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Cashman talks about the trade

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Podcast on Jul 30, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here is an internet exclusive for you. Brian Cashman discussing the trade, the entire 15-minute press conference:

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A few points I found interesting:

* He was NOT looking for catching until Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski called today and proposed this trade.

* The Yankees are very much in “go for it” mode. You have to figure Jarrod Washburn is next. Or something else.

* C-Money clearly has a soft spot for Farnsworth.

* Hank and Hal have their pop’s love of spending money. That’s for sure. They have added $4.78 million to the payroll since Friday. Cashman said there is a limit. But who knows where that line is drawn?

UPDATE, 6:26 p.m.: “It’s going to be very exciting,” Rodriguez told reporters in Cleveland. “They are in the race and I’m ready to do my job.”

Rodriguez waived the no-trade clause in his deal without demanding compensation.

“Pudge has always wanted to play in New York,” agent Scott Boras told the Associated Press.

Rodriguez is scheduled to arrive in time to be on the roster for tomorrow’s game against the Los Angeles Angels.

 
 

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388 Responses to “Cashman talks about the trade”

  1. DV July 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Bring on AT LEAST Washburn and possibly another starting pitcher ! ( YES…I am greedy ! )

  2. Ant928 July 30th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    Life is getting interesting! Keep your fingers crossed for Cash to pull something else out of his hat.

    I don’t buy the “I was looking until the Detroit GM’s call” line though…Cash has pulled enough magic that leaves us saying “WTF?”

  3. Corey July 30th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    this trade is excellent….and when posada comes back we can always use pudge as a trade chip. How many teams need a catcher? I’d say about 25

  4. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 30th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Telling Cashman that there’s a spending limit with that kind of money is like telling…well I can’t think of an analogy

  5. Jeff NJ July 30th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Does he mention who is coming up? I’m guessing Bruney.

  6. raymagnetic â„¢ July 30th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    Did Cashman sneak into Dombroski’s bedroom last night while playing a tape which subliminally said “Trade Pudge to the Yankees for Kyle Farsworth”?

  7. Phil July 30th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    They’ve kept a lot of powder dry. I’m expecting a better starter than Washburn now.

  8. JRVJ July 30th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    $4.78MM is less than 2.5% of the Yanks 2008 payroll.

    It sounds like a lo, but it really isn’t….

  9. Mark (Brett back to SWB) July 30th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    I’m sure this has been asked, but I just got in from work. What is Pudge’s contract situation.

  10. Rishi July 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    he is a svengali out there

  11. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    raymagnetic: I can’t think of any other reason.

  12. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    “What is Pudge’s contract situation.”

    Pudge is a FA at the end of the season.

  13. Anthony July 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Bruney will definitely be coming up. If he stumbles badly, Cox or Melancon could be next.

    Pudge is a free agent after this year, there is no blocking of Posada.

  14. E-Man July 30th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Forget Washburn.. How about going after Liriano? Lets see another insane trade Cashman.

  15. pat July 30th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Buster Olney saying rumor of Manny to the Marlins is heating up for 3 prospects- one of which will be Jeremy Hermida or Josh Willingham.

  16. benfica356 July 30th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Mark: FA at end of Yr

  17. John H. July 30th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Anyone know if the Yankees are done for trades now?

  18. S.o.S.27 July 30th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Can we change his name to Stealthman. Everytime he says nothing is going on in the trade market. Bamm!! He picks someone elses pockets.

  19. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Manny going to florida will be the best thing that could happen to us in this pennant race.

  20. Anthony July 30th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    I guess Detroit really thinks Farns can be a closer for them. Unbelievable that they’d make this trade with a team they are competing against for the wild card.

  21. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 30th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    What I don’t like about the trade is that if we end up getting into a throw down with BOS (which I think is coming), we won’t have Farnsy in there to kick some serious butt.

  22. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    “Did Cashman sneak into Dombroski’s bedroom last night while playing a tape which subliminally said “Trade Pudge to the Yankees for Kyle Farsworth”?”

    Like a lot of teams, Detroit’s always loved Farnsworth’s 99mph heat. And like a lot of teams, they’ve been willing to risk the ‘but’ that goes with it. They also need major help in their bullpen. This all applied to us when we originally signed him.

  23. bigjf July 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Considering the amount scheduled to come off the payroll at the end of this and next season, I wouldn’t be too concerned with the money spending.

  24. Mark (Brett back to SWB) July 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Thanks guys I appreciate it. I knew I would get an answer quick. Your all the best when it comes to getting the info.

  25. Joe from Long Island July 30th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Who knows if Cash is done? As he’s said in the past, it only takes one phone call. Look at what Pete wrote above – Dave Dombrowski called today, and viola.

  26. S.o.S.27 July 30th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Cashman has one more bullett in his holster. Lets see what we can get for C.J. this time around.

  27. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 30th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    “Unbelievable that they’d make this trade with a team they are competing against for the wild card.”

    Tells you how desperate they are. Their bullpen must be a train wreck with injuries. Didn’t Zumaya just go down again? Rodney doesn’t seem to be effective. They need Farnsy. He’s better than nothing.

  28. S.o.S.27 July 30th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Is it possible to trade Molina in the offseason and have Posada and Pudge rotating from dh to catcher?

  29. John H. July 30th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    You’re right, Joe. There can be speculation but anything can happen. Thanks

  30. mel (47-1) July 30th, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    I can not believe this trade took only hours to come together. Also, they wanted to fortify their bullpen. Why get a FA? Why only one reliever? Cashman’s victims continue to pile up. Un-freaking-believable.

    $5M is a drop in the bucket, Pete. Pennies.

  31. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Meanwhile, the Marte-deprived Sox are inquiring about Arthur Rhodes.

    Please, please let that and Manny to Florida happen! Would make this trade deadline almost illegally good for us.

  32. Jorge Tabata July 30th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Does Pudge call a good game?

  33. Jose July 30th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    that is an interesting idea S.o.S.27

  34. E-Man July 30th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Does Pudge call a good game?

    Really?

  35. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 30th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    “Is it possible to trade Molina in the offseason and have Posada and Pudge rotating from dh to catcher?”

    That would be a mistake since Molina is a better defensive catcher than the both of them.

  36. CaptainsCorner July 30th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Cashman PLEASE trade for a starting pitcher!! I will be really pissed if they don’t get a pitcher. Marte and Pudge is a luxury and he hasn’t gotten the 1 thing that they really need. I wish they could keep Pudge next year instead of Posada and his awful contract.

    Also Cashman has to learn that part of being a GM is trading players. He was upset that they trade a disaster in Farns. and yesterday he said that he is really upset about trading Tabata. Get over it!! That is `1 of the reasons that the Santana trade wasn’t made Cashman is too much of a softy in losing these players. Even girardi was crying’?!?!!

  37. kill.schill(ing) July 30th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    HOLY EXCREMENT!

    I still don’t know i feel about this trade however.

    As long as the Yankees are convinced either Bruney or Melancon can fill Marte’s role and/or Marte can fill Farnsworth’s role, I guess it’s a good deal.

    I still think I’m too shocked to appraise it however.

    Pudge is a better hitter than Moeller/Molina, that’s for sure. My only concern is how he handles the Yankees starters. Molina and Mussina worked superbly together, as did Joba and Molina, same with Moeller and Rasner.

    I like this trade more if Matsui returns and replaces Moeller’s roster spot and/or the Yankees acquire a pitcher who displaces Rasner from the rotation and renders Moeller superfluous. (Although I still prefer Rasner to Ponson as the fifth starter.)

    This Manny stuff is unbelievable. BTW, I know Manny is Great but I think I’d prefer a disgruntled Manny right now in Boston than Jason Bay.

  38. mel (47-1) July 30th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    SoS,

    Jose’s not going anywhere. He’s way too valuable.

  39. John H. July 30th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    What should we do with Moeller?

  40. bigjf July 30th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    “Does Pudge call a good game?”

    Yes.

  41. jay destro July 30th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    can we please get another pitcher?

  42. Guiseppe Franco July 30th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    I don’t want Washburn. He can stay in Seattle.

    The Yanks should find an alternative option within the system.

  43. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 30th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    I may be wrong, but when C-Money’s phone rang, the ringtone sounded like that song “The Final Countdown”. That’s just sad. LOL!

  44. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    “This Manny stuff is unbelievable. BTW, I know Manny is Great but I think I’d prefer a disgruntled Manny right now in Boston than Jason Bay.”

    Sounds nice from an off-the-field perspective, but when the players are on the field and you’re looking at either Manny or Jason Bay at the plate against one of our pitchers, you can’t hesitate for .2 seconds about which one you’d rather see.

    “Marte and Pudge is a luxury”

    Lefty in the pen was a need. Everyday catcher was a need when Posada got hurt. And outfielder was a need when we lost Matsui. We’ve lost starters to injury, but we also have good minor leaguers close to callup.

  45. RhapsodyInBlue July 30th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    “What should we do with Moeller?”

    Drive him to the airport.

  46. E-Man July 30th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    I don’t want Washburn. He can stay in Seattle.

    The Yanks should find an alternative option within the system.

    Like Kennedy? No thanks. We played that game already this year. It’s time to try and win another Championship.

  47. flash July 30th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    if cashman if pulling this off then he should try to steal peavy from the padres

  48. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 30th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    “Also Cashman has to learn that part of being a GM is trading players. He was upset that they trade a disaster in Farns. and yesterday he said that he is really upset about trading Tabata. Get over it!! That is `1 of the reasons that the Santana trade wasn’t made Cashman is too much of a softy in losing these players. Even girardi was crying’?!?!!”

    Yeah, this is business, but these guys are human. It’s a job, but they still consider themselves family. To ask them not to feel something about trading a family member is a bit heartless and cold. I’m glad to know that behind all the talk and the cash, there are real human beings making decisions.

  49. S.o.S.27 July 30th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    ““What should we do with Moeller?”

    Drive him to the airport.”

    Man that is messed up. At least give him an autographed ball signed by the whole team including Pudge.

  50. Redding July 30th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Typical Steve Phillips.

    “Interesting trade. They are not getting HOF pudge, they are getting a catcher who wore out his welcome in Detroit and will struggle to learn a new pitching staff. Molina was great at calling games and worked well with the pitchers, Pudge obviously has slightly better offense but that’s it. Interesting trade”

  51. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    “Does Pudge call a good game?”

    He has taken some criticism for inattentive calls with runners on base. But he’s been likened to Varitek as far as being a good influence on young pitchers. The Marlins gave him a ton of credit for his work with the young staff there in ’03.

  52. BJK July 30th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    “This Manny stuff is unbelievable. BTW, I know Manny is Great but I think I’d prefer a disgruntled Manny right now in Boston than Jason Bay.”

    Did you see what disgruntled Manny did to us on Sunday? No thanks.

    I will drive Bay to Boston myself if it helps ship Manny to the National League.

  53. pat July 30th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    Finally the Yanks are getting a full night of rest while the team they will be playing are the ones flying in at all hours of the morning.

    Is it wrong to hope for a rain delay plus extras in Fenway tonight?

  54. Global Warming July 30th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    Melancon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  55. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    “if cashman if pulling this off then he should try to steal peavy from the padres”

    Maddux maybe …

  56. ASNKY July 30th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    This trade probably hurts the Tiggers by subtraction at catcher more than it helps them in the bullpen.

    Considering Nady & Pudge, it helps the Yanks offense almost replace what it’s been missing from the injuries to Posada & Matsui. And it keeps Damon’s arm out of the outfield.

