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Big night for Phil Franchise

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 07, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

We here at blog headquarters still believe in Phil Hughes.

His injuries have been total freak events. Toes, hamstrings, ribs, etc. His arm is sound, his work ethic is fine and he can still be every bit the pitcher the Yankees think he can be. Let’s keep in mind, he’s only 22.

Hughes is scheduled to throw 60 pitches tonight for AAA Scranton against the Pawtucket Red Sox. It’ll be his third start since coming back from his fractured rib.

The plan is for Hughes to get to 80 pitches on Aug. 12 and around 90-95 on Aug. 17. That start could well be in the big leagues depending on what the Yankees need at the time.

“It’s possible,” Joe Girardi said.

It’s funny. The season started with the Yankees relying heavily on Hughes and Ian Kennedy as starters. It could end that way as well.

Chad Jennings, the man in Scranton, will have all your Hughes news on his blog.

 
 

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374 Responses to “Big night for Phil Franchise”

  1. Jettman August 7th, 2008 at 5:10 am

    I believe in you Phil.

  2. mel August 7th, 2008 at 5:26 am

    Phil, you’re the man. Child. Whatever. Beat those pink sox.

  3. RockinDaBronx August 7th, 2008 at 5:39 am

    they should name a flower after Phil, since he is so precious and delicate.

  4. Patrick Bateman August 7th, 2008 at 6:08 am

    I know you’re a big fan of Hughes, but can we be honest for a moment before we get back into hyping two young pitchers who were rushed on April 1st?

    1. He mostly throws low 90′s at 21. Dangerous when you rely on a fastball so heavily.

    2. He has two pitches, a curveball and fastball. He had trouble throwing both of those for strikes even before his injury which leads to two questions:
    A: Does he have poor control?
    B: Does he lack confidence at the major league level?

    3. Is he better suited to bullpen work until he can get another pitch? If a hitter only has to choose between a fastball and curve, isn’t that fairly predictable? Doesn’t he lack an outpitch other than a fastball?

  5. Joe Monte August 7th, 2008 at 6:11 am

    a healthy hughes gives us a shot at the wild card.

  6. Mike S. August 7th, 2008 at 6:44 am

    Phil Hughes, last year and the 1st game of 2008: 5-3, 4.35.

    Then came the 0-4,11.25 stretch when he most probably was pitching with the broken rib. I don’t think he was lousy then broke the rib. I think he broke it, didn’t realize it was broken, and pitched with pain, which he shouldn’t have done.

    Whatever. He didn’t forget how to pitch. How about throwing out that stretch and concentrate on a 5-3, 4.35 for what was a 21-year old? That’s not bad. That’s not counting the 1-0, 1.59 postseason he had.

    The first start of the year was good. 2 R in 6 IP. Sometime before the 2nd start, or during it, he got hurt. I tend to think something may have happened in the bottom of the 2nd of his 2nd start. At KC April 8th. A 3-1 putout. Was the throw bad? Was there a collision? Did Phil have to stretch awkwardly? I don’t know. But a look at the gamelog shows that almost IMMEDIATELY following that play, there were two walks and a HBP. That’s not Phil Hughes. The next inning he walked two more batters. It was the start of his “slump.” To me, it’s an indication of when that injury may have occurred. He had 13 walks in 22 IP this year after 29 in 72 2/3 last year. In 281 2/3 minor league IP, just 68 walks. ERA 2.04. A minor league WHIP of 0.86.

    He is just 22. Concentrate on the 5-3, 4.35 before the injury and hope he stays healthy.

  7. anaconda August 7th, 2008 at 7:23 am

    If they aren’t playing in October, I don’t see any legitimate reason why Hughes and Kennedy should continue to pitch in the minors when the big league club has a couple of openings in the rotation.

    As of right now, their playoff hopes are fairly bleak anyways. So let these kids come back and let’s see what they’ve got.

    They are a big part of the future of this team – not Dan Giese, or Rasner, or Ponson. Let them pitch and do their thing.

    At this point, the Yanks have nothing to lose and they both have something to prove.

  8. randy l August 7th, 2008 at 7:35 am

    whatever cashman decides, let’s just hope he continues to get phil franchise back to the bigs without one second too many at triple a.

    phil has dominated at every minor league level.
    what does he have to prove there?
    get him back .
    fast, fast, fast.
    asap.
    sooner than soon.
    pronto
    likkity split

    on a related note , the yankees have received 50,000 bonus points on their frequent flyer program to birmingham.

  9. Jorge Steinbrenner August 7th, 2008 at 7:41 am

    you don’t even need to use his record last year as proof of his potential, just him almost singlehandedly saving our behind in the playoffs.

    they can’t all be Joba in terms of how quickly they fully acclimate. Phil’s going to be just fine. Either be patient with him, or kick yourself for not being patient with him five years from now.

  10. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 7:50 am

    Phil needs a new nickname. I think he’ll be a pretty good pitcher, but “Franchise” is beyond ludicrous.

  11. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 7th, 2008 at 7:55 am

    Some good news to dwell on: Boston is not the healthiest of clubs either and the loss of Manny and Mr. Ortiz’s latest production at that plate is less than stellar. Plus those Tampa Bay pitchers are all entering uncharted territory in innings pitched and have very tough upcoming schedule with many road games as well. You could see them lose 9 out of 10 in the blink of an eye.

  12. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 7:59 am

    I definately expect to see Hughes make his next start with the MLB club, and not with Scranton, as long as he’s lined up to throw 90+ pitches.

    at this point in the season, they need those 90+ pitches much more at the MLB level than at Scranton. and i’d rather him throw those pitches at the MLB level, and hand it over to the bullpen for the last 4 innings or so, than watch Dan Giese anchor the back of the rotation.

  13. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 7:59 am

    and to add to that, line up Giese to piggy-back Hughes’s first start, in case he cant make it out of the 4th inning, or whatever may be the case.

  14. Paul August 7th, 2008 at 7:59 am

    Patrick Bateman said “he only has two pitches,
    Lots of opinions re Phil Hughes…heres one more:

    Hughes boasts a good fastball that works comfortably in the mid-90s. His four-seamer has good movement and he’s able to locate it very well. All of Hughes’ pitching is based off his ability to locate pitches. He does that very well with his four-seamer. Hughes also throws a plus two-seam fastball that sits in the low 90s. Again, he locates it very well. These two pitches, with their different movement and speed, complimented by his excellent command, set Hughes up as one of the most deadly pitchers in the minors.

    But what really makes Hughes the phenom that he has become is his curve ball. Working in the low 80s with excellent 1-7 movement, Hughes uses his curve ball as his true out-pitch. He does a great job of locating his curve and it has good deception. Additionally he’ll throw a change-up… He ditched his slider for the most part last season and has gone with just the fastballs, change and curve.

  15. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 8:03 am

    “Plus those Tampa Bay pitchers are all entering uncharted territory in innings pitched”

    If only this were true…

  16. JD(Duncan's arm bashes still hurt) August 7th, 2008 at 8:08 am

    For those who say the Yanks playoff hopes are bleak or they are done, do some math. They play the Red Sox more games than they are behind them in the wild-card. Pretty sure it’s close with Tampa Bay too. Until there are an X and a Y next to Boston and Tampa in the standings the Yanks have a chance.

  17. still in it August 7th, 2008 at 8:11 am

    im going to watch trenton tonight, i’ll drop a report on what i see from pavano when i get back since mike ashmore is on vacay.

  18. Paul August 7th, 2008 at 8:11 am

    Yanks in September:
    Tampa Bay 3x; Seattle 3x; LA 3x;
    Tampa again 3x; White Sox 3x; Balt and Tor 3x and finally the pink sox for 4.

  19. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 8:13 am

    thats a great scouting report, Paul, but what we’ve seen from Hughes hasnt been that. what you’ve got there is best case scenerio.

  20. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 8:15 am

    “Hughes boasts a good fastball that works comfortably in the mid-90s.”

    I for one am surprised to learn 92-93 is the “mid 90′s”.

  21. Y's Guy August 7th, 2008 at 8:17 am

    the yankees need to go on a tear and win 16 of 21 or something like that. then they’ll be right there with whoever. playing .500 and hoping to sweep tampa and boston isnt gonna get it done.

    there are plenty of games left to just win and not worry about what those guys are doing but this win 2, loose 2 crap isnt gonna get it done.

  22. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 8:18 am

    “I for one am surprised to learn 92-93 is the “mid 90’s”.”

    its that half-rule; like when you get to 5, you round up to 10… but when you get to 92.5, you can round up to 95.

  23. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 8:22 am

    “its that half-rule; like when you get to 5, you round up to 10… but when you get to 92.5, you can round up to 95.”

    Damn! I hate this new math.(:

  24. S.A.-We need you back soon Phil Hughes. This offense is still offensive. August 7th, 2008 at 8:23 am

    I still believe in Phil Franchise. Best of luck to Phil tonight. We need him to help us.

  25. Y's Guy August 7th, 2008 at 8:25 am

    good luck to phil tonight and good luck to ian tonight and even good luck to pavano tonight. we may need all 3 of them!

  26. Y's Guy August 7th, 2008 at 8:26 am

    sorry ian’s tomorrow

  27. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 7th, 2008 at 8:27 am

    Andy Sonnanstine, last year 130.2, this year @ already 133.2
    Matt Garza, 2006=50 IP, 2007=83 IP, This year @ already 129.0
    Jackson, 2003-2006, 22.0-36.1 IP, Last year = 161, This year @ already 130.0
    Shields 2006=124.2, 2007=215.0, this year @ 151.1 ( on pace to throw over 430 innings in 2 years, after throwing only 124 in his first year ) No surprise if lands on DL here !
    Kazmir = OK, I admit he’s a horse, but has already been hurt this year, right ?

  28. Brent (Bring Up The Kids) August 7th, 2008 at 8:32 am

    With our season teetering precariously, I think Kennedy and Hughes can really help us. When they pitch to their ability, they are definitely upgrades over Ponson, Rasner, and Geise. This is a no-brainer for the Yankees.

    For every person who over-hypes a young Yankee pitcher, there are 2 who reduce his ability to that of Kei Igawa. There’s a reason these guys were drafted as high as they were. 2 months of their first full season in the big leagues does not make a career. People are literally searching for reasons not to be in favor of Kennedy/Hughes’ future. Give me a break!

  29. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 8:35 am

    i wonder why was Rasner a starter over Karsens? i think Jeff was better myself he happen to break his leg and was hurt but we let him slip away.. maybe its me…

  30. daver August 7th, 2008 at 8:36 am

    Let’s both Phil and Ian come back and help us the rest of the season. We need them.

    Regardless of what happens with Phil, Ian, and Joba in 2008…the issue I see in 2009 is that the innings limits for these guys will too low to get a full season out of any of them. That means that we need to get ourselves some good veteran pitchers in the offseason. Paging Mr. CC Sabathia…

  31. Alfred E. Neuman August 7th, 2008 at 8:36 am

    Any further updates on Brett Favre ? What time did he get out of bed this morning ?

  32. S.A.-We need you back soon Phil Hughes. This offense is still offensive. August 7th, 2008 at 8:39 am

    Alfred-sources informed ESPN that he got out of bed at approximately 6:13 AM EST

  33. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 8:39 am

    The jets are like the Mets.. they both Suck! thats why they dont have there one stadium! Giants stadium..

  34. Chris August 7th, 2008 at 8:40 am

    I’m making a solemn promise to never use the word “franchise” again in a description of Phil Hughes for fear of jinxing him.

  35. Justin C. August 7th, 2008 at 8:41 am

    all i know is the phil hughes i saw pitch last year vs texas was a pitcher that was better than joba chamberlain

  36. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    “Andy Sonnanstine, last year 130.2, this year @ already 133.2″

    Actually, he threw 71 in AAA last year too. That’s 201 IP. He threw 185 in AA the year before that. This year, he’s on pace for 191

    “Matt Garza, 2006=50 IP, 2007=83 IP, This year @ already 129.0″

    Also pitched 136 minor league innings in ’06 (186 IP total) and 92 minor league innings in ’07 (175 total). His pace for this year is 183 IP.

    “Shields 2006=124.2, 2007=215.0, this year @ 151.1″

    Again, you’re forgetting minor leagues. Sheilds had 61 IP in the minors in ’06 (186 IP total). He’s on pace to match last year’s 215.

    “Kazmir = OK, I admit he’s a horse, but has already been hurt this year, right ?”

    Kazmir did miss April, but has been healthy since. He’s on pace for about 170 now, a number he’s exceeded twice in his short career.

    “Jackson, 2003-2006, 22.0-36.1 IP, Last year = 161, This year @ already 130.0″

    Jackson is the great unknown of this lot. But he did pitch 161 last year and at 24 is still pretty young and his minor league numbers have him over 100 IP in every season since 2002. Also worth noting the Rays have the best minor league pitcher in the game destroying AA and likely to be up in the next couple weeks. Perhaps as a replacement for Jackson.

  37. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 8:47 am

    “all i know is the phil hughes i saw pitch last year vs texas was a pitcher that was better than joba chamberlain”

    Might have been for that day. Otherwise, not so much.

  38. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 8:48 am

    “all i know is the phil hughes i saw pitch last year vs texas was a pitcher that was better than joba chamberlain”

    then you were watching a different game than everyone else.

  39. daver August 7th, 2008 at 8:49 am

    “Phil needs a new nickname. I think he’ll be a pretty good pitcher, but “Franchise” is beyond ludicrous.”

    How about Phil Phragile?

  40. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 8:50 am

    i think joba is being overworked thats why his shoulder is hurting… last yr he pitched out of the PEN 80innings or so.. now he is starting didnt have much time to get his mind and body ready for the grueling summer.. We expected too much from him me my self i still like him better in the Pen.. but we also need quality pitchers that will get the ball to him and MO

  41. joe August 7th, 2008 at 8:51 am

    RockinDaBronx
    August 7th, 2008 at 5:39 am
    “they should name a flower after Phil, since he is so precious and delicate.”

    PHIL THE PANSEY??

  42. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 8:51 am

    “then you were watching a different game than everyone else.”

    Probably didn’t have high def that night.

  43. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 8:54 am

    Mike Mussina throws his fastball 86 MPH and has 14 wins. Don’t get caught up in radar gun readings. Phil Hughes doesn’t have to throw 95 MPH to be a good major league pitcher.

    All I know is, the game I saw him pitch in Charleston, he looked like the old Phil Hughes. His ball has more pop and movement than it had during his time in NY this season.

