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Mussina proves his point – and then some

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 08, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Mike Mussina was 1-3 with a 5.75 ERA after his first four starts this season. He was finished, that was the consensus among fans and most of us in the media. But Mussina didn’t give up.

The Moose is 14-4 with a 2.85 ERA in his last 20 starts. Now 15-7 with a 3.27 ERA, he’s going to get votes for the Cy Young Award and has a chance to win 20 games for the first time in his career.

In a season when one young gun after another goes down with an injury, Moose has been a rock. He didn’t have good stuff tonight and he struck out six as Texas was shut out at home for the first time since last August.

“He’s been a constant for us all year. We’ve been able to count on him to take the ball every five days. Every start, he gives us a good start,” Joe Girardi said. “Moose has been the leader of the staff.”

Johnny Damon made a great point tonight on his way out of the clubhouse tonight.

“If Moose pitches like this, he can pitch as long as he wants,” he said. “They need to bring him back next year. Where would we be without him?”

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159 Responses to “Mussina proves his point – and then some”

  1. Rishi August 8th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Let’s worry about next year over the winter some time…

    But great showing by Moose tonight!!!

  2. CB August 8th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    It’s amazing how Moose is missing bats this year – just amazing. His outstanding control has been the key to his success but his ability to miss bats without his velocity seems to have come out of nowhere. What a year.

    They’re going to bring him back next year on a one year deal. Both him and Pettite – and that’s even if they get CC.

  3. Binzokun August 8th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    Mike Mussina = ACE.

    enough said.

  4. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Where would the Yankees be without Moose?

    Under .500.

    It’s utterly amazing how no ONE, no, not even Trisha, saw this coming at the start of this year.

    I remember going to one of Mussina’s first starts in Boston, against Josh Beckett, and I was staying with my friend who is as much a Sox fan as I am a Yankee fan. I told him that he’d probably get a kick out of the game, and I wouldn’t mind just because it was a chance to see Fenway, and, hey, it was my birthday.

    You know what? Had Mussina not pitched to Manny, the Yankees would have won the game.

    As it was, the game ended 4-3—far closer than the shallacking a lot of people expected.

    Should have realized that would foreshadow the season to come.

    Now, just as long as Moose doesn’t have to pitch to Baltimore again, maybe ever, we should be all right for the rest of the season.

  5. Rishi August 8th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    and Putz gets out of it – unbelievable

  6. MoBoy(aka McLovin) August 8th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    Mussina would be good next year.But people like Giambi and Pettitte should be shown the door.

  7. Don Capone August 8th, 2008 at 12:18 am

    I really credit Manny for turning around Moose’s season. I think the way Manny just killed Moose early on finally convinced Mussina that he wasn’t 29 anymore, and he had to start pitching differently. So, Thanks Manny!

  8. Bombshell August 8th, 2008 at 12:19 am

    Since he’s had a horrible game so far I’ll call a Beltre walkoff bomb.

  9. Bombshell August 8th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    And instead Ibanez ends it…M’s win!!!

  10. CanIGetAMooseCall August 8th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    If Yanks can find a way to make the playoffs, Moose is going to WIN the cy young award this year.

  11. Rishi August 8th, 2008 at 12:21 am

    whoever called the Ibanez HR wins!!

  12. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! August 8th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Moose has been great this year, no question. We wouldn’t be in contention without him.

    I think he has 9 or 10 more starts if I’m not mistaken, so 20 wins is possible.

    Let’s Go Yanks!

  13. S.A.-We need you back soon Phil Hughes. This offense is still offensive. August 8th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Moose just rocks.

  14. RS August 8th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    i would rather bring Moose back next year than Pettitte. Mussina has better command and more pitches to work with than Pettitte, which makes it easier for him to pitch with diminished velocity. I wouldn’t mind bringing Andy back next year, but not at $16 million.

  15. S.A.-We need you back soon Phil Hughes. This offense is still offensive. August 8th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Thank you Ibanez.

  16. george August 8th, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Moose has pitched so aggressively this year. not nearly as much nibbling as last year. it’s fun watching

  17. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! August 8th, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Question about tomorrow night:

    Was Kennedy the only option? Who else could have pitched?

    Just seems like a tall order to ask Kennedy to pitch against the best team in the league for his first game back…

    But it certainly will do wonders for his confidence if he succeeds!

  18. raymagnetic August 8th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    I was one of the few who never said that Mussina was done. In fact David Pinto and I discussed Moose’s doneness on his blog in April. I post on Pinto’s blog anytime Moose picks up another win to ask Pinto if he still thinks Moose will be replaced by Joba by May.

    :twisted:

  19. Bombshell August 8th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Well I knew it would be someone but didn’t think Ibanez…that’s his first walkoff blast since 2004.

  20. pat August 8th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Good call Bombshell!

  21. Someone Else August 8th, 2008 at 12:26 am

    CB – what’s the deal on Melancon being a reliever and not a starter? Just never had a starter’s stamina?

    Fastball/curveball/changeup sounds like an amazing combo in a reliever – reminds me of pre-injury Gagne.

  22. Bronx Jeers August 8th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Moose was funny talking about the Hamilton at bat wasn’t he. He ‘s got this self-depreciating way of summarizing his performance that I find entertaining…and refreshing. The best free agent pitcher signing for the yankees since the first one(Catfish), maybe better.

    Man I wish he could get that ring. This years such a longshot…I hope he’s back next year. Why wouldn’t he be?
    Petes’ right about him getting Cy Young votes. I guess he would be 2nd or 3rd as of right now but who knows with these zany writers. They voted for Colon after all.

    Cone and Kenny talked about his HOF resume and it was good. When you think about his success in this hitters era. And what they did not mention was that it is all in the AL east. Moose might have the stuff to get in right now and I think he can go at least a couple of more years. 300 wins could be in his reach.

    Look at all the current starters out there and tell me who is gonna get 300 wins. That plateau is nearly impossible in this day and age. Moose could be the last of the 300 game winners if he does indeed achieve that.

