Game 117: Yankees at Angels
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 09, 2008 
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YANKEES (63-53)
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady LF
Cano 2B
I. Rodriguez C
Cabrera CF
Giese RHP
Dan Giese (1-3, 2.51) vs. the Los Angeles hitters.
John Lackey (9-2, 3.10) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees have lost 8 of 13 and 3 of the last 5. … The Angels are 28-17 against the Yankees since the start of the 2004 season. … Melky is 3 of his last 28. … Wilson Betemit is 7 of his last 21 with five runs scored and four RBI.
DOUBLE YOUR DISPLEASURE: The Yankees have nine GIDPs in the last four games.
WE MEET AGAIN: The Yankees faced Lackey last Sunday at the Stadium. He allowed four runs in six innings in a 14-9 Yankees win. He is 4-7, 4.89 in 14 career starts against the Yankees.
SOARING ERA: The Yankees had a team ERA of 3.91 on July 26 (after the second game in Boston). It has gone up to 4.21.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 2:56 p.m.: Joe Girardi gave Ian Kennedy a pass on his comments last night, or at least that’s what he said. “Players react in different ways,” he said. “I know he was upset.” Girardi did say he planned to meet with Kennedy to talk about his start.
None of the other players wanted to comment on what Kennedy said. Asked if he had seen the quotes, Mike Mussina nodded. “Yes,” he said. “I have no comment on the comments. That wouldn’t be right.”
Girardi was asked whether Kennedty was starting on Wednesday. “He’s in our rotation,” he said. Girardi was then asked whether Kennedy would pitch on Wednesday. “We’ve done this dance before,” he said. “He’s in our rotation.”
Your guess is as good as mine on what that means.
UPDATE, 4:19 p.m.: Dan Giese, six up, six down, 24 pitches, 18 strikes. Now that’s pitching.
UPDATE, 4:53 p.m.: It’s Dan Giese’s world and we’re all just living in it right now. He has a two-hit shutout going against the team he cheered for as a kid with 50 of his family and friends in the stands. Great story so far.
UPDATE, 5:09 p.m.: Giese is through five innings at 65 pitches. The Yankees figure they can get 80-85 pitches out of him. This next inning will be interesting because this is about when you figure he will start to tire and the Angels have 2-3-4 up.
UPDATE, 5:16 p.m.: And the Yankees turn on the power, back-to-back jacks by A-Rod and The Big G have made it 2-0.
UPDATE, 5:26 p.m.: Big, big strikeout there of Guerrero after the home run.
That’s 82 pitches for Giese. Job well done. They’re crazy if they send him out for the 7th.
UPDATE, 5;30 p.m.: Giese against the Angels this season:
9 innings
4 hits
1 run
1 earned runs
3 walks
8 strikeouts
That’s going to be a heck of a party down in San Clemente tonight.
UPDATE, 5:33 p.m.: They’ve just stopped the game to present Melky the ball for getting two straight hits.
UPDATE, 5:38 p.m.: I don’t get it. Two guys hit homers in the sixth inning. The first three hitters in the seventh get singles. So what does Derek Jeter do? He bunts and gives the Angels an out.
It’s stupid baseball.
UPDATE, 5:40 p.m.: And there you go, all it did was lead to an out.
Derek Jeter should be swinging the bat, period. Unless it’s the 8th or 9th inning of a tie game, he needs to swing the bat and not give himself up. You pay the man $20 million and it’s not to bunt, it’s to get hits.
UPDATE, 5:45 p.m.: Wasted inning. They needed to get more than one run there. 1-5 RISP today, 10-46 on the trip.
UPDATE, 5:52 p.m.: Fine job here by Jose Veras. How to hold things down for Dan Giese.
Meanwhile, the foolish bunt has come back to haunt them. Instead of possibly scoring two or three runs, they scored once and now the game is tied.
UPDATE, 5:57 p.m.: The Yankees will score now and Veras will be the “winning” pitcher.
UPDATE, 6:09 p.m.: The Yankees did trade for Damaso Marte, right?
UPDATE, 6:16 p.m.: This is some terrible relief pitching. But Ramirez is what he is. Good hitters will sit on his stuff and hammer it. He’s a 6th inning guy, not a tie-game-in-the-eighth-inning guy.
It’s probably time to give Melancon a shot.
At any rate, this game is over. Tough luck for Dan Giese. He did his job and then some. But a wasteful offense and terrible relief doomed him.
UPDATE, 6:27 p.m.: I wonder if Veras and Ramirez will feel OK about how they pitched? Why not? Girardi wasn’t upset with Ian Kennedy.
“Some guys understand how to handle the media a little better than others,” the manager said. “It’s important that we know his heart, not necessarily that everyone (else) does.”
Well that’s nice.
UPDATE, 6:31 p.m.: Hey, they got an out.
I’ll be at the game today. GO YANKEES!!!
Have fun Mike.
I’m waiting for the update: Ian Kennedy has been Chris Brittoned, so-and-so coming up to replace him
We need to set a new tone today. The Yankees will overcome and not be pushed around.
well if the game turns into a debacle, the Olympics are still on
need some encouragement. just a little..
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED a win today PLEASE
I’m hoping for a MAJOR step-up from basically everybody (deep counts, hustle, good pitching, etc). We need a win.
Mike:
I sure hope they play better today then they did last night. This team looks old and completely out of sync. IPK is only part of the problem.
Watching a game in Anaheim is like trying to watch a game from inside a bee-hive. Too much going on and nobody–but a few of us die-hards–seems to care about the game itself.
Pop a beach ball for me!
I was hoping to read in the update that Joe took him behind closed doors and yelled so loud people outside the stadium could hear him. Also hoped to read he handed him a plane ticket to go back to Scranton.
Win this game. Go Giese!
OC Fan–i know what you mean- i was out there for the Yanks series last august- saw viscaino give up phil hughes lead on my birthday- UGH
missed moose being destroyed the next day—but i did catch andy destroying lackey for the W on the last night—we had seats WAY up for the finale—LOTS O’ LOUD yankee fans…and also as it became clear that the Yanks were gonna takew the game—those fair weather angel fans began to head for the exits…leaving the venue to US!
lots of fun…
PS MIke —bring us a W and have a great time!
Sabathia another complete game yesterday. We need this guy next year. The question is how much we need to outbid the Dodgers by in order to get him to come to NYC.
I hope Giese can come through. I am really pulling for him to do well. Also really cool of Johnny to go back with him to his house tonight for a party. Hopefully it will be a celebration of a win!
does giese have enough stuff to make it as a starting pitcher? i hope so if not we could be in for a long night
the bullpen has completely collapsed since that Boston game.
Veras is the only reliever who has not given up runs since that time.
Who is our long man if Giese gets shelled? Go back to Rasner?
“does giese have enough stuff to make it as a starting pitcher? i hope so if not we could be in for a long night”
the question isn’t that. it’s can he keep his good streak as a pitcher going until the end of this season. he’s no one’s answer for anything, but we’re going to have to make due on the backs of guys like him and Ponson keeping good streaks going.
i’d love a repeat performance of the last time we faced Lackey today.
Sabathia is worth the money.
Sabathia > Santana, atleast he’s made a nice transition to AL-NL
He doesn’t need A-Rod type money but he’s 1/5 there.
yeah, real cool of Damon to go. But on the other hand if I was a major league vet like Damon and someone said hey bbq!! I’m there every time lol
Mike:
The one thing I really like about the stadium configuration is the bullpen up in the left field stands.
I was within ten feet of Molina last night, with an over the shoulder view of IPK warming-up. So, if you can, get over to the bullpen during warm-ups.
Pretty cool and not many people around! IPK didn’t seem to have great stuff–not like others I’ve watched.
The Yankee fans were loud last night–the Angel fans tried to shout us down, but they mercifully gave up when IPK got lit up.
The new thing is a zesty chant by both Angel and Yankee fans–”Boston sucks!” Everybody got into that one. Finally, some common ground.
“Who is our long man if Giese gets shelled? Go back to Rasner?”
um… Edwar? Long man by committee is not the best situation to be in
Regarding Ian, no one is expecing Ian to be Edward R. Murrow, but it is not asking too much for him to be accountable. He’s 23, not 13. Blaming his bad performances on bad luck is immature and irresponsible and it’s affecting how his teammates think about him.
I think Joba and Phil should talk to Ian and basically throw cold water on his face. Both have far greater talent than Ian, but have we ever heard any utterances from their mouths as we’ve heard from Kennedy? I know Phil hasn’t been around in months, but he was in NY for a few months of the season last year and he knows the routine. For whatever reason, Joe, Cash and Eiland are not getting through to Ian, but maybe his friends can.
Todays homer predictions are…Damon and Arod, any thoughts on who you think is gonna go yard?
I guess Robertson or Bruney will actually have that detour, followed by edwar
It’s not that the bullpen collapsed so much as it that the starters haven’t given any length, other than Moose, so the ‘pen is being overworked.
Bruney imploded yesterday.
Sorry, didn’t see the new thread. Some thoughts on last nights game…
Disappointing game all around. Mystifying comments by Kennedy afterwards. Just plane stupid in many ways.
Agree that they came out of massive naivete and immaturity on how to deal with the media. He pitched horribly and has no confidence – and he’s trying to lie about it in order to believe in the veneer he’s trying to create.
Unfortunately, those comments are going to cause him lingering harm – both inside the clubhouse and outside. The players in the locker room must have been shaking their heads when they hear that. I’d guess Kennedy has already exhausted a lot of the good will his teammates may have been willing to show to him. Same for the media and the fan base. Just awful on the field and off.
As far as his pitching – he’s just not a major league pitcher right now and shouldn’t get another start.
He looks like an entirely different pitcher. The quality of his pitches is no where near what it was last year in September. It’s as if he’s become a completely different player.
In those few starts he made last year he could pretty much put the ball exactly where he wanted it. He rarely missed his spots. This year – he just seems to have lost all of that ability. Perplexing. It really is.
The bullpens problems is in direct correlation to the increasing amount of short starts by the starters.
When the bullpen was humming, the starters were going 6-7 innings a turn.
Now, they are going 3-5 innings a turn.
Its why the most valuable commodity in the game is still starting pitching. You lose guys like Wang (who is an innings eating machine) and now Chamberlain (who was beginning to be the same) it takes a toll after awhile.
We are now seeing the results.
Are we feeling better this a.m.?
Go Hughes. I mean Giese.
O/T Right now US Women volleball is on. 3/6 on the floor are former UH stars. Go USA. Go Yankees.
The bullpen problems **are**.
hm… HR Predictions – i was close yesterday but went way past the ledge and said melky on top of a-rod and nady. Today I say the Big G, Abreu…. and the specialty pick of the day – WILSON BETEMIT off the bench goes yard
HR,
Nady!
very true SJ…. it’s easy (not easy, easier) for the bullpen to put together 2-3 good innings, especially when everyone knows their roll. When you want 4-5-6 innings out of the bullpen and get into those middle guys that you have problems
mel – go houston! lol
when your starting rotation is Moose, Andy, Ponson, Giese and kennedy, your bullpen is going to give up some runs.
if it was just one starter that didn’t make it past the fifth inning, that would be okay, but the only starters right now who are doing it are Ponson and Moose.
And that is a sentence I never thought I’d write.
Agreed that the bull pen problems are almost entirely due to the lack of innings by the rotation.
The one area of concern in the pen is Bruney – I applaud him for coming back and working so hard to do so.
But he’s nowhere near the form he was pre-injury. I think he needs more time in the minors getting back into game form.
we need another arm in the bullpen
In light of the everyday reality of this season, you could say that a lesser team wouldn’t even be functioning right now, let alone making a run for the playoffs.
I get an automatic email everyday called the Daily Word. Part of it is an inspiration for the day. Sometimes the words really come right off the page at me in terms of things going on around me.
This is today’s word: We value the light more fully after we’ve come through the darkness.
I’d really like to think this is a message for what is to come for our Yankee season…
“And that is a sentence I never thought I’d write.”
LOL – I was thinking the exact same thing Rebecca. Moose playing the role of Doc Halladay on our staff.
Who’d have believed that in April?
A-Rod has terrible numbers against Lackey so I’m going with Giambi and Damon going yard today.
Giese Prediction
6.1 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 3 K
Ouch
When Ian Kennedy or Phil Hughes starts for the Yankees, they are 3-12. Otherwise they are 60-41.
TK; I don’t think anyone!
I mean, when was the last time anti-mussina was around these parts, anyway?
“I think Joba and Phil should talk to Ian and basically throw cold water on his face. Both have far greater talent than Ian, but have we ever heard any utterances from their mouths as we’ve heard from Kennedy?”
Interesting thought – Frankly I would expect Moose to straighten IPK out on this sort of thing b/c he’s the brains of the pitching staff (Andy is the heart). I wonder if the fact that IPK was supposed to compete for the last slot in the rotation a lifetime ago makes this less likely?
(I almost worked in an entire Wizard of Oz thing there, no?)
TK: I certainly didn’t think so!
And you can’t go wrong with the Wizard of Oz
NOT A FAN OF PUDGE CATCHING…MOLINA CALLS A BETTER GAME, IS A BETTER RECEIVER OF THE BALL, AND WE PITCH MUCH BETTER AS A TEAM WITH HIM BEHIND THE PLATE
Phil and Joba have their won things to worry about, they can’t be concerned about Ian.
Giese Reality check
4.1 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 2 K
Okay Yankees going to bounce back big time! Go Yankees!!!
Betsy – I don’t think Joba or Hughes will say anything to Kennedy. They are all very tight, I’d imagine they would be supportive of Ian.
The guy who would speak up to him is Posada, but hes injured unfortunately and nobody else will assume that role.
Girardi probably doesn’t want to exacerbate things, so he’ll keep quiet for now.
What IPK said just shows a lack of maturity. He needs to be straighten up before its too late and all the talent can just go down the drain just like that
Since the Manny deal:
David Ortiz (the man who used to hit in front of Manny):
.107 avg
Jeff Kent (the man who now hits in front of Manny):
.360 avg
Yankeefan91
“Need another bullpen arm.”
Could have had Chad Bradford.
We need a lot but most of all we need starters who can pitch 6-7 innings and keep us in the ballgame. The bullpen, ever since Rivera lost last week in a tie ballgame, has been giving up runs in bunches-overworked. We need starters who don’t give up runs in the 1st inning.
Anyone privy to what players have cleared waivers on a daily basis, as teams can put up to 7 players/day on waivers. Is there a site with reliable info?
Another good outing by Phil and he’s on his way back to The Bronx, as 911 calls are being made throughout the organization…..
“Phil and Joba have their won things to worry about, they can’t be concerned about Ian.”
Exactly since it appears that there is far too much to fix in one sitting. It would be one thing if he were a PR disaster who was actually doing a good job! I think it’s a lot to ask any player to take that on, to tell you the truth. I mean how do you convince someone who says they aren’t upset about their outing and that after all it was the Angels, that they should be upset about it. He didn’t show the slightest indiction that he had any responsibility in this whole thing other than to be given yet another opportunity to pitch.
RE: IAN KENNEDY
“It’s the first bad outing I’ve had since the All-Star break, so I’m not going to look too much into it…”
This KID it totally clueless. His first bad outing since the All-Star break. He says that, as if he’s been pitching in the big leagues since the All-Star break.
What a tool. And a bust. He’s never going to amount to anything with the yankees, other than Kei Igawas (another arrogant SOB) roommate – they deserve each other.
Yankee Trader,
Bradford kills the Yankees.
Another good outing by Phil and he’s on his way back to The Bronx, as 911 calls are being made throughout the organization…..
Can’t be soon enough.
was at the game last night Kennedy was awful. His body langauge when Girardi was on his way out to get him was not good. I think Kennedy is the only one who thinks he pitched good. Every out was a rocket, and the kids where rockets.
Well even the Times had something to say about Spaceboy’s post game summary of his performance.
Congratulations Ian! Your words have truly exceeded your abilities.
I’m not completely convinced that Sabathia is going to sign with the Dodgers this offseason. He may want to go there, but that doesn’t mean they will sign him.
Here’s something that caught my eye the other day about the Dodgers that gives me a second thought about the Dodgers willingness to offer the kind of cheddar Sabathia is looking for – courtesy of Peter Gammons.
What’s going on with the Dodgers’ money?
Greg Maddux would have liked to finish the season with the Dodgers, and the Dodgers wanted the Hall of Famer. But when Maddux cleared waivers this week and the Padres went to trade him, Los Angeles demanded that the Padres pay $2.5 million of the $3 million remaining on Maddux’s contract this year, and would not offer a useable prospect. Now, the Dodgers got the Red Sox to pay all of Manny Ramirez’s contract, and the Indians to pay all of Casey Blake’s deal. When the Dodgers tried to get in on CC Sabathia, they wanted the Indians, who have the second-lowest payroll in the AL, to eat the majority of Sabathia’s remaining contract. And when the Pirates talked to them about Jack Wilson, the Dodgers wanted the Pirates to eat most of Wilson’s contract for 2008 and 2009.
Whether you like Gammons or not, he does make a good point about the Dodgers’ stinginess these days.
You think that a team like the Dodgers who haven’t done squat in the postseason in 20 years would be willing to take on some money in order to get back to October.
And combine that with the easily predictable bust that that was Andruw Jones over the offseason – I’m not so convinced that these sudden penny-pinchers are going to shell out $120M+ for another long term deal to a 300 lbs pitcher.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see this Dodgers-Sabathia marriage and there aren’t any other West Coast teams who are going to be willing to shell out the kind of dough that he wants.
i like bradford alot he could be a huge help for are bullpen
I’m not saying Joba and Phil should spend their time worrying about Ian, but a little chat doesn’t take much time. Sometimes friends can get through to each other when other people can’t.
I think at this point it’s too late for Andy, Moose or whomever to have a talk with Ian. In spring training, Andy said in essence that it’s up to these kids to do the job. I’m sure they’ve given advice to Ian, Joba and Phil, but if they’re not going to take it (which is the case with Ian), there is nothing they can do. Ian is a professional; he’s been on other teams. This isn’t rocket science here. He doesn’t have to be media friendly or even a media sophisticate, but he ought to know by know what it’s like to be a part of a team. His comments indicate that he’s completely clueless…….
Trisha, I agree that you can’t convince someone of something that he’s not inclined to already. However, if Ian is simply in denial, then I do think a chat with his friends might snap him out of it. If, on the other hand, he truly believes everything he’s saying, then Freud couldn’t help him and he will end up having a short major league career
I talk too much. I will learn to stop clogging the board with self-indulgent BS.
“”When asked if Kennedy will make a scheduled start Wednesday against the Twins, manager Joe Girardi said, “He is in the rotation. He has to find a way to get better.”"
Give me a break.The game isn’t a practice game.
After the Juan Pierre and Andruw Jones signings…and paying them top dollar to ride the pine…the Dodgers might be leery of taking on money until they can rid themselves of a contract or two.
For 2009, things I’d like to see from a realistic standpoint:
New hitting coach.
Get younger and more athletic players who can play various positions.
