Ramirez move may be in the works
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As significant as the Pudge Rodriguez move could be, the big news for the Yankees in the next 19 hours could be whether the Red Sox trade Manny Ramirez.
Boston is involved with complicated discussions with Florida (and possibly Pittsburgh) on a multi-player deal that would send Ramirez to the Marlins and possibly Jason Bay to Boston. I have heard literally 10 different versions of this deal.
Ramirez, as everybody knows, murders Yankee pitching. His departure would be welcome news at River Ave. and East 161st Street.
In the end, maybe nothing happens. That usually is the case with Manny. John Henry is said to want to try and work things out.
Meanwhile, the Mets are sitting out the trade deadline so far. As the Yankees make move after move, the heat is on Omar Minaya.
Tick … tick … tick
UPDATE, 9:16 p.m.: Check out what Manny told a reporter from ESPNDeportes today:
“The Red Sox don’t deserve a player like me. During my years here I’ve seen how they have mistreated other great players when they didn’t want them to try to turn the fans against them.
“The Red Sox did the same with guys like Nomar Garciaparra and Pedro Martinez, and now they do the same with me. Their goal is to paint me as the bad guy. I love Boston fans, but the Red Sox don’t deserve me. I’m not talking about money. Mental peace has no price and I don’t have peace here.â€
In other words: Get me out.
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mets could sweet the WS and firing Omar the next day would be a good move. hes terrible.
As an experienced Yankee fan – I blanch at the sight of Manny.
Jason Bay? I giggle!
“In the end, maybe nothing happens. That usually is the case with Manny.”
It’s a bit different this time since the contract is more favorable with the team option. Teams have been reluctant to give up too much for all the money Manny was owed. The Marlins would owe Manny very little.
But Boston -would- be stupid to move him. If the deal dies, it -has- to be because they pull it off the table.
Rex hudler ” let’s go ahead score some more and let’s hear the sox fans turn on their team”
other guy ” yeah they may not even stick around to hear “sweet Caroline” tonight”
this is great on so many levels
How does the entire Red Sox team look with a big LAA footprint on their sternum?
Pretty GD Good to me!
Mike Jacobs pulled from the Marlins game
Sox have Youkallis, Pirates have LaRoche… so I’m not sure where this is going.
Bay is actually having a better year but Boston will give up more than its worth.
There isn’t a better day in baseball then when our beloved yanks win, and Boston gets their a$$ handed to them haha.
hmmm, only to be trumped by the Yanks deal for a starter;)
“Sox have Youkallis, Pirates have LaRoche… so I’m not sure where this is going”
Youk can move to LF
Manny is not pull from the game yet lets just see
I don’t get some of the trades proposed where Manny goes to Fla for some prospects, then the sox flip the prospects for Jason Bay.
If those prospects could land Bay, while wouldn’t Fla just get Bay who younger, and signed to a reasonable contract for next year.
Getting Manny for a year on that team makes NO sense to me. What am I missing?
I’d love for this move to happen. I’ll take my chances facing Bay.
That said, I could see this move happening, if only since Manny has been more vocal now than ever, and also because he is showing his disdain a lot on the field.
I still think the Yankees will get Jarrod Washburn. That trade just makes too much sense for them not to get it done. The Mariners would have to be dumber than heck to hang on to that guy. They are going to stink with or without him, they just have to decide if they want to pay 13 million dollars for an extra draft pick or two in 2009. I think the Mariners will blink and cut a deal with the Yanks.
I also think that Kennedy will be given another shot in the rotation. I’m sorry but Ponson and Rasner are not very good. I think Kennedy is better than both of them right now. A rotation of Joba, Pettitte, Mussina, Washburn, Kennedy is fine by me. Perhaps Aceves and/or Hughes come into play a bit later.
I think the Yanks will get someone better than Washburn.
Mike Jacobs played a lil outfield early on in his pro career
Manny says he is “mistreated” by the Red Sox. I would love to be mistreated to the tune of $20 million per year.
Amazing how the Angels have turned it around against the Sox. 8-1 after this game. They could go 7-3 against us and still end up helping us in the standings. Though, obviously, that would be baaad m’kay?
any reason why Jacobs was pulled?
i hope they trade him. Boston would lose a ton of the swagger they had in their recent unusual spurt of winning. and of course i’m so sick of Manny/Papi destroying the Yankees.