    Marte probably balances out Farnswarth even though the Farnsworth that was just traded has been doing pretty good lately. But Marte more than balances out losing the Farnsworth that struggled for so long.

    Soon we’ll see which Farnsworth Detroit actually got, and that’ll tell us what NY gave up.

    Hopefully he throws a high tight one to Youkilis when Detriot plays Boston, and he still gets a chance to body slam Youkilis.

  57. MJR (Shut Up Steve Phillips) July 30th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Good move this season and Posada-IROD platoon for next year (catcher/1st/DH) sounds even better.

  58. 714YF July 30th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Laura – i heard it, too.. but def not final countdown, THAT was the NFL on Fox theme song!
    Pete, we need a little more info on this..

  59. RhapsodyInBlue July 30th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    From Chad Jenning’s SWB Blog:

    Also, in the comments someone asked about an innings cap on Melancon. My feeling is that there is no cap in place considering Chaves specifically told me that he has the green light to use him three or four innings at a time. If the Yankees were looking to limit Melancon’s innings, they would surely hold him to one or two innings at a time.

  60. jimmy27 July 30th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Gammons said Pudge would not go to the pitchers meetings in detroit and did not get along with some pitchers at all. He had major problems with beckett.
    So I’m sure some would say that Pudge does not call a good game.
    Just sayin’

  61. CaptainsCorner July 30th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    I can’t believe that Bora$$ is Pudge’s agent and he didnt make either team include money in the deal for him to waive his no trade. It just goes to show that Pudge is willing to come and try to win and doesnt care about the couplf of dollars and Washhburn is still on a last place team and wants money to waive his..What an idiot..

    Also if this Manny trade idea is true can someone please tell me why the Marlins would be trading for Manny and his $10m salary??!! it doesnt make alot of sense.

  62. BigV July 30th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    TRADED FARNSWORTH TRADED FARNSWORTH TRADED FARNSWORTH
    TRADED FARNSWORTH TRADED FARNSWORTH TRADED FARNSWORTH
    TRADED FARNSWORTH TRADED FARNSWORTH TRADED FARNSWORTH
    TRADED FARNSWORTH TRADED FARNSWORTH TRADED FARNSWORTH

    ~~~~~~I CAN”T BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED FINALLY~~~~~~~

    What’s my new ending statement?

    BRING UP MELANCON

  63. John H. July 30th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Cashman’s ringtone sounded like NFL on FO*

  64. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    “He had major problems with beckett.”

    Considering what an arrogant p%@ck Beckett was in Florida, this is to be expected. He had problems with Varitek at first.

    Gammons, being a tool, would not give you that side of things.

  65. Joe from Long Island July 30th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    I just saw the clip of Kyle in the clubhouse after the game and trade was announced…He was clearly crying.

    It’s easy to think of these guys as Nintendo figures, and forget they’re flesh and blood. I have been guilty of this, myself. And then you see something like this.

    Kyle, for all his warts, gave it his all. Unfortunately, for him and us, all too often it wasn’t enough. He drove us crazy. But he tried, and for whatever reason (end of contract, who knows what…) he got it together the last couple of months. And now he’s gone, the relationships he forged in the clubhouse gone.

    Bobby Murcer once said that the Yankees were like no other organization – and he meant that in a good way. And Kyle has lost that.

    I am clearly looking forward to Pudge coming over here, and I think it makes the Yanks a much better team. But it takes me back, a bit, to see Kyle there, crying on TV, and realize that these are really flesh and blood guys.

    I wish Kyle the best.

  66. mel (47-1) July 30th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    What’s amazing is that we’ve hardly given up anything we’d miss.

    Tabata, yes, but his stock had dropped some. High expectations leave to door open to disappointment with highly touted prospects.

  67. CaptainsCorner July 30th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    Cashman probably loves the fact that Pudge is a type A free agent. So they get a #1 pick when he leaves next year. Not bad…We know that Cashman loves those picks that probably had a decision in this move also.

  68. Dalers July 30th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    Pete is going to miss Krazy K.

  69. Al from BK July 30th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Its Melancon time bring him up DFA Moeller end of story.

  70. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    This from Jim Leyland during the ’06 postseason:

    “Pudge Rodriguez has been a guy that has done every single thing we’ve asked. When I first took the job, people thought there was going to be some friction, that maybe our personalities wouldn’t work, and I couldn’t figure out why. I mean, you just use common sense and you get along with people. I can tell you this: I have the utmost respect. We’ve had no problems. The one thing I’m proudest about Pudge Rodriguez is he’s not as great a player as he was, but he’s still an outstanding player. So don’t misunderstand what I’m saying. But the thing I like about Pudge Rodriguez the most is that he plays hurt, he plays hard, and he comes to beat the other team. And he’s done every single thing we’ve asked as far as cooperating with our pitchers and our pitchers meeting. He’s been a manager’s dream. We couldn’t ask any more than what this guy has done for us this year. He’s been a real treat.”

  71. real lousy chowdah July 30th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Gammons seen bawling once again in his luxury suite at the Green Sardine Can.
    He can’t stand the sight of seeing Teixeira in the Angels lineup then got the news about I-Rod. A double punch in the gut.

  72. Yankee Jay July 30th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    First of all – Steve Phillips is a total tool.

    On the trade, best case scenario is Pudge comes in and is a difference maker, after all, he’s a hall of famer and is playing for a contract next year.

    Worst case Scenario, Cashman just traded Crazy Kyle for 2 high picks in next years draft. Pretty shrewd move if you ask me.

  73. Al from BK July 30th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Now since he has pulled off 2 heists call up KC and demand Greinke hey its worth a shot right Doris?

  74. S.o.S.27 July 30th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    Good things that have happened this week.

    A. Dfa’d Hawkins
    B. Traded Ohly(Sturtz).(always thought there were better bullpen guys than him)
    C. Got rid of Farns and getting someone in return.(most wanted dfa’d)
    D. Got rid of an outfielder batting under .200 and a catcher batting .220

    If we can fill the 4th and 5th starters holes. This team will be clost to perfect.

  75. Al from BK July 30th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    Gammons and Henry along with all the other NESPN tools must be on suicide watch. Also it was nice to see Nady hit today finally.

  76. cc July 30th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    what’s the source for both Girardi’s and Cashman’s affection for Farnsworth? He seemed like especially a pain in the ass to a manager. He was obsessed with having a power fastball yet somehow couldn’t go more than one inning, on consecutive days, or enter in mid-inning. I can’t believe Cashman wasn’t severely disappointed when he learned all this about him.

  77. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 30th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    That was a nice post, Joe from Long Island. :) Well said.

  78. S.o.S.27 July 30th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Surprise Boras didnt ask for a 3 year extension at 100 mil.

  79. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 30th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Well, if they’re in go for it mode, they better bring something better than Rasner or Ponson to the mound every 5th day.

  80. Paul July 30th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Kyle would be my first choice to accompany me in a strange city…
    And He protected the players at the plate lately…
    and he was doing great on the mound…
    and he took a lot of unwarranted grief from the fans.

    Thank you Kyle. Good luck and God bless.

  81. ANSKY July 30th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Any more word on anything Grienke, or was that bunch of trade rumors all BS?

    Please no trades for Crotchburn.

    Please no trades for Manny either. At least not with our team. Let the Mets, Giants or Dodgers have him.

  82. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 30th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    “I can’t believe Cashman wasn’t severely disappointed when he learned all this about him.”

    Thats because you’re thinking like a fan, and not like a GM.

  83. Chris NY July 30th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    “Is it possible to trade Molina in the offseason and have Posada and Pudge rotating from dh to catcher?”

    Neither of them would be happy about that (Pudge or Jorge).

  84. Redding July 30th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    Cashman is a thief.

    I am expecting that tomorrow at 3:59 PM, he will trade Ponson, Britton, and Juan Miranda for Justin Duchscherer.

  85. Al from BK July 30th, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Mark Melancon line: 6-0 1.81 49.2 IP 32 H 12BB 47K 0.89 WHIP
    Please bring him up already especially if Bruney is pitching erratically and not healthy yet.

  86. S.o.S.27 July 30th, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    “what’s the source for both Girardi’s and Cashman’s affection for Farnsworth? He seemed like especially a pain in the ass to a manager. He was obsessed with having a power fastball yet somehow couldn’t go more than one inning, on consecutive days, or enter in mid-inning. I can’t believe Cashman wasn’t severely disappointed when he learned all this about him.”

    Its called security. He was the only body guard in the stadium. Now they will have to walk each other to their cars at night.

  87. CB July 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    The yankees strategy of the past 3 years of acquiring young pitching is paying off hand over fist right now.

    The yankees have what people want – pitching. Every trade deadline teams scramble to find pitching, especially relief pitching.

    Kyle was kyle. But how many teams in all of baseball could afford to trade their set up guy mid season? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

    You can only do that if you have tremendous depth.

    This trade makes the Marte/ Nady trade even better. Marte will slide in and play a major role in the 8th inning. Without Marte you’d be going with a pen that is almost all rookies. But having Marte makes this trade more feasible.

    The trade demands texas was putting up for a guy like Laird were ridiculous. There was a lot of demand for catching. To be able to get a better player than Laird for only Farnsworth is remarkable.

  88. SJ44 July 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    What isn’t there to like about this trade?

    We all love Molina but, he’s not an everyday catcher. In fact, he will be more effective not catching everyday. Pudge gives them an everyday catcher who can hit. Plus, he will be pretty pumped about coming into a pennant race. He’s always been an excellent clutch player.

    The one area of depth the Yankees have is in the bullpen. They can slot Marte or Veras into the 8th inning, call up Bruney (with Melancon on the come) and fill the bullpen need.

    On top of it, Pudge will most likely be a Type A Free Agent at the end of the year. Meaning, 2 draft picks when he leaves in the off-season. The real plus of the deal, especially considering the fact if Detroit keeps losing, that could be a Top 10 pick.

    Seems to me the Yankee sold Farnsworth at his highest value and got themselves a solid player in return.

    Hard to quibble about that.

  89. Guiseppe Franco July 30th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    Like Kennedy? No thanks. We played that game already this year. It’s time to try and win another Championship.

    Maybe you didn’t watch last season unfold but the pitchers who made the biggest impact on the Yanks last season were all kids – Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy.

    Even Clemens was a major disappointment for a guy who wasn’t expected to be any better than a middle of the rotation starter.

    We know what Washburn is – a back of the rotation starter who has overachieved the last 6 weeks.

    I’ll take my chances with the kids. That strategy worked pretty well in 2005 (Cano and Wang), 2006 (Melky), and 2007.

  90. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 30th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    Ansky,

    I think Greinke would require a large return and I haven’t heard much about the Yanks in it.

    Who is Crotchburn? ha

  91. Al from BK July 30th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    I want Greinke pitching Friday night not the fat aruban drunk get it done Cash!

  92. Y's Guy July 30th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    damn, i just heard about pudge. im psyched, its a great move imo. pudge is a winner. if the offense was consistently putting up runs, this would not have been nessesary but this is a serious upgrade at the plate over molina and he’s still great behind the plate! that leaves melky as the only weak stick in the lineup.
    major props to cash money!

  93. cc July 30th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    ““I can’t believe Cashman wasn’t severely disappointed when he learned all this about him.”

    Thats because you’re thinking like a fan, and not like a GM.”

