Game 106: Orioles at Yankees
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- July
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YANKEES (58-45)
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez DH
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Betemit 3B
Cabrera CF
Moeller C
Rasner RHP
Darrell Rasner (5-7, 4.83) vs. the Baltimore hitters.
Daniel Cabrera (6-6, 4.86) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Orioles are 15-13 against the Yankees over the last two seasons, 104-135 against everybody else. It has something to do with Kevin Millar destroying the Yankees. … Jeter has hit safely in nine straight at 13 of 41 (.317). … Jason Giambi is 4 for 20 since the All-Star break. And you would think four days in Vegas would be relaxing. … Damon is back in left for the first time since he got hurt on July 4.
PITCHING PROBLEMS: The Yankees have allowed 32 hits and 22 runs in their last 17 innings.
STEADY EDDIE: It would seem Edwar Ramirez may not be a one-trick pony after all. It’s hard to ignore what he has done. He has gone 13 innings without allowing a run and 11 innings without giving up a hit. His line in the last 11 appearances: 13 1 0 0 3 17.
TRADE TALK: The Yankees seem to be expanding their horizons in search of a starter. There does not seem to be a great difference-maker available but they only need somebody better than Rasner or Sidney Ponson.
Back at the stadium, hopped up on Red Bull and ready to go. Check back later for updates. Oh, and thanks to everybody who has been sending in e-mails about seeing Springsteen last night. Great to see that so many Yankees fans are fans of the real Boss, too.
UPDATE, 4:16 p.m.: Chien-Ming Wang got his cast off today and X-rays revealed that his foot fracture has healed.
He will wear a walking boot and use his crutches for another week or so. He also has been fitted for a special insole that will cushion his foot. That is scheduled to arrive in a week. At that point, he will head down to Tampa and start rehabbing.
If Wang is starting his rehab on or around Aug. 5, it’s just about unrealistic to think he can help the Yankees much this season. It’s going to take him 4-5 weeks to get ready to pitch again. Said Wang: “I want to pitch this year. We’ll see.”
UPDATE, 6:01 p.m.: Bad news for the Yankees: Mark Teixeira to the Angels for Casey Kotchman. The Yankees have 10 games left against the Angels.
UPDATE, 6:15 p.m.: Brian Cashman just spoke to some reporters. “Realistically, I don’t see anything happening,” he said.
He said the pitching options are Rasner and Ponson with Kennedy and Aceves in AAA and Hughes starting his rehab.
But keep in mind that the trade deadline is sort of an artificial one. A guy like Jarrod Washburn would clear waivers easily and could be dealt in August. The real deadline is Aug. 31 when the rosters have to be set.
UPDATE, 6:39 p.m.: This from the AP in Tampa:
New York Yankees left-hander Eric Milton took another step in his comeback from elbow surgery by throwing 35 pitches Tuesday in his first simulated game.
Milton, who had surgery in June 2007, went 0-4 with a 5.17 ERA in six starts with Cincinnati last season. The 32-year-old Milton could be ready to pitch in a minor league game in the next few weeks.
The Yankees signed Milton to a minor league contract on July 11, returning the pitcher to the organization that originally picked him 20th overall in the 1996 draft.
Also, right-hander Victor Zambrano threw 46 pitches in his second simulated game, and Shelly Duncan batted. Duncan, a first baseman-outfielder, separated his shoulder while making a diving catch for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre on July 1.
Free agent left-hander Joey Eischen worked out, throwing 37 pitches.
Andrew Brackman, who had an appendectomy on June 10, is scheduled to throw off the mound Thursday. He was taken by the Yankees in the first round of the 2007 draft.
UPDATE, 7:11 p.m.: Well, at this point Rasner should just give up and walk Markakis every time. He breaks his bat and he still gets a single. Markakis is now 10 for 12 aganst Rasner.
UPDATE, 7:17 p.m.: The Charleston game that Hughes and some other guy – Karl Pagano or something – are supposed to pitch in is being delayed by rain.
I would think the Yankees will be far more interested in how Ian Kennedy pitches for Scranton tonight. I realize they’re trying to make him earn his way. But if he pitches well again, it becomes silly to keep him in the minors and keep running Sidney Ponson out there.
UPDATE, 7:29 p.m.: I hate to say it. But it could be time for The Big G to shave the ‘stache. He has been pretty brutal of late (4 for 21) and leaving men on bases in bunches.
UPDATE, 8:32 p.m.: Carl Pavano threw two innings for Charleston 2 1 0 0 1 4. Cashman made sure to say today that they had no expectations of him pitching in the majors this season. They’ll let him rehab and then that will be that.
Hughes is now in the game.
Meanwhile, stop complaining about Rasner. This is what a No. 5 starter does, he holds a team like Baltimore to two runs over five or six innings. You want him to be Cy Young. This game, so far, is on the offense.
UPDATE, 8:40 p.m.: Phil Hughes threw two innings for Charleston. One hit, one walk, no K’s. 14 pitches/10 strikes.
Alas, he slapped Pavano on the back and said “Good job” and fractured Pavano’s spine. Joe Girardi said he was day to day.
UPDATE, 8:54 p.m.: But wait! Hughes pitched a third inning. His line was 3 2 0 0 1 1. 28 pitches, 20 strikes.
UPDATE, 9:03 p.m.: Rasner did what they needed him to do, although pushing him into the seventh inning might have been asking a little too much.
This team just can’t solve Cabrera this season. He has thrown 19 innings against the Yankees and allowed five runs.
UPDATE, 9:07 p.m.: Rasner had not pitched into the seventh inning since June 6. Not a surprise what happened.
Meanwhile, Marte is getting rocked and this game is all but over.
UPDATE, 9:37 p.m.: That was weird. You almost never see a pitcher ejected for hitting a batter without warnings first being issued, although the umpires have a right to do that.
Either Chad Fairchild is wildly overreacting or perhaps Cabrera had words with A-Rod earlier the game. Did A-Rod pose after his home run?
Cabrera is known for being wild. Whatever it was, he’s out.
UPDATE, 9:41 p.m.: A-Rod had a very animated discussion at second base with Brian Roberts.