    Can he build on that outing? That’s what I want to see. If he can, I see no reason why he can’t be a successful pitcher, regardless of his radar gun readings.

    If he can make it back to NY by Mid-August, that’s good work on his part. For a long time, many in the Yankees organization believed he wouldn’t be back until September.

    Its WAY too early to give up on Hughes. If he can stay healthy, he’s going to win a lot of games in his major league career. He has too much talent not to be successful.

    What he needs is to be tougher. Perhaps this adversity will give him the toughness necessary to take it to the next level.

  44. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Respectfully disagree Awesome. Joba did throw 90 innings in the minors last year prior to his 24 MLB innings for a total of 114. Thru his last start he’s thrown 89 innings on the year. I think the Yankees managed his transition about as well as they could. As for expectation, I can’t believe there’s anyone’s he did not meet or exceed.

  45. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 8:57 am

    “What he needs is to be tougher. Perhaps this adversity will give him the toughness necessary to take it to the next level.”

    lets hope so, SJ.

    and he’s not just fighting for the yankees’ wild card spot, but for his own personal spot in the back of the rotation next spring.

  46. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 7th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    the Yankees will be the team that “folds” the least down the stretch and will win the AL East. ( mark you calendars and at the end of the year, you can show this as either another example of me being a fool…OR, the day that I pulled a wabbit outta my hat ! ) :-)

  47. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 9:00 am

    SJ, you going to be in the area for any of the Charleston games in Lakewood next weekend?

  48. ray August 7th, 2008 at 9:01 am

    You wascal Vito!

    Have a good day my friend.

  49. William Buckner August 7th, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Going to see Phil in WB/S tonight. I agree with SJ’s take. I saw Phil make a couple of starts at AAA last year and he was a different pitcher before the injury in Texas, even when he came back last year and this (better control more aggressive).

    From what I’ve heard, he’s back to 2006 form and for Yankee fans that should be exciting – at that time he was one of the best pitching prospects in the game.

  50. jennifer August 7th, 2008 at 9:03 am

    I can’t believe I am reading and hearing people blaming the transition for Joba’s injury. Now people are saying it was a mistake for him to be made a starter. He started his ENTIRE CAREER!! He was only made a reliever for innings purposes last year. I actually heard someone on the radio say shouldn’t they have waited until next year and made him a starter from spring training.

  51. still in it August 7th, 2008 at 9:03 am

    awesome
    joba’s been a starter his whole career in college, and the minors except for 2 months last year and 2 months this year, just to keep his innings down. the yankees have him on a strict innings limit of no more than a 30 IP increase year over year. if you have to baby him more than that, he’ll never become a major league starter.

    be patient, most pitchers miss a few starts in any year due to stiffness, dead arm, tendinitis or whatever. if he had continued to pitch 7 innings per start, he would have had to be shut down before the end of the season to avoid going past him innings limit anyway, so unless this injury becomes more than it looks like right now, joba will end up right where he should be at around 135 – 140 IP.

  52. ray (sox fan) August 7th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    Jennifer, I heard Seth Everett on Fox Sports radio say that….perhaps the same person you are talking about.

  53. Patrick â„¢ August 7th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    “What he needs is to be tougher. Perhaps this adversity will give him the toughness necessary to take it to the next level.”

    What, like toughen up his ribs so they don’t break? Or strengthen his hamstrings so they don’t tear? I hope you meant mental toughness. In that case I would agree, but then again most young pitchers need more mental toughness. There are only a few that can handle the majors the first time around (Joba, Wang for example).

  54. still in it August 7th, 2008 at 9:06 am

    “From what I’ve heard, he’s back to 2006 form.” great scouting that somebody picked up that he’s back to 2006 form in only 5 innings!

  55. Chris August 7th, 2008 at 9:06 am

    “What he needs is to be tougher. Perhaps this adversity will give him the toughness necessary to take it to the next level.”

    It’s not a matter of toughness. If you’re injured, you’re injured. That has nothing to do with toughness. Trying to be tough generally just makes the injury worse and puts you out of action for longer.

  56. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 9:08 am

    what grade level will a pitcher be a closer for there whole career? every pitcher is a starter until moved to a new position.. be real.. last year you guys was saying JOBA is the truth in the pen now all of a sudden you guys saying JOBA is the best starter yanks have.. get out of the MEDIA life and look at reality.. who will close once MO gets hurt?? dont say that cant happen…look at everyone favorite pitcher CARL PAVANO..

  57. Patrick â„¢ August 7th, 2008 at 9:08 am

    “..at that time he was one of the best pitching prospects in the game.”

    Correction, he was the best pitching prospect at the beginning of last year.

  58. jennifer August 7th, 2008 at 9:08 am

    ray- I think it was someone from pti on espn radio. Don’t they realize a normal season is about 220 innings, and if he only threw 110 last year (2007), Than with the Yankees 30 innings increases he wouldn’t be able to pitch an entire season. Really these people should think before they speak.

  59. Patrick â„¢ August 7th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    Awesome, only the ignorant were saying that Joba should stay in the pen last year. Who closes once Mo gets hurt? First whos to say he gets hurt but if he does, Mark Melancon.

  60. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    i never said he is a horrible starter i just prefer him in the PEN.. i think he should have been transition to be the yankees new Closer, Mo is getting old.. i hope you guys dont think he will be around till he is 50..

  61. S.A.-We need you back soon Phil Hughes. This offense is still offensive. August 7th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    Its WAY too early to give up on Hughes. If he can stay healthy, he’s going to win a lot of games in his major league career. He has too much talent not to be successful.

    What he needs is to be tougher. Perhaps this adversity will give him the toughness necessary to take it to the next level.

    I definitely agree with this SJ44. I think/hope he learned from the struggles he had this past season and will be a better pitcher due to it. But that’s just what I think, we will see what happens with him.

    Also, it’s sad that some people have totally given up on him already. I’m not saying crown him as the second coming, but have some patience and give him a chance.

  62. still in it August 7th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    “It’s not a matter of toughness. If you’re injured, you’re injured. That has nothing to do with toughness. Trying to be tough generally just makes the injury worse and puts you out of action for longer.”

    this attitude is applied only to blog fave’s like phil but never to blog clowns like pavano apparently.

  63. jennifer August 7th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    Awesome, what the heck are you talking about? I can’t believe this is being rehashed once again. The Yankees always stated that Joba was going to be a starter! Joba showed he has the stuff to be a starter. Most pitchers in the pen, are FAILED starters! Joba isn’t one of them. Mo was a failed starter!

    Don’t go generalizing saying everyone wanted Joba in the pen that is far from the truth!

  64. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 9:11 am

    so just bring up a guy from the minors to close? That will work out great..

  65. jennifer August 7th, 2008 at 9:11 am

    Mo is signed to a three year deal, he still has two years left.

  66. Diane August 7th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    SJ44, to compare Hughes with Mussina doesn’t make much sense as long as the kid only has two pitches. Yes, a pitcher can get by without being able to throw very hard, but not if he can’t fool hitters.

    And to those who question ‘why keep him down there’ I’d say, because someone had hopes he would be able to learn a good slider or change.

  67. S.A.-We need you back soon Phil Hughes. This offense is still offensive. August 7th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    I can’t believe I am reading and hearing people blaming the transition for Joba’s injury. Now people are saying it was a mistake for him to be made a starter.

    What? Are those people saying that for real? :roll:

  68. jennifer August 7th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    Awesome, so hold back a potential ace to possibly close just incase Mo gets hurt. That makes more sense.

  69. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    TurnTwo,

    No. Staying home for the first weekend this summer. I need a break from traveling! lol

    Jennifer,

    Some people always need to find someone to blame for things. When Wang got hurt running the bases, it was the training staff’s fault for not “teaching” him to run.

    The Yankees did everything right in transitioning and protecting Joba.

    Its why you hope its not a worse injury than what’s being reported and you guard against ANY temptation to bring him back too soon. If it means, they miss the playoffs? So be it.

  70. Matt-LI (The Real X-Games) August 7th, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Being a starter is much more valuable than a middle relief pitcher, long man, setup man, or closer. I can’t believe that this is really a debate with some people. If you don’t have a starter (and Joba is a future ace, not just your average starter) who can protect the lead for you through 6-7IP, you don’t even need that setup man or closer anyway. Unreal, how do you value a bullpen arm over a starter? I bet CC would be a great 8th inning/closer too. Or maybe Beckett. Lets throw Peavy in there as well. A starter is much more valuable, FACT.

    If Mo happens to get hurt, Joba is not going to be our closer. We have options within the club to replace Mo, and none of their names are Joba.

  71. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 9:14 am

    SJ is absolutely right about not being obsessed with velocity. Hughes, when healthy has excellent movement and command and if you can do that at 91-93 you can be a big winner. A strong outing tonight and it would be very tempting to bring him back to NYC and let Giese return to long relief. Might have to carry an extra pitcher for a week or so, but this isn’t exactly a productive bench anyway. They can live without Christan if that’s what it takes to get the pitching settled.

    Joba is not overworked and the “mental” adjustment of converting to a starter is what he wanted all along. The shoulder setback could help him in the long run as he learns to get away from the re-coil on his delivery. He might even learn to celebrate by pumping his glove hand!

  72. Patrick â„¢ August 7th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    “so just bring up a guy from the minors to close? That will work out great..”

    He won’t be in the minors much longer genius. He’s ready right now but theres no spot for him at the moment. He’ll be in the bullpen for all of 2009. You do realize that Mo is signed beyond this season don’t you? Statistically he’s still arguably the best closer in the league. By the time Mo is ready to retire Melancon would have at least a full season in the majors.

  73. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    what good is it if your starter goes 7ip and no one to finish the game?? look at the dumb team in Queens or even our hated Tigers.. they picked up a horrible pitcher in farnsworth now they cant close out a game.. thats why we have closers! if thats the case why do we need Mo why pay for him to stay around.. yankees need a great closer to close out.. if he wasnt there last night we would have lost again..

  74. William Buckner August 7th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    “Contreras said Hughes looked about as good in his last start as he ever has with the Yankees. His fastball command and velocity were both very good — 93 to 95 mph, not 101 like the stadium gun showed — and Contreras said the curveball was as sharp as it’s been since 2006 when Hughes was so good for Trenton.”-Nardi Contreras.

  75. Winfield killed my seagull August 7th, 2008 at 9:20 am

    How about Phil “Too scared to throw my changeup” Hughes?

  76. Patrick â„¢ August 7th, 2008 at 9:21 am

    Also what is this nonsense about Hughes having only 2 pitches? He has two plus plus pitches (fastball, curve) but he also has a changeup and slider. I’ve also heard he is working on a 2-seam fastball but most pitchers throw that anyways. His change is already an average pitch, he just needs to work on it some more. The slider was his best pitch throughout highschool but the Yankees had him stop throwing it because sliders are more risky to the arm. He only began throwing it again somewhat recently.

    What makes Hughes a great pitcher is his command. He already has plus plus fastball command. The problem he had this year was he was trying to be too fine and throw a perfect pitch every time. Not to mention, its probably a bit difficult to spot your fastball with a cracked rib or two.

    If Hughes is finally 100% healthy he will be huge for this team down the stretch.

  77. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 9:22 am

    Patrick,

    By “toughness”, I don’t mean physical toughness. I mean mental toughness to handle the adversity the game brings you.

    The last couple of outings in NY, Hughes melted down on the mound. That has to to change if he is going to be successful and I think all of what he has had to go through this year will help in that regard.

    Diane,

    He has more than two pitches. His changeup is very good. He just didn’t use it enough earlier in the year. That’s a pitch he can throw well and did so last year. Especially in his near no hitter in Texas.

  78. Matt-LI (The Real X-Games) August 7th, 2008 at 9:24 am

    What good is it having a starter go 5IP, giving up 6runs? Its not just about a closer, but giving your ballclub a chance to win a ballgame. More often then not, when a team is leading after the 8th inning, they win the ballgame. If you are losing heading into the 9th with no chance, what good is it to have anything more then that mopup man? I’m gonna stop debating this because honestly, this is a no brainer. You take a stud ace to give you 6-7IP every time of 0-2run ball over a ONE INNING guy who can possibly shut it down for you. How do you waste an arm like Joba for ONE INNING? Especially with 3 plus pitches and a 4th one coming.

  79. jennifer August 7th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    Oye Vey, what good is a closer if you can’t get to him?

    I can’t believe we are going over this AGAIN!

  80. Matt-LI (The Real X-Games) August 7th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    And by the way, not everybody is a Mariano Rivera. A Mariano Rivera is a once in a lifetime pitcher. Us Yankee fans have been spoiled, to say the least, having a closer like him shut down our ballgames. New York is in for a rude awakening when that man retires.

  81. randy l August 7th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    is there a yankee pitching prospect using the present pitching program that doesn’t get disabled for an extended period?

    at what point does the program itself get looked at?

    for those statistically inclined, where do the yankees rate on the health of their pitching prospects in the minor leagues compared to other teams?

  82. TKinDC August 7th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    Did anybody catch Rick Sutcliff say he thought that when Joba came back he would spend next year in the pen.

    I am glad his health is good, but is there any analyst more ignorant? Does he pay any attention?

  83. Matt-LI (The Real X-Games) August 7th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    And if Joba has always been a reliever in his career and only had 2 plus pitches, I could see a reason for this argument. But when the man has been a starter his entire professional career and succeded, why change it?

  84. MooseCall August 7th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    I’m sure Hughes will pitch very well when the Yanks are out of the race and the games are meaningless.

  85. berra8 August 7th, 2008 at 9:32 am

    I’ll make one request — please stop calling him Phil Franchise. I hate that name.

  86. yankee2123 August 7th, 2008 at 9:32 am

    What really gets me is that Kei Igawa is 12-5 for Scranton, with 100 K’s. He would be a logical choice to bring up, if this were any other team or city. But he’s a prototypical AAAA pitcher. I think a change of scenery, to a lower pressure NL team would help him and the Yankees.

  87. Patrick â„¢ August 7th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    “By “toughness”, I don’t mean physical toughness. I mean mental toughness to handle the adversity the game brings you.”

    I pretty much figured that, I was just having a little fun :)

    You are right, too. He never encountered any adversity in the minors. He’s dominated at every leven and in 2006 Hughes never faced a hitter with bases loaded. Thats great but it just shows he’s never encountered any obstacles in his career. Now that he has, lets hope he comes out the other end a better player.

    By the way, I’m tired of people saying Hughes throws 90-91. Heres a quote from September 2006, from an interview with BaseballAmerica:

    BA: Where is the velocity of your fastball right now, and do you consider it your best pitch?

