Plenty of blame to go around
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- July
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You can pin almost every loss on somebody. Who gets the blame tonight? No one person as everybody had a hand in this one.
Darrell Rasner: He is what he is. He more or less gave them a chance to win. With the bullpen short, he went into the seventh inning.
Mariano Rivera: OK, so he’s human. But had timing.
Damaso Marte: Free pass for the first time. But now that has expired.
The offense: They scored six runs, which is what you want. But how does the marginal Daniel Cabrera dominate them so easily? He’s 3-0, 3.15 against the Yankees this season. He’s 4-6, 5.07 against everybody else.
Joe Girardi: Why does Wilson Betemit (.244) ever see the light of day? He’s 7 for 40 with runners in scoring position with 13 strikeouts. But you can understand why the manager wanted to give A-Rod a little break. They don’t have a day off until Aug. 14.
How about giving Richie Sexson a shot in the ninth? Sure, they would have been out of players and needed a third baseman. But he might have won the game with a homer. Betemit was a stone cold lock to strike out there.
The blame can be spread wide on this one. Now they need Joba to be a stopper tomorrow afternoon.
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Rasner looked good before Girardi tried to squeeze an extra inning out of him.
He is MUCH better than Ponson. If Cash replaces Rasner in the rotation, he isin’t trying to win. Ponson is the one who needs to go.
I don’t understand why Betemit was not pinch hit for in the 9th. Isn’t that why Sexson was acquired?
Anyone find it ironic that they play Pearl Jam’s “Can’t find a better man” when Bettemit comes to the plate?
Cashman, if you can’t find a better man you just ain’t trying!
lol
I was called a fraud for saying ken rosenthal reported a potential yanks/royals trade for greinke. he has said it before
http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/200198
Note to the Yankees-it’s ok to score runs early and often.
“Rasner looked good before Girardi tried to squeeze an extra inning out of him.”
After what Moose contributed last night – I can’t really blame Joe for extending Razz. jmo.
NO WAY RASNER GETS ANY BLAME. AT ALL.
He never should have pitched in the seventh. I thought the 6th was pushing it. He was already at 100 pitches after 6. 6 innings and 2 runs from a number 5 – take it and run and don’t tempt fate. And he certainly should have been yanked after the first runner reached base.
This was is on Girardi. He didn’t know when to call it quits on Rasner and on top of that lets Sexson rot on the bench while Betemit ends the game (why was he even playing in the first place!?!)
There was a 90% chance Sexson would have struck out there.
Still better odds than Buttimit doing anything.
Girardi has done a pretty good job managing overall this year, but a few decisions he’s made are just boneheaded. Not bunting Cabrera in the 9th in that game vs KC and leaving the number 5 guy hanging out to dry in the 7th.
Doris-
That blog entry is from a month ago & it’s pure speculation.
Well put. Yankee player of the game: John Lackey.
Mariners just used Washburn as a pinch runner. He’s just scored the lead run. Why can’t we get guys like that????
I have always found the Betterman song choice ironic too. I’d assume he chose it, and I understand it sounds like Betemit and all, but given the lyrics it’s still kind of disturbing he would want that as his AB song.
But alas, he is a bad baseball player. Couldnt have said it better Pete, a stone cold lock to K there indeed. At least “Can’t find a better man” is a fitting theme in every way.
But, the Yankees could find a better man. Couldnt they trade for Mark Loretta or somebody like that?
Betemit is just a terrible baseball player
i know… my point is that rosenthal has reported it in the past so is it really that farfetched that he would report it again the day before the deadline?
utterly disgusting to see girardi leave the game up to betemit—-and batting righty no less.
it’s awful to have to endure him on this team at all, but that was
atrocious
“I was called a fraud for saying ken rosenthal reported a potential yanks/royals trade for greinke. he has said it before”
Not your fault Doris. It’s the stooge who suggested that a crap package like Melky, Coke and another B prospect gets Greinke is totally full of shyte.
Once again the Yanks are going to be a model of consistency – AS in consistently inconsistent – This is not their year. It is what it is…..
Rasner did his usual bulldog for 7 innings – but they rarely support this guy with runs. For a 5th starter he is better than 75% of the 5th starters out there.
THe problem with this team is age and will be until the get more younger and more athletic
Abraham hit it on the nose – some of these guys are like watching slow pitch softball players.
How soon before age/fatigue catches up with Moose and Pettite in the second half?
forget Washburn this team maybe washed out by Aug 31.
