Game 117: Yankees at Angels
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YANKEES (63-54)
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Nady LF
Cano 2B
Sexson 1B
Christian CF
Molina C
Pettitte LHP
Andy Pettitte (12-9, 4.34) vs. the Los Angeles hitters.
Joe Saunders (14-5, 3.03) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees start the day 7.5 games out of first in the division and four games behind in the wild card. … They are 2-4 on the road trip, having been outscored 41-28. … The Yankees are trying to salvage the last game of the series, having been outscored 21-9 in the first two games. … So it seems Pettitte has a personal catcher, too.
BILLY TRABER IS HERE: No word yet on who is out. Robertson maybe, Kennedy probably. After all, Girardi did say he was in the rotation yesterday.
WHO’S HOT: Johnny Damon is 11 of 28 on the road trip. He has hit safely in 10 straight and 15 of the last 16 games… Xavier Nady has a 10-game hit streak. He is 18 of his last 42 (.428) with five homers and 13 RBI over 12 games.
WHO’S NOT: A-Rod is 2 for 20 on the trip, the two hits being solo homers. … Dave Robertson had allowed 11 runs on 10 hits in his last five innings.
LONG TIME, NO SEE: The Yankees have not faced Saunders since 2006, his second year in the majors. He was 1-1, 10.80 in two starts against the Yankees that season. Saunders has gotten a lot better since then.
ANDY NOT SO DANDY: Pettitte’s last two starts: 10.1 innings, 17 hits, 14 earned runs, 6 walks, 9 strikeouts, 3 homer. He faced the Angels on July 31 and allowed nine runs on 11 hits in 5.1 innings.
STAY AWAY FROM THE ANGELS: The Angels cut Edwar Ramirez twice. They have since enjoyed facing him. In four career appearances against the Angels, Ramirez has allowed 12 hits and 11 earned runs in 4.1 innings. Three of the 12 hits are homers.
SEE YA: The Yankees have hit at least one homer in eight straight games, 16 in all.
FEELING MINNESOTA: The Yankees leave after the game for Minneapolis and part three of their road trip.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 3:05 p.m.: In stunning news Ian Kennedy has been optioned down to AAA Scranton. No word yet on who starts Wednesday.
Joe Girardi played “I’ve Got A Secret” and wouldn’t reveal the move until 2:45 p.m. The reason given was they wanted Kennedy to focus on throwing a good bullpen.
But Kennedy isn’t an idiot. He knew the score when Billy Traber walked in the clubhouse this morning. “I kind of had a feeling,” he said.
Kennedy was sent down with instructions to work on his pitching, not work on throwing seven shutout innings. He has proven he can win in the International League. He need to work on specific things now like his two-seamer and curveball.
Kennedy also apologized for his comments the other day, saying it didn’t come out the way he wanted. Several players, including Andy Pettitte, spoke to him about how better to express himself in the future.
I’ll post his quotes when I get a chance to transcribe them.
UPDATE, 3:53 p.m.: Two runs are great. But once again they had a chance to step on the neck of a starter and let him up. This team has lacked that instinct all season.
UPDATE, 4:32 p.m.: Andy is very out of sorts on the mound. That comebacker Figgins hits is a ball he fields cleanly usually. Then the balk, which was just weird. He’s lucky Sexson stopped the ball.
The Yankees will regret the first inning as Saunders seems to be settling into a groove.
I’d say there’s a 75-80 percent chance that Pettitte will skip his next start or be pushed back a few days. He has allowed 23 hits in his last 13.1 innings. That’s not normal.
UPDATE, 5:04 p.m.: The Yankees are 2 for 10 with RISP already. That’s a hideous 12 for 57 on the trip.
UPDATE, 5:24 p.m.: Big inning for Pettitte here. He’s at 77 pitches. He needs a nice tidy inning that can get him into the seventh.
UPDATE, 5:30 p.m.: And there you have it, a nice eight-pitch inning. The big lefty has pretty much survived nine hits, a walk and a balk.
UPDATE, 5:49 p.m.: Nice job by Pettitte today. Three runs over seven innings against the Angels is good work, especially when you give up 10 hits.
UPDATE, 5:56 p.m.: Whether A-Rod was safe or not doesn’t matter. Why in the world do you steal third with one out and Xavier Nady up? Nady is 20 of his last 52 with 13 RBI. Sure, you can get in position for a sacrifice fly. But stealing third is a heck of a risk.
The Yankees are a poor situational hitting team. Running into outs as eagerly as they do doesn’t help matters.
UPDATE, 5:59 p.m.: Pettitte is coming back out. That’s a big risk.
UPDATE, 6:02 p.m.: And Teixeira draws a lead-off walk. One batter too many for Andy.
Tough spot here for Marte with Vlad Guerrero and Torii Hunter up. Frankie Rodriguez warming up. The Yankees are staring at getting swept here.
UPDATE, 6:13 p.m.: Nice job by Marte. Who do you trust out of the bullpen next? Outside of Mariano, it’s a tough call.
UPDATE, 6:26 p.m.: Turns out there is no call, it’s Marte. Better him than any of the rest. I think you save Mo for the lead, especially against this team.
UPDATE, 6:34 p.m.: Good move by Girardi. Bring anybody else in and the game is over. If you’re going to get beat, get beat with the best guy on the mound.
Plus Mo is rested and can easily go 1.2 innings.
UPDATE, 6:37 p.m.: Seeing-eye grounder, ballgame. The Yankees can’t catch a break against this team.
8.5 back in the division with 44 left to play? It’s not impossible but it’s highly unlikely. It’s all about the wild card now. Still only four out there.
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I believe Melky stinks as much as I believe anything, but with 3 hits yesterday, don’t you give him a shot at building on that?
Fredo with the lineup complaint welcome to the club..
don’t worry our big guns will be as clutch as ever today. arod, abreu, jeter, and the other overpriced and underperformers will get hits when it counts(obviously I am joking)..
Giambi at $21 mill. resting his overweight out of shape body.. He did his gig hit a solo jack the other day, if he gets hot he may wind up with 95 RBI’s…
this team offensively is pathetic…Arod see a shrink last night???
Given what’s happened on this road trip, this team is in desperate straits and I would think no one is safe. The bullpen seems to have imploded since the trade deadline. I’m optimistic, but I’m also starting to wonder if this season is indeed over.
Fredo,
Not hitting from the right side. He got those hits yesterday from the left side, his better side, of the plate.
Cano trying to build on that 302 OBP..
He has been golden this year… People complain about Melky compared to Cano Melky had been great if you factor in expectations…
If you want to cry look at Cano’s avg with the bases loaded…IF that will not make you cry nothing will…
No one thought the Phillies or the Rockies would make the playoffs last year.
I know, I know, there were certain extenuating circumstances, but all I’m saying, is it’s really not over…till…you know…
“Fredo with the lineup complaint welcome to the club..”
More of an inquiry than a complaint, Stu. I’ve got no real problem w/ Melky sitting. SJ makes a fair point as well.
“there were certain extenuating circumstances”
Like the teams ahead of them sucked????
WTF ? Billy Traber stinks I’d rather have D-Rob than him up here…watch 3, 4 and 5 have a good day today.
Melky is about 200 from the right side…
they win or lose not because of melky but again because of the guys who make all the moolah.. guys like solo jack rodriguez. .the best player in the game just ask his minions of groupie fools..
220 with RISP, 7 or so non solo jacks on the year…this team is utterly unlikeable..Damon is about it who has consistent tough AB’s and comes thru when it counts, we need matsui to come back so Damon isn’t the only one with the professional AB’s.. Jeter on pace for about 70 RBI’s….
I have no problem with a bullpen move but Traber? He sucks, how about a guy who may be great Melancon? I forgot I am uninformed and I am asking them to rush Melancon, my bad….
Stuart–but are the bases loaded that often…?
I would think Melky’s going on the DL, maybe that’s why Traber was called up?
I believe Melky stinks as much as I believe anything, but with 3 hits yesterday, don’t you give him a shot at building on that?
because Melky won’t.
the last two games have been a whole load of crap.
The yankess need to stand up and be counted if they want to make the playoffs they need to do a lot better and it starts today. I
f any of them do not feel proud of the jersey and the team they are playing for and show effort in playing then just leave we could do without them at this stage of the season
Traber is an odd choice. Wonder if something is up with Marte. You’d think the bottom of the 8th might have been a spot for him yesterday and he was nowhere to be seen. Nowhere to be seen since the 40+ pitch outing in Texas in fact.
stuart I’d take Phil Coke before Traber..I’ll tell you this Chase Wright must have spit in someone’s coffee down there.
“because Melky won’t.”
Besides that, I mean.
(:
Would anyone be surprised if Melky is traded today ?
I’d rather keep Robertson than have Traber on the team. He’s nothing more than a mop-up guy anyways.
I sure as hell wouldn’t count on him getting big outs.
Will be interesting to see how the Yankees will try to loose this game. The most likely scenario is A-Rod bouncing in to a couple of DP. Pettetti walking a coulpe in front of Texeira who goes deep.
Maybe a an error or two in the outfield
Skippy 40 % of the time Mr. CLutch(Arod) gets the runner in from 3rd with less then 2 outs I think they say a decent # is 70%.
On Cano with the bases loaded about a 100% is not bad it is horrible.. Not a suprising stat when you try to be a HERO everytime and show no plate discipline the opposing pitchers take advantage of you impatience and for Cano out and out stupidity…
SOmeone should tell proffessor Cano in Texas and Anaheim when the infields are so hard and fast he needs to get his overpriced body in front of the damn ball on grounders.
ALso can someone send out a memo to all the moron announcers who constantly tell us Cano has good speed, look at the #’s you morons.. He does not have good speed, not every 2b can move, ask Jeff Kent…
The announcers should do some homework, look at Cano’s SB #’s they are scary bad…
“I’ll tell you this Chase Wright must have spit in someone’s coffee down there.”
Wright pitched last night……..poorly.
I’m hoping for big things from Sexson, Christian, and Molina at the bottom of the lineup. Big, big things.
100 Batting avg. my bad on clutch cano..
Robertson is probably gone. He just lost his stuff.
Here are my plans for the Yankees:
Once Hughes is ready for the bigs, move Posada to the 60-day dl. That would make room on the 40-man. Than on the 25-man, send down IPK.
Once Pavano (I can’t believe I’m saying that) is ready, move Wang to the 60-day dl. Than in September he’ll be ready.
Fredo: Yeah, something like that.
Jus think if the Yanks would have won the 7 to 6 game they lost to the orioles, the 1 zip game they lost to the angels, and the grand slam game (Byrd) they lost to the Rangers then todays games would not be as improtant.. I know you cannot win every close game of course but if you could get a big hit once a millenium then you win these type of games….
the yanks have 10 wins when not winning after 6 innings, they have only lost 2 games when winning after 6 but as you can see by these #’s there offense has been weak and unclutch to staggering levels all yr. The Yanks almost never steal a game, good teams like the angels do it all the time..
It does sound crazy to bring Pavano up but if he’s producing, he’s producing.
Melky is .218 / .285 / .306 batting RH, .257 / .306 / .357 Batting LH. those LH numbers are nothing special, just an OPS of .663, but WAAYYY better than his dismal performances against LHP. He has two HR batting RH, but both came in April. Of course, he had 5 HR in April and 3 HR since.
No way he should start vs a LHP and the Yanks should seriously consider making him hit LH full time next year.
Interesting Molina back behind the plate. I suspect he’ll catch Mussina AND Pettite the rest of the way.
arod still has a .302 career BA with RISP, which isnt much less than his .306 career BA overall
Trade Melky? No way he gets through waivers.
Wright pitched last night……..poorly.
5.1 IP, 7 H, 4 ER, 2 K’s
?? 10-4 GO/AO ratio (that ratio shows he pitched good)
Chase Wright has been effective. He’s allowed two runs through five innings and thrown only 65 pitches. The Chiefs were getting the ball in the air off him in the first two innings, but that’s pretty much stopped. He allowed a run on three hits in the fourth, but only the two-out double by Robinzon Diaz was particularly hard-hit. The two-out RBI single by Travis Snider was a flare that happened to find the spot perfectly between left field and center.
Yeh I’d say he pitched well.
and Sexson blows he will go 0-3 with a strikeout today and then Giambi will pinch hit late and get a hit, thats my prediction
For the Minnesota series, we have Ponson/Moose/tbd pitching. The tbd could be Rasner or Kennedy.
Jeter needs a game off. He’s been a horse, but he’s just not clutch any more. The constant double plays just kills our rallies. I’d probably bench him for Wednesday’s game vs the Twins (day game after night game) and than Thursday’s travel day will give him another day off. Have Betemit play SS for 1 game.
OMG Bernie Mac died ? woooow
RIP Bernie
Brandon: he died yesterday.
Matt i completely agree…maybe put Jete on DH again, or just give him a day off. But i dont think its fair that everyone on this blog rips on Jeter, he is not THAT bad this season and i love having him on my team. There is no doubt that Betemit has shown he deserves a shot after the way hes been playing the last few series…he should play first instead of Sexson, i dont like him..it gets annoying when Girardi plays the lefty/righty game, thats his strategy for EVERYTHING
I didn’t know until a few minutes ago Rebecca I’ve been caught up w/ work and the girl and the Yankees. I’ll miss his beat them till the white meat shows one liners.
thats good news about wakefield…but in a perfect world, it would be daisuke with the tightness
Jetes is having a lousy year by his standards, but lately he’s been swinging it better.
In the last four games he’s 7-16 .438 with 5 RBI. His OBP is .500 and Slug .688. Granted it’s just four games, but it is improvment.
“But i dont think its fair that everyone on this blog rips on Jeter, he is not THAT bad this season and i love having him on my team. There is no doubt that Betemit has shown he deserves a shot after the way hes been playing the last few series…he should play first instead of Sexson, i dont like him..it gets annoying when Girardi plays the lefty/righty game, thats his strategy for EVERYTHING”
He’s only getting ripped because he does it in the situations when we have something brewing. Rodriguez is in a 2-20 slump, yet Jeter seems to get ripped more than him. Pudge is slumping yet he gets no blame. Melky has done poorly with the bat, but he only gets a little blame. Giambi is slumping a bit but no one seems to care. I would like to see a lineup like this for a game or two except replace Jeter with Betemit.
I agree with 86W 183 that Melky should be converted full time to a left handed hitter. I believe this change would result in at least .275 15hrs 60 R.B.I. This would raise his stats to an acceptable level as opposed to the lineup black hole he has become from the right side. The only other alternative – plattooning Melky and Christian
Why send Robertson down when Edwar has been worse the last couple of appearances? and Traber is not better then Robertson. He’ll make the pen worse.
yet Jeter seems to get ripped more than him.
In what f***ing world ? Are you kidding me, for the year Jetes is having he deserves to be ripped over and over again. Robi Cano gets ripped, Arod gets ripped everyday ! everyday. IDK what world you think Jetes gets ripped in if anything he’s had a free pass all year.
Trevor, Edwar only struggles against the Angels. A WHIP of around 3.00 vs the Angels, but is good otherwise. Robertson has struggled against several other teams, including the Angels and Orioles and Rangers. Since July 26, his era has gone up from 1.46 to 6.75
You may be right on the Melky only hit left idea.. I assume the Yankee brain trust(whatever that means) will look into that!!!!
So Johny B is another Arod groupie, his career avg with RISP may be 302, why is it 240 this year???Do not give me the luck thing or some other BS.. 280 in a off year would be acceptable but 240 for the BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME, be real.. that is pathetic…
That had to be the biggest BS I ever read, that we’re hard on Jetes please some of the posters here can even bring thierselves to see he’s having a bad year. 1/2 of NY can’t shut up about the flip play, how long does he get a pass for that ? How Long really…
Also, in Edwar’s last several outings he has only allowed runs in 2 of them; both of them vs the Angels.
I’d take Jeter’s year over Lugo’s year anyday…
And stuart your absolutely right about Arod , put a runner on 2B or 3B and this guy is an instant out this year.
I’d take Jeter’s year over Lugo’s year anyday…
Ofcourse you would because Lugo is a bum… but I wouldn’t take Jetes over Furcal, Reyes, Peralta, Ramirez, heck this year even D’Angelo Jiminez is hitting better than him.
Cano deserves to be ripped the most for his terrible results then the rest of my rip meter in order is;
arod(high expectations), giambi, jeter, matsui, posada, melky(low expectations), abreu, and Damon is the only one that should not be ripped in the everyday lineup.
Moose and Mo also get passes, that is it on this team of tremendous underachieving..
9th or 10th in runs scored…….
Actually, I’m going to correct myself on Edwar. He has pitched in 16 games since June 27. He has allowed runs in 2 of those outings, both of them vs the Angels. That is 15.2 scoreless innings (opponents are not the Angels) and 9 runs allowed in 2 outings vs the Angels.
CPR…
Somebody call the doctor
I’m going down for the last time
“put a runner on 2B or 3B and this guy is an instant out this year.”
It’s actually the runner on 2nd that seems to be the problem. I was shocked to see the other day that with a runner only on 3rd he’s hitting .430 something this year.
my fault on D’Angelo I meant Christian Guzman, I just thought of another guy Micheal Young
Jeter has had a bad bad year but Julio Lugo’s year is worse and look at Renteria,. Jeter has been a slightly better the avg MLB SS this year, he still is above avg. then again look at the orioles SS, or toronto or boston, it is all relative…..
That’s Girardi for ya. guy finally gets hot and looks good and he sits him. He does it with Giambi everytime a lefty comes out even though he hits lefty’s. And now Melky. A guy who is begging to get on a roll.
It’s actually the runner on 2nd that seems to be the problem. I was shocked to see the other day that with a runner only on 3rd he’s hitting .430 something this year.
I hinted this early in the year, my guess is he’s paying attention to the runner and the OF before the ball because it’s in his view. It’s the weirdest thing when a runner is on 2B for him to drive in I almost have to turn away.
Pat you are all wrong on arod hitting 430 with runners on third.. he has gotten the runner in about 41% of time when on 3rd and less then 2 outs.. that means he can hit sac or get an out but still get the runner in.. too put things in perspective on think Damon is over 80% in those circumstances, I think the league avg. is about 70%, so Arod has absolutely SUCKED in that scenario also.
sorry for the facts….
“Ofcourse you would because Lugo is a bum… but I wouldn’t take Jetes over Furcal, Reyes, Peralta, Ramirez, heck this year even D’Angelo Jiminez is hitting better than him.”
Absolute moron. D’Angelo Jimenez. Wow. Have some cheese with your whine.
Henry another moron posters again Melky under 200 against lefties, sorry for the facts…..
The numbers prove that A-Rod just flat out stinks with runners on. He’s a choke artist. And not one pitcher is scared of him.
Absolute moron. D’Angelo Jimenez. Wow. Have some cheese with your whine.
Man STFU I mixed up Guzman and Jiminez so what..
Jeter isin’t even the best SS on this own team.
At least they have a day game today, and a day game following the last day of the Minni series.
I’m hoping Kennedy is the one gone. Feel bad for Dave, he has done very well up until his last 3 outings.
And Justin Christian mashes lefty’s, idiot stuart?
Why not get YOUR STARTING CF started??
That too much thinking for you, little stewie you stupid 6 yr old?
Run along. Your mommy wants you stewie. Leave the thinking to grown ups.
A-Rod couldn’t play SS right now. Have you seen how big and immobile he is or you sticking to the standard line that hes still the best SS on the team?
Arod still is the best SS on this team.
Who cares about lineups?
They can’t pitch. I thought the Angels lacked offense? They seem to score 10 runs a game against the Yanks.
Brandon is the same guy who wants Jeff Keppinger to start at SS. Take him with a grain of salt.
Brandon is the same guy who wants Jeff Keppinger to start at SS. Take him with a grain of salt.
I wanted him as a utility replacement over Betemit you jackass. Get it right.
Did I offend the Jeter fans. It’s like that ? Someone saids the truth and his little closet h*s come out to speak. Fact..Jetes is having a bad year ..live w/ it. He’s not the best fielding SS on this team…live w/ it. The sooner you do the more stupid and childish you won’t sound.
stuart
I just looked. With a runner ONLY on 3rd, he is .438 as of today. 2nd and 3rd, he drops to .286. Bases loaded or runner ONLY on 2nd and he’s .140 something.
Picking specfic baserunner situations gets into the small sample size debate but those are the numbers.
Sexson is gonna have a monster game… he’s seen plenty of Saunders during his time in the AL West.
Brandon and Stuart are the type of guys who would rather see Cody Ransom play SS because he’s “young” and “has potential” and is “cheap”.
Arguing about the line-up is pointless. Without solid pitching (both the starters and the relievers), they don’t stand a chance. Every player gets a day off here or there. Melky because of his splits. Giambi because of his legs.
Henry… Christian is hitting .400 vs LHP, Melky is hitting .221. Also, Christian has 6 RBI in 20 AB vs LHP (1 every 3.3 AB). Melky has 11 RBI in 124 AB hitting RH (1 every 11.3 AB).
So comparatively speaking, yes Christian does mash lefties.
Let’s go easy on the name calling and vulgar acronyms folks…
“Did I offend the Jeter fans. It’s like that ? Someone saids the truth and his little closet h*s come out to speak. Fact..Jetes is having a bad year ..live w/ it. He’s not the best fielding SS on this team…live w/ it. The sooner you do the more stupid and childish you won’t sound.”
And this guy is a Yankee fan?? That’s hilarious.
And this guy is a Yankee fan?? That’s hilarious.
Yes I am. Fully. Just because I rip him when he deserves it does not notmake me a Yankees fan, I was one before Jetes and will be one after Jetes is gone.
This team forgot how to pitch. Pretty much means you won’t win.
Brandon and Stuart are the type of guys who would rather see Cody Ransom play SS because he’s “young†and “has potential†and is “cheapâ€.
Are you completely retarded or something ? Cody Ransom is a career AAAA player I never wanted him to make this team out of ST. Strike 2..keep sounding off stupid.
You are a joke, Brandon. You should be ashamed to call yourself a fan.
This team forgot how to pitch. Pretty much means you won’t win.
I disagree, this whole season the pitching has done a head stand and held down the fort, the offense is what went AWOL and abandoned this team whether it has something to do w/ Kevin Long is yet to be known.
Nettles
Is Jeter having a good year?
“Are you completely retarded or something ? Cody Ransom is a career AAAA player I never wanted him to make this team out of ST. Strike 2..keep sounding off stupid.”
You wanted the former AG to play SS. You wanted Jeff Keppinger. Just seems natural you would want Ransom over Jeter the way you are going.
You are a joke, Brandon. You should be ashamed to call yourself a fan.
Righhhhhhhh…….. again I call it like I see it. That’s the problem some of you don’t have the stomache for it.
oh boy, sweep!
Be careful people you can’t question the messiah that is Jeter.
lol
Brandon’s one of the best posters on here. I don’t always agree with him, but he knows what he’s talking about.
“Saunders has gotten a lot better since then.”
Pete, didn’t you get the message? Pitchers never get any better than when they first come up. How yopu start your career is how it will always be. DUH!
“I disagree, this whole season the pitching has done a head stand and held down the fort, the offense is what went AWOL and abandoned this team whether it has something to do w/ Kevin Long is yet to be known.”
Someone forgot why we won so much the past 12 years. It is pitching.
Why did we have a great July this yr? The pitching.
Why have we been bad the past 15 games? The pitching.
You don’t win with terrible pitching even if you mash people to death.
you know what seems like a really good deal right now? IPK and Melkey to the twins for Johan and three decent seasons of pitching. but i guess heinsight is 20/20
Brandon and stuart are the typical raging fans who can’t handle losses and feels the need to blame the big players.
It is what you get on blogs.
I’m sure he was calling Jeter a hero during the two Texas wins. Just like hes trashing A-Rod and him now.
He’s yawn worthy.
put a sock in it stuart. this is what i said in my post…
“arod still has a .302 career BA with RISP, which isnt much less than his .306 career BA overall”
how does that at all make me a an “A-rod groupie?,” and make me “pathetic.” all i stated was the statistic. i wasnt trying to stand up for him whatsoever, i know he bats .244 with risp and has gone 2-20, that is everybodys favorite statistic. all i was trying to say is that hopefully he will bounce back next year, and i hope he does cause we’re stuck with him for a long time.
youre the one whose pathetic, all you do is rip on people in here and on the team, do us both a favor and become a boston fan you prick
You wanted the former AG to play SS. You wanted Jeff Keppinger. Just seems natural you would want Ransom over Jeter the way you are going.
No you moron your still getting it wrong and consistantly wrong over and over. Gonzo like I call him was what he was, while posters here were w/ thier BS about him being a great replacement for Jetes or Robi’s bat I constantly said he isn’t any better than Wilson Betemit w/ a bat.
Keppinger again I wanted him to be a UTILITY..
