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Game 121: Yankees at Twins

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YANKEES (64-56)
Damon LF
Abreu DH
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady RF
Cano 2B
I. Rodriguez C
Betemit SS
Cabrera CF
Rasner RHP

TWINS (66-53)
Span CF
Harris SS
Mauer C
Morneau 1B
Kubel RF
Young LF
Buscher 3B
Ruiz DH
Punto 2B
Slowey RHP

Darrell Rasner (5-8, 5.28) vs. the Minnesota hitters.

Kevin Slowey (8-8, 4.07) vs. the New York hitters.

Notes: The lineup was delayed as the Yankees were waiting to see if Derek Jeter (bruised left foot) could play. He fouled a ball off his foot last night and left the game in the ninth inning. More on his status later.

The Yankees are 3-6 on a road trip that mercifully ends today. They have been outscored 55-40. They were 5.5 games out of first before the trip and are eight games out starting today. … The Yankees are 16 of 75 with RISP on the trip (.213) and have grounded into 16 double plays. … Rasner is 1-1, 3.71 in three starts against the Twins in his career.

THIS GUY SHOULD PLAY EVERY DAY: Johnny Damon has had six straight multI-hit games. He is 16 of 38 on the trip with 7 runs scored and 5 RBI. He’s up to .325, which leads the AL.

THE BEST XAVIER SINCE McDANIEL: Xavier Nady is 21 of 61 (.344) with 11 runs, 17 RBI and 11 extra-base hits in 17 games as a Yankee.

BUT THE TRADE WASN’T ALL GOOD: Damaso Marte has pitched nine games since coming over. 7.1 innings, 9 hits, 9 earned runs, 5 walks.

ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL: Alex Rodriguez is having an interesting road trip. He’s 6 of 32 (.188) with six GIDPs and eight strikeouts. But three of the hits are homers and two are doubles.

OH NO MO: Mariano River since July 1: 14 games, 16.2 innings, 17 hits (2 HRs), 6 earned runs, 2 walks, 19 strikeouts. That’s a 3.24 ERA.

MOOSE ON THE ROAD: Mike Mussina’s last eight road starts: 6-0, 2.68.

COME BACK KRAZY KYLE, ALL IS FORGIVEN: The relievers on the road trip: 26.1 innings, 32 hits (6 HR), 12 walks, 25 earned runs. They’re 1-3 with an 8.54 ERA.

STOP SIGN: Bobby Abreu has been caught stealing eight times in 22 attempts.

Back later with lots of updates.

UPDATE, 12:34 p.m.: Girardi said that Jeter has a bruise but could pinch hit today and should be able to play on Friday. We haven’t been able to speak to Jeter yet. But be assured that he will say he feels fine, he always does.

Phil Hughes will start for Scranton on Sunday, so it’ll be Dan Giese on Tuesday unless he’s needed in long relief before then.

So the rotation at the moment:
Friday: Pettitte
Saturday: Ponson
Sunday: Mussina
Tuesday: Giese
Wednesday: Pettitte
Thursday: Ponson
Friday: Mussina

UPDATE, 12;39 p.m.: The clubhouse opens to the media 3.5 hours before first pitch. So today that 8:40 a.m.

I showed up around 9:05. The only Yankees in the house were Damaso Marte and Pudge Rodriguez. Based on what I’ve seen so far, Pudge gets after it. He’s always at the park early doing something. Film, BP, studying scouting reports, etc.

Most of the players arrived around 9:45 a.m.

Jason Giambi was in a good mood given the early hour and was excited about playing first base. “The Big G is running loose,” he said.

Meanwhile, the conditions at the Metrodome are so cramped that Darrell Rasner was do his pre-game stretching routine in the hallway outside the clubhouse on the dirty floor.

UPDATE, 1:13 p.m.: And we’re underway with two pops to shortstop by Damon and Abreu. Not a bad crowd, lots of camp groups. Nice to see a team give the Yankees a day game on getaway day for a change.

UPDATE, 1:17 p.m.: Well, The Big G did say he was loose. He smoked that ball off the baggie. 1-0 lead for Rasner.

UPDATE, 1:31 p.m.: Good start for Rasner. That error was not Giambi’s fault, the webbing of his glove broke.

UPDATE, 1:52 p.m.: You have to love the Twins, the DH bats eighth and it’s Randy Ruiz, who looks like a softball player. Ruiz is listed at 6-3, 235. He left 235 behind a long time ago, trust me. He also just got doubled off first.

Ruiz is a 31-year-old rookie who has played with a bunch of teams including the Yankees. This is the 12th game he has played. He’s 5 for 12, so he can hit.

UPDATE, 2:00 p.m.: Harris was out for running out of the base-line. Nice call by Mike Winters.

It’s 1-3 if you’re scoring at home. And if you’re scoring at home, good job.

UPDATE, 2:12 p.m.: Cano makes a lot of careless plays. He was totally off the bag there. Would the Dodgers take Betemit and Cabrera in return for Larry Bowa?

UPDATE, 2:21 p.m.: Delmon Young has two homers and 10 RBI in 10 games against the Yankees. In his 102 other games he has five homers and 42 RBI.

UPDATE, 2:26 p.m.: Slowey has retired 11 straight since Giambi’s RBI single.

Cano is now 13 of his last 61 with six RBI over 17 games.

UPDATE, 2:45 p.m.: Cabrera is now 3 of his last 26 and is down to .242. Damon needs to play center and Nady left on most nights if they’re serious about making the playoffs.

UPDATE, 2:48 p.m.: There they go again, running into more outs. Abreu is 14 for 23 and that’s just not good enough with the guys he has hitting behind him.

Rasner was just pulled after five innings and 92 pitches. His line: 5 4 3 2 1 4. He did his job. If Cano makes a simple play it’s 2-1.

UPDATE, 3:00 p.m.: Dan Giese came into the game despite having started and thrown 83 pitches on Saturday. He loaded the bases and was taken out of the game with an apparent injury after 15 pitches.

UPDATE, 3:04 p.m.: No word yet on what is wrong with Giese. Rasner has retired the final five batters he faced. But he was at 92 pitches, the most he has thrown since July 29.

Meanwhile, home plate umpires Mike Winters is leaving the game after being hit in the head with a foul ball. Is it me or have a lot of umpires been injured this season?

UPDATE, 3:10 p.m.: This hot news from PR dude Jason Zillo: Hideki Matsui will play for either the GCL or Florida State League team tomorrow.

UPDATE, 3:19 p.m.: The game was delayed for about 13 minutes. Good job by Robertson limiting the damage. But it’s 4-1 and the Yankees seem to be in a rush to go home.

UPDATE, 3:24 p.m.: Another “let’s get this over with” game for the Yankees. They’ve had one hit since the first inning.

UPDATE, 3:28 p.m.: That’s a new one. Usually Melky and Robbie play poorly individually. They teamed up there.

081308_14291.jpgUPDATE, 3:34 p.m.: Since this game is so brutal, here’s a photo of lovable Twins mascot T.C. The Bear to brighten your day. I’m guessing it’s not going to work.

UPDATE, 3:38 p.m.: Dan Giese has a stiff shoulder. That’s a medical term I really can’t explain. I’ll look it up and get back to you.

Now the Yankees will need a starter for Tuesday. Phil Hughes, come on down.

UPDATE, 3:41 p.m.: Sexson for Melky. Good move.

UPDATE, 3:42 p.m.: He struck out. But at least they tried something.

UPDATE, 3:46 p.m.: Like always, it’s come down to Alex. Yankees down 4-2, runners at first and third, two outs. Jesse Crain coming in to pitch.

UPDATE, 3:50 p.m.: A-Rod 1 for 6 against Crain.

UPDATE, 3:52 p.m.: Maybe Abreu should try and steal again. That always works so well.

UPDATE, 3:53 p.m.: Pops up a 3-1 pitch to center. Three outs left and they’ll be against Joe Nathan.

UPDATE, 3:59 p.m.: Morneau just broke his bat and the biggest piece sailed about 20 rows over the Yankees dugout. It doesn’t appear anybody got hurt, thankfully.

UPDATE, 4:03 p.m.: Seriously, what is going on with this team? Mauer steals second and both Betemit and Cano cover the base and nobody catches the ball.

The careless mistakes have been mounting lately, especially on defense.

UPDATE, 4:13 p.m.: Yanks have had five hits as we head to the ninth, four of them singles.

UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: And that’s the road trip, a 3-7 stumble across America. They were outscored 59-42 and were 17 of 80 with RISP.

There are 41 games left, so the Yankees aren’t done. But 12 losses in the last 18 games doesn’t lead you to believe they’ll get in the postseason mix. This team is too injured and inconsistent. They play tight.

Back later with some reaction.

