Would you want Manny in pinstripes?
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Manny Ramirez is mad at the Red Sox and very badly wants to be a free agent at the end of the season. Let’s say he gets what he wants.
Should the Yankees try and sign him?
Ramirez will turn 37 next May. But he can still hit and presumably may want to return to his Washington Heights roots and play in pinstripes. The Yankees will have a lot of money available given all their expiring contracts.
So what do you think? Would you want him? Vote in the poll over to the right.
(Note: This poll is in no way affiliated with the Scott Boras Corporation.)
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not really
I’m Washington Heights born and I can absolutely w/o any doubt in my mind say… No.
The answer is no. End of story
No, never. He is a great player, but a disgrace to the game. And its a shame that such a great player treats the game that way. By the way pete you need to be sleeping. You left boston in a car 12 hours ago. You must really love your job
No.
At least when Alex is a distraction he still shows up and plays.
I thought the Yankees were trying to get younger?
No way.
Tough call. Great bat, great distraction. Cash and Girardi would likely think they can keep him under control long enough to make it worth while.
What’s the over/under on how long till him and posada would brawl? 2 days.
he’s gonna cut those dreads, tuck his shirt in, button it and stop looking and acting like a pos slob?
i dont think so.
manny being manny ain’t gonna fly with this organization. not to mention kill the chemistry.
abreu and jeter have gotten very old of late. and something needs to be fixed but manny is not the answer
Sorry I would take him. Let go of Jason, pick up Vlad in the off season,
Damon
Jeter
Arod
Manny
Vlad
Tex
Ouch……
sure at the right price
Absolutely (as a DH.)
Too old for the deal he’s seeking. He’s already got knee and hamstring problems. We have too many guys at DH as is (including Posada). I’d sooner keep Abreu and even Giambi next year. Teixeira and Sabathia have to be the targets. Simply having Manny out of Boston, maybe even out of the AL altogether, is big enough for me.
I’m sick of the Manny Circus and he doesn’t even play here. NO WAY.
“Damon
Jeter
Arod
Manny
Vlad
Tex”
Given that 4 of those players are slowing down as we speak…
Sleep for Pete is purely a hypothetical concept.
do you know how much that would cost timothy? there is no way we could sign tex, vlad, and manny next year, while signing a bigtime starting pitcher. tex is the only one of those guys we need to get in the offseason
Could you imagine if they signed Manny, Vlad, and Tex..offense would be settled for quite sometime…
I wouldn’t want him in Pinstripes. He still can hit, but he is looking like he is starting his decline. He is also a very strange guy, and would probably violate the hair regs.
we should have had vlad from the very get go years ago if cash had his way. instead daddy stein stepped in an got grouchy sheff—who was productive in his time in pinstripes…. but from an age standpoint. the clear solution would have been to sign vlad instead
Jon:
It’s a pipe dream…:)
Matt M:
We also could had Beltran…centerfield would have been settled..
Uhhh….NFW.
He is a cancer.
i thought the yankees were trying to end the days of paying over priced veterans for past performance.
i might stop watching and going to games if they sign manny. this can’t (and im sure won’t) happen
Manny and Vlad would cost more than their contracts would warrent. Both are starting the downward slide, as all players do.
There is no question that I would want the greatest right handed hitter on planet earth on my team. He is absolutely lethal and can lock in like no player I’ve ever seen.
Can you imagine him as our DH? He would go from kidding around in the dugout, walk up to the plate, smash a HR, and sit right back down. I would love it.
I doubt it will happen and I agree that we should continue trying to get younger, but if this guy will sign a 2 year contract or something of that nature with a team option for the 3rd year, I’d entertain it.
Manny as a DH would be pretty sick, hate him or not.
Obviously the distractions he creates are alarming.
SIGN HIM 1 YEAR AND A OPTION BAT HIM BEHIND AROD AND AROD WILL HAVE MONSTER SEASON
I would love to see him cut off his hair and get with the Yankee program just for the amusement of it all. I think about Johhny Daman and Sal Fasano and what they did to become Yanks. I mean, Johnny looks like a different person. Gosh, it would be a riot to see Manny cleaning himself up. It seems more likely he’d go to the Mets, though.
i voted no ! if someone votes yes they are insane . i would bring faster barry bonds than manny because bonds we all know his problems his sensitivaty and ego, but manny could wake up and decide he wants to pitch or brodcast the game bottom line you cant figure him out!
(Note: This poll is in no way affiliated with the Scott Boras Corporation.)
Where Ramirez is concerned there sure as heck is an affiliation w/ Boras. Can’t see Ramirez working here for a couple reasons:
1) He’s a pain in the arse and will likely require 3 years minimum.
2) Yankees already have at least 2 DH’s playing in the field everyday, plus an actual DH. Just how many defensively deficient DH-types does one team need???
3) Did I mention he’s a high octane pain in the arse?
Manny and Vlad maybe on the down side but they are both much better than Hideki and Bobby A.
i don’t care how productive manny can be. he’s a cancer to a clubhouse and a disgrace to the game.
I’m not sure, the idea is tempting. At the end of the year you would have to atleast consider it. I’m just not sure if the positives out weigh the many negatives.
I vote No to Manny
I’d sign him in a second…the guy hits better in yankee stadium than most yankees, hopefully that’d be the case at the new stadium too. as much as I’m a fan of The ‘Stache, I’d love to have Manny as the full time DH next year…plus, the guy’s clearly a Yankee fan…and how much would it piss of “the nation”?
Manny wouldn’t be like he is in NY, he loves NY and has always wanted to be a Yank..
If George Steinbrenner was his old self, the chances Manny would be in Pinstipes next year would be 99%.
Manny doesn’t like Youk, who does!!!
NO freakin’ way. Let him go somewhere else.
Wouldn’t the Sox hate facing him 18 times a year..
“Manny wouldn’t be like he is in NY, he loves NY and has always wanted to be a Yank..”
Um….he’d be exactly like he is in NY. A 12 year old in a 37 year old’s body.
Do I want Manny next year? Yes! Absolutely! Do I want him for the next four years for $100 mil? No. At what price is always the question for any player, but on a purely theoretical basis, of course I want Manny! Dude can hit!
If we signed him when Boston put him on waivers the Sox would still be trying to win a WS.
“Wouldn’t the Sox hate facing him 18 times a year..”
By the sound of things from the Boston clubhouse, they’d prefer facing him 18 times to the 162 they currently face him.
yes.
he’s the best right handed hitter in baseball over the past 15 years. he still is very imposing at the plate. as a DH, he would be fantastic.
manny batting behind arod? are you kidding me? of course. forget manny being a redsox – we took damon without any hesitation. we took boggs without any hesitation. i would take manny without any hesitation either b/c he will help our team big time.
Fredo Corleone:
Respect your opinion, but dis-agree he would be great in NY.
He would tell Boras he wants to play for the Yanks, we could get him for 2yrs with the 3rd yr option.
he has NEVER said he has “always” wanted to be a Yankee, Timothy.
he will have something to prove if the redsox let him go. if you can get him for the 2-3 years at $20-25 mil/year, then do it. but if he wants 5 or 6 years, forget it.
What the heck is wrong with you people? I’m not saying pay the guy $25M a year. But if you can get him for a discount, and a contract filled with incentives, I would do the deal in a hot second.
Have you guys watched how well he hits the ball? Can you imagine Arod and Manny back-to-back in the lineup? It could be as good or even better than Ortiz/Manny.
Yes, I agree he’s been crazy. The thing with the traveling secretary was uncalled for and he should have been suspended. But Boston also hasn’t treated him well the last few years. I’m sure he feels he’s never gotten the credit he deserves after being up there for so many years.
Manny wouldn’t be like he is in NY, he loves NY and has always wanted to be a Yank..
Who told you that lie ? Manny always hated the Yankees, he was a BlueJays fan growing up he’s never liked the Yankees. Maybe NY for the women and discotecas but not the Yankees.
No and he won’t be considered.
He will be “considered” like Bonds was considered. His name will be brought up, a resounding “no” will take place, and they will move on.
“2) Yankees already have at least 2 DH’s playing in the field everyday, plus an actual DH. Just how many defensively deficient DH-types does one team need???”
Who are the two DH’s playing the field? I can only think of one and if they get Manny he’s a goner. Damon can still run them down in the outfield. Jeter’s having his best defensive season in a long time. Posada should be able to catch after the surgery if he gets it in early August.
I’m having a real hard time identifying who the other DH’s would be next year.
First off, Brandon is right. He’s always hated the Yankees.
Second, he isn’t getting any “discounts”.
Name the last Scott Boras client, not named Jeff Weaver, who signed anywhere for a discount.
While we are at it, name the last player who signed with the Yankees for a “discount”.
He isn’t even as good a hitter as he once was. He’s on the downside of his career.
Its not even a consideration at this point. Boras will use the Yankees “interest” to jack up the price elsewhere and someone will end up signing him and joining the circus.
Fortunately, that team won’t be the Yankees.
There is a world of difference between Damon/ Boggs and Manny.
There are a few players I would never want to see in Pinstipes… Papelbon, Youkilis and Manny head that list.
Omar is going to be all over him once he walks. Think about it. Manny is an aging player with NY roots. Sounds like the perfect Mets outfielder to me.
P.S.
Nady may not have a hit yet, but he made a really good throw home last night and it made me realize that when he, Melky, and Abreu play we actually have three legit arms in the outfield. I can’t remember the last time that happened and you want to go and ruin it all by putting Manny out there.
What Team does everyone want to play for NY and not in “flushing” he was hoping Stien was going to claim him off waivers but we didn’t. We should have!!!
This is a great topic of discussion. I love it.
What if they place him on waivers and the Yankees pick him up! Oh snap! That would make Boston fans CRINGE!
Won’t happen, but it’d be hilarious for the sake of the reaction.
A resounding NO. His antics in Boston were tolerated because he was at his peak and enough of a force to make it worth the trouble. Now that his skills appear to be declining, it’s a bad move especially because he is going to want more than one year.
Bye Bye Manny. Enjoy playing your remaining years in Kansas City or Cincinnati.
I’d rather the Yanks just resign Abreu
This question is worth discussing but not worth considering for an option the Yankee’s. Manny may have seen his best years with the Sox and bringing him to the Yankees in my opinion now would be a mistake. He is a very good hitter and still has shown that as recently as last night against the Yankees. However, Manny as Pete pointed out is turning 37 and with our lineup it would be hard to put others like Damon, Matsui, and Posada in if he is either the full time DH or outfielder.
