Game 109: Angels at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 01, 2008 
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YANKEES (59-49)
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi DH
Cano 2B
Betemit 1B
I. Rodriguez C
Cabrera CF
Ponson RHP
ANGELS (68-40)
Figgins 3B
Izturis SS
Teixeira 1B
Guerrero RF
Hunter CF
Anderson DH
Kendrick 2B
Rivera LF
Mathis C
Santana RHP
Sidney Ponson (6-2, 4.59) vs. the Los Angeles hitters.
Ervin Santana (11-5, 3.57) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: Thanks to Jeff Gold for calling in the lineup. … Betemit is 0 for 3 with two strikeouts against Santana. Xavier Nady has never faced him before. Betemit is hitting .196 since July 1 with 16 strikeouts in 46 at-bats. Presumably Nady was consumed by wild dogs or something. He 4 for his last 7 with three extra-base hits and three RBI.
The Yankees have lost 24 of their last 39 games against the Angels. … The Angels are 37-19 on the road. To put that in some perspective, the Yankees are the only other team in the AL with a winning record on the road and they are 25-24.
SIR SIDNEY: One can only assume that this is do-or-die time for Ponson. His last eight starts, going back to his time in Texas, have been pretty awful. Ponson has pitched 42.2 innings, allowing 67 hits and 18 walks. His ERA is 6.12 and opponents have hit .368 against him.
The Yankees have Ian Kennedy and Alfredo Aceves in Scranton knocking on the door.
I am not not covering the game tonight. With the 10-game road trip coming up, I have the weekend off. But we’ll have the lineups and other news for you as my Journal News comrades will be at the Stadium.
UPDATE, 4:23 p.m.: Ah, that explains it. Xavier Nady has a sore right quad. He is day-to-day but available to pinch hit.
BRUNEY BACK: As predicted, Chris Britton reboarded the Scranton shuttle. So welcome back Brian Bruney. The RHP is back in pinstripes for the first time since suffering a lisfranc fracture of his right foot in Chicago on April 22.
WHY CAN’T THE YANKEES GET A PITCHER LIKE THAT? On the day the day the Yankees are running Sidney Ponson out there, Jeff Karstens just threw six shutout innings against the Cubs. He also got two sacrifices down, which makes him a better hitter than Betemit.
Here’s hoping Karstens has a great career. He’s a good guy who has overcome assorted injuries including a broken leg. He had essentially run out of chances with the Yankees, maybe the fresh start will work out for him.
UPDATE, 7:00 p.m., LIVAN ON A JET PLANE? Livan Hernandez is not very good but the Mets and the Yankees could use him. John Maine will skip at least one start with a shoulder issue and Pedro Martinez is, at best, uncertain. The Yankees will probably realize they need a new starter by, oh, the third inning or so tonight.
UPDATE, 7:48 p.m.: No idea who this is in Sidney Ponson’s uniform, but he’s pitching pretty well.
UPDATE, 8:04 p.m.: Sidney Ponson is throwing a no-hitter after four innings thanks to great defensive plays by Wilson Betemit and Bobby Abreu.
Now there’s a sentence I never expected to write. Perhaps there’s still hope for, “This blog now sponsored by my new friends, The Pussycat Dolls.”
UPDATE, 8:30 p.m.: Joe Girardi said a few days ago that he hoped Chien-Ming Wang would be able to pitch again in September. He finally admitted today that such a scenario was impossible. He’s now holding out hope for Oct. 1, assuming there is an Oct. 1.
Just look at a calendar. Wang remains in a brace and on crutches and will be evaluated again on Tuesday. At best, he could start playing catch sometime next weekend. He’ll have to play catch for a week, then have 3-4 bullpen sessions, a BP or two then at least three minor league starts.
If all goes well, Wang could be ready in October. But would you really want to toss him out there after three months of not seeing major-league hitters?
UPDATE, 8:38 p.m.: Sidney Ponson is throwing a gem and I’ve, yet again, been proven an idiot. But I stil think the Yankees need to get another starter.
UPDATE, 9:32 p.m.: At this point, it’s really not a surprise when Mariano gives it up in a non-save situation. Very, very strange. I have no explanation for it.
queue the “what, no Nady?” complaints….
I can’t believe he’s resting Nady again.
ugh….betemit.
Get Bettemit the hell out of there and Nady back in. DH Nady if necessary, Big G on 1st.
Betemit. Why, oh, why?
Why is Betemit playing? I dont understand this man-crush Girardi has on Betemit.
I really dislike the fact that X is not in the lineup… The guy hits and then gets benched for a much lesser bat, I don’t get it.
Exactly, can’t believe Nady is not there… WTF???
why did we get nady to seat the bench are u serious..what is girardi is thinknin man he is startin to heat up..im madd..
Glad we traded for Nady. lol
This is all Melky’s fault.
Giambi? Cabrera? BETEMIT? I’m not even gonna watch this game.
What are you thoughts, Peter? Can somebody ask Girardi WHY Betemit over Nady???
WHY IS NADY NOT PLAYING!!!!! I don’t understand what’s joe obsession with Betemit, this guy sucks, he can’t even spell on base percentage.
I can’t believe he is not playing Nady, What is he doing!!!!!!! Let Nady play center, Melky is useless
where is the x man
“Giambi? Cabrera? BETEMIT? I’m not even gonna watch this game.”
That’s the spirit.
…Erm, Joe, you know, even if you want to mail it in you still have to *play* the game.
Seriously, no X? Just as he’s getting into it?
Not a fan of this line up. Here’s hoping I’m wrong.
WHAT THE HELL IS THE SENSE OF GETTING NADY THEN?!
Honestly, I’d like to hear Girardi’s explanation on this. 0-2 in series.
geez does EVERYONE have to say the same thing…its pretty clear after the first 3 posts
Just kidding folks… here’s the real line up.
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Nady CF
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
I. Rodriguez C
Ponson RHP
While we’re at it: Mussina RHP
I want to bop Girardi on the head like those V8 commercials.
I lke the idea of trying Nady in CF. But Betemit till shouldn’t be in there!
Noey August 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
I can’t believe he is not playing Nady, What is he doing!!!!!!! Let Nady play center, Melky is useless
MELKY HAD 3 HITS LAST NIGHT U IDIOT.. BE A FAN AND WATCH THE GAME..
where are the baseball-reference links? i at least want to see how much Betemit stinks against this pitcher before i complain…
“I can’t believe he is not playing Nady, What is he doing!!!!!!! Let Nady play center, Melky is useless.”
right on cue.
it’s actually Melky’s fault i’m stuck at work at 4:00 PM as well.
so does Brett Gardner suddenly morph into Xavier Nady in August? i didn’t know that.
Betemit is gonna hit a home run tonight since y’all are bashing him.
hmm why not try Nady at 1st? it is because Betemit got a hit last night so he gets to be in the lineup?
to be playing Betemit instead of Nady is giving up the game….I’ll tune in tomorrow…what a bunch of horse excrement
The only explanation I can think about it’s getting Giambi on track with him playing DH. But Nady was HOT, man!
Does Betemit have great lifetime numbers against Santana or something?
Like 8 for 10 with 6 RBI and 3 HR, 2 2B and a 3B?
Betemit and Ponson…..cringe
http://www.baseball-reference......erbyb=Name
there ya go saucy
yep giambis 1/9 off him but hes dh-ing anyway
Just checked out Karstens on Gameday. He’s doing great. 5 innings of shutout ball against the Cubs.
Laroche and Moss are playing and contributing immediately as well.
Nice day for the Pirates.
and PURE GENIUS to be batting Wilson ahead of Pudge….GENIUS I TELL YA !
Jeff Karstens = 5 shutout innings vs. the Cubs at Wrigley. Good for him
Theo and Francona press conference on ESPN TV right now.
…Nope.
“to be playing Betemit instead of Nady is giving up the game….I’ll tune in tomorrow…what a bunch of horse excrement”
i’d feel so used, abused, and dropped off at the corner by this crowd if i was Brett Gardner. y’all are such players, i swear.
thanks RayBlay
and now for your regularly scheduled whining:
what in the *($*@($(#^&&*(@
“That’s the spirit.”
This group’s really entertaining, isn’t it. More pathetic really, but entertaining nonetheless.
Nady got a rest day on the 29th (and did come in to pinch hit). Prior to that, he played 10 straight (though the 25th doesn’t really count as it was the trade day but I imagine it wasn’t very restful).
With the fact that there’s still another 13 straight games to go during this stretch, he’s got to rest sometime. Should it be against the Angels? Maybe not. But I’d rather have him be in the lineup every day on the road and with tomorrow being a late afternoon game, someone had to come out off the field, I guess.
oh great chone figgins the yankee killer is 7-14 off ponson
Just posting something I put on the other forum. Didn’t know it was “jump up” time…
If this is old news so be it. I just saw it on ESPN TV. It seems that Theo met with the Sux veteran players on Wednesday night and they told him that Manny could no longer be counted on and that he had to go.
And they talk about the Bronx zoo!
nady is finally starting to hit and you put BETEMIT in the friggin lineup… ugh… he is sooo bad.
Oh yeah. Livan was DFA to make room for Liriano.
A though about pitchers that you might love to see come to the Bronx, Washburn included (if you do). Always remember that there is never a guarantee that what you have seen elsewhere will ever translate the same way in the Bronx. History has shown us that over and over. Just a word of caution to people who could end up being disappointed.
Also, WEEI spent a lot of time talking about Pudge’s reputation for calling for outside pitches so he could showcase his arm. We might as well acknowledge the reality of what we have gotten as well as well as we acknowledge that he has had an HOF career. And oh yeah, I disagree that Pettitte calls his own games but rather agree with Kay and the posters who pointed out that Pettitte’s comfort level lies in having the catcher call the game. Seldom do you see him shake anyone off.
And didn’t Molina come to us from the Angels? Who better to call games from behind the plate than someone who knows the players! I still say it was a mistake to throw Pudge right out there especially against the Angels. Better that we had the opportunity to take a game or two than to deal from a deficit position. Just my opinion.
Awesome line up! No Complaints here!
Captain Double Play still hitting #2
Nady getting rest for at least the second time since he’s been here. Meanwhile, Melky and Abreu have played in 105 games this season.
Nothing to complain about here!
Go Sidney!
who cares how many games we have in row..he could DH he is a way better option then wilsonm
Theo and Francona press conference on ESPN TV right now.
what number is Bay wearing? did he took schilling #38?
AND Damon’s 2-13 against Santana and yet he is playing LF, Nady’s favorite position
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but I think Nady should be in the lineup
Sexson has decent #’s against Ervin too…. **scratches head**
Anyone know the Angels line up today?
bphill you have to be the funniest guy on the net. I watch EVERY game and I seriously will consider not watching tonight because of BEEEEtameet. Makes me sick! This is the one thing that makes me cuss Girardi about. Yanks fans at the game, please BOOO W.B. every chance you get.
Trisha-
Pudge would have to get in there at some point. No matter the opponenet, the games count the same in the standings. A game against the Angels isn’t weighted for more.
My opinion: the quicker he adjusts to our pitchers, the better for us.
Your first paragraph’s a wise one, though. In the end, our core’s going to push us over the top, not Nady or Pudge….although they could sure help the cause.
“Betemit is 0 for 3 with two strikeouts against Santana.”
Wow, Girardi for Manager of the Year!
After series at Texas Yanks will be out of the WC race.
Doesn’t matter who the Angels put in there – they are going to beat on us like a drum!
Abreu RF
Betemit 1B
this isnt funny anymore.
MELKY is hitting .284 the last days you so called YANKEES fans. That is the 4th best avg on the team in that span. Nady should be playing and he can play 1st maybe some1 should tell Joe he can play 1st. also with this lineup some1 please tell me how Wilson is hitting ahead of Pudge i know the whole Lefty/Righty think but who cares Wilson is a switch-hitter. UNREAL JOE
I love the ceremonial “we’re going to lose!” post-lineup moment. it’s my favorite, right behind the 1st inning “we’re going to lose!” moment, and the 3rd, 5th, and 7th inning ones.
“After series at Texas Yanks will be out of the WC race.”
if that’s true, will you leave?
Jorge very good point and one I didn’t think about. It really didn’t matter who the opponent was, Pudge would still be in the same position sooner or later.
I love the ceremonial “we’re going to lose!†post-lineup moment. it’s my favorite, right behind the 1st inning “we’re going to lose!†moment, and the 3rd, 5th, and 7th inning ones.
Perfect!
Pudge should never have been thrown out there last night. Pettitte likes his catcher to call his game, hence the love for Jose Molina, and we all saw how uncomfortable Andy was all night…at one point he even had to mouth the words “4-seamer” to Pudge.
Should have been Molina/Pettitte, Pudge/Ponson and then Molina/Moose as Pudge gets acclimated.
They should’ve traded Betemit long time ago. He’s useless.
Molina will be catching tomorrow its a mid-day game so instead of Molina catching tonight and tomorrows mid-day game he will catch Moose tomorrow and Pudge will have the day off.
I set the over/under on 2 strikeouts for Betemit tonight. I, personally, am taking the over.
Betimit the magic elixor vs the Halos???
Seriously though what the hell is Girardi doing!
““After series at Texas Yanks will be out of the WC race.â€
if that’s true, will you leave?”
NO. Fan never leaves.
nady hit another homer for the yanks yesterday yet he sits today? it’s the stretch run, why is he not playing everyday?
Does Girardi know that Nady knows how to play 1st? Did Cash let him know this
Nady goes 2 for 3 last night with a homer but is out of the line up… i quit
lol lol lol u guys are funny, Pudge didnt come fron another country guys or even another league he was playin the AL and he has played against LAA this year and if you know anything the Yanks hadnt played against them til last night. Also, the only problem Pudge and Andy wouldve had last night couldve been signs being switched w/runners on or sometimes what Andy likes to throw in situations. Pudge is HOF he knows what he is doing. Him catching had nothing to do with the outcome, How come Molina could come in here last year and not the staff and do fine???? Stop looking for new guys to blame.
Tonight’s game is over? Its only 4:11?
Did they start it early or something?
Nady goes deep last night and has another hit besides and again, Girardi play Wilson Betemit. Why? Because Girardi is infatuated– obsessively, irrationally fixated– with hitting left-handed hitter against right-handed pitchers and vice-versa. His fixation manifests with the bullpen as well only in reverse.
Had Joey Prospectus bothered to read his manual he also might have considered that Nady, unlike year’s past, has hit right-handers this year too.
Nady’s Splits
Against RH’s .330/.369/.546
Against LH’s .319/.438/.542
Willy, as Joey Prospectus likes to call him, can’t hit from either side of the plate this year.
In 125 ABs, he has struck out 38 times or 30.4% That’s a .304 strike out average to go along with his .248/.275/.400 numbers. His strike out percentage is better than his batting average.
Hey, Joey Prospectus, you play your best hitters EVERY night. You want to rest someone fine. But you just rested Nady in the Orioles series on the 29th.
well i’m just as disgusted by not seeing nady as everyone else here. i wish there was even an explanation of girardi’s fascination with that loser betemit.
giving him that last at-bat the other night was inexplicable—sure maybe sexson would have K’d as well-but isn’t that WHT they got sexson?
TRADE BETEMIT? What the crap? The guy traded for the bats had more value. OH I got it, Betemit for Manny. Why didn’t cash think of that?
” Leo
August 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Nady goes 2 for 3 last night with a homer but is out of the line up… i quit ”
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EXACTLY and for who ?….WILSON ?…what a %&%&*^%* JOKE !
“nady hit another homer for the yanks yesterday yet he sits today? it’s the stretch run, why is he not playing everyday?”
he’s Xavier Nady.
let me get this straight, a guy hits two HRs, but does nothing the rest of his at-bats, and he’s the greatest thing ever? i thought this was a Yankee Blog, not a Dave Kingman Appreciation blog.
(i am in no way seriously comparing the two, btw)
What’s the difference between Livan and Sidney? It’s not like Livan has given up 200 hits so far this year, almost 20 of them home runs, or anything. Other then that, though, yes sign him and Eric Gregg (RIP) to a joint contract in a heartbeat once the Twins DFA him.
it was Molina’s fault the other night when Marte gave up the runs then right?? cause he didn’t know Marte. Come on now guys.
“what number is Bay wearing?”
44
Someone needs to talk to Disney. Angels in the Outfield went out of style so long ago…
I really wonder if Girardi works to put a worse team when he doesn’t like the pitcher. He has done this now with Kennedy, Hughes, Rasner and Ponson. The pattern is showing, crappy pitcher, crappy lineup compared to the full complement. It doesn’t make sense.
who nems their child Chone? What does that even mean.
Betemit to Girardi is like Proctor is to Torre
Cashman must get rid of him ASAP.
If anything, Giambi should be benched, not Betemit.
“Tonight’s game is over? Its only 4:11? Did they start it early or something?”
The savior, Xavier Nady, once traded for Oliver Perez (i think), didn’t show up. Broadway’s going dark tonight.
if Brett Gardner jumps off the GWB, i’m blaming all of you. you turned your back on poor Brett.
Someone needs to fart on Betemit’s pillow so he goes on the DL with pink eye again.
“let me get this straight, a guy hits two HRs, but does nothing the rest of his at-bats, and he’s the greatest thing ever? i thought this was a Yankee Blog, not a Dave Kingman Appreciation blog.”
jorge steinbrenner = wilson betemit…
I was thinking (yeah I know .. hard to believe) although LA did real well in picking up Manny for virtually nothing for th rest of this season (and w/o commitment for next year) Boston actually did pretty well on the Manny trade. Here’s my thinking:
Cost of getting Manny to play far below his own or Jason Bay’s ability: $7M for the rest of Manny’s ’08 salary.
Cost of getting Jason Bay to play to the best of his ability: $7M for the rest of Manny’s ’08 salary, plus $2M for the rest of this year, $6M per for a year or so.
Cost of getting Manny to play to the best of his ability: Pay him the rest of this year’s salary, plus pick up the option(s) or extending his contract to the tune of at $20M or more per.
So getting Jason Bay for an additional $2M for this year was their only certain shot at having a guy play hard and with the team in mind. It saves them tons of headaches, removes any animosity from this round of Manny Being Butt Headed, and also saves them $14M next year. Bay’s no Manny at the plate, but he’s also no slouch … sounds to me like it was worth it for the Sox even if it was a little downgrade in terms of raw talent.
Now, Manny will probably tear it up in LA because he knows he’s playing for a contract and he probably wants to make a statement to Boston. But that’s not necessarily how he would have played in Boston if he’d stayed. In fact, I’m sure he wouldn’t have played as well as he’s going to now under any conditions unless (until) he got his $100M extension. He actually bailed out on the Sox just as they started an important series against the Yanks. This is the biggest sports rivalry in the USA. Whether gutless or selfish or both, that attitude has no place on any team.
“What’s the difference between Livan and Sidney?”
a world series ring, a better track record, and maybe he’ll give us an “iloooveyoooo noooyorrrh!” moment in the end.
I’m flabbergasted that Betemit is in this lineup.
Seriously. The guy is a terrible baseball player, he’s not good defensively at 1b.
It’s beyond explanation.
You trade for Nady, you play him.
I don’t get it. It’s infuriating to see the team put him in the lineup at all.
You guys do realize, Betemit’s going to have a crazy game tonight with like two grand slams, just for kicks, right?
Pete’s watching the Doctor Who season finale, I bet.
“jorge steinbrenner = wilson betemit…”
that’s actually pretty funny.
although maybe i should get to the batting cages before the game starts. don’t want to lower that .230, or whatever it is, average…
6 Shut out innings by Jeff Karstens against the cubs.
A tribute to Manny from and created by Pinstripe Zac.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiSLSOi8Ok4
“You guys do realize, Betemit’s going to have a crazy game tonight with like two grand slams, just for kicks, right?”
you guys say something like this before every disappointing loss
Peter please ban the talk of Manny and the Redsox please put a filter on those words..haha
of course we trade karstens and he shuts out the best offense in the NL
and why is betemit on this team?
I was just about to blast Girardi for sitting Nady. But the wfan just said that he has a sore quad. So that explains the move. With the Pirates he had alot of legs problems recently.
just heard nady is day to day with a sore quad
Maybe striking out twice late in the game in the loss to the Orioles with risp and down by a run has earned Betimit another chance.
“of course we trade karstens and he shuts out the best offense in the NL”
he wasn’t exactly on the verge of winning 20 here. good for him.
WTF TYPE OF A LINEUP IS THIS !
YOU HAVE GIDP AND STRIKEOUTS COMBINED !!!
Spare me with Livan. I thought the idea was to try and improve the #5 spot over Ponson, and how does Livan circa 2008 do that? His World Series ring isn’t helping his WHIP or his ERA this year. His only moment in New York should be spent hanging out with El Duque, not starting for the Yankees.
Nady or no Nady, Betimit still shouldn’t be playing.
I am surprised Nady isn’t in the lineup tonight.
But, when the posted lineup is complained about every night on here, I tend to tune out the complaints. Its about that, “crying wolf” type of thing.
Just find a way to win tonight. That’s all I am looking for.
I’m not smart enough to be able to predict the outcome of games just by seeing the lineup.
I don’t think many folks thought Andy Pettitte would give up 2 three run homers in one inning as he did last night. Sometimes, stuff just happens in games.
