Teixeira available, but Yankees seek starter
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 29, 2008 
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Getting two types of e-mail this morning. Half are “Hey, I was at the Bruce show last night, too” and the rest are “Can the Yankees get Mark Teixeira?”
To the concert folks: Tremendous show, glad you had fun.
To the trade talkers: I don’t think so.
The Braves have made it clear that Teixeira is available but the Yankees are not inclined to use their better prospects on a rental player. There is no chance whatsoever that Scott Boras won’t put Teixeira on the market after the season.
The Yankees have one need and it’s a starting pitcher. Another bat would not hurt. But once Brian Cashman robbed the Pirates for Damaso Marte and Xavier Nady, the focus went to starting pitching. They’re playing chicken with Seattle for Jarrod Washburn.
Talked to two people this morning that said the Dodgers are so desperate for a shortstop that they may try and get Alberto Gonzalez. Sure, Joe, send Clayton Kershaw. I’d be surprised if the Yankees did anything to help the Dodgers.
first one !!!
Yes, but clatyon kershaw for alberto gonzalez?
That’s like a (I-can’t-say-it-and-keep-the-thread-G-rated) waiting to happen.
Trade AG for Bowa and Martin.
Lesson #2 from GM correspondence course: Ask for the moon!
Kennedy + Gonzalez + PTBNL for Kershaw. I like it.
“first one !!!”
lol
Arizona will get tex. We can’t sell low on our prospects now. Plus he is a fa at the end of the season
A-Gon + Betemit for Andy LaRoche, and or Kuo (since Torre hardly used him) Kuo could be our another lefty starter.
“A-Gon + Betemit for Andy LaRoche, and or Kuo (since Torre hardly used him) Kuo could be our another lefty starter.”
I don’t think the Dodgers want Betemit back after they just traded him for Proctor.
You mean Nomar doesn’t play SS anymore?
I heard someone on the radio compare what Manny is doing to what Nomar did. Nomar pulled himself from the game that Jeter went flying into the stands. That was an interesting contrast.
Here we go again…….
We got Betemit from the dodgers, no way we can trade him back to the dodgers…at least not so soon
“Graziano also talked to an NL official familiar with the Mets’ plans. That person said the Mets are considering a bullpen overhaul where they would ship out Aaron Heilman and Scott Schoeneweis and bring in different relievers.”
Oh yea, cause Heilman and Schoenweis is going to net you a ton lol
Maybe we can package Alberto Gonzales and someone else for Lowe?
I think Cashman is aggressively shopping Betemit around since there are better options than him. I wouldn’t be surpised to see Betemit gone before the Angel’s game on Thursday.
The Tiexera to the Yankees rumors need to be automatically dismissed because there is simply no room on this team for him. That is unless you want to play Damon in CF which I’m sure the vast majority here will oppose.
The acquisition of Nady basically killed any possibility of Nady coming here in 08.
Don’t worry, in 09 Tex will be a Yankee.
“The acquisition of Nady basically killed any possibility of Nady coming here in 08.”
I thought the Mets were gonna try and turn Heilman into a starter. I thought I read that somewhere.
Anywho, wait for Tex.
hahahaha…Kershaw for Gonazalez. Well, I guess we can all dream a little. Nonetheless, I would not want a pitcher that has been under the influence of Torre. Just look at how effective (i.e. see “horrible”) that Proctor has been this year and since Torre ruined his arm. I’m sure there are other pitchers on that staff who are being run out there incessantly too.
As for the Yankees…I am surprised the Mariners are thinking they can get more from the Yankees, other than a C-level prospect and the assumption of a ridiculous contract. Just shows how screwed up that front-office continues to be…Sexson, Beltre, Bedard, Washburn…who else? The Yanks don’t really HAVE to pull the trigger on this for anything more than what they have offered, but I’d like to see Washburn here. I don’t think he’s that good, but he’s a competitor with some fire and a lefty in NY is better than Ponson in NY.
“The acquisition of Nady basically killed any possibility of Nady coming here in 08.”
There’s another Nady??!!
CC Sabathia threw 125 pitches last night. People better start worrying about the Brewers and how they use the guy. This has the potential of a team with ZERO percent of retaining him to just run the guy into the ground.
Makes you wonder if Sabathia coming to the Yankees is such a sure deal. Especially when the guy is building a friggen house on the West Coast.
The acquisition of Nady basically killed any possibility of Nady coming here in 08.
it is me, or that doesnt make any sense at all? =X
Pete you need to ask about Meacham. Now hes holding up runners who could easily score instead of sending everyone. He clearly has no idea how to do his job.
“I’d be surprised if the Yankees did anything to help the Dodgers.”
No team is going to do something just to help another team out. Is there a Yankee/Dodger issue I’m missing?
A Gonzalez, Bobby Meachem and a bag of balls (possibly autographed by Girardi) for Larry Bowa, Derreck Lowe and the biggest scrub on their squad..
seriously though, kershaw is out of the question but i wonder if they can package gonzalez and some b-level prosepects for lowe
“CC Sabathia threw 125 pitches last night. People better start worrying about the Brewers and how they use the guy. This has the potential of a team with ZERO percent of retaining him to just run the guy into the ground.
Makes you wonder if Sabathia coming to the Yankees is such a sure deal. Especially when the guy is building a friggen house on the West Coast.”
everyone was expecting this. his agent and the players association better step up immediately or this guys career is going to be in jeopardy
I’m so happy about the Nady trade that I wrote Nady twice. Nady will be a solid Yankee because Nady is a righty and Nady hits lefties pretty well. I also think Nady is a much better field than Bobby because Nady isn’t afraid of the big bad blue walls at Yankee stadium. Too bad for Bobby since Nady has a contract into 09 and Nady will probably replace Bobby fulltime because Nady is a quality player.
pat: You ever heard of the 1950s?
Alberto Gonzalez is probably a C/B- prospect right? You can have the Yankees send Gonzalez to the Dodgers for a higher prospect that could be spinned to the Mariner’s for Washburn.
Russell,
Well, the HR last night marked Nady’s arrival!
I know the Yankees and scouts are really high on Gonzalez’s defense. His hitting is suspect, and it seems like hitting-shortstops have become the norm now. No more Ozzie Guillens and Ozzie Smiths and Omar Vizquels, I suppose.
if Cashman seriously want another lefty starter than Kuo would be the right man for the job. lefties are only hitting .215 (it would be a bit lower) off him. and plus, Seattle’s new GM think we must be stupid.
Is this Cash Money’s last year?
We need to resign him……….
“The acquisition of Nady basically killed any possibility of Nady coming here in 08. ”
Is this a gameday type thing? Nady is replacing Nady!
The Yanks should certainly trade AG for a better prospect, then they should still trade whatever they planned to to the Mariners if they’re still interested in dealing with them.
Thanks, Pete. We could definitely use some back of the rotation help, though I’d love to see Kennedy come in and win the job. I’d also like to see a catcher come in to spell/back up/provide an insurance policy to Jose and provide a better alternative to Moeller. You seem to be very adamant that the Yanks have no interest in acquiring another backstop. Is the Ken Rosenthal story re: the Yankees being interested in Gerald Laird just false? http://msn.foxsports.com/other.....8;ATT=3498
I wonder who Cash Money talks to, probably Gene.
Good thing he doesn’t dwell in here.
“Russell,
Well, the HR last night marked Nady’s arrival!”
I must have watched that HR 100x on gameday. What a shot… love a guy who can put fire in the club who had been getting shut down the whole game.
So..Fatcesa is going to possibly be by himself on WFAN and Russo might be going to Sirius?
From Neil Best’s blog:
When I first learned last month about the probable breakup of Mike Francesa and Chris Russo this summer, I was told it might take until Labor Day to sort itself out but more likely would be settled by Aug. 1.
So time is running out! But I’ve heard from three people this Tuesday that the end of the saga appears to be drawing close, and the basics have not changed lately. Chris is likely to land at Sirius for big dough, and Mike is likely to carry on without him, also for big dough.
It never bothered me when the athletes I interviewed made many times more money than me, but I admit it – it’s sometimes a little strange and depressing writing about sports media figures who make many times more money than me.
Sigh.
“A source tells the New York Post that a deal that would send Jarrod Washburn to the Yankees is “dead.â€
then so be it.