 
 

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1,018 Responses to “Game 121: Yankees at Twins”

  1. dan August 13th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    wow didint know his baserunning was that poor, thats truly stinkitude….ha had to use that

    I defended him in another thread, coming around to the other side now

    Lets play with a lead today fellas, get through it and come home for the weekend!

  2. bphill August 13th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    momentum

  3. dan August 13th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Like to see Irod hit today also

  4. jay destro August 13th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    oh noez not melky

  5. mel August 13th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    At least Bobby can steal. Cano exemplifies stinkitude on the basepaths.

    Suckitude’s more like it.

  6. Justin C. August 13th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    WHY IS MELKY PLAYING JESUS

  7. Baja August 13th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    Anyone else counting the days until Carl Pavano leads us to the Holy Land?

  8. Jorge Steinbrenner (if you trade Robbie and Melky, can you at least give them their own show?) August 13th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    I just saw Alex’s post-game interview last night. A lot more “we” talk from him lately, almost as if he’s trying on the “leadership” hat. While it’s welcome to see him try this, will that hat ever fit him, and will players even see him as a leader….ever?

    Yankees Magazine profiling when Kevin Maas hit the scene? proof i’ve been home sick for too long. time to get to work.

    I see Tricia’s got a cold too. Wonder how she feels sharing a cold with the mental health professional she wouldn’t refer someone too. Never got to respond to that comment, but that was pretty uncalled for. Bush-league comments like that cancel out anything good a person might have to say here otherwise.

    Anyways, days old, but needed to be said.

  9. YankeesBen August 13th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    i wonder how many cought stealing on Abreu have come on payoff pitches, he always keeps looking back I think thats why they keep getting him, at times he looks so foolish.

  10. al arodien August 13th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    STOP SIGN: Bobby Abreu has been caught stealing eight times in 22 attempts

    the reason is because he doesnt run as well as he used to.

  11. blackaccord August 13th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    The bottom 3 of U.S womens softball team that played in the olympics yesterday will be better than this bottom 3… Another 0fer day for melky…

  12. Buddy Biancalana August 13th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Pass on Krazy Kyle, but thanks for the thought.

  13. YankeesBen August 13th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    hey melky fans (not), whom would you rather see playing Center field today?

  14. #9 August 13th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    “WHY IS MELKY PLAYING JESUS”

    I know – he looks nothing like Jesus.

  15. YankeesBen August 13th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    is it game 120 or 121?

  16. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 13th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Forget about Melky, i’m not sure I like Giambi hitting fourth.

  17. 27 this year August 13th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Why do we constantly have to switch the DH, I think we need more consistency. I understand the whole idea of rest but at this rate, our guys are going to get plenty of rest in Oct.

  18. mel August 13th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    How many CS are because of A-rod? :)

  19. jason August 13th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    Not to make excuses for Melancon, but I read earlier that the two hits were Mariana style (not including last night) bloops just over infielder’s heads and the passed ball may have been the result of not being on the same page with the catcher.
    At any rate, it concerns me a bit to push this guy so hard after surgery. I know he is further along because he had the surgery earlier then the other TJ four, but wait until Sept. when rosters expand. If we have closed the gap maybe you roll the dice, if not let him prepare for next year.
    Same with Joba – if by Sept the Yankees are close to a berth and he his fully healed bring him back. If the gap is still quite wide, then let him get prepared for next year.
    Same with Hughes – buy some time. I really would like to continue to see him work on his additional pitches. I don’t know if he will be able to do that in the big leagues. Like Kennedy he can absolutely dominate the minor leagues, but he can still refine his game there.

  20. NYYankFan August 13th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    “But three of the hits are homers and one a double.”

    2 doubles.

  21. mel August 13th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    27,

    Do you realize that Bobby’s a great DH? And the fact that it keeps him off the field is just a bonus.

  22. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    “Bobby Abreu has been caught stealing eight times in 22 attempts.”

    Another reason not to resign him. Molina has been caught less times.

  23. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    (mel – just wrote this to you below and noticed the jump up! :) )

    Mel – he he he. I SWEAR that I didn’t stay home purposely because there’s a day game on. Heck that’s what MLB.TV is for!

    But of course it doesn’t hurt to be able to be home and watch a day game.

    Mel, how is the economy out there? RI had the dubious distinction of being the first state in the US to officially be in a recession. As a consequence of that, a very busy office in the summer months, (and add that to being the financial victim of “one of those kinds of builders”), I find that vacation for me means taking a day out of work as opposed to flying off to exotic locales – or even not-so-exotic locales! So I probably would have turned this into a vacation day to watch the Yanks anyway! But their on-going dubious play really caused it to be a sick day!

    :D

  24. TurnTwo August 13th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    “I know – he looks nothing like Jesus.”

    they can do wonders with makeup and special effects now.

  25. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Melky needs to be there for defense. I seriously doubt we are losing games because out number 9 hitter has been struggling. Have him bunt, lean into a pitch or something. I agree with consistency though. Same lineup the last 40 games. Giambi at first, damon can dh, melky in cf. When Matsui comes back, then you consider damon back in cf, nady in left, and matsui dh.

  26. 27 this year August 13th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Yea Bobby is a good DH but is he really that bad on defense? Only when the ball gets close to the wall does he fall apart. He has pretty good speed and a good, but sometimes inaccurate arm. I think he is adequate on defense especially since he can hit.

  27. V August 13th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Melky is a young Bernie. He’s just going thru a tough stretch.

  28. sunny615 August 13th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Melky is playing because Jeter is out and Betemit is playing SS so all the OF are playing (Abreu, Nady, Damon, and Cabrera – with Abreu DH’ing)

    Not thrilled about it, but it’s Melky or Christian…

  29. Andrew August 13th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    “Same with Hughes – buy some time. I really would like to continue to see him work on his additional pitches. I don’t know if he will be able to do that in the big leagues. Like Kennedy he can absolutely dominate the minor leagues, but he can still refine his game there.”

    Only, Hughes’ curve ball and change-up are far ahead of Kennedy’s curve ball and slider. His additional pitches are more major-league ready than IPK’s, on top of his far superior heater. I don’t think he really needs to refine all that much–but I do understand taking a wait and see approach before saying who will pitch on Tuesday in Toronto. If Ponson or Pettitte get spanked by K.C. this weekend (Andy did give up 10 runs to their world-beating offense already this year), you can stretch Giese out and use Hughes on Tuesday in Toronto. If they get through the weekend in one piece, Phil gets another AAA start to get him close to or at 100 pitches and then, depending on how he comes through it, maybe ascends for the weekend series in Baltimore.

    Ideally, that series in Baltimore could feature Hughes and Matsui returning to the mix. That would be interesting.

  30. frits August 13th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    “melky is a young bernie”

    oh great. now we get to have this argument again for the 100th time this year.

  31. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    I heard on ESPN this morning Arods HR was his first go adead hit in the 7th inning or late all year, if true WOW that is bad.

    Brain surgeons Melky is playing because it is either him or Christian so shut your yaps, Jeter cannot play today retards……

  32. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    We have a double-edge sword with the Melky situation. Taking him out of the lineup definitely has disastrous implications in terms of defense. We saw that last night with Johnny in center (runs scoring and runners running who wouldn’t have thought to run on Melky.) On the other hand, Johnny’s bat is so hot that it washed out the negative effects of people running on him. That may not always happen.

    The reverse is true, in that Melky might help to keep runs from scoring, but not everything is hit to center. So other runs will score. And Melky is struggling so mightily at this point that his AB end up hurting us.

    What’s a mother to do? Pray for the wisdom of Solomon and hope that you play him on the “right” days and sit him on the “right” days.

  33. vin August 13th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    You know you’ve had a rough season when Wilson Betemit gets this much playing time.

  34. mel August 13th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    27,

    I didn’t check it out, but in the last thread there’s a link about Bobby’s defense.

    I know Nady’s not very fast, but at least he’ll lay out for a ball.

    I think that DH frees Bobby’s mind. :)

  35. Drew August 13th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    I’d rather have Nady hitting behind A-Rod.

    And Farnsworth being here wouldn’t mean a thing.

  36. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    At least today will be a chance to see how this lineup does without Captain GIDP in the 2 hole.

    Hopefully it wakes Girardi up to the fact he should not be there anymore.

    Plus I always think it’s better to have your best hitter batting 3rd. Better chance of him having one more AB each game.

  37. vin August 13th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    “melky is a young bernie”

    I don’t see him as a young bernie… more like a young Willie Mays (except with a better arm of course) ;)

  38. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    Anybody else think that not only are we going to make the playoffs,but we are going to catch the banged up Rays? They play the Rangers this weekend who’s offense might be too much for Tampa to handle. While we play the Royals. 5 1/2 games back by monday. Come September, we get some important players back and make the last strong push.

    Who’s with me!!!

