But I’m sorry to break the bad news to you, but in this case, there is ZERO evidence to argue that the Yankees aren’t telling the truth. When there’s no evidence that a team is not telling the truth, and people make it seem like they are probably lying, that’s a borderline conspiracy theory.

You keep bringing up Wang. Stop, it’s a horrid example. The guy fell into Robinson Cano’s arms before being carried off the field and said after the game that he was in horrible pain. Did the Yankees really trick you on that one by saying they had to see what it was and they hoped he’d be back before the season ended? You weren’t worried at all when he was jumping around like he had just broken his foot?

Again, if they showed us some actual evidence that could help prove the Yankees weren’t telling the truth, then maybe we’d buy it, but just basing it on other completely separate injuries is naive, if you want to talk about being naive.

When a player continues playing and sees no drop in velocity, isn’t worried himself, says he thinks it’s only a minor injury, and then Dr. Andrews says it’s a minor injury, I’m sure along with the Yankee doctor, I’m going to tend to believe all those people that it’s a minor injury. Again, that’s actual evidence compared to your evidence which is: “teams like and oh yeah, look at Wang”.

Wang and Hughes’ injuries weren’t thought to be serious BEFORE he went to the doctor. Posada’s injury status was known but they thought he would be able to play through it. Bruney is BACK so they were right about that.

You have to calm down with your negativity and skepticism. If you’re going to do your job as a journalist you should try to keep some objectivity and that includes accepting what you are told by the people you are getting the story from. You haven’t spoken to James Andrews or Stuart Herschon so all you are going off of is speculation and hearsay. Give it a rest already.

Jorge was saying the whole time he couldn’t get anything on his throws, that he had no strength in his arm. Joba was saying that his arm strength and velocity were fine. Trainers said that his strength tests were good that night as well.

Again, I may still be trying to find the silver lining in a cloud that has loomed over the team the entire season. But, that’s just me…

Teams lie about injuries. They do. Doesn’t make them bad people but, its how many of them roll these days in professional sports.

Its worse in college sports. They hide behind the HIPPA laws when discussing injuries to their players. At the professional level these days, teams just eliminate the excuse and lie instead.

Geez, you have been given NUMEROUS examples in this thread and others at how the Yankees have been caught lying in these scenarios numerous times during this season.

One of the most respected guys on the team (Moose) even offered the caveat of, “if that he what he REALLY has” before talking about Joba. Why do you think he did that?

Do you not think he hasn’t had the experience of seeing teams be less than candid when discussing injuries?

Reject any of us who question the Yankees when it comes to truthfulness about injuries. You now want to question and 18 year, borderline Hall of Fame player who offers the same caveat many of us do when discussing Joba’s injury?

I get the fact some of you are such big fans that you can’t concieve how the Yankees would do such a thing. Or, you live in a fantasy world and believe the beat writers have no right to this information and they should just be thankful they have the “privilege” to be gracing Yankee Stadium on game days. Unfortunately, that’s not how it works in the real world.

The writers are an extension of the fan base. They deliver the news to the fans. Its how fans stay informed. The team knows this and that’s what makes the sports world go’round.

If you have such disregard for the beat writers job, why visit here or other blogs for information? Why not just go to yankees.com and wait for press releases from the Yankees and receive information from the team that way? You can convince yourself its all you are entitled to, the information (at least in your mind) would be 100% accurate, and you won’t ever have to question a thing.

You don’t do that because you want information about this team and its players. Every day. Sometimes, more than once a day. So, you do you suppose you get it? You get it from guys like Pete, who bust their ass to develop sources to give you accurate information. They deliver that information to you on a fairly frequent basis and that’s why many of you are able to learn about the team.

Doesn’t mean they are always correct. Some of you on this blog are what I call “selective scorekeepers”. You have no problems calling Pete and others on the carpet when they are wrong. Yet, you don’t apply the same scorekeeping principles with the Yankees.

Pete, Kepner or any of us who question the Yankees honesty about these matters are not looking to draw and quarter the Yankees. We are just telling you that in professional sports, team lie about injuries.

Its not always for strategic reasons either. Its because they want to control the flow of information that is released. Its like one big game. Sometimes, in their desire to control information, they create bigger problems for themselves. It happens in politics and it happens in sports.

When you see Brian Bruney and Chien Ming Wang struggle to walk, then are told there is “no structural damage” with either one of them, and find out differently later, you tend to be skeptical when being told of the condition of the franchise player.

Some of you may believe that makes one a “bad fan”. It doesn’t. It just makes for a skeptical one.

The point Pete and others are trying to make is, “Just because the Yankees say its so, doesn’t make it the truth”.

If some, no matter how much evidence is shown, disagree with that statement, fine. But, don’t keep your head in the sand and believe you are given the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth by the Yankees when it comes to injuries.

Let’s not make the beat guys out to be bad guys here. They aren’t. They aren’t looking to undermine the Yankees. They just don’t want to be lied to.

In that regard, they are no different than anybody else who goes to work on a daily basis. They just want folks to be honest with them.

I agree with everything you said except this… That doesn’t really make sense to me because he obviously knows he’s on a much shorter leash this season if there’s a chance of Joba coming back than if there isn’t… If they didn’t tell him Joba was coming back, he would pretty much have that spot for the rest of the season. I could be wrong, but you think it would be better for him to know he had a spot secured for the rest of the season (which isn’t much) instead of until Joba is ready to go.