Meanwhile, Baltimore just fell asleep and let a run score.
Bobby Meacham held A-Rod despite Adam Jones conceding the run. So A-Rod looked and went himself.
UPDATE, 9:44 p.m.: I have to assume Xavier Nady was being saved for Moeller. Man, Betemit is brutal.
UPDATE, 9:55 p.m.: It sure is weird how Mo pitches differently when it’s not a save situation. It’s to the point where it’s not a quirk.
UPDATE, 10:06 p.m.: That home run Mo gave up really hurts now.
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Rock on Edwar.
Let’s go Yanks!
Pete did he play Thunder Road?
Posted this in the previous thread too. I know there were many people interested.
Somebody asked earlier how long Hughes was supposed to pitch tonight and I am not sure if it has been answered yet.
Yankees.com has both Hughes and Pavano slated for 2 innings apiece.
arod dh?
nady should be in RF with abreu dh
bad move.
“And you would think four days in Vegas would be relaxing”
Not necessarily. It could be quite exhausting. Er, not that I have any first hand knowledge of that.
id love to be a fly on the wall in Cashman’s office to find out what pitchers the Yankees consider ‘on the market’ or who they are inquiring about.
Can Derek Lowe be had? I wonder.
nady hits a homer and then sits today? why?
If you want to trade prospects what about Duchscherer, I read others have contacted the A’s about him.
Arod needs a break every once in a while, and without damon there is no lead off hitter, and abreu I think has been hitting well since the break = nady day off
“Can Derek Lowe be had? I wonder.”
no. Dodgers GM already said publically Lowe is unavailable because they are in the pennant race.
Cash should go up to Toronto and beat Ricciardi until he surrenders Burnett.
“arod dh?
nady should be in RF with abreu dh
bad move.”
maybe Arod needs a 1/2 day???
I couldn’t bear to read the blog during the game last night – but Bobby Abreu’s wall-o-phobia is something that I will not miss when he moves along.
At least Moose didn’t let it bother him
Any ideas other than Washburn as to which starters might be in the horizon?
Any names?
Peter,
Any word on Wang getting his cast off?
“nady hits a homer and then sits today? why?”
very tough, hard throwing righty on the mound.
keep the lefties in the lineup.
am I the only one here who thinks Bruce Springsteen sucks?
“Cash should go up to Toronto and beat Ricciardi until he surrenders Burnett.”
Or he could just search under “fragile+expensive” on google and see what the #1 result is.
“maybe Arod needs a 1/2 day???”
we just got off the allstar break. and dh’ing isnt a day off.
“Cash should go up to Toronto and beat Ricciardi until he surrenders Burnett.”
As long as you’re going to commit a felony you might as well go all the way and grab Halladay.
Nady sits in flavor of Betemit? that’s not right.
Bruce makes me proud to be a jersey girl.
This is not the most imposing line up the Yankees have ever had, but that’s all right.
Darrell Rasner will be the Yankee stopper =D
What about David Wells or Freddy Garcia? Is David Wells really that bad, that no one has signed him yet? He always did well in NY, at least from what I remember. He was a big game pitcher, and these last two months don’t get any bigger right now. There is no sense trading for someone if Wang will be back in a month.
“Or he could just search under “fragile+expensive†on google and see what the #1 result is.”
Nice one.
The last 2 games haven’t looked so good…hopefully they can rebound. Has there been any new information on Matsui’s attempted comeback or is he going to go the way of Posada?
Doris I’m listening to Micheal Kay I haven’t heard this can anyone confirm this ?
you’re not alone Del….
I expect a big game from big tooth.
This line up is rediculous Giambi looks lost at the plate he should be sitting with Nady at 1st.
“There does not seem to be a great difference-maker available but they only need somebody better than Rasner or Sidney Ponson.”
No, they really don’t. I’m ok with the best of Rasner/Ponson/Aceves/Kennedy filling those last two spots (Ponson needs to be replaced) until Hughes/Pavano(I know) come back. Wang is a possibility in September as well.
Basically I would rather not give up any talent to have someone come in and pitch only slightly better than our current #5 starter for only a month, its not worth it. Also I would rather not owe Washburn over 10 mil next season.
“am I the only one here who thinks Bruce Springsteen sucks?”
I don’t think he sucks. I do think that he’s unbelievably overrated. People ignore the fact that he’s not a great singer. I think they like that working class guy attitude he has.
I will give him credit for giving people their money’s worth when they go to his concerts. A lot of acts don’t even stay on the stage for 1.5 hrs. At least Bruce gives you your money’s worth.
it would hard to be fans of the real boss (i.e., George Steinbrenner) and not be fans of the Yanks, right?
Im sorry, FoxSports radio (via XM satellite radio)
Ok Doris I have faith in your comments.
“Doris I’m listening to Micheal Kay I haven’t heard this can anyone confirm this ?”
whoa… Zach Greinke, huh?
Brandon-
If there is any truth to that deal for Grienke, I bet Olivo is in there too.
“ESPN Radio reporting yanks are close to trading for Zach Grienke for a package of prospects”
Oh, geez! Do we really need another mentally unstable player on the term? NY will eat this guy alive. I hope this isn’t true.
This is a speculation from Doris
Del The Funkee Homosapien said:
“am I the only one here who thinks Bruce Springsteen sucks?”
Yes you are and I suggest you run away. Big Man Clarence heard you and is on his way over to kick your a**.
If Damon can play the outfield, am I the only one who thinks he should play in CF and Melky should be benched?
Everyone will cite the runs Melky saves on defense, but it isn’t worth the much greater umber of runs he costs us at the plate.
If it were me, I’d live with Damons defense if it meant getting Melky’s dead bat out of the lineup. He’s just awful.
I wonder who are those prospects?
Olivo has to be in that package if it’s true. God what would they give up for Greinke ?
Betemit should never play anything but DH..i wanna now the reasoning for this
apparantly the deal on the table is Coke, Melky + a B level prospect of the royals choice
again Doris is hearing this on the radio satellite right now
I hope they don’t trade Hughes, Kennedy, Marquez, Jackson, Aceves or Mike Whitt. Mike Whitt is still in the system, right?
