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Kennedy: “I’m just not real upset”

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 09, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ian Kennedy gave up more hits (nine) than he got outs (six). But he didn’t think he pitched poorly.

“I felt like I made some good pitches,” he said. “I’m not too upset about it. … What was it, a bunch of singles and three doubles? I’m just not real upset about it. I’m just going to move on and I’ve already done that.”

Those comments will not be popular among his teammates or within the front office.

Joe Girardi said after the game that Kennedy is in the rotation and needs to pitch better against the Twins on Wednesday. But what Kennedy said tonight could change that.

It’s important to have a short memory when you’re a major leaguer. We’ve heard Mariano Rivera and Derek Jeter say that 1,000 times. It’s quite another to get shelled and act like it doesn’t matter. Andy Pettitte would have been trying to drown himself in the whirlpool after a game like that.

It will be interesting to see how Girardi handles this. There are plenty of managers who would put the rookie on the first flight back to the minors.

Meanwhile, the Yankees turn their lonely eyes to Dan Giese for a nationally televised game against Fox tomorrow. Hold on tight, this road trip is just getting started.

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377 Responses to “Kennedy: “I’m just not real upset””

  1. miggs (NO to Teixeira) (Please ban the Hair Dresser) August 9th, 2008 at 1:52 am

    Send him down.

    Idiot.

  2. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 1:53 am

    LOL he needs a nickname

    It’s all good Kennedy.

  3. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 9th, 2008 at 1:54 am

    I cannot believe what I just witnessed Ian Kennedy saying to the media. He had that stupid smile and wasn’t too concerned with his outing. You have most of the team busting their butts to make the post season, and we have you smirking saying you aren’t concerned. You are shocked that your manager came and took you out with 2 on no one out in the second giving up 9 hits!! (granted some dropped) BUT 9 HITS!! Ian you SUCKED tonight, what part about that don’t you understand!! You didn’t give your team a chance to win!!

    You have some of the best guys in the game to watch in Mussina and Pettitte! Mussina said he didn’t’ have his best stuff last night and PITCHED 7 INNINGS!! Giving up ZERO runs to one of the best offenses in baseball!

    After that interview (even though the pitching is so thin) I don’t really see how you can give him another start up here. I don’t think I am overreacting when i think Cash should get on a plane and sit down and speak to him. You need to own your poor performance, don’t sit and shrug it off this isn’t spring training, where you can turn the page!

  4. S.A.-We need you back soon Phil Hughes. This offense is still offensive. August 9th, 2008 at 1:54 am

    Those comments will not be popular among his teammates or within the front office.

    Also, those comments will also not be popular with the fans that spent their time to watch the Yankees lose tonight.

    I’m upset over this game Ian. You should be too. :evil:

    Whatever, win the next two games somehow.

  5. RalphieD August 9th, 2008 at 1:55 am

    kennedy did not endear himself to his teammates…

  6. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 1:55 am

    kid’s delusional.

    i’m sorry, but anybody who had kennedy’s back and was preaching about the kid’s good attitude was WAY off.

    what a joke.

  7. GCNSean August 9th, 2008 at 1:56 am

    Are you kidding me? Send his butt down to Single A for the rest of the year. You can’t learn anything if you do not admit that there is something seriously wrong.

  8. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 9th, 2008 at 1:56 am

    Pete, I feel entirely vindicated now since I spent a lot of time jawboning about that very same thing about Kennedy – the cavalier attitude after stinking the joint out and feeling he actually did a pretty good job. And I was excoriated by SJ44 for calling Ian out on something so “trivial”. I said that attitude was something that didn’t sit well with the Yankees, but I was of course corrected by the teacher and told to write on the blackboard.

    Well it appears I was right, at least in my characterization of his attitude after he has not pitched well. It is strange to say the least.

  9. miggs (NO to Teixeira) (Please ban the Hair Dresser) August 9th, 2008 at 1:56 am

    I mean come on.

    9 hits. 2 innings. Who cares if some were bloops?

    Its great he didn’t give up any HRs. Guys were teeing off on his fastball. He wasn’t fooling anybody.

    Is this guy arrogant or just oblivious?

  10. JoeT 28 in 09!! MOOSE FOR HOF, MO FOR CY YOUNG YANKS FOR PLAYOFFS!! August 9th, 2008 at 1:57 am

    i’m with you S.A.

    The team goes out and though sometimes it doesn’t seem like it, they play their a off trying to win the game. The expect each and every person on the 25 man roster to go out and do anything they can to help the team win. and when you don’t win, it’s a let down… this is the Yankees, we’re trying to stay in the race and make the playoffs – every loss is HUGE – there’s no such thing as “next time” at this point.

    Note: Team/players can also be replaced with FANS

  11. pat August 9th, 2008 at 1:57 am

    Confident is one thing but that postgame interview was nothing short of delusional.

  12. Mike Eff. ( believe in the power of X ) August 9th, 2008 at 1:58 am

    just what you didn’t want to hear. What a punk

    Sad when you go to bed praying to see pavano on the mound..

  13. miggs (NO to Teixeira) (Please ban the Hair Dresser) August 9th, 2008 at 1:58 am

    trisha whats up?

    how are things?

  14. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 9th, 2008 at 1:59 am

    “Is this guy arrogant or just oblivious?”

    I’ve asked the same question. His behavior tonight Miggs is a carbon copy of his behavior after all of his other losses when he was up at the beginning of the season. The other day I said that I had hoped that perhaps his time in AAA might have taught him both skills and humility but I didn’t see a real lot of either.

  15. fred from jersey August 9th, 2008 at 1:59 am

    good thing the mayor didnt give this guy a keyring.

  16. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 2:00 am

    trisha – 1, lohud – 0?

    we get it.

  17. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 9th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Hey Miggs! Great to see you. Same old same old, keeping my fingers crossed that we can keep this season rolling long enough to have everything coallesce and maybe get hot and stay hot at the right time. Remember me?

    :)

  18. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 9th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Seriously someone needs to knock some sense into that dude. Everyone is busting their tails, playing hurt and we have this Cali dude shrugging it off like it doesn’t mean anything!

    Maybe I overreacted saying Cash should fly out to speak to him, but clearly something isn’t getting through his head. Someone needs to tell him, you can’t go on tv and say you aren’t upset when you have Johnny Damon playing with a sore shoulder, you have Matsui killing himself to come back, you have other teammates with various aliments and we have you shrugging off an awful performance.

  19. GCNSean August 9th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Yeah… You know it is bad when you want Pavano over IPK now… At least Pavano is trying to get back and knows he has a ton to prove…

  20. Paddy R August 9th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    it’s beyond a joke. agreed with jennifer he needs to go back down after that display (attitude first and foremost, but performance as well). sending him down right away, while fully healthy, would send a message. one that needs to be sent. it really was disgusting the way he handled himself.

    some of the lines are too much…”what was it a bunch of singles and 3 doubles”. ummmmmmmmm yea ian, that will pretty much do it!

  21. Mike Eff. ( believe in the power of X ) August 9th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    I’m with you Trisha

  22. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 9th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    Uh no kasey, not lohud 0. Because it wasn’t “lohud” that was busting my chops about Kennedy dear. Just SJ44.

  23. sw (The X-man Cometh) August 9th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    And they say it’s the multimillionaires on this team that don’t care because they’ve already made their millions… :? No, example A of “doesn’t care about winning” would be Ian Kennedy.

  24. Redding August 9th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    That was a terrible postgame by him, that should get him his ticket back to Scranton.

    I cannot believe we wasted a 1st round pick on this guy. Anybody picked after him (aside from Joba) who is doing well?

  25. G. Love August 9th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    To some of the earlier posters from this evening — Keep defending this little twit. He’s only going to make you look foolish.

    We should have sent him packing this off season. He’s talking himself right out of NY and we won’t get spit for him.

  26. DFox August 9th, 2008 at 2:03 am

    He should take the lead from his buddy Joba. If Joba took the mound and gave up anything close to 5 runs and only lasted 2.1 innings, all he’d be talking about after the game is how he let his teammates down, he didn’t do his job, and he needs to pitch better. Ian Kennedy is 1/10th of the pitcher Joba is, so he should have no problem admitting he was bad like Joba does, even when he doesn’t pitch all that badly.

    But nevermind, he probably thinks he’s better than Joba.

  27. OC Yankees Fan August 9th, 2008 at 2:03 am

    Was at the game tonight. Man, that was ugly. IPK hit 90 just once, although he had a fair number of first-pitch strikes . . . The Angels are patient hitters and lit him up late in the count.

    Those of you who get to watch the Yanks regularly have been complaining about this all year, but it didn’t click until I finally got to see them with my own eyes. The Yankees look old (especially Damon and Giambi) and completely out of sync (Melky). The Angels made the plays (i.e. Hunter) that Damon and Nady couldn’t.

    The guy in front of me turned around and taunted me with “Steinbrenner paid 200 million for this?” Ouch.

    The only highlight of the evening was when the Yankee fans started the “lets go Yankee chant” and the Angel fans responded, but at some point mid-chant both factions started a very loud “Boston s_cks” refrain. Finally, something everyone could agree with!

  28. Noonan August 9th, 2008 at 2:03 am

    We should’ve traded IPK when his value had increased at the trade deadline with his near no-no at AAA. I’d honestly rather have Brian Fuentes at this point even with our bullpen arms.

    Not only does IPK not have big league stuff, but he seems like a cocky and ignorant pitcher who really has no right to be. He better change his tune or he’ll be out of the league fast.

    I usually drink the prospect kool-aid, but never have with IPK.

    The Mike Mussina comparisons are laughable. More like Sterling Hitchcock.

  29. Dr. J August 9th, 2008 at 2:03 am

    I have more respect for Pavano than Kennedy.

  30. JoeT 28 in 09!! MOOSE FOR HOF, MO FOR CY YOUNG YANKS FOR PLAYOFFS!! August 9th, 2008 at 2:04 am

    I’m just trying to make sense of this. I mean I could understand 5 innings 5 runs, Yankees win and he’s happy while 8 innings 2 runs and they lose he’s not happy… I understand that… but 2 innings, 9 hits, 5 runs, Yankees lose…. our long man is burnt out, and Dan Geise is starting tomorrow and he’s not upset? Remember Joba – he pitched unbelievable and gave up that HR to David Dellucci and it was like he just blew game 7 of the world series. Ian Kennedy hasn’t done anything to prove he’s a major league pitcher, gets rocked, and he’s not upset…. mind boggling.

    He’ll be on the first flight out tomorrow – someone has to come up to be the long man tomorrow/the starter in this slot, no way Joe gives him the ball again.. tonights start + those comments = the end of Ian Kennedy in New York

  31. Hughes Dynasty August 9th, 2008 at 2:05 am

    at this point

    rasner > kennedy

    kennedy has no future with us

  32. miggs (NO to Teixeira) (Please ban the Hair Dresser) August 9th, 2008 at 2:05 am

    Trisha how could I forget?

    I have to say, the window to the postseason is closing quickly right before our eyes.

    We never seem to be able to capitalize when Boston loses, and now it looks like the Twins/ ChiSox are real players for the WC also.

    Its not looking good.

  33. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 9th, 2008 at 2:05 am

    OC Yankees Fan

    Hitting only 90 isn’t why Kennedy sucked. Mussina doesn’t hit 90 anymore, but he knows how to pitch.

  34. Bronx Jeers August 9th, 2008 at 2:05 am

    His masterpiece is currently running on Yes Encore if anyone is interested in looking for those “good pitches” Ooooh I think I just saw one! Hey he was right!

  35. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 2:05 am

    Well that was a very Igawa reaction from him. I know he is a young guy, but giving that answer even if you truly believe it is a load of manure. You think Hughes or Joba would say something like that? They’d admit they stunk without hesitation.

    I wanted to believe in the kid, but between this and his earlier crying about the pressure of playing in NYC I think it’s safe to say he isn’t cut out for this team.

    Maybe we can package him and Melky in the winter for some real help. Heck, send them to the Pirates for Karstens.

  36. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Right now I would send him down for Chase Wright… atleast he gives a damn and is LHP who should have been up here.

  37. Dave D August 9th, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Ship this guy to the NL South or something where he can make lineups look foolish. Not happening in the AL East in NYC.

  38. Noonan August 9th, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Pathetic.

    We should’ve traded IPK at the trade deadline when his value had increased after his near AAA no-no. I’d much rather have Brian Fuentes, even without our bullpen depth, then this cocky and arrogant prick of a pitcher. He has no right to be either.

    I usually drink the kool-aid with our prospects, but have never been sold on IPK. He better change his tune soon or he’ll be out of this league faster than he knows it. The comparisons to the Moose need to stop here. More like Sterling Hitchcock.

  39. Guiseppe Franco August 9th, 2008 at 2:07 am

    At this point, they really don’t have any choice but to send him out there again.

    There are no other choices at the minor league level and he wouldn’t have started tonight if Joba had not been injured.

    Sooner or later, you run out of options and that’s where they are right now with all the injuries.

