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Chamberlain to go back to NY for tests

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 05, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joba Chamberlain will fly back to New York tomorrow for an MRI and other tests on his right shoulder.

Chamberlain said he was injured in the fifth inning while pitching. “It was something where it grabbed and popped and got stiff,” he said.

The injury appears more muscular in nature and does not involve the labrum or rotator cuff. “It doesn’t hurt in the wrong places,” Chamberlain said. “My velocity was fine.”

Joe Girardi said that at the very least, Chamberlain would miss his next start. The last time he said that about a starter was Chien-Ming Wang.

Given his age and importance to the organization, you can expect the Yankees to be very cautious with Chamberlain. It’s almost certain he will go on the disabled list and he could be shut down for a while.

Ian Kennedy, Phil Hughes, Carl Pavano, Jarrod Washburn, Darrell Rasner, Paul Byrd, Livan Hernandez … your guess is as good as mine as to what they will do. But somebody has to face the Angels on Friday and then you go from there.

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Meanwhile, the grand slam came on Damaso Proctor’s 42nd pitch. That’s the most he has thrown in a game since Aug. 6, 2006.

The Yankees did not have Giese, Veras or Rivera. They did have David Robertson, however.

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656 Responses to “Chamberlain to go back to NY for tests”

  1. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    well, hopefully they get good news and pettitte steps up tomorrow. padilla’s the best the rangers have to offer this series. even THIS putrid offense ought to be able to put something together.

    so many reasons to hate texas.

  2. Deryck August 5th, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Great news… now I can take a hammer to the head

  3. Peter Rabbit August 5th, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Well… I suppose it could be much much worse. Any comments from Pudge? How did he know to run to Joba after his last pitch?

  4. TIME 4#27 August 5th, 2008 at 12:24 am

    What is this? all our rookies getting hurt in texas.

  5. S.A.-I still believe in this team and please let Joba be alright!! August 5th, 2008 at 12:24 am

    Oh Ian Kennedy? Where are you?

  6. eric August 5th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Just shut him down. No reason to push the gas-pedal. Too much of a risk.

  7. YanksFanMan (2009 Farnsworth return at reduced price!) August 5th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Is this how the final season at Yankee Stadium ends? Sigh…

  8. Dan August 5th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    popping….bad

  9. Kill-Schill(ing) August 5th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    AJ Burnett? Anyone?

  10. 34hughes August 5th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Oh well the big three down

  11. Al from BK(The season is over) August 5th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Now am I a pessimist if I think the season is done. Nice rotation down the stretch Andy,Moose,Rasner,Ponson,???. That is a playoff rotation far superior to Beckett, Dice-K and Lester or Kazmir, Shields, Garza. I am waiting on football at this point.

  12. 34hughes August 5th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    hughes will comeback to rescue yanks

  13. pat August 5th, 2008 at 12:29 am

    “How did he know to run to Joba after his last pitch?”

    Girardi said they saw him shake his arm so they went to check on him.

  14. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 12:30 am

    Now Cashman’s not getting a starter at the deadline looms gigantic.

    But no one expected this.

    Even if we should have.

    I hate Texas. Stupid red state.

  15. He Hate Me August 5th, 2008 at 12:30 am

    And…Season over

  16. Al from BK(The season is over) August 5th, 2008 at 12:30 am

    I can just imagine reading the blog tomorrow and seeing “Torn Labrum Joba out til 2010″

  17. David Cone's Labrum August 5th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    Time for the offense to wake the f&*^ up and support these pitchers who’ve been killing themselves to keep the team in the game.

  18. E-Man August 5th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    42 pitches.. at least he didn’t burn out the rest of the bullpen. We’re going to need them at the golf course come October.

  19. E-Man August 5th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    “hughes will comeback to rescue yanks”

    Hughes is weeks away. You can’t rush him.

  20. Noonan August 5th, 2008 at 12:34 am

    No way the Yanks call up Hughes. He’s not ready yet.

    I’d say Kennedy or Rasner will get the call. An outside chance they pick-up Livan Hernandez. Ken Rosenthal said there will be no waiver trade with any team for Washburn, so that probably ends that option.

    What happened to Aveces?

  21. steve August 5th, 2008 at 12:34 am

    use marte only as the lefty specialist

    use veras as the SU man.

  22. Al from BK(The season is over) August 5th, 2008 at 12:34 am

    This season had fail written all over it when Wanger went down on to 09! Here are some of my observations on the 08 season: Jeter looks absolutely done, Who plays first next year Giambi is gone, CC is now a must for next year simply to provide depth.

  23. mel August 5th, 2008 at 12:35 am

    GB7,

    I know that in manager school, that’s what they tell you to do. But our bullpen had gotten so adept at getting out lefties and righties no matter which arm they throw with. It wasn’t even the heart of the lineup. And to add insult to insult, Murphy hits a triple!

    The toy needs to be put back in the box and brought to play with when we face Papi.

    Just kidding, Damaso needs to rest his wing and psyche and get back on the horse. In shorter spurts please!

  24. 34hughes August 5th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    remember joba was injury prone through his college career and might again now we could have two injury prone pitchers

  25. S.A.-I still believe in this team and please let Joba be alright!! August 5th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    Damaso Proctor’s 42nd pitch.

    haha ugh :(

    Anyways, they need to be careful with Joba. No matter what.

    While they are being careful with him, this team still has to find a way to win games.
    The season isn’t over, this is just another crappy bump this team has to overcome.

    So what options do they have. Kennedy? Aceves? Bring us Livan??
    Hughes isn’t ready yet.

  26. j August 5th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    well they still have 50 games to prove their worth, injuries or no injuries. Time will tell if the yanks go out to the new ballpark as winners, or as disappointments.

  27. Al from BK(The season is over) August 5th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    It is really sad that when the Yanks play that final game at the stadium they will be 10 games out of both races, what a terrible shame.

  28. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) PLEASE TAKE PAVANO'S ARM INSTEAD !!! August 5th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    PHIL STAY HEALTHY !

  29. back bench August 5th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    As I posted some time ago, the Yankees will be in the PS because both the RS and TB will let us in.

    I’m a charter member of Rebecca’s Optimist Prime club, so that is the best card i have to play right now.

  30. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) PLEASE TAKE PAVANO'S ARM INSTEAD !!! August 5th, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Hughes is weeks away. You can’t rush him.

    He’s in AAA right now and Nardi expects him up soon.

  31. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Season’s not over till it’s over.

    Don’t forget what the Phillies did last year without a pitching staff of any sort, or the Rockies.

    I’m not saying it will be easy or even that it’s realistic.

    I’m just sayin it’s not impossible.

    Though, if I’m the Yankees, I boycott the state of texas from now on.

  32. 34hughes August 5th, 2008 at 12:38 am

    im not talking about next start man

  33. Al from BK(The season is over) August 5th, 2008 at 12:39 am

    Hughes coming off broken rob wont even be back til late late August. Hughes and Joba might come back for September or they might not. But seriously we are all adults here and this season is done, now I can concentrate solely on the NFL come September.

  34. Phil August 5th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    Wang was also hurt in Texas.

    I think Joba might not be too bad. They lest us see him and his arm wasn’t imobilized or even being iced. He didn’t seem anguished at all. Could just be that front deltoid thing I sometimes get at the gym.

  35. S.A.-Please let Joba be alright! We need you back soon Phil Hughes. August 5th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    I hate Texas.

  36. Buddy Biancalana August 5th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Plenty of time to get a starter through waivers.

  37. David Cone's Labrum August 5th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Hughes likely needs 3 more starts to get his count up near 90, which would put him 15-20 days away from a ML start?

