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Home cooking doesn’t suit the Yankees

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 29, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Get this, the Yankees are 4-10 at home against the Orioles, Indians, Tigers and Reds.

Those teams are 74-124 (.374) against everybody else on the road. If the Yankees don’t make the playoffs, it’ll be because they didn’t take care of business at the Stadium.

They play 32 of their final 54 games on the road. You can’t lose so many games to bad teams at home. It makes your job so much tougher when you go away.

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187 Responses to “Home cooking doesn’t suit the Yankees”

  1. Redding July 29th, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Should we be sellers at the deadline now?

  2. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 29th, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    They need to cut the crap

  3. FIRE GIRARDI! HIRE WILLIE!!! July 29th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Sell sell. DO IT!!! GET prospects and legos.

  4. From LAX (yanks fan) July 29th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    I just made a $100 bet with my buddy that orioles will win tomorrow.

  5. Dan July 29th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    This helter skelter stuff needs to end. It will tomorrow Joba’s on the mound they’ll win 5-2.

  6. Jack Nicholson July 29th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Angels vs. Mets!

    World Series 2008!

    Angels sweep Mets!

  7. fred from jersey July 29th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    fire meacham and long

  8. PJH July 29th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Someone needs to plant a fastball in Millar’s back. Ahem…..Joba. If not Millar, Huff.

  9. Yankeefanfoev13 July 29th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    I know everyone says theres still plenty of games left and we look like a playoff team.

    But this team too inconsistent this just was a bad loss all around no other way to explain it like Peter said alot of ppl to blame..

  10. Dan July 29th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    It’s not about hitting players and intimidation PJH…

    It’s about executing. They had plenty of chances to chase Daniel Cabrera out of the game and they failed. Then the ump gave them a break but by that time the bullpen and Joe Girardi had already sabotaged the game. Keeping in Wilson Betemit…what are you thinking?

  11. stf July 29th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    “fire meacham and long”

    I COULDN’T SAY IT BETTER!

  12. PJH July 29th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    That was probably the dumbest bet you could have taken. Statistically speaking. The momentum from the 4 run 9th should be a nice boost for tomorrow. Look for a Joba to try and grab one by the throat.

    Im calling 7.1IP 11K 5H 2BB 1R, 8-1 Yankee win. I hope you lose 100 bucks.

  13. Bob(The Original) July 29th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    This team may make the playoffs. I don’t think they will, but they might.

    But, I think we can all agree that this team does not have what it takes to win in the playoffs.

    So best case is another first round exit.

  14. Redding July 29th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    IMO, all the good from the 8 game win streak is gone. Even if we win tomorrow, it’s nothing to be proud of to “salvage” the final game home against Baltimore. And if we lose tomorrow going into the Angels series, then our season is on the line, especially looking at the pitching matchups.

  15. Pat M. July 29th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    We had an sizable earthquake out here in Southern California this morning….Then came the aftershock, the Angels bagged Texeria…..This just in time for their invasion of the Bronx……

  16. PittsburghYankeeFan July 29th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Let’s say their home/away game split approximates their winning percentage for the rest of the season:

    34-22 leaves them 92-70. This has the potential to go to the last week of the season against a dead Baltimore team and the Sox on the road in Boston. Nip and tuck. 1949 anyone? 1978?

  17. PJH July 29th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    I could see a Long dismissal. After all, he is the hitting coach and the hitters have been inconsistent. A change might help. Barry Bonds anyone? J/K

  18. Bob(The Original) July 29th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Tomorrow isn’t the game I’m concerned with.

    Odds are we’ll probably win it.

    It’s the 4 after it. We know how the Angles own us. Plus 2 of the games will be started by Ponson and Rasner. Everything we did after the break could very likely be undone by Sunday evening.

  19. Bronx Jeers July 29th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Wow Washburn really did pinch run and score. I thought they were kidding. I think Cashman should fold and get him. Like they don’t need a starter for next year. 10 mil. I think they spent about 120 on Igawa, Wright and pavano. We’ll need Washburns arm this year too if we want to have a chance. Be like Starskey and Do it.

  20. DanKirby July 29th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Fire all the coaches!
    Trade all the players!
    Tear down the stadium! (Oh, wait…)

  21. CaptainsCorner July 29th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    In the off season Cashman is definitely going to have to get a CFer. How much longer does Melky have to prove that he can’t hit major league pitching? Girardi should play Christian in CF for a couple of days and see if maybe he can get some lucky hits because Melky is a joke already.

    Also Cashman HAS to get a starting pitcher before the trade deadline is over..otherwise the Yanks really have no chance this year. If Pet/Muss/ or Joba lose any of there starts then the Yanks are in big trouble because the Yanks do not have the offense to score 6 runs or more for Ponson and Rasners starts. Even though Rasner was good today.

  22. Dan July 29th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    I could see them losing Bobby Meachem but Kevin Long isn’t going anywhere right now.

    Doing this would just be putting a tiny bandaid if that on a gunshot wound. It’s just a move to placate fans it wouldn’t do anything tangible in terms of wins and losses.

  23. Paulie July 29th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    The Yankees just can’t stand prosperity Every time you think they are on a real tear they lose to the last place team. Whether it be the Orioles, or Royals or the Pirates.
    And of course they do it at home. It’s hard to believe that this team will beat the Angles this week.They just seem to want to be a .500 team

  24. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 29th, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    The Yankees have to figure out how to win against bad teams, and more importantly, how to rebound after a loss.

  25. Dan July 29th, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Rebecca,

    They’ll figure it out tomorrow: Joba is becoming our ace and stopper. Such a good feeling to have after some bad losses to see him out there.

  26. DFox July 29th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    This losing streak is not nearly as bad as it seems. I think if Joba can get them back on track tomorrow, they’ll be fine.

    And no matter how bad the loosing seems, they’ve gotten lucky and haven’t lost much ground.

    I don’t really worry about the Rays. The amount of runs they put up makes the runs the Yankees score seem overpowering.

  27. Bronx Jeers July 29th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    “So best case is another first round exit.”

    If they make it, they got a chance in the first round.
    If Joba really is what he seems to be and if pettite is his usual playoff self. They can easily find themselves up 2-0 in the first round. They need to do what they can to get there.
    Cashman…… Do It.

  28. Wangawa July 29th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    There was a Giambi mustache reference on the Colbert Report, by the way

  29. Guiseppe Franco July 29th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    I said this was coming on Sunday.

    It was a combination of the “Boston hangover” and the Yanks’ unexplainable problems with the Orioles the last couple of years.

  30. Brian July 29th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    A few comments:
    * Phil Hughes pitched 3 scoreless innings for Charleston tonight.
    * Carl Pavano pitched 2 scoreless innings for Charleston tonight. As much as I despise Pavano, I would welcome him back in a second if he takes Ponson’s spot in the rotation.
    * Agreed Melky is much more the problem then the answer.
    * Betemit is a disaster.
    * Is there any update on Wang’s timetable? That could be the key to the season.
    * So far NAdy and Marte haven’t exactly been stellar. Cashman would have been better served to focus on the most glaring need, starting pitching. Nady is a nice player but no star. Marte is a bit overrated most posters here. 3.40 career era with 4bb/9 ip.

  31. Dan July 29th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    I’m with you on this DFox. However also they need to at least split with the Angels after a win tomorrow…hopefully they win tomorrow. I’d like three out of four at home against LAA but they’re the best team in baseball right now and they just added Mark Teixeira.

  32. Dan July 29th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    Wang’s injury has healed and their optimistic outlook is September but I wouldn’t count on it. I wouldn’t want to rush him and lose him for all of next season as well so I’d be careful.

  33. Bob(The Original) July 29th, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    I said this was coming on Sunday.

    It was a combination of the “Boston hangover” and the Yanks’ unexplainable problems with the Orioles the last couple of years.

    Some of it you just have to say “law of averages.” You win 8 in a row, you’re going to lose a few. That’s how I was thinking the past 2 nights.

