to making a deal they’re not going to pull the trigger because they know what they’ve got here.
“I’m happy, but enough is enough.â€
Sox manager Terry Francona, who was caught off guard when Ramirez pulled himself from the starting lineup Friday night, told reporters today that he can live with a disgruntled Ramirez in the lineup.
“I’ll take a guy hitting .500 that’s miserable as opposed to a guy handing out bouquets of roses to his teammates and he’s hitting .145,†Francona said.
http://news.bostonherald.com/s.....id=1109382
vinny b.
it might be on milb.tv at milb.com but I didn’t check.
For those of you guessing about Manny I’ve got very good information.
Manny wants out of Boston. Boston wants away from Manny.
The rest remains to be seen.
This entire month of horror has been orchestrated by the baseball prince of darkness – Boras.
See if you can think clearly about this for a split second. Manny has been known to be an idiot but he is not known to be violent. Smacking Pukelisp and pushing down the travelling secretary was clearly out of character but necessary to try to get the Sux to pull the trigger quickly. It didn’t work so well so Manny then announced to Francoma he wasn’t playing in Seattle. An MRI shows there is nothing wrong with him.
Please tell me you don’t need the dots to be connected more than this for you. Please tell me you can put the rest together for yourselves and figure out the game that is going on.
Thanks!
ASH, look at the radar, it seems to say other wise.
“.What more can he do to get traded.”
I think it would take something like Ortiz turning on Manny for the Red Sox to cut him loose. Short of that, he’s with the team until the end of the year.
I hope Manny is in the NL by the deadline.
Melancon 3.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 4 K’s
show-off
Cody Ransom, a waste of a player. UGH
Oh until the end of the season? That’s certainly a distinct possibility. No longer than that though. Both parties want out.
Trisha,
Is your information from a source or are you just connecting the dots yourself?
I find it hard to believe that hitting Youk or going after the traveling secretary, things done in the heat of the moment, were demanded by Boras. If that were the case nobody would ever deal with him and I would assume there’s some legal action possible there as well.
Rubin-
Well I would say that depends who they get in return. Also if he is causing that much turmoil in the clubhouse we’d rather have him there.
the Staten Island Yanks put up a 5 spot in the first.
Manny is being played just like arod was…….boras only gets paid if he negotiates a new deal for manny, he wants them not to exercise the option.
Boras is his new agent
if you hear Manny in the audio feed it’s hilarious
Guys, look at the actual weather forecast you keep linking before you make wild predictions about rainouts and what not. There is NOTHING behind that rain on the radar, and it is moving at a rate that will clear it out not too long after game time. If anything, the game will start around 9, but certainly not get rained out.
Just because it’s raining in New York or raining at this time doesn’t mean it will be in an hour in Boston! You can’t just link a forecast that says it’s currently sprinkling or rainy and make up stuff about it! Please, look at the radar and actual information on it before you say stuff that’s baseless.
“He wants out of Boston, the sooner the better it seems.”
This business with Manny happens each year like clockwork. This year, it’s taken a bit more seriously due to Manny’s recent actions (none of which were dictated by Boras, by the way). I still say that BOS will keep the fool until the end of the year.
Eric – it’s from a source.
Listen to Manny being interviewed right now. “I’m tired of them, they’re tired of me.”
The source – All of WEEI plus Sean McAdam. They have been postulating that this was all a set up since Manny came out and said that John Henry was disrespecting him. They’re convinced that Boras is behind the whole thing.
I may not be the brightest bulb in the box (joking of course
) but this one is so easy to figure out it isn’t funny. Maybe part of it is that I am in the backyard of this loser team and so am bombarded with information all the time. I listen to WEEI as a matter of course.
Hahaha anyone see Phillips cringe like a man in pain when he was asked to talk about the Yankees’ resurgence
“Please, look at the…actual information on it before you say stuff that’s baseless.”
Matt…do you know where you are posting? That’s all anybody does here.
“Manny is being played just like arod was…….boras only gets paid if he negotiates a new deal for manny, he wants them not to exercise the option.”
Absolutely!
Don’t forget that his golden goose has flown the coop. That would be Arod.
Does anyone think Sir Sidney is still going to deserve his royal title after tonight’s game?
Sir Sidney’s performance may very well impact Cashman’s bargaining power vis a vis the Mariners.
Still, I think I’d almost prefer Rasner in this spot.
Please Wanger heal, heal, heal. I heal theee…
I had a dream….. Pavano pitched a no-hitter against Tampa on September 2.
Trisha,
I totally agree that Boras could’ve suggested that he talk about the disrespect or that he sit because of some phantom knee injury. I’m still a bit leery that Boras set up Manny to be in two physical confrontations.
Pete,
The situations are not very similar at all. Sheffield’s option was 13 mil, where Manny’s is 20. That’s a noticeable difference. Sheffield also did not have 10/5 rights, as Manny does. That’s a huge difference.
I don’t know why Manny has been asking to be traded. He and the Sox are made for each other. No other team would put up with him.
http://flairforthedramatic.mlblogs.com
Bombshell I was hearing the crack in his voice when he said Robi Cano .514 since the break.
“Manny is being played just like arod was…….boras only gets paid if he negotiates a new deal for manny, he wants them not to exercise the option.”
I could buy this except that 1)Boras would never tell Manny to commit an assault (he’s not that greedy) 2)Manny’s option is for $20mil. Which MLB team is prepared to pay him more than that a year? I think that there is something to the notion that Manny’s skills are starting to decline. Also, you have to deal with this “Manny being Manny” crap. I’d like to think that no team wants to pick up the headache that is Manny Ramirez for more than $20mil/yr, but I could be wrong.
Eric maybe he told Manny that he had to be entirely disruptive in the clubhouse and that’s the way Manny decided to do it! Still, watching Pukelisp get his mug backhanded was a magic moment!
Maybe they can solve two problems and trade Manny to Green Bay.
Trisha,
Agreed and agreed!
Laura, this wouldn’t be the first time that Boras overplayed his hand, would it.
Eric,
I don’t think that manny got in the physical altercations because Boras told him to, but I do think that Manny wants the sox not to exercise the option.
He wants 4 yrs 15million per.
As usual, this issue with the weather could have been avoided if not for the greedy networks who have to get their ratings so badly that they push the game times back to prime time knowing the iffy weather forecasts.
This game could have gotten in no problem at 1 pm without a single drop of rain falling and now it could be delayed and run late, in which case they won’t even get ratings because everyone will go to sleep or turn the TV off in frustration.
The greed of the networks, Fox and ESPN alike, has definitely soured the sport. Those two networks alone have generated so much hatred among the fans with their greedy, selfish coverage that it’s surprising they’re even allowed the rights still.
If Carl Pavano actually returns to the pitching staff this season, then… (then I don’t know what).
“Does anyone think Sir Sidney is still going to deserve his royal title after tonight’s game?”
He will do so well, after today he will be promoted from Sir Sidney to Lord Sidney
ASH,
You are probably right. And he’ll probably get it too.
“Maybe they can solve two problems and trade Manny to Green Bay”
if he’s willing to play in iraq. He is probably open to playing in green bay.
Manny might just be ready for a change and is tired of being with the RS. That might be enough to push him over the edge with the physical incidents he has shown this year.
Manny didn’t ask anything about being traded last year. This year it seems more than he did before, and his mailing it in for a few games seems to back it up.
Matt,
They’re allowed the rights because they are the highest bidders. Anyway, it isn’t like they moved the game to 8pm yesterday. It’s been a scheduled night game for a while now. You want them to decide this morning to change it back to a 1pm?
Gammons saying that nobody is probably going to want Manny this season but it definitely will be his last year at Fenway.
All a big setup I tell ya.
Baseball Tonight – Gammons saying wonderful things about Mo.
Oh what a weekend!
4-1 Red Wings over Scranton right now. Aceves gave up a home run and color man Joe Altobelli thinks he “may have tipped that” pitch off.
“Laura, this wouldn’t be the first time that Boras overplayed his hand, would it.”
I don’t doubt that Boras wants Manny to get an extended deal, but I don’t buy your allegation that he has orchestrated Manny’s crappy (and might I add illegal) behavior.
Not buying WEEI as a reliable source. I could believe that Boras is whispering in Manny’s ear that he can get him more on the open market but encouraging him to assault people is not exactly Scott’s MO.
“Don’t forget that his golden goose has flown the coop. That would be Arod.”
The goose may have flown but the golden egg remains. Boras is getting paid his commission on the contract and continues to be A-Rod’s agent for baseball matters. The father/son bond may be broken but the money continues to flow.
Was just going to channel surf away from BBT and then they announced an upcoming segment called “best homerun robbing catches”. You just know that the Melk’s catch of Manny’s jack has to be in there!
About time someone got to Aceveshe needs to fail once in awhile to make sure he’s for real.
Did Brandon add to the homerun total for Santana, and also add a 1/2 or 1/4 Beltran brought one back.
Yeh I did Jenn.
add 1/2 or 1/4 for the one Beltran brought back.
Pat -
I already said that it was probably more Boras telling Manny to be disruptive and Manny choosing how to do it.
“Boras is getting paid his commission on the contract and continues to be A-Rod’s agent for baseball matters.”
Absolutely unequivocally incorrect. Boras is not Arod’s agent on baseball matters.
This in fact was from Arod’s recent meeting with his exwife in Toronto:
The superagent Alex Rodriguez fired from negotiating his $275 million Yankees contract has stepped back into the slugger’s life to help arrange a truce between him and his estranged wife, a source said Sunday.
Arod severed his business relationship with Boras when he (Arod) negotiated with the Yankees.
In considering a trade for Mark Texeira does anyone think that the Braves might want to dump the contract of Tim Hudson? I would consider trading some high level prospects to get Hudson.
I don’t doubt that Boras wants Manny to get an extended deal, but I don’t buy your allegation that he has orchestrated Manny’s crappy (and might I add illegal) behavior.
Gee did Pete delete my post where I said that Boras likely did not tell him exactly what to do but did likely counsel him to be disruptive????
There is not a question that Boras is behind all of this. But I can sleep well tonight if posters here think otherwise.
This thread is unbelieveable–it should be put out of its misery.
If Sidney Ponson does poorly it put the pressure on Cashman? Are you serious?
Get rid of Farnsworth to make room for Bruney?
Boras orchestrating everything?
Steve, Hudson left a game the other day with pain in his elbow or shoulder.
Now it looks like the skies over fenway field may be clearing. Stay tuned!
I’m kind of amazed at the lack of information on Boras and exactly how he operates. Oh well.
And Liriano just gave up a three-run jack, Nick Green took him yard. First home run Liriano has given up in six starts.
jennifer
Nevermind then. I always liked Hudson and thought he would be great as a Yankee but the last thing we need is another injured pitcher. But you might think if we took an injured Hudson off the Braves hands they might want less for Tex.
Washburn’s performance today only solidifies what the Yanks need, a good solid 5th !! Come on Cash!!
Buster- Just said no Yankees scouts watched Washbum pitch today.
It isn’t easy being Green. Was Sterling there to call that homer lol.
Tarp coming off the field.
They also said they have seen what they need to see.
Alright drinking game tonight !
Oh never mind. The homerun robbing gems are just from this season.
Steve I always wanted him here too, but if he has had injury problems now, we don’t touch him with a 10 foot pole.
Will Washburn be worth a trade as an upgrade over Ponson/Rasner? Is he that much better then either of them?
*****Breaking News*****
The tarp is coming off the field and Manny was found smoking a doobie behind the Green Monster.
Buster- Just said no Yankees scouts watched Washbum pitch today.
They evaluated enough, they want Washburn but are not desperate for him.
Will Washburn be worth a trade as an upgrade over Ponson/Rasner? Is he that much better then either of them?
YES !
When confronted, Manny reportedly said, “like wow, Man”. http://www.mugdish.com/images/.....amirez.jpg
“Arod severed his business relationship with Boras when he (Arod) negotiated with the Yankees.”
Wrong. This quote is straight from the NYT article…
“The William Morris Agency bolstered its sports management business Monday by signing Alex Rodriguez as a client. The New York Yankees star and frequent tabloid piñata will continue to use Scott Boras as his baseball agent and Guy Oseary as his manager.”
http://theblogofchampions.com/?p=155
this site has a great trade deadline preview!
Nady shocked
Doesn’t he look like he wants to say we can do that here ?
trisha
sorry but you’re wrong. Boras still represents A-Rod in all baseball matters. He said so as late as last Monday.
From WSJ
“Mr. Boras, who has represented Mr. Rodriguez throughout his career, said he will continue to represent the slugger in any baseball-related negotiations. “I do Alex’s baseball work,” Mr. Boras said Monday.
The recent circus surrounding Manny was absolutely NOT orchestrated by Manny or by Boras. Think about it. Boras would not do anything that would reduce the value of Manny to a team that might want to pick him up and exercise his option or negotiate an extension or a new contract. Saying his knee hurts and assaulting teammates does exactly that. No way Boras suggest, encourages or even condones that.
So who could it have been orchestrated by? I think it should be very obvious. It’s being orchestrated by the same folks who determine what the Boston media says more than anyone else — the same folks who successfully assassinated the character of Nomar and Pedro on the way out — the Boston front ownership/front office. And they’re doing it for exactly the same reasons — to publicize the availability of their player; to claim that it’s not because he’s suffering from physical deterioration, but only because he’s making a stink because he wants out; and to justify their decision to their fan base (since he’s such a problem and such a bad guy). Again, how many times do they have to do it — a la Nomar, Pedro, etc., before it’s totally transparent?
And don’t say that the Boston media and ESPN w/Gammons and Philips isn’t in the tank for the Red Sox management. Of course they are. And therefore, they’ve generally been in the tank for “Manny being Manny” before and Pedro before him even when he threw down an old (Yankee) man and throws fastballs at Yankees’ heads (a la Posada) and injures Yankees (like Jeter). Again, the primary reason why ESPN and the rest of the Boston media are not in the tank for Manny today is that Boston ownership/management doesn’t want ‘em to be (for the reasons listed).
Anyone see that pitch by Randy Johnson just now on ESPN?? Boat horn during the middle of his pitch and he just flicked it in there about 40 mph for a strike – batter looked up like what the hell was that??
anyone know how to find a link on it?
Mark, did you read Phil Mushnick’s column in the New York Post in which he again took John Sterling to the woodshed? A good read, and an agreeable one.
OK Best line of the week
On the Jor Girardi show Joe was tlaking about Old Timers Day on Saturday and he said Moose who he is starting on Saturday came up to him and asked “do I need to start BOTH games”
That’s the second time the Blog of Champions preview has been pimped here. Unfortunately, it’s quite lame.
The Boras /Arod thing was discussed when he signed his new deal. Boras is still is “baseball agent” but being as this current contract is more than likely his last there i really nothing for him to do on the baseball side of things. Also Oseary is not a certified baseball agent accordin g to MLB
“The William Morris Agency bolstered its sports management business Monday by signing Alex Rodriguez as a client. The New York Yankees star and frequent tabloid piñata will continue to use Scott Boras as his baseball agent and Guy Oseary as his manager.â€
That’s completely false on the Boras angle, the first time Boras recieved a call was for the custody battle basically to keep the sides at bay. (Remember Arod, Crod and Boras have known each other for years.) He has only seeked Boras through this event other than that they haven’t spoken.
That’s pretty funny, Gayle! Moose is a lot funnier now that he’s winning games. Last year, not so much!
“He has only seeked Boras through this event other than that they haven’t spoken.”
Brandon, are you kidding me? You are saying this like you know it for a fact. Hell, A-Rod could be on the phone with Boras right now for all we know.
It doesn’t matter if A-Rod doesn’t have any baseball matters to attend to at this very moment. As far as he is concerned, Boras is his baseball agent. As such, Trisha’s pronouncement that A-Rod has cut Boras out of his life is wrong. That’s the only point people are trying to make.
aarrggg..
this is all part of ESPN’s conspiracy to save bosox from humiliation and utter shame.
what a surprise.
hahah
Interesting since Arod himself came out last year and said he had severed his relationship with Boras.
NO JOE MORGAN!! WOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Thats an awful angle!!!
Laura he is still his agent representative, there is no point in him being fired, it’s hard to explain, think of it you do your job and that’s all type of thing, but Alex hasn’t been seeking him, I’m pretty sure it also was the Yankees FO that advised him to get him into this custody battle.
Again cut out of his life and working for him are 2 different things.
Just send a letter?
“Interesting since Arod himself came out last year and said he had severed his relationship with Boras.”
I’m sure A-Rod also told his wife that he’s never cheated on her.
I like the “TOO MANNY I$$UES” sign, haha.
If the game is indeed delayed, humor yourself by checking out firejoemorgan.com. It’s often hilarious, especially when Joe’s chats are the target of ridicule.