Someone help me understand this
Alex Rodriguez’s 2008
At Yankees Stadium
bases empty .398/.448/.750
RISP .295/.433/.523
WTF happens to him ?
On the road
bases empty .306/.375/.569
RISP .216/.375/.353
WTF IS HIS PROBLEM w/ hitting if someone is on 2B or 3B
(I wouldn’t be fair if I didn’t point this out and everyone here knows I’m a big fan of his but this sh.. is getting ridiculous)
I can at least say I understand Girardi’s thinking in extending Rasner. It was just a gamble that didn’t work out all the way around, along with some bad luck – that HBP barely even grazed his sleeve, then a bloop iirc…it just spun out of control.
If anything, Girardi’s real mistake was not playing Nady. And not PH Sexson for Bet. At least worth a try. he was the only one left on the bench right? That actually is sad…
“I have always found the Betterman song choice ironic too. I’d assume he chose it,”
Doesn’t seem like the grunge type to me – Is Pearl Jam big in the D.R.?
I’m really tired of the Melky, Betemit (and sometimes Cano) at bats. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, they have low baseball IQ and when you have enough of those players in the lineup, you struggle to win.
I think we’ll come out of this. At least, I hope we do. But this roster still needs changes. Betemit needs to be off of it. He’s a terrible baseball player. He really is. Hearing Girardi defend him was insulting to the fans.
I hope whatever happens in the next couple of days we find a way to get Betemit off the roster.
The sad thing about tonight is Melky would have killed the rally if Betemit didn’t K.
I think Cashman made some great strides. Hopefully, he has some more magic left in his hat to get a starter and maybe a more interesting bat for the bench.
Do we use MO in a tie game in the playoffs?
“utterly disgusting to see girardi leave the game up to betemit—and batting righty no less.”
Absolutely. Even more confusing given that Girardi wants to play the stats game and brings in Marte to face a lefty (bad results) yet leaves Betemit to hit righty (weaker than weak) when he has a so called RHB in Sexon who is supposed to hit lefties well.
No consistency. He is managing by the seat of his pants, and its starting to show.
you forgot Robbie’s clutch 3 pitch strike out
“They scored six runs, which is what you want. But how does the marginal Daniel Cabrera dominate them so easily? He’s 3-0, 3.15 against the Yankees this season. He’s 4-6, 5.07 against everybody else.”
Pete with the best point all night. Cabrera is the very definition of marginal. There is no reason not to be successful against him.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=113
“Do we use MO in a tie game in the playoffs?”
Didn’t he pitch 3 innings in a tie game against Boston in the 2003 ALCS??? Game 7 to be precise.
I could just as easily picture Sexson striking out in that spot too, especially coming off the bench cold. Tough loss. This one will eat at me for a few more hours. Plus losing streaks like this make me far less tolerant of others.
you forgot Robbie’s clutch 3 pitch strike out
Yet his 2 run single is also forgotten.
While we are assigning blame,don’t forgwt Alex. He had two on if he could have brought them in,Jason drove in runs after.AROD NEVER SHOWS UP IN CLUTCH,NEVAH. Cano could’ve brought in a tun too.
When the pitching is lousy,man it really plays with the Yankees head,big time~
You beat Cabrera by getting to him early and putting runs on the board so he has no sense of a comfort zone. That is on Giambi tonight. His first two ABs should have put Cabrera on the bench. But the stats won’t highlight those failures.
“I’m really tired of the Melky, Betemit (and sometimes Cano) at bats.”
Thank you god, I’m not the only one. Especially the Melky AB’s
“Anyone find it ironic that they play Pearl Jam’s “Can’t find a better man†when Bettemit comes to the plate?
Cashman, if you can’t find a better man you just ain’t trying!”
Thanks for posting that. I wanted to post it before but I didn’t have the energy to explain it and didn’t think many realized it.
Good one!!
“Do we use MO in a tie game in the playoffs?”
Playoffs? Which year are you speaking of?
Melky’s at-bats are shoe-ins for either ground outs to middle-infielders or the left fielder. He has no clue what he is doing up there. He is past the point of where there is a learning curve for a young player. He is not progressing at all and for a guy that age, he should be. Because he’s not, I think we’ve seen all we’ll ever get out of him.
“I’m really tired of the Melky, Betemit (and sometimes Cano) at bats.â€
Thank you god, I’m not the only one. Especially the Melky AB’s
Melky is the one who really frustrates me. At least Buttemit rarely plays.