    PH: “It’s always my ‘go to’ pitch, because a well-located fastball is the best pitch in the game. I’m generally sitting between 92 and 94 (mph) with it, and I’ll touch 95-96. I’m mostly going with 4-seamers, although I’ll throw a few 2-seamers that are closer to 91-92.”

  88. Jorge Steinbrenner August 7th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    if Hughes is a failure, there’s a whole lot of top prospects around baseball should be called “failures” as well….Buchholz, Bailey, Owings, Kershaw…..

    ….they can’t all be Joba. they can’t be all Lincecum.

    i bet a lot of the fans here who want to write off Phil Hughes still believe in the other guys on other teams.

    i don’t understand why people post questions on this blog that simply thinking back would answer perfectly.

  89. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    “Did anybody catch Rick Sutcliff say he thought that when Joba came back he would spend next year in the pen.

    I am glad his health is good, but is there any analyst more ignorant? Does he pay any attention?”

    problem is that you had a very similar situation with Papelbon in Boston, and it worked out, so now thats the standard.

    what they arent taking into consideration is that Papelbon wanted back into the closer’s role because their bullpen was horrendous without him. they had no other option.

    so yeah, his potential health risks were a small factor, and the move back to the bullpen might have been made for him eventually anyway, but that move was made bc thats where Papelbon wanted to be, and where Francona thought he was best utilized at teh time.

  90. Y's Guy August 7th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    moosecall, if that happens, that will still be a great thing for the yankees. injuries happen but we still need these guys to develop and if the offense cant keep us in the race at least seeing a healthy and effective hughes will help the phil and the yankees greatly.

  91. Jorge Steinbrenner August 7th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    i bet there’s a lot of folks in the media who don’t want the next dominant pitcher in baseball to be pitching out of Yankee Stadium, so they’re going to knock Joba down a notch anywhere they can.

    Let’s hope he heals well, comes back 110%, and is given enough time to do so. Like SJ said, if it means no playoffs this year, so be it. There’s still 25 guys going out there on the field every night that can make a playoff spot happen. It’s not like, without Joba, we can only send out 24 players.

  92. Bad Scooter August 7th, 2008 at 9:39 am

    Hughes’ performance against Texas last year in that stadium was amazing. Has to be one of the most dominating performances by a Yankee pithcer in the last 10 years. Mussina near perfecto against tht Red Sox that Sunday night in 2001 was #1 in my book. Clemens’ against the Mariners in the ALCS in 2000, 1 hitter with 15K’s is the other that comes to mind. Hughes stuff that night was that good. That’s the potential that this kid has. You can cry about his velocity all you want.

  93. Matt-LI (The Real X-Games) August 7th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    “if Hughes is a failure, there’s a whole lot of top prospects around baseball should be called “failures” as well….Buchholz, Bailey, Owings, Kershaw…..”

    And Hughes is younger then all of them except for Kershaw, I believe. I think Hughes was younger then 11/18 pitchers in the FUTURES GAME. Patience is a virtue that most Yankee fans just don’t seem to have.

  94. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    Yankee2123:

    Igawa went unclaimed on waivers. Seems likely that everyone else shares your assessment that he’s a AAAA type pitcher. Certainly nobody was interested in paying $4M per season to find out.

  95. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    The idea of returning Joba to the pen if he returns makes a lot of sense… for the rest of this season. It’ll keep his pitch count down, though I doubt he would be used on consecutive days.

    Papelbon was told because of his shoulder he would be better off as a closer physically. I gotta wonder if Joba might have been told the same thing.

  96. fuhgoobagaz August 7th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Papelbon has a shoulder defect which is why he was limited in how much he could pitch. It is monitored constantly but longevity for his career is questionable. The closer role was thought to be tougher on him because of the lack of scheduled pitching, but the starter role has a lot more pitches. Neither is idea for his shoulder problems.

  97. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    “Papelbon was told because of his shoulder he would be better off as a closer physically. I gotta wonder if Joba might have been told the same thing.”

    Didn’t Papelbon head into ’07 spring training set to start? Somehow I remember it that way. That tells me he was medically cleared to be a starter. In the end, both the absence of a legit replacement and Papelbon’s apparent affinity for the job changed their mind just ahead of the season starting.

    Seems to me Joba wants to start. So long as there is no structural damage, I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

  98. TKinDC August 7th, 2008 at 9:56 am

    86 –

    I think the idea of Joba in the pen has been settled and I don’t think the organization will want to reopen it. Joba wants to be a starter, is able to perform at a very high level as a starter, and to move him back to the pen even for the rest of this year I think won’t happen.

    If you have to rehab him longer to protect his innings then do it, but the rotation is the problem on this team and the bullpen is not (imo).

  99. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 9:56 am

    “Papelbon was told because of his shoulder he would be better off as a closer physically.”

    but wasnt that more of a shoulder socket issue? that the muscles and tissue in/around the shoulder were not strong enough to keep his should from popping out?

  100. Jorge Steinbrenner August 7th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    “Papelbon has a shoulder defect which is why he was limited in how much he could pitch. It is monitored constantly but longevity for his career is questionable. The closer role was thought to be tougher on him because of the lack of scheduled pitching, but the starter role has a lot more pitches. Neither is idea for his shoulder problems.”

    In other words, let’s turn to 2012 ESPN Baseball Tonight analyst Jon Papelbon…

    At this point, Joba stays in the rotation. I’m no doctor, but I can’t imagine yo-yo’ing him back and forth will be stellar for his arm either. There will be a solution to this in 2009.

  101. JohnnyC August 7th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Scooter, what the Phil detractors forget is that in that Texas game his best pitch that night was his 3rd pitch, his changeup. It was killing batters like Texeira. All this talk about only having 2 pitches is just ignorant.

  102. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    I don’t pretend to know the medical details, just that he said “The Doctors” recommended he remain in the bullpen because regular work for shorter periods would be better for him because of the nature of his shoulder abnormalities. He still wanted to be a starter despite that advice, but switched when the Sawx bullpen fell apart that spring.

    I agree IF the medical advice is neutral, then Joba should be a starter. But for the remainder of THIS season is might be advisable for him to switch…. then again it might not be, that’s why I wrote I “wonder” if he might be told something similar to what Papelbon was told a few years back now that is shoulder has gotten a high level assessment.

    Is that clearer? I’m not advocating a switch back, just speculating that it “might” be medically necessary short term and/or long term.

  103. JohnnyC August 7th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    It’ll be hilarious when the Red Sox run Papelbon out of town like they do everyone else after his short tenure of usefulness expires. Gammons will write a column about how Papelbon was actually selling crack to teenagers in suburban Boston on the side all the while. He’ll probably pitch a couple of incomplete seasons with the Brewers or someone before hanging it up, citing the shoulder defect as the reason. And they’ll conveniently not invite him back to Fenway ever again.

  104. hmmm August 7th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    anyone who still thinks Joba should be a reliever after watching him start should probably just give up baseball.

    i mean, wow.

    talk about willful ignorance.

  105. Dennis from the Bronx August 7th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    I go back long enough to remember another young, blond pitching phenom who couldn’t seem to shake the injury bug. The Yankees finally decided to cut their losses and shipped him to Toronto for the immortal Jesse Barfield. That’s right, it was Al Leiter. Al went on to have a fine big-league career, anchoring the 1997 Marlins’ championship club and as the heart and sole of the Bobby V. Mets. The best of many we let get away. Phil will flourish, but patience is needed. What impressed me more than the near no-no in Texas, was his gutty performance against Cleveland last year. The kid, like Leiter, is for real. He and Joba will make a great 1-2 very soon.

  106. TKinDC August 7th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    gotcha 86 :)

  107. Jorge Steinbrenner August 7th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    “anyone who still thinks Joba should be a reliever after watching him start should probably just give up baseball.”

    there’s two camps within that. there’s the “maybe it’ll be better for his long-term health” camp and there’s the “Friends of Mad Dog Chris Russo” camp.

    I can understand, but still disagree with, the first camp. The second camp needs to just go ahead and wear that shiny, new Billy Wagner t-shirt they’ve got stashed away. time to come out the Met fan closet…

  108. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    Joba’s health will determine his future role. If this is just a bout with tendinitis, he probably goes back to the rotation next year.

    However, if he doesn’t pitch again this year, he’s only looking at 120-130 innings of work next year, given his innings limits.

    Its too early to make any definitive statement as to where he ends up (starter or bullpen) next season.

    Its a very real question as to whether or not he can handle throwing 200 innings as a starter.

    That will be a very interesting off-season question for the Yankees.

  109. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 10:11 am

    hmmm—

    Where has ANYONE suggested he SHOULD be a reliver?

    Reading comprehension classes might be a good idea.

  110. Patrick â„¢ August 7th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    “Where has ANYONE suggested he SHOULD be a reliver?”

    You are an idiot, scroll up and look at all of Awesome’s posts.

  111. Dennis from the Bronx August 7th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Patrick,
    Can I make a request that we not call people idiots for no good reason? How about a little civility. Would you call the guy an idiot to his face.

  112. TKinDC August 7th, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Can we sue ‘Awesome’ for violating truth in advertizing?

  113. Patrick â„¢ August 7th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    “Would you call the guy an idiot to his face.”

    Yuppers!

  114. Jorge Steinbrenner August 7th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    “Its a very real question as to whether or not he can handle throwing 200 innings as a starter.

    That will be a very interesting off-season question for the Yankees.”

    Aren’t we still pretty much in the infancy of that potential concern, though? I don’t feel like one and one already equal two here.

    He needs to show that this is going to be a constant issue for him before we write him off as a starter. I don’t think the rest of this season gives us enough information to make that decision.

    And by “us,” I, of course, mean that I’m expecting a call from Brian Cashman any minute now. :)

  115. Jorge Steinbrenner August 7th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    “Where has ANYONE suggested he SHOULD be a reliver? Reading comprehension classes might be a good idea.”

    Maybe you didn’t, but there’s been a pretty constant group on here suggesting it.

  116. Patrick â„¢ August 7th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    If Joba doesn’t throw any more innings this season he’ll be back at a 140 IP limit next season. If thats the case, he won’t be throwing 200 innings until 2011. Kind of depressing but its the right thing to do.

  117. Brad August 7th, 2008 at 10:24 am

    Where has ANYONE suggested he SHOULD be a reliver?

    – - – - – -
    Rick Sutcliffe suggested it during the games last night.

  118. hmmm August 7th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    “Where has ANYONE suggested he SHOULD be a reliver?”

    i was afraid after i posted that you would think i was talking to you. i wasn’t. i understand your position.

    but scroll up.

    i’ll come back after my reading comprehension class is over and we can discuss it.

  119. TKinDC August 7th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    I think Joba’s durability is in question just like any pitcher that doesn’t have a track record of solid health.

    I usually think Kellerman is a lightweight – but yesterday they were talking about the ability to stay healthy throughout a season as a skill, as much as luck. Durability is an attribute that Moose and (to a lesser extent) Pettitte have demonstrated.

    Whether or not the talented younger arms of the yanks can be durable is a big factor in future success – which is why Cashman keeps on stacking up a ton of talented arms. (sadly, mostly right arms)

  120. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    Jorge,

    You have to figure in his prior medicals in his overall evaluation.

    One of the reasons he dropped in the draft were because of medical issues. Moreso his elbow and forearm issues than his knee injury.

    I don’t assume the Yankees info on him is 100% correct. Even Mike Mussina wouldn’t make that assumption and he works for the Yankees.

    If its just tendinitis, that’s not a big deal. However, if tendinitis is a byproduct of another, undisclosed injury, that’s a different deal.

    I doubt very much if that’s the case, the Yankees would go public with that information. Its much easier (and PR friendly) to say he has tendinitis, will rest for two weeks, then begin a throwing program “shortly thereafter”, the wording in the Cashman statement given to the media yesterday.

    Either way, if he doesn’t pitch anymore this year, he’s only going to be able to give them 120-130 innings next year.

    We end up going back to figuring out what is the best way to maximize those innings for 2009.

  121. hmmm August 7th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    man, i wish i could read.

    “We expected too much from him me my self i still like him better in the Pen.”

    “last year you guys was saying JOBA is the truth in the pen now all of a sudden you guys saying JOBA is the best starter yanks have.. get out of the MEDIA life and look at reality.. who will close once MO gets hurt?? ”

    “i never said he is a horrible starter i just prefer him in the PEN.. i think he should have been transition to be the yankees new Closer, Mo is getting old..”

  122. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 10:30 am

    “Either way, if he doesn’t pitch anymore this year, he’s only going to be able to give them 120-130 innings next year.

    We end up going back to figuring out what is the best way to maximize those innings for 2009.”

    hey… if nothing else, at least going into next season they have a template to transition him if they feel thats the best way to maximize the innings.

  123. Patrick â„¢ August 7th, 2008 at 10:34 am

    “Either way, if he doesn’t pitch anymore this year, he’s only going to be able to give them 120-130 innings next year.”

    I think you are underestimating his limit next year. He threw 112 last year and was on course to go 140 or so this season. I doubt his limit would decrease because he threw less this year.

    For example, Hughes only threw 22 innings this year and if he comes back in mid-august he won’t get much beyond 50-60 total for the season. That doesn’t mean he’ll be limited to 90 innings next year. He’ll still be at the same limit of ~160-170.

  124. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    TK,

    That’s very true. Being able to take the ball every fifth day is something of a lost art these days in the game.

    Moose has said some fascinating stuff the last few days. He talked about how tough it is for young pitchers to throw a lot of innings early in their careers. He talked about the difference between pain and injury and how to manage your body to be able to answer the bell. He talked about the mental aspect of being able to take the ball every fifth day. Real interesting stuff for those of us who are into the mind games of baseball.

    Everybody in baseball is overprotective of young pitchers today. Its a universal thing in the game. Its not limited to one or two teams.

    That’s not saying you send a guy out there and blow him up. But, my God, you watch games and you would think a pitcher would disinigrate if he throws over 100 pitches.

    It becomes a head game for young pitchers.

    In Joba’s case, his health is a very real issue. He has had injury issues in the past.

    He has a magical arm. How best to utilize it? Its very fair question that none of us have the answer toright now because we aren’t privy to all of the medical information on him.

    Its not out of the realm of reality though to envision a scenario in which Joba may have to go back to the ‘pen in order to maximize his talents.

    Obviously, this discussion is irrelevent if his health issues are minor. However, if there are issues with his health that could lead to bigger problems (health-wise) down the road, or those problems currently exist and the Yankees aren’t telling anybody, you have to factor all of that in when deciding how best to use him in the future.