I wanted washburn. However, like it said in the movie Friday: “It’s about the principalities†Teams will grow to understand, the NYY organization will not be held up, like they used to be. Not as long, as Cashman have power
im not a big fan of a. gonzalez….the dodgers are still on the run, so i think they wont trade any of their starting lineup… if they get someone like abreu or dewitt it would be a steal
Somehow, I think CC will be able to afford an East Coast residence if he sticks his mind to it.
We can always hold a bake sale for him to help avoid a sub-prime mortgage.
You know guys the yankees didnt have a great comeback game in years ! The last time i remember was in 2005 when randy gave up like 7/8 runs against tampa and we were down like 11 something in the 8th and we came all the way back! (bernies 3 run double gave us the lead) thats a long time! Yes i know that they came back in a few games but i am talking about big Deficits.
A-Gon and Betemit for Russell Martin.
“Maybe we can package Alberto Gonzales and someone else for Lowe?”
intelligent idea.
I wonder how flexible LA is, to moving Lowe?
CC can go live in his big mansion after his arm falls off.
The Dodgers are trying to trade for a shortstop because they believe they are in the race. Trading away Derek Lowe would completely undermine that.
Anyway, Ned Coletti has flatly said “No” to the idea.
“A-Gon and Betemit for Russell Martin.
”
Careful Timothy, you are degrading the foundation of this blog.
al,
That game that Roger gave up 8 runs in an inning only to have the Yankees get them back would’ve been one for the ages if we had won.
Al Arodien…I was thinking the same thing last night, hoping for a mega-comeback. I don’t know if it dates back as far as you said, but definitely haven’t seen one this year and can’t remember one last year. I do remember them coming back on the White Sox, down 8, last year or the year before.
don’t understand why WFAN would retain Fancesca.
then again, i completely don’t understand why either have been on the network, as long as they have.
zero talent.
“The Dodgers are trying to trade for a shortstop because they believe they are in the race. Trading away Derek Lowe would completely undermine that.
Anyway, Ned Coletti has flatly said “No†to the idea.”
Would think that having Derek Lowe in their rotation is one of the reasons they feel it necessary to get a shortstop who can…well, actually play shortstop.
“The Dodgers are trying to trade for a shortstop because they believe they are in the race. Trading away Derek Lowe would completely undermine that.”
Very true, didn’t realize they were only a game out.
Can we get back Bowa from the Dodgers? They can have Bobby Meacham in return.
Maybe they feel they can play with no shortstop if they trade away D. Lowe.
Russell NY:
Willie Randolph will be back after this year…no more Meachem.
I don’t think its a big deal if the Yankees pass on Washburn. His being in the rotation isn’t the one thing that will push the Yankees past the other contenders.
IPK may just end up coming back and helping. Even Pavano has a shot. For back of the rotation, that might be good enough.
Doesn’t seeing all these closers flame out across baseball make you appreciate Mariano even more?
Sooner or later – I expect Meacham to need rotator cuff work done with all of the windmill waving he does.
Is there a DL for 3B coaches?
Maybe the best move is no move…….
CUYanks:
For sure…..
I do think there needs to be some move…at some point, as earlier in the year, Molina will get tired and it will effect his overall game. Another catcher would be preferable, even though Moeller is an easy guy to root for.
I don’t see the Dodgers helping us, or we helping them…
“Can we get back Bowa from the Dodgers? They can have Bobby Meacham in return.”
and Rudy Jaramillo from the Rangers.
these are the trades that NEED to happen
Maybe they will throw in Mattingly…
Moeller seems like a nice guy, but why not get Girardi back in as a player-manager backup. That would be exciting and he seems to still like to catch (see: All-star game)
Manny and Theo are at war in Boston…
mad dog was talking about how he beat someone up in a tennis tournament in new haven.. like it matters to the mets and yankees fans.. i listen to wfan on my way home mainly for the interviews and news regarding the yanks.. they probably have a commercial break every 5 minutes and its so annoying that i don’t listen to them anymore.. espn 1050 is atleast ok to listen to..
“Careful Timothy, you are degrading the foundation of this blog.”
Yep, keep coming with the hypocrisy.
I can’t believe Gammons actually said something negative about a Sox…….
Sorry just don’t think we match up well with a trade with the Dodgers…
LOL:
timothy, on espn?
CUYanks :
if he could hit he would still be playing
Nomar is going on the DL again thus why they are soooo desperate for a SS
As if Moeller can hit…
NongEyeJon:
Yes..
Is there any news on Sanchez???
Adding Texeira would be great but its not realistic this year. In the off-season I am sure the Yankees will offer him a blank check to play 1B. But this regime has shown they are not willing to trade prospects and sign a guy to a longterm deal. Which makes sense, why trade the future and give up a lot of money when you can just give up a lot of money when the guy hits the market. And he will hit the market, Boras will make sure of that. So it will just cost the Yankees money to have the Big Tex playing 1b next year.
Why would Meachams coaching surprise anyone. Wasn’t he the guy; along with Dale Berra to be thrown out at the plate as they both ran about 2 steps apart from each other?
But Neyer, Livan did his share of munching on innings!
Why do I keep thinking that Nomar retired earlier this season? Yaknow, despite all facts saying he hasn’t yet…
Where would Tex fit in the lineup?
Billinglsey is the better of the LA young starters.
off topic:
i look forward to playing the Angels, this season.
I heard Teixeira to Boston as a possibility on 1050 today, also the possibility of a 3 way trade with the Pirates and Mets, sending Manny to the Mets and Bay and Fernando Martinez to the Sox. If any of that happens, they’re going to run away and hide. I know Boras is involved with Tex, but I doubt that would be a rental if it were to happen…
And if the Dodgers want Alberto Gonzalez, I’d love to hear what they would offer.
I would just like to tell people who are down on Jose Tabata and think he is a bum to look at Carlos Quentin. He was in a similar position with the dbacks last year and now look at him he could be the MVP of the AL. I am not saying Tabata will be MVP next year but dont say he is garbage. He was in the Futures game at 17.
“Manny and Theo are at war in Boston…”
Ramirez now has Boras as an agent, right??? You have to believe that Boras, who makes nothing unless Ramirez gets a new contract, has instructed Ramirez to shoot his way out of town (read: make sure the option isn’t picked up) on the promise he can get him 4-5 years at big money. I think the 1st half of that plan has succeeded. But I also think Ramirez will have to play his ass off for 2 months to get 75% of what Boras is promising him.
I think Cashman needs to stop screwing around and give the braves what they want already. C.J.Henry for Texiera. Get it done!!
“I heard Teixeira to Boston as a possibility on 1050 today, also the possibility of a 3 way trade with the Pirates and Mets, sending Manny to the Mets and Bay and Fernando Martinez to the Sox. ”
Who would the Pirates get in return? Seems like they would be on the short end of the stick in that one.
I heard last night the mets offering Pelfry and Beltran for Manny. (I think it was Pelfry I was half asleep) Anyone else hear this or am i nuts?
I can’t see Tex in Boston someone will be left out..Youk Lowell, Ortiz???
“You know guys the yankees didnt have a great comeback game in years ! The last time i remember was in 2005 when randy gave up like 7/8 runs against tampa and we were down like 11 something in the 8th and we came all the way back! (bernies 3 run double gave us the lead) thats a long time! Yes i know that they came back in a few games but i am talking about big Deficits.”
That’s because it’s really difficult to come back from big deficits. It’s not a common occurrence for a team to come back from 7+ runs down.
I forgot, the Yankees are supposed to win every game, otherwise they’re losers.
vinny b,
The Angels are a ridiculous 6-1 against Boston this season.
O/T it was nice to see Matsuzaka get roughed up. Talk about ticking timebombs.
vinny-b,
i have to respectfully disagree. the angels scare me more than any other team in the majors.
Pelfrey + Beltran for Manny = Nuts.
“I heard Teixeira to Boston as a possibility on 1050 today, also the possibility of a 3 way trade with the Pirates and Mets, sending Manny to the Mets and Bay and Fernando Martinez to the Sox.”
And the Pirates get???
if Tex in boston, Youk goes to LF
I think the best deal for Boston is Matt Holliday for Manny. Not sure if or why Rockies do it but it works best for Boston. Maybe Boston adds some prospects b/c Manny would likely leave at end of year.
It’s official we are going to the WS, Steve Phillips said we have no shot.
That guy is never right……
Lowe’s availability I would think depends on Kershaw’s development and whether or not the Dodgers think Kershaw’s ready to step into Lowe’s spot. If so, Lowe could probably be had, but not for just AGonzo.