U T I L I T Y (a back up)
Cody Ransom I’ve said it over and over and over and over again HE IS A BUM. A AAAA player at 28 is a ML bum. There is a reason SF cut him, there is a reason he can’t field for sh** in Scranton, there is a reason Ramiro Pena has put on fast track to get some seasoning at SS by 09′ in SWB. Again keep being moron.
Jase Cody Ransom is not young.. he is a career minor leaguer.
Yeah Jase, signing crap like abreu or giambi or some other priced overrated old crap for next year may be you r idea of a good decision but not me.
if it is up to me say goodbye to ; abreu and giambi tostart.. Pettitte I will wait to the end of the season and same with Moose.
they need to say goodbye to abreu and giambi no matter what..they need to get younger and more athletic bozos………..
“Brandon’s one of the best posters on here. I don’t always agree with him, but he knows what he’s talking about.”
That means he’s allowed to post nonsense and just sprout his mouth off no matter what comes nonsense comes out? Just because he’s a prolific poster doesn’t mean he’s good.
The guy trashed Xavier Nady his first three games and even had a little anti Nady thing in his handle for a week. He’s a raging fan. You take them with huge grains of salt and generally just laugh at what he says.
Like his trade for Threets, trade for Keppinger, etc.
I’m sure he was calling Jeter a hero during the two Texas wins. Just like hes trashing A-Rod and him now.
He’s yawn worthy.
Because they deserve it. And I will gladly post my comment when Jetes went somewhat wild in Texas..I’m the last guy that piggy banks on one game success.
This team has Sidney Ponson as the #3 starter right now.
And anyone expects to win a playoff spot?
Seriously?
Can we STOP talking about Johan Santana. We didn’t get him and for the millionth time the deal was Kennedy, Melky and WANG!! Jesus. It never was just Kennedy and Melky. Do you think Cash would have passed on that?
The pen sucks due to exhaustion related to the starting pitching woes. Remember when they went through a stretch like this early in the season when the starters were sucking? Same thing.
I’m guessing IPK is sent down, or Robertson. But why they called up Traber ahead of Strickland beats me. Bruney down for Strickland to work on his stuff (CONTROL), Traber for Melancon and we’d be much better off until rosters expand in Sept.
Thanks stuart for at least being honest and saying you want young players here over all these overpriced vets.
johny B at least you can smell prick, I am suprised..
Again Arod’s #’s THIS YEAR with men in scoring position are almost ANdruw Jones like(PATHETIC).
ALL I read from his groupies is how great he is and all I have seen for 5 years is that something is missing with him.. He had 1 good year in the clutch(last year) and that is it.. He makes bad decisions on and off the field and the Yanks only have him for another 9 yrs under contract.
Arod is in hiS 13th yr. in the league and has won jack…………WHY???????????????????WHY????????????
SPELL not smell sorry…
The Santana deal was Hughes, IPK, and Melky.
Who doesn’t make that right now?
Santana would have 12 wins+ right now.
Hughes and Kennedy are a solid 0 right now.
Just win this game somehow and start the new week on a positive note.
Go Yanks!
The guy trashed Xavier Nady his first three games and even had a little anti Nady thing in his handle for a week. He’s a raging fan. You take them with huge grains of salt and generally just laugh at what he says.
Like his trade for Threets, trade for Keppinger, etc.
With the Nady thing your right I didn’t believe in him at all. It took time because he’s never in his life hit .330 in any league and he has one of the rawest leg kicks I ever seen, I never believed that would translate in the AL, but vuala ..he’s shutting me up and I admitted that. I was a big Tabata fan that I’m not going to hide. Again on Threets I just wanted to put him in our minor league system as a project. Keppinger as a utility on this big league roster, because we don’t have one and his clutch numbers w/ RISP are insane.
Jase, guilty as charged absolutely..
suffer with young guys absolutely…
“johny B at least you can smell prick, I am suprised..”
The idiot stuart embarrassing himself. HAHA
That is hilarious.
And you spelt surprise wrong too stuart. LOL!!
P.S. I still wouldn’t have dealt Hughes to the poster above you.
Brandon I’m sick of your lame defenses. You said and did all that. Why deny it now? At least stuart is honest and admits who he is. That is why you are a joke. Now continue raging like a deranged fan.
And Mike Lowell goes deep for 3 runs on an 0-2 pitch with 2 outs… proving once again that he’s no A-Rod.
Munday- Wrong. but i am so sick and tired of talking about Johan. We didn’t get him, get over it already.
ah everyone needs to stop arguing we sound dumb. yeah stuart i agree, but what are we to do? i dont think i could ever appreciate A-Rod even if he did put up bigger numbers. there will always be a part of us all who hates him for being the greedy media whore that he is
it seems like journalists and writers bow down to a-rod even more than yankee fans, which is silly. arent they supposed to be the experts?
munday yeah i agree with you but i would argue that ponson is currently the #2 starter, whcih is even more pathetic. even though yesterday was so painful to watch, im looking forward to seeing giese pitch again, hopefully it wasnt just a fluke
Brandon- where did all these children come from?
Enough with Santana.
The players for the supposed deal was always changing.
At one point Hughes was in the deal and then Wang was in addition to Kennedy and Melky.
Kennedy and Melky alone was not gonna get it done.
Move on people and the only fair way to evaluate the non-move for Santana is years from now. Not August 10, 2008
Jase have a coke and a smile and STFU. I tried talking to you but if you want to be an ass do that w/ someone else I’m done w/ you.
Lay off of, Brandon. he posts here 7000 times a game. Therefore he must be a good and knowledgeable poster.
Brandon- where did all these children come from?
IDK it must be kids day or something, you know how there is going to be a huge thunderstorm so they can’t go outside and rather F*** around w/ blogs.
The lineup is irrelevant. They’ve all been tried and it doesn’t matter.
Take away the winning streak that 7 game winning streak(against the mighty Padres and Astros) and the one after the AS Break and you have what the Yankees really are…..an awful team derailed by injury, age, and just crappy playing.
I’m sure I’ll be accused of being a “fair weather fan”, but after the past week, I’ve reached my breaking point with this season and can’t sit through the games anymore. It’s just gotten too frustrating watching the same garbage game after game after game.
Brandon I’m done with you and your lame defenses of your own sayings and posts. Rage to someone else.
Anyone know who was sent down?
Brandon- where did all these children come from?
Children because you actually have your views challenged?
Ok…
now that all the obligatory pre-game topics have been covered..
Surprised at seeing Traber up too, but the pen looks gassed right now and at least he’s been up before. We’ll roll the dice with the others in September. Would have been interesting to have seen Wright, though…
Can we please stop arguing? We are supposed to be MATURE Yankee fans. We have to be better than the rest.
Yeah the call up of Traber shocks me.
“Move on people and the only fair way to evaluate the non-move for Santana is years from now. Not August 10, 2008″
This year doesn’t count? IPK looks like a good pitcher? Hughes is ever healthy? Melky can hit???
“Munday- Wrong. but i am so sick and tired of talking about Johan. We didn’t get him, get over it already.”
The trade was Hughes, IPK and Melky. The added Wang the day before they traded him because they realized the Yankees would not trade Hughes. Get your facts straight. Even though I don’t expect to a girl to know sport facts.
Glad to see the ice cream social after church this morning put everyone in a good frame of mind
Its a shark tank in here.
“Can we please stop arguing? We are supposed to be MATURE Yankee fans. We have to be better than the rest.”
I guess you have never been here before.
I have a good feeling about Andy’s start today. And I think the offense will break out.
Even though I don’t expect to a girl to know sport facts.
ohhhh.. Your on own buddy
abreu made a comment about coming back next year…do you guys think we’ll sign him for another season or 2? i wouldnt mind seeing him in pinstripes again…
This is what losing streaks in August do.
The Mets bring up rookies and young guys like Murphy and have them rake. We bring up young players like Duncan and Melky and they flounder.
“abreu made a comment about coming back next year…do you guys think we’ll sign him for another season or 2? i wouldnt mind seeing him in pinstripes again…”
This crew wants to trade Jeter. You think they want Abreu????
I have a good feeling about Andy’s start today.
Me too. I mean a sore elbow coupled with his performance in his last few starts has me feeling all warm and fuzzy about today.
Please.
It’s gonna be another beatdown at the hand of the Angels.
This year doesn’t count? IPK looks like a good pitcher? Hughes is ever healthy? Melky can hit???
Um sure it counts and based on this year alone..let’s make a final judgment on all of them.
It’s not like those young players have any room at all for improvement.
“i dont think i could ever appreciate A-Rod even if he did put up bigger numbers.”
At least that’s honest. He’s here to stay, so if you truly are a Yankee fan, just root for the laundry.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Paul Byrd is starting Wed in Kennedy’s place.
“well at least he’s got a good arm!”
just kidding. trade his ass!
darn it though i would love it so much for us to cultivate our own talent rather than buy it off other teams..
Brandon- I am not even going to answer to that morons stupidity. He isn’t worth my time.
haha Bob, i was waiting for somebody to rip that comment apart..although it does deserve it. end this road trip, please?
Get your facts straight. Even though I don’t expect to a girl to know sport facts.
Wow. It’s like a case study in stupidity here today. Where to even begin with that statement…
I thought computer day at Bellevue Hospital was Monday, not Sunday. Go figure..
It’s not abotu making a final judgement on players. You have to give up to get. What has this team needed for years? Great starting pitching. What didn’t they get? Great starting pitching. Actually, they didn’t get any starting pitching.
You realize how lucky this team is to have Mussina pitching this well?
Otherwise a team with Hall of Famers littered around the roster would be in 4th place fighting off the Orioles.
I think they could have given up Hughes for a great starting pitcher because he is all potential. And for a guy who doesn’t throw hard he doesn’t project to be an ace.
We already have two young aces. He was expendable.
And please don’t say anything about IPK and Melky. They are jokes.
Numbers, shmumbers, A-Rod’s a loser.
The Sox have a 3b who actually hits with runners in scoring position and on base.
stuart I did the math on what Pat said.
For this whole baseball season Alex Rodriguez has had 105 AB w/ RISP via MLB.com
w/ a runner on 2B he’s 5 for 34 (.147)
w/ runners on 1B&2B he’s 5 for 22 (.227)
w/ runners on 2B&3B he’s 2 for 7 (.286)
So if a runner is on 2B for Alex he’s 12 for 63 (.190) w/ get this 22 K’s so out of 63 AB he’s striking out 40 % of the time w/ a runner at 2B.
The rest. Well you do the math that leaves 44 AB w/o this situation that means he’s 13 for 44 w/ out a runner on 2B and that equates to a (.295) AVG w/ 13 K’s, that’s 30 % in this situation out of 44 AB sample.
May as well shut down Andy too if hes really hurt.
AB August 10th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
“Can we please stop arguing? We are supposed to be MATURE Yankee fans. We have to be better than the rest.â€
“I guess you have never been here before.”
That’s funny.
107 AB * w/ RISP
Well, at least Pete ended his post with a Soundgarden reference. A nice ray of light on this otherwise gloomy stretch of baseball. I noticed, Pete, that you didn’t touch the preceeding “looking California” line w/a 10 foot pole. Good job.
Anyway scrolling thru the comments, idiocy and trolldom seem to be floating around here in high gear today. Please summon a gem from somewhere today Andy, if only to get all the losers off the blog! ha.
Damn Mike Jacobs is going off at Shea
gonna be interesting watching the joe girardi show tonight at 7 30. even though i know he will just dodge questions and pretend that he has faith in our disgraceful bullpen. oh and our starting rotation as well. and a rod.
wonder how many wins we’d have right now if we had torre..
Julio Lugo is the best shortstop in baseball – - bar none.
“wonder how many wins we’d have right now if we had torre..”
Probably at least 2 or 3 less. But I forgot, the grass is always greener….
Wonder why Molinas catching again today? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM Interesting!!!
The Torre for Sainthood movement really needs to cease. Girardi has done an admirable job with a ridiculous amount of injuries to important players. Torre can have his Dodgers and kill his bullpen.
wonder how many wins we’d have right now if we had torre..
Would Torre have been able to prevent the injuires to Wang, Posada, Matsui, Joba, Damon, A-Rod and Hughes?
Would he have been able to teach Melky to be a real MLB player?
Would he have taken Jeter to the fountain of youth?
He already proved he couldn’t fix A-Rod’s screwed up head.
My guess is there would be zero difference in this team if he was still manager. Actually maybe a few more losses, because at least Girardi did some great work with the pen that Torre never would have done.
Must we go through this again?
We lost
Jorge
Wang
Matsui
Alex for a few weeks
Jeter for a few games
Cano was ice cold for the first half of the season
Now we lost Joba
Got zero starts for Hughes and Kennedy
Damon for a few weeks
Melky has been iced cold all year
I’m sure I’m missing someone.
SO yeah we’d be in a better position with Joe T.
I think we’d be in a worse position.
JT he always catches Moose. IDK what it is w/ your hate for Pudge.
This team leaves absolutely nothing to surprise. Traber came out of the blue. What’s next ?
Besides, this nonsensical “what if we still had Torre” game can be played on both sides. Here’s one…
What if we still had Torre, how many runs higher would Veras’ ERA be?
What if we still had Torre, how many of our relievers would be top 10 in the league in IP/appearances?
…like I said, pretty nonsensical…
So is the Robertson experiment over now too? I know he’s been pretty bad lately, but do we see him in the majors again, with the Yankees?
yeah i agree i think it would be less. sometimes i wish girardi would yell more. he needs a lesson from pinella….i love it when he gets mad and gets ejected. i remember earlier this season when he was arguing in the ump’s face and he threw down his hat in the dirt…then he was yelling more…then he picked up his hat again so he could throw it back down in the dirt..hehe
NEWSFLASH: Bernie Mac died and Pettitte is pitching today
“Would Torre have been able to prevent the injuires to Wang, Posada, Matsui, Joba, Damon, A-Rod and Hughes?”
Yes. Considering some of the early injuries were related to that pre season work out plan Girardi had.
I agree Girardi not for nothing has done a standout job in year 1 as a Yankees manager. His 4 and 5 hitter can’t hit w/ RISP..his #5 hitter especially, CF nothing, C nothing, 2B is sleeping..defensively this team has improved, they have cut down on mistakes in the field, offensively we can’t say that. Again 4 and 5 struggling, new bullpen who at one point was unhittable. And my guess they will be unhittable again. The pitching has made strides, defense improved, no offense whatsoever and they lost Wang, Joba, no wins from Hughes or Kennedy and no one in the pen in the top 10 in appearance. He gets a B+ from me, unfortunately this offense gets an F.
Anyway, re: the Mets/Marlins game…
1) Mike Pelfrey has sure lost his temporary mojo huh?
2) I love when former Mets who were traded go back there and rake. Meantime Delgado is 0-2. Bet theyre loving that trade right now!
3) Is anyone else secretly rooting for the Marlins to win their division? I live in Philly and even I am. I don’t mind the Phillies but no team with that pitching should be in the postseason.
E-Man,
You’ve got to be kidding me. If Torre had his way, his players would’ve just coasted in Spring Training, waiting to get into shape while the season started. Our awful start last year had a lot to do with Torre’s leniency and lack of demands placed on players. It was like summer camp.
Brandon, are you always this lost?
“Yes. Considering some of the early injuries were related to that pre season work out plan Girardi had.”
A new low on the IQ meter.
woahh let me just clarify i wasnt saying we would be better off with torre, i was just thinking out loud…or online i should say
wow the olympics are so boring, SNORE
i hope the robertson experiment is over
Traber up, Kennedy down
““Would Torre have been able to prevent the injuires to Wang, Posada, Matsui, Joba, Damon, A-Rod and Hughes?â€
Yes. Considering some of the early injuries were related to that pre season work out plan Girardi had.”
Yeah, because our pitchers and hitters had stayed SO healthy in the past with Torre’s near-nonexistent workout plan. And Torre’s essentially allowing guys to show up to camp out of shape certainly helped inspire quick starts from the likes of Damon, Abreu and Bruney in the past…
Good bye Ian…
Good move, knock him down a few pegs. Read that he was already spoken to about his comments in the past, obviously it didn’t sink in.
Yes. Considering some of the early injuries were related to that pre season work out plan Girardi had.
Oh. So now the injuries were a 100% direct result of the preseason work out plan that Girardi had? So maybe next preseason they shouldn’t work out at all?
Where did the news about Kennedy come from?
John H.
Mr Kennedy on the way to PA..
Dammit, Traber blows. I want Chase Wright!
Is he really never going to get another chance to prove himself just because of his struggles in his WAY premature, injury-necessitated callup last year?
Glad that they sent Kennedy down. He needs to work on his pitching and his handling of the media. He really is not ready for the majors.
“Where did the news about Kennedy come from?”
YES pregame
“You’ve got to be kidding me. If Torre had his way, his players would’ve just coasted in Spring Training, waiting to get into shape while the season started. Our awful start last year had a lot to do with Torre’s leniency and lack of demands placed on players. It was like summer camp.”
Really? Did you forget about Alex? Or our starting rotation: Mussina, Pettitte, Igawa, Rasner and Pavano
Yeah it was all Torre’s fault for that horrible start.
Brandon, are you always this lost?
JT you keep BS’n about Pudge meanwhile I’m listening to the pregame he’s actually taking leadership in this locker room..I’m telling you HGH,steroids whatever, don’t ever count out Ivan Rodriguez. Ever.
BTW Good bye Ian. Good riddance too.
brandon, mussina still starting today????
Pat –
With Kennedy gone, did they say who will start on Wednesday?
I knew that Kennedy was going down. No way Girardi puts up with those types of comments and that obnoxious smirk he has. The Yankees want players up here who want to win and care when they don’t. That’s not IPK. Hopefully, we’ll be able to trade him someday.
jennifer- wang was never part of the deal, but if it makes you feel better, then believe it.
brandon, mussina still starting today????
Oh your right it’s Pettitte, my guess is they aren’t taking chances vs the Angels. So no excuses today for Pettitte.
Fran
No. Kim Jones said Rasner is a possibility but Girardi has not announced anyone.
“Oh. So now the injuries were a 100% direct result of the preseason work out plan that Girardi had? So maybe next preseason they shouldn’t work out at all? ”
No of course not. The sudden outburts of Quad injuries are quite common on the Yankees.
Brandon, agreed and I am SO sick of the Pudge hate! It’s a great example of why outsiders call Yankee fans spoiled and entitled. Any thinking person should be thanking their lucky stars that we were able to trade for him. Would they prefer Miguel Olivo? Nieves? Moeller? Oh wait, I forgot, the latter works well with Darrell Rasner. CLEARLY that makes him a better option than the future HOF best defensive catcher ever. How could I have been so blind?!
E-Man,
I hardly said it was all Torre’s fault, yet you seem to place all of the injuries as a result of Girardi trying to get his players into shape, which makes no sense.
Fact is, Torre would allow his players to do whatever they wanted, which was nothing. Fact is, Torre is not here any longer. He was always a better handler of the media than a better manager, and that is why he was so beloved. Torre is now with an average, to above-average team in the weakest division in baseball, and they still can’t do much. Put that team in the hands of Joe Girardi (ie Marlins), I think you’ve got a Western Division winner.
Traber is here because the bullpen is gassed, and he is on the 40 man roster, making it a seamless move. They probably also feel they need another veteran arm in case they have to overwork somebody in the next few days.
Better to blow out Traber than a young arm.
So much for Kennedy, “being in the rotation”. I guess his comments did rankle some people within the Yankees. Given the way Robertson has struggled lately, one would have thought he would have be the guy going down.
Kennedy was dead man walking in that locker room after those comments. If this was the 70’s Yankees, or even the late 90’s Yankees, one of the vets wouldn’t have had a talk with him. They would have punched him in the face.
He has some growing up to do and that’s not going to happen in NY. Hopefully, being a member of the Scranton shuttle knocks him down a few pegs as well as allowing him to work on his game.
Thank God Ian was sent down.
So Molinas catching today, its not Moose pitching, and Pudge is the #1???
jennifer- wang was never part of the deal, but if it makes you feel better, then believe it.
Cashman already said it was never just Kennedy.. believe what you want but Lavelle E. Neal also said the same thing. Buster Olney said it was Wang and Kennedy or Hughes and Melky plus a prospect (our guess Jackson or Tabata)..again not regretting this deal, it looks bad year one but give it time.
Ian thanks for coming by for another loss. Have fun in Scranton.
Torre would have listened to Jorge and let him stay in the lineup until runners stole him blind or his shoulder completely flamed out – whichever came first.
Torre wouldn’t have given Rasner or Giese the chances saying he “didn’t feel comfortable” with them.
Mo would have been used for 2 innings in several occasions.
Jose Veras would have been on the DL with burnout related problems a la Proctor.
“Really? Did you forget about Alex? Or our starting rotation: Mussina, Pettitte, Igawa, Rasner and Pavano
Yeah it was all Torre’s fault for that horrible start.”
did you forget that Abreu pulled a hammy (I think it was a hammy) last year in ST because he WASN’T IN SHAPE? did you forget that Damon was basically an auto out for the first few months of last season cause he didn’t get in shape for/in ST? Or what about Wang or even Matsui? Maybe they wouldnt have gotten hurt if their manager had worked them harder in the spring?
Revisionist history, ftl.
Gary Edwar would have been banned from pitching under Torre.
Kennedy got what he deserved he needs to learn on and off the field.
Buchholtz getting hammered, young pitching takes a while often.
the sux rotation without wakefield also gets hurt because he usually eats a lot of innings..
Traber is a body that is about all he is….I go with GIese be ony threw 83 pitches on 4 days rest.
Hughes will be up the start after tuesday…they need him to deliver.
so any big hits from the zillionaires today???DObtful but every day brings new hope.. It looks like the Angels are having a hard time with RISP against the Yanks they are only hitting in the mid 400’s but the Yanks are doing ther usual 240’s with RISP…
“So much for Kennedy, “being in the rotationâ€. I guess his comments did rankle some people within the Yankees. ”
Personally, I hope it was:
Comments 5%
Performance 95%.
ChiSox 5-3
Buchholtz now coughing it up. 5-3 White Sox.
Prediction:
We never see Kennedy in a Yankee uniform again.
I think Pete makes a very important point about Kennedy working on his pitching and not just getting AAA hitters out.
A lot of times players, as well as fans, fall under the assumption that guys getting outs at AAA is all that matters. It really isn’t. You can get guys out in AAA with stuff that doesn’t translate to the majors.
That’s one of Kennedy’s problems, IMO.
Pete,
If you get a shot, ask Cashman if they ever considered sending him down to Tampa (A Ball).
I ask because when the Blue Jays needed to fix Doc Holliday several years ago, they sent him to A ball.
Mainly because they just wanted him to work on his pitching and not let his competitive juices flow and just look to get AAA hitters out.
I’m curious if the Yankees talked about taking the same tack with Kennedy.
“Kennedy was dead man walking in that locker room after those comments. If this was the 70’s Yankees, or even the late 90’s Yankees, one of the vets wouldn’t have had a talk with him. They would have punched him in the face.”
I know Mussina isn’t exactly a fists o’fury type, but I wish he would sit Kennedy down and talk some sense into him. He seems the perfect person to do it. Although for all I know, maybe he has already tried.
The Red Sox play CWS (1), TEX (3), TOR (3), and BAL (3) after today. Watch them destroy all those teams, the way the Yankees don’t.
We shall all remember that it is very rare for a young propect to be a good majorleague pitcher right away.
Joba is one of a kind.
TK,
If I had to guess, I’d go 40-60 (comments to performance).
We have had guys stink it up on the mound this year and get another start. Ponson after Boston for example.
But, we haven’t had a guy act as if it “wasn’t a big deal” after they got shelled.
I think the two (comments and performance) became too much for them to take with Kennedy.
You still have to face the other 24 guys in the locker room. After those comments, that probably became tougher for him.
Buchholtz now coughing it up. 5-3 White Sox.
Dude they are in the 3rd inning, it really doesn’t matter and if this team doesn’t capitalize on the Red Sox stumbles then it doesn’t even matter.
” Kennedy was dead man walking in that locker room after those comments. If this was the 70’s Yankees, or even the late 90’s Yankees, one of the vets wouldn’t have had a talk with him. They would have punched him in the face “.
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This is true SJ and we may never know what was said to him at the hotel, team bus, or the trainer’s quarters.
If Jorge were around, he may have been vocal about it.
Dude they are in the 3rd inning, it really doesn’t matter and if this team doesn’t capitalize on the Red Sox stumbles then it doesn’t even matter.
Well personally, I’m looking at it from the standpoint that Minn. is winning too, so we need Chicago to win as.
We’re not making the playoffs, so I’d love to see Boston out as well.
Go Twins!
Go White Sox!
PA: I believe it’s the 118th game, not 117th.
We can really use a win today! Like, really badly
http://whentheunderdogwins.wordpress.com/
a Yankee vet said something to the effect of his start will bother him tomorrow, maybe alluding to him getting sent down.