Is that a fair interpretation?
Brandon:
In your title RISP still a problem, it wouldn’t be with Manny.
Yes yes yes in a million terms yes. We have had so many drug addicts, jiuce users, drunks, and general bearded closet cases on this team for so long, why would not we want a masher, a dude who crushes the ball? Like we have any moral higher ground with all the phonies we have had on this team? Sign him NOW he will torture the sox, mash at the new stadium, and in general be the clutch hitter we do not have now, I say do it
“But Boston also hasn’t treated him well the last few years. I’m sure he feels he’s never gotten the credit he deserves after being up there for so many years.”
You’re kidding, right????
All those checks the Boston Red Sox put into his account cleared, right???? Until this week, they’ve chronically looked the other way despite his petulent, child-like actions and in fact have enabled him. He has been treated remarkably well up there and he’s still whining. Yankees don’t need that, and if they take him on, they will get it.
Guys, I’m trusting Brandon on this one. If Brandon says Manny = no, then Manny = no.
P.S.
Nady may not have a hit yet, but he made a really good throw home last night and it made me realize that when he, Melky, and Abreu play we actually have three legit arms in the outfield. I can’t remember the last time that happened and you want to go and ruin it all by putting Manny out there.
That fool better start hitting, every time I look at his face I continue to say we traded Tabata for you. He better hit. As for the Manny thing I see him ending up in Philly.
Manny in LF, X in RF, Melky CF,
Damon DH
Abreu gone
You also have Hideki, who by the way is on his down side, Manny is an upgrade to him for sure…
Brandon, Nady is still new to the AL so hopefully tonight he will get a hit.
I am of the feeling that it may take Nady a while to warm up. Remember he has been in the National League his entire career, has rarely seen the pitchers and the STadium is not exactly a great ball park for righties.
I hope I am wrong.
I would not want Manny on the Yankees. He just would not fit in with the team and the way they do things. He lacks character and doesnt respect the game.
Baseball skills wise, i would love to see a Manny type in the Yankee lineup as the DH. He would mash with A-Rod protecting him. And I give him credit as one of the hardest workers at his craft. He hits more than anyone else.
It is just the sideshow and Manny being Manny stuff that would turn me off from him being a Yankee. However if it was in his contract that he has to keep his hair short (like his style in Cleveland) and he would show up and not act like a goofball, I would welcome him to the team. I’ld rather see him hit HR’s for the Yankees then against them.
Absolutely not. This guy simply doesn’t play the game the right way. Yes, he can hit. But he doesn’t even appear to attempt running out routine ground balls. I’m sorry, NO NO NO MANNY.
And at the risk of sounding like a pretentious traditionalist, he certainly doesn’t fit in with the “Yankee Way”, which I believe should still exist.
Manny doesn’t have to sit, he hits both Lefties and Righties it doesn’t matter..
Brandon,
8 AB’s, relax. Tabata couldn’t hit .250 in AA. There really is no comparison.
I know you love Tabata but, you are better off hoping he gets his act together instead of getting in Nady’s grill.
Tabata created his own departure. Nady had nothing to do with it.
I rather have Damon and Matsui in the OF than Manny. and he said he wants a glod glove this year? please…
I’m curious if the people saying no to Manny are the same people pining for Barry Bonds in pinstripes this year and what your rationale is.
At least there’s no questioning Manny’s ability.
Brandon,
Get over Tabata. He’s in Single A and has been a disciplinary issue. If we want him that bad, we can sign him someday when he’s an FA.
We just filled two gaping needs with Nady and Marte and both of them are not rentals. Marte should help out considerably and make an already solid bullpen that much better.
People got to stop overvaluing these guys.
On second thought … there’s one condition under which I’d say to put Manny in pinstripes:
Lets say the Sox release him. Pick him up for the same price we picked up Sexson and Ponson – the prorated league minimum. Immediately pick up his option and trade him then somewhere else in the off season. In the meantime we could release Giambi, and the net value would be a virtual wash.
It would annoy Sox Nation to no end to see him come back and beat their butts, but that’s assuming he’ll put forth the honest effort when he plays. Whether he did or not, it would take something to get him to waive his no-trade clause but that might be worth it. Still, it might be about the same as Giambi’s contract buyout clause already is, so it could still be a wash.
In the end, we would get him for the rest of the season for nothing, the Sox would essentially be paying him to beat them, and would also ensure that would be that he wouldn’t go back to Boston next year.
I assume, however, that Theo Epstein is smart enough not to let this happen so he won’t flat-out release Manny. I assume he’ll pick up the options and trade him like NY did with Sheffield. OK he may do pick up the options soon to motivate Manny this season, then trade him in the off season. Same net result if he does it all after the season.
I also assume Cashman is smart enough not to actually trade for Manny. There are better ways to spend the $$ if he becomes a FA. If he does become a FA he most likely won’t be going back to Boston, so I don’t think there’s any pressure to sign him in order to keep him out of Boston. Again, there are other ways that kind of $$ can help the Yanks. Like, keeping CC Sabathia out of Boston.
Let the Giants pick Manny up. They’re missing a big $$ high-profile bopper that puts more arses in the seats.
Oooops, correction, he’s in AA so says SJ44, so I assume that’s accurate.
Please lets not start this character thing again.
He would do good in Ny, that’s all I’m saying. He’s 10 times better than some of the guys we have now.
Tell you weren’t glad when he didn’t play against Joba.
The Yankee Way?? Yse steroids, choke with men on base, drink, carouse till all hours of the night? PUHLEESE Manny is a GREAT hitter, he would mash for the Yanks, do you prefer the corpse of the statue we have at shortstop, or the purple lipped blonde highlited politician who cannot hit in the clutch? Sign him today, not this Bozo Nady who is another Craig Wilson, when will we ever learn?
Timothy,
There is no way in hell Manny would play in the OF regularly.
We’d DH him and put Johnny in LF if anything.
I can think of 3 players who signed for discounts:
David Wells 2nd Stint with Yanks not sure of contract but had to be cheep, Bernie Williams last year in 2006( something like 1.5 mil) and Mike Mussina prior to resigning 2 yrs 22 mil
SJ44
July 28th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
First off, Brandon is right. He’s always hated the Yankees.
Second, he isn’t getting any “discountsâ€.
Name the last Scott Boras client, not named Jeff Weaver, who signed anywhere for a discount.
While we are at it, name the last player who signed with the Yankees for a “discountâ€.
He isn’t even as good a hitter as he once was. He’s on the downside of his career.
Its not even a consideration at this point. Boras will use the Yankees “interest†to jack up the price elsewhere and someone will end up signing him and joining the circus.
Fortunately, that team won’t be the Yankees.
Brandon: Nady has a 12 day old son, in addition to coming over to the AL.
Give him a little time.
If he’s not got a hit, by, say, August 10th, then go crazy.
if the point is to win games, having Manny in the lineup helps you do that. period.
now, if you want to argue there is no room for a player like him on the roster, thats another issue.
he couldnt play LF, and we have Matsui DH’ing next year currently.
If Cashman could move Matsui to the West Coast, Id sign Manny to show up at the ballpark, smash baseballs, and go home.
but if youve got Damon and Matsui both under contract for 2009, doesnt make sense.
“Manny in LF, X in RF, Melky CF,
Damon DH
Abreu gone
”
Why would Damon DH, he is a far superior fielder to Manny. Next year it will be more like:
Damon in LF, Melky in CF, Nady in RF, Matsui DH
I could also see them trading Matsui and resigning GIambi to play DH.
Giuseppe,
You are a clown, so your name is fitting. You just trashed Jeter in favor of Manny Ramirez?
Why don’t you move to Boston and hum on Ortiz’s nuts, you know you want to.
Manny will be a met. Perfect fit. He’ll be back in his hometown, new york, playing for a team that does not mind aging players, with lots of hispanics, and he’ll be reunited with his good friend Pedro.
Absolutely not Peter, the reason why Brian Cashman is being hailed as a genius today is because he is going back to the youth process as the yankees have been able to stockpile a good amount of young talent that are considerably cheap and they have more control over their contracts. This gives the yankees a lot of flexibility and the addition of Manny will only add another old DH to the already long list.
I vote NO
Funny the Yankee Image comes up for Manny, but everyone wanted to keep Tabata. It amusing..
basically anyone saying yes to this question is not a real yankees fan. manny would be a disgrace to this organization. get yours head on straight
No. Not a prototypical Yankees player who will put the team first.
“Lets say the Sox release him.”
This obviously won’t happen. They’ll likely keep him thru ‘08, not pick up his option, offer him arbitration, which Boras will refuse and get the 2 draft pix for him.
But since all that ain’t gonna happen, I’ll just stick with ‘no freakin way’.
Giuseppe Bozo:
Please don’t trash the Captain…We all love Jeter case closed.
Pinstripes, the best thing Captain jetes could ever do is move to third or move to center, and hopefully soon come out of the closet, and become a god and hero to the entire world for showing such courage
Jon,
Perhaps he needs a change of scenery?
I am on the fence with this. Have hated but respected Manny’s bat for years. You have to at least entertain it. It definitely goes against Cashman’s new ideology, but you at least have to look at it as an option.
It probably won’t happen and that is fine with me, especially if he is NOT on Boston anymore.
Jon:
Put the pipe down, I’m a die-hard Yankee fan, Manny could help us for sure.
can we never have the jeter in center discussion again please for the love of god
Funny the Yankee Image comes up for Manny, but everyone wanted to keep Tabata. It amusing..
Manny is 35 years old, is not going to play the OF full time, we have Georgy who most likely will end up a DH or 1B, Damon who most likely ends up DH, should I continue to state why it’s not a fit ? And using Tabata in this arguement is weak and unrelated.
Giuseppe,
That’s a little bit better
I agree that a change of position is in the near future for the Captain, but I’ll be damned if I’ll tolerate anyone talking smack about him. He won’t be moving to third…CF should be locked up by Jackson someday in the next couple years…so where? Tricky.
“We also could had Beltran…centerfield would have been settled..”
Pshh, Beltran
Manny and Barry are both players that would do us some good, but I agree, would be tough to see wearing the pinstripes….some things just AINT RIGHT !
