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Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 29, 2008 
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The Yankees and Mike Mussina got rocked by the Orioles. Brian Heyman has the story.
As was widely predicted, the trade for Xavier Nady means Jorge Posada will have season-ending shoulder surgery. Meanwhile, Hal Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman contemplate more moves.
Washburn would be nice, but I’m also rooting for Hughes and IPK to do well. And who knows – perhaps Chase Wright can be better…
On the offensive note, do they really go with Betemint and Sexton or find some better options..?
And Melky – man, what a disappointing season. I think given more time, Gardner will do much better. Hopefully, he’ll put together a nice streak with some September play time…
Pete, any update on when Wang will be able to start his throwing program?
I’m more concerned with how many innings Joba is limited to this season.
I am concerned with Moose and this being the beginning of the downturn for Moose. I certainly hope not, but the worry is there.
Captain15 on http://www.madein1903.com/forum
m4rk6
Joba is somewhere in the neighborhood of 140-150 IPs this season.
Jon G
Melky has really disappointed me this season! I was seriously expecting him to be at @ .285/ .330 with 20 HRs.
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Pete -
The trolls last night were insane.
Rich -
Is it REALLY necessary to advertise your forum with every post?
1 game isn’t the end of the world for Moose. Molina commented that Moose said he didn’t feel good. That happens.
Heh. I left the blog early last night, I couldn’t stand all the doom and gloom crowd. They certainly came out like it was Halloween.
I’m glad eveyone lost last night. No change in the standings, today Tampa has Roy and the Sox still have the Halo’s.
“And Melky – man, what a disappointing season. I think given more time, Gardner will do much better. Hopefully, he’ll put together a nice streak with some September play time…”
That Bush….also just needs a little more time. He’ll get the hang of this “president” thing soon.
I don’t mind losing two in a row in between eight-game winning streaks. What I worry about is Cash suddenly not seeing the big picture and doing something really, really dumb in the name of “fixing” the rotation short-term.
I think back to when there was pressure to “fill out” the rotation, and we suddenly wound up with the lovely dual signings of Jaret Wright and Carl Pavano, mistakes we’re still paying for til this day. They were supposed to be our #4 and #5 starters and, gee, what are we still lacking solid options at?
Lots of loyal posters left the blog last night. It became uninhabitable and very inhospitable. The game itself was bad enough, and if the angry posts were simply aimed at the game, it would have been at least understandable. But there were way too many personal attacks here and they crossed a line, I thought, last night into cruelty.
How many more get away games late on Sunday nights to accommodate ESPN are the Yankees going to have to withstand? It was reported that the Yankees got home at 4 a.m. I know last night was a night game, but you know these guys didn’t sleep all day to get ready for the game. I’m wondering how many of the Red Sox so-called hangover games/series are due to the lateness of the last game – either because the game was on ESPN or because it was one of the usual lengthy games between the two teams.
Let’s hope they are rejuvenated for tonight’s game! I always say, if it’s going to be a crash and burn game, it’s good for everyone to crash and burn together and get it out of the way.
**(I understand that if the Yankees no longer have games on Sunday night that accommodate ESPN, it is not a good thing in the overall picture. ESPN doesn’t waste air time on non-contending teams, for the most part.)
I wish we could get in the Tex sweep stakes, I wonder what it would cost.
If we could land him, we could release Big Sexy.
I know pitching is the priority, but were are there any reliable starters.
Last night was not fun. A lot of nasty “I love the Yankees but hate everything they do and everyone on the team” types came up from their parent’s basements.
Mussina was awful, but hopefully that was an aberration. Tonight is a big night for Kennedy, Hughes and Rasner. I’d be very temped to let Seattle have Gardner if that’s what it takes to make the Washburn deal… Melky has had a tough year, but I think he has much more upside than the one-dimensional Gardner.
“I’d be very temped to let Seattle have Gardner if that’s what it takes to make the Washburn deal… Melky has had a tough year, but I think he has much more upside than the one-dimensional Gardner”
Agreed. Gardner is a 4th OF on his best day. I’d have no problem moving the offensively deficient Melky either, but I do believe his defense is needed this year.
Moose is only human. Wasn’t it only a few games ago that he didn’t even get out of the first inning? And didn’t he rebound quite well?
Personally, I’m not sold on the Washburn trade, I just hope Cashman doesn’t panic and give up a good prospect because we lost 2 games in a row.
No blood last night. No change in the standings. The Yankees will come to play tonight and with a sense of urgency. A quality start by Rasner supported by runs and all is well again.
I’m not worried about a panic move by Cashman. I can’t remember the last time the guy let you see him break a sweat!
Timothy,
At least one report has us in on Texeira.
http://trades.mlblogs.com/arch.....vised.html
I agree on the Gardner issue, but it must be something we are not seeing. I believe if that was all it was Cash would have pulled the trigger, unless he decided to wait out the M’s because Wash pitched. Maybe he figured 5 days may bring the price down.
I think it’s pretty interesting that just a couple of weeks ago, when the ‘Stache was still pretty productive, the Tex talk really cooled. Now that Jason’s ‘stache looks to be a little less Sampsonesque, Tex has again become somewhat attractive. And I stress the ‘somewhat.’
Our schedule is gonna get real tough, if Phil and IPK could pitch well now, that would be awesome.
Tex would look real nice at 1st.
Damon
Jeter
Abreu
A-rod
Tex
Cano
X
Melky
Molina
hmmmmm
Andy
Joba
Mike
Phil
IPK
How Rasner’s start goes tonight could determine a Washburn deal. Ponson ‘s audition was done Sunday.
If Cashman pulls the trigger on a Wasburn deal then let Gardner go as part of it. He’s a speedier Bubba Crosby and not much more.
From Masslive.com
Interesting take from Gammons about the Manny situation
“DODGE BALL: Respected ESPN baseball analyst Peter Gammons has weighed in on the Manny Ramirez situation with a previously unexplored take: Ramirez is using whatever excuse necessary to dodge elite, hard-throwing right-handers.
Ramirez has avoided facing Felix Hernandez (Seattle) and Joba Chamberlain (New York) twice each, and Edinson Volquez (Cincinnati) and Justin Verlander (Detroit) once apiece.
Gammons even quoted one unnamed Red Sox player as saying, “Say what you want about Alex Rodriguez, but he plays every day and plays his behind off.”
Hey the Twins are interested in Hawkins, I saw were offer them him, a bag of baseballs.
Andy
Joba
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Phil
IPK
IPK isn’t much of an upgrade IMO. Cashman made it sound like we’re at least a month from seeing Hughes in the bigs.
“Ramirez has avoided facing Felix Hernandez (Seattle) and Joba Chamberlain (New York) twice each, and Edinson Volquez (Cincinnati) and Justin Verlander (Detroit) once apiece.”
Avoided facing Mo once too, if you count the time he went up and refused to swing at three heaters down the middle.
I don’t post too much in here, but jeez… Looking at the gameday thread comments and some of it is just unreal. The Yankees can’t win every ballgame and starters are going to have their bad days, we had an example of that last night. Mussina has a winning record against the O’s, but he really doesn’t have great numbers against them lifetime. He even admitted that a bunch of them gives him problems ::cough Millar cough:: Robertson had control issues last night, he will be fine. I don’t understand how people go from raving about the bullpen, talking about how great they are and the next day, are ready to throw them all out of the window, get real. It was one bad game, we’ll sweep it under the rug and move on. Plus, no damage was done in the standings. Lets just take these next 2 and get back to our winning ways.
i’m not for overpaying for Teixeira if the market for the Braves to sell him isnt there, but if the DBacks are seriously offering Chad Tracy and a non-Scherzer pitching prospect for him, there is no reason Cashman shouldnt be working the phones again.
Cashman isn’t going to give up anything good on a rental player and the Braves are not going to accept seconds. I don’t think Teixeira comes here unless there is some sort of agreement for the future, which is not going to happen. In my humble opinion, of course!
Selective reading is the easiest way to get thru game threads when the Yanks are losing. Read posts from only the people who usually have reasonable responses to things and skip over everyone else because it just detracts from the overall experience.
Matt-LI:
I agree 1 game no big deal, everyone else lost as well.
It is definately apparent we need another SP or 2.
I’m really not worried about Andy, Joba, and Mike.
Ras and Sid..
With Giambi cooling off and more than likely gone by the end of the season, I wouldn’t mind seeing Teixeira brought in now. While it would take a decent amount to land him, this might be a means of trying him out in the Bronx.
Honestly Big Sex looks horrible in every at bat, not sure what it is.
“Selective reading is the easiest way to get thru game threads when the Yanks are losing. Read posts from only the people who usually have reasonable responses to things and skip over everyone else because it just detracts from the overall experience.”
^^^^ QFT.
i’ve got my regulars i read along with, and skim thru everyone else.
The Braves were asking for Conor Jackson. He’s considered as one of Arizona’s best prospects.