Mine the other teams talent and trade for an outfielder-like the next Carlos Quentin.
Do not resign Giambi. Do not sign Teixera, as there should be cheaper options.
Sign Mussina, only if he doesn’t tire down the stretch. Consider the same with Pettitte, but he’s already showing signs of fatigue.
Do not believe CC or Sheets will be signed by Yankees. Consider Oliver Perez, young lefty coming into his own and not afraid to pitch in NY.
On the fence about Abreu, because even though he has a great arm, he’s a marginal defender, and don’t want him back unless it’s a year to year club option deal, which he won’t agree to.
If possible and Matsui shows he’s healthy, it would be best to trade him, since I doubt they would resign him anyway, once his contract expires in 2009.
As far as FA’s are concerned, positional players available are slim pickings. Adam Dunn and Milton Bradley. Bradley only if he can play good defense in the field, and he’s mostly been a DH this season.
Sabathia
Sheets
Joba
Wang
Mussina/Pettitte
Pettitte and Mussina can compete for the 5th spot in ST, whoever doesn’t get it will get optioned to Scranton and be the first man up when there is an injury.
Hughes needs a full year in the minors to work on his secondary offerings and to get acclimated to his new mechanics. Also needs to be able to throw more than 130 innings before he gets a spot in the rotation.
“I talk too much. I will learn to stop clogging the board with self-indulgent BS.”
He he he. Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. If you took the time to actually pose as me, I obviously have gotten to you.
Have a ball!
“Trisha, I agree that you can’t convince someone of something that he’s not inclined to already. However, if Ian is simply in denial, then I do think a chat with his friends might snap him out of it. If, on the other hand, he truly believes everything he’s saying, then Freud couldn’t help him and he will end up having a short major league career”
Betsy good points. And for Ian’s sake maybe someone at some level in the Yankee organization can try to take him aside and see if they can get it figured out – if it hasn’t already been tried in the past. Unfortunately I don’t think anyone in the ML level of the Yankee org has the time for that right now since it doesn’t appear that he is the help that we need and oh Lord do we have bigger fish to fry right now.
steve, the Yankees are not going to sign both Sabatthia and Sheets, Pettitte and Mussina aren’t going to compete in ST for a spot, and neither of them are going to pitch in Scranton while waiting for an injury in the rotation. Nor do I think Hughes is going to pitch a year in the minors.
Other than that, you’re spot on.
The rotation
cc Sabathia
Wang
A.J.Bernet
Joba
Mussina/Pettitte
Guiseppe
Good comments about the Dodgers stinginess, but they do have money coming off the books-Furcal, Kent, Lowe. I agree that the other West Coast teams will not do a deal for him-Giants,A’s, Angels, but perhaps Seattle would show interest since they have money coming off the books too. My feeling is he will take less to stay in NL.
I really don’t see the Yankees giving him and his agent a 6-7 year deal. It’ll be the length, not the money, that will keep them at bay.
In the spirit of the craziness being seen this morning with respect to fantasy rotations:
Next year’s will be:
Joba
Wang
Young (as in Cy)
Guidry
Gibson (as in Bob)
It is sad I am trying to get to people and get on their nerves as opposed to solid, baseball discussion. I’ll never get it that it is not about me, but about the Yankees.
It is sad.
The SF Giants might be willing to pony up for CC and he might like to play close to home. But first aliens would have to come and take Barry Zito and his contract back to the mother ship.
Oh how I long for Matsui to return so the lineup can be…
Damon
Jeter
Abreu
A-Rod
Matsui
Nady
Giambi
Cano
Pudge
Who knows? Maybe Milwaukee will grow on Sabathia. With those NL stats, why would he want to fight through every start in the AL East?
Or a rotation in September of…
Joba
Mussina
Pettite
Hughes
Pavano
ANyone but IPK
I really like this lineup today, its good to see I Rod back in there.
I also really like our chances against Lackey, the team seemed to be seeing the ball well and they got numerous line-drive hits the last time he pitched against them.
Steve I like your optimism, but NO WAY do they sign both Sheets and Sabathia. No chance.
I bet they go hard after CC and if they don’t win the bidding they sign Sheets.
I also think the odds of Pettitte coming back are less than Mussina, and that obviously changed over the course of the season. Pettitte always said he would hang them up if he wasn’t effective and emphasized that his arm felt great. Now we hear his elbow may be barking and his last few starts have not been good. The guy has too much pride to keep playing if he’s not getting the job done. As much as he’d like to pitch in the new stadium, his pride won’t let him if he’s not up to his own standards. And Moose is simply amazing this year. Its not a fluke, IMO and if he’ll take a one-year deal its almost certain the Yankees would take him back.
My projected rotation for 2009:
CC
Wang
Joba
Mussina
Hughes
Aceves, Igawa, Rasner as fill-ins.
I think Kennedy will be moved in the off-season.
Phil
I beg to differ but I’m taking
Koufax
Gibson
Ryan
Carleton
Guidry
That’s three lefties in the rotation.
Then I’d put Joba back in relief.
I’d trade Wang and others for Albert Pujols!!
Top that one!!!! LMAO
Nick: But, alas, that’s not going to happen, is it?
Phil, I’d be worrying about those bratwursts growing on CC too.
Yankee Trader: Smart move…putting Joba back in the 8th inning.
You got me…with all of those lefties, Ortiz wouldn’t stand a chance of getting a hit.
Rustyjohn I like that lineup a lot.
Matsui seems to be progressing, I just hope he gets back before its too late.
In looking at CC’s NL stats…if he is a selfish or stats-first person….and I am not saying he is or isn’t, I don’t know….but it must be nice to be able to put up those stats! (might that creep into his decision?)
These are the only ways I see Pettitte pitching for the Yankees next year in the new Stadium:
1. He pitches so well down the stretch, gets us into the playoffs and takes us to the World Series, with shutouts against the Cubs. This would be a dream come true!
2. More realistically he’s not resigned but signs with another team that has an away game in new Yankee stadium.
3. He sneaks into the stadium in the offseason and throws a few pitches.
4. He becomes the Yankees bullpen coach.
5. He pitches in Old Timers Day.
Can you think of any others??????
I don’t know how you people can talk about baseball when the Swedish Women’s Soccer team is playing.
Ah the beauty of international competition
“The new thing is a zesty chant by both Angel and Yankee fans–â€Boston sucks!†Everybody got into that one. Finally, some common ground.”
And Yankees fans rip the Red Sox fans for “Yankees suck”. Interesting.
Regarding Manny. He quit on his manager, teammates and a rabid fan base that adored him. You sure he won’t do that in NY? The Yankees should not even think about it.
Items of interest with Sabathia ….
. He started the year with mixed results in outings and started to come on strong just before his trade to Milwaukee.
. His good results with the Brewers may not show their true selves with the heat of the pennant race here and the Brewers wishes to be in the postseason as a Wild Card.
. His so-so appearances in last year’s ALDS and ALCS are his indicators of how he’s fared in October unless he shows well assuming the Brewers make it to the dance.
. Being the best lefthander available (Santana notwithstanding) and his age will get him a nice contract and fortunately he is not a Scott Boras client.
. Let’s hope the Steinbrenners go hard after him because the team needs him as a rock in the rotation for a few years.
Neil, I like your numbers showing Ortiz and Kent since the Manny deal. Peter Gammons, in his “infinite wisdom” said on Mike and Mike this week that it’s a “complete myth” that having someone like Manny hitting behind you makes any difference. I almost slipped in the shower when I heard that.
Trisha you know you have a lot of supporters here. Don’t let a pretender troll get to you. You called the success of different players and gave reasons. You bring a lot of baseball and optimism.
Troll pretenders are just jealous people eaten up that they don’t get enough attention and you do.
“I talk too much. I will learn to stop clogging the board with self-indulgent BS.”
Isn’t that why she’s here, with all the rest of her ilk?
90% of the posts on this board — there are three or four exceptions — are self-indulgent BS. Why should she be different?
Phil, are you talking about the 1972 Philadelphia Phillies version of Steve Carlton, or the 1987 Cleveland Indians version?
Wilkins De La Rosa promoted to Tampa A ball
Go get’em Wilkins
Glenn-
If the likelihood that signing Sabathia to a 7 year Santana-type contract means that he’ll be a stalwart until age 36, and we will be in the playoffs, with him putting up numbers like Whitey Ford, or more recently John Smoltz, and we win 2-3 more WS, then by all means go for him.
Which of these pitchers, signed to very lucrative> 100M contracts, has brought their team a WS title?
1. Kevin Brown
2. Mike Hampton
3. Barry Zito
4. Johan Santana-jury still out
Why is Melky in again when Christian is hitting so much better and is a huge threat on the base paths to boot??
Travis,
Uh. Can you explain why you were listening to Gammons in the shower. I know listening to him feels dirty, but that’s ridiculous.
Send Bruney down for Strickland or Melancon… He is clearly not ready yet – that’s two games this week alone he’s allowed to get blown open. We can’t have that in a pennant race
Eric thank you and not a problem. I absolutely know who the “all of a sudden” pretender is. It may gets worse before it gets better because the person does not like to be ignored.
But oh well.
Travis
I’m talking about the 1972 Steve carlton Phillies version 27-10 1.97 ERA Cy Young winner on a bad Phillies team, not the 43 yo Indians version in 1987!!!!!!
Besides that projected rotation, there are a TON of high-ceiling arms that will be one year closer to the big leagues. The future is very very bright my friends. If only 20-25% of these guys pan out, the Yankees will have an amazing staff for years and years.
In my opinion, here is a quick list of arms that could make an impact by 2010 in either the rotation or the bullpen, in no particular order:
Aceves – starter
Coke – pen lefty specialist
Cox – pen
Melancon – closer
Patterson (already was up here I know) – pen
Strickland – pen
Claggett – pen
Kontos – starter
De La Rosa – high celing starter
C. Garcia – high celing starter if ever healthy
McAllister – high celing starter
Pope – probably relief in some capacity
Horne – injuries have held him back, we’ll see if he makes it he’s getting old
Betances – huge celing starter
Heredia – starter
Ortiz – closer/set up
Brackman – high celing starter
H. Sanchez – closer/set up
Bleich – too early to tell
Cole – high end starter if signed (but probably 3-4 years away)
I’m sure I missed some so add them if you can think of any.
All these guys have a legitimate shot to contribute to this team in the next few years.
Obviously all are not projected aces or closers, but they all have the ability. Some will be used as trade bait. Some will fail. And some will shine.
When you have that many very good/great arms, you don’t need them all to pan out. If one out of every 4 or 5 of these guys is legit, its going to be a great next 10 years.
As for this freakin’ lineup… GIDP tandem still together, Nady again becomes a leadoff man instead of a run producer and Melky Cabrera continues to rob a spot he doesn’t deserve right now.
What will it take to move Giambi from the damn #5 SPOT !! WHAT WILL IT TAKE !!!!
As this momenet I am truly ticked off, It’s we get a set rotation or set offense for the stretch run. We lose Wang and now Lose Joba…… What more can these baseball god’s do to us. Now our rotation is questionable again at best and we are running out time. THIS ISN”T FaiR @*(&#*(@#(
Brandon: Maybe if you ask nicely?
BTW would not be surprised if De La Rosa plays some AA this year since Tampa has 3-4 more starts left for him and Trenton would give him playoff experience.
Mel, I was actually listening to Mike and Mike, but when they did their “We love the Boston Red Sox” segment, it turned into the Peter Gammons Show.
Yankee Trader, thanks for the clarification on Steve Carlton. Man, check out those stats. 30 complete games in one season! I thought maybe you meant the 43-year-old version, though, since he’d fit in perfectly with our rotation this year.
OK Rebecca I’ll give it a shot
GI JOE YOU MORON MOVE NADY INTO THE #5 SPOT HE CAN RHP AND LHP PUTTING GIAMBI W/ THE WORST NUMBERS IN RISP FOR THIS TEAM IS NOT PRODUCTIVE !!!!!
trisha, if you know who the pretender person is (or even if you don’t), you might want to pass that on to Pete. Assuming someone else’s identity period but especially to make personal attacks is way over the line and probably violates the TOS here.
And to the pretender person, I’ll be charitable and assume that you just think you’ve making a clever commentary on a poster you don’t like, but what you’re doing is really just lame. Not to mention counter-productive.
GI JOE YOU MORON MOVE NADY INTO THE #5 SPOT HE CAN HIT RHP AND LHP PUTTING GIAMBI W/ THE WORST NUMBERS IN RISP FOR THIS TEAM IS NOT PRODUCTIVE !!!!!
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Can anyone here tell me with a straight face that the yankees will be making the playoffs? I just can’t see it with this rotation. When we had Joba I thought we had a shot since eventually Hughes will take one of the 4/5 spots in the rotation.
I can’t stand Trisha or the pretender.
Trisha and I clashed when she first started posting here but I realized she is NOT self-indulgent and she’s a better fan than a lot of people on this blog.
I don’t agree with every point she makes, but I don’t agree with a lot of comments on this board. For some reason she’s a target for a lot of people but its not fair and I don’t see the reason for it.
Brandon
“What will it take to move Giambi from the damn #5 SPOT!! WHAT WILL IT TAKE !!!!”
The answer my friend is blowin in the wind, the answer is blowin in the wind.
AN INJURY IS WHAT IT WILL TAKE!!!
I’d say the Phillies’ Carlton over the Indians version…it was sad seeing him in the Indians uniform. Just like it will be sad seeing Favre in a Jets uniform.
The answer my friend is blowin in the wind, the answer is blowin in the wind.
AN INJURY IS WHAT IT WILL TAKE!!!
Can anyone go Tonya Harding on Stache ?
Nick in SF thanks. I know Pete is busy with a thousand other things but I do intend to do that and also give up the name of the poster so that he can check into it. I know he has ISP addresses so it easy enough for him to do. What’s most annoying about someone doing that is that it really interrupts the flow here and it’s not fair for an imposter to do that to the rest of the forum. I’ve gotten enough slings and arrows that it doesn’t bother me at all, but it does bother me when I somehow get injected into screwing up things on the forum and in that instance I am blameless!
“As this momenet I am truly ticked off, It’s we get a set rotation or set offense for the stretch run. We lose Wang and now Lose Joba…… What more can these baseball god’s do to us. Now our rotation is questionable again at best and we are running out time. THIS ISNâ€T FaiR @*(&#*(@#(”
You know I was thinking about the same thing. Tough to have to keep fighting for your life without having the horses to do so, and then have to think about potentially setting a rotation!
This has been a tough year.
Travis – Gammons only said that because he also wrote a blog and columns saying how Boston had to get rid of Manny and if he had said anything positive towards Manny it would have contradicted his already published thoughts.
The fact of the matter is Manny leaving Boston isn’t just a plus for the opponents because it takes away the scariest right handed hitter in the game, but also because it makes the hitters around him worse, mainly David Ortiz.
Ortiz was an alright player (20 HR, 75 RBI 2003 with MIN) before coming to Boston, but he also had a lot of problems breaking the starting lineup and even making the bigs before being released by the Twins.
In 2003, Ortiz hit 31 HR, 101 RBI hitting 5th and 6th in the Red Sox lineup and he became a solid major leaguer. But it wasn’t until 2004 when Ortiz began the year hitting 3rd that he became a superstar in the league. The same year he started hitting ahead of Manny.
Without Manny protecting Ortiz these past few seasons who knows what Ortiz’s numbers would like. But, I will tell you one thing, they are as good as they are because Manny has been in the on deck circle when Ortiz was in the box.
“What will it take to move Giambi from the damn #5 SPOT !! ”
2009?
miggs, I don’t know about being a ‘better fan’ than anyone else who posts regularly on this board, but I do agree that a lot of what people say about trisha is unfair.
Put me in the I am tired of seeing Trish fight with everyone and anyone on this blog category. And I am tired of her “I’m too good to respond posts” that take of just as much of the board space as her spats do.
I want it to go back to the great baseball discussions of last year.
I hate, hate the board getting clogged up with the “you said this, I said this”; “no, you said that, then I said this” garbage.
Neil, I could not agree more re: Manny and Ortiz.
“Can anyone here tell me with a straight face that the yankees will be making the playoffs?”
Tech I am truly believing we will make the playoffs. But what’s painful is having to think about what we will be taking into the playoffs. It certainly isn’t as anyone would have designed…
Okay, back to the word of the day: We value the light more fully after we’ve come through the darkness.
Miggs, thank you for that. As someone whose opinion I truly value and respect, I especially appreciate your comment of support.
And Pete won’t/can’t stop the imposters…because the only way to do that is with registration. Look at how many times SJ or CB have been “impostered” (if that is even a word).
It happens to all of us here from time to time…but without registration and without them being unlawful, threatening, etc…they can’t be stopped.
Please, Pete, registration and edit buttons!
Phil: Not to Jets fans, it isn’t
Well, they begin the day 6.5 back of Tampa and 3.5 back in the wild card. While the WC is not out of reach, todays game may be the signal that starting to prepare for 2009 is the way to go.
Watching this team since they were punked by Baltimore at home, you realize that they have great games still in them but not enough consistency to make the playoffs.
That said, i am hoping for a win today but it might be time to start figuring out who is coming back and who should not come back.
Rebecca – Yeah, I guess seeing him is better than your other options. It just leaves a sour taste in my mouth…the way the whole situation went down with Green Bay. And I put more of the blame on his shoulders than theirs.
But, that being said, he’ll be an upgrade and might help out.
(I’m a Giants fan – though the personal seat licenses are pricing my family out of our season tickets that my Uncle has held since 1979.)
“Put me in the I am tired of seeing Trish fight with everyone and anyone on this blog category. And I am tired of her “I’m too good to respond posts†that take of just as much of the board space as her spats do.”
Phil you can’t have it both ways. You can’t want to kill me for fighting and then want to kill me for not responding. I don’t respond so it doesn’t turn into a catfight.
Best I can tell you is to do what I do when I see posts that I don’t feel like reading. When you see my posts just don’t read them. Since I am not here to be all thing to all people I really can’t worry about people not liking the stuff that I post. Some do, some don’t.
Nick I understand your point. I guess “better fan” wasn’t the best phrase to use. But some people only come here when the team is losing. Others only show up when they are winning. Trisha seems to be the same no matter what how the team is playing. I guess I’d say she’s more of a “true fan” than a lot of people here.
I don’t think it would necessarily be a bad thing for this team to miss the postseason.
They haven’t had a chance to step back and take a deep breath for years because of the demanding fanbase and owner.
Instead, the Yanks have addressed their problems with Bondo and spackle instead of tearing down the entire wall and replacing it.
This team needs to get younger and more versatile. They can’t keep bringing back aging vets when they have a chance to let them walk (Abreu and Giambi) because we’ll see more of the same next season.
I’d like to see them sign Sabathia, but that doesn’t mean they’ll sign him. But that would open a real opportunity to change the culture of this team.
The Yanks will have three guaranteed position players in the 2010 everyday lineup who are in the mid-30s and up (A-Rod, Jeter, and Posada). It would be extremely wise to balance the rest of that lineup with young talent and players closer to their 30th birthday.
