Chamberlain to go back to NY for tests
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 05, 2008 
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Joba Chamberlain will fly back to New York tomorrow for an MRI and other tests on his right shoulder.
Chamberlain said he was injured in the fifth inning while pitching. “It was something where it grabbed and popped and got stiff,” he said.
The injury appears more muscular in nature and does not involve the labrum or rotator cuff. “It doesn’t hurt in the wrong places,” Chamberlain said. “My velocity was fine.”
Joe Girardi said that at the very least, Chamberlain would miss his next start. The last time he said that about a starter was Chien-Ming Wang.
Given his age and importance to the organization, you can expect the Yankees to be very cautious with Chamberlain. It’s almost certain he will go on the disabled list and he could be shut down for a while.
Ian Kennedy, Phil Hughes, Carl Pavano, Jarrod Washburn, Darrell Rasner, Paul Byrd, Livan Hernandez … your guess is as good as mine as to what they will do. But somebody has to face the Angels on Friday and then you go from there.
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Meanwhile, the grand slam came on Damaso Proctor’s 42nd pitch. That’s the most he has thrown in a game since Aug. 6, 2006.
The Yankees did not have Giese, Veras or Rivera. They did have David Robertson, however.
well, hopefully they get good news and pettitte steps up tomorrow. padilla’s the best the rangers have to offer this series. even THIS putrid offense ought to be able to put something together.
so many reasons to hate texas.
Great news… now I can take a hammer to the head
Well… I suppose it could be much much worse. Any comments from Pudge? How did he know to run to Joba after his last pitch?
What is this? all our rookies getting hurt in texas.
Oh Ian Kennedy? Where are you?
Just shut him down. No reason to push the gas-pedal. Too much of a risk.
Is this how the final season at Yankee Stadium ends? Sigh…
popping….bad
AJ Burnett? Anyone?
Oh well the big three down
Now am I a pessimist if I think the season is done. Nice rotation down the stretch Andy,Moose,Rasner,Ponson,???. That is a playoff rotation far superior to Beckett, Dice-K and Lester or Kazmir, Shields, Garza. I am waiting on football at this point.
hughes will comeback to rescue yanks
“How did he know to run to Joba after his last pitch?”
Girardi said they saw him shake his arm so they went to check on him.
Now Cashman’s not getting a starter at the deadline looms gigantic.
But no one expected this.
Even if we should have.
I hate Texas. Stupid red state.
And…Season over
I can just imagine reading the blog tomorrow and seeing “Torn Labrum Joba out til 2010″
Time for the offense to wake the f&*^ up and support these pitchers who’ve been killing themselves to keep the team in the game.
42 pitches.. at least he didn’t burn out the rest of the bullpen. We’re going to need them at the golf course come October.
“hughes will comeback to rescue yanks”
Hughes is weeks away. You can’t rush him.
No way the Yanks call up Hughes. He’s not ready yet.
I’d say Kennedy or Rasner will get the call. An outside chance they pick-up Livan Hernandez. Ken Rosenthal said there will be no waiver trade with any team for Washburn, so that probably ends that option.
What happened to Aveces?
use marte only as the lefty specialist
use veras as the SU man.
This season had fail written all over it when Wanger went down on to 09! Here are some of my observations on the 08 season: Jeter looks absolutely done, Who plays first next year Giambi is gone, CC is now a must for next year simply to provide depth.
GB7,
I know that in manager school, that’s what they tell you to do. But our bullpen had gotten so adept at getting out lefties and righties no matter which arm they throw with. It wasn’t even the heart of the lineup. And to add insult to insult, Murphy hits a triple!
The toy needs to be put back in the box and brought to play with when we face Papi.
Just kidding, Damaso needs to rest his wing and psyche and get back on the horse. In shorter spurts please!
remember joba was injury prone through his college career and might again now we could have two injury prone pitchers
Damaso Proctor’s 42nd pitch.
haha ugh
Anyways, they need to be careful with Joba. No matter what.
While they are being careful with him, this team still has to find a way to win games.
The season isn’t over, this is just another crappy bump this team has to overcome.
So what options do they have. Kennedy? Aceves? Bring us Livan??
Hughes isn’t ready yet.
well they still have 50 games to prove their worth, injuries or no injuries. Time will tell if the yanks go out to the new ballpark as winners, or as disappointments.
It is really sad that when the Yanks play that final game at the stadium they will be 10 games out of both races, what a terrible shame.
PHIL STAY HEALTHY !
As I posted some time ago, the Yankees will be in the PS because both the RS and TB will let us in.
I’m a charter member of Rebecca’s Optimist Prime club, so that is the best card i have to play right now.
Hughes is weeks away. You can’t rush him.
He’s in AAA right now and Nardi expects him up soon.
Season’s not over till it’s over.
Don’t forget what the Phillies did last year without a pitching staff of any sort, or the Rockies.
I’m not saying it will be easy or even that it’s realistic.
I’m just sayin it’s not impossible.
Though, if I’m the Yankees, I boycott the state of texas from now on.
im not talking about next start man
Hughes coming off broken rob wont even be back til late late August. Hughes and Joba might come back for September or they might not. But seriously we are all adults here and this season is done, now I can concentrate solely on the NFL come September.
Wang was also hurt in Texas.
I think Joba might not be too bad. They lest us see him and his arm wasn’t imobilized or even being iced. He didn’t seem anguished at all. Could just be that front deltoid thing I sometimes get at the gym.
I hate Texas.
Plenty of time to get a starter through waivers.
Hughes likely needs 3 more starts to get his count up near 90, which would put him 15-20 days away from a ML start?
I think Kennedy should be the guy. He’s pitched well in AAA, and he appears to be at full-strength.
“Joe Girardi said that at the very least, Chamberlain would miss his next start. The last time he said that about a starter was Chien-Ming Wang.”
