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Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 06, 2008 
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Joba Chamberlain is going to see Dr. James Andrews for a second opinion. That can’t be good news.
What’s definitely not good news is that the Yankees were beaten again by Texas. Andy Pettitte took the loss.
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In some sad news from Dutchess County, an 11-year-old Yankees fan who was injured in a traffic accident returning from a game passed away last night. Our condolences to the family of Michael Cody.
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Yankees-Rangers tonight at 8:05. The forecast calls for scattered thunderstorms.
Wow…every headline is depressing.
RIP Michael Cody.
Is what Jobas father said to the Daily News true?
[QUOTE=]“It needs rest,†Harlan Chamberlain told the Daily News in a telephone interview. “Nothing serious, is what I’m told, from talking to Joba. Hopefully, his injury won’t mean he’s out real long. I’m sure he won’t start in (Anaheim). We just have to wait to see what the doctor says. Only time will tell.â€[/QUOTE]
Rod Smart,
We will soon find out.
God bless Joba.
it is time to move mr. unclutch out of the clean-up spot. he is a zero when it counts.
is it too late to trade arod for jarrod washburn?
With respect to Joba’s situation Buster Olney is spinning the news negatively on ESPN – doesn’t seem to have any inside info -just that it looks bad.
More positive Melancon news from Chad Jennings:
“Mark Melancon, of course, was outstanding. That should be the last time Dave Miley and Rafael Chaves are forced to bring Melancon in to start an inning, and it will be interesting to see how he handles entering a game with runners on base. But immediately after an infield single tonight, Melancon quickly got a 6-4-3 double play. He then struck out the side in the ninth, ending it with a big, bending curveball. The guy covering for Pawtucket said the PawSox players were talking about Melancon in the clubhouse after the game.”
Jennings even had a lot of nice things to say about Igawa – but who cares?
It has come down to me rooting for rain, so that we can skip Pontoon in the rotation. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
Out of the gate after the break : 8-0
Since then : 3-7
Hot and Cold, Inconsistent play : ALWAYS
Chance for PostSeason Success : Remote
Joba will be out until September 1st ( at least ) Just my opinion…..also means that we have to go to war for what could be the rest of the season with :
Andy : not pitching well lately
Moose : would have to step up and be the ACE ? ( yikes )
Ponson : are you KIDDING Me ?
Giese ; Such a temporary stop gap
Kennedy : AAAA Player until he SHOWS otherwise
Unless the bats can mash out a minimum of 7 runs each game, this is going to be a “fingernails on the chalkboard” next 4 weeks, folks….
is something wrong with derek jeter? what happened to the guy who used to inside out pitches? i know he didnt forget how to do that… he seems to be rolling over into a ton of double plays.. hurt his wrist?
Jeter needs to be placed somewhere around 7th in the lineup. How many more times is he going to ground out/into a double play in a big spot. Sexson’s grand slam should have put us up by eight!
Boy it hurts to admit this… But here we are.
The Yankees are just not very good.
The Yankees’ season has been going on for 127 days now.
There was one 9-day stretch where the Yankees went 8-0 (the first 9 days after the All Star game)…
For the other 118 days, the Yankees are 53-52.
That means for 92.9% of their season, the Yankees have been pretty much a .500 team.
damon, arod, abreu, nady, cano, jeter, giambi, irod, melky.
“Buster Olney is spinning the news negatively on ESPN – doesn’t seem to have any inside info -just that it looks bad.”
well, doesnt it? to me, it looks bad, too.
I hope I am not being a pessimist here, but I thing I am being a realist. It is over folks. The Yankees have no chance of making the playoffs this year. I have a hunch that all of these road games against good teams are going to bury the Yanks. Their biggest problem: lack of quality starting pitching. This team certainly does not seem to have the “it” factor that those great teams of the later 90′s had.
and IF a .500 team sneaks into the playoffs, the wide gap between THAT team and the REAL playoff teams that deserve to be in there is quickly realized…
and if you think Girardi is going to shuffle the lineup around, and move Jeter and ARod out of the 2 and 4 hole, respectively, with 49 games left… you’re nuts.
its sink or swim time. win 2 out of every 3 from here on out, they can finish with 93 wins, which is about what it will take to win the Wild Card… they’re still in it, because they have a number of head to head games left with TB and Boston, but its getting late quickly.
jeter and arod are killing us.
Stick a folk in them there done. They look in total disarray. They can’t hit in the clutch. AROD stinks, and I don’t care what his stats say, he stinks.The pitching is non existent at any level. Starters, middle relief and closers all suck except Moose and Mariano.Without Joba they are going no where . You know if he is heading to see Dr Andrews that he is done for the season. Cashman fooled us into thinking that he was really going for it but to start the season with Hughes and Kennedy should have told us to “wait until next yearâ€. 25 of the last 49 games are against teams that have a better record than we do–the Rangers were supposed to be the easy part of the schedule.
One can only hope that they will totally clean house next year, starting with Cashman, and put a team on the field that really wants to win.This team is an $200M embarrassment
PS– 49 more games to go then 5 months to pitchers and catchers
“jeter and arod are killing us.”
its not jeter. its not arod.
its a collective effort of inconsistent play that has left the team in the situation where it stands right now.
win 2 out of 3 the rest of the way ? LOL…that is FUNNY !
I’m still pained over the Baltimore series and The Yankees still have to play them 6 more times.
If this team thinks it will all get taken care of with the head to head games left with Boston and Tampa Bay then they’re BS-ing themselves.
Stinking it up against teams they should beat is a recipe for no postseason.
A-Rod says the team needs to play with a sense of ugency. Oh ??? Try looking in the mirror – hotshot.
i cant believe we’re stuck with a-stats for 9 more years.
Mike has been our ace all year. He just has to continue it. Without him this team would be dead. I can’t believe we have 30 road games left!! How the heck did that happen? They weren’t hope most of April.
Hopefully Joba’s papa is correct, Keep your fingers crossed.
WHile Boston is leading the wildcard, they are in deep trouble as well. Ortiz is hurting and missing Manny. Do you really think Bay will continue his hot streak? Their pen stinks. They have many issues as well.
jennifer, how dare you look at things objectively.
dont you know? the first couple hours of the morning here after a yankees loss must only pertain to doom and gloom.
“skeptic
August 6th, 2008 at 8:24 am
i cant believe we’re stuck with a-stats for 9 more years.”
I love the new nickname….that is awesome and dead on.
As Pete pointed out WTF was Melky doing batting in the 6th over Pudge. This team does not play well for Girardi and his BS managing style has worn in me in Year 1. He has to be on a short lease in ’09.
What has this team done since A-Stats came to the team in ’04. He is cancer and bad luck wherever he goes. I think we win #27 in 2018.
Chet
Great article writte by Lupica!! I am shocked
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....is_th.html
Jorge’s surgery was only 45 minutes, sounds relatively short to me. Sounds like great news!
Hey Pete..
Does Anyone in the front office know Good PITCHING is the key to the playoffs?
Best Pick up was Nady!
WE Need Arms The Kids Arent READY…
Someone Tell Hollering HANK we need ARMS…
I’m not giving up, but thought about it hard yesterday. This season-;long slump is way harder to take then a sudden playoff loss. Its like torture.
I’m beginning to think that Tampa just deserves this.
It looks like the “battle” for the Wild Card may be a war of attrition between seriously flawed balclubs.
Yeah, the Yanks have had a ton of issues… but all this “We stink”, “We suck”, “$ 200 Million embarrassment” stuff sounds like a bunch of middle schoolers. Use a brain cell in your next post, ok?
That said, I don’t think A-Rod could have had a worse night and the Yanks pitch selection at the plate is dismal. Crossing my fingers for Joba… for his benefit, the Yankees benefit, and to make all the media medical experts look like idiots.
At least its almost time for the GMEN!
tunrtwo. I am sorry, hangs head in shame.
It is over, we can’t win, this team stinks, we have no pen. All Jeter does it hit into dp, and than get a hit in the 9th, and what does Alex do??? He hits into a dp! How can Alex do that? He stinks!! He isn’t clutch like Jeter.
Is that better? :p
haha, a little better
“WHile Boston is leading the wildcard, they are in deep trouble as well. Ortiz is hurting and missing Manny.”
It certainly didn’t look like Ortiz was missing Manny last night as Bay went four for five, and Ortiz gave Bay a welcoming whip cream pie in his face. Ortiz said after the game that Bay is just what the team needed.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....s_f-2.html
Info about failed physical was bogus!! Unreal!
The report that Coke had failed a physical came from Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus, who said, “I was given the information by a trusted source, ran with it, and corrected it when it turned out not to be the case. I wish I never made mistakes. I wish I was never given incorrect info, but . . . that’s not the case.”
I heard Ortiz is 2 for 20 or something like that since Manny’s trade.
the yankees played 13/16 at home after the asb. now they are playing 16/19 on the road and when they finish that, they will have 16 left at home and 16 on the road. id say thats a very fair schedule.
In defense of our beloved Yankees, I would have to say that if they were healthy this year, I think they would be in a much better place. All those injuries take a toll on a team. I know the players try to be tough, but it has to be debilitating mentally. Why can’t these guys stay healthy? I can understand when older players like Matsui and Posada get injured, but what about the younger guys like Wang, Hughes, and Chamberlain? Do we have a bunch of “lemons” for younger players?