I guess the Braves will ask the Yankees for our best prospect as well, no? Are the Yankees prepared to give that up for a rental?
fuhgoobagaz:
It would be nice, but like everyone said the price would have to right. If Cash did do it, I know there would be a long term guarantee with it. That’s how Cash does business.
“I’m really not worried about Andy, Joba, and Mike.”
Have to worry about Mussina, at least a little bit. His 2nd halves the past 4-5 seasons have been significantly worse than his 1st halves. Doesn’t mean it will work out that way this season, but the track record for it is there.
“While it would take a decent amount to land him, this might be a means of trying him out in the Bronx.”
agreed. throw him in the AL East pennant race, and see what he’s got… use that time to evaluate what he can offer the pinstripes for the future. he fails, you let him go and pick up the draft picks.
the more and more you watch the Brewers abuse Sabathia’s pitch and inning counts, the more you just have to think Cashman and co. are cringing at the thought of a 6 or 7 year deal for him.
Fredo Corleone:
I agree with that, that was why I said 2 SP, going with 6 days rest.
Teixeira may not accept any kind of extention, but giving up a few players for giving him a tryout might make some sense. Sexson isn’t hitting either righties or lefties (even though we kept hearing how he crushes lefties).
Giving up a few players and seeing if he is a good fit may be worth it to the Yankees rather than bidding high and getting someone who won’t work out.
I think the Yankees are looking at things from two different ways. Getting younger but also trying to make this a year to contend. All the teams have some problems, the Yankees might be close to being able to push over the top with the right move. With George not being in the best of health they might just pull the trigger to make another move like getting Teixeira.
Besides, MARK TESH ERA is made for the roll call.
Yeah, but Moose has pretty much rewritten everything he’s ever done before.
Pete i just want to say there were some people being extremely cruel who posted here last night. I generally just check in to see some of the interesting comments people on this site have and dont generally add – but last night was pretty disgusting.
Hopefully you can do something about it by blocking the fools, trolls are one thing but this was out of the ordinary.
TurnTwo
I was thinking about that also. Brewers have nothing to lose with throwing CC out there for 120 pitches a game. They know they can’t sign him anyway. Just trying to get everything they can outta him while they have him. I guess you can’t blame them, but I wouldn’t be surprised if his agent steps up sometime this season and has something to say about it.
One starter that has been out there who is not having a typical year and just coming off of DL but has said that he would waive his no trade clause to go to a contending team is Roy Oswalt. This guy has been a legitimate CY canidate several times. He’s signed through 2011.
I have wished all along that we would end up with Tex. You have 28-year old who is a 2-time gold golve winner and a lethal switch-hitter.
I think Mike will be OK with 6 days rest.
Also remember that A-Rod crap last year thanks to Boras. A-Rod could influence Teixeira to make a signing with the Yankees if he works out.
“but if the DBacks are seriously offering Chad Tracy and a non-Scherzer pitching prospect for him”
Turn Two:
Tell me this. Who is the Chad Tracy-type the Yankees would have to offer??? Who is the 28 year old, .290, .350 OBP with 20 homer pop guy the Yanks could offer????
Tracy is no superstar, but the closest comparable player the Yankees have to him is Nady. And Nady probably isn’t as good and he’s 1.5 years older.
I know Tex would really solve alot of offense issue’s and get rid of some dead weight (Sex & G-man).
“Yeah, but Moose has pretty much rewritten everything he’s ever done before.”
Really?? How??? To this point, he’s having exactly the same season he had in 2006.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Teixeira go to the Angels then see the Angels spin off Casey Kotchman in a deal to the Yankees.
Kotchman is a solid good glove and a contact hitter with Yankee Stadium power.
Pat and Turn Two -
Usually, that’s what I do – scroll past the annoying posts and look for the good ones. But last night, it was so bad that most of the reasonable folks here checked out early. Trying to find any kind of civil discussion was close to trying to find a needle in a haystack.
“I think Mike will be OK with 6 days rest.”
How do you get him 6 days rest without screwing up the rest of the rotation? Further, Mussina, more than anyone else on that staff, is a creature of habit. He’d despise not going every 5th day.
I read something about Halo’s not interested in Tex.
“Tell me this. Who is the Chad Tracy-type the Yankees would have to offer??? Who is the 28 year old, .290, .350 OBP with 20 homer pop guy the Yanks could offer????
Tracy is no superstar, but the closest comparable player the Yankees have to him is Nady. And Nady probably isn’t as good and he’s 1.5 years older.”
i’m not going to sit and speculate about players who organizations value. ive now given up on that when i saw what the pirates took for Marte and Nady.
i just know that the yankees can put together a package thats better than that if they lean on the pitching prospects, which Cashman has to deal and the Braves need.
tell you the truth, id even kick the tires on Kotsay to upgrade CF, too.
Fredo Corleone:
I understand, but Mike will tire on 5 days rest. I don’t have the answer just a thought.
“I read something about Halo’s not interested in Tex.”
They tend to hold on tightly to their prospects. Think the Braves were looking for Kotchman and Adenhart. Halos weren’t going to do that.
the Angels have the pieces, but they always have the pieces to make a trade and never do. very conservatively run organization, and i dont expect that to change now.
to tell you the truth, idk if trading Kotchman for Teixeira makes much sense for them anyway. take into consideration salary, expected production, and years under organizational control, and idk if Tex makes a real big difference this year or for the near future for the Angels.
New York Times Posted on July 29, 2008 —-
“WANG’S CAST COMING OFF Chien-Ming Wang said he expected to have the cast removed from his right foot on Tuesday, the first significant step in a monotonous recovery from the injury he sustained June 15. Wang will be on crutches for another week as he starts to walk again, and he may begin throwing while seated in a chair.
Asked if he thought he had enough time to return to the Yankees this season, Wang said, “I’ll try to do it.â€
Wang said he spent most of his time watching television and playing basketball on PlayStation. He summed up his rehab in one word: “Boring.†”
NY Daily News posted on Monday, July 28th 2008, 11:29 PM
“Chien-Ming Wang (right foot) will visit a specialist and have the cast removed from his foot today to have a new MRI taken to determine how far his injury has progressed. Wang hopes to begin a rehab program within a week and return by Sept. 1.”
Pete, please let us know how is the MRI taken for Chien-Ming today?? Thanks much!!
Matt-LI ,i agree everything wen’t from look out no stopping the yankees now to they are falling apart.i was listening to wfan a few months ago and russo and carton were saying it is all over the yankees are done but one thing i remember was boomer kept saying and still does that one hot streak puts them back in it and that it is way to early.take it easy.ras and ponson need to be replaced.the game ponson pitched was over on the first pitch.they say it takes 4-6 weeks to come back once you’re pitching in real games so hughes is at least a month off barring any problems.hopefully wang,pavano,hughes,kennedy will help.wang is the killer injury.kennedy should be given a shot.i hear he had a mechanical flaw fixed.if he stinks again send him down for the rest of the year.
Even in 2006 I recall Moose living on the outside. He doesn’t do that anymore.
His stats don’t show that he’s showing more control and not trying to throw it past everyone.
I think Cashman has to move some of his arms this year or risk losing them for nothing, as TurnTwo aluded to. The Braves are looking for starting pitching.
I wonder if Gardner would be a player they would have interest in for his speed. As an NL team, he might be a good fit.
“i just know that the yankees can put together a package thats better than that if they lean on the pitching prospects, which Cashman has to deal and the Braves need.”
Braves actually aren’t too bad off on pitching prospects. Further, in all their conversations they’ve sought a 1B back (Youkilis from Boston, Kotchman from LAA, Loney from LAD, and Jackson/Tracy from Ariz, etc).
Fredo Corleone:
Ok they can have G-man.
I doubt very much you will see Wang again this year.
Maybe they would go for Sexson!
Anybody think Cashman was waiting to see Hughes and Pavano pitch before he made a deal for a starting pitcher?
Brilliant! Richie Sexson for Jarrod Washburn.
“Russell NY
July 29th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Brilliant! Richie Sexson for Jarrod Washburn”
Some moves just make a lot of sense.
“Braves actually aren’t too bad off on pitching prospects. Further, in all their conversations they’ve sought a 1B back (Youkilis from Boston, Kotchman from LAA, Loney from LAD, and Jackson/Tracy from Ariz, etc).”
the Braves are in need of MLB pitching. they’ll lose Smoltz and Glavine from the rotation, along with Mike Hampton off the payroll. who knows what they’ll get from Tim Hudson moving forward if this elbow injury is serious. they basically have Jurrjens and Jo-Jo Reyes in their rotation next season. thats disgusting.
that doesnt mean they NEED a 1B in a Teixeira trade, however.
what they need to do is assure themselves they get back more in the trade of Teixera than talent they’d get if they just simply got the two draft picks.
if they have some decent pitching prospects, they can use more. all i know is that 3 or 4 of the top 5 prospects they have are positional prospects… kind of the opposite of our system.