  125. mel August 7th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Speaking of Rick Sutcliffe, Erin Andrews wore yellow again for him last night and Jeter gave him a welcome back. Jeter and Erin looked good together.

    Speaking of Erin Andrews, who is indeed very pretty, have the gentleman here (lol) seen the July issue of GQ? Giselle Bundchen is pretty much perfect and makes Erin look like a farm girl.

  126. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    Hmmm—

    I apologize if I got a bit defensive. Accepting the fact that what we will be told about Joba is either a partial truth or complete lie leads us to speculate on the best and worst case scenarios. He has just had the most extensive evaluation of all aspects of his throwing shoulder and there’s a wide range of things that can come out of it.

    In the meantime we’ll just work through it in our own way.

    It’s certainly reasonable to consider that he might be told bullpen work is better for his long term career viability. IF not, hopefully he’s full go by spring. I doubt he’ll start any more games this year.

  127. 108 stitches August 7th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    S.I. once had an in-depth article on shoulder, elbow, and muscle issues and the consensus of most doctors and physicians was that the most unnatural thing to do in all of sports was to throw a baseball at consistent high velocity.
    There are only so many Nolan Ryans, Tom Seavers around that had perfect pitching mechanics that took strain off of what ails the average pitcher. Even then, they may have been a freak of nature.
    A pitcher is a ticking timebomb to go on the DL or have some kind of surgery during their careers. Few will ever escape it.

  128. evan August 7th, 2008 at 10:42 am

    ATTENTION!: Did everyone know that the last regular season game at the stadium(which is looking more and more like the last game ever there) is going to be broadcast on espn by jon miller and joe “yankee hater” morgan? This is ridicilous. I want our boys broadcasting the game!

  129. mel August 7th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    TKinDC,

    I was thinking last night (yes, I’m capable of stringing cogent thoughts together) about how Joba and Hughes are so “injury prone”.

    Kerry Woods, Mark Prior, and Mike Hampton are injury prone. A.J. Burnett is injury prone. Most, if not all, pitchers land on the DL either in the minors or the majors. The sample size is too small at this point to put either in the Woods, Prior, Hampton, Burnett, & Associates group.

  130. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Mel, I think that you’re a bit off about your Erin Andrews remark of her having “the look of a farm girl). I find that a girl who can pick her teeth (regardless of how many see has or doesn’t have) with straw is very sexy.

  131. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    ***”the look of a farm girl”***

  132. frits August 7th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    i like hughes just as much as the next guy, but the title “franchise” is probably a bit overblown at this point. lets see him go a half season of ball first.

  133. TKinDC August 7th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    Funny story I heard about Moose when he was an Oriole.

    He used to get very focused on his pitch count to the point where it really ticked off his pitch coach, Mike Flanagan.

    So one time when Moose was pitching in a jam Flanagan came out to the mound and asked him how he was doing – Moose asked Flanagan where he was on his pitch count.

    An irate Flanagan totalled up all Moose’s pitches in warm-ups, his bullpen before the game and before each inning and said ’250 – now are you going to finish this or what?’

    Moose stopped asking his pitch count after that. :)

  134. Bronxbyte August 7th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....hall051007

    Very interesting article that defies all logic of strict pitch counts.

  135. Bronx Jeers August 7th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    David Williams, the Ranger that collided with Pudge last night will be out 4 weeks. I really like Pudge. My heart got all fluttery when we held up that ball yesterday. Look for the way he stops a lot of potential wild pitches. It’s pretty cool that we get this opportunity to see this legendary catcher play for us. Hopefully he’ll make it back sooner than later. He said last night we should be ok for tonight but squatting with the monster charlie horse he has has got to be tough.

  136. mel August 7th, 2008 at 10:52 am

    GB7,

    So I guess you prefer Mary Ann over Ginger? :)

    Just saying on a scale of 1 to 10, Erin’s about a 7 and Giselle’s about a 12.

    I don’t know how Tom Brady can play football. Maybe she’s an operative sent by the Colts to distract him.

  137. TKinDC August 7th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    mel –

    I think (ok, I hope) that it is just the body having trouble adjusting to the stress of taking the ball every 5th day. I agree with SJ that there is a mental as well as physical aspect of it.

    Let’s just hope the young arms settle in and perform to their potential

  138. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    Bronx Jeers:

    Mussina’s pitching tonite. Doesn’t matter if Pudge is ready. He’s not catching.

    BTW, the young player from Texas is named David Murphy.

  139. mel August 7th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Bronx Jeers,

    David Murphy? I read that he stayed in the game but came out later with ligament damage.

    I was also shocked that he leads the league in several offensive categories for rookies.

    Boston lost a decent pitcher and good prospect in the Gagne deal. Too bad they won despite his contributions.

  140. William Buckner August 7th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Not to worry Bronx Jeers, Moose is going tonight so Jose was catching regardless. Good to hear Pudge will be ready for Angels. Hopefully he can help guide Kennedy through his return.

    Not to knock Posada, but the play last night was textbook plate blocking, probably the weakest part of Jorge’s game.

  141. mel August 7th, 2008 at 11:00 am

    TK,

    In re: to Joba. I hope it’s minor, so we can all move on. He really took to the role of the ace.

    Re: Hughes, he admitted to succumbing to the pressure. Also said something about not squandering this chance. Let’s hope that the third time’s the charm. He just has to trust his stuff and his defense.

    Notice how much the pitchers are walking batters in this series? They’ve got to stay aggressive as well as adjust to the officiating.

    Just like basketball, if they’re going to call it a charge don’t keep doing it. Senseless.

  142. Jack August 7th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    It’s just beyond bad luck that Yanks have so many injuries this year; plus their annual slow start in early season, we have to wonder, who should be responsible for this?

    They do have $200+M payroll, right?

  143. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    Mel, you’re right. Mary Ann was perfection. Besides her wholesome beauty, she had her daddy’s farm. I can just picture it now. Mary Ann’s in the kitchen, fixing my breakfast, before a hard day’s work, milking the cows. slopping the hogs, plowing the the fields. She looks lovingly at me with those big brown eyes, as I stumble out to the table, in my off-white (I think) drawers, 3 days growth on my face, scratching myself, about the crack of noon. Amazed by how much she can accomplish outside by that time. What a gal. My only complaint is that she tends to let herself go.

    Ginger is a tart. Not my type.

  144. pat August 7th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Red Sox claim Brian Giles off waivers from Padres. Has to be a block move to keep him from the Rays.

  145. ray (sox fan) August 7th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Guess it is old news, but the Rockies pick up Livan Hernandez. I thought for sure with Joba going down for a while that the Yankees would pick up Livan.

  146. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    I know this sounds nuts, and it would take GREAT diplomacy skills by the Yankees but, I would give real thought to moving Posada to first and signing Pudge in the off-season.

    Posada began his career as a second baseman. He has the hands to play first base. Tino Martinez thinks he could be a very good defensive first baseman. His bat, when is shoulder is healthy, is first base quality.

    I realize it would take an amazing amount of diplomacy skills by the Yankees to convince him to do it. Nobody has more pride on the team, or works harder, than Posada.

    However, a catcher coming off major shoulder surgery (his second shoulder surgery of his career) approaching 38 years old, is risky.

    Having Pudge and Molina behind the plate is certainly tantalizing.

    Just something I hope the Yankees are thinking about. Pudge really wants to stay and I think he would have no problems doing a 2 year deal. He took Boras out of the equation when he pushed a deal to the Yankees. Boras would have little or no impact on Pudge’s dealings with the Yankees in the off-season.

    That saves the Yankees from getting tooled in the Teixiera Derby and also leaves a lot of money on the table to address other weaknesses on the team.

    Not saying they should do it right now. Just hope they are thinking about it.

  147. mel August 7th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    GB7,

    You forgot the most important thing. She can roll her own tobacky. :lol:

    Too bad the kids don’t get to watch reruns of shows like Beverly Hillbillies, I Love Lucy, and I Dream of Genie like I did.

    How was it watching those groundbreaking shows in their original?

  148. Jerkface August 7th, 2008 at 11:11 am

    if you have 2 plus pitches, you’re not a reliever. Unless you lack stamina. Most starters don’t have 2 plus pitches.

    Phil can succeed with 2 plus pitches(look at Cole Hamels), but the emergence of his changeup and reintroduction of his slider will determine just how high he goes.

  149. frits August 7th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    SJ – i was thinking the same thing myself this very morning. posada can be ornery, so it would take a lot of diplomacy. and i know he’s going to come off the surgery with a chip on his shoulder (huh…thats kind of an inappropriate metaphor), but i have to think pudge/molina with posada at 1B/DH would be a great option. and we can use that extra cash that we would have blown on a 10 year/200M contract for teixeira to sign every pitching free agent on the market.

  150. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    Giles is a 10-and-5 guy… can’t be traded without his approval waivers or no waivers

    Brady can concentrate on football because Giselle is not playing center!

    Jorge has the same weakness as Jeter on tag plays… they take the throw too far in front of the base/plate and then sweep tag the runner. Pudge and Jose have better fundamentals by planting their left leg on the corner of the plate.

    I. too believe longevity for a starter is a combination of physical gifts, physical and mental toughness and goof fortune. Let’s hope the Yankees guys get more of all three.

  151. ray (sox fan) August 7th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    SJ

    The other day there was some baseball analyst on the radio (unfortunately can’t remember who) who was talking about the Yankees picking up Pudge.

    This guy was alleging that Detroit was eager to get rid of him because Pudge was doing things like refusing to meet with the pitchers before games to discuss strategy and pitch selection.

    Have you heard anything to that effect?

  152. mel August 7th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    SJ44,

    With the money they’re paying him, Jorge better do what’s best (easier said than done). But Jorgie’s his own person. If you didn’t have Jose it might be an easier sell. How smart was it to give Jose a 2 yr. deal? Didn’t realize how important Jose would be to us. And universally loved by all the pitchers. In fact he might be the deal breaker for negotiating with Moose.

    Jorge was adamant that he’s a catcher, but if he continues to get abused by runners eventually he would have to face reality.

  153. William Buckner August 7th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    SJ
    Said the same thing to some friends watching last nights game. Keeps roster much more flexable. Posada can still do some catching (and DH). Posada’s hitting and OBP are good enough or better then league avg 1B and his D would be no worse then Giambi’s has been. Plus the shoulder will be much less an issue.

    I think the key to remarking the roster is guys who can do multiple things, Posada could be in that mold. He would have to be sold on the idea though.

  154. JobaTIME August 7th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    evan
    August 7th, 2008 at 10:42 am
    ATTENTION!: Did everyone know that the last regular season game at the stadium(which is looking more and more like the last game ever there) is going to be broadcast on espn by jon miller and joe “yankee hater” morgan? This is ridicilous. I want our boys broadcasting the game!

    These two jacka–es should be limited to red sox games only!

  155. mel August 7th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    ray (sox fan),

    He explained all that in his presser. He was upset with Detroit because they wouldn’t give him the “C” to put on his uni. He said, “I vant da see, just like Tec. I want eberyone to know I am dee cacherrr”

  156. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Ray,

    He and Leyland’s relationship ran its course in Detroit. He did walk out of a pitchers meeting after he was told Brandon Inge was going to be the everyday catcher. Frankly, if I was him, I also would have walked out of that meeting.

    He, like a lot of guys, has a big ego. He’s also a workhorse and a MUCH better catcher than Brandon Inge.

    Just one of those things that happen when a relationship between a player and team runs its course.

    I have always had a lot of respect for Pudge. Like Posada, he’s a winning player. People criticize his gamecalling but, he didn’t seem to have big problems calling games to me in ’03 and ’06, especially in the post-season.

    Its amazing how “good” a catcher’s gamecalling is when you have good pitching! lol

    He’s one of those guys that can be a real asset for the Yankees next year, IMO. Mainly because you wouldn’t have to make a long term commitment to him.

    I would hate to lose him and have a situation arise where Posada’s shoulder is not healthy or not good enough to catch everyday.

  157. jennifer August 7th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    Jobatime, we should start a campign to get them removed from that broadcast. It is a travesty that two haters should be allowed to announce the closing of our stadium.

  158. William Buckner August 7th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    My predicted 2009 openning day lineup
    1. Jeter SS
    2. Cano 2nd
    3. Abreu RF
    4. Arod 3B
    5. Matsui DH
    6. Nady LF
    7. Posada 1B
    8. IRrod C
    9. Cabrera/Jackson/Gardner/ CF

    I see Damon getting traded. He would be very valuable in last yr of contract and the complete lack of OF FA. That could bring back some position prospects.

  159. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Mel, I love those shows. I watch them on TV Land and have mot of the DVD sets, along with the original “Superman” series, Time Tunnel, Green Acres and McHale’s Navy. Mary Ann won’t let me watch “Petticoat Junction”, though. I think that she’s jealous of BobbiJo.

  160. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    ***have got…*** this has me excited.

  161. mel August 7th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    SJ44,

    Seeing the dearth of good catchers, if Pudge doesn’t sign with us what are his prospects? Where does he end up? He’s still a starter, right? (making the Inge thing even more puzzling).

  162. Justin C. August 7th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    no way that lineup happens

  163. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (OH F*** IT JUST FIRE LONG ALREADY !) August 7th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    The Franchise has a chance to return, he’ll be on MILB.com tonight since the Scranton game will be televised. MAn I hope he puts a foot in his detractors mouths.

  164. JobaTIME August 7th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Jennifer i agree. If only that would work. I have never seen such outright bias in announcing from ‘independent’ announcers. If i was blind and didnt know i was watching ESPN, i would assume i was watching NESN.

  165. hmmm August 7th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    “Guess it is old news, but the Rockies pick up Livan Hernandez. I thought for sure with Joba going down for a while that the Yankees would pick up Livan.”

    they very well may have, but they never had the chance. the Rockies put in a waiver claim and (i think) they had priority over the yankees.

  166. Reality Check August 7th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Agree with Fredo, anyone who saw that Texas game last year remains a believer in Phil Hughes. He was unhittable that day. So it must be in there somewhere (saw it again in playoff game last year). And c’mon, he is 22. Disagree on the Jorge to first suggestion. Saw all the Angel games last weekend, and I came away bigtime impressed with Tex. Great plate discipline, power, presence and superb defense. Knew all this before, but seeing it in person for 3 days conviced me he is No. 1 target (assuming he has an interest in playing in NY (but OT’s Day festivities may have helped in that regard)).

  167. TKinDC August 7th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    SJ –

    Are you trying to hold down the fort until Monterro is ready at 1b/c? Seems rational to me.