Ray, I think the Pirates would get prospects from both teams. I’m pretty sure I heard Boston would get Fernando Martinez as well, but that trade would make more sense if the Pirates got him instead.
The plan from there I guess would be to move Youk to LF and maybe Bay in CF?
“I heard last night the mets offering Pelfry and Beltran for Manny. (I think it was Pelfry I was half asleep) Anyone else hear this or am i nuts?”
yes, you are nuts. (i kid, kind of).
seriously, way too much from the Mets end. Maine just hurt his shoulder last night, and Pelfrey has been lights out. trading him right now makes no sense unless they are getting a pitcher back.
if Manny were to go to the Mets, Id guess the Mets would prob send FMart as the centerpiece and a couple of loose parts.
if I’m Omar, though, I make the move for Manny and roll the dice.
mel (47-1):
Yeah I watched that to, switching with MLB, love it, I caught the Tori 3 run bomb…made me laugh…100 mill…
How could the Dodgers trade Lowe and have any chance of competing this year? He’s basically their #1.
“I think the best deal for Boston is Matt Holliday for Manny. Not sure if or why Rockies do it but it works best for Boston.”
No way Colorado trades Matt Holliday for Manny Ramirez. Boston would have to send a couple of really good prospects along as well.
Can’t see them doing it anyway. Why would they trade their upstanding outfielder for a headache when they’re still in the race and have Holliday under control for one more year?
“I would just like to tell people who are down on Jose Tabata and think he is a bum to look at Carlos Quentin. He was in a similar position with the dbacks last year and now look at him he could be the MVP of the AL. I am not saying Tabata will be MVP next year but dont say he is garbage. He was in the Futures game at 17.”
I hope Tabata does well, but giving an example of a guy that turned it around could probably be countered by hundreds that didn’t.
I think we are going to be able to compete this year and without the trade I wasn’t so confident.
I will boldly predict that time will tell . . .
Timothy,
I’ve heard Lowell to LF, assuming Manny’s gone.
Really, all Boston needs is bullpen help. They must’ve been disgusted to hear the Yankees had snagged Marte.
I heard the Pirates beat writer on the radio yesterday and he said the Pirates got what they needed from us. They have zero pitching in the top of system.
I think the Mets could more than Manny for FMart right now.
If I’m the Mets, I don’t trust Omar to send anymore prospects anywhere. Martinez is about the only prospect they seemingly have left. He’s depleted that entire system…and he’ll trade it now to get Ramirez, who is flaky? I don’t know how you do that.
“The Angels are a ridiculous 6-1 against Boston this season.”
Heard this morning that the Angels are an incredible 40-18 vs. teams .500 or better.
I would be surprised if Tex went to Boston. Boras does not sign extensions… he puts clauses in contracts to get out of them. Boston will not trade top tier prospects for a 3 month rental… (As Theo and Cashman are cut from the same cloth).
Lowell to LF? He is still one of the best defensive 3b in the league, or has his defense deteriorated that much? Anyone have stats on this?
mel (47-1:
Actually Lowell out there is an upgrade, but I love the outfield Manny bloopers…
“Heard this morning that the Angels are an incredible 40-18 vs. teams .500 or better.”
and their road record is something like .100 pts higher than any other team in baseball.
The Angels are the team to beat…if they get a bat, and I read that they were now considering a Teixeira rental, they are the team to beat in MLB
CU Yanks,
I think that Tex to 1st sends the Yak to 3B, his natural position.
Who has more speed to play the outfield? Lowell or Yukface?
“and their road record is something like .100 pts higher than any other team in baseball.”
And we have a ton of games left with them on the schedule
I actually hope Manny stays put and torture’s the Sox the rest of the year.
Im a bit scared of the Angels series coming up. The scheduled pitchers are Moose, Andy, Ponson and Rasner. (In no particular order)
This has lose 3 of 4 or 4 of 4 written allover unless we can get a pitcher to replace Ponson or Rasner, whether its a minorleague pitch like Kennedy or Aceves, or a veteran from somewhere, we just need to get a different pitcher in here.
“Heard this morning that the Angels are an incredible 40-18 vs. teams .500 or better.”
Doesn’t that make them 25-22 against teams below .500 then?
“The Angels are the team to beat…if they get a bat, and I read that they were now considering a Teixeira rental, they are the team to beat in MLB”
Way to go out on a limb there. Considering they have the best record in the league. Dangerous pick.
TKinDC:
Yeah and did you see the squeeze play they did last night, made Varitek look slow…………
I hope our pitching is ready……..
” Boston will not trade top tier prospects for a 3 month rental… (As Theo and Cashman are cut from the same cloth).”
Didn’t Theo trade for Eric Gagne last year?
The Angels are also the only team to have at least 30 wins at home and on the road.
But they play in such a weak division. They’re like the champs of weak conferences, get killed when they get to the big dance. But Boston has been their postseason nemesis, have the tables turned?
Peter Gammons on Manny (Free Insider): http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....mons_peter
In case it hasn’t been posted, yet…
“I’ve heard Lowell to LF, assuming Manny’s gone.”
Wow. I guess their savior has the short end of the stick. What do they do with Cocoa Puffs?
leave tex to the offseason –
but filling the two holes they have at P are critical — give IPK a shot at Ponson’s and get Washburn for Rasner’s — if IPK fails there is only one hole and there is Rasner
yankee fans are obsessing over fairness issues —
the issue is minimizing risk — the post season is at hand but
without Washburn the Yankees do not make the post season
even with him they may miss but he will keep them in games that Ponson has no shot at
Gardner (who i was high on) will never hit in the majors well enough to post OF numbers
– can’t keep him and melky – so if he is needed to make the trade then so be it —
if you keep him and he funks in AAA after being in the show he will have no value over the winter — the better move is now
I can’t see the Sox trading Manny within the next two days. It’s too complicated a deal to do in such a short time. It’s more of an off-season move. I see them exercising his option and then trading hin like Cashman did with Sheffield. Then they have some control over where he goes.
And who did he trade? No top tier prospects. Tex’s cost is a tad be higher. According to MLBTR – it’s a 1bman, starter, and OF. Think Boston will match that price? unlikely.
“I actually hope Manny stays put and torture’s the Sox the rest of the year.”
Nice in theory, Tim. However, with free agency a near certainty for him this offseason, he now has to sing for his supper. Even as the soap swirls around him, he’s driven in 4-5 runs the past couple nights.
Ramirez = hitting savant
If Boston needs bullpen help, I hear this guy Eric Gagne is available.
be => bit
raymagnetic,
And this stupid part was they didn’t even need Gagne. Their bullpen was fine and he made it worse.
Looked like they were trying to block the Yankees. Meanwhile Murphy and Gabbard did okay in Texas.
“raymagnetic â„¢
July 29th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
†Boston will not trade top tier prospects for a 3 month rental… (As Theo and Cashman are cut from the same cloth).â€
Didn’t Theo trade for Eric Gagne last year?”
MLBTR on Tex traderumors:
“According to Mike DiGiovanna of the L.A. Times, the Angels are once again exploring a trade for Teixeira. They are warming to the idea of adding a rental player to their first-place club. The price for Teixeira is said to be a first baseman, starter, and power-hitting outfielder. DiGiovanna also wonders if a deal could be expanded to include Will Ohman, much like last year when the Rangers added Ron Mahay.”
Boston does not match up here. Youk, Lester/Masterson and Manny for Tex? unlikely.
Man if Tex goes to Halo’s:
Vlad
Tex
Tori
along with all the speed……
Tell Joe Torre Betemit turned into a hell of a gutsy middle reliever. He’ll give you Kershaw.
Besides, Youk is posting better numbers than Tex. And Tex is in the NL too. Boston isn’t giving up Youk for Tex straight up – why would they give up Youk, a starter, and a OF for Tex??
“And who did he trade? No top tier prospects.”
Engel Beltre is a top tier prospect.
If Boston needs pen help, we could offer Hawkins..:)
Manny is the best green monster defender in the league. They will miss him letting everything bounce of the wall and relay it to second. Once Damon got traded. He replaced him with the wall as their cutoff man.
“Man if Tex goes to Halo’s:
Vlad
Tex
Tori
along with all the speed……”
The Angels signed Tori Amos? She plays a mean piano.
sorry….had to again. i do like your posts.