  40. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 2:07 am

    i just hope the ian kennedy experiment ends soon. it’s one thing if the kid’s willing to take responsibility for the fact that he spit the bit when his team needed him. it’s another thing entirely to be that delusionally arrogant and oblivious of what he was doing (or, rather, not doing) out there. what a shame.

  41. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    oh Cash I told you I’d rather deal him than Tabata or Cutch. Johnny Damon injured shoulder and all ran right through a F***ING wall !!! and you ain’t upset ?

    MAN F*** YOU !

  42. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 9th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    Do you think someone called Cash the minute they watched the postgame interview and said Cash you can’t believe what this kid just said!!

    I really hope he sent down tomorrow and a more deserving guy, someone who is working his tail off gets called up.

    Heck can we drop Ian off the 40 man? that would send a real message.

  43. S.A.-We need you back soon Phil Hughes. This offense is still offensive. August 9th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    Seriously, I know Girardi said “Mr. Everything is Cool Fools” is gonna start against the Twinkies for now. But please, no.

    Give someone else the chance: Chase Wright, the homeless dude in front of Penn Station who asked me to marry him. Anyone else!
    At least someone who might care about what happens in the game.

    Send Kennedy to Bellevue to get his head checked out and away we go.

    I’m more upset right now about his comments than the freaking game. ggrrr :evil:

  44. JoeT 28 in 09!! MOOSE FOR HOF, MO FOR CY YOUNG YANKS FOR PLAYOFFS!! August 9th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    DFox – I agree with everything you said except

    “Ian Kennedy is 1/10th of the pitcher Joba is”

    Don’t insult Joba like that lol, add a few more zeros.

    IPK doesn’t have any pitch that is even league average, his fastball was 86-88.. touched 89 and maybe 90 once. his curve ball is average at best and he can’t locate it making is useless.

  45. Dave D August 9th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    Agree Brandon, Chase Wright has more guts than Kennedy ever will.

    Heck, so does Rasner and he’s terrible, but atleast he competes and takes responsibility.

    See how Giese does tomorrow, then evaluate. Either way, Wright should be on his way to Minnesota.

  46. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 9th, 2008 at 2:09 am

    “it’s one thing if the kid’s willing to take responsibility for the fact that he spit the bit when his team needed him. it’s another thing entirely to be that delusionally arrogant and oblivious of what he was doing (or, rather, not doing) out there. what a shame.”

    Absolutely and unequivocally agree.

  47. G. Love August 9th, 2008 at 2:09 am

    Can’t wait for all the minor league mavens in here to come in and tell us all how these comments show he’s a tough kid and isn’t afraid of anything and what we all see from him on the mound and hear out of his mouth is not the real IPK.

    I’d rather see Igawa, Pavano or the ghost of Matty DeSalvo pitch for the Yankees than this turd.

    You all still want him in the rotation next year? Still counting him into the mix?

  48. lil' m August 9th, 2008 at 2:10 am

    Oops – not quite the way to go. Even the Rajah of Rehab (can’t bring myself to say his name) knows not to say play it like that.

  49. Jorge Tabata August 9th, 2008 at 2:10 am

    Kennedy has no trade value… Huntington isin’t that stupid.

    Why would he turn down 2 power arms like Cutch and Ohlendorf for a soft tosser headcase like Kennedy?

  50. MikeEff ( Believe in the Power of X) August 9th, 2008 at 2:11 am

    Brandon–great idea—why not give a lefty with a lot of heart a chance–they just can’t reward this kind of performance and attitude with anything other than a harsh dressing down from girardi and a bus ticket to AA.

  51. GCNSean August 9th, 2008 at 2:11 am

    I think 100% of the fans want IPK gone now. If Joe keeps him in for a next start many will be outraged….

  52. DFox August 9th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    “Don’t insult Joba like that lol, add a few more zeros.

    IPK doesn’t have any pitch that is even league average, his fastball was 86-88.. touched 89 and maybe 90 once. his curve ball is average at best and he can’t locate it making is useless.”

    Haha, yeah, that’s true. And just tack that on to the poor attitude and he becomes even less valuable. How can they possibly trade this guy now?? Can’t pitch in the majors, can’t think rationally when talking to the media, oy, I think they’re stuck with him.

  53. lil' m August 9th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    That was supposed to be “knows not to play it like that.” My bad . . .

  54. Tucker August 9th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    Kennedy came with a reputation as a bulldog. Somebody who gets by on guts and guile, not a remarkable cachet of pitches.

    If his mental game is not right, then he is not right. He doesn’t have a 99 MPH fastball that he can crank out. He doesn’t have a Mariano cutter. Or a Marte slider.

    Kennedy’s supposed strength is mental toughness. So he is trying to preserve that. He wants Girardi to think that he believes in himself.

    However, it is clear that he is not there yet. He is nibbling on the corners because he just doesn’t believe in himself.

    If he admits his lack of confidence now, then he loses the only thing that ever made him any good. So he is clinging to that by lying to the media or chiming in about making AAA batters “look stupid.” I wouldn’t take his public statements too seriously.

  55. CaptainsCorner August 9th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    Kennedy will be starting on Wed. because the Yanks do not have anyone else to pitch!!!! Who else are they going to send out there??!!! You want to see Igawa?? I don’t…Hughes probably needs 2 more starts in the minors and he wasn’t that good in the majors either. Kennedy sounded like an absolute fool but they have no other options.

    That was Cashman’s #1 problem in the off season. He assumed that Kennedy and Hughes were ready and counted on them too much. There was no reason to assume that. The injuries to especially Wang and now Joba really has hurt them but it all started back in the off season when Cashman built this team with only 3 starting pitchers and no insurance. Hughes ok I will give him that…no one expected him to be this bad and then hurt. But there was no reason to expect Kennedy to be ready. He had 3 starts last year.!!!!

  56. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 9th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    Just because Joe said Ian is starting next time, doesn’t make it so. He knows how deep they’ve had to dig into the farm for pitching, and he can’t go and say, he isn’t making his next start without talking to Cash. If/when he sees/hears what Ian said you can be sure he will be pushing extra hard for someone else. You can be sure that, that interview will tick Joe off to no end.

  57. miggs (NO to Teixeira) (Please ban the Hair Dresser) August 9th, 2008 at 2:13 am

    “Give someone else the chance: Chase Wright, the homeless dude in front of Penn Station who asked me to marry him. Anyone else!”

    Well I must say that has to be the quote of the night.

    Funny stuff.

  58. G. Love August 9th, 2008 at 2:14 am

    IPK will be booed off the mound at the stadium if he makes another start in Pinstripes after these comments make the rounds tomorrow morning.

    Chase Wright deserves the shot. He may do no better that Ian “Brainfart” Kennedy pitched tonight, but I want to see Kennedy demoted and not called up in Sept.

  59. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 2:15 am

    as far as kennedy’s next start, what are they going to do? unfortunately, they can’t call up chase wright just because the kid’s got “heart.” at this point, they’re still in the wild card race, so they have to give themselves the best chance to win every time out. if the organization feels kennedy will serve that purpose, he’ll be out there wednesday. after tonight’s outing and comments, i don’t know how they could possibly believe he gives them a chance, but it wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see him out there again.

    kid reminds me of tyler clippard. another arrogant, delusional little s*** who acted as though he was god’s gift but couldn’t get major league hitters out to save his life.

  60. JoeT 28 in 09!! MOOSE FOR HOF, MO FOR CY YOUNG YANKS FOR PLAYOFFS!! August 9th, 2008 at 2:15 am

    Hey you mentioned Pavano (i’ll say it)… I’ve been one of the very very few who want him back. We spent 40 million bucks and got nothing in return.. no sense in rehabbing him to get him ready to get an off season deal with another team… screw that, get him ready and get his @$$ on the mound.. we need pitching, he’s got a great arm – use it as long as we can.

    I actually would NOT be completely against giving him a one-year deal right now worth about the same as Kennedy is worth (aka next to nothing) so we have a (get ready) HEALTHY PAVANO next year. I say that because if he comes back and pitches good you know that another team is going to sign him for more money then the Yankees would be willing to pay, and he’ll win 16+ next year

  61. DFox August 9th, 2008 at 2:16 am

    “IPK will be booed off the mound at the stadium if he makes another start in Pinstripes after these comments make the rounds tomorrow morning.”

    Unfortunately, that’s not necessarily true. If he pitched lights out, I doubt anyone would care anymore about the quotes, but I can’t see him pitching lights out, so you’re probably right.

    He probably won’t get booed that loudly anyway because in the 3rd inning a lot of people are still getting to the ballpark.

  62. E-Man August 9th, 2008 at 2:16 am

    I am really surprised that you are all surprised about Kennedy’s performance. What the first time around did you see that you liked? He’s just not ready to be here and if he was he would have been here already again.

  63. Dr. J August 9th, 2008 at 2:16 am

    If this Front office/coaching staff has any guile, they will not let him stay in the rotation after that gutless performance and total denial in his press conference.

    Best thing for all parties involved– send him to the minors and let him re-build his trade value and get rid of him during the winter. Hopefully we can use Karstens’ dominance as a way to convince other GMs that these players will be good away from NY.

  64. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 9th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    jennifer, I sure hope you are right.

    As we have already all pointed out, every other pitcher on that team who has let the team down, including Mariano, is entirely deflated and sometimes can barely answer Jones. This guy stands there looking and sounding like an idiot. If he is that out of touch that he can’t even bring himself to say he’s at least a little unhappy with 9 hits and 5 ER in 2+ innings, I don’t think he has the integrity to be a Yankee.

    Just my opinion.

  65. Baby Bomber August 9th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    Comparing him to Sterling Hitchcock looks optimistic for him at this point.

    We should’ve traded this kid when his value had increased at the trade deadline with his near AAA no-no. Brian Fuentes would look a lot better now and for the future than this jerk-off of a pitcher. Honestly, he’s cocky and arrogant, and for what? He hasn’t done jack at the MLB level. He’ll be out of this league faster than he knows it if he keeps this up, and no one will remember him or care.

    I usually drink the kool-aid on our prospects, but never have on IPK. Can you say over-hyped?

  66. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    “Kennedy’s supposed strength is mental toughness. So he is trying to preserve that. He wants Girardi to think that he believes in himself.”

    guys like rivera and pettitte are also known for their mental toughness and ability to put a bad outing behind them. guess what else they have in common? they’re both able to admit when they let their team down.

    it’s one thing to be mentally tough. it’s another thing entirely to be delusional.

  67. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 2:18 am

    I’d rather them run Wright out there, he’s a better pitcher than what we saw of him last season. Even with the problems Aceves is having in AAA right now I’d rather see them throw him out there. Heck, Jason Jones is a better option at this point.

  68. G. Love August 9th, 2008 at 2:18 am

    JoeT–Pavano will get a multi-year deal from some team in the off season for decent money (4-7 million per year).

    He’s not coming back here for the veteran minimum.

    He’s probably going to take a 1 year deal for 5 million and pitch himself towards a big contract next year.

    That said, I agree. We should throw him up here. He’s been a waste of money and he might as well earn some of it in the last couple of months.

  69. Bombshell August 9th, 2008 at 2:18 am

    Inexcusable comments. Be a man and tell the media what you did wrong and how you can improve it. I would send him back to AAA instantly…first of all he’s obviously not major league ready yet both with his stuff and in his head, and secondly if he wants to have ANY success at the big league level he has to be punished and earn his way back up. And not just by pitching well, his attitude needs to change. Anyway, I was never sold on Kennedy even last year when he dominated the minors, doesn’t have a proven out pitch that he can command. To that you can now add his mental problems.

  70. JoeT 28 in 09!! MOOSE FOR HOF, MO FOR CY YOUNG YANKS FOR PLAYOFFS!! August 9th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    Kennedy hasn’t done anything to show he deserves to be starting on Wednesday. He has pitched AWFUL.. not even ok.. not decent – AWFUL…. after the game in Fenway Chase Wright got a raw deal – keep in mind he pitched pretty well before that, especially for a kid called up from Double-A to make a start at Yankee Stadium.

    I’d much prefer to see CW get the start over Kennedy – it can’t be worse. I’d even prefer Kei Ig… no.. Chase Wright first lol.

  71. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! August 9th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    5 runs in 2 innings translates to a 22.50 ERA…

    What’s there to be upset about?

  72. MikeEff ( Believe in the Power of X) August 9th, 2008 at 2:20 am

    kasey–obviously i wasn’t implying that having heart was the only necessary component. and what on earth makes you think that Kennedy’s performance tonight helps keep us in “the wild card race”?

  73. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 2:21 am

    “Heck can we drop Ian off the 40 man? that would send a real message.”

    He wouldn’t clear waivers.

    He definitely lost the fans (and possibly the team) with that postgame conference. Not good.

    He definitely didn’t go to the Crash Davis school of talking to the media.

  74. Dr. J August 9th, 2008 at 2:21 am

    There’s a reason that Girardi and Cashman were reluctant to talk about him and a reason that they pulled Giese out of the pen to make a start for Rasner before they called up Kennedy (the only reason he is up here is because of Joba’s injury).

    He not only doesn’t have good stuff, he is a headcase. And today’s events probably did nothing to alleviate any of those concerns surrounding him that kept him in the minors so long to begin with.