Don’t you think we need to be “pursuing”, or at least pretending to pursue, another starting pitcher other than Washburn. When it appears that it’s either Washburn or no one, every bad Ponson/Rasner start is more leverage for the M’s. If we start going for someone else, I think the M’s will have to blink for fear of being stuck with Washburn.
are we all forgetting the fact that manny pushed a 65 year old man to the ground because he couldnt get him 2 dozen tickets an hour before the game started? this is the guy you want on your team? a sheffield head case times ten. mannys production is no excuse for taking on this clown
CUYanks …agreed
36 yr. old soon to be 37 *
I could see Jeter at 1st.
“mannys production is no excuse for taking on this clown”
unless you want to win games.
Forgot all about Matsui. Out of sight, out of mind I guess. So there would be a DH logjam for true if Manny were signed.
This is a silly question since Manny would never sign here. If you think he’s going to cut his hair and clean up his image for NY, you’re nuts.
Manny wants to go to a team like Arizona or the Angels or something. Get a 25 thousand square foot mansion in AZ and sit by the pool all day. That’s what he’s thinking.
Omar wil be panting after him, but I doubt he wants to deal with being a Met, especially if they don’t re-sign Pedro.
What’s funny is SJ had it right. I’m sure the mere idea of signing Manny would be the same way the idea of signing of Bonds was met.
CU: I have a feeling Cashman is doing it, and we’re just not hearing about it.
Can we please give X-man a few games? Lets try a week, then feed to the fish.
That being said, he does seem a little lackadaisical in the camara shots so far.
Comparing two guys (Bernie and Moose) who had played for years with the Yankees with Manny’s situation is ridiculous.
Bernie was not going to be a fulltime player when he signed his last deal. Moose had no interest in going anywhere else.
Manny is looking for a new, big money deal. Do you really think he is taking a discount to sign with the Yankees? Its not going to happen.
The Yankees also have no interest in making a multi-year committment to Manny. There is no match.
there are a number of guys who can produce like manny that aren’t idiots and disgraceful human beings. theres a reason we havent signed bonds and its the same reason we wont take manny. sign teixera and get the same production without the crazy
I love all of this “downside” stuff. He may not be as awesome as he once was, but that is because he was super-awesome! MANNY STILL RAKES!
Manny is currently 16th in MLB in OPS. The only Yankee ahead of him is Arod. I would take him in a minute to DH. Even for a 3 year deal.
And “chemistry” is way overrated. I guess Manny being a clubhouse cancer didn’t matter the two years they won the Series?
Sometime I wonder if some of you even want the Yankees to win?
Brandon:
Using Tabata is totally related, you just don’t like the analogy.
Yeah I’m sure Cash still isn’t sitting around, but perception is reality (somewhat), and I’m seeing far too many “Cashman doesn’t seem optimistic that he will acquire a pitcher” articles.
Timothy… making alot of broad statements there. Many said no to Bonds and many here felt that Tabata’s days were numbered given the problems he was having this year.
There is a big difference between bringing up someone who has some behavior issues, working with them to try to get them straightened out, mentoring them, and so on, as opposed to taking on a nutjob like Manny. There is a big age difference as well to consider.
I didn’t want Bonds. I don’t want Manny.
G. Love:
I can see him in Cali, for the Halo’s..I think Vlad is gonna leave..he will DH for them…actually he is a good fit for them.
I think many here worry way too much about how 1 guy will affect a clubhouse. Some of you sound like the other 24 guys in there are 6 year olds who need bus monitors instead of adult professionals who run million/mutimillion dollar businesses.
For all the moaning about how Ponson was a mistake because he would be a problem in the clubhouse, he seems to have bigger problems on the field than in the clubhouse.
Keep in mind Nady’s first game was mostly against a knuckleballer. There are no knuckleballers in the NL and only a couple in the AL so I don’t think it’s that meaningful.
Cashman knows what he is doing with the Washburn stuff. Just because he doesn’t give daily press briefings doesn’t mean he isn’t in the loop to what’s going on.
There is nothing he can do with Seattle at this point. The Yankees have made it clear what they will do in order to get the deal done. Seattle, at least right now, has balked.
You just wait it out and see what happens.
If the Seattle GM can’t move Washburn, I’d love to be a fly on the wall when he explains to ownership how he had an opportunity to get 14 million off the payroll and he passed because he got greedy.
Those are the kind of moves that get interim GM’s (which he is) fired.
Vladdy maybe Manny no. 37 and he will want a 5 year deal at 20 mil a season no thanks. Vladdy is a few years younger and might settle for a 3 year deal.
Manny for the right price and contract…I would have to think about it. How could you not?? My defense; The man can flat out rake still. Manny in decline is still better than most players in the prime. We have dealt with “clowns” before from Sheffield to Wells to Mr. October himself. The bottom line is those guys produced, and as much as Boston wants to complain about Manny’s attitude etc. They don’t win without him. I would rather deal with a headache that produces than a saint hitting .216. Manny is a hall of famer (like him or not) and for the right deal I would consider it. Now if he wants 5 years and $20+mill per (which Boras could go after), we don’t even need to say boo.
Nady had a rough intro to the AL. Dealing with a knucklballer on his first day and a very good left hander on his second. I think he will be fine (he better be), hopefully Baltimore will show him some love. My 2 cents.
SJ
The length of the contract Boras would be looking for would be my negative on the deal. DO you think a 6/$100 is the neighborhood Boras would be starting at?
Wow, if batting .302 with a .400 obp .531 slugging% and 22 doubles, 19 hr and 65 rbi’s is slowing down, then jeter and abreu must be more than slowing down, they must be dead.
You’re just being homers if you say no to this guy’s bat. He is hands down one of the deadliest hitters in the league, and has been for years. He absolutely KILLS the yankees pitching.. *IF* he would clean himself up, drop a little weight, take the DH role, and drop down a bit in salary for 3 years I’d take him in a heartbeat. I absolutely dispise the redsox, BUT this guy can hit. He won’t be so beat up if he takes the DH role which will be open next year.
When he wants to prove a point, he is fantastic, yesterday’s 2 doubles and 2 shots that were a few feet from being a HR proves he can flat out play even with the controversies.
I like A-rod, but he is definately not Mr. Clutch hitting..
Does anyone else think Marte kinda struck out Ortiz by quick-pitching him?
Brandon:
Using Tabata is totally related, you just don’t like the analogy.
In Tabata’s case he’s 19 yrs. old and we sold low, in Manny’s case he’s in his declining years looking for big money, you need pitching, fielding and offense to win games and Manny only provides 1/3 of that. Manny never and I mean never has wanted to play for the Yankees. Manny will never change what he does it’s what he does. He won’t cut his hair, he won’t quit thinking the world is his, this will not work out in NY. He’s sensitive to media and would be a brat here. Think Shockey to the 80th power.
For $13 I’ll be a Macadamia Nut:
Respect your thoughts on this, but why the “image” comes up for Manny, Barry I understand (don’t agree) but never the less understand. Manny wouldn’t be the problem he is in NY that he is for Boston.
What perception is there? One hour before the Nady deal was announced, Cashman said he had “nothing” going.
When was the last time Cashman announced a deal, or even talked about a deal, prior to its completion.
The “perception” is quite clear. The Yankees made a decision to go for it and acquired the two hottest names (at least involving the weaknesses on the team) on the market. Plus, he did it without giving up a single player on the 25 man roster.
He’s not going to make a deal that is detrimental to the Yankees.
Not just no, but NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
No.
Manny is too old for the team…
We already have five outfielders(Damon, Nady, Abreu, Matsui, Cabrera) and 4 part-time DH(Damon, Matsui, Giambi, maybe Posada next year)…
There is only ONE DH and THREE outfielders in the game, (although some of them won’t be Pinstripes next year, yes, I’m talking about you, Big G…)
how much will you spend for another 37-year-old guy???
I bet Cashman has his cell phone to his ear 24 hours a day right now.
I think maybe Manny acts the way he does because he hates Boston and wants to come home. He acted differently in Cleveland and this Manny being Manny has been getting progressively worse maybe he sees the end and wants to get it over with already. Manny gets along with alot of the Yanks especially A-rod. A-rod and Manny being bestest buddies would likely mean success for the Yanks. Unless the Yanks put a package together for Holliday Manny should be discussed.
I’ll take 9 mediocre players that I respect and admire over 9 great players that I detest and am troubled by. I’m sure I’m in the minority, but for me sports isn’t about just winning. No player is a saint, but I like for my kids to be able to watch an interview with an athlete without holding my breath. I know Manny generally plays his heart out between the lines, but for a few million dollars, a little civility in front of the camera doesn’t seem like too much to ask.
Dear Chris Russo-Tabata was not “nothing”. Calm down
“Does anyone else think Marte kinda struck out Ortiz by quick-pitching him?”
The techincal term is a balk. He never stopped.
Didn’t get called for it though, and that makes it okay.(:
SJ,
On Washburn I agree. Its a salary dump. We don’t need to bend over backwards to please Seattle for doing them a favor.
I’m not a Ramirez fan by any means. I think he’s a dullard, who’d be sweeping floors if he couldn’t swing a bat with reckless abandon.
That being said, his hard-hitting right handed bat would be a phenomenal fit in the middle of the Yankees lineup.
Manny’s a distraction, maybe. But he was an integral part of two World Series for the Red Sox. Couldn’t have been that bad.
I argue that without him, they aren’t hoisting one of those trophies.
His bat is exactly what the offense needs. Is he slipping? Probably? But that’s like saying Chalize Theron isn’t as hot as she used to be.
He is still an elite hitter. His OPS is about .930, he’s still hitting above .300 and provides more than enough power.
Arguing this, though is a moot point.
There’s no way that Ramirez will be signed by the Yankees in the offseason because the team won’t and shouldn’t meet his demands of another multi-year contract at about $20 million plus.
But if there was a way to get him this year or for only next year and stick him in the lineup, yes, I’d most assuredly take that gamble.
Know why the Red Sox are so reticent to trade him? Because there is no way you can get equal value for him. Because, despite of all of his problems, he, not Ortiz, not Drew, is their best hitter.
There’s only a handful of players in baseball that you can compare to Ramirez as a hitter – Pujols, Berkman, A-Rod would be on that list.
If the Red Sox were to trade Ramirez this season, in my mind they are giving up the World Series this year.