Calling A-Rod clutch is like calling Fidel Castro a great leader.
jennifer,
You are correct that Ortiz has not many hits the last few games. However, I’m not convinced it is related to the trading of Manny.
I wholeheartedly agree that the Sox have some issues, but of late the bullpen seems to be a little better while Lester, Dice-K, and Beckett are pitching better than at the beginning of the season.
I have said this repeatedly and still maintain in spite of the Yankee injuries that both Boston and New York will be competitive and right there until the last day of the season.
This road trip will truly define what this team is made of.
ray, it’s like we are both backing fighters that are going to beat the crapola out of each other for the right to get knocked out by Mike Tyson in his prime. Neither team is equipped for the playoffs right now. This is a sad, sad day.
I hope you are right, cause right now it is mentally challeging for this team. As if nothing is going right. They’ve lost at least 3 players for the year. Wang, Jorge, and likely Matsui. Three guys you expected to do a lot for your team. Right now they are playing without 4/5 of their rotation. No one expected Dan Giese, Ponson, or Ranser to be pitching meaningful games down the stretch. But they’ve had so many injuries that they are at their 9th and 10th options.
I’m tired of being positive, too draining. I am just going to expect the worst from this team, and hope for the best. There comes a time where your optimism has to be hit with reality. And the reality is, this team just isn’t that good. They haven’t been good for 120+ games now. Unless they can make a complete 180 on the next 40+ games, October is going to be a depressing month.
I’m not going to write them off though, because they always find a way to pull something out of their rear. However, I am not going to sit here and give myself false hope only to be let down by the end of the season. It is what it is at this point.
My generation has been SPOILED by the 90′s Yankees and that is why it is so easy for us to point at people to put the blame on. Maybe missing the playoffs is something this fanbase actually needs. Seperate the real from the fake and strain all the bandwagoners out.
Hey Vito. The Angels do look very good right now don’t they?
“This road trip will truly define what this team is made of.”
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0-2 so far, headed to 4-6 at best….THAT is what this team is made of….( and the technical term would be “Doo-Doo” )
ray, the Angels have been my new team to despise for quite some time, mention them again to me and I will have to come over there and give you a wedgey.
ray
Not being one who buys into the theory that one person can make or break a team, this is less about Manny or Ortiz but about the other guys around them. Ortiz may not have played well since Manny has left, maybe it’s Manny maybe it’s the wrist, but the other guys who they did count on like JD Drew or Mike Lowell have also had their issues in the past few days.
The Yanks and Sox are both flawed teams this year. Neither one can really be happy with any aspect of their game. It’s gonna come down to whether they can find big enough bandaids to overcome those flaws.
ray (who is running backwards keeping an eye out for Vito)
I will never mention that aforementioned so called, alleged team from Mickey Mouse land to you again Vito!
“Right now they are playing without 4/5 of their rotation”
3/5 actually (Mussina & Pettitte = 2/5), but the staff has been hurt badly by injury and the misguided notion that kids could make a significant contribution in their 1st full seasons.
pat
I certainly agree that right now both teams are flawed. I honestly wish that both teams were more healthy right now because the rivalry between them is just more fun when they are both at their best, at least in my opinion.
I’ve never been one that likes to see the other team decimated by injuries, and so I sincerely hope that Joba will be back soon for you guys.
vito
the team which shall not be named gave up 14 unearned runs in 2 games this week and was 1 hit by a kid making his MLB debut last night. Does that help even a little?
We are missing Wang, Hughes, Kennedy, and now Joba. Hense 4/5th.
“The Yankees have no chance of making the playoffs this year. I have a hunch that all of these road games against good teams are going to bury the Yanks.”
Unfortunately, I feel the same way. And I will probably get 10 people screaming at me “What are you doing in here then,” “The Yankees don’t need you,” “Goodbye, no one will miss you.”
The reality is, the Yanks have close to no starting pitching for a stretch run that includes numerous away games against tough, TOUGH, teams.
It would take a miracle for them to gain any ground without Joba, Wang, Matsui, Posada. I’m afraid the Yankees are out of tricks this season. Here’s looking toward next.
Farnsworth blew yet another save for DET. We might have dodged a bullet.
I defended A-Rod here yesterday, but today…. Two double plays? Really? And we can talk about the collective team effort stinking, however, Alex is starting to look like he doesnt even care. Time for a day or two on the bench. Maybe that will wake him up.
no one is talking about OUR best2 pitches we spent tons of money on.. KEI and PAVANO..
Q: What do A-Rod and Fidel Castro have in common?
A: Same number of appearances in the World Series.
“Farnsworth blew yet another save for DET. We might have dodged a bullet.”
Yankees pen has been crap since he left, but I see that more as coincidence more than a cause/effect thing. Even though Pudge is now only an average ballplayer, there is no way that trade can be viewed as anything other than sensible, no matter what Farnsworth does in Motown.
While some people enjoy bashing Farnsworth, would this team be any better or worse with him on it right now? He was pitching fairly well this year for the Yankees. Now the Bullpen looks to be falling apart.
“He was pitching fairly well this year for the Yankees. Now the Bullpen looks to be falling apart.”
You think that Farnsworth was the glue that was holding it together? No way. Farnsworth was due to have his issues; I think Joe saw that. Why else would he have agreed to trade one of his favorites?
As for our current bullpen issues, I have a feeling that our bullpen would have imploded whether Farnsy was here or not.
fuh -
Farnsy has blown 2 leads since he left – (2 dingers in the first one and I haven’t checked out the second)
So yeah, we would be 2 games worse.
When Girardi brought Mariano in to get 5 outs in Boston, that was it. You knew then that for all Girardi’s optimistic talk about Farns, he knew that the Krazy one could not be trusted.
“I have a feeling that our bullpen would have imploded whether Farnsy was here or not.”
Agreed Laura. Pen was superb for a pretty long stretch. A correction has been due.
Will you people stop the Alex bashing. Btw he was SAFE on that play. But what a shock the umps don’t see it that way. And was anyone talking about the antics of their closer last night? Talk about showing someone up. In fact thier entire team is celebrating like a bunch of little leaguers.
Our bullpen is having problems right ow because none of the starters, except moose, are giving the team ny length.
Bullpens aren’t supposed to pitch four innings of every game, but ours is.
Lets replace the umpires with cameras. No way technology could be as bad as the umping has gotten this year.
Good thing there was no blogging during Mickey Mantle’s career. Some of you are unreal. Arod is not going to get a hit everytime up and everytime up with RISP, he is going to fail sometimes. Just like everybody else. He seems in a rut lately, it happenes, this is baseball. Remember he was hitting about .150 with RISP through the first month or two of the season. I understand he’s the highest paid player in baseball and expectations are high. He and everybody else on this team have 49 games left to start doing something and it starts tonight.
Baseball is a crazy game. We expect to win with Joba and Andy going against Texas and lose. We’ll expect the worst when Ponson pitches tonight and you watch the Yanks will win.
This isnt so much ARod bashing, as opposed to venting frustration. He has become a double play machine. Whether he was safe of out, he hit into a double play, twice, and also in the Angels game where the 3rd baseman dropped the ball. He and Jeter in particular have been rally killers this year. In particular, Alex needs a day on the bench, because he looks very warn out.
Talk all the crap about A-Rod you want, I don’t know why he is the only one singled out in the comments. Jeter sucks, there is a reason he was voted “Most Overrated” by other players. If he was a true leader and Captain of the team he would go to Girardi and take himself out of the #2 spot.
“So yeah, we would be 2 games worse.”
Nah. Yankees pen has had one save situation since Farnsworth left and Edwar blew it. Thankfully the Halos gave it back.
“If he was a true leader and Captain of the team he would go to Girardi and take himself out of the #2 spot.”
In favor of who??? Who is the hot bat you people want hittng 2nd?
Put Robbie 2nd, it’s been done before, nothing can be worse than Jeter.
A-Rod’s hands were tied in that last at bat. Did you see where Guadardo was pitching him? Way inside so that he couldn’t get his arms extended. Nothing A-Rod can do about that. He can’t hit an inside pitch the other way so he pulled it to third. Sometimes, the pitcher beats you. That was one of those times.
I know it seems like A-Rod doesn’t do anything when he’s up in the big spot, but you know what, neither is anyone else. Heck, the only one who delivered last night was the Big Sexy and the majority of you were complaining that he was even in the game!
As Yankee fans, we are going to have to face facts; this team is flawed, flawed, flawed and there is a REAL chance we don’t make the playoffs this year. I think I can live with that.
I know why derek jeter is hitting into so many doubple plays….he is trying to speed the game up so he can go home and play with the panoramic vista roof in his new edge.
Methinks Washburn cometh in the next few days/weeks. IPK will do well upon his return and Hughes will also return in time to move us into wildcard contention. The struggling rotation has inturn put a strain on the bullpen. Once the rotation is in order, the bp will straighten itself out. It’s not over yet. The pieces are contributing (Xfactor and ever Sexy last night) so now the team knows that it’s crunch time and play better I think. I have faith.
If A-Rod is rally so bad and unclutch then why does he have his own Yankeeography? Only the greatest Yankees ever get their own Yankeeography.
as of right now, Nady is the team MVP(Mo not included) and he’s only been here 2 weeks.