Go ahead Red Sox…you never wanted Manny. Trade him…you know you want to. And the Mets might want some mysterious player named Pavano…sounds good to me.
If Jacobs went to Boston, then Youkilis would move to LF.
And no Bay to Boston.
Mike Jacobs is a nice player, but he’s no Manny.
The Red Sox could get God in exchange for Manny Ramirez and I would be happy. Please get him out of Boston!
Looks like the Jacobs move was a double switch?
someone was saying jacobs gets pulled a lot in later innings for defensive purposes
I posted this in the previous thread too:
Cantu usually moves from 3B to 1B in the late innings because Cantu is a hack at 3B. Amezaga or somebody else replaces Cantu for defensive purposes. Mike Jacobs is the odd man out always.
I honestly believe this is nothing to get worked up about.
“I think the Mariners will blink and cut a deal with the Yanks.”
I absolutely agree Patrick – and I would guess that Cashman will give them a declining return to get their butt in gear – like every start he makes for you is $300K off our offer.
That should keep a spark under them.
Manny’s right, the Red Sox do not treat their aging stars well. Manny is such a jerk though, it’s hard to be too sympathetic to his plight.
With our luck, Pavano will go to a new team and dominate. Yanks are just going to trade away Pavano. He will have value, about as much as Garcia I’m guessing.
hey manny wont go for the all time rbi record aganist the yankees
if mannys traded to the marlins, the deal is going to include willingham or hermida
I have to agree with Manny on this one. The Red Sox don’t know how to treat their great players, especially the examples Manny used. Nomar and Pedro were Red Sox Heroes, but the Red Sox chewed them up and spit them out when they were finished with them.
“If those prospects could land Bay, while wouldn’t Fla just get Bay who younger, and signed to a reasonable contract for next year.”
Manny for this season gives them a much better chance at a title than Bay for this and next season. The Marlins are trying to win one now when they’re this close to first going into August. You don’t know if they’ll be in the same position next year and Jason Bay certainly doesn’t ensure it.
i dont care who goes to boston, i would love to not face manny ever again. at least until the angels sign him next year
Neither Hermida or Willingham will scare me when they step in the batters box. Any trade Boston does for Manny ruins their offense, period.
“With our luck, Pavano will go to a new team and dominate. Yanks are just going to trade away Pavano. He will have value, about as much as Garcia I’m guessing.”
Gonna be tough to do on a 45 pitch count.
ESPN~
As the Red Sox, Marlins and Pirates discuss a possible three-way deal for Manny Ramirez, the sides also are discussing lefty reliever John Grabow’s moving from Pittsburgh to the Red Sox. The current sticking point, according to a well-placed source, is that the Marlins want the Red Sox to add a prospect to their take in the deal.
Roger Clemens
does Boggs fit with that too?
“Rex hudler †let’s go ahead score some more and let’s hear the sox fans turn on their teamâ€
other guy †yeah they may not even stick around to hear “sweet Caroline†tonightâ€
this is great on so many levels”
Definitely great… but Hudler and Physioc – if that is who is calling the game – are brutal to listen to when playing the yanks. They always manage to adopt that david vs. goliath angle… and how the big bad yanks are supposed to win every game, so if you beat them then hallelujah, but if you lose then it’s because NYY has the highest payroll, etc. Actually Hudler’s not too tough on the yanks because of his history, but Physioc irritates me something awful
I love Manny. Anybody who hates the Red Sox is a friend of mine.
exactly corey, thats why i’m itching for this to happen. this would make the yankees buyers at the trade deadline and the red sox sellers
Hear Rumors from fellow scouts.. That mets might want to use Pavano in the bullpen. I think thats a better idea then starting him
Read this as though ‘Darth Vader’ was talking:
The Sox of Boston will drained of their ‘force’ when they lose the Jedi Ramirez… the Empire will be empowered & the Nation of Sox will be defeated… it’s only a matter of time now… come now young Lester – join the Empire and we will be undefeated!
I don’t see how this makes sense for anybody involved except Pittsburgh.
Bay is clearly not Manny although he`s a very very good player. Also, I don’t understand why the Marlins couldn’t afford to pay Miguel Cabrera’s salary and yet they`re willing to take on Manny’s salary.