“But, we haven’t had a guy act as if it “wasn’t a big deal†after they got shelled.”
True SJ – although Igawa made inane comments after getting shelled.
I agree with what you are saying in the sense that – if this was early in the season, you can keep a guy with an attitude issue around for a while and let the vets go to work on him. Not now. IPK has not earned any length of leash to do anything that ticks off a teammate.
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“Joe Girardi played “I’ve Got A Secret†and wouldn’t reveal the move until 2:45 p.m. The reason given was they wanted Kennedy to focus on throwing a good bullpen.”
JMO – so what? Would I have had a Denver omelet instead of pancakes this morning if I knew IPK was gone? Not exactly.
I love this blog but Pete’s pretty easily ticked off when he doesn’t know about a decision ASAP. Who knew Pats fans were so sensitive?
Tampa Bay is the team of destiny this year. How many games have they pulled out in thr late innings? Carlos Pena rocks.
“I hardly said it was all Torre’s fault, yet you seem to place all of the injuries as a result of Girardi trying to get his players into shape, which makes no sense.
Fact is, Torre would allow his players to do whatever they wanted, which was nothing. Fact is, Torre is not here any longer. He was always a better handler of the media than a better manager, and that is why he was so beloved. Torre is now with an average, to above-average team in the weakest division in baseball, and they still can’t do much. Put that team in the hands of Joe Girardi (ie Marlins), I think you’ve got a Western Division winner.”
I didn’t place all of the injuries. I said some of them. The quad injuries were a result of the running. It cost us Arod for a month and Jeter for a week. Giambi who doesn’t need to run was out early with a sore left groin too.
Joe Girardi may have won manager of the year with the Marlins but that was based on a few weeks time. The fact is he was under .500 with the team and he contributed to the injuries of some young pitchers by over working them.
Aside from the Yankees winning their own games, they need Tampa to lose, Boston to lose, and either MIN or CWS to lose a lot. That is A LOT of stuff that they need to happen.
Tampa Bay is the team of destiny this year.
Still can’t believe we’re gonna be watching playoff games in that half-empty tomb of theirs.
Bring Aceves Up , if he stinks then send him down but at least he see someone new
Like I said yesterday, I don’t usually get caught up parsing words from the guys in post-game interviews.
But, Kennedy’s comments are the kind of comments that will get certain guys on that team really ticked off.
I would bet that Pete, as well as the other beat guys, got stopped by players yesterday asking what Kennedy said.
Not all the players stick around or hear all of the post-game stuff. But, when something (like Kennedy’s comments) happens, you can be sure guys hear about it.
Pete could never say it because it would break confidences but, I would love to know how many guys on the team asked him what Kennedy said Friday night and their reactions to it.
Not the vanilla, “on the record” stuff. The off the record stuff. I bet a lot of guys weren’t happy with the kid.
Its not surprising to me that Pettitte was one of the guys to counsel him. He’s an even keel guy with a big heart.
Better him than the guys who would want take a shot at him! lol
“Aside from the Yankees winning their own games, they need Tampa to lose, Boston to lose, and either MIN or CWS to lose a lot. That is A LOT of stuff that they need to happen.”
Over 45 games? Not really. The magic numbers aren’t exactly approaching single digits.
sorry , we see someone new
Jen there is no doubt in my mind that vet was either Pudge or Damon. Pudge is a guy that is outspoken in the locker room he takes losses bad, young Ian is lucky he’s not on another team w/ Pudge in the same locker room because there is no doubt in my mind Pudge would punch him. HARD.
The Yankees wouldn’t have to worry about other teams if they took care of their own business…but, as O’Neill stated coming out of the Boston series where we won 2 of 3, and just finished an 8=game win streak, “we need to figure out who the real NYYankees team is…” and we have. Inbetween some win-streaks, the Yankees have been mediocre, at best. As a result, they can’t decide their own destiny any longer. When you leave it up to other teams, you just don’t deserve to be there.
“Tampa Bay is the team of destiny this year. How many games have they pulled out in thr late innings? ”
This time last year, people were making the exact same statements about the Seattle Mariners. Just sayin. I know Tampa is a much better team than Seattle was, but theyare pulling out all these amazing wins in the summertime and playing nearly 10 games over their XWL. JUST like Seattle last year. and they eventually came back down to earth and conformed to their XWL. I just don’t see why the same thing couldn’t or wouldn’t happen to Tampa.
“I would bet that Pete, as well as the other beat guys, got stopped by players yesterday asking what Kennedy said.”
Exactly –
Pete printed a quote from Moose saying ‘it wouldn’t be fair’ to say anything about what IPK said.
Then the tape recorder goes off.
Then Moose tells them exactly what he thinks
I think some of you are giving the players too much credit. If they were so upset about what IPK said, why wouldn’t they be upset about how many of them are sleepwalking through this season?
Bottom line, I really think there is only a handful of guys in that clubhouse who truly give a crap about winning or losing.
Re: Ian:
I feel somewhat encouraged by this, no actually very encouraged. The Yankees aren’t giving up on him, so I need to back off him as well. I appreciate the fact that Ian apologized and also that Andy took the time to talk to him. As I’ve said before, I don’t think Ian is a bad kid at all, so I’m sure when we see him again, he will be a different pitcher.
Can you imagine Ian Kennedy saying those comments w/ O’neill, Cone and Curtis in the same locker room ? (scary thing)
Does anyone remember the Mets collapse of last year too? I mean, I don’t expect one of those gigantic proportions, but it happens.
“Traber up, Kennedy down”
Traber is much more efficient than Ian, he can usually accomplish this same thing in less than one inning!
SJ44
Mike’s non comments spoke volumes. He didn’t have to say anything. Just that comment let you know what he thought about it.
Chad Curtis would’ve wrapped his roidarms around Kennedy’s neck and just snapped. Wasn’t it Curtis who called out Jeter for talking to another player during a brawl? Or was that someone else?
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As posted by several, Boston is also up to their ears with problems.
With Wakefield out and an ineffective Buchholz, they’re scratching their heads. Take Masterson out of the bullpen and it creates another bullpen flaw. Fatolo Colon is nowhere near ready.
And the plot thickens.
“Bottom line, I really think there is only a handful of guys in that clubhouse who truly give a crap about winning or losing.”
troll on . . .
I heard somewhere the Yankees are interested in Paul Byrd, so he could be the starter.
Other possibilities could be Aceves, Chase Wright, Rasner, Marquez, heck even Hughes (10000000-1 shot though) or Igawa (2.01 era in last 5 starts; 100000-1 shot)
Kennedy’s comments the other night have been so overblown.
Yes, he said something dumb. But I know I said a lot of dumb things too at the age of 23.
So has everyone else.
His comments weren’t so bad that he deserves to be lynched by both the fans and the media.
“Kennedy also apologized for his comments the other day, saying it didn’t come out the way he wanted.”
Really? Sorry, don’t buy it. His comments weren’t complicated or said in a way that they could be easily misconstrued. He apologized because he was told to do so. If the firestorm hadn’t erupted, he probably wouldn’t have.
Witha 7 game lead and 45 games left, TB could fall back to earth somewhat and it would still be nearly impossible for the Yanks to catch them.
The Yanks only shot is the WC and with this rotation and offense that is all but impossible at this point.
It’s August 10th people. At some point you just got to see things for what they are and save the hope for next season.
“Wasn’t it Curtis who called out Jeter for talking to another player during a brawl? Or was that someone else?”
And the next year – and I’m sure it was purely a coincidence, Curtis wasn’t on the team anymore.
Seems like . . . no, it is just a coincidence.
Clay Buchholz is the classic case of a young pitcher taking his lumps.
Last year, everybody was ready to annoint this kid as the next “great one”. Even earlier this season, all we heard was how “great” he was.
Now? He’s batting practice. He’s 24, older than both Hughes and Kennedy and with a lot more experience than either guy. Yet, he’s getting pounded.
In hindsight, Cashman’s problem was not refusing to trade for Santana. It was relying on TWO young guys to be in the rotation. In hindsight, that was a mistake. One would have been enough. Two? Too much to ask for in a big market like NY.
Its very, very tough to pitch for big market teams with little or no experience. Every young pitcher will take their lumps. Its much tougher to do it in NY and Boston because the pressure is so intense.
Ervin Santana can suck for almost TWO years (which he did) yet, the Angels can be patient and wait for him to snap out of it. Even though Arte Moreno thinks the OC is “LA”, it ain’t. Its a very soft market in terms of media coverage and pressure.
If Santana played in NY and Boston, the cries to DFA him or trade him would have been intense.
Not so in Anaheim, they got him going, and they have an under 30, top of the rotation guy.
Girardi is starting to get on my nerves. This time of year he’s going to get questions and he has to answer them apporpriatley without getting angry. I miss Torre.
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It was obvious what Moose really thought without him really having to say anything. Which doesn’t surprise me, that’s a sign of his above-average intelligence
but even though he wisely and classily didn’t deem it necessary to share his thoughts with the media, I do hope he talked to Ian. I mean I’m glad Andy talked to him. But given the similarities in pitching styles between Moose and him, if he doesn’t take Moose’s words to heart then there may be no getting through to him!
I really think a lot of it is just him being a n00b in media relations. But what I don’t understand is, how did the USC baseball program not prepare him for this sort of stuff?
Like I said earlier today, it seems like Proper Yankee Etiquette is now to commit harikari while on the pitcher’s mound during a bad start. if you think about your next outing instead, well then you’re not a real Yankee like Paul O’Neill and……Chad Curtis(???!!!)
another one to file away with “blame Melky,” “bench Jeter,” and “it would all have been OK if we had Santana” as “only on the LoHud blog” moments.
I like SJ’s single-A idea for IPK. The kid needs to learn on how to get big league hitters out. He seems to have everything else figured out. Here’s to his getting there and helping this team in the future.
Yes, Chad Curtis did criticize Jeter for not brawling with sufficient gusto. That didn’t help Curtis last with the Yankees but he was an inspiration to future Lohud blog posters.
So with Ian sent down, does this mean they might just bring up Hughes to take his start?
“Clay Buchholz is the classic case of a young pitcher taking his lumps.
Last year, everybody was ready to annoint this kid as the next “great oneâ€. Even earlier this season, all we heard was how “great†he was.
Now? He’s batting practice. He’s 24, older than both Hughes and Kennedy and with a lot more experience than either guy. Yet, he’s getting pounded.
In hindsight, Cashman’s problem was not refusing to trade for Santana. It was relying on TWO young guys to be in the rotation. In hindsight, that was a mistake. One would have been enough. Two? Too much to ask for in a big market like NY.
Its very, very tough to pitch for big market teams with little or no experience. Every young pitcher will take their lumps. Its much tougher to do it in NY and Boston because the pressure is so intense.
Ervin Santana can suck for almost TWO years (which he did) yet, the Angels can be patient and wait for him to snap out of it. Even though Arte Moreno thinks the OC is “LAâ€, it ain’t. Its a very soft market in terms of media coverage and pressure.
If Santana played in NY and Boston, the cries to DFA him or trade him would have been intense.
Not so in Anaheim, they got him going, and they have an under 30, top of the rotation guy.”
Stop. You’re making too much sense. They’re going to call you “negative” and ask you to leave for actually speaking some sense.
It just shows how bad the Yanks thought Kennedy performance and comments were. They are desperate for someone to pitch but weren’t willing to put up with his BS. Good for them. I am sure some bum off the street can’t be worse then him.
“Bottom line, I really think there is only a handful of guys in that clubhouse who truly give a crap about winning or losing.”
I disagree. You don’t know these players personally so you don’t know what they think or feel. I think that anyone that puts on the pinstripes does so because they want to win and they want to win as a Yankee. Look at Gary Sheffield. He practically said that his Marlins WS ring was crap because it didn’t have a NY one it. If you think these guys are just out there collecting a paycheck, you are mistaken. They are playing like crap, but not because they don’t care. In some cases, they care too much and it’s having an adverse effect on their performance (i.e. A-Rod).
Kennedy also apologized for his comments the other day, saying it didn’t come out the way he wanted. Several players, including Andy Pettitte, spoke to him about how better to express himself in the future.
Good
So with Ian sent down, does this mean they might just bring up Hughes to take his start?
w/ a pitch count of 85 I hope not.
“Girardi is starting to get on my nerves. This time of year he’s going to get questions and he has to answer them apporpriatley without getting angry.”
Girardi would be getting on my nerves if he WASN’T angry. You want the guy in charge to care enough that he is angry. We should all be angry over the way the Yankees have played this year. It’s beneath them.
I’d have to agree with Jorge, SJ44. You’re comments are too sensical and need to focus on outlandish, “bring-back Joe Torre” solutions. What’s your problem?
“the sux rotation without wakefield also gets hurt because he usually eats a lot of innings..”
Wakefield has been much more than a typical innings eater for the Sox this year. Much more.
He’s having an outstanding season. The second best of his career (2002).
Wakefield has an ERA of 3.67, ERA+ 121, and a WHIP of 1.17. Those are very good numbers for a #2 starter. And on top of that he’s averaging 6.4 innings per start. So not only is he giving them innings – he’s giving them very high quality innings.
In certain ways he’s been more valuable to them this year than Matsuzaka. Matsuzaka is only averaging 5.7 innings per start – that shortfall in his innings has to be made up for by boston’s awful bull pen. That makes up for the difference in ERA between Wakefield and Matsuzaka somewhat (3.67 vs. 2.90).
Losing him will be a big problem for Boston.
As it is their rotation is having troubles because Buchholz continues to have a terrible season. Very surprising how bad he’s been. Buchholz has already been lifted in the 4th inning of his start today. He has an ERA of 6.37 and a WHIP of around 1.7. The only reason they have him in the rotation is because they need to keep masterson in the pen because that’s been their biggest weakness.
Buchholz was considered to be neck and neck with Joba as the best pitching prospect in baseball with many people preferring Buchholz. Shows you how difficult the transition in for young pitchers.
Unless they make a trade they really have no one to slot into the rotation for Wakefield. No good option in AAA unless they decide to rush Michael Bowden – but he was just promoted to AAA from AA so I don’t know if they want to do that.
If Wakefield is out that really helps the yankees – it opens up an opportunity.
We’ll see if this yankee team can take advantage of that opening.
A person who learn from his mistakes is a lesser problem than an idiot who ignores having made mistakes
Please send Damon so we dont get the captain special…
Glad to see we aren’t the only team who can’t hit with the bases loaded. white soxs had them juiced with 1 out, and didn’t score.
I’m sure Clay will be a very good pitcher, but let’s see where the Keith Laws and Jim Callis’ of the world are. Hmm, nowhere to be found. When Phil struggled, it was because he was overrated and merely a potential #3. When Clay struggles, we get silence from those clowns.
great at-bat by the captain
Hey all, I wish I could find a way to bring some luck to our Yankees, but hopefully I did help today by turning on the Sux game, at which point Chicago (losing 3-1) immediate started pounding the ball. The score is now 5-3 Chisox.
I am happy to hear that Ian is sent down. Obviously the team felt the need for him to get more practice, perhaps of different types. Anyway, I think it’s as good for him as it is for the Yankees. Let him work out his stuff in scranton.
I was also happy to look at Robertson’s last outings and find that Molina caught some games where he gave up a lot of ER. I was immediately ready to jump on Pudge as the cause of the bullpen blowup. Then I looked and saw that he has successfully caught Ewar also. So both my bad and my relief. Is it possible that Molina might have stopped the bleeding since he knows the Angels better? It’s possible. But there’s no way to know that for sure.
I read the posts when I got home last night and noticed that someone named Max was calling me out for “disappearing” during Yankees losses and said that I and my optimism disappear when the Yankees are losing and I should therefore be DFA. Well if you check the posts I announced my departure when I left for a cookout and also predicted that innings 5-7 would be scoring innings for the Yanks. I know some people would love to DFA me on general principles, but I don’t think you can DFA me for having a track record for disappearing from games when the chips are down. That isn’t my style. So if you see Max you might want to share the news.
That said, and since I don’t know Max, I don’t know if his noting my absence was his way of challenging my optimism in the face of bad games and wanting to put me on the spot when the Yankees lose, as in “oh yeah, now what do you have to say about the Yankees?” Obviously in a game like yesterday’s, other than to feel great about what Griese did, there isn’t a lot to celebrate. But that doesn’t mean I can’t still look at the world the way some other posters did when they reminded everyone that one week is enough to turn the whole thing around. Good for you, the posters who had the presence of mind to do that.
I’ve never bailed on the Yankees and I will never bail on the Yankees. If I’m MIA it will always be for good reason.
Awesome AB by Jeter, literally because of the huge amount of pitches he took, and the fact he didn’t GIDP.
“His comments weren’t so bad that he deserves to be lynched by both the fans and the media.”
Yes they were. Did you watch the interview on YES? He’s standing there in front of the media after pitching like a little leaguer and he’s got a smirk on his face, all the while saying that he doesn’t care and that he’s not bothered by his piss poor performance.
This guy isn’t playing for SEA or BAL or PIT. He’s a Yankee and should act like one.
Jose Contreras ruptured his achilles tendon…is that career threatening, even though he is already 67 years old?
Girardi is starting to get on my nerves. This time of year he’s going to get questions and he has to answer them apporpriatley without getting angry. I miss Torre.
What do you want Girardi to do? Smile, giggle and joke around? I like that he is angry.
what do they do now that there’s no double play force?
“Glad to see we aren’t the only team who can’t hit with the bases loaded. white soxs had them juiced with 1 out, and didn’t score.”
According to my buds, who are die hard WS fans, they do this a lot.
What’s this thing they just did? Hitting with RISP? What a fancy concept!
that a boy bobby….
how do we only score one run on that?
Bobby has just been amazing w/ RISP this year.
nm, he froze on the line-drive
Which Arod will show up in this at bat? The great one or the psycho..?
This would be a good time for a meaningless tack-on run
I don’t blame Girardi for getting pissed. It was a stupid question he was asked.
paul- they cause the catcher to miss a ball that he should have caught, and moved up to second and third.
Wow our lefties are actually hitting lefty pitching?
They’ll get one run after this and then Andy will give up 6.
Seen this drill before.
Haha, imagine the angst of the uber homers on WGN when the White Sox leave the bases juiced? Do they have some special “can of corn”esque homer phrase for it?
Meanwhile, a 1st inning run?! :0
There’s your patented meaningless RBI.
Oh look! Run thingies!
so no runner on 2B he hits .295 w/ RISP
Why can’t we do this more often?
Hey they’re all so happy that Ian got sent down that they’re hitting!!!
He he he.
BOOO! Where’s the three run homer A-Fraud?
2 runs so far, planty of time yet to collapse
w00t!!
True Fact: I saw Don Mattingly, Larry Bowa, and Joe Torre in person last night. And I saw Manny strike out in a key situation.
True Fact: Derek Jeter just failed to GIDP.
True Fact: Arod just got a hit with RISP.
Draw your own conclusions.
“so no runner on 2B he hits .295 w/ RISP”
Is there more evidence needed that these things are incredibly random?
Why didn’t he slide?
I agree with sending him there…. but if he slides to the inside he scores
“2 runs so far, planty of time yet to collapse”
You are either an Angels fan or the worst Yankee fan in history.
I always get a charge of newbies accusing people of “bailing on the Yankees”.
There is this thing called a “life”. Sometimes, these trolls should try to have once in awhile.
It is summer and folks can do things other than spend 162 games on the blog.
130 or more? That’s ok. 162? Way too much! lol
“Yes they were. Did you watch the interview on YES? He’s standing there in front of the media after pitching like a little leaguer and he’s got a smirk on his face, all the while saying that he doesn’t care and that he’s not bothered by his piss poor performance.
This guy isn’t playing for SEA or BAL or PIT. He’s a Yankee and should act like one.”
Laura I totally agree and just want to add that his interview was a carbon copy of all the others he had when he was up at the beginning of the season. Maybe it just finally wore thin.
I hate the Yankees sometimes… Wow.
Look, I’ll take it. Joe Saunders is tough.
Well, two runs is better than none
“Why didn’t he slide?”
Abreu and solid objects are not close friends –
Which is one of many reasons that X is in RF next year imo.
well the yankees seem to back to their old tricks there.
“Why didn’t he slide?”
Abreu is probably the wimpiest ball player I’ve seen in awhile.
That was horrid baserunning.
Uggh. Yes they got 2, but 2nd and 3rd no one out, you gotta score more.
Nick: did you ask Bowa what it would take to get him back here next year?
This is how funny numbers are before that AB
Alex w/o a runner on 2B w/ RISP was 13 for 44 (.295)
w/ that base hit he is 14 for 45 (.311)
pathetic.. Just another example of not getting the job done. 2nd and 3rd nobody out and nothing… ending with a GIDP. Thats what bad teams do. And the Yankees are bad
patootie!
They’ll get one run after this and then Andy will give up 6.
Seen this drill before.
It has become all too predictable.
Good night and good luck people. I’m not wasting my time on thsi one today.
At least we waste Big Sexy, Christian, and Molina all next inning. Come on, Andy, 17-1 in avoiding the sweep, let’s make it 18-1.
Even when this team does something good, they somehow screw up in the process.
2 runs, but 2nd and 3rd no outs, and they don’t score another run. A bad slide and a horrible at bat from Cano and what could have been a HUGE 4 run inning is only two, and the Angels are let to stay in this game.
When you let a team like the Angels stay in the game by missing those chances, you are asking to lose.
Right there is the Yankees season in a microcosm
“Abreu and solid objects are not close friends –
Which is one of many reasons that X is in RF next year imo.”
And a stupid reason, if thats how they are indeed deciding it.
BBB: I was going to ask him but I didn’t want to wake him up.
“Look, I’ll take it. Joe Saunders is tough”
Yeah and like most tough pitchers, he’s probably going to settle down. Early is the time to get him. Maybe we can tack on a few more next inning before he starts getting into a rythym.
thank you Justin
We are now complaining about everything Philly fans hated about Abreu. A couple of friends warned me…
“Alex w/o a runner on 2B w/ RISP was 13 for 44 (.295)
w/ that base hit he is 14 for 45 (.311)
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If the guy on 2b is signaling to A-Rod where the pitch will be, he should stop. That’s is a strange stat.
Wondered why they didn’t bring up Scott Patterson or Strickland, and why it was Billy Traber until I looked up the recent stats and saw that Traber has given up only 1 run over the last ten relief appearances.
Anyone for getting Paul Byrd who is a FA unlike Washburn, and pitched a very good CG against Toronto yesterday? He’s cleared waivers.
Pete, this team hasn’t had that instinct because Cano and Cabrera have OBP’s at .300
The Rays must be feeling a confidence within themselves. In today’s St. Petersbug Times they’ve started posting the magic number of 44.
David Price has been promoted to AAA and hasn’t lost a game this year. If anybody in their starting staff falters, he’s ready for the call.
Even if they split the remaining games with the Yankees and Socks they don’t get hurt unless they fold against other teams. Who woulda thunk it ?
The DP’s have been a killer all season. Way too many and its an example of the lack of athleticism in the lineup.
Can’t be all slug, all the time.
You take two but, with a little better baserunning by Abreu and a better AB by Cano, it could have been more.
The key now (besides Andy pitching well) is to not stop hitting for the next 5 innings.
If you have Saunders on the ropes, finish the job.
It amazes me that hitters are batting .280 off of Pettite. He’s not fooling anyone anymore.
“We are now complaining about everything Philly fans hated about Abreu. A couple of friends warned me…”
Yep, think about that.
Philly fans.
You actually equated Yankee fans with Philly fans.
“And a stupid reason, if thats how they are indeed deciding it.”
So you enjoy Bobby’s defense and wall-o-phobia? OK.
Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman’s Much-Maligned Interns):
Sarcasm-a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
Brandon
Keep those runners of second.
Nick: Wake him up? I didn’t think Bowa was a snoozer…is he drinking Torre’s green tea now that he’s in LA?
of=off
This team has lacked killer instinct all season. No surprise they blew that.
Scott Patterson has been out with a mono type illness and Strickland is out with a bad back.
Important for Andy to have a 1-2-3- inning there and get the Yanks right back at bat.
““We are now complaining about everything Philly fans hated about Abreu. A couple of friends warned me…â€
Yep, think about that.
Philly fans.
You actually equated Yankee fans with Philly fans.”
I disagree. I have yet to see a Yankee fan complain about Abreu taking a walk in a clutch situation. They wanted him to be more aggressive.
“Sarcasm-a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain”
I’m familiar with it. Sorry for the mistake.
If the guy on 2b is signaling to A-Rod where the pitch will be, he should stop. That’s is a strange stat.
That is a dramatic difference, I mean w/ a runner on 2B he is 12 for 63 batting (.190), w/o a runner on 2B w/ today’s hit he’s batting (.311) w/ RISP
Nice inning for Andy and his “tired arm”. Get him some more runs.