“Put Robbie 2nd, it’s been done before, nothing can be worse than Jeter.”
Cano is 5 for his last 32 and went a stellar 2 for 22 in his 5 game opportunity as the #2 hitter.
“Nady is the team MVP(Mo not included) and he’s only been here 2 weeks.”
The 2 weeks is the reason he is the team MVP. Give it time and people will turn on him to.
This team is really tough to watch at times. I cant believe how bad they struggle against pitchers the rest of the league tees off on. And its been that way for a few years…especailly against rookie left handers with era’s above 5
How can the yankees get out from paying jeter in 2009? That albatross is going to cost us 19M when we would be better off with tony fernandez. time to take out the trash…
Agreed Pat.
“How can the yankees get out from paying jeter in 2009? That albatross is going to cost us 19M when we would be better off with tony fernandez”
I trust you’re equally disenchanted with the $21M due Jeter in 2010?
Don’t get me wrong…this team is not good, but aren’t they only 3.5 out from the Wild Card?
Rebecca is right about the guys in bullpen. Their struggles have direct correllation to the hideous starting pitching. When you need that many innings out of the pen, you can’t work the match ups because you’re constantly in survival mode. They need someone to go 7+ ASAP.
Marte, Mo and Edwar are fully rested for tonight, as is Giese who should stay in his role with Kennedy starting Friday and Chase Wright or Igawa on Saturday.
There are no great solutions here… but it’s a mistake to weaken a beleaguered bullpen by removing the best long man they have.
Fredo- nah, im cool with 2010
“Don’t get me wrong…this team is not good, but aren’t they only 3.5 out from the Wild Card?”
Yeah, but apparently all that matters in deciding a team’s playoff chances is how they looked in last night’s game. If they blow out Texas tonight, then that Wild Card margin will start getting brought up more and more.
I don’t care who bats second, just not Jeter, it could be Robbie, Nady, Molina, Your Mom, Gardner, Christian, Shane Spencer….
I’m not optimist…especially with the way this team has played this year. However, we’ve got to start looking at the Wild Card. That is a race that can be had. It’s as simple as that.
“They need someone to go 7+ ASAP.”
Cue Sidney Ponson falling over drunk after his 35th beer at a cowboy bar in Texas.
there has to be something wrong with Jeter “The Edge!”. No way does this guy just fall off the table like he has in 1 year. He hasn’t been the same since he got hit on the hand back in late May. Maybe that was it but there is no way to tell. His pride and Girardi’s fear to rest or move him are hurting the team.
Pretty simple …
If the Yanks don’t get a break on the mound, they don’t make the playoffs. A break would include:
Kennedy and Hughes come up and do well. Stellar finishes by both wouldn’t be necessary … if they just do as well as what was originally expected from them, the team can overtake Boston for the WC. Stellar would be better of course, but they can’t flop. Pettitte would have to get his act together beginning with his next start.
Hughes OR Kennedy coming up and doing well, Wang OR Joba coming back in September, and Pettitte getting back on track beginning with his next start.
If nothing pans out, nothing’s happening in October. I can live with that finish tis year, as long as we can look back this time next year and see that Joba, Wang, Kennedy & Hughes have been healthy & pitching well for most of ’09.
Moose has far exceeded expectations. Could win 19 this year if he wins 2/3 of his remaining decisions.
Pettitte has to snap out of it and win 2/3 of his remaining decisions.
Ponson has been pretty good most starts, but lit up otherwise. He should win at least 60% of his decisions though.
Rasner is going to be Rasner. Over 5 games he could win 1, lose 2, no decision 2. Not good enough.
So with Wang & Joba potentially down for the season, Kennedy & Hughes coming up to win 60% of their decisions would be imperative. Same goes for the bullpen not gacking when the starters don’t get the decisions.
Honestly, it looks bleak … but I reserve hope with Kennedy & Hughes.
“That albatross is going to cost us 19M when we would be better off with tony fernandezâ€
Are you writing the checks? What is it with fans that refer to the team as “we” or “us”? Are they on the team? Do they take extra pitches so Jeter or Bobby can steal second? Block pitches in the dirt?
I understand loving your team but a little separation might give you some objectivity.
I was just looking at schedules. 25% (12/48) of the Sox remaining games are against Toronto.
every year we go thru the same crap of everybody bashing the yankees- just want to c what all ya lot r gonna say when we are playing come october.
yes girardi sucks
yes jeter and arod are slumping but all players slump-they will get out of it.
Hey everyone. Cheer up! You guys are only 6 games back. The Sox were 5 games back at one point and by the end of the week were in first. There is still a lot of baseball to be played. And while I would love for Joba to be out for the season, there is a very good chance that he’s fine and the trip to Dr. Andrews is just a precaution. No point in worrying over something that may be nothing.
And about the Sox flaws – overall, they’ve been better lately. The bullpen has actually pitched well. Mike Lowell is playing through a lot of pain, but he just recieved an injection so hopefully that will improve his game. Papi has just come off the DL so I think that when he gets his timing back, everything will “click” (except for his wrist!). Other than those guys, the lineup has been hitting the ball better (even Tek). Now if only Clay could avoid those big innings…
May I ask something – how do you guys feel about Giese starting a game? I don’t understand why they would take a very reliable pitcher out of the bullpen when they have already taken Joba out of it.
Red Sox Fan: Right now it’s the best option they have.
Someone needs to do to jeter what cecil fielder to did to parra… seriously. someone needs to knock jeter around a bit; let him know they all know he sucks. im advocating a coordinated, pre-meditated physical assault on jeter by his teamates
man, we could really use godzilla right now….
how do you guys feel about Giese starting a game?
Feel pretty ok about Giese starting. What else can they do..
Joba and HGH?
I need something to take my mind off of Joba being seriously injured and from preventing me from throwing my computer through the television last night.
To me it would seem (I really, really hope) that Joba would not be too seriously injured. He has been and was throwing fine two nights ago. He had good velocity on his last pitch. He didn’t look to be in pain. He did not in fact look overly upset.
Now on to the hypothetical question, which was ironic watching Pettite last night. If Joba has some injury that will prevent him from pitching and or reaching his level of success (already achieved this year) that can be healed by HGH would:
1) you as a fan be OK with that
2) you as Joba do that
I know this is not a PC discussion. But if you are Joba, and clearly can be one of the elite pitchers in all of baseball, would you take this course of action as it could potentially bring you tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in your career. As a fan, if you had the choice of no Joba, a greatly reduced Joba, or an elite (HGH enhanced Joba) what do you decide?
Hopefully, this point is moot and Joba, even if he is out all year can return to full strength by next year. But where is the moral or ethical line?
Rebecca – Is there no one in the minors?
RSF-
No problem here with giving Geise a shot at starting. Expectations for a guy like him are not to fill Joba’s or Wang’s shoes, just to do well enough to give the team a shot at winning each time out.
Geise should have better luck than Chase Wright, the guy who gave up 4 bombs in a row at Fenway last year. Wright was just about right for AAA ball when he ‘got his shot’ but there really weren’t too many options out there at the time.
As for Joba … if it were a choice one could accurately forsee, sacrificing the rest of this season for the sake of ’09 and the next 10+ years would be the wise decision.
As for the regulars, every regular player on every team has aches by this time of year. Most of the bench guys too.
Doris, you’re an idiot. You want the Captain, the single most important part of four World Championship teams, knocked around because he’s batting .280. Whether or not he should be in the two hole is a question worth asking, but the speed with which some of you forget what he has given us over the course of his career is sickening.
Hate to be a rain cloud here, but the injuries to Joba and Hughes have larger implications than just missing this postseason. Because of injury-shortened seasons, neither Joba or Hughes will get in enough innings to start full seasons NEXT year.
Resigning Moose and Pettitte, and getting CC, are musts if the Yanks intend to go anywhere in 2009.
Cue Tom Petty “Free-Fallin”
I can see the headlines after the season how Jeter played the whole year with a broken hand or something like that, good god hes has been really bad
Arod for another 12 years, Jesus Christ on a stick, they gave him 300 million dollars….good lord…
Its a bad mix right now and while Ive been firmly in his corner, Girardi pinch running Irod while pinch hitting smelky was arguably the dumbest move all year at a time where one can ill afford dumb moves
It is what it is, when the stoppoer is Sidney, its just not our year
This team clearly lacks energy. On a game by game situation, it’s rarely seen. In the last 2 years there was always a burst of winning provided by 2 or 3 players carrying the team. Not the case this year. Very lackluster.
Red Sox – There are a few minor league options i.e. Kennedy, Aceves, Igawa, Hughes, pavano. However, there are some issues with all of them.
The decision was made before Joba went down the other day. So, therefore it may have been a one or two start stopgap. Now, with Joba likely to miss extended time, it is a different animal.
I think you still need a stopgap but it will ultimately come down to Kennedy and Hughes being back in the rotation by the end of August.
Much will also depend on if the Yankees can start winning again. If, by the end of the trip, they are in much worse shape than today, perhaps you are less aggressive and less willing to sacrifice Kennedy and Hughes’ development.
“sorry but ………….
