In the end, Krazy Kyle cried
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 30, 2008 
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It’s no great secret that I had little faith in Kyle Farnsworth. As well as he has pitched in recent weeks, you always knew Krazy Kyle was just waiting to emerge.
Joe Girardi knew it, too. He practically sprinted to the mound at Fenway Park on Friday night when Farnsworth put two runners on base in the eighth inning to bring in Mariano Rivera.
The Yankees sold high today, which is what you always should do.
Farnsworth was literally in tears when he heard about the move. Holding tight to his son Stone, he addressed reporters and said he didn’t want to leave.
“I just have to go with it,” he said, his voice breaking. “I definitely wanted to stay here. But baseball is a business. This happens. You have to deal with it.”
Give the big guy credit, he cared. He also listened to Dave Eiland and made himself better. Wouldn’t it be something if they tried to sign him back as a free agent?
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Pudge Rodriguez is an obvious upgrade on Jose Molina. And while Brian Cashman said this trade has nothing to do with 2009, the fact remains that Jorge Posada just had major shoulder surgery.
But Rodriguez is not going to be offered arbitration. He will make $13 million this season and the Yankees aren’t about to give him an automatic raise. Rodriguez’s $13 million, by the way, was why Posada wanted $13.1 million a year from the Yankees. Just to prove a point.
The Yankees will DFA Chad Moeller today, hope he clears waivers then bring him back on Sept. 1. As for the open spot in the bullpen, it likely goes to Brian Bruney.
The 8th inning candidates now: Bruney (once he gets settled in), Damaso Marte, Edwar Ramirez and Jose Veras. Girardi can play matchups and see who takes the gig.
Name to remember: Mark Melancon. Heard today that he has room on his innings limit. Cashman also spoke about players trying to force their way into the mix. That could well be Melancon.
Thanks for reading today and all the comments. I think we’re close to 2,500. Seriously, you all need to get jobs or talk to your kids or something.
Good i never had fiath in him
Good job by Moeller and Molina but we needed a first string catcher like Pudge. The Yankees should put Brueny in the eight inning role if he performs like he did at the start of the season. Melancon will be a good option but not right now. If an injury occurs or someone is struggling than Melancon deserves a shot. I also see Hughes and IPK coming in to help the bullpen this season.
BTW Pavano could be traded according to mlbtraderumors but that seems very unlikely in my opinion.
Farnsy and Hawkins gone….nice ! Pudge, Nady AND Marte to replace them….PRICELESS !
I feel bad for Kyle. He was pitching good, but it had to be done.
I really hope Moeller clears. He is a good catcher to have in your system. Him and Rasner had something going. Lets hope Pudge and Rasner can continue it.
If the Yankees dont offer Pudge arbitration, then we will lose out on a possible 2 draft picks. It would be worth it to offer Pudge arbitration and risk bringing Pudge back for another year from arbitration in order to have an insurance policy in case Jorge cant come back quick enough.
By the way Pete, I have a job, I just go onto this site everyday while I am at work. It will be hard to keep me off the computer tomorrow, since it is the deadline
my kids post on here too. And they’re 4 and 2 years old!!
I’d offer, take the risk. If he accepts, trade him for more prospects. What’ve you got to lose?
I think the arbitration offer could be made with a concrete promise of limited playing time (or trade to a crappy team) should he accept
I have kids?!?!
i have a job, i just worked from home today
“Thanks for reading today and all the comments. I think we’re close to 2,500. Seriously, you all need to get jobs or talk to your kids or something.”
Pete you’re making it though on us with such a great blog, seriously you’re the father of the blogs.
Thank you.
er Pete… this year’s 2008, I think you mean 2009?
The other side is – the Yanks tell Irod that Posada is the everyday catcher and he’s the backup. He’s out the door faster than a Youk ducking a 100 mph joba fastball. Also – Boras is his agent. Don’t think he’s going to take a 1 year when he’s 37. He’ll be looking for another Posada type deal. Offer the arbitration. He won’t take it.
if you had a decent registration scheme here to reduce the troll trash, you wouldn’t have half those hits, so cool it on the gratuitous sarcasm please!
whats a good red sox blog? want to see what they are thinking and feeling at this moment
http://www.rotoworld.com/conte.....038;spln=1
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Report: Manny, Bay, Hermida trade agreed to
Manny Ramirez – OF – BOS – Jul. 30 – 9:52 pm et
Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus says the Red Sox, Pirates and Marlins have agreed to a three-team Manny Ramirez deal, pending Ramirez waiving his no-trade clause and league approval.
Carroll, not normally one of our preferred sources, has the Red Sox getting Jason Bay and John Grabow; the Marlins acquiring Ramirez, cash and a prospect from the Red Sox and the Pirates picking up Jeremy Hermida, two prospects from the Marlins and one from Boston. Jul. 30 – 9:52 pm et
Source: Baseball Prospectus
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More great Yankees news….and MORE to come…Washburn will be a Yankee by 4pm tomorrow, bank on it !!!
I don’t have any kids and my desk at my job is yards away from my boss’ office so, you know.
just curious – is there a you tube of that tearful farewell of kyle’s anywhere?
His son’s name is Stone? Stone Farnsworth?
Pretty badass.
Which prospects would be quite interesting – the Pirates better get value for the Bay —> Hermida drop.
I’m not against them bringing him back at all.. I like his arm a lot and I was always on that bandwagon. For now, it’s a good move as it upgrades our line-up once again and what Pudge can bring to a young pitching staff is priceless. I hope to see Krazy Kyle back here next year still
http://theblogofchampions.com/?p=161
is there a video of Farnsworth tearing up? I missed the post-game show and want to see it. Thanks
just curious here – but’s what’s with the washburn love? I konw ponson and rasner aren’t great, but getting washburn isn’t like landing duscherer or kazmir. It’s… washburn.
This NESN postgame is like a funeral.
If this Manny trade talk is true, BOS will live to regret this day. No one hates Manny more than I do, but that team will not be the same w/o him. The guy can hit. He has a lot of faults, but you can’t deny that he’s a dangerous hitter and a Yankee killer.
I don’t know which of Manny’s antics finally pushed BOS management over the edge, but it must have been something even we don’t know about to get them to pull the plug. My guess is that his teammates finally turned on him and didn’t want him around.
“He’s [Edwar Ramirez's] a cute little fella, doesn’t throw very hard and doesn’t have very good stuff,†Millar said, adding later: “I wasn’t expecting a ball at my neck, I was looking to go to Monument Park in left-center. But the most important thing is they did throw him out.â€
Couldn’t disagree more, Pete. This is Scott Boras we’re talking about here. He’ll think there are enough teams desperate enough for a catcher to give Pudge a multi-year deal. They’ll also know there’s little room for him on the Yanks with Jorge coming back.
http://theblogofchampions.com/?p=160
this site reviews the pudge trade
I’m sure “They don’t deserve me” had something to do with it.
I will admit that I was upset with Kyle many times but we often forget that the players care and that they must move and adjust all at once to a new town. I know they get millions but it would be tough for us to be told by a boss – move to the office in this city in two days.
You know, Florida has no shot of resigning Manny or offering arbitration.
So the the team that signs him as a free agent wouldn’t give up draft picks. What if they traded Matsui for a firsy baseman and has Manny DH
This is just innocent speculation BTW
Kyle is too much money for an inconsistent 8th innning guy. It was hard watching him address the media, he really liked it with the Yankees (why when the fans are all over you?) but he does not make sense for the team.
Best of luck in the future and hopefully he’ll be just as happy (and rich) wherever he lands in the future.
SOx will be better without him
I really liked Kyle, he gave me a ball in BP so I feel some love there. But really, this was a great trade selling high. Pudge is a major upgrade over Molina. Pudge won’t be back next year…but the draft pick will be nice.
Is anyone really surprised that Kyle cried? If I were being traded from the most prestigious franchise in the world to DET, not only would I be crying, they’d have to take me to LaGuardia kicking and screaming. We’re lucky that all he did was cry!
I still hope Washburn is not a Yankee tomorrow.
Pete,
Any relief pitcher in the league gets into a 2 on 1 out jam in the 8th with a lead and Mo available, Joe would sprint to the mound!
The only miscalculation from today was not having Farnsworth stick one to Millar’s head instead of Edwar. If he gets suspended so what, that’s the Tigers problem.
Laura has obviously been to Detroit
““He’s [Edwar Ramirez’s] a cute little fella, doesn’t throw very hard and doesn’t have very good stuff,†Millar said, adding later: “I wasn’t expecting a ball at my neck, I was looking to go to Monument Park in left-center. But the most important thing is they did throw him out.â€
Proof that Millar is still the idiot he was in BOS.
“You know, Florida has no shot of resigning Manny or offering arbitration.”
Why wouldn’t they offer arbitration? Manny’s made it clear that he wants to be a free agent. That’s the whole reason for all of this.
Pete –
1. In regards to Kyle, I didn’t know you were so sentimental.
2. You’re doing a public service, Pete, in keeping us off the streets!
If you think Pudge won’t be offered arb you’re crazy, they’re not going to leave 2 draft picks on the table for a Boras client who wants to start. The Yanks will offer arb, he’ll decline, and go to the highest bidder
Marlins will offer Manny arb because they know, he has said publically he wants to be a free agent and go get paid. Again 2 picks on the table, they won’t miss out
I was never a big fan of Farnsy, but he did grow on me this season. He may not be the most reliable 8th inning guy during his years here, but he did appear to have a better make-up than Randy Johnson in NY. I saw RJ act like a spoiled child on the mound on bad days. Farnsy would at least act like a man, a man that just gave up a homerun. I believe he has the stuff, he may just lack the smarts to fully utilize it. I may be the only one, but I am not that confident in Bruney. His stuff always seemed a little flat.
I’m not sure how this move turns out but it looks good on paper. As for a job and kids…17 is too young for both.
Pete- Sign him as a f/a? I hope you’re just kidding? Been there, done that. Time to cut the losses and move on. I will admit that Cashman is doing a good job before the deadline. If he can get a starter, I’d give him an A. Right now he’s at a B to B+, because the bench still stinks. If we got Matsui back, it would be huge.
““He’s [Edwar Ramirez’s] a cute little fella, doesn’t throw very hard and doesn’t have very good stuff,†Millar said, adding later: “I wasn’t expecting a ball at my neck, I was looking to go to Monument Park in left-center. But the most important thing is they did throw him out.—
Next one’ll bean his as$.
“Which prospects would be quite interesting – the Pirates better get value for the Bay —> Hermida drop.”
Mike Stanton is a stud outfielder. He’s as far away as Tabata, but much much more valuable. Presumably, they’d also get Hunter Jones. He’d be their (probably) immediate replacement for Marte.
