Game 108: Angels at Yankees (and Manny)
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc, Podcast on Jul 31, 2008 
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YANKEES (59-48)
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Nady LF
P. Rodriguez C
Cabrera CF
Pettitte LHP
Andy Pettitte (12-7, 3.76) vs. the Los Angeles hitters.
Jon Garland (9-6, 4.30) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees are 9-3 since the break, the Angels 10-2. … The Yankees are 15-23 against the Angels since 2004. … Los Angeles has won three straight and seven of their last eight.
GUESS WHO’S BACK: For the 1,987th time this season, Chris Britton was called up from Scranton. Chad Moeller was DFA’d.
WHO’S HOT: Bobby Abreu is 18 of his last 45 (.400) with 10 extra-base hits, 12 RBI and 15 runs scored. … A-Rod is 10 of his last 21 with four RBI and two HR.
WHO’S NOT: Robinson Cano is 3 of his last 18 with one run scored and no RBI. … Wilson betemit is 8 of his last 45 with 15 strikeouts.
HOW CAN THEY DO THAT TO ANDY PHILLIPS: Pudge Rodriguez will wear No. 12.
Check back for lots of updates and Pudge audio after his press conference.
* * * * * MINOR TRADE FOR YANKS * * * * *
4:13 p.m.: INF Alberto Gonzalez to the Nationals for RHP Jhonny Nunez.
UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: Nunez is 2-8, 5.22 for AA Harrisburg. He’s 22.
Meanwhile three of the four players obtained for Randy Johnson (Gonzalez, Luis Vizcaino and Ross Ohlendorf) are gone and Steven Jackson isn’t much of a prospect. But they did get a draft pick for Vizcaino, which proved to be Jeremy Bleich.
* * * * * MANNY RAMIREZ HAS BEEN TRADED * * * * * *
So says the Boston Globe. No details yet. Seems to be the Dodgers. This may be the best news for the Yankees all day.
UPDATE, 4:30 p.m.: Meanwhile, back in the Bronx, here is audio from Pudge Rodriguez’s press conference:
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OK, back later with updates.
UPDATE, 4:37 p.m.: IT’S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT
Was this is the greatest trade deadline or what? Sabathia, Harden, Nady, Blanton, Teixeira, Pudge Rodriguez, Griffey, Manny. Holy smoke!
Sounds like it’s Manny to the Dodgers and Jason Bay to the Red Sox. Jason Bay is a decent player but he’s no Manny. Good news for the Yankees.
UPDATE, 4:46 p.m.: Here is what it seems to be:
Red Sox get: OF Jason Bay.
Pirates get: RHP Bryan Morris and INF Andy LaRoche from the Dodgers, RHP Craig Hansen and OF Brandon Moss from the Red Sox. Maybe another Dodgers prospect, too.
Dodgers get: Manny Ramirez and $7 million from Boston.
The team options were taken off Manny’s deal. He also will agree to decline arbitration so they can get draft picks when he becomes a FA.
I get it that Boston wanted to get rid of Manny. But the Red Sox traded three players (including Manny Ramirez) and $7 million for Jason Bay. That’s a hell of a lot for Jason Bay.
* * * * * EDWAR RAMIREZ SUSPENDED * * * * *
6:01 p.m.: Edwar Ramirez was suspended for three games for throwing at Kevin Millar. He appealed.
Daniel Cabrera got six games for actualling hitting A-Rod.
The Yankees have now had five players suspended this season for various offenses.
UPDATE, 6:20 p.m.: Here is the latest on our old pal Phil Hughes. He will pitch for Single-A Charleston on Saturday and be elevated to 50 pitches. Hughes could be a handful of starts away from being ready.
Cashman mentioned Hughes, Kennedy and Aceves as possible options in the rotation.
UPDATE, 6:22 p.m.: Here is some bonus audio for you. Brian Cashman’s interview from today. C-Money talks about what did happen and what didn’t. He would not bite on commenting about Manny.
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UPDATE, 6:24 p.m.: Shameless plug: I will be on ESPN News around 6:45 p.m.
UPDATE, 7:02 p.m.: Huge cheer for Pudge when the lineup was introduced.
Is you listened to the audio, you could tell how excited he was to be here.
This is a huge game for the Yankees. With Rasner and Ponson pitching in this series, they need Pettitte and Moose to win their games. The Yankees can’t expect to win the season series against the Angels with six of the games on the road, but they need to go 5-5 anyway. Just hold your own.
UPDATE, 7:07 p.m.: Lt. General Ray Odierno threw out the first pitch. He was the head of the division that captured Saddam Hussein in Iraq and will soon be the Army’s top man there.
UPDATE, 7:12 p.m.: OK, gang, I have a ton of newspaper work to go. I’ll update some later on. Enjoy the game.
Oh, and the Yankees have signed RHP Victor Zambrano to a minor-league deal. He’ll stay in Tampa and work out. He’s one of the huddled masses yearning to breathe major league air. I doubt he’s a realistic option for this season as he’s coming off surgery.
UPDATE, 8:05 p.m.: Hmm, it would seem Pudge and Pettitte have some kinks to iron out. One thing about Andy this season, when he gives it up, he really gives it up.
UPDATE, 8:10 p.m.: How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going? The Yankees are down 6-0, he’s made five trips to the mound to talk to Pettitte and he just stuck out on four pitches in his first at-bat. Other than that, it has been great.
UPDATE, 10:24 p.m.: Sorry for the lacks of updates. Bad game and lots of newspaper work to do.
The Yankees have had some brutal pitching the last five games, just awful. While getting Nady and Rodriguez were no-brainer moves, this team will rise or fall on the strength of the five starters and right now, they’re struggling (outside of Joba).
Back with some reaction and other notes.
That is a MASHER Line-up….NICE !
thats a better looking lineup than it was 2 weeks ago
poor andy phillips lol
Not 21? Wonder why… not!
( with the exception of Melky, though )
Great lineup tonight. Nothing against Molina, love what he brings to the table, but this lineup looks a lot better.
The Dream Team!
Deadline up in 20 minutes.
Huh? Cano had 2 RBI on Tuesday…
Don’t forget that was Boggs’ number too… He better wear it proud!
WELCOME BACK MURDERES ROW!!!! PLUS CANO!!! YEAH BABY YEAH!
We *so* have to fix that.
Not to question Pete, but didnt Cano get 2 rbi in the bottom of the 8th against the O’s when they lost 7-6?
Argh, why not put Nady between Giambi and Cano?
In pudge we trust…
Wow, if K’s here hits, Betemit would be batting .333…
OKk soo when we go hitless through 5 are we gonna crazy on the hitters
Man – they are just throwing him [Pudge] in there…
Wonder how Molina is handling it…
Plus – ESPN is still asking “Wonder if Bay goes anywhere in the next 20 mins” – are you kidding me?
this some BS, Chris Britton again
Pudge looks good in that lineup.
Also, here’s hoping Moeller clears waivers and the Yankees can resign him.
And Bobby is crazy hot.
haha, How can they do that to Andy Phillips?
I’m predicting 2-4 with a HR from I-Rod in his debut
I’d bet they save 21 for the return of Phil Hughes…
Agreed, AlbanyYankee.
Cano and Nady should flip to make Sciosca think more about his lefty-righty bullpen options.
Murderer’s Row + Cano worked out really well when we lost in 4 games to Detroit
I am sick of Chris Britton. Why no Bruney.
that lineup is tremendous!
Pirates and Rays denying trade has been done
Damn, that’s a sick lineup.
Murders Row and then Melky. Common Melky get hot!
Why is nobody else reporting this trade?
Melky doesnt=Murderers Row
Murderers Row + Melky maybe.
Hughes is going to wear #65 when he comes back
Play Justin Christian…PLEASE sit Cabrera. For the love of GOD SIT CABRERA.
IROD 12, AROD 13 … We just need KROD 11.
Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Bay deal is not done.
“Shortstop Reid Brignac and right-hander Jeff Niemann are among the players the Rays have offered, sources say, but the Pirates are looking to replace Niemann with another pitcher while adding other prospects.”
This makes more sense. Niemann an ok prospect but not enough for Bay if the other main piece is Brignac.
But at this point who knows what’s going on.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....around-MLB
Andy Phillips was the nicest guy ever to play as a Yankee.
Josh Phelps put a bag of burning dog poop on my doorstep and ran away. Meanest guy I’ve ever met.
“And Bobby is crazy hot.”
I wonder if that has anything to do with the Nady acquisition. Aren’t contract years grand?
nice. we just got thru our ‘boston hangover’. and for the Angels, it’s just starting!
“Murderer’s Row + Cano worked out really well when we lost in 4 games to Detroit”
Don’t bring back bad memories. That hurts my head.
Bay not gone?
“Why is nobody else reporting this trade?”
if you are refering to Bay/Rays, its not official yet.
Thanks a lot for not trading me.. I will show you what i got.. I am insanely good outfielder and from here on out i will get clutch hits.. Now all the pressure is gone leave me a lone and i will start producing.
From the Melk Man…
Lets go Melkster i believe in you
MLBtraderumors says Bay to Rays not a done deal.
This is going to be a huge series, one of the biggest of the year. Pitching needs to be fantastic for us to win the series.
Pudge’s splits vs the angels this yr.
vs.LAA 23 1 3 1 0 0 1 0 0 3 0 0 .130 .130 .174 .304
Girardi said He wants to Keep Cano 6th because thats when he got HOT and wants to keep him there, so thats why it goes Giambi, Cano.
Does this mean stealthman is done dealing?
but michelle, do you have his splits against the Angels…. at Yankee Stadium?
If Tampa can’t pull off the Bay deal big plus for the yankees. He’s a very good fit there.
The Rays have been notorious for making absurd trade demands.
Now Friedman’s in a very different position – instead of being a seller at the deadline the Rays are buyers – very different role.
Lets see if he can pull off a deal.
How about offering the Sox Giambino, Melky & a prospect for Manny?
C’mon, there’s still 7 minutes left!
SoS: apparently for now. what a shame. we still need a real option at the back of the rotation.
I like the Yankees line-up. Whether Rodriquez or Molina catches this week-end, the Angels should not be able to run against the Yankees like they have in the past.
Lets hope Britton stays for good. He has been pitching actually pretty good in Scranton. He pitched 3 scoreless innings Monday night when I saw Scranton play
Pudge’s splits at yankee stadium this yr
9 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 .222 .222 .333 .555
Hmph, wonder if the Pirates tried putting on pressure to get the other deal going their way.
His name is I. Rodriguez, not P. Rodriguez. Pudge is not his name :-p
But I know, you’ll write what you want and that’s fine
I’ll be content with a split.
It’ll be two wins more than Boston had against them, anyway.
Go Yanks!
That lineup is very dangerous. I like the look of the team, let’s see if they can execute. I would feel better about the playoffs if Sir Syd and Rasner weren’t our #4 and #5.
I think Boston is going to go down in flames by keeping Manny. Yanks and Rays will be fighting it out for the AL East!
id be VERY surprised if an interesting trade popped up in the next 10 minutes… i’ve been skeptical all day, i think Cash is going to stop while he’s ahead… I mean, they’re probably trying to avoid another teary-eyed session saying goodbye to another family member… I think they are going to rely on the pitching we currently have…. for once, i’m really hoping im wrong.
did anyone check out Pudge’s last 10 games… He has 2 perfect nights (going 4-4).. has any yankee gone 4-4 once in the last ten games?
about 5 mins left…the clock is ticking…will bosox make a move,
btw I wonder how manny is feeling
Its going to be really odd seeing Pudge catch for the Yankees tonight.
I am willing to bet Pudge heats up a bit…he likes the limelight.
Well, we’ll have to deal with Manny for another three months.
But we still have the two great deals we made. That 7-8-9 looks a lot better than our 7-8-9 a week ago. We have a new manager and two catchers who can gun down runners. This is the night to start a new trend against the Angels.
Christian > Melky
Christian has killer speed and looks to have good gap power and has good ABs… only 1 strikeout this year in 24 ABs.
Shouldn’t it be “I. Rodriguez”?
Tank…you’re the second…I am going to start a petition.
Any chance Britton actually gets some action this time? I like what I’ve seen from him in the limited time he’s pitched.
This is an important series. Even if NY wins it 3-1 this could be our ALDS matchup if NY ends up settling for the wild card. Every game from here on out weighs more & more on where the team ends up in the standings & playoffs.
Winning this series rather than splitting it goes a long way towards overtaking Boston AND Tampa, and putting a potential Angels match up off until the ALCS. I know you’re not supposed to hope to avoid a team, but you’d almost always rather meet the favorite later in the playoffs. Besides, if they don’t play each other in the first round, they’d most likely meet one round later anyways.
That they won’t see Joba this time may hurt us this weekend but it should work in our favor if the teams meet in either round of the playoffs. If they don’t meet until the ALCS, Joba could potentially pitch one more game than he might have the opportunity to in the ALDS. As for this weekend, they get one less look at Joba before then.
the closest any yankee has come to 4 for 4 in the last 10 days is abreu – who is 3 for 5 and 3 for 4
“Christian > Melky
Christian has killer speed and looks to have good gap power and has good ABs… only 1 strikeout this year in 24 ABs.”
Stop making sense or the Yankees might try to kill you.
why do you honestly care if Pete put him in the lineup as P. Rod or I. Rod? either way we all know who he is reffering to. This is his blog, let him do what he wishes without trying to knit pick. I can assure you he’s aware of the guys first name. there are much better things to be focusing on right now…
So I’m kind of cautious about thinking about this as a bad trade deadline for Boston…
…what do you think? Is it me or did Boston perform poorly this year?
Also, nicknames are fine in baseball. B.J. Upton’s first name is Melvin I think. Would you want G. Ruth instead of B. Ruth? etc…
OH how I hate playing the Angels. Please take 2 YANKS!!!
LOVE the lineup tonight!!
Looks like we didn’t get our pitcher… but not everything’s been announced.
THATS ALL FOLKS
“Is it me or did Boston perform poorly this year?”
Theo had his hands tied up trying to deal with Manny and couldn’t address the real problems. I love it!
CUYanks: thank you for further prooving my point. I’m glad you added that perspective!
Four come and gone.
I honestly think the new Girardi regime will exorcise the Angels curse. Let’s go 2-2 this weekend as our pitching is questionable. Would be rolling in the weeds if we went 3-1.
Chet
I hate all the -Rod copycats. Can’t he just be Pudge?
that was a rather disappointing deadline after all the excitement last night
I am still not sold that Ramirez staying is a bad thing for the Sox. I think he’ll come to his senses (after meeting with his agent), and realize that he’ll hurt his free-agency value if he dogs it. As a result, I am still scared of his bat against the Yankees in a big spot.
thanks for distracting your GM with another failed triple super deal that he couldnt pull off.
red sox holes filled = 0
mets holes filled = 0 lolomar
Shouldnt it be R.Rod? As in Rent a Rod.
I’d be happy with a split. Winning 3 games would leave me besides myself. A sweep would send me into cardiac arrest.
Bay may be headed to Boston again
The Washington Nationals today acquired shortstop Alberto Gonzalez from the New York Yankees in exchange for minor-league right-handed pitcher Jhonny Nunez. Gonzalez is expected to report to Washington, DC on Friday and be in uniform for the Nationals’ series opener vs. Cincinnati. Nationals Senior Vice President and General Manager Jim Bowden made the announcement.
HAH, Rent-a-Rod.
I like it!
Now Rosenthal is saying Bay to Boston after all. This is nuts.
The Washington Nationals today acquired shortstop Alberto Gonzalez from the New York Yankees in exchange for minor-league right-handed pitcher Jhonny Nunez. Gonzalez is expected to report to Washington, DC on Friday and be in uniform for the Nationals’ series opener vs. Cincinnati. Nationals Senior Vice President and General Manager Jim Bowden made the announcement.
are you serious?
Whoaa!
Who’s knitting picks?
No Bay to Tampa or do they get extra time to consummate the deal if they’re already all hot and bothered about it?
I’m around a bunch of Orioles fans and they’re not happy we got Pudge.
And I’m around one Red Sox fan and he doesn’t know whether he should be happy or not, whatever happens.
Looks like the Bay trade did not go through. From Rosenthal at 3:49
“The Rays’ pursuit of Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is off “unless a miracle happens,” according to a source close to the negotiations.”
I’d guess that those earlier rumors were false and that Pittsburgh was holding out for Jeremy Hellickson instead of Niemann. Looks like the Rays wouldn’t budge on Hellickson. Reports were that they’d deemed him untouchable.
People don’t like dealing with the rays – they label a lot of players untouchable and Friedman hasn’t been flexible about doing deals in the past.
He’s in a different role now – they needed to be buyers and Bay was perfect. Right handed and very affordable.
The P-Rod nickname is funny especially next to A-Rod. Unless Pudge breaks Pete’s arm over it there should be nothing wrong with it. He’ll probably be cool with it.
You could also update the I-Rod thing to iRod. But that only works with a visual.
Serious about the AG?
and what’s the source on Bay?
Boy, Millar talked alot about Edwar for having struck out 3 times in 4 ABs against him.
How does Omar explain to Met fans that he didn’t make a run at Bay?
So i guess we will never know if Manny was traded
Three way Manny deal is back on!!!!!
My observations.. If the rays did not get bay they are fools.. they have tons of prospects and are in the position to make the playoffs this year and they should have given up some non david price prospects to make a run.. bay while not great is a
good player and will help them.
The yanks need to seriously look at axing Ponson immediately, I don see what they see. yes he has won but his peripherals are terrible..aceves, kennedy, hghes, etc. better be ready to get moved u.
cashman seriously helped the Yanks but the backend of the rotation is still a BIG problem.
they Yanks need to win tonight, this is there best matchup to win in the series, the Garland is very hittable…..
3:02pm: Rosenthal stirs things up: the three-headed Manny-Bay-Hermida deal is back on.
yanks should of gotten harden
Thats 4:02 EST.
I want to put a disclaimer on what I’m about to write: this time last year, Boston looked like a clear winner at the deadline, adding Gagne to what seemed like a killer relief-corps, while the Yankees missed out on a high-impact relief arm (Joba made that unnecessary a couple of weeks later, obviously).
Nonetheless, it certainly looks like Boston’s the loser if they stand pat. Now, they could afford to, because before this last week, Boston’s had a team that was arguably the one to beat in the AL. The Angels acquiring Teixeira obviously complicates that.
I’m not convinced Boston *needed* to move Manny; time will obviously tell on that. I think, based on circumstances that might have been beyond their control, the Red Sox did miss a chance to really shore up LF for the next few years without sacrificing their postseason chances this season, however.
Even if Bay doesn’t go to the Rays (and it looks like the deal is off), I do think the Red Sox were outmaneuvered at this year’s deadline by the Yankees, at least as it came to a bullpen arm. Boston would have loved to add a Marte, and having him off the market likely affected the supply dyanamics of the market and the asking price on other relievers that were potentially available.
Again, with the disclaimer that it seemed Boston won the TD on paper last year, and while Boston did win a World Series, it wasn’t because of the trade it swung.
I am just throwing this out guys. Say Pudge has a great 2 months and handles are staff and great and the players love him and he becomes a leader, and his energy is none that we have seen since O’Neil. Do we bring him back to play 1st? or Catch and use Posada as a DH or 1b?? I say Yes, I think the Yanks can sign TEX play him at 1st and let Abreu go and us a combo or Damon and Jorge at DH.. I think Pudge is a great fit for us in alot of ways. I am routing for him big time and think he will become a fan favorite. get those PUDGE shirts printed cause I want one
i blame the marlins for this trade falling through. i hope they finish 4th in the nl east and are contracted next season
Hey Pete!
No matter how much you or any of the other Ponson haters on this forum try to rationalize it, unless Washburn is part of a trade in the next several minutes, you all got it wrong.
This by the way is of little moment only because the deals are ultimately made by the Yankees and not the forum posters.
If we get Washburn and Ponson goes away in the next several minutes, I am going to be here to say I really got it wrong. Otherwise there is not a question that I (and other objective posters on this forum without a Ponson axe to grind) were able to be lucid enough to interpret reality.
So there!
No. 12? Andy Phillips? How can they do that to Alberto Gonzalez!!
They should have gotten closer to Pudge’s No. 7 and given him No. 6.
They AREN’T retiring it for Torre, no way, no how. Especially the way they split. Thanks but he’s gone. Move on.
We’re running out of numbers to retire anyway.
Scrolled up a little … Did we really trade Gonzalez? I didn’t see that anywhere …
http://minors.baseball-referen.....?pid=32001
Jhonny Nunez statistics… nothing special.
Ken Rosenthal:
Well, I guess that was it then…we have to deal with Manny being Manny for the rest of the season.
Laura- The MEts did not want to part with MArtinez and Niese and thats all they have in their system.
What I just wrote gets blown up if Fla/Bos/Pit three-way actually happens.
What I just wrote gets blown up if Fla/Bos/Pit three-way actually happens.
why would the yanks trade the AG/
They need a defensive replacement in case… They need more pitching prospects???They have tons of pitching they need position guys…..
manny trade is dead again per mlbtr
heres hoping manny pulls a TO and sits the rest of the year
gonzalez to nats jhonny nunez that is what si says
I hate the fact that Manny will still be there to kill us. Ugh.
Question
Isnt Garland a lefty? If so. Why isnt Bringing Sexy back in there?
And now the three-way is dead again. LOL
Garland is a righty.
Phoenix- There is difference. The Sox dont have a Joba.
“Also, nicknames are fine in baseball. B.J. Upton’s first name is Melvin I think.”
Yeah, but if B.J. Upton was a girl, it’s not as great of a nickname.
“Laura- The MEts did not want to part with MArtinez and Niese and thats all they have in their system.”
I love it that our farm system is a lot deeper theirs.
Manny is only lucky that the Sux are heading out of town – though I’m not sure he wouldn’t still get a heroes welcome by the fenway faithful the next time he gets a hit.
What a sick sick situation.
Trisha,
I don’t always agree with your perspective which is not surprising because I am obviously a Sox fan.
But I still wanted to say that the posting last night attacking you was harsh and unjustified.
I didn’t say anything last night because I didn’t want to engage in a debate with the person who made the posting.
hmm, nice balance in the lineup now.
1) Damon – Lefty
2) Jeter – Righty
3 – Abreau – Lefty
4) Arod – Righty
5) Giambi – Lefty
6) Nady – Righty
7) Cano lefty
8) Pudge Righty
9) Melky – Switch
the only way i think this trade is true is if the trade for nunez and send him to seattle thtas the only thing i can see
The AG trade opens a spot on the 40.
It goes Giambi, Cano,Nady
No matter what happenned with Manny the Red Sox came up seriously short this trade deadline.
Until a few days ago Boston’s biggest need was to sure up its awful bull pen.
Their pen is awful and they have no one in the minors to call up and help at the major league level.
And to make things worse for them their entire plan to move justin masterson to the pen depended on Clay Bucchholz pitching well enough to stay in the rotation. Bucchholz has pitched poorly again after his recent call up from AAA.
The impact of Manny staying or going is hard to gauge right now. I never thought that deal would go through.
Regardless, Boston’s inability to add to their bull pen is an enormous short coming.
No way a decent reliever will clear waivers. They are going to have to go with what they have in the pen.
NESN reporting that Francona just left Fenway.
Would seem to indicate that there will be no announcement of a trade.
Window dressing by Boston
no matter what deals come out in the next hr or so, this has been the most fun I have had at deadline day in many years….I wore the F5 off my laptop…
“9) Melky – Switch”
From asleep to awake soon, I hope.
no matter what deals come out in the next hr or so, this has been the most fun I have had a deadline day in many years….I wore the F5 off my laptop…
Manny will get put on the waiver wire we all know this its just gonna be interesting to see if anyone is willing to pick up his contract, I think Philly will
with a-gon – gone – -who is our up and coming shortstop?
Fox sports is reporting the Bay deal is not happening.
Yankees acquired RHP Johnny Nunez from the Nationals for shortstop Alberto Gonzalez.
Anyone have anything on Nunez?????
Nick Green.
A-Gon was an up and coming shortstop? Am I missing something?
This was window dressing by the Boston Red Sox
They are saying that some deals may have been made, but not reported yet. I’m standing by my prediction from days ago. Manny will continue to be a Red Sox when it’s all said and done.
I’m disappointed about the Manny non-trade.
AGON for Nunez? I guess Cash wanted to give back to the mlb community for stealing 3 players in a week.
Ghost of Scooter,
Time heals all wounds. Joe Torre’s number will eventually be retired by the Yankees.
Nunez has awful stats in AA ball. I thought AG might be a serviceable utility player in MLs, so why they would give him away for a guy who in addition to being mediocre at best, can’t spell his first name correctly.
Goodbye to the AG.
NESN reporting that some kind of trade has gone down with Manny.
“heres hoping manny pulls a TO and sits the rest of the year”
Whether he pulled one or not…he can still fake it. Manny would be great for Hollywood.
Tells me the Yankees are happy with the progress of Ramiro Pena in AA for them to move Gonzalez.
CB,
Where do you see tha Sox finishing this year? I can see it being dei ja vou all over again. Finishing 3rd.
I never though I’d say this but I feel bad for the Sox fans. Here is one of their favorite players not only disrespecting their team but he’s disrespecting baseball. No one needs a player like that…
pat sorry – i didnt include the “i was being sarcastic” tag
Why was the General traded? I thought he was a great utility infielder.
Dodger trade for manny
WFAN Manny to Dodgers
If the Red Sox put Manny on waivers again, he will get claimed. The Mets, Dodgers, Phillies, etc. will all claim him and then it’s back to Theo working out a deal which he couldn’t do today.
There is no way they are putting Manny on irrevocable waivers where the other team just takes him and his salary, unless he creates a scene in the next few weeks and/or Boston is no longer in contention.
Breaking News- Manny has been traded to Dodgers
Manny to Dodgers done.
not good
“A-Gon was an up and coming shortstop? Am I missing something?”
I think he lacked a good bat. My problem is couldnt we have gotten something better for him? Dont the dodgers need a shortstop?
Manny was traded to the Dodgers!
Michelle(long time reader, Not so Seldom Poster) I Love It’s Its July 31st, 2008 at 4:17 pm
with a-gon – gone – -who is our up and coming shortstop?
I believe that title belongs to carmen angelini…
Manny just got traded according to Gordon Edes, via Sports Radio WEEI Boston. I just heard it. No details yet, not even a team.
Manny to Dodgers according to WFAN…
Manny to LAD? Unreal. I can’t believe it. Did they get Matt Kemp?
Manny to the Dodgers?
Ray, thanks for that. And I don’t blame you for not wanting to get into it with the poster who said whatever he or she did. (Incidentally I’m really not too hard on the eyes so I am assuming that the “ugly ugly ugly” referred to my humanity – or lack thereof…
)
You need to have a thick skin to differ with the screaming hoardes here because as you can imagine as a statement of reality, the more emotionally unstable a person is, the harder it is to have any kind of rational discussion with the person. There are a ton of posters here who become emotionally unstable whenever the Yankees have less than a no-hit, 20-run shutout. I think you’ve probably seen it. When certain posters have their sights set on a player they really want to kill, all that player has to do is have a bad game or two and it is all over.
People who operate on a larger spectrum, and that would mean always looking at the big picture rather than taking any snapshot in time as an immutable statement of hereonin, have the ability to deal with imperfect moments and imperfect games.
I interrupt my boring story to report that I am listening to EEI and they have said a deal HAS gone down with Manny. Don’t know if it’s right or wrong, but stay tuned!
Anyway Ray, thanks for saying what you did. I usually have the ability to call things pretty much right because I seriously can be objective as opposed to emotional, but what I say doesn’t necessarily satisfy peoples’ desire for blood when, say, one of our pitchers gives up a run!
Well, I guess I was wrong. Manny is a Dodger.
so glad ESPN is on top of this what a waste of a network
link on manny-dodgers?
Manny to Dodgers done.
holy cow…Manny’s era in Boston is done!!!
wow, what is torre gonna do with a 36 yr old child….
MANNY TO DODGERS!!!
MANNY TO DODGERS!!!
MANNY TO DODGERS!!!
MANNY TO DODGERS!!!
MANNY TO DODGERS!!!
MANNY TO DODGERS!!!
Mike Mussina rejoice!!
HAVE FUN WITH MANNY JOE TORRE!
He’s gonna need a lot more that the west coast has to offer than green tea. Like a ton of maryjane!
whos in the deal? come on people
I can hardly quibble about Manny going to the NL.
But don’t let it be Kemp.
Man f**k this give us back Gonzo !
manny to the dodgers for whom?
How nice of ESPN to have golf on during the trade deadline (for those of us who don’t have ESPN news)
I dought they got kemp there manigment said numerous times hes untouchable i think its etheir and some other specs
NESN reporting the same
sweet lord, i hope this is true…please not for kemp…please for ethier…
Jon Heyman reporting Manny to LA on cnn.com.
Manny for Ethier straight up and I’m throwing a party tonight
Wow I don’t know how to feel… Lets see who the Sox get…
WFAN said Jon Heyman from SI reorted it and he is going to be on WFAN in a minute
Manny to Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you God in heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If anyone can handle Manny, its Torre.
If this rumor is true its a huge plus for the Yanks (IMO).
I don’t care how much of a distraction he was to Boston’s team. As a Yankees fan I’m thrilled to see Manny gone.
If they got Kemp, he’s a very good player, but for this year at least. He doesn’t make up Manny’s production.
I know it won’t be Andruw Jones but until i hear otherwise, I’m loving the fantasy.
Jhonny Nunez
http://minors.baseball-referen.....?pid=32001
looks like a decent pickup.
Unless they pulled back Kershaw, Billingsley, Broxton or Kemp, this is going to hurt.
He’s gone! Pete, tell Moose he’s gone!
Torre will love this guy
If this is true, we are very lucky.
Come on Ethier
“I dought they got kemp there manigment said numerous times hes untouchable i think its etheir and some other specs”
It would make sense. Kemp for two months of Manny would be madness.
Maybe the M’s want Nunez?
I just want to know if Torre will hold Manny’s bat for him?
Peter, if they got nothing for the big unic that is OK.. but the guys they got got them other people and picks and they saved $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
they minimized a big mistake..
vizciano is dominating at Colorado!!!!!!!!!!Just kidding he is what most relief pitchers is a yr. to year up and down situation…
Pete,
To be fair re: the RJ deal, they got a year out of Viz, the draft pick, and Nady and Marte from the Pirates by being able to spin off Ohlendorf in that deal.
So, its a year of the Viz, the pick, Nady, Marte and Nunez (minor league filler guy) for RJ.
Plus, they didn’t have to pay him the final 16 million on his deal.
All in all, not bad.
Please no Kemp in the AL East.
WFAN, NESN, and SI.com
Congratulations Ray and other Sox fans here. I sincerely feel you and the Red Sox organization, the players, and especially Terry Francona, deserved so much better than to have to deal with the loser Manny had become.
Boras got his way, but now maybe the team can go back to focusing on winning. Despite what anyone else may have said or think, Manny is NOT the Red Sox and Manny is NOT the reason the Sox won the WS championships that they did.
Torry managing Manny? Mattingly is his hitting coach? Whoa wierdness…
From what I can see, Jhonny Nunez was 2-8 with a 5.22 ERA in low-A ball this year, but he had 82Ks in 81 IP. He was then moved to AA Harrisburg and moved to the bullpen, where he has a 1.13 ERA over 5 appearances, striking out 8 in 8 innings.
Ugh – I liked AG. For a system already short on position players why on earth did they trade for another pitcher, let alone a mediocre AA one?? I’d much rather have gotten rid of Betemint!
After dealing with George for 12 years, Torre is probably the man most equipped to deal with Manny.
for who?
and ESPN News still has not one mention of this I thought their guys were INSIDERS
this is crazy seriously Manny talks wow.
Jason Bay from the Dodgers for Manny.
Nothing on ESPN News either.
I love how ESPN has not even reported it. There are these 3 dunces with Linda Cohen talking about Jason Bay while SI is reporting on Manny to LA. Morons.
Heyman will be on FAN any minute now.
stop talking about nunez, who cares
Boston Globe is saying Sox might have landed Bay.
Jason Bay is involved wit the manny trade
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
please don’t be kemp
Can’t wait to see how Manny gets along with Larry Bowa!
NESN saying the Manny trade is a 3 way deal and Bay might still be going to Boston
“Jason Bay from the Dodgers for Manny.”
/me slaps forehead
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
Forget Boston it’s just the Rays now.We should just worrying about them.Now Ortiz is weaker.And we don’t have to face the Post-Season home run leader.
Manny will not be a problem.He wants a 4 year contract he will be in he’s best behavior.WE can get Manny next year.
Just what the Yankees needed – another mediocre C-level righthand pitcher to go with the other 201 that they can’t find a spot for!
I would’ve traded Wilson Betemit instead of AG..they hit about the same, but Alberto knows how to use a glove!
Now they r saying it’s a 3 team deal between Sox -Dodgers-Pirates
Bay is part of 3 way deal…
heyman reported it at 420 and its 431 now and espn doesnt have it yet!
Bay to the Red Sox 3 way deal
I am ticked my Phillies didnt do a darn thing and he wanted to go there
Joe Torre calling Terry Francona in his best Nancy Kerrigan voice saying, “Why, why, why”?
I like this deal if I’m the Pirates and they ended up with Ethier and prospects.
Dear Lord,
Thank you.
Love,
Everyone but Boston fans
Awww..I like Gonzo..It wasn’t a smart move by Cashman. Jeter is 32 going on 42 and now the team doesn’t have any back up options if he gets hurt. Cashman has gotten too pitcher happy and now they have no infield options.
If the Sox got Bay instead of Kemp, I’m happy
Lets see if Boston gets Bay I see the big losers this week being the Rays who got nothing
ESPN has the “latest on Brett Favre” coming up. Yeah, they’re all over this. Hot list? They might think about retitling that.
The Red Sox traded Manny Ramirez to the Dodgers late Thursday afternoon, SI.com has learned.
Jason Bay is headed to Boston as part of the deal, SI.com has learned.
Damn. Not as excited as before thinking they got ethier or kemp
oh well, we’ve been prepared for bay for the past day now
I’ll bet Jack Wilson is also involved, going from Pitt to LAD.
Matt Kemp?
The fact that it’s 3-way again leaves me a bit more skeptical that it doesn’t fall apart. Looks good though. I’m much happier with Bay than with Kemp.
Bye Bye Manny!!!
Torre is probably flipping out WHYYYYY
You just KNOW that when ESPN reports this in 15 minutes they’ll declare that “ESPN’s own Buster Olney first reported the story.” ESPN, everyone’s laughing at you.
Tampa blew it in love with all there prospects. the yhave about 15 of them so they could afford to trade a few.
sux get bay, and good player but not in Manny’s world. Tampa gets jack… they will regret ther non move, getting bay would have helped tampa and hurt the sux..
friedman and the rays management are just to cheap…brignac and niemann or whoever. Brignac is not the next jeter they are fools….
Any reason we didn’t get a prospect closer to the bigs for AG? And, boy do I hope this Manny thing is true. It would be good for our old friend Joe.
WFAN saying 4 prospects to Pittsburgh. Heyman trying to get details before coming on.
Funny how every thing comes full circle. Now Joe Torre manages Manny. I could see Larry Bowa hitting Manny with a bat.
Forget about this news. It isnt as important as…Brandon. How did you get the words to go out of the box? Seriously.
