Game 114: Yanks at Rangers (Joba on DL)
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- August
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YANKEES (61-52)
Damon CF
Jeter GIDP
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez DH
Giambi 1B
Nady LF
Cano 2B
I. Rodriguez C
Betemit 3B
Ponson RHP
Sidney Ponson (6-2, 4.23) vs. the Texas hitters.
Tommy Hunter (0-0, 10.80) has never faced any of the New York hitters.
JOBA ON DL: Joba Chamberlain has been placed on the 15-day DL. RHP Chris Britton was recalled from AAA Scranton. More on this later as it develops.
No official word yet on what he has, but it sounds like it could be enough to end his season.
Notes: The Yankees have lost two straight and eight of their last 10. They are 1-4 against Texas. … The Yankees have fallen to 25-26 on the road, having lost three straight away from the Bronx. … Melky Cabrera has one RBI since July 9. … Bobby Abreu has hit safely in 8 games at 14 of 34 (.412).
OH CAPTAIN, MY CAPTAIN: Derek Jeter has grounded into 18 double plays, three of his career high of 21 established last season.
MLB’s GIDP leaders since the start of the 2007 season (through Tuesday)
V. Guerrero 41
D. Jeter 39
O. Hudson 39
B. Phillips 38
M. Tejada 37
D. Lee 37
IT’S THE PITCHING, STUPID: Yankees pitching over the last 10 games: 87.2 IP, 104 H, 71 ER, 43 BB, 69 K, 16 HR, 7.29 ERA.
KEEPING HIS FOCUS: Say this for A-Rod, he doesn’t get distracted. He has a 1.037 OPS since the Madonna/divorce story broke on July 2.
TIME TO ADJUST: Dave Robertson’s last 3 games: 4 6 8 8 6 7, 2 HR.
THE WALKING MAN: Robinson Cano walked three times yesterday. He had walked three times in his previous 162 plate appearances.
Back later with updates.
* * * * * JOBA UPDATE, 6:39 p.m. * * * * *
All the Yankees are saying for now is that Joba is on the DL. Brian Cashman is flying to New York from Oklahoma City (where he attended the Bobby Murcer Memorial Service) and all the information will come from him.
Girardi claimed to have no knowledge of what Dr. Andrews said.
As was first reported here yesterday, Ian Kennedy will be called up to start in Joba’s place. He will start Friday and Dan Giese on Saturday. Giese is likely to work an inning or two tonight in relief.
UPDATE, 6:47 p.m.: In case you missed it, Jeff Karstens took a perfect game for 7.2 innings against the Diamondbacks and settled for a two-hit shutout. Karstens also had two hits and scored (on a double by Doug Mientkiewicz).
Karstens was one of the four players traded to the Pirates for Marte and Nady. The Yankees had pretty much given up on him (with reason) and now he has pitched 15 scoreless innings in the NL.
“I was pitching well in Triple-A and I felt like I wasn’t going to go anywhere,” Karstens said after the game.
The Yankees were watching the game in the clubhouse and rooting for Jeff. Karstens is a good guy who caught a lot of bad breaks with the Yankees. Several Yankees (who shall remain nameless) found it amusing that he beat Randy Johnson.
* * * * * * * 7:21 p.m. UPDATE ON JOBA * * * * *
This from Brian Cashman via PR director Jason Zillo: Chamberlain has what is being described as rotator cuff tendinitis. He will be rested for “about a week” and then start a throwing program after being evaluated again.
He will return to New York.
Just for your own reference: “tendinitis” is often a nice way to say he has a little tear in his rotator cuff.
Joe Girardi said before the game he was optimistic Joba would play again this season. But a rotator cuff issue is nothing to mess around with. Don’t expect to see Chamberlain any time soon this season, if at all.
UPDATE, 7:49 p.m.: Try to keep in mind here that the Yankees tend to break bad news incrementally. Look at Wang and Posada just this season. Posada had a labrum tear in April and it was called “tendinitis.” His surgeon admitted it earlier this week.
My understanding is that Joba will not need surgery and can be rehabbed back into health. It’ll be interesting to see whether the Yankees take a chance and run him back out there this season.
UPDATE, 8:42 p.m.: Creative move by the umpires there to get it wrong for both teams. Either the Yankees had a double play or the Rangers scored a run. How that was just one out, I’m not sure.
UPDATE, 8:44 p.m.: Wow, what a collision there.
In other news, Chad Moeller cleared waivers today and was assigned to Scranton.
UPDATE, 8:48 p.m.: Molina for Pudge.
UPDATE, 9:21 p.m.: Pudge has a bruised right knee. No tests required. He’s day-to-day. Now that I actually believe.
UPDATE, 9:41 p.m.: Alex is now 0-9 in the series with three GIDPs. And you people give Jeter a hard time.
UPDATE, 10;24 p.m.: I have to admit, Sir Sidney did the job again tonight. 6.1 6 3 3 1 4 isn’t the prettiest line ever but its effective.
UPDATE, 10:49 p.m.: Mariano is warming up. He has not appeared in a game since Friday because of back spasms.
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No Melky again?
Win tonight or the season is effectively over.
Robertson needs to get sent down and work on his control
Good stuff with Melky out of the lineup
I don’t want to see Melky start again.
I especially don’t want to ever see him pinch hit again.
Karstens – Perfect game through 5 in Arizona, ironically he is facing off against Randy Johnson.
Classy strip club ad’s here.
Mad Dog just had a 3 second spell of mental retardation while he watched the Pena bomb highlight…oh wait that’s just normal for him.
Interesting lineup…
By the end of tonight, we’ll be 7.5 GB in the division. That’s slightly pathetic, no?