  38. Noonan August 5th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    I think Kennedy should be the guy. He’s pitched well in AAA, and he appears to be at full-strength.

  39. Scared of the Wall August 5th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    “Joe Girardi said that at the very least, Chamberlain would miss his next start. The last time he said that about a starter was Chien-Ming Wang.”

    Is that dig at Girardi really necessary? Joba said his velocity was fine and that “it doesn’t hurt in the wrong places.” Let’s wait to see the test results before jumping to conclusions about Girardi hiding injuries from the media.

  40. 34hughes August 5th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    if kennedy comes up he better pitch on saturday

  41. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) PLEASE TAKE PAVANO'S ARM INSTEAD !!! August 5th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    other news Cervelli is now going to Trenton.

    We[Chad Jennings and Nardi] also spent some time discussing Mark Melancon, who might be the*most intriguing*pitcher — starter or reliever — in the organization. “He’s a different breed,” Contreras said.

    As I wrote earlier, Melancon will pitch one more time in a controlled situation, but after that, he’ll be free to come into the middle of an inning and*try to escape a jam. Initially, Melancon won’t go back-to-back days*while he’s doing that, but Contreras said we might see Melancon go back-to-back after seeing how he adjusts to those mid-inning appearances. A call-up to New York, Contreras said, is strictly Brian Cashman’s*call.

    The innings, Contreras admitted, are a bit high for this point in the season, but “his innings are not abusive innings.”

    “He’s got a lot of innings, but they’re controlled innings,”*Contreras said. “He doesn’t get dry humped. If he gets up (in the bullpen) he’s in the game.”

    I asked what kind of formula the Yankees are using to monitor Melancon’s work load, because it clearly goes beyond total innings. Contreras just kind of nodded and smiled.

    “I know every pitch he’s thrown,” he said.

    Melancon to NY is now Cashman’s decision

  42. Red Stater August 5th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Yankee fan and damn proud Red Stater Rebecca.

  43. E-Man August 5th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    “He’s in AAA right now and Nardi expects him up soon.”

    No. AA is what they said pre game. His last start was at A a few days ago. He needs at least 2 or 3 more starts to get up to 100 pitch count. Right now he would not help this team.

  44. PJH August 5th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Honestly, I was not too worried because it was like Hughes or Wang’s injury. It seemed more gradually on setting then a sudden pull. Thats usually how a rotator cuffs and labrums are strained/torn. As long as its not labrum/rotator cuff related, Joba will be fine. Besides, if it were I doubt he would have been hitting 96 on the gun. You would know if he blow his shoulder out.

  45. David Cone's Labrum August 5th, 2008 at 12:44 am

    WC race is still anyone’s grab – Twinkies down now 9-6 to those feisty Mariners ;)

  46. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) PLEASE TAKE PAVANO'S ARM INSTEAD !!! August 5th, 2008 at 12:44 am

    E-Man Hughes is in Scranton. Carl who the hell knows is in Trenton.

  47. PJH August 5th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    IPK is in Scranton or AAA.

  48. mel August 5th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    I’m really enjoying the collapse by Minny in Seattle. Down 6-1, Seattle plates 6 runs and still going.

    Update: Now it’s 9-6 Seattle.

  49. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    “He’s got a lot of innings, but they’re controlled innings,”*Contreras said. “He doesn’t get dry humped. If he gets up (in the bullpen) he’s in the game.”

    That just sounds…so wrong.

    Red Stater: I’m just pissed that that state has taken three of our best pitchers from us! Nothing personal.

  50. David Cone's Labrum August 5th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    E-man – Hughes is in Scranton. Drove up with Shelley.

    Shelly homered tonight, BTW.

  51. Wes August 5th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Hey Al from BK … we get it, the season is over… now you can go concentrate on football and stop posting here…

  52. No August 5th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    He called him Damaso Proctor. Hahahahaha.

  53. S.A.-Please let Joba be alright! We need you back soon Phil Hughes. August 5th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Hughes is in AAA now

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/

    Phil made his way to Scranton last night, and he will slot into the Class AAA rotation this week. (He drove up with Shelley Duncan, who’s back in Scranton after a quick rehab for his separated shoulder in Tampa.) I can’t imagine Phil would need more than two starts until he’s ready. That could mean the end of the Sidney Ponson Era, Part 2, although Ponson has done a good job.

  54. Nick in SF August 5th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    I can’t believe Rebecca has gotten all political…

    :::weeps:::

  55. mel August 5th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Rebecca,

    As a former citizen of the great state of Texas and a fan of the color “red”, I have to say I’m mildly insulted. :)

  56. Mattingly's Bat August 5th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Now’s the time to try and get something out of Pavano. His arm belongs to someone else next year anyhow.

  57. Joe NY August 5th, 2008 at 12:48 am

    Good job by Miller Huggins ahh I mean Girardi pitching Veras yesterday in a 14-9 game.

  58. Nick in SF August 5th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    Meanwhile, Ibanez up with a chance to hit a grand slam twice in the same inning, oooooooh

  59. RSM August 5th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    Aceves, Hughes & that Pavano guy are not ready as they are all still working their way back from injuries.

    Cashman & Girardi, justifiably, seem to think IPK needs some more seasoning in AAA.

    Assuming Joba misses some time, they may use Giese and Rasner. If they really want Rasner out, the most likely call up would be Chase Wright. Hold on tight!

    Moose, Pettitte, Ponson, Giese, and Rasner/Wright. I’m really not trying to be negative, but that’s not exactly the rotation we need to win 2/3 games for the rest of the season to get into the playoffs.

  60. T D August 5th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    There goes Rebecca again. Being her charming self.

    LOL.

  61. Nick in SF August 5th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    Weak! Only a 2-rbi single.

  62. E-Man August 5th, 2008 at 12:50 am

    “E-Man Hughes is in Scranton. Carl who the hell knows is in Trenton.”

    Ok. Well he still has to build up his arm strength down there.

    And who cares about Pavano? He’ll find some way not to pitch. For all we know he’s still hurt.

  63. T D August 5th, 2008 at 12:50 am

    Without Joba and the offense being average and no Wang we can pretty much kiss 2008 goodbye.

    Unless you think IPK, Pavano, Giese, Rasner, etc can do it.

  64. Lager August 5th, 2008 at 12:51 am

    Don’t bring up Pavano.

    It’ll make this pain worse for everyone.

  65. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 12:51 am

    Nick and Mel: You guys don’t know me very well :-P

    It’s a small miracle I’ve managed to keep my politics off the blog, for the most part.

  66. ian Nobody August 5th, 2008 at 12:51 am

    ahaha “concentrate on football” what the hell does that even mean?

  67. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) PLEASE TAKE PAVANO'S ARM INSTEAD !!! August 5th, 2008 at 12:52 am

    Ok. Well he still has to build up his arm strength down there.

    He hit high 90′s in his last start, right now it’s on control.

  68. Hybrid Moments August 5th, 2008 at 12:52 am

    What Peter neglects to report is that Joba and Girardi both think its just muscular. But of course Peter is setting up a scenario where he can say “TOLD YA SO”.

  69. Thrillington August 5th, 2008 at 12:53 am

    Rebecca and I share political views, but that is personal opinion and not the matter at hand

    Otherwise, Texas is AN AMAZING state. Drop dead gorgeous. Big Bend National Park is one of my favorite places on earth and the drive along the south going from East to West is terrific. And the people I’ve met there are pretty wonderful.