ESPN has the “latest on Brett Favreâ€
Maybe he’s part of Manny deal after all…
Manny out of the AL?
Wow.
Why does ESPN shove NFL down our throats? We are right in the heat of the trade deadline… nobody cares about Farve or T.O.
Kemp is good but why is there such massive love for him on this blog? Don’t get me wrong, he’s young and has great talent but he won’t help the Sox as much as Bay would this season. In the future obviously Kemp would be a better pickup but looking at this season alone Bay would be my choice.
Manny to the Dodgers! Perfect.
It might be a tree way trade with pitts,boston,and La
4 prospects to the Pirates. So it’s quantity from LA, not quality.
Great point by Roberts. The pressure on Bay (whose ability to handle it is already questioned) is going to be mammoth.
can we have a ticker tape parade?
The Nady/Marte deal, Pudge Rodiguez, Manny deal are three of the biggest deadline trades to affect one team in a long time. (Granted, the manny deal affects the red sox more, but it also helps the yankees)
And ESPN is still reporting….Brett Farve. Frankly, Brett Farve’s face is annoying the piss out of me
Yankees sooo need to groom a shortstop of the future soon…
Hmmm, something I don’t understand:
Wouldn’t it have been smarter for the Dodgers, who basically have a young team that is only going to get better, to straight up trade for Bay instead of Manny?
He would be under their control longer and isn’t that much worse right now…
sorry….FAV-RE
there is no way the dodgers traded kemp…andre ethier definitely, but not kemp.
NESN is reporting that the sox are getting bay and have not mentioned anything about them getting kemp or any other dodgers
Yeah that was pretty cool that Brandon’s woo extended the length of my browser.
“Torre is probably flipping out WHYYYYY”
Torre is happy why would he be flipping out? manny is a great hitter
Have Manny former teammates started trashing him yet? Quick – get a mike to Youk!
kemp would have been painful because he’s super young with super star potential. that’s cost-controlled talent for a loooong time.
Dodgers get Manny
Sox get Jason Bay
Pirates get 4 prospects
That’s all that WEEI knows at this point.
Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.
ESPN still talking about Bret Favre
favre just chartered a plane. he also uses Charmin toliet paper and enjoys long walks after dinner..
golf, tennis, and brett favre? are you kidding me espn?
Losing Manny and replacing with Bay is not terrible, but it’s a downgrade. Manny may be one of the toughest outs in the game. Ortiz-Manny is much, much scarier than Ortiz-Bay.
And, to make things worse, Jason Bay is now the guy the Red Sox traded their beloved Manny for. That’s pressure.
Bay is no slouch. But Bay is no Manny. As this is a clear downgrade, it is good news for the Yankees.
I’m still in shock over this. BOS made a big mistake. Bay is alright, but he’s no Manny. Still, this is great news for Yankee fans. Now, there’s one less Yankee killer to worry about.
IT’S CELEBRATION TIME !!
Who cares about Alberto Gonzalez?
The return is irrelevant, we needed to clear room on the 40… not only for guys like Washburn, Aceves, Melancon this year but we have a ton of rule-5 eligible guys this off-season.
Manny to LA.
LA minor leaguers to Pirates.
Bay to Boston.
How long until Bay has some goofy facial hair?
Peter,
They did trade Ohlendorf for Nady/Marte.
I would think Epstein wanted Ramirez out of the AL…nothing like him possibly coming back to kill them.
WOW jason bay hes gonna struggle like nady
Heyman:
The Red Sox traded embattled slugger Manny Ramirez to the Dodgers late Thursday afternoon, SI.com has learned.
Jason Bay is headed to Boston as part of the deal, SI.com has learned. The Pirates will get four minor leaguers in the three-way trade.
The Red Sox went back-and-forth with the Marlins and Dodgers as the 4 p.m. ET deadline approached. Ramirez said earlier today, as first reported by SI.com, that he would accept a trade to any team.
The announcement will be made in conjunction with a World Baseball Classic announcement at Dodger Stadium shortly.
So far, no mention of Grabow. He’s gotta still be in it, no?
If not, that hurts more. The Sox still don’t address their need for pen help.
Jason Bay ain’t Manny Ramirez.
Nice player, nothing special, despite what stat geeks will argue.
Bottom line, the Red Sox are hoping Jason Bay can play to a high level in Boston. They KNOW Manny can play at that level.
Either way, it weakens their team. They didn’t address their bullpen needs (unless this deal includes Grabow or other relief help) and, while getting rid of Manny makes the clubhouse happier, it weakens the team.
I didn’t think the Red Sox had the onions to do it. Will be interesting to see how it plays out now.
Wow, if that’s true, the Pirates made out pretty good.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....to-Dodgers
as per Ken
Not the best setup man in baseball Craig Hansen!
Say it ain’t so!
(Gammons sheds a tear and the nation weeps with him)
“NESN reporting that Francona just left Fenway.
Would seem to indicate that there will be no announcement of a trade”
gorilla costume or street clothes?
Wow!! The Dodgers now have an outfield that consist of buffett eating duos. Im sure they will come up with a nickname for Jones and Manny.
I just got done doing my best impression of Paplebum doing the river dance….in my speedo and all.
Good day to be a Yankee fan.
They didn’t do anythig to help their bullpen, did then?
Brandon: Lo llamaste!
Manny traded to Chicago for Griffey who’s in turn sent to Florida who sends a squadron of prospects to Tampa who then trades them to Pittsburgh for Jason Bay. in return Boston gets eight AA prospects collectively from the four other teams in the deal, plus the five prospects it gave to Chicago in the trade package with Manny (who Chicago immediately pawned off on Tampa, Florida and Pittsburgh) plus a player to be named later. When asked about basically trading five prospects away and trading FOR them in the same trade, a flummoxed Theo Epstein was hear to mutter “Whuh? … howinnaheck did they actually pull that trick on me?” Player to be named later decided to pull out of the trade but Chicago’s side said to Boston’s side that they’d honestly keep trying to trade him like Boston was honestly trying to trade Manny in the first place.
Meanwhile, in upstate New York, George Steinbrenner just purchased the entire Northside Little League in Schenectady NY for 5 hundred bucks and a bag of balls, made it an A-ball affiliate of the Yankees (lower case ‘a’, actually), signed Barry Bonds to a minor league deal and assigned him to play there. “If you think he’d hit a lot of HRs over the short porch in Yankee Stadium … “George said “… he’ll hit 357 HR a year there even with games being 6 innings long.”
In other news, five little leaguers were decapitated in practice by line drives hit by the newest member of their team. Investigators are trying to confirm the age of the new player but Robbie Tedesco the coach of the team said he was really really just a normal 12 year old although he’s just a tad larger than normal from using flaxseed oil since birth. Apparently his mom used it to treat diaper rash, and by the age of two the new kid had become so well endowed he was being scouted by pornographic film makers, offering his mom contracts that kick in the day the kid turns 18. As Tedesco rummaged through a few birth certificates to find that of the new player, he mentioned he was petitioning the league to finance new spandex uniforms, as apparently the new kid’s uniform chafed him a little.
I give Bowa three weeks before he and Manny get into it.
why are we talking about brett favre? Manny just got traded and we are talking about brett favre?
Doesn’t Bowa work for the Mariners? He and Torre aren’t married, you know.
Think about how badly BOS wanted to be rid of Manny. They were willing to possibly sacrifice a postseason birth to get rid of him. Talk about wearing out your welcome!!
Guys Brandon knew this and didnt share this with us..
Ortiz say good bye to good pitches to hit. Bay filling in for Ramirez..lol that is a funny one. Bay is nothing special at all. Torre have fun dealing with this crazy person.
NESN:
Hansen and Moss are going to the Pirates, Laroche from the Dodgers
Sox get Bay
Dodgers get MAnny
I don’t think Francona will hit Bay behind Ortiz. Youk will probably be behind Ortiz. Tito is a good manager he knows not to put to much pressure on Bay. Sox have the flexibility as they were used this when Ortiz was out for more than a month and they have flexibility with Youk who can bat anywhere in the lineup.
Did you say that Craig Hansen was in the deal. Now we know why Gammons is not reporting this he cant believe they traded the best set up man in baseball
I live in LA if the dodgers gave up Laroche and some other prospects then they did not give up much…
I forgot about hansen and ellsbury and that great sux system.. also the SS what’s his name playing for Lugo is nothing special either.. I thought the sux system is so great.. they lose hanses for the pen and who do they add???
so the rays trading for bay was complete bullshizzle?
Pirates did well- LaRoche from LA, Hansen and Moss from Boston and Boston paying manny’s salary.
Manny to Dodgers. Craig Hansen, Branden Moss, Andy Laroche, and AA pitcher Morris. Sox get Bay. The red sox traded manny, craig hansen, and branden moss for bay!!!!
Hansen and Moss gone.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Sox got hosed
Dudes. The Red Sox didn’t trade Manny because he can’t play baseball. It’s a little disingenous to declare this a bad trade because Manny’s better than Jason Bay. I seem to recall there being a little something about attitude problems, contract issue, etc. that occurred….every year at this time.
The best one-two punch in any baseball line up is gone!
I’m going to tonite’s game at stadium with a big smile…
Screw Brett Favre I am sick of him.
So Pirates basically got Moss, Hansen & Laroche for Bay..Very good for them. Sox get Bay for 2 months of Manny…not good..not bad either.
Remember… the Dodgers are only getting him for 2 months and that’s it, so obviously thats why didn’t give up much.
Doesn’t B.J. stand for Boss Jr? If so that is a killer nickname.
Best trade season in this team’s history. Nady and Marte for questionable minor leaguers. Pudge for Krazy Kyle. And Manny to the NL. Meanwhile, the Rays have their pants around their ankles. Sox could still win the wildcard, but we’re easy favorites for the division.
Dodgers made a great deal
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ml?eref=T1
So, the Sox give up Manny, Hansen and Moss (who they were trying to trade for Ron Mahay) and only got Bay back in return?
Is that right? Seems a small return for trading Manny, no?
i would of gotten hermida instead pirates killed the deal once again like with the yankees
The best thing about Joe is he controls personalities.. Well here ya go Joe.. here is Manny
nice birdie putt by tom kite on espn, so what’s this about manny?
Go ESPN!:
———
“Manny Ramirez’s stormy relationship with the Boston Red Sox appears to be over.
A baseball source has confirmed Ramirez has been traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers, ESPN.com has learned.”
———-
And who was your “baseball source”? Every other news agency in the free world?
Man-Ram is history.
Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox. With Manny going to the dodgers.
Redsox lost alot wow jason bay for manny
What is Bay’s contract status?
“Hansen and Moss gone.”
Meh on both counts. None of us thought as highly of Hansen as Gammons et al. But the Sox don’t get Grabow to fill his spot? That is rough.
Man said to see that about Hanson he was born and raised in my town got to see him pitch in high school when he was on our school team and his brother will be following his footsteps soon Hanson was a huge Yankee fan also and wanted to get drafted by them
john grabow to the marlins….
So let me get this straight… the Sox go from the greatest RBI guy to the worst RBI guy? lol
and again Peter gammons was wrong
Even better, it stands for “Bossman Jr.”
Man ESPN really blew that one, didn’t they? And they’re supposed to be so connected to the Red Sox front office, I thought.
whats even better, is matt kemp or james loney weren’t involved. thats great.
STFU ABOUT FARVE ESPN!!! I HATE U GUYS
Damien Moss???
Or is it Brandon Moss??
“Nice player, nothing special, despite what stat geeks will argue.”
Chill with the stat geek stuff.
Bay is an all-star player but he’s not Manny Ramirez. Manny is one of the best hitters in the game, even the “stat geeks” will agree with you there.
Bowa and Manny – perfect together.
So lemme get this straight, Craig Hansen, Brandon Moss, Manny Ramirez for Jason Bay??
I think that we may be forgetting something. Getting rid of Manny, while an offensive loss, will be a clubhouse gain for the Crock Sox. They may actually play better with Manny gone. Who knows how much of a distraction his presence was. They may play better than ever now (although I can’t see Ortiz benefiting from this!).
They traded Randy Moss from the Pats, too? This trade is better than I thought.
This is just sad. Apparently the Pirates were desperate to give Jason Bay to the Red Sox. They couldnt find a way to hand him over with the Marlins so they jumped on the Dodgers deal. I cant wait to hear what crap they go in return.
“They didn’t do anythig to help their bullpen, did they?”
They got rid of Hansen. That should help.
lemme get this straight, Craig Hansen, Brandon Moss, Manny Ramirez for Jason Bay??
Its actually Manny, Brandon Moss, Hansenand 7 Mil in cash for Bay.
per Heyman:
Pittsburgh gets Craign Hansen and Brandon Moss, both from Boston, as well as third baseman Andy LaRoche from the Dodgers and a fourth minor leaguer who has yet to be confirmed.
The Red Sox are paying the $7 million remaining on Ramirez’s $20 million salary for this year.
so they trade 3 players for 1 and pay 7 mil on top of that. I guess that’s how much it costs to get rid of a distraction these days.
Jason Bay. The Nation turns it’s lonely eyes to you.
Where the heck is Manny gonna take a piss now?
I’m hearing La Roche is going from LA.
I think the fact that the Red Sox had to pay to get rid of Manny, AND give up Moss and Hansen, suggests that they reeeeeaalllllly wanted him gone. They knew they’d get someone good back, but Manny, Hansen, AND Moss for Bay is just too much.
Best deadline ever? Maybe. If Cashman found a way to land a real starter…
It is Brandon Moss.
This basically confirms that Manny+Boras had a gun to Theo’s head. This was a last minute desperation move. He has to be furious at the Marlins for killing a deal that at least would have gotten him a good lefty in the pen.
Interesting. They lose Manny’s bat, a great wide receiver in Randy Moss and get rid of a bullpen guy as well.
and the miami media is relieved…they are talking about manny like he is a leper… John Grabow is going to the marlins, i am not sure for who yet.
The Sox r better off without Manny…Atleast based on the distraction he has been for them so far this season.
From MLB.com: The Pirates will be announcing a trade shortly, as they are a part of a three-team trade that involves the Pirates, Dodgers and Red Sox. According to an industry source, Manny Ramirez has been dealt to the Dodgers. The Pirates are believed to have gotten Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen from Boston and Bryan Morris and Andy LaRoche, the brother of Pirates’ Adam LaRoche, from Los Angeles. Boston is believed to have received Bay.
“A baseball source has confirmed Ramirez has been traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers, ESPN.com has learned.â€
Big Papi will now lead the World in Intentional BBs!
listen…that’s the sound of Big Papi’s average dropping to .200. No guaranteed fast ball security blanket for Ortiz, now we are going to see the reason why the Twins traded him all those years ago.
He’s an all star player because every team has to have one Patrick.
He’s a decent player. Folks here have twisted his stats so much in the past couple of days, you would think he was Manny Ramirez.
The Red Sox traded a first ballot HOF’er for a decent player. Not an upper level star. Its not a talent for talent trade.
Must mean the Red Sox really did get sick of Manny this time. It must have been really bad in that clubhouse for them to do this deal, given what they got in return.
Essentially, its a one for one deal: Ramirez for Bay.
What’s worse is, the time taken to do this deal, kept the Red Sox from replenishing its real weakness. Their bullpen.
Amazing end to Manny’s career in Boston.
Now, he’s Joe Torre’s problem. Wonder how Torre feels about that today?
Wow, I just saw that Hanley Ramirez was the Red Sox top prospect and they traded him to the Marlins for Beckett and Lowell? (I wasn’t following baseball back then.)
Hmmm…might have been a deal that worked out for both sides but Hanley Ramirez…wow what a player.
And wasn’t Brandon Moss a big prospect as well? So they actually had to part with good talent there…
torre will have fun with manny
Handed over Jason Bay? They get to team up the LaRoche brothers! And, they get the best reliever in the American League, plus a guy that hit a home run in Japan on opening day. They must be ecstatic!
Seriously, though, LaRoche was a bigtime prospect, he struggled this year but they could use a high-upside position player like him.
I can’t wait for the fallout in Boston…no doubt, Bay will be solid, but not like Ramirez. I just want to know what Boras/Ramirez said to Epstein to make him pull this deal out, giving up so much….
I’m just glad to see Manny gone, as any Yanks fan should be. But let’s not forget, Craig Hansen sucks. And Moss is not really even an average player.
I think Epstein did about the best he could do.
But still, so happy to see Manny gone.
Is this for real? Manny to the Dodgers and Matt Kemp still tucked away safely in LA? Can someone post a link verifying that Kemp is not on the move please?
If they got him back, it’s a reason to mourn, not celebrate. But if they got Bay? YAAAAAYYY!!!!
It is funny because now the NESN guys are saying how they saw no way that manny could come back and be productive, when 51 minutes ago they were praising the sox 4 keeping him and how ortiz could turn him around
so the red sox give up brandon moss, craig hansen, and manny and get jason bay…sounds like a bad deal for them, although maybe unavoidable given the circumstances…unfortunately i think they’ll still have a pretty good team
So…
We shafted the Pirates…
The Pirates shafted the Red Sox…
Can we say we shafted the Red Sox, indirectly?
manny+gone=happy times
“The inclusion of Moss and Hansen when they could have been used in other deals makes this an especially unimpressive deal for Boston. One could argue that Bay is as valuable as Ramirez once defense is taken into account, but there are certainly plenty of AL teams glad that the Red Sox made this trade.”
No ch*t!!! Red Sox traded 3 guys, including the best hitter in their lineup, for Jason Bay lol We HAVE TO hear later that the Red Sox are getting more cause Jason Bay is not enough for those 3
love how espn is still talking about favre. my head is going to explode if i hear one more word about him or the packers, or about the chartered flight he has which has been scrolling on the bottom of the screen for 5 hours
“Now, he’s Joe Torre’s problem. Wonder how Torre feels about that today?”
Torre’s dealt with wacky personalities before. I’m sure he’s thrilled to have a -huge- new bat in the middle of his lineup. Manny will be rejuvenated to get out of Boston.
Sox just got better against the league and worse against the Yanks
Hey everyone. I am so pleased about this deal:
- I wanted Manny gone. He causes way too much drama for the Sox. And Ray is a good substitute for his bat (though I doubt anything will ever come close to matching Manny).
- I feel like the Sox rushed Hansen to the big leagues and now he is very unreliable. I’m glad to see him pitching for someone else.
- I absolutely love Moss. Great player with great potential. However, with this outfield in Boston, there was no way he’d be given a fair chance. He deserves to be a starter.
I wonder how Joe Torre will manage Manny in LA =]
MANNY’S GONE!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Sox gave up Manny, Hansen, Brandon Moss AND 7 million for Jason Bay! Way to go Theo!
What’s up with Pete Abe telling us that the Rays got Bay??
latham joe: workin? or hardly workin? haha ABSOLUTEly right?? it’s mike, still followin the blog you suggested even though im stuck out in colorado now! i miss talkin yanks everyday!
Torre has handled head cases for years and very well i might add…It’s Bowa i’m worried about and i cant wait for first time mattingly tries to give manny some batting advice….
What’s funny is that they could have traded Brandon Moss straight up for Mahay earlier if reports are true.
So they gave up a good lefty in the pen to sweeten the pot to get rid of Manny for Bay.
Unbelievable.
We’re all going to find out fast what Bay is made of. No matter where he bats, the pressure on him in Boston will be huge.
“So…
We shafted the Pirates…
The Pirates shafted the Red Sox…
Can we say we shafted the Red Sox, indirectly?”
Bingo, we shafted the Sox
i can’t believe i have to watch nesn right now for deadline coverage
Basically, the Sox weren’t going to keep Manny beyond this year and they filled LF with a solid all around baseball player with similar power to Manny at this current time, better defense and far more speed.
This is not such a horrible deal for the Sox. Bay, Ellsbury, Drew is a decent, relatively young outfield. They seem set offensively.
Their bullpen looks vulnerable, but then again, same goes for the Rays.
Overall, I must say that Brian Cashman ran circles around the AL East GM’s.
How could a redsox fan be happy? you gave up 2 players and manny for jason bay…thats a bad trade i’m sorry, but i’m happy cause i’m a yankee fan.
My god, that trade is HORRIBLE. As a Yankee fan i’m completely stoked. But how is this trade made, seriously? Manny, two prospects, $7 million for Jason overrated Bay?? I wouldn’t take him for free on my fantasy baseball team and that doesn’t count defense.
Torre and Manny…….”lol” is an understatement here.
…and so begins the inevitable downfall of the Boston Red Sox. i can smell the natural order of things returning, which is us beating their a$$es year in, year out.
sox are done for the season! bye bye! we with tampa will compete!
The Pirates will receive relief pitcher Craig Hansen and outfielder Brandon Moss from Boston, in addition to third baseman Andy LaRoche and right-handed pitcher Bryan Morris from the Dodgers.
The Red Sox will pay the remaining $7 million of Ramirez’s salary this season. Ramirez has $20 million club options for 2009 and 2010.
and the red sox are paying 7 million to the dodgers!!!
dodgers press conference right now
Steve Phillips brought up what is going to happen when Manny doesn’t hustle, and Larry Bowa gets in his face.
if u didnt kno this yet, Hawkins was traded to Astros for Minor league infielder Matt Cusick. Cash also included going to astros. The 22-year-old Cusick was hitting .285 with nine home runs and 38 RBIs in 94 games for Class-A Lexington. The Astros selected him in the 10th round of the 2007 draft.
dodgers press conference right now
Let’s hear Gammons spin this one…
Jason Bay is JD Drew lite…Nothing more…His stats with RISP are horrible…He is going to the biggest pressure cooker in MLB outside of the Bronx… This is terrible trade for Boston on paper…Anything can happen, but I feel alot better about the Yankees playing Boston.
“I get it that Boston wanted to get rid of Manny. But the Red Sox traded three players (including Manny Ramirez) and $7 million for Jason Bay. That’s a hell of a lot for Jason Bay.”
No pressure Jason!
SJ44,
You’re my favorite poster here, but I’ve got to disagree.
Bay is a very good player who had a down season last year. He’s a 30-HR, 100 RBI guy. He’s not Manny, I think we can all agree. But he’s a very good player and were he not on the Pirates, his numbers would get a lot more notice.
And as for Torre having to put up with Manny – I think he’ll relish having someone else in his lineup who can hit, other than Martin. I think it’s a great move for the Dodgers who can easily take what is a lousy division.
Andrew (Bristol, NH): So Boston gives up Manny, Moss and Hansen to get Bay? Is that really worth it for this year and going forward?
Rob Neyer: (4:52 PM ET ) Yeah, I think this is a fantastic deal for the Red Sox, as they’ve got Bay next season for $7.5 million. See, this is why they win ever year … they’re just smarter than everybody else.
So “one of the great deal makers” in Theo Epstein gave up Ramirez, Brandon Moss, and Craig Hansen for Jason Bay !
is there tv coverage of it?
This is a really complex trade.
Off the bat – the red sox paid pretty dearly to get Jason Bay.
This is a much worse deal for them than the original one with the Pirates and Marlins. No Grabow. They had to trade additional players along with Manny in order to satisfy Pittsburgh.
Brandon Moss was looking like a decent 4th outfielder or a LF on a so-so team. Hansen was hansen but he still throws in the high 90′s. Losing those two hurts the Sox because it takes away from their depth and they lose two trade pieces for the future.
Their bull pen was a huge problem – instead of adding to it at the deadline they subtracted from it (though perhaps losing hansen was addition by subtraction…).
The Sox had no leverage and this was the closer to the kind of deal I thought they would be forced to pull off.
That said, the Sox still did well to get Bay given the terrible situation they were in with Manny and then with Florida trying to extort a few additional millions from them.
The Sox are a weaker team now – but not as weak as they could have been given how bad things had gotten with Manny.
I can’t believe the Pirates came away with both LaRoche and Moss.
Have you seen Hansen pitch? I groan every time he is brought into the game. And I will sorely miss Moss. He is probably going to be a great player. But the Sox need someone with proven skill and Bay provides that. Moss would never have had a fair chance to play in Boston.
Though, I do admit that your team pulled off amazing deal after amazing deal this year. Congrats – as I said before, lets knock the Rays out of first and return to the normal top two of Sox and Yanks.
Jason Bay of
4 years/$18.25M (2006-09)
signed extension 11/05
$1M signing bonus
06:$0.75M, 07:$3.25M, 08:$5.75M, 09:$7.5M
1 year/$0.355M (2005), renewed 3/05
1 year/$0.305M (2004)
drafted 2000 (22-645)
agent: Joe Urbon, Octagon Baseball
ML service: 4.080
Never thought that the Sox would trade Manny. What great news! Pittsburgh was really active this week,
So lets see Bay is replacing Manny production, Bay is hitting 190 against Lefties, and he is hitting 216 wit RISP man we should intentinal walk ortiz even tho a mans on 1st and and put runners in scoring position and pitch to bay
actually jason bay was the starting RF for the Allstar game in 2006 and he and Freddy Sanchez were both chosen. So let’s not dismiss his selection to the all star was because he they needed someone to represent that team
haha from some dolt on SoSH”
“This is an unbelievable deal once you consider the position Manny and Boras put the Sox FO in. To get Bay with just giving up Moss and Hansen is a major coup – the cash was already rationed off for the rest of Ramirez’s salary, and giving up Moss and Hansen for what turns out to be a ~2 win upgrade is a steal. Great deal by Theo and the whole FO.”
That didn’t take long for delusion to set in.
For some reason, I don’t see any trolls in here.
Peter Gammons is AWOL due to a panic attack. Apparently Moss was being held in case Manny was going to be gone (to be the 4th OF), but now he is even gone. I don’t get it. Fine by me.
SJ44,
Jason Bay would be an allstar on any team. He’s had one bad season which was last year but over his career he has been a great player. Jason Bay is not Manny Ramirez obviously.
Manny from 1999-2006 is a TON better than Jason Bay will ever be but Manny isn’t putting up 1.000 OPS anymore. Bay is consistently a .900+ OPS player. I’m not so sure what Manny is at this point in his career. Maybe Manny will go back to being a top 3 bat in the league but who knows?
If I had to choose one or the other theres no question in my mind I’d pick Manny but I think most of you on here are underrating Bay.
Despite my thoughts on Bay I think the Sox got ripped on this deal. It shows how desperate Theo was to get rid of Ramirez.
After hearing that BOS also had to pay money, this is one of the worse BOS deals that I can remember.
So the Pirates receive a fourth outfielder, a crappy reliever and LaRoche, who may or may not pan out. Sorry, doesn’t sound like a good haul to me on their end.
My o my, the mayhem in New England when Bay gets exposed …
Bryan (Crown Heights, NY): Bay’s stats are as good as Manny’s this year, he is six years younger, better defensively, and signed to an exceptional contract. Sox fans should be celebrating.
Rob Neyer: (4:56 PM ET ) Yes. Exactly. Thank you, Bryan. My only caveat is that Bay’s been in a hitter’s park in the lesser league. But he’ll be fine.
Bay is a horrible outfielder and strikes out a ton. With a bat he’s a good player but nothing special.
Boston is not a better team with him in there. That’s the bottomline.
It is essentially a 1 for 1 deal, but you have to keep in mind what the bosox were offering was only a 2 month Manny rental, as the 2 option years are gone. So to get Bay for just 2 months of Manny is not bad, I hate to admit. That said, he is definitely not Manny and there is a big question mark whether he can play under pressure. His risp ba was awful even in his best year (ca. .260). And he is terible vs. lefties.
Offseason move for the Yankees is to sign Manny.
ignore his antics, they would change playing for the Yankees.
But in signing him, the Yankees have a legitimate DH, coverage when Posada doesn’t heal right and does not return the value of his overvalued contract,eliminates the need to resign Damon, provides coverage for Matsui when his knees start barking, but most of all Manny can still hit.
Plus, he would provide great coverage for ARod just like he does for Ortiz.
“Though, I do admit that your team pulled off amazing deal after amazing deal this year. Congrats – as I said before, lets knock the Rays out of first and return to the normal top two of Sox and Yanks.”
Cant argue with that.
Bay is a good player, but he hits .212 with RISP. Manny is a much better clutch hitter.
Here’s how Gammons will spin this;
Gammons:
“Theo once again pulled a rabbit out of his hat today. To be able to trade a disgruntled fading Manny for an All Star great in the clubhouse and perfect in the community guy like Bay is nothing short of a miracle. Bay has already done 3 appearances at local Boston firehouses and has posed for a billboard for the Jimmy Fund.
Manny has declined rapidly in front of our eyes. Whispers of his PED use were rampant in baseball, not to mention he had a 7 foot bong he kept in his locker.
The Red Sox are once again the class of major league baseball.
Not only did they trade Manny, but they paid 7 million to help the cash strapped Dodgers survive not to mention they generously gave Pittsburgh two players from their surplus of top flight prospects, although in recent weeks the team felt that Hansen was a bad guy in the clubhouse and had some growing up to do.
This is a win win for Boston and Theo Epstein should be dipped in bronze immediately. This is Peter Gammons. “
I don’t think Francona is going to put Bay behind Ortiz if he’s horrible with RISP. He’ll either go with Drew, Lowell or Youk and put Bay behind them. Regardless of where Bay is, Ortiz will be getting walked on a regular basis.
Rob Neyer is a moron. And oh yeah, doesn’t he work for RESPN?
How the hell is Neyer basically gonna say Bay is an upgrade?? No respect for him.
Jason Bay’s almost as good as Manny, and the Red Sox will have him in 2009 for only $7.5 mil. That’s a great deal for them, financially, as they would’ve had to pony up lots of money to replace Ramirez in the offseason.
Let’s cross our fingers and hope Brandon Moss puts up Jason Bay numbers for Pitssburgh next year.
Bay is a horrible outfielder and strikes out a ton. With a bat he’s a good player but nothing special.
Boston is not a better team with him in there. That’s the bottomline.
Absolutely correct. This is not a good signing for Boston. It is a reaction to rid themselves of Manny. Bad choice by Theo. Who will protect Ortiz now? Varitek, Drew, Youklis…not exactly three hitters to strike fear in a pitcher if the pitcher has the choice of pitching around Ortiz.
I am proud to be a Pittsburgh Yankee Fan at this moment.
Very proud.
Replenish the farm in the Burgh, screw the Sox and the Rays, all in 4-5 days!
Well done, Yunz.
I’m leaving in a minute to do some volunteer work. I just wanted to add that yes, the lineup is A LOT weaker without Manny. This could be one of the worst moves ever made by the FO.
However, I believe that chemistry of a team contributes a lot too. Maybe a fresh new face and the disappearnce of a jacka$$ will help the team.
CB-
This is a much worse return than the rumored marlins deal, you’re right. I don’t know much about Bay, but, as Pete said, that’s a ton to give up for him. Manny and two good prospects. By the way, Ken Rosenthal broke the story at 3:37 while ESPN had it at 4:43. Also USA Today had it very early on.
sadly rob neyer is one of the smartest guys on espn
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Great trading deadline news to see Manny out of the Red Sox lineup. Jason Bay can’t even come close to replacing Manny’s bat.
Yankkes still need an upgrade at the No. 4 starter spot – hopefully Hughes, Aceves, Horne,…or dare I say, Pavano?? can step up in August/September.
Bay is not going to be a 1.000 OPS guy in his prime like Manny was, obviously. Not very many players are.
But he can still put up a .900 OPS (he’s at .894 right now), is 29, and cheap for two more years (the next two years closest to his prime).
Manny, this season, has been a .926 OPS guy (.023 difference in OBP, .010 difference in SLG), but has found ways out of the lineup against some of the premier fastball-throwing pitchers in the AL (Joba, Felix, etc.).
Furthermore, his defense isn’t particularly special, and Boston wasn’t going to pick up his $20 million option next year.
There might be a slight downgrade from Manny to Bay, and if Bay requires an adjustment period (like J.D. Drew required last year), that downgrade will obviously be far more pronounced. That’s the big thing I would worry about, if I were the Red Sox: Bay’s ability to adjust to AL pitching (and fielding balls off the Green Monster).
But this was a great long-term trade for the Red Sox, especially since they didn’t really give up significant prospects. I do think it’s very easy to overstate the Manny to Bay downgrade for this season, and I would not be surprised if Bay puts up very solid numbers moving forward.
Additional comparisons between Bay and Manny (this season):
Manny has a LD% of 18.6, Bay 17.6.
Therefore, Manny has been luckier in BABIP (.344) versus Bay (.307), but part of that could have been due to hits off the monster.
Bay has a lower GB% (37.2 vs. 41.2) but hits fewer HRs per FBs (16.3 vs. 18.8).
So the difference in offense between the two hitters this season has not really been pronounced. Manny has slightly more power, while also getting a bit luckier on base hits. You can point to Bay’s middling performance in RISP situations this season, but over the course of a career one’s rates in RISP will always trend towards a player’s career rates.
Again, I would certainly project Manny for greater offensive performance for the remainder of the season, particularly if he’s motivated in LA. But I do think a lot of people are needlessly selling Bay short. I doubt he leads Boston to a championship (again, he’s not going to be a .950 – 1.000 OPS guy like Manny was in his prime), but offensively, he *is* one of the top LFs in the game when healthy, and Boston has him at a bargain rate for another two years. That’s nothing to sneeze at.
Manny and Bay are in different worlds
Manny will be a unanimous hall of famer. He’s one of the greatest hitters we’ve seen. 100 OPS points is not all that separates Jason Bay from him. He’s a player with good raw ability (still not even close to Manny’s) but he’s been a bad clutch performer and now he has huge shoes to fill in one of the media crucibles of baseball.
G Love… that was funny. You should write for ESPN.. Classic.
No question, the Sox were desperate to get rid of Manny.
Jason Bay is a good player. Is he a difference maker? Is he a guy teams say, “We can’t make him beat us”?
I don’t think so.
Who knows, perhaps he will be that player in Boston.
All I know is, Manny Ramirez, even when is at his whack job best, IS that kind of player. One of the few players in the game that makes the guys around him in the order better just by his presence.
They had a chance to spin Moss into Mahay today. Instead, they had to include him in the Manny deal just to get the deal done. They weren’t able to get bullpen help.
Basically, this is a “Manny Dump”. As good a player as Bay is, they gave up an awful lot to get him.
Man, things must have gotten REALLY bad in Boston for them to do this deal. This is the perverbial, “gun to your head” deal.
Jay Bay .190 vs lefties Put that in ya Pink B hat and smoke it.
BTW If Torre can manage Sheff, he can handle Manny.
Next year Manny will be DH for NYY
I’m a little worried.
It all seems too good to be true. I’m almost waiting for the other shoe to drop =P
Well, what’s done is done.
Let’s have the Yankees win their game tonight, yeah?
How amazing would it be if we could go 3-1 vs. LAA? Would that not make for the greatest weekend (not in October) ever?
This was not a good deal for Pittsburgh. From their perspective its an unimpressive haul.
LaRoche is a very good prospect but most of the other talent isn’t that great.
I would have wanted to get at least one pitching prospect with some upside for Bay.
Don’t understand why they would feel pressed to move him now instead of the off season.
If anyone thinks this is a good idea, think of it this way…who would you rather see at the plate in fenway. bot 9th, yanks up one, 2 outs…
bay or manny?
there’s no way you bay. end of story.
“gun to your head” absolutely…I’m listening to LA Radio from EsPN.com, talking about the deal. They are obviously thrilled out there, with Ramirez and Teixeira coming in the past 2 days.