For as much crap as I’ve given Kyle, and I’ve given him his fair share, I’ve always kind of felt bad for the guy. Yeah yeah, he makes millions playing baseball. I get it. But he worked hard, got himself rewarded with a nice contract in NY, and just as things seemed to be coming together, he gets shipped out. Honestly, and this is probably the softy in me, the fact that he was sitting there clutching his kid with tears in his eyes, makes me feel for him. The stress he gives all Yankee fans when he comes in certainly won’t be missed, but here’s hoping he has a great rest of his career.
well i got fired today from my summer job.. soo now i have all the time of the world to be on this wonderful site
Actually, IF Farnsy’s a type B FA, it might not hurt to sign him to a 1 year deal – if he’s a Type A FA AFTER 2009 (in that scenario), let him walk.
Why wouldn’t they offer arbitration? Manny’s made it clear that he wants to be a free agent. That’s the whole reason for all of this.
True, I was thinking they wouldn’t take the risk but he probably wants a 1 year deal.
I`m a little giddy now and didn’t really think this through. Still might not be a bad idea though.
i hope the yankees dont get washburn he is a waste i think they should go after peavy
Can’t Pete add “theblogofchampions” to a filter so that guy doesn’t keep spamming it all over the blog?
From ESPN regarding the Hawkins trade:
“LaTroy gives us another experienced, quality arm for our bullpen,” Houston general manager Ed Wade said. “We tried to sign him during the offseason and lost out to the Yankees, but we are happy to have him here for the remainder of the season. He gives [manager] Cecil Cooper one more weapon to call upon late in the game.”
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I’m sorry but were they watching the same games I was? Quality arm? Weapon? The only way Hawkins’ arm becomes a weapon is if he start hurling at the batter.
34hughes,
Yeah, Okay. LOL
Pudge is a good up grade for this year. He is not the player he was but, still better then what we have.
Now, if we could trade Melky for a #4-5 starter I’d be happy. We already have a couple of guys to take his place; Brett and Justin would be an up-grade. 27/08?
“Why wouldn’t they offer arbitration?”
Cause Manny might be crazy enough to accept it because he thinks its fun to play for a team with cheerleaders.
stop spamming links to that blog already
Wait Marlins have cheerleaders?
pat you are probably right =]
I wasn’t the biggest Farnsy fan but it’s sad to hear that he was emotional over it. He did get alot better this season. They make alot of money but man, at the end of the day it’s still about human beings.
The Manny Ramirez trade conversations are expected to continue into Thursday, according to a source. Because it’s a very complicated deal, involving a player who has the right to veto the trade and other parts, it is still unlikely to happen. But the negotiations will go on.
“I`m a little giddy now and didn’t really think this through. Still might not be a bad idea though.”
Well, we’d give the draft picks to the Marlins instead of the Red Sox, which would be a positive. I’m torn on signing Manny, though, and don’t really want to consider it until December. Our front office as is almost certainly won’t go in that direction.
I still hope Washburn is not a Yankee tomorrow.
You and me both, brother.
Bye Manny.
why not mitchell ipk,melky,cox, for peavy
where’s rebecca?? I want her take on this!
c’mon beckster it’s a yankee fan party night!
“i hope the yankees dont get washburn he is a waste i think they should go after peavy”
wow, really?
you like peavy better than washburn?
what do you think it would take to get Peavy? Shelley Duncan? what if we throw in Rasner?
that’s a pretty steep price, i can see why Cashman wouldn’t want to do that.
“He’s [Edwar Ramirez’s] a cute little fella, doesn’t throw very hard and doesn’t have very good stuff,†Millar said, adding later: “I wasn’t expecting a ball at my neck, I was looking to go to Monument Park in left-center. But the most important thing is they did throw him out.â€
Hahaha, what a loser. It would have been really cute when Edwar K’d him! Enjoy life on the Orioles, punk.
http://theblogofchampions.com/?p=160
LOL at Peavy.. we trading away Brett Gardner for Peavy?
Its sad to see a player who didnt want to go get shipped out, but Pudge will help us fill that hole..
Kevin Millar’s a punk.. its not like the ball hit him.. Arod took the hit like a man and said good things, Millar’s whining about how he woulda have hit it out.. Funny cuz Millar’s comments can be turned right back at him.. not that good..
“I still hope Washburn is not a Yankee tomorrow.”
why not? he is an upgrade over the current #4 and #5. If Seattle caves and dumps his salary for nothing, it gives the Yankees a better chance of winning this season. Look at Washburn’s recent #s. He isn’t an ace by any means. But an average #4 or #5… you bet. And that’s all they need right now.
pete can you add that blog to your spam filter?
I’ll welcome you back Farnsy, I always liked him even when everyone else didn’t.
I wonder what Millar’s quote would have looked like Joba came in and threw a 100 mph fastball at his head.
With that quote, he should be expecting it next time they face the Yankees. What an idiot.
“why not mitchell ipk,melky,cox, for peavy”
b/c that’s a terrible deal for the Padres?
No way Farnsy takes reduced price after this season. No way.
Boston Dave,
Cause we have the extra pieces to do better than that. And if Moose is gonna have another late season swoon, I want good insurance.
season isn’t over yet
Did I miss Peavy becoming available?
where are the comments from millar
“If Seattle caves and dumps his salary for nothing, it gives the Yankees a better chance of winning this season.”
That’s a lot of money owed, though, for a marginal pitcher. Before you say ‘these are the Yankees, they don’t care about money’ we’ve seen that this regime -does- care about money.
Today’s trade was a total surprise. Even though there’d been rumblings about Ohlendorf with the Pirates, that one caught us off guard too. Maybe something else unexpected happens — Bannister, perhaps.
Otherwise, I’m perfectly willing to see what Kennedy gives us. We have a strong top 3, our offense has been considerably upgraded, and any combo of Wang, Hughes, or Kennedy could give us a boost going into the playoffs.
to me, being a yankee means loyalty to the yankee way. Farnsworth deserves something for showing so much devotion despite what he has been through over the past couple of years; I don’t know about everybody else, I haven’t cheered for him much, but I am going to cheer for him next time whether he’s in pinstripes or not.
Farnsworth’s reaction is on YesNetwork.com
Brandon,
have you heard any inside manny news. is this a done deal?
Anyway, I personally like Kyle. although it was kind of hard to like him last year, any beef I’ve ever had has been with his pitching. Over past few years, people have talked a plethora of smack about him not being a “winner” and whatnot, but FWIW, even through his struggles I’ve always thought he was a relatively stand-up guy.
I love this trade, it was one that you HAVE to make when the opportunity presents itself. But I will miss Krazy Kyle. I’ll definitely always regret that we never got to see him stomp someone in a Yankee uniform!
So long, pr0FF3ss0r, and godspeed.
He’s packed and ready to go. I said I was told Phillies, Dodgers or Marlins, it looks like it will be the Marlins.
Peavy’s not being traded. The Padres just extended his contract this past winter.
Maddux is a possibility. Maybe the Yankees explore that one tomorrow. :\
Hmm….interesting… now that Todd Jones has blown is 4th save in a row and zumaya hurt… does farnsworth now become part of the closer puzzle for detroit???
We’d be crazy not to offer arbitration. At his age, he likely shops around for a 3-year deal and declines arbitration, anyway. Then we get the 2 picks.
Even if he accepted, Posada is probably a DH/1B at this point, anyway. Use Pudge for a year, and wait for our catching prospects to get more seasoned.
It doesn’t make any sense not to offer arbitration.
I’m going to have to pull a “brandon” here. I seriously hope the Yanks get rid of Betemit, and trade for Jeff Keppinger. Keppinger is a better bench player than Betemit in every catagory: situational hitting, defense, decent obs, and hardly strike out.
Remember 2 years ago when Chacon was doing really bad, and somehow Cashman traded him for Craig Wilson at the last minute? I will have faith in Cashman from now til tomorrow at 4.
it doesnt matter if just sign an extension they need better positions player they almost have a triple a lineup except for gonzalez
“I said I was told Phillies, Dodgers or Marlins, it looks like it will be the Marlins.”
If you were told that the Phillies or Dodgers are involved, you need new sources.
A proposed trade to the Marlins was just sent to the commish’s office.
packed, but is boston ready to let him go?
I felt really bad for Kyle. He really did look very upset.
They just showed it on ESPN News.
So Millah, Edwar is a cute little fellah?
Guess his big brother Joba has his back.
Watch your head (I mean tuchas) in Camden in a few weeks…
Ed I’ve been want Keppinger since last year. IDK why they don’t attempt it. Keppinger can play a bit of COF, all inf positions and has a great bat w/ RISP.
“i hope the yankees dont get washburn he is a waste i think they should go after peavyâ€
I can only hope this is supposed to be some sort of a bad pun regarding guitar equipment.
I’d still like to see the Yankees do the Washburn trade, if Seattle is willing to be at all reasonable.
Stone Farnsworth is a good name. But it’s not Blaze Borowski!
The marlins cheerleaders are smoking hot!!!
watching farnsy in that video on YES, almost made me cry…Makes me feel like at least he gave his heart and sole everytime he pitched here, even if he did suck most outings.
I think Pudge will be offered arbitration. Cash knows that he won’t accept a 1 yr deal to be Posada’s back-up. With Boras as an agent he is going for 3 more yrs at least . Remember this is the guy who went to Detroit when they really really stank, because they signed the biggest cheques.
I can see Boston making a move for him. Varitek is cooked and they have the cash to make it happen. It’d be great to rob them of their 1st round pick.
If somehow he does accept arbitration they could just trade him. As a 1yr proposition he’d be good value for a number of teams.
Also Cash values these picks a lot now. He knew there was a good chance Farnsworth would have netted him a 2nd round pick next yr. He would have been reluctant to lose that if he didn’t think he’d get something back from Pudge next yr.
This Blog is my first and last read of the day. Abraham, you are good! And, like my two kids have their own kids!
Maddux was asked if he would waive his NTC for Philly and said no. Rumor is he wants to stay on the West Coast and Dodgers are a possibility.
“I can only hope this is supposed to be some sort of a bad pun regarding guitar equipment.
maybe seattle will throw in Ibanez?
If you were told that the Phillies or Dodgers are involved, you need new sources.
A proposed trade to the Marlins was just sent to the commish’s office.
Dude I posted this at freaking 11 AM I was texted message first the Phillies or Marlins and then later in the day around noon Rebecca was here it was in the gamethread I posted Philly, LAD or FLA, try to keep up, 40 minutes after I said this ESPN reported it.
