Game 114: Yanks at Rangers (Joba on DL)
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 06, 2008 
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YANKEES (61-52)
Damon CF
Jeter GIDP
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez DH
Giambi 1B
Nady LF
Cano 2B
I. Rodriguez C
Betemit 3B
Ponson RHP
Sidney Ponson (6-2, 4.23) vs. the Texas hitters.
Tommy Hunter (0-0, 10.80) has never faced any of the New York hitters.
JOBA ON DL: Joba Chamberlain has been placed on the 15-day DL. RHP Chris Britton was recalled from AAA Scranton. More on this later as it develops.
No official word yet on what he has, but it sounds like it could be enough to end his season.
Notes: The Yankees have lost two straight and eight of their last 10. They are 1-4 against Texas. … The Yankees have fallen to 25-26 on the road, having lost three straight away from the Bronx. … Melky Cabrera has one RBI since July 9. … Bobby Abreu has hit safely in 8 games at 14 of 34 (.412).
OH CAPTAIN, MY CAPTAIN: Derek Jeter has grounded into 18 double plays, three of his career high of 21 established last season.
MLB’s GIDP leaders since the start of the 2007 season (through Tuesday)
V. Guerrero 41
D. Jeter 39
O. Hudson 39
B. Phillips 38
M. Tejada 37
D. Lee 37
IT’S THE PITCHING, STUPID: Yankees pitching over the last 10 games: 87.2 IP, 104 H, 71 ER, 43 BB, 69 K, 16 HR, 7.29 ERA.
KEEPING HIS FOCUS: Say this for A-Rod, he doesn’t get distracted. He has a 1.037 OPS since the Madonna/divorce story broke on July 2.
TIME TO ADJUST: Dave Robertson’s last 3 games: 4 6 8 8 6 7, 2 HR.
THE WALKING MAN: Robinson Cano walked three times yesterday. He had walked three times in his previous 162 plate appearances.
Back later with updates.
* * * * * JOBA UPDATE, 6:39 p.m. * * * * *
All the Yankees are saying for now is that Joba is on the DL. Brian Cashman is flying to New York from Oklahoma City (where he attended the Bobby Murcer Memorial Service) and all the information will come from him.
Girardi claimed to have no knowledge of what Dr. Andrews said.
As was first reported here yesterday, Ian Kennedy will be called up to start in Joba’s place. He will start Friday and Dan Giese on Saturday. Giese is likely to work an inning or two tonight in relief.
UPDATE, 6:47 p.m.: In case you missed it, Jeff Karstens took a perfect game for 7.2 innings against the Diamondbacks and settled for a two-hit shutout. Karstens also had two hits and scored (on a double by Doug Mientkiewicz).
Karstens was one of the four players traded to the Pirates for Marte and Nady. The Yankees had pretty much given up on him (with reason) and now he has pitched 15 scoreless innings in the NL.
“I was pitching well in Triple-A and I felt like I wasn’t going to go anywhere,” Karstens said after the game.
The Yankees were watching the game in the clubhouse and rooting for Jeff. Karstens is a good guy who caught a lot of bad breaks with the Yankees. Several Yankees (who shall remain nameless) found it amusing that he beat Randy Johnson.
* * * * * * * 7:21 p.m. UPDATE ON JOBA * * * * *
This from Brian Cashman via PR director Jason Zillo: Chamberlain has what is being described as rotator cuff tendinitis. He will be rested for “about a week” and then start a throwing program after being evaluated again.
He will return to New York.
Just for your own reference: “tendinitis” is often a nice way to say he has a little tear in his rotator cuff.
Joe Girardi said before the game he was optimistic Joba would play again this season. But a rotator cuff issue is nothing to mess around with. Don’t expect to see Chamberlain any time soon this season, if at all.
UPDATE, 7:49 p.m.: Try to keep in mind here that the Yankees tend to break bad news incrementally. Look at Wang and Posada just this season. Posada had a labrum tear in April and it was called “tendinitis.” His surgeon admitted it earlier this week.
My understanding is that Joba will not need surgery and can be rehabbed back into health. It’ll be interesting to see whether the Yankees take a chance and run him back out there this season.
UPDATE, 8:42 p.m.: Creative move by the umpires there to get it wrong for both teams. Either the Yankees had a double play or the Rangers scored a run. How that was just one out, I’m not sure.
UPDATE, 8:44 p.m.: Wow, what a collision there.
In other news, Chad Moeller cleared waivers today and was assigned to Scranton.
UPDATE, 8:48 p.m.: Molina for Pudge.
UPDATE, 9:21 p.m.: Pudge has a bruised right knee. No tests required. He’s day-to-day. Now that I actually believe.
UPDATE, 9:41 p.m.: Alex is now 0-9 in the series with three GIDPs. And you people give Jeter a hard time.
UPDATE, 10;24 p.m.: I have to admit, Sir Sidney did the job again tonight. 6.1 6 3 3 1 4 isn’t the prettiest line ever but its effective.
UPDATE, 10:49 p.m.: Mariano is warming up. He has not appeared in a game since Friday because of back spasms.
No Melky again?
Win tonight or the season is effectively over.
Robertson needs to get sent down and work on his control
Good stuff with Melky out of the lineup
I don’t want to see Melky start again.
I especially don’t want to ever see him pinch hit again.
Karstens – Perfect game through 5 in Arizona, ironically he is facing off against Randy Johnson.
Classy strip club ad’s here.
Mad Dog just had a 3 second spell of mental retardation while he watched the Pena bomb highlight…oh wait that’s just normal for him.
Interesting lineup…
By the end of tonight, we’ll be 7.5 GB in the division. That’s slightly pathetic, no?
Karstens scoreless innings to start NL career: 11 and counting
Jeff Karstens is pitching a perfect game thru 5, the d-backs hit like 5 rockets of him to center field all of them stayed were caught.
I hope we win 2night i really do, if we lose again who are you guys going to blame?? O thats right MELKY
jeter gidp? Peter did you have Brandon do the lineups for you?
“Tommy Hunter (0-0, 10.80) has never faced any of the New York hitters.”
Boy we are in trouble.
Alan August 6th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Win tonight or the season is effectively over.
Because it’s impossible to make up a 7 game deficit in 8 weeks. Just ask all of the Mets fans about last year…
“Karstens scoreless innings to start NL career: 11 and counting”
You couldn’t make some of this stuff up.
and we get to face Feldman again tomorrow…..
Damon could be very budy out there with Sidney on the mound.
We’re going to have to out-club them tonight, boys.
Karstens is a replica of Rasner. They always come up and start off strong for a couple games and proceed to take a nose dive. I wouldnt read too much into it.
“Karstens scoreless innings to start NL career: 11 and counting”
We should have asked for Bay, Nady & Marte in return.
Damon in center?? I’m not sure a greater indictment of Melky’s play exists.
Game 7 scenario tonight in Arlington.
I guess this season just was not meant to be. The injuries to key players seem to have piled up so much that we just can’t overcome it. Any team that loses Wang and Joba is gonna have major problems making the playoffs. Hopefully we can have IPK come up soon in Joba’s spot and give us some solid games and hold things together until Hughes is ready. Up until the Joba injury, it looked like we could hang in there and sneak into the playoffs. Unless Hughes and IPK can save our season, we just have to hope Joba doesn’t need surgery and can be vintage 98 MPH fastball Joba come spring training and start from the beginning with a healthy Wang, Joba, Hughes and Kennedy.
Jeff Karstens has a perfect game through five at Wrigley.
Torre after winning 4 rings was untouchable
Jeter after winning 4 rings gets GIDP as his position.
Utter BS
any reason for the Arod dh?
at Arizona*************
cano he didnt- Girardi said he wanted to get a bunch of different players games as DH.
THE WALKING MAN: Robinson Cano walked three times yesterday. He had walked three times in his previous 162 plate appearances.
whoa
If Karstens throws a no hitter that would be awesome.
Hmmm. Washburn and Ponson lining up again. Hopefully they both have great games.
I officially hate Tampa.
To Peter
Does Jeter realize that stat? Does he acknowledge it or are reporters not asking him about it because he might not take too kindly to the question?
I d love to know if anyone has asked him about it
I think Girardi is using the weak link in the lineup to give some players a day of rest and in Christian’s case, a chance to play. It’s a good move. The Yanks have few days off in the near term.
Robertson pitched fine last night. Better than fine actually. If Bruney does his job (and gets 1 out) it wouldnt even be an issue.
Torre after winning 4 rings was booted out of town, thank you very much
cano he didnt,
My guess is to rest A Rod in the brutal heat.
lets hope this is the beginning of the end for Melky as the starting CF for the Yanks.On Robertson,struck out 4 guys last night Hamilton,Young,Kinsler,I forget who else.If Bruney does his job Robertson gives up on hit no runs.His line looks bad because of the grand slam he gave up against the Angels in the blow out game on thursday.No the kid is pitching good One bad outing in his career he what send him down.Look at his K rate the most important stat for a reliver.
Freddy Garcia.WAshburn.Arroyo.
Karstens doing well for the Pirates so far.
What are we basing the statement “it sounds like it could be enough to end [Joba's] season” on? Is there any information to support this statement as of yet? If it is true and Joba is out for the season, you have to think that the Yankees are “out for the season” as well. You can’t go with Pettitte and Mussina and pray for rain. Moreover, I would say that neither Pettitte and Mussina are true number 1 starters, and other teams do have true number 1 starters.
“Bobby Abreu has hit safely in 8 games at 14 of 34 (.412).”
Is there a way to hit unsafely in a game?
“Does Jeter realize that stat? Does he acknowledge it or are reporters not asking him about it because he might not take too kindly to the question?
I d love to know if anyone has asked him about it”
Jeter is just like Tiger Woods – he knows all of his stats, he understands where he is at any given moment and he pounces on any reporter who gives him crap.
The Yankees being the Yankees, they’ll keep on fighting even if Joba is down for the season.
If Joba is down for the season, however, I think we as fans have to come to grips with the fact that this may well be the year the Yanks don’t reach the playoffs (it’s always been likely that this is that year, what with injuries to Posada, Matsui, A-Rod for a month, Phil Hughes, CMW and now Joba).
Even if the Yankees can be brought low by Job-like injuries, and I fault nobody for that…..
Carryover from prior thread. Really like what Maddon did today:
Quick kudos to Joe Maddon down in Tampa. He doesn’t screw around. Benches Upton for dogging it on a play, despite being in the heat of a pennant race. Scoscia is the league’s best manager, but his former right hand is the AL Manager of the Year.
Yeah I don’t worry about Robertson coming out of the bullpen, although last night it was frustrating that he struck out 4 straight guys but then lost the plate. It might have been a situation where he ran out of gas, and Girardi stayed with him too long…but I don’t know. Overall, though, seeing him pitch, those numbers look worse than he actually has thrown save for the game he gave up the GS.
Karstens perfect through 6. What a performance.
18 up, 18 down for Karstens.
We all know how this will end.
Karstens will take a no hitter into the 9th and get the 1st 2 outs, with the Pirates lading 1-0.
Then he will allow a bloop single on an 0-2 pitch and Hansen will try to come in to get the last out and save it.
Instead, he will allow a 2 run walkoff HR to Micha Owings.
TKinDC,
Other than Melky, is there anyone in the Yankee’s lineup that you would not want to have up with a man on base? Derek is hurting the Yanks this year with his lack of run production, slugging % and GIDP’s. Those are the facts and I’m sure no one is more disappointed than Derek Jeter. There’s no harm in stating it.
Karstens told his wife on the way to Pittsburgh, “I’m going to make them look silly.”
Still like the deal. Karstens wouldn’t didn’t have a future here. And that Nady guy’s pretty good.
Andy
Moose
Pontoon
IPK
Razz/Giese
.
Good night, Irene ! :-0
Karstens perfect through 6
Hawkins is pitching right now for houston…
Our rotation has officially hit rock bottom…..we are toast…really….toast
F*** ARROYO !
And what is it w/ GI Jou and his love for Jason in the #5 spot IT’S NOT WORKING !!!!
Jeter GIDP
that was awesome lol
Obviously this is just wild speculation, but where do you guys see the CF situation next year? A lot of members of this board seem to feel that AJax will be ready to step in midseason but I really think that assumes a lot. (Ans some people think he will break spring training as the starting CF, but thats just ridiculus.)
Besides 1B there are 0 spots open in the lineup this offseason (assuming Posada can catch). So besides 1B and starting pitching, which are holes to fill, CF is the one area the team can really improve. There is not really a whole lot on the free agent market and trading for a decent center fielder seems like a waste with AJax on the horizon in 2010 so it seems like the Yanks are content to let Melky hold it down until then. I guess i’m ok with that as well. But what about this? Rocco Baldelli is a free agent this offseason and still only 26 years old right now. If, obviously a big IF, his current treatments can overcome his mystery ailments do you think it would be worth taking a shot on him for a minor league (say 4-6 mil a year if it takes that) deal to see if he can come back. If he can realise even a part of his potential he would be an upgrade over melky and it would really be a situation with huge upside and little risk. If everything went well, after holding down center for a little while he could move to a corner outfield spot once Jackson comes up and damon/nady are on the way out. Anyway, probably never going to happen but just thought I would throw that out there.
“And what is it w/ GI Jou and his love for Jason in the #5 spot IT’S NOT WORKING !!!!”
Told ya.
Is this a “trial run” for Damon back in Center? If he plays well in center it really helps the lineup. You get Melky out, you have Christian to pinch run, and you can be more durable with the DH spot.
Yankee fans can take solace in the fact that neither Coco Crisp or Jacoby Ellsbury can hit their way out of a paper bag this season…
You guys think Joba is done for the season. I am getting ton of reports form everywhere. Some say his fine and others say his gone for the season….
What is it!??!?!?!?!? I am going crazy here ALALKALAKLA
Off topic,
Can Andy be pitching for a spot in next years team? He has had 2 straight sub par outings and probably has about 9 more left. What e.r.a. do you guys think is it going to take for Pettitte to be welcomed back next year?
How ’bout that tough Arizona lineup that Karstens is mowing down? 5 through 9 their batting averages are .247,.223, .257,242 and .091 Not exactly like pitching in the American League.
i’m still waiting for anyone to explain the pudge/melky decision last night.
Leading the league in GIDP only means that the people in front of that guy are getting on base. Really it is a stupid stat and I don’t pay attention to such things. Maybe Pete thinks they should remove #2 from his uniform and replace it with GIDP
Like anything else in life, come through when they need you and you are a hero. Screw up and you suck….
Karstens Watch:
17 in a row
“Classy strip club ad’s here.”
the whole atmosphere is eroding…
Insane number of posts last evening: Last night was a big game…can’t handle much more of these headaches the day after a loss.
Karstens Watch:
19 in a row*
1 out in the 7th as drew fouled out
Melky out again and Austin Jackson playing some left field in AA. Sounds to me like the Yankees are getting ready to maybe bring him up and be flexible, but I’m always reading into things too much.
you think karstens is doing well. alberto gonz is hitting .400 + for washington
With Joba done, we are officially screwed. This sucks.
We need more wins then the Jays, I have a 4 figure bet on us having a better record. I am a little worried…
“Is there a way to hit unsafely in a game?”
Are you unaware of the current maple bat controversy?
and karstens was supposed to be the throw in/4th player in the deal…. and he already is dominating.
imagine if mccutchen becomes a good #2 starter, ohlendorf harnesses his stuff, and Tabata turns it around?
the trade could rival Lariano/Nathan for AJ Pierzynski.
AROD is continung to prove 07 was an aberration as his inability to respond in the clutch is ongoing. Last night in the 9th inning in which he hit, rather weakly, into the double play to end the game, is demonstrable. Unfortunately, if reliance is placed on Madonna’s guy when the chips are down, consistent winning is not in the cards, as is securing a berth in the playoffs.
Karstens perfect game through 7.1 innings
LOL Turn on SNY… Gusipee Franco is doing a live interview with the guys from DNL.
Drive 4-5
I have concerns about many Yankees “Other than Melky” as you put it.
I would tend to go by the numbers, unless my eyes are telling me the numbers are wrong.
“Karstens Watch: 17 in a row”
Wish we had a pitcher like that.
Hudson K’s, 2 outs!
Karstens Watch:
20 in a row
6.2 my mistake
Hughes Dynasty – It’s been a few weeks since the trade has been made. Settle down.
Absolutely sick pitching from Karstens today…Conor Jackson goes down and he’s 6 outs away.
radnom,
Taking a flier on Rocco Baldelli is an interesting idea. He’d have to accept a minor league contract though. He could be a good addition to an organization that has a dearth of outfield prospects.
I think you forgot that the Yanks may have a hole to fill in right field if they dont bring Abreu back.
Karstens Watch:
21 in a row
LOL Karstens is not that good… stop getting caught up, the Minnesota trade please…if anything this fair well for better prospects like Kontos and Jones
Karstens. Wow. Just wow
Pefecto through 7!
MoBoy(aka McLovin) said at 5:03 pm “Freddy Garcia.WAshburn.Arroyo.”
Say Cashman makes one of the three happen between now and August 31st, specifically Washburn (Garcia needs time to get MLB ready; Arroyo is erratic in a goofy Spicoli sort of way).
What do you fantasy leaguers suggest he send to the trading team? Are you going to suggest BC send Seattle that same old “B-” prospect they wouldn’t budge from in July, in exchange for Washburn and his contract?
Let’s see – most venom directed at Jeter, the pillar of a dynasty and one of the all-time great Yankees, and A-Rod, the greatest active player. yet everyone here showers love on drug cheats Giambi and Pettitte. That’s class.
84 pitches, perfect through 7.
lol if karsten throw a perfect game today, cashman probably get fire immediately ………..
although I do wish him luck
Karsten is sleeping with the fishes – he’s dead to us.
Wow. Karstens is perfect through 7 at Arizona. Did he have an arm transplant on his plan ride to Pittsburgh?
We’re definitely living in bizarro baseball world, with tampa in first place and jeff karstens pitching a perfect game through 7 innings.
karstens still perfect through 7
I hope Karstens gets those last 6 outs after what he went through last season. Yes, it sucks that he’s doing it another team, but most Yankee fans didn’t care he was in the Nady package when it was done so what is done is done.
Go Karstens!
Come on, ESPN.
YOU’D CUT AWAY FROM FREAKIN’ AROUND THE HORN IF BRETT FAVRE WAS TRADED.
But nooooooo, Karstens throwing a perfect game is nothing. Bull.
Wow.
Karstens has 13 scoreless innings against the Cubs and D’Backs (2 best teams in the NL) on the road…
Bizarro world. Even Randy is looking good.
LOL Turn on SNY… Gusipee Franco is doing a live interview with the guys from DNL.
I just turned this on.
LOL What the hell is this?
“IT’S THE PITCHING, STUPID”
Peter Abraham – I have to show some appreciation. I so appreciate your wit & play on words (no sarcasm here)…I’ve always loved that line!
Ode to James Carville, I think…or was it a Bubba original?
Karstens is also 2-3 (both singles) off Big Unit
Not a problem, the teams will be lining up to trade with us. We’ll have to pick and choose players that we want.
karstens 2-3 off the big unit!
i don’t understand why everybody keep blaming melky for everything while he’s making the least amount in the lineup. If we base on dollar per hit analysis melky probably is better than arod, jeter, etc
Cody, when Lackey had a no-no through 8, then they decided to show the 9th!
No pinch runner for Karstens. Go, go, go!
and i also say get minky back next year!
I guarantee you Joel Sherman right now is saying WHO ?
“You mean Jeff “Ratface” Karstens ? WTF ?
Karstens is also 2-3 (both singles) off Big Unit
We really are in the twilight zone aren’t we?
can these last few days get any worse? now karstens is pitching a no hitter, hilarious.
I have seen it all this year and now with karstens perfect thru 7.. I think he was in the Yankee system like 3 years and he did not show much at all.
Baseball is a head shaker.. Karstens they said in SWB had a 207 or so BA against with the bases empty and like 350 with runners on..
His #’s at SWB were nice but not earth shattering.. Unbeleivable..
Karstens can even run from second base and not come up limping. Wang should’ve taken lessons.
The D’backs have no hitting. Not taking away form what Karstens is doing, but they are NOT a good hitting team.
Karstens has been drinking his milk and calcium rich ovaltine
karstens is pitching in the national league. that simple.
jeter’s definitely having an off year, but the dude’s still hitting .280. i’m not saying he deserves a free pass, but the amount of bile spewed at him this season is insane. no wonder yankee fans get a rep for being a spoiled, fickle bunch. does anybody remember the ’80s and ’90s? jeter is a sure-thing hall-of-famer who was instrumental in the franchise’s resurgence. yeah, i’d love to see him come through more often than he has this year but pardon me if i don’t think the guy’s earned the right to an off year.
stuart Karstens was nearing bum status ..IDK now a part of me said sure what the hell call up Kei Igawa
Eyechart knocks in Karstens.
Jeter is not helping the team that’s for sure. He’s due for an extension and he’s killing his chances of getting that big paycheck…Favre, I mean, Jeter needs to step it up.
Haha, Russo is watching it in the studio. Damn, they should move the camera up a little bit so we can see.
Cody,
you mean Arod and Jeter need to LEARN from Karsten as well? I remember both of em land on DL from running bases…
Is IPK gonna get a call up this weekend?
and Karstens singles and comes around on a Minky double… maybe the Yankees should have been trying Karstens in CF
I take it back, MoBoy(aka McLovin) and Bo Knows and anyone else who responded.
Or rather, maybe the Yankees can take Washburn before they see his last 2 games. He’s officially turned into a pumpkin.
Man how did the Mets lose to Arizona… I mean Jeff Karstens
espn.com:
“New Pirate Karstens flirting with perfect game”
Surprised they didn’t use “Ex-Yankee Karstens flirting with perfect game”
Screw, YES. They moved the camera down even more.
what inning is it for the Pirates now?
I just looked at Karstens #’s with the yanks they were not real pretty.. he avg. giving up about 1 HR every 6 innings..
This game is humbling, so unpredicatable, yeah AZ cannot hit but perfecto is pretty damn special..
WOW.
top 8th just ended
Karen-
Hey if Settle wanted a crappy B prospect I’ll do it.Freddy needs time but at least we don’t have to give up anybody.And Arroyo pitches in a major hitters park.As a lefty Yankee stadium is a better stadium for lefties,
Yes these guys aren’t great.But do you think Giese,Ponson,Kennedy can pitch in the streach.THey “will” not maybe “will” get bombed.
Forget Wang,Pavano,Melchon,Alfredo and Hughes(at least till September).These guys can’t help us.
Brandon – What is the deal with Humberto Sanchez? Is he from your neighborhood too? The press made it sound like he was Bronx born and bred.
Heading to the bottom of the 8th, Ed.
i wonder why ESPN isn’t airing it? thought they would air games like this?
Brandon – What is the deal with Humberto Sanchez? Is he from your neighborhood too? The press made it sound like he was Bronx born and bred.
Humberto is from the Bronx
Eye Chart drives in Karstens… what is this an interleague game from 2007? No… it’s bizarro world – AKA the National League.
going to the bottom of the 8th in arizona
Wow, so Karstens is amazing. Why did they have to give him up????? They need a pitcher, he could have filled that void. Absolutely ridiculous.
Cashman: Not. A. Good. Evaluator. of. Pitching.
7.1 perfect
Karstens Watch:
22 in a row
Tracy flies out, 1 out!
come onnn we have to win today, i mean RICHIE SEXSON hit a grand slam last night!!! and wasnt it off a RHP? if i didnt see it i definately would have laughed in your face if you told me
that has to be a sign of good things to come
i like the line up we have today and everyone of them is capable of helping this team
now i have to prepare myself for the twilight zone called PONSANITY!
i clicked the mlb.tv link and the game came up for FREE
You guys are nuts. It’s only two starts for Karstens. This guy is not the next Liriano.
BTW – Tabata has 2 HRs and a double in the GCL in 3 games, and a 1.722 OPS.
If Karstens throws a no hitter the Yankees are winning the world series this year.
“August 6th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Let’s see – most venom directed at Jeter, the pillar of a dynasty and one of the all-time great Yankees, and A-Rod, the greatest active player”
it’s called truth. And arod is not great.
7.2 perfect
Karstens Watch:
23 in a row
Is this the LoHud Karstens Blog, LoHud Former-Yankees Blog, or what?
No, I’m kidding. I was the first to say this wasn’t a great trade. Fuentues is far better than Marte, and although Nady is good, he basically went for four prospects. Marte won’t be good.
Karstens was always ahead of Rasner… that’s what bothers me about this.
Go Karstens!! 4 outs away!!
hey a little off topic, but i am getting the dish network at my new house and i realized they dont have the yes network when i was at my girlfriends house the other night. NO yankees game on any channel. i saw it on one channel but it said it didnt come in in my area. anyone else have this problem?
go Karstens.
Reynolds Grounds out, 2 outs!
saucy, its free because history in the making.
SHHHH DONT TALK ABOUT IT.
Wasn’t everyone in the organization high on Karstens coming into this season after his performance with Team USA (I believe)? Then he got injured and and was pitching well in the minors then the trade happened… if the Joba/Rasner/Ponson dillema had come to a head 2-3 weeks earlier, I’m thinking Karstens would be starting for NYY.
BTW – Tabata has 2 HRs and a double in the GCL in 3 games, and a 1.722 OPS.
close call for Karstens right there
Mlb showing free live look in!
wow – i for one feel good for karstens, hope he gets it
Jeff Karstens…
*shakes head*
I hope he gets it. I also feel completely fine with getting rid of him. He is what he is.
Like I said, CF in that Pittsburgh stadium must be 1,000 ft or something…
Wow Karstens-4 more outs dude
there it goes.
Kasey,
Great Springsteen clip on my blog (if interested).
Base hit to left.
Perfect game over
that’s it!
ok I can breathe now
no more……
Well he was doing great, Chris Young double ends bid for perfection
Rasner had better numbers in the minors this year than Karstens… didn’t Rasner have a 0.95 ERA in 5 starts?
question:
did joe torre mix up the line up everyday as joe Girardi does??
damn—they just got a hit off karstens—but good luck kid
nooooooo!!!!!
nice job, Jeff.
oh no. and there it goes.
But good for him!! He’s doing great with the Pirates.
“The Yankees being the Yankees, they’ll keep on fighting even if Joba is down for the season.”
Really? As opposed to other teams that just shut down after a key injury. Hmm, interesting. I love hearing about yankee super powers!
That sucks. I was really rooting for him.
Young w/a shot down the line…I bet he loses the shutout with a 2 run bomb here pretty soon. I agree with whoever said he’s like Rasner…good at first, then a crappy 5th starter thereafter.
still a 1 hitter through 8!
what a shame.
hopefully, he will continue to help pitt.
Tough break for Karstens. I was pulling for him.
Not only was Karstens perfect – he’d only thrown 88 pitches to get the first 23 outs.
He’d only thrown 12-13 pitches an inning.
The national league is unbelievable, especially the NL west. They just can’t hit. It’s borderline minor league ball out there in terms of offense.
Imagine getting a perfect game thrown against you and you let the pitcher only throw 12 pitches an inning through 8.
I’d love to hear what lohud posters would think about that kind of plate patience!
If anyone could break it up, Chris Young would be the one.
Shutout still intact, though.
Does anyone here know the status of Alfredo Aceves? I’m really getting anxious to see him pitch. Is he still on the DL?
Just wondering… when does Karstens hit free agency? lol.
He’s been pitching, but not terribly well since he got off the DL.
National League. All you need to know.
Gotta win tonite!
karstens performaces with Pitt = proof teams get up for playing the yankees.
I wish him well.
By the way – it’s actually a very good thing for the yankees if guys like Karstens do well.
If guys they’ve traded do well then that says something about the quality of the yankees system and its depth.
That will only help the team making trades in the future.
Karstens was never going to be more than a long man on this team – and even in that role he didn’t do very well.
It’s good to see him get an opportunity.
I’m not rooting for these guys they traded to turn into superstars – but if they become decent players who can stick in the majors that will only help the yankees.
Jeff Karstens doing well only increases the trade value of Jeff Marquez and Darrell Rasner.
Karen
If Washburn is claimed by us, Seattle can dump the remainder of his contract on us, which is now possible since his last outing against Baltimore he gave up 6 runs in 4.2 innings.
They can try and work a trade with us, but if it’s one of our players on the 40 man roster they have to clear waivers.
Or they can pull him back and therefore he can’t be put on waivers for 30 more days. If put on waivers sooner, it becomes irrevocable.
