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Game 109: Angels at Yankees

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 01, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES (59-49)
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi DH
Cano 2B
Betemit 1B
I. Rodriguez C
Cabrera CF
Ponson RHP

ANGELS (68-40)
Figgins 3B
Izturis SS
Teixeira 1B
Guerrero RF
Hunter CF
Anderson DH
Kendrick 2B
Rivera LF
Mathis C
Santana RHP

Sidney Ponson (6-2, 4.59) vs. the Los Angeles hitters.

Ervin Santana (11-5, 3.57) vs. the New York hitters.

Notes: Thanks to Jeff Gold for calling in the lineup. … Betemit is 0 for 3 with two strikeouts against Santana. Xavier Nady has never faced him before. Betemit is hitting .196 since July 1 with 16 strikeouts in 46 at-bats. Presumably Nady was consumed by wild dogs or something. He 4 for his last 7 with three extra-base hits and three RBI.

The Yankees have lost 24 of their last 39 games against the Angels. … The Angels are 37-19 on the road. To put that in some perspective, the Yankees are the only other team in the AL with a winning record on the road and they are 25-24.

SIR SIDNEY: One can only assume that this is do-or-die time for Ponson. His last eight starts, going back to his time in Texas, have been pretty awful. Ponson has pitched 42.2 innings, allowing 67 hits and 18 walks. His ERA is 6.12 and opponents have hit .368 against him.

The Yankees have Ian Kennedy and Alfredo Aceves in Scranton knocking on the door.

I am not not covering the game tonight. With the 10-game road trip coming up, I have the weekend off. But we’ll have the lineups and other news for you as my Journal News comrades will be at the Stadium.

UPDATE, 4:23 p.m.: Ah, that explains it. Xavier Nady has a sore right quad. He is day-to-day but available to pinch hit.

BRUNEY BACK: As predicted, Chris Britton reboarded the Scranton shuttle. So welcome back Brian Bruney. The RHP is back in pinstripes for the first time since suffering a lisfranc fracture of his right foot in Chicago on April 22.

WHY CAN’T THE YANKEES GET A PITCHER LIKE THAT? On the day the day the Yankees are running Sidney Ponson out there, Jeff Karstens just threw six shutout innings against the Cubs. He also got two sacrifices down, which makes him a better hitter than Betemit.

Here’s hoping Karstens has a great career. He’s a good guy who has overcome assorted injuries including a broken leg. He had essentially run out of chances with the Yankees, maybe the fresh start will work out for him.

UPDATE, 7:00 p.m., LIVAN ON A JET PLANE? Livan Hernandez is not very good but the Mets and the Yankees could use him. John Maine will skip at least one start with a shoulder issue and Pedro Martinez is, at best, uncertain. The Yankees will probably realize they need a new starter by, oh, the third inning or so tonight.

UPDATE, 7:48 p.m.: No idea who this is in Sidney Ponson’s uniform, but he’s pitching pretty well.

UPDATE, 8:04 p.m.: Sidney Ponson is throwing a no-hitter after four innings thanks to great defensive plays by Wilson Betemit and Bobby Abreu.

Now there’s a sentence I never expected to write. Perhaps there’s still hope for, “This blog now sponsored by my new friends, The Pussycat Dolls.”

UPDATE, 8:30 p.m.: Joe Girardi said a few days ago that he hoped Chien-Ming Wang would be able to pitch again in September. He finally admitted today that such a scenario was impossible. He’s now holding out hope for Oct. 1, assuming there is an Oct. 1.

Just look at a calendar. Wang remains in a brace and on crutches and will be evaluated again on Tuesday. At best, he could start playing catch sometime next weekend. He’ll have to play catch for a week, then have 3-4 bullpen sessions, a BP or two then at least three minor league starts.

If all goes well, Wang could be ready in October. But would you really want to toss him out there after three months of not seeing major-league hitters?

UPDATE, 8:38 p.m.: Sidney Ponson is throwing a gem and I’ve, yet again, been proven an idiot. But I stil think the Yankees need to get another starter.

UPDATE, 9:32 p.m.: At this point, it’s really not a surprise when Mariano gives it up in a non-save situation. Very, very strange. I have no explanation for it.

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1,153 Responses to “Game 109: Angels at Yankees”

  1. saucY August 1st, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    queue the “what, no Nady?” complaints….

  2. crawdaddie August 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    I can’t believe he’s resting Nady again.

  3. NJ August 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    ugh….betemit.

  4. Dave In Sun City August 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Get Bettemit the hell out of there and Nady back in. DH Nady if necessary, Big G on 1st.

  5. Scorpio August 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Betemit. Why, oh, why?

  6. EdFL August 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Why is Betemit playing? I dont understand this man-crush Girardi has on Betemit.

  7. Matt-LI August 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    I really dislike the fact that X is not in the lineup… The guy hits and then gets benched for a much lesser bat, I don’t get it.

  8. stf August 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Exactly, can’t believe Nady is not there… WTF???

  9. hanks the man August 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    why did we get nady to seat the bench are u serious..what is girardi is thinknin man he is startin to heat up..im madd..

  10. PaulydaGoat August 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Glad we traded for Nady. lol

  11. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    This is all Melky’s fault.

  12. Michael Kay's Worst Nightmare August 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Giambi? Cabrera? BETEMIT? I’m not even gonna watch this game.

  13. stf August 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    What are you thoughts, Peter? Can somebody ask Girardi WHY Betemit over Nady???

  14. Brian August 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    WHY IS NADY NOT PLAYING!!!!! I don’t understand what’s joe obsession with Betemit, this guy sucks, he can’t even spell on base percentage.

  15. Noey August 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    I can’t believe he is not playing Nady, What is he doing!!!!!!! Let Nady play center, Melky is useless

  16. 34hughes August 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    where is the x man

  17. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    “Giambi? Cabrera? BETEMIT? I’m not even gonna watch this game.”

    That’s the spirit.

  18. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    …Erm, Joe, you know, even if you want to mail it in you still have to *play* the game.

    Seriously, no X? Just as he’s getting into it?

    Not a fan of this line up. Here’s hoping I’m wrong.

  19. Aaron August 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    WHAT THE HELL IS THE SENSE OF GETTING NADY THEN?!

  20. stf August 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Honestly, I’d like to hear Girardi’s explanation on this. 0-2 in series.

  21. RalphieD August 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    geez does EVERYONE have to say the same thing…its pretty clear after the first 3 posts

  22. Michael Kay's Worst Nightmare August 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Just kidding folks… here’s the real line up.

    Damon LF
    Jeter SS
    Abreu RF
    A. Rodriguez 3B
    Nady CF
    Giambi 1B
    Cano 2B
    I. Rodriguez C
    Ponson RHP

    While we’re at it: Mussina RHP

  23. Chris August 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    I want to bop Girardi on the head like those V8 commercials.

  24. Dave In Sun City August 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    I lke the idea of trying Nady in CF. But Betemit till shouldn’t be in there!

  25. Aaron August 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Noey August 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    I can’t believe he is not playing Nady, What is he doing!!!!!!! Let Nady play center, Melky is useless

    MELKY HAD 3 HITS LAST NIGHT U IDIOT.. BE A FAN AND WATCH THE GAME..

  26. saucY August 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    where are the baseball-reference links? i at least want to see how much Betemit stinks against this pitcher before i complain…

  27. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    “I can’t believe he is not playing Nady, What is he doing!!!!!!! Let Nady play center, Melky is useless.”

    right on cue.

    it’s actually Melky’s fault i’m stuck at work at 4:00 PM as well.

    so does Brett Gardner suddenly morph into Xavier Nady in August? i didn’t know that.

  28. bphill August 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Betemit is gonna hit a home run tonight since y’all are bashing him.

  29. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! August 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    hmm why not try Nady at 1st? it is because Betemit got a hit last night so he gets to be in the lineup?

  30. DvAb August 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    to be playing Betemit instead of Nady is giving up the game….I’ll tune in tomorrow…what a bunch of horse excrement

  31. stf August 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    The only explanation I can think about it’s getting Giambi on track with him playing DH. But Nady was HOT, man!

  32. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Does Betemit have great lifetime numbers against Santana or something?

    Like 8 for 10 with 6 RBI and 3 HR, 2 2B and a 3B?

  33. Drew August 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Betemit and Ponson…..cringe

  34. RayBlay August 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    http://www.baseball-reference......erbyb=Name
    there ya go saucy
    yep giambis 1/9 off him but hes dh-ing anyway

  35. mel August 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    Just checked out Karstens on Gameday. He’s doing great. 5 innings of shutout ball against the Cubs.

    Laroche and Moss are playing and contributing immediately as well.

    Nice day for the Pirates.

  36. DvAb August 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    and PURE GENIUS to be batting Wilson ahead of Pudge….GENIUS I TELL YA ! :-(

  37. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    Jeff Karstens = 5 shutout innings vs. the Cubs at Wrigley. Good for him

  38. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Theo and Francona press conference on ESPN TV right now.

  39. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    …Nope.

  40. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    “to be playing Betemit instead of Nady is giving up the game….I’ll tune in tomorrow…what a bunch of horse excrement”

    i’d feel so used, abused, and dropped off at the corner by this crowd if i was Brett Gardner. y’all are such players, i swear.

  41. saucY August 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    thanks RayBlay

    and now for your regularly scheduled whining:

    what in the *($*@($(#^&&*(@

  42. JB August 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    “That’s the spirit.”

    This group’s really entertaining, isn’t it. More pathetic really, but entertaining nonetheless.

  43. Phil August 1st, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Nady got a rest day on the 29th (and did come in to pinch hit). Prior to that, he played 10 straight (though the 25th doesn’t really count as it was the trade day but I imagine it wasn’t very restful).
    With the fact that there’s still another 13 straight games to go during this stretch, he’s got to rest sometime. Should it be against the Angels? Maybe not. But I’d rather have him be in the lineup every day on the road and with tomorrow being a late afternoon game, someone had to come out off the field, I guess.

  44. RayBlay August 1st, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    oh great chone figgins the yankee killer is 7-14 off ponson

  45. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Just posting something I put on the other forum. Didn’t know it was “jump up” time…

    If this is old news so be it. I just saw it on ESPN TV. It seems that Theo met with the Sux veteran players on Wednesday night and they told him that Manny could no longer be counted on and that he had to go.

    And they talk about the Bronx zoo!

  46. number18 August 1st, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    nady is finally starting to hit and you put BETEMIT in the friggin lineup… ugh… he is sooo bad.

  47. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Oh yeah. Livan was DFA to make room for Liriano.

    A though about pitchers that you might love to see come to the Bronx, Washburn included (if you do). Always remember that there is never a guarantee that what you have seen elsewhere will ever translate the same way in the Bronx. History has shown us that over and over. Just a word of caution to people who could end up being disappointed.

    Also, WEEI spent a lot of time talking about Pudge’s reputation for calling for outside pitches so he could showcase his arm. We might as well acknowledge the reality of what we have gotten as well as well as we acknowledge that he has had an HOF career. And oh yeah, I disagree that Pettitte calls his own games but rather agree with Kay and the posters who pointed out that Pettitte’s comfort level lies in having the catcher call the game. Seldom do you see him shake anyone off.

    And didn’t Molina come to us from the Angels? Who better to call games from behind the plate than someone who knows the players! I still say it was a mistake to throw Pudge right out there especially against the Angels. Better that we had the opportunity to take a game or two than to deal from a deficit position. Just my opinion.

  48. E-Man August 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Awesome line up! No Complaints here!

    Captain Double Play still hitting #2

    Nady getting rest for at least the second time since he’s been here. Meanwhile, Melky and Abreu have played in 105 games this season.

    Nothing to complain about here!

    Go Sidney!

  49. hanks the man August 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    who cares how many games we have in row..he could DH he is a way better option then wilsonm

  50. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! August 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Theo and Francona press conference on ESPN TV right now.

    what number is Bay wearing? did he took schilling #38?

  51. RayBlay August 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    AND Damon’s 2-13 against Santana and yet he is playing LF, Nady’s favorite position

  52. Wangawa August 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but I think Nady should be in the lineup

  53. saucY August 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Sexson has decent #’s against Ervin too…. **scratches head**

  54. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Anyone know the Angels line up today?

  55. chiggie August 1st, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    bphill you have to be the funniest guy on the net. I watch EVERY game and I seriously will consider not watching tonight because of BEEEEtameet. Makes me sick! This is the one thing that makes me cuss Girardi about. Yanks fans at the game, please BOOO W.B. every chance you get.

  56. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Trisha-

    Pudge would have to get in there at some point. No matter the opponenet, the games count the same in the standings. A game against the Angels isn’t weighted for more.

    My opinion: the quicker he adjusts to our pitchers, the better for us.

    Your first paragraph’s a wise one, though. In the end, our core’s going to push us over the top, not Nady or Pudge….although they could sure help the cause.

  57. Scorpio August 1st, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    “Betemit is 0 for 3 with two strikeouts against Santana.”

    Wow, Girardi for Manager of the Year!

  58. stf August 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    After series at Texas Yanks will be out of the WC race.

  59. Matt Nokes August 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Doesn’t matter who the Angels put in there – they are going to beat on us like a drum!

  60. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Abreu RF

    Betemit 1B

    this isnt funny anymore.

  61. Coach Jay23 August 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    MELKY is hitting .284 the last days you so called YANKEES fans. That is the 4th best avg on the team in that span. Nady should be playing and he can play 1st maybe some1 should tell Joe he can play 1st. also with this lineup some1 please tell me how Wilson is hitting ahead of Pudge i know the whole Lefty/Righty think but who cares Wilson is a switch-hitter. UNREAL JOE

  62. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    I love the ceremonial “we’re going to lose!” post-lineup moment. it’s my favorite, right behind the 1st inning “we’re going to lose!” moment, and the 3rd, 5th, and 7th inning ones.

  63. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    “After series at Texas Yanks will be out of the WC race.”

    if that’s true, will you leave?

  64. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    Jorge very good point and one I didn’t think about. It really didn’t matter who the opponent was, Pudge would still be in the same position sooner or later.

  65. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    I love the ceremonial “we’re going to lose!” post-lineup moment. it’s my favorite, right behind the 1st inning “we’re going to lose!” moment, and the 3rd, 5th, and 7th inning ones.

    Perfect!

    :)

  66. Scorpio August 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Pudge should never have been thrown out there last night. Pettitte likes his catcher to call his game, hence the love for Jose Molina, and we all saw how uncomfortable Andy was all night…at one point he even had to mouth the words “4-seamer” to Pudge.

    Should have been Molina/Pettitte, Pudge/Ponson and then Molina/Moose as Pudge gets acclimated.

  67. stf August 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    They should’ve traded Betemit long time ago. He’s useless.

  68. Coach Jay23 August 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Molina will be catching tomorrow its a mid-day game so instead of Molina catching tonight and tomorrows mid-day game he will catch Moose tomorrow and Pudge will have the day off.

  69. Andrew August 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    I set the over/under on 2 strikeouts for Betemit tonight. I, personally, am taking the over.

  70. CTYankee August 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Betimit the magic elixor vs the Halos???

    Seriously though what the hell is Girardi doing!

  71. stf August 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    ““After series at Texas Yanks will be out of the WC race.”

    if that’s true, will you leave?”

    NO. Fan never leaves.

  72. djsunyc August 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    nady hit another homer for the yanks yesterday yet he sits today? it’s the stretch run, why is he not playing everyday?

  73. yanksfanmc August 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Does Girardi know that Nady knows how to play 1st? Did Cash let him know this

  74. Leo August 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Nady goes 2 for 3 last night with a homer but is out of the line up… i quit

  75. Coach Jay23 August 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    lol lol lol u guys are funny, Pudge didnt come fron another country guys or even another league he was playin the AL and he has played against LAA this year and if you know anything the Yanks hadnt played against them til last night. Also, the only problem Pudge and Andy wouldve had last night couldve been signs being switched w/runners on or sometimes what Andy likes to throw in situations. Pudge is HOF he knows what he is doing. Him catching had nothing to do with the outcome, How come Molina could come in here last year and not the staff and do fine???? Stop looking for new guys to blame.

  76. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Tonight’s game is over? Its only 4:11?

    Did they start it early or something?

  77. kill.schil(ing) August 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Nady goes deep last night and has another hit besides and again, Girardi play Wilson Betemit. Why? Because Girardi is infatuated– obsessively, irrationally fixated– with hitting left-handed hitter against right-handed pitchers and vice-versa. His fixation manifests with the bullpen as well only in reverse.

    Had Joey Prospectus bothered to read his manual he also might have considered that Nady, unlike year’s past, has hit right-handers this year too.

    Nady’s Splits

    Against RH’s .330/.369/.546
    Against LH’s .319/.438/.542

    Willy, as Joey Prospectus likes to call him, can’t hit from either side of the plate this year.

    In 125 ABs, he has struck out 38 times or 30.4% That’s a .304 strike out average to go along with his .248/.275/.400 numbers. His strike out percentage is better than his batting average.

    Hey, Joey Prospectus, you play your best hitters EVERY night. You want to rest someone fine. But you just rested Nady in the Orioles series on the 29th.

  78. MikeEff August 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    well i’m just as disgusted by not seeing nady as everyone else here. i wish there was even an explanation of girardi’s fascination with that loser betemit.

    giving him that last at-bat the other night was inexplicable—sure maybe sexson would have K’d as well-but isn’t that WHT they got sexson?

  79. chiggie August 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    TRADE BETEMIT? What the crap? The guy traded for the bats had more value. OH I got it, Betemit for Manny. Why didn’t cash think of that?

  80. DvAb August 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    ” Leo
    August 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
    Nady goes 2 for 3 last night with a homer but is out of the line up… i quit ”
    .
    EXACTLY and for who ?….WILSON ?…what a %&%&*^%* JOKE ! :-(

  81. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    “nady hit another homer for the yanks yesterday yet he sits today? it’s the stretch run, why is he not playing everyday?”

    he’s Xavier Nady.

    let me get this straight, a guy hits two HRs, but does nothing the rest of his at-bats, and he’s the greatest thing ever? i thought this was a Yankee Blog, not a Dave Kingman Appreciation blog.

    (i am in no way seriously comparing the two, btw)

  82. Andrew August 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    What’s the difference between Livan and Sidney? It’s not like Livan has given up 200 hits so far this year, almost 20 of them home runs, or anything. Other then that, though, yes sign him and Eric Gregg (RIP) to a joint contract in a heartbeat once the Twins DFA him.

  83. Coach Jay23 August 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    it was Molina’s fault the other night when Marte gave up the runs then right?? cause he didn’t know Marte. Come on now guys.

  84. pat August 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    “what number is Bay wearing?”

    44

  85. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    The Yankees have lost 24 of their last 39 games against the Angels. … The Angels are 37-19 on the road. To put that in some perspective, the Yankees are the only other team in the AL with a winning record on the road and they are 25-24.

    Someone needs to talk to Disney. Angels in the Outfield went out of style so long ago…

  86. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut August 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    I really wonder if Girardi works to put a worse team when he doesn’t like the pitcher. He has done this now with Kennedy, Hughes, Rasner and Ponson. The pattern is showing, crappy pitcher, crappy lineup compared to the full complement. It doesn’t make sense.

  87. Del From Heiroglyphics August 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    who nems their child Chone? What does that even mean.

  88. Redding August 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Betemit to Girardi is like Proctor is to Torre

    Cashman must get rid of him ASAP.

    If anything, Giambi should be benched, not Betemit.

  89. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    “Tonight’s game is over? Its only 4:11? Did they start it early or something?”

    The savior, Xavier Nady, once traded for Oliver Perez (i think), didn’t show up. Broadway’s going dark tonight.

    if Brett Gardner jumps off the GWB, i’m blaming all of you. you turned your back on poor Brett.

  90. Nigel August 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Someone needs to fart on Betemit’s pillow so he goes on the DL with pink eye again.

  91. djsunyc August 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    “let me get this straight, a guy hits two HRs, but does nothing the rest of his at-bats, and he’s the greatest thing ever? i thought this was a Yankee Blog, not a Dave Kingman Appreciation blog.”

    jorge steinbrenner = wilson betemit…

  92. ANSKY August 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    I was thinking (yeah I know .. hard to believe) although LA did real well in picking up Manny for virtually nothing for th rest of this season (and w/o commitment for next year) Boston actually did pretty well on the Manny trade. Here’s my thinking:

    Cost of getting Manny to play far below his own or Jason Bay’s ability: $7M for the rest of Manny’s ’08 salary.

    Cost of getting Jason Bay to play to the best of his ability: $7M for the rest of Manny’s ’08 salary, plus $2M for the rest of this year, $6M per for a year or so.

    Cost of getting Manny to play to the best of his ability: Pay him the rest of this year’s salary, plus pick up the option(s) or extending his contract to the tune of at $20M or more per.

    So getting Jason Bay for an additional $2M for this year was their only certain shot at having a guy play hard and with the team in mind. It saves them tons of headaches, removes any animosity from this round of Manny Being Butt Headed, and also saves them $14M next year. Bay’s no Manny at the plate, but he’s also no slouch … sounds to me like it was worth it for the Sox even if it was a little downgrade in terms of raw talent.

    Now, Manny will probably tear it up in LA because he knows he’s playing for a contract and he probably wants to make a statement to Boston. But that’s not necessarily how he would have played in Boston if he’d stayed. In fact, I’m sure he wouldn’t have played as well as he’s going to now under any conditions unless (until) he got his $100M extension. He actually bailed out on the Sox just as they started an important series against the Yanks. This is the biggest sports rivalry in the USA. Whether gutless or selfish or both, that attitude has no place on any team.

  93. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    “What’s the difference between Livan and Sidney?”

    a world series ring, a better track record, and maybe he’ll give us an “iloooveyoooo noooyorrrh!” moment in the end.

  94. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) August 1st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    I’m flabbergasted that Betemit is in this lineup.

    Seriously. The guy is a terrible baseball player, he’s not good defensively at 1b.

    It’s beyond explanation.

    You trade for Nady, you play him.

    I don’t get it. It’s infuriating to see the team put him in the lineup at all.

  95. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    You guys do realize, Betemit’s going to have a crazy game tonight with like two grand slams, just for kicks, right?

  96. Whitey Fraud August 1st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Pete’s watching the Doctor Who season finale, I bet.

  97. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    “jorge steinbrenner = wilson betemit…”

    that’s actually pretty funny. :)

    although maybe i should get to the batting cages before the game starts. don’t want to lower that .230, or whatever it is, average…

  98. NYY August 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    6 Shut out innings by Jeff Karstens against the cubs.

  99. RhapsodyInBlue August 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    A tribute to Manny from and created by Pinstripe Zac.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiSLSOi8Ok4

  100. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    “You guys do realize, Betemit’s going to have a crazy game tonight with like two grand slams, just for kicks, right?”

    you guys say something like this before every disappointing loss

  101. Coach Jay23 August 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Peter please ban the talk of Manny and the Redsox please put a filter on those words..haha

  102. mark August 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    of course we trade karstens and he shuts out the best offense in the NL

    and why is betemit on this team?

  103. CaptainsCorner August 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    I was just about to blast Girardi for sitting Nady. But the wfan just said that he has a sore quad. So that explains the move. With the Pirates he had alot of legs problems recently.

  104. jonathan August 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    just heard nady is day to day with a sore quad

  105. RhapsodyInBlue August 1st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Maybe striking out twice late in the game in the loss to the Orioles with risp and down by a run has earned Betimit another chance.

  106. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    “of course we trade karstens and he shuts out the best offense in the NL”

    he wasn’t exactly on the verge of winning 20 here. good for him.

  107. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    WTF TYPE OF A LINEUP IS THIS !

    YOU HAVE GIDP AND STRIKEOUTS COMBINED !!! :x

  108. Andrew August 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Spare me with Livan. I thought the idea was to try and improve the #5 spot over Ponson, and how does Livan circa 2008 do that? His World Series ring isn’t helping his WHIP or his ERA this year. His only moment in New York should be spent hanging out with El Duque, not starting for the Yankees.

  109. CTYankee August 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Nady or no Nady, Betimit still shouldn’t be playing.

  110. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    I am surprised Nady isn’t in the lineup tonight.

    But, when the posted lineup is complained about every night on here, I tend to tune out the complaints. Its about that, “crying wolf” type of thing.

    Just find a way to win tonight. That’s all I am looking for.

    I’m not smart enough to be able to predict the outcome of games just by seeing the lineup.

    I don’t think many folks thought Andy Pettitte would give up 2 three run homers in one inning as he did last night. Sometimes, stuff just happens in games.