Karstens scoreless innings to start NL career: 11 and counting
Jeff Karstens is pitching a perfect game thru 5, the d-backs hit like 5 rockets of him to center field all of them stayed were caught.
I hope we win 2night i really do, if we lose again who are you guys going to blame?? O thats right MELKY
jeter gidp? Peter did you have Brandon do the lineups for you?
“Tommy Hunter (0-0, 10.80) has never faced any of the New York hitters.”
Boy we are in trouble.
Alan August 6th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Win tonight or the season is effectively over.
Because it’s impossible to make up a 7 game deficit in 8 weeks. Just ask all of the Mets fans about last year…
“Karstens scoreless innings to start NL career: 11 and counting”
You couldn’t make some of this stuff up.
and we get to face Feldman again tomorrow…..
Damon could be very budy out there with Sidney on the mound.
We’re going to have to out-club them tonight, boys.
Karstens is a replica of Rasner. They always come up and start off strong for a couple games and proceed to take a nose dive. I wouldnt read too much into it.
“Karstens scoreless innings to start NL career: 11 and counting”
We should have asked for Bay, Nady & Marte in return.
Damon in center?? I’m not sure a greater indictment of Melky’s play exists.
Game 7 scenario tonight in Arlington.
I guess this season just was not meant to be. The injuries to key players seem to have piled up so much that we just can’t overcome it. Any team that loses Wang and Joba is gonna have major problems making the playoffs. Hopefully we can have IPK come up soon in Joba’s spot and give us some solid games and hold things together until Hughes is ready. Up until the Joba injury, it looked like we could hang in there and sneak into the playoffs. Unless Hughes and IPK can save our season, we just have to hope Joba doesn’t need surgery and can be vintage 98 MPH fastball Joba come spring training and start from the beginning with a healthy Wang, Joba, Hughes and Kennedy.
Jeff Karstens has a perfect game through five at Wrigley.
Torre after winning 4 rings was untouchable
Jeter after winning 4 rings gets GIDP as his position.
Utter BS
any reason for the Arod dh?
at Arizona*************
cano he didnt- Girardi said he wanted to get a bunch of different players games as DH.
THE WALKING MAN: Robinson Cano walked three times yesterday. He had walked three times in his previous 162 plate appearances.
whoa
If Karstens throws a no hitter that would be awesome.
Hmmm. Washburn and Ponson lining up again. Hopefully they both have great games.
I officially hate Tampa.
To Peter
Does Jeter realize that stat? Does he acknowledge it or are reporters not asking him about it because he might not take too kindly to the question?
I d love to know if anyone has asked him about it
I think Girardi is using the weak link in the lineup to give some players a day of rest and in Christian’s case, a chance to play. It’s a good move. The Yanks have few days off in the near term.
Robertson pitched fine last night. Better than fine actually. If Bruney does his job (and gets 1 out) it wouldnt even be an issue.
Torre after winning 4 rings was booted out of town, thank you very much
cano he didnt,
My guess is to rest A Rod in the brutal heat.
lets hope this is the beginning of the end for Melky as the starting CF for the Yanks.On Robertson,struck out 4 guys last night Hamilton,Young,Kinsler,I forget who else.If Bruney does his job Robertson gives up on hit no runs.His line looks bad because of the grand slam he gave up against the Angels in the blow out game on thursday.No the kid is pitching good One bad outing in his career he what send him down.Look at his K rate the most important stat for a reliver.
Freddy Garcia.WAshburn.Arroyo.
Karstens doing well for the Pirates so far.
What are we basing the statement “it sounds like it could be enough to end [Joba’s] season” on? Is there any information to support this statement as of yet? If it is true and Joba is out for the season, you have to think that the Yankees are “out for the season” as well. You can’t go with Pettitte and Mussina and pray for rain. Moreover, I would say that neither Pettitte and Mussina are true number 1 starters, and other teams do have true number 1 starters.
“Bobby Abreu has hit safely in 8 games at 14 of 34 (.412).”
Is there a way to hit unsafely in a game?
“Does Jeter realize that stat? Does he acknowledge it or are reporters not asking him about it because he might not take too kindly to the question?
I d love to know if anyone has asked him about it”
Jeter is just like Tiger Woods – he knows all of his stats, he understands where he is at any given moment and he pounces on any reporter who gives him crap.
The Yankees being the Yankees, they’ll keep on fighting even if Joba is down for the season.
If Joba is down for the season, however, I think we as fans have to come to grips with the fact that this may well be the year the Yanks don’t reach the playoffs (it’s always been likely that this is that year, what with injuries to Posada, Matsui, A-Rod for a month, Phil Hughes, CMW and now Joba).
Even if the Yankees can be brought low by Job-like injuries, and I fault nobody for that…..
Carryover from prior thread. Really like what Maddon did today:
Quick kudos to Joe Maddon down in Tampa. He doesn’t screw around. Benches Upton for dogging it on a play, despite being in the heat of a pennant race. Scoscia is the league’s best manager, but his former right hand is the AL Manager of the Year.
Yeah I don’t worry about Robertson coming out of the bullpen, although last night it was frustrating that he struck out 4 straight guys but then lost the plate. It might have been a situation where he ran out of gas, and Girardi stayed with him too long…but I don’t know. Overall, though, seeing him pitch, those numbers look worse than he actually has thrown save for the game he gave up the GS.
Karstens perfect through 6. What a performance.
18 up, 18 down for Karstens.
We all know how this will end.
Karstens will take a no hitter into the 9th and get the 1st 2 outs, with the Pirates lading 1-0.
Then he will allow a bloop single on an 0-2 pitch and Hansen will try to come in to get the last out and save it.
Instead, he will allow a 2 run walkoff HR to Micha Owings.