  23. Dave August 8th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Damon is right.

    Why would you want a scrub like Ian Kennedy starting games for you in the new stadium when you can have a proven commodity?

    Bring him back… he’ll accept a 1 yr deal.

  24. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    Wow, Seattle won? When I checked they were 0-2 on Ibañez.

    Guess I checked too soon.

  25. mel August 8th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    Only 6 back in the loss column. As I said in the last thread, if the Rays would’ve beaten Hernandez with one run, then that would not have bode well for the Al east.

    Tampa’s on a 10 game roadie, so it should be interesting to see how they play away from the fish tank.

  26. lil' m August 8th, 2008 at 12:29 am

    Moose is awesome – I hope they bring him back.

  27. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 12:30 am

    All right, guys, I have to ask:

    Last football season, at a similar point of the season–with 30% of the season left–did anyone think the Giants had a legitimate shot at the Super Bowl?

    I’m asking honest, here–I’m a Jets fan, I don’t know what Giants fans think!

  28. Jorge Tabata August 8th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    I’m so excited for Melancon next year… the guy is going to be a stud.

  29. Bombshell August 8th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    “Last football season, at a similar point of the season–with 30% of the season left–did anyone think the Giants had a legitimate shot at the Super Bowl?”

    That was right after Eli threw four ridiculous picks against Minny in Giants Stadium…so I would be lying if I said yes lol. No way was I thinking that. I believed after we ran the Pats close to 15-1.

  30. Bombshell August 8th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    “Last football season, at a similar point of the season–with 30% of the season left–did anyone think the Giants had a legitimate shot at the Super Bowl?”

    That was right after Eli threw four ridiculous picks against Minny in Giants Stadium…so I would be lying if I said yes lol. No way was I thinking that. I believed after we ran the Pats close to 15-1.

  31. GreenBeret7A August 8th, 2008 at 12:35 am

    I read somewhere that last year Mussina had someing close to 4-5% success at missing bats. If that’s the case, that is brutal.

  32. Kevin August 8th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    Bring back both Pettitte and Moose, and then sign CC too…

    As we see time and time again, you can NEVER have too much pitching.

    1 – CC
    2 – Wang
    3 – Pettitte
    4 – Moose
    5 – Joba / Phil / Kennedy

  33. mel August 8th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    Hey, Roy Oswalt is 20-1 against Cincy. Is that the best record against any team for an active pitcher?

    My hopes for tomorrow:

    1. Yankees continue BP against the Weave
    2. Molina catches
    3. Molina guides IPK through a quality start
    4. IPK takes the guidance
    5. a Yankee victory

  34. aado August 8th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Hey – You had to figure that Moose would figure it out … I mean, the guy went to Stanford …

  35. Nick in SF August 8th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Since the Patriots were pre-ordained to go on to their perfect season — sorry, Perfect Season –, no, this Giants fan wasn’t really thinking Super Bowl champs.

    I did feel pretty good about the Super Bowl after Tyree made the helmet catch!

  36. kasey August 8th, 2008 at 12:38 am

    from previous thread:

    August 8th, 2008 at 12:31 am
    GB7 – cool guidry story.
    mel – yeah, i never expected to get rich playing music. if i can get by, that’s pretty satisfying to me. i moved south of bellingham, back to portland where i grew up. but, the NW is still the NW. i’m certainly less involved in this year’s team than i was last year, which probably explains being more “calm” or rational. it’s tough for me to pull for a team that employs two of the people i dislike most in baseball in arod and girardi, but we’re all just cheering for the laundry, as somebody once said. i was really excited about hughes, joba and, to a far lesser extent, kennedy, going in to the season, so it’s been a bummer in that regard.

    re: moose –

    i was all over the guy last year and coming in to this year. he has proved most everyone wrong. it’s been great to watch. he’s put on an absolute pitching clinic this year. i hope the kids are taking note.

  37. Bombshell August 8th, 2008 at 12:39 am

    “I read somewhere that last year Mussina had someing close to 4-5% success at missing bats. If that’s the case, that is brutal.”

    2007: 9% of strikes were swinging, hitters made contact 86% of their swings
    2008: 7% of strikes are swinging, hitters make contact 89% of their swings

  38. mel August 8th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    Ack! Never mind. Pudge is due back. They had Christian catch in the bullpen, but Girardi’s standards are pretty high.

    Rebecca,

    Would love to talk Jets football with you. Giants? Not so much. :)

    If you get the Brett that’s going to play smart football, you’ve got a gem. A winner. That’s all you need to know. I also think he doesn’t give a spit what those city slicker beat writers think.

  39. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    Kevin, Joba has a spot in the rotation, no question.

    If he is healthy he won’t be ighting for it; he’s more than earned it.

  40. Nick in SF August 8th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    And by the way, Bret Favre is not an ace!

  41. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    mel: I’m a Jets fan but unlike my brothers i’m not nearly as big a football fan as I am a baseball and hockey fan.

    Maybe it’s because I went to Syracuse and got to observe the worst three year span in the team’s history…

  42. Rob NY August 8th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Yeah Rebecca i’m on board with that line of thinking. I was at that Minny game and was one of the few thousand still there at the end. The Post had a picture of my section with some stupid catchline.

    That night against the Pats I knew they’d win the super bowl though. The people in my section are all regulars and we sort of decided the Pats had that Randy Moss back breaker in them but the way the G-Men fought you knew they had a shot.

    I’m waiting to see it out of this Yankee team. Something that makes you say “Oh okay there could be some magic here.” Nady is a start. He just screams “the new Oneil” to me. If they can rattle off another decent win streak sign me up as saying they’ll make the ALCS.

  43. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 8th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    81-69 Rays with a dozen 2 play….bet on it !

  44. Russell W August 8th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    “As we see time and time again, you can NEVER have too much pitching.

    1 – CC
    2 – Wang
    3 – Pettitte
    4 – Moose
    5 – Joba / Phil / Kennedy”

    Can you say “stacked”? Next year is going to be ridiculous if we remain healthy.