    But this loss tonight was just completelyl frustrating.

    They seem to have fallen right into their bad habits at the plate already.

    They can’t play when they are comfortable it seems.

  34. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut July 29th, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    Things don’t look very rosy for the Red Sox. Things with Manny are getting nasty and he is pushing them hard to trade him.

    They are almost at a point where they have to trade him. Fining him, sitting him, suspending him will do nothing to help the team. It will only have Manny sharpen his resolve to dog it.

    Anyone still really want him on the Yankees?

  35. Paulio July 30th, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Who cares about the Sox or the Rays or anyone else. If we can’t take care of business we don’t deserve a playoff shot.

  36. CaptainsCorner July 30th, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Honestly the Nady AND Marte deal really made no sense to me if Cashman wasn’t definitely trading for a starting pitcher. They are both nice to have for next year but a starting pitcher was there biggest need for this year. Nady was needed because the team can’t score at all but Marte was a luxury that you add to a team that has everything else they need. Cashman should just get on the phone with the Mariners and give them a decent prospect and stop playing chicken.

  37. Wow July 30th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    Great Post, Pete…and a glaring example of how this team totally lacks the foundation to do anything against teams that will be WAY better than the Orioles, Indians, Tigers and Reds.

  38. Wow July 30th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    …come playoff time, IF there is a Yankees 2008 playoff time at all…

  39. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut July 30th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    You never know how a trade will work for a team though. Sometimes a player just doesn’t fit.

    That isn’t to say that Teixeira or Nady and Marte will be bad, but switching teams and leagues can turn into a Gagne.

  40. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    guys good teams like the ANgels beat bad teams.. Look at the Angels there run differential is worse then the A’s a team they lead by 11 games in the standings….

    If the yanks just played better against; pitt., KC, balt. and Cincy they would be in first place..

    gain look at the run diff… the yanks think the yare better then they are, they need to beat bad teams,especially at home…if that is not a head shaker what is????

  41. Dan July 30th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    CaptainsCorner,

    You act like Washburn is a significant upgrade. He’s very mediocre. A flyball pitcher in a pitcher’s park.

  42. GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    You just have to enjoy the Ms Cleo posters like the Hair Dresser who sees everything. He posts doom and gloom about everything, then when 1 out of a 1,000 comes through, that’s the one the troll crows about.

  43. Guiseppe Franco July 30th, 2008 at 12:04 am

    The Red Sox will not trade Manny in the middle of a pennant race. He’ll just go about his normal Manny business and mash the rest of the season.

    But I wouldn’t expect him to be with the Red Sox next season.

    And I’ll be extremely happy about that. No matter who replaces him next season will never come close to Manny’s stature of being one of the biggest Yankee killers of all time.

  44. Back Bench July 30th, 2008 at 12:04 am

    “Anyone still really want him on the Yankees?

    Can he play CF? This team is sooooo close to taking the division – not because it is that good, but because the RS and TB are just as flawed, if not more so.

    With the RS losing consistently to the LAA, the window of opportunity is being held open for us whether we deserve it or not.

  45. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 12:06 am

    captains corner what are you talking about?/ Nady gives them a OF’er for next yr. and allows them to get rid of Abreu if the ywant to and he is cheap..

    Marte gives them an arm for next year also.. Neither of those guys are rental, they were great moves.. Again Washbum(it is not Washburn) the guy is better then Ponson but then again so are about 125 starters at present….

  46. Fredo Corleone July 30th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    “guys good teams like the ANgels beat bad teams”

    Halos are 41-18 vs. teams .500 or better
    and 25-22 vs. teams under .500

  47. JGNYC July 30th, 2008 at 12:08 am

    I see no problem with Rasner tonight, hence, “No Blame” there. Pointing the finger at him isn’t right. This one was on Marte. The offense is patient with starters, gets into the bullpen, and does the damage there. Marte let them blow the game open. Mo can give up a solo homer here or there. It happens. But Marte can’t give up 3 hits and a walk with men already on base. Pete, if you’re going to put blame out there, put the blame where it belongs. Marte is supposedly better than this, and he’ll have his shots at redemption. But this one is clearly on him.

  48. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Fredo look at there run differential they do not actually kill teams.. Do me a favor Fredo what is the Yanks record against under and over 500 teams???

    thanks….

  49. fred from jersey July 30th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    “The offense is patient with starters, gets into the bullpen, and does the damage there. ”

    not this year. nope.

  50. Fredo Corleone July 30th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    “That isn’t to say that Teixeira or Nady and Marte will be bad, but switching teams and leagues can turn into a Gagne.”

    Marte will be fine. He’s pitched plenty in the AL previously. Teix will be fine too. Nady is another matter. He’s never been in the AL and he was overachieving in a big way in the NL this year.

  51. E-Man July 30th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    If the Yankees don’t make the playoffs, it’ll be because they didn’t take care of business at the Stadium.

    No.

    It’ll be because they didn’t go after Johan Santana in the offseason or CC Sabathia during the season.
    They wanted to play small market and have two rookies in the rotation to start off the year.
    They hired a manager who is still learning on the job.
    They have faith in Sidney Ponson and Darrel Rasner.
    The offense has been garbage.
    Jeter has become “The double play”.
    We have easy outs in every lineup (3 tonight)

    But we still have a chance at it as long as Tampa and Boston continue to play like crap also.

  52. Guiseppe Franco July 30th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    Guess what, GI Joe. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

    I’m not at all a gloom and doom poster. Never have been. Never will be.

    In fact, I almost always avoid this boards when the Yanks lose because too many idiots talk such nonsense and need to be talked from the ledge.

    That said, I also don’t pretend to ignore history.

    And history has clearly shown that the Yanks have had problems with the O’s the last couple of years and they always seem to suffer letdowns after a Red Sox series.

    Call that gloom and doom if you wish, but you’d be wrong. It’s just stating the facts and trends that have happened time and time again in recent years.

    If you want to debate me on the issues – fine. I’ll be happy to have that debate with you.

    But you’re some kind of arrogant jackass for whatever reason so you’re not really worth the trouble.

  53. CaptainsCorner July 30th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    “You act like Washburn is a significant upgrade. He’s very mediocre. A flyball pitcher in a pitcher’s park.”

    I think that Washburn is a big upgrade. That is sad because it says how bad Ponson and Rasner(before his last 2 starts) have been. Washburn has a 2.80 era in his last 10 starts. Does anyone really think the Yanks can send Ponson and Rasner out there for the next 2 months and win games? I would of took his Sunday start against Toronto in a second instead of the one Ponson gave us… 8 innings and 1 run!!

  54. PJH July 30th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Manny could be traded to Philly.

    This would be great for Yankees fans. Manny leaves Sox, crushes Mets.

  55. Fredo Corleone July 30th, 2008 at 12:18 am

    Fredo what is the Yanks record against under and over 500 teams???

    By my count: 34-29 vs. .500 or better, 24-19 vs. sub .500

  56. CaptainsCorner July 30th, 2008 at 12:19 am

    Nady will be fine. It is going to take some time though for him to get used to these pitchers. It took Tex and Cabrera some time also. I am sure everyone knows how the Yanks NEVER hit any pitchers that they have never seen before…well that is exactly what he is going threw.

  57. Guiseppe Franco July 30th, 2008 at 12:21 am

    I don’t think Washburn would be a big upgrade either.

    Sure, he’s probably a better option than Rasner or Ponson – but he’d be marginally better. He certainly won’t be $14M dollars better.

    He’s pitched well the last couple of months, but he is essentially the 4.50 – 4.75 ERA back end rotation guy that his stats say he is.

    He’s hot right now, but he’ll cool off.

  58. Dan July 30th, 2008 at 12:21 am

    CaptainsCorner,

    I know what you mean about Rasner and Ponson. I share your frustration.