Is that dig at Girardi really necessary? Joba said his velocity was fine and that “it doesn’t hurt in the wrong places.” Let’s wait to see the test results before jumping to conclusions about Girardi hiding injuries from the media.
if kennedy comes up he better pitch on saturday
other news Cervelli is now going to Trenton.
Melancon to NY is now Cashman’s decision
Yankee fan and damn proud Red Stater Rebecca.
“He’s in AAA right now and Nardi expects him up soon.”
No. AA is what they said pre game. His last start was at A a few days ago. He needs at least 2 or 3 more starts to get up to 100 pitch count. Right now he would not help this team.
Honestly, I was not too worried because it was like Hughes or Wang’s injury. It seemed more gradually on setting then a sudden pull. Thats usually how a rotator cuffs and labrums are strained/torn. As long as its not labrum/rotator cuff related, Joba will be fine. Besides, if it were I doubt he would have been hitting 96 on the gun. You would know if he blow his shoulder out.
WC race is still anyone’s grab – Twinkies down now 9-6 to those feisty Mariners
E-Man Hughes is in Scranton. Carl who the hell knows is in Trenton.
IPK is in Scranton or AAA.
I’m really enjoying the collapse by Minny in Seattle. Down 6-1, Seattle plates 6 runs and still going.
Update: Now it’s 9-6 Seattle.
That just sounds…so wrong.
Red Stater: I’m just pissed that that state has taken three of our best pitchers from us! Nothing personal.
E-man – Hughes is in Scranton. Drove up with Shelley.
Shelly homered tonight, BTW.
Hey Al from BK … we get it, the season is over… now you can go concentrate on football and stop posting here…
He called him Damaso Proctor. Hahahahaha.
Hughes is in AAA now
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/
Phil made his way to Scranton last night, and he will slot into the Class AAA rotation this week. (He drove up with Shelley Duncan, who’s back in Scranton after a quick rehab for his separated shoulder in Tampa.) I can’t imagine Phil would need more than two starts until he’s ready. That could mean the end of the Sidney Ponson Era, Part 2, although Ponson has done a good job.
I can’t believe Rebecca has gotten all political…
:::weeps:::
Rebecca,
As a former citizen of the great state of Texas and a fan of the color “red”, I have to say I’m mildly insulted.
Now’s the time to try and get something out of Pavano. His arm belongs to someone else next year anyhow.
Good job by Miller Huggins ahh I mean Girardi pitching Veras yesterday in a 14-9 game.
Meanwhile, Ibanez up with a chance to hit a grand slam twice in the same inning, oooooooh
Aceves, Hughes & that Pavano guy are not ready as they are all still working their way back from injuries.
Cashman & Girardi, justifiably, seem to think IPK needs some more seasoning in AAA.
Assuming Joba misses some time, they may use Giese and Rasner. If they really want Rasner out, the most likely call up would be Chase Wright. Hold on tight!
Moose, Pettitte, Ponson, Giese, and Rasner/Wright. I’m really not trying to be negative, but that’s not exactly the rotation we need to win 2/3 games for the rest of the season to get into the playoffs.
There goes Rebecca again. Being her charming self.
LOL.
Weak! Only a 2-rbi single.
“E-Man Hughes is in Scranton. Carl who the hell knows is in Trenton.”
Ok. Well he still has to build up his arm strength down there.
And who cares about Pavano? He’ll find some way not to pitch. For all we know he’s still hurt.
Without Joba and the offense being average and no Wang we can pretty much kiss 2008 goodbye.
Unless you think IPK, Pavano, Giese, Rasner, etc can do it.
Don’t bring up Pavano.
It’ll make this pain worse for everyone.
Nick and Mel: You guys don’t know me very well
It’s a small miracle I’ve managed to keep my politics off the blog, for the most part.
ahaha “concentrate on football” what the hell does that even mean?
Ok. Well he still has to build up his arm strength down there.
He hit high 90′s in his last start, right now it’s on control.
What Peter neglects to report is that Joba and Girardi both think its just muscular. But of course Peter is setting up a scenario where he can say “TOLD YA SO”.
Rebecca and I share political views, but that is personal opinion and not the matter at hand
Otherwise, Texas is AN AMAZING state. Drop dead gorgeous. Big Bend National Park is one of my favorite places on earth and the drive along the south going from East to West is terrific. And the people I’ve met there are pretty wonderful.
Just bum luck/coincidence that Hughes and Chamberlain got injuries there. It’s the way the chips land and we all knew Joba had shoulder problems before. He’s been brilliant in the rotation, but I am going to feel really awful if it turns out he was over-taxed and rushed. Really shows that the current administration under Cashman is still really too early on to evaluate the moves and non-moves they’ve made. Personally, I am on the fence. I think if Joba goes down for a long period of time (read: rest of season, into next) and it’s because he was not ready to handle the innings, you’ve got to hold player development and the GM responsible.
Yeah, getting Abreu was nice, as was Marte and Nady but I fail to see evidence of Cashman’s brilliance just yet.
Stupid Willie Bloomquist spoiling the fun by getting greedy. 2 guys had already scored in front of him on Ibanez’s single. What a party pooper.
So Giese, Veras, Rivera were not available.
And our starter only went 4.2 innings.
We were doomed from the start. Robertson was our last available BP arm… he would have to take one for the team if this game went 11-12 innings, like Heilman did last week.
Hybird, a pulled Hammy is ‘just muscular’.
“Without Joba and the offense being average and no Wang we can pretty much kiss 2008 goodbye.
Unless you think IPK, Pavano, Giese, Rasner, etc can do it.”
I agree, but it’s so hard to accept. Wang going down was huge, but Joba is the nail in the coffin.
Sweeney said Joba would have still been on that mound had Girardi and Eiland not spoted him shaking his arm. They believe he’ll miss 1 start again GOD PLEASE TAKE PAVANO’S ARM INSTEAD AND LEAVE JOBA ALONE !