Here’s a possible lefty who has one of the most lucrative contracts with little production-Mike Hampton. he pitched 7 inning last night and gave up 2 runs. Yes it was against the Giants. he had a hit or two also, and I never liked him, but I’m sure he’d clear waivers. he could be the 5th starter and pinch hit occasionally!!
uhh… just read a post from lohud yankee blog. joba is on 15 day dl, and likely out for season. also wang has about 10% chance to make it back before playoffs start.
that means the yankees rotation looks a lil something like this
Mike Moose
Andy Petme
Dan Giese
Darrell Rasnuts
Drunken Ponson
Wow, I hate to say it… But we are DOOMED with this rotation as it stands. Absolutely NO WAY yankees contend in playoffs with these 5 bums.. lol
via CJ: Phil Hughes was officially added to the roster in Britton’s place.
Aceves is not the answer. Unless pitching not very well in AAA qualifies you to be good in the majors.
its great for Karstens
EVERY pitcher would love to pitch in the NL
Look at the players who still have jobs in that league
all you need to know is Latroy pitched a shutout inning today for the stros, and k’d 3. his ERA is 0.00 for the stros. I am not sure how many innings it has been but assume it is just a few outings..
again who could believe what they are seeing…
clay,
checked the springsteen clip. killer version of that tune.
This hurt me today
I never saw another logo next to his name
WHy aren’t we getting any updates on Joba.
Ojeda walks
And yet, in a short series, if an NL team has a lights-out ace (or 2), at least one impact slugger, and a reliable closer, it can win a World Series. See Florida and St. Louis. But, top to bottom, the National League is so inferior that life-long NL commentators don’t bother to defend the league anymore. And these are the same guys who, before the Yankees in 1996, looked down their noses at the AL.
brandon – i agree, cant believe we have up on him so soon. he was ready to break out.
marte better turn it around soon too.
The Jobagate info embargo is another case of Al Yankazeera at its finest. Sometimes they just seem so out of touch with the fan base. We’ve spoiled them so much over this run I think they really take the fans for granted. Whatever. I’m sure I’ll still be salivating like one of Pavlov’s dogs when they open the gates next year.
The passing of Jim Kaat’s wife is sad. Cancer sure took its toll on the broadcast booth in July. Kaat was one of the best we’ve had. A real straight shooter who didn’t walk the company line over at YES. Another travesty.
My question to the Yankees would be; If you are not able to provide the fans with a quality team, what other reasons do we have for sticking around?
“Melky Cabrera has one RBI since July 9″
Wow. That’s some staggering failure right there. And worse news about Joba. ugh. I want to know what the MRI showed already. The longer the public doesnt hear about it, the worse I fear it is.
Meanwhile this game really does not bode well for us, a nondescript starter with crappy numbers who we’ve never seen before, Sir Sid pitching in a high stakes (for him personally and the team) game, Betemit starting at 3b… just bad news all around.
DP, 2 outs!
Kasey,
That move (Melky instead of Pudge) was a head scratcher for me as well.
Either way though, this team has too many issues to make a playoff push the rest of the way. We are so far beyond questioning in game moves or the lineup. That train has left the station.
You watch this team every night and you just don’t see “it”. “It” being a team that plays like a playoff team.
Take out their 8 game winning streak after the break and they are one game over .500 for the season. For most of this season, they have played like a .500 team. Realistically, that’s probably what they are at this point.
I know folks think the Yankees can overcome everything simply because they are the Yankees. However, at some point, you have to look at this team objectively and ask, “is it a playoff team and does it play like one every night”?
I don’t think any of us can objectively answer “yes” to the above questions.
Some of it have been injuries. You can’t lose guys like Wang, Posada, Matsui, Hughes and Chamberlain and just say, “injuries happen to everybody”. Yes, injuries happen to everybody but, rarely to this degree. Especially, the season ending injuries to Wang, Matsui and Posada. Those are killers. I don’t expect Joba to pitch the rest of the year either. You don’t replace those guys on the team with players that come close to their levels of play.
Some of it has been the lack of the younger guys to take it up a notch and contribute consistently this year. Hughes and Kennedy, who began the year as the #4 and #5 starters on this staff, are winless at the major league level this year. Who saw that coming in March?
Melky and Cano have regressed. Melky to such a degree that his time as an everyday CF is probably coming to an end. Cano to the extent that the Yankees will have to give real thought about his future in Pinstripes after this season.
If he is back, he’s going to have to really work on his focus issues. Perhaps they move him to the middle of the order and force him to focus more. For such a talented kid, he makes a lot of mental errors in the field and wastes an awful lot of AB’s.
Next year will be his 5th season in the major leagues. The question the Yankees will have to ask themselves is, “will this kid mature and be the kind of player they thought he was when they committed over 30 million bucks to him”. That’s a very legitimate question to ask about him right now and there isn’t an easy answer to it at this time.
Again, who saw that coming in March?
The veterans have also underperformed. Only Damon, Arod and Abreu have even come close to posting the kind of numbers you are looking for from guys with a lot of pedigree in the game.
If you look at the entire year to date, Damon, Arod, Abreu (offensively, not defensively), Mo and Moose have been the only veteran players to truly play up to or exceed their levels this season.
The young kids in the ‘pen, Robertson, Ramirez and Veras have also done a nice job.
When you add it up, that’s 8 players who have played up to or exceeded their potential this year. 32% of the roster.
Find me a playoff team in recent years that only had 32% of its roster performing at high levels through a season. You can’t because it doesn’t exist. Most playoff teams have at least half their roster performing at high levels. Some as high as 65-70%. None have guys performing at 32% of their levels and are playoff teams.
I saw in another thread somebody talking about chemistry. The problem with this team isn’t chemistry. The chemistry is actually quite good for such a mix of players. The problem is, its an old, injured team in transition. Almost half of the Opening Day Roster is gone right now. Whether its by injury, demotions or trades, that’s a big in-season turnover. That smacks of a transition year to me.
The big thing right now is for this team to compete hard the rest of the way. If you lose, you lose but, compete. Not competing is inexcusable. If guys slack off, those are the guys you don’t want back next year. No matter who they are.
You find out more about your team when they are losing than you do when they are winning.
They also need to get some good news from Dr. Andrews. If Joba doesn’t need surgery, that’s good news. If he does, its the worst possible news.
There is no such thing as “minor” shoulder surgery, no matter how its spun by people. That’s why I’m really hoping for the best and he can rehab his injury with rest and exercise like Papelbon did in 2006.
“The Jobagate info embargo is another case of Al Yankazeera at its finest. Sometimes they just seem so out of touch with the fan base. We’ve spoiled them so much over this run I think they really take the fans for granted. Whatever. I’m sure I’ll still be salivating like one of Pavlov’s dogs when they open the gates next year.”
Al Yankazeera is right and too funny lol.
“Melky Cabrera has one RBI since July 9″
Melky Cabrera in July = EPIC FAIL
Well I’m gone see you guys later, maybe the Yankees can…oh forget it, later.
The loss of Joba means that we should NOT claim Washburn when he goes on waivers. Right now the rotation has virtually zero chance of winning a playoff series. Adding Washburn gives us a slight improvement to the back-end of the rotation. In other words, it’s rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Then we’re stuck with Washburn’s salary as he clogs a roster spot next season.
I don’t see any way to transform the rotation we have now into a playoff-caliber rotation. Washburn, Kennedy, Pavano, Garcia, Zambrano, etc. won’t do it. These guys are fill-ins (at best), not saviors. And the worst part is we need TWO saviors right now to make up for the loss of both Joba and Wang.
I hope someone has a great suggestion about revamping the rotation because I’m feeling pretty discouraged right now.
Rasner and LaTroy doing well.
Only Farnsy is living up to everyone’s expectations.
drew singles!
Maybe we haven’t gotten any word on Joba, because unless he consents, it would be a HIPAA violation!!
What would a day after a loss be without a 100,000 word SJ44 post about nothing?
karstens CG, 2 Hitter
Ok now I got to go home. Later people.
Wow, a two-hitter by Karstens. Niiiiice!
WHO IS THIS KARSTENS CHARACTER?!@
hahahahahaa
Washburn?
I’d rather go down in flames with the overrated Kennedy.
2 hit CG for Ace karstens..Unbelieivable…
Who knew Jeff Karstens for Marte would be such a mismatch.
Maybe Joba will just have a case of biceps tendonitis.
Maybe Karstens should have got another shot here.
Perhaps the blackout on Joba is because the Yankee F.O. is attempting to obtain a pitcher through waivers.
The fact that no information was released means there is nothing positive…
“The veterans have also underperformed. Only Damon, Arod and Abreu have even come close to posting the kind of numbers you are looking for”
SJ: you can leave arod off. Numbers don’t tell everything. He shrinks when it matters. You talk often, of this lineup under-performing. From my view, Arod and Jeter are at the core of it.
“Either way though, this team has too many issues to make a playoff push the rest of the way. We are so far beyond questioning in game moves or the lineup. That train has left the station.”
SJ –
I do think that statement does ring a bit too closely to some of the unfair criticism thrown at you by the trolls.
The team had issues, and now they’ve got even more issues. Those issues may be insurmountable, but the games have not been played yet. A run, with the players we’ve got now, may not be probable, but it’s certainly not impossible.
If you don’t hold out at least some smidgen of belief, while still accepting the fact that it may not happen, there’s no reason to watch the games, post on the blog, etc.
Let’s play the games. Let go Yanks!
“Jeremy
August 6th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
The loss of Joba means that we should NOT claim Washburn when he goes on waivers. Right now the rotation has virtually zero chance of winning a playoff series. Adding Washburn gives us a slight improvement to the back-end of the rotation. In other words, it’s rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic”
exactly. At this time, thankful Cashman did not trade for him. Don’t need him, next year.
I’m in denial still, but perhaps the cold dank reality that SJ just painted very well may prove to be true…I hold out that Hughes is going to make a major impact when he returns in two weeks….Kennedy if he starts Sunday will have heavy self imposed pressure come game time….Not only will he be returning to the Bigs, but friends , family and former opposing coaches will be there….He could be the silent key to October….Anything similar to last September’s callup will make October play a reality….But it does look clouded right now…..Too much talent on the squad…..
“2 hit CG for Ace karstens..Unbelieivable…”
He’s facing NL hitting. If he did it against an AL lineup, then I’d be impressed.
Last nights game was a TPG (Tipping Point Game) where the team plays so badly theat even its most devoted fans turn on them. You know, it happens to the Mets once or twice per season.
I was there myself but have decided to give them, and myself a one game reprieve.
MLL- before you bust in your shorts why dont you wait and see how he pitches the rest of the season for them, Clay Bukholz got his no hitter, and what has he done since? nothing! plus karstens didnt do much for the yanks anyway..NADY IS THE MAN
Vinny
I agree with you. Arod needs a mental shift. He wilts under pressure, perhaps he expects too much of himself. Self being the operative word.
Brandon-
That article also said Garcia had his shoulder surgery last August, already one year and still not ready. It was labrum surgery performed by Dr. Andrews.
If this does tuen out to be a torn labrum, was it from the frequent number of curveballs and the heat that contributed to the injury?
You can’t have seller’s remorse with Karstens. He had no future here. Did he not get us Nady? Yes, I’m leaving out Marte until he’s back in our good graces.
So who’s throwing in the towel on our playoff chances as of now?
Fantastic game pitched by Karstens. Good for him.
Had we hung on to him 2 weeks longer he would have gotten his shot in NY again. How could we know we would be so desparate for starters at this point.
“Perhaps the blackout on Joba is because the Yankee F.O. is attempting to obtain a pitcher through waivers. The fact that no information was released means there is nothing positive…”
i totally agree in the sense that the minute Girardi started walking to the mound to get to Joba, Cashman was on the phone for a potential replacement.
i dont think the blackout is related to the pickup of a pitcher, tho, because every team in the league knew from the moment he grabbed his shoulder the yanks would be calling.
i think they just arent releasing any info bc thats how they do things.
SJ good post even though others think differently..
moose has definitley exceeding expectations and veras, damon and mo have played well after that you need to be an easy grader to give these guys a good grade…
the good news is the pen hs a ton of good arms for next year.. they need to try to get something out of Hughes this year to see if he can be what they hope..
They have Nady for next year which will give them some options for the outfield. I do not bring back all 3 of damon, matsui, or abreu.. if the yresign abreu(I am not for that) they need to trae either Matsui or Damn.. I rather they just let Abreu go…Nady can play RF…
Melky is really on shaky ground they are starting Damon in CF tonight. Melky and Cano are not smart hitters, Cno can get away with it sometimes because he is so talented but overall this is a definite underacheiving operation..
If they do not make the playoffs maybe it will allow management to really eliminate a lot of guys and start anew.. Really does Pettitte deserve to come back??? I will wait to the end of the season but he has not been great this year and to me Moose is too risky to bring back unelss it is for 1 yr. and much lower money if he finishes the year well..
Agreed re: ARod and Jeter. ARod’s numbers are SOFT. Jeter is a GIDP machine, and he kills more rally’s these days than most anyone.
This team just does not hit situationally. We’re station-to-station, pray for a double in the gap team.
We sit and watch as other teams poke single after single over the infield and then we get up to bat, close our eyes and swing as hard as we can. That’s just not going to cut it.
Everyone in the batting order needs to try and hit for contact by cutting down on the “let’s get a homer” mentality.
Try and hit singles and the doubles in the gap will come.
sigh….
It would seem that Cleveland has Tampa’s number. Seattle has Minny’s. The Rangers has ours.
“Had we hung on to him 2 weeks longer he would have gotten his shot in NY again. How could we know we would be so desparate for starters at this point.”
dont be mistaken. there is a difference pitching against the DBacks, and pitching in the AL East.
he’s a nice story, but he’s just another Darrell Rasner, with less pure stuff.
Funny that Jeff Karstenns is now a good major league P.
“he’s a nice story, but he’s just another Darrell Rasner, with less pure stuff.”
That’s impossible. No one has softer stuff than DR.
It’s going to be a tough month ahead of us.
Karstens huh? Good for him. The pressure of pitching in Pittsburgh is basically nonexistent but still you have to wonder if we just slept on him. I thought he was as good as Rasner and the rest of the guys that pitched in last year. Have to believe he may have gotten his shot this weekend with us. I’m second guessing the Marte part of trade as I’m sure most are.
“That’s impossible. No one has softer stuff than DR.”
it’s possible. Karstens is Rasner with worse breaking stuff, but maybe a little better control.
SJ- Throwing in the towel again? You’re so predictable.
I actually think Rasner has better stuff then karstens also..
they are both AAAA anyway…
“I’m second guessing the Marte part of trade as I’m sure most are.”
couldnt disagree more.
“it’s possible. Karstens is Rasner with worse breaking stuff, but maybe a little better control.”
No. It’s not possible. DR is terrible and his stuff is worse. He couldn’t even hack it with Washington.
btw, the yankee game(if your not in NY) will be shown on ESPN tonight
Marte is our this years Gagne.
Imagine Boston gave them Bucholz for him like they asked?
Im wondering if the Yankees sent Joba to Andrews just to be sure. If it were up to me, Id have sent him too, just based on his importance to the future of the franchise. Is this a case of the Yankees playing it safe or a rotator cuff/labrum tear issue? We all hope its the former not the latter, but if it is a torn rotator cuff/labrum we may never see the same Joba Chamberlain.
i love whenever the games arent on YES..because unfortunetly i am stuck with Dish Network which is a YANKEE HATING organization
Last week Russo said that Karstans stinks. That is great analysis from a sports geek.
Good for Jeff he seems like a nice kid.
Rasner? Karstens?
Who gives a bloop?
They both stink.
Sabathia’s price just went up.
“This team just does not hit situationally.”
Absolutely correct.
The injuries are horrible. What I find even more frustrating is the way the healthy players play.
Cano and Melky seem to approach every at bat the wrong way. They don’t just kill rallies, they revitalize struggling pitchers by giving up 1 or 2-pitch outs.
Giambi refuses to help his team by hitting the ball the other way. It incenses me that teams can still shift on him after all this team. How many outs has he given away by doing nothing but pull the ball?
Jeter … we all know the GIDPs are bad. We all know he can’t put up MVP-candidate numbers forever. But he’s doing things that Captain Intangibles is NEVER supposed to do, like not run hard out of the box. This happened Sunday, Jeter should have had a triple but ended up on second because he didn’t run hard.
ARod has done plenty to help the team this year. I believe that coming through (or not coming through) in clutch situations is largely a function of luck and sample size. But he seems to approach at bats in close-and-late situations differently. He swings and makes outs pitches that are high and inside or low and outside, and I just don’t see him going for those pitches in other situations. His at bats seem shorter, less patient, like he’s pressing.
Like I said, discouraging.
Were any of you watching the game? Karstens threw hanging sliders/curveballs down the middle that were put into play for outs. Arizona just sucks at hitting.
Rasner has much better command and control than Karstens, and a better curve. They both throw junk, Karstens just has more of it to throw(slider+curve)
So, Joba is gone for the year. He couldn’t save the team by himself anyway.
As it stands, this team is dead in the water. The outlook for the economy looks better than it does for the Yankees.
ARods is still getting on base, getting hits but can’t seem to find success when we need it. Is he not the ultimate stat padding player?
Im not giving up on this team yet. We are 3 games out of the wild card and our offense has more potential today than it did before the deadline went. No we cant replace a Wang or a Joba. But if our offense can turn it up a notch we wont need to replace them. An average pitcher will suffice. Its time for the Yankees to slug there way to the playoffs. We have the players to do it.
GO YANKEES!!!
if they lose today its freakin over.
Jorge,
Can they make a run? Sure they can. Do I think they will? I don’t see this team doing it because they haven’t done it.
Really, look at the entire season. Very, very small snippets of real quality baseball played throughout the entire season by the Yankees. Some nights, like the last two nights, absolutely dreadful baseball played by this team.
Put it to you another way. Aside from one road slide this year, how many games have Tampa played where they weren’t hustling, grinding AB’s, and finding ways to win games?
Teams that make the playoffs have that “magic” about them during a year. They find ways to win games, like Tampa did today for example.
Last night, Sexson hits the Grand Slam that gets them to 8-6. How many times in the past have we seen Yankee teams take over a game after that and win? More than I can count since 1994.
Last night, we saw what we saw all year. Implosion.
Does that mean I won’t use my season tickets the rest of the way? Nope.
Does that mean I won’t watch all the road games the rest of the way? Nope.
Does that mean I won’t make one more trip to Charleston and Trenton to check out the minor league Yankees before I get busy in the fall? Nope.
It just means I don’t believe this team has enough in the tank to go to the playoffs. Just my opinion.
I’m not a rah, rah guy. I’m a realist. I don’t see how they overcome the combination of crippling injuries, age and inconsistency to make a run.
Would I love to see it? Absolutely. Just not feelin’ it with this group, that’s all.
“couldnt disagree more.”
Well I guess it is pre mature as they do seem to be mis-using Marte. i thought he was going to be more of a lefty specialist. He has given up 6 runs in 4.2 which is obviously not so good so I wouldn’t say I,m way off base. His option next year is definitely not going to be picked up also. 6 million.
Whiff, ARod is far from a stat-padder. Without him we aren’t even in the neighborhood of the playoffs.
His struggles in close-and-late situations this season are not among the top 20 problems with the team.
Don’t know whether anyone said but according ot mlb.com, Kennedy will start on Friday and Giese on Saturday.
SJ I want your opinion on the Jeter AB with the bases loaded. up 3 and 1 in the count, Rupe struggling, abreu on deck, etc. what is your opinion on Jeter swinging at the pitch?
Do you think that was the correct move? A smart move?
Thanks…
“His option next year is definitely not going to be picked up also. 6 million.”
no chance Cashman doesnt pick up that option.
they made the trade knowing them had him under team control thru 2009.
I’ve got to be honest…I understand the Yankees policy of not divulging injuries early, but this is a bit ridiculous now. What is it???!!!!
At least Moose could possibly provide some lift for the team. He is the only bright spot other than Nady. Plus, can’t blame the bullpen. Once the starters fall apart, the bullpen follows. The bullpen was good when the starters were good but now, the starters aren’t giving innings so naturally the bullpen falls apart.
The Baltimore series really killed our season.
I don’t have the expertise that SJ does, but here is what I know about the Yankees. Every time that I have written them off over the past four years, they have found a different way to prove me wrong.
It is a difficult time for this team, but there is still a great deal of talent and a number of guys with a lot of heart.
With Tampa pulling off miracles on a daily basis, it would appear as if we are in for a battle with Boston and a few other teams for the wild card. I know that the deck is now stacked against us, but I am not quite ready to toss in the towel.
IF Arod was not on the Yankees this year, I do think they would have a worse record this year. But I am not sure there future would not have been brighter..
They would have made some other moves to be competitive and now the Arod Era goes on for 9 more years.
Arod is not the main problem his production is the best on the team but Arod brings another group of problems to the team.. It limits player moves because he makes so much money, his perceived lack of clutch hitting is an issue, and the whole Arod off the field stuff may be a distraction..
You guys realize the yankees are only 3 games out in the loss column for the wild card to Boston who is very flawed too. It’s certainly possible to make the playoffs this year. chill.
Can we see how Marte finishes the season before declaring his career over?
“no chance Cashman doesnt pick up that option.
they made the trade knowing them had him under team control thru 2009.”
Why say no chance? With the way hes pitched I’d take 2 top 45 picks for him.
Whiff, ARod is far from a stat-padder. Without him we aren’t even in the neighborhood of the playoffs.
Disagree, actually. ARod has not had the impact he had last year. The success of this team has come from the pitching, when it is going right, and their ability to keep things close until someone can do something with the bat – Ponson last start, Rasner previous start.
ARod gets more credit for offensive success than he should. When the Yankees need a run, have 2 outs, bases loaded, he has not been the “go to guy” you want at the plate. Instead, those hits – the few that they are – have come from Abreu, Giambi, Cano, Molina, Matsui.
This is what I mean about ARod. When the Yankees need an extra run when they are already up by 5. ARod is the man. When the Yankees need 3 runs to make a losing effort look closer, ARod is the man. For the expectation and role that is defined for ARod, he clearly falls short. Some will say he tries to do too much, but I say it is his “hero ego” where he fails to see the benefits of the little things that help a team rather than the Big Papi home run.
But, when the Yankees need a hit to keep a rally going, score a run when a pitcher is on the ropes, ARod is the absent landlord. But, he is not alone, you can add Jeter, Damon, Cabrera, Posada, sometimes Giambi, sometimes Cano.
Jorge tabata stop the logic.. Marte after all has had about 4 appearances for the Yanks….His career before these 4 outings does not count…..
“You guys realize the yankees are only 3 games out in the loss column for the wild card to Boston who is very flawed too. It’s certainly possible to make the playoffs this year. chill.”
exactly. with 6 games still left head-to-head against the Saux.
one good weekend from pulling to within one, or even tying for the WC lead.
its on the shoulders of the staff. they need Moose to continue his run. they need Pettitte to rebound. and they need IPK and Hughes to be what they thought they would be at the beginning of the season for the month of september.
sj,
I brought this up on this last thread. If Joba cant pitch again this year where does he start next year? He only pitched 89 innings? Does he go back to the bullpen and repeat what he did in 08?
“You guys realize the yankees are only 3 games out in the loss column for the wild card to Boston who is very flawed too. It’s certainly possible to make the playoffs this year. chill.”
Beckett, Lester, Dice K
That’s why we got no shot.
S O S I would assume jOba never sees the pen again.
Morrow on Seattle got sent down to convert him to a starter. Many teams are doing this for obvious reasons.
Joba may have to be relegated to the pen just like Papelbon was. To protect the shoulder.
There are worse things.
“Jeff Karstens doing well only increases the trade value of Jeff Marquez and Darrell Rasner.”
Excellent point CB, as always.
I would like the Yankees to begin transitioning in some of our young guys and see what they can do. As another poster said, we have openings in CF (and LF IMO), Ib, and probably catcher. I want to see Jackson brought up ASAP, and the Hughes – Kennedy firm.
Our bullpen is set for next year, and with Joba and Wang returning next spring, we should be ok there too.
If Cashman has good scouting he should be able to deal Rasner, Marquez, and whomever else for some good prospects.
CB and SJ44, what is your opinion of the Yankee scouting corps, did they misread Karstens?
Hello Hello….i didnt feel like wading thru 200 some odd posts of – can we trade marte back for karstens?? So did i miss anything? Joba to the DL… still no one has said if he is or isnt out for the year?
JAX he did not say they were dead he said the odds are against the team… He is not giving up just being practical.. Being less then confident in this team is not a big deal we still root for them and hope they win we just have doubts about there success.
Why is that a bad thing??
How does Girardi have no idea what Dr. Andrews said? That is some bogus affrontery, of course he knows what the doctor said about his team’s future ace starter that everyone around the team is concerned about.
I’m with SJ. I have emotionalyy checked out on this team for the 2nd time this year. From the first month of the season I saw a ship that was getting old and sinking real fast. I was pleasantly surprised that there weren’t really any panic moves that would jeopardize what they need for medium term success in the new park- a youth movement overhaul. The pieces are falling in place for the pitchers (knock on wood re Joba) but the offense took a major step back this year. Again, lets take a stroll around the horn.
Jeter- sure looks cooked at 34 and even if it is injury-related needs to move off SS and doesn’t really hit well enough for anywhere else except 2B
Melky- major regression when players at his age usually establish themselves
Cano- see Melky above
Posada see Jeter above; not enough stick to warrabnt $25 million per at first or DH
Abreu- shouldn’t be resigned; needs to OPS 1.000 to offset horrendous glove
Damon- nice resurgence but on the wrong side of 35, can’t play an everyday CF and not a Championship-caliber corner OF
Matsui- see a combination of all of the above
Arod=- still a monster; $300 million worth
Nady- nice pick-up but not really a game-changer in the AL East
Giambi- near the end of the line as an everyday player and unlikely to return at an economic price
Other 1B/DH options- our crew is below replacement level
Bench- Betemit, Christian, Gardner, Molina again all below replacement level hitters
And other than Austin Jackson and this Montero kid(projected MLers in 2010 the earliest) kid there really aren’t any high ceiling hitters in the minors.
So, who’s giving up?
i’m sorry, the yankees insistence on treating joba’s injury like a state secret is positively ridiculous. just break the news and get on with the season, already.
“IT AINT OVER ‘TILL IT’S OVER.
I
TELL IF HIS OUT FOR THE SEASON….
what hel l is the problem with these people.
It’s a doctor refusing to tell that you grandmother died because he feels sorry for you……&*&(
Papelbon is in the pen because he doesn’t have enough pitches to succeed as a starter.
Just in, Joba hurt himself playing guitar hero
Stuart, I see that we’ve returned to last night’s Jeter AB with the bases juiced, as he worked the count 3 & 1…..Now the next pitch is going to be the best pitch he’ll see…He’s looking for a certain pitch to hit, if he gets he goes after it…Why take the chance of going 3-2 and getting punched out on a borderline pitch…The man is a lifetime .318 hitter, and even though he’s off this season he’s still hitting .285…..I’ve beem around the game for awhile, that’s the perfect spot ro be hitting in…..He hit the ball on the screws, just at someone
WOW Michael T that is some depressing analysis.. Very beleivable but depressing.. My take is a little less harsh but ouch…
daily news said kennedy was going to start on saturday and he better
That’s going to be a problem… 89 innings this year means no more than 130 next year for Joba.
Hughes is going to be in an innings limit as well.
So this has to chance how they view the offseason… they can’t go into the season with 2 guys on 130-150 IP limits in the same rotation.
“the yankees insistence on treating joba’s injury like a state secret is positively ridiculous.”
well what makes you think they should tell you whats wrong with him?
in fact, if joba doesnt want anyone to know, thats his personal right to keep his medical records private.
Phil,
Not me. Although see me Thursday night if the Rangers pass us.
“IT AINT OVER ‘TILL IT’S OVER.
“CB and SJ44, what is your opinion of the Yankee scouting corps, did they misread Karstens?”
i’m neither CB nor SJ44, but karstens had plenty of opportunity to prove himself with the yankees. he didn’t pitch especially well with the big club and it didn’t look like he’d be much more than a long man on a team with joba, hughes and wang anchoring the rotation for the foreseeable future.
what happened with karstens was he pitched well against one of the worst offensive clubs in the NATIONAL LEAGUE. that’s it. he had a good game against a very weak-hitting club in a very weak-hitting league.
We need a Win.
Maybe 6 in a row.
This is ridiculous, nothing on what’s wrong with Joba yet?
PAT M I disagree and that is why I wanted SJ’s take. I agree with your whole analysis except one point which I think is huge. Rupe was very very wild and to me was on the ropes. We can disagree but that to me is the significant factor that makes your analysis wrong..
If the pitcher was more effective absolutely I agr with you but Rupe was not very effective and could not find the plate.