Melky plays everyday when he isn’t a major league starter truth be told. He shows no signs of progressing either. If anything he is regressing.
If they go into next season with him in CF again I’m going to go insane I think.
I’d love to see cash make a trade and replace Betemit on the bench. The guy doesn’t belong in the majors.
Do it! It’s not too late Cash! Girardi is a mole for the Sox and is losing games on purpose. If this was the mob, he’d be taken care of right now.
WIllie is Yankee true and true. He probably lost with the Mets because he wanted to come back. Do it Cash! Do not hesitate! Show no mercy!
The hitters weren’t exactly getting dominated by Cabrera out there. There were plenty of hard-hit balls that went right at fielders. It happens.
Bob the Original—I’m glad we thought the exact same thing at the same exact moment. That kind of freaked me out.
I feel if betemit had good at bats in the previous innings he should have hit in the 9th.. but he was 0-4 with a strikeout , left 2 on base and hit the ball out of the infield once.. What is the chance that he’s gonna tie it up for you?? Oh and btw, he’s even worse right handed… According to the stats, isn’t sexson better than betemit?? Even if they tie the game, they can give up the DH and have A-rod play 3rd.. Joe has done that before in extra inning games.. Seriously betemit is a dead weight in the team.. Enrique wilson was much better.. he would atleast hit against pedro..
“Thank you god, I’m not the only one. Especially the Melky AB’s”
All the more frustrating when you remember that Cabrera leads the MLB in walks. The Yankees used to torture a guy like that with patience at the plate. Even Jeter was swinging at pitches up out of the SZ. Probably one of the most significant differences between the championship teams and today.
Some yell at Long for the offense this year. How do you teach these young hitters that discipline?
Betemit is perfect for Yanks he cannot hit wit hRISP like arod, giambi, cano, and others….
to day Betemit is the villian.. Giambi gets the pass for his 2 crappy AB’s early in the game because he got 1 big hit, the guy is hitting under 200 with RISP, with way more then 40 opptys..
The Girardi out of players arguement I do not like, they need to win games. there schedule is a negative down the stretch, they have a lot more road games then home games..
this team just cannot enjoy prosperity at all.. the yare a avg. team I am finally losing faith with this bunch… I am just so sick of this team.. .they have so underachieved considering what they have gotten out of joba,moose, edwar, and mo it is sick…
no one offensively has bring it game in agame out… Arod as others have said, will never get it done. he is clueless and all you need to know is he left the all star game in the 5th inning or so. he will be the homerun king of all time, but at 33 the guy has not been to a WS yet and he has been on the Yanks for 5 yrs.. He is a enigma and all you stat geeks love him.. He struck out on ball 3 in the 9th on a 88 MPH fastball against a guy who use to pitch in the independent league, that is the bottom line…...
Complaining about A-Rod not hitting in the clutch is useless.
It’s never gonna change.
The guy is a headcase plain and simple. A team of shrinks from the Mayo clinic couldn’t help him.
At least he puts up the runs the rest of the time which you still need to win.
Melky, Buttemit, etc. hardly ever do a thing to help this team.
I’D BLAME GIRARDI FOR THIS LOSS. TERRIBLE LINEUP AND BAD, BAD DECISION TO LEAVE TIRED (OVER 100 PITCHES) RASNER FOR 7TH. I GUESS JOE IS STILL LEARNING…
...AND WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT FROM MARTE IN 7TH AND RIVERA IN 9TH??? TWO “BEST” RELIEVERS IN THE GAME? NOT TONIGHT. MARTE WAS JUST SIMPLY BRUTAL AND WELL DESERVED BRONX CHEERS… JEEZ.
I blame the caps lock key for this loss.
Don’t ask me how, but it is to be blamed
I was at the game tonight, and I’m sorry, don’t blame the offense. Cabrera wasn’t dominating anyway. They were hitting balls hard right at fielders all night.
To me, this game falls on two people. Mariano Rivera, and Jose Molina. On the first pitch to Huff, he hammered a pitch to right field a few feet foul of being a homerun. I’m sorry, when you’re a major league catcher and the greatest closer of all time, and someone has been hot all night, and then hits that foul ball, you thank your lucky stars, and either pitch him VERY careful, or just walk him. They should have seen right after that foul ball that their approach was wrong, or maybe they just weren’t going to be able to get him out. Sometimes you have to eat your pride. The got lucky on the foul ball, but they didn’t use it to their advantage.