@Bob
“If it were me, I’d live with Damons defense if it meant getting Melky’s dead bat out of the lineup. He’s just awful.”
Ok fine. Damon in CF, Nady in LF and Giambi at 1B, melky on the bench.
Who DH’s?
You leave Melky in center the way the roster is constructed now, defensive issues aside.
It’s probably Bannister & Olivo.
Yeah what is with Betemit over Nady? Afraid the new guy might get hot after he got his first big hit? Girardi with his righty-lefty matchups is sometimes too much. Arod needs a rest? I’d give Jeter 1/2 a day or whatever. Maybe it’ll wake him up. Looks like he needs it.
“Betemit should never play anything but DH..i wanna now the reasoning for this”
Probably Arod needed a day off from the field?
Doris thanks for the info keep us informed on this.
Not good. Melky’s arm and defense really has helped stop the running game on the Yanks.
not a fan of these Grienke rumors
“apparantly the deal on the table is Coke, Melky + a B level prospect of the royals choice”
Either you are lying or the person on the radio is lying. Greinke is worth WAY more than that. I’d say Melky, Hughes and another prospect gets you Grienke.
“apparantly the deal on the table is Coke, Melky + a B level prospect of the royals choice”
Ummm, Coke is a B-level prospect. This is bunk.
i dont think we are ready to get rid of melky
Patrick-
thats what they said… i cant tell you if they are lying or not
If they can get Melky out of that Grenkie deal, then it’s great. Greinke KILLS Washburn. If that deal that was listed is true, and they can substitute Melky with Gardner, they should do it in a second.
I don’t see how it’s possible that they want so little in return for Greinke.
I appreciate the positive spin on the stats but how come you never pull out the “Jeter is tied with Lyle Overbay for second in the American League in GIDPs with 16, one behind Vlad Guerrero.” He has been killing us with those this year and never more than the last few days.
Del,
Add me to the club.
If by Grienke they mean Bannister then I’m good with it.
Girardi definitely overmanages on these lineups. It’s like he’s playing a video game.
where is CM? pretty sure you can add him to the club, as well…
“I don’t see how it’s possible that they want so little in return for Greinke.”
It’s not. More along the lines of a package for Bannister.
I can’t stand some of the lineups that Girardi puts up. Why do you sit Nady who just got here and is looking to build from yesterday? Why put Betemit anywhere on the field as a starter unless the regular is just plain exhausted? Betemit is a butcher with his defense.
Meanwhile, Melky keeps going with his declining batting average.
Grienke is pretty good if the Yanks do this Cash has pulled off 2 heists.
It was Ken Rosenthal… i could have heard it wrong but im fairly certain those were the players involved from the yankees
“He always did well in NY, at least from what I remember.”
Key words being “from what I remember…” Wells is done, nothing more than a memory. And the way he screwed the Yankees, no longer even a happy memory.
Regarding Springsteen’s singing, please have a listen to his range on albums like Born To Run, Greetings from Asbury Park, and The Wild, The Innocent and the E Street Shuffle. True, he’s pared it down in recent years, and has developed something of a “twang”, but the observation that he can’t sing is so off base. On those early albums, he displays beautifully his gift for almost roaring his words while maintaining the full caramel-like quality of Roy Orbison-type singing.
markakis is 9-11 against Rasner… thats incredible… millar is 4-9… thats 13-20… the rest of the lineup is 4-43.
i wonder if he will pitch around them haha..
no nady already?
What about Jose Guillen? Apparantly he wants out of KC: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3509805
Girardi’s picking the wrong pitcher (Rasner) to screw around with the lineup on. He needs all the run support he can get right now.
I’d do IPK, Melky and a mid level for Greinke this instant. The Yanks should sweeten the pot Greinke is on his way to Stud-dom.
Id like for Wang to come back more than anyone they could trade for
I read the other day that Greinke, if traded, was going to require a lot from any team getting him. And from the above suggestions, that is not a lot.
“apparantly the deal on the table is Coke, Melky + a B level prospect of the royals choice”
Doris, i am not accusing YOU of making this up, but someone is full of crap here.
the commissioner would probably block this trade it’s so lopsided.
there is 0% chance of this happening.
I would trade Hughes for Greinke
Doris, have they repeated/expanded on this trade possibility?
just for the record, greinke > bannister in a big way. coke + melky and a b level would be a heist.
Bruce has a good voice…but I’d be the first to admit his style of singing isnt for everyone. I like the scratchy voice style, so it works for me (and obviously a lot of other people).
“Girardi definitely overmanages on these lineups. It’s like he’s playing a video game.”
if anything he under manages the lineup i think.
but todays lineup is pointless and just delivers garbage defense. abreu misses a catch at game minimum and now with nady we dont have to put up with it anymore. DH him. and Betemit at 3rd is just awful. theres a few plays tonight right there.
Doris- Greinke would be better, this team doesnt need a bat.
Doris update us here ..
Maybe that’s what the Yankees are offering. It doesnt mean they would accept it.
No excuses…Play like a Champion!!
i agree with girardi over managing a bit here. I think Nady should be in the lineup. The guy is trying to adjust to the AL and the stadium. I know you need to rest arod occasionally, but after the last two games, i think we really need a win. with rasner in, we should have the best lineup out there. abreu should dh.
Why would the Royals trade Greinke? Does not make sense.
And if the rumor is Bannister? No thanks. He’s really not that good. Might as well try IPK again if you’re going after him.
i wonder if he will pitch around them haha..
I hope he does.
“True, he’s pared it down in recent years, and has developed something of a “twangâ€, but the observation that he can’t sing is so off base.”
Not in my opinion, which is the only position I can speak from. I know that a lot of people enjoying listening to him. I have a couple of tracks from him myself (my fave being “Hungry Heart”). But a great singer he is not. Just my opinion.
Heyman is on WFAN
is there something i’m missing by looking at Greinke’s #’s?
Doris is lying. Relax. Brandon is going to have a heart attack.
