Sir Sidney it is tonight
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 27, 2008 
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Sidney has been everything we could’ve asked.
He has horrible stats vs. Boston for his career but maybe he’ll find a way to turn it around tonight.
Aww I thought we might actually sweep the sox
Sidney will do OK.
Also, with the bullpen rested, Girardi will remove him at the slightest trouble and Yanks will win this game.
hope Washburn comes
I don`t know if Washburn is much better than Ponson. I was hoping they`d do a little better than Washburn, but I guess theres nothing out there. Yanks should be real loose today, as they got the first two already. Red Sox should be tight as there is some pressure on them tonight. I hope the Manny issue keeps escalating as it only helps.
Washburn’s been pretty consistently around league average for a pitcher (which is great for a #5 starter).
But get this: 8 of his last 9 starts were quality starts!
I read somewhere that he had 2 fewer quality starts than Santana last year. Consistently giving up 3 or fewer in 6 inning would be heavan from the 4th or 5th starter!
Bad weather tonight in Boston?
We have Giese as the back up for Sir Ponson tonight.
Washburn walked the Overbay, then couldn’t K Barajas after getting him 0-2 and eventually settled for an F8, Lind lined out to second and Rolen lined out to short when Wash had tried to pitch him in, but it leaked back over the middle.
WAshburn is much better then Ponson.Ponson walks and gets hit too many times.But with Cano hitting,SExson and Nady hitting great against lefties we should be able to hit Lester hard.
We are gonna have to hit him hard to win.Lucky Manny and Ortiz are just coming off injuries.
I like washburn and think he would be a big upgrade our rotatation.
however, you dont give up a guy like gardner or melky for him. Its Igawa and maybe a b-level prospect at best. you dont give up a guy like melky who is a starting cf and has saved so many runs with his defense.
iT SEEMS TO ME THERE IS A IMPASS WITH WASHBURN, I think they should trade for bannister for melky, Melky has not been hitting and we can either trade and bring some one up to replace him, also bannister is only 29, Washburn seems no better to me than posson or rasner, welcome feedback folks
They’re not trading Melky or Gardner right now.
I love Bannister BUT if you give up Melky who plays CF???
Washburn’s no hitter over
Phil
July 27th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Washburn walked the Overbay, then couldn’t K Barajas after getting him 0-2 and eventually settled for an F8, Lind lined out to second and Rolen lined out to short when Wash had tried to pitch him in, but it leaked back over the middle.
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Sounds like you’re trying to show how bad Washburn is. Why?
The simple fact is that Washburn’s been a decent #5 starter for years, and still is.
Ponson? It’s been FIVE years since he had a good ML season. Sure, the Yanks seem to win when he pitches, but that’s just coincidence. I hope the baseball gods shine their light on him today, but c’mon. . .I don’t know if the Yanks are going to get Washburn, but anyone who’d rather have Ponson than Washburn is someone I just can’t understand.
hey the yankees have pull surpries before what IF? they brought bernie williams back for the rest of the year to play center , if they trade melky
I say Washburn for Rasner, not Ponson
we can not trade Melky, we don’t have a CF.
Wow awful call in the Met game. The met ran out of the baseline and was called safe.
jake,
I am not trying to show how bad Washburn is, I’m writing down what he is doing. I assume he will be here in the next few days, and for people who don’t have extra innings, I was just writing down his inning.
So far this inning he’s given up a lead off double, gotten a flyball to Ichiro which held the runner, and got first pitch pop out from Eckstein for the second out. Now, he lost a long battle to Scudaro by walking him. 2 on 2 out.
Gardner?maybe.
so tonight is gonna be one of those good ole fashion 4 and a hf hr red sox yankees slugfests tongiht?
If you get Washburn as a salary (Igawa) dump, fine. If not move on. Let Seattle eat Washburn’s salary this year and next. The trade deadline is Thursday and Seattle may still decide to move Washburn’s salary. We still have Kennedy, Aceves, Jason Jones to bring up if Ponson and/or Rasner falter. Bannister would be a good pickup, but would prefer to deal Gardener. I still make that deal though.
Go Sir Sidney! Go Yankees…..sweep!
SoCalYankeeFan
how about Nady to CF?
he had experience at CF a few years ago.
And he gets a fly ball to first for the 3rd out. He got Rios to 2-2 without throwing him a single strike.
they are not trading for bannister what would the purpose be? Look at his #’s they have numerous Bannisters in the system.
I am watching washbum, what is the attraction?
He throws 86 MPH, his off speed is 78 or so.. He is getting by on guilen his pitches do not move a lot, and he is high in the zone…He is a better Igawa.. They both throw up on the zone, the scary thing is Igawa throws harder.
I do not see the attraction, if Ponson fails or rasner try Kennedy, or aceves, etc..
Washburn with the angels threw low 90′s but now he is not even close to those #’s…..
All the cardinals players have hands made of stone.
Thank god. Washburn is terrible and is a horrible pitcher.
Mid 80′s, 1.50 WHIP, 5 ERA in a pitchers park.
you guys lack of intellesct amazes me.. Yeah Melky stinks….The guys is 24 yrs old, has been on the Yanks for about 3 yr. the guy usually plays well in big series, and you are trading him for Brian Bannister!!!!!!!!!I guees 5.00 ERA pitches are attractive to you and there fore in a system bereft of position talent you just want to give away your starting CF so speed burner Nady can pay center.
Really do you guys watch any games???????????
Total clueless, fantasy fools…….Melky is hitting 250, he probably would be KC’s starting CF unless you think Gathright and his career 230 is better because you saw him on sports center 3 times!!!!!!!!
Bannister for Melky? Are you nuts? How does Bannister upgrade this team?
Melky is starting to hit, has a great arm for CF and is undervalued right now. We should not sell low…
IPK is almost where he was last year when he came up and was lights out, Aceves looks really good and Hughes is ready for game action. Any move for a mediocre pitcher like Bannister would be counter productive…he is no better than Rasner right now.
Bedard is another story…He might benefit from a move back east…He does not seem happy in Seattle…IPK, Gardner, and a couple of C+ type prospects may get it done if the Yankees eat Vidro’s contract.
stuart,
those Angels teams he was on were among the roidiest in baseball history.
“WAshburn is much better then Ponson.Ponson walks and gets hit too many times..”
It sounds like your describing Washburn in that last sentence. 131 hits in 112 innings, that’s Washburn. Keep in mind Ponson was pitching in Texas this year, TEXAS.
Ponson this year with his upped velocity is better than Washburn.
I don’t think (and I hope there isn’t) anything to that Melky/Bannister deal. It just doesn’t make sense
giving up on a young outfielder like Quentin turned out well for the diamondbacks….
I am not saying Melky will be quentin but the guy is 24 and has played in a lot of big games already…
Agree with VOIII with the exception that I consider Melky a no trade. Period.
The Brian Bannister rumor is made up. It’s fake, it’s a non-story. There is no way that Brian Bannister is coming to New York. We have many “Bannisters” in the minors.
Damn, that sucks. I’m sure I’m not the only one who was secretly hoping to have awoken this morning to find out that Washburn was en route to Boston to start tonight. He is much better than Ponson though, so I still want him, unless we have to give up Melky. If they insist on him, hang up the phone and pursue Freddy Garcia. (who, aside from health, is actually not that different from Washburn…a winner with diminished stuff).
However, this hardly means I’m not supportive of Sir Sid, nor does it mean I think he can’t do the job tonight. Anyone who has been watching him since he became a Yankee HAS to have become a bit fond of him, right? Right?
I don’t think it’s beyond him at all to find some way to win tonight. His victory would have to be fueled by full-on Ponsanity, but he’s done it before, he can do it again! (uh, theoretically anyway.)
Phil I have no idea if Washbum took the juice.. all I know is the guy cannot throw 89 mph, throws a high fastball, and his breaking ball is maybe 766 with minimal break.. I do not ee how he gets MLB players out to be honest…..
hell what do you expect for $10 mill. a year…….
the only reason Bannister is mentioned is to make Seattle realize this is their chance to unload Washburn
Why are people comparing between Washburn and Sidney.
If he comes on board, Washburn will repalce Rasner.
Sidney is doing well and he will be in the rotation until Wang or Hughes otr Kennedy is deemed ready.