Rasner was at 92 pitches to start the 7th, he was not over 100 pitches as others have said…
BTW Huff’s 3 run double off marte was on a 0 and 2 count, reminds me how Guillen for KC killed the Yanks earlier in the season.. the yankees let the likes of huff, millar, guillen, and other loser skill them… these are not exactly maris, mantle, and ruth…..
anyone who is satisfied with this bunch is out of there mind.. If you really want to lose your mind listen to sterling and waldman after a game.. the yankee apologists are amazing, bad luck, bad breaks, the great daniel cabrera.. they actually said he was great… what are they looking at? Yeah he throws hard but teams with discipline like the sux kill him… 4 out against a team with a worse offense then us…...amazing that the rays can be in 1st with that offense…they start andy sonnastine(he stinks), t=but the yanks a team with about 14 guys making over $10 mill. a year are 10 games over 500…..
In the off season Cashman is definitely going to have to get a CFer. How much longer does Melky have to prove that he can’t hit major league pitching? Girardi should play Christian in CF for a couple of days and see if maybe he can get some lucky hits because Melky is a joke already.
Also Cashman HAS to get a starting pitcher before the trade deadline is over..otherwise the Yanks really have no chance this year. If Pet/Muss/ or Joba lose any of there starts then the Yanks are in big trouble because the Yanks do not have the offense to score 6 runs or more for Ponson and Rasners starts. Even though Rasner was good today.
Anyone else think Betemit is DFA’d tomorrow?
“they start andy sonnastine(he stinks)”
Yankees are starting two pitchers worse than Sonnanstine right now. If they happen to trade for Washburn or promote Kennedy, they’ll still be starting two pitchers worse than Sonnanstine.
the Yanks look like a 86 win team that will not get it done.. if they do not win at least 90 games they will not make the playoffs… when will Girardi just try to win every game and forget about the pen beings shot, no one left on our bench and things like that?/ WHen do you need to get desperate?
The pen the last 2 nights has been bad, and that is there ace in the hole.
Sarfate has never started in the majors so the Yanks should make him work Weds. You think the brain surgeons can figure that out? What are the chances that Jeter, cano, melky swing at the first pitch???
Take some pitches off Sarfate tommorrow, mental midgets…
It seems like whenever the Yanks lose, they place it on the opposing pitcher. “Oh he was great.” “Dominating stuff tonight.” I wish they would just stand up and admit they did not hit well. The orioles took advantage of every opportunity – like the HR off Mo. We did not.
I would not, however, place the blame on Mo and Molina. They’re human and make mistakes. My problem is with A-Rod. He’s getting paid %28 million a year. Yea he hits tons of solo shots, but when guys are in scoring position in clutch situations – nothing. He needs to learn that you don’t always need that huge HR swing to get RBIs.
At least the Sux lost again, and look like they’re gonna be swept again.
Anyone else think Betemit is DFA’d tomorrow?
Not a snowball’s chance in hell.
Peter rabbit I will bet you Betemit is not DFA’s how much you want to lose?
Name your price?
And if Sonnastine is better then Washbum why the hell do half you people on this website want him?????
And don’t forget Damon not getting a hit in the 1st inning, Jeter flying out twice, Abreu striking out in the 5th, A-Rod striking out in the 9th, Giambi leaving 5 on and 4 with RISP in his first 2 at bats, Cano striking out in the 9th, WIlson and Melky doing nothing, Nady striking out, Moeller striking out, Ras giving up hits in 7th and Marte and Mo giving up a bomb.
Team loss people. As Pete said, plenty of blame to go around.
Or you can focus on them showing a little fight and just coming up a little short.
Thought Burress was going for the O’s tomorrow. Now it’s Sarfate?
“And if Sonnastine is better then Washbum why the hell do half you people on this website want him?????”
I’m not one of the half you speak of. I don’t think Washburn stinks. I’m certain of it. Especially for $14M thru next year.
Giradi paying you to make excuses Abe –
This is his loss
You do not build a house money freakin lineup after getting abused tweo games in a row
You have Darrell you don’t know hat your gonna get Rasner on the Mound who loks a lot like Moose – so O’s hitters are primed – NO???
Therefore you support Rasner with the best offense defense you can muster—save the resat for when it is best to do so not worst
And you need to keep the game close——Martee you don’t expect to make the Walk HPB mess worse – but maybe you don’t send Rasner out in the seventh in a 2-1 winnable freakin game
This is not second guessing we were bitching from the time the lineup got posted
Beetemit has been as much of a diaster as Sexton—but that is what you get when you have four holes in the lineup—Mekly and Bettemit were 0-3 when the Yankees had posted 10 hits and 2 walks and had managed 1 Run on ARod’s homer.
