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Welcome to the top 50, Big G

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 07, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Totally fanned on this last night with all the Jobamania. But that home run Jason Giambi hit gave him 386 for his career.

That’s 50th all time. He needs three more to catch Johnny Bench for 49th place. Not bad.

Yes, yes, he was a big cheating goon and the only way he’ll get to the Hall of Fame is to buy a ticket. But he’s our big cheating goon and he’s hilarious. So good for him.

Meanwhile, the Yankees are 26-26 on the road. Dreadful, right? However the Angels (38-21) are the only other team in the AL not below .500. So 26-26 is actually pretty good.

Meanwhile, ESPN is reporting that the Red Sox are working on a waiver deal for Brian Giles. What they would do with him isn’t clear. But Buster Olney suggests it could be Big Papi insurance.

Back later with the lineup. Enjoy your afternoon.

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472 Responses to “Welcome to the top 50, Big G”

  1. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Be careful, a couple of hrs from Vlad and he’s out of the top 50.

  2. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (Please read my blog) August 7th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Congratulations, I think.

  3. John August 7th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    I hold nothing against him anymore… He seems like a great guy.

  4. Paulie August 7th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Giles will hit in that lineup and in that park – is there a way NY can block this deal?

    He’s certainly no replacement for Ortiz (is he hurt again?), but he is a competent hitter. I’d rather they not have that option on the bench regardless.

  5. kd August 7th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Jason was the only one who was close to honest about it. He wasn’t the only one who cheated, by far. He basically told the truth, something a lot of other players haven’t done.

  6. JT August 7th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Giambi should change his facial hair once a week!

  7. nettles August 7th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    I’m assuming this is the Giambino’s last year in pinstripes. And, despite the disappointments and the ‘roids, I have to give him credit for addressing his mistakes and being a man about it. He’s one of the funniest sports figures out there today and he gives it his all every day.

  8. AlexCT August 7th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    i still remember air giambi from earlier this season as he jumped all of 6 inches in the air and robbed some poor schmuck of a hit. good times…. good times…

  9. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Fun fact of the day: Kyle Farnsworth is 5th all-time in holds. (recently became official stat on mlb.com)

  10. Mister Delaware August 7th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Isn’t there a better chance that Boston only put the claim in on Giles to block Tampa Bay?

  11. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    It seems like a block, unless they know something about Ortiz they aren’t telling.

  12. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    If Bay had gone to the rays, imagine all of the headline puns for “Tampa’s Bay”

  13. The Dude August 7th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    I think it’s a block too. The Sox have four legitimate starting outfielders already, so they wouldn’t want Giles to play a position other than DH. And even that seems unlikely.

  14. Paulie August 7th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Well, Pettitte is good against him, but Moose and Ponson have historically gotten crushed by him.

    Hopefully this is just a block and not a real attempt to get him since, as I said, he is a competent hitter and would be a good addition to any bench. Better than anyone on their bench right now anyhow.

  15. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Tampa could actually use Giles, presumably. I wonder why it even got past the Yankees.

  16. Phil August 7th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    They were just trying to block the Rays. Giles will probably veto a trade.

  17. dan August 7th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    The big G….couldnt get off the bench in game 5 against FLA yet pinch hit a hr in the 9th inning

    Big G like the night life, big G got to boogie…still kills me that game

  18. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 7th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Good for The Big G, congrats to him.

    So Paul Byrd cleared waivers, someone said in the last thread…pardon me in advance but I’ve never understood 100% perfectly how waivers work. Did the Yankees already have an opportunity to pick him up and decided to pass, or do they only now have an opportunity now that he has cleared waivers?

    I’m not saying they definitely should trade for him, but at this point you’d think they could take any insurance they could get, he’s only signed through this year, he isn’t owed that much money, and the Indians will probably be reasonable to work out a deal with…

  19. NYY August 7th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Brian Giles? Who?

  20. Someone Else August 7th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    “So Paul Byrd cleared waivers, someone said in the last thread…pardon me in advance but I’ve never understood 100% perfectly how waivers work. Did the Yankees already have an opportunity to pick him up and decided to pass, or do they only now have an opportunity now that he has cleared waivers?”

    Everyone passed. All 29 teams.

    If a team claims a guy on waivers (assuming no no-trade clauses, etc.), the team can outright pass him on for his salary (the reason Byrd wasn’t claimed). Or, a trade can be worked out, or the original team can pull him back.

  21. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    He cleared waivers so that means the Yankees initially passed on him. (If they claimed, he and his salary could be dumped on the Yankees I believe). Now, he can be traded to any team, but the players involved have to also clear waivers or not be on the 40-man roster. Correct me if I’m wrong, anyone.

  22. NYY August 7th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Looks like he has one Stolen Base…Same number as Papi.

  23. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 7th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    And UGH, holds are an official stat now? What a joke!! Most overrated stat in baseball and even the casual use of it should be abolished if you ask me…now they go and make it official? Yikes.

    Like I always said…every time Farnsworth cuts a 4-run lead in half in the 8th inning, but still gets credited with a hold, I die a little bit inside.

    Seriously…What. A. Useless. Stat. And we wonder why so many people seem incapable of intelligent baseball analysis, because there are stats like holds floating around that distract people from the stats that actually matter!

  24. NYY August 7th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    So there’s the Papi replacement.

  25. mel August 7th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    NYY,

    Does the song “Centerfold” sound familiar?

  26. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 7th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Thanks Someone Else and CUYanks.

  27. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    “Did the Yankees already have an opportunity to pick him up and decided to pass, or do they only now have an opportunity now that he has cleared waivers?”

    Means they could have put a claim on him but didn’t. Since he’s cleared waivers, he’s now tradeable without another team potentially impeding the process.

  28. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Haha well holds are pretty much meaningless unless you are looking at only setup men.
    Even then, of course, a player can receive a hold when doing a terrible job. I.e. Jason Isringhausen received a hold on tuesday after coming in for a three run save and then giving up two runs and putting a runner on third with one out.
    The same can be said for saves though.

  29. mark August 7th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    We need to counter the Sox

    Let’s pick up Andru Jones off waivers.

  30. stuart August 7th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Giles a high OBP guy. The red sux love those guys…

    Does he have an option fo rnext year? If so he makes very good $$$..

  31. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    “Giles a high OBP guy. The red sux love those guys…”

    all teams should

  32. dan August 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Spare me If Im not freaking out over Brian Giles

  33. Bronx Jeers August 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    I would think the Steinbrenners are going to be popping champagne the minute Giambi’s contract expires. I like him and all but his contract may be the worst position player contract in Yankee history.

  34. Jorge Steinbrenner August 7th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    He’s ready to get out there and play right now. Let’s counter this Giles bombshell with a big Yankee splash…..bring back Rickey!!! ;)

  35. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    “I would think the Steinbrenners are going to be popping champagne the minute Giambi’s contract expires. I like him and all but his contract may be the worst position player contract in Yankee history.”

    Yeah, they’ll be thrilled to write that FIVE MILLION DOLLAR check for him NOT to play for the Yankees.

  36. Bronx Jeers August 7th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    “Means they could have put a claim on him but didn’t. Since he’s cleared waivers, he’s now tradeable without another team potentially impeding the process.”

    I believe most GM’s have an understanding with each other not to make a claim (which would block the trade) although that probably flies out the window when division rivals are going after big names that could sway the balance.

  37. stuart August 7th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Yeah even though Giambi has played fairly well but not near up to expectations the steinnys have spent significant coin on the Big G.. He gets $5 mill for not playing for the yanks next year and then another Geroge but superstar chapter will be ended.. The buy superstar and win never works will anyone ever figure that out??

    Green Beret 7; the flash in the pan and late developer scenario are all over the big leagues.

    flash in the pan; kevin maas, charbano, hinske, and many many others. late developers; or guys that failed early and got it together how about; cliff lee or Ryan Ludwick to name 2 present stars….

  38. Jorge Steinbrenner August 7th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    “I would think the Steinbrenners are going to be popping champagne the minute Giambi’s contract expires. I like him and all but his contract may be the worst position player contract in Yankee history.”

