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Game 108: Angels at Yankees (and Manny)

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YANKEES (59-48)
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Nady LF
P. Rodriguez C
Cabrera CF
Pettitte LHP

Andy Pettitte (12-7, 3.76) vs. the Los Angeles hitters.

Jon Garland (9-6, 4.30) vs. the New York hitters.

Notes: The Yankees are 9-3 since the break, the Angels 10-2. … The Yankees are 15-23 against the Angels since 2004. … Los Angeles has won three straight and seven of their last eight.

GUESS WHO’S BACK: For the 1,987th time this season, Chris Britton was called up from Scranton. Chad Moeller was DFA’d.

WHO’S HOT: Bobby Abreu is 18 of his last 45 (.400) with 10 extra-base hits, 12 RBI and 15 runs scored. … A-Rod is 10 of his last 21 with four RBI and two HR.

WHO’S NOT: Robinson Cano is 3 of his last 18 with one run scored and no RBI. … Wilson betemit is 8 of his last 45 with 15 strikeouts.

HOW CAN THEY DO THAT TO ANDY PHILLIPS: Pudge Rodriguez will wear No. 12.

Check back for lots of updates and Pudge audio after his press conference.

* * * * * MINOR TRADE FOR YANKS * * * * *

4:13 p.m.: INF Alberto Gonzalez to the Nationals for RHP Jhonny Nunez.

UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: Nunez is 2-8, 5.22 for AA Harrisburg. He’s 22.

Meanwhile three of the four players obtained for Randy Johnson (Gonzalez, Luis Vizcaino and Ross Ohlendorf) are gone and Steven Jackson isn’t much of a prospect. But they did get a draft pick for Vizcaino, which proved to be Jeremy Bleich.

* * * * * MANNY RAMIREZ HAS BEEN TRADED * * * * * *

So says the Boston Globe. No details yet. Seems to be the Dodgers. This may be the best news for the Yankees all day.

UPDATE, 4:30 p.m.: Meanwhile, back in the Bronx, here is audio from Pudge Rodriguez’s press conference:

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OK, back later with updates.

UPDATE, 4:37 p.m.: IT’S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT

Was this is the greatest trade deadline or what? Sabathia, Harden, Nady, Blanton, Teixeira, Pudge Rodriguez, Griffey, Manny. Holy smoke!

Sounds like it’s Manny to the Dodgers and Jason Bay to the Red Sox. Jason Bay is a decent player but he’s no Manny. Good news for the Yankees.

UPDATE, 4:46 p.m.: Here is what it seems to be:

Red Sox get: OF Jason Bay.

Pirates get: RHP Bryan Morris and INF Andy LaRoche from the Dodgers, RHP Craig Hansen and OF Brandon Moss from the Red Sox. Maybe another Dodgers prospect, too.

Dodgers get: Manny Ramirez and $7 million from Boston.

The team options were taken off Manny’s deal. He also will agree to decline arbitration so they can get draft picks when he becomes a FA.

I get it that Boston wanted to get rid of Manny. But the Red Sox traded three players (including Manny Ramirez) and $7 million for Jason Bay. That’s a hell of a lot for Jason Bay.

* * * * * EDWAR RAMIREZ SUSPENDED * * * * *

6:01 p.m.: Edwar Ramirez was suspended for three games for throwing at Kevin Millar. He appealed.

Daniel Cabrera got six games for actualling hitting A-Rod.

The Yankees have now had five players suspended this season for various offenses.

UPDATE, 6:20 p.m.: Here is the latest on our old pal Phil Hughes. He will pitch for Single-A Charleston on Saturday and be elevated to 50 pitches. Hughes could be a handful of starts away from being ready.

Cashman mentioned Hughes, Kennedy and Aceves as possible options in the rotation.

UPDATE, 6:22 p.m.: Here is some bonus audio for you. Brian Cashman’s interview from today. C-Money talks about what did happen and what didn’t. He would not bite on commenting about Manny.

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UPDATE, 6:24 p.m.: Shameless plug: I will be on ESPN News around 6:45 p.m.

UPDATE, 7:02 p.m.: Huge cheer for Pudge when the lineup was introduced.

Is you listened to the audio, you could tell how excited he was to be here.

This is a huge game for the Yankees. With Rasner and Ponson pitching in this series, they need Pettitte and Moose to win their games. The Yankees can’t expect to win the season series against the Angels with six of the games on the road, but they need to go 5-5 anyway. Just hold your own.

UPDATE, 7:07 p.m.: Lt. General Ray Odierno threw out the first pitch. He was the head of the division that captured Saddam Hussein in Iraq and will soon be the Army’s top man there.

UPDATE, 7:12 p.m.: OK, gang, I have a ton of newspaper work to go. I’ll update some later on. Enjoy the game.

Oh, and the Yankees have signed RHP Victor Zambrano to a minor-league deal. He’ll stay in Tampa and work out. He’s one of the huddled masses yearning to breathe major league air. I doubt he’s a realistic option for this season as he’s coming off surgery.

UPDATE, 8:05 p.m.: Hmm, it would seem Pudge and Pettitte have some kinks to iron out. One thing about Andy this season, when he gives it up, he really gives it up.

UPDATE, 8:10 p.m.: How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going? The Yankees are down 6-0, he’s made five trips to the mound to talk to Pettitte and he just stuck out on four pitches in his first at-bat. Other than that, it has been great.

UPDATE, 10:24 p.m.: Sorry for the lacks of updates. Bad game and lots of newspaper work to do.

The Yankees have had some brutal pitching the last five games, just awful. While getting Nady and Rodriguez were no-brainer moves, this team will rise or fall on the strength of the five starters and right now, they’re struggling (outside of Joba).

Back with some reaction and other notes.

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1,834 Responses to “Game 108: Angels at Yankees (and Manny)”

  1. DV July 31st, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    That is a MASHER Line-up….NICE ! ;-)

  2. migames July 31st, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    thats a better looking lineup than it was 2 weeks ago

  3. Chief July 31st, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    poor andy phillips lol

  4. Rockin' Rich July 31st, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Not 21? Wonder why… not!

  5. DV July 31st, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    ( with the exception of Melky, though )

  6. JR Yankees July 31st, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Great lineup tonight. Nothing against Molina, love what he brings to the table, but this lineup looks a lot better.

  7. Russell NY July 31st, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    The Dream Team!

  8. Frankie( Manny isn't pleased) July 31st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Deadline up in 20 minutes.

  9. DFox July 31st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Huh? Cano had 2 RBI on Tuesday…

  10. Gus G. July 31st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Don’t forget that was Boggs’ number too… He better wear it proud!

  11. al arodien July 31st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    WELCOME BACK MURDERES ROW!!!! PLUS CANO!!! YEAH BABY YEAH!

  12. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    The Yankees are 15-23 against the Angels since 2004.

    We *so* have to fix that.

  13. Vito July 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Not to question Pete, but didnt Cano get 2 rbi in the bottom of the 8th against the O’s when they lost 7-6?

  14. AlbanyYankee July 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Argh, why not put Nady between Giambi and Cano?

  15. Nicky Mantle July 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    In pudge we trust…

  16. DominicanYank July 31st, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Wow, if K’s here hits, Betemit would be batting .333…

  17. cwebzzz July 31st, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    OKk soo when we go hitless through 5 are we gonna crazy on the hitters

  18. Rishi July 31st, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Man – they are just throwing him [Pudge] in there…

    Wonder how Molina is handling it…

    Plus – ESPN is still asking “Wonder if Bay goes anywhere in the next 20 mins” – are you kidding me?

  19. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    this some BS, Chris Britton again

  20. Frankie( Manny isn't pleased) July 31st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Pudge looks good in that lineup.

  21. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Also, here’s hoping Moeller clears waivers and the Yankees can resign him.

    And Bobby is crazy hot.

  22. Tint July 31st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    haha, How can they do that to Andy Phillips?

    I’m predicting 2-4 with a HR from I-Rod in his debut

  23. Rishi July 31st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    I’d bet they save 21 for the return of Phil Hughes…

  24. LathamJoe July 31st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Agreed, AlbanyYankee.
    Cano and Nady should flip to make Sciosca think more about his lefty-righty bullpen options.

  25. Wangawa July 31st, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Murderer’s Row + Cano worked out really well when we lost in 4 games to Detroit

  26. Al from BK July 31st, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    I am sick of Chris Britton. Why no Bruney.

  27. number18 July 31st, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    that lineup is tremendous!

  28. ThecanoCannon (Second Half Record--9-3) July 31st, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Pirates and Rays denying trade has been done

  29. Bobby July 31st, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Damn, that’s a sick lineup.

  30. fred from jersey July 31st, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Murders Row and then Melky. Common Melky get hot!

  31. Kevin July 31st, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Why is nobody else reporting this trade?

  32. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Melky doesnt=Murderers Row
    Murderers Row + Melky maybe.

  33. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Hughes is going to wear #65 when he comes back

  34. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Play Justin Christian…PLEASE sit Cabrera. For the love of GOD SIT CABRERA.

  35. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    IROD 12, AROD 13 … We just need KROD 11.

  36. CB July 31st, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Bay deal is not done.

    “Shortstop Reid Brignac and right-hander Jeff Niemann are among the players the Rays have offered, sources say, but the Pirates are looking to replace Niemann with another pitcher while adding other prospects.”

    This makes more sense. Niemann an ok prospect but not enough for Bay if the other main piece is Brignac.

    But at this point who knows what’s going on.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....around-MLB

  37. Patrick Bateman July 31st, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Andy Phillips was the nicest guy ever to play as a Yankee.

    Josh Phelps put a bag of burning dog poop on my doorstep and ran away. Meanest guy I’ve ever met.

  38. BJK July 31st, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    “And Bobby is crazy hot.”

    I wonder if that has anything to do with the Nady acquisition. Aren’t contract years grand?

  39. saucY July 31st, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    nice. we just got thru our ‘boston hangover’. and for the Angels, it’s just starting!

  40. ohgodno July 31st, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    “Murderer’s Row + Cano worked out really well when we lost in 4 games to Detroit”

    Don’t bring back bad memories. That hurts my head.

  41. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Bay not gone?

  42. TurnTwo July 31st, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    “Why is nobody else reporting this trade?”

    if you are refering to Bay/Rays, its not official yet.

  43. Melky Fan Club July 31st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Thanks a lot for not trading me.. I will show you what i got.. I am insanely good outfielder and from here on out i will get clutch hits.. Now all the pressure is gone leave me a lone and i will start producing.

    From the Melk Man…

    Lets go Melkster i believe in you

  44. JR Yankees July 31st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    MLBtraderumors says Bay to Rays not a done deal.

  45. bphill July 31st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    This is going to be a huge series, one of the biggest of the year. Pitching needs to be fantastic for us to win the series.

  46. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 31st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Pudge’s splits vs the angels this yr.

    vs.LAA 23 1 3 1 0 0 1 0 0 3 0 0 .130 .130 .174 .304

  47. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Girardi said He wants to Keep Cano 6th because thats when he got HOT and wants to keep him there, so thats why it goes Giambi, Cano.

  48. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Does this mean stealthman is done dealing?

  49. saucY July 31st, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    but michelle, do you have his splits against the Angels…. at Yankee Stadium? ;)

  50. CB July 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    If Tampa can’t pull off the Bay deal big plus for the yankees. He’s a very good fit there.

    The Rays have been notorious for making absurd trade demands.

    Now Friedman’s in a very different position – instead of being a seller at the deadline the Rays are buyers – very different role.

    Lets see if he can pull off a deal.

  51. the daveman July 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    How about offering the Sox Giambino, Melky & a prospect for Manny?

    C’mon, there’s still 7 minutes left!

  52. TurnTwo July 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    SoS: apparently for now. what a shame. we still need a real option at the back of the rotation.

  53. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    I like the Yankees line-up. Whether Rodriquez or Molina catches this week-end, the Angels should not be able to run against the Yankees like they have in the past.

  54. YankeeXDev July 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Lets hope Britton stays for good. He has been pitching actually pretty good in Scranton. He pitched 3 scoreless innings Monday night when I saw Scranton play

  55. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Pudge’s splits at yankee stadium this yr

    9 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 .222 .222 .333 .555

  56. fuhgoobagaz July 31st, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Hmph, wonder if the Pirates tried putting on pressure to get the other deal going their way.

  57. mko July 31st, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    His name is I. Rodriguez, not P. Rodriguez. Pudge is not his name :-p
    But I know, you’ll write what you want and that’s fine ;)

  58. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    July 31st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    This is going to be a huge series, one of the biggest of the year. Pitching needs to be fantastic for us to win the series.

    I’ll be content with a split.

    It’ll be two wins more than Boston had against them, anyway.

  59. Jeff July 31st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Go Yanks!

  60. Yanksrule57 July 31st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    That lineup is very dangerous. I like the look of the team, let’s see if they can execute. I would feel better about the playoffs if Sir Syd and Rasner weren’t our #4 and #5.

    I think Boston is going to go down in flames by keeping Manny. Yanks and Rays will be fighting it out for the AL East!

  61. Mikeyd July 31st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    id be VERY surprised if an interesting trade popped up in the next 10 minutes… i’ve been skeptical all day, i think Cash is going to stop while he’s ahead… I mean, they’re probably trying to avoid another teary-eyed session saying goodbye to another family member… I think they are going to rely on the pitching we currently have…. for once, i’m really hoping im wrong.

  62. SamVA July 31st, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    did anyone check out Pudge’s last 10 games… He has 2 perfect nights (going 4-4).. has any yankee gone 4-4 once in the last ten games?

  63. Yankeefanfoev13 July 31st, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    about 5 mins left…the clock is ticking…will bosox make a move,
    btw I wonder how manny is feeling

  64. fuhgoobagaz July 31st, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Its going to be really odd seeing Pudge catch for the Yankees tonight.

  65. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    I am willing to bet Pudge heats up a bit…he likes the limelight.

  66. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Well, we’ll have to deal with Manny for another three months.

    But we still have the two great deals we made. That 7-8-9 looks a lot better than our 7-8-9 a week ago. We have a new manager and two catchers who can gun down runners. This is the night to start a new trend against the Angels.

  67. Tank July 31st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Christian > Melky

    Christian has killer speed and looks to have good gap power and has good ABs… only 1 strikeout this year in 24 ABs.

  68. bernbabybern July 31st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Shouldn’t it be “I. Rodriguez”?

  69. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    Tank…you’re the second…I am going to start a petition.

  70. Adam July 31st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    Any chance Britton actually gets some action this time? I like what I’ve seen from him in the limited time he’s pitched.

  71. ANSKY July 31st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    This is an important series. Even if NY wins it 3-1 this could be our ALDS matchup if NY ends up settling for the wild card. Every game from here on out weighs more & more on where the team ends up in the standings & playoffs.

    Winning this series rather than splitting it goes a long way towards overtaking Boston AND Tampa, and putting a potential Angels match up off until the ALCS. I know you’re not supposed to hope to avoid a team, but you’d almost always rather meet the favorite later in the playoffs. Besides, if they don’t play each other in the first round, they’d most likely meet one round later anyways.

    That they won’t see Joba this time may hurt us this weekend but it should work in our favor if the teams meet in either round of the playoffs. If they don’t meet until the ALCS, Joba could potentially pitch one more game than he might have the opportunity to in the ALDS. As for this weekend, they get one less look at Joba before then.

  72. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 31st, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    the closest any yankee has come to 4 for 4 in the last 10 days is abreu – who is 3 for 5 and 3 for 4

  73. Russell NY July 31st, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    “Christian > Melky

    Christian has killer speed and looks to have good gap power and has good ABs… only 1 strikeout this year in 24 ABs.”

    Stop making sense or the Yankees might try to kill you.

  74. Mikeyd July 31st, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    why do you honestly care if Pete put him in the lineup as P. Rod or I. Rod? either way we all know who he is reffering to. This is his blog, let him do what he wishes without trying to knit pick. I can assure you he’s aware of the guys first name. there are much better things to be focusing on right now…

  75. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    So I’m kind of cautious about thinking about this as a bad trade deadline for Boston…

    …what do you think? Is it me or did Boston perform poorly this year?

  76. CUYanks July 31st, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Also, nicknames are fine in baseball. B.J. Upton’s first name is Melvin I think. Would you want G. Ruth instead of B. Ruth? etc…

  77. Boogie Down July 31st, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    OH how I hate playing the Angels. Please take 2 YANKS!!!

    LOVE the lineup tonight!!

  78. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Looks like we didn’t get our pitcher… but not everything’s been announced.

  79. ohgodno July 31st, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    THATS ALL FOLKS

  80. saucY July 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    “Is it me or did Boston perform poorly this year?”

    Theo had his hands tied up trying to deal with Manny and couldn’t address the real problems. I love it!

  81. Mikeyd July 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    CUYanks: thank you for further prooving my point. I’m glad you added that perspective!

  82. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Four come and gone.

  83. Chet July 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    I honestly think the new Girardi regime will exorcise the Angels curse. Let’s go 2-2 this weekend as our pitching is questionable. Would be rolling in the weeds if we went 3-1.

    Chet

  84. pat July 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    I hate all the -Rod copycats. Can’t he just be Pudge?

  85. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    that was a rather disappointing deadline after all the excitement last night

  86. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    I am still not sold that Ramirez staying is a bad thing for the Sox. I think he’ll come to his senses (after meeting with his agent), and realize that he’ll hurt his free-agency value if he dogs it. As a result, I am still scared of his bat against the Yankees in a big spot.

  87. fred from jersey July 31st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    thanks for distracting your GM with another failed triple super deal that he couldnt pull off.

    red sox holes filled = 0

    mets holes filled = 0 lolomar

  88. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Shouldnt it be R.Rod? As in Rent a Rod.

  89. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    I’d be happy with a split. Winning 3 games would leave me besides myself. A sweep would send me into cardiac arrest.

  90. Syracuse Gary July 31st, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Bay may be headed to Boston again

  91. Mike from CT July 31st, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    The Washington Nationals today acquired shortstop Alberto Gonzalez from the New York Yankees in exchange for minor-league right-handed pitcher Jhonny Nunez. Gonzalez is expected to report to Washington, DC on Friday and be in uniform for the Nationals’ series opener vs. Cincinnati. Nationals Senior Vice President and General Manager Jim Bowden made the announcement.

  92. ohgodno July 31st, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    HAH, Rent-a-Rod.

    I like it!

  93. Wolf In Pinstripes July 31st, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Now Rosenthal is saying Bay to Boston after all. This is nuts.

  94. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! July 31st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    The Washington Nationals today acquired shortstop Alberto Gonzalez from the New York Yankees in exchange for minor-league right-handed pitcher Jhonny Nunez. Gonzalez is expected to report to Washington, DC on Friday and be in uniform for the Nationals’ series opener vs. Cincinnati. Nationals Senior Vice President and General Manager Jim Bowden made the announcement.

    are you serious?

  95. Al from BK July 31st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Whoaa!

  96. Nick in SF but now in Ocean City, MD July 31st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Who’s knitting picks?

    No Bay to Tampa or do they get extra time to consummate the deal if they’re already all hot and bothered about it?

    I’m around a bunch of Orioles fans and they’re not happy we got Pudge.

    And I’m around one Red Sox fan and he doesn’t know whether he should be happy or not, whatever happens.

  97. CB July 31st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Looks like the Bay trade did not go through. From Rosenthal at 3:49

    “The Rays’ pursuit of Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is off “unless a miracle happens,” according to a source close to the negotiations.”

    I’d guess that those earlier rumors were false and that Pittsburgh was holding out for Jeremy Hellickson instead of Niemann. Looks like the Rays wouldn’t budge on Hellickson. Reports were that they’d deemed him untouchable.

    People don’t like dealing with the rays – they label a lot of players untouchable and Friedman hasn’t been flexible about doing deals in the past.

    He’s in a different role now – they needed to be buyers and Bay was perfect. Right handed and very affordable.

  98. ANSKY July 31st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    The P-Rod nickname is funny especially next to A-Rod. Unless Pudge breaks Pete’s arm over it there should be nothing wrong with it. He’ll probably be cool with it.

    You could also update the I-Rod thing to iRod. But that only works with a visual.

  99. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Serious about the AG?

    and what’s the source on Bay?

  100. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Boy, Millar talked alot about Edwar for having struck out 3 times in 4 ABs against him.

  101. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    How does Omar explain to Met fans that he didn’t make a run at Bay?

  102. John H. July 31st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    So i guess we will never know if Manny was traded :P

  103. Syracuse Gary July 31st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    Three way Manny deal is back on!!!!!

  104. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    My observations.. If the rays did not get bay they are fools.. they have tons of prospects and are in the position to make the playoffs this year and they should have given up some non david price prospects to make a run.. bay while not great is a
    good player and will help them.

    The yanks need to seriously look at axing Ponson immediately, I don see what they see. yes he has won but his peripherals are terrible..aceves, kennedy, hghes, etc. better be ready to get moved u.

    cashman seriously helped the Yanks but the backend of the rotation is still a BIG problem.

    they Yanks need to win tonight, this is there best matchup to win in the series, the Garland is very hittable…..

  105. Syracuse Gary July 31st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    3:02pm: Rosenthal stirs things up: the three-headed Manny-Bay-Hermida deal is back on.

  106. 34hughes July 31st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    yanks should of gotten harden

  107. Syracuse Gary July 31st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Thats 4:02 EST.

  108. The Fallen Phoenix July 31st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    I want to put a disclaimer on what I’m about to write: this time last year, Boston looked like a clear winner at the deadline, adding Gagne to what seemed like a killer relief-corps, while the Yankees missed out on a high-impact relief arm (Joba made that unnecessary a couple of weeks later, obviously).

    Nonetheless, it certainly looks like Boston’s the loser if they stand pat. Now, they could afford to, because before this last week, Boston’s had a team that was arguably the one to beat in the AL. The Angels acquiring Teixeira obviously complicates that.

    I’m not convinced Boston *needed* to move Manny; time will obviously tell on that. I think, based on circumstances that might have been beyond their control, the Red Sox did miss a chance to really shore up LF for the next few years without sacrificing their postseason chances this season, however.

    Even if Bay doesn’t go to the Rays (and it looks like the deal is off), I do think the Red Sox were outmaneuvered at this year’s deadline by the Yankees, at least as it came to a bullpen arm. Boston would have loved to add a Marte, and having him off the market likely affected the supply dyanamics of the market and the asking price on other relievers that were potentially available.

    Again, with the disclaimer that it seemed Boston won the TD on paper last year, and while Boston did win a World Series, it wasn’t because of the trade it swung.

  109. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    I am just throwing this out guys. Say Pudge has a great 2 months and handles are staff and great and the players love him and he becomes a leader, and his energy is none that we have seen since O’Neil. Do we bring him back to play 1st? or Catch and use Posada as a DH or 1b?? I say Yes, I think the Yanks can sign TEX play him at 1st and let Abreu go and us a combo or Damon and Jorge at DH.. I think Pudge is a great fit for us in alot of ways. I am routing for him big time and think he will become a fan favorite. get those PUDGE shirts printed cause I want one

  110. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    i blame the marlins for this trade falling through. i hope they finish 4th in the nl east and are contracted next season

  111. trisha - still in mourning :( July 31st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Hey Pete!

    No matter how much you or any of the other Ponson haters on this forum try to rationalize it, unless Washburn is part of a trade in the next several minutes, you all got it wrong.

    This by the way is of little moment only because the deals are ultimately made by the Yankees and not the forum posters.

    If we get Washburn and Ponson goes away in the next several minutes, I am going to be here to say I really got it wrong. Otherwise there is not a question that I (and other objective posters on this forum without a Ponson axe to grind) were able to be lucid enough to interpret reality.

    So there!

    :)

  112. Ghost of Scooter July 31st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    No. 12? Andy Phillips? How can they do that to Alberto Gonzalez!!

    They should have gotten closer to Pudge’s No. 7 and given him No. 6.

    They AREN’T retiring it for Torre, no way, no how. Especially the way they split. Thanks but he’s gone. Move on.

    We’re running out of numbers to retire anyway.

    Scrolled up a little … Did we really trade Gonzalez? I didn’t see that anywhere …

  113. mike July 31st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    http://minors.baseball-referen.....?pid=32001

    Jhonny Nunez statistics… nothing special.

  114. mko July 31st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Ken Rosenthal:

    Updated 4:01 p.m.: Manny trade talks dead again

    Well, I guess that was it then…we have to deal with Manny being Manny for the rest of the season.

  115. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Laura- The MEts did not want to part with MArtinez and Niese and thats all they have in their system.

  116. The Fallen Phoenix July 31st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    What I just wrote gets blown up if Fla/Bos/Pit three-way actually happens.

  117. The Fallen Phoenix July 31st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    What I just wrote gets blown up if Fla/Bos/Pit three-way actually happens.

  118. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    why would the yanks trade the AG/

    They need a defensive replacement in case… They need more pitching prospects???They have tons of pitching they need position guys…..

  119. Bill from NJ July 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    manny trade is dead again per mlbtr

  120. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    heres hoping manny pulls a TO and sits the rest of the year

  121. 34hughes July 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    gonzalez to nats jhonny nunez that is what si says

  122. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    I hate the fact that Manny will still be there to kill us. Ugh.

  123. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Question
    Isnt Garland a lefty? If so. Why isnt Bringing Sexy back in there?

  124. Wolf In Pinstripes July 31st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    And now the three-way is dead again. LOL

  125. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Garland is a righty.

  126. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Phoenix- There is difference. The Sox dont have a Joba.

  127. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) July 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    “Also, nicknames are fine in baseball. B.J. Upton’s first name is Melvin I think.”

    Yeah, but if B.J. Upton was a girl, it’s not as great of a nickname.

  128. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    “Laura- The MEts did not want to part with MArtinez and Niese and thats all they have in their system.”

    I love it that our farm system is a lot deeper theirs.

  129. trisha - still in mourning :( July 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Manny is only lucky that the Sux are heading out of town – though I’m not sure he wouldn’t still get a heroes welcome by the fenway faithful the next time he gets a hit.

    What a sick sick situation.

  130. ray (sox fan) July 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Trisha,
    I don’t always agree with your perspective which is not surprising because I am obviously a Sox fan.

    But I still wanted to say that the posting last night attacking you was harsh and unjustified.

    I didn’t say anything last night because I didn’t want to engage in a debate with the person who made the posting.

  131. Fleas (already sorry) July 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    hmm, nice balance in the lineup now.

    1) Damon – Lefty
    2) Jeter – Righty
    3 – Abreau – Lefty
    4) Arod – Righty
    5) Giambi – Lefty
    6) Nady – Righty
    7) Cano lefty
    8) Pudge Righty
    9) Melky – Switch

  132. ThecanoCannon (Second Half Record--9-3) July 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    the only way i think this trade is true is if the trade for nunez and send him to seattle thtas the only thing i can see

  133. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    The AG trade opens a spot on the 40.

  134. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    It goes Giambi, Cano,Nady

  135. CB July 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    No matter what happenned with Manny the Red Sox came up seriously short this trade deadline.

    Until a few days ago Boston’s biggest need was to sure up its awful bull pen.

    Their pen is awful and they have no one in the minors to call up and help at the major league level.

    And to make things worse for them their entire plan to move justin masterson to the pen depended on Clay Bucchholz pitching well enough to stay in the rotation. Bucchholz has pitched poorly again after his recent call up from AAA.

    The impact of Manny staying or going is hard to gauge right now. I never thought that deal would go through.

    Regardless, Boston’s inability to add to their bull pen is an enormous short coming.

    No way a decent reliever will clear waivers. They are going to have to go with what they have in the pen.

  136. ray (sox fan) July 31st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    NESN reporting that Francona just left Fenway.

    Would seem to indicate that there will be no announcement of a trade.

  137. PAT M July 31st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Window dressing by Boston

  138. voiii July 31st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    no matter what deals come out in the next hr or so, this has been the most fun I have had at deadline day in many years….I wore the F5 off my laptop… :)

  139. Nick in SF but now in Ocean City, MD July 31st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    “9) Melky – Switch”

    From asleep to awake soon, I hope.

  140. voiii July 31st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    no matter what deals come out in the next hr or so, this has been the most fun I have had a deadline day in many years….I wore the F5 off my laptop… :)

  141. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Manny will get put on the waiver wire we all know this its just gonna be interesting to see if anyone is willing to pick up his contract, I think Philly will

  142. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 31st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    with a-gon – gone – -who is our up and coming shortstop?

  143. Ninja Burglar July 31st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Fox sports is reporting the Bay deal is not happening.

  144. Chris July 31st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Yankees acquired RHP Johnny Nunez from the Nationals for shortstop Alberto Gonzalez.

    Anyone have anything on Nunez?????

  145. Tank July 31st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Nick Green.

  146. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    A-Gon was an up and coming shortstop? Am I missing something?

  147. PAT M July 31st, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    This was window dressing by the Boston Red Sox

  148. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    They are saying that some deals may have been made, but not reported yet. I’m standing by my prediction from days ago. Manny will continue to be a Red Sox when it’s all said and done.

  149. Al from the BK July 31st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    I’m disappointed about the Manny non-trade.

  150. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    AGON for Nunez? I guess Cash wanted to give back to the mlb community for stealing 3 players in a week.

  151. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (aka Joe) July 31st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Ghost of Scooter,

    Time heals all wounds. Joe Torre’s number will eventually be retired by the Yankees.

  152. Reality Check July 31st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Nunez has awful stats in AA ball. I thought AG might be a serviceable utility player in MLs, so why they would give him away for a guy who in addition to being mediocre at best, can’t spell his first name correctly.

  153. ellen July 31st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Goodbye to the AG.

  154. ray (sox fan) July 31st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    NESN reporting that some kind of trade has gone down with Manny.

  155. Emma July 31st, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    “heres hoping manny pulls a TO and sits the rest of the year”
    Whether he pulled one or not…he can still fake it. Manny would be great for Hollywood.

  156. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Tells me the Yankees are happy with the progress of Ramiro Pena in AA for them to move Gonzalez.

  157. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    CB,
    Where do you see tha Sox finishing this year? I can see it being dei ja vou all over again. Finishing 3rd.

  158. Emma July 31st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    I never though I’d say this but I feel bad for the Sox fans. Here is one of their favorite players not only disrespecting their team but he’s disrespecting baseball. No one needs a player like that…

  159. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 31st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    pat sorry – i didnt include the “i was being sarcastic” tag

  160. mko July 31st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Why was the General traded? I thought he was a great utility infielder.

  161. ThecanoCannon (Second Half Record--9-3) July 31st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Dodger trade for manny

  162. pat July 31st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    WFAN Manny to Dodgers

  163. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 31st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    If the Red Sox put Manny on waivers again, he will get claimed. The Mets, Dodgers, Phillies, etc. will all claim him and then it’s back to Theo working out a deal which he couldn’t do today.

    There is no way they are putting Manny on irrevocable waivers where the other team just takes him and his salary, unless he creates a scene in the next few weeks and/or Boston is no longer in contention.

  164. ThecanoCannon (Second Half Record--9-3) July 31st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Breaking News- Manny has been traded to Dodgers

  165. #9 July 31st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Manny to Dodgers done.

  166. fred from jersey July 31st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    not good

  167. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    “A-Gon was an up and coming shortstop? Am I missing something?”

    I think he lacked a good bat. My problem is couldnt we have gotten something better for him? Dont the dodgers need a shortstop?

  168. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Manny was traded to the Dodgers!

  169. frits July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It’s Its July 31st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    with a-gon – gone – -who is our up and coming shortstop?

    I believe that title belongs to carmen angelini…

  170. Real World July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Manny just got traded according to Gordon Edes, via Sports Radio WEEI Boston. I just heard it. No details yet, not even a team.

  171. BoogieDown July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Manny to Dodgers according to WFAN…

  172. The Dude July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Manny to LAD? Unreal. I can’t believe it. Did they get Matt Kemp?

  173. Zooboy July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Manny to the Dodgers?

  174. trisha - still in mourning :( July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Ray, thanks for that. And I don’t blame you for not wanting to get into it with the poster who said whatever he or she did. (Incidentally I’m really not too hard on the eyes so I am assuming that the “ugly ugly ugly” referred to my humanity – or lack thereof… :) )

    You need to have a thick skin to differ with the screaming hoardes here because as you can imagine as a statement of reality, the more emotionally unstable a person is, the harder it is to have any kind of rational discussion with the person. There are a ton of posters here who become emotionally unstable whenever the Yankees have less than a no-hit, 20-run shutout. I think you’ve probably seen it. When certain posters have their sights set on a player they really want to kill, all that player has to do is have a bad game or two and it is all over.

    People who operate on a larger spectrum, and that would mean always looking at the big picture rather than taking any snapshot in time as an immutable statement of hereonin, have the ability to deal with imperfect moments and imperfect games.

    I interrupt my boring story to report that I am listening to EEI and they have said a deal HAS gone down with Manny. Don’t know if it’s right or wrong, but stay tuned!

    Anyway Ray, thanks for saying what you did. I usually have the ability to call things pretty much right because I seriously can be objective as opposed to emotional, but what I say doesn’t necessarily satisfy peoples’ desire for blood when, say, one of our pitchers gives up a run!

    :D

  175. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Well, I guess I was wrong. Manny is a Dodger.

  176. gayle July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    so glad ESPN is on top of this what a waste of a network

  177. frits July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    link on manny-dodgers?

  178. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Manny to Dodgers done.

    holy cow…Manny’s era in Boston is done!!!

  179. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 31st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    wow, what is torre gonna do with a 36 yr old child….

  180. ohgodno July 31st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    MANNY TO DODGERS!!!
    MANNY TO DODGERS!!!
    MANNY TO DODGERS!!!
    MANNY TO DODGERS!!!
    MANNY TO DODGERS!!!
    MANNY TO DODGERS!!!

    Mike Mussina rejoice!!

  181. trisha - still in mourning :( July 31st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    HAVE FUN WITH MANNY JOE TORRE!

    He’s gonna need a lot more that the west coast has to offer than green tea. Like a ton of maryjane!

  182. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    whos in the deal? come on people

  183. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    I can hardly quibble about Manny going to the NL.

    But don’t let it be Kemp.

  184. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Jhonny Nunez, RHP
    The Nats acquired Nunez as part of the Marlon Anderson trade, and it’s easy to see why. He was 6-0 with a 1.58 ERA in 10 games (seven starts) in the Gulf Coast League. Though he dominated that league, he was a bit older, having turned 21 in October. Still, between the Gulf Coast and Dominican Summer Leagues, he has a 14-4 career mark with a 2.02 ERA in 161 innings, so he’s doing something right. He’s got a nice fastball and a decent slider with some biting movement, and he’ll get to test both this season at a tougher level.

    Man f**k this give us back Gonzo ! :x

  185. kd July 31st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    manny to the dodgers for whom?

  186. Tank July 31st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    How nice of ESPN to have golf on during the trade deadline (for those of us who don’t have ESPN news)

  187. ThecanoCannon (Second Half Record--9-3) July 31st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    I dought they got kemp there manigment said numerous times hes untouchable i think its etheir and some other specs

  188. Jim July 31st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    NESN reporting the same

  189. frits July 31st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    sweet lord, i hope this is true…please not for kemp…please for ethier…

  190. ellen July 31st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Jon Heyman reporting Manny to LA on cnn.com.

  191. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Manny for Ethier straight up and I’m throwing a party tonight

  192. DMan July 31st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Wow I don’t know how to feel… Lets see who the Sox get…

  193. pat July 31st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    WFAN said Jon Heyman from SI reorted it and he is going to be on WFAN in a minute

  194. Martin July 31st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Manny to Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you God in heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  195. Patrick â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    If anyone can handle Manny, its Torre.

    If this rumor is true its a huge plus for the Yanks (IMO).

  196. rconn23 July 31st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    I don’t care how much of a distraction he was to Boston’s team. As a Yankees fan I’m thrilled to see Manny gone.

    If they got Kemp, he’s a very good player, but for this year at least. He doesn’t make up Manny’s production.

  197. Andrew [in] Orlando July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    I know it won’t be Andruw Jones but until i hear otherwise, I’m loving the fantasy.

  198. kd July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Jhonny Nunez

    http://minors.baseball-referen.....?pid=32001

    looks like a decent pickup.

  199. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Unless they pulled back Kershaw, Billingsley, Broxton or Kemp, this is going to hurt.

    He’s gone! Pete, tell Moose he’s gone!

  200. Bryan (Yankees fan) July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Torre will love this guy

  201. John H. July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    If this is true, we are very lucky.

  202. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Come on Ethier

  203. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    “I dought they got kemp there manigment said numerous times hes untouchable i think its etheir and some other specs”

    It would make sense. Kemp for two months of Manny would be madness.

  204. Tank July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Maybe the M’s want Nunez?

  205. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    I just want to know if Torre will hold Manny’s bat for him?

  206. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Peter, if they got nothing for the big unic that is OK.. but the guys they got got them other people and picks and they saved $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    they minimized a big mistake..

    vizciano is dominating at Colorado!!!!!!!!!!Just kidding he is what most relief pitchers is a yr. to year up and down situation…

  207. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Pete,

    To be fair re: the RJ deal, they got a year out of Viz, the draft pick, and Nady and Marte from the Pirates by being able to spin off Ohlendorf in that deal.

    So, its a year of the Viz, the pick, Nady, Marte and Nunez (minor league filler guy) for RJ.

    Plus, they didn’t have to pay him the final 16 million on his deal.

    All in all, not bad.

  208. Alan Rickman July 31st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Please no Kemp in the AL East.

  209. Martin July 31st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    WFAN, NESN, and SI.com

  210. trisha - still in mourning :( July 31st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Congratulations Ray and other Sox fans here. I sincerely feel you and the Red Sox organization, the players, and especially Terry Francona, deserved so much better than to have to deal with the loser Manny had become.

    Boras got his way, but now maybe the team can go back to focusing on winning. Despite what anyone else may have said or think, Manny is NOT the Red Sox and Manny is NOT the reason the Sox won the WS championships that they did.

    :)

  211. Emma July 31st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Torry managing Manny? Mattingly is his hitting coach? Whoa wierdness…

  212. AlbanyYankee July 31st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    From what I can see, Jhonny Nunez was 2-8 with a 5.22 ERA in low-A ball this year, but he had 82Ks in 81 IP. He was then moved to AA Harrisburg and moved to the bullpen, where he has a 1.13 ERA over 5 appearances, striking out 8 in 8 innings.

  213. Jon G July 31st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Ugh – I liked AG. For a system already short on position players why on earth did they trade for another pitcher, let alone a mediocre AA one?? I’d much rather have gotten rid of Betemint!

  214. pat July 31st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    After dealing with George for 12 years, Torre is probably the man most equipped to deal with Manny. :smile:

  215. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    for who?

  216. gayle July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    and ESPN News still has not one mention of this I thought their guys were INSIDERS

  217. bphill July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    this is crazy seriously Manny talks wow.

  218. Jacob July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Jason Bay from the Dodgers for Manny.

  219. MD Mike July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Nothing on ESPN News either.

  220. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    I love how ESPN has not even reported it. There are these 3 dunces with Linda Cohen talking about Jason Bay while SI is reporting on Manny to LA. Morons.

  221. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Heyman will be on FAN any minute now.

  222. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    stop talking about nunez, who cares

  223. NYY July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Boston Globe is saying Sox might have landed Bay.

  224. ThecanoCannon (Second Half Record--9-3) July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Jason Bay is involved wit the manny trade

  225. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  226. k July 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    please don’t be kemp

  227. 56Bomber July 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Can’t wait to see how Manny gets along with Larry Bowa!

  228. pat July 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    NESN saying the Manny trade is a 3 way deal and Bay might still be going to Boston

  229. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    “Jason Bay from the Dodgers for Manny.”

    /me slaps forehead

  230. MoBoy(aka McLovin) July 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

    Forget Boston it’s just the Rays now.We should just worrying about them.Now Ortiz is weaker.And we don’t have to face the Post-Season home run leader.

    Manny will not be a problem.He wants a 4 year contract he will be in he’s best behavior.WE can get Manny next year.

  231. LathamJoe July 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Just what the Yankees needed – another mediocre C-level righthand pitcher to go with the other 201 that they can’t find a spot for!
    I would’ve traded Wilson Betemit instead of AG..they hit about the same, but Alberto knows how to use a glove!

  232. NYY July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Now they r saying it’s a 3 team deal between Sox -Dodgers-Pirates

  233. #9 July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Bay is part of 3 way deal…

  234. Y's Guy July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    heyman reported it at 420 and its 431 now and espn doesnt have it yet!

  235. gayle July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Bay to the Red Sox 3 way deal

    I am ticked my Phillies didnt do a darn thing and he wanted to go there

  236. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Joe Torre calling Terry Francona in his best Nancy Kerrigan voice saying, “Why, why, why”?

  237. Andrew July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    I like this deal if I’m the Pirates and they ended up with Ethier and prospects.

  238. Martin July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Dear Lord,

    Thank you.

    Love,
    Everyone but Boston fans

  239. CaptainsCorner July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Awww..I like Gonzo..It wasn’t a smart move by Cashman. Jeter is 32 going on 42 and now the team doesn’t have any back up options if he gets hurt. Cashman has gotten too pitcher happy and now they have no infield options.

  240. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    If the Sox got Bay instead of Kemp, I’m happy :)

  241. gayle July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Lets see if Boston gets Bay I see the big losers this week being the Rays who got nothing

  242. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    ESPN has the “latest on Brett Favre” coming up. Yeah, they’re all over this. Hot list? They might think about retitling that.

  243. mike July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    The Red Sox traded Manny Ramirez to the Dodgers late Thursday afternoon, SI.com has learned.
    Jason Bay is headed to Boston as part of the deal, SI.com has learned.

    Damn. Not as excited as before thinking they got ethier or kemp

  244. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    oh well, we’ve been prepared for bay for the past day now

  245. The Dude July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    I’ll bet Jack Wilson is also involved, going from Pitt to LAD.