Amazing. The Tigers come back from 8-1 and 11-7. Then Rodney blows the 12-11 lead in the 9th.
It’s like they’re shouting ‘we don’t need Pudge’ and ‘we desperately need Farnsworth’ at the same time.
Its funny….Farnsworth didnt show much emotion until he was traded. I guess he liked getting booed. Dude makes 6 mill a year to work one-inning. He’ll be fine.
I would sign Farnsworth after this year for the right price.
Me too, Michelle. I actually teared up a little myself seeing that.
“Seriously, you all need to get jobs or talk to your kids or something.”
Pete – don’t you understand?!
It’s the jobs and kids that make us come here – we want to get away from them!
“I was told Phillies, Dodgers or Marlins, it looks like it will be the Marlins.”
Where do you get this info from? I want to be told things! lol
Brandon, maybe today will be the last day of Betemit’s status as a Yankee?
Also, he really is Krazy Kyle. You’d have to be “Krazy” to name your kid Stone.
“That’s a lot of money owed, though, for a marginal pitcher.”
#3 and #4 starters are getting 4yr/48M contracts these days. Pitching is at such a premium that Washburn’s contract, while a little too high, isn’t horrendous. Considering they’d only need to pay him for essentially 1yr, it’s not a big deal. It’s much better than handing out long term deals to pitchers. Maybe Wash will pitch well in his contract year next year, hoping for one more payday starting in 2010.
Either way, getting Washburn without giving up anything significant, is a good move.
“Dude I posted this at freaking 11 AM I was texted message first the Phillies or Marlins and then later in the day around noon Rebecca was here it was in the gamethread I posted Philly, LAD or FLA, try to keep up, 40 minutes after I said this ESPN reported it.”
My trusted sources say you need to calm the #%@$ down.
I have Pudge on my Yahoo fantasy team.
He’s:
-#9 ranked catcher this year
-#15 in the last month
Jose Molina is
-#42 ranked C for the year
-#29 in the last month
-#3 ranked Molina
Anyone know what’s Pudge’s CS %? Hard to beat Jose’s arm this year.
Regarding Manny, I hope they do make that trade. I’d rather see Bay at bat with the game on the line than Manny every day of the week. And I think Bay is overrated in general anyway. Also, if Manny helped the Marlins take the division from the Mets, I’d LOL.
Regarding Jeff Keppinger, I’d love to add him, but does Cincy have a SS of the future or something? Otherwise why would they deal him? He’s cheap, versatile and productive.
confuscious on top of that it was since Saturday I told you guys Manny is not happy in Boston, he has had it w/ Theo and Red Sox FO..everyone said nah I don’t see it.. I told you guys he’s getting traded as a matter of fact my words were (I wouldn’t be surprised come the deadline Manny is in Philly) today in the morning Florida of all teams came through the backdoor.
Hey, the Tigers play the Rays this weekend. Wish you nothing but success Kyle this year, except on September 1st.
it goes to the commish office because cash is involves. brandon’s been on this from the word go.
My trusted sources say you need to calm the #%@$ down.
WUZAH !
Interested Reader, just yesterday you said that the Yankees wouldn’t be making anymore trades because “cashman told you” lol
Learning is fun!
“Considering they’d only need to pay him for essentially 1yr, it’s not a big deal.”
But you’re also creating a logjam. We’ve got all these kids in the minors. It looks like Hughes (despite what Cash says) and Kennedy will both return this year. A Sabathia signing (much as I hate to admit it) is pretty much inevitable.
‘You can never have too much pitching,’ as the saying goes. And this would be an upgrade over what we’re using now, undoubtedly. But 14 million? When he could very well be a #6 starter next season? Ehh.
I feel bad for Farnsworth, even Girardi seemed choked up about it. I wish the guy well.
Confucius reeks of Hmmmn, same gratuitously provocative stench.
Most of you know that I was a Kyle supporter from jump street and never jumped off. I am really sad, and sadder still that if effected him the way it did. This to me is the post that said it all:
“They make alot of money but man, at the end of the day it’s still about human beings.”
I can only hope (and imagine) that the conversation with both Cashman and Girardi dwelled on the fact that with Jorge out for the rest of the season they really needed to have a strong back-up catcher especially if they expect to be in the postseason and that if it were not for that they wouldn’t have considered trading him.
I am also happy that Kyle has a lot of friends on ther Tigers who will welcome him there. And you know he will get a lot of playing time. But it still makes me feel like crying when I think that he is not with the team any longer. He really had turned things around. I can only imagine that if Joe Torre had managed him the way Girardi did, he may have been money for us from year one.
Anyway, Godspeed Kyle. You really worked your tail off for us and you are part of the reason that we are still in the mix.
I forget which poster asked me last night why I was happpy that the Sux lost on the same night we did and my response was that it helped us not lose any ground and kept us in a position to do exactly what I know we’d be doing – moving up.
And so we picked up another game on the Sux. Onward and upward.
I already put myself on the line by predicting that we’d take 3 out of 4 from the surging Angels.
GO YANKEES!
Anyone know what’s Pudge’s CS %? Hard to beat Jose’s arm this year.
I think it’s 35 or 38 % , Tony Pena will improve him there. Seriously Tony needs an extension.
lol hmmm. I always secretly enjoyed the irony of him and Washburn being teammates.
Manny is a total jerk. Boston has to get rid of him… boston dumped Nomar 4 yrs. ago and you remember the end of that story.
manny should be blackballed from baseball he is one bad disturbed dude.
Kyle will never be back in NY. The yanks whole pen except moa and maybe marte next yr. will be young guys homegrown….they will save a ton for there pen.
if the yanks do not pitch well against the Angels they will be made to look silly, they have to bring there A game.
Cashman so far has made great moves and protected there minot leagu system… the future is bright regardless of what happens the rest of this year.
I have my issues with Arod but I never ever have doubted his caring to win, be great, and dedication… Manny should learn a lesson from arod who often does not come thru but always trie his hardest…
Brandon – I’ve got to call it a night, but I just wanted to say – you’ve been THE source for manny news. Have a good night.
Yazman
Steve Philips said tonight it was about 1% less than Molina.
For what it’s worth I thought Kyle had progressed a great deal, it looked like Girardi having confidence in his abilities was paying dividends. The trade fills a void the team couldn’t address internally, and I believe there is enough depth in the farm system to maintain a solid bullpen even after taking Farnsworth out of the equation. I wish Kyle well with Detroit.
Betemit cant do this:
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....8;c_id=cin
OR THIS:
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com.....8;c_id=cin
You’d have to be “Krazy†to name your kid Stone.
Tell that to Stone Phillips’ parents…
Once again Boras has taken a victim. Stupid Manny has drunk the Boras Kool Aid, just as Arod had drunk it. Only while Arod has at least as little sense, Manny is an idiot.
my sources says manny delcarmen has made a deal with pizza hut for a large pie with peperoni
manny deal is done.
Trisha – Looks like Fernando Rodney just blew a save for Detroit, after only being moved to the closer role a short while ago. So hopefully Farnsworth will at least have an opportunity to close there. He is a good guy and I’m glad he will remember his Yankee days fondly.
Farnsworth hasn’t been getting booed all that much this year. I think he tried very hard to do well. I wish him well, even though there were a lot of games where you had to hold your breath with him on the mound.
The guy has good stuff, but he can’t always harness it.
The Manny trade almost has to be done. The RS organization drew a line in the sand and Manny danced on it. They can’t fine him enough for it to have impact, they can’t suspend him as it would be overturned, they sit him and it just takes up a roster spot without any return.
This trade period has been quite an interesting one this year.
Brandon – I’ve got to call it a night, but I just wanted to say – you’ve been THE source for manny news. Have a good night.
Goodnight man and I really don’t deserve the credit all I did was take the word from someone I trust who is closely in contact w/ his people. Sort of like playing telephone. See there are benefits in being close to people in Washington Heights.
Trisha,
Nice eulogy for Farnsy. Your new ID should be (Retire Farnsworth’s # in Monument Park)
“Manny is an idiot.”
Yeah, but when he’s standing in Shea Stadium wearing that Marlins uniform and helping to bury the Mets a little bit further, I’ll be cheering every hit.
Pete- and you need to lay off the buffet and try a salad
Yeah, but when he’s standing in Shea Stadium wearing that Marlins uniform and helping to bury the Mets a little bit further, I’ll be cheering every hit.
In his warped mind Manny would take it as a compliment he will be remembered for killing both NY teams if that happens.
if * (when)
“Confucius reeks of Hmmmn, same gratuitously provocative stench.”
what the heck did i do?
recently i mean
On a semi-random note, when I told my mom (a very casual baseball fan) about this trade, she expressed distress over Molina’s playing time getting cut into. But thinking about it, this trade benefits him more than almost anyone. He gets to return to his natural role, he’ll still catch Moose every time out (I hope?) And since defense is his bread and butter too, he can feel good about knowing he is leaving the all-important regular catching duties in the capable hands of someone who won’t cause the defense to suffer a bit.
Ah, you know I love you, hmmmn.
“of someone who won’t cause the defense* to suffer a bit.”
*or pitching
edit button pls
Poor Fernando Rodney. It really kills me to see guys like him really taking the pipe. I remember watching him I think it was last season closing game after game after game and blowing every save. It hurts your heart for those guys to see that happen.
Hopefully he will be put into the set up role and Kyle can close and it will work for both of them.
BBB the only bright spot of the night is that I am watching NESN right now and got to see a repeat of their postgame. If I really had the head for it I would watch the whole game. All I really want to know at this point is who in hell gave up the runs!
Melancon looked like AAA will be a s hard as AA was..
2 innings and donuts across the board….
He has to be a Sept callup and strickland deserves a chance also……I know Strickland is 30+ but i think he has really had a nice year..
I wonder what the hell are the Mariners doing they are clueless..
All you need to know about bullpen guys is rafael betencourt and jensen Lewis… THey were phenomenal last year and this yr. a disaster……
““Confucius reeks of Hmmmn, same gratuitously provocative stench.â€
what the heck did i do?
recently i mean”
I have no idea who you are, dude. Do you know who I am?
But anyway, Confucius say no one can really be provocative; someone can only be provoked. One of those Eleanor Roosevelt consent things. She was very smart too, just like Confucius.
lol, K-S.
and i meant to give you props for your posts on Greinke the other day.
Beckett had a rough outing tonight and the sux had 4 errors, 3 in 1 inning.. the ylook spent, they need to move manny the moron….