How about Big Sexy, G-man, and Betemit for Tex throw in some prospects.
I think we have assume Wangs not coming back.
“if they have some decent pitching prospects, they can use more. all i know is that 3 or 4 of the top 5 prospects they have are positional prospects… kind of the opposite of our system.”
I suppose. Flaw in your logic is that the Yankees starting pitching in AA/AAA is a lot more quantity than quality. With the possible exception of IPK, none of them have a lot of value on the market. It’s all taxi squad guys who can fill in adequately for short periods. A good thing to have, but not terribly valuable on the trade market.
I stand corrected:
Angels have sights on Mark Teixeira
Sorry this link is in One Stop Baseball.
Angels always have their eye on a big bat. They just don’t know how to pull the trigger on anything because they are so reluctant to give up young players.
“With the possible exception of IPK, none of them have a lot of value on the market. It’s all taxi squad guys who can fill in adequately for short periods. A good thing to have, but not terribly valuable on the trade market.”
and did we really think Jeff Karstens or Dan McCutcheon had much value either? i sure didnt, but apparently the Pirates thought they were valuable.
“I think we have assume Wangs not coming back.”
Of course you have to go under that assumption for now. But if the Yankees are playoff bound come September I wouldn’t be surprised to see him come back for some early October baseball.
Russell NY:
Yeah but how effective would he really be..
“Russell NY:
Yeah but how effective would he really be..”
To be honest, I don’t worry about that. He could be 100% effective, he could 100% bomb. You would like to think some rehab starts in late August-September (which is the time frame they were suggesting when he got he injury) could get him major league ready but you really don’t know. All you have is optimism. Of course, this could all be moot if the Yankees don’t stick in the race, at which point there would be no reason to rush back Wang.
I hate to say but I think our hopes for this year, rest with Phil and IPK.
“and did we really think Jeff Karstens or Dan McCutcheon had much value either? i sure didnt, but apparently the Pirates thought they were valuable.”
As noted in Cashman’s explanation of the deal, McCutchen and Kartstens were pieces #3 and #4 of the deal. Who’s your centerpiece for a Teixiera deal that you can then supplement with pieces like Aceves, Horne, etc????
“Who’s your centerpiece for a Teixiera deal that you can then supplement with pieces like Aceves, Horne, etc????”
IPK.
“Who’s your centerpiece for a Teixiera deal that you can then supplement with pieces like Aceves, Horne, etc????â€
IPK.”
That dial tone you hear is the Braves hanging up.
Tonight my attention is on Pavano and Hughes.
There is a lot of interest in IPK. Going to the NL could be a very good move for him as well. The Braves are in need of starters. Despite all the talk, IPK pitched well last year. He isn’t a barn burner, but you don’t discount results because of struggles on a rookie.
“That dial tone you hear is the Braves hanging up.”
then so be it. but did you really ever think Ohlendorf or selling low on Tabata would have been a centerpiece to a deal? again, i didnt. i would say most here thought Tabata’s value was about as low as it could get, and noone would imagine youd get back two MLB’ers for those two, plus.
i said i wouldnt overpay for Teixeira, but if you can give them more value than two draft picks, you at least get your foot in the door, and if they value your prospects better than another team’s it puts you in the running.
The Yankees are NOT getting Teixeira. The Braves would want something like Hughes or Austin Jackson + Kennedy, along with a few other throw-ins. Cashman even said he would not have pulled the trigger on the Pirates trade if he didn’t have control over both players for next year. That was a good trade because the Yankees only traded one good prospect for two good players, and improved their team for this year and next year. Trading two legit prospects for two months of Teixeira would be a terrible move, but thankfully Cashman will not do that.
“Despite all the talk, IPK pitched well last year. He isn’t a barn burner, but you don’t discount results because of struggles on a rookie.”
Not saying he isn’t an MLB pitcher. I believe he is. Don’t see him any better than a #4 though. Maybe a #3 on a bad team. Don’t think that gets you Mark Teixiera though.
Last night’s game thread was a case study in craziness. Hopefully tonight will not be a repeat and the person(s) causing all the problem will find something else to occupy their time with.
Good luck to Hughes tonight! Heck..good luck to whatshisname too.
I was at the game last night, and had a chance to speak with John Flaherty for a few minutes before the game. What a nice guy.
I think Mickey Rivers was also there, but I’m not sure.
“The Braves would want something like Hughes or Austin Jackson + Kennedy, along with a few other throw-ins”
Braves have been pretty clear they are looking for a 1B, a close to MLB ready pitcher and an OF with some pop. Position players are key to what they are looking for. Doesn’t mean they’ll get it, but the reason you aren’t hearing the Yankees named among the most likely landing spot is the dearth of available position players/prospects.
I don’t think we will go after Tex for the same reason we didn’t go after Johan – you don’t want to have to pay for him twice.
I contract is going to be huge – why give a team upper level talent to boot. The draft picks you receive if he walks will more than likely not be as close to being ready for the big leagues as what you gave up.
“Good luck to Hughes tonight! Heck..good luck to whatshisname too.
”
You mean Carl “They call me Mr. Glass” Pavano?
Bleh, now I’m suddenly feeling fragile.
the only reason i would see the Yanks in the Teixeira stakes is because the other packages that have been mentioned or reported on are fairly uninspiring.
i dont expect Cashman to overpay, but if the deal is reasonable, i could see him pulling the trigger. thats all.
If you have the time – reading Geoff Baker’s blog in the Seattle Times about the Washburn trade is pretty amusing. The Marinars front office is puffing up their chests and want to ‘stick it to the Yankees’
Good luck with that losers!
Keep your Kieffer Sutherland look-alike!
“the more and more you watch the Brewers abuse Sabathia’s pitch and inning counts, the more you just have to think Cashman and co. are cringing at the thought of a 6 or 7 year deal for him.”
I’m just curious, how are they abusing him. I see he’s throwing complete games, but what is his pitch count like?
“I’m just curious, how are they abusing him. I see he’s throwing complete games, but what is his pitch count like?”
Around a buck thirty last night.
I kno Sexson isn’t really costing anything on the payroll, but everytime he is in the lineup it is just god awful…you might as well give the other pitcher a K in his stats.. can we just drop him please!
124 pitches last night raymag -
CC’s agent better be on the phone with the BrewCrew’s GM – Don’t they know they are damaging Yankee property?
TurnTwo:
I agree, unless that last report is true about the Halo’s giving up Kochman…Other than that we can offer equal value for Tex.
I know this will bring some fire but here goes:
I would trade Jackson, IPK, and a lower level prospect for Tex..
I don’t think the Brewers are abusing him. Here are the pitchcounts for his five starts: 97, 122, 110, 106, 124
Thats really not that bad.
Say Gardner, I bet the Braves would do it..
“but the reason you aren’t hearing the Yankees named among the most likely landing spot is the dearth of available position players/prospects.”
Why weren’t we hearing about the Red Sox with Nady and Marte when their bullpen + Ellsbury sucks?
“I know this will bring some fire but here goes:
I would trade Jackson, IPK, and a lower level prospect for Tex..”
You are out of your mind for a 2-month rental of a .280-.290 hitter you are willing to give up our future CF, a kid with a lot of upside, and some other prospects for him? If someone deals the prospects for Tex, good. The Yankees don’t need to pay that price to win.
I think having Tex would be a great move…
Russell NY:
By the time Jackson is ready, you will need a SS, RF, C..
Just MO…
“I would trade Jackson, IPK, and a lower level prospect for Tex..”
Cashman hangs up the phone on that one.
“Melky has had a tough year, but I think he has much more upside than the one-dimensional Gardner.”
are you kidding, Melky is the poster child for one dimensional.
Gardner needs to get a fair amount of playing time to see what he can do. Right now he looks very first year Joey Gathright like. Melky is not a rookie anymore his growing pains need to end or he needs to be traded.
Russell, that trade proposal is coming from a guy who’d rather have Soriano over A-rod. Take everything he says with a grain of salt.
He would not be a rental, Cash always has the long term stuff covered, and only if that arrangement could be made for the long term.
Brett Gardner, last night, continued where he left off: 0 for 5, 3 K
FYI on Sabathia. He does indeed lead MLB in pitches thrown at 2492 on the year. Burnett is 2nd at 2427. Nobody else is within 100 pitches.
“Russell, that trade proposal is coming from a guy who’d rather have Soriano over A-rod. Take everything he says with a grain of salt.”
Lol, oh I know. I’m still not convinced that Timothy isn’t a Red Sox fan.
Patrick:
You guys act like Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, and Joe D are in the farm waiting for a call up..
“I would trade Jackson, IPK, and a lower level prospect for Tex..”
Thank God you’re not the GM. All that for a rental? What would you give up for someone you can control?
Tex is a proven star….
Nice try but not a Sock fan…
Not exactly Timmy. Jackson is projected to be something like Torii Hunter – good fielder, decent average with 20-25 HR power. I’d rather have Jackson under control for ~5 years than Texeira for 2 months.