Pete – get us some reaction from the players on this.
The Curse of the Manny begins today. A long, sad, aggravating century it’s going to be if you’re a Sox fan. Yankee fans rejoice. And congratulations to the Dodgers and Torre–2008 World Champions.
Does anyone else see at the end of the season when we make the playoffs and the sox don’t, Manny going to an L.A. night club and freestyling to the tune of “Red Sox Can’t do it without me”
that trade was highway robbery for the pirtaes and dodgers
can we PLEASE stop talking about Bay’s average with RISP in 2008….this is how it works out, his career numbers are 281/375/505 his career numbers with RISP is 280/392/509
Fallen:
Spin it any way you want.
Ortiz is getting nothing to hit if Youk or Bay behind him. That, plus the shift, plus a bum wrist = Ortiz frustration.
I love Jason, he was a fixture here in the Burgh, but he is no Manny.
“How amazing would it be if we could go 3-1 vs. LAA? Would that not make for the greatest weekend (not in October) ever?”
I’m looking at it as a week. From the moment Joba took the mound at Fenway Friday night, just an incredible series of events.
This is the end of the Sox as we know them. They will become the 99-2003 Sox again, and we will dominate them like we used to. All is right again. Maybe it was necessary to deal Manny, but that lineup will never be the same. Mike Lowell, Bay, Pedroia, or whoever else you put behind Ortiz is no Manny Ramirez. That lineup has a huge hole in it, and all of those hitters will suffer. Boston will occupy third place before long. C-Ya!
Have two brothers ever played together on the same team before? I ask because of the Laroche brothers if anyone is wondering.
Joe: I was really hoping to see them boot sir sidney for a better starter but no dice! Do you remember talking to me on your birthday? haha I called you randomly and you called me back later on in the night, needless to say, it sounded like you might not remember in the morning haha
I probably consider Jason Bay to be better than many people here have commented regarding him, but this is still overpaying by a mile to get rid of the Manny headache.
I usually respect Rob Neyer for the most part, but I have no idea what he is smoking at the moment. It would be one thing to say the Sox did the best they could and got a very good player. It’s another thing entirely to make it out like the Sox were the big winners in this trade and are smarter than everyone else. HUGE stretch, Rob Neyer.
And how does this poster quoted from SoSH figure they just got a 2 win upgrade? Did he forget to include Manny’s production that they are losing in that equation? It’s like somebody bragging about how they won $10 on a lottery ticket that they paid $20 for.
G.Love: That post is amazing.
And for the record – most reports *seem* to be pointing to Florida killing the previous three-way, not Pittsburgh. No one seems to really know what prospects were on the table, and LaRoche is a very, very good bat, but I’d like to think the Pirates might have had a better package coming to them than they received in this trade, at least in terms of upside.
That said, while Andy LaRoche is a high price to pay for a couple of months of Manny, it could have been worse for Dodgers fans. If I were Pittsburgh, I would have done everything in my power to pry him loose, and I’m sure Neil Huntington did just that. Still, Dodgers fans should be ecstatic that they’re getting Manny and keeping Kemp, too. That’s huge.
Incidentally, I had asked over at BP whether there was a shot for the Red Sox to revive the three-way swapping Pittsburgh for LA. I didn’t think it’d be Florida on the outside-looking-in, but c’est la vie.
“Man, things must have gotten REALLY bad in Boston for them to do this deal. This is the perverbial, “gun to your head†deal.”
I’m thinking that some things must have went down that weren’t reported to the media. I mean, they didn’t even get a pitcher back and they paid cash!!! I know that people say that Bay is good, but come on people! He ain’t that good. Manny will go to the HOF on his first try. How many people think that Bay is HOF material?
the bottom line from all of this is that as good as bay is, and as good as he may end up being, he is not going to hit .471 against the yankees like manny. bay is an overrated player who’s average is going to drop 20 points in the al and lose 10 homers a season
Boston’s weak 7-8-9 hitters are still around. Boston’s weak middle relief is still around.
Does Theo Epstein think Jason Bay will carry the team ?
Girardi on WFAN right now…THRILLED about Manny being gone!
Jason Bay’s splits against lefties this year:
.190 .333 .345
Jason Bay is an above average ballplayer…Frankly I think Nagy is the better ballplayer…..Fundamentaly a sounder more rounded player….And he was cheap, plus when you add in Marte it’s a slam dunk…..Yanks will be playing in October
SJs point is an excellent one.
The Sox were so caught up in this that they could not get Mahay.
Their BP is worse than yesterday, since at a minimum all the middle guys are going to get a bit more tired without Hansen to mop up.
great job by pirates, good day for dodgers & yanks
Stop mentioning Bays contract. He is signed for 8 million next year but if you included the money Boston paid the Dodgers it’s more like 15 Million.
First, Pete, I want to thank you for the Pudge audio – I didn’t see the press conference being in and out all day. He sounds very professional and I think he’ll do a good job for the Yankees. I liked his demeanor, or what I could discern of it via audio. He seemed at ease enough with the media, and that’s a biggie here in NY.
WOW! Manny is not a BoSox anymore.
I can’t say I’m surprised. The latest “stuff” was more than ever before and you can’t conduct a pennant race with that kind of distraction, not knowing what kind of cooperation you’re going to get from the player you count on the most. Jason Bay isn’t Manny Ramirez, no, and that’s both a good thing and a bad thing for Boston. It certainly is a relief, as a Yankee fan, to know that any future series with Boston won’t have the one-two (Manny/Ortiz) punch. But they’ll still be formidable and I’m sure the Yankees know that.
Manny to the Dodgers. All I can say about that is, “Poor Joe Torre!”
DiMaggio brothers played on the same team. Molina brothers played on the same team.
holy crap, i can’t keep up with these comments. we’ll be over 1000 by game time…
heres peter gammons…
Yeah, G. Love, it was scary how I could absolutely picture Gammons saying every thing in that statement. (except the bong part) Do you prepare Gammons’ transcripts?
Yes.
1) Molinas on LAA for a time
2) Gonzalezes on SD.
Yankee fans rejoice, we are the luckiest fans, on the face of the Earth
Manny is gone, and they get a Canadian back
That’s incorrect. The first mention of this anywhere was this:
NESN or the Boston Globe had it first.
But ESPN at 4:43 could be right.
Is Theo producing a broadway play?
“Have two brothers ever played together on the same team before? I ask because of the Laroche brothers if anyone is wondering.”
Jason and Jeremy Giambi played together in Oakland for a recent duo.
Peter Gammons on ESPN….he is pisssssed.
Mike Mussina is the happiest Yankee right now.
didn’t we have Pazcual and Melido at the same time?
Good deadline.
Yankees are stronger, without giving much up.
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Red Sox are weaker
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Manny is out of the AL
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But, now I’m even more frustrated about Wang’s injury. Just imagine how good this team would be right now if Wang was in the rotation. Cash made some great moves, but we’re still a starter away from the promised land.
Yes, Manny is gone!! WHAT! WHAT!
Owner John Henry to Theo Epstein: ” I don’t care what it takes, I want Ramirez out of my sight”.
“The happiest man in American is Terry Francona…he’s lost 15lbs”…-Peter Gammons
In other news, reports are surfacing that Manny is now being implicated in the Mitchell report.
I hate the Red Sox as much as anyone, but having Bay on the hook for only 1 more year at $7.5MM does gives them terrific leverage which they did not have with Manny. I’m sure they might well offer bay a new deal say at 4/42MM this offseason tearing up the old deal well one year before he hits the open market in return for security. That would take him up to a productive age of 33/34 and still frees up $9MM or so next year vs. Manny that they can spend on another player or pitcher. It also improves their defense over Manny. Defensible move, it would seem.
But not having to face Manny anymore is such a huge psychological relief. Did you watch him hit against K-ROd in the 9th the other night? He simply flicked an impossible pitch and crushed it out deep to CF. His gift for hitting and his patience are pure intimidation in any big spot for anyone even the Sandman. I thought there was some slippage last year but he seems to be on everything again when he is putting forth the effort. Bay has never seen or felt this type of pressure before (at least Nady had played here in NY before), and it could well go badly for him if he starts slow.
Best of all, the Sox made no upgrade at catcher, in the pen or a quality reserve OF/PH to replace Moss. Hansen is no great loss, they have written him off to contribute this year. And Ortiz doesnt’ look 100% at the plate, he missed a lot of pitches in the last 2 series. It could be rust, or he may still be impaired. A lot of uncertainty for a team in the thick of the race.
pascual and melido were here at the same time…how i miss pascual
Thanks for the props guys. That was a fun post to write.
PS The Rays didn’t do anything and have an even more brutal schedule in August and September than we do. AL East title is back in the Bronx
“In other news, reports are surfacing that Manny is now being implicated in the Mitchell report.”
post of the day
Pudge audio was very interesting of course we got I always wanted to play in New York and be a Yankee line.
Also after reading Mitch Albom’s piece today (which was very very positive by the way) he gave the impression that his English was not that good and thus his personality doesnt come through all that well. After hearing that audio I would disagree, I thought it came through great and his English was fine.
Guess Joe hasnt told him he wont be catching Moose anytime soon as he keeps bringing him up. Also he has 10 family memebrs coming to the game tonight said showed how important it was not only for him but his family his mom flying in from PR.
Girardi being grilled about headhunting. Says he believe his pitchers.
Peter Gammons on ESPN….he is pisssssed.
I counting how many blinks per second he is doing.
Peter Gammons is going to rip Manny Ramirez for this. Would that Red Sox have gotten two type A draft picks or does the club option nullify that?
CHANGING SUBJECTS…
KONTOS PITCHED A GEM TODAY IN TRENTON’S WIN….
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Gammons on ESPN right now. (Television)
He looks ill.
“Think about how badly BOS wanted to be rid of Manny. They were willing to possibly sacrifice a postseason birth to get rid of him. Talk about wearing out your welcome!!”
We are also forgetting that the Sux had to pick up millions of Manny’s salary! How bad did they want him gone!!!
i seriously doubt that jason bay is going to be happy after a 0-4 game when all of those boston reporters ask him if he feels pressure to live up to manny’s legacy. he’s never played in a big market and never had to deal with a pennant race. plus all new al pitchers, he’s going to have a hard time adjusting.
this is a great day for the yankees, it really gives us a lot less to think about, just those pesky rays and kevin millar.
wonder if theo tried to trade for him?
Is Bay better than Manny? IMO.. no
Do the Sox have any new additions to the pen…. no, therefore they still stink there (I imagine Hansen going is a bonus for them)
It’s a great week to be a yankee fan. I must admitt that I have almost forgotten that there is a game tonight after all this build up. A good couple of results now to set the tone for the rest of the season wont be easy, but really would be great for us
Peter Gammons obviously doesn’t love Bay…he’s pissed that the BoSox even had to PAY Ramirez’s remaining $7million. I love it.
With the exception of Melky this lineup is absolutely ridiculous. There’s only one weak link in it, if only melky could come around.
Don’t get me wrong: if I have my choice, I pick Manny over Bay this season, every time. Let alone having to give up Manny+ for Bay this season.
But looking forward to the new two years, this isn’t a terrible trade for the Red Sox. They get their Manny replacement at a bargain-rate, without sacrificing their title aspirations *too much* this season. Yes, they are sacrificing them some, that’s the point; aside from preferring Manny over Bay *this season*, the Red Sox faced the opportunity cost of adding a bullpen arm which they sorely needed.
Hey, maybe Masterson is their Joba. Even discounting the hyperbole, I doubt Masterson becomes even their 2nd or 3rd best option in their pen this season. And even if he does, he’d probably be the last man in the Yankees pen, as it’s currently configurred. Last year, the Yankees were deemed losers at the deadline because they didn’t get their bullpen arm (the Red Sox got him instead), but it wasn’t the bullpen that ultimately damned them.
My position is similar to CB’s: Theo did really well considering the situation he was in. He could have done a lot worse with a gun to his head, but somehow he managed to pull a cloud with more than a few silver linings. That he (potentially) blocked the Rays from Bay is a bonus, of course.
But…yeah. I wouldn’t call the Red Sox winners at this deadline, not by a longshot, and definitely not judging by results this year.
Is Gammons doing his blinking, stuttering, lip biting that he did yesterday when arguing with Phillips?
I hope Joe Torre makes Manny cut his hair and wear a uniform that actually fits.
I think the Alou brothers were three on the same team at once?
And weren’t Joe and Dom D. on the same team for a spell?
It’s really important to remember, amid the hype, that the Red Sox were not trading FOR Jason Bay. It’s really nice that they got a quality player (for them, that is), but they were actually trying to rid themselves of a player. I suppose addition by subtraction trade. But the production will be very different. The entire trade is of a different nature than most deadline trades. But they did keep Jason Bay out of Tampa, which could be better for Boston and the Yankees. I think Bay would have had more impact for the Rays than he will on the Sox.
Michael Kay calls what Manny did a “disgrace to baseball”…
Where is the protection for Big Papi ? Pitchers won’t fear Jason Bay like they did Manny.
“July 31st, 2008 at 5:16 pm
I hate the Red Sox as much as anyone, but having Bay on the hook for only 1 more year at $7.5MM”
Get out of here with that. The Red Sox paid 8 MILLION to get Manny out of town. It’s basically 15 Million for Bay next year. What a deal for the Red Sox!!!
Melky is now protected by Damon, so he should get better pitches to hit.
Masterson didn’t like anything like Joba when he got smacked around on Saturday in Boston, hoss.
Now…can someone explain to me, what is up with the Alberto Gonzalez deal? I didnt think he was anything special, but the guy we got wasnt that good, based on his stats. Is there another SS in the Yankees system I don’t know about? Pena?
Was Hansen one of the greatest setup men ever or was that DelCarman?
I can’t believe it, they also gave up Hanson and Moss and 7mill.
I heard champagne corks coming from the Yankee bull pen
Masterson is IPK, maybe. Where is Bucholtz?
“Was Hansen one of the greatest setup men ever or was that DelCarman?”
Delcarmen. Who sucks.
I CANT WAIT TO FACE THE RED SOX!!!!
the redsox clearly are the losers in this year trade deadline
“I can’t believe it, they also gave up Hanson and Moss and 7mill.
I heard champagne corks coming from the Yankee bull pen”
Girardi’s got a clubbie at Hallmarks picking out a Thank You card for Theo.
Alright…I might need to bring everyone back down to earth here. This doesn’t mean jack unless the Yanks can fill their Rasner/Ponson holes, because I’d be willing to bet that Jason Bay can tattoo them.
Hansen, Moss and Bay and Manny’s gone to the NL.
I’m happy today.
Manny and the greatest setup man in the AL for Jason Bay PLUS $7 million and Brandon Moss
Theo got FLEECED
now big papi will get the bonds treatment. jd drew and bay cannot do half of what manny could.
Joe and Dom were not on the same team !
There are two brothers playing 1st and 2nd for Padres right now ! Gonzales I think!
Three Alou’s the Giants, two of them were concurrrently with the Yankees!
Bucholtz has not looked good so far this year.
I believe Brian and Marcus Giles have played together before. Jeremy and Jason Giambi too.
many, many brothers have played together. as mentioned, giambis, molinas, melido and pascual, dimaggios, etc. Off the top of my head: Billy and Cal Ripken, Tony and Chris Gwynn, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Hank and Tommy Aaron, the three Alous, George and Ken Brett, Pedro and Ramon Martinez, Sandy and Robbie Alomar
yanks need to beat the angels tonight and put a cherry on top of this great day
manny was gone at the end of the year anyway, so it was basically moss and hansen for jason bay. not bad.
“Alright…I might need to bring everyone back down to earth here. This doesn’t mean jack unless the Yanks can fill their Rasner/Ponson holes, because I’d be willing to bet that Jason Bay can tattoo them.”
Party pooper. And we will probably feel that during this Angels Series. But you have to think you can find a winner in IPK, Hughes, Pavano. Plus don’t forget all the talk about signing Washburn off waivers.
G. Love: You write some excellent posts when you’re not trashing Cashman
Nongeyejon: A disgrace to himself more than anything else.
The Yankees got better at the deadline, and the Sox and Rays…first glance, not so much (though things change). If this isn’t fuel or the fire for the Yankees, I’m not sure I want to know what is.
I’m so thankful that this soap opera in Boston, thank god it’s not new york anymore, can finally be put to rest! Anything to get Manny to shut up and quit the “whoa is me” act! BOSTON HATES ME!!!!!
Jacob
July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Jason Bay from the Dodgers for Manny.
Obviously Jacob is not a baseball fan and just a bandwagoner!
PJH, do you have links?
“But looking forward to the new two years, this isn’t a terrible trade for the Red Sox. ”
Phoenix,
Overall I agree with your take. But I am struck by how much worse this deal is for Boston than nearly every other permutation of this trade that came out prior.
A huge factor here is that they only got Bay back – no reliever. That in itself is a huge set back.
This is truly what they traded for Bay: Manny, Moss, Hansen, $7M, and the opportunity cost to acquire Mahay.
They could have traded Moss for Mahay – that’s a good trade for them – one that fill a real need, especially since Mahay isn’t awful against righty batters.
I agree that Theo could have done worse – but yesterday it looked like he was going to do much, much better.
This trade is tough for Boston first and foremost because they lost Manny but also because they gave up much more talent and money and got back less than it looked like they would need to at this time yesterday.
Much different deal than the original one that came out.
The Marlins killed the Sox in this deal – killed them. The Marlins got greedy when they saw how little leverage the Sox had and they overplayed their hand. In the process however they put the sox in a much worse position because they cost the Sox a precious commodity – time.
“manny was gone at the end of the year anyway, so it was basically moss and hansen for jason bay. not bad.”
This is more significant… him insulting the Sox also means the Sox won’t have him in the future either. Definite downgrade. They are paying the rest of Manny’s salary too. Oh, and he insulted the Sox organization.
redsox nation just became redsox neighborhood!!!!
boston must have been flat out desperate to dump manny to give up that much. Now manny wasnt putting up big numbers, but pitchers had to respect him.
im sure Bay can put decent numbers up for boston and knowing our luck, may actually be good, but honestly after you watch the deals Cash just made, redsox fans must be jumping into the boston harbor…
Im sure you hearing alot in boston about how manny was on the decline, was useless, not that good .. blah blah blah; HAHAHAH
Russell W…you’re right, I am a party-pooper. I just remembered, though, that we have to play the Angels. I hate when we play the Angels.
raymagnetic â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Have two brothers ever played together on the same team before? I ask because of the Laroche brothers if anyone is wondering
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/family/fam1a.shtml
Um…this is a Yankees Blog right? Then why are you all so concerned about the Red Sox…oh, because they are the better team…I forgot. Have fun in 3rd place losers!
“manny was gone at the end of the year anyway, so it was basically moss and hansen for jason bay. not bad.”
Wrong. It’s also two+ months of Manny (you know it would include October) plus the two draft picks Manny walking would get them. The Sox are superb on draft day. They easily could have used those two picks to net greater value than Jason Bay.
I think the Alou brothers were three on the same team at once?
Yes, Matty, Felipe, and Jesus played for the SF giants in 1963. Also you might remember, among others, Hank and Tommy Aaron for the Milwaukee Braves, Norm and Larry Sherry for the Dodgers, Jim and Gaylod Perry for the Indians, and , of course Benji and Jose’ Molina for the Angels.
Hi guys,
Do any of you have MLB TV Premium via MLB.com? Just had a couple quick questions.
-Does it work well?
-Do you get to watch what TV feed you want to see? For example, watching the YES broadcast for every Yankee game.
Appreciate the help.
This trade won’t help out the Dodgers nearly as much if they give Manny the wrong player’s spot. That player would be Matt Kemp. If he gets stuck on the bench because of this, the Dodgers are making a huge mistake.
??? – Uh oh…Sad Sox fan
booo hooooo
A Red Sox fan and bandwagon in the same sentence??? I’ve never heard of that before, ::nod nod:: ::wink,wink::
YankeeVIP – Manny was on the decline. His stats prove it..but now, with “Peace of Mind” he may actually start to play again.
My take on a few matters.
the manny trade; man they wanted to get rid of him bad.. manny is a huge jerk, boston got fleeced, I bet they raised there offer because tampa might have gotten bay..
Hansen.. I remember when Boston drafted him all the EXPERTS ON THIS SITE BLASTED CASHMAN AND OTHERS BEYOND BELIEF. Where is the Hansen fan club now??????He may become a good player but again the gushing over Hanson and derision for cash and oppenheimer was unbearable..
Tonight My concern is Andy and Pudge.. Andy does not like to think on the mound, what the heck does Pudge know about Andy, Molina better be telling pudge alot of information…
Got to agree with CB.
The Marlins put the BoSox behind the 8th ball.
As to the trade itself, Boston is clearly weaker this year because of it, both because Manny 08 is still slightly better than Bay 08, and because of losing Moss and Hansen (in Moss’s case, not being to trade him straight up hurts the Sox).
The $7MM are a cost of doing business for Boston, so I really look at the money side more as a case of Boston taking on Bay’s salary.
From 2009, this trade is not terrible for Boston, but it’s not that good either (and while Boston does have a great farm system, farm systems are finite things, and when you keep on taking out talent from them, you eventually pay the price).
??? July 31st, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Um…this is a Yankees Blog right? Then why are you all so concerned about the Red Sox…oh, because they are the better team…I forgot. Have fun in 3rd place losers!
Is that you Gammons?
Rebecca,
Don’t worry. I’m off Cashman for the rest of the season. He patched holes, dealt a few kids and improved the team. I’d still like another starter, but I’m not going to freak out.
I’ve turned my focus to Peter Gammons now, lol.
“Um…this is a Yankees Blog right? Then why are you all so concerned about the Red Sox”
Umm …
Could it be because what the Red Sox do impacts how the Yankees finish? The Sox -were- a better team. This move makes them a worse team. Hence our ‘concern.’
Playing the Angels kind of takes the wind out of my sails about Manny being gone but I’m still elated.
“raymagnetic â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Have two brothers ever played together on the same team before? I ask because of the Laroche brothers if anyone is wondering.”
In addition to the Molinas, you have Cal and Billy Ripken, Chris and Tony Gwynn, Sandy and Roberto Alomar, Phil and Joe Neikro, David Ortiz and that dorky Red Sux mascot, etc. Its not really that rare actually.
Hey TKinDC, I saw your question for me last evening as I was on the way out, but I didn’t have time to answer. I haven’t had the pleasure of reading many of the posts of the returned LoHuder you referred to, so for the time being I’ll refer your question to my counsel, Lawyer Dan.
I will say that this poster may have returned as an unwitting harninger of doom for Krazy Kyle. This can’t bode well for Ponson’s future in pinstripes.
Why is Kay interviewing Billy Wagner of app people, in the aftermath of this huge trade deadline news?
I understand its his weekly spot but still…
Make that “harbinger” — too much sand on the keyboard.
Haha wagner said he wants MO
by the way, Pitt looks like they made a killing in this deal.
did they really just get 4 good young players for jason bay?? wow.
take those 4 players + the 4 we gave them.. thats nice deal for them
Confucious – not so sure this makes them a worse team. The stats of Manny and Bay are pretty similiar. Do I think they will win the East? No, but I think that they did not down grade as much as people think…plus, Bay can play better defense too!
It works very well as long as you use Windows Media Player to watch the games and not Silverlight.
The Mosaic software is ok if you need it, most bugs are gone by now.
You can’t choose what feed you want to see – it will almost all the time be the feed of the home team. Be careful if you live in the NY area though – you might be blacked out for Yankees, Mets games and whatnot…
OK no way do I have the attention span to read all these comments. But as long as Matt Kemp remains a Dodger and not a Sock, as I gather he will…..REJOICE!!!!!!!
From what little I’ve skimmed, Jason Bay slurpers need to listen to what SJ44 is telling you. He’s decent, not great. He’s NOT an All Star caliber player. Dont let MLB’s affirmative action policy mandating a representative from each team fool you. He’s also one of the worst if not the worst defensive outfielder in baseball. And I don’t even need to waste keystrokes discussing his unarguable inability to even halfway measure up to Manny offensively.
LOVE THIS TRADE, W00T!!! The best part is that Tampa would have been much better with him than Boston is with him and without Manny. So it really works out perfectly for us, imo.
“Why is Kay interviewing Billy Wagner of app people, in the aftermath of this huge trade deadline news?
I understand its his weekly spot but still…”
Its not like any Ny Teams made a block buster deal if a Ny team made a trade im sure he push it to tomorrow
“Have two brothers ever played together on the same team before? I ask because of the Laroche brothers if anyone is wondering.”
Raymagnetic,
Pedro played with his brother in L.A. i believe.
Brothers on the same team:
Ken & George Brett 1980 & 1981…
Did anyone say that?
“DiMaggio brothers played on the same team. Molina brothers played on the same team.”
Thanks. I didn’t know about the Dimaggio brothers and I had forgotten about the Molinas.
Trading Manny for Bay would be like if we traded AROD for Nady. That said, Bay is better then the two comp picks the sox would have gotten when he bolted in the off season.
Sox are weaker – no question. pen is still weak and the offense, which hasn’t been great, has gotten worse.
Good day for yankee fans, but don’t gloat – we are always an arod hammy pull away from fading.
Pedro and Ramon pitched for Boston together too.
Thanks mko. I’m going to be away from the NYC area the month of August, and I need my Yankees fix. Too bad they make you watch only the home team feed. But at least its better then nothing.
““raymagnetic â„¢ July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Have two brothers ever played together on the same team before? I ask because of the Laroche brothers if anyone is wondering.—
Yeah, Adam and Andy won’t even be the only pair of brothers in the NL playing across the diamond from each other. Adrian and Edgar Gonzalez of the Padres already have that covered.
“The stats of Manny and Bay are pretty similiar.”
Except the entries on RISP. But that’s beside the point. Stats don’t make the league go ’round. Manny is ‘slightly’ better than Bay the same way that Rivera is ‘slightly’ better than Nathan and Soria and Papelbon.
Bay vs. Manny’s current stats isn’t a fair comparison to make.
Bay is changing leagues, changing ball parks and being thrust into a pressure packed pennant race environment.
What Bay was doing in the NL in Pitts may not translate to the AL in Boston.
He could struggle like Drew did last season before he learned the league and got comfortable in Boston.
A lot of variables.
It’s the same for the Yanks with Nady. There is no way he was going to continue what he was doing in Pitt. here right off the bat. There’s usually some kind of adjustment period for these guys.
In Boston’s case, losing Manny’s offense, especially against the Yankees is dangerous since they still have to play us a lot the rest of the season.
Actually, the Sox and the Yankees both have 48 losses.
Boston has one more win because they’ve played more games.
So for all intents and purposes, the Yankees are in second place.
G. Love: I’ll hold you to it!
Oh, duh, Jason and Jeremy Giambi and, perhaps the all-time best, Jose and Ozzie Canseco. TWIN brothers.
“Russell W…you’re right, I am a party-pooper. I just remembered, though, that we have to play the Angels. I hate when we play the Angels.”
I hate it too =( But I never though I’d see the day when Manny left. He has like a .500 average against us. This is a great day, whether the Yanks win or lose. And Pudge makes his debut… woohoo!
The all powerful Schilling will not allow Jason Bay to wear No. 38.
Manny can’t get No. 24 in L.A.. It’s retired for former Dodger manager Walter Alston.
oh wait, my bad, scratch that. Edgar Gonzalez plays 2b. So Adam and Andy will be the second pair of brothers in the same IF right now.
Can i also include Arod and R(ent)rod for brothers on the same team? Oh and Eric and Shelley Duncan.
“Um…this is a Yankees Blog right? Then why are you all so concerned about the Red Sox…oh, because they are the better team…I forgot.”
This is the greatest day in the world for the Yankees. How can you not be happy!?!?!?
Hes just mad Manny was traded and there is a hole now in the Sox lineup. I’m sorry
Buckner – how did the offense get weaker when their stats are identical?
Bay – .282 22hr 64rbi Slg .519 OPB .375
Manny – .299 20hr 68rbi Slg .529 OBP .398
Not much of an advatage to Manny there…
“Then why are you all so concerned about the Red Sox…oh, because they are the better team…I forgot”
hahahahaha
things starting to get a little tense in Beantown huh?
Enjoy Jason Bay’s wonderful defense and his uber glory with RISP!
Brian, you been drinking ESPN’s Kool-Aid?
Nick –
Just hopping back on – - – our long national nightmare is not over
“Buckner – how did the offense get weaker when their stats are identical?
Bay – .282 22hr 64rbi Slg .519 OPB .375
Manny – .299 20hr 68rbi Slg .529 OBP .398″
“Watch the games, statheads, watch the games…”
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Nady LF
P. Rodriguez C
Cabrera CF
That is a beautiful lineup, made even more beautiful by the fact that we barely gave anything up for it.
No, that was Yahoo’s Kool-Aid…but my point was that it is not total disaster trade for Boston. They lose a guy that was a nig distraction and they get a similiar “this year, not career” player in return, for 7.5 mil next year and it frees up some cash for them.
I think Andy will do well tonight…
Did you hear Kyle is the Tiger’s closer….interesting
“Buckner – how did the offense get weaker when their stats are identical?”
Ok, if there’s no pointing out to you folks what the mindset is here, we’ll leave it to the results.
Come August and September and (possibly) October, let’s look at a) the Yanks’ approach to Ortiz and b) Bay’s performance in big spots compared to Manny’s (which was still phenomenal this season, for all this talk of his ‘decline’). I’m guessing you guys are going to be severely disappointed in the change to this lineup.
The Yanks need to go out and drop the hammer on the Angels tonight. Hopefully Pudge gives them a spark. This is a game we need to win, because I don’t feel comfortable with Rasner/Ponson pitching 2 out of these 4. Oh yeah…and Moose coming off a shellacking.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!
Jeff Karstens is starting for the Pirates tomorrow night
As I said yesterday, today is the offical start of Manny Curse (similar to the curse of the Bambino) and Sox will not win WS for another 80+ years
I can’t wait for tonights game!
All I know is that Manny claimed that “he had no peace in Boston cause of Boston VIPs” It’s a simple case of Manny being self-centered and saying, “I’m Manny I don’t have to show up to spring training with everyone else, I don’t have to hustle to first base or run ‘em out”,”I am a slob with nappy hair and can careless about the teams image”, “I am all about me me me”
I don’t care how good of a hitter he is, he is exactly what type of player we need to stay away from next year! there are no buts about this…
Brian.. i agree manny was on the decline and didnt get his typical production..
but he still was someone pitchers worried about, and that reputation made the lineup alot stronger (think how many times people pitched to ortiz cause manny was behind him or how many times manny was intentionally walked)
lets hope bay turns out to be this years version of gagne for the sox. i know nothing about him.
Melky in the 9 spot, where he belongs.
The Yankees play Boston a minimum of 19 times a season…Look at Manny’s numbers vs the Yanks…This is a great trade….for the Yankees. First time Bay comes up and whiffs with RISP against the Yankees, he will be run out of Beantown… How many times has Manny delivered in the clutch in a big game? How many big games has Bay ever seen?…
Just for tonight, I am going to be Positive even if we are losing 25 to 1
but I have a good feeling about tonights game, you can sweep the redsox, but you are not even going to win the first game with us!!!
Let’s go Andy.. this is your night.
Hey didn’t we just pick up a game, when Manny was traded..:)
“Buckner – how did the offense get weaker when their stats are identical?â€
You are comparing a “fully committed” Bay to a “I want the heck out of here” Ramirez. Watch what Manny does to the NL pitchers these next 2 months and then you will see what BOS truly gave up.
“Moose coming off a shellacking.”
I wonder whether the 8 inning start before last took something out of Moose going into the start against the O’s.
I think Moose will give them a very solid 6 – it will be up to the bats to make it stand up.
Nah, I could care less if the Sox win the world series or anything in October this year…but you have a point, right now it is a wash, but October is where it will be judged.
Oh, and who is to say that either team will make it to October?
#1 why didn’t the Mets get involved, for manny? It seem like a match, in heaven.
#2 the ESPN X-Games ads, are very very annoying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ
“Buckner – how did the offense get weaker when their stats are identical?”
I see that. Except the 25 points in BA, OBP, and about 1000 meaningful games.
If you believe Bay and Manny are equals, ok. I believe Manny is one the most dangerous RH hitter ever, and an all time yankee killer.
“Dont let MLB’s affirmative action policy mandating a representative from each team fool you.”
No, people are right in arguing that Bay could be an all-star on better, deeper teams. But he’s not nor will he ever be on the same planet as Manny. Manny is a special performer, the type that you aren’t getting from just any touted outfielder, even one that pans out well.
Thank you so much for the audio, Pete!
I really enjoy hearing players that actually are glad to play for the Yankees and respect what it is all about.
That being said, I am excited to see what Pudge can do for us.
You are comparing a “fully committed†Bay to a “I want the heck out of here†Ramirez. Watch what Manny does to the NL pitchers these next 2 months and then you will see what BOS truly gave up.
Um…Boston game up 2 months of headaches…they already know what they gave up.
i love this trade so much i think im gonna go out and buy my manny dodgers jersey and start rocking that to yankee stadium in support of theos ridiculous trade and the demise of the red sox
This is one of the worst trades in baseball history. Boston got absolutely robbed. Jason Bay strikes out close to ONE HUNDRED FIFTY TIMES PER YEAR. That’s less than once every 4 at bats (hello Wilson Betemit).
Are you kidding me!!! The best right handed hitter in the game for this guy, and they give up 7 million, and Dave Hansen, and Brandon Moss.
I repeat, this is one of the worst trades in the history of major league baseball.
RISP:
Manny- .309 AVG/.968 OPS
Bay- .216 AVG/.651 OPS
A bigger drop off than most realize for this trade despite their overall numbers being similar. That’s why you have to actually look at ALL the stats before you make assumptions.
Fleas being positive?
Okay, now I know “I’m seeing the apocalypse.
I cant believe what iv heard on this blog in the last few days.
1. I dont like the trade for Marte and Nady.(Even though only gave up one stud to be and we no longer a sure thing.)
2. I cant believe that Farnsworth-less was traded for Pudge.(We had a guy behind the plate that was batting .220. Replaced him with a .290 and good defense + there will be less people drinking in the 8th inning now that Krazy is gond.)
3. I dont think that Manny is that much better than Bay.(I think the whole Yankees pitching staff + the whole a.l. pitching staff/teams will have to dissagree with you guys on this one.)
These last few days have to rank up their just below our World Series Championships. In the best days ever.
“Manny is ’slightly’ better than Bay the same way that Rivera is ’slightly’ better than Nathan and Soria and Papelbon.”
Please tell me you are being sarcastic….
“I see that. Except the 25 points in BA, OBP, and about 1000 meaningful games.”
Buckner – Last time I checked…um, .299 – .282 was .017 – this is not .025…good to see that simple math is your strong point though.
“Oh, and who is to say that either team will make it to October?”
If I had to predict, I’d still say both make it. Though their lineup isn’t nearly as scary now, the Sox are still a good team.
But it’ll be the Sox facing the Angels and the Yanks facing the ChiSox/Twins/Tigers, which suits me fine despite the inclusion of Griffey into that equation.
thankful to have NYY complete a trade, without having to pay the yankee tax.
nice to see them get a good return, in the boston trade.
go pirates!
Multiple ESPN commentators calling the Red Sox the biggest loser of the trade deadline? Have I lost my mind? Did that just happen?