I just think its somethng that Yankee fans have a “thing” about. And like being clutch or not being clutch it becomes something that people think regardless of how accurate or provable it is or not.
If you prefer people to throw themselves at walls and hurt themselves a la Damon just so they’re not considered wusses, then I get that. But I just dont’ think its really that important.
Philly fans can certainly be loathsome, especially during football season, but they all warned me too at that time and I think they were correct, at least about the walls.
They also said he wasnt clutch though, and I havent seen much evidence of that at all. But I do hate watching Bobby in the field just as they predicted I would. It’s crazy how the same player can be so compelling at the plate amd so cringeworthy in the field.
My mistake, I wasn’t looking at Bowa at all, I was looking at an ancient redwood. Oops!
“I disagree. I have yet to see a Yankee fan complain about Abreu taking a walk in a clutch situation. They wanted him to be more aggressive.”
I think he meant the not throwing himself at wall thing. Philly fans used to complain about that a lot.
“Two runs are great. But once again they had a chance to step on the neck of a starter and let him up. This team has lacked that instinct all season.”
Forgive me for the snark, but what does this even mean? Cano just didn’t realize they could score 3, 4, or 5 runs, so he figured they’d bounce into a double play?
I mean, if the guy’s approach in certain situations (A-Rod with runners on base this year) is bad, yeah, criticize him for it. And obviously it’s frustrating as hell to watch Jeter, Cano, A-Rod and the rest ground into about two double plays every night.
But how exactly is getting hits an instinct? It’s hard to hit a baseball, harder still to hit it where there aren’t fielders. If you got a hit every time you realized the at-bat’s importance, or whatever, everyone would bat .700.
That K pitch on Christian was a ball.
Inexperienced hitter? All close pitches are strikes. Inexperienced pitcher? All close pitches are balls.
I hate umpires.
“I think he meant the not throwing himself at wall thing. Philly fans used to complain about that a lot.”
Yes, but they didn’t appreciate that he drew 100 walks per year there. That’s one mistake we don’t make.
Brandon
Keep those runners of second.
I’m starting to believe what TK is saying, I didn’t at first but maybe his teammates are signaling where the pitch is going or what type it is and he just over swings because of it.
Oh and Philly fans also wanted him to hit leadoff (w/Rollins on the team, go figure) and thought he was too patient at the plate.
Patterson last pitched 8/09 against Syracuse giving up 2 runs in 1 inning.
Stricland last pitched 8/06 against Pawtucket giving up 4 runs in 1/3rd inning. Is that when he was dx with bad back?
Not getting game on TV. Why did Abreu run on ball hit to 3rd?
I think people also tend to remember the bad plays (and yeah, there have been some) more than the good plays, which would tend to balance out thinking that he’s always awful.
“If the guy on 2b is signaling to A-Rod where the pitch will be, he should stop. That’s is a strange stat.
That is a dramatic difference, I mean w/ a runner on 2B he is 12 for 63 batting (.190), w/o a runner on 2B w/ today’s hit he’s batting (.311) w/ RISP”
So, what’s your point? Do you honestly believe a man on 2nd makes ARod suck?
Or will you admit that hits are randomly distributed, regardless of who’s on what base?
“Yes, but they didn’t appreciate that he drew 100 walks per year there. That’s one mistake we don’t make.”
Yeah, they were never happy. I guess I just resent being compared to them at all, but then I can see where that comes from at times.
Nick in SF -
You lucked out – I was going to get tickets to see the UM Terps (my father’s alma mater) drop the Cal-Berkley protest shawls this coming football season.
Sadly, a scheduling snafu has changed my plans – averting weeks of pointless trash talk between you and me and I need to find a Tar Heel to heckle.
Count yourself lucky.
The frustrating thing is, men on second and third why is Nady grounding out to third? Bad baseball.
Patterson has missed a lot of time with that illness. He just came back.
Yes, re: Strickland.
I dont think Arods numbers with a runner on second have to do with signaling… I think it has more to do with him not getting a pitch to hit with 1b open. With only a runner on 2b he is hitting .147 (5-34) but he has 12 walks, 6 intentional with a .383 OBP
So, what’s your point? Do you honestly believe a man on 2nd makes ARod suck?
Or will you admit that hits are randomly distributed, regardless of who’s on what base?
I’m not ruling anything out I mean he’s been piss poor w/ RISP. There is no denying that, but I’m looking to see what keeps him in the .250’s w/ the way he takes his AB and the majority of the bad ones are w/ a runner at 2B.
“That is a dramatic difference, I mean w/ a runner on 2B he is 12 for 63 batting (.190), w/o a runner on 2B w/ today’s hit he’s batting (.311) w/ RISP”
Brandon,
People do this kind of thing a lot in baseball now as so much data is available to look at. Even guys at baseball prospectus do this at times.
But these kinds of findings are nearly always meaningless. They are just noise. If you keep parsing numbers and analyzing them enough you’ll always find odd things like that all of the time just by random chance.
This kind of thing is very well known in statistics – called Type 1 and Type 2 errors.
Has anyone else noticed that they have a kid announcing the players when they step up to bat?
This isn’t a matter of “luck,” it’s a matter of bat control and approach. The Yankees, with RISP and chances to put away teams, try to always do too much and pull outside pitches and hit into double plays, when good situational hitters would direct the ball to the right side to move the runners up or reach and try to get lift on the ball to get a sacrifice fly.
It’s not just luck, good hitters with good bat control and approach can actually direct the direction of the ball unless it’s say really far inside where they can’t get around on it. The Yankees have no sense of situational hitting- they hit into double plays with runners at 3rd and less than 2 outs and have no approach at the plate.
I could have not said it any better then Peter should be 4 and 0 not 2 and 0..
cano, what can I say that has not already been said but he just plain out SUCKS…
he should refund the Yanks there money..
I mean Arod got a hit with RISP there are miacles.
Abreu is such a woosie, he is scared of any contact of any type, wall, person, he is the standard bearer for the soft Yankees of 2008..
need to get rid of guys only concerned with numbers like cano and abreu and get guys who want to win
Thank you Matt, the score should at the minimum be 4 – 0. Jeter set the tone with that great at bat and Nady and Cano wimped out. Bad baseball.
TKinDC, I might go to that game, actually, though it could be hard to swing. I have family in Baltimore and some of them are Terp-simpatico.
Cal has a lot of question marks going into the season but I’m going to predict a big smackdown as the Bears do to the Terps what I did with a mallet to my steamed crab dinner in Ocean City.
You DO NOT RUN ON MOLINA !
Oh Jose…brilliant. That wasn’t even close!
Yes big DP there
Trade Jeter as soon as this year is over. We need a new SS with range.
Kennedy will come around hopefully.
That’s probably one of the reason’s Andy asked Girardi to have Molina catch him.
Molina pwns my soul
That was awesome
Molina needs to be the everyday catcher and Pudge should only come in when Molina breaks down or needs a breather. He’s head and shoulders better than Pudge defensively.
John Perrotto lists the Yankees as the front-runners to sign Freddy Garcia. The Mets and Rays are also suitors for Garcia.
The Yankees have “little interest” in pursuing Manny Ramirez this offseason, despite possible reports that Manny would like to play for them.
Wow, did you hear all those boos for Jeter? I didn’t know there were so many LoHud blog readers in Los Angeles of Anaheim!
“Wow, did you hear all those boos for Jeter? I didn’t know there were so many LoHud blog readers in Los Angeles of Anaheim!”
stuart is in the hizzy?
2nd and 3rd no out in the 1st. And they let him off the hook.
That pretty much sums up the season offensively.
…Wow, that was kind of depressing.
Saunders is in a grove now 48 pitches so far
As predicted, the Yankees miss a HUGE chance to put them away, Saunders settles in, and they have been retired 8 in a row since while the Angels are only 2 down and in this game still.
The Yankees really blew it in the first today. Those are the missed chances that lose you games against good teams. Hopefully Pettitte shuts them down because you just know this offense is going to mail it in for a while.
“Wow, did you hear all those boos for Jeter? I didn’t know there were so many LoHud blog readers in Los Angeles of Anaheim!”
Brandon is sitting in the front row???
“2nd and 3rd no out in the 1st. And they let him off the hook.
That pretty much sums up the season offensively.”
No, that sums up the last three or four years offensively. Joe Saunders will now throw seven shutout innings.
The thing is the Yankees were on a roll, Nady and Cano knocked the wind out of the whole team. Don’t the Yankees have a kangaroo court? Or you don’t embarass the stars. This team is soft. Too many years of Papa Joe.
damn that is insane range
I haven’t seen this bad a 7-8-9 in a Yankee lineup since the early 90’s.
This game is on Andy right now. I don’t see the offense scoring more than 4 runs.
Brandon is sitting in the front row???
with my laptop..I just flashed a middle finger..did you see that…look there it is again..did you catch it
arod cannot field anything not hit right at him
More bad news. Masterson has just come in and dominated for the Red Sox. He’s bascially unhittable today. And they’ve cut the lead to 6-5.
Kennedy isn’t pitching again this year.
That’s already a W.
“arod cannot field anything not hit right at him”
LOL
Okay I blame myself for this. I’ve been on a phone call and not paying attention. GO YANKEES!
ugh, the 8 and 9 hitters. That will always come back to haunt a pitcher.
arod cannot field anything not hit right at him
That wasn’t a love tap basehit you know
the flood gates are slowly opening.
Ruh Roh
“with my laptop..I just flashed a middle finger..did you see that…look there it is again..did you catch it
”
As Brandon checks the stats and splits on Erik Threets….
“arod cannot field anything not hit right at him”
Especially if its fielded out of his position.
When was the last time we won a game in Anaheim? Never minnd a season.
Nick in SF,
There’s no such thing as a false fact. Facts are by definition true. It’s like saying “free gift.”
Andy WTF ?
“a big smackdown as the Bears do to the Terps what I did with a mallet to my steamed crab dinner in Ocean City.”
Don’t mention steamed crabs around UM’s head coach Ralph ‘the Fridge’ Friedgen.
He makes Livan look like a bantam-weight.
Would have been nice to get another run or two in the first now…
What the hell?!?
These guys really seem to find ways to lose.
Matthew and Napoli barely hitting their weight and they wreak damage. Good luck with the top of the order.
i hate the angels so much
Here it goes……
If only predicitng the lottery was as easy as predicitng Yankee games this year.
This team is trash.
Ouch, Andy.
2nd and 3rd, no out, the Angels will show the Yanks how it’s done.
Its amazing the number of cheap hits the angels get!
We don’t have the bats this year. It happens.
There better not be anyway the Yanks give Andy 16 million next year.
calld play…. 1st baseman missed the call?
The Angels are the Yankees daddy
Don’t you DARE blame Andy today. Don’t you DARE.
This is all, as usual, on the OFFENSE.
What did you expect him to seriously do? Throw a shutout? Are you out of your freaking minds? This is the Angels!
We had Saunders on the ropes. Should have had 3 or 4 runs in the first and stepped on their throats, but instead, we choked, as usual, in situational spots, let them back in the game, and now they are going to beat us.
This team has nobody to blame but themselves for their position in the standings. It’s not the injuries. It’s not the schedule. It’s THEM. They’ve given away game after game by playing like garbage offensively and defensively in crucial spots of winnable games.
Who’s mop-up man today??
Bemoan the offense, but Andy owes the team a good outing, and he’s just not giving hit. Just gives up too many damn basehits.
Did you ever think there would be a general sigh of relief to see that tomorrow’s pitcher is Sidney?
And there you go. Thats another great way to start loosing yet another ballgame… Sexson is in line for todays gameball! Well done
Somewhere JT is blaming Pudge for this.
I’m out – the inmates have taken over the asylum again.
no way the angels take care of biz with RISP, how can that happen?
I thought it is just luck? You mean AYbar just trying to hit the ball, not try to hit HR!!!
No way the Yankee way wins, trying to be a hero works doesn’t it?
Again the angels 9th batter is killing the yanks..
the horror show may be starting.. will mr pettitte get a pass???
these team is a friggin disgrace…Cano thanks for the clutch DP in the first, way to go with the pitch..Jeff mathis and mike napoli have killed this team, that is one depressing statement…
Johnny Damon’s Beard, you are clearly unaware of the current hierarchy of factualism as established in the video “Baker’s Dozen”:
True ‘dat.
Double true.
And Andy is supposed to be a 2nd half pitcher.
He has killed us as much as anything or anyone else.
it’s Andy’s Fault.
Can’t blame Sexson.Pettitte needs to be shown the door next year or take HGH.Sad MO is the only player of the late 90’s dynasty helping us this year.
If we get out of this with three runs, we’re lucky.
Then the rest is on the offense.
Well I think we’ve all seen this movie before. This will be Andy’s bad inning that kills us because the offense will do nothing the rest of the day after the blown opportunities in the 1st.
I hope there is a different ending today, but it’s becoming difficult to be optimistic.
Well at lease he limited the damage. Yanks are only down by 1.
Pettitte is not going to throw a shutout. You have to score more than 2 runs with 2nd and 3rd no outs against a struggling pitcher in the first inning. It’s all on the offense.
If you score 2 runs, you will lose most of the time, period. You can’t score 2 runs in the first and give away the rest of your at bats. This is all on the offense, stop kidding yourselves.
Someone Else August 10th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I’m out – the inmates have taken over the asylum again.
Good riddance to bad fans.
I guess that could have been a lot worse. I have so little faith in the offense, though.
Playoffs u kiddin me playoffs lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdUr5hF0yGc
Andy P is why we will lose. If a team gives you 2 runs to work with you hold the other team to 1.
That’s pitching. No excuses.
surgically the angels just score 3 runs in a flash. fpr the yanks to have a 3 run inning thye need to smoke about 7 balls.
abreu caught that ball because it was not within the 9 foot wall danger zone. abreu has in his contract to catch the ball near the wall he needs addtl. hazard pay….
3 and 2 it should be 4 to 3 yanks or better. but hey let the offense off the hook for the 100th time…
It’s not all on Andy and 2/3 of it is on the offense but that pick off move was ridiculous (that was on him, that wasn’t a set play), as for his pitching, he is starting to leave pitches up.
the ads on YES between innings about the glory days of the yankees need to stop.
I’d have faith in the offense is Posada was catching, Matsui was playing and we had a 1b.
Look for A-Rod to start off the inning with a hit, followed by another hit by Nady, Cano fouls off 7 pitches and works a walk and Sexson hits GS!! NOT!!
Dudes,we have 6 more innings to score runs. Calm down.
Rage on, stuart!!
tell these millionaires what is what
“Andy P is why we will lose. If a team gives you 2 runs to work with you hold the other team to 1.
That’s pitching. No excuses.”
So if we score 10 runs, the pitcher can suck as much as he wants? No.
nice baserunning there
Looks like Lowell took A-Rod lessons.
TAKE A PITCH YOU ASSH****
There’s something wrong with Andy’s arm. He’s trying to minimize it to stay in the rotation as they need him.
But something is wrong. Whether it’s a sore elbow or tired arm or whatever. Something is wrong with his arm. That’s pretty clear.
Nady is awesome
good hard sliierde by xavier
great baserunning by a rod
Nady was great on that one..
Thank you Octavio Dotel.
Cano really needs to hustle every at-bat. You can tell when he’s not hustling and when he is. If he does hustle, the 1st inning is prolonged today. His hustle kept him out of the DP just now.
Andy doesn’t really look right at all.
Yay, a run.
CB you’re right. Don’t forget that it was announced that he was not going to be in the rotation on Sunday and then he was put in because they needed him to pitch.
Go daylight!
A-Rod is such a great player. he’s a great baserunner, on top of everything else.
in my lifetime, i’ve never seen an athlete who’s so underappreciated as A-Rod. the NY press treats him as irresponsibly as the Boston media treated Ted Williams.
And there’s a significant minority of Yankee fans who follow that lead.
The avis guy has lips like a rod
A-Rod walks
Nady singles on an 0-2 pitch.
Can swings at the first pitch and nearly GIDP for the second straight at bat.. Dumb, just dumb.
So A-rod makes a good baserunning play that leads directly to a run and it barely gets mentioned. Had he struck out, there would have been 35 instant posts about how bad he is.
Pettitte needs to take his fraudulent cheating butt back to Texas with his lying cheating buddy after this season.
Time to move on.
But of course he won’t smile in the postgame so he’s ok.
George: there are two sides to that coin. Ted Williams treated the Boston media terribly.
Off Topic – Issac Hayes died.
I don’t know how you can compare Kennedy to Glavine in any way.
Glavine, even when doing poorly, threw about 93-94 with good control as a young pitcher.
Kennedy is just not a major league pitcher. He throws 87-88 with poor control. Even if he somehow gets pinpoint control, he hasn’t established himself enough to get the corners.
I was convinced then, and convinced now. Not trading Kennedy in a package for Santana will cost Cashman his job. Good riddance to both Kennedy and Cashman.
he got the shaft
You just get the feeling that the Yankees are on the verge of some real offensive damage today. Meaning doing damage to the Angels.
“in my lifetime, i’ve never seen an athlete who’s so underappreciated as A-Rod. the NY press treats him as irresponsibly as the Boston media treated Ted Williams.”
I posted this the other day with exactly that thought in mind. I thought these quotes were interesting in that regard:
†Ted Williams should do himself a favor. He should quit baseball before baseball quits on him.â€â€”HAROLD KAESE, BOSTON GLOBE, 8/8/56
†Ted Williams , great though he be, must learn that he is not more important than baseball, the Red Sox or the American League .â€â€”BILL LEE, HARTFORD COURANT, 8/8/56
“If his noodle swells another inch, Master Ted Williams of the Boston Red Sox won’t be able to get his hat on with a shoehorn. For when it comes to arrogant and ungrateful athletes, this one leads the league.â€â€”JACK MILEY, N.Y. POST, 8/19/40
“Anybody who saw him in the holiday double-header would say the Boston fans are justified in anything up to throwing him into the Charles River …his one long hit of the day was well belted, but he gave up and settled for a double.â€â€”JACK ORR, N.Y. COMPASS, 6/2/50
“It wasn’t until he became Williams the $80,000 and $100,000 salaried ballplayer that he began to indulge himself in such peccadilloes as grounding to the second baseman and walking to the bench without taking a token stride to first base.â€â€”JOHN DREBINGER, N.Y. TIMES, 8/9/56
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You get that feeling Trish?
Really?
Try living in reality.
Today is what they call a must win.
Are you kidding me? Are we really comparing Andy to Ian Kennedy?
TKinDC, I just checked and neither the Bears nor the Terps appear in the top 25 of the pre-season coaches poll, but they are both among the “Others Receiving Votes”:
California 41
Maryland 4
Which effectively places Cal at #32 and Maryland at #45 in the poll. Can’t wait to see what the spread will be. The point spread, not the Terps’ coach’s spread.
Andy just needs a few HGH shots and he’ll be ok.
Lying cheater. Go home once and for all.
Nice trolling “Stan”. Should we call you SJ44? No one hates on trisha quite like you, SJ44. Class act all the way.
Pete
What is the deal with this team disclosing information?
Two nights ago Joe says Kennedy is in the rotation… they send him to Scranton.
Injuries are a mystery for days… When jose contreras blew out his achilles white sox fans knew before the game ended.
What the hell is the big secret?
Thank you lord.
And that’s why you play X.
Nice relay from Nady to A-Rod to Molina. Out by several feet.
I thought Nady caught that, but the run didn’t score, so I’m fine.
Nice play by the Yanks
Did anyone see that heads up play by Cano on the steal? he made Matthews believe he had the ball by keeping his hand on him even thought the ball was in center. He would not have advanced regardless, but I love to see those little plays.
Why does Nady play so deep? Good relay from Arod.
A-Rod is not appreciated because he doesn’t hit when it counts.
It’s not hard to comprehend.
Reality is not sitting here blogging for hours 9 months a year and watching overpaid underachieveing men of mostly poor character play a boy’s game.
“Don’t forget that it was announced that he was not going to be in the rotation on Sunday and then he was put in because they needed him to pitch.”
It wasn’t announced – the Daily News wrote a story.
Feinsand got it wrong – (and then Pete needled him a little)
None of this means that Andy is feeling fine of course – neither am I until we win a game
Whoa
“Glavine, even when doing poorly, threw about 93-94 with good control as a young pitcher. ”
Glavine never threw that hard. Not even close. Glavine sat in the high 80’s on his fastball around 87-89.
He was successful from the start based on control and changing speeds.
He’s the best case scenario for a guy like Kennedy. He’s a good comparison for Kennedy in the sense that both have below average fastballs.
You may be thinking of John Smoltz who did throw 93-94. Or perhaps Steve Avery who was the lefty on their early teams who had an electric fastball. Glavine didn’t throw that hard.
Joe said he is in the rotation for now. Is he supposed to say he’s not making his next start before talking to Cash? I mean really use your head.
Weird – Hayes has a movie coming out with Bernie Mac. Samuel L. Jackson is in it, too. He better watch out.
“California 41
Maryland 4
Which effectively places Cal at #32 and Maryland at #45 in the poll. Can’t wait to see what the spread will be. The point spread, not the Terps’ coach’s spread.”
Wow – you’re going to give me 37 points? OK – we’re on!
(the blog has helped my ruthless editing skillz!
Please mail the Moose Bars to:
“It wasn’t announced – the Daily News wrote a story.”
I thought “that’s news to me” was the same thing as an official announcement in Girardi-speak.
Her it comes…..GIDP
“A-Rod is not appreciated because he doesn’t hit when it counts.”
These days Jeter is not hitting even when it is not needed, leave alone when it is needed. And his defense his below average unlike ARod. Time to bash him too
No gidp now barring some unusual play
Micheal Kay said on Friday that the Yanks did want to skip Pettitte but that the state of the rotation was such that they decided they needed him to go.
That is why Damon is a catalyst.
Yanks need him back next year.
Abrue should get the walking papers.
Or, Matsui should be traded if some one bites.
Wow, Vlad really does have a cannon. Everyone knows that, but if someone a bit slower was running, Vlad might have another OF assist.
“A-Rod is not appreciated because he doesn’t hit when it counts.”
Easy to say but it also ignores his defense and baserunning. He isn’t a one dimensional player like so many others on this team.
celebrities die in threes … whos next?
My vote is Rosie
Did Nady miss the cutoff man again??? I thought the SS is the cutoff on a play to left.
That really stinks, Bobby.
No gidp now barring some unusual play
You just couldn’t wait could you..
OK, this may be 20/20 hindsight, but if the Yankees really figured Kennedy wasn’t ready for MLB but they had no other options, and also knowledge that Hughes is about 10 days away, why didn’t Giese start Friday and Kennedy yesterday. With the off-day Thursday, Kennedy wouldn’t have to start again and by the next turn in the rotation you could bring in Hughes.
And as I speak, another poor job by the Yanks getting in a runner from third with less than two outs.
Bottom of the 8th, Chisox still winning 6-5.
RUN SAM RUN
No man on 2nd base?
A little road test for my pet theory!
And that was pitiful. I feel really bad for Damon. At least he came to play.
Curses
Pathetic
down to .304 w/ RISP w/o a runner on 2B
Wasted opportunity after another… Just bad baseball. When eas the last time a Yankee scored on a Sac fly? I cant remember….
“A-Rod is not appreciated because he doesn’t hit when it counts.
It’s not hard to comprehend.”
That’s exactly what people said about Ted Williams. That was exactly the criticism that the press and fans made about him.
He never hit in the clutch. He wasn’t a winning player, etc, etc.
He was a career .344 hitter but none of the hits he ever got mattered.
Williams hit .200 in post season play over his career. He only had 25 at bats but that didn’t matter.
He just wasn’t “clutch.” That reputation plagued Williams his entire career and for years afterwords.
maybe they are saving all the runs for 2009?
more clutch hitting from our big boys!!!
Why don’t you guys blame Melky.. Abreu with some more pathtic AB’s.. Pathetixc is a polite term for our stars..
they just suck…I cannot believe how unclutch t his team, each day I just shake my head..
A-Rod is not appreciated because he doesn’t hit when it counts.
Is anyone hitting when it counts?
The Rays are handling Seattle. Isn’t that incentive enough to get runners home ?
whoa whoa whoa whoa ..It’s probably because I’m young and didn’t pay attention to Red Sox players but CB you mean to tell me Boston hated Ted Williams ?
When you make $27 million you should hit when it counts.
Nice play.
yeah cb compare Ted WIlliams 25 postseason AB’s to Arods hundreds of AB’s with RISP..
classic, Arod is just misunderstood, I get it….
Arod’s AB’s are pretty predictable and it is sad how little teams respect him right now. you think manny, ortiz, vlad, would get pitched to in that situation.
hmmm close play…long reach
On the radio – Feinsand is talking about an interview with IPK after he heard he was leaving.
nice play jete….glad our first baseman is 9 ft. tall
and……..
What was that conference all about?
Comon Andy, let’s get out of this.