“He would not be a rental, Cash always has the long term stuff covered, and only if that arrangement could be made for the long term.”
but then you arent taking into consideration if the Yankees want to go long term with Teixeira. maybe Cashman doesnt want to allocate the funds for a long term deal with him to begin with.
“I don’t think the Brewers are abusing him. Here are the pitchcounts for his five starts: 97, 122, 110, 106, 124
Thats really not that bad.”
I agree. That’s not that bad at all.
If he’s throwing 120 every time maybe I’m a little worried. Then again CC is a very big dude. Maybe his arm can handle it.
“He would not be a rental”
But he is. His services will be in high demand in the off season and he would be crazy to do anything that would make him more than a rental.
m4rk6:
Not for a rental, read the post…the long term stuff would have to be worked out.
I’m not even going to dignify the Teixeira BS people are starting to believe. Any news on Washburn or any other catcher news ?
You have to consider that Boras is his agent. Boras will want to test the free agency market to maximize his profit, er investment.
“Melky is not a rookie anymore his growing pains need to end or he needs to be traded.”
He’s still YOUNGER than Gardner.
You have to be a Red Sox fan Timothy because not one thing you said has been positive. So far you have said: Soriano is more valuable than A-Rod, you would trade our future CF for a 2-month rental of a .280 hitter, you are mocking our farm system. You are, by definition, a Red Sox fan.
The Marlins are the most aggressive suitor for Gerald Laird. The Brewers, Reds, and Yankees are also in on the Rangers’ catcher. Rosenthal points out a Doug Melvin connection – Melvin acquired Laird as the Rangers’ GM back in ’02. The Rangers continue to target young starting pitching in return.
My god go after Salty not Laird
Brandon:
Either way the Braves have to move Tex…
“Not for a rental, read the post…the long term stuff would have to be worked out.”
Yeah, that’s a whole lot of assumptions.
I think I’m done discussing the Teixeira trade.
The Mariners are playing chicken with the Yankees. We’ll see who blinks first. They need to offload his salary more than the Yankees need Washburn.
Please please win tonight Ras!
When was the last time a big trade went down player involved signed a long term extension midseason? I have no idea but my point is it rarely happens. If you trade for Tex, its a rental and nothing beyond this year will be guaranteed. Plus, if you really want the guy, go out and sign him in the offseason where all you lose is money and a draft pick. Austin Jackson is an untouchable right now, especially with Tabata gone.
““Melky is not a rookie anymore his growing pains need to end or he needs to be traded.â€
He’s still YOUNGER than Gardner.”
I think he means rookie in terms of major league experience, not age. Melky has been in the majors long enough not to be considered a rookie.
What have I said negative..I thought a trade for A-rod, wasn’t as good as getting a SP…that’s not negative, pitching is better IMO.
Oops my first sentence should read “When was the last time a big trade went down and the player involved signed a long term extension midseason?”
Cashman that better be you.
If I’m correct the last time we won the WS, it was because of our rotation………an pen…….
J. Skeet, just how many times has Sexson actually batted in the two weeks he’s been with the Yankees? It’s pretty difficult to get much going with 13 at bats in 10 games after being a full time player for an entire career. Through all that, he’s still added 3 walks and just the three strikeouts. Sexson is hardly an issue to these two losses, and his defense is far and above what Giambi offers.
and the most important thing hitting w/ RISP vs good pitching
To be honest, I believe I’m the real Yankee fan here, this is my real name not some made up crap…
you are mixing your words, like a Red Sox fan
So sexson sucks and should get the boot…TODAY!
why does anyone really care if the dude is a Red Sox fan or not? if he bothers you, ignore him. if he sparks discussion, respond.
“A source tells the New York Post that a deal that would send Jarrod Washburn to the Yankees is “dead.”
The Mariners want a prospect in addition to the Yankees taking on Washburn’s salary, which New York won’t do. Of course, this could all change as the deadline approaches, and that Washburn is owed $13.6 million through next season makes him a candidate to be traded after the non-waiver deadline.”
Hope the Mariners enjoy continuing to lose.
Timmy you said,
“I know I will get heat for this but:
I would rather have Sorianno than A-rod…If we could turn the clock back..”
What does that have anything to do with pitching? Clearly you realized how stupid it was to say that you’d rather have Soriano so you are twisting your words to make yourself look less idiotic.
Salty isn’t on the market Brandon.
Can’t go for a guy who isn’t on the market. The Rangers have told teams they aren’t interested in trading Salty.
There is no long term deal to be worked out with Tex. Boras is going to put him on the open market. There is ZERO chance he agrees to a deal prior to hitting the market.
The Yankees aren’t going to trade prospects for a rental. With Posada’s future as catcher up in the air, it makes no sense to trade quality propsects for a guy who is going to be a free agent in a few months.
If they make any deal at all, it will be to upgrade the rotation.
Unlike some fans, teams don’t make decisions on their ballclub after a bad night.
Cashman isn’t going to change what has taken 3 years to take shape (a balance between re-building the farm system and keeping the big league team afloat) because they got blown out last night.
“why does anyone really care if the dude is a Red Sox fan or not? if he bothers you, ignore him. if he sparks discussion, respond.”
Thanks, I was always wondering how I should think, feel, and act.
I not mixing anything we just don’t agree on something.
So I’m a Sox fan???????
I think pitching is important……kinda like the situation we are in now.
Don’t get me wrong I like A-rod, but the money spent on him, you could have 2 great SP.
glad i could help.
Im not saying he’s an issue to these two losses..but he certainly wasnt an issue for the 8 straight! If you can honestly tell me as a yankee fan that it doesnt bother you when he gets up to the plate (taking away AB’s from the G-Man) then theres something wrong with you. His time has come and now its time to go
Teixeira first and foremost is a Scott Boras client and the agent may still have an axe to grind after being dissed by A-Rod and his contract.
Boras will not be offering the Yankees a discount for the services of Teixeira.
With the numbers that Teixeira has put up since leaving Texas, Boras will be hard pressed to get his client a 4-5 year deal for $60-75M.
Thanks, but no thanks.
“Don’t get me wrong I like A-rod, but the money spent on him, you could have 2 great SP.”
Who was the last “great SP” that was available for money alone?
Also no matter what you think, A-rod is more valuable than any single SP in the league.
What good is Saltalamacchia going to do the Yanks over this year and next if he can’t hit or play defense, during that time? If there is determined to be a need for a catcher, he’s not the answer. At least go after one that helps the team and not a future project. In the time for him to be even borderline acceptable, NYY will have younger catchers that have every sign of being as good or bettter, ready to help the big club.
Why don’t we move DJ to second base and try to trade Cano for Hanley Ramirez.
talking of Tex, takes up valuable bandwith.
whatever makes you happy, tho.
“taking away AB’s from the G-Man”
Choosing between Giambi or Sexson …
Ugh. Seen their stats lately?
Patrick:
Well patrick we already have A-rod, the Soriano thing was looking back. So we have A-rod and we protecting him with garbage. If you won’t some better production from the offense we need to protect him.
“Why don’t we move DJ to second base and try to trade Cano for Hanley Ramirez.”
You volunteering to hold the gun to the head of the Florida GM????
Boras is also representing Gerrit Cole, the Yankees first round pick this year.
Do you know what his original asking price was for Cole? ( million.
Do you think the Yankees want to put themselves in a situation (by trading for Tex) in which they not only have to give up significant prospects, but also give leverage to Scott Boras?
Not going to happen.
Think small (Washburn, Paul Byrd, Brian Bannister) instead of big at the deadline. Very, very doubtful something big involving the Yankees happens between now and Thursday.
“Cashman isn’t going to change what has taken 3 years to take shape (a balance between re-building the farm system and keeping the big league team afloat) because they got blown out last night.”
i would argue that it would almost be buying low on Teixeira. the market hasnt evolved for his bat, and the reason id check in with him now is not because the yankees got blown out last night, but have been inconsistent offensively the entire year.
if you can slide in last minute and get him below perceived market value, but still get him on a fair deal, then why not do it? that decision is not based on two bad nights.
“Why don’t we move DJ to second base and try to trade Cano for Hanley Ramirez.’
Who’s got the zing to move DJ from SS?
Meant to write 9 Million for the opening asking price for Cole.
Patrick â„¢:
Then patrick you last staement to me is back at you, you are an idiot.
Fredo – aren’t there Red Sox chat rooms or somethin? Or do you legitimately care about what happens with the Yankees?
“Meant to write 9 Million for the opening asking price for Cole.”
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT. Denied.
“Why don’t we move DJ to second base and try to trade Cano for Hanley Ramirez.”
No offense intended but I hope you’re joking. First of all, Jeter is a better fielder than Hanley. Secondly, the Marlins are contenders and they aren’t going to trade their franchise SS. Third it would cost A LOT more than Cano to get Hanely. I’m thinking the Marlins would demand Cano, Hughes, Jackson and probably even more.