“well what makes you think they should tell you whats wrong with him?
in fact, if joba doesnt want anyone to know, thats his personal right to keep his medical records private.”
wow. i’m not even sure how to respond to that. i am looking forward to ESPN running the story on how joba’s injury is “really none of your business, folks.”
and then reading cashman’s statement: “this is a private matter. yankees fans are so nosy.”
are you out of your mind?
Pete,
Stop tooting your own horn. You’re a nothing. You write for the Staten Island High School Gazzette.
Everyone should relax on the Joba updates. It’s like pushing the elevator button, doesn’t make it get here any faster.
SJ,
How did we lose Karstens?
“If the pitcher was more effective absolutely I agr with you but Rupe was not very effective and could not find the plate.”
right, so he threw a pitch right down the middle of the plate, belt high.
jeter picked the right pitch to swing at, and hit it hard, but was unlucky. it happens.
but there was no flaw in his hitting philosophy that AB. he did what he had to do, which was work the count into his favor so he could get a good pitch to hit.
just because he didnt get the result you wanted doesnt make him wrong.
K-B:
“Karstens was one of the four players traded to the Pirates for Marte and Nady. The Yankees had pretty much given up on him (with reason) and now he has pitched 15 scoreless innings in the NL.”
“Several Yankees (who shall remain nameless) found it amusing that he beat Randy Johnson.”
*Cough* Johnny Damon *Cough*
It’s approaching 46 hours since Joba left the mound and still no updates from the Yankees concerning the nature of his injury. That’s not a good sign. You’d think that if they could have even ruled out the most catastrophic situations (torn labrum, torn rotator cuff) they would have at least done that. The fact that ‘everything is still in play’ doesn’t bode well. They’ve seen the MRI and gotten, at least, a prelimanary second opinion from Andrews and nothing has been ruled out.
stevie Philips is still standing pat on his diagnosis.
Slight tear of the labrum
The Joba Rules seem pretty stupid right now.
kasey,
I wasn’t asking you. I was asking someone who’s opinion I value. No offense.
Congratulations to Jeff Karstens. Any Yankees’ fan who now thinks it was a bad idea to train him is silly. Karstens would have given up 5 runs over 6 innings today if he had pitched in the AL. He was never going to be a member of the yanks’ rotation. Period and end of story.
As for David Robertson, Peter, check to see how many pitches he threw before giving up that dinger. As with Marte the night before, these guys are short-relievers and that’s all they’ve been training to do. They can’t throw 40+ pitches in an outing and be effective. If they could do that, they wouldn’t be short relievers. Robertson had, previous to giving up runs, been baffling the Rangers with his fastball/curveball combo. But he had walked two and, after 35 pitches, he should have been yanked. Same with Marte. Joe Girardi screwed up there. Ã…nd if he felt like he couldn’t go to Bruney, or Veras, then neither Bruney, nor Veras, should be on the team.
It’s a valid point to dismiss Karsten’s 15 scoreless innings, by pointing out that the NL is an inferior league. But doesn’t it work both ways? Isn’t Marte’s record with the Pirates also questionable.
Never trust an NL reliever.
What does it matter what’s wrong?
He’s gone for 2008. The fact that he even saw Andrews means they won’t let him pitch again this year.
“are you out of your mind?”
no, just stating a fact. it’s joba’s right to keep his personal medical condition private.
ESPN and whoever else wants to know, including you, could call him or the yankees or joba’s family as many times as they want, but if he doesnt want people to know, he’s protected by the law.
“Karstens would have given up 5 runs over 6 innings today if he had pitched in the AL. He was never going to be a member of the yanks’ rotation. Period and end of story.”
We may take 5 runs in 6 innings after Ponson starts.
all you need to know about baseball is look at Clevelands pen.. last yr. except for the Borowski tight rope act it was very very good, look this year.
betencourt is terrible/ last year was very good.
Perez still is effective just like last year.
Jensen Lewis came up late last year and did real good/ this yr. spent mostly in the minors.
the other guys have also been real bad……..
I really cant understand why they wont release whats worng with Joba. Its very frustrating to have a career of what could possibly be a hall of fame pitcher hanging in the balance. Just release it so we can move on.
I am very happy for Jeff, I wish him much success.
Yanksfanmc:
A diagnosis that he’s made without actually seeing any MRI film as well as, oh, not having a medical degree?
He can guess all he wants, and hell, he could be right. But until Dr. Andrews says that, I won’t believe it. Steve Phillips is a moron.
Whatever the reason that the Yanks haven’t released the info yet, it’s pointless to speculate on what his injury is or how long he’s out. When the condition is known, then it’ll be time for everyone to jump off a bridge, not before.
And while we’re at it, people that are wondering how the Yankees ‘lost’ Karstens are being ridiculous. This isn’t the Mets and the Kasmir deal. Karstens had plenty of opportunities to show he could pitch for the Yankees and never distinguished himself. He’s had a good run so far, but his starts will balance out and he’ll show that he’s a borderline starter/long reliever.
If you go by the logic that some are applying, the Yanks should trade for the kid that shut them down last night because he pitched one good game. Would anyone really want to do that?
People need to calm down and use some sense of basic reasoning. Sheesh.
ClayB-
That Springsteen Morello clip really kikced (evn if TM is a commie). Speaking of commies, facists at Google already took the clip down. I tried to forawrd the link and no one could access it.
Not sure if im in a bad mood, or just because i havent taken my lexapro in a week, but having been a fan for over 30 years, I really cant stand this team-no heart, no passion. The front office is really ridiculous too. Cashman investing his faith in 3 rookies to round out the rotation was absolutely asonine. We are Yankees with the 200 million payroll. We spend the money where it matters the least-1b/DH types who are at the tail ends of their careers.
almost 48 hours and no word on our most popular player since Jeter came up. Remember when Jeter dislocated his shoulder a few years back, we had word on that much quicker.
For all that talk on the Yanks “Old” pitchers.. let’s look who’s been healthy this year (Mussina + Pettitte + Rivera + Farnsworth when he was here) and who’s not (Hughes, Wang, Kennedy, Bruney)
Makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it? When you figure out this game, drop me a line.
I’m fine with our differences Stuart ….That pitch was down the pipe though…..Good hitters are all over that pitch….
TurnTwo- Im fairly certain that Joba turns over the right to privacy of health records to the Yankees the very second he signs a MLB Contract. The Yankees are in full control of his medical record.
“August 6th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
all you need to know about baseball is look at Clevelands pen.. last yr. except for the Borowski tight rope act it was very very good, look this year.
betencourt is terrible”
it is why you cannot buy a bullpen. And have to build it, via the farm. You don’t know what you will get from year to year. Exhibit A.
Cashman have NYY on track.
“Whatever the reason that the Yanks haven’t released the info yet, it’s pointless to speculate on what his injury is or how long he’s out. When the condition is known, then it’ll be time for everyone to jump off a bridge, not before.”
Yes and no. Yes we shouldn’t speculate on what exactly the injury is because nothing has been released. But just to see Dr. Andrews basically means that there is something of serious concern. It doesn’t matter if idiot Phillips is right about the labrum tear or not because he will be shut down until the winter or spring at least.
“kasey,
I wasn’t asking you. I was asking someone who’s opinion I value. No offense.”
K-B- This isn’t a matter of opinion it is a matter of fact. Karstens was part of the Nady/Marte trade. Someone tries to help and you rudely come down on them. Not cool.
wow…Peter Gammons, nearly crapped himself from his giddyness over the yankees loss.
“kasey,
I wasn’t asking you. I was asking someone who’s opinion I value. No offense.”
none taken whatsoever, but how they “lost karstens” isn’t really an opinion question, is it? unless i’m missing something there. they lost him in the nady/marte trade. not much room for interpretation there.
“Im fairly certain that Joba turns over the right to privacy of health records to the Yankees the very second he signs a MLB Contract.”
perhaps, but even if that were the case, while the yankees would be granted full access to his medical records, they still wouldnt have the right to release Joba’s personal medical records to the general public.
Any chance my Bears can snatch Favre.
Grossman can take Jobas spot
How do we get around Joba’s innings limits next year?
K-B: “SJ, how did the Yankees lose Karstens?”
kasey: “they lost him in the nady/marte trade.”
K-B: ” this guy’s a clown. seriously, though, how did they lost Karstens?”
SJ: “they lost him in the nady/marte tade.”
K-B: “thank you! it all makes so much sense now.”
Turntwo- I guarantee you its in the contract. It has to be realeased.
Stuart,
On the Jeter AB, with Rupe struggling, I was hoping he would take that 3-1 pitch, and force Rupe to throw 2 straight strikes to get him out. But, Derek hasn’t taken a lot of those pitches this season. I think that’s one reason why he has struggled offensively. I thought, as with a lot of the guys in this series, he got caught trying to do too much.
Really, the Arod is a stat padder stuff is such garbage its not even funny. If we had TWO other guys on the lineup performing at Arod’s level this year (and admittedly, he’s not at last year’s level) this team would have more wins.
Arod is not the root of the team’s offensive problems.
SOS,
Until we have a firm diagnosis on Joba, I’m withholding judgment on what they should do with him.
If he doesn’t need surgery, the big question is, can he throw 200 innings as a starter in his career? Will his shoulder allow him to do it?
Without a firm medical diagnosis, there is no way of knowing that answer.
They can always put him back in the ‘pen if, like Papelbon, its determined that its in his best interests (health-wise) to throw fewer innings.
Too early to make that call yet.
There isn’t anything wrong with the Yankees scouting of Karstens. He pitched a good game today against an offensively challenged team. Good for him.
As CB said, if he and the others play well, that’s good for the Yankees. It means teams in the game will value Yankee prospects more and it will enable them to get deals done.
I have no issues with the Nady/Marte trade. Both of those guys will help the Yankees this year and next year more than Karstens would.
Folks get too down on a relief pitcher when he has a bad outing. Marte took one for the team the other night, throwing 43 pitches in that outing. He will be fine.
He’s like every relief pitcher that’s any good. If you don’t overuse them, they are solid. When you do, they aren’t.
I don’t know if this has already been noted but Dan Giese is soooooo cute.
(He’s on BP Today)
One of the people on this blog I respect the most is SJ44 –
However –
He continues to blame Cano for this season’s fortunes and question the deal he was given.
I would only (humbly) point out to these facts:
May – .295
June- .287
July- .327
Given the performance of his brothers in the lineup and his deal this year (@$3M – aka chump change)
It is laughable to call Robbie out. imho.
“I guarantee you its in the contract. It has to be realeased.”
right. the yankees have access to his records. they dont have the right to release that information to me or you, though. not unless Joba gives his consent.
“August 6th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
perhaps, but even if that were the case, while the yankees would be granted full access to his medical records, they still wouldnt have the right to release Joba’s personal medical records to the general public”
maybe in theory. For all intensive purposes, it doesn’t matter.
TurnTwo:
At least say if he’s out the rest of the year.If it’s not that bad tell us so we can feel good the Yankees can still win.
Jobas our Ace.He makes or breaks this year.Like last year.
turntwo:
i guess i’m missing your point. sure, the yankees can keep a lid on this as long as they want, but what good does it do? does it save joba some “embarrassment?” i mean, folks are bound to catch on that SOMETHING’S not right if he misses the rest of the season.
i mean, sure, the yankees could just neglect to release any information and keep the kid out until, one day, he starts magically making rehab starts. or, hey, they could even do that on the sly. he could wear a disguise and pitch under and assumed name.
privacy rights aren’t the issue here. it’s kind of silly to make that argument, in my opinion.
TurnTwo,
the commissioner’s office requires all injuries to be made public within 24 hours of being placed on the DL. HIPAA rules do not apply to contracted athletes.
So we should know at least where the injury is in the next 22 hours or so.
Giese just told Kim Jones he loves her
Can we get off the Karstens thing already. The guy pitched one good game. Happens all the time in this beautifully random sport that is baseball. Someone told me that’s why they play 162 games to determine the best teams.
He simply doesn’t have the stuff or movement to be a better than average ML pitcher.
If he has a career of more than a couple of years as a front-end starter (eben in the little league) then I’ll eat HIS hat. Right off his chinless head.
It’s funny, everyone ending Joba’s career or moving him back to the pen to save his shoulder. I seem to remember Wang having a similar midseason shoulder issue, something that people here dont even remember at all. Sometimes an injured shoulder heals. Yes, I know, it’s hard to believe, but it happens.
vinny, it’s intents and purposes not intensive purposes.
I wonder if the VP choices will be announced before we find out what’s up with Joba.
The suspense is like before the opening of Al Capone’s vault.
The reason why they aren’t issuing info has nothing to do with Joba’s privacy rights.
FWIW, and I’m sure Pete will back me up on this, the Yankees aren’t telling ANYBODY what’s wrong with Joba.
I mean NOBODY. I’ve called what I consider pretty good sources with the Yankees and they aren’t talking. Nobody connected with the Yankees is talking about Joba.
I bet every beat writer in town has hit their sources and come up with the same roadblock.
I didn’t hear Steve Phillips say he has a torn labrum and I’m guessing that is someone trolling.
They aren’t telling Steve Phillips anything.
They are really being tightlipped on this one.
How to interpret it? Bad news, IMO. Only way to interpret it.
Put it another way. If it was good news, the news would be out already.
The Yankees have no problem releasing good news. Its the bad news they dole out (for whatever reason) in drips and drabs.
“Giese just told Kim Jones he loves her”
did he say he would like to kiss her, too?
TurnTwo- As vinny said, it doesnt really matter because people will find out anyway. When have you EVER seen an injured players injury report not released? Only in football for strategy reasons. “Derek Jeter is hurt but we cant tell anyone because he wont let us release it”. It doesnt work that way.
well espn crew, just said ” from what we’ve heard, its not gonna be that bad” re:joba
“did he say he would like to kiss her, too?”
Ive never cringed so hard watching YES. It was wonderful.
Moshe you’re probably best off to entirely ignore every post that talks about Joba’s injury. I’ve done that and haven’t missed a thing obviously since the Yankees haven’t given information yet.
There are lots of things that need discussing if you’re of a mind to do it – tonight’s game, the Anaheim Series, how lucky we are to have gotten this far with all of the injuries and an erratic offense, etc. etc. etc.
Just a suggestion.
“the commissioner’s office requires all injuries to be made public within 24 hours of being placed on the DL. HIPAA rules do not apply to contracted athletes.”
thank you for the clarification, Michelle.
and i dont disagree with most of you. i think the yankees owe it to the fans to at least throw us a bone.
but to sit here and say they need to tell us to me is bordering obsessive. not healthy.
it sucks, but you know he’s hurt. logically, because of the timing of the injury and its proximity to the end of the season, even if he was only going to be out for 3 weeks, do you think the yankees are really going to rehab him for a week or so to throw him in at the end of the season for what, 2 more starts?
“vinny, it’s intents and purposes not intensive purposes”
thanks, phil.
knew it didn’t look right. : )
“The reason why they aren’t issuing info has nothing to do with Joba’s privacy rights.”
thank you! and thanks to you and others for echoing a few of our statements regarding karstens.
K-B’s got a question for you about how the yankees lost Karstens, SJ. the answer is in one of pete’s updates to this game log post, and in one of my posts, but it seems like K-B would rather here it from you. which is odd, but whatever.
Who know’s maybe the absence of Larry Bowa really affected a few hitters here. Cano, Melky perhaps. Baserunning was a key component lasty year. It is very dissapointing that this years team has had so many misfortunes, but the offense should’ve been more consistent. Sabathia should almost be a top priority next year. I don’t trust Pettitte anymore. Joba showed he is an ace. A Center Fielder other than Melky too..
Predictions for tonight?? anyone
to be honest, i think the yankees are being secretive, because they want to make sure, everything is ok! I think if it was bad, they would have already had him scheduled for surgery.
No news is good news and im sticking with that
Tk,
Look beyond his BA. You left out April when talking about Cano. His RBI, extra base hits, OPS, SL% and OBP are all down from last year.
He’s not had a good year so far.
He’s hitting in the .260′s and hasn’t been above .272 all year.
That’s not what the Yankees expected when they committed that kind of money to him.
You can’t spin that he’s had a good year when all of his numbers are down from last year. If you take his 2006 numbers into consideration, he’s way down from what he was in ’06.
Is he the main reason the team is struggling? No. However, he’s not blameless either.
He’s not had a good season to date.
“i think the yankees owe it to the fans to at least throw us a bone.”
Why? They owe us nothing.
“But just to see Dr. Andrews basically means that there is something of serious concern. It doesn’t matter if idiot Phillips is right about the labrum tear or not because he will be shut down until the winter or spring at least.”
I understand that it is more serious than the Yanks might have thought, but I just find it rather silly for the bridge-jumpers to declare 19 different things about what his condition is or listen to people that are completely unqualified to speak about what happened, especially if they haven’t actually seen anything regarding the MRI.
Phillips is guessing just like everyone else. But until I hear that Joba has been moved to the 60 day or is officially shut down for the year, I’m not ready to call the season over like so many on here are. Sorry, but it just bugs me that some are so ready to jump off a bridge.
As someone else pointed out (don’t recall if it was here or another board), Joba was probably going to make another 10 starts or so. Given the percentages, say the Yanks went 7-3 in those starts (though with the offense lately, that’s probably generous). With a little hope and luck (I know, I know…) say they go 5-5 (okay 4-6) in those games. Now will those 2 or 3 games make a difference? Sure! But it’s not as if they’ll automatically go 0-10 in those starts that he’ll miss (I hope!)
Sorry for the rant, but the bridge-jumpers just get on my nerves sometimes.
Okay, I’ll hush now…
“FWIW, and I’m sure Pete will back me up on this, the Yankees aren’t telling ANYBODY what’s wrong with Joba.
I mean NOBODY. I’ve called what I consider pretty good sources with the Yankees and they aren’t talking. Nobody connected with the Yankees is talking about Joba.”
Well if no one is talking then obviously it’s bad news. They have a history of doing this. I’m sure if it was nothing serious then they would have had a press release out within 5 minutes.
“the commissioner’s office requires all injuries to be made public within 24 hours of being placed on the DL. HIPAA rules do not apply to contracted athletes.â€
thank you! i still say they should have him make rehab starts in a disguise and under an assumed name. y’know, for his privacy.
New update, So that is good news right? Best we could have heard.
12-3 Yankees. A-Rod 2 homeruns 5 rbi. Nady 2-4 2 rbi, 2b.
Cano’s had horrendous luck with balls in play, as have Giambi and Melky. None of their seasons has actually been as bad as the numbers make them look right now. They each had horrendous luck with balls they’ve hit.
Thats good news.
“Giese just told Kim Jones he loves herâ€
Did he want to kiss her as well a la B’way Joe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc65NC44dSk
“* * * * * * * 7:21 p.m. UPDATE ON JOBA * * * * *
This from Brian Cashman: Chamberlain has what is being described as rotator cuff tendinitis. He will be rested for a week and then start a throwing program after being evaluated.”
as bad news goes, that’s pretty tame. everyone breathe.
“Why? They owe us nothing.”
you’re right, they dont literally owe us anything. just my opinion, though, and i dont think i’m alone.
To me, as long as Joba doesn’t need surgery, its good news.
If he’s out for the season, I could care less. His future is more important than this season.
This is the first homegrown ace the Yankees have had since Ron Guidry. That’s 30 years ago.
That’s how long its been since they had somebody like Joba at the front end of the rotation.
I’m holding out hope whatever it is, its not serious enough to require surgery.
The thing about Cano is his K’s are way down.. He still throws away way to many AB’s..
rotator cuff tendinitis is that a good thing doctors???
Good news on Joba Pete.
“i think the yankees owe it to the fans to at least throw us a bone.â€
“Why? They owe us nothing.”
nah… we only pay their salaries with skyrocketing ticket costs, merchandise and memorabilia.
THANK YOU — i called the tendonitis…..
Rotator cuff tendonitis? Could be worse. But they have to be cautious in trying to get him back this year. I think its a bad idea.
SJ- In his prime, you would not have considered Pettitte an ace?
SJ- In his prime, you would not have considered Pettitte an ace?
Anyone know the story with Dougie M and Randy Johnson? They went at each other a few months ago and someone just told me Dougie had to be held back again today
“rotator cuff tendonitis”
does that mean, there’s no tear/damage?
Rotator cuff tendinitis (swimmer’s shoulder, tennis shoulder, pitcher’s shoulder, shoulder impingement syndrome) is a tearing and swelling of the rotator cuff (the muscles and tendons that hold the upper arm in the shoulder joint).
http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec05/ch075/ch075j.html
9-3 Yankee’s.
Jeter, Nady come through tonight. Really going out on a limb here! lol
I’ve had rotator cuff tendinitis and it’s no biggie. This is the best news possible.
Tendonitis of the the rotator cuff, is about the best thing you want to hear…
Its an overuse injury as well as a mechanical injury…Usually two weeks and people are fine. I think the yankees will be cautious with him tho.
the season is ruined, it’s madonnas fault.
“I’ve had rotator cuff tendinitis and it’s no biggie. This is the best news possible.”
Yah – but you’re not the out future ace!
“thank you! i still say they should have him make rehab starts in a disguise and under an assumed name. y’know, for his privacy.”
you josh, but how funny would that have been?
Rotator cuff tendinitis. On the scale of 1-10, with 10 being bad, that’s a 4 or 5.
Still think they will shut him down the rest of the way.
Alan Horne and Dellin Betances had it this year and each guy was out for about 6 weeks.
Either way, that’s a rest and rehab injury. If of course, the Yankees are telling the whole truth about the injury.
In this case, unlike the Wang and Bruney cases, I really hope they are being honest with the information they put out publicly.
It wouldn’t be right to mislead fans and the media on this one.
No need to go Belichick with the most important player on the team for the future. Honesty is the best policy on this stuff, IMO.
“does that mean, there’s no tear/damage?”
There can be slight tearing but it’s mainly discomfort caused by inflammation I believe. The BIG thing here is what happens when he tries to return to a throwing program, they need to be careful to not complete a tear.
rotator cuff tendinitis.
OK. Not so bad.
Get off the ledge news.
well you gotta blame someone.
eric gagne had rotator cuff tendinitis earlier this year and took a little over a month to come back
“eric gagne had rotator cuff tendinitis earlier this year and took a little over a month to come back”
How come that doesn’t make me feel better?
kasey,
Let it go. The person you have an issue has asking how we lost Karstens. That’s all you need to know.
“Still think they will shut him down the rest of the way.”
I agree 100% SJ, I’m not sure even with Joba if we are good enough this year so I would really take it baby steps at a time and wait until ’09. Also I hope like you do that they are not hiding something else.
As long as no surgery is necessary for Joba it’s a good thing. Tendinitis can be cured with rest.
“Why? They owe us nothing.”
They owe us an explanation. A statement something. Even to say “we’re not 100% sure so that is why were waiting.” Why? because obviously we care so much. Yanks are the one of the worst teams when it comes to fan relations.
just looked up the ailment on line.. does not sound that bad the treatement is rest, anti inflammatory medicine, possible steroids, and physical therapy to strengthen the area…
does that sound about right???
“Its an overuse injury as well as a mechanical injury…Usually two weeks and people are fine. I think the yankees will be cautious with him tho.”
i agree. as much as they need him, they should be overly cautious, too.
i know he’s got all season to rest, but like others have said, if he tries to push and come back too soon, he can throw his mechanics further out of whack, which could lead to another injury come 2009.
I am glad Karstens is doing well. If he was a dud, Pittsburgh may hesitate, in future, to trade with the Yankees. Nady is well worth it.
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August 6th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
“Giese just told Kim Jones he loves herâ€
Did he want to kiss her as well a la B’way Joe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc65NC44dSk”
Horne and Betances both lost velocity and strength before getting diagnosed. Joba didn’t.
well that could be a lot worse about Joba, right?
FYI:
HIPPA rules do not apply to athletes. They just don’t. In fact, all pro leagues mandate that teams be forthright about injuries.
As for whether the teams “owe” you any information, I believe they do. The Yankees charge high prices for tickets, concessions and Joba t-shirts. It would seem to me that the least they can do it tell you how the guy is doing. You as fans invest a lot emotionally and financially in the team. They owe you some honesty.
* Why does anybody care what Chris Russo thinks? He’s baiting you with his stupid comments. He could not pick half the Yankees out of a lineup.
* The same is true for Steve Phillips. The only training he has as a journalist was lying to the writers when he was a GM. This is the same guy who made up a story about Pedro Martinez’s signing with the Mets being held up by his MRI.
Joba is 22 and has a rotator cuff issue. If the Yankees let him pitch again this season it’s irresponsible, bottom line. You’ll see him and Wang in Tampa.
If the Yankees are going to make the playoffs, Kennedy and Hughes have to step up.
Pettitte may not have been an “Ace” in SJ’s book but then he has a very high bar for the word. Andy started Game 1 in the WS for the 1996 World Champion Yankees. (Bot bombed but the threw the gem in game 3 when they won 1-0).
He is Aces in my book, even if not Guidry-dominant in his prime. But then again, Andy has been productive for a longer period of time.
SJ44 –
i was going to cut and paste the parts of your post i agree with, but it ended up being the whole thing.
they ought to shut him down for the year, even IF it is just some rotator cuff tendinitis. i hope they’re being honest with the public, but they don’t have a great track record with letting out bad news.
Tendonitis literally means, swelling of a tendon. I would think its the Biceps Tendon which fits through this tiny little groove in your shoulder. It basically sits in a groove and when its not swollen, it slides up and back whne you flex and extend your biceps muscle. Once there is trauma to it, it swells and isnt able to stay in its groove, so it pops and pinches. Managing the swelling is the hard part, once it goes away, athletes usually return to normalcy.
Pettitte was never an ace. Even in his prime. Like Wang, a very solid, #2 guy in a championship rotation.
He was that type of swashbuckling, shut teams down, kind of guy. As Clemens (whatever you may think of him now), and Guidry were in their prime.
Joba has that “it” thing going on. The kind of thing that when you see him, you KNOW he’s the goods.
I was sitting in the stands with some scouts for one of his starts last year in Jupiter when he was in A Ball. By the 6th inning, when he was consistently hitting 99-101 on his fastball, one of my scout friends put down his radar gun and said to me, “He can pitch and dominate in NY right now. I have no idea why he is still in A Ball”.
A month later, he was in the Bronx.
The big thing with his injury is to not overdo it trying to comeback. You have to give the shoulder time to calm down and then gradually build it back up to be able to withstand pitching again.
That’s why its doubtful we see him the rest of the way. Immaterial, IMO, compared to what it might have been.
“* The same is true for Steve Phillips. The only training he has as a journalist was lying to the writers when he was a GM. This is the same guy who made up a story about Pedro Martinez’s signing with the Mets being held up by his MRI.”
Hahaha I remember that, nicely done Pete.
In terms of surgery or no surgery, this is good news. But as an “overuse” injury, does this mean Joba’s future as a starter is in jeopardy? I mean, he was lights out as a reliever, and the rotation would be fine with Joba in the pen long-term.
vinny, he said ‘pleasure’
thanks for the post, pete. hopefully some people will take your word and SJ’s and listen to reason a bit around here.
I’ll feel a whole lot better when we sign CC this winter.
I think this is good news. If they are actually discussing a throwing program in one week, it has got to be somewhat mild.
I agree with SJ and all the others, shut him down for the season. Absolutely no way you take a chance on his future. If he comes back early and tries to compensate and causes further or different damage somewhat should be fired. He is way, way too important for the future.
As long as we don’t hear he “Dr. Andrews will be performing surgery” I think we breathe a sigh of relief.
Go Kennedy, Go Hughes, Go Pavano (go higher draft pick!)
i’m telling you, this is a mechanical problem, as well as a fatigue one, but they need to get his mechanics fixed. he’s late at footstrike, his arm drags thru the zone, and its hurting him.
i don’t know what speeding up his arm tempo prior to footstrike would do to his velocity or command, but they absolutely need to break down his motion and fix this right away.
hey, at least its not as bad as mcgowan.
“HIPPA rules do not apply to athletes. They just don’t. In fact, all pro leagues mandate that teams be forthright about injuries.”
but my question is why? why does the public have a right to Joba, or whoever’s, medical records because they play a sport for their job?
not trying to be difficult, just wondering what the difference really is.
“Cano’s had horrendous luck with balls in play, as have Giambi and Melky. ”
It’s hard to have a good BABIP when you hit weak ground balls to the second baseman (Cano and Melky) and when you always hit to the part of the field that has an extra defender (Giambi).
michelle – great info. thanks for that. explains why he felt his “pop”…
SJ44,
I know somehow you are privy to either inside information, or you do a lot of baseball research.