Joe Torre must be thrilled. After watching Manny shred the Yankees the last 10+ years, he gets to be happy when that guy sinks other people’s ship.
so as happy as i am about manny being traded, this year boston should not really be our concern. We have both boston and tampa to deal with and when we lose 2-3 to baltimore at home, we need to focus on our own team.
if we get our team on track and handle our business.. who cares whose playing lf for boston.
That being said.. HAHAHHHh.. i cant stand boston
“Oh, and who is to say that either team will make it to October?”
I hate it when reality rears it’s ugly head. Yes, both the Yankees and BOS could find themselves as the odd teams out….but I doubt it. Unless TB continues their unbelievable streak of luck (I’m counting on their young pitchers to fold down the stretch), one of us will win the East and the other will win the Wild Card.
Confucious – you may be right. Baseball in October needs the Yanks/Sox potential matchup…but I believe this is the year of the Halos…
LA radio:
“Manny is a stop what your doing player”.
I love it, the nation now says Manny sucks. Sorry Manny does not suck…
Bay is ok, sorry he is not even close to Manny.
I agree, that Theo did the best he could given his situation.
PJH -
Don’t forget Cal Jr & Billy Ripken played together on the Orioles when their dad Cal Sr was manager.
So anyways ……
Let me get this straight … the Sox basically sent Manny to the Dodgers, paid his pro-rated salary to the Dodgers, plus they coughed up some prospects and got Jason Bay in return.
Wow they really wanted him outta town didn’t they? Bay isn’t a bad player but it’s a step backwards in terms of their offense. Clubhouse-wise it’s probably a step forward from the drama of the last couple weeks.
Correct me if I heard this wrong but the team option is no longer on the Dodgers, so he walks this winter and they get two draft picks, all for a giving a couple prospects to the Pirates? Basically, they got Manny for free for this year’s stretch run (except for sending prospects to the Pirates) they have no obligation to him in the future, and got a couple prospects & draft picks in return? Sounds like the Dodgers made out like bandits on this one.
Today’s trade was bad – but this (imho) is the worst ever:
November 13, 2003 – The San Francisco Giants trade pitchers Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, and #### Bonser to Twins for A.J. Pierzynski
Seeing Pierzynski as their last major piece needed for the championship, the Giants traded three pitching prospects for the catcher. However, the Twins didn’t tell the Giants about Pierzynski’s irritating personality. Pierzynski did well for the Giants, but clashes with teammates prompted the Giants to not bring him back. Meanwhile, Nathan is one of the best closers in baseball, Liriano looks like the second coming of Johan Santana and Bonser is coming along nicely, making Giants fans wonder what could have been.
Source – Fox Sports.com
NongEyeJon: prolly. Hoping Karstens will do well. I have to like/respect pittsburgh, right now.
go pirates.
The nation says he sucks because that is how Bostonians are…he does not suck, he just gave up in Boston.
I guess that Henry did not want to let Manny go…I wonder how they convinced him?
Anyone know the Angels lineup yet?
Your right Brian, I forgot to carry the one.
Dude I’m making a point, not doing math. if you think Bay will do what manny’s done, fine.
Me, not so much.
I’m sure pappi is looking forward to bay’s protection.
“Do any of you have MLB TV Premium via MLB.com? Just had a couple quick questions.
-Does it work well?
-Do you get to watch what TV feed you want to see? For example, watching the YES broadcast for every Yankee game.
It works very well as long as you use Windows Media Player to watch the games and not Silverlight.
The Mosaic software is ok if you need it, most bugs are gone by now.
You can’t choose what feed you want to see – it will almost all the time be the feed of the home team. Be careful if you live in the NY area though – you might be blacked out for Yankees, Mets games and whatnot…”
How do you use Windows Media player instead of silverlight? I can’t figure it out…
“Do any of you have MLB TV Premium via MLB.com? Just had a couple quick questions.
-Does it work well?
-Do you get to watch what TV feed you want to see? For example, watching the YES broadcast for every Yankee game.
It works very well as long as you use Windows Media Player to watch the games and not Silverlight.
The Mosaic software is ok if you need it, most bugs are gone by now.
You can’t choose what feed you want to see – it will almost all the time be the feed of the home team. Be careful if you live in the NY area though – you might be blacked out for Yankees, Mets games and whatnot…”
How do you use Windows Media player instead of silverlight? I can’t figure it out…
torre likes it.
“Please tell me you are being sarcastic….”
Well, if you’re one of the people that actually thinks that Papelbon is on Rivera’s level, that logic could let you argue that Bay is on Manny’s level. Go for broke!
“Um…Boston game up 2 months of headaches…they already know what they gave up.”
You know, it’s funny. Manny has been a jerk for more years than I can count and BOS fans never had a problem with it. Now all of a sudden, he’s a headache. He wasn’t a headache when he helped you win 2 championships. Fans are so fickle these days.
Kevin Kennedy on XM said it best (paraphrasing):
“Manny hits GREAT pitching… Bay hits GOOD pitching.”
I think as Yankee fans we all know exactly what he means by this. How many times does he crush a well-located pitch? All the time. And of course, he seemingly never misses a mistake.
My only gripe with this deal is that it came about 4 years too late.
Even John Henry did not have the stomach to put up with 2 more months of Manny in LF. I would love to hear an interview with Ortiz or Lugo right about now.
WEEI, forget about Full-of-Himself Schilling and give some equal time to Ortiz and Lugo after they stop weeping.
I wonder what Scott Boras is thinking right now.
Brian …
Agreed right now the team to beat is the Angels. That’s not to say we don’t have a shot at winning a post season series over them, but adding Teixeira was definitely a good move by them.
Unleashing Joba on them twice in the same series (3 times if its a 7-gamer) would help our cause significantly if we meet them in October. Pitching 3 ALCS games would limit him in the WS, so I’d want to pace him for the whole ball of wax if possible.
Do Gammons’ eyes look a little red and puffy?
“lets bring in peter gammons for the boston angle on all this” – sportscenter
ha has espn just admitted gammons is the mouthpiece of the boston red sox
i don’t get how edwar gets suspended 3 games and whoever hit a-rod on boston gets no suspension…it is a total double standard
the one thing ill say in defense of manny.
he was right when he said Boston will turn around attack him, just like they did with nomar and pedro. He is right really, Boston treats players in trades so poorly, remember what the did with Mo Vaugh.
pathetic..
Also, ESPN is a disgrace, they are so pro-boston. Everyone is saying this is a good deal for Boston… embarrassing. i guess when you agree to show 150 redsox games on tv, you need to make it sound like they still a good team .
Who thinks Ortiz will go into a 2 month depression, Bat .220 and they miss the playoffs all together? Any takers?
“I wonder what Scott Boras is thinking right now.”
$$$$$
3 games wow? he didnt even hit him plus Daniel Cabrera hit arod and only got 6 games which hes a starter so that doesnt matter….BS
…Did Gammons just say what I think he just said?
Predictions:
1. Chris Britton gets sent back to SWB later this week without throwing a pitch. Bruney will take his place.
2. The Yankees and Angels split their 4 game series.
3. The Yanks eventually get Washburn in 2 weeks.
4. Manny gets lost driving in LA and is late for his first game at Dodgers Stadium.
we need tonight’s game, the other 3 don’t look great
Edwar got suspended THREE games?!?!
That’s not fair. At all. He didn’t even hit him! (cue my yankee biased outrage).
I mean, Daniel Cabrera got six, but he only plays once every five days!
Just go back 4 weeks to the end of June and read some of the posts on this very blog.
What a complete turnaround. This was supposed to be a transition year. With Pudgy, they really think they have a chance.
They have a great set up for 2009, and an enormous amount of payroll flexibility.
So the Angels may take it this year (maybe), but the Yankees have the ability to be the one of the top 5 in the league right now.
Think about it:
(1) A cheap, effective BP.
(2) A replacement for Abreu, or something to make Abreu DH next year if he wants to stay.
(3) Catching solved at least until next spring.
(4) A great line up 1-8, with protection for number 9.
(5) Three excellent starters, with 2 probably coming back by September (great they didn’t get Washburn–that was the olden times).
I am primed for the last 54 games, even though the next 4 are against the Angels. However, this team has kicked butt over the last month against potential playoff competition.
what did he say?
If we can take 3 of 4 from the Halo’s that would be great.
Because Oh my God did you hear the Redsox got Jason “strikes fear in people” Bay, I can’t believe they got him, and all they gave up was some guy named Manny. The nation say’s this guy sucked anyway.
The ESPN trade analysts Sheehan and another guy said it was a win win win trade. They even went so far as to say that Jason Bay is an equivalent to Manny Ramirez but younger and under control for an extra year at less money.
“1. Chris Britton gets sent back to SWB later this week without throwing a pitch. Bruney will take his place.”
The Yankees should retire his luggage’s number when he quits
“4. Manny gets lost driving in LA and is late for his first game at Dodgers Stadium.”
Once he takes the field he tries to find a door in left field but decides to hop the wall to take a wizz before the inning.
Adam: The Sox would not have made the playoffs with Manny.
“Daniel Cabrera got six games for actualling hitting A-Rod.”
I really didn’t think it was intentional – but Buck Martinez’s call may have hypnotized me.
Just uninstall Silverlight (don’t forget to restart your browser)…then it will ask you what player you want to use.
Also, if you still want to use the 1.2Mbit stream, make sure you have the NexDef plug-in running in your system tray. And when you open the 1.2Mb link it might not be the real 1.2Mb stream the first time, you’ll have to click on the 1.2Mb icon to the right of the player window.
The difference between the Angels and the Yankees will be found in the # 4 spot in the rotation come playoff time
I know how some of you like that the pitchers are going after the other teams this year, but my feeling is unless they learn to do it correctly, which is to say, NOT UP HIGH TOO CLOSE TO THE HEAD AREA, it is not worth it.
The Yankees cannot afford to lose Edwar Ramirez for one game, let alone three. I’m at least glad to see that Cabrera also got a suspension this time, however.
When every game is precious, every game is a must-win, the Yankees cannot afford to lose players over this nonsense. Yes, nonsense.
Rant over.
Suxs got rid of Hansen??!!! Isn’t he the same guy that they and Gammons claimed was the next hall of famer? I cant believe that the Suxs paid all of his contract $7, gave up Koufax and only got back Bay. Great trade for the Dodgers and for Yanks fans…The Dodgers gave up nothing, none of there good prospects and no money at all. Crazy that they got Boston to play all of that money. Bay is not that good at all.
I see a huge night tonight for=
Cano (see numbers v. Garland) (4-4) 2 2B HR
Nady (I feel like yesterday he became comfortable as a yankee) (2-3) BB
Pudge (maybe not at the plate but I think he will show us something with his arm) prediction- (1-3) BB
Betemit (look for him as a possible PH if we get in to a tight situation and Giambi is up as he is 1-1 in his career against Garland with a HR)
Angels-
Texiera is going to be hitless look for maybe a couple of walks maybe a web gem.
So it’s effectively 1 game for Cabrera… (ya, penalties for starters never made sense to me)
Imagine the lineup if Matsui can come back and be healthy, and just for kicks, Girardi decides to play him in LF, Damon in CF, and Nady in RF.
Think about a 1-9 of:
Damon
Jeter
Abreu
ARod
Giambi
Nady
Cano
Pudgy
Matsui (batting 9th!)
The outfield defense would be atrocious, but just think about it…
the numbers I listed were predictions not their career numbers (just to clarify)
I just want to know if Gammons said that the pirates got the best of the deal due to picking up “The Best Reliever”Hansen?
i guess mlb realized their precious bosox just embarrassed themselves are cant compete, so they took it out on the yankees
“The difference between the Angels and the Yankees will be found in the # 4 spot in the rotation come playoff time”
A lot of times, the #4 spot doesn’t even get used because of the off days – right?
With Edwar suspended, do they get to bring up another player? I’ve never understood this rule.
Delusional Boston fans will blame Theo Epstein for the Manny deal never realizing that John Henry desparately wanted him gone no matter what.
PittsburghYankeefan-
Great lineup… and we can put in Sexon/Melky in after the 6th inning for defensive purposes.
Red Sox fans can’t spin this one !!!!
This trade is BRUTAL.
The Red Sox basically traded Manny Ramirez, Brandon Moss AND Craig Hansen for… Jason Bay?!?!?
LOL. That’s truly priceless.
pittsburgh yankee fan: Oh, I’d ust have to hope that the other team didn’t hit anything out of the infield!
1. He appealed, so the suspension is held up right now.
2. Of course they can’t call anybody up. If they could it wouldn’t be a real punishment for the team…
pittsburgh yankee fan: if nady is a formal all-star, then it’s an all-star at every position.
bob watson forgot how it was when he played. what a shame…..
Pittsburgh: In that lineup they would DH Matsui, leave Nady in Left and Abreu in Right. The OF wouldn’t be that bad, just Damon’s arm in center
I dont think Cabrera hit Arod on purpose either. BUT If you are going to be a major leaguer then know where your freaking pitches are going!! He hit Jeter in the head last year, has hit Jeter in the hands a couple of times then up and in on Arod. Give me a break already. I dont want to hear from Baltimore that he leads the league in walks and wild pitches..then dont be in the majors if you are that wild and that dangerous with hurting batters. He stinks against everyone else besides the Yanks learn the strike zone. Good thing Cabrera got suspended also, I am sick and tired of jsut the Yanks pitcher getting suspened. The Yanks young pitchers are soo stupid. If you want to throw at someone fine but do it under the belt. They want to be tough guys but have no idea where to hit the batter..
So 3 games for Edwar?
Daniel Cabrera hit ARod and got 6 games?
But Hansen hit A-Rod and gets nothing even after Varitek said the day before that the team would “talk about what to do … yadda yadda yadda.”
Watch next time Joba faces Boston … Joba throws a high OUTSIDE pitch to Youkilis, who whines, and Joba gets tossed & suspended. And next time Beckett or Matsuzaka face NY, they’ll drill A-Rod and both benches will get warned.
Actually, Boston may be getting smart and they’ll have a middle reliever come in and do the dirty work. Just like Edwar did
Joba – If you read this blog, buzz one 6 feet high but over the middle of the plate (or even over the other batter’s box) next time you pitch against Youkilis, and see what happens. If you get tossed, appeal, and remind the MLB guys that you’ve never actually hit the guy. If they don’t throw it out, point to the video tape of Matsuzaka being told by his teammates to drill A-Rod and ask why none of them have faced the same music.
If we can just play .750 ball the rest of the way ( and with THIS lineup and some NEW #4 and #5 Starters soon, it IS possible )…..we’ll finish 100-62 ! Now let’s start with a “W” tonight and welcome Pudge !!!
Doesnt the league know that Edwar cant hurt anyone with his fastball? Im sick of seeing our guys get the most game suspensions in the league. If it was any other teams players they would have had a slap on the hand.
enough of this crap about the angels, we beat them this w/e and next and we could have the best record in baseball, the can be had!
“Imagine the lineup if Matsui can come back and be healthy, and just for kicks, Girardi decides to play him in LF, Damon in CF, and Nady in RF.”
Melky is not just slumping, he has regressed considerably. However, I never want to see Damon in Center again. I don’t care if Melky never gets another hit this season. With the way opposing players just run all day on Damon, it would cost 2-3 runs per game (according to my highly scientific statistical analysis known as guesstimating).
Damon is no longer an adequate Center Fielder.
Griffey will not help the White Sox, and they will put him in CF…
To me both Sox teams had a poor day…
The # 4 starter is a non-factor in the Divisional first round……
lets make one thing clear.
no boston fan, not a single one has the right to complain about manny’s antics or think they are better off now. seriously, if you ever spoke the words “manny being manny”; your nothing more then a pathetic hypocrite with no pride. simple as that
Y’s guy: I like the thinking!
You did see last year’s playoffs right? With Wang pitching on short rest?
Pitt seems to have settled for quantity for their All-star OF, who is controlled next year, at cheap dollars. They should have opted for higher quality talent. I guess when you stink as bad as they do, you figure the more poop you throw against the wall, the better chance some will stick.
The Sox overpaid to get rid of Manny for sure, but lets face it, Bay is a .900 OPS player, and not chopped liver. They have him next year too, if they don’t decide to move him in the offseason. He’s a very good haul considering their options. Moss & Hansen aren’t world beaters either. Moss has no shot to play in Boston, and Hansen can’t handle the pressure put on him from draft day. Oh, and what’s $7 million to the Sox? Clearly they overpaid, but they did do as best as could be expected.
YankeeVIP
Well put … I second that motion.
Can anybody imagine Manny clean shaven, no dreadlocks, and no doo-rag ? Priceless !
Folks. How would you like to be the Brewers. They go out and get C.C. to compete for the division and proceed to get swept by the Cubs. Cant feel too good.
I can.
Real World – they sold low on Hansen, undervalued Moss, paid for Ramirez to leave, and their offense is now worse. Whatever positive we want to pick out of in between the teeth of the Red Sox, there isn’t much.
I would not want to be a Brewers fan right now, no.
“4. Manny gets lost driving in LA and is late for his first game at Dodgers Stadium.”
Im imagining him looking like Forest Whitaker.
“UPDATE, 6:24 p.m.: Shameless plug: I will be on ESPN News around 6:45 p.m.”
YEAH PETE!
EVERYONE WATCH ESPN NEWS
brian and marcus giles LOL
I’d be careful about writing the Red Sox off. I think this was a bad trade for them, though they did get Manny’s replacement for a reasonable cost. Still, they are a worse team today than they were yesterday. However, they still have a very solid line-up with Pedroia, Ortiz, Youkilis, Drew and Bay. They also have 3 top notch starters in Beckett, Lester and Matsuzaka. The bullpen stinks, but they can fix that in the waiver wire period most likely.
This is certainly a great day to be a Yankees fan, but the Red Sox are a quality team and to expect them to fall off the earth because Manny is gone doesn’t seem likely to me, though I certainly hope it happens.
Betcha Jose’ catches both Pettite and Mussina.
Why is Cash so vague about Manny leaving? I wouldnt be surprised if the Yanks paid for the plane to take him to LA. Cash you are allowed to tell everyone how excited you are about the move. The fans are!!!
Wow, 698 posts on a game thread – 35 minutes before first pitch!
“Betcha Jose’ catches both Pettite and Mussina.”
betcha you didnt read todays lineup
Guys,
Instead of dancing in the aisles for the Manny trade, I think you should all focus on the mammoth series that we have ahead starting today. If (and for me it is a BIG IF) the Yankees make the playoffs, they will probably meet the Angels. I see at best a split of the series, most likely just one win. I hope I am proven wrong, but I have a feeling we will see very quiet bats.
I think we have had like 2,000 comments already before the game has even started… can you believe this blog… pretty soon it will be ESPN.com, MLB.com, and the LoHud blog with Peter Abraham.. (that is how it already is for me)
This series won’t be easy and to be completely realistic, a split is the most reasonable expectation.
That said, I think the events of the past couple of days might very well be the push the Yankees need.
Only the Yankees get suspended for almost hitting someone. ALMOST. I could see a game, but 3 games? Just stupid. If an Oriole ACTUALLY HITS a Yankee, they dont get anything. I just odnt see how it makes sense.
Pete is never gonna get his ESPNews time with all the Brett Favre nonsense.
Yankees win the series 3-1. Statement series.
If Pete is going to be on ESPN news, I hope it’s on channel 3 on my cable because I have different espn channels.
With Ponson & Rasner throwing in this series, a split would be most welcomed
“The Red Sox basically traded Manny Ramirez, Brandon Moss AND Craig Hansen for… Jason Bay?!?!?”
You forgot to add “and paid them to take Manny!”
I’m excited to see this. Has he ever been on ESPN before?
SOS- I was just gonna say that. This series is big for the Yankees. If they can win it, it shows we are top 3 in baseball.
What a terrible deal for the Red Sox. They gave up the best player in the deal, paid his contract and threw in not one but two solid prospects. Ouch.
I know Bay is a good player, and to be honest now that he is in Boston, and not the far side of the moon, I am sure he will become much more of a household name and get more respect from your average fan, but…
although Manny’s numbers aren’t that much higher in general, in a big game, when Manny actually cares, such as in any game against the Yankees, or in a big pressure spot, Manny’s unique make-up means he ignores the pressure and somehow enjoy it instead. Then he rips a double into the gap.
Making the adjustment to Boston, plus not being a bit psychotic means Bay won’t be able to duplicate that. The fear factor of facing Manny is gone. With Papi limping through the yr they now rely on nancy Drew. Good times.
SamVA- Yes, hes been on a handful of times
“Yankees win the series 3-1. Statement series.”
I’m with you!
Sam yeah pete’s been on a few times.
everytime pete has plugged himself on espnnews espn never ends up airing it. whats the deal?
Pete has been on ESPN a few times
ok so this time hes on
Trisha – what is NESN’s spin on the trade? Do they think it was good for the Sox?
Edgar & Adrian Gonzalez on the Pads right now along with the Giles brothers.
is he on now? i am at work, could someone please summarize what he said?
UPDATE, 6:20 p.m.: Here is the latest on our old pal Phil Hughes. He will pitch for Single-A Charleston on Saturday and be elevated to 50 pitches. Hughes could be a handful of starts away from being ready.
Cashman mentioned Hughes, Kennedy and Aceves as possible options in the rotation.
Hughes is not an option. He needs to show more than the likes of Carl Pavano before he should be considered as a Yankee starter or relief help. Perhaps he can go more than a month once he is back without getting hurt. His track record is not good.
welcome pudge! i think he’s gonna do something big tonigt!
not on yet they are talking to the angels beatwriter right now
PJH –
I think there will be dozens of other examples but the last borthers on the same team I can think of were Brian and Marcus Giles.
NESN was killing the trade earlier… they thought the sox woulda been better off taking the picks at the end of the yr.
i hope this trade season shows the steinbrenners how badly they need to resign cashman at the end of this season.
Whiff,
Why doesn’t he try winning a playoff game? Oh yeah, he’s already done that, Copernicus.
Pete’s on!!
i certainly hope some of our blog negativists are rethinking their anti-cashman stances!
Pete’s on!
It’s not just about the Red Sox this year. This hurt them for years to come. David Ortiz isn’t getting any younger, and stuggles to play a full season.
Brandon Moss was supposed to be Manny’s replacement in the OF. Look at his numbers in AAA. He was a good prospect. Hansen throws 97mph. Enough said.
Over/Under on Figging being thrown out stealing this weekend.
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Hey Pete, the girl you are talking to is pretty cute
“Hughes is not an option”
Not even for Dan Geise? I think there is a chance he can still contribute this year. Lord knows he is going to be motivated to put the injuries behind him.
Pudge looks good in pinstripes
not sure if it was posted: Cabrera suspended 6 games and Edwar 3 for this week…
Not too sure about the Gonzales – Nunez deal.
I don’t know anything about Nunez other than reading his numbers, and I think Gonzales could be an everyday guy somewhere, but only yesterday the Pudge deal was made because on balance we were weak at catcher compared to RHRP. Cash was worried about another injury (to Molina) leaving us more exposed).
It seems weird to give up our only decent injury cover for Jeter to get another young arm when Patterson, Aceves, Bruney, Britton and Melancon could all answer the call.
What kind of #$@# is this? I don’t have espn news?
that accent!!!!!!!!!
Whiff must be on the DL….Babble on
the more rule 5 names you have, the more confused you make the enemy
Welcome to the family Pudge.
The Angels scare me. Oy
Bill Plaschke from the LA Times on ESPN:
Who cares if Manny is a problem in the clubhouse. Fans will love him because he gives them a chance to win.
Fran it’s pretty interesting. I listened to EEI all day, and when the trade was finally announced, they sounded really excited. I think the pundits, Sean McAdam included, are really believing that the recent swoon by the Sux was helped in part by all of the turmoil caused by Ramirez. Even though some of them (callers too) are saying factually that Jason Bay is not the same calibre player as Ramirez and they are thinking that because he is coming from the NL his current stats are somewhat inflated, they all seem to consider it addition by subtraction. I think they all are feeling that the Sux and Francona shouldn’t have had to put up with Manny’s antics any longer and that even though he had acted like a turd in the past, he really crossed the line this time with all of the disrespect he was showing and the statements he was making to the press. It appears that most are totally relieved that he is gone. I didn’t really hear a lot of consternation of the other kind. A few callers said things like “Thanks for all you did Manny, but it was time for you to go.”
They are all agreeing that Bay is a downgrade of sorts but there isn’t a lot of talk about how devastating that is in terms of losing Manny. It’s more like “Okay he isn’t Manny, but he’s a decent player. YAY! Bye Manny and thank God it’s over.”
of course as a yankees fan i love it that manny quit on the sox and blackmailed his way out of beantown. but rivalry aside, this is a huge black mark on ramirez’s career, he quit on his team, his teammates and the team’s fans. whatever respect i had for him b/c of his clutch yankee killing bat i’ve lost as a fan of baseball, it sucks what he did.
how could you possibly compare pavano’s track record with hughes. that is moronic.
Edwar’s suspension will probably get knocked down by 1-2 games if he appeals, right? I’m sure he will be very contrite at the hearing too.
Anyway, it’s absolute nonsense he got suspended (at least Cabrera did too though, thats actually fairer than I expect from those fascists) but at least he doesn’t have to miss any of this Angels series. I know he will be wanting to go out there and fight against the team that cut him twice.
Question is whether a split of the series achieves anything in terms of proving the team can go all the way. After all, that is .500, which is were they have been lingering for a good part of the season. Not convinced that a split is good. If they want to prove themselves, they need to get the 3-1.
I wonder how David Ortiz feels about Manny now? If I were him I’d be a tad upset.
Fran, as an addendum, there were fans who assimilated the news quickly and did get to the next important phase with their questions to McAdam et al. Lots of them went something like this: Do you think the Yankees are a much better team now with the trades they made? They went out and got Marte and Nady and now they have Pudge Rodriguez. All we did was got Jason Bay and gave up bullpen help!
So those kinds of questions were out there also, but nothing was really framed in terms of why oh why didn’t we keep Manny! Nothing I heard anyway.
ugh, I’m stuck with the Angel announcers out here. All they do is talk about the Yankees payroll.
i have a question in all of this. does manny seriously think that some team is going to pay him more than $20 mill a year? if he does, he;s crazy. Fenway is a hitters park, you’re going to see manny’s numbers decline in la, a pitcher’s park. and he quit on his team, a terrible thing to do in his walk year. with all of the manny being manny stuff we’ve already seen, it probably wouldn’t have affected him this winter. now with this, my guess is that his next contract is 2yr/ 35 mill.
he cost himself some money, the one thing that gammons said drove him.
to hell with a split, i want 4 of the 7 in the next 2 weekends. these guys aint the 27 yankees! they can be taken. we have to take them in the PS if we want to make the WS!
get game one and move on from there.
it’ll be interesting to see if any of the red sox players say how they really feel about manny now that he is gone. seems like some have been holding back, and rightfully so, during this whole ordeal
“Bill Plaschke from the LA Times on ESPN:
Who cares if Manny is a problem in the clubhouse. Fans will love him because he gives them a chance to win.”
He is right. I mean, they have Jeff Kent on their team, don’t they? To them the Dodgers will always be The LA team and with what the Angels have been doing I am sure theyre thrilled to go out there and make a splash too, esp one like this that makes them a lot better.
Also, Torre is the best manager of problem egos in the world, so I really don’t think they see (or have) much reason to worry.
There are few things in life I take pleasure in more than my enemies making catastrophic
blunders … So he’s a pain-in-the-butt, he doesn’t hustle, he whines, complains,
yada, yada, yada … Regardless of his age, his attitude, his salary, Manny Ramirez
was the single greatest slugger I’ve seen in my lifetime … I let out a little
pee pee every time he stepped in the batters box against our boys … especially
when the game was on the line … Jason Bay? Are you kidding? … Well, at least
I can now catch Manny live at Dodger Stadium and laugh every time he crushes one out
and above the smog layer, knowing my team aren’t the ones paying the price …
In the end I’m just so glad that it wasn’t us. Imagine the Yankees trading
A-Rod for someone like Dan Uggla? Oh, Dan is such a nice Christian boy. He’s
not into that culty Kaballah. He doesn’t cheat on his wife with aging pop stars
or cry about how he’s booed by the fans when he strikes out with men on base.
We should get Danny boy. He’s a heck of a lot cheaper, younger and his last
name makes you giggle … I lost respect for Bosox because they soooo
stoopid. But when it’s not my bad, I love dumb.
SWEEP the ANGELS ! You GOTTA Believe !!!
I wonder if Manny helps revive Andruw Jones.
Manny trade to me = addition by subtraction
As much as he may have wanted to go, they wanted him gone more. After 7+ years of sucking his toes and covering for his actions, they’d had it. This deal rings a little of the Garciaparra deal from ’04 when they likely overpaid (Matt Murton, a Moss-like 4th OF type was in that deal) for what they got back. Like Garciaparra, Ramirez lost his teammates and could no longer be trusted. That clubhouse would have been a miserable place had Friday night rolled around and he was still there. Don’t necessarily expect results the ensued after that Garicaparra deal, but I’d guess Boston is a more focused lot than what they were the past couple weeks. Didn’t add needed bullpen help, but improved when they got rid of Hansen.
An aside in Hansen. I’m happy for him. He couldn’t hack Boston, but he has talent. Pittsburgh and the NL may do him a world of good.
Go Andy!!!
“I wonder if Manny helps revive Andruw Jones.”
Does he know CPR???
Can he spell CPR?
If anything, Jones suffers from this as he may not have a regular job in LA.
All right Andy.
Big game it up for us!
Who cares about how the Sox feel about the Manny trade???? Fact is, we are still several games behind the wildcard AND the Sox, facing the best team in the AL and you guys still ponder how Manny and Boston feels? Come on! the problem is lying at your doorstep! You all cannot assume that Boston is coming to a grinding halt and we will just take a comfy spot in the wildcard??
WHO CARES!!!
what is with the suspensions? i didn’t think the whole “situation” with the throw was that serious, but that could be just me.
i wonder if edwar will be the yanks’ eighth inning man.
yeah! sweep the angels! hell yeah! i dont care what the pitching matchups look like, if you wanna be the best team in the league, you gotta beat the best team in the league. i concede nothing to the angels! sure, they got a good manager, so do we! they’ve got some old guys and too many dh’s and problems just like everybody else, they can be beaten!
sweep these guys!
And we’re underway! Let’s go Yankees!
Isn’t that an out? If it hits the bat again?
Hey okay, I’ll go with a sweep! I’m in.
wondering if manny would be in l.a. if tex wasnt in anaheim of l.a…..there is a battle going on for the hearts and minds of los angeles….
Trisha – I’m surprised. Thought people there would be more upset. Guess they really did have enough of Manny and his antics up there.
One down, 26 to go
“i concede nothing to the angels! sure, they got a good manager,”
Wouldn’t concede anything to them either, but they have the BEST manager in the game.
whew! At least your heads are back in the game!
Go Yanks
Angel: It’s an out if it was hit in fair territory, but Figgins was still in the batter’s box.
No harm, no foul.
I wonder if MLB will let Pudge go into the Hall as a Yankee. You know he’ll demand that they do.
Sterling thought it was an out, he was halfway through his opening pontifications on Izturis before he realized what was up, lol.
Pettite looks good
Why does everyone pronouce the X in Xavier Nady’s name?
Is it pronounced in xylephone?
Apparently xylephone is now pronounce Xzylephone… never knew it.
“Sterling thought it was an out, he was halfway through his opening pontifications on Izturis before he realized what was up, lol.”
Sterling gets lost a minimum of 3 times per game – how many times has he called Betemit Cano – lol
…Victor Zambrano?
Whiff: I was wondering about that too.
Oh thanks Rebecca. I figured it was legit seeing as no one really protested, lol. I just wasn’t quite sure why.
750 comments and the game hadn’t even started, busy day around here, huh?
Did michael Kay say Carlos Zambrano???
Victor Zambrano… the healthy Carl Pavano.
Think we can trade him for Kazmir?
Was that Minaya or Phillips?
He said Victor Zambrano was signed to a minor league contract.
Comon Pettitte, throw some damn strikes.
Who is the “big” waiver wire block that some team (other than the Yankees) got stuck with that Cashman referred to? The reporters laughed thinking he was referring to Canseco at first. Any ideas?
Fran, there may be some callers who will be upset, but everything I heard was that they had had enough. I guess fans had started to boo him, and I guess he dogged it a few times either last night or the night before. There was a lot of talk on last night’s NESN Postgame about the time it took him to get down the line to first base and they were actually talking in terms of actual seconds that it should take and the fact that it took him so many more. I can’t see that they could feel any other way about it Fran because the guy’s comments about wanting out had been blasted all over radio and television. During the day when people weren’t sure whether a trade was going to happen, they were also worrying about what would happen to the team chemistry if the trade didn’t go through and also what they would have in a player since Manny really didn’t want to be there.
He really wore out his welcome – but I believe he did it to get exactly what he got, and that was the hell out of Boston.
You know, if Pettitte was simply pitching around Teixeira and Vlad, I don’t exactly have an issue if he gets out of it.
Whew. Disaster averted. Torii’s been knocking ‘em out.
Whiff – apparently he prefers to have it pronounced w/a hard X (X-avier) as opposed to a soft X (Zshavier). I guess because he often goes by X and it sounds more like that with the X pronounced.
haha…Carlos, victor…same thing, right?
Guapo-
1 game out of wild card
6 games remaining against the fading Rays
1 game behind the BoSox (sans Yankee killer ManRam)
2 FANTASTIC trades/upgrades
=
Good day to be a Yankee
Well Torii has struggled in his career at Yankee Stadium. I don’t know whether that’s an individual thing or a collective thing as the Twins as a whole have never played well here, but maybe he was pitching around them. I doubt he wanted to walk Teix though, but maybe Vlad.
tkindc
neither it was duquette
That Griffey trade is almost as bad as the Manny trade. Griffey can’t play CF.
Please score some runs nice and early
Trading for Griffey itself isn’t a bad idea.
The bad idea is playing him in CF.
Interesting… Then if it is a hard X in his name, including a Z sound after the X in still incorrect.
The Z is not implied if the X is pronounced.
TK it wasnt anyone of those two. The gm prior.
I don’t blame Manny. Would YOU want to be a red sox player?!
sos27
i believe it was duquette who was the interim gm just after phillips had been let go and prior to minaya arriving
that Victor Zambrano thing isnt really news… hasnt he been throwing in Tampa at the minor league complex for the last couple weeks now?
“Trading for Griffey itself isn’t a bad idea.
The bad idea is playing him in CF.”
But Rebecca, doesn’t that in itself make it a bad trade? They traded for a guy that can’t really use the way they need to. They can’t DH him because then Thome plays 1B. Having him in CF is a recipe for disaster. Kenny Williams has been trying to get Griffey for years. He finally realized his dream. It will be interesting to see how much it costs them in the end.
I still can’t work out where the White Sox are going to play Griffey.
Okay, Yanks, you’ve gotta be a little better offensively than that
typical impatience against the Angels.
Meh, would have been nice to make Garland throw more than 13 pitches. That said, better 13 than 5.
Dont retire,
I think you are correct. Couldnt remember his name. I try not to pay attention to the Mets as much as possible. Accept for rooting for the team they play against.
well i guess bobby can’t hit a homerun every AB, right?