    Danny Tartabull was very offended by the above statement, and I don’t even think he’s the worst. who really was the worst?

    i don’t think the Giambi contract was that bad. i actually think the team got what they deserved there.

  39. stuart August 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    steve kemp and dave collins were bad signings i am sure there are many more. Giambi was a george possession when he was into buying every superstar around stage and thought that sis how you win.. He could have saved some money by talking to the Stick…

  40. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    “The same can be said for saves though.”

    funny you should mention this, saves are my least favorite stat after holds. I basically hate any stat that is based on accumulation. Saves arent quite as useless as holds, but just so overrated! It especially irks me when I run into some idiot that insists Trevor Hoffman is better than Mo because he has more saves.

    Or all the slurping of Frankie Rodriguez this year – I recently read where he was named co pitcher of the month for July along with Joba and Jon Lester. MLB apparently deemed him deserving of this honor because he had recorded 12 saves in the month…albeit to the tune of a 3.75 ERA! But who cares how many hits and runs he gave up when he got 12 saves? :roll:

    I wish they would start using percentage of save opportunities converted to evaluate closers rather than just save totals. Even that depends on circumstances outside of the closer’s control, but at least it would also place greater emphasis on the difference between Mo and a guy like Todd Jones.

    (sorry for the rant – hot topic for me since I just recently encountered one of the “Trevor’s better” morons, lol)

  41. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Spare me If Im not freaking out over Brian Giles

    high OBP % guy that can hit w/ RISP, and hit for power at Petco now soon to go to Fenway w/ our young pitching staff, you damn right I’m worried !!!

  42. David Cone's Labrum August 7th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Are Friday and Sat starters confirmed yet?

  43. Big YankeesFan August 7th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Congrats to the big G, but I still would not bring him back next year. The Yanks will have a lot of dough to spend on the 2009 roster:
    21m Giambi, 16m Pettie, 12m Moose, 16m Abreau
    14m Pavano, and 6m Farnsworth for
    85m Total and that does not include the new stadium rev. I would spend $91m (see below) and the dynasty would be formed. So my lineup tries to balance youth and experience, add some speed, better defense, look at the long term and give the youth in the minors time to develop. I make the assumption that Jorge will still be able to catch and not have to play 1st or DH

    SP CC $20m per for 5 years
    SP Sheets $18m per for 4 years
    SP Joba
    SP Wang
    SP Hughes

    Lineup in order
    CF Jackson
    SS Jeter
    2nd Cano
    3rd Arod
    DH Manny $25m per for 3 years, with
    team option for 4th
    1st Texeria $18m per for 4-5 years
    LF Nady
    C Posada
    RF Melky

    RP Rivera
    RP Marte
    RP Ramirez
    RP Krod $10m per year, he will
    probably close in 09 or 10
    RP Veras
    RP Kennedy
    RP Robertson
    Bench Damon
    Bench Matusi
    Bench Molina
    Bench Betemit

  44. Bronx Jeers August 7th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    “Yeah, they’ll be thrilled to write that FIVE MILLION DOLLAR check for him NOT to play for the Yankees.”

    Yeah that’s going to sting.

    Who knows. They could decline and offer him something 1-year 5 mil + buyout. I hope not.

  45. Tank August 7th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Giles up with the bases loaded and no outs against Dauner Sanchez, Mets leading 3-1. Santana out.

  46. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 7th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Danny Tartabull is probably the all time worst contract I can remember, though I’m relatively young so there are probably many that aren’t coming to mind. I just remember being excited as a kid when they signed him, shocked when I heard how much he was making but figuring that for that kind of money he had to be a superstar. Not so much!

    Pavano is definitely high on the “worst” list as well though. At least Giambi has earned a portion of his money. Although I agree w/Jorge Steinbrenner, that contract was complete grandiosity, especially the decision not to insert a PED clause, so foolish – the Yanks kinda got what they deserved there.

  47. Chris August 7th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    “We need to counter the Sox

    Let’s pick up Andru Jones off waivers”

    ….Um, really hope you’re kidding. We already have a chubby, average center fielder who couldn’t get a base hit. His name is Melky and he doesn’t make 18 million a year. I’ll stick with the young, cheap guy who’s awful. Thanks.

  48. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Feliciano is so underrated vs LHP

    Anyway Big YankeesFan David Robertson is going to be a treat in the future, w/ him you can just tell he has the ability to step up his game to another level. Can you imagine Melancon D-Rob and Mo 8O

  49. BROKEN NEWS August 7th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Brett Favre just got off a chartered plane and his feet are now planted on Jersey soil.

  50. stuart August 7th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    big yankees fan you are beyond dreaming.. cc is ok no sheets, no manny, texiera is debateable, and Krod wants $15 mill so you are in fantasy land..

    eliminate all the FA’s sign CC nd Tex and leave it at that.. Nady play Rf, and make some small moves….

    the Yanks can reduce there payroll by $40 mill minimum and have a much better team then this year, be younger, have a few more contracts come off the books after next year and be in very good shape…

  51. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 7th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Broken News: Can you please tell us what sort of in-flight snack he enjoyed? What magazines was he reading? What songs did he have on his Ipod? Inquiring minds want to know! :)

  52. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Oh alot of players on your list are not going to happen.

    Sheets, K-Rod, Teixeira especially MAnny.

  53. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    CC and Teixeira aren’t taking 5 year deals.

  54. Jorge Tabata August 7th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Hopefully Marte can be as good for us as Feleciano is for the Mets.

  55. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 7th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    I would NEVER want Frankie on the Yanks. I don’t care if he only wants $5MM. He’s a punk and his post-save gyrations offend me as a Mariano Rivera fan.

  56. BBB (X gon'give it to ya) August 7th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    CC will get 6-7 years for sure. Wonder if Sheets could be obtained on a 4-5 year deal though?

    At this point I am starting to get a bit wary of CC. The Brewers are really trying their damndest to blow out his arm. 124 pitches in the game against the Cubs and almost every other start he’s made there has been a CG and he probably went well over 100 pitches each time.

  57. saucY August 7th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    what would be cool is if the NY media collectively agreed to just start calling him FAV-RE (pronounced like it’s spelled)

    not sure why, but i think that’d be funny. i’m really bored at work today…

  58. Tank August 7th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Sheets is probably our Plan B if we don’t get Sabathia.

  59. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    “Wonder if Sheets could be obtained on a 4-5 year deal though?”

    I would think that Sheets’ injury history plays against the chances he’ll be able to go too much more than 3-4 years w/ options.

  60. steve August 7th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    k-rod is a lock to go to the mets… angels have arendado as his heir apparent and won’t give him the $16 million he wants.

    i’d guess they’d use that money to retain Teixeria instead

    manny will probably go to the phillies or stay with the dodgers. i doubt he goes to the mets.

  61. Bronx Jeers August 7th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    BBB. Thumbs up on the save %. although is a guy with 60 saves in 63 chances worse than a guy with 25 saves in 25 chances.

    BigYankeesFan. You seem like a big Manny fan as well!

  62. real lousy chowdah August 7th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....tra_bases/

    Giles is not a fit with Boston unless the wrist of Ortiz is acting up again.
    Even so, Ortiz would play throught it and would be offended that his job has been taken.

  63. Pinstripes August 7th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Why dont we work on a waiver deal with San Diego to get Peavy. I think considering how bad that team is, they’d be willing to listen for the right prospects.

  64. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Brian Giles still in the padres game.

  65. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Saves are completely overrated. ERA, WHIP, K/BB all prove how mariano (or nathan/soria for that matter) are having significantly better years than K-Rod (let alone Hoffman)

  66. Big YankeesFan August 7th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Bronx Jeers, having Manny behind Arod means Arod will see a lot more fastballs and be much more productive. I notice nobody is commenting on the OF and the speed though.

  67. Jorge Steinbrenner August 7th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    “Why dont we work on a waiver deal with San Diego to get Peavy. I think considering how bad that team is, they’d be willing to listen for the right prospects.”