“With our luck, Pavano will go to a new team and dominate. Yanks are just going to trade away Pavano. He will have value, about as much as Garcia I’m guessing.”
Yeah – And Karsay, Quantrill, Sturtze, Wells, Proctor, Heredia, . . . who am I missing?
Via con dios Raja – say hi to Ms. Milano!
The Red Sox did the right thing by not going to 4 years for Pedro, Damon, and Nomar was a boorish brat, exhibiting the same as Manny is now.
I would think the Red Sox made the righ move with all of them.
The unfortunate thing is that veteran players feel that their teams owe them.
Melancon in first AAA inning: 1-2-3, all ground outs.
If the Sox trade Manny then the curse of this century will start officially. It is called Manny Curse and Sox will not win another WS until the next century
RAMIREZ!!!!!!!!!!!
melancon just pitched a perfect inning..next step yankees stadium..cant wait to see what he got..
That’s why I root for the Yankees!
are we molding melancon to be a starter eventually?
looks like jason bay and John Grabow to the redsox, manny to the marlins, and marlins trade hermida/or willingham and some other minor leaguers
“Melancon in first AAA inning: 1-2-3, all ground outs.”
Thanks RC -
BBFan – from your lips to God’s ears!
The marlins usually pull jacobs in later innings..
I gotta say Manny has a point. Seeing how the Yankees have handled veterans Posada and Rivera versus how Boston handled Nomar, Pedro and Ramirez; let’s just say I’m happy to root for a class organization.
Jon i believe tha melancon is looked on as a setup man/closer.
When you look at all aspects, Nady is having a better year than Bay. Bay is better only in HRs.
Cash is smart in striking first.
“As the Red Sox, Marlins and Pirates discuss a possible three-way deal for Manny Ramirez, the sides also are discussing lefty reliever John Grabow’s moving from Pittsburgh to the Red Sox. The current sticking point, according to a well-placed source, is that the Marlins want the Red Sox to add a prospect to their take in the deal.”
So now the Sox want a lefty out of this and the fish want a prospect in addition Manny? Sounds like it’s getting more complicated than it needs to get, which could deal a deathblow to the whole thing. This should be about the Sox moving Manny once and for all, not about their using Manny to fill every need.
i think i heard that the reason marlins traded cabrera was because he wasnt the best teamate and got into fights with a team mate and also they were worried that his behavior would spread to hanley which they didnt want.
Melancon is strictly a relief pitcher. Maybe future closer.
“That mets might want to use Pavano in the bullpen. I think thats a better idea then starting him”
Imagine trying to count on Pavano making it to the mound 3 or 4 times a week? Yikes. Minaya must be stuck in a timewarp from 1998.
big day indeed.
the buzz on espn is that the marlins are waiting for this game to end with the mets
Just curious – who’s ranked higher on the Yankee depth chart? Melancon or Cox?
Great Trade! I think that the Pudge trade has potential also for next year. Remember Posada is coming off serious shoulder surgery. Chances are he will not be 100% and could not catch every single game.
Couple of ideas. Next year Pudge could share catching with Jorgie, as well as first base. They could alternate. When one is catching, the other could play 1b. That would provide a much better tandem they have now. They can keep Molina as the 3rd string catcher.
In 09 the Yanks should keep Bobby and keep the outfield as it is now, but use Damon as the 4th outfielder and alternate him and Matsui at DH. That would be quite a lineup with both speed, power and experience. It would also help if Damon could learn to play some 1b which I think he has been doing already.
sunny-
Melancon
or the marlins and redsox can deal with themselves
Espn Jason Stark~
Officials from teams around the sport are beginning to hear details about the structure of the Manny Ramirez deal. According to one of them, the three players the Red Sox are seeking from the Marlins for Ramirez are Jeremy Hermida, pitcher Ryan Tucker and big-time outfield prospect Mike Stanton. However, the two sides also have discussed substituting Josh Willingham for Hermida.
per MLBTR
8:29pm: Here’s the latest. MLB.com says we’re moving closer to the three-team deal. The Pirates could receive a minor leaguer from the Red Sox. Dejan Kovacevic says the Pirates would receive four or more prospects for Bay, as well as Hermida. John Grabow could end up in Boston or Florida. Perrotto says it could be expanded to have Jed Lowrie go to Pittsburgh and Jack Wilson to Boston. The Bucs also like Red Sox prospect Hunter Jones.