BBB, I would hope that Molina is the main catcher and Pudge is his back up!
so the MArlins are less than 24 hours away from landing Manny Ramirez and Bengie Molina (maybe the NL has to start taking them serious now)
Trisha,
The Angels hit Beckett hard, and then pounded on their bullpen a bit. Red Sox looked very sloppy, numerous errors and the usual Youk whining over strike calls. Manny was booed during his at-bats.
Nice to see you back…
Pudge isn’t backing up anyone in the sport. How could you want four days of a .225 hitter and one day of a .295 hitter? A .295 hitter who’s caught full-time before, which Molina hasn’t.
They really booed Manny during his AB’s? Wow, I didn’t see the game, but thats just incredible to me.
Not that I blame them in the least, really.
According to many credible sources, Boston Red Sox shortstop Julio Lugo has offered his soul to the Jersey Devil in exchange for a six-month supply of human growth hormone and a mechanical right leg.
This weakens the Red Sox AND helps a team become a legit threat to the Mets?
Sounds good to me.
Was interested to check career stats from some top all-time catchers I’ve seen play:
Here’s an interesting one: 90+ RBI seasons:
Pudge: 2 (but 4 additional years of 80+)
Fisk: 2 (both over 100)
Munson: 3 (all 100+ — he had no additional 80+ or 90+ RBI years)
Posada: 5 (plus 2 80+ years).
Bench: 7 (6 of those over 100).
Hip hip Jorge
P.S. this I did not know !
Do not just tell me a couple of teams I need names dammit !
Angel,
You could definetely hear boos during his at-bats, not overwhelming, but they were there. Once the Angels put the game out of reach the place was as silent as a tomb.
http://theblogofchampions.com/?p=160
the above site reviews the pudge-farnsworth trade
dont the Reds need pitching? maybe send Pavano and Betemit to them for Keppinger?
Has everyone apologized to me yet for the zach greinke trade rumor?
Operating Room Scenario
Posada:(groggy,coming out of the effects of anesthesia)
“Am I alive? Am I okay?”
Doctor:
“You’re fine. But Pudge Rodriguez has your old job.”
Posada:
“Ahhhhhh! I must have died and am now in the depths of Hell”
http://bostondirtdogs.boston.c.....8_nesn.jpg
could someone please tell me why do i see a fan wearing a Yankee jersey and a Cubs cap at the Brewers/Cubs game?
FrankDiscussion, thank you for saying that. Thanks also for the update also on Beckett. It makes me feel better by inches. This fans stuff can be a very strange trip. Because I had felt so protective of him, I kind of had a connection with Kyle Farnsworth – not of course that he ever knew it.
So I was always so very happy when he started to become the pitcher some of us knew he could be. I truly believe that his progress was a direct function of the treatment he received from Girardi, and some help from Eiland.
Well I’ve felt really sad tonight since I heard about the trade, sad to the point where I have become teary thinking about it. It’s amazing how connected and attached we can become to the players who play for our favorite teams.
I’ve learned to ignore the comments of posters who appear to have no souls. No matter how much disdain you might have had for Kyle, to laugh about the fact that he cried when he heard about the trade really speaks volumes to me about someone’s capacity for compassion.
Pavano has no trade value. Nor does Betemit.
That’s hilarious, Bronx Jeers. Sadly too true, but hilarious.
“Pudge isn’t backing up anyone in the sport.”
I’ll believe that when I see it. It is like the Yankees are bereft of hitting right now in case you hadn’t noticed. I seriously doubt that we would have Pudge if Jorge were still in the lineup. So this is about backup catching and making sure that Molina has help. Or are you thinking that Pudge will come in and take right over?
That’s almost funny.
Catching isn’t about offense. Offense is a bonus.
Pavano has no trade value. Nor does Betemit.
so did Shawn Chacon 2 years ago, but we traded him for Craig Wilson. remember?
“the above site reviews the pudge-farnsworth trade”
That’s not a review. It’s some Yankee fan’s immediate reaction. Doesn’t even give the Tigers’ side and it doesn’t explore the benefits to the Yankees beyond pointing out Pudge’s role on winning teams.
The Yankees don’t need ‘fire’ and ‘energy.’ The Yankees need runs and good pitching.
Exactly. Craig Wilson.
“Or are you thinking that Pudge will come in and take right over?”
Yeah, that. If that gives you a laugh, I’m glad you got something to cheer you up.
Pudge is not Mike Piazza here. He’s one of the sport’s most formidable presences behind home plate.
Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!’s here}
July 30th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
“They really booed Manny during his AB’s? Wow, I didn’t see the game, but thats just incredible to me.
Not that I blame them in the least, really.”
Hi Angel…I just entered a posting on the earlier thread about the whole Manny saga so I won’t repeat all that here.
But I was at the game last night for the near no hitter. during that game the only time I heard some pretty significant boos for Manny was when he hit the ball to third and really only jogged to first base.
On a different note I have been impressed with the trades you guys have made in the last week. I think the Yankees are a stronger team than just a few days ago!
I realize exactly who Pudge is. But I also realize who the Yankees are and how they operate. My belief is that they are not going to dis Molina by promoting Pudge over him. I think you will see that Pudge will slowly earn his stripes and not get the bulk of the catching, though I expect he will not be held for one day out of five.
That’s how I think it will play out. We’ll see if I’m right or wrong.
“Has everyone apologized to me yet for the zach greinke trade rumor?”
I’ll apologize… on the condition that you hold your breath until I’m ready to do so.
Hey guys, please don’t jump on me. I have already admitted my shock (and relief) at the Manny trade and have credited your team with great playing and trade deals.
I can’t remember the last team I have seen this team play so poorly for a week. That series against you was brutal (though we did battle in Game 1). Then the Angel came in and just dominated. The Sox just cannot beat them. Even at home.
The whole Manny situation is sad IMO. For the first time in my life, I witnessed empty seats at Fenway at the end of the game. The fans were sick of Manny’s attitude and comments and frustrated with the lack of passion from the team. Manny’s situation has been weighing down the team. I’m relieved he is leaving, but stressing about our minor leaguers that are also being traded.
Guess I’m not surprised, Frank.
He didn’t exactly endear himself to Red Sox fans with his comments to ESPN Deportes today.
Trisha,
I apologize if my post stung you in any way. It wasn’t my intention. I really thought you said some nice words about our fallen comrade. I broke the news of the trade to several other fans outside the loop and they were all shocked as they thought Farnsworth was doing great. He certainly was earning his stripes.
On the brighter side Kyle wasn’t traded for some scrub or some unknown prospects. He was traded for a future HOFer and you should take pride in that. If in the end Pudge ends up putting us over the top, we can all thank Farnsworth for being worthy of this trade.
Your loyalty to Kyle is commendable.
Angel- you are not even a regular here so i dont care if you apoligize or not
“That’s how I think it will play out. We’ll see if I’m right or wrong.”
Ok. :\ Don’t know how else you could be convinced.
“I’m relieved he is leaving”
Trust me, you aren’t the only person on this blog who is. If it happens.
gammons is saying the pirates are holding the deal up right now because they are unhappy with the prospects they are getting. look for them to resolve this last minute. hopefully theo doesnt come to his senses in that time span. also, sox are off tomorrow so this is all anyone will be focused on in new england
Red Sox Fan, your organization put up with that idiot’s shenannigans far too long, though I realize that nobody wanted to pick the loser up last year and so he found religion there again. There is no question that Boras has stirred the pot here because unless Manny leaves Boston Boras has no money in the deal. Boras is the antiChrist and feeds off people like Manny. He tried to do the same thing with Arod only Arod ended up having enough sense to push Boras out of the way. I fear Manny’s brain power is nowhere near that level.
redsox fan.. manny is a bum.. I hate the sux but they have bent over backwards for manny and he is now a total cancer and must go…
epstein is a
smart guy the sux will be fine…
Farnsy’s crying is making me emotional. I feel so bad for him. It must suck to be in his position. Though it probably gives us an advantage in resigning him this off-season if he liked it that much here. It shows you that he’s a quality guy when he’s sad to leave after all NY has put him through.
Oh there you are, Ray. I was wondering earlier tonight what you thought about the whole Manny thing. Is your post earlier on this thread?
Doris, I’ve been posting on this blog since almost the beginning of it, actually.
of course Pudge is going to start. is that really up for debate?
Molina will keep catching Moose and maybe 1 other game per week.
the yankees just upgraded their lineup AND their bench.
And on that topic, Gammons now saying the Pirates want more from Boston.
The Pirates -have- to settle for Stanton and Hunter for Bay (assuming that’s the deal). What more could they want for the kid when he’s on his way out in a year?
Please Manny leeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaavvvvvvvvve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Thanks Bronx for saying that. You certainly weren’t the person who said he laughed when he heard Kyle cried, though I don’t remember who it was. I realize that Kyle sometimes kept us on the edges on our seats when he came in to pitch, but the guy really did turn it around, and he really was proud to be a Yankee.
I also understand that we probably wouldn’t be looking at this if Jorge hadn’t gone down and I can only hope that Kyle understands the context in which it happened.
Thanks again for the understanding.
sure angel. sure.
Hey Angel…I have a longer post near the end of the last thread.
And by the way, whoever says you are not a regular on this blog simply does not know what they are talking about!
Great sell high move and if Pudge does better in 2008 at season’s end than he did in 2006 he will be a type A free agent getting us a first rounded and a sandwich compensation pick…so two first round picks and Pudge for Kyle Farnsworth. Wow.
Angel said…
They’re terrible homers the Detroit guys, you’re right Phee. I’d had about all I could I take of them last night, but given a choice between them and ESPN.. i’ll take the FSN homers ANY day, lol.
I always want to do the Chicken dance when i hear him with his “back back back baaaaaaaaaaaacks”
5/31/2006 07:29:00 PM
Wanna apologize yourself, Doris?
I still find it hard to believe that Manny is going to get traded but what a remarkable thing if he does.
I like Jason Bay as a player. Grabow is a good LOOGY.
Losing Manny will be devastating to the Sox. There is no way to make up for the loss of his bat. None. You could wait 30 years as a franchise and not get that kind of bat.
He’s a career .999 OPS player. You just don’t find 1.000 OPS players.
One of the big things that made Manny so valuable was that he was right handed. Its so hard to find right handed bats. And the number of right handed bats like Manny’s in the history of the game is very small.
Mike Schmidt was a career .907 OPS hitter. Think about that. Schmidt was a .907 OPS hitter. I know its another era but Manny is .100 OPS points better than Schmidt. That’s amazing. Manny is that good. It’s astonishing.
Manny is a much better all around hitter than he is a home run hitter and for that reason its can be easy to underestimate how devastating his bat is. He’s never hit 50 home runs. But he’s a much better power hitter than players who have hit 50 home runs.