  75. CaptainsCorner August 9th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    I think Kim Jones kept asking him soo many questions because she was so amused at what he was saying. Like she couldn’t believe the things that he was saying and wasn’t sure if she saw the same game that he did.

  76. Joe I August 9th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    Kennedy did something that I didn’t think was possible. He was worse in the post game than he was during the game.

  77. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 9th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    “Heck, Jason Jones is a better option at this point.”

    Kim Jones is a better option at this point!

  78. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 2:23 am

    “I’d rather them run Wright out there, he’s a better pitcher than what we saw of him last season. Even with the problems Aceves is having in AAA right now I’d rather see them throw him out there. Heck, Jason Jones is a better option at this point.”

    Wright isn’t done developing.

    Wanna know what happens when you take a solid prospect and bring him up to the majors too early? Ian Kennedy.

  79. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 2:23 am

    Of course, now we know who’s spot in the rotation CC will be taking next season.

  80. Bombshell August 9th, 2008 at 2:23 am

    “Kennedy hasn’t done anything to show he deserves to be starting on Wednesday. He has pitched AWFUL.. not even ok.. not decent – AWFUL…. after the game in Fenway Chase Wright got a raw deal – keep in mind he pitched pretty well before that, especially for a kid called up from Double-A to make a start at Yankee Stadium.”

    Funny thing is that just last week everyone was calling for Kennedy to pitch and that he would save our team. I never ever thought he was gonna be successful not even during his minor league domination period last year. Hughes is a VERY different story, you only have to look at game 3 last year to realize he has what it takes between the ears and with the ball in his hand.

  81. Guiseppe Franco August 9th, 2008 at 2:23 am

    Boy, it doesn’t take much for Yankee fans to turn on someone.

    Is the kid a little immature? Sure.

    But the Yanks set Kennedy up for failure tonight simply because he was pitching against the best team in baseball with the added pressure of pitching near his hometown.

    One could argue that he’s not ready for the majors and the Yanks would agree at this point.

    But the problem is that Kennedy wasn’t promoted until Joba got hurt. They had no intention of promoting him to pitch against the Angels but did it out of desperation.

    If the Yanks don’t make the postseason, so be it. But you might as well find out what these kids have before you bury them for dead and call their major league career over.

    Lots of people on this board wanted Moose gone and he turned his career around. Yeah, I know Kennedy is not Moose but the point is that we have no idea what kind of pitcher Kennedy can be in this league.

    Most pitchers get 400 innings of work in the minors before they got a shot at the bigs. Kennedy has roughly 200 innings under his belt.

    Not everyone is Joba Chamberlain.

  82. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 2:24 am

    um, mike, i didn’t say i thought kennedy kept the yankees in the wild card race. i said i thought if the organization believes he’s the best option, he’ll be out there again. here were my exact words:

    “i don’t know how they could possibly believe he gives them a chance, but it wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see him out there again.”

  83. steve August 9th, 2008 at 2:24 am

    what do you expect from a guy who abandoned the ALDS to go on his wedding?

  84. G. Love August 9th, 2008 at 2:24 am

    I think we all need to throw his 3 wins from last season out the window.

    The league had never seen his stuff. It was a Sept. callup which probably means he faced some hitters who were just called up or mailing it in for the year and we were a better/younger/healthier defensive team and had Minky (or Phillips) at 1b I believe which is a huge upgrade over Giambi.

    This guy has been putrid this season and has made Cashman look completely foolish for buying into his 3-0 start from last year.

    What sucks is we could have traded him for something awesome this past off season — that’s now gone.

  85. JoeT 28 in 09!! MOOSE FOR HOF, MO FOR CY YOUNG YANKS FOR PLAYOFFS!! August 9th, 2008 at 2:24 am

    “He definitely didn’t go to the Crash Davis school of talking to the media.”

    I believe that would go something like this:

    “I want to thank the good Lord for giving me the opportunity to pitch here tonight, it didn’t go the way I had hoped, but God willing I’ll get another shot to help this team win.”

    Actual Answer: “um.. yeah even though I got ripped around the park left and right, my USC education is obviously useless because I think when I throw the ball 85 and it comes back at me at 120 that’s a good thing”

  86. pecosmedic August 9th, 2008 at 2:26 am

    time to use him as trade bait!!!

  87. bigjf August 9th, 2008 at 2:26 am

    Man, and I thought Igawa was psychotic. I don’t want to ever see this jerk pitch again for my team. Trade him. This kid has no heart. At least Tabata took his failures so hard that he nearly quit. This complacent moron could care less! There’s not much else I can say here without getting banned, so all I can say is get rid of this bum. Anyone who can shrug off the kind of pounding he’s taken this quickly doesn’t deserve to have a career in baseball.

  88. Bombshell August 9th, 2008 at 2:26 am

    Guiseppe Franco – can’t speak for everyone else but for me his postgame attitude both this start and the last time he was up is just as bad if not worse than his pitching performance. I don’t care if he needs more innings or may work out when he’s a couple of years more experienced, he doesn’t have the temperment at all. And that’s inexcusable.

  89. YankeesTech August 9th, 2008 at 2:27 am

    Anyone who takes Ian’s comments seriously is fooling themselves. Ian knows better than anyone that he freaking s**** today.

  90. Nick in SF August 9th, 2008 at 2:27 am

    Until Kennedy starts sporting the dark glasses and flashing [more] clueless chipmunk grins, I’d still rather see him on the mound next week than Igawa.

  91. Theresa August 9th, 2008 at 2:27 am

    trisha,

    Just curious, maybe I missed something, but why were you calling out SJ at 1:56 for critizing your comments about IPK in the previous thread? The only person who responded to you was YankeeJosh. You were commenting about his postgame comments which Pete referred to above, yet SJ never responded to you, in fact his last comment was at 11:40. We all know you have your issues with him, but why make up something about being “corrected by the teacher.” Am I wrong?

  92. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 2:27 am

    Yesterday I said IPK has a big mouth and everyone knocked me for it. I love how the very next night the guy proves my point for me how great is that. Seriously this guy doesn’t have the stuff or the mind-set to succeed in the bigs too much confidence and too little talent.

  93. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 9th, 2008 at 2:27 am

    Giuseppe Franco, if the kid had shown any kind of remorse during the postgame at this point I would just be hoping that he had better stuff fot Wednesday’s game. But with that attitude I no longer believe he understands the concept of team, or Yankees, or postseason, or winning, or the importance of keeping your team in it. It’s like Ian sees his starts as woodshedding sessions and ain’t life grand no matter what.

    There is a HUGE disconnect and that’s not good when your team is struggling to keep its head above water.

  94. Mitchell August 9th, 2008 at 2:28 am

    I’m not trying to say he should have made those comments. But, perhaps he’s just trying to regain his confidence after his first terrible stint in the majors in the beginning of the year. He got hit really hard and I think he’s just trying to look on the bright side. But he took that way too far. I remember earlier in the season when he got sent down he said: “It’ll be good to go somewhere where every pitch isn’t scrutinized and isn’t the end of the world.” He shouldn’t have said that it would be good to go to the minors in an interview but I think his confidence was so blown, he was accepting it and trying to look on the bright side. I guess it’s good that he’s looking for a positive in everything; but, he can’t be saying things like this in front of the media.

  95. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 2:28 am

    “But the Yanks set Kennedy up for failure tonight simply because he was pitching against the best team in baseball with the added pressure of pitching near his hometown.”

    no, the yankees gave kennedy a chance to start the year and he s*** the bed to the tune of a 7.4 ERA before his injury. then, he acted as if he’d earned a spot in the majors and it was a disgrace for him to have to slum it with those lowly AAA schlubs again.

    what the yankees did tonight was give the kid a chance to walk his own talk. prove that he belonged in the majors. what ian kennedy did was just the opposite. he looked entirely and incredibly overmatched. like somebody who had no business pitching to major league hitters.

    no excuses. didn’t matter where he was, or that he was only called up because joba got hurt. kennedy has been acting for months as if it was an insult to him to have to spend time in the minor leagues. tonight we saw exactly why the yankees didn’t want to call the kid up.

  96. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 2:28 am

    Stevie Wonder could see that he was awful today. The problem is the way he sugar-coated it instead of owning up to letting his team down.

  97. Steve Dave August 9th, 2008 at 2:28 am

    Hate to say I told ya so. But I told ya so.

    The front office has been worried about his mental makeup all season now. He never had a muscle injury. The sending down was to fix his head.

    It obviously hasn’t worked.

    He just doesn’t have “it” at this point. He probably will never in NY. Some guys aren’t NY type guys. Mussina. Petttite. Mo. Joba is. Hughes looks like he is. Kennedy joins Igawa and Kenny Rogers and Ed Whitson.

    They can’t baby him anymore and they certainly can’t afford to let him pitch next week.

  98. Dave D August 9th, 2008 at 2:29 am

    If baseball doesn’t work for him, he can always get a job at MAD magazine.

  99. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 2:29 am

    “What sucks is we could have traded him for something awesome this past off season — that’s now gone.”

    Not really.

    Teams were interested in him, but more of the ‘Ian Kennedy for Will Ohman’ type deals, max.

  100. miggs (NO to Teixeira) (Please ban the Hair Dresser) August 9th, 2008 at 2:29 am

    Franco you like to disagree just to disagree, its a patern with you all the time on this blog.

    We aren’t talking about the guy’s pitching (even though that sucks also).

    We’re talking about his attitude.

    He thinks his start was ok tonight. That just isn’t acceptable. Go play for the Royals or Padres if that’s how you feel.

    But don’t put on the pinstripes. Don’t be oblivious to the fact that you were terrible and gave your team very little chance to win. Don’t have that stupid grin on your face when you just got shelled on the mound. How can you root for that guy?

    Trisha I have a question for you… any way for me to contact you without either of us displaying our email address for the entire blog to see?

  101. Tucker August 9th, 2008 at 2:29 am

    Kasey — agreed. Frankly, he knows he needs work. Kennedy has been compared to is Mike Mussina, who is a total cerebral pitcher. Confidence is everything to these finesse pitchers. In his mind, once he admits he failed (which he has done in the big leagues — repeatedly), he is done.

  102. DFox August 9th, 2008 at 2:30 am

    Guiseppe Franco, I’m not sure how your post is relevant to people turning on him… The bad outing was one thing, most people here weren’t turning on him for that. Sure, some of the silly posters here were, but most people didn’t discount him because of that.

    But if gives up 5 ERs in 2.1 innings and thinks he pitched well, why shouldn’t people be allowed to give up on him. According to him, he’s not going to get much better, because his performance tonight was again, according to him, a bunch of singles and some doubles.

    He’s 23 years old. That isn’t particularly young for a baseball player these days. He should know the game, and he should be able to see he wasn’t very good tonight.

    For me, the combination of the awful pitching and the awful denial make it hard to believe he’s going to be a good major league pitcher.

    I’m starting to think what we saw last year was nothing but a fluke.

  103. Wangawa August 9th, 2008 at 2:31 am

    I’m sure they can dig up someone from the minors who can do better than 9 hits in 2+ innings…

  104. JJ August 9th, 2008 at 2:31 am

    To think we could have got Santana for Hughes and two flat out scrubs who can barely play in AAA.

  105. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 9th, 2008 at 2:32 am

    Theresa,

    SJ44 was all over me a few days ago about Kennedy. That is what I was referring to. I was vocal about my negative feelings about Kennedy and gave as part of my reasons that I was upset with Kennedy’s previous postgame interviews and noted that kinds of things he said in those interviews (which were carbon copies of tonight.) I said I thought he (Kennedy) was either stupid or arrogant and never seemed bothered by his losses, etc. etc. I wasn’t talking about anything that was said tonight.

  106. Michelle b. (X is the new Black!) JoeT has my vote for comment of the night August 9th, 2008 at 2:32 am

    Ian went to USC – they dont call it the “University of Spoiled Children” for nothing. He is a total prat. Unfortunately, i dont think the yankees will send him down to prove a point. We are so deep in a pitching hole that we might need him next week.

    Ughh – this season has been depressing. Football season wont be much better seeing as how I’m a dolphin fan. Why couldnt i have picked teams that win.

  107. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 2:33 am

    Tucker-
    Difference is that when Moose goes out there he does it with a chip on his shoulder. IPK goes out there with a diaper for a jock.

  108. Denison August 9th, 2008 at 2:33 am

    Not taking responsibility for being awful???

    He should take a cue from Joba and see how he acted after he blew that game against Cle

  109. bigjf August 9th, 2008 at 2:34 am

    “Why couldnt i have picked teams that win.”

    26 titles mean nothing? Go root for Boston.

  110. Henry August 9th, 2008 at 2:34 am

    trisha don’t defend yourself against people that are just trying to rile you up. SJ disappears when the going gets tough. You stay around. Big difference.

  111. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 2:34 am

    It just seems like he has this undeserved sense of entitlement he doesn’t have Joba’s intensity or Phil’s make-up yet he walks around like a guy who is owed something. What were the Yanks thinking drafting an arrogant guy with a low ceiling in the first place. At best IPK was going to be a 4 and he has proven to be a lot less. Even Razzy tonight showed some guts he gave up some runs but he pitches like he actually cares about the team or the outcome of the game for that matter.