I don’t want a platoon at first base. I want Teixera
melancon is rated higher than Cox. But Cox still highly regarded as a Jeff Nelson type (righty slider pitcher).
You got think that David Ortiz might be listening to Manny and seeing what the Sox handle Pedro, Nomar and now Manny and thinking ‘Hmmmm’…
That is like having Pirates working for you. This is Kennedy. When it reaches Kennedy, sell.
John H
I forgot to mention the worst thing manny did…..
assaulting the traveling secretary. That’s on a whole other level
new update
8:29pm: Here’s the latest. MLB.com says we’re moving closer to the three-team deal. The Pirates could receive a minor leaguer from the Red Sox. Dejan Kovacevic says the Pirates would receive four or more prospects for Bay, as well as Hermida. John Grabow could end up in Boston or Florida. Perrotto says it could be expanded to have Jed Lowrie go to Pittsburgh and Jack Wilson to Boston. The Bucs also like Red Sox prospect Hunter Jones.
looks like this deal is going to happen in some form. how excited are we?
beat me to it Tank!!! sorry
Jason Bay playing LF would be far better for Boston than Manny playing LF.
Jason Bay batting in the Sox lineup instead of Manny would be far better for NY (and the rest of the AL) than for Boston.
Sox fans I know have been sick of the Mantics for a while, but the SOB keeps destroying Yanks pitching so they say they can live with it. I have a feeling they’ll say good riddance. It’ll be easier for them to swallow now that Ortiz is healthy again.
sorry one of the immortals was using my computer
Just checking out the Halos’ lineup –
Only 1 player over .300? Really?
I know we only have Johnny, X, and A-Rod. But 1 is awful thin. No wonder K-Rod is going to get the record unless he blows a gasket.
The Sox are in desperation mode…they trade Manny and sign Bonds…you heard it here first.
How is Matt Carson on SWB?????? CF
Hey Pete, if farns pitches a perfect inning in Detroit, is that still a sign of a Yankee win?
Melancon has second perfect inning. This time 3 fly balls. Good symmetry.
there is rumor out there that jacobs is out because hes getting traded for a catcher either greg zaun or molina (not jose but bengie!)
“8:29pm: Here’s the latest. MLB.com says we’re moving closer to the three-team deal. The Pirates could receive a minor leaguer from the Red Sox. Dejan Kovacevic says the Pirates would receive four or more prospects for Bay, as well as Hermida. John Grabow could end up in Boston or Florida. Perrotto says it could be expanded to have Jed Lowrie go to Pittsburgh and Jack Wilson to Boston. The Bucs also like Red Sox prospect Hunter Jones.”
Wow, this makes it sound like Stanton would join Tabata in the Pirates’ system. -And- the Sox would give up one of Peter Gammons’ beloved prospects.
Jason Bay ain’t worth it. Happen! Happen!
Who are we kidding? there is no way this trade goes through.
Don’t get your hopes up.
i heard that rumor about jacobs. the fish are making a run at the nl east
Matt Carson has been a complete surprise. Great case of a “non-prospect” playing himself into the mix. Just keeps hitting.
“The Sox are in desperation mode…they trade Manny and sign Bonds…you heard it here first.”
Oh, that’d be the point where I’d pinch myself to see if I’m dreaming.
Sox ain’t touching Bonds though.
“The Sox are in desperation mode…they trade Manny and sign Bonds…you heard it here first.”
What will they do with 2 DHs?
I don’t want this trade to go down. Manny is going to leave Boston at the end of the year anyway. Now Boston is going to get some good players and prospects for him. I’d rather them lose him for nothing.
II think the Red Sox never risk with their veterns.Like us with Posada and Mo.Their contracts they got most teams would never give a catcher at 36 4 years and a 38 year old closer 3 years.
the deal is done and they are waiting for the game to be over to annunoce the trade
“Just curious – who’s ranked higher on the Yankee depth chart? Melancon or Cox?”
Sunny –
Tyler Kepner of the NYTimes did a profile of Melancon. The brass thinks he is the heir apparent to the ‘Hammer of God’ –
If being compared to Mo doesn’t kill him, hopefully it will make him stronger.