That means letting Abreu and Giambi walk this season and Damon and Matsui walking at the end of next season.
But signing Sabathia is the real key to making real changes because it would give this team one of the best rotations in the league (Sabathia, Wang, Joba, Pettitte, and Hughes/Moose), but it also makes some of the young arms on the farm expendable to use as trade bait to get a younger bat to replace Abreu.
Young pitching is like cigarettes in a prison. Teams can use them as currency to get what they need to survive.
BTW there is a leaked rumor in AP that Manny wants to be a Yankee to get back at the Red Sox do not believe that story for one second, it’s the big bait, he has never wanted to play for the Yankees, he hates that organization and knows Washington Heights would call him a hypocrite, this is Boras driving his interest up..see by saying he wants to come back to the AL and hurt Boston, what he’s really saying is AL I’m a FA you guys don’t want me playing against you so who will pay me over 20 million for the next 6 years.
All in all I said it once and twice he wants to play in Philly.
The thing with Sabathia is… what West Coast team needs him? He seems so set on going to the West Coast, but I don’t see a fit.
Dodgers – McCourt already nixed a trade for financial reasons earlier in the year. They already have excellent pitching with Penny, Kershaw, Kuo, Billingsly, Kudroa. Their 1st priority should be a bat. They also always get cold feet when pursuing top FAs. Who is the last player they gave $150 million to? I’d imagine they want to keep Manny as well, he fits that team better than CC will.
Angels – No fit at all. They need to pay Tex as well as Lackey, Garland, Vlad, Krod etc. Have excellent pitching already.
Giants – Best young duo in baseball with Lincecum-Cain and Sanchez looks great too. Zito has come around lately as well. They are devoid of any position talent at all. Teixeria makes much more sense. They have plenty of pitching and are not going anywhere soon anyway.
Seattle – Rebuilding. Why would he go there and why would they want him?
Oakland, San Diego, Arizona, will never pay him. Nor do any of these teams really need him.
The Sabathia bidding will come down to the usual big spending teams devoid of pitching— Yankees, Mets, Cubs, Phillies, Tigers, Rangers, with maybe minor interest from the Dodgers. Keep an eye on Boston as well, depending on how they finish up, they have ton of money to play around with and could be the real team we are comepting with.
From baseball reference, the 10 most similar hitters to David Ortiz. I had to laugh at the second person on the list. They must mean the old Richie Sexson, the one who could actually hit a bit.
1. Lance Berkman (918)
2. Richie Sexson (888)
3. Paul Konerko (885)
4. Derrek Lee (884)
5. Carlos Lee (858)
6. Danny Tartabull (856)
7. Kevin Mitchell (856)
8. Tony Clark (855)
9. Matt Stairs (853)
10. Albert Pujols (852)
Trisha (trust me, this is the only response post you’ll get out of me): You DO have an option! You can both ignore the post and also not respond. No need for the “I’m too good to respond post.” Just ignore. There is no need “to fight” as you put it. There is no need to tell everyone how wonderful you are because you are above responding. Rather than say it, just do it and don’t respond…that solves everything.
Thanks for linking that Wilkins de la Rosa story B – I didn’t know he was a southpaw.
That makes me happy given the shortage of lefties throughout the system.
The Sabathia bidding will come down to the usual big spending teams devoid of pitching— Yankees, Mets, Cubs, Phillies, Tigers, Rangers, with maybe minor interest from the Dodgers. Keep an eye on Boston as well, depending on how they finish up, they have ton of money to play around with and could be the real team we are comepting with.
Write it down, hum it, whistle it..opening day 2009 CC Sabathia in a Yankees uniform and cap.
Phil, gotcha. It’s tough when someone keeps dumping on you by name to not say a word. I just wanted the person to know I was aware of it. Maybe I didn’t choose the best way.
I don’t think I’m any more wonderful than anyone else by the way. I think I am generally an opinionated and optimistic Yankee fan. That’s about it.
Haha what a list.
Richie will get his chance to play tomorrow:
vs Saunders
4 for 12, 3 HR (2 this year), 5 RBI
Tartabull? Wow.
Tony Clark? If only he could connect on one at bat when he was with us in the post season…history would have been changed.
We need to publish a dictionary of GirardiSpeak.
Guiseppe… Agree with all except Abreu. While he is frustrating to watch defensively, I think he could benefit the Yankees in the DH spot. I am not sold that Posada will be return to a productive status anytime soon.
I think htey need to resign Pudge or another catcher to mix with Molina until it is a sure thing that Posada can do more than just take up payroll space.
What are your thoughts on signing manny? I know it is not a popular idea but he is one of those players that would just rake for 2 years to prove everyone wrong. Would be a great DH and platoon with Abreu and add insurance for the young outfielders struggle… ex Cabrera.
Thanks for linking that Wilkins de la Rosa story B – I didn’t know he was a southpaw.
You thought he was a righty ? But yeh he has the ability to top out at the mid 90′s projected to the high 90′s w/ more seasoning. He’s 23 yrs. old and was converted ala you know who from Minny. I said this since the beginning of the season once he gets that change up going and slider..WATCH OUT
Trisha just as maybe a little bit of constructive criticism (please don’t take this the wrong way)
I think some people get annoyed at comments like: “Okay, back to the word of the day: We value the light more fully after we’ve come through the darkness.”
I think some may see a comment like that as a little bit over the top. A lot of people here just want to talk sports, they don’t want to hear philosophical comments or stuff like that. After reading a lot of your comments over time I realize you only mean well. You’re only trying to be positive. But some would see that as maybe a little self-indulgent.
Now let’s talk some baseball, huh?
“Mike Mussina nodded. “Yes,†he said. “I have no comment on the comments. That wouldn’t be right.—
Moose is the guy to set IPK straight imo. He aired out Pavano after dumb comments to the media but if he can mentor IPK some without any ink it should have a good effect.
So, how about that Favre guy?
“Giants – Best young duo in baseball with Lincecum-Cain and Sanchez looks great too. Zito has come around lately as well.”
Who? Barry Zito? If you mean he’s come around from uniquely awful to commonly mediocre, yes, he has. But your conclusion that the Giants won’t be going after CC is almost certainly correct (unless the new managing partner wants to make a big splash, but nothing I’ve read about him suggests that would be the case).
“the Yanks have addressed their problems with Bondo and spackle”
We finally signed Barry Bondo??!?! Sweet! But I don’t think we need him now that we have the X-Man. Too little too late.
With the Yankees playing so poorly and with a very difficult schedule remaining, hopefully we’ll find a starting pitcher on the waiver wire, who’s available now, and preferably be a FA at end of this season. Washburn has cleared waivers but has a hefty contract for next season.
Of these FA’s anyone of these likely to clear waivers pique any interest??
Affeldt-know he’s a reliever this year
Byrd
Fogg
Hampton
Hendrickson
Odalis Perez
Kip Well
Randy Wolf
“I said this since the beginning of the season once he gets that change up going and slider..WATCH OUT”
Good to hear – I’ll pay more attention to him now that he is upwardly mobile!
One thing to remember about similiarity scores:
Scores under 900 are “light” in terms of similiarity; that is, you’ll find a lot of differences in those players.
“I don’t think it would necessarily be a bad thing for this team to miss the postseason.
They haven’t had a chance to step back and take a deep breath for years because of the demanding fanbase and owner.
Instead, the Yanks have addressed their problems with Bondo and spackle instead of tearing down the entire wall and replacing it.
This team needs to get younger and more versatile. They can’t keep bringing back aging vets when they have a chance to let them walk (Abreu and Giambi) because we’ll see more of the same next season.
I’d like to see them sign Sabathia, but that doesn’t mean they’ll sign him. But that would open a real opportunity to change the culture of this team.
The Yanks will have three guaranteed position players in the 2010 everyday lineup who are in the mid-30s and up (A-Rod, Jeter, and Posada). It would be extremely wise to balance the rest of that lineup with young talent and players closer to their 30th birthday.
That means letting Abreu and Giambi walk this season and Damon and Matsui walking at the end of next season.
But signing Sabathia is the real key to making real changes because it would give this team one of the best rotations in the league (Sabathia, Wang, Joba, Pettitte, and Hughes/Moose), but it also makes some of the young arms on the farm expendable to use as trade bait to get a younger bat to replace Abreu.
Young pitching is like cigarettes in a prison. Teams can use them as currency to get what they need to survive.”
I actually agree completely with most of the points in this post. It makes a ton of sense. I just don’t know if Pettitte will return. other than that, its spot on.
Miggs, I should have explained that one better. I had told people earlier that I get a daily inspirational email and that was today’s word. I was hoping we could take it as a sign of good things to come for the Yankees!
So when I said it again, I was referencing what I wrote before and not meaning to be philosophical!
But I do understand your point, and it is a point well taken.
I think Moose spoke volumes with that quote. I think he’s probably one of the guys who’s most annoyed with Kennedy, he’s just not going to air the team’s dirty laundry. I don’t see how Moose or any of the veterans can help Ian. This time it’s up to him.
Ian kennedy demoted
I know it won’t happen, but if anyone should talk to Ian, it should probably be Joba. Ian and Joba are tight, right?
Joba can probably get through to him in a way no one else can.
“Girardi was asked whether Kennedty was starting on Wednesday. “He’s in our rotation,†he said. Girardi was then asked whether Kennedy would pitch on Wednesday. “We’ve done this dance before,†he said. “He’s in our rotation.â€
Your guess is as good as mine on what that means.”
For once I would like to believe Girardi is being entirely circuitous and that he may have a trick up his sleeve…
It looks like I have an imposter now.
That 3:23 comment wasn’t me.
Whiff,
The Yanks already have a DH next season with Matsui. I’d rather stay away from a 35 year old outfielder like Abreu when they have a chance to get rid of him.
This team can’t go into next season with 6-7 players in their mid-30s and up or we’re going to see more of the same from this inconsistent offense.
I don’t believe the Manny rumors one iota. Even if he does want to play for the Yanks, I don’t see Cashman signing him.
That “Manny being Manny†stuff would never fly in the Yankee clubhouse and I don’t think Cashman wants any part of that headache.
Besides, that article this morning was written by George King. I take everything he says with a grain of salt.
King is by far the most unreliable Yankee beatwriter in the business and I always seek confirmation from other beatwriters like Pete, Sweeny Murti, or Feinsand before I believe anything he writes.
Nice to see Girardi backtracking… yesterday it was “He is starting Wednesday” and today it was “he is in our rotation”.
Hopefully tomorrow it will be “We’ll discuss it with Cashman”.
For what it’s worth, Paul Byrd is pitching a very good game against toronto
Unfoturnatley, Toronto runs an AAA offense, so it doesn’t speak to Byrd’s abilities.
IPK could make Toronto look silly.
Tom, understood about similarity scores. I just find them fascinating to glance through… at the very least, they bring back a lot of memories!
A potential complete game with under 100 pitches (outdueling Halladay against a weak Cle offense) is not too shabby.
Going back to the Kennedy comment thing. I totally agree he doe3snt know how to handle himself with the press in this circumtance. However perhaps it is that he has neverhimself been in this position. I do not know a lot about his history but has there ever been a level of baseball where he has not excelled? Even last year when he was called up he was successful. This after hardly any time in the minor leagues. Perhaps he doesnt know how to respond to failure on such a grand level with so many people. Also I dont think a pr person sits you down and says to you this is how you respond when you lose, then you come off as fake.
I believe that this is a guy that probaly has no idea how to deal with failure and we are seeing th results of that vis a vi the media.
What Girardi means is, “We don’t have anybody else to start
Wednesday night. First chance we do have someone else, he won’t start”.
After 20+ years of dealing with the Yankees at various levels, I understand the YankeeSpeak when I hear it.
The hitting coach isn’t responsible for the lack of consistent hitting this year. They had the same hitting coach last year and they scored 968 runs.
This year? Losing Matsui and Posada kills them. Cano starting off poorly, and Cabrera not hitting all year, also hurts.
Jeter is having the worst offensive year in his career.
When half your lineup is either out or underperforming, there isn’t a whole lot the hitting coach can do.
Seasons and player performances are not always a straight line upward and onward.
Get a younger, more contact hitting team in the off-season and “magically” the hitting coach will be “smart” again.
Paul Byrd has actually pitched well in his last 3 starts, @Minn, at home Detroit, @ at Anaheim and today pitched a complete 6 hit two run game in Toronto. Pitched 93 pitches and a shutout from 3rd inning on. If he goes on waivers, the rest of his 7.5M FA contract would be worth the gamble.
Washburn has cleared waivers but hasn’t pitched well lately.
in the new york post are sayin manny ramirez wants to be a yankee next season
Hadn’t seen the George King article. But agree he is a sleazy version of Mike Lupica.
I still think that for a year or 2 manny would work.
matsui is a nice choice but he cannot hit the fast ball anymore like he could 3 years ago. That is a concern.
Just as long as they stay away from Texiera. I think he is highly overated and when you add the 10 year contract at 23 mill plus that he and his white pimp are talking about, big big bad sign.
I would like to see the Yankees deal Cano for something.
Pete,
I’m guessing that means Phil Franchise is going to replace Ian “I Love LA” Kennedy.
Also if I were a teammate of Eric Byrnes I would not be too happy thathe was doing this stupid skit talking about teams for the World Series and wearing all of the team caps. I know he is on the DL but we are in the middle of the season not when your team is done and he is doing this stiff in post season
I guess Mike didn’t want to say something he’d regret.
Phil w/ a cutter is going to be a waaaay different pitcher, remember his out pitch was the curveball to add a cutter that drops like a slider that’s going to be alot of groundouts.
The imposter is most likely the same person who has impersonated me, Angel, V, CB and a host of others this season.
The chances are slim we have more than one person emotionally damaged enough to impersonate people on a baseball blog.
I know we have had this conversation numerous times but, I sincerely hope Pete and the newspaper considers registration next season.
I get the fact the newspaper wants hits. They will get the same amount of hits if they have a vehicle to track the impersonators, stalkers, and trolls who inhibit the game threads once school is out for the summer. There is enough of a solid following in the blog that registration won’t affect page visits.
I don’t think getting 1300 game hits, 40% of which are nonsenical babble from the emotionally disturbed is a great advertising selling point.
That’s just me. I could be wrong.
Still hope for a change in policy though. It would make a good place even better, IMO.
Before you make fun of this lineup, try to come up with one good reason why it wouldn’t generate more runs than the current one:
1) Damon
I. Rodriguez
2) A. Rodriguez
3) Abreu
4) Nady
5) Giambi
6) Jeter
7) Cano
9) Cabrera
Well if Phil’s going to throw a cutter, it helps that he’s got Mo and Anddy to help teach it to him.
Mark Grace is one in the “Manny to the Yankees” camp. Not for four years and a hundred million. The Mets, I could see. They would like the spectacle and it would add a big bat to their lineup and fill the hole in left field. The Yankees, nope.
Grace also named the D-Backs as his pick to win the National League. Who does he work for besides Fox?
“Before you make fun of this lineup, try to come up with one good reason why it wouldn’t generate more runs than the current one”
Because you still have Giambi batting 5th!
Do people in the media just want Girardi to be honest and say Kennedy stinks and he belongs in the minors but we have no one else to pitch??! The Yanks unfortunately have no other options. Unless ofcourse they sign someone from the old timers game…Wells or Aaron Small? Wells would probably be a better option then Kennedy..I doubt he would give up 9 hits in 2 innings.
Jennifer,
Agreed re: Moose. If there is one guy in the locker room who has the standing to have a heart to heart with Kennedy, its Moose.
Wouldn’t shock me if that takes place at some point.
Moose is a real smart guy and he can see when the train is off the tracks.
Kennedy would be smart to seek Moose’s counsel. Both as a pitching resource as well as a “how to deal with the media” source.
Brandon,
Glad you chimed in on Manny. I wrote in the other thread what the Yankees can do to test whether or not Manny really wants to be a Yankee. Its a simple “test” and it would smoke out any attempt by Boras to use the Yankees in order to jack up Manny’s price in the off-season.
Boras got Manny as a client for one reason. He told Manny he could get him a 100 million dollar deal. If he can’t, Manny will drop him like yesterday’s news.
They aren’t friends, like Tex and Boras are friends. Its a case of one guy (Manny) believing the other guy (Boras) can get him what he wants (100 million bucks).
Great I have a Saturday off and i have to watch the cubs and cards…..g damn it!
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Whatever happens this season, and I do believe the Ynakees will make the PS not so much on our own perfromance but because the two teams ahead of us for the WC are both as dranatically flawed as the Yankees are in their own ways, we all can look forward to an outrageous off season or rumors, wheeling and dealing and great debates.
Last year, with the A-ROD, Posada, Mariano and Santana debates, will not hold a candle to the drama this fall.
Keven Long’s son did a really good job on the lineup, a better job than a lot of adults do!
*Yankees*
Sorry
“Do people in the media just want Girardi to be honest and say Kennedy stinks and he belongs in the minors but we have no one else to pitch??! The Yanks unfortunately have no other options. Unless ofcourse they sign someone from the old timers game…Wells or Aaron Small? Wells would probably be a better option then Kennedy..I doubt he would give up 9 hits in 2 innings.”
They have options.
You think no one else is pitching in the minors?
Kevin Longs son just did the lineup. He sounded so nervous!!
The centerpiece and 5 1/2 year reign of Ortiz-Ramirez is over and although Boston still has some components, they will be noticeably different as time moves on.
Lowell is on the downside of his career, Drew runs hot and cold, and the hitting styles of Pedroia and Youkilis are more suited for the top part of their lineup. The lower third of their lineup is of no significance.
Jason Bay will come back to earth when AL pitchers figure his hitting weakness and his strikeout totals will increase.
In the opinion of many analysts other than NESPN, the team the Yankees will need to reckon with is the Rays.
SJ44
Agree with a younger, more contact hitting team. Are you in favor of letting Giambi and Abreu go and seeking a trade for Matsui, while keeping Damon, a contact hitter.
Posada, Jeter and A-Rod aren’t going anywhere.
Would you be in favor of trading 25yo Robinson Cano to the Dodgers[ replacing FA Jeff Kent] for 24 yo Chad Billingsly, replacing Cano with FA defense whiz and decent hitter, Orlando Hudson?
How about signing FA Rafael Furcal to play short, while moving Jeter to LF, when Nady moves to right?
Find a CF’er to replace Melky.
See if Posada can play 1st. Do not sign Texeira, but sign I-Rod to one year deal.
Then Damon/Posada/I-Rod share DH duties.
Thoughts??
One last thing re: Kennedy’s comments.
I’m not one to parse player words in interviews. I don’t care that Jeter is very image conscious and will always give the vanilla answer. I don’t care that Arod can say some goofy things. I don’t care when Giambi talks about the Golden Thong.
For the most part, I’m thankful guys even TALK to the media these days. At least you get some window into their personalities.
I first heard Kennedy’s comments this morning. I gotta admit, I was blown away be them.