Therefore, how do the Yankee scouts measure up against other teams, e.g., Rays, Red Sox, etc. ?
The reason I bring it up is because there have been deals done that would seem to be in the Yankees favor, but turn out to be less than what they expected. If Jeff Karsten’s turns out to be a very good starting pitcher, I have to wonder if our scouting is poor.
Like to hear your insight into Yankee scouting.
Melky’s a bum. Keep him out of the lineup.
WHAT???????
But the EXPERTS here were INSISTING it was serious since he was going to Dr. Andrews! They knew! They said they knew!!! Everyone lied!!!!
Congrats Michelle on calling it right by the way. That’s pretty cool.
And my thanks to anyone who was able to pull it together enough to actually talk about other baseball stuff. I find it actually freakish that people couldn’t chill out enough to wait to get accurate information but instead spun like tops for two days.
“last year in Jupiter when he was in A Ball. By the 6th inning, when he was consistently hitting 99-101 on his fastball”
Was he still doing that in the big leagues, by the 6th inning?
Why does anybody care what Chris Russo thinks? He’s baiting you with his stupid comments. He could not pick half the Yankees out of a lineup.
The same is true for Steve Phillips. The only training he has as a journalist was lying to the writers when he was a GM. This is the same guy who made up a story about Pedro Martinez’s signing with the Mets being held up by his MRI.
lol. Very true
“Still think they will shut him down the rest of the way.”
I agree here too, and it is the smart thing to do. It’s bad news for this season. But a few years down the line when we are watching Joba fully developed and dominating on a regular basis, this year will be a mere blip on the radar.
Peter,
who knew you doubled in medicine and UMASS/Amherst?
i feel like this is going to be the straw that leads Joba back to the bullpen for the rest of his career.
He’s had arm troubles before, tendonitis and elbow issues. I believe his weight and mechanics have a ton to do with that. He throws `100 miles an hour and then snaps a curveball at you. That alone puts huge amounts of stresses on elbow and shoulder ligaments…
Ah great news on Joba! Probably the best we could have hoped for. I won’t crow to SJ44 until we see him back in the rotation, which I agree is not a done deal. However, I will say this, Joba is important to the future Yankees, but he is just as important to the 2008 Yankees. The current ownership knows this and wants to win this year as judged by the trades, while George is still around. Anyway that being said, I think the Yankees will do everything within reason to get Joba back on the mound this year. I predict Joba will be back by Sept 1st.
Pete
Rotator Cuff tendonitis is inflammation and swelling of the tendons of the shoulder and does not mean he has a rotator cuff tear. Chronic inflammation can lead to a tear. Has he had a steroid injection? Did they find a spur? When do they start physical therapy, and is he on NSAIDS like Advil, etc?
Those are the questions you should ask Cashman?
Tendinitis is not a nice way to say he has a tear. Its an inflammation. I know you like to put the worst possible spin on everything Yankees, but that’s ridiculous. I’m sure this post will be removed as soon as you see it.
Why do you people feel like the Yankees have some sort of obligation to you when it comes to injury news? I love how this blog jumps on the train started by its author about how the Yankees ‘lie about injuries’. Were the Yankees supposed to come right out and say ‘Posada is done’ while searching for a bat? Yeah thats a great idea. That way the price for a starter can be astronomical. Stop with the sense of entitlement.
“I agree with SJ and all the others, shut him down for the season. Absolutely no way you take a chance on his future.”
Do you honestly think the Yankee brass would take any chances with this guy if they thought there was any chance of further damage? They would be tarred and feathered by Yankee fans for the next 10 years.
If they say Joba is ok to go for the remainder of the season after he rehabs the arm, then he’s good to go.
vin, their LD%’s indicate that’s not what the problem has been.
did SJ ever answer the question about how this affects Joba’s innings count for next season?
the Matsui news sounds pretty good to me..
If the Yanks can get Hughes and Matsui back within 10 days that would really really help..
Matsui is a very good professional hitter and could really help.. If GIrardi has given up on Melky as the everyday CF then they go with Damon in CF(I know but they have no choice) and make the offense better for now..
Hughes can be a very good pitcher the other guys kennedy etc. I have a lot less faith in…
Eric Gagne had rotator cuff tendinitis earlier this season and he was on the DL for only a month. I’m sure the Brewers were extra cautious considering his injury history. It’s not unreasonable to speculate that Joba could be back in the rotation sometime in September.
If Joba is healthy enough to pitch this year and has healed correctly I say he should pitch.. Let the doctors decide if he is healed and if so why not???
“He throws `100 miles an hour and then snaps a curveball at you. That alone puts huge amounts of stresses on elbow and shoulder ligaments…”
not only that, but last night, it seemed like he was leaning on his breaking stuff a lot more last night than in previous starts. i think someone else mentioned it here last night, that with Texas’s lineup, he was almost forced to use all of his pitches from inning one, rather than try and work thru the lineup once establishing his fastball, and work in the secondary stuff the 2nd and 3rd time thru.
my guess is that this tendinitis didnt pop up simply as a result of one game, but you wonder if this reliance helped kind of accelerate the swelling and pressure.
SJ said:
“Pettitte was never an ace. Even in his prime. Like Wang, a very solid, #2 guy in a championship rotation.”
It may be splitting hairs and I agree with the overall point but this comment simply isn’t true. Andy Pettite was the #1 starter on the staff in 1996, which was by definition a Championship team. He led the team with a 3.87 ERA (no other starter below 4 excpet for David Cone in 11 games) and started Game 1 of the ALCS and WS. So yes, he was good enough to be a #1 on a Championship team. He also had a peak ERA+ of 155 in 1997, pitched 240 innings and gave up only 7!!! homers which is pretty Ace-like.
On the negative side he’s never struck out 200 in a season and sits about 2.4 K/BB ratio over his career.
Damn rotator cuffs. I have two tears in my right one as I speak/type,………….no fun at all.
Outside of being warned before game time anybody else think that Snacks puts a couple onto a few Rangers tonight?
Could be a little basebrawl in Texas tonight……..heat does funny things to you.
TurnTwo: the reason they give up their rights to injury privacy is because they sign a contract that states “they release their medical privacy rights”
I think every professional sport that has contracts has this as a clause. Except tennis, injuries do not have to be reported in detailed terms.
The reason for this is because, professional athletic organizations believe that the public who pays their players’ contracts deserves to know what is going on with player. I think and without looking it up, this was one of the points of contention during the 1981 baseball strikes.
Cashman said they will rest Joba for a couple of days and then they will reevaluate. That doesn’t mean he is going to be back in a fews days and be back in starting rotation. You guys have to be realistic. I think the Yanks are going to be extra cautious with Joba. He may not pitch again this year.
I’d either shut down Joba for the rest of the season, or if he can come back, possibly use him as a reliever just for the stretch (if we’re still in contention). He knows how to go long into games and next season will be a full time starter. If he can come back this season and not ruin him with pitch count/innings, use him as a reliever for this yr.
Peter, from what I understand tendinitis to be is inflammation of a tendon. Inflammation is considered swelling, why do you feel that the tendinitis (again, defined as inflammation of a tendon) “is a nice way to say he has a little tear in his rotator cuff”?
“but my question is why? why does the public have a right to Joba, or whoever’s, medical records because they play a sport for their job? not trying to be difficult, just wondering what the difference really is.”
Well, at the least they have to disclose to each other so that teams can prepare and be fair and competitive. As for why they ‘owe’ it to fans, I guess the argument that the fans pay for the team through tickets, merch, etc. hold some merit. The life of an athlete in the public eye affords a different set of rules, at least, with regards to their performance on the field. If there’s a medical issue preventing a player from performing, the public should know about it. The public doesn’t have the right if it’s not baseball related, though, IMO.
I guess Jeter wasn’t given the take sign….Tiome to move on….
They should seriously think of moving Joba to the pen for the remainder of the season. He could be the 8th inning guy again, and that slots Veras, Ramirez, & Marte for the 7th. That way they won’t have to worry about his innings the rest of the way. That’s the move if they’re still in the WC hunt by September.
Turn Two-
“HIPAA rules do not apply to athletes.” It’s HIPAA not HIPPA by the way. HIPAA rules apply to everyone, and it’s a compliance violation if you give out that information without the patient’s or families consent. Let’s say the player is being treated for herpes and is on the DL. If the doctor or nursing staff divulge that information they are in violation of HIPAA. People have been fired for this.
Tendonitis is what I expected (as I said earlier today). I had the same situation in my shoulder this year. With rest, rehab, and strengthening, Joba should be good to go.
“The reason for this is because, professional athletic organizations believe that the public who pays their players’ contracts deserves to know what is going on with player. I think and without looking it up, this was one of the points of contention during the 1981 baseball strikes.”
that makes some sense. i dont necessarily agree with it, but i can understand where they are coming from.
thanks.
Steve Phillips is a sexual harasser who admitted to multiple affairs and was forced to step away for the Mets for a period of time. Not to mention he is the man who brought Mo Vaughn to Queens and his ridiculous contract. In his remaining three year deal with the Mets, Vaughn played 166 games, missing the whole 2004 season.
On another note the David Ortiz that was cut by the Minnesota Twins is back. Without Manny, Ortiz is a solid 2 for 20.
YTrader, oh i know. i work in the health care field. they pound HIPAA down our throats.
i just dont agree with the concept of the players signing over their privacy rights, but now we’re getting into a whole new argument that doesnt need to be had here, so i’ll leave it at that!
anybody remember what the initial diagnosis on jorge’s shoulder was, by chance? wasn’t it also tendinitis in the rotator cuff?
i’m not saying the result will be the same, by any stretch of the imagination. i’m just trying to recall if we’ve already heard this story from the yanks this year.
Have no fear Carl Pavano is almost here…please shoot me now
Peter is trying to get as many people as possible to view his page. He’s using an old journalism tactic used to sell papers. Unfortunately for us, this is a blog and we’re not paying for anything.
But I guess the ads for the strip clubs make it necessary for Peter to both assume and bring our attention to the worst case scenario instead of simply reporting what two doctors and management of the Yankees have said.
“Without Manny, Ortiz is a solid 2 for 20.”
And also coming off an injury. Not to mention that 20 at bats is such a small sample size that it’s meaningless in any statistical way other than mouth breathers quoting it on the internet.
Yankees Trader:
once and for all HIPAA rules do not apply to contracted athletes, there is a clause in their contracts giving up those rights…
No one can be fired for divulging and athletes injury, because the athlete has given up those rights.
Now if HIPAA did apply do you think we would have all known that Kaz Matsui was out for most of the 1st half of the season becasue he had an “ANAL FISSURE”
Gets tiring hearing Pete talk in extremes. He seems to get some sort of pleasure out of saying “Don’t expect to see him anytime soon”. He’s done it so many times this season whether it be Hughes, Wang, etc. It’s like you like to burst the readers bubbles.
“Why do you people feel like the Yankees have some sort of obligation to you when it comes to injury news? I love how this blog jumps on the train started by its author about how the Yankees ‘lie about injuries’. Were the Yankees supposed to come right out and say ‘Posada is done’ while searching for a bat? Yeah thats a great idea. That way the price for a starter can be astronomical. Stop with the sense of entitlement.”
I agree that all of this “suspicion” regarding the information the Yankees give out is both puerile and irresponsible.
Funny that Girardi immediately said that he didn’t think that the injury was going to be serious because the velocity was still up and there wasn’t a lot of pain. Joba’s dad said things were looking good, and Girardi said he thought it might be one start missed.
BUT THIS BLOG KNEW BETTER. And you once again went out on a James Bond mission to prove that you were going to uncover the truth and expose those secretive liars in the Yankee Organization.
So once again score 1 for the Yankee organization and 0 for the lohud blog.
Kasey: Posada developed a tear in his labrum/rotator cuff through trying to play through Tendonitis.
Joba has an inflammed tendon, once the swelling goes down he will be able to throw as normal. If he had pitched through it it could have led to more problems.
I fully expect to see Joba back in the rotation in 2-3 weeks.
“He’s done it so many times this season whether it be Hughes, Wang, etc. It’s like you like to burst the readers bubbles.”
if you’ve been paying attention, he’s also been RIGHT.
it’s not bursting bubbles. it’s trying to temper the increasingly unrealistic expectations of some people on this board.
Did I hear correctly, the only Yankee players that went to Bobby’s memorial service were Jeter and Pettitte?
Good news about Joba – rest and rehab and he will be ok.
Peter, HIPAA applies to everyone. Athletes (or anyone else) may waive their right and permit disclosure. Perhaps such waiver of this right is a standard element to professional baseball contracts.
Joba will be back in 2 weeks and lead us to the World Series!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
“So once again score 1 for the Yankee organization and 0 for the lohud blog.”
a little early for this, don’t you think, considering joba is on the 15-day DL and will be re-evaluated in a week.
if you want to hammer on people being prematurely pessimistic, let’s go both ways. until we see the kid back on the mound again, let’s not play the “i told you so” game one way or the other, deal?
“it’s not bursting bubbles. it’s trying to temper the increasingly unrealistic expectations of some people on this board.”
What? People have unrealistic expectations of the Yankees?
I had tendinitis. I am not a doctor. ITIS means inflammation. JC leave it alone. Pay attention to the people who have the information not those who love to misinterpret to get everyone worked up!
I think Peter has some sort of chip on his shoulder because either Girardi, Cashman or any combination of both don’t tell him news immediately after they find it out. They must have some sort of obligation to run to the press the instant they receive information instead of taking the time to evaluate it.
I’m sure jumping the gun and declaring Joba done for the YEAR after being told he’s going to rest for a WEEK will help him get information faster in the future.
“August 6, 2008
i feel like this is going to be the straw that leads Joba back to the bullpen for the rest of his career”
I don’t believe this.
A) NYY needs starting pitching (particularly a #1 starter)
B) Joba is an ace
C) the bullpen is stacked. From the bronx, to the low levels in the minors.
Anyone see that on BBTN…Rowand’s HR today meant that he’s the first Giant to get to 10 HR this year….10!!!
Don’t forget how they handled the Clemens’ injury last year and they didn’t have ANY long-term investment in him. They never announced he wouldn’t pitch again; they simply kept deferring his return date until the season expires.
Expect the same with Joba. Unless he undergoes some kind of miracle recovery in 2 months and the Yankees happen to make the playoff– and even then the chances are remote– I can’t fathom he’ll pitch again this season. Very disapointing but I take some solace in that it’s a injury requiring surgery.
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I love Pete for many reasons, this blog’s existence foremost, but I never cherish him more than for this quote:
“The same is true for Steve Phillips. The only training he has as a journalist was lying to the writers when he was a GM. This is the same guy who made up a story about Pedro Martinez’s signing with the Mets being held up by his MRI”
There’s isn’t a media figure I detest more than Steve Philips and that includes Pat Buchanan who I once hit with a tomato at a political rally and barely escaped arrest.
“Kasey: Posada developed a tear in his labrum/rotator cuff through trying to play through Tendonitis.”
thank you. the initial diagnosis was just tendonitis, right? so, hopefully they’re careful with joba and avoid a similar situation.
Tough to win with the rotation the Yanks are throwing out there without Joba. We’ll see if Hughes and Kennedy are the real deal, I guess.
I personally would not put him back into the bullpen; he’s either good enough to start, or he needs to be shut down. There shouldn’t be any in between – if a doctor says he is healthy and good to go, putting him in the pen doesn’t really do much. If a doctor says, “Eh – you know, he probably can pitch through it – but there’s a slight chance he can injure himself further”…then you shut him down. No compromises.
Pete:
You’ve been doing yeoman’s work with this blog the last 2 years. That said, you should probably chill with the medical evaluations and prognostications.
people are reading the words “in a week” and completely missing the word “reevaluated.” it’s every bit as important as the timetable they’re setting for his throwing program.
Jennifer – that’s what they said on YES. Andy and Derek went as the player representatives for the Yanks.
Is it possible that there is anyone worse on television anywhere than Eric Young.
Omg, he makes me love John Kruk.
“Pat Buchanan who I once hit with a tomato at a political rally and barely escaped arrest.”
seriously? that. is. AWESOME.
Last point on Andy Pettie v Guidry.
Andy’s 2005 season in Houston was actually his best. He had an ERA+ of 177, which is still a fair notch below Guidry’s 208 in 1878. But looking at their top 5 seasons of ERA+ (adjusts for league offense at the time) Pettitte stacks up better:
Guidry 208, 146, 140, 123, 121
Pettitte 177, 155, 135, 129, 112
If Guidry was an Ace and Andy wasn’t then you are really only focusing on the one big year. Or not accounting for Pettitte’s pitching this best years in the ‘Roid era.
“I think Peter has some sort of chip on his shoulder because either Girardi, Cashman or any combination of both don’t tell him news immediately after they find it out.”
I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. Girardi has been very vague about a lot of issues with the team this year, not just concerning injuries. I do recall (and I’ve not gone back to look it up so I could be mis-remembering) that when Posada was out but not on the DL yet, Girardi downplayed the injury a lot, even the day before he went on the DL.
It seems like Torre was more forthcoming, or at least said he didn’t know when he didn’t know, rather than saying things were okay/fine/whatever.
But Pete also has a job to do, and I am sure that it doesn’t help to be a reporter you’re not being given any information.
Trisha,
Really, take your meds and chill out. Girardi also said Wang was “not seriously injured” and Bruney suffered “no structural damage” when both suffered Liz Franc injuries. Fairly significant injuries.
If you have any concept of Yankee History, you will know they NEVER tell the truth when it comes to injury.
I don’t know what there is to “crow” about re: Joba. On the scale of what it could be, it MAY not be a serious injury.
Certainly not a surgical type of injury at the present time.
But, make no mistake, they didn’t send Joba to see Dr. Andrews just to “confirm” a diagnosis. That’s not how teams use Dr. Andrews.
They sent him there because he has an injury that will require rehab. Its not “minor” per se, when it comes to the prized arm in the organization.
So, instead of crowing, take a deep breath, and chill out. You still will most likely not see him the rest of the season.
If that’s the case, that means, at minimum, its a 6-8 week injury. Fairly serious if you ask me.
Interestingly enough, Joba has thrown 89 innings this year. If he is shut down for the rest of the year and doesn’t rehab and throw any more innings…he’ll have an innings cap next year, as well as this year that could be lower than this year.
Fran- that is sad, I understand they played a night game, and it throws their schedules off, but show the man some respect.
It’s funny how some of you just believe what the team says. Posada was said to have “rotator cuff tendinitis.” As Dr. Altchek said a few days ago, he had a torn labrum and likely did it in spring training.
I’m sorry I’m not giving you cheery news. But I was right about Hughes and Wang. Why in the world would you think they’ll take a chance on a 22-year-old kid with a rotator cuff issue?
Teams use generic medical terms to mask injuries all the time. Inflammation, tendinitis, strains, etc.
They said Wang had a “sprained” foot. Right. Either that or a torn tendon and ligament that would knock him out for the rest of the season.
I wish Joba was pitching Friday, The last thing I want to do is cover a third place team and go write Mets sidebars in the playoffs. But I’m going to tell you what I know and what doctors and others have told me.
Take it or leave it, your choice.
Why you would be willing to share that cowardly act with anyone else is beyond me. You loon.
“There’s isn’t a media figure I detest more than Steve Philips and that includes Pat Buchanan who I once hit with a tomato at a political rally and barely escaped arrest.”
Pete don’t worry, you won’t be writing Met side bars, they won’t make the playoffs.
Cone is very positive about Joba.
Touché, Pete. Touché.
Two things, Joba is far from his innings limit still needs about 50 more to hit around 140. Second, I doubt they would put him in the pen. If anything, maybe they try and get by without him and if they make the playoffs, bring him back two starts before the playoffs. Switching a guy back and forth from the pen to teh rotation, especially a young power guy with a history of muscle strains, could cause lots of damage. Just moving him once was already a questionable health concern move and shifting him back is a bad idea.
Rotator cuff tendinitis is actually a common issue among pitchers, swimmers, etc. Its just a little inflammation of the tendons in the shoulder. Pete says its “a small tear” but thats not necessarily the case. If there is a significant tear in a tendon then surgery is required but if not then Joba will be fine. If the Yankees are being truthful with this injury then the latest we see Joba is September 1.
By the way Pete, the labrum is cartilage so rotator cuff tendinitis in no way means he has an injured labrum.
Perhaps Posada had inflammation in his rotator cuff and tried to play through it which in turn could alter his throwing mechanics. This could have caused the injured labrum.
Pete- I think its a different situation. Joba threw one 96 mph on his last pitch. If he had anythign severely wrong with his shoulder, needing surgery, the is NO WAY he would have hit 96.
Peter and SJ with the medical degrees…
Yeah it took them a few days with Wang for a full diagnosis.. Cashman is that foolish to risk Joba for this year!!!!No way, if he is fit to pitch again why not, let the doctors decide. I do not think Peter or SJ have the credentials on this matter.
Peter, didn’t they say this about Wang in the initial post-game interviews? You can’t really expect them to give you intricate details about CMW when they themselves haven’t completed all the necessary tests.
Also, there is a difference between inflammation and strains. To group them together is misleading, they mean completely two different things. Strain is a “nice way” of saying something is torn, inflammation is swelling.
thanks once again to SJ and pete for trying to bring a little bit of reason to the board.
there are many of us who appreciate it. unfortunately, it’s tough to wade through the comments and find that most days.
I never realized so many doctors posted on this blog. Good to know.
So Pete, then, what do you think Joba’s injury really is then?
I’m skeptical of what any corporation reveals about its health or that of its personnel.
Do you think Joba actually sustained an injury warranting surgery or at the very least an injury more grievous than the tendinitis they’ve reported. If so, then what?
SJ-
Earlier I pointed out Robi’s performance this year –
May – .295
June- .287
July- .327
He’s a 2b – to expect him to lead the offense would be unprecedented this side of the (miserable) cubs led by Sandberg.
A-Rod, Jeter and Posada were supposed to lead this club – not a young 2b.
We have an exceptional talent under contract for years at an affordable rate – we should keep him imho for years.
Yes, Kasey, I did throw tomatoes at Pitchfork Pat. Something I’m proud of but wouldn’t recommend doing or repeating. I almost ended up in jail.
Question didn’t the Yankees admit pretty much right away that Jorge would need surgery at the end of the season?
wow throwing a tomato at Pat Buchanan, a conservative. Someone you don’t agree with. Wow. That is why I am ashamed as a former Marine that I fought to defend idiots like you.
“if you want to hammer on people being prematurely pessimistic, let’s go both ways. until we see the kid back on the mound again, let’s not play the “i told you so†game one way or the other, deal?”
Oh you must have missed the point altogether. Premature pessimism is a HALLMARK of this forum. I wouldn’t expect anything else. It was the ridiculous “diagnosing” by the forum doctors and the know-it-all doom and gloom soothsaying, prompted by the onerous updates at the top of this blog.
It was pure bull.
It could have ended up being a terrible situation. It wasn’t. The whole theory was to wait until you really knew what you were talking about. But that doesn’t ever happen here. The parrot bar immediately starts chirping.
The 1-0 continual score here is because as soon as Girardi says something, Pete and others typically counter with “the real deal” – until we find out we indeed haven’t been lied to.
I think a rational person would actually listen hard to whatever the people who REALLY know are saying – the people in the organization.
If you read the lead-ins on this blog, you were told it was definitely very bad.
Well it wasn’t.
Girardi IMMEDIATELY said he didn’t think it was very serious and he gave the BASEBALL reasons why. Once again this forum blew right by that and ran with the onerous lead ins.
So once again the forum got it wrong.
Waiting to find out is the only thing I was talking out. You know, not borrowing trouble?
That’s all.
Pete, I think people were confused with your phrasing. With your explanation, it’s more clear. Originally, it sounded as if you were defining rotator cuff tendinitis, rather than telling us the Yankees were not offering up the full scope of the injury. Thanks for keeping on the beat, though. We appreciate it. (P.S. – It’s HIPAA).
Thanks Pete!
I liked David Cone’s optimism there. But since he didn’t growl at all when he said it, is there any reason to believe that he meant it?
Also, since the person who was giving the phony Steve Philips info was obviously lying to rile up the board, can there be some little ramification for that?
“Yes, Kasey, I did throw tomatoes at Pitchfork Pat.”
god bless you.
alright, that’s enough time here for me today. time to follow the game via mlb.com cell phone updates and then catch pineapple express.
you all enjoy the bickering!
well, we should make this guy look like cy young too!!!
God Bless to someone who throws stuff at people they disagree with. Unreal. I don’t agree with Republicans and democrats, and Red Sox fans. But why would I throw something at them. That is a disgrace. And Buchanan I disagree with alot also.
Alright-Time to get to work Sidney. Please be good
Hunter Watch:
3 out of 3 retired
Yeah… brilliant.
“The 1-0 continual score here is because as soon as Girardi says something, Pete and others typically counter with “the real deal†– until we find out we indeed haven’t been lied to.”
except that, y’know, girardi and the yankees have consistently and continually lied to the media about injuries.
or did you miss the initial chien-ming wang “diagnosis” this year?
pete and SJ44 have done a pretty nice job of laying out the reasons why girardi and the yanks don’t have a whole lot of credence when it comes to breaking bad news.
all i’m saying is, wait until the kid’s back out on the mound to attempt to make anyone feel like an idiot for assuming he might be done for the year (which, by the way, is still a very viable scenario, just ask chien-ming wang and his “sprained” foot).
have a good one.
ohh im so excited i just found out that directv MLB package is showing the YES feed and i dont have to listen to the dillweed ESPN guys…
Fasten your seat belts and get ready for an incomparable thrill ride.
And remember, it’s not the heat, it’s the Ponsanity!
This kid must be in hog heaven. His ERA’s already gone down a whole point.
why does giambi toss it to the pitcher on every play he could make himself….
Just remember –
You can’t spell eponymous w/o ponson!
(or can you?)
“Jim S
August 6th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
wow throwing a tomato at Pat Buchanan, a conservative. Someone you don’t agree with. Wow. That is why I am ashamed as a former Marine that I fought to defend idiots like you”
I know. Sad, isn’t it.
Kill-Schill, you have made my bleeding progressive heart day. Screw Pat Buchanan.
Also, I don’t know if you all saw the crawl, but Orlando’s brother was claimed by the Rockies, so that option is kaput. Oh well.
Hopefully IPK and Phil can do better the 3rd time around.
In case you care, my country right or wrong, Jim S, Pat Buchanan has a special affection for the Nazi war criminals who exterminated half of my father’s family.
He also argued that the US, even after Pearl Harbor was bombed didn’t need to enter WW II.
Go read his last book, if you don’t believe me.
So if that offends you, then I’m ashamed you actually served or represented our country. I guess we’re about even then.
Ponsoney!
get to work bats
I don’t think we will be seeing Al Aceves up here anytime soon.
tonight 4ip 7 hits 4er 1 walk 3k’s
SJ44,
I know somehow you are privy to either inside information, or you do a lot of baseball research.
Therefore, how do the Yankee scouts measure up against other teams, e.g., Rays, Red Sox, etc. ?
The reason I bring it up is because there have been deals done that would seem to be in the Yankees favor, but turn out to be less than what they expected. If Jeff Karsten’s turns out to be a very good starting pitcher, I have to wonder if our scouting is poor.
Like to hear your insight into Yankee scouting.
Still waiting to hear from you SJ…
a hit would be nice. Baby steps
Boy, our offense does suck.
Karstens, my boy, we miss you.
Jesus christ. Crappy pitchers nationwide drool all over themselves when they see the Yankees on the schedule. Talk about a quick fix to get the ole ERA down a few runs, huh?
PATHETIC.
GO SIDNEY!
For the DUH members of the crowd I’ll try this one more time. (I don’t know all of the culprits because there was nothing that interested me less than five million different layperson takes on what was going on with Joba.)
One more time. Wait til you get information. Chill in the meantime. Yankees don’t owe you information so you will get it when they feel the time is right.
That was my entire message. I never chimed in on whether it was serious or not serious because I am bright enough to know I had no idea – just like I was bright enough to know that reading nonstop hysteria wasn’t going to get me any closer to the truth.
If the information today was Joba would never pitch again, then it would have been. But at least it would have been official information.
It will never happen here with most posters but I will still say the most rational way to do life is to wait to find out and not spin out of control with boogeymen thoughts in the meantime. I don’t see how you can punch holes in that as an intelligent way to go.
Nolan Hunter with the 5 hit shutout tonight?
Ok KILL (nice moniker) and you can be ashamed of my service. AT LEAST I SERVED! can’t believe a political argument here. But I don’t agree with alot about Buchanan. And last I checked he didn’t participate in the holocaust. But I also despise Jane Fonda for what she did to Vietnam POW’s. But I won’t throw things at her. You are a twit.