Paul Byrd?? no way do you want him in pinstripes
“Then patrick you last staement to me is back at you, you are an idiot.”
What
You just said Hanley is a poor defender and will command a 2nd baseman, ace pitching prospect, CF projected to be Hunter, plus more. I hope you are joking.
“Then patrick you last staement to me is back at you, you are an idiot.”
Red Sox fan lol
Chad Tracy is not “below market value”.
The Yankees would have to offer someone like Austin Jackson to balance out that deal.
They wouldn’t be getting Tex for below market value. They would have to overpay (in terms of the prospects given up) to get him.
They also don’t have somebody major league ready for the Braves to plug into their lineup. Tracy, if the deal goes down that way, becomes the Braves everyday first baseman for the next 2-3 years.
In order for the Yankees to balance out the deal, they would have to give up some of their better prospects.
They aren’t going to do that for a rental player.
The offense has been inconsistent all year. However, you don’t solve that problem by overpaying for a guy who has been inconsistent all year himself. He’s not had a good year. Plus, he’s a rental player.
If Arod, Jeter, Cano, Damon, Giambi, Nady, etc aren’t enough offense to get to the playoffs, that’s the way it goes. Giving up solid assets for a rental player isn’t going to make them any better and will hurt their future. They won’t do it, regardless of who is on the market.
I’m not so sure I agree with the people here who think we should trade now for Teixeira and see what he’s got down the stretch to determine if we even want him anyway.
I think this is exactly the wrong way to get this done. First off, we would have to trade some very good talent for the Braves to even consider trading him. Why would we give up great talent for a 2 month rental? No way Cashman would do this in the first place.
Secondly, why would we put that kind of pressure on a player to perform in the AL East for 2 months to determine whether or not he is worthy enough? We all can look at his numbers and see what he is made of. We know he would be a great fit for us hands down. Putting the added pressure on a player would not be fair to Tex or the Yankees.
Finally, some of the teams that are interested in trading for him don’t even expect to sign an extension with him anyway, they just want him for their play-off runs. Therefore, he will be a FA anyway which will end up only costing us money in the offseason.
Best solution, wait for the offseason and go after Teixeira using the Giambi money coming off the books. And there is plenty of more money to still make a reasonable offer to Sabathia and an OFer.
What would the Marlins do with Cano when they have Uggla?
is anyone else in here at work right now with nothing else to do or am i the only one?
“You just said Hanley is a poor defender and will command a 2nd baseman, ace pitching prospect, CF projected to be Hunter, plus more. I hope you are joking.”
Ramirez is the best offensive SS in either league. That is somewhat valuable in my opinion.
Yeah I’m kind of sick of hearing about Saltalamacchia. Regardless of Teagarden and Ramirez, I don’t think they are moving Salty right now–he seems like the kind of guy that gets traded in the offseason or not at all. Wouldn’t Texas want to hold on to him as a cheap 2009 1B/DH option (forget Blalock, Bradley will be gone)?
lot of rocket scientists, on the board today.
What at bats has Sexson taken away from Giambi, anyway? 13 Giambi’s hitting about .189 in July in 69 at bats. somebody could put a few of those at bats to better use.
Actually my earlier numbers were wrong…he’s 2-0 with 3 walks and 2 RBIs.
The trade dealine brings out the crazy’s just like the game threads do when the Yankees are losing.
Hanley Ramirez? Do some of you even watch baseball? Why would the Marlins trade him? They just signed him to a long term extension and have no intentions of trading him.
In case you haven’t noticed, they are a game out of first place. They aren’t trading Hanley Ramirez.
Some of you have to realize, teams aren’t going to trade their best players to the Yankees just because you want them to.
Its what degenerates the conversations around here. Folks bring up ridiculous trade proposals, then ridicule Cashman for not acting on them.
You will save yourselves a lot of time by realizing that the Yankees aren’t going to remake their entire team in the next 3 days. Nor are teams going to trade their best players to the Yankees because you want them to.
Nobody in baseball is hurting financically. If teams decide to make deals, it will be to improve their own clubs or clear salary to improve them next season. They won’t be dumping their all star players to the Yankees for cash. They don’t need to.
Enjoying your little debate here.
One thing, though. A-rod doesn’t need “protection”. Teams are not giving him the intentional pass or pitching around him.
They’re going right at him because it’s working. Getting ahead of him and letting A-rod take care of the rest.
Don’t see him getting the Barry treatment because there’s still some offense behind him.
“The offense has been inconsistent all year. However, you don’t solve that problem by overpaying for a guy who has been inconsistent all year himself. He’s not had a good year. Plus, he’s a rental player.”
this is exactly my point!!
i only ever said, look, when you see whats being offered for Teixeira right now, its not really that much. one good mlb player and some prospects.
i said if that were the case, id hope Cashman made a phone call to check back in, and if the deal was reasonable, it makes the team better.
youve made the move for Marte and Nady, so it shows you’re in it for the race now. if you could pull off a deal that doesnt include AJAckson or Hughes, and is reasonable, then why hold back now?
***Sexson is 2-9.***
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=113
“Fredo – aren’t there Red Sox chat rooms or somethin? Or do you legitimately care about what happens with the Yankees?”
Sure I do, but I’m not nutty enough to believe the Marlins would trade Hanley Ramirez for Cano.
Have to look at how it helps the Marlins, who at last look have an all-star (even if in name only) at 2nd base. I know Cano is better than Uggla, but Uggla is servicable and Cano is definitely not as good as Ramirez. Doesn’t work for the Marlins is all I’m sayin’.
That’s my point. You can’t make a deal for Tex that doesn’t include Jackson, Hughes or Melancon because they don’t have a guy like Chad Tracy that can fill a need for the Braves.
Plus, they have no interest in giving Boras any additional leverage.
Its just not a fit given everything that would go into making the deal.
Cashman has checked in, as he always does, got the price, and checked out. Nothing else he can do in that case.
ok 2-9 for sexson…granted a hit is a hit but that little bloop he pulled out against the Sox was pretty lucky.. ill give him the credit he deserves for his first hit in his first at bat getting an RBI..thats all great. But it simply comes down to this.. Who would you rather see up at bat for the yanks Giambi or Sexson? I know any pitcher would wanna see sexson because his chances of the strikeout are very high.. Giambi still can scare a some pitchers with his presence alone
No point in trading for Tex, no way Boras doesn’t have him hit the open market. And it’s not like the Yankees are one first baseman away from winning the championship.
Now if Tex could pitch like Joba every 5 days, then we should offer up our AAA team and the next born Steinbrenner.
If you are looking for a catcher, what has Salty done to make you think he is better than Laird?
You know SJ44, I enjoy reading what you have to say but when you go on your rants about how people degenerate conversations and don’t know what they are talking about really isn’t necessary.
We don’t need you to police the blog and certainly don’t need to read your threats toward “punk a** kids” who are just displaying their displeasure with your arguments.
If people in here “know what they are talking about” then they would read the blog comments selectively and continue conversation about whatever the hell they want. They don’t need whiny people screaming in their ear that they can’t talk about certain things.
To suggest in an open forum that people should AT ALL TIMES speak of fair and reasonable trades/acquisitions is as ludacris as some of the trades proposed.
“Cashman has checked in, as he always does, got the price, and checked out. Nothing else he can do in that case.”
thats all i was saying.
but the braves dont have a need for pitching? couldve fooled me.
Fredo – I’m not arguing your point, I’m asking you what ambitions do you have to come into a chat to talk about a team that you don’t even root for?
Russell-
Aren’t you now policing the blog like you are accusing SJ of?
Russell,
If you don’t like the posts, don’t read them.
We have enough jerks that come in here on a daily basis posting nonsense.
That’s not what this blog is about. Pete has said so himself.
If you don’t like the fact that folks are going to call people when they post nonsense, take it up with Pete.
This is not a stream of consciousness blog. If you post something, expect to be able to back it up.
If you can’t, or you get called on the idiocy of the post, that’s too bad.
The goal of this blog is to have fun and logical baseball debates. Not to deal with the usual idiot nonsense you find in other blogs.
That’s why the blog is so popular.
As I said, if you have a problem with it, take it up with Pete.
There is no way to get a extension and deal for Teixiera done in two days, which makes acquiring him for a rental (giving up four quality players) insane. Nobody gets a deal with Boras done in two days.
“Aren’t you now policing the blog like you are accusing SJ of?”
How so?
At work too….bored.
I realize that Tex probably won’t happen but:
I would stand by my trade offer, I can live with Melky in CF age 23, $461,200.00 salary, if Tex was at 1st age 28, (12,500,000 salary) A-rod is 33.
By telling Fredo he isn’t welcome b/c he isn’t a Yankee fan. If he were picking fights like NYPD, I could see where you are coming from.
I agree with SJ44, some of you guys really have no idea how baseball teams run.