#9
If you’re impylng maybe Ortiz could eventually want out of Boston, I’d say sign him if he’s a FA. In a second.　Not that I’m expecting it nor that I think that would happen at least in the near future, but … if you think losing Damon to NY was tough for them to swallow, imagine if THAT guy signed with NY.
Buzz
July 30th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
there is rumor out there that jacobs is out because hes getting traded for a catcher either greg zaun or molina (not jose but bengie!)
yea i can see that the giants need a first baseman and they were also asking for a power bat if they were gunna trade someone
manny’s last sox at bat?????????
really?
sox arent getting much for prospects, theyre downgrading their outfield and picking up a mediocre middle reliever. basically the pirates leftovers after we robbed them blind
isnt it interesting how tom verducci is silent so far? IMO, he is the best “national” baseball guy out there
Jason Bay is not a good defensive OF.
CB had his OF metrics the other day and they weren’t pretty.
Bay is like a lot of guys on bad teams at the deadline. Horribly overrated.
If you are the Yankees, you would substitute Jason Bay for Manny Ramirez in their lineup every day of the week.
I mean, come on, let’s get serious, Bay isn’t anything close to Manny Ramirez. Maybe he is the the Manny that doesn’t show up and play. But, to the real Manny? Not even in the same ballpark as a player.
are they booing manny in boston?
Aside from the credibility factor, how does trade help the Marlins? Don’t they already have an explosive offense? They need pitching, they have the 5th worst ERA in baseball.
Of Course, adding Manny would help them, but would it really elevate them any higher than Phillies territory?
havent heard anything on this coast about bengie being traded…and he is listed as in the lineup – that would be a good trade for the giants…
no, they are saying “boo-urns, boo-urns”
Matt Carson is a big surprise, he’s hitting 311, plays a solid center field and has the arm to play right. I think its worth keeping an eye on him.
Don’t think the Sox would go Barry but I thought they’d never trade Manny. Bonds should be able to handle left field at Fenway. Not sure how well he would handle it on the road though.
If they`re booing Manny in Boston then we know things are looking good.
Now we just need Washburn.
this could be a great day… yanks win big, mets are about to lose, ditto the sox, and manny could be headed to the NL
what a great night. the only way this could possibly get better (assuming the manny deal goes through) is if we somehow traded melky for peavy
Bengie’s take on being traded…
Jul 30 The San Jose Mercury News reports San Francisco Giants C Bengie Molina, whose name has been linked to trade rumors, doesn’t want to leave the Bay Area. “The Giants committed to me, and I want to stay committed to them,” said Molina. “I have a job to do here.”
Ortiz just went from second to third in 5.4 on a wild pitch. I guess they’ll deal him later tonight.
LF in the Fens doesn’t really demand a ‘plus’ outfielder.
I know my hopes are exceeding rationality here – But Manny kind of looks like a Pirate to me!
Interesting that Phil Cike (who almost went in the Pitt trade) is now being used in relief at Trento (when he had been used all year as a starter). I believe we are seeing the birth of a LOOGY (who throws up to 94).
That is, Phil Coke.
Mark Melancon 2.0 IP for Scranton tonight. No hits. Knock Knock.
why is joe west’s nickname “country”?
Wow, Tori Hunter catches EVERYTHING.
if this deal doesnt get done by tonight i dont think manny is leaving
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Marlins, Red Sox, Pirates Talking Manny Trade
By Tim Dierkes [July 30 at 8:52pm CST]
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8:50pm: Will Carroll believes the Commissioner’s Office has been informed of a Red Sox-Pirates-Marlins trade even though the teams haven’t agreed on the prospects. Here’s how he sees it:
Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez’s remaining salary)
Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)
Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow
Yankee fans, lets be realistic. You don’t get a catcher for the stretch run to the playoffs, especially when your throwing Rasner, Ponson, and Hughes and Kennedy when they come back. You go out and get an upgrade in your pitching staff which Washburn is better than the above four pitchers. I don’t like this move at all. Will the Yanks be a little better offensively? Probably. That will not offset their pitching woes. They better get a pitcher tomorrow.