Cy Young Hunter
Perhaps we should be happy for Joba. At least he won’t have to suffer the indignity of being in the same dugout with this group of losers.
Throwing things at people, no matter what their beliefs, is childish and immature. It is also an act of aggression.
Kill Schill – your comments towards a Marine are disgusting. You should be on your knees thanking God for the Marines. How dare you insult one? You are pathetic and sad to be thrilled at projectiles toward people you disagree with. Disgusting and sad.
CW – KS
Gentlemen (I presume)
It is going to be hard to keep politics out of the blog in the next several months. Let’s try to keep this a baseball blog.
Please and Thank You!
TAK
kasey -
See if you can assimilate this. He could have been done for the year. The point was to wait until you found out.
Have a good day too now!
Oh boy
ugh, no politics please. that’s the quickest way to make what promises – nay, VOWS – to be a crappy game way crappier.
Here’s the real Ponson.
anybody else smell rain??? i think a storm’s a brewing.
Jim S, I agree with you, but let’s leave politics out of this, this is a sports blog OK.
Let’s talk baseball.
We can all effectively ignore the posters who say that the offense sucks.
The Yanks are the #9 offense in all of baseball.
Ok. Lets hear it. “Yeah but this…”, “Yeah but that…”.
Whatever. Facts are facts.
Worst case scenario is 4-0 after this AB, don’t panic.
Bases loaded, nobody out. Game over.
Ok Pete, I wonder how Dr. James Andrews feels about having to lie about the extent of Joba’s injury in order to facilitate the vast Yankke conspiracy to lie about injuries. And by the way, you were dead wrong to say tendinitus is a tear, you’re thinking of a sprain. Anyway, I choose to reamin optimistic that Joba will be back by Sept 1st and help make our September run.
If Robertson goes down, don’t expect him back up this year.
Melancon will replace him and everyone else standing in the way of his set-up role. He is the next Joba, except he’s staying in the pen.
IF the Yankees make the playoffs, I bet we’ll see Joba again. But that’s a big IF.
Thank god Betemit didn’t try to throw that ball… that would have been bad.
The handle Kill Schilling about sums it up.
Could you imagine going onto a Sox site and reading posts from Kill Joba or Kill Pettitte.
Obviously he disagrees with Schilling’s political persuasion, or maybe Schilling killed his dog.
See, I started with the political retort, but transitioned back to the Yanks, I’m good at the multi-tasking.
(Unlike A-Rod, who apparently can’t pick up the ball and throw it to first. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.)
**throws a tomato at Gerald Laird… just because**
Manny just hit a HR, my boy.
Back to the OLD ponson I see.
Ponson must deliver us from this mess!!!!
Why would Robertson go down? He is one of our better relievers
aaand here comes the inevitable 3 run deficit. awesome. this sport ROCKS.
Singleton says Ponson with good control, does he look at stats???
our lineup is really schooled the 22 yr old.. talking about rushing guys up to the big league, 4 or 5 starts in AAA in total….
yeah they follow the Yankee way of prospects progressing…
I didn’t start the politics. I don’t want to talk it either. I can’t believe it is deja vu with this team.
R I P 2008
Yeah-Sidney, this is not what you are suppose to do.
Shall we play the “How many runs Ponson gives up game”? Whenever we try to play it, he surprises us and does well. Get those shot glasses ready?
That was Betemit at third, not A-Rod…
smart play by Cano.
Yeah, umps, meet and discuss. DAMMIT.
ANOTHER. BLOWN. CALL. I. HATE. UMPIRES.
Jeff NJ, Girardi, who was a catcher and actually knows baseball and baseball injuries, said from the start that he didn’t think it was serious because Joba’s velocity wasn’t affected and there wasn’t a lot of pain.
But what does he know.
ladies and gents, go ahead and make plans for a nice october vaction
Nor did I,
GD kill Schilling with his political commentary needs to take a GD hike.
What a dumbass, should have thrown home.
Pepitone,
I don’t think the Yankees have, or should have any regrets on the trade. None of those 4 pitchers were going to make an impact with the Yankees this year or next year. Nady and Marte will be assets to the team this year and next year.
That’s how you evaluate the trade.
Karstens pitched a very nice game today. Let’s remember though, he’s facing guys for the first time in a new league. He has the advantage right now.
Long term? I just don’t see him being a guy that will be anything more than a journeyman/long reliever in his career.
The Yankees did fine with the trade.
Trisha,
In a perfect world, accurate information is always something that’s preferred.
However, as has been documented chapter and verse in here, the Yankees honesty when it comes to injury information has been less than stellar.
So, while you may recoil at the thought that anybody would question a Yankees Press Release, those of us who have seen how they operate ALWAYS look at them with doubt.
As far as Joba “only” having tendinitis, I certainly hope that’s the case.
Just because they (the Yankees) say it though, doesn’t make it true.
sigh…
oy vey…it was an out
Wow, they just overturned that. Clearly it was a catch.
chuck knoblauch anyone?
I’m glad they took the run off and got the out… but that would have been a DP.
Anyway, GO YANKEES!
Flashbacks of Chuckie with Cano arguing as the runners advance
Umpiring has been a bit off this series
Maybe our luck is turning?
wow, cano is an idiot…but it was an out — he could have had a triple play if he just kept playing.
You can’t judge a trade 2 weeks after its made!!!
LOL, are there seriously people saying we should have kept Karstens? LOL!!!
Strikes man! Strikes!!
Ponson blows
While I am happy for Jeff Karstens, it should be noted that there were numerous deep drives hit off of him today. In fact, the Pirates’ blogger version of Pete at one point didn’t think he’d make it out of the first or second inning based on the long balls caught on the warning track.
Can anyone tell me any evidence that was available before the trade that said anything about Karstens pitching well in teh majors?
Didn’t think so.
why does singleton keep thinking A-rod is on 3rd?
Ponson can’t throw strikes with his FB or curveball, what CAN he do for this team?
what bad baseball.
2 shots
“You can’t judge a trade 2 weeks after its made!!!”
You’re right. Remember the Teixeira one last yr? The Gagne one? The Carlos Beltran trade?
“At least I served.” Big deal. So did I, Jim S, so what?
Our are opinions entitled to more respect than anyone else’s? No, you’re still a yahoo.
Throwing tomatoes is a non-violent expression of political protest. It doesn’t hurt anyone.
Would you find some reason to object if I threw tomatoes at defendner of Osama Bin-Laden or Sheik Omar Abdul-Rahman?
“wow, cano is an idiot…but it was an out — he could have had a triple play if he just kept playing.”
BS – he had no other play and if he didn’t argue they would have screwed the yanks.
Can Joba throw lefty while he’s rehabbing his right shoulder? And replace Ponson?
Cano just is not a smart guy.. argue after you get 2 outs.. he did catch the ball but he did not keep his composure…
so far so bad tonight, I am optimistic the offense will wake up call me a optimist….
Sir Sidney was pretty damn good last start…
A bunch of Umfofoos on this blog, man… “What have you done for me lately EDDDIIIIIEEEEEEE?”
Just got home . How’d we do with Tommy Hunter. Is he a Catfish yet?
“Jeff NJ, Girardi, who was a catcher and actually knows baseball and baseball injuries, said from the start that he didn’t think it was serious because Joba’s velocity wasn’t affected and there wasn’t a lot of pain.
But what does he know.”
Joe Girardi also said there was no structural damage to Brian Bruney when he had his big lis franc injury. The Yankees haven’t been forethright with injury information, so it’s safe to doubt them. Even tendinitis in the rotator cuff worries me. The rotator cuff is so important and damage is not easily fixed. If it ever were to get worse, things could get bad. Every effort needs to be made to try and prevent shoulder surgery from ever being needed.
Boneheaded play by Cano there. He did make the catch and credit the umps for eventually getting it right, but you need to play through the play, get the outs and then argue.
If Ponson can get out of this with two runs given up, I’d count him lucky.
Wow. What a play, but both players are hurt
Oh great more politics. Last time I checked throwing things is violent, and Bin-Laden and the Sheik are not AMERICANS but actual TERRORISTS! Great comparison. Why don’t you shut up and just give it a rest.
Well at least Moeller cleared waivers today.
Texas is unfortunate place for Yankees’ starter this year.
Wang and Joba get hurt here. So sad…
That was interesting, Michelle about contracted athletes waiving their HIPAA rights. I didnt know that.
Its almost ironic considering that HIPAA became law because the privacy rights of a former athlete were violated.
Great job by Abreu.
That’s why defense in the outfield is so important.
This team is cursed. And that is all Ponson’s fault, by the way.
Stupid ex Red Sock Murphy.
Wow, what a play by Pudge.
And for the record, I would not object if someone threw a tomato at Ponson right now.
great throw….wow murphy never even got to the plate…PUDGE is a MONSTER..i hope he is ok
and don’t goes Pudge
my dad goes “well I hope Moller clears waivers again”
Here we go !!!!!
Pudge is a rock!!! Man I hope he’s ok
Paging Chad Moeller !!!!!!!
and down goes Pudge
my dad goes “well I hope Moller clears waivers again”
wow they threw someone out at home.. that rarely happens with this bunch..may be a big play..
This year we wont make it just too many bad lucks. i rather miss the playoff than get bounce in the playoff first round
[ ladies and gents, go ahead and make plans for a nice october vaction ]
I already did—over two months ago.
Joe T – someone just said Moeller did clear!
Anyone know if Sexson or Nady or Damon or anyone else can clear waivers?
And Pudge is out of the game, Molina is on deck.
Pudge is one tough customer…
We’ve got some fight left in us yet!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
this doesnt look good… not a single hit against a 10.80 era pitcher
I have a good idea! Let’s all start diagnosing Pudge’s injury!
(joking)
you cant win when you lost 4 starters in ur rotation in 1 year
Yankees 2008 = Red Sox 2006
maybe we’ll get lucky next year.
last point for me. How can you say “big deal” to serving. It is a big deal. At least it was for me and my fellow Marines. I’m done with you “KILL”. You make me sick. I won’t listen to you anymore. I’m here to watch baseball and baseball comments. That’s it.
Murphy’s in the game… come on Pudge grow a pair!
Hopefully he’s not seriously injured, but he appears to be ok
Those trades that made Cashman a genius a week ago do not seem so great at the moment… Not sure what to make of this regime… I know it’s only been a week since we were all blown away by the job Cashman did at the deadline, but a deeper look into the organization should be made by the Steinbrenner family. Injuries happen… but when 75% of your top 20 prospects or young Major Leaguers are either rehabbing from off season surgeries or nursing new injuries back to health one has to wonder about,
a) The team’s medical staff and b) the teams conditioning program. Both of which are Cashman’s responsibility to oversee.
Injured Top 20
Joba Chamberlain- shoulder
Phil Hughes – Rib
Tabata – Hamstring (since traded)
Brackman – TJS
Christian Garcia – TJS & Knee surgery
Humberto Sanchez – TJS
Alan Horne – TJS and Various injuries all season long
JB Cox – TJS
Melancon – TJS
Kennedy – upper body injury
Kevin Whelan – shoulder tendentious
Austin Romine – DL stint upper body injury
Heredia – DL stint upper body injury
Betances – DL stint tired arm?
Juan Miranda – DL back problems.
Jonathan Albaladejo – DL serious arm issues
Notice a pattern? Bad-luck? (is there such a thing?)
What is really scary is that this pattern extends beyond the top 20 or even 30 youngsters…
Not all of these injuries are serious. However, each of these injuries has hampered their growth and impacted their prospect status. Someone has to take some heat here. Someone has to be accountable for this lack of examining or misreading the medical records on this injury prone stable of players. It’s one thing to gamble on the health of a player or two but these numbers are scary.
While I applaud the commitment to youth and growing the farm system, betting on so many kids with a history of injuries may set this organization back for many years. Let’s say Hank looks at this situation and determines that the F/A route is the way to go. We could have a return to the 1980s Yankee way.
Cashman has a long history of acquiring injured or injury prone players…need I even mention Pavano, Wright, Johnson, Brown, Giambi, Betemit, Matsui (Yeah I know Japanese version of Cal Ripken), Point is How many games has he missed since he was re-signed… Cashman has to evaluate the way does business. He has to evaluate ones ability to stay on the field as well as their talent. The injury problem has plagued this organization for the last 3 or 4 years. It is time for a change in leadership or a change in policy.
C’mon Yanks, make a statement here and get some runs!
“That’s why defense in the outfield is so important.”
Slow down, I’m taking notes!
If Sidney can settle down, life might actually work out tonight…
And you’re right it doesn’t look great for Pudge.
The way Pudge is limping doesn’t bode well, but we’ll see…
when it rains it pours
not good he is being assited down to the clubhouse….
dont worry tho its only tendonitis……
Lets sign CC no matter what sure sign tex but if its way too much dont even bother CC should be on the top of the list
the woes of 2008 never end
“I have a good idea! Let’s all start diagnosing Pudge’s injury!”
Yeah – that’s hilarious – Maybe we can still exchange him for Farny’s Flameout freeforall!
Jets have offered GB a 4th rd pick that can escalate to a 2nd rd pick according to ESPN. This could be amazing for the Jets (I’m a Jets fan btw), we could get Favre and get a Top-10 pick too
Oh no, what happens now if Molina gets injured?!! Jeter to catch?
“you cant win when you lost 4 starters in ur rotation in 1 year”
Which is why it is amazing that this team is only 3.5 behind the Sux.
“Obviously, he wouldn’t make that start if Joba wouldn’t have gone down,” Girardi said. “But we’re expecting him to come up and pitch the way he did in September.”
Girardi does not seem happy about Ian coming up
We’ll be lucky to see Pudge again this season. They are saying a bruised knee, but I’m betting its a torn ACL.
“I don’t think the Yankees have, or should have any regrets on the trade. None of those 4 pitchers were going to make an impact with the Yankees this year or next year. Nady and Marte will be assets to the team this year and next year.”
I agree SJ44, but that’s not really what I am asking.
What I am asking is, do you think, with your info, that the Yankee scouting system is one of the better (e.g. Rays, D-Backs, RedSox) in the Majors. I say that because, as you know, the collapse in 1965 and 1982 – 93, was poor scouting equaling poor farm systems.
hope betemit runs into one
what happened to pudge?
Great………..now Pudge is hurt. I blame it all on Abreu and his showing off his stupid, strong a## arm with another assist.
ON the Joba front, I was quite taken aback when I saw clips from his being thrown out for throwing at pukelis last year. Maybe I am wrong, but it appears he has put on some 20 pounds. Say what you want about Roger (and there is a lot to say), but maybe the xtra weight put strain on his shoulderand he could use the exercise program. Can’t they have a weekly weigh-in or something? JUst don’t understand the laissez-faire attitude toward players whom you pay millions of dollars to perform with their bodies.
we can only win if kennedy return to kennedy from last september
Question, can the Yankees grab Moeller again now?
The Lone Star State has been rough on us…
Let’s take these next two and get outta there!
Pudge must have gotten banged up in the collision.
ALLRIGHT BETAMAX!!
You wonder if one of their guys getting hurt suddenly wakes something up in teammates.
Only play Betemit against righties!
I hope Pudge is okay.
I doubt Pudge is injured. Probably a little bruised.
Notice that bad things happen to catchers when the Yanks designate Chad Moeller?
First time, the Posada injury gets worse and he goes on the D.L.
Second time, Pudge goes down.
When will they learn?
(Note that this post is tongue in cheek)
This is just great. the way it looked he took a very solid knee to the upper leg.
Pickin it up for Pudge.
Imagine this great situation. We trade Farnsworth for 5 games of Pudge.
Hit with RISP!
No freakin way!!!!!!
“The Lone Star State has been rough on us…”
VERY rough on us. Weirdly rough on us. I mean what are the chances.
Uh oh. Jeter up next. Hopefully Damon doesn’t single or walk.
nice job cano, molina, and betemit…let’s put a 5 spot on this inning
betemit is not bad, this season hes been getting alot of good hits
Tie game.
Tie game!
We win this one!!!!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
Good situational AB by Damon there
Captain dp wont get the run in
“Imagine this great situation. We trade Farnsworth for 5 games of Pudge.”
At first I saw this as we traded Farnsworth for 5lbs. of Fudge.
Nice.
Get more runs
Whats with all the optimism??
I thought the only thing that happened here was pissing and moaning…
27, YES showed Pudge leaving the dugout walking gingerly and being supported on both sides.
Bronx Jeers,
still worth it.
Infield in? Against Ponson? Washington has reefer madness!
THAT is jeter
Hold on a sec… I thought Jeter sucked…???
I don’t know why Texas had the infield in, Ponson is on the mound.
YES!
Accidental hit by Jeter!!!!!
wow im surpised
YES! w00t!
well moeller can be brought up if pudge goes on the DL.
Matt: i hope.
does favre have interest in ny, tho?
someone need to tell him, there is hunting in the adirondacks.
never mind Trisha, he is badly hurt. I was looking on Gameday adn based on teh fact that they didn’t show a injury delay, I figured it couldn’t be too bad. Once they showed the video, holy crap!!
Cue the obligatory negative injury post. “Well, I guess Pudge is out for the season. The Yankees always lie about injuries, look at what happened with Wang, Posada, etc. Remember, the Yankees tend to break bad news slowly, so it probably means the he is on his deathbed right now.”
The Captain comes through! Keep scoring runs and don’t look back!!!!
We will overcome!!!!
The Post Season is our destiny!!!!!
Cashman just frowned and put the Jeter DFA papers back in his desk until tomorrow.
Nice job Jetes! That will shut people up for 20 minutes.
Nothing to do with this game, but I just heard on TV someone called 911 because his pizza delivery was wrong. Godd lord.
Michelle, kinda funny, we can never get rid of the need to have Moeller. It is starting to piss me off.
Sutcliff for once actually makes sense….Don Drysdale knockoff ( announcer wise only )
Just a question, how much longer is Jeter’s 10 year contract? When does it end?
“Cashman has a long history of acquiring injured or injury prone players…need I even mention Pavano, Wright, Johnson, Brown, Giambi, Betemit, Matsui (Yeah I know Japanese version of Cal Ripken), Point is How many games has he missed since he was re-signed… Cashman has to evaluate the way does business. He has to evaluate ones ability to stay on the field as well as their talent. The injury problem has plagued this organization for the last 3 or 4 years. It is time for a change in leadership or a change in policy.”
VOIII, you know that’s somewhat along the lines I’m asking. I sense something is not right within the organization. I could be totally wrong, but there are too many mistakes, and injuries, that tell me someone is not keeping their eye on the ball.
Angel, i am trying to do a little more research on the HIPAA stuff…
but this came from an actual HIPAA form..Its re: whether the athlete has to disclose his prior injuries or treatments
For professional teams, health and injury information is considered criteria for employment, because of the nature of the job. Therefore, an injured athlete would not be able legally to withhold injury information from a team to whom he or she is contractually obliged. This also means that health and treatment information could be shared with coaches and team owners (Magee, Almekinders, & Taft, 2003).
“Matt: i hope.
. The Jets need an offensive playmaker. A star RB or a WR. I’d rather draft a QB in the draft next yr, maybe Tebow
does favre have interest in ny, tho?
someone need to tell him, there is hunting in the adirondacks.”
To be honest I’d only trade for Favre if he guarantees he doesn’t retire after next season so he could tell us who to sign
Actually Moeller was one of my favorite players. Notice that when he wasn’t gathering dust he actually did a good job of catching and he also managed some hits!
We definitely have the baseball gods watching over us if he cleared wavers.
Jim S August 6th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Nothing to do with this game, but I just heard on TV someone called 911 because his pizza delivery was wrong.
I thought it was a subway sandwich? Either way, the dude is an idiot.
VOIII
I gotta agree with you… it’s scary to see how many people there are injured. A couple of the TJS pitchers were drafted knowing that they needed the surgery. A few of our injuries this year were definitely freak injuries – Wang and Brunney are two examples of that. Damon and Posada were never on the DL before this year so no one can really be at fault for that. It’s just a shame that those 4 all get hurt, 3 of them missing most of the season. A-Rod who is in probably the best shape of anyone in the major leagues missed almost a month with an injury, Jeter missed some time as well, came back too early and missed even more time.
jeter doesnt bother to steal anymore, he has lost a step
Rasner is praying for Moeller to come back.
A-Rod is about due for a home run!
Wow. Jeter was dead meat and Young dropped it.
Intangibles!
We DEFINITELY are going to win this game. That kind of stuff just never happens to us.
Wow.
that is jeter, you never seen jeter getting pick off before this year
wow we actually got lucky
He really does have an edge!
And obviously that error doesn’t matter
S.A. I heard it in another room, you are probably right. But can you believe if someone died because of this idiot?
they should put an opt-out clause for every year of arod’s contract. I bet that get’s him hitting with RISP.
Pudge has a history of avoiding the DL. He’ll be OK after treatment. Molina is scheduled to catch Mussina tomorrow anyway.
arod stinks hes unwatchable
There we go “Mr. Clutch” strikes out. What a shock!
Great display there by our 2 stars! DJ gets picked off and A-Rod strucks out with a RISP. Boy, what a team!
Matt – you don’t want Tebow.. he’s not going to be a good NFL QB in my opinion. Keep in mind that I go to UCF and don’t like UF, but Tebow is just a huge freak of nature that’s quick on his feet and can bull people over.. I don’t think he can do that in the NFL… only time will tell though, I will say that he has a good chance to win the Heisman a second time. He has said he wants to stay at UF for all 4 years, obviously many people have said that (UCF’s own Kevin Smith who is now with the Lions for one) and not come back, but if he stays he’ll win it again
Pat M,
I’m sorry but I disagree. Sutcliff makes no sense. He just went on a tangent on Joba being injury prone and when he comes back he should stay in the bullpen. Then to top it off praised how good Betemit is as a hitter. The guy is a terribly uniformed announcer.
anyone have the stat on the number of K’s by Arod?
Damn
Alright Ponson, we have the lead. Let’s keep it that way.
I’ve been a supporter of a-rod…but this is getting ridiculous. Get a f’in hit with RISP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steves Wrong, Jeter didn’t put the yankees up 3-2…
Yet another clutch at bat by the HR happy A-Rod.
Now let’s all pull for Sidney because we need this game and because he’s a Yankee. Stop trashing him and stop with the negativity. Good vibes are needed for this team!
“Pudge has a history of avoiding the DL. He’ll be OK after treatment. Molina is scheduled to catch Mussina tomorrow anyway.”
I’m sure that will make Pudge feel better!
matt: yup. The jets have been conservative, for too long. Need to take a chance on offense. The last offensive weapon we had, was keyshawn. LoL. And if you don’t count vinny’s year before the achilles injury, the last top QB was namath. : )
standings on August 6 2005:
http://www.baseball-reference......2005-08-06
Who are the other draft-eligible QBs? We should draft someone with a better arm than Pennington, but than again if Johnny Damon played football he’d be a Jet
Back to the Yankees, I hope Pudge’s injury isn’t too severe. Molina catches Moose tomorrow and than Pudge can possibly return Friday for IPK/Giese.
Arod is trying to hard to be the entire offense for the Yanks. (Altho I can see why), but he’ll be better off just letting the game come to him.
I think it’s okay to pitch around Hamilton every day of the week by the way.
Erin is Hot
jeter should have stolen first to give arod a more stress free at bat.
i mean you don’t have to stay on second.
Jim S August 6th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
S.A. I heard it in another room, you are probably right. But can you believe if someone died because of this idiot?
omg I know.
Seriously, what the hell was that guy thinking calling 911 over a wrong food order?
Well, then again..I guess he wasn’t thinking. A brain would be necessary.
Nice inning Sidney.
One thing about Giambi, he scoops pretty well.
Erin Andrews and Rick Sutcliffe?????
Boy, do I miss the days of Joe Garagiola and Tony Kubek.
Nice job by Ponson. Back to work bats
Joe T,
Agreed…We all know there is nothing we can do about freak injuries like Wang or Bruney. They happen, but there is an definate pattern here and it needs to be addressed. Maybe some preventative medicine, i.e. MRIs and complete body scans every Spring for every player, constant monitoring of the players health etc…The Yankees have a lot of money and time invested in their personnel it is time they protected their assets.
a-rod has 74 k’s this yr and 1598k’s in his career
Well duh it just hit me. The game is on ESPN tonight.
I would love to see a back to back by Giambi and Nady.
Where do these idiots come from? Someone once called the Police because someone stole his pot.
“One thing about Giambi, he scoops pretty well.”
You betcha!
in case you missed it:
“BOSTON FIRST BASEMAN KEVIN YOUKILIS LEFT THE GAME IN THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST INNING DUE TO A RIGHT HAND CONTUSION AFTER GETTING HIT BY A PITCH.”
While we don’t cheer any player’s injury, I did enjoy the tortured grimace on Youk’s face as shown on the KC broadcast’s super slo-mo.
Joba is likely to be fined as a result of the Youk HBP. Just because.
Nice Giambino!
Thats one vince
GIAMBINO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Half way there Vince.
those k’s come pretty standard with power hitters (with the exception of pujols). hr’s and k’s.
he should’ve shaved a long time ago
You know, for a man without a mustache, he has some pop
How about that?
Get rid of the stache, start to hit.
He’s tough to hate.
2005 rotation around Aug 6 2005:
Small
Chacon
Leiter
Moose (mediocre year)
Randy Johnson
so while this week seems like a low point, history – recent history – shows that it’s premature to be on the ledge.
especially since Mad Dog Russo declared the Yanks dead today. That means we’re in the playoffs.
Giambi! ‘stache free and loving it.
Vince black !! nice .500 average
why didnt he shave it long ago? what is wrong with him
“Where do these idiots come from? Someone once called the Police because someone stole his pot.”
C’mon, Jim, you’re making that up…aren’t you?
I mean that sounds like a joke Letterman or Leno would use.
“While we don’t cheer any player’s injury, I did enjoy the tortured grimace on Youk’s face as shown on the KC broadcast’s super slo-mo.”
I cannot stop laughing. Oh well shame on me. NOT!
the yanks sign brett marshall 850k bonus damn
arod’s %’s this yr
At Bats: 295 | Flyball: 36.3% | Groundball: 38.6% | Strikeout: 25.1% | GIDP: 2.0%
VOIII – I’m with you… something has to be done, freak injuries happen, but we have to be proactive to prevent the other ones as much as possible
i hope youk will be out for the rest of the year
george, the only people I could see being this yr’s Small/Chacon duo is Giese and IPK, and even that’s a stretch. I was a huge Chacon fan when he was on the Yanks and I was just shocked that he and Small did so well.
Someone really did that. It was on America’s dumbest criminals. They said they found it and asked him to come to the Police Station to claim it. And he did. It was several years ago, but really happened.
Career ending for Pudge too?
““While we don’t cheer any player’s injury, I did enjoy the tortured grimace on Youk’s face as shown on the KC broadcast’s super slo-mo.â€
Youk’s probably missing Joba now.
Time out !!! Sutcliff is a baffoon, What I was trying to convey was that regrading the drawn in infield I thought he made good points….Other than I have zero use for him….However, it’s ESPN or MLB.COM with the Texas coverage….Lesser of the two options…
just for fun jeter’s percentages for 2008
At Bats: 370 | Flyball: 25.4% | Groundball: 59.2% | Strikeout: 15.4% | GIDP: 4.9%
Olney said that Andrews doesn’t believe Joba’s shoulder is a long-term problem, which is great news.
Pete-
Excellent reporting on Joba’s and Wang’s injuries! Way to hold Girardi’s feet to the fire until he gives you the information you’re entitled to!! But what’s going on with Pudge? It’s already the 4th inning, and that sly Girardi hasn’t murmured but a word to the press about how he’s doing!! Come on, Joe! This is ridiculous. Do you think he’s out for the season? Is it true they flew Dr. Andrews down to Texas to examine him in the trainer’s room? What’s going on!!!!!!!!!?????? We need answers!!!
Love always,
Your #1 fan
Could it be that Giambi is seeing better pitches with Nady behind him rather than Cano???
and by Andrews, I mean Dr. James Andrews, not Erin Andrews
Oh, and RESPECT THE GIAMBINO!!!
what happened to Youk??? Did he get it in the face???
good work Matt!
Jason Giambi – The World’s Most Interesting Man!
“Stay thirsty my friends”
Sox are now up 2-0 on a Lowrie double
I heard about the calling the police over stolen pot story. Ya just have to shake your head and wonder about some people.
One two three four god save the marine corps.
Just like a marine, too, when he can refute the argument, he pulls rank.
You make me SICK, so we’re even.
“Way to hold Girardi’s feet to the fire until he gives you the information you’re entitled to”
Hmmm.