  39. jason August 13th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    Andrew,
    Sorry, my point about Hughes vs Kennedy was unclear. I think that Hughes is already the far superior pitcher and will be going forward.
    I meant that like Kennedy, they both just dominate the minor leagues but need to work on things. Kennedy – fastball and overall command; Hughes – changeup and slider. I just feel that working on these pitches in AAA and building confidence is greater than coming to the majors giving up working on these pitches and losing confidence.

  40. mel August 13th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    trisha,

    A broadcaster said that Jeter should’ve played further out so that Johnny could make the relay throw. :P

  41. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Anybody else think that not only are we going to make the playoffs,but we are going to catch the banged up Rays?

    Isn’t it awfully early to be drinking already?

  42. The Monk August 13th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Melky is not a young Bernie. Even when he was inexperienced, Bernie had plate discipline and a clue. Unlike Melky, Bernie adjusted and learned.

    As for the Mo struggles — after his reaction to coughing it up last night, I think he’s going to refocus. There’s a degree to which he seemed to be on cruise control in previous outings. He was VERY upset — Mo usually does not get that emotional after a bonk.

    I remember how in ’99 he blew a game against the Braves at the Stadium right after the ASB on an Andruw Jones dinger for his fourth blown save. He was 23 of 27 at that point.

    He finished 45 of 49.

    He went 6-for-6 in saves in the postseason, including 2-for-2 against the Braves. He was the World Series MVP. Count it up — that’s 28 straight.

    I’m not too worried about Mo.

  43. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    I’d rather have Nady hitting behind A-Rod.

    Not when Big G and his trusty mustache w/ his under .200 RISP AVG are roaming the dugout.

  44. mel August 13th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Drew,

    Looks like the last time they tried it, Xavier went 0-fer. They may be trying to do the L-R-L thing, which I understand, but I hate.

  45. jason August 13th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    SOS – If we are within 5 games of the Rays on Sept. 1 we catch them. They are without Crawford who opted for surgery and is done for at minimum the regular season. They are without Longoria with a wrist injury – so even if he comes back he will be at less than full strength for awhile. Many of their pitchers are beyond their past experience with innings. Their schedule is brutal. They play the Yanks and Red Sox 6 times each. Play a good chunk of their games on the road.
    All that being said, the Yankees just need to keep winning and building momentum. As of today, I have no confidence that this can happen.

  46. TurnTwo August 13th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    “Anybody else think that not only are we going to make the playoffs,but we are going to catch the banged up Rays?

    Isn’t it awfully early to be drinking already?”

    it is 12 noon on the East Coast, so he’s all clear.

    IMO, i do see the Rays falling back and the Saux taking over before the season is thru. but that could be just me.

  47. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    “Isn’t it awfully early to be drinking already?”

    Its never to early to rid myself of the pain. Join me!!

  48. Joe I August 13th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    “Melky is a young Bernie.”

    I agree. When Bernie was like 14 or 15, he probably couldn’t hit major league pitching too.

  49. JM August 13th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    “Melky is a young Bernie. He’s just going thru a tough stretch.”

    Yes,He is struggle for whole season this year,then hurt the team.To tell the truth,I didn’t think he really did his best toward every games.

  50. Andrew August 13th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    jason,

    I definitely understand where you’re coming from. I guess the point I would stick with is that I think Hughes at this point requires less time to work on his game, and now that he’s healthy his stuff alone can make a difference at the big league level and help the rotation. He seems to not only have just the pure stuff advantage on IPK, but he also seems like he’s got a better grasp of how to pitch and how to get big league hitters out, at least in the limited exposure us fans have had to him. Plus, I think he’s moved away from the slider again in favor of the cutter which he’s been throwing at least in his 2 most recent rehab starts. That said, the real interesting thing will be to see if he relies on that pitch a lot in the bigs when he gets recalled, or if he sticks with his bread & butter fastball/curveball/occasional change-up formula.

  51. jay destro August 13th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    Melky is a good fourth outfielder, not a young Bernie.

  52. TurnTwo August 13th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    “Its never to early to rid myself of the pain. Join me!!”

    unfortunately, this pesky thing called work doesnt allow me to, but please, have a couple for me while you’re at it!

  53. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    “Who’s with me!!!”

    Of course I’m with ya!

    :)

  54. mommy August 13th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see Jeter make an appearance if Betemit stinks up the place.

  55. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    jason,
    That is exactly why i think we have a good chance to comeback. Even the Sox are banged up. I think Lowell got hurt yesterday. We just need another good winning streak(7/8) and everything will fall into place.

  56. saucY August 13th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    27 this year, i agree with you on Abreu. I hope they can keep him… somehow.

  57. Eric August 13th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Abreu absolutely has to go after this season. He has been terrible in the field this year (see previous thread, he is -20 runs below replacement level and worst in the league), his stolen bases are down, and his hitting has declined the past 2 years. He is clearly on the downside of his career and will continue to trend downward in the future. The Yankees need to be more like the Red Sox in this regard and get rid of players too soon rather than too late…

  58. TurnTwo August 13th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    “We just need another good winning streak(7/8) and everything will fall into place.”

    now is as good a time as any, with the Royals coming to town, to rip off 3-4-5-6 in a row going into next week.

  59. Rob August 13th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    “Wouldn’t be surprised to see Jeter make an appearance if Betemit stinks up the place.”

    Derek Jeter??? You KNOW he’s got an Edge!!!!!!!

  60. Joeysdadjoe August 13th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    First off the rotating DH is a by product of the rotating lineup.Makes sense to rotate the DH since you don’t lose much between Abreu/Nady,Giambi/Betemit.As I’ve said the opportunity to make up ground is there….we need to capitalize.

  61. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    “it is 12 noon on the East Coast, so he’s all clear.”

    Ummm Turn Two. Im in the West Coast.

    “unfortunately, this pesky thing called work doesnt allow me to, but please, have a couple for me while you’re at it!”

    Who said so? Im at work as we speak. Take one for the team. Your boss will understand. I would.

    Thanks Trish. I knew i could count on ya.

  62. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    The thing I can’t stand about Giambi being the #5 hitter is that he stinks w/ RISP just like our #4 hitter who won the game yesterday but even worse. The only reason I can find for Giambi batting 5th is that the Yankees want to be able to drive pitchers pitch count up early. Now here’s what gets me batters are habit hitters they follow someone’s lead why not bat Giambi #6 so that the #7 Robi can see more pitches or pick up Giambi’s habit ?

    I mean RISP Nady is the guy that can get the hit more than not. IDK maybe it’s just me.

  63. BYE GIRARDI! August 13th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Everytime I see Betemit at SS I wonder why would we trade Alberto Gonzales…

  64. Jim August 13th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    ……I heard on ESPN this morning Arods HR was his first go adead hit in the 7th inning or late all year, if true WOW that is bad.

    Not defending him, because he hasn’t been good with RISP, but you can make stats sound anyway you want them to and we know how ESPN is. I’d like to hear the other half of the equation…. how many opportunities has he had….. if the Yanks are losing 3 to 1 and he comes up with no one on, well he can’t very well put them ahead.

  65. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    now is as good a time as any, with the Royals coming to town, to rip off 3-4-5-6 in a row going into next week.

    It was like pulling teeth to even get one win last night, and you think this team can go on an extended winning streak?

    Based on what?

    Certainly not on what we’ve seen on the field.

  66. TurnTwo August 13th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    “Ummm Turn Two. Im in the West Coast.”

    well, then you fall under my “it’s 12 noon somewhere” policy. you’re still good to go in my book.

  67. Word ? August 13th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Name the Top 5 players on the actie roster who shoudn’t come back.

  68. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    COME BACK KRAZY KYLE, ALL IS FORGIVEN: The relievers on the road trip: 26.1 innings, 32 hits (6 HR), 12 walks, 25 earned runs. They’re 1-3 with an 8.54 ERA.

    nevermind that Farnsworth has a 6.35 ERA in 5.7 IP and has given up 3 HRs since being traded.

  69. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Melky
    Abreu
    Melky
    Buttemit
    Melky

  70. Adam August 13th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    I am ready to rant, so I apologize in advance….

    1) PLAY DAMON EVERYDAY.

    2) BENCH MELKY. I DONT CARE IF THE DEFENSE STRUGGLES AND THE OF IS ABREU, NADY AND DAMON. MELKY FLAT OUT STINKS. FACE IT.

    3) ABREU, PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO STEAL BASES, YOUR DAYS OF 3O+ SB’S IS OVER

    4) BOBBY MEACHAM HAS GOT TO GO. WE NEED A MORE EXPERIENCED 3B COACH.