    Just bum luck/coincidence that Hughes and Chamberlain got injuries there. It’s the way the chips land and we all knew Joba had shoulder problems before. He’s been brilliant in the rotation, but I am going to feel really awful if it turns out he was over-taxed and rushed. Really shows that the current administration under Cashman is still really too early on to evaluate the moves and non-moves they’ve made. Personally, I am on the fence. I think if Joba goes down for a long period of time (read: rest of season, into next) and it’s because he was not ready to handle the innings, you’ve got to hold player development and the GM responsible.

    Yeah, getting Abreu was nice, as was Marte and Nady but I fail to see evidence of Cashman’s brilliance just yet.

  70. mel August 5th, 2008 at 12:53 am

    Stupid Willie Bloomquist spoiling the fun by getting greedy. 2 guys had already scored in front of him on Ibanez’s single. What a party pooper.

  71. Jorge Tabata August 5th, 2008 at 12:53 am

    So Giese, Veras, Rivera were not available.

    And our starter only went 4.2 innings.

    We were doomed from the start. Robertson was our last available BP arm… he would have to take one for the team if this game went 11-12 innings, like Heilman did last week.

  72. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 12:53 am

    Hybird, a pulled Hammy is ‘just muscular’.

  73. RSM August 5th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    “Without Joba and the offense being average and no Wang we can pretty much kiss 2008 goodbye.
    Unless you think IPK, Pavano, Giese, Rasner, etc can do it.”

    I agree, but it’s so hard to accept. Wang going down was huge, but Joba is the nail in the coffin.

  74. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) PLEASE TAKE PAVANO'S ARM INSTEAD !!! August 5th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    Sweeney said Joba would have still been on that mound had Girardi and Eiland not spoted him shaking his arm. They believe he’ll miss 1 start again GOD PLEASE TAKE PAVANO’S ARM INSTEAD AND LEAVE JOBA ALONE ! :x

  75. peterson August 5th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    Well, 2008 was a fun year. We were in 3rd and treading water with Joba.

    No way he throws another pitch this year.

  76. Pat M. August 5th, 2008 at 12:55 am

    Well I’ve been saying all night,,,Joba is fine….I’n not so sure he misses a start, if so it’s very precautionary

  77. E-Man August 5th, 2008 at 12:55 am

    “He hit high 90’s in his last start, right now it’s on control.”

    By arm strength I mean pitch count. He only threw 54 pitches his last start. He’s schedule for 65-70 the next one. So you have to figure it’s at least 3 more starts down there.

  78. Redding August 5th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Marte = Felix Heredia?

  79. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Thrillington: You’re forgetting Wang ;)

    I’ve never been to Texas, and I’d go visit the Alamo if not for my phobia of thunderstorms that generally keeps me from anywhere west of the appalachains and east of the rockies.

  80. rickshaw August 5th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    You honestly cannot believe Hughes was throwing in the high 90′s.

  81. Yazman (David) August 5th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Tyler Kepner said today:

    “Phil made his way to Scranton last night, and he will slot into the Class AAA rotation this week… I can’t imagine Phil would need more than two starts until he’s ready.”

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....rm-sights/

    That sounds like he could be 11-14 days away from an MLB start IF everything goes perfectly.

  82. Nick in SF August 5th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    So we have a mystery injury that may have been the result of falling down and suddenly it’s Cashman’s fault?

  83. Ted NY August 5th, 2008 at 12:57 am

    Marte has now lost 2 games for us.

    He equals out the X factor.

  84. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 12:57 am

    Christ Neal, it was a bad joke. Get over it.

  85. steve August 5th, 2008 at 12:57 am

    bruney looked good

  86. eric August 5th, 2008 at 12:57 am

    how funny would it be if pavano got a start. ya gotta admit itd be sorta hilarious at this point- and the way the seasons gone he’d prolly toss 6 shut out innings.

  87. eric August 5th, 2008 at 12:58 am

    wow- K-Rod just blew a 4 run lead with 2 outs in the 9th

  88. Ted NY August 5th, 2008 at 12:58 am

    This team was done when Wang got hurt. Texas ain’t fun for pitchers.

    The offense has been totally average.

    We got a black hole Zero in CF.
    A 2b with a 300 OBP

    No Posada. No Matsui. A-Rod missed a month. Giambi is streak personified.

    The bench is awful. No high end position player talent in the minors.

  89. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) PLEASE TAKE PAVANO'S ARM INSTEAD !!! August 5th, 2008 at 12:58 am

    You honestly cannot believe Hughes was throwing in the high 90’s.

    Nardi wouldn’t lie about that.

  90. Nick in SF August 5th, 2008 at 12:59 am

    K-Rod blows the save. Well how about that.

    Gotta love unfamiliar names posting on here about the season being over and Joba being amputated and insulting a HOF poster. Yeesh.

  91. RSM August 5th, 2008 at 12:59 am

    Thrillington,

    I think you are being a little unfair here. How could the team have possibly been more cautious with Joba?

  92. Ott August 5th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    The Yanks will shut him down for sure.

    Now lets see if Kennedy can finally handle some pressure.

  93. Yazman (David) August 5th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    IPK pitched another excellent game last night. 2 ER, 6 hits, 1 BB and 6 Ks in 7 innings. That’s his WORST start of the last 4. IPK’s ready to pitch by 8/8 if needed…

    Kei Igawa (!) pitched another great game tonight too!

  94. rickshaw August 5th, 2008 at 1:01 am

    “Nardi wouldn’t lie about that.”

    Hughes DOES NOT THROW HIGH 90′S.

    Have you been blind the past 3 years?

  95. Thrillington August 5th, 2008 at 1:01 am

    Wow, Rebecca, I totally forgot Wang was injured in Texas. They should only pitch Pavano in Texas.

  96. Jim S August 5th, 2008 at 1:01 am

    Is there such a thing as a HOF poster? Well, OK then. HOF poster. HOF poster. Where is that buiding?

  97. rickshaw August 5th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Kennedy is the best AAA pitcher we got.

    He is not a major league pitcher yet.

  98. RSM August 5th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    “Kei Igawa (!) pitched another great game tonight too!”

    OMG, I actually forgot about him. LOL!

  99. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Well, it’s nice to see that PA has somebody new to take shots at. It must have been gnawing at his gut (though, apparantly not enough). I suppose that it never occured to him and the whiners that not everybody is on every night. Hopefully, he’ll be able to find a replacement target after Marte’s next game.

  100. Jan August 5th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Great way to start off a 10 game road trip against 3 possible playoff teams.

  101. Pat M. August 5th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Hughes will have 2 starts in Scranton, then it’s on to the Bronx…Kennedy could be on his way, one start sooner than expected……

  102. mark August 5th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Ironically, this Nady/Marte trade might be similar to the Nady/Roberto Hernandez and Perez trade.

    We all thought Marte was the fruit of the trade and gave us a legit 8th inning option and the lefty we’ve been dying for and Nady was a stop gap guy and a 8-9 hitter that could hit righties.

    Just like Mets fans thought Roberto Hernandez was Sanchez’ replacement in the pen and Perez was an extra arm.

    Now Nady looks like a legit player and a long term answer for us, hes been clutch and a professional hitter with RISP, like a righty Matsui. Wheras Marte looks like a bust and a guy who will not be here long.

  103. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) PLEASE TAKE PAVANO'S ARM INSTEAD !!! August 5th, 2008 at 1:03 am

    Hughes DOES NOT THROW HIGH 90′S.

    I’ll take the word of scouts that had radar guns at the game over yours thank you. Anyway we’ll find out on Thursday.