Third game in a row I can’t watch because of, respectively, stupid friends, Fox, and rain.
Well Laura when it comes to believing Arod or Boras, I invite you to pick your poison.
Someone tell Mr Met that he spent too much time in the tanning booth.
Oh God, do we have to listen to this Manny stuff during the entire game?
this game will start around 915
http://www.weather.com/weather.....ayer=radar
trisha
A-Rod never said that. Others did.
what’s up w/ Orel’s nose ?
oral hershieser is really focused tonight
AHH OREL STOP GIVING ME THE EVIL EYE!!
that’s what happens when ESPN has to talk good about the Yankees
“Someone tell Mr Met that he spent too much time in the tanning booth.”
His head is almost as big as Mr. Met’s. His ego is even bigger though.
And I suppose you think that Arod did his own negotiating with the Yankees after Boras announced to the world that Arod was opting out of his contract with the Yankees, (it was Warren Buffet who got him back in touch with the Steinbrenners) but that Arod paid him his commission anyway????
Oh, okay.
Man… talk about radio-faces in the ESPN crew
Anybody got a Red Sox letterhead? I think we should write Manny a letter right away!
Brandon I was wondering that myself.
Was his nose always like that?
wow u see how the orrel guy looks while talki bout dem yanks looks like he did a line befo the broadcast
Yeah. I’m with pat. I’m pretty sure A-Rod never said that.
Brandon – probably lol
Even Molina said when he came here that he was upset about being traded here because he didn’t think we had great chemestry and didn’t have much fun… but he found out it was just a misconception and he loves it here because he said they are like a family.
Nady probably had the same misconception and thought we were the old, corporate Yankees and didn’t have fun and were too business-like.
Now he probably is excited about the trade after seeing how much fun they have
Great fake smile by Mr. Met after he asks Orel a question.
anyone have an idea on when they are gonna start this? 8:30? 9? mehh i got work tomorrow at 6:30
YESSSSSSSS! Yankee fans REJOICE! THERE IS NO JOE MORGAN ON TONIGHTS BROADCAST!!!!
Thanks Goose.
Pro: Filling in providing expert analysis, good-guy Orel Hershiser.
Con: Filling in providing expert d-baggery, Nation Appreciation’s own Steve Phillips.
Haha. Enjoy the game gents. Keep your broom in the room.
So… no Joe Morgan, but we get Steve Phillips as a consolation prize.
Nice!!!!!!
Pat, others may have said it but Arod said it too. I will try to find you the quote.
Now whether you believe it actually ever took place is another matter altogether.
Great sign by Boston Fan
Too Manny I$$ues
thank god! we dont have to deal with joe morgan saying stupid things all night.
that miller high life ad couldn’t be funnier
Elliot Maddox is in South Florida I believe – I played against his son in high school down here – i’m pretty sure he’s coaching too, got to meet him that was pretty cool.
http://www.weather.com/weather.....ayer=radar
are people that lazy where they wont check the radar themselves to see how long the rain will last???????????
I’m back from “Wicked”
The game can start now =D
See Orel’s thin lips that never move? Like a GD ventriloquist. Creepy.
I dont know if anybody knows anything but Baseball prospectus list Ian Kennedy as pitching next week in place of Rasner
Rebecca =
So? What did ya think of it?
Me? I was bawling at intermission and a complete wreck by the end of the show.
Does Joe Morgan eat his dinner while calling the games? sounds like it sometimes…MYUMMUNCHMYUM
Rebecca, who did you see in Wicked? I saw the off-Broadway tour last year and it was absolutely fantastic!
Gotta love Santana pitching a CG today. Can’t trust that bullpen with an 8 run lead.
Another rain delay/possible rain out. Thanks yet again ESPN!
No. 10 Angels at No. 5 Yankees, Thursday-Sunday July 31-August 3
Probable pitching matchups: Jon Garland vs. Andy Pettitte, Ervin Santana vs. Sidney Ponson, Jered Weaver vs. Ian Kennedy, John Lackey vs. Mike Mussina
“I dont know if anybody knows anything but Baseball prospectus list Ian Kennedy as pitching next week in place of Rasner”
Interesting….
Orel is a great upcoming analyst but he snoops alot of info..and w/ that nose I he has to take his craft serious.
Oh you guys are talking about Steve Phillips. I thought you meant the other big head Mr. Met the mascot.
Rebecca – I’m thinking of treating my wife to an evening of Broadway – How did you find Wicked?
Kruk doesn’t think that Joba is the real deal. Wow! All of that fat has finally done damage to his brain.
Did Kruk seriously just say “I don’t think Joba is for real yet”?
Seriously?
Joe I don’t mean to answer for Rebecca but Wicked is an absolutely fabulous show! I can only imagine that the Broadway cast has to be at least as good as the travelling cast, probably better!
I didn’t realize we had a 4 game stint booked with LAA. Ugh!
Manny has been spotted at the concession stand buying nachos and hot dogs
Thanks JoeT. Nice to hear he is well. He was a pleasure to watch paying Center field. Duck Soup!
Joe from Long Island -
I haven’t spoken to anyone who hasn’t absolutely loved “Wicked.” It’s a fantastic show. (I know you didn’t ask me, but, I had to put my 2 cents in)
Krust also said Marte hung a pitch that Ortiz would normally hit out of the park.
Did anyone see such an offering yesterday?
I didnt read above, so it might have already been noted…but Orel Hershiser scared the garbage out of me when he was talking about the Yankees. His facial expressions freaked me out.
Peter-
The reason Boston isn’t picking up the option is because this whole thing has been orchestrated by Boras. Boras and Manny are making it impossible for Boston to pick up the option. If they pick it up, he’ll just do what he’s doing this year. Make their lives miserable.
Manny wants a new contract. He doesn’t want to switch teams. He knows if he stays in Boston they’ll just pick up those two options.
I wouldn’t have a problem with PHI taking Manny. Anything to get him out of the AL.
Any word on exactly when this game is supposed to start? ESPN is predicting the uber vague “sooner than later” and I don’t want to tune into a second more of their idiocy than I have to!
can we get some baseball for crist sake!!!! i dont want to listen to kruk for an hour
then again i don’t want to listen to miller and phillups either
Doreen I bawled too. I actually didn’t know that Wicked was the back story to the Wizard of Oz.
Joe and Doreen: I loved it.
Elphaba is so TOTALLY a Ravenclaw.
This is ridiculous. There is no rain over Boston.. it is all over the ocean and when ESPN showed that beginning segment it was not raining. I am a meteorologist down in NC ( die hard yankee fan) and the radar has not shown rain over Boston for the last 20 minutes… and there is no sign of any development.
That’s the best match I see
Burrell is pissed w/ the Phillies
Manny is pissed w/ the Soxs
headache for headache
Garland-Pettitte – Adv. NYY
Santana-Ponson – Adv. LAA
Weaver-Kennedy – Adv. LAA
Lackey-Mussina – toss up
Ouch… we need to acquire Washburn ASAP.
I think Manny would fit in well with The Mets.
Patrick Bateman – absolutely correct on Boras and Manny.
I don’t care enough about Manny Ramirez to spend the time connecting the dots to develope insight on anything he does.
I’m just thankful he’s the Red Sox’s headache and not the Yankees.
40 mins? Are you kidding me?
Does Manny really think he’s going to get $20 mill per, at this point in his career? Look at the awful Andrew Jones signing. Don’t know if they are comparable, but for a looney like Manny, what team will give him close to $20 million?
Anybody check the weather forecast? How’s it looking over there? They just said 9pm start
40 more mins of commercials way to go ESPN$$$$$
9:00??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yeah, both the “Joba’s not for real yet” and the “Big Fatty normally would have taken Marte out of the park” were both mind-boggling nonsense. Both pitchers were filthy against NESPN’s boys. Eat another cheeseburger, Kruk.
9 pm start?! Boo….well at least no more ESPN for 40 min
Game scheduled for 9:00.
Guys – thanks for the input.
Let’s have some baseball, now!
“I think Manny would fit in well with The Mets.”
He does. He and Reyes can be idiots together.
The funniest comment Manny made (he swung his cojones w/ this one)
“Boston is not stooopid”
If this continues, Manny will be playing for Jerry Jones and the Cowboys next year
Manny “I am tired of them they are tired of me” 20 million a year and he is tired. Who is going to want him?
Wait…Kennedy is starting against the Angels? Since when?
Ok I’ll bite what would the Mets give for Manny ?
Where is this info coming from, regarding Kennedy taking Rasner’s place in the rotation? I thought he was going to have to earn his way back with an extended stay in AAA? I think if the Yanks are pretty certain the Ponson/Rasner combo will implode sometime soon, then the Washburn deal is a necessity, right now.
Somewhere, Brett Favre is pissed because Manny is stealing his spotlight.
DONNYBALL
you can check the weather ure self.. go to http://www.weathher.com
or the weather channel.. or on ure cell phone..
kennedy? when the hell did this happen?
Epstein will not cancel the game with Ponson going for NY.
I’m waiting …
omg just start the game..
Manny just signed with Boras this year. Fasten your seatbelt!
I probably wouldn’t care about this stuff either if I weren’t in the backyard of the loser team. WEEI is the only sport station I get to listen to.
“Ok I’ll bite what would the Mets give for Manny ?”
That’s the problem. Unless it’s their top prospect (who they wouldn’t trade to PIT for Nady), I don’t see the Mets having anything that BOS would want. But that doesn’t change the fact that he would fit in well in their clubhouse.
What the hell was Trembley doing w/ the cigar
Manny is now sliding on his back on the rain slick tarp and giggling non stop
Who would the Mets give for Manny? 2 B Prospects and a Player to be named later
Trisha =
It’s not “really” the back story. Gregory Maguire wrote a story Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West. It is a fantastic book that was then adapted to the stage musical. The musical, of course, makes several changes to the story as written, so that it can work, but I highly, highly recommend the book. He’s also done a couple of other books that put a different twist to Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty. Both are good, but not nearly as good as Wicked.
The author just imagined this whole scenario, this whole story because of his fascination with the Wizard of Oz.
Of course, I love the take on what is truly “evil” and “good” and how people’s perceptions and misconceptions have a lot to do with those definitions. But I especially loved how the stage musical featured this really strong friendship between the two female leads. You never see that in the theater. And of course the music is out of this world. Did you know the composer also wrote Pippin? Steven Schwartz.
First time Tremley smoked a cigar and it was not even lit.
Who would the Mets give for Manny? 2 B Prospects and a Player to be named later
And that’s not enough.
If the Sox traded Manny I’m sure they would need some big league talent to fill the whole he’d make. Someone mentioned Pat Burrell earlier, that might work if the Phillies added a prospect or something.
The Mets have no one in their system besides that outfielder, and possibly, Pelfrey, who they are now seeing can pitch at the MLB level. I don’t see them making any deals for anyone significant because Omar looted the system. Moron.
Doreen: YES! Gregory Maguire is fantastic!
And by “whole” i mean “hole”
9:00 First Pitch…
“Who would the Mets give for Manny? 2 B Prospects and a Player to be named later
And that’s not enough.”
Thanks, genius.
nine PM is crazy.
That said, guess what movie is now on TNT?
Brandon celebrating the fact that this isthe first SUnday game they have won since the 6th game of the season. Can you imagine the poor people in Baltimore who have the SUnday ticket plan and have not seen the team win until today lol
I am getting anxious for some live beisbol. And I still don’t know how do you go over three months without winning on a Sunday! They showed all of the events that were happening on April 6, the date of the O’s last Sunday win. One of them was Kansas and Memphis prepping for the next night’s national title game. Seeing that almost made me cry.
it is best i think for us yankees fans if Manny stays and they let him go after this season, and just hope the sox don’t win it this season. If they make a deal, they are going to get a ton back from him, and they already have a young nucleus, so ide be willing to wait a half year with manny instead of them having a good player and a bunch of good prospects. thats just my opinion though
BOS already tried talking to the Mets about Manny. They couldn’t come to a deal. Unless the Mets are sending Beltran, I don’t see how they make that one work.
trisha,
Manny might be the first client Boras ever fires! Manny will drive him crazy.
I will gladly drive to philly pick up pat drive him to boston drop him off pick up manny and drive him back to phily and would do it for free and i would pay the gas. However can the phillies get some kind of pitcher as well lol
Who cares what SJ44 says? This is the poster who said they should trad everyone a month ago and rebuild.
If the game gets out of hand. Do the Yanks throw some chin music? If yes, who gets it? That’s right who. Who gets it?
Trisha,
All you have to do is tune into the web broadcasts at http://www.1050espn.com to get all the Yankee news you want. I live in Asia and am up-to-date on all the latest.
Richard Neer is pushing it, he is agreeing w/ a caller
Carlos Beltran for Jacoby Ellsbury and Manny Ramirez (what are you smoking ?)
“Garland-Pettitte – Adv. NYY
Santana-Ponson – Adv. LAA
Weaver-Kennedy – Adv. LAA
Lackey-Mussina – toss up
Ouch… we need to acquire Washburn ASAP.”
I dont think one regular season series of matchups has much to do with Washburn.
If in the playoffs:
Lackey-Chamberlain – Adv NY
Saunders-Pettitte – Close
Santana-Mussina – Close
Weaver – Kennedy/Hughes/or Wang? – Close
The Yankees won’t throw at anyone for the heck of it.
I love how ESPN keeps us very informed with what’s going on with the rain delay, from the get-go. Great job!
Manny’s value is going down faster than the equity in my home.
The Yankees might actually be the toughest team for the Angels to play.
The Angels have the record they do because they know how to win on the road.
The Yankees are the only other AL, mabye ML team with a winning road record.
Doreen, you’re right it’s not really the back story. I guess I meant that I didn’t even know it was about the Wizard of Oz until I was actually there watching it. (I think I had to be the only person there who didn’t know.)
I also didn’t know that Steven Schwartz was the composer!
One of my sisters saw it on Broadway when Idina Menzel and Kristin Chenoweth were the principals. She was so blown away that as an extra gift for Christmas this past year she bought all of us tickets (brothers and sisters and spouses) to see it when the off Broadway tour came to the Performing Arts Center here.
Of course I was almost sick from crying by the end of the show!
at least yanks have no game tomorrow.
Brandon (Cashman deals w/ a ski mask & a gun) (Johan HR count: *18)
July 27th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
The funniest comment Manny made (he swung his cojones w/ this one)
“Boston is not stooopidâ€
Brandon you just mad because you dont make 20 million a year like him. You racist son of a B-tch.
Underdog,
They play Baltimore at 7 tomorrow night.
I’m sure you can give us an advantage with Joba over Lackey. That is nothing against Joba either, but it seems like Lackey always pitches lights out vs the Yanks.
Yanks play the O’s tomorrow.
Let’s get real and call the damned game. ESPN greed conquers all ? They’ll be lucky if there’s 20,000 fans in the ballpark by the 4th inning.
Train service in the little college cowtown stops at 12:00.
not sure*
This is a good site with some very baseball smart guys….CB, SJ44,Pat M, Randy I, Whozat, Nick in SF,Jeff in NJ, but for the most part the site is littered with homer’s that waste place…..
Trisha -
Your sister is extremely generous!!!
Geeze it was actually two Christmases ago!
Wang, thanks for that info. It isn’t that I don’t get all of the Yankee updates as it is that I love listening to RSN whine, and I especially love listening to WEEI when the Sux have lost games. And of course the creme de la creme is when they’ve lost to the Yankees!
Being as close as I am to Boston it is impossible not to know a lot about the daily life of the team!
Brandon you just mad because you dont make 20 million a year like him. You racist son of a B-tch.
Someone tell this a**wipe that I’m a latino.
Manny for Beltran – I would guess that both Theo and Omar would think about it.
Oh God, we have to listen to this fool again? Ugh!!
Lets Try.. Personal attacks are unacceptable.
Menzel and Chenoweth (sp?) could sing a cookbook and make it great. Those two are incredible singers and performers. Rent with Menzel was out of this world.
Thsts the problem with TV (ESPN) being in control. If and thats If the game starts at 9pm, it ends if the Yanks are lucky by 12:30am? by the time they get back to NY??? Meanwhile Baltimore finished at like 5pm today. Its a joke.
I realize that this is looking ahead just a bit, but I think we may be better equipped to handle the Angels this season, because we have Jose Molina behind the plate.
Jose can completely shut down a team’s running game, and having him behind the plate can go a long way toward muting the baserunning effectiveness of guys like Chone Figgins, Howie Kendrick, and Gary Matthews, Jr. With all due respect to Jorge, he never could do that quite like Molina.