    Just find a way to win tonight. If Wilson contributes, its a bonus.

  111. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Agree with all above:

    Betemit should not be in there and not batting in front of Pudge. He should be batting last.

    Giambi, with the switch against him, is killing us in 5 hole. Just tell him to bunt down 3rd base side and he’ll get a hit.

    Tell jeter, if he goes up to the plate thinking he might hit into a DP, to just strike out, as to not kill a rally!

    And remember, while we’re all depressed at the thought of not making the wild card, because of our puny hitting and unreliable starting pitching, “It’s not over till the fat lady sings.” Hopefully Ponson won’t be singing tonight!!

  112. Del From Heiroglyphics August 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    It was just brought to my attention that CHONE Figgins name is actually Shawn. In that Case Im naming my next child Krite…but its actually pronounced James

  113. LathamJoe August 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Betemit is a “dead red” hitter – when he hits at all- so Girardi is rolling the dice with him tonight.(sigh…How long before management realizes that Betemit is a waste of a roster spot!)

  114. pat August 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Coach Jay

    Because reading people whine about the line-up is more informative or constructive?

  115. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    “just heard nady is day to day with a sore quad”

    all of a sudden, the talk turns on a dime to “why did we trade for an injury-prone guy like that? didn’t we KNOW?!?!?!”

    this group is sometimes the perfect balance between smart folks and folks to make fun of. that guy who said Bronx Banter was better really doesn’t know what he’s missing.

  116. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    WHY DIDN’T WE JUST TRADE BETEMIT FOR KEPPINGER !! :evil:

  117. hmmm August 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    “just heard nady is day to day with a sore quad”

    wow, you mean after 100 posts just reaming Girardi for being an absolute idiot, there is actually a perfectly reasonable explanation?

    huh.

    keep up the whining though, it’s really not annoying or anything.

  118. Redding August 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Rhapsody -

    Betemit hit a momentum-changing single last night in the 9th inning. As a result, Girardi felt it was right to reward him for his heroics from last night.

    It is what have you done for me lately.

    Single vs. O’Day in 12-3 game > strikeout with winning runs on base in 7-6 game

  119. Del From Heiroglyphics August 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Better meat is pretty hard to watch. He’s good for at least 2 k’s a game.

  120. Chris N. August 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    It kind of annoys me how badly Pete really has it in for Ponson. Not saying he has been great but the statistics he references are always chosen to accentuate the bad ie picking the sample that number of starts that yields the worst numbers. Never see him cite similar statistics for Rasner even though they exist and he always gives Rasner the “that’s about all you can ask from him” treatment. Bottom line is 3 out of 5 of Ponson’s starts with the Yankees have been quality. That’s not an amazing percentage but frankly, that’s about all you can ask from him.

  121. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    IF that comment about nady and the quad is inncaurate another reason for betemit starting may be.. Girardi for some reason thinks Gimbi’s bat is more valauble then Nady but because Giambi is a big lug and cannot play the field everyday he is DH’ing him today…I am not saying having Giambi’s clutch(joke) bat in the lineup should be paramount but maybe…

    Betemit has a 270 OBP…He is one soft dude… He is 27 and has never ever come close to expectations….

  122. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    “Nady or no Nady, Betimit still shouldn’t be playing.”

    exactly.

    id rather see Christian

  123. kill.schil(ing) August 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Has anyone seen Nady play 1B by the way? Is he any good? I can’t fathom he could be much worse than Betemit.

    But then I did see Sheffield play there too. It didn’t get much worse than that.

  124. Frank B August 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    I have been to two games this week, both of them without Nady… I am leaving for the stadium right now, i am sitting behind the yankees dugout, so I will let you know what Joe says when I yell at him to get Wilson Betemit out of this lineup. I thought we got nady for a reason…

  125. Jorge Tabata August 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Aceves or Kennedy for Ponson’s next start?

  126. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    I’m sorry but for the sake of science I feel I must address Pete’s comment:

    “One can only assume that this is do-or-die time for Ponson. His last eight starts, going back to his time in Texas, have been pretty awful. Ponson has pitched 42.2 innings, allowing 67 hits and 18 walks. His ERA is 6.12 and opponents have hit .368 against him.”

    1. Assuming makes an ass out of someone. It appears you and others assumed Sidney’s last start was also his last. Wishing doesn’t make it so.

    2. His last eight starts have been pretty awful? First of all I have no idea why you’d go back to his time with Texas seeing the organization obviously took into account his time with Texas before they got him. Plus he was considered to have done pretty well in Texas. But as long as we’re going to be “selective” in picking the starts to go back to, I’ll go back to his last 6 and pick up the last one in Texas, where he pitched 8 innings and gave up 2 runs. DREADFUL! Or the start after that where he pitched 6 innings and gave up 0 runs. HIDEOUS! And maybe I’ll look at the outing where he pitched 6 innings against our division leader and gave up 1 run. KILL HIM NOW! And finally I think I’ll point to the game where he pitched 5.2 innings and gave up 3 runs. OUTRAGEOUS!

    Isn’t it easy to distort information and bunch it all together to give a FALSE impression about reality?
    For example, to talk about someone’s ERA over 8 games when 2 of those 8 games had a lot of ER and then to use that as part of aggregate stats to try to persuade people to your side, to me, is unconscionable.

    So no, the truth of the matter is that Ponson’s last 8 outings have NOT been “pretty awful.”

    If Ponson goes long enough without getting the job done the organization will do something about it, and it will be time for them to do something about it. I have no difficulty with that whatsoever. But I do have great difficulty with either Pete or posters working out their dislike of any player by trying to say that something is the case when clearly it is not. Sidney may not have stopped the presses with his pitching, but he sure as hell kept the Yankees in the majority of games he has pitched for them – and gee, hasn’t he done at least what you want from a back-of-the-rotation starter?

    That’s a yes to me.

    Here’s another clue for all of you before tonight’s game. There are certain pitchers who are owned by certain teams, just as there are certain pitchers who own certain teams. Surely you’ve heard of this phenomenon before? Well you all made sure to point out the fact that Sidney has not had an easy time with Boston. So the last game was no exception.

    But I’m sure you’ll be judging him on a very high standard tonight seeing that all of the Yankee pitchers have a record of being Angel killers, correct?

  127. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    “Spare me with Livan. I thought the idea was to try and improve the #5 spot over Ponson, and how does Livan circa 2008 do that? His World Series ring isn’t helping his WHIP or his ERA this year. His only moment in New York should be spent hanging out with El Duque, not starting for the Yankees.”

    i love it when folks starts quoting WHIP at me. i really didn’t realize so many folks here worked for Bill James.

    agree with SJ on Betemit. He’s good enough to be on the 25 man roster for the New York Yankees all year long. therefore, he should play.

  128. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Aceves

  129. JB August 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    How dare you, SJ44, this is no place for logic and common sense, take that drivel somewhere else!

  130. kill.schil(ing) August 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    “A sore quad”? That means he’s going on the DL tomorrow.

  131. Coach Jay23 August 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Yes it is this is a Yankee blog not a Manny one or Redsox, who cares what Manny is doing in LAD or what # Bay is wearing who cares. I do care more about whos batting where and why than that junk call me a Yankee fan and i am sorry for caring more bout them than the other stuff

  132. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    hmmm –

    Joe Girardi is clearly at fault for Nady’s sore quad, Betemit’s hitting and Global Warming.

    It is about time you wise up mister!

    :)

  133. hmmm August 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    “Nady or no Nady, Betimit still shouldn’t be playing.”

    why not?

    if Nady is out, who should play, Sexson? give me a break.

    this is complaining for the sake of complaining.

  134. kill.schil(ing) August 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Day-to-day in Yankees-speak means a player is destined for at least a 15-day stint on the DL.

  135. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Whoa. Since when does X have a bum quad?

  136. Andrew August 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    I just hope Nady can play again this weekend, his bat missing takes away that whole “deep lineup” thing they had going for all of what, one game.

  137. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    “Aceves or Kennedy for Ponson’s next start?”

    with those two as my choices, i’d go with Aceves out of sheer curiosity and the fact that IPK’s screwed no matter what he does right now.

    let’s just leave Phil and IPK in Scranton for now, please?

  138. Marcus August 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....atsId=6986

  139. hmmm August 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    ““A sore quad”? That means he’s going on the DL tomorrow.”

    man, we better hope not.

    for the record, before they said he had a sore quad, you had the only decent arguement in this ridiculous thread.

    i think Girardi does have a weakness for righty/lefty matchups, it just wasn’t the case tonight.

  140. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    “if Nady is out, who should play, Sexson? give me a break.

    this is complaining for the sake of complaining.”

    Christian

  141. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Is it too much to hope that Bruney doesn’t need to pitch tonight?

  142. Andrew August 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Wait, are you serious? WHIP isn’t exactly an obscure or B.S. statistic to be using to evaluate a pitcher, professor. And I’m quoting it “at you” considering for some reason you have a man-crush on a garbage pitcher who would make Yankees fans wish for Sidney to come back through the clubhouse door.

  143. hmmm August 1st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    “i love it when folks starts quoting WHIP at me. i really didn’t realize so many folks here worked for Bill James.”

    uhh, WHIP is a pretty basic stat. it has nothing to do with Bill James.

    it’s no more complicated than RBI.

  144. Tank August 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    If Nady does indeed go on the DL (or if hes out for a couple more days), Pete will scold the liar Girardi.

  145. k August 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    wow, congrats to 90% of the people here for being whiny retards.

  146. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    “Wait, are you serious? WHIP isn’t exactly an obscure or B.S. statistic to be using to evaluate a pitcher, professor. And I’m quoting it “at you” considering for some reason you have a man-crush on a garbage pitcher who would make Yankees fans wish for Sidney to come back through the clubhouse door.”

    perhaps it is, perhaps it isn’t. what it definitely is is a cheap way to make folks who post on comment sections on blogs sound a bit smarter than they actually are.

    apparantly, this mystical WHIP involves a crystal ball as well.

  147. Patrick â„¢ August 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Hopefully X is okay. Glad to see Bruney back but I’m hoping Melancon gets a chance fairly soon.

    Ponson sucks, if I were Cashman I’d DFA him immediately. All of his “good” outings were mostly due to luck. I’d much rather give Kennedy a try. I can live with Rasner for now but hopefully we can upgrade his spot as well.

  148. k August 1st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    yikes, you all look really stupid now.

  149. hmmm August 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    “Christian”

    Betemit is a better hitter than Justin Christian.

    it is hilarious watching the people on this blog just base their entire opinions of players on their last 10 ABs.

    it happens ALL season.

    Giambi sucks, then its Girardi is an idiot for not playing Giambi enough.

    Damon sucks, then he’s good again.

    Jeter should be dropped in the lineup.

    Abreu sucks.

    Gardner is awesome and Cashman is an idiot for not calling him up. then Gardner sucks.

    Justin Christian is a 28 year old with 25 big league ABs.

    the fact that some of you are indicting Girardi for not playing him is beyond laughable.

  150. Michelle August 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    torii hunter is out for the rest of the series..he went home to attend a funeral..

  151. Redding August 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Betemit – 38 Ks/4 walks in 57 games with a .248 average

    Christian – 1 K/3 walks in 14 games with a .280 average and has 4 steals.

  152. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    “All of his “good” outings were mostly due to luck.”

    Patrick that’s really a scientific statement that you can easily back up, right?

    If Sidney gets out of a jam, it’s luck, when one of our other pitchers get out of a jam, it’s because they’re good under pressure.

    Geesh.

  153. Patrick â„¢ August 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    “perhaps it is, perhaps it isn’t. what it definitely is is a cheap way to make folks who post on comment sections on blogs sound a bit smarter than they actually are.

    apparantly, this mystical WHIP involves a crystal ball as well.”

    What in the hell are you talking about? WHIP isn’t some complex stat, its walks and hits per innings pitched. Thats just a combination of walks per nine and hits per nine. Its not like you need a doctorate in Sabremetrics or something to understand WHIP.

    Ponson walks a lot of batters and he allows a lot of hits. WHIP is just quantifying exactly how many of each he allows.

  154. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Don’t confuse me with your Batting Average statistical mumbo-jumbo :)

  155. ZMAN7777 August 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    What’s that saying about our starting pitching: Mussina and Joba, and pray that the opposing pitcher has an off night.

  156. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    “torii hunter is out for the rest of the series..he went home to attend a funeral..”

    I’m sad for Torii but relieved for us. Maybe we can hit some balls into the outfield that won’t be caught!

  157. Jorge Tabata August 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    I really am hoping for a Jerome from Manhattan call soon, blasting Cashman for not “making the pitcher from Seattle”.

  158. Sigmund August 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Thanks to all of you — with an extra thanks to Nigel for the “Knocked Up” reference — for cracking me up on a lame Friday afternoon at work. Read from top to bottom, these first 100 posts are like some sort of genius crazy blank-verse poetry. Funny as all hell. Also, I admit, funny because I sort of agree with a good many of of them, even the most outré ones, but am a bit hesitant to just expose my irrational fears, even under the guise of a blog handle. Oh, yeah: Go Yanks. I hold out hope, but not extreme confidence, for the game.

  159. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    “uhh, WHIP is a pretty basic stat. it has nothing to do with Bill James. it’s no more complicated than RBI.”

    i’m not arguing that. i just think too many exchanges here go like this….

    “wow, Rasner just went six innings and gave up two runs. gutsy start!”

    “yeah, but his WHIP was 3.563712! he sucks!”

    i hate to say it but, at the risk of sounding like an old man in his…..mid 30′s, the stats i still attention to most are the ones which used to be on the backof my Topps baseball cards. doesn’t make me any less knowledgable a fan. doesn’t make me enjoy the game any less.

    enjoy the game we already seem to have lostm, folks. and, Nady willing, get home safely..

  160. hmmm August 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    “Christian – 1 K/3 walks in 14 games with a .280 average and has 4 steals.”

    if you think this means ANYTHING you should probably just throw your computer out a window.

  161. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Christian so far has got up and produced something other then strike outs.

    Betemit has done nothing but be a 0 tool player. He’s a waste of space.

  162. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    “wow, congrats to 90% of the people here for being whiny retards.”

    I am going to strongly hope that I am considered to be in the remaining 10% and say that it is one of the few times that being in the minority is actually a comforting thought.

  163. j August 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    “Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn’t?”

    What is wrong with you? WHIP is a very, very basic stat. It’s WALKS+HITS/IP. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SABRMETRICS ALERT

  164. Patrick â„¢ August 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    trisha,

    Just look at his stat lines for each of his better outings:

    6 innings, 5 hits, 4 walks, 0 runs
    6 innings, 5 hits, 2 walks, 1 run
    5.2 innings, 9 hits, 2 walks, 3 runs

    That is a ton of baserunners and better hitting teams will take advantage of that and DESTROY him as we saw with Texas and Boston. Ponson just isn’t a very good pitcher.

  165. Andrew August 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Okay, so if WHIP is cheap, what then do you consider the Rollys Royce of statistics used when evaluating a pitcher, oh all-knowing and wise one?

    Apparently, my baseball intellect is far, far inferior to yours as evidenced by my having to reach for mystical crystal-ball statistics to make a point that I shouldn’t even have to try making. Here, since apparently you are king of old school baseball and poo-poo on Bill James and these “fancy statistics”, is some simple math. Livan = Ponson. Rasner > Livan. Livan – Aceves + Kennedy = Maybe. Yankees + Livan + Aceves + Kennedy = Pointless.

  166. ZMAN7777 August 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    I have to agree with Pete that this is Sidney’s last call. If he gets hit hard tonight, it’s IPK Redux . . . also known as the Dark Night.

  167. kill.schil(ing) August 1st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Thank you, Hmmn. I hope Nady is fine too.

    My hyperbole about his being destined for the DL was intended to satirize Yankees-speak, something that recently has morphed into a distant cousin of Orwellian Newsspeak.

    I think the formula to ascertain the truth is to increase the severity of every injury the Yankees announce by 50%.

  168. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    “Ponson walks a lot of batters and he allows a lot of hits. WHIP is just quantifying exactly how many of each he allows.”

    …and, if he gets out of the inning without any damage, that’s where this “luck” stat comes in?

  169. hmmm August 1st, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    “i hate to say it but, at the risk of sounding like an old man in his…..mid 30’s, the stats i still attention to most are the ones which used to be on the backof my Topps baseball cards. doesn’t make me any less knowledgable a fan. doesn’t make me enjoy the game any less. ”

    ok, but WHIP is one of those simple stats:

    Walks + HITS / innings

    all on the back of the baseball card.

    it’s not WARP or VORP or RCAA or FIP…

    it’s WHIP.

    it tells you how many baserunners a pitcher allows. high is bad, low is good.

    you may have a point about how people use stats, but this isn’t really a good example. WHIP is about as basic as it gets.

  170. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    “Okay, so if WHIP is cheap, what then do you consider the Rollys Royce of statistics used when evaluating a pitcher, oh all-knowing and wise one?”

    didn’t say i was wise. i just enjoy the game. that’s why i can sit here and laugh at people who think the season’s over when one guy’s not in the lineup.

    i see i hit a nerve. :)

  171. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    hmmm

    You forgot to list how so many posters were jonesing for Gonzalez and wanted to kill Betemit and Ensberg to get him up here, loved him for one or two games, and then spent the rest of the time talking about how much he sucked and how they wanted him sent back down.

  172. Andrew August 1st, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Oh also, my money is on the fact that Topps prints WHIP on the back of baseball cards now. I have no way of knowing if this is true or not since I haven’t bought a pack of cards since I was probably 10, but that stat is everywhere. But, I’m sick of looking at the phrase WHIP for now, so I’m done.

  173. Jorge Steinbrenner August 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    “you may have a point about how people use stats, but this isn’t really a good example. WHIP is about as basic as it gets.”

    didn’t say the stat was useless. i do think you get what i was trying to get at.

    enjoy the game.

  174. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Do Not Sign Livan Hernandez Cashman !

  175. Tank August 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Betemit is kind of like the position-player equivalent of Chris Britton

  176. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Quoting Betemit vs. Christian stats really make you look dumb.

    You are quoting stats from a guy who has played 1/4 of the games to the person you are comparing him to. Are you serious?

    Wilson is not a great hitter. However, he is a better hitter than a guy who has been a career minor league player with little or no power.

    Patrick, this is no indictment to you or other folks who properly use stats when discussing players.

    Its stat quoting like Betemit vs. Christian that drives me nuts.

    There are only a handful of people on this blog, Hmmm, Patrick, and CB to name 3, that actually know how to correctly apply stats to a discussion.

    The rest just quote stats out of their butts as if its a be all end all argument when discussing players. Incorrectly using stats to bolster arguments doesn’t make you look smart in discussing the game.

    Wilson Betemit is a better major league hitter than Justin Christian. Melky Cabrera is a better major league hitter than Justin Christian.

    There are reasons why those guys are in the lineup over Christian. They are better players.

    You may not like it or you may have a hard time handling the fact this isn’t PlayStation. However, there isn’t a manager in the game who would play Christian over either Betemit or Cabrera.

  177. saucY August 1st, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    WHIP is also a default stat in most fantasy leagues… not that that really adds anything to this arguement….

  178. ZMAN7777 August 1st, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    I’m no fan of Sexson, but he does have 3HR versus Santana, albeit not a high average. Perhaps he should be at first tonight.

  179. dude August 1st, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    I thought Bruney wasn’t ready to come back?

  180. hmmm August 1st, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    “You forgot to list how so many posters were jonesing for Gonzalez and wanted to kill Betemit and Ensberg to get him up here, loved him for one or two games, and then spent the rest of the time talking about how much he sucked and how they wanted him sent back down.”

    don’t forget Shelley Duncan in the beginning of the season.

    and also the hundreds of posts discussing how stupid the Yankees were for holding onto Moeller.

    but the Brett Gardner campaign takes the cake. it was literally all anyone bitched about for an entire month. then he came up and was terrible.

    i like Gardner and would like to see him on the bench next year, but you literally would have thought Cashman was holding Rickey Henderson back in AAA if you read any random thread during the month of June.

  181. ASH August 1st, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    No Livan Hernandez…I want to give kennedy another couple starts, I think with the failure in the beginning of the season, combined with the fact that all he has to do is pitch better than Rasner/Ponson, he will feel less pressure, be more relaxed, and therefore have better outcomes.

  182. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    DO NOT SIGN LIVAN, RESIST THE TEMPTATION CASH !!!

  183. Michelle August 1st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    you know i wrote that about torii hunter cuz i heard it this morning on espn, i think and now i cant find it anywhere… so i might be wrong and i apologize if i am.

  184. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    “DO NOT SIGN LIVAN, RESIST THE TEMPTATION CASH !!! ”

    oh no..

  185. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    SJ: Way to make me feel real good =P (i don’t use stats often, I admit, because numbers throw me)

    This was fun to read:

    Baltimore Orioles 20 (21) Orioles 51-56 Daniel Cabrera has recorded nearly half (three) of his seven total wins this season against the Yankees.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/powerranking

  186. ZMAN7777 August 1st, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Livan and Ponson are comparable, so why bother?

  187. Tank August 1st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Livan and Ponson both eat more than just innings… (except in Ponson’s case, he doesn’t even eat innings)

  188. ZMAN7777 August 1st, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Sidney can drink him under the table though.

  189. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Patrick, when any of our back-of-the-rotation pitchers goes 6 innings and gives up say 3 ER or less, Pete as well as the YES announcers will say something to the effect of: 6 innings, 3 runs, I’ll take that all the time. But when it comes to Pete, all bets are off because it’s Sidney.

    Look at it this way. Coming to pitch for the Yankees is always a guaranteed horror show for a “new” pitcher. We never know how someone from outside of the system is going to perform. So here’s a guy who was able to overcome any nerves enough to give you the most important thing of all in the games where he helped us. Low ER. It doesn’t matter a flippin whit if he gave up 523 hits in the process. If he walks out of there with 0 ER, 1 ER, 2 ER, you absolutely tip your cap and say good going!

    I am not saying Sidney is going to last X more games. But I knew he wasn’t getting dumped after the Boston start. You never would have known it if you took the pulse on this forum. People here are bridge jumpers by nature. I tip my cap to the rational few who weren’t ready to finish off their liquor cabinets or kill their firstborn because he had a bad outing against Boston!

    I will continue to say that he has done exactly what the Yankees have asked of him in more games than not since he’s been here. I of course hope that he does a great job tonight. I wish Molina were catching his start only because this start is being looked at on the same level as Game 7 of the World Series by the less lucid members of this forum. In any event, his success is the Yankees success, so we all of course should hope he kicks butt and takes numbers.

    That’s my opinion, certainly not a popular one, but nevertheless one that seems to be in keeping with the balance afforded by the Yankee organization.

  190. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Joe and Evan are lobbying for Fat Hernandez to land in NY as long as it ain’t the Bronx I don’t care.

    DO NOT SIGN LIVAN !

  191. Patrick â„¢ August 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    “There are only a handful of people on this blog, Hmmm, Patrick, and CB to name 3, that actually know how to correctly apply stats to a discussion.”

    Thanks SJ but I think hmmm, CB and whozat are far more knowledgable than me in this subject.

    I agree its silly to compare Betemit’s and Christian’s stats.

  192. ZMAN7777 August 1st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Trisha — Ponson has pitched for the Yankees before; it’s not his first stint in pinstripes. He knows the drill. He’s not a deer in the headlights like Eddie Lee Whitson, I’ll give him that.

  193. Andrew August 1st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Livan, Sidney and Britton on the Yankees in one year? The Yankees are the new #1 destination for mediocre overweight right-handers. Can anyone get Rich Garces on the phone?

  194. back bench August 1st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Folks have noted that IPK’s performance this year has knocked the value of the Yankee’s farm system down a few pegs. Does Karsten’s performance against the Cubs do the opposite?

    Does this help make our trade offers stronger?

  195. Patrick â„¢ August 1st, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    trisha,

    My point is the stats (oh god no not stats!) suggest that Ponson will not continue to give 6 innings, 3 ER. He gives up way too many baserunners and against good hitting teams like the Sox and Rangers he’s gotten slammed.

  196. ZMAN7777 August 1st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    I think Karstens needs to string together a few solid outings before we declare him a real loss. As I recall, he was pretty poor when he pitched last year (before the injury.).

  197. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    ZMANN, you had to catch that! :) I thought about it when I posted it but went with it anyway. Yes, Sidney has been here before.

    “…and, if he gets out of the inning without any damage, that’s where this “luck” stat comes in?”

    He he he he he. I love that Jorge. Thanks.