  246. NYY July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Matt Kemp?

  247. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    The fact that it’s 3-way again leaves me a bit more skeptical that it doesn’t fall apart. Looks good though. I’m much happier with Bay than with Kemp.

  248. YankeesLuv July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Bye Bye Manny!!! :)

  249. bphill July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Torre is probably flipping out WHYYYYY

  250. Drew July 31st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    You just KNOW that when ESPN reports this in 15 minutes they’ll declare that “ESPN’s own Buster Olney first reported the story.” ESPN, everyone’s laughing at you.

  251. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Tampa blew it in love with all there prospects. the yhave about 15 of them so they could afford to trade a few.

    sux get bay, and good player but not in Manny’s world. Tampa gets jack… they will regret ther non move, getting bay would have helped tampa and hurt the sux..

    friedman and the rays management are just to cheap…brignac and niemann or whoever. Brignac is not the next jeter they are fools….

  252. Bobby July 31st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Any reason we didn’t get a prospect closer to the bigs for AG? And, boy do I hope this Manny thing is true. It would be good for our old friend Joe.

  253. pat July 31st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    WFAN saying 4 prospects to Pittsburgh. Heyman trying to get details before coming on.

  254. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Funny how every thing comes full circle. Now Joe Torre manages Manny. I could see Larry Bowa hitting Manny with a bat.

  255. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Forget about this news. It isnt as important as…Brandon. How did you get the words to go out of the box? Seriously.

  256. #9 July 31st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    ESPN has the “latest on Brett Favre”

    Maybe he’s part of Manny deal after all…

  257. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Manny out of the AL?

    Wow.

  258. Tank July 31st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Why does ESPN shove NFL down our throats? We are right in the heat of the trade deadline… nobody cares about Farve or T.O.

  259. Patrick â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Kemp is good but why is there such massive love for him on this blog? Don’t get me wrong, he’s young and has great talent but he won’t help the Sox as much as Bay would this season. In the future obviously Kemp would be a better pickup but looking at this season alone Bay would be my choice.

  260. Rockin' Rich July 31st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Manny to the Dodgers! Perfect.

  261. Buzz July 31st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    It might be a tree way trade with pitts,boston,and La

  262. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    4 prospects to the Pirates. So it’s quantity from LA, not quality.

    Great point by Roberts. The pressure on Bay (whose ability to handle it is already questioned) is going to be mammoth.

  263. fred from jersey July 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    can we have a ticker tape parade?

  264. Brent (Yankees Need a Pick-Me-Up) July 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    The Nady/Marte deal, Pudge Rodiguez, Manny deal are three of the biggest deadline trades to affect one team in a long time. (Granted, the manny deal affects the red sox more, but it also helps the yankees)

  265. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    And ESPN is still reporting….Brett Farve. Frankly, Brett Farve’s face is annoying the piss out of me

  266. Brandon July 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Yankees sooo need to groom a shortstop of the future soon…

  267. mko July 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Hmmm, something I don’t understand:
    Wouldn’t it have been smarter for the Dodgers, who basically have a young team that is only going to get better, to straight up trade for Bay instead of Manny?
    He would be under their control longer and isn’t that much worse right now…

  268. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    sorry….FAV-RE

  269. Del From Hieroglyphics July 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    there is no way the dodgers traded kemp…andre ethier definitely, but not kemp.

  270. Jim July 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    NESN is reporting that the sox are getting bay and have not mentioned anything about them getting kemp or any other dodgers

  271. Andrew July 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Yeah that was pretty cool that Brandon’s woo extended the length of my browser.

  272. Buzz July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    “Torre is probably flipping out WHYYYYY”

    Torre is happy why would he be flipping out? manny is a great hitter

  273. #9 July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Have Manny former teammates started trashing him yet? Quick – get a mike to Youk!

  274. frits July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    kemp would have been painful because he’s super young with super star potential. that’s cost-controlled talent for a loooong time.

  275. Real World July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Dodgers get Manny

    Sox get Jason Bay

    Pirates get 4 prospects

    That’s all that WEEI knows at this point.

  276. ErfanK July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.

  277. Joe m July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    ESPN still talking about Bret Favre

  278. MD Mike July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    favre just chartered a plane. he also uses Charmin toliet paper and enjoys long walks after dinner..

  279. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    golf, tennis, and brett favre? are you kidding me espn?

  280. The Dude July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Losing Manny and replacing with Bay is not terrible, but it’s a downgrade. Manny may be one of the toughest outs in the game. Ortiz-Manny is much, much scarier than Ortiz-Bay.

    And, to make things worse, Jason Bay is now the guy the Red Sox traded their beloved Manny for. That’s pressure.

    Bay is no slouch. But Bay is no Manny. As this is a clear downgrade, it is good news for the Yankees.

  281. Laura - Goodbye Manny! Hello PostSeason!! July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    I’m still in shock over this. BOS made a big mistake. Bay is alright, but he’s no Manny. Still, this is great news for Yankee fans. Now, there’s one less Yankee killer to worry about.

  282. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    IT’S CELEBRATION TIME !!

  283. Redding July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Who cares about Alberto Gonzalez?

    The return is irrelevant, we needed to clear room on the 40… not only for guys like Washburn, Aceves, Melancon this year but we have a ton of rule-5 eligible guys this off-season.

  284. PittsburghYankeeFan July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Manny to LA.

    LA minor leaguers to Pirates.

    Bay to Boston.

  285. Bx is burning July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    How long until Bay has some goofy facial hair?

  286. Michael July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Peter,

    They did trade Ohlendorf for Nady/Marte.

  287. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    I would think Epstein wanted Ramirez out of the AL…nothing like him possibly coming back to kill them.

  288. Buzz July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    WOW jason bay hes gonna struggle like nady

  289. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Heyman:

    The Red Sox traded embattled slugger Manny Ramirez to the Dodgers late Thursday afternoon, SI.com has learned.

    Jason Bay is headed to Boston as part of the deal, SI.com has learned. The Pirates will get four minor leaguers in the three-way trade.

    The Red Sox went back-and-forth with the Marlins and Dodgers as the 4 p.m. ET deadline approached. Ramirez said earlier today, as first reported by SI.com, that he would accept a trade to any team.

    The announcement will be made in conjunction with a World Baseball Classic announcement at Dodger Stadium shortly.

  290. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    So far, no mention of Grabow. He’s gotta still be in it, no?

    If not, that hurts more. The Sox still don’t address their need for pen help.

  291. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Jason Bay ain’t Manny Ramirez.

    Nice player, nothing special, despite what stat geeks will argue.

    Bottom line, the Red Sox are hoping Jason Bay can play to a high level in Boston. They KNOW Manny can play at that level.

    Either way, it weakens their team. They didn’t address their bullpen needs (unless this deal includes Grabow or other relief help) and, while getting rid of Manny makes the clubhouse happier, it weakens the team.

    I didn’t think the Red Sox had the onions to do it. Will be interesting to see how it plays out now.

  292. MD Mike July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Wow, if that’s true, the Pirates made out pretty good.

  293. ErfanK July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....to-Dodgers

    as per Ken

  294. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 31st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Not the best setup man in baseball Craig Hansen!

    Say it ain’t so!

    (Gammons sheds a tear and the nation weeps with him)

  295. vinny-b (Cashmoney, Girardi, Nardi, Pettitte, Mo = my NYY 5) July 31st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    “NESN reporting that Francona just left Fenway.

    Would seem to indicate that there will be no announcement of a trade”

    gorilla costume or street clothes?

  296. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Wow!! The Dodgers now have an outfield that consist of buffett eating duos. Im sure they will come up with a nickname for Jones and Manny.

  297. Vader July 31st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    I just got done doing my best impression of Paplebum doing the river dance….in my speedo and all.

    Good day to be a Yankee fan.

  298. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    No matter what happenned with Manny the Red Sox came up seriously short this trade deadline.

    Until a few days ago Boston’s biggest need was to sure up its awful bull pen.

    Their pen is awful and they have no one in the minors to call up and help at the major league level.

    They didn’t do anythig to help their bullpen, did then?

    Brandon: Lo llamaste! :-D

  299. ANSKY July 31st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Manny traded to Chicago for Griffey who’s in turn sent to Florida who sends a squadron of prospects to Tampa who then trades them to Pittsburgh for Jason Bay. in return Boston gets eight AA prospects collectively from the four other teams in the deal, plus the five prospects it gave to Chicago in the trade package with Manny (who Chicago immediately pawned off on Tampa, Florida and Pittsburgh) plus a player to be named later. When asked about basically trading five prospects away and trading FOR them in the same trade, a flummoxed Theo Epstein was hear to mutter “Whuh? … howinnaheck did they actually pull that trick on me?” Player to be named later decided to pull out of the trade but Chicago’s side said to Boston’s side that they’d honestly keep trying to trade him like Boston was honestly trying to trade Manny in the first place.

    Meanwhile, in upstate New York, George Steinbrenner just purchased the entire Northside Little League in Schenectady NY for 5 hundred bucks and a bag of balls, made it an A-ball affiliate of the Yankees (lower case ‘a’, actually), signed Barry Bonds to a minor league deal and assigned him to play there. “If you think he’d hit a lot of HRs over the short porch in Yankee Stadium … “George said “… he’ll hit 357 HR a year there even with games being 6 innings long.”

    In other news, five little leaguers were decapitated in practice by line drives hit by the newest member of their team. Investigators are trying to confirm the age of the new player but Robbie Tedesco the coach of the team said he was really really just a normal 12 year old although he’s just a tad larger than normal from using flaxseed oil since birth. Apparently his mom used it to treat diaper rash, and by the age of two the new kid had become so well endowed he was being scouted by pornographic film makers, offering his mom contracts that kick in the day the kid turns 18. As Tedesco rummaged through a few birth certificates to find that of the new player, he mentioned he was petitioning the league to finance new spandex uniforms, as apparently the new kid’s uniform chafed him a little.

  300. 56Bomber July 31st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    I give Bowa three weeks before he and Manny get into it.

  301. Buzz July 31st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    why are we talking about brett favre? Manny just got traded and we are talking about brett favre?

  302. Nick in SF but now in Ocean City, MD July 31st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Doesn’t Bowa work for the Mariners? He and Torre aren’t married, you know.

  303. Laura - Goodbye Manny! Hello PostSeason!! July 31st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Think about how badly BOS wanted to be rid of Manny. They were willing to possibly sacrifice a postseason birth to get rid of him. Talk about wearing out your welcome!!

  304. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Guys Brandon knew this and didnt share this with us..

  305. CaptainsCorner July 31st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Ortiz say good bye to good pitches to hit. Bay filling in for Ramirez..lol that is a funny one. Bay is nothing special at all. Torre have fun dealing with this crazy person.

  306. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    NESN:

    Hansen and Moss are going to the Pirates, Laroche from the Dodgers

    Sox get Bay

    Dodgers get MAnny

  307. NYY July 31st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    I don’t think Francona will hit Bay behind Ortiz. Youk will probably be behind Ortiz. Tito is a good manager he knows not to put to much pressure on Bay. Sox have the flexibility as they were used this when Ortiz was out for more than a month and they have flexibility with Youk who can bat anywhere in the lineup.

  308. gayle July 31st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Did you say that Craig Hansen was in the deal. Now we know why Gammons is not reporting this he cant believe they traded the best set up man in baseball

  309. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    I live in LA if the dodgers gave up Laroche and some other prospects then they did not give up much…

    I forgot about hansen and ellsbury and that great sux system.. also the SS what’s his name playing for Lugo is nothing special either.. I thought the sux system is so great.. they lose hanses for the pen and who do they add???

  310. Del From Hieroglyphics July 31st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    so the rays trading for bay was complete bullshizzle?

  311. KB July 31st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Pirates did well- LaRoche from LA, Hansen and Moss from Boston and Boston paying manny’s salary.

  312. Jim July 31st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Manny to Dodgers. Craig Hansen, Branden Moss, Andy Laroche, and AA pitcher Morris. Sox get Bay. The red sox traded manny, craig hansen, and branden moss for bay!!!!

  313. Jacob July 31st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Hansen and Moss gone.

  314. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

    Sox got hosed

  315. Drew July 31st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Dudes. The Red Sox didn’t trade Manny because he can’t play baseball. It’s a little disingenous to declare this a bad trade because Manny’s better than Jason Bay. I seem to recall there being a little something about attitude problems, contract issue, etc. that occurred….every year at this time.

  316. #9 July 31st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    The best one-two punch in any baseball line up is gone!

    I’m going to tonite’s game at stadium with a big smile…

  317. Alan Rickman July 31st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Screw Brett Favre I am sick of him.

  318. NYY July 31st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    So Pirates basically got Moss, Hansen & Laroche for Bay..Very good for them. Sox get Bay for 2 months of Manny…not good..not bad either.

  319. Redding July 31st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Remember… the Dodgers are only getting him for 2 months and that’s it, so obviously thats why didn’t give up much.

  320. raymagnetic â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Doesn’t B.J. stand for Boss Jr? If so that is a killer nickname.

  321. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Best trade season in this team’s history. Nady and Marte for questionable minor leaguers. Pudge for Krazy Kyle. And Manny to the NL. Meanwhile, the Rays have their pants around their ankles. Sox could still win the wildcard, but we’re easy favorites for the division.

  322. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Dodgers made a great deal

  323. Bleacher Creature July 31st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ml?eref=T1

  324. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    So, the Sox give up Manny, Hansen and Moss (who they were trying to trade for Ron Mahay) and only got Bay back in return?

    Is that right? Seems a small return for trading Manny, no?

  325. 34hughes July 31st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    i would of gotten hermida instead pirates killed the deal once again like with the yankees

  326. Melky Fan Club July 31st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    The best thing about Joe is he controls personalities.. Well here ya go Joe.. here is Manny

  327. Y's Guy July 31st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    nice birdie putt by tom kite on espn, so what’s this about manny?

  328. Drew July 31st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Go ESPN!:

    ———
    “Manny Ramirez’s stormy relationship with the Boston Red Sox appears to be over.

    A baseball source has confirmed Ramirez has been traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers, ESPN.com has learned.”
    ———-

    And who was your “baseball source”? Every other news agency in the free world?

  329. Frank (Manny's gone and I think I like it) July 31st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Man-Ram is history.

  330. bphill July 31st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox. With Manny going to the dodgers.

  331. Buzz July 31st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Redsox lost alot wow jason bay for manny

  332. Laura - Goodbye Manny! Hello PostSeason!! July 31st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    What is Bay’s contract status?

  333. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    “Hansen and Moss gone.”

    Meh on both counts. None of us thought as highly of Hansen as Gammons et al. But the Sox don’t get Grabow to fill his spot? That is rough.

  334. ThecanoCannon (Second Half Record--9-3) July 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Man said to see that about Hanson he was born and raised in my town got to see him pitch in high school when he was on our school team and his brother will be following his footsteps soon Hanson was a huge Yankee fan also and wanted to get drafted by them

  335. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    john grabow to the marlins….

  336. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    So let me get this straight… the Sox go from the greatest RBI guy to the worst RBI guy? lol

  337. Buzz July 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    and again Peter gammons was wrong

  338. mko July 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Doesn’t B.J. stand for Boss Jr? If so that is a killer nickname.

    Even better, it stands for “Bossman Jr.” :D

  339. Andrew July 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Man ESPN really blew that one, didn’t they? And they’re supposed to be so connected to the Red Sox front office, I thought.

  340. bphill July 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    whats even better, is matt kemp or james loney weren’t involved. thats great.

  341. Melky Fan Club July 31st, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    STFU ABOUT FARVE ESPN!!! I HATE U GUYS

  342. NYY July 31st, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Damien Moss???

    Or is it Brandon Moss??

  343. Patrick â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    “Nice player, nothing special, despite what stat geeks will argue.”

    Chill with the stat geek stuff.

    Bay is an all-star player but he’s not Manny Ramirez. Manny is one of the best hitters in the game, even the “stat geeks” will agree with you there.

  344. 56Bomber July 31st, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Bowa and Manny – perfect together.

  345. YankeeFan July 31st, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    So lemme get this straight, Craig Hansen, Brandon Moss, Manny Ramirez for Jason Bay??

  346. Laura - Goodbye Manny! Hello PostSeason!! July 31st, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    I think that we may be forgetting something. Getting rid of Manny, while an offensive loss, will be a clubhouse gain for the Crock Sox. They may actually play better with Manny gone. Who knows how much of a distraction his presence was. They may play better than ever now (although I can’t see Ortiz benefiting from this!).

  347. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    They traded Randy Moss from the Pats, too? This trade is better than I thought.

  348. Steve July 31st, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    This is just sad. Apparently the Pirates were desperate to give Jason Bay to the Red Sox. They couldnt find a way to hand him over with the Marlins so they jumped on the Dodgers deal. I cant wait to hear what crap they go in return.

  349. pat July 31st, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    “They didn’t do anythig to help their bullpen, did they?”

    They got rid of Hansen. That should help. :smile:

  350. NYY July 31st, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    lemme get this straight, Craig Hansen, Brandon Moss, Manny Ramirez for Jason Bay??

    Its actually Manny, Brandon Moss, Hansenand 7 Mil in cash for Bay.

  351. Mehdi hope the REd Sox Season tanks sooner than later July 31st, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    per Heyman:

    Pittsburgh gets Craign Hansen and Brandon Moss, both from Boston, as well as third baseman Andy LaRoche from the Dodgers and a fourth minor leaguer who has yet to be confirmed.

    The Red Sox are paying the $7 million remaining on Ramirez’s $20 million salary for this year.

    so they trade 3 players for 1 and pay 7 mil on top of that. I guess that’s how much it costs to get rid of a distraction these days.

  352. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 31st, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Jason Bay. The Nation turns it’s lonely eyes to you.

  353. Central CT Yankee July 31st, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Where the heck is Manny gonna take a piss now?

  354. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    I’m hearing La Roche is going from LA.

  355. The Dude July 31st, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    I think the fact that the Red Sox had to pay to get rid of Manny, AND give up Moss and Hansen, suggests that they reeeeeaalllllly wanted him gone. They knew they’d get someone good back, but Manny, Hansen, AND Moss for Bay is just too much.

    Best deadline ever? Maybe. If Cashman found a way to land a real starter…

  356. ray (sox fan) July 31st, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    It is Brandon Moss.

  357. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    This basically confirms that Manny+Boras had a gun to Theo’s head. This was a last minute desperation move. He has to be furious at the Marlins for killing a deal that at least would have gotten him a good lefty in the pen.

  358. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Interesting. They lose Manny’s bat, a great wide receiver in Randy Moss and get rid of a bullpen guy as well.

  359. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 31st, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    and the miami media is relieved…they are talking about manny like he is a leper… John Grabow is going to the marlins, i am not sure for who yet.

  360. NYY July 31st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    The Sox r better off without Manny…Atleast based on the distraction he has been for them so far this season.

  361. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    From MLB.com: The Pirates will be announcing a trade shortly, as they are a part of a three-team trade that involves the Pirates, Dodgers and Red Sox. According to an industry source, Manny Ramirez has been dealt to the Dodgers. The Pirates are believed to have gotten Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen from Boston and Bryan Morris and Andy LaRoche, the brother of Pirates’ Adam LaRoche, from Los Angeles. Boston is believed to have received Bay.

  362. LathamJoe July 31st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    “A baseball source has confirmed Ramirez has been traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers, ESPN.com has learned.”

    Big Papi will now lead the World in Intentional BBs!

  363. Don Pratt July 31st, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    listen…that’s the sound of Big Papi’s average dropping to .200. No guaranteed fast ball security blanket for Ortiz, now we are going to see the reason why the Twins traded him all those years ago.

  364. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    He’s an all star player because every team has to have one Patrick.

    He’s a decent player. Folks here have twisted his stats so much in the past couple of days, you would think he was Manny Ramirez.

    The Red Sox traded a first ballot HOF’er for a decent player. Not an upper level star. Its not a talent for talent trade.

    Must mean the Red Sox really did get sick of Manny this time. It must have been really bad in that clubhouse for them to do this deal, given what they got in return.

    Essentially, its a one for one deal: Ramirez for Bay.

    What’s worse is, the time taken to do this deal, kept the Red Sox from replenishing its real weakness. Their bullpen.

    Amazing end to Manny’s career in Boston.

    Now, he’s Joe Torre’s problem. Wonder how Torre feels about that today?

  365. mko July 31st, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Wow, I just saw that Hanley Ramirez was the Red Sox top prospect and they traded him to the Marlins for Beckett and Lowell? (I wasn’t following baseball back then.)
    Hmmm…might have been a deal that worked out for both sides but Hanley Ramirez…wow what a player.

    And wasn’t Brandon Moss a big prospect as well? So they actually had to part with good talent there…

  366. kyle July 31st, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    torre will have fun with manny :)

  367. Andrew July 31st, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Handed over Jason Bay? They get to team up the LaRoche brothers! And, they get the best reliever in the American League, plus a guy that hit a home run in Japan on opening day. They must be ecstatic!

    Seriously, though, LaRoche was a bigtime prospect, he struggled this year but they could use a high-upside position player like him.

  368. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    I can’t wait for the fallout in Boston…no doubt, Bay will be solid, but not like Ramirez. I just want to know what Boras/Ramirez said to Epstein to make him pull this deal out, giving up so much….

  369. rconn23 July 31st, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    I’m just glad to see Manny gone, as any Yanks fan should be. But let’s not forget, Craig Hansen sucks. And Moss is not really even an average player.

    I think Epstein did about the best he could do.

    But still, so happy to see Manny gone.

  370. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Is this for real? Manny to the Dodgers and Matt Kemp still tucked away safely in LA? Can someone post a link verifying that Kemp is not on the move please?

    If they got him back, it’s a reason to mourn, not celebrate. But if they got Bay? YAAAAAYYY!!!!

  371. Jim July 31st, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    It is funny because now the NESN guys are saying how they saw no way that manny could come back and be productive, when 51 minutes ago they were praising the sox 4 keeping him and how ortiz could turn him around

  372. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    so the red sox give up brandon moss, craig hansen, and manny and get jason bay…sounds like a bad deal for them, although maybe unavoidable given the circumstances…unfortunately i think they’ll still have a pretty good team

  373. S July 31st, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    So…

    We shafted the Pirates…

    The Pirates shafted the Red Sox…

    Can we say we shafted the Red Sox, indirectly?

  374. Bob Jones-I want farnsy back July 31st, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    manny+gone=happy times

  375. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    “The inclusion of Moss and Hansen when they could have been used in other deals makes this an especially unimpressive deal for Boston. One could argue that Bay is as valuable as Ramirez once defense is taken into account, but there are certainly plenty of AL teams glad that the Red Sox made this trade.”

    No ch*t!!! Red Sox traded 3 guys, including the best hitter in their lineup, for Jason Bay lol We HAVE TO hear later that the Red Sox are getting more cause Jason Bay is not enough for those 3

  376. mike July 31st, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    love how espn is still talking about favre. my head is going to explode if i hear one more word about him or the packers, or about the chartered flight he has which has been scrolling on the bottom of the screen for 5 hours

  377. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    “Now, he’s Joe Torre’s problem. Wonder how Torre feels about that today?”

    Torre’s dealt with wacky personalities before. I’m sure he’s thrilled to have a -huge- new bat in the middle of his lineup. Manny will be rejuvenated to get out of Boston.

  378. Call me Crazy July 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Sox just got better against the league and worse against the Yanks

  379. Red Sox Fan July 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Hey everyone. I am so pleased about this deal:
    - I wanted Manny gone. He causes way too much drama for the Sox. And Ray is a good substitute for his bat (though I doubt anything will ever come close to matching Manny).
    - I feel like the Sox rushed Hansen to the big leagues and now he is very unreliable. I’m glad to see him pitching for someone else.
    - I absolutely love Moss. Great player with great potential. However, with this outfield in Boston, there was no way he’d be given a fair chance. He deserves to be a starter.

    I wonder how Joe Torre will manage Manny in LA =]

  380. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    MANNY’S GONE!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  381. Tom July 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    The Sox gave up Manny, Hansen, Brandon Moss AND 7 million for Jason Bay! Way to go Theo!

  382. YankeeFan July 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    What’s up with Pete Abe telling us that the Rays got Bay??

  383. Mikeyd July 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    latham joe: workin? or hardly workin? haha ABSOLUTEly right?? it’s mike, still followin the blog you suggested even though im stuck out in colorado now! i miss talkin yanks everyday!

  384. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Torre has handled head cases for years and very well i might add…It’s Bowa i’m worried about and i cant wait for first time mattingly tries to give manny some batting advice….

  385. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    What’s funny is that they could have traded Brandon Moss straight up for Mahay earlier if reports are true.

    So they gave up a good lefty in the pen to sweeten the pot to get rid of Manny for Bay.

    Unbelievable.

    We’re all going to find out fast what Bay is made of. No matter where he bats, the pressure on him in Boston will be huge.

  386. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    “So…

    We shafted the Pirates…

    The Pirates shafted the Red Sox…

    Can we say we shafted the Red Sox, indirectly?”

    Bingo, we shafted the Sox :)

  387. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    i can’t believe i have to watch nesn right now for deadline coverage

  388. Bret the Hitman July 31st, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Basically, the Sox weren’t going to keep Manny beyond this year and they filled LF with a solid all around baseball player with similar power to Manny at this current time, better defense and far more speed.

    This is not such a horrible deal for the Sox. Bay, Ellsbury, Drew is a decent, relatively young outfield. They seem set offensively.

    Their bullpen looks vulnerable, but then again, same goes for the Rays.

    Overall, I must say that Brian Cashman ran circles around the AL East GM’s.

  389. bphill July 31st, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    How could a redsox fan be happy? you gave up 2 players and manny for jason bay…thats a bad trade i’m sorry, but i’m happy cause i’m a yankee fan.

  390. Andrew [in] Orlando July 31st, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    My god, that trade is HORRIBLE. As a Yankee fan i’m completely stoked. But how is this trade made, seriously? Manny, two prospects, $7 million for Jason overrated Bay?? I wouldn’t take him for free on my fantasy baseball team and that doesn’t count defense.

  391. Jorge Steinbrenner July 31st, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Torre and Manny…….”lol” is an understatement here.

    …and so begins the inevitable downfall of the Boston Red Sox. i can smell the natural order of things returning, which is us beating their a$$es year in, year out.

  392. al arodien July 31st, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    sox are done for the season! bye bye! we with tampa will compete!

  393. Bryan July 31st, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    The Pirates will receive relief pitcher Craig Hansen and outfielder Brandon Moss from Boston, in addition to third baseman Andy LaRoche and right-handed pitcher Bryan Morris from the Dodgers.

    The Red Sox will pay the remaining $7 million of Ramirez’s salary this season. Ramirez has $20 million club options for 2009 and 2010.

  394. Jim July 31st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    and the red sox are paying 7 million to the dodgers!!!

  395. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    dodgers press conference right now

  396. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Steve Phillips brought up what is going to happen when Manny doesn’t hustle, and Larry Bowa gets in his face.

  397. benfica356 July 31st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    if u didnt kno this yet, Hawkins was traded to Astros for Minor league infielder Matt Cusick. Cash also included going to astros. The 22-year-old Cusick was hitting .285 with nine home runs and 38 RBIs in 94 games for Class-A Lexington. The Astros selected him in the 10th round of the 2007 draft.

  398. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    dodgers press conference right now

  399. Vin July 31st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Let’s hear Gammons spin this one…

  400. voiii July 31st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Jason Bay is JD Drew lite…Nothing more…His stats with RISP are horrible…He is going to the biggest pressure cooker in MLB outside of the Bronx… This is terrible trade for Boston on paper…Anything can happen, but I feel alot better about the Yankees playing Boston.

  401. pat July 31st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    “I get it that Boston wanted to get rid of Manny. But the Red Sox traded three players (including Manny Ramirez) and $7 million for Jason Bay. That’s a hell of a lot for Jason Bay.”

    No pressure Jason! :smile:

  402. rconn23 July 31st, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    SJ44,

    You’re my favorite poster here, but I’ve got to disagree.

    Bay is a very good player who had a down season last year. He’s a 30-HR, 100 RBI guy. He’s not Manny, I think we can all agree. But he’s a very good player and were he not on the Pirates, his numbers would get a lot more notice.

    And as for Torre having to put up with Manny – I think he’ll relish having someone else in his lineup who can hit, other than Martin. I think it’s a great move for the Dodgers who can easily take what is a lousy division.

  403. Rishi July 31st, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Andrew (Bristol, NH): So Boston gives up Manny, Moss and Hansen to get Bay? Is that really worth it for this year and going forward?

    Rob Neyer: (4:52 PM ET ) Yeah, I think this is a fantastic deal for the Red Sox, as they’ve got Bay next season for $7.5 million. See, this is why they win ever year … they’re just smarter than everybody else.

  404. Bryan July 31st, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    So “one of the great deal makers” in Theo Epstein gave up Ramirez, Brandon Moss, and Craig Hansen for Jason Bay !

  405. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 31st, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    is there tv coverage of it?

  406. CB July 31st, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    This is a really complex trade.

    Off the bat – the red sox paid pretty dearly to get Jason Bay.

    This is a much worse deal for them than the original one with the Pirates and Marlins. No Grabow. They had to trade additional players along with Manny in order to satisfy Pittsburgh.

    Brandon Moss was looking like a decent 4th outfielder or a LF on a so-so team. Hansen was hansen but he still throws in the high 90′s. Losing those two hurts the Sox because it takes away from their depth and they lose two trade pieces for the future.

    Their bull pen was a huge problem – instead of adding to it at the deadline they subtracted from it (though perhaps losing hansen was addition by subtraction…).

    The Sox had no leverage and this was the closer to the kind of deal I thought they would be forced to pull off.

    That said, the Sox still did well to get Bay given the terrible situation they were in with Manny and then with Florida trying to extort a few additional millions from them.

    The Sox are a weaker team now – but not as weak as they could have been given how bad things had gotten with Manny.

  407. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    I can’t believe the Pirates came away with both LaRoche and Moss.

  408. Red Sox Fan July 31st, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Have you seen Hansen pitch? I groan every time he is brought into the game. And I will sorely miss Moss. He is probably going to be a great player. But the Sox need someone with proven skill and Bay provides that. Moss would never have had a fair chance to play in Boston.

    Though, I do admit that your team pulled off amazing deal after amazing deal this year. Congrats – as I said before, lets knock the Rays out of first and return to the normal top two of Sox and Yanks.

  409. Al July 31st, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Jason Bay of
    4 years/$18.25M (2006-09)

    signed extension 11/05
    $1M signing bonus
    06:$0.75M, 07:$3.25M, 08:$5.75M, 09:$7.5M

    1 year/$0.355M (2005), renewed 3/05
    1 year/$0.305M (2004)
    drafted 2000 (22-645)
    agent: Joe Urbon, Octagon Baseball
    ML service: 4.080

  410. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Never thought that the Sox would trade Manny. What great news! Pittsburgh was really active this week,

  411. ThecanoCannon (Second Half Record--9-3) July 31st, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    So lets see Bay is replacing Manny production, Bay is hitting 190 against Lefties, and he is hitting 216 wit RISP man we should intentinal walk ortiz even tho a mans on 1st and and put runners in scoring position and pitch to bay

  412. migames July 31st, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    actually jason bay was the starting RF for the Allstar game in 2006 and he and Freddy Sanchez were both chosen. So let’s not dismiss his selection to the all star was because he they needed someone to represent that team

  413. Mehdi hope the REd Sox Season tanks sooner than later July 31st, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    haha from some dolt on SoSH”

    “This is an unbelievable deal once you consider the position Manny and Boras put the Sox FO in. To get Bay with just giving up Moss and Hansen is a major coup – the cash was already rationed off for the rest of Ramirez’s salary, and giving up Moss and Hansen for what turns out to be a ~2 win upgrade is a steal. Great deal by Theo and the whole FO.”

    That didn’t take long for delusion to set in.

  414. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    For some reason, I don’t see any trolls in here.

  415. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Peter Gammons is AWOL due to a panic attack. Apparently Moss was being held in case Manny was going to be gone (to be the 4th OF), but now he is even gone. I don’t get it. Fine by me.

  416. Patrick â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    SJ44,

    Jason Bay would be an allstar on any team. He’s had one bad season which was last year but over his career he has been a great player. Jason Bay is not Manny Ramirez obviously.

    Manny from 1999-2006 is a TON better than Jason Bay will ever be but Manny isn’t putting up 1.000 OPS anymore. Bay is consistently a .900+ OPS player. I’m not so sure what Manny is at this point in his career. Maybe Manny will go back to being a top 3 bat in the league but who knows?

    If I had to choose one or the other theres no question in my mind I’d pick Manny but I think most of you on here are underrating Bay.

    Despite my thoughts on Bay I think the Sox got ripped on this deal. It shows how desperate Theo was to get rid of Ramirez.

  417. Laura - Goodbye Manny! Hello PostSeason!! July 31st, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    After hearing that BOS also had to pay money, this is one of the worse BOS deals that I can remember.

  418. rconn23 July 31st, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    So the Pirates receive a fourth outfielder, a crappy reliever and LaRoche, who may or may not pan out. Sorry, doesn’t sound like a good haul to me on their end.

  419. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    My o my, the mayhem in New England when Bay gets exposed …

  420. Rishi July 31st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Bryan (Crown Heights, NY): Bay’s stats are as good as Manny’s this year, he is six years younger, better defensively, and signed to an exceptional contract. Sox fans should be celebrating.

    Rob Neyer: (4:56 PM ET ) Yes. Exactly. Thank you, Bryan. My only caveat is that Bay’s been in a hitter’s park in the lesser league. But he’ll be fine.

  421. Global Warming - Resign the Farns July 31st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Bay is a horrible outfielder and strikes out a ton. With a bat he’s a good player but nothing special.

    Boston is not a better team with him in there. That’s the bottomline.

  422. Reality Check July 31st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    It is essentially a 1 for 1 deal, but you have to keep in mind what the bosox were offering was only a 2 month Manny rental, as the 2 option years are gone. So to get Bay for just 2 months of Manny is not bad, I hate to admit. That said, he is definitely not Manny and there is a big question mark whether he can play under pressure. His risp ba was awful even in his best year (ca. .260). And he is terible vs. lefties.

  423. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Offseason move for the Yankees is to sign Manny.

    ignore his antics, they would change playing for the Yankees.

    But in signing him, the Yankees have a legitimate DH, coverage when Posada doesn’t heal right and does not return the value of his overvalued contract,eliminates the need to resign Damon, provides coverage for Matsui when his knees start barking, but most of all Manny can still hit.

    Plus, he would provide great coverage for ARod just like he does for Ortiz.

  424. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    “Though, I do admit that your team pulled off amazing deal after amazing deal this year. Congrats – as I said before, lets knock the Rays out of first and return to the normal top two of Sox and Yanks.”

    Cant argue with that.

  425. bphill July 31st, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Bay is a good player, but he hits .212 with RISP. Manny is a much better clutch hitter.

  426. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 31st, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Here’s how Gammons will spin this;

    Gammons:

    “Theo once again pulled a rabbit out of his hat today. To be able to trade a disgruntled fading Manny for an All Star great in the clubhouse and perfect in the community guy like Bay is nothing short of a miracle. Bay has already done 3 appearances at local Boston firehouses and has posed for a billboard for the Jimmy Fund.

    Manny has declined rapidly in front of our eyes. Whispers of his PED use were rampant in baseball, not to mention he had a 7 foot bong he kept in his locker.

    The Red Sox are once again the class of major league baseball.

    Not only did they trade Manny, but they paid 7 million to help the cash strapped Dodgers survive not to mention they generously gave Pittsburgh two players from their surplus of top flight prospects, although in recent weeks the team felt that Hansen was a bad guy in the clubhouse and had some growing up to do.

    This is a win win for Boston and Theo Epstein should be dipped in bronze immediately. This is Peter Gammons. “

  427. Laura - Goodbye Manny! Hello PostSeason!! July 31st, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    I don’t think Francona is going to put Bay behind Ortiz if he’s horrible with RISP. He’ll either go with Drew, Lowell or Youk and put Bay behind them. Regardless of where Bay is, Ortiz will be getting walked on a regular basis.

  428. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Rob Neyer is a moron. And oh yeah, doesn’t he work for RESPN?

  429. Andrew [in] Orlando July 31st, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    How the hell is Neyer basically gonna say Bay is an upgrade?? No respect for him.

  430. Evan July 31st, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Jason Bay’s almost as good as Manny, and the Red Sox will have him in 2009 for only $7.5 mil. That’s a great deal for them, financially, as they would’ve had to pony up lots of money to replace Ramirez in the offseason.
    Let’s cross our fingers and hope Brandon Moss puts up Jason Bay numbers for Pitssburgh next year.

  431. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Bay is a horrible outfielder and strikes out a ton. With a bat he’s a good player but nothing special.

    Boston is not a better team with him in there. That’s the bottomline.

    Absolutely correct. This is not a good signing for Boston. It is a reaction to rid themselves of Manny. Bad choice by Theo. Who will protect Ortiz now? Varitek, Drew, Youklis…not exactly three hitters to strike fear in a pitcher if the pitcher has the choice of pitching around Ortiz.

  432. PittsburghYankeeFan July 31st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    I am proud to be a Pittsburgh Yankee Fan at this moment.

    Very proud.

    Replenish the farm in the Burgh, screw the Sox and the Rays, all in 4-5 days!

    Well done, Yunz.

  433. Red Sox Fan July 31st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    I’m leaving in a minute to do some volunteer work. I just wanted to add that yes, the lineup is A LOT weaker without Manny. This could be one of the worst moves ever made by the FO.

    However, I believe that chemistry of a team contributes a lot too. Maybe a fresh new face and the disappearnce of a jacka$$ will help the team.

  434. Bobby July 31st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    CB-

    This is a much worse return than the rumored marlins deal, you’re right. I don’t know much about Bay, but, as Pete said, that’s a ton to give up for him. Manny and two good prospects. By the way, Ken Rosenthal broke the story at 3:37 while ESPN had it at 4:43. Also USA Today had it very early on.

  435. migames July 31st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    sadly rob neyer is one of the smartest guys on espn

  436. LathamJoe July 31st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Hey Mikeyd! Great to hear from you! This is the best Yankees blog EVER for up-to-date Yankee news and intelligent commentary.

    Great trading deadline news to see Manny out of the Red Sox lineup. Jason Bay can’t even come close to replacing Manny’s bat.

    Yankkes still need an upgrade at the No. 4 starter spot – hopefully Hughes, Aceves, Horne,…or dare I say, Pavano?? can step up in August/September.

  437. The Fallen Phoenix July 31st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Bay is not going to be a 1.000 OPS guy in his prime like Manny was, obviously. Not very many players are.

    But he can still put up a .900 OPS (he’s at .894 right now), is 29, and cheap for two more years (the next two years closest to his prime).

    Manny, this season, has been a .926 OPS guy (.023 difference in OBP, .010 difference in SLG), but has found ways out of the lineup against some of the premier fastball-throwing pitchers in the AL (Joba, Felix, etc.).

    Furthermore, his defense isn’t particularly special, and Boston wasn’t going to pick up his $20 million option next year.

    There might be a slight downgrade from Manny to Bay, and if Bay requires an adjustment period (like J.D. Drew required last year), that downgrade will obviously be far more pronounced. That’s the big thing I would worry about, if I were the Red Sox: Bay’s ability to adjust to AL pitching (and fielding balls off the Green Monster).

    But this was a great long-term trade for the Red Sox, especially since they didn’t really give up significant prospects. I do think it’s very easy to overstate the Manny to Bay downgrade for this season, and I would not be surprised if Bay puts up very solid numbers moving forward.

    Additional comparisons between Bay and Manny (this season):

    Manny has a LD% of 18.6, Bay 17.6.
    Therefore, Manny has been luckier in BABIP (.344) versus Bay (.307), but part of that could have been due to hits off the monster.

    Bay has a lower GB% (37.2 vs. 41.2) but hits fewer HRs per FBs (16.3 vs. 18.8).

    So the difference in offense between the two hitters this season has not really been pronounced. Manny has slightly more power, while also getting a bit luckier on base hits. You can point to Bay’s middling performance in RISP situations this season, but over the course of a career one’s rates in RISP will always trend towards a player’s career rates.

    Again, I would certainly project Manny for greater offensive performance for the remainder of the season, particularly if he’s motivated in LA. But I do think a lot of people are needlessly selling Bay short. I doubt he leads Boston to a championship (again, he’s not going to be a .950 – 1.000 OPS guy like Manny was in his prime), but offensively, he *is* one of the top LFs in the game when healthy, and Boston has him at a bargain rate for another two years. That’s nothing to sneeze at.

  438. Bryan (Yankees fan) July 31st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Manny and Bay are in different worlds

  439. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Manny will be a unanimous hall of famer. He’s one of the greatest hitters we’ve seen. 100 OPS points is not all that separates Jason Bay from him. He’s a player with good raw ability (still not even close to Manny’s) but he’s been a bad clutch performer and now he has huge shoes to fill in one of the media crucibles of baseball.

  440. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    G Love… that was funny. You should write for ESPN.. Classic.

  441. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    No question, the Sox were desperate to get rid of Manny.

    Jason Bay is a good player. Is he a difference maker? Is he a guy teams say, “We can’t make him beat us”?

    I don’t think so.

    Who knows, perhaps he will be that player in Boston.

    All I know is, Manny Ramirez, even when is at his whack job best, IS that kind of player. One of the few players in the game that makes the guys around him in the order better just by his presence.

    They had a chance to spin Moss into Mahay today. Instead, they had to include him in the Manny deal just to get the deal done. They weren’t able to get bullpen help.

    Basically, this is a “Manny Dump”. As good a player as Bay is, they gave up an awful lot to get him.

    Man, things must have gotten REALLY bad in Boston for them to do this deal. This is the perverbial, “gun to your head” deal.

  442. JJ July 31st, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Jay Bay .190 vs lefties Put that in ya Pink B hat and smoke it.
    BTW If Torre can manage Sheff, he can handle Manny.

    Next year Manny will be DH for NYY

  443. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    I’m a little worried.