  45. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 8th, 2008 at 12:44 am

    Oh I mean to ask what Rebecca she thought about the Jets getting Favre. Her and Jennifer are the only girl Jets fans I know of.

  46. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 8th, 2008 at 12:44 am

    *meant … damn laptop keyboard thingy.

  47. kasey August 8th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    i think it’s cool that a lot of people here are so optimistic. that’s not sarcasm. it’s fun to see people get so excited about the chances of a miracle comeback.

    i do think it’s worth remembering that this yankee team is not at full strength and will not be for the rest of the year. wang’s not coming back. neither is jorge. matsui MAY, and how effective he’ll be is a big question mark. remember when sheffield came back late in the year a few years back and was inserted into the lineup because he was THE gary sheffield? that didn’t turn out well. hideki matsui only helps the yankees if he hits the way he can. just having his name on the lineup card doesn’t do anything.

    joba may come back, he may not. remains to be seen. it’s important to remember that they were a third place team WITH joba.

    hughes and kennedy didn’t exactly set the world on fire earlier this year. i think we all hope they can improve, but to count on it seems dicey.

    the offense has not been anything remotely resembling consistent and, even though they won the last two nights, they continue to waste opportunities to score runs, as they have all year.

    and now, andy pettitte has, at the least, a “tired arm.” maybe it’s nothing. i hope so. i’d hate to see him go down, too but, judging by his last two performances, something’s not right.

    so, this year, even more than the last few, they’ve got an awful lot to overcome.

  48. raymagnetic August 8th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Angel,

    Just read your post about the fake Don Vito the other night.

  49. Steve August 8th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Muss has had incredible success pitching in the most dominant division in baseball. In fact, he is 265-151 over his career.

    Since his first full season, 1992, there have been 15 World Series. 8 of them have been won by the AL East, and the AL East has been in 10 World Series. Mussina was not on any of the WS winners.

    Yankees: 6 appearances, 4 wins
    Red Sox: 2 appearances, 2 wins
    Blue Jays: 2 appearances, 2 wins

    265 may not seem like a lot of wins… but in this steroid era, in that division, he should be in the HOF. Had he been in the National League, I’m guessing he is much closer to 300.

  50. kasey August 8th, 2008 at 12:48 am

    i’m not sure why CC is assumed to be a sure thing. yeah, they’ll throw a ton of money at him but, if i’m CC, why leave the NL?

    just sayin’.

  51. Bronx Jeers August 8th, 2008 at 12:48 am

    Rebecca,

    I don’t have the same passion for 1 NY team regarding football like I do for baseball but I have always leaned Jets. I really became a Giant guy during the last game of the season As they nearly beat the Pats just as I was a rabid Raven fan for about 10 mins when they almost beat the Pats. I just loathe them. (Anybody rememebr that Mon. night game. It actually still haunts me… A little.)

    I wasn’t sure they would make it past the Bucs but once they did I wanted noting more than a Superbowl rematch. The rest was a real dream…but to answer your question I follow NY football and I never gave the Gints a chance until that last game of the season. 30% to go I thought they were the 2007 Mets.

    Also if you look at the Jets schedule you can see a decent chance at 9-10 wins. But if they beat the Pats once… especially in the 1st game ( and they usually play good against those bastard cheaters), they’ll be legit 2nd rung contenders. A lot of things have to go right and this will be the real test of Mangini(genius or just whatever) but regardless, it could be fun.

  52. Yewnork August 8th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    ipk should take a tape of tonights game by moose and watch it three times tonight, then put the tape under his pillow and hope to absorb some of this magic.

  53. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 8th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    Rebecca, my husband is a Giants fan and I’d say two thirds of the way into the season he was convinced they wouldn’t even make the playoffs. I still don’t think he can quite believe to this day, that they won the Superbowl, lol.

    I think it was when they beat Green Bay in that horrifically cold gruelling game, that he began to think that they might have a microscopic chance, given their previous showing against the Patriots.

  54. Steve O August 8th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    Remember when the season started. We had a rotation of Wang,Pettitte,Moose,Hughes and Kennedy with Joba in the pen.

    When Joba was ready to start the first person most of us thought would get bumped from the rotation was Mussina.

    April was a long long time ago.

  55. S.A.-We need you back soon Phil Hughes. This offense is still offensive. August 8th, 2008 at 12:50 am

    Last football season, at a similar point of the season–with 30% of the season left–did anyone think the Giants had a legitimate shot at the Super Bowl?

    Honestly no. I thought they would make the playoffs, make a little noise, then go home. I was pleasantly surprised by them.

    Just make the playoffs and anything can happen.

  56. JoeT 28 in 09!! Start Geise! Burn out Pavano, get what we can August 8th, 2008 at 12:50 am

    wow – 10 of 15 ws had the AL east…. that’s pretty amazing

  57. mel August 8th, 2008 at 12:50 am

    kasey,

    A-rod’s A-rod. A lighting rod. But we have to grin and bear it. We have 10 years to fall in love.

    I like Girardi. I think the ladies like him in general, though. Gotta credit him for building a bullpen. His crazy patterns in the beginning make sense now. But don’t get on his bad side (ahem Kennedy, Cabrera).

    I want them to win it all this season, get the monkey off their back, and start fresh in ’09. Get rid of Giambi. Don’t mind Abreu, but wouldn’t give him years. Bring back Moose and Pettitte because they deserve to pitch in the new stadium. Pray Matsui’s healthy because he’s always been a rock for us. Hope Posada comes back 100%. Get a good mix of veteran and young pitching. Mainly, I want them to get back to having fun and not being so uptight. They have a black cloud hanging over them like the grim reaper or something.

    Good times are around the corner, even though it seems like they can’t get here soon enough.

  58. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 8th, 2008 at 12:50 am

    I agree it didnt sound like him. And the name typo kind of confirmed it for me, lol.