“why is joe west’s nickname “countryâ€?”
something to w/ sheep
The Commissioner’s Office has been informed of a deal involving the Pirates, Red Sox, and Marlins. The Commissioner has to sign off on any deal involving cash considerations of more than a million dollars and there was clearly going to be cash involved in any deal. There’s also some formality about Manny Ramirez waiving his 10-5 rights and no trade clause and I’ll admit not understanding the technicalities.
So here’s what Pee Wee Herman would call the “big but.†The teams, I am told, have not agreed on the specific prospects to be included in the deal. It’s expected that in addition to the principals, the Red Sox would get John Grabow and give up two prospects while the Marlins would get one prospect and give up two. There’s still a lot of haggling but my scribbling notes make it look like the structure of the deal is:
Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez’s remaining salary)
Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)
Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow
Coke is close to his innings limit I believe. Thus being used as a reliever.
8:50pm: Will Carroll believes the Commissioner’s Office has been informed of a Red Sox-Pirates-Marlins trade even though the teams haven’t agreed on the prospects. Here’s how he sees it:
Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez’s remaining salary)
Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)
Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow
sorry if this is ignorant, what does LOOGY mean?
commission office informed of trade: Will Carroll BP
from bp, sorry
So i guess you saw sportscenter today Phil. I guess they count how many strokes it takes for Manny to release his load.
And goooone for Torii Hunter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The talk was that had they not traded for Marte, Coke was one of the next guys they were going to try in the lefty specialist role. The Pirates may regret not putting him in the Nady-Marte deal.
Done deal
http://baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=967
Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez’s remaining salary)
Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)
Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow
while we all wait on manny to be out of our lives, can we discuss what we should do about replacing ponson and/or rasner?
Coke will be part of the Greinke deal
Wow…I never thought a trade would happen…this is great.
Get all your hitting done tonight Angels.
“sorry if this is ignorant, what does LOOGY mean?”
Lefty only one out guy.
Wow. Sox pen is brutal.
Oh my! Manny plus cash -and- two prospects? For a slight bullpen upgrade and a major offensive downgrade?
Pudge & Co. could fly away with this division! It’s getting closer …
lets not get too happy, wait until the deal is officaly made
So Boston gives up Manny, 2 prospects and cash for Bay and Grabow.
Depends on the prospects but my intial reaction is Boston got fleeced.
sox will be better for it
Boston is in shambles if this goes through
anyone wanna bet that this time tomorrow IPK won’t be a NY Yankee?
Hey everyone. I’m posting on basically every blog I know. I am in shock. Absolute shock. I’ve been bashing Manny all day long saying that he is weighing down the team (you should see today’s game, no Sox player has his heart in it). But wow. He is gone. Off to the NL. He flew out in his last ever Sox AB.
Why would the pirates get involved in this? There is no reason whatsoever to give up Bay and Grabow for Hermida and poopoo platter of prospects. And they say that we fleeced the Pirates. The Pirates are fleecing themselves here.
Florida would get a huge boost here as discussed. But the Pirates would be the real winners. I’d assumed the Sox would get Stanton and use him as tradebait down the road. The Pirates get him and Hunter Jones? Swapping out Hermida for soon-to-be FA Bay? Nice haul.
The Manny Ramirez trade conversations are expected to continue into Thursday, according to a source. Because it’s a very complicated deal, involving a player who has the right to veto the trade and other parts, it is still unlikely to happen. But the negotiations will go on.
Peter Gammons doesn’t think it will happen.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....e_deadline
Doris
Where do you see IPK going?
Boston made a smart move at least i believe
Why wouldn’t the Sox do this deal straight up with the Marlins. The Marlins prospects have better upsides
BP says commissioners office has been informed, and Gammons says deal wont happen. Huh?
rotoworld says that jacobs may been going to the giants for molina
“involving a player who has the right to veto the trade”
Well, we assume Manny isn’t going to say ‘JUST KIDDING! Wasn’t really gonna waive the NTC’ just to bust the team’s chops.
Manny is NOT vetoing this trade. the only sticking points are the prospects and theo realizing he’s up a creek after this deal
so pavano’s contract is up at the end of the year.
could the Yankees offer him arbitration and then maybe get picks from the next team willing to take on the reconstructed elbow?
Could we possibly get something? anything? out of this bust?
gammons is trying to quell our jubilation
Manny is killing the chemistry on the Red Sox…they should keep him.