TKinDC,
Other than Melky, is there anyone in the Yankee’s lineup that you would not want to have up with a man on base? Derek is hurting the Yanks this year with his lack of run production, slugging % and GIDP’s. Those are the facts and I’m sure no one is more disappointed than Derek Jeter. There’s no harm in stating it.
Karstens told his wife on the way to Pittsburgh, “I’m going to make them look silly.”
Still like the deal. Karstens wouldn’t didn’t have a future here. And that Nady guy’s pretty good.
Andy
Moose
Pontoon
IPK
Razz/Giese
.
Good night, Irene ! :-0
Karstens perfect through 6
Hawkins is pitching right now for houston…
Our rotation has officially hit rock bottom…..we are toast…really….toast
F*** ARROYO !
And what is it w/ GI Jou and his love for Jason in the #5 spot IT’S NOT WORKING !!!!
Jeter GIDP
that was awesome lol
Obviously this is just wild speculation, but where do you guys see the CF situation next year? A lot of members of this board seem to feel that AJax will be ready to step in midseason but I really think that assumes a lot. (Ans some people think he will break spring training as the starting CF, but thats just ridiculus.)
Besides 1B there are 0 spots open in the lineup this offseason (assuming Posada can catch). So besides 1B and starting pitching, which are holes to fill, CF is the one area the team can really improve. There is not really a whole lot on the free agent market and trading for a decent center fielder seems like a waste with AJax on the horizon in 2010 so it seems like the Yanks are content to let Melky hold it down until then. I guess i’m ok with that as well. But what about this? Rocco Baldelli is a free agent this offseason and still only 26 years old right now. If, obviously a big IF, his current treatments can overcome his mystery ailments do you think it would be worth taking a shot on him for a minor league (say 4-6 mil a year if it takes that) deal to see if he can come back. If he can realise even a part of his potential he would be an upgrade over melky and it would really be a situation with huge upside and little risk. If everything went well, after holding down center for a little while he could move to a corner outfield spot once Jackson comes up and damon/nady are on the way out. Anyway, probably never going to happen but just thought I would throw that out there.
“And what is it w/ GI Jou and his love for Jason in the #5 spot IT’S NOT WORKING !!!!”
Told ya.
Is this a “trial run” for Damon back in Center? If he plays well in center it really helps the lineup. You get Melky out, you have Christian to pinch run, and you can be more durable with the DH spot.
Yankee fans can take solace in the fact that neither Coco Crisp or Jacoby Ellsbury can hit their way out of a paper bag this season…
You guys think Joba is done for the season. I am getting ton of reports form everywhere. Some say his fine and others say his gone for the season….
What is it!??!?!?!?!? I am going crazy here ALALKALAKLA
Off topic,
Can Andy be pitching for a spot in next years team? He has had 2 straight sub par outings and probably has about 9 more left. What e.r.a. do you guys think is it going to take for Pettitte to be welcomed back next year?
How ‘bout that tough Arizona lineup that Karstens is mowing down? 5 through 9 their batting averages are .247,.223, .257,242 and .091 Not exactly like pitching in the American League.
i’m still waiting for anyone to explain the pudge/melky decision last night.
Leading the league in GIDP only means that the people in front of that guy are getting on base. Really it is a stupid stat and I don’t pay attention to such things. Maybe Pete thinks they should remove #2 from his uniform and replace it with GIDP
Like anything else in life, come through when they need you and you are a hero. Screw up and you suck….
Karstens Watch:
17 in a row
“Classy strip club ad’s here.”
the whole atmosphere is eroding…
Insane number of posts last evening: Last night was a big game…can’t handle much more of these headaches the day after a loss.
Karstens Watch:
19 in a row*
1 out in the 7th as drew fouled out
Melky out again and Austin Jackson playing some left field in AA. Sounds to me like the Yankees are getting ready to maybe bring him up and be flexible, but I’m always reading into things too much.
you think karstens is doing well. alberto gonz is hitting .400 + for washington
With Joba done, we are officially screwed. This sucks.
We need more wins then the Jays, I have a 4 figure bet on us having a better record. I am a little worried…
“Is there a way to hit unsafely in a game?”
Are you unaware of the current maple bat controversy?
and karstens was supposed to be the throw in/4th player in the deal…. and he already is dominating.
imagine if mccutchen becomes a good #2 starter, ohlendorf harnesses his stuff, and Tabata turns it around?
the trade could rival Lariano/Nathan for AJ Pierzynski.
AROD is continung to prove 07 was an aberration as his inability to respond in the clutch is ongoing. Last night in the 9th inning in which he hit, rather weakly, into the double play to end the game, is demonstrable. Unfortunately, if reliance is placed on Madonna’s guy when the chips are down, consistent winning is not in the cards, as is securing a berth in the playoffs.
Karstens perfect game through 7.1 innings
LOL Turn on SNY… Gusipee Franco is doing a live interview with the guys from DNL.
Drive 4-5
I have concerns about many Yankees “Other than Melky” as you put it.
I would tend to go by the numbers, unless my eyes are telling me the numbers are wrong.
“Karstens Watch: 17 in a row”
Wish we had a pitcher like that.
Hudson K’s, 2 outs!
Karstens Watch:
20 in a row
6.2 my mistake
Hughes Dynasty – It’s been a few weeks since the trade has been made. Settle down.
Absolutely sick pitching from Karstens today…Conor Jackson goes down and he’s 6 outs away.
radnom,
Taking a flier on Rocco Baldelli is an interesting idea. He’d have to accept a minor league contract though. He could be a good addition to an organization that has a dearth of outfield prospects.
I think you forgot that the Yanks may have a hole to fill in right field if they dont bring Abreu back.
Karstens Watch:
21 in a row
LOL Karstens is not that good… stop getting caught up, the Minnesota trade please…if anything this fair well for better prospects like Kontos and Jones
Karstens. Wow. Just wow
Pefecto through 7!