    Tex is going to get PAID – especially if the Angels perform in the post-season and he contributes.

  168. Someone Else August 7th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    “they very well may have, but they never had the chance. the Rockies put in a waiver claim and (i think) they had priority over the yankees.”

    Nope, AL team has priority over NL team in this situation.

  169. Jeremy August 7th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    The scranton game will be televised? Can I watch this in NYC?

  170. hmmm August 7th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Giles is a 10-and-5 guy… can’t be traded without his approval waivers or no waivers

    i am not sure how they would count this, but Giles hasn’t technically been with the Padres for 5 years.

    he was traded to the Padres on 8/26/2003, so he still has a few weeks. but i am not sure how they measure those 5 years.

    here is his contract:

    “he receives a full NO-TRADE clause in 2006 and a limited NO-TRADE clause in 2007 and 2008 that allows him to veto trades to eight teams (BOS, BAL, DET, WAS, MIL, TAM, FLA and PIT)”

    interesting that Boston is listed

  171. V August 7th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    Hughes isn’t a better option at this point than Sid or Rasner. He was bad this year. He’s no savior.

  172. pat August 7th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    mel

    Pudge to the Sox would have to be a possibility.

  173. hmmm August 7th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    “Nope, AL team has priority over NL team in this situation.”

    gotcha. i couldn’t remember if it was the opposite league that got first shot, but i believe you are right.

  174. ray (sox fan) August 7th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Mel and SJ44,
    Thank you both for your informative responses. I appreciate it.

  175. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (OH F*** IT JUST FIRE LONG ALREADY !) August 7th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    It took Edison Volquez till age 24 to figure it out, to think Hughes is 22 and still w/ alot of upside left, it took Johan(now Ervin) Santana until age 26 to develope. I absolutely believe Hughes has alot of upside left it just depends on the adjustments they have made to his delivery.

    Guess it is old news, but the Rockies pick up Livan Hernandez. I thought for sure with Joba going down for a while that the Yankees would pick up Livan.

    Livan stinks just read his stats and thank god Colorado traded for him.

  176. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    hmmmm, That’s not true. Teams in the AL would have had priority over the NL teams on waiver claims for Hernandez.

  177. mel August 7th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    V,

    Hughes has the potential to be better than Sid and way better than Rasner. Phil and Darryl aren’t even in the same zip code.

  178. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (OH F*** IT JUST FIRE LONG ALREADY !) August 7th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    The scranton game will be televised? Can I watch this in NYC?

    Only on MILB.com

  179. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    “Giles is a 10-and-5 guy… can’t be traded without his approval waivers or no waivers”

    He’ll likely be pulled back which means he can’t be traded at all, I believe.

  180. Reality Check August 7th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Yes, Jeremy. But you need to subscribe to MiLB.TV.

  181. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    ok i am back to start another arguement.. lol.. Should the yankees keep pudge til 2009 since he is only here till the end of the year?? what happen to Molina? or do we keep 3 catchers??

  182. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 11:37 am

    “The scranton game will be televised? Can I watch this in NYC?”

    according to the link below, looks like the game is available thru milbTV for a small fee.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....p?sid=t531

  183. hmmm August 7th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Hughes isn’t a better option at this point than Sid or Rasner. He was bad this year. He’s no savior.

    “not better than Rasner” and “no savior” are not really the same thing.

    Hughes doesn’t have to be “a savior” to be better than Rasner.

    he just has to be “not awful”, which is what Rasner has been.

    it is very possible that he can return and be “not awful”.

    so what if he was “bad this year”? he was injured. and he wasn’t bad last year. all of the reports on his stuff have been very positive.

    as soon as he is ready he should replace Rasner.

  184. mel August 7th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    ray,

    Anytime. Always willing to help a closet Yankee fan.

    What is Boston going to do with Tek? Sign him and have a strong backup to help with the workload?

  185. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    i also think lil Melky should have went to the Twins for Johan. We can find someone else to run and catch a ball in Center.. melky has a hole in his bat..

  186. Kill-Schill(ing) August 7th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    I’d actually heard from an impeccable source that, before the Yankees engineered the Marte-Nady trade, the Yankees were pondering Giles as a relatively low-cost, replacement for Matsui.

    I can’t fathom why the Sux would want him unless they’re worried about Big Pati.

    *************************************************

    HMMN, I’m glad to see you this morning, for a change.

    What did you think of the post on your girlfriend’s site about Joba. Dr. Dale Beaverman was very critical of Pete’s interpretation of the injury and more sanguine than any other source I’ve read about the prospects of his return this year. Do they know something we don’t or are they just trying to be their contrarian selves?

  187. TOS August 7th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    What a joke. . .I guess to get all the praise around here you need to get injured two years in a row and do. . .not much of anything.

    But Melky, well he should just be DFA’d ASAP because he isn’t Bernie in his prime. . .

    Phil is cuter though, I can see the attraction for some of you guys. . .lol

  188. Y's Guy August 7th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    keep molina and pudge. i think until he shows otherwise, you can only count on posada in the dh/1b mix.

  189. mel August 7th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    Why would the AL have priority? Because he was placed on waivers by an AL team?

  190. stuart August 7th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    on the so called 2 pitch pitcher.. Garza and Jackson on tampa really are 2 pitch pitchers. CLiff Lee is a 2 pitch pitcher. If you have a very good fastball Lee(low 90′s) and locate it well you can be very good with 2 pitches. SUpposively Phil has 3 pitches…Volquez has 2 pitches

    The yanks have been beaten a bunch of times this year by guys with 2 pitches, I actually remember them losing to guys that threw over 80% fastball only in more then 1 game…

  191. mel August 7th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Let’s hope the mental health break works:

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

  192. MoBoy(aka McLovin) August 7th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Trust in Hughes yes.But Hughes and Kennedy is stupid.We did that and it blew in our faces.But at least we won’t have Hughes,Joba and Kennedy to start the season.

  193. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    i like pudge and very sorry for Jorge but i think it is time for him to learn 1b from donnie baseball

  194. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    The thing to wonder about if/when Posada switches to 1B is how he will handle it. Not just initially, his pride, the blow to the ego, etc… But did anyone notice the few games that he has played first base how involved he seems to be in discussions when the catcher comes out to talk to the pitcher? I’m not saying that’s good or bad, but if Pudge or Molina is the catcher, there’s probably a fine line between Posada helping or hurting those conversations, I would imagine.

    Part of it, I’m sure, was that it was early in the year and Posada still knew the Yankee pitchers better than Molina, perhaps… but you have to wonder if his leadership and pride also turns into somewhat of a control thing, and would he really let go of that control to whatever degree is appropriate.

  195. ray (sox fan) August 7th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    Mel,
    Closet Yankee fan….have to admit that you made me chuckle with that comment.

    I have no idea what Sox will do with Tek. I really, really don’t think they offer him a “Posada” contract even with Scott Boras being his agent. I think this is one of the biggest issues the Sox face for next year because Tek has been dismal when batting.

    On a different note, I said on a thread last night that I was sorry that perhaps your Christmas this year won’t be as happy. Celtics at Lakers on December 25th! lol

  196. gayle August 7th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Sorry to say I cant get all worked up about Miller and Morgan broadcasting the last game on television. There is a thing called the mute button and to be honest put the radio on as more so than our own TV people Sterling is the voice of the Yankees in terms of longest tenure I believe.

    I of course will be at the game so wont have to worry about any of it lol.

  197. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Exactly, Mel. The league that has the player being waived has priority be order of worse record. If he clears the league (goes unclaimed), the other league has their chance. If he’s not claimed, then he’s either released, traded, sent to the minors or pulled back from the waiver list. If he’s pulled back, he can’t be put on the list for 30 days. At that time, he can no longer be pulled back.

  198. mel August 7th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Just like pitchers, you can’t have too many catchers.

    I wonder if Boston would be interested in Pudge? Nah.

    Hey, did you guys know that the Olympics have started. Apparently there was a soccer game and the US beat Japan. Who knew?

  199. Kill-Schill(ing) August 7th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    Hey, Ray, how’s the bullpen performed recently? Who has Tito been using instead of Hansen?

  200. Reality Check August 7th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    Good news. Yankees plan to have Andrew Brackman pitching against live batters in a couple of weeks and in Hawaii this winter. Hopefully, he’ll have the same post-Hawaii experience in 2009 that Joba had in 2007.

  201. stuart August 7th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    yeah give up on Melky after all he is 24 and oonly been in over 300 games at the major league level.. he is washed up at 24, no chance of turning things around……

    baseball is populated with dozens and dozens of players that at first did not succeed or guys who had to reinvent themselves. IS there a guy named Mussina that looked done last year!!!!!!!

  202. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    “What a joke. . .I guess to get all the praise around here you need to get injured two years in a row and do. . .not much of anything.

    But Melky, well he should just be DFA’d ASAP because he isn’t Bernie in his prime.”

    Are you seriously considering Melky to Phil Hughes? I like Melky, but Phil Hughes gets praised for his ability, not for what he’s accomplished in the majors yet. He has shown (last year) what he’s capable of, and that’s what he gets praise for. And that praise is really more like anticipation of what he can BECOME more than anything.

    Melky is a good defensive centerfielder who has been terrible at the plate all year. All year. As someone who likes Melky, I’m not one to say he has no ability with the bat, he has shown decent ability with the bat before.. But it’s August 7 and he has shown almost no hitting ability this year.

    Phil Hughes projects to be a #1 or #2 starter. Most people think Melky projects to be a 4th outfielder. Not exactly a good comparison.

  203. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Yankees are more important than the Olympics.. only sure thing we have is josh phelps and Swimming.. US is not domimant in everything any more..

  204. Reality Check August 7th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Use to be so into the Olympics 20-30 years ago. Now, could care less. Sad. What broke the Olympics?

  205. mel August 7th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    ray,

    lol. I saw that and replied with, “No Posey, no win”. You realize Celtics are big time now? Playing the Lakers on Christmas Day is A-list. What a differece a year makes. lol. We’re hosting Old Man Oden. I don’t even think we have a full roster yet.

  206. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Stuart, baseball has a list of Joe Charboneaus and Bob Hamlins just as long. One or two years and they disappear.

  207. Bronx Jeers August 7th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    “Boston lost a decent pitcher and good prospect in the Gagne deal. Too bad they won despite his contributions.”

    100 % . Man Theo must be kicking himself on that one. He’s having a real nice year. Davis is having an awesome debut as well. Throw some pitching onto that team and they would do some serious damage. Seems like a decent group of guys as well.

    Jeez I remember last year’s deadline with Gagne and Tex. I was totally bummed out when Boston got Gagne. He was pitching great until he got to Fenway. And I honestly remember saying Who is this Joba character and WHY are we not moving him for Teixeira.?

  208. hmmm August 7th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Dr. Dale Beaverman was very critical of Pete’s interpretation of the injury and more sanguine than any other source I’ve read about the prospects of his return this year. Do they know something we don’t or are they just trying to be their contrarian selves?

    i honestly don’t know. i am not going to pretend to know anything about Joba’s medical situation.

    i *think* they took umbrage at Pete calling tendonitis a tear, which as i understand, it may not be.

    i am not an expert on any medical stuff, so i really have no idea. all i can do is cross my fingers.

  209. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    US started losing everything thats what broke the Olympics.. WE are not the BEST any more.. We cant even win in basketball that was our sport.. we need to send the whole knicks lineup over there to get a head start on the league.. i never thought i would see the day the hawks made the playoffs and not the knicks!!! Aw back to yanks please.. lol

  210. Blargh August 7th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    “What broke the Olympics?”

    We don’t really care for the glory of the nation as much as before, especially without a big rival to compete against (fall of communism and all that).

  211. Patrick â„¢ August 7th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    SJ44,

    I like your idea of Posada at 1B and Pudge at C going into the future. Defense would be greatly improved if Posada flourishes at first.

    The only issue is that Pudge is declining offensively and Posada probably will start declining as well. However, if they can hold down first and catcher for another few years the Yankees have some nice prospects coming up to take over. Laird, Romine, Montero and to a lesser degree Cervelli. Actually I could see Cervelli being the backup catcher after Molina’s contract is up.

  212. ray (sox fan) August 7th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Kill Schill

    The bullpen has actually done ok the last few games……and I am sure that has nothing to do with the fact that we have been playing Kansas City! Just kidding.

    Been using Manny Delcarmen some if needed in the 7th, Okajima some in the 8th, and the other day we even got the moth balls out and used Yankee and Giambi favorite Mike Timlin.

  213. al arodien August 7th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    “We here at blog headquarters still believe in Phil Hughes”

    Since when does your blog work from headquarters?!!! You are always on the run…. lol

  214. mel August 7th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Whatever your opinion of the Olympics is, I will always root for the US in international competition. It’s us against the world. I don’t care if it’s running without lifting your feet. Shooting at targets and walking in snowshoes. Watermelon seed spitting contest. Ryder cup. Whatever. Go USA. Go Yankees. And most of you know who I cheer for in the other two sports. :)

  215. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Politics and professional athletes ruined the Olympics.

  216. Reality Check August 7th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Bernie Williams did not hit over .268 until the year he turned 26. He did not hit over 12 HRs until year he turned 27. He did not reall become “Bernie Williams” until the year he turned 28 (in 1996). Not saying Melky will do the same, and he frustrates the hell out of me. But he IS young.

  217. Patrick â„¢ August 7th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    “Good news. Yankees plan to have Andrew Brackman pitching against live batters in a couple of weeks and in Hawaii this winter. Hopefully, he’ll have the same post-Hawaii experience in 2009 that Joba had in 2007.”

    Thats really good news, where did you hear it?

  218. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    watermelon seed spitting would be pretty gross but i think that would be funny to see televised..

  219. jennifer August 7th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    I thought the Olympics started tomorrow. It is only 12 am there now. 8-8-08

  220. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    Melky is better when AROD hits HR’s they do there little Jump around thing with Robbie and have fun. Melky is struggling so bad he is not having fun any more!

  221. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (OH F*** IT JUST FIRE LONG ALREADY !) August 7th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    Thats really good news, where did you hear it?

    Pinstripe Plus

  222. TKinDC August 7th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Is Dr. Dale Beaverman a real name or just a clever trap to get me banned from the blog by posting stupid jokes?

    :)

  223. Reality Check August 7th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Patrick, saw it on PinstripesPlus.com.

  224. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Maybe melky is MAD CANO got an offseason raise and he is still making 400k..

  225. Reality Check August 7th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Who the hell is Dr. Beaverman and where did he say stuff about Joba?