August 6th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Calling A-Rod clutch is like calling Fidel Castro a great leader”
yes. And calling arod the best player in the game, is like marxism. Tell a lie often enough, and it becomes the truth.
i was reading the preceding post from Pete….now is when this team realizes they’re in trouble? you sort of wish this epiphany would occur to them every year…..during the first half of the season.
to get away from the whole Joba thing, which has me so depressed i didn’t even watch the game until the 9th inning last night (no one on my DVRed “Next Food Network Star” finale needs to see Dr. Andrews!), if they’d played with some intensity during the first half of the season the past two years, maybe this team would be in better shape to absorb some blows this late. call me crazy.
Red Sox Fan, there is Ian Kennedy who seems to be likely to be Saturday’s starter (or maybe Friday’s, honestly this could change in a day if Ponson or Mussina get bombed either of the next two nights). It seems like Rasner they are backing away from due to a combination of his demotion and having a blood blister on his finger.
Beyond that, Hughes is 2 more minor league starts away. Aceves hasn’t excelled at AAA and they’re nursing him back from injury. Chase Wright is probably the next one in line for a call after Kennedy. Igawa, he’s a nightmare and I don’t think Cashman is going to turn to him again this year.
When Wang went down it took a lot out of this team. They’ve never really rebounded from his loss. One 8-game charge after the ASB and …. poof.
russelfromva- its not that we don’t appreciate what jeter’s done- it’s about what is best for the team at the present moment-jeter should be moved for a couple games either to get protected by a-rod or maybe just being in a low-pressure-spot- it will bring his confidence back and than u move him right back.
cause if we get caught up in what people have done in previous years lets bring back berra and reggie.
Jason -
that really is a murkey question. read “Steroid Nation.” all i have to say is that the book may cloud your mind even more on supposed PEDs.
If I was Joba, yeah, maybe, but I’m not him, and I certainly don’t want him to be me.
i meant “murky.” no idea what “murkey” means. maybe i’m just hungry.
“Arod for another 12 years, Jesus Christ on a stick, they gave him 300 million dollars….good lord”
don’t use the Lord’s name in vain. He had nothing to do with it. It was an ignorant contract when it was signed, and it still is.
Sure, I’m sick of him GIDP too. But for someone who pretends to be a Yankee fan to soberly advocate kicking Jeter’s ass because of his lackluster play is retarded. Drop him in the lineup, rest him a game or three, send a message (although with Alberto Gonzalez gone is there really someone we trust at short?). Start looking at how we may use him in the next couple years to get the most out of his remaining talents. But for a lot of us the four rings he gave us are the only ones in our conscious memory and we can’t forget them because he’s not batting .315 this year.
Ansky – Ahh I rememer Wright very well. At least the chances of giving up four HRs in a row again are pretty much zero! Seriously though, in the latest Yankee games I’ve seen, the bullpen has not been very good. Who would eat up those innings when the starter gets pulled early?
And I agree that, worst comes to worst, Joba will just be shut down. Same thing happened to Papelbon in 2006. There was not a good chance for the post-season for the Sox. They would much rather have the health of Pap for the next few years than stress his shoulder.
The Yankees are DOOOOOOOMED!! They are DOOOOOOMEED I say!
Man you all need to lighten up, there is plenty of time left. The bullpen is going through a rough patch, they aren’t going to be perfect every time out. The starters need to step up and I think they are capable of doing so. Pettitte had two bad starts, I expect him to be better next time out. Moose is great still. I expect Kennedy to help the team and Hughes is getting close. I’m optimistic about Joba, the quote from his father is encouraging.
Red Sox fan: Originally, the idea was for Giese and Rasner to simply switch places.
That was before joba got hurt.
Jorge – I am with you. It has got to be tremendously tempting. Having dedicated yourself to a craft for so long and then having it taken away from you in an instant must be a terrible feeling. Further, you would potentially give yourself the opportunity to create wealth for yourself, your family, your future family, and in Joba’s case you ethnic community.
If someone like Pettite was tempted, it makes you think about who else was/will be.
Again, I am hoping for good news. Even if it means no Joba for the rest of the year. I don’t hold out too much hope for this season anyway. Yes I know we are only a few in the loss column back etc, but there is just no consistency or clutch from this team. My only fear is this is career impacting.
Oh ok, I did not realize Rasner was taking his place. Hmm that’s an interesting move. I don’t know that if I was rooting for the Yanks that I would want Rasner in the bullpen. He doesn’t seem to do well in high-stress situations.
Jason
Only if HGH can be legitimately given to heal an injury should it be considered. Given by a doctor under legal conditions, it should be alright for anyone to receive it for treatment for an injury if it’s the right treatment for that injury. At least ‘officially’ it is. Now if it’s banned and illegal to receive it under any circumstances, then of course it shouldn’t be used.
Going through the trainer to get it when he should have gotten the treatment legally from a doctor is what Pettitte’s mistake was. And that’s assuming a doctor would have prescribed it for his elbow injury.
So as far as I know if a doctor prescribes it to heal a torn muscle or something like that in a pitcher’s shoulder (and it doesn’t get abused so he’s ‘enhanced’ as some would say) it should be OK. An injection or two strictly to heal a tear wouldn’t make Joba better pitcher than he normally would have been, like a healthy guy using it on a weekly monthly basis would.
“Hate to be a rain cloud here, but the injuries to Joba and Hughes have larger implications than just missing this postseason. Because of injury-shortened seasons, neither Joba or Hughes will get in enough innings to start full seasons NEXT year.
Resigning Moose and Pettitte, and getting CC, are musts if the Yanks intend to go anywhere in 2009.”
RSM-
Joba wasn’t going to be able to go a full season next year anyways. He was just trying to bump up his innings this season for that hopeful full 2010 season.
“Arod for another 12 years”
Currently in 2008, signed thru 2017. You do the math.
You can rail against what you’d like him to be for the next 9 (not 12) years or you can accept what you have, warts and all. If being miserable for almost a decade floats your boat, go for it.
Andrew, I don’t believe we’ll see Igawa either. I think Cashman will let him continue to dominate AAA, rather than further expose him as a failure at the major league level. That way he may build some trade value.
As for the Arod bashers, we have him for NINE more seasons, not twelve. He signed a new 10 year deal in the offseason last year.
Alex is not the Yankees problem. The pitching staff is reeling. They have only two of the original starters (Moose and Pettitte) and none of the “kids”. Amazing how only the veteran’s have held up. Kennedy may start this weekend but showed nothing when he was up here before his injury and the Yankees seem reluctant to bring him up.
The bullpen is overworked as well.
And with Joba, Hughes and Kennedy pitching so few innings this season it will impact on next season and the need for veterans. Can you say CC Sabathia?
jesus christ jeter sucks
what is it about kennedy that’s making them hesitate to start him here? his last 4 starts have been excellent. has anybody heard a scouting report on how he’s throwing now as opposed to the start of the season?
This one’s for Pete.
Top 5 Bruce Springsteen song titles that describe the Yankee’s season so far.
1. I’m Goin Down
2. One Step Up (Two Steps Back)
3. Countin’ on a Miracle
4. Dead Man Walkin’
5. My Best Was Never Good Enough
Worst 5 Songs
1. Born to Run
2. I’m on Fire
3. No Surrender
4. The Rising
5. Glory Days
RSM
They bash him but give him a 3 year extension. Go figure.
Bay looks like a pretty good player, but I honestly think the Red Sox made a mistake in getting rid of Manny. Reggie Jackson was a jerk, but he was a jerk who came up with big hits when it counted. Most teams would rather have talent than chemistry.
“what is it about kennedy that’s making them hesitate to start him here? his last 4 starts have been excellent. has anybody heard a scouting report on how he’s throwing now as opposed to the start of the season?”
There are about a million different scenarios that people on this board will propose to explain why they haven’t promoted IPK. Some include: the organization is angry at him; they think his velocity is still down and/or he’s not back to the level of performance he was at last season; Joe Girardi hates him; he’s simply not major league ready due to his attitude/make-up; he doesn’t have a third pitch since his curveball was garbage, although apparently Rafael Chavez has worked on that with him.
So, take your pick out of that, and perhaps people will chime in with others along the lines of “he’s simply not that good”, or “he stinks”, or something along those lines.
Dont Get CC!!! Brewers are running him into the GROUND then he will be next to Pavano!!! 3 complete games a no decision with 140 pitches… we need quality arms dont belive that HYPE yankee fans!
JD’s Beard (what?) – I couldn’t have been happier to see Manny go. Here’s why:
- Who has better defense? Bay
- Who will run out groundballs? Bay
- Who is the better baserunner? Bay
- Who will not fake injuries? Bay
- Who can the team count on to go out there and give his all? Bay
Or we can put it this way: if Pavano was guaranteed to pitch well in the big leagues, would the Yankees want him in their clubhouse?
awesome: nyy really have no choice. They have to sign CC, in the off-season.
at the beginning of the year, i would’ve said no, however.
August 6th, 2008 at 11:03 am
“Bay looks like a pretty good player, but I honestly think the Red Sox made a mistake in getting rid of Manny.”
We will agree to disagree on this one. I don’t hear anyone saying that Bay will be as good as Manny but he has been good. Even an upgrade in left field.
You can say that chemistry is overated, but in the last few games that Manny was playing with the Sox they were definitely playing flat and making more errors than they had in any other games.