    However I will say that the Yankees will probably have better in-house options for starting pitching than Jarrod Washburn in the near future. You are right in that he has done a nice job getting his ERA down from 6.99 to 4.50, which is what it is now. But I’m looking at Jarrod from the perspective of his career averages: We’re looking at a 4.20 to a 4.50 ERA. Even though he has a 2.80 ERA in his last ten starts given his large career body of work it’s hard to see that trend continuing. He is what he is.

    This is where I’m going with this: It’s perhaps a better idea to wait on Ian Kennedy and let him go out there at 100 percent than to let Jarrod Washburn pitch and yield a prospect of value. If they win out against Seattle and give up next to nothing in a salary dump I won’t complain. Otherwise I just think it’s a little counter productive and arbitrary, to be perfectly honest.

  59. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Fredo thanks… so they are 5 over against both good teams and bad…

    fredo why do you think the Yanks lose to teams like baltimore, kc, cincy, and others?/ Am I mistaken or during the run didn’t they destroy teams like this?

    thanks for the info, BTW where did you find this I cannot seem to find it on baseball reference..

  60. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 30th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    PJH
    July 30th, 2008 at 12:15 am
    Manny could be traded to Philly.

    This would be great for Yankees fans. Manny leaves Sox, crushes Mets.

    Some poster said this on Saturday ;) ;)

  61. Fredo Corleone July 30th, 2008 at 12:24 am

    “Nady will be fine. It is going to take some time though for him to get used to these pitchers”

    If by fine, you mean the .275-.280, 17-18 homer, 70 RBI guy he’s always been, I agree. The .330 this year was an aberration though, IMO.

  62. GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Actually, Hair Dresser, the Orioles have only been giving the Yankees trouble over the last two years. Before that NYY owned them for a decade. The Yanks last losing season against Baltimore was 1997. Try not ignoring that history.

  63. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    IF the sux trade manny I would be suprised but impressed with boston….

    I do not know why anyone would trade for him, he will be a FA in 2 months and I think the market for Manny has come down…

    he is 36, a bad fielder in a real ballpark, and a nut case..

  64. Redding July 30th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    IMO, the offense is what will eventually bring this team down.

  65. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2008 at 12:29 am

    Thoughts:

    Had Rasner not come out to pitch the seventh, I bet this would have been a comeback win for us. He already did his job and kept the game close.

    Kevin Millar is killing us and is a FA. Trade Betemit to the Orioles to play SS for them and get Millar. His stats aren’t great, but he’s a winner.

    The Yankees and the Braves have had more key extended injuries than any other teams in baseball. The Braves are sellers and out of it. Amazingly we are still in it despite losing Matsui, Posada, and Wang ,plus Hughes.

    7 games against the Angels in the next 12 days, and a very difficult road schedule coming up August 4th.

    Based on our remaining schedule, and how we do against the likes of KC, Toronto,Tampa Bay and Baltimore, the only easy games we have left are Sept. 5th,6th, and 7th against Seattle.

    Do you believe in miracles, because unlike last year when the team was healthy, this year we need a miracle.
    Will it come in the way of some pitching help, and pixie dust sprayed on our bats??

  66. CaptainsCorner July 30th, 2008 at 12:30 am

    There is really no reason to think that Kennedy is ready to pitch in the majors now…what would of changed in 2 months? He was dreadful before he got hurt. Throwing 100 pitches in 4 innings, walking the ball park, nibbling and when he did throw strikes with his 80 mph fastball he would get hammered. If Cashman can bring up someone from the minors instead of making a trade then fine, but I don’t see Kennedy being successful this year.

  67. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 12:30 am

    Fredo but if Nady is what he always has been he is a upgrade over what they had if he actually has turned the corner at 29 and become a even better player then it is a bonus…

    the Yanks were not getting 275 from gardner, christian, or any of there other OF options…..

    Chrstian a speed guy of the bench is a plus over the bench of the last few years, it can come in handy on occasion…

  68. Fredo Corleone July 30th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    Stuart:

    Baseballreference.com breaks schedules down by team played. Simple addition from there.

    Can’t explain the lsoing to weaker teams thing. I do think the weaker teams, in particular Texas, KC and Balt are nowhere near as weak as they’ve been in recent years.

  69. Dan July 30th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    C.C,

    He was VERY good in September of 2007. I’m going to chalk up his stint in 2008 to a possible injury while pitching and a mechanical flaw that caused him to throw across his body that has since been corrected.

  70. fred from jersey July 30th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    “Kevin Millar is killing us and is a FA. Trade Betemit to the Orioles to play SS for them and get Millar. His stats aren’t great, but he’s a winner.”

    if this ended with

    his stats arent great but its ok because we are sending him to play in mexico just to get rid of him.

    then sure lets do it. but wtf you want to play millar on the NY Yankees?? gtfo.

  71. miggs (NO to Teixeira) July 30th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    The Hair Dresser in full effect.

    Take a break guy.

    You’re dominating the thread with your nonsense.

  72. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Where would Millar play? The yanks have the record for 1b/Dh at about 9.. Also just because Millar kills the yanks does not mean he is any good.. he plays everday and is hitting 245 with an OBP of 340.. Again just because a guy does good against the Yanks does not mean he is any good……

    I would like at least 1 yankee pitcher to maybe god forbid throw a fastball inside on Millar in my lifetime…….

  73. Dan Giese's Uncle July 30th, 2008 at 12:34 am

    Nady will be fine but obviously not the whole solution. If he catches fire that would be a pretty sweet bonus. Damon hopefully keep up the good work competing for LF. Maybe add some lightning bolts to his sleeve to make his throwing arm seem more powerful.

  74. Guiseppe Franco July 30th, 2008 at 12:34 am

    I’m with you, Dan. I’d rather see them find an option from within the organization.

    The players that have really had huge impacts on the team in recent years has been the kids.

    Cano and Wang in 2005. Melky in 2006. Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy in 2007 – even Shelley Duncan to some degree.

    I’d wait and bring up Kennedy and/or Aceves in a week or two.

    In another month, Hughes might be ready to go. He pitched very well last season coming back from his injuries – especially in September and October.

    They are only 4 games out of first and 2 games out in the WC. They can afford to be patient for a little while longer and insert options from within the system.

  75. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Giuseppe

    I agreee with you that Washburn is not worth the investment and he might cool off. Look at Mussina, he certainly cooled off this week. Was it an aberration, an off day, or is he going thru the “dead arm” period. He had a bad month last year and we can’t afford a bad month from any of our top three with this schedule.

    We need a starter, better than Ponson, and more reliable than Rasner ASAP. Hughes and Wang and even Pavano will not be back soon enough. So spend the money on Washburn if he’s the best you can get, bring up Kennedy now and pray a lot.

  76. miggs (NO to Teixeira) July 30th, 2008 at 12:39 am

    To think Washburn wouldn’t be an upgrade over Rasner AND/OR Ponson is ridiculous.

    I think Kennedy should get a shot, but right now there are 2 gaping holes in the rotation in my opinion, and Washbiurn would fill one of those nicely.

    A 4.50 ERA from your 5th starter is more than acceptable. Take away Ranser’s first 4 starts and his ERA is over 6. Ponson is a joke. WAshburn can only help.

  77. Fredo Corleone July 30th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    “Fredo but if Nady is what he always has been he is a upgrade over what they had if he actually has turned the corner at 29 and become a even better player then it is a bonus”

    Agree he’s a significant upgrade over Gardner. Not sure about the turning the corner thing. He got off to a fast start with 9 homers and 45 RBI over 228 April and May plate appearances, but only 4 and 13 in over 145 PA’s in June and July (he missed a couple weeks injured). Jury’s out on that.

  78. Guiseppe Franco July 30th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    Take a break guy.

    You’re dominating the thread with your nonsense.

    Speaking of nonsense, go back to an earlier thread about Zack Greinke and see how moronic your argument was the other night.

    Most everyone would jump at the chance to get him. But you’re too brainless to understand something so obvious.