  104. T D August 5th, 2008 at 1:03 am

    “Well, it’s nice to see that PA has somebody new to take shots at. It must have been gnawing at his gut (though, apparantly not enough). I suppose that it never occured to him and the whiners that not everybody is on every night. Hopefully, he’ll be able to find a replacement target after Marte’s next game.”

    Marte should get a pass, why???

  105. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 1:03 am

    Thrillington: Wouldn’t get any complaints from me.

  106. JD August 5th, 2008 at 1:04 am

    Maybe kennedy?

    But is it me…or does girardi not seem to really care for IPK right now. Maybe there just being cautious but it doesn’t seem like they trust him enouhh to bring him back.

    I also read somewhere about himnot being where he was last year in AAA

  107. E-Man August 5th, 2008 at 1:04 am

    “Hughes will have 2 starts in Scranton, then it’s on to the Bronx…Kennedy could be on his way, one start sooner than expected……”

    It looks like we might just live by the sword and die by the sword this season.

  108. rickshaw August 5th, 2008 at 1:05 am

    You are a moron if you think that Hughes now throws in the upper 90′s.

  109. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 1:06 am

    And Francisci Rodriguez blows another save for the angels. Damned…I guess it does happen to other teams besides the Yankees.

  110. mel August 5th, 2008 at 1:06 am

    LOL. K-rod cleaned up Shields’ mess alright.

    GB7,

    Pshaw. PA has no power. The blog has the power. We railed all DAY long about dropping Giambi in the order. And what does he do? Responds. I swear, he must be reading. Maybe he’s Francis the Praying Mantis?

    I just heard that they had to edit the postgame interview with him. Kim Jones asked Big G, “WTF didn’t you shave it 2 weeks ago?”

  111. Matt August 5th, 2008 at 1:06 am

    No team loses two aces and wins except for Fresno State.

  112. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 1:06 am

    Well, E-man, if they need a sword, I got a couple they can borrow.

  113. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 1:06 am

    ***Francisco***

  114. abe August 5th, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Reading Tyler’s article, Joba at least doesn’t sound too depressed. I think that’s a good sign. Still, we might need to bring up IPK earlier than Cashman (or I for that matter) had hoped.

  115. Winslow August 5th, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Worst loss of the yr.

  116. RSM August 5th, 2008 at 1:07 am

    You know, after all the disappointment associated with Hughes and IPK at the beginning of the season, it would really be terrific if they came back and pitched great. That could literally save the season. Is that possible, or am I just getting overtired?

  117. george August 5th, 2008 at 1:08 am

    i thought it was a bad move to leave Marte in. however, the “Damaso Proctor” comment by Pete is silly. Girardi has not burned people’s arms out, he’s distributed the load.

  118. sun spots August 5th, 2008 at 1:08 am

    Giese-Kennedy on Fri and Sat.

    OUCH.

  119. E-Man August 5th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    “Marte should get a pass, why???”

    Because it was little obivous after he walked the bases loaded that he had absolutely nothing.

    It happens to every pitcher. There are going to be days where nothing works. How can you fault him? It’s the managers job to realize it and make a move.

  120. Andrew August 5th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    Damaso Farnsworth.

  121. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    RSM: You’re not getting overtired; you’re thinking storybook.

  122. back bench August 5th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    I’m rooting for anyone that can step up and win games for the Yankees in these ‘dog days’ of August. And if that includes names like Pavano and Wright, so be it.

    Yankee Stadium deserves PS play in its final year, regardless of past performances (or lack thereof).

    The RS and TB are as ‘gassed’ as we are. But we have fresh arms coming to help and they don’t. This is going to be a foot race and guess what folks, we’re in. Mark the tape.

  123. Nick in SF August 5th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    If our rotation ends up being Hughes, Kennedy, Pavano, Ponson, Igawa, then we’re winning the World Series.

    The Freak Show World Series, that is.

  124. Thrillington August 5th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    I hope this is not the Marte we received in the trade. It’s like all the bullpen guys we get—Witasick, Quantrill, Heredia,etc.—come to the Yanks and become the not-so-super-hero known as the Run Fairy, giving runs to all the boys and girls who ask for them.

  125. T D August 5th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    You don’t get pitchers like Marte and give them passes in a tie game on the road. Walking 3 guys is unforgivable.

    Marte is not a big city kind of pitcher. We are witnessing that.

  126. E-Man August 5th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    “Well, E-man, if they need a sword, I got a couple they can borrow.”

    Nice.

  127. peterson August 5th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    How can you pass the Sox when you got one starter who can give u 7 every night? Maybe 2 if you count Mussina.

    You got 3 starters who maybe, who might be able to get you 18 outs. Tops.

    Face it. We are cooked.

  128. mel August 5th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    GB7,

    LOL.

    Sigh. Sherril walks Mathis to load the bases for Figgins.

  129. fred from jersey August 5th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    “Good job by Miller Huggins ahh I mean Girardi pitching Veras yesterday in a 14-9 game.”

    youre an idiot.

  130. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 1:14 am

    If our rotation ends up being Hughes, Kennedy, Pavano, Ponson, Igawa, then we’re winning the World Series.

    What about Moose?!

    E-Man: I’m a medieval history student; I collect them. Have two broadswords, light sword, a civil war sword and a practice sword.

    TD: Marte was gassed from throwing so many pitches. He’s not a long reliever. Part of the blame has got to go to Girardi.

  131. mel August 5th, 2008 at 1:14 am

    Yucky poo, Sherrill.

  132. Tank August 5th, 2008 at 1:15 am

    Does not even come close to Proctor abuse.

    This year alone, Torre has used Proctor for 40+ pitches 3 times…. in a 6-1 loss at Atlanta, a 7-1 loss vs. Houston, and a 12-7 loss at Detroit.

    Last year, Torre had him throw 47 pitches in an extra inning game vs. Washington and in 2006, he threw 54 pitches in a loss at Minnesota.

  133. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 1:15 am

    peterson, have you seen what Moose has done this season?

  134. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) PLEASE TAKE PAVANO'S ARM INSTEAD !!! August 5th, 2008 at 1:16 am

    Chase Wright has been pitching more than well to merit a ML promotion, Ian Kennedy also has done very well OH BOY our SP takes a knock if something happens to Joba …

  135. Nick in SF August 5th, 2008 at 1:17 am

    Rebecca, I believe Moose and Pettitte have to pitch games in Texas too.

    Ponson is immune.

  136. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 1:17 am

    gotta love (and by love, i mean hate) the irony of the fact that the new yankees philosophy is not to “take chances” on signing free agent pitchers because too much can go wrong, but here we are with hughes and kennedy already having been complete disappointments and joba headed for the DL. turns out one proposition isn’t much less a risk than the other, it’s just less expensive.

    there’s reason to be optimistic if joba’s not done for the year. if they shut him down, it’s going to be AWFULLY difficult for the yankees to make any serious noise the next two months. hughes? kennedy? we saw what they could do earlier this season. if memory serves, it wasn’t overwhelming. pavano? igawa? i’d say “you’re kidding,” but that’s not even funny.

    you don’t replace what joba was giving this team at this point in the season. sorry. if he’s done, in all likelihood, so are they.

    what a drag.

  137. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 1:18 am

    Mel, that’s something rare for Marte and Sherrill. You almost never see them walk batters, much less, three in an inning.

  138. steve August 5th, 2008 at 1:19 am

    this should be the rotation

    pettitte
    mussina
    pavano
    zombrano
    ponson

  139. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    In 1996, didn’t we lose most of our rotation at one time or another?

    Just wondering. I was only 10 at the time and my memory’s fuzzy.