Exactly. The White Sox made a mistake with this deal. They already have Konerko at first and Thome at DH. Griffey was horrible on defense this year playing right field… and they expect him to play center? Are they crazy? And not only that but he’s not having a great offensive year and is hitting only .230.
It seems like a total waste for them and one that won’t impact their team wins at all.
Or.. what Laura said, lol.
Who’s the odd man out there?
“I still can’t work out where the White Sox are going to play Griffey.”
They can do what we do with our aging players. First base!!
You know, the more I see Bobby in right field, the more I like the idea of Damon/Cabrera/X in the field and Bobby DHing.
for the love of god, DH Bobby
Wow this ump is really squeezing Pettitte on low pitches today. How is he going to get these guys out if he can’t get strikes on low pitches? He’s a ground ball pitcher!
that was an old man slide
Andy doesn’t have it tonight.
Game over.
I’m personally hoping the upshot of this Griffey trade ends up being Thome playing some games at 1b. That would be such high comedy, it’d even be worth enduring the ridiculous White Sox announcers “you can put it on the board, yessss!”
Would they say that about Thome’s errors too I wonder? heh.
ugh @ Garret Anderson. Least he killed Boston too.
Strikes Andy. Please
Andy has it. He’s throwing plenty of strikes over the knees on the black but this idiot ump won’t call any of them!
come on andy throw a doggone strike.
The problem, Michael, is that Vladimir Guerrero is in the midst of a major decline and Garret Anderson was never that good to begin with.
Andy, strikes.
Absolutely horrible control from Pettitte so far. Won’t last long.
Ugh @ this ump
SoS –
On ESPN they were guessing that Konerko will sit more even though he is their captain.
Thanks for the Mets 411 guys.
“Who’s the odd man out there?”
Konerko, who is doing even worse than Griffey.
Who said Robbie doesn’t dive?
Seriously, Andy, throw some strikes, okay?
“Andy doesn’t have it tonight.
Game over.”
You must have missed his last game vs. the sox. Way to have faith in the team.
How can Cano miss that? That’s a tailor made DP ball and he made a horrible slide to try to stop it.
Ugly so far.
There’s only so much you can blame the umpire. Andy’s missing his spots. Even if he’s clipping the corners, or near them, the umpire has no reason to give him extra inches.
Wow, Cano needs to come up with that ball. That hopped a million times before it reached the OF.
And the White Sox also have another player to plug in, with Nick Swisher laying in the weeds. Swisher and Konerko have both been struggling mightily at the plate this season. But that is Ozzie Guillen’s problem, not ours.
Pettitte is not looking his best. I hope he can remain in control…
This ump is beyond horrible on those low pitches.
someone asked last night when was the last time Cano dove for a ball.
3 minutes ago.
2 on by way of defensice indifference.
anybody else think cano has been a bit slower in the field?
Having a hard time throwing first pitch strikes. Maybe he will collect himself. Nice move by Pett there.
Welcome to NY
…erm, someone forgot to tell the Angels not to run on Andy
Well, that’s one way to keep them off the basepaths.
How often does that work for a lefty?
Wow Anderson was so stupid there and bailed Pettitte out big time. He’s not even fast enough to steal 3rd even with that jump!
geez i love his pickoff
Well that was cool!
Why doesn’t Pettitte just intentionally walk the first three batters in each inning and try to pick them all off?
Andy, let’s get some outs at the plate.
Big pick-off by Andy
BOOOOOOO!!!!
/sarcasm
Well, one pick off out of two isn’t horrible…
Well, so far this is right in line with his outing on Saturday, save the two-first inning runs.
1 more Andy
Torre said that he’s happy to have Manny. Supposedly, Bay wasn’t thrilled about the trade.
Hey, anyway you can get out of the inning works for me
Rebecca:
Damon/Cabrera/X Nady would indeed be the ideal outfield (defensive) configuration for the Yankees, leveraging each player’s range.
Granted, you weaken your outfield arms (Bobby’s arm > Damon’s arm), but you have a better chance of tracking down more fly balls.
Xavier Nady can also play some 1st, so DH’ing Giambi is also a reasonable play…
Yup, this game is over.
Get to work Yankee bats.
Andy needs a couple of quick innings to keep his pitch count down – it’s pretty high right now for 2 innings
Pettitte is missing a lot on that outside corner to RHB’s so far tonight.
lots of pitches so far…but i don’t care. the only thing that matters is runs
score lots of em, dont give any up
simple game, huh?
“Torre said that he’s happy to have Manny. Supposedly, Bay wasn’t thrilled about the trade.”
honestly, with the offense Torre has had all year, why wouldnt he be happy right now?
and Bay doesnt seem to me to be a guy who wants to be thrown into the wolves’ den in Boston.
Manny should follow CC’s lead and take out a full page ad in one of the Boston papers thanking the fans for putting up with his crap over the years.
“and Bay doesnt seem to me to be a guy who wants to be thrown into the wolves’ den in Boston.”
The PIT mgr said that Bay liked Pittsburgh and was disappointed to be leaving his teammates.
“Supposedly, Bay wasn’t thrilled about the trade.”
Really?! Wow, that’s kind of comical.
It’ll be weird for him and Nady though. A week ago, teammates, batting next to each other in the lineup; now, bitter rivals. lol
Need to get to Garland early…..
when did arod emerge with the best era in the league?
“Torre said that he’s happy to have Manny. Supposedly, Bay wasn’t thrilled about the trade.”
Like someone said earlier. Who would want to play for the red sox?
So i have a huge delimma. I live in the Anaheim area. Work out of the house. The game is blacked out on mlb.com. I am listening to it because im supposed to be working. Do i
a.Go to the family room and watch the game quitting work earlY?
b.Keep listening on the radio and be a good employee. Even though im the employer?
Oy, Yanks, can we have some baserunners please?
I mean Yankee baserunners. That we can turn into runs. that would be cool.
im stupid…batting average…not pitching
“Need to get to Garland early…..”
not looking likely so far.
First pitch at the knees called a strike. Pathetic ump.
you could pitch giambe up there everytime and he would never hit it
Great effort Giambi, way to make the pitcher work.
Jesus Christ, G. What was that?
Good to see that there’s three baseball wizards on the board that thinks Cano should have flagged down the hit to center field. I figured the idiot Cano haters had died off.
Wow Garland just pwned Giambi there. Jebus.
He isnt actually this good a pitcher anymore as to justify the Yanks not being able to touch him, right? I mean his ERA is over 4, someone’s hitting him…
Guess that’s a no.
Erm. Yanks, you got to score runs if you want to win the game.
What amusing is that batting average is probably the worst way to demonstrate that A-Rod’s the best player in baseball. That he’s hitting .328 is almost coincidental.
This is not encouraging.
I lost $100 for betting Yanks to lose yesterday. Don’t worry. I’m happy that they won. And I’ll make my money back tonight, as I’m betting they’ll lose this one.
Nice to see Garland pitching a NO HITTER. Where’s Michael Kay when you need him? If it was the other way around he would have announced it ten times by now!
Or you could decide like this..
What would Manny do?
Maybe next inning a hit? Baby steps
This is the same nonsense that I’ve been talking about for weeks. Giambi has looked beyond horrible at the plate all month, yet he’s still batting #5 behind A-Rod and in front of Cano. It’s even gotten to the point where Giambi is going down on only 3 or 4 pitches too with K’s. You have to drop a guy in the lineup if he’s as bad as Giambi right now, he’s hurting the team eating up valuable at bats with runners on.
“Torre said that he’s happy to have Manny. Supposedly, Bay wasn’t thrilled about the trade.â€
Torre should be happy. He’s getting one of the game’s great hitters, and they didn’t give up Kemp or Ethier to make it happen…
If Bay isn’t thrilled about going to a contender, then it should make you wonder about him…
Cano seems to have come back to earth. I was hoping he’d keep up the torrid hitting for a while, but I expect that he’ll at least keep up steady production, with a few more hot streaks mixed in.
He’s still having pretty good ABs, which is always good with him.
“I lost $100 for betting Yanks to lose yesterday. Don’t worry. I’m happy that they won. And I’ll make my money back tonight, as I’m betting they’ll lose this one.”
I don’t get it, do you want a golf clap or something?
“I mean his ERA is over 4, someone’s hitting him…”
Those are the ones we usually struggle with. Over 5 = Cy Young vs. us.
I hate Figgins. Hate. I wish he could be traded to Japan.
“Good to see that there’s three baseball wizards on the board that thinks Cano should have flagged down the hit to center field. I figured the idiot Cano haters had died off.”
Hey I suggested two forums during games, one for Yankee worrywarts (that’s being kind) and the other for the more even-keeled among us. But Pete never picked up on it.
Cross your fingers for Andy, he def. does not look good early on.
Why be a fan if you bet against the team? It defies all logic. You would have had to be an idiot to bet against the Yankees yesterday.
nypost.com headline … “Mets Attempted to Trade for Manny”
Why does Giambi make every play look hard?
Everybody in the Angels’ lineup kills Yankee pitching, that’s not good.
Canò’s cooled off a little bit, but he’s working much better at bats.
Andy is battling. Come on Andy!
“nypost.com headline … “Mets Attempted to Trade for Manny—
I think Omar did a lousy job. He’s really paying the price for emptying the farm system in both the Santana deal and things like acquiring a year of mediocrity in Paul Lo Duca. Ironically, the dude traded for Arthur Rhodes was Gaby Hernandez, part of that LoDuca trade. The Mets could have used somebody like Rhodes – that bullpen is really shaky.
This guy’s strike zone REALLY sucks.
If I were a Mets fan I would be pissed (and a loser, but I digress) – The Dodgers gave up practically nothing, are not on the hook for Manny’s options and the Mets have Tatis in LF.
Minaya should have been all over it.
Their team is grinding and our team isn’t.
He should have eaten it, but at least the DPs in order and Figgins is still at 2nd.
C’mon Andy, get through this. We need to win with Sir Sidney going tomorrow.
Oy to the Vey
And Nady throws behind the runner.
“Their team is grinding and our team isn’t.”
Also known as, their pitcher is throwing quality strikes and ours isn’t.
Darin Erstad’s probably avaliable, we could trade Bobby for him. Ditch the lazy latino for the scrappy, white ex-punter. YEAH!
where was that one?
Ugh.. some of these pitch calls…
This strike zone is a joke. No wonder the Angels have such a good road record. The umpires follow them around.
what is up with pettitte!!!!!!!!
Teixiera steals.
It was only a matter of time, Pettitte. Game over.
What is it with us and this damn team?
Well, so far I miss Jose Molina. Then again, the catcher’s spot hasn’t come up in the batting order.
Oh crap.
And so a miserable weekend of baseball begins.
I hate the Angels.
3 runs for this offense against any Angels pitcher might as well by 33. Put the Angels on the field and the Yankees play scared and nervous regardless of how good they are at the time.
andy is back to being andy from may……
somebody said hunter’s been hitting them out
Umm, it is NOT game over. Sheesh.
Damn
“It was only a matter of time, Pettitte. Game over.”
I’m of the opinion that any poster using the words “Game Over” before the 7th inning should be banned from the blog. Who’s with me?
Ugh.
oh my god
I knew that was coming but not torii hunter. ugh. ugh. I hate that ^%$&$%E%#.
ugh.
Andy just doesn’t seem to have it tonight.
Thank you Andy Pettitte, thank you for this pathetic job in the most important game series of the season. You are really a gamer!
Pettitte looked weak from the onset. They’ll be lucky if they get 4 innings out of him. Now the Yankee bats need to wake up; being 3 in the hole against the Angels is not easy, especially given the come from behind record for the Yanks which is dismal this season.
I was slightly hopeful in the first inning, but this one is going to the Angels.
don’t tell me cano couldn’t have gotten that ball
can cano ever make a diving play? seems like he over runs/dives everything to his right
And this is all because of Pudge behind the plate. Putting him into the fire against a contending team catching pitchers he doesn’t know is a horrible move. Pettitte is good when he pitches INSIDE, yet idiot Pudge calls every pitch AWAY SO HOW CAN THROW OUT BASERUNNERS STEALING MORE EASILY.
Pettitte is much better at throwing inside to righties than away. That’s a well known fact, and one that Pudge seems to be not aware of.
And for all of you guys who defended Cano’s missed ball from Kendrick, that ball from Anderson HAS TO BE CAUGHT, and probably costs Pettitte many pitches. Lazy defense.
something tells me Rodriguez/Pettitte isn’t gonna work.
Whose more of a Yankee pain in the rear?
Millar or Anderson
This is ridiculous.
I’m not saying this game is over, but this series is going to suck.
Looks like it is going to be a long night.
No hits by the powerful offense and Pettitte looks like he did back in April.
He cannot find the strike zone. Already 6 hits and it is only the 3rd inning.
Time to get the bull pen going.
Pettitte has been a disappointment this year. Not worth the $16 million.
Are you going to whine all game, Pedro?
I can’t watch this. I can follow it, but the Angels make we want to throw things.
Andy just looks awful. This was the only game I thought we had a reasonable chance to win. So much for that.
Pettitte looks terrible.
Pettitte doesn’t have much tonight. Behind every hitter (8 2-0 counts already) and his velocity is down from his last start.
Tough to fall behind this team because their pitching and defense is very good.
Just have to hope he can somehow stay in the game or the bullpen is going to be gassed for the weekend with Ponson starting.
Right now, its all about trying to preserve the bullpen for the weekend. With this offense, 3 runs down is a mountain.
Cano’s missed plays have cost Pettitte 15 pitches so far and possibly another run. Lazy in the field and it’s killing us.
something tells me Rodriguez/Pettitte isn’t gonna work.
Until Pettitte can pitch better.
Andy Pettitte has faced 16 batters so far and has thrown first pitch balls to 11 of them. Sad.
Game over – Pettitte’s got nothing.
Oh dear
“And this is all because of Pudge behind the plate. Putting him into the fire against a contending team catching pitchers he doesn’t know is a horrible move. Pettitte is good when he pitches INSIDE, yet idiot Pudge calls every pitch AWAY SO HOW CAN THROW OUT BASERUNNERS STEALING MORE EASILY.
Pettitte is much better at throwing inside to righties than away. That’s a well known fact, and one that Pudge seems to be not aware of.”
Clearly, you are a baseball savant the likes of Steve Phillips. You’re absolutely right.
/sarcasm
dam i cant stand when pitchers dont throw stikess. just hate it..
Hey Pudge, WAKE UP.
Pettitte throws a CUTTER. A CUTTER.
When your best pitch is a cutter, you throw it INSIDE TO RIGHTIES to JAM THEM so they don’t EXTEND THEIR ARMS and hit a HOME RUN. Notice that Pudge? It doesn’t take a genius to see it.
And why not call a curveball if he can’t throw a strike with his fastball?
OK guys, have a good night.
wow
Okay, this is really bad.
Not game over, but game in serious jeopardy.
Get Giese up.
Cano- 3
Angels- 3
Yankees- 0
If Cano catches an EASY GROUND BALL, we are still in this game.
I have nightmares about the Angels.
Not one of Andy’s better performances to say the least!
wow game over
What a gamer! Big Game Pettitte!
does not look good.
F&*%. I hate baseball.
No good 6 runs with two outs
Well, this one is done. Now we really need Ponson or the bats (or a combination of the two) to show up tomorrow or this weekend could get really ugly.
The Angels are red, red hot.
That’s why losing a series to a bad Orioles team at home hurts. These guys (the Angels) are really, really good.
Where has our pitching gone?E
4 game sweep. No doubt.
This is awful
Well that answer my question on if i should watch the game or listen to it. Ill just work and listen. With the volume much lower now of coarse.
So gee, does Andy not have it tonight or is it the combination of Andy and Pudge not having worked together before?
Of course we can’t be sure of the answer but I know a few of us wondered about it last night.
3-0 we could’ve come back
6-0, this team just can’t do it
don’t complain to me, i’m not being a pessimist, but this team plays HORRIBLY when they’re behind. if they don’t score first, bad things happen.
Poor Andy…
The Yankees look outpitched, outmatched and very inferior in every aspect of the game to the Angels. No way they get even a game this series. I propose everyone start getting used to not seeing them in the post-season for the first time in a long time.
period game over.thanks god we have joba in the rotation..i put money they are goin to sweep us..watch..
Well that will just about do it.
Hot team versus no offense with no pitching.
Better luck tomorrow night I guess.
No way this team gets 6 runs back from the Angels. 1st pitch swinging will commence.
old Andy boy, when he’s on, he’s on and when he’s not………………wow
“Hey Pudge, WAKE UP.
Pettitte throws a CUTTER. A CUTTER.
When your best pitch is a cutter, you throw it INSIDE TO RIGHTIES to JAM THEM so they don’t EXTEND THEIR ARMS and hit a HOME RUN. Notice that Pudge? It doesn’t take a genius to see it.
And why not call a curveball if he can’t throw a strike with his fastball?”
Andy is a veteran with four World Series Rings. Are you stupid enough to believe that Pudge gets to call his pitches?
In the Kansas City game, Pettitte was crushed precisely because he was overreliant on that cutter. Jose Guillen waited for it and mashed it. In his recent streak of good pitching, Pettitte’s been using the outside corner a whole lot.
He has no command. His pitches are flat. Pudge can’t do a damn thing about either one of those things.
Look on the britght side, Ponson, Rasner and Mussina next. Or not.
Can we at least get a hit now?
We’ll be lucky to go 1-3.
Pettitte obviously has nothing tonight, take him out now. Going to be a tough series if the pitching doesn’t improve.
Oy, two three run homers with two outs. Doesn’t look like Pudge and Andy are in sync at all.
“What a gamer! Big Game Pettitte!”
Cause acting like a lil biotch over the Internet will always take the sting of disappointment out of a rough inning of baseball. good job.
This is a game that we needed…andy did not come to pitch today. Offense will now give up and try to go home as quickly as possible. Cano and Cabrera will seek to hasten that by swinging at every first pitch, so they can go party tonight.
Look on the bright side –
Chris Britton’s parents might actually get to watch him pitch!
Can he eat some innings tonight?
“Pettitte doesn’t have much tonight. Behind every hitter (8 2-0 counts already) and his velocity is down from his last start.”
No it’s not SJ. This is obviously all Pudge’s fault. Ignore what you’re seeing on the screen and make an impulse reaction. It’s the natural and senseless thing to do.
Im sure Pettitte is capable of picking his own pitches. Cant blame Pudge at all. If Andy can’t throw his own game after 14 MLB seasons we have some serious issues to work out.
I was waiting to see how long it would take for some genius to blame Pudge for this outing.
Newsflash, he isn’t throwing the pitches.
Watch the game. Andy has nothing tonight. He can’t locate anything. It happens. You aren’t always going to have great stuff in every start.
Tonight, he can’t locate anything. His velocity is also down.
That’s not the catcher’s fault. That’s on the pitcher.
The guy has pitched great for the last two months and tonight is a clunker.
Doesn’t mean the season is over. Just means he had a bad start.
Cano failing to flag down GA’s single really hurt, no doubt of that.
Can anyone of you stat whizzes find out how many times the Yankees have come from behind 5 runs or more this season?
Oh, yes… ZERO
People say Pettitte and Mussina are pitching like Aces.But Joba did what he needed to do as a rookie in Fenway against a contending team.
If only Pettitte can pitch against good teams can he say he’s a good pitcher.
Go dominate the Royals and Blue Jays Pettitte.
wow did that inning just blow a couple of chunks…
I call a 6 run comeback inning. This game isnt over. Stay with me fellas.
Okay, seriously, right now, I’ll be happy with a baseruner.
I mean, they’ve been great, so I can’t get too mad, but couldn’t Andy and Mussina have picked better times to just get battered?
the angels are just so far superior at this point than any other team. they have a better offense and better pitching staff than any other team. and it is not even close
With Ponson and Rasner looming we are in big trouble.
I hope they do not bring back either Andy or Mussina no matter how much Andy wanys to pitch in the new stadium.
Joba, Wang, CC, Hughes and either IPK or Washburn.
Neither Andy or Moose are worth the $$.
The Angels are on fire.
Garland should be getting lit up with his stuff, but no, we can’t take decent ab’s.
Chris Britton will eat anything, innings included.
Well my rally cap is on.
Please yankees. 1 little hit-a-rooni
“Can anyone of you stat whizzes find out how many times the Yankees have come from behind 5 runs or more this season?
Oh, yes… ZERO”
Great. Go away and do other things, and stop being a friggin’ idiot on this blog. I mean, they are going to lose, so why watch?
Kay is an idiot. “I dont know why there are 2 batting titles, you face National Lague pitching”. Maybe because there are 2 leagues?
The fact that Sidney Ponson is still on this team let alone in the major leagues is a flat out joke. Everyone in the Boston lineup had at least a .300 avg against him and look what happened and now the best team in baseball has their chance to pack their stats tomorrow night. This is why you don’t lose to Guthrie and Cabrera and the last place Baltimore Orioles.
yankees make john garland and jeremy guthrie look like cy young. nice AB by pudge. strikeout on 4 pitches, woo hoo
Cano’s lazy play and Pudge’s horrible pitch selection are the reason Pettitte was as bad as he was.
Cano missed a DP ball he could have reached in the 2nd that cost Andy 15 pitches on a hot night and tired him out.
Then Pudge kept calling pitches away to righties when Pettitte’s strength is inside. He obviously can’t hit the outside corner as well and it cost him big time because he fell behind every hitter and the Angels sat on it and Hunter hit a 3 run HR on guess what… a fastball UP AND AWAY.
6 runs against the Angels is most likely game over.
take him out now.. so they burn out the pen with ponson and rasner and moose.. what are you talking about…
as I mentioned the pudge pettitte thing pettitte is not a thinker he is a thrower….
wow, looks like our offense is on again tonight….
Wow.. bottom of 3rd and already giving up… some of u have dodgerfanitis…
God, he’s being booed already? Those fans are giving us a bad name.
Um, what sane human being would prefer Jarrod Wasburn over Andy Pettitte?
The combination of idiots like Matt and Pedro are turning this place into a lame place to post during games, ugh. Its one thing to be pessimistic, its another thing to be a constantly and proud of being a pessimist. I don’t get people who are never happy unless there is something to whine, bitch and write 1000 paragraphs about, and are never seen when things are going good.
welcome home pudge with a strike out.i want farnsy back…
this is not Pudge’s fault or the two of them not being on the same page.
this is just a bad performance by Pettitte. He is just overmatched by the Angles, pitching scared, missing spots, and now he has paid for it with a loss and 6 ER’s.
He is not a #2 or #3 pitcher any more.
The sad part is that the Yankees have a legit #1, a #3, #4, and 2 #5′s. That won’t work in the AL.
Atleast get a freaking hit
No hitter going for Gardland… who would of thought.
OK, so we are 59 and 48 this season. 10 games against the Angels and that is a 59 and 58 record. Still 1 game above .500. I say we can hopefully end the season with 85 wins. That would be nice.
Hey, look, a baserunner.
Pettitte is a terrible pitcher. He needed a game tonight and throws up a stinker. He should have been traded.
This is a sweep in the making.
Okay, well, the good news is that he won’t throw a perfect game.
Funny that Michael Kay was saying that Pudge is a different hitter now in that while he still hits for averaged he no longer hits for power. Well that typically happens when you’re off roids!
Let’s take a bet on how long it is going to take Kay to say no hitter. It appears the words flow off his lips when a Yankee pitcher is the one doing it!
Ron,
The truth hurts, and believe me, it hurts me a lot. I am just trying to get in a frame of mind of not seeing the Yanks in the postseason, without feeling utterly depressed in September. At least we have the Giants…
They actually booed Pudge? Wow.
I really cringe for some of my fellow yankee fans sometimes.
guys it is pettittes fault not cano..
Pudge getting booed already. Amazing.
Some Yankee fans can be real morons. The sense of entitlement is almost comical.
The guy hasn’t played one full game and he’s already hearing it.
I don’t want to hear the, “we are passionate” nonsense either. That’s just being a moron.
Sometimes, I wonder what these fans would do if they were in cities like Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Kansas City.
They would probably be committing suicide by the third inning of Game One in a season.
Just read this from Feinsand to cheer myself up:
Mark Melancon is now at Triple-A, and if he pitches well, he could be this year’s Joba-type experiment. We’ll have to wait and see how he handles Scranton first, but he’s considered by many to be the Yankees’ closer of the future once Mariano Rivera retires after his three-year deal is up.
Chad Jennings page has some very positive comments too.
garland is still throwing a no hitter… ugh
“Pettitte is a terrible pitcher. He needed a game tonight and throws up a stinker. He should have been traded.
This is a sweep in the making.”
You know, you might be the dumbest incarnation of V yet. Congratulations.
“welcome home pudge with a strike out.i want farnsy back…”
Yeah, it’s like Paul just said. He’s nothing like the guy in Detroit who failed to get a hit 7 out of every 10 at bats.
If cano could catch ground ball it would be 0-0. But Andy did not help matters.
Even with all the trades and stuff. face it. We aren’t that good. Our starters besides Joba are average to below average. Our offense hasn’t hit all year. We may win 85 games.
“Just read this from Feinsand to cheer myself up:
Mark Melancon is now at Triple-A”
Yea? Mark Melancon really helps when Andy Pettitte sucks it up.
Unfnbelievable. We’re getting no hit by Jon Garland.
And make no mistake. This isn’t Joe Saunders. Garland really isnt that good.
And Andy usually is nowhere near as bad as tonight. This is double suck. The pitching and the offense both crapping the bed, and in our most winnable of the 4 games.
Way to go Yankees. Good job being patient and swinging at strikes. Melky, Pudge, Damon just all hacked away at junk out of the zone. With who we have going in the 2nd and 4th games a split would be a miracle against the Angels, who regardless of whether they are good or not, intimidate this team.
Any team just has to wear the Angels hats and the Yankees will roll over and die. Put the Angels hats on the Twins and they even probably beat us.
“Ron,
The truth hurts, and believe me, it hurts me a lot. I am just trying to get in a frame of mind of not seeing the Yanks in the postseason, without feeling utterly depressed in September. At least we have the Giants…”
No, you are being a drag. And I’m a Jets fan.
I still would have liked to see Pudge get a few days to acclimate himself before he caught a game – especially with the Angels in town.
wow original V is a Moron.. I am out for the night the stupid posts when they lsoe are beyond mental retardation level…
the whiners and losers that post here during losses are scary, please do not drive cars or vote.
The Yankees forgot they needed starting pitching too. Oh well, they got what they could.The kids just never pitched well for them this season and that is the story.
So the Yankees have one base runner in three innings against the Angels worst starter. Should be a fun four days.
What part of 3 innings don’t you people understand?
Does anyone really think the Yanks have enough pitching to make a serious run this year?
If the Yankees are going to come back, they’ll need to get some hits!
“Some Yankee fans can be real morons. The sense of entitlement is almost comical.”
It would be funny, except we are all judged by morons like that. Honestly, I wish a whole lot of people would jump off the bandwagon and off a cliff instead.
Michael, Pettitte’s missing by like two feet. Pudge can’t do crap about that.
Christ, if Pettitte doesn’t like the pitch selection, it’s his option to select one. He’s either missing the plate a lot or everything is down the middle.
there are some really stupid fans out there… yankee, saux, and teams of all flavors. Sometime you just have to take the bad with the good. No real fix there.
“Some Yankee fans can be real morons. The sense of entitlement is almost comical.”
And you are exhibit A, friend.
Notice this inning that Pettitte is throwing everything inside. You think he pointed it out to Pudge that his strength is inside and not away to righties?
All the shots away put him behind 2-0 3-1 in counts that made him give up hits. Pettitte is not overpowering, he isn’t going to get guys out with only fastballs away.
And what a horrible night for Cano. 3 missed balls that HAVE TO BE MADE that have cost us big time.
Come on, Robby. This is miserable.
Robbie Cano, Don’t Ya Know
Ack, Robbie. That was a bit of deja vu there.
Ron,
Not a Jets fan, but I am sure you have some faith in Gang Green for this year. As for the Yankees…
So far, this will not be credited as one of Cano’s best games.
cano defense the last 2 days is terrible…
“Notice this inning that Pettitte is throwing everything inside. You think he pointed it out to Pudge that his strength is inside and not away to righties?”
Did you even WATCH his last four starts?
July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Cano’s lazy play and Pudge’s horrible pitch selection are the reason Pettitte was as bad as he was.
SERIOUSLY? You honestly think Pudge is the reason Andy can’t hit his spots, has no velocity, has been almost 2-0 on every batter.
Wow!
Now we got Santana vs Ponson and Lackey vs Rasner.
Angels come into Fenway and YS and take 7 games.
I’m at the point where pretending they don’t exist sounds good to me.
Cano single handedly has handed the Angels 3 of their runs and counting tonight. Against a team like them, you HAVE TO play solid defense, and the Yankees look sluggish and unfocused at the plate and in the field and it’s burning them.
At least the Red Sox probably won’t win this year.
Unfortunately, its night’s like this that will soon turn the game thread into a pile of you know what.
One more comment before calling it a night.
Spoke with a MLB buddy of mine a little while ago. Get this about the Marlins…..
They not only wanted the Red Sox to cover Manny’s remaining 7 million in salary, they wanted another 3 million from the Sox for the “honor” of acquiring Ramirez. When the Red Sox balked, they pulled out of the deal! lol
The Marlins are amazing. They could have had Manny Ramirez and instead they tried to shake down their former owner for more money.
And you wonder why those of us who live down here can’t stand their ownership group and hope they never get a stadium.
Night all, tomorrow is another day.
hahahaha yankees stink nice move by pudge and haha giambi stinks 2 YANKEES STINK
And Giambi drops the throw…at least everyone came to play tonight
I’m new to posting here, but I enjoy reading the commentary. I’m serious when I ask if folks really think the Yanks have enough pitching to make a serious run.
Giambi drops the ball on the pickoff, which they had him picked off on, too. All the little misplays add up, especially against good teams.
What’s also weighing on Andy’s mind is that he’s not getting good defense behind him. Giambi can’t even catch a ball. How are we going to be the first place Angels playing like that?
You can’t blame the 2b when the pitcher gives up 8 hits in 3 innings and 2 homers.
Jeez.
It was pretty astounding how many people said some variety of “I love Cano” just a week ago. If he doesn’t resume hitting .400, we’ll be hearing cries to trade him.
Since Alberto’s gone, I guess Cody Ransom will be the new Eagles Backup Quarterback.
Thank God for Melky in center.
Andy doesn’t have it tonight for sure. And now they’re booing Pudge after striking out in his first at-bat. Nice. And the Angels are always tough on the Yankees, and this year they’re playing like the ’98 Yankees.
How many of you knew thats its almost impossible to win 4 games in the series if you lose the first one….
You would think with Pettite and Pudge, the running game could be neutralized. OY!
“Angels come into Fenway and YS and take 7 games.”
Which paper is running that headline? Because they’re going to get letters to begin with, never mind if we actually *gasp* win a game this weekend.
Not Andy’s night butthe offense will score today – two doubs from the X-man
The Yankees are who they are. They are not an elite team and we should accept that. But I love them anyway. Go Yankees!!!
Anyone who booed Pudge deserves a steel-toed Doc Marten to the skull. Unless they were ready to give standing O’s to Molina’s every AB for the rest of the season, and then inevitably Moeller’s when Molina got hurt from playing everyday.
Meanwhile this absolutely sucks. 4th inning of the 1st game and we’re getting destroyed already. Hopefully the Yankees can turn it around but this is certainly an ominous start.
I was hoping I would stay home and enjoy a close, well fought game but instead we get this stinker. Well, I’m off to dinner and tomorrow will be another day…
It’s only the 4th inning and this game feels like it’s been going on forever.
I think we can pull off a split. I still have faith in this offense, based on their recent play. But this game isn’t looking good.
“hahahaha yankees stink nice move by pudge and haha giambi stinks 2 YANKEES STINK”
… Giambi?
…
Does anyone have a clue on this one?
michelle – they were talking about winning 3 of 4
If the Yankees were playing as well as the Angels I certainly wouldn’t have time or the interest to go to the blog of the team they’re playing and gloat and generally give my fanbase a bad name.
Then again I have a job and I’m adult, and I dont type in “textspeak” so I guess thats probably why I’m not even tempted to do that.
The offense will score today? What have they done tonight to make you think that? Why not let them actually… oh… SCORE before giving them a W? They’ve played like garbage, they have to start picking it up and fast or they’re going to get blown out tonight.
What’s also weighing on Andy’s mind is that he’s not getting good defense behind him.
What should be weighing on Pettitte’s mind is that he needs to throw strikes and not worry about everything else.
If he wants to add headcase to his resume, that is fine, but do it in the post season, not when you are a declining product overmatched by the other teams offense.
Thank god for Melky in center? What centerfielder do you watch that does nto make that play? He made it look much more difficult than it was.
Ron im with you bro. Possitive vibes will get us right back in the game.
Need to call up another Bullpen arm by tomorrow, so that they won’t be over used this week.
Jon Garland is a FA next year!
Hope our older pitchers aren’t going through the “dead arm” phase at the same time.
If we lose ten in a row, maybe we can still get some good prospects by putting up a lot of our players on waivers and see if they’re claimed.
If Manny goes on waivers, and we have the chance to put in a claim, do we eat the remainder of his contract due him by the Red Sox?
You know that Andy has nothing when he’s generating so many flyball outs. He’s a groundball pitcher. Not as extreme as Wang, but he depends on keeping the ball down.
Notice- every fastball away the Angels are CLOBBERING. CLOBBERING.
Yet where does Pudge keep calling it? Away. Pettitte needs to throw cutters inside and jam them and keep them from driving it every at bat.
Pudge has a reputation of being a guy who calls fastballs away to help himself throw out runners stealing. So far it looks like he’s living up to that.
You know, I know this is one of Andy’s worst starts all season, and it’s coming at an awful time, but that doesn’t mean you should be out on a ledge.
Michelle, that’s not what he said. He said it was hard to win a four game series after losing the first one. Nothing was said about it being hard to sweep a four game series after losing the first one.
Fact is we’ve run into the 2 hottest offenses i n the Al back to back. Yes, I do include Baltimore there. They’ve been scoring like crazy lately, just giving up runs in bunches as well, so they haven’t been winning.
The Angels were averaging well under 4 runs / game through June. Now averaging 6 per in July. Bumping into them at very much the wrong time. But I’ll hope for the best.
“What’s also weighing on Andy’s mind is that he’s not getting good defense behind him.”
Generally that’s Mussina’s territory. Andy’s pretty good at picking up teammates. He puts so many guys on base anyway.
“Ron im with you bro. Possitive vibes will get us right back in the game.”
It’d be nice if it worked that way. I can guarantee one thing: positive vibes will make posting on this blog a hell of a lot less irritating.
Rick — I agree. That’s what makes it hard, though, because we’re so used to the Yanks making lemons out of lemonade. Personally, I think the Yanks have won in recent years despite Cashman’s poor decisions. I know he has some fans on here, but he’s basically overpaid for an aging lineup, and he doesn’t know a damn thing about pitching.
“Spoke with a MLB buddy of mine a little while ago. Get this about the Marlins…..”
This guy’s buddy is Hanley Ramirez. People will say anything online.
Confucius
July 31st, 2008 at 8:21 pm
“hahahaha yankees stink nice move by pudge and haha giambi stinks 2 YANKEES STINKâ€
… Giambi?
…
Does anyone have a clue on this one?