Engel Beltre is in A ball. Tabata was a top tier prospect. Not so much now. Lot’s of dice rolling with players that young.
mel (47-1) -NongEyeJon
I was at that white sox game it was a nice come back but we lost the game ! alex rios hit a ball that is still going off farnsy i stayed till the end but we lost and i got home horse as hell! (ot to mention my right arm was hurting after all these slap fives!)
Jorge, Torre would bite on that.
from the Gammons article:
“A group of Red Sox watched the Yankees take early batting practice Friday, and they complimented the way Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Bobby Abreu and Johnny Damon show up every day. “Say what you want about A-Rod,” said one, “but he plays every day and he plays his behind off.” “
“Engel Beltre is in A ball. Tabata was a top tier prospect. Not so much now. Lot’s of dice rolling with players that young.”
Still doesn’t negate the fact that at this MOMENT he is considered a top tier prospect AND Theo traded him along with other for a rental player.
I never said that Boston was going to try to sign Tex. I was basically pointing out that Theo has indeed traded top tier prospects before for a rental player.
Mel,
They traded for Gagne to keep him away from the Yankees and I can imagine that Theo wouldn’t make the trade again if he had a do over.
“I heard last night the mets offering Pelfry and Beltran for Manny. (I think it was Pelfry I was half asleep) Anyone else hear this or am i nuts?â€
as comical as that rumor is, i wouldnt doubt it knowing Omar.
Well, Theo is entitled to his mistakes like Gagne…the guy has helped create 2 of the last 4 championships. At least its not Carl Pavano.
“Well, Theo is entitled to his mistakes like Gagne…the guy has helped create 2 of the last 4 championships. At least its not Carl Pavano.”
I believe in Theo’s case, Matt Clement played the role of Carl Pavano.
woohoo, i might be getting tickets for Saturday
Jorge Steinbrenner:
No prob,
Well, I guess that’s the difference between us. I don’t consider Beltre a top tier prospect yet. Until he proves he can perform at AA or AAA – all prospects got big question marks. (Small sample alert) IN 38 AB so far in A ball, he’s posting a .211 BA with a .461 OPS. Pretty big drop off from Rk league (.310, .971).
“Well, Theo is entitled to his mistakes like Gagne…the guy has helped create 2 of the last 4 championships. At least its not Carl Pavano.”
Just because they’ve won twice in the past 4 years doesn’t negate the fact that Theo made a bad trade. Just because they got the outcome they wanted (WS ring), doesn’t mean that the process was right.
Seriously, if I take a multiple choice test and blindly answer every question B or C all the way down but end up with a 65% on the exam does that mean my process was correct because I didn’t receive an F on the exam?
I don’t think the expectations for Matt Clement were the same as they were for Carl Pavano, though it is debatable.
Torii………….OK
Come to think of it, the Gagne trade was very un-Theo like.
Agree Sunny615. Beltre is a project. Some upside there, but he’s nowhere near a Top 200 prospect. Gabbard was a #6-#7 starter. Murphy has surprised. Very nice year. He alone makes the Gagne deal a steal.
I think we can take 3 of 4 from the Halo’s…We have Big Sexy..just kidding we can beat them…
“Well, I guess that’s the difference between us. I don’t consider Beltre a top tier prospect yet. Until he proves he can perform at AA or AAA – all prospects got big question marks. (Small sample alert) IN 38 AB so far in A ball, he’s posting a .211 BA with a .461 OPS. Pretty big drop off from Rk league (.310, .971).”
Who cares what you or I think in terms of a prospects’ value? I’m talking about people who actually get paid to rank prospects. In the scouting community Engel Beltre is highly thought of. That’s what matters, not what you or I think.
I can picture Omar falling all over himself For Manny. MLB trade rumors had a report saying the Mets may make certain prospects available. And they like Manny over Ibanez ,Dunn Winn (who wouldn’t) Red Sox would love for Manny to go to the Mets. NL and a shot to the Yanks at the same time.
All I am saying is that his mistakes lose their importance due to them winning. I’m sure we’d overlook some of Cash’s mistakes if the Yankees had won a series since 2000.
“They traded for Gagne to keep him away from the Yankees and I can imagine that Theo wouldn’t make the trade again if he had a do over.”
This is why I think the Marte/Nady trade was classic. With Fuentes up in the air there was a chance that Marte would have been the best Lefty RP on the market and he is safely swathed in pinstripes now for this year and next
mel (47-1):
Agree last year that surprised me.
I see a 3 way with the Dodgers for 2 months of Tex.
Dodgers: prospects to Atlanta
Yankees: Gonzales plus AA prospect to Dodgers
Atlanta: Tex to Yankees for 2 month rental
See if Tex likes NY before signing big contract?
In fact, Betemit plus Gonzales to Dodgers to get the Tex thing done may be even better…
PittsburghYankeeFan:
I see a 3 way with the Dodgers for 2 months of Tex.
Dodgers: prospects to Atlanta
Yankees: Gonzales plus AA prospect to Dodgers
Atlanta: Tex to Yankees for 2 month rental
See if Tex likes NY before signing big contract?
Pete forward this to Cash…
From Minor League SCOUT John Sickels:
“The Rangers picked up Engel Beltre from the Red Sox in the Eric Gagne deal. He has excellent tools, there is no doubt about this. And he’s young, born November 1, 1989.
I got some flack for rating him as a Grade C prospect in the book. Looking at it, I can see a case for Grade C+, given his strong scouting reports. But no higher than that at this point, not with these kind of performance numbers. He hit .208/.310/.400 with 44 strikeouts in 34 games for the GCL Red Sox. He then hit .310/.388/.583 in 22 games for the AZL Rangers after the trade, followed by .211/.250/.211 in nine games for Spokane. All told he hit a combined .243/.329/.433 in 65 games last year.
Near as I can tell, people are drooling over him because of the 22 games of hot hitting in the Arizona Rookie League, but are ignoring the 43 games of mediocre-to-poor hitting at the other two stops.
As stated, I can see him as a Grade C+. He’s young, he’s got a lot of power, and scouts like him. But his strike zone judgment is poor, his strikeout rate is very high, and even the scouts say he’s raw.
It’s too late to change the grade for the book, but I want to be more out of Beltre before buying into all the hype of him as a future star. He could turn into a star. But he could also flame out against advanced pitching, and I haven’t seen enough to decide which is more likely. Thus the grade.”
Sunny615,
That report was in January. Secondly a C+ grade to an 18 year old who has barely played any minor league ball is excellent despite what you may want to believe.
In July, Baseball America did their prospect hotsheet and they had more glowing things to say about him.
The Red Sox barely got to see him before they traded him away for Gagne. Trust me, Theo would not make that trade again.
“Seriously, if I take a multiple choice test and blindly answer every question B or C all the way down but end up with a 65% on the exam does that mean my process was correct because I didn’t receive an F on the exam?”
Uhhh raymagnetic. I did that in some school exams and it saved me from going to summer school. I would say it was a success!!!
by the way mad dog beat someone in a tennis tournament in new CANAAN not new haven. he lives there.
“Uhhh raymagnetic. I did that in some school exams and it saved me from going to summer school. I would say it was a success!!!”
Doesn’t mean your process was correct however no matter how successful it turned out.
“Trust me, Theo would not make that trade again.”
——
wasn’t that my point?
Could Chase Wright step in after a start or 2 in Scranton and do better than Ponson?
If you think you are getting Texeira for A. Gonzales and a AA prospect youre crazy.
“wasn’t that my point?”
Was it? I thought your point was that Theo doesn’t trade prospects for rental players. Which he just did last year.
I don’t think the Yanks are willing to find out if Chase Wright is ready just yet…especially after rushing him last year. Ouch.
Pffth. Just pretty much ignore any post that has Teixeira in it because none of it makes sense.
They won’t throw Wright against the Angels.
I don’t get the Teixeira talk. Where would be play in the field/lineup this year?
Damn ray. I was joking. I never answered all c’s. But I did narrow it down to two answers and flipped a coin. Some of these gm’s are like blind squerrells finding a nut. Im with you bro. FYI, I was a good student at school. Always sat by the smart person in class. As Todd Marinovich said one time. “I have math this year?”.
I guess we’re also not going to see Melancon this year…and Bruney does not appear to be ready yet.
After rushing several pitching prospects into the majors and watching most of them get burned, I think (hope) the front office learned its lesson.
I guess actually having prospects is so new to them, they don’t know what to do.