Something had to be done because Manny had lost the trust and confidence of even his fellow players.
Wow, losing sure does bring out the stupid in some people.
Hopefully this team will find a way to get on track.
If not, oy.
I rather See Manny At least he will hit in the Clutch compared to AROD! he is focus on Madonna.. Aint she like 20 yrs older than AROD? is it really religion or some good home cooked meals **wink**
Oh…and what makes ANYONE think that we WON’T make this Texax slob of a pitcher with an ERA of over 10 look like a world beater tonight ?
Here comes the A-rod and Jeter bashers, all I can say to you bashers “YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS BASEBALL” plain and simple. Please keep the bashing comments to yourselves as i can see 1 month down the line A-Rod is the Man and Captain Clutch!!!
whether 10 or 12 year, point being they bid against themselves for that kind of money, wow, thatsreally ridiculous
As for JC on a Stick being the lords name in vain, in the words of the immortal sargent hulka, Lighten Up Frances
We are in big trouble, another rookie with a 1000 ERA pitching against us tonight, and tomorrow we can expect mussina to get bombed, you can’t expect him to win every start,
Petite has been a huge disappointment lately, maybe his tank is emptying or he has elbow issues again. Who knows!
The offense is son inconsistent, jeter is in a slump arod can’t make contact when someone is on base, abreu is taking so many strike 3’s, damon is hitting with no power, cano melky and Molina are making out on the 1st pitch.
The starting rotation is in deep s***t, let’s hope joba misses only 1-2 starts, ponson stinks, rasner stinks, petite shaky, mussina you can’t be more happy than this but he is not a #1 starter.
Bottom line is, they should cut the paychecks when someone doesn’t perform it’s not fair getting paid on previous success.
ill be going to trenton tomorrow to check in on austin jackson, ramiro pena, and thier new catcher cervelli.
o yeah and the return of the one of the thunder’s all-time greatest carl pavano (1996 EL Pitcher of the year for the red sox affiliate), assuming he arrives at the ballpark safely…
Explain please how the Yankees keep going up against young pitchers with really high ERAs, and basically shut them down. There is no excuse for this. NONE!!!! This isnt Nolan Ryan pitching here.
Awesome – Do you remember that Yankee game, Mo vs. Manny. And Manny did not swing at a single pitch? The guy can only get clutch hits if he tries.
If Bay and the team continue to play well, they won’t need as many clutch hits.
Though, I agree that point on A-Rod. Solo homers are fun, but I’d rather have an single with the bases loaded.
Here’s hoping for the best for Joba. As a fan, you root for the team and want to see them go far, win a championship, etc.
But what really matters here is Joba’s health. He is carving a career—what has shown absolute promise to be a brilliant one—around that arm. And the health of his shoulder is key. I won’t tempt fate by even alluding to the worst case scenario, but how many young pitchers have blazed up here, nly to go down with injury in their career and never be heard from again?
I hope this is just muscular, that the Yankees are brave enough to shut down Joba’s season and be super cautious with an arm that’s already experienced injury.
Yanks: 6 1/2 games out of first, 6 1/2 games out of last. This season has been quite the roller coaster. Sometimes thrilling, sometimes queasy-feeling. The only thing I’m 100% certain of is that no one here knows how it’ll end. Can we finish in last place: As Obama might say — Yes we can! Can we win the World Series — Well, yes we can! Can we finish right where we are — a lame, kiss-your-sister third place? Sure. No one knows. Which, of course, is why we’ll all stay tuned.
red sox fan please go away. I have a novel idea go to a red sux blog.. This is a Yankee blog.. I do not want to hear about jason bay and your red sux crap.. really leave.. It is like me going to a PETA blog and talking about hunting, why the hell would I do it unless I wanted attention..
BTW any idiot that thinks jason bay can carry manny(he is a total jerk I know) jock strap is part of red sux moron nation. 1 thing I am amazed by is all sux fans drink the same koolaid after all they are all pasty, over weight white guys, who talk funny, anyway…
Rox fan.
Manny is manny, he wants to play back home in the BRONX baby.. he didnt want to hurt is “rival” yanks
Know what’s funny? In a year from now, A-Rod is gonna be putting up some mind bogglingly sick MVP numbers, then all of a sudden everybody will love him and this blog will collectively sing his praises on a daily basis.
You can’t expect him to have his best season every year. And while I know we all expect better AB’s from him with men on, it’s hardly an individual woe. The whole team is failing in this situation. Particularly Giambi and his failure is really costing A-Rod.
I know we’re all frustrated but I just can’t get over some of the fickleness. Complaining about how we’re “stuck” with the best player in the game for the next 9 years. Until he has another MVP season, then the very same people will be thrilled to be “stuck” with him!
why dont the yankees just gang up on jeter and start a fight? he needs to be taken down a peg or two… someone needs to knock him around
why the Yanks players never charge the mound? are they paid also not to fight when they get hit by pitches? maybe that will make them hit as a team, like last year in Toronto when they hit AROD after the “ha” call, i heard him say “mine” but anyway that made them play together.. i think arod should have charge the mound last night after being hit twice..
Doris, I think you really need to get help. You truly are one sick person.
I don’t know about you folks, but I’ve always been curious just who Dr. James Andrews is. Seems he’s been around forever but he’s only in his early 60s.
http://www.andrewscenters.com/.....me=andrews
Out of curiousity, since when has there ever been an ace that threw 87 mph and still manages to dominate a lineup almost every time he goes out there.
On the other hand, do you remember that playoff game in Oakland when Zito was in his prime and none of the Sox players could touch him until Manny hit a 3-run bomb? I’ll wait and see, but I think there will come a time when the Sox are up against a really good pitcher and they need an AB from someone who can hit a good pitcher’s best pitch. When his head’s in the game, there is no better hitter in baseball than Manny Ramirez, and that includes Pujols and A-Rod. I question giving up such a talent, that’s all.
“Yeah, the Yanks have had a ton of issues… but all this “We stinkâ€, “We suckâ€, “$ 200 Million embarrassment†stuff sounds like a bunch of middle schoolers. Use a brain cell in your next post, ok?
Um… but they do stink, suck, and they are a $200 million dollar embarassment. Hopefully someone will fix the garbage. Next season Melky has to go. But there is no doubt we would be in MUCH better shape if it wasn’t for all the injuries. The season is all but over.
“ill be going to trenton tomorrow to check in on austin jackson, ramiro pena, and thier new catcher cervelli.
o yeah and the return of the one of the thunder’s all-time greatest carl pavano (1996 EL Pitcher of the year for the red sox affiliate)”
Haha, the hero returns to Waterfront Park…at least his number isn’t retired there. Go Thunder!
I didn’t know Cervelli was up there, is that recent? What happened to PJ Pilittere (sp) did he get promoted to AAA?
kellerman/kenney, funny today. Per Dr James Andrews.
“why is anyone, who is the best at something, in birmingham alabama??”
lol
Dr James Andrews is actually Kim Jones’ uncle… true story
This is not a bashing comment. It is a statement of pure fact. Derek Jeter is killing the Yankees this season. Plain and simple. Doesn’t mean he’s not a good person. Doesn’t mean he’s not a good teammate. Doesn’t mean he isn’t trying. It means just what it says. He is killing the Yankees this season. He is 40-60 points lower than his last two seasons.
I agree that he should be moved out of the 2 hole, and I agree that he should go and offer that solution to Girardi if he has not already. Here’s the difficulty with having him where he is. You depend on your 3-4-5 to bring people home. If your 2 has already erased baserunners time and time and time again, there is nobody to bring home. In addition, there are two outs. He has killed the Yankees this season, pure and simple.
People could never figure out how players voted him the most overrated player in the majors yet named him as one of the top two people they would want to built their team around. That one is a no brainer if you look at Derek Jeter in general and look at him this season. He is dreadful at the plate (overrated) but definitely works hard and runs out every GIDP (build your team around him).
Baby steps. Everything you do to improve the team not only helps but is hugely necessary at this point in the season.
Hard worker, great person, dedicated to the game, stinks at the plate. He’s killing us in the two hole. Pure and simple.
Rox fan.
Manny is manny, he wants to play back home in the BRONX baby.. he didnt want to hurt is “rival†yanks
You must think we’re all dumb here or that none of us know Manny’s friends, the last place he wants to play is NY. He never, EVER, EVER , EVVVVVVVVVER was Yankees fan. Don’t lie to this blog man, be a good poster but don’t lie here.
both francisco and pj are on the roster
“jesus christ jeter sucks”
Yea – maybe because of his broken hand though so I won’t kill him for it.
The good thing about this year is that even though we didn’t become sellers at the trade deadline and get rid of dead weight, we did acquire some players that will help us next year (Nady, Marte, Pudge). With Pudge and Posada, we have a solid two years behind the plate while they can alternate at 1B. Don’t need to sign Tex and we can go get ourself a big-name pitcher to compliment Joba, Wang, Pettitte, Moose, Hughes, IPK, whoever. We are in good position for the future… lets just hope the Yanks aren’t dumb and think its worth it to bring Joba back and half-strength when it doesn’t even look like the team is going to win WITH him. I really miss Wang =(
“Know what’s funny? In a year from now, A-Rod is gonna be putting up some mind bogglingly sick MVP numbers, then all of a sudden everybody will love him and this blog will collectively sing his praises on a daily basis.