“Greinke left the Royals spring training camp for personal reasons in late February, 2006.[2] It was later revealed that he was suffering from social anxiety disorder and was having trouble working with others.[3] He reported back to the Royals’ spring training facility in Surprise, Arizona, on April 17, where he has been undergoing pitching sessions. He was placed on the 60-day disabled list due to psychological issues and took time away from baseball entirely until returning on a rehab assignment with Wichita. In 2007, Greinke succeeded in staking his claim of the inside portion of the plate and was dominant throughout spring training. He returned to the Royals rotation at the start of the season, but was sent to the bullpen in early May after alternating good starts with bad ones and compiling a 1–4 record with a 5.71 ERA. As a reliever, he was “lights out”, going 4–1 with a 3.54 ERA. After the 2007 season he signed a one year contract to stay in Kansas City and to avoid arbitration.
Zack’s brother, Luke, plays baseball for Auburn University, and currently leads the team in hitting as an outfielder/designated hitter. Luke was selected 380th overall by the New York Yankees in the 2008 MLB 1st-year player draft as a right-handed pitcher”
This i took from his wiki page! please dont sign him!!!!
theres no way that this has advanced to anything called “discussions”. no way the royals would give up greinke for that.
You guys really think Greinke is that good?
this really pisses me off. if arod really needs a break, then put nady in for abreu. he doesnt have abreu’s arm yada yada, but im sure he is not afraid of the ball. plus he needs to get comfortable before the angels come to town. not to mention, we should have the best lineup in being that we dont want to lose a series to the friggin O’s
There are times when it seems that Girardi puts out a poor lineup when there is a struggling pitcher on the mound. He did it with Kennedy, Hughes and now Rasner. Why? Shouldn’t those who are having some troubles have the best defense you can field?
why would I lie? they mentioned the potential trade during the sports update… no updates since
from fox sports top 10 of uh oh trades:
Gagne #9
Kazmir #2
Isn’t there still that injury issue with Coke or something?
This is from ‘bleacher report’:
With interest from the Yankees, Brewers (before getting CC), and Cubs (before getting Harden), the most talked about acquisition is Zack Greinke. Greinke had an amazing first half but has struggled his past couple of outings, going 0-3 with a 6.14 ERA in July.
Greinke upside lies in the fact that he could be a quality back of the rotation starter or be moved to the bullpen as a set up man. Greinke spent the first three-fourths of the year last year coming out of the ‘pen hitting triple digits at times.
Nady should be out there.
“is there something i’m missing by looking at Greinke’s #’s?”
Hes 25 and is on pace to K 200 batters.
rebecca – yes. his anxiety problems have caused him a great deal of problems, but he seems to be past it, and is developing into a very nice starter. so nice that there’s no way the royals would give him up for melky and coke.
http://www.xmradio.com/shop/index.xmc?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=xm%20radio&utm_campaign=XM%20Radio
go to foxsports radio if you dont believe me
Girardi is a tad ridiculous with his line-ups…mixing and matching all the time..can we just get a set line-up for like a week maybe?
Doris you are full of it. I’ve been listening all day. Nada. Quit lying.
I agree on Bannister. We should not be trading anything of value for him. He’s been really lousy this year and he’s basically IPK just a few years older. That makes no sense.
If Greinke is on the table, expect IPK, Melky and some other good prospects just to get the talks started.
Has anyone else heard this radio report besides one person on here?
I wonder if there will ever be a day a lineup is posted where there isn’t crying and moaning over it here?
“Greinke upside lies in the fact that he could be a quality back of the rotation starter or be moved to the bullpen as a set up man. Greinke spent the first three-fourths of the year last year coming out of the ‘pen hitting triple digits at times.”
Wrong. Greinke has 2 or 3 starter potential.
Old news guys, how’d you miss it?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/41693-is-brian-bannister-heading-to-the-new-york-yankees
They need DeJesus too.
Hey, just for clarification, could someone list as many Yankees prospects as they can in terms of A, B, and less. Like who are considered the Yankees’ “A prospects”?
given that i’ve been on all the good rumor sites all day and haven’t seen ANYTHING about greinke, i’m going to have to say this is probably not true. i wish it was…but its just too incredible.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/41790-whos-leaving-the-kc-royals-is-zack-greinke-on-the-block
Maybe they are working something out for that deal we discussed a couple days ago. Bannister and Dejesus for Melky and IPK.
Zach Grienke is no better than Rasner, not a good trade, IMHO.
Well, anything has to be better than Rasner/Ponson in there. And if this avoids the Washburn trade then I’m all for it. I’ll also pack Melky’s bags for him on the way out.
Heyman says “Mariners should have had a firesale…by now…”. I don’t have a clue as to what Seattle is doing, but they are a bunch of morons out there.
Fox- why would I possibly make up a lie about something i heard on the radio? what do I have to gain?
uhh…bannister is no better than rasner, but greinke is worlds better than rasner.
Why is Nady sitting?
1998 Yankees: 148 different lineups in 162 games.
The whining about the lineups are comical. The Yankees mixed and matched plenty of times under Torre. Its not different under Girardi.
I wish I could fastforward to Friday
Any Greinke thoughts SJ?
hey bob..whenever betemit plays there will be whining
I’m not that concerned with the lineup changes. I do think, however, Nady needs to be in the lineup.
and Bannister stinks, too. This is all a ploy to get Seattle to blink with Washburn…
[b][url=http://www.si.com]Breaking news: Yankees trade for Jarrod Washburn][/b]
Nice to see Damon back in left, but why Abreu and Giambi but no Nady?
Oh, and sorry Pete, but count me in with the ‘Bruce Springsteen is overrated’ crowd. The only people more overrated in modern music history that I can think of are Kurt Cobain and Bob Dylan. Oh, and Bono too, but he barely counts as a musician in my book…more of a yodeling tree hugger
Anyway, go Yankees! And Pete makes a good point about not necessarily needing a difference-making SP, just one who is better than what we have now. Having said that I’d gladly accept this rumored Bannister trade. Less so on Grienke. Matter of fact, I think sending him to NY after all he’s been through is even slightly cruel, and could be a huge mistake for all involved.
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/archives/144672.asp
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Washburn trade on a yo-yo right now
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In the end, he’ll be on the team Friday….IMO….