The past several years they have run wild on the Yankees, and Molina can help provide a stop to that. That’s also where the better pitching comes into play, keeping those guys off base as well.
yep. I got free tickets to a rays sox games a few years back (maybe 2003 or 04. I had to leave early because those stupid “T”s end at midnight. what a joke!! Learn from NYC, you can stay at a game as long as you want, unless of coarse you have to go back to NJ…
Doreen, she truly is very generous. She also makes a very good living plus gets awesome bonuses at Christmastime! That’s not to take away from her generosity of course, because she could just be a selfish witch and spend it all on herself!
She is a tremendous sister. I am really blessed with the brothers and sisters I have. They could feel they drew the short straw with me though!
“Manny for Beltran – I would guess that both Theo and Omar would think about it.”
That’s not a deal I would make if I was Omar. Granted, Beltran has not lived up to the huge salary they are paying him, but he’s younger and has more potential. Manny is on the downside of his career. Plus, he’s a first class jerk and an all around pain in the rear. Jose Reyes is already taking up that spot for the Mets. They don’t need two jerks in the clubhouse.
Lester vs. Ponson was one of the matchups (the second of the double header on day 1) of that 5 game sweep in 2006
Who cares what SJ44 says? This is the poster who said they should trad everyone a month ago and rebuild.
He didn’t say that, and you’re an idiot.
thinking that when manny said
“Boston is not stooopidâ€
is funny
is NOT racist.
calm down, and save your extreme and unfounded accusations for real abominable racist behavior/comments silly goose.
ya game is starting
What’s more likely
Beltran for Manny and Ellsbury
or
Burrell & Gholson or Victorino for Manny and Ellsbury
“Thsts the problem with TV (ESPN) being in control. If and thats If the game starts at 9pm, it ends if the Yanks are lucky by 12:30am? by the time they get back to NY??? Meanwhile Baltimore finished at like 5pm today. Its a joke.”
Well, we are catching a break that the flight to NYC from BOS is only 45 mins.
“I’m sure you can give us an advantage with Joba over Lackey. That is nothing against Joba either, but it seems like Lackey always pitches lights out vs the Yanks.”
Mark, I did think about that… but I knew I’d be crucified if I didn’t give Joba the edge there. I tried to be as impartial as possible.
But if Moose and Andy keep this up, it’s a very close matchup.
Ellsbury isn’t going anywhere. Are there legit rumors?
Ponson please!
Another little factoid. Menzel is married to Taye (sp) Diggs.
Manny to the Dodgers for either Looney AND Kemp or Billingsly straight up?
Manny to the Angels for Ervin Santana, Adenhert, and Napoli?
Manny to the Phillies for Burrell straight up?
Manny to the Mets for Beltran straight up, or F-Mart/Niese?
Those are probably the only teams that will take his salary, unless they work out a 3-team deal were they get Holliday or somebody.
boston wont trade ellsbury for johan why would they trade manny and him for beltran who is struggling
KARL RAVECH HAVE DINNER PLANS OR SOMETHING?????????????????????????
Whoa, whoa, baseball prospectus has Ian Kennedy starting for us in the series against the Angels vs Jered Weaver! Mixed feelings, I am hoping he will do good, if, in fact, this is true. But I kind of want to see Rasner against the Angels.
I am very excited to see that Hughes is starting his rehab. I hope he will get back to the Bronx.
“He didn’t say that, and you’re an idiot.”
He kind of did but we shouldn’t hold that against him. As the saying goes “A wise man changes his mind, a fool never.”
manny for loney and kemp
why do you even post that?
I am already really tired. First there is the anticipation of waiting all day for the darned game. Then there is the actual 9:00 start. I’m sitting here yawning up a storm.
In case I end up nodding off in the middle, enjoy the game all, and GO YANKEES!
Karl Ravech is dating Kim Jones
Manny for Burrel! It would suck for the Mets, and the Phillies get a star out fielder. And the Red Six lose alot offensively. That would be the best case scenario for us!
Laura, I agree with you. But I think that Omar would love to make a splash, get a better hitter (albeit on the downside), and fill the seats in the ballpark. I think that would be his calculus, rather than the more rational one that you gave.
I don’t think Hughes will be back this year, but that is my unfounded opinion.
ian kennedy replace ponson or rasner?
Hey look! Baseball game!
PHI is only paying Burrell $14mil. Manny makes $18mil this year. If they agree to split the differnce, why not?
Look at the smiles in the Yankee dugout! What a difference a few months makes…
Thank you ESPN – you could have played in the afternoon.
He kind of did but we shouldn’t hold that against him. As the saying goes “A wise man changes his mind, a fool never.â€
Yeah, good point with the quote. I thought that SJ44′s point was that if the Yankees had to make a trade that included Tabata/Jackson/Kennedy to pick up good talent this year, that they should do it. It wouldnt be a rebuilding move..
manny is way better hitter than burrell i think boston will want another guy back
would you trade Hughes for Lester straight up?
I really depise ESPN. I absolutely hate Jon Miller, but at least Joe Morgan isnt there!
“Laura, I agree with you. But I think that Omar would love to make a splash, get a better hitter (albeit on the downside), and fill the seats in the ballpark. I think that would be his calculus, rather than the more rational one that you gave.”
Getting Manny would definitely make a splash; that would get the Mets on the back of the Daily News.
i hate these house money games… i feel like they never go well
ESPN’s graphic accidentally had Beckett pitching tonight. On one day’s rest, that’s pretty excessive.
why cant espn play a 4 o clock game like fox
I don’t know if I’d classify any of Lester’s pitches as “devastating”, but Hershiser seems to think so. I hope he doesn’t pull another shutout out of his rear-end tonight.
Manny is in left still eating hot dogs
Doris-
NEVER! Hughes will be better than Lester!
My house money is on the Yankees…
I kinda was hoping for joe morgan so he could gush over his lust for cano tonight
I think Johnny breaks a bat with every AB.
I hope the person who created the mute button got a free pass into heaven.
I hate Fenway only slightly less than I hate Wrigley.
Was the jump needed?????
Nice catch.
Steve Phillips makes me want to hurl.
He didn’t have to jump…..
I always take it as a good sign when balls fly into the outfield early in the game.
Wow, Ellsbury made that play better than it really is. That stupid show off. Good, U hope hes hurt
Gammons said Sox top prospects for Manny.
Me thinks Theo is looking to get younger and keep payroll flexibility. Sound familiar?
Has Lester always had a mid-90′s fastball? I’ve never seen that before from him.
Espn hearts beantwon
“I hate Fenway only slightly less than I hate Wrigley.”
Funny that you say that because I also hate both, but mine are definitely flipped.
EDIT Gammons said Sox *WANT* top prospects for Manny.
There goes the no hitter.
Manny could have had that ball. But thank you Manny!
Who’s the third dude in the booth?
Once again I will throw my support behind keeping Bobby Abreu
I’d like to see ARod jack-one in response to yesterday.
how many time is miller going to say HOF Joe morgan???
If ESPN could find a way to make love to fenway park they would do it.
3rd guy in the booth is Jim Leyritz
“Funny that you say that because I also hate both, but mine are definitely flipped.”
Really? It’s a close 1 & 2, but Wrigley is definitely first.
Phillips wailing on A-Rod’s clutch performance.
Hmm…Papelbon fastball + A-Rod = win in Boston.
I want to see pukeilis get hit with a line drive to the head. He makes me sick.
The jump was because he was running full speed and not sure how close he was to the wall. Calm down, folks. If you want to try that…go outside and run full speed towards your house while looking away from the wall. Even with a warning track, it is extremely difficult to do in that crook of Fenway Park’s OF.
I don’t hate Fenway; just the Red Sox.
Jeez…can the ESPN find anyone who does not hate the Yankees besides Max Kellerman?
Joe T – and I also, re: Bobby Abreu.
Leyritz? Really? I had no idea he worked for ESPN.
Rubin-JohnKruk,
I’d say that is messed up of you. That dude plays hard.
Just missed it.. Godd inning though.. Yanks look there ready to sweep..
As much as manny can not a be a professional somtimes he is extremely hilarious every minute of the day
It is Orel Hershiser
I think Fenway is the most hideous ball park I have ever gone to. It has nothing to do with the Sux. I just personally find it ugly. But of course I hate the Sux also.
I don’t think Lester has his good stuff. The guys got some good swings off in that first inning. Unfortunately, they hit the balls right at people.
the espn yankee hatred conspiracy theories on here are priceless
Before the game, the announcer orel hershiser was saying a bunch of good things about the Yankees. He better stop because he’s putting his job in jeopardy, I’m surprised he hasn’t already been fired for saying a bunch of good things about them.
Phillips hates the Yankees more than anyone..from his days with the Muts.
Alright, Ponson time.
Jon Miller is in love with Joe Morgan. He will be heartbroken about Cano, because Carew>>>>>>>>Morgan. And Cano will be the next Carew. Thats why both of those pieces hate Cano.
What language do they speak in Aruba? Spanish?
cue the sirens now.
there goes the perfect game
I’d get Giese warming right about now.
….opening bottle wrap
They speak Arubian
Uh oh. That almost hit Pukelis. I’m surprised he’s not whinning.
Ugh. Time for my stress level to rise rapidly. Ponson
I love reading all the good takes on this blog but I’m sick of all the bitching. If you don’t like espn or the yankees anouncers go watch someting else there is always home shopping
LOL, at Jon Millers excitement for a Ellbury hit. Meanwhile he announces like he normally does with Bobby’s hit
“the espn yankee hatred conspiracy theories on here are priceless”
Truth is priceless, I’m with you.
A topic for another time however.
Laura- Went to Aruba on vacation once. Everyone spoke English, but I think they have a dialect now as well.
Damn ball took too long.
If Sidney’s getting grounders, we should be okay.
My friend who’s a die hard Sox fan (I know, I’m a traitor), thinks ESPN is incredibly Yankee biases.
I think it just depends on who’s commenting.
Who knew Youkilis had any speed?
IF we win this game I will be a very happy man.
ok ok
2 more outs big guy
I mean Pedroia, not Ellsbury…Joe m, I love the Yankees announcers.
Oh gracious, they’re showing Pavano pitching for the Yankees!!
I hate that angle, it looked like he was out.
HA HA PAVANO PITCHING ON ESPN
Laura, I think it’s called Papimiento, something like that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruba#Language
So I’m not crazy. Jose Molina has the lowest catcher’s ERA in the league. He calls a great game.
pavano????
uh pavano? good job espn.
According to ESPN’s fielding lineup, Carl Pavano is pitching! Such great coverage…
the morons at espn had pavano listed as the yankees pitcher in that graphic they just put up. nice.
Did you see that? ESPN had Pavano on the mound when they put up the Yankee defensive line up, not Ponson. They only had it up for a few seconds
Not everybody loves the Yankees. Many hate them, some are apathetic, especially since we stopped winning every year. Expecting everyone to be like John Sterling is ludicris, and that kind of complaining is just abnoxious.
Soo the Yankees score for himm.. Geese sometimes pitchers get lucky but they are making it out to be that Ponson has be horrible.. He has not at all.. He has done everything a 4th starter is supposed to do.. Pitch atleast 5 innings and keep the team in the ball club.. I believe Ponson has an edge to him and know this game is dependent on his future.. In return Ponson wil be throwing a gem..
anyone just see the defensive lineups for the yankees? apparently our pitchet tonight is “pavano”
“They speak Arubian”.
Actually, it’s called Papiamento.
I just choked when I saw that graphic! Idiots!!!
I hate ESPN coverage. Its same crap different game with them. You can always rely on them to bring up certain things Every. Single. Time. Every. Single. Game.
It’s predictable.
I can’t spell.
Great throw by Bobby.
Alex should have stepped on Kevins head.
here we go….
Oh my jeezus
This might be a long night
Rebecca, your friend really needs to watch ESPN more often. Alot of Red Sox fans know ESPN is incredibly Red Sux biased.
Oh my god, again with these terrible umpires, UGH. And Miller gets extatic again
Well I guess when you’ve lost two in your own house you’re hell bent not to lose the third one…
STFU Phillips
that is a gun!…. double play here.. Manny won’t run out a ground ball
Bobby probably just made the best throw I’ve seen him make.
Pity he was late.
Come on Sidney get the 6-4-3
I’d give Ponson a 3 run limit. 3 runs, no matter when they occur, he’s gone.
That was seriously a GREAT throw by abreu.
Wow espn is fully of idiots.
he looked out..
…now popping the cap to the bottle
ponson =/
Get ready Geise!
So do we get Giese up now or next inning?
ekk it is happening get someone up
Uh, is it too late to trade for Washburn?
Ponson’s getting smacked around. He’s low, but he’s getting way too much of the plate.
Nice to see Pavano back on the mound.
this pavano guy ain’t pitching too well.
Hey LOOK it’s Sidney Ponson again!
Oy. Sidney. Let’s at least get out of the first inning, okay?
hope girardi is quick to pull the starting pitcher
Ponson’s left the ball out over the plate to the last two hitters. He needs to hit a spot and get a grounder here.
Ponson is throwing scared
It’s not about the first inning, it’s about the whole 9 innings. The Red Sox scored first last night too and lost 10-3. “Impressive” first inning? Wow talk about Bias. The only hard hit ball was Ramirez’s ball and they had Youkilis out at first on the DP too!
Ugh. Steve Phillips is truly obnoxious.
# BBFan July 27th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
“….Prove that with facts for this year.
more walks, more hits.â€
Give the numbers for the season including the innings, not pluff statments….
Turn on ESPN
there is no way ponson can handle this for 2 innings
He’s been ahead in the count almost every time. Come on Sidney, put guys away!!!
OMG STEVE PHILIPS SHUT UPPPP…. that was a great turn by Cano, the ball was just wasn’t hit hard
omg, phillips is criticizing jeter… do any of you freaks needs me to dial 911 for you?
Manny runs through the STOP LOLOL
3-0 already wow ponson getting killed pls
I think Giese needs to get up.
Taking my shots right now
I’m satisfied with winning the series. I hope we sweep, but with Ponson on the mound … *shrug*
Okay, I get Giese up now.
“Rebecca, your friend really needs to watch ESPN more often. Alot of Red Sox fans know ESPN is incredibly Red Sux biased.”
Far less than it seems to us. Some of them are Red Sox fans; they are based in CT, after all. But people on this board really exaggerate it.
Miller doesn’t like the Yankees, and does seem to favor the Red Sox. Morgan’s just an idiot.
Egads, that was a lousy throw.
…
Wow, guess it’s a good thing we won yesterday, isn’t it?
Not a surprising turn of events.
3 runs is hardly game over, especially with the swings they’ve had off Lester. Ponson made 2 mistakes this inning, the double to Manny and the hit b Lowell. That’s it. Besides that he’s caught a ton of bad luck and should have had a dp if not for Jeter laying back and not charging.
ahhh so who’s pitching next time for ponson
This was just a bad idea, Giese should have started this game, but it’s still not too late, get him in there now.
I’m on Gameday, please tell me there’s someone warming up in the pen.
this is horrible get ponson out.
Steve Phillips and Jon Miller like little boys, period. Listen to these morons wetting themselves in excitement over a few runs off Ponson. I guess it’s been a pretty tough weekend and theyre getting desperate!
Washburn pitches a 4 hit shutout game, ponson getting lit up. I think the asking price for washburn just went up.
Well, this isn’t the best start
This is ground control to Major Ponson
Your luck is running out
And the Red Sox want to know what socks you wear
The Yanks will DFA your butt soon, Cash Man don’t care.
Tell Carl Pavano we don’t love him very very much.
you just know this is coming just hope our offense is here tonight
Well, this thing has 12-0 written all over it.
Good thing they didn’t get Washburn for tonight. Jeez.
PONSON STINKS
“This was just a bad idea, Giese should have started this game, but it’s still not too late, get him in there now.”
Dan Giese has borrowed some of Aaron Small’s pixie dust. There’s no guarantee his mediocre stuff doesn’t get battered too.
It’s not about the first inning, it’s about the whole 9 innings. The Red Sox scored first last night too and lost 10-3. “Impressive†first inning? Wow talk about Bias. The only hard hit ball was Ramirez’s ball and they had Youkilis out at first on the DP too!
The difference is that Pettitte was on the mound yesterday. Sir Sidney is not Andy Pettitte.
He’ll settle down. We will start hitting. I am calling the sweep.
everyone could see this coming from a mile away! why is this guy still playing in the MLB. Washburn pitched 8innings 1 run.
Here’s hoping Ponson settles down after this.
no biggie – Nady and big sexy are going to show the sox why the Yankees got them this inning
OK, it’s fine, he had his inning, he couldn’t get it done, just lift him for Giese now. 3 runs is nothing, but sending Ponson out for a second inning is pretty much conceding the game.
“ahhh so who’s pitching next time for ponson”
I’d say Ponson.