Just find a way to win tonight. If Wilson contributes, its a bonus.
Agree with all above:
Betemit should not be in there and not batting in front of Pudge. He should be batting last.
Giambi, with the switch against him, is killing us in 5 hole. Just tell him to bunt down 3rd base side and he’ll get a hit.
Tell jeter, if he goes up to the plate thinking he might hit into a DP, to just strike out, as to not kill a rally!
And remember, while we’re all depressed at the thought of not making the wild card, because of our puny hitting and unreliable starting pitching, “It’s not over till the fat lady sings.” Hopefully Ponson won’t be singing tonight!!
It was just brought to my attention that CHONE Figgins name is actually Shawn. In that Case Im naming my next child Krite…but its actually pronounced James
Betemit is a “dead red” hitter – when he hits at all- so Girardi is rolling the dice with him tonight.(sigh…How long before management realizes that Betemit is a waste of a roster spot!)
Coach Jay
Because reading people whine about the line-up is more informative or constructive?
“just heard nady is day to day with a sore quad”
all of a sudden, the talk turns on a dime to “why did we trade for an injury-prone guy like that? didn’t we KNOW?!?!?!”
this group is sometimes the perfect balance between smart folks and folks to make fun of. that guy who said Bronx Banter was better really doesn’t know what he’s missing.
WHY DIDN’T WE JUST TRADE BETEMIT FOR KEPPINGER !!
“just heard nady is day to day with a sore quad”
wow, you mean after 100 posts just reaming Girardi for being an absolute idiot, there is actually a perfectly reasonable explanation?
huh.
keep up the whining though, it’s really not annoying or anything.
Rhapsody -
Betemit hit a momentum-changing single last night in the 9th inning. As a result, Girardi felt it was right to reward him for his heroics from last night.
It is what have you done for me lately.
Single vs. O’Day in 12-3 game > strikeout with winning runs on base in 7-6 game
Better meat is pretty hard to watch. He’s good for at least 2 k’s a game.
It kind of annoys me how badly Pete really has it in for Ponson. Not saying he has been great but the statistics he references are always chosen to accentuate the bad ie picking the sample that number of starts that yields the worst numbers. Never see him cite similar statistics for Rasner even though they exist and he always gives Rasner the “that’s about all you can ask from him” treatment. Bottom line is 3 out of 5 of Ponson’s starts with the Yankees have been quality. That’s not an amazing percentage but frankly, that’s about all you can ask from him.
IF that comment about nady and the quad is inncaurate another reason for betemit starting may be.. Girardi for some reason thinks Gimbi’s bat is more valauble then Nady but because Giambi is a big lug and cannot play the field everyday he is DH’ing him today…I am not saying having Giambi’s clutch(joke) bat in the lineup should be paramount but maybe…
Betemit has a 270 OBP…He is one soft dude… He is 27 and has never ever come close to expectations….
“Nady or no Nady, Betimit still shouldn’t be playing.”
exactly.
id rather see Christian
Has anyone seen Nady play 1B by the way? Is he any good? I can’t fathom he could be much worse than Betemit.
But then I did see Sheffield play there too. It didn’t get much worse than that.
I have been to two games this week, both of them without Nady… I am leaving for the stadium right now, i am sitting behind the yankees dugout, so I will let you know what Joe says when I yell at him to get Wilson Betemit out of this lineup. I thought we got nady for a reason…
Aceves or Kennedy for Ponson’s next start?
I’m sorry but for the sake of science I feel I must address Pete’s comment:
“One can only assume that this is do-or-die time for Ponson. His last eight starts, going back to his time in Texas, have been pretty awful. Ponson has pitched 42.2 innings, allowing 67 hits and 18 walks. His ERA is 6.12 and opponents have hit .368 against him.”
1. Assuming makes an ass out of someone. It appears you and others assumed Sidney’s last start was also his last. Wishing doesn’t make it so.
2. His last eight starts have been pretty awful? First of all I have no idea why you’d go back to his time with Texas seeing the organization obviously took into account his time with Texas before they got him. Plus he was considered to have done pretty well in Texas. But as long as we’re going to be “selective” in picking the starts to go back to, I’ll go back to his last 6 and pick up the last one in Texas, where he pitched 8 innings and gave up 2 runs. DREADFUL! Or the start after that where he pitched 6 innings and gave up 0 runs. HIDEOUS! And maybe I’ll look at the outing where he pitched 6 innings against our division leader and gave up 1 run. KILL HIM NOW! And finally I think I’ll point to the game where he pitched 5.2 innings and gave up 3 runs. OUTRAGEOUS!
Isn’t it easy to distort information and bunch it all together to give a FALSE impression about reality?
For example, to talk about someone’s ERA over 8 games when 2 of those 8 games had a lot of ER and then to use that as part of aggregate stats to try to persuade people to your side, to me, is unconscionable.
So no, the truth of the matter is that Ponson’s last 8 outings have NOT been “pretty awful.”
If Ponson goes long enough without getting the job done the organization will do something about it, and it will be time for them to do something about it. I have no difficulty with that whatsoever. But I do have great difficulty with either Pete or posters working out their dislike of any player by trying to say that something is the case when clearly it is not. Sidney may not have stopped the presses with his pitching, but he sure as hell kept the Yankees in the majority of games he has pitched for them – and gee, hasn’t he done at least what you want from a back-of-the-rotation starter?
That’s a yes to me.
Here’s another clue for all of you before tonight’s game. There are certain pitchers who are owned by certain teams, just as there are certain pitchers who own certain teams. Surely you’ve heard of this phenomenon before? Well you all made sure to point out the fact that Sidney has not had an easy time with Boston. So the last game was no exception.
But I’m sure you’ll be judging him on a very high standard tonight seeing that all of the Yankee pitchers have a record of being Angel killers, correct?
“Spare me with Livan. I thought the idea was to try and improve the #5 spot over Ponson, and how does Livan circa 2008 do that? His World Series ring isn’t helping his WHIP or his ERA this year. His only moment in New York should be spent hanging out with El Duque, not starting for the Yankees.”
i love it when folks starts quoting WHIP at me. i really didn’t realize so many folks here worked for Bill James.
agree with SJ on Betemit. He’s good enough to be on the 25 man roster for the New York Yankees all year long. therefore, he should play.
Aceves
How dare you, SJ44, this is no place for logic and common sense, take that drivel somewhere else!
“A sore quad”? That means he’s going on the DL tomorrow.
Yes it is this is a Yankee blog not a Manny one or Redsox, who cares what Manny is doing in LAD or what # Bay is wearing who cares. I do care more about whos batting where and why than that junk call me a Yankee fan and i am sorry for caring more bout them than the other stuff
hmmm –
Joe Girardi is clearly at fault for Nady’s sore quad, Betemit’s hitting and Global Warming.
It is about time you wise up mister!
“Nady or no Nady, Betimit still shouldn’t be playing.”
why not?
if Nady is out, who should play, Sexson? give me a break.
this is complaining for the sake of complaining.
Day-to-day in Yankees-speak means a player is destined for at least a 15-day stint on the DL.
Whoa. Since when does X have a bum quad?
I just hope Nady can play again this weekend, his bat missing takes away that whole “deep lineup” thing they had going for all of what, one game.
“Aceves or Kennedy for Ponson’s next start?”
with those two as my choices, i’d go with Aceves out of sheer curiosity and the fact that IPK’s screwed no matter what he does right now.
let’s just leave Phil and IPK in Scranton for now, please?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....atsId=6986
““A sore quadâ€? That means he’s going on the DL tomorrow.”
man, we better hope not.
for the record, before they said he had a sore quad, you had the only decent arguement in this ridiculous thread.
i think Girardi does have a weakness for righty/lefty matchups, it just wasn’t the case tonight.
“if Nady is out, who should play, Sexson? give me a break.
this is complaining for the sake of complaining.”
Christian
Is it too much to hope that Bruney doesn’t need to pitch tonight?
Wait, are you serious? WHIP isn’t exactly an obscure or B.S. statistic to be using to evaluate a pitcher, professor. And I’m quoting it “at you” considering for some reason you have a man-crush on a garbage pitcher who would make Yankees fans wish for Sidney to come back through the clubhouse door.
“i love it when folks starts quoting WHIP at me. i really didn’t realize so many folks here worked for Bill James.”
uhh, WHIP is a pretty basic stat. it has nothing to do with Bill James.
it’s no more complicated than RBI.
If Nady does indeed go on the DL (or if hes out for a couple more days), Pete will scold the liar Girardi.
wow, congrats to 90% of the people here for being whiny retards.
“Wait, are you serious? WHIP isn’t exactly an obscure or B.S. statistic to be using to evaluate a pitcher, professor. And I’m quoting it “at you†considering for some reason you have a man-crush on a garbage pitcher who would make Yankees fans wish for Sidney to come back through the clubhouse door.”
perhaps it is, perhaps it isn’t. what it definitely is is a cheap way to make folks who post on comment sections on blogs sound a bit smarter than they actually are.
apparantly, this mystical WHIP involves a crystal ball as well.
Hopefully X is okay. Glad to see Bruney back but I’m hoping Melancon gets a chance fairly soon.
Ponson sucks, if I were Cashman I’d DFA him immediately. All of his “good” outings were mostly due to luck. I’d much rather give Kennedy a try. I can live with Rasner for now but hopefully we can upgrade his spot as well.
yikes, you all look really stupid now.
“Christian”
Betemit is a better hitter than Justin Christian.
it is hilarious watching the people on this blog just base their entire opinions of players on their last 10 ABs.
it happens ALL season.
Giambi sucks, then its Girardi is an idiot for not playing Giambi enough.
Damon sucks, then he’s good again.
Jeter should be dropped in the lineup.
Abreu sucks.
Gardner is awesome and Cashman is an idiot for not calling him up. then Gardner sucks.
Justin Christian is a 28 year old with 25 big league ABs.
the fact that some of you are indicting Girardi for not playing him is beyond laughable.
torii hunter is out for the rest of the series..he went home to attend a funeral..
Betemit – 38 Ks/4 walks in 57 games with a .248 average
Christian – 1 K/3 walks in 14 games with a .280 average and has 4 steals.
“All of his “good†outings were mostly due to luck.”
Patrick that’s really a scientific statement that you can easily back up, right?
If Sidney gets out of a jam, it’s luck, when one of our other pitchers get out of a jam, it’s because they’re good under pressure.
Geesh.
“perhaps it is, perhaps it isn’t. what it definitely is is a cheap way to make folks who post on comment sections on blogs sound a bit smarter than they actually are.
apparantly, this mystical WHIP involves a crystal ball as well.”
What in the hell are you talking about? WHIP isn’t some complex stat, its walks and hits per innings pitched. Thats just a combination of walks per nine and hits per nine. Its not like you need a doctorate in Sabremetrics or something to understand WHIP.
Ponson walks a lot of batters and he allows a lot of hits. WHIP is just quantifying exactly how many of each he allows.
Don’t confuse me with your Batting Average statistical mumbo-jumbo
What’s that saying about our starting pitching: Mussina and Joba, and pray that the opposing pitcher has an off night.
“torii hunter is out for the rest of the series..he went home to attend a funeral..”
I’m sad for Torii but relieved for us. Maybe we can hit some balls into the outfield that won’t be caught!
I really am hoping for a Jerome from Manhattan call soon, blasting Cashman for not “making the pitcher from Seattle”.
Thanks to all of you — with an extra thanks to Nigel for the “Knocked Up” reference — for cracking me up on a lame Friday afternoon at work. Read from top to bottom, these first 100 posts are like some sort of genius crazy blank-verse poetry. Funny as all hell. Also, I admit, funny because I sort of agree with a good many of of them, even the most outré ones, but am a bit hesitant to just expose my irrational fears, even under the guise of a blog handle. Oh, yeah: Go Yanks. I hold out hope, but not extreme confidence, for the game.
“uhh, WHIP is a pretty basic stat. it has nothing to do with Bill James. it’s no more complicated than RBI.”
i’m not arguing that. i just think too many exchanges here go like this….
“wow, Rasner just went six innings and gave up two runs. gutsy start!”
“yeah, but his WHIP was 3.563712! he sucks!”
i hate to say it but, at the risk of sounding like an old man in his…..mid 30′s, the stats i still attention to most are the ones which used to be on the backof my Topps baseball cards. doesn’t make me any less knowledgable a fan. doesn’t make me enjoy the game any less.
enjoy the game we already seem to have lostm, folks. and, Nady willing, get home safely..
“Christian – 1 K/3 walks in 14 games with a .280 average and has 4 steals.”
if you think this means ANYTHING you should probably just throw your computer out a window.
Christian so far has got up and produced something other then strike outs.
Betemit has done nothing but be a 0 tool player. He’s a waste of space.
“wow, congrats to 90% of the people here for being whiny retards.”
I am going to strongly hope that I am considered to be in the remaining 10% and say that it is one of the few times that being in the minority is actually a comforting thought.
“Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn’t?”
What is wrong with you? WHIP is a very, very basic stat. It’s WALKS+HITS/IP. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SABRMETRICS ALERT
trisha,
Just look at his stat lines for each of his better outings:
6 innings, 5 hits, 4 walks, 0 runs
6 innings, 5 hits, 2 walks, 1 run
5.2 innings, 9 hits, 2 walks, 3 runs
That is a ton of baserunners and better hitting teams will take advantage of that and DESTROY him as we saw with Texas and Boston. Ponson just isn’t a very good pitcher.
Okay, so if WHIP is cheap, what then do you consider the Rollys Royce of statistics used when evaluating a pitcher, oh all-knowing and wise one?
Apparently, my baseball intellect is far, far inferior to yours as evidenced by my having to reach for mystical crystal-ball statistics to make a point that I shouldn’t even have to try making. Here, since apparently you are king of old school baseball and poo-poo on Bill James and these “fancy statistics”, is some simple math. Livan = Ponson. Rasner > Livan. Livan – Aceves + Kennedy = Maybe. Yankees + Livan + Aceves + Kennedy = Pointless.
I have to agree with Pete that this is Sidney’s last call. If he gets hit hard tonight, it’s IPK Redux . . . also known as the Dark Night.
Thank you, Hmmn. I hope Nady is fine too.
My hyperbole about his being destined for the DL was intended to satirize Yankees-speak, something that recently has morphed into a distant cousin of Orwellian Newsspeak.
I think the formula to ascertain the truth is to increase the severity of every injury the Yankees announce by 50%.
“Ponson walks a lot of batters and he allows a lot of hits. WHIP is just quantifying exactly how many of each he allows.”
…and, if he gets out of the inning without any damage, that’s where this “luck” stat comes in?
“i hate to say it but, at the risk of sounding like an old man in his…..mid 30’s, the stats i still attention to most are the ones which used to be on the backof my Topps baseball cards. doesn’t make me any less knowledgable a fan. doesn’t make me enjoy the game any less. ”
ok, but WHIP is one of those simple stats:
Walks + HITS / innings
all on the back of the baseball card.
it’s not WARP or VORP or RCAA or FIP…
it’s WHIP.
it tells you how many baserunners a pitcher allows. high is bad, low is good.
you may have a point about how people use stats, but this isn’t really a good example. WHIP is about as basic as it gets.
“Okay, so if WHIP is cheap, what then do you consider the Rollys Royce of statistics used when evaluating a pitcher, oh all-knowing and wise one?”
didn’t say i was wise. i just enjoy the game. that’s why i can sit here and laugh at people who think the season’s over when one guy’s not in the lineup.
i see i hit a nerve.
hmmm
You forgot to list how so many posters were jonesing for Gonzalez and wanted to kill Betemit and Ensberg to get him up here, loved him for one or two games, and then spent the rest of the time talking about how much he sucked and how they wanted him sent back down.
Oh also, my money is on the fact that Topps prints WHIP on the back of baseball cards now. I have no way of knowing if this is true or not since I haven’t bought a pack of cards since I was probably 10, but that stat is everywhere. But, I’m sick of looking at the phrase WHIP for now, so I’m done.
“you may have a point about how people use stats, but this isn’t really a good example. WHIP is about as basic as it gets.”
didn’t say the stat was useless. i do think you get what i was trying to get at.
enjoy the game.
Do Not Sign Livan Hernandez Cashman !
Betemit is kind of like the position-player equivalent of Chris Britton
Quoting Betemit vs. Christian stats really make you look dumb.
You are quoting stats from a guy who has played 1/4 of the games to the person you are comparing him to. Are you serious?
Wilson is not a great hitter. However, he is a better hitter than a guy who has been a career minor league player with little or no power.
Patrick, this is no indictment to you or other folks who properly use stats when discussing players.
Its stat quoting like Betemit vs. Christian that drives me nuts.
There are only a handful of people on this blog, Hmmm, Patrick, and CB to name 3, that actually know how to correctly apply stats to a discussion.
The rest just quote stats out of their butts as if its a be all end all argument when discussing players. Incorrectly using stats to bolster arguments doesn’t make you look smart in discussing the game.
Wilson Betemit is a better major league hitter than Justin Christian. Melky Cabrera is a better major league hitter than Justin Christian.
There are reasons why those guys are in the lineup over Christian. They are better players.
You may not like it or you may have a hard time handling the fact this isn’t PlayStation. However, there isn’t a manager in the game who would play Christian over either Betemit or Cabrera.
WHIP is also a default stat in most fantasy leagues… not that that really adds anything to this arguement….
I’m no fan of Sexson, but he does have 3HR versus Santana, albeit not a high average. Perhaps he should be at first tonight.
I thought Bruney wasn’t ready to come back?
“You forgot to list how so many posters were jonesing for Gonzalez and wanted to kill Betemit and Ensberg to get him up here, loved him for one or two games, and then spent the rest of the time talking about how much he sucked and how they wanted him sent back down.”
don’t forget Shelley Duncan in the beginning of the season.
and also the hundreds of posts discussing how stupid the Yankees were for holding onto Moeller.
but the Brett Gardner campaign takes the cake. it was literally all anyone bitched about for an entire month. then he came up and was terrible.
i like Gardner and would like to see him on the bench next year, but you literally would have thought Cashman was holding Rickey Henderson back in AAA if you read any random thread during the month of June.
No Livan Hernandez…I want to give kennedy another couple starts, I think with the failure in the beginning of the season, combined with the fact that all he has to do is pitch better than Rasner/Ponson, he will feel less pressure, be more relaxed, and therefore have better outcomes.
DO NOT SIGN LIVAN, RESIST THE TEMPTATION CASH !!!
you know i wrote that about torii hunter cuz i heard it this morning on espn, i think and now i cant find it anywhere… so i might be wrong and i apologize if i am.
“DO NOT SIGN LIVAN, RESIST THE TEMPTATION CASH !!! ”
oh no..
SJ: Way to make me feel real good =P (i don’t use stats often, I admit, because numbers throw me)
This was fun to read:
Baltimore Orioles 20 (21) Orioles 51-56 Daniel Cabrera has recorded nearly half (three) of his seven total wins this season against the Yankees.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/powerranking
Livan and Ponson are comparable, so why bother?
Livan and Ponson both eat more than just innings… (except in Ponson’s case, he doesn’t even eat innings)
Sidney can drink him under the table though.
Patrick, when any of our back-of-the-rotation pitchers goes 6 innings and gives up say 3 ER or less, Pete as well as the YES announcers will say something to the effect of: 6 innings, 3 runs, I’ll take that all the time. But when it comes to Pete, all bets are off because it’s Sidney.
Look at it this way. Coming to pitch for the Yankees is always a guaranteed horror show for a “new” pitcher. We never know how someone from outside of the system is going to perform. So here’s a guy who was able to overcome any nerves enough to give you the most important thing of all in the games where he helped us. Low ER. It doesn’t matter a flippin whit if he gave up 523 hits in the process. If he walks out of there with 0 ER, 1 ER, 2 ER, you absolutely tip your cap and say good going!
I am not saying Sidney is going to last X more games. But I knew he wasn’t getting dumped after the Boston start. You never would have known it if you took the pulse on this forum. People here are bridge jumpers by nature. I tip my cap to the rational few who weren’t ready to finish off their liquor cabinets or kill their firstborn because he had a bad outing against Boston!
I will continue to say that he has done exactly what the Yankees have asked of him in more games than not since he’s been here. I of course hope that he does a great job tonight. I wish Molina were catching his start only because this start is being looked at on the same level as Game 7 of the World Series by the less lucid members of this forum. In any event, his success is the Yankees success, so we all of course should hope he kicks butt and takes numbers.
That’s my opinion, certainly not a popular one, but nevertheless one that seems to be in keeping with the balance afforded by the Yankee organization.
Joe and Evan are lobbying for Fat Hernandez to land in NY as long as it ain’t the Bronx I don’t care.
DO NOT SIGN LIVAN !
“There are only a handful of people on this blog, Hmmm, Patrick, and CB to name 3, that actually know how to correctly apply stats to a discussion.”
Thanks SJ but I think hmmm, CB and whozat are far more knowledgable than me in this subject.
I agree its silly to compare Betemit’s and Christian’s stats.
Trisha — Ponson has pitched for the Yankees before; it’s not his first stint in pinstripes. He knows the drill. He’s not a deer in the headlights like Eddie Lee Whitson, I’ll give him that.