  112. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 9th, 2008 at 2:34 am

    Miggs, email Pete and he will give you my email address. I will email him and tell him it is okay to give it to you.

    Good idea?

  113. bigjf August 9th, 2008 at 2:35 am

    It’s incredible, I’m so mad right now I can barely see straight. And I’m just a fan whose only investment in this team is purely emotional. But why the hell should you care, Ian? It’s only your career…

  114. Dr, J August 9th, 2008 at 2:35 am

    How does he “need more time”?

    The guy pitched 4 years at USC and is putting up video game numbers in the minors.

    What more could he possibly gain by more dominance over amateur hitters? It’s not like this guy has electric stuff and is still growing and learning how to develop pitches, like Hughes is. He is a finished product. He is 24, 6’0 and filled out, and has a full arsenal. His FB isin’t getting any better and he’s not learning any new pitches. His mechanics are not getting altered. He is what he is.

    His issue is clearly something mental and in that case, NY is not the place for him. His stuff is so terrible that he needs to compensate for it with other intangibles which he clearly does not have.

    For every Maddux and Mussina, there are thousands of Clippards and Desalvos. Remember that. Not every control artist who puts up video game numbers is the next Maddux. You are lucky if they turn into Paul Byrd.

  115. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 2:35 am

    Kennedy should be on the Twins right now. With their 220 hitting CF’er Melky Cabrera.

    Santana would have put up 7 innings tonight and 2 runs and left 6 outs for Marte-Veras-Mo

    Cashman will be fired for that call

  116. JoeT 28 in 09!! MOOSE FOR HOF, MO FOR CY YOUNG YANKS FOR PLAYOFFS!! August 9th, 2008 at 2:36 am

    Tucker – he doesn’t have to admit that he’s a failure and he’s not a good pitcher. Saying “hey I didn’t have it today” does not take away all of his confidence. Joba was almost in tears after he blew that game to Cleveland – guess what, next time he struck out Dellucci and gave the biggest fist pump of his career – I’m pretty sure he was still confident.

    How I feel (and by 99% of the comments on here I think most agree) is I want IPK to be a man and take responsibility for what happened – if he got bombed and says “i sucked today” then most people here are ok with him getting the next start. Because of what he said, he doesn’t deserve to wear the pinstripes.. not now.. not ever

  117. Bronx Jeers August 9th, 2008 at 2:36 am

    “Anyone who takes Ian’s comments seriously is fooling themselves. Ian knows better than anyone that he freaking s**** today.”

    I am not sure if you saw the interview but if you didn’t you should know that these statements were also complemented with a lot of big toothy smiles. If he was just putting on a show then perhaps he should remain in LA after the team leaves and pursue an acting career.

  118. G. Love August 9th, 2008 at 2:36 am

    I hope they send him down and put him on a plane before he gets to go enjoy dinner with his friends and family who all came to support him in LA.

    I don’t think we’re overreacting in here. This is a punch to the gut. I can’t imagine how Girardi and Cashman are going to feel since they will have to answer to a lot of people if they keep him up.

  119. Michelle b. (X is the new Black!) JoeT has my vote for comment of the night August 9th, 2008 at 2:36 am

    bigjf,

    blow me

  120. Roberto August 9th, 2008 at 2:36 am

    Promote Aceves , Hes been great all year long , why continue with this joke , Ian is not prospect anymore

  121. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 2:36 am

    Can we end all comparisons to Maddux and Mussina for IPK please?

    That’s insulting to pitchers who actually pitch.

  122. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 2:36 am

    Last time Santana pitched vs the Angels he was also walloped

  123. Guiseppe Franco August 9th, 2008 at 2:37 am

    Kasey,

    That’s BS. The Yanks did not want him pitching against the Angels. Period.

    They decided to use Giese instead and didn’t decide to promote Kennedy until Joba got hurt and they really didn’t have any other option.

    Did Kennedy stink tonight? Absolutely.

    Were his postgame comments crazy? No doubt.

    But the Yanks promoted him to pitch this game out of desperation. I don’t know how you can even argue that point.

    It’s not necessarily their fault. But that’s the truth.

    And guess what, Kasey? Pettitte didn’t fare too well against the Angels last week either.

    Looking overmatched against the best team in baseball is a common theme for Yankee pitchers over the last few years.

    Sure, Kennedy isn’t ready for the bigs now and he certainly needs to grow up a bit. But those aren’t good reasons to write off his career.

  124. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 2:37 am

    In the offseason the Yanks need to sucker a team into giving us a good player for IPK and Melky, hey it could happen.

  125. Bombshell August 9th, 2008 at 2:38 am

    “It just seems like he has this undeserved sense of entitlement he doesn’t have Joba’s intensity or Phil’s make-up yet he walks around like a guy who is owed something. What were the Yanks thinking drafting an arrogant guy with a low ceiling in the first place. At best IPK was going to be a 4 and he has proven to be a lot less. Even Razzy tonight showed some guts he gave up some runs but he pitches like he actually cares about the team or the outcome of the game for that matter.”

    I’ll take some of this kool-aid haha…100% agree. The Joba comparison is very telling. You can tell that kid wants to win so badly and wants to earn every penny.

  126. Mitchell August 9th, 2008 at 2:38 am

    Steve,
    IPK didn’t “skip” the ALDS for his wedding. He was actually injured at the time.

  127. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 2:38 am

    Just think. We could have got Haren or Santana for this scrub.

    How didn’t they know he’s barely a 5th starter?

    That is what scares me most about this whole thing

    Our front office has to be 100% right on evaluating our own players

  128. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 9th, 2008 at 2:38 am

    Miggs, I just emailed Pete.

  129. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 2:39 am

    Can we get Igawa up here for Wed?

    Shoot me?

  130. Jim August 9th, 2008 at 2:40 am

    I didn’t see his post game being I don’t get YES out here in Denver, but judging by what everyone has mentioned… I don’t think he punched his ticket to Scranton, but rather to out of the Yankee system at the first chance possible. Of course with his performance and mouth, we would get more for Igawa. At this point, I’ll welcome Pavano with open arms over this IPK any day of the week.

  131. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 2:40 am

    the santana thing is going to keep coming up until the yankees win another championship.

    i don’t think cashman will – or should – lose his job because of it, but it looks pretty stupid in retrospect right now, and will until either hughes lives up to potential (iffy) or the yanks win a championship (matter of time).

    hindsight’s 20/20, but melky and kennedy haven’t exactly made cashman’s decision easy to defend thus far.

  132. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 2:40 am

    Kennedy should be on the Twins right now. With their 220 hitting CF’er Melky Cabrera.

    IT WAS NEVER FOR THEM !!!!

    It was Kennedy, Wang and Tabata

    part 2 was Hughes and Melky plus Jackson (in other reports)

    NO ONE DOES THAT !!

    Now for Liriano that’s a different story.

  133. bigjf August 9th, 2008 at 2:40 am

    Michelle blah blah blah blah blah,

    Go jump off a bridge and land on your family.

  134. Matthew August 9th, 2008 at 2:40 am

    There is no way this kid starts on Wed night.

    No way they give away another game.

  135. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 2:41 am

    Roberto-
    Aceves probably would have gotten the call instead of Kennedy, but he has struggled since getting to SWB.

  136. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 9th, 2008 at 2:41 am

    JOET I agree, if he owned up to his suckyness and said I sucked, my pitches didn’t go where I wanted them to and they killed me, which is what a good team should do. I know that I have to work on keeping my pitches down, cause I can’t pitch like that and be successful against anyone. Than I think most would say give him another start. (especially given the lack of pitching depth). But when he won’t even own up to his poor performance, we’d rather see anyone up here pitching. Like others have said, I’d rather see rasner get another start. He has heart, you know it kills him to not pitch well.

  137. Dave D August 9th, 2008 at 2:41 am

    R23 – Certainly can’t be worse than Kennedy. Infact, Igawa actually lasted 3 innings against a better offense.

  138. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 2:42 am

    “Kennedy should be on the Twins right now. With their 220 hitting CF’er Melky Cabrera.

    Santana would have put up 7 innings tonight and 2 runs and left 6 outs for Marte-Veras-Mo

    Cashman will be fired for that call”

    Who says Santana locks down the halos anyway? In case you missed it his velocity and overall numbers are down in the NL. Also you fail to mention Hughes being in that deal and
    I still have a bit of faith that he can succeed. Santana at the end of his deal will be a shell of his Minnesota years still making 20 mil plus a season I’d rather give that money to CC this offseason.

  139. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 2:42 am

    someone called WFAN calling for Chase Wright.. I guess the thanks goes to me. :)

  140. Bombshell August 9th, 2008 at 2:42 am

    “Michelle blah blah blah blah blah,

    Go jump off a bridge and land on your family.”

    Dude relax, such a dumb thing to say. Act like an adult.

  141. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 2:42 am

    The trade was Hughes-Kennedy-Melky for Santana.

    So basically it was Hughes for Santana.

    Tough call.

    The Yanks thought so little of Tabata, btw, they traded him.

  142. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 2:43 am

    g franco,

    i’m not disagreeing with you. i’m saying the situation in which kennedy was called up shouldn’t matter. the kid’s been running his mouth about belonging in the bigs for months. tonight he had the chance to prove that he did, in fact, belong.

    he did not do so. and then, to add insult to injury, he acted as if he’d hurled seven solid innings.

    i’ll pass, thanks. kid can either learn how to get hitters out or take responsibility for not being able to do so. either one would be a marked improvement over who/what he is right now.

  143. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 9th, 2008 at 2:43 am

    jim, check out yesnetwork.com the interview should be up at some point.

    Also, I agree he should have punched his ticket out of the farm, but you don’t sell low, they’d get garbage for him right now. He has to build up some stock value, than you get rid of him.

  144. Theresa August 9th, 2008 at 2:43 am

    trisha,

    Now I understand, guess I got a little confused. I didn’t think you would do that. BTW, I totally agree with what you said. I guess when you hear athletes talk about the mental part of the game, it’s stuff like this they’re talking about. Anyway, last nights game is history. I’m thinking positive thoughts that the Giese/Lackey mathchup will turn out similiar to the Razz/Lackey one last Sunday.

  145. Michelle b. (X is the new Black!) JoeT has my vote for comment of the night August 9th, 2008 at 2:44 am

    bombshell,

    thanks for the back up! i love people who come here once a week, talk about how sad they are, and then proceed to bag on everybody else and their mothers….

  146. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    Anybody wish the we would have kept 2 of the pitchers in the Pirates deal and sent Kennedy instead?

  147. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    Santana’s stuff is soooo bad he has 160 ips and has let up 140 hits with 135 k’s. To go along with a tidy 2.85 ERA.

    Hughes MAY, one day, god willing, hope, be half as good.

    Stop buying the loss of stuff for Johan. Hughes would kill for his fastball and location and changeup.

  148. JoeT 28 in 09!! MOOSE FOR HOF, MO FOR CY YOUNG YANKS FOR PLAYOFFS!! August 9th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    well here’s some good news… Kennedy sucking + being a head case could be more of a reason to go after CC in the off season.

    Just trying to find some good out of this. I’m going to sleep tomorrow is another day and I feel like anything I can possibly say out of frustration will be said by somebody else anyway.

    Good night all

    PITCH PAVANO!!

  149. Dave D August 9th, 2008 at 2:46 am

    I want to hear Jerome from Manhattan after today’s loss.

  150. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 2:46 am

    I wish that pirate deal could have left us Karstens and instead put in IPK.

  151. Nate August 9th, 2008 at 2:47 am

    Kennedy has stunk all year. Who thought tonight would be any different?

    Him and Melkman should be in different uniforms but now that can’t happen. They couldn’t get a batting glove for either one.

  152. Michelle b. (X is the new Black!) JoeT has my vote for comment of the night August 9th, 2008 at 2:47 am

    I think geise will do well tomorrow, or at least good enough to keep us close. Hopefully the offense doesnt have a meltdown.

    Anyone who watched the post game, did girardi mention who might be coming up for bullpen help, since britton pitched tonight at swb.

  153. Vin August 9th, 2008 at 2:48 am

    Pete’s head is going to spin.

    Pavano and Igawa pitching us to the playoffs.

  154. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 9th, 2008 at 2:48 am

    Hopefully we wake up tomorrow and find out that Cash Flipped his lid and send Kennedy down to A ball (won’t happen, but you get the picture) and they bring up a more deserving player.

  155. Bombshell August 9th, 2008 at 2:48 am

    Unfortunately hindsight is 20/20 Pokey, you win some you lose some in sports. We just have to find a way to either help this kid’s career with some sports psychology or something or get him out of our system when he reaches a decent stock value.

    Michelle – no problem, just need some common sense in here and none of the ridiculous personal attacks.

  156. fester August 9th, 2008 at 2:49 am

    I can’t believe anyone with two brain cells would say they wouldn’t want Santana in pinstripes right now. Hughes better win 200 games in a Yank uni. Because we have seen how good the other guys are.