    Yeah, I’d love to part with A-Jax, Phil Hughes, and Mark Melancon….

    ain’t happenin’

  68. GGTM August 7th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Amazing … contract year and all of a sudden he plays better and doesn’t go on the DL. Funny how people think Giambi is great … who cheated and then they attack A-Rod … someone who works hard every year … doesn’t go on the DL most times and is doing it clean. Look in the mirror Pete … I’m talking to you!

  69. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Bronx Jeers, having Manny behind Arod means Arod will see a lot more fastballs and be much more productive. I notice nobody is commenting on the OF and the speed though.

    You don’t understand..he’s not playing for the Yankees let alone in NY.

  70. Jorge Steinbrenner August 7th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    i guess Kemp and Collins seem smaller, in retrospect, because it was in an era where Don Mattingly making $3 million a year was breaking the bank. they both very much underperformed, though.

    of course Pavano’s one of the worst, but he’s a pitcher. we’re talking position players.

    we were able to spin off Tartabull into Ruben Sierra, so i do question whether that still makes him the all-time worst. he may still be it, though.

  71. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Yeah, I’d love to part with A-Jax, Phil Hughes, and Mark Melancon….

    ain’t happenin’

    I’ll stab somebody before that happpens. (that’s a promise)

  72. yankeefan91 August 7th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    i think the yanks should keep pudge as are starting catcher and move posada to first full time starting first baseman

  73. G. Love August 7th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    I’m not freaking out about Giles. If he goes to Boston, so what. He’s old. Their bullpen blows and if it weren’t for Lester, they’d be a few games behind us and we’ve lost 2 #1 starters, our 4&5, our C, LF/DH, etc and we’re still right behind them.

    I don’t think he’s the difference maker.

    What our lineup does the rest of the season is the difference maker.

    If we hit like we’re capable of, we pass either Boston or Tampa along the way. If we don’t, the standings will stay the same.

    I want to see more of last night out of the team tonight. Last night was the way they have to play to win with the defense and the hitting and Ponson and the pen pitching a solid game.

    Duplicate that effort for 10 games and we’ll win 9 of them.

    I hope the sense of urgency has finally and truly arrived in that locker room.

  74. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    my god that Mets bullpen is like gasoline on a fire spot.

  75. Blargh August 7th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Well, no win for Johan today, as the Mets bullpen blows another save. Will they go on to lose the game too?

  76. ANSKY August 7th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    I have no problem with Giambi regarding the ‘roids anymore, because he did the right thing by coming clean and he’s not cheating anymore.

    The problem I have, no matter how nice a guy he may be, is that he’s still getting paid big time $$$ based on the numbers he put up back when he was cheating. But he’s only a .250 hitter (bangin’ 3/4 as many HRs) without the cheating.

    That aside, it’s great to see him do well. But I can’t fully endorse the guy or I’m no different than Sox fans who were proud of the MBM buffoonery Manny used to be all about, while thinking there’s nothing wrong with it because he was THEIR buffoon.

  77. jennifer August 7th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Okay I know I shouldn’t laugh, becuase of everything our team is going through. But I find it funny that the Mets pen just blew Johans game again! Also I see he only went 7, with the shape the pen is in, you’d think he’d want to finish his game.

  78. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Look at that, 6th lead blown by Mets bullpen for Santana. If he had 15 wins we’d be talking cy young, but instead he’s having a “bad year.” Shows you how overvalued that stat is.

  79. JoeyA August 7th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    I really hope the Yankees are realistic with Jorge and don’t give into his sinful pride, because it would be a tragedy if he continues to catch next year and unable to throw guys out. I’d much rather have a Pudge/Molina platoon and Jorge @ 1B.

  80. george August 7th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    as a Yankee 1B, Giambi at best rates 6th, behind these guys:

    Gehrig
    Skowron
    Chambliss
    Mattingly
    Tino

    this is given their eras, defensive capabilities, and contrib to Yankee championships.

    i like Jason, he’s a fun player and has had his moments. hopefully he’ll add to his Yankee stature over the next few months. but his D has been awful, you have to wonder about why he’s in better shape in his contract year, & he’s been fragile as a Yankee.

  81. CUYanks August 7th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Another Manny HR.

  82. Jorge Steinbrenner August 7th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    do you guys really, really, REALLY think Posada would hold up defensively at first? i know SJ already weighed in on that.

    i…don’t know. i’m in the “he’s great as a catcher, but downright average, at best, as a first base option” camp, and i’m as big a Posada supporter as can be.

  83. stuart August 7th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Johan has had a lot of bad luck this year.. 6 blown saves!!!!!!!!!!!

    he should really have about 14 wins…. regardless I am glad he is not a Yankee not for this year but for years in the future.. Johan is still a good pitcher just not worth the coin he got and the impact it would have had on the yankee farm…

    How long can he succeed with a 93 MPH and change up only? We will see…

  84. Tom August 7th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Cano is not and will never be a #3 hitter. He doesn’t take nearly enough pitches and his OBP% is way too low to be hitting in front of any clean-up hitter. That position in the lineup is probably the single most important situational hitting spot in the lineup and frankly I don’t trust him with that spot.

  85. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    You know Jody Gerut would be an interesting waiver pick up.

  86. Wangawa August 7th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    “I hate my life.”

    ~Johan Santana, August 7, 2008

  87. mi amigo August 7th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Johan has a 2.85 ERA yet only 9 wins, mostly because the rest of the team sucks. This bullpen is an unbelieveable mess. And really, only scoring 3 runs against Banks? The offense should have been better as well. Johan is 100% right when he says that he has done his job.

  88. 56Bomber August 7th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    For those of you advocating Jorge’s move to 1st.. how are we going to get some younger position players involved if we go into next year with Jorge at 1st, Matsui at DH, and Pudge catching? As I see it, given the contracts we have, the only two spots where we can get younger are at 1st and corner outfielder. I’d rather have a Jorge/Molina combo handling the catching duties and look to fill the 1st base role with Texiera. I’d also have to look hard at re-signing Abreu unless we can move Damon or Matsui in a trade.

  89. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    David Wright walk off HR

  90. G. Love August 7th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Jorge Posada is not a 1b. Putting him there would be more of the same roster/team problem we have had over the years.

    I disagree with SJ and I don’t think Jorge hits enough to be a regular 1b. I think he’ll be a below avg. 1b offensively and defensively.

    His value to the team is behind the plate.

    Cashman and the owners were the one’s who okay’d the deal and they have to live with it. If Jorge can come back and make the throws adequately, then he splits time with Molina.

    But anything other than a part time C and part time DH is folly.

    I don’t care if Tino said Jorge can be a 1b. He said the same thing about Sheffield and Duncan.

    Jorge looked awful at 1b this year and he’s going to be another year older and off shoulder surgery.

    If you don’t like watching Giambi throw to 2nd, why would you like watching Jorge make that throw?

    I realize to some of you, you think we have to find a place for him because of his payroll number, but I think his payroll number reflects his value as a catcher and if this is a “transition” year and the team is going to not make the mistakes of the past, then you do not put another non-1b at 1b because you made a mistake with another long term deal.

    If that kind of roster managing doesn’t stop, then nothing will change here.

    None of you, if you want this team to win, should be advocating Jorge as our regular 1b. He’ll be downright surly over there and his defense will suck and once he starts hitting into double plays (which he does a lot of) you’ll be clamoring for someone else to take his spot.

  91. sunny615 August 7th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    The 2008 Giles acquisition reminds me of the 2007 Gagme acquisition.

    Good luck with that Sahx.

  92. mi amigo August 7th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Heilman gets a Win.

  93. Laura - X marks the spot! August 7th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    I don’t think the Met bullpen likes Santana.

    David Wright makes up for those two horrible plays he made yesterday.

  94. stuart August 7th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    I agree having Jorge at catcher is a key thing.. At catcher Jorge is a great hitter he is not at 1B. When you ahave a good hitter at catcher it is a huge advantage because almost no team has that..

    the yanks need a new 1B for next year , deal with the CF problem, and Nady in Rf and to possibly trade either Damon or Matsui…This will allow them to change the offeense and athleticism on this team a TON….

  95. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    They apparently are doing it to block TB. Giles is a damn good hitter sunny, he’s old but comes up w/ big hits.

    I’d like the Yankees to take Jody Gerut his contract expires after this year so the Pads won’t want much.