    It all seems too good to be true. I’m almost waiting for the other shoe to drop =P

    Well, what’s done is done.

    Let’s have the Yankees win their game tonight, yeah?

    How amazing would it be if we could go 3-1 vs. LAA? Would that not make for the greatest weekend (not in October) ever?

  444. CB July 31st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    This was not a good deal for Pittsburgh. From their perspective its an unimpressive haul.

    LaRoche is a very good prospect but most of the other talent isn’t that great.

    I would have wanted to get at least one pitching prospect with some upside for Bay.

    Don’t understand why they would feel pressed to move him now instead of the off season.

  445. Andrew [in] Orlando July 31st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    If anyone thinks this is a good idea, think of it this way…who would you rather see at the plate in fenway. bot 9th, yanks up one, 2 outs…

    bay or manny?

    there’s no way you bay. end of story.

  446. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    Here’s how Gammons will spin this;

    Gammons:

    “Theo once again pulled a rabbit out of his hat today. To be able to trade a disgruntled fading Manny for an All Star great in the clubhouse and perfect in the community guy like Bay is nothing short of a miracle. Bay has already done 3 appearances at local Boston firehouses and has posed for a billboard for the Jimmy Fund.

    Manny has declined rapidly in front of our eyes. Whispers of his PED use were rampant in baseball, not to mention he had a 7 foot bong he kept in his locker.

    The Red Sox are once again the class of major league baseball.

    Not only did they trade Manny, but they paid 7 million to help the cash strapped Dodgers survive not to mention they generously gave Pittsburgh two players from their surplus of top flight prospects, although in recent weeks the team felt that Hansen was a bad guy in the clubhouse and had some growing up to do.

    This is a win win for Boston and Theo Epstein should be dipped in bronze immediately. This is Peter Gammons. “

    :lol:

  447. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    “gun to your head” absolutely…I’m listening to LA Radio from EsPN.com, talking about the deal. They are obviously thrilled out there, with Ramirez and Teixeira coming in the past 2 days.

  448. Redding July 31st, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Pete – get us some reaction from the players on this.

  449. harry July 31st, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    The Curse of the Manny begins today. A long, sad, aggravating century it’s going to be if you’re a Sox fan. Yankee fans rejoice. And congratulations to the Dodgers and Torre–2008 World Champions.

  450. SamVA July 31st, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Does anyone else see at the end of the season when we make the playoffs and the sox don’t, Manny going to an L.A. night club and freestyling to the tune of “Red Sox Can’t do it without me”

  451. j July 31st, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    that trade was highway robbery for the pirtaes and dodgers

  452. migames July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    can we PLEASE stop talking about Bay’s average with RISP in 2008….this is how it works out, his career numbers are 281/375/505 his career numbers with RISP is 280/392/509

  453. PittsburghYankeeFan July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Fallen:

    Spin it any way you want.

    Ortiz is getting nothing to hit if Youk or Bay behind him. That, plus the shift, plus a bum wrist = Ortiz frustration.

    I love Jason, he was a fixture here in the Burgh, but he is no Manny.

  454. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    “How amazing would it be if we could go 3-1 vs. LAA? Would that not make for the greatest weekend (not in October) ever?”

    I’m looking at it as a week. From the moment Joba took the mound at Fenway Friday night, just an incredible series of events.

  455. yankee2123 July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    This is the end of the Sox as we know them. They will become the 99-2003 Sox again, and we will dominate them like we used to. All is right again. Maybe it was necessary to deal Manny, but that lineup will never be the same. Mike Lowell, Bay, Pedroia, or whoever else you put behind Ortiz is no Manny Ramirez. That lineup has a huge hole in it, and all of those hitters will suffer. Boston will occupy third place before long. C-Ya!

  456. raymagnetic â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Have two brothers ever played together on the same team before? I ask because of the Laroche brothers if anyone is wondering.

  457. Mikeyd July 31st, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Joe: I was really hoping to see them boot sir sidney for a better starter but no dice! Do you remember talking to me on your birthday? haha I called you randomly and you called me back later on in the night, needless to say, it sounded like you might not remember in the morning haha

  458. Wolf In Pinstripes July 31st, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    I probably consider Jason Bay to be better than many people here have commented regarding him, but this is still overpaying by a mile to get rid of the Manny headache.

    I usually respect Rob Neyer for the most part, but I have no idea what he is smoking at the moment. It would be one thing to say the Sox did the best they could and got a very good player. It’s another thing entirely to make it out like the Sox were the big winners in this trade and are smarter than everyone else. HUGE stretch, Rob Neyer.

    And how does this poster quoted from SoSH figure they just got a 2 win upgrade? Did he forget to include Manny’s production that they are losing in that equation? It’s like somebody bragging about how they won $10 on a lottery ticket that they paid $20 for.

  459. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    G.Love: That post is amazing.

  460. The Fallen Phoenix July 31st, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    And for the record – most reports *seem* to be pointing to Florida killing the previous three-way, not Pittsburgh. No one seems to really know what prospects were on the table, and LaRoche is a very, very good bat, but I’d like to think the Pirates might have had a better package coming to them than they received in this trade, at least in terms of upside.

    That said, while Andy LaRoche is a high price to pay for a couple of months of Manny, it could have been worse for Dodgers fans. If I were Pittsburgh, I would have done everything in my power to pry him loose, and I’m sure Neil Huntington did just that. Still, Dodgers fans should be ecstatic that they’re getting Manny and keeping Kemp, too. That’s huge.

    Incidentally, I had asked over at BP whether there was a shot for the Red Sox to revive the three-way swapping Pittsburgh for LA. I didn’t think it’d be Florida on the outside-looking-in, but c’est la vie.

  461. Laura - Goodbye Manny! Hello PostSeason!! July 31st, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    “Man, things must have gotten REALLY bad in Boston for them to do this deal. This is the perverbial, “gun to your head” deal.”

    I’m thinking that some things must have went down that weren’t reported to the media. I mean, they didn’t even get a pitcher back and they paid cash!!! I know that people say that Bay is good, but come on people! He ain’t that good. Manny will go to the HOF on his first try. How many people think that Bay is HOF material?

  462. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    the bottom line from all of this is that as good as bay is, and as good as he may end up being, he is not going to hit .471 against the yankees like manny. bay is an overrated player who’s average is going to drop 20 points in the al and lose 10 homers a season

  463. Nick July 31st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Boston’s weak 7-8-9 hitters are still around. Boston’s weak middle relief is still around.
    Does Theo Epstein think Jason Bay will carry the team ?

  464. LathamJoe July 31st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Girardi on WFAN right now…THRILLED about Manny being gone!

  465. Nigel July 31st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Jason Bay’s splits against lefties this year:
    .190 .333 .345

  466. PAT M July 31st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Jason Bay is an above average ballplayer…Frankly I think Nagy is the better ballplayer…..Fundamentaly a sounder more rounded player….And he was cheap, plus when you add in Marte it’s a slam dunk…..Yanks will be playing in October

  467. PittsburghYankeeFan July 31st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    SJs point is an excellent one.

    The Sox were so caught up in this that they could not get Mahay.

    Their BP is worse than yesterday, since at a minimum all the middle guys are going to get a bit more tired without Hansen to mop up.

  468. Jeter2007 July 31st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    great job by pirates, good day for dodgers & yanks

  469. Global Warming - Resign the Farns July 31st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Stop mentioning Bays contract. He is signed for 8 million next year but if you included the money Boston paid the Dodgers it’s more like 15 Million.

  470. Doreen July 31st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    First, Pete, I want to thank you for the Pudge audio – I didn’t see the press conference being in and out all day. He sounds very professional and I think he’ll do a good job for the Yankees. I liked his demeanor, or what I could discern of it via audio. He seemed at ease enough with the media, and that’s a biggie here in NY.

    WOW! Manny is not a BoSox anymore.

    I can’t say I’m surprised. The latest “stuff” was more than ever before and you can’t conduct a pennant race with that kind of distraction, not knowing what kind of cooperation you’re going to get from the player you count on the most. Jason Bay isn’t Manny Ramirez, no, and that’s both a good thing and a bad thing for Boston. It certainly is a relief, as a Yankee fan, to know that any future series with Boston won’t have the one-two (Manny/Ortiz) punch. But they’ll still be formidable and I’m sure the Yankees know that.

    Manny to the Dodgers. All I can say about that is, “Poor Joe Torre!”

  471. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 31st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    DiMaggio brothers played on the same team. Molina brothers played on the same team.

  472. saucY July 31st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    holy crap, i can’t keep up with these comments. we’ll be over 1000 by game time…

  473. bphill July 31st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    heres peter gammons…

  474. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Yeah, G. Love, it was scary how I could absolutely picture Gammons saying every thing in that statement. (except the bong part) Do you prepare Gammons’ transcripts?

  475. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    raymagnetic â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Have two brothers ever played together on the same team before? I ask because of the Laroche brothers if anyone is wondering.

    Yes.

    1) Molinas on LAA for a time
    2) Gonzalezes on SD.

  476. He Hate Me July 31st, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Yankee fans rejoice, we are the luckiest fans, on the face of the Earth

    Manny is gone, and they get a Canadian back

  477. mko July 31st, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    By the way, Ken Rosenthal broke the story at 3:37 while ESPN had it at 4:43. Also USA Today had it very early on.

    That’s incorrect. The first mention of this anywhere was this:

    ray (sox fan) July 31st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    NESN reporting that some kind of trade has gone down with Manny.

    NESN or the Boston Globe had it first.
    But ESPN at 4:43 could be right.

  478. 56Bomber July 31st, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Is Theo producing a broadway play?

  479. CB July 31st, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    “Have two brothers ever played together on the same team before? I ask because of the Laroche brothers if anyone is wondering.”

    Jason and Jeremy Giambi played together in Oakland for a recent duo.

  480. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Peter Gammons on ESPN….he is pisssssed.

  481. ohgodno July 31st, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Mike Mussina is the happiest Yankee right now.

  482. saucY July 31st, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    didn’t we have Pazcual and Melido at the same time?

  483. RSM July 31st, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Good deadline.

    Yankees are stronger, without giving much up.
    .
    Red Sox are weaker
    .
    Manny is out of the AL
    .
    .
    But, now I’m even more frustrated about Wang’s injury. Just imagine how good this team would be right now if Wang was in the rotation. Cash made some great moves, but we’re still a starter away from the promised land.

  484. Mrs. Derek Jeter July 31st, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Yes, Manny is gone!! WHAT! WHAT!

  485. * * THEE BOSTON BUGLE * * July 31st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Owner John Henry to Theo Epstein: ” I don’t care what it takes, I want Ramirez out of my sight”.

  486. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    “The happiest man in American is Terry Francona…he’s lost 15lbs”…-Peter Gammons

  487. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    In other news, reports are surfacing that Manny is now being implicated in the Mitchell report.

  488. Reggie44 July 31st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    I hate the Red Sox as much as anyone, but having Bay on the hook for only 1 more year at $7.5MM does gives them terrific leverage which they did not have with Manny. I’m sure they might well offer bay a new deal say at 4/42MM this offseason tearing up the old deal well one year before he hits the open market in return for security. That would take him up to a productive age of 33/34 and still frees up $9MM or so next year vs. Manny that they can spend on another player or pitcher. It also improves their defense over Manny. Defensible move, it would seem.

    But not having to face Manny anymore is such a huge psychological relief. Did you watch him hit against K-ROd in the 9th the other night? He simply flicked an impossible pitch and crushed it out deep to CF. His gift for hitting and his patience are pure intimidation in any big spot for anyone even the Sandman. I thought there was some slippage last year but he seems to be on everything again when he is putting forth the effort. Bay has never seen or felt this type of pressure before (at least Nady had played here in NY before), and it could well go badly for him if he starts slow.

    Best of all, the Sox made no upgrade at catcher, in the pen or a quality reserve OF/PH to replace Moss. Hansen is no great loss, they have written him off to contribute this year. And Ortiz doesnt’ look 100% at the plate, he missed a lot of pitches in the last 2 series. It could be rust, or he may still be impaired. A lot of uncertainty for a team in the thick of the race.

  489. migames July 31st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    pascual and melido were here at the same time…how i miss pascual

  490. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 31st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Thanks for the props guys. That was a fun post to write.

  491. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    PS The Rays didn’t do anything and have an even more brutal schedule in August and September than we do. AL East title is back in the Bronx

  492. saucY July 31st, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    “In other news, reports are surfacing that Manny is now being implicated in the Mitchell report.”

    post of the day :lol:

  493. gayle July 31st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Pudge audio was very interesting of course we got I always wanted to play in New York and be a Yankee line.

    Also after reading Mitch Albom’s piece today (which was very very positive by the way) he gave the impression that his English was not that good and thus his personality doesnt come through all that well. After hearing that audio I would disagree, I thought it came through great and his English was fine.

    Guess Joe hasnt told him he wont be catching Moose anytime soon as he keeps bringing him up. Also he has 10 family memebrs coming to the game tonight said showed how important it was not only for him but his family his mom flying in from PR.

  494. Laura - Goodbye Manny! Hello PostSeason!! July 31st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Girardi being grilled about headhunting. Says he believe his pitchers.

  495. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Peter Gammons on ESPN….he is pisssssed.

    I counting how many blinks per second he is doing.

  496. YankeeFan July 31st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Peter Gammons is going to rip Manny Ramirez for this. Would that Red Sox have gotten two type A draft picks or does the club option nullify that?

  497. Groundhoggator July 31st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    CHANGING SUBJECTS…

    KONTOS PITCHED A GEM TODAY IN TRENTON’S WIN….

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....x_treaax_1

  498. trisha - In quasi-mourning. :( July 31st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Gammons on ESPN right now. (Television)

    He looks ill.

    :D

    “Think about how badly BOS wanted to be rid of Manny. They were willing to possibly sacrifice a postseason birth to get rid of him. Talk about wearing out your welcome!!”

    We are also forgetting that the Sux had to pick up millions of Manny’s salary! How bad did they want him gone!!!

  499. kd July 31st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    i seriously doubt that jason bay is going to be happy after a 0-4 game when all of those boston reporters ask him if he feels pressure to live up to manny’s legacy. he’s never played in a big market and never had to deal with a pennant race. plus all new al pitchers, he’s going to have a hard time adjusting.

    this is a great day for the yankees, it really gives us a lot less to think about, just those pesky rays and kevin millar.

    wonder if theo tried to trade for him?

  500. JC down under July 31st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Is Bay better than Manny? IMO.. no
    Do the Sox have any new additions to the pen…. no, therefore they still stink there (I imagine Hansen going is a bonus for them)

    It’s a great week to be a yankee fan. I must admitt that I have almost forgotten that there is a game tonight after all this build up. A good couple of results now to set the tone for the rest of the season wont be easy, but really would be great for us

  501. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Peter Gammons obviously doesn’t love Bay…he’s pissed that the BoSox even had to PAY Ramirez’s remaining $7million. I love it.

  502. t July 31st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    With the exception of Melky this lineup is absolutely ridiculous. There’s only one weak link in it, if only melky could come around.

  503. The Fallen Phoenix July 31st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Don’t get me wrong: if I have my choice, I pick Manny over Bay this season, every time. Let alone having to give up Manny+ for Bay this season.

    But looking forward to the new two years, this isn’t a terrible trade for the Red Sox. They get their Manny replacement at a bargain-rate, without sacrificing their title aspirations *too much* this season. Yes, they are sacrificing them some, that’s the point; aside from preferring Manny over Bay *this season*, the Red Sox faced the opportunity cost of adding a bullpen arm which they sorely needed.

    Hey, maybe Masterson is their Joba. Even discounting the hyperbole, I doubt Masterson becomes even their 2nd or 3rd best option in their pen this season. And even if he does, he’d probably be the last man in the Yankees pen, as it’s currently configurred. Last year, the Yankees were deemed losers at the deadline because they didn’t get their bullpen arm (the Red Sox got him instead), but it wasn’t the bullpen that ultimately damned them.

    My position is similar to CB’s: Theo did really well considering the situation he was in. He could have done a lot worse with a gun to his head, but somehow he managed to pull a cloud with more than a few silver linings. That he (potentially) blocked the Rays from Bay is a bonus, of course.

    But…yeah. I wouldn’t call the Red Sox winners at this deadline, not by a longshot, and definitely not judging by results this year.

  504. Redding July 31st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Is Gammons doing his blinking, stuttering, lip biting that he did yesterday when arguing with Phillips?

  505. Laura - Goodbye Manny! Hello PostSeason!! July 31st, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    I hope Joe Torre makes Manny cut his hair and wear a uniform that actually fits.

  506. Nick in SF but now in Ocean City, MD July 31st, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    I think the Alou brothers were three on the same team at once?

    And weren’t Joe and Dom D. on the same team for a spell?

  507. Doreen July 31st, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    It’s really important to remember, amid the hype, that the Red Sox were not trading FOR Jason Bay. It’s really nice that they got a quality player (for them, that is), but they were actually trying to rid themselves of a player. I suppose addition by subtraction trade. But the production will be very different. The entire trade is of a different nature than most deadline trades. But they did keep Jason Bay out of Tampa, which could be better for Boston and the Yankees. I think Bay would have had more impact for the Rays than he will on the Sox.

  508. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Michael Kay calls what Manny did a “disgrace to baseball”…

  509. Tonight's quickie question July 31st, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Where is the protection for Big Papi ? Pitchers won’t fear Jason Bay like they did Manny.

  510. Global Warming July 31st, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    “July 31st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    I hate the Red Sox as much as anyone, but having Bay on the hook for only 1 more year at $7.5MM”

    Get out of here with that. The Red Sox paid 8 MILLION to get Manny out of town. It’s basically 15 Million for Bay next year. What a deal for the Red Sox!!!

  511. PittsburghYankeeFan July 31st, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Melky is now protected by Damon, so he should get better pitches to hit.

  512. Andrew July 31st, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Masterson didn’t like anything like Joba when he got smacked around on Saturday in Boston, hoss.

  513. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Now…can someone explain to me, what is up with the Alberto Gonzalez deal? I didnt think he was anything special, but the guy we got wasnt that good, based on his stats. Is there another SS in the Yankees system I don’t know about? Pena?

  514. TKinDC July 31st, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Was Hansen one of the greatest setup men ever or was that DelCarman?

  515. Timothy Clougher July 31st, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    I can’t believe it, they also gave up Hanson and Moss and 7mill.

    I heard champagne corks coming from the Yankee bull pen

  516. PittsburghYankeeFan July 31st, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Masterson is IPK, maybe. Where is Bucholtz?

  517. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    “Was Hansen one of the greatest setup men ever or was that DelCarman?”

    Delcarmen. Who sucks.

    I CANT WAIT TO FACE THE RED SOX!!!!

  518. Buzz July 31st, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    the redsox clearly are the losers in this year trade deadline

  519. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    “I can’t believe it, they also gave up Hanson and Moss and 7mill.

    I heard champagne corks coming from the Yankee bull pen”

    Girardi’s got a clubbie at Hallmarks picking out a Thank You card for Theo.

  520. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Alright…I might need to bring everyone back down to earth here. This doesn’t mean jack unless the Yanks can fill their Rasner/Ponson holes, because I’d be willing to bet that Jason Bay can tattoo them.

  521. MJR (Shut Up Steve Phillips) July 31st, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Hansen, Moss and Bay and Manny’s gone to the NL.

    I’m happy today.

  522. Bryan (Yankees fan) July 31st, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Manny and the greatest setup man in the AL for Jason Bay PLUS $7 million and Brandon Moss

    Theo got FLEECED

  523. kd July 31st, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    now big papi will get the bonds treatment. jd drew and bay cannot do half of what manny could.

  524. Dave In Sun City July 31st, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Joe and Dom were not on the same team !

    There are two brothers playing 1st and 2nd for Padres right now ! Gonzales I think!

    Three Alou’s the Giants, two of them were concurrrently with the Yankees!

  525. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Bucholtz has not looked good so far this year.

  526. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    I believe Brian and Marcus Giles have played together before. Jeremy and Jason Giambi too.

  527. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    many, many brothers have played together. as mentioned, giambis, molinas, melido and pascual, dimaggios, etc. Off the top of my head: Billy and Cal Ripken, Tony and Chris Gwynn, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Hank and Tommy Aaron, the three Alous, George and Ken Brett, Pedro and Ramon Martinez, Sandy and Robbie Alomar

  528. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    yanks need to beat the angels tonight and put a cherry on top of this great day

  529. frankiedue July 31st, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    manny was gone at the end of the year anyway, so it was basically moss and hansen for jason bay. not bad.

  530. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    “Alright…I might need to bring everyone back down to earth here. This doesn’t mean jack unless the Yanks can fill their Rasner/Ponson holes, because I’d be willing to bet that Jason Bay can tattoo them.”

    Party pooper. And we will probably feel that during this Angels Series. But you have to think you can find a winner in IPK, Hughes, Pavano. Plus don’t forget all the talk about signing Washburn off waivers.

  531. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    G. Love: You write some excellent posts when you’re not trashing Cashman :-P

    Nongeyejon: A disgrace to himself more than anything else.

    The Yankees got better at the deadline, and the Sox and Rays…first glance, not so much (though things change). If this isn’t fuel or the fire for the Yankees, I’m not sure I want to know what is.

  532. Daryll in VT July 31st, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    I’m so thankful that this soap opera in Boston, thank god it’s not new york anymore, can finally be put to rest! Anything to get Manny to shut up and quit the “whoa is me” act! BOSTON HATES ME!!!!!

  533. Brian July 31st, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Jacob
    July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
    Jason Bay from the Dodgers for Manny.

    Obviously Jacob is not a baseball fan and just a bandwagoner!

  534. John H. July 31st, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    PJH, do you have links?

  535. CB July 31st, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    “But looking forward to the new two years, this isn’t a terrible trade for the Red Sox. ”

    Phoenix,

    Overall I agree with your take. But I am struck by how much worse this deal is for Boston than nearly every other permutation of this trade that came out prior.

    A huge factor here is that they only got Bay back – no reliever. That in itself is a huge set back.

    This is truly what they traded for Bay: Manny, Moss, Hansen, $7M, and the opportunity cost to acquire Mahay.

    They could have traded Moss for Mahay – that’s a good trade for them – one that fill a real need, especially since Mahay isn’t awful against righty batters.

    I agree that Theo could have done worse – but yesterday it looked like he was going to do much, much better.

    This trade is tough for Boston first and foremost because they lost Manny but also because they gave up much more talent and money and got back less than it looked like they would need to at this time yesterday.

    Much different deal than the original one that came out.

    The Marlins killed the Sox in this deal – killed them. The Marlins got greedy when they saw how little leverage the Sox had and they overplayed their hand. In the process however they put the sox in a much worse position because they cost the Sox a precious commodity – time.

  536. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    “manny was gone at the end of the year anyway, so it was basically moss and hansen for jason bay. not bad.”

    This is more significant… him insulting the Sox also means the Sox won’t have him in the future either. Definite downgrade. They are paying the rest of Manny’s salary too. Oh, and he insulted the Sox organization.

  537. YankeeVIP July 31st, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    redsox nation just became redsox neighborhood!!!!

    boston must have been flat out desperate to dump manny to give up that much. Now manny wasnt putting up big numbers, but pitchers had to respect him.

    im sure Bay can put decent numbers up for boston and knowing our luck, may actually be good, but honestly after you watch the deals Cash just made, redsox fans must be jumping into the boston harbor…

    Im sure you hearing alot in boston about how manny was on the decline, was useless, not that good .. blah blah blah; HAHAHAH

  538. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Russell W…you’re right, I am a party-pooper. I just remembered, though, that we have to play the Angels. I hate when we play the Angels.

  539. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    raymagnetic â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Have two brothers ever played together on the same team before? I ask because of the Laroche brothers if anyone is wondering

    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/family/fam1a.shtml

  540. ??? July 31st, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Um…this is a Yankees Blog right? Then why are you all so concerned about the Red Sox…oh, because they are the better team…I forgot. Have fun in 3rd place losers!

  541. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    “manny was gone at the end of the year anyway, so it was basically moss and hansen for jason bay. not bad.”

    Wrong. It’s also two+ months of Manny (you know it would include October) plus the two draft picks Manny walking would get them. The Sox are superb on draft day. They easily could have used those two picks to net greater value than Jason Bay.

  542. LathamJoe July 31st, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    I think the Alou brothers were three on the same team at once?

    Yes, Matty, Felipe, and Jesus played for the SF giants in 1963. Also you might remember, among others, Hank and Tommy Aaron for the Milwaukee Braves, Norm and Larry Sherry for the Dodgers, Jim and Gaylod Perry for the Indians, and , of course Benji and Jose’ Molina for the Angels.

  543. AD July 31st, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Hi guys,

    Do any of you have MLB TV Premium via MLB.com? Just had a couple quick questions.

    -Does it work well?
    -Do you get to watch what TV feed you want to see? For example, watching the YES broadcast for every Yankee game.

    Appreciate the help.

  544. whuuuu July 31st, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    This trade won’t help out the Dodgers nearly as much if they give Manny the wrong player’s spot. That player would be Matt Kemp. If he gets stuck on the bench because of this, the Dodgers are making a huge mistake.

  545. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    ??? – Uh oh…Sad Sox fan :( booo hooooo

  546. Daryll in VT July 31st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    A Red Sox fan and bandwagon in the same sentence??? I’ve never heard of that before, ::nod nod:: ::wink,wink::

  547. Brian July 31st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    YankeeVIP – Manny was on the decline. His stats prove it..but now, with “Peace of Mind” he may actually start to play again.

  548. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    My take on a few matters.

    the manny trade; man they wanted to get rid of him bad.. manny is a huge jerk, boston got fleeced, I bet they raised there offer because tampa might have gotten bay..

    Hansen.. I remember when Boston drafted him all the EXPERTS ON THIS SITE BLASTED CASHMAN AND OTHERS BEYOND BELIEF. Where is the Hansen fan club now??????He may become a good player but again the gushing over Hanson and derision for cash and oppenheimer was unbearable..

    Tonight My concern is Andy and Pudge.. Andy does not like to think on the mound, what the heck does Pudge know about Andy, Molina better be telling pudge alot of information…

  549. JRVJ July 31st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    Got to agree with CB.

    The Marlins put the BoSox behind the 8th ball.

    As to the trade itself, Boston is clearly weaker this year because of it, both because Manny 08 is still slightly better than Bay 08, and because of losing Moss and Hansen (in Moss’s case, not being to trade him straight up hurts the Sox).

    The $7MM are a cost of doing business for Boston, so I really look at the money side more as a case of Boston taking on Bay’s salary.

    From 2009, this trade is not terrible for Boston, but it’s not that good either (and while Boston does have a great farm system, farm systems are finite things, and when you keep on taking out talent from them, you eventually pay the price).

  550. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    ??? July 31st, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Um…this is a Yankees Blog right? Then why are you all so concerned about the Red Sox…oh, because they are the better team…I forgot. Have fun in 3rd place losers!

    Is that you Gammons?

  551. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 31st, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Rebecca,

    Don’t worry. I’m off Cashman for the rest of the season. He patched holes, dealt a few kids and improved the team. I’d still like another starter, but I’m not going to freak out.

    I’ve turned my focus to Peter Gammons now, lol.

  552. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    “Um…this is a Yankees Blog right? Then why are you all so concerned about the Red Sox”

    Umm …

    Could it be because what the Red Sox do impacts how the Yankees finish? The Sox -were- a better team. This move makes them a worse team. Hence our ‘concern.’

  553. Al from BK July 31st, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Playing the Angels kind of takes the wind out of my sails about Manny being gone but I’m still elated.

  554. Ralow July 31st, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    “raymagnetic â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Have two brothers ever played together on the same team before? I ask because of the Laroche brothers if anyone is wondering.”

    In addition to the Molinas, you have Cal and Billy Ripken, Chris and Tony Gwynn, Sandy and Roberto Alomar, Phil and Joe Neikro, David Ortiz and that dorky Red Sux mascot, etc. Its not really that rare actually.

  555. Nick in SF but now in Ocean City, MD July 31st, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Hey TKinDC, I saw your question for me last evening as I was on the way out, but I didn’t have time to answer. I haven’t had the pleasure of reading many of the posts of the returned LoHuder you referred to, so for the time being I’ll refer your question to my counsel, Lawyer Dan.

    I will say that this poster may have returned as an unwitting harninger of doom for Krazy Kyle. This can’t bode well for Ponson’s future in pinstripes.

  556. Redding July 31st, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Why is Kay interviewing Billy Wagner of app people, in the aftermath of this huge trade deadline news?

    I understand its his weekly spot but still…

  557. Nick in SF but now in Ocean City, MD July 31st, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Make that “harbinger” — too much sand on the keyboard.

  558. Buzz July 31st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Haha wagner said he wants MO

  559. YankeeVIP July 31st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    by the way, Pitt looks like they made a killing in this deal.

    did they really just get 4 good young players for jason bay?? wow.

    take those 4 players + the 4 we gave them.. thats nice deal for them

  560. Brian July 31st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Confucious – not so sure this makes them a worse team. The stats of Manny and Bay are pretty similiar. Do I think they will win the East? No, but I think that they did not down grade as much as people think…plus, Bay can play better defense too!

  561. mko July 31st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Do any of you have MLB TV Premium via MLB.com? Just had a couple quick questions.

    -Does it work well?
    -Do you get to watch what TV feed you want to see? For example, watching the YES broadcast for every Yankee game.

    It works very well as long as you use Windows Media Player to watch the games and not Silverlight.
    The Mosaic software is ok if you need it, most bugs are gone by now.

    You can’t choose what feed you want to see – it will almost all the time be the feed of the home team. Be careful if you live in the NY area though – you might be blacked out for Yankees, Mets games and whatnot…

  562. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    OK no way do I have the attention span to read all these comments. But as long as Matt Kemp remains a Dodger and not a Sock, as I gather he will…..REJOICE!!!!!!!

    From what little I’ve skimmed, Jason Bay slurpers need to listen to what SJ44 is telling you. He’s decent, not great. He’s NOT an All Star caliber player. Dont let MLB’s affirmative action policy mandating a representative from each team fool you. He’s also one of the worst if not the worst defensive outfielder in baseball. And I don’t even need to waste keystrokes discussing his unarguable inability to even halfway measure up to Manny offensively.

    LOVE THIS TRADE, W00T!!! The best part is that Tampa would have been much better with him than Boston is with him and without Manny. So it really works out perfectly for us, imo.

  563. Buzz July 31st, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    “Why is Kay interviewing Billy Wagner of app people, in the aftermath of this huge trade deadline news?

    I understand its his weekly spot but still…”

    Its not like any Ny Teams made a block buster deal if a Ny team made a trade im sure he push it to tomorrow

  564. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    “Have two brothers ever played together on the same team before? I ask because of the Laroche brothers if anyone is wondering.”

    Raymagnetic,
    Pedro played with his brother in L.A. i believe.

  565. Brian July 31st, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Brothers on the same team:

    Ken & George Brett 1980 & 1981…

    Did anyone say that?

  566. raymagnetic â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    “DiMaggio brothers played on the same team. Molina brothers played on the same team.”

    Thanks. I didn’t know about the Dimaggio brothers and I had forgotten about the Molinas.

  567. William Buckner July 31st, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Trading Manny for Bay would be like if we traded AROD for Nady. That said, Bay is better then the two comp picks the sox would have gotten when he bolted in the off season.

    Sox are weaker – no question. pen is still weak and the offense, which hasn’t been great, has gotten worse.

    Good day for yankee fans, but don’t gloat – we are always an arod hammy pull away from fading.

  568. Brian July 31st, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Pedro and Ramon pitched for Boston together too.

  569. AD July 31st, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Thanks mko. I’m going to be away from the NYC area the month of August, and I need my Yankees fix. Too bad they make you watch only the home team feed. But at least its better then nothing.

  570. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    ““raymagnetic â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Have two brothers ever played together on the same team before? I ask because of the Laroche brothers if anyone is wondering.””

    Yeah, Adam and Andy won’t even be the only pair of brothers in the NL playing across the diamond from each other. Adrian and Edgar Gonzalez of the Padres already have that covered.

  571. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    “The stats of Manny and Bay are pretty similiar.”

    Except the entries on RISP. But that’s beside the point. Stats don’t make the league go ’round. Manny is ‘slightly’ better than Bay the same way that Rivera is ‘slightly’ better than Nathan and Soria and Papelbon.

  572. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) July 31st, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Bay vs. Manny’s current stats isn’t a fair comparison to make.

    Bay is changing leagues, changing ball parks and being thrust into a pressure packed pennant race environment.

    What Bay was doing in the NL in Pitts may not translate to the AL in Boston.

    He could struggle like Drew did last season before he learned the league and got comfortable in Boston.

    A lot of variables.

    It’s the same for the Yanks with Nady. There is no way he was going to continue what he was doing in Pitt. here right off the bat. There’s usually some kind of adjustment period for these guys.

    In Boston’s case, losing Manny’s offense, especially against the Yankees is dangerous since they still have to play us a lot the rest of the season.

  573. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Um…this is a Yankees Blog right? Then why are you all so concerned about the Red Sox…oh, because they are the better team…I forgot. Have fun in 3rd place losers!

    Actually, the Sox and the Yankees both have 48 losses.

    Boston has one more win because they’ve played more games.

    So for all intents and purposes, the Yankees are in second place.

    G. Love: I’ll hold you to it!

  574. Nick in SF but now in Ocean City, MD July 31st, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Oh, duh, Jason and Jeremy Giambi and, perhaps the all-time best, Jose and Ozzie Canseco. TWIN brothers.

  575. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    “Russell W…you’re right, I am a party-pooper. I just remembered, though, that we have to play the Angels. I hate when we play the Angels.”

    I hate it too =( But I never though I’d see the day when Manny left. He has like a .500 average against us. This is a great day, whether the Yanks win or lose. And Pudge makes his debut… woohoo!

  576. Numbers guy July 31st, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    The all powerful Schilling will not allow Jason Bay to wear No. 38.

    Manny can’t get No. 24 in L.A.. It’s retired for former Dodger manager Walter Alston.

  577. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    oh wait, my bad, scratch that. Edgar Gonzalez plays 2b. So Adam and Andy will be the second pair of brothers in the same IF right now.

  578. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Can i also include Arod and R(ent)rod for brothers on the same team? Oh and Eric and Shelley Duncan.

  579. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    “Um…this is a Yankees Blog right? Then why are you all so concerned about the Red Sox…oh, because they are the better team…I forgot.”

    This is the greatest day in the world for the Yankees. How can you not be happy!?!?!? :)

  580. John H. July 31st, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Hes just mad Manny was traded and there is a hole now in the Sox lineup. I’m sorry :)

  581. Brian July 31st, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Buckner – how did the offense get weaker when their stats are identical?

    Bay – .282 22hr 64rbi Slg .519 OPB .375

    Manny – .299 20hr 68rbi Slg .529 OBP .398

    Not much of an advatage to Manny there…

  582. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    “Then why are you all so concerned about the Red Sox…oh, because they are the better team…I forgot”

    hahahahaha

    things starting to get a little tense in Beantown huh?

    Enjoy Jason Bay’s wonderful defense and his uber glory with RISP!

  583. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Brian, you been drinking ESPN’s Kool-Aid?

  584. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 31st, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Nick –

    Just hopping back on – - – our long national nightmare is not over :(

  585. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    “Buckner – how did the offense get weaker when their stats are identical?

    Bay – .282 22hr 64rbi Slg .519 OPB .375

    Manny – .299 20hr 68rbi Slg .529 OBP .398″

    “Watch the games, statheads, watch the games…”

  586. Alvin July 31st, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Damon DH
    Jeter SS
    Abreu RF
    A. Rodriguez 3B
    Giambi 1B
    Cano 2B
    Nady LF
    P. Rodriguez C
    Cabrera CF

    That is a beautiful lineup, made even more beautiful by the fact that we barely gave anything up for it.

  587. Brian July 31st, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    No, that was Yahoo’s Kool-Aid…but my point was that it is not total disaster trade for Boston. They lose a guy that was a nig distraction and they get a similiar “this year, not career” player in return, for 7.5 mil next year and it frees up some cash for them.

  588. Timothy Clougher July 31st, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    I think Andy will do well tonight…

    Did you hear Kyle is the Tiger’s closer….interesting

  589. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    “Buckner – how did the offense get weaker when their stats are identical?”

    Ok, if there’s no pointing out to you folks what the mindset is here, we’ll leave it to the results.

    Come August and September and (possibly) October, let’s look at a) the Yanks’ approach to Ortiz and b) Bay’s performance in big spots compared to Manny’s (which was still phenomenal this season, for all this talk of his ‘decline’). I’m guessing you guys are going to be severely disappointed in the change to this lineup.

  590. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    The Yanks need to go out and drop the hammer on the Angels tonight. Hopefully Pudge gives them a spark. This is a game we need to win, because I don’t feel comfortable with Rasner/Ponson pitching 2 out of these 4. Oh yeah…and Moose coming off a shellacking.

  591. Tint July 31st, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    BREAKING NEWS!!!!!

    Jeff Karstens is starting for the Pirates tomorrow night :D

  592. BBFan July 31st, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    As I said yesterday, today is the offical start of Manny Curse (similar to the curse of the Bambino) and Sox will not win WS for another 80+ years :) :) :)

  593. Fleas (already sorry) July 31st, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    I can’t wait for tonights game!

    All I know is that Manny claimed that “he had no peace in Boston cause of Boston VIPs” It’s a simple case of Manny being self-centered and saying, “I’m Manny I don’t have to show up to spring training with everyone else, I don’t have to hustle to first base or run ‘em out”,”I am a slob with nappy hair and can careless about the teams image”, “I am all about me me me”

    I don’t care how good of a hitter he is, he is exactly what type of player we need to stay away from next year! there are no buts about this…

  594. YankeeVIP July 31st, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Brian.. i agree manny was on the decline and didnt get his typical production..

    but he still was someone pitchers worried about, and that reputation made the lineup alot stronger (think how many times people pitched to ortiz cause manny was behind him or how many times manny was intentionally walked)

    lets hope bay turns out to be this years version of gagne for the sox. i know nothing about him.

  595. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    Melky in the 9 spot, where he belongs.

  596. voiii July 31st, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    The Yankees play Boston a minimum of 19 times a season…Look at Manny’s numbers vs the Yanks…This is a great trade….for the Yankees. First time Bay comes up and whiffs with RISP against the Yankees, he will be run out of Beantown… How many times has Manny delivered in the clutch in a big game? How many big games has Bay ever seen?…

  597. Fleas (already sorry) July 31st, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Just for tonight, I am going to be Positive even if we are losing 25 to 1

    but I have a good feeling about tonights game, you can sweep the redsox, but you are not even going to win the first game with us!!!

    Let’s go Andy.. this is your night.

  598. Timothy Clougher July 31st, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Hey didn’t we just pick up a game, when Manny was traded..:)

  599. Laura - Goodbye Manny! Hello PostSeason!! July 31st, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    “Buckner – how did the offense get weaker when their stats are identical?”

    You are comparing a “fully committed” Bay to a “I want the heck out of here” Ramirez. Watch what Manny does to the NL pitchers these next 2 months and then you will see what BOS truly gave up.

  600. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 31st, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    “Moose coming off a shellacking.”

    I wonder whether the 8 inning start before last took something out of Moose going into the start against the O’s.

    I think Moose will give them a very solid 6 – it will be up to the bats to make it stand up.

  601. Brian July 31st, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Nah, I could care less if the Sox win the world series or anything in October this year…but you have a point, right now it is a wash, but October is where it will be judged.

    Oh, and who is to say that either team will make it to October?

  602. vinny-b (Cashmoney, Girardi, Nardi, Pettitte, Mo = my NYY 5) July 31st, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    #1 why didn’t the Mets get involved, for manny? It seem like a match, in heaven.

    #2 the ESPN X-Games ads, are very very annoying.

  603. Global Warming July 31st, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ

  604. William Buckner July 31st, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    “Buckner – how did the offense get weaker when their stats are identical?”

    I see that. Except the 25 points in BA, OBP, and about 1000 meaningful games.

    If you believe Bay and Manny are equals, ok. I believe Manny is one the most dangerous RH hitter ever, and an all time yankee killer.

  605. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    “Dont let MLB’s affirmative action policy mandating a representative from each team fool you.”

    No, people are right in arguing that Bay could be an all-star on better, deeper teams. But he’s not nor will he ever be on the same planet as Manny. Manny is a special performer, the type that you aren’t getting from just any touted outfielder, even one that pans out well.

  606. Christine July 31st, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Thank you so much for the audio, Pete!

    I really enjoy hearing players that actually are glad to play for the Yankees and respect what it is all about.

    That being said, I am excited to see what Pudge can do for us.

  607. Brian July 31st, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    You are comparing a “fully committed” Bay to a “I want the heck out of here” Ramirez. Watch what Manny does to the NL pitchers these next 2 months and then you will see what BOS truly gave up.

    Um…Boston game up 2 months of headaches…they already know what they gave up.

  608. dont retire 21 July 31st, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    i love this trade so much i think im gonna go out and buy my manny dodgers jersey and start rocking that to yankee stadium in support of theos ridiculous trade and the demise of the red sox

  609. Arun July 31st, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    This is one of the worst trades in baseball history. Boston got absolutely robbed. Jason Bay strikes out close to ONE HUNDRED FIFTY TIMES PER YEAR. That’s less than once every 4 at bats (hello Wilson Betemit).

    Are you kidding me!!! The best right handed hitter in the game for this guy, and they give up 7 million, and Dave Hansen, and Brandon Moss.

    I repeat, this is one of the worst trades in the history of major league baseball.

  610. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    RISP:

    Manny- .309 AVG/.968 OPS
    Bay- .216 AVG/.651 OPS

    A bigger drop off than most realize for this trade despite their overall numbers being similar. That’s why you have to actually look at ALL the stats before you make assumptions.

  611. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    July 31st, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Just for tonight, I am going to be Positive even if we are losing 25 to 1

    but I have a good feeling about tonights game, you can sweep the redsox, but you are not even going to win the first game with us!!!