    You’re the guy who said Greinke wouldn’t even crack the Yankee rotation in 2009, so you’re opinion is meaningless.

  79. GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Miggs, there’ll be no response from The Hair Dresser, since he was shown a different kind of history….the true history.

  80. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 30th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Nady right (IMO is overrated) that’s for nor now, IDK what he adds to this team once he gets his feet wet but right now I’d rather have Jose Tabata still in Trenton :(

  81. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Hah, Guiseppe Franco has a potty mouth.

  82. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Chad Jennings website said and the manager Miley said Kennedy looked real good. His #’s have been very good. who the hell do you believe and what do you believe.. Ponson I know is not the answer and why would they send him out there in 3 or 4 days???

    Why not try Kennedy????

  83. pat July 30th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Odds of Pete writing a Girardi lies column tomorrow?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07.....ref=sports

  84. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 30th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Nady right now(IMO is overrated) that’s for now *

  85. miggs (NO to Teixeira) July 30th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Yankee Trader come on, Moose had one bad start after 5-6 consecutive GREAT starts. His ERA in is the mid 3s even after last night. Let’s not jump off a bridge here until he has 2-3 more bad starts.

    Washburn is a big asset. He’s a lefty starter and can be moved in the offseason if need be. The bottom line is that he’s needed this year. Worry about next year in November.

  86. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Fredo again on Nady, I know he is not a superstar that is not the issue.. He is a workmanlike(whatever that means) middle of the road OF’er… He is decent in the field, appears to have professional AB’s(work the count ), and has occasional power.. The yanks presently have OF’ers with 7, 7, and 11 Hr’s if I am correct…

    He is an upgrade and the yanks have won with the likes of chad curtis and others in the outfield and I think he is better then CUrtis and the Karim garcia’s of the world….

  87. miggs (NO to Teixeira) July 30th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Franco is a moron, plain and simple.

    He vastly overrates Greinke, a guy who has yet to put together a great (or even very good) season. Just look at the guy’s numbers.

    And you want to trade Cano for him, a premier 2nd baseman and lifetime .300 hitter who hasn’t even come close to hitting his prime.

    Who’s opinion do you think is more meaningless? I bring quality analysis to this blog all the time, all ylou do is spout off at the mouth and bring nothing to back up your nonsense.

    You’re a Yankee fan and a troll at the same time. Crawl back in your hole.

  88. pat July 30th, 2008 at 12:48 am

    Brandon

    Whether the potential of Tabata will be better than Nady/Marte won’t be known for 2-3 years. Until then how about rooting for the laundry and the people currently in it. If I told you so’s are in order in 2011, get back to us then. :smile:

  89. wowzer July 30th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    “If the Yankees don’t make the playoffs, it’ll be because they didn’t take care of business at the Stadium.”

    Let’s see how incorrect you are this time

    Here’s a list of more important factors that would better explain the yankees possible missing the postseason:

    1. Jorge Posada missed a huge chunk of the season. Therefore, Jose Molina’s terrible bat is getting way too many at-bats.

    2. Chien Ming Wang has missed most of the season with a foot injury.

    3. Sidney Ponson is one of the Yankee starters.

    4. Hideki Matsui has missed a large number of games, and could possibly miss the rest of the season.

    5. Phil Hughes and Ian kennedy have had disastrous seasons.

    6. Damon, ARod, and Jeter have been banged up, incluidng DL trips for Damon and ARod.

    7. Jeter is having the worst season of his career.

    8. Bobby Abreu’s decline has continued, and his defense is arguably the worst RF defense in the AL.

    9. Cano had his typical first half slump.

    10. Melky has been a pretty big disappointment.

    11. The bottom third of the lineup consisted of the names “Cabrera-Gardner-Molina” way too often in July.

    12. Wilson betemit has been terrible.

    13. Morgan Ensberg was awful when ARod was out.

    14. Latroy Hawkins.

    15. Girardi benches the regulars too much.

    Ok so those are just off the top of my head. They are in no particular order, but they are all better factors in why the Yankees might not make the playoffs than the “they don’t play well enough at home” claim. Where was your rant about poor home performance 2 days ago? The Yankees had won 10 consecutive home games prior to this current Baltimore series. Now they lose 2 home games and “poor home performance” is the best explanation you can come up with for why the Yankees might miss the playoffs? Sheesh. Dig a little deeper.

  90. GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2008 at 12:50 am

    As much as I’ve liked the wins that Ponson and Rasner have given the Yanks, if picking up a left hander like Washburn to insert into the rotation behind Mussina and in front of either Ponson or Rasner (until one of the rehabbers comes back), the opposing lineups won’t see the same type of pitcher two nights in a row, w/Chamberlain, Pettitte, Mussina, Washburn and the survivor in the 5th spot. That has to be an advantage.

  91. Fredo Corleone July 30th, 2008 at 12:50 am

    Miggs:

    I’d agree you can’t trade Cano for Greinke. However, you can’t expect ot send garbage like Melky, Coke and minor league roster filler for him either.

  92. michael george July 30th, 2008 at 12:51 am

    “But, I think we can all agree that this team does not have what it takes to win in the playoffs.”

    The 2006 Cardinals won 83 games. They won the world series.

    Once you make the playoffs, you can win, even if you are a fluke.

  93. Redding July 30th, 2008 at 12:53 am

    Girardi needs to stop lying, it is clearly bringing the team down.

    He did not lie during the 8 game win streak. He has lied the past 3games.

  94. Jorge Tabata July 30th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    What about Paul Byrd or Odalis Perez?

  95. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 12:55 am

    Fredo the last point on Nady is he gives them a cheap legit insurance for the outfield for next year. I actually believe this may be his biggest benefit. If they do not want to resign Abreu I pass unless it is 1 yr with a club option with a small buyout for the 2nd year… it gives them an option when I think that outfield FA’s this offseason are bleak…

    Marte kind of does the same for the pen;. next yr. the pen will be mo, marte, and a bunch of kids. edwar, veras, melancon, robertson, etc…

    SO Cashman actually kept to the plan in trying to get some roster flexibility going forward and not giving up top end players to do it…
    I really like the Pitt. trade, we will see if it works out.

  96. michael george July 30th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Just about any pitcher is an upgrade over Ponson. But I think kennedy is a better choice than both Byrd and perez. Byrd is especially crappy.

  97. Guiseppe Franco July 30th, 2008 at 12:57 am

    I’ve never said that I am looking to trade Cano, but I’d listen to reasonable offers if I’m Cashman.

    I’ve also said that any trade of Cano can’t happen the middle of the season.

    I would love to have Greinke and I’d like to know the KC wants for him. Miggs simply looks at stats and doesn’t take anything else into account when evaluating a pitcher.

  98. miggs (NO to Teixeira) July 30th, 2008 at 12:57 am

    Fredo I don’t want Grienke period.

    He’s overrated and had a mental breakdown. Stick him on the Yankees facing AL East opponents 4-5 times a year and have him deal with the media frenzy… the guy will be popping Xanax like they’re tic tacs.

    Like I said earlier, just look at the projected rotation next year (with the anticipated CC signing) and tell me who he’s better than:

    Joba – Not even close
    Wang- nope
    CC – umm….no
    Pettitte – I’ll take the great 2nd half and playoff pitcher. Even if he’s 36.
    The 5th spot will be either Mussina or Hughes.

    We don’t need Greinke. I don’t want him.

  99. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 12:58 am

    WOWzer I cannot really argue with your reasons the yanks are where they are but the ANgels and other teams have had even more injuries I think..

    really with the Yankee roster they should have been able to overcome the injuries and again the offense has been such a huge dissapointment.. guys like giese, moose, joba, edwar, veras, robertson(before yesterday) have picked it up but the offense has not…

  100. miggs (NO to Teixeira) July 30th, 2008 at 12:59 am

    “I would love to have Greinke and I’d like to know the KC wants for him. Miggs simply looks at stats and doesn’t take anything else into account when evaluating a pitcher.”