I am not saying we should trade Melky but I often wonder what the fascination with him is. If think about it logically, we should look at how much of a defensive loss we would suffer by putting Damon in center as opposed to how much of an offensive upgrade we would get by replacing Melky’s offense with either an injured Posada or Matsui’s offense at DH. If it is possible to quantify whether the offensive upgrade is greater than the defensive loss, then we should choose to go with Damon in Center and whoever is healthiest at DH.
VOII Bedard is hurt, has 1 yr. left on his deal, and he is a supreme talent but his stock is down now a bunch.. He is a offseason move for the Mariners…..
How do people say Washbum is better, blah blah blah , they do not even know who he is or ever seen him pitch, or have not seen him pitch since 2001…..
I am watching him as I type, he is not very impressive at all……
moose has 5 inches more movement in his pitches then this guy…
Oh, and that Bannister trade rumor has the ring of BS. I happen to like Bannister very, very much. He’s so cerebral and it reminds me of a young Moose. Imagine both of them on the same staff, how much the elder could teach the younger?
But I wouldn’t want to give up Melky (even though quite frankly Bannister is probably more valuable over the long term/next few yrs), it would leave way too big a hole on the team. Also, there doesnt seem to be much of a reason for the Royals to do this either.
Jennifer, I am 50 miles south of that horrendous little town known as Boston, and it is quite overcast right now. Our forecast is for thunderstorms. We have had t-storms over the last few days. Yet last night was absolutely beautiful. So there is really no way of knowing what is going to happen. We haven’t had nonstop rain, so it could rain for a while and stop before the game begins.
stuart
he just threw 89. Hey, and he got a K on a breaking ball that was tipped and held!
omg that has to be the funniest thing I’ve read here. Bring back Bernie who hasn’t played in 2 plus years to play center when he was losing a step than.
Also the Yankees have tried to bring him back to pull the lever at the stadium he declined citing prior commitments. they asked him back to otd, he declined, saying he has a vacation planned. Bernie really get over it already.
Trading Melky in the middle of this winning run doesn’t make alot of sense to me unless your getting something worth it in return.
Brian Bannister or Jarrod Washburn would most definitely not be worth it.
CF change needs to be done in the offseason.
thanks trisha.
I think Rasner is better then SIdney so I dispute your post.. Rasners #’s show that also except wins and loses which is a bad indicator of performance..
Rasner is a better option by far in my opinion then Washbum, regardless of salary, and when you throw the salary in it makes the comparison a joke..
WASHBUM… IS a bum….I am watching it with my eyes. He has not given up a run so far tonight and I am amazed of it…..
Don’t trade me!!!
Seriously, I’m guessing if either Bannister or Washburn come to Yanks, they don’t think Wang is coming back or that Kennedy can be a fifth starter.
If we’re talking playoffs it would be Joba/Pettitte and Moose.
Jesus what is this love for Melky Cabrera? “Oh we can’t trade Melky for this guy or this guy”
Please… we’re lucky if any team wants him.
The Cardinals are another awful NL team. Cannot believe Villone and Hitchcock still pitch. Wish we could play in that awful league
Question, when they say salary dump they mean the Yankees are the ones getting dumped on? I don’t know much about Washburn but I’ve seen him pitch twice and wasn’t really impressed. Paying that kind of money for him is just a waste. We have some solid pitchers in AAA, lets bring one of them up and give them a shot instead.
“Why are people comparing between Washburn and Sidney.
If he comes on board, Washburn will repalce Rasner.
Sidney is doing well and he will be in the rotation until Wang or Hughes otr Kennedy is deemed ready.”
because Raz is a better pitcher then Ponson
yeah Phil Washbum is dealing he has 1 strikeout against one of the worst offenses in the game ….
SIgn him up for cooperstown, 7- pitches in a 4 inning gem……
again look at Igawa compared to Washbum, I amazed that igawa actually has better stuff, that is scary…..
Stuart: you’ve failed to prove that Jarrod Washburn isn’t a competent #5 starter.
But you certainly HAVE proven that you are one arrogant dude.
“because Raz is a better pitcher then Ponson”
Prove that with facts.
….Prove that with facts for this year.
“I am not saying we should trade Melky but I often wonder what the fascination with him is”
I can’t speak for other fans but personally, I’m not gonna lie, a lot of it is sentimentality. Just love the kid and always will, despite his BA or his prolonged waving to the Bleacher Creatures.
But also, part of it is that he’s just too important to our immediate future. If you trade him, who plays CF? Damon? No. Gardner? His bat would nullify any defensive value he brings, and as of now Melky is still the better defender anyway.
Melky is no superstar and he never will be, but unless we found a defensive CF in FA, I don’t think he will ever be tradeable until AJax comes into his own in MLB.
“Why are people comparing between Washburn and Sidney.
If he comes on board, Washburn will repalce Rasner.
Sidney is doing well and he will be in the rotation until Wang or Hughes otr Kennedy is deemed ready.”
That’s a BINGO in my book!
Steve – I can tell you my fascination with Melky. For the first time in a long time, I am not embarrassed when a hit goes to center; nor do I hold my breath when a catch is made in center but there are runners on base; nor am I fearful that every hitter on a particular team is going to try to aim for center in order to score runs. We are not a team that is deficient in offense. To give up someone with the defensive ability of Melky on the hopes that we upgrade somewhere else on a team where we are not desperate to upgrade anywhere is flat out the wrong thing to do.
Melky is also one of the fastest on the bases, and when the kid is hitting, he can really spray the ball.
My mantra is: JUST SAY NO! (when it comes to thinking about trading away Melky)
Yeah anthony brain surgeon, 24 yr old CF’s grow on tree’s. ANd since you are so smart name 3 playing in the big leagues right now??????
We are also not in love with Melky but think he is adequate on a very good team…
the yanks have had about 10 or so good Cf’s young guys in the last 20 yrs. or so based on ANthony’s analysis and the other Einsteins on this site.
At 24 Bernie wore coke bottle glasses and was getting booed regularly by the geniuses at the stadium…..
Look at Washburn’s last 10 starts, he has been very good. Also he isn’t a strikeout pitcher. The only problem is the go-fo is 2-9 today, but he would be an upgrade over Ras or Sid.
Damon is a very good ball player but there is no way he can play a regular CF, the guy throws like my middle daughter and she is not 5 feet tall..
He can play CF here and there but his arm is so bad it is a non teneable position…..HE would be the cause of many many runs….
Stuart- If the Yanks make the playoffs, and that is still a big-if I would much rather have Washburn starting that game then Rasner or Sidney. Who knows if Hughes will be back, and who knows on Wang. I don’t even want to talk about Pavano.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08209/899899-63.stm
Well, that’s not good…let’s hope he can recover from that.
“what IF? they brought bernie williams back for the rest of the year to play center”
or Mickey Rivers
“Jesus what is this love for Melky Cabrera? “Oh we can’t trade Melky for this guy or this guyâ€
Please… we’re lucky if any team wants him.”
it has NOTHING to do with “love” for Melky.
it has to do with who plays CF for the rest of the year.
Melky for Bannister might make sense in a vacuum, or in the off-season when the Yankees can get a CFer.
but not now, when it forces Gardner, who is clearly much worse than Melky (right now, not saying he won’t improve) into CF.
seriously, use some common sense. this isn’t brain surgery.
there will be no game tonight I bet
“The Baseball Prospectus Web site reported that it was Coke.”
still doesn’t excuse them from choosing Karstens over Kontos. that made no sense.
I was only kidding about b williams, but melky is not that great folks! Cashman talks about is young farm hands I am sure there is a better cf down thier or trade for one, How many times has melky been up with runners on and did nothing 250 ba is not great, great arm or not, The yankees have been know for great centerfielders ,melky is not one of them
Yeah, bring back Bernie….
….for Old Timers Day so we can pay our respects to him and he can pay his to the Stadium!
Ironically though, the BBB in my name stands for Bring Back Bernie. lol I created it early last season when we weren’t hitting LHP AT ALL, in hopes he could return exclusively as a DH/PH vs LHP.
Obviously I no longer feel that way, but Bernie is my all-time favorite so I just can’t bring myself to change it. I really do hope he shows up at OTD this year. Honestly it would kind of sting if he didn’t.