  198. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Ian Kennedy
    Chase Wright
    Alfredo Aceves >>>>>>>

    before Livan

  199. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    back bench: Got to give Karstens a few more starts before worrying about that.

    Hypothetically, though, it’s good for us as long as X and Marte come through.

  200. JR Yankees August 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Love the line:’He [Karstens] also got two sacrifices down, which makes him a better hitter than Betemit.’

    That was some classic stuff right there.

    C’mon Yankees, let’s put a winning streak together (starting tomorrow of course).

    Seriously though, we have a chance tonight…I think we will all be surprised with Ponson tonight.

  201. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Patrick, I gave him an absolutely pass before he threw one pitch to the Rangers because it was his former team. Truth. He didn’t leave on great terms and I figured it was possible that his emotions might affect him.

    The Boston start was awful. But it appears that Boston has owned him in the past.

  202. ZMAN7777 August 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    Patrick — you’re absolutely right. Ponson is fine against the Oaklands and Torontos of the world, but not against potent offenses.

  203. Del From Heiroglyphics August 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    I actually recall karstens pitching a good game for the yankees in one of his first starts against the angels

  204. Chris N. August 1st, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Pitching aside, how can anyone not like Ponson the character. The guy’s like a cross between Giambi and Manny Ramirez. Sure as hell more entertaining then the other options out there.

  205. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    it was against Seattle he never faced the Angels and lived to tell about it. If anything Karsten’s good start should allow Chase Wright a 2nd chance he’s been pitching better and should have been promoted before the injury.

  206. Yazman (David) August 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    RE: Abreu

    Heard Mike F. saying his fielding was a non-issue (just an average OF but lousy near the wall).

    Found this at Baseball Analysts:

    http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2008/07/

  207. ZMAN7777 August 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    He also has the benefit of low expectations. When he does well, everyone feels like he’s defying some natural law.

  208. Yazman (David) August 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Here’s the section:

    Best and Worst Fielders

    The subtitle there is a bit of a misnomer, as you’d like to have more than one year of data to truly determine the best and worst fielders. But here are the top 20 fielders so far in 2008, ranked in order of runs saved above average (these aren’t per 150 innings or anything, by the way – this is the player’s total so far):

    Utley, Phi 25.0
    Rolen, Tor 23.8
    Beltre, Sea 21.8
    Ellis, Oak 18.3
    Hardy, Mil 17.5
    Escobar, Atl 17.4
    Giles, SD 16.9
    Jones, Atl 16.5
    Fukudome, Chi 15.5
    Hannahan, Oak 14.9
    Kennedy, Stl 14.9
    Berkman, Hou 13.9
    Winn, SF 13.2
    Anderson, CHA 13.1
    Votto, Cin 12.9
    Rios, Tor 12.7
    Gutierrez, Cle 11.5
    Pujols, Stl 11.5
    Helton, Col 11.3
    Figgins, LAA 11.1
    And how about the trailers:

    Abreu, NYA -27.5
    Wells, Tor -21.9
    Jacobs, Fla -17.9
    Encarnacion,Cin -15.9
    Hawpe, Col -15.5
    McLouth, Pit -15.3
    Griffey Jr, Cin -15.1
    Mora, Bal -14.8
    Blake, Cle -14.6
    Crosby, Oak -14.6
    Ramirez, Bos -14.1
    Betancourt, Sea -13.3
    Ordonez, Det -13.3
    Lamb, Min -12.6
    Easley, NYN -12.5
    Hermida, Fla -12.5
    Quentin, CHA -12.1
    Cantu, Tor -12.1
    Castillo, NYM -12.0
    Kinsler, Tex -11.8

  209. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    eww look at that pic of Manny and Torre on MLB.com :(

  210. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Another thing I have always absolutely refused to do, only because there is no way to judge accuracy when you do it, is to transfer what a player does somewhere else and consider it to be any kind of unequivocal indication of what he would be doing in the Bronx. Is it possible that Karstens would be pitching lights out in the Bronx if he pitches lights out for the Pirates? It’s possible. Is it also possible that he would be stinking to high heavens in the Bronx despite how he is pitching for the Pirates? As I have said before, the highways are littered with Yankee programs with the names of pitchers who were supposed to be the second coming who turned into the 7th sign once they hit the Bronx!

    If Karstens pitching 20 no hitters in a row it doesn’t mean he would have done the same thing in the Bronx.

  211. Mark Alan August 1st, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Well, Jeff Karstens just beat the Chicago Cubs with six scoreless innings. Pitching tonight for the Yankees, Sidney Bleepin’ Ponson.

    Still, I like the trade.

  212. Andrew August 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Wow Vlad has taken Sidney deep 4 times in his career (sorry about the stats guys LOL)–hope Pudge puts down the 4 fingers sign on that one.

  213. Ron Santo August 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Karstens? yeah, everyone does better against NL teams. I hate to say this as a Yankee Fan, but with Ponson painting and picking away he`ll walk a few and give up a few hits and the Angels are good for 6 runs in the first 7 innings

  214. Pepitone August 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Karstens shutting out the Cubs…HA!

    Gives you a pretty good idea of how good the Cubs are. They will be one and done if they make the playoffs.

  215. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Pudge catching Ponson tonight should be interesting, if Sidney doesn’t locate Pudge usually throws a fastball back at you.

  216. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Brandon: That picture…uhh…

  217. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 1st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Leaving up to Joe re: Manny’s hair.

    Any bets on a picture of Joe with his arms around Manny kissing him.

  218. ZMAN7777 August 1st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Even with Manny in L.A., I still believe Arizona will hold on in the NL West.

  219. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    So what’s the over/under on the amount of innings Sirr Sidney goes before giving up a run?

  220. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Brandon: That picture…uhh…

    I know too happy

  221. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 1st, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Wow I just looked Andruw Jones is hitting .163!! I goes mlb policy really affected him. hint hint. This started last year, and the Dodgers GM is blaming a new place.

  222. ZMAN7777 August 1st, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    For some strange reason, I see Ponson only giving up 3 runs in 5+ innings tonight.

  223. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Over/Under I finish a bottle before the end of the game ?

  224. mel August 1st, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Brandon,

    Is it the one from an All-Star game a long time ago? I don’t know if it was the hug, Manny’s geri curls, or Manny’s diamond stud.

    It was pretty disturbing. Maybe it was that Manny was a Red Sock. :)

  225. Jorge Tabata August 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Why not just start Giese tonight? Can’t be worse than Ponson.

  226. Bobby August 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Anyone know exactly how long XMan is out? Here’s praying for Sir Sidney…

  227. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    I really see no reason to DFA Ponson after the Boston start. He is obviously going to do give up the game every start. There is no reason to put him out there day after day.
    Lets put Aceves and Kennedy in if we are expecting a blowout that needs a bullpen save by the 5th inning. At least we get theses guys some ML work.

  228. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    no reason not to*

  229. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Brandon: que estas bebindo? Vino? Tequilla? Cerveza? :-P

  230. Yazman (David) August 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Interesting, they have a .796 OPS against Sir Sid and we have an .813 OPS against Santana.

  231. DvAb August 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    Perfect scenario for both games that Pontoon and Razz start….Starter gets ROCKED and out of the game early…bullpen comes in and does a great job….Yankees bats are on fire and each time an emotional come from behind victory is ours….then after the game, each starting pitcher is either DFA’d, sent down to the minors or traded to the Japanese league for a set of matching sake glasses.

  232. Rebecca August 1st, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    I think the over/under for Sidney’s first run should be two outs. I’ll take under.

  233. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    ill go under on that

  234. Vrsce August 1st, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Rebecca
    Where is your handle? It is much better without one that may cast a pall of bad luck.

  235. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    “Ponson is fine against the Oaklands and Torontos of the world, but not against potent offenses.”

    Hmmm. I think you really need to do a little research before you make this statement. This season he allowed 1 ER, in two separate games, to the team with the 4th highest average potent in the AL. He didn’t fare against quite as well against Oakland.

    This lets me know you have an issue with Ponson and it has nothing to do in any overall sense with the way he has pitched this season. That’s your right.

    I’m always happy to discuss issues when people are being as fair and objective as they can be and are dealing with actual stats. But when it comes to misquoting things just to make a point then it makes no sense to continue the discussion.

    Que sera sera.

    GO YANKEES!

  236. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    Over.

    Just because someone has to.

  237. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    VRSCE: The one posting without a handle wasn’t me.

  238. ZMAN7777 August 1st, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    An issue with Ponson? No, he’s grade A. I’d still rather see him against Oakland. Frankly, I’d rather see anyone pitch against Oakland.

  239. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Well if Sidney gets rocked by the Angels (not that I am predicting that mind you) he’ll fit it well with the other Yankee pitchers won’t he.

  240. Lampchop Louie August 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    Betemit will be the cause of 2 guys throwing a net over me and taking me to Bellevue.
    What keeps this bum on the roster ?

  241. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    The Angels are like a steamroller right now.

    Here’s hoping.

  242. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    Rebecca Brugal o Vino para hoy

  243. Vrsce August 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    There is only one Rebecca and the Optimist Prime is unique as well as being good luck.
    Predictive add ons are scary, because they are rarely correct; but that is just my superstitious view. Sort of like the Sports Illustrated Cover curse

  244. DvAb August 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Ponson, ERA 4.59, WHIP 1.66
    Rasner, ERA 4.92, WHIP 1.53
    .
    Can anyone tell me how these 2 guys do NOT stink ?
    .
    Now we KNOW that these slugs stink AND that IPK and Hughes have so far shown to be both AAAA pitchers and injury prone,…right ?….So time to either make a move for a #4 and #5 starter…OR bring up Aceves and someone ELSE to see if they can become the next Aaron Small. ( and the 1st person that mentions anyone that has a last name that starts with either I or P, I am going to slap you in your “virtual” face ) :-)

  245. Pepitone August 1st, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    If Ponson can get passed the first inning without giving up 8 runs, the Yanks have a chance.

  246. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    The Yankees have lost 24 of their last 39 games against the Angels. … The Angels are 37-19 on the road. To put that in some perspective, the Yankees are the only other team in the AL with a winning record on the road and they are 25-24.

    Still I don’t think they are anywhere near as scary as when Figgins was hitting up a storm and Eckstein was on the team. And Glaus and Erdstad.

  247. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Brandon: Que tipo de vino?

    VRSCE: Only one Rebecca? Nah…

  248. noodles August 1st, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    I thought the only reason betemit was playing was so the yanks could shop him around to other teams. i was hoping he wouldnt get much playing time after the deadline…

  249. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Rebecca: No se todavias

  250. Buzz August 1st, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Wang is officially out for the whole year too bad

  251. Buzz August 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Over or under 5 runs allow for ponson

  252. LathamJoe August 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    A news item to ponder:
    “Yanks sign Victor Zambrano to a Minor League Deal”.
    The new Sidney Ponson?

  253. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    what?

  254. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    hasta luego LOHUD, (sali) :)

  255. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    BOS will move Lowell into Manny’s old spot. Ortiz will be walking a lot tonight. He shouldn’t even bother going into the batter’s box. He should just leave the dugout and go right to first base.

  256. vin August 1st, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    “Still I don’t think they are anywhere near as scary as when Figgins was hitting up a storm and Eckstein was on the team. And Glaus and Erdstad.”

    Don’t forget Adam Kennedy… he turned into Ted Williams every time he faced NYY.

  257. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    Better Wang out than rushed.

    Brandon: Debes probar los vinos rose. :)

  258. Vince Black August 1st, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Brandon

    Over/Under I finish a bottle before the end of the game ?

    I’m thinking before the Yankees come to bat.

  259. Michael T August 1st, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    As we await the game here is a nice article to ponder, regarding some leading-edge fielding stats.

    http://baseballanalysts.com/ar.....efen_1.php

    It confirms what my eyes tell me: that the Yankees have cost themselves several games this year on defense. According to this methodology, the Yankees defense has collectively cost them 49 runs relative to an average team. That is probably an 8-10 game swing.

    The worst offender by far is Bobby Abreue, who accoounts for over half of that himself by rating the worst defender in baseball at -27 runs. I doubt that he is much better than a few runs on offense so the Yanks are essentially paying him $16 million to be worst than average all things considered.

    Other notables from the full spreadsheet attached which has data on every player.

    -Damon is the only defender on the team meaningfully above average (as an LF)

    - Jeter really hasn’t been that bad, actually a few runs positive

    - Giambi is indeed awful, but as I’ve argued here before it is hard to do that much damage on D as a firstbaseman. As bad as he is (-9.8 runs) he more than makes up for this relative to having a good field/no hit 1B like Minky or (god forbid) trotting out Andy Phillips or Miguel Cairo there.

    - Cano is only modestly positive which doesn’t synch with my observations as he seems to get to lots of balls.

  260. Jorge Tabata August 1st, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    I predict we will see 3 pitchers in the game today

    Ponson
    Giese
    Bruney

  261. back bench August 1st, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    LoDucca to the scrap heap according to the Washington Post.

    “The Nationals have decided to release both Felipe Lopez and Paul Lo Duca and replace them with Emilio Bonifacio and Elijah Dukes.”

  262. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    Buzz-Where did you hear Wang out for year?

    Anyone know what surgery was done on Posada’s shoulder-just torn labrum or rotator cuff too?

    What a collection of retreads-We have Eric Milton and Victor Zambrano. Who comes up 1st? Kennedy, Aceves, Milton?

  263. luis August 1st, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    get livan hernandez

  264. Michael T August 1st, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    Yankee Trader-

    And don’t forget we also have Sir Sidney and Rasner in the ML rotation, two guys who were cut respectively by the pitching-stocked Nationals and Rangers.

  265. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Jorge-

    Are you sure Bruney was called up-don’t see him on active roster?

  266. Buzz August 1st, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    “Buzz-Where did you hear Wang out for year?”
    Giardi said there is no chance wang will pitch this season

  267. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Michael T

    Thanks for reminding me-I was trying to forget them.

  268. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    when? link? pete?

  269. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    vin -

    Oh yeah. Adam Kennedy. Yikes.

    Here’s is what I am wondering. What accouts for the re-emergence of the Angels? They were like a one-year wonder. Why again now?

  270. Buzz August 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    According to micheal kay giardi said wang will be out for the whole season

  271. bavd in reverse August 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    ignore the trolls

  272. bavd in reverse August 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    Buzz = troll,,,,,book it, Dan-0 ! ;-)

  273. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Trisha
    Pitching-emergence Saunders and Santana
    Good contact hitters
    Torii Hunter
    Good defense
    Great closer

  274. Montclair August 1st, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Betemit is a grade A butcher. He only K’s and his defense is terrible. He should be the 24th man. Not a 1b starter.

  275. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    I heard Kay say that too about Wang. :(

  276. pete August 1st, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    EDWAR RAMIREZ will prove once again tonight that the angels made a huge mistake by releasing him twice.

  277. Buzz August 1st, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    sign livan herandez?

  278. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    Feel sorry for Joe Torre.

    No DH.

    6 outfielders Ethier, Pierre, Jones, Kemp, Young and
    Manny for 3 spots.

    Scott Boras agent for both Andruw Jones and Manny Ramirez, will want them both playing.

    Players in Boston wanted Manny to leave.

    Manny selfish-wouldn’t sign baseballs when kids with cancer came to visit the stadium.

  279. joe August 1st, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    Angels runs; over/under 10

  280. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    There are better options than Livan.

  281. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Yankee Trader, yeah I guess that could do it…

    ;)

  282. Guiseppe Franco August 1st, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Livan Hernandez is definitely not the answer for the Yanks.

    He’s given up 199 hits and 29 walks in 139.2 IP – which computes to a 1.63 WHIP.

    That very Ponson-esque – who has given up 109 hits and 28 walks in 82.1 IP and computes to a 1.66 WHIP.

    No thanks. I trust Darrell Rasner and Ian Kennedy more than that.

  283. Neil August 1st, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    It can’t possibly be Betemit’s salary that’s difficult to move. Cashman should have tried for Rich Aurila from the S.F. Giants among others at the deadline.

    Wilson Betemit inf
    1 year/$1.165M (2008)

    re-signed 1/18/08 (avoided arbitration)

    1 year/$0.405M (2007)
    acquired in trade (from LA Dodgers) 7/31/07

    re-signed 3/07

    1 year/$0.345M (2006), re-signed 3/06
    acquired in trade 7/06, with Dodgers paying Atlanta an undisclosed amount of cash as part of the deal

    1 year/$0.316M (2005), re-signed 2/05
    1 year/$0.3M (2003) (split contract) 2/03
    agent: Scott Shapiro, MASS
    ML service: 3.078

  284. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Are we doing the The “How many Runs Ponson gives up tonight” drinking game?

    Vodka? Tequila? Whiskey?

    Maybe it would be safer to stick with Water?

  285. Count of Montefusco August 1st, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Forgive me if this has already been said, but I didn’t have time to scroll through all the posts so far:

    The knee-jerk negative reactions to Betemit in the lineup — by Pete and posters alike — followed by the news that Nady has a sore quad, points up to a HILARIOUS DEGREE how ridiculous most of you are. I’m sorry, but when are you people going to get it through your thick skulls that Joe Girardi and his staff spend ALL DAY, nearly SEVEN DAYS A WEEK — and while on the road ACTUALLY LIVE WITH — the players they are choosing to put in the lineup each game.

    Gee, do you think Girardi has a SLIGHTLY BETTER FEEL for what might work out on a given night than you do sitting at home in your boxers with your hand on your ***MOUSE***? Has it occurred to any of you armchair geniuses re:Betemit that Joe is trying to press the issue w/ Cashman — that he wants a 25th man who will produce, that he’s trying to get Betemit jump-started for THE GOOD OF THE TEAM?

    It’s just preposterous, the presumptions that go on from top to bottom around here.

  286. Vince Black August 1st, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Are we doing the The “How many Runs Ponson gives up tonight” drinking game?

    Vodka? Tequila? Whiskey?

    Maybe it would be safer to stick with Water?

    I realized he was on the mound and I started drinking instantly.

  287. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    SA: How about sake? It’ll go better with my dinner.

  288. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Sake can be consumed too. :)

  289. bavd in reverse August 1st, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    hey COUNT !…” I know you are, but what am I ?”

  290. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! August 1st, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Rebecca, i would recommend a green apple sake.

  291. Hybrid Moments August 1st, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    SJ44,

    Betemit sucks. I was excited upon his arrival to the Bronx but all the things that made me optimistic about Betemit are fading fast. I don’t mind that he strikes out a lot but I do mind that he has -4- walks all year. Thats atrocious and just flat out not acceptable given his role on the team. On top of that his defense sucks and he is not very fast. Whats his role on the team? To strikeout on three to four pitches?

    You’re right about not being able to judge Christian on his current numbers. His minor league numbers suggest he is not afraid to walk, is a good base stealer, and can handle a bat at replacement level. While his major league line is a small sample size, its not exactly out of line with his minor league numbers.

    Christian is definitely a better overall player then Betemit. I wish Damon could play 1B while Christian was in LF and Betemit was riding the pine.

  292. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    Ed: Oooh, sounds good!

  293. vin August 1st, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    “Trisha
    Pitching-emergence Saunders and Santana
    Good contact hitters
    Torii Hunter
    Good defense
    Great closer”

    To add on…
    Scot Shields
    Jose Arredondo/Darren Oliver
    Mike Scioscia
    and the understanding that going with Eric Aybar at short and adding Garland as the fifth starter is much more valuable than having Orlando Cabrera

  294. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Count of Montefusco – That deserves a BINGO! and a hearty AMEN!

    BINGO AND AMEN!!!!!

    There is not a more sage post on this forum.

  295. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Vin, asbsolutely Mike Scoscia. I thought of that reading your first iteration. The guy is understated fantastic.

  296. MrMulligan (Xavier in Pinstripes) August 1st, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    Q. We all realize how important every game is from now through the end of the year. That being said, is anyone else “kind of” hoping we win an 8-6, (the inevitable happens) Sir Sid is DFA’d and we see if IPK or Aceves is ready?

    Santana is a year removed from “blowing up” in away starts: (1-10, 8.38, .325 BA)…and is showing signs of regressing.

    Last Month: 4.85 / 1.38 L4: 6.00 / 1.42

  297. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    When exactly does Chris Britton run out of options? I mean, how many more punches left on that ticket????

  298. bavd in reverse August 1st, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    so surprising that the count and trisha would be in agreement, huh ?

  299. bavd in reverse August 1st, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Britton needs to be DFA’d just so we don’t see his fat butt ever again, IMHO…

  300. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    When Joe Girardi was asked earlier if Sidney Ponson was pitching for his job tonight Girardi replied “he’s in the rotation today.” That does not sound like a ringing endorsement to me. It sounds like someone who is pitching for their job.

  301. steve August 1st, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    I do not understand why Nady is not in this line up. If he has a sore quad but is available to ph, then he can just as easily dh. We are in a do or die weekend. We failed to win 2-3 against the Orioles, dropped that make up game against Pittsburgh and therefore dropped 2-3 against Bucs, Cincy and lost 2-3 against the JAys before the break. This is the toughest series to date and we stand a real chance of losing all 4 games. Our rotation is compromised this weekend with Ponson and Rasner being 2 of the 4 starters and our best starter (Pettite) got lit up last night. Our season can end this weekend.

    I do not understand How Girardi puts line ups together. Nady needs to play not sit the bench. I expect that we will get creamed tonight and Joe will use Nady in some meaningless situation during this game.

    Congrats to the Rays for winning the AL east. And the Sox without Manny being Manny will rebound and win the WC, not because they are better than the Yanks but because Francona will use the players Theo traded for. This really sucks!

  302. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    “so surprising that the count and trisha would be in agreement, huh ?”

    And why is this so surprising/not surprising? Obviously the Count is a person who doesn’t knee jerk, doesn’t feel he is smarter than the Yankee organization, and doesn’t feel the need to play arm-chair GM. In a court of law, that would probably be a winning combination. Or do you really think there is any person on this forum who has better information with which to make decisions on the Yankees than the people in the Yankee organization? I do believe that was the Count’s entire point. It’s actually amazing that more people here aren’t quite so reality bound.

    Yeah so I guess it would be very easy to see why I would agree with the Count’s perspective.

  303. bavd in reverse August 1st, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    one day we will all be as smart and correct as trisha

  304. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Man, oh man, I just spent a couple of minutes typing a post, hitting submit by mistake, and then seeing that my comment didn’t come up anyway!

    Anyway, just wanted to throw my 2 cents in regarding stats. I LOVE the WHIP stat. Easy to decipher and to figure out and it tells the story. Some stats, not so much for me. SJ44 is correct; unless the stats are used in a valid way they don’t tell you anything – or worse, they tell you the wrong thing. I would love to remember what OPS is, because it is used a lot and I get it confused with on-base percentage, which I don’t think it is. However, VORP – you can take that one out and blow it up – I know what the acronym means, but I really don’t see how it adds value to my understanding of the game and the performance of the players. :)

    As for Sidney Ponson – I don’t think you can just spout his stats without also talking about his ground ball to fly ball ratio, because this is his only relative strength. It is how he gets away with 5 hits and 4 walks and 0 runs. Some of his ground balls will be hits, but some will result in double plays. That, I think is the explanation for Ponson’s mixed results. Do I think he’s a good pitcher? No, but I do think he can give a team an opportunity to win. I think better teams will kill him, so I’m not looking forward to tonight’s game.

    Anyway, enjoy the game, all, as much as you can! Go Sir Sid!! :lol:

  305. Olan August 1st, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    hmm i wonder about this for a while. If Nady and Xaiver are so good that everybody want them. How come Pirate is still dead last? On top of that they had Marte too…..

  306. Kill-Schill(ing) August 1st, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    What’s the update on Nady’s health. I hate it when Channel 9 covers the Yankees games. First of all, there is no pre-game and update on player injuries and secondly, I can’t occupy a good five minutes before game time pondering whether, if given the opportunity, I’d do Kim Jones.

    BTW, has Erin Andrews always been THAT stunning or was I not paying attention.

    I seem to prefer dark-haired women so I always liked Bonnie Bernstein, but my god, I saw Erin Andrews recently in person. Wow, she’s model beautiful. I never watch ESPN except for Inside Baseball or Sunday night Yankees game, so I had no clue. How old is she? Anyone know?

  307. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    Fran, I certainly hope he gets the job done then. It would be nice not to have to be scrambling at this point.

  308. Jeff NJ August 1st, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    I actually like that Joe is working in Wilson, and the Nady injury clarifies why. Wilson had a good day yesterday with A Gonz getting traded. Anyone think the SS at AA will be ready in 3 years? I think Betemit will do well tonight, look for the Yankees to win a slugfest. Go Yanks!