There is ZERO chance the Yankees will trade for Tiexiera. Zero. If they do, they need to have their heads examined.
I also firmly believe they will not pursue him as a FA (at least not seriously, maybe to drive the pirce up for someone else).
I have said this time and time again…. just because the Yankees have some payroll figures coming off the books this fall doesn’t mean they need to sign a bunch of guys to bloated long-term contracts. That was part of the problem the last 6-7 years. You don’t need an all-star at every position. You certainly don’t need Texiera clogging up the 1st base spot for 7 years.
Terrible, terrible idea.
If the Yankees want to throw some huge money at someone, it better be CC Sabathia.
If we have a rotation of CC, Joba, Wang, maybe Pettitte, maybe Mussina, Hughes, Kennedy, etc. for 2009 then it really doesn’t matter who plays 1st base.
Stick Miranda in there against righties. Use Jorge there occasionally. Sign a league average 1st baseman.
Again, deals like one Tiexiera will demand are the reason this team has such an inflexible roster.
For those who say “They have the money, they may as well spend it” you aren’t seeing the whole picture . Every dollar they go over the luxury tax, they put money into other team’s pockets. Add that to revenue sharing, and that’s why the Twins could afford to sign Nathan and Morneau and Mauer. Its how KC got Meche. Cleveland couldn’t have signed Sizemore to that long term deal without revenue sharing. The list goes on and on.
So think about this. For every dollar the Yankees spent, they put money in other team’s pockets. I’m not so keen on that idea. Neither should any of you.
mel (47-1:
Your right, it would just be nice to have someone right behind him. Not named G-man or Big Sexy.
“By telling Fredo he isn’t welcome b/c he isn’t a Yankee fan. If he were picking fights like NYPD, I could see where you are coming from.”
Please copy and paste anything where I said that. I asked him for his ambitions for coming in here because I am curious. That is quite different from telling someone they aren’t welcome like SJ is doing by saying people who make, in his opinion, “ridiculous trade proposals” aren’t welcome.
And SJ44 – I have no problems with what other people post here, only problems with your policing and proposing certain people don’t belong in here.
miggs:
Never say never, but this is just a blog………no real decisions happen here, just thoughts and wishes.
“Timothy Clougher July 29th, 2008 at 11:08 am
mel (47-1:
Your right, it would just be nice to have someone right behind him. Not named G-man or Big Sexy.”
Did you even understand what mel posted? *boggle*
miggs:
Ok I agree some what, but then 28Mill a year is a huge hand-cuff.
“And SJ44 – I have no problems with what other people post here, only problems with your policing and proposing certain people don’t belong in here.”
Do you not see the hypocrisy in this statement?
It reminds me of the last Austin Powers when Austin Powers Farjah says “I hate anyone who isn’t tolerant of other peoples cultures, and the Dutch!”.
m4rk6:
Yes do you, understand mine.
“Fredo – I’m not arguing your point, I’m asking you what ambitions do you have to come into a chat to talk about a team that you don’t even root for?”
Maybe he likes talking baseball?
“Again, deals like one Tiexiera will demand are the reason this team has such an inflexible roster.”
Agreed, if it were a 2-3 year contract at that money for a player on Teixiera’s level then you could argue that it might be worth a shot. The problem is, you can only fill a hole from within or outside. Teixiera right now seems to be the only viable option outside and we really have no one in the minors. Unless we are looking to get Posada or Jeter behind first base sooner than expected. Are there any other 1B free agents out there who could fill our gap for the next few years?
Tim:
Honestly, I don’t. And I’m getting a headache trying to decipher your posts. So I’m off.
I was interested in the Gerrit Cole situation with Boras trying to hold up the Yankees – if the opening bid is $9M, what did the Tigers give the kid last year?
I think Hardball Times rated Coles’ stuff as the best in this year’s draft but identified some (correctable) mechanical issues. I hope we are able to get the kid on board regardless of his representation.
“By telling Fredo he isn’t welcome b/c he isn’t a Yankee fan. If he were picking fights like NYPD, I could see where you are coming from.”
Besides that, it ain’t true. Love the Yankees. Want them to win. Just being realistic is all. Russell NY and I are different in that I don’t view a hatred of the Mets and Red Sox as part of being a Yankees fan and he apparently does. That’s cool with me…….but stop calling me a Sox fan!!!
BTW, that cop who dumped the kid on the bike should be jailed. Just deplorable.
Miggs brings up an excellent point. No point in financing Tampa Bay even further via the luxury tax. I’d pass on Tex based solely on that rationale. I’d rather see Mientkiewicz
back there before getting bogged down with another long term contract for big $$$.
Timothy,
Well, Cano and Nady would fit the bill. But Big G has the pop and you don’t have $20M guys hitting 7th or 8th.
Personally, I can’t stand the L-R-L thing. It leads to overthinking. Our guys can’t hit lefties or righties, so other managers don’t even bother when they go to the pen.
Who’s in favor of killing the ‘stache? The Big G needs something new. Shaving his head?
““Fredo – I’m not arguing your point, I’m asking you what ambitions do you have to come into a chat to talk about a team that you don’t even root for?â€
Maybe he likes talking baseball?”
Maybe I want to hear it from him? I’m not looking to knock him if he responds in a certain way, just wanted to know why he comes here. If he likes talking baseball there are Red Sox chat rooms where you would THINK a Red Sox fan would enjoy the conversations. It seems like he is in here all the time so I was curious. EXCUSSSEEEE MEEEE.
I am a Yankee fan and like to talk baseball so I come to a Yankee chat. I wouldn’t see the fun in going to a Red Sox chat and saying every trade proposal involves holding a gun to a GM’s head, so I wanted him to enlighten me.
m4rk6:
We need a better #5 hitter……….I guess we really do miss Hideki, more than I thought.
“I’d rather see Mientkiewicz
back there before getting bogged down with another long term contract for big $$$.”
There have to be better options than him lol
Russell,
Sign Giambi to a one -year deal
Bring up Miranda
Use Jorge there occasionally
Nady can play there
Basically anyone BUT Tiexiera
Odda are Jeter will need to switch positions in the next few years. Same with Posada. And you can only play one DH. Do the math.
Not only will Tiexiera demand 6-7 years, he’s GROSSLY overrrated. Some would argue he’s already on the decline. I stay away if I’m Cashman. Far, far away.
i stayed away from the blog last night
the was enough i didnt want trolls to pull me down with them too
everyone lost
no ground lost
no ground gained
maybe this is good karma for mr.razzle dazzle tonight!
That’s all I wanted to hear Fredo
mel (47-1):
I’m for that move Cano to #5…
“Every dollar they go over the luxury tax, they put money into other team’s pockets. Add that to revenue sharing, and that’s why the Twins could afford to sign Nathan and Morneau and Mauer”
Miggs, the luxury tax money is an exceedingly small pool that represents little more than several owners’ bar tabs in a fiscal year. The revenue sharing is what positions these teams to do things like what you refer to with the Twins.
the game was enough***
TK,
The Cole deal will go right down to the last minute. In typical Boras fashion. Its probably 50-50 right now.
I think the kid will sign.
Post- Arod, teams aren’t afraid of Boras anymore. They will make strong offers and if Scott jerks them around, they will just walk away.
Its amazing how one move (the Arod stuff) made teams find religion when it comes to dealing with Boras.
Teams either are not dealing with him at all, or just holding their ground more than they ever have in the past.
The negotiations he is having with the Pirates (re: Pedro Alvarez) and the Giants (re; Buster Posey) are even more contentious than what he is having with the Yankees.
In fact, I heard the Pirate negotiations are becoming downright nasty.
Not the case with the Yankees. Just a good, ‘ol fashioned disagreement about value of the player.
Russell NY:
Now I totally agree, I would rather have Doug than Big Sexy…
mel –
lol – if Big G shaves his head he is only one dangerous step closer to resembling Youk! No Way.
FrankDiscussion – It is mind-numbingly complicated – but the luxury tax doesn’t go to other teams, it goes to the league for a variety of programs to promote the league – like the inner city centers to encourage kids to play baseball.
Revenue sharing – from the sale of merchandise for example – goes to other teams. And the Yanks get a break from it when they are financing the construction of the new Stadium.
“BTW, that cop who dumped the kid on the bike should be jailed. Just deplorable.”
holy moly, yeah saw the clip of that… disgusting.
Russell NY,
I like what Mientkiewicz brought to the table from a purely defensive standpoint, but his numbers at the plate have been on a steady decline. Agree about better options.
TK,
Thanks for that info, I had it backwards.
Timothy,
Everyone with a heart and a good baseball mind misses Hideki. He’s offered nothing but consistency since he’s been here. It must be killing him to be injured since he takes such things so personally, especially seeing how the offense has been struggling. I hope he can get healthy for ’09.
miggs:
You bring up a very valid point that I should have included in my 10:41 post.