  59. ellen August 8th, 2008 at 12:50 am

    kasey: good to see you back.

  60. JoeT 28 in 09!! MOOSE FOR HOF, MO FOR CY YOUNG YANKS FOR PLAYOFFS!! August 8th, 2008 at 12:51 am

    8 of those are wins too

  61. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    Angel: I watched the NFC championship game on a night where the windchill in Syracuse was below 0. It was beyond me how those linebackers could be out there without sleeves!

    I like the Favre trade for the Jets just because we so desperately needed a quarterback.

    Hoping Favre stays healthy, I think the Jets are a legitimate Wild Card contender. I don’t think they can win the division because the Patriots are the Patriots, but that said, they did lose Asante Samuel who i think was a very underrated part of that team.

    Favre makes the Jets a lot better. A Super Bowl looks like a long shot…

    …but, as you all have stated here, no one thought the Giants were going to do that, either.

  62. mel August 8th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    I even asked Don Vito if that was him because it was so out of character.

  63. Nick in SF August 8th, 2008 at 12:55 am

    I am not assuming CC will sign, I’m just coming around to the notion that they should throw too much money and too many years at him. He might just want to come west. He has was the kids call a ‘sick crib’ in his hometown of Vallejo. They did a feature on it in the local paper once, it was LOL funny. And Vallejo is not known for its sick cribs.

  64. raymagnetic August 8th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Angel,

    I didn’t even realize the Bellamo was spelled incorrectly. That’s what happens when you try to read blog posts after going to a bar!

  65. mel August 8th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Kind of karmic that Murphy’s out 2-4 weeks and Pudge is out 2-4 days.

    I don’t recall seeing any outrage on the play. Even though it took place 3 feet from the plate. Can you imagine if A-rod did that? The baseball world would explode.

  66. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, (Santana's not here, he's not coming!!!!) August 8th, 2008 at 12:59 am

    Definite kudos to Moose for being able to reinvent himself. Everytime that he has been written off, he comes back and pitches like his old self. This year has truly been an outstanding one for him.

    And things are looking up for the Jets, I must admit. That schedule doesn’t look too tough on paper, although that November 23rd game is a definite loss. :)

  67. G. Love August 8th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    If Moose wins 20, he gets the Cy Young ynless the Boston bias somehow gets Lester it.

    I feel like I have to write Moose a letter of apology for proclaiming he was done. I’ll design it as a crossword puzzle.

    What he’s done is nothing short of miraculous. This time last year, Torre was kicking him out of the rotation and they weren’t even going to let him pitch in relief. That’s how done they thought he was and appeared to be.

    That said, we can’t lose this Anaheim series. 2 out of 3 is a must.

    I hope IPK can prove me wrong because earlier this season he looked like a pitcher who did not belong in the show in any way, shape or form.

    He doesn’t want to pitch in AAA anymore? Prove it tomorrow night. No excuses about coaches and family in attendance.

    Pitch 6 solid innings and keep the team close. That’s his job. End of story.

  68. S.A.-We need you back soon Phil Hughes. This offense is still offensive. August 8th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    i’m not sure why CC is assumed to be a sure thing. yeah, they’ll throw a ton of money at him but, if i’m CC, why leave the NL?

    Maybe in addition to lots of money, the Yankees will offer him free cookies and candy? How can he refuse. :P

    But seriously though, CC to the Yankees is definitely not a 100% sure thing.

  69. PBL August 8th, 2008 at 1:01 am

    Did pete really rip Jeter for getting thrown out at second tonight? Ripping the guy when has a bad night is one thing, even though I still think that’s inappropriate, but ripping him when he knocks in 2 of our three runs? it’s not like he’s wilson betemit, the guy was a huge part in winning us 4 world series, have some respect.

  70. kasey August 8th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    mel – always hated arod, always will. don’t understand why people love the guy (though he’s a tremendous talent), but whatever. i don’t know about grinning, but we’ve got to bear it because he’s not going anywhere.

    i hope they win this year, too, but that’s an awfully tall order given the state of the rotation and how lackluster the offense has been. but, i suppose if it’s going to happen, the stadium’s last year would be the year. so long as joba comes back fine next season, i’ll be happy. watching that kid pitch is a joy.

  71. mel August 8th, 2008 at 1:05 am

    kasey,

    Yes, this would be the year. The ghosts owe us a couple, actually.

  72. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 1:08 am

    I know it’s incredibly superstitious, but I *really* wish Alex would change his number.

    I really do.

  73. max August 8th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    has alex had 13 his entire career?

  74. mel August 8th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    Rebecca,

    lol. I hate that number and I don’t know why anyone would choose it. Don’t they ever wonder why it’s always available? And he supposedly wears it because of Dan Marino, ironically the best to never win anything.

    Start the movement on your blog. The “We’re not booing you, we’re booing your number” movement.

  75. pat August 8th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    mel

    When was the last time that you remember the Yanks just playing and having fun?

    The 2nd half of last year was probably the closest because they were so far out that the expectations were lessened and people appreciated the effort to just get to the postseason.

    The last full season of relaxed and fun play was a long time ago.

  76. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, (Santana's not here, he's not coming!!!!) August 8th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    Things would be looking pretty good for Moose’s Cy Young candidacy in a world without Cliff Lee. He is someone else who has made an amazing turnaround. He and Moose are two major success stories this year, as it wasn’t long ago that Lee was down in the minors.

  77. Bronx Jeers August 8th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Mel,

    the play was totally clean. Spic n span clean. Murphy was sliding and had no idea what was about to transpire. I love Pudge for showing that ball as he is writhing in pain. He said last night he has no idea how he made it to the dugout.
    Pudge has been a real treat to watch behind the plate. He really is a head and shoulders above everybody defensively.

    3 plays that stand out for me:

    1. Making a socccer goalie like save to his right on a sure wild pitch. Totally sprawed out. I think it was Veras pitching.

    2. Taking a Joba fastball straight in the gut after a cross-up and squaring up on it without a flinch to keep a runner at bay.