Livan, Sidney and Britton on the Yankees in one year? The Yankees are the new #1 destination for mediocre overweight right-handers. Can anyone get Rich Garces on the phone?
Folks have noted that IPK’s performance this year has knocked the value of the Yankee’s farm system down a few pegs. Does Karsten’s performance against the Cubs do the opposite?
Does this help make our trade offers stronger?
trisha,
My point is the stats (oh god no not stats!) suggest that Ponson will not continue to give 6 innings, 3 ER. He gives up way too many baserunners and against good hitting teams like the Sox and Rangers he’s gotten slammed.
I think Karstens needs to string together a few solid outings before we declare him a real loss. As I recall, he was pretty poor when he pitched last year (before the injury.).
ZMANN, you had to catch that!
I thought about it when I posted it but went with it anyway. Yes, Sidney has been here before.
“…and, if he gets out of the inning without any damage, that’s where this “luck†stat comes in?”
He he he he he. I love that Jorge. Thanks.
Ian Kennedy
Chase Wright
Alfredo Aceves >>>>>>>
before Livan
back bench: Got to give Karstens a few more starts before worrying about that.
Hypothetically, though, it’s good for us as long as X and Marte come through.
Love the line:’He [Karstens] also got two sacrifices down, which makes him a better hitter than Betemit.’
That was some classic stuff right there.
C’mon Yankees, let’s put a winning streak together (starting tomorrow of course).
Seriously though, we have a chance tonight…I think we will all be surprised with Ponson tonight.
Patrick, I gave him an absolutely pass before he threw one pitch to the Rangers because it was his former team. Truth. He didn’t leave on great terms and I figured it was possible that his emotions might affect him.
The Boston start was awful. But it appears that Boston has owned him in the past.
Patrick — you’re absolutely right. Ponson is fine against the Oaklands and Torontos of the world, but not against potent offenses.
I actually recall karstens pitching a good game for the yankees in one of his first starts against the angels
Pitching aside, how can anyone not like Ponson the character. The guy’s like a cross between Giambi and Manny Ramirez. Sure as hell more entertaining then the other options out there.
it was against Seattle he never faced the Angels and lived to tell about it. If anything Karsten’s good start should allow Chase Wright a 2nd chance he’s been pitching better and should have been promoted before the injury.
RE: Abreu
Heard Mike F. saying his fielding was a non-issue (just an average OF but lousy near the wall).
Found this at Baseball Analysts:
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2008/07/
He also has the benefit of low expectations. When he does well, everyone feels like he’s defying some natural law.
Here’s the section:
Best and Worst Fielders
The subtitle there is a bit of a misnomer, as you’d like to have more than one year of data to truly determine the best and worst fielders. But here are the top 20 fielders so far in 2008, ranked in order of runs saved above average (these aren’t per 150 innings or anything, by the way – this is the player’s total so far):
Utley, Phi 25.0
Rolen, Tor 23.8
Beltre, Sea 21.8
Ellis, Oak 18.3
Hardy, Mil 17.5
Escobar, Atl 17.4
Giles, SD 16.9
Jones, Atl 16.5
Fukudome, Chi 15.5
Hannahan, Oak 14.9
Kennedy, Stl 14.9
Berkman, Hou 13.9
Winn, SF 13.2
Anderson, CHA 13.1
Votto, Cin 12.9
Rios, Tor 12.7
Gutierrez, Cle 11.5
Pujols, Stl 11.5
Helton, Col 11.3
Figgins, LAA 11.1
And how about the trailers:
Abreu, NYA -27.5
Wells, Tor -21.9
Jacobs, Fla -17.9
Encarnacion,Cin -15.9
Hawpe, Col -15.5
McLouth, Pit -15.3
Griffey Jr, Cin -15.1
Mora, Bal -14.8
Blake, Cle -14.6
Crosby, Oak -14.6
Ramirez, Bos -14.1
Betancourt, Sea -13.3
Ordonez, Det -13.3
Lamb, Min -12.6
Easley, NYN -12.5
Hermida, Fla -12.5
Quentin, CHA -12.1
Cantu, Tor -12.1
Castillo, NYM -12.0
Kinsler, Tex -11.8
eww look at that pic of Manny and Torre on MLB.com
Another thing I have always absolutely refused to do, only because there is no way to judge accuracy when you do it, is to transfer what a player does somewhere else and consider it to be any kind of unequivocal indication of what he would be doing in the Bronx. Is it possible that Karstens would be pitching lights out in the Bronx if he pitches lights out for the Pirates? It’s possible. Is it also possible that he would be stinking to high heavens in the Bronx despite how he is pitching for the Pirates? As I have said before, the highways are littered with Yankee programs with the names of pitchers who were supposed to be the second coming who turned into the 7th sign once they hit the Bronx!
If Karstens pitching 20 no hitters in a row it doesn’t mean he would have done the same thing in the Bronx.
Well, Jeff Karstens just beat the Chicago Cubs with six scoreless innings. Pitching tonight for the Yankees, Sidney Bleepin’ Ponson.
Still, I like the trade.
Wow Vlad has taken Sidney deep 4 times in his career (sorry about the stats guys LOL)–hope Pudge puts down the 4 fingers sign on that one.
Karstens? yeah, everyone does better against NL teams. I hate to say this as a Yankee Fan, but with Ponson painting and picking away he`ll walk a few and give up a few hits and the Angels are good for 6 runs in the first 7 innings
Karstens shutting out the Cubs…HA!
Gives you a pretty good idea of how good the Cubs are. They will be one and done if they make the playoffs.
Pudge catching Ponson tonight should be interesting, if Sidney doesn’t locate Pudge usually throws a fastball back at you.
Brandon: That picture…uhh…
Leaving up to Joe re: Manny’s hair.
Any bets on a picture of Joe with his arms around Manny kissing him.
Even with Manny in L.A., I still believe Arizona will hold on in the NL West.
So what’s the over/under on the amount of innings Sirr Sidney goes before giving up a run?
Brandon: That picture…uhh…
I know too happy
Wow I just looked Andruw Jones is hitting .163!! I goes mlb policy really affected him. hint hint. This started last year, and the Dodgers GM is blaming a new place.
For some strange reason, I see Ponson only giving up 3 runs in 5+ innings tonight.
Over/Under I finish a bottle before the end of the game ?
Brandon,
Is it the one from an All-Star game a long time ago? I don’t know if it was the hug, Manny’s geri curls, or Manny’s diamond stud.
It was pretty disturbing. Maybe it was that Manny was a Red Sock.
Why not just start Giese tonight? Can’t be worse than Ponson.
Anyone know exactly how long XMan is out? Here’s praying for Sir Sidney…
I really see no reason to DFA Ponson after the Boston start. He is obviously going to do give up the game every start. There is no reason to put him out there day after day.
Lets put Aceves and Kennedy in if we are expecting a blowout that needs a bullpen save by the 5th inning. At least we get theses guys some ML work.
no reason not to*
Brandon: que estas bebindo? Vino? Tequilla? Cerveza?
Interesting, they have a .796 OPS against Sir Sid and we have an .813 OPS against Santana.
Perfect scenario for both games that Pontoon and Razz start….Starter gets ROCKED and out of the game early…bullpen comes in and does a great job….Yankees bats are on fire and each time an emotional come from behind victory is ours….then after the game, each starting pitcher is either DFA’d, sent down to the minors or traded to the Japanese league for a set of matching sake glasses.
I think the over/under for Sidney’s first run should be two outs. I’ll take under.
ill go under on that
Rebecca
Where is your handle? It is much better without one that may cast a pall of bad luck.
“Ponson is fine against the Oaklands and Torontos of the world, but not against potent offenses.”
Hmmm. I think you really need to do a little research before you make this statement. This season he allowed 1 ER, in two separate games, to the team with the 4th highest average potent in the AL. He didn’t fare against quite as well against Oakland.
This lets me know you have an issue with Ponson and it has nothing to do in any overall sense with the way he has pitched this season. That’s your right.
I’m always happy to discuss issues when people are being as fair and objective as they can be and are dealing with actual stats. But when it comes to misquoting things just to make a point then it makes no sense to continue the discussion.
Que sera sera.
GO YANKEES!
Over.
Just because someone has to.
VRSCE: The one posting without a handle wasn’t me.
An issue with Ponson? No, he’s grade A. I’d still rather see him against Oakland. Frankly, I’d rather see anyone pitch against Oakland.
Well if Sidney gets rocked by the Angels (not that I am predicting that mind you) he’ll fit it well with the other Yankee pitchers won’t he.
Betemit will be the cause of 2 guys throwing a net over me and taking me to Bellevue.
What keeps this bum on the roster ?
The Angels are like a steamroller right now.
Here’s hoping.
Rebecca Brugal o Vino para hoy
There is only one Rebecca and the Optimist Prime is unique as well as being good luck.
Predictive add ons are scary, because they are rarely correct; but that is just my superstitious view. Sort of like the Sports Illustrated Cover curse
Ponson, ERA 4.59, WHIP 1.66
Rasner, ERA 4.92, WHIP 1.53
.
Can anyone tell me how these 2 guys do NOT stink ?
.
Now we KNOW that these slugs stink AND that IPK and Hughes have so far shown to be both AAAA pitchers and injury prone,…right ?….So time to either make a move for a #4 and #5 starter…OR bring up Aceves and someone ELSE to see if they can become the next Aaron Small. ( and the 1st person that mentions anyone that has a last name that starts with either I or P, I am going to slap you in your “virtual” face )
If Ponson can get passed the first inning without giving up 8 runs, the Yanks have a chance.
The Yankees have lost 24 of their last 39 games against the Angels. … The Angels are 37-19 on the road. To put that in some perspective, the Yankees are the only other team in the AL with a winning record on the road and they are 25-24.
Still I don’t think they are anywhere near as scary as when Figgins was hitting up a storm and Eckstein was on the team. And Glaus and Erdstad.
Brandon: Que tipo de vino?
VRSCE: Only one Rebecca? Nah…
I thought the only reason betemit was playing was so the yanks could shop him around to other teams. i was hoping he wouldnt get much playing time after the deadline…
Rebecca: No se todavias
Wang is officially out for the whole year too bad
Over or under 5 runs allow for ponson
A news item to ponder:
“Yanks sign Victor Zambrano to a Minor League Deal”.
The new Sidney Ponson?
what?
hasta luego LOHUD, (sali)
BOS will move Lowell into Manny’s old spot. Ortiz will be walking a lot tonight. He shouldn’t even bother going into the batter’s box. He should just leave the dugout and go right to first base.
“Still I don’t think they are anywhere near as scary as when Figgins was hitting up a storm and Eckstein was on the team. And Glaus and Erdstad.”
Don’t forget Adam Kennedy… he turned into Ted Williams every time he faced NYY.
Better Wang out than rushed.
Brandon: Debes probar los vinos rose.
Brandon
Over/Under I finish a bottle before the end of the game ?
I’m thinking before the Yankees come to bat.
As we await the game here is a nice article to ponder, regarding some leading-edge fielding stats.
http://baseballanalysts.com/ar.....efen_1.php
It confirms what my eyes tell me: that the Yankees have cost themselves several games this year on defense. According to this methodology, the Yankees defense has collectively cost them 49 runs relative to an average team. That is probably an 8-10 game swing.
The worst offender by far is Bobby Abreue, who accoounts for over half of that himself by rating the worst defender in baseball at -27 runs. I doubt that he is much better than a few runs on offense so the Yanks are essentially paying him $16 million to be worst than average all things considered.
Other notables from the full spreadsheet attached which has data on every player.
-Damon is the only defender on the team meaningfully above average (as an LF)
- Jeter really hasn’t been that bad, actually a few runs positive
- Giambi is indeed awful, but as I’ve argued here before it is hard to do that much damage on D as a firstbaseman. As bad as he is (-9.8 runs) he more than makes up for this relative to having a good field/no hit 1B like Minky or (god forbid) trotting out Andy Phillips or Miguel Cairo there.
- Cano is only modestly positive which doesn’t synch with my observations as he seems to get to lots of balls.
I predict we will see 3 pitchers in the game today
Ponson
Giese
Bruney
LoDucca to the scrap heap according to the Washington Post.
“The Nationals have decided to release both Felipe Lopez and Paul Lo Duca and replace them with Emilio Bonifacio and Elijah Dukes.”
Buzz-Where did you hear Wang out for year?
Anyone know what surgery was done on Posada’s shoulder-just torn labrum or rotator cuff too?
What a collection of retreads-We have Eric Milton and Victor Zambrano. Who comes up 1st? Kennedy, Aceves, Milton?
get livan hernandez
Yankee Trader-
And don’t forget we also have Sir Sidney and Rasner in the ML rotation, two guys who were cut respectively by the pitching-stocked Nationals and Rangers.
Jorge-
Are you sure Bruney was called up-don’t see him on active roster?
“Buzz-Where did you hear Wang out for year?”
Giardi said there is no chance wang will pitch this season
Michael T
Thanks for reminding me-I was trying to forget them.
when? link? pete?
vin -
Oh yeah. Adam Kennedy. Yikes.
Here’s is what I am wondering. What accouts for the re-emergence of the Angels? They were like a one-year wonder. Why again now?
According to micheal kay giardi said wang will be out for the whole season
ignore the trolls
Buzz = troll,,,,,book it, Dan-0 !
Trisha
Pitching-emergence Saunders and Santana
Good contact hitters
Torii Hunter
Good defense
Great closer
Betemit is a grade A butcher. He only K’s and his defense is terrible. He should be the 24th man. Not a 1b starter.
I heard Kay say that too about Wang.
EDWAR RAMIREZ will prove once again tonight that the angels made a huge mistake by releasing him twice.
sign livan herandez?
Feel sorry for Joe Torre.
No DH.
6 outfielders Ethier, Pierre, Jones, Kemp, Young and
Manny for 3 spots.
Scott Boras agent for both Andruw Jones and Manny Ramirez, will want them both playing.
Players in Boston wanted Manny to leave.
Manny selfish-wouldn’t sign baseballs when kids with cancer came to visit the stadium.
Angels runs; over/under 10
There are better options than Livan.
Yankee Trader, yeah I guess that could do it…
Livan Hernandez is definitely not the answer for the Yanks.
He’s given up 199 hits and 29 walks in 139.2 IP – which computes to a 1.63 WHIP.
That very Ponson-esque – who has given up 109 hits and 28 walks in 82.1 IP and computes to a 1.66 WHIP.
No thanks. I trust Darrell Rasner and Ian Kennedy more than that.
It can’t possibly be Betemit’s salary that’s difficult to move. Cashman should have tried for Rich Aurila from the S.F. Giants among others at the deadline.
Wilson Betemit inf
1 year/$1.165M (2008)
re-signed 1/18/08 (avoided arbitration)
1 year/$0.405M (2007)
acquired in trade (from LA Dodgers) 7/31/07
re-signed 3/07
1 year/$0.345M (2006), re-signed 3/06
acquired in trade 7/06, with Dodgers paying Atlanta an undisclosed amount of cash as part of the deal
1 year/$0.316M (2005), re-signed 2/05
1 year/$0.3M (2003) (split contract) 2/03
agent: Scott Shapiro, MASS
ML service: 3.078
Are we doing the The “How many Runs Ponson gives up tonight” drinking game?
Vodka? Tequila? Whiskey?
Maybe it would be safer to stick with Water?
Forgive me if this has already been said, but I didn’t have time to scroll through all the posts so far:
The knee-jerk negative reactions to Betemit in the lineup — by Pete and posters alike — followed by the news that Nady has a sore quad, points up to a HILARIOUS DEGREE how ridiculous most of you are. I’m sorry, but when are you people going to get it through your thick skulls that Joe Girardi and his staff spend ALL DAY, nearly SEVEN DAYS A WEEK — and while on the road ACTUALLY LIVE WITH — the players they are choosing to put in the lineup each game.
Gee, do you think Girardi has a SLIGHTLY BETTER FEEL for what might work out on a given night than you do sitting at home in your boxers with your hand on your ***MOUSE***? Has it occurred to any of you armchair geniuses re:Betemit that Joe is trying to press the issue w/ Cashman — that he wants a 25th man who will produce, that he’s trying to get Betemit jump-started for THE GOOD OF THE TEAM?
It’s just preposterous, the presumptions that go on from top to bottom around here.
Are we doing the The “How many Runs Ponson gives up tonight†drinking game?
Vodka? Tequila? Whiskey?
Maybe it would be safer to stick with Water?
I realized he was on the mound and I started drinking instantly.
SA: How about sake? It’ll go better with my dinner.
Sake can be consumed too.
hey COUNT !…” I know you are, but what am I ?”
Rebecca, i would recommend a green apple sake.
SJ44,
Betemit sucks. I was excited upon his arrival to the Bronx but all the things that made me optimistic about Betemit are fading fast. I don’t mind that he strikes out a lot but I do mind that he has -4- walks all year. Thats atrocious and just flat out not acceptable given his role on the team. On top of that his defense sucks and he is not very fast. Whats his role on the team? To strikeout on three to four pitches?
You’re right about not being able to judge Christian on his current numbers. His minor league numbers suggest he is not afraid to walk, is a good base stealer, and can handle a bat at replacement level. While his major league line is a small sample size, its not exactly out of line with his minor league numbers.
Christian is definitely a better overall player then Betemit. I wish Damon could play 1B while Christian was in LF and Betemit was riding the pine.
Ed: Oooh, sounds good!
“Trisha
Pitching-emergence Saunders and Santana
Good contact hitters
Torii Hunter
Good defense
Great closer”
To add on…
Scot Shields
Jose Arredondo/Darren Oliver
Mike Scioscia
and the understanding that going with Eric Aybar at short and adding Garland as the fifth starter is much more valuable than having Orlando Cabrera
Count of Montefusco – That deserves a BINGO! and a hearty AMEN!
BINGO AND AMEN!!!!!
There is not a more sage post on this forum.
Vin, asbsolutely Mike Scoscia. I thought of that reading your first iteration. The guy is understated fantastic.
Q. We all realize how important every game is from now through the end of the year. That being said, is anyone else “kind of” hoping we win an 8-6, (the inevitable happens) Sir Sid is DFA’d and we see if IPK or Aceves is ready?
Santana is a year removed from “blowing up” in away starts: (1-10, 8.38, .325 BA)…and is showing signs of regressing.
Last Month: 4.85 / 1.38 L4: 6.00 / 1.42
When exactly does Chris Britton run out of options? I mean, how many more punches left on that ticket????
so surprising that the count and trisha would be in agreement, huh ?
Britton needs to be DFA’d just so we don’t see his fat butt ever again, IMHO…
When Joe Girardi was asked earlier if Sidney Ponson was pitching for his job tonight Girardi replied “he’s in the rotation today.” That does not sound like a ringing endorsement to me. It sounds like someone who is pitching for their job.
I do not understand why Nady is not in this line up. If he has a sore quad but is available to ph, then he can just as easily dh. We are in a do or die weekend. We failed to win 2-3 against the Orioles, dropped that make up game against Pittsburgh and therefore dropped 2-3 against Bucs, Cincy and lost 2-3 against the JAys before the break. This is the toughest series to date and we stand a real chance of losing all 4 games. Our rotation is compromised this weekend with Ponson and Rasner being 2 of the 4 starters and our best starter (Pettite) got lit up last night. Our season can end this weekend.
I do not understand How Girardi puts line ups together. Nady needs to play not sit the bench. I expect that we will get creamed tonight and Joe will use Nady in some meaningless situation during this game.
Congrats to the Rays for winning the AL east. And the Sox without Manny being Manny will rebound and win the WC, not because they are better than the Yanks but because Francona will use the players Theo traded for. This really sucks!
“so surprising that the count and trisha would be in agreement, huh ?”
And why is this so surprising/not surprising? Obviously the Count is a person who doesn’t knee jerk, doesn’t feel he is smarter than the Yankee organization, and doesn’t feel the need to play arm-chair GM. In a court of law, that would probably be a winning combination. Or do you really think there is any person on this forum who has better information with which to make decisions on the Yankees than the people in the Yankee organization? I do believe that was the Count’s entire point. It’s actually amazing that more people here aren’t quite so reality bound.
Yeah so I guess it would be very easy to see why I would agree with the Count’s perspective.
one day we will all be as smart and correct as trisha
Man, oh man, I just spent a couple of minutes typing a post, hitting submit by mistake, and then seeing that my comment didn’t come up anyway!
Anyway, just wanted to throw my 2 cents in regarding stats. I LOVE the WHIP stat. Easy to decipher and to figure out and it tells the story. Some stats, not so much for me. SJ44 is correct; unless the stats are used in a valid way they don’t tell you anything – or worse, they tell you the wrong thing. I would love to remember what OPS is, because it is used a lot and I get it confused with on-base percentage, which I don’t think it is. However, VORP – you can take that one out and blow it up – I know what the acronym means, but I really don’t see how it adds value to my understanding of the game and the performance of the players.
As for Sidney Ponson – I don’t think you can just spout his stats without also talking about his ground ball to fly ball ratio, because this is his only relative strength. It is how he gets away with 5 hits and 4 walks and 0 runs. Some of his ground balls will be hits, but some will result in double plays. That, I think is the explanation for Ponson’s mixed results. Do I think he’s a good pitcher? No, but I do think he can give a team an opportunity to win. I think better teams will kill him, so I’m not looking forward to tonight’s game.