    Explain. Why would a GM like any of the limitations I named?

  94. PBL July 30th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    how does it work out to a top 10 pick? if someone outside the top 15 signs him we get their pick and a sandwich, if it’s someone in the top 15 it’s two sandwiches right? we wouldn’t get detroits draft pick because we traded for their catcher.

  95. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 30th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    CaptainsCorner,

    I don’t think Washburn is the problem…Seattle’s GM is the problem. He is a bush league interim GM.

  96. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    “I’ll take my chances with the kids. That strategy worked pretty well in 2005 (Cano and Wang), 2006 (Melky), and 2007.”

    It’s beside the point. I expect Pavano and Igawa for Matt Cain tomorrow afternoon. :D

  97. ANSKY July 30th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    If Beckett is as easy to dislike as has been said, Pudge not liking him in Florida may not be Pudge’s fault at all. It might have something to do with Beckett, though.

    On a team with 25 guys plus staff I wouldn’t expect anyone to get along perfectly with everyone. Beckett sounds like one of those blips on the radar screen.

    I don’t see that kind of thing being a big issue with Pudge in NY.

  98. S.o.S.27 July 30th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    “Seems to me the Yankee sold Farnsworth at his highest value and got themselves a solid player in return.”

    Sj. Good point. We can thank our new manager for helping us land Pudge. If it wasnt for Girardi, we would have got maple bats for Farns.

  99. Jeremy July 30th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    After this move, I hope all the commenters who called Cashman incompetent, cowardly, or unable to make a trade that wasn’t a salary dump have woken up and realized how stupid they sounded.

    By acquiring Nady, Marte, and now Pudge, Cashman dramatically improved his team right now without mortgaging the future. That’s how a smart GM works.

  100. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    If the BoSox trade Ramirez to the Marlins for Hermida and some others, does that mean they are done for the year?

  101. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    “pudge is a winner.”

    Postseason series, Jeter is probably the only guy in the lineup I’d rather have up in a big spot. Pudge has been a -great- playoff performer.

  102. arty July 30th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    does anyone know the yankees 2 bat songs? im making a cd for my friend

  103. cc July 30th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    I don’t know, according to Cashman, the Tigers’ GM called him with the trade. All he had to do was accept.

  104. ryan July 30th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    first of all that was cashmans ring tone as NFL on FOX which i thought was awesome. I personally wish that i hadnt heard the interview with farnsworth because now it makes me feel bad about trading him even though it was the right move and makes our team much better. Finally our team has high average guys that can move runners over rather than big strike out phoneys

  105. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    “If the BoSox trade Ramirez to the Marlins for Hermida and some others, does that mean they are done for the year?”

    No. They have too much depth in the lineup. But I’d be about 150% more comfortable facing them down the stretch and in the postseason.

  106. ANSKY July 30th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Farnsworth should help the Tigers ‘pen, which is in need of help, but the downgrade from Pudge to Inge is also going to be felt over there.

  107. Al from BK July 30th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    I just heard the Manny to Florida rumors and i am scratchng my head how does that make any sense for Florida what are they getting from Manny 2 months of production this is the most far fetched Manny deal yet.

  108. Superman July 30th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    http://theblogofchampions.com/?p=160

  109. Pepitone July 30th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    No wonder Steve Phillips is no longer a GM! The guy is clueless.

    Ivan Rodriguez is the kind of leader this team has been missing since Paul O’Neil. Anyone who watched the Marlins during their run in 03 know how valuable he was to that team. He is terrific with a pitching staff, and is a firebrand when it comes to hustle and desire. The Yankees just upped their playoff chances 50% with this trade.

  110. YankeeVIP July 30th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    1) Come on Pete, even you know ~$5M is a steal for everything we got over the past few days.. i mean, its not to long ago, we all would have chipped in to pay $5M just to get rid of Kyle.

    2) No way Bosox deal manny. Those guys are a bunch of cowards and will simply crawl back in their hole and say manny being manny, oh well.

    3) You have to like this deal for pudge (but then again, I was excited about getting Nady and so far have been disappointed).

    4) Was Pudge with Florida when Pavano was there.. hmmmmmm
    reunion perhaps?

  111. T15D23 July 30th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    WE NOW FINALLY HAVE TO FRAUDS IN PINSTRIPES! YEAH!

    A-FRAUD AND I-FRAUD!

    YEAH.

    (glad we finally dumped farnsworthless).

  112. Jeter2007 July 30th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    to get 2 picks for ivan we’d need to offer him arbitration… what if he accepted ?

  113. Al from BK July 30th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    If Boston gets good young talent for Manny thats good for them but why ould the Marlins want to give those guys up to rent Manny for half a season.

  114. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 30th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    “Cashman’s ringtone sounded like NFL on FO*”

    I don’t follow football so that’s probably why I didn’t recognize it. I’m also a big fan of the 80′s so that’s probably why it sounded like that dreadful “Final Countdown” song.

  115. SJ44 July 30th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Look at the deals another way.

    The Yankees acquired Nady, Marte and Pudge for one player on their active roster and one of their Top Ten prospects. That’s it.

    They get draft picks when Pudge leaves next year. Which replenishes the farm system.

    How can that be a bad thing?

    Let’s not get buyer remorse on Farnsworth. They sold him high.

    If you have buyers remorse on Farnsworth, ask yourself the following question.

    Last game of the year in Boston, season on the line, one run lead in the 8th inning. A win gets you to the playoffs.

    How comfortable do you feel with Kyle pitching that inning?

  116. Pepitone July 30th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    “After this move, I hope all the commenters who called Cashman incompetent, cowardly, or unable to make a trade that wasn’t a salary dump have woken up and realized how stupid they sounded.”

    No, Jeremy, they still want Santana – Yes, even now.

  117. Whitey Fraud July 30th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Breaking analysis here!

  118. Tyler July 30th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Anyone else think Maddux might be a nice fit?

  119. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 30th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    “No. They have too much depth in the lineup. But I’d be about 150% more comfortable facing them down the stretch and in the postseason.”

    Oh, I disagree here. With Ramirez gone, Ortiz gets walked more to get to Drew or Lowell, who simply aren’t as dangerous as Ramirez. Also, the bottom of that lineup – Lugo, Crisp, Cora – yeah, really scary guys…not!!

    I don’t care how many papers Manny has signed – I will believe he’s been traded when I see him actually play a game in the other team’s uniform.

  120. ANSKY July 30th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    Confcius –

    Boston trading Manny would rid them of the infectious pustule he is, and of his insidious negotiating tactics, but they will miss the bat he wields.

    Get something for him? Oh yes they will, you can count on that. But at the same time, Manny’s bat will be out of their lineup which is good for other teams in almost any situation.

  121. CB July 30th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    “to get 2 picks for ivan we’d need to offer him arbitration… what if he accepted ?”

    They’ll play him if Posada isn’t healthy.

    Or, what is more likely, they’ll trade him. Pudge signed to a one year deal will draw a lot of interest in the off season. Catching is just too hard to find.

    I don’t think he’ll accept arbitration – he’ll want and be able to get a multi year deal. And a one year arbitration deal is not boras’s style.

    But even if he does accept that’s fine. The yankees will be able to deal him. He won’t have the no trade clause anymore.

  122. Redding July 30th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    A week ago if you told me that Damaso Marte would be throwing to Pudge Rodriguez, I would have laughed at you.

  123. Pepitone July 30th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    “I am clearly looking forward to Pudge coming over here, and I think it makes the Yanks a much better team. But it takes me back, a bit, to see Kyle there, crying on TV, and realize that these are really flesh and blood guys.”

    Excellent, excellent post Joe! Hear! Hear!

  124. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    “If Boston gets good young talent for Manny thats good for them but why ould the Marlins want to give those guys up to rent Manny for half a season.”

    They’re two out in the NL east. They want to make another run. They’d probably want salary relief from Boston and they wouldn’t be willing to give much up, so it isn’t likely to happen. But if they pull it off, it’s the gutsy trade deadline move that it looks like the Rays aren’t going to make.

  125. Dan July 30th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Three Things:

    1) Mark Melancon has already thrown 75.1 innings this year… to put that into perspective, that is just under 30 more than the highest in the Yankees pen (Rivera, 47.1)

    2) Stop believe all of the BS rumors flying around. With both of Cashman’s two deals so far, there hasn’t been a single rumor regarding either before hand. Cashman isn’t going to tip his hand, he’ll surprise us all.

    3) Why all the hate of Kennedy? He has been dealing lately in AAA (20 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 4 BB, 14 K, Source). He deserves another shot at the MLB level

  126. CaptainsCorner July 30th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Ok the only thing left is a starting pitcher..Cash get it done!! Yanks got the best defensive catcher in the majors, the best lefty reliever, one of the best outfielders available. Yanks got alot better but if they keep sending Rasner and Ponson out there then it wont really mean anything. I mean Ras and Pon against the Angels this week?!!!!..I can throw up just thinking about it!!

    Next year how about Posada plays 1st base and they sign Pudge to catch?!

  127. Wang IS Taiwan July 30th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    I bet the pitchers aren’t happy about this move. Pudge is a selfish catcher — was always more concerned about showing off his arm than calling a good game. One thing I think we can count on, though, is that Pudge will be on his best behavior for a while.

    Mussina will definitely stick with Molina.

    Not real happy about the move. Moeller was good with Rasner and I’d rather keep Rasner than Sir Sid.

  128. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 30th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    “what’s the source for both Girardi’s and Cashman’s affection for Farnsworth? He seemed like especially a pain in the ass to a manager. He was obsessed with having a power fastball yet somehow couldn’t go more than one inning, on consecutive days, or enter in mid-inning.”

    This is where you’re thinking like a fan. You’re assuming that Brian Cashman agrees with your thinking. I tend to think not, especially not with how Farnsworth has been used this year.

  129. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    “Oh, I disagree here. With Ramirez gone, Ortiz gets walked more to get to Drew or Lowell, who simply aren’t as dangerous as Ramirez.”

    True, which is why I’d be a lot more comfortable. But Drew and Lowell still give them an excellent shot at at least the wildcard.

  130. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    Since I regard myself as somewhat awake – I always enjoy when people make an impressive point that should have occured to me at first blush:

    “On top of it, Pudge will most likely be a Type A Free Agent at the end of the year. Meaning, 2 draft picks when he leaves in the off-season. The real plus of the deal, especially considering the fact if Detroit keeps losing, that could be a Top 10 pick.”

    With all due respect to the Red Wings – ERRRR Tigers – I feel very good about picking up their 2 picks!.

    SJ with a great insight again ! Thank you sir!

  131. Bronx Jeers July 30th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    Cashman scores again! This is like a stoner’s trade. Whoever thought this one up was definitely one with the bong. Weird trade and I love it. Pudge brings more than his bat and and defense. This guy has got cajones grandes. A true gamer. A Marine. Yanks can spare the bullpen arm anyway. Molina wasn’t going to get any stronger.

  132. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    “A week ago if you told me that Damaso Marte would be throwing to Pudge Rodriguez, I would have laughed at you.”

    I’d at least have wondered which team’s logo I’d be wearing if I picked up an Ian Kennedy jersey.

  133. YankeeVIP July 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    i wouldnt be surprised if Cash made a deal for a big time pitcher. it would be a perfect fit, with a revamped lineup and benchplayers, if we got a stud pitcher.. you have to feel good.

