Cashman talks about the trade
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Here is an internet exclusive for you. Brian Cashman discussing the trade, the entire 15-minute press conference:
A few points I found interesting:
* He was NOT looking for catching until Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski called today and proposed this trade.
* The Yankees are very much in “go for it” mode. You have to figure Jarrod Washburn is next. Or something else.
* C-Money clearly has a soft spot for Farnsworth.
* Hank and Hal have their pop’s love of spending money. That’s for sure. They have added $4.78 million to the payroll since Friday. Cashman said there is a limit. But who knows where that line is drawn?
UPDATE, 6:26 p.m.: “It’s going to be very exciting,” Rodriguez told reporters in Cleveland. “They are in the race and I’m ready to do my job.”
Rodriguez waived the no-trade clause in his deal without demanding compensation.
“Pudge has always wanted to play in New York,” agent Scott Boras told the Associated Press.
Rodriguez is scheduled to arrive in time to be on the roster for tomorrow’s game against the Los Angeles Angels.
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Bring on AT LEAST Washburn and possibly another starting pitcher ! ( YES…I am greedy ! )
Life is getting interesting! Keep your fingers crossed for Cash to pull something else out of his hat.
I don’t buy the “I was looking until the Detroit GM’s call” line though…Cash has pulled enough magic that leaves us saying “WTF?”
this trade is excellent….and when posada comes back we can always use pudge as a trade chip. How many teams need a catcher? I’d say about 25
Telling Cashman that there’s a spending limit with that kind of money is like telling…well I can’t think of an analogy
Does he mention who is coming up? I’m guessing Bruney.
Did Cashman sneak into Dombroski’s bedroom last night while playing a tape which subliminally said “Trade Pudge to the Yankees for Kyle Farsworth”?
They’ve kept a lot of powder dry. I’m expecting a better starter than Washburn now.
$4.78MM is less than 2.5% of the Yanks 2008 payroll.
It sounds like a lo, but it really isn’t….
I’m sure this has been asked, but I just got in from work. What is Pudge’s contract situation.
he is a svengali out there
raymagnetic: I can’t think of any other reason.
“What is Pudge’s contract situation.”
Pudge is a FA at the end of the season.
Bruney will definitely be coming up. If he stumbles badly, Cox or Melancon could be next.
Pudge is a free agent after this year, there is no blocking of Posada.
Forget Washburn.. How about going after Liriano? Lets see another insane trade Cashman.
Buster Olney saying rumor of Manny to the Marlins is heating up for 3 prospects- one of which will be Jeremy Hermida or Josh Willingham.
Mark: FA at end of Yr
Anyone know if the Yankees are done for trades now?
Can we change his name to Stealthman. Everytime he says nothing is going on in the trade market. Bamm!! He picks someone elses pockets.
Manny going to florida will be the best thing that could happen to us in this pennant race.
I guess Detroit really thinks Farns can be a closer for them. Unbelievable that they’d make this trade with a team they are competing against for the wild card.
What I don’t like about the trade is that if we end up getting into a throw down with BOS (which I think is coming), we won’t have Farnsy in there to kick some serious butt.
“Did Cashman sneak into Dombroski’s bedroom last night while playing a tape which subliminally said “Trade Pudge to the Yankees for Kyle Farsworth”?”
Like a lot of teams, Detroit’s always loved Farnsworth’s 99mph heat. And like a lot of teams, they’ve been willing to risk the ‘but’ that goes with it. They also need major help in their bullpen. This all applied to us when we originally signed him.
Considering the amount scheduled to come off the payroll at the end of this and next season, I wouldn’t be too concerned with the money spending.
Thanks guys I appreciate it. I knew I would get an answer quick. Your all the best when it comes to getting the info.
Who knows if Cash is done? As he’s said in the past, it only takes one phone call. Look at what Pete wrote above - Dave Dombrowski called today, and viola.
Cashman has one more bullett in his holster. Lets see what we can get for C.J. this time around.
“Unbelievable that they’d make this trade with a team they are competing against for the wild card.”
Tells you how desperate they are. Their bullpen must be a train wreck with injuries. Didn’t Zumaya just go down again? Rodney doesn’t seem to be effective. They need Farnsy. He’s better than nothing.
Is it possible to trade Molina in the offseason and have Posada and Pudge rotating from dh to catcher?
You’re right, Joe. There can be speculation but anything can happen. Thanks
I can not believe this trade took only hours to come together. Also, they wanted to fortify their bullpen. Why get a FA? Why only one reliever? Cashman’s victims continue to pile up. Un-freaking-believable.
$5M is a drop in the bucket, Pete. Pennies.
Meanwhile, the Marte-deprived Sox are inquiring about Arthur Rhodes.
Please, please let that and Manny to Florida happen! Would make this trade deadline almost illegally good for us.
Does Pudge call a good game?
that is an interesting idea S.o.S.27
Does Pudge call a good game?
Really?
“Is it possible to trade Molina in the offseason and have Posada and Pudge rotating from dh to catcher?”
That would be a mistake since Molina is a better defensive catcher than the both of them.
Cashman PLEASE trade for a starting pitcher!! I will be really pissed if they don’t get a pitcher. Marte and Pudge is a luxury and he hasn’t gotten the 1 thing that they really need. I wish they could keep Pudge next year instead of Posada and his awful contract.
Also Cashman has to learn that part of being a GM is trading players. He was upset that they trade a disaster in Farns. and yesterday he said that he is really upset about trading Tabata. Get over it!! That is `1 of the reasons that the Santana trade wasn’t made Cashman is too much of a softy in losing these players. Even girardi was crying’?!?!!
HOLY EXCREMENT!
I still don’t know i feel about this trade however.
As long as the Yankees are convinced either Bruney or Melancon can fill Marte’s role and/or Marte can fill Farnsworth’s role, I guess it’s a good deal.
I still think I’m too shocked to appraise it however.
Pudge is a better hitter than Moeller/Molina, that’s for sure. My only concern is how he handles the Yankees starters. Molina and Mussina worked superbly together, as did Joba and Molina, same with Moeller and Rasner.
I like this trade more if Matsui returns and replaces Moeller’s roster spot and/or the Yankees acquire a pitcher who displaces Rasner from the rotation and renders Moeller superfluous. (Although I still prefer Rasner to Ponson as the fifth starter.)
This Manny stuff is unbelievable. BTW, I know Manny is Great but I think I’d prefer a disgruntled Manny right now in Boston than Jason Bay.
SoS,
Jose’s not going anywhere. He’s way too valuable.
What should we do with Moeller?