Well, 2008 was a fun year. We were in 3rd and treading water with Joba.
No way he throws another pitch this year.
Well I’ve been saying all night,,,Joba is fine….I’n not so sure he misses a start, if so it’s very precautionary
“He hit high 90’s in his last start, right now it’s on control.”
By arm strength I mean pitch count. He only threw 54 pitches his last start. He’s schedule for 65-70 the next one. So you have to figure it’s at least 3 more starts down there.
Marte = Felix Heredia?
Thrillington: You’re forgetting Wang
I’ve never been to Texas, and I’d go visit the Alamo if not for my phobia of thunderstorms that generally keeps me from anywhere west of the appalachains and east of the rockies.
You honestly cannot believe Hughes was throwing in the high 90′s.
Tyler Kepner said today:
“Phil made his way to Scranton last night, and he will slot into the Class AAA rotation this week… I can’t imagine Phil would need more than two starts until he’s ready.”
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....rm-sights/
That sounds like he could be 11-14 days away from an MLB start IF everything goes perfectly.
So we have a mystery injury that may have been the result of falling down and suddenly it’s Cashman’s fault?
Marte has now lost 2 games for us.
He equals out the X factor.
Christ Neal, it was a bad joke. Get over it.
bruney looked good
how funny would it be if pavano got a start. ya gotta admit itd be sorta hilarious at this point- and the way the seasons gone he’d prolly toss 6 shut out innings.
wow- K-Rod just blew a 4 run lead with 2 outs in the 9th
This team was done when Wang got hurt. Texas ain’t fun for pitchers.
The offense has been totally average.
We got a black hole Zero in CF.
A 2b with a 300 OBP
No Posada. No Matsui. A-Rod missed a month. Giambi is streak personified.
The bench is awful. No high end position player talent in the minors.
You honestly cannot believe Hughes was throwing in the high 90’s.
Nardi wouldn’t lie about that.
K-Rod blows the save. Well how about that.
Gotta love unfamiliar names posting on here about the season being over and Joba being amputated and insulting a HOF poster. Yeesh.
Thrillington,
I think you are being a little unfair here. How could the team have possibly been more cautious with Joba?
The Yanks will shut him down for sure.
Now lets see if Kennedy can finally handle some pressure.
IPK pitched another excellent game last night. 2 ER, 6 hits, 1 BB and 6 Ks in 7 innings. That’s his WORST start of the last 4. IPK’s ready to pitch by 8/8 if needed…
Kei Igawa (!) pitched another great game tonight too!
“Nardi wouldn’t lie about that.”
Hughes DOES NOT THROW HIGH 90′S.
Have you been blind the past 3 years?
Wow, Rebecca, I totally forgot Wang was injured in Texas. They should only pitch Pavano in Texas.
Is there such a thing as a HOF poster? Well, OK then. HOF poster. HOF poster. Where is that buiding?
Kennedy is the best AAA pitcher we got.
He is not a major league pitcher yet.
“Kei Igawa (!) pitched another great game tonight too!”
OMG, I actually forgot about him. LOL!
Well, it’s nice to see that PA has somebody new to take shots at. It must have been gnawing at his gut (though, apparantly not enough). I suppose that it never occured to him and the whiners that not everybody is on every night. Hopefully, he’ll be able to find a replacement target after Marte’s next game.
Great way to start off a 10 game road trip against 3 possible playoff teams.
Hughes will have 2 starts in Scranton, then it’s on to the Bronx…Kennedy could be on his way, one start sooner than expected……
Ironically, this Nady/Marte trade might be similar to the Nady/Roberto Hernandez and Perez trade.
We all thought Marte was the fruit of the trade and gave us a legit 8th inning option and the lefty we’ve been dying for and Nady was a stop gap guy and a 8-9 hitter that could hit righties.
Just like Mets fans thought Roberto Hernandez was Sanchez’ replacement in the pen and Perez was an extra arm.
Now Nady looks like a legit player and a long term answer for us, hes been clutch and a professional hitter with RISP, like a righty Matsui. Wheras Marte looks like a bust and a guy who will not be here long.
Hughes DOES NOT THROW HIGH 90′S.
I’ll take the word of scouts that had radar guns at the game over yours thank you. Anyway we’ll find out on Thursday.
“Well, it’s nice to see that PA has somebody new to take shots at. It must have been gnawing at his gut (though, apparantly not enough). I suppose that it never occured to him and the whiners that not everybody is on every night. Hopefully, he’ll be able to find a replacement target after Marte’s next game.”
Marte should get a pass, why???
Thrillington: Wouldn’t get any complaints from me.
Maybe kennedy?
But is it me…or does girardi not seem to really care for IPK right now. Maybe there just being cautious but it doesn’t seem like they trust him enouhh to bring him back.
I also read somewhere about himnot being where he was last year in AAA
“Hughes will have 2 starts in Scranton, then it’s on to the Bronx…Kennedy could be on his way, one start sooner than expected……”
It looks like we might just live by the sword and die by the sword this season.
You are a moron if you think that Hughes now throws in the upper 90′s.
And Francisci Rodriguez blows another save for the angels. Damned…I guess it does happen to other teams besides the Yankees.
LOL. K-rod cleaned up Shields’ mess alright.
GB7,
Pshaw. PA has no power. The blog has the power. We railed all DAY long about dropping Giambi in the order. And what does he do? Responds. I swear, he must be reading. Maybe he’s Francis the Praying Mantis?
I just heard that they had to edit the postgame interview with him. Kim Jones asked Big G, “WTF didn’t you shave it 2 weeks ago?”
No team loses two aces and wins except for Fresno State.
Well, E-man, if they need a sword, I got a couple they can borrow.
***Francisco***
Reading Tyler’s article, Joba at least doesn’t sound too depressed. I think that’s a good sign. Still, we might need to bring up IPK earlier than Cashman (or I for that matter) had hoped.