    I am under no delusions that they wont have to give up alot, but Kennedy, Marquez/Horne, Betanice, Brackman, etc. should be able to get you something close to a stud (note: i still think hughes and melancon should stay put).

  134. SJ44 July 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    The innings are not really the way to evaluate Melancon’s workload.

    He has worked 3 innings or more 12 times this year. In 10 of those 12 outings, he threw less than 25 pitches per outing.

    He hasn’t thrown a lot of pitches, which is why he they have been able to build up his innings.

    He’s fine physically and could help them if they decided to call him up at some point this season.

  135. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    I have to think the Yankees must have some thoughts that Posada’s arm will never be catcher-ready ever again…I could be wrong.

  136. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    redsox closing on a deal with the marlins

    NICE!

  137. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Dan –

    “1) Mark Melancon has already thrown 75.1 innings this year… to put that into perspective, that is just under 30 more than the highest in the Yankees pen (Rivera, 47.1)”

    Do you think that the Yankees are unaware of this? What is your point?

  138. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Marquez/Horne have little, if any value right now.

  139. Al from BK July 30th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    Razzy and Ponson against the angels is grounds enough to get another starter.

  140. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 30th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    I have to think the Yankees must have some thoughts that Posada’s arm will never be catcher-ready ever again…I could be wrong.

    I think so. Pudge is a 2 month rental.

  141. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    “redsox closing on a deal with the marlins

    NICE!”

    ‘On the verge?’ If this happens and the Rays are as inactive as it appears they will be, you can pencil us in for the division title.

  142. mel (47-1) July 30th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    Poor Jorge. Talk about adding insult to injury.

    On the day that he has surgery, he gets replaced!

  143. DetroitRockCity July 30th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    “This trade probably hurts the Tiggers by subtraction at catcher more than it helps them in the bullpen.”

    “Farnsworth should help the Tigers ‘pen, which is in need of help, but the downgrade from Pudge to Inge is also going to be felt over there.”

    Pudge is a whiner, and Brandon Inge can do basically anything. I mean, Pudge hasn’t been producing on offense for years, and last year his defense also took a (very) noticeable decline from previous seasons.

    Inge on the other hand, is a mediocre batter (he’s had his moments though) but he’s a great athlete and a pretty good catcher. He’s been catching a bit this season and has done a great job.

    Essentially, Tigers fans consider this a wash…and we’ve had Farnsworth once before already, and he did fine in Detroit…once he got to NY and got jeered for stupid reasons he started sucking.

    So basically…Yanks fans (like normal) have no idea what you’re talking about…this isn’t really as much of a “steal” as you probably think.

    Good luck with Pudge’s knees.

  144. CaptainsCorner July 30th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    I cant believe that the Marlins would give up one of there young outfielders for 2 months of Manny. Makes absolutely no sense. There no name pitchers are holding on by a hair. Then Manny will be screaming an crying his head off when the team is no longer in the playoff hunt.

  145. Pepitone July 30th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    The Marlins trading Hanley Ramirez, one of the best young shortstops in the majors, with a few more of their top prospects, for a 37 year old “Have Bat Will Travel” rental?

    I don’t believe it! The Marlins are smarter than that.

  146. Jeter2007 July 30th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    so melancon could be ‘considered’ at about 55 innings?

  147. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    The Marlins, are in no way, trading Hanley Ramirez back to the BoSox, or to anyone for that matter.

  148. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    “‘On the verge?’ If this happens and the Rays are as inactive as it appears they will be, you can pencil us in for the division title.”

    Yup!

  149. mel (47-1) July 30th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    Did Manny sign off on his no trade? That was due today @ 4 pm.

  150. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    “So basically…Yanks fans (like normal) have no idea what you’re talking about…this isn’t really as much of a “steal” as you probably think.”

    My goodness, do you sound bitter! Your beloved manager has emphatically stated that reports of I-Rod’s poor team ethic are grossly exaggerated. Leyland -loves- the guy!

    Good luck with Farnsy’s straight 98 mph fastball! :D

  151. Redding July 30th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Seemingly, Melancon doesn’t have a hard innings cap.

    If that is true, give him a few AAA appearances then bring him up.

  152. SJ44 July 30th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    The Marlins aren’t trading Hanley Ramirez.

  153. SCRANTON July 30th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    “IF” Matsui were to come back could we possibly do this? Not Necessarily in this particular order.
    1.Damon LF
    2.Jeter SS
    3.Abreu RF
    4.Rodriguez 3B
    5.Matsui DH
    6.Giambi 1B
    7.Nady CF
    8.Rodriguez C
    9.Cano 2B

  154. CB July 30th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    “Pudge hasn’t been producing on offense for years, ”

    Pudge has been 15 runs better than a replacement level catcher so far this year. He’s got the second highest OPS of any catcher in the AL this year.

    Molina has been almost 9 runs worse than a replacement level catcher so far this year..

    They’ll take that net pick up of 24 runs for Farnsworth any day.

    And the yankees are going to offer pudge arbitration and get 2 high picks for him – a risk that Dombrowski was not willing to take.

  155. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    “Poor Jorge. Talk about adding insult to injury.

    On the day that he has surgery, he gets replaced!”

    This is a little sentimental – he was replaced the day he went on the DL – I hope he didn’t cry.

    He should be happy that the Yanks valued him enough to put a HOF player in his slot while he is going to be gone.

    unless of course I am misinterpreting you – in which case I apologize. :)

  156. CaptainsCorner July 30th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    I really think it is Boston putting all of these rumors out there hoping that someone will offer then a great group of prospects..but I dont see it. Manny is in Bostons lineup so nothing is close. Also the Marlins players are in Floridas lineup. I really dont think that Boston has the guts to trade him.

  157. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    “The Marlins trading Hanley Ramirez, one of the best young shortstops in the majors, with a few more of their top prospects, for a 37 year old “Have Bat Will Travel” rental?”

    No way marlins are only trading away willingham or hermida

  158. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 30th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    SJ and TKinDC,

    Isn’t the two draft picks contingent on his not accepting arbitration?

  159. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 30th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Mel-Supposedly Manny did sign the paperwork to waive his NTC

  160. Alex July 30th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    meml manny signed paperwork today and its willingham or hermida

  161. Pepitone July 30th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    “The Marlins aren’t trading Hanley Ramirez.”

    That’s why I said I didn’t believe it, SJ44. So, with that spurious rumor set aside, what exactly are the offers the Marlins have put on the table for Manny, i.e., if such discussions are actually going on?

  162. E-Man July 30th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    “Maybe you didn’t watch last season unfold but the pitchers who made the biggest impact on the Yanks last season were all kids – Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy.

    Even Clemens was a major disappointment for a guy who wasn’t expected to be any better than a middle of the rotation starter.

    We know what Washburn is – a back of the rotation starter who has overachieved the last 6 weeks.

    I’ll take my chances with the kids. That strategy worked pretty well in 2005 (Cano and Wang), 2006 (Melky), and 2007.”

    Your only argument could be Joba last year but that was a relief role. You have no argument with Kennedy or Hughes last year. Kennedy only started 3 games!! and Hughes was good for 13 games. Biggest impact?!?!?

    Lets forget about Wang or even Pettitte (especially the second half) as far as pitching goes.

    The strategy has always been to win. If there was someone down there ready, you think Ponson or Rasner would be here? It’s time to wake up.

  163. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    CB is right (comme toujours!)

    As any moron with a computer can see – he OPS+ is better now than the last three years.

    His assists are down – shocker – but his rep is HUGE! and we already have a strong armed catcher.

  164. Mitchell July 30th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    According to KFFL:

    Jul 30 Dan Graziano, of The Star-Ledger, reports the New York Yankees have been receiving interest from other teams regarding SP Carl Pavano (elbow). Other clubs have asked to see medical information on Pavano. One of the team’s speculated to have interest in Pavano has been the New York Mets.

    Really?!?!?

  165. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    The redsox are asking the marlins for hermida or willingham and a minor leaguer but the marlins wants boston to pay the 7mil left on manny this year

  166. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Willingham is already 29, close to 30. I would have to think Hermida is the one…and frankly, the Marlins are morons.

  167. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    That trade for the marlins makes soo much sense. Bringing in manny proves to the city of miami that they want to win and helps the stadium deal. Its great for putting fans fanny’s in the seats. Marketing will increase tenfold. And best of all Manny lives 6 miles from the stadium and would be presumably playing in front of his family and friends each night and that would give him more incentive to not be manny being manny.

  168. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    “Isn’t the two draft picks contingent on his not accepting arbitration?”

    Scott Boras is his agent. He’ll want a Posada-like contract. And as CB has pointed out, he’d be a backup to Posada next year. He most likely won’t accept. But a Posada-Pudge combo wouldn’t be the end of the world if he did.

  169. DetroitRockCity July 30th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Yeah, that does seem a bit fishy to me (the whole team ethic thing), I knew he hated Trammel. I DO know that, as of now, Pudge isn’t really a great player anymore. I, personally, am somewhat happy with this trade. My only problem is that the media keeps saying “this trade is so good for the Yanks, it puts them back in the race” but curiously don’t seem to want to talk about how it effects the Tigers…who are still very much in the race. It’s annoying.

  170. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    if the rumors are true this is highway robbery for the marlins..

  171. Jeter2007 July 30th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    i doubt bos is that dumb

    manny makes a couple million more than a. jones, t. hunter, ichiro, v. wells… that puts it in perspective how valuable he is

    no one could fill that hole if he left

  172. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 30th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Confucius,

    Good point.

  173. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    “Other clubs have asked to see medical information on Pavano. One of the team’s speculated to have interest in Pavano has been the New York Mets.”

    Everyone needs a good laugh now and then! :) Just ask the Joker (shivers)

  174. SJ44 July 30th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    If the Marlins trade Manny, they are nuts. Jeremy Hermida and Josh Willingham have struggled with the bat recently. Willingham hasn’t hit for 6 weeks. Hernida has chronic hamstring problems.

    As far as pitching prospects are concerned, the best of the Marlins crop is Chris Volstad and Sean West (who is in A ball). If they don’t get either guy in a deal, their other pitching prospects aren’t that good.

    I just can’t see the Red Sox dealing him, no matter how pi$$ed they are at him. You will never get fair market value for him and he leaves a huge hole in the lineup.

    Will be interested if the Red Sox are serious this time or are just putting on a show for Manny. They could tell him, “we tried but nobody wanted you. Just play hard for us the rest of the way” after the deadline.

  175. Buddy Biancalana July 30th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    Manny is in the starting lineup, so no deal is done yet unless he gets pulled form the game.

  176. frits July 30th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    just wanted to clear up a question, i know its already been addressed – since pudge will be an unrestricted FA (correct?), do we in fact get the draft picks for him if he walks? and if he is an unrestricted FA, can we actually offer him arbitration? i’m a bit rusty on the arby rules. thanks.

  177. Blargh July 30th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Clarification regarding compensation picks: If the team’s 1st round pick is in the upper half (top 15), they keep that. Instead, they lose their 2nd round pick. So the net picks for the team receiving compensation would be a ‘Special Draft Choice’ (which is the sammich pick created from thin air for this purpose) and the 2nd rounder. If not in the upper half, then yea, 1st rounder and the sammich pick.

    Oh, here’s something that’s usually not mentioned when discussing sammich picks. According to the CBA (page 73-74), Special Draft Choices from Type A free agents go before those from Type B free agents… :P

  178. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    boston thinks that manny is mailing in this year hes not playing hard and is a cancer in the club house

  179. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    “My only problem is that the media keeps saying “this trade is so good for the Yanks, it puts them back in the race” but curiously don’t seem to want to talk about how it effects the Tigers…who are still very much in the race. It’s annoying.”