To me, it was as much a trainwreck as his performance. My first thought was, “what in the world is this kid thinking”? He was burying himself in that clubhouse with every word. It was amazing to watch.
He’s not some hick from the backwoods. He’s from a big city (LA area), went to USC, and even has Scott Boras as an agent. He has SOME media training. Although clearly, not enough.
After thinking about it all morning, he’s just a kid, in over his head, doing anything he can think of to show he is bulletproof and it came off very badly.
It puts him in a bad light with his teammates, manager and coaches and that only adds to his problems.
Its why getting to the majors, and staying there, is the toughest thing to do.
I hope the Yankees send him down to AAA ASAP. Not as punishment but, because he is simply not ready, mentally and physically, to help this team right now.
Bah, that didn’t go so well.
See now that intelligent post of repeated words is something that could be reported to Pete, and Pete could easily block that poster. After all, isn’t spamming against Lohud policy?
“You think no one else is pitching in the minors?”
So would you like them to bring up to pitch??
I’d call it false bravado, SJ. Unfortunately, it just came off as false.
Well what I thought was gonna be a nice start became a very crappy one.
Giese time
Too early to talk about next season trader. Let’s get through this one! lol
Seriously, all you can do is play this one out, see who is standing at the end, and go from there.
I know I wouldn’t go free agent crazy throwing huge money at good, but not great, players. That’s why they are in the spot they are in right now.
We will have plenty of time to talk about next season. Right now, I’d just like a win today.
Okay I’m gonna trust Giese to get the job done. See you in a while.
GO YANKEES!
But before I go, good job Bobby!
GIESEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Nice.
Nice inning for Dan, that first swing had me scared.
Now that’s how you pitch when you go home.
“So would you like them to bring up to pitch??”
Every single pitcher until they find someone that can give them a quality start.
I’d say start with Chase Wright. If that doesn’t work, put everyones name in a hat and pick someone for the next start. If that doesn’t work, try again.
Right now Ian Kennedy is a younger version of Kei Igawa.
SJ44
Just responding to your comment that getting a more contact younger hitting team in the offseason will make the hitting coach look smarter.
Anyway, I agree, one step at a time and wins today and tomorrow would certainly be great.
Nice, economical first inning for Giese. We’ll take some more just like that, please! Basically what the Yankees are trying to do now is to wait for injured pitchers to recover and putting Band-Aids on the problems in the meantime.
Giese is one of those Band-Aids, hopefully he will be able to stick and to stop the bleeding today.
3 PITCHES, 4 OUTS FOR LACKEY
Nice will this be a 3 pitch inning?
wtf are they doing swinging so early. at this rate lackey is going to have a cg with 50 pitches
While Kennedy’s comments from last night are disturbing – the media did do a really good job of taking his comments and running with them.
Every major beatwriter like Pete, Feinsand, Kat O’Brien, and others took these comments and went to players like Moose and then Girardi to ask them to respond – essentially trying to add fuel to the fire.
But neither Moose nor Girardi took the bait.
That’s just something the media does. They often make a big deal out of something when there’s not a lot there.
Sure, what Kennedy said was dumb. But he’s a kid and should be smart enough to overcome his PR deficiencies over time.
He might be better off if he doesn’t speak to the media at all.
I guess the yankees approach this game is to swing early…
Can we clone X and have him bat 1-9?
““So would you like them to bring up to pitch??â€
Every single pitcher until they find someone that can give them a quality start.
I’d say start with Chase Wright. If that doesn’t work, put everyones name in a hat and pick someone for the next start. If that doesn’t work, try again.”
That’d be nice if there weren’t something called the “40 man roster”.
Chase Wright is on the 40 man.
Back to work Giese
Guiseppe,
Agreed except when you are working in the media, and you hear those comments, and the way he said them, you can’t ignore it. You just can’t.
I know some of the guys on the team. Believe me, they aren’t happy hearing that stuff.
You have guy a like Damon, crashing into walls with a seperated shoulder. How do you think he’s taking those comments? Not very well.
I know the media can embellish things. In this instance though, I don’t think they did. You have a team fighting for its playoff life and a rookie starter, who was awful, comes off like that? That just ain’t kosher.
It was just one of those things that makes your head turn if you are a player in the locker room.
I also include Girardi in this. He’s not a Kennedy fan as it is. Even though he gave the kid a public “pass” today, I can’t imagine a guy who doesn’t sleep well after losses is happy hearing those comments from his rookie starting pitcher.
Its just one of those things that you wish the kid had a “do over” for his own good.
I think Vlad has the longest arms I have ever seen. No wonder he can hit anything on the outside!
So like, our rotation is Moose, Andy, Sidney, Ras (?) and Giese?
Did I miss anyone?
My question to those of you who want Chase Wright promoted.
What do you do if he repeats Kennedy’s performance and gets shelled by the Twins next week?
The Yanks can’t keep playing the Scranton merry-go-round to fill their rotation every time someone has a bad start.
Wright had been in AA the entire season up until a couple of weeks ago. What makes people think he would fare better than Kennedy?
Because he’s left-handed?
Wow Giese has got it going on today
Holy…
Can we please score a couple of runs then?
Dear Ian Kennedy,
Pay attention to Giese right now. KTHXBAI
Love,
All of us
Score some runs boys
move giese past kennedy on the SP depth chart!
…And in beach volleyball, one of the biggest upsets you will ever see.
Cool.
Yeah I don’t really like this Chase Wright idea. Not that I think Kennedy should get the start, but I would hope they could find a better option, such as Phil Hughes.
Guise is the man. He’s a very effective long reliever and a good guy for a spot start. I think he only had one bad outing this year… that doubleheader against the mets.
Kennedy! lol Seriously though, I guess Rasner’s place in the rotation depends on his blister and how long he can hold up with it.
Supposedly, its a pretty bad blister and he can’t go deep into games.
The Yankees will be watching Hughes’ start with great anticipation on Tuesday. If he does well, he could start next Sunday at the Stadium against the Royals.
Wright had been in AA the entire season up until a couple of weeks ago. What makes people think he would fare better than Kennedy?
Wright and McCutchen should have been in AAA since June..but Kei Igawa, Jeff MArquez and Steven White were given those spots to work w/ Rafy Chaves. Chase Wright if you look at his numbers has been more than ready for AAA and even did just as good vs PAwtucket just check his BAA in AA and AAA in 2008.
I think Joe didn’t want to throw any fuel on the fire, just as none of the players did. But you can be sure that Joe and maybe some of the players will give him an airing out. It isn’t so much that he pitched poorly, hey it happens. But to sit and tell the media that ah so what, I only gave up 9 hits, i made some good pitches.
“Dear Ian Kennedy,
Pay attention to Giese right now. KTHXBAI”
Serious question. How are you so sure Kennedy even has the stuff that Giese has? Giese’s breaking pitches look unhittable. We’ve seen 0 of that from Ian Kennedy. Maybe Kennedy just isn’t that great…
can someone please tell me what ipk said after last nights game? thanks
Remember when Rasner pitch 3 good games in a row and everybody wanted to have him in the rotation.See that was crazy.
Giese has pitched two innings.Can wee wait two or three games before saying he’s a great pitcher.But hopefully he can pitch well enough to get kicked backed in the pen after Hughes comes up.
And Melky Cabrera still can’t hit
How are you so sure Kennedy even has the stuff that Giese has? Giese’s breaking pitches look unhittable. We’ve seen 0 of that from Ian Kennedy. Maybe Kennedy just isn’t that great…
Not sure at all.
But one thing is for sure, Giese doesn’t look like he is gonna crap his pants while up there.
“My question to those of you who want Chase Wright promoted.
What do you do if he repeats Kennedy’s performance and gets shelled by the Twins next week?
The Yanks can’t keep playing the Scranton merry-go-round to fill their rotation every time someone has a bad start.
Wright had been in AA the entire season up until a couple of weeks ago. What makes people think he would fare better than Kennedy?
Because he’s left-handed?”
We won’t know until we try.
Try being the key word.
If it doesn’t work out.. the next start after, Hughes should be ready in terms of pitch count. Pavano could also be an option.
Also would like to point out that Kennedy hasn’t had one bad outing. Every single outing this year he’s had has been bad. Right now, he is no better than Kei Igawa.
MoBoy: I went to Giese’s first start. He was excellent through the first six–the reason the Yankees didn’t win was because they had no offense. Like, the bases loaded no one out and don’t score a run no offense.
Which seems to be what’s happening right now.
SJ,
No doubt Kennedy said something dumb and that won’t sit well in the clubhouse.
And I also agree that the media shouldn’t ignore his comments either.
But the media, as Pete admitted, did go to Girardi and Moose in order to add fuel to this fire and tried to make an even bigger issue out of it.
Handling the media in NY is a great skill and Torre was the master at it.
But the media does often try to drum up stories when there’s not a lot of substance there. A-Rod can tell you a thing or two about that.
Again, what Kennedy said was dumb. But the media certainly didn’t do him any favors.
I guess they missed when Girardi was the every day catcher on world championship teams
ugghh that curveball is going to give our LHB fits… I can already tell.
get melky out of the lineup
Can I ask a question about Dan Giese?
Why has it taken him so long to make the majors? I mean, I know there are tons of AAA guys who aren’t real prospects, but the d00d never really stunk in the minors (except for 2005).
http://www.thebaseballcube.com.....iese.shtml
5 years in AAA til he got promoted to the Majors for the first time last year. Wow.
“…And in beach volleyball, one of the biggest upsets you will ever see”
…the only ‘upset’ in beach volleyball that i would be interested in would be if the ball exploded and martians came out of it”
i cant believe all this hoopla about “sports” like rhythmic gymnastics syncronized swimming and beach volleyball! stick those olympic rings on it and you can get people to watch tiddleywinks for two weeks!
just give me the start time for the 100 meter dash and you can keep the rest of it as far as im concerned.
Boston had him at single A for 3 years, despite pitching well enough (IMO) to go to AA.
Watch Kennedy’s starts from last year. He had better stuff than Giese.
He had a slider that had a lot of depth. A killer changeup and a curveball, to go with his 89-91 fastball. He was that good last year.
For whatever reason, he lost the feel for his off speed stuff this year. He didn’t even have it in spring training.
Everything is on the same plane and everything is up in the zone. Unlike last year when most of his pitches were down in the zone.
He’s a completely different pitcher from last year.
The issue the Yankees now have is, getting him back to what he was last year. If they can, they have someone that either can help them or be used in a trade.
If not, they have a career AAA pitcher.
Too early to say which way it will go right now.
“And Melky Cabrera still can’t hit”
So far, today, nobody can hit.
Also would like to point out that Kennedy hasn’t had one bad outing. Every single outing this year he’s had has been bad. Right now, he is no better than Kei Igawa.
But I also don’t think last night’s outing is a fair assessment of Kennedy right now because he was facing the best team in the majors and is really on a roll.
Truth be told, very few Yankee pitchers have been successful against the Angels since 2004 – whether their names are Wang, Pettitte, Kennedy, or anyone else.
Think about this. Someone tells you that at some point in the season this will be the Yankees rotation:
Dan Giese
Darrel Rasner
Sidney Ponson
Andy Pettitte
Mike Mussina
Then they tell you that Matsui will be out for most of the season and Jorge will go down. And that Wang will be lost to you. And that Bruney will be kicking butt and will down with an injury. And that Joba will have to leave the rotation when the rotation has Ponson and Rasner at its back end.
That someone named Robertson will be important to your bullpen.
That there will be certain days that your lineup will have names like Christian and Betemit, and that Cano will disappoint you for a while and Melky won’t manage to get off the schnide maybe all season.
Then they tell you that the Yankees are only 3 games out of the wild card and only 3 games behind the 2nd place Sux – and it’s only early August. And that you just might be getting Joba back and you also might be getting a healthy Phil Hughes back, and there’s at least a chance you’ll be getting Wang back. And that there’s a possibility you might see Matsui again this season.
Wouldn’t you tip your cap in amazement to the Yankees and feel pretty good about their chances for the rest of the season, and into the postseason?
I would!
c’mon Giese
Y’s guy, if you think rhythmic gymnastics is easy, why don’t you try it? :-p
I watched him closely last night..He threw two real good sharp curves, four real nice tailing changes…Other than that everything elese was from the same slot with very little action….This is not what we witnessed last September….. He’s clearly shaken and lost ……
“Think about this. Someone tells you that at some point in the season this will be the Yankees rotation:
Dan Giese
Darrel Rasner
Sidney Ponson
Andy Pettitte
Mike Mussina”
trisha, that is what is outright -amazing- about what they’ve done this year.
And even then, the team ERA isn’t horrid.
What just happened? how did he get to third?
you serious ump how is that not an inf fly
rebecca, i think its hard to get the stupid cap off the medicine bottle but i dont want them to turn it into an olympic sport (or have they already?)
Pete,
Something to ask the Yankees or Kennedy……
Did he attend the Scott Boras Pitching Camp he holds for his pitchers every off-season?
Boras holds workouts for his clients in the off-season. He supposedly has his people (he has a staff of former major league coaches and players on the payroll) work with their pitchers and position players.
I ask because if you talk to the Red Sox, they will tell you they believe Boras and his people really messed up Craig Hansen. They changed the grip on his slider as well as his release point, and the Red Sox contend it messed up the kid beyond repair.
I don’t know if its true or just a team ticked off at an agent.
However, when I think of Kennedy, I don’t see anything that resembles the same pitcher from last year.
I’m just curious if he was a “student” in Scott’s tutorials in the off-season. Perhaps that would explain how he suddenly fell off the map as a pitcher.
No harm, no foul.
Giese has already exceeded Kennedy’s performance, but that wasn’t hard to do. I hope he gets out of this jam and has a solid 5-6+ inning outing. But he’s just a band-aid, as is Rasner and, in the long run, as is Ponson.
If you want to be optimistic, hope that Hughes can come up soon and deliver, hope that Joba can come back as he hopes and be Joba, and hope that the band-aids don’t snap.
And if you want to be uber-optimistic… Pavano!
that was a great base running play… but more bad announcing from fox – what did that have to do with the infield fly rule?? you’re allowed to tag up, it’s not a dead ball – he played professional baseball??
You can still tag up on an infield fly so it didnt matter if it was called or not
“But I also don’t think last night’s outing is a fair assessment of Kennedy right now because he was facing the best team in the majors and is really on a roll.”
It’s not like that was his first start of the year. He’s had 9 other starts. Only 2 of them were quality starts.
In fact out of the 10 starts he’s completed 39.2 innings. That’s an average of 4 innings a game. There is no positive spin you can put on this guy. He’s just not ready for the major leagues.
can they just score 1 little run? Please
I didnt realize Kennedy was a Boras client.
bad umping…. bad announcing.. and so far bad hitting
Wow, A-Rod just going over to chat with Jeter. Maybe Pudge should have joined them also so he could have gotten all the way home without a pitch thrown.
Bob -
I know I don’t want to relive talking about Kennedy’s comments, but if you go to http://www.yesnetwork.com and to the Yankee part of the site, you can find something called Postgame Plus (something like that) and you will be able to watch the entire postgame show, including Kennedy’s comments.
Ok Alex and Giese need to stay awake.
Anyway the 2 seam is giving righties fits and the curveball is giving the lefties fits… This is gonna be a tough game unless Lackey throws one of those pitches to the opposite batter.
joet 28, you think you guys have it bad, i have to listen to this game on the angels station over mlb dot com, since they’re showing the cubs-cards game on fox here!
sj44
Are your serious!! If that is the case, can’t a team tell their player not to attend these sessions.
Okay I have to go to a cookout but I am going to predict that our runs and scoring opportunities will come anytime between innings 5-7. I know, I gave myself quite a window of opportunity!
Let’s take this game!
GO YANKEES!!!
that AB changed because Alex took the 2 seamer on 1-1 ..THANK YOU FOR HITTING HIM
I hope that’s going to be a three-game suspension for hitting Giambi.
y’s guy – can’t be worse then McCarver.. it can’t be. He makes up 95% of the things he says.
oh if Lackey hangs a curve he’s hitting it.
but yeah I definitely hate listening to other teams annoucners, even if they’re 60% angels 40% Yankees with the announcing (way better then any team is, the best is probably 70-30) it still sucks to listen to
Did he attend the Scott Boras Pitching Camp he holds for his pitchers every off-season?
Boras holds workouts for his clients in the off-season. He supposedly has his people (he has a staff of former major league coaches and players on the payroll) work with their pitchers and position players.
I ask because if you talk to the Red Sox, they will tell you they believe Boras and his people really messed up Craig Hansen. They changed the grip on his slider as well as his release point, and the Red Sox contend it messed up the kid beyond repair.
Wow. Really?
I never even realized Kennedy was a Boras client..and I also didn’t realize Satan….oops..I mean Scott..had that type of program in place.
So what did Dan Giese do to the Yankees offense?
Cos this is the second time they won’t score anything for him.
Does any one know if all the spots on 40 roaster are filled. Last I knew, there were only 39 when Igawa was DSAed. Then we had trades.
Travis – 1 he won’t get suspended for that, nor should he be, and 2 – even if he does, you can suspend a starter 3 days between every start, it doesn’t matter
I’ve enjoyed listening to Yankees’ games on the away radio stations for Pittsburgh and Texas. That’s what John Sterling and Suzyn Waldman have driven me to do.
I wonder if Nady is batting 5th w/ Giambi as protection does he see a curveball in that AB.
JoeT, I know. I’m just having flashbacks to Yankees’ pitchers getting suspended for not hitting batters.
T – ok sorry – soft subject, bob watson is an @$$ he probably would suspend him…. it’s like he doesn’t have a clue sometimes
Brandon- the curve is Lackeys best pitch hes going to use it in any tough spot no matter what
Ok, so this season just got even more bizarre.
IPK is suppose to be a force on the Yankees staff – done nothing
Hughes is suppose to be a force on the Yankees staff – done nothing
Pettitte veteran starter who will anchor the staff – average
Mussina was suppose to be below average – stellar
and now, Ponson, Rasner, and now Giese are pitching better than three of the four mentioned above. Just nuts.
46 pitches – 34 strikes. What the hell is he doing? That is not how Yankee pitchers throw.
:snort: McCarver is a total. Total. Total. Idiot. Still railing about the Joba starter –> reliever –> starter.
Hush up, Tim McCarver.
You’re completely forgetting he was on a innings limit.
Is anyone at the game today? can you walk over to the tv booth and shake some sense into Tim? PLEASE!!
McCarver has no idea about innings or pitch counts, though. He would have nothing wrong with Joba throwing 220 innings this year, lol.
Brandon- the curve is Lackeys best pitch hes going to use it in any tough spot no matter what
He started Nady out w/ 2 of them I doubt he goes w/ that pitch if Giambi is on deck..it would be risking getting behind Nady which is not something he’d want to do.
McCarver is a mron.. his rationale is head scratching…
now all the morons against Joba starting will say it occured because of converting from a relief pitcher. Even though there is no evidence they will spout there stupidity endlessly.
looks like our superpowered offense is geared up to come up big today….
can they even spell the word big hit???