I definately agree with you on the money issue. My 10:41 post could be construed as me believing we should throw a lot of money around this offseason. We will have a lot of money to get Tex, CC, and an OFer as I suggest in my post and still have plenty left over to stick in the bank instead of paying too much luxury tax.
However, we need to sign reasonable contracts – both length and monetary – in order to stay the course this organization is on. If either of the 3 people/positions I suggest cannot be had with a reasonable contract, then I hope Cash and the Steinbrenner’s have learned their lessons to walk away.
“Russell NY and I are different in that I don’t view a hatred of the Mets and Red Sox as part of being a Yankees fan and he apparently does.”
I hate the Mets because I had a longtime friend who was a Mets fan and would rub it in my face every day how the Yankees suck. I love to watch them lose because I know how pissed it makes him. I guess after getting pissed at him for soo long I really started to develop a disliking toward their organization. Like certain players, can’t stand the fans.
Red Sox – my hatred toward them has everything to do with Schilling, Pedro Martinez, Jason Varitek, and their fans are some of the rudest and most obnoxious people I have ever met. Don’t think I have met one Red Sox fan who has generally given a hoot about the Yankees and was curious because I heard one person weeks ago say you were a Red Sox fan. Now I know you aren’t.
SJ –
I think Boras is fighting against a number of trends that you identify. He got shafted in the Dice-K deal b/c he had no leverage. The A-Rod deal was another punch in his gut.
It seems like the draft though is an area where he still hopes to make a lot of bucks. Unfortunately I don’t know if he can really shield his clients from the potential risks if his clients don’t sign.
Can he insure a kid who walks away from a big offer to play in college for a year? Does he pay for it or the kid? You’d know a heck of a lot more about it than me.
Interesting stuff.
The Pirates negotiations with Boras involving Pedro Alvarez (their first round pick), involve the new Pirate President, who was the former lead counsel for MLB. He was the guy who convinced Selig to push teams to stay within the slot when it comes to draft picks.
Now, he gets the “joy” of negotiating with Boras. A guy who pays zero attention to the slot.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall in those negotiations. Especially since, regardless of what’s being said behind the scenes, the only chance they have to sign Alvarez is to go over slot.
The new Pirate Prez has two choices. Tick off his fan base (and new employers) by not signing Alvarez or tick off Selig by going over slot and setting the precedent for Pittsburgh becoming one of the “over the slot” teams.
Talk about Karma! lol
“BTW, that cop who dumped the kid on the bike should be jailed. Just deplorable.”
What can I youtube to find that? Where did that happen?
Robin Yount is the key – he is a HOF member who moved from SS to CF for the good of the team and to prolong his career. If Jeter can be convinced – you could then trade Melky et al., for a missing piece now and free up the DH for whomever (unfortunately, probably Possada – this is a bad sx he is looking at) in the future.
Question:
Markakis, is he a free agent this year? He would look nice in RF to replace Abreu? Thoughts?
Question for you guys:
would kc do a melkey, IPK trade for bannister and dejesus?
would you guiys do it?
“What can I youtube to find that? Where did that happen?”
check out the local wnbc channel 4 website:
http://www.wnbc.com/news/17018.....8;psp=news
No way the Yankees skip on Cole.
It will come down to the last minute but it will get done. They missed on Inoa (becuase of some backroom dealing by Inoa’s side). They are not going to miss on Cole too.
He has serious front of the rotation stuff.
Why would Boras walk away. He got Cole to the Yankees and even as a higher draft pick will probably not command more money. You also then risk injury if he pitches next year.
“I think Boras is fighting against a number of trends that you identify. He got shafted in the Dice-K deal b/c he had no leverage. The A-Rod deal was another punch in his gut.”
I still don’t think the Arod opt out, while obnoxious, cost them a dime. He still ends up with $300 million over 10 years. There was no evidence that any team was coming within 3 years or $50 million of those numbers. I think Boras got punched in the nose a bit and fell on his sword for his client (I don’t believe for a second Borad opted out w/o Arod’s consent – just don’t think Arod was prepared for the Yankees’ initial reaction), but 4% of $300 million probably cushions that blow.
Timothy,
Doubt it. Lists have been listed here several times and his name would’ve stood out.
And people here would’ve been all over a trade for him like flies on sh…
Markakis is not a free agent at the end of the year.
Timothy C –
FYI – Cot’s Baseball Contracts has a list of potential FA’s next year. There is a link on this page to it.
Markakis won’t be an FA
Alex was just mad and embarrassed to be the last guy to realize that Boras is an SOB.
Lots of changes in A-rod’s life. Wht will happen when he actually goes through a real mid-life crisis?
mel (47-1):
I read his extension talks have broke down with the O’s. Not sure if that made him available in the off season.
“Markakis, is he a free agent this year? He would look nice in RF to replace Abreu? Thoughts?”
He’d be great, but he’s 3-4 years from free agency.
russell, ny: SJ44 said, what needed to be said. And God bless him, for it.
yes. When people talk out of their @ss, it does degenerate a message board.
SJ –
Do you remember how much money Porcello got? Was it a record?
An overwhelming amount of proposals seen on this board in recent days clearly indicate that there’s few posters that have ever been good at chess or realize the workings of what goes on with a general manager’s attempts at putting together a reasonable deal.
A general manager in baseball or any sport has to be a combination of an accountant, lawyer, tactician, and sometimes even a politician to get the right deal done.
It simply is not a push button event.
Ok thanks wasn’t sure what the talks breakdown, meant Markakis won’t discuss it till after the season, wasn’t sure if that made him available. Thanks for the replies.
Thomo, there’s a huge difference between Yount and Jeter, as far as moving Jeter to center field. Yount was only 29 years old when he moved….5 years difference.
Apologies if I was wrong on the luxury tax point.
I thought that money went to other teams, not the league in general.
Timothy,
Makes sense, he is a superstar in the making (per YES crew) on a cheap team.
The Dodgers continue to look everywhere for a shortstop, and tons of names have come up in connection with their search. They don’t seem likely to land the Pirates’ Jack Wilson, but they’re scouring other organizations for options, having touched base with Toronto about John McDonald, the Yankees about Alberto Gonzales, the Twins about Adam Everett and even the Rangers about Michael Young, though it’s unclear whether or why Young would be available.
A-Gon & returning Betemit to them for Andy LaRoche since he’s on the trading block. =)
thankful to hear the talk of Yount.
they were my team, as a child. Molitor and Yount. 2 of the all-time greatest.
“When people talk out of their @ss”
You don’t know that.
Peter, you ARROGANT NEW YORK WRITER, you!!!!
What a joke. Larry Larue of the tribune in Seattle is a clown.
What don’t people get about Washburn being a salary dump?
wow i was goin for 10 minutes at work and so much has happened!! i dunno if its too late for this but i liked dougy last year..bring his good defense a$$ back.. rather count on him to hit than sexson!
Miggs:
You have it right. Luxury Tax monies do go to other teams, but it’s a relatively small pool of money. I don’t think any team besides the Yankees and Boston have had to pay a luxury tax, and I think Boston only paid it once.
Vince,
What? You mean there’s no easy button like I learned in my Baseball GM correspondence school?
My hero of the week is Cashman. He really schooled the Pirates who probably would’ve done better to deal Nady and Marte, who must feel like orphans going to a big ol’ mansion, separately.
What was the rush? Although, 2 days before the deal went down, the Pirates GM was said to put out calls saying the price was dropping. Did the Boston, Tampa, and the other teams looking for a RH bat and LH reliever mess up?
Moving Jeter to CF… a guy who doesn’t hit for any power and everyone questions his “weak” throwing arm? 2B or 1B is more likely.
Fredo – http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ry_tax_ap/
It looks like Texas and the Angels have also had to pay luxury tax.
Fredo – Texas and the Angels have had to pay luxury taxes as well.
What is up with Alan Horne?
Pretty scary quote on SWB blog that he has nothing. Alan says his arm strength is there but just can’t get his pitches to work.
Is this an injury, or some crazy dead arm period?
With White demoted and Horne struggling all year the two closest to the majors pitchers from the spring are going in the wrong direction.
Some insight would be great.
Russell NY:
Jeter weak throwing arm??? What…
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_.....ork_in_MLB
Fredo -
Check out the link above about the luxury tax. It doesn’t go to other teams
TB gets Halladay today in TOR. I don’t see them winning that game. We could pick up a game if we win tonight. Here’s hoping Rasner’s got luck on his side.
all the Jeter discussion is pretty irrelevant right now. thats another discussion for a different day.
he’s not moving off SS anytime in the near future, nor is there a SS in the system, or available in FA in the next year or two, who could take over the position even if Jeter said he’d do it for the team, which he wouldnt do.
“Russell NY:
Jeter weak throwing arm??? What…”
Jeter doesn’t have an outfield arm from what I have seen… neither does Damon but that’s why he isn’t in CF.
“… huge difference between Yount and Jeter, as far as moving Jeter to center field. Yount was only 29 years old when he moved…”
I actually think Jeter would make a pretty good outfielder But I know that’s not going to happen. Jeter’s lost a big step going to his left when he really couldn’t afford to lose it in the first place.