    There isn’t a person on this blog who won’t welcome Farnsworth on the mound in the postseason. You can say it’s New York being too demanding, but he’s had huge blowups in Atlanta and Chicago. His troubles certainly did not begin here. He’s had a good run in the last few months, but he still made all of us (well, except Trisha) nervous in any tight game.

  180. ANSKY July 30th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Pudge’s knees only really have to last to the end of this year. He’s played about 3/4 of the games so far and Molina’s a solid defensive backup C for the rest of the time.

    Is it an idea trade for the perfect player for both sides? No, but it gives both sides a little improvement in one area while they’re still doing OK in the other.

    Is there a Boston trade w/Florida in the works? Hanley for Manny? That’ll help Boston a little at SS. Hanley’s fielding pct is about 10pts less than Jeter’s but it’s virtually the same as Julio Lugo’s. Because Hanley can hit well, he’s an upgrade at SS from Lugo. He’s not quite Manny at the plate but he’s young and he comes inexpensive for them. How it pans out for them depends on what they do to fill the hole in LF.

  181. frits July 30th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    blargh – these picks are surrendered for any FA?

  182. SJ44 July 30th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Michelle makes a good point. I live in South Florida and I will tell you, if the Marlins got Manny, it would be HUGE news down here. It also could be the type of deal that helps the Marlins win the division.

    You know if Manny ever got traded, he’s going to play his butt off to prove he’s worthy of a new, big money deal.

    It also would advance the Marlins quest for getting their new stadium deal done sooner rather than later. Especially if they win the division this year.

  183. CB July 30th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    “Dan Graziano, of The Star-Ledger, reports the New York Yankees have been receiving interest from other teams regarding SP Carl Pavano (elbow).”

    No idea if this is true but it tells you how desperate teams are for pitching.

    The yankees don’t have the best farm system in baseball. The red sox system is considerably better than the yankees. So is the rays.

    But the yankees may have the most useful/ valuable system because it completely suits there needs. And it has the most valuable commodity in baseball to trade – pitching.

    Compare how the sox are trying t scramble for bull pen help and unable to get it with what the yankees have done getting Marte.

    Ohlendorf, McCutchen, and Karstens aren’t elite prospects in any way but they’re better than the pitching the sox had to trade – these were surplus guys for the yankees. Not so for most other teams.

    That trade then set up the Pudge trade.

    Let’s see if this forces Tampa into overpaying for Jason Bay.

  184. Bill from NJ July 30th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    http://www.baseballprospectus......red/?p=965

    Manny looks headed to Miami

    Multipe baseball sources say the Red Sox are on the verge of sending disgrunted left fielder Manny Ramirez to the Marlins in a trade for a package of three players that included low Class A Greensboro outfielder Mike Stanton, an 18-year-old who is hitting .275/.351/.569 with 26 home runs in 96 games.

  185. frits July 30th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    hanley’s not going anywhere. florida wouldn’t trade hanley for manny straight up. that’d be nuts.

  186. Rishi July 30th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Manny to ESPNDeportes “The Red Sox don’t deserve a player like me”

  187. SCRANTON July 30th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    I think the Sox will make this trade, they might as well get something in return because if they pick up his option he will go buck and prob wont play. So hes gone after this season anyway. Does anyone here tink Nady can play CF if matsui comes back?

  188. Jeter2007 July 30th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    “When a player with six or more years of major league service files for free agency, his club has the option of offering arbitration. The club must offer arbitration in order to receive compensation in the form of draft picks if the player signs with another organization.

    If the player accepts arbitration, he is no longer considered a free agent and he becomes bound to that club. If a player refuses arbitration, as most players do, he is a free agent who can sign with any organization, including the one for which he played last year.”

  189. SJ44 July 30th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    The Marlins aren’t trading Hanley Ramirez for Manny Ramirez. Zero chance of that happening.

    Hanley isn’t going anywhere.

  190. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    “since pudge will be an unrestricted FA (correct?), do we in fact get the draft picks for him if he walks? and if he is an unrestricted FA, can we actually offer him arbitration? i’m a bit rusty on the arby rules. thanks.”

    We have to offer him arbitration (and he, obviously, has to decline) to get the picks … unless he signs before December, but Boras will shop him around the whole offseason, so that won’t happen.

  191. #9 July 30th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    IRod meet ARod… Arod meet IRod…

  192. Blargh July 30th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Who knows how Elias determines it, but Type A’s are FA’s in the top 20% of their position and Type B’s are in the next 20%

    And of course, there’s the provision of offering arbitration to them.
    …OR, if they sign before a certain date, but that doesn’t seem to happen.

  193. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    thanks sj, i used to live in pembroke pines, i was just talking to my parents who still live there and they both agreed that manny would make a huge impact on the florida “fans” and the media.

  194. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    “Manny to ESPNDeportes “The Red Sox don’t deserve a player like me””

    :D

    If Manny ends up on the Marlins, I will begin rooting for him so hard. :D

  195. gayle July 30th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    The person who brought up pitchers not being happy cause Pudge calls a selfish game. I have no idea if that is true or not. If it were me I would keep Molina for sure with Moose as well as Joba that gives him 2 starts a week and gives Pudge 2 days off a week which I think in the long term will help both of them out.

    JOba has been very much praising the work that Jose has done with him in calling the game recently and you cant argue based on the results.

  196. Bill from NJ July 30th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Interesting stuff on Manny in the clubhouse 2 hours ago…

    http://trades.mlblogs.com/arch....._home.html

  197. frits July 30th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    thanks to jeter2007 and confucius. that clears it up for me.

  198. Pepitone July 30th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    “f the Marlins (you mean the Red Sox) trade Manny, they are nuts. Jeremy Hermida and Josh Willingham have struggled with the bat recently. Willingham hasn’t hit for 6 weeks. Hernida has chronic hamstring problems.”

    I disagree SJ44. I coach basketball and football and the last thing I need is headaches from one of my players playing the prima dona role. Teams win championships, not individuals.

    The 97 Indians had better talent than the Marlins and lost the WS, the 96 Braves had more talent than the Yankees and lost the WS, the 03 Yankees had more talent than the Marlins and lost the WS.

    Hermedia and Willingham cannot make up for Manny’s bat, that’s for sure, but what they make up for in defense, speed, and overall team play will make the Sox better IMO.

  199. Jorge Tabata July 30th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Now time to find a starter

  200. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Did anyone see Ramirez’s two DP’s this week…apparently clocked at 6 seconds and 5.5 seconds “running” down to first? I haven’t seen them, but I saw Peter Gammons talking about it and he was PIIISSSSSED

  201. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    “At around 5:30, the following blurb appeared on the ESPN crawl: “Red Sox engaged in serious conversation to trade Manny Ramirez to the Marlins.” At literally that exact time, Ramirez walked past that television with a plate of food in his hand, but didn’t see it.

    About 20 minutes later, Ramirez, obviously aware, or made aware by teammates, said with light-hearted enthusiasm, “Oh yeah, Marlins. Tax free. Stay at home.” Then he gave Hideki Okajima’s interpreter — Jeff Yamaguchi — a mock hug good-bye. Yamaguchi simply smiled and shook his head.”

    We are on the verge of enjoying the best trade deadline ever.

  202. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    as for this trade with the yanks and the tigers…i’ll just be happy to see farnsy give up the game winning/tying run for some other team. He made me so nervous every time he came in to a game.

    As for pudge, if zaun can resurrect his career with the jays, why cant pudge do it here…. at least for two months.

  203. real lousy chowdah July 30th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    You would expect that Ortiz by now would have stepped up on his friend Manny’s behalf and try to resolve things but even he sees it as a lost cause.
    A lot has been said that once the Ortiz-Ramirez duo was broken up it would take the real threat out of the lineup.
    Let’s see what develops.

  204. kd July 30th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    manny’s in the lineup tonight. it’s not likely to happen until later tonight, if at all.

  205. Aaron July 30th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Red Sox would be in a 3 way trade w. them accepting Bay.

  206. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    My guess is that even Ortiz can’t smooth this over. The BoSox management is fed up.

  207. Wolf In Pinstripes July 30th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Now rumored to be a possible 3-way deal in the works involving Pittsburgh that would send Bay to Boston.

  208. SJ44 July 30th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    I follow the Marlins pretty closely. If Ryan Tucker is one of the arms in the deal, he’s a decent arm. Sort of like their Ian Kennedy. Back end of the rotation guy.

    Sean West is their Hughes, even though he is in A ball. He’s a stud.

    As of yesterday, the Marlins declared him “off limits” in any deal. Who knows if that’s changed.

    Chris Volstad is the Marlins Joba. Very talented kid, two years out of HS, and he is already in the majors. I’d hate to see the Red Sox get him.

    I know the Red Sox have always liked Willingham. He has hit under .200 for the last two months and has had back problems all season. If healthy, he can hit. Question is his health.

    Hermida is very talented but, is also hurt a lot. LH bat, I don’t really see how he fits into the picture except that he’s young.

    Its fascinating to see if the Red Sox have the cajones to pull off this deal.

    I talked to somebody well connected in MLB earlier. After lamenting about the Yankees getting Pudge (“How the hell did Cash pull that off”?, was his quote to me), he said that he heard the Red Sox clubhouse is now, “24 vs 1″. He said any good will Manny had in the clubhouse is gone.

    If that’s the case, perhaps that’s why the Red Sox are so willing to move him.

    Even so, its still a BIG deal if they trade Manny Ramirez.

  209. Bill from NJ July 30th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    A source told MLB.com that a three-way trade may be in the works.

    Under this scenario, Ramirez would go to the Marlins, while Jeremy Hermida would go to the Pirates, and Jason Bay would go to the Red Sox.

  210. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    “OK, I’m hearing and reading the same thing you guys are on Manny and the Marlins. All I can tell you, gentle readers, is that it flies in the face of everything I’ve been told in the last hour-plus. Anything is possible, but I can’t see it.”

    from boston.com

  211. BB July 30th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    The problem is starter pitchor right now.

  212. Shawn M July 30th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    Melancon’s season (time at Tampa and Trenton)#’s: 32 app, 75 ip, 58 h, 23 r, 18 er, 5 hr, 18 bb, 2.16 bb/9, 67 K, 8.04 K/9, 1.01 WHIP

    Strickland (all SWB): 38 app, 53.1 ip, 36 h, 13 r, 13 er, 17 bb, 2.88 bb/9, 60 K, 10.2 k/9, 1.00 WHIP

    Essentially the same pitchers statistically against different levels of competition.

  213. Rubin-Jon Kruk should never be allowed to speak publicly again! July 30th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Yes, we get Pudge! The Marlins are reportedly very close to getting Manny! Depending on who the Red Sox get, I think Stanton, Willingham and someone else, their not getting into October. The Rays/Pirates talks about Bay have reportedly stalled. I dont think we need to make another trade. We could do without Washed-up burn. The only other trade I see us making is sending Hawkins to the Twins for a low level prospect. I have a feeling we will be seeing Ian Patrick Kennedy in the Bronx very soon, if Ponson blows again, Kennedy will be up. I didnt think it was possible to make all these big trades without dealing Hughes or Kennedy, A-Jax and Melky, but we did, and I am VERY happy,

  214. #9 July 30th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Thanks for being Manny, Manny!!