Anyway, enjoy the game, all, as much as you can! Go Sir Sid!!
hmm i wonder about this for a while. If Nady and Xaiver are so good that everybody want them. How come Pirate is still dead last? On top of that they had Marte too…..
What’s the update on Nady’s health. I hate it when Channel 9 covers the Yankees games. First of all, there is no pre-game and update on player injuries and secondly, I can’t occupy a good five minutes before game time pondering whether, if given the opportunity, I’d do Kim Jones.
BTW, has Erin Andrews always been THAT stunning or was I not paying attention.
I seem to prefer dark-haired women so I always liked Bonnie Bernstein, but my god, I saw Erin Andrews recently in person. Wow, she’s model beautiful. I never watch ESPN except for Inside Baseball or Sunday night Yankees game, so I had no clue. How old is she? Anyone know?
Fran, I certainly hope he gets the job done then. It would be nice not to have to be scrambling at this point.
I actually like that Joe is working in Wilson, and the Nady injury clarifies why. Wilson had a good day yesterday with A Gonz getting traded. Anyone think the SS at AA will be ready in 3 years? I think Betemit will do well tonight, look for the Yankees to win a slugfest. Go Yanks!
“one day we will all be as smart and correct as trisha”
Oh give it up. I’m smart enough to know that I’m not smart enough to know more than the organization does. Maybe someday you’ll wake up and figure out the same thing about yourself.
trisha’s opinions should be taken as fact.
Doreen well let me say this about that. Of all the teams that we face in the course of a season, there isn’t a team I enjoy facing less. So for anyone who feels that Sidney shouldn’t be in the rotation I can totally understand why it would be screaming at them in tonight’s game.
That said, go Yankees and go Sidney!
Turns out I can’t go to tomorrows game. Is anyone interested in buying the ticket from me?
“trisha’s opinions should be taken as fact.”
True enough! So this is a fact. It would be great if you would bother someone else.
i mean nady and bay*….
Trisha – agreed. Hope Ponson turns in a good performance tonight.
You people should really calm down.
Afterall, It’s only August.
And it’s not like we’re playing the best team in baseball.
So everyone just relax and have faith in Girardi.
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy am I being subjected to FSN West when they are playing at home?
Extra Innings tendency to do that irritates me.
It would be great for YOU, yes….that is why I won’t stop.
Trisha -
The Angels always make me nervous. Don’t know if I’ll actually watch tonight’s game or just flip back and forth to it. I know it probably makes me sound like a fair weather fan, but life being what it is, I sometimes opt not to get agita from a source over which I have no control. In other words, it’s not good for me when I invest too much emotion in the what the Yankees do. So every now and then (when the Angels are the opposing team, for instance), I take a mental/emotional health break!
All right, Pete Abraham is putting the over/under on Ponson at three innings tonight.
It’s so on
Welp, here we go guys. I hope everyone has copious amounts of booze at the ready. Ponsanity is upon us!
…
Sidney Ponson retired Chone Figgins on the first pitch.
You can’t make this stuff up.
We are so screwed, I’ll start my prayers right now.
Doreen: OBS is OBP plus slugging percentage
Basically, combine your ability to get on base and your ability to smash the ball hard
Oh, and congrats to Karstens on shutting out the Cubs today. Pittsburgh is a much better environment for him and I really hope he continues to do well.
sidney ponson will pitch well 2nite and ervin will leave game with a high pitch count while giving up 5 runs or more
I can’t recall the last time Garrett Anderson didn’t have his way with Yankee pitching. Every series he does significant damage. Similar to Millar.
Me too, BBB.
lets go sir sidney
“Sidney Ponson retired Chone Figgins on the first pitch.
You can’t make this stuff up.”
and bobby abreu caught something
…Did we just see that?
Really?
Okay, offense, you HAVE to show up tonight. Absolutely HAVE to.
Nice 1st inning for Ponson
Wait…did Sir Sid really just retire the side 1-2-3? Ponsanity!!
BBB: There’s another word to describe it. Since I can’t say the actual word here, I’ll go with what St. Louis fans would say: MindFranklin.
Whoa Sir Sid! We need more of that. Nice start for him.
Offense? Hello? Get to it
I love the way people with their heads up their butts always need a cover when they end up looking like idiots. Especially the people who would jump off the GW Bridge if Pete said it was time.
Yeah nobody figured Sidney would make it out of the first inning. What a huge surprise. I have a good idea. Everyone take a drink.
So mature.
Okay, my daughter just got home and turned on the game in time for me to hear that Sir Sid retired the side in order. Way to start the game!
Pete,
Love the blog.
That said, among those qualifying for the ERA title this year, Livan Hernandez is the worst on hits/9, bb/9, k/bb, and so on and so forth.
He’s literally worse than Ponson. I mean, terrible.
Please don’t GIDP.
Ok, why do I have the Angels announcers on MLB Extra Innings?
Trisha: It’s part of the fun
That said, I ordered Chinese/Japanese food for dinner today ad they forgot the sauces! So no moo shu sauce, no soy sauce, no dumpling sauce…
Oh well.
damon swipe so we don’t get a GIDP and Jeter can make a productive out
was that really jeter hitting there…way to go buddy!!
Oh wait. I forgot. Sidney got lucky.
good morning afertoon and good night. way to take a picth
I just complained about that, Laura.
*isn’t impressed*
Trisha: Retiring the side in order is good…retiring the side when you have the bases loaded and no one out (as Ponson has done a few times) is lucky.
I ordered Chinese food for dinner last night and there was so much of it I’m having it for dinner tonight too. They sent all of the sauces, and lots of them. If I lived closer I’d share them with you!
Blargh -
Thanks for the tutoring. Now, does slugging include all extra base hits or just HRs?
great way to strike out on 3 pitches..
Rebecca I’m not buying. There is as much validity to saying it is skill as to saying it is luck!
346 comments in 1.1 innings. nice
Why can we not “get the runners over” when there are no outs?
How many times this year has this ruined a rally?
Uh, Yanks, the idea is to *score* the runs on the bases…
the Audio video sync on Mlb.tv is terrible
I am not digging all these freaking strike outs
Hanging slider… too bad.
Alonzo: You should have been here last night. I think we were up to 750 before the first pitch.
Well I think there’s one thing we can all agree on. Whether it is luck or skill, or whether it’s because he is a decent pitcher or a lousy pitcher who just got lucky, may it last!
Doreen: All extra base hits
Slugging is essentially a weighted batting average. Yaknow how batting average is hits divided by at-bats? All hits are equal in that; singles = doubles = triples = HRs. (1xSingles + 1xDoubles + 1xTriples + 1xHomeruns) / at-bats.
Slugging weights it such that it’s (1xSingles + 2xDoubles + 3xTriples + 4xHomeruns) / at-bats.
Mulligan… that is exactly the problem with this team…
This team produces an inordinate amount of “empty outs”
Yeah. It is lucky to a certain degree, but it also requires a certain amount of chutzpah to not lose it when pitching with men on base.
Not starting the negative too early but what the hell good is ARod in the #4 position if he cannot hit with RISP.
The batting order needs to be adjusted somehow, mayb flip-flop Abreu and ARod, but standing there watching pitches and only hitting when it is insignificant does not put W’s in the books.
And right now, Giambi needs a week off. He is just overmatched by every pitcher he faces.
Glad Abreu and ARod decided to “show up’ tonight…guys you’re playing the Best Team in MLB…any opportunities must be taken.
They do need to get Giambi out of the five spot. His numbers with RISP are horrendous–batting him there is killing the offense.
Not that Bobby and A-rod’s strike outs helped, either.
Well, that sucked.
0-3 with RISP in just one inning. This is going to be a great night.
that was just pitiful. is it too much to ask to lay down a bunt, or even make contact with the ball?
Pretty unimpressive 1st inning for Abreu, ARod and Giambi
A-rod is the next dan marino.. Does he ever get it..
Again, our big chance and we blew it. Take a lead there and it changes the entire outlook of the game.
Giambi batting 5th is idiotic. This guy is hitting .200 with RISP and can’t catch up to a fastball right now or drive the ball and he’s hitting behind A-Rod? Girardi needs to wake up and face the stats that he loves so much and stop being so loyal.
wonder if oneil can come out from the booth and pinch hit for someone.
Giambi should let go after this year.
I hate his angry swing and the dumb fielding shift that comes along with him
Is anyone really that shocked that just happend? If so, you haven’t been watching to many Yankee games this year.
“Not starting the negative too early but what the hell good is ARod in the #4 position if he cannot hit with RISP.”
Are you kidding? Most people are negative when the damn lineups are posted. Starting being negative in the bottom of the first is positively restrained!
the Audio video sync on Mlb.tv is terrible
symbolic of the Yankees offense. Here the sound of the bat but realize it is another DP, Flyout, Groundout, pop up… where if they were in sync, the sound of the bat would represent an actual hit with a run scoring.
Talk about what came first the chicken or the egg.
When the offense doesn’t click, there is so much damned pressure on the pitcher to make perfect pitches. When pitchers try to be that fine, they get in trouble. Then it looks like our pitchers don’t know how to get the job done. It’s like a cat chasing its tail.
Oh good grief, Matt has started his thing already.
OK, I know someone will cry that I’m making excuses for A-Rod, but does anyone else suspect that maybe he is pressing to try and compensate for the offensive black hole that Giambi has been behind him in the recent past?
Just wondering cause honestly, it is getting to the point where if A-rod comes up with men on and 1 out, I involuntarily find myself thinking “cmon Alex, you’re our last chance” b/c I am THAT positive Giambi won’t get a hit.
So if I’m thinking that, maybe Alex himself is thinking along the same lines? And we all know that kind of thinking hinders him greatly in those situations.
on a good note the angels are not a patient team so as long as sidney throws strikes we should be in good shape.
“Mulligan… that is exactly the problem with this team…
This team produces an inordinate amount of “empty outsâ€
This year “kills me” and I know we’ve been spoiled… the Yankee teams during “the run” were AMAZING at timely hitting and sacrificing for the good of the team.
Kazmir is at 32 pitches in the first inning
Typical Yankees. First 2 runners on, then nohing. Am at The Stadium and you could just sense people expecting failure with risp.
…Who the heck is doing the PA anouncing? For a moment there I thought we were on the road.
Another 1-2-3?
What the…?
Look at Sidney – 20 pitches for 2 innings 6 in a row!!
My goodness, is it the 2nd inning or the 9th?
Things aren’t over yet.
Okay, I think it’s fair to say that with Kyle gone, Sidney has become my new pet project.
Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!’s here}
August 1st, 2008 at 7:26 pm
“Not starting the negative too early but what the hell good is ARod in the #4 position if he cannot hit with RISP.â€
Are you kidding? Most people are negative when the damn lineups are posted. Starting being negative in the bottom of the first is positively restrained!
That was well stated. Funny!!!! So true. Sad, but so true.
“A-rod is the next dan marino.. Does he ever get it..”
So A-Rod is the greatest of all time at his position?
I’m sure he’d thank you for your compliment but remind you about George Brett and Mike Schmidt…
And wow, another 1-2-3 for Sid?
what can you say that has not already been said about our clutch hitting.. the thing that bothers me is abreu swung at a pitch 1.5 off the plate for strike 3.
giambi is well under 200 with RISP..
Sir Sidney-My liver and I are very pleased at your performance so far. Keep it up.
AT the curent rate this team doesn’t deserve to make the playoffs. Bobby ABreu should have been removed from the 3 hole about a year ago. This is just ridicluous. He is not the best hitter on the team, which is what the 3 hitter should be. Cano & Gaimbi, even Jeter or Damon would do a better job hitting third. Abreu should be hitting in RObbie’s spot, around 7th in the lineup.
And I am still waiting for A rod to mature. A 40 home run hitting guess hitter is not what we pay him for. We pay him to make contact and drive in runs. I hope the next DECADE he does something more than guess at pitches looking for dingers. If he doesn’t change, this team will not win a championship in his time here and they won’t deserve too either. I am SICK AND TIRED OF PSUEDO YANKEE BASEBALL!!!!
no matter what please dont give this guy another start
Exactly. A-Rod doesn’t “choke,” he presses because the lineup around him is not hitting well. When you bat a guy behind him who hits .200 with RISP and until recently, a guy ahead of him who doesn’t get on base, it’s easy to see why he thinks he has to hit a home run every at bat for this team to have a chance to win.
If A-Rod can trust the guys around him to do their jobs, he’ll take his walk, or he’ll move the runners up, because he knows that someone can drive them in. If nobody can drive them in, then him making out to move runners up is a waste, because you know they’ll be stranded regardless unless you do something yourself.
So, if last night it was Pudge’s fault Pettitte sucked, is it because of him that Ponson is doing great so far tonight?
Everybody needs a pet. Hope he’s more of a chia pet, than a pet rock though.
Thanks, Blargh! I have a new stat in my vocabulary, thanks to you!
Gotta love the remarks about Karstens and his game, today…”Why can’t we remark made ae get a pitcher like that?” Correct me if I’m wrong, but. with a game WHIP of 1.50, wasn’t he just lucky? Ponson and Rasner both have had those kind of games and that’s all people harped about, including that made the remark.
SA: Taking over the comedy bit from Nick?
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Problem, this season, is what are the other options? He was eventually moved out of cleanup in 2004, 2005 and 2006 because of his problems with RISP, but there were better options then. Giambi is even worse than he is this year. Of course, Giambi is only hitting .250-.260. The disparity between his overall average and that with RISP is probably less than Rodriguez’s.
“Everybody needs a pet. Hope he’s more of a chia pet, than a pet rock though.”
oh, and sorry to engage the trolls, but if I have a greater sports related pet peeve than people comparing A-Rod to Marino AS AN INSULT, then I dont know about it.
Rebecca-lol Oh no. Where has Nick been btw?
BBB
What’s worse is the pitcher may be thinking the same thing. If they want A-Rod to see multiple fastballs in an AB, he needs a threat behind him.
Horrible pitch to swing at, Cano.
Bay produces first run for the red sox
You see this is the apologism that I can’t stand. It’s somehow Giambi’s fault that Arod stinks with RISP. This is just nonsense, IMO. And in 2004 when he had Sheffield excelling at it, what was his excuse? This has nothing to do with Giambi.
SA: I have no idea.
Yanks, umm, Sidney is handing you this game on a silver platter.
Can we please take it?
In defense of A-Rod, that slider from Santana was pretty nasty. I doubt any of you could have hit it.
At least Bete didn’t whiff…
Is there any way we could buy Wilson a hit?
“Bay produces first run for the red sox”
He walked and scored on a sac fly. How is that producing a run?
Laura: Which would be why none of us are being paid to.
*cue more snarky comments about the Pudge Rodriguez Era*
….cause Jose Molina would have looked SO MUCH BETTER striking out there!
Larry, do you know what you’re talking about? A-Rod had some of the biggest clutch hits of any Yankee player in recent years in the 2004 playoffs with Sheffield hitting behind him. Nobody will ever throw A-Rod a fastball over the plate unless he has a guy behind him that’s feared.
Giambi is not feared. He hits .200 with RISP, .250 on the season, and can’t turn around a hard fastball anymore unless it’s down and away. Cano is more feared than Giambi by far, and even Abreu, who leads the AL in 2-strike hits and hits well with RISP.
The hitter can only do so much when the pitchers are all pitching around him because there are no other threats in the lineup. Would you let A-Rod beat you if you saw who was in the on deck circle? Of course not.
“In defense of A-Rod, that slider from Santana was pretty nasty. I doubt any of you could have hit it.”
You’re kidding, right? That was a hanger right down the middle. It just didn’t end up in the new YS because A-Rod was sitting FB all the way.
Lets keep bashing sir sidney
Kasmir walked 4 in the first. DET only got 1 run though.
True, Laura. That was excellent pitching, but let’s not act like that has been the norm. Arod just gets pitched to unbelievably in RISP situations. Well,it’s not my perception anyway.
ponson has a perfect game going!!
Laura just checked it out and thought the same thing. Bay drew a walk. That’s it.
I don’t think even obama has enough money to buy betemit a hit.
If you say so, Pedro.
Okay -
Tell me (I know the answer), what is ARod’s career avg with RISP? And What is his career BA?
His worst year by far with RISP was his first year here in NY.
I just looked this up in a “conversation” with my husband. It is enlightening.
BBB you might be right about Alex but honestly, he is a headcase with a Superman complex.
Until Alex learns to be a baseball player who will do what needs to be done instead of the savior for the team, he will always struggle in situations like that.
Plus, if you watch his leg kick has gotten higher and his swing has gotten longer causing his bat to drag through the zone. this is a completely – very bad – different swing the he had last year.
Perhaps he should be on a series of 1 year contracts so he can perform every year as a contract year.
“Well,it’s not my perception anyway.”
Perception doesn’t equal reality.
Wakefield is pitching a no hitter…
The point is, they need someone not named Giambi to hit behind Alex.
Am I really out for the season?
Pat: Yeah, Giambi’s recent slump is a huge advantage for pitchers. They know it, too, especially the Angels who are so well coached.
It is way past time to make a change, Giambi’s job is to protect A-Rod and he ain’t cutting it. But who would you put there instead? I like the way Nady’s been swinging the bat lately, but he’s still so new and now has the sore quad.
Matt, I do know what I’m talking about. Rodriguez gets challenged on a regular basis. He is not inordinately pitched around. If you think he is, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Santana is a very good pitcher with a very good breaking ball. Did you think he was going to do nothing but throw the ball down the middle?
Rodriguez had several clutch hits in 2004, most notably the one off Nathan in the ALDS, but his overall clutch numbers were far below his overall numbers. And he was moved out of cleanup because of how poorly he was hitting with RISP.
The 3,4 combo of Abreu and Arod is the most overrated in the game. Abreu is probably the most overrated 270 hitting 3 hole hitter in the history of the game of baseball. The guy reminds me of Garrett Anderson production-wise. I’m just waiting for Torre, I mean Joe, to move him out of the 3 hole already!!!!!!!!!!! Was there a clauser in the trade with Philly that said Abreu MUST HIT THIRD IN EVERY GAME HE EVER PLAYS WITH THE NEW YORK YANKEES!!!!!!! I am going insane waiting for him to mover out of the hole and into the 7 spot where he belongs!!!!!!!!!
If he doesn’t walk, he doesn’t score.. Thus he produced the run? Dur?? dur??
I think thats why they’re rehabbing Matsui and giving him a chance to come back, rather than sending him for surgery. He is a much better threat batting behind A-Rod.
chien ming wang August 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Am I really out for the season?
Maybe we will see you in Oct(if we make it to the postseason).
did anyone notice that Kay couldn’t stop talking about how hot ABreu was? boom, strike out
Dan Marino is my all-time favorite football player. Being compared to him on any level is certainly a good thing.
When we discuss averages with RISP, don’t tell me career. What has he done as a Yankee? People here didn’t give Randy Johnson a pass because he won 5 Cy Youngs
before he got here. As a Yankee, this is Rodriguez. First overall than RISP.
2004 .286/.248
2005 .321/.290
2006 .290/.302
2007 .314/.333
2008 .326/.250ish
Exactly. When Matsui was behind A-Rod he was on fire at the end of May and through early-mid June because they feared Matsui and his .330 average and high average with RISP. It’s all about his protection, and since he’s cerebral and overthinks, you can’t have him in a position where he knows he has to do it all himself or he’ll struggle.
Has any one realized we have a 90′s all star team
Sexson, Jeter, Damon, Giambi, Ivan..
Hahhahah
Sidney came to play today.
Hope the Yankee offense decides to do the same.
Another good inning for Sir Sidney.
Now the Yanks need to get hime some runs.
Ponson has the magic words through 3
So see this is the same Angels team that kicked our asses last night, and you see Sidney Ponson so far has really held them down.
Awful pitchers really can’t do that.
Nice. No hitter through 3 innings for Ponson!!
We need to call the Police. Someone has kidnapped Sidney Ponson and replaced him with a competent pitcher.
Who is this pitcher? And why did he eat Ponson?
OH THE PONSANITY!!!!!!
YEAH SIR SID!!
You can also add, dan marino was never a choker artist.His Offense line and no running game is why he never won superbowls. But dan is still the best quarter back ever
When the hell did the Yankees pick up a pitcher that was not afraid of the Angels.
Man I missed that transaction.
eom
He wasn’t on fire with Matsui behind him. Not with RISP. Hell, he’s been on fire overall the last 10 days with Giambi behind him. His overall average has gone up 15-20 points.
Larry, I don’t think 05, 06 and 07 were all that bad.
no hit still intact!
Sir Sidney just said-put the vodka bottles away. No drinking game tonight.
giuseppe…danny boy is my favorite athlete of all time period…i got to watch him for 16 seasons as my parents have had phins season tickets since 69. He made people around him better…i dont see a-rod making people around him better..someone made the point before that a-rod presses because he knows that he has to shoulder the team. The reason he hit so well last yr was because bowa was on him day after day to just relax and hit singles….
Doreen
.307 BA career
.304 RISP career
Here’s the link
http://www.baseball-reference......38;year=00
Now if only the Yankees could score a run or 5..
Still early. i have to work or it would be a drinking night with this friggin offense
So the pitcher’s not afraid of the angels, but the hitters sure are.
while santana is having an one hit shutout..