  96. Jorge Steinbrenner August 7th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    “For those of you advocating Jorge’s move to 1st.. how are we going to get some younger position players involved if we go into next year with Jorge at 1st, Matsui at DH, and Pudge catching? As I see it, given the contracts we have, the only two spots where we can get younger are at 1st and corner outfielder.”

    This team is going to be every bit the work in progress in 2009 than it is in 2008. We still need to get through some of these veteran contracts and, frankly, we don’t have enough quality position players in our system who are close to contributing yet to adequately address all the places we need to get younger at. We need to find ways to use our surplus of pitchers to get young position players, and hope that the guys in our lower minor leagues are closer to being ready for 2010.

    We’re paying for our earlier sins. If we do the right thing(s) now, we can get out the hole.

  97. Bronx Jeers August 7th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    “as a Yankee 1B, Giambi at best rates 6th, behind these guys:”

    Chambliss was my first baseball hero as a child but its a tough one. Defense Chambliss was obviously better but Offense there really isn’t much of a contest. I guess the fact there is room for debate favors Chambliss.

    Chambliss has the big HR in 1976. But Giambi had 2 homers in the Aaron Boone game. Not a walk off but without those 2 bombs, there is no Aaron Boone.

  98. Neil August 7th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Rays got Bradford from Baltimore.

  99. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Posada has a better arm than Giambi. Its not even close.

    As far as hitting into DP’s, what difference does it make if he hits into them at first or behind the plate? Its not like they are going to bench Posada (if he is healthy) because he is hitting into DP’s.

    In his normal years, he hits over .280, 20+ HR 85-90 RBI.

    That’s not good enough for first base? Its better than than the numbers of most first basemen in the league.

    He didn’t even take groundballs at first base this spring. How can you evaluate his skills at the position off the couple of games he played there this year?

    If he can’t make the throws from behind the plate, he has no value as a catcher. Look at the AL East. Tampa, Boston and Baltimore are all running teams. You have to be able to throw guys out if you are going to catch in the AL East.

    The Red Sox are facing the same dilemma (more from a decline in skill rather than injury) with Varitek.

    When Posada signed his 4 year deal, the plan was always for him to spend the final year of his deal out from behind the plate.

    Perhaps the shoulder injury hastens that schedule.

    Its certainly not something I hope the Yankees dismiss out of hand. Especially when you have a guy in Pudge, a better defensive catcher than Posada, willing to stay in NY.

  100. pat August 7th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    The 2008 Giles acquisition could turn out to be more like the 2000 Canseco acquisition.
    When you do something to spite someone else kharma eventually comes back to bite you in the butt.

  101. mi amigo August 7th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    yeah Giles is still pretty good. He’s be a signficant offensive upgrade over Ellsbury or Crisp. But who would play CF if one of those guys were benched? I don’t think Giles/Drew/Bay have played CF any time recently. And the defensive downgrade would be pretty big, I would assume. I don’t think Giles wants to sit on a bench. He can veto a trade to Boston.

  102. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Jody Gerut’s range

  103. RusselFromVA August 7th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Statistics, and is amateur practitioners, is taking the joy out of baseball. No, a .280 hitter with 18 HRs and 80 RBIs (give or take on all of those numbers) at first is not setting the world on fire, though his patience is an asset. But we get above average production at 3B and 2B (at least after the ASB). Our corner outfielders are average, and AJack projects to be above. Jeter’s GIDP problem notwithstanding he’s a solid hitter too. We can afford to have a 1B without Pujols numbers if we’re getting above average production almost everywhere else. Posada is versatile, he’s a leader, and he’ll be a mentor to guys like Cervelli, Romine and Montero if and when one or more of them makes the big club.

  104. Schwarz's popo August 7th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Posada has only hit in the .280′s in three different seasons.

  105. Andrew August 7th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    I think they address 1B through trade in the offseason. It makes the most sense since I bet the organization would rather commit to a workhorse front-line starting pitcher (CC) than sign another long-term contract with a good but not great 1B (Teixiera). Hopefully something will work out reminiscent of getting Tino and Nelson before ’96. I don’t know who exactly they could target, but I figure an organization that needs pitching would be interested in dealing with the Yankees.

  106. Schwarz's popo August 7th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    I’m sorry, I meant at least .280 in three different seasons.

  107. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    I’m with G.Love…. Jorge needs to catch, Tex needs to play first… Tex will probably cost somewhere between what Giambi’s making this year ($ 23.5 M) and what the Yanks will save on him next year ($ 18.5).

  108. Redding August 7th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Would Posada even agree to move to 1st… and want Pudge as his replacement of all people?

    Isin’t that the problem right there? He is too stubborn to admit he would help the team more at 1st. I don’t think he’s “selfish”, but he does have a lot of pride and I’m not sure he will gracefully move to 1st.

    If he does agree to it, that would be excellent for us for next year.

  109. Al from BK August 7th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    I love how Pete likes to gloat about what the Pats did to Favre several years ago. Mr. Sensitive teeth is going to make 18-1 secondary look like pee wee leaguers. They lost Randall Gay and Asante Samuel no one (especially Pats fans) likes to address that, also their linebacking crew should all be getting their AARP membership cards in the mail soon.

  110. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Straight block by the Red Sox on Giles. They have no place for him and they know he doesn’t want to go there. Keeps him away from Disney or Tampa and that satisfies their likely objective.

  111. Russell NY August 7th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    “Yeah, they’ll be thrilled to write that FIVE MILLION DOLLAR check for him NOT to play for the Yankees.”

    Pennies considering the benefit of having Giambino gone. I don’t think the Yanks care about spending the money for him to leave, they REALLY care about shedding off payroll so they don’t get killed with luxury tax and getting rid of Giambi at any cost does that.

  112. Fredo Corleone August 7th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    ‘Mr. Sensitive teeth is going to make 18-1 secondary look like pee wee leaguers. They lost Randall Gay and Asante Samuel no one (especially Pats fans) likes to address that, also their linebacking crew should all be getting their AARP membership cards in the mail soon.”

    J-E-T-S still finish 3-4 games behind New England though.

  113. wroopt August 7th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    “Statistics, and is amateur practitioners, is taking the joy out of baseball.”

    I never understand this statement. Even if you are not a supporter of statistical analysis, especially when its done by people who have no clue what they are doing, I don’t understand how this can affect your joy of watching the game. Can you explain please.

    I am a supporter of sabermetrics and am interested in things like VORP and WARP and BABIP and LD% and FIP etc, but when I’m watching the game these things are hardly ever on my mind. I still get the highs and lows that come with a guy striking out in a big spot or crushing a game-winning homer, etc, and things like these advanced stats are not on my mind at those times. I can still enjoy the game just as much as when I wasn’t aware of these new forms of statistical analysis.

  114. Al from BK August 7th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Fredo- So you think the Pats will win 13+ games again and that the Jets are only going to win 9 thats a bit unfair. 2 years ago with a terrible o-line and Chad at the helm this team won 10 games I am seeing even better than that this year.

  115. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    so what do you guys think ? Jody Gerut in CF instead of Melky takes away an automatic out right now and adds a clutch hitter w/ plus defensive range in the OF.

  116. RusselFromVA August 7th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    People get wedded to statistics in determining what is and is not an acceptable offensive output from a position. If a healthy year from your starting nine can produce 950 runs, it doesn’t matter who starts at what position. My friend is an economics/statistics genius, but when he tells me it makes no sense to draft college relievers I look at guys like Robertson, Melancon, JB Cox and wonder what the hell he’s talking about.

  117. ANSKY August 7th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    I like Pudge and Posada semi-platooning behind the plate for a year or two, with Pudge being primary catcher and Posada playing every 5th day or just against less running-oriented teams. The other days, Posada could DH and work into playing 1B. That could be made to mesh with using Matsui at DH about 2/3 – 3/4 of the time.

    The thing is, if you commit to that setup, you kind of have to let Molina go and he’s a real good defensive backup.

    Anyways, if going into the last year of Posada’s contract he would have been out from behind the plate anyways, I guess they’ll have to see if Miranda is coming up as a C or a 1B.