Joba doesn’t belong in the same graphic as IPK and Phil Franchise. Not even the same conversation. Hughes I think will still be very good/top of the rotation type guy. IPK after last night I just don’t see it
Now, that’s how you pitch on your homecoming.
Seriously, can FOX not find anyone else who is better than Tim McCarver. I used to enjoy listening to him. But I was 12. And it was 1984. Times change.
Time so lets take a pitcher who threw 100 innings last year start him in the beginning of the season, and have him double his innings to 200. Yep that makes sense. It isn’t like they had him pitching one inning, than made him throw 7 innings the next time out and he blew his arm out!! I can’t believe this moron!!
did anyone saw Posada’s name on the due up list?
Nice job by Giese so far.
did anyone notice the tv said due up : posada. lol.
enough with the Rasner love, he still gave up 3 runs yesterday…
Crazy stat of the year:
The Yankees record in games that Hughes and Kennedy start: 3-12.
In the rest of their games: 60-41.
Despite the injuries, up and down offense, new manager and coaching staff, etc, if they got marginal results out of Hughes and Kennedy this season, they would be in good shape.
Kennedy seems like a lost cause to rebound this year. It would be great if Hughes can and put together 4-6 solid starts for them the rest of the way.
did anyone notice the tv said due up : posada. lol.
good im not the only one. lol
Great job by Giese so far
how long can Geise go? 75 pitches max? around there I would assume
McCarver is the epitome of an asinine ex announcer who THINKS his playing career provides validation for him to comment on baseball. No different than half the jackasses as ESPN.
Problem with McCarver is that he is like a nagging wife, does not know when to let a topic go.
maybe the ghost of Harry Carey can make him swallow his microphone.
Is Nady a free agent after this year?
What do you guys think the Yanks should do with their OF next year? Too bad Matsui and Damon are on the books for ’09. Bring Abreu back? Sign Manny for a couple/few years?!?!
Melky gets a hit… holy cow
Tim Carver is half right.He’s wrong about Joba should have started the season in the rotation.But He is right the about the Yankees being desperate in pitching and I thought he was rushed in the rotation.He was a stater after only a week.
Now we have to see if Joba injury isn’t like Paplebon’s.
He pitched backwards and threw a breaking ball first to keep the hitter off balance and i dont think he would of thrown the second curve if Nady didnt look so bad on the first one
Rats! Here in Northern CA, Fox is showing the Cubs-Cards game.
Hope we beat the Anaheim Rally Monkeys today!
Wasn’t McCarver an announcer for the Yanks when they were on MSG (before YES came into existence)?
SJ, I firmly believe that when Phil Hughes returns to the Yankee rotation, it’ll be the same Hughes that we saw in Texas, or the very least late last season….His return is for the long stay….
home run derby today at wrigley, 5 homers already in the top of the 4th, including one by zambrano!
Doesn’t the team have Nady for 2009 and an option on Marte for 2009?
Or is it just Marte?
how many outs whith less than 3 pitchs lackey gets??
no Giese is going 80-85
2 out hits baby.
Pat M, I share your optimism about Hughes.
Fran, I remember Tim McCarver in the 1980s as an announcer on WWOR for the Mets, and for ABC when they had Al Michaels, Jim Palmer, and McCarver in the booth. Not enough air time for all three of those guys to work together, although I do like Palmer.
Yank Fan 74 – I know most people don’t want Abreu back but I definitely do. I would love Abreu on this team again. Matsui is still a great offensive player if he’s healthy (big if right now) he’s a 100 RBI and 100 run scored guy as well as very clutch with guys on. Damon still has it, when he’s hot the whole offense runs. My outfield would be Nady in left, Damon in center, Abreu in right with Matsui as the DH. Melky, if he’s still on the team, could rotate and give people a day off when needed
pat m
dont think it might be a little much to expect no-hit stuff on phil’s first game back?
expectations arent too high for this guy are they?
In fact out of the 10 starts he’s completed 39.2 innings. That’s an average of 4 innings a game. There is no positive spin you can put on this guy. He’s just not ready for the major leagues.
Hughes was just as terrible at the beginning of the season.
Are you ready to give up on him as well if he doesn’t pitch well upon his return?
We can’t keep playing the rookie merry-go-round if and when they have a bad start. There aren’t enough young options available to keep playing that game.
Well, at least Jeter didn’t GIDP for the third and fourth outs.
That was a horrible, horrible at bat from Jeter. Rally killer.
Atta boy Captain.
Not to bash… but Jeter shouldn’t bat 2nd
I think the clutch in Jeter is broken? Somebody needs to replace it………
Y’s Guy, maybe not no-hit stuff, but I can see Hughes returning in the good form he displayed last September and October.
Don’t know whether anybody mentioned this but apparently Manny wants to sign with the Yanks and get back at the Red Sox.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....instr.html
years ago Jetes still swings at that curve but spoils it…again I can’t say that he’s having a good year.
Jeter stinks this year
No-Hitter , of course not, but command of his pitches yes…He can dominate hitters as he gets ahead…I think people forget how outstandingly good this hid is…His name has been around for awhile, but he’s 22 years old….
261 with RISP that is the only stat that matters about this inept offense.. 9th in the league in runs scored.. the Angels who lead the Yanks in almost no offensive category except SB have a 280 something avg…
I forgot it is a statistical anamoly and a small sample size jsut ask all the sabermetric geeks..
After all Arods 240 with BA RISP is just an anamoly for the BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME…
way to help your 31 yr old starter out with a big offensive effort..
Rasner and Giese are just much better than Hughes and Kennedy.
Don’t know whether anybody mentioned this but apparently Manny wants to sign with the Yanks and get back at the Red Sox.
Manny discussion
the yanks have something for walking the angels 9th place hitter. in about 6 games they have done it at least 6 times….
You know, if you’d said that back in March, I’m not sure you could find anyone to take that seriously.
V shrewd remark, standard for you.. Yeah Rasner with his over 5 ERA is dominating. .Where can we get 3 more Rasners and 5 + ERA..
V do you try to act dumb or does it come naturally???
It would be nice if the Yanks could score some runs now for Geise.
Travis – I guess McCarver’s been around and announced for a lot of teams.
Stuart,
I’m guessing its not the “Original V”.
Wow. Terrific five innings from Giese so far. This is the absolute kind of lift that the Yankees needed for him to provide.
Throwing strikes, quick innings, now hopefully the offense can get something going. Good duel between Giese and Lackey.
Wow Tim is a mean nasty old man. Oh only 11 tickets, and I bet some of those are front runners. Um No Tim, he has 50 people there, he didn’t pay for all 50, he doesn’t know how long he will be up here.
Thank you Alex!
has anyone heard Washburn was placed on waivers…
OH SNAP A TACK ON HR
ALEX!
IT’S AN A-BOMBBBBBBB FROM A-RODDDD
Selfish Tack-on runs!
im just hoping hughes can give us league-average #’s and pitch a decent #of innings and stay healthy. that would be a huge improvement over what we have now and also over what hughes has shown us so far this season.
i have much higher hopes for phils long-term career, but for now we just need a month of healthy, reasonably dependable pitching.
Oh look! A run thingie!!
Nice job Alex
It was a solo shot, but there’s a big HR by ARod.
Damn AROD and his solo homeruns!!!!
Called it.
Nice,JoeT and TK!
Didn’t call that one, though.
BACK TO BACK!
Yay!
Haha, A-Rod got the party started.
now a meaningless HR
Giambi!!
Oh look another
Thanks BIG G!
Another HR with nobody on.
Its why he’s not “clutch” (sarcasm for the sarcasm challenged).
STACHE… NO STACHE…. IT DOESN’T MATTER
When we talk about the offense getting something in gear, that’s what we mean. Good job Alex! Now Giese has something to work with.
brandon someone posted this am that washburn cleared waivers, i think they cited the seattle post intelligencer.
Now that was clutch
Another “meaningless” home run for A Rod.
back to back!
Way to go Jason. Can Nady make it 3?
Giese pitching well. a meaning full hit by ARod… what does that mean
yeah baby.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy
How selfish of Alex he couldn’t get a single so Jason could drive him in. UnREAL!
BACK TO BACK….. WHERE DID THIS POWER COME FROM.
IS BARRY BONDS IN THE YANKEES CLUBHOUSE??????
Big G went deep too baby!!!
Someday, Pete, I think you will get it. I’m sure of it. That “What Kennedy Said” thing is a MEDIA STORY. You guys are the only ones that really care, but you so, so, SO wish we all cared even a tiny fraction of the amount YOU care.
And you too, Jason!
Nady doesn’t like to tack on
Danny Boy, hold it here.
Cano really needs to stop making one-pitch outs.
“Another HR with nobody on.
Its why he’s not “clutch†(sarcasm for the sarcasm challenged).”
If A-Rod was really a team player, he would have walked so Giambi gets 2 RBI – me, me, me.
deadrody
You couldn’t be more wrong! Check out the entry about Kennedy’s comments, see how many of us didn’t care for what he said. Mussina’s statement says it all. He doesn’t even want to comment on it. You know why? Cause he’d rip him a new one.
deadrody
Kennedy can say whatever he wishes; it is his pathetic performance on the mound that causes the problem
TKinDC
Great minds!!
Cody
August 9th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Cano really needs to stop making one-pitch outs.
Careful Cody. Someone will come back with he is a .370 hitter on the first pitch… They will say you are wrong.
Even though last night is got 2 hits after seeing 2+ pitches in those AB’s. But……meaningless when someone can read he is a .370 hitter
Cano just needs better luck, he smoked that out.
whoops – sry jenn!
Lead won’t last long; I have a feeling the Angels will score this inning, too.
If Giese gets through this you’ve gotta let him go out next inning.
This is how you pitch at home, Kennedy.
That homerun by Alex was so impressive. He had to pull his hands in towards his body – and he still blasted it over the fence to the deepest part of the park. Took a pitch that was slightly inside an powered it out to center field.
Didn’t try to pull that pitch. And still hit a homerun.
It’s just unbelievable the things he can do at the plate.
Another hr in the Cubs/Cardinals game.
And, uh, apparently in ours, too.
damn
see Alex’s HR is meaningless
Boras is just drooling
Rebecca- Zambrano had brushed back Glaus the pitch before. Next pitch, BAM. A three-run shot. And Carlos is now done for the day.
Giese is Vlady’s daddy!
Get through this inning Dan. 1 more
that wasn’t the pitch to throw to Teixiera..that’s what Tex does, he hits offspeed but well located fastballs not so easy for him.
Giese has given Vladimir the silver sombrero so far. I didn’t exactly see that one coming, to say the least.
Really nice start by Giese. The Yankees will probably go to the bullpen in the next inning.
Outstanding Job Giese! Well done.
Only 1 run… very nice job today Mr. Giese.
thank you for showing that the Yankees still have some pitching.
Now if we can only get a couple more runs.
Wow. You can’t be disappointed with Giese’s outing, at all.
He made one mistake pitch to Teixiera with no one on base.
Just came in and started throwing strikes.
It’s one of the best performances of Yankee pitching against the Angels I’ve seen–and this is the second time he’s doing it, too.
so Ponson and Giese (who woulda thunk it)
LOLOL, Mike Mussina wins clutch performer of the month and the announcer has to make sure he gets in the fact that probably a lot of Yankee fans voted. What a loser.
Mussina is the clutch performer of the month? And that, according to the announcer, means a lot of Yankees’ fans voted? No respect for Moose!
“there must’ve been a lot of Yankees fans voting”
so he’s saying Moose doesn’t deserve that?
CB, His talent is freakish….Years from now people will be talking about his greatness…Hit 800 hr’s and still not be considered clutch is absurd….
Looks like Dan deserves another shot! I applaud him! Glad he pitched a great game in front of his family and friends.
Looks like a lot of Yankee fans voting? What is wrong with these people!! I HATE THEM!
I don’t care about the HR. Who would have signed up for 6 innings of one run ball out of Dan Giese today? I know I would have.
What a terrific performance.
For the folks who think the radar gun is all that matters, he can barely touch 87-88 MPH. However, not too many pitches in the middle of the plate and all of his pitches are at different planes. That’s why its called “pitching”.
Its an art and everybody not blessed with Joba’s arm can do it successfully early in their careers.
Dan Giese has spent just about his entire career in the minor leagues. Yet, look at him. He’s competing his brains out!
That’s why Girardi means when he says he wants Kennedy (or any pitcher for that matter) to “compete”.
Just an unbelievable job by Giese today. Against the best team in baseball on the road.
Now, it would be nice if this team can get him the win so that family BBQ is one, big celebration.
we are not the only ones that voted FOX
Oh if I could only curse on this board. Why must he rip Mike Mussina? Everyone wrote him off for dead last year, and look what he is doing! He deserves it!
The only things this team excels at are GIDPs and giving runs right back.
Absolutely typical Fox. *congratulating* mussina on his clutch performance award, and then spending 5 minutes discussing who should have won instead, lol.
Nobody, certainly media, gave even a prayer for Geise.
He gave a super quality start.
Now it is up to the bullpen to save the game. All big arms are rested.
Also, offense has to score a couple more runs to be on the safe side.
Guys like Pettitte, Wang, and others the last few years couldn’t handle the Angels but Posnon and Giese did.
Go figure.
…the run and hit? What the…
(DUDE! THEY HIT AND RUN WITH MELKY!)
alright Melky!
Pat M,
It’s a truly astonishing thing to watch Alex play. Just jaw dropping how good he is. You just shake your head.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player take such smooth, easy swings and just generate so much power.
He didn’t even swing hard on that pitch. And it’s still just crushed.
The ball just explodes off his bat. It comes off his bat completely differently than it does off other players – even great ones.
cmon damon come through here or atleast move melky to second to eliminate the dp
No need for the announcers to remark on the number of Yankee fans voting. That’s the whole point of fan voting. You see a player of your favorite team up for an award, you vote for him to win. That’s what being a fan is all about!
Giese has really had Guerrero’s number today. Just made him look really silly.
Johnny be exactly what we needed.
Derek, for the love of all that’s holy, no DPs of any sort here, okay?
WOW I just saw a Sit an Fun …I mean a brit and gun ..no I meant to say Hit n’ Run (sorry long time since I’ve seen that)
that a boy jete!!
hey abe, you wanna critique A-Rod’s solo HR’s now?
You may have made him look bad, but in context, not so much.
Mr. Clutch has 7 HR and 6 are solo. 17 of Giambi’s 23 HR are solo. Why was that not posted?
Got to have Jeter bunt here, IMO.
“Absolutely typical Fox. *congratulating* mussina on his clutch performance award, and then spending 5 minutes discussing who should have won instead, lol.”
And then to top it off, they have the Sabathia graphic ready to go, right on cue. I’m sure they would have explored Mussina’s month with a graphic had Sabthia won… Not.
hope Kennedy is watching this… that putz.
Oh no we cant lose melky hes such a valuable player!
Thank god Jetes bunted, not GIDPd
Now we should get at least one run. All it takes is a fly ball by Bobby.
nice bunt by Jetes
I’d pitch around Abreu and make Arod and Giambi beat me….
His core strength must be incredible….His hips just seemingly glide when turning, but generates so much power….Smooth from start ot finsh….
Melky with 2 hits?
Means automatic win.
Think Hank will issue a quote saying IPK should learn to throw more like Giese?
darn.
GI Joe do not send Bobby
I thought he was safe there.
Come on, A-Rod. This is your time.
It kind of boggles the mind they had that ready there just conveniently for that discussion. Not saying CC wasn’t deserving. But Mussina was just as deserving too, in his own right.
Id be interested to know who the former winners of that clutch award were, just to see if they were from places without the population of New York.
come a-rod just answer them critics
Man, he just missed hammering that.
wasn’t he safe? the throw beat him, but his feet seemed to have beaten the tag.
ARod and Giambi hitting lot of Solos is on the people batting in front of them especially Jeter. He hits so many GIDPs and clears the bases before they come to bat
Oh, Derek. Let’s hope he doesn’t coach the Yankees at any point. He’ll have a 38 year old Austin Jackson bunting at every chance
I told GI Joe not to send the runner
You know Jeter is on his own in those situations. I agree bad play as well.
So much for that.
Wish we got more than one run there, but one run is better than none.
Abreu had the bad at-bat in the inning. With a runner on 3rd base and only one out he needed to get that run in.
RISP = Kryptonite for Alex
There is no worse hitter in this lineup with men on base than A-Rod. He’s flat out terrible this season.
hmmm HR no one on.
Strikeout, RISP.
hmmm
it was like Arod was looking off speed the entire ab
Brandon
Who are you Bizarro?
The inability to tack on runs and have big innings in these situations has killed this offense all season. Just not a good situational hitting team and an awful team hitting w/RISP.
Its not just one guy. Its the entire team.
Oh well, its up to the pitching now to hold this lead. Looks like 3 is the magic number today.
Oh Alex.
crap. what the heeck happened there?
“It’s a truly astonishing thing to watch Alex play. Just jaw dropping how good he is. You just shake your head.”
Just don’t put a runner on and make sure the game is the first 6 innings.
Was Kennedy paying close attention with how Dan Giese competes or was he polishing his sunglasses or filing his fingernails ?
Brandon
Who are you Bizarro?
????
Hmm, looking at the three previous winner, maybe its just that Yankee fans are the only ones who bother to vote in these things, lol.
…We should have gotten more than one run there.
I know a 2 run lead vs the Angels w/ 3 innings left is not a sure bet..we needed a big inning in the 6th…and that’s why we needed it
“Oh well, its up to the pitching now to hold this lead. Looks like 3 is the magic number today.”
Because they can’t score off the Angels bullpen? Go away.
Pete… doing jinx the party yet.
And that is why you need to score when you have 2nd and 3rd and and your 3 and 4 hitters up.
Uh Oh-not that Veras
dear god veras, throw something offspeed
why wasnt marte in the game to face the lefty? lol
Hey Pete, weren’t you the guy who listed Jete’s position as GIDP the other day? And now you say he should swing away with men on first and second and no outs in the seventh inning of a close game? Which one is it? Is Derek the man who gets all these hits or the guy who’s an automatic double-out?
damn why cant that Anderson take some pitches?
Always smart to waste outs when the pitcher is on the ropes.
If I’m pitching against Arod with RISP this is my pitch sequence.
1st Pitch: Fastball. Arod isn’t going to swing on the 1st one b/c he is afraid of hitting something bad.
2nd Pitch: Offspead. Get him to chase an offspeed pitch b/c he doesn’t want to get in the hole with 2 strikes because he knows he will become a head case.
3rd Pitch: Doesn’t matter…you’ve got him because he will either swing through it, chase it, or pop up.
He possesses alot of talent, but uses it at odd times…he is looking more like the Arod of 2006, which caused fans to hate him.
It matters how much he says he is comfortable, he obviously isn’t. I’m more hopeful with Damon, Jeter, Abreu and even Cano up in these situations than Arod (the best hitter in baseball)
Fox sure is paying attention to Melky’s hip alot today.
“UPDATE, 5:40 p.m.: And there you go, all it did was lead to an out.