Great…THANKS ESPN!
I think the Pirates took Karstens because they needed a starter up there now, even though Jeff isn’t very good.
“I think the Pirates took Karstens because they needed a starter up there now, even though Jeff isn’t very good.”
but why? to save their last place season?
why not opt for the guy who actually has some upside?
Talking about trading Melky is just foolish. He’s not a superstar, but he is a super value at his rate of pay. Additionally Melky plays good/excellent defense (when not waving at the bleacher creatures) and is decent at the plate. Gardner would be a huge step backwards and if you move Nady you now have a lousy CF and no LF….. it’s great to want All-Stars at every position, but dealing Melky makes absolutely ZERO sense.
Washburn is an upgrade on either Ponson or Rasner, but not enough of an upgrade to be worth the $$$ unless Seattle takes on Igawa. Otherwise if Kennedy backs up his last start with another beauty give him a shot.
“Why are people comparing between Washburn and Sidney.
If he comes on board, Washburn will replace Rasner.”
Trisha – even Michael Kay said that! But you’re right – Rasner would go to the bullpen.
Washburn would be a servicable #4 starter and that is all the Yanks are looking for right now. And if all it costs is money, why not go for it?
Mark(brett has arrived) if the Yanks make the playoffs as presenlty constitued they should start only 3 pitchers in the playoffs.. moose, andy, and joba.. ponoson, rasner, and washbum are not playoff caliber pitchers non of them are…
that is the bottom line, you are talking about a 5th starter at best, for $10 mill., who is old and fading, look at the damn game… He is a Igawa at 87 not 90, and if the ball is in the middle of the plate it is trouble ask JohnMcdonald about that.. His 9th jack of his career of Cy Washbum..
Oh I agree the Pirates should have taken Kontos over him, but its the Pirates when is the last time they ever did anything right?
I’m watching The Hall of Fame inductions.
I am always hesistant to get involved in trade talk discussions since opinions vary greatly and the players we talk about are not going anywhere anyway!
I am always grateful that we have an organization that doesn’t kneejerk the way fans do nor an organization that demands that every position on the field be filled with the equivalent of Babe Ruth.
GO YANKEES!
McCutchen had a rough 1st inning for his first AAA start for Pitt. Gave up a homer, but he did drive to Indy yesterday for this start so I am sure he isn’t feeling that great.
Michael Kay nows Jack. he has never seen most of the prospects play and I bet he is not home on a SUnday during the day watching the baseball package…
Title does not equal knowledge..
Raasner is better then Ponson, look at the damn #’s……
….Prove that with facts for this year.
more walks, more hits.
Stuart thanks for pointing out something I meant to when I read one of the posts but forgot to say.
WHEN we make the playoffs (if? give me a break), we need three good starters and some decent backup in the pen.
Mission accomplished already.
I like Washburn better than Ponson, but give Sid credit for 3 quality starts in his 4 Yankee appearances. That’s awesome regardless of the run support he’s seen.
Melky blows. He just does. Wow, he has a strong arm….5 assists. That just isn’t needed from a CF and really doesn’t impact the game that much. Most importantly, he’s not a great coverage CF, he’s just not. People making him out to be Torii Hunter or something.
.306 OB % from a CF is terrible. 36 runs in 356 at bats is terrible. 35 RBI’s is terrible. .657 OPS is terrible. .250 avg is terrible, especially for a slappy (which he is).
My only concern is who do you replace him with. That’s the question. Damon has a weaker arm than Chad Pennington.
I’m not subscribing to Brian Bannister in anyway by the way!! He’s like a slightly better version of Darrell Rasner. Yuck.
But I’m definitely open to trading Melky for something.
Check that, Sid only pitched 5 2/3 in one of those starts, so it’s just 2 quality starts. Sorry.
But I’ll take 5 2/3, 3 ER from our #4 or #5 starters most days.
I seriously don’t understand how somebody can type that Ponson is better than Washburn while maintaining a straight face. On what exactly are you guys basing these assertions?
The numbers don’t lie and they show that Washburn has been significantly above average every month this season except May. And it’s probably no coincidence that he was used out of the bullpen in early May – it messed him up for a few weeks, that’s all, but he got his mojo back and has been fine since then.
I watched his outing vs Boston on Monday. He gave up 2 runs. Go ahead and try to tell me you wouldn’t sign up for that outing from a 5th starter. Just try!
Also, we all know there’s a lot more pressure, and pitchers are a lot more mistake prone, when your offense sucks so bad that Miguel Cairo and Willie Bloomquist are everyday players. Put Washburn in front of an offense that can actually score, his life gets a lot easier and his starts probably get better.
But even if they don’t. 2 ER in last start vs Boston, a lefty, 2.82 career ERA at Yankee Stadium. What more do you want from the guy, for the role he would fill?
Last I heard this morning, Seattle wants a “handful of prospects” for Washburn and for the Yanks to take on most of the money as well. Screw Seattle, there is no way you can make that deal. Washburn is nothing special. Especially as a salary dump, Seattle would be fortunate to get even a low level minor leaguer. I say no deal, and I hope Cashman will do the same.
Yea that sounds like a real good plan going with 3 starters in the playoffs. That worked out real well last year having Wang pitch in game 4.
“Michael Kay nows Jack. he has never seen most of the prospects play and I bet he is not home on a SUnday during the day watching the baseball package…”
Stuart, as someone said earlier you really come across arrogant.
How many of these prospects did you see, before passing on this judgment on Kay. At least, for Kay, following baseball is his full time Job.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not a supporter of Kay. But still what you write is arrogant like many other posts you write here belittling others’ opinions…..But you know what, you are entitled to your opinion, I guess
“….Prove that with facts for this year.
more walks, more hits.”
Give the numbers for the season including the innings, not pluff statments….
its not a fascination of melky..
its just logic, melky may have hitting problems this year, but he has been a gold glove CF for sure.
if you get rid of melky, who do you want playing CF. Brett Gardner. give me a break.
Regarding Melky, these people that point out the number of assists he has just don’t get it or understand baseball. You have to take into account runners not taking an extra base on balls hit to CF. That is huge. Remember when base runners would just run and run and run on balls hit to CF when Bernie and Damon were out there?
I don’t mind Kay, but he is also in a position where he can ask Cashman how he and the organization feel about certain players at the minor league level. I don’t watch a whole lot of minor league action either, but I’m pretty sure Kay, like me, knows how to take a moment while working his radio show or the game or whatever to look up some minor league stats if he needs to.
I don’t see why there is so much interest in Washburn. I’d rather give Kennedy another shot.
From Baseball-Reference, Rasner’s WHIP this year in almost 72 innings is 1.50. Ponson’s WHIP is 1.60 in 79 innings, and is 1.721 with the Yankees. Ponson’s ERA is lower than Rasner’s however. But because of the WHIP statistics, it suggests Ponson is pitching with a bit more luck this season, and eventually the tide will turn.
Rasner’s shown to be a battler on the mound. I haven’t seen that from Ponson yet. So, I’d rather have Rasner over Ponson in the rotation any time.
Mark – see this is how you do it. If your number 1 starter doesn’t have what you need in Game 4, you turn to your pen. That’s the value in having a pen that isn’t overused!
So now that we have a manager who actually knows how to manage a bullpen, to have two starters sitting there for potential spot starts and then having phenomenal arms to cobble together whatever else you need is, well, the formula for success.
I was thinking today that there is something so refreshing about being away from the Torre days, and that includes a whole new way of facing Boston and a whole new way of having one of your most important factors – your bullpen – operate.
I agree with McCarver about something – when the Yankees make it to the playoffs (he said if), Joe Girardi will definitely be hughely considered for Manager of the Year.
Look what he’s had to overcome in terms of player injuries/ineffectiveness (Kennedy). And look what he has produced.
“Seattle wants a “handful of prospects†for Washburn and for the Yanks to take on most of the money as well.”
Jebus, that’s insane. They must be smoking some potent Canadian nugs up there.
I want Washburn, but I would not overpay like that. Seattle management is 8 Excedrin short of a medicine cabinet if this n00b interim GM thinks he is gonna pull one over on Cash like that. I understand he is in an unenviable situation, trying to make his mark so he doesn’t get replaced by Gillick in the winter. But does he not comprehend that NO ONE ELSE is willing to eat Wash’s whole contract, so if he continues to negotiate himself right out of this deal happening, he has actually set his franchise back? That’s an impression alright – the wrong one.