    Hey Hair Dresser, what do you want me to look at if I don’t look at stats? The color of his eyes? His SAT scores? How he wears his socks?

    Just shut up.

  101. michael george July 30th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    I agree on the Nady trade also being a decent way for the Yankees to let Abreu walk as a free agent. But I expect the Yankeees will also let Marte walk as a free agent. Marte will likely be a Type A free agent. They can get two high draft picks for a dude who is only going to give them 80 innings at most. That is pretty nice. Plus Marte would make 6 million next year. That is way too much for a reliever who isn’t dominant like a typical closer. The kids are good enough to make a solid bullpen without him.

    Plus if the Yankees want to sign a big name free agent they will lose draft picks, so collecting the picks for both Abreu and Marte is important.

  102. fred from jersey July 30th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    “Nady right (IMO is overrated) that’s for nor now, IDK what he adds to this team once he gets his feet wet but right now I’d rather have Jose Tabata still in Trenton :(”

    Nady has never faced any of these AL pitchers, and hes trying to learn them with the help of a hitting coach that cant get THIS lineup going. So please lay off Nady.

  103. miggs (NO to Teixeira) July 30th, 2008 at 1:03 am

    Also, trading Cano is one of the dumbest things this franchise could ever do.

    He’s cost controlled for 3 more years
    His defense is amazing
    He’s a lifetime .300 hitter
    He plays a premier position

    The only 2nd baseman I’d rather have in the entire MLB is Chase Utley.

    Ok great trade him. Who plays 2nd? Alberto Gonzalez? Or some bum we trade for that can’t match Cano with the bat or the glove?

  104. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 1:03 am

    Michael George that is an option with Marte.. People (baseball pundits) love him so we will see how he does. Marte at $6 mill is high but it is only for 1 yr. Guys like Dotel, the 8th inning guy for the white sux, mahay, and others got 3 or 4 yrs. Marte at 1 yr .is manageable even at $6 mill.

  105. fred from jersey July 30th, 2008 at 1:04 am

    oh and wouldnt it have been nice to PH betemit tonight with Bonds?

    just sayin’

  106. Guiseppe Franco July 30th, 2008 at 1:06 am

    Whatever you say, Miggs.

    Arguing with you is like arguing with my 13 yr old nephew.

    Sooner or later, he just covers his ears when he loses an argument and yells “BLAH BLAH BLAH, I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!!”

    You’re probably doing the same thing on your keyboard as we speak.

    Stats don’t tell the whole story. Phil Hughes is not an 0-3, 9.00+ pitcher. Neither is Kennedy.

    You have to watch these guys actually pitch. And you clearly haven’t really watched Greinke pitch. He’s a big talent, but you are the only one who doesn’t see it.

  107. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 1:06 am

    guys nady has had about 11 ab’s and actually has been on base about 4 times….

    give the guy a break… As far as Cano and Grienke. Cano drives me crazy he is a knucklehead but he is a very good player and a excellent fielder. The yanks long term pitching prospects look great they actually need the guys in the field to be younger and better if you have not noticed……..

  108. michael george July 30th, 2008 at 1:07 am

    I agree about Marte’s 6 million being nice since it’s only one year. But I guess my point is, his presence is not a necessity for next year’s team. Joba left the bullpen and yet the bullpen ahs been solid because the kids showed why they have been so highly touted in the minors. Sure Marte would be a nice guy to have on next year’s team, but I’d rather have the two draft picks because I think Marte’s potential 80 innings are easily replaceable by the likes of Melancon or several other names in the minors.

  109. lvslugger36@gmail.com July 30th, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Betemit, IMO, needs to go along with Sexson (although still not 100% that he should be let go) and Ponson.

  110. michael george July 30th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    Ponson was a huge mistake from the beginning.

  111. miggs (NO to Teixeira) July 30th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    “Stats don’t tell the whole story. Phil Hughes is not an 0-3, 9.00+ pitcher. Neither is Kennedy.
    You have to watch these guys actually pitch. And you clearly haven’t really watched Greinke pitch. He’s a big talent, but you are the only one who doesn’t see it.”

    Ok Hair Dresser I know its tough to keep up, but try to stay with me here.

    Hughes was hurt and hasn’t even had a full season in the majors. Kennedy also was clearly rushed. Grienke has been in the league for 4 years. He does have good stuff. Guess what? So does Kyle Farnsworth.

    I have watched him pitch. I watch a ton of baseball. He’s nothing special. Like I said… AL East, NY spotlight. Can we say Eddie Whitson?

    The guy will fall flat on his face. He’s basically league average now. Put him on the Yankees and he’ll melt away.

  112. Tank July 30th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    Bonds is the missing piece to our championship team.

    Pitching will get better with Wang/Hughes/Kennedy.

    Bullpen will be solid with Farns, Veras, Edwar, Marte, Robs.

    Lineup is our weak link. Not enough power, intimidation… Abreu is not a #3 hitter. Giambi is finished. Molina/Melky are automatic outs. a Bonds-Arod-Abreu-Giambi middle of the order will be havoc for other teams. Dice-K will be at 100 pitches once through that order.

    We can’t score consistently, adding another bat like Bonds will solve that for us. If Cash/Hal/Hank are dead serious about going for it, they will sign him. Otherwise, all their talk was just fabricated to make us feel better. This team without him cannot win, it will never hit in a big spot. Bonds will take pressure off everyone including Arod.

  113. John H. July 30th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Agreed. We need intimidation and power.

  114. pat July 30th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    This must be what happened in the stands that they didn’t show during the game. A grown man diving for a $5 ball is crazy.

    http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/.....13069.jpg/

  115. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Michael George.. I think either way on Marte. .It is a good problem the Yanks have and again the 1 yr. is no big deal. On the draft picks the Yanks system is looking much better and therefore keeping the picks is not as important since there system is in pretty good shape…

    this is a good thing the problems are there 4th and 5th starter really just 1 starter and the lack of production from this lineup which is dumbfounding…..

  116. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Michael George.. I think either way on Marte. .It is a good problem the Yanks have and again the 1 yr. is no big deal. On the draft picks the Yanks system is looking much better and therefore keeping the picks is not as important since there system is in pretty good shape…

    this is a good thing the problems are there 4th and 5th starter really just 1 starter and the lack of production from this lineup which is dumbfounding…..

  117. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 1:15 am

    tank go away, bonds is not playing for the yanks.. I am not getting a position with the yanks and neither is Barry, give it a rest………

  118. miggs (NO to Teixeira) July 30th, 2008 at 1:15 am

    Hey Hair Dresser why don’t you try making an argument instead of focusing on what I see and don’t see. You have yet to answer any of my points on why I don’t want Grienke or why i think he won’t succeed here.

    You simply attack my character and try and brush off my opinion as meaningless when I clearly make valid points to back up my statements.

    You’re grasping at straws. You have nothing.

  119. michael george July 30th, 2008 at 1:15 am

    fair enough stuart, I think you are right that either way it is a good “problem” to have.

  120. miggs (NO to Teixeira) July 30th, 2008 at 1:27 am

    Anyone know Melancon’s innings limit?

    Does he have a chance to pitch here in SEptember?

  121. Jorge Tabata July 30th, 2008 at 1:27 am

    russo is going to be all giddy tomorrow

  122. Guiseppe Franco July 30th, 2008 at 1:30 am

    You simply attack my character and try and brush off my opinion as meaningless when I clearly make valid points to back up my statements.

    Sigh. Stop playing your victim card. It’s really idiotic.

    You were the one who started the childish antics and personal attack at 12:33 am.

    If you scroll through the comments, you’ll see that I didn’t attack anyone at all until I was attacked first by GI Joe and you.

    I’ve tried to talk baseball, but you guys chose to throw mud.

    That’s fine, but I’m not going to bother responding to your nonsense anymore.

    You don’t like me – ignore me. It really is a simple solution because I don’t think everyone else wants to read a bunch of mudslinging.