With the year Greinke’s had, he would cost a fortune in prospects. He’s one of the best the Royals have.
He will wear a walking boot and use his crutches for another week or so. He also has been fitted for a special insole that will cushion his foot. That is scheduled to arrive in a week. At that point, he will head down to Tampa and start rehabbing.
The absolute worst thing the Yankees could do right now is rush Wang.
Let him take his time and take as long as he needs.
The team needs him next year even more than this one.
not sure if it was posted: boot off CWM, crutches for another week and hopefully he’ll be back this season
I guess it was, sorry
However…if the Yankees are trading Melky to KC, they’re sending back an able bodied CF’er, right?
Whatever SJ says on Greinke it is sure to be wrong. He’s the same expert who said cut Giambi and trade Cano and dont sign ARod.
cast off wang, need to use crutches 1 week.. his long has been devastating…
aaa zach grienke is better than rasner, and clearly ponson. stupid to say otherwise
the troubles of slow (mostly lefty) typing
Sorenstam blasts Wie for playing PGA Tour event FROM FOX
“You know, I really don’t know why Michelle continues to do this,” Sorenstam said. “I mean, we have a major this week, and if you can’t qualify for a major, I don’t see any reason why you should play with the men.”
Changing the subject for a second.
Im not a fan of golf but i totally agree with her comments. Thoughts.
I don’t want Washburn, especially not if it’s going to cost any players better than Igawa.
What’s wrong with the lineup?
Isin’t the point to get in as many of the lefty bats in the lineup against the hard throwing, wild righty?
Nady/Betemit are interchangeable. I would be more ticked if he took Damon or Abreu out.
A young rotation of CC, Joba, Wang, Greinke and Hughes. Tell me that isnt worth the trade alone.
just heard fox radio sports update from Chris Myers show.
no trade news, only baseball news was Cards made Izzy closer again.
since when do women play professional golf?
SJ44 That would be fine if it worked. Girardi’s lineups work best when he stops the playing around with them, like todays.
Unless you are saying that this team is anything like the 1998 team.
maybe the royals gm is a drug addict and misunderstood cashman when said he’d give him melky and coke for greinke
Grienke has ace stuff, anyone who cannot see that is blind.. I did not say he is an ace but he has ace stuff. he trows in the mid to upper 90’s with good offspeed pitches….
Now all the couch managers are worried about tonights lineup.. Mental midgets; Cabrera is a hardthrowing right, nady hits right, and Betemi is not bad from the lef side with power..
again for the 1000th time if the multimillionaires on the Yanks do not produce it does not matter.again on the Giambi front, his 3’s look good compared to expectations but 249!!!!!!!!! Crappy with RISP, Jason does not deserve a pass from criticism…..
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/080729&sportCat=mlb
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This stuff is TOO funny !
i wouldnt trade anything for bannister, he is hardly an improvement from ponson. although the dejesus bannister combo isnt bad, but it wont help our pitching, i just like dejesus’s bat. (but horrible defense). still bannister stinks, I would love to have greinke
LOL at some of you. Yeah, Grienke is no better than Rasner, not at all. And we wonder why outsiders stereotype Yankee fans as being uninformed about any players or goings on outside of the pinstripes.
Speaking of Grienke, did we sign his younger brother yet (after drafting him)?
I like Greinke a lot. But, as in all deals, the devil is in the details.
If KC is foolish enough to take a light package for him, I’d jump at getting him. That kid can pitch.
Most of the rumor sites, as well as ESPN, are pressured to update their sites repeatedly this time of year to get hits. In many cases, guys just make stuff up to have “fresh” info on their sites.
I think its only a matter of time before we hear the usual, “Theo has a big, multi-team deal cooking”, and folks will lose their minds believing the Red Sox are going to acquire a whole new team in the next 2 days. That’s an annual rite of passage during trade deadline talk.
With most of these rumors, I take them with a grain of salt. To me, the only stuff that matters are the deals that are actually done.
The rest of the stuff is just noise to me.
“Nady/Betemit are interchangeable.”
I hope not, or else they just traded a few good prospects for another Wilson Betemit.
And Bannister hardly stinks either. I’ll say it again, he is better than Kennedy IMO.
If Cash can use one of his Jedi Mind Tricks to get Zach Grienke he had better.
Betimet sucks and Giambi needs to shave the stache for the second half. The magic has worn out. Needed to get that off my chest. Feel much better now.
BBB- the other night people said they wouldnt trade phil hughes for jon lester.
A name like Greinke if there is any validity to it, they need to jump on that deal quick before another MLB team catches wind. (If true)
Funny:
“Miguel Tejada to the Red Sox?
The Red Sox are looking to acquire a shortstop and may have targeted Miguel Tejada of the Houston Astros. If Tejada goes to Boston, it is expected that his name will be expunged from the Mitchell report.”
ok..bannister doesn’t stink, but i think he is a minor upgrade from rasner. i just enjoy the sound of greinke a whooole lot more.
“I think its only a matter of time before we hear the usual, “Theo has a big, multi-team deal cooking†”
Haha good call, its already starting to happen. Rumors are popping up that the Sox will send Manny plus salary relief to the Dodgers for a package including Kemp or Ethier. The rumors continue by saying the Sox could spin Kemp/Ethier off to the Braves in exchange for Teixiera. Sounds pretty far fetched to me..
Betemit and Nady are NOT interchangeable, not so far this year at least.
bbb – yes, we did sign his younger brother. he’s been pitching for us already (either in short season staten island or GCL Yanks…i can’t remember which)
If you look at Bannister’s career numbers, they are eerily similar to Rasner’s.
I remember when I broke a bone in my ankle, had to have a cast on for six weeks, about as long as CMW did…let me tell you it was freaking horrorshow when that thing came off.