Guys, stop going crazy geez. He’s looked alright besides TWO PITCHES this inning. He’s getting ground balls and caught a bad break on the one to Jeter that should have been a DP and probably gets him out of this unscathed. 3 runs is HARDLY game over and if Ponson settles in, which he very easily could, we could very well end up winning this game still.
Alright offense, if there’s ever a HELP! situation, that would be now.
Now Ponson needs to settle down and hold the sox for 5 more innings otherwise bring the chin music at Youkoulis again
one more rocket and he should be out and gone his whip is 1.7 you cant ave whip of 1.7 against the sox
Oy, guys…
It’s just the first inning, and we’re only down by three. this *is* Fenway Park, and we’ve come back from much worse.
If this game was must-win-or-season-is-done, Ponson would not be on the mound today.
Ponson can’t Houdini himself out of everything. Another inning like the first and you’ll probably see Giese.
At least we have that luxury.
Well, just treat this as a give away game.
Washburn isn’t better than Rasner or Ponson. No matter what today shows.
Sidney Ponson = Kevin Brown in ALCS Important game
everyone could see this coming from a mile away! why is this guy still playing in the MLB. Washburn pitched 8innings 1 run.
And the M’s are holding a ransom lets not start this.
“t’s not about the first inning, it’s about the whole 9 innings. The Red Sox scored first last night too and lost 10-3. “Impressive†first inning? Wow talk about Bias. The only hard hit ball was Ramirez’s ball and they had Youkilis out at first on the DP too!
The difference is that Pettitte was on the mound yesterday. Sir Sidney is not Andy Pettitte.”
Meh. The Red Sox hit some hard shots. Andy didn’t get hit that much.
I think Sir Sid is done giving up runs for the forseeable future. Yanks got unlucky with 2 hard hit balls in their half of the inning too. They’ll figure him out, he doesnt look half as good as last time out and I don’t think the Yankees will be fooled this time.
“Four batters, three rockets. Ponson needs to get his act together fast.”
What act? He has always sucked.
Ponson is a piece of garbage as a pitcher and a human being. Why this slug was signed is a mystery.
It’s great we won the first two games, but you’ve basically conceded the game by trotting Ponson out there. DFA this moron immediately.
IDK if anyone else is watching the game and “loving” the Yankee bashing going on by the ESPN announcers. These guys need to quit hatin on the Yankees. They are being brutal. They also need to get the Red Sox bandwagon.
Hopefully Ponson gets DFA’d again after this game.
“everyone could see this coming from a mile away! why is this guy still playing in the MLB. Washburn pitched 8innings 1 run.”
I can’t even believe this is a serious comment. The Angels own the Yankees so does that mean the Yankee pitchers shouldn’t pitch in the MLB? Ponson has pitched very well for the Yankees. He unfortunately doesn’t do well against the Sux. It happens. It doesn’t mean he can’t pitch in the majors.
Jon Lester’s To Do List?
wow ESPN needs to stop sack riding.
and XAVIERRRRRR needs to get bat on the ball
OMG I am nauseous. Enough of the butt kissing.
John Lester become an immortal ESPN God check.
Sure ESPN isn’t biased against the Yanks and for the Sux. That graphic about Lester was just to waste some time.
Pathetic.
Seriously, this game is better with the muted. Jon Miller and Steve Phillips are annoying!!
i think i just heard the stupidest comments by an announcer.
they just said, manny is a little child and you just deal with the way he is. That if he keeps giving you 100 and 30, you just deal with it.
thats just not a disgrace for anybody in baseball to say, especially if your an ex-player. Geez, and these guys give a guy like joba a hard time about being excited.. Wow
Nady — 0 for ?
if ponson gives up 1 more run im booing his name everytime i hear it. i never liked him never will only way he will change my mind if he goes 6-7 good innings 2nite.
Can the lot of you just shut up about the anti-Yankee “bias?” It’s pathetic. Get over it.
…Even Robbie’s foul balls are rockets.
Washburn was pitching against a team that was using David Eckstein as a DH. Enough said.
and what is this lester is god hes not un hittable so can we get sum runs please.
Why does it feel like this game is already over? Just me ?
Are we seriously supposed to listen to this fellating all night?
Ya know..maybe it might be better to just follow this game on gameday. I might be less annoyed.
Doesn’t Gammons live at Fenway?
That to do list was a disgrace. It had to be a joke.
MUte button this old fart
did anyone else see that graphic they threw up about jon lester. ESPN needs to quit the man-loving.
come on Big Sexy
…and this is exactly why you make the Washburn deal. Ponson and Rasner are accidents waiting to happen….have been living on borrowed time, etc….you get it, right ?.. You don’t go the final 60 games of the season with 40% of your games started by those guys. IPK is not the answer. Neither is Hughes. Wang is nowhere near a sure thing to even come back this year at full strength. You get Washburn and you make the slugs I just mentioned compete for the #5 spot OR you give Aceves a shot at it.
lol 1b for sexson
laura he lives behind the monster.
Ok, guys – let’s get these hits when there’s nobody out.
OK, it’s fine, he had his inning, he couldn’t get it done, just lift him for Giese now. 3 runs is nothing, but sending Ponson out for a second inning is pretty much conceding the game.
Aren’t you the guy who was pretty optimistic about Ponson’s start tonight against Lester?
This was so predictable. I told you last night that Ponson was going to get hammered.
Is Richie Sexson getting a hit one of the immortal signs we will win the game?
hahahaha
Well played, Male Pattern Baldness.
“Are we seriously supposed to listen to this fellating all night?”
“And the M’s are holding a ransom lets not start this.”
A ransom? How do you know? You Brian Cashman all the sudden?
How many Jon Lester graphics are we going to see tonight?
Wow, I’ve never seen anything like this. Their promotion of Lester is just pathetic. Give it a rest.
i rather listen to buck…
Dont worry. For the first three games after the all-star break I had a ciggarette in the middle of the 3rd inning. Then I started doing it every game since and look what has been happening.
Its my own little good luck charm.
this game is going to suck unless ponson gets a clue.
Melky looked like a fool up there
Melky playing against a hard throwing lefty is just asking for trouble. I’d rather have Christian in there than Melky tonight.
omg its john lester.. first ballot hall of famer.. he is just the best major league pitcher i have ever seen..
STFU MILLER, PHILLIPS AND ESPECIALLY LOOSER GAMMONS
Melky is so easy to pitch to. All they have to do is throw that elevated fastball and he’s going to hack at it.
Guys, if ESPN bothers you that much, put the game on mute and listen to John Sterling and Suzyn Waldman.
The people who complain about ESPN announcers are really out of their minds.
I was thinking tonight is a good night to drink a bottle and pass out.
These guys are all over the Red Sox especially Lester. Now I know how the Red Sox dominated the All-Star starting line-up.
? WHO IN THERE RIGHT MIND WOULD BE WATCHING BABE RUTH YANKEEOGRAPHY ON YES RIGHT NOW?
I cannot stand Cabrera. Looked completely lost up at the plate, and over matched. At least we know this ones over early, no need to lose sleep tonight.
lester looks unhittable today
I know enough with Lester. We get it, he beat a awful awful disease, we are happy for him. But enough is enough.
“Wow, I’ve never seen anything like this. Their promotion of Lester is just pathetic. Give it a rest.”
He’s only been one of the best pitchers in baseball this year.
I just watch these ESPN games with the mute button on. I’m happy that Lester is cancer free, but please stop with the slosh fest.
The Lester-love is way over the top. I don’t mean to minimize any person dealing with cancer, but to say “his life was in danger” is a gross exaggeration. It was caught early, he was a young, strong man, and it wasn’t a particularly severe form of cancer. Perhaps his career might have been threatened. But Jon Lester was not going to die, not with the advances in medical technology we have.
Hopefully Ponson has settled down..
A 1-2-3 inning? Miracles can happen?
here is the real test: can ponson get out veritek, if no, he has some real problems. lol
cmon yanks
Ponson needs a quick inning here. Bottom of the order.
Wow, that was pathetic. Even by Varitek’s standards.
Ponson sucks and Jon Lester is what IPK needs to model himself on — not a 95+ fastball (that espn gun is on steroids), good control, good secondary pitches. The Yanks seem to need that trade for Keifer Sutherland’s lookalike because Wang’s recovery is on the distant horizon and it sounds like Hughes is looking like an ’09 return.
But the Yanks won the first two in Bahstin, and that’s all to the good.
Ponson better get going – or this is going to suck.
even cora….FFS
I think it’s hilarious how excited they are about the Sux hitting Ponson. You know if the situation were reversed and we were the ones trying to avoid a sweep & scoring against a retread pitcher, those morons would be making a million and one excuses, oh it was inevitable, the matchup, but under any other circumstances….
“lester looks unhittable today”
Abreu and Sexson disagree.
nice eye melky
I’m certainly not ready to give up on this game. Ponson isn’t the first Yankee pitcher to give up three runs in the first inning. Lester isn’t a bad pitcher but he isn’t God, despite what ESPN might think!
“The people who complain about ESPN announcers are really out of their minds.”
And why is that?
Might as well put the bench players in and rest some for tomorrow.
Well, there goes my hope for a 1-2-3 inning
When Varitek gets a hit, you know its bad.
**groan**
the funny thing is if you talk to red sox fans they will say that ESPN is biased towards the Yankees
BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE!
What is surprising is that Lester’s minor league command problems have pretty much disappeared.
What does Ellsbury need to get out of a slump? Sidney Ponson.
someone start throwing please, dan giese maybe?
Get Ponson out of there ASAP.
…and Gameday was probably confused there for a second
Terrible play by Nady. He should have caught it, and then after he missed it, should have held Ellsbury at first. Ponson has not been terrible. His defense, however, has cost him tremendously.
Giese in pls?
Varitek struck out
I know these announcers are hard to stomach, but Lester didn’t just beat cancer, he beat cancer (regardless of the severity, the treatment is no walk in the park) AND came back to pitch, and not just pitch, but develop into a top flight pitcher. It’s really not anti-Yankee to laud his accomplishments. HOWEVER, the last graphic (shutting the Yankees out at the Stadium) was sooooo not necessary.
“When Varitek gets a hit, you know its bad.”
Varitek struck out.
BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE! BRING IN GEISE!
hey what time does the game start?
they keep showing the Red sox taking batting practice.
This is just stupid. If the Red Sox are going to beat us, at least make them face a pitcher they aren’t running to the plate so excited to face. At least give Giese a CHANCE to keep them in the game. Why bring him in when we’re down by 6? Do it now.
Gonna be hard to win this game
Game over. Yankees can’t hit, every Red Sox grounder finds a gap.
when the hell are they gonna take him out
this is KILLING our team ERA lol
Right.
Tell that to my friend that had a relapse of Leukemia at 19 and nearly died from a kidney infection while getting chemo.
I’m sorry if I’m sensitive about this, but I am.
Meanwhile, I expect to see Giese up soon.
get fat boy out of there
well duh Steve how many games has Manny played in Fenway?
Of course he should know how to play the wall.
And shouldn’t the soxs be hitting this bum. he sucks!
how does pedroia grow facial hair?
this game is going to suck
Get him out of the game
Sir Sidney is coming back to earth.
4-0 now
they arnt missing anything. Ponson needs to get outa town asap
Miller why don’t you hate on the yankees and su(k every sox players private part while you are calling this one. crist
Eh… I’m done with this game. Hopefully the Yankees rebound tomorrow.
ok I take it back, SJ44 was right, this is a house money game, so the Yankees didn’t really need to win this one. We won the series, so we’ve had a good weekend. Plus by losing tonight we are more likely to win the series in Baltimore, if I read his argument right.
Not an easy play, especially for a guy new to the Monsta…. bioggest issue defensively was Jeter sitting back on that grounder giving up an easy DP
at least youkilis is 0-2, that lightens up my night
Yep who needs Washburn.Every fifth game we will just get hammered.
Oy, guys…
“It’s just the first inning, and we’re only down by three. this *is* Fenway Park, and we’ve come back from much worse.
If this game was must-win-or-season-is-done, Ponson would not be on the mound today.
Ponson can’t Houdini himself out of everything. Another inning like the first and you’ll probably see Giese.
At least we have that luxury.”
totally agree with u rebecca…. ponson is not an ace… im happy, we still manage to win the series
rasner>ponson
I knew it. Ponson’s “get out of trouble” card is set to expire.
“lester looks unhittable todayâ€
unhittable? lol lol. A hit per inning? Keep drinking that Kool Aid bro.
arod shoulda thown tt at pukalis …
Obviously, Cashman didn’t know this was going to happen. He could have thought there was a good chance that Ponson’s luck would run out though. He’s not really much of a pitcher major league pitcher, nor is Rasner, and waiting on this Washburn deal or another deal is driving the price up. The Mariners and other teams definitely know after tonight that the Yankees need another starter
I would like people to tell me that the Yankees don’t need Washburn and that he is not better than Ponson. Go ahead. I’ll wait.
Jeter not turning the DP probably cost Ponson 2 runs.
Nady not making the play well in left cost Ponson another run.
Regardless of whether they’re hitting him hard or not, 3 of the 4 runs would not have scored with better defensive plays behind him. This team needs to play a solid game of baseball to beat a team like Boston at their ballpark, and so far, they haven’t.
ponson is throwing crap or meatballs. Get him the heck out of there before this becomes a joke.
I hope the Yanks get to Lester so I don’t have to listen to the same babble over and over.
that guy in the budwieser ad looks like moose
OK guys I’ll be back later I’m seriously going to drink this bottle. CHEERS !
get to work bats and make Lester sweat
“Sir Sidney is coming back to earth.”
he was lucky, the team gave him alot of offense he put 1.7 men a inning thats is not going to get it done
I am still holding out for the sweep…
I seriously think that they come into these games with three or four talking points and then they continuously beat them mercifully into the ground. I give Jon Miller a semi-pass because listening to him is like watching a game with a 96 year old man with Alzheimer’s, he means well, but in the end your left scratching your head and wondering if someone drugged your drink. Joe Morgan on the other side is just awful. The day he says something positive about the Red Sox without it being dragged out of him will be the same day that Alex Rodriguez doesn’t have purple lips. If I had to see him talk about and diagram one more time how shallow Manny Ramirez was playing last night I think I would have burst into an epileptic fit.
This is just stupid. If the Red Sox are going to beat us, at least make them face a pitcher they aren’t running to the plate so excited to face. At least give Giese a CHANCE to keep them in the game. Why bring him in when we’re down by 6? Do it now.
Um, didn’t I tell you last night that he was going to get hammered?
“It’s really not anti-Yankee to laud his accomplishments.”
I agree. I don’t think the ESPN guys are being anti-Yankee by praising Lester. I just think they are anti-Yankee period. The Lester praising has nothing to do with it.
“Right.
Tell that to my friend that had a relapse of Leukemia at 19 and nearly died from a kidney infection while getting chemo.
I’m sorry if I’m sensitive about this, but I am.
Meanwhile, I expect to see Giese up soon.”
I’m sorry about your friend. And perhaps I shouldn’t have made such a pronouncement. I think I’m just fed up with the Lester-lovefest.
so molina with the hit.
Molina just doing a great job. Thanks for getting this guy Cash
ponson pitching bp + jon miller and the Red Sox Nation fan club crew on espn = showtime on demand episodes of weeds. peace out
if sidney allows the lead off man on they should get geise up now
Molina got a hit? But Lester looked UNHITTABLE!!111!
i notice how Steve phillups jumped to say that the Yankees are almost last in double plays while announcing their defensive positioning. how about mentioning that they are second in fielding in the league… please
i take it back. Ponson isn’t throwing meatballs, he is a meatball.
here we go… gotta get at least these two runs in here…. Lets chip away
We get it. The announcers love Lester. Geez.
Wow…they’re letting their LH starter pitch at Fenway…amazing.
THIS IS WHERE WE CAPITALIZE. if we come out of this inning empty, throw the towel in
who did we trade for molina again? a minor league pitcher?
Phillips why does bringing up Jeter there make any sense… omg kill him
Ron: Don’t worry about it–I’m just really, realy sensitive about it and thus prone to overreacting.
I hate the Red Sox as a team, but I have nothing against Lester.
It’s true, Morgan does seem to like the Yankees. Or at least some Yankees. Like Jeter. And Sheffield…oh, does he have a man crush on Sheffield.
He’s still a blathering idiot.
Phillips really loves to bring up that jeter play. somehow he relates a slow dribbler that the fielder had to run in for to that…hmmm
We are only in the third inning and we are already at 775 comments. That is cool. May be we can hit 1500 comments by the time the game is over.
This could be the game right here. We could get right back in it with a few big hits, or if we don’t score, might get runs tacked on against us and it could be over. This is a statement inning.
Knock on wood, but Angel Hernandez seems to have realized that people aren’t there to see him.