  157. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 9th, 2008 at 2:49 am

    michelle, no mention of it, no one asked ( or yes didn’t air it).

    Seems to me they will have to make a move, my candidate ian (obviously) :lol:

  158. Noonan August 9th, 2008 at 2:49 am

    You’re telling me we can’t get anyone better on waivers? At least someone even as crappy as Paul Byrd would keep us in a game.

    If it was up to me, IPK would never put on pinstripes until mid-next season, and that’s if he gets his act together.

  159. Bombshell August 9th, 2008 at 2:49 am

    “I want to hear Jerome from Manhattan after today’s loss.”

    Haha oh boy that would be entertaining.

  160. miggs (NO to Teixeira) (Please ban the Hair Dresser) August 9th, 2008 at 2:49 am

    OK Trisha sounds good I’ll email Pete.

    I just can’t get past that postgame interview. I know its been beaten to death here but that stupid grin/smirk on his face, his body language, and his “its no big deal” demeanor just rubbed me the wrong way.

    I loved this guy when he came up last year. I hoped Cash wouldn’t trade him over the winter. Now I’m just totally sour on him. When you only give your team 2 innings and you kill the bullpen then you didn’t make “quality pitches”, you stunk and you let your team down. You can still have quiet confidence but just admit you didn’t pitch well and you’ll try and improve next time. That’s really all you can ask for.

    But I can see this guy going out tonight with all his family and friends, partying and pretending like everything is ok.

    Hey, the Yankees gave this guy a huge signing bonus. It just seems like he isn’t hungry. He doesn’t seem to want to get better. And I think that is what bothers everyone.

  161. JJ August 9th, 2008 at 2:50 am

    Get Paul Byrd. At least he would compete out there. Washburn too.

  162. North August 9th, 2008 at 2:50 am

    Wow… Just heard IPK postgame on YES. What an idiot to say the least. He should not be sent on a plane back to Scranton. Give him 100 grand and tell him to take the Greyhoundbusses.

    Any persons performance can only be judged on the level on talent, and Ians talent is right now not good enough. Bad pitcher..bad results. But it is totally inexucable not to care about it. Look Ian… you are on a team. You are not an individual athlete.

    Maybe the Yankees should ask my fellow countryman B.S. Christiansen, who is a former Ranger in the danish military. He now works as a teamcoach on the danish cyclingteam CSC(the best in the world. The Tour de France Winner is on that team). This team,condyts several teamboulding events, and the results are impressing. Even though cycling is an individual sport they work as a team, and care about each other. They realise that the results get bet when you work as a team. Ian Kennedy does not understand this!

  163. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    “Santana’s stuff is soooo bad he has 160 ips and has let up 140 hits with 135 k’s. To go along with a tidy 2.85 ERA.

    Hughes MAY, one day, god willing, hope, be half as good.

    Stop buying the loss of stuff for Johan. Hughes would kill for his fastball and location and changeup.”

    The velocity drop off is what bugs me about Santana. He went from throwing consistently 94-96 with his fastball now it is strictly 91-93 in the NL! I would rather have CC anyday hes big, strong and you see what he has done to the NL. So what if we dont make the playoffs this season I’d rather have Hughes and CC next year than Santana this year.

  164. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    Jerome from Manhattan: ” I HATE RASNER !!!! HE STINNNNNKS !!!”

  165. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    I hope Giambi takes him to Vegas tonight and buries him in the desert before going to the shake shake.

  166. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 9th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    For those who can’t see it, it is up on yesnetwork

    http://web.yesnetwork.com/medi.....#038;_mp=1

  167. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    Al I got this one

    Santana vs Halos

  168. stuart August 9th, 2008 at 2:52 am

    Kennedy is a 23 yr old goober like most of the idiot posters on this site.. he is clueless and needs someone woth a brain to sit him down and explain life to him..what do you expect look at his peers that post on this site, jsut as stupid, cavalier, and detached from reality as Kennedy.

    He is a classic spoiled little boy who has no clue.. The writers and interviewers are 1 step aheda of him. .WHo do you think you are interviewing a smrt polished adult? The guy is a little boy who has no clue about things..

    Read the posts, trade this guy, trade that guy, this is the stupidity of the generation.. No one takes responsibility for anything. He should have said, I did not do what I needed to do, I am going to work on some things, and expect to do better next time, the end…

  169. Gordo August 9th, 2008 at 2:53 am

    To all who wanted Kennedy and Hughes to stay:

    You are to blame for not winning a title.

    Only reason the Sox are head of us. Lester developed into a #2. Bucky has been average. Hughes was terrible. And we all know that even though IPK pitched well and isn’t upset about it in his own words the results arent there.

  170. Timmy Lupus August 9th, 2008 at 2:53 am

    Enough with the Santana nonsense. IPK, and Melky were NOT going to bring Johan here. Aside from that he’s not even close to worth the money. He has an era, and whip only slighty better than Moose pitching in the weak NL. He’s also given up 19 HR already. He’s aleady on the decline, and not even 30 years old yet. Not trading for him was the right move.

  171. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 2:53 am

    Who was this again ?

  172. stuart August 9th, 2008 at 2:54 am

    shocking some more Santana posts from more spoiled baffoon circa 1996 yankee fans, shocking….

    how about some we need barry bonds posts also??????

  173. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 9th, 2008 at 2:54 am

    “I’m thinking positive thoughts that the Giese/Lackey mathchup will turn out similiar to the Razz/Lackey one last Sunday.”

    I’m thinking the same thing Theresa. Giese certainly has shown a lot of poise and effectiveness on the mound. We sure are being tried right now though, that’s for sure. I read something about a problem with Andy’s elbow but now he is going to start because they need him to.

    Well let’s keep our fingers crossed and hope that maybe we’ll be surprised with another call up for Wednesday!

    Michelle, I don’t think Girardi was asked about a send up but I may have been in a state of shock based on Kennedy’s comments and not heard anything after that!

    :)

  174. YankeesTech August 9th, 2008 at 2:55 am

    Boy did that Randy Johnson dude deliver for us.

  175. Michelle b. (X is the new Black!) JoeT has my vote for comment of the night August 9th, 2008 at 2:55 am

    “Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    I hope Giambi takes him to Vegas tonight and buries him in the desert before going to the shake shake.”

    that was hysterical!!!

  176. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 2:55 am

    You want to pay a 300lb pitcher who is an average athlete 150+? A year after Milwaukee burns out his arm in a pennant race?

    But you don’t want to do it for a great athlete like Santana?

    Gotcha

  177. Timmy Lupus August 9th, 2008 at 2:55 am

    Oh, and Johan is also the guy who gave up a Granny to King Felix, and proceeded to blame David Wright for making the error that extended that inning. He took absolutely zero responsibility for it.

  178. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 2:55 am

    IPK knows that his window for success is passing because next year the rotation will likely include Joba, Hughes, Andy or Moose, Wang and if the Yanks get lucky CC. Also knocking on the door next year will be Humberto Sanchez and Andrew Brackman coming off TJ. IPK knows that he has dug his grave with the Yanks and he figures he might as well be unapologetic about it.

  179. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 2:55 am

    look at where that ball went AL vs NL

  180. Need Pitching August 9th, 2008 at 2:56 am

    IPK, Melky and Hughes would have brought Haren or Santana or even Sabathia.

  181. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 2:57 am

    Brandon,

    You happy with IPK?

    You’d rather him over Johan?

    You’re a joke, pal. Open your eyes.

  182. Timmy Lupus August 9th, 2008 at 2:57 am

    Haha Brandon, see my two posts above.

  183. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 2:57 am

    R23 I bet you CC Sabathia is going to pass Johan Santana in pitching. Don’t you’ll shut up when we sign CC in the offseason :)

  184. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 2:57 am

    Al,
    I thought that Sanchez and Brackman were going to be bullpen guys.

  185. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 2:58 am

    You really think IPK could get King Felix out????

    Who would make that bet?

  186. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 2:58 am

    “Just think. We could have got Haren or Santana for this scrub.

    How didn’t they know he’s barely a 5th starter?

    That is what scares me most about this whole thing

    Our front office has to be 100% right on evaluating our own players”

    You really are an idiot if you think Kennedy was going to net Haren or Santana.

  187. Timmy Lupus August 9th, 2008 at 2:58 am

    Brandon,

    You happy with IPK?

    You’d rather him over Johan?

    You’re a joke, pal. Open your eyes.”

    Enough with the Santana nonsense. IPK, and Melky were NOT going to bring Johan here. Aside from that he’s not even close to worth the money. He has an era, and whip only slighty better than Moose pitching in the weak NL. He’s also given up 19 HR already. He’s aleady on the decline, and not even 30 years old yet. Not trading for him was the right move.

    Open YOUR eyes.

  188. Guiseppe Franco August 9th, 2008 at 2:59 am

    Why do people keep saying the Yanks could have had Santana if he had given up Kennedy and Melky?

    That’s absolutely not true.

    The Yanks would’ve had to include Wang or Hughes as the centerpiece of the deal.

    Kennedy was NEVER the centerpiece of any deal.

    Cashman himself said on M&MD back in April (because they asked him specifically who the Twins wanted) and he told them that Melky was part of both deals but either Hughes or Wang had to be the centerpiece.

    Anyone who thinks Kennedy and Melky plus other minor prospects would have been enough to get Santana is 100% wrong.

    The Twins weren’t that crazy.

  189. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 3:00 am

    “You want to pay a 300lb pitcher who is an average athlete 150+? A year after Milwaukee burns out his arm in a pennant race?

    But you don’t want to do it for a great athlete like Santana?

    Gotcha”

    Sabathia pitched a complete game today.

    It took him 103 pitches.

    At no point have the Brewers pushed him to ‘uh oh’ degrees on the pitch counts. I’ve seen no evidence of his mechanics faltering due to fatigue.

    The d00d is a horse.

  190. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 3:00 am

    When IPK or Hughes can go more than 5 innings they can be compared to a guy like Santana. Please spare yourselves the embarrassment. Hughes MAY be good one day. So what? We got loads of young talented RP’s coming up in the system.

  191. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 3:00 am

    santana’s numbers vs the halos aren’t the issue here.

    the issue is cashman, the organization, and the majority of yankee fans had gone so long without an honest-to-god prospect, they overvalued nearly every player worth a d*** in the yankees system, and a few players (kennedy, melky) who aren’t worth a d***.

    this team’s farm system was so bone dry for so long, they forgot that the odds of a prospect actually panning out are long at best. the odds of THREE pitchers (joba, hughes, kennedy) living up to expectations are laughably astronomical.

    the santana trade could easily have been a disaster. the guy’s velocity has dropped and he would have cost the yankees a ton of money. not making the trade still stands as a smart move, financially speaking. however, putting that much faith in so many kids was foolish.

  192. Disher August 9th, 2008 at 3:01 am

    What the heck does “d00d” mean?

    Tech geek.

  193. Raven August 9th, 2008 at 3:01 am

    Didn’t Igawa say something like this?

  194. YankeesTech August 9th, 2008 at 3:01 am

    Overpay for Johan if you will but I will take my chances on Phil Hughes for much less money. I am tired of Randy Johnson/Sheffield signings.

  195. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 9th, 2008 at 3:02 am

    Night all.

  196. stuart August 9th, 2008 at 3:02 am

    yeah AL from BK, The brain surgeon Kennedy thinks what you posted..

    I am not sure if he thinks let alone as conniving and manipulative as your twisted mind imagines..

    he is just your classic dumb jock like about 80% of the players and 90 % of the posters on this site.. Yeah Kennedy evaluated the whole system and therefore is sabotaging things so he gets traded because he knows he cannot compete.. Man really get a job for the Enquirer or get a life…

  197. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 3:02 am

    Until R23 understands no GM on the other side would have dealt Johan Santana w/ Ian (giggles) Kennedy as the center piece :lol:

    When we get CC next season and he out pitches Santana aka king of the I can’t finish a game in the NL and walk SP while letting one hit one off me. Oh and BTW to think we also keep Hughes is the cherry on top.

  198. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 3:03 am

    No one said IPK would be a centerpiece. He was a piece. Hughes was a center. And he is expendable since we have loads of Right handers coming up.

    We over value everyone of these prospects.

    You get idiots here comparing Melky to Bernie Freakin Williams!

    They think Bret Gardner is a star.

  199. Chobba August 9th, 2008 at 3:03 am

    After a start like that, even Kei Igawa would have admitted he wanted to fight the Angles with the power of 1000 Japanese suns, and dig within the depths of his warrior soul and bathe in the waters of victory.

  200. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 3:03 am

    R23- I never really got the 300lb pitcher complaint about CC. He happens to be a big man about 6’7 and he is phenomenal. David Wells was kind of fat too but we had no qualms giving him the ball every fifth day. CC ia not 35 and going the way of the big unit he is a bonified stud entering his prime. Unless you are paying for his meals at the Country Kitchen Buffet why do you care about his weight. He is a better pitcher than Johan for now and the forseeable future so yes I would like to give a 300lb lardo 150 mil because he deserves it, and the Yanks need him. Santana is a Met get over it.