You can’t expect him to have his best season every year. And while I know we all expect better AB’s from him with men on, it’s hardly an individual woe. The whole team is failing in this situation. Particularly Giambi and his failure is really costing A-Rod.
I know we’re all frustrated but I just can’t get over some of the fickleness. Complaining about how we’re “stuck†with the best player in the game for the next 9 years. Until he has another MVP season, then the very same people will be thrilled to be “stuck†with him!”
Couldn’t agree more.
I think Dr. Andrews’ Birmingham locale is a big part of why his name strikes fear into my heart every time I hear it. It’s so off the beaten path that I wonder if he keeps a dark basement room full of ancient torture devices there – otherwise, what reason is there to not just have an office in the city like a normal person!
“On the other hand, do you remember that playoff game in Oakland when Zito was in his prime and none of the Sox players could touch him until Manny hit a 3-run bomb?”
Yeah I remember that game. What sticks out in my mind is the point right after he hit the ball, when Manny pulled the garbage where he stood at home for about 15 minutes, pointed into his dugout and raised his arms above his head and did who knows what else as he walked around the bases. I won’t miss seeing that for the rest of this year, at least, although he undoubtedly will be back in the AL somewhere next year.
GIRARDI SUCKS!
“i think arod should have charge the mound last night after being hit twice..”
Valid point if you think Betemit could help the team more than A-Rod while he is out serving a 3 day suspension.
Awesome
August 6th, 2008 at 11:32 am
why the Yanks players never charge the mound? are they paid also not to fight when they get hit by pitches? maybe that will make them hit as a team, like last year in Toronto when they hit AROD after the “ha†call, i heard him say “mine†but anyway that made them play together.. i think arod should have charge the mound last night after being hit twice..
Because Bob Gibson is already set to suspend them, but I agree last night had that been me in Alex’s cleats I would have kicked CJ Wilson’s ass no question about it.
Bronx Jeers,
Your negativity will not affect us.
Great Springsteen references, though. You even threw in a The Ghost of Tom Joad song, very impressive.
Speaking of The Ghost of Tom Joad, check out my blog for a fantastic Springsteen clip.
http://www.claybuchholzloveslaptops.blogspot.com
“Doctor Andrews and his wife, Jenelle have six children, Andy, Amy, Archie, Ashley, Amber, Abby and three grandchildren. ”
I wonder if Kady, Koby, Kory, and Kacy get to play with Andy, Amy, Archie, Ashley, Amber, and Abby when Roger goes to Doctor Andrews…
Brandon,
I don’t think that quote is from Rox fan, but from Awesome.
Awesome BTW if your wondering yes I was born and raised in Washington Heights so when you talk about our ballplayers and lie I take it serious.
Brandon,
I don’t think that quote is from Rox fan, but from Awesome.
I know it was Awesome.
“It’s so off the beaten path that I wonder if he keeps a dark basement room full of ancient torture devices there – otherwise, what reason is there to not just have an office in the city like a normal person!”
lol – I’d prefer to think that Andrew’s office being in the heart of the Bible Belt generates some positive vibes. There are 285 million Americans who don’t live in NYC for some reason.
Wild Card!!!!!!!!
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
AROD JUST CAME BACK TO US AND DUMPED BORAS AND SIGNED A 300 MILLION DOLLAR 10 YEAR DEAL. WHAT A STEAL. ZOMG. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
EVERYBODY CHEER!!!!
“You must think we’re all dumb here or that none of us know Manny’s friends, the last place he wants to play is NY. He never, EVER, EVER , EVVVVVVVVVER was Yankees fan. Don’t lie to this blog man, be a good poster but don’t lie here”
: )
would your homeboy play for the mets?
What the hell is Max doing ?
Blah Blah Blah.
Kennedy and Hughes should return to the rotation to finish out the season and (re)get their major league starter feet wet. If they do well, terrific; if they don’t, then it’s good practice for next year when the Yanks will put forth a Joba/Wang/Hughes/?Pettite?Kennedy?/Sabathia 100-win postseason worthy starting 5. Hard to believe both potential #1′s are completely out of the rotation (for now) but unfortunately there’s not much to be done about it.
I can see why everybody’s ponderously P.O.’d – let’s be thankful they’ve actually still got a shot for a wildcard slot and take each game at a time.
Best case scenario? Hughes and Kennedy come back and pitch lights out ’til the end of the year and you folks quit b*tchin’ and get a freakin’ life awready.
“lol – I’d prefer to think that Andrew’s office being in the heart of the Bible Belt generates some positive vibes. There are 285 million Americans who don’t live in NYC for some reason”
lol. There is such thing as middle ground, tho
Manny will go anywhere that offers him a ridiculous contract. That includes the Toledo Mudhens
I really miss the old days when on a day like today George would issue some “Get off your butts and start playing like men!” type of rah rah speech. At the very least we would feel like somebody’s doing something. These guys play like they’re afraid to ruin their manicures.
“I really miss the old days when on a day like today George would issue some “Get off your butts and start playing like men!†type of rah rah speech.”
You are right, and it always did work because those guys realized that if they wanted to play for the Yankees and the owner screeched they had better start producing. They knew that George was just crazy enough to shorten their lives.
I always loved the feisty George.
It is comical that anyone can’t see that a team that goes 8-0, then 3-7 and is about to lose a series to a Rangers team that is BEGGING to be beat down, is a team headed NOWHERE. With all the talent on this team ( if they actually PLAYED like a team ) we should be in 1st place right now ( even WITH the injuries ) Girardi needs to be fired and we need a Lou Pinella type IN YOUR FACE manager…no matter WHAT the overpriced players want….SCR*W THEM ! They are being paid WAY TO MUCH to play a game AND to actually PLAY it well…and they are NOT….If they don’t like being yelled at….let them approve a trade to the Padres, where losing is accepted as the next wave to hit the beach.
Bronx Jeers,
I actually thought Girardi would bring that type of forcefulness with him, but it doesn’t seem to have materialized. To be honest, I think he’s got a lot of primadonnas that will react negatively to any type of criticism or challenge.
“lol. There is such thing as middle ground, tho”
South Jersey?
CJ Wilson was put on the DL immediately following last nights game. If A-Rod had charged the mound last night, ESPN this morning would be saying A-Rod injured Wilson and ended his season. The bone chips in his elbow would have had nothing to do with it.
do you think casey close cringes every time he watches his client hit into a rally killing double play or commit an error and then the next commercial is for the ford edge?
would your homeboy play for the mets?
He would but he doesn’t want to.
“TKinDC
August 6th, 2008 at 11:53 am
“lol. There is such thing as middle ground, thoâ€
South Jersey?”
I lived in the south, most of my life. Yes, would have to take south jersey. Or anywhere in the northeast, for that matter.
: )
Manny will go anywhere that offers him a ridiculous contract. That includes the Toledo Mudhens
Manny has a home in DR w/ his family and in Miami, FL… he sure as hell is not trying to live in NY or go through the distractions he would if he were to consider either NY team. He actually wanted to go to FL or Philly. I expect him in Philly next season when Pat Burrell leaves because he has a connection w/ Charlie Manuel.
Bronx Jeers – You are right on. Was actually thinking last night we need some pronouncement/edict/declaration from Hank. Haven’t heard from him in a bit.
Do we have any timetable on Joba news? I would guess a bit before gametime like last night.
Previous poster was right. None of the moves made at the deadline hurt the Yankees next year. In fact several are positive. In my mind the only potential harm the Yankees could have done themselves is with Tabata. But that is probably a 2010 scenario and by then who knows who is on this team and who is close to being on the team from the farm.
so you guys really think jeter even cares? he won his rings already. he knows he sucks and he knows that idit yankee fans will give him a free pass for life. all he really cares about is getting a good table at the club after the game
This team has only one serious problem. They don’t get on base enough. All the other problems look a lot smaller if they got on base more. That’s partly a result of injuries, esp. to Matsui and Posada, partly a result of Jeter having a down year, and partly because Cano and Melky have been simply awful.
There’s not a whole lot that can be done about it at this point. They’ve brought in some new guys who can help. But unless the bottom of the order has a OPS well above .300 it’s going to be very difficult to generate the kind of offensive consistency, all the other flaws — clutch hitting, bullpen depth, bench help, and now losing their two top starters — are going to be very difficult to overcome. If Cano and Melky hit the way they did even last year, the team has a good chance at the wild card. But if they play the last 50 games the way they’ve played so far this year, the team won’t be consistent enough to make the playoffs.
Brandon – Your thoughts on Matt Carson. He is having himself a very nice season. I remember reading he hit a monster homerun in spring training that may have hit Cashman’s car or something. He also apparently has one of the best outfield arms in the minors.
He will need to be put on the 40 man. But if he can hit for decent average (and he is at 300 in the minors), has power, has a gun for an arm why would he not be a better option than Christian or Gardner who are mostly (at this point in time) just speed guys.
AROD AROD AROD!
so you guys really think jeter even cares? he won his rings already. he knows he sucks and he knows that idit yankee fans will give him a free pass for life. all he really cares about is getting a good table at the club after the game
I’ve been thinking that too. I mean he already has 4, he knows trust me he knows he’s underperformed this season and that his skills are starting to decline. The excess commercials EDGE, FORD you name it he has the signs of an MLB player getting ready for life after baseball.