Also, for those of you reading the fan elation on Mariner blogs about the prospect of dumping Washburn, don’t be fooled. That’s not cause he’s bad, it’s because he’s very overpaid. If you were a Seattle fan, with all the ridiculous money they have tied up in guys like Ichiro, Johjima and Silva, wouldn’t you be thrilled at the idea of dumping any $$$ you could too, especially knowing your team is going nowhere the next few years? Hell, they even want to dump Ibanez’ contract, and they love him over there.
they shouldn’t overpay for Washburn given his salary and the fact that we’d be stuck with him next year. giving up your starting centerfielder for instance, regardless of his poor BA, for Washburn – that’s overpaying.
hope giese is ready to pitch tonight.
I wouldn’t mind taking both of them out of the rotation and letting Kennedy and Aceves get a shot. Could make Rasner the long man, send down Giese to stretch him back out, and go to Giese again as a starter if needed. He had some decent outings. Washburn could add stability, but that price is too high if it’s true.
“still doesn’t excuse them from choosing Karstens over Kontos. that made no sense.”
I’d guess that the yankees didn’t give them that option. I think that the lists submitted to the pirates had different combinations of talent allowed.
The pirates could have Kontos and Coke but if they chose McCutchen then they would have to take a lesser guy as the 4th prospect. That’s why they took Karstens.
That’s just a guess. If you look at the overall “talent” in the package as a constant McCutchen+Karstens roughly = Kontos+Coke. Something like that.
Kontos is still a valuable trade piece for future deals. If he wasn’t the one who raised the medical questions I don’t think the yankees would allow him to go with the other three.
Is the weather as ominous as it is here?
Weather.com lists the chance of t-storms in Boston after 8:00pm as 40%.
In the City, yes THE City, the sky is leaden and the winds augur a major storm at any minute.
Rasner > Ponson
still doesn’t excuse them from choosing Karstens over Kontos. that made no sense.
This is just not true, not true at all.
“From Baseball-Reference, Rasner’s WHIP this year in almost 72 innings is 1.50. Ponson’s WHIP is 1.60 in 79 innings, and is 1.721 with the Yankees. Ponson’s ERA is lower than Rasner’s however. But because of the WHIP statistics, it suggests Ponson is pitching with a bit more luck this season, and eventually the tide will turn.
Rasner’s shown to be a battler on the mound. I haven’t seen that from Ponson yet. So, I’d rather have Rasner over Ponson in the rotation any time.”
No question WHIP is a good measure when you compare similar pitchers.
Sidney is a gorundball pithcer and that makes difference relative to a flyball pitcher.
It is no different from Mussina and Pettitte having a better record and ERA relative to other pitchers with lower WHIP.
Simply not worth it to take Washburn on. If he gets 10 more starts and averages 7 IP at a 4 ERA, both of which would be better than his career averages, you’re talking 28 ER he’s given up. If Rasner pitches 10 more at 5 IP and a 6 ERA, you’re talking 30 ER given up, plus whatever the bullpen gives up. And that’s worse than what we can probably expect from Rasner, or whomever replaces him if he should pitch that badly.
So to prevent a handful of runs you take on a bad salary, which you cannot dump next year for any more than you’re giving up this year. Cashman might be thinking about this deal, but I doubt he has his heart set on it.
CB, can you give us a quick scouting report on Kontos and Coke. I’ve read a little about Coke b/c he’s a lefty but nothing on Kontos.
What was the medical issue, by the way, that unnerved Littlefield?
Rumours aside, there is only one pitcher, A.J. Burnett, who could be a significant upgrade. Conversations must be going on under the radar.
Brian S — It just amazes me the rip jobs you take on Melky with no intelligent CF alternative proposed. No he’s not Torii Hunter. He’s also not a ten year MLB veteran making $ 18-19 million a year.
His offense is down from last year, but considering he’s not yet 24 he still has a good shot at becoming a .280 20 HR, 80 RBI guy and I can live with that. He’s been awful against LHP this year and that’s why his overall numbers are way down, but that wasnt the case the last two seasons.
Read Bad Scooter’s 2:42 post… good lesson on the true value of an excellent throwing CF.
Washburn pitching a great game today. This will probably drive up the price for him
Kontos had the labrum issue, even w/ that Kontos is a better upside than Karstens.
“Sure, the Yanks seem to win when he pitches, but that’s just coincidence.”
Yeah, that and the fact that he’s pitched into the 6th inning and given up 0,3,1 runs in his wins.
If I had an opportunity to leave Seattle and go to the Yankees I’d pitch a great game too!
The news I’ve just read on another blog is that Melky may be on the way out in a trade of one sort or another (Washburn plus a highly rated prospect) with the Yanks also dealing to get Winn and Benji Molina from SF.
Winn would replace Melky in CF, the new Molina would become the staring catcher and Washburn taking Rasner’s spot in the rotation.
These are all rumors only folks. Just passing on what I’ve heard.
Ok did anyone see Johan look at a “foul” ball and it actually ended fair and he jogged to first base. it looks like a little league play.
Washburn 3 hits 1 run in 6 innings.
Vidro 2 for 4 ,1 homer 2 rbi’s.
Now Seattle will probably want Melancon and Cano, and tell us to eat Washburn’s entire salary!!!!!!
Cashman should just call the M’S gm on deadline day, and say you want this guy on your payroll next year, or you want us to take him lol.
Melky, along with Giambi and Cano has had among the worst luck in the AL this year.
Stuff wise: Ponson>Rasner>Washburn
Savvy wise: Washburn>Rasner=Ponson
brandon update ur santana homerun counter pujols just hit one out
Everyone arguing over a fifth starter…wow. A 13 million one at that. Sorry, the Pavano train left four years ago.
Wang will be ready and strong by September 1–hopefully for the Boston series at the end of August.
Kennedy is still around–that is, if he’s not traded for Texeira, or someone else.
This whole Washburn thing has the smell of a screen for something else. Notice how the Nady/Marte thing was masked by the Bonds talk?
True, it was Pujols, and Johan’s pitching a gem, but add one to the count, babee!
brandon update ur santana homerun counter pujols just hit one out
Thanks
“The news I’ve just read on another blog is that Melky may be on the way out in a trade of one sort or another (Washburn plus a highly rated prospect) with the Yanks also dealing to get Winn and Benji Molina from SF.
Winn would replace Melky in CF, the new Molina would become the staring catcher and Washburn taking Rasner’s spot in the rotation.
These are all rumors only folks. Just passing on what I’ve heard.”
Winn’s not a great CF.
Depends on the highly rated prospect; Clement or Morrow? Sign me up.
Not sure if I’d feel great knocking Jose back to the backup role – he’s done wonders with the pitchers; don’t want to mess with a good thing. Bengie has a much better stick, though.
Yanks61
Where did you hear those rumors? Other teams web sites and blogs?
I love TBS having an afternoon Sunday game on, especially when it doesn’t involve the Yanks or Mets, which seems like every week, when we would normally get that game anyway.
This site has a great preview of the trade deadline, including a review of the nady-marte trade.
http://theblogofchampions.com/?p=155
If the whole melky-bannister trade goes through, who plays center? I don’t think Austin Jackson is ready. Is there a name I’m missing?
no one is trading melky or any prospects for that overpaid pos washburn.
what about trading cabrera, gardner and lets say ramiro pena and coke or contos for bannister, buck and dejesus??…. works for me… dejesus plays CF, buck C and bannister can replace rasner
I hope you’re right, fred.
Washburn doesn’t fit, IMO, since he’s owed a good chunk of cash next year. Plus, he stinks.
“can you give us a quick scouting report on Kontos and Coke.”
Kontos is overall the better prospect but Coke may be more useful to the yankees in the long run.
Coke is 26 and has never pitched above AA. He’s having an absolutely phenomenal season in AA this year. Just dominant. Statistically, you can make an argument that he’s been one of the 3-4 best pitchers in the Eastern league this year. Never showed any signs of doing this before. He’s left handed. Throws in the high 80′s/ low 90′s and has show good command and a good breaking ball this year.