I don’t know the numbers but it seems like Damon has been struggling big time after the injury.
pat -
Thanks, I had looked it up before I asked the question. It’s why I asked the question.
Remember the people bitching and moaning about “Oh, we’re being no-hit by Garland!”
How about the Angels fans right now. They’ve been held to a walk by Sidney Ponson!
And Hernandez has no place on the American League. Like Ponson, he’s been lousy, but his lousiness has been hidden by terrific run support.
It’s all relative, Doreen. .290 by itself isn’t that bad, but it was 30 points below his overall average. The bottom line here, as a Yankee, his situational hitting tends to be worse than his overall hitting. I have a problem with that if many are going to use the superlatives that they use to describe this guy.
It’s really a lot more character building to say “Gee I was wrong about Ponson not being able to pitch” than to try to keep making excuses to cover an obvious built-in prejudice.
However, I don’t expect to see that here!
“You see this is the apologism that I can’t stand. It’s somehow Giambi’s fault that Arod stinks with RISP. This is just nonsense, IMO”
Two questions:
1) As the number 5 hitter, is it not Giambi’s job to protect the cleanup hitter?
2) Is he doing it?
Nobody’s saying A-Rod didn’t have preexisting problems with RISP, but Giambi stinking it up behind him only compounds them. You say we’re A-Rod apologists, aren’t you being a Giambi apologist by giving him a free pass so you can conveniently blame the whole thing on A-Rod?
Rebecca–Optimist Prime
August 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm
So the pitcher’s not afraid of the angels, but the hitters sure are.
Bingo. If ever there was a case where a teams presence was a huge advantage, it is the Angels over the Yankees.
…Did our offense just give up or something?
I think I heard Olan say that Wakefield is still pitching a NO HITTER.
hits, walks, runs…please
Perfect example of what I mentioned before just occured. 3-2 breaking ball to Jeter.
He didn’t throw Jeter that pitch because he’s not afraid of Abreu, he threw it because he’s a very good pitcher who makes tough pitches.
Until Jeter just came up the announcer was neither Bob Sheperd nor his imitator. Sounded like you were in Tampa or something. Anyone else notice that recently? Anyway, there is a palpable sense of futility here in the Bronx (despite Ponson’s miraculous first 3 innings).
It would have been lovely if the Yankees could have plated even one run in the first.
It’s OPPOSITE DAY!!
Jeter’s actually taking pitches.
Some other pitcher that looks like Ponson is on the mound.
well that was pathetic.
Weren’t some of you voting for Giambi for the AS game? Please. He sucks. Glad I didn’t vote for him.
Yeah Betemit stinks doesn’t he?
Geesh.
“You say we’re A-Rod apologists, aren’t you being a Giambi apologist by giving him a free pass so you can conveniently blame the whole thing on A-Rod?”
How about the Angels fans right now. They’ve been held to a walk by Sidney Ponson!
Dude, it is the 4th inning and IT IS PONSON…
Not that I hope it happens but give him time to blow up. All he needs tonight is one of the patented innings and it could be a long night.
Pete, is that one of the immortal signs the Yankees are going to win the game?
Or is that just Wilson saying “this is why I’m in the game tonight?”
Betemit is playing good D!
Boy, Sidney’s lucky today.
I count 3 out of Sid’s last 10 starts where he didn’t give us at least a decent chance to win.
that’s not right, the Betemit i know doesnt make gold glove plays. i will have to give him credit for making the leaping catch.
Doreen
You’d make a good lawyer and must be a good Mom. Both never ask a question they don’t know the answer to. Then you know who’s lying to you.
Nice catch Betch!
Whats the latest RISP BA for A-rod? Gotta be like .094…
Willllsonnnnnnn… nice catch.
Wilson Betemit robbing doubles?!?!?!?!?
Welcome to BizzarroWorld!!
But if Giambi is doing such a horrible job of potecting Rodriguez, how has his average risen 15 points the last 10 days?
Yes, absolutely Giambi has been horrible situationally this year. Difference is, I’m acknowledging his failings, not trying to pass them off on someone else.
Maybe you’d have to say 4 out of 10, if you say 4 ER in 7 innings doesn’t give us a decent chance to win.
His other 6 games were quite strong.
It’s OPPOSITE DAY!!
Just like the Seinfeld show where Elaine met the “other Jerry and crew”
Now that Jeter is out, the generic announcer is back.
The great Betamit… lol
O Neill blooper needs to be put on YOUTUBE right now!
paulie and kay are pissing themselves in the both — kenny is like wtf is going on here.
“Yes, absolutely Giambi has been horrible situationally this year. Difference is, I’m acknowledging his failings, not trying to pass them off on someone else.”
Didn’t look that way to me.
Wakefield no longer throwing a no-hitter.
Ponson’s is still intact.
Whiff-
those are 2 different Seinfeld episodes.
“Boy, Sidney’s lucky today.”
Yeah he sure is! He was lucky when he pitched against the Mets, the Rays, and Minny too. That a lot of luck isn’t it? Lucky lucky Sidney.
Wasn’t Torii supposed to be out for a family situation?
Whiff you’re confusing two episodes, there was Bizarro Jerry with the three similar guys, and the Opposite episode is when George told Steinbrenner off and got the Yankees Assistant to the Traveling Secretary job.
….Okay, now THAT is a sign.
Thats tomorrow, TK.
Larry,
I just think ARod’s not nearly as bad as some say. However, I would agree that he’s not great in those situations – or at least, he’s not consistently good. My husband and I agree to disagree about ARod. He thinks he’s the most overrated superstar in any sport. I tend to be more lenient in my assessment.
Wow – Abreu made a really good play at the wall. Now would be a good time for some offense!
worst right fielder in baseball…how dare he?
is this a dream? Bobby making catches against the wall? Betemit making a leaping catch?
wow………
Yeah can I hear all the feigned surprise about Bobby and the wall?
Well, then you misread it because I said very little about Giambi specifically. I addressed Rodriguez more. Once I addressed Giambi, I’m not trying to deflect his share of the blame.
holy SCHNIKES….maybe it is opposite day…BOBBY ABREU hitting the fence to make a catch….
who is that in right field and what has he done with Bobby Abreu?!
Sidney looking very impressive through 4. He really wants to stay in the rotation.
ok Ponson pitching like a diferent person, Wilson making great defensive plays and Bobby into the wall. We have to win this game
yeah rebecca…..a minor sign.
how many warning track outs has that been? I count three.
I am as optimistic as they come regarding Ponson. And even I have to express my great fear that this line-drive/deep-flyball show is a recipe for disaster.
Runs, please!
A catch at the wall?!? Bobby??? Is that really you?!?
This is surreal. Baseball is a hell of a game
Nice play by Abreu. Looks like there’s a little bounce off the wall. Extra padding?
OK Ponson is pitching well…
Betemit is playing Defense
Jeter and others are taking pitches
Abreu goes near the wall.
WHO THE F*** ARE THE ANGELS PLAYING TONIGHT. I thought it was suppose to be Yankees v Angels….
MLB owes me a refund for giving me the wrong game.
no hit thru 4….we gonna get a no hit game from ponson and lose to angel cuz we can’t score worth shxx
Wow-
Sidney Ponson has a no-hitter through 4 innings!!
Agreed, Doreen, in that much of the criticism is over the top. Things like the Afreud nonsense. This is all relative criticism. The Yankees should be so lucky that all their players performed at Arod’s level.
No actually these players have all done similar things in other games. It’s when your own prejudices blind you to the good in certain players that you are actually surprised when you finally notice their skills.
That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it!
Thanks Angel – Just got in – Sir Sidney up to his usual tricks I assume?
I don’t have the game on TV. Was Ponson hit hard that last inning?
Jeff NJ…
You are right. Crap screwed that one up.
Great episode when George told off Steinbrenner. Classic.
So this is what the twilight Zone is like. Cool
“Yeah he sure is! He was lucky when he pitched against the Mets, the Rays, and Minny too. That a lot of luck isn’t it? Lucky lucky Sidney.”
During all three of those games, he was generating grounders. Even against Minny, I was encouraged by the fact that even if they were hit hard, he was keeping his sinkers down and pitching with good velocity.
Today, he looks terrible.
Speaking of terrible, WTF A-Rod?
…Alex, that wasn’t what you were supposed to do.
wow…a-rod….just wow
Nice at bat, “A-rod”
I LOVE BOBBY!
He’s actually been battling, I guess you’d say. He’s certainly not letting the Angels offense push him around, to this point in the game.
Nice AB Arod.
time to call your Kaballah spiritual leader and have him pound the nonsense our of your mindless skull….
time to pull your head out.
Steve Palermo had better recommend that the HP ump from last night get his eyes checked.
Wow, I just noticed that we’ve AVERAGED scoring 9 runs for Sid in his last 10 starts. Let’s keep that up tonight!
“Nice at bat, “A-rod—
We’re ten games above .500. 10 over. Not 10 under, ten over. And you are TRYING not to lose hope?
“I don’t have the game on TV. Was Ponson hit hard that last inning?”
Trader some balls were hit hard but thankfully right at people. He’s looked really good.
Trader, if you are out of the NY area and want to watch the game over the internet, give me your email addy and I will send you my MLB account information.
Man, Texeira almost had time to set up a stool and start a campfire before that came down for him to catch.
you know whats funny. melky might be our best contact hitter. he has only struck out 50 times per year in the last three years. scary.
“Today, he looks terrible.”
Ron, I told you to stop it with overdoing the gange!!!
Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club)
August 1st, 2008 at 8:09 pm
“Nice at bat, “A-rodâ€â€
We’re ten games above .500. 10 over. Not 10 under, ten over. And you are TRYING not to lose hope?
Dude, it’s easy for you, you have faith in Betemit. That makes you a step above optomistic. And I am naturally just a step below optomistic, it’s just how I am.
We can’t buy a run, can we?
Please get Bobby home
Can Cano just get hot and STAY hot?
Ugh the RISP monster is back
Proud of Michael Kay. I’ll say why in a few innings…
Cano is back… back to not hitting.
All the Bobby haters are quiet the last few weeks. Good!
Ponson…WOW!
Great game thus far!
Now, I’d like to see Manny go 3-4 and the A’s beat the Sox.
Andy Hawkins must be smiling
somebody need to get cano dad in new york ASAP!
“And I am naturally just a step below optomistic, it’s just how I am.”
The quota of these kind of people has been well and truly reached on this blog.
0 for 5 and with RISP.
“Ron (President of the Wilson Betemit Fan Club)
August 1st, 2008 at 8:09 pm
“Nice at bat, “A-rodâ€â€
We’re ten games above .500. 10 over. Not 10 under, ten over. And you are TRYING not to lose hope?
Dude, it’s easy for you, you have faith in Betemit. That makes you a step above optomistic. And I am naturally just a step below optomistic, it’s just how I am.”
I don’t think anyone who has lost hope in their team when they are in striking distance of first place and 10 games over with a bunch of guys hurt deserves to be called a fan.
jesus this game is painful to watch. Can’t seem to generate any kind of offense here.
Dang it.
The Yankees may not be seeing the ball well, but they’re getting some good at-bats.
Just a few more innings, Sidney.
No hitter gone
So who jinxed the no hitter? Pete? Us?
“0 for 5 and with RISP.”
You know, anyone watching the game knows this, because Michael Kay doesn’t stop talking about not (right or not). So why the hell must you never contribute anything but doom and gloom, either in the form of inane pronouncements or stats?
Just asking.
is there a way to find out how guys hit against good pitching? I think someone mentioned last night the Yanks beat up on BAD pitchers, is there a way to find out how the yanks do as a team against the elite pitchers??
They just cannot consistently get hits when it counts.. Angels with the leadoff runner on that usually does not end good…..
Well there goes the No hitter
there goes the perfect game.
The Dodgers gave Manny 99 for a number? What the hell does that mean?
er… no-no
Awwww Sid. It was a valiant effort.
dumb a$$ abreu should have caught that …….the lazy bum
If Ponson gets through this inning without giving up a run, I’m sure we’ll win. You can write that down.
another against the wall catch? wow….
Abreu’s training with the wall is paying off.
they are starting to time his pitches. not pretty
I think Abreu has been reading the comments on this blog.
Pete jinxed it and Pete knows better. He has to be ballistic that Sidney is pitching well because it makes him look ridiculous with all the blah blahing he’s been doing about how “awful” Sidney is.
Good job Pete!
However, Olan and a few others did it also. I didn’t bother saying anything when they did because it was already too late.
Yeah, that Arod is awful. Only leads the league in hitting.
Damn him!
OMG….Bobby!!!!
Can we grind out a friggin at-bat, please?
A-Rod pop out, Cano pop-out on 1-0 counts?
But I have to say I am really impressed by Michael Kay. He never said the magic words. Great job Michael!
Hhmmm
strikes Sir Sidney. Walks=bad
Sir Sidney really cannot afford to walk human beings when hitters are hitting over .300 against him.
ponson with the walks he thinks he can strike guys out….
abreu has been near the wall twice, the first 2 times this year…
Maybe 99 means 99 days until Manny declares FA.
It could mean 99 bottles of beer on the wall in his apt.
Maybe 99 FM is his favorite radio station.
Could be he has 99 illegitimate children.
Yeah Sidney, you’ve only gone 4+ innings giving up nothing. How dare you look at all human!
Come on Sidney – hold it together here!
Uh oh.
Who’s warming up.
Sir Sidney getting tired?
needs moar strikes pls
well the real ponson has finally come out of the dugout to pitch
we will see how the angels hot with RISP compared to our zillionaires.
I forgot it is all luck.. my bad..
Oh dear
Shave Me!!
At least Chone can’t steal first
ruh-roh
can we through strikess pleasee. dam itt..
Well here it is… the Ponson inning.
You knew it was coming.
two things finally ponson is finally exploding and abreu just purchased a ticket to take his ass out of ny
Are we allowed to say Ponson stinks yet?
nausea is coming – get the freaking outs, please
I hope you’re all listening to Paul O’Neill who said the exact thing I said at the beginning of the game. When your offense gives you nothing, you need to pitch perfect. Not good for any pitcher.
robertson warming up really quick
“Yeah, that Arod is awful. Only leads the league in hitting.
Damn him!”
Don’t be spoiling rants with insignificant things like facts. You should know better than to lay a Fact Smackdown on people.
Big out there, get this guy and all is forgiven.
HOUDINI!
….
Harry Houdini.
Milagro!
All of you naysayers – Sidney escapes the jam. Good job
w00t
Sidney Ponson is the Houdini of baseball.
Wow
Just wow
Ponsanity reigns supreme for another inning!!
Good job Sidney. I told you tonight would be a slugfest, both teams are playing like slugs.
he gave you 5 shutout innings next base runner on base adios….
wow Figgans looked like a Yankee…
are you kidding me – no runs in!!! c’mon offense!!!!!!!!
Maybe the offense can friggin do something god…
ARUBAN VOODOO
Holy Houdini
Lemme put my bottle of liquid happiness down.
We need to win this damn game. Score some runs!
LA Yankees!
What happened? video shut down and all the little red basepaths disappeared…
red sox up 1-0 still on the run bay scored.
Seriously, if Ponson’s pitching doesn’t motivate the offense to stop play like a bunch of Nancy’s, I don’t know what will.
He just did what Andy could not do last night. How many more friggin signs do these overpaid hacks need to start using their bats for something other than baseball card pictures.
There is no way that Sidney should have five scoreless, one-hit innings under his belt with a 2-12 GB/FB ratio and 4 walks. That shouldn’t even be possible.
Send him out with a really short leash.
“well the real ponson has finally come out of the dugout to pitch”
“Well here it is… the Ponson inning.
You knew it was coming.”
“two things finally ponson is finally exploding and abreu just purchased a ticket to take his ass out of ny”
“Are we allowed to say Ponson stinks yet?”
The pride of the lohud blog. How freakin pathetic.
Its not pretty but, its 5 shutout innings against the best team in baseball. In a lot of ways, its all you can ask of the guy.
Its too bad offense is such a struggle for this team because Ponson is giving them what they need.
Hopefully, this is the inning they can get something going.
I vote to not let Ponson go another inning!!
We need lucky tonight.
I believe, Wilson! I BELIEVE!
Wow, that was kind of a downer.
I thought jeter was up there for a second. Was it him?
Can’t blame Jeter for that GIDP
Not for nothing, Molina can hit into DPs. I thought Pudge was going to be bringing some offense.
I miss Karstens.
/sarcasm.
But seriously, Pudge, I think John Flaherty was better than this.
The problem is Ron the game isn’t just played with a stat sheet.
Is the guy Cy Young? No. But, give him credit, he’s battling out there.
I doesn’t mean he can do this for 20 starts. Tonight is all that matters. Its a game by game thing with the #4 and #5 guys in the rotation. Its all we can hope for right now.
Geez, another DP. They are brutal with the DP’s this year. Its kills rallys everytime.
will -
#12,
not #2 –
Eight pitches?
Hank Steinbrenner, this team needs you. Where have you disappeared to?
Another DP machine in our team, just great.
The good news is, melky delivered like he always does.
Gotta start Ponson in the 6th. You can’t burn out the bullpen with a 5 inning start. They don’t have a day off for another 10+ days.
You have to hope he has another inning in him. It will make things easier to manage re: bullpen use for the rest of the weekend.
How shocking is it that Ponson has pitched better than Pettite did? That is shocking and disturbing all at the same time.
Back to work Sidney
Baseball is a strange game.
i love how people on this blog feel entitled to make fun of others, when they themselves are just as or even more negative ….
“The problem is Ron the game isn’t just played with a stat sheet.”
No, it isn’t. But If Ted Lilly were pitching, I’d be alarmed by a 2-12 ratio and four walks. Ponson’s pitching, and he’s supposed to be (and has been) a sinkerballer. He’s resembling a past-his-prime fireballer tonight, and he cannot keep this going. He has to actually PITCH better in his next start, or its Boston all over again.
Calling Mr.Bonds Barry Bonds. We need someone to hit near 300 and pitchers pitching around you…
Arod needs bonds hitting in front of him. They’d either have to walk bonds (like they always do) or pitch to arod with a man on most of the time…
I don’t know that you should expect anyone coming into the Bronx to turn into Babe Ruth in one day. Unless you are really believing that Pudge will never hit again.
Looks like it needs to be Escape from Alcatraz – starring Sidney Ponson for one more inning.
Ponson pitching an incredible, gritty game and what does the offense do to respond? An 8 pitch 5th and barely a whimper. The offense being so weak is the reason we are where we are, NOT Ponson and Rasner. And Rasner and Ponson have each pitched good games this week and neither has gotten any run support.
Last year’s offense scoring 6 runs a game and we’re already in first place with this year’s pitching.
Ponson is on his way out!
Stop whining.
The game is tied, not lost
Why is he still out there? wtf
“How shocking is it that Ponson has pitched better than Pettite did? That is shocking and disturbing all at the same time.”
The defense behind Andy, while certainly not an excuse for the three-run bombs he gave up, was just abysmal. Ponson’s getting stellar glove work behind him, and from unlikely sources.
oh boy
Hope Girardi has a quick hook in this inning if need be.
Laura: It’s ust a little disturbing.
The disheartening thing is that the offense has done nothing. I thought it was supposed to have gotten better at the deadline, and it looks horrible right now, outside of Bobby and X.
warming in the bullpen?
I swear the offense does this just because they don’t want Matt to have nothing to post about.
Ponson has Milky!
that was hit HARD lol
Nice DP!
Vlad looks like a Yankee hitter.
this is not real Ponson… – but we’ll take it.
turnabout’s fairplay
Un otro milagro!
Wow! He somehow got thru 6!
Nice quick inning for Sidney.
Okay.
So honestly, did anyone think Sidney would be two-hitting the Angels through six?
Seriously.
Anyone?
Definitely not me…
Sir Sidney slaying the dragon, I guess the offense must be the damsel in distress
Maybe if Angel had something to post about instead of starting a flame war every post…
You contribute far more to the problems on this blog than anyone you continue to whine about, who unlike you, actually discuss BASEBALL instead of trying to bash everyone who doesn’t act like a cheerleader for not being a “true fan.”
Santana is actually a decent pitcher.
Griffy with an RBI single in his first plate aperrance as a white sox
Oh God. He’s going to get killed by the Rangers. Again.
Another rocket.
Well, everything went wrong in the field and on the mound yesterday. Just about everything’s gone right today.
That’s baseball, I suppose.
Otro Milagro? Los milagros se acaban! I hope we get runs first!
I’m shocked. But it’s just typical :p Neither of the 2 can mesh together. hitting well and pitching well as of late.
“a quick hook in this inning if need be”
Silly me – who needs a quick hook when you have PONSANITY?!
AWESOME job by Ponson.
I also want to say that I am hardly the only person on this forum who has been supportive of Ponson and has recognized that he has done a decent job for the Yankees.
Good work teammates!
“The disheartening thing is that the offense has done nothing. I thought it was supposed to have gotten better at the deadline, and it looks horrible right now, outside of Bobby and X.”
I continue to be baffled by our lack of offense. It’s just mind boggling. Just can’t wrap my brain around it.
“You contribute far more to the problems on this blog than anyone you continue to whine about, who unlike you, actually discuss BASEBALL instead of trying to bash everyone who doesn’t act like a cheerleader for not being a “true fan.—
You think what you do is discussing baseball? Truly?