    If he’ll be a 1B, Miranda could share DH/1B with Posada that last year of Posada’s contract. If he’ll be a C, maybe they would extend Pudge for a year to be the part timer / mentor while Miranda takes over. But if he’ll be a 1B, some other C has to come along in 2-3 years because old man Pudge will be about ready to keel over by then.

    Agreed though, if Posada’s are doesn’t get back to 100% he can’t gun down the speedsters in the division anymore.

  118. JoeyA August 7th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    IMO, here are the things the organization needs to do, most of them depending on whether or not Jorge can be a reliable defensive catcher.

    1. Get an everyday 1B. no more of this platooning garbage. We, as fans, should nnot be subjected to Wilson “Can’t find a” Betemit every 4th or 5th day @ 1B. If Jorge can’t effectively catcher, there is nowhere else to move him and, although his numbers are great for a catcher but bad for a 1B, what else are we going to do?

    2. Sign CC. I know this has rang all over this blog in the last few months, if not longer, but it makes the most sense. we are losing $85+ million. This guy is a Cy Young candidate, younger than Johan, and we don’t have to give up prospects to get him. The way I see it, this is the exact situation we wanted, get a pitcher w/o giving up the farm. There is no reason not to sign the guy. We would arguably have the best rotation in ML, with alot of starting pitching depth in case someone goes down. Wang/CC/Joba/Moose or Pettitte/Hughes w/ a slew of guys willing and able to fill in any starts.

    3. Get rid of Matsui/Damon/Cabrera. Not all, just one of them. We have WAY too many one dimensional players for the outfield. Damon can hit, but can’t throw. Cabrera can catch and throw, but can’t hit. Matsui can hit, but can’t run, which also kills you on the basepaths. I would say Matsui would be the best candidate to get traded.

    4. Keep speed on the bench. If gardner and christian have shown us nothing else, it is that speed can win you games outright. it’s a real positive to have a SB threat on first.

    Our bullpen should be fine next year, and our core offense should be fine as well. We may want to think about retaining Abreu, if a move is made with Matsui/Damon/Cabrera.

    I’m all ears to your agreements/disagreements……

  119. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Jody Gerut can stay right where he is.

  120. Joe I August 7th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    “so what do you guys think ? Jody Gerut in CF instead of Melky takes away an automatic out right now and adds a clutch hitter w/ plus defensive range in the OF.”

    I’m for it Brandon. Plus, Cash and Towers are good friends, maybe Towers can help his boy out. Igawa for Gerut, we pick up some of Kei’s money.

  121. Chris August 7th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    “so what do you guys think ? Jody Gerut in CF instead of Melky takes away an automatic out right now and adds a clutch hitter w/ plus defensive range in the OF.”

    The guy hits one home run to tie a game and suddenly he’s a clutch hitter? He’s a career .239 hitter with RISP. And yea, he’s batting .313 with risp this season, but his career line shows that he’s a mediocre fourth outfielder. Basically, he’d be melky cabrera light.

  122. wroopt August 7th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    “People get wedded to statistics in determining what is and is not an acceptable offensive output from a position. If a healthy year from your starting nine can produce 950 runs, it doesn’t matter who starts at what position. My friend is an economics/statistics genius, but when he tells me it makes no sense to draft college relievers I look at guys like Robertson, Melancon, JB Cox and wonder what the hell he’s talking about.”

    Ok. I think you have some valid points, and I agree with what you stated there. But I still don’t get how this takes the joy out of the game for you.

  123. G. Love August 7th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Ansky–I think you mean Montero, not Miranda.

    And Molina is going nowhere. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him get an extension past next year this off season.

    The pitchers love him, he’s the best backup in baseball and he can start if need be and give you great defense.

    I like Pudge so far, but I don’t think we bring him back and I think Boston will be after him like a dog after a cat this off season. They need a catcher desperately.

  124. William Buckner August 7th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Brandon,
    I think it’s certainly not worth discounting. The thing about Cabrera to me is the regression. He’s become less selective and too much of a free swinger.

    I say however they do it, Melky should not be considered an everyday player after this year.

    As for the posada at 1B. He came up as a middle infielder and would be better then league avg with the bat at that position. I don’t think after a labrum surgery he can be relied on as he was in the past. For what it’s worth, the yankees need to maximize the remaining three years of his deal.

  125. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Tex isn’t coming to NY. Once folks realize that, then who plays first base for the Yankees becomes the discussion.

    The Yankees aren’t going to sign Mark Teixiera to an 8-10 year contract. Its not going to happen. They don’t want to deal with Scott Boras, Tex isn’t all that keen on NYC, and they have Arte Moreno ready to write that check in Anaheim.

    As well as Manny is playing right now in LA, the Dodgers are going to have to give real pressure on them to sign Manny in the off-season.

    Moreno is trying to take over LA from a business and marketing standpoint. The Dodgers know this and will need to counter.

    Who benefits from all of it? Scott Boras because he reps both Tex and Manny and will grind those two franchises into the ground this off-season playing their fears off one another.

    As far as “mentoring” is concerned, Pudge can do that as well or better than Posada. Pudge is a first ballot HOF catcher.

    As with Joba, Posada’s health is going to play a big role in how the Yankees use him. He may want to catch. He may even think he deserves to catch. However, if his shoulder isn’t up to it, he’s not catching.

    If Yogi Berra can change positions late in his career for the betterment of the team, Posada certainly can if asked.

    As I said earlier IF it would to happen, it would take an unbelievable amount of diplomacy by the Yankees to get it done.

    However, if it improves the team, its something that has to be considered.

  126. BROKEN NEWS August 7th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Brett Favre will be stopping for a pizza in Elizabeth before heading for East Rutherford. He got lost in the Holland Tunnel.

  127. William Buckner August 7th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Joey
    I like your thoughts. I think Damon’s the better player to move. Less an injury risk for a trade partner and coming off offensively one of his best seasons. Might get us more young players in return.

  128. loppdeloop August 7th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    I agree that Mark Teixiera won’t be a Yankee since he will want way too many years and too much money per year.

    I think that if Adam Dunn can play 1B, he would be a more realistic option (especially if the Reds don’t offer him salary arbitration). His perceived value isn’t that great since he has low batting averages. But his production is great, and the Yanks can probably get him on a cheaper contract in both years and money than he actually desevres based on his performance.

  129. yanksince57-is this 1959 or is it 1965? August 7th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    the person that can talk posada into being a fulltime 1b/dh is wasting his time with baseball! he should be in the middle east ASAP!!!!!

  130. Chris NY August 7th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Looks like you can add Texas to the list of greedy clubs that won’t do a day game on travel days like the Yankees seem to do to accomodate EVERY TEAM that comes to the Bronx…..

  131. Chris August 7th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    “I think that if Adam Dunn can play 1B, he would be a more realistic option (especially if the Reds don’t offer him salary arbitration). His perceived value isn’t that great since he has low batting averages. But his production is great, and the Yanks can probably get him on a cheaper contract in both years and money than he actually desevres based on his performance.”

    If the Yankees signed Dunn, next season when he’s batting .220 with 150 strikeouts, you’d all be destroying Cashman or whoever the GM is for letting Giambi walk away.

  132. 108 stitches August 7th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Jorge lives in Tampa in the offseason and if he feels less time behind the plate and more time at 1st base is a help to the team and his career, Tino will tutor him for all the time he needs at early workouts.

  133. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Chris,

    True but, I wouldn’t want this team to play a day game in 100+ degree weather.

    Phillies just got Scott Eyre from the Cubs for a minor league player.

  134. JoeyA August 7th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Bottom line: IF Posada isn’t in catching form after all is said and done with this surgery, we would have to be idiots to not use him @ 1B. Let’s look at the situation, we have an EXCELLENT back-up catcher, as well as a HOF catcher on our team that wants to stay. We also don’t have a viable 1B candidate and the market is very tight this offseason. We would have to be crazy to tell the HOF catcher to leave so we can keep the less-defensively capable catcher and still have to find a 1B in the offseason.