Willis- dont know. i just think cashman has one more surprise in store for everyone and it involves IPK
manny already waived his no trade clause earlier today
“Why wouldn’t the Sox do this deal straight up with the Marlins. The Marlins prospects have better upsides”
Stanton is years away. An Ellsbury/Crisp/Drew outfield when you just shipped out one of the most fearsome hitters in the game would sour a lot of breakfasts in New England.
Gammons reminds me of the old people eating dinner at the local diner at 5pm who send back their soup
Given that so far he’s pitched 11 innings at all between last year and this year, I don’t think that he’d be in the top 40% of starters
if i was the marlins i would of traded willingham
I know one guy who would be happy to see Manny go to NL: Mike Mussina.
Yanks vs. Grabow
.563 BAA
.619 OBP
I like it!!!
34, the pirates wanted hermida
alright both games are over now, lets see some fireworks
I’m back again. There’s a saying to always look to your enemies (rivals in this case lol) for the truth. Can you guys honestly tell me what you think of this? And please just don’t exclaim your happiness that you won’t have to face Manny again in a Sox uniform.
the mets want pavano hahahahahaha
my opinion: bay is very overrated and will not do as well in the american league. grabow is a middling bullpen guy that probably shouldnt even be on the roster
i wonder if cashman can steal peavy
exactly 34, i was saying that earlier. somehow package melky, shelley, and chase wright for peavy
Bye Manny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBGMrIstM4s
“I don’t like this move at all. Will the Yanks be a little better offensively? Probably. That will not offset their pitching woes. They better get a pitcher tomorrow.”
what does one thing have to do with another? oh wait, absolutely nothing.
was there any other team who was going to trade a starter for Farnsworth? no.
is this a huge upgrade? yes.
will trading Farnsworth have ANY impact on whether they get a starter or not? no.
you are acting like there is a limit on the number of trades you can make.
it’s funny listening to someone who has no idea what they are talking about tell people to “be realistic”.
Bye Bye Manny!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
“Can you guys honestly tell me what you think of this? And please just don’t exclaim your happiness that you won’t have to face Manny again in a Sox uniform.”
getting Bay is a solid return in a situation where the Sox didn’t have a ton of leverage.
Bay is good, but he is not Manny.
If, somehow, Matsui played this year, where would he?
Anyone believe me now.
I feel like a Munchkin at the end of the Wizard of Oz.
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead! The Wicked Witch! The Wicked Witch! Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is Dead!
This is unbelievable.
Boys, I sit 8 rows behind home plate at PNC Park, and while I love him, Jason Bay is no Manny Ramirez. John Grabow??? He’s been injured for a lot of this season. He really is no better than Lopez.
If this goes down, if this goes down…what a great week to be a Yankee fan.
Thanks for the response. I’m still sadly in shock. I’m sorry but I can’t understand how you guys acquired some of the best players up for trade while giving up basically nothing. Meanwhile, we’re giving up a future HOF with three of our best minor leaguers for two average players.
I give props to you guys. Your team has been playing great ball and has made great deals. Cheers to hopefully knocking out the Rays and returning to the normal top two of Sox-Yankee.
Hmm. I have a feeling “Sherry” is an old poster revisted – having a strange sense of deja vu here. Ignore it – it wasn’t reasonable its first time around either.
here here red sox fan. its nice to see some humbleness. hope you dont mind if we gloat a bit amongst ourselves though
*Add on: I do have to say that I’m hoping for this to turn out like the Nomar deal. The Sox gave up a great player in exchange for some average guys who played good ball. The whole chemistry of the team changed and started to pull things together.
It’s funny though, I thought if any trade was going to be made, it would be to replace Papi due to his wrist. Not because Manny is leaving town.
Yes, Red Sox Fan–don’t take it personally.
it just tells you how much we thought Manny meant to the Sox–especailly as a Yankee killer.
Thank goodness for us that he’s such a meshugganah.
“Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus says the Red Sox, Pirates and Marlins have agreed to a three-team Manny Ramirez deal, pending Ramirez waiving his no-trade clause and league approval.
Carroll, not normally one of our preferred sources, has the Red Sox getting Jason Bay and John Grabow; the Marlins acquiring Ramirez, cash and a prospect from the Red Sox and the Pirates picking up Jeremy Hermida, two prospects from the Marlins and one from Boston.”