  201. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 3:03 am

    “When IPK or Hughes can go more than 5 innings they can be compared to a guy like Santana. Please spare yourselves the embarrassment. Hughes MAY be good one day. So what? We got loads of young talented RP’s coming up in the system.”

    Hughes ain’t one of ‘loads of young talented RP’s coming up in the system’.

    Outside of Joba (who just passed him in 2007), he is the MOST talented pitcher in the system. One of the most talented pitchers his age in all of baseball.

  202. Craig NY August 9th, 2008 at 3:04 am

    “Overpay for Johan if you will but I will take my chances on Phil Hughes for much less money. I am tired of Randy Johnson/Sheffield signings.”

    He’s tired of making the playoffs.

  203. Guiseppe Franco August 9th, 2008 at 3:04 am

    People also have to understand that the non-Santana deal was made for the long term benefits of sticking with the kids.

    It had nothing to do with 2008. It was about 2009 and beyond.

  204. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 3:04 am

    “Why do people keep saying the Yanks could have had Santana if he had given up Kennedy and Melky?”

    is anybody saying that? i’ve missed a few posts. I’M saying hughes-kennedy-melky for santana doesn’t look so one-sided at this point considering hughes has yet to pan out (still hope) and kennedy and cabrera have been downright putrid this year.

    i don’t think cc’s coming to new york. i think he stays in the NL.

  205. RockinDaBronx August 9th, 2008 at 3:04 am

    da last time dis nitwit went down, he had stupid parting remarks, now he’s back, takes a dump on the field and calls it a good effort. Get of of this Archie comic book looking clown already.

  206. Mattingly's Bat August 9th, 2008 at 3:05 am

    Some of you are like a dog with a bone about Santana.

    Let it go!!!!

  207. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 3:05 am

    He was a piece. Hughes was a center. And he is expendable since we have loads of Right handers coming up.

    See that’s the problem you think Hughes is a bum. I wouldn’t deal him for Johan especially w/ Johan having declining years at a high price. That’s all I can add to that. If you love Johan go to Shea and SHADDUP

  208. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 3:05 am

    What guarantee do we have that CC signs here???

    We could walk away in January overpaying for Sheets or Burnett or God knows who else.

    And we will end up paying them more than Santana who btw is never hurt. and is lefty in Yankee Stadium.

  209. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 3:05 am

    Stuart, you are a troll.

  210. Timmy Lupus August 9th, 2008 at 3:05 am

    Once again R23 I’m not comparing IPK to Johan in ability. He IS on the decline, and once again his whip, and era are only slightly better than the Moose. Johan is 29, and pitching in the NL Moose is 39 and pitching in the AL. What do you think Johans numbers would look like this year in the AL. How about 4 years down the road when he’s still making 20 Mil +. He is still a very good pitcher, but not the ace he once was.

  211. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 3:06 am

    Stuart- Your a tool who only shows up after losses(troll).

    Pokey- Brackman is going to be a starter, Sanchez perhaps.

  212. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 3:07 am

    I would not be surprised if Sabathia signs elsewhere, even if the Yankees being the highest bidder. However, I do thinkt he Yankees will be the highest bidder.

  213. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 3:07 am

    What has Hughes done to say he’ll even be half as good as Johan is?

    Why not take from the one strength our system has, talented right hand pitchers, and turn it into an ace?

    We have more Hughes’ on the way. He’s not Joba. Joba is our talent. Hughes is more than expendable.

    His stuff is good but not great. He has no 3rd pitch.

    Joba’s development made him expendable.

  214. Guiseppe Franco August 9th, 2008 at 3:08 am

    We also need to keep in mind that Theo did not bite in the Santana trade because he would’ve had to give up Clay Buchholz.

    And Buchholz has had a terrible season in his own right.

    Cashman wasn’t the only one who didn’t want to give up his prized youngster for a pitcher like Santana whose best days are behind him.

    He’s in his first season in an inferior league and his velocity is down, his K totals are down, and his HR totals are going up.

    That’s not a good combination for a guy who just signed a seven year deal.

  215. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 3:09 am

    kennedy was “the next mussina. a solid number three, at least.”

    melky was “a five-tool future superstar.”

    hughes was/is “a future ace.”

    and then people are shocked when reality sets in and kennedy’s a AAAA pitcher, melky’s an adequate fourth outfielder and hughes hasn’t yet proven himself (he certainly may do so).

  216. R23 August 9th, 2008 at 3:10 am

    Lupus,

    Why is he on a decline? Because his fastball is 94 and not 96?

    He has more than enough stuff to be dominant for years. Have you not watched Andy and Moose win with stuff not half as good as Santana.

    The wait for CC and just pay him is a nice plan but we need 2 to tango.

    And one thing about Santana. He wanted to pitch in NY. We have all seen how important that is.

    Tough night for all of us. Giese comes thru tomorrow and shows IPK what pitching is. Nite all.

  217. YankeesTech August 9th, 2008 at 3:10 am

    Craig NY, Funny you mention that since those two players were key contributors to reasons why we have been a first round exit playoff team over the years.

  218. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 3:10 am

    CC going elsewhere would be a bummer but if he does go elsewhere it’ll probably be an NL club. The Yanks would want to hang themselves if they let CC go to an AL contender. I would consider Burnett his strike out numbers are insane and hes a max effort gamer kind of guy I like that and we could probably get him for less years.

  219. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 3:11 am

    “What has Hughes done to say he’ll even be half as good as Johan is?

    Why not take from the one strength our system has, talented right hand pitchers, and turn it into an ace?

    We have more Hughes’ on the way. He’s not Joba. Joba is our talent. Hughes is more than expendable.

    His stuff is good but not great. He has no 3rd pitch.

    Joba’s development made him expendable.”

    The non-trade was not about 2008.

    It wasn’t about 2009.

    It wasn’t about 2010.

    It was about 2008-2015.

    By the end of that contract, the Mets are going to be begging to get out of it. It’s way too long.

    Hughes ‘has no 3rd pitch’? That’s news to me. Probably news to the Yankees and Hughes, too.

  220. Mackinson August 9th, 2008 at 3:12 am

    I’m with Kasey and R23.

    Prospects are fools gold. We were suckered because we haven’t had a good prospect since Jeter. Cano and Wang weren’t hyped and came out of nowhere.

    Joba is the real deal. We should be lucky we got one who is a star. We should have turned these other into another great starter.

  221. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 3:13 am

    We’ve had some great prospects since Jeter… we just traded them for aging vets until 2 seasons ago.

  222. Timmy Lupus August 9th, 2008 at 3:14 am

    Why is he on the decline? Because his whip is steadily increasing his K numbers are down, and he’s giving up more, and more HRs. This is in an inferior league. If you need any proof about NL inferiority take a look at CCs numbers since going to the NL. He makes those teams look like little leaguers, and he’s not exactly Koufax.

  223. YankeesTech August 9th, 2008 at 3:14 am

    Moose and Andy are having great in the case of Moose and a decent season in the case of andy but they aren’t “dominant” by any stretch of the imagination. Book it…. A few years from now we will be talking about how bad a contract the mets have on their hands while we enjoy Hughes starts.

  224. Brian in 702 August 9th, 2008 at 3:14 am

    first, IPK is an idiot and needs to go. He is a AAA pitcher at best.

    but this whole we should have dealt the three kids for Johan argument is a little Monday morning QBing. The pre-96 Yankee fans (which is a lot of you) don’t remember the heat and grief George and the rest of the Yankee hierarchy took in the 80′s and 90′s for trading the kids away for veterans.

    Drabek, Buhner, McGee, and McGriff among others were dealt away for names like Barfield, Phelps, Sanderson and Trout and the Yankees while good (sometimes) never won anything!

    but after his IDIOTIC comments tonight, send IPK to Pittsburgh for a bag of balls and a 6 pack of Iron City.

  225. John H. August 9th, 2008 at 3:14 am

    Did he forget about the LONG fly balls that JUST missed being homeruns? What a fool.

  226. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 3:14 am

    I just love when certain new names show up to stir up controversy(especially tired BS arguments like the Santana deal) and then disappear never to be seen or heard from again. Oh wait these people do have names they are called trolls!

  227. yankeenate August 9th, 2008 at 3:14 am

    Not sure what to make of this Kennedy kid or whether to be more troubled by his performance or the remarks about his performance. i really dont get his comments.

    i think some of the veteran players need to take him out back and give him a reason to be upset

  228. Brian in 702 August 9th, 2008 at 3:15 am

    i meant to say post 96 fans

  229. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 3:15 am

    I love this ‘Hughes is nothing special’.

    Phil Hughes, as of the beginning of 2007, was THE BEST PITCHING PROSPECT IN BASEBALL.

    His injury in 2007 (and being in the majors = no longer a ‘prospect’) negated that somewhat.

    If he gets back to pre-2007 injury form (and it appears he’s doing so), he’s going to be damn good. Remember that near no-hitter that he got hurt in? That’s his talent.

    Four seamer @ 93-95
    Two seamer @ 91-93
    Learning a cutter @ ~88
    Changeup @ ~82
    1-7 Curveball @ ~78

    And, what made him a top prospect, his mechanics are excellent.

  230. Chobba August 9th, 2008 at 3:15 am

    Hughes post-season record: 1-0
    Santana’s post-season record: 1-3

  231. Craig NY August 9th, 2008 at 3:15 am

    Someone Else,

    This is the same team that pays 5 mill to a AAA starter and paid 26 mill to just bring him here.

    They pay 10 mill a yr to a guy rehabbing in Tampa every yr.

    Why would they care if they are paying 17-20 mill a yr to a great lefty pitcher?

    Even if he stinks which is probably not going to happen does it even matter? Would it effect how they do business at any point?

    Santana isn’t Zito here. And 4 prime yrs are worth 3 average yrs at the back end.

    That’s the market nowadays. Carlos Silva gets 11million a yr!

  232. Brian in 702 August 9th, 2008 at 3:16 am

    just think where the Yanks would be if Moose wasn’t pitching the way he has been.

    need to win tommorrow

  233. Lance August 9th, 2008 at 3:17 am

    Edwin Jackson was the best pitching prospect in baseball in 2005. Homer Bailey in 2006. Those lists are littered with suspects and failures.

    Just because some publications say prospects are good doesn’t mean they are.

  234. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 3:17 am

    “I’m with Kasey and R23.

    Prospects are fools gold. We were suckered because we haven’t had a good prospect since Jeter. Cano and Wang weren’t hyped and came out of nowhere.

    Joba is the real deal. We should be lucky we got one who is a star. We should have turned these other into another great starter.”

    And yet, Joba wouldn’t have been Joba if the Yankees would have considered themselves to be ‘lucky’ to have Wang, and dealt him. The July 31, 2007 talk was Joba+Hughes for Santana.

  235. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 3:17 am

    I am real anxious for Hughes next start, I hope it is on MLBTV.

  236. Lance August 9th, 2008 at 3:17 am

    One thing IPK did for Hughes?

    He put a ton of pressure on him. Good bud.

  237. Brandon (Jetes GIDP count: *19) (Starting to believe Arod will never win a championship ) (Johan HR watch:*19) August 9th, 2008 at 3:18 am

    Johan’s fastball is at 94 instead 96 ? Dude his fastball is at 91 mph in year 1 of his contract. 91 mph. The other game he was topiing out at 92 mph..That’s not a good investment.

  238. ranger11 August 9th, 2008 at 3:18 am

    I was wrong about Kennedy. I wanted him over Rasner and Ponson. This season seems like its going to end with a series of Plans B, C, D, and so on.

  239. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 3:18 am

    i want to be clear about two things.

    1) i’m not saying the yankees should have pulled the trigger on the santana deal. that contract’s huge and you’re basically paying for 2-3 years of “the” santana. i’m saying kennedy and cabrera have been terrible, which negates the “the yankees would be giving up too much” side of that conversation. you want to talk about being financially hamstrung or not getting enough out of santana to justify the money, that’s one thing, but hughes, kennedy and cabrera for johan santana? just on talent alone, tell me how the yankees are giving up too much there.

    2) i’m all for cashman’s intent on building from within. i’m just saying, the yankees have been without prospects so long, they forgot how rarely they turn out. it’s a shame, but live and learn. ian kennedy and melky cabrera oughta be a pretty good crash course in overvaluing your talent.

  240. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 3:19 am

    Brandon,
    And something tells me he isn’t smart enough to change his approach as his velocity decreases like Maddux did.

  241. Lance August 9th, 2008 at 3:19 am

    “And yet, Joba wouldn’t have been Joba if the Yankees would have considered themselves to be ‘lucky’ to have Wang, and dealt him. The July 31, 2007 talk was Joba+Hughes for Santana.”

    That’s not true at all.

    Just because the Twins wanted Joba doesn’t mean the Yanks would even consider moving him. Just like I’m sure teams asked the DOdgers for Kershaw in every trade.

    Every team wanted Joba last July. Tex asked for him for Gagne.

  242. Brian in 702 August 9th, 2008 at 3:19 am

    Craig,

    what difference does it make how much they paid? are you writing the checks.