    3. The Malachi Crunch like play at the plate on Murphy.

    And it s been what 6 games.

    I love Posada and even said last night that I thought he would have been a great Captain but he doesn’t usually make those type of plays

  78. pat August 8th, 2008 at 1:14 am

    “has alex had 13 his entire career?”

    I think he wore 3.

  79. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 1:14 am

    max:

    Alex wore 3 in Seattle and I think Texas.

    I guess you can figure out why he can’t wear it in New York.

  80. mel August 8th, 2008 at 1:15 am

    pat,

    The 4 rings in 5 years is something of a burden/curse. They’re under so much pressure to win. Especially after, you know, the thing from a few years ago.

  81. Bombshell August 8th, 2008 at 1:16 am

    “has alex had 13 his entire career?”

    He wore #3 with TX and SEA, then changed to 13 in ’04 obviously because of the Babe (and Marino who is his idol).

  82. Bronx Jeers August 8th, 2008 at 1:18 am

    “I know it’s incredibly superstitious, but I *really* wish Alex would change his number
    I really do.”

    I would have no problem at all if tomorrow he wasn’t at the game and we found out that he took a layover in Vegas to get “13 extended lap dances”

    Man he was terrible! We need that guy regardless of how everybody dogs him.

  83. max August 8th, 2008 at 1:18 am

    thanks guys…hmm thats weird i feel like if someones going to take on the big 13 it would be a entire career-maybe even entire life thing. ive always wondered why he chose 13, i guess he figured he couldnt have 3 so 13 is the next best thing, but come on someone should have told him haha

  84. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 8th, 2008 at 1:19 am

    Even if a Superbowl is a long shot for the Jets, they just have to be better than last year, and thats gotta be an exciting thought for the fans. They’ve made a lot of improvements over the offseason – so for their fans sake, I hope they pay off for a much better season.

  85. Jorge Tabata August 8th, 2008 at 1:21 am

    What a strange year in NY sports. Imagine if you were told a year ago that in 2008….

    Torre would be the Dodgers manager
    Manny Ramirez would be a Dodger as well
    Jerry Manual would take over for Willie
    Brett Farve would be QB of the Jets
    Giants would win the SB; Eli would win SB MVP
    Mike D’Antoni and Donnie Walsh would replace Isiah
    Pudge would be a Yankee
    Santana would be a Met
    Mattingly would be a Dodger, Girardi would be Yankee manager
    Arod would opt out and still sign a 10 yr deal
    Shockey would be traded
    Mets would be apart of the biggest collapse in MLB history
    Mussina would be on his way to 20 wins

  86. G. Love August 8th, 2008 at 1:21 am

    I never actually thought about the significance of Arod picking 13 for Marino who turned out to be one of the best players to never win a championship.

    Jesus. He has to change that number.

    Pete, we need someone in the media to just write into a story about this number quirk.

  87. Bombshell August 8th, 2008 at 1:21 am

    “thanks guys…hmm thats weird i feel like if someones going to take on the big 13 it would be a entire career-maybe even entire life thing. ive always wondered why he chose 13, i guess he figured he couldnt have 3 so 13 is the next best thing, but come on someone should have told him haha”

    Also he wore #13 when he played high school football (he was a darn good QB lol) so it was probably the natural alternative to #3.

  88. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, (Santana's not here, he's not coming!!!!) August 8th, 2008 at 1:25 am

    Not to beat it to death, but there really aren’t many players in sports who have had great success with the number 13, unless you count Joakim Noah during his career at Florida. 7 is always regarded as a lucky number, but A-Rod can’t wear that one either. :)

  89. SheffLowMein August 8th, 2008 at 1:29 am

    “If Moose wins 20, he gets the Cy Young ynless the Boston bias somehow gets Lester it.”

    If the Yankees don’t make the playoffs, Moose will definitely not win the award. The writers are suckers for playoff teams. Moose doesn’t even deserve the award either way, so I don’t mind him not winning it.

  90. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 1:29 am

    Jorge: Well, when you put it that way…

    G. Love: Perhaps you should email him :-P

  91. max August 8th, 2008 at 1:30 am

    just imagine if alex really did change his number (i know he never would) but the media would go insane. all the theories and insanity they would think of.

    the thing is i really like alex, i really do. i hated him after the opt-out, and then forgave after he explained himself. (im a sucker) and everytime hes at the plate in a big spot i think “this is it. hes going to show us all why hes the greatest baseball player ever” (not sure if i believe it, but i try to) and then he disappoints. but i think its ok hes saving it for an even bigger spot. i wonder when that time is.

    hmmm, if you could pick any number for alex what would it be? imagine if he did that-let the fans choose his number. would that win us over? well, that and a world series ring. we dont ask for much lol

  92. Igawa's buck teeth (Its all about 09!) August 8th, 2008 at 1:31 am

    My 09 rotation is CC,Wang,Joba,Pettitte,Hughes… Moose is pitching great this year but I dont think its what he is now. I rather let Hughes grow.

  93. Shirley August 8th, 2008 at 1:32 am

    When Mussina pitched poorly last year, I thought his career was coming to an end, and it was quite sad for me to see a good pitcher like him ending his career that way. What a wonderful surprise to see Mussina pitch so well this year! If he continues his outstanding performance, the Yankees should have him back next year.

  94. GreenBeret7A August 8th, 2008 at 1:32 am

    PLB, although one can never be certain of some of the reasons PA says what he does about the player, in particular, the ones he choses not to like, I believe that remark about Jeter was said in jest.

  95. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 1:34 am

    max: Any number that’s a multiple of 3 would work for me.

  96. G. Love August 8th, 2008 at 1:36 am

    Rebecca,

    You mean Pete doesn’t obsessively read all the comments curled up in bed at night?

    That’s it. I’m leaving then.

  97. Bombshell August 8th, 2008 at 1:36 am

    I’d give him #1 if it wasn’t already retired…his quest for championship number 1.