Maddog going off on the Pirates deal.. haha
“4 minor leaguers people have never heard of”
haha this show gets better and better by the day
It was a great deal and it makes me happy this idiot is so ticked off
Pat,
Manny has been telling friends that Boras believes he can get him another 100 million in the marketplace.
Can he do it? No idea.
Manny didn’t switch agents to get a small deal in his next contract.
All of his antics aside, the tipoff to the Sox that Manny meant “business” is when he signed with Boras. That told the Red Sox, picking up Manny’s options weren’t what he was looking for in his next deal.
Manny wants a deal pretty darn close to 100 mil. The Yankees aren’t going there with him.
Their 100 million dollar+ offer in the off-season will go to CC Sabathia, not Manny or Tex.
Barber- Giambino and Abreu are FA’s after this year and once Posada gets his surgery he will be able to throw next year. You must understand that his arm currently is like a wet noodle he has no power behind it, he even admitted it.
If I’m right, Giambi makes more than Jeter and Manny? hmmmmmmmm
Fredo,
Right. I am just surprised none of the commentators even mentioned it, or did they? It was pretty blatant.
Not worth the clubhouse issues.
Russo= cokehead with 0 baseball knowledge, Fatcessa= lardo who thinks he has baseball knowledge.
Manny is not going to get 5 yrs @ 20 mill per…thats a joke.
I say 4 yrs @ 15 per, with a 1 yr team option for 18 mill and a 4 mill buy out.
And that is being very very generous.
I do believ Manny will not be in the AL east after this off season, but very tempting IMO?
I’m all for throwing money at CC instead, Tex would be a good pick-up if he can be gotten, but I think he will move before the dead-line.
I was a Manny hater all of his career but you cannot ignore that bat he has. I say YES!!!
Timothy, its not only the image thing. Manny does some really boneheaded thing on the field of play. He disappears at times when he is needed.
Bonds is an entirely different matter. No one wants to continue an association with him and the steroid issue. Every single game he plays in the steroid thing would be brought up. MLB is trying to move away from that issue. Teams are as well. Having the poster boy for Roids on your roster just taints the whole group, fairly or not.
Manny has also shown himself to be violent now. That is a big concern, a larger concern than his leaving the field to take a leak in the Green Monster, or crawling and rolling on the ground after a ball, or not playing because he claims his knee hurts. When you go after a mid 60’s aged man, there is a big problem. I think the two physical issues from this year are the larger reason why the RS don’t want him back.
Sorry Manny will not be in AL east after this off season…
Either way I can’t wait until the redsox lose Manny. He absolutely killed us and is by far their best hitter. Redsox will be hugging the nuts of Baltimore without him, I bet Theo eats his words after season end and signs and keeps him anyway, because without him they are a much worse team.
Russo is killing the Pirates GM
“a hapless franchise. How can you trade ‘Demarsio’ Marte the best lefty in the sport for 4 nobodys?!!”
“that franchise should cease to exists. they are a disgrace to the sport. Huntington doesn’t know what he’s doing”
Anyone else have to throw up after watching the NESPN broadcast last night. I cannot believe that this bias is not commented on or addressed. I wish I could have 5 minutes on the air with Gammons or Phillips.
“Fredo,
Right. I am just surprised none of the commentators even mentioned it, or did they? It was pretty blatant.”
It was mentioned by McCarver, but not really pushed.
For $13 I’ll be a Macadamia Nut:
If it’s not only the “image Thing” leave that out it’s a bad argument. Many have tarnished the so called “Yankee Image”
Manny grew up a Blue Jays fan in Wash Heights? How did that happen?
god no.
i’ll usually covet anyone’s who is good. for example, i’d take Barroid Bonds in a heartbeat. But not Manny. Manny’s just too much of a dog. Sitting out the other night is a cardinal baseball sin in my boik.
Even though all this Manny, Vlad talk is fun. The Yanks should hold their piggy bank for CC give him whatever he wants. Joba, CC and Wang at the front end is too good to pass up.
The bottom line is that he kills the ball at the stadium, and I would love to have his care-free attitude. Maybe A-Rod could learn how to calm the hell down in the clutch.
It doesn’t matter how hard he hits the ball, it always finds a glove when it matters, like last night with the bases loaded, and no outs, you just had to KNOW he was going to get out.
Manny could be great for the Yanks, he is a 2-time champ, more than anyone (I’m saying this off the top of my head, without actually researching it) on the team not named Derek, Andy, Jorge, or Mariano
I doubt that a trade for Teixeira will result in an extention for him. He will still see FA, so I wouldn’t count him out. His deal is a lot different than the Santana saga was. During the season, a couple of months from FA, he will become available. The team that trades for him will be fine getting the draft picks over the players they give up for him. Especially if they are in the hunt for the Post Season.
Manny grew up a Blue Jays fan in Wash Heights? How did that happen?
the Jays had latino players
“god no.
i’ll usually covet anyone’s who is good. for example, i’d take Barroid Bonds in a heartbeat. But not Manny. Manny’s just too much of a dog. Sitting out the other night is a cardinal baseball sin in my boik.”
Yeah because Barry Bonds is a class act who always plays hurt and takes one for the team.
For $13 I’ll be a Macadamia Nut:
I agree unless the Halo’s get Tex, they will sign him..
SJ44,
I know there is not a match but you seemed to think there we no other players to bring up and I found three. So whatever.
It’s tempting–Manny would have to wear a uniform that fits and cut his gross hair. Can you even imagine what a clean-cut Manny would look like?
But no. No thank you.
Timothy. go get a hobby and MOVE ON.
Manny is a boneheaded bastard. He’s a disgrace to the game and has a terrible attitude.
He was like that with the Indians, too.
…he looked up to. (sorry eating lunch)
If anyone feels bad about Cashman’s negotiating skills, look at what Ned Colletti gave up for Casey Blake. Casey Blake.
Ouch. No wonder Alex seems more focused on the game.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1038955/Have-age-stress-launched-shocking-attack-Madonnas-face.html
“Manny is not going to get 5 yrs @ 20 mill per…thats a joke.”
Boras won’t be laughing when that’s what he asks for.
Manny is a boneheaded bastard. He’s a disgrace to the game and has a terrible attitude.
Hey chill w/ the disgrace and basterd references
“Timothy Clougher
July 28th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
For $13 I’ll be a Macadamia Nut:
If it’s not only the “image Thing†leave that out it’s a bad argument. Many have tarnished the so called “Yankee Image—
Its all part of the whole package you get with Manny. The RS lose a bit because of their putting up with the crap that he hands out. That is an image issue. If it were only the image issue, then it wouldn’t be enough to keep him out of the Bronx. Add to the image issue all the other stuff and it becomes obvious that Manny is not a good fit with the club.
Let someone else deal with his problems.
No, I can’t stand the guy. He may be a good player, but needs to kill the ego!
Only if he’s traded this season (so someone other then the Red Sox gets our pick for him) AND he’d sign for 2 years or less at BELOW market value AND cut his damn hair.
Manny is only great because he’s protected by Ortiz (when they put manny at third in the order.) A-rod would not provide protection for manny because Abreu would be batting third. Abreu=better OBP= better than manny (even though he sucks at D, and PO me. Manny doesn’t hustle (did u see abreu’s double in the first inning last night) so should not be placed anywhere in the OF, but he would not want to be a DH only. he marches to his own tune. Plus he’d ruin the new stadium’s grass be urinating on it in between inings. (He peed on the green monster during the middle on an inning once.)
“Manny is a boneheaded bastard. He’s a disgrace to the game and has a terrible attitude.”
and he’s probably the best pure RH batter ive seen play the game.
Manny would make A-Rod that much better. You’d have to consider it. at worst hes 285-30-110, at best 320-40-130.
I’m sitting in the upper deck alone tonight (near 3rd base). I have an extra ticket if anyone is interested.
Teixeira isn’t going to sign with any club during the season. He might not pick the highest pay either. He might take a slight discount to go to a team that is closer to home, or that would be a more likely contender for the WS during his contract.
I’d give him 3 years $50 mil!
I know most will say that is crazy, but, whether you want to admit it or not, he is a hall of famer, a beast, and a soon-to-be sox killer. can you imagine what he will do to the sox?
Russo: “I am livid at the Pirates” haha
This is great radio
there are some things that, despite them flying in the face of all common sense, absolutely need to happen in this world. the spectacle of a pinstriped Manny Ramirez is one of them.
he wouldn’t be my first priority but, after we take care of first base and adding another front-line starter, I would be more than happy to have him full-time DH for two or three seasons.
I realize there’s some folks here who want to use the DH and 1B spots as an infirmary of sorts for aging Yankee veterans. I’m not one of those.
For $13 I’ll be a Macadamia Nut:
Tex isn’t gonna take a discount, check his agent..
George you realize Manny was amazing before Ortiz was on the Sox don’t you? Manny’s numbers have nothing to do with Ortiz.
Mike and the Dog are dopes. Just because they are ignorant fools they think everyone else is?
ASH
You are right 5 @ 20mil per is a joke…and I don’t even pretend to know or care if its 4,5,6 years at whatever rate. If its longer than a 1 year with an option it’s not right for the yankees. Which is why he won’t end up in NY (yankees) IMO.
Russo already admitting he was wrong about Joba’s move to the rotation.
I know I will get heat for this but:
I would rather have Sorianno than A-rod…If we could turn the clock back..
I must admit, I laughed at the Sideshow Bob picture.
No, I’ll keep my picks and not help the red sox get more young talent to beat us in the long run.
Why is don vito still on this board after bleating and caterwauling all last year and guaranteeing me the Yanks would win it all? Does this site have any credibility at all, or is Don Vito an outlier as a blowheart and braggart?
“I would rather have Sorianno than A-rod…If we could turn the clock back..”
…
I would rather have Sorianno than A-rod…If we could turn the clock back..
LOL no you wouldn’t.
The good thing about Manny is that, even though he is on the Red Sox, he hates the Red Sox/Boston. So, even though people knock him for his “ego” and hate him b/c he kills us, we all secretly smile inside for Manny because he has something in common with New Yorkers.
“I know I will get heat for this but:
I would rather have Sorianno than A-rod…If we could turn the clock back..”
i can’t even concentrate on this statement. the mispelling is too distracting. it’s like the mole in Austin Powers.
molehmolehmolehmoleh….
No.
Man, Russo is soo ticked off lol
I think Manny would be a great addition to the yankees. We should get him pronto tonto.