  123. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 1:35 am

    “I’ve tried to talk baseball, but you guys chose to throw mud.”

    Oh stop, you’re the one who resorted to cursing and using prohibited language. I hope you don’t get permabanned.

  124. BBB July 30th, 2008 at 1:35 am

    Odalis Perez is awful, Paul Byrd is bad but since I believe the commitment would only be through this year and it would be straight salary relief (a concept Seattle seems not to understand), he would be better than Ponson. Anyone’s better than Ponson will be once his ERA fully catches up to his WHIP. I think there even may be a small percentage of bloggers on here who could pitch for the Yankees and duplicate what Sidney would do on a given night.

  125. MoBoy(aka McLovin) July 30th, 2008 at 1:36 am

    THe biggest problem to this team is they need a Manny Ramirez.They need a clutch hitter who is a RBI machine.

    Bonds,Manny.These two would help this team but there’s no way they can play here.Thats the biggest problem.

  126. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    “THe biggest problem to this team is they need a Manny Ramirez.They need a clutch hitter who is a RBI machine.”

    Manny is about half the player A-Rod is. And yeah, I know what you’re going to say, he’s not clutch. Well guess what, I have an idea. When A-Rod is hitting in his “not clutch” situations, his teammates who are capable of it should follow his lead and play like MVPs just like A-Rod does. He doesn’t seem clutch because they sit around and wait for A-Rod to do something, and he usually does. His homerun tonight, no one was on base because, well you put it together.

  127. Guiseppe Franco July 30th, 2008 at 1:40 am

    I didn’t use any prohibited language at all. If I did, the LoHud filter would have caught it.

    If you’re referring to the word “Jackass” – you may want to check out MTV because there’s a show with the same name.

    That’s not profanity.

  128. BBB July 30th, 2008 at 1:42 am

    And, just because Nady and Marte are not SP’s doesn’t make it a bad trade. They are nice pieces. Was Cash supposed to hang up on Pitt because he hadn’t found a starter yet?

    He really does need to acquire some kind of a starter to replace Sid though. Kennedy and Aceves are a more than adequate insurance policy for Rasner, but every game they run Sir Sid out there is a game farther from making the playoffs.

    I think Joba and Andy give us something we havent had in a while, a front of the rotation good enough to win in the playoffs. Gotta get there first, though.

  129. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 1:43 am

    “I didn’t use any prohibited language at all. If I did, the LoHud filter would have caught it.”

    I doubt the Lohud filter knows when you put it together with arrogant and are insulting another user. But you just keep going, see if you can become the most disliked user here and how quickly you can do it!

  130. michael george July 30th, 2008 at 1:43 am

    Yeah ARod is awesome. The problem for the offense isn’t that we don’t have Manny Ramirez. It’s mostly that we have Jose Molina and Melky Cabrera putting too many at-bats to waste. Also, some guys like jeter and abreu are having sub-par seasons compared to the last few years, especially jeter.

  131. Phil July 30th, 2008 at 1:44 am

    I hope the Yanks can get Greinke. Obviously, they wouldn’t have drafted his brother if they weren’t hoping for similar upside. He beats the snot out of Washburn, Byrd or Perez and could be around for awhile.

    The Yanks needs to start grinding their ab’s again.

  132. BBB July 30th, 2008 at 1:45 am

    Oh, and I am not in favor of rushing Kennedy back up here if it can at all be avoided. From what I heard about his outing tonight, it didn’t reflect that there is nothing left for him to work on in the minors. They already rushed him once, and I’d hate to see his development slowed by doing it again. Which will happen if he comes up and does the nibbling thing again and gets hit hard.

  133. ray (sox fan) July 30th, 2008 at 1:48 am

    I was at the game at Fenway tonight. I think things could change between now and the end of the season but right now especially with the addition of Tex I think the Angels are a couple notches above both the Red Sox and the Yankees.

    At least the Angels have been dominating the Sox for the last six or so games. It will be interesting how the Yankees do against them in a few days.

  134. John H. July 30th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Agreed. Angels are and have been the team to beat.

  135. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    “At least the Angels have been dominating the Sox for the last six or so games. It will be interesting how the Yankees do against them in a few days.”

    It will be very interesting. It just seems like the Yankees play better against good teams, so I think they might do decently against the Angels.

  136. miggs (NO to Teixeira) July 30th, 2008 at 1:52 am

    Victim card? Oh man.

    How you take yourself seriously is beyond me.

    Like DFox said, you’re on your way to becoming the most disliked person on this blog.

    It would be a joy to see you banned.

  137. Guiseppe Franco July 30th, 2008 at 1:55 am

    People who offer differing opinions are often disliked.

    SJ is attacked all the time by various knuckle-draggers. That kind of stuff just marginalizes them. It doesn’t hurt SJ.

    But people with such low self esteem like Miggs and GI Joe decided to throw the first punches tonight so I fought back. And now Miggs is whining.

    Frankly, I don’t really care who likes me and who doesn’t. That really doesn’t concern me.

    If I offer an opinion and people want to engage with me – I’m more than happy to do just that. I don’t come here to talk to myself.

  138. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 1:55 am

    Arod apologist he is agreat player but explain to me why a guy who hits 325 for the year is hitting 250 with RISP. His late inning clutch #’s also thos year not very good.. 1 simple question why???????????????

    Answer the question do not give me a whole novel, why does the guy hit about 75 points lower with RISP and similar in late innings???

    You are correct in saying others like king derek have not exactly come up big but someone like Melky is consistenlty bad arod and giambi are only bad when RISP…WHY?????????

  139. jettman July 30th, 2008 at 1:57 am

    because, stuart, God is a sox fan

  140. BBB July 30th, 2008 at 1:59 am

    Agreed here too, the Angels were already the best before today and now have gone in for the kill by adding Teix. The Yanks do always play better against good teams though, and Hunter who is now a major part of their lineup has never really hit us well. Plus hopefully Molina can limit the running they will do. Still nervous about those 10 games though, and disheartened they all have to be scheduled for such a critical part of the season!

  141. BBB July 30th, 2008 at 2:00 am

    jettman – drugs are bad mkay? :)

  142. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    “Arod apologist he is agreat player but explain to me why a guy who hits 325 for the year is hitting 250 with RISP. His late inning clutch #’s also thos year not very good.. 1 simple question why???????????????”

    Dude, it’s not that difficult to understand. Like michael george said, there’s a lot of dead spots in the lineup, and people aren’t getting on. You act like A-Rod is batting with RISP 100% of his at bats. It’s skewed. He isn’t. He might be the cleanup hitter, but for the most part this year he hasn’t had base runners to clean up. Like tonight, he was 2/3. When there were men on, he struck out. OK, and where were the men on during his other hits? Oh yeah, that’s right there weren’t any.

  143. miggs (NO to Teixeira) July 30th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Franco.. you mentioning yourself in the same context as SJ44 is laughable.

    SJ44 knows a ton about baseball and I respect his opinion.

    Like I have said many times, you spout nonsense and back it up with nothing.
    Then you say I’m whining and playing the victim card?

    Try answering my points instead of attacking me. Can you do it?

    I’m still waiting…..

    Oh wait.. its impossible to have an intelligent baseball conversation with you because you don’t know sh-t.

  144. jettman July 30th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    I’m only joking. He’s clearly just a Yankees fan with a sense of drama. See 2003 ALCS.

  145. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 2:05 am

    Joba’s not pitching against the Angels this weekend. That means both Rasner and Ponson are pitching in the 4 game series. Yikes.

  146. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    Dfox I will give you a math lesson. Yeah Arod does get up many more times probably without men on base but the point is he hits 250 when they are on base.. that is called an average.. why is his average 75 points higher when the bases are empty???

    Answer the question do not whine about the team poor OBP which is partly true but better in league comparisons then there dreadful BA with RISP.

    Capeeshe??????