And you just said – he wouldn’t do that trade again. So yes, that was my point.
If the dodgers could get Tex, which they wont, why would they give him up for Alex Gonzales. Torre would probably want his old buddy Jeter. But the way he’s played this year I doubt that they would want him and his 40 mil + over the next 2 years.
Stop the insanity!
Not to all: In no way do I think any of this will happen so dont attack me.
“Could Chase Wright step in after a start or 2 in Scranton and do better than Ponson?”
I think he’s probably still shell shocked from that outing vs. the sox. He would have to go to a shrink for rehab first.
Sunny and Ray –
boston.com has a slide show featuring Theo’s in-season deals over the years. It wasn’t all that enlightening, but the sight of Byun Hun Kim in with a big red B on his hat did make me a little hot
SoS27,
I think sending him to Double-A was for that shellshock.
Wish Boston would trade for Kim again.
What about Vincent Padilla?
The Yankees need to slow down the use of Melancon this year. I haven’t checked his lines recently but no more of this multiple inning stuff for him. I wouldn’t mind him getting added to the 40 man and seeing him for 5-10 innings this September. Just to get him some experience.
Padilla would be great if we wanted to bean everyone in the Boston lineup.
“Wish Boston would trade for Kim again.”
And Gagne! He nearly blew the Division for them last year. Ahh those were good days my friends. Remember when Gagne was stinking up every game he entered and Jobamania was sweeping NY. Good times indeed.
teixeira is useless this year. Without damon in the field, we would have to rotate giambi and him in the DH spot. He should not even be considered until next year when giambi is gone. Of course getting tex and CC is quite a task. It would be one of the greatest offseasons ever. (minus the celtics)
LF – Damon
SS – Jeter
RF – Nady
3b – Arod
1b – Tex
DH – Matsui
2b – Cano
C – Posada
CF – Melky
Gardner could platoon throughout the outfield to give damon a rest. (although he and betemit/gonzalez should be on the move (and melky after ’09 for the era of ajax)
Then:
1: CC
2: Wang
3: Joba
4: Hughes
5: pettite
bullpen: marte, robertson, edwar, melancon?, rivera, veras, cox?
= World Series
I wouldn’t want Melancon pitching this September. We’re already playing catch up as it is. No reason to put an untested arm in there. And isn’t he catching up on his innings limit this season?
Retire 51…..I like your thinking!
Derby and All-Star Game pics and video up on my blog
http://thefinalseason.blogspot.com/
“The Yankees need to slow down the use of Melancon this year. I haven’t checked his lines recently but no more of this multiple inning stuff for him. I wouldn’t mind him getting added to the 40 man and seeing him for 5-10 innings this September. Just to get him some experience.”
Sometimes, you don’t get the full story from the box score. I have no problem when he pitches 3 innings, given it’s usually on ~25 pitches! Heh.
#51,
Sick team. That would for sure net us #28. Yes on Melancon.
steve philips is an idiot
bos won’t trade manny… how can they compete this year without him, unless they get a big bat to replace him
if we dont get washburn, it would be very stupid on sea’s part
Melancon is reaching his innings limit soon, which is why we wont see him up there. I wouldnt be surprised to see him next year, like Joba’s role last year.
If Pavano cameback this year and helped us win the W.S. Would he still be one of our worst signings ever?
Stark’s latest:
“there are indications now that the Dodgers and Yankees have “flirted” with the Braves on Teixeira in the last 24 hours, said an official of one team that spoke with the Atlanta brass.
According to teams in this mix, the Braves aren’t necessarily insisting on getting a first baseman back, but they’ve made it clear that’s their preference. And if they don’t get a first baseman in return, they still are prioritizing a big-league-ready bat as the centerpiece of any trade.”
IPK+ Alberto Gonzalez= Kershaw I do that in a second.
Cant they shut Melancon down for a few weeks to keep his innings down and bring him up for a month to get his feet wet?
What are the odds the Braves covet Eric Duncan?
“If Pavano cameback this year and helped us win the W.S. Would he still be one of our worst signings ever?”
nope.
Pavano could win the World Series, Cy Young, People’s Sexiest Man of the Year Award, a Pulitzer Prize and an Emmy and he would still be one of the worst signings ever.
“Al from BK
July 29th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
IPK+ Alberto Gonzalez= Kershaw I do that in a second.”
———-
Too bad the Dodgers wouldn’t.
Baltimore?
I’m going to see the Yanks at the Stadium South on the 23rd
Does anyone have any tips:
where to eat?
where to stay if I can’t find a spot in the harbor
Is Boog’s really that good?
Is there a Yankee bar?
what to avoid
any advice appreciated
“If Pavano cameback this year and helped us win the W.S. Would he still be one of our worst signings ever?”
I wish I could answer that, but I don’t believe in fairy tales.
… that would be to Pavano coming back and being major league ready.
“What are the odds the Braves covet Eric Duncan?”
Hell throw in his brother just to sweeten the pot.
“If Pavano cameback this year and helped us win the W.S. Would he still be one of our worst signings ever?”
First of all wont happen, second of all yes it is still an epic fail 4 years 40 mil for 5 wins.
No Teixeira talks until winter. Even then give Scott Boras a one time take it or leave it offer. To begin with, Teixeira has been overhyped.
Tony Womack is definitely one of the worst ever. I don’t know if he compares to Pavano tho.
Hey guys, can someone help me with that, i’m looking for tickets for thursday nights game, i tried stubhub but prices are really high there. so i looked on ebay i found some there but the guy claims thet;ll email me the tickets and i can print it out, did you ever heard of that? do they accept that at the stadium?
I’ll appreciate if someone can help me with that.
Thanks
“What are the odds the Braves covet Eric Duncan”
ha!!
how about Juan Miranda? he rakes against righties, but needs to work on hitting LHP, though he’s had a pretty productive 2nd half, right?
Would the dodgers do IPK and Gonzo for Derek Lowe?
retire 51 has got it goin on. Maybe not so much in the bullpen. Marte is due 6 mil next year although he might sign a 2 year for 8 or 9 mil. I read in the Post today that Hal said that the the wallet is definitely open this offseason for the likes of Tex and somebody like CC if not CC himself(I like Sheets as well) . The Yanks probably have to sell off all those 300,000$ suites and 2,500$ seats so it is in their best interest to put a more reliable product on the field for next year.
I think the Yankees should try and package something to get us Russell Martin, its a stretch but the guy’s all-star game defense alone sold me on him haha. I can dream big, the guys a gamer.
Even if pavano pitches all 4 games in the world series that we win, i’ll be happy, but his signing would still be a bust,
I’d be surprised if:
(a) The Yankees did anything to help another team rather than help themselves.
(b) The Yankees refused to make a trade with the Dodgers because they’re the Dodgers. The Yankees have less to fear from giving a ML-ready player to the Dodgers than any AL team and many NL teams. Is this supposed to mean that the Yankees hold a grudge against Torre and therefore won’t trade with the Dodgers? Because that would be a pretty stupid claim.
(c) The Yankees refused to trade A-Gon, who is probably just a utility infielder at best, if they could get something useful in return.
Eric Duncan has a brother?
I like Miranda altough i’m not sure on his defense.
Oh and I say NO to lowe.
They’ll accept the email tickets. I’ve gotten tickets that way on Craig’s list.
Pitch count is more important than IP. Of course, there’s no where to access teh amount of pitches. If Melancon is throwing 2-3ip but only throwing 25 pitches its not as big of a deal.
the dodgers said they have no intention of moving lowe.
also i still don’t understand, how could the yankees possibly get teixeria, and what in gods name would they do with him
““What are the odds the Braves covet Eric Duncan?â€
Hell throw in his brother just to sweeten the pot.”
Is it mathematically possible for odds to be negative?
(I assume this is a reference to ED’s injured brother from another mother Shelley?
“Would the dodgers do IPK and Gonzo for Derek Lowe?”
If they want to compete this year i wouldnt think so.
Russell Martin isnt going anywhere. He’s the corner stone of that team. Maybe for Arod.
“Would the dodgers do IPK and Gonzo for Derek Lowe?”
no chance. and the dodgers already killed the idea of Lowe going anywhere, period, now that there is a race in the NL West.
guys did you saw my question about tickets above?
I’ll really appreciate if someone knows the answer.
If Jeter or Cano get hurt in the last two months who plays second or short? Why trade AGon he is the only option we have.