    Let’s go Andy.. this is your night.

    Fleas being positive?

    Okay, now I know “I’m seeing the apocalypse.

  612. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    I cant believe what iv heard on this blog in the last few days.
    1. I dont like the trade for Marte and Nady.(Even though only gave up one stud to be and we no longer a sure thing.)
    2. I cant believe that Farnsworth-less was traded for Pudge.(We had a guy behind the plate that was batting .220. Replaced him with a .290 and good defense + there will be less people drinking in the 8th inning now that Krazy is gond.)
    3. I dont think that Manny is that much better than Bay.(I think the whole Yankees pitching staff + the whole a.l. pitching staff/teams will have to dissagree with you guys on this one.)

    These last few days have to rank up their just below our World Series Championships. In the best days ever.

  613. Victor Von Doom July 31st, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    “Manny is ’slightly’ better than Bay the same way that Rivera is ’slightly’ better than Nathan and Soria and Papelbon.”

    Please tell me you are being sarcastic….

  614. Brian July 31st, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    “I see that. Except the 25 points in BA, OBP, and about 1000 meaningful games.”

    Buckner – Last time I checked…um, .299 – .282 was .017 – this is not .025…good to see that simple math is your strong point though.

  615. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    “Oh, and who is to say that either team will make it to October?”

    If I had to predict, I’d still say both make it. Though their lineup isn’t nearly as scary now, the Sox are still a good team.

    But it’ll be the Sox facing the Angels and the Yanks facing the ChiSox/Twins/Tigers, which suits me fine despite the inclusion of Griffey into that equation.

  616. vinny-b (Cashmoney, Girardi, Nardi, Pettitte, Mo = my NYY 5) July 31st, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    thankful to have NYY complete a trade, without having to pay the yankee tax.

    nice to see them get a good return, in the boston trade.

    go pirates!

  617. Nick in SF but now in Ocean City, MD July 31st, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Multiple ESPN commentators calling the Red Sox the biggest loser of the trade deadline? Have I lost my mind? Did that just happen?

  618. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Joe Torre must be thrilled. After watching Manny shred the Yankees the last 10+ years, he gets to be happy when that guy sinks other people’s ship.

  619. YankeeVIP July 31st, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    so as happy as i am about manny being traded, this year boston should not really be our concern. We have both boston and tampa to deal with and when we lose 2-3 to baltimore at home, we need to focus on our own team.

    if we get our team on track and handle our business.. who cares whose playing lf for boston.

    That being said.. HAHAHHHh.. i cant stand boston

  620. Laura - Goodbye Manny! Hello PostSeason!! July 31st, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    “Oh, and who is to say that either team will make it to October?”

    I hate it when reality rears it’s ugly head. Yes, both the Yankees and BOS could find themselves as the odd teams out….but I doubt it. Unless TB continues their unbelievable streak of luck (I’m counting on their young pitchers to fold down the stretch), one of us will win the East and the other will win the Wild Card.

  621. Brian July 31st, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Confucious – you may be right. Baseball in October needs the Yanks/Sox potential matchup…but I believe this is the year of the Halos…

  622. Timothy Clougher July 31st, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    LA radio:

    “Manny is a stop what your doing player”.

    I love it, the nation now says Manny sucks. Sorry Manny does not suck…

    Bay is ok, sorry he is not even close to Manny.

    I agree, that Theo did the best he could given his situation.

  623. ANSKY July 31st, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    PJH -

    Don’t forget Cal Jr & Billy Ripken played together on the Orioles when their dad Cal Sr was manager.

    So anyways ……

    Let me get this straight … the Sox basically sent Manny to the Dodgers, paid his pro-rated salary to the Dodgers, plus they coughed up some prospects and got Jason Bay in return.

    Wow they really wanted him outta town didn’t they? Bay isn’t a bad player but it’s a step backwards in terms of their offense. Clubhouse-wise it’s probably a step forward from the drama of the last couple weeks.

    Correct me if I heard this wrong but the team option is no longer on the Dodgers, so he walks this winter and they get two draft picks, all for a giving a couple prospects to the Pirates? Basically, they got Manny for free for this year’s stretch run (except for sending prospects to the Pirates) they have no obligation to him in the future, and got a couple prospects & draft picks in return? Sounds like the Dodgers made out like bandits on this one.

  624. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 31st, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    Today’s trade was bad – but this (imho) is the worst ever:

    November 13, 2003 – The San Francisco Giants trade pitchers Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, and #### Bonser to Twins for A.J. Pierzynski

    Seeing Pierzynski as their last major piece needed for the championship, the Giants traded three pitching prospects for the catcher. However, the Twins didn’t tell the Giants about Pierzynski’s irritating personality. Pierzynski did well for the Giants, but clashes with teammates prompted the Giants to not bring him back. Meanwhile, Nathan is one of the best closers in baseball, Liriano looks like the second coming of Johan Santana and Bonser is coming along nicely, making Giants fans wonder what could have been.

    Source – Fox Sports.com

  625. vinny-b (Cashmoney, Girardi, Nardi, Pettitte, Mo = my NYY 5) July 31st, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    NongEyeJon: prolly. Hoping Karstens will do well. I have to like/respect pittsburgh, right now.

    go pirates.

  626. Brian July 31st, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    The nation says he sucks because that is how Bostonians are…he does not suck, he just gave up in Boston.

    I guess that Henry did not want to let Manny go…I wonder how they convinced him?

  627. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Anyone know the Angels lineup yet?

  628. William Buckner July 31st, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Your right Brian, I forgot to carry the one.
    Dude I’m making a point, not doing math. if you think Bay will do what manny’s done, fine.
    Me, not so much.
    I’m sure pappi is looking forward to bay’s protection.

  629. Victor Von Doom July 31st, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    “Do any of you have MLB TV Premium via MLB.com? Just had a couple quick questions.

    -Does it work well?
    -Do you get to watch what TV feed you want to see? For example, watching the YES broadcast for every Yankee game.
    It works very well as long as you use Windows Media Player to watch the games and not Silverlight.
    The Mosaic software is ok if you need it, most bugs are gone by now.

    You can’t choose what feed you want to see – it will almost all the time be the feed of the home team. Be careful if you live in the NY area though – you might be blacked out for Yankees, Mets games and whatnot…”

    How do you use Windows Media player instead of silverlight? I can’t figure it out…

  630. Victor Von Doom July 31st, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    “Do any of you have MLB TV Premium via MLB.com? Just had a couple quick questions.

    -Does it work well?
    -Do you get to watch what TV feed you want to see? For example, watching the YES broadcast for every Yankee game.
    It works very well as long as you use Windows Media Player to watch the games and not Silverlight.
    The Mosaic software is ok if you need it, most bugs are gone by now.

    You can’t choose what feed you want to see – it will almost all the time be the feed of the home team. Be careful if you live in the NY area though – you might be blacked out for Yankees, Mets games and whatnot…”

    How do you use Windows Media player instead of silverlight? I can’t figure it out…

  631. vinny-b (Cashmoney, Girardi, Nardi, Pettitte, Mo = my NYY 5) July 31st, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    torre likes it.

  632. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    “Please tell me you are being sarcastic….”

    Well, if you’re one of the people that actually thinks that Papelbon is on Rivera’s level, that logic could let you argue that Bay is on Manny’s level. Go for broke!

  633. Laura - Goodbye Manny! Hello PostSeason!! July 31st, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    “Um…Boston game up 2 months of headaches…they already know what they gave up.”

    You know, it’s funny. Manny has been a jerk for more years than I can count and BOS fans never had a problem with it. Now all of a sudden, he’s a headache. He wasn’t a headache when he helped you win 2 championships. Fans are so fickle these days.

  634. Vin July 31st, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Kevin Kennedy on XM said it best (paraphrasing):

    “Manny hits GREAT pitching… Bay hits GOOD pitching.”

    I think as Yankee fans we all know exactly what he means by this. How many times does he crush a well-located pitch? All the time. And of course, he seemingly never misses a mistake.

    My only gripe with this deal is that it came about 4 years too late.

  635. JimDC July 31st, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Even John Henry did not have the stomach to put up with 2 more months of Manny in LF. I would love to hear an interview with Ortiz or Lugo right about now.

    WEEI, forget about Full-of-Himself Schilling and give some equal time to Ortiz and Lugo after they stop weeping.

  636. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    I wonder what Scott Boras is thinking right now.

  637. ANSKY July 31st, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Brian …

    Agreed right now the team to beat is the Angels. That’s not to say we don’t have a shot at winning a post season series over them, but adding Teixeira was definitely a good move by them.

    Unleashing Joba on them twice in the same series (3 times if its a 7-gamer) would help our cause significantly if we meet them in October. Pitching 3 ALCS games would limit him in the WS, so I’d want to pace him for the whole ball of wax if possible.

  638. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 31st, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Do Gammons’ eyes look a little red and puffy? :)

  639. dont retire 21 July 31st, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    “lets bring in peter gammons for the boston angle on all this” – sportscenter

    ha has espn just admitted gammons is the mouthpiece of the boston red sox

  640. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    i don’t get how edwar gets suspended 3 games and whoever hit a-rod on boston gets no suspension…it is a total double standard

  641. YankeeVIP July 31st, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    the one thing ill say in defense of manny.

    he was right when he said Boston will turn around attack him, just like they did with nomar and pedro. He is right really, Boston treats players in trades so poorly, remember what the did with Mo Vaugh.

    pathetic..

    Also, ESPN is a disgrace, they are so pro-boston. Everyone is saying this is a good deal for Boston… embarrassing. i guess when you agree to show 150 redsox games on tv, you need to make it sound like they still a good team .

  642. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    Who thinks Ortiz will go into a 2 month depression, Bat .220 and they miss the playoffs all together? Any takers?

  643. vinny-b (Cashmoney, Girardi, Nardi, Pettitte, Mo = my NYY 5) July 31st, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    “I wonder what Scott Boras is thinking right now.”

    $$$$$

  644. Buzz July 31st, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    3 games wow? he didnt even hit him plus Daniel Cabrera hit arod and only got 6 games which hes a starter so that doesnt matter….BS

  645. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    …Did Gammons just say what I think he just said?

  646. ward July 31st, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Predictions:
    1. Chris Britton gets sent back to SWB later this week without throwing a pitch. Bruney will take his place.
    2. The Yankees and Angels split their 4 game series.
    3. The Yanks eventually get Washburn in 2 weeks.
    4. Manny gets lost driving in LA and is late for his first game at Dodgers Stadium.

  647. Jeter2007 July 31st, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    we need tonight’s game, the other 3 don’t look great

  648. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Edwar got suspended THREE games?!?!

    That’s not fair. At all. He didn’t even hit him! (cue my yankee biased outrage).

    I mean, Daniel Cabrera got six, but he only plays once every five days!

  649. PittsburghYankeeFan July 31st, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Just go back 4 weeks to the end of June and read some of the posts on this very blog.

    What a complete turnaround. This was supposed to be a transition year. With Pudgy, they really think they have a chance.

    They have a great set up for 2009, and an enormous amount of payroll flexibility.

    So the Angels may take it this year (maybe), but the Yankees have the ability to be the one of the top 5 in the league right now.

    Think about it:

    (1) A cheap, effective BP.
    (2) A replacement for Abreu, or something to make Abreu DH next year if he wants to stay.
    (3) Catching solved at least until next spring.
    (4) A great line up 1-8, with protection for number 9.
    (5) Three excellent starters, with 2 probably coming back by September (great they didn’t get Washburn–that was the olden times).

    I am primed for the last 54 games, even though the next 4 are against the Angels. However, this team has kicked butt over the last month against potential playoff competition.

  650. Adam July 31st, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    what did he say?

  651. Timothy Clougher July 31st, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    If we can take 3 of 4 from the Halo’s that would be great.

    Because Oh my God did you hear the Redsox got Jason “strikes fear in people” Bay, I can’t believe they got him, and all they gave up was some guy named Manny. The nation say’s this guy sucked anyway.

  652. Steve July 31st, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    The ESPN trade analysts Sheehan and another guy said it was a win win win trade. They even went so far as to say that Jason Bay is an equivalent to Manny Ramirez but younger and under control for an extra year at less money.

  653. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 31st, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    “1. Chris Britton gets sent back to SWB later this week without throwing a pitch. Bruney will take his place.”

    The Yankees should retire his luggage’s number when he quits :)

  654. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    “4. Manny gets lost driving in LA and is late for his first game at Dodgers Stadium.”

    Once he takes the field he tries to find a door in left field but decides to hop the wall to take a wizz before the inning.

  655. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    Adam: The Sox would not have made the playoffs with Manny.

  656. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 31st, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    “Daniel Cabrera got six games for actualling hitting A-Rod.”

    I really didn’t think it was intentional – but Buck Martinez’s call may have hypnotized me.

  657. mko July 31st, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    How do you use Windows Media player instead of silverlight? I can’t figure it out…

    Just uninstall Silverlight (don’t forget to restart your browser)…then it will ask you what player you want to use.
    Also, if you still want to use the 1.2Mbit stream, make sure you have the NexDef plug-in running in your system tray. And when you open the 1.2Mb link it might not be the real 1.2Mb stream the first time, you’ll have to click on the 1.2Mb icon to the right of the player window.

  658. PAT M July 31st, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    The difference between the Angels and the Yankees will be found in the # 4 spot in the rotation come playoff time

  659. Doreen July 31st, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    I know how some of you like that the pitchers are going after the other teams this year, but my feeling is unless they learn to do it correctly, which is to say, NOT UP HIGH TOO CLOSE TO THE HEAD AREA, it is not worth it.

    The Yankees cannot afford to lose Edwar Ramirez for one game, let alone three. I’m at least glad to see that Cabrera also got a suspension this time, however.

    When every game is precious, every game is a must-win, the Yankees cannot afford to lose players over this nonsense. Yes, nonsense.

    Rant over. :)

  660. CaptainsCorner July 31st, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    Suxs got rid of Hansen??!!! Isn’t he the same guy that they and Gammons claimed was the next hall of famer? I cant believe that the Suxs paid all of his contract $7, gave up Koufax and only got back Bay. Great trade for the Dodgers and for Yanks fans…The Dodgers gave up nothing, none of there good prospects and no money at all. Crazy that they got Boston to play all of that money. Bay is not that good at all.

  661. SamVA July 31st, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    I see a huge night tonight for=
    Cano (see numbers v. Garland) (4-4) 2 2B HR
    Nady (I feel like yesterday he became comfortable as a yankee) (2-3) BB
    Pudge (maybe not at the plate but I think he will show us something with his arm) prediction- (1-3) BB
    Betemit (look for him as a possible PH if we get in to a tight situation and Giambi is up as he is 1-1 in his career against Garland with a HR)

    Angels-
    Texiera is going to be hitless look for maybe a couple of walks maybe a web gem.

  662. Blargh July 31st, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    So it’s effectively 1 game for Cabrera… (ya, penalties for starters never made sense to me)

  663. PittsburghYankeeFan July 31st, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Imagine the lineup if Matsui can come back and be healthy, and just for kicks, Girardi decides to play him in LF, Damon in CF, and Nady in RF.

    Think about a 1-9 of:

    Damon
    Jeter
    Abreu
    ARod
    Giambi
    Nady
    Cano
    Pudgy
    Matsui (batting 9th!)

    The outfield defense would be atrocious, but just think about it…

  664. SamVA July 31st, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    the numbers I listed were predictions not their career numbers (just to clarify)

  665. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    I just want to know if Gammons said that the pirates got the best of the deal due to picking up “The Best Reliever”Hansen?

  666. YankeeVIP July 31st, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    i guess mlb realized their precious bosox just embarrassed themselves are cant compete, so they took it out on the yankees

  667. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 31st, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    “The difference between the Angels and the Yankees will be found in the # 4 spot in the rotation come playoff time”

    A lot of times, the #4 spot doesn’t even get used because of the off days – right?

  668. Bobby July 31st, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    With Edwar suspended, do they get to bring up another player? I’ve never understood this rule.

  669. Brad July 31st, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Delusional Boston fans will blame Theo Epstein for the Manny deal never realizing that John Henry desparately wanted him gone no matter what.

  670. Redding July 31st, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    PittsburghYankeefan-

    Great lineup… and we can put in Sexon/Melky in after the 6th inning for defensive purposes.

  671. Frank July 31st, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Red Sox fans can’t spin this one !!!!

    This trade is BRUTAL.

    The Red Sox basically traded Manny Ramirez, Brandon Moss AND Craig Hansen for… Jason Bay?!?!?

    LOL. That’s truly priceless.

  672. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    pittsburgh yankee fan: Oh, I’d ust have to hope that the other team didn’t hit anything out of the infield!

  673. mko July 31st, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    With Edwar suspended, do they get to bring up another player? I’ve never understood this rule.

    1. He appealed, so the suspension is held up right now.
    2. Of course they can’t call anybody up. If they could it wouldn’t be a real punishment for the team…

  674. vinny-b (Cashmoney, Girardi, Nardi, Pettitte, Mo = my NYY 5) July 31st, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    pittsburgh yankee fan: if nady is a formal all-star, then it’s an all-star at every position.

  675. pete July 31st, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    bob watson forgot how it was when he played. what a shame…..

  676. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Pittsburgh: In that lineup they would DH Matsui, leave Nady in Left and Abreu in Right. The OF wouldn’t be that bad, just Damon’s arm in center

  677. CaptainsCorner July 31st, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    I dont think Cabrera hit Arod on purpose either. BUT If you are going to be a major leaguer then know where your freaking pitches are going!! He hit Jeter in the head last year, has hit Jeter in the hands a couple of times then up and in on Arod. Give me a break already. I dont want to hear from Baltimore that he leads the league in walks and wild pitches..then dont be in the majors if you are that wild and that dangerous with hurting batters. He stinks against everyone else besides the Yanks learn the strike zone. Good thing Cabrera got suspended also, I am sick and tired of jsut the Yanks pitcher getting suspened. The Yanks young pitchers are soo stupid. If you want to throw at someone fine but do it under the belt. They want to be tough guys but have no idea where to hit the batter..

  678. ANSKY July 31st, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    So 3 games for Edwar?

    Daniel Cabrera hit ARod and got 6 games?

    But Hansen hit A-Rod and gets nothing even after Varitek said the day before that the team would “talk about what to do … yadda yadda yadda.”

    Watch next time Joba faces Boston … Joba throws a high OUTSIDE pitch to Youkilis, who whines, and Joba gets tossed & suspended. And next time Beckett or Matsuzaka face NY, they’ll drill A-Rod and both benches will get warned.

    Actually, Boston may be getting smart and they’ll have a middle reliever come in and do the dirty work. Just like Edwar did ;)

    Joba – If you read this blog, buzz one 6 feet high but over the middle of the plate (or even over the other batter’s box) next time you pitch against Youkilis, and see what happens. If you get tossed, appeal, and remind the MLB guys that you’ve never actually hit the guy. If they don’t throw it out, point to the video tape of Matsuzaka being told by his teammates to drill A-Rod and ask why none of them have faced the same music.

  679. DV July 31st, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    If we can just play .750 ball the rest of the way ( and with THIS lineup and some NEW #4 and #5 Starters soon, it IS possible )…..we’ll finish 100-62 ! Now let’s start with a “W” tonight and welcome Pudge !!!

  680. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    Doesnt the league know that Edwar cant hurt anyone with his fastball? Im sick of seeing our guys get the most game suspensions in the league. If it was any other teams players they would have had a slap on the hand.

  681. Y's Guy July 31st, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    enough of this crap about the angels, we beat them this w/e and next and we could have the best record in baseball, the can be had!

  682. RSM July 31st, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    “Imagine the lineup if Matsui can come back and be healthy, and just for kicks, Girardi decides to play him in LF, Damon in CF, and Nady in RF.”

    Melky is not just slumping, he has regressed considerably. However, I never want to see Damon in Center again. I don’t care if Melky never gets another hit this season. With the way opposing players just run all day on Damon, it would cost 2-3 runs per game (according to my highly scientific statistical analysis known as guesstimating).
    Damon is no longer an adequate Center Fielder.

  683. Timothy Clougher July 31st, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Griffey will not help the White Sox, and they will put him in CF…

    To me both Sox teams had a poor day…

  684. PAT M July 31st, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    The # 4 starter is a non-factor in the Divisional first round……

  685. YankeeVIP July 31st, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    lets make one thing clear.

    no boston fan, not a single one has the right to complain about manny’s antics or think they are better off now. seriously, if you ever spoke the words “manny being manny”; your nothing more then a pathetic hypocrite with no pride. simple as that

  686. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Y’s guy: I like the thinking!

  687. mko July 31st, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    The # 4 starter is a non-factor in the Divisional first round……

    You did see last year’s playoffs right? With Wang pitching on short rest?

  688. Real World July 31st, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Pitt seems to have settled for quantity for their All-star OF, who is controlled next year, at cheap dollars. They should have opted for higher quality talent. I guess when you stink as bad as they do, you figure the more poop you throw against the wall, the better chance some will stick.

    The Sox overpaid to get rid of Manny for sure, but lets face it, Bay is a .900 OPS player, and not chopped liver. They have him next year too, if they don’t decide to move him in the offseason. He’s a very good haul considering their options. Moss & Hansen aren’t world beaters either. Moss has no shot to play in Boston, and Hansen can’t handle the pressure put on him from draft day. Oh, and what’s $7 million to the Sox? Clearly they overpaid, but they did do as best as could be expected.

  689. ANSKY July 31st, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    YankeeVIP

    Well put … I second that motion.

  690. Frankie speaking .... July 31st, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Can anybody imagine Manny clean shaven, no dreadlocks, and no doo-rag ? Priceless !

  691. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Folks. How would you like to be the Brewers. They go out and get C.C. to compete for the division and proceed to get swept by the Cubs. Cant feel too good.

  692. geO [Murderer's Row and Cano] July 31st, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    I can.

  693. Russell NY July 31st, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Real World – they sold low on Hansen, undervalued Moss, paid for Ramirez to leave, and their offense is now worse. Whatever positive we want to pick out of in between the teeth of the Red Sox, there isn’t much.

  694. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    I would not want to be a Brewers fan right now, no.

  695. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    “4. Manny gets lost driving in LA and is late for his first game at Dodgers Stadium.”

    Im imagining him looking like Forest Whitaker.

  696. SamVA July 31st, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    “UPDATE, 6:24 p.m.: Shameless plug: I will be on ESPN News around 6:45 p.m.”

    YEAH PETE!
    EVERYONE WATCH ESPN NEWS

  697. yanksince57-kennedy/aceves/next? July 31st, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    brian and marcus giles LOL

  698. YankeeJosh July 31st, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    I’d be careful about writing the Red Sox off. I think this was a bad trade for them, though they did get Manny’s replacement for a reasonable cost. Still, they are a worse team today than they were yesterday. However, they still have a very solid line-up with Pedroia, Ortiz, Youkilis, Drew and Bay. They also have 3 top notch starters in Beckett, Lester and Matsuzaka. The bullpen stinks, but they can fix that in the waiver wire period most likely.

    This is certainly a great day to be a Yankees fan, but the Red Sox are a quality team and to expect them to fall off the earth because Manny is gone doesn’t seem likely to me, though I certainly hope it happens.

  699. LathamJoe July 31st, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Betcha Jose’ catches both Pettite and Mussina.

  700. CaptainsCorner July 31st, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Why is Cash so vague about Manny leaving? I wouldnt be surprised if the Yanks paid for the plane to take him to LA. Cash you are allowed to tell everyone how excited you are about the move. The fans are!!!

  701. ellen July 31st, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Wow, 698 posts on a game thread – 35 minutes before first pitch!

  702. fred from jersey July 31st, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    “Betcha Jose’ catches both Pettite and Mussina.”

    betcha you didnt read todays lineup

  703. El Guapo July 31st, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Guys,

    Instead of dancing in the aisles for the Manny trade, I think you should all focus on the mammoth series that we have ahead starting today. If (and for me it is a BIG IF) the Yankees make the playoffs, they will probably meet the Angels. I see at best a split of the series, most likely just one win. I hope I am proven wrong, but I have a feeling we will see very quiet bats.

  704. SamVA July 31st, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    I think we have had like 2,000 comments already before the game has even started… can you believe this blog… pretty soon it will be ESPN.com, MLB.com, and the LoHud blog with Peter Abraham.. (that is how it already is for me)

  705. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    This series won’t be easy and to be completely realistic, a split is the most reasonable expectation.

    That said, I think the events of the past couple of days might very well be the push the Yankees need.

  706. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    Only the Yankees get suspended for almost hitting someone. ALMOST. I could see a game, but 3 games? Just stupid. If an Oriole ACTUALLY HITS a Yankee, they dont get anything. I just odnt see how it makes sense.

  707. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    Pete is never gonna get his ESPNews time with all the Brett Favre nonsense.

  708. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    Yankees win the series 3-1. Statement series.

  709. Sean Serritella July 31st, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    If Pete is going to be on ESPN news, I hope it’s on channel 3 on my cable because I have different espn channels.

  710. PAT M July 31st, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    With Ponson & Rasner throwing in this series, a split would be most welcomed

  711. trisha - In quasi-mourning. :( July 31st, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    “The Red Sox basically traded Manny Ramirez, Brandon Moss AND Craig Hansen for… Jason Bay?!?!?”

    You forgot to add “and paid them to take Manny!”

    :D

  712. SamVA July 31st, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    I’m excited to see this. Has he ever been on ESPN before?

  713. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    SOS- I was just gonna say that. This series is big for the Yankees. If they can win it, it shows we are top 3 in baseball.

  714. Brian M July 31st, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    What a terrible deal for the Red Sox. They gave up the best player in the deal, paid his contract and threw in not one but two solid prospects. Ouch.

    I know Bay is a good player, and to be honest now that he is in Boston, and not the far side of the moon, I am sure he will become much more of a household name and get more respect from your average fan, but…

    although Manny’s numbers aren’t that much higher in general, in a big game, when Manny actually cares, such as in any game against the Yankees, or in a big pressure spot, Manny’s unique make-up means he ignores the pressure and somehow enjoy it instead. Then he rips a double into the gap.
    Making the adjustment to Boston, plus not being a bit psychotic means Bay won’t be able to duplicate that. The fear factor of facing Manny is gone. With Papi limping through the yr they now rely on nancy Drew. Good times.

  715. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    SamVA- Yes, hes been on a handful of times

  716. trisha - In quasi-mourning. :( July 31st, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    “Yankees win the series 3-1. Statement series.”

    I’m with you!

  717. jay destro July 31st, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    Sam yeah pete’s been on a few times.

  718. dont retire 21 July 31st, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    everytime pete has plugged himself on espnnews espn never ends up airing it. whats the deal?

  719. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Pete has been on ESPN a few times :)

  720. dont retire 21 July 31st, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    ok so this time hes on

  721. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Trisha – what is NESN’s spin on the trade? Do they think it was good for the Sox?

  722. Buddy Biancalana July 31st, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Edgar & Adrian Gonzalez on the Pads right now along with the Giles brothers.

  723. kd July 31st, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    is he on now? i am at work, could someone please summarize what he said?

  724. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    UPDATE, 6:20 p.m.: Here is the latest on our old pal Phil Hughes. He will pitch for Single-A Charleston on Saturday and be elevated to 50 pitches. Hughes could be a handful of starts away from being ready.

    Cashman mentioned Hughes, Kennedy and Aceves as possible options in the rotation.

    Hughes is not an option. He needs to show more than the likes of Carl Pavano before he should be considered as a Yankee starter or relief help. Perhaps he can go more than a month once he is back without getting hurt. His track record is not good.

  725. Y's Guy July 31st, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    welcome pudge! i think he’s gonna do something big tonigt!

  726. dont retire 21 July 31st, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    not on yet they are talking to the angels beatwriter right now

  727. Brian M July 31st, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    PJH –

    I think there will be dozens of other examples but the last borthers on the same team I can think of were Brian and Marcus Giles.

  728. dont retire 21 July 31st, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    NESN was killing the trade earlier… they thought the sox woulda been better off taking the picks at the end of the yr.

  729. AlexCT July 31st, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    i hope this trade season shows the steinbrenners how badly they need to resign cashman at the end of this season.

  730. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Whiff,

    Why doesn’t he try winning a playoff game? Oh yeah, he’s already done that, Copernicus.

  731. grafxkid July 31st, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Pete’s on!!

  732. yanksince57-kennedy/aceves/next? July 31st, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    i certainly hope some of our blog negativists are rethinking their anti-cashman stances!

  733. trisha - In quasi-mourning. :( July 31st, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Pete’s on!

    :)

  734. Frank July 31st, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    It’s not just about the Red Sox this year. This hurt them for years to come. David Ortiz isn’t getting any younger, and stuggles to play a full season.

    Brandon Moss was supposed to be Manny’s replacement in the OF. Look at his numbers in AAA. He was a good prospect. Hansen throws 97mph. Enough said.

  735. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    Over/Under on Figging being thrown out stealing this weekend.
    2

  736. emobacca July 31st, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    Hey Pete, the girl you are talking to is pretty cute

  737. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 31st, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    “Hughes is not an option”

    Not even for Dan Geise? I think there is a chance he can still contribute this year. Lord knows he is going to be motivated to put the injuries behind him.

  738. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Pudge looks good in pinstripes :)

  739. Rishi July 31st, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    not sure if it was posted: Cabrera suspended 6 games and Edwar 3 for this week…

  740. Brian M July 31st, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Not too sure about the Gonzales – Nunez deal.

    I don’t know anything about Nunez other than reading his numbers, and I think Gonzales could be an everyday guy somewhere, but only yesterday the Pudge deal was made because on balance we were weak at catcher compared to RHRP. Cash was worried about another injury (to Molina) leaving us more exposed).

    It seems weird to give up our only decent injury cover for Jeter to get another young arm when Patterson, Aceves, Bruney, Britton and Melancon could all answer the call.

  741. Sean Serritella July 31st, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    What kind of #$@# is this? I don’t have espn news?

  742. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    that accent!!!!!!!!!

  743. PAT M July 31st, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Whiff must be on the DL….Babble on

  744. yanksince57-kennedy/aceves/next? July 31st, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    the more rule 5 names you have, the more confused you make the enemy :) :) :)

  745. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Welcome to the family Pudge.

    The Angels scare me. Oy

  746. pat July 31st, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Bill Plaschke from the LA Times on ESPN:

    Who cares if Manny is a problem in the clubhouse. Fans will love him because he gives them a chance to win.

  747. trisha - In quasi-mourning. :( July 31st, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Fran it’s pretty interesting. I listened to EEI all day, and when the trade was finally announced, they sounded really excited. I think the pundits, Sean McAdam included, are really believing that the recent swoon by the Sux was helped in part by all of the turmoil caused by Ramirez. Even though some of them (callers too) are saying factually that Jason Bay is not the same calibre player as Ramirez and they are thinking that because he is coming from the NL his current stats are somewhat inflated, they all seem to consider it addition by subtraction. I think they all are feeling that the Sux and Francona shouldn’t have had to put up with Manny’s antics any longer and that even though he had acted like a turd in the past, he really crossed the line this time with all of the disrespect he was showing and the statements he was making to the press. It appears that most are totally relieved that he is gone. I didn’t really hear a lot of consternation of the other kind. A few callers said things like “Thanks for all you did Manny, but it was time for you to go.”

    They are all agreeing that Bay is a downgrade of sorts but there isn’t a lot of talk about how devastating that is in terms of losing Manny. It’s more like “Okay he isn’t Manny, but he’s a decent player. YAY! Bye Manny and thank God it’s over.”

    :)

  748. Y's Guy July 31st, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    of course as a yankees fan i love it that manny quit on the sox and blackmailed his way out of beantown. but rivalry aside, this is a huge black mark on ramirez’s career, he quit on his team, his teammates and the team’s fans. whatever respect i had for him b/c of his clutch yankee killing bat i’ve lost as a fan of baseball, it sucks what he did.

  749. mike July 31st, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    how could you possibly compare pavano’s track record with hughes. that is moronic.

  750. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Edwar’s suspension will probably get knocked down by 1-2 games if he appeals, right? I’m sure he will be very contrite at the hearing too.

    Anyway, it’s absolute nonsense he got suspended (at least Cabrera did too though, thats actually fairer than I expect from those fascists) but at least he doesn’t have to miss any of this Angels series. I know he will be wanting to go out there and fight against the team that cut him twice.

  751. El Guapo July 31st, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Question is whether a split of the series achieves anything in terms of proving the team can go all the way. After all, that is .500, which is were they have been lingering for a good part of the season. Not convinced that a split is good. If they want to prove themselves, they need to get the 3-1.

  752. Brian M July 31st, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    I wonder how David Ortiz feels about Manny now? If I were him I’d be a tad upset.

  753. trisha - In quasi-mourning. :( July 31st, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Fran, as an addendum, there were fans who assimilated the news quickly and did get to the next important phase with their questions to McAdam et al. Lots of them went something like this: Do you think the Yankees are a much better team now with the trades they made? They went out and got Marte and Nady and now they have Pudge Rodriguez. All we did was got Jason Bay and gave up bullpen help!

    So those kinds of questions were out there also, but nothing was really framed in terms of why oh why didn’t we keep Manny! Nothing I heard anyway.

  754. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    ugh, I’m stuck with the Angel announcers out here. All they do is talk about the Yankees payroll.

  755. kd July 31st, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    i have a question in all of this. does manny seriously think that some team is going to pay him more than $20 mill a year? if he does, he;s crazy. Fenway is a hitters park, you’re going to see manny’s numbers decline in la, a pitcher’s park. and he quit on his team, a terrible thing to do in his walk year. with all of the manny being manny stuff we’ve already seen, it probably wouldn’t have affected him this winter. now with this, my guess is that his next contract is 2yr/ 35 mill.

    he cost himself some money, the one thing that gammons said drove him.

  756. Y's Guy July 31st, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    to hell with a split, i want 4 of the 7 in the next 2 weekends. these guys aint the 27 yankees! they can be taken. we have to take them in the PS if we want to make the WS!

    get game one and move on from there.

  757. mike July 31st, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    it’ll be interesting to see if any of the red sox players say how they really feel about manny now that he is gone. seems like some have been holding back, and rightfully so, during this whole ordeal

  758. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    “Bill Plaschke from the LA Times on ESPN:

    Who cares if Manny is a problem in the clubhouse. Fans will love him because he gives them a chance to win.”

    He is right. I mean, they have Jeff Kent on their team, don’t they? To them the Dodgers will always be The LA team and with what the Angels have been doing I am sure theyre thrilled to go out there and make a splash too, esp one like this that makes them a lot better.

    Also, Torre is the best manager of problem egos in the world, so I really don’t think they see (or have) much reason to worry.

  759. George July 31st, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    There are few things in life I take pleasure in more than my enemies making catastrophic
    blunders … So he’s a pain-in-the-butt, he doesn’t hustle, he whines, complains,
    yada, yada, yada … Regardless of his age, his attitude, his salary, Manny Ramirez
    was the single greatest slugger I’ve seen in my lifetime … I let out a little
    pee pee every time he stepped in the batters box against our boys … especially
    when the game was on the line … Jason Bay? Are you kidding? … Well, at least
    I can now catch Manny live at Dodger Stadium and laugh every time he crushes one out
    and above the smog layer, knowing my team aren’t the ones paying the price …
    In the end I’m just so glad that it wasn’t us. Imagine the Yankees trading
    A-Rod for someone like Dan Uggla? Oh, Dan is such a nice Christian boy. He’s
    not into that culty Kaballah. He doesn’t cheat on his wife with aging pop stars
    or cry about how he’s booed by the fans when he strikes out with men on base.
    We should get Danny boy. He’s a heck of a lot cheaper, younger and his last
    name makes you giggle … I lost respect for Bosox because they soooo
    stoopid. But when it’s not my bad, I love dumb.

  760. Terror for the Halos in Gotham ! July 31st, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    SWEEP the ANGELS ! You GOTTA Believe !!! :-)

  761. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    I wonder if Manny helps revive Andruw Jones.

  762. Fredo Corleone July 31st, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    Manny trade to me = addition by subtraction

    As much as he may have wanted to go, they wanted him gone more. After 7+ years of sucking his toes and covering for his actions, they’d had it. This deal rings a little of the Garciaparra deal from ’04 when they likely overpaid (Matt Murton, a Moss-like 4th OF type was in that deal) for what they got back. Like Garciaparra, Ramirez lost his teammates and could no longer be trusted. That clubhouse would have been a miserable place had Friday night rolled around and he was still there. Don’t necessarily expect results the ensued after that Garicaparra deal, but I’d guess Boston is a more focused lot than what they were the past couple weeks. Didn’t add needed bullpen help, but improved when they got rid of Hansen.

    An aside in Hansen. I’m happy for him. He couldn’t hack Boston, but he has talent. Pittsburgh and the NL may do him a world of good.

    Go Andy!!!

  763. Fredo Corleone July 31st, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    “I wonder if Manny helps revive Andruw Jones.”

    Does he know CPR???

    Can he spell CPR?

    If anything, Jones suffers from this as he may not have a regular job in LA.

  764. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    All right Andy.

    Big game it up for us!

  765. El Guapo July 31st, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Who cares about how the Sox feel about the Manny trade???? Fact is, we are still several games behind the wildcard AND the Sox, facing the best team in the AL and you guys still ponder how Manny and Boston feels? Come on! the problem is lying at your doorstep! You all cannot assume that Boston is coming to a grinding halt and we will just take a comfy spot in the wildcard??
    WHO CARES!!!

  766. Vanessa - F4TD July 31st, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    what is with the suspensions? i didn’t think the whole “situation” with the throw was that serious, but that could be just me.
    i wonder if edwar will be the yanks’ eighth inning man.

  767. Y's Guy July 31st, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    yeah! sweep the angels! hell yeah! i dont care what the pitching matchups look like, if you wanna be the best team in the league, you gotta beat the best team in the league. i concede nothing to the angels! sure, they got a good manager, so do we! they’ve got some old guys and too many dh’s and problems just like everybody else, they can be beaten!

    sweep these guys!

  768. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    And we’re underway! Let’s go Yankees!

  769. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    Isn’t that an out? If it hits the bat again?

  770. trisha - In quasi-mourning. :( July 31st, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    Hey okay, I’ll go with a sweep! I’m in.

    :)

  771. Y's Guy July 31st, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    wondering if manny would be in l.a. if tex wasnt in anaheim of l.a…..there is a battle going on for the hearts and minds of los angeles….

  772. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Trisha – I’m surprised. Thought people there would be more upset. Guess they really did have enough of Manny and his antics up there.

  773. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    One down, 26 to go :)

  774. Fredo Corleone July 31st, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    “i concede nothing to the angels! sure, they got a good manager,”

    Wouldn’t concede anything to them either, but they have the BEST manager in the game.

  775. El Guapo July 31st, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    whew! At least your heads are back in the game!
    Go Yanks

  776. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Angel: It’s an out if it was hit in fair territory, but Figgins was still in the batter’s box.

    No harm, no foul.

  777. Mark Alan July 31st, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    I wonder if MLB will let Pudge go into the Hall as a Yankee. You know he’ll demand that they do.

  778. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Sterling thought it was an out, he was halfway through his opening pontifications on Izturis before he realized what was up, lol.

  779. Bob Jones-I want farnsy back July 31st, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Pettite looks good

  780. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Why does everyone pronouce the X in Xavier Nady’s name?

    Is it pronounced in xylephone?

    Apparently xylephone is now pronounce Xzylephone… never knew it.

  781. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 31st, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    “Sterling thought it was an out, he was halfway through his opening pontifications on Izturis before he realized what was up, lol.”

    Sterling gets lost a minimum of 3 times per game – how many times has he called Betemit Cano – lol

  782. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    …Victor Zambrano?

  783. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    Whiff: I was wondering about that too.

  784. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    Oh thanks Rebecca. I figured it was legit seeing as no one really protested, lol. I just wasn’t quite sure why.

    750 comments and the game hadn’t even started, busy day around here, huh? :)

  785. Bob Jones-I want farnsy back July 31st, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Did michael Kay say Carlos Zambrano???

  786. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Victor Zambrano… the healthy Carl Pavano.

  787. TKinDC (have you hugged a prospect today?) July 31st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Think we can trade him for Kazmir? :)

    Was that Minaya or Phillips?

  788. Vanessa - F4TD July 31st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    He said Victor Zambrano was signed to a minor league contract.

  789. Pedro July 31st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Comon Pettitte, throw some damn strikes.

  790. AlbanyYankee July 31st, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Who is the “big” waiver wire block that some team (other than the Yankees) got stuck with that Cashman referred to? The reporters laughed thinking he was referring to Canseco at first. Any ideas?

  791. trisha - In quasi-mourning. :( July 31st, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Fran, there may be some callers who will be upset, but everything I heard was that they had had enough. I guess fans had started to boo him, and I guess he dogged it a few times either last night or the night before. There was a lot of talk on last night’s NESN Postgame about the time it took him to get down the line to first base and they were actually talking in terms of actual seconds that it should take and the fact that it took him so many more. I can’t see that they could feel any other way about it Fran because the guy’s comments about wanting out had been blasted all over radio and television. During the day when people weren’t sure whether a trade was going to happen, they were also worrying about what would happen to the team chemistry if the trade didn’t go through and also what they would have in a player since Manny really didn’t want to be there.

    He really wore out his welcome – but I believe he did it to get exactly what he got, and that was the hell out of Boston.

  792. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    You know, if Pettitte was simply pitching around Teixeira and Vlad, I don’t exactly have an issue if he gets out of it.

  793. mel July 31st, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Whew. Disaster averted. Torii’s been knocking ‘em out.

  794. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Whiff – apparently he prefers to have it pronounced w/a hard X (X-avier) as opposed to a soft X (Zshavier). I guess because he often goes by X and it sounds more like that with the X pronounced.

  795. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    haha…Carlos, victor…same thing, right?