Worst loss of the yr.
You know, after all the disappointment associated with Hughes and IPK at the beginning of the season, it would really be terrific if they came back and pitched great. That could literally save the season. Is that possible, or am I just getting overtired?
i thought it was a bad move to leave Marte in. however, the “Damaso Proctor” comment by Pete is silly. Girardi has not burned people’s arms out, he’s distributed the load.
Giese-Kennedy on Fri and Sat.
OUCH.
“Marte should get a pass, why???”
Because it was little obivous after he walked the bases loaded that he had absolutely nothing.
It happens to every pitcher. There are going to be days where nothing works. How can you fault him? It’s the managers job to realize it and make a move.
Damaso Farnsworth.
RSM: You’re not getting overtired; you’re thinking storybook.
I’m rooting for anyone that can step up and win games for the Yankees in these ‘dog days’ of August. And if that includes names like Pavano and Wright, so be it.
Yankee Stadium deserves PS play in its final year, regardless of past performances (or lack thereof).
The RS and TB are as ‘gassed’ as we are. But we have fresh arms coming to help and they don’t. This is going to be a foot race and guess what folks, we’re in. Mark the tape.
If our rotation ends up being Hughes, Kennedy, Pavano, Ponson, Igawa, then we’re winning the World Series.
The Freak Show World Series, that is.
I hope this is not the Marte we received in the trade. It’s like all the bullpen guys we get—Witasick, Quantrill, Heredia,etc.—come to the Yanks and become the not-so-super-hero known as the Run Fairy, giving runs to all the boys and girls who ask for them.
You don’t get pitchers like Marte and give them passes in a tie game on the road. Walking 3 guys is unforgivable.
Marte is not a big city kind of pitcher. We are witnessing that.
“Well, E-man, if they need a sword, I got a couple they can borrow.”
Nice.
How can you pass the Sox when you got one starter who can give u 7 every night? Maybe 2 if you count Mussina.
You got 3 starters who maybe, who might be able to get you 18 outs. Tops.
Face it. We are cooked.
GB7,
LOL.
Sigh. Sherril walks Mathis to load the bases for Figgins.
“Good job by Miller Huggins ahh I mean Girardi pitching Veras yesterday in a 14-9 game.”
youre an idiot.
What about Moose?!
E-Man: I’m a medieval history student; I collect them. Have two broadswords, light sword, a civil war sword and a practice sword.
TD: Marte was gassed from throwing so many pitches. He’s not a long reliever. Part of the blame has got to go to Girardi.
Yucky poo, Sherrill.
Does not even come close to Proctor abuse.
This year alone, Torre has used Proctor for 40+ pitches 3 times…. in a 6-1 loss at Atlanta, a 7-1 loss vs. Houston, and a 12-7 loss at Detroit.
Last year, Torre had him throw 47 pitches in an extra inning game vs. Washington and in 2006, he threw 54 pitches in a loss at Minnesota.
peterson, have you seen what Moose has done this season?
Chase Wright has been pitching more than well to merit a ML promotion, Ian Kennedy also has done very well OH BOY our SP takes a knock if something happens to Joba …
Rebecca, I believe Moose and Pettitte have to pitch games in Texas too.
Ponson is immune.
gotta love (and by love, i mean hate) the irony of the fact that the new yankees philosophy is not to “take chances” on signing free agent pitchers because too much can go wrong, but here we are with hughes and kennedy already having been complete disappointments and joba headed for the DL. turns out one proposition isn’t much less a risk than the other, it’s just less expensive.
there’s reason to be optimistic if joba’s not done for the year. if they shut him down, it’s going to be AWFULLY difficult for the yankees to make any serious noise the next two months. hughes? kennedy? we saw what they could do earlier this season. if memory serves, it wasn’t overwhelming. pavano? igawa? i’d say “you’re kidding,” but that’s not even funny.
you don’t replace what joba was giving this team at this point in the season. sorry. if he’s done, in all likelihood, so are they.
what a drag.
Mel, that’s something rare for Marte and Sherrill. You almost never see them walk batters, much less, three in an inning.
this should be the rotation
pettitte
mussina
pavano
zombrano
ponson
In 1996, didn’t we lose most of our rotation at one time or another?
Just wondering. I was only 10 at the time and my memory’s fuzzy.
Rebecca,
I may be thinking storybook because I am desperately trying to avoid admitting this season is over so early. After the 1996 WS I swore I’d never write this team off again until they were mathematically eliminated. Unfortunately, I have been very pessimistic since Wang’s injury. Losing Joba may be our death knell. This year has just been disappointing and frustrating all season. Something positive would be welcomed. Could Hughes or IPK could be that ray of sunshine? I guess we’ll see.
Looks like Dr. Gloom and Doom (Kasey) has found his way home. I knew there was a whiner missing among the clowns.
GB7,
Lot of freakish stuff happening tonight. Big innings and blown saves.
The Yankees got the worst of it having insults added to injury.
Well, I don’t think the season’s over yet.
Anyone know the timeline of tonight’s injury? When did it happen? Did Joba come right out? Was he in obvious pain?
Someone mentioned Rasner getting a start against the Angels. I thought he was being replaced by Giese?
96 we had a dominate pettite, and a mediocre keys, cone and rogers
rebecca,
in 1996, the yankees weren’t staring down the prospect of having to chase two teams for a postseason berth without their two best pitchers. so, no. you’re not remembering that correctly.
Kasey, is your memory of what Hughes and Kennedy can do strictly limited to the 2008 season?
Season is over.
Bring up Jackson, Tabata, McCutchen, Miranda, and Melancon.
we might see jackson when the rosters expand
RSM,
I had similar thoughts about the karmic irony.
IPK and Hughes came up huge down the stretch last season. I think they could do it again.
IPK was not on the post-season roster because of a pulled back muscle. How different that series could have turned out, huh?