“Does Pudge call a good game?”
Yes.
can we please get another pitcher?
I don’t want Washburn. He can stay in Seattle.
The Yanks should find an alternative option within the system.
I may be wrong, but when C-Money’s phone rang, the ringtone sounded like that song “The Final Countdown”. That’s just sad. LOL!
“This Manny stuff is unbelievable. BTW, I know Manny is Great but I think I’d prefer a disgruntled Manny right now in Boston than Jason Bay.”
Sounds nice from an off-the-field perspective, but when the players are on the field and you’re looking at either Manny or Jason Bay at the plate against one of our pitchers, you can’t hesitate for .2 seconds about which one you’d rather see.
“Marte and Pudge is a luxury”
Lefty in the pen was a need. Everyday catcher was a need when Posada got hurt. And outfielder was a need when we lost Matsui. We’ve lost starters to injury, but we also have good minor leaguers close to callup.
“What should we do with Moeller?”
Drive him to the airport.
I don’t want Washburn. He can stay in Seattle.
The Yanks should find an alternative option within the system.
Like Kennedy? No thanks. We played that game already this year. It’s time to try and win another Championship.
if cashman if pulling this off then he should try to steal peavy from the padres
“Also Cashman has to learn that part of being a GM is trading players. He was upset that they trade a disaster in Farns. and yesterday he said that he is really upset about trading Tabata. Get over it!! That is `1 of the reasons that the Santana trade wasn’t made Cashman is too much of a softy in losing these players. Even girardi was crying’?!?!!”
Yeah, this is business, but these guys are human. It’s a job, but they still consider themselves family. To ask them not to feel something about trading a family member is a bit heartless and cold. I’m glad to know that behind all the talk and the cash, there are real human beings making decisions.
““What should we do with Moeller?”
Drive him to the airport.”
Man that is messed up. At least give him an autographed ball signed by the whole team including Pudge.
Typical Steve Phillips.
“Interesting trade. They are not getting HOF pudge, they are getting a catcher who wore out his welcome in Detroit and will struggle to learn a new pitching staff. Molina was great at calling games and worked well with the pitchers, Pudge obviously has slightly better offense but that’s it. Interesting trade”
“Does Pudge call a good game?”
He has taken some criticism for inattentive calls with runners on base. But he’s been likened to Varitek as far as being a good influence on young pitchers. The Marlins gave him a ton of credit for his work with the young staff there in ‘03.
“This Manny stuff is unbelievable. BTW, I know Manny is Great but I think I’d prefer a disgruntled Manny right now in Boston than Jason Bay.”
Did you see what disgruntled Manny did to us on Sunday? No thanks.
I will drive Bay to Boston myself if it helps ship Manny to the National League.
Finally the Yanks are getting a full night of rest while the team they will be playing are the ones flying in at all hours of the morning.
Is it wrong to hope for a rain delay plus extras in Fenway tonight?
Melancon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“if cashman if pulling this off then he should try to steal peavy from the padres”
Maddux maybe …
This trade probably hurts the Tiggers by subtraction at catcher more than it helps them in the bullpen.
Considering Nady & Pudge, it helps the Yanks offense almost replace what it’s been missing from the injuries to Posada & Matsui. And it keeps Damon’s arm out of the outfield.
Marte probably balances out Farnswarth even though the Farnsworth that was just traded has been doing pretty good lately. But Marte more than balances out losing the Farnsworth that struggled for so long.
Soon we’ll see which Farnsworth Detroit actually got, and that’ll tell us what NY gave up.
Hopefully he throws a high tight one to Youkilis when Detriot plays Boston, and he still gets a chance to body slam Youkilis.
Good move this season and Posada-IROD platoon for next year (catcher/1st/DH) sounds even better.
Laura - i heard it, too.. but def not final countdown, THAT was the NFL on Fox theme song!
Pete, we need a little more info on this..
From Chad Jenning’s SWB Blog:
Also, in the comments someone asked about an innings cap on Melancon. My feeling is that there is no cap in place considering Chaves specifically told me that he has the green light to use him three or four innings at a time. If the Yankees were looking to limit Melancon’s innings, they would surely hold him to one or two innings at a time.
Gammons said Pudge would not go to the pitchers meetings in detroit and did not get along with some pitchers at all. He had major problems with beckett.
So I’m sure some would say that Pudge does not call a good game.
Just sayin’
I can’t believe that Bora$$ is Pudge’s agent and he didnt make either team include money in the deal for him to waive his no trade. It just goes to show that Pudge is willing to come and try to win and doesnt care about the couplf of dollars and Washhburn is still on a last place team and wants money to waive his..What an idiot..
Also if this Manny trade idea is true can someone please tell me why the Marlins would be trading for Manny and his $10m salary??!! it doesnt make alot of sense.
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TRADED FARNSWORTH TRADED FARNSWORTH TRADED FARNSWORTH
TRADED FARNSWORTH TRADED FARNSWORTH TRADED FARNSWORTH
~~~~~~I CAN”T BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED FINALLY~~~~~~~
What’s my new ending statement?
BRING UP MELANCON
Cashman’s ringtone sounded like NFL on FO*
“He had major problems with beckett.”
Considering what an arrogant p%@ck Beckett was in Florida, this is to be expected. He had problems with Varitek at first.
Gammons, being a tool, would not give you that side of things.
I just saw the clip of Kyle in the clubhouse after the game and trade was announced…He was clearly crying.
It’s easy to think of these guys as Nintendo figures, and forget they’re flesh and blood. I have been guilty of this, myself. And then you see something like this.
Kyle, for all his warts, gave it his all. Unfortunately, for him and us, all too often it wasn’t enough. He drove us crazy. But he tried, and for whatever reason (end of contract, who knows what…) he got it together the last couple of months. And now he’s gone, the relationships he forged in the clubhouse gone.
Bobby Murcer once said that the Yankees were like no other organization - and he meant that in a good way. And Kyle has lost that.
I am clearly looking forward to Pudge coming over here, and I think it makes the Yanks a much better team. But it takes me back, a bit, to see Kyle there, crying on TV, and realize that these are really flesh and blood guys.
I wish Kyle the best.
What’s amazing is that we’ve hardly given up anything we’d miss.
Tabata, yes, but his stock had dropped some. High expectations leave to door open to disappointment with highly touted prospects.
Cashman probably loves the fact that Pudge is a type A free agent. So they get a #1 pick when he leaves next year. Not bad…We know that Cashman loves those picks that probably had a decision in this move also.
Pete is going to miss Krazy K.
Its Melancon time bring him up DFA Moeller end of story.