YankeesBen
The E tickets are accepted but you have to trust the seller as he can sell as many e tickets as he wants for the same seat. Thursday’s not a big game so I doubt he’s swindling you. I sold some email playoff tickets a couple of years back and gave the buyer my cell # if there was a problem.
Blargh
July 29th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Eric Duncan has a brother?
Yeah Big Sexy………..:)
Thanks Ian, apreciate your help.
Did anyone else see this?
Jul 29 The Newark Star-Ledger reports New York Yankees SP Chien-Ming Wang (foot), on the 60-day disabled list with a torn tendon in his foot, is scheduled to meet with a doctor at Columbia Presbyterian on Tuesday, July 29, and he could have his cast removed.
“Eric Duncan has a brother?”
Yes. Shelley,as tk in dc stated. From another mother.
“I think the Yankees should try and package something to get us Russell Martin, its a stretch but the guy’s all-star game defense alone sold me on him haha. I can dream big, the guys a gamer.”
He’s terrfic, but do you really want to see Austin Jackson and Phil Hughes playing for the Dodgers????
“If Jeter or Cano get hurt in the last two months who plays second or short? Why trade AGon he is the only option we have.”
Wilson Betemit has pretty much become our UI.
“He’s terrfic, but do you really want to see Austin Jackson and Phil Hughes playing for the Dodgers????”
And that’s not even going to be enough to get him.
S.o.S.27
July 29th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
“Eric Duncan has a brother?â€
Yes. Shelley,as tk in dc stated. From another mother.
Yes aka…Big Sexy 2………
“If Jeter or Cano get hurt in the last two months who plays second or short? Why trade AGon he is the only option we have.”
Thats easy. We would have Posada postpone his surgery and get an infielders glove. He did get drafted as a shortstop i believe.
if jeter gets hurt for a month or more you may see A-Rod at short.
Besides they can always bring up Nick Green or Cody Ransom, or Maybe Bernie Castro, Castro has lotta speed but a little bat.
We have have a better shot at getting Josh Beckett for IPK, than Russell Martin……
Betemit can play a game or two but not a long stretch. Defensively he is horrible, obviously the Yankee have no faith in his defense either they brough up AGon in the beginning of the year for that short stretch when Jeter pulled a hammy
Hmm, Dave Duncan’s been busy then
S.o.S.27:
2nd base…..
the only trades i think are still worth considering are the washburn deal (low prospects and contract only) and I still think the idea of going after laird or salty is a good one.
Any chance of getting Burnett in the 12th hour?
people have always spectulated that cano could be a good 3b some day, he has a cannon. so maybe arod could fill in at short and cano at 3rd (i assume he has a good first step considering his range at 2b). then betemit could hold his own at 2b
I don’t think Shelley and Eric are related…
If Jeter or Cano get hurt then the season is over anyway.
51, if the Yankees got Teixeira then Sexson would be gone. Big G would be sharing DH with Damon. Damon getting time in Left and DH, Abreu getting days off via Nady.
Leo –
Sure – but Betemit is lousy at several positions!
no way the jays are loving burnett right now, he has been on fire. next to LAA, the jays could ahve the best rotation in the AL when healthy.
“I don’t think Shelley and Eric are related…”
Their not Chris. Just having some fun with it.
does anyome now how many innings hughes is slated to trow tonight in his rehab start
“I don’t think Shelley and Eric are related…”
they arent. Shelley is related to Chris, who is his brother and plays for St. Louis.
“51, if the Yankees got Teixeira then Sexson would be gone. Big G would be sharing DH with Damon. Damon getting time in Left and DH, Abreu getting days off via Nady.”
that makes sense but is the price worth it. being that damon has not been playing the field, it seems like a waste to have him and giambi sharing time as dh. we want both of them in the lineup
clowns russel martin is untouchable.. why these trades that will never ever happen????
the dodgers will trade with the yanks, why wouldn’t they??
jimmy27: the boogs and jack daniels bbq are amazing
Has anyone heard any updates on Wang?
Thanks Jay
According to Marc Z
July 29th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Did anyone else see this?
Jul 29 The Newark Star-Ledger reports New York Yankees SP Chien-Ming Wang (foot), on the 60-day disabled list with a torn tendon in his foot, is scheduled to meet with a doctor at Columbia Presbyterian on Tuesday, July 29, and he could have his cast removed.
The Post is reporting that Wang was recently spotted hanging low and to the left.
Oh wow. Idk how I missed that. lol
has there ever been more of an “oh, crap! moment with a young player than Chase Wright giving up back-to-back-to-back-to-back monster shots to the Sox?
I will always root for anyone who withstood that, and still decided baseball was for him, to succeed.
““I don’t think Shelley and Eric are related…â€
Their not Chris. Just having some fun with it.”
SOS – you are learning the same painful lesson I have many times. Sarcasm is totally lost on the blog.
Aren’t we all related somehow?
jimmy27 – where are you coming from
The name Russell alone makes him an all-star.
see add on to screenname
“SOS – you are learning the same painful lesson I have many times. Sarcasm is totally lost on the blog.
”
And sarcasm degrades the conversation on the blog and is STRICTLY prohibited
Jay
New York City – never really spent any time in the Charm City
jimmy – do yourself a favor. drive home after.
the argument is that the yankees will look stupid if joe torre and the dodgers make it to the playoffs and the yankees do not. (stupid in my opinion). talking about acquiring martin is like talking about trading for david wright, ortiz, hanley, russell martin (in terms of value at his position) is the very best, and is the heart/future of the dodgre organization.
Can’t meeting someone there.
What should I be wary of, do our fellow Yankee fans get too rowdy?
5.6 Earthquake in L.A.
Hope people are alright.
Um baltimore is a rough town outside of the inner harbor area. dont stray too much.
I felt it, it is no big deal…
except for angels rotation…is that bad
“The New York Post reported that the deal is “dead” because the Mariners have asked for a quality prospect from the Yankees, believed to be future closer candidate Mark Melancon, and due to the $13.6 million left on Washburn’s contract.”
http://trades.mlblogs.com/arch.....hburn.html
Did you guys hear they are asking for Melancon??
thanks Jay
I’ll stick to the traveled areas and go by cab
“What should I be wary of, do our fellow Yankee fans get too rowdy?”
There will be more Yankee fans than O-fans. But yes, they will be rowdy.
“the argument is that the yankees will look stupid if joe torre and the dodgers make it to the playoffs and the yankees do not.”
what does how the Dodgers do have anything to do with the Yankees?
ESPN Radio reporting 3-way rumors involving Manny, Tex, and a third team. Whatever.
Again, worry about what the Yanks do, and no one else.
NO WAY the Yankees deal Melancon for Washburn.
No way. That’s hang-up-the-phone territory.
i agree it is stupid, but a lot of writers like to write about dramma and tension between torre’s dodgers and the yanks
The Sox would love to have Texiera, but it’s simply not a match. Where would he play, or who would he bench, is the problem. He can’t DH cuz you got Ortiz there. If he moves to 1st he benches Youkilous, who could play 3rd but then Lowell would be on the pine. The match just isn’t there.
The Yankees won’t trade what it takes to get Tex. Tex is a type A free agent. He’s going to net 2 picks for Atlanta if they keep him. So the prospects have to be more valuable than the picks. Also, if he comes here, that means a log jam at DH. Two of Damon/Nady/Abreu/Giambi/Matsui would be on the bench. If Matsui comes back, then one of the 4 would be pine bound, unless Damon moves to center field, which isn’t happening since he can barely survive left. Forget Tex.
Trade Melancon for Tex. We need him.
“i agree it is stupid, but a lot of writers like to write about dramma and tension between torre’s dodgers and the yanks”
“media narrative” is a problem. it’s happenning in politics as well. never let it distract you from the truth, though.
tex + CC ’09, it is a wasted to get him this year
melancon for washbum, that is hilarious..
they will be lucky to get a bag of balls..
the yanks will get the bum thursday right before the trade deadline else the mariners are even dumber then i thought and I do not think much of them.
manny will say with the sux this is the usual blather…
Cash please tell me your targeting Salty..
“Trade Melancon for Tex. We need him.”
this blog needs a virtual bouncer who’ll throw you in the middle of the street for saying something like this.
Man – so much for the organizations love affair with Varitek – what an overrated bum.
why trading the future closer for a 2 month rental in a position they have a glut at is not wise???????
the trade proposals on this site are moronic mostly…
Cash please tell me your targeting Salty..