  140. RSM August 5th, 2008 at 1:21 am

    Rebecca,
    I may be thinking storybook because I am desperately trying to avoid admitting this season is over so early. After the 1996 WS I swore I’d never write this team off again until they were mathematically eliminated. Unfortunately, I have been very pessimistic since Wang’s injury. Losing Joba may be our death knell. This year has just been disappointing and frustrating all season. Something positive would be welcomed. Could Hughes or IPK could be that ray of sunshine? I guess we’ll see.

  141. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 1:22 am

    Looks like Dr. Gloom and Doom (Kasey) has found his way home. I knew there was a whiner missing among the clowns.

  142. mel August 5th, 2008 at 1:23 am

    GB7,

    Lot of freakish stuff happening tonight. Big innings and blown saves.

    The Yankees got the worst of it having insults added to injury.

    Well, I don’t think the season’s over yet.

    Anyone know the timeline of tonight’s injury? When did it happen? Did Joba come right out? Was he in obvious pain?

    Someone mentioned Rasner getting a start against the Angels. I thought he was being replaced by Giese?

  143. j August 5th, 2008 at 1:23 am

    96 we had a dominate pettite, and a mediocre keys, cone and rogers

  144. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 1:23 am

    rebecca,

    in 1996, the yankees weren’t staring down the prospect of having to chase two teams for a postseason berth without their two best pitchers. so, no. you’re not remembering that correctly.

  145. Nick in SF August 5th, 2008 at 1:25 am

    Kasey, is your memory of what Hughes and Kennedy can do strictly limited to the 2008 season?

  146. Hughes dynasty August 5th, 2008 at 1:25 am

    Season is over.

    Bring up Jackson, Tabata, McCutchen, Miranda, and Melancon.

  147. j August 5th, 2008 at 1:26 am

    we might see jackson when the rosters expand

  148. mel August 5th, 2008 at 1:26 am

    RSM,

    I had similar thoughts about the karmic irony.

    IPK and Hughes came up huge down the stretch last season. I think they could do it again.

    IPK was not on the post-season roster because of a pulled back muscle. How different that series could have turned out, huh?

    I’m very psyched about Hughes. Not only physically, but I think he had some regrets about how he pitched when he came up. Not being aggressive and what not. He knows these chances won’t present themselves often and I bet he’ll grab the brass ring.

  149. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 1:26 am

    greenberet,

    are you willing to tell me you think this team can make a serious run without joba and wang, and without hughes for another two weeks? with an offense that has not delivered on its potential yet this season?

    really? it’d be nothing short of a miracle.

  150. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 1:27 am

    Rebecca, in 1996, the only starter NYY lost was Cone. However Pettitte led in starts and it was Key and Rogers that made 30 starts, and Gooden made 29. Every other spot was pieced together.

  151. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 1:27 am

    Kasey: Like I said, I was 10.

    I’m allowed to have a fuzzy memory of something that happened when I was 10.

  152. mel August 5th, 2008 at 1:28 am

    kasey,

    We have a new superhero, X-man, and his sidekick, Super G. :)

    Have faith. These are the Yankees, they never give up.

  153. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 1:28 am

    kasey: If there’s ever a season for Yankee miracles, this has got to be it.

  154. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 1:28 am

    nick,

    no, hughes was great until he got injured. and then he was pretty mediocre. until he got injured. hopefully this time he’ll help them out, but assuming he’ll be able to replicate what joba’s given them is a stretch, to say the least.

    kennedy was fine, but count me among those who don’t think he’ll amount to much at this level. if he does, great.

  155. RSM August 5th, 2008 at 1:29 am

    “Season is over.
    Bring up Jackson, Tabata, McCutchen, Miranda, and Melancon”

    Will Pittsburgh allow us to bring up Tabata? I don’t have all the rules memorized, but I’m not sure that we could bring up their player.

  156. Nick in SF August 5th, 2008 at 1:30 am

    I’ll be really surprised if the Yanks bring Tabata up!

  157. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 1:30 am

    rebecca,

    yeah, a miracle finish would certainly be a better way to say goodbye to the stadium than an unceremonious lurch towards the finish line in third place.

  158. NYY August 5th, 2008 at 1:31 am

    Rebecca,

    If u r 10 in 1996..u must be 22-23 Years old then.

  159. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *18) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) PLEASE TAKE PAVANO'S ARM INSTEAD !!! August 5th, 2008 at 1:31 am

    I hope McCutchen is ready

  160. mel August 5th, 2008 at 1:31 am

    So my son tells me today. “Did you know that some guy threw a no-hitter on acid? And the guy who invented DNA was tripping on PSP?”

    And your point is?

  161. Mattingly's Bat August 5th, 2008 at 1:31 am

    When did it happen? 5th inning
    Did Joba come right out? yes
    Was he in obvious pain? no

  162. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 1:32 am

    Dr. Gloom, instead of putting Chamberlain on the 60 day DL before the real doctors ((not blog doctors like yourself) check him out. Your fingers must be sore from your constant handwringing.

  163. S.A.-Please let Joba be alright! We need you back soon Phil Hughes. August 5th, 2008 at 1:32 am

    Why don’t we find out what really is going on with Joba before we declare the season over. Would that be too hard?

    Or I guess declaring that this team has no hope and is done is what some would rather do? :?

  164. mel August 5th, 2008 at 1:33 am

    Mattingly,

    Thanks. Did it happen on a play or did he just not feel right?

  165. RSM August 5th, 2008 at 1:34 am

    While Pittsburgh is loaning us Tabata and McCutchen, maybe they’ll throw in Karstens for a start or two until Joba is back?

  166. ANSKY August 5th, 2008 at 1:34 am

    When does Ponson pitch against Texas? He should be ‘pretty well hydrated’ in preparation for the heat. ;)

  167. S.A.-Please let Joba be alright! We need you back soon Phil Hughes. August 5th, 2008 at 1:35 am

    Bring up Jackson, Tabata, McCutchen, Miranda, and Melancon.

    I didn’t realize we magically got them back from the Pirates. Oh I bet that sneaky Cashman kidnapped them.

  168. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 1:36 am

    “Dr. Gloom, instead of putting Chamberlain on the 60 day DL before the real doctors ((not blog doctors like yourself) check him out.”

    first of all, your sentence is constructed so poorly that it makes no sense. instead of putting him on the DL, i should do what? you’ll want to throw a second half on that bad boy, maybe.

    secondly, i said if (IF) he’s done, they’re done. i did not say he was done. but, as most everyone with an iota of knowledge about the situation has observed, the yankees will likely be incredibly careful with joba, given they’re currently a third place team and he is the future of the organization. so, in all likelihood, he’s headed to the DL. if that’s not the case, great. see how all of those sentences are relatively complete? give it a shot next time and i won’t have to guess at your “point.”

  169. Nick in SF August 5th, 2008 at 1:36 am

    Under the new rules, can Washburn give us a spot start without actually being acquired?

  170. mel August 5th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    S.A.,

    Actually the trade never happened. It’s too good to be true.

    Nady has not hit 4 HR in 30 AB after starting 1 for 11.

  171. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    The Yanks have been staring down both barrels of a loaded shotgun since the start of 2004 because of injuries and have made the playoffs each year. Name another team that can claim that. They’re still in the division title run and they’ll make it closer, yet. Whine and cry all you want, Dr. G&D, that’s what you do best. Me, I see that things could be worse, so, I’ll just keep faith with the team and wait it out.