TKinDC
Anything interesting said?
This is neither a defense nor an attack of A-Rod. Two years ago and again last year, the Daily News anonymously surveyed scouts. Their take? They would absolutely pitch to A-Rod in big postseason spots…and their reports to their teams said the same thing.
I don’t think we want to to draw this Arod-Ted Williams parallel too closely since Williams’ resume is missing an important item that we eventually want to see on Arod’s.
And I’m not sure Arod wants his head frozen, unless that’s kabbalah-approved.
Nice pitching Andy, now let’s get this offense going..
That is huge- now we need some runs. Please. Cano is due for something other than a first pitch grounder to second.
Here’s what I’m thinking about Arod – not that posters don’t have the right to be down on them if they so choose. Arod is a phenomenal athlete. I don’t think he purposely tries to strike out when runners are in scoring position. He very well may feel a lot more pressure to come across then and presses and you’ve seen ther results. He also has had more personal problems than carter’s has pills. And no matter how cavalier he acts, someone who sees two separate psychiatrists and is in counseling fourt days a week is definitely affected by what goes on around him.
Anyway, I hope he continues to get the hits that have come of late, and I hope he finds a way to get runners in, but if I have to make a choice between him hitting solo homers or not getting runs in at all, I will take the solo homers.
Nice stop by Jeter. Hopefully Andy gets out #3 and the offense gets some runs in.
So that I can’t be accused of hanging out only when the Yankees are winning, I am going to leave now with the score tied. This isn’t the most pleasant place to be today.
GO YANKEES!
been thinking about a conversation above about whether or not an announcement has to be verbal or can it be printed:
If you are getting married and in the paper, it’s an announcement. If your dead, it’s an obituary.
If the Yanks don’t start something here soon, there’s gonna be some kind a announcement
“I don’t think we want to to draw this Arod-Ted Williams parallel too closely since Williams’ resume is missing an important item that we eventually want to see on Arod’s.”
You want A-Rod to be a war hero?
“you mean to tell me Boston hated Ted Williams ?”
Boston had an intense love-hate relationship with Ted Williams – unfortunately there was a lot of hate involved.
At that time he was often thought of as a player who was all statistics and no substance. He wasn’t “clutch,” he wasn’t a “winning” player. He cared more about his batting average than the team. He would always hit when it didn’t matter but not in the big spot, etc., etc.
If you didn’t see it – just read some of the quotes from the media about Williams from my 4:53 post.
He his .406 with a .553 OBP and a .735 slg % in a season but those were just statistics – none of those hits came when it mattered.
That was the constant criticism of Williams – he was constantly compared to Dimaggio in an unfavorable light.
Dimaaggio was the “winner” who got all of the big hits when it mattered.
Williams was over rated, didn’t get hits in big spots and just wasn’t a winner.
Who does that sound like know…?
“Anything interesting said?”
They said to stop worrying about results in AAA but rather he should work on the pitches he needs to get big league hitters out.
Also – they said he was getting called back up in Sept.
Pettitte took IPK aside and had a Vet to rookie chat about how to say things properly when talking to the media.
Those were the main points as far as I could tell.
I have to say that it does have to be tough for folks who really thought, in their heart of hearts, that the 2008 Yanks were going to be just like the 2007 Yanks and go on this great post-ASB run, and then watch them look an awful lot like the same team they were in the first half. the immediate post-ASB streak probably didn’t help matters either.
hopefully, there’s a mix next year who shows up and gives us 162 games of baseball.
don’t equate that with giving up on this year. this is about assuming the team is always going to go on a second-half streak after a subpar first half.
…We need runs, so of course the first man up whiffs.
Wonderful.
Thanks TK
“I don’t think he purposely tries to strike out when runners are in scoring position. ”
No, really?
CB: That’s a really interesting analogy you’re trying to pursue there.
Thanks tk.
CB –
Have you ever seen reports on the kind of attendance numbers they had in Fenway back then? Even when they were in it they only drew 1/2 full crowds.
please score multiple runs.
Terrible day by Cano
11 men left on base… that’s gonna kill us.
“They said to stop worrying about results in AAA but rather he should work on the pitches he needs to get big league hitters out.
Also – they said he was getting called back up in Sept.
Pettitte took IPK aside and had a Vet to rookie chat about how to say things properly when talking to the media.”
All good points, and signs of the organization looking past the ridiculous talking points of the past few days and looking at the kid’s development.
Even Kay and Singleton got in on the act a few innings ago. It’s like following the presential campaign. A dumb point is made, its said over and over, and people start believing it.
I never knew that CB, heck I wasn’t even born at that time. Amazing comparison. I going to look for quotes on this.
“someone who sees two separate psychiatrists and is in counseling fourt days a week”
You know this how? Source please.
Edwards smiles more that IPK
I wonder what Sexson, or even the Yankees for that matter, are waiting for..
o/t
Ben Curtis has a chance to win a major golf championship and he is wearing Detroit Lions Colors?
There is material here – let me ponder!
who knew Andy Pettite could breakdance?
nice play.
Clarification:
John Edwards smiles more than IPK
Great job, Andy…hope he’s ok
If you want to cry check out some of the OBP’s on the Yanks..look at cano, melky, betemit, molina, wow the yare scary..
Cano at 300, yeah he is the next rod carew!!!!
ABreu with some reall clutch AB’s today.. He has the softest 77 RBI’s I have seen in years.
this team is softer then the Michelin man…
this team can bring yankee fans to tears….it is that pathetic..
“Terrible day by Cano”
You could say the same for about 90 games of the season.
Oh jesus, the last thing we need is another injured starter.
This team cannot stay healthy. It has gotten comical.
you have got to be kidding me.
Maybe we should wrap Moose in bubble wrap before letting hm take the mound.
No more injuries!
here goes Kay again with the IPK crap. Kay belongs on the Sunday morning talk show circuit, sitting in between Cokie Roberts and Pat Buchanan and talking about “celebrity.”
Pettite’s fine, folks, but wouldn’t that have been something…
Rebecca,
For the start’s of their careers Jeter and ARod looked like a carbon copy of Dimaggio and Williams.
TK,
The history of Boston baseball is not nearly as pretty as people want to believe it is.
Brandon,
Take a look at any book about baseball or the yankees in the 1940’s and 50’s. They’ll talk about how Williams was never embraced as a player.
But then, when Mickey Mantle first came up he was also thought to be over rated and yankee fans didn’t like him that much either. They were always comparing him to Dimaggio in a negative light.
Baseball has such a long history. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Andy appears to be fine. Got the last 2 outs of the inning.
“You know this how? Source please.”
“The Yankees’ third baseman said during the interview he has seen at least three therapists, and is currently seeing two.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ame25.html
This article is old but I’ve read a lot more recent saying he still sees therapists four days a week.
Lets see if they let Andy come back out for the next inning. Look he had the one bad inning, but he has grinded it the entire game.
Now it is the offenses turn to score enough runs so we win.
“more clutch hitting from our big boys!!!
Why don’t you guys blame Melky.. ”
Stuart, what is your fascination with Melky?
He is not in the line up and no one is blaming him for how this game is going.
Note to self: Post of the day- “John Edwards smiles more than IPK”
Good job!
What are the odds JC runs here?
“This article is old but I’ve read a lot more recent saying he still sees therapists four days a week.”
Many folks with a ton of money in this city see psychoanalysts who schedule them several times a week.
As an actual licensed mental health professional, I do have to ask what the friggin’ point in all this is. Anyone who is trying to draw an analogy between A-Rod’s seeing a therapist and his performance or character as a baseball player is, at best, absolutely ignorant.
Let’s see how we don’t score now.
good start now get him home already
Trisha
That article is so misguided. He was seeing sex therapists 3-4 times a week. You know that chick up in Toronto, now Madonna, etc.
get him home
I didn’t mean to malign therapy- in fact every true Yankee fan probably needs some the way this season has been going.
John Smoltz saw a psychiatrist who helped his anxiety and enabled him to focus, by sitting behind home plate.
We don’t get this run in, we don’t deserve to win this game.
Here comes Captain SLUMP!
So the consensus is that Arod is very talented but sometimes seems to press?
I feel I’ve learned something today.
How many more runners are the Yankees going to leave at 3rd base with less than 2 outs?
What a surprise.
our 2008 yankees- unclutch
Brandon,
Take a look at any book about baseball or the yankees in the 1940’s and 50’s. They’ll talk about how Williams was never embraced as a player.
But then, when Mickey Mantle first came up he was also thought to be over rated and yankee fans didn’t like him that much either. They were always comparing him to Dimaggio in a negative light.
Baseball has such a long history. The more things change the more they stay the same.
I guess we learn something everyday CB.
My point was merely that Arod is not as self assured and cavalier as he appears to be. I gave the example of his being in therapy four days a week as proof of his having problems in life. I am also postulating that what is going on in his personal life may be affecting him and could also showing up in his game.
Just food for thought.
like watching a replay
Here comes the grounder to second.
Runner at 3rd, less than 2 outs. Both times our guys haven’t gotten them in with the “gimme” run. This season is entirely on our lack of situational hitting in key spots.
Damon is hitting .380 with RISP.
Jeter has to prove his worth here.
Well he is not clutch just like ARod
and the crowd roars
This is unbelievable.
Well that was an awful inning. Not sure that I agreed with the bunt, with Justin running.
what was so special about that catch? routnine pop-up. standard yankee play
outstanding, that looked like a routine catch to me.
mr. used-to-be-clutch… sigh
Girardi loves giving away outs.
I hate Michael Kay. I want him to impartial, but he gets so excited for the opposition it is amazing.
how many outs does girardi give away today?
we cant hit with risp so shouldnt we take the most possible chances and not give away outs?
No, children. Derek Jeter does not have an edge.
“I am also postulating”
Hey – keep it clean – this is a family website
So while I think the Yankees still have one more run in them, I think since the 8 game winning streak, they have been exposed for many many flaws that need to be addressed in the offseason.
It will be interesting to see how Cashman addresses not only the line up(they should look to package some trades) but getting the right mix with the coaches.
Girardi still has some learning to do on his my way or the highway approach.
Open the flood gates. Here come the Angles……..
“As an actual licensed mental health professional, I do have to ask what the friggin’ point in all this is. Anyone who is trying to draw an analogy between A-Rod’s seeing a therapist and his performance or character as a baseball player is, at best, absolutely ignorant.”
Hysterical! Remind me not to send people in your direction. This is the first I would have ever heard of an “actual licensed mental health professional” who would think to suggest that things going on in a person’s life that would bring them to therapy might not have an affect on other parts of their lives.
Yanks are headed towards a short season.
Girardi going for the 1 run lead. That worked out real well yesterday.
What a shocker that this pathetic offense yet again is throwing away a game.
1st inning- 2nd and 3rd, no outs, after 2 runs already in.
Result: No more runs score after Abreu’s bad base running and a GIDP.
5th inning- Runner at 3rd, 1 out, Abreu up.
Result: Abreu grounds out into the drawn in infield on the 2nd pitch, A-Rod flies out and no run scores.
7th inning- Runner at 3rd, 1 out, Damon and Jeter up.
Result: Damon strikes out, Jeter gets robbed of a hit on a nice play by Kendrick, but yet again, no run scores.
They have nobody to blame but themselves. Their lack of situational hitting is throwing away a very winnable game. Good teams score at least 1, maybe 2 of those runs. That makes a huge difference in this game.
The pitching means nothing if you can’t score key runs like that.
I can’t believe they are THIS bad. They must not be trying hard at all..
yeah Helno the key to that innings was not letting Molina hit!!!!
get a f in brain..
shocking our big stars did not come thru, but we have another mron complaining about Girardi since Melky is not playing today..
1 out man at 3rd I think 3 inning already today and zero runs… but blame it on not letting the 270 OBP Molina hit, really are you that stupid????
i’m a fan but if your top 4 guys in the lineup cannot get a runner in from 3rd with one out on 2 separate occasions when you must win, they don’t deserve to win.
why be disappointed in this? This team is what it is…I applaud the Angels because they obviously know how to get it done. it would be real easy for the Angels to concede today since they’ve already blown them out twice and are way ahead in the division, but they want to win
Oh give me a break that’s a routine play !
thats a play that Cano makes all the time.
if i was ford id pull that jeta commercial. his edge sucks
bunting molina there is a smart baseball play in general. but not for this team. he has just as much of a chance of getting a hit in a big spot as captain can’t turn on a fastball. nice job by cano, abreu, and damon today with runners on 3rd and less than two outs. they aren’t big players for us or anything, and we don’t need those runs, so don’t worry.
pettitte will have to carry us to a win here.
Michael Kay is on the next celebrity to die list?
Matt,
This has been going on all season, look at the damn #’s..
they have not gotten it done ALL YEAR…
I don’t think Jeter has his “Edge” anymore??
I swear please just ban Micheal Kay already.
“Girardi still has some learning to do on his my way or the highway approach.”
Please give some examples. You are barred from saying he did not give he information Pete wanted
“Even Kay and Singleton got in on the act a few innings ago. It’s like following the presential campaign. A dumb point is made, its said over and over, and people start believing it.”
Noooo, yankee fans never do that.
what an outstanding catch- o wait its a routine lineout to right
Everybody reports Abreau’s hitting streaks and Damons hitting good with RISP.But we still lose all the time.
“we cant hit with risp so shouldnt we take the most possible chances and not give away outs?”
In general I agree. But this time it was Molina up at the plate.
Molina is an awful hitter. His OBP is only .281 so there’s a high probability that he makes an out there anywhere.
I don’t like the bunt either – but it’s different with Molina.
Again – Damon was hitting .380 with RISP this season so getting the guy to third with Molina at the plate should work in theory.
YANKEENATE WITH TOTALLY ACCURATE WORDS.
i only dream the Yanks play like the angels….
hey stuart – its amazing how stupid you could be to insult my opinion while supporting it. i know you didnt realize you were doing that but most people of your intellect dont realize those types of things. as you yourself say you arent surprised that our top guys didnt come thru there. i agree. that is why you cant give away chances. molina isnt a great hitter but we have a fast runner on base and its much more likely we will get a hit in 3 chances than in 2 chances. thats just a fact. maybe you should get a clue before wasting your time and everyone elses by posting.
Wow.
Oversliding the bag. Nice play by the D (I guess)
That’s just Manny being Manny.
You know it’s bad when YES Network starts calling routine plays “AN OUTSTANDING PLAY!” Cano does that….
WHAT A PLAY BY CHRISTIAN !!!
Any way Cano does that in his sleep.
In other news further up the west coast, the first place team is having an easy day.
Kay really looks like high on something today
If the Yankees lose today, you’ll hear:”we have to start winning games.” And if they get eliminated, you will hear “we have to start winning games”.
Novenmer interview to Girardi: What do you need to do in ‘09.
“We have to start winning games”
Caught a break there… if only we had hitters, we could take the lead next.
Funny everyone in baseball knows what the Angels are going to do to beat you, except the yankees
also stuart – by bunting you are basically admitting you are playing for 1 run. i guess you think that 1 run lead (which we didnt get) would hold up. of course based on recent history that thought is completely moronic and you certainly shouldnt be leaving the game in our bullpens hands but hey everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how silly.
trisha
Many teams employ mental health professionals. Many players utilize them. Psychoanalysis of an athlete might best be left to a professional and not a random person with no personal knowledge of the situation on a blog.
If you would have told me Andy would give up 3 runs over 7 innings, I don’t think anybody here (ok, well mostly everybody) would have been thrilled!
Now let’s get some runs.
Aybar overslid the bag…. bobby meacham is to blame.
Alex Rodriguez gave, what was it, a million dollars to the Children’s Aid Society because of how they were able to help him through as a kid? That, and his talk of still being in therapy, won him a ton of respect from some folks.
There are thousands of people walking the streets of NYC right now who are completely “self-assured” (whatever that means) and choose to be in therapy. It is not a sign of weakness in a human being.
We’ve covered whether what’s going on in someone’s life affects their play ad nauseum on here. If Trisha likes, we can start that thread again for the 10,000th time. I’d rather talk about that nice put-out I just saw at second.
Fearless prediction.
We will score a run this inning and all will be forgotten.
oh wow Coney w/ those words.
Can someone please give me an acceptable time to bunt! Jeter shouldn’t have bunted last night, Molina shouldnt have bunted today (you bunt in both situations there, FYI )…so since there are people here that believe that you shouldnt bunt, I’d like to know when you are supposed to?
Ok A-Rod, no one is on base at the moment. You can hit a HR now
but a double is almost as good
You think listening to Kay on YES is bad? Try listening to Rex Hudler talk about the HALOS. He said earlier that Ruth, Dimaggio couldn’t beat these Angels. Pleeeease????????
Please somebody get ARod home.
oh well, another meaningless double with no RISP
Post of the night.
Ok A-Rod, no one is on base at the moment. You can hit a HR now
Stop man just stop
If only he could do that with a runner on.
Kay is in love with the Angels. Nauseating.
Ok Xavier, Mr. Clutch Xavier Nady. Didn’t you hit a HR vs Arredondo last Sunday?
Ryan: it’s best to only bunt in games that you go on to win.
now don’t steal arod
People were complaining so much about solo home runs, so ARod decided to take a double
Let us see who gets him in.
bonehead play. who does he thibk he is christian>
…
I don’t know the score, but I bet the Yanks are losing, with at least 2 GIDPs already.
A-Rod, you are a joke. You need to go f**k yourself.
he was safe by why run there ?
HAHAH… A-rod is biggest choke artist ever!!! what are u doing there..
Oh that was BS, stupid throw beats runner call.
there’s arod – trying to do it all again. When will he learn to trust the rest of this amazing offense??
Have Nady swing 3-0, go for a HR.
Figures. The umpires hand the game to the Angels on a silver platter.
A-Rod beat that. The tag was high. But the idiot umpire, out of position blocked out from the play again, makes the wrong call, and in the biggest spot in the game ,possibly costing us the game winning run.
WE NEED INSTANT REPLAY, NOW. DO NOT LET UMPIRES DECIDE THE OUTCOME OF A KEY PENNANT RACE GAME!
This is ridiculous!
This is just comical
ryan – maybe you bunt there but if you did how did it work out? oh thats right – terribly. your “clutch” hitter should almost never bunt. molina shouldnt bunt because we were all 99% sure that nothing good was going to happen. if you want to bunt like its still baseball 1958 – thats fine but giving away outs doesnt work.
He ran because there was one out and they are having trouble moving runners and bringing them home. And the catcher doesn’t have a great arm. That was a decent baseball move.
Typical ARod. He should be traded too.
What is the point in having to tag the runner if the umpire is going to call it out because the throw beats the runner?
Whatever. The pitch sprung Mathis out of his crouch and he threw it in the absolute perfect spot and Rodriguez still beat it. Complain all you want, that was a high percentage play.
If we lose this game is it the umps fault, Andy’s fault, or Arod’s fault. I have to know…
The umpire wasn’t in the greatest position, but it was a bang-bang play and extremely close.
Yanks cant catch a break, period. I dont think that was a terrible move on ARods part
Good Lord, what a meathead decision. There are no words.
Just like Arod to turn over the monopoly board when he doesn’t get the call.
It’s funny, in this series the Angels are showing exactly how being a running team can win ball games and the Yankees are proving Earl Weaver right about how you should never give up an out. Both teams are being aggressive with totally different results.
also ryan – no one wants to answer the question that even if it works out and we score a run and go up 4-3. is anyone confident we would hold that lead? anyone?
I thought he was safe.
This team is worst than last year’s team.
they are so fundamentally unsound is it a joke.
That all goes to Girardi and Cashman. Piss poor design.
Wow that was sad.
A-rod was safe but not a good idea to try and steal IMO.
“When will he learn to trust the rest of this amazing offense??”
When the rest of the offense shows it should be trusted?
Are you people stupid? Why would you think he shouldn’t run there?
This guy is a dominant set up man. The chance of getting another base hit to drive him in is low. This is a TIE GAME on the ROAD. You MANUFACTURE a run. Stealing 3rd with 1 out is a very smart play, and one that could steal the GAME WINNING RUN. What don’t you guys get?
You only think it’s bad because he was called out, but in fact he was safe. It was a brilliant play that could have won the game by a smart player who actually is trying to win the game.
I don’t mind the attempt to steal. Alex did it when you’re supposed to–with one out.
I’m just amazed at the lack of luck this team seems to have at times. Granted, a better first inning and we’re still winning, but that’s not the point.
arod showing some fire there.
Thank you A-Rod, why don’t you go to hell and take Abreu with you.
That’s what happens when you have no confidence in your offense. You do dumb stuff like that.
Bunting yesterday or today wasn’t dumb. Trying to steal third in that situation? THAT was dumb.
But, that in a nutshell, are the 2008 Yankees. Lots of names but little, if any consistent play on a day to day basis from the ENTIRE team. Not just one or two players, the ENTIRE team.
There is a reason why the Angels are in first place and the Yankees will miss the playoffs. Coming to play SMART baseball everyday isn’t the Yankees forte. Unfortunately for them, they are playing an opponent that comes to play just about everyday of a season. With very few exceptions.
Atta boy Robbie…
Quick question, Robbie, what does a second pitch look like?
People want the yankees to be aggressive because they aren’t scoring. They want the yankees to play more like the Angels.
But they don’t want any of the risk that goes along with playing aggressive style ball.
ARod trying to steal is the kind of play that players try when their team isn’t scoring.
Which the yankees aren’t.
Going out to dinner, taking this to the car radio, and hoping like hell.
GO YANKEES!!!
Serioulsy, this is what happens all the time to bad teams. Remember watching what other teams used to do against the Yankees? Well, now the Yankees are doing it. They are a bad team.
I’m gonna pour myself a big drink on behalf of that steal attempt..see you later guys..Matt..please stop predicting the next play. Later.
JOKE = 2008 New York YAnkees
Here comes to loss.
andy is pitching like an ace
Why would you leave Pettitte in this game? Isn’t this the reason why the Yankees acquired Marte?
Having Jeter bring him his glove while he stands stranded at second would have been better?
“If we lose this game is it the umps fault, Andy’s fault, or Arod’s fault. I have to know…”
I’m still blaming bobby meacham… win or lose.
Hmm for some reason Girardi loves to leave Pettitte in games for a LONG time. There were reports of a sore arm and he’s being left in past 100 pitches? Doesn’t make sense to me..
It’s getting to that time of year again… the point where I realize that I don’t care if this team makes the playoffs or wins at all because I don’t think they deserve a friggin thing. If this team wins, I’ll be happy, but they just don’t play well enough for me to get upset if they don’t win. Time to look toward next year.
Trying to steal third with one out and the pathetic offense against a good bullpen was anything but stupid. That is when you go. The catcher just made a solid throw.
Where’s Edwar when you need the game to be over?
this time last year, torre had the yanks firing on all cylinders.
I miss the old guy.
What are the odds the leadoff walk scores?
I liked A-Rod’s Stolen Base attempt. Christian’s theft of 3d base last weekend against the Angels sparked the inning that won them the game.
if captain bat speed is up, maybe. but nady is blistering hot. give him a chance. it’s not like we are so good with runner on 3rd and less than 2 out (in fact, we are embarrassing in that situation) that you have to do it. pete hit it right on the head, this team should never, EVER give up outs, especially with risp. they aren’t good enough hitting situationally.
not taking every opportunity you can against a team like this, that IS good hitting situationally, is really a mistake. 3-3 late in a game against this team, the odds definitely aren’t in the yankees favor. i hope they overcome those odds, because they really need this win.
“I’m just amazed at the lack of luck this team seems to have at times. Granted, a better first inning and we’re still winning, but that’s not the point.”
No true, it isn’t the point. Luck is an aspect of baseball, that people sometimes forget – except when it isn’t going the Yankees way.
Peter with his usual 2nd guess. they run there because THE TEAM IS A JOKE WITH RISP.. DIDN’T YOU POST EARLIER TO THAT AFFECT???
THIS MAY BE THE WORST LOSS OF A SEASON OF ONE PATHETIC LOSS AFTER ANOTHER..
THE POSTGAME bs SHOULD BE CLASSIC TODAY..
nICE Walk by Pettitte, thanks for sh-t.
this team sucks let’s all say it..
BTW Arod watching his hit for a change last inning he would not get a triple but why does mr superstar watch the damn ball………
I am out I can only take so much crap in 1 day..
Aside from whether he was safe or not, which i think he was safe….why attempt a steal there? 2-0 count. You’ve got to assume they are pitching around Nady to possibly put the DP in order. You don’t still 3rd unless you know you will make it.
I’d rather him stay at 2nd and take chance on scoring off a single than to risk being thrown out at 3rd on a steal leaving no one on the bases w/ 2 outs.
I would think Arod did that on his own. This guy is hurting us in alot of ways right now
Like how Sterling says that Tex represents the “go ahead run”.
What F’ing game is he watching. That run scores, that is the winning run. Look at who we have coming up next inning.