This from Jim Leyland during the ‘06 postseason:
“Pudge Rodriguez has been a guy that has done every single thing we’ve asked. When I first took the job, people thought there was going to be some friction, that maybe our personalities wouldn’t work, and I couldn’t figure out why. I mean, you just use common sense and you get along with people. I can tell you this: I have the utmost respect. We’ve had no problems. The one thing I’m proudest about Pudge Rodriguez is he’s not as great a player as he was, but he’s still an outstanding player. So don’t misunderstand what I’m saying. But the thing I like about Pudge Rodriguez the most is that he plays hurt, he plays hard, and he comes to beat the other team. And he’s done every single thing we’ve asked as far as cooperating with our pitchers and our pitchers meeting. He’s been a manager’s dream. We couldn’t ask any more than what this guy has done for us this year. He’s been a real treat.”
Gammons seen bawling once again in his luxury suite at the Green Sardine Can.
He can’t stand the sight of seeing Teixeira in the Angels lineup then got the news about I-Rod. A double punch in the gut.
First of all - Steve Phillips is a total tool.
On the trade, best case scenario is Pudge comes in and is a difference maker, after all, he’s a hall of famer and is playing for a contract next year.
Worst case Scenario, Cashman just traded Crazy Kyle for 2 high picks in next years draft. Pretty shrewd move if you ask me.
Now since he has pulled off 2 heists call up KC and demand Greinke hey its worth a shot right Doris?
Good things that have happened this week.
A. Dfa’d Hawkins
B. Traded Ohly(Sturtz).(always thought there were better bullpen guys than him)
C. Got rid of Farns and getting someone in return.(most wanted dfa’d)
D. Got rid of an outfielder batting under .200 and a catcher batting .220
If we can fill the 4th and 5th starters holes. This team will be clost to perfect.
Gammons and Henry along with all the other NESPN tools must be on suicide watch. Also it was nice to see Nady hit today finally.
what’s the source for both Girardi’s and Cashman’s affection for Farnsworth? He seemed like especially a pain in the ass to a manager. He was obsessed with having a power fastball yet somehow couldn’t go more than one inning, on consecutive days, or enter in mid-inning. I can’t believe Cashman wasn’t severely disappointed when he learned all this about him.
That was a nice post, Joe from Long Island.
Well said.
Surprise Boras didnt ask for a 3 year extension at 100 mil.
Well, if they’re in go for it mode, they better bring something better than Rasner or Ponson to the mound every 5th day.
Kyle would be my first choice to accompany me in a strange city…
And He protected the players at the plate lately…
and he was doing great on the mound…
and he took a lot of unwarranted grief from the fans.
Thank you Kyle. Good luck and God bless.
Any more word on anything Grienke, or was that bunch of trade rumors all BS?
Please no trades for Crotchburn.
Please no trades for Manny either. At least not with our team. Let the Mets, Giants or Dodgers have him.
“I can’t believe Cashman wasn’t severely disappointed when he learned all this about him.”
Thats because you’re thinking like a fan, and not like a GM.
“Is it possible to trade Molina in the offseason and have Posada and Pudge rotating from dh to catcher?”
Neither of them would be happy about that (Pudge or Jorge).
Cashman is a thief.
I am expecting that tomorrow at 3:59 PM, he will trade Ponson, Britton, and Juan Miranda for Justin Duchscherer.
Mark Melancon line: 6-0 1.81 49.2 IP 32 H 12BB 47K 0.89 WHIP
Please bring him up already especially if Bruney is pitching erratically and not healthy yet.
“what’s the source for both Girardi’s and Cashman’s affection for Farnsworth? He seemed like especially a pain in the ass to a manager. He was obsessed with having a power fastball yet somehow couldn’t go more than one inning, on consecutive days, or enter in mid-inning. I can’t believe Cashman wasn’t severely disappointed when he learned all this about him.”
Its called security. He was the only body guard in the stadium. Now they will have to walk each other to their cars at night.
The yankees strategy of the past 3 years of acquiring young pitching is paying off hand over fist right now.
The yankees have what people want - pitching. Every trade deadline teams scramble to find pitching, especially relief pitching.
Kyle was kyle. But how many teams in all of baseball could afford to trade their set up guy mid season? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.
You can only do that if you have tremendous depth.
This trade makes the Marte/ Nady trade even better. Marte will slide in and play a major role in the 8th inning. Without Marte you’d be going with a pen that is almost all rookies. But having Marte makes this trade more feasible.
The trade demands texas was putting up for a guy like Laird were ridiculous. There was a lot of demand for catching. To be able to get a better player than Laird for only Farnsworth is remarkable.
What isn’t there to like about this trade?
We all love Molina but, he’s not an everyday catcher. In fact, he will be more effective not catching everyday. Pudge gives them an everyday catcher who can hit. Plus, he will be pretty pumped about coming into a pennant race. He’s always been an excellent clutch player.
The one area of depth the Yankees have is in the bullpen. They can slot Marte or Veras into the 8th inning, call up Bruney (with Melancon on the come) and fill the bullpen need.
On top of it, Pudge will most likely be a Type A Free Agent at the end of the year. Meaning, 2 draft picks when he leaves in the off-season. The real plus of the deal, especially considering the fact if Detroit keeps losing, that could be a Top 10 pick.
Seems to me the Yankee sold Farnsworth at his highest value and got themselves a solid player in return.
Hard to quibble about that.
Like Kennedy? No thanks. We played that game already this year. It’s time to try and win another Championship.
Maybe you didn’t watch last season unfold but the pitchers who made the biggest impact on the Yanks last season were all kids - Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy.
Even Clemens was a major disappointment for a guy who wasn’t expected to be any better than a middle of the rotation starter.
We know what Washburn is - a back of the rotation starter who has overachieved the last 6 weeks.
I’ll take my chances with the kids. That strategy worked pretty well in 2005 (Cano and Wang), 2006 (Melky), and 2007.
Ansky,
I think Greinke would require a large return and I haven’t heard much about the Yanks in it.
Who is Crotchburn? ha
I want Greinke pitching Friday night not the fat aruban drunk get it done Cash!
damn, i just heard about pudge. im psyched, its a great move imo. pudge is a winner. if the offense was consistently putting up runs, this would not have been nessesary but this is a serious upgrade at the plate over molina and he’s still great behind the plate! that leaves melky as the only weak stick in the lineup.
major props to cash money!
““I can’t believe Cashman wasn’t severely disappointed when he learned all this about him.”
Thats because you’re thinking like a fan, and not like a GM.”