  309. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    “one day we will all be as smart and correct as trisha”

    Oh give it up. I’m smart enough to know that I’m not smart enough to know more than the organization does. Maybe someday you’ll wake up and figure out the same thing about yourself.

  310. bavd in reverse August 1st, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    trisha’s opinions should be taken as fact.

  311. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Doreen well let me say this about that. Of all the teams that we face in the course of a season, there isn’t a team I enjoy facing less. So for anyone who feels that Sidney shouldn’t be in the rotation I can totally understand why it would be screaming at them in tonight’s game.

    That said, go Yankees and go Sidney!

    :)

  312. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 1st, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Turns out I can’t go to tomorrows game. Is anyone interested in buying the ticket from me?

  313. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    “trisha’s opinions should be taken as fact.”

    True enough! So this is a fact. It would be great if you would bother someone else.

    :)

  314. Olan August 1st, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    i mean nady and bay*….

  315. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Trisha – agreed. Hope Ponson turns in a good performance tonight.

  316. E-Man August 1st, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    You people should really calm down.

    Afterall, It’s only August.

    And it’s not like we’re playing the best team in baseball.

    So everyone just relax and have faith in Girardi.

  317. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy am I being subjected to FSN West when they are playing at home?

    Extra Innings tendency to do that irritates me.

  318. bavd in reverse August 1st, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    It would be great for YOU, yes….that is why I won’t stop.

  319. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    Trisha -

    The Angels always make me nervous. Don’t know if I’ll actually watch tonight’s game or just flip back and forth to it. I know it probably makes me sound like a fair weather fan, but life being what it is, I sometimes opt not to get agita from a source over which I have no control. In other words, it’s not good for me when I invest too much emotion in the what the Yankees do. So every now and then (when the Angels are the opposing team, for instance), I take a mental/emotional health break!

  320. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    All right, Pete Abraham is putting the over/under on Ponson at three innings tonight.

    It’s so on :-P

  321. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Welp, here we go guys. I hope everyone has copious amounts of booze at the ready. Ponsanity is upon us!

  322. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Sidney Ponson retired Chone Figgins on the first pitch.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

  323. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    We are so screwed, I’ll start my prayers right now.

  324. Blargh August 1st, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Doreen: OBS is OBP plus slugging percentage
    Basically, combine your ability to get on base and your ability to smash the ball hard :P

  325. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    Oh, and congrats to Karstens on shutting out the Cubs today. Pittsburgh is a much better environment for him and I really hope he continues to do well.

  326. Jack ( captin clutch is still alive! never give up on jeter) August 1st, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    sidney ponson will pitch well 2nite and ervin will leave game with a high pitch count while giving up 5 runs or more

  327. Dana August 1st, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    I can’t recall the last time Garrett Anderson didn’t have his way with Yankee pitching. Every series he does significant damage. Similar to Millar.

  328. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Me too, BBB.

  329. Jack ( captin clutch is still alive! never give up on jeter ) August 1st, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    lets go sir sidney

  330. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    “Sidney Ponson retired Chone Figgins on the first pitch.

    You can’t make this stuff up.”

    and bobby abreu caught something

  331. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    …Did we just see that?

    Really?

    Okay, offense, you HAVE to show up tonight. Absolutely HAVE to.

  332. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Nice 1st inning for Ponson

  333. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Wait…did Sir Sid really just retire the side 1-2-3? Ponsanity!!

  334. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    BBB: There’s another word to describe it. Since I can’t say the actual word here, I’ll go with what St. Louis fans would say: MindFranklin.

  335. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Whoa Sir Sid! We need more of that. Nice start for him.

    Offense? Hello? Get to it

  336. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    I love the way people with their heads up their butts always need a cover when they end up looking like idiots. Especially the people who would jump off the GW Bridge if Pete said it was time.

    Yeah nobody figured Sidney would make it out of the first inning. What a huge surprise. I have a good idea. Everyone take a drink.

    So mature.

  337. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    Okay, my daughter just got home and turned on the game in time for me to hear that Sir Sid retired the side in order. Way to start the game!

  338. Will August 1st, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Pete,

    Love the blog.

    That said, among those qualifying for the ERA title this year, Livan Hernandez is the worst on hits/9, bb/9, k/bb, and so on and so forth.

    He’s literally worse than Ponson. I mean, terrible.

  339. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Please don’t GIDP.

  340. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Ok, why do I have the Angels announcers on MLB Extra Innings?

  341. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Trisha: It’s part of the fun :)

    That said, I ordered Chinese/Japanese food for dinner today ad they forgot the sauces! So no moo shu sauce, no soy sauce, no dumpling sauce… :(

    Oh well.

  342. joe August 1st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    damon swipe so we don’t get a GIDP and Jeter can make a productive out :D

  343. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    was that really jeter hitting there…way to go buddy!!

  344. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Oh wait. I forgot. Sidney got lucky.

  345. j August 1st, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    good morning afertoon and good night. way to take a picth

  346. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    I just complained about that, Laura.

    *isn’t impressed*

  347. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Trisha: Retiring the side in order is good…retiring the side when you have the bases loaded and no one out (as Ponson has done a few times) is lucky.

  348. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    I ordered Chinese food for dinner last night and there was so much of it I’m having it for dinner tonight too. They sent all of the sauces, and lots of them. If I lived closer I’d share them with you!

    :)

  349. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Blargh -

    Thanks for the tutoring. Now, does slugging include all extra base hits or just HRs?

  350. Olan August 1st, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    great way to strike out on 3 pitches..

  351. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    Rebecca I’m not buying. There is as much validity to saying it is skill as to saying it is luck!

  352. Alonzo Mosley August 1st, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    346 comments in 1.1 innings. nice

  353. MrMulligan (Xavier in Pinstripes) August 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Why can we not “get the runners over” when there are no outs?
    How many times this year has this ruined a rally?

  354. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Uh, Yanks, the idea is to *score* the runs on the bases…

  355. John...Trying not to lose hope August 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    the Audio video sync on Mlb.tv is terrible

  356. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    I am not digging all these freaking strike outs

  357. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Hanging slider… too bad.

  358. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Alonzo: You should have been here last night. I think we were up to 750 before the first pitch.

  359. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Well I think there’s one thing we can all agree on. Whether it is luck or skill, or whether it’s because he is a decent pitcher or a lousy pitcher who just got lucky, may it last!

  360. Blargh August 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Doreen: All extra base hits

    Slugging is essentially a weighted batting average. Yaknow how batting average is hits divided by at-bats? All hits are equal in that; singles = doubles = triples = HRs. (1xSingles + 1xDoubles + 1xTriples + 1xHomeruns) / at-bats.

    Slugging weights it such that it’s (1xSingles + 2xDoubles + 3xTriples + 4xHomeruns) / at-bats.

  361. Groundhoggator August 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Mulligan… that is exactly the problem with this team…

    This team produces an inordinate amount of “empty outs”

  362. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Yeah. It is lucky to a certain degree, but it also requires a certain amount of chutzpah to not lose it when pitching with men on base.

  363. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Not starting the negative too early but what the hell good is ARod in the #4 position if he cannot hit with RISP.

    The batting order needs to be adjusted somehow, mayb flip-flop Abreu and ARod, but standing there watching pitches and only hitting when it is insignificant does not put W’s in the books.

    And right now, Giambi needs a week off. He is just overmatched by every pitcher he faces.

  364. MrMulligan (Xavier in Pinstripes) August 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Glad Abreu and ARod decided to “show up’ tonight…guys you’re playing the Best Team in MLB…any opportunities must be taken.

  365. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    They do need to get Giambi out of the five spot. His numbers with RISP are horrendous–batting him there is killing the offense.

    Not that Bobby and A-rod’s strike outs helped, either.

  366. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Well, that sucked.

  367. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    0-3 with RISP in just one inning. This is going to be a great night.

  368. j August 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    that was just pitiful. is it too much to ask to lay down a bunt, or even make contact with the ball?

  369. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Pretty unimpressive 1st inning for Abreu, ARod and Giambi

  370. Melky Fan Club August 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    A-rod is the next dan marino.. Does he ever get it..

  371. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Again, our big chance and we blew it. Take a lead there and it changes the entire outlook of the game.

    Giambi batting 5th is idiotic. This guy is hitting .200 with RISP and can’t catch up to a fastball right now or drive the ball and he’s hitting behind A-Rod? Girardi needs to wake up and face the stats that he loves so much and stop being so loyal.

  372. j August 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    wonder if oneil can come out from the booth and pinch hit for someone. :)

  373. geO [Murderer's Row and Cano] August 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Giambi should let go after this year.

    I hate his angry swing and the dumb fielding shift that comes along with him

  374. sdjohn August 1st, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Is anyone really that shocked that just happend? If so, you haven’t been watching to many Yankee games this year.

  375. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    “Not starting the negative too early but what the hell good is ARod in the #4 position if he cannot hit with RISP.”

    Are you kidding? Most people are negative when the damn lineups are posted. Starting being negative in the bottom of the first is positively restrained!

  376. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    the Audio video sync on Mlb.tv is terrible

    symbolic of the Yankees offense. Here the sound of the bat but realize it is another DP, Flyout, Groundout, pop up… where if they were in sync, the sound of the bat would represent an actual hit with a run scoring.

  377. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Talk about what came first the chicken or the egg.

    When the offense doesn’t click, there is so much damned pressure on the pitcher to make perfect pitches. When pitchers try to be that fine, they get in trouble. Then it looks like our pitchers don’t know how to get the job done. It’s like a cat chasing its tail.

  378. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Oh good grief, Matt has started his thing already.
    :roll:

  379. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    OK, I know someone will cry that I’m making excuses for A-Rod, but does anyone else suspect that maybe he is pressing to try and compensate for the offensive black hole that Giambi has been behind him in the recent past?

    Just wondering cause honestly, it is getting to the point where if A-rod comes up with men on and 1 out, I involuntarily find myself thinking “cmon Alex, you’re our last chance” b/c I am THAT positive Giambi won’t get a hit.

    So if I’m thinking that, maybe Alex himself is thinking along the same lines? And we all know that kind of thinking hinders him greatly in those situations.

  380. j August 1st, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    on a good note the angels are not a patient team so as long as sidney throws strikes we should be in good shape.

  381. MrMulligan (Xavier in Pinstripes) August 1st, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    “Mulligan… that is exactly the problem with this team…

    This team produces an inordinate amount of “empty outs”

    This year “kills me” and I know we’ve been spoiled… the Yankee teams during “the run” were AMAZING at timely hitting and sacrificing for the good of the team.

  382. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Kazmir is at 32 pitches in the first inning

  383. This Year August 1st, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Typical Yankees. First 2 runners on, then nohing. Am at The Stadium and you could just sense people expecting failure with risp.

  384. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    …Who the heck is doing the PA anouncing? For a moment there I thought we were on the road.

    Another 1-2-3?

    What the…? :-P

  385. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Look at Sidney – 20 pitches for 2 innings 6 in a row!!

  386. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    My goodness, is it the 2nd inning or the 9th?
    Things aren’t over yet.

  387. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Okay, I think it’s fair to say that with Kyle gone, Sidney has become my new pet project.

    :D :D :D

  388. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!’s here}
    August 1st, 2008 at 7:26 pm
    “Not starting the negative too early but what the hell good is ARod in the #4 position if he cannot hit with RISP.”

    Are you kidding? Most people are negative when the damn lineups are posted. Starting being negative in the bottom of the first is positively restrained!

    That was well stated. Funny!!!! So true. Sad, but so true.

  389. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    “A-rod is the next dan marino.. Does he ever get it..”

    So A-Rod is the greatest of all time at his position?

    I’m sure he’d thank you for your compliment but remind you about George Brett and Mike Schmidt…

    And wow, another 1-2-3 for Sid?

  390. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    what can you say that has not already been said about our clutch hitting.. the thing that bothers me is abreu swung at a pitch 1.5 off the plate for strike 3.

    giambi is well under 200 with RISP..

  391. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Sir Sidney-My liver and I are very pleased at your performance so far. Keep it up.

  392. Arun August 1st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    AT the curent rate this team doesn’t deserve to make the playoffs. Bobby ABreu should have been removed from the 3 hole about a year ago. This is just ridicluous. He is not the best hitter on the team, which is what the 3 hitter should be. Cano & Gaimbi, even Jeter or Damon would do a better job hitting third. Abreu should be hitting in RObbie’s spot, around 7th in the lineup.

    And I am still waiting for A rod to mature. A 40 home run hitting guess hitter is not what we pay him for. We pay him to make contact and drive in runs. I hope the next DECADE he does something more than guess at pitches looking for dingers. If he doesn’t change, this team will not win a championship in his time here and they won’t deserve too either. I am SICK AND TIRED OF PSUEDO YANKEE BASEBALL!!!!

  393. fred from jersey August 1st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    no matter what please dont give this guy another start

  394. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Exactly. A-Rod doesn’t “choke,” he presses because the lineup around him is not hitting well. When you bat a guy behind him who hits .200 with RISP and until recently, a guy ahead of him who doesn’t get on base, it’s easy to see why he thinks he has to hit a home run every at bat for this team to have a chance to win.

    If A-Rod can trust the guys around him to do their jobs, he’ll take his walk, or he’ll move the runners up, because he knows that someone can drive them in. If nobody can drive them in, then him making out to move runners up is a waste, because you know they’ll be stranded regardless unless you do something yourself.

  395. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    So, if last night it was Pudge’s fault Pettitte sucked, is it because of him that Ponson is doing great so far tonight?

  396. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Everybody needs a pet. Hope he’s more of a chia pet, than a pet rock though.

  397. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Thanks, Blargh! I have a new stat in my vocabulary, thanks to you! :)

  398. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Gotta love the remarks about Karstens and his game, today…”Why can’t we  remark made ae get a pitcher like that?”  Correct me if I’m wrong, but. with a game WHIP of 1.50, wasn’t he just lucky?  Ponson and Rasner both have had those kind of games and that’s all people harped about, including that made the remark.

  399. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    SA: Taking over the comedy bit from Nick?

  400. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    >

    Problem, this season, is what are the other options? He was eventually moved out of cleanup in 2004, 2005 and 2006 because of his problems with RISP, but there were better options then. Giambi is even worse than he is this year. Of course, Giambi is only hitting .250-.260. The disparity between his overall average and that with RISP is probably less than Rodriguez’s.

  401. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    “Everybody needs a pet. Hope he’s more of a chia pet, than a pet rock though.”

    :D

  402. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    oh, and sorry to engage the trolls, but if I have a greater sports related pet peeve than people comparing A-Rod to Marino AS AN INSULT, then I dont know about it.

  403. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Rebecca-lol Oh no. Where has Nick been btw?

  404. pat August 1st, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    BBB

    What’s worse is the pitcher may be thinking the same thing. If they want A-Rod to see multiple fastballs in an AB, he needs a threat behind him.

  405. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Horrible pitch to swing at, Cano.

  406. will August 1st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Bay produces first run for the red sox

  407. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    You see this is the apologism that I can’t stand. It’s somehow Giambi’s fault that Arod stinks with RISP. This is just nonsense, IMO. And in 2004 when he had Sheffield excelling at it, what was his excuse? This has nothing to do with Giambi.

  408. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    SA: I have no idea.

    Yanks, umm, Sidney is handing you this game on a silver platter.

    Can we please take it?

  409. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    In defense of A-Rod, that slider from Santana was pretty nasty. I doubt any of you could have hit it.

  410. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    At least Bete didn’t whiff…

  411. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Is there any way we could buy Wilson a hit?

  412. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    “Bay produces first run for the red sox”

    He walked and scored on a sac fly. How is that producing a run?

  413. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Laura: Which would be why none of us are being paid to.

  414. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    *cue more snarky comments about the Pudge Rodriguez Era*

    ….cause Jose Molina would have looked SO MUCH BETTER striking out there!

  415. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Larry, do you know what you’re talking about? A-Rod had some of the biggest clutch hits of any Yankee player in recent years in the 2004 playoffs with Sheffield hitting behind him. Nobody will ever throw A-Rod a fastball over the plate unless he has a guy behind him that’s feared.

    Giambi is not feared. He hits .200 with RISP, .250 on the season, and can’t turn around a hard fastball anymore unless it’s down and away. Cano is more feared than Giambi by far, and even Abreu, who leads the AL in 2-strike hits and hits well with RISP.

    The hitter can only do so much when the pitchers are all pitching around him because there are no other threats in the lineup. Would you let A-Rod beat you if you saw who was in the on deck circle? Of course not.

  416. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    “In defense of A-Rod, that slider from Santana was pretty nasty. I doubt any of you could have hit it.”

    You’re kidding, right? That was a hanger right down the middle. It just didn’t end up in the new YS because A-Rod was sitting FB all the way.

  417. Buzz August 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Lets keep bashing sir sidney

  418. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Kasmir walked 4 in the first. DET only got 1 run though.

  419. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    True, Laura. That was excellent pitching, but let’s not act like that has been the norm. Arod just gets pitched to unbelievably in RISP situations. Well,it’s not my perception anyway.

  420. Olan August 1st, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    ponson has a perfect game going!!

  421. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Laura just checked it out and thought the same thing. Bay drew a walk. That’s it.

  422. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    I don’t think even obama has enough money to buy betemit a hit.

  423. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    If you say so, Pedro.

  424. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Okay -

    Tell me (I know the answer), what is ARod’s career avg with RISP? And What is his career BA?

    His worst year by far with RISP was his first year here in NY.

    I just looked this up in a “conversation” with my husband. It is enlightening.

  425. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    BBB you might be right about Alex but honestly, he is a headcase with a Superman complex.

    Until Alex learns to be a baseball player who will do what needs to be done instead of the savior for the team, he will always struggle in situations like that.

    Plus, if you watch his leg kick has gotten higher and his swing has gotten longer causing his bat to drag through the zone. this is a completely – very bad – different swing the he had last year.

    Perhaps he should be on a series of 1 year contracts so he can perform every year as a contract year.

  426. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    “Well,it’s not my perception anyway.”

    Perception doesn’t equal reality.

  427. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Wakefield is pitching a no hitter…

    ;)

  428. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    The point is, they need someone not named Giambi to hit behind Alex.

  429. chien ming wang August 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Am I really out for the season?

  430. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Pat: Yeah, Giambi’s recent slump is a huge advantage for pitchers. They know it, too, especially the Angels who are so well coached.

    It is way past time to make a change, Giambi’s job is to protect A-Rod and he ain’t cutting it. But who would you put there instead? I like the way Nady’s been swinging the bat lately, but he’s still so new and now has the sore quad.

  431. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Matt, I do know what I’m talking about. Rodriguez gets challenged on a regular basis. He is not inordinately pitched around. If you think he is, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Santana is a very good pitcher with a very good breaking ball. Did you think he was going to do nothing but throw the ball down the middle?

    Rodriguez had several clutch hits in 2004, most notably the one off Nathan in the ALDS, but his overall clutch numbers were far below his overall numbers. And he was moved out of cleanup because of how poorly he was hitting with RISP.

  432. Arun August 1st, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    The 3,4 combo of Abreu and Arod is the most overrated in the game. Abreu is probably the most overrated 270 hitting 3 hole hitter in the history of the game of baseball. The guy reminds me of Garrett Anderson production-wise. I’m just waiting for Torre, I mean Joe, to move him out of the 3 hole already!!!!!!!!!!! Was there a clauser in the trade with Philly that said Abreu MUST HIT THIRD IN EVERY GAME HE EVER PLAYS WITH THE NEW YORK YANKEES!!!!!!! I am going insane waiting for him to mover out of the hole and into the 7 spot where he belongs!!!!!!!!!

  433. will August 1st, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    If he doesn’t walk, he doesn’t score.. Thus he produced the run? Dur?? dur??

  434. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    I think thats why they’re rehabbing Matsui and giving him a chance to come back, rather than sending him for surgery. He is a much better threat batting behind A-Rod.

  435. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    chien ming wang August 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm
    Am I really out for the season?

    Maybe we will see you in Oct(if we make it to the postseason).

  436. John...Trying not to lose hope August 1st, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    did anyone notice that Kay couldn’t stop talking about how hot ABreu was? boom, strike out

  437. Guiseppe Franco August 1st, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Dan Marino is my all-time favorite football player. Being compared to him on any level is certainly a good thing.

  438. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    When we discuss averages with RISP, don’t tell me career. What has he done as a Yankee? People here didn’t give Randy Johnson a pass because he won 5 Cy Youngs
    before he got here. As a Yankee, this is Rodriguez. First overall than RISP.

    2004 .286/.248
    2005 .321/.290
    2006 .290/.302
    2007 .314/.333
    2008 .326/.250ish

  439. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Exactly. When Matsui was behind A-Rod he was on fire at the end of May and through early-mid June because they feared Matsui and his .330 average and high average with RISP. It’s all about his protection, and since he’s cerebral and overthinks, you can’t have him in a position where he knows he has to do it all himself or he’ll struggle.

  440. Melky Fan Club August 1st, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Has any one realized we have a 90′s all star team

    Sexson, Jeter, Damon, Giambi, Ivan..

    Hahhahah

  441. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Sidney came to play today.

    Hope the Yankee offense decides to do the same.

  442. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Another good inning for Sir Sidney.

    Now the Yanks need to get hime some runs.

  443. Buzz August 1st, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Ponson has the magic words through 3 :)

  444. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    So see this is the same Angels team that kicked our asses last night, and you see Sidney Ponson so far has really held them down.

    Awful pitchers really can’t do that.

  445. Miller August 1st, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Nice. No hitter through 3 innings for Ponson!!

  446. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    We need to call the Police. Someone has kidnapped Sidney Ponson and replaced him with a competent pitcher.

  447. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Who is this pitcher? And why did he eat Ponson?

  448. ohgodno August 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    OH THE PONSANITY!!!!!!

  449. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    YEAH SIR SID!!

  450. will August 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    You can also add, dan marino was never a choker artist.His Offense line and no running game is why he never won superbowls. But dan is still the best quarter back ever

  451. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    When the hell did the Yankees pick up a pitcher that was not afraid of the Angels.

    Man I missed that transaction.

  452. Forcibly Shave Giambi August 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    eom

  453. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    He wasn’t on fire with Matsui behind him. Not with RISP. Hell, he’s been on fire overall the last 10 days with Giambi behind him. His overall average has gone up 15-20 points.

  454. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Larry, I don’t think 05, 06 and 07 were all that bad.

  455. Olan August 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    no hit still intact!

  456. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Sir Sidney just said-put the vodka bottles away. No drinking game tonight.

  457. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    giuseppe…danny boy is my favorite athlete of all time period…i got to watch him for 16 seasons as my parents have had phins season tickets since 69. He made people around him better…i dont see a-rod making people around him better..someone made the point before that a-rod presses because he knows that he has to shoulder the team. The reason he hit so well last yr was because bowa was on him day after day to just relax and hit singles….

  458. pat August 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Doreen

    .307 BA career
    .304 RISP career

    Here’s the link
    http://www.baseball-reference......38;year=00

  459. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Now if only the Yankees could score a run or 5..

  460. will August 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Still early. i have to work or it would be a drinking night with this friggin offense

  461. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    So the pitcher’s not afraid of the angels, but the hitters sure are.

  462. Olan August 1st, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    while santana is having an one hit shutout..

  463. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    I don’t know the numbers but it seems like Damon has been struggling big time after the injury.

  464. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    pat -

    Thanks, I had looked it up before I asked the question. It’s why I asked the question. :)

  465. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Remember the people bitching and moaning about “Oh, we’re being no-hit by Garland!”

    How about the Angels fans right now. They’ve been held to a walk by Sidney Ponson!

    And Hernandez has no place on the American League. Like Ponson, he’s been lousy, but his lousiness has been hidden by terrific run support.

  466. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    It’s all relative, Doreen. .290 by itself isn’t that bad, but it was 30 points below his overall average. The bottom line here, as a Yankee, his situational hitting tends to be worse than his overall hitting. I have a problem with that if many are going to use the superlatives that they use to describe this guy.

  467. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    It’s really a lot more character building to say “Gee I was wrong about Ponson not being able to pitch” than to try to keep making excuses to cover an obvious built-in prejudice.

    However, I don’t expect to see that here!

    :)

  468. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    “You see this is the apologism that I can’t stand. It’s somehow Giambi’s fault that Arod stinks with RISP. This is just nonsense, IMO”

    Two questions:
    1) As the number 5 hitter, is it not Giambi’s job to protect the cleanup hitter?
    2) Is he doing it?