  135. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 7th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    The guy hits one home run to tie a game and suddenly he’s a clutch hitter? He’s a career .239 hitter with RISP. And yea, he’s batting .313 with risp this season, but his career line shows that he’s a mediocre fourth outfielder. Basically, he’d be melky cabrera light.

    Give me more credit than that I don’t look at just one game

    2008

    RISP: .313/.389/.604
    Tie game: .301/.343/.527
    down 1: .298/.346/.503
    down 2: .301/.369/.469

    8th and 9th ining: out of 52 ABs he’s batting .346

    Then there is that defense

    he’s been batting .315 since June

  136. Chris August 7th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    “Jorge lives in Tampa in the offseason and if he feels less time behind the plate and more time at 1st base is a help to the team and his career, Tino will tutor him for all the time he needs at early workouts”

    I’m not saying Jason Giambi is a good first baseman by any stretch of the imagination, but he’s much more athletic than Posada and a much better first baseman. Posada would be a below average defender and make Giambi look like the 2nd coming of Don Mattingly with the glove

  137. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    “Phillies just got Scott Eyre from the Cubs for a minor league player.”

    kind of surprises me that two leading postseason contenders are trading a bullpen piece among each other.

  138. ANSKY August 7th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    G-Love – You’re right I meant Miranda. Asleep at the wheel I am ……

  139. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter. August 7th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    “Boston now has an exclusive 48-hour window to work out a deal for Giles, whose contract includes the Red Sox as one of 10 teams to which he can veto a trade.

    He he he he he! Every boy dreams of playing for the Sux – NOT!!!

    :D :D

  140. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    “but he’s much more athletic than Posada and a much better first baseman. Posada would be a below average defender and make Giambi look like the 2nd coming of Don Mattingly with the glove”

    what are you basing this on?

    i actually think, just by watching the games, a healthy Posada is much more athletic than a healthy Giambi.

  141. RusselFromVA August 7th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Wroopt

    What is joy-sapping for me is watching people who otherwise know little about baseball wield obscure stats as some sort of trump card to win arguments (it’s a wider complaint, and I’m not saying that you fall into this category). To the extent that sabermetrics et al helped to expose the shortcomings of some of the traditional measures of performance they’ve been good for the sport and good for fans, but to the extent that people think that staring at splits can tell you a fraction as much as watching the guy swing the bat I think they cut in the other direction as well.

  142. Nick in SF August 7th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    “Posada would be a below average defender and make Giambi look like the 2nd coming of Don Mattingly with the glove”

    What color is the sky in your world?

  143. ANSKY August 7th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Diplomacy may not be needed if Posada knows his shoulder’s done. If his shoulder tells him and he accepts it as a fact of life, he may become eager to play 1B. If someone else tells him he may tell them where to put it.

    I think he’d do it but it’d have to be on his own terms. Simply knowing he can’t throw speed demons out anymore or throw w/o pain may be all it takes.

  144. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    gotta love the internet tough guys.

  145. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    SJ—- Why do you insist the Yankees don’t want to deal with Boras? Sure, he’s a pain in the Papelbon but most agents are pains to deal with and you do what has to be done. Tex has always been an East Coast guy and I’ve read several articles mentioning that going back to last year.

    The Angels have Garrett Anderson, Vald and KRod to deal with, too and I find it hard to believe they’ll keep all four OR that they’ll make Tex the # 1 priority.

    I know you think Posada is a natural for 1B, but I don’t. It’s the least appreciated important defensive position in the game because an excellent 1B makes three other infielders better.

    If they can’t get Tex does a Miranda/Millar platoon make sense? Do you try Abreu there? (an OF to 1B switch makes more sense than C to 1B).

  146. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter. August 7th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    “I think his confidence is fine,” Girardi said. “Melky is ready to play every day. He’s not exactly where he wants to be or where we want him to be, but that doesn’t mean Melky’s not a good player.”

    Oh my Lord, a voice of reason. Quick delete this post because it will really ruin the days of posters who JUST DON’T GET IT.

    :D

  147. Buddy Biancalana August 7th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    With Varitek playing like garbage, a bidding war between the Sox & Yanks for Pudge will undoubtedly happen.

  148. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 7th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    …I go to Maryland for one night and the Jets land Favre?

    I need to go away more often.

  149. TurnTwo August 7th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Abreu cant play first, and no thank you to Millar.

    I guess Miranda will get a look-see, especially the way he’s finishing this season in Scranton.

    i see Anaheim making Texeira a top priority because they sent their 1B of the future to Atlanta to get Tex. they have the money, and they’ll need a 1B. makes too much sense.

    Vlad is on a team option next season, so they dont have to worry about him just yet. KRod is as good as gone, anyway.

  150. Phil August 7th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Dunn would absolutely rake in YS. Also, you can stick him in left as well as DH to open up first some of the time for our aging regulars.

  151. jennifer August 7th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Why is everyone ready to put the nail in Jorge’s coffin. You know the worker that he is. He will work his butt off to return to form. Just reading through the articles and what he attempted to play through. Have some faith in the man.

  152. RusselFromVA August 7th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Buddy

    I hope they drive up the price and then let him go. I’d rather have a Posada/Molina platoon than have another $10 mil catcher on the roster. His skill set is declining and will continue to do so, let him age ungracefully with the Sox.

  153. steve August 7th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    SJ – Does Sabathia want to come to NYC?

  154. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    A debate on whether Jorge or Giambi s more athletic?

    What’s next, who is better looking Joan Rivers or Phyllis Diller? Which band rocked more Air Supply or Climax? Who was the better actor Lenny or Squiggy?

  155. G. Love August 7th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    The other thing everyone fails to mention with the Posada as a 1b idea is that the left side of our infield in Jeter and Arod often make challenging throws to first.

    If Posada can’t pick it or move around the bag to get the errant throws, errors will ring up and steam will come from Jorge’s ears and he’ll throw his 1b mitt at Girardi in the dugout.

  156. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter. August 7th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    “Why is everyone ready to put the nail in Jorge’s coffin.”

    Jennifer, need to kick a player when he’s down > need to wait to see whether or not the player’s skills warrant his being kicked! You know this place!

  157. saucY August 7th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    agreed Jennifer.

    i never liked pudge. i can’t argue with the trade due to the situation this season, but i don’t want him brought back as a free agent.

  158. fuhgoobagaz August 7th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    Squiggy beyond a doubt.

  159. RusselFromVA August 7th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    TurnTwo

    They’ll try, but Tex has made it sound as though he wants to test the waters. Not sure he’s worth the pricetag, but he would shore up the middle of our lineup and our defense.

  160. Nick in SF August 7th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    “Who was the better actor Lenny or Squiggy?”

    Um, have you SEEN Spinal Tap?

    Lenny in a landslide!

  161. jennifer August 7th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Thanks :) Jorge has been the leader in the clubhouse, go read Lupica’s article, yes that Lupica. Read how much it is killing Jorge to sit by and watch this team and not be able to help. Don’t doubt that this man will work his tail off to return to 2007 form. And don’t doubt that it won’t happen.

  162. fuhgoobagaz August 7th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Weren’t the Angels the team that was going to go hard after A-Rod last year?

    While I am sure that Teixeira would like a long term contract, that doesn’t mean he will get one. Yes, the Angels could certainly use him, and have a decent sized need after trading away their 1st baseman to get him, but this isn’t fairy tale land either.

    The team that values what Teixeira can bring the most will get him. Either that, or the team that Teixeira wants be be a part of the most will get him.

  163. fuhgoobagaz August 7th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

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  164. hmmm August 7th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    The Angels have Garrett Anderson, Vald and KRod to deal with, too and I find it hard to believe they’ll keep all four OR that they’ll make Tex the # 1 priority.

    i don’t see why he wouldn’t be the #1 priority out of those 4 players.

  165. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (Please read my blog) August 7th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    “I love how Pete likes to gloat about what the Pats did to Favre several years ago. Mr. Sensitive teeth is going to make 18-1 secondary look like pee wee leaguers. They lost Randall Gay and Asante Samuel no one (especially Pats fans) likes to address that, also their linebacking crew should all be getting their AARP membership cards in the mail soon.”

    In addition, I believe even the Jets crushed the Packers the last two times the teams met, so it’s not even a relevant point.