What to make of all this is hard to say – anytime you have a guy who is old for his minor league level and suddenly does well its difficult to know if he’s made a breakthrough or is just getting over on experience.
The reason why including him in a trade right now was a good idea was that you’d be selling high on him. Before this year he wasn’t much of a “prospect.”
His use to the yankees stems from him being left handed. I think the organization really does think he’s taken a step forward and could be a useful left handed reliever.
Kontos was part of that great 2006 draft the yankees had. He was from Northwestern and didn’t have a lot of experience pitching. He has a good arm and the yankees took a chance that they could refine him. He did very, very well in Short Season ball at Staten Island (along with Tim Norton who unfortunately had a rotator cuff tear that’s probably ended his career). He’s done ok since. He throws high 80′s/ low 90′s and has a decent slider with some bite on it. His issue has always been his middling command.
That said he has a decent arm and in most organizations would be a fair prospect. He’s only 23. He’ll never pitch for the yankees – his value as a trade piece (say 3rd or 4th guy in a deal) exceeds his potential to help the club at the big league level.
Will Carroll has reported that it was Coke who failed his physical – not Kontos as Mike Ashmore the Trenton beat writer was speculating yesterday. This is very important for the yankees as Kontos has decent trade value.
I know this will create a lot of controversy, but give me 5 good reasons why we shouldn’t go for Bedard instead of Washburn, especially if Seattle wants a top prospect or Melky thrown in the deal. His situational stats this year are better than Burnetts, and he’s a lefty with a cheaper contract than Burnett or Washburn.
I’ll throw in what is likely to be two of your reasons behind not trading for him.
Reason 1. Not ready to pitch until 1st week in August, cause on DL, with shoulder tightness. However MRI proved shoulder sound.
Reason 2. He’s a head case. Is he really or is it dissatisfaction and frustration being with the worst team in AL?
Thoughts??
stuart
July 27th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Mark(brett has arrived) if the Yanks make the playoffs as presenlty constitued they should start only 3 pitchers in the playoffs.. moose, andy, and joba.. ponoson, rasner, and washbum are not playoff caliber pitchers non of them are…
that is the bottom line, you are talking about a 5th starter at best, for $10 mill., who is old and fading, look at the damn game… He is a Igawa at 87 not 90, and if the ball is in the middle of the plate it is trouble ask JohnMcdonald about that.. His 9th jack of his career of Cy Washbum..
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True. Washburn has been HORRIBLE today!! 91 pitches through 7 innings, gave up 3 hits, 2BB, and 1 run on a solo homerun. TERRIBLE TERRIBLE. His 10th quality start out of his last 11, or so. Who wants a guy like that? A guy who threw only a few pitches today that topped out at over 90mph? I want an ace to be my 5th starter, not some mediocre bum!!
I don’t understand why would the yanks trade for anyone else. We are winning with the team we had. Nady and Marte were needed but trading for Washburn is not needed. We just need to concentrate in taking series instead of trading players.
Melky is more than enough this year and should not be traded. He is starting to heat up and always does great defensive plays. And we don’t been Benji, Jose is good enough since he already knows the pitchers.
Interesting observation… Santana and Washburn have the same pitching lines so far today
7 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 2 K, 1 HR
Except Wash has 2 walks, Santana has one.
what about trading cabrera, gardner and lets say ramiro pena and coke or kontos for bannister, buck and dejesus??…. works for me… dejesus plays CF, buck C and bannister can replace rasner…thoughts??
The Royals are up 2-0 over the Rays in the bottom of the 4th.
Great job by Washburn this morning.
Royals will blow it.
this afternoon*
Washburn pitched really well today. Yeah, his stuff is a little short, but he was smart out there, and was able to get them to swing at balls they couldn’t drive most of the day. He could probably benefit from exposure to Moose and Andy. He got out of a jam in the 3rd that might have turned into run(s) for Rasner or Ponson.
“This whole Washburn thing has the smell of a screen for something else. Notice how the Nady/Marte thing was masked by the Bonds talk?”
I tend to believe that.
Sidney and Rasner are not doing that bad and Washburn is not that big an improvment.
Also, we already have the four starters we need for the playoffs in Mussina, Pettitte, Joba and Wang.
Every thing else is already set except probably improvement at catcher.
Cash money will not deal Melky or Gardner. We wouldnt have a CF is Melky is dealt and also, Gardner is a player the Yankees never had before. Cash money isnt going to give up someone who has potential to hit for .300 average and steal 50+ bases. I dont even think Cashman inquired aboiut Bannister. He knows that there are many guys in the farm that are Bannisters, good 1 year, shaky the next. Personally, I think we are done with deals until the off season. I dont think the Washed-up burn deal will happen. The Mariners seem to want the world and more for him. Theres no way any team will deal a top prospect and eat up the rest of the salary for a washed up, no good pitcher. Rasner is better than Washed-up durn!
Some people here are crazy. Why would you trade Melky? All you need is a end of the rotation starter. Changing anything else makes NO sense. It’s clearly working. You can’t really improve from 8-0 after the all star break. Someone had a great comment yesterday. Some of the bandwagon fans wanted the Yankees to go 10-0 in that 8 game stretch. When something is working, you leave it alone, you don’t start reworking the entire team. Get another starter, and that’s enough. Melky is MORE than adequate in center field. This isn’t the Mariners, you have enough superb hitters that having one bellow average hitter in the lineup isn’t going to hurt you, and I believe that Melky’s hitting will improve.
Wang has a serious foot injury and there is no guarantee that he’ll be back in September.
Royals will blow it.
You know that Soria kid is not a bum
I guess Washburn also pitched a 1 hit 8th. 101 pitches today.
crawdaddie
July 27th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Wang has a serious foot injury and there is no guarantee that he’ll be back in September.
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True.
If the Yankees were expecting to get Wang back this year, they wouldnt be looking into
Washburn.
Anybody see who’s in Toronto’s lineup? Eckstein leading off, Scutaro #2, Rod Barajas batting 5th??? Other than Rios and Overbay (who is batting cleanup) its a triple AAA lineup. The Yankees are on a great roll right now why mess with it? Marte and Nady essentially replaced Hawkins and Gardner who weren’t being used – that is clearly an upgrade and those two are priced favorably for 2009. Washburn is way overpriced for 2009, he isn’t much of upgrade (if at all) over Rasner, plus there are better and cheaper arms in AAA should a replacement be needed.
3-0 kc
As pure speculation could the Yankees really be after Bedard? A few others brought up this idea. What would it take to get him?
The same Jays lineup that beat us 2 of 3 the weekend before the break.
well look at that Santana is in the 9th for the first time in 2008
another good game by a yankee pitcher
J. Washburn 8.0 4 1 1 2 2 1 4.50
Ponson is going to get killed tonight. Oh well 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.
As pure speculation could the Yankees really be after Bedard? A few others brought up this idea. What would it take to get him?
He’s a 6 inning pitcher then quits, he has back issues, srm issues and attitude issues..He’s not a guy the Yankees would want.
Mike- Bedard is a heartless player with a fragile arm. He is not Yankee material.
I really hope that Cash makes the Washburn trade or trades for another starter. As long as the Mariners dont expect anything more then a lower level prospect. People are nuts if they think this team can go another 2 months with Pon AND Ras in the rotation. I of them fine not both. I don’t mind Ponson so far but Rasner has to go. Washburn would be fine as a #5 starter. Plus he has been great his last 9 starts. Yanks are lucky if they get anything more then 3 innings 5 runs tonight.
another good game by a yankee pitcher
J. Washburn 8.0 4 1 1 2 2 1 4.50
We need to take in account he’s pitches for the worst offense in the ML.. Washburn has been pitching better than good in his last few starts. He’s making a case for himself if the price is right.
Was out all afternoon and was sorta (only sorta) expecting a newsflash on Washburn. It’s okay that there isn’t, just, I like those surprises!
Anyway, drove home in torrential – TORRENTIAL – thunderstorm in central NJ. Huge temperature drop, too. If it’s on its way up north, the game will probably have some delay but not get rained out. The rain, which was, did I mention TORRENTIAL, is pretty much stopped now, but the thunder and lighting continue in the distance.