“I would rather have Sorianno than A-rod…If we could turn the clock back..”
Yeah… you are a moron.
Mariner Blog Guy seems to believe the M’s have some leverage in the Washburn thing:
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2008/07/ms_have_some_washburn_leverage.html
Timothy, I did say slight when I said discount.
The player is the one to sign and play with the club, not the agent. If the player wants to go to a certain club, its his call.
TO Al from BK
I like Posada, but he’s getting older, espcially he’s a catcher, he won’t catch all the season, but he can use his bat to help this team, so I said a “part-time” DH.
I know Giambi and Abreu are FA’s after this season, I think it’s better to sign Abreu rather than Manny (Though they are different positions, but we have Nady now)…
“Manny is only great because he’s protected by Ortiz (when they put manny at third in the order.)”
Manny Ramirez is a better hitter than Ortiz. If anything, it’s the other way around.
I’d rather have Alex but I wish he didn’t wear 13. I really do.
(yes, I am that superstitious)
Ok Soriano…
I would, he could play CF.
LOL Russo should get that Pirates GM on to yell at him. He is disgusted with that trade.
i swear i wish this was one decision the old boss would come out and make one last time.
i also think DHing him doesn’t really mess with the development of the team. again….i know….Jeter and Posada are going to get older….yadda yadda yadda. frankly, once they get to that point, they each would not perform offensively or defensively for what’s needed at DH or 1B. I honestly think you point them towards the broadcast booth. For Jeter, I don’t think that’s for a while. For Posada…..*gulp*……we hope it’s not for a while as well.
The Yankees will have to sign a young, power bat either this off-season or the next that can play a corner OF spot or 1B.
Austin Jackson probably will play CF and not until 2010 at the earliest. While there are no ripe prospects in the farm system who can play either in the forthcoming two years. Not unless you think Jesus Montero can 1B by 2010.
The Yankees can’t rely on Giambi anymore, not at 37, to contribute much more than as a spare player or DH.
And with three corner outfielders at 34 years of age or older (damon, matsui and abreu), the Yankees will need a replacement who can hit for power, if not for 2009 than for 2010.
Someone has to protect A-Rod in the lineup next year and in 2010. (Nady isn’t the guy; he probably is best suited to the 6 or 7 slot in a lineup.)
Accordingly, the Yankees should save their money and sign either one of the following two Boras clients, neither named Manolo Ramirez– Texeira or Holliday.
Teixiera is a free-agent this year, Holliday, the year following. Both are under 30. If you have to sign a player to a large, multi-year contract, best to do so for one who still hasn’t hit 30.
A-rod has no big hits in the clutch same as Soriano, we could have had more pitching…..
giuseppe bozo=nice name, ’nuff said.
Along with manny can we get some light skinned muscular female looking players? Jorge is gone and the steam room is such a lonely place now
“Ok Soriano…
I would, he could play CF.”
sorry. the joke was too much to resist.
i’ll put it to you this way…..i really wish we had kept the player Soriano was projected to be….
I don’t think the Mariners really have any leverage in this deal. If they do wait I don’t see the Yankees caring that much. Washburn isn’t a great pick up, and the Yankees have other options.
What I would love to see is the Yankees getting some other pitcher and the M’s left holding the bag.
….and not at the expense of A-Rod….
(forgot to add that in)
Is that pig named Don Vito A. Bellamo still here?
Blow Vito Blow, hot air windbag, hey did you knowmif not for the midges……..
yes Beck the hindenburg known as Don Vito still effluves his bloated fantasies on this erstwhile site.
“Washburn isn’t a great pick up, and the Yankees have other options.”
Washburn is not a great pickup. However, he’s probably better than the “other options” you refer to (especially if that option is Kennedy). Still, I’d wait ‘em out if I’m Cashman.
For $13 I’ll be a Macadamia Nut:
That would be great, leave the M’s stuck…
“And with three corner outfielders at 34 years of age or older (damon, matsui and abreu), the Yankees will need a replacement who can hit for power, if not for 2009 than for 2010.”
Abreu is walking after this season and Damon will get traded.
a lot of namecalling of posters going on here, which is pretty sad IMHO.
there’s two guys here who know their stuff and are on another level. that’s SJ and CB. the rest of us serious posters are no better than one another.
I may not think Zach Grienke is a future Hall of Famer, but i’m not going to discount everything someone has to say due to a couple of statements.
Jorge Steinbrenner:
You really thin A-rod is worth 28mill a year???
Sorry “think”
Options are continuing with Ponson (not likely), Kennedy, Hughes, Pavano, Aceves, Burnett (not likely)… There might be other trades that could open up unexpectedly as well.
I think the Yankees would be fine to take on a salary dump, but I also don’t think that Washburn is a burning desire for Cashman. If he has to give up anything from the farm the value of that deal is gone.
Troll – please get a job. Thanks!
Cano should be batting behind A-Rod. The Big G needs to move to 7th with Nady in front. Not only does this give Alex protection in the line-up but gives l/r flexibility from 1-9.
Chet
“You really thin A-rod is worth 28mill a year???”
where were you while he was on the DL?
how about all of last year?
he doesnt hit a home run in every clutch situation. ok we get it. doesnt mean hes not the best option.
Manny in pinstripes…. that’s a stitch! The dude can hit and he is far better defenisvely than casual fans realize, but this ain’t happening. Not unless he’s DFA and the Yanks grab him for the last month or so only and I can’t imagine that taking place.
I’m guessing Damon plays no LF this year, but they need him to play out there next year so they can have Nady in RF, Matsui DH and Tex at 1B.
Still seeking to upgrade the starting rotation…. and a # 2 catcher who can hit.
For a short deal, like 3 years, it’d be acceptable, but I wouldn’t want to be paying a 40 year old $18MM. Then again, if Posada, Damon, and Matsui are all out in the field so Manny can DH, it’d be pretty ugly
“You really thin A-rod is worth 28mill a year???”
In terms of contribution to the team, no player in baseball at this juncture is worth that much money. HOWEVER, when you factor in the homerun race down the road and having his name up top with the other great homerun hitters (including his induction into the HOF) the publicity and Yankee Legacy does factor into that. You can’t put a price on that.
M’s do have some leverage… they know we are desperate. They don’t HAVE to trade him. He only has 1.5 years left on his contract. In the off-season, he will have even more value as an expiring contract… and after Sheets/Sabathia, the best pitcher is Jon Garland who is comparable to Washburn. They could put him through waivers and probably get a team to give them a B prospect who needs pitching like the Phillies, Cardinals, Detroit etc.
That writer framed it very well… we are chasing 2 teams in the race and can’t afford to put Sidney out there anymore and every game he is out there, is a game to be lost in a highly contested pennant race.
Now that we’ve traded for Nady/Marte… we are going for it. No time for anymore experiments like Aceves/Kennedy. They can replace Rasner. But Ponson needs to be replaced by a proven starter. Cash needs to have a plan B.
A-rod has no big hits in the clutch same as Soriano, we could have had more pitching…..
Soriano has not stayed healthy is a bad fielder anywhere you put him, is a HR or a strike out guy… put it this this way that may have been the best trade in baseball.
dwight gooden was a coke head, who cares?. so was darryl, who cares? david justice beat up halle berry, who cares? giambi took steroids, who cares? pettitte took hgh and lied about it, who cares? clemens took steroids his whole career, who cares? david welles stayed fat and drank like a fish, who cares?
but all of the sudden, manny is being manny and everybody cares?
Ian: you not by yourself. I feel the same. Winning is not everything.
if manny cut his hair, i would be in favor. I think that would be a big enough committment in my book
The Nady/Marte deal is entirely separate from going after Washburn. They weren’t just brought in to finish this season. Neither would Washburn which could become problematic in putting the rotation for next season together.
Ponson isn’t great, but while he stunk it up last night, his other starts were good enough. That isn’t saying the Yankees want to stick with that hope that he keeps being lucky, but Washburn may stink it up AND cost a good deal of money for a back of the rotation starter.
2 Yankees 10 (+8) 2/23 The good: The Yanks’ recent win streak and subsequent revival in the standings prompted management to make a deal. And boy did they. Getting Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte for what the Yanks gave up might be the coup of the season.
The bad: The way the Yanks are playing now, this probably won’t scare anyone in the Bronx. But the league-leading Angels could put an immediate halt to the Yanks’ momentum.
Team: Home | Stats | Fantasy
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/powerRankings
by getting marte/nady, cashman is not simply “going for it”. Although the yankees clearly are at this point, it was a deal that will help us out a lot next year as well.
“but all of the sudden, manny is being manny and everybody cares?”
heres the problem,
all the things you listed didnt involve taking an intentional dive on the field.
manny being manny does.
Brandon:
What about the “Image”…
My Manny trade fantay has him going to the Metamucils for the last scraps in their pathetic excuse for a farm system.
The Blosux are emasculated without him in the lineup, the Muts completely surrender control to the inmates and crash and burn, and the “prospects” turn out to be updated versions of Alex Escobar and David West.
Please Omar, make it happen.
fred – my point is that if manny comes to the yanks and help the yankees win, like all those players i listed before, then nobody would care what he did in boston.
If I recall correctly, they passed on Manny the year they signed Mussina. Talk then was that Manny’s posse would have been unacceptable in the clubhouse.
He’s a great hitter, though. “Similar Batters” on the baseball reference site include Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio, Frank Robinson….wow.
Still, I say “no”.
I think a a kennedy/aceves experiemnt is fine by me. If the yankees can get the contract coverage type deal where we dont give away anything besides igawa types, but cover washburn’s contract, then i am all for it. but there is no reason to trade melky or gardner when kennedy or aceves will probably be close to washburn caliber.
yeh but my point is he may not help the yankees win. he could flip on a dime at any minute and decide to take a dive. thats the kind of person he has proven to be.
hes a great player but hes a headcase. if he wasnt he would be retiring in boston years from now.
No! The Yankees didn’t bite for Pedro when he wanted to bolt, they should pass on Manny as well.
We have our own distractions to deal with but the players are able to be managed. I don’t see Manny and all his “Manny being Manny” fitting in with the Yankees.
Plus, it sounded like David Ortiz is Manny’s babysitter and does his best to keep him in line and motivated.
Let Manny go in search of his $100 million contract ELSEWHERE and see what it gets him. He should be happy that Boston has put up with his shenanigans for this long.