So… on a similar play that Jeter made earlier, Cora gets praised for eating that grounder??? I don’t get it.
I can’t think of anything less pleasurable than watching a Yankees game on ESPN with the sound turned on. Steve Phillips is THE biggest windbag on all of sports-related television.
Jeff Kennard who is nothing special for Jose.
LOL, the ESPN tele cast is slower than real life, at least in my TV, LOL hahaha I muted the announcer and Im listening to John Sterling and Suzyn Waldman
this is what the redsox team want a guy like ponson pitching Yikes!
ponson is so much better than washburn lol!!!!1!!1 washburn only throws 86 and his breaking ball doesn’t move that much. ponson throws 92, doesn’t matter that he averages a runner in scoring position per inning as a yankee (2 whip), he knows how to get the key double play and finds a way to win lol !!!!1!!!1
in all seriousness, great series already, still have a chance to win tonight, but come on now guys. we need to upgrade (even if it is only a small one) over one of ponson or rasner. washburn would be one. he’s been great for nearly 2 months, is left handed, and might be slightly re-energized in new york. nothing against sidney ponson, but this is what’s expected against a quality team, he gets knocked all over. that’s going to matter in a tight playoff race.
If DJ grounds into a DP, im breaking my remote
this looks good…. hope the yankees can score 1 or 2 runs in this inning… maybe ponson gets the next one… then u bring giese for the 4th, 5th, 6th… and finally, marte, farnsworth and rivera
ok I take it back, SJ44 was right, this is a house money game, so the Yankees didn’t really need to win this one. by losing tonight we are more likely to win the series in Baltimore, if I read his argument right”
it is beyond tired. Shut up.
We have to slowly chip away at their lead of 4 runs.
We need to score two runs this inning with little ball rather than swinging to the fence.
yeah um it’s called a delay, every live broadcast uses it. “lol” ?
meat of our lineup..must get it done
It’s amazing how quickly some of you Yankee “fans” are willing to turn on a Yankee player when the chips are down. You make me sicker than ESPN does!
Here’s a clue for those of you who are crying about “every 5th game”. Ponson has pitched 4 games for the Yanks and the Yankees won all of them.
The Yankees are not out of this game. But it seems like some of you are!
I think at least 20 posters have predicted a Ponson drubbing before every one of his starts…. keep predicting something and eventually you’ll be right
CAptain DP strikes again
and jeter GIDP.
=/
oh my god….
Knew that was coming.
oh Jetes.
ok i called that one. king DP does it again
hit a freaking homer jeter
Start breaking josh
The DP-master is at it again.. can’t stop him
Ugh how many DP’s is that now? 14???
jeter needs to retire
Come on here Bobby! We need a hit.
Jeter does it again, killing our HUGE chance to get back in the game. Hey Derek, WAKE UP. 2-0 count, down 4, 3 and 4 up in the inning. TAKE A PITCH MAYBE INSTEAD OF HACKING AWAY?
Captain GIDP just shouldn’t take his bat off his shoulders there. Or, at least, you know, start the runners?
so comparing this play to the cano-jeter play.
oh please
are you guys really throwing the towel in in the 3rd inning? geez you’re ridiculous
Jeter no! Where’s the DP tally? This is definitely a shot for the drinking game.
I cannot take another reference to the 1st inning missed double play…
phillips is like that annoying kid who pisses everyone off but he just won’t go away
Dammit Jetes
Josh, how much for a new remote?
Josh-Your remote still ok?
Oh my god. Bite me Steve Phillips, you unapologetic polesmoker.
Anybody notice the two Jeter graphics tonight? The first one said he had a lifetime .254 average at Fenway, and they went on to talk about how not good that was. The graphic they just showed had him with 108 his at Fenway, the most of any visiting player. Or did I miss something or read something wrong?
come on bobby bring him in chipping away battle this game we have 2.
“Alex Cora makes plays to help you win games.”
Yes and the rest of the baseball players in the world do not. Got it.
Jeter should’ve bunted.
too bad wang isn’t in there
or pull your usuall GIDP capt GIDP
by my count that was the 3rd lester graphic.
Bad inning.. Geese we needed a run there…
KLUTCH
I don’t understand why they make the most mediocre pitchers look so darn good
and we go down empty handed.
Lets hope ponson seriously pulls off a 1-2-3
Ok, so that sucked.
1-2-3 Ponson. Nice and quick
Maybe Sir Sidney will pitch us out of this inning without giving up a run…
OH MY GODDDD THE RED SOX ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD WOOOOO!!
I guess NESPN didn’t see the first two games of this series… this game isn’t over, Philips and Miller you FRANKLIN idiots!
L- Jeter, D.
Good job “captain clutch” again in the biggest spot in the game. Until he learns to take pitches, he should be dropped in the lineup. And his missed DP chance costs us 2 huge runs tonight as well. Single handedly lost us this game most likely in the field and at the plate.
im going to take a risk and say ponson shuts down the sox this inning.
damn we should have score at least one run in this inning
Jeter just killed a rally with his cluchosity.
That was really ugly.
Ponson will hang tough. He has heart.
nice job abreu. next time try opening your eyes.
here comes 5-0 or 6-0 lead
hey matt take it easy dont complain about dj
can gammons just shut the hell up. cashman chose a good game not to attend
And Peter Gammons can bite me too, talking about Wang like he’s a rookie rather than the winningest pitcher of baseball within the last 2 years.
Craig Hansen is the best setup guy in the AL!
come on Sidney! You can do this.
I hope
well said, Peter Gammons.
biggest game of the year and jeter kills a rally! great 25 million dollar player we got here!
while we’re talking about jeter’s consistency in GIDP, lets talk about how many times melky cabrera can swing and miss at a high fastball for strike 3.
people are overly sensitive about these ESPN broadcasters, you all sound like a bunch of whiney little girls. Red Sox fans complained about the same thing when the Yankees were dominating. Complaining about partinship by the broadcasters is a loser’s mentality. Get over it people.
I have no idea where you came from, tim boat, but thank you.
did steve phillips just say it was molina’s fault that ortiz hit him with his bat?
In all seriousness, why is Peter Gammons so revered?
If you’re complaining now just remember where you stood now when the Yankees take the lead and sweep this series
i still think ponson gonna shut the boston bats down but even if we loose..we took this series. its only july not like september not a big deal if we loose theres still alot of baseball left tamba will not last and we will win if we sweep it is only a bonus
peace out tim boat, youre not wanted here
ponson sux: 25 million? since when?
Oh no he’s the captain, I can’t possibly criticize him!
Give me a break! If Jeter were the player we’re expecting him to be, we’d already BE in first place.
Single handedly he has killed rally after rally by grounding into CRIPPLING, CRUSHING DP’s in huge scoring situations, sometimes even in 3-1 counts and the like. His defense on routine plays has been questionable at times. He’s being paid $19 million and is the captain.
He’s had an average to slightly above average year at best, which for him, is NOT enough. We need him to play like a franchise type player, and if he isn’t that, it’s a HUGE blow to this team.
Manny being Manny on flat sinkers from Ponson.
timmy,
talking in bold to make a point is a no-no on here, Pete’s addressed that before, youll get a pass here, just know its not kosher, k?
thanks tim…i still think steve phillips sucks
Yeah, BOS is going to trade this guy. Yep. Any day now.
this is just rediculous. Ponson is just getting hammered.
so no 1-2-3..
Not over by any means. And damn the NESPN guys are so far the Sox rear. Remember getting 2 of 3 is huge here. We still have 6 more innings.
Hang in there.
I hate ESPN.
Always fun punting games.
these last few years i remember jeter killing more rallies than contributing to them.
ponson sux: you’re post just reeks of bs
totally agree with u jon about cabrera
Manny couldn’t have played his “silent protest” for one more night?
Peter Gammons was absolutely correct in what he said about Girardi. Believe it or not, Phillips was right too
“”ponson sux
July 27th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
biggest game of the year and jeter kills a rally! great 25 million dollar player we got here!”"
what we would have been without him all these years?! who do u want playing alberto gonzalez wut would he have done? struck out? dont talk about jeter.
Does it look like Ponson is getting squeezed or is it just me?
I fell asleep for a minute and woke up to a 4-0 score. Not a fun thing to wake up to
everyball is a rocket
1 more out Sidney!
Oh okay. With Manny and Ortiz the Red Sox can win EVERY game. LOL Phillips is SUCH A MORON. No one on the ESPN staff cannot possibly like him.
That gray hair makes Lowell look like an old man. The Big G should hook him up with some of that stuff he uses to color his ‘stache.
“Does it look like Ponson is getting squeezed or is it just me?”
What on earth has he done to earn pitches off the corner?
jeter is a future hall of famer and period
From a friend at ESPN. Steve Phillips tries to sleep with every 18 and 19 year old intern at ESPN. Sick bastard.
trisa- yes. they are giving lester the outside corner, but they arnt giving it to ponson
Dr. Cox,
Perhaps make it two cigarettes? haha
Unfortunately this is not going to be Ponson’s last act with the Yankees. I’m sure he’ll get his chance to suck at least for 2 more starts.
John Sterling and Suzyn Waldman have been talking about Manny the entire game, although Sterling just claimed, “There’s much more we could go into, but we can’t talk about Manny the whole time.” Yet, he’s still talking about Manny even now.
that was just gay tim boat
” Red Sox fans complained about the same thing when the Yankees were dominating.”
Then they’re morons (capt. obvious alert) because the Boston ballwashing on this network is blatant. It’s more annoying than usual tonight because it’s 2 days of pent up aggression from having to watch the Yankees dominate their boys.
Jeter should tell Manny he was traded and see if he just walks back to the dugout.
Is Varitek still thinking he’s getting the same contract Posada got?
Oh wow, Captain K gets a double. PLEASE
please release him
have we seen enough yet?
If you give up a hit to Varitek you need to come out of the game.
We’re still winning tonight
Well, that didn’t work.
Time to lift Sir Sidney. And if Washburn’s on the way, show him the door.
Phillips is a dirt bag. I’de kill myself if i made victor zambrano for kazmir as.
wow even varitek is hitting him, thats not good
Okay, NOW Varitek gets a hit, now it’s time to get Ponson out of there.
Thanks for coming, Sidney….here’s a lovely parting gift. A pink slip.
Get Geise up right now. 80 year old varitek is lighting up ponson. Get the man a glass of JD or something.
OKk new pitcher
jason varitek? come on girardi get giese in there. cash, send ponson packing
Did Girardi make a deal with Francona that he would throw this game? Ponson blows tonight and he’s got no one warming up/
Even Varitek gets a hit. Screw Ponson and whoever thought it was a good idea to let him pitch at Fenway.
“Phillips is a dirt bag. I’de kill myself if i made victor zambrano for kazmir as.
wow even varitek is hitting him, thats not good”
Steve Phillips signed Robby Alomar, Roger Cedeno, and Mo Vaughn to terrible contracts. Jim Duquette was the man that made the Kazmir trade, however.
X-man did not point his front foot towards second on that throw.
Steve Phillips tries to sleep with every 18 and 19 year old intern at ESPN.
males and females?
wait..it’s now 5-0? Um..yeah. Paging Giese.
Ian Kennedy..please get your crap together. There might be a spot for you again..
Wow. Vagitek gets a bloop and Miller needs to go change his drawers he’s so excited. These people are human waste.
finally its over…this it it… if the yankees dont come back in this inning with 1 or 2 runs i think this game is pretty much over
Sure would have been nice to have Washburn start this game.
Oh well. If you told me on Friday we could have 2 of 3 I would have signed up for it and been plenty happy.
GET HID LARD ARSE OUT OF THERE GIRARDI YOU NUMBSKULL
ponson’s got great stuff. throws 94 with movement. who cares if he can’t get outs. guys a gamer knows how to win games we’re seeing it tonight. washburn only throws 86 who wants someone with a sub 3 era for 2 months.
I don’t understand it… If Giese isn’t going to pitch in a game like this, send him down. What’s the use of having him in the bullpen? He can keep them in this game…
i think i just saw ponson on camera taking shots in the visitors clubhouse. in about 2 hours he can take shots wherever he wants because he won’t be on this team anymore
Finally Ponson is showing his true colors. He is a crappy pitcher who has gotten by on luck. Hopefully this is the start that convinces Cashman to get rid of him once and for all.
Where is Giese? He should have been in there starting the 2nd. Please let me wake up tomorrow to see Ponson has been released.
“X-man did not point his front foot towards second on that throw.”
that is definitely the least of our worries lol
come on bats get us back in this
GET HIS LARD ARSE OUT OF THERE GIRARDI YOU NUMBSKULL!!!!!!
Jeter is killing us a lot more than you realize. The 5th run I’d definitely attribute to the GIDP. When you let the other team get off the hook EASILY and let them tack on more runs, you lose, simple as that.
The double play in that spot is the most demoralizing play in baseball for the offensive team. Hitting into a DP not only costs you runs at the plate, but gives the other team momentum to score more. Jeter’s GIDP is responsible for a 2 or 3 run swing already, plus his defense resulting in 2 more for Boston.
Jeter’s poor play tonight has cost his team nearly a 4 or 5 run swing!
Please score a run or 2
games not over…its not impossible to score 5 runs..just get good at bats get to the now weak sox bullpen get lester out of there
“Steve Phillips tries to sleep with every 18 and 19 year old intern at ESPN.
males and females?”
He only digs the little boys.
Sidney Ponson is channeling his inner Engelbert Humperdink.
Justin- while I agree with your sentiment, i hate to break it to you, he didn’t make that deal.
A-Rod double
lead off double now the new guy nady is gonna come threw!
That’s a nice start to the 4th
just in breaking news joe morgan is in the hall of fame
Again, leadoff double, we BETTER score this. Scoring this kind of run and breaking Boston’s streak of unanswered runs before it gets out of hand is our only chance to win. If we don’t score A-Rod, the game is probably over because Ponson will give up another run or two if Boston maintains their momentum.
there goes our team era
manny knows that wall so well. best defensive left fielder ever. hey phillips go watch the replay of mannys defense in los angeles where he rolled over the ball and lied on top of it
Please down ponson right now, if yankee don’t give up the game.
How does the guy do that? In any other park that’s a home run, but he practically hit it from his knees.
Jeezus lord, where can I donate a dollar to the Girardi fund so he can buy himself a Freakin CLUE!
lol good one cwebzz
here comes X to choke just like the other guys tonight
cwebzzz
Are you sure about that, I don’t think I heard that he was there.
This Nady guy, not a very good hitter/fielder.
nady looks confused
guess i thought way 2 highly
So far, this Nady guy has impressed me with his cute face. His hitting, not so much!
Jon Miller is a walking lobotomy
I swear, you ‘Yankees fans’ have been wishing and hoping for a bad Ponson start so you could whine about him.
He’s been well worth his pay so far. This disastrous outing notwithstanding.
If they don’t DFA Sir Sid if & when another pitcher is added…. etc., etc.
Can’t move him to 3rd with no outs. Another horrible at bat by the offense. You have to at least put the ball in play there. The situational hitting has killed us all season.
called that one
hey so lets go 0-6 misp after this inning…plllleeeeaassssseee
Please just get Alex home
Meh. Not a good start to Nady’s career.
Can we actually get a hitter at the deadline that doesn’t immediately forget how to hit? Remember Craig Wilson?
If there was actually a decent pitcher on the mound – we’d actually have a shot at winning this game – this is the most frustrating thing of all.
If this team doesn’t stop swinging at balls, they will get shutout again, and Lester is pitching like crap tonight and getting bailed out by horrible Yankees AB’s.
“Can’t move him to 3rd with no outs. Another horrible at bat by the offense. You have to at least put the ball in play there. The situational hitting has killed us all season.”
Except, you know, the last 8 games.
Cano is going deep.
night all reading comments like tonight just not worth it. You would think that we lost the first two games and are in danger of being swept. Anyone who thought that Ponson was going to get through easy on this game just didnt look at his stats against Boston. This is a game in July not the last game of the season when we are down and this is a must game. This is not the Detroit Tigers who lost the first 2 games of the series against the White Sox and would have dropped SEVEN games behind them if they lost today. We just won the series have managed to pick up 3 games in a week. I will go to bed happy no matter what the outcome. If this happaned a week ago most of you would have been thrilled wih winning 2 of 3 from the Red Sox.
Talk tomorrow.
Cano is back to swinging at balls he shouldn’t be.
“Can we actually get a hitter at the deadline that doesn’t immediately forget how to hit”
That’s what happens when you add utility players to your team. When they got Abreu, he hit like crazy, because he was a good hitter.
If the Yankees can get 2 runs this inning, they will come back and win the game 8-6.
If not, they will leave Boston winning 2 or 3, not bad.