Keppinger’s stats vs. some lefties –
vs. O. Perez (NYM) – 4-8, 2B, 3B
vs. D. Davis (ARZ) – 1-2, HR
vs. J. Walker (BAL) – 1-2, HR
vs. N. Cotts (CHC) – 1-1
vs. D. Willis (DET) – 2-6
vs. A. Laffey (CLE) 2-3, 2B
vs. B. Wagner (NYM) 1-3
vs. A. Miller (FLA) – 2-2, 2 2B
vs. J. Saunders (LAA)- 1-2
vs. W. Rodriguez (HOU) – 1-3, 2B
vs. H. Kuo (LAD) – 1-2
vs. C. Sabathia (MIL) – 3-7
vs. A. Pettitte (NYY) – 1-3
vs. Odalis Perez (WSH) – 1-2, HR
vs. P. Feliciano (NYM) – 2-2, 2B
vs. C. Hameles (PHI) – 1-2
vs. M. Capps (PIT) – 1-2, HR
vs. R. Hill (CHC) 3-6, HR
A name like Greinke if there is any validity to it, they need to jump on that deal quick before another MLB team catches wind. (If true)
I give it a .0000000000001% chance of it being true.
Someone is just having fun with you is my guess.
Laura, if Hungry Heart is your favorite Springsteen song, you don’t know the man. Or your tastes run to pop music. That’s fine, you’re allowed your choices. Music is a personal preference thing.
You are correct, he’s no great shakes as a singer. Bruce is about his varied musical styles and spectacular lyrics. His voice suits his style, but he’s no Sinatra. And a specatcular live performer.
Since I imagine most commenters here are south of age 35, I’d expect more than a few are lukewarm on the guy. Not saying you can’t like him or appreciate him or anything like that. But since Born To Run is about 30 years old, just makes sense he’d be more popular among those of us a bit longer in the tooth – and from Jersey of course.
fritts where is flam
“SJ44 That would be fine if it worked. Girardi’s lineups work best when he stops the playing around with them, like todays.”
Which lineup would that be praytell? Some of you on here are utterly ridiculous with all of your complaining about the lineup. Posada is out of the year, Matsui very well may be out for the year and Damon still has an injured shoulder.
Let’s see that right there is 3 regulars out of the lineup which surely disrupts any kind of order the lineup might have if everyone is healthy.
I understand, the Yankees lost 2 in a row and now a majority of you unhappy souls have something to complain about again.
Here’s an idea however, instead of constantly griping about the lineup try to actually enjoy the games. There is no team that goes through the entire year with the same lineup.
The Mets who are currently in first place have used the same lineup exactly 11 times this season. The Yankees have used the same lineup 9 times this season.
It’s comical what some of you waste your time complaining about.
” UPDATE, 4:16 p.m.: Chien-Ming Wang got his cast off today and X-rays revealed that his foot fracture has healed.
He will wear a walking boot and use his crutches for another week or so. He also has been fitted for a special insole that will cushion his foot. That is scheduled to arrive in a week. At that point, he will head down to Tampa and start rehabbing.
If Wang is starting his rehab on or around Aug. 5, it’s just about unrealistic to think he can help the Yankees much this season. It’s going to take him 4-5 weeks to get ready to pitch again. Said Wang: “I want to pitch this year. We’ll see.†”
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OK, so what am I missing here. even at 5 weeks from 8/5/08, puts him pitching on 9/9/08….Playoffs start 3 weeks after that….You don’t think Wang in a playoff game for the Yankees would be possible ?
BBB,
Bannister does stink. He’s got a 5.40 ERA. I really don’t think he’s much (if any) better than Kennedy.
“A name like Greinke if there is any validity to it, they need to jump on that deal quick before another MLB team catches wind. (If true)”
I agree Brandon Cash should keep the KC gm on the line until this happens. I would be willing to give up a very respectable package for Greinke.
Someone is just having fun with you is my guess.
Unless that poster is someone trying to impersonate Doris I have to believe it, she doesn’t lie here.
SJ44, you are SO right on with that post, sir !
Ha ha.
I said the other day that I would jump at the chance to trade Melky, Kennedy, and another decent prospect for Zach Greinke and people on this board actually said I was nuts and it would be a terrible deal for the Yanks.
Are you kidding?
Greinke is downright nasty. Mental issues in the past or not, I’d love to have that kid – and so would every other GM.
And DeJesus, although older than Melky, can cover a helluva lot of ground in the outfield. He single-handedly beat the Yanks several weeks ago when he was making circus catches all over the ballpark.
I’d personally drive to KC to pick up Greinke if Cashman pulls off such a heist.
But, let’s be realistic. This deal is never going to happen. Greinke is not Jarrod Washburn. He’s legit and should be a pretty darn good pitcher for years to come.
Why would they move Greinke when they have him under arbitration control until 2010 and he’s their best young pitcher? Who are the Yankees giving them that makes KC make that deal? Whatever names you want to float out there (Melancon, Hughes, Jackson, whoever) do not equal a proven, young major league starter with great stuff who is cost-controlled, like Greinke. Unless it’s Joba Chamberlain.
Forget Greinke. Bannister is more likely, but why trade prospects for Bannister when you have Kennedy ready to start on Sunday, and probably give you the same results?
Guy, I had the same injury when I was a kid. I had zero strength when that cast came off. I remember wondering if I was even healed because I was still limping. But that said, Wang will rehab furiously once cleared to do so. Hopefully he can be ready for mid-September at latest. Still some big games to play then.
Even if Wang doesn’t come back for another month, he could pitch in the post-season. If the Yanks sneak into the Wild Card, I’m very confident with a Wang-Joba-Pettitte-Moose rotation.
SOS:
Spot-on. Michelle Wie gets the worst advice of any American other than John McCain. I worked with her managing team on a SONY ad campaign and it was a nightmare. They were obsessed with micromanaging every little detail, completely overprotective of her, and just generally unpleasant people. As an adult I disliked them, imagine a teenager. I’d go insane.
The idea of her being able to play on the PGA tour was a cute PR move, but didn’t work out the first time they did it…or the second time…or the third. You’d think they’d get the hint, as she could really tear up the LPGA tour. But Nike and her corporate sponsors have a ton invested in her—PGA tour money, not LPGA money.
SJ44, extremely well said.
I would trade Melky for a case of baseballs.
If the Yanks wait much longer to move him his value be fall so much that can only get a couple of used fungo bats.