MoBoy(aka McLovin) said at 5:03 pm “Freddy Garcia.WAshburn.Arroyo.”
Say Cashman makes one of the three happen between now and August 31st, specifically Washburn (Garcia needs time to get MLB ready; Arroyo is erratic in a goofy Spicoli sort of way).
What do you fantasy leaguers suggest he send to the trading team? Are you going to suggest BC send Seattle that same old “B-” prospect they wouldn’t budge from in July, in exchange for Washburn and his contract?
Let’s see – most venom directed at Jeter, the pillar of a dynasty and one of the all-time great Yankees, and A-Rod, the greatest active player. yet everyone here showers love on drug cheats Giambi and Pettitte. That’s class.
84 pitches, perfect through 7.
lol if karsten throw a perfect game today, cashman probably get fire immediately …........
although I do wish him luck
Karsten is sleeping with the fishes – he’s dead to us.
Wow. Karstens is perfect through 7 at Arizona. Did he have an arm transplant on his plan ride to Pittsburgh?
We’re definitely living in bizarro baseball world, with tampa in first place and jeff karstens pitching a perfect game through 7 innings.
karstens still perfect through 7
I hope Karstens gets those last 6 outs after what he went through last season. Yes, it sucks that he’s doing it another team, but most Yankee fans didn’t care he was in the Nady package when it was done so what is done is done.
Go Karstens!
Come on, ESPN.
YOU’D CUT AWAY FROM FREAKIN’ AROUND THE HORN IF BRETT FAVRE WAS TRADED.
But nooooooo, Karstens throwing a perfect game is nothing. Bull.
Wow.
Karstens has 13 scoreless innings against the Cubs and D’Backs (2 best teams in the NL) on the road…
Bizarro world. Even Randy is looking good.
LOL Turn on SNY… Gusipee Franco is doing a live interview with the guys from DNL.
I just turned this on.
LOL What the hell is this?
“IT’S THE PITCHING, STUPID”
Peter Abraham – I have to show some appreciation. I so appreciate your wit & play on words (no sarcasm here)...I’ve always loved that line!
Ode to James Carville, I think…or was it a Bubba original?
Karstens is also 2-3 (both singles) off Big Unit
Not a problem, the teams will be lining up to trade with us. We’ll have to pick and choose players that we want.
karstens 2-3 off the big unit!
i don’t understand why everybody keep blaming melky for everything while he’s making the least amount in the lineup. If we base on dollar per hit analysis melky probably is better than arod, jeter, etc
Cody, when Lackey had a no-no through 8, then they decided to show the 9th!
No pinch runner for Karstens. Go, go, go!
and i also say get minky back next year!
I guarantee you Joel Sherman right now is saying WHO ?
“You mean Jeff “Ratface” Karstens ? WTF ?
Karstens is also 2-3 (both singles) off Big Unit
We really are in the twilight zone aren’t we?
can these last few days get any worse? now karstens is pitching a no hitter, hilarious.
I have seen it all this year and now with karstens perfect thru 7.. I think he was in the Yankee system like 3 years and he did not show much at all.
Baseball is a head shaker.. Karstens they said in SWB had a 207 or so BA against with the bases empty and like 350 with runners on..
His #’s at SWB were nice but not earth shattering.. Unbeleivable..
Karstens can even run from second base and not come up limping. Wang should’ve taken lessons.
The D’backs have no hitting. Not taking away form what Karstens is doing, but they are NOT a good hitting team.
Karstens has been drinking his milk and calcium rich ovaltine
karstens is pitching in the national league. that simple.
jeter’s definitely having an off year, but the dude’s still hitting .280. i’m not saying he deserves a free pass, but the amount of bile spewed at him this season is insane. no wonder yankee fans get a rep for being a spoiled, fickle bunch. does anybody remember the ‘80s and ‘90s? jeter is a sure-thing hall-of-famer who was instrumental in the franchise’s resurgence. yeah, i’d love to see him come through more often than he has this year but pardon me if i don’t think the guy’s earned the right to an off year.
stuart Karstens was nearing bum status ..IDK now a part of me said sure what the hell call up Kei Igawa
Eyechart knocks in Karstens.
Jeter is not helping the team that’s for sure. He’s due for an extension and he’s killing his chances of getting that big paycheck…Favre, I mean, Jeter needs to step it up.
Haha, Russo is watching it in the studio. Damn, they should move the camera up a little bit so we can see.
Cody,
you mean Arod and Jeter need to LEARN from Karsten as well? I remember both of em land on DL from running bases…
Is IPK gonna get a call up this weekend?
and Karstens singles and comes around on a Minky double… maybe the Yankees should have been trying Karstens in CF
I take it back, MoBoy(aka McLovin) and Bo Knows and anyone else who responded.
Or rather, maybe the Yankees can take Washburn before they see his last 2 games. He’s officially turned into a pumpkin.
Man how did the Mets lose to Arizona… I mean Jeff Karstens
espn.com:
“New Pirate Karstens flirting with perfect game”
Surprised they didn’t use “Ex-Yankee Karstens flirting with perfect game”
Screw, YES. They moved the camera down even more.
what inning is it for the Pirates now?
I just looked at Karstens #’s with the yanks they were not real pretty.. he avg. giving up about 1 HR every 6 innings..
This game is humbling, so unpredicatable, yeah AZ cannot hit but perfecto is pretty damn special..
WOW.
top 8th just ended
Karen-
Hey if Settle wanted a crappy B prospect I’ll do it.Freddy needs time but at least we don’t have to give up anybody.And Arroyo pitches in a major hitters park.As a lefty Yankee stadium is a better stadium for lefties,
Yes these guys aren’t great.But do you think Giese,Ponson,Kennedy can pitch in the streach.THey “will” not maybe “will” get bombed.