  172. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 5th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    I don’t think this is that bad. I have no medical expertise whatsoever, but I’m not nearly as worried about this one as I was with Wang or Hughes last year. Both of those guys were clearly in a lot of pain when they left the field. Joba was prodding at the front of his shoulder. I know that reactions on the field are not always indicative of the seriousness of the injury (think Pavano getting beaned in the head with Mora’s liner or Karstens pitching with a broken leg), but I’m holding out hope that a one or two starts off will do the trick.

    There’s something about this season. I don’t know if the injuries will finally overcome this season and the season will end in disapointment, or if Xavier Nady will do his best David Justice impression and drag us into the postseason, where we pull a 2006 Cardinals and win the damn thing. Either way, this isn’t another one and done playoff year. Either we don’t make it, or we’re winning the damn trophy. It’s just that kind of year.

  173. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 1:40 am

    it’s so odd that the people on this board, by and large, seem to possess at least a cursory grasp of the english language and yet 9/10 of them seem to have absolutely no understanding of the meaning of the word “if.”

    puzzling.

  174. Phil August 5th, 2008 at 1:41 am

    This should be a crazy finish to the season. At some point the Yankee O will start blugeoning their way into the postseason. Giambi has finally reheated…

  175. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 5th, 2008 at 1:41 am

    By the way, that game with Pavano against Baltimore, where he took a liner off the head and just walked around like he was fine, was probably his toughest moment as a Yankee. He was pulled, of course. And I think he strained something a few starts later.

  176. S.A.-Please let Joba be alright! We need you back soon Phil Hughes. August 5th, 2008 at 1:44 am

    lol mel. Nady had just been a dream.

    Anyway, tomorrow..er today will be interesting.
    I’m expecting “Joba Injury Watch 2008/The season is over, Run to the hills” day.

    Move over Brett Favre. ;)

  177. JD August 5th, 2008 at 1:45 am

    “kennedy was fine, but count me among those who don’t think he’ll amount to much at this level. if he does, great.”

    Thats what ppl said about Mussina too but look at him now

  178. steve August 5th, 2008 at 1:45 am

    is nady our ryan church

  179. Nick in SF August 5th, 2008 at 1:46 am

    Ah kasey, the dullards of LoHud have let you down yet again.

    If only we could do better…

  180. Jorge Tabata August 5th, 2008 at 1:49 am

    Nice of the Pirates GM to let us borrow our former farmhands to help the stretch run.

  181. stuart August 5th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    I missed all the happenings tonight. .Joba cannot be good. If he is out the season is over.. a rotation of pettitte, moose, and bums has zero chance with this offense..

    2 on zero out 2 and 0 count on dumbo(cano) what does he do swings and flys out to left.

    I will say it for the millionth time trying to be a hero does not work………Cano just is clueless. On his out in the 2nd or 1st I forget to right, decent hit ball the guy did not run watch the replay…

  182. Mattingly's Bat August 5th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    Joba’s postgame interview is up on yesnetwork.com if you want to see it. Many here sound more concerned than he does.

  183. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 5th, 2008 at 1:52 am

    NYY: I’m 22. I didn’t realize this was an issue.

  184. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 1:52 am

    funny, nick.

    i’m just saying, i’m pretty liberal with my use of the word IF. people oughta look for it in my posts.

    no reason to declare the season over. but IF joba’s done, then they’re going to have a very tough time filling that void, no matter who they plug into that spot.

    because even IF the offense does slug its way to a playoff berth (and given that we’re now at the 112 game mark and they have yet to display anything remotely resembling consistency, that’s a stretch), the yankees will still need something a bit better than pettitte-moose-hughes in october. unless hughes’ performance at the beginning of the year was a fluke and that injury really hampered him.

    bottom line, IF they lost joba, he’s irreplaceable. IF.

    IF.

  185. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 1:53 am

    Actually, Dr. G&D, you never said “If”. You said “can’t make a run now without Joba and Wang”. at 1:26 AM and you put him on the dL at 1:17 AM. Care to try it again?

  186. Back Bench August 5th, 2008 at 1:53 am

    Please note that the RS lost to KC on the road, continuing their stellar away performance. KC.

    And Tampa lost at home to Cleveland. Maybe the magic kingdom down there is showing some wear and tear.

    This season is not over by any means. It may not be pretty, but all three teams are going to be relying on their 2nd/3rd tier SPs and IMO, ours are better. How many games out were we at this time last year?

  187. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 1:58 am

    “there’s reason to be optimistic if joba’s not done for the year. if they shut him down, it’s going to be AWFULLY difficult for the yankees to make any serious noise the next two months.”

    that’s from my post at 1:17am. you’ll notice that the letters I and F combine to form the word “if” twice.

    my post at 1:26am was a question posed to you asking if you thought the team was capable of making a run without joba, which you never answered.

    like i said, if you read an entire post, rather than searching for stuff to bicker about, we’ll have a better shot at a conversation.

    we’re all bummed that joba’s hurt. it’s excellent that you choose to see the bright side. some of us aren’t looking at it that way. that’s also an acceptable viewpoint.

  188. mark August 5th, 2008 at 2:00 am

    this is from a poster on the yankees.com board -

    “I live in Orange County and hav been familiar with Gerrit Cole for the past two years. I have recently been informed that the Yankees have all but shut down talks with him. As you know, his agent is Scott Boras and they are asking for a $10 million signing bonus, marking the largest signing bonus in history. The Yankees have reportedly offered $4.7 million, as that is good even for a top 10 pick, let alone a 28 pick. When Boras and Cole wouldn’t budge, the Yankees apparently shut down talks. Apparently now Cole is going to Santa Ana Junior College for a year, as this would make him eligible for next years draft. I hope this story isn’t exact, as Cole has a very high ceiling with his velocity. But knowing him and his cocky ego, coupled with Boras, this could very well be completely true.”

    http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb.....#038;ctx=0

  189. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Dr. Gloom, go back and help your 3rd grade teacher correct the class papers. When I need help with my “sentence structure”, I’ll look for someone a Hell of a lot more intelligent than you.

  190. Jorge Tabata August 5th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    Joba’s next start was Saturday in Anaheim… who takes it? Kennedy?

  191. S.A.-Please let Joba be alright! We need you back soon Phil Hughes. August 5th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    How many games out were we at this time last year?

    Last year on Aug 5th, the Yanks were 61-50 and 7 games in back of the Red Sox(68-43) for the Division and 1/2 a game behind Detroit(61-49) for the WC (Seattle was also 1/2 a game behind Det)

  192. Pepitone August 5th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    Need to start talking about next year.

    IMO the following are the only untouchables:

    A Rodriguez (because of his ridiculous contract!)

    Hughes

    Chamberlain

    Pettite

    Posada (again because of stupid contract)

    Mo

    Veras

    Marte

    Nady

    Wang

    Everyone else is available!! Yeah, even Jeter and Cano.

  193. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 2:03 am

    Try posting all of it, instead of the parts that help you in your BS.

  194. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 2:06 am

    well, greenberet, you have certainly taken me down a peg or two. i’ll cry myself to sleep tonight, no doubt.

  195. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 2:06 am

    And, of course Pepitone forgets that, for starters, Jeter can’t be traded and, it’s not likely the Yanks will trade one of the top 3 2nd basemen in the ML, not to mention the second youngest position player on the team.

  196. stuart August 5th, 2008 at 2:07 am

    If Joba is out the yare done.. the likes of ponsons and assorted other drek will not triumph with this soft offense..