    Nobody’s saying A-Rod didn’t have preexisting problems with RISP, but Giambi stinking it up behind him only compounds them. You say we’re A-Rod apologists, aren’t you being a Giambi apologist by giving him a free pass so you can conveniently blame the whole thing on A-Rod?

  469. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime
    August 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm
    So the pitcher’s not afraid of the angels, but the hitters sure are.

    Bingo. If ever there was a case where a teams presence was a huge advantage, it is the Angels over the Yankees.

  470. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    …Did our offense just give up or something?

  471. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    I think I heard Olan say that Wakefield is still pitching a NO HITTER.

  472. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    hits, walks, runs…please

  473. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Perfect example of what I mentioned before just occured. 3-2 breaking ball to Jeter.
    He didn’t throw Jeter that pitch because he’s not afraid of Abreu, he threw it because he’s a very good pitcher who makes tough pitches.

  474. This Year August 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Until Jeter just came up the announcer was neither Bob Sheperd nor his imitator. Sounded like you were in Tampa or something. Anyone else notice that recently? Anyway, there is a palpable sense of futility here in the Bronx (despite Ponson’s miraculous first 3 innings).

  475. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    It would have been lovely if the Yankees could have plated even one run in the first.

  476. E-Man August 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    It’s OPPOSITE DAY!!

    Jeter’s actually taking pitches.

    Some other pitcher that looks like Ponson is on the mound.

  477. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    well that was pathetic.

  478. Jim S August 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Weren’t some of you voting for Giambi for the AS game? Please. He sucks. Glad I didn’t vote for him.

  479. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Yeah Betemit stinks doesn’t he?

    Geesh.

  480. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    “You say we’re A-Rod apologists, aren’t you being a Giambi apologist by giving him a free pass so you can conveniently blame the whole thing on A-Rod?”

    :D

  481. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    How about the Angels fans right now. They’ve been held to a walk by Sidney Ponson!

    Dude, it is the 4th inning and IT IS PONSON…

    Not that I hope it happens but give him time to blow up. All he needs tonight is one of the patented innings and it could be a long night.

  482. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Pete, is that one of the immortal signs the Yankees are going to win the game?

    Or is that just Wilson saying “this is why I’m in the game tonight?”

  483. E-Man August 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Betemit is playing good D!

  484. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Boy, Sidney’s lucky today.

  485. Yazman (David) August 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    I count 3 out of Sid’s last 10 starts where he didn’t give us at least a decent chance to win.

  486. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! August 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    that’s not right, the Betemit i know doesnt make gold glove plays. i will have to give him credit for making the leaping catch.

  487. pat August 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Doreen

    You’d make a good lawyer and must be a good Mom. Both never ask a question they don’t know the answer to. Then you know who’s lying to you. :smile:

  488. Forcibly Shave Giambi August 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Nice catch Betch!

  489. Fan mail from some flounder... August 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Whats the latest RISP BA for A-rod? Gotta be like .094…

    Willllsonnnnnnn… nice catch.

  490. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Wilson Betemit robbing doubles?!?!?!?!?

    Welcome to BizzarroWorld!!

  491. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    But if Giambi is doing such a horrible job of potecting Rodriguez, how has his average risen 15 points the last 10 days?

    Yes, absolutely Giambi has been horrible situationally this year. Difference is, I’m acknowledging his failings, not trying to pass them off on someone else.

  492. Yazman (David) August 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Maybe you’d have to say 4 out of 10, if you say 4 ER in 7 innings doesn’t give us a decent chance to win.

    His other 6 games were quite strong.

  493. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    It’s OPPOSITE DAY!!

    Just like the Seinfeld show where Elaine met the “other Jerry and crew”

  494. This Year August 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Now that Jeter is out, the generic announcer is back.

  495. vin August 1st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    The great Betamit… lol

  496. Forcibly Shave Giambi August 1st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    O Neill blooper needs to be put on YOUTUBE right now!

  497. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    paulie and kay are pissing themselves in the both — kenny is like wtf is going on here.

  498. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    “Yes, absolutely Giambi has been horrible situationally this year. Difference is, I’m acknowledging his failings, not trying to pass them off on someone else.”

    Didn’t look that way to me.

  499. MikeyB August 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Wakefield no longer throwing a no-hitter.

    Ponson’s is still intact.

  500. Bx is burning August 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Whiff-

    those are 2 different Seinfeld episodes.

  501. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    “Boy, Sidney’s lucky today.”

    Yeah he sure is! He was lucky when he pitched against the Mets, the Rays, and Minny too. That a lot of luck isn’t it? Lucky lucky Sidney.

  502. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Wasn’t Torii supposed to be out for a family situation?

  503. Jeff NJ August 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Whiff you’re confusing two episodes, there was Bizarro Jerry with the three similar guys, and the Opposite episode is when George told Steinbrenner off and got the Yankees Assistant to the Traveling Secretary job.

  504. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    ….Okay, now THAT is a sign.

  505. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Thats tomorrow, TK.

  506. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Larry,

    I just think ARod’s not nearly as bad as some say. However, I would agree that he’s not great in those situations – or at least, he’s not consistently good. My husband and I agree to disagree about ARod. He thinks he’s the most overrated superstar in any sport. I tend to be more lenient in my assessment.

    Wow – Abreu made a really good play at the wall. Now would be a good time for some offense!

  507. Vince Black August 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    worst right fielder in baseball…how dare he?

  508. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! August 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    is this a dream? Bobby making catches against the wall? Betemit making a leaping catch?

    wow………

  509. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Yeah can I hear all the feigned surprise about Bobby and the wall?

  510. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Well, then you misread it because I said very little about Giambi specifically. I addressed Rodriguez more. Once I addressed Giambi, I’m not trying to deflect his share of the blame.

  511. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    holy SCHNIKES….maybe it is opposite day…BOBBY ABREU hitting the fence to make a catch….

  512. YanksFanLV August 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    who is that in right field and what has he done with Bobby Abreu?!

  513. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Sidney looking very impressive through 4. He really wants to stay in the rotation.

  514. gayle August 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    ok Ponson pitching like a diferent person, Wilson making great defensive plays and Bobby into the wall. We have to win this game

  515. bphill August 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    yeah rebecca…..a minor sign.

  516. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    how many warning track outs has that been? I count three.

  517. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    I am as optimistic as they come regarding Ponson. And even I have to express my great fear that this line-drive/deep-flyball show is a recipe for disaster.

    Runs, please!

  518. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    A catch at the wall?!? Bobby??? Is that really you?!?

    This is surreal. Baseball is a hell of a game :)

  519. mel August 1st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Nice play by Abreu. Looks like there’s a little bounce off the wall. Extra padding?

  520. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    OK Ponson is pitching well…

    Betemit is playing Defense

    Jeter and others are taking pitches

    Abreu goes near the wall.

    WHO THE F*** ARE THE ANGELS PLAYING TONIGHT. I thought it was suppose to be Yankees v Angels….

    MLB owes me a refund for giving me the wrong game.

  521. Olan August 1st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    no hit thru 4….we gonna get a no hit game from ponson and lose to angel cuz we can’t score worth shxx

  522. MikeyB August 1st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Wow-

    Sidney Ponson has a no-hitter through 4 innings!!

  523. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Agreed, Doreen, in that much of the criticism is over the top. Things like the Afreud nonsense. This is all relative criticism. The Yankees should be so lucky that all their players performed at Arod’s level.

  524. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    No actually these players have all done similar things in other games. It’s when your own prejudices blind you to the good in certain players that you are actually surprised when you finally notice their skills.

    That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it!

  525. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Thanks Angel – Just got in – Sir Sidney up to his usual tricks I assume?

  526. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    I don’t have the game on TV. Was Ponson hit hard that last inning?

  527. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Jeff NJ…

    You are right. Crap screwed that one up.

    Great episode when George told off Steinbrenner. Classic.

  528. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    So this is what the twilight Zone is like. Cool

  529. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    “Yeah he sure is! He was lucky when he pitched against the Mets, the Rays, and Minny too. That a lot of luck isn’t it? Lucky lucky Sidney.”

    During all three of those games, he was generating grounders. Even against Minny, I was encouraged by the fact that even if they were hit hard, he was keeping his sinkers down and pitching with good velocity.

    Today, he looks terrible.

    Speaking of terrible, WTF A-Rod?

  530. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    …Alex, that wasn’t what you were supposed to do.

  531. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    wow…a-rod….just wow

  532. John...Trying not to lose hope August 1st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Nice at bat, “A-rod”

  533. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    I LOVE BOBBY!

  534. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    He’s actually been battling, I guess you’d say. He’s certainly not letting the Angels offense push him around, to this point in the game.

  535. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Nice AB Arod.

    time to call your Kaballah spiritual leader and have him pound the nonsense our of your mindless skull….

    time to pull your head out.

  536. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Steve Palermo had better recommend that the HP ump from last night get his eyes checked.

  537. Yazman (David) August 1st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Wow, I just noticed that we’ve AVERAGED scoring 9 runs for Sid in his last 10 starts. Let’s keep that up tonight!

  538. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    “Nice at bat, “A-rod””

    We’re ten games above .500. 10 over. Not 10 under, ten over. And you are TRYING not to lose hope?

  539. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    “I don’t have the game on TV. Was Ponson hit hard that last inning?”

    Trader some balls were hit hard but thankfully right at people. He’s looked really good.

    Trader, if you are out of the NY area and want to watch the game over the internet, give me your email addy and I will send you my MLB account information.

  540. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Man, Texeira almost had time to set up a stool and start a campfire before that came down for him to catch.

  541. j August 1st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    you know whats funny. melky might be our best contact hitter. he has only struck out 50 times per year in the last three years. scary.

  542. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    “Today, he looks terrible.”

    Ron, I told you to stop it with overdoing the gange!!!

    :D

  543. John...Trying not to lose hope August 1st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club)
    August 1st, 2008 at 8:09 pm
    “Nice at bat, “A-rod””

    We’re ten games above .500. 10 over. Not 10 under, ten over. And you are TRYING not to lose hope?

    Dude, it’s easy for you, you have faith in Betemit. That makes you a step above optomistic. And I am naturally just a step below optomistic, it’s just how I am.

  544. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    We can’t buy a run, can we?

  545. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Please get Bobby home

  546. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Can Cano just get hot and STAY hot?

  547. Shave It Jason! August 1st, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Ugh the RISP monster is back

  548. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Proud of Michael Kay. I’ll say why in a few innings…

  549. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Cano is back… back to not hitting.

  550. MJR (Shut Up Steve Phillips) August 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    All the Bobby haters are quiet the last few weeks. Good!

    Ponson…WOW!

    Great game thus far!

    Now, I’d like to see Manny go 3-4 and the A’s beat the Sox.

  551. Jim S August 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Andy Hawkins must be smiling

  552. Olan August 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    somebody need to get cano dad in new york ASAP!

  553. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    “And I am naturally just a step below optomistic, it’s just how I am.”

    The quota of these kind of people has been well and truly reached on this blog.

  554. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    0 for 5 and with RISP.

  555. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    “Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club)
    August 1st, 2008 at 8:09 pm
    “Nice at bat, “A-rod””

    We’re ten games above .500. 10 over. Not 10 under, ten over. And you are TRYING not to lose hope?

    Dude, it’s easy for you, you have faith in Betemit. That makes you a step above optomistic. And I am naturally just a step below optomistic, it’s just how I am.”

    I don’t think anyone who has lost hope in their team when they are in striking distance of first place and 10 games over with a bunch of guys hurt deserves to be called a fan.

  556. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    jesus this game is painful to watch. Can’t seem to generate any kind of offense here.

  557. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    Dang it.

  558. mel August 1st, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    The Yankees may not be seeing the ball well, but they’re getting some good at-bats.

    Just a few more innings, Sidney.

  559. Mike NYY- Check out my blog August 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    No hitter gone

  560. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    So who jinxed the no hitter? Pete? Us?

  561. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    “0 for 5 and with RISP.”

    You know, anyone watching the game knows this, because Michael Kay doesn’t stop talking about not (right or not). So why the hell must you never contribute anything but doom and gloom, either in the form of inane pronouncements or stats?

    Just asking.

  562. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    is there a way to find out how guys hit against good pitching? I think someone mentioned last night the Yanks beat up on BAD pitchers, is there a way to find out how the yanks do as a team against the elite pitchers??

    They just cannot consistently get hits when it counts.. Angels with the leadoff runner on that usually does not end good…..

  563. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Well there goes the No hitter

  564. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    there goes the perfect game.

  565. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    The Dodgers gave Manny 99 for a number? What the hell does that mean?

  566. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    er… no-no

  567. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Awwww Sid. It was a valiant effort.

  568. Vince Black August 1st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    dumb a$$ abreu should have caught that …….the lazy bum

  569. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    If Ponson gets through this inning without giving up a run, I’m sure we’ll win. You can write that down.

  570. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! August 1st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    another against the wall catch? wow….

  571. Shave It Jason! August 1st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Abreu’s training with the wall is paying off.

  572. j August 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    they are starting to time his pitches. not pretty

  573. Vince Black August 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    I think Abreu has been reading the comments on this blog.

  574. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Pete jinxed it and Pete knows better. He has to be ballistic that Sidney is pitching well because it makes him look ridiculous with all the blah blahing he’s been doing about how “awful” Sidney is.

    Good job Pete!

    However, Olan and a few others did it also. I didn’t bother saying anything when they did because it was already too late.

  575. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Yeah, that Arod is awful. Only leads the league in hitting.

    Damn him!

  576. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    OMG….Bobby!!!!

  577. David Cone's Labrum August 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Can we grind out a friggin at-bat, please?

    A-Rod pop out, Cano pop-out on 1-0 counts?

  578. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    But I have to say I am really impressed by Michael Kay. He never said the magic words. Great job Michael!

  579. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Hhmmm
    strikes Sir Sidney. Walks=bad

  580. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Sir Sidney really cannot afford to walk human beings when hitters are hitting over .300 against him.

  581. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    ponson with the walks he thinks he can strike guys out….

    abreu has been near the wall twice, the first 2 times this year…

  582. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Maybe 99 means 99 days until Manny declares FA.
    It could mean 99 bottles of beer on the wall in his apt.
    Maybe 99 FM is his favorite radio station.
    Could be he has 99 illegitimate children.

  583. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Yeah Sidney, you’ve only gone 4+ innings giving up nothing. How dare you look at all human!

  584. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Come on Sidney – hold it together here!

  585. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Uh oh.

  586. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Who’s warming up.
    Sir Sidney getting tired?

  587. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    needs moar strikes pls

  588. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    well the real ponson has finally come out of the dugout to pitch

  589. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    we will see how the angels hot with RISP compared to our zillionaires.

    I forgot it is all luck.. my bad..

  590. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Oh dear

  591. Giambi's Stache August 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Shave Me!!

  592. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    At least Chone can’t steal first :)

  593. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    ruh-roh
    :(

  594. hanks the man August 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    can we through strikess pleasee. dam itt..

  595. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Well here it is… the Ponson inning.

    You knew it was coming.

  596. 34hughes August 1st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    two things finally ponson is finally exploding and abreu just purchased a ticket to take his ass out of ny

  597. Giambi's Stache August 1st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Are we allowed to say Ponson stinks yet?

  598. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    nausea is coming – get the freaking outs, please

  599. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    I hope you’re all listening to Paul O’Neill who said the exact thing I said at the beginning of the game. When your offense gives you nothing, you need to pitch perfect. Not good for any pitcher.

  600. 34hughes August 1st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    robertson warming up really quick

  601. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    “Yeah, that Arod is awful. Only leads the league in hitting.

    Damn him!”

    Don’t be spoiling rants with insignificant things like facts. You should know better than to lay a Fact Smackdown on people. :)

  602. Giambi's Stache August 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Big out there, get this guy and all is forgiven.

  603. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    HOUDINI!

  604. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    ….

    Harry Houdini.

  605. Bx is burning August 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Milagro!

  606. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    All of you naysayers – Sidney escapes the jam. Good job

  607. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    w00t

  608. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Sidney Ponson is the Houdini of baseball.

  609. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Wow

    Just wow

    Ponsanity reigns supreme for another inning!!

  610. Jeff NJ August 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Good job Sidney. I told you tonight would be a slugfest, both teams are playing like slugs.

  611. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    he gave you 5 shutout innings next base runner on base adios….

    wow Figgans looked like a Yankee…

  612. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    are you kidding me – no runs in!!! c’mon offense!!!!!!!!

  613. will August 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Maybe the offense can friggin do something god…

  614. ohgodno August 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    ARUBAN VOODOO

  615. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Holy Houdini
    Lemme put my bottle of liquid happiness down.

    We need to win this damn game. Score some runs!

  616. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    LA Yankees!

  617. mel August 1st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    What happened? video shut down and all the little red basepaths disappeared…

  618. will August 1st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    red sox up 1-0 still on the run bay scored.

  619. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Seriously, if Ponson’s pitching doesn’t motivate the offense to stop play like a bunch of Nancy’s, I don’t know what will.

    He just did what Andy could not do last night. How many more friggin signs do these overpaid hacks need to start using their bats for something other than baseball card pictures.

  620. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    There is no way that Sidney should have five scoreless, one-hit innings under his belt with a 2-12 GB/FB ratio and 4 walks. That shouldn’t even be possible.

    Send him out with a really short leash.

  621. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    “well the real ponson has finally come out of the dugout to pitch”

    “Well here it is… the Ponson inning.

    You knew it was coming.”

    “two things finally ponson is finally exploding and abreu just purchased a ticket to take his ass out of ny”

    “Are we allowed to say Ponson stinks yet?”

    The pride of the lohud blog. How freakin pathetic.

  622. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Its not pretty but, its 5 shutout innings against the best team in baseball. In a lot of ways, its all you can ask of the guy.

    Its too bad offense is such a struggle for this team because Ponson is giving them what they need.

    Hopefully, this is the inning they can get something going.

  623. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    I vote to not let Ponson go another inning!!

  624. pat August 1st, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    We need lucky tonight.

  625. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    I believe, Wilson! I BELIEVE!

  626. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Wow, that was kind of a downer.

  627. will August 1st, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    I thought jeter was up there for a second. Was it him?

  628. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Can’t blame Jeter for that GIDP

  629. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Not for nothing, Molina can hit into DPs. I thought Pudge was going to be bringing some offense.

  630. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    I miss Karstens.

    /sarcasm.

    But seriously, Pudge, I think John Flaherty was better than this.

  631. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    The problem is Ron the game isn’t just played with a stat sheet.

    Is the guy Cy Young? No. But, give him credit, he’s battling out there.

    I doesn’t mean he can do this for 20 starts. Tonight is all that matters. Its a game by game thing with the #4 and #5 guys in the rotation. Its all we can hope for right now.

    Geez, another DP. They are brutal with the DP’s this year. Its kills rallys everytime.

  632. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    will -

    #12,

    not #2 – :)

  633. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    :( that was a little bit disappointing.

  634. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Eight pitches?

    Hank Steinbrenner, this team needs you. Where have you disappeared to?

  635. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Another DP machine in our team, just great.

  636. will August 1st, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    The good news is, melky delivered like he always does.

  637. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Gotta start Ponson in the 6th. You can’t burn out the bullpen with a 5 inning start. They don’t have a day off for another 10+ days.

    You have to hope he has another inning in him. It will make things easier to manage re: bullpen use for the rest of the weekend.

  638. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    How shocking is it that Ponson has pitched better than Pettite did? That is shocking and disturbing all at the same time.

  639. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Back to work Sidney

    Baseball is a strange game.

  640. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    i love how people on this blog feel entitled to make fun of others, when they themselves are just as or even more negative ….

  641. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    “The problem is Ron the game isn’t just played with a stat sheet.”

    No, it isn’t. But If Ted Lilly were pitching, I’d be alarmed by a 2-12 ratio and four walks. Ponson’s pitching, and he’s supposed to be (and has been) a sinkerballer. He’s resembling a past-his-prime fireballer tonight, and he cannot keep this going. He has to actually PITCH better in his next start, or its Boston all over again.

  642. will August 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Calling Mr.Bonds Barry Bonds. We need someone to hit near 300 and pitchers pitching around you…

    Arod needs bonds hitting in front of him. They’d either have to walk bonds (like they always do) or pitch to arod with a man on most of the time…

  643. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    I don’t know that you should expect anyone coming into the Bronx to turn into Babe Ruth in one day. Unless you are really believing that Pudge will never hit again.

  644. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Looks like it needs to be Escape from Alcatraz – starring Sidney Ponson for one more inning.

  645. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Ponson pitching an incredible, gritty game and what does the offense do to respond? An 8 pitch 5th and barely a whimper. The offense being so weak is the reason we are where we are, NOT Ponson and Rasner. And Rasner and Ponson have each pitched good games this week and neither has gotten any run support.

    Last year’s offense scoring 6 runs a game and we’re already in first place with this year’s pitching.

  646. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Ponson is on his way out!

  647. Vrsce August 1st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Stop whining.
    The game is tied, not lost

  648. will August 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Why is he still out there? wtf

  649. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    “How shocking is it that Ponson has pitched better than Pettite did? That is shocking and disturbing all at the same time.”

    The defense behind Andy, while certainly not an excuse for the three-run bombs he gave up, was just abysmal. Ponson’s getting stellar glove work behind him, and from unlikely sources.

  650. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    oh boy

    Hope Girardi has a quick hook in this inning if need be.

  651. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Laura: It’s ust a little disturbing.

    The disheartening thing is that the offense has done nothing. I thought it was supposed to have gotten better at the deadline, and it looks horrible right now, outside of Bobby and X.

  652. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    warming in the bullpen?

  653. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    I swear the offense does this just because they don’t want Matt to have nothing to post about.

  654. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Ponson has Milky!

  655. will August 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    that was hit HARD lol

  656. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Nice DP!

  657. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Vlad looks like a Yankee hitter.

  658. Groundhoggator August 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    this is not real Ponson… – but we’ll take it.

  659. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    turnabout’s fairplay :)

  660. Bx is burning August 1st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Un otro milagro!

  661. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Wow! He somehow got thru 6!

  662. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Nice quick inning for Sidney.

  663. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Okay.

    So honestly, did anyone think Sidney would be two-hitting the Angels through six?

    Seriously.

    Anyone?

    Definitely not me…

  664. bill brasky August 1st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Sir Sidney slaying the dragon, I guess the offense must be the damsel in distress

  665. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Maybe if Angel had something to post about instead of starting a flame war every post…

    You contribute far more to the problems on this blog than anyone you continue to whine about, who unlike you, actually discuss BASEBALL instead of trying to bash everyone who doesn’t act like a cheerleader for not being a “true fan.”

  666. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Santana is actually a decent pitcher.

  667. ThecanoCannon (Second Half Record--9-4) August 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Griffy with an RBI single in his first plate aperrance as a white sox

  668. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Oh God. He’s going to get killed by the Rangers. Again.

    Another rocket.

    Well, everything went wrong in the field and on the mound yesterday. Just about everything’s gone right today.

    That’s baseball, I suppose.

  669. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Otro Milagro? Los milagros se acaban! I hope we get runs first!

  670. will August 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    I’m shocked. But it’s just typical :p Neither of the 2 can mesh together. hitting well and pitching well as of late.

  671. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    “a quick hook in this inning if need be”

    Silly me – who needs a quick hook when you have PONSANITY?! :)

  672. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    AWESOME job by Ponson.

    I also want to say that I am hardly the only person on this forum who has been supportive of Ponson and has recognized that he has done a decent job for the Yankees.

    Good work teammates!

    :)

  673. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    “The disheartening thing is that the offense has done nothing. I thought it was supposed to have gotten better at the deadline, and it looks horrible right now, outside of Bobby and X.”

    I continue to be baffled by our lack of offense. It’s just mind boggling. Just can’t wrap my brain around it.

  674. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    “You contribute far more to the problems on this blog than anyone you continue to whine about, who unlike you, actually discuss BASEBALL instead of trying to bash everyone who doesn’t act like a cheerleader for not being a “true fan.””

    You think what you do is discussing baseball? Truly?

  675. Phil August 1st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    I guess Pudge didn’t get the memo about how HoFers should function with their new clubs…

  676. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    6 innings, 2H 0Runs 4BB 1SO 87 pitches

    Um we need to win this game

  677. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    someone (on the Yankees) score a bloody run fer cripes’ sake!

  678. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    someone (on the Yankees) score a bloody run fer cripes’ sake!

  679. bill brasky August 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    i think the order breaks through this inning

  680. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    You who admitted that you have nothing to contribute on here when they are winning, because there is nothing to discuss?

    Okay.