For teams like the yankees and sox, teams with deep talent and resources, the number of players on the field becomes the limiting step to assembling a team. There’s only 8 position players. Who you slot into those 8 spots is critical – in certain ways the “supply” of positions is in greater shortage than the “supply” of talent.
There’s no way to replace a 1.000 OPS player. The best you can hope for is to make up the offense over 2-3 positions. Tough to do for the sox with Varitek at catcher, Lugo at SS, and Drew already having close to a career year.
People in Boston are saying Manny’s not the player he once was. Perhaps. But he’s got a .932 OPS this year. That’s 5th highest in the AL.
Manny’s declining as a player… yeah that’s a nice thing to try to convince yourself of just as you’re getting ready to trade him.
Fact is – like ARod last year – he’s irreplaceable. No matter how you try to convince yourself otherwise.
Pete, at the moment there are over 2800 comments today
Coming out of ST, imagine if someone told you on July 29th that our roster would include the likes of
Pudge Rodriguez, Sidney Ponson, Richie Sexon, Xavier Nady, Jose Veras, David Robertson, Justin Christian, Damaso Marte, Edwar Ramirez, Dan Giese, Brett Gardner, Darrell Rasner… you would have thought wtf. How did those assortment of players end up here?
Only 12 of the 25 players on the team were on the opening day roster.
Opening day BP – Rivera, Farnsworth, Hawkins, Albaladejo, Ohlendorf, Traber, Bruney
Current BP – Rivera, Marte, Veras, Edwar, Robertson, Giese
LOL Ray, I’ll go look for your earlier post.
Unfortunately for Doris, there are things called archives which show when I started posting – I dont even think that was my first post – just the first one I found. As if I’d say something like that when I know full well I’d look like an idiot for lying and its easy enough to check.
I believe that Molina has a higher rate of throwing out runners. Catchers are not necessarily known for their offense. I guess I’m missing something here. In any event, there’s a lot of time to watch this unfold. I still doubt that Pudge is coming here to take Jose’s job but maybe I’m not thinking so clearly.
As with everything though I will wait to see how it plays out. I have a history of paying little attention to anything put forward by posters on forums mainly because there is never unanimity, if you see what I’m saying. So I typically listen to what the organization has to say and then just watch it unfold. This will be no exception.
Welcome to Pudge, in any event.
Stuart and Trisha – I agree. Manny said earlier that “The Red Sox don’t deserve me.” I think that he doesn’t deserve the Sox.
I’ve always supported Manny and ignored his um “antics.” However, they are not acceptable when he isn’t bringing in runs and the Sox aren’t winning. I just hope the deal is in fact carried out.
“so two first round picks and Pudge for Kyle Farnsworth. Wow.”
After the Nady-Marte deal. It’s voodoo. Cashman has set this team up. If they don’t make the postseason it’s squarely on Girardi, not Cashman.
If he gets something crazy done with Igawa and Pavano tomorrow, I’ll be ready to deify him.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/m.....mirez.html
Jason Bay is a great hitter. Not much of a fielder but a great all-around hitter. And Grabow is a solid reliever. That being said, Manny being gone is an obvious blessing in disguise and even though the trade makes the Red Sox a more well-rounded team, I am soooo happy him and his .500 average against the Yanks could possibly be out of here. Halleluiah!
i have no kids and cant find a job, just a bored 17 year old interested in yankee news
If we get Manny out of here it changes the whole dynamic of the Sox… Ortiz is walked in big spots. Jason Bay is a good hitter but believe me he isn’t the protection that Manny was. PLEASE TRADE GO THROUGH!!!!
“I guess I’m missing something here.”
What you’re missing is that he’s a 14 time all-star. With defensive -and- offensive credentials. With a great track record on championship teams.
Molina is a career backup. He’s never been anything else, and he doesn’t have the kind of offensive ability that would lead you to believe he ever will be. Catchers don’t need to hit 40 home runs or drive in 100 runs. But if they’re .220 hitters, they’re creating huge holes in their lineups. Ask the Red Sox and their fans how they feel about Varitek right now.
Not sure if this was posted, yet, but, the 2nd baseman that NYY received for LaTroy Hawkins, Matt Cusick hit a homer and had 2 RBI today, before the trade. Gives him a .290 average and 9 homers. I would assume that either he or Snyder (Charleston) will be moved up to Tampa.
Don’t know whether SJ or CB are still on, but, if they are, can you tell me whether the Yanks are fast tracking outfielder Tommy Baldridge or not? Seems strange that after being drafted this year, he’d move from the GCL to Tampa within 3 weeks.
CB
I don’t think anyone would argue that Manny is not a great hitter and obviously if a trade is made the player will not have Manny’s hitting ability.
With that being said, how long can any team let a highly paid player only put forth half an effort sometimes, and not even play if he does not feel like it?
Management literally forced Manny to play after the first game against the Yankees. They insisted that an MRI be done on his knees and the results looked good. Manny was telling some player at that point that he might not play for two or three weeks! How long can a team tolerate that kind of thing no matter how good the player?
I think the bottom line is that most teams would not want Manny because he has more baggage than most airports. You probably know that the Sox put Manny on waivers a few years ago and not one team claimed him. That says something.
Trisha: “I’ve learned to ignore the comments of posters who appear to have no souls. No matter how much disdain you might have had for Kyle, to laugh about the fact that he cried when he heard about the trade really speaks volumes to me about someone’s capacity for compassion.”
Compassion? I’ve honestly wondered if you were the devil in the past. You’re an ugly, ugly human being who shames the yankee fan base.
“My belief is that they are not going to dis Molina by promoting Pudge over him. ”
I honestly think that Molina will not have any problems stepping aside for Pudge. Jose is a good teammate and knows Pudge, a certain HOF, is better with the stick. Pudge IMO is one of the top 3 catchers in the history of the game, and Molina probably would even be a little uncomfortable with starting ahead of him. He’s a guy that Molina and every other catcher looks up to.
That’s why this is a perfect acquisition imo. I feel a lot better about this than I do about benching Jose for somebody like Gregg Zaun, and I was sure that that was the kind of scrub we’d end up with. Cash has really knocked my socks off on this one.
“The whole Manny situation is sad IMO. For the first time in my life, I witnessed empty seats at Fenway at the end of the game. ”
Redsox Fan,
As a yankees fan I can’t say I’m not happy to see all of this happening but as a baseball fan I agree with you.
The whole thing is really pathetic. Manny ruined what should have been a wonderful relationship between a player and a city. Just burned it up and threw it in the trash because it meant so little to him.
You think of the great pure hitters in the history of the game, obviously Ted Williams jumps out first and foremost.
We all know he hit .406 in 1941. But that may not have been even the most amazing part of that season for him. His slugging percentage was .735 that year. .735! His on base percentage was .553. That is mind boggling – I literally can’t wrap my mind around that. An OBP of .553. That’s a 1.288 OPS in a year. Again, I can’t even conceive of that.
You think about players like that – players most of us never got to see and that’s what baseball is about.
But the game always renews itself and I know I’ll remember seeing Manny hit for years.
He’s nowhere near Williams as a player – but then who ever was or could be?
We’ll never see a player like that again – but when you think of left field in Fenway – that’s who you think of.
I never saw Williams. But Manny may have been one of the best 2-3 pure hitters I ever saw. A guy who could hit any pitch, do anything he wanted with the bat. A guy who was always relaxed at the plate and capable of damaging any pitcher.
Just remarkable. And it is sad that he’s just closed things out in such an ugly fashion.
Ray, I found your post and read it.
I tend to agree. This latest bout of Manny being Manny, (albeit more extreme than past episodes) has the fingerprint of Scott Boras all over it. Boy, does that man know how to stir the pot or what?
It will be a blow to the Sox, but it might be addition by subtraction as far as the strain its putting on the team, coaches and managers. I agree with you – how long could they let this go on with him pulling himself out of games, and not playing at 100% when he was in the lineup purely to spite them and make some kind of point? It seems like he’s finally lost the support of his teammates too, and I think when that happens the only solution is to make a break, for the sake of the guys who are out there giving it 110% every day.
This has been one of the better seasons for trades. A lot of movement between teams. Cashman has come up with a decent number of trades that have looked pretty strong.
The one weakness remains a SP to take one of the Ponson/Rasner slots. I think Ponson is the guy they are looking to replace. With the trade deadline looming, who knows what Cashman may find out there. I find it hard to believe that he will stand pat at this point.
The Yanks don’t need to DFA Moeller, right? Only 39 players on the 40-man roster at the moment and activating Bruney from the 60-day DL would give them 60. All we need to do is demote Moeller, right?
“With that being said, how long can any team let a highly paid player only put forth half an effort sometimes, and not even play if he does not feel like it?”
In this case, it certainly looks like he’s forcing the team to move him. But if they don’t, what does he do? Mail it in the last two months of the season? Just to show how upset he is? Doesn’t strike me as something a guy who’s after a big contract and, perhaps, a career legacy would do.
As for all his usual antics. I’d take them with the production.
SoxFan,
You know as much as I hated Manny I always realized that it was only because he wore that uniform and because he wreaked absolute havoc when playing us. I always had a great deal of respect for his talent and even found some of his antics mildly amusing. That catch-high five= double up at first play was amazing.
But when Manny starts sitting out and losing his competitive edge, I have to write him off. In a way it’s crazy for me because the last straw was Friday when he took himself out against the Yanks. I was happy and disappointed at the same time. A player of his magnitude should be dying to be in the lineup that night.
Obviously the Sox weren’t going to pick up his option and he cried about it. He should know better and that this is business.
I hear what he is saying given the Sox history with their fading stars but he’s not doing himself any favors as next year he will be looking for a job.
Here’s to a Mannyless Sox lineup! I know I,m looking forward to it whenever it comes.
“With that being said, how long can any team let a highly paid player only put forth half an effort sometimes, and not even play if he does not feel like it?”
I’ll take “Miguel Tejada’s Oriole career” for $1,000, Alex?
Hey, so apparently someone bought Batman tickets for me and thus I disappeared.
So, since i’ve been away since six, what’s happened?
Other than Manny throwing the Sox under the bus and the Yankees now tied in the loss column with said Sox.
Confucius – I am one Sox fan that wants Tek in the lineup every day. To compare him and Molina is not very fair to him. He is in a slump – a very long one, but a slump. He’s had hits and walks over the last few games and showing encouraging signs.
With that being said, I would say that Pudge is a much better catcher than Molina to have in the lineup. Tek’s slump has hurt the Sox, just like Molina’s hitless ABs have hurt the Yanks (I watch many of their games since I get YES).
I was wondering though, how long is Pudge with you guys – only this year or is it more? If so, how would you want Molina, Jorge, and Pudge to be juggled next year?