I think what is consuming Jeter is being the all-time hit leader at retirement time.
Brandon – Your thoughts on Matt Carson. He is having himself a very nice season. I remember reading he hit a monster homerun in spring training that may have hit Cashman’s car or something. He also apparently has one of the best outfield arms in the minors.
Organizational guy, sort of like a Shelley Duncan/Jeff Franceour, what surprised the hell out of me is the ground he can cover in CF, his arm is very good, but his range in CF and all OF positions are more than viable. SJ, Fredo or Whozat can tell you more about him.
“he has the signs of an MLB player getting ready for life after baseball.”
Longevity brings endorsements but he has stepped up the number of them this year with Gillette, the new Jeter Fitness Centers and buying into WePlay. He’s become the baseball spokesmodel version of Peyton Manning.
At this point last year the Yankees were 5 games out in the division behind the Red Sox. Right now they’re 6.5 out but only 3.5 behind the Sox. I mean honestly does anyone think Tampa is gonna last? As long as they can get ahead of the Sox they’re fine. 3.5 games is not insurmountable by any stretch of the imagination. The Yankees just need to get on a roll and they need to start today.
Addressing a couple comments way up re: HGH
ANSKY & Jason,
Any doctor on the level in the USA will not give a millionaire baseball player a prescription for HGH to heal an injury under ANY circumstances. Any of these players the last two years (Ankiel, David Segui, etc) who claim they had a prescription, those prescriptions were bogus. If you noticed, all those doctors in Fla. who were doing it either had already lost their licenses, or lost them soon after. A quick fix for guys in their 20s and 30s is not one of the approved uses by the FDA.
So … regardless of what you think of HGH helping or not, legally, there is NO WAY for Joba, Pettitte or anyone else in MLB to get it prescribed by a doctor legally in the U.S.
Longevity brings endorsements but he has stepped up the number of them this year with Gillette, the new Jeter Fitness Centers and buying into WePlay. He’s become the baseball spokesmodel version of Peyton Manning.
I hope not I hate Peyton Manning. But that’s a question unanswered I think right now in that Yankees locker room baseball is a priority for probably 5 or 6 guys and I doubt one of them is Arod or Jeter. You can see it w/ Bobby, w/ Sexson unfortunately he strikes out too much, w/ Christian, w/ Pudge, w/ Pettitte and Moose and everyone in that BP, but 2 players I don’t see it w/ are Jeter and Arod.
Alex B,
I think Tampa will last. We’ve been waiting for them to drop off for a couple of months now, and they haven’t. I think the Wild Card is where our hopes lie.
I’d question whether Cano/Cabrera are as focused as they could be too, Brandon.
I’d question whether Cano/Cabrera are as focused as they could be too, Brandon.
Robi cares, his problem is he doesn’t let it come to him. You have to care to be taking All Star Week to take a flight to DR and work on your swing through BP w/ your dad. He has improved his range big time in the infield, one of the best defensive 2B in the AL. Melky …..
I think this kid thinks he the sh.. and is trying to be what he isn’t. Even O’neill hit on it the other day, that little rascal thinks he’s Manny Ramirez and is probably why he’s popping out and hit high flyouts.
“do you think casey close cringes every time he watches his client hit into a rally killing double play or commit an error and then the next commercial is for the ford edge?”
I know I do! I can’t even begin to say how much I loathe those commercials. Does Jeter(The Edge!)have any idea how often they’re run. He looks ridiculous. Yanks have all these silly rules regarding so called “professionalism” yet no one has a problem selling themselves out to the highest bidder. Jeter’s the worst of them.
“This team has only one serious problem. They don’t get on base enough. All the other problems look a lot smaller if they got on base more.”
The Yankees are 5th in the Majors, 3rd in the AL, in OBP.
Try again?
jeter isnt a 1/4 the baseball player that manning is football player
We have all seen this in our daily lives. Some people take on high pressure stressful jobs because they love it and the situation it is. Some of us dont like that kind of pressure, can adequately do our jobs, but don`t like stress. Everyone is different, although all have skills in certain areas. Thats how I see Arod, he is going to be the greatest player of all time when he is done, and the greatest Yankee of all time as well, as I am sure he`ll beat Bonds and anyone else with his career numbers. Problem is you cannot have everything. He is not, and has shown difficulty in pressure spots. Its not a knock, it is what it is. I have been a fan for 60 years, I have seen alot of baseball. In that 60 years of being a fan I cannot recall any other (best player in the game at a specific time) be so uninvolved in his teams success. I cant remember one player who impacts the actually winning of the game (at the crucial time) so infrequently as Arod. I know there is a stat (late and close) but that deceiving at times too.
I don`t look at him in a bad light because of this, I just think the Yankees should see this and deal with it. I`m sure Arod is not happy about this tag either. The simpliest thing to do is move him out of fourth. Either 2nd or fifth. Do that bat him fourth for his ego? He`d be better suited for 2nd as he has stolen bases, runs smartly, and when he wants to he can hit the ball the other way. Hed get up in the first inning of every game, and batting fourth or “cleanup” only happens once a game anyway.
I love how every random idiot has been a Yankees’ fan for 50-60 years.
Admit it, you’re in your teens.
jeter isnt a 1/4 the baseball player that manning is football player
He was clutch. keyword:WAS
to someone else
What an indulting thing to say. How do you know how old I am, and what does it matter? I`m actually 68 and I can post anything I want to post.
“baseball is a priority for probably 5 or 6 guys and I doubt one of them is Arod or Jeter. You can see it w/ Bobby, w/ Sexson unfortunately he strikes out too much, w/ Christian, w/ Pudge, w/ Pettitte and Moose and everyone in that BP, but 2 players I don’t see it w/ are Jeter and Arod.”
I think A-Rod is just a headcase, plain and simple. The guy seems certifiably nutso, with whatever diagnosis you can come up with most likely plausible. He cares too much, he’s distracted by this or that, he tries too hard, he doesn’t feel comfortable in Texas, he didn’t have a good experience with his Dallas-Fort Worth area stripper/girlfriend, whatever. He’s beyond comprehension, I think. The bottom line, though, is that the feeling of “oh man I can’t wait to see what A-Rod is going to do tonight!” has not really been around this year, except maybe for the stretch when he came back from the DL and was red hot and homered in a few games in a row.
All of that, though, doesn’t make me question him caring about the team and the game. I think he does, but I think he is completely incapable of handling his mental and emotional faculties like a sane person.
insulting
I WISH TONY FERNANDEZ WAS STILL OUR SHORTSTOP!!! HE LOOKED IN SHAPE AT OLD TIMERS DAY!!!
ah….Jeter-bashing. about as bad as still believing Czechoslovakia is still a country.
question his method of showing it….don’t question his desire to win.
ridiculous.
Desperate times call for desperate measures:
Paging Shawn Chacon… paging Shawn Chacon…
damon, arod, abreu, nady, cano, jeter, giambi, irod, cf.
I think its a bit much discussing who cares and who doesnt. I think its not fair to the ballplayer to try to assume by body language or performance what degree a player cares. I think pointing at Robby is not fair, hes not the best hitter on this team, he is a complimenary player, and recently hes doing his job. Defensively he has been fine. nobody would want someone to come to their job, watch them work, then say they dont care based on just watching
“to someone else
What an indulting thing to say. How do you know how old I am, and what does it matter? I`m actually 68 and I can post anything I want to post.”
I beg your pardon, but I have to call bull$$**.
I was at the Stadium with my 11-year-old son the night before Michael Cody went with his family. Life is so random. A terrible story. Thanks for linking to it though Pete out of respect for the boy’s memory. It’s a good reminder how fortunate we are. RIP and prayers to his grieving family.
“I think Tampa will last. We’ve been waiting for them to drop off for a couple of months now, and they haven’t.”
Doesn’t Tampa have a tough schedule in the month of September – it could come down to the wire for them.
This place is for everyone to post, regardless of how long they’ve been a Yankee fan, and regardless of how much/how little they even know about baseball.
I come here to air-out my disappointment with this team, as my girlfriend hates baseball and has no clue why i freak out when the Yanks lose.
Others come here for other reasons. But it’s open to everyone, and insults are only a result of not having to say something to someone’s face. The computer provides people with a lot of guts they don’t normally have.
Hey, Albert Pujols sucked in the 9th inning last night, he is sooooo not clutch.
Shawn Chacon, isn’t he still busy strangling Ed Wade?
Who was more ‘not clutch’ last night? ARod or AP?
i think the ultimate act of Yankee pitching desparation was committed last year…
Nonetheless,
black Yankee, while I agree with your sentiment that you post whatever you’d like, my question of effort comes from players giving away at-bats, swinging at the first 2 pitches thrown to them, not doing the little things correctly, and not progressing. Specifically, with Cano, it has been proven that the deeper he gets into the count, he is a better hitter. Yet he insists on swinging early. Additionally, Jeter has not been working the count either. That can be discerned as not doing all it takes to get on base.
Additionally, I think the Yanks view Cano as more than just a complimentary player…this is a guy who should be driving in 100 RBI’s and hitting 25 homers.