  98. GreenBeret7A August 8th, 2008 at 1:37 am

    Maybe Rodriguez could make a deal for #11 or #33, although Leyritz has some success with #13.

  99. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 1:37 am

    G. Love: Well, man, it was nice knowing you…

  100. kasey August 8th, 2008 at 1:41 am

    mel – 2004 crippled this team. we’ll never see a professional sports franchise freeze up collectively like that again in our lifetimes. ever since then (and even, to a lesser degree, long before that), this team has played like they’ve got the weight of the world on their shoulders.

  101. max August 8th, 2008 at 1:43 am

    Rebecca- i like 3′s and 7′s so i was thinking
    3-no explanation needed
    7-ditto
    17-justin christian
    23-Donnie baseball
    27-joe g. wow if alex had chosen 27 when he first got here, his whole tenure could have been different.
    33-bruney
    37-stengal
    43-razz
    47-ponson
    and now the numbers are way too high to be a good one. i guess its a good thing im not a yankee id have a tough choice to make haha.

    oooo i like 11. i also like 24 but im not sure if its because my favorite robbie c. wears it or i liked it before

  102. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 1:46 am

    kasey: Did you forget the Mets last year?

    Way I see it, any team can lose four games in a row. Not that Dave Roberts wasn’t out, but that’s not the point.

    Once the series got back to New York, the Yankees had lost all momentum.

    mel: Alex could probably get Brian Bruney to change it.

  103. Nick in SF August 8th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    Forget Bruney, he should give #33 to Arod in honor of the great New York Knick Patrick Ewi– um, never mind.

  104. kasey August 8th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    rebecca – roberts was safe. 2004 was awful, but let’s give credit where it’s due.

    the mets collapse was historic, absolutely, but the way they yankees froze up, man. it was just remarkable. in the worst way.

  105. mel August 8th, 2008 at 1:53 am

    Rebecca,

    Remember that you started the “We’re not booing you, we’re booing the number campaign.” I’ll be your campaign manager.

    Kobe changed his number and has had a rebirth. Maybe Alex will do the same.

    33 would be great. Nice smooth numbers.

    What’s Wanger? Chinese like the numbers 6 & 8

  106. mel August 8th, 2008 at 1:55 am

    Nick,

    Hey! Why all the Ewing hate? :)

    Ewing was a great player in an era and conference with one of the all time greats.

  107. Mrs. Met August 8th, 2008 at 1:55 am

    “we’ll never see a professional sports franchise freeze up collectively like that again in our lifetimes.”

    the probability of losing those 4 games in a row was a good amount higher than the probability of the mets losing a 7 game lead with 17 games left to play.

  108. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en '08, (Santana's not here, he's not coming!!!!) August 8th, 2008 at 1:57 am

    I agree that Alex’s number should be changed, anything to erase the bad karma of 13. Maybe all that it takes is putting a decimal point between the 1 and the 3. He can be introduced as Number One and One-Third or One and Three-Tenths. Switching numbers can be tough business sometimes.

  109. kasey August 8th, 2008 at 1:57 am

    mel,

    i think nick was alluding to the fact that ewing never won anything.

  110. kasey August 8th, 2008 at 1:58 am

    13 is a perfectly fitting number for alex.

  111. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 1:58 am

    kasey: 2004 I was a freshman at Syracuse. My roomate was a Sox fan, and there was a Yankee fan that lived down the hall. We watched the last four games tomorrow, and I didn’t talk to my roomate the rest of the year.

    After the election, my older brother joked about wanting to move to France.

    I don’t think he realized that when I said I would, I was serious.

    mel: As long as I don’t have to do any managing. I’d be bad at it.

  112. back bench August 8th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Please, as we revel in the revival de Moose this year, lets not forget the role Jose Molina is playing in getting these pitchers through the game. Last year, with Posada catching most of the time, offense won many of the games.

    This year, with the offense AWOL much of the time, Molina’s catching has made Yankee pitching (SP & BP) very much better. And as noted earlier, anyone see teams trying to steal on Moose like last year?

    It is amazing to me how one player can have such a multiplier effect on a entire team’s effort. Jose Molina is the Yankee’s MVP in 08.

    Oh, and BTW, whatever did happen to the “anti-Mussina?”

  113. mel August 8th, 2008 at 2:03 am

    kasey,

    Didn’t catch that. I was getting Nick back from last night. He didn’t like me picking on Aaron Rodgers. Who, ironically, hasn’t won anything either. :)

    Anyone remember the Mr. Met skits on one of the late night shows during the collapse? They were hilarious. Mrs. Met was fooling around with someone.

  114. Nick in SF August 8th, 2008 at 2:03 am

    kasey got it right. I love Patrick Ewing!

  115. pat August 8th, 2008 at 2:05 am

    I remember the Mr. Mets skits. I think they were on Conan O’Brien.

  116. mel-We're not booing you, we're booing the number August 8th, 2008 at 2:06 am

    I think that Alex should’ve had the day off. Start fresh in Anaheim.

    Hope he snaps out of it. Doesn’t he usually play well in front of Boras?

  117. Mrs. Met August 8th, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Yes, it was Conan obrien. he’s the best. Mrs. Met was bangin the Philli Fanatic. mr Met tried to kill himself by jumping out the window but his head was too big to get through the window. he then tried to kill himself by taking pills but the pills kept bouncing off his painted on mouth. He also tried to kill himself with a noose but it couldn’t fit around his head. The Philli Fanatic eventually shot Mr met with a shotgun and killed him. Conan kills off Mr Met atleast a couple times a year.

  118. GreenBeret7A August 8th, 2008 at 2:07 am

    For a team to shut down for 3 and a half games, though bad, in no way compares to shutting down for two months. Blowing a 14 game lead in two months is monumental. Over a shorter period of time, Philadelphia blowing a 6 game lead with 10 games to play is the worst.

  119. Mrs. Met August 8th, 2008 at 2:07 am

    oh mr Met also tried to shoot himself with a gun, but his fingers were unable to load the gun with bullets.