Derek Jeter should be swinging the bat, period. Unless it’s the 8th or 9th inning of a tie game, he needs to swing the bat and not give himself up. You pay the man $20 million and it’s not to bunt, it’s to get hits.”
Pete, it’s your blog and I’ve never once disagreed with you, but I have to hear. Jeter has been a GIDP machine this year. he laid down a beautiful bunt (as a 2-hitter should be able to do) and got 2nd and third for Abreu and A-Rod…. if one of them single in 2 runs then the bunt is what set up the big hit
a couple nice plays by the middle infielders
here****
Paul Byrd looked pretty darn good today.
Not cool Veras.
Very, very not cool.
OMG
nice job there veras. remind us to put you out again with a 2 run lead
what are we the Mets?
I don’t think this year’s Jeter is the real Jeter. I think we have Clark Rockefeller as our shortstop.
Oh No Veras!!!
Wow. Wow. Wow.
Veras, enjoy falling off the RP depth chart.
These announcers are jinxes!! i hate them.
DAMN IT!!!!
Damn Jose is not sharp today..
GET HIM OFF THE MOUND NOW!
Aww, that sucked for Giese.
GET HIM OUT OF THE GAME
get him out of this game now.
Anyone else ever see such a great player like A-Rod look completely different in close games, late in games and with runners on?
It’s like he morphs into an automatic out.
DAMN! WAY TO WASTE A VICTORY VERAS! BRING IN EDWAR NOW!!!!!!!
in your face!!!
Yikes, Jose. On a 1-2 pitch to a Number 9 hitter who’s hitting .204. Not good at all.
Is Veras tipping off his pitches? its like they know whats coming
Single to Figgins = Double
Good Job Veras!
Terrible pitch call there – worse location.
Mathis cant hit a fastball, so let’s hang a slider!
This team is driving me crazy. This game shouldn’t be tied. We should be able to get more than 3 runs off of 9 hits.
Napoli. Mathis – what’s the difference
“UPDATE, 5:40 p.m.: And there you go, all it did was lead to an out.
Derek Jeter should be swinging the bat, period. Unless it’s the 8th or 9th inning of a tie game, he needs to swing the bat and not give himself up. You pay the man $20 million and it’s not to bunt, it’s to get hits.”
Pete, do you realize that 3 games ago you brought up how Jeter was 2nd in the league in grounding into double plays.
It was a good play but a bad outcome.
He’s #2 hitter, they’re supposed to bunt sometimes.
Good Lord, what a horrible job by Veras.
every yankee should apologize to giese after the game. what a great way to reward a starter
Actually, Pete, they called twice.
Where’s Kyle?
You can make a case that the bullpen has been terrible since he got traded.
12 PITCHES, 2 RUNS. PUHLEEEEASE…i would think Kennedy would say Veras is doin GRRRREAT!
Nice throw by Pudge
Arod and Abreu with 2 more clutch AB’s..
Arod is beyond description the guy is hitting 20 some odd points below league avg with RISp…
Below league avg.
the best player in baseball that is comical…
Pete,
Disagree. Jeter is a GIDP machine. Can’t have him hit in that situation.
Second and third and one out, with your two leading RBI guys (Abreu and Arod) coming up. If they can’t get the job done, that’s on them.
What would be worse is if you let Jeter swing away, he hits into another GIDP and Abreu and Arod don’t get a chance to hit.
As I type this, Jose Veras just blows the game for the Yankees. Just a horrific job to ruin Dan Giese’s day.
This team just can’t get it together. They can’t hit with RISP, the bullpen is just falling apart now, and they simply can’t win series against anybody. Good teams or bad teams.
Just not a good team. Despite the names on the roster.
Give me a damn break, Peter. You know as well as all of us that Jeter would’ve grounded into a double player there. That’s on Abreu and A-Rod.
why is veras still in the game? joe always does this. leaves players in too long
You don’t bunt with 1 and 2nd and no one out up by 2 runs.
Jeter has over 2,000 hits If he can’t get a hit and continue it you’re not winning anyway.
and just like that… a snapshot of the Yankee season.
7.5/4.5
Veras+Bruney+Girardi=WTF!
Someone please tell me how a reliever can come in a blow such a good start so quickly. It’s Geise vs Lackey. Odds strongly against the Yanks and Geise gives them every opportunity to win this game (which they still can) but this team finds ways to lose leads and possible games.
How do you come in after a gutsy performance by Geise and serve up 2 bombs and then a single? How?
I know Pete doesn’t like bunts, but given how many times Jeter has GIDP, I actually liked the bunt. Abreu just didn’t do his job. 4-1 game is completely different from 3-1. That one run is much more important than the possibility of getting the score to 5-1 or 6-1. Angels just had two innings to score (if you assume Mo’s perfectness continues).
You can’t blame Jeter for the bunt. With his DP rates it’s the right call. You blame Bobby and Alex for not coming through, if you blame anyone.
STOP PLAYING PUDGE!!!!!
HE CALLS A TERRIBLE GAME AND HAS MADE OUR RELIEVERS INTO CRAP
Who is the guy getting all upset about the pitch selection?
nice job veras. you walked izturis.
So we’re conceding this game?
What the hell ..you want to face Tex ? jesus Jose …
The bunt from Jeter is fine.
The fact that Bobby Abreu can’t lift or drive the ball with the infield in is pathetic.
And A-Rod, well did anyone think that AB would play out any differently.
HOW IS VERAS PITCHING HERE?
The season is over.
Here goes the game.
OH GOD, TEXERIA….
get him out of here, for the love of god
VERAS SUCKS!
Letting Veras pitch to Teixeira here????
So how long is he going to leave Veras in??? One batter too many like Edwar last week when he gave up the Grand Slam??
Go Yankees !!!
Is this really happening?
I swear the guy knew it was coming he didnt even lift the bat off his shoulder on the 3-2 breaking ball
I agree. That was stupid. Go right after that guy with a FB. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
you can’t blame pudge. veras can shake off and bottom line is: it comes out of his hand
i love the fact that they are teeing off on him, and not even eiland is come out to talk.
Why are so many people surpised.Veras,Bruney,Edward,Giese,Ponson are all journey men.They play good until they implode.Then they get DFA’d then play good for a month or 2 on another team.
None of these guys ever played good for more then 3 months at a time.
All right, the game is tied, the Yankees are not losing, let alone being blown out. We can very well still win this.
this is just great. jose veras is just awful lately.
Why couldn’t Danny pitch the 7th?
Brennaman “He got Teixeira, so give the young man credit, well done.”
He also gave up two homers and blew the 3-1 lead. Well done.
Everyone here who thinks Jeter shouldn’t have bunted given the situation and the way he’s played this year, please do us all a favor and never coach Little League. Thank you.
Geise should go deal with Veras
PETE!
You do know Jeter is Mr GIDP.
Better a bunt and one run than a GIDP and none.
Put the onus where it belongs…
on Abreu and ARod
“So we’re conceding this game?”
I don’t think we’re capable of hitting against their bullpen.
When was the last time that 80% of the yankees pitching staff was not made up of journey men?
Was it back to 2000 or before that. Since 2000 it has definitely been a team of journey men.
Can’t win WS with a core like that. Yanks are getting what they deserve for such poor roster building and maintenance.
Veras give 2 runs to earn the W
get to work bats. Crunch time
YAY!!! SHEILDS!!! GO GET ‘EM BOYS!!! (and girardi: would you PLEEEASE just bring out edwar?)
Bad teams find a wat to lose games, and the Yanks are certainly trying its best. Today our starter was great… Whats next.. uhmmm lets try bad situational hitting: Check. In order to loose the game we need to give up some runs… How to do that? Send in a reliever and let him throw balls down the middle: Check.
In the 8th inning we will sure se something that makes the Yankees loose… cause thats what they are good at
here comes sheilds and krod now.
Soooo proud of the yankees. It wouldn’t matter who we have pitching for us. Yankees can’t hit with RISP and can’t throw strikes. Don’t care how good someone’s numbers are and neither does October….Angels are in and yankees are out for the 1st time in 13 years.
So we’re conceding this game?
It’s called a learning experience…it may get us drunk all night..but that’s what is is ti it
I feel so bad for Giese.
Bunt was fine. 3 and 4 are supposed to drive them in. What does 20 mil. have to do with it?
if we get a run here…send MO for a 6 outs save
LOOK AT OUR PITCHERS #’s, ESP THE RELIEVERS. SINCE PUDGE HAS GOTTEN HERE
ATROCIOUS!!!
how can u call that?
that seemed a tad high.
Uh, guys, we haven’t lost the game yet.
We might, but we haven’t yet.
AND YOU DON’T HIT X!
Thom Brennaman is calling this game? Guess I’m not missing much. One reporter described him as a bad imitation of what an announcer should sound like.
Jeter has been bunting in situations like that since 96. Why are people surprised? Have you not watched Jeter his entire career. There is nothing wrong with what he did there. Perfect execution. Comical bringing up the 20 mil. I guess once a guy starts getting paid 10 plus mil he isn’t allowed to bunt anymore?? What a joke…..
Christan to pinch run right now??
Yankees mistake was not leaving giese in the rotation. i said it yestarday, he is a stopper and he seems to have everybody off their game when he pitches, even through the 2nd time in the order.
hit NADY? come on cano!
Pete,
How is it they could have scored 2 or 3 runs if Jeter didn’t bunt?
They are 10-46 w/RISP. How can you know Jeter was going to get a hit in that situation?
If it played out like it has most of the season in that situation, he would have hit into a GIDP.
They had first and third and one out, with Abreu and Arod at bat. You mean to tell me, that’s not a good situation?
A damn flyball by Abreu and they get a run. A hit by one or two of them and they open up the game.
Instead, they do what they have done all year. Fail with RISP.
They haven’t hit with RISP all year. when you have a team like that, you can’t play for big innings. They aren’t good enough.
Unfortunately, they also aren’t good enough situational hitters to play little ball. Its just a poor offensive team.
They score one way for most of the season. Solo home runs.
That’s why this team will be broken up in the off-season and the offense re-tooled.
A good offensive team has 5-7 runs today. The Yankees? They have their 3 for the day unless someone runs into something and hits a solo HR.
A very, very frustrating team to watch. They seem to make a habit snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
“that seemed a tad high.”
Makes up for “Ball 2″ which was a tad right down the middle
Tim, I’d tell you that Robbie’s not actually fast, but I have a feeling it’d go in one ear and out the other.
THANK YOU MCCARVER!
PUDGE IS OUR #2, MOLINA #1
WAKE UP GIARDI
OMG SOMEONE KILL MCCARVER!!!
that was a ROCKET up the middle that Lackey got his glove on and it went RIGHT to the 2nd baseman. HOW DID MCCARVER PLAY THIS GAME?? HE WAS A MAJOR LEAGUER?? AND A CATCHER NO LESS?
LOOK AT OUR PITCHERS #’s, ESP THE RELIEVERS. SINCE PUDGE HAS GOTTEN HERE
ATROCIOUS!!!
I know I mean Ponson went to attrocious, Giese horrific..I know I’m forgetting someone..uh uh I’ll get back to you on that.
McCarver, Cano really isn’t known for his speed, geesh.
god dammit, another 2-pitchs out for cano
ANYONE WHO DEFENDS JETER BUNTING NEEDS HELP
okay. i think everyone who grinds into a double play–from HERE ON OUT–should be forced to sit in a cabin with ian kennedy for a week in the off-season and listen to him talk about himself.
OH GOD BLESS EDWAR!
Cano dogging it to first base. Again, he is stealing money from this team.
Thats a good job finding a way to loose… GIDP will do it
Jeter is clutch. I don’t care how many GIDP’s he has, I want him at the plate w RISP before anyone else on this team besides X-man. Jeter has GOT to swing the bat.
Well one record the yankees can beat this year. Grounding out into double plays.
mccarver is just awful
“how could they get a double play there with cano running was he running hard?”
has he seen cano run?
“They are 10-46 w/RISP. How can you know Jeter was going to get a hit in that situation?”
Was the bunt for something other than the purposes of putting two runners in scoring position for the same 10 for 46 team??? With a lead and a pitcher on the ropes, I’d rather 3 AB’s with RISP than 2.
Odds Edwar gives of the long ball to Guerrero, Hunter, or Anderson?
Has that feeling right now, doesn’t it.
“Jeter is a GIDP machine. Can’t have him hit in that situation.”
Who ELSE would you want up there????
Who is more clutch in this lineup?
Ha!
When is Fox handing out the Award for worst team of all time?
GiDP + giving runs right back
Frustrating me to no end
and game.
And that’s the game.
Christ.
Told you… Game over. 4-3 Angels.
This is really unbelievable.
First Veras, now Edwar.
HAH I CALLED THAT ONE!! I KNEW THIS LITTLE BEANPOLE WOULD GIVE UP THE LEAD ON THE FIRST PITCH!!
That hung up there. Vlad hit it like it was off a tee.
Bullpen? We have a bullpen? What bullpen?
$200,000,000
Shame on Joe to let Veras pitch with no brain.
A-rod can’t hit when runners in scoring positions, and he is just so impotent.
Poor Dan.
Did that just happen?
their pitching is a joke. giese got screwed
cue the yankees suck. i really have to question joe g bullpen choices here. he left veras out there too long and giese not long enough
season over!!!!!!!!!!
the game is over, thanks veras
Girardi just making all the wrong calls today.
Phucking joke these last two innings have been.
Phucking joke.
Most teams win games like this.
Exactly… Well done Edwar. Did his job… finding a way to loose it for the Yankees.. Tough choice. Do you give Veras or Edwar the gameball??
i don’t have a problem with Jeter bunting either. He has not had great AB’s against Lackey today and Lackey had already enduced double digit ground balls. Jeter typically hits ground balls hard…right at people. the 19 GIDP aren’t made up, though i wish they were. No reason why your #3 and #4 hitter should not at the very least get in one run.
It’s a wasted inning, because they are not hitting with RISP
Where’s Nick from Sf.He’s future set-up men Veras and Edwar are finally showing there true colors.
We keep hearing the yankee getting younger but journeymen aren’t part of the youth movement.
Guess who comes out when the Yanks lose the lead???
SJ44!!
Come on down!
Now preach to everyone how to fix all the problems like you have a clue.
Remember to copy and paste Chad Jennings’ reports first, SJ.
WOW! The yankees are sooo good. I love how they just always find a way to loose. Angels are just way better than us, they been saying it for the past 10 years I guess it is true
we would be lucky to hit a ball of krod next inning. irdo cabrera and damon coming up/
PUDGE HAS GOT TO SIT
WAKE UP PEOPLE
YEAH THE PITCHERS PITCH BUT MOST OF OUR GUYS DONT SHAKE OFF EXCEPT THE VETS AND JOBA.
PUDGE IS LOST!
This team can’t get out of it’s own way. I’m already looking forward to 09.
“Cano dogging it to first base. Again, he is stealing money from this team.”
I thought he ran fine. Didn’t get out of the box very well though.
Still can win this game if they can keep it to 1 run…..KROD is about to implode!!!
“Who ELSE would you want up there????
Who is more clutch in this lineup?”
Abreu.
But he failed. It happens. It was the right play but the wrong outcome.
People complaining about Jeter bunting must have not watched too many games this season.
ok within 2 runs….
“HAH I CALLED THAT ONE!! I KNEW THIS LITTLE BEANPOLE WOULD GIVE UP THE LEAD ON THE FIRST PITCH!!”
Wow, you’re so cool. Can I be like you when I grow up?
no wait. game is now over. that was the final blow.
And, that’s why you bunt guys over the last inning. This team is a GIDP machine.
Girardi has no choice. I’m sure he would LOVE to play for big innings. Unfortunately, the current skillset of his team does not allow for it.
Its wonderful to look at past stats when talking baseball. Unfortunately, you have to deal with how guys are NOW when making decisions.
If anybody has watched this team hit all year, we know two things:
1. They don’t hit with RISP for very long stretches.
2. They are GIDP machines.
If you are Girardi the last inning, you have to eliminate possibility #2 to even have a shot at someone getting that fleeting RISP hit the Yankees get once in awhile.
As I type this, Vlad puts the game away.
Tale of two teams. One team going somewhere and the other going nowhere.
Its now been two weeks since this team won a series against somebody. Its why its not going to the playoffs.
They can’t beat teams. Plain and simple.
Hopefully, Pettitte and the Dead Bat Offense will avoid the sweep tomorrow.
GIRARDI HAS TO GO!
WHAT THE HELL IS THE SENSE IS GETTING MARTE IF YOU AREN’T EVEN GOING TO USE HIM??
Edwar just can pitch vs the Angels..he just can’t it’s like he goes into mental relapse when it’s that team.
Edwar is setting fire.
It’s a torture to watch it.
Edwar and Veras are great in the 5-7 innings.
The 8th is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
The season is over. Girardi should be fired. Cashman too.
The Farnsworth trade is what is killing the Yankees. Before the trade the Yanks had the best bullpen in baseball, along with the best 8th and 9th inning combo, and their SP was doing great. Now they are going to struggle every 7th and 8th inning and the starters have to get used to Pudge and vice versa. Not to mention Pudge almost killed Joba.
This team is a joke. Why would you bring Joba back to risk his arm for this team of jokers?
Ugh when will it end?
and the flood gates have opened.
time to focus on 2009. this team is garbage thanks to the pitching
What a waste of time it is to care about this team
edwar ramriez looks like he should be selling fruit out of the back of a van across from the cross bronx expressway. folks, enjoy the rest of the summer and forget about this spoiled millionaire underachieving joke of a team. a blind person can see they aint making the playoffs.
Um, we’ve actually got an insane record when leading after six innings. As in, this would be the second loss all season.
Thin maybe the bullpen’s been overworked?
They’re called outs, Edwar.
Bruney,Veras,Kennedy,Edwar and no one is getting DFA’d.
RISP ! . . . RISP . . . RISP . . . RISP . . . . . .
You can see by the way the yankees are playing that they believe the season is over. No question about it. Why even play the rest of the season. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Get off of Jeter bunting there….that was he is supposed to do….he’s a number 2 hitter…not a 3 or 4…this is basic baseball Pete….
Abreu gets a hit there, like he’s supposed to do, the game changes…
By the way, Jeter probably ground into a double play anyway…does anyone remember the last big hit Jeter got?
i have lost any respect for joe as manager. he has made so many bad choices
RISP and the bullpen will be responsible for this loss. What a shame after Giese did so well. They had Lackey on the ropes and they did not take care of business.
Kevin Millar had edwar ramirez pegged last week… he sucks and his stuff is weak.
i start to miss farnsworth
Even if the Red Sox lose tonight, this season is over.
Can’t win a game like tonight, with an opportunity to tack on and a chance to hold a lead for 3 innings, this team stands no chance of playing in October.
The season died the moment Wang hurt his foot.
We’ve all been in denial about it but there it is.
The pitching was never good enough.
I can’t watch this. It hurts too much
I don’t feel so good
Will do 27.
BTW, Mommy said she will be home shortly to give you your lithium and tuck you in.