    5) GIRARDI-PLEASE DONT MAKE EXCUSES. WHEN YOU BENCH DAMON AND GET ALL SURLY OR TRY TO JUSTIFY IT, YOU JUST COME OFF LIKE AN IDIOT

    6) YEAH, NO SANTANA, WE DID NOT WANT TO GIVE UP THE PROSPECTS OR PAY THE $$$. I GET IT. THESE “UNTOUCHABLES”, I.E. MELKY, HUGHES, JOBA, KENNEDY, ETC. REMIND ME OF THE DAYS WHEN THE YANKS WOULDN’T DEAL HENSLEY MEULENS BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO BE THE NEXT BIG THING. IF YOU CAN GET QUALITY AFFORDABLE EXPERIENCED PLAYERS FOR MINOR LEAGUERS, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO GET WHAT YOU CAN. KENNEDY IS WORTH CLOSE TO ZERO.

    7) REALIZE GIVING POSADA A MULTI-YEAR DEAL WAS A MISTAKE. NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A GUY WHO CANNOT CATCH AND YET WE ARE PAYING HIM BIGTIME $$$$.

    8) JETER JUST ISN’T AS GOOD AS HE USED TO BE AND YOU CANNOT EXPECT .320 13 HRS, 80 RBIS, AND 110+ RUNS. I LOVE THE GUY AND HE HAS BEEN AMAZING, BUT….

    9) I AM SICK OF HAVING A $200+ MILLION PAYROLL AND HAVING GUYS LIKE CHRISTIAN, MOLINA, SEXSON, BETEMIT PINCH HIT. WE NEED A BETTER BENCH, ESPECIALLY WHEN HE HAVE ONE OF THE OLDEST TEAMS IN MLB.

    10) ITS VERY SAD TO ME THAT IN THE LAST YEAR OF THE STADIUM, WE WILL BE HOSTING NO PLAYOFF GAME (LIKELY).

    11) INJURIES ARE NOT AN EXCUSE.

    SORRY TO VENT AND SORRY FOR ALL CAPS, BUT I AM A HUGE HUGE HUGE FAN AND SAY THINGS THEY WAS THEY ARE. I AM VERY UPSET AT HOW THIS YEAR IS TURNING OUT.

  71. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    “August 13th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
    Everytime I see Betemit at SS I wonder why would we trade Alberto Gonzales…”

    ditto….

  72. mel August 13th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Let’s start with a 2-game winning streak.

    It’s really tough when you realize that you now need a 5 game win streak to hit your season high 13 games over .500.

    But, we’ve been in every game we lost on this trip. Except the Texas blowout? So, it’s not impossible to get some wins. Let’s see how Boston and Tampa do. They’ve faded down the stretch in the past and the Yankees typically finish strong.

    There’s too much season left to be talking about ’09. Yeah, I’m talking to you, Mr. Steinbrenner.

  73. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    hmmm –

    How dare you introduce facts into this discussion! We try to serve our angst hot here on the blog.

  74. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Giambi,Abreu,Pettitte(sign Moose instead),Matsui(too many dh)and Pavano.

  75. Andrew August 13th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    “Name the Top 5 players on the actie roster who shoudn’t come back.”

    1. Jason Giambi
    2. Bobby Abreu
    3. Wilson Betemit
    4. Richie Sexson
    5. Ivan Rodriguez

  76. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Sexson
    Betemit
    Traber
    Giambi
    Abreu

  77. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    “I’d like to hear the other half of the equation…. how many opportunities has he had”

    one example i can think of off the top of my head was earlier in the year against KC.

    came up with a man on and down 2-0, he jacked one out to tie the game.

    that stat doesn’t capture that.

  78. vin August 13th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    “Name the Top 5 players on the actie roster who shoudn’t come back.”

    IROD
    Sexson
    Giambi
    Abreu
    Ponson

  79. Sal August 13th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Melky
    Mr.Cabrera
    Giambi
    The Melk Man
    && Melky.

  80. kill.schill(ing) August 13th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    I don’t understand why Girardi isn’t resting Nady or A-Rod today?

    Slowey is tough right-hander and they’ve “played a lot lately.”

  81. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Let’s hope they can series first before talking about the playoffs.

    They haven’t won a series in over two weeks. The Rays can fall off the map but, if the Yankees don’t win their games, it won’t matter. They won’t be going to the playoffs.

    I notice some folks are upset about Hank’s comments. I don’t know why folks take what he says so literally. As if what he says has any bearing as to whether or not they win or lose games. It doesn’t.

    The thrust of his comments were intended to take the heat off Girardi because Hank can read. He is already reading the drumbeat about the managerial “problems”.

    He pointed out, correctly I might add, that injuries have significantly impacted the team this year. That’s not an excuse. That’s an undeniable fact.

    Now, should they be playing better? I think they should be hitting better. Its pretty inexcusable, despite the injuries, they should be such a consistently poor hitting team in game changing situations.

    Pitching? I may be in the minority on this but, I happen to they have overachieved BIGTIME with their pitching this year.

    Who had Mike Mussina at 15 wins by August 12 in the pool going into the season?

    Who had Mariano with ONE blown save by August 12?

    Who predicted Hughes and Kennedy would be winless for the season on August 12?

    Who correctly predicted Wang would miss the rest of the season from June on?

    Who correctly predicted Jose Veras and Edwar Ramirez would become solid options in the bullpen this year?

    Who correctly predicted Dan Giese would pitch some important innings for this team this season and do quite well?

    Who had Sidney Ponson as the #3 starter by August 12?

    Some kill Girardi for every move he makes in here. Some criticisms (like not playing Damon Monday night) are legitimate. Some are nonsensical and some are in between the two extremes. However, you also have to give him props (along with Dave Eiland) for the work he has done with the pitching staff and making it much more representative than we could have ever envisioned, given what’s transpired this year.

    In essence, that’s Hank’s point in talking about the team.

    In terms of him predicting next year, call me crazy but, I’d much rather have an owner of my favorite team tip off (to CC’s agent) he is will to do whatever it takes to “win it all” next year, than talk about how they are “limited” in what they can do.

    If you live in South Florida, and see how the Marlins run their franchise, you will know what I am talking about.

  82. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    “nevermind that Farnsworth has a 6.35 ERA in 5.7 IP and has given up 3 HRs since being traded.”

    hmmm,
    Maybe he is talking about needed someone for mop up work.

  83. Laura - I hate road games! August 13th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Giambi and Pavano need to go. Abreu should stay, but only on a short contract. I’d keep Petitte and Moose. I most certainly would keep Matsui. His absence is being felt throughout the lineup. Clearly, we need him.

  84. TurnTwo August 13th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    “COME BACK KRAZY KYLE, ALL IS FORGIVEN: The relievers on the road trip: 26.1 innings, 32 hits (6 HR), 12 walks, 25 earned runs. They’re 1-3 with an 8.54 ERA.

    nevermind that Farnsworth has a 6.35 ERA in 5.7 IP and has given up 3 HRs since being traded.”

    not for nothing, and i could be wrong, but i think Pete was just having a little fun with the recent bullpen woes. everyone knows the bullpen is just fine without him here.

  85. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Matsui and Pavano aren’t on the active roster…

    I don’t know that I’d take Moose over Pettitte. I’d probably sign them both to a 1 year deal. Which Andy would do, not sure about Moose. I wouldn’t give Moose a 2 or 3 year deal though. Maybe 1 with team option for second year.

  86. Tank August 13th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    New Bullpen configuration:

    Rivera – Closer
    Veras – SU man
    Edwar – 7th inning/fireman (middle of inning, runners on)
    Robertson/Bruney – 5th-7th inning flexible; 1+ innings; mop up
    Marte – lefty-lefty guy only; mop up guy (Hawkins role)
    Giese/Rasner – Long man (starter lasts less than 5)

  87. mel August 13th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Top 5 (realistically)

    Giambi
    Betemit
    Marte
    Melky
    Rasner

    Sure you don’t want a Top 10?

  88. #9 August 13th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    “Giambi and Pavano need to go.”

    Pavano has been gone 4 years now.

  89. Johnathan August 13th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    1. Jason Giambi
    2. Bobby Abreu
    3. Wilson Betemit
    4. Richie Sexson
    5. Ivan Rodriguez

  90. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    “Name the Top 5 players on the active roster who shoudn’t come back.”

    Hmmm.

    Well I know I want Bobby Abreu back.

  91. kill.schill(ing) August 13th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    The Bobby I’d discard is not Abreu, provided he’d return on a short-term contract at Damon and Matsui’s salary.

    As far as I’m concerned, he’s the second-best corner outfield option for next year. Until A-Jax is ready to assume CF, the Yankees need seriously to consider moving Damon into CF next year and using Nady and Abreu in the corners. BTW, if the Yankees can’t improve at 1B via free-agency, Nady also can play first base, although the Yankees would waste his arm.

    The Bobby the Yankee need to dispose of is the Bobby who played short-stop for them in the 80′s and whose incompetence haunts them still.

  92. mel August 13th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Oooh. Forgot about Bruney.