  796. TGFizeek July 31st, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    Guapo-
    1 game out of wild card
    6 games remaining against the fading Rays
    1 game behind the BoSox (sans Yankee killer ManRam)
    2 FANTASTIC trades/upgrades
    =
    Good day to be a Yankee

  797. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    Well Torii has struggled in his career at Yankee Stadium. I don’t know whether that’s an individual thing or a collective thing as the Twins as a whole have never played well here, but maybe he was pitching around them. I doubt he wanted to walk Teix though, but maybe Vlad.

  798. dont retire 21 July 31st, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    tkindc

    neither it was duquette

  799. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    That Griffey trade is almost as bad as the Manny trade. Griffey can’t play CF.

  800. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Please score some runs nice and early

  801. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Trading for Griffey itself isn’t a bad idea.

    The bad idea is playing him in CF.

  802. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Interesting… Then if it is a hard X in his name, including a Z sound after the X in still incorrect.

    The Z is not implied if the X is pronounced.

  803. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    TK it wasnt anyone of those two. The gm prior.

  804. lee July 31st, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    I don’t blame Manny. Would YOU want to be a red sox player?!

  805. dont retire 21 July 31st, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    sos27

    i believe it was duquette who was the interim gm just after phillips had been let go and prior to minaya arriving

  806. TurnTwo July 31st, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    that Victor Zambrano thing isnt really news… hasnt he been throwing in Tampa at the minor league complex for the last couple weeks now?

  807. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    “Trading for Griffey itself isn’t a bad idea.

    The bad idea is playing him in CF.”

    But Rebecca, doesn’t that in itself make it a bad trade? They traded for a guy that can’t really use the way they need to. They can’t DH him because then Thome plays 1B. Having him in CF is a recipe for disaster. Kenny Williams has been trying to get Griffey for years. He finally realized his dream. It will be interesting to see how much it costs them in the end.

  808. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    I still can’t work out where the White Sox are going to play Griffey.

  809. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Okay, Yanks, you’ve gotta be a little better offensively than that :)

  810. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    typical impatience against the Angels.

  811. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Meh, would have been nice to make Garland throw more than 13 pitches. That said, better 13 than 5.

  812. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Dont retire,
    I think you are correct. Couldnt remember his name. I try not to pay attention to the Mets as much as possible. Accept for rooting for the team they play against.

  813. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    well i guess bobby can’t hit a homerun every AB, right?

  814. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Exactly. The White Sox made a mistake with this deal. They already have Konerko at first and Thome at DH. Griffey was horrible on defense this year playing right field… and they expect him to play center? Are they crazy? And not only that but he’s not having a great offensive year and is hitting only .230.

    It seems like a total waste for them and one that won’t impact their team wins at all.

  815. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Or.. what Laura said, lol.

    Who’s the odd man out there?

  816. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    “I still can’t work out where the White Sox are going to play Griffey.”

    They can do what we do with our aging players. First base!!

  817. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    You know, the more I see Bobby in right field, the more I like the idea of Damon/Cabrera/X in the field and Bobby DHing.

  818. fred from jersey July 31st, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    for the love of god, DH Bobby

  819. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Wow this ump is really squeezing Pettitte on low pitches today. How is he going to get these guys out if he can’t get strikes on low pitches? He’s a ground ball pitcher!

  820. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    that was an old man slide

  821. Frank July 31st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Andy doesn’t have it tonight.

    Game over.

  822. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    I’m personally hoping the upshot of this Griffey trade ends up being Thome playing some games at 1b. That would be such high comedy, it’d even be worth enduring the ridiculous White Sox announcers “you can put it on the board, yessss!”
    Would they say that about Thome’s errors too I wonder? heh.

    ugh @ Garret Anderson. Least he killed Boston too.

  823. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Strikes Andy. Please

  824. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Andy has it. He’s throwing plenty of strikes over the knees on the black but this idiot ump won’t call any of them!

  825. Dan Giese's Uncle July 31st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    come on andy throw a doggone strike.

  826. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    The problem, Michael, is that Vladimir Guerrero is in the midst of a major decline and Garret Anderson was never that good to begin with.

    Andy, strikes.

  827. Pedro July 31st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Absolutely horrible control from Pettitte so far. Won’t last long.

  828. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Ugh @ this ump

  829. TKinDC July 31st, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    SoS –

    On ESPN they were guessing that Konerko will sit more even though he is their captain.

    Thanks for the Mets 411 guys.

  830. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    “Who’s the odd man out there?”

    Konerko, who is doing even worse than Griffey.

  831. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Who said Robbie doesn’t dive?

    Seriously, Andy, throw some strikes, okay?

  832. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    “Andy doesn’t have it tonight.

    Game over.”

    You must have missed his last game vs. the sox. Way to have faith in the team.

  833. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    How can Cano miss that? That’s a tailor made DP ball and he made a horrible slide to try to stop it.

  834. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    Ugly so far.

    There’s only so much you can blame the umpire. Andy’s missing his spots. Even if he’s clipping the corners, or near them, the umpire has no reason to give him extra inches.

  835. DFox July 31st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    Wow, Cano needs to come up with that ball. That hopped a million times before it reached the OF.

  836. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, (Santana's not here, he's not coming!!!!) July 31st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    And the White Sox also have another player to plug in, with Nick Swisher laying in the weeds. Swisher and Konerko have both been struggling mightily at the plate this season. But that is Ozzie Guillen’s problem, not ours. :)

  837. El Guapo July 31st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    Pettitte is not looking his best. I hope he can remain in control…

  838. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    This ump is beyond horrible on those low pitches.

  839. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    someone asked last night when was the last time Cano dove for a ball.

    3 minutes ago.

  840. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    2 on by way of defensice indifference.

  841. j July 31st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    anybody else think cano has been a bit slower in the field?

  842. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Having a hard time throwing first pitch strikes. Maybe he will collect himself. Nice move by Pett there.

  843. Dan Giese's Uncle July 31st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Welcome to NY

  844. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    …erm, someone forgot to tell the Angels not to run on Andy :)

  845. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Well, that’s one way to keep them off the basepaths.

    How often does that work for a lefty?

  846. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Wow Anderson was so stupid there and bailed Pettitte out big time. He’s not even fast enough to steal 3rd even with that jump!

  847. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    geez i love his pickoff

  848. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Well that was cool! :)

  849. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Why doesn’t Pettitte just intentionally walk the first three batters in each inning and try to pick them all off?

  850. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Andy, let’s get some outs at the plate.

  851. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Big pick-off by Andy

  852. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    BOOOOOOO!!!!

    /sarcasm

  853. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Well, one pick off out of two isn’t horrible…

  854. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Well, so far this is right in line with his outing on Saturday, save the two-first inning runs.

  855. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    1 more Andy

  856. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Torre said that he’s happy to have Manny. Supposedly, Bay wasn’t thrilled about the trade.

  857. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Hey, anyway you can get out of the inning works for me :)

  858. The Fallen Phoenix July 31st, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Rebecca:

    Damon/Cabrera/X Nady would indeed be the ideal outfield (defensive) configuration for the Yankees, leveraging each player’s range.

    Granted, you weaken your outfield arms (Bobby’s arm > Damon’s arm), but you have a better chance of tracking down more fly balls.

    Xavier Nady can also play some 1st, so DH’ing Giambi is also a reasonable play…

  859. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Yup, this game is over. :roll:

    Get to work Yankee bats.

  860. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Andy needs a couple of quick innings to keep his pitch count down – it’s pretty high right now for 2 innings

  861. Pedro July 31st, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Pettitte is missing a lot on that outside corner to RHB’s so far tonight.

  862. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    lots of pitches so far…but i don’t care. the only thing that matters is runs

    score lots of em, dont give any up

    simple game, huh?

  863. TurnTwo July 31st, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    “Torre said that he’s happy to have Manny. Supposedly, Bay wasn’t thrilled about the trade.”

    honestly, with the offense Torre has had all year, why wouldnt he be happy right now?

    and Bay doesnt seem to me to be a guy who wants to be thrown into the wolves’ den in Boston.

  864. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Manny should follow CC’s lead and take out a full page ad in one of the Boston papers thanking the fans for putting up with his crap over the years.

  865. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    “and Bay doesnt seem to me to be a guy who wants to be thrown into the wolves’ den in Boston.”

    The PIT mgr said that Bay liked Pittsburgh and was disappointed to be leaving his teammates.

  866. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    “Supposedly, Bay wasn’t thrilled about the trade.”

    Really?! Wow, that’s kind of comical.

    It’ll be weird for him and Nady though. A week ago, teammates, batting next to each other in the lineup; now, bitter rivals. lol

  867. PAT M July 31st, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    Need to get to Garland early…..

  868. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    when did arod emerge with the best era in the league?

  869. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    “Torre said that he’s happy to have Manny. Supposedly, Bay wasn’t thrilled about the trade.”

    Like someone said earlier. Who would want to play for the red sox?

    So i have a huge delimma. I live in the Anaheim area. Work out of the house. The game is blacked out on mlb.com. I am listening to it because im supposed to be working. Do i

    a.Go to the family room and watch the game quitting work earlY?
    b.Keep listening on the radio and be a good employee. Even though im the employer?

  870. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Oy, Yanks, can we have some baserunners please?

    I mean Yankee baserunners. That we can turn into runs. that would be cool.

  871. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    im stupid…batting average…not pitching

  872. TurnTwo July 31st, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    “Need to get to Garland early…..”

    not looking likely so far.

  873. Pedro July 31st, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    First pitch at the knees called a strike. Pathetic ump.

  874. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    you could pitch giambe up there everytime and he would never hit it

  875. Pedro July 31st, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Great effort Giambi, way to make the pitcher work.

  876. mel July 31st, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Jesus Christ, G. What was that?

  877. GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Good to see that there’s three baseball wizards on the board that thinks Cano should have flagged down the hit to center field. I figured the idiot Cano haters had died off.

  878. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Wow Garland just pwned Giambi there. Jebus.

    He isnt actually this good a pitcher anymore as to justify the Yanks not being able to touch him, right? I mean his ERA is over 4, someone’s hitting him…

  879. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Guess that’s a no.

    Erm. Yanks, you got to score runs if you want to win the game.

  880. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    What amusing is that batting average is probably the worst way to demonstrate that A-Rod’s the best player in baseball. That he’s hitting .328 is almost coincidental.

    This is not encouraging.

  881. From LAX (yanks fan) July 31st, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    I lost $100 for betting Yanks to lose yesterday. Don’t worry. I’m happy that they won. And I’ll make my money back tonight, as I’m betting they’ll lose this one. :)

  882. trisha - In quasi-mourning. :( July 31st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Nice to see Garland pitching a NO HITTER. Where’s Michael Kay when you need him? If it was the other way around he would have announced it ten times by now!

  883. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Or you could decide like this..

    What would Manny do?

    :D

  884. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Maybe next inning a hit? Baby steps

  885. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    This is the same nonsense that I’ve been talking about for weeks. Giambi has looked beyond horrible at the plate all month, yet he’s still batting #5 behind A-Rod and in front of Cano. It’s even gotten to the point where Giambi is going down on only 3 or 4 pitches too with K’s. You have to drop a guy in the lineup if he’s as bad as Giambi right now, he’s hurting the team eating up valuable at bats with runners on.

  886. Joey Ramone July 31st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    “Torre said that he’s happy to have Manny. Supposedly, Bay wasn’t thrilled about the trade.”

    Torre should be happy. He’s getting one of the game’s great hitters, and they didn’t give up Kemp or Ethier to make it happen…

    If Bay isn’t thrilled about going to a contender, then it should make you wonder about him…

  887. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Cano seems to have come back to earth. I was hoping he’d keep up the torrid hitting for a while, but I expect that he’ll at least keep up steady production, with a few more hot streaks mixed in.

    He’s still having pretty good ABs, which is always good with him.

  888. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    “I lost $100 for betting Yanks to lose yesterday. Don’t worry. I’m happy that they won. And I’ll make my money back tonight, as I’m betting they’ll lose this one.”

    I don’t get it, do you want a golf clap or something?

  889. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    “I mean his ERA is over 4, someone’s hitting him…”

    Those are the ones we usually struggle with. Over 5 = Cy Young vs. us.

  890. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    I hate Figgins. Hate. I wish he could be traded to Japan.

  891. trisha - In quasi-mourning. :( July 31st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    “Good to see that there’s three baseball wizards on the board that thinks Cano should have flagged down the hit to center field. I figured the idiot Cano haters had died off.”

    :D

    Hey I suggested two forums during games, one for Yankee worrywarts (that’s being kind) and the other for the more even-keeled among us. But Pete never picked up on it.

  892. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Cross your fingers for Andy, he def. does not look good early on.

  893. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    Why be a fan if you bet against the team? It defies all logic. You would have had to be an idiot to bet against the Yankees yesterday.

  894. dont retire 21 July 31st, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    nypost.com headline … “Mets Attempted to Trade for Manny”

  895. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    Why does Giambi make every play look hard?

  896. Pedro July 31st, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Everybody in the Angels’ lineup kills Yankee pitching, that’s not good.

  897. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Canò’s cooled off a little bit, but he’s working much better at bats.

  898. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Andy is battling. Come on Andy!

  899. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    “nypost.com headline … “Mets Attempted to Trade for Manny””

    I think Omar did a lousy job. He’s really paying the price for emptying the farm system in both the Santana deal and things like acquiring a year of mediocrity in Paul Lo Duca. Ironically, the dude traded for Arthur Rhodes was Gaby Hernandez, part of that LoDuca trade. The Mets could have used somebody like Rhodes – that bullpen is really shaky.

  900. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    This guy’s strike zone REALLY sucks.

  901. TKinDC July 31st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    If I were a Mets fan I would be pissed (and a loser, but I digress) – The Dodgers gave up practically nothing, are not on the hook for Manny’s options and the Mets have Tatis in LF.

    Minaya should have been all over it.

  902. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Their team is grinding and our team isn’t.

  903. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    He should have eaten it, but at least the DPs in order and Figgins is still at 2nd.

    C’mon Andy, get through this. We need to win with Sir Sidney going tomorrow.

  904. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Oy to the Vey

  905. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    And Nady throws behind the runner.

  906. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    “Their team is grinding and our team isn’t.”

    Also known as, their pitcher is throwing quality strikes and ours isn’t.

    Darin Erstad’s probably avaliable, we could trade Bobby for him. Ditch the lazy latino for the scrappy, white ex-punter. YEAH!

  907. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    where was that one?

  908. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Ugh.. some of these pitch calls…

  909. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    This strike zone is a joke. No wonder the Angels have such a good road record. The umpires follow them around.

  910. terrence July 31st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    what is up with pettitte!!!!!!!!

  911. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Teixiera steals.

  912. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    It was only a matter of time, Pettitte. Game over.

  913. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    What is it with us and this damn team?

  914. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Well, so far I miss Jose Molina. Then again, the catcher’s spot hasn’t come up in the batting order.

    Oh crap.

    And so a miserable weekend of baseball begins.

    I hate the Angels.

  915. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    3 runs for this offense against any Angels pitcher might as well by 33. Put the Angels on the field and the Yankees play scared and nervous regardless of how good they are at the time.

  916. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 31st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    andy is back to being andy from may……

  917. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    somebody said hunter’s been hitting them out

  918. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Umm, it is NOT game over. Sheesh.

  919. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Damn :(

  920. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    “It was only a matter of time, Pettitte. Game over.”

    I’m of the opinion that any poster using the words “Game Over” before the 7th inning should be banned from the blog. Who’s with me?

    Ugh.

  921. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    oh my god

    I knew that was coming but not torii hunter. ugh. ugh. I hate that ^%$&$%E%#.

    ugh.

  922. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Andy just doesn’t seem to have it tonight.

  923. Pedro July 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Thank you Andy Pettitte, thank you for this pathetic job in the most important game series of the season. You are really a gamer!

  924. El Guapo July 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Pettitte looked weak from the onset. They’ll be lucky if they get 4 innings out of him. Now the Yankee bats need to wake up; being 3 in the hole against the Angels is not easy, especially given the come from behind record for the Yanks which is dismal this season.
    I was slightly hopeful in the first inning, but this one is going to the Angels.

  925. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    don’t tell me cano couldn’t have gotten that ball

  926. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    can cano ever make a diving play? seems like he over runs/dives everything to his right

  927. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    And this is all because of Pudge behind the plate. Putting him into the fire against a contending team catching pitchers he doesn’t know is a horrible move. Pettitte is good when he pitches INSIDE, yet idiot Pudge calls every pitch AWAY SO HOW CAN THROW OUT BASERUNNERS STEALING MORE EASILY.

    Pettitte is much better at throwing inside to righties than away. That’s a well known fact, and one that Pudge seems to be not aware of.

    And for all of you guys who defended Cano’s missed ball from Kendrick, that ball from Anderson HAS TO BE CAUGHT, and probably costs Pettitte many pitches. Lazy defense.

  928. geO [Murderer's Row and Cano] July 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    something tells me Rodriguez/Pettitte isn’t gonna work.

  929. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Whose more of a Yankee pain in the rear?
    Millar or Anderson

  930. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    This is ridiculous.

    I’m not saying this game is over, but this series is going to suck.

  931. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Looks like it is going to be a long night.

    No hits by the powerful offense and Pettitte looks like he did back in April.

    He cannot find the strike zone. Already 6 hits and it is only the 3rd inning.

    Time to get the bull pen going.

    Pettitte has been a disappointment this year. Not worth the $16 million.

  932. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Are you going to whine all game, Pedro?

  933. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    I can’t watch this. I can follow it, but the Angels make we want to throw things.

  934. rconn23 July 31st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Andy just looks awful. This was the only game I thought we had a reasonable chance to win. So much for that.

  935. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Pettitte looks terrible.

  936. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Pettitte doesn’t have much tonight. Behind every hitter (8 2-0 counts already) and his velocity is down from his last start.

    Tough to fall behind this team because their pitching and defense is very good.

    Just have to hope he can somehow stay in the game or the bullpen is going to be gassed for the weekend with Ponson starting.

    Right now, its all about trying to preserve the bullpen for the weekend. With this offense, 3 runs down is a mountain.

  937. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Cano’s missed plays have cost Pettitte 15 pitches so far and possibly another run. Lazy in the field and it’s killing us.

  938. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    something tells me Rodriguez/Pettitte isn’t gonna work.

    Until Pettitte can pitch better.

  939. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Andy Pettitte has faced 16 batters so far and has thrown first pitch balls to 11 of them. Sad.

  940. idea July 31st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Game over – Pettitte’s got nothing.

  941. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Oh dear

  942. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    “And this is all because of Pudge behind the plate. Putting him into the fire against a contending team catching pitchers he doesn’t know is a horrible move. Pettitte is good when he pitches INSIDE, yet idiot Pudge calls every pitch AWAY SO HOW CAN THROW OUT BASERUNNERS STEALING MORE EASILY.

    Pettitte is much better at throwing inside to righties than away. That’s a well known fact, and one that Pudge seems to be not aware of.”

    Clearly, you are a baseball savant the likes of Steve Phillips. You’re absolutely right.

    /sarcasm

  943. hanks the man July 31st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    dam i cant stand when pitchers dont throw stikess. just hate it..

  944. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Hey Pudge, WAKE UP.

    Pettitte throws a CUTTER. A CUTTER.

    When your best pitch is a cutter, you throw it INSIDE TO RIGHTIES to JAM THEM so they don’t EXTEND THEIR ARMS and hit a HOME RUN. Notice that Pudge? It doesn’t take a genius to see it.

    And why not call a curveball if he can’t throw a strike with his fastball?

  945. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    OK guys, have a good night.

  946. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    wow

  947. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Okay, this is really bad.

    Not game over, but game in serious jeopardy.

    Get Giese up.

  948. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Cano- 3
    Angels- 3
    Yankees- 0

    If Cano catches an EASY GROUND BALL, we are still in this game.

  949. Carmine July 31st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    I have nightmares about the Angels.

  950. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Not one of Andy’s better performances to say the least!

  951. hanks the man July 31st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    wow game over

  952. Pedro July 31st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    What a gamer! Big Game Pettitte!

  953. sunny615 July 31st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    does not look good.

  954. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    F&*%. I hate baseball.

  955. Joe m July 31st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    No good 6 runs with two outs

  956. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Well, this one is done. Now we really need Ponson or the bats (or a combination of the two) to show up tomorrow or this weekend could get really ugly.

    The Angels are red, red hot.

    That’s why losing a series to a bad Orioles team at home hurts. These guys (the Angels) are really, really good.

  957. Melky Fan Club July 31st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Where has our pitching gone?E

  958. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    4 game sweep. No doubt.

  959. Neil July 31st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    This is awful

  960. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Well that answer my question on if i should watch the game or listen to it. Ill just work and listen. With the volume much lower now of coarse.

  961. trisha - In quasi-mourning. :( July 31st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    So gee, does Andy not have it tonight or is it the combination of Andy and Pudge not having worked together before?

    Of course we can’t be sure of the answer but I know a few of us wondered about it last night.

  962. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    3-0 we could’ve come back

    6-0, this team just can’t do it

    don’t complain to me, i’m not being a pessimist, but this team plays HORRIBLY when they’re behind. if they don’t score first, bad things happen.

  963. mel July 31st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Poor Andy…

  964. El Guapo July 31st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    The Yankees look outpitched, outmatched and very inferior in every aspect of the game to the Angels. No way they get even a game this series. I propose everyone start getting used to not seeing them in the post-season for the first time in a long time.

  965. hanks the man July 31st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    period game over.thanks god we have joba in the rotation..i put money they are goin to sweep us..watch..

  966. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Well that will just about do it.

    Hot team versus no offense with no pitching.

    Better luck tomorrow night I guess.

    No way this team gets 6 runs back from the Angels. 1st pitch swinging will commence.

  967. Vince Black July 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    old Andy boy, when he’s on, he’s on and when he’s not………………wow

  968. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    “Hey Pudge, WAKE UP.

    Pettitte throws a CUTTER. A CUTTER.

    When your best pitch is a cutter, you throw it INSIDE TO RIGHTIES to JAM THEM so they don’t EXTEND THEIR ARMS and hit a HOME RUN. Notice that Pudge? It doesn’t take a genius to see it.

    And why not call a curveball if he can’t throw a strike with his fastball?”

    Andy is a veteran with four World Series Rings. Are you stupid enough to believe that Pudge gets to call his pitches?

    In the Kansas City game, Pettitte was crushed precisely because he was overreliant on that cutter. Jose Guillen waited for it and mashed it. In his recent streak of good pitching, Pettitte’s been using the outside corner a whole lot.

    He has no command. His pitches are flat. Pudge can’t do a damn thing about either one of those things.

  969. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    Look on the britght side, Ponson, Rasner and Mussina next. Or not.

  970. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    Can we at least get a hit now?

  971. Pedro July 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    We’ll be lucky to go 1-3.

  972. FrankDiscussion July 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    Pettitte obviously has nothing tonight, take him out now. Going to be a tough series if the pitching doesn’t improve.

  973. sw (Keep Rasner!) July 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    Oy, two three run homers with two outs. Doesn’t look like Pudge and Andy are in sync at all.

  974. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    “What a gamer! Big Game Pettitte!”

    Cause acting like a lil biotch over the Internet will always take the sting of disappointment out of a rough inning of baseball. good job.

  975. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    This is a game that we needed…andy did not come to pitch today. Offense will now give up and try to go home as quickly as possible. Cano and Cabrera will seek to hasten that by swinging at every first pitch, so they can go party tonight.

  976. TKinDC July 31st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Look on the bright side –

    Chris Britton’s parents might actually get to watch him pitch!

    Can he eat some innings tonight?

  977. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    “Pettitte doesn’t have much tonight. Behind every hitter (8 2-0 counts already) and his velocity is down from his last start.”

    No it’s not SJ. This is obviously all Pudge’s fault. Ignore what you’re seeing on the screen and make an impulse reaction. It’s the natural and senseless thing to do.

  978. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Im sure Pettitte is capable of picking his own pitches. Cant blame Pudge at all. If Andy can’t throw his own game after 14 MLB seasons we have some serious issues to work out.

  979. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    I was waiting to see how long it would take for some genius to blame Pudge for this outing.

    Newsflash, he isn’t throwing the pitches.

    Watch the game. Andy has nothing tonight. He can’t locate anything. It happens. You aren’t always going to have great stuff in every start.

    Tonight, he can’t locate anything. His velocity is also down.

    That’s not the catcher’s fault. That’s on the pitcher.

    The guy has pitched great for the last two months and tonight is a clunker.

    Doesn’t mean the season is over. Just means he had a bad start.

  980. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Cano failing to flag down GA’s single really hurt, no doubt of that.

  981. El Guapo July 31st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Can anyone of you stat whizzes find out how many times the Yankees have come from behind 5 runs or more this season?
    Oh, yes… ZERO

  982. MoBoy(aka McLovin) July 31st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    People say Pettitte and Mussina are pitching like Aces.But Joba did what he needed to do as a rookie in Fenway against a contending team.

    If only Pettitte can pitch against good teams can he say he’s a good pitcher.

    Go dominate the Royals and Blue Jays Pettitte.

  983. sunny615 July 31st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    wow did that inning just blow a couple of chunks…

  984. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    I call a 6 run comeback inning. This game isnt over. Stay with me fellas.

  985. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Okay, seriously, right now, I’ll be happy with a baseruner.

  986. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    I mean, they’ve been great, so I can’t get too mad, but couldn’t Andy and Mussina have picked better times to just get battered?

  987. blah July 31st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    the angels are just so far superior at this point than any other team. they have a better offense and better pitching staff than any other team. and it is not even close

  988. Mike Housman July 31st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    With Ponson and Rasner looming we are in big trouble.

    I hope they do not bring back either Andy or Mussina no matter how much Andy wanys to pitch in the new stadium.

    Joba, Wang, CC, Hughes and either IPK or Washburn.

    Neither Andy or Moose are worth the $$.

    The Angels are on fire.

  989. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Garland should be getting lit up with his stuff, but no, we can’t take decent ab’s.

  990. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Chris Britton will eat anything, innings included.

  991. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Well my rally cap is on.
    Please yankees. 1 little hit-a-rooni

  992. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    “Can anyone of you stat whizzes find out how many times the Yankees have come from behind 5 runs or more this season?
    Oh, yes… ZERO”

    Great. Go away and do other things, and stop being a friggin’ idiot on this blog. I mean, they are going to lose, so why watch?

  993. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Kay is an idiot. “I dont know why there are 2 batting titles, you face National Lague pitching”. Maybe because there are 2 leagues?

  994. Neil July 31st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    The fact that Sidney Ponson is still on this team let alone in the major leagues is a flat out joke. Everyone in the Boston lineup had at least a .300 avg against him and look what happened and now the best team in baseball has their chance to pack their stats tomorrow night. This is why you don’t lose to Guthrie and Cabrera and the last place Baltimore Orioles.

  995. blah July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    yankees make john garland and jeremy guthrie look like cy young. nice AB by pudge. strikeout on 4 pitches, woo hoo

  996. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Cano’s lazy play and Pudge’s horrible pitch selection are the reason Pettitte was as bad as he was.

    Cano missed a DP ball he could have reached in the 2nd that cost Andy 15 pitches on a hot night and tired him out.

    Then Pudge kept calling pitches away to righties when Pettitte’s strength is inside. He obviously can’t hit the outside corner as well and it cost him big time because he fell behind every hitter and the Angels sat on it and Hunter hit a 3 run HR on guess what… a fastball UP AND AWAY.

    6 runs against the Angels is most likely game over.

  997. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    take him out now.. so they burn out the pen with ponson and rasner and moose.. what are you talking about…

    as I mentioned the pudge pettitte thing pettitte is not a thinker he is a thrower….

    wow, looks like our offense is on again tonight….

  998. nathan July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Wow.. bottom of 3rd and already giving up… some of u have dodgerfanitis…

  999. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    God, he’s being booed already? Those fans are giving us a bad name.

  1000. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Um, what sane human being would prefer Jarrod Wasburn over Andy Pettitte?

  1001. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    The combination of idiots like Matt and Pedro are turning this place into a lame place to post during games, ugh. Its one thing to be pessimistic, its another thing to be a constantly and proud of being a pessimist. I don’t get people who are never happy unless there is something to whine, bitch and write 1000 paragraphs about, and are never seen when things are going good.

  1002. hanks the man July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    welcome home pudge with a strike out.i want farnsy back…

  1003. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    this is not Pudge’s fault or the two of them not being on the same page.

    this is just a bad performance by Pettitte. He is just overmatched by the Angles, pitching scared, missing spots, and now he has paid for it with a loss and 6 ER’s.

    He is not a #2 or #3 pitcher any more.

    The sad part is that the Yankees have a legit #1, a #3, #4, and 2 #5′s. That won’t work in the AL.

  1004. Melky Fan Club July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Atleast get a freaking hit

  1005. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    No hitter going for Gardland… who would of thought.

    OK, so we are 59 and 48 this season. 10 games against the Angels and that is a 59 and 58 record. Still 1 game above .500. I say we can hopefully end the season with 85 wins. That would be nice.

  1006. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Hey, look, a baserunner.

  1007. Original V July 31st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Pettitte is a terrible pitcher. He needed a game tonight and throws up a stinker. He should have been traded.

    This is a sweep in the making.

  1008. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Okay, well, the good news is that he won’t throw a perfect game.

  1009. trisha - In quasi-mourning. :( July 31st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Funny that Michael Kay was saying that Pudge is a different hitter now in that while he still hits for averaged he no longer hits for power. Well that typically happens when you’re off roids!

    Let’s take a bet on how long it is going to take Kay to say no hitter. It appears the words flow off his lips when a Yankee pitcher is the one doing it!

  1010. El Guapo July 31st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Ron,

    The truth hurts, and believe me, it hurts me a lot. I am just trying to get in a frame of mind of not seeing the Yanks in the postseason, without feeling utterly depressed in September. At least we have the Giants…

  1011. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    They actually booed Pudge? Wow.

    I really cringe for some of my fellow yankee fans sometimes.

  1012. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    guys it is pettittes fault not cano..

  1013. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Pudge getting booed already. Amazing.

    Some Yankee fans can be real morons. The sense of entitlement is almost comical.

    The guy hasn’t played one full game and he’s already hearing it.

    I don’t want to hear the, “we are passionate” nonsense either. That’s just being a moron.

    Sometimes, I wonder what these fans would do if they were in cities like Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Kansas City.

    They would probably be committing suicide by the third inning of Game One in a season.

  1014. TKinDC July 31st, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Just read this from Feinsand to cheer myself up:

    Mark Melancon is now at Triple-A, and if he pitches well, he could be this year’s Joba-type experiment. We’ll have to wait and see how he handles Scranton first, but he’s considered by many to be the Yankees’ closer of the future once Mariano Rivera retires after his three-year deal is up.

    Chad Jennings page has some very positive comments too. :)

  1015. sunny615 July 31st, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    garland is still throwing a no hitter… ugh

  1016. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    “Pettitte is a terrible pitcher. He needed a game tonight and throws up a stinker. He should have been traded.

    This is a sweep in the making.”

    You know, you might be the dumbest incarnation of V yet. Congratulations.

  1017. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    “welcome home pudge with a strike out.i want farnsy back…”

    Yeah, it’s like Paul just said. He’s nothing like the guy in Detroit who failed to get a hit 7 out of every 10 at bats.

  1018. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    If cano could catch ground ball it would be 0-0. But Andy did not help matters.

  1019. Jeremy July 31st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Even with all the trades and stuff. face it. We aren’t that good. Our starters besides Joba are average to below average. Our offense hasn’t hit all year. We may win 85 games.

  1020. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    “Just read this from Feinsand to cheer myself up:

    Mark Melancon is now at Triple-A”

    Yea? Mark Melancon really helps when Andy Pettitte sucks it up.

  1021. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Unfnbelievable. We’re getting no hit by Jon Garland.

    And make no mistake. This isn’t Joe Saunders. Garland really isnt that good.

    And Andy usually is nowhere near as bad as tonight. This is double suck. The pitching and the offense both crapping the bed, and in our most winnable of the 4 games.

  1022. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Way to go Yankees. Good job being patient and swinging at strikes. Melky, Pudge, Damon just all hacked away at junk out of the zone. With who we have going in the 2nd and 4th games a split would be a miracle against the Angels, who regardless of whether they are good or not, intimidate this team.

    Any team just has to wear the Angels hats and the Yankees will roll over and die. Put the Angels hats on the Twins and they even probably beat us.

  1023. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    “Ron,

    The truth hurts, and believe me, it hurts me a lot. I am just trying to get in a frame of mind of not seeing the Yanks in the postseason, without feeling utterly depressed in September. At least we have the Giants…”

    No, you are being a drag. And I’m a Jets fan.

  1024. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    I still would have liked to see Pudge get a few days to acclimate himself before he caught a game – especially with the Angels in town.

  1025. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    wow original V is a Moron.. I am out for the night the stupid posts when they lsoe are beyond mental retardation level…

    the whiners and losers that post here during losses are scary, please do not drive cars or vote.

  1026. Rick July 31st, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    The Yankees forgot they needed starting pitching too. Oh well, they got what they could.The kids just never pitched well for them this season and that is the story.

  1027. Neil July 31st, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    So the Yankees have one base runner in three innings against the Angels worst starter. Should be a fun four days.

  1028. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    What part of 3 innings don’t you people understand?

  1029. ZMAN7777 July 31st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Does anyone really think the Yanks have enough pitching to make a serious run this year?

  1030. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    If the Yankees are going to come back, they’ll need to get some hits!

  1031. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    “Some Yankee fans can be real morons. The sense of entitlement is almost comical.”

    It would be funny, except we are all judged by morons like that. Honestly, I wish a whole lot of people would jump off the bandwagon and off a cliff instead.

  1032. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Michael, Pettitte’s missing by like two feet. Pudge can’t do crap about that.

  1033. GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Christ, if Pettitte doesn’t like the pitch selection, it’s his option to select one. He’s either missing the plate a lot or everything is down the middle.

  1034. sunny615 July 31st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    there are some really stupid fans out there… yankee, saux, and teams of all flavors. Sometime you just have to take the bad with the good. No real fix there.

  1035. Andrew Mass July 31st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    “Some Yankee fans can be real morons. The sense of entitlement is almost comical.”

    And you are exhibit A, friend.

  1036. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Notice this inning that Pettitte is throwing everything inside. You think he pointed it out to Pudge that his strength is inside and not away to righties?

    All the shots away put him behind 2-0 3-1 in counts that made him give up hits. Pettitte is not overpowering, he isn’t going to get guys out with only fastballs away.

    And what a horrible night for Cano. 3 missed balls that HAVE TO BE MADE that have cost us big time.

  1037. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Come on, Robby. This is miserable.

  1038. Neil July 31st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Robbie Cano, Don’t Ya Know

  1039. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Ack, Robbie. That was a bit of deja vu there.

  1040. El Guapo July 31st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Ron,

    Not a Jets fan, but I am sure you have some faith in Gang Green for this year. As for the Yankees…

  1041. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    So far, this will not be credited as one of Cano’s best games.

  1042. Buzz July 31st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    cano defense the last 2 days is terrible…

  1043. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    “Notice this inning that Pettitte is throwing everything inside. You think he pointed it out to Pudge that his strength is inside and not away to righties?”

    Did you even WATCH his last four starts?

  1044. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
    Cano’s lazy play and Pudge’s horrible pitch selection are the reason Pettitte was as bad as he was.

    SERIOUSLY? You honestly think Pudge is the reason Andy can’t hit his spots, has no velocity, has been almost 2-0 on every batter.

    Wow!

  1045. Meeter July 31st, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Now we got Santana vs Ponson and Lackey vs Rasner.

    Angels come into Fenway and YS and take 7 games.

  1046. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    I’m at the point where pretending they don’t exist sounds good to me.

  1047. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Cano single handedly has handed the Angels 3 of their runs and counting tonight. Against a team like them, you HAVE TO play solid defense, and the Yankees look sluggish and unfocused at the plate and in the field and it’s burning them.

  1048. Eric July 31st, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    At least the Red Sox probably won’t win this year.

  1049. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Unfortunately, its night’s like this that will soon turn the game thread into a pile of you know what.

    One more comment before calling it a night.

    Spoke with a MLB buddy of mine a little while ago. Get this about the Marlins…..

    They not only wanted the Red Sox to cover Manny’s remaining 7 million in salary, they wanted another 3 million from the Sox for the “honor” of acquiring Ramirez. When the Red Sox balked, they pulled out of the deal! lol

    The Marlins are amazing. They could have had Manny Ramirez and instead they tried to shake down their former owner for more money.

    And you wonder why those of us who live down here can’t stand their ownership group and hope they never get a stadium.

    Night all, tomorrow is another day.

  1050. ANGELS FAN July 31st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    hahahaha yankees stink nice move by pudge and haha giambi stinks 2 YANKEES STINK

  1051. Neil July 31st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    And Giambi drops the throw…at least everyone came to play tonight

  1052. ZMAN7777 July 31st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    I’m new to posting here, but I enjoy reading the commentary. I’m serious when I ask if folks really think the Yanks have enough pitching to make a serious run.

  1053. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Giambi drops the ball on the pickoff, which they had him picked off on, too. All the little misplays add up, especially against good teams.

  1054. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    What’s also weighing on Andy’s mind is that he’s not getting good defense behind him. Giambi can’t even catch a ball. How are we going to be the first place Angels playing like that?

  1055. Meeter July 31st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    You can’t blame the 2b when the pitcher gives up 8 hits in 3 innings and 2 homers.

    Jeez.

  1056. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    It was pretty astounding how many people said some variety of “I love Cano” just a week ago. If he doesn’t resume hitting .400, we’ll be hearing cries to trade him.

    Since Alberto’s gone, I guess Cody Ransom will be the new Eagles Backup Quarterback.

  1057. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Thank God for Melky in center.

  1058. lil' m July 31st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Andy doesn’t have it tonight for sure. And now they’re booing Pudge after striking out in his first at-bat. Nice. And the Angels are always tough on the Yankees, and this year they’re playing like the ’98 Yankees.

  1059. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 31st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    How many of you knew thats its almost impossible to win 4 games in the series if you lose the first one….

  1060. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    You would think with Pettite and Pudge, the running game could be neutralized. OY!

  1061. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    “Angels come into Fenway and YS and take 7 games.”

    Which paper is running that headline? Because they’re going to get letters to begin with, never mind if we actually *gasp* win a game this weekend.

  1062. JoeT 28 in 09!! July 31st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Not Andy’s night butthe offense will score today – two doubs from the X-man

  1063. Rick July 31st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    The Yankees are who they are. They are not an elite team and we should accept that. But I love them anyway. Go Yankees!!!

  1064. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Anyone who booed Pudge deserves a steel-toed Doc Marten to the skull. Unless they were ready to give standing O’s to Molina’s every AB for the rest of the season, and then inevitably Moeller’s when Molina got hurt from playing everyday.

    Meanwhile this absolutely sucks. 4th inning of the 1st game and we’re getting destroyed already. Hopefully the Yankees can turn it around but this is certainly an ominous start.

  1065. El Guapo July 31st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    I was hoping I would stay home and enjoy a close, well fought game but instead we get this stinker. Well, I’m off to dinner and tomorrow will be another day…

  1066. Laura - Every game is a must win game! July 31st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    It’s only the 4th inning and this game feels like it’s been going on forever.

  1067. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    I think we can pull off a split. I still have faith in this offense, based on their recent play. But this game isn’t looking good.

  1068. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    “hahahaha yankees stink nice move by pudge and haha giambi stinks 2 YANKEES STINK”

    … Giambi?

    Does anyone have a clue on this one?

  1069. JoeT 28 in 09!! July 31st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    michelle – they were talking about winning 3 of 4

  1070. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    If the Yankees were playing as well as the Angels I certainly wouldn’t have time or the interest to go to the blog of the team they’re playing and gloat and generally give my fanbase a bad name.

    Then again I have a job and I’m adult, and I dont type in “textspeak” so I guess thats probably why I’m not even tempted to do that.

  1071. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    The offense will score today? What have they done tonight to make you think that? Why not let them actually… oh… SCORE before giving them a W? They’ve played like garbage, they have to start picking it up and fast or they’re going to get blown out tonight.

  1072. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    What’s also weighing on Andy’s mind is that he’s not getting good defense behind him.

    What should be weighing on Pettitte’s mind is that he needs to throw strikes and not worry about everything else.

    If he wants to add headcase to his resume, that is fine, but do it in the post season, not when you are a declining product overmatched by the other teams offense.

  1073. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Thank god for Melky in center? What centerfielder do you watch that does nto make that play? He made it look much more difficult than it was.

  1074. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Ron im with you bro. Possitive vibes will get us right back in the game.

  1075. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Need to call up another Bullpen arm by tomorrow, so that they won’t be over used this week.

    Jon Garland is a FA next year!

    Hope our older pitchers aren’t going through the “dead arm” phase at the same time.

    If we lose ten in a row, maybe we can still get some good prospects by putting up a lot of our players on waivers and see if they’re claimed.

    If Manny goes on waivers, and we have the chance to put in a claim, do we eat the remainder of his contract due him by the Red Sox?

  1076. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    You know that Andy has nothing when he’s generating so many flyball outs. He’s a groundball pitcher. Not as extreme as Wang, but he depends on keeping the ball down.

  1077. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Notice- every fastball away the Angels are CLOBBERING. CLOBBERING.

    Yet where does Pudge keep calling it? Away. Pettitte needs to throw cutters inside and jam them and keep them from driving it every at bat.

    Pudge has a reputation of being a guy who calls fastballs away to help himself throw out runners stealing. So far it looks like he’s living up to that.

  1078. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    You know, I know this is one of Andy’s worst starts all season, and it’s coming at an awful time, but that doesn’t mean you should be out on a ledge.

  1079. GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Michelle, that’s not what he said. He said it was hard to win a four game series after losing the first one. Nothing was said about it being hard to sweep a four game series after losing the first one.