  120. max August 8th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    i was young in 2004 (guess im still young now) just starting to really get into baseball like watching every game and wasting my time reading internet blogs lol. i remember telling my dad, well the yanks are in the series after we went up 3-0 and he said you dont know that, anything can happen. and i was like please, no baseball team has ever lost after being up 3-0. it just doesnt happen. then after it happen i pretended like it never did. even now its so weird for me to think the sox actually won. twice. ew that feels so weird saying that.
    but id like to apoligize now to all yankees fans for jinxing it. i am so so so sorry.

  121. Nick in SF August 8th, 2008 at 2:10 am

    Hey, Aaron Rodgers has won lots of things!

    But they all came in college.

  122. Mrs. Met August 8th, 2008 at 2:10 am

    no need to apologize max. tom gordon and several other players are the ones responsible for that mess.

  123. kasey August 8th, 2008 at 2:13 am

    rebecca – word. i haven’t looked at the team the same way since 2004. i assume the absolute worst outcome in nearly every situation.

    i do understand, though, why yankees fans have the reputation for being spoiled, entitled frontrunners.

    i mean, just in the last few days, we’ve seen people call for derek jeter’s head, debasing his entire career because of an off year (an off year in which he’s hitting .285, mind you), ask how the yanks lost karstens, etc. it’s too bad because so many on this board are intelligent fans who have a lot invested in the team.

  124. mel-We're not booing you, we're booing the number August 8th, 2008 at 2:15 am

    Thanks, guys. I did a search for David and Jay, but not Conan.

    Speaking of, there’s a host controversy? Conan to take over, but Leno not ready to abdicate?

    BTW, Kinsler, Young, Hamilton, Laird, and Davis all had 0-fers. Byrd was 3 of 4. ;(

  125. Bronx Jeers August 8th, 2008 at 2:16 am

    Jorge Tabata August 8th, 2008 at 1:21 am

    What a strange year in NY sports. Imagine if you were told a year ago that in 2008…”

    All crazy but to that we could easily add…
    .

    The Yankees trail the AL east division leading Tampa Bay Rays by 5.5 games on Aug 7th

    Strange Days have found us!

  126. dreep August 8th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    Anybody debasing Jeter’s entire career based off of this down year is out of line. But Jeter’s .285 is not the problem this year. The problem is that his line drive rate is way down this year. He isn’t hitting the ball with as much authority as usual, even when he does get a hit. Hopefully it is just an aberration and he’ll bounce back from here on out.

  127. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    kasey: See, i know I’m spoiled with the Yankees–the other pro sports teams I follow are the Nets, Devils and Jets, and while the Devils did have a nice run winning three Stanley Cups in nine years or some such, the Nets and the Jets may very well be the most irrelevant teams in their leagues, at least, historically.

    So it makes me appreciate what the Yankees have that much ore.

  128. E-Man August 8th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    Mooooooooooose

    On hunt for 300.

    I hope he gets 2 more years and he retires as a yankee.

    And finally gets a ring.

  129. Mrs. Met August 8th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    “Speaking of, there’s a host controversy? Conan to take over, but Leno not ready to abdicate?”

    They announced that Conan will take over at somewhere near the end of May or beginning of June in 2009. Fallon is taking Conan’s current spot at that time as well. Leno will probably surface on another network, like ABC.

  130. kasey August 8th, 2008 at 2:20 am

    dreep,

    in my incredibly amateur opinion, jeter’s various ailments caught up with him this year. i’m sure there’s more to it than that, but he just doesn’t look the same at the plate or on the basepaths to me.

  131. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 2:21 am

    kasey, i think Jeter’s been playing hurt all year.

    He’s ot the type that will willingly sit a game…

  132. Pepitone August 8th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    Mike Mussina is having a terrific year and deserves a shot at Cy Young consideration. But, in my opinion, the real hero this year is Jose Molina – and I bet Mussina would back me up on that.

    What this guy does in calling a game, and playing great defense, more than makes up for his deficiencies with the bat.

    For me, he’s the MVP of the Yanks this year. If they do make the playoffs (and I’m on record saying they won’t) then you can thank Jose and his work with a patched up pitching staff for much of that.

  133. kasey August 8th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    “Fallon is taking Conan’s current spot at that time as well. ”

    the entertainment equivalent of pavano taking joba’s rotation spot.

  134. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 8th, 2008 at 2:23 am

    Pepitone, check this out

    http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....other.html

  135. Marc August 8th, 2008 at 2:24 am

    video of Hughes AAA start tonight on my youtube page.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/mookgiants

  136. mel-We're not booing you, we're booing the number August 8th, 2008 at 2:26 am

    I would stay up for Fallon. Jimmy, right?

    Remember how brutal Conan was when he first started?

  137. Mrs. Met August 8th, 2008 at 2:27 am

    “the entertainment equivalent of pavano taking joba’s rotation spot.”

    LOL…agreed.

  138. Pepitone August 8th, 2008 at 2:29 am

    “What the Yankees got was a catcher that has thrown out nearly 50% of all baserunners attempting to steal, helped Mike Mussina become the de facto ace of the Yankees staff, worked well with every pitcher in the rotation, and, oh yeah, he’s played in 64 of the Yankees 101 games thus far–well on pace to break his career high of 78 games played in 2006.” (quoted from “The Purest Bleed Pinstripes”)

    Rebecca, you and I think a lot alike! :)

  139. kasey August 8th, 2008 at 2:29 am

    “Remember how brutal Conan was when he first started?”

    dude was super awkward, but at least he and richter were funny. fallon was never, ever, ever funny. and never will be.

  140. pat August 8th, 2008 at 2:30 am

    From nj.com
    Carl misses the Pinstripes

    Physically, Pavano claims his body has responded well to the Tommy John surgery performed on him last season.

    “The ultimate goal is to put on that Yankee uniform,” he said after he threw 63 pitches, 38 for strikes against Akron.

    “I’d like to contribute,” Pavano said. “But I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself. That doesn’t do me any good.”