    Let’s face it, the Patriots are so 2005. They put on their water skies and jumped over the shark. They’re over. They had their shot at immortality and spit the bit.

  166. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Nobody is kicking anybody when they are down Trisha.

    We have having a baseball discussion. Take your meds and chill out.

    A 37 year old catcher just had serious shoulder surgery. Talking about his future is not kicking anyone while they are down.

    If you don’t think a torn labrum is serious, tell me how many catchers have come back strong from that surgery, at 37 years old, in recent years? Add to it that he has also torn the capsule around rotator cuff in addition to tearing his labrum.

    Sorry but, that’s serious surgery.

    He could be the hardest worker in the world and not be able to come back and throw the ball effectively from behind the plate after that surgery.

    If you don’t agree, fine. Just don’t hand me the crap of “kicking someone when they are down”. Its nonsense. Just as you quoting Joe Girardi in a glass half full statement over a guy he has benched because he hasn’t hit all year.

    You may have a hard time understanding this but, the Yankees are asking the same questions we are in here about Posada. Its a logical discussion.

    86,

    The Yankees like to pick their spots with Boras. They don’t like being on the firing line when he is playing off free agents against teams. Its why they bowed out of the ARod talks until Arod bagged him and its why Pudge told Boras to cut the crap when he tried to negotiate more into the deal when the Tigers and Yankees were talking trade.

    They are going nuts with him right now over Cole.

    The Yankees aren’t going to be foils as Boras drives up the price on Tex. They have other avenues to go before going that route.

    The Angels aren’t bringing back Garrett Anderson or KRod. They have plenty of money for Tex.

    I don’t think the Angels would have traded Kasey Kotchman to rent Tex. I think their plan is to sign him and I think Boras will make that happen.

    Then, he will tell the Dodgers, “You better sign Manny or the Angels will own LA”.

    That’s what Scott and, with the exception the Arod stuff last off-season rarely misses his mark.

  167. yankee2123 August 7th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    @ Pete

    In a couple (or Few?) months Giambi can be someone else’s “Big Cheating Goon.” He’s been a stain on this franchise for the past seven years. Having him, Pavano, Farnsworth, and hopefully Igawa gone, we can move on without underpeforming, rip-off contract players. Too bad we’ll still be saddled with Arod’s monster choke artist contract.

  168. Bubba August 7th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Give me a break, If there’s one thing we have learned over the years is the Patriot’s have ALWAYS overcome a big name leaving the team and someone else stepping it up. For one thing the East is a cakewalk and by playoff time there ducks will be all in a row. They are a dynasty, thats how it works.

  169. HouseThatRoidsBuilt August 7th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    I’m sure all Yankee fans would appreciate the honesty if Ortiz ever admits to juicing the way you all love Giambi for being honest, right? didn’t think so. Hilarious/pathetic. Let’s look at all the DFA demands from April. Guess he got a new shipment of HGH since then.

  170. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (Please read my blog) August 7th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

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    I hope you’re not Bubba Franks.

  171. loppdeloop August 7th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    “If the Yankees signed Dunn, next season when he’s batting .220 with 150 strikeouts, you’d be destroying Cashman or whoever the GM is for letting Giambi walk away.”

    You are 100% wrong. Maybe others would jump on Cashman. But I certainly wouldn’t. Batting average is overrated. Dunn gets on base quite frequently and is a huge power threat. He is an impact force with the bat. Essentially, he is a better, healthier, younger, more powerful version of the Giambi from the last couple of years. And that is very valuable.

  172. G. Love August 7th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    I don’t see anyone kicking Jorge around in here.

    There’s a camp of people who want him to be the new 1b and there’s a camp of people who want him to catch 80 games and DH 80 games next season if healthy.

    But that’s what you get in this blog. You dare say anything about a Yankee and you’re a traitor and a fake fan who only came here since 96.

    My feeling is if Jorge can catch 80 games and Molina the rest, next season, that’s better than 160 games of Jorge at 1b where he isn’t comfortable, won’t be comfortable after 1 spring training and where we need to bring in a guy with 1b skills to handle the defense as well as hit.

    I’m not sold on Texeira. I think there will be some teams looking to dump underperforming 1b from this season like Konerko, Garko, etc.

    Konerko has an ugly contract and isn’t hitting this year, but would you trade Damon or Matsui straight up for him to play 1b next season?

    I don’t know if I would, but it intrigues me.

    Garko is going to be pushed out by LaPorta and the need to play Victor Martinez at 1b, not to mention Hafner who looks like he’s done.

    I don’t love Garko, he’s having a bad season, but he’s another option that will probably be out there.

    Not to mention all the AAA guys who are blocked in other organizations.

    Whatever happened to that Shealy kid who was supposed to be a future stud at 1b?

  173. bartonbickle August 7th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Mark Feinsand is reporting that Pettitte is going to miss his next start.

    I’ll see everybody next year.

  174. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    SJ—

    I agree the Angels have to be viewed as favorites. But I think Mr. Boras’ days of telling is players where to play is over. If the Yanks make a strong offer they can always leak it to Tex through other channels…. I’m just saying it shouldn’t be ruled out.

    With Matthew Brown in AAA (25 years old, .317 21 69) andMark Trumbo in AA (22 years old, .286 29 74) renting Tex wouldn’t be out of the question since 1B is perhaps the strongest position in the organization.

    KRod and Vlad should be their top priorities considering their history with the team. As much as the Yanks value Mo, KRod is the second best in the game and they can’t be dumb enough to just watch him walk… can they?

  175. John H. August 7th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    How is batting average overrated…?

  176. jennifer August 7th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Oh god!! Now Pettitte too, this team is snake bitten. :(

  177. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 7th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    As if the Yankees didn’t have enough problems in the starting rotation already, it now appears that Andy Pettitte might be forced to miss his next start.

    According to a source with knowledge of the situation, Pettitte has been experiencing stiffness in his left arm, though it is unclear whether it is his shoulder or elbow that has been bothering him.

    The issue will likely keep the lefthander from taking the mound on Sunday in Anaheim, which would force the Yankees to find yet another arm to fill a spot in the rotation.

    Pettitte has been hit hard in each of his last two outings, giving up nine runs in 5 1/3 innings against the Angels on July 31 and five runs in five innings on Tuesday night against the Rangers.

    Darrell Rasner, who was yanked from the rotation this week in favor of Dan Giese, is the only possible option on the active roster to take Pettitte’s start. The Yankees could also dip down to the minors for Chase Wright, Alfredo Aceves or Kei Igawa, though none are on the 40-man roster.

    The Yankees have Ian Kennedy set to return from the minors to make the start on Friday in Anaheim, while Giese is lined up to pitch Saturday against the Angels.

    Pettitte is 12-9 with a 4.34 ERA this year, combining with Mike Mussina (14-7, 3.44) to solidify the top of the rotation in the absence of Chien-Ming Wang. With Joba Chamberlain on the disabled list and likely out for at least three weeks with rotator cuff tendonitis, an injury to Pettitte would leave yet another huge hole to fill for the Yankees during their postseason drive.

    Well, that would certainly explain why he’s been having so much trouble.

  178. Matt August 7th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    hey chad bradford would have been an upgrade for us. what gives?

  179. Al from BK August 7th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    “Mark Feinsand is reporting that Pettitte is going to miss his next start.

    I’ll see everybody next year.”

    This season was over when Joba was clutching his right shoulder on Monday, but yeah I get your point.

  180. Matt August 7th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    New rotation:

    1. Mussina
    2. Ponson
    3. Giese
    4. Kennedy
    5. Rasner

    SOLID

  181. Y's Guy August 7th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    i think we mostly all agree that if posada is able to catch next year, thats where we want him. but that isnt’ very likely. more likely his 38 y/o shoulder will strengthen throughout the year, but its not likely he’ll be ready to start the season behind the plate.

    the yankees cant wait till spring training to decide what to do with pudge. it may be more prudent to count on him as dh/1b at the start of the season and work him back into catching as the shoulder gets stronger.

    so what we’re discussing is just what would be the best way to deal with him next year to get max productivity out of him. thats far from kicking him when he’s down, its accomodating a recovering but still vital part of the team.