Forget Wang,Pavano,Melchon,Alfredo and Hughes(at least till September).These guys can’t help us.
Brandon – What is the deal with Humberto Sanchez? Is he from your neighborhood too? The press made it sound like he was Bronx born and bred.
Heading to the bottom of the 8th, Ed.
i wonder why ESPN isn’t airing it? thought they would air games like this?
Brandon – What is the deal with Humberto Sanchez? Is he from your neighborhood too? The press made it sound like he was Bronx born and bred.
Humberto is from the Bronx
Eye Chart drives in Karstens… what is this an interleague game from 2007? No… it’s bizarro world – AKA the National League.
going to the bottom of the 8th in arizona
Wow, so Karstens is amazing. Why did they have to give him up????? They need a pitcher, he could have filled that void. Absolutely ridiculous.
Cashman: Not. A. Good. Evaluator. of. Pitching.
7.1 perfect
Karstens Watch:
22 in a row
Tracy flies out, 1 out!
come onnn we have to win today, i mean RICHIE SEXSON hit a grand slam last night!!! and wasnt it off a RHP? if i didnt see it i definately would have laughed in your face if you told me
that has to be a sign of good things to come
i like the line up we have today and everyone of them is capable of helping this team
now i have to prepare myself for the twilight zone called PONSANITY!
i clicked the mlb.tv link and the game came up for FREE
You guys are nuts. It’s only two starts for Karstens. This guy is not the next Liriano.
BTW – Tabata has 2 HRs and a double in the GCL in 3 games, and a 1.722 OPS.
If Karstens throws a no hitter the Yankees are winning the world series this year.
“August 6th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Let’s see – most venom directed at Jeter, the pillar of a dynasty and one of the all-time great Yankees, and A-Rod, the greatest active player”
it’s called truth. And arod is not great.
7.2 perfect
Karstens Watch:
23 in a row
Is this the LoHud Karstens Blog, LoHud Former-Yankees Blog, or what?
No, I’m kidding. I was the first to say this wasn’t a great trade. Fuentues is far better than Marte, and although Nady is good, he basically went for four prospects. Marte won’t be good.
Karstens was always ahead of Rasner… that’s what bothers me about this.
Go Karstens!! 4 outs away!!
hey a little off topic, but i am getting the dish network at my new house and i realized they dont have the yes network when i was at my girlfriends house the other night. NO yankees game on any channel. i saw it on one channel but it said it didnt come in in my area. anyone else have this problem?
go Karstens.
Reynolds Grounds out, 2 outs!
saucy, its free because history in the making.
SHHHH DONT TALK ABOUT IT.
Wasn’t everyone in the organization high on Karstens coming into this season after his performance with Team USA (I believe)? Then he got injured and and was pitching well in the minors then the trade happened… if the Joba/Rasner/Ponson dillema had come to a head 2-3 weeks earlier, I’m thinking Karstens would be starting for NYY.
BTW – Tabata has 2 HRs and a double in the GCL in 3 games, and a 1.722 OPS.
close call for Karstens right there
Mlb showing free live look in!
wow – i for one feel good for karstens, hope he gets it
Jeff Karstens…
shakes head
I hope he gets it. I also feel completely fine with getting rid of him. He is what he is.
Like I said, CF in that Pittsburgh stadium must be 1,000 ft or something…
Wow Karstens-4 more outs dude
there it goes.
Kasey,
Great Springsteen clip on my blog (if interested).
Base hit to left.
Perfect game over
that’s it!
ok I can breathe now
no more…...
Well he was doing great, Chris Young double ends bid for perfection
Rasner had better numbers in the minors this year than Karstens… didn’t Rasner have a 0.95 ERA in 5 starts?
question:
did joe torre mix up the line up everyday as joe Girardi does??
damn—
they just got a hit off karstens—but good luck kidnooooooo!!!!!
nice job, Jeff.
oh no. and there it goes.
But good for him!! He’s doing great with the Pirates.
“The Yankees being the Yankees, they’ll keep on fighting even if Joba is down for the season.”
Really? As opposed to other teams that just shut down after a key injury. Hmm, interesting. I love hearing about yankee super powers!
That sucks. I was really rooting for him.
Young w/a shot down the line…I bet he loses the shutout with a 2 run bomb here pretty soon. I agree with whoever said he’s like Rasner…good at first, then a crappy 5th starter thereafter.
still a 1 hitter through 8!
what a shame.
hopefully, he will continue to help pitt.
Tough break for Karstens. I was pulling for him.
Not only was Karstens perfect – he’d only thrown 88 pitches to get the first 23 outs.
He’d only thrown 12-13 pitches an inning.
The national league is unbelievable, especially the NL west. They just can’t hit. It’s borderline minor league ball out there in terms of offense.
Imagine getting a perfect game thrown against you and you let the pitcher only throw 12 pitches an inning through 8.
I’d love to hear what lohud posters would think about that kind of plate patience!
If anyone could break it up, Chris Young would be the one.
Shutout still intact, though.
Does anyone here know the status of Alfredo Aceves? I’m really getting anxious to see him pitch. Is he still on the DL?
Just wondering… when does Karstens hit free agency? lol.
He’s been pitching, but not terribly well since he got off the DL.
National League. All you need to know.
Gotta win tonite!
karstens performaces with Pitt = proof teams get up for playing the yankees.
I wish him well.
By the way – it’s actually a very good thing for the yankees if guys like Karstens do well.
If guys they’ve traded do well then that says something about the quality of the yankees system and its depth.
That will only help the team making trades in the future.
Karstens was never going to be more than a long man on this team – and even in that role he didn’t do very well.