Explain. Why would a GM like any of the limitations I named?
how does it work out to a top 10 pick? if someone outside the top 15 signs him we get their pick and a sandwich, if it’s someone in the top 15 it’s two sandwiches right? we wouldn’t get detroits draft pick because we traded for their catcher.
CaptainsCorner,
I don’t think Washburn is the problem…Seattle’s GM is the problem. He is a bush league interim GM.
“I’ll take my chances with the kids. That strategy worked pretty well in 2005 (Cano and Wang), 2006 (Melky), and 2007.”
It’s beside the point. I expect Pavano and Igawa for Matt Cain tomorrow afternoon.
If Beckett is as easy to dislike as has been said, Pudge not liking him in Florida may not be Pudge’s fault at all. It might have something to do with Beckett, though.
On a team with 25 guys plus staff I wouldn’t expect anyone to get along perfectly with everyone. Beckett sounds like one of those blips on the radar screen.
I don’t see that kind of thing being a big issue with Pudge in NY.
“Seems to me the Yankee sold Farnsworth at his highest value and got themselves a solid player in return.”
Sj. Good point. We can thank our new manager for helping us land Pudge. If it wasnt for Girardi, we would have got maple bats for Farns.
After this move, I hope all the commenters who called Cashman incompetent, cowardly, or unable to make a trade that wasn’t a salary dump have woken up and realized how stupid they sounded.
By acquiring Nady, Marte, and now Pudge, Cashman dramatically improved his team right now without mortgaging the future. That’s how a smart GM works.
If the BoSox trade Ramirez to the Marlins for Hermida and some others, does that mean they are done for the year?
“pudge is a winner.”
Postseason series, Jeter is probably the only guy in the lineup I’d rather have up in a big spot. Pudge has been a -great- playoff performer.
does anyone know the yankees 2 bat songs? im making a cd for my friend
I don’t know, according to Cashman, the Tigers’ GM called him with the trade. All he had to do was accept.
first of all that was cashmans ring tone as NFL on FOX which i thought was awesome. I personally wish that i hadnt heard the interview with farnsworth because now it makes me feel bad about trading him even though it was the right move and makes our team much better. Finally our team has high average guys that can move runners over rather than big strike out phoneys
“If the BoSox trade Ramirez to the Marlins for Hermida and some others, does that mean they are done for the year?”
No. They have too much depth in the lineup. But I’d be about 150% more comfortable facing them down the stretch and in the postseason.
Farnsworth should help the Tigers ‘pen, which is in need of help, but the downgrade from Pudge to Inge is also going to be felt over there.
I just heard the Manny to Florida rumors and i am scratchng my head how does that make any sense for Florida what are they getting from Manny 2 months of production this is the most far fetched Manny deal yet.
http://theblogofchampions.com/?p=160
No wonder Steve Phillips is no longer a GM! The guy is clueless.
Ivan Rodriguez is the kind of leader this team has been missing since Paul O’Neil. Anyone who watched the Marlins during their run in 03 know how valuable he was to that team. He is terrific with a pitching staff, and is a firebrand when it comes to hustle and desire. The Yankees just upped their playoff chances 50% with this trade.
1) Come on Pete, even you know ~$5M is a steal for everything we got over the past few days.. i mean, its not to long ago, we all would have chipped in to pay $5M just to get rid of Kyle.
2) No way Bosox deal manny. Those guys are a bunch of cowards and will simply crawl back in their hole and say manny being manny, oh well.
3) You have to like this deal for pudge (but then again, I was excited about getting Nady and so far have been disappointed).
4) Was Pudge with Florida when Pavano was there.. hmmmmmm
reunion perhaps?
WE NOW FINALLY HAVE TO FRAUDS IN PINSTRIPES! YEAH!
A-FRAUD AND I-FRAUD!
YEAH.
(glad we finally dumped farnsworthless).
to get 2 picks for ivan we’d need to offer him arbitration… what if he accepted ?
If Boston gets good young talent for Manny thats good for them but why ould the Marlins want to give those guys up to rent Manny for half a season.
“Cashman’s ringtone sounded like NFL on FO*”
I don’t follow football so that’s probably why I didn’t recognize it. I’m also a big fan of the 80’s so that’s probably why it sounded like that dreadful “Final Countdown” song.
Look at the deals another way.
The Yankees acquired Nady, Marte and Pudge for one player on their active roster and one of their Top Ten prospects. That’s it.
They get draft picks when Pudge leaves next year. Which replenishes the farm system.
How can that be a bad thing?
Let’s not get buyer remorse on Farnsworth. They sold him high.
If you have buyers remorse on Farnsworth, ask yourself the following question.
Last game of the year in Boston, season on the line, one run lead in the 8th inning. A win gets you to the playoffs.
How comfortable do you feel with Kyle pitching that inning?
“After this move, I hope all the commenters who called Cashman incompetent, cowardly, or unable to make a trade that wasn’t a salary dump have woken up and realized how stupid they sounded.”
No, Jeremy, they still want Santana - Yes, even now.
Breaking analysis here!
Anyone else think Maddux might be a nice fit?
“No. They have too much depth in the lineup. But I’d be about 150% more comfortable facing them down the stretch and in the postseason.”
Oh, I disagree here. With Ramirez gone, Ortiz gets walked more to get to Drew or Lowell, who simply aren’t as dangerous as Ramirez. Also, the bottom of that lineup - Lugo, Crisp, Cora - yeah, really scary guys…not!!
I don’t care how many papers Manny has signed - I will believe he’s been traded when I see him actually play a game in the other team’s uniform.
Confcius -
Boston trading Manny would rid them of the infectious pustule he is, and of his insidious negotiating tactics, but they will miss the bat he wields.
Get something for him? Oh yes they will, you can count on that. But at the same time, Manny’s bat will be out of their lineup which is good for other teams in almost any situation.
“to get 2 picks for ivan we’d need to offer him arbitration… what if he accepted ?”
They’ll play him if Posada isn’t healthy.
Or, what is more likely, they’ll trade him. Pudge signed to a one year deal will draw a lot of interest in the off season. Catching is just too hard to find.
I don’t think he’ll accept arbitration - he’ll want and be able to get a multi year deal. And a one year arbitration deal is not boras’s style.
But even if he does accept that’s fine. The yankees will be able to deal him. He won’t have the no trade clause anymore.
A week ago if you told me that Damaso Marte would be throwing to Pudge Rodriguez, I would have laughed at you.
“I am clearly looking forward to Pudge coming over here, and I think it makes the Yanks a much better team. But it takes me back, a bit, to see Kyle there, crying on TV, and realize that these are really flesh and blood guys.”