“Shawn Chacon, isn’t he still busy strangling Ed Wade?”
Another Negative Ned… so he tried to strangle someone – who hasn’t…
think pointing at Robby is not fair, hes not the best hitter on this team, he is a complimenary player, and recently hes doing his job. Defensively he has been fine. nobody would want someone to come to their job, watch them work, then say they dont care based on just watching
Exactly and anyone can say what they want Robi has willed us through alot of games when he is on. I mean the Boston game, the Orioles game, the game vs Boston in Fenway…the problem is he is Robin w/o a Batman. And right now Bobby Abreu, Johnny Damon and believe it or not Xavier Nady are the top guys I’d want to see up w/ the game on the line.
yeah but tomorrow ap will be clutch again and arod will still be not clutch.
INTERESTING – Type B free agents, per Ken Rosenthal:
“Even players who project as possible Type B free agents are considered more valuable than in the past, thanks to a change in the most recent labor agreement.
A team can now gain a sandwich pick between the first and second rounds for such a player without even offering him arbitration.”
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....8;ATT=3498
I hope Giambi’s only a Type B FA, not a Type A.
“i think the ultimate act of Yankee pitching desparation was committed last year…”
You must not have been around for the Dale Murray era…
“The Yankees are 5th in the Majors, 3rd in the AL, in OBP.
Try again?”
The last 6 yrs. they’ve been no worse than 3rd in the majors. Last year their OBP was .366. If they’re anywhere near there this year they’re ahead of Boston and close to Tampa.
I’ve never seen a more clutch player than A-Rod in 2007. Something’s off this year though. Who knows how much his divorce and his separation from his daughters is affecting him. He wouldn’t be the first player impacted by a divorce.
Before you call me a Negative Ned, you should also realize that Chacon is no better than what the Yankees already have. He was getting rocked while pitching in the NL, and if you are still feeling all warm and fuzzy towards him based on 2005, you’re deluding yourself. Heck, you’re even forgetting how good he looked with the Yankees in 2006, pitching to that sparkling 7.00 ERA.
I’ve never seen a more clutch player than A-Rod in 2007. Something’s off this year though. Who knows how much his divorce and his separation from his daughters is affecting him. He wouldn’t be the first player impacted by a divorce.
well whoever that is swinging that bat in the 9th pr w/ RISP and the game on the line sure as hell isn’t Arod.
“Before you call me a Negative Ned, you should also realize that Chacon is no better than what the Yankees already have.”
Sarcasm meter is on the fritz?
Regarding Jeter, I don’t read every post so maybe it has been mentioned here before but any chance the Captain’s power and speed reductions over the last couple of years could be steroid/HGH related? I know it is sacriligous, but I’m just askin’…
I know making the playoffs looks bleak this year, but let me say that we Yankees’ fans have a lot to be proud of. This organization has made the playoffs the last 13 years (1995-2007). Out of those 13 times they won their division all but 3 of them (95, 97, 07) and appeared in 6 World Series in which they won 4 of them. I know this organization is expected to win a championship every year, but we all know this is not realistic. It’s okay to aim for it, but it’s now going to be reached. The Steinbrenner’s can be accused of making some bad decisions, but one thing they can’t be accused of is wanting to win. I can’t say the same for other organizations.
Seriously – time to give Ponson and Rasner their walking papers and bring up the youngsters… leave Christian in there everyday… maybe the young ones can inject life into this tired old team…
Dennis lets not go there.
lead off homer for indians vs. tampa.
crawford is injured and upton is benched for not running out a grounder last night.
black yankee said: “I have been a fan for 60 years, I have seen alot of baseball. In that 60 years of being a fan I cannot recall any other (best player in the game at a specific time) be so uninvolved in his teams success. I cant remember one player who impacts the actually winning of the game (at the crucial time) so infrequently as Arod”
thank you for stating it, perfectly.
recalled a sports illustrated article, which said seattle team mates, nicknamed him ‘ice-water’.
“Sarcasm meter is on the fritz?”
Not so easy to pick up when it’s all text, plus this blog is full of people writing things that could only make sense if they were sarcastic so it’s often hard to tell the serious from the facetious.
Black Yankee -
“In that 60 years of being a fan I cannot recall any other (best player in the game at a specific time) be so uninvolved in his teams success. I cant remember one player who impacts the actually winning of the game (at the crucial time) so infrequently as Arod”
I too have been watching for over 60 yrs and I find your comment quite interesting. I quickly scanned my memories for someone who also would fit this discription.In the 50′s Duke Snider of the “Boys of Summer”, a HOF’er, had fantastic numbers but was not the clutch guy on the team. Reese, Robinson and Campy seemed to win the game while Snider (one of my favorites by the way) generated stats.
“upton is benched for not running out a grounder last night.”
Upton being Upton.
By my math if the rays play 500 ball the rest of the way the Yankees need to get to 92 wins. To get to 92 they need to 31-18 the rest ofthe way.
For fun lets say the Sox play 500 rest of the way, they get 89 wins and the Yankees need to go 28-21 to tie them.
I looked at remaining schedule and did a best case scenario where Yankees win 9 series, 2 series, and lose 5 series (mostly to Sox and Angels), and lose the one game in Detroit. This brings their record to 26-23, which would not get them in.
“Exactly and anyone can say what they want Robi has willed us through alot of games when he is on. I mean the Boston game, the Orioles game, the game vs Boston in Fenway…the problem is he is Robin w/o a Batman. And right now Bobby Abreu, Johnny Damon and believe it or not Xavier Nady are the top guys I’d want to see up w/ the game on the line”
definitely. And i would add Matsui, to the list.
sheffield was the best hitter on the team, when he was here. Not arod. And sheffield knew it, too.
“The Yankees are 5th in the Majors, 3rd in the AL, in OBP.
Try again?”
All the more reason to get Jeter the heck out of the two hole. I’ve lost count – okay I never was counting, but what I mean is that I’ve seen it so many times this season it’s like a bad tape playing over and over and over – of the numbers of times Jeter has erased scoring opportunities and knocked us out of innings and comeback opportunities with his FRUSTRATING GIDP!
And it’s not like he’s batting 330 and hitting into GIDP!
It is not a crime to bat someone down in the order for the good of the team.
If Jeter cares about winning the way he says he does, he has to realize that he has some problems this season, even if those problems are borne of injuries. Ask to be pushed down in the rotation.
I never had more respect for a player than a night I saw Knobs ask out of a game because he felt he was hurting the team.
“Regarding Jeter, I don’t read every post so maybe it has been mentioned here before but any chance the Captain’s power and speed reductions over the last couple of years could be steroid/HGH related? I know it is sacriligous, but I’m just askin’…”
Personally I doubt it although sometimes i think some of these guys miss their “greenies” or whatever.
I an an occasional reader of this blog and I can’t remember when it has been this eerie and funerary.
Does anybody know what time the Joba statement will be?
(I can’t work!:()
2 things that are completely unfair is to judge whether a player is hurt or whether a player cares.
People who don’t care wouldn’t dedicate as many hours as they do in season and in the off season to conditioning and practice.
Nady said Jeter sat with him and went over AL pitchers. That sounds like he cares. He said that A-Rod helped him out in BP with his swing. That sounds like he cares. Those 2 are always the ones who show up for optional BP and on the top step cheering teammates on. The other night they showed A-Rod on YES teaching Melky how to peek in to help him steal when he was supposed to pinch run for Giambi.
Sometimes caring just doesn’t = success.
i said it from day one.the pitching is terrible.the bullpen looks promising going forward with melancon and others in the mix,hopefully brackman will be in the mix also in 2009,hughes,kennedy we will have to cross our fingers.the yankees have to keep drafting pitchers and needed positional players.montero,jackson look good so if you look through the smoke and keep doing the right things we can turn it around,just have faith.get rid most of the overpriced players like giambi,mussina,pettitte,abraeu,pavano,pudge.bring abraeu back if the price is right but not 16 million,same with pettitte.they need a center fielder,catcher,first baseman,dh posada,if abraeu goes put nady in right,if abraeu stays put nady at first base.the mnoney has to be spent on pitching first.the yankees need an ace or two.get sabathia,weeks to go with wang,joba,hughes,kennedy.they for years keep running out pitchers with terrible whip,BAA numbers and when wang is you’re number 1 and not on the top ten pitchers in the league that is a problem.with a payroll of well over 200 million the yankees should be great 1-5 and then build around that.they overspent on position players and got cheap with pitching.trade matsui for prospects or bullpen help.so get an ace or two,center fielder,catcher,first baseman for 2009 because this year is probably over.bring kennedy,aceves up,hughes is back in 2 weeks and get ready for next year.
2 run homer for navarro gives the rays a 3-1 lead.
And the Yankee season turns around today because Dog has officially declared the Yankees done in 2008.
The yankees need to release information on Joba… they are *** me off
Is there any news when there will be news?
Does Birmingham have an airport?
DUMP JETER…. I hate that arrogant DP KING>
NongEyeJon, not sure where you came up with your BS numbers, but Cano is hitting .353 on 1st pitch, .341 on a 1-0 count and .383 on 2-0 counts. Do you really want his numbers as the counts get deeper at 0-1, or any other time he gets one strike on him? Here’s a hint…the deeper the counts, the worse the numbers.