  681. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    well how about that ponson and rasner in their last starts… 12 ip….2run…. 2 Er…. 2 walks… 6 Ks

    Pettitte in his last 12 innings

    16 hits 12 runs 10 er 11k 6 bb

  682. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Maybe we get lucky now!

  683. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    “So honestly, did anyone think Sidney would be two-hitting the Angels through six?”

    Rebecca, are you being serious with your question? Or are you asking literally if I thought it would be 2 hits as opposed to, say 5.

  684. will August 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    MR.DP is up!

  685. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Let’s think for a second Angel, which is discussing baseball?

    Angel- “Oh my god not again he posted another comment not kissing the butts of my favorite team and players!”

    Me- “The offense is not getting the job done and has missed opportunities by having bad at bats with runners in scoring position.”

    Tough one to figure out…

  686. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Oh, good grief!

  687. jake August 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    I am happy Ponson’s pitching a great game.
    And I am not happy Ponson’s pitching a great game.
    Ponsoschizophrenia?
    I’m happy because Ponson’s giving the yanks a chance to win.
    I’m not happy because this will encourage the Yanks to have faith in Ponson, and, to me,
    that’s dangerous.

  688. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Gah. Jeter.

  689. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    And Jeter pops out on the first pitch. Dumb and pathetic.

  690. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    No Dp yet! Bobby is good lately!

  691. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Pathetic AB by Jeter

    At least it wasnt a double play

  692. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Ron,

    Ponson is basically the #8 pitcher in the rotation. Wang, Hughes and Kennedy are all/out.

    For the #8 pitcher in the rotation, he’s done his job.

    Is it pretty? No. Is it shaky? Yes.

    But, what can we honestly expect from the #8 pitcher in the rotation?

    He’s pitched better than Beckett, Pettitte and Dice-K against the Angels this week.

    Would I want him to pitch a game with my life in the balance? No. But, for what he is, its hard to be critical in what he has brought to the table tonight.

    For the person who asked when will Girardi hit and run with Jeter/Damon, he just did.

  693. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    You contribute far more to the problems on this blog than anyone you continue to whine about, who unlike you, actually discuss BASEBALL instead of trying to bash everyone who doesn’t act like a cheerleader for not being a “true fan.”

    Angel is a problem on this blog? Really? Really?
    We must be in the twilight zone

  694. Groundhoggator August 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    another wasted out… at least it wasn’t gidp

  695. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    i just don’t get it…

  696. Jeff NJ August 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Offensively is it just me or is Ivan Rodriguez pretty much equivalent to Derek Jeter right now? GIDP’s, low power, decent batting average, speed.

  697. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Well, they can’t have combined for 2 walks, because Sidney’s walked four all by himself tonight.

  698. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Does someone need to commit ritual sacrifice to get these guys to score a run?

    Sidney Ponson just gave you six scoreless innings!

    SCORE A RUN!

  699. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    “Offensively is it just me or is Ivan Rodriguez pretty much equivalent to Derek Jeter right now? GIDP’s, low power, decent batting average, speed.”

    Speed?

  700. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    We gottan get some runs! Good luck Ponsy may be running out!

  701. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Rebecca – I’m with you – he’s been giving up 7 hits a start as a Yankee (and a couple of walks per start)

  702. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    cmon bobby hit one out….

  703. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    I’m about to go out and buy a live chicken.

  704. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Honestly Matt, some of your posts kinda sound like you know very little about baseball 0 outside of the MLB 2k8, that is.

    Anyone can state the freaking obvious over and over. Its not hard at all.

  705. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    What the heck will it take for them to score some runs? Voodoo?

  706. Merman Thunson August 1st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Congrats go out to Karstens, I hope he does great in Pittsburgh and beyond.

    Same best wishes go out for Ollie and Danimal.

    I had hopes for Tabata to be awesome in a yankee uniform, but with Pittsburgh, now I just wish him nice success, maybe a career like Cliff Floyd.
    Not too great because then the lamenting and whining of what we gave up would never cease.

    As for Sidney tonight, who knew???
    I was prepared to be watch an inning or two and then catch Step brothers, but now we gots ourselves a nailbiter.

    Who knows maybe Razz will pull a rabbit out of his hat.

    Also like Abreu slaying the bogey wall monster of his nightmares at least for tonight.

  707. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

  708. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    “Sidney Ponson just gave you six scoreless innings!”

    That is what makes this so heartbreaking.

  709. Confucius August 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Not only a quality start by Ponson now, but a two-hitter of a red hot offense. He’s making what Pettitte did last night look amateurish. Does anyone think Washburn would have done better than? Can you imagine what the reaction on this blog would be if we -had- gotten Washburn (for, say, Gardner and Aceves), and the Angels just picked up where they left off, shelling him and chasing him off the mound to a chorus of boos?

    If Ponson’s been ‘lucky’ then you ride that luck as long as it lasts. When it runs out, then you worry about replacing him with any of the options we have in the minors or on the waiver wire. There was no desperate need to absorb a huge contract and/or give up valued prospects.

  710. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Don’t you get it Angel? Are you really that dumb?

    There is no point in posting on here when they’re playing well. There is nothing to DISCUSS.

    They are playing well. They’re getting the job done, pitching well, hitting well, playing solid defense, we get the freaking point. You don’t have to make 15 posts praising each guy’s “clutch” home run up 10 runs!

    Not all of us sit here and act like cheerleaders all night. You come to a blog like this to DISCUSS, like a message board. When you see something that bothers you in a game, you come and DISCUSS IT. You point it out, and try to think of why it’s happening and how it can be fixed.

    When they’re winning, we watch the games and don’t waste our times posting here. You post here because you want to discuss things and see if other people notice it as well, and to have debates with fellow fans.

    I get the point, I’m not a “rah rah” cheerleader optimist. That doesn’t make me any less of a fan than you, and in fact by criticizing them, it shows that I care and am as much a fan as you are. Just because I CARE doesn’t mean I’m ruining “your” message board.

  711. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Sterling went into his homer call – such a tease! :)

  712. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    I knew that wasn’t going out, as much as I hoped. Didn’t get good wood.

    Damn, one dinger here and this game might be ours.

  713. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    ok lets try again…

    cmon alex lets get a single…

  714. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Doggone it! Maybe Arod will make a mistake and get a big hit for a change when we need it! Close play butn safe!

  715. Jeff NJ August 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Well maybe not speed, man look at his stats from 1999:

    35 HR’s, 113 RBI’s, 25 SB’s, .332 avg, .356 OBP.

  716. Annie Savoy August 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Nice thing about these nothing/nothing games is that they generally move right along. Don’t worry, someone will break loose and score – probably The Captain.

  717. Guiseppe Franco August 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Hank Steinbrenner, this team needs you. Where have you disappeared to?

    No, they don’t.

    An isolated and quiet Hank is a good Hank.

  718. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    “I guess Pudge didn’t get the memo about how HoFers should function with their new clubs…”

    Function? LOL. Catchers do tend to GIDP.

    Sit down Scoscia…

  719. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    “Well maybe not speed, man look at his stats from 1999:

    35 HR’s, 113 RBI’s, 25 SB’s, .332 avg, .356 OBP.”

    Wasn’t that like, 9 years ago? I mean, we’re talking about a 36-year old catcher. Speed?

  720. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    I’d walk A-Rod too. Makes sense.

  721. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Big G Time!

  722. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    If only Jason could hit a check swing ground ball!

  723. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Nevermind, misread your post.

    Just shows that Pudge was a hell of a player, PEDs or not.

  724. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Intentional walk to get to Giambi. Get mad, big guy!

  725. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Matt: You’ve never been on here when they’re doing well. There is plenty to discuss.

    Guiseppe: Night after Hank rags on the offense they score 18 runs.

  726. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    “Don’t you get it Angel? Are you really that dumb?

    There is no point in posting on here when they’re playing well. There is nothing to DISCUSS.

    They are playing well. They’re getting the job done, pitching well, hitting well, playing solid defense, we get the freaking point. You don’t have to make 15 posts praising each guy’s “clutch” home run up 10 runs!”

    How would you know? In all the time I’ve been posting on here, we’ve had plenty of great discussions when they’re winning games.

  727. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    The Yankees really need to take advantage of this good start by Ponson.

  728. will August 1st, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    That first pitch to giambi, if that’s to don mattingly.It’s 3-0

  729. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Yes. Giambi’s killing us with RISP. Only hitting .360 since he actually started hitting.

  730. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    If Ponson’s been ‘lucky’ then you ride that luck as long as it lasts. When it runs out, then you worry about replacing him with any of the options we have in the minors or on the waiver wire. There was no desperate need to absorb a huge contract and/or give up valued prospects.

    Now this is a perspective I can live with and respect – even if I consider it more than luck. :) Why look a gift horse in the mouth!

  731. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Well here we go. This is what Giambi is there for, to protect A-Rod. They pitched around A-Rod to get to him, now he needs to make them pay.

  732. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Please Big G-if you do something good here, I’ll run out and get you a new thong

  733. Giambi's Stache August 1st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    I only work when you dye me “Real Black”

  734. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    This is really just so sad.

  735. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    “Guiseppe: Night after Hank rags on the offense they score 18 runs.”

    They also got to face Warren Madrigal in his MLB debut.

  736. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    What is the point of arguing with people on a message board…who gives a crap what people say on a message board..Just ignore the comments and say whatever you want to say and if its a stupid comment deal with the blazing you get or dont make stupid comments..

  737. joshn728 August 1st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    When was the last time Jason Giambi got a hit? Better yet, when was the last time he didn’t strike out?

  738. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    No check swing luck! Warm up Edwar!

  739. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Get Giambi out of the five spot.

    Seriously.

    PONSON GAVE YOU A GEM! YOU MAY NEVER GET A PONSON START lIKE THIS EVER AGAIN AND YOU CAN’T SCORE ONE RUN?!

    Someone, please go out and buy that live chicken.

    Or something.

  740. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Verlander has been so bad this year that I totally forgot that he pitched a no hitter last year.

  741. Jack ( captin clutch is still alive! never give up on jeter ) August 1st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    shave the stache..

  742. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    “That first pitch to giambi, if that’s to don mattingly.It’s 3-0″

    I don’t know – isn’t he like 50?

  743. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Do you people seriously think this blog is a place where people come to praise everyone for a job well done?

    90% of the people are here to vent about the things that bother them in a game. They want to see that other people are mad too that the team is not playing well, that people care.

    You people are ridiculous. You think that just because everyone doesn’t agree with you that they’re not “real fans” and they are “poisoning” your blog. Get a grip.

  744. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    you figure the yankees batters would ge tlucky once in a while..

    I mean there BA with RISP is pathetic..

    I go to Edwar right now, I know it will not happen but I get ponson out now..

  745. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    “When was the last time Jason Giambi got a hit? Better yet, when was the last time he didn’t strike out?”

    How’d you forget his check swing RBI single?

  746. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    egads – this is a wierd game

  747. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    This is not a good idea, Girardi.

  748. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    I love Sidney but I definitely would have brought someone else in. Why ruin a good thing.

  749. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    ponson back for the 7th…. im crossing my fingers…CMON YANKEES

  750. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Wow. How ’bout that defense?

  751. JB-Playoffs here we come August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    my mlb.tv just went out…but that’s okay…i’ve got the radio feed, at least.

    This offense is pathetic, though. Ponson should be giving up 3 or 4 runs. And he didn’t, which is really great, but how the hell can they not score the poor dude any runs?

  752. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    So where’s the genius from before who insisted Giambi has nothing to do with A-Rod’s numbers with RISP? This ALWAYS happens. A-Rod gets walked because they know they can get Giambi. the A-Rod haters love to cite his failure with RISP but how about we cite all the times the bat is taken out of his hands too?

    I feel kind of wrong for wishing Nady could have PH for Giambi there, but I saw that strikeout coming a mile away. So did Santana and his pitching coach, that’s why Arod walked.

  753. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Is anyone throwing in the pen?

  754. bphill August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    wow, gold gloves are coming out tonight.

  755. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    For those who want to get rid of Melky…

    No!

  756. Groundhoggator August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    this has Darrell Rasner all over it… gulp…

  757. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    No arguing they pitched around Rodriguez there. Giambi is now 0-3 with RISP this game and that sure as hell ain’t going to get it done. Twice as frustrating because Ponson has been good tonight. You can’t count on this from him. They need to take advantage of it when they get it.

  758. Jim S August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Giambi really sucks. Please Please why did people vote this chump as an All Star???????

  759. joshn728 August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    “How’d you forget his check swing RBI single?”

    Oh sorry, when was the last time the guy made solid contact?

  760. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Trisha, I am going down to Florida tomorrow AM until Monday night to visit my mom. If I give you my email address can I use your MLB account to watch the Yankee games?

  761. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    boy, Baseball Tonight is full of Yankee web gems.

  762. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    well who said there wasnt a little bit of luck in baseball?

  763. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    At this point, we might be better of putting the Big Sexy in there instead of the Big G.

  764. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    There might be a reason Santana is 11-5 and has a 3.57.

    The offense being stifled is more understandable tonight than it was last night.

  765. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    MELKY!!!!

    Great defense behind Sir Sid from a very likely source! :)

  766. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    jeezus that was close

  767. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Matt: We don’t have problems with criticizing the team; we have issues when the *only* thing you do is criticize the team.

    Tell you what, make one post talking about the things the Yankees have done right, and I’ll get off your back forever.

  768. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    See Rebecca, you’re criticizing him too. Criticizing poor performance is not a sin. Giambi has been awful in the 5 hole and has given teams no incentive to not just walk A-Rod every time a base is open. Something should be done about it, such as reshuffling the lineup to get Cano or Nady up higher.

    And look, what a great catch by Melky and a great job by Ponson holding the Angels offense to zero while our offense flounders. See, I’m not just bashing everything in sight.

    That’s all you could ask for from a guy like Ponson- to keep your team in the game, and boy has he done that. Even if he gave up 2 or 3 runs today he pitched a great game, beyond what anyone could have hoped.

  769. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Seriously, there is this farm in South Jersey that I could get the chicken from. They even have goats there too.
    We need to break this offensive offense curse!

  770. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    One thing I would like to see Girardi do is get Giambi out of the #5 spot in the order. Its August 1 and he’s still under .200 w/RISP. He can’t drive in runs.

    Put Cano or Nady (when he gets back) in that spot.

    All teams are going to do now is walk or pitch around Arod to get to Giambi. He offers Arod no protection in the lineup.

    At some point, that move has to be made or Arod isn’t going to see a lot of pitches to hit w/RISP the rest of the way.

  771. Zach August 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    We need to get Giambi out of the five spot soooooo much. I say try nady he has hit very well of late.

  772. Jim S August 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    I remember so many people saying I’m voting over and over for Giambi. WHY????????????????????????????????????????

  773. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    It doesn’t ALWAYS happen. That’s a complete exaggeration. We could go situation by situation and I could show you how wrong you are.

  774. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    My daughter just asked me, and I don’t know, so I’ll put it out here – why do they call Ivan Rodriguez “Pudge?”

  775. Bx is burning August 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Bayron-

    Los milagros se acaban, o persisten?

  776. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    His luck continues! Unos nacen estrellados otros con una estrella al lado!

  777. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    They have to get some runs for Sidney. He has been great tonight through 7.

  778. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Wow. Forgot Gehrig, Sidney’s the Luckiest Man in the World.

  779. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    I think Ponson is at 94 pitches.

  780. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    I am in AWE of our pitching and defense.

    PLEASE offense – show up.

  781. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    c’mon Ponson – one more out…

  782. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    What happened to I-Can’t-Believe-It’s-Not-Sheppard?

  783. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Wow who is this PA guy? I mean, he has a great voice for announcing on the PA system, but it seems so weird hearing him there.

  784. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Ha haha, way to go BX!

  785. Annie Savoy August 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    He was much larger when he was thought to be on Steroids.

  786. Bonnie Tyler August 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    need a hero
    I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the end of the night
    He’s gotta be strong
    And he’s gotta be fast
    And he’s gotta be fresh from the fight
    I need a hero
    I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the morning light
    He’s gotta be sure
    And it’s gotta be soon
    And he’s gotta be larger than life!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Any takers????

  787. Vrsce August 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Pomson did a fabulous job. Not lucky, good.

    Accept that and be grateful.

  788. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Doreen, when he was on roids, he was definitely short and pudgy. When the drug testing went into effect, he came back to spring training slimmed down and told people he stopped going to Burger King!

    True story.

    :)

  789. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    christ – did ponson eat cy young for dinner?

  790. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Matt: There you go. :)

  791. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Pen for the 7th please girardi.. Ponson is at 96 pitch’s I think.

    edwar or Veras and then Mo..

    What is Giambi’s avg with RISP anyone have it???????

  792. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Hero? Of course I ROD!

  793. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Angel,

    Agreed. Santana is tough. He’s also a lesson as to why you don’t give up on a guy like Hughes.

    Santana went from playoff hero in 2005 to a guy who was in AAA for a spell last year. He was 1-10 on the road last year and pitched horribly all season.

    The Angels turned down several trades for him and stuck with him. Now, look what they have. An under 28 year old stud.

    That’s why you have to ride it out with young arms with great stuff. If they blossom, you have a gem. It just takes longer for some than others.

  794. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Isn’t it after Carlton “Pudge” Fisk?

  795. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    i meant 8th for the pen

  796. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    “Pomson did a fabulous job. Not lucky, good.

    Accept that and be grateful.”

    Vrse, I bow to you and I thank you. It’s so much easier for people here to play the fool rather than be stand up with their comments sometimes.

  797. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Well done Sir Sidney. Well done. Just a fantastic job tonight. He shut a lot of us up…for one night.

    Get a freakin run now

  798. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    You can’t ask for much more out of Ponson. He shut down one of the best offenses that’s been on fire in the entire league.

    However, you can ask for a lot more from this offense. They’ve missed many chances to give him a lead and a well deserved win. It’s not unreasonable to be upset with their performance at the plate this year.

    The pitching has been outstanding, and overachieved a bit, but we were expecting them to pound out 5 or 6 runs every night to make up for so so pitching here or there, and the fact that they haven’t has been the main reason we’ve been where we’ve been at times this year.

  799. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    I don’t mean to be overly negative. Last night, I actually counted on one of Sidney or Rasner to win a game for us.

    But Jason Stark needs to check this out:

    7 IP, 2 H, 0 ER

    96 pitches – 48 strikes, 48 balls
    4 walks/1 strikeout
    5/15 GB/FB ratio

    Has this happened before? That a pitcher has been so terrible and yet amazingly good?

  800. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Santana at 90 pitches. This will probably be his last inning.

  801. pat August 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Doreen

    He was short and stocky when he was younger. Still short now not so stocky.

  802. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    who mopped up after Britton last night?

  803. joshn728 August 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Wow..we can’t catch a break.

  804. joshn728 August 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Wow..we can’t catch a break.

  805. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    …He was safe.

  806. JB-Playoffs here we come August 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Hey, this is weird. According to Gameday, Ponson has got 48 strikes, and 48 balls. Not a great ratio, but hey, whatever works, right?

  807. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Wow.

  808. Jim S August 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    wow no blame Pudge comments

  809. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    For some reason, people think that Robbie is fast. Um, he’s not.

  810. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    wow he was safe…

  811. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    Cano can’t be THAT slow.

  812. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    that play just shows what a dick Cano is..

    he did not run hard, what a disgrace. he was safe but why the hell not run hard?????

    TERRIBLE..

  813. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    JAson is at 208 with RISP.

  814. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    He was out at first base, but the play itself was incredible to get him out and robbed him of a sure hit.

  815. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    why does betimet still play?

  816. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    CANO IS NOT FASTbut he did not run hard until the end..

    fine the jackass

  817. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    I don’t know that Robby did not run hard, but I do know that he is not fast. Melky, on the other hand, is fast.

  818. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    This lineup is just a mess. The bottom is a wasteland. What pitcher would be afraid to face this lineup?

  819. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    How close/likely is Matsui coming back to play?

  820. Kill-Schill(ing) August 1st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    How much does Joe West hate Cano? Don’t forget that call during the 2005 ALDS? WHo made it? Joe West.

  821. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Stuart, including tonight’s 0-3, Giambi is 20 for 99 with RISP this season.

  822. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    at least molina hits a double every so often….cmon pudge get it together

  823. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    I’d say this offense might make me cry, but then you’d all probably laugh at me.

    It’s still, however, giving me a stomach ache.

  824. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    again blind.. cano did not run hard the whole way. Where is the outrage????

    He is a moron…….

  825. Bronx Jeers August 1st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Um, who thinks that Cano is fast?

  826. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Griffey is already paying dividends. He singled in the lone WS run.

  827. Guiseppe Franco August 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Guiseppe: Night after Hank rags on the offense they score 18 runs.

    Pure coincidence.

    If you think these guys are motivated by the moronic rants of Hank Steinbrenner – you’re nuts.

    The players roll their eyes and chuckle when he speaks just like us fans do.

  828. Kill-Schill(ing) August 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    “who mopped up after Britton last night?”

    No one. He cleaned the Stadium up, spic and span.

  829. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Marte – really? I am not comfortable with this

  830. Confucius August 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Now it’s a battle of bullpens and timely hitting. The Angels have been dangerous in late innings this season. Let’s see how our revamped bullpen looks.

  831. lil' m August 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Even Ken Singleton is calling the Yanks out on their failure to drive in runs and wasting a great effort by Ponson.

  832. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Giambi’s batting .234 for the month of July.

    As for all of us who voted (and voted and voted) for him to get to the ASG, his BAs for May and June were over .300. He’s crashed and burned in July.

  833. Joe G August 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    This lineup is pathetic. I know most wont agree but Manny Ramirez would look awfully good batting 3rd for the yankees next year. Say what you want about his attitude but the guy could flat out hit and the Yankees need a hitter like him. Im tired of watching these guys not hit every night.

  834. sw (Keep Rasner!) August 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Shame Ponson isn’t going to get a win.

  835. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    lol – Thanks KS!

  836. Larry August 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Laura, I think Cano is pretty fast. He is an above average runner. Not Damon or Abreu, but pretty good speed.

  837. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    “Sidney Ponson is throwing a gem and I’ve, yet again, been proven an idiot. But I stil think the Yankees need to get another starter.”

    Pete, I think you’ve just proven yourself a hero, not an idiot. An idiot is someone who will continue to try to find any excuse to say Ponson doesn’t know how to pitch and tonight he was just lucky.

  838. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Ponson was really good tonight. I am sure he earned another start next week against Texas.

  839. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Filthy pitch there.

  840. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    I’m listening to the LAA transmission and they are as surprised as we are that Ponson threw 7 zeros!

  841. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    I bet a lot of people when the lineup was posted never though the words Seven Shutout Innings and Ponson would be uttered in the same sentence tonight.

  842. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Ponson’s performance tonight was what we needed from Pettite last night.

  843. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Damn. Marte looks nasty.

  844. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Anybody else shocked that there is only one player in the Angel’s lineup over .300?

    Especially after last night :)

  845. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Runs would be really nice. It would be really nice not to waste an unexpected gem from Ponson and at least get a team win, if not a win for him.

  846. Joe G August 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Yankees need to sign Manny next year. Forget about his attitude, he could flat out hit. This lineup is pathetic.

  847. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Sit down, Figgy.

  848. Bronx Jeers August 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Figgins looks like a young Willie

  849. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    “I’d say this offense might make me cry, but then you’d all probably laugh at me.”

    As someone who tears up easily I would never laugh at anyone who said they were close to tears.

    About Sidney not getting the win. As nice as it would have been, I think it is much more important that he kept the Yankees in the game.

  850. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    They will win tonight. It might take 21 innings, but they will win.

  851. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Marte means Tuesday, but he’s doing a great job for a Friday!

  852. Marc from Portland Maine August 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    This is your next 8th inning guy. Welcome Demarso.

  853. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Marte with a very impressive 8th inning. I wish the Yanks would score just 1 run this inning.

  854. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Angel, actually Ponson has historically done well against the Angels.

  855. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Wow, they are sending Santana out there again?

  856. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Daaamn. That was filthy. Marte is the man.

  857. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Dàmaso Marte: I am *so* not Eric Gagnè

  858. JB-Playoffs here we come August 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    That seemed way to easy. I’ll take it :)

  859. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    We need to hurry up and get a lead for Great Mo to make an appearance – if it is a tie, we only get Very Very Good Mo.

    Nice Job Marte!

  860. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Figgins looks like a young Willie

    I just noticed that

  861. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Welcome to NY, Tuesday!

  862. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    I wont even be picky. A run (singular) would be acceptable.