I’m very psyched about Hughes. Not only physically, but I think he had some regrets about how he pitched when he came up. Not being aggressive and what not. He knows these chances won’t present themselves often and I bet he’ll grab the brass ring.
greenberet,
are you willing to tell me you think this team can make a serious run without joba and wang, and without hughes for another two weeks? with an offense that has not delivered on its potential yet this season?
really? it’d be nothing short of a miracle.
Rebecca, in 1996, the only starter NYY lost was Cone. However Pettitte led in starts and it was Key and Rogers that made 30 starts, and Gooden made 29. Every other spot was pieced together.
Kasey: Like I said, I was 10.
I’m allowed to have a fuzzy memory of something that happened when I was 10.
kasey,
We have a new superhero, X-man, and his sidekick, Super G.
Have faith. These are the Yankees, they never give up.
kasey: If there’s ever a season for Yankee miracles, this has got to be it.
nick,
no, hughes was great until he got injured. and then he was pretty mediocre. until he got injured. hopefully this time he’ll help them out, but assuming he’ll be able to replicate what joba’s given them is a stretch, to say the least.
kennedy was fine, but count me among those who don’t think he’ll amount to much at this level. if he does, great.
“Season is over.
Bring up Jackson, Tabata, McCutchen, Miranda, and Melancon”
Will Pittsburgh allow us to bring up Tabata? I don’t have all the rules memorized, but I’m not sure that we could bring up their player.
I’ll be really surprised if the Yanks bring Tabata up!
rebecca,
yeah, a miracle finish would certainly be a better way to say goodbye to the stadium than an unceremonious lurch towards the finish line in third place.
Rebecca,
If u r 10 in 1996..u must be 22-23 Years old then.
I hope McCutchen is ready
So my son tells me today. “Did you know that some guy threw a no-hitter on acid? And the guy who invented DNA was tripping on PSP?”
And your point is?
When did it happen? 5th inning
Did Joba come right out? yes
Was he in obvious pain? no
Dr. Gloom, instead of putting Chamberlain on the 60 day DL before the real doctors ((not blog doctors like yourself) check him out. Your fingers must be sore from your constant handwringing.
Why don’t we find out what really is going on with Joba before we declare the season over. Would that be too hard?
Or I guess declaring that this team has no hope and is done is what some would rather do?
Mattingly,
Thanks. Did it happen on a play or did he just not feel right?
While Pittsburgh is loaning us Tabata and McCutchen, maybe they’ll throw in Karstens for a start or two until Joba is back?
When does Ponson pitch against Texas? He should be ‘pretty well hydrated’ in preparation for the heat.
Bring up Jackson, Tabata, McCutchen, Miranda, and Melancon.
I didn’t realize we magically got them back from the Pirates. Oh I bet that sneaky Cashman kidnapped them.
“Dr. Gloom, instead of putting Chamberlain on the 60 day DL before the real doctors ((not blog doctors like yourself) check him out.”
first of all, your sentence is constructed so poorly that it makes no sense. instead of putting him on the DL, i should do what? you’ll want to throw a second half on that bad boy, maybe.
secondly, i said if (IF) he’s done, they’re done. i did not say he was done. but, as most everyone with an iota of knowledge about the situation has observed, the yankees will likely be incredibly careful with joba, given they’re currently a third place team and he is the future of the organization. so, in all likelihood, he’s headed to the DL. if that’s not the case, great. see how all of those sentences are relatively complete? give it a shot next time and i won’t have to guess at your “point.”
Under the new rules, can Washburn give us a spot start without actually being acquired?
S.A.,
Actually the trade never happened. It’s too good to be true.
Nady has not hit 4 HR in 30 AB after starting 1 for 11.
The Yanks have been staring down both barrels of a loaded shotgun since the start of 2004 because of injuries and have made the playoffs each year. Name another team that can claim that. They’re still in the division title run and they’ll make it closer, yet. Whine and cry all you want, Dr. G&D, that’s what you do best. Me, I see that things could be worse, so, I’ll just keep faith with the team and wait it out.
I don’t think this is that bad. I have no medical expertise whatsoever, but I’m not nearly as worried about this one as I was with Wang or Hughes last year. Both of those guys were clearly in a lot of pain when they left the field. Joba was prodding at the front of his shoulder. I know that reactions on the field are not always indicative of the seriousness of the injury (think Pavano getting beaned in the head with Mora’s liner or Karstens pitching with a broken leg), but I’m holding out hope that a one or two starts off will do the trick.
There’s something about this season. I don’t know if the injuries will finally overcome this season and the season will end in disapointment, or if Xavier Nady will do his best David Justice impression and drag us into the postseason, where we pull a 2006 Cardinals and win the damn thing. Either way, this isn’t another one and done playoff year. Either we don’t make it, or we’re winning the damn trophy. It’s just that kind of year.
it’s so odd that the people on this board, by and large, seem to possess at least a cursory grasp of the english language and yet 9/10 of them seem to have absolutely no understanding of the meaning of the word “if.”
puzzling.
This should be a crazy finish to the season. At some point the Yankee O will start blugeoning their way into the postseason. Giambi has finally reheated…
By the way, that game with Pavano against Baltimore, where he took a liner off the head and just walked around like he was fine, was probably his toughest moment as a Yankee. He was pulled, of course. And I think he strained something a few starts later.
lol mel. Nady had just been a dream.
Anyway, tomorrow..er today will be interesting.
I’m expecting “Joba Injury Watch 2008/The season is over, Run to the hills” day.
Move over Brett Favre.
“kennedy was fine, but count me among those who don’t think he’ll amount to much at this level. if he does, great.”
Thats what ppl said about Mussina too but look at him now
is nady our ryan church
Ah kasey, the dullards of LoHud have let you down yet again.
If only we could do better…
Nice of the Pirates GM to let us borrow our former farmhands to help the stretch run.