    A=Rod makes 25 MIL a year and yet makes outs 7 times out of every 10 times he comes up.

    money doesn’t win championships

  243. YankeesTech August 9th, 2008 at 3:20 am

    Boy that James Shields only throws around the low 90′s… why on earth do the devil rays even consider putting him into rotation (Sacajawea ends now)

  244. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 3:20 am

    “Edwin Jackson was the best pitching prospect in baseball in 2005. Homer Bailey in 2006. Those lists are littered with suspects and failures.

    Just because some publications say prospects are good doesn’t mean they are.”

    Why, exactly, do you have to change your Name to post this? Just use the same friggin name.

    And have Bailey or Jackson done this: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxe.....EX2007.htm

    Bailey and Jackson never had anything remotely close to Hughes’ or Joba’s control of the strike zone. They threw hard.

  245. Chobba August 9th, 2008 at 3:20 am

    Not only should we have gotten Santana, we should get Henderson, Winfield, Kittle, Rhoden (that Drabek sucks), Trout, and it can be 1987 all over again.

  246. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 3:20 am

    Someone Else- You have got some great points. Its almost as if some people forget the Texas no hitter game Hughes hurled last season. He made the Rangers line-up look absolutely silly. Ever since then he has been coming off different injuries. Also see the Cleveland playoff game thats the talent he has when healthy.

  247. Lance August 9th, 2008 at 3:21 am

    “Johan’s fastball is at 94 instead 96 ? Dude his fastball is at 91 mph in year 1 of his contract. 91 mph. The other game he was topiing out at 92 mph..That’s not a good investment.”

    Hughes tops out at 91. He’s 21. So, by the time Hughes is 29 he’ll be throwing 85?

  248. Brian in 702 August 9th, 2008 at 3:22 am

    “Edwin Jackson was the best pitching prospect in baseball in 2005. Homer Bailey in 2006. Those lists are littered with suspects and failures.

    Just because some publications say prospects are good doesn’t mean they are.”

    well said, lance

  249. Timmy Lupus August 9th, 2008 at 3:22 am

    We should all care how much these guys are getting paid. Higher payroll=higher ticket prices/merchandise=more money out of our pockets.

  250. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 3:22 am

    Lance, he’s topping out between 93 and 95.

  251. Lance August 9th, 2008 at 3:23 am

    And Jackson and Bailey were on top of the charts in every publication just like Hughes.

    Hughes is solid but don’t make him out to be Joba. And, Someone Else, my name is Lance. Like it has been for 33 years.

  252. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 3:23 am

    “That’s not true at all.

    Just because the Twins wanted Joba doesn’t mean the Yanks would even consider moving him. Just like I’m sure teams asked the DOdgers for Kershaw in every trade.

    Every team wanted Joba last July. Tex asked for him for Gagne.”

    I’m not saying what the Yankees would have done, but what it would have taken.

    The Yankees weren’t going to do Hughes+Joba at 7/31/07. They weren’t going to do Hughes over the winter.

    They (and I) considered Hughes and Joba to be equivalently good.

    Let the guy get healthy – I won’t be surprised if he has a better 2009 ERA than Joba, when all is said and done.

  253. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 3:23 am

    “Johan’s fastball is at 94 instead 96 ? Dude his fastball is at 91 mph in year 1 of his contract. 91 mph. The other game he was topiing out at 92 mph..That’s not a good investment.”

    Thank You Brandon I am glad someone took their head out of their a$$ enough to notice that he throws 91-92/93 tops when he used to fire it frequently at 96.

  254. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 3:24 am

    Not to mention Timmy that higher payroll, especially with long term deals equals less long term flexibility.

  255. Lance August 9th, 2008 at 3:24 am

    Pokey,

    I doubt the guns at Scranton.

    I trust my own eyes from seeing him in person and on tv the past 2 years. I never once saw him even touch that 95 mark.

  256. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 3:24 am

    “And Jackson and Bailey were on top of the charts in every publication just like Hughes.

    Hughes is solid but don’t make him out to be Joba. And, Someone Else, my name is Lance. Like it has been for 33 years.”

    Can you show me these publications?

    Because I didn’t see a single one that had Bailey over Hughes, at any point.

  257. Lance August 9th, 2008 at 3:25 am

    Hughes is good but he’s not on Joba’s level.

    Come on.

  258. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 3:25 am

    “Hughes tops out at 91. He’s 21. So, by the time Hughes is 29 he’ll be throwing 85?”

    Umm. Hughes was topping out at 95 yesterday I watched his game on MLBTV and thats coming off of an injury. Who ever told you that he threw 91 was wrong.

  259. jimmy1138 August 9th, 2008 at 3:26 am

    If Igawa says something like that he gets blasted in this blog.
    If Kennedy says it he’s compared to Jeter and Rivera…

  260. Brian in 702 August 9th, 2008 at 3:26 am

    the fact of the matter is Hughes is an unknown. He hasn’t put together a long enough track record. Sure you could point to the playoffs in Clev OR the Texas no hitter but then others can point to the back to back starts in Boston and Baltimore this year.

    he needs to stay healthy which is something the man hasn’t done for 2 years… fluke injuries or not

  261. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 3:26 am

    I am going to go with Contreras when he says that was what he is topping out at.

  262. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 3:26 am

    “Pokey,

    I doubt the guns at Scranton.

    I trust my own eyes from seeing him in person and on tv the past 2 years. I never once saw him even touch that 95 mark.”

    Ignore the Scranton guns. Pay attention to the scouts guns (Yankees and non-Yankees). All agree he was throwing 93-95 at Scranton.

    Why do you believe the YES gun, but not the Scranton or Yankees scouts’ guns? (or, can you tell 93 from 95 by sight alone?)

    I watched his Scranton performance on MiLB.com – I haven’t seen that zip on his fastball since before the hamstring injury.

  263. ranger11 August 9th, 2008 at 3:27 am

    I remember those pre-95 Yankee teams. It was a given every year that things would start to collapse in August. They missed the playoffs for 14 years straight and since then I think it has been about 13 or 14 years of making it. This season is starting to feel a little like 87 or 88 to me.

  264. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 3:27 am

    Jimmy,
    We’ve been killing IPK all night.

  265. Someone Else August 9th, 2008 at 3:28 am

    “Hughes is good but he’s not on Joba’s level.

    Come on.”

    Based on what?

    A partial year of evidence?

    Based on partial evidence, I could tell you that Jeff Karstens is better than Andy Pettitte.

    That’s ridiculous.

    Feel free to jump on the bandwagon next year when he’s making hitters look silly, though.

  266. Lance August 9th, 2008 at 3:28 am

    http://www.minorleaguebaseball.....?content=1

    I hate embarrassing you and showing you up but you should check the facts before you post nonsense, Someone Else.

  267. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 3:29 am

    Also the velocity issue should be dropped. Hughes is not a Joba type blow you away guy those kinds of pitchers are very rare. However he is great in his own way he has great fastball placement with a 91-94 fastball, also he has a tremendous curve that lives off of his fastball location and he is developing more pitches to fit his arsenal the guy is frickin 21!

  268. Chobba August 9th, 2008 at 3:29 am

    I love how the doubters and farm sellers hang their hat on homegrown championships and players.

    Yankees = Awesome

    50% of Yankee fans = complete morons

  269. Brian in 702 August 9th, 2008 at 3:30 am

    another myth

    higher payroll=higher ticket prices

    if this was true the Yanks wouldn’t have doubled their ticket prices in 08 and double them again in 09

    or are they going to have a 400 million dollar payroll in 2010?

  270. Lance August 9th, 2008 at 3:30 am

    Why is Joba on another level?

    DO you watch them pitch? It’s stuff. Joba has better, much better, pure stuff than Hughes. Hughes has to be perfect. Joba can rare back and miss and still not get touched. Hence his ERA under 3.

  271. kasey August 9th, 2008 at 3:32 am

    “since before the hamstring injury”

    let’s hope we’re not still looking back on that time as hughes’ glory days a year from now.

  272. Ott August 9th, 2008 at 3:33 am

    Hughes has better turn out to be good because Cashman bet his job on it.

  273. Pokey August 9th, 2008 at 3:33 am

    Lance,
    You have to remember that there are different types of “stuff”, like there is early Smoltz stuff (Joba) and there is early Maddux stuff (Hughes).

  274. Al from BK (this Kennedy kid needs to cut the malarchy!) August 9th, 2008 at 3:33 am

    “the fact of the matter is Hughes is an unknown. He hasn’t put together a long enough track record. Sure you could point to the playoffs in Clev OR the Texas no hitter but then others can point to the back to back starts in Boston and Baltimore this year.

    he needs to stay healthy which is something the man hasn’t done for 2 years… fluke injuries or not”

    I am convinced that Hughes was injured for most of his starts this year and that he was altering his delivery to combat the pain. He even said on Mike and the Dog that he felt something between his first and second start and he thought it was something less severe like an oblique or lat. His first start was pretty good his next 5 dreadful coincidence I think not.

  275. Remy's August 9th, 2008 at 3:33 am

    “since before the hamstring injury”

    let’s hope we’re not still looking back on that time as hughes’ glory days a year from now.

    Good point.

  276. Brian in 702 August 9th, 2008 at 3:34 am

    ranger,

    what pre95 Yankee teams collapsed?

    94 strike
    93 they finished 2nd or 3rd and were up and coming under Buck but they never really challenged Toronto

    92 same as 93

    90-91 forget it, they were BAD!

  277. Guiseppe Franco August 9th, 2008 at 3:34 am

    I trust my own eyes from seeing him in person and on tv the past 2 years. I never once saw him even touch that 95 mark.

    Lance,

    We’re not talking about the scoreboard gun. He was clocked in the 94-95 MPH range several times the other night by the scouts’ guns and he was sitting around 92-93 MPH the rest of the night.

    They weren’t relying on the scoreboard guns for their analysis on his performance.

  278. Lance August 9th, 2008 at 3:35 am

    My point exactly Pokey.

    Guys like Joba and Smoltz have better pure stuff and can make more mistakes and can miss location because of it.

    Maddux, Mussina and Hughes have to be nearly perfect. They have to hit their spots exact. They can’t make mistakes up in the zone.

    Hopefully, Hughes is good enough to be included with those two artists.

  279. Lance August 9th, 2008 at 3:36 am

    We’ll find out, cross your fingers, in 10 days what Hughes is hitting and how his velocity is when he’s in da Bronx.

    I hope I’m wrong. I don’t mind being wrong.

  280. Brian in 702 August 9th, 2008 at 3:37 am

    lance,

    Joba and Smoltz can’t make mistakes up in the zone either

  281. Q Bert August 9th, 2008 at 3:38 am

    I don’t care about what hughes is throwing. We need him to win games. Just win baby.

  282. Lance August 9th, 2008 at 3:39 am

    Smoltz and Joba and guys of that ilk can make mistakes that guys with less stuff can’t.

    Obviously, they can’t do it a lot because they’ll pay but they can.

    A power fastball with movement and some giddyup cures a lot of location issues.

  283. Brian in 702 August 9th, 2008 at 3:41 am

    yes but a slider up from Moose or Joba to most AL hitters will end up in the seats

  284. ranger11 August 9th, 2008 at 3:42 am

    I think it was 87 and 88. It was in 87 that they had the lead at the all-star break and George went out and got Trout to win Lou the pennant. In 88 they got off to a great start with Billy and he got fired in June and they went into a slide for the rest of the year. I remember a back page in the Daily News with the NY logo crumbling down. I’m kind of showing my age with this.

  285. Brian in 702 August 9th, 2008 at 3:47 am

    in 88 they were in first place until game#67
    in 87 they were last in 1st place after game #109

    i think a collapse is what the Mets did last year or the Angels in 1995 or the 78 Sawx

    you can’t collapse with 1/4 of the season or more left

  286. Brian in 702 August 9th, 2008 at 3:48 am

    http://www.baseballrace.com/ra.....Normal.asp

  287. ranger11 August 9th, 2008 at 3:53 am

    Maybe not a collapse, but a slow slide. I just remember the last two months of the season not being very fun. Particulary ’83 and ’86 to ’88.

  288. Tom K August 9th, 2008 at 3:59 am

    First off, Hughes does not need to be “perfect” to be effective. Using that theory, you are saying everyone other than the elite power pitchers need to be perfect to be effective – that isn’t true at all.

    What Joba can do is special – the fact that he can miss the target and throw a straight 98-MPH fastball right down the middle of the plate and get away with it is not something 99% of pitchers can do.

    But to say Hughes “needs to be perfect” in my opinion is misleading. Again, 99% of pitchers in baseball cannot get away with simply leaving a fastball down the middle; this doesn’t mean they need to be perfect. This just means that throwing a fastball down the middle of the plate isn’t very smart.

    Hughes has enough movement (and generated enough groundballs) where he doesn’t need to spot the fastball perfectly. Also, his curveball can be a devastating pitch that can allow him to get away with less-than-perfect fastballs. See, it’s not just about how hard you throw the fastball; it’s about how much command you have of everything else. And the Hughes that the scouts saw in the minors (and we saw when he first came up last year and vs. Cleveland) had command of everything else. Once you prove to major leaguers that you can get that big curve in the strikezone, the fastball all of a sudden becomes much less vulnerable to mistakes.