Salty for 1B if failed to land Tex next season, and if Posada is healthy and regained arm strength to catch again.
Here’s the danger of dealing for Tex or keeping him in Atlanta’s case.
If he signs with a team like the Orioles in the off season who are rumored to be willing to open the vault for the hometown boy AND the Orioles 1st round pick is in the top 15 picks, then the team that loses him does not get that first round pick and instead gets the sandwich picks where the player talent is less than earlier in the first round.
So Atlanta can’t go into negotiations expecting 2 legitimate 1st round pick type talent.
They’re going to get one solid prospect like a Tabata and they’ll get some other pieces.
As for the Yankees needing him, I wouldn’t touch him right now and you know I’m all on board with trading kids for vets.
I just think that 1b is the least of our problems. We need starting pitching and we should use our assets whether it be prospects or cash to fortify this rotation for the stretch run.
Anyone counting on Hughes/Wang/Kennedy to fortify the rotation this season is dreaming.
We need one more solid pitcher and I hope Cashman can find one before the deadline.
“this blog needs a virtual bouncer who’ll throw you in the middle of the street for saying something like this.”
Sounds like a job for Russell!
Trade Melancon for Tex. We need him.
shoot yourself
Kei Igawa didn’t get traded … Go Kei!! Your the anchor for our AAA staff.
Cash should give the Mariners Melancon
for Brandon Morrow
We scored 4 runs yesterday, which is not HORRIBLE. Something tells me that since they scored 13, we need to fill up the bullpen with some reliable guys and and two decent starting pitchers to the end of our rotation. Also, something also tells me that the trade market is abundant with guys like that.
i agree salty is the player to go after
does this fit?
trade market is NOT*
and i dont think we need to change our bullpen the slightest. if anything i noticed the lack of bad players like hawkins we could put in to kill innings yesterday being that geise did it on sunday
If we don’t make the deal for Salty then Boston might get Teagarden for cheap, we need to add a promising young catcher and in doing so we drive the price up for Boston.
“If we don’t make the deal for Salty then Boston might get Teagarden for cheap, we need to add a promising young catcher and in doing so we drive the price up for Boston.”
exactly. boston will be laughing while we are screwed with posada’s 4 yr deal and they are shipping variteks fat ass off. we need a promising catcher, for both this year and the future.
About online tickets check this out
http://www.myfoxny.com/myfox/p.....038;sflg=1
You down on Monterro Brandon?
Don’t we already have 3 or 4 promising young catchers in the system? For the post-Posada era and all.
Sometimes, the bullpen looks good and sometimes it doesn’t. You just don’t know what you’ll get.
seriously, since the Mariners want melancon, Id like to see if they would do something like Melancon and Cox for Morrow and Washburn….or get even more creative. Bottom line, Id ask for Morrow in any deal with the Mariners that include any of our top prospects.
“Man – so much for the organizations love affair with Varitek – what an overrated bum.”
A putrid year with the bat and, perhaps more importantly, the Posada contract working against him. I’d guess they’d still offer him a couple years even if they were to get Teagarden.
Montero won’t hit the big leagues for another 2 years atleast TK.
These 2 could or could not be related but if a young SP lands Salty since his stock is low right now sell them Horne or Kennedy.
“If we don’t make the deal for Salty then Boston might get Teagarden for cheap, we need to add a promising young catcher and in doing so we drive the price up for Boston.”
sometimes i think people worry about the Sox so much on here that they actually sleep in Varitek PJs.
i agree on not counting on IPK and Phil in ’08. i still think we see the Wanger before the year is through.
“Don’t we already have 3 or 4 promising young catchers in the system?”
Cervelli is not in the class of the Texas guys and Montero and Romine are years away (plus Montero probably won’t be an MLB catcher).
Peter, lets get the roster for the games up sooner from now on….thx
Salty is an overrated player. He can’t catch.
I’d say there is close to a 0% chance that Cashman will trade for Saltalamacchia or Teixeira.
“We scored 4 runs yesterday, which is not HORRIBLE. Something tells me that since they scored 13, we need to fill up the bullpen with some reliable guys and and two decent starting pitchers to the end of our rotation. Also, something also tells me that the trade market is abundant with guys like that.”
The bullpen isnt the problem when yours starter cant get out of the 4th inning and gives up 7 ER. The pen had a bad night in a blowout they are allowed a bad night especially when the starter mails it in.
Melancon has to be completely untouchable.
I do worry that the ship has sailed on Alan Horne, though.
2 years away is not a problem at all
We still have Posada for another 3 whole years
Molina’s still signed through next year
If we really, really need a catcher after next year as a stopgap until Jesus is ready (assuming he’ll still be a catcher then), then we might as well throw money at Bengie Molina’s face then for 2010 (his current contract runs out after ’09).
the post posada era could be a lot sooner than we think. also, montero is still looking like a 1b. if he can become a good catcher then great. Romine could be a solid prospect. regardless both are still in low a.
My personally if we need to get a catcher i would wait til the offseason rather than now, if he is available now he will be available in the off season and the price may be better at that point
Id like to see if they would do something like Melancon and Cox for Morrow and Washburn….or get even more creative. Bottom line, Id ask for Morrow in any deal with the Mariners that include any of our top prospects.
I wouldn’t do that. Morrow for Melancon straight up yeh, Melancon and Cox (who’s robbing who here ?)
And in the case of Saltalamacchia we have seen it the hardest position to shore up is catcher (especially one that can hit) We need to have a back up plan incase Montero or Romine don’t pan out. Think if Montero gets hurt or Romine sdtarts struggling the catching position gets hit. Salty for IPK or Horne would be smart since or depth is full of pitchers and in the offseason most likely the FO will look to buy 1 ace in the market.
They should trade Melancon for a top starter if they can’t get Tex. We have enough in the pen.
Horne is terrible and he’s hurt. And you are going to get Salty for him?
“If we don’t make the deal for Salty then Boston might get Teagarden for cheap, we need to add a promising young catcher and in doing so we drive the price up for Boston.â€
Teagarden would cost the Buchholz.
“Melancon has to be completely untouchable.
I do worry that the ship has sailed on Alan Horne, though.”
I feel the same way about Horne.
*them
Horne’s time has passed. 26 yr old in AAA, already injured 3 times this year, Can’t find the plate… he has no value.
Id rather have Brandon Morrow than “Salty”(gayest nickname ever by the way)
Forget Salty. Max Ramirez can actually catch and will remain at that position. Salty probably won’t end up being a MLB catcher (he will move to first) and Ramirez has shown flashes of being able to handle MLB pitching fairly well.
And its not like we are down on Montero, because none of us are. We all just know that he will grow to probably be our future 1B. And I don’t mean weight wise, like Miggy Cabrera or something. He just has a lot of natural growing to do and will be too big to play the position.
“They should trade Melancon for a top starter if they can’t get Tex. We have enough in the pen.”
Enough in the pen for the next 5 years?
Melancon is the best pen prospect in the organization.
Horne is terrible and he’s hurt. And you are going to get Salty for him?
Salty’s stock is low, you read reports teams are looking at Laird and TT first and that’s not because he’s not available.
They should trade Melancon for a top starter if they can’t get Tex. We have enough in the pen.
This makes absolutely no sense, where the hell does he play this year ? so you take the DH away from Damon and Matsui when he returns ..and you know he’s going FA, plus the guy you want to deal Melancon that’s Mo’s successor.
The pen is loaded. Melancon should be moved now while his value is high. We should learn our lesson from not trading Kennedy and Hughes and Horne.
“Salty’s stock is low, you read reports teams are looking at Laird and TT first and that’s not because he’s not available.”
They’d NEVER accept Horne for him. IPK?? Maybe.
“Hideki Matsui took 20 swings off the tee yesterday and 5 swings with soft toss. He’s hoping to be back in 2 weeks.”
From mypinstripes
When I think about tonights game I get flashbacks to Danny Cabreras 1 hit shutout a few years back(cringe. Likely more of the same tonight.
Dont fall in love with average prospects. This team can win a title now. And the system isn’t barren.
I’m not sure it is smart to trade Kennedy now… then we would have gotten rid of 4 insurance policies for Rasner/Ponson, having lost Karstens, Ohlendorf, McCutchen, and then Kennedy. Aceves is the only legit guy left. Wang is probably not going to be back until late in the playoff chase, and they will be very cautious with Hughes. Then we have come full circle and will be dependent on Pavano. Again… Rasner and Ponson have long surpassed their expiration date.