I missed all the happenings tonight. .Joba cannot be good. If he is out the season is over.. a rotation of pettitte, moose, and bums has zero chance with this offense..
2 on zero out 2 and 0 count on dumbo(cano) what does he do swings and flys out to left.
I will say it for the millionth time trying to be a hero does not work………Cano just is clueless. On his out in the 2nd or 1st I forget to right, decent hit ball the guy did not run watch the replay…
Joba’s postgame interview is up on yesnetwork.com if you want to see it. Many here sound more concerned than he does.
NYY: I’m 22. I didn’t realize this was an issue.
funny, nick.
i’m just saying, i’m pretty liberal with my use of the word IF. people oughta look for it in my posts.
no reason to declare the season over. but IF joba’s done, then they’re going to have a very tough time filling that void, no matter who they plug into that spot.
because even IF the offense does slug its way to a playoff berth (and given that we’re now at the 112 game mark and they have yet to display anything remotely resembling consistency, that’s a stretch), the yankees will still need something a bit better than pettitte-moose-hughes in october. unless hughes’ performance at the beginning of the year was a fluke and that injury really hampered him.
bottom line, IF they lost joba, he’s irreplaceable. IF.
IF.
Actually, Dr. G&D, you never said “If”. You said “can’t make a run now without Joba and Wang”. at 1:26 AM and you put him on the dL at 1:17 AM. Care to try it again?
Please note that the RS lost to KC on the road, continuing their stellar away performance. KC.
And Tampa lost at home to Cleveland. Maybe the magic kingdom down there is showing some wear and tear.
This season is not over by any means. It may not be pretty, but all three teams are going to be relying on their 2nd/3rd tier SPs and IMO, ours are better. How many games out were we at this time last year?
“there’s reason to be optimistic if joba’s not done for the year. if they shut him down, it’s going to be AWFULLY difficult for the yankees to make any serious noise the next two months.”
that’s from my post at 1:17am. you’ll notice that the letters I and F combine to form the word “if” twice.
my post at 1:26am was a question posed to you asking if you thought the team was capable of making a run without joba, which you never answered.
like i said, if you read an entire post, rather than searching for stuff to bicker about, we’ll have a better shot at a conversation.
we’re all bummed that joba’s hurt. it’s excellent that you choose to see the bright side. some of us aren’t looking at it that way. that’s also an acceptable viewpoint.
this is from a poster on the yankees.com board -
“I live in Orange County and hav been familiar with Gerrit Cole for the past two years. I have recently been informed that the Yankees have all but shut down talks with him. As you know, his agent is Scott Boras and they are asking for a $10 million signing bonus, marking the largest signing bonus in history. The Yankees have reportedly offered $4.7 million, as that is good even for a top 10 pick, let alone a 28 pick. When Boras and Cole wouldn’t budge, the Yankees apparently shut down talks. Apparently now Cole is going to Santa Ana Junior College for a year, as this would make him eligible for next years draft. I hope this story isn’t exact, as Cole has a very high ceiling with his velocity. But knowing him and his cocky ego, coupled with Boras, this could very well be completely true.”
http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb.....#038;ctx=0
Dr. Gloom, go back and help your 3rd grade teacher correct the class papers. When I need help with my “sentence structure”, I’ll look for someone a Hell of a lot more intelligent than you.
Joba’s next start was Saturday in Anaheim… who takes it? Kennedy?
How many games out were we at this time last year?
Last year on Aug 5th, the Yanks were 61-50 and 7 games in back of the Red Sox(68-43) for the Division and 1/2 a game behind Detroit(61-49) for the WC (Seattle was also 1/2 a game behind Det)
Need to start talking about next year.
IMO the following are the only untouchables:
A Rodriguez (because of his ridiculous contract!)
Hughes
Chamberlain
Pettite
Posada (again because of stupid contract)
Mo
Veras
Marte
Nady
Wang
Everyone else is available!! Yeah, even Jeter and Cano.
Try posting all of it, instead of the parts that help you in your BS.
well, greenberet, you have certainly taken me down a peg or two. i’ll cry myself to sleep tonight, no doubt.
And, of course Pepitone forgets that, for starters, Jeter can’t be traded and, it’s not likely the Yanks will trade one of the top 3 2nd basemen in the ML, not to mention the second youngest position player on the team.
If Joba is out the yare done.. the likes of ponsons and assorted other drek will not triumph with this soft offense..
5 runs against a crap pitching staff the offense did not do there job for the 40th time or so..
solo jacks, 1 big hit a measly single by giambi..
arod gave awayt 1 bat, I did not see the 5th inning on thank god….why was veras not available.. he pitched 1 inning yesterday….edwar threw 29 pitches yesterday so that cooked him….
man things looked real good in the 4th inning or so, not now…
It’s not really my fault that you’re an obnoxious jerk, Dr. Gloom. Perhaps you should blame your parents, as I’m sure everyone that knows you does.
greenberet,
this is silly. you can post the parts of my post that support your argument, but i should post all of it, rather than the parts that support mine?
i understand you’re upset about what happened tonight and you’d probably rather not think about the possible ramifications of chamberlain’s injury IF he is going to miss any significant amount of time. but there’s really not any reason to be this stubborn about your argument.
i get it, dude. you don’t agree with my outlook on the situation. that’s fine. there are plenty of other posters – rebecca, angel, etc. – who express an optimistic viewpoint and do so without criticizing those who disagree.
in the end, i’m pretty sure you and i would both love to see the yanks bounce back from this – whatever the situation with chamberlain may be.
“Perhaps you should blame your parents, as I’m sure everyone that knows you does.”
this seems pretty unnecessary to me. i’ll go ahead and take credit for being an obnoxious jerk. no need to shift blame to my folks, who are both fine people.
jeter can’t and won’t be traded. you have to think, after this season, cano isn’t as untouchable as he once was, though. however, if he could put it together for a full season, he’d be hands-down the best second baseman in baseball. right now, he’s not.