Excellent, excellent post Joe! Hear! Hear!
“If Boston gets good young talent for Manny thats good for them but why ould the Marlins want to give those guys up to rent Manny for half a season.”
They’re two out in the NL east. They want to make another run. They’d probably want salary relief from Boston and they wouldn’t be willing to give much up, so it isn’t likely to happen. But if they pull it off, it’s the gutsy trade deadline move that it looks like the Rays aren’t going to make.
Three Things:
1) Mark Melancon has already thrown 75.1 innings this year… to put that into perspective, that is just under 30 more than the highest in the Yankees pen (Rivera, 47.1)
2) Stop believe all of the BS rumors flying around. With both of Cashman’s two deals so far, there hasn’t been a single rumor regarding either before hand. Cashman isn’t going to tip his hand, he’ll surprise us all.
3) Why all the hate of Kennedy? He has been dealing lately in AAA (20 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 4 BB, 14 K, Source). He deserves another shot at the MLB level
Ok the only thing left is a starting pitcher..Cash get it done!! Yanks got the best defensive catcher in the majors, the best lefty reliever, one of the best outfielders available. Yanks got alot better but if they keep sending Rasner and Ponson out there then it wont really mean anything. I mean Ras and Pon against the Angels this week?!!!!..I can throw up just thinking about it!!
Next year how about Posada plays 1st base and they sign Pudge to catch?!
I bet the pitchers aren’t happy about this move. Pudge is a selfish catcher — was always more concerned about showing off his arm than calling a good game. One thing I think we can count on, though, is that Pudge will be on his best behavior for a while.
Mussina will definitely stick with Molina.
Not real happy about the move. Moeller was good with Rasner and I’d rather keep Rasner than Sir Sid.
“what’s the source for both Girardi’s and Cashman’s affection for Farnsworth? He seemed like especially a pain in the ass to a manager. He was obsessed with having a power fastball yet somehow couldn’t go more than one inning, on consecutive days, or enter in mid-inning.”
This is where you’re thinking like a fan. You’re assuming that Brian Cashman agrees with your thinking. I tend to think not, especially not with how Farnsworth has been used this year.
“Oh, I disagree here. With Ramirez gone, Ortiz gets walked more to get to Drew or Lowell, who simply aren’t as dangerous as Ramirez.”
True, which is why I’d be a lot more comfortable. But Drew and Lowell still give them an excellent shot at at least the wildcard.
Since I regard myself as somewhat awake - I always enjoy when people make an impressive point that should have occured to me at first blush:
“On top of it, Pudge will most likely be a Type A Free Agent at the end of the year. Meaning, 2 draft picks when he leaves in the off-season. The real plus of the deal, especially considering the fact if Detroit keeps losing, that could be a Top 10 pick.”
With all due respect to the Red Wings - ERRRR Tigers - I feel very good about picking up their 2 picks!.
SJ with a great insight again ! Thank you sir!
Cashman scores again! This is like a stoner’s trade. Whoever thought this one up was definitely one with the bong. Weird trade and I love it. Pudge brings more than his bat and and defense. This guy has got cajones grandes. A true gamer. A Marine. Yanks can spare the bullpen arm anyway. Molina wasn’t going to get any stronger.
“A week ago if you told me that Damaso Marte would be throwing to Pudge Rodriguez, I would have laughed at you.”
I’d at least have wondered which team’s logo I’d be wearing if I picked up an Ian Kennedy jersey.
i wouldnt be surprised if Cash made a deal for a big time pitcher. it would be a perfect fit, with a revamped lineup and benchplayers, if we got a stud pitcher.. you have to feel good.
I am under no delusions that they wont have to give up alot, but Kennedy, Marquez/Horne, Betanice, Brackman, etc. should be able to get you something close to a stud (note: i still think hughes and melancon should stay put).
The innings are not really the way to evaluate Melancon’s workload.
He has worked 3 innings or more 12 times this year. In 10 of those 12 outings, he threw less than 25 pitches per outing.
He hasn’t thrown a lot of pitches, which is why he they have been able to build up his innings.
He’s fine physically and could help them if they decided to call him up at some point this season.
I have to think the Yankees must have some thoughts that Posada’s arm will never be catcher-ready ever again…I could be wrong.
redsox closing on a deal with the marlins
NICE!
Dan -
“1) Mark Melancon has already thrown 75.1 innings this year… to put that into perspective, that is just under 30 more than the highest in the Yankees pen (Rivera, 47.1)”
Do you think that the Yankees are unaware of this? What is your point?
Marquez/Horne have little, if any value right now.
Razzy and Ponson against the angels is grounds enough to get another starter.
I have to think the Yankees must have some thoughts that Posada’s arm will never be catcher-ready ever again…I could be wrong.
I think so. Pudge is a 2 month rental.
“redsox closing on a deal with the marlins
NICE!”
‘On the verge?’ If this happens and the Rays are as inactive as it appears they will be, you can pencil us in for the division title.
Poor Jorge. Talk about adding insult to injury.
On the day that he has surgery, he gets replaced!
“This trade probably hurts the Tiggers by subtraction at catcher more than it helps them in the bullpen.”
“Farnsworth should help the Tigers ‘pen, which is in need of help, but the downgrade from Pudge to Inge is also going to be felt over there.”
Pudge is a whiner, and Brandon Inge can do basically anything. I mean, Pudge hasn’t been producing on offense for years, and last year his defense also took a (very) noticeable decline from previous seasons.
Inge on the other hand, is a mediocre batter (he’s had his moments though) but he’s a great athlete and a pretty good catcher. He’s been catching a bit this season and has done a great job.
Essentially, Tigers fans consider this a wash…and we’ve had Farnsworth once before already, and he did fine in Detroit…once he got to NY and got jeered for stupid reasons he started sucking.
So basically…Yanks fans (like normal) have no idea what you’re talking about…this isn’t really as much of a “steal” as you probably think.
Good luck with Pudge’s knees.
I cant believe that the Marlins would give up one of there young outfielders for 2 months of Manny. Makes absolutely no sense. There no name pitchers are holding on by a hair. Then Manny will be screaming an crying his head off when the team is no longer in the playoff hunt.
The Marlins trading Hanley Ramirez, one of the best young shortstops in the majors, with a few more of their top prospects, for a 37 year old “Have Bat Will Travel” rental?
I don’t believe it! The Marlins are smarter than that.
so melancon could be ‘considered’ at about 55 innings?
The Marlins, are in no way, trading Hanley Ramirez back to the BoSox, or to anyone for that matter.