  226. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    TK, I think he’s the guy that started a restaurant called Beavers. It’s a little lower class than Hooters.

  227. Y's Guy August 7th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    i love jorge, but even yogi freakin berra got moved for the good of the team.

  228. mel August 7th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    jennifer,

    Looks like pool play has started with 8 games in the books. No more games until 8/10 5:00 ET.

  229. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    “Not saying Melky will do the same, and he frustrates the hell out of me. But he IS young.”

    I agree. I think Melky has show in the PAST that he’s got at least some ability, enough to at least carry his weight. But for whatever reason, he’s lost his plate discipline this year. I don’t know if there’s more to it than that, or if he will be a better hitter if he can be more patient at the plate, but it certainly seems like at least a possibility.

  230. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    “Who the hell is Dr. Beaverman and where did he say stuff about Joba?”

    Seems to me that was the name of a character in the 80′s flick St. Elmo’s Fire. Played by Andie McDowell, she was the medical babe being chased around by Emilio Estevez’s character.

    Just having now realized I never get the 2 hours back spent watching that drivel, I am excusing myself for a few minutes while I go puke.

  231. Blargh August 7th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    The opening ceremony is the 8th (nothing else takes place during the 8th)
    Futbol/soccer is the only sport with matches before that; guess it’s because it would’ve been a tight schedule. The futbol final is on the 22nd (and closing ceremonies are on the 24th).

    (Basketball on the other hand, basically runs from the 9th to the 24th)

  232. Kill-Schill(ing) August 7th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    Good stuff, Thanks, Ray.

    You too, Hmmn. I think Beaverman’s more precise explanation actually reconciles the seeming inconsistency. Tendonitis indeed can imply a tear, albeit microscopic tears in the tendon.

    I understand why the Yankees are intentionally opaque, if not downright dishonest about player’s injuries. Still, it’s frustrating nonetheless.

    I’m not fond of investing hope in quixotic dreams.

    The triumphalist in me would like to chide Cashman however. One of the reason I was so adamant about the Yankees trading for Santana and later for Sabathia is that, as Will Carroll’s BP study recently demonstrated, 22-24 yr old pitchers, are disproportionately prone to injuries.

    I hope the Yankees keep that in mind this off-season and offer Sabathia whatever it takes to sign him. I promise in return not to complain in the least when I receive the dramatic cost increase in my season ticket package for next year.

  233. pat August 7th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    “What broke the Olympics?”

    24/7 access to sports on TV. ABC Wide World of Sports, Monday Night Football and local sports coverage used to be what was generally available. The Olympics was something you made your schedule around. Now with TIVO and 24/7 sports coverage if you don’t see it all or see it live, you don’t miss out on the highlights.

    Sort of like many movies/shows when I was a kid- Wizard of Oz, Charlie Brown, Grinch- they weren’t available on tape/ DVD so it was appointment viewing when they were on.

  234. rconn23 August 7th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    Hughes will be fine if his velocity is back up to where it was last year before the injury. He reminds a lot of Mussina, and I mean the Baltimore Orioles version of Mike Mussina.

  235. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    before people jump on Jorge for not moving to first (which, as far as we know, he hasn’t been asked to do yet, given that he’s on the DL……..), let’s wait and see how he recovers from the surgery and see if that is even requested of him.

    When he was healthy, he didn’t entertain the idea of moving when asked about it by REPORTERS. If Cashman and Girardi were the ones making that request and he had physical reasons he won’t be as effective as a catcher, I’m sure he would be more open to it.

  236. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Yes, Freddie..I’m sure there are those that get the same feeling after reading your constantly negative posts.

  237. Kill-Schill(ing) August 7th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Doctor Dale Beaverman is the physician from a sitcom popular last decade, Cheers or Frasier, I can’t recall which.

    Pete’s hated rival site uses the moniker when, under the guise of expertise, they issue their own medical pronouncements.

    I can’t mention that site in this post because the spam filter will block it. Think about which site it could be. You’ll find your answer there, realitycheck.

  238. TOS August 7th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    “Are you seriously considering Melky to Phil Hughes? I like Melky, but Phil Hughes gets praised for his ability, not for what he’s accomplished in the majors yet. He has shown (last year) what he’s capable of, and that’s what he gets praise for. And that praise is really more like anticipation of what he can BECOME more than anything.

    Melky is a good defensive centerfielder who has been terrible at the plate all year. All year. As someone who likes Melky, I’m not one to say he has no ability with the bat, he has shown decent ability with the bat before.. But it’s August 7 and he has shown almost no hitting ability this year.

    Phil Hughes projects to be a #1 or #2 starter. Most people think Melky projects to be a 4th outfielder. Not exactly a good comparison.”

    I’m not comparing the players, I’m comparing how these players are judged by the fans and by this blog.

    Melky has not “done nothing” all year, he actually had a great April that had some people thinking he was on the way up. Since then, not so much. I agree, tough year, but sorry, I’m not ready to release him yet like so many others.

    Phil Franchise has missed huge chunks of the past two seasons. . .how has that helped the team? You can get all excited about Phil’s potential, but the baseball landscape is littered with guys that “projected” and had potential and amounted to not much anything. Then again, maybe we can pencil in Mark Prior for the Yankees rotation next year, he has/had potential. Hughes has pitched a handful of games and spent months on the DL, while Melky just goes out there every night and gives Girardi (and Torre) one constant on the lineup card, something both managers have desperately needed with all of the injuries. If that makes Melky “nothing” to some fans, then those fans need to get out of fantasyland and understand how hard the game of baseball really is.

    Potential doesn’t win ballgames, not when you’re hurt all the time. At least Melky stays healthy and plays. . .

  239. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Kill, would that be the “No More…I quit” site?

  240. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (OH F*** IT JUST FIRE LONG ALREADY !) August 7th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    damn first ball taken to the warning track and Johan hit 97 mph on the gun.

  241. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (OH F*** IT JUST FIRE LONG ALREADY !) August 7th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    87 mph *

  242. frits August 7th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    beaverman – http://tinyurl.com/5kuotq

  243. Kill-Schill(ing) August 7th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Here are two clues: (1) Roberto Duran. (2) Think about the Yankees prospect who once hit 21 and 23 home runs late in 1990 and 1991 and then never realized his potential because he couldn’t hit a breaking ball. Three years later he was out of baseball.

  244. Kill-Schill(ing) August 7th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Yep, Greenberet, you got it.

  245. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    “Hughes will be fine if his velocity is back up to where it was last year before the injury.”

    The movement on his fastball is as much or more important than the velocity. His fastball usually has great movement on it, but was very flat last year. Even at 93, 94, major league hitters will hit a straight fastball. He never threw 98…. (And for that matter, as we’ve seen with Farnsworth, even straight 98 gets hit if they’re sitting on it).

  246. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    very flat *THIS YEAR***

  247. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (OH F*** IT JUST FIRE LONG ALREADY !) August 7th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Rusty got word (Tilghman) was breaking 100-mph,” Astros scouting director Bobby Heck said. “We had an area scout go see him and then Rusty saw him, and he was hitting 95-mph and 98-mph.

    Astros sign 21 yr. old Iind League fireballer

  248. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (OH F*** IT JUST FIRE LONG ALREADY !) August 7th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Indy League * (sorry I’m at home)

  249. george August 7th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    looking at the schedule, there are a couple of days off coming up & the Yanks will be able to skip the 5th starter (Aug. 14 & 18). i think Hughes will make ther 8/17 start in the minors, as Moose currently projects to 8/17, and then Hughes pitches at Baltimore on 8/22.

  250. Keith August 7th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    BTW…. anybody realize what total loserdom NoM@ss has become?

    All they can do is rip on people. They’re like a bunch of junior high schoolers with no original thoughts.

    And, just maybe, Pete was saying its a tendinitis = tear not in medical terms, but because such has been the Yankee double-speak.

    F* NoM@ss!

  251. saucY August 7th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    that site jumped the shark

    whatifsports? oh boy!

  252. frits August 7th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    the website in question isn’t “loserdom” just because they feud with pete. they photoshop like nobody’s business. they’re funny. and their coverage of the draft has been second to none. they’ve scored interviews with draftees and have had scoops that i can’t find anywhere else.

  253. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (Please read my blog) August 7th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    I always loved Hughes. He’s probably my favorite at of the three young guys. I always loved Chad Pennington too, though.

  254. Keith August 7th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    The tone is so juvenile though. The photoshops are funny, but why bash another dude? Pete is so prolific, he is bound to make a mistake here or there.

    The tendinitis post could and should have been made without a dig on another writer/blogger.

  255. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (Please read my blog) August 7th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    “BTW…. anybody realize what total loserdom NoM@ss has become?

    All they can do is rip on people. They’re like a bunch of junior high schoolers with no original thoughts.”

    The word on the street is that my blog is the place to go!

  256. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    TOS, I can’t argue with what you’re saying about injuries and being out there… But even when talking about Melky, the conversation still has to be about potential. Yes he’s been healthy and he’s been out there, but his bat has not out there since April. He’s been a constant only because we haven’t had a better option. His being benched 3 out of the last 4 games or whatever it’s been shows that even Girardi is realizing we need more offense than he’s giving, and something has to change.

    And I am not one that is saying he should be released or traded either. I think he needs to wake up and hopefully this bench time will help do that. The problem is, I am not a hitting expert, so I don’t know if his patience at the plate is the problem, or if he simply can’t be any better with the bat than he is right now.

    My point about where they project, is simply that Hughes has already shown ability to dominate major league hitting. What he has to show now is that he can stay healthy. The reality is, neither player has lived up to their potential as of yet, nor should we expect that from a 22 and 24 year old.

  257. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    “I always loved Chad Pennington too, though.”

    Maybe he’ll sign with the Patriots (who badly need a legit backup) and those feelings will go away. (;

  258. mel August 7th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    The website in question wants to be recognized in the blogosphere as a legit site. Yet it has a personal vendetta for a beat writer. It really needs to be renamed firepeteabe.com

  259. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    Keith, perhaps it’s payback for their invasion of trolls on this site for no other reason than to trash everything.

  260. ANSKY August 7th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    I’m baffled by people who dismiss Hughes as a 2-pitch pitcher. Let’s see …

    A 2-seam fastball
    A 4-seam fastball
    A curve (see note below)
    A change
    A slider, which apparently he rarely if never uses but he could still throw it.

    One of the fastballs should have some sink to it & the other should move a different way. So do you call that 1 pitch or 2? Difference in velocity is only a few mph.

    I’ve seen him throw curves at a couple significantly different speeds, just a tick below 70 and somewhere in the mid-70′s. OK that’s 1 pitch but he varies the speed & maybe also how it bends.

    Change – OK thats 1 pitch.

    Slider – He doesn’t use it but it’s still 1 pitch unless he never uses it, ever.

    So I guess even if you lump the 2 fastballs together as 1, ignore the variations in speed on the curve, ignore that he can actually pull a slider out of his hat even if just once in a game. That’s still a fastball curve & change, which last I counted was 3 pitches. Where do you get that he’s just 2 pitch pitcher?

    But with 2 types of fastball, a curve, a change, good movement and the variation in speeds across his repertoire, that more like 4 pitches (or 3 depending on how you look at the fastballs) plus a range of over 20mph in speeds. All he has to do is throw away 1 or 2 sliders outside the strike zone every few games just to keep it in hitters heads too.

    And for the most part he knows how to use the primary 3 (4?) pitches. That will improve too, because of course anyone that age could always use a little more experience to his benefit. This will come with time.

    If he was nothing more than strictly 2 pitches, then yes perhaps it would be more important for him to have a few more mph on his fastball. Or you could say he should go to the bullpen, as someone here mentioned. But he’s more dymanic than that, so don’t dismiss him as being so limited (or virtually useless) if his fastball is only 92-94. If you do, you should learn something about baseball.

  261. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    oh boy

  262. saucY August 7th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    maybe it’s just me, but they really aren’t that funny anymore. and the anti-pete stuff is silly. pete’s probably responsible for a decent percentage of their visitors. it’s like they’re bitter of pete’s blog being more popular/credible. i disagreed with Pete’s take on tendonitis, but did they really need to get their panties in a twist and write an essay on it?

    and again, whatifsports?

  263. mel August 7th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    Brandon,

    Time to update.

    Does all of Santana’s scoring come off of solo HR?

  264. Keith August 7th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    Yeah, I don’t get it at all. Why have it out for Pete? Beacause he allegedly anonymously questioned their veracity/accuracy/sourcing in a draft blog once?

    Either way, it definitely makes them look like hacks and makes me want to visit their page less.

  265. 27 this year August 7th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Anyone think he might have done something to his rib and then pitched through the pain trying to be tough and made it worse?

  266. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Brandon,

    Time to update.

    Does all of Santana’s scoring come off of solo HR

    I’d say a third of them

  267. Andrew August 7th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    Also, the Mark Prior comparison is bull and is just a cop-out punchline that sounds just ominous enough to try and take the luster off who you perceive is everyone on this blog’s golden boy. Hughes had 3 random injuries in 2 years, and none of them had anything to do with his pitching arm. Your parallel doesn’t hold any weight, Prior blew his arm out and will never be the same as a result. Hughes’ arm has been gathering dust these 2 years because other parts of his body have let him down. If he or any Yankees prospect has to undergo a major arm surgery, then you can play the Prior card. Otherwise, you can stick to saying he’s fragile and whining about a double standard evident with the fan’s treatment of Hughes and Melky.

  268. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    “Does all of Santana’s scoring come off of solo HR?”

    honestly, if he’s going to give up HRs, those are the one’s to give.

  269. Y's Guy August 7th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    looks like the folks on those other blogs need eyeballs, so they always come here.

  270. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Anyone think he might have done something to his rib and then pitched through the pain trying to be tough and made it worse?

    I think it’s a combo the new mechanics they tried to get him to get used to and he probably hurt himself in Florida then pitched through all the pain w/o telling anyone. The Phil Hughes I saw in his rehab videos, has a more solid foundation and a more athletic leg stride. What a coincidence that he is now touching mid 90′s w/ a new stride off the mound.

  271. stuart August 7th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Green Beret 7 it works both ways.. The Kevin Maas and Joe Charboneaus the flash in the pans that do not last and the guys that come from no where or take a long time to put it all together.. Ludwick on St. Louis or CLiff Lee on Cleveland are in this caegory…

    I assume Melky will be a avg. outfielder but I have no idea. I am not Gene Michaels and I do not know what is inside Melky’s head and heart..Player eval is a crapshoot almost all the time..there are many many good or great players that took a while to develop…

    I hope this posts…

    No one knows, my only point is Melky is 24 and has done some good things in his 3 years in NY. He has competed on the big stage and does not appear to be scared…

  272. Y's Guy August 7th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    j. reyes, d. reyes, wright, beltran, tatis, d. murphy, catro, evans, santana.

    mets running the new murderer’s row out there today!