Let’s all hope for the best regarding Joba…
But even if we lose him for an extended period, it doesn’t necessarily mean the season is over…
The Yankees are nothing if not resilient…
At times this season we’ve been without the likes of Jeter, A-Rod, Posada, Matsui, Wang etc…
We’re still without some of these key players…
We’re also still in the race last time I checked the standings…
We will overcome!!!!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
I have a feeling that Phil Hughes is going to have a strong comeback..I’m sure it won’t all be pretty though.
The more things change….
There was a time when Pete only had roughly 10-20 posts per game thread back in the summer of 2006 and the funniest part is that kasey is exactly the same pessimist now that he was back then.
There were a handful of us original LoHud regulars like me, kasey, and randyhater and kasey always had the very same arguments with us back then because everyone used to get on his case for it.
Good to see you haven’t changed a bit, kasey. Funny stuff.
The next positive post you make would be the first, just like the first time you don’t attempt to impress everyone with your “intelligence”, will also be your first.
Rebecca,
I ask you kindly not to use that kind of language to express yourself. (bad joke post)
Thanks!
GB7 & kasey,
Uh. How old are you? You’re both better than this.
Anaconda, I just don’t see why a person would spend that much time and get such a thrill out of being a jerk to everyone on a message board. I imagine that it’s because he’s tried it in real life and found out that nobody could kick his azs on the internet.
Mel, I’m 19 years old, again. (3rd time around).
GB7,
That’s still a little too old to be bullying kids on the playground.
anaconda, do you post here much anymore? i don’t read a ton of the game threads, and i only post every few days, so if you’re around a bunch, i’ve missed you.
it’s been pretty cool to watch pete’s blog develop over the last few seasons, and see it gain him some notoriety.
and, yeah, it’s the same argument because i maintain the same viewpoint, i tend condescend people, and most people would rather jump at that than read my posts.
i’d still much rather talk baseball than my parents’ role in shaping my obnoxiousness, but i suppose i brought it on myself by pointing out that greenberet’s sentence was making nothing resembling a point.
so, yeah, the more things change…
good to see you posting, though.
All right, here we are with 50 games left. Matsui, Wang, Posada – three very important players are out. Joba’s hurt – to what extent we don’t know. Offense has not been anywhere near last years mark. Lots of reasons to give up if you want to.
But there is also good news – Nady, Moose, RS w/o Manny, and the chance that we will see a Yankee classic ending to the season with step up performances from IPK (OK, I’m rooting for him), Hughes and even Pavano.
So simple yes or no answer – Call it – do the Yankees make the PS? Everyone remember their call and well see who had it right.
this season will……..
greenberet,
sorry i upset you with the hopeless negativism and sentence structure critique.
at the end of the day, we’d both love to see the team win. it’ll be much more difficult for them to do IF joba’s going to miss a significant amount of time. i think we can probably agree there. if you honestly think they’ll be just fine without joba (IF he’s headed to the DL), i’d love to hear why, and i’d love for the explanation to extend beyond, “because they’re the yankees!”
They really must hate Kennedy.It doesnt seem like they’re ready for him yet. What are they doing? waiting on hughes?
Momma….errr…Mel, I’m so ashamed.
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Just wasn’t in the mood for the whiners and trolls tonight. I had a lousy treatment session here in Tampa today and have two more days to go. I want a large pizza and a 6 pack of cokes, but, can’t have either.
“So simple yes or no answer – Call it – do the Yankees make the PS? Everyone remember their call and well see who had it right.”
IF joba’s done for the year, no.
IF joba’s injury is minor and he’ll only miss a few weeks, yes.
i think the rays will fade, but the wild card race will be tight.
Girardi said that at the WORST it would be one start and that he did not expect at all for it to be longer than one start.
That was from footage of probably the same exact gathering of reporters that you were in Pete.
Joba also said it’s basically nothing and that he feels just fine.
I don’t know where the “almost certain he’ll go on the DL” stuff comes from.
If there is nothing on the MRI, give him 7-8 days and have him start instead of ponson or rasner and then have Kennedy fill his spot.
If the MRI reveals anything at all, then he’s shut down for 2-3 weeks
Joba will back. I’d be suprised if it was more than one start
“August 5th, 2008 at 2:34 am
Girardi said that at the WORST it would be one start and that he did not expect at all for it to be longer than one start.
That was from footage of probably the same exact gathering of reporters that you were in Pete.
Joba also said it’s basically nothing and that he feels just fine.”
not having access to the YES postgame show, i’d love to hear others chime in on this.
kasey,
No, I don’t post much here anymore. It was much easier to have a lengthy discussion when there were 20-50 posts a thread instead of 1500+.
A lot of people now just post a bunch of nonsense, but there are several good posters as well who really know their baseball (CB comes to mind).
But good for Pete. He was one of the first NY beat writers to do it and now every major newspaper in NY does it.
He was one of the pioneers and he deserves a lot of credit for it’s huge success.
I’ll say this much – I know you’ll never change, but hey, optimism can be a good thing because you tend to live longer.
It’s not likely that Chamberlain had any impingement or a major issue and still be throwing 95-96. His statement was that he felt something on a pitch in the 4th inning, and nothing until the 5th, and, that it wasn’t pain, just something that he’s never felt before. He didn’t seem overly concerned about it. With Girardi, you can’t ever tell, butb
It’s not likely that Chamberlain had any impingement or a major issue and still be throwing 95-96. His statement was that he felt something on a pitch in the 4th inning, and nothing until the 5th, and, that it wasn’t pain, just something that he’s never felt before. He didn’t seem overly concerned about it. With Girardi, you can’t ever tell, but, if it was anything, I’m sure that things wouldn’t be so calm in the clubhouse. I’m sure Pettitte and Mussina would know about those things. A week off and, I think he’ll be fine. Just a gut feeling.
anaconda,
those game threads are out of control. i look for SJ44 and CB’s posts, among others but, yeah, there’s a lot of nonsense being posted – both ways – and it gets tough to wade through. i’d go ahead and include my dialogue with greenberet tonight in that “nonsense.”
pete and mark feinsand’s blogs are the only two i’ve ever read, as they’re the only two i found even remotely interesting. at first, i remember feinsand’s blog being more popular, but at some point, pete’s just took on a life of its own, probably due to his irreverence, as well as the constant updates and the structure of the game threads. mark does a lot of things very well on his blog, too, and i still read both avidly.
hope you’re well and i’m sure i’ll catch you at some point down the road.