“‘On the verge?’ If this happens and the Rays are as inactive as it appears they will be, you can pencil us in for the division title.”
Yup!
Did Manny sign off on his no trade? That was due today @ 4 pm.
“So basically…Yanks fans (like normal) have no idea what you’re talking about…this isn’t really as much of a “steal” as you probably think.”
My goodness, do you sound bitter! Your beloved manager has emphatically stated that reports of I-Rod’s poor team ethic are grossly exaggerated. Leyland -loves- the guy!
Good luck with Farnsy’s straight 98 mph fastball!
Seemingly, Melancon doesn’t have a hard innings cap.
If that is true, give him a few AAA appearances then bring him up.
The Marlins aren’t trading Hanley Ramirez.
“IF” Matsui were to come back could we possibly do this? Not Necessarily in this particular order.
1.Damon LF
2.Jeter SS
3.Abreu RF
4.Rodriguez 3B
5.Matsui DH
6.Giambi 1B
7.Nady CF
8.Rodriguez C
9.Cano 2B
“Pudge hasn’t been producing on offense for years, ”
Pudge has been 15 runs better than a replacement level catcher so far this year. He’s got the second highest OPS of any catcher in the AL this year.
Molina has been almost 9 runs worse than a replacement level catcher so far this year..
They’ll take that net pick up of 24 runs for Farnsworth any day.
And the yankees are going to offer pudge arbitration and get 2 high picks for him - a risk that Dombrowski was not willing to take.
“Poor Jorge. Talk about adding insult to injury.
On the day that he has surgery, he gets replaced!”
This is a little sentimental - he was replaced the day he went on the DL - I hope he didn’t cry.
He should be happy that the Yanks valued him enough to put a HOF player in his slot while he is going to be gone.
unless of course I am misinterpreting you - in which case I apologize.
I really think it is Boston putting all of these rumors out there hoping that someone will offer then a great group of prospects..but I dont see it. Manny is in Bostons lineup so nothing is close. Also the Marlins players are in Floridas lineup. I really dont think that Boston has the guts to trade him.
“The Marlins trading Hanley Ramirez, one of the best young shortstops in the majors, with a few more of their top prospects, for a 37 year old “Have Bat Will Travel” rental?”
No way marlins are only trading away willingham or hermida
SJ and TKinDC,
Isn’t the two draft picks contingent on his not accepting arbitration?
Mel-Supposedly Manny did sign the paperwork to waive his NTC
meml manny signed paperwork today and its willingham or hermida
“The Marlins aren’t trading Hanley Ramirez.”
That’s why I said I didn’t believe it, SJ44. So, with that spurious rumor set aside, what exactly are the offers the Marlins have put on the table for Manny, i.e., if such discussions are actually going on?
“Maybe you didn’t watch last season unfold but the pitchers who made the biggest impact on the Yanks last season were all kids - Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy.
Even Clemens was a major disappointment for a guy who wasn’t expected to be any better than a middle of the rotation starter.
We know what Washburn is - a back of the rotation starter who has overachieved the last 6 weeks.
I’ll take my chances with the kids. That strategy worked pretty well in 2005 (Cano and Wang), 2006 (Melky), and 2007.”
Your only argument could be Joba last year but that was a relief role. You have no argument with Kennedy or Hughes last year. Kennedy only started 3 games!! and Hughes was good for 13 games. Biggest impact?!?!?
Lets forget about Wang or even Pettitte (especially the second half) as far as pitching goes.
The strategy has always been to win. If there was someone down there ready, you think Ponson or Rasner would be here? It’s time to wake up.
CB is right (comme toujours!)
As any moron with a computer can see - he OPS+ is better now than the last three years.
His assists are down - shocker - but his rep is HUGE! and we already have a strong armed catcher.
According to KFFL:
Jul 30 Dan Graziano, of The Star-Ledger, reports the New York Yankees have been receiving interest from other teams regarding SP Carl Pavano (elbow). Other clubs have asked to see medical information on Pavano. One of the team’s speculated to have interest in Pavano has been the New York Mets.
Really?!?!?
The redsox are asking the marlins for hermida or willingham and a minor leaguer but the marlins wants boston to pay the 7mil left on manny this year
Willingham is already 29, close to 30. I would have to think Hermida is the one…and frankly, the Marlins are morons.
That trade for the marlins makes soo much sense. Bringing in manny proves to the city of miami that they want to win and helps the stadium deal. Its great for putting fans fanny’s in the seats. Marketing will increase tenfold. And best of all Manny lives 6 miles from the stadium and would be presumably playing in front of his family and friends each night and that would give him more incentive to not be manny being manny.
“Isn’t the two draft picks contingent on his not accepting arbitration?”
Scott Boras is his agent. He’ll want a Posada-like contract. And as CB has pointed out, he’d be a backup to Posada next year. He most likely won’t accept. But a Posada-Pudge combo wouldn’t be the end of the world if he did.
Yeah, that does seem a bit fishy to me (the whole team ethic thing), I knew he hated Trammel. I DO know that, as of now, Pudge isn’t really a great player anymore. I, personally, am somewhat happy with this trade. My only problem is that the media keeps saying “this trade is so good for the Yanks, it puts them back in the race” but curiously don’t seem to want to talk about how it effects the Tigers…who are still very much in the race. It’s annoying.
if the rumors are true this is highway robbery for the marlins..
i doubt bos is that dumb
manny makes a couple million more than a. jones, t. hunter, ichiro, v. wells… that puts it in perspective how valuable he is
no one could fill that hole if he left
Confucius,
Good point.
“Other clubs have asked to see medical information on Pavano. One of the team’s speculated to have interest in Pavano has been the New York Mets.”
Everyone needs a good laugh now and then!
Just ask the Joker (shivers)
If the Marlins trade Manny, they are nuts. Jeremy Hermida and Josh Willingham have struggled with the bat recently. Willingham hasn’t hit for 6 weeks. Hernida has chronic hamstring problems.
As far as pitching prospects are concerned, the best of the Marlins crop is Chris Volstad and Sean West (who is in A ball). If they don’t get either guy in a deal, their other pitching prospects aren’t that good.
I just can’t see the Red Sox dealing him, no matter how pi$$ed they are at him. You will never get fair market value for him and he leaves a huge hole in the lineup.
Will be interested if the Red Sox are serious this time or are just putting on a show for Manny. They could tell him, “we tried but nobody wanted you. Just play hard for us the rest of the way” after the deadline.