  147. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    the arod with risp stuff is just small sample size nonsense. look what he did last year in the “clutch” situations. he was amazing. have you forgotten that already? and same thing with mo, there have been many seasons where his numbers in non-save situations were even better than his numbers in save situations. don’t harp on this stuff too much. in a small number of atbats or innings, odd things can happen. don’t read too much into it. arod is an awesome hitter, he is not the problem with this team. dude, he’s the best hitter on the team. i want him at the plate every single there are runners on base.

  148. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    “Yeah Arod does get up many more times probably without men on base but the point is he hits 250 when they are on base.. that is called an average.. why is his average 75 points higher when the bases are empty???”

    You gave me a math lesson, now I’ll give you a baseball lesson. RISP is a guy on 2nd or 3rd. So forget about a guy on first, that doesn’t count. That’s much more likely than him coming up with someone on second or third.

    snickers said it perfectly, when you have such a tiny sample size, it’s easy for it to be misleading. If A-Rod came up to bat this year 500 times with RISP, he’d hit .320.

  149. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 2:18 am

    “If A-Rod came up to bat this year 500 times with RISP, he’d hit .320.”

    Exactly.

  150. miggs (NO to Teixeira) (Please ban the Hair Dresser) July 30th, 2008 at 2:18 am

    Goodnight all !!!

  151. jettman July 30th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    This may be a little out there, but statistically, it’s pretty clear that there’s no such thing as a “clutch” hitter. There haven’t been any hitters in baseball history that consistently do better or worse from year to year with RISP. It’s all random. A-Rod has one great year, now he’s having a bad year. Obviously, he’s trying as hard as he can every at bat, so it’s not like anything changes. This is a pretty well-accepted sabermetric argument–clutch hitting isn’t real. It’s just luck.
    That’s why I hate when people whine about the Yankees #’s with RISP. It’s not really under their control. In the end, over the years, everybody does about the same with RISP as w/o RISP.

  152. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    it’s funny, there are sooo many obvious reasons for why this offense is struggling, yet people are still trying to blame arod for it.

  153. JDog July 30th, 2008 at 2:20 am

    http://theblogofchampions.com/?p=159

  154. jettman July 30th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    For instance, most people are surprised to learn that “Captain Clutch” is actually a worse career hitter with RISP than w/o RISP, but only very slightly.
    Additionally, it’s surprising to learn that, despite his monster season (05? I don’t remember), Big Papi is actually only slightly better in his career with RISP.
    It’s all luck

  155. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 2:24 am

    So snickers and Dfox are on the bandwagon of the greatest player of all time bandwagon..

    Man if I was Arod I would rather be like the 3rd best player of all time and win a couple of championships..

    Small sample size of 150 or so AB’s, why even keep stats then?

    i would be curious to see what Arods career #’s are with RISP.

    I guess Cano’s under 100 avg with the bases loaded like 40 + AB’s is just a small sample size and not his impatienc, lack of plate discipline, and desire to be a hero instead of taking what they give him.. Now I can sleep better knowing it is just a small sample size.

    Jose Molina has never been a good hitter is not true he is just a 240 hitter because he has not had enough AB’s yet…

    Small sample size for AROD and Giambi this yr. with RISP, you guys are clowns….How about saying they choke!!IS that blasphemous or based on some facts???

  156. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 2:26 am

    “it’s funny, there are sooo many obvious reasons for why this offense is struggling, yet people are still trying to blame arod for it.”

    I know, right? If every other player on the Yankees could be “unclutch” like A-Rod: meaning they play above their career numbers, then this team would be averaging 8 runs per game. A-Rod is the only player on this team who you can look at and say “wow, that guy is really hitting, more than he ever has”, maybe Johnny Damon being the exception.

    And jettman, great post. That’s why it can’t be believed that this team won’t hit with RISP, because in reality, that’s just regular hitting, and the Yankees have tons have capable hitters.

  157. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 2:26 am

    I expect guys to hit lower in the playoffs(better pitching) and with RISP but not to the variance for arod and giambi this year..

  158. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 2:28 am

    people just have very very selective memories, which is why they lean on the “clutch” crutch too much. for example, lots of people say ridiculous things like “screw arod, I’d rather have brosius…that guy was clutch”…yet scott brosius was a terrible postseason hitter. sure he had a couple of big homers, but he also had i’d guess close to 200 postseason at bats. of course he was going to run into a couple of homers along the way. it doesn’t mean he is some october demigod. i would guess his postseason hr rate was pretty close to his career hr rate, maybe even slightly better. and i would guess that arod’s postseason hr rate is still better than that.

  159. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 2:30 am

    I also am not only blaming arod.. arod has been pretty good this season but when you are the “best player in the game” pretty good does not cut it, great is the goal….

    has jeter stunk offensively this year? Absolutely.. the only guy who has delivered is Damon and his power #’s are down. abreu down, cano way down, etc..

    You arod groupies can never take criticism at him as only that criticism, he is the best player in the yankee lineup, no question but his #’s are not what they need to be.. I expect more from him and the guys who have the big reps. and make the big dinero. after all isn’t the reason they make the big bucks is because they are suppose to deliver…

  160. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 2:31 am

    arod’s career with RISP is:

    .304/.404/.555 with 131 HR and 975 RBI in 2035 at bats

    That, my friend, is awesome.

  161. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 2:31 am

    “Small sample size of 150 or so AB’s, why even keep stats then?”

    You’re so dense. If you’re going to use stats, at least get them close to correct.

    He’s had 95 at bats this year with RISP. So you are calling A-Rod unclutch because of 95 at bats in the 2008 season.

    Career? A-Rod career with RISP?? .304, that’s right, .304. And career average? .307. Do you see a tend now or are you still too dense? Not a tough concept. Huge sample size = good thing to base things on.

    Or, we can skew the stats based on 95 at bats. Well you know what?? This year, A-Rod is batting .467 when there is a man on third base!!! That’s right, .467. But guess what, that was in a whopping 15 at bats.

  162. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 2:32 am

    arod has been great this year…wake up already

    and pujols is the best hitter in all of baseball, in my opinion

  163. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 2:32 am

    snickers look up arod postseson #’s the yare nothing to right home about…..

    Brosius was a role player not the “greatest player of all time” shouldn’t they be held to different standards??

    Ask the steinny boys if they expect similar production from melky to arod……..

  164. BBB July 30th, 2008 at 2:32 am

    “Dude, it’s not that difficult to understand. Like michael george said, there’s a lot of dead spots in the lineup, and people aren’t getting on. You act like A-Rod is batting with RISP 100% of his at bats. It’s skewed. He isn’t. He might be the cleanup hitter, but for the most part this year he hasn’t had base runners to clean up. Like tonight, he was 2/3. When there were men on, he struck out. OK, and where were the men on during his other hits? Oh yeah, that’s right there weren’t any.”

    And just to add to this – even when there are men on, when the guys immediately after ARod in the lineup don’t scare anyone (coughGiambicough) it is easier to pitch around him. They can either walk him (happens all the time w/men on) or unveil their nastiest pitch once they get ahead in the count, because they know they don’t have to keep another pitch close to the vest for Giambi. I would give Cano an audition in the 5 hole sometime soon…

  165. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 2:35 am

    DFOX I do not trust your #’s… And 95 AB’s is not 15.. Dense, yeah compare Brosius to the greatest player ever and call me dense….

    man that high 88 mph cheese Sherrill threw up there was too much for pretty boy to handle tonight, go pray to the arod statue before bed, as the yanks win jack again.. is it coincedence or not that arod has won jack????

    Nah I am just another arod hater not smart enough or sophisticated enough to see what dfox and the other groupies see..

    My bad…

  166. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 2:39 am

    arod’s career postseason numbers are :

    .279/.361/.483 in 147 at-bats

    Now DFox just taught you a lesson about small sample size, which i doubt you learned. but anyway, there’s no reason you shouldn’t expect the same thing to happen here. arod’s numbers will be more reflective of his career rates as he gets more at-bats in the postseason. it is common sense.