“I’m sure that things wouldn’t be so calm in the clubhouse. I’m sure Pettitte and Mussina would know about those things. A week off and, I think he’ll be fine. Just a gut feeling.”
i hope your gut feeling is right and, again, i didn’t see the YES postgame, so i’m reliant on what pete and others are reporting. so i don’t know what exactly girardi or chamberlain said.
however, as for clubhouse demeanor, these guys are professional athletes with another game to play tomorrow and 49 more after that. of course they’re going to put their best foot forward, no matter what the situation. i don’t think any of us expected somebody to say, “joba’s finished and so are we. i’m just looking forward to the offseason.”
I might be way off base, but the only reason Joba came out of the game at that point in time was because GIRARDI spotted something and came running out. It didn’t even seem as if he was going to take himself out of the game if Girardi had not spotted him doing something with his arm. If he had stayed in for another inning, would we have ever even known about this? I’m just asking, I mean people are comparing this to Hughes, and Wang, and that’s just stupid. It clearly can’t be a similar injury because when Hughes and Wang got hurt they were no longer physically able to pitch. Joba showed 0 signs of not being physically able to pitch.
And the bottom line is, of course they’ll be careful with him, but you can’t put someone on the DL who doesn’t have an injury…
GB7,
We’re just one big happy dysfunctional family here.
Heard on the radio that Ortiz felt a pop in his wrist when he grounded out late in the game…
“And the bottom line is, of course they’ll be careful with him, but you can’t put someone on the DL who doesn’t have an injury…”
sure you can. teams do it all the time in order to make roster space.
“sure you can. teams do it all the time in order to make roster space.”
That’s true, but I mean in this situation, if they don’t actually find anything, I can’t see him gong on the DL… From the way he sounded he made it sound like they weren’t going to come up with any injury when they tested him.
dfox,
gotcha. hopefully he’ll miss one start and that’ll be that. but i think, given what’s happened with hughes, they’ll probably be pretty cautious.
if he misses one or two starts, they’ll be fine. more than that, could be trouble.
kasey,
Why worry? Livan Hernandez finds out Friday if he’s cleared waivers and becomes a free agent.
kasey,
I would recommend Bronx Banter, as well. It’s a quality site with good writing.
But honestly, what would we do without Pete? I was reading a couple of months into the start of his new venture — just not posting much at all because of time (posted under Stef). I missed you when you left for a while and am glad you’re back. You make me smile.
Mel, I can only agree with the “big, dysfunctional family” part. I hate hearing that about Ortiz. I’m an ardent hater of the Red Sox, but, that’s one thing I hate seeing…players from any team being injured. That’s not to be confused with a team full of players missing games because of hangovers, though. I’ll look around and see what’s going on with Ortiz, but, anything serious will really do big time damage to that lineup, especially with Ramirez vacationing in sunny LA.
GB7,
I heard it on the sportscenter update on the radio.
I’ve looked online and haven’t found anything yet. As usual, espn.com refused to write anything negative but they did mention that Lowell missed the game with a hip flexor issue.
Oh, God, Mel. I was just starting to feel better when you had to mention Livan Hernandez.
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Say, you’re not secretly Randy I, are you?
Mel, I was watching the Boston game on Sunday and saw Lowell pull up lame. I thought he might miss a game when he was pulled from the game for a pinch runner. He hurt himself running out an infield hit.
GB7,
Oddly enough the Yankees weren’t mentioned as one of the many teams that might vie for his services. The mets and rockies were listed as suitors.
GB7,
He had an injection at the spot.
This is the Ortiz story. http://www.bostonherald.com/sp.....position=0
http://www.bostonherald.com/sp.....position=0
thanks.
Mel, was it Ortiz or Lowell with the shot? I can’t imagine that they’d give Ortiz a shot without an MRI to see if there was more damage. I can’t open the link.
GB7,
Lowell got the injection and the link is broken, but if you click on it and click sports, it’ll take you to the front page where there’s a working link to the article.
Thanks, Mel. I just opened a regular link to Boton Herald. I just read the link PA had about tonight’s game. Seems that the plan is to have Mark Melancon make his next appearance in the middle of an inning, presumably to get him ready for a major league callup. That sounds like an attempt to reenforce a solid bullpen, and Kennedy may take Chamberlain’s starts if he’s forced to miss any.
“He’s got a lot of innings, but they’re controlled innings,â€*Contreras said. “He doesn’t get dry humped. If he gets up (in the bullpen) he’s in the game.â€
You heard it folks – if yer gonna get up, yer gonna get in the game.
I’ve never been more depressed in my life
Wait so is the MRI today or tomorrow?
Back bench:
I see no reason to disagree with you – the teams ahead of us aren’t exactly world beaters.
Somehow hearing the words Kei and Igawa bring no comfort. Imagine that!
e man exactly 17 days from today hughes can pitch for the yankees.he pitches this thursday,then the following tuesday,then the sunday after that.that makes three starts 5 days between.so 3 starts in 12 days and then 5 days rest to pitch on the 22nd of august
Would you surprise if Pavano comes up to the Yankees and pitches for his career.(if he had one)
or BTW why isnt Kennedy brought up? he has like 10 starts and his dominating triple-A. Hes better than Geise,Rasner, or Ponson