We have like… 5 options to plug up the hole in the rotation:
Kennedy, Hughes, Wang, Milton, and Pavano.
Isn’t there a REAL good chance that 1 out of 5 will be back this season?
One out of FIVE!
Peter Rabbit , im really hoping for a legendary comeback from Pavano trying to salvage his chances at ever playing again.
followed by the Wang’er for the post.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Brandon:
What about the “Imageâ€â€¦
?
Switching gears from Manny…
This series against Baltimore is more important than a lot of people think IMO. The Yanks are coming off the biggest high of the season; winning 8 straight and taking 2 of 3 vs the Sox in Fenway. Its so important that the Yankees continue playing well and take 2 of 3 against Baltimore. If they lose 2 out of 3 or get swept its going to be awfully hard to bounce back in a four game set with the Angels.
“he bad: The way the Yanks are playing now, this probably won’t scare anyone in the Bronx. But the league-leading Angels could put an immediate halt to the Yanks’ momentum.”
I wonder. Everyone is saying the Yankees are winning with their pitching this year, not offense. The pitching is what has been lacking the last few years. Hopefully things will be different this time around with the Angels.
i don’t see any realistic way of getting him next year (he won’t be cheap OR short-term), but I had to vote option 3 – torment red-xos fans
Pavano is pitching in a rehab game tomorrow, there is no need for Washburn.
Sign him as the DH / occasional LF and bat him 3rd in front of A-Rod.
Let Manny come home to New York.
Fred, me too. I was really digging Pavano the last game he pitched before his injury.
Kennedy pitched a perfect game through 7 innings in AAA last week, he seems like a viable option. If he’s not ready after that performance when WILL he be?
What are the Yankees trying to straighten out about Kennedy? Is his attitude wrong?
John Donovan:
“I don’t care what you do you still need Bonds !”
Same sh.. different person
“You really thin A-rod is worth 28mill a year???â€
I have to think about whether even Jesus Christ is worth 28 million a year. you can only think about money relatively here and, yes, A-Rod is worth 26% more of what Jason Giambi makes, or whatever that number would wind up being. Sorry. Don’t have a calculator in front of me.
For those ready to label Manny Ramirez a serial rapist, I’d rather reserve that kind of scorn for actual rapists. I can deal with Manny being Manny….this is also for NEXT year, folks. I am, in no way, advocating for having him on the team this year…..as if there was any chance in hell of that happening. I think the Yankees would acquire Brett Favre this season before they dealt directly with the Red Sox on anything, especially Manny.
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Best RH hitter in the game…. YES!
Carl Pavano wants to get paid next season. I think that, regardless, he’ll somehow be on someone’s roster next year. A few showcase starts this year could mean the difference for him between a major league and minor league contract somewhere next year. I hate to say it, but the Rajah pitches in pinstripes before the end of the season, and would do better than Jarrod Washburn.
For those who don’t see Manny fitting in with the Yankees, A-Rod is a close friend of his.
Whether or not other players like A-Rod is another discussion.
Still, Manny isn’t exactly a stranger to that team or its players.
Between Manny switching to Boras and him NOT wanting the Red Sox to pick up the 2 year/40 million option….yea, there’s no way I’d give him nearly the kind of contract he’s gonna want as he continues to decline.
I think the Yankees will be watching Pavano’s pitching very closely. That may have the Yankees telling the M’s “no thanks” on Washburn.
brandon will say once again I want no part of Bonds and this is not from what he might be able to do for this team. I would rather lose than have him on my team (as a fan). I am no purist but I believe that he is just the wrong kind of guy for this team right n ow.
KitKat, what does that have to do with anything? A-Rod doesn’t disappear in the field like Manny has.
Timothy – you’re such an idiot. SORIANO INSTEAD OF AROD??? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING????
cut your losses now and just kill yourself.
Manny would be a good DH.And a clutch player.If we can get Ortiz we will get most of the popular of the 2004 Red sox players in pinstripes.
Don’t like them but that would drive Red Sox players insane.And ex-Red Sox players tend to play good in pinstripes.
I really want to say NO to Manny…BUT, it literally would kill boston and be the biggest slap in the face if he came here.
An interesting side question on dealing for Washburn. would you be willing to do: Kennedy, Cabrera, Horne/Marquez and Igawa for Washburn & Ichiro.
I would do a deal like that in a second. If it costs us any pitcher other then Hughes for Ichiro, I would do it in a second.
KitKat it’s not that, it’s the fact that signing him would be signing him in his decline years, Manny also is a person that marches to his own drum. Ex. picture a 1 PM game players having to be there at 11 AM, Manny is the type that won’t be at the park until 20 mins. before gametime, he’s a clubaholic, he also would be to close to his negative influences (friends) this is not a rosey situation we’re talking about here, at what expense do you add his bat for big bucks and risk the same crap happening to you ?
Pavano may very well be just about the unluckiest of people, but if he can still pitch after all these injuries, the Yankees have more than paid for him to pitch for them.
“An interesting side question on dealing for Washburn. would you be willing to do: Kennedy, Cabrera, Horne/Marquez and Igawa for Washburn & Ichiro.
I would do a deal like that in a second. If it costs us any pitcher other then Hughes for Ichiro, I would do it in a second.”
*bangs head against wall*
Ichiro is in his mid-30’s. How does this help the Yankees long-term, other than giving people another really cool jersey to own?
Huh? I’ve read that Manny is at the field on game day pretty much before anyone else to work out, do drills, take BP, etc.
Aside from his age of 36 (5/30/72) and declining numbers, clubhouse distraction, and penchant for taking time off, the Yankees are in a mode of decreasing payroll, not adding to it.
A resounding NO. Omar Minaya will take him with open arms. The Mets need to add a marquee name with CitiField opening next year. They can have the circus that goes with Manny Ramirez.
Can anybody see Manny sulking because Robby Cano won’t give up No. 24 ? Can anybody see Manny disgracing a number once worn by a classy Tino Martinez ?
I dont quite understand how fellow teammates of his can even come out in support of a player that has a history of quitting on them. And quitting on them for no other reason than to make some kind of point to management. It slays me.
Getting Washburn has nothing to do with Pavano. Pavano won’t be ready until Sept. 1 at the very earliest. If the Yanks traded for Washburn he’d be the 4th or 5th starter through August and September.
I think that Cash will pull the trigger on Washburn once the M’s come down in their demands. I also think that Kennedy will be in the rotation sooner rather than later. In my opinion Washburn/Kennedy is a lot better than Ponson/Rasner.
The M’s won’t deal Ichiro, so it doesn’t mean anything anyway.
Let’s sign Sideshow Bob–at least he can give us a little Gilbert & Sullivan if he’s in a slump.
If Hideki is healthy next year I’d rather have him than Manny, there is nothing wrong consistency. Has this 8-game streak made you all forget how Hideki carried the offense at the beginning of the year? He was top 3 in the league in batting before he got hurt.
Mariners ownership should fire the interim GM for thinking about shipping Ichiro out for B-listers for a split second.
(regarding that baseless, hypothetical trade suggestion)
Huh? I’ve read that Manny is at the field on game day pretty much before anyone else to work out, do drills, take BP, etc.
That’s not true at all, ST in Miami maybe but he’s done the hey guys I’m here act alot of times before. Where do you think that Manny being Manny thing started, it was first about him being on his own clock and then it spread to the field. Com’on man or girl don’t lie to me I know this.
SJ
“Manny has been telling friends that Boras believes he can get him another 100 million in the marketplace.”
Didn’t Boras convince A-Rod it was in his best interest to opt out of his contract because he could get more than he got?
I know you’re not saying he could for certain. You being in the business you’d know better than me what’s realistic. But IMO I think Manny’s antics in general may have cost him the chance at making that much for 4 years. I don’t see him getting another $100 million unless its for at least 5 years. Maybe some teams would allow him to get more per year with incentives.
I don’t think that he could get $100M, whether for 4 or 5 or even 6 years, if it would all be after the option year(s) on his current contract. I could only see it as the length of an extension from the end of this year.
Getting Manny Ramirez to spite Boston and their fans is for all the wrong reasons.
He simply is not a fit in a Yankee uniform.
You guys think Melky and Cano party too much now? Imagine how they would act with Manny on the team as a role model?
I think it’s a question of whether you would want Manny or Abreu.
If Manny would take a two year deal then it’s HECK YES.
A player like Manny would love nothing but to destroy the Red Sox. Can’t go wrong with that. Plus A-Rod loves Manny.
Manny doesn’t fit in his Boston uniform… he makes it look like he is wearing Pajamas.
If Mannie comes to NY I will have to give up being a Yankee fan! He has demonstrated that he has no respect for the game. Would he cut his hair, change his attitude and get a uniform that fits??? Anyway, he is old and NYY needs youth not age and a bad attitude.
pass. he has to be declining in ability. he will be a DH in the near term.
he is a bad guy, no no no.
(random aside: While I knew that former Nintendo of America chairman Howard Lincoln is president or chairman of the Mariners, I never put two and two together and only noticed now that Yamauchi Hiroshi owns the Mariners since 1992….Yamauchi, of course, was president of Nintendo from 1949 to 2002)
I don’t want him only because he is too old and would want a long contract.. and take a look at his agent. If he were, say, 5 years younger, I would love to get a guy as good as Manny Ramirez
“He has demonstrated that he has no respect for the game. Would he cut his hair, change his attitude and get a uniform that fits??? Anyway, he is old and NYY needs youth not age and a bad attitude.”
I know…..and yet I still think we should sign him. Like I said, it flies in the face of all logic and reason.
He needs to wear pinstripes, and it doesn’t hurt that he still can flat out rake at the plate.
I need to see this before I die.
Jorge Steinbrenner nailed it. LOL.
Manny not liking Boston is always a plus.
“I need to see this before I die.”
See my take is that I think I would die if I actually did see it.
Brandon:
A-rod has no big hits in the clutch same as Soriano, we could have had more pitching…..
Soriano has not stayed healthy is a bad fielder anywhere you put him, is a HR or a strike out guy… put it this this way that may have been the best trade in baseball.
Sorry your way off here, the greatest signing goes to Babe.
He changed the whole face of the Yankee’s.
The Sox trade for Beckett is better than the A-rod trade.
I wouldn’t mind Ramirez being a Yank as a DH. But I wouldn’t want the Yanks agreeing to another long-term deal to get him.