Yes, it is Stuey and Brian from the Family Guy doing a bit on this blog. Either that or George Bush just discovered one of the many “internets”
wow…just went downstairs to get a cup of coffee. come back anit’s 6-0.
Anyhoo…relax people. Bad game for Andy, and we’re not expecting to win every game just because we got Pudge right?
This is painful. What’s on Soapnet….the drama must be better than this?
Is it really only the 4th?
“Notice- every fastball away the Angels are CLOBBERING. CLOBBERING.
Yet where does Pudge keep calling it? Away. Pettitte needs to throw cutters inside and jam them and keep them from driving it every at bat.
Pudge has a reputation of being a guy who calls fastballs away to help himself throw out runners stealing. So far it looks like he’s living up to that.”
If Andy thought he was wrong, do you really think he’d give in to the newcomer?
They are talking. That Andy’s still going away tells me that its his decision.
Do you have a grudge against Pudge or something?
Matt, really, all you are doing is showing how you don’t have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
You do realize Andy is pretty much calling this game, don’t you? When a catcher works his first game with a pitcher, the pitcher is in charge.
To blame Pudge for Andy having a bad night is ridiculous.
I get the fact you are in a hissy fit because the Yankees are losing. However, it has nothing to do with tonight’s catcher. He’s not the guy throwing the ball.
Anyone that calls themselves the “president of the wilson betemit fan club” obviously is deranged.
Was the Sexson presidency taken??
Oh man, if this keeps up it’s going to be very long weekend out here in Orange County for me and every other NY Yankee fan……It’s been a tough 6 years for us Yankee faithful…..
Losing tonight does make it nearly impossible to win the series. It is like a 3 game sweep. Not easy to 3 game sweep the Angels.
Yankees had a big comeback in them the other night. I hope it doesn’t take as long for them to get on the board tonight.
Clue to Michael Kay: GARLAND IS PITCHING A NO HITTER!
Come on Yanks.
A hit.
One. Measly. stupid. hit.
I’m in the Bay Area. At least the comparisons are much easier up here.
Has Garland thrown more than 10 pitches in an inning?
You realize Andy can’t have a bad game, right?
Not with Ponson and Rasner pitching.
Cashman F’d up big not going after Harden.
“Anyone that calls themselves the “president of the wilson betemit fan club†obviously is deranged.
Was the Sexson presidency taken??”
Anyone who takes such a moniker seriously enough to attempt to make fun of it is obviously an idiot.
Lets get 3 runs and go from there
Ever think that as bad as the Angels are in the Yankees head, they could spot the Yankees 10 runs and the Yankees would still lose.
Garland- .285 BAA, 4.30 ERA or so coming into tonight.
You can’t win if you score zero. As bad as pettitte has been, this is, yet again, all about the offense. If they scored just 2 or 3 and made this closer they would still be very much in it.
anybody need any more evidence that what the yankees needed most was a pitcher?
but hey, at least they filled that aging-former-superstar-in-his-walk-year void. oh, wait.
“Either that or George Bush just discovered one of the many “internets—
Nah, Bush at least understands how to use punctuation. Though … I don’t know how much trouble he has locating the right keys on a keyboard.
Last i heard the pitcher can shake off the catcher or call time out. The 6 runs are all on Pettitte. He’s throwing batting practice.
Kasey — that’s Cashman’s specialty
Great way to start off the weekend series. A nice blowout.
Good thing Cashman held onto Cabrera and Kennedy.
Make a run for Harden???? If you don’t make the Santana deal, how do you make the Harden deal? And he is injury prone and a bullpen killer due to innings limits.
There we go
“Cashman F’d up big not going after Harden.”
I’m also a Cubs fan, and I’m counting the days until the first time he leaves a game with shoulder tightness.
Well, there’s one back.
BOBBY
6-0 down and its on the offense? Matt, I didn’t think you could top yourself yet, you have! lol
I guess pitching with a 6 run lead doesn’t make Garland relax a bit and be able to attack the zone more.
Too funny.
“anybody need any more evidence that what the yankees needed most was a pitcher?”
You said it. We’ll never survive the stretch run running out Andy Pettitte every five games.
Haha that’s funny- they were actually about to time Garland and call an automatic ball on him.
Nice power by Abreu. That pitch was very in on his hands and he got jammed and still hit it out. He has more power than people give him credit, but hitting 3rd he usually just try to get on base for A-Rod.
Someone came to play baseball today!
Too bad the bases weren’t loaded
5 more to go!!! Good vibes!!
A hit, a very palpable hit.
(bonus if you know the quote)
The offense, as has been the case from the start of the season, is simply not good enough. It is feast or famine. Dominated by another middling pitcher.
By whatever means, it has to be retooled in the offseason.
Abreu is really hot since the All Star break
Boy, Bobby’s hot.
No hitter gone. Yankees on the board.
“Kasey — that’s Cashman’s specialty”
Yes. Because Kyle Farnsworth was going to be a major piece of the deal for CC Sabathia.
You guys are just clueless.
Hey, two hits in a row!
Three hard hits ropes
hamlet
The journey of a million miles begins with a single step.
You’re welcome for the jinx by the way.
We can hit the Angels, but can Ponson or Rasner hold them to 3 or 4 runs over 6 innings?
“A hit, a very palpable hit.”
You have to come up with something more obscure than Hamlet if you’re going to be giving out bonuses.
6- ZERO. Yes, that’s about the offense.
You can’t win if you can’t score. You lose if you score zero whether you gave up 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, OR 6 runs. They can’t expect to beat good offensive teams scoring 2 or 3 runs regardless of who’s on the mound.
Like I said, Pettitte HAS been bad, but you can’t expect him to throw a shutout, he’s not overpowering anymore and the Angels are a good hitting team. He made 2 mistakes, 1 which never would have happened if not for Cano missing Anderson’s ball, and take that out and at 3-1 this is still very much a game.
5 more runs please
hamlet
A blast and a hard hit double by A-Rod. Now they are beginning to show signs of life. One swing of the bat from Giambi can get them right back in it.
Why don’t you all stop fighting and trying to one up each other and let us enjoy the damned game!
SJ,
Kay said on tonight’s broadcast that Andy doesn’t like to think much on the mound and likes his catchers to just put down signs and throw the ball. The inference being that the lack of comfort with Pudge was keeping Pettitte from getting in a groove. Not saying it’s Pudge’s fault per se, but that the problems they seem to be having communicating weren’t helping.
You disagree with this?
I figured we needed some easy ones to lighten the mood.
Saturday is now the only game that the Yankees have a puncher’s chance of winning. That is really depressing.
“Make a run for Harden???? If you don’t make the Santana deal, how do you make the Harden deal? And he is injury prone and a bullpen killer due to innings limits.”
Maybe we should have made the Santana deal. Especially if we are going to give Sabathia 150 mill. Kennedy stinks. Hughes is always hurt. And don’t get me started about Melky.
A horse. My kingdom for a horse!
Giambi now 0 for 14 in his career against Garland.
Matt: Six nothing is not two nothing.
Big difference.
Who you people gonna cry about and blame now that Farnsworth is gone?
where is everyone’s sense of humor on this board…people are gonna jump off buildings around here……
confucious,
the problem isn’t pettitte. the problem is that, with ponson and rasner in the rotation, they can’t afford for pettitte, moose and joba to have these types of games.
i thought that was pretty clear, but i guess i should have been more detailed so you could pick up on it.
Come on Robby!
Wow, they just showed Guerrerro throwing one from foul territory next to 3rd base at the stadium into the area between the RCF bleachers and the fence on a line. Google Earth says that’s about 360 feet.
YankeeJosh, I agree! They can’t have meetings after every freaking pitch!
Ray are you kidding me? Put the Yankee players in alpha order and pick one. I guarantee you’ll hit it. Or if the Yankee players are having a great game they’ll crap on Meachem.
SJ…During your vacation you’ll notice that the collective IQ’S dipped dramatically…
Rasner is a solid pitcher but he is no John Lackey. We had to win tonight. Another loss does not help our run. Especially at home.
I really don’t see Sabathia wanting to play on the East Coast
Giambi is making my head hurt.
Girardi should complain about how slowly Garland is working. The umps apparently told him to speed it up immediately before the Abreu/Alex hits and it obviously rattled him a bit. But he’s still working slow, and there is a rule about that now. Umps may call a balk on him if Girardi complains.
“the problem isn’t pettitte. the problem is that, with ponson and rasner in the rotation, they can’t afford for pettitte, moose and joba to have these types of games.
i thought that was pretty clear, but i guess i should have been more detailed so you could pick up on it.”
Mm. No.
Pettitte giving up 6 over 3 is no better if you have Jarrod Washburn pitching instead of Darrel Rasner. By your logic, any loss that has nothing to do with Rasner or Ponson is ‘evidence that we needed a starter.’ If Rivera blows a game, that proves that we needed to trade for Washburn?
No. Doesn’t work.
Well, one run is better than none.
Hold the Angels here, we may yet have a chance.
Great O’Neill story about Rob Dibble…can O’Neill do every game?
“The offense, as has been the case from the start of the season, is simply not good enough. It is feast or famine. Dominated by another middling pitcher.
By whatever means, it has to be retooled in the offseason.”
Well, Giambi and Abreu are free agents. I have no doubt that Cashman will explore other options. Jorge Posada ought to be healthy for next season, in part because we acquired an aging, former All-Star catcher in his walk year.
Well, they looked better that inning. Unfortunately Pettitte’s poor pitching has them in a hell of a hole.
My only hope is that our pitchers dont go through a dead arm stage in August. We cant afford to have big defecits to comeback from.
Now catching for the Yankees…JOSE MOLINA
I am confused by the fanbase here. First, they are all excited and giddy about getting Pudge, then you are all whining because Pudge is not giving the correct signals, thus making Pettite lose his groove.
People, fact is that the Yankees have a middling, mediocre offense and aging, unpredictable pitching. This is a team in transition that will get good in ’09 and will be a contender but not this year
Cano had a good at bat, but again, Giambi killed us in the big spot barely driving it with a 2-1 count with a runner at 2nd and one out. Giambi needs to be dropped in the lineup. Cano needs to be hitting 5th and possibly Nady 6th to split up him and Giambi. Giambi is also hitting .200 with RISP. A #5 hitter hitting .225 this month and .200 with RISP is killing us at the plate.
just because hughes won’t live up to his potential and kennedy won’t be a decent ML pitcher doesn’t mean cashman should have pulled the trigger on santana. no way to know how he would have panned out in pinstripes, and you can already see signs of decline. i think hughes will be mediocre at best and kennedy won’t be even that, but i can’t kill cashman for not doing that deal. i can and will kill him for igawa, pavano, hawkins, ponson, etc.
the pudge deal is a good deal, but i believe it to be unnecessary. what the yankees needed was a starting pitcher to solidify the back end of the rotation so that when pettitte, mussina or joba has an off game (and all of matt’s insanity aside, this game is on andy) it doesn’t automatically equate to a lost series.
good ol’ .200 with RISP giambino strikes again.
Bingo, Kasey, right on.
By the pricking of my thumbs, an out with R.I.S.P. this way comes
(i even kept the iambic rhythm)
Pudge is good obviously for the yankees… but Molina is the man for getting pitchers in the groove.
“Pettitte giving up 6 over 3 is no better if you have Jarrod Washburn pitching instead of Darrel Rasner. By your logic, any loss that has nothing to do with Rasner or Ponson is ‘evidence that we needed a starter.’ If Rivera blows a game, that proves that we needed to trade for Washburn?”
washburn gives you a better chance to win than ponson or rasner, right?
thus, pettitte’s awful performance now means the yankees are even less likely to win or split this series. washburn’s presence would raise their likelihood of winning the game he pitches, right? can we agree on that? thus raising the yankees likelihood of winning or splitting the series, right?
you’re missing my point completely. but at least you’re being a prick about it.
Why were people so infatuated with voting Giambi to the All Star team? Just because he is a Yankee? He wasn’t that good at the break, and he has been awful in scoring situations lately.
kasey, you have to realize that the igawa, pavano, hawkins, ponson, etc. deals carry virtually no risk for the yankees, we only risked money, which we have plenty of.
To have the Yankees in position to go to the playoffs with this pitching staff is a miracle. We’re talking about Mike Mussina and Andy Pettite as our aces.
The Yankees have been rebuilding for years now through the farm. How would you Cash haters suggest he bolster the rotation? Through FA? Barry Zito? Kyle Loshe? Through trades? Who was available?
The pieces come together in ’09. CC, Wang and Joba, then you can fill in the back 2 with whoever.
Pete put it best, ’08 is more about ’09. We’ve been masking bad pitching with great offense, but not for long.
“just because hughes won’t live up to his potential and kennedy won’t be a decent ML pitcher doesn’t mean cashman should have pulled the trigger on santana. no way to know how he would have panned out in pinstripes, and you can already see signs of decline. i think hughes will be mediocre at best and kennedy won’t be even that, but i can’t kill cashman for not doing that deal. i can and will kill him for igawa, pavano, hawkins, ponson, etc.”
Holy Jumping to Unwarranted Conclusions, Batman!
Hey everyone, just got home and checked the score of your game. Angels suck don’t they? What they did in most of the Sox games was have one BIG inning and score 3+ runs, and not really hit for the other 8 innings. Meanwhile, they dominate their opponent with their pitching. It seems to work very well for them unfortunately.
Just wanted to put something out there about Manny and team chemistry. I read a report that a poll was taken by the entire team and asked if Manny should stay in Boston. Out of 25 guys, ONE player said yes. I don’t know how accurate this report is, but that is just sad. I didn’t realize it was that bad in the clubhouse.
Pettitte’s looked like a completely different pitcher pounding the righties in again and mixing in the slow curve. Is it obvious yet that Pudge and Pettitte were very out of sync working together for the first time and that it hurt them early?
It’s still the fifth inning.
The game is not over yet.
“Now catching for the Yankees…JOSE MOLINA”
Jose is not catching until Saturday for Mussina
Let’s see what the new guys can do this inning
I’m the most cynical Yankee fan there is, but even I can’t believe the criticism of Pudge’s game-calling. The dude has to learn an entire new pitching staff and he got into Yankee Stadium at 11am. In essence, Pettite, then, should be calling his own game, and he probably is…and if he is, then HE is the one who has been absolutely atrocious.
The Mariners were asking for two top prospects, not just from the Yankees, but from the Rockies AND for salary relief. Jarrod Washburn and his awful contract are not worth one, let alone two, elite prospects is this or any other universe.
TGFizeek,
Very well put. Pettite and Mussina are there to bridge the young generation coming up. They are over the hill and will get into their usual “dead arm” jig by mid august. They are not here to get the Yankees another championship!
Why do so many think CC is going to be a Yankee in ’09? He likes the West Coast. Plus it will haunt the Yankees when is out of shape body falls apart.
It’s not easy, but I’ll tip my hat to the Angels and admit that they’re the better team right now. However, it’s a damn shame that the Yankees don’t have a single position player under 30 around which to build a team. And they have but one starter — in Joba — who provides any excitement for the future.
Let’s go Pudge
Yanks in ’09, that’s because there are about 10 idiot trolls on here. Official, green, slim covered trolls.
CC may have a huge frame, but he’s definitely not out of shape. He’s been one of the most durable pitchers in baseball and thrown 200+ innings for many years in a row with only minor injuries here or there, which is normal. Granted, I don’t think he will play for the east coast teams after his recent comments, but a young, hard throwing, successful in the AL lefty is definitely a solid pick up for any team who only needs to give up a first round pick and cash.
It wouldn’t surprise me if niether CC or Texiera were Yankees next year.
That doesn’t mean I’m writing off the Yankees this seaso, or next.
“Is it obvious yet that Pudge and Pettitte were very out of sync working together for the first time and that it hurt them early?”
It’s obvious to me. In fact I would have been surprised if it didn’t happen, though I wish it hadn’t happened to the extent it did!
I would think that eventually he will be able to handle our pitchers, though it appears Molina is superior in terms of throwing runners out.
also, this ’08 is about ’09 stuff is bs. in case you missed it, we just picked up nady, marte, and pudge to go for it in ’08. Cashman has explicitly said that we are going for it this year. the only thing is we aren’t doing it at the risk of our future.
Also, to people who are acting like our season is doomed, if we lose tonight, we will be 1.5 games out of the wc with 54 games left, which hardly puts us out of it, especially when you consider we have improved relative to our competition through trades and likely will continue to through future trades and internal moves. it’s possible we don’t make the playoffs but we are very much still in the race.
…Way to waste a lead off walk.
Screw my previous statement…PUDGE STINKS….jk
At least Pudge hustled and almost beat that out, but still a horrible at bat down 5 runs after a leadoff walk.
so far sexson is the only guy they traded for that has shown us a hit in his first game
Anybody who’s planning to complain about Pudge’s impatience at the plate, can just shut up. He’s been doing it his whole career, and so far, it’s worked out.
Although with that triple, it hurts a bit more.
How big are these crushing GIDP’s after hits like that?
This is why I say Jeter hurts us more than stats can show with his double plays.
wow, Melky could had scored some runs if it wasnt for the double play.
That sucked
maybe we should have given seattle melky for washburn
…Two triples in a row?
I can live with this.
Bad play by Vlad…
wow should be 6-4 rite now
Wow that double play turned this from a 3 or 4 run inning to a 1 or 2 run inning. Too bad.
“thus, pettitte’s awful performance now means the yankees are even less likely to win or split this series. washburn’s presence would raise their likelihood of winning the game he pitches, right? can we agree on that? thus raising the yankees likelihood of winning or splitting the series, right?”
Yes, Pettitte pitching poorly decreases our chances of winning the series. We both agree, thankfully, that a loss decreases our chances of a winning record over a select number of games. Glad we worked that out.
And Washburn pitching tomorrow and pitching well would likewise increase our chances of a positive record. This really seems easy.
So again, what the hell does one have to do with the other? How does Pettitte — who is pitching this game no matter what — pitching badly constitute evidence that we needed Washburn? If anything … Rasner or Ponson pitching poorly constitutes evidence of that.
“you’re missing my point completely. but at least you’re being a prick about it.”
Yeah, because ‘i should have been more detailed so you could pick up on it’ was just being so warm and friendly.
What is almost as important to me as making the playoffs is seeing Ian Kennedy and Phillip Hughes prove they belong in the major leagues. I want them ready to be reliable contributors next season.
ZMAN7777\, I’m guessing that you’re not a Yankee fan but I could be wrong. But in any event, I think you’re probably wrong about the future and Yankee pitchers.
Incidentally, those are my Yankees out there, hustling and making things happen. I’m sure you have to be impressed.
4 more!! Keep the vibes coming.
Oh yay! ANother run thingie!
Whne was the last time the Yankees had back to back triples? As NY Highlanders?
I won’t slam Pudge…he’s got to be nervous and anxious.
Love that this is happening with 2 outs.
Well at least DJ can’t hit into a DP with 2 out, even if there were a runner on first!
I hope Pudge is talking with Pettitte on the bench
My insightful analysis and first comment of the night:
MAN I HATE DOUBLE PLAYS!!
Well it wasn’t a triple, but when was the last time?
Pudge hit into a DP, who cares, it’s not like the rest of these guys have never hit into a DP before.
They weren’t quite giving up this year, look at all the trades they made. They were hoping to transition while winning, and Hughes, Wang, and Kennedy all went down or didn’t pitch well for stretches. That sets their plan back at least a year with the young pitchers. They were hoping that Hughes and Kennedy could break in this year and they could be really good for 2 or 3 more years before Jeter and A-Rod and co get old.
ouch
DJ…just not clutch any longer.
You couldn’t be more wrong, Trish. I’m a fan since ’72. I live and die with the Yanks. I just get frustrated when they are mishandled, as I’m sure we all do.
Well, they aren’t out of it yet. But that was a frustrating inning.
Keep the Angels here, keep chipping away at runs, don’t GIDP (attn Jeter and Pudge)
We’re within four–we can still tie it on one swing.
It’s not over yet.
Well Pudge’s DP killed their potential huge comeback. If that’s a strikeout instead of a DP we score at least 2 that inning, possibly more.
captain clutch
hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha they stink
This game is the exact reason why Cashmans 3 moves mean absolutely nothing. This team NEEDED a starting pitcher the most and he fixed every other move except that one. I don’t know who was available but Cashman had to get a pitcher. Mussina and Pettitte have been pitching WAY over there heads everyone knew that it was too good to be true and it wouldnt last. They both imploded there last 2 starts. Now they have Rasner and Ponson going in this series..So 2 more loses. When you dont have pitching getting an outfielder and reliever means nothing. Cashman should of just gave the Mariners a decent prospect instead of playing chicken.
damn, jeter’s losing it…i’m sad to see it
Really frustrating with the DP, but any catcher is going to hit into them.
“They weren’t quite giving up this year, look at all the trades they made. They were hoping to transition while winning, and Hughes, Wang, and Kennedy all went down or didn’t pitch well for stretches. That sets their plan back at least a year with the young pitchers. They were hoping that Hughes and Kennedy could break in this year and they could be really good for 2 or 3 more years before Jeter and A-Rod and co get old.”
Jeter’s already old. A-Rod has the skill set to age much, much better than Jeter. And there will be new bats in 2-3 years. AJax at the very least. Maybe Montero will be ready. And there will be free agent signings and trades.
Well, this game isn’t over yet.
Hopefully we can hold them to 6 and then get back to work
With Pettitte, it seems that when he has bad outings, it’s often one brutal inning. Then he usually rights the ship, although the damage has been done.
Does anyone know HOW Pettite is pitching so much better now?
YANKEES STINK victor zambrano hahahhaahhahaha 6-2 GAME OVER LETS GO ANGELS 2008 W.S CHAMPS!
“This game is the exact reason why Cashmans 3 moves mean absolutely nothing. This team NEEDED a starting pitcher the most and he fixed every other move except that one. I don’t know who was available but Cashman had to get a pitcher. Mussina and Pettitte have been pitching WAY over there heads everyone knew that it was too good to be true and it wouldnt last. They both imploded there last 2 starts. Now they have Rasner and Ponson going in this series..So 2 more loses. When you dont have pitching getting an outfielder and reliever means nothing. Cashman should of just gave the Mariners a decent prospect instead of playing chicken.”
Uh huh. Riiiiiiight.
Anyone see what George Kontos did tonight?
8ip 1 hit 0er 1 walk 13k’s
Jeff Mathis…MONSTER
Maybe it’s the Angels.
I saw Pettitte pitch against the Angels last July. Final score of that game? 14-9.
Jeff Mathis? Seriously?
“Anyone see what George Kontos did tonight?
8ip 1 hit 0er 1 walk 13k’s”
If he’s healthy, that’s quite a miss by the Bucs.
Yeah…I don’t know if Cashman dealing for Jarrod Washburn would have changed the way Pettite pitched tonight.
“Mussina and Pettitte have been pitching WAY over there heads everyone knew that it was too good to be true and it wouldnt last. They both imploded there last 2 starts. Now they have Rasner and Ponson going in this series..So 2 more loses.”
And if they both pitch better than Pettitte did and we win the games, you’ll look like an idiot. Not getting a starter has -no- bearing on what happens in this game. And -no one- was available who’s better than Pettitte.
Pettitte pitched poorly. It happens sometimes. It doesn’t stamp the report card of our trade deadline moves.
GREAT BRITTON!
come on Andy!
captains corner shrewd remark.. yeah they need astarting pitching but not to replace Petttitte.. I love how stupid the comments are and how people think they Yanks are suppose to go 162 and zero..
be made when they lose to loser teams as SJ said like game 2 against the Orioles those games kill you…
there back of the rotation does stink but if they had the offense of last yr. it does not matter because they would bash to wins often..
andy needs to hold them here, now I ge the pen up.. 4 runs is doubtful but doable…
Whine when Ponson or rasner are giving up runs but please reserve those whines when andy or JOba or Mussina are pitching.
Earl Weaver said to one of his players,”I’f you’re up there with a man on first base, and you think you’re gonna hit into a double play,…. strike out.” Makes sense!!!!!
Oh dang it
classic.. double to the 9th guy and deflection…
speed something the yanks cannot spell kills….
I bleeping hate the Angels.
Well that’s probably it for us. We had a chance last inning to really chip away and didn’t, and BAM a tack on run. That’s what good teams do to you, they don’t stop stepping on your throat and take advantage of momentum swings when you fail to come through in the clutch.
Wow. It’s like the Twilight Zone out there. We’re losing the game of inches, very badly.
make that 7-2!!!!!!!!! YANKEES SUCK
classic.. double to the 9th guy and deflection…
speed something the yanks cannot spell kills….
take Pettitte out now…..
What a lousy debut. I almost feel sorry for Pudge. It can’t get much worse than this.
Chone Figgins is a Hall of Famer…only against the Yankees.
“I bleeping hate the Angels.”
I wish we could send the entire Angels roster to Japan.
Wow since I guess I’m considered a troll, I feel free to respond the Angel troll. SHUT UP. I’m on here to read intelligent thoughts on baseball. How many WS Rings does your team have? How many times have the Sox swept them in the post-season over the last few times?
You can have the best record in baseball and not win the WS. Once you get to the post-season, records don’t matter. A team from the NL West could end up WS champ.
“make that 7-2!!!!!!!!! YANKEES SUCK”
I am unimpressed by your trolling. You can do better.
Listen guys, If Jeter does in fact have a hand injury as being quietly whispered about, anyone who has played at any level understands how difficult it is to hit effectively on a continous basis….So rather than raggin on him, maybe you should back up a little….He’s still hitting in the .280′s…..
While Cash is fixing the pen, catcher, right hand hitter he forgets about the most important part of a team.
Starting pitching.
It’s going to cost us a title.
Not too much is going our way tonight.
The Angels got offensive players who do something that ours don’t other than A-Rod- hit good pitching. We can score 15 runs all we want against career minor leaguers, but unless you can beat the good pitchers, you’re going nowhere in the playoffs, and that’s what’s happened to us every year.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT…RED SOX FAN VS. ANGELS FAN…no really, I hate the Angels. They always kill us.
*last few years.
The Yankee dynasty is FAR greater than your team’s. If you say “Yanks suck,” at least have something to back it up.
That Pudge used to be good at least.
Just amazing…The Angels can send out on the field a bunch of single A players but as long as they have that ugly uniform on they will beat the Yanks. It is disgusting already…
you realize nobody’s even paying attention to you and that you look like a complete dunce?
Stuart,
It’s not that Andy Pettitte had a bad outing today. That stuff happens. But the Yankees are following up with Ponson tomorrow and Rasner on Sunday. With razor thin starting pitching, when the top of the rotation guys fail, it’s very easy for the team to fall into losing streaks. We’ve seen it a few times already this year.
“While Cash is fixing the pen, catcher, right hand hitter he forgets about the most important part of a team.
Starting pitching.
It’s going to cost us a title.”
Hell, if Wang was healthy, Hughes was Joba-like, and Kennedy was solid, I wouldn’t make that kind of statement. There are other teams in the American League you know.
Angels advance scouts must be great.
They scouted Andy well.
He is pitched pretty much the same way he pitched against Sox, low in the zone. The Sox could not lay off. But Halos are laying off those pitches and making Andy throw strikes.
Still four innings left this game is not over. However, the Yanks have to score at least 2 runs next inning with Abrue, ARod, Giambi, Cano and Nady coming up.
Britton’s Gameday pic makes him look like The Blob.
Why would a Red Sox fan be posting here?
Get a life.
“I am unimpressed by your trolling. You can do better.”
Big disagreement there. Trolls can do better. But I seriously doubt this particular one can.
Until there’s a definite “injury” disclosed about Jeter, I’ll rag on him for not being as good as he used to be. I retain that right when I pay hundreds of dollars to see this team play.
cool angels fan…how old are you?
I believe in Darrell Rasner!
Who’s with me?!
Paul are you competing for dumbest poster??
If you are there is a lot of competition.. again moron they were getting a pitcher to replace Andy??????????
What’s funny about the Angels troll is that it is probably a teenager. I don’t know about you guys, but when I was a teenager I was out on a July night partying and getting laid. God save these kids today chained to their internets and xbox 360s!
Wow, some Angel’s fans are inbred? I didn’t know that. Did you brag on Red Sox blogs when they humiliated your team every time in the postseason. Wow One WS championship. One game out of 10 and running at the mouth. What a tool.
NongEyeJon – The Angels have been killing everyone this year. I hate trolls in general (especially Sox trolls who just brag about 04 and 07 – makes other fans look stupid) so I always feel free to voice my thoughts on them.
meant to include
ANGELS FAN
July 31st, 2008 at 9:08 pm
make that 7-2!!!!!!!!! YANKEES SUCK
the thinking, confucious, is that running washburn out there once every five days gives the team a better chance of winning than running rasner out does.
your point is if rasner pitches well, or ponson does so, they’ve got a chance to win. well, obviously. the point is, washburn pitching well is more likely than ponson or rasner. which means the team is slightly less dependent on pettitte and mussina.
we can all agree that rasner and ponson can’t be counted on, right? we can all agree that washburn is a better option than either?
pettitte’s performance doesn’t equate directly to their needing a pitcher. it highlights the fact that now the team has to count on either rasner or ponson to pitch well in order to split the series. would you agree that washburn gives the team a better chance to win a game than rasner or ponson? would you then agree that if the back end of the rotation were a bit stronger, the front end of the rotation wouldn’t be in a near “must-win” position every time they took the mound?
clearly we’re not going to agree, but let’s not act like it’s insane to think the yankees needed an arm at the deadline. if you’re comfortable with rasner and ponson, then good for you. i, personally, don’t see those guys pulling much weight over the next two months.
the pudge deal was not a bad deal. it was a good deal. getting nady and marte was a VERY good deal. but neither addressed what the yankees needed most.
i don’t think cashman forgot about starting pitching, there were no options available he found sensible and i tend to think he is generally right about these things. i still think we pick up another pitcher at a sensible price before the season is over
I’ve been watching the game on Gameday due to not being near a Tele but I’m wondering, how much of Pettittes bad game today can be attributed to Pudge Rodriguez? OR did Andy just not have good stuff today?
“Just amazing…The Angels can send out on the field a bunch of single A players but as long as they have that ugly uniform on they will beat the Yanks. It is disgusting already…”
It’s called STARTING PITCHING. They always have it.
We never do.
Oh boy.
You can say it now.
Maybe that’s why Chris Britton is never here…Pete.
Wow. Chris Britton is amazing. Yeah, he totally belongs in the pen.
You know, there’s a reason they don’t call up Chris Britton that often.
you know people keep wondering why Britton is never up…Now you know.
Game over. Good job Yankees. Put the Angels hats on any player and they turn into Yankees killers. We’re defeated before we even start against them.
Chris Britton AGH!
Where is Jarrod Washburn?! Damn you Cashman!
10-2 baby yesss YANKEES SUCK YANKEES SUCK YANKEES SUCK HAAHHAHAHAHAHA PUDGE AND PONSON AHAHAH
Britton finally in a game and he gives up a 3-run HR. This is ugly.
I was thinking before they threw the pitch why throw inside to Vladdy????
I live in LA so I have to listen to there telecast, it is painful..
why throw inside ever to vladdy especially since he tries to hit everything out????I just don’t get it……
hey there’s chris britton folks, glad u all were loving him earlier..
“It’s called STARTING PITCHING. They always have it.
We never do.”
Not really. But if bashing Cashman gives meaning to your life, more power to you.”
I’M FEELIN’ THE PRIDE OF ARUBA!
ARUUUUUUUUUUBAAAAAAA!!!!!
JZ – I just got home and wanted to read Yankee thoughts on the Manny trade (which took up a good portion of this thread). I scrolled through and saw the Angel troll’s comments. I hate stupid trolls.
Don’t worry though, I’m leaving now.
Oy
please. this is not fate intervening. pettitte’s been throwing batting practice and the offense has been dormant.
let’s not act as if the angels were the only team to do this to the yankees this season. it’s hardly a shock.
stuart make another millionaires comment about why they are playing bad.
Brainless droob.
It is starting pitching. Cashman not getting anything of quality has cost us this season. Not to mention his dumb faith in two rookies who couldn’t handle the pressure of NY.
“captains corner shrewd remark.. yeah they need astarting pitching but not to replace Petttitte.. I love how stupid the comments are and how people think they Yanks are suppose to go 162 and zero..”
Ummm..where did I write that they needed a pitcher to REPLACE Pettitte??!! They needed a pitcher to ADD to that group obviously. Especially knowing that Pettitte and Mussina are not going to continue to be as good as they have been. It magnifies it even more when Mussina and Pettitte both lose there games because you don’t expect anything out of Pon and Ras.
That’s Britton’s monthly pitch allowance in the majors. Who comes up tomorrow for him?
So…anyone watching the Muy Thai version of “Contender” at 10pm?
you know, farnsworth coulda come in and gave up the homer…oh wait, they traded him for pudge, even they had Jose molina, the best CATCHER in Major league baseball
so confucious you are also in the dumbest poster contest also..
please do not drive a car or vote or handle firearm..
Britton’s stuff has just vanished. Even I’m losing faith in him at this point, and I believe in Wilson Betemit.
Another throw away game. Girardi leaves Petitte in too long. (should have not let him start the 6th) then brings in a guy who is a AAAA pitcher. I could see doing that if the score was 6-0 but the Yanks were showing life and it was still early. Girardi is a pessimist. With his new offense he should think he can always come back
10-2 baby yesss YANKEES SUCK YANKEES SUCK YANKEES SUCK HAAHHAHAHAHAHA PUDGE AND PONSON AHAHAH
There is no way your an Angels fan. So how is life w/o Manny Red Sox fan ?
“Not to mention his dumb faith in two rookies who couldn’t handle the pressure of NY.”
Paul for GM!
it was ponson u idiot.. it was britton.. if ur gonna talk smack know what ure talking about.. and u were prly an angel fan last week..
And it’s all on 3-run HR’s too. And most of it is the result of predictable pitch patterns in which they’re just sitting on locations.
Hunter- 2-0 fastball away where Pettitte had thrown every pitch in the game to righties.
Rivera- Hung a cutter, but again, Cano’s error sets it up.
Guerrerro- Tries to pound him inside with an 88 mph fastball when he knows it’s coming. Most hitters can hit 88 mph fastballs unless they’re very far in on their hands.
What a complete joke this team is. They have 1 good starter. 1. And he’s a 22 yr old rookie.
Angel Trolls are so mild. Must be the Cali thing.
And now we see another AAAA pitcher for the Yanks. Sweet. This Angels team reminds me of how the Yankees used to be assembled. All good hitter willing to give themselves up, play small ball, good defense, good starting pitching and great in the pen. OH those were the days. Now we have Sidney Ponson and Rasner as 2/5th’s of our starting rotation. OUCH! Hey but we just signed Eric Milton and Victor Zambrano!!!! UGH
Well glad we have 9 era Kennedy and Hughes coming up,and veterns Eric Milton and Zambrano and some guy named Alfredo.
Oh and can’t wait for Bruney,doesn’t he have like 9 walks in 14 innings.
Good thing we have them because watching this game I would have been worried.