    Who goes down when Hughes comes up?

  93. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    not for nothing, and i could be wrong, but i think Pete was just having a little fun with the recent bullpen woes. everyone knows the bullpen is just fine without him here.

    oh yeah, i know.

    wasn’t trying to pull a “gotcha” on Pete. just pointing out that Farnsworth wouldn’t really be helping much either.

  94. kill.schill(ing) August 13th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    Traber.

  95. doslobo38 August 13th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Man there are a lot of Abreu haters here…and I dont think he deserves it. He has been a workhorse producer for the team all season, just look at his offensive numbers (most hits, most rbi’s, most doubles, most assists) since the all star break he is hitting over .345 for BA and over .406 in OBP. The man produces so sure get rid of him!

  96. #9 August 13th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    “5. Ivan Rodriguez”

    So – we’re sure that Posada will be able to catch and throw out base runners next year?

  97. Chris August 13th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Unless you want him ending the season on the DL, there is no way that Damon should play every day.

  98. mel August 13th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    What are we so far on the trip? 3-6?

    This is from mlb.com:

    Yankees’ bullpen is 1-3 with a 8.54 ERA in 26 1/3 innings, allowing 32 hits, six homers and 12 walks in nine games.

    Did the bullpen forget how to pitch once the calendar flipped pages?

  99. nick August 13th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    2 of A Rod’s hits were doubles Pete, just thought I’d give the correction.

  100. CB August 13th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Abreu is on a fairly steep decline. His defense completely wipes out any value his bat provides.

    He projects to be 2 runs worse than a league average right fielder next year overall (defense and offense). Two runs worse than average.

    “Trading” Abreu for two draft picks over the winter would be selling relatively high on him. That’s what they need to do, IMO.

  101. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Awesome. Jason Giambi is batting cleanup. I can see Joe really wants this team to win today.

  102. TurnTwo August 13th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Marte is not a mop-up guy, nor should he be relegated to just to a situational lefty role. and he shouldnt be going anywhere after the season.

    top 5 players i think could be gone are (in order):

    1. Abreu
    2. Giambi
    3. Cano
    4. Melky
    5. Matsui

    i dont consider Sexson or IRod, because they were just rentals in the first place.

    I think Pettitte and Moose are almost assured to get one year contract offers they’ll both accept.

    i wouldnt say Melky’s definately gone, bc he can still be useful off the bench, and to spell Damon once and a while. and without a real CF option right now, who knows who the everyday CF will be in the Bronx next year just yet.

    i think if there is an outside chance the Yankees could get back something for Matsui, they’d think about moving him. he’s really just a DH now, albeit a good option and offensive weapon to have, but with Damon and Posada lined up to use DH ABs next year, they could serve themselves well by not locking up the DH spot to just one player.

    i used to think Damon would be a prime candidate to move this offseason, with the offensive season he’s having, but i think he’s depended upon too much by this lineup to be up at the top, so he’ll play his contract out, and move on from there.

  103. PAT M August 13th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    The pitching has been the strength to the club this season, even with all the loss of Wang, and the unreasonable expectations ( I’m guilty ) of Hughes and Kennedy….Had the offense not slipped to the tune of 200 runs they very well could be leading the division and not looking back…..I still maintain that the loss of Matsui is thge singular most devasting loss for the team this season….His return to the DH , and with Hughes and Joba returning in a week or two, they have the components to make their run for October…..I fully expect this to happen…The Stadium will not be dark come October…..

  104. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    CB, wasn’t Abreu’s defense much better earlier in the year? I remember a conversation we had where you were pointing out how many balls he gets to compared to other outfielders… What happened that he’s gone from that to 2 runs worse than league average so quickly?

  105. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    I know I am in the minority on Abreu but I still feel he should be brought back.

  106. jennifer August 13th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Read this on the mlb.com blog

    Things you can only do in a dome: Before the third inning, the Twins rolled a pickup truck to the right field foul line. A fan was allowed to try and throw baseballs from the upper deck into the back of the truck bed to win a trip to Spring Training ’09. He came close, but a funny thing happens when you toss a baseball from a few stories up onto a truck — it bounces, a lot. Better luck next time.

    Um isn’t also a little dangerous. Couldn’t it fall on someone in a lower deck?

  107. mel August 13th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Turn Two,

    I agree with everything but the Matsui argument.

    I just can’t see the Yankees moving him. Just can’t see it.

    And I’ve said over and over, when he’s healthy he’s been our most consistent player other than A-rod.

  108. al arodien August 13th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    1. Jason Giambi
    2. melkey cebrera
    3. Wilson Betemit
    4. Richie Sexson
    5. Ivan Rodriguez

  109. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    mel,

    All bullpen go through rough stretches. The Yankees bullpen rough stretch coincidences with several short inning starts in a row from the starters. Guys get overused and that’s when you get into trouble.

    If the starters can string together several 7+ inning starts in a row, they can avoid extra inning games, and this team actually hits well enough for consecutive days to get a couple of blowout wins, the bullpen can get back on a regular rotation.

    When you are struggling and your starters aren’t going too deep into games, bullpens get out of sorts. That’s what happened to the Yankees on this roadtrip.

    For all the numbers crunching we do on the blog, the game still boils down to starting pitching. You get guys that can go deep into games and pitch well, its amazing how “good” your bullpen and your team looks.

  110. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Awesome. Jason Giambi is batting cleanup. I can see Joe really wants this team to win today.

    this is such an unbelievably stupid comment.

    it makes sense on no level.

    seriously, give it up with the idiotic Girardi bashing.

    stick to criticizing him when it’s actually warranted. the other night, it was warranted.

    given that Jeter’s out, the batting order today is PERFECT.

  111. retroclutch August 13th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    1. Bobby Abreu
    2. Ivan Rodriguez
    3. Jason Giambi
    4. Bobby Mecham
    5. Richie Sexson

  112. TurnTwo August 13th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    “And I’ve said over and over, when he’s healthy he’s been our most consistent player other than A-rod.”

    yeah, i dont disagree. and he’s only got one year left, so i think they can let him play out his contract and move on after 2009.

    but if they can get younger and more athletic, or get a big time arm for his services (especially in this FA OF market which is awful), im just saying it wouldnt surprise me.

  113. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Awesome. Jason Giambi is batting cleanup. I can see Joe really wants this team to win today.

    you know, given the amount of negativity on this blog, i just assumed you were being sarcastic.

    if you weren’t, i completely take everything back and apologize.

  114. 86w183 August 13th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Yanks had a shot in every game they lost on this trip. the two one-sided losses to the Angels were 10-5 and 11-4. They were 6-5 in the 7th in the first one and tied at 3 after 7 innings in the other.

    It’s the little things that have this team wallowing in mediocrity… RISP is the main culprit on offense and allowing opponents a high RISP on the mound.

    Word?— I hate to limit it to five who wont be back, but I’ll go with Giambi, Sexson, Pudge, Christian and Betemit.

  115. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Gayle made an excellent point in the other thread about Abreu’s defense. She said that she (correctly) noticed how many balls drop in front of him in RF.

    Its hard to tell if those are balls that should be caught by watching on TV.

    I spent most of the July home schedule at the stadium. I was shocked at how many catchable balls dropped in front of him.

    In a couple of starts, I noticed Moose and Andy weren’t happy about it either. They shot several nasty looks to RF after a few particularly gruesome plays out there.

    For whatever reason, he seems to have problems reading the ball off the bat. He gets some very bad jumps on balls and balls drop in RF that have no business dropping in the OF.

    Kind of like Bernie at the end of his career. Balls dropped in CF that Bernie had in his hip pocket a year or two earlier. The same thing has happened to Abreu this year.

    Its not like he’s not trying. He’s just not the OF he was in the past.

  116. kill.schill(ing) August 13th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    And the replacement for the Yankees three-hitter next year if they let Abreu leave would be whom, exactly?

    All of you who want to dispose of Abreu and Giambi should ask yourselves how the Yankees will replace their bats at what has become an already deficient offense.

    And if you think the Yankees are going to sign both Sabathia AND Teixiera, a Boras client, asking for $200+ million, you’re indulging in wishful thinking.

    Letting Abreu and Giambi go means the Yankees will lose two of their most consistently productive bats all season at 6.0 and 8.0 RC/G and 15.5 Win shares and 11 win shares, respectively,

  117. mel August 13th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    SJ44,

    Yes, I suddenly realize that. And you can’t totally dismiss the subtraction of Farnsworth (yes, he was worth some holds) and the addition of Bruney (my renewed unfavorite) and Marte (who’s making the transition with mixed results).

    Did you see my Phil Coke question from the last thread? Could Coke be seeing some time up in the Bronx since Melancon’s every pitch is being counted?

    And who goes down when Hughes comes up?