Also, did anyone hear of the Orioles’ rookie pitcher Chris Waters, who threw 8 innings of 1-hit ball in his debut vs the Angels?
Obviously not because Baltimore is terrible
Pete is not entitled to anything other than to be allowed the privilege of going into the clubhouse of a private organization and reporting back on whatever he is told in that clubhouse. He doesn’t have to like what he hears but that’s in the fast lane.
75 k’s; 25% of the time. Not good…thanks for the stats Michelle. this is why his average seems so plastic to me.
Nearly as many K’s as Giambi hit…and these guys bat back to back in the line-up
Double great news there on Marshall and Olney (on Joba).
Marshall was a very nice sign. I imagine with Boras on the case Cole and Bleich get signed at like 11:59:59 on the 15th. I just cannot imagine the Yankees drafting a guy like Cole and then letting him go back to Juco.
wow – whats with the two GI Joes going after each other…Peace fellas…this is a baseball blog.
OK, who’s got Sidney Ponson!! This guy is obviously an impostor.
“Just for your own reference: “tendinitis†is often a nice way to say he has a little tear in his rotator cuff.”
Just read the news on Joba. For the record, this is NOT an accurate statement. I think Pete is thinking of the term “strain”, which is actually a very mild tearing of a muscle. Tendonitis is inflammation of a tendon. I can not verify the accuracy or truthfulness of the Yankees statement, but if Joba has tendonitis, he does NOT have any tear. This is a minor injury that should not require surgery and should have no long term consequences given proper rest and rehab. Rushing him could make it worse or result in a subsequent tear. I would guess 3-6 weeks depending on severity and how well it responds to treatment. Given that it’s already August and this team is in 3rd place and going nowhere fast, I wouldn’t chance rushing him one bit.
NOW SHUT UP ABOUT SIDNEY!
By the way is there a link to the marshall signing?
a-rod has 74 k’s this yr and 1598k’s in his career
Believe it or not this season is his best season resulting in not striking out and putting the ball in play. Now if only he could hit w/ RISP
Trisha that was obviously satire.
I don’t want to jinx it, but how about Ponson stepping up so far tonight? Maybe he’s not the most pressing problem on the team.
Pepitone,
To be fair, you can’t evaluate the Yankees from 2000-2004. That’s when the Tampa Mafia had full control of the organization and they pretty much ignored the draft. They were short scouts, didn’t care, and they paid a price over the years. To the tune of over 1 billion in salaries paid at the ML level since 2002 because they didn’t have a farm system. Much of it a waste of money.
When Cashman got full control in May of 2005, things began to change. They hired more scouts (both at the advance and amateur levels), built a state of the art training facility in the Dominican Republic and have used it to do a great job of adding a lot of free agent amateur Latin American talent.
The Steinbrenners also committed a lot more money into amateur scouting. They started paying guy above market salaries (something a lot of teams don’t do), and have built a nice network of regional scouts.
They went from having one of the worst minor league operations to having one of the 5-6 best in the game since 2005.
As far as injuries, a lot of the injuries at Charleston were minor injuries. I’m pretty close to that situation for business reasons and the Yankees get ultra conservative when young guys are hurt.
If a guy strains a quad, they shut him down at the minor league level. If a pitcher has any discomfort, they shut him down.
When it comes to injuries, bad luck plays just as much a role in it as anything. Wang got hurt running. How can someone in the organization be blamed for that?
Bruney got hurt slipping on a wet field in Chicago in a game that should have never been played.
Its just bad luck.
Overall, the organization is really in good shape for the future right now. Their scouts (and they are hiring more after the season) are solid and I think their player evaluations internally have been pretty good.
Who was the last young player the Yankees traded that went on to become a star at his new home?
Its an organization that in a lot of ways has had to play catch up for the last 3 years because of the some horrific decisions made when the Tampa Mafia had George’s ear.
Is Cashman perfect? No. No GM is perfect. I will say though, he is very well regarded by other owners and GM’s in the league (a way to gauge whether or not he’s any good), Hank and Hal really like him, and the guy is as dedicated a person as the Yankees have in the organization.
He understands how to survive in the Yankee Universe. No small talent, I might add.
Even with George more out than in the picture, its still a pretty challenging place to work. You have to deal with a lot of internal politics on a lot of fronts. He does a good job balancing all that stuff. Its not easy.
I think they are moving in the right direction in terms of reshaping the team. Unfortunately, the setbacks by Hughes and Kennedy, as well as Joba’s injuries, certainly cast a pall on what they are trying to do.
The next challenge/frontier is to produce more position players through the system. Slowly but surely, that’s happening. Still a long way to go on that side though.
With guys like Montero, Austin Jackson, Brandon Laird, and a few others, the farm system is becoming filled with top end talent. Something that has been missing for years.
You get that by having good scouts. No other way to do it.
“OK, who’s got Sidney Ponson!! This guy is obviously an impostor.”
Old material Pepi.
Well that’s not the end of the world.
Pudge “day-to-day”
Only question is does he sit tomorrow and play the next day type of “day-to-day” or is this a “he’s-done-for-the-year-day-to-day”
Giambi is gonna go all Josh Hamilton in these last 7 weeks of the season by sporting the very controversial half on half off Chaplin stache.
And it IS Chaplin’s, not that stooge Adolph.
“Trisha that was obviously satire.”
Jerkface, what was?
Giambi has 78 hits in 305 AB’s with 63 k’s
his %’s
Flyball: 49.6% | Groundball: 27.7% | Strikeout: 22.7% | GIDP: 1.1%
Trisha – I enjoy reading your posts. Howwever, I can’t fully comprehend whether you believe:
a) that the Yankees never tell their fans (by way of the media) less than the truth about injuries, or
b) that they don’t owe us anything and can tell whatever suits their needs
In your opinions, what is your top 3 or top 5 ROY voting? Some notable AL rookies include Longoria, Joba, David Murphy, Mike Aviles (best unknown story, but probably 3rd place), and Jacoby Ellsbury (too lazy to look up all the good rookies).
Sir Sidney will probably always scare me. Sorry but he does.
But gotta be fair, other than that inning of horror-good job out of him so far in this game. Hopefully he continues doing well.
joba go bye bye
That makes sense to me. We do have “VIP athlete” members where I work. But I’ve never had anything to do with releasing any of their information so I am not sure of the exceptions there are for those. But it would make sense to me that HIPAA would not completely apply to professional athletes.
I’d imagine there would have to be certain restrictions on what could be released too. I mean they couldn’t be releasing stuff like STD’s and terminal illnesses and things like that – just stuff that relates to baseball injuries that were obtained in the course of playing the game.
That post you quoted and responded with:
Pete is not entitled to anything other than to be allowed the privilege of going into the clubhouse of a private organization and reporting back on whatever he is told in that clubhouse. He doesn’t have to like what he hears but that’s in the fast lane.
Of course he isn’t entitled to anything, but he writes like he is.
Michelle, I’m not a GI Joe. Thank you very much for that disparaging comment. And it was over. And I didn’t start it. That is old news. But calling a serviceman a GI JOE???
Hey maybe this has been asked before but is Brandon Laird related to Gerald?
I’m a Marine. Others are Sailors,Soldiers, Airmen, not GI JOES.
Check it out. Steal a base. Hit and run.
Johnny knows his job is to get to second come hell or highwater!
Tangibles!
Captain Clutch!
Ok, about Jeter.
Can someone explain to me how he has fulfilled his role as captain this year? He is hitting below average, appears to be somewhat injured or fatigued but continues to deny this and always gives his peachy keen spiel after every game, has not figured out how to avoid double plays, and most importantly has done nothing that I can see to step up and LEAD the team during the difficult days and losses. He doesn’t assemble the team, call anyone out, take the reigns or really do anything different than let’s say giambi or cano as far as leadership.
And yes, I know he has 2 hits tonight, but…
“When Cashman got full control in May of 2005, things began to change. They hired more scouts (both at the advance and amateur levels), built a state of the art training facility in the Dominican Republic and have used it to do a great job of adding a lot of free agent amateur Latin American talent.”
Thank you, SJ44, excellent as always. That paragraph above is really what put a smile on my face. I know that scouting is absolutely crucial in baseball and to hear that the Yanks are beginning a process of creating a great scouting team is exciting news.
Thanks again!
fat sydney is pitching a complete game tonight,giving up NO more runs.
Fantastic AB Jetes!
5-2
So will this Jetes stay w/ us for the remainder of the season or is he just visiting.
so SJ has something to do with Charleston… what exactly, one day we shall find out. I definitely agree though, ULTRA conservative with the young players, which is good in most cases.
Anyone else notice that all runners that come around third base for the Yankees peek over their shoulder just to make sure now? lol
Here come the royals… 3-2 red sox now
Hey Jim S,
i didnt realize the term “GI joe” was a disparaging remark. Sorry i wasnt meaning to demean you or your service time. I was just saying lets not fight and lets talk about baseball.
He doesn’t assemble the team, call anyone out, take the reigns or really do anything different than let’s say giambi or cano as far as leadership.
I have a question-how do we know for certain that he doesn’t behind closed doors?
Did anyone catch Jim Rome and see what he said on CJ Wilson about his actions last night? Instead of handing the ball to Washington for the pitching change, he tossed it to him in frustration. Washington than pulled him from the jersey right on the fringe of the mound, gave him the ball back, and ordered him to give him the ball back with respect.
Warner Madrigal warming up, so that is a sign of good things for the Yankees (0.1 ip, 6 er last time we faced Madrigal)
Apparently, the X-Rays on Youkilis came up negative.
“Jeter should have stolen first to give arod a more stress free at bat.
i mean you don’t have to stay on second.”
Randy – I thought you’d be heavily involved in Denver resto reconnaissance? What is the best cubano sandwich at altitude?
HAHAHA, Warner Madrugal is warming up! Bring him in, I love that guy.
so, in the past few days, we’ve had an actual argument about whether or not women should be able to post here on the blog and now we’ve got one former officer pulling rank on another.
on the bright side, i learned some interesting stuff about medical records and privacy rights, which was nice.
seriously, the dude threw a tomato at a nazi sympathizer. while the tomato-throw might be a legal no-no, in my opinion, it pales in comparison to, y’know, hate-speech and defending genocide. just me though.
trisha – gotcha. stellar logic. we should all, indeed, wait for official word before declaring joba ready to go or done for the year. if you’ll notice, all of my posts on the topic contained the word “IF,” which is easy to miss, being a two-letter word and all. however, as SJ44 said, just because news delivered by the yankees is official, doesn’t always mean it’s accurate. for concrete examples of these, see pete’s mentions of jorge posada’s diagnosis and the yankees reporting of said diagnosis (i believe there have been three separate mentions of that situation today). you could also look into the chien-ming wang injury, if you like.
oh, and girardi, who “knows about baseball and baseball injuries,” said wang would miss ONE START. that was a couple of months ago.
so, yeah, i’ll wait for official word. that’s good advice. absolutely. but pardon me if i don’t take it as FINAL word, because this season, it hasn’t been.
uh oh dominican cabbage patch doll warming up in the ranger bp.
Michelle, that’s OK. All I want to see is talk about BB. But GI JOE is considered an insult(it’s a toy and comic. We are GI’s, but not GI Joe’s.
Who got a problem w/ the GI Joe reference step to me I’m the one who started that on this blog.
Joe Girardi
GI Joe.
Arod is going to come through eventually
Oh captain, my captain.
Crap arod up its gonna be a strike out or pop up for sure
Michelle,
So now you know how Brandon feels about Joe Girardi. He calls him G.I. Joe all the time.
Brandon, you can call Girardi GI Joe all day
. But don’t call Vets that. Not cool. 
should have sent jeter that way arod would have a RISP
)))
come on Alex!
sorry wont happen again…
IN other news: C.J. Wilson was placed on the DL by the rangers beacuse he has BONE SPURS –
I think it was more like Ron Washington is giving him 15 days off to think about his actions last night.
Brandon, you can call Girardi GI Joe all day
. But don’t call Vets that. Not cool.
That’s right I call Girardi that.
Are you guys seeing what Pujols is doing to the Dodgers right now?
The man is a STUD, period. What’s worse is, at least for the NL, he hasn’t reached his 30th birthday yet!
If he isn’t MVP, then they should just skip it this year.
“Trisha – I enjoy reading your posts. Howwever, I can’t fully comprehend whether you believe:
a) that the Yankees never tell their fans (by way of the media) less than the truth about injuries, or
b) that they don’t owe us anything and can tell whatever suits their needs”
Wade, for me the two are intertwined.
a) I think the Yankees give up whatever information they feel they need to at a point in time, for reasons that are totally necessary to their running the organization the way they know best. So if they give up partial information because they do not want the opposition to have information yet, or for whatever other reason they may have, then so they do. Do I believe that happens? Absolutely. Does it bother me a whit? Not a whit. Also I think it is nothing but INTELLIGENT for them not to say anything until they are positive of what they have going on, Pete’s dying need to know notwithstanding.
b) I think that’s kind of answered in a). I seriously do not feel they owe us anything and can tell us whatever they choose to tell us, yes, but perhaps that’s because I know well enough that they do give us information, so I guess when I say that it is in response to people saying they owe us something sooner than they are ready to give it up.
That’s my opinion anyway.
theres arod
Angel,
HIPAA protects everybody, period. Here are the only exceptions:
1. Without your permission, your doctor may share information with any other health professional specifically involved in your care.
2.HIPAA does not apply to health insurance carriers. They do not need yor permission to access your information.
That’s it.
What you guys are confusing is “authorization”. Any employee, not just athletes, may be asked or required to “authorize” in writing an employer to access their health and medical information. You can refuse to authorize them, but then they can refuse to employ you.
Well, at least he tried to go the other way.
A-Rod caught whatever Jeter had.
Alex why don’t you just hand him the ball that s*** ain’t funny
AROD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMMIT
Clutch again !!!!! ….. How about that A-Rod !
For those on gameday, doesn’t Tommy Hunter bear a strange resemblance to Ponson?
Mr. Clutch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alex-oy
well that’s about the worst at bat you’ll ever see.
I guess 30 mil a year only gets you so much talent in this market.
The Yankees, post-2005– also hired new cross-checkers; most of which they purloined from Arizona which had among the best amateur scouting system in the league.
Hey, SJ44, when, in your estimation, is the earliest any of the Yankees’ position-player prospects could have an impact on the major league roster?
A-Jax, Montero, and Laird, I understand, are years away from germinating.
i cant beleieve this. we are up 5-2 and no meangless homerun from him? o wait its only 3 runs, maybe when its 12-2 he hit crush one
Was that Sideshow Bob who just got Arod to GIDP? I didn’t even know he was out of jail.
Wow, when A-Rod does that against my boy Warner Madrigal, you know he’s going bad.
man – arod needs to take the anti-jete… er GIDP drug that jeter took.
Atleast he didn’t get a pile on RBI.
Of course – If A-Rod had homered – it would have been a meaningless tack-on run.
It is too bad Maris isn’t around to commiserate with A-Rod about being great and disrespected.
Has A-Rod caught up to Jeter in GDIP’s?
Pat M,
Glad you are on. Talked to a Scouting Director from another team today about 3 kids: DJ Mitchell, Marshall, and your boy Kyle.
He loves Kyle. Thinks his bat will project and believes he’s as good a catch and throw HS catcher as there was in the draft.
Was lukewarm on Marshall. He loves DJ Mitchell. Lamented (he’s from a small market team) at how those are the guys teams like the Yankees can draft later in the draft and pay enough money to sign. He thinks DJ can be a star.
FWIW, my nephew said, next to Chris Hernandez of Miami and Alex White of UNC, DJ was the toughest guy he faced in the ACC this year.
He also believes Austin Jackson will be the starting CF on Opening Day next year. Pretty bold statement. He’s always loved the kid and wanted his team to draft him.
He thinks that if the Yankees have a regular Yankee lineup next year, and Austin keeps his head about him, he can play in the majors next year. His feeling is, he can be put in the 9th spot in the order and not be needed to produce a lot of offense while he learns at the big league level. Its an interesting perspective and its the first time I’ve heard that scenario from someone in the game this year.
see what i mean….RISP=DP and no hit. he looks helpless right now
GIDP it should read
You have to hand it to him. A-Rod finds new and creative was to suck everyday.
think Arod’s been standing too close to Jeter in the dugout. Seems the GIDP has rubbed off on him.
Arod had 4 dps coming into this series and he has 3 so far in two games
“Who got a problem w/ the GI Joe reference step to me I’m the one who started that on this blog.
Joe Girardi
GI Joe”
lol.
RSM:
you should go back and read all the posts, you have no idea what you are talking about. HIPAA does in fact NOT pertain to professional athletes, because they give up that right by signing their contract.
Angel:
i agree there is def. limits to what injuries you can report, like i would not release that one of my athletes has an STD. But apparently you can release that a player has an “ANAL FISSURE” or “HEMORRHOIDS”
“Peter, HIPAA applies to everyone. Athletes (or anyone else) may waive their right and permit disclosure. Perhaps such waiver of this right is a standard element to professional baseball contracts.”
Thomo, you are correct. HIPAA is a very large, detail specific Federal Law that superseeds any contract. Picking out one paragraph from the law on the net does not necessarily mean that the next paragraph doesn’t change the previous sentence. Even the President of the United States, must waive his right to permit disclosure of any medical issue. That being said, I’m sure that such waiver was negotiated in a player’s union bargaining session and is a standard clause in all of their contract.
Everyone, please get off of Arod’s back. The YES production crew asked him to ease up on the pedal until his Yankeeography airs, they didn’t want any last-minute edits.
Also Arod bounced into one that Figgins butchered that would have killed their rally.
(this is an off topic post for Jim S and any other military people here)
Jim S, I haven’t been following the back and forth on the military stuff (I have a hard enough time going back enough posts when I’ve posted because stuff here goes very fast!), but if this is appropriate to the conversation I would just like to say thank you from the bottom of my heart (and to anyone else who is military) for giving any part of your life that you have so that I can sleep well at night.
I am able to watch Yankee games and post on my computer because courageous men and women are acting as the vanguard of our nation and putting their lives on the line for all people in our country.
I TRULY appreciate our military and the sacrifices made in the name of freedom.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Trisha
Michelle B. – HIPAA superseeds any contract. But, as stated in my previous post, I’m sure that such waiver was negotiated in a player’s union bargaining session and is a standard clause in all of their contract which would allow the disclosure of part of/all of their medical issues.
KS,
Montero is one guy that will be interesting to watch.
There are so many scenario’s with him. Do they leave him at C? Do they move him to first base?
Regardless of position, what happens if he tears up AA next year (I believe he will start the year in AA)?
If he is like Miguel Cabrera, ready to hit in the majors at an early age, what do they do? Its an interesting question because that kid is just mashing the ball this year.
He’s one of those kids who, when he makes contact, the ball sounds differently off his bat. An amazing offensive talent.
As I said in the above post, a scouting director I know offered the opinion that Austin Jackson could (not saying “would” but, “could”) be the starting CF in NY next year. He’s very high on the kid.
It will be interesting to see how Jackson and Montero, the two kids I think could be fast movers through the system, do next year. They are the guys to watch in ST in 2009.
What you guys are confusing is “authorizationâ€. Any employee, not just athletes, may be asked or required to “authorize†in writing an employer to access their health and medical information. You can refuse to authorize them, but then they can refuse to employ you.
Yep, you’re right. Thats what I was just looking up, RSM. What HIPAA says about authorization in regards to athletes, and also what could be released to the media by extention of that authorization release by their employers. Its actually a lot more interesting than the dry “you can’t release anything to anybody unless there is a release in their files” blanket we pretty much work under, lol. Err on the side of caution and all of that.
I’ve seen some doozy HIPAA violations by some of our 3rd party vendors (RX providers and such) let me tell you. If those people knew their HIPAA rights those vendors would be in big trouble for sure.
Robi telling his detractors “call me lazy”
[i}Everyone, please get off of Arod’s back. The YES production crew asked him to ease up on the pedal until his Yankeeography airs, they didn’t want any last-minute edits.[i}
funny stuff!
I am all Favre’d out. Enough Brett Favre updates.
Ponson has got to be the luckiest pitcher in mlb
Gameday showing both Pudge and Murphy left with injured knees. Not good for a catcher. Hope it’s just a bruise.
[i}Everyone, please get off of Arod’s back. The YES production crew asked him to ease up on the pedal until his Yankeeography airs, they didn’t want any last-minute edits.[i}
funny stuff!
Thank you Trisha, I’m out now but many of my brothers and sisters are still fighting. God bless to you. Semper Fi!
Go Yankees.
SJ,
Good post. I do appreciate what Cashman has done since ousting the Tampa Mafia. However at this time last year I was alot more excited about what looked like a stacked farm system. This year’s injuries and setbacks to several of the top tier talent has dampened my expectations. While the Charlston team is really exciting (especially with Betances finding some control, and the emergence of De La Rosa to major prospect status)…The rest of the Minor league teams have not been that impressive. Yes Aceves maybe a find, and the two that Pittsburg let get away (Kontos, Coke) are really coming on the last few games. But there are so many setbacks everywhere else, that I wonder if the Yankees farm system even makes the top ten right now. Austin is hot right now but overall he has not dominated AA ball, The Rehabs are not going well with the exception of Melancon. IDK maybe I am looking at the glass as 1/2 empty, but I had a lot of hope for these kids last year and was really looking fwd to their development. I also hoped for a dominating young pitching staff for many years. I do not see that, unless Hughes and Kennedy can reclaim their elite status….
SJ44- I heard that Montero sound off the bat at the Future’s Game. Kid has some serious pop.
I have read he is bad defensively as a catcher, have you heard the same?
Boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you – SIDNEY PONSON!
I wonder who caught Sidney’s game when he pitched against the Rangers last time out. I wrote that game off as the product of nerves since it was his first time out against his former team and his tenure there ended badly – and ot because of his pitching ability.
On the other hand, sometime certain pitcher-catcher tandems work out better than others.
Who knows.
A-rod is missing something i hope they bring that up in that stupid eidition of yankeees biography bs
lets think rationally. why would they air this at 1am? they obviosuly know that this yankeeogrpy is not what its billed to be. they are saving him the ebrassment
Barb:
It is a standard clause in every professional players contract. They waive their rights…In fact the NFL has a specific rule that injuries must be reported to the commisioner’s office by thursday of a game week.
So if HIPAA superseeded any contract that would not be possible, if there is one thing i know, its about athletic injuries and how they can be reported and who they can be reported to.
“Robi telling his detractors “call me lazy—
If the umpire didn’t have his head ‘you know where’ Robi would have started a triple play.
But people (wrongly) still want to axe him
Starting CF….I can see CF being up for grabs in 09…. I watched White in the NCAA platoffs, looks legit…..Your nephew plays for BC ???? Kyle is going to move faster than Romine in my opinion….
Gameday showing both Pudge and Murphy left with injured knees. Not good for a catcher. Hope it’s just a bruise.
Pudge is one tough SOB it’ll take more than a knee to knee collision to knock him down.
P.S. Jason Giambi and Adam Dunn (there really is no difference)
Mark, Montero has made great strides behind the plate this year and has a great work ethic. Could be the Latin Pudge Fisk.
Those pitches WERE NOT strikes.
“Ponson has got to be the luckiest pitcher in mlb”
Since Sidney was a very good pitcher, there are some who believe that it is skill and not luck.
NOBODY is that lucky, romine.
DAmn they all look pissed off w/ the umpire… Damn Nady keeps tearing the cover off the ball.
“Angel:
i agree there is def. limits to what injuries you can report, like i would not release that one of my athletes has an STD. But apparently you can release that a player has an “ANAL FISSURE†or “HEMORRHOIDS—
LOL – he must have gotten it in the course of playing baseball then?
I dont even want to go there, I dont think. Yikes!
nice Sexy X
I am looking forward to seeing Montero, and the rest of the Riverdogs next weekend in Lakewood.
X gonna make me lose my mind..up in here up in here
regarding lack of response to my quesion: I guess no one is as upset with our ‘captain’s’ ability to lead this year as I am….
This guy Madrigal is just awesome looking. I especially love the way he tucks the hair into the back of the hat.
Shawn Chacon – David Banner
Madrigal – The Hulk
A-rod as a DH; nevertheless, same useless.
I din’t know the MLB couted Barnum and Bailey
Btw, Mr. Kontos, whom we did not lose because they took Karstens, pitched another great game tonight at Trenton– 7 innings, no runs, 4 hits and 5 ks. And Claggett pitched well in relief as well.
damnm Pudge sends 2 players to the DL.
Anyone else surprised that a BA of only .320+ so far this season leads the AL?
didn’t and scouted
is Ponson’s WHIP any good?
Is it just me or does Madrigal look like a Cabbage Patch Kid.
I think what RSM was saying was that HIPPA does cover them, because it seems to me that it does to a point – where you can’t just release personal stuff that has nothing to do with them as baseball players, but that they relinquish their right to privacy as a condition of signing their contract and that they authorize their employers to release that infomation “as necessary”.
*HIPAA
Michelle:
I do not need to see the previous posts. I have hours and hours of HIPAA training, and work with it everyday. You obviously didn’t understand my post, as you are arguing semantics. Let me try to explain more clearly. You can NOT, by definition, surrender a “right”. HIPAA applies to every United States citizen, it’s federal law. No exceptions. It can not be surrendered. However, anyone can “authorize” (i.e. give permission to) another party to view their health information, but it must be done in writing. Baseball contracts have specific language that the player is authorizing the team to access their health information. By signing their contract, baseball players are authorizing, in writing, a team full access to their health care information.
i think another kinda crappy injury report was Felix Pie, the said he went on the DL with a twisted testicle. I mean they could have made something up as not to embarrass him.
RSM: that is what i was trying to say… for all intents and purposes HIPAA will not ever apply to a professional player with a contract.
Follow me Michelle – HIPAA superseeded any contract since it is a Federal Law. However, as part of a contract, the person signing the contract can waive HIPAA and permit disclosure of medical detail. So, if they signed a contract waiving HIPAA, the Federal HIPAA law still supercedes the contract but the person signing the contract has allowed it so it medical information would be disclosed/released. Trust mean, I deal with this daily (the law, the disclosure forms and the autorization forms).
why do we not throw pitches inside to young?
johnnycat, I didn’t see your question but maybe nobody responded because there was a lot of Jeter conversation last night and people felt that whatever you asked had been discussed/answered last night.
I can tell you this: there are a lot of posters who have been less than thrilled with Jeter this year.
the need to tack on more runs.. the arod DP hurts..
this team is not done scoring tonight..
they need runs…
Oh darn
5-3 game now
RSM – Thank you.
“i think another kinda crappy injury report was Felix Pie, the said he went on the DL with a twisted testicle. I mean they could have made something up as not to embarrass him.”
LOL! Thanks. That may be the first time I’ve laughed in two days.
Reality,
I saw Clagget a few times this season. Something about this kid makes me think he will be the best part of the Sheffield trade….Better velocity than advertised and a really deceptive delivery.
“i think another kinda crappy injury report was Felix Pie, the said he went on the DL with a twisted testicle.”
at least he still has his
I’ll tell you what, you and Michelle or whoever else I’m missing, if you continuw to want to talk politics here exchange emails and leave us alone. I swear the next Federal post or whatever it is goes straight to Pete.
just googled Felix Pie Twisted testicle. Nothing. What give my bell?
regarding lack of response to my quesion: I guess no one is as upset with our ‘captain’s’ ability to lead this year as I am….
No one answered my question either-How do we know for certain what he does or says his teammates behind closed doors? Not assuming, I’m talking know for a fact.
the X-Man!!!!
The X-MAN DELIVERS.
I’m starting to love that guy
Coney just mentioned it so hopefully they’ll answer, but who is the emergency catcher on this team? I was thinking Betemit would be the best option but that’s just a complete guess NICE PLAY NADY!! back to the Emergency Catcher thing.. no wait that’s all I had…. any one have any idea?
FREAKIN WEB GEM FOR SURE!
Xavier Nady has to be the mvp of the 2nd half for the yanks. he does it all.
X marks the spot! I love that guy! Go Bears!
Nady is too good to be real.
Love seeing our outfielder dive. Love it!
Which is worse Felix Pie’s twisted testicle, Kaz Matsui’s anal fissures, Chris Snyder’s fractured testicle, or Joba’s rotator cuff tendinitis.
Time to get more runs
Xavier is a beast, can we sign him to a 5 year contract right now
While Ponson has done better than expected with the Yankees this year, and has earned his next few starts, his stats do not indicate him to be a very good pitcher at all.