“i don’t think cashman forgot about starting pitching, there were no options available he found sensible and i tend to think he is generally right about these things. i still think we pick up another pitcher at a sensible price before the season is over.”
probably true. and i know the mariners were asking an insane amount for washburn because the mariners, by and large, do not understand the game of baseball, on the field or off.
i’ve no doubt cashman looked for starting pitching. just as i’ve no doubt he actually believed phil hughes and ian kennedy would be major contributors this season. i think he leaned to heavily on the kids to start with and put himself behind the eight ball. it was an absolute fantasy to think that BOTH hughes and kennedy would be worthwhile major league pitchers this year. unfortunately, cashman bought into his own hype.
“Guerrerro- Tries to pound him inside with an 88 mph fastball when he knows it’s coming. Most hitters can hit 88 mph fastballs unless they’re very far in on their hands.”
Um, Matty, not to discount your logic, but doesn’t this sort of demonstrate WHY he wasn’t throwing inside to begin with? He has NO command batter to batter. He’s giving up tons of flyballs. That alone tells me things are not going well.
yeah, I guess that’s that. F*&%.
Well, as long as there are website hits, even from Angels trolls – its quantity not quality, lol.
We always thought it was their speed, their pitching, and whatever, but what it really is is their BRAIN. The Angels are a SMART baseball team. They play quality defense, always throw to the right base, never throw stupid pitch selection, and always know what’s coming at the plate based on pitchers’ previous patterns.
Us on the other hand, we have guys like Melky, Cano, Giambi, etc, who are solid players but lack the baseball smarts that would take them to the next level and possibly elite status.
RogerRepoz,
Part of the reason Girardi didn’t go to his bullpen earlier is because he knows he has Ponson and Rasner going in this series. He’s not going to burn his bullpen.
All Britton levers, including Pete:
This is the reason why they do not bring him into games. Thoug he looks big, he is a soft thrower and very hittable. I am sure as soon as Bruney is ready, he will take the shttle to scranton.
“Chris Britton AGH!
Where is Jarrod Washburn?! Damn you Cashman!”
hilarious!
maybe in stead of washburn, they can just bring igawa back up. or pavano.
or wait until hughes and kennedy regain the dominant form they displayed earlier in the season.
or get hawkins back and have him eat a few innings.
“but neither addressed what the yankees needed most.”
You think the Yankees needed a starter. You’re upset that they didn’t. So the first losing situation that comes up, you quickly jump on ‘AHA! See? We needed a starter!’ Even though the situation had -nothing- to do with that point. You weren’t arguing that the team would have been better off with another starter. You were arguing that the results of -this- game proved it. They didn’t. They don’t. Pettitte -does- -not- -care- who is pitching after him in the rotation. He goes out there as if every game is a must-win game.
You were eager to prove your point. This game didn’t help you do it in any way.
Ron, are you even watching the game? Chris Britton gave up the home run. Pettitte dominated when he pitched inside, but that’s because he throws a cutter. Britton threw him a straight, 88 mph fastball inner half and obviously most hitters will tattoo that.
Ouch . . . could see that coming. The difference is that unlike in the past, this year the Yankees haven’t had the offense to slug their way through these kind of games.
Really missing Chien Ming Wang right now . . .
COMEBACK
NongeyeJ
Ron:
I’d actually get us some starting pitching. You know starting pitching right? That pesky thing that actually wins you titles. You remember starting pitching right???
We should thank Cash for Ponson and Rasner and not getting Santana or Haren or Sabathia or Harden or even Washburn.
I thought we had a deep farm system???
I still maintain that the injury to Wang was far more devastating to the Yankees playoff hopes than Hughes and Kennedy stinking it up. Wang was a proven 2, at the very least. You don’t just suck up the loss of your best pitcher.
“Angel Trolls are so mild. Must be the Cali thing.”
Yeah, it stopped in between all those AHAHAH’S to smoke a doobie.
I’m surprised there wasn’t a “like” anywhere in its trolling.
I have to say…how the tone of this blog has changed since this afternoon when Manny was traded and we weren’t thinking about what the Angels would do to us….it is funny.
weaksauce
A question to anyone left. Lets say Pavano dominates the minor leagues. Do we give him a shot as 4th or 5th starter?
If you took all the AL players who have hit into the most double plays this year and put them on one team, their offensive production would still be better than ours.
Here’s my allstar American League DP team with DP’s listed:
1B-Justin Morneau 12
2B-Robinson Cano 12
SS-Derek Jeter 16
3B-Miguel Cabrera 11
DH-Vladimir Guerrero 19
C-Joe Mauer 15
OF-Alex Rios 15
OF-Magglio Ordonez 15
OF-Torii Hunter 12
Think we’d score some runs with that offensive or would we be too busy striking out to keep from hitting into a double play??? LOL
Ron…I agree with you on the Wang point. Our season really was lost when he went down. Unfortunately, even if he does come back by September, we can’t expect him to be that sharp.
You know just because people don’t agree with the majority viewpoint here and go against the grain doesn’t make them trolls.
“I thought we had a deep farm system???”
Yes, because we started drafting well and stopped giving up good prospects for bottom of the rotation veterans the likes of Washburn.
I know this won’t penetrate your thick skulls, but this was always about 2009. Cashman HOPED we could still win in the process of transitioning. But I won’t even begin to evaluate the success or failure of Cashman’s pitching master plan, let alone the Girardi era, until the end of next season. And even then, it’s just the start.
I am glad that Cano decided to go back to sleep. 1 of Cashmans worse moves was giving him that contract. Make him work for it!! That lazy bum…
Just got home. Interesting game. 3 three run homers huh. I thought the Angels were one of those small ball grinding teams. Hey whatever works right? Well at least we got Ponson goin for us tomorrow. Could be a fun weekend!
Im getting all my optimism and cheer out of my system now. Soon I will make myself some drinks and I will come back a scathing lunatic all salty and bitter.
Talk to ya Later!
“You know, there’s a reason they don’t call up Chris Britton that often.”
or when they do, he doesnt stay long.
can anyone say colter bean?
we need edwar to pitch tonight before he has to be out for the suspension
“You know just because people don’t agree with the majority viewpoint here and go against the grain doesn’t make them trolls.”
No, they are trolls because they are illogical, overly negative, and say stupid things.
The Yankees have 9 more games against this team. Unless they get their act together and stop playing scared, the Angels, the team that’s a lock for playoff contention with nothing left to play for, could be the team that knocks us out of the playoffs this year.
yes…let’s just give up the entire season right now….man, what a bunch of whiners….good night, you fair weather fans…I can’t stand this crapola you insist on dishing out…
Bill
Yes if Pavano is tearing it up in AAA and is ready, we swallow our pride and bring him up. Then we send down Britton AGAIN!!
This teams just so fricken inconsistent, you know? they can score 12 runs one day and then 1 or 2 the next. how bout just scoring 8 every day.
forget, for a moment, that the pitching sucked today.
this guy has an ERA over 4. and all we can do is score 2? they need to get their act together, and fast
meanwhile, cano can’t get a ball to save his life
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I am glad that Cano decided to go back to sleep. 1 of Cashmans worse moves was giving him that contract. Make him work for it!! That lazy bum…”
I have to give you credit. You sure are persistent in your short-sightedness.
This was by FAR the best matchup we had in this series (Pettite Vs. Garland), and we got crushed. Santana Vs. Ponson? Rasner Vs. Lackey? Um, I think even a dumbass like Angels Fan may be able to predict the outcome of this series. Here’s to hoping I’m wrong though.
NongEyeJon ofcourse we were, how can we not think of what the best team in baseball would do to us, they walked into Fenway and slapped them around Ric Flair style. You always have to think of the Angels w/ that said we aren’t better than the Angels.
I understand the logic of saying that its about ’09…but who is really coming to help us in this “09″?
Oh and good to have Britton back. Welcome back Britty!
So..
Tomorrow Ponson vs. Santana
Might have to hit the liquor store before the game. Gonna need lots of liquid happiness.
Definitely Ric Flair style…..WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Matt
Now why would the Angels want to knock us out of the playoffs? Wouldn’t they want to face their arch rival PATSIES in the 1st round as a warm up to going ALL THE WAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!
I would call up Pavano. It is his walk year, he might have something to prove. If Ponson bombs again, why not? Can’t be worst. And if he sucks, well so does Ponson.
“You were eager to prove your point. This game didn’t help you do it in any way.”
right on. i’ll save it for when rasner and ponson get shelled.
or hughes.
or kennedy.
and, yeah, pettitte pitches every game like it’s a must-win. and NOBODY is harder on andy pettitte than andy pettitte! he’s a bulldog! this game, he will tell you, was “pathetic.” and “unacceptable.” or maybe he’ll even get really angry and say he was “garbage.”
he picked a bad day to —- the bed. but the guy’s been great all year, as has mussina. so even if moose gets shelled, he gets a pass, too. they carried this team.
anyway, you’re doing a poor job of trying to make my point for me, although the point you’re making is a valid one. pettitte’s performance today doesn’t equate directly to their needing another starting pitcher. if that’s how you interpreted my statement, i obviously wasn’t clear enough. no sense in going back and forth about it anymore.
You know, I might be a tad frightened if Brian Cashman was pessimistic enough to anticipate major injuries to (inhales deeply)…Jorge Posada, Chien-Ming Wang, Ian Kennedy, Phillip Hughes, Alex Rodriguez, Hideki Matsui, Johnny Damon, Wilson Betemit, and Brian Bruney.
Hell, if I’d known all of those would be happening, I’d be stunned that the Yankees are 11 games over.
O’Neil said it well yet again. “Every hitter goes up there with a plan, and executes that plan.” (about the Angels)
How many times does it look like our hitters go up there with absolutely no clue what to look for? They swing at everything, chase pitches out of the zone, and don’t have any sense of how to get runners in from 3rd with less than 2 outs, move runners up, or other situations.
Like I said, they’re a SMART team, that knows what to do up there and isn’t wildly swinging away.
noneeyejong,
I understand that, but you cannot assume anything. You were still in this game, it was early. With those two going next this might be the best chance you have. They are in no position to give away games. They need to keep battling.
Hey look…Cano got to a ball
if pavano pitches well, why not bring him up? at this point, they’ve got to give anything a try to win games, right? the odds he both pitches well and stays healthy aren’t exactly good, though.
Yankee Trader, good point about the GIDP.
after grousing about them myself i checked the stats. the AL teams that lead in GDPs are mostly good offenses:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....;type=exp2
so DPs must not be as bad as i’d thought. when watching, they do kill one’s morale when they happen.
The Kate Smith song needs to go.
Carl Pavano doesn’t deserve to pitch in Trenton after the reward he’s given the Yankees for that contract. Being injury-prone is one thing, but being reckless, unmotivated, and a miserable human being is another entirely.
Matt
The Yankee hitter haven’t been a patient team with a plan since we lost the WS to Arizona. They swing for the fences!
How many times in this game have you wished Molina was behind the plate? Pudge must have jet lag. Molina knows Petitte better, Molina would have thrown out Texiera in that big inning before any damage was done. I hope we didn’t buy a broken down machine in a shiny box…
If I see one more damn Jeter Edge commercial….
Just in to see what’s going on with you guys and your reaction to Pudge/Angels series.
How many of you are already having panic attacks about him and this series?
I’d bring up Pavano before he’s ready so he gets hurt again…man, Im spiteful
X-Factor my ass indeed.
NongEyeJon……Your response about Jeter’s injury speaks volumns about you…..I wonder if I bought a six pack at the bar that sponsors your Sunday Beer League Softball team, that allows me to boo you right…..
we need to move Nady up in the lineup
“if that’s how you interpreted my statement, i obviously wasn’t clear enough.”
I don’t know how else I could have interpreted ‘anybody need any more evidence that what the yankees needed most was a pitcher?’ If it isn’t what you meant, then yeah, definitely poor wording on your part.
“right on. i’ll save it for when rasner and ponson get shelled.
or hughes.
or kennedy.”
That would be a lot more sensible. Though you’re still going to have to wait a couple of months to get that whole picture. Even Ponson getting bombed tomorrow wouldn’t prove your point right on the spot, though it would make it look better.
Nady sure knows how to hit when it doesn’t count.
The people who are booing Irod are front running morons. I’m just dumbfounded that someone can boo a catcher of all players on his first day with pitchers he’s never seen before. Have you watched baseball before? Go cry in detroit with Farnsworth. You don’t deserve to even watch this team.
The really sad thing is that we’re killing Garland. If Pettitte could have even kept it at 6 runs, we’d have a chance to win.
David Cone, I agree. Awesome song, but AT LEAST get a different vesion going.
I tell you another thing, if there was a AAAA level in baseball, the Yanks minor league AAAA team would kick ASS!!!!
I think Chris Britton ate poor Edwar Ramirez before the game.
Well Nady likes Death Valley. That’s a good sign. Most rightys shudder at the thought of playing here.
The saddest thing about this game is if they got any sort of decent pitching performance they would have won. Meaning if they had Joba pitching. I guess at this point they only have one consistently very good pitcher, which is a little troubling.
Pat M., I don’t drink beer…but thanks.
damn Pudge murdered that ball
George
Actually my point was in the 9:25 post that an allster team of players that hit into the most double plays would beat our lineup almost every night, and that a strike out is better than a hitting into a double play.
time to get 7 more runs
I’ve been slightly out of commission with a pinched nerve which is keeping me away from typing. I see I’ve missed absolutely nothing.
Let me guess….someone probably blamed Pudge already, people are wondering why oh why our new acquisitions haven’t traveled into the future and brought the World Series trophy back with them and, somehow, this is either Melky or Rasner’s fault. or both.
what i think: these Angels are pretty good. we’ve got our work cut out for us this weekend.
enjoy!
p.s. why the hell did we trade away the attorney general anyway?
It wasn’t Pettitte that allowed the game to be blown open, he had kept them at 7. It was the 3-run HR to Guerrerro that killed us. Girardi experimented in the biggest spot in the game where we could have kept ourselves in it and it cost us big time.
“Let me guess….someone probably blamed Pudge already, people are wondering why oh why our new acquisitions haven’t traveled into the future and brought the World Series trophy back with them and, somehow, this is either Melky or Rasner’s fault. or both.”
Pretty damn close.
You know, every hit Nady has had as a Yankee has scored a run.
I think that’s kind of cool.
Brandon
Feeling better about X?
Darren Oliver vs NYY
Career vs. NYY 21 12 7 3 1 0 0 79.1 85 44 40 10 38 48 4.54 1.55 .275
“It wasn’t Pettitte that allowed the game to be blown open, he had kept them at 7. It was the 3-run HR to Guerrerro that killed us. Girardi experimented in the biggest spot in the game where we could have kept ourselves in it and it cost us big time.”
I mean, he could have brought in Giese. That might have worked.
You don’t bring in good relievers trailing by five runs unless you are Torre and the reliever in question is named Scott Proctor.
Jorge,
You’re right about some Pudge bashing…apparently some thought he’d actually call the game in his first game as a Yankee catcher, with Andy Pettite pitching, which means he’s at fault. I don’t blame him for a thing. Pettite was awful….and how is Darren Oliver still in the league…and good?
knocking Pudge for Pettite and Britton tonight is just completely ridiculous. Pettite was awful. In other game swhen he was awful where was the blame for the catcher??? Cue crickets. And some have said Pettite is awful this year. That is also BS. He has had several great games. Just had a bad game against a hot team, not Pudge’s fault.
bunt the ball Melky you stink from the right side
never mind..
This is why Nady needs to bat up with Cano and A-Rod. Giambi has done absolutely nothing at the plate and he’s sucking up huge at bats in the 5 hole with runners on base behind A-Rod and ususally not getting the job done.
Matt, you don’t blow your go to guys in the pen down 7-2 with Rasner and Ponson pitching 2 of the next 3. And I would have to say Pettite at least deserves a little of the blame giving up 2, 3 run HR’s. Get a clue.
Brandon
Feeling better about X?
getting there not yet
You know it’s not your night when THAT happens.
HE WAS SAFE WTF WAS HE LOOKING AT !
Pudge was clearly safe at the plate. Talk about umpires wanting to end the game. We get robbed again by horrible umpiring, what a joke.
HE WAS SAFE!
Wow brutal call.
“That would be a lot more sensible. Though you’re still going to have to wait a couple of months to get that whole picture. Even Ponson getting bombed tomorrow wouldn’t prove your point right on the spot, though it would make it look better.”
well, hopefully they’ll be playing come october and the back of the rotation won’t be as much an issue.
either way, this game’s a drag. but andy will certainly let himself know about it afterwards! give himself a real talking-to! he might even make himself cry!
Man… they can not get instant replay fast enough!!!
I HATE THESE F-ING UMPIRES. BOOOOOOOOOOO!
“p.s. why the hell did we trade away the attorney general anyway?”
Because the Attorney General belongs in Washington DC.
what a horrible call
That was a terrible call. Not even close!
Umpire should be given errors, just like players.
What a garbage call! Not even close. Good baserunning from Pudge though. See I am finding positives.
Why is there apparently no umpire recourse…like stoning or something for missed calls?
Horrible call by the umpire. He’ll probably say he was wrong after the game when he sees the replay, but that won’t help.
Replay my ***. How about Eye exams!!
How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going?????.
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Seriously, sometimes the smart alec is over the top. Let’s lead the blog into bashing Pudge after he has been a New York Yankee less than 24 hours….I am so glad that players are very likely to have WAY better things to do than read mean spirited comments like that. IMHO, not cool.
The umpire single handedly destroyed our rally with a horrible call. The game is not over yet even down 7, what happens if we score that and then get a bunch of base hits and a home run? That call is beyond awful.
Umpires should be fined for missing calls that obvious. Usually they’re out of position, but come on, he was RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE. IN POSITION. What a pathetic call.
okay I think all of baseball needs instant replay immediately
that call was so bad that ump should go into retirement right after this game
WTH was that?!?!
They need glasses
That’s about as bad a call as an umpire could make. He was clearly safe live, it wasn’t a bang-bang play, there’s no excuse for it. Just terrible, and killed any shot of a rally.
How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going?????.
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Seriously, sometimes the smart alec is over the top. Let’s lead the blog into bashing Pudge after he has been a New York Yankee less than 24 hours….I am so glad that players are very likely to have WAY better things to do than read mean spirited comments like that. IMHO, not cool.
Kind of thought the same..
nice little inning the offense put together there. very impressive.
Retirement…that is probably self-imposed…I’m calling for a FIRING…or a firing squad…or any form of inhumane torture.
p.s. why the hell did we trade away the attorney general anyway
The kid we traded him for is a promising arm that can touch 95 mph projects to be a middle reliever.
Nady slugging over .700 as a Yank.
Hey Pudge, stop acting like a September call-up trying to impress your coach and start playing fundamental baseball. Your down by 7 runs. Why are you taking a chance in that situation?
Wow. Wow. Wow. Just….. wow.
I can’t believe that call. Umpire had the play RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM, Pudge TAGGED THE PLATE, WELL before he was tagged by the catcher, and called out??!!?!?!?!?!!!!!
I am 100%, completely, totally, 100% (did I say that?) in favor of instant replay in baseball.
That umpire should be suspended for a week.
What a horrendous, idiotic, moronic, blatantly WRONG call!
Captain Double Play strikes again
Oh well, at least Jeter can’t hit into a double play.
This ump shud b replaced on the spot… its not even funny… if i find this umps name on the playoffs list this year.. that will b a disgrace… he shud b demoted to the minors
Here’s a thought that hasn’t been brought up.
Since our home record isn’t all that great, and the quality of minor league position players ready to play isn’t quite ready, heres a thought. Now think this one out!!
Before it’s too late in the construction of the new ballpark, push the fences back and make it a pitcher’s park!!
You ask why??
It gives our young pitching staff a better chance at succeeding.
Better yet it forces us to rely on a better outfield defensive team.
Best of all it makes us go and get players who make contact, and don’t go up there swinging for the fences!!
You just want the umps to get the call right. Go into the dugout and look at it for 2 seconds and make the correct call. How fricken hard is that?!?!
Whoever said sweep earlier is correct but it looks like an Angels sweep!
it is absolutely on the umps if the yankees lose this game.
that call had the yankees in a 6-0 hole after three innings.
furthermore, it put the yankees in a 10-2 hole.
hell, that call may even be responsible for the home run rivera gave up tuesday.
if it wasn’t for that call…
man. now we’re all left to ponder what might have been.
Oh, I guess he can. I thought there were 2 outs.
that is what I hate about umps today.. what a joke he was safe by a foot…
not inches but by a foot….. and the ump moron after the game will do there BS apology crap….
JOKE>>>>>
“Hey Pudge, stop acting like a September call-up trying to impress your coach and start playing fundamental baseball. Your down by 7 runs. Why are you taking a chance in that situation?”
Um…. he was safe. By a mile.
At this point, you do whatever you can to get the crowd into the game.
Honestly…WHAT IS IT ABOUT CHONE FIGGINS against the Yankees? I don’t get it.
it is a long season, on nights like tonight, you resign yourself, as a TRUE FAN, that the ballgame is not to be had. A line shot up the middle, could have taken the pitcher OUT and kept the inning alive, but instead that garbage ? and that GARBAGE call ? Tomorrow is another day…and even while we wait for Pontoon and RAZZ to find their way ANYWHERE else, ….this Yankees batting order is going to score some BIG RUNS….
Good night ALL….C YA !
Wow that ump blew the call in a big way. They might need to expand instant replay include disputed safe or out calls at home plate. I wonder if they ever get called to account by their superiors when they blow a call.
“Hey Pudge, stop acting like a September call-up trying to impress your coach and start playing fundamental baseball. Your down by 7 runs. Why are you taking a chance in that situation?”
Hey Don, he was about as safe as he could be without doing a fracking rain dance on home plate.
Looks like Britton will get the innings tonight and save the rest of the bullpen
Singleton is exactly right in saying how blown calls like that, made to speed up the game, entirely change the flow of the game, and the series.
What if the Yankees put together a few more hits and all of a sudden the tying run is on deck, or in the hole? The Angels have to go to other pitchers, and then what happens if the same guy has to be called on tomorrow night in a 1 run game and gives up a hit since he was used the night before?
10-4, runner on 1st, 1 out, Jeter, Abreu, A-Rod coming up. It’s not unreasonable to think they could have made this a lot closer if not for that BS call and at least forced the Angels to go to better relievers.
Pudge is cool though. Doesn’t make a big scene. Just politely goes out and tells the ump he screwed him over. I kind of like Pudge.
That was a ‘I hope Girardi gets ejected’ bad call.
One of the worst calls I’ve ever seen? Yes. Does that change to outcome of this game whatsoever? NO. Everything we had doing just last week (good pitching, timely hitting, good defense) we now are in what George and Kramer would call, bizzaro world. The exact OPPOSITE.
Hey Girardi, you see how Scoscia is managing? This is what we thought we were going to get when we ditched Torre. If we wanted a manager who was going to sit on his ass waiting for a 3 run hr we would have stuck with Station to Station Joe.
They gave up!
Game way over. That was just downright stupid.
Pull them both for Christian and Betemit.
How about Abreu there…
Damn this site gets a lot of comments. Andy was terrible tonight!
kasey, are you listening to the Yankee broadcast? Or to you put on YES and mute it so you can hear your own self-commentary?
Ken Singelton was saying how one bad call like that can effect an entire series. That one run can cause them to bring in a different pitcher, extend the rally, make them use their bullpen more, make a pitcher unavailable for a game later on in the series, etc.
This is a bad bad bad game
I’m not a huge fan of team meetings.
But Christ, this is just Bad News Bears right here.
Another horrible defensive play by the lazy Yankees defense. Abreu has to catch that ball, and Cano has missed FOUR balls already today, which on Cano’s end, have cost us 3 runs and possibly more due to Pettitte’s pitch count being raised because of them.
Can they just end the game now
I will be happy when Abreu’s gone. D00d sucks.
Don, are you out of your mind?
these yankees are a frustrating team to root for..sometimes they play so well, but then you have nights like tonight…
Don, you are indeed a prat. Well done.
I hate to say it, but Jeter looks like he’s in the midst of a Roberto Alomar-like decline.
If I were Joe, I would immediately send Justin Christian out to RF and send Abreu to the showers.
Yes, he certainly sucked terribly last night.
You know what I’d start Justin Christian in CF tomorrow to make a point.
Vlad is pissed because he doesn’t have the worst hair in town anymore.
There would have been no rally, Jeter would have grounded into a DP. And this pitching is brutal. And the prospects don’t look better. I actually want to see Pavano. God help me.
44 RA over 5 games????
Holy crap!
44 runs over the last 5 games…yikes
Hey Detroit lost, Texas losing by 6 and Minnesota down by a run. Looks like we can keep losing and not lose any ground. What a reassuring thought!!!
Going to be a bad weekend.
“You know what I’d start Justin Christian in CF tomorrow to make a point.”
To make a point of what? That you want to give yourself no chance of winning game 2? Thank god you’re not the manager.
Need to have a team meeting tomorrow. Can’t be blown out like this, especially considering the Orioles already embarrassed us this week.
How exactly was that Abreu’s fault?
“I hate to say it, but Jeter looks like he’s in the midst of a Roberto Alomar-like decline.”
Yeah it’s really sad to watch too.
See, look at how defense can cost you.
Cano’s missed ball in the 3rd- 3 runs score with 2 outs afterwards. The error combined with one bad pitch turned it from a 3-0 deficit which we could have come back from to a 6-0 one.
Abreu’s missed ball now cost us 2 runs right after we came back and chipped away a bit. It’s not unreasonable to think that with the Angels pitching their mop up guys and throwing strikes down so many runs that they could have made this a closer game with the heart of the lineup coming up one more time.
The Angels play solid defense, and we don’t. Our bad defense has cost us 5 runs, plus extras due to our pitchers tiring early throwing extra pitches and having to go to scrub relievers.
It matters.
12 runs given up in a Pettitte start, what the hell is gonna happen with Ponson out there tomorrow night?
Gonna be one long weekend people.
PBL…I’ve seen way too many of these nights this year. I dont know if its the players, the manager, or what…but sometimes they just look lost out there.
The thing that is going to annoy the piss out of me is that in the post-game conference, the message from Girardi and Jeter will be the same…”They just beat us. Sometimes the other team just scores more runs. Sometimes the other team is just better that night…”.
I want to know why there have been at least 3 of these types of blowouts this week…pitching yes…but the entire team is at fault for crap like this, from the manager, down.
Also those blaming Pudge, how about the stellar pitching in the 3 losses in a row???????????
Roberto Alomar decline..Ouch….No love tonight for DJ….
Bobby being Bobby?
To make a point of what? That you want to give yourself no chance of winning game 2? Thank god you’re not the manager.
I honestly don’t think Cabrera would be missed, especially when comparing him to Christian. Christian is faster than Cabrera and could get to as many balls, if not more. Also, he couldn’t possibly hit worse than Cabrera. That’s not possible!
“44 runs over the last 5 games…yikes”
Meet the O’s and the Angels. Teams that love to beat on us.
I actually long for games against Jason Bay’s Red Sox right now.
They will split this series. Mussina will win his game, and one of Rasner or Ponson will hold the fort enough for the bats to win it.
Book it.
Welcome back Chris Britton…Now tommorrow is the time to book a shuttle to AAA. See ya soon.
Why is Abreu still playing? Sit his butt on the bench, lazy bum.
the triple was because of abreu’s fear of everything. walls and other outfielders…
“Ken Singelton was saying how one bad call like that can effect an entire series. That one run can cause them to bring in a different pitcher, extend the rally, make them use their bullpen more, make a pitcher unavailable for a game later on in the series, etc.”
well if kenny singleton says it, it’s GOTTA be true!
Guys…remember to pray before you go to bed, that the Rays and (Red) Sox suck this weekend too. I don’t think we can afford to be down by five games, unless tampa falls very, very fast.
To watch how ineffective Jeter has been this season, pretty much in the field and at the plate, really highlights just how much he meant to the Yankees during his career at the Stadium. Jeter would always be the one who stepped up and won the game with the swing of a bat. Captain Clutch. You could always count on him to come up big. It’s pretty painful to watch this happening. I wanted to believe that it was all about an injury, but this has lingered and doesn’t show signs of improving. He’s average to dreadful.
NongEyeJonButchWynegar
Seems like there is one Yankee killer on EVERY team in the AL.
Boston has Ortiz had Manny. Killed us.
Toronto- Rios.
Tampa- Gomes,Crawford.
Baltimore- Millar, Markakis.
Minnesota- Nobody really.
Chicago WS- Dye.
Cleveland- Sizemore.
Detroit- Mags.
Kansas City- John Buck for some reason.
Rangers- Michael Young.
Seattle-Ichiro, Ibanez.
Angels- EVERYONE IN THERE GODAMN LINEUP
Oakland- Emil Brown/Mark Ellis.
“You know what I’d start Justin Christian in CF tomorrow to make a point.”
What’s your point, “triples are bad?”
“44 RA over 5 games???? Holy crap!”
It happens. It’s the kind of thing no one ever figures out. Like Heidi says, “one meenute yoor ein, the next yoor aut!”
We are going to need a SS next year. Jeter looks done.
To make a point of what? That you want to give yourself no chance of winning game 2? Thank god you’re not the manager.
So Melky can stop sleeping in the OF.
i know it amazes how quickly you go from a week ago when we’re winning our 8th in a row and picking up marte and nady to this
Ken Singleton has a lot better idea of what he’s talking about than you, kasey, especially considering he’s played in the major leagues before and has broadcasted for many, many years.
Oh yeah, A-Rod only cares about the money. He’s heartless. He doesn’t care.
God people are morons.
“I honestly don’t think Cabrera would be missed, especially when comparing him to Christian. Christian is faster than Cabrera and could get to as many balls, if not more. Also, he couldn’t possibly hit worse than Cabrera. That’s not possible!”
Then you honestly aren’t thinking. Melky has a better arm, and we’ve all seen Christian hit, it’s not pretty. And Melky has had some good at bats tonight and might be coming around.
Ron…youre a better person than I…I was just thinking that the Yanks are only going to win 1 of 4…if that.
“To make a point of what? That you want to give yourself no chance of winning game 2? Thank god you’re not the manager.”
He’s already illustrated infinite times on here that he’s a complete idiot, DFox, I wouldn’t waste the typing.
How do you guys even have the will to complain left anymore?
Just more of the same from this team.
Getting to the point you just expect and accept it.
“Meet the O’s and the Angels. Teams that love to beat on us.
I actually long for games against Jason Bay’s Red Sox right now.”
the outcome of this game has no bearing whatsoever on how the yankees will perform in other series against other teams, man. your statement is idiotic.
right? get it?
(really, i’m just kidding around. you made a good point, i couldn’t pass up the opportunity.)
“Why is Abreu still playing? Sit his butt on the bench, lazy bum.”
Girardi doesn’t have the marbles.
Besides Abreu would probably make him cry.
Brendan Harris murdered us as a Devil Ray.
I think that one was on abreu more than melky..melky has his faults, but effort and defense on that list
No, I will not share my secret falafel recipe.
“We are going to need a SS next year. Jeter looks done.”
this forum needs a therapist.
you all may not know this, but i am actually am one in the real world.
At least someone’s bringing sexy back
I’m just so sick of the Yankees not matching the Angel’s intensity for the past 6 years. They have the talent to hang with these guys but they insist on playing them the same way they play everyone else and that’s just not the way you beat Scoscia – you have to beat him at his own game. He’s constantly putting pressure on our pitching from pitch one. That puts our pitchers in a stress position then in turn puts our batters in a stress position because they are down multiple runs so early.
Ya that would make such a good pt. starting Justin im sure it will get the message across. RU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!! All you guys wanna do is blame Melky and Cano for every Yankee loss. my god u r unreal. Didnt your sources tell you thats it not always their fault
PBL..that is what amazes me about this team, although at this point, it shouldn’t. They can go from world-beaters to absolute hacks just like that.
At the beginning of the Orioles series, Paul O’Neill asked the question “Is the Yankees team that just one 8 of 9 the real Yankees or is it the pre-ASG Yankees?”
I think we have our answer.
*aren’t on that list
“Ken Singleton has a lot better idea of what he’s talking about than you, kasey, especially considering he’s played in the major leagues before and has broadcasted for many, many years.”
True, but Joe Morgan is a Hall of Fame second baseman, and knows less about baseball than my 11-month old puppy.
what happen to cano this guy is…
Melky sleeping in CF look to see where he position MR.Baseball and that prolly was Abreus ball. Be serious for once.
I’m tired of the Yankees winning blowouts and then not being able to score in any other games. I wish they would just be like the Angels and win more close games and have an awful run differential. It seems as though every time they win a blowout, they can’t score at all in the games following
I like Pettitte, but I don’t think I want to see him back next year.
Buzz…I think the question of what happened to Cano should have been asked during his hot-streak…this year, this is apparently the real Cano.
You know Vlad leads the leagues in double plays but he still hitting for he’s team.Tooo bad Jeter can’t do that.
is chris britton gonna get sent down this guy is BP hes looks like ponson and pitches like ponson…
At the beginning of the Orioles series, Paul O’Neill asked the question “Is the Yankees team that just one 8 of 9 the real Yankees or is it the pre-ASG Yankees?â€
4 months tells you more than 8 days.
This team is not playoff material.
I don’t think they even care. After pudge got robbed on the terrible call, he was hot in the dugout, but everybody was smiling and laughing like, hey, we already lost, it doesn’t even matter.
“Chicago WS- Dye.”
No no no. He is not the King Yankee-killer in that town. Not anymore. I wish he was.
This team since the trades I think are 2 – 6 or 2 – 7
I’d be worried if this were to happen last week but a combo of the Angels whooping our a** and Pudge here, if I know one thing about Pudge his energy spreads into a lineup and hopefully so does his attitude.
“Then you honestly aren’t thinking. Melky has a better arm, and we’ve all seen Christian hit, it’s not pretty. And Melky has had some good at bats tonight and might be coming around.”
Don’t bother, DFox, he’s illustrated infinite times on here that he’s a complete idiot, I wouldn’t waste the typing.
Chris Britton…taking one for the team.
10 games with the Angels. Hopefully go 3 and 7.
yeah the posters now are pretty much at functionally illiterate level…
yeah sit melky tommorrow after today. the guy has sucked all yr. but had a good game tonight but sit him because of Abreu..
yeah that is the type of posts I expect from here..
jeez you guys really are you that stupid or are you kidding???
This is disgusting.
The locker room better be closed after this one.
“True, but Joe Morgan is a Hall of Fame second baseman, and knows less about baseball than my 11-month old puppy.”
bingo. ever heard dave valle or mike blowers talk baseball? steve phillips was a GM, when was the last time that guy said ANYTHING intelligent on the subject of baseball?
singleton works for the YANKEES network. of course he thinks that play has the potential to change the outcome of the entire series. it was an awful call, no doubt, but that’s not what did the yankees in. they played awfully tonight, top to bottom.
Chris Britton is gone after this game..sucks for him, but he…sucks
They have to send Britton back down.
The clubhouse cook can’t make enough food to feed him and Ponson.
My God dude, eat a salad once in awhile.
YANKEES IN TROUBLE. CASHMAN DIDNT ADDRESS THE ROTATION. PLEASE RUSH BACK PHIL HUGHES!
Look at Melkys age, and compare him to other players at his age and after just as many games as he has played in his career and you will see they are just as comparable. Not everyone comes on the seen at 21,22,23 yrs old and blows up. It takes time, and he had alot of pressure on him i bet with his name being throwing around in trade rumors for the past month. You guys want every1 in the lineup to hit over .300 and have 20 hrs and never make an error or blunder, theres alot of teams that would love to have a 23 yr old CF with already 3 yrs experience and be a solid defensive player.