  215. Jorge Tabata July 30th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Gammons is ticked lol, he is biting his lips and stuttering just like he did after Arod opted out during the Sox WS.

  216. Pepitone July 30th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    If the Red Sox get Jason Bay, they will be stronger.

  217. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Jason Bay is not Manny Ramirez…make the deal.

  218. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    cant pay for better entertainment than steve phillips and gammons fighting on live tv.

  219. Rubin-Jon Kruk should never be allowed to speak publicly again! July 30th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    No, damnit. PULL OUT OF THE DEAL, PIRATES! AGH!

  220. SJ44 July 30th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Neither Willingham nor Hermida can run. I don’t care how much of a pain Manny is, neither guy comes close to his talent.

    Take Manny off the Red Sox, they have ZERO rings.

    He’s not my kind of player but, he’s a great hitter. The kind of hitter that wins rings. Hermida, Willingham and Bay are not guys that will make anybody shiver in the AL.

    Manny isn’t doing anything he hasn’t done before. He just wasn’t in the final year of his contract when he was doing this stuff in the past.

    Jason Bay? He ain’t Manny. Big, big shoes to fill.

    Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

  221. Dr. J July 30th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Gammons and Steve getting feisty at eachother lol this is awesome

  222. Terry from New Hampshire July 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Gammons thinks that the Manny-to-Florida trade is most likely going to happen. Now Steve Philips and Gammons are going at it. Gammon’s looks very anguished. As a Yankee fan, you want this to happen more then anybody. Ortiz without Manny (as a Yankee killer) would be a blessing for us. Pudge trade looks awesome! Now gotta get Washburn.

  223. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    “If the Red Sox get Jason Bay, they will be stronger.”

    No. Jason Bay is not -that- good. Not by a long shot.

    Manny is a walk-in, no questions asked Hall of Famer. Better hitters than Bay don’t make up for Manny Ramirez.

  224. Pepitone July 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    “Gammons is ticked lol, he is biting his lips and stuttering just like he did after Arod opted out during the Sox WS.”

    Anytime that Red Sox apologist is upset about something the Sox are doing, I’m a happy man.

  225. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    So does Marte take over the 8th?

    Is there an ‘open competition’?

    What would Farve do? :)

  226. numbers guy July 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Does Pudge know he can’t wear #7

  227. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    I need some popcorn. This “Manny-will he or won’t he be traded” stuff is fun to watch

  228. Phil July 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    The Red Sox system is no better than the Yanks. Don’t believe the crap you read in BA, they get it straight from the Sox, and the Yanks won’t talk to them.

  229. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 30th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    I can’t wait to see Gammons’s ugly, Boston-biased mug on the screen touting the Sox for bringing Bay.

    I remember how giddy he was when he thought A-Rod was going to Boston. I loved watching that fall through.

  230. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Any deal that has Manny out of Boston, even with Bay going to the Sox, is a better deal for the Yankees. I am tired of Ramirez killing us.

  231. MJR (Shut Up Steve Phillips) July 30th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    oh man…Gammons was foaming while debating with Steve the Tool Phillips – talking about Manny on Baseball Tonight.

    I dare anyone to say anything Phillips said in that discussion made sense. :D

  232. JR Yankees July 30th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Now a possible three way deal is being talked about which would send Bay to the Sox.

  233. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 30th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    I think Jason Bay is hyped up a bit too much.

    He’s good, but who are we kidding? No one the Sox trade for will fill Manny’s shoes.

    I will love watching him leave Boston.

  234. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Damn…Im so angry I missed the debate.

  235. Peter Rabbit July 30th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Did anyone post this video of Giambi from last night’s game?

    (flipping the bird to the “shift”)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5PrikvvHfo

  236. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 30th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    MJR,

    There is a reason Phillips is on Baseball Tonight and no longer a GM.

    He is a joke.

  237. Hellboy July 30th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Beckett > Sum( Every_teams_pitchers, 1990, 2008 )

  238. Pepitone July 30th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    I still do not want Cash to go after Washburn. I said in a previous post that Angel fans here in LA were ecstatic to get rid of him, for good reason. He’s inconsistent and average at best.

    I say wait for Hughes and Kennedy.

  239. Matt July 30th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Tigers losing 5-0 tonight in the 2nd inning. It’ll be interesting to see if the loss of Pudge and his leadership hurts their pitching staff.

  240. MikeEff ( GO GAMMONS) July 30th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    i’ve never enjoyed baseball tonight more—steve phillips is like a dog chewing on a nyla-ring. we WON’T let manny go- gammons has officially HAD it with manny and is going at it with that jerk phillips.

  241. Blargh July 30th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    “What would Favre do?”

    Win the Cy Young!

  242. Phil - 27 in '08 July 30th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    Maybe the Sox view trading Manny away as the final piece…trading away Nomar seemed to work. It had become 24 vs 1 then, also.

  243. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    Anyone know if there are videos of Manny “lollygagging” down to first last night?

  244. dont retire 21 July 30th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    phillips is a moron… hes having a real bad day i heard him get killed by max kellerman this morning on his show… he knew he lost and was so angered by it it was hilarious…

    at the end of the interview kellerman states…

    “wow he’s like aggressively wrong! I love it.”

  245. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    “Did anyone post this video of Giambi from last night’s game?

    (flipping the bird to the “shift”)”

    We caught that LIVE mr. rabbit! Trix are for kids!

    (sorry about the mixed metaphors!) :)

  246. Bombshell July 30th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Hahaha what a clown Steve Phillips is, he made not an ounce of sense, that was almost embarrasing for Gammons to school him.

  247. Hellboy July 30th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    So far,
    Beckett
    1 hit
    5 K
    0 BB

    This would be the ?th 1-hitter complete game shutout by Sox pitcher at Fenway.

  248. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 30th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    don’t retire 21,

    that is awesome. kellerman is hilarious.

    he is a great boxing commentator too…i was impressed by what he had to say at the Cotto Margarito fight.

  249. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 30th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    What the heck is Gammons wearing?

  250. Bill from NJ July 30th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    “Dan Graziano says the Yankees aren’t looking at other starters. They’re waiting to see if the Mariners will drop their price on Washburn. They may try to acquire him in August.”

  251. MD Mike July 30th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Addition by subtraction for Boston. We all thought they would be a weaker team when they traded Nomahhhhhh back in 2004 but they ended up being better. I have a feeling that they will come out of any trade a better team, even if they lack Manny’s bat.
    The Yankees will have to run off a few more eight game streaks to keep up.

  252. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    gammons is painful to watch.

  253. Reality Check July 30th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Happy with trade, but always puzzled why Ivan “I use to be Pudge” Rodriguez gets a free pass on the roids front. There is no more obvious roider than Rodriguez, both with repect to his precipitous loss of power and weight. Plus, he was in Canseco’s book re: when they were both with Texas. Yet everyone talks about him as a sure HOFer. If he is, then the others should be as well (this leaves aside the point that Jorge’s offensive stats stack up well against Rodriguez). Having said all that, I like the trade for the next 2– or, hopefully, 3– months.

  254. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    THIS JUST IN FROM FAVRESPN -

    Brett Favre has not decided whether he will have fritters or hop’n'jon for dinner tonight – Sal Pal will give us the low down on your next sportfavrentre.

  255. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    According to Ken Davidoff of Newsday, the Yankees’ trade talks for Jarrod Washburn are dead. The Yanks will turn to Ian Kennedy, Phil Hughes, and maybe Freddy Garcia. They can also rekindle the Washburn talks in August if they think he will clear waivers (most do).

    I am surprised other teams aren’t looking more seriously at Washburn given the weak market for starting pitching. The Rockies, White Sox, and Mets would all make sense.

  256. MikeEff ( GO GAMMONS) July 30th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    SA–i have no idea–but it looked like they were filming him under a purple spotlight. also i believe gammons has died his hair periwinkle blue

  257. Pepitone July 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    When Harold Reynolds left Baseball Tonight it left a big void.

    ESPN is a big corporate monstrosity that cares little for the average fan. John Miller and Joe Morgan are jerks. Nobody wants Steve Phillips to comment on anything, and Gammons is an obvious Red Sox shill, but they could care less what we think. They have a monopoly on the sports scene and know it.

  258. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Bill from NJ,

    Probably because they know that Kennedy is close and at hopefully serviceable.

    What’s the point of looking anywhere else? Nothing is on the market that is THAT good and anything REALLY good will cost a boatload of talent. that seems to be the one thing Cashman is not going to do: trade the big fish prospects.

  259. dont retire 21 July 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    mad prince in pinstripes

    yea kellerman is way underrated for yankee fans he and brian kenny are a great show to listen to.

  260. #9 July 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    “Does Pudge know he can’t wear #7″

    Think it will be #17 (?)

  261. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    “So far,
    Beckett
    1 hit
    5 K
    0 BB

    This would be the ?th 1-hitter complete game shutout by Sox pitcher at Fenway.”

    Could also be a 20-0 BoSux loss. Introduce yourself to reality sawxtroll.

  262. Phil July 30th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Yanks are still looking at other starters.

  263. #9 July 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    “What the heck is Gammons wearing?”

    Very summery ain’t it?

  264. Dee Dee Ramone July 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Is anybody interested in writing with me on my blog?

  265. real lousy chowdah July 30th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    If Gammons is thoroughly fed up with Manny then so is the Socks ownership for whom he is a mouthpiece. He is offically their voice.

  266. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 30th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    Phil,

    Like who? Any word?

  267. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    “Addition by subtraction for Boston. We all thought they would be a weaker team when they traded Nomahhhhhh back in 2004 but they ended up being better. I have a feeling that they will come out of any trade a better team, even if they lack Manny’s bat.”

    Nomar was a nice player when he was at his best. But come now. Manny he was not. Manny he never was. Ortiz-Manny was and still is the heart and soul of that lineup.

    If they get some good young players, they’ll be better set up for future seasons. Manny was going to be on his way out eventually anyway. But Manny is one of the top 5 hitters in the game, and he destroys us in ways that Nomar never dreamed.

  268. pat July 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Remember from the off season…..

    You hear what they want you to hear. Then in swoops Stealth Cashman.

  269. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Very summery ain’t it?

    He looked like an Easter Egg to me :P

  270. #9 July 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    The roll Cashman is on, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Yanks get Manny for Wilson Betemit…

  271. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    “Happy with trade, but always puzzled why Ivan “I use to be Pudge” Rodriguez gets a free pass on the roids front.”

    Because he’s never been named by anything other than Canseco’s book. :\

  272. Aaron July 30th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    The Yankees have been getting calls on Carl Pavano. One unconfirmed rumor has the Mets interested.

    DO IT!lol

  273. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 30th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    SJ,

    We don’t get Detroit’s first round pick if Pudge leaves as a free agent after we offer arbitration and he declines it.

    We get the 1st round pick of the team that signs him and we only get their 1st if it’s not in the 1st 15 picks. The 1st fifteen picks are protected.

    So say KC signs Pudge (hypothetically) we wouldn’t get their 1st, we’d instead end up with 2 sandwich round picks.

    The only way we get Detroit’s pick is if he signs back with Detroit after the season.

    What we have to hope is a team from pick 16 on signs him. Then their 1st round pick plus a sandwich pick is ours.

  274. JR Yankees July 30th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Unconfirmed rumor has the Mets inquiring about Pavano…

    mlbtraderumors.com

  275. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    CMon marlins dont be so cheap

  276. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    “The Yankees have been getting calls on Carl Pavano. One unconfirmed rumor has the Mets interested.”