Way off topic, but we went to see the movie Mamma Mia. You know it is a hoot! Really fun, for those of you who are like me, which is to say, a sappy female!
Anyway, for you 007 fans, the sight of Pierce Brosnan in 70s spandex and Elton John style platform shoes is also a hoot.
Bedard changed when he went to Seattle, maybe he was crushed by being traded to a bad team. However I still believe he must be injured because last year in Baltimore he looked like a top 10 AL pitcher.
I`m fine with Rasner but definitely not Ponson
Washburn is reliable. He`s usually mediocore, but he`s very reliable. I wish they`d gotten it done before today
johan fastball is 91-93
Mike- I think Cash was resting on his laurels after robbing the Pirates. He would have been more vigilant with Washburn if he hadn’t gotten Marte and X. I see this deal going down soon and Razzy getting replaced after his next start.
LOL at Washburn today. Also, can the Royals win a game for the love of god…
what about trading cabrera, gardner and lets say ramiro pena and coke or kontos for bannister, buck and dejesus??…. works for me… dejesus plays CF, buck C and bannister can replace rasner…thoughts??
“Bedard changed when he went to Seattle, maybe he was crushed by being traded to a bad team.”
Seattle wasnt a bad team when bedard was trade and many pick settle to go to the world series
“johan fastball is 91-93″
Wha happenned?… I suspected Johan to drop off but so soon last year he was 95-96, he is only getting by because the NL stinks.
Today he sat 89 – 92 topped out at 93 mph (Johan) there is a huge drop but hey he pitched his first CG in NY.
Santana – complete game. Good for him. The Mets certainly needed him to go as long in the game as he could today, coming off a 14-inning affair last night.
Buzz- Playoffs maybe nobody picked Seattle for the WS. Even when healthy they had Bedard, Felix followed by question marks. Plus their pen was horrendously overrated due to their success last year Putz has not been as good and they traded Sherrill.
The Mets will go all the way if they keep this up.
True-”If the Yankees were expecting to get Wang back this year, they wouldn’t be looking into Washburn.”
Not completely True- The Yankees have a very tough 2nd half schedule, with upcoming 10 games against Angels, 4 against White Sox, and more games on road than at home, plus a season ending series in Boston. You still have to get to the playoffs, even if Wang does come back in September.
I think they do need an experienced 5th pitcher, especially if one of our others goes thru the “tired arm” syndrome, or gets hurt. Should it be Washburn??
“Wha happenned?… I suspected Johan to drop off but so soon last year he was 95-96, he is only getting by because the NL stinks.”
yup and he allowed 2 hr today but because beltran made a great catch he only gave up 1. The cards lineup stinks they only have 3 major leaguers in that lineup. He is not even 30 how does his fastball drop 2 mph?
Who picked Seattle to go to the WS?
I guess Willie was the problem after all.
I am trying to stay upbeat but I see Lester dominating tonight. We all know what Jabba the hut will provide, 3 innings 5-7 ER and 10-12 hits it will be ugly.
No, the Mets failing to make a real decision on Willie for so long and allowing the situation to fester was the problem.
“Lets try. July 27th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
The Mets will go all the way if they keep this up.”
Ummm… This is a Yankees blog I would like to think that the Yanks will go all the way. The Mets are 10 games out if they played in the AL East.
“Who picked Seattle to go to the WS?”
i forgot who but i heard it on espn when they picked in the begining of the year
Ponson is going to pitch a perfect game tonight.
johan’s fastball drop 2mph next year too will be funny:)
Think the Yankees will make moves soon (as in this coming offseason) to get a catcher?
Leave it to the Mets warped fan-base to blame the struggles on poor Willie. It was his fault that Reyes is an immature hot-dog and also his fault that Delgado hit like a pee wee leaguer for the first half. Maybe its even his fault that Maine has dropped off or that Pedro got hurt, Mets fan are really a treasure. I am glad to share my city with them.
If the Braves do decide to sell, Tex can be ours for:
Hughes, Cabrera +1 from *the list*. Moot point because it’s not something we would do.. Hughes is not on the list, period.
remember you always ask for the moon AND stars.. it’s part of negotiating..
Ideally, we’d like to go Kennedy, Cabrera/Gardner (maybe +1 or 2) from the list.
Melky’s offense has scared away a lot of people. He no doubt has great defensive talent, but his offense is sub-par.
I probably said too much already.
(remember, this is pure speculation. I don’t know anything)
Willie was the reason Carlos Delgado stunk.
Willie was the reason Wagner blew saves.
Willie was the reason they did not hit with RISP.
Willie was the reason Alou, Church and Pedro were injured.
Willie was the reason Jose Reyes looked invisible.
Willie was the reason the pitchers did not perform.
Im sure Willie was the reason the Mets were bad the first half.
Here’s hoping for a rainout tonight.
if lester shows up tonight this game will be over soon
Who picked Seattle to go to the WS?â€
i forgot who but i heard it on espn when they picked in the begining of the year
I don’t recall anybody picking Seattle. Then again, I wouldn’t put it past a morons like Philips or Kruk.
That said, yes, Washburn’s a passable #5, but not for the money he’s owed next year, when he won’t have a spot in the rotation.
Are they even going to be able to get the game in? Weather.com says T-Storms all evening.
hughes is not getting traded, so stop dreaming
““Who picked Seattle to go to the WS?â€
i forgot who but i heard it on espn when they picked in the begining of the year”
Leave it to ESPN’s gang of idiots to make that pick. They only said that because they couldn’t pick Boston unanimously. NESPN is such a joke I am dreading their crappy broadcast today, I’d rather listen to John Sterling and that says alot.
Why would trade for Texeira. He is a solid bat and good firstbaseman, but we just added 2 right handed bats in Nady and Sexson. He is a nice player but I dont see why we would gice up so much to get a guy who is a free agent at the end of this season when we already have a sufficient amount of right handed bats and we can get him in the offseason for cash.
“what about trading cabrera, gardner and lets say ramiro pena and coke or kontos for bannister, buck and dejesus??…. works for me… dejesus plays CF, buck C and bannister can replace rasner…thoughts??”
sounds good, but i guess the royals would ask for another prospect maybe chase wright
“This whole Washburn thing has the smell of a screen for something else. Notice how the Nady/Marte thing was masked by the Bonds talk?â€
Quite possibly. I find it peculiar that a team as desperate to dump salary as the Mariners would engage in a game of chicken with Brian Cashman of all people. I would think the Mariners are highly, HIGHLY motivated to move Jarrod Washburn. So what’s taking so long? Is Washburn not the real target of the Yankees? Is Cashman being more ambitious? Perhaps Cashman engaged the Mariners on Washburn but also inquired about another pricey lefty fallen out of favor in Seattle, Erik Bedard. As ‘Yankee Trader’ pointed out, the results of the MRI on Bedard’s shoulder have been proven negative. Cashman has all the information he needs.
One thing that frightens me is that Melky’s name surfaced in the Bannister rumor and it’s quite possible that the Mariners wanted him in exchange for Washburn but Cashman pulled a bait and switch, offering up Melky in exchange for Bedard. Now all of a sudden, at the 11th hour, the Mariners want a ‘top prospect’ in exchange for ‘Washburn’.
Melky + top prospect = Bedard?
Nobody at ESPN picked Seattle to go to the WS. I just checked.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....xpertpicks
Playoffs, yes. WS, no.
“what about trading cabrera, gardner and lets say ramiro pena and coke or kontos for bannister, buck and dejesus??…. works for me… dejesus plays CF, buck C and bannister can replace rasner…thoughts??”
I’m a big “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” devotee. You have a centerfielder who has shown he can play in the Bronx. You have a starting rotation that is more than holding its own, but more than that, you have a very capable bullpen. And of course, we know all about the Yankees offense.
We have two very capable catchers. We never have more than that on the teamn so I don’t see the need to trade for another.
You cannot ever say that because a player is doing X, Y and Z elsewhere that he will do the same thing in the Bronx. The highways are littered with programs with the names of players who came through the revolving door in the Bronx because they were supposed to be able to be all that and more – and for many reasons were less than that.
So to trade for the sake of trading, when you doing have a crying need, and to get rid of tried and true in the hopes that you may improve a little – when you really are fine without ot – to me is both risky and totally unnecessary.