    5 runs against a crap pitching staff the offense did not do there job for the 40th time or so..

    solo jacks, 1 big hit a measly single by giambi..

    arod gave awayt 1 bat, I did not see the 5th inning on thank god….why was veras not available.. he pitched 1 inning yesterday….edwar threw 29 pitches yesterday so that cooked him….

    man things looked real good in the 4th inning or so, not now…

  197. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    It’s not really my fault that you’re an obnoxious jerk, Dr. Gloom. Perhaps you should blame your parents, as I’m sure everyone that knows you does.

  198. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 2:09 am

    greenberet,

    this is silly. you can post the parts of my post that support your argument, but i should post all of it, rather than the parts that support mine?

    i understand you’re upset about what happened tonight and you’d probably rather not think about the possible ramifications of chamberlain’s injury IF he is going to miss any significant amount of time. but there’s really not any reason to be this stubborn about your argument.

    i get it, dude. you don’t agree with my outlook on the situation. that’s fine. there are plenty of other posters – rebecca, angel, etc. – who express an optimistic viewpoint and do so without criticizing those who disagree.

    in the end, i’m pretty sure you and i would both love to see the yanks bounce back from this – whatever the situation with chamberlain may be.

  199. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 2:13 am

    “Perhaps you should blame your parents, as I’m sure everyone that knows you does.”

    this seems pretty unnecessary to me. i’ll go ahead and take credit for being an obnoxious jerk. no need to shift blame to my folks, who are both fine people.

    jeter can’t and won’t be traded. you have to think, after this season, cano isn’t as untouchable as he once was, though. however, if he could put it together for a full season, he’d be hands-down the best second baseman in baseball. right now, he’s not.

  200. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! August 5th, 2008 at 2:14 am

    Let’s all hope for the best regarding Joba…

    But even if we lose him for an extended period, it doesn’t necessarily mean the season is over…

    The Yankees are nothing if not resilient…

    At times this season we’ve been without the likes of Jeter, A-Rod, Posada, Matsui, Wang etc…

    We’re still without some of these key players…

    We’re also still in the race last time I checked the standings…

    We will overcome!!!!

    Let’s Go Yanks!!!!

  201. Dan Giese's Uncle August 5th, 2008 at 2:14 am

    I have a feeling that Phil Hughes is going to have a strong comeback..I’m sure it won’t all be pretty though.

  202. anaconda August 5th, 2008 at 2:16 am

    The more things change….

    There was a time when Pete only had roughly 10-20 posts per game thread back in the summer of 2006 and the funniest part is that kasey is exactly the same pessimist now that he was back then.

    There were a handful of us original LoHud regulars like me, kasey, and randyhater and kasey always had the very same arguments with us back then because everyone used to get on his case for it.

    Good to see you haven’t changed a bit, kasey. Funny stuff.

  203. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    The next positive post you make would be the first, just like the first time you don’t attempt to impress everyone with your “intelligence”, will also be your first.

  204. Wang IS Taiwan August 5th, 2008 at 2:18 am

    Rebecca,

    I ask you kindly not to use that kind of language to express yourself. (bad joke post)

    Thanks!

  205. mel August 5th, 2008 at 2:20 am

    GB7 & kasey,

    Uh. How old are you? You’re both better than this.

  206. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 2:21 am

    Anaconda, I just don’t see why a person would spend that much time and get such a thrill out of being a jerk to everyone on a message board. I imagine that it’s because he’s tried it in real life and found out that nobody could kick his azs on the internet.

  207. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 2:23 am

    Mel, I’m 19 years old, again. (3rd time around).

  208. mel August 5th, 2008 at 2:25 am

    GB7,

    That’s still a little too old to be bullying kids on the playground. :)

  209. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 2:26 am

    anaconda, do you post here much anymore? i don’t read a ton of the game threads, and i only post every few days, so if you’re around a bunch, i’ve missed you.

    it’s been pretty cool to watch pete’s blog develop over the last few seasons, and see it gain him some notoriety.

    and, yeah, it’s the same argument because i maintain the same viewpoint, i tend condescend people, and most people would rather jump at that than read my posts.

    i’d still much rather talk baseball than my parents’ role in shaping my obnoxiousness, but i suppose i brought it on myself by pointing out that greenberet’s sentence was making nothing resembling a point.

    so, yeah, the more things change…

    good to see you posting, though.

  210. back bench August 5th, 2008 at 2:30 am

    All right, here we are with 50 games left. Matsui, Wang, Posada – three very important players are out. Joba’s hurt – to what extent we don’t know. Offense has not been anywhere near last years mark. Lots of reasons to give up if you want to.

    But there is also good news – Nady, Moose, RS w/o Manny, and the chance that we will see a Yankee classic ending to the season with step up performances from IPK (OK, I’m rooting for him), Hughes and even Pavano.

    So simple yes or no answer – Call it – do the Yankees make the PS? Everyone remember their call and well see who had it right.

  211. chris August 5th, 2008 at 2:31 am

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  212. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 2:31 am

    greenberet,

    sorry i upset you with the hopeless negativism and sentence structure critique.

    at the end of the day, we’d both love to see the team win. it’ll be much more difficult for them to do IF joba’s going to miss a significant amount of time. i think we can probably agree there. if you honestly think they’ll be just fine without joba (IF he’s headed to the DL), i’d love to hear why, and i’d love for the explanation to extend beyond, “because they’re the yankees!”

  213. Jamie August 5th, 2008 at 2:31 am

    They really must hate Kennedy.It doesnt seem like they’re ready for him yet. What are they doing? waiting on hughes?

  214. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 2:31 am

    Momma….errr…Mel, I’m so ashamed.
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    Just wasn’t in the mood for the whiners and trolls tonight. I had a lousy treatment session here in Tampa today and have two more days to go. I want a large pizza and a 6 pack of cokes, but, can’t have either.

  215. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 2:33 am

    “So simple yes or no answer – Call it – do the Yankees make the PS? Everyone remember their call and well see who had it right.”

    IF joba’s done for the year, no.

    IF joba’s injury is minor and he’ll only miss a few weeks, yes.

    i think the rays will fade, but the wild card race will be tight.

  216. myrtlebeachfan August 5th, 2008 at 2:34 am

    Girardi said that at the WORST it would be one start and that he did not expect at all for it to be longer than one start.

    That was from footage of probably the same exact gathering of reporters that you were in Pete.

    Joba also said it’s basically nothing and that he feels just fine.

    I don’t know where the “almost certain he’ll go on the DL” stuff comes from.

    If there is nothing on the MRI, give him 7-8 days and have him start instead of ponson or rasner and then have Kennedy fill his spot.

    If the MRI reveals anything at all, then he’s shut down for 2-3 weeks

  217. Jamie August 5th, 2008 at 2:36 am

    Joba will back. I’d be suprised if it was more than one start

  218. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 2:37 am

    “August 5th, 2008 at 2:34 am
    Girardi said that at the WORST it would be one start and that he did not expect at all for it to be longer than one start.
    That was from footage of probably the same exact gathering of reporters that you were in Pete.
    Joba also said it’s basically nothing and that he feels just fine.”

    not having access to the YES postgame show, i’d love to hear others chime in on this.

  219. anaconda August 5th, 2008 at 2:38 am

    kasey,

    No, I don’t post much here anymore. It was much easier to have a lengthy discussion when there were 20-50 posts a thread instead of 1500+.

    A lot of people now just post a bunch of nonsense, but there are several good posters as well who really know their baseball (CB comes to mind).

    But good for Pete. He was one of the first NY beat writers to do it and now every major newspaper in NY does it.

    He was one of the pioneers and he deserves a lot of credit for it’s huge success.

    I’ll say this much – I know you’ll never change, but hey, optimism can be a good thing because you tend to live longer.