If we get another pitcher like a Washburn/Lowe, I’m all for it. I don’t think Kennedy has a long term future with us, but this year he could be very important.
Another starter is far more of a pressing need than a catcher, who probably won’t even stay at catcher.
bradon…. Morrow is a alot better than Melancon and Cox is nothing special. Not to mention Morrow would be the yankees number 4 starter in 09 if they were to get him now.
“The pen is loaded. Melancon should be moved now while his value is high. We should learn our lesson from not trading Kennedy and Hughes and Horne.”
So if we went back in time, you trade Mariano when we have Wettland b/c the bullpen is fine?
The pen is loaded. Melancon should be moved now while his value is high. We should learn our lesson from not trading Kennedy and Hughes and Horne.
Kenndy’s case was a package deal for a SP in Queens not pitching better Mike Mussina.
Hughes ^^^ (SAME)
Horne I agree on. Too many people fell in love w/ his tools.
Melancon is not the same case.
“The pen is loaded. Melancon should be moved now while his value is high. We should learn our lesson from not trading Kennedy and Hughes and Horne.”
Horne, I’ll give you. His stock has fallen fast.
I’m still curious as to why everybody is writing off IPK and Hughes so quickly though. IPK is a small sample size in the majors and Hughes is younger than 11/18 pitchers that were in the FUTURES GAME. Maybe some people forget how young these guys are and how it takes time to develop pitchers. Patience is a virtue that most people on here don’t seem to have. You think Dodgers’ fans are begging for Kershaw to be traded right now? How about Billingsley when he first struggled in the majors? Organizations have to have patience and since they do, the fans should as well.
If Cash listened to Brandon we would have the terrible Eric Threets in the pen and Jeff Keppinger as our righty bat. The kids heart is in the right place. The head is somewhere else.
bradon…. Morrow is a alot better than Melancon and Cox is nothing special. Not to mention Morrow would be the yankees number 4 starter in 09 if they were to get him now.
Were going to acquire CC in the offseason, you have Hughes, Sanchez, Joba, Pettitte, maybe Wang and that Brackman kid…again a 2 MRP for 1 makes no sense. Especially when that one is my future CL.
Somebody asked earlier how mong Hughes was supposed to pitch tonight and I am not sure if it has been answered yet.
Yankees.com has both Hughes and Pavano slated for 2 innings apiece.
Matt –
I’m generally with you, but the way IPK performed early this year left people with the impression that he was not able to compete at this level. He seemed afraid to throw strikes.
He needs to come back and silence that criticism with strong results – until his does, I would be happy to trade him for value.
Humberto Sanchez translates as a set-up/closer guy not a SP.
If you want to trade prospects what about Duchscherer, I read others have contacted the A’s about him.
“Kenndy’s case was a package deal for a SP in Queens not pitching better Mike Mussina.”
He’s pitching a lot better than Mussina, but is nonetheless falling short of expectations.
If Cash listened to Brandon we would have the terrible Eric Threets in the pen and Jeff Keppinger as our righty bat. The kids heart is in the right place. The head is somewhere else.
Would you like to investigate my trash bin in the yard too ? Exactly…shut up and act like a poster. Oh and Keppinger hits .321/.372/.474 his last 3 years w/ RISP a perfect PH/utility player (exactly shut up and keep walking)
“Dont fall in love with average prospects. This team can win a title now. And the system isn’t barren.”
You deserve an endless loop of late-season acquisition Steve Trout giving up 20 runs in his first start, with the occasional footage of Denny Naegle and a transvestite hooker.
don’t fall in love with going for broke.
It is a sad truth but Molina is a better catcher than anyone you could currently trade for.
TK
Depends on what we are trading him for. I liked what I saw last year from IPK and I know he still has it in him to perform that way. He is bat shy and just not aggressive enough this year. Young pitchers always feel that they have to make the perfect pitch in every situation. I still think IPK has it in him to be a solid #3, or very good #4 in the majors.
Humberto Sanchez translates as a set-up/closer guy not a SP.
Since when ?
Bilbo you still there or picking up your jaw from the floor ?
Here’s some more about Keppinger
2008 w/ RISP
.383/.483/.532
he has 18 hits in 47 AB, 5 of those hits w/ RISP are for XBH, he also has 9 BB in these situations. Hurts..yes ..No ?
ESPN Radio reporting yanks are close to trading for Zach Grienke for a package of prospects
I fear Duchscherer would be a huge buy-high guy right now. He’s going way over his max innings pitched, and has been really lucky with balls in play (hasn’t struck out that many). His last start (8 er) may be a sign of things to come…
Doris I’m listening to ESPN right now I haven’t heard that.
The following is a list of pitchers that were successful and healthy after Billy Beane dealt them:
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Im sorry, FoxSports radio (via XM satellite radio)
Wait is this Greinke stuff for real??
“The following is a list of pitchers that were successful and healthy after Billy Beane dealt them:”
You forgot Dan Haren.
apparantly the deal on the table is Coke, Melky + a B level prospect of the royals choice
“It is a sad truth but Molina is a better catcher than anyone you could currently trade for.”
If Molina was 20 lbs lighter and had a .20 higher average he would be among the elite lol
also, dodgers are very interested in manny
I would do that probably, but then does Gardner play CF full time?
i doubt they could get grienke, but Im a fan.
“apparantly the deal on the table is Coke, Melky + a B level prospect of the royals choice”
Makes ZERO sense.
BTW, Coke is a B level prospect…..maybe.
haha if that is true cashman is god, my guess is kennedy might be in the mix. (also i get the feeling cashman isnt very high on coke, clearly wants to deal him). This sounds way too good to be true. i would imagine kennedy might be in the mix. still melky/kennedy/coke would be a steal for the yanks in my opinion. I can’t see us getting him. but i hope
Rasner is better than Washburn. We dont need him.
That Post rumor about Washburn for Melancon is an absolute farce.
Why would the Mariners want the Yankees’ “future closer candidate” when they already have closer JJ Putz, Brandon Morrow (who as someone else noted is being slated for starting rotation duty), AND the kid they just drafted in June, closer candidate Josh Fields?
Yeah, maybe JJ is one of the 25 who’s on the block, like Raul Ibanez too. But thanks to the wonky draft philosophy of the recently departed Bill Bavasi, they got a kid who’s nothing BUT a reliever, and has the mindset and tools to be a closer.
Keppinger is a stud Brando. Nice small sample size. The guy is dead weight. Surprised you aren’t clamoring for Hall again. Again. Brando’s hearts in the right place.
The Yanks should have gotten Haren.
Bilbo is your butt sore ?
Cashman robbed the Pirates for Xavier Nady?
You must be kidding! You just have to see the poor guy suddenly forgot how to hit!
bigjf –
There was Teixeira to Boston talk on the radio? I don’t see it happening. They already have YouLickUs at 1B, Mike LowLife at 3B and El Poppy Seed at DH. They’re each pretty good at what they do, especially if you include being a whining pussy on Youk’s job description. Where they gonna put Tex on that team?
Well … I suppose he couldn’t play LF any worse than Manny already does …
Ain’t gonna happen.
I heard Youk ccould move to left field.
I hope Manny leaves.Even though Tex is younger then Manny he can’t replace that bat in that line-up.
Surpised Pete hasn’t gotten the line-ups yet.
youk can play lf
i’d rather face tex than manny anyway
Joba for Martin. >_>
Fair?
Molina has been terrific this year. The team ERA with him catching is something like 3.5. With Moeller and Posada it’s 4.6. That is not a coincidence. If the Yankees were to replace him with a good hit, lousy or even decent pitch-handler, they will be out of the race in 3 weeks. He’s gotten terrific work from Mussina and Chamberlain and Pettite, and even though everyone is complaining how Ponson and Rasner have nothing, they’ve been credible too. The bullpen is better than it has been in years, and while some of that is new arms, a lot is Molina.
As much as I love Jorge, when they get him back next year the team ERA will shoot back up. They’d better get Sabathia if they want to use him behind the plate instead of Molina.
Well the Angels got Tex from the Braves for two prospects.Keith Law reported that.
That is chicken$%^% – I’d like to throw at cabrra’s head
if he didn’t want to pitch to ARod an intentional would have workd —– the butthead had a 5 run lead