That’s my take anyway, Luis.
Buzz, dreaming.. are you illiterate?
“Hughes, Cabrera +1 from *the list*. Moot point because it’s not something we would do.. Hughes is not on the list, period.
remember you always ask for the moon AND stars.. it’s part of negotiating.. ”
where in that did you deduce that it would even be something considered.
funny, do you work in Tampa?
Fleas give it a damn rest already ! we have Sexson and Giambi the glut that forms is not needed plus they already stated they will not deal Hughes Cashman went as far as to say Hughes will work under an innings cap next season because this season was shortened. If Tex is going anywhere expect it to be Arizona.
Bedards out until August at least that is a bad trade who plays CF. Gardner? I never want to see him until he can hit big league pitching.
I imagine Seattle is looking for somewhat of a fire sale. The idea that Washburn was a mask for some other deals seems possible. Seattle needs to clean house and perhaps Cashman can work a deal and get some stronger parts. Desperate teams, desperate times can lead to certain deals that normally wouldn’t happen. I imagine Cashman’s talked with Seattle about Washburn, Bedard, and everyone else on the roster. Why not, see what the options are. It wouldn’t shock me to hear of a deal with Seattle that doesn’t include Washburn
PJH, Boston is trying to make a move for Tex for one.. Two, Giambi is showing his tiredness already.. and Sexson? That we did as a “throw some she-it against the fan and see what sticks”.
What happens next year when we need a 1B?
Tex will go, he is wanted by multiple teams. If the BRaves don’t sell before the deadline.. yes, FA will make a run for him.. however, if he is available NOW we will make a run for him too. The asking price is high, but there is some wiggle room.
Funny that everyone is looking for a deal where one isn’t really critical.
But it wouldn’t be kneejerk Yankee fans if that didn’t happen.
I imagine some of you were also ready to show the door to Giambi, Cano, Moose, Pettitte, and Damon at some points in this season.
For all of the people calling for Melky to be traded, please tell me who you think will be playing CF if he leaves.
If you say Damon, please slap yourself for being that stupid. If you say Nady, go listen to his interview on YES where he essentially says that he’s not fast enough to play CF. If you say Gardner, again – slap yourself; you deserve it.
I think that puts the Melky trade talk to rest. :p
Laura -
Trisha,
I agree with your point on don’t fix it if its not broke. There is the x-factor of being capable to play in the bronx that sometimes goes ignored when evaluating players, especially young ones. I agree Melky is serving the need and the starting rotation has been improving. We’ve been playing well. I do have to say that I disagree with the knee jerk Yankee fan comment. I believe that sometimes you give to get. Giving up a Melky as a package to get something else isn’t always a bad deal. If we only traded struggling people we’d never get anything in return.
Since they are in inferno sale mode. Offer Hughes and Ajax and someone else for King Felix.
Boston is not going to get Tex by trade, they aren’t dealing Youkilis for TEx who will command big money, they aren’t set on making a glut of 1B/DH on thier rosters, YOuk, Ortiz and Lowell and Tex (try to divide playing time there w/o trading one of them)…Jesus sometimes you just don’t understand trade market..And Arizona’s prospects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over Boston.
PLease keep Melk here. u do not need an all star at ever position.. he is a tremendous fielder and thats all we need now!!!!
For the record, I like Melky and do not want him traded. However listening to offers never hurt anyone
Since they are in inferno sale mode. Offer Hughes and Ajax and someone else for King Felix.
Why are we selling our future CF ?
I told you all there was a surprise coming up 12 hours before the X trade.. you attacked me.
yeah I just guess.. I am like miss cleo. I generalize so vaguely that if anything happens I can say I told you so :0)
Just because I am negative and don’t follow popular consensus. Doesn’t mean that I am not a Yankee fan and/or something.
Melky is a top 10 defensive OF in baseball. However his bat doesn’t match the glove but who cares he can go get it and hey hes better than Gardner.
Go after Washburn only if its for a “B” level prospect and salary. Talk of Melky being offered for Washburn is ridiculous!
Ponson and Rasner are fill-ins until one or more of Hughes, Kennedy, Horne, Aceves, Wang steps into the picture.
If this game gets cancelled, there would be a 5 game series at Fenway again later in the year?
Brandon, would you have ever guessed the Mets 4 would’ve gotten Santana? How about our 4 to get Nady/Marte? WOuld you ever imagined that? No.
Youk is not going anywhere. Duh. Doesn’t mean that it’s Youk or nothing. You don’t understand negotiating 101 kid.
Why do I waste my breath with you?
I’m watching the Yankees Classics and I saw Skippy…What ever happened to him?
“Brandon (Cashman deals w/ a ski mask & a gun) (Johan HR count: *18) July 27th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Since they are in inferno sale mode. Offer Hughes and Ajax and someone else for King Felix.
Why are we selling our future CF ?”
Brandon I am sorry you didn’t detect my latent sarcasm.
I would however love Felix on this team Felix+ Joba sounds nice but I would never give up Ajax.
Does any one know what is the injury with which Bedard is on the DL? Is it serious or a simple injury and he will be back after 15 days.
WHo’s autographed ball is worth the leat now?
A) Phil Hughes
B) Jose Vera
C) DOntrell Willis (World Series VS Yankees Ball)
http://gallery.mac.com/mikeisg.....olor=black
type: leat/least
Fleas the problem I have w/ you is that your full of it, when we ask you to fess up you keep quiet to sound like a genius. For the Yankees to go after Tex that would mean the end of Giambi and Sexson because Tex would have to play 1B fulltime to stay happy. Again you haven’t given one fact, notice when posters asked me about Manny being Manny I gave facts and the events supported it, you on the other hand w/ a 6 day limit can say from now on expect soomething unexpected and sound like that Bobcat person. That’s my problem w/ you Ms. Wannabe Cleo
‘Yankeetrader’ posted that MRI on Bedard’s shoulder ‘tightness’ were proven negative. There is no serious injury. He could be secretly demanding a trade. Would you blame him for wanting to get out of that pit?
Boston could put Youk in LF and move Manny to put Tex at First.
Look how genius this sounds…
I’m not saying anything but expect the Yankees to land someone big and it won’t be a pitcher.
Fleas, Dontrelle Willis would be worth the least. It also depends on the authentication. What are they? Steiner, PSA/DNA, etc.?
Hitman- Bedard would be better at Yankee stadium being a power lefty and all. Would’nt you rather have CC after the season because there is no way we get CC and Bedard.
Who is our 1st baseman next season?
“Look how genius this sounds…
I’m not saying anything but expect the Yankees to land someone big and it won’t be a pitcher.”
Was that a sarcastic comment because we REALLY dont need a big hitter right now. If I hear Adam Dunn I am going to go for a long walk.
Fleas,
Are you still getting your info from Cash’s nanny?
Brandon, your beyond help. Woe is me.
DFOX:
There not authenticated. However, easily can be.
Colorado wins its 5th straight, and 9 of 10 after the break.
Looks like Holliday and Fuentes are staying put, which is good considering the Rays, Sox, Mets were after them heavily.
Al from BK, I said that 12 hours before the Nady trade.
Mel,
Oh, Cash’s nanny doesn’t know anything other than, “I want to get married”
So out of the short period of time we have been on lohud we have found out this about Fleas
1. Everytime the Yankees lose she/he is always here
2. Hasn’t complimented this team on anything
3. Has a Mapquest to Johan’s house
4. “Called” the Nady/Marte deal w/o saying anything
5. Saids Tex to Yankees is imminent through his/her’s comments
6. Thinks Boston will end up w/ everybody
7. Can’t shut up about Johan when he’s actually underperforming as a SP
8. Is now an insider in trade talks in his or her mind
But hey that’s only for now…
Mel, She doesn’t even realize how fortunate she is for taking care of Cashman’s immediate and extended family. She brings the kids to Yankee Games courtesy of our Cash.. but just views it as a job.
some people would for that job.
If you did get them authenticated, don’t bother getting the Willis one authenticated, you wouldn’t be able to make your money back. Phil Hughes, eh, you can probably sell it for $35 or so maybe, and Veras, I don’t know, that’s a pretty rare signature, not widely available, but probably wouldn’t draw much.