  273. dave August 7th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Assuming we let Giambi walk and don’t get Teixeria…

    Damon DH
    Jeter SS
    Abreu RF
    Rodriguez 3B
    Nady LF
    Cano 2B
    Pudge C
    Posada 1B
    Jackson/Melky CF

    or

    Jeter SS
    Abreu RF
    Nady LF
    Rodriguez 3B
    Matsui DH
    Cano 2B
    Posada 1B
    Pudge C
    Jackson/Melky CF

  274. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    when the Mets go Reyes, Beltran, Wright, delgado, they have as good a 1-4 as any team in baseball right now.

    they just are leaning on guys like Tatis to keep up his insane season, or Murphy, who’s a rookie with offensive potential, but obviously unproven.

    thats why i cant understand why they didnt make a bigger play for a corner OF… Manny would have been money in that lineup; Jason Bay, too.

  275. TOS August 7th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Chris,

    “My point about where they project, is simply that Hughes has already shown ability to dominate major league hitting. What he has to show now is that he can stay healthy. The reality is, neither player has lived up to their potential as of yet, nor should we expect that from a 22 and 24 year old.”

    Nice post, and you know I obviously agree. It will be nice to see if Hughes can pitch for a full season, but he’s already been set back for 2009 because he hasn’t gotten in enough innings this year. The clock is ticking on both of these players but at least Melky is on the field, while Phil gets hurt.

    Off topic, why has Hughes’ rib fracture never been explained? And why is that not a big controversy for this blog? It’s pretty hard to fracture a rib, but I’ve never heard how this actually happened. If he broke his rib pitching then you would think there would be some concern about his future. Something is being held back here. . .

  276. Mike Francesser August 7th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    what about a sexon/miranda platoon at 1st next year?

    sexon to kill lefties, miranda to kill righties.

  277. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    “sexon to kill lefties, miranda to kill righties.”

    that could work, if in fact Sexson could kill lefties, which he cant.

  278. ANSKY August 7th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Kennedy & Hughes are going to be the difference makers in the Yanks getting to the playoffs. No Jarrod Washburn, no Freddy Garcia … roll the dice with our boys and don’t look back. If they’re good, we’re good to go. If its snake eyes, we wait ’til next year. I can live with that.

    Anything from Joba down the stretch or in October would be a bonus, but at this point we have to look at it as if he’s coming back with Wang in the spring time. If Hughes & Kennedy produce like they’ve been showing they’re capable of as they climb their ways back, then we actually have a shot w/o Joba.

    Of course having Joba in the mix would be better than not having him, but I can wait until next year for that if there’s any risk to his future. Everyone else has to rise to the occasion or frankly they don’t deserve it.

    I really think they can. I don’t know if they will.

  279. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    “My point about where they project, is simply that Hughes has already shown ability to dominate major league hitting.”

    In spurts, yes. Consistently? No.

  280. TOS August 7th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Andrew,

    I never made a direct comparison between Hughes and Prior, I’m just saying that there are plenty of pitchers that come out to great fanfare and for various reasons don’t pan out. Was Phil’s rib injury a “freak”? I’ve never heard of anybody fracturing a rib by pitching. . .

    It’s a long path to success in major league baseball, which is why most guys don’t make it, either due to injury, immaturity, attitude, freak injuries, whatever. It’s awfully nice of everybody to give Phil Franchise the benefit of the doubt while he sits around, while at the same time trashing Melky for actually going out there and doing something, but it makes no sense.

    Again, I guess Phil is just so much cuter. . .

  281. Bronx Jeers August 7th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    RockinDaBronx
    “they should name a flower after Phil, since he is so precious and delicate.”

    There is a flower for Phil. The PHILodendron. It only blooms for a few weeks a year though.

  282. William Buckner August 7th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Tos,
    They never explained it because they don’t know when it happened. Hughes was on a new strength training program this year and it is widely believed weight lifting may have been the cause.

  283. Leo August 7th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    If we dont get Teixera put Nady at first and find a stud outfielder. No one wants to see a team with Posada at first and Molina/Pudge behind the plate. We would be going backwards offensively.

  284. GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    There are two new strains of flowers named RockDaBronx and Bronx Jeers. They are part of the Blooming Idiot family of flowers.

  285. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    “We would be going backwards offensively.”

    from what we have now?

    Pudge is an upgrade offensively behind the plate from Molina, and a healthy Posada, taking into cosideration Giambi as a full-time DH, is better than Sexson or Betemit, or whoever theyve run out there for the past couple years.

    if anything, Posada at 1B lengthens the lineup that much more if Pudge is retained.

  286. Wangawa August 7th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    We here at blog headquarters also believe in Carl Pavano.

    …Right, guys?? Who’s with me??

  287. S.A.-We need you back soon Phil Hughes. This offense is still offensive. August 7th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    We here at blog headquarters also believe in Carl Pavano.

    **crickets**

  288. hmmm August 7th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Off topic, why has Hughes’ rib fracture never been explained? And why is that not a big controversy for this blog? It’s pretty hard to fracture a rib, but I’ve never heard how this actually happened. If he broke his rib pitching then you would think there would be some concern about his future. Something is being held back here. . .

    i think it’s very possible that the Yankees don’t really HAVE an explanation.

    the problem is that no one, including Phil himself, knows WHEN it happened.

    if i had to guess, i’d guess he hurt his side somehow in his new pre-season workout routine, and then altered his motion just enough to cause a stress fracture.

    i don’t think it’s necessarily that the Yankees are withholding information.

    just a guess though.

  289. ANSKY August 7th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    I’m trying to think of the offense next year with with an OF that includes Nady in left, maybe Abreu in RF, anyone better than Melky in CF (possibly Damon but I’m open to ideas) with Matsui as the 4th OF / DH.

    Not bad. They should all hit over 300. Abreu’s not doing it now but he should. Life would be good with no sub-.250 hitter and no AAA LFs hitting below the Mendoza line.

    How’s Pudge’s knee doing, Pete? Out for a few games with a bruise but he’ll be OK?

  290. 27 this year August 7th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Dave,

    Not a chance A-Jax plays in NY until at least August of next year. Probably, he wont play til 2010. They have Gardner, Christian, and Melky who will have to hold down the fort until A-Jax is ready but they are not going to rush him because hitters are a lot tougher to develop and you don’t want to screw around with them.

  291. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 7th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Someone mentioned Juan Miranda – chances are he should be getting his cup of coffee with the big club this September, right? He’s a flawed player for sure, but he can REALLY clean up against righties. I’d like to see what he can do at the big league level and also hope the Yankees consider the possibility of platooning him in the bigs next year.

    But not with Sexson. His success against LHP this year is a fluke, in his career he has actually hit righties better. If anything, let Nady get the starts at 1b vs lefties and then play him in right the rest of the time.

  292. RalphieD August 7th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    johnathan mayo says the yanks are unlikely to sign scott bittle…how come?

  293. andy Hawkin's ghost August 7th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Given the team’s recent mismanagement of pitchers development, I think this 60-to-80-to-whatever jump in pitch count for Phil on a rehab assignment seems dangerous. Folks, this season ended for good the other night with Joba out. The team needs to be smart and think about ’09. Move the kids slowly along and determine who they keep for next year and who they don’t. Can Cano bounce back? Is Melky worth anything? Re-sign Abreau? Get Girardi a bench coach who has some experience? Get another starter? If we miraculously make the playoffs, the fact remains this team is NOT World Series caliber. That’s as plain as day. All this talk of rushing Joba back and seeing Hughes in NY in two weeks seems, well, desperate. We’ve lost two major offensive cogs and our two best starters. It’s OK to not make the playoffs once every 15 seasons, especially with those circumstances.

  294. Andrew August 7th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    “Was Phil’s rib injury a “freak”? I’ve never heard of anybody fracturing a rib by pitching. . .”

    Okay, so then you’re answering your own question. If you unknowingly break a rib weightlifting or stretching or reaching for a pen you dropped or however he did it, then try to pitch in the major leagues for a month and can’t do it, that sounds like a freak injury to me.

    “It’s awfully nice of everybody to give Phil Franchise the benefit of the doubt while he sits around, while at the same time trashing Melky for actually going out there and doing something, but it makes no sense.”

    The reason people are trashing Melky is because they see Melky go 0-for-4 day after day after day. If Hughes wasn’t injured and was still pitching to the 9.00 ERA he put up in April, he would be getting trashed too. The reason he’s getting the benefit of the doubt is that he’s performed when it’s been certain that he’s healthy. This isn’t school we’re talking about, you don’t receive brownie points just for showing up. In Melky’s case, fans are ripping him because they’ve actually gotten sick of him showing up every game, plain and simple.

    The benefit of the doubt will dry up if Phil fails in his second go-around in the Bronx this year, of if he continues to get hurt all the time. The luster will come off without you trying to rub it off, TOS, if history (both from April in terms of his performance, and from the last 2 years in terms of his injuries) repeats itself.

  295. hmmm August 7th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    It’s awfully nice of everybody to give Phil Franchise the benefit of the doubt while he sits around, while at the same time trashing Melky for actually going out there and doing something, but it makes no sense.

    sure it does, if you are evaluating TALENT.

    Hughes has a ton of talent.

    Melky doesn’t appear to have nearly as much talent.

    it is perfectly logical to be more patient with one player than the other.

    you are letting your personal feelings towards Melky cloud what it is a pretty straightforward argument.

    put it this way: isn’t Igawa actually going out there and “doing something”? he has never been injured either.

    yet he hasn’t performed, so he is criticized. same as Melky.

    i want Melky to do well, but he has been just terrible this season and he has actually gotten worse every year he has been in the majors.

    i’d love to hear how that is not fair game for criticism.

  296. Bronx Jeers August 7th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    GreenBeret7A August 7th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    “There are two new strains of flowers named RockDaBronx and Bronx Jeers. They are part of the Blooming Idiot family of flowers.”

    Sorry, I just couldn’t lay off that easy set up.

    Trust me, Id be more than happy to be “Blooming Idiot” of the century to see Phil succeed here.

  297. Leo August 7th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Posada behind the plate is one of the best offensive catchers out there Posada at first base is average at best and most likely below average in terms of what other first basemen produce. You need to get monster production out of your first basemen and Posada hitting 20 homers doesnt cut it. They will not resign Giambi to be a full time DH they want to go younger. If anyone is penciled in as the DH next year it would be Matsui who cannot play the outfield anymore. It doesnt make sense to have Pudge behind the plate hitting .300 with 7 homers when you have have Posada behind the plate hitting .300 with 20 homers.

  298. TOS August 7th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    William Buckner,

    Thanks, that’s about all I’ve heard. I lifted weights fairly consistently two years ago (like 3 days a week) with a trainer and I still don’t buy that explanation. It takes a lot of force to fracture a rib (think like a car crash), probably more than the force that can be self-generated while lifting weights, even if you were benching a lot of weight.

    But seriously, if Phil’s bones are that brittle, that he breaks bones lifting weights, shouldn’t everybody be a little concerned (which they don’t appear to be publicly)? Doesn’t make sense.

    Of course if golden boy Phil was messing around with a teammate or friend and broke a rib they wouldn’t want that public I guess. . .

  299. george August 7th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    the shots No Ma@s takes at Pete are fairer than the shots Pete always takes at A-Rod and Girardi. plus No Ma@s gets style points for their humor – they’ve a Mad Magazine approach that kills me.

    overall Pete does a good job. he works hard. but too often, Pete abuses his platform to express his likes and dislikes. if you were a kid and got all your Yankee commentary from this blog, you’d think A-Rod was an awful player, Girardi a serial liar, and Jason Giambi was the 2nd coming of Lou Gehrig. (Pete sometimes writes as though he’s on the Giambi PR payroll)

  300. 27 this year August 7th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    Andrew brought up an interesting point,

    Hughes’s injuries never had anything to do with his pitching arm. He has no elbow, or shoulder injuries which bodes well. The one thing that affects a pitcher most is injuries to his arm and that never happened.

  301. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    “In spurts, yes. Consistently? No.”

    Agreed. But the in-consistency, I have to believe can be attributed to 1 or both of 2 things:

    1. youngest pitcher in the game whose mechanics they were changing (that’s really 2 things, sorry…).

    2. we don’t know when the rib injury really happened or whether or not that had an impact on his pitching

    What we do know is, injuries aside, he has consistently dominated at every level he’s pitched (after initial adjustment periods), until this year.

  302. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    johnathan mayo says the yanks are unlikely to sign scott bittle…how come?

    Yankees believe their post-draft physical has found a rather significant shoulder problems. Obviously, Bittle says he is fine and wants a huge amount of $$$… the Yankees are wise to walk away unless he lowers his demands.

  303. Betsy August 7th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Phil is not going to pitch tonight, no way. The rain is coming down in torrents here on LI and there’s lightning as well. The forecast in Scranton is for scattered thunderstorms throughout the night. Even if they play (highly doubtful), there is no way the Yankees send Phil out there. If they do, they ought to have their collective heads examined.

  304. Awesome August 7th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    is Nady signed to 2009?

  305. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 7th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Oh, but come to think of it, the only problem with platooning Miranda at 1st is, his defense is really awful. From what I hear, he could even end up costing us more runs than Giambi.

    Has anyone ever actually seen him play 1b though? I haven’t, every time I’ve seen him he was the DH. So to those who have, on a scale from 1-10, how bad is his D exactly? What in particular does he struggle with and has he improved any throughout his time with the organization? More importantly, is his defense so bad that he could never play in the field at the MLB level?

  306. hmmm August 7th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Given the team’s recent mismanagement of pitchers development, I think this 60-to-80-to-whatever jump in pitch count for Phil on a rehab assignment seems dangerous.

    and what are you basing this on?

    nothing? gotcha.

  307. 27 this year August 7th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    off topic

    Earlier this season we talked about how bullpens should be made. Well, take a look at the Indians. Last year, they had two dominant pitchers, Betancourt and Perez but this year, both of them are horrble. Usually the best bullpens just have guys that are hot and have a good year but building a bullpen year to year is tough as these players change.

  308. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    “The one thing that affects a pitcher most is injuries to his arm and that never happened.”