  1080. nyyfaninlaaland July 31st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Fact is we’ve run into the 2 hottest offenses i n the Al back to back. Yes, I do include Baltimore there. They’ve been scoring like crazy lately, just giving up runs in bunches as well, so they haven’t been winning.

    The Angels were averaging well under 4 runs / game through June. Now averaging 6 per in July. Bumping into them at very much the wrong time. But I’ll hope for the best.

  1081. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    “What’s also weighing on Andy’s mind is that he’s not getting good defense behind him.”

    Generally that’s Mussina’s territory. Andy’s pretty good at picking up teammates. He puts so many guys on base anyway.

  1082. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    “Ron im with you bro. Possitive vibes will get us right back in the game.”

    It’d be nice if it worked that way. I can guarantee one thing: positive vibes will make posting on this blog a hell of a lot less irritating.

  1083. ZMAN7777 July 31st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Rick — I agree. That’s what makes it hard, though, because we’re so used to the Yanks making lemons out of lemonade. Personally, I think the Yanks have won in recent years despite Cashman’s poor decisions. I know he has some fans on here, but he’s basically overpaid for an aging lineup, and he doesn’t know a damn thing about pitching.

  1084. Jamester July 31st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    “Spoke with a MLB buddy of mine a little while ago. Get this about the Marlins…..”

    This guy’s buddy is Hanley Ramirez. People will say anything online.

  1085. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Confucius
    July 31st, 2008 at 8:21 pm
    “hahahaha yankees stink nice move by pudge and haha giambi stinks 2 YANKEES STINK”

    … Giambi?

    …

    Does anyone have a clue on this one?

    Yes, it is Stuey and Brian from the Family Guy doing a bit on this blog. Either that or George Bush just discovered one of the many “internets”

  1086. MJR (Shut Up Steve Phillips) July 31st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    wow…just went downstairs to get a cup of coffee. come back anit’s 6-0.

    Anyhoo…relax people. Bad game for Andy, and we’re not expecting to win every game just because we got Pudge right? :D

  1087. Stanny46 July 31st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    This is painful. What’s on Soapnet….the drama must be better than this?

    Is it really only the 4th?

  1088. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    “Notice- every fastball away the Angels are CLOBBERING. CLOBBERING.

    Yet where does Pudge keep calling it? Away. Pettitte needs to throw cutters inside and jam them and keep them from driving it every at bat.

    Pudge has a reputation of being a guy who calls fastballs away to help himself throw out runners stealing. So far it looks like he’s living up to that.”

    If Andy thought he was wrong, do you really think he’d give in to the newcomer?

    They are talking. That Andy’s still going away tells me that its his decision.

    Do you have a grudge against Pudge or something?

  1089. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Matt, really, all you are doing is showing how you don’t have the slightest idea what you are talking about.

    You do realize Andy is pretty much calling this game, don’t you? When a catcher works his first game with a pitcher, the pitcher is in charge.

    To blame Pudge for Andy having a bad night is ridiculous.

    I get the fact you are in a hissy fit because the Yankees are losing. However, it has nothing to do with tonight’s catcher. He’s not the guy throwing the ball.

  1090. Jamester July 31st, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Anyone that calls themselves the “president of the wilson betemit fan club” obviously is deranged.

    Was the Sexson presidency taken??

  1091. Pat M. July 31st, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Oh man, if this keeps up it’s going to be very long weekend out here in Orange County for me and every other NY Yankee fan……It’s been a tough 6 years for us Yankee faithful…..

  1092. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Losing tonight does make it nearly impossible to win the series. It is like a 3 game sweep. Not easy to 3 game sweep the Angels.

  1093. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Yankees had a big comeback in them the other night. I hope it doesn’t take as long for them to get on the board tonight.

    Clue to Michael Kay: GARLAND IS PITCHING A NO HITTER!

  1094. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Come on Yanks.

    A hit.

    One. Measly. stupid. hit.

  1095. ZMAN7777 July 31st, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    I’m in the Bay Area. At least the comparisons are much easier up here.

  1096. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Has Garland thrown more than 10 pitches in an inning?

  1097. E-Dog July 31st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    You realize Andy can’t have a bad game, right?

    Not with Ponson and Rasner pitching.

    Cashman F’d up big not going after Harden.

  1098. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    “Anyone that calls themselves the “president of the wilson betemit fan club” obviously is deranged.

    Was the Sexson presidency taken??”

    Anyone who takes such a moniker seriously enough to attempt to make fun of it is obviously an idiot.

  1099. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Lets get 3 runs and go from there

  1100. Whiff (Cano's bat) July 31st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Ever think that as bad as the Angels are in the Yankees head, they could spot the Yankees 10 runs and the Yankees would still lose.

  1101. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Garland- .285 BAA, 4.30 ERA or so coming into tonight.

    You can’t win if you score zero. As bad as pettitte has been, this is, yet again, all about the offense. If they scored just 2 or 3 and made this closer they would still be very much in it.

  1102. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    anybody need any more evidence that what the yankees needed most was a pitcher?

    but hey, at least they filled that aging-former-superstar-in-his-walk-year void. oh, wait.

  1103. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    “Either that or George Bush just discovered one of the many “internets””

    Nah, Bush at least understands how to use punctuation. Though … I don’t know how much trouble he has locating the right keys on a keyboard.

  1104. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Last i heard the pitcher can shake off the catcher or call time out. The 6 runs are all on Pettitte. He’s throwing batting practice.

  1105. ZMAN7777 July 31st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Kasey — that’s Cashman’s specialty

  1106. KL July 31st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Great way to start off the weekend series. A nice blowout.

    Good thing Cashman held onto Cabrera and Kennedy.

  1107. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Make a run for Harden???? If you don’t make the Santana deal, how do you make the Harden deal? And he is injury prone and a bullpen killer due to innings limits.

  1108. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    There we go :)

  1109. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    “Cashman F’d up big not going after Harden.”

    I’m also a Cubs fan, and I’m counting the days until the first time he leaves a game with shoulder tightness.

    Well, there’s one back.

  1110. Dan Giese's Uncle July 31st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    BOBBY

  1111. SJ44 July 31st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    6-0 down and its on the offense? Matt, I didn’t think you could top yourself yet, you have! lol

    I guess pitching with a 6 run lead doesn’t make Garland relax a bit and be able to attack the zone more.

    Too funny.

  1112. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    “anybody need any more evidence that what the yankees needed most was a pitcher?”

    You said it. We’ll never survive the stretch run running out Andy Pettitte every five games.

  1113. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Haha that’s funny- they were actually about to time Garland and call an automatic ball on him.

    Nice power by Abreu. That pitch was very in on his hands and he got jammed and still hit it out. He has more power than people give him credit, but hitting 3rd he usually just try to get on base for A-Rod.

  1114. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Someone came to play baseball today!

    Too bad the bases weren’t loaded

  1115. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    5 more to go!!! Good vibes!!

  1116. bill brasky July 31st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    A hit, a very palpable hit.

    (bonus if you know the quote)

  1117. rconn23 July 31st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    The offense, as has been the case from the start of the season, is simply not good enough. It is feast or famine. Dominated by another middling pitcher.

    By whatever means, it has to be retooled in the offseason.

  1118. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Abreu is really hot since the All Star break

  1119. mel July 31st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Boy, Bobby’s hot.

    No hitter gone. Yankees on the board.

  1120. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    “Kasey — that’s Cashman’s specialty”

    Yes. Because Kyle Farnsworth was going to be a major piece of the deal for CC Sabathia.

    You guys are just clueless.

    Hey, two hits in a row!

  1121. Pat M. July 31st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Three hard hits ropes

  1122. PJH July 31st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    hamlet

  1123. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    The journey of a million miles begins with a single step.

    You’re welcome for the jinx by the way.

    :)

  1124. ZMAN7777 July 31st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    We can hit the Angels, but can Ponson or Rasner hold them to 3 or 4 runs over 6 innings?

  1125. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    “A hit, a very palpable hit.”

    You have to come up with something more obscure than Hamlet if you’re going to be giving out bonuses.

  1126. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    6- ZERO. Yes, that’s about the offense.

    You can’t win if you can’t score. You lose if you score zero whether you gave up 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, OR 6 runs. They can’t expect to beat good offensive teams scoring 2 or 3 runs regardless of who’s on the mound.

    Like I said, Pettitte HAS been bad, but you can’t expect him to throw a shutout, he’s not overpowering anymore and the Angels are a good hitting team. He made 2 mistakes, 1 which never would have happened if not for Cano missing Anderson’s ball, and take that out and at 3-1 this is still very much a game.

  1127. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    5 more runs please

  1128. Vince Black July 31st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    hamlet

  1129. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, (Santana's not here, he's not coming!!!!) July 31st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    A blast and a hard hit double by A-Rod. Now they are beginning to show signs of life. One swing of the bat from Giambi can get them right back in it.

  1130. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Why don’t you all stop fighting and trying to one up each other and let us enjoy the damned game!

  1131. YankeeJosh July 31st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    SJ,

    Kay said on tonight’s broadcast that Andy doesn’t like to think much on the mound and likes his catchers to just put down signs and throw the ball. The inference being that the lack of comfort with Pudge was keeping Pettitte from getting in a groove. Not saying it’s Pudge’s fault per se, but that the problems they seem to be having communicating weren’t helping.

    You disagree with this?

  1132. bill brasky July 31st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    I figured we needed some easy ones to lighten the mood.

  1133. AlbanyYankee July 31st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Saturday is now the only game that the Yankees have a puncher’s chance of winning. That is really depressing.

  1134. Yanni July 31st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    “Make a run for Harden???? If you don’t make the Santana deal, how do you make the Harden deal? And he is injury prone and a bullpen killer due to innings limits.”

    Maybe we should have made the Santana deal. Especially if we are going to give Sabathia 150 mill. Kennedy stinks. Hughes is always hurt. And don’t get me started about Melky.

  1135. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    A horse. My kingdom for a horse!

  1136. ZMAN7777 July 31st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Giambi now 0 for 14 in his career against Garland.

  1137. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Matt: Six nothing is not two nothing.

    Big difference.

  1138. Ray Boston July 31st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Who you people gonna cry about and blame now that Farnsworth is gone?

  1139. michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It's Its July 31st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    where is everyone’s sense of humor on this board…people are gonna jump off buildings around here……

  1140. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    confucious,

    the problem isn’t pettitte. the problem is that, with ponson and rasner in the rotation, they can’t afford for pettitte, moose and joba to have these types of games.

    i thought that was pretty clear, but i guess i should have been more detailed so you could pick up on it.

  1141. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Come on Robby!

  1142. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Wow, they just showed Guerrerro throwing one from foul territory next to 3rd base at the stadium into the area between the RCF bleachers and the fence on a line. Google Earth says that’s about 360 feet.

  1143. Stanny46 July 31st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    YankeeJosh, I agree! They can’t have meetings after every freaking pitch!

  1144. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Ray are you kidding me? Put the Yankee players in alpha order and pick one. I guarantee you’ll hit it. Or if the Yankee players are having a great game they’ll crap on Meachem.

  1145. Pat M. July 31st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    SJ…During your vacation you’ll notice that the collective IQ’S dipped dramatically…

  1146. V July 31st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Rasner is a solid pitcher but he is no John Lackey. We had to win tonight. Another loss does not help our run. Especially at home.

  1147. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    I really don’t see Sabathia wanting to play on the East Coast

  1148. Stanny46 July 31st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Giambi is making my head hurt.

  1149. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Girardi should complain about how slowly Garland is working. The umps apparently told him to speed it up immediately before the Abreu/Alex hits and it obviously rattled him a bit. But he’s still working slow, and there is a rule about that now. Umps may call a balk on him if Girardi complains.

  1150. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    “the problem isn’t pettitte. the problem is that, with ponson and rasner in the rotation, they can’t afford for pettitte, moose and joba to have these types of games.

    i thought that was pretty clear, but i guess i should have been more detailed so you could pick up on it.”

    Mm. No.

    Pettitte giving up 6 over 3 is no better if you have Jarrod Washburn pitching instead of Darrel Rasner. By your logic, any loss that has nothing to do with Rasner or Ponson is ‘evidence that we needed a starter.’ If Rivera blows a game, that proves that we needed to trade for Washburn?

    No. Doesn’t work.

  1151. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Well, one run is better than none.

    Hold the Angels here, we may yet have a chance.

  1152. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Great O’Neill story about Rob Dibble…can O’Neill do every game?

  1153. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    “The offense, as has been the case from the start of the season, is simply not good enough. It is feast or famine. Dominated by another middling pitcher.

    By whatever means, it has to be retooled in the offseason.”

    Well, Giambi and Abreu are free agents. I have no doubt that Cashman will explore other options. Jorge Posada ought to be healthy for next season, in part because we acquired an aging, former All-Star catcher in his walk year.

    Well, they looked better that inning. Unfortunately Pettitte’s poor pitching has them in a hell of a hole.

  1154. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    My only hope is that our pitchers dont go through a dead arm stage in August. We cant afford to have big defecits to comeback from.

  1155. Dan Giese's Uncle July 31st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Now catching for the Yankees…JOSE MOLINA

  1156. Yankees in '09, not '08 July 31st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    I am confused by the fanbase here. First, they are all excited and giddy about getting Pudge, then you are all whining because Pudge is not giving the correct signals, thus making Pettite lose his groove.
    People, fact is that the Yankees have a middling, mediocre offense and aging, unpredictable pitching. This is a team in transition that will get good in ’09 and will be a contender but not this year

  1157. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Cano had a good at bat, but again, Giambi killed us in the big spot barely driving it with a 2-1 count with a runner at 2nd and one out. Giambi needs to be dropped in the lineup. Cano needs to be hitting 5th and possibly Nady 6th to split up him and Giambi. Giambi is also hitting .200 with RISP. A #5 hitter hitting .225 this month and .200 with RISP is killing us at the plate.

  1158. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    just because hughes won’t live up to his potential and kennedy won’t be a decent ML pitcher doesn’t mean cashman should have pulled the trigger on santana. no way to know how he would have panned out in pinstripes, and you can already see signs of decline. i think hughes will be mediocre at best and kennedy won’t be even that, but i can’t kill cashman for not doing that deal. i can and will kill him for igawa, pavano, hawkins, ponson, etc.

    the pudge deal is a good deal, but i believe it to be unnecessary. what the yankees needed was a starting pitcher to solidify the back end of the rotation so that when pettitte, mussina or joba has an off game (and all of matt’s insanity aside, this game is on andy) it doesn’t automatically equate to a lost series.

  1159. sunny615 July 31st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    good ol’ .200 with RISP giambino strikes again.

  1160. ZMAN7777 July 31st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Bingo, Kasey, right on.

  1161. bill brasky July 31st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    By the pricking of my thumbs, an out with R.I.S.P. this way comes :(

    (i even kept the iambic rhythm)

  1162. Dan Giese's Uncle July 31st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Pudge is good obviously for the yankees… but Molina is the man for getting pitchers in the groove.

  1163. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    “Pettitte giving up 6 over 3 is no better if you have Jarrod Washburn pitching instead of Darrel Rasner. By your logic, any loss that has nothing to do with Rasner or Ponson is ‘evidence that we needed a starter.’ If Rivera blows a game, that proves that we needed to trade for Washburn?”

    washburn gives you a better chance to win than ponson or rasner, right?

    thus, pettitte’s awful performance now means the yankees are even less likely to win or split this series. washburn’s presence would raise their likelihood of winning the game he pitches, right? can we agree on that? thus raising the yankees likelihood of winning or splitting the series, right?

    you’re missing my point completely. but at least you’re being a prick about it.

  1164. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Why were people so infatuated with voting Giambi to the All Star team? Just because he is a Yankee? He wasn’t that good at the break, and he has been awful in scoring situations lately.

  1165. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    kasey, you have to realize that the igawa, pavano, hawkins, ponson, etc. deals carry virtually no risk for the yankees, we only risked money, which we have plenty of.

  1166. TGFizeek July 31st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    To have the Yankees in position to go to the playoffs with this pitching staff is a miracle. We’re talking about Mike Mussina and Andy Pettite as our aces.
    The Yankees have been rebuilding for years now through the farm. How would you Cash haters suggest he bolster the rotation? Through FA? Barry Zito? Kyle Loshe? Through trades? Who was available?
    The pieces come together in ’09. CC, Wang and Joba, then you can fill in the back 2 with whoever.
    Pete put it best, ’08 is more about ’09. We’ve been masking bad pitching with great offense, but not for long.

  1167. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    “just because hughes won’t live up to his potential and kennedy won’t be a decent ML pitcher doesn’t mean cashman should have pulled the trigger on santana. no way to know how he would have panned out in pinstripes, and you can already see signs of decline. i think hughes will be mediocre at best and kennedy won’t be even that, but i can’t kill cashman for not doing that deal. i can and will kill him for igawa, pavano, hawkins, ponson, etc.”

    Holy Jumping to Unwarranted Conclusions, Batman!

  1168. Red Sox Fan July 31st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Hey everyone, just got home and checked the score of your game. Angels suck don’t they? What they did in most of the Sox games was have one BIG inning and score 3+ runs, and not really hit for the other 8 innings. Meanwhile, they dominate their opponent with their pitching. It seems to work very well for them unfortunately.

    Just wanted to put something out there about Manny and team chemistry. I read a report that a poll was taken by the entire team and asked if Manny should stay in Boston. Out of 25 guys, ONE player said yes. I don’t know how accurate this report is, but that is just sad. I didn’t realize it was that bad in the clubhouse.

  1169. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Pettitte’s looked like a completely different pitcher pounding the righties in again and mixing in the slow curve. Is it obvious yet that Pudge and Pettitte were very out of sync working together for the first time and that it hurt them early?

  1170. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    It’s still the fifth inning.

    The game is not over yet.

  1171. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    “Now catching for the Yankees…JOSE MOLINA”

    Jose is not catching until Saturday for Mussina

  1172. TGFizeek July 31st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Let’s see what the new guys can do this inning

  1173. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    I’m the most cynical Yankee fan there is, but even I can’t believe the criticism of Pudge’s game-calling. The dude has to learn an entire new pitching staff and he got into Yankee Stadium at 11am. In essence, Pettite, then, should be calling his own game, and he probably is…and if he is, then HE is the one who has been absolutely atrocious.

  1174. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    The Mariners were asking for two top prospects, not just from the Yankees, but from the Rockies AND for salary relief. Jarrod Washburn and his awful contract are not worth one, let alone two, elite prospects is this or any other universe.

  1175. Yankees in '09, not '08 July 31st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    TGFizeek,

    Very well put. Pettite and Mussina are there to bridge the young generation coming up. They are over the hill and will get into their usual “dead arm” jig by mid august. They are not here to get the Yankees another championship!

  1176. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Why do so many think CC is going to be a Yankee in ’09? He likes the West Coast. Plus it will haunt the Yankees when is out of shape body falls apart.

  1177. ZMAN7777 July 31st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    It’s not easy, but I’ll tip my hat to the Angels and admit that they’re the better team right now. However, it’s a damn shame that the Yankees don’t have a single position player under 30 around which to build a team. And they have but one starter — in Joba — who provides any excitement for the future.

  1178. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Let’s go Pudge

  1179. GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Yanks in ’09, that’s because there are about 10 idiot trolls on here. Official, green, slim covered trolls.

  1180. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    CC may have a huge frame, but he’s definitely not out of shape. He’s been one of the most durable pitchers in baseball and thrown 200+ innings for many years in a row with only minor injuries here or there, which is normal. Granted, I don’t think he will play for the east coast teams after his recent comments, but a young, hard throwing, successful in the AL lefty is definitely a solid pick up for any team who only needs to give up a first round pick and cash.

  1181. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    It wouldn’t surprise me if niether CC or Texiera were Yankees next year.

    That doesn’t mean I’m writing off the Yankees this seaso, or next.

  1182. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    “Is it obvious yet that Pudge and Pettitte were very out of sync working together for the first time and that it hurt them early?”

    It’s obvious to me. In fact I would have been surprised if it didn’t happen, though I wish it hadn’t happened to the extent it did!

    I would think that eventually he will be able to handle our pitchers, though it appears Molina is superior in terms of throwing runners out.

  1183. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    also, this ’08 is about ’09 stuff is bs. in case you missed it, we just picked up nady, marte, and pudge to go for it in ’08. Cashman has explicitly said that we are going for it this year. the only thing is we aren’t doing it at the risk of our future.

    Also, to people who are acting like our season is doomed, if we lose tonight, we will be 1.5 games out of the wc with 54 games left, which hardly puts us out of it, especially when you consider we have improved relative to our competition through trades and likely will continue to through future trades and internal moves. it’s possible we don’t make the playoffs but we are very much still in the race.

  1184. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    …Way to waste a lead off walk.

  1185. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Screw my previous statement…PUDGE STINKS….jk

  1186. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    At least Pudge hustled and almost beat that out, but still a horrible at bat down 5 runs after a leadoff walk.

  1187. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    so far sexson is the only guy they traded for that has shown us a hit in his first game

  1188. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Anybody who’s planning to complain about Pudge’s impatience at the plate, can just shut up. He’s been doing it his whole career, and so far, it’s worked out.

    Although with that triple, it hurts a bit more.

  1189. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    How big are these crushing GIDP’s after hits like that?

    This is why I say Jeter hurts us more than stats can show with his double plays.

  1190. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! July 31st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    wow, Melky could had scored some runs if it wasnt for the double play.

  1191. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    That sucked

  1192. sunny615 July 31st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    maybe we should have given seattle melky for washburn

  1193. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    …Two triples in a row?

    I can live with this.

  1194. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Bad play by Vlad…

  1195. geO [Murderer's Row and Cano] July 31st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    wow should be 6-4 rite now

  1196. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Wow that double play turned this from a 3 or 4 run inning to a 1 or 2 run inning. Too bad.

  1197. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    “thus, pettitte’s awful performance now means the yankees are even less likely to win or split this series. washburn’s presence would raise their likelihood of winning the game he pitches, right? can we agree on that? thus raising the yankees likelihood of winning or splitting the series, right?”

    Yes, Pettitte pitching poorly decreases our chances of winning the series. We both agree, thankfully, that a loss decreases our chances of a winning record over a select number of games. Glad we worked that out.

    And Washburn pitching tomorrow and pitching well would likewise increase our chances of a positive record. This really seems easy.

    So again, what the hell does one have to do with the other? How does Pettitte — who is pitching this game no matter what — pitching badly constitute evidence that we needed Washburn? If anything … Rasner or Ponson pitching poorly constitutes evidence of that.

    “you’re missing my point completely. but at least you’re being a prick about it.”

    Yeah, because ‘i should have been more detailed so you could pick up on it’ was just being so warm and friendly.

  1198. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    What is almost as important to me as making the playoffs is seeing Ian Kennedy and Phillip Hughes prove they belong in the major leagues. I want them ready to be reliable contributors next season.

  1199. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    ZMAN7777\, I’m guessing that you’re not a Yankee fan but I could be wrong. But in any event, I think you’re probably wrong about the future and Yankee pitchers.

    Incidentally, those are my Yankees out there, hustling and making things happen. I’m sure you have to be impressed.

  1200. S.o.S.27 July 31st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    4 more!! Keep the vibes coming.

  1201. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Oh yay! ANother run thingie!

  1202. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Whne was the last time the Yankees had back to back triples? As NY Highlanders?

  1203. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    I won’t slam Pudge…he’s got to be nervous and anxious.

  1204. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Love that this is happening with 2 outs.

    Well at least DJ can’t hit into a DP with 2 out, even if there were a runner on first!

    :)

  1205. geO [Murderer's Row and Cano] July 31st, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    I hope Pudge is talking with Pettitte on the bench

  1206. Michael T July 31st, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    My insightful analysis and first comment of the night:

    MAN I HATE DOUBLE PLAYS!!

  1207. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Well it wasn’t a triple, but when was the last time?

  1208. Neil July 31st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    Pudge hit into a DP, who cares, it’s not like the rest of these guys have never hit into a DP before.

  1209. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    They weren’t quite giving up this year, look at all the trades they made. They were hoping to transition while winning, and Hughes, Wang, and Kennedy all went down or didn’t pitch well for stretches. That sets their plan back at least a year with the young pitchers. They were hoping that Hughes and Kennedy could break in this year and they could be really good for 2 or 3 more years before Jeter and A-Rod and co get old.

  1210. Vince Black July 31st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    ouch

  1211. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    DJ…just not clutch any longer.

  1212. ZMAN7777 July 31st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    You couldn’t be more wrong, Trish. I’m a fan since ’72. I live and die with the Yanks. I just get frustrated when they are mishandled, as I’m sure we all do.

  1213. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Well, they aren’t out of it yet. But that was a frustrating inning.

  1214. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Keep the Angels here, keep chipping away at runs, don’t GIDP (attn Jeter and Pudge)

    We’re within four–we can still tie it on one swing.

    It’s not over yet.

  1215. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Well Pudge’s DP killed their potential huge comeback. If that’s a strikeout instead of a DP we score at least 2 that inning, possibly more.

  1216. Eric July 31st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    captain clutch

  1217. ANGELS FAN July 31st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha they stink

  1218. CaptainsCorner July 31st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    This game is the exact reason why Cashmans 3 moves mean absolutely nothing. This team NEEDED a starting pitcher the most and he fixed every other move except that one. I don’t know who was available but Cashman had to get a pitcher. Mussina and Pettitte have been pitching WAY over there heads everyone knew that it was too good to be true and it wouldnt last. They both imploded there last 2 starts. Now they have Rasner and Ponson going in this series..So 2 more loses. When you dont have pitching getting an outfielder and reliever means nothing. Cashman should of just gave the Mariners a decent prospect instead of playing chicken.

  1219. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    damn, jeter’s losing it…i’m sad to see it

  1220. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Really frustrating with the DP, but any catcher is going to hit into them.

  1221. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    “They weren’t quite giving up this year, look at all the trades they made. They were hoping to transition while winning, and Hughes, Wang, and Kennedy all went down or didn’t pitch well for stretches. That sets their plan back at least a year with the young pitchers. They were hoping that Hughes and Kennedy could break in this year and they could be really good for 2 or 3 more years before Jeter and A-Rod and co get old.”

    Jeter’s already old. A-Rod has the skill set to age much, much better than Jeter. And there will be new bats in 2-3 years. AJax at the very least. Maybe Montero will be ready. And there will be free agent signings and trades.

  1222. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Well, this game isn’t over yet.
    Hopefully we can hold them to 6 and then get back to work

  1223. ZMAN7777 July 31st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    With Pettitte, it seems that when he has bad outings, it’s often one brutal inning. Then he usually rights the ship, although the damage has been done.

  1224. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Does anyone know HOW Pettite is pitching so much better now?

  1225. ANGELS FAN July 31st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    YANKEES STINK victor zambrano hahahhaahhahaha 6-2 GAME OVER LETS GO ANGELS 2008 W.S CHAMPS!

  1226. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    “This game is the exact reason why Cashmans 3 moves mean absolutely nothing. This team NEEDED a starting pitcher the most and he fixed every other move except that one. I don’t know who was available but Cashman had to get a pitcher. Mussina and Pettitte have been pitching WAY over there heads everyone knew that it was too good to be true and it wouldnt last. They both imploded there last 2 starts. Now they have Rasner and Ponson going in this series..So 2 more loses. When you dont have pitching getting an outfielder and reliever means nothing. Cashman should of just gave the Mariners a decent prospect instead of playing chicken.”

    Uh huh. Riiiiiiight.

  1227. Mark (Brett back to SWB) July 31st, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Anyone see what George Kontos did tonight?

    8ip 1 hit 0er 1 walk 13k’s

  1228. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Jeff Mathis…MONSTER

  1229. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Maybe it’s the Angels.

    I saw Pettitte pitch against the Angels last July. Final score of that game? 14-9.

  1230. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Jeff Mathis? Seriously?

  1231. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    “Anyone see what George Kontos did tonight?

    8ip 1 hit 0er 1 walk 13k’s”

    If he’s healthy, that’s quite a miss by the Bucs.

  1232. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Yeah…I don’t know if Cashman dealing for Jarrod Washburn would have changed the way Pettite pitched tonight.

  1233. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    “Mussina and Pettitte have been pitching WAY over there heads everyone knew that it was too good to be true and it wouldnt last. They both imploded there last 2 starts. Now they have Rasner and Ponson going in this series..So 2 more loses.”

    And if they both pitch better than Pettitte did and we win the games, you’ll look like an idiot. Not getting a starter has -no- bearing on what happens in this game. And -no one- was available who’s better than Pettitte.

    Pettitte pitched poorly. It happens sometimes. It doesn’t stamp the report card of our trade deadline moves.

  1234. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    GREAT BRITTON!

  1235. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    come on Andy!

  1236. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    captains corner shrewd remark.. yeah they need astarting pitching but not to replace Petttitte.. I love how stupid the comments are and how people think they Yanks are suppose to go 162 and zero..

    be made when they lose to loser teams as SJ said like game 2 against the Orioles those games kill you…

    there back of the rotation does stink but if they had the offense of last yr. it does not matter because they would bash to wins often..

    andy needs to hold them here, now I ge the pen up.. 4 runs is doubtful but doable…

  1237. YankeesTech July 31st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Whine when Ponson or rasner are giving up runs but please reserve those whines when andy or JOba or Mussina are pitching.

  1238. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Earl Weaver said to one of his players,”I’f you’re up there with a man on first base, and you think you’re gonna hit into a double play,…. strike out.” Makes sense!!!!!

  1239. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Oh dang it

  1240. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    classic.. double to the 9th guy and deflection…

    speed something the yanks cannot spell kills….

  1241. Global Warming July 31st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    I bleeping hate the Angels.

  1242. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Well that’s probably it for us. We had a chance last inning to really chip away and didn’t, and BAM a tack on run. That’s what good teams do to you, they don’t stop stepping on your throat and take advantage of momentum swings when you fail to come through in the clutch.

  1243. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Wow. It’s like the Twilight Zone out there. We’re losing the game of inches, very badly.

  1244. ANGELS FAN July 31st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    make that 7-2!!!!!!!!! YANKEES SUCK

  1245. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    classic.. double to the 9th guy and deflection…

    speed something the yanks cannot spell kills….

    take Pettitte out now…..

  1246. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    What a lousy debut. I almost feel sorry for Pudge. It can’t get much worse than this.

  1247. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Chone Figgins is a Hall of Famer…only against the Yankees.

  1248. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    “I bleeping hate the Angels.”

    I wish we could send the entire Angels roster to Japan.

  1249. Red Sox Fan July 31st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Wow since I guess I’m considered a troll, I feel free to respond the Angel troll. SHUT UP. I’m on here to read intelligent thoughts on baseball. How many WS Rings does your team have? How many times have the Sox swept them in the post-season over the last few times?

    You can have the best record in baseball and not win the WS. Once you get to the post-season, records don’t matter. A team from the NL West could end up WS champ.

  1250. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    “make that 7-2!!!!!!!!! YANKEES SUCK”

    I am unimpressed by your trolling. You can do better.

  1251. Pat M. July 31st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Listen guys, If Jeter does in fact have a hand injury as being quietly whispered about, anyone who has played at any level understands how difficult it is to hit effectively on a continous basis….So rather than raggin on him, maybe you should back up a little….He’s still hitting in the .280′s…..

  1252. Paul July 31st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    While Cash is fixing the pen, catcher, right hand hitter he forgets about the most important part of a team.

    Starting pitching.

    It’s going to cost us a title.

  1253. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Not too much is going our way tonight.

  1254. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    The Angels got offensive players who do something that ours don’t other than A-Rod- hit good pitching. We can score 15 runs all we want against career minor leaguers, but unless you can beat the good pitchers, you’re going nowhere in the playoffs, and that’s what’s happened to us every year.

  1255. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT…RED SOX FAN VS. ANGELS FAN…no really, I hate the Angels. They always kill us.

  1256. Red Sox Fan July 31st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    *last few years.

    The Yankee dynasty is FAR greater than your team’s. If you say “Yanks suck,” at least have something to back it up.

  1257. J-Z July 31st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    That Pudge used to be good at least.

  1258. CaptainsCorner July 31st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Just amazing…The Angels can send out on the field a bunch of single A players but as long as they have that ugly uniform on they will beat the Yanks. It is disgusting already…

  1259. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    you realize nobody’s even paying attention to you and that you look like a complete dunce?

  1260. YankeeJosh July 31st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Stuart,

    It’s not that Andy Pettitte had a bad outing today. That stuff happens. But the Yankees are following up with Ponson tomorrow and Rasner on Sunday. With razor thin starting pitching, when the top of the rotation guys fail, it’s very easy for the team to fall into losing streaks. We’ve seen it a few times already this year.

  1261. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    “While Cash is fixing the pen, catcher, right hand hitter he forgets about the most important part of a team.

    Starting pitching.

    It’s going to cost us a title.”

    Hell, if Wang was healthy, Hughes was Joba-like, and Kennedy was solid, I wouldn’t make that kind of statement. There are other teams in the American League you know.

  1262. BBFan July 31st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Angels advance scouts must be great.
    They scouted Andy well.
    He is pitched pretty much the same way he pitched against Sox, low in the zone. The Sox could not lay off. But Halos are laying off those pitches and making Andy throw strikes.

    Still four innings left this game is not over. However, the Yanks have to score at least 2 runs next inning with Abrue, ARod, Giambi, Cano and Nady coming up.

  1263. bill brasky July 31st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Britton’s Gameday pic makes him look like The Blob.

  1264. J-Z July 31st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Why would a Red Sox fan be posting here?

    Get a life.

  1265. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    “I am unimpressed by your trolling. You can do better.”

    Big disagreement there. Trolls can do better. But I seriously doubt this particular one can.

  1266. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Until there’s a definite “injury” disclosed about Jeter, I’ll rag on him for not being as good as he used to be. I retain that right when I pay hundreds of dollars to see this team play.

  1267. Eric July 31st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    cool angels fan…how old are you?

  1268. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    I believe in Darrell Rasner!

    Who’s with me?!

  1269. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Paul are you competing for dumbest poster??

    If you are there is a lot of competition.. again moron they were getting a pitcher to replace Andy??????????

  1270. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    What’s funny about the Angels troll is that it is probably a teenager. I don’t know about you guys, but when I was a teenager I was out on a July night partying and getting laid. God save these kids today chained to their internets and xbox 360s!

  1271. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Wow, some Angel’s fans are inbred? I didn’t know that. Did you brag on Red Sox blogs when they humiliated your team every time in the postseason. Wow One WS championship. One game out of 10 and running at the mouth. What a tool.

  1272. Red Sox Fan July 31st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    NongEyeJon – The Angels have been killing everyone this year. I hate trolls in general (especially Sox trolls who just brag about 04 and 07 – makes other fans look stupid) so I always feel free to voice my thoughts on them.

  1273. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    meant to include

    ANGELS FAN
    July 31st, 2008 at 9:08 pm
    make that 7-2!!!!!!!!! YANKEES SUCK

  1274. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    the thinking, confucious, is that running washburn out there once every five days gives the team a better chance of winning than running rasner out does.

    your point is if rasner pitches well, or ponson does so, they’ve got a chance to win. well, obviously. the point is, washburn pitching well is more likely than ponson or rasner. which means the team is slightly less dependent on pettitte and mussina.

    we can all agree that rasner and ponson can’t be counted on, right? we can all agree that washburn is a better option than either?

    pettitte’s performance doesn’t equate directly to their needing a pitcher. it highlights the fact that now the team has to count on either rasner or ponson to pitch well in order to split the series. would you agree that washburn gives the team a better chance to win a game than rasner or ponson? would you then agree that if the back end of the rotation were a bit stronger, the front end of the rotation wouldn’t be in a near “must-win” position every time they took the mound?

    clearly we’re not going to agree, but let’s not act like it’s insane to think the yankees needed an arm at the deadline. if you’re comfortable with rasner and ponson, then good for you. i, personally, don’t see those guys pulling much weight over the next two months.

    the pudge deal was not a bad deal. it was a good deal. getting nady and marte was a VERY good deal. but neither addressed what the yankees needed most.

  1275. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    i don’t think cashman forgot about starting pitching, there were no options available he found sensible and i tend to think he is generally right about these things. i still think we pick up another pitcher at a sensible price before the season is over

  1276. Global Warming July 31st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    I’ve been watching the game on Gameday due to not being near a Tele but I’m wondering, how much of Pettittes bad game today can be attributed to Pudge Rodriguez? OR did Andy just not have good stuff today?

  1277. J-Z July 31st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    “Just amazing…The Angels can send out on the field a bunch of single A players but as long as they have that ugly uniform on they will beat the Yanks. It is disgusting already…”

    It’s called STARTING PITCHING. They always have it.

    We never do.

  1278. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Oh boy.

    You can say it now.

  1279. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Maybe that’s why Chris Britton is never here…Pete.

  1280. FIRE GIRARDI! HIRE WILLIE!!! July 31st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Wow. Chris Britton is amazing. Yeah, he totally belongs in the pen.

  1281. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    You know, there’s a reason they don’t call up Chris Britton that often.

  1282. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    you know people keep wondering why Britton is never up…Now you know.

  1283. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Game over. Good job Yankees. Put the Angels hats on any player and they turn into Yankees killers. We’re defeated before we even start against them.

  1284. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Chris Britton AGH!

    Where is Jarrod Washburn?! Damn you Cashman!

  1285. ANGELS FAN July 31st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    10-2 baby yesss YANKEES SUCK YANKEES SUCK YANKEES SUCK HAAHHAHAHAHAHA PUDGE AND PONSON AHAHAH

  1286. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Britton finally in a game and he gives up a 3-run HR. This is ugly.

  1287. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    I was thinking before they threw the pitch why throw inside to Vladdy????

    I live in LA so I have to listen to there telecast, it is painful..

    why throw inside ever to vladdy especially since he tries to hit everything out????I just don’t get it……

  1288. Aaron(wants to hang out with Brandon and Ed and watch a game, oh wait they dont they blog) July 31st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    hey there’s chris britton folks, glad u all were loving him earlier..

  1289. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    “It’s called STARTING PITCHING. They always have it.

    We never do.”

    Not really. But if bashing Cashman gives meaning to your life, more power to you.”

    I’M FEELIN’ THE PRIDE OF ARUBA!

    ARUUUUUUUUUUBAAAAAAA!!!!!

  1290. Red Sox Fan July 31st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    JZ – I just got home and wanted to read Yankee thoughts on the Manny trade (which took up a good portion of this thread). I scrolled through and saw the Angel troll’s comments. I hate stupid trolls.

    Don’t worry though, I’m leaving now.

  1291. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Oy

  1292. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    please. this is not fate intervening. pettitte’s been throwing batting practice and the offense has been dormant.

    let’s not act as if the angels were the only team to do this to the yankees this season. it’s hardly a shock.

  1293. Paul July 31st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    stuart make another millionaires comment about why they are playing bad.

    Brainless droob.

    It is starting pitching. Cashman not getting anything of quality has cost us this season. Not to mention his dumb faith in two rookies who couldn’t handle the pressure of NY.

  1294. CaptainsCorner July 31st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    “captains corner shrewd remark.. yeah they need astarting pitching but not to replace Petttitte.. I love how stupid the comments are and how people think they Yanks are suppose to go 162 and zero..”

    Ummm..where did I write that they needed a pitcher to REPLACE Pettitte??!! They needed a pitcher to ADD to that group obviously. Especially knowing that Pettitte and Mussina are not going to continue to be as good as they have been. It magnifies it even more when Mussina and Pettitte both lose there games because you don’t expect anything out of Pon and Ras.

  1295. pat July 31st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    That’s Britton’s monthly pitch allowance in the majors. Who comes up tomorrow for him?

  1296. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    So…anyone watching the Muy Thai version of “Contender” at 10pm?

  1297. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    you know, farnsworth coulda come in and gave up the homer…oh wait, they traded him for pudge, even they had Jose molina, the best CATCHER in Major league baseball

  1298. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    so confucious you are also in the dumbest poster contest also..

    please do not drive a car or vote or handle firearm..

  1299. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Britton’s stuff has just vanished. Even I’m losing faith in him at this point, and I believe in Wilson Betemit.

  1300. Roger Repoz July 31st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Another throw away game. Girardi leaves Petitte in too long. (should have not let him start the 6th) then brings in a guy who is a AAAA pitcher. I could see doing that if the score was 6-0 but the Yanks were showing life and it was still early. Girardi is a pessimist. With his new offense he should think he can always come back

  1301. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    10-2 baby yesss YANKEES SUCK YANKEES SUCK YANKEES SUCK HAAHHAHAHAHAHA PUDGE AND PONSON AHAHAH

    There is no way your an Angels fan. So how is life w/o Manny Red Sox fan ?

  1302. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    “Not to mention his dumb faith in two rookies who couldn’t handle the pressure of NY.”

    Paul for GM!

  1303. Aaron(wants to hang out with Brandon and Ed and watch a game, oh wait they dont they blog) July 31st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    it was ponson u idiot.. it was britton.. if ur gonna talk smack know what ure talking about.. and u were prly an angel fan last week..

  1304. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    And it’s all on 3-run HR’s too. And most of it is the result of predictable pitch patterns in which they’re just sitting on locations.

    Hunter- 2-0 fastball away where Pettitte had thrown every pitch in the game to righties.

    Rivera- Hung a cutter, but again, Cano’s error sets it up.

    Guerrerro- Tries to pound him inside with an 88 mph fastball when he knows it’s coming. Most hitters can hit 88 mph fastballs unless they’re very far in on their hands.

  1305. jeepers July 31st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    What a complete joke this team is. They have 1 good starter. 1. And he’s a 22 yr old rookie.

  1306. pat July 31st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Angel Trolls are so mild. Must be the Cali thing.

  1307. sdjohn July 31st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    And now we see another AAAA pitcher for the Yanks. Sweet. This Angels team reminds me of how the Yankees used to be assembled. All good hitter willing to give themselves up, play small ball, good defense, good starting pitching and great in the pen. OH those were the days. Now we have Sidney Ponson and Rasner as 2/5th’s of our starting rotation. OUCH! Hey but we just signed Eric Milton and Victor Zambrano!!!! UGH

  1308. MoBoy(aka McLovin) July 31st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Well glad we have 9 era Kennedy and Hughes coming up,and veterns Eric Milton and Zambrano and some guy named Alfredo.