It’s good to see him get an opportunity.
I’m not rooting for these guys they traded to turn into superstars – but if they become decent players who can stick in the majors that will only help the yankees.
Jeff Karstens doing well only increases the trade value of Jeff Marquez and Darrell Rasner.
Karen
If Washburn is claimed by us, Seattle can dump the remainder of his contract on us, which is now possible since his last outing against Baltimore he gave up 6 runs in 4.2 innings.
They can try and work a trade with us, but if it’s one of our players on the 40 man roster they have to clear waivers.
Or they can pull him back and therefore he can’t be put on waivers for 30 more days. If put on waivers sooner, it becomes irrevocable.
Here’s a possible lefty who has one of the most lucrative contracts with little production-Mike Hampton. he pitched 7 inning last night and gave up 2 runs. Yes it was against the Giants. he had a hit or two also, and I never liked him, but I’m sure he’d clear waivers. he could be the 5th starter and pinch hit occasionally!!
uhh… just read a post from lohud yankee blog. joba is on 15 day dl, and likely out for season. also wang has about 10% chance to make it back before playoffs start.
that means the yankees rotation looks a lil something like this
Mike Moose
Andy Petme
Dan Giese
Darrell Rasnuts
Drunken Ponson
Wow, I hate to say it… But we are DOOMED with this rotation as it stands. Absolutely NO WAY yankees contend in playoffs with these 5 bums.. lol
via CJ: Phil Hughes was officially added to the roster in Britton’s place.
Aceves is not the answer. Unless pitching not very well in AAA qualifies you to be good in the majors.
its great for Karstens
EVERY pitcher would love to pitch in the NL
Look at the players who still have jobs in that league
all you need to know is Latroy pitched a shutout inning today for the stros, and k’d 3. his ERA is 0.00 for the stros. I am not sure how many innings it has been but assume it is just a few outings..
again who could believe what they are seeing…
clay,
checked the springsteen clip. killer version of that tune.
This hurt me today
I never saw another logo next to his name
WHy aren’t we getting any updates on Joba.
Ojeda walks
And yet, in a short series, if an NL team has a lights-out ace (or 2), at least one impact slugger, and a reliable closer, it can win a World Series. See Florida and St. Louis. But, top to bottom, the National League is so inferior that life-long NL commentators don’t bother to defend the league anymore. And these are the same guys who, before the Yankees in 1996, looked down their noses at the AL.
brandon – i agree, cant believe we have up on him so soon. he was ready to break out.
marte better turn it around soon too.
The Jobagate info embargo is another case of Al Yankazeera at its finest. Sometimes they just seem so out of touch with the fan base. We’ve spoiled them so much over this run I think they really take the fans for granted. Whatever. I’m sure I’ll still be salivating like one of Pavlov’s dogs when they open the gates next year.
The passing of Jim Kaat’s wife is sad. Cancer sure took its toll on the broadcast booth in July. Kaat was one of the best we’ve had. A real straight shooter who didn’t walk the company line over at YES. Another travesty.
My question to the Yankees would be; If you are not able to provide the fans with a quality team, what other reasons do we have for sticking around?
“Melky Cabrera has one RBI since July 9”
Wow. That’s some staggering failure right there. And worse news about Joba. ugh. I want to know what the MRI showed already. The longer the public doesnt hear about it, the worse I fear it is.
Meanwhile this game really does not bode well for us, a nondescript starter with crappy numbers who we’ve never seen before, Sir Sid pitching in a high stakes (for him personally and the team) game, Betemit starting at 3b… just bad news all around.
DP, 2 outs!
Kasey,
That move (Melky instead of Pudge) was a head scratcher for me as well.
Either way though, this team has too many issues to make a playoff push the rest of the way. We are so far beyond questioning in game moves or the lineup. That train has left the station.
You watch this team every night and you just don’t see “it”. “It” being a team that plays like a playoff team.
Take out their 8 game winning streak after the break and they are one game over .500 for the season. For most of this season, they have played like a .500 team. Realistically, that’s probably what they are at this point.
I know folks think the Yankees can overcome everything simply because they are the Yankees. However, at some point, you have to look at this team objectively and ask, “is it a playoff team and does it play like one every night”?
I don’t think any of us can objectively answer “yes” to the above questions.
Some of it have been injuries. You can’t lose guys like Wang, Posada, Matsui, Hughes and Chamberlain and just say, “injuries happen to everybody”. Yes, injuries happen to everybody but, rarely to this degree. Especially, the season ending injuries to Wang, Matsui and Posada. Those are killers. I don’t expect Joba to pitch the rest of the year either. You don’t replace those guys on the team with players that come close to their levels of play.
Some of it has been the lack of the younger guys to take it up a notch and contribute consistently this year. Hughes and Kennedy, who began the year as the #4 and #5 starters on this staff, are winless at the major league level this year. Who saw that coming in March?
Melky and Cano have regressed. Melky to such a degree that his time as an everyday CF is probably coming to an end. Cano to the extent that the Yankees will have to give real thought about his future in Pinstripes after this season.
If he is back, he’s going to have to really work on his focus issues. Perhaps they move him to the middle of the order and force him to focus more. For such a talented kid, he makes a lot of mental errors in the field and wastes an awful lot of AB’s.
Next year will be his 5th season in the major leagues. The question the Yankees will have to ask themselves is, “will this kid mature and be the kind of player they thought he was when they committed over 30 million bucks to him”. That’s a very legitimate question to ask about him right now and there isn’t an easy answer to it at this time.
Again, who saw that coming in March?
The veterans have also underperformed. Only Damon, Arod and Abreu have even come close to posting the kind of numbers you are looking for from guys with a lot of pedigree in the game.