Bobby Meacham makes me yearn for Willie at 3B. Bowa is in class all by himself.
Vlady will hit 2 run homer off Marte….count it
matt – here is what i dont get? everyone is on board with all these bunts to manufacture runs but a steal attempt is like arod killed someone. i wouldnt butn or steal. i dont want to risk giving away outs and i understand a steal isnt the same thing as the bunt but they are all in the manufacture runs area and people LOVE the bunts but hate the steals. i dont get it.
Let’s see:
Had A-Rod not attempted to steal 3rd, Nady walks and Cano flies out, advancing A-Rod to 3rd. Than we won’t know until next inning.
Had A-Rod stole 3rd successfully, Nady still walks and Cano gets a sac fly.
“It’s getting to that time of year again… the point where I realize that I don’t care if this team makes the playoffs or wins at all because I don’t think they deserve a friggin thing.”
When over the past 13 seasons have you felt this way before?
In one sense I don’t get Pettite going out for the 8th, but in another sense what option do you have right now.
Girardi has 2 dependable guys right now (Moose and MO) and you have to have a lead for one of them to pitch.
You don’t take the bat out of Nady’s hands, the only guy hitting with RISP the past two weeks, by trying to steal third.
Whether he was safe or out, it was a dumb play. Just not the time to do it, IMO.
Its not like this team is so good at hitting SF, stealing third would help in that regard.
But, this is what teams that aren’t very good do. Find new ways to lose every day.
Remember when the Yankees won Championships?….it wasn’t because they had the best offense in the league every year….it was because of good pitching and timely hitting (i know we do not have timely hitting, they why he haven’t won in years)…but that point is that bunting creates situations for timely hitting
Jeter hasnt been clutch all year..it is the job of the 3, 4 and 5 hitters to knock in runs, not the 2 hitter….how many times has Jeter knocked in 100 RBIs in a year..1,2, 8 and 9 hitters set up the 3,4 5 guys bu getting on base and/or moving runners over….this is basic baseball…winning teams do this….when the 3,4 and 5 guys dont get the job done, it makes the decision look bad to the average fan
For the love of Yogi, please get us out of this inning, Marte.
Because this is shaping up to be the worst road trip since Napoleon invaded Russia.
Are gameday threads always like this? Some seriously spoiled fans; what percentage haven’t missed the playoffs during their baseball conscious lifetime? Bad team design? WTF? This was a very well put together team that got destroyed by injuries to Posada and Matsui and Hughes and Wang and …
i dont see how arod was getting a triple there and since he keeps making my point that he attacked me about i want to say that i also can only take so much crap in 1 day so hopefully stuart is done posting.
I have no problem with Arod trying to steal 3rd there. The Yankees have been awful with runners in scoring position.
Whether a guy is hitting with RISP or not, especially over the past two weeks, is meaningless. It’s infantile to think that “hot streaks” are anything more than random statistical aberrations, and they have no correlation with performance in the future.
“Because this is shaping up to be the worst road trip since Napoleon invaded Russia.”
At least that road trip eventually got him a nice island holiday…
earthquake?
I’m going to make a bowl of honey comb
i cannot watch marte and his command
2 more.
Where is my vodka
nevermind.
LOL Becca
Bryan
Too many big words for this group.
In the mediterranean, no less.
Think they got good baseball players on Corsica?
A-Rod with the dumbest play of the year.
WOw.
Sure, you can get in position for a sacrifice fly. But stealing third is a heck of a risk.
You answered your own question in previous posts, the were 2 for 10 with RISP and would have had a better shot at getting the run in from 3rd with 1 out. Sometimes you have to take the Risk. This team can’t afford to play safe baseball at this point. They need to be aggressive.
Sexson/Christian/Molina coming up for the 9th. You could have pinch hitters for them all (Giambi, Betemit, Pudge) and replace one of them with Melky for defense.
Put Melky in he was 3-4 yesterday! Lol
Why steal on a 2-0 pitch with your #5 hitter up????
I’m at a loss here. Girardi is just a terrible manager.
“This was a very well put together team that got destroyed by injuries to Posada and Matsui and Hughes and Wang and …”
There are so many spoiled ……(fill the blanks) here, they think that it is an entitlement that yanks make playoffs irrespective of all the things you mentioned.
“At least that road trip eventually got him a nice island holiday…”
Able was I ere I saw [Yankee hitters with RISP].
This roadtrip may get the Yankees nice island tee times in October.
Put a couple of Corsicans on the team an the Yankees might improve with RISP, lol.
CB, I’ve been a die-hard baseball fan for only the past 5 years or so (does that classify me as bandwagon, huh?)
The year Sheff and Matsui were out a while and we had guys like Guiel stepping up, I was in love with the ‘replacement’ team… and then I couldn’t root for that awful team in the playoffs with Sheffield at 1B. Because they didn’t play like a team, which the Yankees had been doing before he got there.
Last year, I didn’t lose my faith and I was absolutely crushed when they were eliminated. Because I thought they did play like a team. But the past few years, like ‘05, when that team looked like a bunch of guys who could play great but the chemistry wasn’t there (RJ, etc.)… it just didn’t bother me as much when they got eliminated.
Luck: Shoutout to Branch Rickey . . .
good call Matt, but what will Girardi do? A season at the brink…Arod was doing well to run there imo
Sad how much we miss Farnsworth.
nice work Marte
Get a run!!!
Jeter hasnt been clutch all year..it is the job of the 3, 4 and 5 hitters to knock in runs, not the 2 hitter….
that’s a joke right? Its the responsiblity of ALL of the players to get RBIs and get hits and get on base. Where you are in the line up only matters in the fact that you may get more at bats. Other than the first inning or two you may come up in different spots in the game. 5th batter of the inning, bases loaded. 2nd spot in the inning no one on etc..
Today proves how much of a National League lineup we have.
giambi will hit a homer off krod in the 9th
“It’s infantile to think that “hot streaks†are anything more than random statistical aberrations, and they have no correlation with performance in the future.”
Not necessarily. Do you really think that each at bat a hitter has is a completely independent event? Do you really think there’s no correlation between them?
For instance, the national league is clearly not as good as the American league. During interleague play it’s no accident how well AL teams do and how well their hitters hit.
That’s just one example. I’m not a believer of “clutch” hitting over large samples but I also don’t think it’s correct to say “hot streaks” are completely random as at bats – whether it’s hitter related factors or pitcher related – are at least somewhat correlated.
Nick, I was going to say Mr.H had a worst trip in WWII, because it cost him the war and his life. But when I wrote Mr.H’s name both times, it wouldn’t go through. Geez, I know the man was evil, but can the Political correctness get any worst? I can’t even write the man’s name?
“But the past few years, like ‘05, when that team looked like a bunch of guys who could play great but the chemistry wasn’t there (RJ, etc.)… it just didn’t bother me as much when they got eliminated.”
Ray, how do you determine what a team that has great chemistry looks like when they play together? Is the just absence of players you don’t like and can’t root for or do they just look a certain way when they play?
Good inning for Marte. If the Yanks could only score 1 run in the top of the 9th and get it to Mo
Rebecca, I’m shocked. What did they teach you up in Syracuse?
Napoleon was from Corsica but he was exiled first to Elba and then later to St. Helena.
Or was he exiled on Main Street? I always forget.
injuries as an excuse is ridiculous. Every team has them. Every year we have them. Last year we had them, the year before that too.. Next year, guess what? We’re going to have them.
Injuries are apart of the game.
Nice job by Marte to get through the heart of the lineup.
Really missed Farnsworth that inning. I miss him imploding in those situations. Amazing what’s its like to actually have a guy that gets outs to the better hitters in a lineup in game deciding situations.
“There are so many spoiled ……(fill the blanks) here, they think that it is an entitlement that yanks make playoffs irrespective of all the things you mentioned.”
For 220 million we should make the playoffs every eyar. Start spending that money on starting pitching yea?
The Twins lose Hunter, Santana, Silva and they are in 1st. They have 2 players better than we do at any of the 8 positions and they are better.
against krod they need to just put the bat down. he does not throw strikes
“Think they got good baseball players on Corsica?”
They do. All of them are very short so they drive up their OBP by walking all of the time.
Tie game, MAriano, loss.
“Jeter hasnt been clutch all year..it is the job of the 3, 4 and 5 hitters to knock in runs, not the 2 hitter….”
When Jeter is not on base how can 3,4,5 drive in RBI. It all starts with the table setters. Damon is doing his job. Jeter is failing miserably. You can not absolve him of the responsiblity and simply blame 3,4,5.
Just love it when we take strike three right down the middle.
Unfortunately for the uninitiated, money doesn’t guarantee good health or good performances. So, the money argument isn’t valid.
Arod stealing s NOT on Girardi.
Arod has a green light whenever he wants to go that was on him. It is amazing how some people just want the littlest thing to happen and immediately blame Girardi.
Ack, you’re right! I think he may have been born on Corsica. There is definitely a Corsica connection there.
We’re going to have Mo pitching in a tie game, aren’t we?
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I’m not thrilled with A-Road running there, but considering how poor the Yanks have been all year long in clutch situation its understandable.
He’s had a terrific game hitting and running before that… if any other Yankees was doing as much this game would be over.
Still, gotta score here and hand it to Mo
Injuries are a bad excuse. Every team has injuries. The Sox lost Ortiz for months, Varitek forgot to tell them he retired and traded Manny because he was a baby. You see them complaining?
The big question is…..will Mo come in if the score is tied?
You can blame Betemit because that pitch was down the plate, but it was a curve ball and I’d like to see some of you guys step up there and hit that.
I wouldn’t put Mo in.
Now that is a bs call
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“The Twins lose Hunter, Santana, Silva and they are in 1st.”
Thats slightly different. They didn’t count on any of those players when constructing their team this year, because they were gone before the season started. Wang, Posada and Matsui were important parts of the Yankees team for this year.
I’d like to see Minnesota lose Morneau, Mauer and Baker and see where they are if that happened.
How was that as strike?
Our guys should at least pretend they want to get a hit.
Well, look at the way this team is playing right now. They bunt and then can’t put the ball in the right place to score the guy from third.
A team with chemistry,imho, is one that plays like these Angels: when they make a small ball move like stealing a base or bunting, they do it because they know their guys will back them up. The move is made because it’ll pay off, because each guy has a role and does his own job well. It’s not just some lineup that has a bunch of power hitters who have had success on other teams where they were the ‘guy who drove in the runs’… In ‘05, for example, you had about 5 RBI guys, and it didn’t look right. The bullpen was not structured with each guy having a role and playing it well. The starting rotation was a confusing mess of Jaret Wrights and Shawn Chacons, who were never completely reliable. They were just sort of thrown together without too much thought.
And you could tell when you watched them play.
Who do you take out for Pudge: Betemit or Giambi?
Seriously, does anyone here actually beleive this is not gonna end with a walkoff hit of some sort in the bottom of the ninth?
Jim S, I considered that analogy as well, but people get less emotional about Napoleon that Herr H. and I didn’t want Godwin’s Law to squash my joke.
“For 220 million we should make the playoffs every eyar. Start spending that money on starting pitching yea?”
This is lame reasoning.
Take the salary of injured players throughtout the season and see what the payroll will be.
The bench has been terrible all yr. Why would it change now?
Take a bow, Cashman. For the bench. For not signing a SP. For Ian Quitter Kennedy.
Why wouldn’t you let Giambi hit for Sexson, then have Pudge hit for Molina???????????
Maybe Giambi should have 1/2 a mustache???
why not put in pudge for molina since you have to bring pudge in either way? you might say well betemit is a lefty which is what i initially thought but they why not bring in melky for christian since that would also give you the lefty righty matchup?
I will tell you this: The Yankees will make an attempt to trade for Paul Byrd. He cleared waivers, book it.
“when they make a small ball move like stealing a base or bunting, they do it because they know their guys will back them up. The move is made because it’ll pay off, because each guy has a role and does his own job well.”
You mean small ball moves like strike ‘em out throw ‘em out double plays, getting thrown out when pushing for a double at second, and getting throw out at home? That kind of small ball that ALWAYS works?
Today. basically the umpires are giving the game away to Angels. ARod out and Christian stikeout are good examples.
KRod sure is proud of himself…disgusting.
I hat to say it but….
K-Rod is lucky that he’s not a hitter and I’m not a pitcher because I would certainly throw at him for his antics on the mound.
The Angels bullpen shows how to do it. This game is finito.
Minnesota lost in 12 innings on a Tony Pena Jr single.
Once again, they take changeups down the middle till they get that one down and away, out of the strikezone so they swing and miss.
And there’s your ballgame folks.
OK So it IS the ump’s fault.
Nady still had the bat in his hands SJ. I don’t get that comment. Don’t you usually say that if a guy is on first and steals second and now there is an open bag to walk someone? There was already an open bag. If you want to say that he didn’t allow Nady to finish that AB with RISP, fine, but he Arod take the bat out of his hands.
And everybody thought it was a great play when Christian stole 3rd with nobody out last week and down 1 run with the top of the order up. A bunch of Monday morning QB’s around here. If it works great play, if not bad play. Everyone around here just states the obvious.
Yankee fans don’t like K Rod celebrating but were fine with Joba???
Hilarious
You can’t blame the umpires for the Yankees GIDPing in the first or not getting any of their RISP home afterwards.
Tons of chances to win the game and we couldn’t.
“Outside of Mariano, it’s a tough call.”
Im sure whatever it is you will second guess it.
Tony Pena Jr. is your MVP this year
Why was the OF shifting to RF? Anyone have his splits off hand?
“Yankee fans don’t like K Rod celebrating but were fine with Joba???”
Yeah because Joba used to scream while holding his arms above his head and waving them at the sky for 15 seconds.
Great move by Girardi having Betemit lead off. Might as well just let Mr. 200 richie Sexson hit. Girardi is terrbile. Giambi with the obp should have led off but apparently girardi is so brain-dead he doesn’t utilize obp.
nice job by giambi, battling back from 3-0 to work a strikeout, looking at two pitches right down broadway then swinging at one in the dirt.
this team is backwards, from risp, to runners on 3rd less than 2 outs to running into outs, to putting together miserable at bats in big spots. that’s a lot of things not to do well, before you consider their defense.
Um..outs Marte
Girardi doesn’t learn from his mistakes. Leaving another reliever in too long.
OK It’s not the umpire’s fault.
I am so tire of hearing how spoiled Yankees fans are because they won’t accept a losing team or a team that doesn’t play hard. That type of response is so lame and requires no thinking. You sound like Joe Girardi…um we suck but we need to start scoring runs. Or “it a long season”.
Why can’t Yankee fans express their displeasure with a team that is clearly underperforming and has been all year.
If you think that Yankee fans are spoiled because they expect the Yankees to win all the time then you have no clue about competitive sports. The idea is to win not lose. When you lose you deserve to be treated like a loser because that is what you are.
They should just bring Rivera in and hope the top of the Yankee order can get it done.
“Yankee fans don’t like K Rod celebrating but were fine with Joba???”
There’s no comparison. Joba does one fist pump. This fool screams and yells and looks up to God, as if God gives a damn whether he wins or not. He overdoes it IMO.
Bad Scooter,
Given the game situation, and who was at the plate, I don’t understand the logic of running in that situation.
A hit by Nady scores ARod. He didn’t need to steal in that situation.
Its not a second guess. I just didn’t think he would be foolish enought to try it in that situation because it didn’t call for it, IMO.
The Yankees run themselves out of more inning than their running creates opportunities. Perhaps it will be different next year with a different group.
This year? Running has killed more innings than its helped.
Angles know how to score with RISP. Angel fans say it’s “The Rally Monkey”.
the crowd has it right
I think chemistry is a lot perception, little substance. A team is said to have more often when they’re winning, and doesn’t seem to have it when they’re losing. Nobody every says, “wow they lost and looked terrible, but their chemistry is undeniable”. But I guess being a perception thing, we all perceive it differently. Yours is certainly no less valid than mine, I was just interested in how someone else saw it.
Gary Matthews Jr is terrible
Ok, I looked it up. Kendrick (at home) has 10 hits/flyouts to LF. Everything else has been to CF or RF.
Is that a Yankees suck chant?
He is thanking God, who cares. The guy struck out the side. If he was on the Yanks, and he struck out the Angels side, and did that we would all be pumped, and fired up.
double pay..c’mon!
This game is huge right now.
Marte has been bad but he can turn it around here.
Yeah Mel, wouldn’t be a yankee game without it.
Matthews learned how to bunt from Cano.
I still don’t think it’s a bad play SJ. Arod can then score on an out. It took a perfect throw and a somewhat high tag to get him. You’ve been harping on hitting with RISP and how bad they are, why not get to 3rd and score on an out, especially when facing a guy who gives up less than a hit/inning.
hat guy has a big neck
Marte is tired, only Girardi can’t see… again.
Sarge Jr. would be released if not for that big contract.
Can we please move on past the attempted steal of third. It was not a bad “baseball play” and is just opinion as to whether the poster would have attempted or not. Please move on, I’m begging you…
Girardi has two choices: Mo or Billy Traber. That’s it.
He’s not going to Ramirez, Veras or Robertson after yesterday. He has to save Rasner for a start.
He has nobody else. That’s why Marte is in there.
marte its called a pickoff throw, not a lobb
“Is that a Yankees suck chant?”
mel, earlier in the game thread we already established that there were a lot of LuHud blog posters at the game in Los Angeles of Anaheim today.
Girardi thought the game was over and went to the clubhouse for a bacardi
“I still don’t think it’s a bad play SJ. Arod can then score on an out. It took a perfect throw and a somewhat high tag to get him. You’ve been harping on hitting with RISP and how bad they are, why not get to 3rd and score on an out, especially when facing a guy who gives up less than a hit/inning.”
I agree with you completely. His era is under 1.00, which shows how effective he is (4 or 5 unearned runs last weekend vs the Yanks). I thought he was safe and I think they made the right decision to steal, but it just wasn’t executed.
“He is thanking God, who cares. The guy struck out the side. If he was on the Yanks, and he struck out the Angels side, and did that we would all be pumped, and fired up.”
No, I wouldn’t. I’d be embarrassed by his behavior.
Angel, I agree about the winning/losing thing. I would just say that last year, I thought the team had great chemistry, and they just didn’t play well enough/weren’t good enough. And I think chemistry is only one of the factors that have convinced me that this team is just not good enough. I thought the trades Cashman made were nice, but not necessarily important. There are certain issues this team has besides Molina catching (which he’s doing practically every day, anyway) and they don’t necessarily need a lefty in their bullpen
I can’t believe I’m saying this but..
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
A few batters too late, dumbass.
Why bring in Mariano now? Why not after Marte let Kendrick on?
TB up 10-1 over SEA. When is that bubble going to burst?
OKay, It’s Cashman’s fault
I need a xanax
Yeah seriously, if you’re going to do this, you should have brought him in in the beginning of the inning…
So what happens here a chone figgins broken bat basehit to end it?
Tie game on the road you should absolutely put your closer into the game to start the inning.
That’s the move that gives you the highest probability of winning.
If that closer is Mariano Rivera you absolutely should do that.
ok laura so youre embarrassed by when a player gets excited. so no more excitement. also i like how you have decided that joba is acceptable excitement because it doenst pass some imaginary threshold. personally i dont have a problem with either. its a game and its entertainment.
broken bat blooper, Angels win and everyone in Anaheim thinks they are the next best thing to the Yankee Dynasty…..Puke
I could use that baccardi right about now.
But wait, It’s gonna be Mo’s fault.
I’d be less worried if it weren’t Figgins up at the plate.
what the hell was cano doing there?
lack of effort on the entire play.
Can betemit run any slower?
A routine groundball gets through the infield. Wonderful.
That ball has to be caught.
This is one horrible baseball team.
Yeah. Definitley could use it.
Ugly, ugly, ugly series. We absolutley needed to win the game. We had opportunities galore and didn’t come through.
I’ll be shocked if there’s baseball in the Bronx this October.
Anyway, going to watch the Olympics.
Is this the final nail in the Yankees coffin?
These last few losses really hurt.
Minnesota here we come.
i was on the phone wtih a friend and before mo came in we both said that we had virtually no confidence that he would get out of this. he isnt the same in non save situations. and why not bring him in to start the inning. its a must win and we dont bring mo in until he has no room for error.
Mo will be totally fresh for tomorrow, though.
So we’ve got that going for us.
Ummm, was Betemit drunk?
well that sure wasnt predictable.. jeez girardi.
“That’s the move that gives you the highest probability of winning.
If that closer is Mariano Rivera you absolutely should do that.”
Not when you’re closer is absolutley horrid in those situations you don’t.
Next time we should be sure to drill the batter who threw that bat. Drill him right between the numbers.
they both ran away from that like it was a grenade
ooooo wait a minute….it’s sexton’s fault. g’day mates
That is it. Season over. Game over.
Another year of Bad Girardi and old washed up veterans in 2009.
This is the worse team since 1994.
This team is awful. Almost unwatchable, no idea how some of these guys are on the team. There is no hustle and no heart. Someone has to pay for this, and we all know its not going to be Girardi (this year at least).
Oh, what a heartbreaker. The Yankees had 10 chances to win it.
At least Minny and Boston lost today.
Gotta sweep the Twins.
What a surprise! The Angels win. That’s what happens when you can’t get a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 outs. This was another horrible loss by the Yanks.
“Ha Ha” we swept ‘em. From the classy Angels announcer.
It doesn’t matter if we make it to the playoffs or not as the WC because we’d end up facing LAA. And we’ve seen how well we play against them.
It doesn’t matter when you bring in a pitcher if your defense sucks.
Face it people, its a very bad baseball team.
Hopefully, they win a game next week. Forget winning series or any of that stuff that good baseball teams look to do.
Just win one game. That should be the new goal.
That’s a routine groundball. How its not caught, ‘ya got me.
The Farnsworth trade has killed this bullpen. And Pudge has killed this pitching staff.
Did we really need him? Now the pen feels like it is one big arm short and Pudge hasn’t exactly hit.
Season is over.
What a joke. Ian Kennedy gets bashed for not fessing up, how about Girardi fesses up today about what he did wrong? He had to wait until Marte put two guys on to bring in Rivera? What is he thinking? You let Rivera start the inning because you want to win the game.
Another wasted day of baseball. Not sure why any of us frequent this website while watching the game for 3 hours a day.
Let’s go Yankees!!! Yea right, sell your tickets while you can.
I doubt God cares about the outcomes of baseball games, in that he needs to be thanked.
Whiff, the ‘94 team was in first place.
SJ44 posting right after a loss?
I’m shocked.
Girardi has the brains of a retarded kid.
Cano acted like it was Betemit’s ball. What was he thinking? Why did he loaf for the first two steps toward the ball? Where else did he have to go? I’m really sick of his lazy play.
i wonder what the postgame comments will be today?
Worst team since 94???? Are you an idiot? The 94 team was a juggernaut
Horrible. Just horrible.
The Yankees had their chances.
Just shameful
Why doesn’t someone ask Betemit why he slowed down when the ball was hit toward him? It looked to me like he wanted to loose the game? They are a bunch of looooosers!!!!! Make a play Betemit at least make it look like you care?
FOUR OUT in Wild Card Peter
not three
I wish 3…..
The team is done. Not much more to say about it. They run out a terrible lineup and they got no pitching.
Damaso Gagne was a real find.
terrible loss. but this clearly isn’t a winning team. maybe next year it’ll be better.
This is gonna be a fun postgame show… I can see Joe getting mad again, horrible play right there by Betemit and Cano.
Thats what happens when you have 3 first basemen on a team. You have to have some type of uniformity in the infield. You can’t keep putting in Betemit. Sorry Joe.
“Not when you’re closer is absolutley horrid in those situations you don’t.”
That’s a ridiculous argument. Looking at those splits of Mo in save vs. non-save situations is a complete misunderstanding of statistics and inferring from those numbers that Mo “can’t” pitch in a tie game is completely wrong.
Those numbers simply do not support that conclusion. At all.
That’s just a misuse of statistics in baseball.
i bet it will be something like ” well we could have caught the groundball, but we flet bad for figgins as he didnt have a hit/”
Mo’s ERA in those situations is 3.00. Not exactly horrid.
You got love Marte walking the 9 hitter.
How many games has he personally lost in the last 2 weeks???
I hope Karstens and McCutcheon become studs.
Stop blaming Pudge on the pitching!! That is retarded. Some pitchers have pitched great since he was here. Seriously retarded.
That Hall of Fame combo of Pudge and Mariano is just a dream come true huh?