Night night.
Well that was a good game all around.
In typical fashion, Yankees have blown a excellent pitching performance by Dan Giese.
Girardi has proven again that he cannot manage.
Team is still afraid of RISP.
Arod cannot handle pressure.
and all the “studs” the Yankees have, couldn’t serve as door men for susie waldman.
Freaking pathetic.
Game will end up 7-3. Angels will get 2 more runs.
sometimes i feel like i’m the only one watching these games. i have no confidence in edwar, his pitches are hr’s waiting to happen why doesn’t anyone in the dugout see that. veras in there is the fault of the manager, this loss is on joe. how many pitches did dan guise have? why was he taken out after one bad pitch to texiera?
Edwar settles it.. Hand him the gameball.. Very well done. Giving up 3 straight hits will do it.
The Cano error is the icing on the cake. Fantastic performance all around
I’m done with this. Always been a fan and will always be a fan…but watching this is torture to the soul….so i need to just reduce myself to looking at boxscores and not watching games…makes me too mad
Well, if $20 million means you can’t bunt, then the Yankees better start trimming payroll so they can play situational baseball when they have to — like say in the seventh inning of a close game against a good team with runners on first and second, one out, and the the top two RBI guys on the team coming to the plate.
Sorry, make that “none out”.
Edwar’s change is waaay up this afternoon. He’s good more often than not, but when he’s bad, he truly awful.
There is ZERO chance that Joba pitches this year.
One word…
Unbelievable.
can we dfa the entire team? lol. the yanks should seriously consider having some prospects come up, and take the jobs away from the veterans.
At least they saved Giese’s confidence. Who cares if we blew the game as long as he is feeling good for his next start.
“Bruney,Veras,Kennedy,Edwar and no one is getting DFA’d.”
Yeah, we should DFA the entire bullpen and let Mariano pitch 3 innings everyday!
Now the Jeter bunt decision looks FOOLISH.
Playing for 1 run with this pitching???
Wow.
closed door meeting? lol.
All you can do is laugh.
Red Sox players are in their locker room watching this and laughing.
Laughing all the way to the postseason.
What now? Gave Angels a 4-run lead to rob K-ROD’s SVO?
with how bad the bullpen has been in its recent outings, does that push the yankees to call up melancon pretty soon?
It’s Girardi’s fault his team can’t hit or pitch. I got it.
I hope K-Rod does something histrionic after his safe to run the yanks nose in it. just like a bad dog that pisses the carpet. this team is a bad dog pissing the carpet
Every time the Yankees play the Angels on FOX with the FOX score bar header it looks like a playoff game. And they usually end the same way too…
Thanks, Edwar for now giving us an afternoon of SJ44 posts about how much the Yanks suck.
edwar go bye-bye
Missed most of Giese in favor of yardwork and a nap. Numbers suggest he was superb. Saw the graphic on getting strike one. Well done.
Now he is taken out?
Girardi has to be absolutely out of his mind to pitch Ramirez in the 8th inning of a game that you are trying to win. Everyone knows that Ramirez was lucky at the start of the season to be pitching as good as he was..he is garbage. Ramirez is not a major league pitcher and I think his fastball is straighter then Farnsworth’s. if that is even possible. Girardi is a HORRIBLE manager.
Shouldn’t TORRE maybe change the 3/4 combo of Abreu & A-Rod by now? It’s been two years of the same lineup you know Joe? Our cleanup hitter is hitting .230 RISP for the season. How many more games will Joe throw away before he is deservedly fired for being a brain-dead clone of another Joe???
good job to ramirez 4 runs, ZERO IP
“The Yankees did trade for Damaso Marte, right? ”
Pete, if you were coaching right now, would the Yankees be winning?
What the &%$@! Are you kidding me? Somebody dial 911, this team is dead……flatlined……….
Ivan Rodriguez is KILLING our bullpen.. why don’t they take him out when we have a lead for Jose Molina because it’s obvious he knows how to call a game 100 times better than Rodriguez does
Why rush Melancon when the season is over?
my advice to you trisha… is to start drinking heavily!!!
**** ” What a waste of time it is to care about this team ”
Amen.
i hope the yanks bring giese back next year
Giants Redskins only a few weeks away as September in the Bronx will be pretty devastating
Season is officially over. This team absolutely stinks, I can not remember a year when the yanks either won convincingly, or got completely dismantled in a loss. I absolutely hate this team this year.
“Girardi has to be absolutely out of his mind to pitch Ramirez in the 8th inning of a game that you are trying to win. Everyone knows that Ramirez was lucky at the start of the season to be pitching as good as he was..he is garbage. Ramirez is not a major league pitcher and I think his fastball is straighter then Farnsworth’s. if that is even possible. Girardi is a HORRIBLE manager.”
Oh look everybody, the Village Idiot arrived.
All season long has been like this. I don’t know why all of you are just now realizing this team is in trouble. We had a 6 game and 8 game winning streak. All else has been around .500 ball. We don’t hit with RISP, if we get a good performance from the starter, our bullpen struggles. When our starter gets shelled, our bullpen pitches well. We are a consistently inconsistent team, and we will continue to be until we change personnel for 2009. We have had a ton of injuries, and players have underperformed either throughout the year, or with RISP. All will o.k. in 2009, but this team right here and now, is done. I’m willing to miss the playoffs this year, as long as our front office does the right thing this offseason. Stick with the youth, at least then we have an excuse for playing poorly. These “veterans” are toast!
Go Yanks~!
“Shouldn’t TORRE maybe change the 3/4 combo of Abreu & A-Rod by now? It’s been two years of the same lineup you know Joe? ”
I’m not sure he has that kind of pull around here any more – being the Dodgers’ manager and all.
Oh, and the Giants won the Superbowl in case you missed it.
Yanks will get a win tomorrow and then take of 2 of 3 in Minn before KC comes to town. Relax people-the season is not over and Joba will be back as will Hughes and Pavano will take the hill and give the team something…..
I feel like a beaten spouse who just keeps coming back for more.
Ok, so giving up 2 runs does not get you pulled even when you are getting the crap beaten out of you. But 4 runs and a game completely out of reach is the ticket.
good move by former manager of the year and brightest managerial mind in baseball. Joseph “I am an intelligent Engineer from Northwestern” Girardi.
so how is the US doing in the Olympics. Basketball team is going to fall flat on its face.
“Where’s Nick from Sf.He’s future set-up men Veras and Edwar are finally showing there true colors.”
MoBoy, I don’t ask for you to agree with anything I say. All I ask is that you not misrepresent what I’ve said. That means: please don’t lie!
i hope texeria hits another homerun. atleast my fantsay team can win today.
You can’t even say bring up the kids and play for next year because there is only one young player worth a darn. Joba.
Cano has a .300 OBP
Melky can’t hit.
IPK?
The pen pours gas on the fire.
Hughes is perpetually hurt.
Is Ramirez going to cry at his locker again? What a disaster he is…When he is bad he is 5 runs horrible..
Can Fox put an end to these prostate commercials?
joe girardi’s management of his bullpen is truly perplexing.
Why bother taking Ramirez out? THe game is over. Let him pitch until he gets the remaining 6 outs. Don’t burn the bullpen.
Someone Else :
Chris Britton had one bad outing and gets DFA’s.Edwar gives up a grandslam but we still throw him out there.
They are journeymen.You keep them and then get rid of them.They don’t get better they get worse.
Wow what happened to the Yankees bullpen. It was really good but of late its exploded. Ramirez, Marte, Bruney, Veras, Robertson, Rivera have all had terrible innings in the past few weeks. Several of those games were lost due to poor pitching out of the bullpen.
TKinDC
Wasn’t aware of that. Is Clinton staying out of trouble these days?
Read the whole post pal, or can you not understand sarcasm?
Bruney failed yesterday…Veras and Ramirez failed today…we’ve seen Marte fail big time already…
We’re getting surprisingly good starts from people like Giese, Ponson, etc…
And now our bullpen is letting us down…
I don’t ever remember a game quite like this when Joba was in the pen…
What a mess, I’m sorry the Olympics ended and I tuned into this. At least our swimmers train properly, execute and play to their capability. Of course they aren’t fat heads being paid millions every year. We are not just a player or two from being able to compete again.
David Robertson??
I hope the New York Press chews this team out form another depressing performance.
“Oh look everybody, the Village Idiot arrived.”
You are already here.
Girardi is a terrible manager. He has all this talent and he’ll be lucky to win 84 games.
I know this is late but how do you blame the wasted 7th inning on Jeter bunting? That’s a smart baseball play. You put two runners in scoring position for your 3 and 4 hitters. It’s up to them to get the runs in. Abreu has to hit a fly ball in that situation. A-Rod needs to get a big hit sometime this year. Jeter did his job, Abreu and A-Rod didn’t.
I understand the season is not over, but this just nonsense. Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb managing, pitching etc. You can’t say oh well the Angels are just a good team, because were a good team too. Freaking bullpen sucks.
normally i’m against Jeter bunting, but with men on first/second, 0 outs, Lackey the opposing pitcher – that’s reasonable.
This team is miserable, totally hopeless.
Yankees idiots.
The Yankees no longer control their own destiny. With 45 games left they are 8 in the loss column from TB and 4 from BOS. Not to mention 3 from MIN as well. They can’t just go out and win games now. They need other teams to lose. Not a position you want to be in on August 9th.
we still cannot get an out. maybe arod can pitch>
“Ivan Rodriguez is KILLING our bullpen.. why don’t they take him out when we have a lead for Jose Molina because it’s obvious he knows how to call a game 100 times better than Rodriguez does”
THANK YOU…SOMEONE WHO GETS IT
AND WHEN WILL THE YANKS STAND UP TO THIS ANGELS TEAM AND KNOCK THEM DOWN ONCE IN WHILE AND SHOW SOME SPIRIT THAT THEY ARE SICK OF BEING BEATEN BY THIS TEAM?
ROFLMAO!!!!! on the official team website is an article titled “Ramirez, Veras stepping up for Yanks” ROFLMAO!!!!!!
This is going to get ugly. Fast.
I am glad the Yanks show up to face the Angels and look like a little league team…
From the sound of the ‘fans’ here, the Yankees are the Seattle Mariners, lol.
did the annoiucer just say the yanks can come back. LOL
well 2008 was the year $200 million bought you a AAA ball club.
damn baseball is an expensive sport.
DONNYBBALL
The seasopn went down the tubes when they yanked Molina from his starting role and pulled a huge domino from the bullpen, all so we could get a catcher who knows nothing about our staff for the stretch run. Great move by Cash. He robs Peter to pay Paul when Paul doesn’t even need his $. Absolutely stabbed the Yankees season getting Pudge.
Man Pudge has really regressed defensively, its sad to watch IMO. Has he thrown anyone out yet as a Yankee?
this is getting ugly
Aren’t all these prospects really terrific???
Kennedy, Robertson, Cabrera, Cano, Duncan, etc
Wow!
Cashman did well not getting a starter last winter, huh?
I hope Izturis walks and Vlad goes deep just to make it ridiculous
Standard bearers like Tino, Bernie, and Paulie must be shaking their heads in wonderment and saying, “We would never allow all these stranded runners”.
Angels have 6 runs, no outs and no one hitting over .300. kendrick doesn’t count because he has missed many games.
Yankees have almost double their payroll, no pitching, no hitting, no manager….
interesting formula.
The Pudge trade has been awful. They shopuld of just left Farns. in the bullpen to pitch the 6th or 7th innings. Pudge hasnt really hit, his defense has been bad, he hasn’t thrown runners out. The worse part is he doesnt know the pitchers and is calling really bad pitches.
Pete, you’re completely wrong about the bunt. It was the right move, Abreu and A-Rod’s failures were the problem. Jeter has bounced into a million double plays this season.
First move shopuld be to fire Girardi for penciling in a guy with a 400 obp and 230 RISP in the cleanup spot the entire season. It is absolutely inexcusable for the Yankees to be so slow to react to obvious information.
“Cashman did well not getting a starter last winter, huh?”
The way this year is going? Johan would have been abducted by martians.
“UPDATE, 6:16 p.m.: This is some terrible relief pitching. But Ramirez is what he is. Good hitters will sit on his stuff and hammer it. He’s a 6th inning guy, not a tie-game-in-the-eighth-inning guy.”
There must be a lot of crappy hitters out there, given he’s sucked all of, what, 3 times this year?
Relief pitchers are not consistent, on the whole. The ones that are get paid $10-15M.
Joe Girardi is the worst manager in baseball!!!!!! You are telling me that Marte and Mo cant get 9 outs when they havent pitched alot lately. This is a joke, time to make some changes, the whole coaching staff is a joke except for Pena. All they do is look in those folders all game long which has done crap for us. Hank and Hal make a statement and fire the whole staff (keep pena) and go into the new stadium who can manage a team. Like Buck Showalter. BRING BACK BUCK BRING BACK BUCK BRING BACK BUCK
Over/Under next time Mariano pitches: August 25th
8 straight reach to start the inning unreal
“The seasopn went down the tubes when they yanked Molina from his starting role and pulled a huge domino from the bullpen, all so we could get a catcher who knows nothing about our staff for the stretch run. Great move by Cash. He robs Peter to pay Paul when Paul doesn’t even need his $. Absolutely stabbed the Yankees season getting Pudge.”
ECHO IN HERE??? ; )
AMAZING THAT PEOPLE DONT SEE IT
Just one game people. Chill out
whats the record for most consecutive hits?
This team should just forfeit this game. The wheels have completely fallen off and they should be embarrassed of themselves. No reason to give up a lead this way when you are playing the best team in baseball.
This is pathetic and I fear the worst for this team. None of them want to even be playing right now. They have already given up and are not even trying anymore.
I’m glad the Angels aren’t in the AL east. They own the Yankees.
“From the sound of the ‘fans’ here, the Yankees are the Seattle Mariners, lol.”
We are playing like them.
The reason why the Angels played good is because even with Lackey hurt and Escobor out for the season there young starters steped up.
Look at Ervin Santana.He was demoted to AAAA and lost over 10 games last year but came back to be a great pitcher this year.
As for the Big three…….
Whoa! Stop the presses! We just got an out!
the first out . finally
Somewhere LaTroy Hawkins is laughing. Whose going to mop up now?
Dan one game??? what the hell uve been watching for the last week or so??
As much as the bullpen is dreadful today, the greater culpability lies with offense. The bullpen has performed well for a while now. But the offense as a group has failed at situational hitting all season. All season. They certainly can’t complain about what’s happening now. And they can’t blame it on Lackey being unhittable or “making pitches when he had to.” At least Giese did his job. Too bad his teammates didn’t.
“Standard bearers like Tino, Bernie, and Paulie must be shaking their heads in wonderment and saying, “We would never allow all these stranded runnersâ€.”
They wouldn’t?
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxe.....NA1998.htm
nud … my advice to you is to find an exhaust pipe to suck on!!!
Endless torture.
The people saying Jeter should bunt are really wrong now.
When we needed 15 runs to win today.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
There’s no one you can trust coming out of the pen except Joba and Mo…
That’s now 12 H, 4 BB in 4.1 IP against the Angels (the team who drafted him) in Edwar’s young career.
Incredible.
Let’s remind ourselves this is the best team in baseball we’re playing, and that the Yankees aren’t done yet in the wild card race. But the team’s maybe the most inconsistent it’s been in 10 years. If they made the wild card they could swiftly get the $*#! kicked out of them.
Did I imagine that or did Dynansty is Destiny just make one of his patented subtle Joba-should-be-in-the-bullpen references?
That didn’t actually happen, right?
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxe.....NA1998.htm
YANKEES 1ST: Knoblauch struck out; Jeter singled to right; Jeter
stole second; O’Neill walked; Williams flied into a double play
(center to shortstop to second) [Jeter out at second]; 0 R, 1 H,
0 E, 1 LOB. Yankees 0, Angels 0.
YANKEES 3RD: Knoblauch singled to left; Jeter struck out;
O’Neill hit into a double play (second to first) [Knoblauch out
at second]; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Yankees 0, Angels 0.
Man, Bernie Williams and O’Neill really sucked. I’m surprised they weren’t DFAed.
See you in 2009 this travesty of a team is not making the playoffs.
Hank is sitting at home right now. He is mad. He is fuming. He is as mad as I am a Yankee fan. This bullpen sucks. This payroll is not doing what it should do. Dave Eiland work it out. Now.
Hey we’re only 2 grand slams away from tying this thing up!
Garrett Anderson has been hit ONCE in 10 YEARS. Robertson should hit him right here.
“That didn’t actually happen, right?”
Listening to McCarver makes people lose IQ points – it is a scientifically proven fact.
start printing up those playoff tickets…. not.
Why is Bosotn better than us?
Lester and Bucholz
Why is Tampa better?
Sonnastine and Jackson
Why is LA better?
Saunders and Santana
Why we stink?
Hughes and Kennedy
Ah, Peter back to his Edwar bashing. “Sit on his stuff”. Sure sounds easy. I’ll just sit on Joba’s slider, or Mariano’s cutter, and in no time I’ll be a great hitter!
It’s not like pitchers ever have bad games. It’s not like Edwar’s still a rookie.
He is what he is. He’s a pitcher with a very good potential to be an excellent reliever.
Going forward does anyone have any faith at all in this pen?
Where is Melancon already?
well atleast we wont face krod now.
“Hey we’re only 2 grand slams away from tying this thing up!”
We can go for the 2-point conversion – Its a one possession game.
CRAP
Nick–subtle?
Who pitches tomorrow?
Yankees should have a closed meeting today!!! and Keep Girardi and his horrible staff out of it…
Girardi should send Rasner, Mariano, and the freakin bat boy up there to bat in the 9th. I love the Yankees but they are absolutely disgraceful this season.
TKinDC…to hit a Grand slam runners have to be in scoring position…..we can’t hit with RISP remember…
The thing is, if the Yanks win the Wild Card, we can say good-bye in the first round because we would end up vs. the Angels most likely.
pretty clever of the Yankees to keep K-Rod out of the game.
“Hank is sitting at home right now. He is mad. He is fuming. He is as mad as I am a Yankee fan. This bullpen sucks. This payroll is not doing what it should do. Dave Eiland work it out. Now.”
Hank? Yeah right.
Hank barely knows anything about baseball.
bphill, and we need two! grand slams. One would take a miracle.
“We can go for the 2-point conversion – Its a one possession game.”
lol post of the day right there.
Truth is we have 6 more with boston and if we handle them and find a way to not give up 2 touchdowns a game we can maybe sneak our way into the show. Doesn’t look like it now but there’s still a glimmer of playoff hope.
“We can go for the 2-point conversion – Its a one possession game.”
lol post of the day right there.
Truth is we have 6 more with boston and if we handle them and find a way to not give up 2 touchdowns a game we can maybe sneak our way into the show. Doesn’t look like it now but there’s still a glimmer of playoff hope.
Does anyone out there have someting inspirational that will get me out of this horrible mood right now? Seeing an 8 spot is really pissing me off.
George,
I think we have a better chance now than we did if the score was 4-3
I think we got to keep K-Rod fresh for tomorrow.