    I guess Cashman has one wish left from the genie whose lamp he’s found. Pavano for Pelfrey?

  277. #9 July 30th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Without Manny – the greatest ‘one-two’ punch in baseball will be dead….

    *Queue evil laugh*

  278. Kelli in Conn. July 30th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    The time leading up to the deadline is like a kid waiting for Christmas morning.

  279. CaptainsCorner July 30th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Heyman said that the Mariners talked to the Rockies about Washburn and the Mariners told them they have to pick up all of Washburn’s money about $15m PLUS they want 2 top prospects. The Rockies thought they were nuts. What a bunch of idiots…

  280. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    It’s going to be exciting to play with the Yankees. A lot of players would like to play there and play with guys like A-Rod, [Derek] Jeter and [Jason] Giambi, catching [Mike] Mussina and those guys,” Rodriguez said. “It’s going to be nice. I’m excited for that. I’m going to be a little nervous in the beginning. Even all the years I’ve been playing this game, sometimes you get excited, too.”

    hes not catching mussina :)

  281. Jeff July 30th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Get a starter now!

  282. Blargh July 30th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Sandwich + 2nd round (in case of the 1st rounder being in top 15), not two sandwiches (thus, less filling)

  283. Guiseppe Franco July 30th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Why do so many people care what Peter Gammons is doing?

    I don’t care about his Red Sox ties. I’ve always liked Gammons and the guy has forgotten more about baseball than any of us will ever know.

    Some people need to give it a break and move on.

  284. #9 July 30th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    “Unconfirmed rumor has the Mets inquiring about Pavano…”

    Hold out for Johan, Cash!

  285. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    man are the angels rotation good

  286. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 30th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Gammons had so many sour grapes when the Pudge deal was announced. Instead of giving props, he tore apart Pudge and called him a bad teammate.

    We’ll see if he’s right, but his blatant homerism is getting sickening. I used to have so much respect for the man, but after telling us in the pre-season Manny Delcarmen was going to be the best reliever in baseball and then later saying, Hansen is the best set up man in baseball, he has lost all credibility.

    His open letter to Manny the other day was the type of garbage you expect on a fan blog, not a news site.

    I hope they trade Manny. It will be the beginning of the end for them and we will smoke them without having to worry about Manny following Ortiz anymore.

  287. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Not sure why we’re inquiring about Schoeneweis. He’s been many kinds of awful for the Mets. Marte is our replacement for Farnsworth, we don’t need anything more.

  288. BBFan July 30th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    There is lot of talk about arbitration to IRod.
    I do not see Yanks offering arbitration irresepctive of IRod being type A or Type B.

    The reason is IRod makes 13 mil this year and if he is offered arbitration he should be paid minimum 80% of 13 mil. That will be 10.4 mil. Once arbitration is offered, Boras may accept it as he did with Maddux or somebody else with Braves. IRod is not worth 10+mil at this stage.

    The only way Yanks will offer arbitration is if Cash has understading with Boras that he will reject arbitration. Yanks being in the picture will increase Boras leverage in negotiations with other teams.

  289. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    why trade pavano? he might be someone we need down the sretch if we dont get any starting pitcher

  290. Terry July 30th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    The people here who bash Gammons are not baseball fans. Any real fan appreciates what Gammons has done and is doing. There might be no better reporter in the game. You give Yank fans a terrible name by bashing him.

  291. Dee Dee Ramone July 30th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    The Yankees have talked to the Mets about Schoenweiss now that they traded Farnsworth

    MLB Trade Rumors

    Schoenweiss for Pavano?

    I think i`d rather see Hughes than Pavano anyway

  292. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! July 30th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    The Yankees have been getting calls on Carl Pavano. One unconfirmed rumor has the Mets interested.

    PLEASE GET RID OF HIM!!! He will just be a type N (N for Nothing) free agent! Meaning, no draft picks from him whatsoever.

  293. gargoyle July 30th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    No brainer.

  294. MJR (Shut Up Steve Phillips) July 30th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    #9

    “Unconfirmed rumor has the Mets inquiring about Pavano…”

    Hold out for Johan, Cash!

    EPIC POST! LOL!!!

  295. pat July 30th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    “Hold out for Johan, Cash!”

    Is that you Hank?

  296. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    “It’s time for me to take the trade and go somewhere else. Right now, I’m going to be there for two months. I hope I can stay there. We’ll see what happens, but at the same time, I’m just going to concentrate every single day there and try to make the Yankees make the playoffs again.”
    – Ivan Rodriguez

    That what u want to hear

  297. hmmm July 30th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    it’s hilarious watching the same group of people who bashed cashman all winter and early spring for not DFA’ing Farnsworth bemoan this trade.

    the yankees sold as high as possible.

    great trade.

    and i am not a big Pudge fan.

  298. Mitchell July 30th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    I heard the Yankees were interested in Scott Schowenweis.

    Maybe Pavano/C-Level prospect for Schowenweis???

  299. Bombshell July 30th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Beckett getting mashed right now despite the Ks.

  300. putter down July 30th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    “why trade pavano? he might be someone we need down the sretch if we dont get any starting pitcher”

    We’ll assume that’s a joke.

  301. #9 July 30th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    2008 NY Yankees: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

  302. Bombshell July 30th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Wow, Beckett fails to back up the throw home, nice fundamentals son.

  303. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    G. Love -

    I think you are wrong about the Pudge arbitration thing.

    Now that he is our property – Detroit’s record doesn’t matter at all.

    You said:

    “We don’t get Detroit’s first round pick if Pudge leaves as a free agent after we offer arbitration and he declines it.

    We get the 1st round pick of the team that signs him and we only get their 1st if it’s not in the 1st 15 picks. The 1st fifteen picks are protected. ”

    This is wrong – Pudge has left Motor City. The draft pick compensation only applies to NYY now.

    If I am wrong – I don’t doubt millions will correct me :)

  304. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    The Angels are slapping Beckett around.

  305. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Boston’s “ace” josh beckett getting rocked! 3-0!!!!!

  306. Yardley July 30th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Pudge can at least get a base hit. Molina just can’t hit a lick. Makes the team better. Now Moeller can go and you can bring up another player.

  307. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    “I heard the Yankees were interested in Scott Schowenweis.”
    Schowenweis is fransworth from the left side

  308. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Even if it’s just for Pavano, Schoeneweis has blown so many games for the Mets the last couple of years. I do not want any part of that injected into our bullpen. We have our lefty now, and we have a ton of arms otherwise, especially if you consider Melancon possibly making his arrival soon.

    Plus, Pavano going to the Mets, suddenly pitching healthy, and helping them in the postseason -would- be a pretty brutal scenario. We’d need more back.

  309. Mitchell July 30th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    “why trade pavano? he might be someone we need down the sretch if we dont get any starting pitcher”

    “We’ll assume that’s a joke.”

    Cashman even said he doesn’t expect Pavano to play in the majors this year.

  310. DFox July 30th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    EVERY Red Sox fan secretly wishes they could trade Beckett for Joba, but they know the Yankees would just laugh in their faces if they ever proposed that trade.

  311. Doris From Rego Park July 30th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    so, this is a dumb question but who will Molina still be the “starter” and Pudge the backup?

  312. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 30th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Um yeah. The Angels scare me. The Yankees better be ready to kick some butt starting tomorrow.

  313. Dee Dee Ramone July 30th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    You know, I have no interest in Schoenweiss. He`s just be taking a roster spot from a guy like Bruney or Melancon. Theirs little point in dumping Pavano at this point unless we get a guy like Washburn.

  314. Bombshell July 30th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    “EVERY Red Sox fan secretly wishes they could trade Beckett for Joba, but they know the Yankees would just laugh in their faces if they ever proposed that trade.”

    Ok now that’s a little strong, Joba hasn’t started a playoff game yet, Beckett’s one of the best postseason pitchers all time and may end up being number 1.

  315. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 30th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    “The people here who bash Gammons are not baseball fans. Any real fan appreciates what Gammons has done and is doing. There might be no better reporter in the game. You give Yank fans a terrible name by bashing him.”

    There is a lot of silly things said on this blog. This is one of them. I used to have a great deal of respect for Peter Gammons. Just because lately I have begun to question him and have found him to be lacking in objectivity at times, doesn’t make me not a real baseball fan.

  316. PBL July 30th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    I understand Gammons is generally a great baseball writer and i like some of his stuff. but especially with the resurgence of the red sox the last five years, gammons has been obviously biased in his analysis of the yankees (which i care about more than all the other baseball work he does combined) and his analysis of the red sox and I don’t like him for that reason.

  317. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 30th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Molina will probably continue to start for Moose?

  318. numbers guy July 30th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Do you relly think if the Sox trade Manny the team will fade?
    I’d love to see it but how much worse were the sox when Ortiz was out? If Drew, Youklis, Lowell, L’il bit of luck get back to hittin’ they’ll still be a threat. Maybe the Sox slumps have something to do with Manny…..still I’d like to see him gone.
    ONE PLAYER DOES NOT A TEAM MAKE

  319. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    “so, this is a dumb question but who will Molina still be the “starter” and Pudge the backup?”

    Pudge is in a differently league from Molina offensively without being much of a downgrade defensively. Plus, he’s Pudge Rodriguez. Molina’s the backup.

  320. Mitchell July 30th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Confucious,

    Odds are, Pavano won’t even pitch in the majors this year. Never mind him being effective. He was only topping out in the mid 80′s in his rehab game.

  321. Dee Dee Ramone July 30th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Uh oh, Doris is back

    Greinke for Pavano!

  322. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 30th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    “it’s hilarious watching the same group of people who bashed cashman all winter and early spring for not DFA’ing Farnsworth bemoan this trade.

    the yankees sold as high as possible.

    great trade.

    and i am not a big Pudge fan.”

    I’m not either, but I will root for him as long as he’s wearing pinstripes. I think Cashman made a smart move given the Yankees situation catcher wise. It makes sense to me from a lot of fronts – not only for now, but for the future of the franchise.

  323. pat July 30th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Yogi is going to be so happy the Yanks got Pudge. He said on one of the YES shows that he loves the way he plays and he gets to NY just in time to see Yogi for Old Timers Day this weekend.

  324. Bronx Jeers July 30th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    “Unconfirmed rumor has Mike Mussina offering one of his prized tractors to the Red Sox in an effort to sweeten the Manny Ramirez deal.”

  325. Jeff NJ July 30th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    I think the Red Sox will trade Manny tonight and live to regret it. They don’t want the Yankees to be the only ones making big moves.

  326. Doris From Rego Park July 30th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    im suing ken rosenthal, btw

  327. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    “Do you relly think if the Sox trade Manny the team will fade?
    I’d love to see it but how much worse were the sox when Ortiz was out?”

    They’ll still be contenders, without question. But they’d also be significantly weaker, especially against good pitching, and especially especially against the Yankees.

    When Joba stifled the Sox, what was the story in Boston the next morning? ‘Where was Manny??’ His absence was such an issue for the team -because- he’s such a force in the lineup. It’s easier to handle if Manny’s not in it.

  328. CaptainsCorner July 30th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    I would think that Cash called the Mets about trading Farns. for Schoenweis. Otherwise the Yanks dont need another reliever since Bruney will be coming back and maybe eventually Melancon. Mets and Yanks dont trade so that would of made sense. Someone the Yanks want to get rid of and the Mets need a Righty reliever.