Can we actually get a hitter at the deadline that doesn’t immediately forget how to hit?
How many at bats has he had with the Yanks?
And newsflash, Lester is pretty good.
0-5 now with men in scoring pos.
They’ve had their chances, and have failed to capitalize. 5 AB’s with RISP and 0 hits so far. Lester has not been great, we’ve been terrible though.
c’mon cano – time for some of that situational hitting that you were practicing
Laugh of the night. Girardi needs a clue. I guess whoever said that managed all of the games since the All Star Game!
Here’s a clue. Yankees won’t win every game. It doesn’t mean they are not an excellent team or that Girardi doesn’t know how to manage. It just means that sometimes other teams win games too!
Good luck to you stalwart posters who have to listen to this whining for the whole game! The tandem of ESPN and some of the complainers here is really a little too much to take.
“Cano is back to swinging at balls he shouldn’t be.”
That’s what happens to a LHB facing a LHP who’s very good vs. LHB’s.
“The power has just disappeared the last couple years” Yea, its called steroids and HGH. It can do magical things.
“How many at bats has he had with the Yanks?
And newsflash, Lester is pretty good.”
I’m not saying he’ll make like his ex-teammate. I’m more hoping for the future.
“UPDATE, 9:54 p.m.: Manny is flat-crazy”
Reading that made me embarrassed to be white.
c’mon Big Sexy
Ah, beautiful. Lester gets balls called strikes, even better.
0-6 misp
What the Yankees stop hitting when they don’t have the lead.Lester is good but not that good.
This is still ugly.
or not
Just one of those games..
Terrible call
Whoa, wide strikes.
Much rather have Giambi hitting there. Sexson is pathetic.
Wow what a joke. The pitch they called Sexson out on has not been close to a strike for Ponson all night. The Red Sox strike zone continues again. It was going to be hard enough to win as it was, but when you have to beat the team AND the umpires, they might as well give you 2 wins because that’s how much more it takes.
Hm, I hope Moose is back in NY getting a good night’s sleep. Nothing worth seeing here.
i think its over.. lester looks amazing… maybe their bullpen falls down… thats our only chance
anyone see washburns start tonight? 8 innings 4 hits 3 walks, 1 earned run
in the past month he’s 2-2 with a 2.97 era and a 1.23 whip
We were playing so well.. Why oh Why, Anyone who did not see this coming tonight isn’t a real baseball fan. Boston has owned Ponson his whole career.
pathetic
“0-6 misp”
DIAF, you miserable troll.
No fight at all, they fall behind early, they start swinging at crap. Pathetic.
winning 2 out of 3 is not bad at all. Seriously with ponson pitching how many of us expected us to win? he can do us a big favour and hit youk with a pitch and get dfa after tht. No harm done
Angel Hernandez behind the plate. What a shocker that the game has been horribly umpired with him behind the plate. He made 2 disgraceful calls at 2nd base Friday and his strike zone tonight is horribly home team biased.
We need a nice 7 run inning…
Please Ponson..1-2-3 inning?
“No fight at all, they fall behind early, they start swinging at crap. Pathetic.”
There are a lot of fairweather fans on the blog. You are one of the most consistent.
Looks like Ponson is going to eat innings tonight…..
angel hernandez has been helping the red sox for awhile now. same one that called pedroia safe when jeter tagged him out on friday stealing second
That 1-2 pitch to Ellsbury was a strike, and would have been called one if Lester were on the mound.
“I swear, you ‘Yankees fans’ have been wishing and hoping for a bad Ponson start so you could whine about him.
He’s been well worth his pay so far. This disastrous outing notwithstanding.”
Thanks for that post Someone Else. I couldn’t agree with you more on all fronts.
ohh oo… Gammons prodigy is struggling lets hear your bs excuse
Pedro, maybe you forgot yesterday’s game, when they scored 10 runs down 2-0. Stop being such a fair-weathered fan.
My God, the whining here is more unbearable than the announcing. Just shut up and watch the damn game.
i knew it was time to stop watching when Varitek got an RBI….i mean if thats not a sign of the Apocolypse, I don’t know what is. The “all-star” with the .215 batting average and the 14% throwing runners out…LOL….just one of those games I guess!
I give up..do whatever Sidney
Nice to see some talk about Elliott Maddox tonite! One of the best defensive center fielders ever, if not the best! (until his unfortunate Friday the 13th, June 1975 knee injury). I was wondering if anyone knows why he has not been at Old Timer’s day for the last few years???
I’m happy even if we lose tonight. 2 of 3 in boston, and only 2 games behind the hated sox.
I’m nervous about 10 more games against the angels. And a move for a starter has to be made. Can’t keep relying on rasner and ponson.
I think the Mariners will fold and send us washburn for a low level prospect. Unless another team gets into the mix.
Nady seems like a lackadaisical fielder and a hitter who doesn’t mind K-ing a lot. Not sure I love this acquisition so far.
OK… so every righty hitter is RIPPING the ball down the 3rd base line, and we have A-Rod play like a lefty pull hitter is up? Why not play him in no doubles kind of defense if they’re all hitting it there?
does that count the game where the yanks put up a 10 spot to cover Ponson’s 8 runs given up?
wow Ponson, you really suck. Washburn (as long as we don’t give up ANYONE with value) would certainly be an upgrade over this clown. How can you be a MLB pitcher and consistently miss your spot by a foot? 2 out of 3 ain’t bad, but it sucks this POS didn’t at least give us a chance in this one.
The good news is that the Yankees are putting guys on base. Who knows what’ll happen if they string some hits together.
Why is he still in?
This failure with RISP is really frustrating. Lester looks like his true slightly above averafe self tonight and we’re not capitalizing. It’s hard to put this one on the offense that much though, bad ABs tend to happen when your starting pitcher doesn’t give you much of a chance to win. I really think we could only reasonably expect so much from Sir Sid tonight though.
Just hope the offense can get us back in it. If not, it’s not our game, but I’d still feel very satisfied with 2 of 3. We won this battle no matter tonight’s outcome. For a team that sucks as bad as Boston does on the road to get outplayed this badly by a rival at home, I’d imagine snatching one against Sidney Ponson can’t be too much of a consolation.
Just a bad start from Ponson. He will be fine next time.
“July 27th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
OK… so every righty hitter is RIPPING the ball down the 3rd base line, and we have A-Rod play like a lefty pull hitter is up? Why not play him in no doubles kind of defense if they’re all hitting it there?”
Honestly, he might as well play right on the line. Isn’t it better to concede singles instead of doubles.
Whine all you want tonight.
When you wake up tomorrow, it’s just one game in the papers.
Matt, you can’t play down the line when the bags are empty. He has to just hold his normal ground and hopes that Ponson can locate.
“Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club)
July 27th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
My God, the whining here is more unbearable than the announcing. Just shut up and watch the damn game.”
i agree 100%
I’m not saying Sir Sidney’s carriage is turning into a pumpkin just yet, as this is just one frickin’ start, but I’m slightly concerned right now.
I’m willing to lend Wang a foot for September and October.
Jesus Christ!
at least we won the series… i think the yankees are going to make the playoffs…im not sure if we r gonna win the division… but tampa bay is falling down, it just a matter of weeks til they drop to the third place of the division
The good news is that Tampa lost to KC already, so the Yanks won’t lose any ground if they do lose. But with that said, I’m hoping the Yankees come through at the plate.
Youkilis with the potty mouth.
The problem is if we got some hits it could be 5-2 or 5-3 right now. I mean 1st and 2nd 0 out they get nothing, and a lead off double again nothing.
wow…2 days ago everybody was happy to have nady…now people arent happy with the move?…the guy has never played inthe AL…let him get used to some pitchers yet alone his new team…gosh
I think at this point, if it looks like the Yankees will not comeback, Ponson should drill either Youklis, Varitek, Ortiz.
Preferably Youklis since he is such a whiney baby.
In fact, he whines so much when he does get a hit, he could post on this site and fit in perfectly.
“Nady seems like a lackadaisical fielder and a hitter who doesn’t mind K-ing a lot. Not sure I love this acquisition so far.”
He does seem to be jogging after the ball. It’s like he’s conceding a double.
sir sidney shut down youkills 0-3 lol
Twenty minutes after saying they can’t talk about Manny Ramirez for the entire game, John Sterling and Suzyn Waldman are still discussing him.
Give Nady a break. Left field in Fenway is one of the hardest positions to play in baseball. He didn’t want to make a mistake in the corner.
“Lester looks like his true slightly above averafe self tonight and we’re not capitalizing”
Actually looks like Pettitte. Puts a lot of guys on base, but makes the tough pitches when he has to.
Jets Daily,
He’s still in because Girardi is not going to KILL his pen for 1 game. I think Giese should be pitching, but if he gets hit around, we don’t want to run Robertson, Kyle, Veras, Marte out there when we are already down 5-0. I for one will take a loss here versus costing us more losses down the road by killing the pen.
“Nady seems like a lackadaisical fielder and a hitter who doesn’t mind K-ing a lot. Not sure I love this acquisition so far.”
Yes, I’m sure Nady doesn’t mind striking out.
:snort:
That said, it’s time to put in Dan Giese.
ok now its over
Now, the game is officially over.
good night everybuddy moooooooooooooose 2mmrow
well. Too late for Giese, now.
Game over.
im sry but girardi screwed this one up.. How do u just concede a game like this.. gamee over very poor job girardi
yikes. That wasn’t good.
We need to start chipping away…like soon
Ponson is such a great pitcher. HOF material for sure.
The Yankees have scored 6.12 runs/game since the all star break.
They scored 10 runs yesterday.
So you’re going to complain because they have one bad night tonight?
Meanwhile, Sidney is just getting plain old burned.
Ponson is not at fault here one bit. The offense has scored him ZERO RUNS in Fenway Park. You will lose every time that way. His defense cost him 4 of the runs, and the fact that they have given him NOTHING to work with his given Boston so much momentum that almost no pitcher would have stopped them tonight.
I can’t comprehend why you would concede this game by not putting Giese in at the start of this inning. It just doesn’t make sense. Is he injured? If he off the roster?
Might as well leave Ponson in there and save the bullpen…
Good time to get Geise up.. not too late or anything
perfect, just what the sox needed. way to go ponson for allowing boston to regain some momentum
girardi wasn’t conceding. He can’t put in Giese and burn the pen for a game. Ponson needed to pitch them at least to the 5th, which he clearly hasn’t been able to do. Every hit and out seems to be an absolute rocket.
goodbye ponson…hello kennedy
Melky should be a wide reciever
sdjohn
July 27th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Jets Daily,
He’s still in because Girardi is not going to KILL his pen for 1 game. I think Giese should be pitching, but if he gets hit around, we don’t want to run Robertson, Kyle, Veras, Marte out there when we are already down 5-0. I for one will take a loss here versus costing us more losses down the road by killing the pen.
totally agree with u
“Ponson is not at fault here one bit. The offense has scored him ZERO RUNS in Fenway Park. You will lose every time that way. His defense cost him 4 of the runs, and the fact that they have given him NOTHING to work with his given Boston so much momentum that almost no pitcher would have stopped them tonight.”
Um, he’s allowed like 10 hits and 7 runs. That’s his fault, regardless of the defense. He’s getting crushed.
Melky loves to rob Manny!
Ponson is not at fault here ONE BIT?
Wow, who didn’t see that one coming from a mile away. Looked like the days before steroid testing was instituted all over again for a second there.
Miller trying to rationalize Melky’s nice catch, lol.
Right – Ponson’s not at fault for giving up 7 runs in 4 innings. Good logic.
But you truly must know you suck when Varitek gets a hit against you. I’d take a Kei Igawa start over watching this clown go out there again.
great outing by sir sidney!!
“Ponson is not at fault here one bit.”
Uh, throwing the ball right over the heart of the plate to an offense like this IS Ponson’s fault.
Psyluk, what? Giese is the long man. He can START games. He should have been in after the 2nd inning. That’s what the long man does, comes in when the starter doesn’t have it, and it was easy to see Ponson didn’t have it after the FIRST inning.
Man, with the whining here, you’d think the Yankees are in the midst of an 8 game losing streak…
Yeah that is a freakin web gem that will never be seen because ESPN won’t use Yankee plays against the Sux as web gems. We saw that the other night.
Just a statement of fact kids.
Good post Matt.
No matter what happens the rest of the game, taking 2 out of 3 at Fenway isn’t chump change.
Onward and upward.
Night all.
The Yanks have won every game that Ponson has pitched for them up until now. THey’ve also won 8 in a row. What more do you want? They can’t win every single game.
Sometimes its easy to understand why other baseball fans hate us so much.
is Giese the long man, or not?
Girardi is the man. However, Giese should’ve already been in the game.
why does joe refuse to take out ponson
“UPDATE, 9:14 p.m.: Sir Sidney got shelled in his start at Fenway for the Yankees, giving up seven runs over three innings on Aug. 18, 2006. He was DFA’d shortly after. The same could happen tonight.”
Hey…he’s improved…it took them 4 innings to get to 7 runs.
Matt- ponson is at fault. he has been a nice stopgap, however a high WHIP and balls that are hit hard are not a recipe for success…when ponson came up none of us thought he would be here this long, yet he has. time to see if the 3rd time is the charm with ian.
We just need to work the count and get Timlin in the game.. then it’s winable
“Actually looks like Pettitte”
LOL. He’s got a lot longer than a half a good season to go before he is so much as qualified to shine Pettitte’s shoes. The Yankees have let him off the hook both times they’ve faced him this year now, although he did look better than this last time. Sooner or later they’ll figure him out, though.
Yea Pete when he held the Rays to 1 run over 6 innings, and shut out the mets over 6 innings that was really deceiving.
by the way, i still do not feel this game is over. just a hunch.
The Yanks next day off is August 14th. That’s a lot of innings to get through.
I think most of us realized Ponson was not gonna throw a no-hitter tonight. I just hoped the offense would have his back. So far no…but this game isn’t over yet…my rally cap is on..
If they can’t battle back-hey they still took 2 out of 3 in Boston. I’ll take it.
Mark- brett is gone now. I still like the kid, but he is 4th OF/pinch hitter at best. not saying melky is the answer…
honestly, if we lost this game 2-1 – I wouldn’t be as upset – why?? because at least they threw someone out there that pitched hard and kept the Yanks in the game. Ponson has thrown meatballs all night. Even his flyball outs are on the warning track most often than not.
They’ll probably lose tonight, but it’s huge for the Yankees to have won this series. This game only underscores the difference a dominant starter like Joba makes. It’s easy to forget that on Friday, the Yankees had little success driving in runs against Beckett despite getting men on base. But with Joba totally shutting down the Red Sox lineup for seven innings and the bullpen finishing the job, all they needed was to push across one run. However, when your starter is Sir Sid, the likelihood of winning against a good pitcher and lineup becomes way smaller. But between taking two from the Sox in Fenway (!) and seeing Joba turn in an ace performance in the process (!!!!), Yankee fans have a lot to be happy about. Here’s hoping they keep up their winning ways this coming week. SJ44: great to have you back on the boards. Let’s go Yanks!!!!
I don’t want to blast Girardi, but he doesn’t seem to care about this game. I mean, the Yankees aren’t playing perfectly, but they are getting plenty of hits. Ponson should have been out in the second or third; he’s getting crushed.
Giese isn’t great, but I remember a few years ago when a couple of our starters pitched poorly and were taken out in the first or second innings and Torre put in Sturtze and the Yanks came back. I don’t think that was out of the question of this game when it was 3-0 or 5-0.
its not about losing that gets us upset, its about getting shelled for no reason, completely giving up on this game by not bringing in a reliever when you know ponson is off, and abandoning a work-the-count pitch strategy to try and play quick catchup. we cant win every game but at least we can try. they just gave this game to the sox and gave them the momentum in this al east race right back
ok sidney i think this is the end of the line.
People — enough with “Ponson has won every game he’s pitched up until now”
He hasn’t pitched GREAT in any start he’s had with us. Our offense actually came alive and gave him over 8 runs of support. If you don’t win games with that type of support, you should not be in the majors.
Would be nice to score at least ONE run here eh?
can we finally score? maybe we would be in this if we could have cashed in earlier. Also gammons just shut up please. Lester is not going to be the best left hander in the majors in 2 years.
Anyway….this is partly why it wouldn’t hurt me so much to throw Seattle a lower level prospect for Washburn. Not necessarily a very good potential prospect, maybe just an interesting one.
Looks like Derek Jeter may get another chance to GIDP!! Just kidding, folks!
maybe ponson was trying to get the cicle 2 runs 1st; 1 run in the 2nd and 3rd; 3 runs in the 4th; i expect 4 runs in the 5th haha
Matt- Sorry about that forgot to update it.
let’s not forget in that performance against the Mets the Houdini acts that Ponson did to get out of some of those innings.