Now Gammons is in on the story re: the Yankees interest in Laird (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=mlb_trade_deadline) . Love ya, Pete, but I think your spidey-sense is off on this one. The Yanks are definitely sniffing the market for catchers, despite your protestations to the contrary. Surely you don’t think Gammons is making this up, do you? I think Peter Gammons is generally forthright and reliable. Who have you talked to that leads you to believe the team is not pursuing catching help?
Zach Grienke sucks.. he walks too many
The different line up thing doesn’t bother me, but I’m not sure this is the best offensive combination the Yankees have.
I hope I’m proven way, way wrong tonight.
Peter Gammons is never right.
Reading ANY of his rumors is a complete waste of time.
I wouldn’t mind having Laird over Moeller…
Why is it unrealistic to think Wang could help this year? If he starts throwing sometime next week he could probably be available sometime in mid September
“TUESDAY: The Twins now have some competition from the Tigers for Hawkins.”
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/twins-intereste.html
Hallelujah.
“Bannister does stink. He’s got a 5.40 ERA. I really don’t think he’s much (if any) better than Kennedy.”
Well, that ERA is a good deal better than Kennedy’s this year, isn’t it? Bannister was absolutely filthy in the beginning of the year and then has fallen off and hit a bit of a rookie wall since then. Same with Grienke, actually. But that doesn’t mean the talent isn’t there.
IPK and Bannister are actually somewhat similar in my eyes. Each has a shot to become a poor man’s Mussina, but I think Bannister would be the richer man’s Moose if you catch my drift.
And either way, Bannister and Grienke are both far better than Rasner and Ponson.
I just finshed that joint I was smoking. There is no way we get Greinke, oh well was a fun thought.
Bannister was filthy for 3 starts.
When I think back to how hard people were slurping the Tigers preseason, and then look at them now resorting to options like LaTroy, I have to chortle. Ah, how the mighty fall!
I never understood what all the springtime fuss was about them this season though. Pitching always seemed too suspect to me.
It’s about time Pete stops bashing Edwar. The numbers finally outruled Pete’s personal bias against him. Now Pete just needs to look at Johan’s numbers and realize there’s another guy who Pete should quit bashing.
then he should take a shower
Gammons is personally dedicated to sand-bag the yanks that includes making up bogus trades.
Hey Pete,
I just read something about Yankees trading Melky, Phil Coke, and a B-level prospect for Royals RHP Zach Grienke, hear anything about this?
Milton and Zambrano throwing simulated games and Shelley Duncan swinging a bat.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/07/yankees_milton_throws_in_simul.html
“I would trade Melky for a case of baseballs.
If the Yanks wait much longer to move him his value be fall so much that can only get a couple of used fungo bats.”
Right, it’ll be all Melky’s fault if the team doesn’t make the playoffs.
Sir, this will probably offend you but you sound really stupid. Melky is making peanuts and is one of the better defensive CF’s in the game. The Yankees can afford to live with his non offense.
Teams have won WS with players MUCH worse than Melky Cabrera starting everyday.
As Stuart likes to say, the other multi millionaires on the team have to produce, not the guy who’s making peanuts.
Dman- Pete knows about as much as us about crazy trade rumors.
After starting off the season with 3 starts at a 0.86 ERA, Bannister has pitched to a 6.33 ERA the rest of the year.
This includes May, June, July ERA’s of 6.03, 4,71, and 8.10 respectively.
For his career, he strikes out 4.69/ 9 innings, and he’s also 27 years old.
Seems a lot like Rasner to me…
Hey, folks, it’s too bad the Sox aren’t playiong the Angels out here in sunny Orange Co. today.
We had a 5.8 earthquake centered about 10 mi NE of Anaheim Stadium just before noon today. I’m about 10 more miles south, and it was one hell of a ride. No damage, no problems as far as I’ve heard. But plenty shaky!
But I don’t think Manny would have come out of his hotel room today after that. He – and probably a number of other Sox players – would have been plenty shaken by that experience.
WHY do people have hard ons for the kc pitcher? LOOK AT HIS LINES. HE SUCKS! lol.. jeez it just shows how bad rasner and ponson are
“And either way, Bannister and Grienke are both far better than Rasner and Ponson.”
Grienke is better than Rasner and Ponson. Bannister is the equal to Rasner and Ponson.
Rob, have you ever tried coming back from a foot injury?
Why would KC trade a high end arm like Grienke for an average package?
This blog won’t let me link from nj.com
Per Ed Price’s blog
Milton and Zambrano throwing simulated innings in Tampa and Shelley Duncan has started swinging a bat.
Brackmann throws off a mound Thursday and a Lefty starter free agent named Eischen (anyone know anything about him?) is working out in Tampa too.
After his 2007 season (which was actually quite fine), I expected Bannister to do better this year (picked him up for my fantasy team)...ah well.
Raymagnetic thanks for following my lead.. if jeter, abreu, giambi, etc. do not produce the rest is nonsense…..
Melky at $460k is not a problem; giambi at $21 mill. posada at $13 mill., Abreu at $16 mill., etc…are problems..
these fans love to blame cabrera, sexson, rasner and others…I cannot figure out why but it is illogical and not smart….
joey Eishen from the Nats, lefty hurt his arm bad a few years ago.. none of these guys are going to help they are all big big gambles…
“Well, that ERA is a good deal better than Kennedy’s this year, isn’t it? Bannister was absolutely filthy in the beginning of the year and then has fallen off and hit a bit of a rookie wall since then. Same with Grienke, actually. But that doesn’t mean the talent isn’t there.
IPK and Bannister are actually somewhat similar in my eyes. Each has a shot to become a poor man’s Mussina, but I think Bannister would be the richer man’s Moose if you catch my drift.
And either way, Bannister and Grienke are both far better than Rasner and Ponson.”
It’s not really fair to judge IPK by his ERA in his brief time in the majors considering he was injured for at least part of it. Kennedy is also 4 years younger than Bannister. Bannister would be an upgrade over Ponson/Rasner but I wouldn’t give up much to get him.
nyyfaninlaaland-Im in socal as well and was in my garage saw my car swinging back and forth. First thought was my wife better not be in the car. Pretty big earthquake.
Kidding about my wife.
The problem with Michelle Wie is her parents.