  863. Buzz August 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    MO for the ninth? im scared

  864. Bayron August 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Or Mars, Marte also means Mars! Maybe he’s an alien!

  865. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Now would be a good time for a Melky Cabrera HR just inside the foul pole in right field.

  866. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    thank god for cashman

  867. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    even that game vs TB I kept thinking it wasn’t Marte it was Moeller’s pitch selection

  868. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    “Dàmaso Marte: I am *so* not Eric Gagnè”

    :)

    I have to say we need to give credit to Pudge for calling a great game as much as to Ponson for pitching a great game.

  869. Lets try. August 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    “Marte means Tuesday, but he’s doing a great job for a Friday!”

    Actually Marte doesn’t mean tuesday, Martes means tuesday.

  870. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Come on, Melky. Look at a few pitches!

  871. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    It’s because Ivan Rodriguez was a fat little kid and as a catcher, he got the name from his neighborhood friends growing up, and, I’d guess that came from Fisk’s nickname.

  872. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    BAL *

  873. daver August 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    way to swing at the first pitch again Melky…

  874. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    grrr @ 1 pitch outs

  875. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Definitely no reason not to give Ponson another start.

    They don’t want to use Kennedy unless they are stuck. They aren’t convinced he’s the answer to anything.

    He has pitched better in AAA but not good enough to make them think he’s over his issues. There is also that minor attitude issue they had with him that some members of the Yankee inner circle are stick hot about.

    For what Ponson was signed to do, keep the team in games and give them a chance to win, he’s done his job in all but one start. Are they pretty? Nope. But, for whatever reason, its been effective.

    You ride it out until it ends or you find a better alternative.

    At this point in his career, I don’t think they believe Ian Kennedy is an upgrade right now.

  876. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    All we need is a blast…

  877. Todd August 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    TRASH the STASH……………my new Jason cheer!

  878. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    “Angel, actually Ponson has historically done well against the Angels.”

    Yes, but the people who rush to be the first to complain about the lineup daily – never notice things like that before they proclaim the game lost.

    The word Ponson is enough to make them lose it, lol.

  879. JB-Playoffs here we come August 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Someone explain that patience thing to Melky.

  880. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Way to work him over Melky!

    (sassing frasssing @$%^@$%^)

  881. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    that was damon’s pitch…

  882. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    They’re going to make Mo pitch in an 0-0 tie, aren’t they?

  883. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    I can’t believe that we haven’t managed to scratch out one run.

  884. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Is Rivera warming up to come into a tie game?

  885. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    DAMMIT :x

  886. pat August 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    I’m calling Jeter over the right field wall.

  887. JB-Playoffs here we come August 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Is Santana really pitching that great? I think we’re just beating ourselves, right?

  888. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Brandon – I heard somewhere that Mo didn’t think Moeller called a good game. So you may have something there about Marte’s rough outing vs Bal.

  889. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Just think, one day we could be getting outings like this from Joba and Hughes.

  890. JR Yankees August 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    “Seriously though, we have a chance tonight…I think we will all be surprised with Ponson tonight.”

    That was cut and pasted from my 5:06PM post earlier tonight.

    I don’t think anybody believed me then. What I didn’t realize was the offense never left the clubhouse this evening.

    Let’s go Yanks, this game can be ours. Do not waste this more than quality start from Ponson.

  891. Bonnie Tyler August 1st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Turn around bright eyes

  892. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Well, a scoreless game – is it technically a tie score if there’s NO score??????? :)

  893. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    jeter needs to steal here

  894. JB-Playoffs here we come August 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Thank God for Jeter.

  895. daver August 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    ok…let’s have Bobby hit a 2 run HR now…

  896. pat August 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    I was wrong.

  897. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    I do not want Mo coming into this game if its tied.

  898. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    “Yes, but the people who rush to be the first to complain about the lineup daily – never notice things like that before they proclaim the game lost.

    The word Ponson is enough to make them lose it, lol.”

    Doesn’t it drive you crazy though! I often wonder if people who love to complain would explode if they weren’t allowed to bitch!

  899. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Bobby Alex isn’t aggressive w/ inside fastballs so we need you to put up a run right here.

  900. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    OAK tied it up in BOS.

  901. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Two Words Bobby – CONTRACT YEAR!

  902. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Oakland ties it up

  903. The Final Tally August 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    1. Is it true that Jason Bay is 3 for 3 with 2 Homers and 1 triple and 2 steals?

    2. Mo will lose this game. Period. Please don’t put him in. He’s worse than Farnsworth in a tied game.

  904. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    CONO !

  905. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    JR Yankees – I believed you.

  906. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! August 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Is it true that Jason Bay is 3 for 3 with 2 Homers and 1 triple and 2 steals?

    hell no….

  907. lil' m August 1st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Whatever the outcome, Sir Sid has more than done the job tonight. And the offense continues to come up short . . .

  908. MrMulligan (Xavier in Pinstripes) August 1st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Okajima gives up the jack in the 8th…1-1

  909. Bonnie Tyler August 1st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    total eclipse of the heart

  910. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    I got a feeling Bet or Robi wins this game :?

  911. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    With an offense like that, they don’t deserve to be in the playoffs.

  912. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    YAY! Oakland just tied the score. 1-1.

  913. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Mo in a tie game…everybody pray to the baseball gods

  914. Bronx Jeers August 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Don’t ya hate all that point to the sky and thank god for a strikeout stuff

  915. JR Yankees August 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Thanks trisha.

    Now I feel bad for never supporting your Farnsworth club.

    Shame on me.

  916. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Its kinda funny and become a running joke for the most part.

    And it provides for some moments like JR, who go against the grain and are rewarded for it.

  917. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Let’s be fair: Santana is not some scrub. He’s a legtimately great young pitcher. But the offense has still done nothing with the opportunities they’ve had.

    I still say they are winning. They might score in the 22nd on catcher’s interference and three balks. But they are winning.

  918. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    oh please Mo – pitch like you’ve got the lead

  919. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Trivia question:

    When the Angels wanted to obtain A-Rod after the 2006 season, which players were they offering the Yankees? Wasn’t Santana one of them? Figgins?

  920. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    GI Joe if RISP happens for the Angels switch Damon for Nady

  921. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    I would have pitched Marte another inning.

  922. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    I hope Mo thinks that this is a save situation

  923. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Mo, man, strikes.

  924. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Well, if Mo tries to throw a curveball, we’ll know it’s Pudge’s fault.

  925. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Mo-pretend we have the lead.

  926. Merman Thunson August 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    please Mo break that non save situation mortality curse….please please, we don’t need the Angels in your head.

  927. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Strikes?

  928. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    someone quick tell Mo it’s 2-1

  929. daver August 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Oh No Mo

  930. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    “Trivia question:

    When the Angels wanted to obtain A-Rod after the 2006 season, which players were they offering the Yankees? Wasn’t Santana one of them? Figgins?”

    I’m not sure a real offer was really created.

    Mo, seriously, WTF?

  931. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    oh man

  932. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    …That’s his fifth walk all season.

    New rule: You can’t use shiny Mo in non save situations.

  933. Bronx Jeers August 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Here we go!

  934. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Is anyone else getting a funny feeling in their stomach?

  935. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    great now here comes the running game

  936. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    “Thanks trisha.

    Now I feel bad for never supporting your Farnsworth club.

    Shame on me.”

    That’s very sweet. Better late than never!

    :)

  937. YankeeJosh August 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    With Willets on first, I’d feel a lot better with Molina behind the plate.

  938. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Pete,

    I think offense is more dire with this team than a starter.

    If the offense was good, not great, just good, you could get by with what they have in the organization right now and work your way through games.

    Unfortunately, this team simply can’t hit with runners on base. So many black holes in the lineup in those situations, its done more damage to them than anything else (besides the injuries of course) this season.

    They tried to address it with Nady. Unfortunately, he’s not in the lineup tonight.

    Somehow, whether its a waiver deal, moving guys around in the order, or somebody getting hot, they have to find a way to hit the ball.

    When you look at the entire season, its really amazing to see how long the droughts have been offensively with this group this season.

    Who would have thought the strength of the team this season would be the bullpen and the weakness the offense? Certainly, not me.

  939. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Could someone please inform the home plate umpire that it is MARIANO F. RIVERA pitching for the Yanks?

    He seems to have confused him with someone who throws balls.

  940. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    i sense that joe will get grilled for this if we lose

  941. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    I hate baseball.

    That is all.

  942. will August 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    just wow..

  943. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    UNFRIGGEN BELIEVABLE…..mariano is awful in these situations..

  944. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    Oh for the F***n love of god !

  945. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    Oh crap crap crap

  946. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    are you kidding me – wtf with the non-save situations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  947. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    What is with Mo in non-save situations?

  948. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    Let’s go, Mariano.

  949. JB-Playoffs here we come August 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    I can’t blame Mo, though. He’s a closer. His job is to come in to save situations. And, like it or not, this wasn’t part of his job description.

  950. dontfirecash August 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    wow Mo, this is absurd

  951. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    I can’t even watch

  952. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Please get out of this Mo.

  953. Merman Thunson August 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    **curled up in a ball**
    why?
    why?
    make it stop
    I…I…I
    feel cold?
    mother?

  954. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    lets go strike three here mo

  955. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    None of htis is Mo’s fault. He got squeezed on the walk and Guerrerro hit a bloop. The real problem is the fact that he’s not getting in on these guys’ hands and keeping them from sticking the bat out and poking it.

  956. Tom August 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Well we can all go to bed, Mo in a non-save situation means Yankees lose! WTF!

  957. Howard August 1st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    MARIANO why the hell do you suck during none save situations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  958. daver August 1st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    ^%$&!!!

  959. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    im sorry but there goes the game. krod coming in and thats all she wrote

  960. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Don’t blame Mo.

    WE DID NOT SCORE A SINGLE RUN.

    Mo gave up a squeeze walk, a bloop, and an easy dp ball if the infield is back. Not his fault one bit.

  961. will August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    good game. Well let’s hope minnesota loses and oakland wins

  962. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Great, game over.

  963. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Well, maybe not with that winning thing…

    Can we petition to have the Angels traded to Siberia? PLEASE?

  964. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    This game is on the offense, and Mo’s going to get saddled with the loss.

    Is there any way we can give the loss to the offense?

    Because there is no !@$@#$ way we should lose tonight.

  965. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    That’s on Girardi. He knows that Mo sucks in tie games.

  966. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    All of the great pitching down the drain. This would be such a tough game to loose

  967. bphill August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    This is getting annoying, I never thought Mo would get on my nerves…its happening.

  968. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    We just can’t beat this team :(

  969. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    i think joe is a great manager but he has has many many questionable descisons this year.

  970. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    :(

  971. daver August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    i hate to say it…but the game is over.

  972. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    unfreaking believable…

  973. michelle b formely of sf now of oakland :-) August 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    well well well…mariano strikes again… vaunted career or not, this makes me mad…

  974. dontfirecash August 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    wow, I have just about had it with the offensive ineptitude of the 2008 Yankees…world’s worst offense

  975. will August 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    tampa is putting away the division. We have to focus on the wild card. That’s it.

  976. joshn728 August 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    That’s what happens when you don’t score. You give up one run and you still manage to lose…with the $200million payroll….

  977. MoBoy(aka McLovin) August 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Can’t they just trick MO and say they have the lead.MO is having a Fransworth moment.

  978. Vince Black August 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Ummm why didn’t Joe leave Marte in? …W.T.F.

  979. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Well, ballgame. Done in again by the dead bat offense and Mo scuffling in a tie game.

    Cashman’s #1 job is going to be to find 7 bats in the off-season. You can talk about pitching all you want.

    If you can’t hit, especially with RISP, you can’t win.

    This team simply can’t hit in clutch situations. Seven bats will be a must next off-season. They can’t bring back this same feeble group of hitters for another run at futility.

  980. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    how is this on Joe – Mo needs to be Mo regardless of the freaking situation…

  981. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    How crazy is it that Ponson pitched 7 shutout innings and Mo couldn’t pitch one. Another tough loss, with all the blame going to the offense.

  982. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    you are questioning bringing mariano in??

    If you are you are a total moron….

  983. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    when something does not work why do we keep putting it in there

  984. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    That’s on Girardi. He knows that Mo sucks in tie games.

    What’s he suppose to do, Mo’s the best arm in that pen, this is on Mo not GI Joe

  985. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Well he does need to get outs regardless. That is his job.

  986. 38HotDogs August 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    How is this Girardi’s fault? A 0 – 0 game in the top of the ninth is basically a save situation – this is on Mo

  987. rconn23 August 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Say goodbye to this season. Another disgraceful performance.

  988. daver August 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    who would have thought that ponson would pitch 7 shut out innings…and Mo would blow it??????????/

  989. Stanny46 August 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Has Girardi not watched the games this season when Mo was brought into this exact situation.

    That said, the offense is an embarassement!

  990. Buzz August 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    WOw just great

  991. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    and the mo curse continues.

  992. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    “i think joe is a great manager but he has has many many questionable descisons this year.”

    Bringing in the best reliever in baseball history to pitch the 9th inning in tie games is not one of them.

  993. yankeenate August 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    i think we are getting a good look at the 2008 World Series champs…Yanks can’t compete against this team. They have squandered too many quality outings by our less than quality pitchers.

    as phenomenal as Rivera is…not sure what’s up with him

  994. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    i sense an overhaul of the team come winter if we do not make the playoffs

  995. bphill August 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    How many chances do you think Ponson will give us a 2 hit shutout? None. Way to go Mo.

  996. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    this is sick. what a joke. baseball sucks :(

  997. will August 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    papelbum is in

  998. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    You know, I worship Mo as much as anyone, but I have no idea how you guys can say that this isn’t on him. He’s the one throwing the ball! It’s not like errors are being made behind him. He gave up the hits. That has nothing to do with the Yankee offense.

  999. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Unless the offense has a huge rally in them, which doesn’t seem likely the way they have sleep walked through tonight, they are in BIG trouble. When Ponson pitches 7 shutout innings, you damn well better win that game. You can’t waste games like this in a pennant race. The Rays are winning, the Sox probably will win even though Oakland just tied it since the A’s offense is weak, and we’re THROWING AWAY games.

  1000. daver August 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Tampa Bay is winning…we need to score!!!

  1001. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Arod’s pimp is pitching the 9th

  1002. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    “im sorry but there goes the game. krod coming in and thats all she wrote”

    K-Rod is not perfect by any stretch – cue Yogi Berra.

  1003. rconn23 August 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    This isn’t Girardi’s fault. It’s on the offense and Mo.

  1004. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    Girardi has to use Rivera in that situation. Geez, he’s at home and he is the closer.

    If they lose a 1-0 game at home, that’s on the offense, not on the pitching.

    You put your closer in this game 100 times out of 100. I don’t care what Mo’s numbers are. Its Mariano Rivera. You use him and not think twice about it.

  1005. dontfirecash August 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    anyone think the Yanks should make a run at Orlando Hudson this offseason? Robbie Cano’s suckiness is just too frustrating to watch.

  1006. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    when you cannot score you cannot win.. when you cannot get a big hit you cannot win.

    NO CLUTCH HITS ALL GAME ..ZIPPO..NADA.. ZERO…

    CANO WITH the nice hustle play and mo with the leadoff walk, the kiss of DEATH….

    This should be humorous..

    Get to see KROD do his celebration gyration on the mound.. But after seeing Beckett do it a few years ago and others it is becoming commonplace..

    YECH

  1007. Vince Black August 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    “i think joe is a great manager but he has has many many questionable descisons this year.”

    No I think he is an average manager, bullpen withstanding .And I would have to say he has made way too many questionable decisions this year.

  1008. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    i understand how great he has been. but when it has not worked all year long why keep doing it. keep him fresh for the 10th if we had kept it scoreless.

  1009. will August 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    first man in vs papsmear

  1010. will August 1st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    errr 1 on and nobody out vs papsmear

  1011. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    K-Rod is not perfect by any stretch

    He sure is perfect vs us in NY :?

  1012. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Can this team come back in the 9th? Oy
    Where’s my vodka bottle..

  1013. ck August 1st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    I understand what month has done in his career, what he means to the yankees, and how great of a year he’s having – but this is getting rediculous. At some point he has to start doing a better job of holding teams when it’s not a save situation.

  1014. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    time to see if this offense can respond now. No choice.

  1015. Joe Monte August 1st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Mo has a 1.33 ERA heading into tonight’s game, and it’s Mariano Rivera…it’s the right call all the time.

  1016. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    It was absolutely the right decison to bring Mo in. His job is to get outs – unfortunately he got them after a run scored.

  1017. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    “Well, ballgame. Done in again by the dead bat offense and Mo scuffling in a tie game.

    Cashman’s #1 job is going to be to find 7 bats in the off-season. You can talk about pitching all you want.

    If you can’t hit, especially with RISP, you can’t win.

    This team simply can’t hit in clutch situations. Seven bats will be a must next off-season. They can’t bring back this same feeble group of hitters for another run at futility.”

    Well, they aren’t getting rid of Cano, and Jeter isn’t going anywhere. Neither is Posada.

    Melky’s job isn’t safe. Abreu and Giambi are free agents. Damon might have trade value if you wanted to deal him. Matsui is coming back, and has no trade value.

    Cashman can’t make the entire roster disappear; it doesn’t work that way.

  1018. bavd in reverse August 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    it is NOT a save situation….not basically….it is NOT….MO has proven to be not that good in NON-SAVE situations and once again, he shows us that he needs to ONLY BE USED in SAVE SITUATIONS….Bring in another pitcher to start the inning….IF the dude gets in trouble, then BRING IN MO….MORONS !!!

  1019. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    All is not lost yet. But we can also hope for a Sux loss and a Minny loss if there is a problem in the Bronx.

  1020. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    SJ says it perfectly.

  1021. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    we’re already playing this inning w/ 2 outs..Frankie’s fastball is a pain for Alex and Giambi

  1022. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    This game is on the offense-they had their chances

  1023. daver August 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    come a-rod earn your $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!

  1024. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Is there a reason why K-Rod has so many save opportunties at this point in the season? Do the Angels just play more games that are closer games thus resulting in more save situations?

  1025. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    So let’s see… this guy only throws breaking balls in pressure spots. So let’s go up there guessing fastball and cheating. Yeah, that’ll work!

  1026. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    he looks overmatched

  1027. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    I thought Edwar was better than K-Rod according to certain experts ;)

  1028. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    The unwritten rule in baseball is that you bring your closer in for the 9th inning in a tie game when you are at home.

  1029. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    “anyone think the Yanks should make a run at Orlando Hudson this offseason? Robbie Cano’s suckiness is just too frustrating to watch.”

    He. Signed. A. Contract. Extension.

    Bitch and moan about the intelligence of that decision, but he’s going nowhere.

  1030. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! August 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    could we pinch hit for giambi?

  1031. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    does krod even throw picthes that are in the middle of the plate. everytime i see him he throws everything out of the strike zone. perhaps batters would fare better if they took pitches

  1032. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Laura,

    Its Mariano Rivera. The best closer on the planet. You are at home. You use him.

    You don’t burn out Marte for another inning or go to somebody else in the ‘pen.

    Coming into the 9th inning, they have scored exactly ZERO runs. That’s on the offense. Not the pitching staff.

    If he went to Veras, or kept Marte in for another inning, and the Angels scored a run, folks would yell, “How do you not use Mariano”.

    Girardi was correct in using Mo. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have an offense and its pretty tough to win when you don’t score.

  1033. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    case in point 5 pitches to arod zero real strikes, and then a bs strike call

  1034. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    “Is there a reason why K-Rod has so many save opportunties at this point in the season? Do the Angels just play more games that are closer games thus resulting in more save situations?”

    Yes.

    Friggin’ changeup?

  1035. daver August 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    nice job alex

  1036. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Funny, that changeup has been called a ball all night long for our pitchers!

  1037. Vince Black August 1st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    a change up on 3-2 damn……….k rod’s got some balls

  1038. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    “Do the Angels just play more games that are closer games thus resulting in more save situations?”

    Absolutely. They win a lot of one run games.

  1039. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Well that pretty much confirms that the Yankees will not make the playoffs.

    Ponson pitches brillently.

    Offense is its usual sucky self

    and Mo can’t hold the lead.

    There is no way this team wins more than 85 games or makes the playoffs.

  1040. Bronx Jeers August 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    “Mo has a 1.33 ERA heading into tonight’s game, and it’s Mariano Rivera…it’s the right call all the time.”

    Yes but everybody knew that there was a decent chance that Mo was going to lose this game. Why?

  1041. YanksFanLV August 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    I don’t know that there’s anyone on the team that looks worse/more uncomfortable at the plate right now than Giambi.

  1042. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    yanks need to re-learn the fundementals of baseball. homeruns dont always win games.

  1043. daver August 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    the stache stinks.

    have fun being a free agent jason.

  1044. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Well last out.. backs against the wall…

  1045. geO [Murderer's Row and Cano] August 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    It’s Pudge’s fault

  1046. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    What a surprise, A-Rod out again and Giambi lazy fly.

  1047. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Losing games like this sucks, these are the ones that comeback to bite you.

  1048. TKinDC August 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Cano goes yard here!

    (what’s the worst that can happen?)

  1049. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Games like tonight are the games you look back on at the end of the season and say:

    “If we just won a few of those, we would have been in october.”

    On a night where Boston and going to win and Tampa as well, where your worst pitcher gives you 7 shutout innings, and you can’t even scratch out one, this is a CRUSHING loss.

    They could get swept if they lose tonight. It could be really ugly, and a 1-6 homestand certainly pretty much knocks them to the verge of being out of playoff contention.

  1050. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    just disgusting…

  1051. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    man every yank going up there has homerun on their mind. :(

  1052. yankeenate August 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    this is possibly 2 losses this week to pin on Rivera (Tuesdays 7-6 game and tonight)

  1053. JB-Playoffs here we come August 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    And I’m stuck finishing the game via John Sterling…which I don’t mind. but…i missed the first 2 outs of the inning

    so it’s all on Cano.

    well, he better remember what his daddy told him

  1054. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    And for you ARod lovers out there. He is just terrible right now.

    Pretty much 1-9 sucks right now.

    Wow, 4 game sweep by the Angles, guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

    I am just pissed off right now. This team has no character whatsoever. They cannot fight off adversity to save their arses.

    Cano strikes out fishing for a slider. Game over.

  1055. Joe m August 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    R C took a pitch

  1056. Terri Francona August 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    GM posts $15.5 billion 2Q loss, third-worst in its 100-year history; Net profit = $227 during Quarter

    LOL

  1057. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    “Its Mariano Rivera. The best closer on the planet. You are at home. You use him.”

    Not when he has proven several times this year that he struggles in tie games.

  1058. PBL August 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    whiff, we are 59-50 with 53 games left. if we went 26-27 we would finish with 85 wins. That means we would underperform our winning % and run differential projections for what has historically been a second half team that has improved itself through trades recently. does that seem like a logical projection to you?

  1059. S.A.-I still believe in this team but can the offense stop being offensive? August 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    This game was just sad

  1060. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    K-Rod is an idiot. He’s acting like they just won the World Series.

  1061. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    I think it’s very possible that they don’t make the playoffs. When you have bucketloads of major injuries, guys who were being counted on utterly sucking, and two good teams in your division, that kind of thing happens.

    I also think it’s possible they will make the playoffs. Hell, they could win the World Series.

    The thing about baseball is that nothing is certain and nothing impossible.

    This is just ugly. In a very different way than last night.

    They’ve got to avoid the sweep.

  1062. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    This hurts more than last night.

    :(

    Now I’ll pray for a Sux loss and a Minny loss.

  1063. dontfirecash August 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Ron,
    when did the O-dawg sign a contract extension?

  1064. yankeenate August 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Will the real Yankees team please stand up? 8-0 to 1-5

  1065. Stanny46 August 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    I would rather lose 12-0 than these games.

  1066. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    the yanks need to sweep texas next week. the way this year is going its we either sweep a team or lose 2 out of 3, no middle ground

  1067. bobby mercer August 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    fruitbat strikes again!!!

  1068. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    This team is so soft. What a disgrace. Right now I am of a mind to just say f them. I’m so pissed right now and they always do this crap. total heartbreaker. AGAIN.

  1069. Pedro August 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    And Cano with the pop up to close this out. Great effort from our offense, yet again. They don’t deserve to be in the playoffs.

  1070. Rishi August 1st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Un-freaking-believable

  1071. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    What a team….

    Toronto is winning, Tampa is winning… welcome to 4th place very soon.

    The Yankees should be very proud. The trades have paid off enormously.