But I think Pete is wrong, I don’t think he wants to play in New York at all. I know he grew up in the Heights but I’ve heard he wants to avoid all the distractions of playing in his hometown.
A tentative no…put the money where pitching is…
“We also could had Beltran…centerfield would have been settled..”
CF IS settled: Melky is our CF until AJax is ready. Nothing needs to be settled.
wow..
Chris Russo (Maddog) just said its ok for Reyes to act up and showboat but Joba cannot because reyes has a “Bigger Body of Work”. He also said earlier that its ok for Manny to be Manny.
Listen, i get that these guys have to say things like this to stir up controversy and get people to call up yelling and screaming (i.e., create ratings). But still, have some integrity and be consistent. “Bigger body of work”… what does that mean… pathetic.
Sorry your way off here, the greatest signing goes to Babe.
He changed the whole face of the Yankee’s.
I’m talking about this ERA
The Sox trade for Beckett is better than the A-rod trade.
No it wasn’t ! Beckett listen I understand the playoff pitching but Derek Lowe, Jason Varitek and Curt Schilling was the biggest reason that Sox team succeeded. You know what’s funny if Mo/Po doesn’t blow game 4 I guarantee we’re not talking about this.
“The Sox trade for Beckett is better than the A-rod trade.”
No, its not. A-rod is better than Beckett, the Yankees gave up less to get him and he’s been more productive than Beckett.
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Timothy. SHUT THE HELL UP!
Alex Rodriguez over Alfonso Soriano any day.
you crackhead.
“No it wasn’t ! Beckett listen I understand the playoff pitching but Derek Lowe, Jason Varitek and Curt Schilling was the biggest reason that Sox team succeeded. You know what’s funny if Mo/Po doesn’t blow game 4 I guarantee we’re not talking about this.”
Sir, what are you talking about?
The Beckett trade was made after 04…
“A-Rod has no big hits in the clutch…”
Timothy, please become a Mets fan. I beg of you.
TP:
A-rod is a great hitter when not under pressure.
We could have had much better pitching without him.
Manny play hard when he wants to…
He doesn’t always hustle. He wants to do his own thing and the Sawx have looked the other way for years because of his production.
For those calling him a cancer, I don’t think that is true. From what I can see his teammates really like the guy.
I just don’t think it is worth having one player out of 25 who has his own set of rules.
Bottom line: Great player, but he isn’t the Yankees type of player.
KitKat:
I tried but you got the last seat available.
Sir, what are you talking about?
The Beckett trade was made after 04…
He associated the Beckett trade as the better deal I’m pointing out had Mariano not loss game 4 he wouldn’t be sasying that. I also pointed out how Tek,Schilling and Lowe was the reason for the Sox success, thank you for pointing out the Beckett trade was one part and not all of it since it was made after 04′.
Chris Russo is a moron. The guy is a Yankee hater and a Bonds-lover…enough said. To say that Reyes has a bigger body of work, allowing for showboating neglects the moronic mistakes that a guy like Reyes makes, over and over again (like last week, when they lost game 1 of the series to the Phillies). Those mental errors are the reason why he has absolutely no right to showboat, no matter what Russo says.
Now, onto more important things…is the Washburn deal dead?
This post is really more theoretical on how it would work than if it should work and why…
First of all, I don’t think the Sox will let him walk. They will force a trade with Manny instead of taking two draft picks. The guy is the best righthanded hitter in the game for pete’s sake. Way more clutch than Arod. At 37 he would be a very valuable DH for 4 years. If you can keep him off the outfield you’ll limit the embarrasements. Then you need to deal with the watching of home run balls, teach him how to respect the game like a Yankee should play the game. Then, you have to keep him happy and pay him like a Yankee and treat him like a Yankee. In return, he has to be on perfect behavior. If it ever got that far, it would all come down to lawyers and eye contact between Manny and the NYY F.O. in a 72 hour trade window. But the Yankees will never give up the package to get Manny in a trade. The only way it happens is if the Sox let him walk which you can bet their ass they won’t. They will do what C Money did to Sheff.
Timothy, no way man.
The yankees gave up no one and got an MVP! Hello, two time MVP here. For the Yankees. Look at soriano’s stats since he was traded, worse than A-rod even in a hitters park, and worse defense.
The beckett trade was NOT better, Boston gave up the BEST SHORTSTOP/SOON TO BE CFer in the NL. Hanley Ramirez is a force, dude!
We could have had much better pitching without him.
The Yankees weren’t poor Alex didn’t hold them from getting pitching, they never had an attention to the farm system and the SP market was weak. Who the hell you think they could have had ?
“A-rod is a great hitter when not under pressure.”
Amazing. And I didn’t know you needed a seat to be a Mets fan. Looks like you’ve inquired.
Brandon:
I understand what you are saying, but Beckett can win more games than A-rod can..It’s about winning not becoming the homerun king. That’s why I feel it was a better trade.
Timothy who were they going to get …
Jerkface:
I agree on what they gave up, but they got alot as well Beckett helped secure another WS.
yes. he’d be a great DH.
Brandon:
They could have got Beckett for Soriano, to me that would have been a wiser trade than for A-rod. IMO
A SP who makes 30-ish starts a season cannot win more games for a team than an elite position player who plays as much as 162.
George July 28th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Manny is only great because he’s protected by Ortiz (when they put manny at third in the order.) A-rod would not provide protection for manny because Abreu would be batting third. Abreu=better OBP= better than manny (even though he sucks at D, and PO me. Manny doesn’t hustle (did u see abreu’s double in the first inning last night) so should not be placed anywhere in the OF, but he would not want to be a DH only. he marches to his own tune. Plus he’d ruin the new stadium’s grass be urinating on it in between inings. (He peed on the green monster during the middle on an inning once.)
Manny may be nuts, but to say he is conditionally great, means you haven’t the faintest understanding of what makes a great hitter. (they’re born, incidentally). Ortiz is a great hitter, in his way. Manny is a whole ‘nuther level of great.
Jerkface:
I would rather have a CY winner than an MVP.
Sori better then AROD, I hope you are kidding
Arod since NYY 558 games, 194 hr, 307 ba, 403 obp
Sori for 3 teams, 506 games, 159 hr, 281 ba, 330 obp.
Arod plays the tougher position and Soriano couldnt play CF at Wrigley.
As for better trade, Arod for Soriano and Beckett Lowell for HRam and others, it’s a flawed argument. Both were win – wins.
William Buckner:
If the Yanks would have traded for Beckett, we would have also got Lowell. That would have been a better trade. IMO
Timothy: Soriano had no clutch hits? Like his walkoff in the 2001 ALCS off Sasaki? Or his game winning hit in the world series the same year? Seems like 2 mega clutch hits to me….
“They could have got Beckett for Soriano, to me that would have been a wiser trade than for A-rod. IMO”
Excellent point, Tim. One slight problem with it though. IT’S WRONG!!!! The Yankees NEVER had the opportunity to trade Soriano for Beckett. Why?? Well, if for no other reason, how abot because Soriano wasn’t on the Yankees when Beckett went on the market in after the 2005 season. Jeesh!
Cy Young winner only helps you every 5 days, an MVP helps you every day and every inning. Especially A-rod, his defense has saved games.
Without A-Rod, this team would feel like the Seattle Mariners and probably have a record close to theirs. Not only does he bring his hitting to the table, when he’s on the field he plays harder than any other player, he works harder than any other player, and he always tries to get the edge. If that’s a guy you wouldn’t want on your team, you need to have your head examined. When was the last time any other NYY tried to knock down the opposing catcher besides A-Rod? He might make the most, but he’s also prepared to give up his body the most, apparently.
Oh, one more clutch hit timmy, in game 7 of the 2001 world series he hit the then go-ahead home run off schilling in the 8th inning.
No way Florida takes Soriano for Beckett. Soriano makes too much money. They wanted prospects we didn’t have.
“Or his game winning hit in the world series the same year? Seems like 2 mega clutch hits to me….”
Three. Remember he hit the 8th inning homer off Schilling in Game 7 to give the Yankees a short lived lead.
Yes!! I agree with V above — Manny’s the greatest right-hand hitter in history. He’d be sensational at Yankee Stadium.
Fredo Corleone:
They could have inquired, he was lights out against us in the WS, and lets not forget the Marlins track record after winning the WS. hmmmmmmm
timothy clougher-
If you look at players win share-Win Shares is a very complicated statistic that takes all the contributions a player makes toward his team’s wins and distills them into a single number that represents the number of wins contributed to the team, times three.-for Beckett and Arod this is how it breaks down
2006
arod-25 beckett-12
2007
arod-39 beckett 19
2008
arod-17 beckett-7
so arod averages atleast 15 more wins than Beckett does for his team.
Woah, someone said the Beckett trade was better than the ARod deal?
I bet the Red Sox wish they had Hanley at SS right now…
Thanks Fredo- posted that right after. Ugh that game….
NO
Yankees never had a chance on Beckett. We didn’t have the prospects to make that deal. Soriano punched his ticket out of town after a really poor WS, against Beckett and Marlins.
Fact after 03′
Roger Clemens faked his retirement
Andy Pettitte was forced out by Steinbrenner
El Duque was forced out
David Wells was gone
Schilling who was being chased by the Yankees was close to signing and the MLB FO didn’t allow it.
Beckett at the time was not being considered by many teams Florida didn’t want to deal him, but when the Red Sox said they would take the injury prone weak hitting INF Mike Lowell the Marlins couldn’t wait to jetison him.
Think this Florida also has Anibal Sanchez who is a damn good SP when healthy and they have the 2nd best position prospect in the game in Hanley Ramirez.
What would you have liked the Yankees to do ? Soriano was leaked to the press that he is 28 at the time, was a low OBP % guy, was set to make big money, in NY was the only place he was considered Hank Aaron like, every where else thought he was a wild swinging vet who would soon decline.
I mean Eric Duncan could have netted Beckett but they weren’t going to do that at that time, why would the Yankees have traded someone people in baseball were comparing to the left handed McGwire. It just happened that way.
No thank you…
People are mentioning picking up Vlad the Impailer in the off season. Is he going to be available or is it just wishful thinking?
He’s 4 years younger than MBM (Manny Being Manny) and less of a head case, so he would be a far far far far far faaaaaaar better option if he were. FAR better. Reallocating Giambi’s, Abeu’s & Pavano’s on Vlad and CC Sabathia would be good.