It’s a okay move for Boston. It really depends on how the drop in production from Manny to Jason Bay (and whatever value is provided by Grabow, who with Lopez so effective, may be overkill) is balanced by the benefit of removing the distraction and potentially poor play of Manny down the stretch. Certainly, looking forward, Bay is a better bet than Manny.
Bay’s a fine player. The Red Sox are very fortunate to have him, if this deal goes down. He certainly doesn’t scare me the way Manny does. Bay is also a much, much better defender than Manny.
So really, we’ll have to see how this plays out.
I like Pittsburgh switching Bay with Hermeida. If Jeremy only stays healthy, he’ll be an elite lefty bat. He’s younger and more cost-controlled, so the Pirates can count on him for longer, possibly long enough to pull themselves into contention with a base of good lefties.
Jon – keep gloating by all means. This is YOUR blog after all! I would certainly be celebrating if the Yanks decided to trade away A-Rod.
I do have an awful feeling though that this could be a bad blow to the Sox season.
I wonder what Ray (sox fan) thinks about it.
On another tangent,Mo is now the all-time leader in ERA+
http://www.baseball-reference......reer.shtml
With the way things were going with Manny and Boston, they were forced to do something. Anything. As an organization you can’t keep turning a blind eye to the things he has been doing.
This may help the chemistry, but Manny brought a lot to that team.
While Ortiz is still there, you really have to wonder if he will be anything like he has been.
Yea “For $13…” that is my main concern – Papi. I have dearly missed that 3-4 punch of Papi and Manny. We have had that back for less than a week and now it may be gone.
It would also help if our bottom three could start hitting. That’s what is really hurting us.
The Sox do this every year. We get our hopes up and then Manny goes on a tear and hits everything for 2 months. He is pouting now, but if the deadline passed, he would accept his fate and play ball.
If this trade does go thru, the Sox are much worse and Big Papi lost his protection. Chemistry is over-rated. Have the Eagles or Cowboys gotten much better since TO left Philly?
bkight – of course he would. And if not for Manny, the Sox would STILL be looking for their first WS win since 1918. Manny is absolutely right, the Sox DON’T deserve him.
Bknight – Yes, the Sox and Manny always do this little dance, but it has never been this close. And if you have watched the Sox played for the last few games, I would not say chemistry is overrated. The team is clearly lacking some drive and looks … well … tired.
Deadrody – With Manny’s recent antics in mind, I am more tempted to say that Manny doesn’t deserve the Sox. When your fans are questioning if your knee is really hurt or why you didn’t swing that damn bat in Yankee Stadium, something is clearly wrong.
Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!’s here}
July 30th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
“I wonder what Ray (sox fan) thinks about it.”
Hey Angel,
I mentioned on an earlier thread that I was at the game last night. I know things can change but right now I really do think the Angels are the team to beat and are better than both the Sox and the Yankees. I will watch with a lot of interest this weekend to see how you guys do against the Angels.
Indeed Manny does this every summer, but it seems more intense this year. At the start of the season Manny actually seemed quite content and was even granting interviews to the press.
I think superagent Scott Boras has a track record of causing a lot of unrest with his clients……as he did with Arod and now with Manny.
Manny says it is not about the money….gee…never heard that one before from a player in the middle of negotiations. I Manny is doing every thing he can to get moved out of Boston right now. I think many fans are ready to say good bye Manny!
I am impressed with the trades the Yankees have made in the last week. In my humble estimation you are definitely a stronger team than a few days ago and have addressed some of the needs the team has because of injuries.
I’m moving onto the next thread.
Red Sox Fan,
Why do you go on a Yankees blog anyway? Just Curious.
Boston always seems to have problems with their players. Pedro, Wade Boggs, Roger, Norman, Manny. Are players to blame or the franchise?
The Manny for Bay trade actually isn’t that bad for the Sox. I was looking at their stats this year and offensively they are very similar. Manny has a 142 OPS+ this year and Bay has a 137 OPS+. You take some points away to account for the transition to the AL, but then you add points because Bay is a better baserunner and is better on defense (-1 vs. Manny’s -15 for run differential playing LF)…Boston might not be getting better, but they may also not be getting too much worse.
Further, Bay would be staying with the Sox for an extra year, whereas Manny is guaranteed to be gone this winter.