He was lucky, more than good–the Yankees got m ore out of him than they thought they would, and you can’t complain about that.
Triple Play for Jeter here? lol
Here comes the DP. Possibly a triple play.
Dp here for captain
This could be interesting…or disappointing.
Rally caps on people
uh oh Derek DP Jeter!
Bases loaded, no outs, Derek Jeter. You’d hope they score at least 2 or 3 here? This is it. This is our chance to get RIGHT BACK IN THE GAME. Let’s see if he can make up for his last horrible at bat.
Even with the score teh way it is currently, it’s encouraging to see all these hits coming off of Jon Lester. He can’t dance around these situations forever and the Yanks will catch him eventually.
If the Yankees scored 15 runs in this inning, they still wouldn’t be back in the conversation with these announcers.
meh…now look at how big those earlier chokes look. come on jeter bob arod
Anything ANYTHING but a double play. Cmon Cappy.
I’ve got my fingers crossed that Jeter doesn’t do that which cannot be mentioned.
quadruple play?
stay out of the DP… make jeter SF bunt or tell him to strike out..
cannot have a DP here… they are starting to get to Lester.
3 good hits in a row.
actually is 3 runs in the 1st and 2 runs in the 4th
he swings at the first pitch every single damn time!
Wait wait wait…You DFA Rasner, not Ponson. I take Ponson over Rasner any day of the year. It’s not even close. I understand Ponson’s been completely lucky with how high his ERA is, but he’s no worse than Rasner.
“Lester is not going to be the best left hander in the majors in 2 years.”
Somewhere, David Price, Francisco Liriano, Cliff Lee, Johan Santana and Clayton Kershaw are watching this telecast and laughing uproariously.
And I laughed uproariously when they announced Damon’s base hit like it was a funeral procession. No you know what here Jeter!
Catch some runs now and get back into the game….3 runs this inning at least
The Ponson has won games for us logic is the same logic that says Randy Johnson is a great pitcher for us because he won 17 games three seasons in a row. Sure with a run support average of over 5 per game.
This is the first Ponson start we’ve seen where every ball has been hit HARD.
He really isn’t locating tonight at -all-.
This is why Seattle did not cave into the Yankees demands- they wanted Washburn and Ponson to get another turn before the trade, hoping that Ponson would be hit and Washburn would dominate- and it happened. Now they have some more leverage.
derek needs to strike out here
haha ill take that!!
NICE!
lol i’ll take it
They have been hitting Lester the entire game. It’s just that Lester’s been able to make the pitches to get out of it.
Haha, that’s right up there with Giambi’s hit.
Gammon’s Seal Of Approval for Hansen worked wonders. Maybe it will do the same for Lester.
Ha! It…just…would…not…go…foul!
OMG!!! Jeter is terrible this year!
that was a melky cabrera hit
We will certainly take it.
that is Captain DP justice.
Quadruple play, that cracked me up.
omg that was close… dumb play by lowell
Move the runners along, score a run. Bloop and a blast and we’re down 1.
Wow. Just wow.
We’ll take it.
slide next time Molina
odds up or down on Jeter GIDP?
that ortiz homer looms big now. would have been 5-1 with bases juiced no outs
come on guys!!lets score all of these guys
It’s not an out, I won’t complain.
rallye caps on everyone, game is not over…
Losing the game isn’t the issue tonight. But at this point in the season, you cannot keep throwing out re-treads. We got some starts out of Ponson; ate up some innings. Now it’s time to move on. Hopefully Cashman keeps the train going full speed.
OK so let’s say you score some runs this inning, you’re not going to put Ponson back out there, right? Because is anyone even seriously warming?
there we go
cmon yanks. lets get back in this thing with 2 or 3 more runs
Too bad we dont have Wash pitching.
now we just need a few more runs
HAVE TO WORK LESTER!!!!!!!!!
Make him work.
You guys aren’t giving Jon Lester enough credit. Like it or not, the guy DOES have the raw stuff necessary to be one of the best, if not the best, lefty in the game. He needs to clean up his control, but he’s definitely got the arm to pitch like an ace.
That said, I hope the Yankees smack him around Fenway.
there we go 3-0
walk em in Lester
rally caps
bobby, take 3 straight pitches. he wont throw a strike…i don’t think
the latest report, we offered a ‘average’ prospect for Washburn.
I wonder who an ‘average’ prospect is considered to be.
There we go!!!
Sidney pitches next inning until some one gets on
arod homer, one run ballgame
Wisdom from John Sterling: “What the Yankees have to do to get back into the game? Score the runners on base.” Genius!!
aright!!!!!! cmon arod
GS makes it a 1 run game
i like that
No way Ponson comes back in now.
amen jon, lets go arod…
God, A-Rod needs to do something big here.
There you go Bobby keep the train rolling. Let’s do it AROD.
LOL
Lester is toast…..
can they get back in this game? one big hit and they take away the sox resolve
5 rally caps on
NOW how does Ponson’s crappy start look?? If Moose or Pettitte was there, this’d be a win.
cmon alex, big contact here
Alright!
Come on! Get some more runs in.
“He hasn’t pitched GREAT in any start he’s had with us. Our offense actually came alive and gave him over 8 runs of support. If you don’t win games with that type of support, you should not be in the majors.”
Nemo actually I would consider 5 hits and no runs in 6 innings, and 5 hits and 1 run in 6 innings, against the Mets and Rays, EXCELLENT pitching.
Pete’s comment about Ponson is pathetic.
our bullpen better be busy
bad break, meh
Ouch that hurts.
Rally killer!
AHHHH, he scalded that ball.
Really bad luck, they’re pounding Lester.
Alex, that’s not exactly what you were supposed to do…
120 mph = soft liner?
CRAP!
Why is Lowell ALWAYS perfectly placed?
One very LUCKY out!!! aurgh
way to keep it going, alex.
Obviously A-Rod is out. When nobody is on, he hits, when there’s people on, he chokes.
oh jeex. heres our big chance and its NADY!!! meh. big AB for X
I guess not.
Comeon NAdy, time to become a true Yankee. LOL
ok lets see what u have nady
come on Nady. Show us something
“One very LUCKY out!!! ” That was a soft liner.
Nady…. no dp pls
Pedro, get a grip. A-Rod cranked that ball. If he could aim it, he’d hit 1.000. Stop being such a downer.
if nady grounds into a dp i am officially turning off my tv for the night
pedro- how is that choking, he hit a scalding liner to third.
“Obviously A-Rod is out. When nobody is on, he hits, when there’s people on, he chokes.”
How is ‘Scalded the ball, but someone right there’ ‘choking’?
you HAVE to challenge him!
great call bobby on not sending johnny
…Oy, Xavier, you do need to hit eventually.
he looks confused at the plate
Why did he hold??
Trisha- All you have to do is go back to when the Yanks signed Ponson, and Pete was basically calling the guy a fat drunk. I don’t know why Pete hates him.
my bad. Alex did hit it hard.
so much for listening to the announcers.
Lester is throwing a lot of pitches this inning. might need to be a battle of the bullpen if we get a few runs here
bases loaded no outs and no productive outs
that is not good…now you are leaving your inning up to rob with 2 outs
Do the Yankees blame Meachem for not knowing Ellsbury here?
meacham again picking the wrong times to be conservative. WTF?
oh, and to whoever said before that Nady was hot – right on.
How sad will it be if we don’t plate any more runs this inning. I’m not trashing the team since that’s not what I’m about. But it will be sad to waste such a good opportunity.
Robby needs to stay hot here, chip into the lead a little bit more – gotta do it
Lester’s pitch count is getting up there – they’re bullpen is going to have to get some work in.
with just good outs we could have made it a 3 run game. lets see what robbie can do though
that would have hit the moon
can they at least get 1 more run from this?
lol, Pedro should change his name to Black Cloud.
Wow, the Yankees are 2nd in the AL getting guys in with 2 outs? And they’re only 11th overall? Talk about a bizarre stat.
Horrible, horrible, horrible!
basesloaded no outs and they squeak out two runs. christ.
I have a question. Maybe one of you can tell why Melky keeps turning his head when he runs. I understand you try to see the ball when running from firsw to third base but Melky just now turned his head to see Lowell. he scored alright but he loses a step.he should run a har as possible and check the home plate umpire. Melky is so frustating.
88 pitches through 5 for Lester. 1 more max for him.
Blown opportunity…
AUUUURGH WTF!!!!!!!
This is the unluckiest game EVER.
5 seconds listening to those ESPN Haters and I want them all to GTH !
this is not our night
Game over. The Yankees had it, and blew it. Bases loaded, no outs, 2 in, they HAD A CHANCE and blew it BIG TIME. Nady’s AB was beyond horrible. TAKE A PITCH. He swung at ball 3, and Damon HAS TO BE SENT in that spot.
7-2 and still bases loaded no outs and we get 0 runs
1-9 misp now! and the 1 didnt score a run
That’s disappointing.
Still, we’re not out of this yet.
No more shutout inning talk- check
Chip, chip, chip.
Bah, wasted opportunity there.
That said, we did get something, and something is always better than nothing.
Lost opportunity…Lester is pitching on fumes from this point on…..
good news: lester is done, they can get at their bullpen. bad news, should have scored more. just bad luck. can’t hit his high fast balls.
Well that was pretty much a disappointment.
im about to pop a blood vessel in my head
Who would have thought?! Another out with RISP. Now we know that those last 8 games were just a fluke, the offense is as bad as they’ve been playing the whole season.
damn it, we really let them off the hook there..it will be tough to recover from that
Pete: You’re right about Sir Sid. Not that I have high hopes for Washburn, but if he’s better than Ponson and/or Razz, it’s an improvement. It’ll be interesting to see if they bring up Aceves and/or any other arms from the minors to improve the starting rotation. In the meantime, as Ken Singleton says, the name of the game is winning series (and sweeping whenever possible, of course). And tonight aside, it’s good to see the Yankees’ offense is back in business.
Good Lord. Bobby proves again why he is the worst 3rd base coach in the league. Ellsbury does not have a good arm.
If Ponson was pulled when he should have been, we’d be in the game right now.
eh, let Lester, who is struggling, off the hook easy there.
hey ponson is out cmon DAN!!
No words can describe that level of failure. The Yankees area disgrace with RISP. That there was the game Lester will settle back in for 7 cozy innings. Hand it to DelCarmen and Pap and the game is over.
Would you prefer they were still being shut out?
Dan is in. Girardi does want to win this game.
Hold them here Giese
does mecheam look at videos on the arms of OF?
Geise is going to hold them here, the Yankees can score off of this pen. So many missed opportunities but we’ll come through!!
How can you not send Damon against Ellsbury’s arm? Meacham is pathetic.
I HATE JON MILLER!!!!
Can someone ban Pedro from this forum? His comments are not wanted here.
“Game over.”
Cause if there’s one thing we all know for a fact, it’s that Boston has a high quality shutdown bullpen that CERTAINLY wont let us back in this game…. :\
I am glad this spells the ned for fat boys stay in stripes. Get me Washburn he would have at least kept this game close.
that 3rd base coach needs to be removed. that’s one run they could have gotten.
Wow, yesterday everyone had them going to the World Series, today they are the worst team ever. People get a bit too high and a bit too low.
People need to calm down. They scored two runs, and they really ran his pitch count up. We can take our chances against their bullpen and a tired Lester. This game isn’t over.
im about to pop a blood vessel in my head
We just won 8 in a row.
can someone tell me why Manager Einstein left Ponson in until he gave up 7 runs ? Does that idiot just have his head up his keester tonight ?
Ok, let’s get out Captain Chump!
gotta we can get lester out of the game next inning and get to the sox bullpen in the 7th and 8th.
Nady’s at bat was the game. 2-0 count, he’s on the ropes, bases loaded, down 5, WHY ARE YOU SWINGING?
WHY WOULD YOU SWING?
He not only swung, but he chased ball 3, and did not hit it well enough for even DAMON to score. That at bat was the game, which in case he failed to notice when he was up there, was still well within reach considering they were a hit away from being right back in it.
Although it would certainly be helpful for Giese to throw strikes here. That was entirely a SB on the pitcher.
the worst part, is these two runs scored on lowell hoping the ball would go foul and a bases loaded walk.
and trisha, those are two of his starts, what about the rest? yeah…. i thought so.
anyways, ponson or rasner need to go, especially after tonight. I was hoping washburn would have been traded and started tonight but now it looks like he might cost us more.
we have played great the past 8 games, lets hope this one doesn’t slip is back into our pre-break ways.
I hate all the whining on here, and I’m not joining in but I gotta ask, HOW IN THE HELL is Meacham still coaching 3rd base on this team. Ellsbury throws like Damon. YOu have to send the runner in that spot. And then laughs about it? WTF?
Strike zone: find it
1 more Dan
Ouch!! Watching that hurt ME!
hopefully Giese can throw a goose egg up.
Hey ponson – take a look – a rook showed you what a 1-2-3 inning looks like (on either team).
How ’bout Dan Giese?
Looks like the Yankees have their long man for ’09.
According to Suzi “there was no way Damon could have scored off of Elbury”
It almost hurts here if Giese pitches well. He should have been in in the 2nd inning after everyone with two eyes saw Ponson getting batted around.
Back to work bats..chip away
Good job Giese. Now watch Lester get back into his groove just brilliant last inning how the Yanks used that killer instinct.
…Some of you guys really need to calm down.
This team has won 8 in a row and has gone from nine games back of first to three in TWO WEEKS. Okay, so it was three but one of those was the four day all star break.
That is pretty freakin’ incredible.
One loss doesn’t change that.
Sheesh some of you are so quick to get back out on the ledge. Did you leave a chair out there or something?
Hey nemo you’re a riot!!!
First you say this:
“He hasn’t pitched GREAT in any start he’s had with us.”
So I name 2 of his 4 starts and prove you entirely wrong, and you come back with this?????
“and trisha, those are two of his starts, what about the rest? yeah…. i thought so.”
Thanks for the laugh!
Everyone at least theres the brightside. Tomorrow Boston faces its kryptonite, the Angels.
yeah can we really talk about changing up our 3rd base coach. he’s leaving so many runs on the field by holding guys up unnecessarily or getting guys thrown out by 10 feet. at some point, that will come back to haunt us big time. lets change it up now. i hear willies on the unemployment line
This team should be ahead today. That’s not an outlandish thing to say either. Ponson’s defense cost him 2-3 runs, and the horrible AB’s with RISP probably at least 2-3 more. They should have scored at least 1, possibly 2 more with the bases loaded. If there’s no GIDP from Jeter, they probably scfore at least 1 that inning. If Jeter turns the DP, that’s 1 in the first instead of 3. Tha’ts a 5-6 run swing, and guess what? We’re down by 5.
No it doesn’t – but this game was/is winnable… all Girardi had to do was show some freakin’ intelligence and take Potluck out of the freakin game after two innings of meatball Batting practice and this game would be within reach.
“Nady’s at bat was the game. 2-0 count, he’s on the ropes, bases loaded, down 5, WHY ARE YOU SWINGING?
WHY WOULD YOU SWING?
He not only swung, but he chased ball 3, and did not hit it well enough for even DAMON to score. That at bat was the game, which in case he failed to notice when he was up there, was still well within reach considering they were a hit away from being right back in it.”
Geez, can the kid get 2 full games to adjust to his new team? That’s probably one of the most important AB’s he’s ever had in his career. He’s a good player, he will come around.
And they still ARE a hit away from being right back in it. Giese is fine out there, though it’s a shame he wasn’t brought in earlier. Guess they were trying to give Sir Sid every chance, but I hope his start today was all the motivation they need to make the Washburn move.
we had our chance last inning but we still are only 1-9 with men in scoring pos. and the 1 hit did not score a run. that is bruuutal. meanwhile can sexson just sit down, forever
Sexson got 3 88mph FB right down the middle and couldn’t even hit the ball.
Nady not showing too much. Huge spot and he came up empty. Sox bullpen is bad though, game not over yet
Pete Ponson has now made 5 starts with the Yanks. He has 3 solid starts Mets Rays Twins, and 2 awful starts Rangers and tonight. Why are you including his last 3 starts with Texas?
“One loss doesn’t change that.”
No, Rebecca it doesn’t. I think what I find frustrating is that this was not a game we had to lose. I know that we’ve won 8 in a row and we are very fortunate to have won the first two games of this series, but time is running out. We have to win as many games as we can from this point on. It doesn’t matter if it’s against BOS or BAL or KC. A win is a win and we need all of the ones that are within our grasp.
Sexson has a funny swing. Funny like a clown.
enough should coulda woulda
It is what it is..let’s see what they can do
Sexson needs his release. I know that he likes to K but this is ridiculous, could he at least foul some pitches off get the frickin count up.