Who sees 2009 being any better?
Kennedy stinks. Hughes is always hurt. Tex isn’t signing here. Sabathia is a West Coast guy.
where is trisha ? the eternal optimist always seems to duck out when our yanks are getting spanked! DFA trisha!
Maybe the yankees are like Arod….in that we can hit with RISP when it doesn’t matter?
way to swing the bats guy. where was that a few innings ago?
Jeter, that stat padder.
Buchholz has been terrible this year. Maybe you should mention JD Drew or Youkilis or Pedroia as more important factors to Boston’s success.
“UPDATE, 6:27 p.m.: I wonder if Veras and Ramirez will feel OK about how they pitched? Why not? Girardi wasn’t upset with Ian Kennedy.
“Some guys understand how to handle the media a little better than others,†the manager said. “It’s important that we know his heart, not necessarily that everyone (else) does.â€
Well that’s nice.”
Youre critiques of Girardi continue to be petty small time media gripes.
Hey, a three-hit game for Melky.
“Who sees 2009 being any better?
Kennedy stinks. Hughes is always hurt. Tex isn’t signing here. Sabathia is a West Coast guy.”
And Wang, Joba, Posada, Matsui will get hurt again, right?
Well. Giese was good!
“And Wang, Joba, Posada, Matsui will get hurt again, right?”
Don’t forget A-Rod moving to the Kibbutz.
I guess the Angels didn’t get that message we sent them last week.
If Jeter and Damon go to this party tonight happy….I will fly to Cali. and speak my mind.
Instead of The Yankees influencing Arod he is influencing the Yankees with his crappy choking with RISP and stat paddling. Watch out Nady your next to get the Arod disease.
Skippy, you’re right, ‘subtle’ wasn’t the right word. I was going to use ‘veiled reference’ but I couldn’t remember how to spell it.
Moral: Joba is a starter.
This game is embarrasing!!! The Yankees are embarrasing. There seems to be a group pf players who are clueless. They have no idea what it means to be a Yankeee. If Kennedy had been playing for the CWSm Guillen would have killed him after his comments . Girardi is toopolite.
wow… what a disgrace of a team…
This was just a joke.
giese pitched well. the yanks should apologize to him.
GO TB!
GO BOSTON!
GO MINNESOTA!
Just bury this team once and for all. I’m sick of them and can’t stomach watching one more of these God awful games this season.
I don’t know why anyone is confident in Ramirez, the guy throws BP speed pitches. Time to send Veras, Ramirez down and bring up Melancon, and another young talent to give them a chance. Can’t be any worse.
today … is a day that something happened that i never witnessed before in my life .. ever since i was 7 years old (im 23 now)ive been a die hard yankee fan. attended my 1st yankee game the day before abbott threw his no hitter and i NEVER EVER I MEANNNN EVER seen the yankees get laughed at by the other team in the dugout
“GO TB!
GO BOSTON!
GO MINNESOTA!
Just bury this team once and for all. I’m sick of them and can’t stomach watching one more of these God awful games this season.”
Wow, we got the #1 Yankee Fan right here, everyone!
postgame on yes?
great comment by Girardi about the unimportance of Ian Kennedy’s media skills.
I’m glad Kennedy’s the announced starter for Wed., and i hope they stick to it.
Atleast the NY Giants are in 1st place right now.(Something to look foreward to).
We need to trade Jeter and ARod.
Wow V great idea?? ru kidding me if your gonna make that statement back it up and tell us what your getting for them??
This baseball team is falling apart right before our eyes. They are going to have to make a lot of changes for next year before they can even be mentioned in the same breath as the Angels.
IMO the Yankees are afraid of the Angels, you can see it in their faces. Oh, and one other thing. If I’m the manager of the Yankees and Scioscia has another guy steal in the 8th inning with a 5 run lead and no outs, I have my pitcher throw at the next guy, and the next. Then when the teams come out on the field, I head straight for Scioscia and flatten him. The suspension would be worth it! No way to I let an opposing manager punk me and my players like that and get away with it.
The Yankees need to start the rebuilding process after this season. I want to see Yankee players out there – fighters, not these sissies we’ve seen this year. This team is pathetic!!
“I don’t know why anyone is confident in Ramirez, the guy throws BP speed pitches. Time to send Veras, Ramirez down and bring up Melancon, and another young talent to give them a chance. Can’t be any worse.”
That’s a pretty dumb comment to make.
Since June 27th the only team Ramirez has given up runs against are the Angels. In July, he gave up no runs and no hits in 11.1 innings.
Veras hasn’t given up a run since July 19th and 4 since June 5th.
You still want to send them both down?
We know this team not making the playoffs is a foregone conclusion. Why don’t they bring up some of the young guys and give them a chance to play? Even though I know this team is not going to make the playoffs, I would still enjoy watching the kids play.
If u can’t get mad about this u shouldn’t be posting here. That goes for the handle Someone Else.
What can be expected this year? This team is a joke.
heres a good thing ahead. we play minnesota for 3 games. ( we crushed them) and kansas city. we need to go 6-0 in those games. not 5-1 or 4-2.
“If u can’t get mad about this u shouldn’t be posting here. That goes for the handle Someone Else.”
Oh, I’m sorry, I’m not a ‘real fan’ because I’m not a total idiot.
Chone Figgins better get one in the a$$ first pitch of the game, tomorrow, for that bush league SB.
Pepitone: as a Yankee fan I just don’t get it. I see nothing wrong with a steal in the 8th with a five run lead. If the Yankees agreed not to score any more runs than I won’t steal. Untill they do that I steal
This team has no fight in it. Most of these players don’t know how to win like Brosius, O’Neil, Martinez, Knoblauch, Cone, Wells, etc. did. They’re going to get their butts handed to them in Minnesota. Minnesota’s hungry; the Yanks are not. This team has more holes than a salt shaker.
you know…I’m really not that upset about today’s game. I mean, we competed early on in the game and if rain had come in the 6th or we played little league style we would have won. we haven’t really had alot of bad games here lately, so, i’ve kind of already moved on….
huby, that was a funny comment.
bring halladay, sabathia, teixeira and place hughes and kennedy as relievers next year
further thread….I mean, we gave up 4 HR’s and an 8-spot in the eighth, but, I’ve already moved on
I cant get too outraged by this game I have come to expect it from this team. I can look at the positives ie Giese but cant take much else from the game other than it is pretty much what we have been doing for the whole year. Just have to hope that he Rays and Bo SOx both lose .
Question for those state-heads out there can someone tell me what Edwar’s ERZA is against the Angels versus what it is against the rest of the games. It seems he alays melts against the Angels.
Has anyone read “The Last Night of the Yankees’ Dynasty” by Buster Olney? It’s a great read! This team hasn’t been the same since they lost in the ’01 World Series, and they’ve really had some issues since they blew a 3-0 lead in the ’04 championship series to the stinkin’ Red Sox. Do any of you wonder if Girardi is to blame? How about that new hitting coach? The offense did a lot better under Mattingly last year.
This is not about the team, it is about mismanaging a team.
Let’s review the wrong decisions Girardi made during the game (leaving the line-up aside, which was at least questionable):
- Girardi pulled Giese out of the game because he gave up one (!) homerun.
- Girardi let Jeter bunt in a big race situation which was just wrong. I totally agree with Pete here.
- Girardi put Ramirez in an 8th-inning tie game after he struggled so bad against the Angels last week.
- Girardi did not pull Ramirez after he gave up the first hit (Homerun) – Ramirez is almost always getting worse after someone reached safely or hit against him.
Wow, that’s just too much. Don’t always talk about the team. I hope, believe and I am convinced that they try their best, everybody including Ramirez, Veras, A-Rod and whoever did not deliver tonight.
Girardi is there to keep things together. He again did not get the job done. Let’s get a veteran manager to do this.
ERASE AND REWIND MY FRIEND’S I THINK CASHMAN HAS A LOT TO DO IN THE OFFSEASON. IT’S TIME TO REBOUND, BUT NOT ESPECULATING WITH YOUNG PLAYERS, YOU NEED TO PLACE HUGHES AND KENNEDY AS RELIEVERS, AS THE TWINS MADE WITH SANTANA, NOT THROWING THEM TO THE FIRE, I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO BE DEVELOPED SLOWLY.
Tom i agree 100%% Showalter is the guy that can manage this team
YEAH BRING BACK BUCK!!!!! GOOD IDEA!!!
Time to start the “27 in 09″ chants, this season is over. Yanks are pure crap.
“This team hasn’t been the same since they lost in the ‘01 World Series”
Well, this team doesn’t have a Williams or O’Neil anymore.
GUYS THE BOTTOMLINE HERE IS THE 4 5 6 hitters do NOT HIT WITH RISP… BOTTOMLINE… END OF STORY … THANK YOU AND GOODNIGHT
Bring in Tino to be the hitting coach, or bench coach. Move Pena to Bench coach or keep him on the staff. Ricky Henderson as 3rd base coach maybe?? Give Showalter the keys to everything. Bring Cone down to be the pitching coach and Let Paul come down and help out. Get some winners on are staff and some guys that work hard
Let’s see… Yankee pitchers have allowed 21 runs and a .390 batting average in 2 games and it’s the manager’s fault?! Wow.
Taking Giese out when he did was exactly the right move. The Yankees had lost only ONE game this season when leading after 7. All they needed was Veras to do what he’s been doing all year. Unfortunately, Veras did not do the job.
Exactly how was the manager supposed to know that Edwar Ramirez would have the worst outing of his career?
I feel bad for Dan. The pen and his offense let him down.
He will most definitely get another start. I hope Ian paid close attention to what Dan did out there today.
You can get a nice prospect package for ARod. You can shed Jeters salary and bring in a better SS.
Its not about Edwar having a bad outing. Why is he in there? We got Marte for a reason. It was set-up perfect for Marte to face Anderson in the 7th and still stay in. Girardi doesnt know how to manage without looking in that book all game long.
V? thats not names and or teams. Anyone can say prospects and shed Jeters $$$. Money is no issue and Jeter only has 2 years left.
I love the fans blaming Girardi for this mess. It’s not his fault that Jeter is having a bad year, that Cano has stunk, that not one player on offense is going to hit his usual offensive numbers. I’m pretty sure he’s not to blame for the injuries, but get back to me later on that. Sheesh. He’s got his ace out of action, his youthful stud on the shelf and a bullpen that has imploded. No one could win with this team as they are playing now. Buck Showalter? LOL.
I don’t blame Cash either because, again, how can you predict a rash of injuries AND none of your stars having good years.
I don’t know how they are going to change this lineup next year. Alex is tremendous, I don’t worry about him, but what about Jeter? He seems to be on the decline. Damon is incredibly gritty, but he’s old. Cano is too good a hitter to have another year like this, but who knows with him? How about we pay him just for 1/2 a year, since he doesn’t bother to hit until the All Star Break. The problem is, the Yankees are very lacking in minor league positional players, at least that are nearly MLB ready. Anyway, I wouldn’t want to depend on rookies anyway.
I hope David Robertson is not getting too down on himself; I’m sure he’s going to be fine. He just has to readjust to the hitters adjusting to him. The way the bullpen has fallen apart is depressing. Marte is not very good, or he hasn’t been thus far, and Veras is coming up small.
I have already made the point more than once that the Yankees should in no way rush Phil just to try and squeeze a few victories out of him. His future comes first – let hm spend as much time as he needs in AAA. If he’s ready for NY, great. If not, then wait until next year. I don’t want this very talented, special kid’s confidence shot to pieces.
every think that maybe he wanted to stay away from Marte to avoid over use.
Suzy said that Joe got really ticked at a LA reporter who asked how does it feel watching the lead slip away. He flipped out!!
>>>Ivan Rodriguez is KILLING our bullpen.. why don’t they take him out when we have a lead for Jose Molina because it’s obvious he knows how to call a game 100 times better than Rodriguez does
this was the big knock on Pudge in Detroit. That Inge was much better dealing with the bullpen. They all seemed to surmise that Pudge just got tired by the end of the game. Whatever the reason he has been just terrible calling games in the late innings so far.
no postgame coverage anywhere wtf
The same people killing Girardi today for taking out Giese too soon are the same ones who killed him yesterday for keeping in Rasner too long.
The same ones complaining about putting in Edwar in a tie game in the 8th today are the same ones who are complaining about putting in Bruney yesterday.
Girardi did nothing wrong in either game. The bullpen has fallen off the deep end, every one of them. Two weeks ago, Joe would be praised for these moves that he is being killed for today.
BETSY I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT AFTER ALL!!
This team is mostly a mirror of Alex Rodriquez. Too much centers around his at bats and the daily grit and grind has not been with this team since 2004.
It was on the radio.
What part of a pitch count on Dan don’t people understand? Dan hasn’t started in over a month! You couldn’t ask for or expect him to do anymore than he did. Do you want his arm to fall off?
what the hell happened to the bullpen today?? I go away with a 2-1 lead and comeback to an 11-4 romp by the angels. WTF?!??!
“the yanks should seriously consider having some prospects come up, and take the jobs away from the veterans.”
I’ve been saying that since before the All-Star game. We obviously have a number of stiffs in our lineup right now. What would it hurt to start bringing up the kids, even if they stink it’s worth giving them a look for next year. I want to know what we have for the future. The present is land of the lost.
The one guy that has been a constant source of frustration to me, and, I would surmise, the team, is Alex Rodriguez. I prayed they wouldn’t resign him, but they did and we are stuck with him for the next 9 years. The only way I see out of this is to surround him with players that can make up for his weaknesses. They can’t trade him or Jeter. That’s the only way I can see them having success with those two in the future. Players that can cover for them.
You never see any i mean any of the players with Girardi during the games laughing or talking with him @all. He’s the wrong man for this job. He staff is not very good @ all.
Coach Jay23(Bring back BUCK)
Marte has only been effective as a situational pitcher. The one time Girardi stretched him for more, Marte allowed 4 hits and 3 runs in an iniing and a third. If Girardi repeated that mistake, I’m sure you would have beaten him up for that too.
Girardi is playing the hand he’s been dealt. If the players dont perform, it’s on them.
Edwar is far from the next Mendoza. It’s funny, Farnsworth is gone and now the pen is blowing up. These guys are being asked to step up, and so far have produced squat.
Yeah, isn’t Arod the weakest hitting superstar you’ve ever seen? It’s almost like he gets his numbers with mirrors. Mattingly’s numbers used to pale in comparison but it seemed like every hit he every got meant something.
ONE time u just said it ONE time. Thats a reason not to use him?? ru kidding me. It was set up perfect with Anderson in the 7th sorry ur not gonna change my mind, it was there Girardi messed up.
“UPDATE, 6:27 p.m.: I wonder if Veras and Ramirez will feel OK about how they pitched? Why not? Girardi wasn’t upset with Ian Kennedy.
“Some guys understand how to handle the media a little better than others,†the manager said. “It’s important that we know his heart, not necessarily that everyone (else) does.â€
Well that’s nice.â€
‘Youre critiques of Girardi continue to be petty small time media gripes.’
Fred – thanks for posting your thoughts on this.. I thought I was alone.. I wish Pete would cut down on complaining about Girardi’s communication skills. All that stuff (locker room talk) is just noise.
Our big guns aren’t clutch (what else is freaking new?), Edwar, and Veras collapse (awwww feels like home), and the Angels kick our a$$ again (just once I want to win a big series from them), and the worst of all a “rookie” finally steps up to the plate and we throw it in the trash.
That’s it, where’s Michael Phelps, I need to watch something positive tonight!
Its not stretching him out he didnt pitch today, so the 7th wouldve been his first inning.
There will be as much as a 50% turnover in player personnel before the first pitch is thrown at the new Yankee Stadium.
Alex Rodriguez couldn’t make a pimple on Don Mattingly’s ass.
He should have never left Texas. He simply cannot handle the pressures of New York.
And I will be willing to lay down odds that neither can Brett Favre.
SJ has been right all season. We aren’t good and the season is over.
Most teams would take Jeter in a salary dump. We can get some real nice prospects for ARod. Dodgers. Angels. Tigers. A lot of teams.
The whole pen went downhill after Rivera came in and lost a tie game last week. Overuse, hitters adjusted to them, who cares.
The amazing thing is we’re in the race, how I don’t know. With our remaining schedule there is only one series I see that we can definitely win, and that’s a 3 game series against the Mariners over Labor Day.
I don’t want to see any of our FA’s back. I don’t care that Abreu hits .295 with RISP- he doesn’t do it when it counts 0 for 5 today!
Mussina has been great, but since he’s not a knuckleball pitcher, I see him starting to fade.
Blaming the bullpen on I-Rod is ridiculous. He’s the one FA I’d like resigned for a year as insurance to Posada not being able to throw, playing at the catching position.
Giambi 23.5M gone. Abreu 16M gone. Pettitte 16M gone.
Mussina 11M gone. Pavano 12+M gone. Farnsworth and his 5.5M already gone. Marte 6M club option gone, unless we can work out a 2 year reasonable deal. Trade Matsui and his aging body and 13M contract. Let’s see that’s 103M and change. Even consider trading Cano’s bloated contract if a Chad Billigsly type pitcher could be had. We can always find a 2nd baseman. Orlando Hudson is a FA. Goodbye Melky-you would only be needed as a defensive replacement.
Showcase your pitchers and pray that they pitch well enough to be included in trades for good young athletic position players.
This loss today tops them all so far in my short memory!!
What can make anybody believe that A-Rod at the age of 33 will suddenly for the first time in his career become a clutch hitter and give himself up for at bats to advance a runner or do less swinging with the home run in mind ?
If the truth be known, the Steinbrenners basically got him to put a$$es in seats and crossed their fingers that rings would follow.
I like how Kennedy handled the media. It’s true that a few of the hits were just part of variance, and he could do nothing about it. I’m positive that veterans such as Pettitte, Mussina, etc. have given answers just like Kennedy, yet because he is the kid who hasn’t proved anything at the big league level, his replies are viewed as arrogance instead of realistic. Give the kid some time. Sure, it may be getting late this year, but moving Kennedy in the right direction, and not damaging his confidence is just as important as anything right now. He could be a huge part of this team for a decade to come – his track record has shown that he has as as good a chance (if not better) than anyone in the Yankees system of becoming a solid major league pitcher. A few answers that reporters (lol) don’t want to hear shouldn’t change his path.
I’m sorry to say that and no offense but…
BRUNEY SUCKS AND NEEDS TO GO DOWN
KENNEDY SUCKS AND HE’S AN IDIOT
VERAS SUCKED TODAY, USUALLY GOOD ONE
RAMIREZ SUCKS BIG TIME AND THAT’S FINE WITH HIM, POOR LITTLE BOY
JETER SUCKS THIS SEASON, BIG TIME, EXACTLY – YOU GOT $20MIL. – SO DON’T FRIGGIN’ BUNT, IDIOT
GIRARDI SUCKS, GOOD BYE NEXT YEAR JOE SUCKER
I’m sorry but NO PLAYOFFS this year, miserable team.
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