  141. polterg August 8th, 2008 at 2:30 am

    molina’s been great behind the plate. he is very good as far as backup catchers are concerned. but the dude was killing the team with his bat. that’s the point of why they traded for pudge. molina is a backup, not a starter. giving him too many at-bats is a detriment to the team. he is not even close to the team mvp. arod, moose, rivera, giambi, damon, pettitte, and joba are all way way way way way more valuable to the team this year. and there are probably several more players as well. he is fine as a backup, but entirely inadequate as a starter.

  142. kasey August 8th, 2008 at 2:32 am

    “I’d like to contribute,” Pavano said. “But I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself. That doesn’t do me any good.”

    he has officially become the real-life version of vince vaughn’s character in “made.”

  143. Bombshell August 8th, 2008 at 2:36 am

    Rebecca I agree 100% with all 3…I would even put Molina just a little above the other 2 since the staff has overachieved under his wing all year (particularly Joba and the young bullpen). Also incredibly well written.

  144. GreenBeret7A August 8th, 2008 at 2:39 am

    The only way Mussina wins the CYA is if Lee and Halliday disappear for two months and Mussina completes the Resurrection.

  145. polterg August 8th, 2008 at 2:43 am

    joba and the young relievers are talented. that’s why they are pitching well. you are giving jose molina far too much credit for all of their combined success.

  146. polterg August 8th, 2008 at 2:44 am

    many of the writers are morons, they’ll give the award to Saunders most likely because he pitches on the best team in the league.

  147. pat August 8th, 2008 at 2:44 am

    My final thoughts before I call it a night….

    Last night’s win combined with the Rays loss accomplished something important. For today, the Yankees fate is in their own hands. Yesterday they were 7 behind in the loss column with 6 left to play against them. That number is now 6.

  148. Bombshell August 8th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    Cy Young for Mussina is out of the question at this point but really I mean who cares about whether he wins it or not, we all know he’s our Cy Young anyway and has kept us alive. Forget it because Cliff Lee has been spectacular, Halladay keeps throwing CG’s, K-Rod will break the saves record ect. For Mussina to win he would literally have to win 7 or 8 more games and go 22-7 or 23-7 or something crazy and probably get his ERA under 3.00 since Lee shows no signs of slowing down, the guy is for real this year.

  149. polterg August 8th, 2008 at 2:46 am

    I shouldn’t forget KRod either. Writers love Saves and Wins on winning teams. so Saunders or even KRod could land the award, especially if KRod breaks the record.

  150. Nick in SF August 8th, 2008 at 2:47 am

    I just want to see Moose get 20 wins. The Cy Young just seems like a pipe dream.

    Oh, I’d like to see him in the postseason and then get a ring too. As a Yankee.

  151. DFox August 8th, 2008 at 3:00 am

    “dude was super awkward, but at least he and richter were funny. fallon was never, ever, ever funny. and never will be.”

    True that. I’m not quite sure what made NBC think that Fallon will be a funny host, being that he was never even really funny or memorable as a guest on the show.

  152. Ostrich August 8th, 2008 at 3:05 am

    The best starting pitchers in the AL so far this year, in no particular order, are Duchscherer, Lee, Halladay, Hernandez, Mussina, Saunders, Danks, E. Santana, Guthrie, and Lester. I’m ignoring Joba and Lackey since they have pitched fewer innings.

    I feel especially bad for Felix Hernandez and Justin Duchscherer when it comes to CY Young recognition. Nobody is paying attention to them since they play on lousy teams.

    I would say that Lee, Halladay, and Duchscherer have been the best of the bunch, and are the most legit picks for the Cy Young award.

  153. JobaTIME August 8th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    He has to at least be in the running for MVP. I can’t believe i just said that. He has been great, stable, and the healthiest one on the team. Without him, we know we are out of this. Thanks Moose.

  154. rover August 8th, 2008 at 9:50 am

    I wish I saved the article, now I have no idea where I read it. It was the only time this year where I read about Jeters broken hand. I’ve continually read and heard about his injured hand from that pitch, never broken.
    I have a tendency to believe his hand may well have had a broken bone or two, the sound made was horrible and his hand had to absorb all of the pitch,it was wrapped around his bat.
    Watching him hit and his lack of sting on the ball, I do believe he still suffers pain enough to influence his swing and power. I’m not privvy but he is different right now anyway. He is late on too many pitches, which could be related to pain or even simple discomfort. If his hand did not suffer a break it had to have suffered terrible bruising and deeply. jmo

  155. Steve August 8th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    The thing that kind of bothers me about Moose is, this is only his second good year out of the last five. Both of his good seasons – 2006 and now this year – have both come in contract years when Moose was looking to get another deal to keep playing. I believe by Pete’s own account, Moose came into spring training in much better shape this year than in previous ones. What I’m saying is, it’s aggravating that Moose apparently still has the skills and craftiness to succeed at this level, but maybe takes it most seriously only when it is going to put more money in his pocket. Maybe if you can keep signing him to one year deals and keep him motivated he’s worth bringing back, but otherwise I’m not so sure…I don’t need to watch another year like 2004, 2005, or god forbid, 2007.

  156. djsunyc August 8th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    bring mussina back next year with a team option for 2010. there is no need to deliberate.

  157. Real World August 8th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Just offer Mussina arbitration at seasons end, and see what happens. I wouldn’t give Moose 2 years. He’s too eratic from season to season to make that kind of investment, especially at his age. Offer arby, and see if he accepts. If he doesn’t accept cuz he wants two years, then let him shop his services, so the Yanks get Type A comp if he leaves. Moose knows his best chance to win is with the Yankees.

  158. raul August 8th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    I may sound a little off but i think we should give C Pavano a chance to help the team,just a CHANCE.Then lets try again with P.Hughes and see how he does against real MLB hitters.
    As for Mussina,i will keep him in pinstripes til he wants to retire…Moose rocks….

  159. James Wilson August 8th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

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