  118. PBL August 13th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I’d love to see giambi and abreu go and then trade kennedy plus fringe prospects for a rf or 1b and put nady at the other position. and for the record, I’m generally against trading away our young pitching, but I think this would make us a better team.

  119. jennifer August 13th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I am compelled to answer back to something I saw written. Where I can I find quickly Mo’s blown saves and who’s games we blew?

    Someone stated that Mo has blown more of Mikes games than any other Yankee starter since 2001.

    1. reason might be cause he is the only pitcher here since 01′. But I am just curious to see who’s games he blew in the 60.

  120. mel August 13th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    TurnTwo,

    They’ll find other ways to get younger and more athletic. I think that the Yankees consider him a true Yankee and he won’t be traded. I don’t think the Japanese advertisers are willing to support Igawa. Not yet, anyway. :)

  121. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    Jason Giambi was in a good mood given the early hour and was excited about playing first base.

    He’s probably still drunk.

  122. Betsy August 13th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    Chris NY, you posted in the previous thread about being in Pawtucket last night. It sounds like you thought Phil looked very good. Was he really working mostly on his change instead of throwing the FB a lot? Some posters on another website are getting rather frustrated that Phil didn’t have a particularly good ball to strike ratio and that he had a tough time putting hitters away. What did you think?

    SJ44, why do you think that Phil is not part of the Yankees plans next year? IMO, if he pitches decently when he comes back up, he’s here to stay. I don’t expect the Yankees to keep him in AAA . I think they believe he’s now healthy and ready to show glimpses of the pitcher they expect him to be.

  123. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    “this is such an unbelievably stupid comment.

    it makes sense on no level.

    seriously, give it up with the idiotic Girardi bashing.

    stick to criticizing him when it’s actually warranted. the other night, it was warranted.

    given that Jeter’s out, the batting order today is PERFECT.”

    No I’m sorry. You’re right.

    It’s an absolutley brilliant move to have a guy who’s batting worse than Arod with runners in scoring position to bat clean up.

  124. PBL August 13th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    I’d love to see giambi and abreu go and then trade kennedy plus fringe prospects for a rf or 1b and put nady at the other position. and for the record, I’m generally against trading away our young pitching, but I think this would make us a better team without really sacrificing anything for the future (I don’t see where kennedy adds a lot of value with Wang, Joba, maybe CC, maybe Moose, Hughes, Brackman, Betances, Horne, Marquez, etc)

  125. pat August 13th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    With Jeter out, I wouldn’t mind if Girardi had just slid the righty’s up.

    Damon
    A-Rod
    Abreu
    Nady

  126. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Meanwhile Nady is hitting .327 with runners in scoring position.

    Brilliant move.

  127. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Is it strange that I know Jason Giambi has this great personality, etc… yet I just CANNOT imagine him saying “The Big G”? Anyone else having this issue?

  128. Guiseppe Franco August 13th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    I would also agree with TurnTwo on the players who need to go for the exception of Matsui.

    Not sure how much value the Yanks would get in return for a guy with really bad knees.

    He and Damon will have to go after 2009, though. That’s for damn sure.

  129. mel August 13th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Kill,

    Nady could replace Abreu in the #3.

    Ideally:

    Damon
    Jeter
    Nady
    Alex
    Teixeira
    Matsui
    Posada
    Cano
    Rent-a-Center-Fielder

    But I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing back Bobby. 1-year DH type of deal.

  130. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    And the replacement for the Yankees three-hitter next year if they let Abreu leave would be whom, exactly?

    i am not saying this will happen, but you know, there will be severak impact bats available this winter.

    Burrell
    Dunn
    Teixeira
    Manny

    maybe Matt Holliday will be available.

    i’m not anti-Abreu, but this makes it sound like there are NO other options.

    if the money was similar (and it might be for everyone except Teixiera) i’d rather get younger.

    i would rather give 3-4 years to Burrell than Abreu, while collecting 2 picks.

    now, if Abreu was open to a short contract, that would be a different story. but i think he’s played well enough this season to get at least 3 years from someone.

    i’d pass, i think.

  131. Bronx Bard August 13th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    A Melky sonnet

    2006
    The dawn twas a bit rough, a Trot fly did fall
    run round milk man run, in circles did he
    scram back to ohio, to shag many more balls
    laugh did the fans emphatic, almost to pee
    2007
    Godzilla man lay flat with wrist mangled in pain
    come hither to Melk man, with skills more sound
    a bomb robbed from ramirez, so very INSANE!
    and the milk arm strike fear from runner abound
    2008
    the power illusion of spring,a la Spencer looked he
    But as milk often sours, our CF falleth from grace
    No player of month beckon/ No All Star game glee
    The melk man appeareth to fall flat on chub face

    The winds reek of change, the season quite done
    do the melk man returneth, or do leche they shun

  132. CB August 13th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    “wasn’t Abreu’s defense much better earlier in the year? I remember a conversation we had where you were pointing out how many balls he gets to compared to other outfielders…”

    Chris,

    The first month or so of the season Abreu at least statistically was fine on defense – he was basically performing close to what he did last year and over his recent career.

    Now that looks like an aberration related the limited number of chances/ small sample issues that always affect the beginning of any season.

    I’m honestly amazed at how he’s playing in the field. I can’t remember a player fall apart so quickly on defense while not being injured (I assumed last year Jeter was so bad defensively because of his knee).

    I was mostly basing my assessment of his defense based on what he did last year and making a reasonable estimate for how he might decline as a player one year older. His defense was fine last year – and its been fine over his entire career. It’s possible this year is an aberration – but as the season’s gone on he’s looked worse and worse. This happens with older players some times – one of their skills just collapses (see jason varitek’s bat speed). I didn’t want to jump to any snap conclusions based on a few instances of him not wanting to run into the wall, etc. to start the season.

    But so far this season it looks like Abreu’s been the worst defensive player in the AL this year. He’s truly been that bad. As of this week he’s been 20 runs worse than an average right fielder this year. Baseball think factory has been doing a nice ongoing analysis of defense based on zone rating. Here’s what they had to say about Abreu:

    “Bobby Abreu (-20) was a good fielder not that long ago. Old age is hell. He’s also seeing more chances than average, so that isn’t helping at all. Abreu’s defense is the worst in the AL. That’s not going to get the Yankees to the post-season. ”

    And:

    “So there you have it. These are two-thirds of a season, so they are still a little small on the sample size, and some are really low. Try not to focus on players with few innings or chances. Now, Abreu’s stinkitude is real, so don’t discount that either. ”

    Again – this is astonishing that he could be so bad so quickly. But the numbers are really backed up with what we’ve seen over time – he’s looked awful in the field this year. It’s really an amazing decline.

  133. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Speaking of guys going deep into games… With all the innings that CC Sabathia pitches, not just this year but last year too, is it a concern or an asset? Are we to be impressed he can handle such a big workload, or worried that they’re wearing out his arm?

    Or both….?

  134. TurnTwo August 13th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    “And the replacement for the Yankees three-hitter next year if they let Abreu leave would be whom, exactly?”

    hmm, well you could go Damon, Jeter, Arod, Matsui, Nady, Posada.

    or Damon, Jeter, Nady, Arod, Matsui, Posada.

    or Damon, Jeter, ARod, Teixeira, Nady, Matsui.

    the future of the yankees organization does not hinge on bringing back Abreu bc he’s the current #3 hitter.

    people couldnt imagine where the 200 innings and 17 wins that Randy Johnson pitched in 2006 were going to come from for 2007. who was going to fill those shoes?!?!?

    magically, someone took those innings, and the yankees managed to move on just fine.

  135. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    KS,

    You (teams) can’t get attached to 35 and over players at the end of their contracts in today’s baseball. Teams are finding that out the hard way this year. Especially when their skills have waned. As is the case with both Abreu and Giambi.

    Who takes their place? They have several options. If they keep Cano, he will have a larger role in the offense. Meaning, he will hit either 3rd or 5th next year.

    If he is as a good hitter and advertised, there is no reason why he can’t handle additional responsibility in the lineup.

    They can go into the trade market and get a player or two.

    They can move Matsui up in the order. They have options.

    For example, if they kept Damon, Matsui and Cano, you could see a batting order such as:

    Damon
    Jeter
    Matsui
    Arod
    Cano
    Nady
    Posada
    Whomever plays first
    Austin Jackson or somebody else in CF

    Not exactly a chopped liver lineup. If they get a good glove at first, it would be a markedly better defensive lineup than they have now.

    They don’t need to have all the answers now for next year. They need to have options. By letting Abreu and Giambi go, they will have numerous options to replace them.

    They may not be “names” but, if they are productive players, and help the team win (and are younger) that’s all you can ask for.