Manny is in the starting lineup, so no deal is done yet unless he gets pulled form the game.
just wanted to clear up a question, i know its already been addressed - since pudge will be an unrestricted FA (correct?), do we in fact get the draft picks for him if he walks? and if he is an unrestricted FA, can we actually offer him arbitration? i’m a bit rusty on the arby rules. thanks.
Clarification regarding compensation picks: If the team’s 1st round pick is in the upper half (top 15), they keep that. Instead, they lose their 2nd round pick. So the net picks for the team receiving compensation would be a ‘Special Draft Choice’ (which is the sammich pick created from thin air for this purpose) and the 2nd rounder. If not in the upper half, then yea, 1st rounder and the sammich pick.
Oh, here’s something that’s usually not mentioned when discussing sammich picks. According to the CBA (page 73-74), Special Draft Choices from Type A free agents go before those from Type B free agents…
boston thinks that manny is mailing in this year hes not playing hard and is a cancer in the club house
“My only problem is that the media keeps saying “this trade is so good for the Yanks, it puts them back in the race” but curiously don’t seem to want to talk about how it effects the Tigers…who are still very much in the race. It’s annoying.”
There isn’t a person on this blog who won’t welcome Farnsworth on the mound in the postseason. You can say it’s New York being too demanding, but he’s had huge blowups in Atlanta and Chicago. His troubles certainly did not begin here. He’s had a good run in the last few months, but he still made all of us (well, except Trisha) nervous in any tight game.
Pudge’s knees only really have to last to the end of this year. He’s played about 3/4 of the games so far and Molina’s a solid defensive backup C for the rest of the time.
Is it an idea trade for the perfect player for both sides? No, but it gives both sides a little improvement in one area while they’re still doing OK in the other.
Is there a Boston trade w/Florida in the works? Hanley for Manny? That’ll help Boston a little at SS. Hanley’s fielding pct is about 10pts less than Jeter’s but it’s virtually the same as Julio Lugo’s. Because Hanley can hit well, he’s an upgrade at SS from Lugo. He’s not quite Manny at the plate but he’s young and he comes inexpensive for them. How it pans out for them depends on what they do to fill the hole in LF.
blargh - these picks are surrendered for any FA?
Michelle makes a good point. I live in South Florida and I will tell you, if the Marlins got Manny, it would be HUGE news down here. It also could be the type of deal that helps the Marlins win the division.
You know if Manny ever got traded, he’s going to play his butt off to prove he’s worthy of a new, big money deal.
It also would advance the Marlins quest for getting their new stadium deal done sooner rather than later. Especially if they win the division this year.
“Dan Graziano, of The Star-Ledger, reports the New York Yankees have been receiving interest from other teams regarding SP Carl Pavano (elbow).”
No idea if this is true but it tells you how desperate teams are for pitching.
The yankees don’t have the best farm system in baseball. The red sox system is considerably better than the yankees. So is the rays.
But the yankees may have the most useful/ valuable system because it completely suits there needs. And it has the most valuable commodity in baseball to trade - pitching.
Compare how the sox are trying t scramble for bull pen help and unable to get it with what the yankees have done getting Marte.
Ohlendorf, McCutchen, and Karstens aren’t elite prospects in any way but they’re better than the pitching the sox had to trade - these were surplus guys for the yankees. Not so for most other teams.
That trade then set up the Pudge trade.
Let’s see if this forces Tampa into overpaying for Jason Bay.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=965
Manny looks headed to Miami
Multipe baseball sources say the Red Sox are on the verge of sending disgrunted left fielder Manny Ramirez to the Marlins in a trade for a package of three players that included low Class A Greensboro outfielder Mike Stanton, an 18-year-old who is hitting .275/.351/.569 with 26 home runs in 96 games.
hanley’s not going anywhere. florida wouldn’t trade hanley for manny straight up. that’d be nuts.
Manny to ESPNDeportes “The Red Sox don’t deserve a player like me”
I think the Sox will make this trade, they might as well get something in return because if they pick up his option he will go buck and prob wont play. So hes gone after this season anyway. Does anyone here tink Nady can play CF if matsui comes back?
“When a player with six or more years of major league service files for free agency, his club has the option of offering arbitration. The club must offer arbitration in order to receive compensation in the form of draft picks if the player signs with another organization.
If the player accepts arbitration, he is no longer considered a free agent and he becomes bound to that club. If a player refuses arbitration, as most players do, he is a free agent who can sign with any organization, including the one for which he played last year.”
The Marlins aren’t trading Hanley Ramirez for Manny Ramirez. Zero chance of that happening.
Hanley isn’t going anywhere.
“since pudge will be an unrestricted FA (correct?), do we in fact get the draft picks for him if he walks? and if he is an unrestricted FA, can we actually offer him arbitration? i’m a bit rusty on the arby rules. thanks.”
We have to offer him arbitration (and he, obviously, has to decline) to get the picks … unless he signs before December, but Boras will shop him around the whole offseason, so that won’t happen.
IRod meet ARod… Arod meet IRod…
Who knows how Elias determines it, but Type A’s are FA’s in the top 20% of their position and Type B’s are in the next 20%
And of course, there’s the provision of offering arbitration to them.
…OR, if they sign before a certain date, but that doesn’t seem to happen.
thanks sj, i used to live in pembroke pines, i was just talking to my parents who still live there and they both agreed that manny would make a huge impact on the florida “fans” and the media.
“Manny to ESPNDeportes “The Red Sox don’t deserve a player like me””
If Manny ends up on the Marlins, I will begin rooting for him so hard.
The person who brought up pitchers not being happy cause Pudge calls a selfish game. I have no idea if that is true or not. If it were me I would keep Molina for sure with Moose as well as Joba that gives him 2 starts a week and gives Pudge 2 days off a week which I think in the long term will help both of them out.
JOba has been very much praising the work that Jose has done with him in calling the game recently and you cant argue based on the results.
Interesting stuff on Manny in the clubhouse 2 hours ago…
http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/will_manny_go_home.html
thanks to jeter2007 and confucius. that clears it up for me.
“f the Marlins (you mean the Red Sox) trade Manny, they are nuts. Jeremy Hermida and Josh Willingham have struggled with the bat recently. Willingham hasn’t hit for 6 weeks. Hernida has chronic hamstring problems.”
I disagree SJ44. I coach basketball and football and the last thing I need is headaches from one of my players playing the prima dona role. Teams win championships, not individuals.
The 97 Indians had better talent than the Marlins and lost the WS, the 96 Braves had more talent than the Yankees and lost the WS, the 03 Yankees had more talent than the Marlins and lost the WS.
Hermedia and Willingham cannot make up for Manny’s bat, that’s for sure, but what they make up for in defense, speed, and overall team play will make the Sox better IMO.