I guess Pudge didn’t get the memo about how HoFers should function with their new clubs…
6 innings, 2H 0Runs 4BB 1SO 87 pitches
Um we need to win this game
someone (on the Yankees) score a bloody run fer cripes’ sake!
someone (on the Yankees) score a bloody run fer cripes’ sake!
i think the order breaks through this inning
You who admitted that you have nothing to contribute on here when they are winning, because there is nothing to discuss?
Okay.
well how about that ponson and rasner in their last starts… 12 ip….2run…. 2 Er…. 2 walks… 6 Ks
Pettitte in his last 12 innings
16 hits 12 runs 10 er 11k 6 bb
Maybe we get lucky now!
“So honestly, did anyone think Sidney would be two-hitting the Angels through six?”
Rebecca, are you being serious with your question? Or are you asking literally if I thought it would be 2 hits as opposed to, say 5.
MR.DP is up!
Let’s think for a second Angel, which is discussing baseball?
Angel- “Oh my god not again he posted another comment not kissing the butts of my favorite team and players!”
Me- “The offense is not getting the job done and has missed opportunities by having bad at bats with runners in scoring position.”
Tough one to figure out…
Oh, good grief!
I am happy Ponson’s pitching a great game.
And I am not happy Ponson’s pitching a great game.
Ponsoschizophrenia?
I’m happy because Ponson’s giving the yanks a chance to win.
I’m not happy because this will encourage the Yanks to have faith in Ponson, and, to me,
that’s dangerous.
Gah. Jeter.
And Jeter pops out on the first pitch. Dumb and pathetic.
No Dp yet! Bobby is good lately!
Pathetic AB by Jeter
At least it wasnt a double play
Ron,
Ponson is basically the #8 pitcher in the rotation. Wang, Hughes and Kennedy are all/out.
For the #8 pitcher in the rotation, he’s done his job.
Is it pretty? No. Is it shaky? Yes.
But, what can we honestly expect from the #8 pitcher in the rotation?
He’s pitched better than Beckett, Pettitte and Dice-K against the Angels this week.
Would I want him to pitch a game with my life in the balance? No. But, for what he is, its hard to be critical in what he has brought to the table tonight.
For the person who asked when will Girardi hit and run with Jeter/Damon, he just did.
You contribute far more to the problems on this blog than anyone you continue to whine about, who unlike you, actually discuss BASEBALL instead of trying to bash everyone who doesn’t act like a cheerleader for not being a “true fan.â€
Angel is a problem on this blog? Really? Really?
We must be in the twilight zone
another wasted out… at least it wasn’t gidp
i just don’t get it…
Offensively is it just me or is Ivan Rodriguez pretty much equivalent to Derek Jeter right now? GIDP’s, low power, decent batting average, speed.
Well, they can’t have combined for 2 walks, because Sidney’s walked four all by himself tonight.
Does someone need to commit ritual sacrifice to get these guys to score a run?
Sidney Ponson just gave you six scoreless innings!
SCORE A RUN!
“Offensively is it just me or is Ivan Rodriguez pretty much equivalent to Derek Jeter right now? GIDP’s, low power, decent batting average, speed.”
Speed?
We gottan get some runs! Good luck Ponsy may be running out!
Rebecca – I’m with you – he’s been giving up 7 hits a start as a Yankee (and a couple of walks per start)
cmon bobby hit one out….
I’m about to go out and buy a live chicken.
Honestly Matt, some of your posts kinda sound like you know very little about baseball 0 outside of the MLB 2k8, that is.
Anyone can state the freaking obvious over and over. Its not hard at all.
What the heck will it take for them to score some runs? Voodoo?
Congrats go out to Karstens, I hope he does great in Pittsburgh and beyond.
Same best wishes go out for Ollie and Danimal.
I had hopes for Tabata to be awesome in a yankee uniform, but with Pittsburgh, now I just wish him nice success, maybe a career like Cliff Floyd.
Not too great because then the lamenting and whining of what we gave up would never cease.
As for Sidney tonight, who knew???
I was prepared to be watch an inning or two and then catch Step brothers, but now we gots ourselves a nailbiter.
Who knows maybe Razz will pull a rabbit out of his hat.
Also like Abreu slaying the bogey wall monster of his nightmares at least for tonight.
…
“Sidney Ponson just gave you six scoreless innings!”
That is what makes this so heartbreaking.
Not only a quality start by Ponson now, but a two-hitter of a red hot offense. He’s making what Pettitte did last night look amateurish. Does anyone think Washburn would have done better than? Can you imagine what the reaction on this blog would be if we -had- gotten Washburn (for, say, Gardner and Aceves), and the Angels just picked up where they left off, shelling him and chasing him off the mound to a chorus of boos?
If Ponson’s been ‘lucky’ then you ride that luck as long as it lasts. When it runs out, then you worry about replacing him with any of the options we have in the minors or on the waiver wire. There was no desperate need to absorb a huge contract and/or give up valued prospects.
Don’t you get it Angel? Are you really that dumb?
There is no point in posting on here when they’re playing well. There is nothing to DISCUSS.
They are playing well. They’re getting the job done, pitching well, hitting well, playing solid defense, we get the freaking point. You don’t have to make 15 posts praising each guy’s “clutch” home run up 10 runs!
Not all of us sit here and act like cheerleaders all night. You come to a blog like this to DISCUSS, like a message board. When you see something that bothers you in a game, you come and DISCUSS IT. You point it out, and try to think of why it’s happening and how it can be fixed.
When they’re winning, we watch the games and don’t waste our times posting here. You post here because you want to discuss things and see if other people notice it as well, and to have debates with fellow fans.
I get the point, I’m not a “rah rah” cheerleader optimist. That doesn’t make me any less of a fan than you, and in fact by criticizing them, it shows that I care and am as much a fan as you are. Just because I CARE doesn’t mean I’m ruining “your” message board.
Sterling went into his homer call – such a tease!
I knew that wasn’t going out, as much as I hoped. Didn’t get good wood.
Damn, one dinger here and this game might be ours.
ok lets try again…
cmon alex lets get a single…
Doggone it! Maybe Arod will make a mistake and get a big hit for a change when we need it! Close play butn safe!
Well maybe not speed, man look at his stats from 1999:
35 HR’s, 113 RBI’s, 25 SB’s, .332 avg, .356 OBP.
Nice thing about these nothing/nothing games is that they generally move right along. Don’t worry, someone will break loose and score – probably The Captain.
Hank Steinbrenner, this team needs you. Where have you disappeared to?
No, they don’t.
An isolated and quiet Hank is a good Hank.
“I guess Pudge didn’t get the memo about how HoFers should function with their new clubs…”
Function? LOL. Catchers do tend to GIDP.
Sit down Scoscia…
“Well maybe not speed, man look at his stats from 1999:
35 HR’s, 113 RBI’s, 25 SB’s, .332 avg, .356 OBP.”
Wasn’t that like, 9 years ago? I mean, we’re talking about a 36-year old catcher. Speed?
I’d walk A-Rod too. Makes sense.
Big G Time!
If only Jason could hit a check swing ground ball!
Nevermind, misread your post.
Just shows that Pudge was a hell of a player, PEDs or not.
Intentional walk to get to Giambi. Get mad, big guy!
Matt: You’ve never been on here when they’re doing well. There is plenty to discuss.
Guiseppe: Night after Hank rags on the offense they score 18 runs.
“Don’t you get it Angel? Are you really that dumb?
There is no point in posting on here when they’re playing well. There is nothing to DISCUSS.
They are playing well. They’re getting the job done, pitching well, hitting well, playing solid defense, we get the freaking point. You don’t have to make 15 posts praising each guy’s “clutch†home run up 10 runs!”
How would you know? In all the time I’ve been posting on here, we’ve had plenty of great discussions when they’re winning games.
The Yankees really need to take advantage of this good start by Ponson.
That first pitch to giambi, if that’s to don mattingly.It’s 3-0
Yes. Giambi’s killing us with RISP. Only hitting .360 since he actually started hitting.
If Ponson’s been ‘lucky’ then you ride that luck as long as it lasts. When it runs out, then you worry about replacing him with any of the options we have in the minors or on the waiver wire. There was no desperate need to absorb a huge contract and/or give up valued prospects.
Now this is a perspective I can live with and respect – even if I consider it more than luck.
Why look a gift horse in the mouth!
Well here we go. This is what Giambi is there for, to protect A-Rod. They pitched around A-Rod to get to him, now he needs to make them pay.
Please Big G-if you do something good here, I’ll run out and get you a new thong
I only work when you dye me “Real Black”
This is really just so sad.
“Guiseppe: Night after Hank rags on the offense they score 18 runs.”
They also got to face Warren Madrigal in his MLB debut.
What is the point of arguing with people on a message board…who gives a crap what people say on a message board..Just ignore the comments and say whatever you want to say and if its a stupid comment deal with the blazing you get or dont make stupid comments..
When was the last time Jason Giambi got a hit? Better yet, when was the last time he didn’t strike out?
No check swing luck! Warm up Edwar!
Get Giambi out of the five spot.
Seriously.
PONSON GAVE YOU A GEM! YOU MAY NEVER GET A PONSON START lIKE THIS EVER AGAIN AND YOU CAN’T SCORE ONE RUN?!
Someone, please go out and buy that live chicken.
Or something.
Verlander has been so bad this year that I totally forgot that he pitched a no hitter last year.
shave the stache..
“That first pitch to giambi, if that’s to don mattingly.It’s 3-0″
I don’t know – isn’t he like 50?
Do you people seriously think this blog is a place where people come to praise everyone for a job well done?
90% of the people are here to vent about the things that bother them in a game. They want to see that other people are mad too that the team is not playing well, that people care.
You people are ridiculous. You think that just because everyone doesn’t agree with you that they’re not “real fans” and they are “poisoning” your blog. Get a grip.
you figure the yankees batters would ge tlucky once in a while..
I mean there BA with RISP is pathetic..
I go to Edwar right now, I know it will not happen but I get ponson out now..
“When was the last time Jason Giambi got a hit? Better yet, when was the last time he didn’t strike out?”
How’d you forget his check swing RBI single?
egads – this is a wierd game
This is not a good idea, Girardi.
I love Sidney but I definitely would have brought someone else in. Why ruin a good thing.
ponson back for the 7th…. im crossing my fingers…CMON YANKEES
Wow. How ’bout that defense?
my mlb.tv just went out…but that’s okay…i’ve got the radio feed, at least.
This offense is pathetic, though. Ponson should be giving up 3 or 4 runs. And he didn’t, which is really great, but how the hell can they not score the poor dude any runs?
So where’s the genius from before who insisted Giambi has nothing to do with A-Rod’s numbers with RISP? This ALWAYS happens. A-Rod gets walked because they know they can get Giambi. the A-Rod haters love to cite his failure with RISP but how about we cite all the times the bat is taken out of his hands too?
I feel kind of wrong for wishing Nady could have PH for Giambi there, but I saw that strikeout coming a mile away. So did Santana and his pitching coach, that’s why Arod walked.
Is anyone throwing in the pen?
wow, gold gloves are coming out tonight.
For those who want to get rid of Melky…
No!
this has Darrell Rasner all over it… gulp…
No arguing they pitched around Rodriguez there. Giambi is now 0-3 with RISP this game and that sure as hell ain’t going to get it done. Twice as frustrating because Ponson has been good tonight. You can’t count on this from him. They need to take advantage of it when they get it.
Giambi really sucks. Please Please why did people vote this chump as an All Star???????
“How’d you forget his check swing RBI single?”
Oh sorry, when was the last time the guy made solid contact?
Trisha, I am going down to Florida tomorrow AM until Monday night to visit my mom. If I give you my email address can I use your MLB account to watch the Yankee games?
boy, Baseball Tonight is full of Yankee web gems.
well who said there wasnt a little bit of luck in baseball?
At this point, we might be better of putting the Big Sexy in there instead of the Big G.
There might be a reason Santana is 11-5 and has a 3.57.
The offense being stifled is more understandable tonight than it was last night.
MELKY!!!!
Great defense behind Sir Sid from a very likely source!
jeezus that was close
Matt: We don’t have problems with criticizing the team; we have issues when the *only* thing you do is criticize the team.
Tell you what, make one post talking about the things the Yankees have done right, and I’ll get off your back forever.
See Rebecca, you’re criticizing him too. Criticizing poor performance is not a sin. Giambi has been awful in the 5 hole and has given teams no incentive to not just walk A-Rod every time a base is open. Something should be done about it, such as reshuffling the lineup to get Cano or Nady up higher.
And look, what a great catch by Melky and a great job by Ponson holding the Angels offense to zero while our offense flounders. See, I’m not just bashing everything in sight.
That’s all you could ask for from a guy like Ponson- to keep your team in the game, and boy has he done that. Even if he gave up 2 or 3 runs today he pitched a great game, beyond what anyone could have hoped.
Seriously, there is this farm in South Jersey that I could get the chicken from. They even have goats there too.
We need to break this offensive offense curse!
One thing I would like to see Girardi do is get Giambi out of the #5 spot in the order. Its August 1 and he’s still under .200 w/RISP. He can’t drive in runs.
Put Cano or Nady (when he gets back) in that spot.
All teams are going to do now is walk or pitch around Arod to get to Giambi. He offers Arod no protection in the lineup.
At some point, that move has to be made or Arod isn’t going to see a lot of pitches to hit w/RISP the rest of the way.
We need to get Giambi out of the five spot soooooo much. I say try nady he has hit very well of late.
I remember so many people saying I’m voting over and over for Giambi. WHY????????????????????????????????????????
It doesn’t ALWAYS happen. That’s a complete exaggeration. We could go situation by situation and I could show you how wrong you are.
My daughter just asked me, and I don’t know, so I’ll put it out here – why do they call Ivan Rodriguez “Pudge?”
Bayron-
Los milagros se acaban, o persisten?
His luck continues! Unos nacen estrellados otros con una estrella al lado!
They have to get some runs for Sidney. He has been great tonight through 7.
Wow. Forgot Gehrig, Sidney’s the Luckiest Man in the World.
I think Ponson is at 94 pitches.
I am in AWE of our pitching and defense.
PLEASE offense – show up.
c’mon Ponson – one more out…
What happened to I-Can’t-Believe-It’s-Not-Sheppard?
Wow who is this PA guy? I mean, he has a great voice for announcing on the PA system, but it seems so weird hearing him there.
Ha haha, way to go BX!
He was much larger when he was thought to be on Steroids.
need a hero
I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the end of the night
He’s gotta be strong
And he’s gotta be fast
And he’s gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero
I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the morning light
He’s gotta be sure
And it’s gotta be soon
And he’s gotta be larger than life!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any takers????
Pomson did a fabulous job. Not lucky, good.
Accept that and be grateful.
Doreen, when he was on roids, he was definitely short and pudgy. When the drug testing went into effect, he came back to spring training slimmed down and told people he stopped going to Burger King!
True story.
christ – did ponson eat cy young for dinner?
Matt: There you go.
Pen for the 7th please girardi.. Ponson is at 96 pitch’s I think.
edwar or Veras and then Mo..
What is Giambi’s avg with RISP anyone have it???????
Hero? Of course I ROD!
Angel,
Agreed. Santana is tough. He’s also a lesson as to why you don’t give up on a guy like Hughes.
Santana went from playoff hero in 2005 to a guy who was in AAA for a spell last year. He was 1-10 on the road last year and pitched horribly all season.
The Angels turned down several trades for him and stuck with him. Now, look what they have. An under 28 year old stud.
That’s why you have to ride it out with young arms with great stuff. If they blossom, you have a gem. It just takes longer for some than others.
Isn’t it after Carlton “Pudge” Fisk?
i meant 8th for the pen
“Pomson did a fabulous job. Not lucky, good.
Accept that and be grateful.”
Vrse, I bow to you and I thank you. It’s so much easier for people here to play the fool rather than be stand up with their comments sometimes.
Well done Sir Sidney. Well done. Just a fantastic job tonight. He shut a lot of us up…for one night.
Get a freakin run now
You can’t ask for much more out of Ponson. He shut down one of the best offenses that’s been on fire in the entire league.
However, you can ask for a lot more from this offense. They’ve missed many chances to give him a lead and a well deserved win. It’s not unreasonable to be upset with their performance at the plate this year.
The pitching has been outstanding, and overachieved a bit, but we were expecting them to pound out 5 or 6 runs every night to make up for so so pitching here or there, and the fact that they haven’t has been the main reason we’ve been where we’ve been at times this year.
I don’t mean to be overly negative. Last night, I actually counted on one of Sidney or Rasner to win a game for us.
But Jason Stark needs to check this out:
7 IP, 2 H, 0 ER
96 pitches – 48 strikes, 48 balls
4 walks/1 strikeout
5/15 GB/FB ratio
Has this happened before? That a pitcher has been so terrible and yet amazingly good?
Santana at 90 pitches. This will probably be his last inning.
Doreen
He was short and stocky when he was younger. Still short now not so stocky.
who mopped up after Britton last night?
Wow..we can’t catch a break.
Wow..we can’t catch a break.
…He was safe.
Hey, this is weird. According to Gameday, Ponson has got 48 strikes, and 48 balls. Not a great ratio, but hey, whatever works, right?
Wow.
wow no blame Pudge comments
For some reason, people think that Robbie is fast. Um, he’s not.
wow he was safe…
Cano can’t be THAT slow.
that play just shows what a dick Cano is..
he did not run hard, what a disgrace. he was safe but why the hell not run hard?????
TERRIBLE..
JAson is at 208 with RISP.
He was out at first base, but the play itself was incredible to get him out and robbed him of a sure hit.
why does betimet still play?
CANO IS NOT FASTbut he did not run hard until the end..
fine the jackass
I don’t know that Robby did not run hard, but I do know that he is not fast. Melky, on the other hand, is fast.
This lineup is just a mess. The bottom is a wasteland. What pitcher would be afraid to face this lineup?
How close/likely is Matsui coming back to play?
How much does Joe West hate Cano? Don’t forget that call during the 2005 ALDS? WHo made it? Joe West.
Stuart, including tonight’s 0-3, Giambi is 20 for 99 with RISP this season.
at least molina hits a double every so often….cmon pudge get it together
I’d say this offense might make me cry, but then you’d all probably laugh at me.
It’s still, however, giving me a stomach ache.
again blind.. cano did not run hard the whole way. Where is the outrage????
He is a moron…….
Um, who thinks that Cano is fast?
Griffey is already paying dividends. He singled in the lone WS run.
Guiseppe: Night after Hank rags on the offense they score 18 runs.
Pure coincidence.
If you think these guys are motivated by the moronic rants of Hank Steinbrenner – you’re nuts.
The players roll their eyes and chuckle when he speaks just like us fans do.
“who mopped up after Britton last night?”
No one. He cleaned the Stadium up, spic and span.
Marte – really? I am not comfortable with this
Now it’s a battle of bullpens and timely hitting. The Angels have been dangerous in late innings this season. Let’s see how our revamped bullpen looks.
Even Ken Singleton is calling the Yanks out on their failure to drive in runs and wasting a great effort by Ponson.
Giambi’s batting .234 for the month of July.
As for all of us who voted (and voted and voted) for him to get to the ASG, his BAs for May and June were over .300. He’s crashed and burned in July.
This lineup is pathetic. I know most wont agree but Manny Ramirez would look awfully good batting 3rd for the yankees next year. Say what you want about his attitude but the guy could flat out hit and the Yankees need a hitter like him. Im tired of watching these guys not hit every night.
Shame Ponson isn’t going to get a win.
lol – Thanks KS!
Laura, I think Cano is pretty fast. He is an above average runner. Not Damon or Abreu, but pretty good speed.
“Sidney Ponson is throwing a gem and I’ve, yet again, been proven an idiot. But I stil think the Yankees need to get another starter.”
Pete, I think you’ve just proven yourself a hero, not an idiot. An idiot is someone who will continue to try to find any excuse to say Ponson doesn’t know how to pitch and tonight he was just lucky.
Ponson was really good tonight. I am sure he earned another start next week against Texas.
Filthy pitch there.
I’m listening to the LAA transmission and they are as surprised as we are that Ponson threw 7 zeros!
I bet a lot of people when the lineup was posted never though the words Seven Shutout Innings and Ponson would be uttered in the same sentence tonight.
Ponson’s performance tonight was what we needed from Pettite last night.
Damn. Marte looks nasty.
Anybody else shocked that there is only one player in the Angel’s lineup over .300?
Especially after last night
Runs would be really nice. It would be really nice not to waste an unexpected gem from Ponson and at least get a team win, if not a win for him.
Yankees need to sign Manny next year. Forget about his attitude, he could flat out hit. This lineup is pathetic.
Sit down, Figgy.
Figgins looks like a young Willie
“I’d say this offense might make me cry, but then you’d all probably laugh at me.”
As someone who tears up easily I would never laugh at anyone who said they were close to tears.
About Sidney not getting the win. As nice as it would have been, I think it is much more important that he kept the Yankees in the game.
They will win tonight. It might take 21 innings, but they will win.
Marte means Tuesday, but he’s doing a great job for a Friday!
This is your next 8th inning guy. Welcome Demarso.
Marte with a very impressive 8th inning. I wish the Yanks would score just 1 run this inning.