Whiff, the ‘94 team was in first place
You are right… was before that team. Forgot about that strike shortened season when they and Montreal were the top teams.
my bad I thought betemit was a 2nd, I can’t believe that cano would loft after the ball like that, JK
Stop crying people!! The Yanks will right the ship. Season is NOT over and all those on here I will remember your words when they are back in the middle of this thing
Cano was in double play depth, that ball is a first baseman’s ball, Wilson shouldve got the ball and either throw it to Jeter and Cano covers first or flip to MO. Thats all on Wilson and Girardi not knowing how to managae a major league team
Well, I don’t want to give in, but this team is making it so hard to believe that they are playoff ready. That last play had to be made and my gut is that Sexson might have made it if he was in there. For some reason, Girardi remains in love with Betemit, who adds absolutely nothing of value to this team. It’s bad enough that our pitching is suspect; it’s a killer to have the defense be horrible as well. My guess is that there will be another team meeting after this one.
Damaso Gagne. Fits.
“I can see Joe getting mad again”
It’s about time Joe gets mad at HIMSELF. He looked like a complete idiot bringing in Rivera in that spot. You bring him in at the BEGINNING of the inning. What god awful managing. At least give the top of the Yankee order a chance.
Girardi has admitted a grand total of 0 times this year that he’s done something wrong. Talk about taking responsibility.
I think Cano thought that Bobby had a better shot charging the ball.
I’m flat out sick of Cano. They should just release him out right. For that kind of money he should have been all over that ball. If they need someone to play second base I’ll do it for free, I played Division 1 in college. Granted the offense dropped the ball all day I’m still putting this one squarely on Cano.
Um when did you ever hear Saint Torre admit he did something wrong? I recall only once, and that was after he wasn’t manager anymore.
I’m at the point where if they don’t make the playoffs I’ll be okay with it, because think it might be a good thing. Note, this is not saying I think they won’t for sure.
But blowing off some of the chaff that has attached itself to fanbase of this team, at the very least – sounds like a good thing to me.
Four out, Pete.
Betemit has a good game, looked like a putz on strike 3 and did not go aftr a ball with the game on the line.. gain Cano’s little brain cannot undestand hadr field need to get in front of the ball.
in summary nice walk by Marte, BTW he is much bettr then Kyle and anyone who thinsk differently is even dumber then the usual poster on this blog.
othe rgame balls out to our clutch offens, and I think they should really get the game ball for the whole season of inspired and clutch play… think of murderors row; damon, jeter, abreu, arod, and giambi.. what a crew about $101 mill of crap..that group of cr-p is getting paid $101 mill…. Hey how about it is Melky’s fault????
great situational hitting again by our stars, they really make you proud, how they play the game right, bring it AB after AB, the yare so clutch, etc..
this team SUCKS FORM 1 overpriced former superstar to the next…the gang of overpaid cr-p includes; arod, jeter, damon, matsui, jorge, giambi, and Cano..
cAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT A SACK OF SH-T THIS TEAM IS!!!THey do not even know how to play the game, Betemit should have dove for the ball but he is only slightly smarter then the moron to his right…
the postgame joke should be comical…..
>I think Cano thought that Bobby had a better shot charging the ball.
Yes, he was right in surmising that. But what is his excuse in not backing him up? It’s not his job to cover 2nd or 1st on that play so why didn’t he charge hard at the ball?
Laura: Ya a team meeting and like i said b4 it should be a closed door meeting and GIRARDI and his LOUSY staff should be NOT be allowed in..
“Stop crying people!! The Yanks will right the ship. Season is NOT over and all those on here I will remember your words when they are back in the middle of this thing”
I hate to say it, but when we say stuff like this, it is starting to sound like the ramblings of someone delusional.
That was horrid defense. Betemit should’ve went after it, but Cano shoul’ve went all out for it as well. He jogged after it thinking it was Betemits ball. Don’t assume anything, especially in that situation and with a guy new to first base. Cano is a knucklehead sometimes. Just give 100% all the time! He does that way too much. Not good.
27,
Posting all day and in the game thread. Try reading comprehension sometime, its a wonderful thing.
Nice to see you still stalking me.
How small your life must be to contribute absolutely nothing to this blog except to stalk someone on a baseball blog.
Think about it. I mean, tell me twerp, do you do this in your non-cyber world?
On those rare occasions you meet a girl (or boy if that’s your fancy), do you stalk them so much that you end up creeping them out?
Really, son get a life. Stalking may be fun for you but, it ain’t exactly gettin’ you anywhere.
It doesn’t change what I post or when I post it. Its never going to change it.
Clearly, you ain’t the brightest bulb in the lamp store. However, you have to have at least figured that out by now.
Enough with the “Saint Torre”. I mean really, thats just freaking revisionism at its finest.
Yum in double play depth was Cano to start, also it is his job to cover the bag when a ball is hit to SS or 3b
Not getting runners in from third with less than 2 outs was the reason they lost this game. They were 1-4 (minus A-Rod finally) in those situations. Blame Girardi all you want but it falls on Bobby, JD and the X man
Yankees need to trade Cano to the Dodgers. He needs a bastard like Larry Bowa in his face every day. I bet there won’t be one coach in the clubhouse that will talk to Cano about that play. Not one.
“Stop crying people!! The Yanks will right the ship. Season is NOT over and all those on here I will remember your words when they are back in the middle of this thingâ€
What time is the next bus to fantasy land?
Gimme a break. Some of you are delusional.
SJ, ignore these people. Don’t stoop to their level.
At some point, Girardi needs to figure out that apparently, Marte is a one inning guy (just like Farnsworth). At least, that’s how it seems to me.
I think it’s now officially time to worry.
It’s gonna be a long flight to Minny.
2 for 12 with RISP is the story. All the other finger pointing is just meaningless.
DEEPER and Deeper and deeper and ……
No one should talk to Cano they should talk to Wilson, Stay off the blog during the game and watch and youll see where Cano was playing.
Somebody has to knock that groundball down.
Pete,
That was not a seeing eye base hit. That was a slow rolling routine ground out. That play has to be made. Betemit was going back to the bag, in error, and even Cano should have gotten to the ball.
That’s not on Rivera at all.
SJ, the Yanks are still 8 games over .500, 4 games back of the wild card with over 6 weeks to go. They had a terrible series, but they are not a terrible baseball team. They certainly don’t look like a playoff team though, and if they sneak in, it’s hard to see them beating the Angels.
A few things I didn’t like with Girardi. Why not pinch hit Pudge for Molina? That way you don’t burn a player. Once you use Giambi, keep him in instead of Betemit. I’d rather have his bat in the line-up for potential extra innings than Betemit’s. Betemit isn’t better defensively, and ironically his glove hurt us, though that’s not why I’d have taken him out.
Marte so far has looked like a one inning max pitcher. Rivera should be starting the bottom of the 9th. That way, if the defesne spits the bit, it’s only on one play, and you have faith in Rivera to rebound. Bad job by Girardi today.
Still, these are the Angels, and the Yanks played well enough to win 2 of the 3 games, if the bullpen didn’t implode yesterday and today was nip and tuck. Time to rebound, and move on and keep fighting. The team is not dead in the wild card hunt. Hopefully Hughes and maybe Pavano come back to bolster the staff, and the team can get rolling.
If not, we’ll regroup for next year.
Only SJ44 takes joy in a tough loss.
Great job, SJ.
Maybe your call of season over in April may turn out to be right. Joy!
The Yankees can still get to the PLayoffs but unless the Angels collaspe the Angels will go to the World Series.Just gotta figure out if the Cubs can get there too.
Pettitte,Giambi,Edwar,Pavano,Damon,Ponson,Rasner,Betimite and Bruney all got to go.
At least the Mets and Red Sox ain’t going anywhere.
Cano was going to cover 1st, on that play Wilson is suppose to get it and either go to 2nd and if he doesn Cano covers MO backs up, or Wilson flips to MO.
“That’s a ridiculous argument. Looking at those splits of Mo in save vs. non-save situations is a complete misunderstanding of statistics and inferring from those numbers that Mo “can’t†pitch in a tie game is completely wrong.
Those numbers simply do not support that conclusion. At all.
That’s just a misuse of statistics in baseball.”
lol what?!!?
All I can say to that is. Try watching more games. Those stats for this given year are correct. There are no illusions behind those numbers.
Can’t wait to hear the postgame
man some of you guys give up way too easily boston and minnesota both lost today that keeps us 4 games within boston and were going to minnesota for a 3 game series. How bad did we make minnesota look this year so far? Seriously we were 3 games out before the angel series were 4 out after it thats good comparing to what it could of been
“What time is the next bus to fantasy land?
Gimme a break. Some of you are delusional.”
Yeah, because thinking that it’s possible to make up a whopping 4 game deficit is delusional.
Lay off of SJ44. Some of us realize the team is terrible and we need him here to remind us of that fact. Don’t let these people stop you, SJ.
So it is delusional to say the season is NOT over?? I know most on here are 17 yr old yankee fans but why do u spend all your time blogging on here or should I say crying or whining on here about the Yankees. You are not true Yank fans, most on here are a bunch of phonies!! Delusional my a**, I am just not a guy who goes with the flow and gives up on a team when they are down. Angels own the Yanks so this isnt that big of a surprise. The yanks will right the ship the next 7 weeks
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lol what?!!?
All I can say to that is. Try watching more games. Those stats for this given year are correct. There are no illusions behind those numbers.”
You don’t understand math.
I’m actually glad the season is over now.
Shut down Joba for the rest of the season.
Keep Hughes down rehabbing.
Don’t even think about Wang pitching again.
Dump the wasted salary and see you next year.
Eman- since when is a 3 ERA bad? Explain, please.
Blame Cashman for not having one capable 1b on the roster.
Remain calm! All is well!
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4 games out of the playoffs with immediate games against the Twins coming up plus a few more with Boston but it is over??? Get a life people because you know shi* about baseball…………4 games out and the season is over HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH……………I wish this blog was for people who actually have a clue and understand baseball…….
lots of passive agressive anger on the postgame
“At some point, Girardi needs to figure out that apparently, Marte is a one inning guy (just like Farnsworth). At least, that’s how it seems to me.”
Ideally Marte would not have come back out. Unfortunately, Girardi didn’t have much choice. The pen has been spread thin this week by short outings from the starters, and everyone is pretty much spent except for Mo and Traber. Are you going to bring Traber into the eigth inning of a tie game against the best team in baseball?
The season is done. We aren’t catching the Sox.
They go out there with Beckett and Lester and Dice K.
We got Ponson as the 3rd starter.
We aren’t catching them.
Now this makes decisions easy.
Sit Wang. Sit Joba. Keep Hughes in Scranton.
“You don’t understand math.”
You haven’t been watching the games.
>>>>No one should talk to Cano they should talk to Wilson, Stay off the blog during the game and watch and youll see where Cano was playing.
Watch the replay. Watch Cano’s first two steps and tell me if that was the correct kind of effort that play with the game on the line deserved. I don’t fault him for not getting to the ball. I fault him for assuming it wasn’t his to go after.
How bad is Marte?
“Blame Cashman for not having one capable 1b on the roster.”
I may be in the minority, but I actually think that Sexson is a decent 1B. He most certainly is better than Giambi and Betemit.
“You haven’t been watching the games.”
I catch all of them.
They havenb’t driven in a big run all season.
They need to retool heavily this off season.
They should get rid of some of this dead weight. Cano should be dangled. The guy has a .300 OBP. You understand how bad that is?
They still may be able to get someone good for him.
Coach, you’re wrong. Cano has to go after that ball no matter what. Knock it down or something, don’t jog after it and assume Betemit is going to get it. What bag is Cano covering? 1B? Nope, Mo had that. 2B? Nope, Jeter has that on a ball hit to the right side. Awful effort.
“Eman- since when is a 3 ERA bad? Explain, please.”
When is a 3 era bad?
When those runs are mainly from non-save situations like tie games.
“and everyone is pretty much spent except for Mo and Traber”
Solution: You put Mo in for the bottom of the 9th because he hasn’t pitched in days. He can easily go 2 innings, so you can have 6 outs to try to score a run with the top of your order. Or, you can put Marte out there and watch him implode and then after seeing 2 guys get on, a lightbulb goes off in Girardi’s head telling him that maybe he shouldn’t have lost the game without giving his best reliever a chance to pitch.
“I may be in the minority, but I actually think that Sexson is a decent 1B. He most certainly is better than Giambi and Betemit.”
How is Sexson capable???
He can’t even play vs right handed pitching!!!
I know some of you are Super Fans but get a clue.
“I’m flat out sick of Cano. They should just release him out right. For that kind of money he should have been all over that ball. If they need someone to play second base I’ll do it for free, I played Division 1 in college. Granted the offense dropped the ball all day I’m still putting this one squarely on Cano”
And you’re serious? So he hits into a double play in the first inning rather than getting the run home and then in the 9th inning, he’s supposed to get to the ball Betemit should’ve had because he was playing towards the middle for the double play? And you want to just outright release him. That’s laughable the overreaction you’re having to him. Sure, he frustrates a lot of people with his inability to take pitches and have drawn out at bats. But, no matter how “lazy” he looks fielding, he’s still a tremendous defender and it’s not his fault we lost. I’d blame the fact NOBODY could hit with RISP today. So calm down
“Are you going to bring Traber into the eigth inning of a tie game against the best team in baseball?”
I wasn’t criticizing Marte being left in there; I understand that the bullpen is in shambles. But that doesn’t change the fact that Marte does not appear to be great in 2 inning stints.
Although Tampa will be the team scratching for the Wild Card…AND catching Boston to win the division is so within our reach, given the caliber of teams we are MOSTLY playing from here on out…..Getting swept at LAA shows exactly what we have waiting for us in the playoffs….I think I’ll start paying attention to my National League team for a bit now ( the Cubbies )….at least they look like ( for now ) they can handle the playoff teams they are likely to face. See ya round, ALL. I can’t say that this year has been any real fun to watch,,,,unless any of you are gluttons for punishment….
Laura,
I agree. Sexson is fine at first base. Unfortunately, he had to be pinch hit for and it bit us.
I really hope this team goes after Teixeira in the off-season. Solid defense, a good eye, and a switch hitter. He’s the perfect player to stabilize the Yanks at first for years.
We always wondered who the most important player was on the team.
This season proves it is Posada.
Sexson has acutally been decent lately hes taking pitches he hit that double and grand slam in texas worked a walk today hes def improving hes had what 22 abs since he came here?
Who cares about the playoffs? This team can’t win a title with this pitching staff.
We’d just be swept by Anaheim anyway.
Just look at Mo and Pudge’s reactions. Their shocked that neither Betemit or Cano didn’t get that ball. These guys(Betemit and Cano)are clueless. Know the situation. All you have to do is keep that ball in the infield and live another AB. Poor effort, almost lazy. Inexcusable in the bottom of the ninth in a tie game.
Hey 27 ! ! ……
Enough already with your preoccupation of SJ. He’s laughing his arse off AT you.
Time for your milk & cookies and then your Mother Goose rhymes. You’re a colossal joke.
R23 i have to agree. posada is the real captian. he is the only one in the clubhouse who will get on another players case if they dont play hard.
“How is Sexson capable??? He can’t even play vs right handed pitching!!! I know some of you are Super Fans but get a clue.”
Perhaps I wasn’t clear. I was talking about his fielding. He is most certainly a better fielder of 1B than Giambi or Betemit.
Pete working th gum in Girardi interview.
i see peter on the postgame.
I see pete is on tv to the left of giradi
The worse part will be hearing Girardi come up with excuses for that play.
Cano actually stopped going after the ball. Laughable. Who cares if he was at double play depth? So that means you don’t have to give forth 100% effort.
Pete in a daze.
E-man, I would love to see if anyone else on the team has a better ERA in tie games. I doubt it.
Just saw, why did Wilson break back towards the bag. You know Mo goes and covers first.
Pete,
We see you muggin for the camera!!
Pete…how does that gum taste?
“I catch all of them.”
Obviously not or you would know that 8 of 9 runs that Mo has given up this year were from tie games.
That’s 8 different tie games.
This season.
What math do I need to know?
Laura I agree with you, I’m just saying that there wasn’t much choice in the matter.
Looking at the replay, while Betemit deserves more blame, Cano could have at least made a dive for that ball. He seemed to be going back to try and get to the ball in short right to keep it from the outfield. Poor execution.
betimentit s going to be on the postgame. cannot wait to hear his excuse.
Pete can are seeing you roll your eyes.
“Obviously not or you would know that 8 of 9 runs that Mo has given up this year were from tie games.”
That has nothing to do with whether or not you should use him in that spot.
You have no idea what you are talking about at all. None.
Well the good news is that 7 out of the dreadful 10 against these guys is over.
Bad news is that we still have to come back here in a month for 3 more but that is after 3 games in Seattle so maybe they can take 1 coming off the strength of that.
Teixeira is a real good 1st baseman isn’t he. Jeez he looked solid going to his right. The more I see him play, the more I like him in pinstripes. 10 years no way but they have to make a play for him.
“E-man, I would love to see if anyone else on the team has a better ERA in tie games. I doubt it.”
Well how are we going to know if Mo is always giving up the run?
They are going to really overpay for Tex and Sabathia now.
All is well though. Jeter has an Edge.
It’s sad that the only thing entertaining all of us is pete and his gum. this team drives a young man to early alcholism.
We’d just be swept by Anaheim anyway.
Exactly.
At this point I rather just see them collpase entirely and get a better draft slot at least. Let Joba and Wang sit the rest of the year, float some of these bloated contract clowns thru waivers and see if you can get anything for them.
This team is going nowhere even if by some miracle they made the playoffs all that is waiting is a first round matchup with the Angels. YEAH, that would go real well.
Oh, but of course I’m not a real Yankee fan for thinking that way.
YES talking to Betemit on the Postgame? Don’t remeber that before. Guess they think that last play was his ball.
LOL @ Pete chewing gum looking bored. But I guess that’s what a writer must resort to while covering this pathetic ball club.
E-Man,
The stats are correct. Mo hasn’t pitched as well in tie games and non-save situations as he has in save situations.
However, he is still the best reliever on the team, bar none. You put him in the game with trust anytime over giving Marte a second inning, when he seems incapable of going more than one.
Whatever the case this year, Mo has a track record of pitching well in tie games.
“Well how are we going to know if Mo is always giving up the run?”
Are you serious? That was the least intelligent thing anyone has ever said here. Ever. There are tie game situations other than the times that Mo pitches. Plenty of them.
Cano has to go.
Melky should have gone last winter.
Abreu is gone. Giambi is gone.
I said it in the first and I’ll say it again.
If you give away chances to score, you will lose to any good team.
They should have had 4 runs in the first, and got only 2. They didn’t even score 4 runs TOTAL in this game. They had 3 chances with runners at 3rd and 1 out and failed EVERY time to get the run in. How pathetic is that?
The offense is a joke. The entire season is lost because of our pathetic situational hitting. There is not “plenty of season” left any more, stop with the stupid excuses. This isn’t the schedule, it isn’t the injuries, it’s the PLAYERS playing like GARBAGE in KEY SPOTS.
That last defensive play was a freaking joke. Cano could have knocked it down, or maybe if he actually HUSTLED he could have even reached it? And Betemit could have easily gotten to that if he went for it instead of covering first.
This team is on the verge of dropping out of playoff contention. And with the team they are putting on the field, we have a right to be angry as a fan. They have more than enough on the field to win every game and they just don’t because they have no fundamentals or sense of situational hitting.
It’s not “bad luck.” It’s not “bad breaks.” It’s PLAYERS NOT GETTING THE JOB DONE AND PLAYING HARD. This team isn’t going to magically flip on a switch and hit with RISP or make the plays. They have had 5 months to do that and haven’t.
The last season of Yankee Stadium, and the most embarrassing, heartless team in 15 years on the field. What an honor to the great stadium. These guys should be ashamed.
Cano could’ve at least dived for it after dogging it. Didn’t want to get his jersey dirty I guess. Like I said just knock the ball down in that situation.
Betemit is getting grilled by Kim Jones, asking the tough questions and Mo is in the locker right next door getting dressed.
This shows we should have been a seller 2 weeks ago.
Huge mistake.
Genie in a bottle grants me three wishes:
1. Cano turns into Ian Kinsler
2. Nady returns next year
3. Erin Andrews for Kim Jones.
“That has nothing to do with whether or not you should use him in that spot.
You have no idea what you are talking about at all. None.”
It has everything to do with it. That’s the whole argument.
It’s like why he didn’t start Melky today against the LHP.
He’s hitting what? .200 against LHP
It’s the same argument.
It’s so sad to see Mariano having to play so many years with players that just don’t give the maximum effort. The Yankees have for too many years had too many players that are only there for the paycheck. Did you see Mo’s face when that ball got through?
I understand the book says don’t bring in your closer in a tie game on the road, but this was a special case. Mo hadn’t pitched in a few days and the Yankees needed this game. If it went beyond two innings, then so be it, but Mo needed to start the bottom of the 9th
Well said MAtt, well said.
Cano has been a terrible fielder for 3 years now. What is so different now?
For 200+ we have a bad team set up here.
No backup SS. No glove at 1b. No speed.
I’m with you Matt 100%. Both Betemit and Cano were in the wrong at the last play. Either one of those guys couldn’t dived and kept the ball in the infield. But to somehow single out Betemit on it – a guy that isn’t a regular 1B – it made Kim Jones questioning of it look silly.
Don’t worry. Cano and Melky will have a few beers and go clubbing tonight and not worry about it. They may even take kennedy because he doesn’t care either.
We need more gamers.
Fire Cashman.
This arguing about Mo is stupid. A ten hopper gets through two lazy defenders and you guys are arguing about bringing Mo in a tie game. Funny stuff.
“Are you serious? That was the least intelligent thing anyone has ever said here. Ever. There are tie game situations other than the times that Mo pitches. Plenty of them.”
Lets see some intelligence then. Try backing up your argument with some facts. You’re on the net, there’s no excuse not to be able to.
The only bad part about the inevitable loss is that Mo had to be on the mound for it. He got the ground ball, and SJ44 called it, the infielders should have caught it. Joe G came right out and said it on the YES postgame show. But Pete’s got the best take: the Yankees did it to themselves in the first inning. The unfortunate caught stealing at third, etc. were an outgrowth of their failures at the plate with RISP. Walking the #9 hitter in the bottom of the ninth didn’t help either.
The nonstop injuries and loss of key offensive players has played a huge role, but the lack of situational hitting is killing what remains of their chances in any given game. They must know it, too. And as the YES postgame show is saying, they’re still in the wildcard race, but if they keep playing like this, they’re toast.
The only bright spot is that the Angels’ next guests are the the Rays. The Little Engine that Could versus the kings of taking no prisoners: my money’s on the OC.
It’s like why he didn’t start Melky today against the LHP.
He’s hitting what? .200 against LHP
E-Man, there’s a difference. One deals with hard facts, Melky struggling against lefties indicates he doesn’t hit well as a righty.
The other stat is related to game situations. Would you pinch hit Betemit for A-Rod in a big situation because Betemit might have better numbers with RISP? I think CB’s argument is that stats regarding game situations are largely the product of luck, and not much onm future performance can be read in to them.
Trade Jeter and ARod. They are old and done.
Cano is a terrible fielder not because his lack of ability, but for his lack of focus. There are just too many instances when it looks like he could care less out there. You know Bernie got away with that a couple of times a year and he was given a pass because when the game was on the line he was at his best. Cano doesn’t get that kind of luxury because he, like Abreu, just play their game and if they win great if not it’s like tomorrow is another game. That kind of attitude is not going to win championships.
This pretty much settles the “Cano/Pedroia” debate.
Who wouldn’t take Pedroia at 2b?
Hmm anyone wonder why Cliff Lee is so good, check out how dirty his hat is. Wonder what all that brown stuff is.
Mo’s record in tie games is irrelevent to this loss. He did his job. He got a weak ground ball. The fact that Betemit & Cano were sleeping was the problem.
anyone who says it was bad luck is dumber then Betemit….
WHat the f was he saying anyone understand what the hell he was saying?
I think this team should have a minimum IQ test and I have a feeeling thre would be less guys on the team…
Cano is a friggin moron of the highest order, betemit is clueless, you need to keep the ball on the infield, mo of course will cover the base, dive with your soft body you sack of sh-t.
that ball should have been stopped, watch the replay.. Kim Jones interviewing Betemit, not a smart idea, the guy cannot speak english …
WOW the losses get worse al lthe time and some recent masterpieces are; the 7 – 6 debacle to the O’s, the Angel 1 zip disaster, the byrd granny horror show, but I am not sure if this is the worst of the lot there are so many bad losses to choose from…
they do not even know how to play there positons…Cano had an especially crisp and clutch game, followed by Damons great AB in like the 7th, or Arods rocket line out to right in the 6th or so, and then the captn, crushed the ball to kendrick with 2 out..
this is the worst yankee team I have seen since 1994…
Andy sounds really down and out of it. Did understand Kim’s question.
You have not brought one fact to support your contention that the greatest closer of all time, in the midst of a great year, with solid numbers in those situations, is not the best option. His ERA is 3 in those spots. Who exactly are you going to instead?
moshe,
his era would be worse.but the games usually ends after 1 run crosses plate
44 games left.