  220. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 2:39 am

    It’s not likely that Chamberlain had any impingement or a major issue and still be throwing 95-96. His statement was that he felt something on a pitch in the 4th inning, and nothing until the 5th, and, that it wasn’t pain, just something that he’s never felt before. He didn’t seem overly concerned about it. With Girardi, you can’t ever tell, butb

  221. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 2:41 am

    It’s not likely that Chamberlain had any impingement or a major issue and still be throwing 95-96. His statement was that he felt something on a pitch in the 4th inning, and nothing until the 5th, and, that it wasn’t pain, just something that he’s never felt before. He didn’t seem overly concerned about it. With Girardi, you can’t ever tell, but, if it was anything, I’m sure that things wouldn’t be so calm in the clubhouse. I’m sure Pettitte and Mussina would know about those things. A week off and, I think he’ll be fine. Just a gut feeling.

  222. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 2:42 am

    anaconda,

    those game threads are out of control. i look for SJ44 and CB’s posts, among others but, yeah, there’s a lot of nonsense being posted – both ways – and it gets tough to wade through. i’d go ahead and include my dialogue with greenberet tonight in that “nonsense.”

    pete and mark feinsand’s blogs are the only two i’ve ever read, as they’re the only two i found even remotely interesting. at first, i remember feinsand’s blog being more popular, but at some point, pete’s just took on a life of its own, probably due to his irreverence, as well as the constant updates and the structure of the game threads. mark does a lot of things very well on his blog, too, and i still read both avidly.

    hope you’re well and i’m sure i’ll catch you at some point down the road.

  223. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    “I’m sure that things wouldn’t be so calm in the clubhouse. I’m sure Pettitte and Mussina would know about those things. A week off and, I think he’ll be fine. Just a gut feeling.”

    i hope your gut feeling is right and, again, i didn’t see the YES postgame, so i’m reliant on what pete and others are reporting. so i don’t know what exactly girardi or chamberlain said.

    however, as for clubhouse demeanor, these guys are professional athletes with another game to play tomorrow and 49 more after that. of course they’re going to put their best foot forward, no matter what the situation. i don’t think any of us expected somebody to say, “joba’s finished and so are we. i’m just looking forward to the offseason.”

  224. DFox August 5th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    I might be way off base, but the only reason Joba came out of the game at that point in time was because GIRARDI spotted something and came running out. It didn’t even seem as if he was going to take himself out of the game if Girardi had not spotted him doing something with his arm. If he had stayed in for another inning, would we have ever even known about this? I’m just asking, I mean people are comparing this to Hughes, and Wang, and that’s just stupid. It clearly can’t be a similar injury because when Hughes and Wang got hurt they were no longer physically able to pitch. Joba showed 0 signs of not being physically able to pitch.

    And the bottom line is, of course they’ll be careful with him, but you can’t put someone on the DL who doesn’t have an injury…

  225. mel August 5th, 2008 at 2:52 am

    GB7,

    We’re just one big happy dysfunctional family here. :)

    Heard on the radio that Ortiz felt a pop in his wrist when he grounded out late in the game…

  226. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 2:53 am

    “And the bottom line is, of course they’ll be careful with him, but you can’t put someone on the DL who doesn’t have an injury…”

    sure you can. teams do it all the time in order to make roster space.

  227. DFox August 5th, 2008 at 2:55 am

    “sure you can. teams do it all the time in order to make roster space.”

    That’s true, but I mean in this situation, if they don’t actually find anything, I can’t see him gong on the DL… From the way he sounded he made it sound like they weren’t going to come up with any injury when they tested him.

  228. kasey August 5th, 2008 at 3:02 am

    dfox,

    gotcha. hopefully he’ll miss one start and that’ll be that. but i think, given what’s happened with hughes, they’ll probably be pretty cautious.

    if he misses one or two starts, they’ll be fine. more than that, could be trouble.

  229. mel August 5th, 2008 at 3:06 am

    kasey,

    Why worry? Livan Hernandez finds out Friday if he’s cleared waivers and becomes a free agent. :P

  230. Wang IS Taiwan August 5th, 2008 at 3:07 am

    kasey,

    I would recommend Bronx Banter, as well. It’s a quality site with good writing.

    But honestly, what would we do without Pete? I was reading a couple of months into the start of his new venture — just not posting much at all because of time (posted under Stef). I missed you when you left for a while and am glad you’re back. You make me smile.

  231. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 3:08 am

    Mel, I can only agree with the “big, dysfunctional family” part. I hate hearing that about Ortiz. I’m an ardent hater of the Red Sox, but, that’s one thing I hate seeing…players from any team being injured. That’s not to be confused with a team full of players missing games because of hangovers, though. I’ll look around and see what’s going on with Ortiz, but, anything serious will really do big time damage to that lineup, especially with Ramirez vacationing in sunny LA.

  232. mel August 5th, 2008 at 3:11 am

    GB7,

    I heard it on the sportscenter update on the radio.

    I’ve looked online and haven’t found anything yet. As usual, espn.com refused to write anything negative but they did mention that Lowell missed the game with a hip flexor issue.

  233. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 3:12 am

    Oh, God, Mel. I was just starting to feel better when you had to mention Livan Hernandez.
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    Say, you’re not secretly Randy I, are you?

  234. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 3:14 am

    Mel, I was watching the Boston game on Sunday and saw Lowell pull up lame. I thought he might miss a game when he was pulled from the game for a pinch runner. He hurt himself running out an infield hit.

  235. mel August 5th, 2008 at 3:18 am

    GB7,

    Oddly enough the Yankees weren’t mentioned as one of the many teams that might vie for his services. The mets and rockies were listed as suitors.

  236. mel August 5th, 2008 at 3:19 am

    GB7,

    He had an injection at the spot.

  237. Moshe Mandel August 5th, 2008 at 3:21 am

    This is the Ortiz story. http://www.bostonherald.com/sp.....position=0

  238. mel August 5th, 2008 at 3:26 am

    http://www.bostonherald.com/sp.....position=0

    thanks.

  239. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 3:33 am

    Mel, was it Ortiz or Lowell with the shot? I can’t imagine that they’d give Ortiz a shot without an MRI to see if there was more damage. I can’t open the link.

  240. mel August 5th, 2008 at 3:40 am

    GB7,

    Lowell got the injection and the link is broken, but if you click on it and click sports, it’ll take you to the front page where there’s a working link to the article.

  241. GreenBeret7 August 5th, 2008 at 3:53 am

    Thanks, Mel. I just opened a regular link to Boton Herald. I just read the link PA had about tonight’s game. Seems that the plan is to have Mark Melancon make his next appearance in the middle of an inning, presumably to get him ready for a major league callup. That sounds like an attempt to reenforce a solid bullpen, and Kennedy may take Chamberlain’s starts if he’s forced to miss any.

  242. sevrox August 5th, 2008 at 6:17 am

    “He’s got a lot of innings, but they’re controlled innings,”*Contreras said. “He doesn’t get dry humped. If he gets up (in the bullpen) he’s in the game.”

    You heard it folks – if yer gonna get up, yer gonna get in the game.

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  244. Aaron August 5th, 2008 at 6:59 am

    Wait so is the MRI today or tomorrow?

  245. bodhisattva August 5th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    Back bench:

    I see no reason to disagree with you – the teams ahead of us aren’t exactly world beaters.

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  248. paul August 5th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Would you surprise if Pavano comes up to the Yankees and pitches for his career.(if he had one)

    or BTW why isnt Kennedy brought up? he has like 10 starts and his dominating triple-A. Hes better than Geise,Rasner, or Ponson

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