Don’t blame Britton, he ate innings. THey’ll need them for Ponson and rasner. Pettite was the fault. He sucked it up tonight.
don’t worry pettitte won’t be back next year. he can join his friend roger in JAIL.
rotation next year: wang, chamberlain, sabathia, hughes, sheets.
Its getting ugly in here. Come on everybody. Hey this game is actually pretty close. You know if you can take away those THREE 3 run homers.
PASTADIVING Jeter. You know somebody said we need a new SS and I read Jeter is done. My god. He’s human you know. This could just be a bad year for him. I haven’t seen him really drive the ball much since he got smacked on the hand way back when. I think he’s been hurt. Still if the next two years are like this one, what do they they do? Its almost surreal to think that they don’t sign him. I think he’ll come back strong though.
9 runs before 3 outs? It’s been done before, right?
So much frustration now with this team as a longtime fan.
Cano has played like an absolute dog this year. Abreu is surely talented, but it’s hard to respect a guy who doesn’t always hustle and won’t give up his body for the team.
The approaches at the plate are just horrible. They may score 12 runs one game, but you surely know the next game they will be lucky to score one run. Feast or famine, and that’s been the story the whole year.
I’m the world’s biggest Jeter fan, but he seems headed for a steep and sudden decline. He just can’t elevate the ball at all right now.
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA YANKEES SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 10-3 ANGELS 08 CHAMPS WIN THEY STINK!!!
that’s his first hit that doesn’t result in a run.
I guess Nady is used to hitting well on crappy, go nowhere teams.
yeah teams REALLY want melky….. for the likes of washburn. HHAHAHAHA WOW!
Inside Nady’s head: I thought I was traded? But this sure looks like the Pirate pitching staff. I must be back in Pittsburgh and the trade was a dream.
It just amazes me how some fans can be so objective and smart overall, but when it comes to a player they don’t like – all objectivity flies out the window. Bizarre.
UPDATE, 8:10 p.m.: How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going? The Yankees are down 6-0, he’s made five trips to the mound to talk to Pettitte and he just stuck out on four pitches in his first at-bat. Other than that, it has been great.
Clearly tonight’s loss is all on Pudge, the pitching and horrendous defense had nothing to do with it. I guess Pete’s disdain for Krazy Kyle has now been transferred to the man he was traded for.
ponson will get the win tommrow i predict 6 good innings y santana comes out of game early from walking everybuddy ill sign up for 2 out 2 vs the angels in a 4 game series anyday
Confucius,
I take it your talking about Griffey Jr.? He sure did kill us, but I’ll tell you what, EDGAR MARTINEZ was an even bigger Yankee killer on that Seattle team that Junior was. Great hitter and from what I hear a pretty good guy, but I still hate him.
“9 runs before 3 outs? It’s been done before, right?”
I think Josh Hamilton did it.
Yankees should keep Pudge as are catcher, Jorge is not going to be able to catch next year, Jorge maybe can be a DH or play 1B and catch once and awhile. Maybe the Yanks part with Matsui and Abreu go with Damon,Melky,Nady and sign Tex and have Pudge catch Jorge DH then sign CC
hey remember that team era that looked so great during the first 8 games after the all star break? looks like the law of averages is back to work
While it sucks the Yanks are virtually conceding tomorrows game by pitching Ponson, this team is going to hit a ton over the next two months.
Smile Yankee fans, you’re 1 game out of the wild card spot.
At the very least it really may be time to take Jeter out of the 2 hole.
lol the Angels fan must be on California time and is behind in the game. Lets not tell him about the two extra runs his team has, shall we? He’ll become *extra* obnoxious then.
Hey! A grand slam and…oh, we’d still be down by 5 runs…
Man it’s 12-3 why would Soscia use Arrendando in this type of a game.
“I take it your talking about Griffey Jr.? He sure did kill us, but I’ll tell you what, EDGAR MARTINEZ was an even bigger Yankee killer on that Seattle team that Junior was.”
Definitely. Buhner was also a Yankee-killer. As was Randy, obviously. They were our Angels of the mid 90′s.
“UPDATE, 8:05 p.m.: Hmm, it would seem Pudge and Pettitte have some kinks to iron out. …UPDATE, 8:10 p.m.: How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going? The Yankees are down 6-0, he’s made five trips to the mound to talk to Pettitte and he just stuck out on four pitches in his first at-bat. Other than that, it has been great.”
it is laughable to ask how the Pudge Rodriguez Era is going an hour into his first game as a Yankee. Also, only Red Sox fans excessively blame/credit the catcher for a pitcher’s performance. Pudge didn’t give up any HR’s and I’m sure Andy will be the first one in the postgame to put HIS bad outing entirely on himself.
ponson will get the win tommrow i predict 6 good innings y santana comes out of game early from walking everybuddy ill sign up for 2 out 2 vs the angels in a 4 game series anyday also ill love to spilt the 10 games by taking 5 out of 10
we need to atleast score a run here otherwise they don’t get a message.
UPDATE, 8:10 p.m.: How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going? The Yankees are down 6-0, he’s made five trips to the mound to talk to Pettitte and he just stuck out on four pitches in his first at-bat. Other than that, it has been great.
Huh? Did you really just post that, Peter? Or did someone hack your blog?
” “9 runs before 3 outs? It’s been done before, right?â€
I think Josh Hamilton did it. ”
I like that one
Ya Sea also wanted Martinez from the METS so it tells how they wanted good players. Melky is a fine ball-player my god you guys are unreal really are. Blame Pudge for this loss is funny, Whats wrong with going to the mound some1 please tell me Andy missed spots thats not Pudge’s fault at all, Britton pitch to VLAD let me guess was not his fault right
Ground in to triple play Jeter?
I’d like to nominate Darren O’Day for: Worst Job Pitching the 9th with a 9 run lead EVER.
GITP for Jeter here?
Would be so fitting.
here’s thier shutdown reliever, strap’em up atleast get one here and send the kid a message.
A few base hits and a grand slam? Teams have scored more than 9 in an inning before, I don’t blame him for shutting it down with a good reliever.
See, calls do impact the series.
The guy was actually out at 2nd, called safe, and then their pitcher gave up another hit and run. Now he has to go to his set up man Arredondo in a bases loaded, no outs situation against the top of the lineup.
Who knows if being forced to use him today affects his pitching tomorrow? Imagine if they had to use even more of their guys if Oliver gave it up without that call.
Watch the Yanks win with Ponson on the mound tomorrow. lol
Now we just need 8 more runs and this baby is all tied up.
Mr. Vodka makes me happy.
jeters due for the season
HERE COMES DOUBLE PLAY BOY
Anybody able to get a screen shot of that horrendous ump call?
Oh, it really is there? I really thought I was seeing things, BBB. He might have been joking if he did actually post it, but is just well, staggering… if he did post it and mean it.
And if you are talking about Yankee Killers did anyone mention Marco Scutaro? Ross Gload?
Brandon ask your sources how to spell SCIOSCIA cause u spelled it wrong..
Buhner. Ya know, everytime I hear his name I automatically think of Ken Phelps, and it still makes me throw up in my mouth a little.
And Jeter narrowly avoids the GIDP.
arredondo looks like he’s 12 in his gameday picture. does he look that young in real life?
Hey Arod, THAT’S how you do it.
DFox
July 31st, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Ground in to triple play Jeter?
ok…that made me laugh…
but c’mon guys, lay off the guy. Ever since he came up he has been the anchor of the team, and now everyone’s turning on him.
Jeter’s bat waggle is getting out of control.
Ok, if that little bastard hadn’t made that play, I’d have started to think that -maybe- something’s possible here.
Jeter tried his best o GIDP
Well. Figgins’ play there probably ends our chances of a comeback. If he doesn’t make that play and the bases are still loaded with no outs, our chances are a lot better .
Well…..lets some how hope PONSON or RASNER pulls something out of their A**. This is going to be a rough weekend.
Geez, this team can play defense…
Two great defensive plays. Blegh.
why are people killing pete for the pudge comment? it was funny. the guy was obviously not on the same page with andy and had a terrible first at bat. pete hardly said the team was destined to fail the rest of the year due to pudge.
well, they “battled” right down to the last out. cancel that team meeting. if it hadn’t been for that one call…
Britton is horrendous.
See guys, look at that.
Two OUTSTANDING, GOLD GLOVE CALIBER defensive players kill our rally. That’s the importance of defense. If you put two average defenders at third and first, Jeter’s and Abreu’s balls both get through, and it’s 12-6 with the bases loaded, still nobody out, and A-Rod, Sexson, Cano, and Nady coming up.
That changes the whole tone of the inning .
Angel, yup, it is definitely there! I am cynical so I automatically assumed he meant it, but I hope he was joking or hacked cause that’s utterly nonsensical.
tough to get a rally going when they make defensive plays like that..if not for those two plays we’d probably have been at 10-12 with none out when arod came up
Way to hustle A-Rod. You beat that out if you don’t stare at it rolling back fair down the line. Good job, way to play hard and put in effort!
Wonder how many of you will be attending Derek Jeter day, or make the trip to Cooperstown……Shame …..
Here’s a thought Girardi: move people around in the lineup. Jeter is killing us in the 2 and likewise with Giambi in the 5
Brandon ask your sources how to spell SCIOSCIA cause u spelled it wrong..
OH please everyone spells that name wrong.
Should’ve traded AROD. NEVER a championship with this LOSER.
See, take away a 3 run homer here, a 3 run homer there and this game is in extra innings. All positive with my Bacardi in hand.
“Buhner. Ya know, everytime I hear his name I automatically think of Ken Phelps, and it still makes me throw up in my mouth a little.”
weird. i think of seinfeld.
Tough game…
They better hope for some magic the rest of this series. Later.
i’ve heard a lot of people criticize girardi for changing the lineup too much, i think this is the first time i’ve heard the opposite
Well……I hope all of the Britton supporters are off the bandwagon now. That should tell you all why hes been in the minors for so long.
Well, at least they managed to score some runs tonight, considering they were being no-hit earlier in the game.
So I think I will do something I seldom do and that is deprive myself the pleasure of watching tonight’s postgame. I seriously don’t think there is anything to be analyzed that we can’t figure out ourselves.
Night all.
Onward and upward. Here’s hoping for tomorrow’s game.
All this team has to do is play a solid, well played game and they will beat the Angels, but they don’t, because they play intimidated and scared.
Cano’s error cost them 3 runs, Abreu’s missed ball 2 more. How much did they lose by?
SIX.
“why are people killing pete for the pudge comment? it was funny. the guy was obviously not on the same page with andy and had a terrible first at bat. pete hardly said the team was destined to fail the rest of the year due to pudge.
well, they “battled†right down to the last out. cancel that team meeting. if it hadn’t been for that one call…”
You’re quickly advancing up the ‘#1 idiot of the blog’ list.
I’m thinking he was joking too, BBB. He often does.
Kasey, I’m not one of the people on here, that kills Pete for everything he writes at all. I have a pretty good sense of humor and most of the time I get when he’s just being funny or facetious. That one just seemed a tad over the top.
And if I think so, I’ll say so.
the people on jeter’s case are the same people who boo rivera. it’s absurd.
the yankees didn’t show up to play until it was too late, and when they did, the angels played great defense.
pettitte pitched terribly, the team played very poorly until the tail end of the game, and they lost. pretty simple.
Finally . . .
Take your lips from Peters butt, Gotta love this now you guys can blame PUDGE for the loss’ instead of Cano,Melky. He was nervous and he even said that it will take him 1 time threw the rotation to know every1. o and he struck out his 1st AB o no he should be DFA for that..Yanks win and you guys are prasing them and when they lose you hate them all, bi-polar fans.. its ok to be mad and frustrated but know what to be upset bout
Wonder how many of you will be attending Derek Jeter day, or make the trip to Cooperstown……Shame …..
Stop it with that nonsense.
Just because you can realize aplayer is on his downside, doen’t mean you are disrespecting what he has done for you.
I guess you’re one of the ones who still wants Bernie in CF, and Tino at first.
Nostaglia is great, but winning games in the present is what it’s all about.
I would blame Pettitte’s pitching first..I mean giving up 2 3 run homers, one thing that Angels team does that this lineup will have to do is make teams pay w/ RISP.
3 3 run homers that means they had 3 big hits today, that is just unacceptable.
I don’t understand some people’s obsession with Britton. Without him pitching, we could have been tied at 6 (assuming the rest of the bullpen hold up). He’s been called up and sent down 1000 times and has proved that he’s WORTHLESS. Even Hawkins is better than Britton. He better be gone by tomorrow. I don’t know who’s replacing him, but anyone’s better.
I hate to say it, but the Angels are playing much better lately than both the Red Sox and the Yankees.
I hate to say it, but the Angels are playing much better lately than both the Red Sox and the Yankees.
Thanks Captain Obvious.
angel,
i wasn’t making reference to you. people take pete’s criticism of players so personally, it’s insane to me. i get it, we all love the yankees. unless anyone’s related to pudge, what difference does it make if pete posts a derisive comment?
again, i understand that, by and large, you’re not one of those people, i’m just making a general statement about how often pete catches flack on the blog for making a joke. it is, after all, his forum.
Let’s face it, no one thought the Rays would still be there after the AS break. They are a player in the East now. It’s not just the Yankees and Sox any more. Whats more the Angels are looking real good right now. We have our work cut out for us.
You know maybe I’m more buzzed than I think but this game was closer than 12-6. Add a run for the the blown call at home and a couple more without some brilliant defense in the last inning, take away just 1 bad pettite pitch and this game is a real game. Too bad it didn’t work out but that is the game.
Lets hope Ponson has 1 up his sleeve. You never know.
Halos have put on a pretty dominant trip thru Boston and NYC so far. Pretty clearly the best team in the AL right now, but who knows when October rolls around.
the people on jeter’s case are the same people who boo rivera. it’s absurd.
How anyone can defend Jeters playing this year is what’s absurd. He’s no longer working pitchers, he’s been swinging at the first pitch. He’s among the league leaders in double plays. How do you defend that?
Now the Pitching sucks and yet the offense is playing good.
But hey we got Ponson and Rasner.Don’t worry we can still go at it.
How anyone can defend Jeters playing this year is what’s absurd. He’s no longer working pitchers, he’s been swinging at the first pitch. He’s among the league leaders in double plays. How do you defend that?
Because to some of these clowns being objective and realistic means you hate a player and are a “bad” fan.
I have agree with the Jeter comments, I actually think he is no longer a 2 hitter for us, he may be better used at 6 or 7. Id like to see honestly maybe Abreu bat 2 or maybe even Pudge or Nady.
I’m a huge fan of Jeter. But the guy playing shortstop this year is not Jeter, and I’m not talking about his production. I’m talking about his approach to hitting, his defense, his leadership. That’s not the same Jeter we’ve known the past 12 years.
The Yankees can’t let the sentimentality kill their team. They let Bernie stay in center in key spots in the lineup as he dramatically dropped off and how many games did he lose us with his lack of range and arm in center over the years towards the end?
Sometimes you just have to realize your guys are declining and start looking into developing or acquiring guys to help pick up the slack. Jeter is at the point where a year or two down the line, you won’t be able to play him as you do now. He’s already earning his way to a spot down at the bottom of the lineup and his defense in 2 years will not be shortstop worthy.
It’s good to be hot in late July and early August, but it’s better to be hot in mid September and early October. Remember that.
And I agree, I’m often amazed by how people often are so rude to him on his forum just because he says things they don’t like. Its not that hard to disagree with him respectfully. Generally I find him pretty amusing.
That comment just sounded a bit out of character for him. I really thought I’d misread it. He could have been making a satirical comment on the assclown fans out there who actually booed him for making an out his first AB, and he’d be right too.
I love the Yankees, but I can’t stand Yankee fans.
3 game winning streak starts TOMORROW !
It’s good to be hot in late July and early August, but it’s better to be hot in mid September and early October. Remember that.
Stupid me. Here I though playing consistent, good baseball was the key to success.
Some of the stuff you all come out with to try and sugarcoat this team is hysterical.
STATS ARE MISLEADING. Look at the boxscore.. the angels had 2 errors the yanks none… wow the yanks must have fielded well and not the angels… WRONG
the angels made about 4 diving plays, cano missed numerous almost plays, the abreu/melky debacle, and the arod deflection(good try) the yanks did not make any of the plays.. Did it cost them???
Numerous runs.. just look at the 9th the angels made 2 great plays…
Stats do not always tell the story…..
“Take your lips from Peters butt, Gotta love this now you guys can blame PUDGE for the loss’ instead of Cano,Melky.”
And I’m sure that clown Steve Phillips will blame Pudge for the loss as well.
I’m not hating on Jeter, he will go down as one of the greats. But NOBODY can sit on here and say that he a good defender at the SS position. He not only has trouble ranging left or right, but he continuously makes bad throws when he does get to a ball. And he is struggling at the plate. He doesn’t drive the ball at all anymore. Now am I saying I hate Jeter and he should hang em up tomorrow? No, but it’s just as absurd as you guys thinking that the 98 and 99 Jeter are going to re-appear. It’s kinda hard to watch, actually. Just like Bernie, and I have a feeling Posada isn’t to far behind them. I remember watching Mattingly go through it and it tore me up, but then in the 95 playoffs he was hitting the cover off the ball. Screw you Edgar Martinez!!!!!!
Of course he will blame Pudge and say that he doesnt know what pitches to call, Hello Pudge has caught in the AL before so I am sure he knows how to get guys out, he just has to learn what pitches the staff likes to throw in certain counts, but Andy missed spots 2nite and hes a vet so I am sure he would call off Pudge if he didnt like it.
Terror for the Halos,
You sound a lot like Vito!
I guess the angels are the old yanks.. 7 of the players in the lineup tonight were hitting like 280 or more.. no unbelievable stat guys just all good..
alot of speed the old yankee teams did not have that.. great fielding they get to a lot of balls and good pitching…
they also take advantage of every would coulda………
rav ?…who is rav ? (wink)
The Angels look like they are peaking now.
Do you think we could move Nady up a bit in the batting order?
He’s a better hitter than Giambi and Cano this year…
Bob the original,
“stupid me”, you said it genius. sugarcoat the fact that your a fair weather bro. Good consistent baseball? And what is good consistent baseball to you? Winning 10 games in a row, losing 1 and winning 10 more? Well little man, that ain’t gonna happen. The Angels are hot right now. The Yankees were hot last week. But a playoff team want to “peak” at the end of September and go into the playoffs playing well.
ray the Sox fan has keen observation skills
the main thing here is that we are now behind two teams in two diffrent races. we are behind the rays and sox in the divison and behind the sox and twins in the wild card. the team has to play literally .600 or better to even have a chance at any sort of playoff spot. btw 8 more games vs the angels is not going to help
We have probably the best SS in the game on our team.
Unfortunatley he’s playing 3rd base.
“How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going?” Are you for real? Don’t act like you were against the move. Molina can’t hit, and you hated Farnsworth. What are you talking about?
Also, Mussina had one poor start after 10 straight decent-to-great ones. Hardly struggling.
Whoever is blaming this on Pudge is being ridiculous. I didn’t see the 2 homeruns live but from the replays, Pudges glove and the the point of contact seemed far from each other. Andy just missed and they hit it far. He looked alright for a guy whose career just hit a whirlwind in the last 24 hours. Lets try and look at the bigger picture a bit.
OK, we have the best SS playing baseball at 3B. Who would you have play 3B then?
Bob the original,
“stupid meâ€, you said it genius. sugarcoat the fact that your a fair weather bro. Good consistent baseball? And what is good consistent baseball to you? Winning 10 games in a row, losing 1 and winning 10 more? Well little man, that ain’t gonna happen. The Angels are hot right now. The Yankees were hot last week. But a playoff team want to “peak†at the end of September and go into the playoffs playing well.
I was gonna respond, but then I thought anyone who calls someone “bro” ain’t worth the effort.
arod has also lost a few steps on the field. has anyone noticed that any ball hit to his left always goes by him.
OK, we have the best SS playing baseball at 3B. Who would you have play 3B then?
Jesus, it was merely a statement of fact, not a call for lineup position changes for tomorrow’s game.
“We have probably the best SS in the game on our team.
Unfortunatley he’s playing 3rd base.”
You’re killing me dude.
“Golden Jerry, Golden!”
There’s not much to figure out here Pettitte stunk tonight it’s that simple. And yeh I think GI Joe needs to move Nady up in the lineup (no I’m still not convinced he pans out but he is starting to crush the ball and he gets into these streaks w/ RISP)
arod has also lost a few steps on the field. has anyone noticed that any ball hit to his left always goes by him.
You mean the ones most shortstops would field?
**********It’s a joke people relax, I don’t hate Jeter and haven’t forgotten how many clutch hits he’s had over the years.*************
“How’s the Pudge Rodriguez Era going?†Are you for real? Don’t act like you were against the move.”
Pete came out very much in favor of the move, but he also seems to have recognized that this is a guy who came for Kyle Farnsworth and that it was no accident. Pudge is not a terrific player anymore. His defensive skills are diminshing (the Yankees lose something defensively going from Molina to Pudge) and he’s a borderline average to below average hitter (though a bit above average by catcher standards).
Bob The Original, not to be mistaken for Bob The Knockoff…..Playing with a bad hand for a baseball player is a handicap that’s hard to express unless you’ve expierenced it….Enough said, he has lost a step no doubt but this is hardly the demise of Derek Jeter…..
The statement of fact over best SS makes no sense then. Why say it if there is noone else to play 3B. Jeter may not be having his best year, but that is still an awesome combo. Why call Arod the best SS on the team, when even you realize it makes no sense to move him there?
I’m nominating Pudge for the Kevin Maas Jawbone Award.
Enough said, he has lost a step no doubt but this is hardly the demise of Derek Jeter…..
I’m not saying he should retire tomorrow.
He’s 34 though, getting too old for SS.
And he definetly needs to be moved down in the order. He really is killing the Yanks there this year.
Ponson tomorrow **shudders in fear**
Andy didn’t have it today.
Holy Jeebus, what will the Angels do against Ponson?
we really need to start thinking about next year…I mean, we are a WHOLE ONE GAME back of the Red Sox in the loss column for what now is the wild card race and what WILL BE the division race, when Tampa folds like any SANE baseball fan knows they will and there are only 54 games to go !!!
54 !!!
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How the HELL can this Yankees team with all of its lack of talent be expected to make up ONE FLIPPIN’ GAME when we only have 54 left to play ?
WHAT THE HALE IS GOING ON ? Why do they all hate us so much !!!!
The statement of fact over best SS makes no sense then. Why say it if there is noone else to play 3B. Jeter may not be having his best year, but that is still an awesome combo. Why call Arod the best SS on the team, when even you realize it makes no sense to move him there?
So even though it’s true, I shouldn’t say it because he won’t play there?
That makes alot of sense.
How does someone call Pudge borderline average to below average hitter? He is hitting .295. He hit .281,.300,.276 his last three years. Are you stupid?
ray (sox fan): Yup. But at least the Sox have been able to handle them in the past. If I recall correctly, they’ve had the Yankees’ number every season since 1996. Continuing to miss Chien Ming Wang in a rather overwhelming way . . .
Little off topic but I say slot IPK in for Ponson or Rasner after the next start. Whoever has a more productive start stays for now (try to squeeze any little bit of produciton out of either of those two).
OK play Arod at SS. that makes sense. Then what to to with Jeter and find a third baseman. I’m the one not making sense????
Delayed Vengeance,
After writing that Tampa Bay will fold you were supposed to add, “Book it Dano!”
“The Angels look like they are peaking now.”
An interesting observation in terms of trying to figure out who will end up with the hot hand when the time comes. Unless you have a team like the 1998 Yankees, where they just never stopped excelling once they started, a lot of times you are going to find that the team who takes it all turns out to be the team who gets hot at the right time.
Just an observation without anything else to add except that it isn’t too late for the Yankees to get hot and peak. And if it happens at the right time, it can propel us into the postseason.
If I were to go on nothing beyond my power of observation over the last several games I would be thinking that the Yankees need to accept that they aren’t going anywhere. However, I know what this team is made of so I know that they can erupt at any time.
Torre and Nomar sound pretty happy to be getting Manny in LA.
OK play Arod at SS. that makes sense. Then what to to with Jeter and find a third baseman. I’m the one not making sense????
I give up.
lil’m
The Sox have played the Angels very well in recent years, but right now they have beat the Sox I think 7 games in a row!
I give up too.
Boston is going to be worse without Manny.
The Yankees are better with the 3 players we just added.
Tampa is at least 7 games back of the division winner, when the season is over.
The Angels have the Yankees number UNTIL we beat them in the playoffs, which COULD happen this year.
ray the sox fan is a friend of mine.
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BOOK IT, DANO !!!
it’s true and Bob is right. Jeter is definitely hurting the team hitting 2nd but can he really be moved down. Cano might even shine there, Nady could be good too but it’s like were sort of cursed with this history and pride stuff. Jeter can’t hit 5th. Arod might never see another fastball. It’s 6th or lower and could you imagine the backlash. Girardi could be stoned to death or something. Sometimes I think this team needs to just let go of the past. It’s a new game and we’re just stuck.
We need to split these games with the Angels. I have confidence our team will perform well against non-Angel teams.
Why does Damon talk on post game every day and Jeter rarely ever anymore? What the hell is going on with this guy?
Damn did Peter Gammons ever rip Manny
DAMN THAT WAS LOW EVEN FOR GAMMONS
Yankee starting pitching is their most vulnerable spot. No way they go to the playoffs with this 5. Bring up Hughes, Kennedy, and Aceves ASAP.
losers remember when seattle had that crazy yr. with Pinella and they came to NY and destroyed the Yanks…..
I think this angel team is better and the Yanks have some holes but you never know and the angels are playing so well now but it is a long season.. DOminating starting pitching changes everything anyways……
Imagine Joba at 22 or 23 is the Yanks best starter after 11 starts……..Man they need wang and Hughes bad..
did you see espn news today the deadline show? these mrons said about 3 times that hughes and kennedy have never won a big league game…..The host said it at least 3 times and the other morons never corrected him…
Hughes won 5 games last yr.. I jsut looked it up on ESPN.com.. but these guys who get paid to do this could not figure it out!!!!!
Why does Damon talk on post game every day and Jeter rarely ever anymore? What the hell is going on with this guy?
He’s not a vocal leader he’s more of a let my play lead guy.
“How does someone call Pudge borderline average to below average hitter? He is hitting .295. He hit .281,.300,.276 his last three years. Are you stupid?”
Well Beavis, if you take a good look at baseballreference.com, you’ll note an OPS+ of less than 100 over the past 4 years. 100 is average. Being below 100 = being below average. He’s a lousy OBP guy, doesn’t have much power anymore and in general is nothng special. Is he a better hitter than Molina? Yes. But Molina stinks. Borderline average to below average > stinks.
Goats of the game -
Britton
Jeter
Pettitte and Cano get a pass.
This team is just not that good.
I am agreeing with a lot of the posters. Move A-Rod to SS.
Move Jeter to 2nd, how much longer can he play SS anyway?
Cano goes to 3rd.
i dislike gammons but he is right on manny.. manny is a total jerk, and is a crook. he stole from the sux…
he is a wierd and twisted dude… the sux paid him like $160 mill… that is real $$$, he acts like he is a coal miner getting screwed by a bad owner.
again I dislike the sux more then most, but manny is a total jerk, and his next contract will be less then the 2 options he just threw away….the guy is 36 and a lazy dogger…
MY only problem w/ the Yankees offense is they keep waiting for 2 outs to hit w/ RISP.. I like that we are getting those types of hit but we’re wasting outs waiting for that 2 out hit. IDK why w/ 0 outs or 1 out they can’t hit w/ RISP and keep w/ the 2 out hitting. It’s weird, it’s like what the Indians did to us in the playoffs last year.
“DAMN THAT WAS LOW EVEN FOR GAMMONS”
The truth can sting sometimes.
Sad when a rookie is the best starter.
Manny is going to mash the NL’s awful pitching…But teams are NEVER going to pitch to him, he will get walked all the time The Dodgers lineup is terrible besides Martin!!
Irod and Nady are not great players neither of them.. That is not the point.. Irod is a league average hitter but for catchers he is about the 3rd best hitting catcher since most catchers cannot hit at all. Look at the stats…
Nady is a huge improvement over what they were getting from Gardner and whomever.. The bottom line is the ywi score more runs then they otherwise woud since the additions to the roster.
Look at 1 play tonight that illustrates this totally.. I rod hit hard grounder to figgins and was safe at first barely. Molina is thrown out by 5 feet. Plays like that over 55 games equal more base runners and should lead to more runs, how hard is that to figure out?
The play at the plate where Irod was incorrectly called out is another example..
Do you guys really not understand this???
Therefore Irod and Nady were upgrades.. Are they superstars? No… They are upgrades over what they had, not real complicated….
Trying to figure out who’s loonier. Brandon or stuart.
It is not the Yankee offense people! It’s their lousy starting pitching.
No team can be successful looking up at the scoreboard after 3 innings being down 3-6 runs a game. It puts too much pressure on the offense to have to clean up the mess (except for Joba) the starting pitcher left.
Theo ghost-wrote that for Gammons.
He’s not a vocal leader he’s more of a let my play lead guy.
lol since when? Previous years he was interviewed every day, win or lose.
THIS is the lineup to look for :
DH Damon (.315)
SS Jeter (.280)
LF Nady (.328)
3B A-Rod (.326)
C I-Rod (.295)
RF Abreu (.287)
1B Giambi (.257)
2B Cano (.263)
CF Melky (.251)
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try THAT for a week or 2 and see how they rake !
Irod and Nady are not great players neither of them..
You’re clueless.
The Angels are the best team in baseball. All five of their starters give them a chance to win every game. They have a great bullpen with Shields and K-Rod. They play great defense. They’re fundamentally sound. They can hit home runs and steal a ton of bases. And they just added Teixeira to their lineup.
If you’re the Yankees, you hope that you somehow win the division so you don’t have to face them in the first round of the playoffs.
“Trying to figure out who’s loonier. Brandon or stuart.”
Brandon wins just for his name bashing Nady for no reason.
This team is just not that good.
No I disagree I actually for the first time don’t agree w/ this statement. This team has awareness issues. They wait for 2 outs to get hits (this is good that they can do this because 2 out hits are momentum changing hits) the problem here is they are wasting outs and letting teams breathe, whatever they are doing w/ 2 outs when they are at the plate they need to make a habit of no matter what the situation.
stop blaming the offense!!
you are only as good as your starting pitcher.
why are the angels the best? because they got 5 good starters.
Brandon wins just for his name bashing Nady for no reason.
Nady hasn’t earned anything yet, therefore my Nady comment stays until he shows his consistancy (I got to admit he is showing signs of life but it stays there for now)
Hopefully this game was an aberration for Pettitte and he will revert to his usual strong showing in the second half.
I can’t say the defense was very impressive tonight, and I think it is time to consider moving Jeter down in the order.
The Angels appear to be the real deal this year, a very well balanced team. Next three games are going to be tough.
“Trying to figure out who’s loonier. Brandon or stuart.”
Why insult anyone? If you disagree with what they said, then respond with a coherent counter-argument.
It would be great if these discussions focused on constructive criticisms that might help win the division of WC. Who knows who actually might be reading this blog.
“Irod and Nady are not great players neither of them..
You’re clueless.”
Not often you find a clueless guy who is 100% correct. Neither is a great player. Irod was, but is 3-4 years removed that time. Nady never was and never will be.
E-Man , when you want to see an example of clueless, hold a mirror up to your face. I-Rod and Nady are WORLDS better than Molina and Gardner/Christian and they easily can thrive with both the bat and the glove with the talent that NY puts on the field every day.
Hippy no is saying that didn’t happen, my first post was directly at Pettitte he sucked tonight plain and simple, Pettitte pitched horrible tonight.
yeah p doug.. I am sure your posts are quite insightful…
let me guess in no particular order you posts entail ; jeter cannot play SS, melky should be waived, trade every minor leaguer for an old scrub, and why can’t they win every game…
I assume you are of the need a superstar at every position crowd..
yeah the angels smoked us tonight with eric aybar at SS, figgans at 3B(a supposed power position) , juan rivera a Yankee retread in LF, and jeff mathis behind the plate
p Doug or whatever your name is can you think???
If Ramirez hadn’t forgotten which knee was bothering him, he would have been more convincing, but he got mixed up.
lol.
Wow Gammons is prettay prettay steamed up over Manny. Oh well.
So, Manny found a new home, next up Brett Favre?
no one *
my bad…stuart and Fredo Corleone, please report to the nearest ER,…..people around you are sensing no brain activity….E-man…you ARE the man…..( over and out ! )
“this game was an aberration for Pettitte and he will revert to his usual strong showing in the second half.
I can’t say the defense was very impressive tonight,”
1) I think it was an aberration for Pettitte
2) The Yankees defense is among the worst in baseball. That it was not especially good tonight should not come as a shock.
yeah delayed venegance besides being up past your bed time when your mommy told you to go to bed at 9, your posts are moronic.. your new batting order has as much chance of happening as you getting a raise at Burger King or you passing your GED exam
Why do you share your drivel with us?? Really have you ever played baseball or watched a game with out your binky?
“Really have you ever played baseball or watched a game with out your binky?”
ROFLOL!!!!!!
Someone else was watching “Suicide Kings” tonight ?
Sorry people I forgot to quote. I’m not that dumb to call a first ballot hall of famer and a guy with a higher avg than Arod not great players.
I was calling Stuart clueless for making that comment.
“Not often you find a clueless guy who is 100% correct. Neither is a great player. Irod was, but is 3-4 years removed that time. Nady never was and never will be.”
And it looks like Fredo might be clueless too.
e man what the hell are you talking about . I rod is an upgrade over Molina but at this time of his career I rod is OK.
Do not say I have said things that I have not. .Do I get on Arod? Absolutely.. Yeah he will make the HOF, is that shocking, but we will see what the final write up on his career is in about 9 years.
SO do not say I said something that I did not.. Jerk…
stuart
July 31st, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Irod and Nady are not great players neither of them.. That is not the point.. Irod is a league average hitter but for catchers he is about the 3rd best hitting catcher since most catchers cannot hit at all. Look at the stats…
Nady is a huge improvement over what they were getting from Gardner and whomever.. The bottom line is the ywi score more runs then they otherwise woud since the additions to the roster.
Look at 1 play tonight that illustrates this totally.. I rod hit hard grounder to figgins and was safe at first barely. Molina is thrown out by 5 feet. Plays like that over 55 games equal more base runners and should lead to more runs, how hard is that to figure out?
The play at the plate where Irod was incorrectly called out is another example..
Do you guys really not understand this???
Therefore Irod and Nady were upgrades.. Are they superstars? No… They are upgrades over what they had, not real complicated….
dementia? Stuart?
Everybody is on Nady and I=Rod.Why aren’t people blaming Kennedy and Hughes for not leaving up to the hype…Joba did.How about Wang being in the DL every year since he’s been up here.
How about Alex Rodriguez who if he was hitting like last year we would be in first place.Hey Nady is not better then Alex Rodriguez but Nady isn’t getting paid $27 million either.
The Starting pitching is starting to be what it was overrated(besides Joba).Geting 6 runs off the Angels was big but hey the pitching can’t hang….don’t worry Ponson pitches tomorrow.
Hey this is a very interesting article! Thanks!