  1072. Vince Black August 1st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    “The unwritten rule in baseball is that you bring your closer in for the 9th inning in a tie game when you are at home.”

    Past performance is generally best predictor of future behavior.

  1073. PBL August 1st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    also, it’s tough to give up a 4 game sweep in 2 games

  1074. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Losing tonight is a disgrace. An embarrassment. There are no words in the english language that describe how angry I am right now, or how angry any real fan is tonight.

    We lost a game in which SIDNEY PONSON THREW A SHUTOUT.

    Pathetic.

    They have nobody to blame but themselves. ZERO RUNS.

    1st and 2nd, no outs, first inning, pitcher on the ropes, and no runs. 0-the game with runners in scoring position. The offense is the main culprit and look, unless they hit like a major league club, they are NOT going to make the playoffs.

    The season is not over after tonight, but it will almost be soon if they don’t start playing like they care. They are lucky to not already have their season over. If Boston weren’t playing as badly as us our season would already be over and we’d be buried 4 or 5 out right now.

    A 1-6 or 2-5 homestand is pretty much asking to be buried. So far they haven’t, but Boston is playing the hapless A’s, so they will be soon if they keep this up.

  1075. Jim S August 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    1-5 last six games. Pathetic. Should have been sellers.

  1076. Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club) August 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    “Ron,
    when did the O-dawg sign a contract extension?”

    He didn’t. However, Robinson Cano did.

  1077. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Really bad loss. Wasted a great performance by Ponson. Had to take advantage and win this one.

  1078. Pat M. August 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Lead off walks have been a kiiller since this game was invented…..And it still is….

  1079. Michael T August 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Your 2008 Yankees- inventing a new way to lose every single 1-run game. The Yankees run differential is only 13 runs worse than the Angels. But they’ve won 10 fewer games.

  1080. Marc from Portland Maine August 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    SJ,

    I usually respect what you say, but given Mo’s history of giving up a run in non save situations shouldn’t Girardi try thinking out of the box in a game like this?

    It seems to me has options.

  1081. ian Nobody August 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    AFRAUD! This guy is nothing but a compiler. Compile RBIs and HRs when the team is ahead by 5. What a great player this guy is……NOT.

  1082. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Not when he has proven several times this year that he struggles in tie games.

    That excuse is getting old MO is human but he needed to come up big there. Especially knowing Alex can’t walkoff a game in 2008 and Giambi has no chance vs K-Rod… MO choked this one. And I’m it’s getting freaking tiring w/ Alex in these gamebreaking situations.

    HORRIBLE LOSS

    Goats all around.

  1083. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    texas tornato are surging and if the yanks dont win say 3 of 4 next week vs texas they will be three teams back in the wild card

  1084. E-Man August 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    I hate the offense this year. Girardi needs to rethink his game plan. this crap doesn’t work.

  1085. sdjohn August 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    I beleive Sunday you will see the 1st ever – runs scored game. And the Angels beat the Yankees 0- -1.

  1086. sunny615 August 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    nope.

  1087. Patrick â„¢ August 1st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Possibly the worst loss of the season right there…

  1088. rconn23 August 1st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Cano has stolen money this season.

    Wow. Just awful. This team will be swept for sure now.

  1089. eric in australia August 1st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    This just sucks.

  1090. E-Man August 1st, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    It’s ok though.. Just remember..

    It’s only August.

  1091. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    the yare just better then the Yanks.. COuld you imagine what sciosca would do to Kendrick if he got thrown out at first because he dogged it???????????

    Good AB’s in the 9th from our big 4,5,and 6.. I forgot the change excues was working on MY9… KROD did his gyration on the mound as Cano sulked his lunge AB and Arod watched strike 3 go by.. I do not complain at Giambi because he is hopeless.

    9 games above 500 and looking like old men gainst the ANgels… Not only did we lose tonight but because of his start we hve to watch Ponson at least 1 more start.. IF he would have gotten bombed and they lost at least maybe they would have contemplated making a change..

    BTW these losses are at home.. 4 of 5 losses at HOME>>>>>>>>>

    Thank god no post game but I will give you what they will or would have said.. Man santana was tough, we had good AB’s, and tht is baseball what can you do…That is pretty much the standard excuse.. Man it is amazing many many pitchers have good stuff when they face the Yanks!!!!!!

  1092. best player August 1st, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    I dont really mind that he always looks so orcinary in big spots. I dont really mind that he gets shutdown when its a close game, but geez, did you see what he swung at tonight? Doesn`t Arod know the strike zone yet? He swung a so many bad out of the strike zone pitches against Santana, then swung at at least 1 and possibly two pitches that were balls.
    The superstar should at least know the strike zone

  1093. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    we face weaver and lackey the last two games, and joba does not pitch. :(

  1094. t August 1st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    A Rod dissapoints again. Outscored 1-0 with Mo pitching what can you do. Figured this would be an automatic loss with Ponson pitching but now down 2-0 in the series it looks like the Angels are going to sweep sending us 5 games back at least by the end of the series.

  1095. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Arod .323 AVG can't buy a hit w/ RISP) (X-factor my ***) August 1st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    K-Rod is an idiot. He’s acting like they just won the World Series.

    He can do whatever he wants, point is he owns us like Vince McMahon owns his wrestlers.

  1096. E-Man August 1st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    “Possibly the worst loss of the season right there…”

    lol that’s been just about every loss this season!!

  1097. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    There is no question in my mind that we’ll make the playoffs, as outrageous as that probably sounds to a lot of you. But we need to work up some energy and get on a real hot streak so that we have momentum going into the playoffs. I think the Rays will eventually burn out and that the Angels won’t stay hot forever.

    Still, losses like this really hurt anyway.

    :(

  1098. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Ron,

    Don’t be so sure about Cano. As far as value is concerned, he has the most trade value on the team. I’d entertain offers for him and if I can get two productive players in return, I’d make that move and not think twice.

    The team is too terrible offensively to stay in this race much longer.

    Its amazing to me to watch the futility of this offense every night. Tonight, you could say, done in by Ervin Santana.

    But, what about Daniel Cabrera? He’s awful. 7-13 at home against the Orioles, Tigers, Indians, Reds and Royals. all because this offense can’t hit a lick.

    Too many former stars with big egos who refuse to make adjustments.

    Oh well, at least Ponson pitched well. Hopefully, they score one run tomorrow. You would hate to see them get shutout for the entire weekend.

  1099. dontfirecash August 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Ron,
    With Robbie’s reasonable contract, he could easily be traded. I realize that would be selling low on him, but if he keeps up this level of play, we don’t really know what we are going to get in 2009 from him. Are the Yanks going to get the 05-07 Cano who raked, or the 08 Cano who couldn’t hit a meatball thrown by my grandmother.

  1100. ian Nobody August 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    AROD is a guess hitter. The guy has so many 3 pitch strike outs its not even funny.

  1101. David Cone's Labrum August 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    I smell another lineup shuffle.

  1102. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    whiff, we are 59-50 with 53 games left. if we went 26-27 we would finish with 85 wins. That means we would underperform our winning % and run differential projections for what has historically been a second half team that has improved itself through trades recently. does that seem like a logical projection to you?

    It does. And I agree with the projections. But you are discounting the 1 big factor. This team has underperformed all year.

    Jeter, Giambi, Arod, Cano, Cabrera, Abreu are all so lost at the plate right now they wouldn’t know a strike if it hit them in the head.

    The other factor is that they are the Yankees of 2008. The most consistent thing about them is that they are inconsistent.

    They can’t beat Baltimore, Tampa, Toronto. Still have games against Anaheim, Chicago, Detroit…They would actually have to play to the level of all our expectations to make the playoffs. Just not happening with this team. There is no chemistry, no fight, simply a bad baseball team – in terms of fundamentals, hitting, defense, and occasionally managing.

  1103. j August 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    big monent in boston 2nd and third and two down

  1104. Patrick â„¢ August 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    “lol that’s been just about every loss this season!!”

    Uh.. no not really.

  1105. Joe G August 1st, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Absolutely pathetic. If that idiot Cashman has a brain the first signing in the off season should be Manny Ramirez. Say what you want about his attitude but the guy comes up big when it counts, period.

  1106. Laura - Every game is a must win game! August 1st, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    BOS had the winning run on 3rd, but didn’t score.

  1107. Guiseppe Franco August 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    SJ,

    How do you propose Cashman is going to find 7 hitters over the offseason unless he depletes the farm and DFA guys under contract?

    C’mon, you are obviously an intelligent fan – but that’s ridiculous. And you know darn well that’s just not possible.

    I’ve said all season that they need to let Abreu and Giambi walk at the end of the year – and Matsui and Damon next year – but they can’t do it all in one swoop.

    We’re all frustrated by this team’s lack of offense. But at least be sensible about how they can fix it.

  1108. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    This is the worst loss of the year, and knowing their lack of heart and fight, probably one that they will have a very hard time recovering from.

    Then again, they don’t care enough to put together good AB’s in a 0-0 game in which PONSON of all guys is pitching a shutout, so why would they care enough about tonight’s heartbreaker?

    When you lose games like tonight, you simply aren’t good enough. Simple as that.

    The trades could not fix the main problem of the team- the lack of heart. That can’t be fixed by bringing in an over the hill catcher, a reliever, and Nady.

  1109. JR Yankees August 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Worst loss of the season. I would have rather lost 20-0 to a perfect game pitched by a blind man with one arm in a wheelchair.

    All this mix and matching, lefty/righty, don’t step on anybody’s egos crap has got to stop. Girardi needs to set the lineup based on what peoples’ abilities are regardless of how many lefties end up batting in a row. It’s August 1st and it is obviously not working.

    Enough is enough, rattle some players and try something different. Field the best team every day even if it means they are all lefties facing a lefty pitcher. This is bull.

  1110. PBL August 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    I’m not sure that mo’s splits in non-save situations this year represent a statistically significant sample. in fact, i’m sure they don’t. over his career though, these splits aren’t as dramatic, so i think the logical conclusion is that it is a random differential.

    also, people seem unable to comprehend the fact that teams go through cycles. I think ours are worst than most, and it frustrates me as a fan, but worst case, we will be 2.5 out in the wild card with 53 games left, which is not a bad position, especially when you consider that we have been a second half team and that we have improved our team recently. i understand it’s a frustrating loss, but projecting cyclical trends through the end of season is stupid, we aren’t in bad shape, especially relative to the past few seasons.

  1111. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    SJ44, you do this the overreact.. first of all nothing would be done until the offseason. .2 they are going to have a new 1B, Rf, already next year for sure….

    the thing that bothers me are the bad AB’s the Melky 2 and 0 flail. the cano out at first was on a 2 and 0 count.. he dogged it to first in a no score game………..

  1112. CaptainsCorner August 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Can Girardi please treat Mo like the garbage that he is in a non save situation??!! Girardi should of shown that he has some guts and pitched Veras in the 9th inning!! Is there 1 person who really thought that Mo wasnt going to give up a run?? I knew he was…He turns into Farns in those situations. I mean seriosuly he has been absolutey awful in those situations. I dont care how good he has pitched in a save situation in these games that are not he is dreadful and you cant count on him!!

    This offense if that is what you want to call it..is a disaster!!! They do not know how to hit decent or good pitching…Santana was decent today nothing special. But they do not know how to hit with RISP and lay off the slider 50 feet off the plate…Tonights game is EXACTLY what you have and will see in the post season. They just can not hit decent pitching..Arod looked awful and swung at sliders in the dirt all night and Giambi has no bat sppeed anymore. The only games this year where they have scored more then 2-3 runs in a game is when the pitcher has nothing…otherwise they tip there cap and look like crap.

  1113. what? August 1st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Abreu?? Isnt he leading the team in RBI? I`ll take him over AROD right now

  1114. MrMulligan (Xavier in Pinstripes) August 1st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Ortiz-Lowell-Bay

    BoSox 3-4-5: 0-9, 1 run

    If we had 1/2 the “team” of previous years it would be ovah…damn ’08 Yanks.

  1115. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    I don’t think we are going to get swept. We’ll take the next two games. Sure it sounds like pie in the sky. But anything is possible.

    :(

    Sux in extra innings.

  1116. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    And we have 8 more games agianst this team, and they are defeated before they even start any team the halos are on the field.

    The 10 games against the Angels will knock us out of the playoffs if they don’t already do that to themselves by losing to sub .500 teams at home (Baltimore) and throwing away game after game to “experiment.”

    Every game they lost in May by playing like total garbage is a game that they MUST WIN now, and this team is not good enough to win that clip.

    They’ve THROWN AWAY the last season of Yankee Stadium with the most embarrassing, heartless team since the early 90′s Yankees. It must really tick them off to know they’ll go down as that in the last year of the stadium… oh wait, they don’t even care about anything besides their money!

  1117. abreu August 1st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    Isnt Bobby leading the team in RBI?
    I`ll take him over #13 right now

  1118. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    When you score 0 runs, I don’t care what Mo did, you don’t win games.

    If Mo pitched a shutout 9th, and they still don’t score, they are eventually going to lose the game.

    Shutout at home is on the offense. Not on the pitching.

  1119. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    this is not even close to the worst loss of the season.. the orioles 7 to 6 a few night ago was a worse loss by far..

    they lost to the orioles in that game..

    SJ man with the overreact… there not very good.. the man reason is they cannot get any cutch hits.. they are still 3rd worse in the league in that category.

    the Angels have a lower ab, lower , obp, and lower slugging but they find a way..I FORGOT CLUTCH HITTING IS A LUCK, THERE IS NOT A BIG ENOUGH SAMPLE SIZE TO SAY GIAMBI HITTING UNDER 200 IS A ACCURATE MEASURE IT IS JUST ONE OF THOSE YEARS…..

    9 above after going 13 above and going for the sweep last sunday against the sux.. but girardi did not go for it because he thought he was playing with the houses $$(should have pulled the lug earlier) and since then a horror show that includes 1 and 4 at home….

  1120. sdjohn August 1st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    The offense looks as lost as Rosie O’Donnel in a healthy food section.

  1121. JB-Playoffs here we come August 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    No comment.

    No fricken comment.

    Girardi better have a long talk with these guys, because this is pathetic.

    You’re supposed to be a great offense, score some fricken runs.

    That said, the only games we’ve lost are the ones we’ve played (and lost).

    So all of you shut up that they were swept at home, if you hadn’t noticed, they still have 2 games left.

    I don’t give a crap who they’ve got pitching, we’re supposed to be able to hit them anyway, remember?

  1122. trini August 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    trisha- fruitbat sux

  1123. dontfirecash August 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    sdjohn,

    line of the night right there…

  1124. Matt August 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    People will say ridiculous things like “oh, well it all means nothing come October.”

    Well guess what, unless they get their act together:

    THERE WILL BE NO OCTOBER FOR THEM.

    The Indians were 0-6 against the Yankees and beat them last year in the playoffs,

    BUT

    They had SABATHIA and CARMONA and HOMEFIELD. We would most likely make it as a wild card, and it’s not just one streak where we go 0 for against a team, the Angels ALWAYS have our number.

  1125. Marc from Portland Maine August 1st, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    But SJ, it’s not about the blame game. You want to win, you make it happen any way you can. Throw the fracking rules out and improvise. That’s a managers job. To think ahead of the game and not go by the damn book!

  1126. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    again enough with the offense being good that is history..LOOK AT THE #’S.

    this is not a good offense…….

    they are 13th or so in runs scored the only measure that counts……

    THIS IS NOT A GOOD OFFENSE….BECAUSE THEY ARE UNCLUTCH OR AS MANY OF THE SABERMORONS say JUST UNLUCKY FOR THE WHOLE YEAR ALMOST THE WHOLE TEAM……

    After all 106 games is not a large sample size……..

  1127. lil' m August 1st, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    SJ44, everything you said makes sense. But it seems as though with RISP, the entire lineup is a black hole. Cano, Jeter, Giambi, A-Rod, Damon, Abreu and Melky have all been major contributors to this persistent offensive drought.

    It also manifests in the virtual absence of come-from-behind wins this year. The 2005, 2006, and 2007 teams were all flawed, but at least they could overcome deficits to win games. Even the relentless tide of injuries doesn’t account for it either, since they have to put men on base in order to have a RISP opportunity. (Abreu, Arod and Big G, we’re talking to you.)

    And given that Wang has missed most of the season and they got little out of Kennedy and Hughes, they’ve gotten way more good starting and relief pitching than anyone could have expected. It’s the hitters who have been failing consistently, not the pitchers. (Scary addendum: Joel Sherman saying in the MY9 postgame wrap-up that they’re closer to fourth place now than third.)

  1128. SJ44 August 1st, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Guiseppe,

    How to do it? Simple.

    Jeter, Arod, Nady and Posada are back next year. That’s a start. You look to deal Cano. You will get two good players for him. At some point, his act just gets old. His numbers across the board have declined since 2006.

    This week, he added lazy defense to his lack of hitting. Three weeks of offense does not a season make. Deal him, get 2 players in return and move on.

    He has a friendly contract and somebody will look to resurrect him.

    You don’t re-sign Abreu and Giambi. You get rid of Betemit. Those are no brainer moves.

    You trade one of Damon or Matsui for another bat.

    They can find hitters. They have money and assets to find 7 bats. Even if 2-3 of them are guys that come off the bench and can hit.

    What they can’t do is think this is an aberration and next year will be better. It won’t.

    When guys are in decline, they decline.

    They can find offense and they the parts to do it. It should be their #1 priority in the off-season.

    I’d gladly take my chances with Wang, Joba, Pettitte, Moose and whomever they find for the fifth slot before I see this lineup back in play next year. Its just an awful hitting team. At some point, you have to change it. Hopefully, its done in the off-season.

    Nady was a start. They just have to keep it going from there.

  1129. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Well for anyone’s whose interested, Sux game going into the bottom of the 10th. So if Oakland get out of it I would assume that Papelbum is through for the night…

  1130. MrMulligan (Xavier in Pinstripes) August 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    Does anyone think Girardi is overwhelmed and too enamored with Yankee Past to make intelligent decisions?
    Crying when we trade Krazy Kyle? (Perhaps the worst set-up man ever employed in Pinstripes?)
    Refusing to sit Giambi, playing Betemit or move Jeter & Abreu down?
    How about Cano up to 3? (I know he is back in a slump BUT like it or not we have to find out if he’s our future.)
    Hell, ’08 SUXS…

  1131. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    I’m listening to Waldman and Sterling (I have no television postgame) and Waldman said that Girardi said he would not use anyone but Mo in that situation.

    So there you have it.

  1132. these aint torre's yanks August 1st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    trade mo. this is fricking stupid. for the money he gets he must perform better in these situation it is not acceptable. try veras. try marte. try britton. mo just cant get it done in non save situations. very embarrasing. we’d better sign krod in the off season becasue mo is cooked

  1133. dontfirecash August 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    I kind of wish that Cano for Kemp and Lowe rumor had come to fruition.

  1134. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Trisha,

    I heard that too. That’s the move to make at home. Mo blamed it on the leadoff walk. I agree with Girardi that the Yanks probably lost it in the 1st inning when they did not push a run across with 1st and 2nd and no-one out.

  1135. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    SJ ‘s suggestions are not bad.. Damon or Matsui but more Damon could get something in a trade.. Damon is still a very good player and under contract for only 1 yr at $13 mill the same contract Matsui has..

    Yea Cano is a head scratcher… My dad went to the game that Joba pitched and mentioned something about Cano’s defense, I said it is the shirts that make it hard to see, he said he looked lazy who the hell knows.. Usually Cano has great range…

    ABreu should not be back under any circumstance, they need grinders….NO MORE PRETTY BOYS…….

  1136. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    Fran, all you can say is that it is beyond frustrating to see the Yankees have a scoring threat like they did and have nothing to show for it. You want to think they’d play small ball, try to bunt someone over, play hit and run, do whatever it takes. But sometimes they look like they are frozen in place. I know Santana is an effective pitcher, but not even a run?

    Just very sad and very frustrating.

  1137. Doreen August 1st, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    Mo’s quirky stats notwithstanding, bringing him in is the right move.

    But there definitely needs to be some retooling of the offense. There is no time left to worry about egos and history and all of that. I hope that Girardi will try to do something a little different, and all the rest be dam-ed.

    Considering all the injuries, and the unmet expectations in the starting pitching, the Yankees are still not out of it. But unless they’re willing to throw caution to the wind and try ANYTHING with the offense, it won’t matter.

    Is Jeter in decline or just having an awful season? What about ARod? Last year as clutch as clutch could be and this season, more often than not he’s not helping in games like tonight’s. Cano? Melky? It’s like there’s something in the water over there. And no one really stepping up to “carry” the team.

    SJ44, you said earlier in the season that the worse they perform the easier it becomes to make some moves. That is sure true at least from fan standpoint – when the love is gone, you kick ‘em out the door! I think the moving of Kyle Farnsworth has given a clue that the Yankees will move a player they like personally if it has a chance of helping the team overall. After all, players have come and gone since the inception of the franchise, and the franchise goes on.

  1138. sdjohn August 1st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Here is the deal. We are not nearly as good as our 8 game winning streak and we are not as bad as losing the last 5 out of 6. We are right in the middle. We are an 85 win team and that’s about it. Alot of inuries, a lot of under performing, alot of older players. We need to address our starting pitching, and get out from under those horrid contracts. All will be fine next year.

  1139. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Wow is Oakland lucky. Bases loaded for the Sux with a 3-2 count and Lowrey hit a fly out.

  1140. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Trisha – it was sad and frustrating, but we’ll get ‘em tomorrow.

  1141. trisha - charter member of the GO YANKEES! game thread August 1st, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    I’m with ya Fran. We’ll take the next two and get ourselves back on track.

  1142. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    2 on zero out in the first abreu swings at a ball at his ankles and a fott inside.. then arod I think K’s, and then giambi weak fly out to 3rd..

    again there big stars have not done ther job all yr.. Damon has overachieved or done what is expected that is it offensively…..

    out of about 15 possibilities that is it Damon only..

    jeter, jorge, arod, abreu, giambi, cano, cabrera, betemit, matsui, gardner, duncan, whomever no one hs done there job except Damon and he missed 16 games or so and there is your story.. they are starting 2 bums(rasner and ponson) and the sad thing is they have actually pitched games they did not win that they should have like tonight……

    the pen has performed well and moose and job have exceeded expectations..

    IT IS ALL ON THE INFAMOUS OFFENSE. THey have not produced….

  1143. Fran August 1st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Trisha – I’m out for the night. Have a good night. See you tomorrow.

  1144. bavd in reverse August 1st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    I so hate the Angels

  1145. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    sdjohn is probably right.. older guys and underperformers..

    do not make the mistake next year with stupid long term deals for declining players..

    no warm spot for guys like abreu, giambi, moose, who should not come back.. Moose has been great the guy is 39, he is a gamble not worth taking..

    Pettitte at 36 for 1 yr at a reduced salary is a yes to me…

    YOUNGER, FASTER, MORE CONTACT HITTERS

  1146. Jim S August 1st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    team has now lost 5 of 6 games. noone wants to mention that

  1147. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    If you hate the angels imagine living in LA and having to listen to there telecasts.

  1148. stuart August 1st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Jim I mentioned it and 4 of 5 at home.. they play 10 more road games the rest of the way then home games..

    the yanks are now 4 games above 500 against winning teams…….

    5 games above against losing teams..

    this is the most dissappointing teams in years I guess when you make the playoffs 13 yrs. in a row that does not mean much but the team with small and chacon did not have as much talent as this team…….

  1149. Marc August 2nd, 2008 at 2:42 am

    This isn’t just a damn coincidence any more. Mo can’t pitch in non-save situations. Why the hell does Joe keep putting him out there when they don’t have a lead? It is ridiculous how many times this has happened this season. It has cost them two out of the last three games!

  1150. peterk August 2nd, 2008 at 10:02 am

    When is someone, anyone going to be critical of Jeter? He’s really not helping this team at all.

  1151. peterk August 2nd, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Someday Jeter is going to come thru for this team instead of resting on his laurals

  1152. Mike S. August 2nd, 2008 at 11:13 am

    No Livan. His numbers across the board have gotten progressively worse since 2004.

    199 H in 139+ innings this year? 5.48? WHIP over 1.6? No.

  1153. JimDC August 2nd, 2008 at 11:43 am

    “When is someone, anyone going to be critical of Jeter? He’s really not helping this team at all.”

    There is plenty of finger pointing to go around and Jeter is not excluded. I cannot remember the last time Alex Rodriguez had a meaningful hit but I can remember a number of pathetic strikeouts. If anyone has any doubts of how important Matsui-san was to this team you only have to look at a game like last night: not one clutch hit.

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