You’re much better off holding on to them.
Someone Else
“Winn’s not a great CF.
Depends on the highly rated prospect; Clement or Morrow? Sign me up.
Not sure if I’d feel great knocking Jose back to the backup role – he’s done wonders with the pitchers; don’t want to mess with a good thing. Bengie has a much better stick, though.”
Pittsburg Yankee Fan
“Yanks61, Where did you hear those rumors? Other teams web sites and blogs?”
Someone Else & Pittsburgh Yankee Fan: apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I’m in another time zone, I’ve been busy this evening and I’m soon out the door and off to bed.
The guy that posted that info was on another blog. He’s very tuned in, posts a lot and never makes up stuff. Again, these are things he himself has picked up elsewhere. So there may be something going on, there may be nothing to it. It does get interesting, though.
If the Winn business is true, perhaps the Yanks believe that they can live with Winn until Ajax is ready in 2010 (assuming the Yanks think he is indeed on track to take over CF at that point.) Most importantly, if true, we all have to hope that the Yanks are indeed going to get an exciting return of one sort or another on the Melky deal. I think we can have faith that Cash knows what he’s doing if this is what’s really going down. Should be an interesting few days coming up.
Al from BK, I said that 12 hours before the Nady trade.
No no no correction you said nothing.. we told you spit it out or shut up then the next day you took credit for it. There was no inside here, you guessed w/ a 6 day time period left in the trade deadline, I tried taking your word for it but when you declined to provide proof or speak up your “spoiler” was taken w/ a grain of salt.
Brandon don’t forget that I have Cash’s mobile number and front row seats whenever I want..
other than you exaggerating, err.. lying, it almost sounds correct.
anyhow, I’ve had enough of you. /ignore until eternity
Pete, would you get on the comments part of the blog and tell all your Yankee fan commenters that Washburn is staying in Seattle unless Cashman comes up with a decent deal?
Why on earth would the M’s want to get rid of one of the few pitchers they have who has enough moxie to pitch deep in games, stays healthy, and is (relatively) cheap considering what he gives a club?
What do Yankee fans expect, something for nothing? (obviously!)
The bait-and-switch suggestions I’ve seen here makes a lot more sense to us Mariners fans — yeah, take the so-far worthless Bedard for those 2nd tier “B” grade prospects all of you think are “worthy” trade bait for Washburn.
Even ex-Yankee pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre couldn’t make Bedard be a stand-up guy, so maybe Stot’s successor will work magic with Bedard because he’s wearing the pinstripes…
Yeah, those pinstripes might make being a pain-in-the-rearend in Seattle worth it all for Bedard.
I think someone here has major mental problems. Either that or their IQ is about the equivalent of a snail. Name begins with a B.R.A.N.D.O.N but it wouldn’t be right for me to tell you who I’m referring to.
Ok so your telling me now that your close w/ Brian Cashman while Cashman reads lohud you sure are taking a big chance leaking potential deal if that is so.
anyhow, I’ve had enough of you. /ignore until eternity
Oh trust me I had my fill w/ you, how about this you don’t respond to my comments I want dignify or respond to yours deal ?
Al from BK-Why can’t we have both Sabathia and Bedard?
I love how ESPN broadcast go. Something like this everytime.
MIller: I am Jon Miller and uhh I am joined by Joe.. umm Joe Morgan and he is a hall of famer as you know. Morgan: Hey Jon we are here today to watch the WORLD CHAMPION BOSTON RED SOX who if you didnt know won it all last year. Miller: Yes Joe it was amazing how they swept the WORLD SERIES. Morgan: They truly are the best I cannot remember a team who has dominated an era as much as they have. Miller: What about the Yankees in the 1990s. Morgan: Well they were good but these RED SOX are way better. Miller: You know what Joe, your right! Lets sound it out to Peter Gammons in the Sox clubhouse. Gammons: Well Joe and Jon the Red Sox are just the best team ever in the history of sports ever!! They just exude the qualitites of a championship team. Miller: How so? Gammons: Well Jon its silly that you need to ask that, they are classy, well kempt, media friendly, and are held together by their glue ALL STAR CATCHER the captain Jason Varitek, he is by far the best catcher in baseball for what he does in the locker-room who cares if he is batting .200 or throwing out only 15 percent of runners he deserves to be a hall of famer! Miller: Thanks for that fair and unbiased analysis Peter, when we come back first pitch here on NESPN… I mean ESPN. That is exactly how it goes everytime it makes me sick.
Karen (Mariners fan)-
Is Bedard possibly acting up and playing possum because he wants out of Seattle? Do you feel he secretly demanded a trade or this ‘shoulder tightness’ is just his own way of expressing a desire to no longer pitch for the Seattle Mariners.
Oh, and about the discussions about Randy Winn?
No, he’s not a “great CF”. Not one of those Yankee-All-Stars-at-every-position types of players, anyway.
But he’s another one of the outfielders I wish the Mariners hadn’t traded away because he was pretty close to Mike-Cameron (ANOTHER ex-Mariner I miss) levels of ability defensively in the Safeco outfield, even though he was just an average hitter.
That was OK, though, in those days with the Mariners, because the team was a lot better offensively on those days — sorta like the Yankees always seem to be.
Don’t be always dissing players who are better on defense than offense; they make your pitchers’ jobs easier.
No, Bret, I don’t think so.
To quote myself on USSMariner, I think Bedard is a “recalcitrant selfish pampered hypochondriac who’s overly sensitive towards the media” — ANY media.
He started out his Seattle career angry and defensive from the getgo without any prying questions from the Seattle media — HE insulted THEM based apparently on ONE incident early in his career with Baltimore, when a B’more reporter apparently got a little too probing with questions in a post-game interview.
I’d love to unload him on the Yankees just to watch what the NY media does to him. I love him THAT much!!
I guess I should answer your question a little differently, although I think the above is the main problem with Eric Bedard.
If his on-again, off-again “health” issues — hip soreness, strained oblique, sore shoulder, are his way of communicating that he wants out of Seattle, he started it awfully early — in spring training. There must be better ways to tell a team you don’t want to be with them…like coming right out and telling them?
If the Mariners are smart, they won’t trade ANYBODY until the offseason. They should forget this trading deadline. It may be important to other teams, but it shouldn’t be to the Mariners.
Santana NEVER threw 95. Shut up.
Karen (Mariners fan)-
I believe in second chances. The expectations on Bedard were sky high in Baltimore and Seattle. He was expected by many to single-handedly carry those teams. Perhaps he just burdens himself with an acute fear of imperfection. He fears failure to such an extent that he avoids the game altogether at certain times, for instance, when his pitch counts run high and he’s more prone to make a mistake.
Put him on a winning team in an environment where multiple players perform at a high level and maybe he won’t feel so singled out?
BTW Fernando Martinez’s stock just dropped he again got hurt, same injury as Tabata.
Karen-Thanks for the lowdown on Bedard.
You must be really upset as a fan to have made some of the worst FA signings-Sexson, Vidro,Cairo, Beltre,Silva,Johjima and trades-Bedard.
With the capital your owners have it has to be a big dissapointment. Why don’t you want the Mariners to trade Ibanez while he still has value, and get rid of Washburn to save his salary next year. Then maybe they can make a play for Sabathia.
Trisha
teve – I can tell you my fascination with Melky. For the first time in a long time, I am not embarrassed when a hit goes to center; nor do I hold my breath when a catch is made in center but there are runners on base; nor am I fearful that every hitter on a particular team is going to try to aim for center in order to score runs. We are not a team that is deficient in offense. To give up someone with the defensive ability of Melky on the hopes that we upgrade somewhere else on a team where we are not desperate to upgrade anywhere is flat out the wrong thing to do.
Melky is also one of the fastest on the bases, and when the kid is hitting, he can really spray the ball.
My mantra is: JUST SAY NO! (when it comes to thinking about trading away Melky)
It’s alarming to me that this kind of explanation is required on why we should keep Melky right where he is, but I’m nevertheless glad you had the patience to provide it.
I’m not sure what people think a CF should do: perhaps juggle while settling under a flyball that hasn’t yet landed? Do these people who are relentlessly and obssessively focused on the idea that we “must” get rid of Melky know anything about baseball???
Where’d the Ponson fan club go?