  167. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 2:40 am

    you are an idiot if you think arod makes a team incapable of winning a world series

  168. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 2:42 am

    “man that high 88 mph cheese Sherrill threw up there was too much for pretty boy to handle tonight, go pray to the arod statue before bed, as the yanks win jack again.. is it coincedence or not that arod has won jack????”

    Haha, right. I was at the game tonight, and until A-Rod stepped up to the plate (for his 2nd at bat that is, not the first one where he got a hit and nobody after him got the job done), the fans were pretty sielent, along with the Yankees offense. When he hit that homerun (note: with no one on base, he was leading off the inning) not only did he get the fans into the game, he woke up the Yankee offense, as much as one guy could, and at least got them a little interested in scoring some runs.

  169. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 2:42 am

    you don’t trust his numbers? they are the same numbers i gave you. come on dude, face it, you are wrong. arod’s career rates with RISP closely match his career rates in all situations. you have no grasp of proper analysis if you are drawing broad conclusions based on 100 or 200 at bats.

  170. fred from jersey July 30th, 2008 at 2:44 am

    snickers his career numbers for 2outs w/risp and in a late/close game are way below his average.

  171. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 2:46 am

    “is it coincedence or not that arod has won jack????”

    Maybe you don’t know this fact, but it takes 25 men to win a championship. was arod supposed to prevent wang from collapsing in the 2007 playoffs? Hmm? was arod supposed to prevent johnson and jaret wright from giving away 2 games in detroit in 2006? was arod supposed to stop mussina and johnson from sucking in october 2005? come on already. If the Yankees actually had a good pitching staff over the last several years, they probably would have won a world title at least one of those years.

  172. GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2008 at 2:46 am

    How many rings” has Jeter won in the last four years prior to this season? How about the last 7 years? See how fun and easy cherry picking can be, Stuart Little?

  173. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 2:48 am

    fred, arod still gets on base at a .401 clip in those situations. his career obp is .389.

  174. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 2:48 am

    Snickers you are wrong again.. in the playoffs you face better pitching but the #’s should be in the neighborhood.

    so I can look forward to huge upticks in arods performance the rest of the year with RISP and in the playoffs, that is good to know.

    I doubt it but I can pray for it also..Again I guess Reggie was just lucky just a small sample size. I guess thurman hitting 500 + against cincy in the 4 game series was the same so I can expect an anamoly like that from arod coming real soon…

    again the answer the arod groupies never answer is why people perceive arods non existent deficiencies??? WHy he never wins? Why do people perceive he is unclutch.. it is more then jealousy???

    279 in the playoffs is that good for the best player ever??? I do not think so….

    Best players carry there team, best players come thru more then there teammates, why is that hard to understand?

    I want him to come thru and succeed and carry this underachieving team of soft older guys but I do not see it…

  175. fred from jersey July 30th, 2008 at 2:49 am

    “If the Yankees actually had a good pitching staff over the last several years, they probably would have won a world title at least one of those years.”

    joba, wanger, andy, and moose stays hot

  176. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 2:49 am

    “snickers his career numbers for 2outs w/risp and in a late/close game are way below his average.”

    Oh come on, we just went over this. Go to baseball reference and look at his career clutch stats.

    What do you notice? Here’s what I noticed. For each clutch statistic, the more at bats, bigger sample size, the higher his average. So there’s no way you can actually prove that if he had the same sample size for all of them, he wouldn’t achieve his career average.

  177. fred from jersey July 30th, 2008 at 2:50 am

    i know. all it really takes to stop the risp arod talk is 1 game winning post season shot.

  178. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 2:53 am

    “Best players carry there team, best players come thru more then there teammates, why is that hard to understand?”

    You make the worst arguments, they are so easy to counter the stupidity.

    Here: A-Rod might bat lower in division series, but when it counts the most, league championship series, A-Rod bats a whopping .315. He really turns it up when the time comes.

    Isn’t that just silly?

  179. stuart July 30th, 2008 at 2:55 am

    so the arod groupies are green beret, snickers, and dfox.. newsflash no one is saying Jeter is the best player in the game now and especially ever…

    the arod groupies say that about arod all the time.. those are lofty heights that demand results. WHen talking about the yankee failures by there terrible pitching staffs the last few years you conveniently forgot arods epic failures against detroit.. I may be wrong but I think 1 for 19 is about right….

    arods only big time high pressure carry the team moment was the minny series a few years ago when he came thru that is it..

    when the yanks win it is convenient that it is because of arod but when they fail it is a team game.. again in case you cannot read, there results this year are not because arod has failed but all I have said numerous times is if he could hit better with RISP, or late in games it would help a ton and since he is the “best player in the game” I do not think this is unreasonable..

  180. GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2008 at 2:55 am

    Fred, you can look up the 2004 ALDS against Minnesota or his first three games against Boston in 2004. Perhaps you can locate something in there. You could even compare them against Jeter’s numbers in the same games, just for laughs.

  181. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 2:58 am

    snickers do you forget when arod batted .421/.476/.737 against the twins in ’04 playoffs? do you forget when he batted .409/.480/.773 against the Yankees in the ’00 playoffs? arod will have more series like this when he gets more chances.

    do you remember when reggie jackson hit .125/.222/.125 in the 1977 alcs? does that mean he stinks at hitting in any alcs? of course not. it is a small sample size. duh.

    arod hasn’t won a world title yet because he has not played on a team with a 25-man roster that played well enough to win a world title. There are 24 dudes there besides him. Sure he is expected to the best, but you need at least a dozen other dudes to play reasonably well at the same time.

    look at jeter and jorge last year in the 07 playoffs. they were putrid. oh but because they won a world title back in 2000 they are immune to criticism now? that makes no sense.

  182. GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2008 at 3:00 am

    What’s next, Stuart Little? Rodriguez’ salary? Is there that much difference between Rodriguez’ being the highest paid and Jeter being the third highest? Quit being stupid. You call people Rodriguez apologists and groupies, but, what does that make you? A hater. Is there a difference? Only in your mind, which doesn’t function very well.

  183. NYYankFan July 30th, 2008 at 3:03 am

    “Why do people perceive he is unclutch.”

    Because going back to the 3 SS days of the late 90′s, when the argument came up about who was the best SS, the only way Jeter could win the argument was by saying but he’s clutch and he has rings. His numbers and his skills both defensively and offensively paled in comparison to A-Rod and Nomar. Yankee fans, myself included, used the argument but Jeter is clutch and Jeter has the rings. That would make A-Rod unclutch and ringless. Once they both started playing for the Yanks, I realized I didn’t have to hate on one to make the other look better. They both bring important skill sets to the party and if they could get some pitching like they had in the late 90′s, the ringless discussion would be over.

  184. snickers July 30th, 2008 at 3:03 am

    seriously, look at how johnson and wright oitched in games 3 and 4 of that detoit series. even if arod hit two homers in each game the Yankees probably would have lost. this does not excuse alex’s poor performance, but it is hard to blame anybody on the offense when the pitching doesn’t give the hitters a chance. look at wang last year. he was a disaster against cleveland. arod and abreu hit homers late in game 4 but novody remembers because the game was out of reach.

    see, the yankee pitchers in the late 90′s generally had better performances in the postseason, so when a guy like a tino or brosius hit a homer, the score was geenrally close enough where you were more likely to remember it. the yankee offense actually did pretty poorly in those postseasons.

  185. stf July 30th, 2008 at 8:51 am

    What’s wrong with Bobby Meachem. The guy let them run when he should stop them and stops them when they should run… FIRE HIM.

  186. trisha - still supporting Farnsy like crazy! July 30th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    The potential good news is that the Yankees are one of the few teams who have a winning record on the road…

  187. Fat Loss 4 Idiots November 13th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    I’ve really enjoyed reading your articles. You obviously know what you are talking about! Your site is so easy to navigate too, I’ve bookmarked it in my favourites :-D

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