Have to go 27-17 just to get to 90 wins.
You think 90 wins gets a playoff spot? Maybe, I don’t think so though.
You think this team can go 27-17 the rest of the way? I sure as heck don’t.
Season over. Playoff run over. Start accepting it and root for Minn. and Chicago to at least keep Boston out too.
SJ has been right since May. We are done.
No kidding. Pedroia goes all out and gets his jersey dirty on that play. Kim Jones is even asking Pettite about the “dribbler” through the infield.
yeah the friggin rays played tonight without crawford and longoria and scored like 10 runs..
screw the injuries, that is a Bullsh-t excuse.. this team is the most unclutch group of michelin men softies we have seen in NY is about 20 + years..
they are soft from afraud to bobby(wall), to king derek and on..
they are woosies and they play soft……..Bottom line they are soft…
“The last season of Yankee Stadium, and the most embarrassing, heartless team in 15 years on the field. What an honor to the great stadium. These guys should be ashamed.”
You know what gets me upset is the fact that I purposely didn’t but tix to the last regular season game of the stadium thinking that they were going to make the playoffs. I didn’t want to spend playoff prices for a regular season game so I said I’ll wait until October to shell out the cash. Now the tix to the last game vs the O’s are insanely expensive and it looks like it will TRULY be the last game at the stadium. I hope this team turns it around in the next few weeks. I’d like to spend $1000 on seats when its worth it in October – not on Sept 21.
Very strange clubhouse today, seems like Kim is the only one interviewing the players.
“yeah the friggin rays played tonight without crawford and longoria and scored like 10 runs..”
You forgot to mention that they were playing SEA, one of the worst teams in the league. We were playing one of the best.
Well, there is another game tommorrow. Will you be there to watch it?
Cano with some further insight on par with Betemit.. Tell RObbie to open his mouth when he talks maybe we can understand him!!!
Maybe Kim can ask Cano why he sucks when it matters???THses guys are total fools………
Alex is pretty attainment that he was safe. Said the ump missed it and he probably knows it.
Teixeira is the best future option at first. Posada doesn’t want to play there, and would likely be pretty bad there and have no real range given how slow he is. Ultimately, the Yanks will find a role for Posada, but I don’t think it should be first base. It’s time for the Yankees to get better all around players. Good two-way players who are solid on defense and with the bat coupled with good pitching wins championships.
Teixeira turns 29 next year, and you figure he’d be solid through at least age 35, so I’d go as high as 7 years with him, and hope that’s enough.
Sure Gif, but he changed his tune when we reeled off 8 straight after the All-Star break.
I literally had to get off a treadmill to post this thru my phone….
What the he’ll was that shirt andy was wearing in the post-game interview?
He needs to stop borrowing clothes from Mussina.
Was that a Pete sighting next to Girardi as well?
Laura look at the rays lineup it sucks and they have a $35 mill payroll and they are ahead of the zillionaires.
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these time has no heart, I hope they prove me wrong but besides no heart it appears they have very little between there ears…..
“Alex is pretty attainment that he was safe. Said the ump missed it and he probably knows it.”
Should attainment be adamant?
Kim Jones to A-Rod “Do you feel like you’re running out of time” A-Rod “Yes” Tomorrow is a play off game.
“Very strange clubhouse today, seems like Kim is the only one interviewing the players.”
^^It could be that she interviewed them late. But I do know that some writers are on vacation and some writers are at the Olympics.
“Laura look at the rays lineup it sucks and they have a $35 mill payroll and they are ahead of the zillionaires.”
They also have a rotation of young pitchers, who are either really talented or are extremely lucky. Also, I know it’s a crime to mention our injuries, but TB has been fortunate in that regard. They lost their closer, but none of their big guns.
Jorge
Not a fan of the retro bowling shirts? They are cool.
“Tomorrow is a play off game.”
Games have been “playoff games” since the Yanks were under 500 since the break.
“Kim Jones to A-Rod “Do you feel like you’re running out of time†A-Rod “Yes†Tomorrow is a play off game.”
That Kim Jones certainly has a knack for the obvious. The Yankees need to play every game here on out as if it’s their last. Maybe that type of urgency will turn things around.
Oops, yep, you are right.
People love to predict bad stuff, just so they can be right. Why would you want to be a fatalist?
I’d rather be positive and be wrong. Than negative and right. Wanting bad stuff to happen is bad karma.
Marte has already surpassed his entire IP total from last year…. he is obviously tired.
We need to stop overusing him.
He is still a great weapon against lefties.
This team is still missing Wang, Joba, Matsui (who was pretty much the offensive foundation early on) and Posada. That’s a lot to lose. The Yankees are fighting, they’re just playing poorly. The inconsistency of the offense is frustrating, but they are also are very under-manned in the pitching rotation.
As for A-Rod, I agree that it was a risk worth taking stealing third. The team needed runs and with one out, you try to do what it takes to get the run home. It didn’t work out, but was worth the risk imo.
Celebrities always go in threes. First, Bernice Mac. Now, Isaac Hayes. I wonder who is next.
Lay off Kim Jones, I love her.
Kim told Arod that tomorrow is a playoff game?
Damn, that means he is going to go 0-4 with 2 Ks and 5 LOB.
mel
Your sanity is showing.
Bernice should be Bernie.
Ponson on artificial turf is going to be a disaster.
The Way the Angels own the Yanks, I believe the Term………
is BITCHES!!!
My Lord is anyone out there learning form this Pete? The Yankees need players not Bitches.
Get rid of these ridiculous Stat Collectors and get players.
Abreu, Giambi, Arod – TRADE TRADE TRADE DON”T SIGN DON”T SIGN
Matsui (trade once that knee is better)
Jeter( Get him to resign at a MUCH LOWER SALARY)
Has the team played well considering all the injuries? Yes but that is because Cashman and Girardi have pieced meal this thing and MOOSE AND PETTITE and JOBA have kept this team from being 10 games under .500
Injuries – plenty no question
UNDER PERfORMANCE ? PLease not even a question.
BLow up this team and trade AROD if you can and under no circumstances resign Abreu or Giambi – this teams needs to get younger and better in the clutch than these Softball players.
“Lay off Kim Jones, I love her.”
You are welcome to her. That doesn’t change the fact that she often asks stupid questions.
Stop with the injury excuse. Just STOP, RIGHT NOW.
This team, despite its injuries, has more than enough talent on the field to win. They are not losing because of injuries. They are losing because they have played like GARBAGE.
They still have a lineup that’s 7 deep, 5 or 6 all stars on the field, and 3 quality pitchers in their rotation. Their bullpen is solid except for recently. They are not getting it done on the field, that’s the reason they are losing, NOT the injuries.
Would Wang make a difference if they lost 2-1 instead of 10-1? No. Posada was useless when he was on the field because he was hurt anyway and Matsui log jams the DH spot as well, so you might have to sit someone just to play him.
The real reason we are where we are is not injuries, not the schedule, not “bad luck,” but the PLAYERS PLAYING POORLY.
Stop making excuses and justifying this. They are not playing well. What is there to get? This team is not entitled to anything, they have to earn it, and they haven’t earned anything this year.
“You know what gets me upset is the fact that I purposely didn’t but tix to the last regular season game of the stadium thinking that they were going to make the playoffs”
I made the same mistake. I turned down reasonably priced, good seats to the last game. Figured it wouldn’t really be the last game since they would most assuredly make the playoffs.
So the math is the Yankees are 7 games over .500 right now and they’re supposed to play 10 games over .500 THE REST OF THE WAY to get to 90 wins?
Sure, why not?
The glass-is-some-%-full way to look at it is, as bad as the injuries have been, as bad as many of the performances have been, as flawed as this team’s construction often looks, the Yankees are still playing meaningful games and may continue to do so into September if they don’t go completely off the cliff in Minnesota and back at the Stadium. That’s why we watch, right? To see meaningful games?
One thought on Joba: some of us are optimistically hoping to see him back by the end of the month or so. That could still happen. But I think the Yankees have to earn the chance to even maybe see Joba again. Even if he seems completely healthy, why risk it if the Yanks are out of it?
You want Joba back? Win some games, fast.
“BLow up this team and trade AROD if you can and under no circumstances resign Abreu or Giambi – this teams needs to get younger and better in the clutch than these Softball players.”
The operative words being “if you can”, which they can’t and won’t. That would be stupid.
Good news is we are still in the hunt for the wild card. The red soxs have their fair share of problems. I think the players need to hold a meeting, not a flip over the table meeting. But a it’s getting late early, we need to grind out every ab, and go after every ball meeting.
“You have not brought one fact to support your contention that the greatest closer of all time, in the midst of a great year, with solid numbers in those situations, is not the best option.”
Are you serious? Solid numbers in those situations?!?!?
8 of 9 runs that Mo has given up this year were from tie games.
That’s 8 different games.
Mariano has given up only 1 run in save situations.
“Games have been “playoff games†since the Yanks were under 500 since the break.”
Agreed but at least Alex admitted it. I was getting a little sick of hearing “we have plenty of time, we just have to start playing better”.
Women bashing Kim Jones. Makes sense.
“But a it’s getting late early, we need to grind out every ab, and go after every ball meeting.”
You would think that this type of meeting wouldn’t be necessary considering the circumstances, but maybe it is.
Matt,
Look at the pitching staff. Maybe, just maybe this team is not good enough to make the playoffs? I don’t know, they’re still in striking distance. But when some complain about the team not performing with a 200 million dollar payroll, the fact is a lot of that payroll is not on the field now.
Wang absolutely would have made a difference, pitjching good games and giving innings to save the bullpen. Confidence in the starters also allows the offense to relax and not try too much.
And the fact that he’s the greatest closer of all time has nothing to do with anything.
Arod is the greatest player in the game. Do you want him up in the bottom of 9th, 2 outs, 1 run game with the bases loaded based on what he’s done so far this season?
“Women bashing Kim Jones. Makes sense.”
So because we’re both women, I’m supposed to give her a pass on doing a sub-par job at covering the Yankees? I don’t think so. You don’t know women very well.
Season over. Now can everyone join my cause. Yankees in 09! Rehab Joba the right way don’t rush our future ace. Let Phil Franchise finish the year in SWB working on his command and developing a high quality third pitch. Keep Melancon down, don’t September call up the kid let him continue getting his work in down at SWB dominating hitters. When his innings limit is met shut him down and let him compete for a bullpen job next March. This is the price of being a transition team. Any team who wants to infuse several young pitchers into the pen and rotation respectively must have a down year, this is the Yankees down year. The sooner we except that as fans the better everyone will feel. Do we really want Joba blowing out his rotator cuff just to give us a few innings in September when we are 5 out of the card and 9 out in the division(probably more by the time he returns). Do we want Phil Hughes a future 2 or 3 guy to rush back from a serious injury just to provide a few mediocre innings, when next year he can come back at full strength and with a deeper arsenal. Do you want Mark Melancon a future bullpen stud called up just a few months after he started pitching coming off of Tommy John surgery? Use common sense Yankees in 09 its time to let Tampa have their fun in October it is our turn to sit this dance out.
E-Man,
Who should they bring in? The greatest closer of all time or somebody else. I don’t care how many runs he’s given up in tie games, you bring in the greatest closer of all time.
Hey, was that Pete sitting to the left of Joe Girardi while he was being interviewed?
Laura- one would think. But at this point I don’t think a throw a table over meeting would do any good. A calm meeting with the vets speaking up about being in this situation and how to handle it seems in order.
The division might be out of reach, but the wild card is right there. And I am still holding out hope that the Rays will have a Met type collapse.
I’m not dreaming, am I?
Al….why quit when you are 3 games out from the wild card race?
“The division might be out of reach, but the wild card is right there. And I am still holding out hope that the Rays will have a Met type collapse.
I’m not dreaming, am I?”
I don’t know. This whole season has seemed like one long bad dream. We need to sweep Minny in order to keep this season alive. I’ve got my fingers crossed.
“Who should they bring in? The greatest closer of all time or somebody else. I don’t care how many runs he’s given up in tie games, you bring in the greatest closer of all time.”
Girardi agreed.
What could we realistically get for Cano/Kennedy?
Jennifer, Isn’t that meeting supposed to be chaired by the captain? Who has shown moore disdain in leading that white on rice?
It is O-V-E-R…Let’s talk about 2009!
pat,
Seriously. Only my love of the Yankees keeps me coming back here. Great place for info, dialogue, and a good laugh.
Who’s on tap for the Minny series? Ponson?
paul- You would think. I don’t know maybe they’ve held them and we just don’t know. But I don’t recall hearing about one players only meeting this year.
But I’ve always maintained that Jorge is more of a captain and leader than Jeter.
2009 Yankees
CF Damon/Melky
SS Jeter (resign Jeter to 2 year deal at half price -he’s been paid already – otherwise he must go)
2B Cano
DH Matsui/Duncan (let Masui go at end of year)
RF Nagy
C Posada
LF Free Agent/Trade
1B FreeAgent/Trade
3B Free Agent/Trade – after trading AROD to Cubs.
THe Yankees need to realize they will never win with AROD – its all about him and all he cares about is multi-level marketing himself and his image into his next careers (acting, music, ownership, horses, girlfriends, future ex wife etc.)
He will end his career as one of the greatest players stat wise to ever play the game and one of the game’s biggest non performers in playoffs, world series, and in the clutch against good teams etc
Love to know what his stats are against 1st place teams (both during the year and the playoffs)- I bet they are average at best.
AROD now has another label – he is the Anti-Yankee
HE WILL NEVER BE A YANKEE
Alfonso Soriano where are you now?
mel-
Ponson
Moose
?
we miss lariano… we can easily sweep the twins.
then we will have a 5-5 road trip, great all things considered.
remember we own the twins the way the angels own us.
@ Al from BK
How right you are. Joba should get the rest of the year off, but the kids who pitched well did earn the right to come up to the show, when the rosters expand.
a team could be 4 out with 10 games left and still have a chance.
with 44 games left, anything could happen.
it’s up to everyone involved from cashman to girardi to the players to make something happen.
anyone who’s not on board with that should be benched,sent down, fired, or released.
it’s really not that complicated.
The ’stache is making a comeback.
“Jason Giambi, who rested against the left-hander Joe Saunders, said he was growing back his mustache.” from NY Times.
“remember we own the twins the way the angels own us.”
We own them at the stadium. They play us a little tougher at that God awful stadium of theirs.
I think TBA is still on the 40-man roster, so he should be on tap for Wednesday night.
Lots of good questions on the Joe Girardi show.
Alright Twinkies series next
We have
Sir Sidney vs. Perkins
Moose vs. Blackburn
And Wed….who knows?
Just got back from the game….Just another give away game….This team’s lack of a decnt 1B has cost them at least 5 games this season…..Pete, saw you today ( Blue Shirt, banquet table regular it looks like )……Was A-Rod safe, it appeared that he was under the slide….They don’t show replays on close calls of course…..The grounder to Cano / Betemit left many scratching their heads…I still cannot undestand , as it happened so fast , yet it seemed like slow motion……This team is a paradox…..
Nick- I hope tba is a great pitcher, I can’t stomach watching another poor pitching performance.
@ Big V
Arod isn’t going anywhere. We’re stuck with him, and if he were to be traded the Yanks would probably have to pick up at least a quarter to a third of his remaining salary. Not gonna happen.
“we can easily sweep the twins”
The way this team is playing they couldn’t sweep a sandlot baseball team at this point.
The same old stock statements will be heard. ” We’ve got to produce runs “, “We have to stop beating ourselves”, We gotta do this – we gotta do that”.
Blah-blah-blah …. yada yada.
Talk is cheap. Do it on the field. Time is running out. Excuses don’t work anymore.
“I hope tba is a great pitcher, I can’t stomach watching another poor pitching performance.”
My guess is TBA is Rasner so you may be in store for another poor pitching performance.
Thanks Jennifer. If Pete can read between all the foul language from Girardi we can get a definitive answer.
Looks like:
Ponson @ Perkins
Mussina @ Blackburn
(Hopefully not) Kennedy @ Slowey
Pat Yes he was save. Alex even called out the ump in the post game, said he probably knows he missed it.
Giambi should stay clean shaven until the end of the season, then next year when he’s with another club he can grow an entire goatee!
“Alex is pretty attainment that he was safe”. I think the word you wanted was adamant.
mel
Couldn’t agree more. Sidney, Moose and TBD. Unless Cashman fleeces someone in the next 3 days, it’s likely Rasner.
Is Posada in the dugout for moral support?
mel
Ian went back to SWB today.
we can easily sweep the twins.
The sad thing is that nothing is easy with this team. Whatever we expect them to do, they seem to do the opposite.
“Is Posada in the dugout for moral support?”
No.
TB has had their share of injuries as well. Crawford just went on the 15 day DL. Evan has missed three games in a row. Their SS was on the DL for 15 days. Pena missed a big chunk of time earlier on the DL. Please. The Yankees have no excuse when it comes to injuries.
SJ44 has said a few times that the “culture” of this team needs to be reworked but he never (to my knowledge) said exactly what he meant by that.
My feeling is that it started with the trade for ARod. Here was a trade that sent the team into a psychological malaise from which they have never recovered. I believe it revolves around the astronomical difference in his salary in regards to every other player on the team. Imagine if you will that you were only making 2 or 3 % of one of your co-workers but they weren’t outperforming you by 97 to 98 %. Would you be giving your maximum effort? Sure they might never admit it out loud but I gotta believe sub-consciously its there as an issue for that whole team.
This is a player that despite stellar stats and personal awards had never won anything before he arrived here. He quit on his teammates in Texas as he couldn’t stand being there and losing anymore and let it be known that he wanted OUT of there.
How do you expect a team to play like a team with a One for All and All for One spirit with him as the face of the organization?
JMO
“we can easily sweep the twins.”
We should also easily sweep BAL and you’ve seen how that turns out.
mel Kennedy was sent down today, so it won’t be him. Laura’s right, most likely it will be Rasner. Joe also said that Giese is getting another start, but didn’t say when, with the off day. I wonder if there would be any consideration to having Dan pitch on short rest, and Rasner backing him up? Or if Joe is looking to push Andy back a day.
I also think that we could see Phil back up here when his count is increased to 90, I think they’d keep Carl down for 2 more starts, and if all is well bring him up. We do have reinforcements on the horizon, the team must keep their head above water till they arrive.
Virgin Islands Yes that was already established. Sorry, I used spell check and clicked too quickly.
Paul- Jorge said he’d rejoin the team once he was out of the sling, probably will be there for the kc series.
pat,
Thanks. Guess mlb.com didn’t get the memo, though you didn’t need a crystal ball or Yankee speak dictionary to see that one coming. I really wanted Ian to do well, for his sake and ours.
We don’t care about how good the Rays are. Our only concern is the Yankees.
It is interesting to note, however, that Wakefield went on the DL with shoulder issues. I bet they’ll move Masterson back to the rotation.
TBA is not an ace!
Kei Igawa!!!
We needed a shutout from Andy.
i thought A-Rod going was a good play situationally. 1 out in a tie game late is the most opportune time to steal 3rd.
“How do you expect a team to play like a team with a One for All and All for One spirit with him as the face of the organization?”
Sorry, but you can’t blame the Yankees problems on A-Rod. If these guys aren’t giving their all because they make less than he does, then they don’t belong on the team. A-Rod has always made more than everyone else since he joined the Yankees and they didn’t have these problems before.
It’s easy to blame A-Rod because of the monster contract, but the truth is that even if A-Rod were having the kind of year he had last year, we’d still be behind the eight ball because no one else is holding up their end of the bargain. Our pitching and defense is very lacking. There’s nothing that A-Rod can do about that.
“Paul August 10th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Al….why quit when you are 3 games out from the wild card race?”
Maybe its because the risk of blowing out Joba’s arm and bringing up an unready Hughes outweighs the reward of possibly sniffing a playoff berth.
“We don’t care about how good the Rays are.”
Not much they can do about them until they play them. I’ll be sure to tune in and check them out in Anaheim this week though. Haven’t the Angels figured out that the Yanks in the playoffs usually ends well for them?
“I bet they’ll move Masterson back to the rotation.”
How about Colon? He’s been making starts in Pawtucket.
THE ONLY CHANCE THE YANKEES WILL WIN IS IF THEY BRING UP AUSTIN JACKSON FROM AA.
Yankees Next Year.. Big V you are WAY offf
C- Posada/Molina
1B- Giambi/Betitmit (hard to replace Giambi’s 90+ RBIs)
2B- Cano
SS- Jeter
3B- Arod
LF- Manny Ramirez/Matsui
CF- Damon/Austin Jackson
RF- Nady
DH- Matsui/Manny
SP- Sabathia, Mussina OR Pettite, Joba, Hughes, Wang
RP- Pretty much stays the same. Depends on Trades.
Gone: Matsui (if they can move him to SF), Melky, and I say Mussina or Pettite retires.
Addition: perhaps Corey Patterson, Manny, CC Sabathia.
If this team as it is currently constructed somehow makes the playoffs, they will go 3 and out. Who wants to see another first round stinker anyway? Rehab the kids, onward to 09.
yeah the kids… you mean joba. he’s the only good player to come out of the system.
I think the Yankees are 4 games out of the WC behind the sux. Can someone please confirm this?
No one quits 3 games back with 34 games left. That’s nuts.
What good is the wildcard if you have to play LA with homefield advantage in a short series? We witnessed what would happen first hand. It is O-V-E-R!!!
When you quit it’s over.
It’s no over cause there are a few yet to stand and be counted.
You can quit.
“(hard to replace Giambi’s 90+ RBIs)”
Can we try please?
IF Manny can be traded in three days the Yankees can trade AROD……..fair value? Who cares.
THe idea is rid themselves of this nonperforming cancer- he doesn’t rally the troops – the players tolerate the guy.
His numbers are so incredibly deceiving – as are some of the other Yankees they either unload in a few games or stink it up for 4 straight.
This is not baseball we are watching the last 4 years. THese are really bad “baseball” players. They don’t play as a team. THe true Superstars like a Pettite, Jeter of the past, Posada and Rivera have glossed over these other guys.
WE need to stop deceiving ourselves much like the Knicks did
Face it guys even with everyone healthy – this is not a championship team. To do that you have to perform well against the good teams and in the playoffs.
THe Yanks haven’t done that in years – they are like the lead horse in a race – he eventually fades.
Blow up this overpriced machine and keep the good parts and sell the rest. A good corporate raider would know what to do with this team.
Gordon Gekko on line 1
If it is over, stop watching. Or posting.
You only quit when you are further behind than games left. It isn’t over till its over.
I’m talking about blowing up this team at the end of the year.
Its too late after the trade deadline to do anything really.
Hopefully they don’t trade for WashOut on the M’s although he’ll be a perfect addition to the underperformers in that sense.
i blame this loss totally on billy traber! DFA DFA DFA
“My feeling is that it started with the trade for ARod. Here was a trade that sent the team into a psychological malaise from which they have never recovered. I believe it revolves around the astronomical difference in his salary in regards to every other player on the team.”
Alex Rodriguez Third Base $28,000,000
Jason Giambi Designated Hitter $23,428,571
Derek Jeter Shortstop $21,600,000
Bobby Abreu Outfielder $16,000,000
Andy Pettitte Pitcher $16,000,000
Mariano Rivera Pitcher $15,000,000
Jorge Posada Catcher $13,100,000
Johnny Damon Outfielder $13,000,000
Hideki Matsui Outfielder $13,000,000
Mike Mussina Pitcher $11,071,029
Carl Pavano Pitcher $11,000,000
Disparity must mean something other than what I always thought it did. Especially considering that for every year except for this year, Texas was paying a sizeable chunk of his salary.
I guess *astronomical* is relative too.
I gotta go with Big V on this one. Barry has an interesting potential lineup but there are a few problems
1. Giambi and Mussina are having great years, but don’t discount the fact that they’re in contract years. Money is always a motivator. Also those two aren’t spring chickens. Do you really want to re-sign a 38 year old hitter and a 40 year old pitcher??
2. IMO there are better options in the farm system than resigning Betemit. I’d rather give a shot to Justin Christian or Brett Gardner.
3. There’s a reason why Boston got rid of Manny. His attitude apparently was so bad, it outweighed the risk of losing his offense, particularly in October. That’s saying something. He’s not a youngster either, turning 37 next year. $20M on an aging bad ass may not be worth it.
4. Austin Jackson is an amazing player, but we shouldn’t rush him through the system. Let him grow into a complete player. Ian Kennedy & Phil Hughes flew through the farm system and we saw how well that worked.
5. If CC loses a couple of pounds and pitches more consistently then I’m all for it. Pettitte is done as a starter.
Big V is a Big Moron.
twins just showed the yanks what hustle is. stings. don’t it.
oh boy! last licks!
question is, how many pitches will it take them to make three outs? 4? maybe 5 pitches?