Maybe Girardi just doesn’t want to burn the bullpen with Rasner going tomorrow.
Giese as 5th starter?
I could less what the Yankees have done in the past eight days, it’s beside the point.
Meacham is showing to be totally incompetant as a third base coach.
three pitches in pretty much the same spot and you can’t foul one off?
UPDATE, 10:18 p.m.: You could see this Ponson performance coming down the Massachusetts Turnpike like a speeding truck.
Here’s what you do: Leave him out there to suck up three more innings, DFA him tomorrow and trade for Jarrod Washburn. The Yankees were lucky they got what they did out of Ponson. His record is (and was with Texas) totally deceiving.
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Amen to THAT, Peter !!!…how good does Washburn / Aceves look now as our #4 / #5 as opposed to Dough Boy and Razzamatazz ?
I think we’re all forgetting one major thing here.
According to Tim McCarver in Saturday’s game, the Red Sox have won 36 of their 48 home games. That means they’ve won 3 out of every 4 games, 12 times.
Meanwhile, Melky continues to swing at 57 footers.
I doubt that anybody thought that even from shallow center field, Ellsbury’s throw would miss home plate by 20 feet? You’re the same whiners that would have complained if Damon was thrown out.
I thought Moose was going tomorrow?
melky can you not see that a pitch is going to be in the dirt. for crist sake right handed you strike out on the breaking ball in the dirt about every darn ab
Okay, stop saying they are favoring Lester because of his cancer battle. If Joba or Rivera had beaten cancer and in the same year pitched a no-hitter, all od you guys would be calling them saints, so give the guy a break. He doesn’t want to be known as the guy who beat cancer; he wants to be known as a talented Sox pitcher.
OK – so anyone know what Lester usually goes to in terms of pitch count? He’s close to 100 now…
And I thought Sexson had bad AB’s. Melky is absolutely ridiculous from the right side.
Lester is as I predicted back in the happy place so much for the rally to end all rallies.
Lester brown nosing Angel Hernandez in between innings? Sorry, but LOL.
“Maybe Girardi just doesn’t want to burn the bullpen with Rasner going tomorrow.”
Bingo.
pat-Moose is Tues. Raz is tomorrow
could this ump be more inconsistent
nice 123 guys
The Yankees should have been trailing say 7-4 right now and right back in it. They beat themselves tonight more than the Red Sox ever could have with horrible AB’s and questionable defense.
Rasner isn’t pitching tomorrow. Because of the off day before the Red Sox series, they can skip Rasner’s turn in the lineup and give the ball back to Mike Mussina on his regular 4 days rest.
Lester kissing the umpire’s @$$.
“Okay, stop saying they are favoring Lester because of his cancer battle.”
So you’re addressing the random comment on that, and not the majority posting here who haven’t said anything like that?
Mmm’kay.
hey trish, take a look at Peter’s last update, and kill that love-fest you have for Ponson, k?
Some of you need to wake up about Ponson.
He has not had strong starts. He’s just been very very lucky.
He’s just not good.
“He doesn’t want to be known as the guy who beat cancer; he wants to be known as a talented Sox pitcher.”
The fans think of him as a talented pitcher. It’s the announcers that keep reminding everyone that he had cancer.
Okay, here is what I am ready to concede. I am convinced your comments about about this being Ponson’s last game and about Ponson being on his way out SO ridiculous and preposterous that if it turns out you are right, I am officially becoming a Sux fan.
OK, Lester at 104 pitches, that should be it for him. Let’s beat up on the bullpen.
It appears that Seattle just gained a little leverage today with Washburn pitching a good ballgame and Ponson predictably stinking up the joint.
But I would stand firm on the current offer if I’m Cashman. Deep down, Seattle knows this is the way out for them on Washburn’s contract and they also know the Yanks are the only team who could make that happen.
If Seattle wants to get rid of him bad enough – they will fold. Cashman has been pretty good at playing high stakes poker with other GMs the last couple of years.
Under no circumstances should the Yanks part with any good prospect. There are other options if the Washburn deal falls through.
I think maybe Cashman was waiting to see what he could get out of Ponson tonight, in a situation like this, in order to determine how much leverage he had with Seattle, to what degree he could play hardball, etc.
I hope he has seen enough tonight to make up his mind.
Lester is at 104 pitches, so I am guessing he is done for the night.
Their bullpen is beatable.
Giese just has to hold em here. Strikes Giese
They’ve let Lester off the hook too many times here. This game should be a lot closer. As far as I can see, while the ESPN announcers are touting Lester like he’s the second coming of Steve Carlton, he appears to be beatable.
Can we please skip Razzies start losing 2 in a row kind of kills 8 game momentum streaks IMO.
“So you’re addressing the random comment on that, and not the majority posting here who haven’t said anything like that?”
Maybe you should check out all of the posts above.
Mhmk.
anyone else think kennedy and/or hughes are going to come back strong this year without the immense pressure that was on them at the beginning of the season? we may not need washburn if at least one of them can return to their form from last year
Orel said that Pedroia was 5’5″. I was guessing 5’7″
Trisha, with all due respect, you are talking like a fool.
“OK, Lester at 104 pitches, that should be it for him. Let’s beat up on the bullpen.”
Not so fast they have let Lester pitch well past 100 before he might be back. The Yanks had their one shot this game is over.
9 hits, 1 bb, 2 runs. This is why they are where they are. The OFFENSE. And even during their winning streak, they were still occassionally leaving tons on base. Look at the saturday game against Oakland. What did they have, 25 baserunners and 4 runs? They’re leaning on their pitching and can’t bail them out on a night like tonight when they aren’t perfect. They have to be able to grind some of these games out.
“He doesn’t want to be known as the guy who beat cancer; he wants to be known as a talented Sox pitcher.”
It’s a shame that the media won’t let him. Instead they keep exploiting his illness.
It says that Pedroia is 5’9″, but he’s actually 5’6″.
Moose is pitching tomorrow my god not Rasner
Jon- Hughes and IPK have not proven to me that they belong on a major league team let alone the Yanks.
Jon, I’m on the fence on that question. I would say that if Kennedy or Hughes do come back, it will only be as a #5 starter at best if the Yankees deal for Washburn. Either way, I think that they have had a llot of time to clear their heads and get a fresh new start on things. Again it’s not really the pressure that people put on them to perform, its how they handle it when they do come back. It would be risky to plop either of the two in the middle of a pennant race, but then again, so is pitching Rasner.
trisha, that was a silly thing to say as it is very likely Ponson is gone and when it happens you will NOT become a Sux fan and we ALL know it.
Maybe you should pick your battles and use some reading comprehension.
I forgot about IPK – that’s another possibility. And it’s true, they can carry Raz (who at least pitches well with Moeller) or Ponson, but not both. When they’re facing a good team, trying to win with Sid is like climbing Everest on a bicycle – extremely difficult at best.
Must we hear about the Manny nonsense again? Geez!
“hey trish, take a look at Peter’s last update, and kill that love-fest you have for Ponson, k?”
Nemo, rational people don’t look at his record with another team. They look at what he’s done since he came here. By the way, Pete is merely someone who reports on games, he is not a baseball expert.
Actually I don’t have a love fest with players, rather I am not known to flip out or lose total control when they have bad games. I also know how to look at the big picture, something you obviously don’t bother doing since your information was faulty from the start.
When you can find a way to control your emotions, feel free to communicate with me. Until then I’m sure you will find plenty of company to flip out with you.
K?
mlb.com has Moose listed for Monday.
STOP GIVING YOUKILIS FREE BALLS.
“Not so fast they have let Lester pitch well past 100 before he might be back.”
Just as well if the Yanks work counts and get a baserunner or 2, then the bullpen has to come in with men on.
It seemed to me that Cashman And Joe G. dad rated Ponson ahead of Rasner maybe I’m wrong either way hopefully they do what Pete says and get rid off Ponson now and give IPK another chance.
Stupid, stupid, stupid pitch outs.
Giese.
This is Fenway. Your team isn’t out of it.
Get outs.
I still have hope we can pull this out. We are playing in the Green tuna can after all. If we don’t it’s only disappointing because TB lost, and we could have finally picked up another game in the division.
over.
” UPDATE, 10:44 p.m.: Here is what Ponson has done in his last eight starts:
42.2 innings, 67 hits, 29 ER, 18 walks, 6 HR. That’s a 6.12 ERA. The Yankees can’t keep running him out there every five days. You can get away with Rasner or Ponson, not both. Keep Rasner, DFA Ponson, trade for Washburn, keep Kennedy ready. ”
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OK, Pete, all the SANE people here are inclined to agree 100% with you here….please go right up to Cashman tonight and tell him to do exactly that !
Just as I type that, Giese can’t find the strike zone.
They look at what he’s done since he came here.
Well, why don’t you do just that Trisha? The Yanks won the games he started, but he was not good at all.
DFA PONSON.
hhhmm. Thought it was Rasner tomorrow and Moose Tues. My mistake.
Strikes Dan
Trisha, with all due respect, you are talking like a fool.
Bob, with all due respect that’s how sure I am about what I said.
So we’ll see who the fools are when we see whether Sidney gets any more starts, okay?
Look at that, getting the runner in from third with less than 2 outs. I thought that was illegal.
is this ESPN or NESN my god they have been all over the Redsox all night long, no stories bout the Yankees being hot or Joba throwing a gem the other night and winning game 1 of this series. ESPN really needs to get some announcers that wanna talk bout baseball more than the red sox and wonderful they are. They do no wrong its sick Id rather listen to John Sterling and Susan
Every run you fail to score with runners on base is an extra run you give up to the other team by swinging momentum back their way. Our failures with RISP have contributed to this deficit as much as the pitching itself.
OK, now it is time for us to trot out a reliever we could care less about and put one right in Manny’s ribs.
its offical, Ponson’s “get out of trouble” card has expired.
Not giving Manny anything to hit is a good move
WE GOT THE 2 WINS WE WANTED
NOW COME HOME AND TAKE CARE OF THE O’S AND THE ANGELS
THANKS SIDNEY FOR THE 1 GAME VS THE METS, NOW GET LOST AND BRING IN WASHBURN
NOT THAT HARD PEOPLE
2-8
this is the red sox game
Ahh the predictable Yankees suck chant.
Ahh the predictable Yankees suck chant.
SAFE!
go youk
Wow. Wow. Wow. I hate these umpires with the passion of a 1000 suns.
take care of the angels! yeah like thats so easy
I think he was out. Not that it matters.
Block the plate next time
MOLINA CALLS A GREAT GAME AND IS A GREAT RECEIVER OF THE BALL BUT HIS TAGGING ABILITY NEEDS A TON OF WORK
Situational hitting, fundamentals. The things we forgot to do tonight that the Red Sox have. The Yankees were in this game the whole way and could have won it, and they threw it away. I don’t get why they always have the clunker after so many positives. At least show some fight, like you came to the ballpark.
i mean 9-2
Trisha, Pete’s been covering baseball longer than I’ve been alive.
I think that qualifies him as an expert.
Giese, this was totally not what you were supposed to do. At all.
“Ahh the predictable Yankees suck chant.”
I know. They are like a bunch of five year olds. No class whatsoever.
7 run lead – 9 outs to go… lester’s at home asleep alreay. Meanwhile, Geise can’t seem to figure out where the strike zone is.
we seriously have a problem tagging people. we’re to blase about it. jeter is a pretty bad offender of this
OK – so on Thursday we thought we might win on Friday, best chance on Saturday and no chance today. Friday was a win, yesterday a blow out and today as expected…how can we feel like this is the end of the world?
hey sox fan, nice to have you here… we missed you Friday and Saturday
Jon Miller has a man-crush on Ortiz and Ramirez.
GreenBeret7
July 27th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
“I doubt that anybody thought that even from shallow center field, Ellsbury’s throw would miss home plate by 20 feet? You’re the same whiners that would have complained if Damon was thrown out.”
Hey pal I’m not a whiner, I watch all the Sox games, Ellsbury has absolutely NO RANGE with his arm. Meacham had Arod thrown out twice last week when the odds were against us and then holds Damon back against Ellsbury. Meacham continually uses poor judgement and in a critical game we ultimately will pay for it.
Notice how the lowest common denominator of sox fans only turn up here when they’re winning.
lets see some pithing from the yanks this has become boring
Hey Bob, I already did for one misinformed kneejerker. I’ll do it the last time for another one and then I really am done fighting this issue. We can wait to see whether the Yankees get rid of Sidney based on this start and then we’ll see who has to concede, okay?
He pitched 5 hits and 0 runs in 6 innings against the Mets.
He pitched 5 hits and 1 ER in 6 innings against the Rays.
That’s not just good, that’s excellent.
I guess we can blame all of the Sux runs on Sidney’s start.
Yankees will continue to play great ball beyond this bad game. But those of you who flip out on a regular basis have no hope of ever dealing with equilibrium as long as the Yankees ever have the nerve to lose a game here or there.
Enjoy riling each other up.
it’s the end of the world if cashman cant find a #4 and #5. trade for someone NOW.
Great AB Damon.
Stupid, stupid, stupid baseball from Damon.
Get this kids pitch count up!!!
“If Joba or Rivera had beaten cancer and in the same year pitched a no-hitter”
Since you brought up Joba … where were you on Friday when he was squirting it in your team’s ear? And actually outdueled your ace? As opposed to, you know, beating on a #6 like Ponson?
Giese is terrible. Ponson is better than this though. He’ll be okay the rest of the year. We can win with him.
lets see the yanks pitch this has become boring
Angel: I was thinking the same thing
If the Yanks lose tonight’s game, it’s not the end of the world, as they’ve one the series, and are still right in the thick of things. However, I can’t agree that Ponson has pitched well for us. He’s gotten good run support which has helped him not pitch under pressure situations. His WHIP with the Yankees was 1.72 going into today’s game. That’s not good at all.
The Mets game was the second game of a day-night double header and he had to do a houdini act to survive an offense that was dead at the time (excluding Giese’s performance in the afternoon portion).
He pitched a good game against Tampa Bay certainly, and deserves credit for that. But looking at his WHIP, you really expect it to be a matter of time before he starts getting shelled.
Regardless, we probably wouldn’t have won tonight’s game anyway, but I certainly would prefer to get Ponson out of the rotation asap. I’ll take Washburn, or even IPK, who at least still has a higher upside than Ponson does at this point in his career.
Maybe the Mariners will take Ponson for Washburn
The Yankees look like they’ve given up on tonight’s game, which is a shame, because they could have won it if they had better at bats with runners on base.
“hey sox fan, nice to have you here… we missed you Friday and Saturday”
“You can get away with Rasner or Ponson, not both. Keep Rasner, DFA Ponson, trade for Washburn, keep Kennedy ready.”
You’re 100% right Peter. Ponson was TERRIBLE Today, absolutely TERRIBLE. Get Washburn.
mlbtraderumors.com has a piece from Crasnick saying the Washburn thing is looking less promising.
“Ahh the predictable Yankees suck chant.â€
I know. They are like a bunch of five year olds. No class whatsoever.”
And the fans at Yankee stadium the night of the all star game booing sox players, when everyone is supposed to band together and be one team. They were like a bunch of five year olds. NO CLASS WHATSOEVER.
you guys signed damon bad move
Papelbon will be pumped for the all important 7 run hold tonight.
“Enjoy riling each other up.”
I thought you left.
Great AB Derek.
Blegh.
Game over – this was an important inning.
Trisha, I’ll repost the stats Pete posted above.
42.2 innings, 67 hits, 29 ER, 18 walks, 6 HR. That’s a 6.12 ERA.
If you think that’s anything but dreadful, I really don’t know what to say to you. Keep living in fantasy land I guess.
It’s like every time Lester is on the mound, they give up and think they can’t win. It’s amazing. Put Lester, Halladay, Burnett, etc on the mound and the team looks scared, whether the guy is pitching well or not.
RhapsodyInBlue and GreenBeret
When that ball was first hit, my immediate thought was to try and score Damon there. It was a medium depth fly ball, and with Damon’s speed was worth the risk. It’s not a terrible no-send, but I do think it was a mistake on Meachem’s part.
why are they warming up papelbon its 2-9 there is no need for a blow out
lol, that inning was less than 3 minutes long.
I am just so surprised that a market the size of Boston has no place for its baseball fans to go and chat/post during games…
Who says the Yankees can’t do better than Washburn?
LOL! Red Sox fans show up now.
Enjoy the 1 win you guys are going to get off the Yankees the entire second half!
KB, talk to your closer about learning some class. and isn’t it ironic that all the sox fans emerge from the rafters at the same time
“And the fans at Yankee stadium the night of the all star game booing sox players, when everyone is supposed to band together and be one team. They were like a bunch of five year olds.