  136. BYE GIRARDI! August 13th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    1.GIRARDI
    2.MEACHAM
    3.BETEMIT
    4.SEXSON
    5.GIAMBI

  137. kill.schill(ing) August 13th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Mel, I’m not as sold on Nady as this blog seems to be. One prolific year does not a career make.

    Even still, I don’t care for Nady’s plate discipline (3.5 vs. Abreu’s 4.3 P/PA) or the 3 walks he’s had in 61 ABs as a Yankee (25 in 327 for the Pirates), or his .340 career OBA.

    Nady impresses me as a very good six hitter; someone akin to Mike Lowell in Boston’s lineup.

    The hitter in front of A-Rod needs to see a lot of pitches and get on base more often.

  138. mel August 13th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Bronx Bard,

    Sorry, no happy ending for the Melkman.

    He’s done something to earn a spot in Girardi’s doghouse. Probably along the lines of Kennedy. They’ve given CF back to Johnny “Top-Ramen” Damon. I don’t think that’s because of Melky’s offense.

  139. skeptic August 13th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    i have to give big props to astats for a huge, clutch homer last night (and the would-be single that became an out b/c abreu was stealing) hoping arod’s about to light up and carry the offense for a while

    if you play damon every day you are gonna get alot less out of him down the stretch.

  140. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    Abreu has always been a guy who has shown ability to get to balls sometimes, and a seeming lack of desire to others… At least that has sometimes appeared to be the case. I’m not discounting the age factor, that is probably the cause. But, could it also be he just doesn’t feel like running down balls lately and the “lazy” rep he had in Philly was more than just a reputation?

    Either way, Nady in right next year……

  141. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    It’s an absolutley brilliant move to have a guy who’s batting worse than Arod with runners in scoring position to bat clean up.

    remember a few weeks ago when we were talking about people who have no idea how to use statistics?

    congrats, you are one of them.

    there is a difference between using statistics to measure what HAS happened and what WILL happen.

    Giambi’s 2008 numbers with RISP are important to note because it explains why the team has struggled.

    it isn’t really enough of a sample to say that is how he WILL continue to hit with RISP. same goes for Nady.

    but if you DID want to do that:

    Giambi has a .358 OBP with RISP.

    he’s getting on base. a lot.

    which is good to have IN FRONT of the guy with the really high batting average with RISP.

    gee, that was hard.

    you are clueless.

  142. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    “He’s probably still drunk.”

    Damn bob. Not everyone has to be drunk to be happy/possitive. You heard of drugs? Or a natural high?

  143. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Betsy,

    Coke may get called up on Sept 1 when rosters expand.

    As far as Hughes for next year? He will still be on an innings limit (as will Joba) and that may affect how much he pitches in NY in 2009 more than anything else.

    Regardless of how he pitches in Sept., I don’t think he has a rotation spot penciled in for himself for next season.

    Especially true if they sign CC and both Moose and Andy are back.

    Personally, I hope the Yankees load up the truck and pay CC whatever he wants. I also want both Andy and Moose back next year.

    You can never have too much pitching and this team is going to need some guys to eat innings next season.

    If not, the bullpen will be cooked by June.

    If the scenario I want comes true, Phil will still have plenty of chances to pitch in NY (if he pitches well) next year.

    As we see this year, guys get hurt, are ineffective and stuff just happens to where you always need more than 5 good starters going into a season.

    Chris,

    I’m not worried about Sabathia’s workload because its not much different than it was last year. He’s not getting abused in Milwaukee.

  144. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    I like the idea of Matsui hitting in the 3-hole. He doesn’t have the same speed that Abreu does (despite the caught-stealings, Abreu does get infield hits) but Godzilla sees a lot of pitches and has been a great situational hitter throughout his days as a Yankee.

    A lot of people who are stacking Jeter, Nady and A-Rod are ignoring the fact that it opens up the team against RHP’s. Not a great move imo.

  145. mel August 13th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    kill,

    I can see your concerns. But I love the 21 hits (11 XBH). Let’s put it this way. Having Nady bat in front of Alex actually takes pressure off of Alex!

  146. CB August 13th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    “But, could it also be he just doesn’t feel like running down balls lately and the “lazy” rep he had in Philly was more than just a reputation?”

    Fans jump all over this notion of a player being lazy. It’s just not true. Abreu is not lazy.

    This year he seems to have lost a lot of range. That’s it. It happens with older players. And it very well could be happening with him.

    He’s been an above average fielder his entire career. You don’t do that by being “lazy.”

  147. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    He’s done something to earn a spot in Girardi’s doghouse.

    something = play terribly for 3 months straight

  148. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    So I still bring Abreu back. But here’s another way to look at it -

    In terms of the players who are absolutely and realistically moveable pieces (in other words Jeter, Arod, Jorge are not going anywhere), who are the top 5 that you absolutely DO want back next season?

    1. Mussina
    2. Abreu
    3. Nady
    4. Veras
    5. Molina

  149. kill.schill(ing) August 13th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    Sorry, SJ44, I don’t have your faith that Cano can handle the responsibility of hitting 3 or 5th in the lineup. Not at this juncture in his career. He exercises zero plate discipline and he never walks.

    And for my money, Matsui, has become an albatross. He has the knees of a 40 yr old man. He can’t play the outfield anymore. If you think Abreu is bad, remember what Matsui was like in the field. He was terrifying. Matsui, accordingly, affords the Yankees little flexibility because he ONLY can DH.

    I’m not attached to either Giambi or Abreu (by the way is no older than Damon, Matsui, or Jeter, for that matter.)

    To the contrary, I just think it makes sense rationally to re-sign Abreu to a two year a contract and to explore the prospect of re-signing Giambi for one year. Until the Yankees can promote players from within to assume their offensive production, each still strikes me as the best option in their respective positions.

  150. Jordan August 13th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Did anyone watch Yankee highlights from yankees.com (from MLB.com)? They had the Twins TV announcers doing the calls, and it really showed me something remarkable.
    For all the Yankee highlights (A-Rod, Nady HRs…), the announcer spoke in a disappointed monotone. It was like he was announcing the death of the president or something. I wondered if this was just the way that this guy spoke. Then I heard his call for Delmon Young’s 3-run HR, and he was literally screaming at the top of his lungs.

    My point is, I’ve heard a lot of people absolutely RIP on the Yanks TV and especially radio announcers, for being bad, annoying, for being blatant home-ers… But if you ever watch Michael Kay announce an opposing team’s HR- he’ll show almost as much excitement as for a Yankees HR. Regardless of who gets the big hit, it is still important for either team, and we should appreciate that we have announcers that truly appreciate the game, and don’t just silently mope when the opposing team comes through.

    So, as we have less and less to root for this season as our team makes its way to the dumps, let’s at least give our broadcasters a bit of a break, and appreciate some of the good things they do.

  151. mel August 13th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Oh, yeah. The L-R-L thing. I hate it. Being chained to that logic sacrifices the best possible lineups.

    I will argue that all 3 hit righties very well.

  152. gayle August 13th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Is anyone else watching the Olympic baseball on MSNBC.Good game so far but can someone please tell them that having a camera shoot from behind the plate where it is blurry beacuse of the netting or fence is totally lame.

  153. skeptic August 13th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    cb

    “Fans jump all over this notion of a player being lazy. It’s just not true.”

    yesterday you explained how there are no dumb players

    today you say there are no lazy players.

    aren’t these guys human?

  154. Bunny August 13th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    I see my Sox held on last night. How come it would have been a good win for Texas as some of you stated but it was not a good win for the Sox? Are you guys biased?
    Anyway Yanks are going down today, after all you can’t win with Rasner pitching. LOL

  155. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    “I’m not worried about Sabathia’s workload because its not much different than it was last year. He’s not getting abused in Milwaukee.”

    Last year he was useless in the playoffs and he struggled similarly in April ’08. That was all about the innings load IMO.

  156. PBL August 13th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    what was marte up to at 905?

  157. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Fair enough, CB.

    SJ, that’s my question though. With 241 + playoffs last year, and on his way to well over 200 this year… Do you think we should be impressed and expect he can handle 200+ every year.. or worried what 2 consecutive years of 220, 230+ innings might do to his arm?

    Is what you’re saying, the fact that he did it last year, and is doing it again this year, indicates his body can handle it?

  158. Bronx Jeers August 13th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Last night Abreu reminded me of Babe Ruth running around in RF. It was a nice throw from his tuckus though.

  159. Travis August 13th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    From a story by John Heyman at cnnsi.com:

    It’s clear what consumes Cashman now. When it is suggested that no one could have foreseen all the injuries and no victories from touted rookie pitchers Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy, Cashman said, “That has nothing to do with it. It’s our … offense. We can’t hit with runners in scoring position.”