  329. MoBoy(aka McLovin) July 30th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Manny leaving should make the Red Sox worse.But When Nomar was traded in 2004 I thought the Red Sox would suck but they ended winning the world series.

    I still think Manny makes Ortiz better.

  330. Buzz ( Joba For Rookie of the Year ) July 30th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    “The Yankees plan to remove Moeller from their roster before Thursday’s game to address their bullpen, possibly promoting a reliever from the Minor Leagues barring another transaction.”

    whos coming up?

  331. PreteFunkEra July 30th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    I just noticed something on the bottom of this page

    ‘Bad Behavior has blocked 5265 access attempts in the last 7 days.”

    What is that?

  332. Bombshell July 30th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Anyone else see Manny slap one to left and walk back to the dugout without taking a single step towards first base?

  333. S.o.S.27 July 30th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Whoever said Bay is better than Manny needs to quit watching baseball and go watch fishing on espn on nfl sundays. Bay batted .240 last year,strikes out alot and i dont think puts fear in pitchers. I will pay for Manny’s plane ticket if that trade goes. O.k. maybe i’ll reserve the seat on the plane. I take it back. Mussina will pay for the flight.

  334. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    “Odds are, Pavano won’t even pitch in the majors this year. Never mind him being effective. He was only topping out in the mid 80’s in his rehab game.”

    Hey, if teams are that desperate, they can have him. The rehab velocity doesn’t mean much to me at this point; it was his first outing in a year. I can see a pitching-starved team figuring that he’d be motivated enough by a new contract to actually compete.

    But for Scot Schoeneweis? Might as well just cut him.

  335. Reality Check July 30th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Gammons has been biased his entire career. He use to refer to George Steinbrenner in his Sunday baseball column in the Globe as “Phineas T. Bluster”. And that was 20 plus years ago. He is a diehard bosox fan, who has season tix and sort of plays guitar with the GM. He is a disgrace and always has been. Alittle less disguised now, perhaps due to his brush with mortality. That said, his Sunday column was ground-breaking and was like a blog before the internet was even a gleam in Gates’s eye.

  336. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    I believe “bad behavior” is a spam link filter, correct me if i am wrong

  337. Dee Dee Ramone July 30th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Hawkins to Astros

  338. Reality Check July 30th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Buzz, Bruney is likely the call-up.

  339. PJH July 30th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Tony Pena can now be like “hey yous the guy who my son strucked out”.

  340. Nick in SF but now in Ocean City, MD July 30th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Word of the trade has just reached the eastern shore of Maryland. Thank Jebus. Kyle, thanks for your recent good work and enjoy your time in Detroit!

  341. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    “Hawkins to Astros”

    Lordie lordie. Dare I say Oswalt?! :D

  342. Candy O July 30th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    “When asked about the possibility of Manny Ramirez being traded away from the Red Sox, New York Yankees starting pitcher Joba Chamberlain responded ” If Boston goes through with it, I’ll promise not to throw a fastball at Youklis’s skull for at least a month, maybe even two.”

  343. PBL July 30th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Jayson Stark is reporting we’re close to sending Hawkins to the Astros for a low-level prospect

  344. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    richard justice says: hawkins to Astros….

  345. AlbanyYankee July 30th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    I wonder if the Hawkins trade was for a player to be named later. That would be two PTBNLs they owe us (Bo Hall).

  346. JR Yankees July 30th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Astros just aquired LaTroy Hawkins

  347. S.o.S.27 July 30th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    ““Hawkins to Astros”

    Lordie lordie. Dare I say Oswalt?! ”

    Your selling Cashman short. Berkman or no deal!!

  348. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 30th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Bad behavior is a filter that stops spam.

  349. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    “Jayson Stark is reporting we’re close to sending Hawkins to the Astros for a low-level prospect”

    Aww. Either Brian’s Miracle Machine has run out of gas, or it’s just warming up for tomorrow.

  350. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    “Word of the trade has just reached the eastern shore of Maryland. Thank Jebus. Kyle, thanks for your recent good work and enjoy your time in Detroit!”

    Screw the trade – can you please share your thoughts about the re-emergence of Trisha on the blog?

    (let me remind you, you are under oath)

  351. Hellboy July 30th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Beckett, Ha, jinxed ya!

  352. ErfanK July 30th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    hawkings to astros!

    http://blogs.chron.com/sportsj.....s_get.html

  353. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    7:23pm: Jayson Stark says the Red Sox are trying to get Stanton, Ryan Tucker, and one of Willingham/Hermida for Ramirez.

  354. pat July 30th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Marlins beating the Mets 5-1 without Manny.

  355. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    From what Bruney has shown in his rehab, his control looks to be off. It never was great, but it seemed like earlier this year he was harnessing it. I hope they don’t throw him into a big spot to start.

  356. JR Yankees July 30th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Are we getting anything in return for Hawkins or do they just pay the remaining salary?

  357. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Are STanton and Ryan Tucker good?

  358. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    “7:23pm: Jayson Stark says the Red Sox are trying to get Stanton, Ryan Tucker, and one of Willingham/Hermida for Ramirez.”

    We have been down this road before, with a team not wanting to give up too much for Manny, then the discussion just fizzling. This time it’s a bit different on account of the team option — much friendlier contract. Hold out as long as you can, give Manny some time to put extra pressure on the front office, but get the deal done before 4 tomorrow!

  359. Reality Check July 30th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Well, Greinke’s brother has pitched 4 innings for SI tonight, allowing 1 run with 2ks. C’mon, Zach, come keep your brother company.

  360. Reality Check July 30th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Well, Greinke’s brother has pitched 4 innings for SI tonight, allowing 1 run with 2ks. C’mon, Zach, come keep your brother company.

  361. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    stanton 6’5″ outfielder single A top 5 prospect in baseball.. has 28 dingers already. dont know about tucker

  362. Reality Check July 30th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    sorry for double post

  363. Bombshell July 30th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    “Are STanton and Ryan Tucker good?”

    Stanton is 19 and one of the best prospects on any minor league farm. Tucker I haven’t heard much about.

  364. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Stanton’s 18, but he can rake. He’s Tabata without the baggage (so far). Tucker’s a back-end type starter.

  365. The Fallen Phoenix July 30th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    G Love -

    Correct on the FA arbitration pick. If a team with one of the top 15 picks signs a Type A free agent, they lose their 2nd round pick instead.

    Granted, a 2nd round pick is definitely not as valuable as a 1st round pick, but that’s still one more pick (+ supplemental) than Farnsworth would have netted this off-season. And as has been mentioned before, if Pudge accepts arbitration (which I’d put at a 40-60 shot, since he might be able to get a multi-year deal on the market), Cash can always explore eating some salary and trading him over the off-season.

  366. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    I think the marlins could almost afford to wait… If this deal doesnt get done tonight, its better for the marlins, the longer they wait, they more pressure manny puts on boston’s front office and the less they will require in return. Surely no one would claim manny off waivers after the trade deadline.

  367. Bombshell July 30th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    “He’s Tabata without the baggage (so far).”

    And a ton more power.

  368. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    According to Richard Justice of the Houston Chronicle, the Astros acquired LaTroy Hawkins from the Yankees. The Yanks will receive minor league second baseman Matt Cusick in return. Does this set up a deal for another Astros reliever, or are the ‘Stros just trying to close the 9.5 game wild card gap?

  369. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    I don’t see how the Marlins can make this move for a 2-month rental. Unless they truly believe they have a chance to win it all. I just don’t see it. Their pitching is a little…suspect.

  370. SJ44 July 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Stanton’s power is to be determined. His home ballpark is a homer friendly place. Nice prospect for A Ball though.

    Ryan Tucker is a former first round pick of the Marlins. He is a back of the rotation starter at best. Nothing really special about his stuff. A good battler. He’s not one of the Marlins Top 2 pitching prospects.

    Hermida or Willingham are ok but, neither guy is close to Manny Ramirez.

    That would be amazing to see the Sox deal Manny for that package. If it goes down that way, it means they really want him out of Boston. That’s a very light package for Manny Ramirez.

    G Love, thanks for the clarification on the draft picks.

  371. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    this yrs stats on cusick…

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....l_id=84288

    his college stats:

    http://usctrojans.cstv.com/spo.....att00.html

  372. NongEyeJon July 30th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    I think the upside of Hermida and Stanton (based on what everyone is saying) is a risk the Sox are obviously willing to take, even if it means not winning this year…I guess.

  373. gayle July 30th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Nick I will be there in 2 weeks dont kill the town for me.

  374. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Stats for Matt Cusick…the yankees received him for hawkins.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....l_id=84288

    his college stats:

    http://usctrojans.cstv.com/spo.....att00.html

  375. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Stats for Matt Cusick…the yankees received him for hawkins.
    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....l_id=84288

  376. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    “Nothing really special about his stuff. A good battler.”

    That’s Boston’s type of player. They do have an excellent scouting system. Maybe they see something more to the kid than anyone else does.

    But pretty much anything you can envision would be light for Manny. If it’s the Marlins that hold this deal up, it would be insane.

  377. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    SJ –

    Now that Pudge is our property – Detroit’s draft status has nothing to do with his value, no?

  378. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 30th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    sorry for the multiple posts it didnt show up when i reloaded, so i resubmitte.

  379. Confucius July 30th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    “I think the upside of Hermida and Stanton (based on what everyone is saying) is a risk the Sox are obviously willing to take”

    And even if either one does achieve his upside, very slim chance that he’ll be Manny. Manny crosses the barrier from great to special.

    If any bigtime outfielders get dangled in years to come, expect the Sox to be involved and Stanton to be tradebait.

  380. Bombshell July 30th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    “I think the upside of Hermida and Stanton (based on what everyone is saying) is a risk the Sox are obviously willing to take, even if it means not winning this year…I guess.”

    Even without Manny the Red Sox are still a massive contender, their starting pitching is formidable and still have a solid lineup to say the least. Bullpen is the weak spot. That’s where they can get seriously exposed down the stretch.

  381. Bombshell July 30th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Garret Anderson goes Pesky Pole on Beckett, 5-2 top 6.

  382. Al from BK July 30th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Wow the Angels look scary Boston on their way to 8 losses in a row.

  383. Al from BK July 30th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    When do the Yanks next play the Rays I want them one on one.

  384. Patrick â„¢ July 30th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    “Now that Pudge is our property – Detroit’s draft status has nothing to do with his value, no?”

    I’m not sure I understand your question. Pudge is a type A or B depending on how he plays. However the compensation the Yankees recieve is also dependent on how Detroit plays. If Pudge is a type A and the Tigers have one of the top 15 picks then the Yankees don’t get the Tigers 1st round pick. In that case they would get a sandwich pick and the Tiger’s second round pick. However if the Tigers are 16th or higher the Yanks would get the 1st round pick and a sandwich pick. (This is all dependent on Pudge being a type A free agent)

  385. Patrick â„¢ July 30th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Ahh yeah my bad I confused myself..

    What I meant to say is that the Yankees compensatory picks are dependent on the team that SIGNS Pudge, not Detroit.

  386. RayBlay July 30th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Teixeira 0 for 4

  387. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    “Ahh yeah my bad I confused myself..”

    Who cares about you – what about my needs?

    (oh sorry – that was from my ex-wife!) :)

  388. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 30th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    “Teixeira 0 for 4″

    He’s no Xavier Nady! :)


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