As posted on MLBTraderumors.com…
Marlins get: Manny Ramirez, cash, prospect from Red Sox
Red Sox get: Jason Bay, John Grabow
Pirates get: Ryan Tucker, Jeremy Hermida, one prospect from Red Sox
If this happens…Sox are trading one of the most feared hitters in baseball, paying his salary and 2 prospects for Jason Bay and John Grabow?
Theo must be looking to move to Pittsburg next year
Pudge’s numbers have been better when he’s platooning. I’m guessing 4:3 or 5:2 starts for Pudge.
The Yanks don’t need to DFA Moeller, right? Only 39 players on the 40-man roster at the moment and activating Bruney from the 60-day DL would give them 60. All we need to do is demote Moeller, right?
He doesn’t have any options and will be DFA’d. He can only be demoted if he passes through waivers.
I think thats what I’ve found so frustrating about Manny. No question the guy is one of the best hitters in the game. I have no problem acknowledging that. But he’s so flippant with the talent he’s been given. Uses it when he feels like it, and deprives people of it as punishment, when he doesn’t get his way. Its a criminal waste – imagine what he could be if he gave 110% all day every day. There are guys in the game with half as much natural talent who have earned their spots with sacrifice, hard work and perseverence.
FREE CHRIS BRITTON!
“I was wondering though, how long is Pudge with you guys – only this year or is it more? If so, how would you want Molina, Jorge, and Pudge to be juggled next year?”
He’ll be a Type A free agent at the end of this season. If we offer him arbitration and he declines (the consensus prediction, Pete’s notwithstanding), we get the two draft picks.
Anyway, here’s my 2 cents on the Manny situation. I agree that he’s being childish and ridiculous. He’s acting exactly like Sheffield did when he was approaching his club option year with the Yankees. Only, instead of “put me in the lineup, fresh off an injury, in a new position OR ELSE,” it’s “I’ll keep ducking out of the lineup till you give me what I want.”
I remember how angry I was when Sheff pulled this garbage so I can imagine Sox fans’ angst with Manny now. Personally, I can’t believe grown men, professionals, actually conduct themselves like this. Pathetic.
That said I will agree with Manny on one thing, his comments about how the Sox treat players like they’re disposable, and then, when the FO decides they are no longer needed, turns the fanbase against them. It is my belief that this is exactly what they did with Damon. Which, if that’s what they want to do, fine, but I’m glad the Yankees don’t treat their players like that.
of course I’ll never really know whats going on behind the scenes, just my impression.
Is he in jail?
Pudge’s contract ends after this year, so for now the Yankees can still pencil in just Posada/Molina for 2009
*after this season, rather
BTW, this is random, but while we’re talking about Manny. I’m not the only one who assumes he heavily puffs the sweet cheeba, right? Just wondering.
“You’re an ugly, ugly human being who shames the yankee fan base.”
Gee and I always thought the world of you, what was your name? Dave? Dave.
Pudge is definitely the everyday catcher. Molina is not used to playing everyday like Girardi was using him. He already wasn’t hitting and it was just going to get worse when he got even more exhausted. He was being abused.
Heh, my friends are wondering why I’m interested in Manny.
I told them that I think it’s kind of funny.
Thank you everyone for not just simply bashing Manny and the Sox. I really appreciate it. He is undoubtedly one of the greatest hitters and I think it’s very sad how his last AB in a Sox suit happened.
I also agree with most of your points. I look at it this way: yes, this move may cost us the post-season. I’m ok with that. Not only is it impossible to win a WS every year (despite many fans’ beliefs), but we can always look to start 2009 free from Manny controversies. However, I’m hoping the team regroups in tomorrow’s off-day and rallies.
If that Manny trade is true, the Sox didn’t do too bad. Grabow has decent #’s but who knows how he’ll handle the AL east and this race. Bay’s good as well. I think he’s under control for next year too like Nady.
Yankees get Washburn and one other starter tomorrow to take Razz and Pontoon Boat out of the rotation and SWEEP the ANGELS….IF they have to send those 2 slugs out there, then we are looking at a split at best….Cashman, DON’T FAIL ME NOW !
BBB, Manny smokes big time.
“can you tell me whether the Yanks are fast tracking outfielder Tommy Baldridge or not? Seems strange that after being drafted this year, he’d move from the GCL to Tampa within 3 weeks.”
GB7,
Baldridge was a college player and a 4th year senior. He’s a couple of weeks short of 22.
He was way too old/ experienced for GCL ball. I think they just stashed him there for a bit.
It’s interesting that he’s in Tampa now rather than staten island. He was a 33rd round pick so I can’t imagine they think that highly of him. If I had to guess I’d say it was a numbers game that had him wind up in Tampa.
“BBB, Manny smokes big time.”
Gee, I never would have guessed.
BBB – I don’t agree with your statement about the Sox FO. I think the reason the Sox turned against Damon is that after all he accomplished in a Sox uniform and against the Yanks, he went and joined them. Plain and simple. What would you do if one of your big guys joined the Sox?
I think the FO is pretty smart, all things considering. They do not hold onto players for too long, despite their career numbers. They look to the future, not the past.
Also, Manny has the right to think whatever he wants about the FO. He should NOT voice,however, all of his thoughts to the media.
i heard he used to sneak into the monster between innings and light up
This isn’t even akin to the Red Sox trading Nomar the team getting rejuvanated from the trade.
This is going to change how every team in the league plays the Red Sox. The days of being terrified of walking Ortiz and having to deal with Manny will be over.
I don’t care if it’s Bay, Lowell, Drew or Yastremski batting behind Ortiz, the opposing pitcher has a lot less pressure on them. A lot of big innings for the Red Sox were born from Ortiz and Manny piling it on the pitcher.
Despite the reports, I still think they are calling his bluff and it may not happen.
But if it does happen, that clubhouse and lineup will have taken a big hit. Yeah, Manny is a pain, but his presence in the lineup gave that team a swagger I think they start to lose if he’s gone.
And he’s right about how the Red Sox treat their older players. If anyone else doesn’t see there’s a pattern there where the team, Gammons, ESPN and the columnists all turn in unison against these guys before showing them the door, they are blind.
Manny calling them out like he did pretty much guaranteed Varitek getting an extension just to prove Manny’s comments wrong. That’s how Boston rolls.
We may be dumb for signing Jorge for 4 years, but when this team makes moves like that it sends out the message to all the other players in the game that the Yankees are loyal and care about their guys.
Boston can’t claim that and I think this current regime is going to watch it fall apart as quickly as they watched it rise up for them.
Manny is going to Florida.
Pack the bags Sox.
anyone else a little worried with Pudge catching Andy tomorrow? Andy isnt really known for shaking off calls and Pudge doesnt know Andy.
“how long can any team let a highly paid player only put forth half an effort sometimes, and not even play if he does not feel like it?”
ray,
I agree with you – this was an awful situation Manny carefully orchestrated (ok – manny with the help of boras…).
But as you know better than I do the line with him has always been as wobbly as licorice.
The year they put him on waivers it looked like things were over. When he took September off in 2006 it looked like things were over.
In these kinds of relationships – the ones that are completely dysfunctional its tough to say when things are over.
I’m still not buying that he’s going to get traded.
But whether or not it needs to be done doesn’t change the fact that he is irreplaceable. And I like Jason Bay.
There’s been a lot of talk about manny being on the downside – I also don’t buy that at all. Not at all.
He goes to Florida – he is going to rake. He will torture that division. And I have no doubt that he’ll have no problem hitting in that monstrous park.
But you know all of this better than I have.
He had to go. But it has to hurt – a lot – for the Sox. You just can’t replace him.
http://www.rotoworld.com/conte.....038;spln=1
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Report: Tentative Manny deal reached
Manny Ramirez – OF – BOS – Jul. 31 – 12:00 am et
An AL source told the Palm Beach Post that the Red Sox, Marlins and Pirates have tenatively agreed to a three-team deal.
The source said a tentative agreement was reached about 10 p.m. Wednesday, or essentially the same time Baseball Prospectus reported it. Other sources have since said that a deal isn’t done, but since his is a new report saying it’s agreed to, we’ll add it to the mess. The Palm Beach Post has the Marlins getting Manny Ramirez and a prospect from Boston, the Red Sox acquiring Jason Bay and John Grabow from Pittsburgh and the Pirates acquiring Jeremy Hermida, Ryan Tucker and two prospects from Florida. That makes this the first report to “confirm” that Tucker is in the deal. He’s a significantly better prospect than any of the three pitchers the Pirates just acquired from the Yankees. Jul. 31 – 12:00 am et
Source: Palm Beach Post
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and when he becomes a FA, we tell him that he needs to stop smoking the ganja, get a real haircut, shave his face, wear a uniform that is actually his size and promise not to cause ANY trouble and he can be a Yankee on the team that is trying to go back to back championships !
Does Millar have a brain? This is what he said about Ramirez throwing the ball at him:
“He’s a cute little fella, doesn’t throw very hard and doesn’t have very good stuff,†Millar said, adding later: “I wasn’t expecting a ball at my neck, I was looking to go to Monument Park in left-center. But the most important thing is they did throw him out.â€
What an idiot. Big talker for someone hitting .240…
G. Love: It’s kind of amazing–to be completely honest, before Manny made the comments he did, I highly doubted that he would be traded, but after the comments, I’m not sure how Boston can keep him.
I mean, how do you keep a player that doesn’t want to play for you?
is there really and debate that espn has a love affair with the red sox. check out the main page right now. of all the things that could be highlighted in their “Quotes” section, they choose to put up a Red Sox fan’s blog about the Yankees. And it’s not even a relevant quote. Ironically, the Red Sox blog praises Cashman’s moves, with a small caveat about the Pudge deal being maybe unnecessary. Meanwhile, ESPN jumps all over it and puts it on the main page. Anything to bash the Yankees while the Red Sox are floundering.
“anyone else a little worried with Pudge catching Andy tomorrow? Andy isnt really known for shaking off calls and Pudge doesnt know Andy.”
Pudge knows AL batters. His game calling is second to none. So, no, I’m not worried.
For those who care, Jeff Karstens has been promoted to the big team in Pittsburgh and will pitch today against the Cubs.
GLove – Your team’s moves have resulted in the largest payroll in baseball and a very old team.
Please do tell me where that “swagger” has been, for I have none of it since the ASG. In fact, I have heard of complaints from several different players concerning Manny.
Though I do agree the lineup is taking a big hit. But there are 29 other teams out there with no Manny and they manage to win games. I’m hoping the day-off and freedom from Manny’s issues will help the team bounce back.