Angel, actually Ponson has historically done well against the Angels.
Wow, they are sending Santana out there again?
Daaamn. That was filthy. Marte is the man.
Dà maso Marte: I am *so* not Eric Gagnè
That seemed way to easy. I’ll take it
We need to hurry up and get a lead for Great Mo to make an appearance – if it is a tie, we only get Very Very Good Mo.
Nice Job Marte!
Figgins looks like a young Willie
I just noticed that
Welcome to NY, Tuesday!
I wont even be picky. A run (singular) would be acceptable.
MO for the ninth? im scared
Or Mars, Marte also means Mars! Maybe he’s an alien!
Now would be a good time for a Melky Cabrera HR just inside the foul pole in right field.
thank god for cashman
even that game vs TB I kept thinking it wasn’t Marte it was Moeller’s pitch selection
“Dà maso Marte: I am *so* not Eric Gagnè”
I have to say we need to give credit to Pudge for calling a great game as much as to Ponson for pitching a great game.
“Marte means Tuesday, but he’s doing a great job for a Friday!”
Actually Marte doesn’t mean tuesday, Martes means tuesday.
Come on, Melky. Look at a few pitches!
It’s because Ivan Rodriguez was a fat little kid and as a catcher, he got the name from his neighborhood friends growing up, and, I’d guess that came from Fisk’s nickname.
BAL *
way to swing at the first pitch again Melky…
grrr @ 1 pitch outs
Definitely no reason not to give Ponson another start.
They don’t want to use Kennedy unless they are stuck. They aren’t convinced he’s the answer to anything.
He has pitched better in AAA but not good enough to make them think he’s over his issues. There is also that minor attitude issue they had with him that some members of the Yankee inner circle are stick hot about.
For what Ponson was signed to do, keep the team in games and give them a chance to win, he’s done his job in all but one start. Are they pretty? Nope. But, for whatever reason, its been effective.
You ride it out until it ends or you find a better alternative.
At this point in his career, I don’t think they believe Ian Kennedy is an upgrade right now.
All we need is a blast…
TRASH the STASH……………my new Jason cheer!
“Angel, actually Ponson has historically done well against the Angels.”
Yes, but the people who rush to be the first to complain about the lineup daily – never notice things like that before they proclaim the game lost.
The word Ponson is enough to make them lose it, lol.
Someone explain that patience thing to Melky.
Way to work him over Melky!
(sassing frasssing @$%^@$%^)
that was damon’s pitch…
They’re going to make Mo pitch in an 0-0 tie, aren’t they?
I can’t believe that we haven’t managed to scratch out one run.
Is Rivera warming up to come into a tie game?
DAMMIT
I’m calling Jeter over the right field wall.
Is Santana really pitching that great? I think we’re just beating ourselves, right?
Brandon – I heard somewhere that Mo didn’t think Moeller called a good game. So you may have something there about Marte’s rough outing vs Bal.
Just think, one day we could be getting outings like this from Joba and Hughes.
“Seriously though, we have a chance tonight…I think we will all be surprised with Ponson tonight.”
That was cut and pasted from my 5:06PM post earlier tonight.
I don’t think anybody believed me then. What I didn’t realize was the offense never left the clubhouse this evening.
Let’s go Yanks, this game can be ours. Do not waste this more than quality start from Ponson.
Turn around bright eyes
Well, a scoreless game – is it technically a tie score if there’s NO score???????
jeter needs to steal here
Thank God for Jeter.
ok…let’s have Bobby hit a 2 run HR now…
I was wrong.
I do not want Mo coming into this game if its tied.
“Yes, but the people who rush to be the first to complain about the lineup daily – never notice things like that before they proclaim the game lost.
The word Ponson is enough to make them lose it, lol.”
Doesn’t it drive you crazy though! I often wonder if people who love to complain would explode if they weren’t allowed to bitch!
Bobby Alex isn’t aggressive w/ inside fastballs so we need you to put up a run right here.
OAK tied it up in BOS.
Two Words Bobby – CONTRACT YEAR!
Oakland ties it up
1. Is it true that Jason Bay is 3 for 3 with 2 Homers and 1 triple and 2 steals?
2. Mo will lose this game. Period. Please don’t put him in. He’s worse than Farnsworth in a tied game.
CONO !
JR Yankees – I believed you.
Is it true that Jason Bay is 3 for 3 with 2 Homers and 1 triple and 2 steals?
hell no….
Whatever the outcome, Sir Sid has more than done the job tonight. And the offense continues to come up short . . .
Okajima gives up the jack in the 8th…1-1
total eclipse of the heart
I got a feeling Bet or Robi wins this game
With an offense like that, they don’t deserve to be in the playoffs.
YAY! Oakland just tied the score. 1-1.
Mo in a tie game…everybody pray to the baseball gods
Don’t ya hate all that point to the sky and thank god for a strikeout stuff
Thanks trisha.
Now I feel bad for never supporting your Farnsworth club.
Shame on me.
Its kinda funny and become a running joke for the most part.
And it provides for some moments like JR, who go against the grain and are rewarded for it.
Let’s be fair: Santana is not some scrub. He’s a legtimately great young pitcher. But the offense has still done nothing with the opportunities they’ve had.
I still say they are winning. They might score in the 22nd on catcher’s interference and three balks. But they are winning.
oh please Mo – pitch like you’ve got the lead
Trivia question:
When the Angels wanted to obtain A-Rod after the 2006 season, which players were they offering the Yankees? Wasn’t Santana one of them? Figgins?
GI Joe if RISP happens for the Angels switch Damon for Nady
I would have pitched Marte another inning.
I hope Mo thinks that this is a save situation
Mo, man, strikes.
Well, if Mo tries to throw a curveball, we’ll know it’s Pudge’s fault.
Mo-pretend we have the lead.
please Mo break that non save situation mortality curse….please please, we don’t need the Angels in your head.
Strikes?
someone quick tell Mo it’s 2-1
Oh No Mo
“Trivia question:
When the Angels wanted to obtain A-Rod after the 2006 season, which players were they offering the Yankees? Wasn’t Santana one of them? Figgins?”
I’m not sure a real offer was really created.
Mo, seriously, WTF?
oh man
…That’s his fifth walk all season.
New rule: You can’t use shiny Mo in non save situations.
Here we go!
Is anyone else getting a funny feeling in their stomach?
great now here comes the running game
“Thanks trisha.
Now I feel bad for never supporting your Farnsworth club.
Shame on me.”
That’s very sweet. Better late than never!
With Willets on first, I’d feel a lot better with Molina behind the plate.
Pete,
I think offense is more dire with this team than a starter.
If the offense was good, not great, just good, you could get by with what they have in the organization right now and work your way through games.
Unfortunately, this team simply can’t hit with runners on base. So many black holes in the lineup in those situations, its done more damage to them than anything else (besides the injuries of course) this season.
They tried to address it with Nady. Unfortunately, he’s not in the lineup tonight.
Somehow, whether its a waiver deal, moving guys around in the order, or somebody getting hot, they have to find a way to hit the ball.
When you look at the entire season, its really amazing to see how long the droughts have been offensively with this group this season.
Who would have thought the strength of the team this season would be the bullpen and the weakness the offense? Certainly, not me.
Could someone please inform the home plate umpire that it is MARIANO F. RIVERA pitching for the Yanks?
He seems to have confused him with someone who throws balls.
i sense that joe will get grilled for this if we lose
I hate baseball.
That is all.
just wow..
UNFRIGGEN BELIEVABLE…..mariano is awful in these situations..
Oh for the F***n love of god !
Oh crap crap crap
are you kidding me – wtf with the non-save situations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is with Mo in non-save situations?
Let’s go, Mariano.
I can’t blame Mo, though. He’s a closer. His job is to come in to save situations. And, like it or not, this wasn’t part of his job description.
wow Mo, this is absurd
I can’t even watch
Please get out of this Mo.
**curled up in a ball**
why?
why?
make it stop
I…I…I
feel cold?
mother?
lets go strike three here mo
None of htis is Mo’s fault. He got squeezed on the walk and Guerrerro hit a bloop. The real problem is the fact that he’s not getting in on these guys’ hands and keeping them from sticking the bat out and poking it.
Well we can all go to bed, Mo in a non-save situation means Yankees lose! WTF!
MARIANO why the hell do you suck during none save situations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
^%$&!!!
im sorry but there goes the game. krod coming in and thats all she wrote
Don’t blame Mo.
WE DID NOT SCORE A SINGLE RUN.
Mo gave up a squeeze walk, a bloop, and an easy dp ball if the infield is back. Not his fault one bit.
good game. Well let’s hope minnesota loses and oakland wins
Great, game over.
Well, maybe not with that winning thing…
Can we petition to have the Angels traded to Siberia? PLEASE?
This game is on the offense, and Mo’s going to get saddled with the loss.
Is there any way we can give the loss to the offense?
Because there is no !@$@#$ way we should lose tonight.
That’s on Girardi. He knows that Mo sucks in tie games.
All of the great pitching down the drain. This would be such a tough game to loose
This is getting annoying, I never thought Mo would get on my nerves…its happening.
We just can’t beat this team
i think joe is a great manager but he has has many many questionable descisons this year.
i hate to say it…but the game is over.
unfreaking believable…
well well well…mariano strikes again… vaunted career or not, this makes me mad…
wow, I have just about had it with the offensive ineptitude of the 2008 Yankees…world’s worst offense
tampa is putting away the division. We have to focus on the wild card. That’s it.
That’s what happens when you don’t score. You give up one run and you still manage to lose…with the $200million payroll….
Can’t they just trick MO and say they have the lead.MO is having a Fransworth moment.
Ummm why didn’t Joe leave Marte in? …W.T.F.
Well, ballgame. Done in again by the dead bat offense and Mo scuffling in a tie game.
Cashman’s #1 job is going to be to find 7 bats in the off-season. You can talk about pitching all you want.
If you can’t hit, especially with RISP, you can’t win.
This team simply can’t hit in clutch situations. Seven bats will be a must next off-season. They can’t bring back this same feeble group of hitters for another run at futility.
how is this on Joe – Mo needs to be Mo regardless of the freaking situation…
How crazy is it that Ponson pitched 7 shutout innings and Mo couldn’t pitch one. Another tough loss, with all the blame going to the offense.
you are questioning bringing mariano in??
If you are you are a total moron….
when something does not work why do we keep putting it in there
That’s on Girardi. He knows that Mo sucks in tie games.
What’s he suppose to do, Mo’s the best arm in that pen, this is on Mo not GI Joe
Well he does need to get outs regardless. That is his job.
How is this Girardi’s fault? A 0 – 0 game in the top of the ninth is basically a save situation – this is on Mo
Say goodbye to this season. Another disgraceful performance.
who would have thought that ponson would pitch 7 shut out innings…and Mo would blow it??????????/
Has Girardi not watched the games this season when Mo was brought into this exact situation.
That said, the offense is an embarassement!
WOw just great
and the mo curse continues.
“i think joe is a great manager but he has has many many questionable descisons this year.”
Bringing in the best reliever in baseball history to pitch the 9th inning in tie games is not one of them.
i think we are getting a good look at the 2008 World Series champs…Yanks can’t compete against this team. They have squandered too many quality outings by our less than quality pitchers.
as phenomenal as Rivera is…not sure what’s up with him
i sense an overhaul of the team come winter if we do not make the playoffs
How many chances do you think Ponson will give us a 2 hit shutout? None. Way to go Mo.
this is sick. what a joke. baseball sucks
papelbum is in
You know, I worship Mo as much as anyone, but I have no idea how you guys can say that this isn’t on him. He’s the one throwing the ball! It’s not like errors are being made behind him. He gave up the hits. That has nothing to do with the Yankee offense.
Unless the offense has a huge rally in them, which doesn’t seem likely the way they have sleep walked through tonight, they are in BIG trouble. When Ponson pitches 7 shutout innings, you damn well better win that game. You can’t waste games like this in a pennant race. The Rays are winning, the Sox probably will win even though Oakland just tied it since the A’s offense is weak, and we’re THROWING AWAY games.
Tampa Bay is winning…we need to score!!!
Arod’s pimp is pitching the 9th
“im sorry but there goes the game. krod coming in and thats all she wrote”
K-Rod is not perfect by any stretch – cue Yogi Berra.
This isn’t Girardi’s fault. It’s on the offense and Mo.
Girardi has to use Rivera in that situation. Geez, he’s at home and he is the closer.
If they lose a 1-0 game at home, that’s on the offense, not on the pitching.
You put your closer in this game 100 times out of 100. I don’t care what Mo’s numbers are. Its Mariano Rivera. You use him and not think twice about it.
anyone think the Yanks should make a run at Orlando Hudson this offseason? Robbie Cano’s suckiness is just too frustrating to watch.
when you cannot score you cannot win.. when you cannot get a big hit you cannot win.
NO CLUTCH HITS ALL GAME ..ZIPPO..NADA.. ZERO…
CANO WITH the nice hustle play and mo with the leadoff walk, the kiss of DEATH….
This should be humorous..
Get to see KROD do his celebration gyration on the mound.. But after seeing Beckett do it a few years ago and others it is becoming commonplace..
YECH
“i think joe is a great manager but he has has many many questionable descisons this year.”
No I think he is an average manager, bullpen withstanding .And I would have to say he has made way too many questionable decisions this year.
i understand how great he has been. but when it has not worked all year long why keep doing it. keep him fresh for the 10th if we had kept it scoreless.
first man in vs papsmear
errr 1 on and nobody out vs papsmear
K-Rod is not perfect by any stretch
He sure is perfect vs us in NY
Can this team come back in the 9th? Oy
Where’s my vodka bottle..
I understand what month has done in his career, what he means to the yankees, and how great of a year he’s having – but this is getting rediculous. At some point he has to start doing a better job of holding teams when it’s not a save situation.
time to see if this offense can respond now. No choice.
Mo has a 1.33 ERA heading into tonight’s game, and it’s Mariano Rivera…it’s the right call all the time.
It was absolutely the right decison to bring Mo in. His job is to get outs – unfortunately he got them after a run scored.
“Well, ballgame. Done in again by the dead bat offense and Mo scuffling in a tie game.
Cashman’s #1 job is going to be to find 7 bats in the off-season. You can talk about pitching all you want.
If you can’t hit, especially with RISP, you can’t win.
This team simply can’t hit in clutch situations. Seven bats will be a must next off-season. They can’t bring back this same feeble group of hitters for another run at futility.”
Well, they aren’t getting rid of Cano, and Jeter isn’t going anywhere. Neither is Posada.
Melky’s job isn’t safe. Abreu and Giambi are free agents. Damon might have trade value if you wanted to deal him. Matsui is coming back, and has no trade value.
Cashman can’t make the entire roster disappear; it doesn’t work that way.
it is NOT a save situation….not basically….it is NOT….MO has proven to be not that good in NON-SAVE situations and once again, he shows us that he needs to ONLY BE USED in SAVE SITUATIONS….Bring in another pitcher to start the inning….IF the dude gets in trouble, then BRING IN MO….MORONS !!!
All is not lost yet. But we can also hope for a Sux loss and a Minny loss if there is a problem in the Bronx.
SJ says it perfectly.
we’re already playing this inning w/ 2 outs..Frankie’s fastball is a pain for Alex and Giambi
This game is on the offense-they had their chances
come a-rod earn your $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
Is there a reason why K-Rod has so many save opportunties at this point in the season? Do the Angels just play more games that are closer games thus resulting in more save situations?
So let’s see… this guy only throws breaking balls in pressure spots. So let’s go up there guessing fastball and cheating. Yeah, that’ll work!
he looks overmatched
I thought Edwar was better than K-Rod according to certain experts
The unwritten rule in baseball is that you bring your closer in for the 9th inning in a tie game when you are at home.
“anyone think the Yanks should make a run at Orlando Hudson this offseason? Robbie Cano’s suckiness is just too frustrating to watch.”
He. Signed. A. Contract. Extension.
Bitch and moan about the intelligence of that decision, but he’s going nowhere.
could we pinch hit for giambi?
does krod even throw picthes that are in the middle of the plate. everytime i see him he throws everything out of the strike zone. perhaps batters would fare better if they took pitches
Laura,
Its Mariano Rivera. The best closer on the planet. You are at home. You use him.
You don’t burn out Marte for another inning or go to somebody else in the ‘pen.
Coming into the 9th inning, they have scored exactly ZERO runs. That’s on the offense. Not the pitching staff.
If he went to Veras, or kept Marte in for another inning, and the Angels scored a run, folks would yell, “How do you not use Mariano”.
Girardi was correct in using Mo. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have an offense and its pretty tough to win when you don’t score.
case in point 5 pitches to arod zero real strikes, and then a bs strike call
“Is there a reason why K-Rod has so many save opportunties at this point in the season? Do the Angels just play more games that are closer games thus resulting in more save situations?”
Yes.
Friggin’ changeup?
nice job alex
Funny, that changeup has been called a ball all night long for our pitchers!
a change up on 3-2 damn……….k rod’s got some balls
“Do the Angels just play more games that are closer games thus resulting in more save situations?”
Absolutely. They win a lot of one run games.
Well that pretty much confirms that the Yankees will not make the playoffs.
Ponson pitches brillently.
Offense is its usual sucky self
and Mo can’t hold the lead.
There is no way this team wins more than 85 games or makes the playoffs.
“Mo has a 1.33 ERA heading into tonight’s game, and it’s Mariano Rivera…it’s the right call all the time.”
Yes but everybody knew that there was a decent chance that Mo was going to lose this game. Why?
I don’t know that there’s anyone on the team that looks worse/more uncomfortable at the plate right now than Giambi.
yanks need to re-learn the fundementals of baseball. homeruns dont always win games.
the stache stinks.
have fun being a free agent jason.
Well last out.. backs against the wall…
It’s Pudge’s fault
What a surprise, A-Rod out again and Giambi lazy fly.
Losing games like this sucks, these are the ones that comeback to bite you.
Cano goes yard here!
(what’s the worst that can happen?)
Games like tonight are the games you look back on at the end of the season and say:
“If we just won a few of those, we would have been in october.”
On a night where Boston and going to win and Tampa as well, where your worst pitcher gives you 7 shutout innings, and you can’t even scratch out one, this is a CRUSHING loss.
They could get swept if they lose tonight. It could be really ugly, and a 1-6 homestand certainly pretty much knocks them to the verge of being out of playoff contention.
just disgusting…
man every yank going up there has homerun on their mind.
this is possibly 2 losses this week to pin on Rivera (Tuesdays 7-6 game and tonight)
And I’m stuck finishing the game via John Sterling…which I don’t mind. but…i missed the first 2 outs of the inning
so it’s all on Cano.
well, he better remember what his daddy told him
And for you ARod lovers out there. He is just terrible right now.
Pretty much 1-9 sucks right now.
Wow, 4 game sweep by the Angles, guess I shouldn’t be surprised.
I am just pissed off right now. This team has no character whatsoever. They cannot fight off adversity to save their arses.
Cano strikes out fishing for a slider. Game over.
R C took a pitch
GM posts $15.5 billion 2Q loss, third-worst in its 100-year history; Net profit = $227 during Quarter
LOL
“Its Mariano Rivera. The best closer on the planet. You are at home. You use him.”
Not when he has proven several times this year that he struggles in tie games.
whiff, we are 59-50 with 53 games left. if we went 26-27 we would finish with 85 wins. That means we would underperform our winning % and run differential projections for what has historically been a second half team that has improved itself through trades recently. does that seem like a logical projection to you?
This game was just sad
K-Rod is an idiot. He’s acting like they just won the World Series.
I think it’s very possible that they don’t make the playoffs. When you have bucketloads of major injuries, guys who were being counted on utterly sucking, and two good teams in your division, that kind of thing happens.
I also think it’s possible they will make the playoffs. Hell, they could win the World Series.
The thing about baseball is that nothing is certain and nothing impossible.
This is just ugly. In a very different way than last night.
They’ve got to avoid the sweep.
This hurts more than last night.
Now I’ll pray for a Sux loss and a Minny loss.
Ron,
when did the O-dawg sign a contract extension?
Will the real Yankees team please stand up? 8-0 to 1-5
I would rather lose 12-0 than these games.
the yanks need to sweep texas next week. the way this year is going its we either sweep a team or lose 2 out of 3, no middle ground
fruitbat strikes again!!!
This team is so soft. What a disgrace. Right now I am of a mind to just say f them. I’m so pissed right now and they always do this crap. total heartbreaker. AGAIN.
And Cano with the pop up to close this out. Great effort from our offense, yet again. They don’t deserve to be in the playoffs.
Un-freaking-believable
What a team….
Toronto is winning, Tampa is winning… welcome to 4th place very soon.
The Yankees should be very proud. The trades have paid off enormously.
“The unwritten rule in baseball is that you bring your closer in for the 9th inning in a tie game when you are at home.”
Past performance is generally best predictor of future behavior.
also, it’s tough to give up a 4 game sweep in 2 games
Losing tonight is a disgrace. An embarrassment. There are no words in the english language that describe how angry I am right now, or how angry any real fan is tonight.
We lost a game in which SIDNEY PONSON THREW A SHUTOUT.
Pathetic.
They have nobody to blame but themselves. ZERO RUNS.