    Oh and can’t wait for Bruney,doesn’t he have like 9 walks in 14 innings.

    Good thing we have them because watching this game I would have been worried.

  1309. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    “i don’t think cashman forgot about starting pitching, there were no options available he found sensible and i tend to think he is generally right about these things. i still think we pick up another pitcher at a sensible price before the season is over.”

    probably true. and i know the mariners were asking an insane amount for washburn because the mariners, by and large, do not understand the game of baseball, on the field or off.

    i’ve no doubt cashman looked for starting pitching. just as i’ve no doubt he actually believed phil hughes and ian kennedy would be major contributors this season. i think he leaned to heavily on the kids to start with and put himself behind the eight ball. it was an absolute fantasy to think that BOTH hughes and kennedy would be worthwhile major league pitchers this year. unfortunately, cashman bought into his own hype.

  1310. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    “Guerrerro- Tries to pound him inside with an 88 mph fastball when he knows it’s coming. Most hitters can hit 88 mph fastballs unless they’re very far in on their hands.”

    Um, Matty, not to discount your logic, but doesn’t this sort of demonstrate WHY he wasn’t throwing inside to begin with? He has NO command batter to batter. He’s giving up tons of flyballs. That alone tells me things are not going well.

  1311. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    yeah, I guess that’s that. F*&%.

  1312. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Well, as long as there are website hits, even from Angels trolls – its quantity not quality, lol.

  1313. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    We always thought it was their speed, their pitching, and whatever, but what it really is is their BRAIN. The Angels are a SMART baseball team. They play quality defense, always throw to the right base, never throw stupid pitch selection, and always know what’s coming at the plate based on pitchers’ previous patterns.

    Us on the other hand, we have guys like Melky, Cano, Giambi, etc, who are solid players but lack the baseball smarts that would take them to the next level and possibly elite status.

  1314. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    RogerRepoz,

    Part of the reason Girardi didn’t go to his bullpen earlier is because he knows he has Ponson and Rasner going in this series. He’s not going to burn his bullpen.

  1315. BBFan July 31st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    All Britton levers, including Pete:

    This is the reason why they do not bring him into games. Thoug he looks big, he is a soft thrower and very hittable. I am sure as soon as Bruney is ready, he will take the shttle to scranton.

  1316. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    “Chris Britton AGH!
    Where is Jarrod Washburn?! Damn you Cashman!”

    hilarious!

    maybe in stead of washburn, they can just bring igawa back up. or pavano.

    or wait until hughes and kennedy regain the dominant form they displayed earlier in the season.

    or get hawkins back and have him eat a few innings.

  1317. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    “but neither addressed what the yankees needed most.”

    You think the Yankees needed a starter. You’re upset that they didn’t. So the first losing situation that comes up, you quickly jump on ‘AHA! See? We needed a starter!’ Even though the situation had -nothing- to do with that point. You weren’t arguing that the team would have been better off with another starter. You were arguing that the results of -this- game proved it. They didn’t. They don’t. Pettitte -does- -not- -care- who is pitching after him in the rotation. He goes out there as if every game is a must-win game.

    You were eager to prove your point. This game didn’t help you do it in any way.

  1318. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Ron, are you even watching the game? Chris Britton gave up the home run. Pettitte dominated when he pitched inside, but that’s because he throws a cutter. Britton threw him a straight, 88 mph fastball inner half and obviously most hitters will tattoo that.

  1319. lil' m July 31st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Ouch . . . could see that coming. The difference is that unlike in the past, this year the Yankees haven’t had the offense to slug their way through these kind of games.

    Really missing Chien Ming Wang right now . . .

  1320. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    COMEBACK

  1321. Pat M. July 31st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    NongeyeJ

  1322. Paul July 31st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Ron:

    I’d actually get us some starting pitching. You know starting pitching right? That pesky thing that actually wins you titles. You remember starting pitching right???

    We should thank Cash for Ponson and Rasner and not getting Santana or Haren or Sabathia or Harden or even Washburn.

    I thought we had a deep farm system???

  1323. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    I still maintain that the injury to Wang was far more devastating to the Yankees playoff hopes than Hughes and Kennedy stinking it up. Wang was a proven 2, at the very least. You don’t just suck up the loss of your best pitcher.

  1324. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    “Angel Trolls are so mild. Must be the Cali thing.”

    Yeah, it stopped in between all those AHAHAH’S to smoke a doobie.

    I’m surprised there wasn’t a “like” anywhere in its trolling.

  1325. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    I have to say…how the tone of this blog has changed since this afternoon when Manny was traded and we weren’t thinking about what the Angels would do to us….it is funny.

  1326. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    weaksauce

  1327. bill brasky July 31st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    A question to anyone left. Lets say Pavano dominates the minor leagues. Do we give him a shot as 4th or 5th starter?

  1328. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    If you took all the AL players who have hit into the most double plays this year and put them on one team, their offensive production would still be better than ours.

    Here’s my allstar American League DP team with DP’s listed:
    1B-Justin Morneau 12
    2B-Robinson Cano 12
    SS-Derek Jeter 16
    3B-Miguel Cabrera 11
    DH-Vladimir Guerrero 19
    C-Joe Mauer 15
    OF-Alex Rios 15
    OF-Magglio Ordonez 15
    OF-Torii Hunter 12

    Think we’d score some runs with that offensive or would we be too busy striking out to keep from hitting into a double play??? LOL

  1329. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    Ron…I agree with you on the Wang point. Our season really was lost when he went down. Unfortunately, even if he does come back by September, we can’t expect him to be that sharp.

  1330. Kell July 31st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    You know just because people don’t agree with the majority viewpoint here and go against the grain doesn’t make them trolls.

  1331. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    “I thought we had a deep farm system???”

    Yes, because we started drafting well and stopped giving up good prospects for bottom of the rotation veterans the likes of Washburn.

    I know this won’t penetrate your thick skulls, but this was always about 2009. Cashman HOPED we could still win in the process of transitioning. But I won’t even begin to evaluate the success or failure of Cashman’s pitching master plan, let alone the Girardi era, until the end of next season. And even then, it’s just the start.

  1332. CaptainsCorner July 31st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    I am glad that Cano decided to go back to sleep. 1 of Cashmans worse moves was giving him that contract. Make him work for it!! That lazy bum…

  1333. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Just got home. Interesting game. 3 three run homers huh. I thought the Angels were one of those small ball grinding teams. Hey whatever works right? Well at least we got Ponson goin for us tomorrow. Could be a fun weekend!

    Im getting all my optimism and cheer out of my system now. Soon I will make myself some drinks and I will come back a scathing lunatic all salty and bitter.

    Talk to ya Later!

  1334. TurnTwo July 31st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    “You know, there’s a reason they don’t call up Chris Britton that often.”

    or when they do, he doesnt stay long.

    can anyone say colter bean?

  1335. pete July 31st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    we need edwar to pitch tonight before he has to be out for the suspension

  1336. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    “You know just because people don’t agree with the majority viewpoint here and go against the grain doesn’t make them trolls.”

    No, they are trolls because they are illogical, overly negative, and say stupid things.

  1337. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    The Yankees have 9 more games against this team. Unless they get their act together and stop playing scared, the Angels, the team that’s a lock for playoff contention with nothing left to play for, could be the team that knocks us out of the playoffs this year.

  1338. Terror for the Halos in Gotham ! July 31st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    yes…let’s just give up the entire season right now….man, what a bunch of whiners….good night, you fair weather fans…I can’t stand this crapola you insist on dishing out…

  1339. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Bill

    Yes if Pavano is tearing it up in AAA and is ready, we swallow our pride and bring him up. Then we send down Britton AGAIN!!

  1340. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    This teams just so fricken inconsistent, you know? they can score 12 runs one day and then 1 or 2 the next. how bout just scoring 8 every day.

    forget, for a moment, that the pitching sucked today.

    this guy has an ERA over 4. and all we can do is score 2? they need to get their act together, and fast

    meanwhile, cano can’t get a ball to save his life

  1341. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    I am glad that Cano decided to go back to sleep. 1 of Cashmans worse moves was giving him that contract. Make him work for it!! That lazy bum…”

    I have to give you credit. You sure are persistent in your short-sightedness.

  1342. sdjohn July 31st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    This was by FAR the best matchup we had in this series (Pettite Vs. Garland), and we got crushed. Santana Vs. Ponson? Rasner Vs. Lackey? Um, I think even a dumbass like Angels Fan may be able to predict the outcome of this series. Here’s to hoping I’m wrong though.

  1343. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    NongEyeJon ofcourse we were, how can we not think of what the best team in baseball would do to us, they walked into Fenway and slapped them around Ric Flair style. You always have to think of the Angels w/ that said we aren’t better than the Angels.

  1344. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    I understand the logic of saying that its about ’09…but who is really coming to help us in this “09″?

  1345. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Oh and good to have Britton back. Welcome back Britty!

  1346. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    So..

    Tomorrow Ponson vs. Santana

    Might have to hit the liquor store before the game. Gonna need lots of liquid happiness. :P

  1347. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Definitely Ric Flair style…..WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  1348. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Matt
    Now why would the Angels want to knock us out of the playoffs? Wouldn’t they want to face their arch rival PATSIES in the 1st round as a warm up to going ALL THE WAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!

  1349. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    I would call up Pavano. It is his walk year, he might have something to prove. If Ponson bombs again, why not? Can’t be worst. And if he sucks, well so does Ponson.

  1350. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    “You were eager to prove your point. This game didn’t help you do it in any way.”

    right on. i’ll save it for when rasner and ponson get shelled.

    or hughes.

    or kennedy.

    and, yeah, pettitte pitches every game like it’s a must-win. and NOBODY is harder on andy pettitte than andy pettitte! he’s a bulldog! this game, he will tell you, was “pathetic.” and “unacceptable.” or maybe he’ll even get really angry and say he was “garbage.”

    he picked a bad day to —- the bed. but the guy’s been great all year, as has mussina. so even if moose gets shelled, he gets a pass, too. they carried this team.

    anyway, you’re doing a poor job of trying to make my point for me, although the point you’re making is a valid one. pettitte’s performance today doesn’t equate directly to their needing another starting pitcher. if that’s how you interpreted my statement, i obviously wasn’t clear enough. no sense in going back and forth about it anymore.

  1351. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    You know, I might be a tad frightened if Brian Cashman was pessimistic enough to anticipate major injuries to (inhales deeply)…Jorge Posada, Chien-Ming Wang, Ian Kennedy, Phillip Hughes, Alex Rodriguez, Hideki Matsui, Johnny Damon, Wilson Betemit, and Brian Bruney.

    Hell, if I’d known all of those would be happening, I’d be stunned that the Yankees are 11 games over.

  1352. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    O’Neil said it well yet again. “Every hitter goes up there with a plan, and executes that plan.” (about the Angels)

    How many times does it look like our hitters go up there with absolutely no clue what to look for? They swing at everything, chase pitches out of the zone, and don’t have any sense of how to get runners in from 3rd with less than 2 outs, move runners up, or other situations.

    Like I said, they’re a SMART team, that knows what to do up there and isn’t wildly swinging away.

  1353. Roger Repoz July 31st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    noneeyejong,

    I understand that, but you cannot assume anything. You were still in this game, it was early. With those two going next this might be the best chance you have. They are in no position to give away games. They need to keep battling.

  1354. NongEyeJon July 31st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Hey look…Cano got to a ball

  1355. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    if pavano pitches well, why not bring him up? at this point, they’ve got to give anything a try to win games, right? the odds he both pitches well and stays healthy aren’t exactly good, though.

  1356. george July 31st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Yankee Trader, good point about the GIDP.

    after grousing about them myself i checked the stats. the AL teams that lead in GDPs are mostly good offenses:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....;type=exp2

    so DPs must not be as bad as i’d thought. when watching, they do kill one’s morale when they happen.

  1357. David Cone's Labrum July 31st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    The Kate Smith song needs to go.

  1358. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Carl Pavano doesn’t deserve to pitch in Trenton after the reward he’s given the Yankees for that contract. Being injury-prone is one thing, but being reckless, unmotivated, and a miserable human being is another entirely.

  1359. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Matt
    The Yankee hitter haven’t been a patient team with a plan since we lost the WS to Arizona. They swing for the fences!

  1360. Don Pratt July 31st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    How many times in this game have you wished Molina was behind the plate? Pudge must have jet lag. Molina knows Petitte better, Molina would have thrown out Texiera in that big inning before any damage was done. I hope we didn’t buy a broken down machine in a shiny box…

  1361. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    If I see one more damn Jeter Edge commercial….

  1362. Rally Point July 31st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Just in to see what’s going on with you guys and your reaction to Pudge/Angels series.

    How many of you are already having panic attacks about him and this series?

  1363. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    I’d bring up Pavano before he’s ready so he gets hurt again…man, Im spiteful

  1364. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    X-Factor my ass indeed.

  1365. Pat M. July 31st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    NongEyeJon……Your response about Jeter’s injury speaks volumns about you…..I wonder if I bought a six pack at the bar that sponsors your Sunday Beer League Softball team, that allows me to boo you right…..

  1366. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    we need to move Nady up in the lineup

  1367. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    “if that’s how you interpreted my statement, i obviously wasn’t clear enough.”

    I don’t know how else I could have interpreted ‘anybody need any more evidence that what the yankees needed most was a pitcher?’ If it isn’t what you meant, then yeah, definitely poor wording on your part.

    “right on. i’ll save it for when rasner and ponson get shelled.

    or hughes.

    or kennedy.”

    That would be a lot more sensible. Though you’re still going to have to wait a couple of months to get that whole picture. Even Ponson getting bombed tomorrow wouldn’t prove your point right on the spot, though it would make it look better.

  1368. Don Pratt July 31st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Nady sure knows how to hit when it doesn’t count.

  1369. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    The people who are booing Irod are front running morons. I’m just dumbfounded that someone can boo a catcher of all players on his first day with pitchers he’s never seen before. Have you watched baseball before? Go cry in detroit with Farnsworth. You don’t deserve to even watch this team.

  1370. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    The really sad thing is that we’re killing Garland. If Pettitte could have even kept it at 6 runs, we’d have a chance to win.

  1371. sdjohn July 31st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    David Cone, I agree. Awesome song, but AT LEAST get a different vesion going.

    I tell you another thing, if there was a AAAA level in baseball, the Yanks minor league AAAA team would kick ASS!!!!

    I think Chris Britton ate poor Edwar Ramirez before the game.

  1372. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Well Nady likes Death Valley. That’s a good sign. Most rightys shudder at the thought of playing here.

  1373. DFox July 31st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    The saddest thing about this game is if they got any sort of decent pitching performance they would have won. Meaning if they had Joba pitching. I guess at this point they only have one consistently very good pitcher, which is a little troubling.

  1374. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Pat M., I don’t drink beer…but thanks.

  1375. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    damn Pudge murdered that ball

  1376. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    George

    Actually my point was in the 9:25 post that an allster team of players that hit into the most double plays would beat our lineup almost every night, and that a strike out is better than a hitting into a double play.

  1377. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    time to get 7 more runs :P

  1378. Jorge Steinbrenner July 31st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    I’ve been slightly out of commission with a pinched nerve which is keeping me away from typing. I see I’ve missed absolutely nothing.

    Let me guess….someone probably blamed Pudge already, people are wondering why oh why our new acquisitions haven’t traveled into the future and brought the World Series trophy back with them and, somehow, this is either Melky or Rasner’s fault. or both.

    what i think: these Angels are pretty good. we’ve got our work cut out for us this weekend.

    enjoy!

    p.s. why the hell did we trade away the attorney general anyway?

  1379. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    It wasn’t Pettitte that allowed the game to be blown open, he had kept them at 7. It was the 3-run HR to Guerrerro that killed us. Girardi experimented in the biggest spot in the game where we could have kept ourselves in it and it cost us big time.

  1380. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    “Let me guess….someone probably blamed Pudge already, people are wondering why oh why our new acquisitions haven’t traveled into the future and brought the World Series trophy back with them and, somehow, this is either Melky or Rasner’s fault. or both.”

    Pretty damn close.

  1381. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    You know, every hit Nady has had as a Yankee has scored a run.

    I think that’s kind of cool.

  1382. pat July 31st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Brandon

    Feeling better about X?

  1383. joe July 31st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Darren Oliver vs NYY

    Career vs. NYY 21 12 7 3 1 0 0 79.1 85 44 40 10 38 48 4.54 1.55 .275

  1384. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    “It wasn’t Pettitte that allowed the game to be blown open, he had kept them at 7. It was the 3-run HR to Guerrerro that killed us. Girardi experimented in the biggest spot in the game where we could have kept ourselves in it and it cost us big time.”

    I mean, he could have brought in Giese. That might have worked.

    You don’t bring in good relievers trailing by five runs unless you are Torre and the reliever in question is named Scott Proctor.

  1385. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Jorge,

    You’re right about some Pudge bashing…apparently some thought he’d actually call the game in his first game as a Yankee catcher, with Andy Pettite pitching, which means he’s at fault. I don’t blame him for a thing. Pettite was awful….and how is Darren Oliver still in the league…and good?

  1386. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    knocking Pudge for Pettite and Britton tonight is just completely ridiculous. Pettite was awful. In other game swhen he was awful where was the blame for the catcher??? Cue crickets. And some have said Pettite is awful this year. That is also BS. He has had several great games. Just had a bad game against a hot team, not Pudge’s fault.

  1387. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    bunt the ball Melky you stink from the right side

    never mind..

  1388. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    This is why Nady needs to bat up with Cano and A-Rod. Giambi has done absolutely nothing at the plate and he’s sucking up huge at bats in the 5 hole with runners on base behind A-Rod and ususally not getting the job done.

  1389. sdjohn July 31st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Matt, you don’t blow your go to guys in the pen down 7-2 with Rasner and Ponson pitching 2 of the next 3. And I would have to say Pettite at least deserves a little of the blame giving up 2, 3 run HR’s. Get a clue.

  1390. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Brandon

    Feeling better about X?

    getting there not yet

  1391. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    You know it’s not your night when THAT happens.

  1392. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    HE WAS SAFE WTF WAS HE LOOKING AT !

  1393. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Pudge was clearly safe at the plate. Talk about umpires wanting to end the game. We get robbed again by horrible umpiring, what a joke.

  1394. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 31st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    HE WAS SAFE!

  1395. Mark (Brett back to SWB) July 31st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Wow brutal call.

  1396. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    “That would be a lot more sensible. Though you’re still going to have to wait a couple of months to get that whole picture. Even Ponson getting bombed tomorrow wouldn’t prove your point right on the spot, though it would make it look better.”

    well, hopefully they’ll be playing come october and the back of the rotation won’t be as much an issue.

    either way, this game’s a drag. but andy will certainly let himself know about it afterwards! give himself a real talking-to! he might even make himself cry!

  1397. Someone Else July 31st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Man… they can not get instant replay fast enough!!!

    I HATE THESE F-ING UMPIRES. BOOOOOOOOOOO!

  1398. pat July 31st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    “p.s. why the hell did we trade away the attorney general anyway?”

    Because the Attorney General belongs in Washington DC.

  1399. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    what a horrible call

  1400. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    That was a terrible call. Not even close!

    Umpire should be given errors, just like players.

  1401. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    What a garbage call! Not even close. Good baserunning from Pudge though. See I am finding positives.

  1402. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Why is there apparently no umpire recourse…like stoning or something for missed calls?

  1403. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Horrible call by the umpire. He’ll probably say he was wrong after the game when he sees the replay, but that won’t help.

  1404. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Replay my ***. How about Eye exams!!

  1405. Terror for the Halos in Gotham ! July 31st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going?????.
    .
    Seriously, sometimes the smart alec is over the top. Let’s lead the blog into bashing Pudge after he has been a New York Yankee less than 24 hours….I am so glad that players are very likely to have WAY better things to do than read mean spirited comments like that. IMHO, not cool.

  1406. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    The umpire single handedly destroyed our rally with a horrible call. The game is not over yet even down 7, what happens if we score that and then get a bunch of base hits and a home run? That call is beyond awful.

    Umpires should be fined for missing calls that obvious. Usually they’re out of position, but come on, he was RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE. IN POSITION. What a pathetic call.

  1407. Vince Black July 31st, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    okay I think all of baseball needs instant replay immediately
    that call was so bad that ump should go into retirement right after this game

  1408. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    WTH was that?!?!
    They need glasses

  1409. YankeeJosh July 31st, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    That’s about as bad a call as an umpire could make. He was clearly safe live, it wasn’t a bang-bang play, there’s no excuse for it. Just terrible, and killed any shot of a rally.

  1410. willis July 31st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going?????.
    .
    Seriously, sometimes the smart alec is over the top. Let’s lead the blog into bashing Pudge after he has been a New York Yankee less than 24 hours….I am so glad that players are very likely to have WAY better things to do than read mean spirited comments like that. IMHO, not cool.

    Kind of thought the same..

  1411. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    nice little inning the offense put together there. very impressive.

  1412. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Retirement…that is probably self-imposed…I’m calling for a FIRING…or a firing squad…or any form of inhumane torture.

  1413. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    p.s. why the hell did we trade away the attorney general anyway

    The kid we traded him for is a promising arm that can touch 95 mph projects to be a middle reliever.

  1414. Bad Scooter July 31st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Nady slugging over .700 as a Yank.

  1415. Don Pratt July 31st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Hey Pudge, stop acting like a September call-up trying to impress your coach and start playing fundamental baseball. Your down by 7 runs. Why are you taking a chance in that situation?

  1416. Someone Else July 31st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Wow. Wow. Wow. Just….. wow.

    I can’t believe that call. Umpire had the play RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM, Pudge TAGGED THE PLATE, WELL before he was tagged by the catcher, and called out??!!?!?!?!?!!!!!

    I am 100%, completely, totally, 100% (did I say that?) in favor of instant replay in baseball.

    That umpire should be suspended for a week.

    What a horrendous, idiotic, moronic, blatantly WRONG call!

  1417. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Captain Double Play strikes again

  1418. rconn23 July 31st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Oh well, at least Jeter can’t hit into a double play.

  1419. nathan July 31st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    This ump shud b replaced on the spot… its not even funny… if i find this umps name on the playoffs list this year.. that will b a disgrace… he shud b demoted to the minors

  1420. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Here’s a thought that hasn’t been brought up.

    Since our home record isn’t all that great, and the quality of minor league position players ready to play isn’t quite ready, heres a thought. Now think this one out!!

    Before it’s too late in the construction of the new ballpark, push the fences back and make it a pitcher’s park!!

    You ask why??

    It gives our young pitching staff a better chance at succeeding.

    Better yet it forces us to rely on a better outfield defensive team.

    Best of all it makes us go and get players who make contact, and don’t go up there swinging for the fences!!

  1421. James G July 31st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    You just want the umps to get the call right. Go into the dugout and look at it for 2 seconds and make the correct call. How fricken hard is that?!?!

  1422. Jacob July 31st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Whoever said sweep earlier is correct but it looks like an Angels sweep!

  1423. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    it is absolutely on the umps if the yankees lose this game.

    that call had the yankees in a 6-0 hole after three innings.

    furthermore, it put the yankees in a 10-2 hole.

    hell, that call may even be responsible for the home run rivera gave up tuesday.

    if it wasn’t for that call…

    man. now we’re all left to ponder what might have been.

  1424. rconn23 July 31st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Oh, I guess he can. I thought there were 2 outs.

  1425. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    that is what I hate about umps today.. what a joke he was safe by a foot…

    not inches but by a foot….. and the ump moron after the game will do there BS apology crap….

    JOKE>>>>>

  1426. Someone Else July 31st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    “Hey Pudge, stop acting like a September call-up trying to impress your coach and start playing fundamental baseball. Your down by 7 runs. Why are you taking a chance in that situation?”

    Um…. he was safe. By a mile.

    At this point, you do whatever you can to get the crowd into the game.

  1427. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Honestly…WHAT IS IT ABOUT CHONE FIGGINS against the Yankees? I don’t get it.

  1428. Terror for the Halos in Gotham ! July 31st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    it is a long season, on nights like tonight, you resign yourself, as a TRUE FAN, that the ballgame is not to be had. A line shot up the middle, could have taken the pitcher OUT and kept the inning alive, but instead that garbage ? and that GARBAGE call ? Tomorrow is another day…and even while we wait for Pontoon and RAZZ to find their way ANYWHERE else, ….this Yankees batting order is going to score some BIG RUNS…. :-) Good night ALL….C YA !

  1429. lil' m July 31st, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Wow that ump blew the call in a big way. They might need to expand instant replay include disputed safe or out calls at home plate. I wonder if they ever get called to account by their superiors when they blow a call.

  1430. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    “Hey Pudge, stop acting like a September call-up trying to impress your coach and start playing fundamental baseball. Your down by 7 runs. Why are you taking a chance in that situation?”

    Hey Don, he was about as safe as he could be without doing a fracking rain dance on home plate.

  1431. Fran July 31st, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Looks like Britton will get the innings tonight and save the rest of the bullpen

  1432. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Singleton is exactly right in saying how blown calls like that, made to speed up the game, entirely change the flow of the game, and the series.

    What if the Yankees put together a few more hits and all of a sudden the tying run is on deck, or in the hole? The Angels have to go to other pitchers, and then what happens if the same guy has to be called on tomorrow night in a 1 run game and gives up a hit since he was used the night before?

    10-4, runner on 1st, 1 out, Jeter, Abreu, A-Rod coming up. It’s not unreasonable to think they could have made this a lot closer if not for that BS call and at least forced the Angels to go to better relievers.

  1433. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Pudge is cool though. Doesn’t make a big scene. Just politely goes out and tells the ump he screwed him over. I kind of like Pudge.

  1434. Someone Else July 31st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    That was a ‘I hope Girardi gets ejected’ bad call.

  1435. sdjohn July 31st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    One of the worst calls I’ve ever seen? Yes. Does that change to outcome of this game whatsoever? NO. Everything we had doing just last week (good pitching, timely hitting, good defense) we now are in what George and Kramer would call, bizzaro world. The exact OPPOSITE.

  1436. Don Pratt July 31st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Hey Girardi, you see how Scoscia is managing? This is what we thought we were going to get when we ditched Torre. If we wanted a manager who was going to sit on his ass waiting for a 3 run hr we would have stuck with Station to Station Joe.

  1437. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    They gave up!

  1438. Someone Else July 31st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Game way over. That was just downright stupid.

    Pull them both for Christian and Betemit.

  1439. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    How about Abreu there…

  1440. Financial Advisor July 31st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Damn this site gets a lot of comments. Andy was terrible tonight!

  1441. DFox July 31st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    kasey, are you listening to the Yankee broadcast? Or to you put on YES and mute it so you can hear your own self-commentary?

    Ken Singelton was saying how one bad call like that can effect an entire series. That one run can cause them to bring in a different pitcher, extend the rally, make them use their bullpen more, make a pitcher unavailable for a game later on in the series, etc.

  1442. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    This is a bad bad bad game

  1443. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    I’m not a huge fan of team meetings.

    But Christ, this is just Bad News Bears right here.

  1444. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Another horrible defensive play by the lazy Yankees defense. Abreu has to catch that ball, and Cano has missed FOUR balls already today, which on Cano’s end, have cost us 3 runs and possibly more due to Pettitte’s pitch count being raised because of them.

  1445. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Can they just end the game now

  1446. Someone Else July 31st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    I will be happy when Abreu’s gone. D00d sucks.

  1447. Syracuse Gary July 31st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Don, are you out of your mind?

  1448. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    these yankees are a frustrating team to root for..sometimes they play so well, but then you have nights like tonight…

  1449. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Don, you are indeed a prat. Well done.

  1450. rconn23 July 31st, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    I hate to say it, but Jeter looks like he’s in the midst of a Roberto Alomar-like decline.

  1451. Someone Else July 31st, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    If I were Joe, I would immediately send Justin Christian out to RF and send Abreu to the showers.

  1452. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    Yes, he certainly sucked terribly last night.

  1453. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    You know what I’d start Justin Christian in CF tomorrow to make a point.

  1454. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    Vlad is pissed because he doesn’t have the worst hair in town anymore.

  1455. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    There would have been no rally, Jeter would have grounded into a DP. And this pitching is brutal. And the prospects don’t look better. I actually want to see Pavano. God help me.

  1456. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    44 RA over 5 games????

    Holy crap!

  1457. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    44 runs over the last 5 games…yikes

  1458. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    Hey Detroit lost, Texas losing by 6 and Minnesota down by a run. Looks like we can keep losing and not lose any ground. What a reassuring thought!!!

  1459. V July 31st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Going to be a bad weekend.

  1460. DFox July 31st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    “You know what I’d start Justin Christian in CF tomorrow to make a point.”

    To make a point of what? That you want to give yourself no chance of winning game 2? Thank god you’re not the manager.

  1461. Josh Johnson July 31st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Need to have a team meeting tomorrow. Can’t be blown out like this, especially considering the Orioles already embarrassed us this week.

  1462. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    How exactly was that Abreu’s fault?

  1463. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    “I hate to say it, but Jeter looks like he’s in the midst of a Roberto Alomar-like decline.”

    Yeah it’s really sad to watch too.

  1464. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    See, look at how defense can cost you.

    Cano’s missed ball in the 3rd- 3 runs score with 2 outs afterwards. The error combined with one bad pitch turned it from a 3-0 deficit which we could have come back from to a 6-0 one.

    Abreu’s missed ball now cost us 2 runs right after we came back and chipped away a bit. It’s not unreasonable to think that with the Angels pitching their mop up guys and throwing strikes down so many runs that they could have made this a closer game with the heart of the lineup coming up one more time.

    The Angels play solid defense, and we don’t. Our bad defense has cost us 5 runs, plus extras due to our pitchers tiring early throwing extra pitches and having to go to scrub relievers.

    It matters.

  1465. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    12 runs given up in a Pettitte start, what the hell is gonna happen with Ponson out there tomorrow night?

    Gonna be one long weekend people.

  1466. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    PBL…I’ve seen way too many of these nights this year. I dont know if its the players, the manager, or what…but sometimes they just look lost out there.

    The thing that is going to annoy the piss out of me is that in the post-game conference, the message from Girardi and Jeter will be the same…”They just beat us. Sometimes the other team just scores more runs. Sometimes the other team is just better that night…”.

    I want to know why there have been at least 3 of these types of blowouts this week…pitching yes…but the entire team is at fault for crap like this, from the manager, down.

  1467. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Also those blaming Pudge, how about the stellar pitching in the 3 losses in a row???????????

  1468. Pat M. July 31st, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Roberto Alomar decline..Ouch….No love tonight for DJ….

  1469. Don Pratt July 31st, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    Bobby being Bobby?

  1470. Josh Johnson July 31st, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    To make a point of what? That you want to give yourself no chance of winning game 2? Thank god you’re not the manager.

    I honestly don’t think Cabrera would be missed, especially when comparing him to Christian. Christian is faster than Cabrera and could get to as many balls, if not more. Also, he couldn’t possibly hit worse than Cabrera. That’s not possible!

  1471. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    “44 runs over the last 5 games…yikes”

    Meet the O’s and the Angels. Teams that love to beat on us.

    I actually long for games against Jason Bay’s Red Sox right now.

  1472. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    They will split this series. Mussina will win his game, and one of Rasner or Ponson will hold the fort enough for the bats to win it.

    Book it.

  1473. NYY July 31st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Welcome back Chris Britton…Now tommorrow is the time to book a shuttle to AAA. See ya soon.

  1474. Someone Else July 31st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Why is Abreu still playing? Sit his butt on the bench, lazy bum.

  1475. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    the triple was because of abreu’s fear of everything. walls and other outfielders…

  1476. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    “Ken Singelton was saying how one bad call like that can effect an entire series. That one run can cause them to bring in a different pitcher, extend the rally, make them use their bullpen more, make a pitcher unavailable for a game later on in the series, etc.”

    well if kenny singleton says it, it’s GOTTA be true!

  1477. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Guys…remember to pray before you go to bed, that the Rays and (Red) Sox suck this weekend too. I don’t think we can afford to be down by five games, unless tampa falls very, very fast.

  1478. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    To watch how ineffective Jeter has been this season, pretty much in the field and at the plate, really highlights just how much he meant to the Yankees during his career at the Stadium. Jeter would always be the one who stepped up and won the game with the swing of a bat. Captain Clutch. You could always count on him to come up big. It’s pretty painful to watch this happening. I wanted to believe that it was all about an injury, but this has lingered and doesn’t show signs of improving. He’s average to dreadful.

  1479. sdjohn July 31st, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    NongEyeJonButchWynegar
    Seems like there is one Yankee killer on EVERY team in the AL.
    Boston has Ortiz had Manny. Killed us.
    Toronto- Rios.
    Tampa- Gomes,Crawford.
    Baltimore- Millar, Markakis.
    Minnesota- Nobody really.
    Chicago WS- Dye.
    Cleveland- Sizemore.
    Detroit- Mags.
    Kansas City- John Buck for some reason.
    Rangers- Michael Young.
    Seattle-Ichiro, Ibanez.
    Angels- EVERYONE IN THERE GODAMN LINEUP
    Oakland- Emil Brown/Mark Ellis.

  1480. Jorge Steinbrenner July 31st, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    “You know what I’d start Justin Christian in CF tomorrow to make a point.”

    What’s your point, “triples are bad?”

    “44 RA over 5 games???? Holy crap!”

    It happens. It’s the kind of thing no one ever figures out. Like Heidi says, “one meenute yoor ein, the next yoor aut!”

  1481. V July 31st, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    We are going to need a SS next year. Jeter looks done.

  1482. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    To make a point of what? That you want to give yourself no chance of winning game 2? Thank god you’re not the manager.

    So Melky can stop sleeping in the OF.

  1483. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    i know it amazes how quickly you go from a week ago when we’re winning our 8th in a row and picking up marte and nady to this

  1484. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Ken Singleton has a lot better idea of what he’s talking about than you, kasey, especially considering he’s played in the major leagues before and has broadcasted for many, many years.

  1485. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Oh yeah, A-Rod only cares about the money. He’s heartless. He doesn’t care.

    God people are morons.

  1486. DFox July 31st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    “I honestly don’t think Cabrera would be missed, especially when comparing him to Christian. Christian is faster than Cabrera and could get to as many balls, if not more. Also, he couldn’t possibly hit worse than Cabrera. That’s not possible!”

    Then you honestly aren’t thinking. Melky has a better arm, and we’ve all seen Christian hit, it’s not pretty. And Melky has had some good at bats tonight and might be coming around.

  1487. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Ron…youre a better person than I…I was just thinking that the Yanks are only going to win 1 of 4…if that.

  1488. JD July 31st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    “To make a point of what? That you want to give yourself no chance of winning game 2? Thank god you’re not the manager.”

    He’s already illustrated infinite times on here that he’s a complete idiot, DFox, I wouldn’t waste the typing.

  1489. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    How do you guys even have the will to complain left anymore?

    Just more of the same from this team.

    Getting to the point you just expect and accept it.

  1490. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    “Meet the O’s and the Angels. Teams that love to beat on us.
    I actually long for games against Jason Bay’s Red Sox right now.”

    the outcome of this game has no bearing whatsoever on how the yankees will perform in other series against other teams, man. your statement is idiotic.

    right? get it?

    (really, i’m just kidding around. you made a good point, i couldn’t pass up the opportunity.)

  1491. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    “Why is Abreu still playing? Sit his butt on the bench, lazy bum.”

    Girardi doesn’t have the marbles.

    Besides Abreu would probably make him cry.

  1492. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Brendan Harris murdered us as a Devil Ray.

  1493. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    I think that one was on abreu more than melky..melky has his faults, but effort and defense on that list

  1494. Secret Falafel Recipe July 31st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    No, I will not share my secret falafel recipe.

  1495. Jorge Steinbrenner July 31st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    “We are going to need a SS next year. Jeter looks done.”

    this forum needs a therapist.

    you all may not know this, but i am actually am one in the real world.

  1496. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    At least someone’s bringing sexy back

  1497. Don Pratt July 31st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    I’m just so sick of the Yankees not matching the Angel’s intensity for the past 6 years. They have the talent to hang with these guys but they insist on playing them the same way they play everyone else and that’s just not the way you beat Scoscia – you have to beat him at his own game. He’s constantly putting pressure on our pitching from pitch one. That puts our pitchers in a stress position then in turn puts our batters in a stress position because they are down multiple runs so early.

  1498. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Ya that would make such a good pt. starting Justin im sure it will get the message across. RU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!! All you guys wanna do is blame Melky and Cano for every Yankee loss. my god u r unreal. Didnt your sources tell you thats it not always their fault

  1499. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    PBL..that is what amazes me about this team, although at this point, it shouldn’t. They can go from world-beaters to absolute hacks just like that.

    At the beginning of the Orioles series, Paul O’Neill asked the question “Is the Yankees team that just one 8 of 9 the real Yankees or is it the pre-ASG Yankees?”

    I think we have our answer.

  1500. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    *aren’t on that list

  1501. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    “Ken Singleton has a lot better idea of what he’s talking about than you, kasey, especially considering he’s played in the major leagues before and has broadcasted for many, many years.”

    True, but Joe Morgan is a Hall of Fame second baseman, and knows less about baseball than my 11-month old puppy.

  1502. Buzz July 31st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    what happen to cano this guy is…

  1503. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Melky sleeping in CF look to see where he position MR.Baseball and that prolly was Abreus ball. Be serious for once.

  1504. dude July 31st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    I’m tired of the Yankees winning blowouts and then not being able to score in any other games. I wish they would just be like the Angels and win more close games and have an awful run differential. It seems as though every time they win a blowout, they can’t score at all in the games following

  1505. John H. July 31st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    I like Pettitte, but I don’t think I want to see him back next year.

  1506. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Buzz…I think the question of what happened to Cano should have been asked during his hot-streak…this year, this is apparently the real Cano.

  1507. MoBoy(aka McLovin) July 31st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    You know Vlad leads the leagues in double plays but he still hitting for he’s team.Tooo bad Jeter can’t do that.

  1508. Buzz July 31st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    is chris britton gonna get sent down this guy is BP hes looks like ponson and pitches like ponson…

  1509. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    At the beginning of the Orioles series, Paul O’Neill asked the question “Is the Yankees team that just one 8 of 9 the real Yankees or is it the pre-ASG Yankees?”

    4 months tells you more than 8 days.

    This team is not playoff material.

  1510. john-look! up there in the sky, falling down fast. Do you see it? Not a bird, or a plane, thats the tampa bay rays! July 31st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    I don’t think they even care. After pudge got robbed on the terrible call, he was hot in the dugout, but everybody was smiling and laughing like, hey, we already lost, it doesn’t even matter.

  1511. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    “Chicago WS- Dye.”

    No no no. He is not the King Yankee-killer in that town. Not anymore. I wish he was.

  1512. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    This team since the trades I think are 2 – 6 or 2 – 7

    I’d be worried if this were to happen last week but a combo of the Angels whooping our a** and Pudge here, if I know one thing about Pudge his energy spreads into a lineup and hopefully so does his attitude.

  1513. JD July 31st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    “Then you honestly aren’t thinking. Melky has a better arm, and we’ve all seen Christian hit, it’s not pretty. And Melky has had some good at bats tonight and might be coming around.”

    Don’t bother, DFox, he’s illustrated infinite times on here that he’s a complete idiot, I wouldn’t waste the typing.

  1514. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Chris Britton…taking one for the team.

  1515. V July 31st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    10 games with the Angels. Hopefully go 3 and 7.

  1516. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    yeah the posters now are pretty much at functionally illiterate level…

    yeah sit melky tommorrow after today. the guy has sucked all yr. but had a good game tonight but sit him because of Abreu..

    yeah that is the type of posts I expect from here..

    jeez you guys really are you that stupid or are you kidding???

  1517. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    This is disgusting.

  1518. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    The locker room better be closed after this one.

  1519. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    “True, but Joe Morgan is a Hall of Fame second baseman, and knows less about baseball than my 11-month old puppy.”

    bingo. ever heard dave valle or mike blowers talk baseball? steve phillips was a GM, when was the last time that guy said ANYTHING intelligent on the subject of baseball?

    singleton works for the YANKEES network. of course he thinks that play has the potential to change the outcome of the entire series. it was an awful call, no doubt, but that’s not what did the yankees in. they played awfully tonight, top to bottom.

  1520. NongEyeJonButchWynegar July 31st, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Chris Britton is gone after this game..sucks for him, but he…sucks

  1521. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    They have to send Britton back down.

    The clubhouse cook can’t make enough food to feed him and Ponson.

    My God dude, eat a salad once in awhile.

  1522. ian Nobody July 31st, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    YANKEES IN TROUBLE. CASHMAN DIDNT ADDRESS THE ROTATION. PLEASE RUSH BACK PHIL HUGHES!

  1523. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    Look at Melkys age, and compare him to other players at his age and after just as many games as he has played in his career and you will see they are just as comparable. Not everyone comes on the seen at 21,22,23 yrs old and blows up. It takes time, and he had alot of pressure on him i bet with his name being throwing around in trade rumors for the past month. You guys want every1 in the lineup to hit over .300 and have 20 hrs and never make an error or blunder, theres alot of teams that would love to have a 23 yr old CF with already 3 yrs experience and be a solid defensive player.

  1524. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Don’t blame Britton, he ate innings. THey’ll need them for Ponson and rasner. Pettite was the fault. He sucked it up tonight.

  1525. ian Nobody July 31st, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    don’t worry pettitte won’t be back next year. he can join his friend roger in JAIL.

    rotation next year: wang, chamberlain, sabathia, hughes, sheets.

  1526. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    Its getting ugly in here. Come on everybody. Hey this game is actually pretty close. You know if you can take away those THREE 3 run homers.