Nevermind, just as I say that, espn changed the quote.
CaptainsCorner- I didn’t see that whole quote about Millar. I hope he gets drilled in the back when we see them again.
Both the Yankees and Red Sox get a corner outfielder and lefty reliever from Pittsburg.
It’s on.Whats great is the Red Sox line-up without Manny(holds record for most homeruns in the post-season) will not make Ortiz any better.
Red Sox Fan: the Yankees have had the highest payroll in the league for ages.
on baseball tonight they just showed manny in the dugout holding a sign that said “i’m going to green bay for brett favre straight up”
I think Manny’s gonna be a little exposed in a “regular” park. Especially in the NL. No more gift hits off the monster, a whole lot of extra real estate to cover which is really bad for him and no 1/2 days as a DH. We’ll see. Still, If he does end up in Miami, I know the Met fans are going to be crying tomorrow.
Years from now when Manny is HOF eligible he is no shoe-in for his first year as the writers are asked to consider character and sportsmanship during the election process.
Well, the Palm Beach Post report now states that the deal could collapse, per Boston sources.
If this deal does fall apart, the Sox can at least claim that they made an honest effort to trade him, offsetting some of his bitterness. In fact … you could make a wild guess that they’re orchestrating the whole thing for just that purpose — keep him under the best circumstances possible. That’d be just a wild guess though.
Rebecca – I know, I wasn’t saying that Jorge’s contract resulted in the highest payroll. I was saying that the Yankee “loyalty” has cost them a lot of money.
Also Trembley said:
“I thought if anyone was going to throw a pitch at us, it was going to come from Chamberlain and not RamÃrez,†Trembley said. “It was obvious as the nose on my face that he was throwing at Millar. But he has to do what he has to do to defend his team, and that’s what he did.â€
It is unfortunate that Joba is now looked at like a head hunter.
Red Sox Fan,
Don’t talk payroll with me. Your team is about to pay the Marlins 7 million just to get some prospects back from FLA.
And what did you spend on Dice K total? Could you remind me of that?
Your payroll is just as bloated as ours.
And as for the swagger, your lineup with no Manny is not even as close to being good as it is with him.
This would be like the Yankees taking Arod out of their lineup. Remember what that was like here earlier this season?
Bay’s a nice player, but he’s not Manny Ramirez. Anyone trying to sell him as such is selling oceanfront land in Arizona.
cb, i appreciate the info on Baldridge. I was curious because he didn’t seem overwhelmed in Tampa, so far, judging by the numbers, but, it’s early. He had a couple of homers and was hitting about .290 in the GCL, and .400 in Tampa in just a few games, but, like you, I would have thought Charleston at most.
I see that Tim Battle is finally starting to hit and show some promise in Tampa. He and Eric Duncan have really been disappointing, though, in fairness, injuries and Battle’s cancer had to really stunt their growth as players.
One other thing – as I wrote before losing Manny is irreplaceable.
That said if this deal is finalized and the Sox pick up Bay and Grabow then they will have done very, very well for themselves.
This was a terrible situation for Boston – to come out of a completely unworkable situation with Bay, an all star caliber palyer and Grabow, a good lefty reliever is a very good move.
Boston was stuck but they still got good value back. Theo once again shows how good a GM he is – that’s a remarkably complicated deal to pull off – 3 teams, large contracts, etc. – and to pull that off in a 1-2 days is very impressive.
They could have done much, much worse than Bay and Grabow. Given how disruptive Manny had become its a very good trade for the Sox.
They are still very dangerous and will be in the race all year. They still have the best starting rotation in the AL East.
“i heard he used to sneak into the monster between innings and light up”
So thats why they call it the Green Monster – not just because of the paint job?
Heyman is finally on it.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ml?eref=T1
Optimism that Ramirez-to-Florida will get done. Another team could replace the Pirates, or the Pirates could be taken out entirely.
GLove, please don’t attack me. I’m very aware of our large payroll. And I think that spending that much on DiceK was a little excessive.
What I meant about swagger is that this team looked dead on their feet tonight. All the controversy about Manny is hanging over their heads. I think it would relieve everyone to have him traded and move on.
I also realize that this lineup is not nearly as threatening without Manny. But this team is not built on one player.
CB
Thank you for your thoughts about the whole Manny issue.
As always I find your take on things to be both informative and interesting.
I do agree that even with all this hype right now, there is a distinct possibility the Sox end up saying we will just put up with Manny for two more months, and then get the draft picks when he becomes a free agent.
I don’t have kids. I’m 20.
OMG. Steve Phillips is unforgivably stupid. His dumb arse is on BBT talking about, there’s gonna be a huge learning curve with Pudge and all these new pitchers, it’s kind of late in the season to be introducing him to all these new pitchers, and then insinuating this could be the reason Yanks inevitably finish a few games out.
lol WTF. It’s Pudge freakin Rodriguez! Yeah, I’m sure he’s someone who REALLY will struggle with getting acquainted w/a new pitching staff. His possible inability to do so could REALLY hold the Yankees back. hahaha…where does he come up with this crap? I mean it’s not like we traded for Gregg Zaun or something. show Pudge some respect, daaamn!
quite frankly, the only thing I’m worried about with Pudge is excessive GIDP’s.
Ray – I think I will cry if Manny decides to stay put. After all of this hype and chaos, how can his teamates look at him the same? Or anyone in the organization for that matter?
Steve Phillips just pointed out the obvious and I think it is something we cannot pretend isn’t there, no matter how great Pudge is. He does not know our pitchers. And yes there is going to be a learning curve so let’s not pretend there isn’t. As Phillips said, getting a catcher in the middle of a season, even a HOF pitcher, brings a definite learning curve with it, especially with the young relievers in the pen who will automatically go with whatever he puts down. Phillips also said it could mean a few games that end up being important games at the end of the season.
While I fear the learning curve with any new catcher, I especially wish it weren’t coming at the beginning of a 4-game series with the Angels.
“What I meant about swagger is that this team looked dead on their feet tonight. All the controversy about Manny is hanging over their heads. I think it would relieve everyone to have him traded and move on.”
I think that the Manny drama is hanging over the team. That said though, the Angels are also a very good team this year – and you’re never as bad as you look when you’re losing. The Angels are just like the Orioles have been to the Yankees – like pesky thistles in the foot.
Let’s how the Yankees fare against them for four games.
Wow BBB.
I really thought what he said sounded extremely logical and I actually had wondered about that myself. Maybe with someone like Pudge it won’t matter. Maybe I overworried on that one.
Apparantly, I-Rod asked the Tigers to trade him to the Yankees:
It seems nobody had an inkling of this until Rodriguez, who is a free agent after the season, asked for a meeting with Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski at the team hotel in Cleveland, at which he was the one who suggested a trade to the Yankees.
“They need a catcher and I want to catch every day,” Rodriguez reportedly told Dombrowski. “Why don’t you see if you can work something out?”
When Dombrowski got to the ballpark in Cleveland, he called Rodriguez into Leyland’s office at which time they made a courtesy call to Rodriguez’s agent Scott Boras, who, predictably, immediately started making demands for compensation to his client in exchange for waiving his no-trade clause. At that point, Rodriguez reportedly got on the phone and told Boras to butt out; that this was his wish and that everything had already been signed off on.
Interestingly, wasn’t that how this whole Yankee season got started way back last November – when another Rodriguez told Boras he wanted to be a Yankee and to butt out?
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....raded.html
Angel – I am very interested to see how you guys fair against them. While I’m always rooting for a Yankee loss (except maybe against the Rays!), it would be nice to see someone kill the Angels. I think they are determine to avenge their post-season losses against us and now are dominating in every game we play. The Sox have won ONE game against them this year.
I definitely agree that the Angels are the team to beat.
Red Sox Fan
To be sure, if Manny stays for the rest of the season there will be some awkwardness. As CB pointed out, there have been a number of times that it looked like we were going to pull the trigger and get rid of Manny before, and everyone ended up patching things back up.
I just know that sometimes there is a lot more smoke than fire in discussing these big baseball trades.
Anyone else want Bobby Abreu to stick around next year?
“I think the reason the Sox turned against Damon is that after all he accomplished in a Sox uniform and against the Yanks, he went and joined them. Plain and simple. What would you do if one of your big guys joined the Sox?”
RS fan, I would be mad. But who I would be mad at would depend on how his free agency negotiations unfolded. If I felt the Yankee FO made every effort to re-sign the guy and were still spurned, I’d consider him a traitor. But if the guy was open to coming back and it was the org. who ignored him, I would be mad at them.
Players want to go where they feel wanted. I think that’s almost as big of a factor as money itself in free agency. The Yankees acted more interested in resigning Damon than did the Sox, so he came here. That’s on Boston’s FO, IMO. It’s human nature, just as you or I with multiple suitors trying to employ us would go to the company that seemed most enthusiastic about having us on board…so did Damon.
And also, I know the Sox have tried to sign Yankee FA’s like Pettitte and Bernie. Can’t recall exactly what happened with Bernie but I believe Andy’s response was he’s a Yankee and couldn’t do it. How come Damon didn’t react like that? Because he has less character or integrity? I don’t think that’s the reason personally. JMHO.
Ray – I’m guessing you watched Mikey’s postgame interview (the smoke and fire thing).
I think that between all these comments and the recent incidents that Manny staying would greatly disturb the team’s chemistry.
“Anyone else want Bobby Abreu to stick around next year?”
Absolutely.
“And he’s right about how the Red Sox treat their older players. If anyone else doesn’t see there’s a pattern there where the team, Gammons, ESPN and the columnists all turn in unison against these guys before showing them the door, they are blind. ”
Right on G.Love. That’s exactly what I was trying to say, just more eloquently and with less words.
“When Dombrowski got to the ballpark in Cleveland, he called Rodriguez into Leyland’s office at which time they made a courtesy call to Rodriguez’s agent Scott Boras, who, predictably, immediately started making demands for compensation to his client in exchange for waiving his no-trade clause. At that point, Rodriguez reportedly got on the phone and told Boras to butt out; that this was his wish and that everything had already been signed off on.
Interestingly, wasn’t that how this whole Yankee season got started way back last November – when another Rodriguez told Boras he wanted to be a Yankee and to butt out?”
Scott Boras: Note to self: Stop signing clients with last name Rodriguez!
The pitcher I think it will effect the most is Pettitte. It seems like it takes awhile for him to get comfortable with a catcher. I remember last season his 1st start he keep on shaking off Posada and huffing and puffing on the mound and after the game he said that he couldn’t get together with Posada on what to throw. Joba should be fine because he usually throws what he wants to anyway. Molina will definitely still catch Mussina since he would have a fit if Molina didn’t. Mo has 1 pitch Pudge just needs to learn location with him. Give Pudge a couple of days and he should be fine with everyone else. I really don’t see it being that big a deal..Phillips tends to go to the extremes with these things especially when it deals with the Yanks or Mets.