1st and 2nd, no outs, first inning, pitcher on the ropes, and no runs. 0-the game with runners in scoring position. The offense is the main culprit and look, unless they hit like a major league club, they are NOT going to make the playoffs.
The season is not over after tonight, but it will almost be soon if they don’t start playing like they care. They are lucky to not already have their season over. If Boston weren’t playing as badly as us our season would already be over and we’d be buried 4 or 5 out right now.
A 1-6 or 2-5 homestand is pretty much asking to be buried. So far they haven’t, but Boston is playing the hapless A’s, so they will be soon if they keep this up.
1-5 last six games. Pathetic. Should have been sellers.
“Ron,
when did the O-dawg sign a contract extension?”
He didn’t. However, Robinson Cano did.
Really bad loss. Wasted a great performance by Ponson. Had to take advantage and win this one.
Lead off walks have been a kiiller since this game was invented…..And it still is….
Your 2008 Yankees- inventing a new way to lose every single 1-run game. The Yankees run differential is only 13 runs worse than the Angels. But they’ve won 10 fewer games.
SJ,
I usually respect what you say, but given Mo’s history of giving up a run in non save situations shouldn’t Girardi try thinking out of the box in a game like this?
It seems to me has options.
AFRAUD! This guy is nothing but a compiler. Compile RBIs and HRs when the team is ahead by 5. What a great player this guy is……NOT.
Not when he has proven several times this year that he struggles in tie games.
That excuse is getting old MO is human but he needed to come up big there. Especially knowing Alex can’t walkoff a game in 2008 and Giambi has no chance vs K-Rod… MO choked this one. And I’m it’s getting freaking tiring w/ Alex in these gamebreaking situations.
HORRIBLE LOSS
Goats all around.
texas tornato are surging and if the yanks dont win say 3 of 4 next week vs texas they will be three teams back in the wild card
I hate the offense this year. Girardi needs to rethink his game plan. this crap doesn’t work.
I beleive Sunday you will see the 1st ever – runs scored game. And the Angels beat the Yankees 0- -1.
nope.
Possibly the worst loss of the season right there…
Cano has stolen money this season.
Wow. Just awful. This team will be swept for sure now.
This just sucks.
It’s ok though.. Just remember..
It’s only August.
the yare just better then the Yanks.. COuld you imagine what sciosca would do to Kendrick if he got thrown out at first because he dogged it???????????
Good AB’s in the 9th from our big 4,5,and 6.. I forgot the change excues was working on MY9… KROD did his gyration on the mound as Cano sulked his lunge AB and Arod watched strike 3 go by.. I do not complain at Giambi because he is hopeless.
9 games above 500 and looking like old men gainst the ANgels… Not only did we lose tonight but because of his start we hve to watch Ponson at least 1 more start.. IF he would have gotten bombed and they lost at least maybe they would have contemplated making a change..
BTW these losses are at home.. 4 of 5 losses at HOME>>>>>>>>>
Thank god no post game but I will give you what they will or would have said.. Man santana was tough, we had good AB’s, and tht is baseball what can you do…That is pretty much the standard excuse.. Man it is amazing many many pitchers have good stuff when they face the Yanks!!!!!!
I dont really mind that he always looks so orcinary in big spots. I dont really mind that he gets shutdown when its a close game, but geez, did you see what he swung at tonight? Doesn`t Arod know the strike zone yet? He swung a so many bad out of the strike zone pitches against Santana, then swung at at least 1 and possibly two pitches that were balls.
The superstar should at least know the strike zone
we face weaver and lackey the last two games, and joba does not pitch.
A Rod dissapoints again. Outscored 1-0 with Mo pitching what can you do. Figured this would be an automatic loss with Ponson pitching but now down 2-0 in the series it looks like the Angels are going to sweep sending us 5 games back at least by the end of the series.
K-Rod is an idiot. He’s acting like they just won the World Series.
He can do whatever he wants, point is he owns us like Vince McMahon owns his wrestlers.
“Possibly the worst loss of the season right there…”
lol that’s been just about every loss this season!!
There is no question in my mind that we’ll make the playoffs, as outrageous as that probably sounds to a lot of you. But we need to work up some energy and get on a real hot streak so that we have momentum going into the playoffs. I think the Rays will eventually burn out and that the Angels won’t stay hot forever.
Still, losses like this really hurt anyway.
Ron,
Don’t be so sure about Cano. As far as value is concerned, he has the most trade value on the team. I’d entertain offers for him and if I can get two productive players in return, I’d make that move and not think twice.
The team is too terrible offensively to stay in this race much longer.
Its amazing to me to watch the futility of this offense every night. Tonight, you could say, done in by Ervin Santana.
But, what about Daniel Cabrera? He’s awful. 7-13 at home against the Orioles, Tigers, Indians, Reds and Royals. all because this offense can’t hit a lick.
Too many former stars with big egos who refuse to make adjustments.
Oh well, at least Ponson pitched well. Hopefully, they score one run tomorrow. You would hate to see them get shutout for the entire weekend.
Ron,
With Robbie’s reasonable contract, he could easily be traded. I realize that would be selling low on him, but if he keeps up this level of play, we don’t really know what we are going to get in 2009 from him. Are the Yanks going to get the 05-07 Cano who raked, or the 08 Cano who couldn’t hit a meatball thrown by my grandmother.
AROD is a guess hitter. The guy has so many 3 pitch strike outs its not even funny.
I smell another lineup shuffle.
whiff, we are 59-50 with 53 games left. if we went 26-27 we would finish with 85 wins. That means we would underperform our winning % and run differential projections for what has historically been a second half team that has improved itself through trades recently. does that seem like a logical projection to you?
It does. And I agree with the projections. But you are discounting the 1 big factor. This team has underperformed all year.
Jeter, Giambi, Arod, Cano, Cabrera, Abreu are all so lost at the plate right now they wouldn’t know a strike if it hit them in the head.
The other factor is that they are the Yankees of 2008. The most consistent thing about them is that they are inconsistent.
They can’t beat Baltimore, Tampa, Toronto. Still have games against Anaheim, Chicago, Detroit…They would actually have to play to the level of all our expectations to make the playoffs. Just not happening with this team. There is no chemistry, no fight, simply a bad baseball team – in terms of fundamentals, hitting, defense, and occasionally managing.
big monent in boston 2nd and third and two down
“lol that’s been just about every loss this season!!”
Uh.. no not really.
Absolutely pathetic. If that idiot Cashman has a brain the first signing in the off season should be Manny Ramirez. Say what you want about his attitude but the guy comes up big when it counts, period.
BOS had the winning run on 3rd, but didn’t score.
SJ,
How do you propose Cashman is going to find 7 hitters over the offseason unless he depletes the farm and DFA guys under contract?
C’mon, you are obviously an intelligent fan – but that’s ridiculous. And you know darn well that’s just not possible.
I’ve said all season that they need to let Abreu and Giambi walk at the end of the year – and Matsui and Damon next year – but they can’t do it all in one swoop.
We’re all frustrated by this team’s lack of offense. But at least be sensible about how they can fix it.
This is the worst loss of the year, and knowing their lack of heart and fight, probably one that they will have a very hard time recovering from.
Then again, they don’t care enough to put together good AB’s in a 0-0 game in which PONSON of all guys is pitching a shutout, so why would they care enough about tonight’s heartbreaker?
When you lose games like tonight, you simply aren’t good enough. Simple as that.
The trades could not fix the main problem of the team- the lack of heart. That can’t be fixed by bringing in an over the hill catcher, a reliever, and Nady.
Worst loss of the season. I would have rather lost 20-0 to a perfect game pitched by a blind man with one arm in a wheelchair.
All this mix and matching, lefty/righty, don’t step on anybody’s egos crap has got to stop. Girardi needs to set the lineup based on what peoples’ abilities are regardless of how many lefties end up batting in a row. It’s August 1st and it is obviously not working.
Enough is enough, rattle some players and try something different. Field the best team every day even if it means they are all lefties facing a lefty pitcher. This is bull.
I’m not sure that mo’s splits in non-save situations this year represent a statistically significant sample. in fact, i’m sure they don’t. over his career though, these splits aren’t as dramatic, so i think the logical conclusion is that it is a random differential.
also, people seem unable to comprehend the fact that teams go through cycles. I think ours are worst than most, and it frustrates me as a fan, but worst case, we will be 2.5 out in the wild card with 53 games left, which is not a bad position, especially when you consider that we have been a second half team and that we have improved our team recently. i understand it’s a frustrating loss, but projecting cyclical trends through the end of season is stupid, we aren’t in bad shape, especially relative to the past few seasons.
SJ44, you do this the overreact.. first of all nothing would be done until the offseason. .2 they are going to have a new 1B, Rf, already next year for sure….
the thing that bothers me are the bad AB’s the Melky 2 and 0 flail. the cano out at first was on a 2 and 0 count.. he dogged it to first in a no score game………..
Can Girardi please treat Mo like the garbage that he is in a non save situation??!! Girardi should of shown that he has some guts and pitched Veras in the 9th inning!! Is there 1 person who really thought that Mo wasnt going to give up a run?? I knew he was…He turns into Farns in those situations. I mean seriosuly he has been absolutey awful in those situations. I dont care how good he has pitched in a save situation in these games that are not he is dreadful and you cant count on him!!
This offense if that is what you want to call it..is a disaster!!! They do not know how to hit decent or good pitching…Santana was decent today nothing special. But they do not know how to hit with RISP and lay off the slider 50 feet off the plate…Tonights game is EXACTLY what you have and will see in the post season. They just can not hit decent pitching..Arod looked awful and swung at sliders in the dirt all night and Giambi has no bat sppeed anymore. The only games this year where they have scored more then 2-3 runs in a game is when the pitcher has nothing…otherwise they tip there cap and look like crap.
Abreu?? Isnt he leading the team in RBI? I`ll take him over AROD right now
Ortiz-Lowell-Bay
BoSox 3-4-5: 0-9, 1 run
If we had 1/2 the “team” of previous years it would be ovah…damn ’08 Yanks.
I don’t think we are going to get swept. We’ll take the next two games. Sure it sounds like pie in the sky. But anything is possible.
Sux in extra innings.
And we have 8 more games agianst this team, and they are defeated before they even start any team the halos are on the field.
The 10 games against the Angels will knock us out of the playoffs if they don’t already do that to themselves by losing to sub .500 teams at home (Baltimore) and throwing away game after game to “experiment.”
Every game they lost in May by playing like total garbage is a game that they MUST WIN now, and this team is not good enough to win that clip.
They’ve THROWN AWAY the last season of Yankee Stadium with the most embarrassing, heartless team since the early 90′s Yankees. It must really tick them off to know they’ll go down as that in the last year of the stadium… oh wait, they don’t even care about anything besides their money!
Isnt Bobby leading the team in RBI?
I`ll take him over #13 right now
When you score 0 runs, I don’t care what Mo did, you don’t win games.
If Mo pitched a shutout 9th, and they still don’t score, they are eventually going to lose the game.
Shutout at home is on the offense. Not on the pitching.
this is not even close to the worst loss of the season.. the orioles 7 to 6 a few night ago was a worse loss by far..
they lost to the orioles in that game..
SJ man with the overreact… there not very good.. the man reason is they cannot get any cutch hits.. they are still 3rd worse in the league in that category.
the Angels have a lower ab, lower , obp, and lower slugging but they find a way..I FORGOT CLUTCH HITTING IS A LUCK, THERE IS NOT A BIG ENOUGH SAMPLE SIZE TO SAY GIAMBI HITTING UNDER 200 IS A ACCURATE MEASURE IT IS JUST ONE OF THOSE YEARS…..
9 above after going 13 above and going for the sweep last sunday against the sux.. but girardi did not go for it because he thought he was playing with the houses $$(should have pulled the lug earlier) and since then a horror show that includes 1 and 4 at home….
The offense looks as lost as Rosie O’Donnel in a healthy food section.
No comment.
No fricken comment.
Girardi better have a long talk with these guys, because this is pathetic.
You’re supposed to be a great offense, score some fricken runs.
That said, the only games we’ve lost are the ones we’ve played (and lost).
So all of you shut up that they were swept at home, if you hadn’t noticed, they still have 2 games left.
I don’t give a crap who they’ve got pitching, we’re supposed to be able to hit them anyway, remember?
trisha- fruitbat sux
sdjohn,
line of the night right there…
People will say ridiculous things like “oh, well it all means nothing come October.”
Well guess what, unless they get their act together:
THERE WILL BE NO OCTOBER FOR THEM.
The Indians were 0-6 against the Yankees and beat them last year in the playoffs,
BUT
They had SABATHIA and CARMONA and HOMEFIELD. We would most likely make it as a wild card, and it’s not just one streak where we go 0 for against a team, the Angels ALWAYS have our number.
But SJ, it’s not about the blame game. You want to win, you make it happen any way you can. Throw the fracking rules out and improvise. That’s a managers job. To think ahead of the game and not go by the damn book!
again enough with the offense being good that is history..LOOK AT THE #’S.
this is not a good offense…….
they are 13th or so in runs scored the only measure that counts……
THIS IS NOT A GOOD OFFENSE….BECAUSE THEY ARE UNCLUTCH OR AS MANY OF THE SABERMORONS say JUST UNLUCKY FOR THE WHOLE YEAR ALMOST THE WHOLE TEAM……
After all 106 games is not a large sample size……..
SJ44, everything you said makes sense. But it seems as though with RISP, the entire lineup is a black hole. Cano, Jeter, Giambi, A-Rod, Damon, Abreu and Melky have all been major contributors to this persistent offensive drought.
It also manifests in the virtual absence of come-from-behind wins this year. The 2005, 2006, and 2007 teams were all flawed, but at least they could overcome deficits to win games. Even the relentless tide of injuries doesn’t account for it either, since they have to put men on base in order to have a RISP opportunity. (Abreu, Arod and Big G, we’re talking to you.)
And given that Wang has missed most of the season and they got little out of Kennedy and Hughes, they’ve gotten way more good starting and relief pitching than anyone could have expected. It’s the hitters who have been failing consistently, not the pitchers. (Scary addendum: Joel Sherman saying in the MY9 postgame wrap-up that they’re closer to fourth place now than third.)
Guiseppe,
How to do it? Simple.
Jeter, Arod, Nady and Posada are back next year. That’s a start. You look to deal Cano. You will get two good players for him. At some point, his act just gets old. His numbers across the board have declined since 2006.
This week, he added lazy defense to his lack of hitting. Three weeks of offense does not a season make. Deal him, get 2 players in return and move on.
He has a friendly contract and somebody will look to resurrect him.
You don’t re-sign Abreu and Giambi. You get rid of Betemit. Those are no brainer moves.
You trade one of Damon or Matsui for another bat.
They can find hitters. They have money and assets to find 7 bats. Even if 2-3 of them are guys that come off the bench and can hit.
What they can’t do is think this is an aberration and next year will be better. It won’t.
When guys are in decline, they decline.
They can find offense and they the parts to do it. It should be their #1 priority in the off-season.
I’d gladly take my chances with Wang, Joba, Pettitte, Moose and whomever they find for the fifth slot before I see this lineup back in play next year. Its just an awful hitting team. At some point, you have to change it. Hopefully, its done in the off-season.
Nady was a start. They just have to keep it going from there.
Well for anyone’s whose interested, Sux game going into the bottom of the 10th. So if Oakland get out of it I would assume that Papelbum is through for the night…
Does anyone think Girardi is overwhelmed and too enamored with Yankee Past to make intelligent decisions?
Crying when we trade Krazy Kyle? (Perhaps the worst set-up man ever employed in Pinstripes?)
Refusing to sit Giambi, playing Betemit or move Jeter & Abreu down?
How about Cano up to 3? (I know he is back in a slump BUT like it or not we have to find out if he’s our future.)
Hell, ’08 SUXS…
I’m listening to Waldman and Sterling (I have no television postgame) and Waldman said that Girardi said he would not use anyone but Mo in that situation.
So there you have it.
trade mo. this is fricking stupid. for the money he gets he must perform better in these situation it is not acceptable. try veras. try marte. try britton. mo just cant get it done in non save situations. very embarrasing. we’d better sign krod in the off season becasue mo is cooked
I kind of wish that Cano for Kemp and Lowe rumor had come to fruition.
Trisha,
I heard that too. That’s the move to make at home. Mo blamed it on the leadoff walk. I agree with Girardi that the Yanks probably lost it in the 1st inning when they did not push a run across with 1st and 2nd and no-one out.
SJ ‘s suggestions are not bad.. Damon or Matsui but more Damon could get something in a trade.. Damon is still a very good player and under contract for only 1 yr at $13 mill the same contract Matsui has..
Yea Cano is a head scratcher… My dad went to the game that Joba pitched and mentioned something about Cano’s defense, I said it is the shirts that make it hard to see, he said he looked lazy who the hell knows.. Usually Cano has great range…
ABreu should not be back under any circumstance, they need grinders….NO MORE PRETTY BOYS…….
Fran, all you can say is that it is beyond frustrating to see the Yankees have a scoring threat like they did and have nothing to show for it. You want to think they’d play small ball, try to bunt someone over, play hit and run, do whatever it takes. But sometimes they look like they are frozen in place. I know Santana is an effective pitcher, but not even a run?
Just very sad and very frustrating.
Mo’s quirky stats notwithstanding, bringing him in is the right move.
But there definitely needs to be some retooling of the offense. There is no time left to worry about egos and history and all of that. I hope that Girardi will try to do something a little different, and all the rest be dam-ed.
Considering all the injuries, and the unmet expectations in the starting pitching, the Yankees are still not out of it. But unless they’re willing to throw caution to the wind and try ANYTHING with the offense, it won’t matter.
Is Jeter in decline or just having an awful season? What about ARod? Last year as clutch as clutch could be and this season, more often than not he’s not helping in games like tonight’s. Cano? Melky? It’s like there’s something in the water over there. And no one really stepping up to “carry” the team.
SJ44, you said earlier in the season that the worse they perform the easier it becomes to make some moves. That is sure true at least from fan standpoint – when the love is gone, you kick ‘em out the door! I think the moving of Kyle Farnsworth has given a clue that the Yankees will move a player they like personally if it has a chance of helping the team overall. After all, players have come and gone since the inception of the franchise, and the franchise goes on.
Here is the deal. We are not nearly as good as our 8 game winning streak and we are not as bad as losing the last 5 out of 6. We are right in the middle. We are an 85 win team and that’s about it. Alot of inuries, a lot of under performing, alot of older players. We need to address our starting pitching, and get out from under those horrid contracts. All will be fine next year.
Wow is Oakland lucky. Bases loaded for the Sux with a 3-2 count and Lowrey hit a fly out.
Trisha – it was sad and frustrating, but we’ll get ‘em tomorrow.
I’m with ya Fran. We’ll take the next two and get ourselves back on track.
2 on zero out in the first abreu swings at a ball at his ankles and a fott inside.. then arod I think K’s, and then giambi weak fly out to 3rd..
again there big stars have not done ther job all yr.. Damon has overachieved or done what is expected that is it offensively…..
out of about 15 possibilities that is it Damon only..
jeter, jorge, arod, abreu, giambi, cano, cabrera, betemit, matsui, gardner, duncan, whomever no one hs done there job except Damon and he missed 16 games or so and there is your story.. they are starting 2 bums(rasner and ponson) and the sad thing is they have actually pitched games they did not win that they should have like tonight……
the pen has performed well and moose and job have exceeded expectations..
IT IS ALL ON THE INFAMOUS OFFENSE. THey have not produced….
Trisha – I’m out for the night. Have a good night. See you tomorrow.
I so hate the Angels
sdjohn is probably right.. older guys and underperformers..
do not make the mistake next year with stupid long term deals for declining players..
no warm spot for guys like abreu, giambi, moose, who should not come back.. Moose has been great the guy is 39, he is a gamble not worth taking..
Pettitte at 36 for 1 yr at a reduced salary is a yes to me…
YOUNGER, FASTER, MORE CONTACT HITTERS
team has now lost 5 of 6 games. noone wants to mention that
If you hate the angels imagine living in LA and having to listen to there telecasts.
Jim I mentioned it and 4 of 5 at home.. they play 10 more road games the rest of the way then home games..
the yanks are now 4 games above 500 against winning teams…….
5 games above against losing teams..
this is the most dissappointing teams in years I guess when you make the playoffs 13 yrs. in a row that does not mean much but the team with small and chacon did not have as much talent as this team…….
This isn’t just a damn coincidence any more. Mo can’t pitch in non-save situations. Why the hell does Joe keep putting him out there when they don’t have a lead? It is ridiculous how many times this has happened this season. It has cost them two out of the last three games!
When is someone, anyone going to be critical of Jeter? He’s really not helping this team at all.
Someday Jeter is going to come thru for this team instead of resting on his laurals
No Livan. His numbers across the board have gotten progressively worse since 2004.
199 H in 139+ innings this year? 5.48? WHIP over 1.6? No.
“When is someone, anyone going to be critical of Jeter? He’s really not helping this team at all.”
There is plenty of finger pointing to go around and Jeter is not excluded. I cannot remember the last time Alex Rodriguez had a meaningful hit but I can remember a number of pathetic strikeouts. If anyone has any doubts of how important Matsui-san was to this team you only have to look at a game like last night: not one clutch hit.