He has a career 88-103 record with an ERA of 4.90 and a WHIP of 1.47. At best, that’s an adequate back of the rotation starter, but certainly not what I’d call very good.
better score again… I don’t feel comfy with a 2 run cushion and another inning or two of Sir Sid…
“Girardi does not seem happy about Ian coming up”
I think Girardi just doesn’t feel Ian Kennedy is ready yet and he kind of has to bring him up, he is they’re best candidate for Friday, and really have no other choice. I dont know what Girardi has agianst Kennedy but I think Ian should get another chance.
Thank you Cashman for getting us Nady!
So now for Sidney that is 5 solid outings (Mets, Rays, Twins, Angels, and Rangers) and 2 bad starts (Rangers, Redsox)
He’s always in the right spot.
I like Nady more and more each day.
So its okay for you to write hysterical rants, filled with F***’s, Brandon?
I see.
Try learning something – instead of policing what is said. Sheesh, it won’t kill you.
So is he
“It is too bad Maris isn’t around to commiserate with A-Rod about being great and disrespected.”
If Roger Maris was one of the top 5 players of all-time he might have something to talk to A-Rod about.
Josh Hamilton = Roy Hobbs
with how the yanks are playing this season..
personally, I dont think Girardi knows s**t from shinola
VO,
I hear ya. But, that (the injuries) happens in every organization.
I think what’s happened is, the Yankees have been successful at changing the culture among many in the fan base.
I have season tickets at the Stadium. Been in the same spot for over 20 years now. I can tell you that where I sit, many of the folks there I call the Post-96 Crowd”. They became Yankee fans when they won titles.
They believe its the Yankees obligation to spend 100 million bucks on every player they want and if they don’t get it, they *$%$# and moan about the price of their tickets.
When you explain to them about the economics of baseball (ticket prices have zero to do with paying salaries. Its all about supply and demand), they refuse to accept it. They can’t understand why the Yankees don’t have a 400 million dollar payroll.
For years, they HATED the farm system, and HATED young players. They believe, all of them should be traded for veterans. I know, crazy. But true.
In the last year or so, a lot of these folks began to change their tunes. They talk about Joba, Melancon, Austin Jackson, etc.
They know I am in Charleston and Trenton a lot and they ask me about the players there.
I can tell you that the farm system is not only a big topic of conversation in this blog. A lot of the chatter around the Stadium these days are more about Montero, Melancon, etc, than it is about re-signing Giambi, Pettitte, etc.
Even beat writers, notorious anti-farm system guys, are getting into the act.
The Yankees have done a great job not only re-stocking the farm system but, getting the fans excited about the prospect of home grown Yankees in the future.
With one caveat. Its not always a smooth ride with every prospect. They all aren’t Joba, ready to go from Day One.
Some need more seasoning. Some get hurt. Some don’t make it. You have to be able to deal with the bumps in the road.
That’s why having depth in the system is so important. The Yankees are getting there. They just have to keep doing what they are doing and they will be fine.
When is hamilton a free agent??? Bc he needs to be on this team..
How many of you would have thought that Sidney Ponson would be a better pitcher than Andy Pettitte…
Baseball is a funny game.
Also, earlier I had a discussion about ARod being a stat padder. Pete’s update about his jealousy that Jeter gets all the credit for hitting into DP’s is interesting as Alex tries to ground into more DP’s in 4 games than jeter has all season.
Angel it’s pretty simple this is a sports blog, when we get completely out of hand, into politics/or federal stuff not even Pete allows that because it detracts interest. I’m not saying it’s a bad discussion but here is not the place for it.
trisha- thanks
S.A. – I’m pretty sure we’d learn something if Jeter was holding closed door meetings. Anyway, watching him post-game I just can’t believe it’s even on his radar.
Interesting SJ44 then to see what they do in the off-season with free agency. They need to improve their offense, as this year demonstrates.
The problem is, other than Teixiera at 1B, their isn’t a free-agent on the market this season who would materially improve their offense and quite frankly other than 1B or CF, they don’t really have a place to put one.
Even if the Yankees make the mistake of not re-signing Abreu– they should if his contract demands remain reasonable– Nady would play in RF, Damon in LF, and Matsui would DH.
“personally, I dont think Girardi knows s**t from shinola”
I havent heard that expression in forver, I nearly pissed my pants my brother,uncle, and sis say that all the time
“Josh Hamilton = Roy Hobbs”
Roy Hobbs didn’t smoke crack.
This junkie is going to relapse so hard when someone gives him a long-term deal. Can you really invest millions in a guy who can’t handle having more than $20 at a time or having his own set of car keys?
“Which is worse Felix Pie’s twisted testicle, Kaz Matsui’s anal fissures, Chris Snyder’s fractured testicle, or Joba’s rotator cuff tendinitis.”
None of the above.
Bruised Buttocks takes the cake.
Johnnycat,
I always like Jorge for captain. I think he would have taken the responsibility to heart. Jeter always led be example which doesn’t really work when you are playing poorly.
Brandon we werent talking politics, we were actually discussing athletic injury disclosure…Pay attention!
Point #2: I never trust anyone named Barb
http://ballhype.com/story/feli....._testicle/
wow, the sox up 8-2 now.
2 run lead is not safe in Texas.
and wow, what was Jeter looking at?
Loved Jeter just showing up the umpire… that was funny.
damn on a tee
I’m pretty sure we’d learn something if Jeter was holding closed door meetings. Anyway, watching him post-game I just can’t believe it’s even on his radar.
I’m not talking closed door meetings. There are other ways to get things across. But whatever. Minds are already made up.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy
Marshall signs!
MOMENTUM SHIFFTING TO THE RANGERS SIDE.. FANS BEWARE OF SOME TROUBLE BREWING OUR WAY..
What the heck is up with Elsbury? Since when does he get hits?
Since I watched Ponson pitch when he was with Baltimore and other teams and since I’ve seen him pitch some great games, I will stay with what I previously said. Sidney has been a very good pitcher.
That was in response to someone calling him lucky. Perhaps if you watch this game and watch where the ball goes you will see that he has pitched very well. It isn’t about luck.
And yes he continues to earn more starts doesn’t he. Because he has been very effective, not lucky.
Which was my only point.
crap… better hope sid doesn’t throw any more meatballs tonight.
““personally, I dont think Girardi knows s**t from shinolaâ€
I havent heard that expression in forver, I nearly pissed my pants my brother,uncle, and sis say that all the time”
lol……….some old school!!!!
“Roy Hobbs didn’t smoke crack.”
soda actually came out of my nose…
Pat M,
Yes. He is finishing up a great summer in the Cape. Hit over .340, starting C in the AS Game, hit 2 grand slams in one week, and has thrown out over 45% guys attempting to steal this summer.
He’s played himself into the conversation as one of the better college catchers in the ’09 Draft.
He’s a good kid too. Which, at least to me, is more important. Plays the game the right way and works his tail off.
Its going to be an interesting 8-9 months for him.
Hopefully, he keeps his head on straight, works hard, and stays out of trouble. If he does, he’s going to have a great chance to play MLB. Can’t ask for much more than that.
Pete you are losing me here…
“UPDATE, 9:41 p.m.: Alex is now 0-9 in the series with three GIDPs. And you people give Jeter a hard time.”
Jeter is having the worst offensive season of his career while Alex is putting up MVP-like numbers yet again. I’m more of a Jeter fan myself but I think he’s gotten pretty fair treatment this season.
Seriously, If I was Jeter, I would at least request that they don’t play that horridly overplayed commercial immediately after a K or a GIDP. Ford should forbid it also. I hate Edges and I don’t even drive!
Not too comfy with just a 2 run lead here.
Michelle b if that’s the case then I apologize. I just skimmed through your posts. Angel if that’s the case w/ you too I apologize.
batter by batter here
It’s understandable to play blame game when your team is losing. Would you guys please not to play blame game when our team have a lead? Try to enjoy baseball game.
“Angel it’s pretty simple this is a sports blog, when we get completely out of hand, into politics/or federal stuff not even Pete allows that because it detracts interest. I’m not saying it’s a bad discussion but here is not the place for it.”
It WAS baseball related though. Thats what you’re misunderstanding. We were discussing HIPPA (which is a federal law and not a political subject or anything) as it applies to athlete’s – specifically how it applies to bans and reporters being told the status of Joba’s injury. That’s all.
“I always like Jorge for captain. I think he would have taken the responsibility to heart. Jeter always led be example which doesn’t really work when you are playing poorly.”
Agrre. I’ve always thought Posada was more “Captain” material.
thanks brandon – i didnt like fighting with you anyway…
“personally, I dont think Girardi knows s**t from shinolaâ€
lol brad, thats funny. I still laugh everytime I here that expression. But sometimes your right, I think that about Girardi too.
*Fans not bans and HIPAA not HIPPA. Argh.
It’s too aggravating in here tonight. Later people – enjoy the game. Hope for a win.
What is this Edge commercial? I’m in Memphis. I guess I’m lucky not to see it. But we have some real doozies here.
I’m really happy Sidney’s game but get nervous when we get into the later innings.
Swear to God I started writing that before they announced he was out of the game!
Nice game Sidney.
posada is captian like because he is patient at the plate and speaks his mind in the clubhouse. come to think of it in 2000 when the yanks were not playing well he really stepped up and hit 28 homeruns and drew 100+ walks
I love that smirk he had on his face when he was walking off.
Random question. Why does everything feel they are so much smarter than Girardi and Cashman. They were hired for a reason, hired by the guys that created this billionaire organization. Don’t you think they know somewhat to what they are doing? I don’t get why everyone is always saying they are idiots.
Sorry about that Angel I just skimmed through posts and caught keywords. Carry on, (taking foot out of mouth now)
***agree***
my typing skills are extremely poor
Sir Sidney did well tonight. Gotta be fair and give him some props.
“Alex is now 0-9 in the series with three GIDPs. And you people give Jeter a hard time.”
It is all Jeter’s fault
No problem, Brandon. Just a misunderstanding.
Later.
Reno, This junkie is going to relapse so hard when someone gives him a long-term deal. Can you really invest millions in a guy who can’t handle having more than $20 at a time or having his own set of car keys?
Hey jackass, that was uncalled for. It is a good story for baseball.
arod just having a hard week… have had a few myself. He’s still having a better year than jeter…
yo im the yankee confidence man
and i still have faith
it will ALL COME DOWN TO HOW THEY PLAY AGAINST TAMPA AND BOSTON
like
one good weekend against either of those teams makes up for 5 months of mediocre baseball
thats why i like the fact that the major wild card threat they r up against is in their division
they have a lot of interdivision games and itll come down to how they play in september
Can anyone explain why we are making a pitching change for the 9th batter in the order? Also, why the hell does Texas have a .320 hitter number 9? Vasquez has had over 200 ABs so it isn’t just one small sample.
Now this is the kind of effort that will keep him in the rotation. More grounders than flyballs, throwing strikes, keeping his low-90s sinker down and using his slider to keep guys off balance.
He’s a different pitcher than he was in Baltimore. And I’m starting to believe that he might actually hold his own in the rotation. This was a really solid outing against a great offense.
What does it say when Sidney Ponson is giving the best quality innings vs one of the best hitting teams in the AL ?
I was looking at some records. The Yanks are 5-1 vs. Oakland and 6-0 vs. Seattle and those are like the only two teams they played well against. Every other team it is like aorund .500 for the most part.
O.K. with Posada out for the season, who other than Jeter could be captain? I’m not seeing any obvious candidates.
Ponson didn’t do too shabby, eh? About an hour ago, people were calling for his head… Jeez.
Jim S.
consider yourself lucky. Without too many details its a Ford commercial with Jeter that literally gets played about 50 times a game. Youtube it maybe
Peter, when are you going to admit that Edwar is more than just a trick pitcher, and that he’s here to stay? I remember how quick you were to dismiss him after he had a little hiccup in Pittsburg.
do you think major leaguers hate being struck out by “cute little men”
SJ, You and the family must be very proud….As long as he can find a sense of balance he’ll have the shot…..The Cape Cod Summer League, very impressive….Ilook forward to following his career….Stay healthy….
SJ,
Don’t forget the Blogs when it comes to fan excitement about the kids…Years ago there were no Pending Pinstripes, RAB, Pinstripes Plus, etc…There is so much info out there on the minor leagues now, it is easy to get caught up in the hype.
I understand that many of these kids will have setbacks and in fact, most will not make it. That is where a good collection of prospects and depth pays off, if… you are smart enough to know whom to trade and whom to keep. This is my problem with what Cashman has done. There are so many injuries through out the system that he is losing depth and trade chips…The other GMs know this and one of Cashman’s weak points is talent evaluation. (Good organizer, good trade negotiator, perfect sense of other teams willingness to deal and when to strike), he needs to check into the medical stuff and needs to lean on Stick Michael a lot more.
“What does it say when Sidney Ponson is giving the best quality innings vs one of the best hitting teams in the AL ?”
I’m not sure but he’s looking pretty good lately. One great outing followed by a very solid start.
Great job by Sir Sid tonight… Maybe *that’s* the “Real Ponson.” Defeatist losers love to post stuff at the first sign of trouble…
“What is this Edge commercial? I’m in Memphis. I guess I’m lucky not to see it. But we have some real doozies here”
Yea we got some real doozies in the yankee organization too
I hope Cano changed the way some of you look at him.. He is a good player and will be an ALL-STAR next year mark it down.
Veras for the 8th. Mo for the 9th? Or is Marte involved somehow?
(off topic)
if anyone knows, does it help the life of batteries to take them out of an apparatus when it isn’t being used, or doesn’t it matter? I have this electronic cooking fork that tells you when different meats are cooked (GREAT cooking tool by the way, I got it as a gift), and though I don’t use it much it seems that the batteries wear down fast. If I keep them out of the fork and only put them in when I use it, will it make any difference in how long they last?
thanks
Mariano could be captian too you know
trisha- please remove your head from ponsons keyster.
do you think major leaguers hate being struck out by “cute little menâ€
If he’s cute then I’m a sexy beast
come one runs!!1
SJ,
what team does he play for i was just in brewster and i caught a few games…I love the cape cod league, i got my first head athletic training position with chatham in the summer of 00
Rays get 6 in ninth to win tonight… there’s some magic going on there… Will be nice to see them beat out the Sox for the wild card
All Sidney haters:
with Joba out , come to accept the fact that Sidney is our 2nd or 3rd best starter. He pitched very well last time and gave a quality start this time.
Ultimately Yanks make or fail to make the playoffs depeding on how Pettitte and Moose pitch. Andy is going good game, bad game, good game, bad game routine. That is not going to cut it. Same with Moose, though a little better. If our best starters are average rest of the way we are not going to make it. If will not be because of Sidney. He is doing what he has to do as a 4th/5th starter.
A-rod will never get an invitation to the part bc he is a selfish prick
Sidney has given the Yanks 2 quality starts in a row against 2 very good offensive teams. And after losses when the Yanks needed these starts. He deserves credit.
It isn’t really Cashman’s fault about injuries in teh system. The problem is, we draft low because of our record and so we coudl either take decent guys or really good players with injury concerns which is how we got Joba.
brandon:
i think thats what millar was quoted as calling edwar the other night!
Hi Trish, that has got to be one of the stupidiest questions i have ever heard.
When your car is parked in the driveway, does it burn gas?
and some people don’t want him to be resigned why?? I love his hustle!!
The Paul O’neill like slide at 2nd
If Edwar is cute, than what would Millar call this guy? any guesses?
That’s a nice error
Damn Alex went from .326 to .316 (Bad week)
“When your car is parked in the driveway, does it burn gas?”
idiot…
trisha
Invest in rechargeable batteries
productive out from Arod atleast its a step in the right direction
28 million bucks and Arod can’t even seem to buy a hit.
arod made a productive out.
wow.
if edwar is cute then Peyton Manning is gorgeous
yanksfnmc: why do you feel the need to call someone’s question stupid?
It just makes you look like an ass…because batteries do drain faster if they are in something as opposed to being kept in a cool dry place.
No doubt it was a productive out by Arod but was it by mistake or did he try to do that.
They should of hired Donnie baseball
SJ -
For the sake of speculation, let’s asume the Yanks aren’t telling the whole truth about Joba’s rotator cuff. If its not a 4 or 5, but instead a tear of some sort … a 7, 8 or 9 on a scale of 1-10, what’s the usual prognisis for a 22-year old power guy like Joba? Wait for ’10 an hope he has 80% of what he had? Wait for ’10 and he should be full strength again but there’s still no guarantees?
I’m worried that if it really IS rotator cuff tendinitis, it’ll eventually come back.
On another level … if Dr Andrews says the best way to fix it includes prescribing an HGH or a cortisone shot, does Joba do it?
If it was my arm and I had tendinitis/tear, I’d have to seriously consider it if it was legal. I know from experience that cortisone works.
THis might be the worst team ever at getting in runners from third with less than two outs. Just crappy at bats time after time…
VO,
One area I want to see the Yankees beef up is in their front office. Mainly, the pro evaluation and statistical analysis sides.
I’m not an anti-stats guy. I am anti-stats guy when folks misapply them or misuse them. Happens way too much in here, for example.
Overall though, I think statistical analysis is a very useful tool in the game. When used properly, of course.
The Yankees were light in the statistical analysis department until the past 18 months. It was something that was gradually disassembled during the Tampa Mafia reign of terror and is now being beefed up again.
I’d like more money/manpower put into that area.
When we talk about first basemen for next year, it doesn’t have to come from free agency. For example, doing a statistical analysis study on all first basemen in AAA and the major league level could mine a guy in a trade thought to be unavailable.
You hear a lot of murmurs that if Cashman is back, they are going to pump more money into the organization in that area. I hope they do. It will make them better in the long run.
Can’t the Yanks get a sacrifice fly? Alex’s last at bat and now Jason.
jonnycat, thanks. Good idea.
That really hurt……….I’m thinking they should start handing fines for at bats like that.
Maybe $10,000.00
With the Jekyll & Hyde starting staff being what it is, Sidney Ponson has earned at least 2 more starts.
runner on 3rd-can someone get him home?
Guess not.
Michelle X – Even though you don’t trust me, I agree.
!
Have a good evening all and go NYY.
Hey Mike, if ur such a genius why dont you answer all of Trish’s questions
mel
August 6th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
They should of hired Donnie baseball
This is not me.
It’s “should have” not “should of”.
I also think that Kevin Long’s doing fine
And Joe Girardi’s doing better.
“It just makes you look like an ass…because batteries do drain faster if they are in something as opposed to being kept in a cool dry place.”
Wow Michelle thanks. Then I will definitely take them out when I’m not using the fork. It was driving me crazy that I wouldn’t get more than a few uses and then the batteries wouldn’t work anymore!
“On another level … if Dr Andrews says the best way to fix it includes prescribing an HGH or a cortisone shot, does Joba do it?
If it was my arm and I had tendinitis/tear, I’d have to seriously consider it if it was legal. I know from experience that cortisone works.”
Huh?
Dr. Andrews would not prescribe HGH.
Mo is a little reserved for a captaincy. Actually pitchers in general shouldn,t be captains. Guidry was a co=captain but I think they were just trying to ease the post-Munson burden on a few vets.
I dont like Jeter as captain because I think it should go to somebody who has no ego when it comes to sacrificing for the team good. Jeter was a little funny when Arod came and maybe should have stepped up a little just to get him comfortable. I think Jeter is tending a bit to a bruised ego this season as he is struggling somewhat. i don’t think he is done though by a long shot. Either he’ll go on a tear to end the year nicely or he’ll be back big next year.
Edwar is not a two inning pitcher. I’m hoping this doesn’t get ugly.
Batteries cost what?
Im guessing that u must take out your remote contol batteries every night and put them in the freezer
Just about every product has some type of shelf life
And i didnt call anyone stupid, i just said that it was a stupid question
Someone else-
OK maybe someone besided Andrews … just a hypothetcal question.
Frank Catalonato has always been a burr in our side!
whoa that was too good a swing
Derek Jeter, now that guy has an edge. I’m starting more and more to enjoy Cone’s commentary, though I think Al leiter is the best.
‘yanksfanmc’, are you not the same person who was claiming that Steve Philips had info that Joba tore his labrum?
“It’s “should have†not “should ofâ€.
okay…..they SHOULD HAVE hired donnie baseball, happy?
“I also think that Kevin Long’s doing fine”
Its kevin long IS doing fine
wow yanksfanmc – well since we are going there, i’m not calling you stupid, just your responce…
Oh boy, here comes Damaso Farnsworth Gagne Marte…
“mel
August 6th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
They should of hired Donnie baseball
This is not me.
It’s “should have†not “should ofâ€.
I also think that Kevin Long’s doing fine”
mel – Please send an e-mail to Pete letting him know you’re being impersonated.
This moron does this to all of the regulars. If enough people email Pete, hopefully the idiot will get banned. I assume he’s the same person who stalks SJ44, etc.
“One area I want to see the Yankees beef up is in their front office. Mainly, the pro evaluation and statistical analysis sides”.
*******************************************
Yes SJ, I can agree with that take 200% . . .
ok marte. Get back on track.
Make me smile Marte
Hi Trish,
That cooking fork might better be used in,,,,I can’t say it.
Just lose the Sidney pom poms. It’s really old already.
Sidney’s quality starts: 4 out of 7 games with NYY (plus one of the 3 “bad” starts was 3 ER in 5.2 for a 12-4 win). So I give him 5/7 where he did his job or better.
Hard to see even a good case Phil and Ian scenario besting that.
nice “d” by Marte!
Seriously that guy as an edge, and he got it with a sunroof
Michelle,
He plays for Yarmouth-Dennis.
Ansky.
I have had clients see Dr. Andrews. He’s a guy that always looks to avoid cutting a shoulder at all costs. He has no problems with elbows because his success rate with TJ Surgery is over 90%. The highest in the industry.
For the sake of this conversation, let’s say all of the info we got on Joba today is correct.
Andrews would perscribe some anti-inflammatories and put him on a strengthening program to strengthen the entire shoulder. Not just the injured area.
He may be on a “throwing program” in two weeks but, I would be shocked if he pitches again this season.
Rest is only the real cure for it.
I think the more interesting question is, what will they do with Joba next year?
He’s at 89 innings now. If he doesn’t pitch anymore this year, he’s only going to be able to go 120-130 innings next year as a starter. May not be enough to be in the rotation next year, IMO.
Does he go back to the bullpen or back to the rotation?
That’s going to be a very interesting question for the Yankees in the off-season.
A lot will depend on his health. Can his shoulder withstand a starters workload? None of us know the answer to that.
All I know is, if I’m CC Sabathia, my price just went up bigtime.
response*
Big time play there…Marte does his job…
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
Marte for Karstens straight up?
Marte did his job and got Hamilton out.
Well, we wanted a lefty to get guys like Hamilton out. And Marte did just that.
I still have high hopes for him.
Does anybody know what time Brett Favre will be having breakfast tomorrow morning ?
Marc sorry but that’s my nature. I will always support the underdog and I will always be vocal in support of someone who is being mindlessly trashed by people working out their ire from past lives but not paying attention to what the person is really all about.
And nobody carries pompoms higher than I do. Why would I stop now?
“I also think that Kevin Long’s doing fineâ€
Its kevin long IS doing fine
——————————————–
It’s “It’s Kevin Long is doing fine” or you can make a contraction out of “Long is” to say Long’s.
Its=possessive pronoun
It’s=contraction of ‘it is’
Now, can you get your own handle, please? I’ve been using this one for more than a year. Thanks.
hey all – was going to take this game off (so as not to be disappointed)…I’m happy I checked in
Well, this is one way to prevent the bullpen from being burned: play it like LaRussa.
how about Pavano for captain? I’m kidding
I personally think Johnny Damon could be a good fit for a captian.
and I say that because he talks to the media practically every day. You dont see Jeter facing the media a whole lot, but johnny is always there to talk too, in good games and bad.
Now you might disagree with me but thats just my opinion
Nice job Marte. See a smile
Veras time
Bronx Jeers
“I dont like Jeter as captain because I think it should go to somebody who has no ego when it comes to sacrificing for the team good. Jeter was a little funny when Arod came and maybe should have stepped up a little just to get him comfortable. I think Jeter is tending a bit to a bruised ego this season as he is struggling somewhat. i don’t think he is done though by a long shot. Either he’ll go on a tear to end the year nicely or he’ll be back big next year.”
Stole the words from my mouth.
veras reminds me of benetiez
IMISSCHARLIE- I enjoy Al Leiter the best as well. He’s the most passionate, talk about enthusiasm.
That was captain-esque.
any further talk, of the japanese pitcher becoming available? Yu Darvish.
long-shot, i know.
CC will be a must sign for nyy
Nick in SF
You will get this news in a few weeks, or possibly not at all. He will be shut down for the season. We may find out how significant it was during the off-season.
This team has had its share of injuries-I hardly doubt that in the middle of what is now the biggest trip of the year that they are going to release to the team that their best pitcher will be sitting on the sidelines with Wang just watching.
Good job by the bullpen this inning – Ramirez, Marte and Veras. On to Mo in the 9th.
Does anybody know what time Brett Favre will be having breakfast tomorrow morning ?
Sources say approximately 6:47 am.
He will consume: scrambled eggs, 3 pancakes with a touch of maple syrup and 2 cups of coffee(cream..no sugar).
Excellent! Now let’s get some more runs!!!!
Today the starter gave them 6.1 innings and so it was easy to let the bullpen take over and get the job done. It is hard when your starters only go 4 innings back to back because the long reliever just pitched yesterday. Once in a while, the bullpen can take extra innings with the use of the long reliever but and Rasner and Pettitte did not give them innings and thus, Giese and others were spent before Pettite.
I guess three set up men are better than one on the same day.
Please no Japanese pitchers!! Most suck right away. Some are good for maybe 2 years, then suck. Name a Japanese pitcher that has been good for at least 4 years? And Nomo was the closest.
“Does anybody know what time Brett Favre will be having breakfast tomorrow morning ?”
No, but I am sure it will be breaking news on ESPN.
Trish, i may have hated your question about your fork, but I would love to hear more about your pom-poms
If this price is not exorbitant, C.C. is probably worth the risk. Santana money would be acceptable for me, because it isn’t in addition to young, cost-controlled players. I want to have another sure thing in the rotation besides Wang.
If the prices get ridiculous, like over 20 mil a year, you just can’t get drawn into that. But the Yankees have money to burn, and Sabathia is a worthwhile acquisition.
SJ,
i may have seen him play, i saw a yarmouth-dennes/ brewster whitecaps game. It was very high scoring.
“Trish, i may have hated your question about your fork, but I would love to hear more about your pom-poms”
We need a really good start out of the Moose tomorrow. Sidney was huge to help the pen today, but if we want to have a safety net for the Angels, a solid 6-7 inning outing is needed.
Wait a minute Brett Marshall signed ?
yanksfanmc,
Just so there’s no confusion, you are sticking to your story that Steve Philips is in possession of information that Joba tore his labrum and you know this because someone in your family is close to Philips?
And you share this information with us in between critiquing people’s battery questions?
Way to go, Sidney. Trisha was right about you.
As a Jets fan I know this is going to end bad, because it can never go right for the Jets, yet I am checking Espn News every 10 minutes to see if the Jets traded for him.
Robby needs to get hot and stay hot. He’s soooooo much better than he’s been this season. It’s unbelievable that his OPS is under .700. Just stunning.
SJ44,
I brought up the issue of Joba’s innings limit the other day. I think the Yankees are going to have to get very creative with him.
They could have him throw winter ball but I’m not sure they would want to do that. He could be sent back to the minors and be a regular starter but only go 4-5 innings per start. I don’t think they would do that but to me it seems the best solution for Joba.
Another solution would be to keep him in the majors and have him go 4-5 innings per start but back him up with another starter, similar to what they did with Giese earlier this season.
The solution I hope they avoid is putting him in the bullpen. The transition from bullpen to starting rotation mid-season was probably not the best thing for Joba’s health. I’d rather have him begin in spring training as a starter and continue that for the entire year.
I still think Joba will be back this season and this issue will be minimized as much as possible.
CC isn’t signing in NY. He’ll go to LA.
“As a Jets fan I know this is going to end bad, because it can never go right for the Jets, yet I am checking Espn News every 10 minutes to see if the Jets traded for him.”
Hahaha that’s mad true, I’m doing the same thing.
As a Jets fan, as much as I want to see Clemens given a shot without pass protection that makes the Texans look good, I just want to see some winning football. And Favre will do that.
Funny that trisha has been right about more things than the great SJ44 this year.
MLB.com is saying Cantu will back some form of replay. I know he is having a good year. But when does Cantu’s opinion matter, especially on mlb.com?
“Way to go, Sidney. Trisha was right about you.”
You’re a sweetie.
And if I remember correctly, you were always there giving the benefit to the doubt to our Yankees also.