Now time to find a starter
Did anyone see Ramirez’s two DP’s this week…apparently clocked at 6 seconds and 5.5 seconds “running” down to first? I haven’t seen them, but I saw Peter Gammons talking about it and he was PIIISSSSSED
“At around 5:30, the following blurb appeared on the ESPN crawl: “Red Sox engaged in serious conversation to trade Manny Ramirez to the Marlins.” At literally that exact time, Ramirez walked past that television with a plate of food in his hand, but didn’t see it.
About 20 minutes later, Ramirez, obviously aware, or made aware by teammates, said with light-hearted enthusiasm, “Oh yeah, Marlins. Tax free. Stay at home.” Then he gave Hideki Okajima’s interpreter — Jeff Yamaguchi — a mock hug good-bye. Yamaguchi simply smiled and shook his head.”
We are on the verge of enjoying the best trade deadline ever.
as for this trade with the yanks and the tigers…i’ll just be happy to see farnsy give up the game winning/tying run for some other team. He made me so nervous every time he came in to a game.
As for pudge, if zaun can resurrect his career with the jays, why cant pudge do it here…. at least for two months.
You would expect that Ortiz by now would have stepped up on his friend Manny’s behalf and try to resolve things but even he sees it as a lost cause.
A lot has been said that once the Ortiz-Ramirez duo was broken up it would take the real threat out of the lineup.
Let’s see what develops.
manny’s in the lineup tonight. it’s not likely to happen until later tonight, if at all.
Red Sox would be in a 3 way trade w. them accepting Bay.
My guess is that even Ortiz can’t smooth this over. The BoSox management is fed up.
Now rumored to be a possible 3-way deal in the works involving Pittsburgh that would send Bay to Boston.
I follow the Marlins pretty closely. If Ryan Tucker is one of the arms in the deal, he’s a decent arm. Sort of like their Ian Kennedy. Back end of the rotation guy.
Sean West is their Hughes, even though he is in A ball. He’s a stud.
As of yesterday, the Marlins declared him “off limits” in any deal. Who knows if that’s changed.
Chris Volstad is the Marlins Joba. Very talented kid, two years out of HS, and he is already in the majors. I’d hate to see the Red Sox get him.
I know the Red Sox have always liked Willingham. He has hit under .200 for the last two months and has had back problems all season. If healthy, he can hit. Question is his health.
Hermida is very talented but, is also hurt a lot. LH bat, I don’t really see how he fits into the picture except that he’s young.
Its fascinating to see if the Red Sox have the cajones to pull off this deal.
I talked to somebody well connected in MLB earlier. After lamenting about the Yankees getting Pudge (”How the hell did Cash pull that off”?, was his quote to me), he said that he heard the Red Sox clubhouse is now, “24 vs 1″. He said any good will Manny had in the clubhouse is gone.
If that’s the case, perhaps that’s why the Red Sox are so willing to move him.
Even so, its still a BIG deal if they trade Manny Ramirez.
A source told MLB.com that a three-way trade may be in the works.
Under this scenario, Ramirez would go to the Marlins, while Jeremy Hermida would go to the Pirates, and Jason Bay would go to the Red Sox.
“OK, I’m hearing and reading the same thing you guys are on Manny and the Marlins. All I can tell you, gentle readers, is that it flies in the face of everything I’ve been told in the last hour-plus. Anything is possible, but I can’t see it.”
from boston.com
The problem is starter pitchor right now.
Melancon’s season (time at Tampa and Trenton)#’s: 32 app, 75 ip, 58 h, 23 r, 18 er, 5 hr, 18 bb, 2.16 bb/9, 67 K, 8.04 K/9, 1.01 WHIP
Strickland (all SWB): 38 app, 53.1 ip, 36 h, 13 r, 13 er, 17 bb, 2.88 bb/9, 60 K, 10.2 k/9, 1.00 WHIP
Essentially the same pitchers statistically against different levels of competition.
Yes, we get Pudge! The Marlins are reportedly very close to getting Manny! Depending on who the Red Sox get, I think Stanton, Willingham and someone else, their not getting into October. The Rays/Pirates talks about Bay have reportedly stalled. I dont think we need to make another trade. We could do without Washed-up burn. The only other trade I see us making is sending Hawkins to the Twins for a low level prospect. I have a feeling we will be seeing Ian Patrick Kennedy in the Bronx very soon, if Ponson blows again, Kennedy will be up. I didnt think it was possible to make all these big trades without dealing Hughes or Kennedy, A-Jax and Melky, but we did, and I am VERY happy,
Thanks for being Manny, Manny!!
Gammons is ticked lol, he is biting his lips and stuttering just like he did after Arod opted out during the Sox WS.
If the Red Sox get Jason Bay, they will be stronger.
Jason Bay is not Manny Ramirez…make the deal.
cant pay for better entertainment than steve phillips and gammons fighting on live tv.
No, damnit. PULL OUT OF THE DEAL, PIRATES! AGH!
Neither Willingham nor Hermida can run. I don’t care how much of a pain Manny is, neither guy comes close to his talent.
Take Manny off the Red Sox, they have ZERO rings.
He’s not my kind of player but, he’s a great hitter. The kind of hitter that wins rings. Hermida, Willingham and Bay are not guys that will make anybody shiver in the AL.
Manny isn’t doing anything he hasn’t done before. He just wasn’t in the final year of his contract when he was doing this stuff in the past.
Jason Bay? He ain’t Manny. Big, big shoes to fill.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Gammons and Steve getting feisty at eachother lol this is awesome
Gammons thinks that the Manny-to-Florida trade is most likely going to happen. Now Steve Philips and Gammons are going at it. Gammon’s looks very anguished. As a Yankee fan, you want this to happen more then anybody. Ortiz without Manny (as a Yankee killer) would be a blessing for us. Pudge trade looks awesome! Now gotta get Washburn.
“If the Red Sox get Jason Bay, they will be stronger.”
No. Jason Bay is not -that- good. Not by a long shot.
Manny is a walk-in, no questions asked Hall of Famer. Better hitters than Bay don’t make up for Manny Ramirez.
“Gammons is ticked lol, he is biting his lips and stuttering just like he did after Arod opted out during the Sox WS.”
Anytime that Red Sox apologist is upset about something the Sox are doing, I’m a happy man.
So does Marte take over the 8th?
Is there an ‘open competition’?
What would Farve do?
Does Pudge know he can’t wear #7
I need some popcorn. This “Manny-will he or won’t he be traded” stuff is fun to watch