    Now, earlier this year, Hughes had bad command of his breaking stuff…especially his signature curveball. Who knows what the reason is; but since the curve is such a “feel” pitch, one figures that eventually (if he didn’t get hurt), he’d gain that command back. He’s still working on that command in the minors..as well as learning how to throw a cutter so that he can scrap his slider.

    Hughes has a lot to offer – he is a better package than Homer Bailey, regardless of the rankings. This doesn’t mean Hughes will definitely turn around; he may not. He may become one of the biggest disappointments in Yankees history…a mere footnote. But I’d much rather the Yankees find that out for themselves than have some other organization find that out.

  289. Brian in 702 August 9th, 2008 at 4:13 am

    ah yes the 1983 Yankees

    the Bronx Burners!

    gotta love us pre95ers

  290. Hybrid Moments August 9th, 2008 at 4:58 am

    God you people are dumb. What’s he supposed to say? “I suck”? 2 of those runs can be pinned on Damon and Cabrera in the first inning and two more can be attributed to horrible fielding by Damon and Nady. Kennedy didn’t pitch well but stop acting like he got rocked. He gave up a bunch of bleeders and was screwed by his defense too.

  291. SportsMed221 August 9th, 2008 at 5:42 am

    Kennedy reminds me of our Japanese friend Igawa after he completely bombed and played it off to the media as a successful outing and stating “that’s just baseball”. What are they teaching the young pitchers in the minors. Kennedy has proved himself to be a career minor league pitcher especially with the mentality that he showed in his post game interview. Trade this guy for someone who actually cares about the team. Hopefully we won’t see anything like this from Phil Hughes when he returns. If I was Cash or Girardi – I’d out right release Kennedy and make an example of him – because he might not care but the front office and the coaching staff does.

  292. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 9th, 2008 at 6:40 am

    If this does not motivate Cashman to go out and get us a REAL pitcher,,I don’t know what will….

  293. The Voice of Reason August 9th, 2008 at 7:24 am

    Takes a real special player to succeed in New York. IPK = Mad Magazine; now THAT’S a hoot.

    Weeding through players in order to figure out who HAS it after they’ve been successful elsewhere, that’s a job no GM can do. Pavano pitched well enough prior to coming to NY – that’s not Cashman’s fault.

    I dig Trish’s optimism – SJ’s intelligence and baseball savvy – Kasey’s stark realism.

    Still only 3 back in the wildcard. Back off the ledge, folks. Put the handgun back in the drawer. Close that prescription painkiller container. Let’s Play Ball!

  294. Travis August 9th, 2008 at 7:50 am

    I am very pleased that so many fellow Yankees fans were turned off by IPK’s comments. Absolutely ridiculous! Just a bunch of singles and, what, three doubles? That’s a lot in TWO INNINGS!! I hope he got roughed up in the clubhouse.

  295. co August 9th, 2008 at 7:53 am

    what he said is just like what Igawa said
    I am so sorry for him.

  296. Jorge Steinbrenner (Ian Kennedy is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't) August 9th, 2008 at 8:46 am

    I think that, in Brandon-like manner, I’m amending my screenname to reflect my feelings on this matter.

  297. Money Blanket August 9th, 2008 at 8:57 am

    Which hit should he be held accountable for? The one Cano should have had? The one Jeter’s awful awful defense absolutely should have had and is a crime that it wasn’t an error? The one slider that he threw way down in the zone that Garrett Anderson barely got his bat on? How about the one in front of Nady? Or even the ball that Damon should have had?

    BABip, suckers. Learn it. Kennedy made good pitches but got unlucky where they landed, just as he has all season. If you think that the season comes down to this, you are sorely mistaken. I have said it time and again: the season was over when Wang went down.

  298. NongEyeJon August 9th, 2008 at 9:04 am

    I was getting knocked a couple of weeks ago for stating that Kennedy had an attitude problem and that is why he was down in the minors, and wasn’t on the fast-track back. You think he’d be here if there wasn’t an injury to Joba and Wang?

    I think not. This is the reason this kid is not made for NYC and the Yankees. A kid who doesn’t care about losing is a kid I don’t want on my team.

  299. Martin August 9th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    This idiot is somethin’. First the “I’m going to make these guys look stupid” comment, and now these comments. Hey Ian, you’re not Joba and you’re not Phil. Your fastball is BP, your slider is lame, you can’t throw your change for a strike, your ERA is gross, and your K/BB is disgusting.

    Bye-bye Ian. You just won yourself a spot on Cashman’s “Available” list in the trade market this winter.

  300. Paulie August 9th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    The real scary thing is that this nit wit (Kennedy) is the best we have right now in the minors. With Hughes at least a week or two away and Pavano a month away we have very little help on the immediate horizon. Right now we have Moose and Pettit and potentially Ponson and a bunch of second rate minor leaguers and a horiffic schedule. When we didnt pull the trigger for a starting pitcher at the end of July we may have sealed our fate this year. I dont know who is evaluating the pitching talent for the Yankees but so far with the exception of Joba I have been under whelmed

  301. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 9th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    Am I seeing things? Was Trisha seriously congratulating herself on being right about her lack of faith in Ian Kennedy?

    Wow.

  302. Ariel August 9th, 2008 at 9:39 am

    You could chalk it up to immaturity but it’s downright stupidity…..or even arrogance to spout such nonsense that even a casual observer wouldn’t buy into. Granted, he has always had to “prove” himself since high school as his physical attributes were not particularly inspiring, but his comments insult the intelligence of the recipient and go way beyond the pale. It’s like hanging a horse for sale sign on a cow.

  303. yankee2123 August 9th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Kennedy sucks, and will never be any good on this team. After seeing this prospect implode on the mound again, it’s a testament to hoe good Joba really is. I hope Hughes can do better than Kennedy, but as of now I’d start Rasner over Kennedy the rest of the way.

  304. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 9th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    “he is just your classic dumb jock like about 80% of the players and 90 % of the posters on this site.. ”

    And as for you, Stuart – you really need to just stop calling people dumb, and throwing the words Brain Surgeon around.

    Just. Stop. It.

    Because looking at some of your posts – spelling, grammar, punctuation AND content – you don’t exactly come across as the sharpest tool in the shed yourself at times either.

  305. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 9th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    “he is just your classic dumb jock like about 80% of the players and 90 % of the posters on this site.. ”

    And as for you, Stuart – you really need to just stop calling people dumb, and throwing the words Brain Surgeon around.

    Just. Stop. It.

    Because looking at some of your posts – spelling, grammar, punctuation AND content – you don’t exactly come across as the sharpest tool in the shed yourself at times either.

  306. Mark August 9th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    Kennedy is clueless, if I recall correctly its not the first time he has said something dumb. Ship him out to the minors. Igawa can probably give the Yankees slightly better starts, and at least he cant speak english.

  307. jim August 9th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    when you consider how much faith the team had in him during the santana bidding, this is disappointing. too bad i had high hopes, now his trade value sucks too!

  308. DB August 9th, 2008 at 10:30 am

    This is the second time Kennedy says something like this. The first time, when he was sent to the minors again, he was claiming that ‘these guys will look stupid,’ referring to the front office decision to send him down. His stuff does not work in the majors, and he does not seem to get it. His attitude will not allow him to improve. It’s a pity Cashman didn’t trade him when he had the chance (Santana, Washburn). At this point, I rather see Igawa pitch than IK. (And I say that with a heavy heart…)

  309. Nick August 9th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    At least Igawa gives you 3 terrible innings, not 2…

  310. Pinstripes August 9th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    I never thought I’d say this, but I can’t wait until they bring Pavano up

  311. madcat August 9th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Kenndy is an ace just belong in AAA.

  312. Lauren August 9th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    He also rationalized his poor performance by saying he went from pitching to AAA batters to the best team in baseball.

    Might be true, but you don’t go on the record with the media with an excuse like that when you’re fighting for a spot in the Yankees starting rotation. Especially considering how badly he s*cked in the early part of the season. What’s with the attitude?

    What I want to know is, what is he doing differently now, in comparison to the end of last season when he had success?

    The pressure is really starting to build on Phil Hughes. We need help, and fast.

  313. george August 9th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    despite Pete’s flaming headline, there’s nothing wrong w/what Kennedy said. it’s good that he’s confident instead of crying like Edwar R. last year after a bad appearance; and he did pitch in some bad luck combined w/a couple of poor defensive plays. I like that he said he was surprised Girardi took him out.

    his only mistake in his comments is feeding the media beast by using the words “I’m not too upset”. someone’s gotta train him in Bull Durham answers.

    fortunately YES gives some baseball analysis, ‘cuz you never get it out of the beat writers these days. specifically, last nite Cone said Kennedy was throwing the ball on the same plane, and Singleton said that he didn’t see enough curves. That’s the issue w/Kennedy’s start. and then the baseball questions are “did it just happen in this one start?” “Did Molina call a bad game, or is the pitch/location choice on Kennedy?”

  314. JR August 9th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Ian Kennedy is a product of the front office that decided he was big-league material after 147 minor league innings and one pro season. Lay much of the blame at the feet of The Baseball People who got too excited too soon (cough, Melancon, cough)

  315. T D August 9th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Don’t blame the front office. His minor league stats warranted a call up last year and a shot this year.

    His own performance has ruined him.

  316. Nate August 9th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Angel,

    Why do you even answer stuart?

  317. yeah August 9th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Kennedy sucks so much, Cashman should be fired for not trading him and that other piece of garbage Hughes for Santana.

  318. JimDC August 9th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Did anyone really expect Ian Kennedy to pitch well against the team with the best record in baseball in their ballpark?

    I could only hope that he would have lasted 5 innings and given up 5 runs or less.

  319. Joe29 August 9th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Yeah, I agree 100% with that statement. How this idiot Cashman stood by and let all these pitchers get traded (Santana, Haren, Sabathia) and not to get one of them when pitching was there biggest need even with a healhty Wang, there is no excuse. Hes a joke.

  320. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 9th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    “it’s good that he’s confident instead of crying like Edwar R. last year after a bad appearance;”

    That’s all well and good, except that look where Edwar is now. I’m not saying Kennedy should have cried or anything, neither am I saying Edwar was wrong to.

    But two completely different reactions to failure, and two completely different outcomes to those reactions at present. Edwar is worked harder than ever after his failure, is now pitching with the Yankees and succeeding, Ian isn’t yet. So it’s not a really good example.

  321. Angel {insert random statement plus multiple !!!!!'s here} August 9th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    “Why do you even answer stuart?”

    For the most part I have lately. But unfortunately there isn’t an ignore function on this blog – yet. So until the day comes when I’m not forced to weed through his incoherent posts, then occasionally I will say what I think of them when it gets ridiculous.

  322. andrew says shrink the hard on for santana August 9th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    “Why do people keep saying the Yanks could have had Santana if he had given up Kennedy and Melky?”

    is anybody saying that? i’ve missed a few posts. I’M saying hughes-kennedy-melky for santana doesn’t look so one-sided at this point considering hughes has yet to pan out (still hope) and kennedy and cabrera have been downright putrid this year.

    Pretty sure it was hughes, kennedy, melky and austin jackson. That is just too much. By the way, the Yankees record is still better than the Mets and they are also in 3rd place, so i guess Santana didnt save them afterall.

  323. Chris NY August 9th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    You can forgive a young pitcher’s bad performance If they show promise to do better. But, you can’t forgived arrogance and lack of heart after a bad performance. Let him raise his stock in tripple A then trade the pansie.

  324. Mark McCray August 9th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    The Yankees didn’t get Johan Santana because they weren’t willing to commit the money and years on his contract.

    Not because they wouldn’t trade Ian Kennedy and Melky Cabrera.

  325. yankeefan91 August 9th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    does ian even wanna be in the yanks

  326. gianthinker August 9th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Like I said, Kennedy will be a successful Pirate one day.

  327. Stanny46 (President of the Carl Pavano Fan Club) August 9th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    He needs to be sent on the next flight back to AAA! Either Kennedy is delusional or he just doesn’t give a hooping funt! I wish we had more guys like Pettitte who care almost too much. These idiot statements really makes me miss Tino and Paulie.

  328. BB August 9th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    The guy always say too much,but do nothing.

  329. Matt August 9th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    I’m not upset with how Kennedy pitched, either. I wasn’t able to view the game, but I listened to it with MLB gameday on, and the pitches he threw were mostly fine. He can’t control the results. There were 3 or 4 bloops that were not caught, a squibber to short, and more I am forgetting.

    The location, velocity and movement all looked good in the data. There were some poor-ish pitches in there, but as a person that often “watches” a game this way, it was pretty common grouping. No walks, no home runs–it’s hard to be pitching truly bad without either. There was a good deal of bad luck involved. If he pitches exactly the same way against a team with less contact ability (ie MN), he might go 9 innings with 2 hits (instead of the other way around).

  330. jay August 10th, 2008 at 4:00 am

    Its a dumb comment, but where it comes from is the attitude we make atheletes portrey these days. Everything must always be ok, all oppenants are ruthian, and we work 1 day at a time.

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