Good for you Fran.
Molina looks great with Pudge in the picture.
Great post by the always informative SJ44. Who is that guy? Who are you SJ44?
Man this injury really is going to have a big ripple effect on next years rotation. Joba can start 15=20 games max is that right. I/m almost tempted to Papelbon him. Seems like such a waste though. Then again we’ll always be holding our breath with each start. Lots of tough questions huh?
“Funny that trisha has been right about more things than the great SJ44 this year.”
I love you too, John.
wow jetes swinging for the fences…
Even if Jeter makes contact, I’m not he actually hits that anywhere but straight up in the air.
Patrick,
It would shock me if he is back this season. I don’t care what the spin is, he’s the most important player in the organization. I can’t see them risking it.
Especially after what happened with Posada.
I don’t see him going to the minors next year.
Its going to be an interesting question. Its all about how healthy his shoulder is and whether or not the doctors believe he can handle a starters workload, given the way he throws the ball.
I don’t know what the correct answer is. I’m just glad he’s not facing surgery.
*if* both pitchers were a FA, who would you rather sign:
Santana?
or
CC?
damn ……….they cut him loose.
ball four
Sutcliffe is drunk.
do u think jeter and girardi on the plane ride talked about the team and his performance??
mo blows his first save tonight?
I think you start Joba in the rotation and move him to the bullpen if necessary.
Is it possible he might play in the AFL, to get additional innings? Or would that be too risky?
Alright, Cap’n!
*if* both pitchers were a FA, who would you rather sign:
Santana?
or
CC?
I want big CC
SJ: How much can winter ball add to his innings load?
I have a good feeling about this.
so Girardi can’t even fathom having Jeter take a 3-0 pitch to load the bases and he swings at ball 4 on the 4th pitch…lucky he still worked the walk or Girardi risked another perfect example of what an idiot he is, right ?
Vinny,
I’d choose Santana. He’s got something special imo, and can really pitch, not just over-power. I also prefer his conditioning, and he’s generally a bit more consistent than CC. But it’s not like CC is chopped liver.
“Another solution would be to keep him in the majors and have him go 4-5 innings per start but back him up with another starter, similar to what they did with Giese earlier this season.”
I would love to see something creative like this.
Gary I just can’t see it happening. Some weird thing happens when we have a tie, but he seems to be right there when he needs to hold the lead.
Santana has a better pedigree, but I’d take CC. i believe Satana’s best years are behind him.
“*if* both pitchers were a FA, who would you rather sign:
Santana?
or
CC?”
Before 2008? Santana, no question.
Now? CC.
How many left on is that?
3 outs away
Bobby is really fast down the line.
Let’s Go Mo!!!!
CLUTCH, huh ?
Mo Time!
How many LOB tonight??
Man get they get a big hit on occasion???
Well, that’s annoying.
I just want a win. I don’t care about anything else tonight or tomorrow. Two wins, no matter how ugly, and I’m happy.
Maybe Joba’s injury is the last straw. Maybe it isn’t. There’s no point in giving up now. Baseball’s a weird game.
Hey Nick, isnt there like a 49ers season preview on out there to keep you occupied?
“As a Jets fan I know this is going to end bad, because it can never go right for the Jets, yet I am checking Espn News every 10 minutes to see if the Jets traded for him.â€
Can’t see Favre going to the Jets. Supposedly, he’s interested in going somewhere where he can win. With the Jets, he’s a 50/50 shot to make the playoffs and a 0/100 shot to make the Super Bowl. I think he lands in Tampa.
“Don Vito A. Bellamo
August 6th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
CLUTCH, huh ?”
bobby is pretty clutch. Moreso than any other player, from time we signed him.
I can’t see them using him in winter ball this year coming off this injury. I think that would be too risky.
Either way, they are going to have to get creative next year with him to get the most out of him without abusing his innings.
whoa whoa whoa you leave Abreu to field but take out Nady.. GI JOE come on ….Explain.
WHAT? Why not take out Damon? If they tie the game up now then Melky bats 2nd instead of Nady? Are you serious Joe?
Is Damon better in left than Nady? Am I missing something?
Sort of holding my breath a bit here.
Mo’s gonna dominate
Nick,
Steve Phillips also told me that Brandon Boggs is Wade Bogg’s illegitimate son
You don’t manage thinking that Rivera is going to blow the game and let them tie it
Kakanekalekalaeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiighhh
Actually, yanksfanmc, I’m a NY Giants fan, but thanks.
So can you confirm that your family friend Steve Philips has info that Joba tore his labrum and this info found its way to you before it reached Buster Olney?
This is a good time to go on the record!
2 more outs for Mo.
Lights out!
Wow. Laird swung and missed at the same pitch three times in a row.
Pete Jeter isn’t the only under performer Arod is in a bracket all unto himself.You never want to count on him when you really need a run.He’s in the DP club too.
Mike – it’s not like he’s leaving in a defensive liability for the possibly at-bat in the 10th…. Nady is a very good defensive player and has a much better arm then Damon – defensively they’re essentially a wash…. given that, you leave Nady in. Or you move Nady to right and take Bobby out since he just made the 3rd out
WHAT? Why not take out Damon? If they tie the game up now then Melky bats 2nd instead of Nady? Are you serious Joe?
Yeah I missed that part. I would have subed Melky for Abreu and put Nady at RF if that’s the case. Remember the most important thing right now is range, but w/ Mo pitching eh ?
Welcome back Mo
Oh come on. How the hell is that a hit?
If the shoulder injury forces Joba back to the bullpen for his career, then today’s news is not good news.
The best pitching prospect for the Yankees in the last 30 years would be relegated to relief, and the course of the franchise would forever be changed. That’s not good.
There’s no one in the organization even remotely close to filling that void. Betances is incredibly raw. Brackman hasn’t even begun to throw and is years away from contributing – if at all. Gerrit Cole may not even sign. Hughes and Kennedy are huge question marks.
The team may be forced to go after C.C (which they should do anyway) but at a much higher pricetag.
Joba going to the bullpen would not be a good thing. He is a starter. That’s what he was born to be.
that Chris Davis is going to be a stud 1B in the future.
ok yeah i thought about that after i posted it. i was just referring to the part about melky coming up 2nd if they tie. damon should have been the one replaced though yes
one… strike… away….
that Chris Davis is going to be a stud 1B in the future.
we drafted him back in 04 but he opted for college instead. damn!
sorry everyone my head is up my ass tonight and i’m a total tool. Actually i’m more than a tool, i’m the whole tool shed. In fact, i have plenty of battery operated tools, that i most certainly leave the batteries in every night after i use them. Its quite nice, you should try it sometime.
Mo’s the greatest!!Finally a win.
Obviously Mo is fine! Great job by Ponson and the bullpen tonight. Let’s hope Moose keeps it up tomorrow.
Good game. Needed that big time
How is an injury that may have been the result of a freak play evidence that Joba has to go into the bullpen for his whole career? This isn’t Kerry Wood here.
Bam!
Mo’s back looks ok… BALL GAME
We can all sleep well and even watch Sportscenter tonight lol
Are the Ranger fans stealing our chant?
yanksfanmc-
Just admit that you are a fraud.
“that Chris Davis is going to be a stud 1B in the future.”
Yup. He’s 40 homers waiting to happen.
Nice final play by Wilson B.
Nice game gang.
We’re back on track.
rconn23 there is no way he goes to the bullpen, if he can’t throw 60-100 pitches this year they will no doubt shut him down for 2008. Pitching out of the pen he’d have to throw w/ max effort the SP role conserves him, so it’s either SP or SHUTDOWN.
sorry everyone my head is up my ass tonight and i’m a total tool. Actually i’m more than a tool, i’m the whole tool shed. In fact, i have plenty of battery operated tools, that i most certainly leave the batteries in every night after i use them. Its quite nice, you should try it sometime.
Nice game!
finally mo being mo.
Brackman isn’t too long away. While I don’t expect him to shoot through like Joba he has the stuff to take two years and come up.
The most unbelievable part of that story, Nick,. is that Steve Phillips, an ESPN employee, would sit on that kind of story- Yankees lying about the severity of the injury.
Obviously the Yankees left so many men on base today so they kept the score at 5… to commemorate the 5 RBI’s by Bobby Murcer on the day of Thurman Munson’s funeral.
“August 6th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
How is an injury that may have been the result of a freak play evidence that Joba has to go into the bullpen for his whole career? This isn’t Kerry Wood here”
hopefully, it’s not (kerry wood)
rconn23 well said .. Joba needs to be a starter if at all possible..
good win, of course very very little clutch hitting.
man Arod is in a funk… any win is a good win.
Brackman will throw off a mound on Thursday. But he is atleast a year and a half away if he hits his potential. But that kid is the goods.
SJ, I agree with you on the winter ball thing. They wouldn’t want to waste anything with Joba outside of teh MLB team. Like during the year, they stretched him on teh team. Also, with his injury concerns since college, not major, but lots of muscle strains, they would prefer none happened outside of the Yanks control.
Well, our motley crew did it. Led by our fearless captain. Don’t let all of the jealous fans get you down.
Good job by Molina (again).
Pete, don’t forget to ask about Pudge. Joba’s not the only injured guy we have.
Anybody know Brackman’s pitches adn velocity?
LOL, JoeT. I have the same quirk. I only sleep well after Yankee wins (or Sox/Rays losses). Sad but true.
A huge tip of the cap to Sir Sid tonight. I wish I could have more faith in him, it’s hard sometimes w/history, but he pitched a great game with the team’s collective backs up against the wall. It was Ponsanity! And all in all, his Yankee performance thus far has vastly exceeded my expectations.
27 this year he reportedly can hit triple digits when right.
Brandon, how is his other stuff?
Moeller cleared waivers and is in SWB and I read they let 1 of there catchers go to make room for Moeller.. I think it was Closser, they probably need to have Moeller on a plane first thing in the morning…
yeah Sidney has exceeded my expectations. he has been very lucky but he has not been terrible, he has been decent for a 5th starter…
the only downside is the usual bad CLUTCH HITTING.. That is the only negative tonight…
Pen had a good night they need them to pick it up… Also no one in the pen threw that many pitches so that is good.. Veras 2 days in a row, do they allow him to go 3 days even if he only pithed to 1 guy tonight?
Not the most impressive of wins facing “Codfish” Hunter but we’ll take it all the same. Ponson was decent and the bullpen back to form though. Jeter played better but Arod still totally out of it. Here’s to Moose throwing his usual trickery and us going into the true “House of Horrors” on a positive note.
Brackman has a plus plus fastball with movement and a knuckle curve that has plus plus potential
The Yanks will attempt to resign both Mussina and Pettitte (if they want to pitch again) for next year. With innings being an issue for both Hughes and Chamberlain, I could see a chance for some sort of a 6 man rotation. They could also use Kennedy as a long arm in the pen. It gives the Yanks 7 starters that would be readily available to the Yanks.
One thing to say: HAIL PONSON! When we really need him he’s good.
Joba is coming back within a month.
What if they had Chamberlain and Hughes alternate starts and only in emergencies or once in a while switch to a six man giving everyone innings and preventing fatigue of Moose and Pettite?
Just tossing ideas.
Amazing how someone like Ponson could factor heavily in the Yankees playoff hunt…
Makes you think it’s not that unreasonable that Carl Pavano might play a role yet…
By the way, what are they saying about Hughes? How far away is he? Perhaps he can pick up where Joba left off…remember how well he pithced last September?
Also, if Brackman has movement on that, he could even go down to 96-97 and still dominate through late innings and with a good secondary that means he could be really good. Does he have a third pitch because you can’t only work with 2 as a starter.
Way off topic, but NBA schedule was released today. Psyched!
Hopefully, though, we’ll be paying lots of attention to the Yankees down the stretch.
Good news about Pudge. If he’s day-to-day, can’t Molina cover until he’s not day-to-day? Jose seems to play well against his old team.
If Moeller gets called up, can we option him back down or do we have to DFA him and pass him through waivers?
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I like your idea! I doubt G has the cajones to do it however!
“What if they had Chamberlain and Hughes alternate starts and only in emergencies or once in a while switch to a six man giving everyone innings and preventing fatigue of Moose and Pettite?”
GB7,
Talk about square one. Remember the debates we used to have about whether or not to use a 6-man rotation?
Dynasty,
If Hughes cruises in his next Scranton start expect him back for the homestand. This was a possibility before Joba’s went down. Now it’s more than a possibility.
apparantly, the team didn’t recieve the memo from this blog tonight that shouldn’t bother playing.
nice win. could have been better, sure, but a win is a win.
no, i don’t know what pod person has invaded Sidney Ponson’s body…
i’m as hopeful as can be about Joba. the future is what’s more important. this team found ways to make it work for him this year. they’ll find ways next year, i’m sure.
i’d be all for a six-man rotation next year. i can’t imagine someone like C.C. Sabathia necessarily excited about signing onto that, though. am i wrong in thinking that?
THe thing that would help though is to sign CC regardless to have that innings eater with ace like stuff. It would allow the rest of it to work because CC and Wang woudl solify everything and the next four guys with Moose Pettite Joba and Hughes, you can expect decent success.
Jorge, I never said that the whole season should have a 6 man, just at times but mostly Hughes and Joba switching and maybe working three or four innings out of the pen teh other times or something creatvie. I am in high school, let Girardi figure out the details.
Pretty cool that others want to use my name and make up posts
However, I stand by the info. I gave out from S. Phillips.
He is a family friend, I however find him to be a pompous ass****.
I have an uncle that went to college with him in Michigan and they have remained friends. My uncle lives just outside of Wilton, Conn
LOL be careful w/ the word medicine GI Joe
re: all things being equal who would you rather have?
Santana. No explanation necessary.
Pudge is day to day w/ a bruise. DAMN BALLSY CATCHER !
yanksfanmc,
Our condolences…
A-Rod still can’t get a hit. Maybe he’s holding out for Anaheim and Minny.
When I look at Joba’s injury, to me, it doesn’t really make any sense that people are suggesting that he needs to be in the bullpen… I would think it’s possible that the bullpen work is where the problems started. I would think that is more wear and work on his shoulder to pitch MULTIPLE days in a row, and have to warm up each time. I would think once he gets warmed up, throwing 90-100 pitches once every 5 days is better than having him pitch multiple days in a row.
Mel, I do remember it, but, who thought this injury plague would hit like this? It really is an option that I would look into, but, that’s me. If anybody is unhappy with the seasons being put up by Mussina and Pettitte, then, they haven’t a clue. It builds the innings for Hughes and Chamberlain, but, it also buys time for Mussina to work with Kennedy, who is a Mussina clone.
I don’t look for next year’s offense to sputter like it has this year, basically from top to bottom. The bullpen next year, could be the best in history.
DFox, See Papelbon in Boston. Who had the same shoulder issues. Like talking to brick walls.
That was fun.
Brett Farve to Jets— on ESPN now
Holy Crap. Favre is a Jet!
“The bullpen next year, could be the best in history.”
Bullpens vary year to year. It is why those pitchers are in the pen to begin with.
You don’t alternate starts. You don’t have 6 man rotations. You don’t become hamstrung by catering to 1 or 2 players. The other pitchers need work too you know.
You people act like Joba’s the first pitcher to go on the DL. Like it’s an omen. Joba historically having issues? Puhleez. Kerry Wood has had issues historically. And that’s why he can’t pitch on a regular basis. Kerry Wood is a toothpick to Joba’s Louisville Slugger.
“DFox, See Papelbon in Boston. Who had the same shoulder issues. Like talking to brick walls.”
What does anything with Papelbon have to do with Joba Chamberlain? Papelbon was going to be a starter but they needed a closer… Not really a difficult concept.
Good for Favre. Good for the Jets. Good for the Packers. They’re going to get what they deserve. A whole lot of Rodgers. A whole lot of nothing. Favre changed his mind. So what? That gives the Packers the right to treat him like crap? Criminal.
Farve gets to stay with a green wardrobe!!
As a dolphin fan i feel a little bit more gloomy tonight.
Favre traded to the Jets… Watch out Pete and Pats.. I think Cotchery will have a humongous year and so will Coles…
LOL Failmary to the Jets
do the jets play the packers this yr?
Yankeeography Alex Rodriguez (LATER PEOPLES)
SJ44, Patrick –
Would / could they be putting Joba on a ‘thowing program’ for the purposes of keeping the shoulder limber in general, and to keep his workload going (in a lower-stress manner) so he can get to an ‘innings equivalent’ as he coasts past the end of the season on the sideline?
Even if its not Dr Andrews’ way (and I’m no doctor) it sounds like a cortisone shot may be a possibility to help with the anti-inflammation action his tendon’s in apparent need of.
Hopefully Jobas situbation’s not an indication or precursor of a deeper, more serious issue. Also hopeful its not something that’ll flare up after 80-100 innings each season because he’s got ace written all over him. If it turns out starting’s out of the question then maybe they move him to the 8th then to close when Mo’s done. I hope he can start because he’s worth lots more as a starter than a closer.
Good news on Joba. Rotator tendinitis is a common issue with pitchers and Joba has never had any trouble with his rotator cuff before.
That said – I think it’s more likely than not that his season is over. Which I personally am not that concerned about – by far the most important thing was his future health and whether he would need surgery.
Now it’s an injury that you have to be conservative with – that’s just part of baseball you have to deal with.
The yankees aren’t very forth coming or transparent about injuries – but the main thing they aren’t on the up and up about is the expected schedule for recovery. They over estimate publicly when a player is going to come back again and again. That’s the maim issue with them an injuries – not really saying a player has one injury when in fact he has another.
People have been bringing up Posada’s shoulder. Not a good comparison for Joba for several reasons.
First – Posada already had surgery on his labrum in the past – we knew it was damaged. Once it tears it’s never going to be as strong. Joba’s never had a rotator cuff or labrum issue before.
Second – and perhaps the most important – their sympotoms and level of function were completely different. Jorge could hardly use his arm and described it as “dead,” “weak,” “not working,” etc. Joba was throwing 96-98 with that stiffness. He had no problems with resistance or weakness afterwards. Those are drastically different symptoms and levels of strength.
They are going to be ultra-conservative with him. The yankees mathematically have around a 15-20% chance to make the playoffs. That was with Joba. Without him they may have a 10% chance. They will need much more than Joba to make the playoffs. They aren’t going to take that risk of him being hurt.
I don’t think there’s any particular reason why rotator tendinitis would place his future in the bull pen. That discussion is something which IMO wouldn’t have come up if they didn’t happen to put him into the pen last year just to help out the team.
He’s always been a starter and outside of some triceps tendinitis (which wasn’t that bad and isn’t that significant an injury) his arm has been fine.
Many pitchers get rotator cuff tendinitis – John Maine – another young pitcher – is on the DL right now for the Mets with rotator cuff tendinitis.
The yankees will be very cautious with him – he may not be back in the rotation this year. But he’ll be there next year.
He’ll be ok. They may need to tweak somethings. I’ve always been a bit concerned that he throws his slider too much and it’s such a violent pitch. He may need to mix in more curve balls, etc. But I think he’ll be ok.
Roger Clemens got his shoulder scoped when he was 24 I think (1985). As long as they don’t need to cut most pitchers are fine afterwards.
Wang had shoulder issues and has recovered from it so be hopeful on Joba.
Hallmark, that used to be why they were in the bullpen…because they weren’t good enough in the rotation, older former starters. That started to change in the late 1940s, when the Yanks brought in Joe Page to close. There had been earlier closers like Johnny Murphy and Johnny Allen. Even those guys were starting games. Hoyt wilhelm was a starter, then relief. Luis arroyo closed for the Yanks in 1961 and that was the next wave of closers that closed in the minors. The late 60s and early 70s broughtin the first mass closer era with Lyle, McDaniels, Mike Marshall. They were all multiple innings closers.
Righetti was one of the first of the one inning specialists. Now, the new era has just begun with long men, setup pitchers and closers being bred for those jobs in college. That is the new wave.
NYY kept the championship bullpen together for years. That will be what happens with this one. Some may leave to close for other teams or more money, but, you won’t see the huge year to year roll over with this pen like there was that past 7 years, when it was patched together, because the Yankee front office ignored it.
Where’s the guy who said Steve Phillips said he tore his labrum?
michelle,
no.. jets play the nfc west this season..
Michelle-the Jets don’t play the Packers this year.
So I guess this means bye bye Chad? Not a Jets fan, but I feel bad for him.
A lot of great moments in tonight’s game. I wish we could see this kind of consistent effort by this team.
Pudge made a great play at the plate. Nady in LF. Cano picking that line drive that was really a double play.
But the best effort of the night was Sidney Ponson. I know he gets knocked, but the guy can make his pitches move. He’s more emotional than I remember him on the mound, but he has those flashes of using that emotion the right way.
I wouldn’t be so quick to dump his. He throws a 93mph fastball that darts from left to right and when he has his sinker and breaking ball, he’s going to win games for this team.
Great team effort tonight and a great job by Sidney.
Let’s see Moose fool these free swinging Texans tomorrow and get out of here with the split and try to take a series in Anaheim God willing.
Maybe Jeter going to the Murcer memorial cleared the cobwebs and his best is yet to come.
Why does Arod have a Yankeeography now when he is signed for another 9 years.??.and also has another good 5-6 years in front of him. It doesn’t make sense. They are going to have to add on to the show why not just wait until this career is over?!! Hopefully a championship will be added to the end of this…and he will start hitting again. 0-10 time to show Yankeeography…
Jets are winning the AFC East. Sorry, Pete. Okay, I’m not sorry.
“Why does Arod have a Yankeeography now when he is signed for another 9 years.??.”
I agree. Nothing against A. Rodriguez, I don’t a believe a CURRENT player should have a biography until his career is over.
This is just another example of the YES Network are too pompous and out of touch of creating a sports channel for New York fans. SNY did a great job with their network and the Yankees should reconsider their business plan with that network.
So, ESPN feels inclined to detail the geography of the NYC area for us on SportsCenter and specify which parts are appealing to Brett and which are not.
I wonder if they will set up NFL Life sets outside the Sussex County Hunting Lodge.
Hey Mel,
Sorry that your Christmas may not be so happy this year….Celtics at Lakers on December 25th!
I couldn’t resist after all your pinstripe boxer comments. lol
Whoa, mel, what’s with the Aaron Rodgers hate? He’s just a kid who did everything right. And you’re going to downgrade him? For doing everything right?
I wonder if the Madden Curse will strike Brett. Or maybe this whole soap opera we just went through was the curse?
Unbelievable. Some of you “wizards” have now decided to complain about who gets Yankeeographies. My God, is there a limit to pettiness and stupidity with some of you people?
ray,
lol. You don’t have Posey, you don’t have a chance.
Nick,
Not hating on Rodgers. Hating on the Packers. They could have traded Favre from the get go. But they didn’t have the equipment. But they yanked his chain. Did everything but bribe him. Wait. They did that, too. Then the NFL forces their hand. Welcome Brett, we’ll have an open competition. Fine. But instead McCarthy tries to pursuade Favre for 5 hours that he really doesn’t want to play in Green Bay. Then they trade him. Every which way but right.
Rodgers, fantastic patience and nerve. Except when he told the fans to shut up. Other than that Aaron’s been great and the team will rally around him.
But the dude is falling apart during practices. Yes, 10,000 protesting fans will unnerve a lot of people. But how’s it going to be when he’s not Brett Favre at Lambeau Field when they could’ve had Brett Favre? The Green Bay Packers are a professional operation and IMO they didn’t do the right thing for their team.
Wow. I thought I was going to the Lohud Yankee blog, and I seem to have stumbled across an amateur orthopedic surgery convention.
What’s with all the Joba negativity? This is not like Posada, not at all. Posada had no velocity immediately, it got worse, and he couldn’t sleep on his side–classic rotator cuff symptoms.
Joba was throwing 96-98 prior to the shoulder issue. He did a backflip two plays before. On the pitch it happened, he threw 96. Even Pudge said his velocity was fine.
I really doubt this is a serious injury, and I also think that this had nothing to do with being a starter or a reliever. It was a 22 year old, overthrowing in 102 degree heat, after having just done a backflip to get out of the way of a throw.
Compare this to John Maine, who was sore for two weeks before he was finally pulled against the Marlins last week.
The Yankees are being extra cautious with Wang, Hughes, IPK, and Joba. This is likely 4/5 of the 09 rotation. I think the FO and the Steinbrenner bros were going to write off the season mid-July prior to the ASB and work to win in 09 when suddenly they had the 8 game streak prior to the trade deadline.
This now puts the team in a strange situation. Suppose they suddenly win 5 of their next 7? Do they push Wang and Joba?
Here’s my guess. They have until August 31 to make their decision. This is about 20 games, or 4 starts per starter. Mussina goes 3-1. Pettite reverts to form (which he has done all year–a few bad ones, then a few good ones, which he is now due for). Ponson gives them 3-4 more decent starts (why not–it’s ugly, but he is 7-2).
The season comes down to IPK and Giese (or whoever–Aceves?). If these two can give maybe 4-5 good starts out of 8, and the Yankees are within 2 games of the WC in the loss column by the conclusion of the Boston series, look for Wang and Joba to be on the 25 man, even if just for a day on August 31.
Another item. Some random guy who had TJ surgery is at Trenton. The Yankees could care less about his future. He’s pitching for a contract (ha, ha, ha). Bring him up to pitch the garbage games instead of Chase Wright, and get some return on your $40 million.
I hate when ARod makes out too, but he has the 2nd best OPS in baseball this year. He was #1 last year. #13 in 2006. #1 in 2005. He’s going to make outs, but I’d say he’s doing pretty well!
Favre traded to the JETS?
I’m a long time Packer fan and I say GOOD RIDDANCE!!
He can take his ego driven, wrangler wearin’, interception machine somewhere else. Hey Jets fans have fun while he throws 22 ints. this year. The guy is the most overrated quarterback in the history of professional football.
Yeah, mel. I’m a Packers fan, and you would expect most of us to be upset at Packers ownership for discarding an icon who has been our franchise. Yet I think most of us (most that I know for sure) agree with the Packers on this one. Favre was not mistreated- he played the same waffling thing every offseason, then retired coming off a great season with a team that couldve contended for a Super Bowl in 2008. He said that did not think he would be able to go through a full season, that he didnt trust himself to get to Week 17 without at one point saying”I cant do this anymore.” That is not the kind of guy who you just take back, someone who said he was not sure if he would remain motivated all year. They planned for 2008 without him, and they believe in Rodgers, as do I. As long as Rodgers manages the game, this will be a very good team, quick young improving defense, strong running game and receiving core. The Packers were left in the lurch by Favre, planned without him, so they traded him. Makes sense to me. It will be devastating to see him wearing another uniform, but it just made the most sense.
Favre deserves some hateraid too mel. He’s not Mr. Innocent in all of this. There is a lot of blame to go around for all that went down.
Anywho, have fun Jet fans.
You guys are right. Favre deserves a lot of hate. BUT, why not trade him or release him in the first place? The man reserves the right to play football if he wants. There’s no law preventing him from doing so.
And through the good and the bad, Favre hasn’t built up any equity over the years? If Steinbrenner owned the Packers, Favre would be wearing the red jersey and you’d pick up right where you left off.
Good luck to Aaron, but it won’t be as easy as Favre made it look.
“This now puts the team in a strange situation. Suppose they suddenly win 5 of their next 7? Do they push Wang and Joba?”
In my opinion, they go as planned, have him start throwing in a week, go to Dr. Andrews, and if he says Joba is good to go, then he’s good to go. I don’t agree with people who say sit him down the whole season. The injury sounds very minor, especially from David Cones description and he seemed to indicate Joba should have no trouble pitching in a few weeks from now. So if Dr. Andrews sees no problem with him pitching then, then it would be silly to shut him down. What happens if he gets a little injury next season? You DL him then shut him down? Eventually you have to start treating him like a semi-normal player.
Mel, they tried to trade him, he said he only wanted to go to the Vikings. Would you release Jeter at the end of his career if he said he wanted to go to Boston.
Moshe,
Yes, I would release him if I weren’t going to play him. Especially if I believed that the team we would field could take on all comers.
Come on? Seriously? Its bad for business- you dont improve your competition and give up an asset that can bring you a draft pick.
I said this earlier:
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“Jets have offered GB a 4th rd pick that can escalate to a 2nd rd pick according to ESPN. This could be amazing for the Jets (I’m a Jets fan btw), we could get Favre and get a Top-10 pick too
Without Favre, the Jets would likely finish 5-11 or 6-10 (best case imo). Now with Favre, a 9-7 or even a 10-6 record isn’t out of the question. We might be able to make the playoffs with Favre.
Mo! May you remain perfect. In save situations.
Tendinitis does not mean tear.