Ray,
Whatever happens with this Manny thing you guys will (unfortunately) be fine overall because your team is run very well. There’s no two way about it. The sox had a very strong draft and if the rumors about who many over slot guys you might sign are true it’ll be a fantastic draft. That’s just one example.
Tito and Theo have already done a remarkable job of keeping things together with Manny as long as they have. Besides Torre and Jim Leland I can’t think of too many other managers who could put up with Manny.
But I will say this – if the pirates aspect of the deal fall through this becomes a very different deal. You really need to get Bay back to make this work. Hermedia is nowhere near the player Bay is and Grabow will be very useful.
I also really find it tough to believe the Marlins will trade Stanton. I thought he was completely untouchable for them.
LOL Trisha, I could be overrating Pudge but he is by far the best catcher I’ve ever seen play in my lifetime. With a lot of catchers I would worry, but with his body of work, even though he is getting a bit older now, I don’t think we need to lose any sleep stressing about his transition process.
Oh, and LMAO if Pudge really was the one who conjured this up and approached Dombrowski with it. He outthunk two of the better GM’s in the game!
Thanks CaptainsCorner.
BBB – Half of me wishes that Damon took Andy’s stance of “I’m a Sox, I could never be a Yankee.” Now I don’t know the entire story, but I just got the impression that since the Yanks offered more money, he went there. I understand that this is a business but I think there is more to baseball than money.
Like we discussed before, the Sox FO hesitates to offer a lot of years and money to players who they believe to be near or on the decline.
This past offseason, Lowell was a free agent. He was offered more money and years from New York, but chose to stay in Boston. I will always love him for that, for his loyalty.
Bronx Jeers,
That is funny considering Washburn told a reporter the other day that he already spoke to Bora$$ and told him what compensation he would want for waiving his no trade. Some players are idiots and money over rides winning and happiness.
Thanks BBB. It sure is going to be an interesting watch tomorrow night. Hope he’s ready to gun down those pesky Angels.
“Anyone else want Bobby Abreu to stick around next year?”
That’s a tough one.
After today, an emphatic yes! but overall it gets dicey with his fielding.We got about 3 DH’s in the wings. Still he leads us in RBI’s. I guess it depends on how long and how much? nothing new there.
“With that being said, how long can any team let a highly paid player only put forth half an effort sometimes, and not even play if he does not feel like it?”
About 6 years and 9 months so far.
As much as I’m enjoying an actually logical baseball conversation w/ you Yank fans (most of my friends just wave the 26 rings in my face), I have work early and really need some sleep. Maybe I’ll be back tomorrow though (hopefully when Manny is packing for Florida)! Night!
Red Sox Fan
I too was impressed with Lowell’s willingness to stay with the Sox with less money.
However, there is a danger with that. I still remember when Bronson Arroyo resigned with Boston at a lower than market value at the time.
He said he liked playing in Boston. But shortly after he signed a long contract a lower figure to play in Boston the FO shipped him out of Boston.
So I think the FO does do a good job, but that does not mean that they cannot be a bit tough and maybe unfair to players sometimes.
CaptainsCorner
Yeah I like Washburn especially after he pinch ran the other night but then again that demand is a real thorn in our side. It’s like whatever dude, you like being in last place?
If that turns out to be the real sticking point tomorrow, I can’t see that deal getting done. Oh well.
Although I would feel a lot better if we weren’t sending Sir Sid out there on Fri night.
say pirates back out of the deal if ur the red sox do u still trade manny
From what I recall, originally Lowell was offered more by the Yankees, then they pulled it back. That was after A-Rod was being talked to, so Lowell didn’t have a lot of suitors.
While he didn’t accept the Yankee offering right away, he was looking very strongly at the Yankees.
Once the Yankees pulled out of talks with him, then Lowell’s only real choice was the Red Sox.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Veritek and Ortiz. I think Tek will get a low figure, and being that the RS were looking for catchers, the message is already being sent to him that his days as captain could be coming to an end.
“Anyone else want Bobby Abreu to stick around next year?â€
not really id rather see younger players in the corners and have Matsui DH
From Cashman’s standpoint, the Yankees had already been asking a lot of Jose Molina, a career backup, and there was also private concern that he might eventually break down. With Rodriguez coming in, those fears have been alleviated, but it remains to be seen how the Yankee pitchers, all of whom apparently love working with Molina, will interact with Rodriguez. Despite Rodriguez’s Hall-of-Fame credentials, his reputation is that he catches for himself.
I might be deluding myself but I somehow don’t think he’s going to try to pull this in the Bronx.
$13
I’m not sure if it is accurate but I was under the impression that the Phillies were interested in Lowell too.
With all that has been going on with Manny and the Red Sox, they are in a no win situation. Trading him is tough, but there is no punishing him without it coming back at them. Fine him? Suspend him? Either would mean very little. Suspending him would mean the Players Union would have it overturned almost immediately. It would have to be a very hefty fine for him to notice it.
If they sit him, it hurts the team as much as when he takes himself out of games.
His comments will bother the other team members, and they might get them thinking negatively toward the Red Sox. Thing like that can fester. I bet Tek has his concerns. Ortiz could as well, given his lowering numbers.
If they have this deal colapse and Manny doesn’t like it, he will be saying that the Sox did it on purpose. If he dogs it in his play, then what good is he doing for the team?
Yeah, its kind of unfortunate that Pudge is going to be thrown into the fire immediately in our biggest series of the year without knowing any of the pitchers.
Maybe give him a day to get to know everyone and start him Friday? Doesn’t matter who catches Ponson anyway lol
Glad to know he really wanted to come here though, enough to tell Boras to stay out of it
The Phillies had some talks with his agent, but no firm numbers. The Phillies seemed like they were kicking the tires but that is a long way from getting a deal going.
Lowell is a decent guy, but he also came up from the Yankee organization. I don’t think he would have turned down returning to them for the right price. That doesn’t mean he lacks loyalty, but with all the changing around these guys do, its rare to have any players sticking with the same team their whole careers.
Has it been announced that he is catching Pettitte or is someone here just making an assumption? It makes no sense to me whatsoever that a brand new catcher would be thrown into the fire without getting a chance to feel things out. Look at it this way. If this trade hadn’t happened, Jose Molina would have been behind the plate. Why take a chance with a series this critical?
trisha
cash and girardi said he would play today
Rodriguez will be fine starting out of the gate, no worries here.
Pudge didn’t seem to have any trouble catching in All Star Games. He was working with pitchers he didn’t catch before.
While there is some getting used to the pitchers, the biggest job the catcher has is knowing what the batters like to hit. There will be need of some adjusting, but I think Pudge has some experience in this catching position.
I saw a quote from Cashman and Girardi that says he will be playing tomorrow. I am sure he will be at the ballpark tomorrow a couple of hours before the game and will talk with Pettitte and the other pitchers. Molina needs a day off anyway and Moeller hasn’t caught Pettitte that much either this year. So it is not like Moeller is that comfortable with him.
Rodriguez has been in the AL basically his whole carrer besides one year he knows all the hitters it aint like hes been in the NL and now coming into the AL and being trown in the fire when he knows none of the hitters, he should be fine
I think it’s safe to assume that Pudge plays tomorrow. Unless something gets fouled up with his travel. Molina may catch Fri night(jorge’s usual night off) as Sat is a day game.
Thanks guys for that information and also for the confidence that Pudge won’t have a big adjustment.
It’s interesting that not everyone is convinced this is a good trade.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....001.column
I think I will turn in now. So much activity in the last several days! (our trades, tough games.)
Night all.
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Pudge C
Nady LF
Cabrera CF
What? So we finally don’t have a compromised lineup with automatic outs from 5-9?
From that article
A scout who saw Rodriguez play recently raved Wednesday about him, praising Pudge’s good condition and hustle down the first-base line — times of 4.35 and 4.4 seconds. This could certainly work out well for the Yankees.
So, he is the Anti-Manny Ramirez lol
so red sox fan pulls the salary card.. yeah the 2nd highest payroll is getting on that bandwagon… nice , we show some restraint and they go to the salary nonsense.
n ext year when the Yanks payroll is slightly more then the sux what will your excuse be?
WHy do most sux stars leave on bad terms?
SOme examples are; clemens, manny, nomar, and pedro to name a few????
The yanks have there issues but really will derek, mo, or jorge ever play for another team? I doubt it……
“Anyone else want Bobby Abreu to stick around next year?â€
Yes – as a DH and p/t right fielder… he brings so much to a game i.e. makes the pitcher work (essential when a pitcher is cruising thru a lineup)…
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....1629.story
“Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Pudge C
Nady LF
Cabrera CF”
Read: Abreu = DH
hes DH’ing so we can see some
defense*
“http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spybar0731,0,3181629.story”
Wow, I never knew Millar was such an idiot. If Edwar doesn’t have good stuff, then what kind of indictment is that of Millars skills? He should think before he says something like that, because he’s career 1/4 off Edwar, with THREE strikeouts. According to Millar, it isn’t very hard to get Millar out, being that a pitcher with “no out pitch” can strike him out at will.
Anyway, they should have a biggest cry baby award in baseball each year. I nominate Millar and Youk. It would be close, but with those quotes, Millar probably takes the prize, which is hard to believe.
Stuart – I only mentioned the salary because of that comment about “loyalty.” To me, the Yanks have too much of it and Sox could use a bit more. I really don’t care about payrolls though, if you can afford it then why not spend it?
And I wouldn’t say that all those guys left on bad terms. Manny would be the worse by far but that is because he has created this horrible situation. If he just shut up and played good baseball, this would be entirely different.
Oh and I read Mike Lowell’s book in which he talked about his free agency. He pretty much said that while the idea of paying in NY was interesting (in a good way), he liked Boston way too much to leave. His agent was just trying to get better years and money from the Sox.
To add a Tigers Fan view point here – you guys have no idea what value you got for the Pudge/Farnsworth-less trade. We already had this bum Farnsworth in 2005. But Pudge is the greatest catcher to play the game in my generation.
Yes indeed – you upgraded from Posada to Pudge.
Great another scary pitcher in the Tigers freakshow we call a bullpen.
Manny will be wearing pin stripes next year. If for no other reason, to get back at the Redsox. He is a guy that needs motiviation to play. What better motivation than getting back at a team that traded you.
Get rid of Giambi and put Manny at DH next year.
Just testing to see if these work. Don’t mind me