Russell NY:
I don’t think hae has a weak throwing arm, he gunned Roberts out from shallow left field last night. He definatly has a much better arm thean Damon and Hideki.
if they did move jeter…big IF..i am pretty sure they could throw AROD there
Rasner’s fighting to keep his MLB career alive. He may have a good game in him tonight. Ponson’s had about 9 lives so far.Really I think I prefer Rasner as at least he makes adjustments. If we land Washrag, Ponson’s gotta go.
It’s great to want to limit free agents to reasonable $$ and years. One question… what freakin’ planet do you live on?
Teixiera will get 5-7 years at $ 18-20 per. It’s roughly the same money Giambi got seven years ago, and it would go to a better athlete, better defensive player who is younger and a switch hitter. The alternative of a little bit of Posada, a little bit of Miranda and a dash of Mientkewicz sounds good, but won’t yield even average 1B productivity.
CC is headed for an even bigger contract. The Yanks can be players with these guys or not, but clicking your Ruby Slippers and saying, “there’s no place like the Bronx” is not going to get the Yankees the best starting pitcher and best position player in this year’s free agent class.
From a baseball standpoint Teixiera actually makes more sense than Sabathia because the Yankees have a chance to solve their 2009 pitching needs internally, they do not have the position players to fill voids at this time.
“He definatly has a much better arm thean Damon and Hideki.”
No argument there. If we move Nady to right and Austin Jackson to Center in the future, we can stick Jeter in left. That’s looking real far though.
TK:
Thanks for the info.
Russell NY:
Did not know that the Halos and Rangers had to pay in. Must have been pretty small change.
Sj you monitoring the kids this morning?
Good job… Like Sexson is the reaso nthe Yanks offense is average!!!!!
Why do the loser posters never call a pig a pig…Jeter and the gang of millionaires have not done there job this year.. Cano is up to a 305 OBP, Giambi killing the ball at a 249 avg., jeter slugging way down, 17 Dp’s, etc..
the zillionaires have not gotten it done.. Damon has done pretty godd but only has 7 HR’s he should hit 20 a year….
these mental midgets would rather blame melky there 8th or 9th hitter then the stars who are suppose to produce. we have arod the king of clutchness this year………
there offense needs to be consistently good for 60 games or else, we have big trouble…..
People should go back and read Pete’s trade talk primer from a few days ago. It really is amazing what happens when trade talk starts happening on the internet. I bet there was n ot one person who predicted we would get BOTH Nady and Marte and give up what we gave up a few weeks ago. Just because you read it or write it doesnt make it so. To be honest I dont recall anyone reading it or writing it until is actually happened. Cashman seems to be more stealth than most realize.
Source: Washburn to Yanks deal ‘dead’
Jarrod Washburn – S – SEA – Jul. 29 – 9:50 am et
A source tells the New York Post that a deal that would send Jarrod Washburn to the Yankees is “dead.”
The Mariners want a prospect in addition to the Yankees taking on Washburn’s salary, which New York won’t do. Of course, this could all change as the deadline approaches, and that Washburn is owed $13.6 million through next season makes him a candidate to be traded after the non-waiver deadline. Jul. 29 – 9:50 am et
http://www.rotoworld.com/conte.....038;spln=1
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Oh well…NEXT !
86w183:
I agree, and I like pitching more but Tex is the better option here. IMO
“From a baseball standpoint Teixiera actually makes more sense than Sabathia because the Yankees have a chance to solve their 2009 pitching needs internally, they do not have the position players to fill voids at this time.”
I disagree. The Yankees of 2009 without aging Pettitte and Moose consist of: Joba, Wang, Hughes, Kennedy, Rasner/whoever in the minors. We haven’t seen Hughes or Kennedy succeed in MLB yet like they need to and we can’t have those question marks again.
“From a baseball standpoint Teixiera actually makes more sense than Sabathia because the Yankees have a chance to solve their 2009 pitching needs internally, they do not have the position players to fill voids at this time.”
thats kind of how i see it, too.
“Jeter doesn’t have an outfield arm from what I have seen… neither does Damon but that’s why he isn’t in CF.”
I’d guess Jeter’s arm would be fine for the outfield. Shortstops tend to have guns. Good example is BJ Upton. He has an absolute cannon. Makes Melky’s arm, which is pretty good, look Damon-esque.
86w183 is correct. tex makes more sense then CC for 2 main reasons.. the Yanks have many pitching prospects and very few 1B prospects and long term deals for pitchers are much riskier then for position players..
if the yanks sign tex; they eliminate the multi dh/1B crap they have been going thru for at least 3 yrs.. Give Tex Giambis’s money and be done with it.. they still cut kyle, avano and others money for next yr.. I would guess the Yankee payroll next yr would be $175 mill. or less and they should have a better team then this year. The whole pen except for Mo will be cheap young guys(huge savings) and they will be good…
I bring back pettitte but no Moose… the staff will be some version of thi; joba, pettitte hughes, wang, IPK, and others.. That is damn good and of courscc sabathise you need addtl. options in case if that is washbum or someone else that is fine..
cc sabathia is a very good player but no pitcher is worth what they are getting paid and the risk is not worth the reward….the yanks have there future ace his name is Joba….
moose might very well be the last 300 game winner..and has a pretty good chance at it if he sticks with what he has done this year..i really wouldnt be opposed to seeing him do it in pinstripes! one more year…why not i think hes earned it
Russell…. Pettite turns 37 in June 2009 and is pitching extremely well. He’s not a velocity dependent guy, so I have no concerns there.
Which would you rather have; Kennedy in the rotation or Miranda as an every day first baseman?
Pretty easy choice for me.
That said, I want both CC and Tex and have no interest in bringing back Mussina, Farns, Paguano, Giambi, Abreu. I’d try to add guys like Catalanotto and/or Wingginton as possible bench improvements. A big key for 2009 is whther or not Jorge can catch…. if he can:
Damon 7
Jeter 6
ARod 5
Tex 3
Mats DH
Cano 4
Jorge 2
Nady 7
Melky 8
Rotation—- Sabathia, Wang, Pettite, Joba, Hughes/Kennedy
Bullpen —- Rivera, Marte, Melancon, Veras, Ramirez,
Robertson and Geise/Rasner
Tex is one of the best free agents available in years. Young, power, OBP, defense, switch hitter. He should be priority # 1. It would be awesome for the Yanks to regain their 1st base glory.
Donnie
Tino
Aghhhh
Tex ?
Big G has had his moments but overall his legacy will be regarded as a 7 year mistake. Yankee high command probably has a magnum of Cristal ready to pop when his contract expires.
“A source tells the New York Post that a deal that would send Jarrod Washburn to the Yankees is “dead.â€
then so be it.
I wanted washburn. However, like it said in the movie Friday: “It’s about the principalities” Teams will grow to understand, the NYY organization will not be held up, like they used to be. Not as long, as Cashman have power
so cash money and the seattle g.m. are in a staring contest. seattle wants us to take washburn and his salary and give them an A prospect. cash wants the m’s to pay a big chunk of his salary or settle for a
i think its important to remember that after the trading deadline guys who pass through waivers will be traded. and certainly washburn is very likely to clear waivers b/c nobody wants to take over his contract.
“moose might very well be the last 300 game winner”
He most likely wouldn’t win 300 until the 2011 season if he chose to keep playing.
im on the side that says sign tex and pass on c.c. i like them both but im pretty convinced that sabbathia will get a 6 yr deal from someone and that’s just too long for a big $ SP imo. .i think tex’s all around game improves the yankees everyday. and i still think Joba, Wang, Hughes will become an excellent 1,2,3 for us.
true about he 300 wins..but unless IPK and Hughes start doing what is expected to them, why not give moose another year? Aside from last nights performance, I must say that i look forward to everytime he pitches this year because it is fun to watch. Obviously last night wasn’t!
I have a ton of respect for Mussina, what he’s done in his career and how he’s reinvented himself this season.
But I can’t help feeling he’s more illusionist than 15-18 game winner and that it won’t continue for another year or two. I could be wrong… shoot I can’t figure out how Jamie Moyer gets anyone out.
With or without CC I like going into ’09 with Pettite, Wang and Joba as a starting point.
this blog is dying down..no i am really going to be bored at work!
Cashman will wait until the deadline to get Washburn or Arroyo, to be the #4 or #5 pitcher in the rotation. Or, he’ll wait for them to clear waivers.
Regardless, he’s going after 1 prize in the offseason, and that’s CC, since he missed out on Santana, but mark my words, he’s not going to offer a Santana size contract in terms of annual dollar amount, nor one over 5 years.
As far as Tex is concerned, Posada is going to be a 1B/DH, so get used to it. On occassion he’ll catch, but just for nostalgia. Molina will remain the backup, but don’t be surprised to see the Yanks hunting Martin.