I hate to see guys freeze (Xavier Nady) with 2 out runners on a 3-2 count and the pitcher decises I will not give in and drop a curve over—
See Beltran in the Playoffs vs the cardinals—ugly but what can you do—
That is the idiot’s delight lineup—Giradi learned this stuff from St Joe
You guys complain too much. Get a good night’s sleep or something.
kim
“I wish they would just stand up and admit they did not hit well.”
Your wish is granted. Watch the postgame on YES. A-Rod said he had a bad AB in the 9th. Do you feel better?
Pat – sorry I missed that, I was trying to get some dinner ready. That 9th inning completely distracted me.
See that’s what I like about the post-2006 A-Rod. He doesn’t BS with us. Gotta respect that.
Kennedy pitched great again tonight. Time to bring him up and sit Ponson for a while. And delay the WASHOUT trade till the end of August.
Kennedy should do better this time around – the kid tried getting married and starting a full season the same year – ouch!
and then getting hurt – double ouch!!
He is a starting MLB pitcher – we have to play the kids at some point.
It was a team loss. I can’t stand it when people take the opportunity after a loss to go after a certain player they have issues with. Again it was a team loss, it’s over and on to tommorrow. Come on Joba!
I actually heard some Yankee officials believed their acquiring Betemit would be comparable to the Red Sox acquiring Ortiz a few years back. It’s really amusing that people who get paid so much money can be more delusional than fans sometimes.
Kennedy did not pitch great. He lasted 5 innings.
You want round 2 of him barely making it out of the 3rd? At least Rasner and Ponson can get it to the 6th once in awhile.
Stop overhyping Kennedy. Generation Trey is a myth people.
It’s Generation Joba.
Everyone else is still not ready for primetime.
Hitters #1-5:
11-21, 6 runs, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 3 BB, 2 K
Hitters #6-9:
2-18, 0 runs, 0 HR, 2 RBI, 0 BB, 5 K
Screw the bottom half.
OMG jeter is the king of double plays .
when someone is on first,He hits to second,Or he forces the person out. I’m sick of his lousy bats.Captain double play!!!
Yeah his at-bat in the ninth was really lousy. The main problem in the lineup is that Girardi can’t figure out that Giambi can’t bat 5th. He is killing the team over and over again in big spots recently. Cano needs to be in that spot.
Betemit is a decent LEFTY hitter.Not a great glove but a GREAT hitter for a utility infielder.Allows them to free up a roster space and keep A Gon in AAA.Problem is he never shouldve hit in that spot.Sexson should have and if not Sexson shouldnt be on the roster.Girardi has a man crush on Betemit,thinks he is better than he is.
Betemit is a waste of a roster spot – a colossal joke. Not a fit on this Yankee team. Solid DFA candidate.
Not hitting Sexson is inexcusably bad managing.
VS LHP——Betemit 8-35 .229 2 HR 3 RBI
Sexson 23-70 .329 5 HR 14 RBI
Not even debateable. Sure, if you tie it A-Rod has to play 3B and you lose the DH, but it beats the hell out of letting that clown bat right handed in a key situation.
It’s nice to have switch hitters, but when they (melky too) are both so weak as RH hitters it really doesn’t help much.
Someone ripped on giving up HR to guys like Huff, Millar and Guillen. Those are exactly the kind of non-star, veteren, “professional” hitters the Yanks used to have.
G.Love you are just plain wrong, Kennedy went 6 innings, his only shortcoming in his start last night was 3 walks—otherwise, 3 hits and 5 Ks with 1 run allowed. That’s his third straight start with a similar line. Calls for him to be in the rotation are not a matter of overhyping, it’s about looking at his value in comparison to that of Sidney Ponson. You are delusional if you think Ponson is somehow a better option at this point because he might, once in a while get into the 6th inning. That argument has some kind of weight if you ignore every other aspect of his pitching, like giving up a ton of base runners and pretty much being about to implode at any moment on the mound, and pitching to a 6+ ERA while a member of the Yankees.
I’ve been a Yankee fan my entire life, but I have to be honest. After what they did to Torre last year, then so blatantly lied about it afterward to anyone who was dumb enough to listen (myself included), I can’t even watch the game. The Yankees are such a unique, sensitive team, and when the little problems start happening down the wire, when Torre knew how to deal with it, Girardi won’t, and the Yankees will self destruct down the road. You watch.