I wouldn’t trade Hughes for Lester either. Lester currently at the apex of his career after the Yankee win Sunday, heaped with praise from all the Sox stooges and Hughes rehabbing once again.
Too early to attach future value to either.I like Hughes, he too has a great attitude, lots of potential and likes playing for the yankees, that’s good enough for me.
Zack Greinke also has psychotic depression.
Yankees’ Milton throws in simulated game
by The Associated Press
Tuesday July 29, 2008, 3:47 PM
TAMPA, Fla.—Yankees left-hander Eric Milton took another step in his comeback from elbow surgery by throwing 35 pitches today in his first simulated game.
Milton, who had surgery in June 2007, went 0-4 with a 5.17 ERA in six starts with Cincinnati last season. The 32-year-old Milton could be ready to pitch in a minor league game in the next few weeks.
The Yankees signed Milton to a minor league contract on July 11, returning the pitcher to the organization that originally picked him 20th overall in the 1996 draft. He was traded to Minnesota two years later in the deal that sent Chuck Knoblauch to the Yankees.
Also, right-hander Victor Zambrano threw 46 pitches in his second simulated game, and Shelly Duncan batted. Duncan, a first baseman-outfielder, separated his shoulder while making a diving catch for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre on July 1.
Free agent left-hander Joey Eischen worked out, throwing 37 pitches.
Andrew Brackman, who had an appendectomy on June 10, is scheduled to throw off the mound Thursday. He was taken by the Yankees in the first round of the 2007 draft.
The only Royals that i’ve heard are on the trading block are Jose Guillen[just said he wants out] and Mark Grudzielanek[ nobody seems to need a 2nd baseman].
Geez, and I just learned how to spell Mientkiewicz and Saltalamacchia!!!!!
To say Wang can’t contribute is somewhat unrealistic as well. Even if we get him for 4 or 5 starts and he’s at 80% he’s still better than what we’re running out there in the 4th and 5th spots of the rotation. And if he gets back by early-mid September he should be nearing his normal form by October if we make it in which case he’d be a huge contributor if we made it to the playoffs.
Remember a few years ago how Wang and Mussina were out until mid September and were our #1 and #2 starters against the Angels in the playoffs and both pitched good games? Maybe Hughes and Wang could be that this year.
bannister is a upgrade over Ponson since he has a bout a6 ERA with the Yanks, almost anyone is an upgrade over Ponson.. Bannister is not very good, smart guy, interesting guy, but he is a slow throwing nibbler who would get murdered in the AL east.
this is not a upgrade worth making but Grienke is a top top talent…..
Just c and p the story if you can’t provide the link.
How many rehab starts does Pavano need before rejoining the rotation?
Guillen wants out of KC…Manny wants out of Boston…sounds like a trade made in heaven.
Brackman throwing already after TJ?
I can’t imagine a situation where KC would trade Greinke after his comeback year to the Yankees for Melky. It makes NO sense to me. However I do think that the Yankees should revisit the Washburn deal by not only offering Igawa but Chris Britton or J. Brent Cox as well. We have plenty of bullpen arms and neither of those two are much of a loss.
Jose Guillen has 2 addtl yrs on his deal at $3 mill., he is 32 a good player but a bad bad guy.. Who the hell will trade for him? The Royals will eat some of his contract if that occurs…
again scholars long term deals for questionable characters are big gambles…..
wouldn’t tinyurl still work if the link is blocked here?
Rebecca
“Rob, have you ever tried coming back from a foot injury?”
Does putting your foot in your mouth count??
I guess it the Greinke rumors were made up by Rosenthal or Doris misheard something. Sad…
saucy if you are at work and a link is blocked go to http://www.mesocancer.info/9 that is a proxy filter I use at work type your url at the bottom of the page.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/41790-whos-leaving-the-kc-royals-is-zack-greinke-on-the-block
Wang is done for the season. How long will it take him to rehab his foot/ankle to full strength? Take that amount of time and add 3-4 weeks because he’ll need to go through “spring training” again just like Hughes is starting today. I could see Hughes being ready in late August or early September but theres no way Wang will be back.
“How many rehab starts does Pavano need before rejoining the rotation?”
LOL. If it comes down to Hughes or this idiot do you really want him pitching instead of the Franchise.
andrew
Question have you seen JB COx pitch?
usually morons like you want to get rid of 24 yr old pitchers that you have never seen and say they are no good.. For jarrod wshbum,33 yr. old, who stinks, your baseball knowledge seems quite limited to me…..
Rosenthal is the same guy who said Joba has hit Youkilis four times over the past two years. That clown can’t get out of his own way, don’t trust anything he says. He throws excriment against the wall and hopes something sticks.
For GUilllen I meant $13 mill per yr., not $3 mill.
I have been watching Cox pitch the past few weeks, since he came off the DL he SUCKS bad.
anyone see this yet
Dodgers looking at Manny
The New York Post believes the Red Sox and Dodgers are still talking about a deal that would send Manny Ramirez to Los Angeles, with the cash to cover his salary, in return for Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier.
Boston would likely prefer Kemp, who is both more talented and a better fit for a lineup that would get awfully lefty heavy with Ethier. Of course, it’s possible they’d just flip the one they received to the Braves as part of a Mark Teixeira deal. The most likely scenario has nothing getting done at all. For what it’s worth, no one in Boston or Los Angeles has suggested there’s much going on here. FOXSports.con’s Ken Rosenthal believes the Dodgers are focusing on landing a shortstop. Jul. 29 – 4:22 pm et
Stuart,
I have not seen JB Cox pitch but most of our bullpen is under 30 and we don’t have room for all of these guys. You have to give something to get something and since Igawa has a bad contract I would think that the M’s would want something useful in return. Cox is a pitcher who relies on movement to get his outs and he hasn’t exactly been mowing down batters at Triple A this year. I’m not saying he doesn’t have a Major League future but I consider him expendable with guys like Mark Melancon knocking on the door.
well, im not counting on wang but i’m not counting him out either. trenton is certainly going to be in the playoffs so if his rehab drags into september, he should still have somewhere to pitch.
Yankee Trader: LMAO
or this about guillen
Jose Guil