If you look at the entire year to date, Damon, Arod, Abreu (offensively, not defensively), Mo and Moose have been the only veteran players to truly play up to or exceed their levels this season.
The young kids in the ‘pen, Robertson, Ramirez and Veras have also done a nice job.
When you add it up, that’s 8 players who have played up to or exceeded their potential this year. 32% of the roster.
Find me a playoff team in recent years that only had 32% of its roster performing at high levels through a season. You can’t because it doesn’t exist. Most playoff teams have at least half their roster performing at high levels. Some as high as 65-70%. None have guys performing at 32% of their levels and are playoff teams.
I saw in another thread somebody talking about chemistry. The problem with this team isn’t chemistry. The chemistry is actually quite good for such a mix of players. The problem is, its an old, injured team in transition. Almost half of the Opening Day Roster is gone right now. Whether its by injury, demotions or trades, that’s a big in-season turnover. That smacks of a transition year to me.
The big thing right now is for this team to compete hard the rest of the way. If you lose, you lose but, compete. Not competing is inexcusable. If guys slack off, those are the guys you don’t want back next year. No matter who they are.
You find out more about your team when they are losing than you do when they are winning.
They also need to get some good news from Dr. Andrews. If Joba doesn’t need surgery, that’s good news. If he does, its the worst possible news.
There is no such thing as “minor” shoulder surgery, no matter how its spun by people. That’s why I’m really hoping for the best and he can rehab his injury with rest and exercise like Papelbon did in 2006.
“The Jobagate info embargo is another case of Al Yankazeera at its finest. Sometimes they just seem so out of touch with the fan base. We’ve spoiled them so much over this run I think they really take the fans for granted. Whatever. I’m sure I’ll still be salivating like one of Pavlov’s dogs when they open the gates next year.”
Al Yankazeera is right and too funny lol.
“Melky Cabrera has one RBI since July 9″
Melky Cabrera in July = EPIC FAIL
Well I’m gone see you guys later, maybe the Yankees can…oh forget it, later.
The loss of Joba means that we should NOT claim Washburn when he goes on waivers. Right now the rotation has virtually zero chance of winning a playoff series. Adding Washburn gives us a slight improvement to the back-end of the rotation. In other words, it’s rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Then we’re stuck with Washburn’s salary as he clogs a roster spot next season.
I don’t see any way to transform the rotation we have now into a playoff-caliber rotation. Washburn, Kennedy, Pavano, Garcia, Zambrano, etc. won’t do it. These guys are fill-ins (at best), not saviors. And the worst part is we need TWO saviors right now to make up for the loss of both Joba and Wang.
I hope someone has a great suggestion about revamping the rotation because I’m feeling pretty discouraged right now.
Rasner and LaTroy doing well.
Only Farnsy is living up to everyone’s expectations.
drew singles!
Maybe we haven’t gotten any word on Joba, because unless he consents, it would be a HIPAA violation!!
What would a day after a loss be without a 100,000 word SJ44 post about nothing?
karstens CG, 2 Hitter
However, the Mets remain interested in Garcia as a 2009 option, and if there are other teams that feel that way, Garcia could get a deal from somebody (the Mets, Yankees or otherwise) that starts this year and runs through the next.
Ok now I got to go home. Later people.
Wow, a two-hitter by Karstens. Niiiiice!
WHO IS THIS KARSTENS CHARACTER?!@
hahahahahaa
Washburn?
I’d rather go down in flames with the overrated Kennedy.
2 hit CG for Ace karstens..Unbelieivable…
Who knew Jeff Karstens for Marte would be such a mismatch.
Maybe Joba will just have a case of biceps tendonitis.
Maybe Karstens should have got another shot here.
Perhaps the blackout on Joba is because the Yankee F.O. is attempting to obtain a pitcher through waivers.
The fact that no information was released means there is nothing positive…
“The veterans have also underperformed. Only Damon, Arod and Abreu have even come close to posting the kind of numbers you are looking for”
SJ: you can leave arod off. Numbers don’t tell everything. He shrinks when it matters. You talk often, of this lineup under-performing. From my view, Arod and Jeter are at the core of it.
“Either way though, this team has too many issues to make a playoff push the rest of the way. We are so far beyond questioning in game moves or the lineup. That train has left the station.”
SJ –
I do think that statement does ring a bit too closely to some of the unfair criticism thrown at you by the trolls.
The team had issues, and now they’ve got even more issues. Those issues may be insurmountable, but the games have not been played yet. A run, with the players we’ve got now, may not be probable, but it’s certainly not impossible.
If you don’t hold out at least some smidgen of belief, while still accepting the fact that it may not happen, there’s no reason to watch the games, post on the blog, etc.
Let’s play the games. Let go Yanks!
“Jeremy
August 6th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
The loss of Joba means that we should NOT claim Washburn when he goes on waivers. Right now the rotation has virtually zero chance of winning a playoff series. Adding Washburn gives us a slight improvement to the back-end of the rotation. In other words, it’s rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic”
exactly. At this time, thankful Cashman did not trade for him. Don’t need him, next year.
I’m in denial still, but perhaps the cold dank reality that SJ just painted very well may prove to be true…I hold out that Hughes is going to make a major impact when he returns in two weeks….Kennedy if he starts Sunday will have heavy self imposed pressure come game time….Not only will he be returning to the Bigs, but friends , family and former opposing coaches will be there….He could be the silent key to October….Anything similar to last September’s callup will make October play a reality….But it does look clouded right now…..Too much talent on the squad…..
“2 hit CG for Ace karstens..Unbelieivable…”
He’s facing NL hitting. If he did it against an AL lineup, then I’d be impressed.
Last nights game was a TPG (Tipping Point Game) where the team plays so badly theat even its most devoted fans turn on them. You know, it happens to the Mets once or twice per season.