    PASTADIVING Jeter. You know somebody said we need a new SS and I read Jeter is done. My god. He’s human you know. This could just be a bad year for him. I haven’t seen him really drive the ball much since he got smacked on the hand way back when. I think he’s been hurt. Still if the next two years are like this one, what do they they do? Its almost surreal to think that they don’t sign him. I think he’ll come back strong though.

  1527. John...Trying not to lose hope July 31st, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    9 runs before 3 outs? It’s been done before, right?

  1528. rconn23 July 31st, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    So much frustration now with this team as a longtime fan.

    Cano has played like an absolute dog this year. Abreu is surely talented, but it’s hard to respect a guy who doesn’t always hustle and won’t give up his body for the team.

    The approaches at the plate are just horrible. They may score 12 runs one game, but you surely know the next game they will be lucky to score one run. Feast or famine, and that’s been the story the whole year.

    I’m the world’s biggest Jeter fan, but he seems headed for a steep and sudden decline. He just can’t elevate the ball at all right now.

  1529. ANGELS FAN July 31st, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA YANKEES SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 10-3 ANGELS 08 CHAMPS WIN THEY STINK!!!

  1530. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    that’s his first hit that doesn’t result in a run.

  1531. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    I guess Nady is used to hitting well on crappy, go nowhere teams.

  1532. ian Nobody July 31st, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    yeah teams REALLY want melky….. for the likes of washburn. HHAHAHAHA WOW!

  1533. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Inside Nady’s head: I thought I was traded? But this sure looks like the Pirate pitching staff. I must be back in Pittsburgh and the trade was a dream.

  1534. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    It just amazes me how some fans can be so objective and smart overall, but when it comes to a player they don’t like – all objectivity flies out the window. Bizarre.

  1535. Scared of the Wall July 31st, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    UPDATE, 8:10 p.m.: How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going? The Yankees are down 6-0, he’s made five trips to the mound to talk to Pettitte and he just stuck out on four pitches in his first at-bat. Other than that, it has been great.

    Clearly tonight’s loss is all on Pudge, the pitching and horrendous defense had nothing to do with it. I guess Pete’s disdain for Krazy Kyle has now been transferred to the man he was traded for.

  1536. Jack July 31st, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    ponson will get the win tommrow i predict 6 good innings y santana comes out of game early from walking everybuddy ill sign up for 2 out 2 vs the angels in a 4 game series anyday

  1537. sdjohn July 31st, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Confucius,
    I take it your talking about Griffey Jr.? He sure did kill us, but I’ll tell you what, EDGAR MARTINEZ was an even bigger Yankee killer on that Seattle team that Junior was. Great hitter and from what I hear a pretty good guy, but I still hate him.

  1538. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    “9 runs before 3 outs? It’s been done before, right?”

    I think Josh Hamilton did it. :D

  1539. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    Yankees should keep Pudge as are catcher, Jorge is not going to be able to catch next year, Jorge maybe can be a DH or play 1B and catch once and awhile. Maybe the Yanks part with Matsui and Abreu go with Damon,Melky,Nady and sign Tex and have Pudge catch Jorge DH then sign CC

  1540. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    hey remember that team era that looked so great during the first 8 games after the all star break? looks like the law of averages is back to work

  1541. Secret Falafel Recipe July 31st, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    While it sucks the Yanks are virtually conceding tomorrows game by pitching Ponson, this team is going to hit a ton over the next two months.

    Smile Yankee fans, you’re 1 game out of the wild card spot.

  1542. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    At the very least it really may be time to take Jeter out of the 2 hole.

  1543. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    lol the Angels fan must be on California time and is behind in the game. Lets not tell him about the two extra runs his team has, shall we? He’ll become *extra* obnoxious then.

  1544. John...Trying not to lose hope July 31st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Hey! A grand slam and…oh, we’d still be down by 5 runs…

  1545. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Man it’s 12-3 why would Soscia use Arrendando in this type of a game.

  1546. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    “I take it your talking about Griffey Jr.? He sure did kill us, but I’ll tell you what, EDGAR MARTINEZ was an even bigger Yankee killer on that Seattle team that Junior was.”

    Definitely. Buhner was also a Yankee-killer. As was Randy, obviously. They were our Angels of the mid 90′s.

  1547. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    “UPDATE, 8:05 p.m.: Hmm, it would seem Pudge and Pettitte have some kinks to iron out. …UPDATE, 8:10 p.m.: How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going? The Yankees are down 6-0, he’s made five trips to the mound to talk to Pettitte and he just stuck out on four pitches in his first at-bat. Other than that, it has been great.”

    it is laughable to ask how the Pudge Rodriguez Era is going an hour into his first game as a Yankee. Also, only Red Sox fans excessively blame/credit the catcher for a pitcher’s performance. Pudge didn’t give up any HR’s and I’m sure Andy will be the first one in the postgame to put HIS bad outing entirely on himself.

  1548. Jack July 31st, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    ponson will get the win tommrow i predict 6 good innings y santana comes out of game early from walking everybuddy ill sign up for 2 out 2 vs the angels in a 4 game series anyday also ill love to spilt the 10 games by taking 5 out of 10

  1549. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    we need to atleast score a run here otherwise they don’t get a message.

  1550. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    UPDATE, 8:10 p.m.: How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going? The Yankees are down 6-0, he’s made five trips to the mound to talk to Pettitte and he just stuck out on four pitches in his first at-bat. Other than that, it has been great.

    Huh? Did you really just post that, Peter? Or did someone hack your blog?

  1551. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    ” “9 runs before 3 outs? It’s been done before, right?”

    I think Josh Hamilton did it. ”

    I like that one

  1552. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Ya Sea also wanted Martinez from the METS so it tells how they wanted good players. Melky is a fine ball-player my god you guys are unreal really are. Blame Pudge for this loss is funny, Whats wrong with going to the mound some1 please tell me Andy missed spots thats not Pudge’s fault at all, Britton pitch to VLAD let me guess was not his fault right

  1553. DFox July 31st, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Ground in to triple play Jeter?

  1554. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) July 31st, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    I’d like to nominate Darren O’Day for: Worst Job Pitching the 9th with a 9 run lead EVER.

  1555. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    GITP for Jeter here?

    Would be so fitting.

  1556. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    here’s thier shutdown reliever, strap’em up atleast get one here and send the kid a message.

  1557. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    A few base hits and a grand slam? Teams have scored more than 9 in an inning before, I don’t blame him for shutting it down with a good reliever.

    See, calls do impact the series.

    The guy was actually out at 2nd, called safe, and then their pitcher gave up another hit and run. Now he has to go to his set up man Arredondo in a bases loaded, no outs situation against the top of the lineup.

    Who knows if being forced to use him today affects his pitching tomorrow? Imagine if they had to use even more of their guys if Oliver gave it up without that call.

  1558. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Watch the Yanks win with Ponson on the mound tomorrow. lol

    Now we just need 8 more runs and this baby is all tied up. :D

    Mr. Vodka makes me happy.

  1559. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    jeters due for the season

  1560. ian Nobody July 31st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    HERE COMES DOUBLE PLAY BOY

  1561. Someone Else July 31st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Anybody able to get a screen shot of that horrendous ump call?

  1562. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Oh, it really is there? I really thought I was seeing things, BBB. He might have been joking if he did actually post it, but is just well, staggering… if he did post it and mean it.

  1563. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    And if you are talking about Yankee Killers did anyone mention Marco Scutaro? Ross Gload?

  1564. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Brandon ask your sources how to spell SCIOSCIA cause u spelled it wrong..

  1565. sdjohn July 31st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Buhner. Ya know, everytime I hear his name I automatically think of Ken Phelps, and it still makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

  1566. Scared of the Wall July 31st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    And Jeter narrowly avoids the GIDP.

  1567. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    arredondo looks like he’s 12 in his gameday picture. does he look that young in real life?

  1568. Don Pratt July 31st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Hey Arod, THAT’S how you do it.

  1569. John...Trying not to lose hope July 31st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    DFox
    July 31st, 2008 at 10:19 pm
    Ground in to triple play Jeter?

    ok…that made me laugh…

    but c’mon guys, lay off the guy. Ever since he came up he has been the anchor of the team, and now everyone’s turning on him.

  1570. Secret Falafel Recipe July 31st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Jeter’s bat waggle is getting out of control.

  1571. Confucius July 31st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Ok, if that little bastard hadn’t made that play, I’d have started to think that -maybe- something’s possible here.

  1572. BBFan July 31st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Jeter tried his best o GIDP :)

  1573. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Well. Figgins’ play there probably ends our chances of a comeback. If he doesn’t make that play and the bases are still loaded with no outs, our chances are a lot better .

  1574. Boogie Down July 31st, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Well…..lets some how hope PONSON or RASNER pulls something out of their A**. This is going to be a rough weekend.

  1575. Don Pratt July 31st, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Geez, this team can play defense…

  1576. Someone Else July 31st, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Two great defensive plays. Blegh.

  1577. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    why are people killing pete for the pudge comment? it was funny. the guy was obviously not on the same page with andy and had a terrible first at bat. pete hardly said the team was destined to fail the rest of the year due to pudge.

    well, they “battled” right down to the last out. cancel that team meeting. if it hadn’t been for that one call…

  1578. Nick July 31st, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Britton is horrendous.

  1579. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    See guys, look at that.

    Two OUTSTANDING, GOLD GLOVE CALIBER defensive players kill our rally. That’s the importance of defense. If you put two average defenders at third and first, Jeter’s and Abreu’s balls both get through, and it’s 12-6 with the bases loaded, still nobody out, and A-Rod, Sexson, Cano, and Nady coming up.

    That changes the whole tone of the inning .

  1580. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) July 31st, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Angel, yup, it is definitely there! I am cynical so I automatically assumed he meant it, but I hope he was joking or hacked cause that’s utterly nonsensical.

  1581. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    tough to get a rally going when they make defensive plays like that..if not for those two plays we’d probably have been at 10-12 with none out when arod came up

  1582. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Way to hustle A-Rod. You beat that out if you don’t stare at it rolling back fair down the line. Good job, way to play hard and put in effort!

  1583. Pat M. July 31st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Wonder how many of you will be attending Derek Jeter day, or make the trip to Cooperstown……Shame …..

  1584. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Here’s a thought Girardi: move people around in the lineup. Jeter is killing us in the 2 and likewise with Giambi in the 5

  1585. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Brandon ask your sources how to spell SCIOSCIA cause u spelled it wrong..

    OH please everyone spells that name wrong.

  1586. ian Nobody July 31st, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    Should’ve traded AROD. NEVER a championship with this LOSER.

  1587. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    See, take away a 3 run homer here, a 3 run homer there and this game is in extra innings. All positive with my Bacardi in hand.

  1588. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    “Buhner. Ya know, everytime I hear his name I automatically think of Ken Phelps, and it still makes me throw up in my mouth a little.”

    weird. i think of seinfeld.

  1589. John...Trying not to lose hope July 31st, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    Tough game…

    They better hope for some magic the rest of this series. Later.

  1590. PBL July 31st, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    i’ve heard a lot of people criticize girardi for changing the lineup too much, i think this is the first time i’ve heard the opposite

  1591. Boogie Down July 31st, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    Well……I hope all of the Britton supporters are off the bandwagon now. That should tell you all why hes been in the minors for so long.

  1592. Scared of the Wall July 31st, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Well, at least they managed to score some runs tonight, considering they were being no-hit earlier in the game.

  1593. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    So I think I will do something I seldom do and that is deprive myself the pleasure of watching tonight’s postgame. I seriously don’t think there is anything to be analyzed that we can’t figure out ourselves.

    Night all.

    Onward and upward. Here’s hoping for tomorrow’s game.

  1594. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    All this team has to do is play a solid, well played game and they will beat the Angels, but they don’t, because they play intimidated and scared.

    Cano’s error cost them 3 runs, Abreu’s missed ball 2 more. How much did they lose by?

    SIX.

  1595. Heh July 31st, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    “why are people killing pete for the pudge comment? it was funny. the guy was obviously not on the same page with andy and had a terrible first at bat. pete hardly said the team was destined to fail the rest of the year due to pudge.

    well, they “battled” right down to the last out. cancel that team meeting. if it hadn’t been for that one call…”

    You’re quickly advancing up the ‘#1 idiot of the blog’ list.

  1596. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    I’m thinking he was joking too, BBB. He often does.

    Kasey, I’m not one of the people on here, that kills Pete for everything he writes at all. I have a pretty good sense of humor and most of the time I get when he’s just being funny or facetious. That one just seemed a tad over the top.

    And if I think so, I’ll say so.

  1597. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    the people on jeter’s case are the same people who boo rivera. it’s absurd.

    the yankees didn’t show up to play until it was too late, and when they did, the angels played great defense.

    pettitte pitched terribly, the team played very poorly until the tail end of the game, and they lost. pretty simple.

  1598. lil' m July 31st, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Finally . . .

  1599. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Take your lips from Peters butt, Gotta love this now you guys can blame PUDGE for the loss’ instead of Cano,Melky. He was nervous and he even said that it will take him 1 time threw the rotation to know every1. o and he struck out his 1st AB o no he should be DFA for that..Yanks win and you guys are prasing them and when they lose you hate them all, bi-polar fans.. its ok to be mad and frustrated but know what to be upset bout

  1600. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Wonder how many of you will be attending Derek Jeter day, or make the trip to Cooperstown……Shame …..

    Stop it with that nonsense.

    Just because you can realize aplayer is on his downside, doen’t mean you are disrespecting what he has done for you.

    I guess you’re one of the ones who still wants Bernie in CF, and Tino at first.

    Nostaglia is great, but winning games in the present is what it’s all about.

  1601. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    I would blame Pettitte’s pitching first..I mean giving up 2 3 run homers, one thing that Angels team does that this lineup will have to do is make teams pay w/ RISP.

    3 3 run homers that means they had 3 big hits today, that is just unacceptable.

  1602. EY July 31st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    I don’t understand some people’s obsession with Britton. Without him pitching, we could have been tied at 6 (assuming the rest of the bullpen hold up). He’s been called up and sent down 1000 times and has proved that he’s WORTHLESS. Even Hawkins is better than Britton. He better be gone by tomorrow. I don’t know who’s replacing him, but anyone’s better.

  1603. ray (sox fan) July 31st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    I hate to say it, but the Angels are playing much better lately than both the Red Sox and the Yankees.

  1604. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    I hate to say it, but the Angels are playing much better lately than both the Red Sox and the Yankees.

    Thanks Captain Obvious.

  1605. kasey July 31st, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    angel,

    i wasn’t making reference to you. people take pete’s criticism of players so personally, it’s insane to me. i get it, we all love the yankees. unless anyone’s related to pudge, what difference does it make if pete posts a derisive comment?

    again, i understand that, by and large, you’re not one of those people, i’m just making a general statement about how often pete catches flack on the blog for making a joke. it is, after all, his forum.

  1606. Bunny July 31st, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Let’s face it, no one thought the Rays would still be there after the AS break. They are a player in the East now. It’s not just the Yankees and Sox any more. Whats more the Angels are looking real good right now. We have our work cut out for us.

  1607. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    You know maybe I’m more buzzed than I think but this game was closer than 12-6. Add a run for the the blown call at home and a couple more without some brilliant defense in the last inning, take away just 1 bad pettite pitch and this game is a real game. Too bad it didn’t work out but that is the game.

    Lets hope Ponson has 1 up his sleeve. You never know.

  1608. Fredo Corleone July 31st, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Halos have put on a pretty dominant trip thru Boston and NYC so far. Pretty clearly the best team in the AL right now, but who knows when October rolls around.

  1609. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    the people on jeter’s case are the same people who boo rivera. it’s absurd.

    How anyone can defend Jeters playing this year is what’s absurd. He’s no longer working pitchers, he’s been swinging at the first pitch. He’s among the league leaders in double plays. How do you defend that?

  1610. MoBoy(aka McLovin) July 31st, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    Now the Pitching sucks and yet the offense is playing good.

    But hey we got Ponson and Rasner.Don’t worry we can still go at it.

  1611. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    How anyone can defend Jeters playing this year is what’s absurd. He’s no longer working pitchers, he’s been swinging at the first pitch. He’s among the league leaders in double plays. How do you defend that?

    Because to some of these clowns being objective and realistic means you hate a player and are a “bad” fan.

  1612. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    I have agree with the Jeter comments, I actually think he is no longer a 2 hitter for us, he may be better used at 6 or 7. Id like to see honestly maybe Abreu bat 2 or maybe even Pudge or Nady.

  1613. Jon July 31st, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    I’m a huge fan of Jeter. But the guy playing shortstop this year is not Jeter, and I’m not talking about his production. I’m talking about his approach to hitting, his defense, his leadership. That’s not the same Jeter we’ve known the past 12 years.

  1614. Matt July 31st, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    The Yankees can’t let the sentimentality kill their team. They let Bernie stay in center in key spots in the lineup as he dramatically dropped off and how many games did he lose us with his lack of range and arm in center over the years towards the end?

    Sometimes you just have to realize your guys are declining and start looking into developing or acquiring guys to help pick up the slack. Jeter is at the point where a year or two down the line, you won’t be able to play him as you do now. He’s already earning his way to a spot down at the bottom of the lineup and his defense in 2 years will not be shortstop worthy.

  1615. sdjohn July 31st, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    It’s good to be hot in late July and early August, but it’s better to be hot in mid September and early October. Remember that.

  1616. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} July 31st, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    And I agree, I’m often amazed by how people often are so rude to him on his forum just because he says things they don’t like. Its not that hard to disagree with him respectfully. Generally I find him pretty amusing.

    That comment just sounded a bit out of character for him. I really thought I’d misread it. He could have been making a satirical comment on the assclown fans out there who actually booed him for making an out his first AB, and he’d be right too.

  1617. Secret Falafel Recipe July 31st, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    I love the Yankees, but I can’t stand Yankee fans.

  1618. Terror for the Halos in Gotham ! July 31st, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    3 game winning streak starts TOMORROW !

  1619. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    It’s good to be hot in late July and early August, but it’s better to be hot in mid September and early October. Remember that.

    Stupid me. Here I though playing consistent, good baseball was the key to success.

    Some of the stuff you all come out with to try and sugarcoat this team is hysterical.

  1620. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    STATS ARE MISLEADING. Look at the boxscore.. the angels had 2 errors the yanks none… wow the yanks must have fielded well and not the angels… WRONG

    the angels made about 4 diving plays, cano missed numerous almost plays, the abreu/melky debacle, and the arod deflection(good try) the yanks did not make any of the plays.. Did it cost them???
    Numerous runs.. just look at the 9th the angels made 2 great plays…

    Stats do not always tell the story…..

  1621. Scared of the Wall July 31st, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    “Take your lips from Peters butt, Gotta love this now you guys can blame PUDGE for the loss’ instead of Cano,Melky.”

    And I’m sure that clown Steve Phillips will blame Pudge for the loss as well.

  1622. sdjohn July 31st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    I’m not hating on Jeter, he will go down as one of the greats. But NOBODY can sit on here and say that he a good defender at the SS position. He not only has trouble ranging left or right, but he continuously makes bad throws when he does get to a ball. And he is struggling at the plate. He doesn’t drive the ball at all anymore. Now am I saying I hate Jeter and he should hang em up tomorrow? No, but it’s just as absurd as you guys thinking that the 98 and 99 Jeter are going to re-appear. It’s kinda hard to watch, actually. Just like Bernie, and I have a feeling Posada isn’t to far behind them. I remember watching Mattingly go through it and it tore me up, but then in the 95 playoffs he was hitting the cover off the ball. Screw you Edgar Martinez!!!!!!

  1623. Coach Jay23 July 31st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Of course he will blame Pudge and say that he doesnt know what pitches to call, Hello Pudge has caught in the AL before so I am sure he knows how to get guys out, he just has to learn what pitches the staff likes to throw in certain counts, but Andy missed spots 2nite and hes a vet so I am sure he would call off Pudge if he didnt like it.

  1624. ray (sox fan) July 31st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Terror for the Halos,

    You sound a lot like Vito!

  1625. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    I guess the angels are the old yanks.. 7 of the players in the lineup tonight were hitting like 280 or more.. no unbelievable stat guys just all good..

    alot of speed the old yankee teams did not have that.. great fielding they get to a lot of balls and good pitching…

    they also take advantage of every would coulda………

  1626. Terror for the Halos in Gotham ! July 31st, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    rav ?…who is rav ? (wink)

  1627. Phil July 31st, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    The Angels look like they are peaking now.

  1628. daver July 31st, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Do you think we could move Nady up a bit in the batting order?

    He’s a better hitter than Giambi and Cano this year…

  1629. sdjohn July 31st, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Bob the original,

    “stupid me”, you said it genius. sugarcoat the fact that your a fair weather bro. Good consistent baseball? And what is good consistent baseball to you? Winning 10 games in a row, losing 1 and winning 10 more? Well little man, that ain’t gonna happen. The Angels are hot right now. The Yankees were hot last week. But a playoff team want to “peak” at the end of September and go into the playoffs playing well.

  1630. Delayed Vengeance Against Bozos (DVAB) July 31st, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    ray the Sox fan has keen observation skills :-)

  1631. j July 31st, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    the main thing here is that we are now behind two teams in two diffrent races. we are behind the rays and sox in the divison and behind the sox and twins in the wild card. the team has to play literally .600 or better to even have a chance at any sort of playoff spot. btw 8 more games vs the angels is not going to help :(

  1632. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    We have probably the best SS in the game on our team.

    Unfortunatley he’s playing 3rd base.

  1633. populoso July 31st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    “How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going?” Are you for real? Don’t act like you were against the move. Molina can’t hit, and you hated Farnsworth. What are you talking about?

    Also, Mussina had one poor start after 10 straight decent-to-great ones. Hardly struggling.

  1634. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    Whoever is blaming this on Pudge is being ridiculous. I didn’t see the 2 homeruns live but from the replays, Pudges glove and the the point of contact seemed far from each other. Andy just missed and they hit it far. He looked alright for a guy whose career just hit a whirlwind in the last 24 hours. Lets try and look at the bigger picture a bit.

  1635. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    OK, we have the best SS playing baseball at 3B. Who would you have play 3B then?

  1636. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Bob the original,

    “stupid me”, you said it genius. sugarcoat the fact that your a fair weather bro. Good consistent baseball? And what is good consistent baseball to you? Winning 10 games in a row, losing 1 and winning 10 more? Well little man, that ain’t gonna happen. The Angels are hot right now. The Yankees were hot last week. But a playoff team want to “peak” at the end of September and go into the playoffs playing well.

    I was gonna respond, but then I thought anyone who calls someone “bro” ain’t worth the effort.

  1637. j July 31st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    arod has also lost a few steps on the field. has anyone noticed that any ball hit to his left always goes by him.

  1638. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    OK, we have the best SS playing baseball at 3B. Who would you have play 3B then?

    Jesus, it was merely a statement of fact, not a call for lineup position changes for tomorrow’s game.

  1639. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    “We have probably the best SS in the game on our team.

    Unfortunatley he’s playing 3rd base.”

    You’re killing me dude.

    “Golden Jerry, Golden!”

  1640. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    There’s not much to figure out here Pettitte stunk tonight it’s that simple. And yeh I think GI Joe needs to move Nady up in the lineup (no I’m still not convinced he pans out but he is starting to crush the ball and he gets into these streaks w/ RISP)

  1641. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    arod has also lost a few steps on the field. has anyone noticed that any ball hit to his left always goes by him.

    You mean the ones most shortstops would field? ;)

    **********It’s a joke people relax, I don’t hate Jeter and haven’t forgotten how many clutch hits he’s had over the years.*************

  1642. Fredo Corleone July 31st, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    “How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going?” Are you for real? Don’t act like you were against the move.”

    Pete came out very much in favor of the move, but he also seems to have recognized that this is a guy who came for Kyle Farnsworth and that it was no accident. Pudge is not a terrific player anymore. His defensive skills are diminshing (the Yankees lose something defensively going from Molina to Pudge) and he’s a borderline average to below average hitter (though a bit above average by catcher standards).

  1643. Pat M. July 31st, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Bob The Original, not to be mistaken for Bob The Knockoff…..Playing with a bad hand for a baseball player is a handicap that’s hard to express unless you’ve expierenced it….Enough said, he has lost a step no doubt but this is hardly the demise of Derek Jeter…..

  1644. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    The statement of fact over best SS makes no sense then. Why say it if there is noone else to play 3B. Jeter may not be having his best year, but that is still an awesome combo. Why call Arod the best SS on the team, when even you realize it makes no sense to move him there?

  1645. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    I’m nominating Pudge for the Kevin Maas Jawbone Award.

  1646. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Enough said, he has lost a step no doubt but this is hardly the demise of Derek Jeter…..

    I’m not saying he should retire tomorrow.

    He’s 34 though, getting too old for SS.

    And he definetly needs to be moved down in the order. He really is killing the Yanks there this year.

  1647. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Ponson tomorrow **shudders in fear**

    Andy didn’t have it today.
    Holy Jeebus, what will the Angels do against Ponson? :?

  1648. Delayed Vengeance Against Bozos (DVAB) July 31st, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    we really need to start thinking about next year…I mean, we are a WHOLE ONE GAME back of the Red Sox in the loss column for what now is the wild card race and what WILL BE the division race, when Tampa folds like any SANE baseball fan knows they will and there are only 54 games to go !!!
    54 !!!
    .
    How the HELL can this Yankees team with all of its lack of talent be expected to make up ONE FLIPPIN’ GAME when we only have 54 left to play ?
    WHAT THE HALE IS GOING ON ? Why do they all hate us so much !!!!

  1649. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    The statement of fact over best SS makes no sense then. Why say it if there is noone else to play 3B. Jeter may not be having his best year, but that is still an awesome combo. Why call Arod the best SS on the team, when even you realize it makes no sense to move him there?

    So even though it’s true, I shouldn’t say it because he won’t play there?

    That makes alot of sense.

  1650. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    How does someone call Pudge borderline average to below average hitter? He is hitting .295. He hit .281,.300,.276 his last three years. Are you stupid?

  1651. lil' m July 31st, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    ray (sox fan): Yup. But at least the Sox have been able to handle them in the past. If I recall correctly, they’ve had the Yankees’ number every season since 1996. Continuing to miss Chien Ming Wang in a rather overwhelming way . . .

  1652. Dean July 31st, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Little off topic but I say slot IPK in for Ponson or Rasner after the next start. Whoever has a more productive start stays for now (try to squeeze any little bit of produciton out of either of those two).

  1653. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    OK play Arod at SS. that makes sense. Then what to to with Jeter and find a third baseman. I’m the one not making sense????

  1654. ray (sox fan) July 31st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    Delayed Vengeance,

    After writing that Tampa Bay will fold you were supposed to add, “Book it Dano!”

  1655. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread July 31st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    “The Angels look like they are peaking now.”

    An interesting observation in terms of trying to figure out who will end up with the hot hand when the time comes. Unless you have a team like the 1998 Yankees, where they just never stopped excelling once they started, a lot of times you are going to find that the team who takes it all turns out to be the team who gets hot at the right time.

    Just an observation without anything else to add except that it isn’t too late for the Yankees to get hot and peak. And if it happens at the right time, it can propel us into the postseason.

    If I were to go on nothing beyond my power of observation over the last several games I would be thinking that the Yankees need to accept that they aren’t going anywhere. However, I know what this team is made of so I know that they can erupt at any time.

  1656. pat July 31st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    Torre and Nomar sound pretty happy to be getting Manny in LA.

  1657. Bob(The Original) July 31st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    OK play Arod at SS. that makes sense. Then what to to with Jeter and find a third baseman. I’m the one not making sense????

    I give up.

  1658. ray (sox fan) July 31st, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    lil’m

    The Sox have played the Angels very well in recent years, but right now they have beat the Sox I think 7 games in a row!

  1659. Jim S July 31st, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    I give up too.

  1660. Delayed Vengeance Against Bozos (DVAB) July 31st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Boston is going to be worse without Manny.
    The Yankees are better with the 3 players we just added.
    Tampa is at least 7 games back of the division winner, when the season is over.
    The Angels have the Yankees number UNTIL we beat them in the playoffs, which COULD happen this year.
    ray the sox fan is a friend of mine.
    .
    BOOK IT, DANO !!!
    :-)

  1661. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    it’s true and Bob is right. Jeter is definitely hurting the team hitting 2nd but can he really be moved down. Cano might even shine there, Nady could be good too but it’s like were sort of cursed with this history and pride stuff. Jeter can’t hit 5th. Arod might never see another fastball. It’s 6th or lower and could you imagine the backlash. Girardi could be stoned to death or something. Sometimes I think this team needs to just let go of the past. It’s a new game and we’re just stuck.

  1662. Russell W July 31st, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    We need to split these games with the Angels. I have confidence our team will perform well against non-Angel teams.

  1663. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Why does Damon talk on post game every day and Jeter rarely ever anymore? What the hell is going on with this guy?

  1664. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    Damn did Peter Gammons ever rip Manny

    He used sycophants to insult ownership and everyone in authority, and one player who really cares for Ramirez said that he knew Ramirez could sit the last two months, collect his final $7 million and ride off into the $100 million sunset. The Red Sox knew that, as well. They had already threatened him with an unpaid suspension, but in a world where the union fights for those who don’t work, the last two months were going to be a living hell of sit-down strikes, followed by suspensions. It would have been a half-season of what the past two weeks have been, namely a chokehold on the team’s baseball culture.

    Ramirez tried to sit, citing his knee. Problem is, after skipping Felix Hernandez and Joba Chamberlain, the Red Sox ownership and medical staff ordered him to take an MRI. If Ramirez hadn’t forgotten which knee was bothering him, he would have been more convincing, but he got mixed up. Massachusetts General Hospital performed MRIs on both knees, found nothing and the next day ownership served Ramirez with a written notice that if he did not play, he would be suspended without pay.

    Someday, when we really understand the whole 1980-2005 Steroid Era of which one admitted user says “the only guys who didn’t do them after 1994 were either stupid or scared,” we may ask the question: Was it worse to take performance-enhancing drugs to perform better and win, or decline to play and steal money?

    Anyone who was watching John Lackey’s run at a no-hitter continue in the seventh inning on Wednesday when Ramirez jogged to first in 5.7 seconds, realizes that he is one of those rare, gifted athletes who cares nothing about winning, about the integrity of the game or his teammates.

    DAMN THAT WAS LOW EVEN FOR GAMMONS

  1665. Pepitone July 31st, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    Yankee starting pitching is their most vulnerable spot. No way they go to the playoffs with this 5. Bring up Hughes, Kennedy, and Aceves ASAP.

  1666. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    losers remember when seattle had that crazy yr. with Pinella and they came to NY and destroyed the Yanks…..
    I think this angel team is better and the Yanks have some holes but you never know and the angels are playing so well now but it is a long season.. DOminating starting pitching changes everything anyways……

    Imagine Joba at 22 or 23 is the Yanks best starter after 11 starts……..Man they need wang and Hughes bad..

    did you see espn news today the deadline show? these mrons said about 3 times that hughes and kennedy have never won a big league game…..The host said it at least 3 times and the other morons never corrected him…

    Hughes won 5 games last yr.. I jsut looked it up on ESPN.com.. but these guys who get paid to do this could not figure it out!!!!!

  1667. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    Why does Damon talk on post game every day and Jeter rarely ever anymore? What the hell is going on with this guy?

    He’s not a vocal leader he’s more of a let my play lead guy.

  1668. Fredo Corleone July 31st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    “How does someone call Pudge borderline average to below average hitter? He is hitting .295. He hit .281,.300,.276 his last three years. Are you stupid?”

    Well Beavis, if you take a good look at baseballreference.com, you’ll note an OPS+ of less than 100 over the past 4 years. 100 is average. Being below 100 = being below average. He’s a lousy OBP guy, doesn’t have much power anymore and in general is nothng special. Is he a better hitter than Molina? Yes. But Molina stinks. Borderline average to below average > stinks.

  1669. Redding July 31st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Goats of the game -

    Britton
    Jeter

    Pettitte and Cano get a pass.

  1670. Kell July 31st, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    This team is just not that good.

  1671. Wojo July 31st, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    I am agreeing with a lot of the posters. Move A-Rod to SS.

    Move Jeter to 2nd, how much longer can he play SS anyway?

    Cano goes to 3rd.

  1672. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    i dislike gammons but he is right on manny.. manny is a total jerk, and is a crook. he stole from the sux…

    he is a wierd and twisted dude… the sux paid him like $160 mill… that is real $$$, he acts like he is a coal miner getting screwed by a bad owner.

    again I dislike the sux more then most, but manny is a total jerk, and his next contract will be less then the 2 options he just threw away….the guy is 36 and a lazy dogger…

  1673. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    MY only problem w/ the Yankees offense is they keep waiting for 2 outs to hit w/ RISP.. I like that we are getting those types of hit but we’re wasting outs waiting for that 2 out hit. IDK why w/ 0 outs or 1 out they can’t hit w/ RISP and keep w/ the 2 out hitting. It’s weird, it’s like what the Indians did to us in the playoffs last year.

  1674. Fredo Corleone July 31st, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    “DAMN THAT WAS LOW EVEN FOR GAMMONS”

    The truth can sting sometimes.

  1675. conn July 31st, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Sad when a rookie is the best starter.

  1676. CaptainsCorner July 31st, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Manny is going to mash the NL’s awful pitching…But teams are NEVER going to pitch to him, he will get walked all the time The Dodgers lineup is terrible besides Martin!!

  1677. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Irod and Nady are not great players neither of them.. That is not the point.. Irod is a league average hitter but for catchers he is about the 3rd best hitting catcher since most catchers cannot hit at all. Look at the stats…

    Nady is a huge improvement over what they were getting from Gardner and whomever.. The bottom line is the ywi score more runs then they otherwise woud since the additions to the roster.

    Look at 1 play tonight that illustrates this totally.. I rod hit hard grounder to figgins and was safe at first barely. Molina is thrown out by 5 feet. Plays like that over 55 games equal more base runners and should lead to more runs, how hard is that to figure out?

    The play at the plate where Irod was incorrectly called out is another example..

    Do you guys really not understand this???

    Therefore Irod and Nady were upgrades.. Are they superstars? No… They are upgrades over what they had, not real complicated….

  1678. P Doug July 31st, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Trying to figure out who’s loonier. Brandon or stuart.

  1679. Pepitone July 31st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    It is not the Yankee offense people! It’s their lousy starting pitching.

    No team can be successful looking up at the scoreboard after 3 innings being down 3-6 runs a game. It puts too much pressure on the offense to have to clean up the mess (except for Joba) the starting pitcher left.

  1680. pat July 31st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Theo ghost-wrote that for Gammons.

  1681. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    He’s not a vocal leader he’s more of a let my play lead guy.

    lol since when? Previous years he was interviewed every day, win or lose.

  1682. Delayed Vengeance Against Bozos (DVAB) July 31st, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    THIS is the lineup to look for :

    DH Damon (.315)
    SS Jeter (.280)
    LF Nady (.328)
    3B A-Rod (.326)
    C I-Rod (.295)
    RF Abreu (.287)
    1B Giambi (.257)
    2B Cano (.263)
    CF Melky (.251)
    .
    try THAT for a week or 2 and see how they rake !

  1683. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Irod and Nady are not great players neither of them..

    You’re clueless.

  1684. Wangawa July 31st, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    The Angels are the best team in baseball. All five of their starters give them a chance to win every game. They have a great bullpen with Shields and K-Rod. They play great defense. They’re fundamentally sound. They can hit home runs and steal a ton of bases. And they just added Teixeira to their lineup.

    If you’re the Yankees, you hope that you somehow win the division so you don’t have to face them in the first round of the playoffs.

  1685. Beaver Falls July 31st, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    “Trying to figure out who’s loonier. Brandon or stuart.”

    Brandon wins just for his name bashing Nady for no reason.

  1686. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    This team is just not that good.

    No I disagree I actually for the first time don’t agree w/ this statement. This team has awareness issues. They wait for 2 outs to get hits (this is good that they can do this because 2 out hits are momentum changing hits) the problem here is they are wasting outs and letting teams breathe, whatever they are doing w/ 2 outs when they are at the plate they need to make a habit of no matter what the situation.

  1687. Hippy July 31st, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    stop blaming the offense!!

    you are only as good as your starting pitcher.

    why are the angels the best? because they got 5 good starters.

  1688. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Brandon wins just for his name bashing Nady for no reason.

    Nady hasn’t earned anything yet, therefore my Nady comment stays until he shows his consistancy (I got to admit he is showing signs of life but it stays there for now)

  1689. FrankDiscussion July 31st, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Hopefully this game was an aberration for Pettitte and he will revert to his usual strong showing in the second half.
    I can’t say the defense was very impressive tonight, and I think it is time to consider moving Jeter down in the order.
    The Angels appear to be the real deal this year, a very well balanced team. Next three games are going to be tough.

  1690. back bench July 31st, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    “Trying to figure out who’s loonier. Brandon or stuart.”

    Why insult anyone? If you disagree with what they said, then respond with a coherent counter-argument.

    It would be great if these discussions focused on constructive criticisms that might help win the division of WC. Who knows who actually might be reading this blog.

  1691. Fredo Corleone July 31st, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    “Irod and Nady are not great players neither of them..

    You’re clueless.”

    Not often you find a clueless guy who is 100% correct. Neither is a great player. Irod was, but is 3-4 years removed that time. Nady never was and never will be.

  1692. Delayed Vengeance Against Bozos (DVAB) July 31st, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    E-Man , when you want to see an example of clueless, hold a mirror up to your face. I-Rod and Nady are WORLDS better than Molina and Gardner/Christian and they easily can thrive with both the bat and the glove with the talent that NY puts on the field every day.

  1693. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    Hippy no is saying that didn’t happen, my first post was directly at Pettitte he sucked tonight plain and simple, Pettitte pitched horrible tonight.

  1694. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    yeah p doug.. I am sure your posts are quite insightful…
    let me guess in no particular order you posts entail ; jeter cannot play SS, melky should be waived, trade every minor leaguer for an old scrub, and why can’t they win every game…

    I assume you are of the need a superstar at every position crowd..

    yeah the angels smoked us tonight with eric aybar at SS, figgans at 3B(a supposed power position) , juan rivera a Yankee retread in LF, and jeff mathis behind the plate

    p Doug or whatever your name is can you think???

  1695. S.A.- I still believe in this team but this offense is offensive again. July 31st, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    If Ramirez hadn’t forgotten which knee was bothering him, he would have been more convincing, but he got mixed up.

    lol.

    Wow Gammons is prettay prettay steamed up over Manny. Oh well.

    So, Manny found a new home, next up Brett Favre?

  1696. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) July 31st, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    no one *

  1697. Delayed Vengeance Against Bozos (DVAB) July 31st, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    my bad…stuart and Fredo Corleone, please report to the nearest ER,…..people around you are sensing no brain activity….E-man…you ARE the man…..( over and out ! ) :-)

  1698. Fredo Corleone July 31st, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    “this game was an aberration for Pettitte and he will revert to his usual strong showing in the second half.
    I can’t say the defense was very impressive tonight,”

    1) I think it was an aberration for Pettitte

    2) The Yankees defense is among the worst in baseball. That it was not especially good tonight should not come as a shock.

  1699. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    yeah delayed venegance besides being up past your bed time when your mommy told you to go to bed at 9, your posts are moronic.. your new batting order has as much chance of happening as you getting a raise at Burger King or you passing your GED exam

    Why do you share your drivel with us?? Really have you ever played baseball or watched a game with out your binky?

  1700. Pepitone July 31st, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    “Really have you ever played baseball or watched a game with out your binky?”

    ROFLOL!!!!!!

  1701. FrankDiscussion July 31st, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Someone else was watching “Suicide Kings” tonight ?

  1702. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Sorry people I forgot to quote. I’m not that dumb to call a first ballot hall of famer and a guy with a higher avg than Arod not great players.

    I was calling Stuart clueless for making that comment.

  1703. E-Man July 31st, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    “Not often you find a clueless guy who is 100% correct. Neither is a great player. Irod was, but is 3-4 years removed that time. Nady never was and never will be.”

    And it looks like Fredo might be clueless too.

  1704. stuart July 31st, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    e man what the hell are you talking about . I rod is an upgrade over Molina but at this time of his career I rod is OK.

    Do not say I have said things that I have not. .Do I get on Arod? Absolutely.. Yeah he will make the HOF, is that shocking, but we will see what the final write up on his career is in about 9 years.

    SO do not say I said something that I did not.. Jerk…

  1705. E-Man August 1st, 2008 at 12:36 am

    stuart
    July 31st, 2008 at 11:26 pm
    Irod and Nady are not great players neither of them.. That is not the point.. Irod is a league average hitter but for catchers he is about the 3rd best hitting catcher since most catchers cannot hit at all. Look at the stats…

    Nady is a huge improvement over what they were getting from Gardner and whomever.. The bottom line is the ywi score more runs then they otherwise woud since the additions to the roster.

    Look at 1 play tonight that illustrates this totally.. I rod hit hard grounder to figgins and was safe at first barely. Molina is thrown out by 5 feet. Plays like that over 55 games equal more base runners and should lead to more runs, how hard is that to figure out?

    The play at the plate where Irod was incorrectly called out is another example..

    Do you guys really not understand this???

    Therefore Irod and Nady were upgrades.. Are they superstars? No… They are upgrades over what they had, not real complicated….

  1706. E-Man August 1st, 2008 at 12:38 am

    dementia? Stuart?

  1707. MoBoy(aka McLovin) August 1st, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Everybody is on Nady and I=Rod.Why aren’t people blaming Kennedy and Hughes for not leaving up to the hype…Joba did.How about Wang being in the DL every year since he’s been up here.

    How about Alex Rodriguez who if he was hitting like last year we would be in first place.Hey Nady is not better then Alex Rodriguez but Nady isn’t getting paid $27 million either.

    The Starting pitching is starting to be what it was overrated(besides Joba).Geting 6 runs off the Angels was big but hey the pitching can’t hang….don’t worry Ponson pitches tomorrow.

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