Still have to think about a good option for 1B for next year & onwards. Could Posada really convert and be effective in the field? Ahhhhmmm not sure. Either way, he’d sure try harder than Sheffield did.
Again the only only only way to accept Manny in pinstripes would be if he were released by Boston so they’d be the ones paying him to kick their butts out of the playoffs instead of NY. Trading him away right after the season would have to be part of it, because other than for what I just said, I can’t stand the idea of him being here. Can’t stand the any of the guy’s multiple negative attitudes, and the posing after HRs. The only satisfaction would be knowing that Sox Nation knows the Sox were paying for him to help do it … I could make the 2-month compromise in principals only for that. Only for that, and only if NY wins it all.
Of course them releasing him for their enemies (NY) to pick up ain’t gonna happen, so I’m not even worried about the potential for having to embrace him being here even for 2 quick months.
Timothy, the Yankees came up with their own Cy Young winner, Joba Chamberlain. If not this year, then in the future. Even this year if he continues to pitch how he has he has to at least be in the talks. If he was eligible, he’d be 2nd in era, he’s 17th in strikeouts and everyone has had at least double the starts as Joba.
What does that have to do with anything? Wouldn’t you rather have possibly the greatest hitter of all time, A-Rod, AND a possible Cy Young winner ace in Joba?
A-rod never played in the WS………The only WS play was when he opted out of his contract that’s his only WS hit.
“Jerkface:
I would rather have a CY winner than an MVP.”
That is very vague, it really depends on the type of team you are (strengths and weaknesses), your opponents, etc.
DFox:
I think A-rod is a great player glad to have him, but in the post earlier I said looking back, I felt they could have made a better move. Joba is going to be the Front-line starter we have been looking for.
Not sure what A-Rod never having played in the WS has to do with a player of his caliber being more valuable than a top SP.
Because he is.
A-rod never played in the WS………The only WS play was when he opted out of his contract that’s his only WS hit.
Fact Mariano and Posada stop Dave Roberts from crossing home plate Alex is kissing ring # 1.
I’d be concerned about Vladdy’s back issues over the years.
I am not bothering to pile on Timothy b/c you guys are doing such an effective job of it. Please continue
A-Rod is going to be remembered as one of the best players ever. Becket? nope.
Are we really comparing Beckett to A-Rod? God bless Beckett for getting Boston some WS wins but IN NO WAY is Beckett even going to be in the same class as A-Rod in terms of legacy.
Brandon, William Buckner:
It was just MO on the trade back when, anyway I respect your insight on that stuff.
I guess back to the now, I really think we need to sweep the O’s, Boston and Tampa have tough games this next series. Tampa has Burnett and Roy, the Sox have the Halo’s we need these games..
No. Its not Manny’s behavior or decline in production that bothers me. Its that he’s too closely identified in my mind with the Redsox. I’d just find it too hard to accept and root for him as a yankee. Besides they have Nady next year so they aren’t going to need an OF’er or DH even assuming they wave goodbye to Abreau. If they make any big plunge into the Free Agent market, it should be for an elite starter (CC or Sheets).
I will never agree that a great position player is better that a great SP. Lets move on…
I’d seriously like to know what Timothy would have done.
Fact after 03′
Roger Clemens faked his retirement
Andy Pettitte was forced out by Steinbrenner
El Duque was forced out
David Wells was gone
Schilling who was being chased by the Yankees was close to signing and the MLB FO didn’t allow it.
Beckett at the time was not being considered by many teams Florida didn’t want to deal him, but when the Red Sox said they would take the injury prone weak hitting INF Mike Lowell the Marlins couldn’t wait to jetison him.
Think this Florida also has Anibal Sanchez who is a damn good SP when healthy and they have the 2nd best position prospect in the game in Hanley Ramirez.
What would you have liked the Yankees to do ? Soriano was leaked to the press that he is 28 at the time, was a low OBP % guy, was set to make big money, in NY was the only place he was considered Hank Aaron like, every where else thought he was a wild swinging vet who would soon decline.
I mean Eric Duncan could have netted Beckett but they weren’t going to do that at that time, why would the Yankees have traded someone people in baseball were comparing to the left handed McGwire. It just happened that way.
So lets get this straight
No Pettitte
No Clemens
No Duque
No Giambi
No Olerud
No pen other than Mo who blew game 4
Kevin Brown and Javy Vasquez (who was the best in the NL) sucked
after all this
Enter Randy Johnson (who was crap)
Enter Contreras (again crap)
Enter Jaret Wright (crap)
Enter ICUANO (crap)
Gee…you wonder WTF he (Arod) was suppose to do.
We have 9 games left against the Angels… 6 in California… OUCH!
Brandon:
Get your facts striaght Giambi was there before, A-rod
Yes, lets move on.
Timothy he didn’t play in 04’s playoff remember that why Olerud was brought in and Tony Clark took some weak a** swings w/ RISP at Yankee Stadium in game 6.
I certainly won’t mind a 2 year $25-$30 million deal as a replacement to Giambi. He is a better hitter than Giambi and at the end of the day, production is the only thing you should look at.
I vote no. There are a number of 64 y.o. folks around the Yankees and I’d fear for their safety.
“Fact Mariano and Posada stop Dave Roberts from crossing home plate Alex is kissing ring # 1.”
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts.
Brandon:
That whole year 04 brings back bad memories….Kevin Brown..
I think Timothy is just looking to argue lol
NO! Anyone advocating the opposite is not paying attention to what is going on this season.
“Gee…you wonder WTF he (Arod) was suppose to do.”
Better than 1 for 15 to close the series. Wasn’t his fault, but he didn’t help any.
That whole year 04 brings back bad memories….Kevin Brown..
Why stop there
Tony Clark
Javy Vasquez
Tom Gordon
Flatherthy ughhhh
The grand Tanyon
Better than 1 for 15 to close the series. Wasn’t his fault, but he didn’t help any.
That’s true. ALot of the Yankees went into shutdown mode
Jetes, Sheff, Matsuisan,I think Cairo and Bernie were the only ones who closed out the serious w/ good numbers.
“That whole year 04 brings back bad memories….Kevin Brown..”
Blame it on the rain!
Having to play games 3 thru 7 on 5 consecutive nights was a staff killer for a staff that didn’t have a great deal of life to begin with. Might have been interesting had an off day been put in there and Mussina or El Duque was the Game 7 starter.
I couldn’t sleep for a week after the Sucks won the WS…..
this is exactly the type of move that the sox would want us to make. get older hitters on the wrong side of their career. same thing happened with damon – another ill fated 30s hitter signing. i think sox fans would be mad, but sox management, which is smart, wouldn’t really care – they’d welcome the yanks continuing to get older. the sox will just go and get sabathia with the money we’d spend on manny. i dont see us signing himif i were the sox i’d trade him for prospects. their
“Jetes, Sheff, Matsuisan,I think Cairo and Bernie were the only ones who closed out the serious w/ good numbers”
Jeter in particular hit pretty well. Sheff finished 1 for 17 and Matsui 3 for 16. Middle of the order died a little after Arod gave the Yanks a 2-0 lead early in Game 4.
and for those of you who dont think the samon signing was ill fated, what u have is a 35 year old dh who cant throw, can barely field, hits 6 homers. while his numbers seem decent, theyre deceiving because of his average and inability to do anything other than hit. he may have a worse arm than 2005 era bernie williams = and thats saying something.
and for those of you who dont think the damon signing was ill fated, what u have is a 35 year old dh who cant throw, can barely field, hits 6 homers. while his numbers seem decent, theyre deceiving because of his average and inability to do anything other than hit. he may have a worse arm than 2005 era bernie williams = and thats saying something.
sorry for the double post.
I remember in Game 3, when we were smashing balls off the monster 17 to whatever, please save something..oh well..
Jeter in particular hit pretty well. Sheff finished 1 for 17 and Matsui 3 for 16. Middle of the order died a little after Arod gave the Yanks a 2-0 lead early in Game 4.
Do you have his numbers after game 3 (Jetes) oh and I just noticed I said serious not series
Freddy, Jeter hit .200 in the 2004 ALDS…clearly top of the line numbers, huh?
Brandon, Jeter was 4-19 and 5 RBI in the last 4 games (Rodriguez wasn’t much better), 3 of the RBI came in 5-4 loss when he went 1-7. Rodriguez destroyed the Twins and hammered Boston in the first 3 games (6-15 and 4 RBI).
Just walked in on discussion on 2004 playoff disaster. I distinctly feel we would have won that series if our 1st baseman John Olerud had not been injured and replaced by Tony Clark who struck out almost every at bat.
I voted no, but toyed with the sadistic choice, which I see a few of you did in fact choose!
i don’t think the yanks have a spot for manny, but if we did, then i say YES
this guy hits in his sleep
What if the Yankees could put some disciplinary clauses in the contract? Most of us say no because we worry about his throwing tantrums the way he has in Boston and not playing … but if the Yankees could protect themselves in the contract against that kind of behavior … would we think differently? I would.
no way
he is a trouble man.
As the last two nights demonstrate (as well as the last two weeks, and the last 7 years) it’s all about the pitching.
The receipe (in order):
(1) get good to great starters
(2) get a lights out closer
(3) pray you have good middle relief, and manage them well
(4) be sure you have enough hitting to put at least 4 runs on the board most nights
This will win you 90-95 games. If you are also hot going into October, you will also win the WS.
Yanks have always had 2 and 4, but since 2001 never really 1 and 3. Torre had it all from 96 to 01, and continued to manage as if he had it all from 02-07, even though he didn’t.
ARod et al will give us enough for (4), and while Manny in pinstripes would be intriguing (at maybe $15 million x 2), he is not really necessary. CC Sabathia is more necessary than Manny.
Since 2001
NO, NO, NO, NO to Manny!
We would have to build bigger doorways to get his, and ARods, ego’s through.
Peter Gammons wrote the following article today. It should put to rest any ridiculous notions of putting Manny in pinstripes. Seriously, wake up people.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3508405&name=gammons_peter&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fentryID%3d3508405%26name%3dgammons_peter%26campaign%3drss%26source%3dESPNHeadlines
5 years ago. Yes. Next year? no.
I’d take him as a bench player – but we all know that’s not happening. So the answer is no. Manny’s one of the best bats in the game, but I wouldn’t spend $20M on 37 year old that’s injury prone and acts like a jerk.
But I’d take him in the playoffs any day.
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