I was there myself but have decided to give them, and myself a one game reprieve.
MLL- before you bust in your shorts why dont you wait and see how he pitches the rest of the season for them, Clay Bukholz got his no hitter, and what has he done since? nothing! plus karstens didnt do much for the yanks anyway..NADY IS THE MAN
Vinny
I agree with you. Arod needs a mental shift. He wilts under pressure, perhaps he expects too much of himself. Self being the operative word.
Brandon-
That article also said Garcia had his shoulder surgery last August, already one year and still not ready. It was labrum surgery performed by Dr. Andrews.
If this does tuen out to be a torn labrum, was it from the frequent number of curveballs and the heat that contributed to the injury?
You can’t have seller’s remorse with Karstens. He had no future here. Did he not get us Nady? Yes, I’m leaving out Marte until he’s back in our good graces.
So who’s throwing in the towel on our playoff chances as of now?
Fantastic game pitched by Karstens. Good for him.
Had we hung on to him 2 weeks longer he would have gotten his shot in NY again. How could we know we would be so desparate for starters at this point.
“Perhaps the blackout on Joba is because the Yankee F.O. is attempting to obtain a pitcher through waivers. The fact that no information was released means there is nothing positive…”
i totally agree in the sense that the minute Girardi started walking to the mound to get to Joba, Cashman was on the phone for a potential replacement.
i dont think the blackout is related to the pickup of a pitcher, tho, because every team in the league knew from the moment he grabbed his shoulder the yanks would be calling.
i think they just arent releasing any info bc thats how they do things.
SJ good post even though others think differently..
moose has definitley exceeding expectations and veras, damon and mo have played well after that you need to be an easy grader to give these guys a good grade…
the good news is the pen hs a ton of good arms for next year.. they need to try to get something out of Hughes this year to see if he can be what they hope..
They have Nady for next year which will give them some options for the outfield. I do not bring back all 3 of damon, matsui, or abreu.. if the yresign abreu(I am not for that) they need to trae either Matsui or Damn.. I rather they just let Abreu go…Nady can play RF…
Melky is really on shaky ground they are starting Damon in CF tonight. Melky and Cano are not smart hitters, Cno can get away with it sometimes because he is so talented but overall this is a definite underacheiving operation..
If they do not make the playoffs maybe it will allow management to really eliminate a lot of guys and start anew.. Really does Pettitte deserve to come back??? I will wait to the end of the season but he has not been great this year and to me Moose is too risky to bring back unelss it is for 1 yr. and much lower money if he finishes the year well..
Agreed re: ARod and Jeter. ARod’s numbers are SOFT. Jeter is a GIDP machine, and he kills more rally’s these days than most anyone.
This team just does not hit situationally. We’re station-to-station, pray for a double in the gap team.
We sit and watch as other teams poke single after single over the infield and then we get up to bat, close our eyes and swing as hard as we can. That’s just not going to cut it.
Everyone in the batting order needs to try and hit for contact by cutting down on the “let’s get a homer” mentality.
Try and hit singles and the doubles in the gap will come.
sigh….
It would seem that Cleveland has Tampa’s number. Seattle has Minny’s. The Rangers has ours.
“Had we hung on to him 2 weeks longer he would have gotten his shot in NY again. How could we know we would be so desparate for starters at this point.”
dont be mistaken. there is a difference pitching against the DBacks, and pitching in the AL East.
he’s a nice story, but he’s just another Darrell Rasner, with less pure stuff.
Funny that Jeff Karstenns is now a good major league P.
“he’s a nice story, but he’s just another Darrell Rasner, with less pure stuff.”
That’s impossible. No one has softer stuff than DR.
It’s going to be a tough month ahead of us.
Karstens huh? Good for him. The pressure of pitching in Pittsburgh is basically nonexistent but still you have to wonder if we just slept on him. I thought he was as good as Rasner and the rest of the guys that pitched in last year. Have to believe he may have gotten his shot this weekend with us. I’m second guessing the Marte part of trade as I’m sure most are.
“That’s impossible. No one has softer stuff than DR.”
it’s possible. Karstens is Rasner with worse breaking stuff, but maybe a little better control.
SJ- Throwing in the towel again? You’re so predictable.
I actually think Rasner has better stuff then karstens also..
they are both AAAA anyway…
“I’m second guessing the Marte part of trade as I’m sure most are.”
couldnt disagree more.
“it’s possible. Karstens is Rasner with worse breaking stuff, but maybe a little better control.”
No. It’s not possible. DR is terrible and his stuff is worse. He couldn’t even hack it with Washington.
btw, the yankee game(if your not in NY) will be shown on ESPN tonight
Marte is our this years Gagne.
Imagine Boston gave them Bucholz for him like they asked?
Im wondering if the Yankees sent Joba to Andrews just to be sure. If it were up to me, Id have sent him too, just based on his importance to the future of the franchise. Is this a case of the Yankees playing it safe or a rotator cuff/labrum tear issue? We all hope its the former not the latter, but if it is a torn rotator cuff/labrum we may never see the same Joba Chamberlain.
i love whenever the games arent on YES..because unfortunetly i am stuck with Dish Network which is a YANKEE HATING organization
Last week Russo said that Karstans stinks. That is great analysis from a sports geek.
Good for Jeff he seems like a nice kid.
Rasner? Karstens?
Who gives a bloop?
They both stink.
Sabathia’s price just went up.
“This team just does not hit situationally.”
Absolutely correct.
The injuries are horrible. What I find even more frustrating is the way the healthy players play.
Cano and Melky seem to approach every at bat the wrong way. They don’t just kill rallies, they revitalize struggling pitchers by giving up 1 or 2-pitch outs.
Giambi refuses to help his team by hitting the ball the other way. It incenses m