  182. Kevin August 7th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    But Chase Wright is on the 40 man….

  183. Patrick Bateman August 7th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Sorry. I’m not rooting for Giambi to pass any milestones.

    I want him to perform in games, but giving him mentions for passing historical homerun leaders is just wrong.

  184. you heard it here first.... August 7th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    rotation on sept 1st: moose, andy, hughes, kennedy, pavano

  185. Tank August 7th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    That is a championship rotation.

  186. Andrew August 7th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    “You are 100% wrong. Maybe others would jump on Cashman. But I certainly wouldn’t. Batting average is overrated. Dunn gets on base quite frequently and is a huge power threat. He is an impact force with the bat. Essentially, he is a better, healthier, younger, more powerful version of the Giambi from the last couple of years. And that is very valuable.”

    No way is that 100% wrong. It’s more than just Dunn’s numbers. He is just as bad defensively as Giambi. You can say batting average is an overrated stat all you want, but if you want to plug a .220 hitter into the middle of the lineup and make him the Yankees’ everyday first baseman because his greatest skills are hitting home runs and striking out? Dunn is bringing zero intangibles to the plate as well since he looks like the kind of guy who could care less how many times he strikes out or how bad he looks at the plate. People question his passion to play baseball, but you want to put him on the most heavily-scrutinized team in the league and expect him to just do his thing and mash?

    No way. I’d rather get 15-20 home runs, good defense and a good team player at 1B then a one-dimensional lug like Dunn.

  187. Nick in SF August 7th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    If Ponson rises one more slot in the rotation, Queen Beatrix is going to have to give him a promotion too.

  188. nowayout August 7th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    “As much as the Yanks value Mo, KRod is the second best in the game and they can’t be dumb enough to just watch him walk”

    I disagree. KRod is not the 2nd best. Nathan and Papelbon have pitched at an elite level the last few years. You could easily make a case that they are each better than KRod. Soria is also very very good. KRod is good, but he isn’t some irreplacebale commodity, at least not at that cost.

    Guys fill in as good closers all the time at a much cheaper price than 5 years 75 million, which is close to what KRod will want. Obviously the guy is awesome, but it isn’t a no-brainer by any means. That is a huge amount of money to give to a dude who pitches 80 innings a year. I don’t expect him to return to LAA because that cost isn’t very practical for them, especially if they expect to re-sign Teixeira, which is a higher priority.

  189. Bubba August 7th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Early SuperBowl odds:
    Pats 3 1/2 to 1
    CBoys 6 to 1
    Colts 7 to 1
    Giants 15 to 1
    Jets 30 to 1

    They are not in the business to lose money.

  190. S.A.-We need you back soon Phil Hughes. This offense is still offensive. August 7th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

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  191. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    86,

    Boras has two types of clients. “True believers”, who do anything he tells them to do, and “just get me the #$#$% money” guys.

    Arod, until last year, and Tex are true believers. Tex is staying in Boras’ guest house for the duration of the season. He does what Scott tells him to do.

    Let’s face it, Anaheim isn’t a bad place to play. Arte Moreno is one of the best owners in the game, its a great organization and Orange County is a nice place to live.

    Its not like Boras is telling him to go to Kansas City.

    Guys like Manny fall into the, “Get me the #$##$% catagory of Boras clients. He wants a big contract and he believes Boras will get it for him.

    When you look at the landscape, the Dodgers have the money and the need to pay him. That is of course, if he keeps doing what he is doing.

    Scott will play it out with all the “Mystery teams” nonsense during the negotiating period in free agency.

    However, when the dust clears, I expect Tex to sign a big deal with the Angels and Manny with the Dodgers.

  192. Bombshell August 7th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    “New rotation:

    1. Mussina
    2. Ponson
    3. Giese
    4. Kennedy
    5. Rasner

    SOLID”

    Am I missing something here or what happened to Pettitte?

  193. loppdeloop August 7th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    “No way is that 100% wrong…I’d rather get 15-20 home runs, good defense and a good team player at 1B then a one-dimensional lug like Dunn.”

    You missed my point. I understand that there are people who dislike so-called one-dimensional players like Dunn. I personally think those people have no idea what they are talking about. But that has nothing to do with what I claimed he was incorrect about. He stated that I would jump all over Cashman for signing Dunn if he only bats .220. And that is what he is 100% wrong about, because there is a 0% chance that I will be complaining about Adam Dunn next year if he is batting .220 as a Yankee. Maybe you will complain. But I won’t, and that is what he is wrong about.

    Oh and can you please explain why Adam Dunn doesn’t fill in the “good team player” aspect of your preferred player. What, is this guy selfishly sabotaging the performance of his teammates or something. Numbers aside, he seems like a good team player to me.

  194. SJ44 August 7th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    The stuff between Krod and the Angels has gotten personal.

    Krod was ready to sign a deal with the Angels prior to the season. Before signing it, he told Moreno he wanted to be the highest paid closer in the game. Moreno, believing they had agreed to a deal, told him he’s not being paid more money than Mariano Rivera. Krod didn’t sign the deal and decided to play it out.

    Ironically, he may end up getting more money than Mariano in free agency. It just won’t be from the Angels.

    If I had to guess, I’d guess he gets it from the Tigers.

  195. Y's Guy August 7th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    bubba what were those odds for the pats and giants this time last year?

  196. Count of Montefusco August 7th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    I’m baffled by the notion that Jorge wouldn’t make an excellent first baseman. And I’m someone who believes it’s as important a position as any other.

    To begin with, he’s a lefty with a big frame, two prerequisites. He also has exceptionally strong legs, and quick hands.

    He was originally an infielder — the Yankees drafted him as a shortstop.

    Finally: he has made a career out of digging balls out of the dirt. That’s why he’s called a “catcher.”

    Jorge’s a grinder with a great deal of pride; I have no doubt he’d work those ears off in Tampa this winter to master the position. Judging his capability at 1B on these few, sporadic stints the last couple seasons is pretty foolish.

  197. Bubba August 7th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    One freak catch ruined the perfect season.

  198. Count of Montefusco August 7th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    I’m baffled by the notion that Jorge wouldn’t make an excellent first baseman. And I’m someone who believes it’s as important a position as any other.

    To begin with, he’s a lefty with a big frame, two prerequisites. He also has exceptionally strong legs, and quick hands.

    He was originally an infielder — the Yankees drafted him as a shortstop.

    Finally: he has made a career out of digging balls out of the dirt. That’s why he’s called a “catcher.”

    Jorge’s a grinder with a great deal of pride; I have no doubt he’d work those ears off in Tampa this winter to master the position. Judging his capability at 1B on these few, sporadic stints the last couple seasons is pretty foolish.

    I also feel that he would be more likely to have improved numbers offensively without the burden of catching. Aside from being relieved of that position’s physical toll, he would have the advantage of spending more time in the cage, working w/ Long and concentrating on mashing the ball.

  199. 86w183 August 7th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Count—

    1. He wont have shin guards, a mask and a chest protector at first base… it’s all about hand quickness there and I don’t believe he has it.

    2. He’s not a lefty, he’s right handed just like 100 % of the catchers in baseball… as a lefty I find that kind of bigotry offensive

    3. He signed as a second baseman, but hasn’t been there in a very long time. He’s appeared in 25 games at 1B

    4. If you want to remove a burden, trade Matsui so Jorge can be a catcher/DH, which makes a lot more sense

  200. Count of Montefusco August 7th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    My bad on his handedness. My mother is a southpaw, I mean no offense.

    But what does his gear have to do w/ catching the ball? Is it velcro or something?

    Also 2B v. SS is kind of splitting hairs, no?

  201. VT Yankeefan August 7th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Congrats Jason!

    Incidentally Jeter is 2,477 hits. That’s 89th all time and Pudge is at 2,587 hits good enough for 73rd all time. A-rod has 2,360 meaning all 3 of these guys should be members of the 3,000 hit club in a few years.

  202. BJ August 8th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    “he’s our big goon and he’s hilarious” sums it up so perfectly. he’s possibly the most popular player in the bigs. i just love him, even when he’s stunk.

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