    Leg injuries can also cause pitchers to alter their mechanics, which can lead to arm injuries… Hughes’ injuries could have just been bad luck. Or he could be fragile. Time will tell. Hopefully Pettitte’s example will have him working out more to better prepare his body and prevent injury. He also did come into spring training in great shape, so I’m not assuming he needs to work out more. But maybe it would help.

  309. 27 this year August 7th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Awesome,

    He has arb this year but his free agency kicks in at the end of next year I believe.

  310. hmmm August 7th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    is Nady signed to 2009?

    yes, he has one year of arbitration left, so the yankees control him through 2009.

    he’ll make about $7M next year.

  311. 27 this year August 7th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Chris, I understand that leg injuries can change a pitcher but shoulder and elbow injuries can prevent them from ever being the same or coming back again. Leg injuries just take a fix in mechanics but rarely take a career away.

  312. Betsy August 7th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    SJ44, can you please clarify your comment about Phil needing to be tougher? I don’t understand what he’s done that shows he’s not tough. The kid I saw come into a packed YS against the Indians and spin 3 plus innings of terrific baseball is plenty tough. That’s a situation that even many a veteran would have melted down in. I have absolutely no doubts about his ability to handle the big stage….just at this point, he’s a bit physically fragile.

    I really can’t wait for Phil to show the naysayers why he was the #1 pitching prospect in baseball. If he’s fully healthy and back to his usual self, I see no reason why he will not be an ace.

  313. Matt-LI (The Real X-Games) August 7th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    “is Nady signed to 2009?”

    Yes. Becomes a FA in 2010.

  314. jennifer August 7th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    You can break a rib with a sneeze!! That is why it is called a freak injury.

    I know someone who messed up their shoulder catching a door. Moose injuried is foot last year taking a awkward step down the stairs.

  315. RalphieD August 7th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    “Yankees believe their post-draft physical has found a rather significant shoulder problems. Obviously, Bittle says he is fine and wants a huge amount of $$$… the Yankees are wise to walk away unless he lowers his demands”

    thanks brandon

  316. migames August 7th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    when you hear people use these words to describe ballplayers, they usually are offering their opinion based on emotion and nothing else: tough, heart, energy, intangible, rudyesque, grinder, clutch, and shelly duncan

  317. sunny615 August 7th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    “Pete abuses his platform to express his likes and dislikes.”
    ———–

    I don’t understand this sentimentality here. How can anyone abuse the platform of a BLOG??? A blog is, by nature, a forum for opinions, including Pete’s. How can anyone abuse something that was made for it?? If you don’t agree with Pete’s opinion, I’m certain you are free to express your disagreement so long as it’s civil but disagreeing with Pete’s opinion doesn’t make anyone wrong or abusive. I don’t agree with a half of Pete’s opinions, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like coming here. Or I don’t share my own counter-points. If he doesn’t censor my opinons – why should I hold that candle to him?? It’s a blog not a newspaper article. Get over it.

  318. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (Please read my blog) August 7th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Many people seem to forget that Hughes just turned 22. He’s still getting stronger. Many young players (in all sports) experience injuries (including freak ones)early in their career, then end up being quite durable once they get a little older.

  319. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    “is Nady signed to 2009?”

    Yes.

  320. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    as is Marte. that is why Cashman was willing to give up decent prospects.

  321. Boycott the 2008 Olympics August 7th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    LoL, o yeah, Phil Hughes, the Big Flop, I almost forgot about him. LOL.
    But good to see you’ve dropped the “Phil Franchise” silliness, Pete, and lowered your expectations too. LOL.

  322. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (Please read my blog) August 7th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    “You can break a rib with a sneeze!! That is why it is called a freak injury.

    I know someone who messed up their shoulder catching a door. Moose injuried is foot last year taking a awkward step down the stairs.”

    100% absolutely true story. I knew a girl who broke two ribs having sex.

  323. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    “Many people seem to forget that Hughes just turned 22.”

    People forget that about Joba too. These guys are still very young. Easy to forget, given how they carry themselves, given their abilities, and their composure on the mound.

    Add to that, so many Yankee fans expecting perfection, and it’s easy to lose site of the fact that these are rookies who have reached the majors, and had some impact (especially Joba…), earlier than most young pitchers do.

  324. sunny615 August 7th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Which decent prospect did Cashman give up for Marte/NAdy?

    The closest thing to decent was Tabata who was a head case that went from being a 5 tool player to about a 2 1/2 tool player to just a tool. Don’t get me wrong, I hope Tabata recoops and matures (a lot) and gets back on the horse, but it didn’t seem like he was working out here. (Maybe he was another Contreras).

  325. sunny615 August 7th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    100% absolutely true story. I knew a girl who broke two ribs having sex.
    ——————–
    If it was with you, I have a new hero.

  326. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Many things to react to….

    1. Posada needs to catch. The Yankees don’t need eanother mid-30′s catcher making millions. Sign a stop gap like Barrajas or David Ross to buy Jorge time. Both are good enough hitters to be a RH DH on occasion.

    2. When you discuss the $$$ involving signing other players remember the Yankees have about $ 90 million coming off the books and both Steinbrenners have made it clear they intend to remain players in the free agent marketplace. I’d spend $ 20 M on Teixiera long before I’d spend $ 13 M on Pudge.

    3. Those who sour on young players after two injuries or three lousy starts are the ones who deserve to have to see Andy Hawkins and Ed Whitson in the rotation.

    4. The Olympics has faded as an event for several reasons but to me the biggest are the 1980 US Boycott, the 1984 Soviet Boycott, the breakup of the Soviet Union and the exposing of rampant professionalism throughout. The two boycotts meant we went from 1976 to 1988 without having a full field for the games. The breakup of the USSR and reuniting of Germany eliminated the good versus evil sub plot that added emotion and knowing that our top swimmer is a millionaire and that ALL Olympic athletes are chasing $$$ takes away our purist naivete’. The Dream Team hurt us too… sure it was great to win Gold, but watching that team play was like watching your Doberman beat the crap out of the neighbor’s poodle… you like the result, but it wasn’t actually competition.

  327. Phil August 7th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Nardi Contreras was the one who said Hughes looked like the 2006 version the other night. But what the hell does he know about Yankee pitchers?

    Also, Joba’s future remains in the rotation.

  328. Y's Guy August 7th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    betsey, the weather this midday on long island has nothing to do with the weather tonight in scranton, where currently it is not raining and there’s only a 50% chance of rain throughout the gametime.

  329. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Boston winning the claim on Giles means all NL teams passed on Giles, as well as most AL teams. WOW one of the best OBP % guys in the league is heading to Boston :?

  330. sunny615 August 7th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Nardi Contreras, also a former major league pitching coach, is in charge of the development of the Yankees’ minor league pitchers.

  331. Betsy August 7th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Y’s guys, thanks for the updated. Weather.com indicated that it would be pouring basically all night – I hope that’s not true as the weather won’t be any better tomorrow.

  332. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Sunny615— Whose ribs did she break? Yours?

  333. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Where would Giles play in Boston?

  334. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 7th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    “100% absolutely true story. I knew a girl who broke two ribs having sex.”

    Didn’t Marilyn Manson break his ribs trying to….eh, nevermind. This is a family friendly blog.

  335. OC Yankees Fan August 7th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    George:

    I think it is vital that you make a distinction between what Pete does on this blog, and the stuff which he submits to his newspaper (his employer). The latter is not the place for opinion–nothing but the facts as you find them.

    But a blog is by its very nature a place to flesh out stuff that doesn’t belong in a hard news story. That means expressing opinion, provoking discussion, and just plain having fun.

    The fact that so many of us come here and take the time to read everything Pete writes-despite all the trolls and idiocy spewed out by many of those who regularly comment here–stems from the fact that Pete does one heck of a job. Editing a blog (I have a blog in my own field–a controversial one at that) is like herding cats. It is not easy! Trust me, Pete runs a great blog.

    Yes, I laugh at the stuff on NoMaas. But the digs they take at Peter are usually pretty tacky (certainly not like the stuff they post about the Bo-Sox) and not necessary–the ole-greened monster seems to be rearing its head over there far too often.

  336. Andrew August 7th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    So Boston is going with 5 OFs now?

  337. sunny615 August 7th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    sorry 86w183 – that was taken from Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (Please read my blog)
    August 7th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    100% absolutely true story. I knew a girl who broke two ribs having sex.

    ———–

    you’ll have to ask him. :-)

  338. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Where would Giles play in Boston?

    My guess is he takes over for Ellsbury. And Ellsbury comes off the bench.

  339. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the clubhouse? August 7th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    when is hamilton a free agent??

  340. sunny615 August 7th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Giles can block a trade to Boston. I don’t think he’s going. Especially if it means less playing time.

  341. sunny615 August 7th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    From MLBTR.com:

    “Giles can veto a trade to Boston, and he might simply because his playing time could be reduced. Also, I have learned that Giles would still be able to veto a straight salary dump. The Padres can’t use this situation to sneak around Giles’ no-trade clause.”

  342. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 7th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    if Giles can block the trade, I bet he will. Not only would it be less playing time but iirc he said he did not want to be traded at the deadline. He seems Madduxesque in his devotion to the NL and love for the West Coast.

  343. Glenn August 7th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Josh Hamilton is under the Rangers control until 2012.

  344. RayBlay August 7th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_tbyafa_1

    can someone take a look at tis line score and tell me if it makes sense

  345. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    when is hamilton a free agent??

    Try when he turns 34

  346. William Buckner August 7th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Betsy,
    I’m in Scranton right now, the weather is fine and should be for the game.

    TOS,
    I’ll be honest, I’ve never heard of injury that way either, but if he was doing core training to improve explosive movements, which is likely, it possible to injure hips, abdominal, lower back, or ribs.

  347. sunny615 August 7th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Hamilton will be a FA when he’s 34 IF Boras is NOT his agent.

  348. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 7th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Injury bug: Maybe a better question is, when does Hamilton get frustrated with the complete and utter lack of pitching in Texas and demand a trade to the Yankees?! :D

  349. pat August 7th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Giles claim had to be an attempt to block the Rays.

  350. sunny615 August 7th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    that would be my guess as well pat.

  351. Tank August 7th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    IMO, Brandon I think they just did it to block the Rays.

    Giles also has a limited NTC and Boston was on that list (as was Tampa, ironically).

  352. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Paul Byrd cleared waivers.

  353. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Tank that dirty rotten Red Sox team :lol:

    BBB umm Texas has some nice young pitching coming up soon.

  354. steve August 7th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    How are we going to work around the innings limits of Hughes/Joba next year?

  355. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    ….It also is rumored they will go after Sheets or Sabathia hard this offseason

  356. Jerkface August 7th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    San Diego has said they do not want to trade Giles, just because he is claimed does not mean Boston gets him. That only happens if they put him on waivers for a second time(it becomes irrevocable).

  357. ellen August 7th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    According to SportsCenter, the Bosox are concerned about Lowell’s health.

  358. Ian August 7th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Pending Pinstripes interviewed recently signed prep pitcher Brett Marshall. Sounds like a good kid! http://www.mvn.com/milb-yankees

  359. Tank August 7th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Brandon– Who, the Sox?

  360. Jeter2007 August 7th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    i still believe in phil

    this bad talk about him is funny

    he will prove everyone wrong

  361. saucY August 7th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    “Pete abuses his platform to express his likes and dislikes.”

    like sunny pointed out, this is his platform.

    Jeter can have a 10 RBI night or Girardi could have a night where he has Molina bunt to lead off an inning and those guys wouldn’t say a peep about it.

    i’ll continue to read both sites, but the other site isn’t as good as it once was, IMO…

  362. radnom August 7th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    @Tank

    I believe he was referring to the Rangers.

  363. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Giles has $ 11 M reasons to accept the trade if it’s finalized. If Boston will guarantee his option, that is.

  364. Patrick â„¢ August 7th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    I highly highly doubt Giles will be traded to Boston. The Padres will probably just pull him back off waivers or refuse to work out a trade. Even if they did trade him Giles has to sign off on it.

  365. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    “I knew a girl who broke two ribs having sex.”

    Freak, or freak injury? You decide…

    Sorry, had to…

  366. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    “Chris, I understand that leg injuries can change a pitcher but shoulder and elbow injuries can prevent them from ever being the same or coming back again. Leg injuries just take a fix in mechanics but rarely take a career away.”

    Agreed, was just adding to what you said, not contending it…

  367. Pepitone August 7th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    “And by the way, not everybody is a Mariano Rivera. A Mariano Rivera is a once in a lifetime pitcher. Us Yankee fans have been spoiled, to say the least, having a closer like him shut down our ballgames. New York is in for a rude awakening when that man retires.”

    Rarely have more truer words been spoken.

    Oh, and one more thing…Phil Franchise, PHIL FRANCHISE, phil franchise, PHILLY FRANCHISE.

    sorry, but my inner child just had to express himself.

  368. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    “Which decent prospect did Cashman give up for Marte/NAdy?

    Maybe we have different definitions for the term “decent.” You think they were all lousy? Karstens nearly threw a perfect game and is a serviceable pitcher (ie. decent). Tabata, if someone can help him grow up and he gains some desire to actually play hard, can be FAR more than decent.

    They were all “decent” prospects, which is to say “ok,” not great or even good.

  369. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    The point being, we sent them several prospects for 2 players that were not rentals. Had they been rentals, we would have sent even less.

  370. ANSKY August 7th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    You knew a girl who broke ribs during sex? Wowza … I only knew a girl who broke wind during sex.

  371. sunny615 August 7th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    ANSKY – I hope it wasn’t with you…

  372. Tom Gaffney August 7th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Phil can come in and be successful this year, but I’d rather he stay at AAA if possible. He was incredibly unlucky in his 6 starts this year. He was spotting his heater really well, but was getting squeezed by umps and guys were flaring little bloops and seeing eye grounders. His BABIP was .395!!! That’s ridiculously unlucky, especially considering the fact that few of the balls were hard hit.

    His k/9 was very low for him (mid-5′s) and he was only throwing 2 pitches, so I theorize that he needs to develop the changeup in a nice, low pressure environment like AAA where he can feel free to make mistakes and experiment with pitches he doesn’t have confidence in, yet. I think that a major league return would set back his development because he won’t be able to work on his changeup at all. With the change adding to his arsenal, he should be able to fool hitters more, miss bats and get the k/9 up. Keep him down.

  373. lou pinella August 28th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    HUGHES DOES NOT HAVE THE STUFF OR THE MAKE UP TO BE A MAJOR LEAGUE PITCHER….HES AAA AT BEST,,,AN OVERRATED NOTHING

  374. Julio Valdez September 2nd, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Exceptional. Good work!!


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