  160. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Oh, yeah. The L-R-L thing. I hate it. Being chained to that logic sacrifices the best possible lineups.

    the “best possible” lineup really depends on WHO is in the lineup, not WHERE they are in the lineup.

    studies have shown that as long as you generally put your better hitters near the top and your worst hitters near the bottom, the actual order has VERY little impact on runs scored.

    sometimes i think if this very basic idea were accepted, this blog with be 1000 X’s better.

    the amount of time bitching about the batting order could be much better spent.

    like on bitching about Bobby Meacham.

  161. Bunny August 13th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    I’m running a special at the chinchilla ranch today. 2 for 1 special at the doublewide, Come on down!

  162. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Bunny:

    Were you medicated as the Rangers turned a 12-2 deficit to a 16-14 lead? Somehow you were not able to post.

    No such thing as a bad win but there is such a thing as a poster who lacks in testicular fortitude. You’d be one of those.

  163. jennifer August 13th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    I HATE JOHN STERLING!! Made me think it was a two run homer!!!

  164. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    oh snap Jason got a hit w/ RISP 8O

  165. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Every single time I get on Giambi.

    He should pay me to hate him.

  166. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Pete has said in the past that if loser trolls show up just to be act stupid, he will block them from posting.

    Hopefully BUNNY will post a few more times today because I will immediately email Pete. The last thing we need is trailer park Sux fan interference with our game blogs.

  167. PAT M August 13th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Bobby Arbreu defensely is on the back 9 of his career…Hole 15 I’d guess…

  168. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Sterling blew the call again – he went into his HR call.

    :(

  169. skeptic August 13th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    “studies say” so you cant dispute it…..

  170. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    how did that happen ?

  171. mel August 13th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Whoo Hoo. I think that just broke some kind of scoreless first inning streak for Slowey.

  172. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Damn!! Giambi made hmmm look good. Brilliant!!

  173. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    ““studies say” so you cant dispute it…..”

    feel free to dispute it.

    make up a study and back up your argument.

    in the absence of anything more than your opinion, i’ll stick to the “studies”.

  174. skeptic August 13th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    wow, pat your observation that a 37 y/o outfielder is on the back end of his career is really insightful, thanks for that!

  175. Rishi August 13th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    wow – how quickly all the commentary on the 3-4 hitters comes into play

  176. Bunny August 13th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    I told you I had clients knocking at my door, A girls got to do what a girls got to do, right Trish?

  177. pat August 13th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    “Made me think it was a two run homer!!!”

    The baggie fools him everytime.

  178. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    washbourn cleared waivers where did he go?

  179. CB August 13th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    “aren’t these guys human?”

    No that’s not what I’m saying. Of course there are some “lazy” players and there are some “dumb” players.

    My point is this – the evidence that people often use to draw the inference that a player is “dumb” or “lazy” often does not support drawing that kind of extreme conclusion.

    People were saying yesterday Kemp is a “dumb” player based on the fact that he makes mistakes.

    I’m not disputing Kemp makes mistakes – he does. All of the time.

    But the issue is why? The fact that he does make mistakes does not support the conclusion that he is dumb.

    Kemp was rushed through the minors. He’s still learning the game. That most probably has a much bigger impact on him making those mistakes that people observe than him being “dumb.”

    People observe a certain kind of play or mistakes a player makes and jump to imputing the worst possible cause for that play or mistakes while ignoring a simpler, more likely cause for that mistake.

    So sure it is theoretically possbile Abreu is just “lazy.” But given his sustained level of strong performance over a long career how plausible is that conclusion? Is it really more plausible than the fact that he is slowing down physically and has lost range making it more difficult to get to balls other players can?

    So it’s not that players can’t be “dumb” or “lazy” it’s just that people jump to those conclusions all of the time without evidence that supports those specific reasons for the way someone plays.

  180. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    It has to be tough going through little leagues as a pitcher named Slowey – ooh the ridicule :)

    I bet he’s tough!

  181. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Don’t forget Rasner’s blister issues. Let’s hope his finger doesn’t start to give him problems.

  182. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    But of course jason did have avg with risp. It’s not like he was 0. Girardi guessed right this time. I hope it works the whole game.

  183. skeptic August 13th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    hmmm the point was that you provided no studies.

  184. DFox August 13th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    “No such thing as a bad win but there is such a thing as a poster who lacks in testicular fortitude. ”

    Greatest sentence ever.

  185. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    stupid glove

  186. DFox August 13th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Giambi has got to be kidding. How can he go out on the field with a non-functional glove?

  187. B August 13th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Damon (CF)
    Jeter (SS)
    Nady (RF)
    Manny (DH/LF)
    A-Rod (3B)
    Teixeira (1B)
    Matsui (LF/DH)
    FA (2B)
    Molina (C)

  188. romine August 13th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Wow don’t they throw the ball around the infield between at bats?

  189. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    hmmm the point was that you provided no studies.

    oh, gotcha.

    i’ll look around. this is fairly well known in the world of the internet baseball stat geek.

    i’m not just talking out of my ass (for a change).

  190. jimmy1138 August 13th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Is that Bill Buckner’s glove?

  191. Chris August 13th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    “Giambi has got to be kidding. How can he go out on the field with a non-functional glove?”

    You’re kidding, right? Sometimes gloves can get worn down and all it takes is 1 throw to bust the stitching. It’s not a “non functional glove” Calm down a little bit.

  192. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    washbourn cleared waivers where did her go????

  193. North August 13th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    I think its clutch to start a little 2 out rally. You cant give an inning away just because you have 2 out nobody one. Great back to back hits…

    But you think its not the Yankees year when even the gloves are on the opp. side

  194. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    “My point is this – the evidence that people often use to draw the inference that a player is “dumb” or “lazy” often does not support drawing that kind of extreme conclusion.”

    For the record, I’m not saying Abreu is lazy. My question was in regards to comments from players on the team with him in Philly who had that perception. If guys on the field and in the clubhouse had that perception, that is more evidence that us in the stands wondering why he’s afraid of the wall or why he didn’t get to a ball (when we didn’t pay attention to where he was positioned before the ball was hit).

    So, again, I’m not saying he is lazy, and not disputing that his age is the biggest cause of his defensive decline. Just wondering if there were any truth to the reputation players in the game, on his former team, gave him, or at least contributed to. At the same time, I’ve never heard of any Yankee inferring that he’s lazy out there, not that they would publicly though.

  195. Don Pratt August 13th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Geez, imagine if that happened during a rally? Do the Yankees even have equipment managers or does all their money go to Arod?

  196. Chris August 13th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    “Damon (CF)
    Jeter (SS)
    Nady (RF)
    Manny (DH/LF)
    A-Rod (3B)
    Teixeira (1B)
    Matsui (LF/DH)
    FA (2B)
    Molina (C)”

    There’s no way the Yankees get Manny and Teixeira next season. That’d be about 180 million worth in contracts to just 2 players. Not to mention I don’t think Moreno is gonna let Tex leave, he’s gonna lock him up longterm.

  197. mike August 13th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Cleared waivers? Olney said on espn at around 1245 that a team claimed him but didnt know who

  198. mike August 13th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Cleared waivers? Olney said on espn at around 1245 that a team claimed him but didnt know who

  199. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    I think its clutch to start a little 2 out rally. You cant give an inning away just because you have 2 out nobody one. Great back to back hits…

    which is why numbers with RISP are not the be all end all measure of “clutch”.

    RISP doesn’t capture A-Rod’s HR last night.

    everyone knows it was “clutch” though.

  200. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    how do you take that pitch ?

  201. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Cy Razz!

  202. S.A.-I want to believe in this team, but they make it hard to do so. This offense is still offensive. August 13th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Back to work bats

  203. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    who is this rasner kid?

  204. BYE GIRARDI! August 13th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    Betemit is just hilarious… good job by Rasner though.

  205. CB August 13th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    “the point was that you provided no studies.”

    hmmmm is correct. Line up order doesn’t make a whole lot of difference – not nearly as much as the difference having the right guys in the line up does.

    This has been looked at a lot.

    For every spot higher in the line up a hitter hits he gets around 30 more at bats over the course of a season. That’s the biggest thing line up does – it gives some players more at bats over the course of the season.

    See “Baseball Between the Numbers” for a discussion of this issue.

    It’s a very good book and touches on this subject.

    http://www.amazon.com/Baseball.....0465005969

  206. DFox August 13th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    “Sometimes gloves can get worn down and all it takes is 1 throw to bust the stitching.”

    Didn’t look like a stitching problem… They were putting their hands through on the bench, simply too big of a hole… Being that I’ve watched every Yankee game for years and I’ve never seen “the stitching bust” on a glove, I’m going to guess that’s not what happened.

    “It’s not a “non functional glove””

    What do you call it? A great first-baseman’s glove? Maybe Giambi can sell his own line of gloves that the ball goes through.
    What do you call it?

  207. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    “Cleared waivers? Olney said on espn at around 1245 that a team claimed him but didnt know who”

    I’d guess the White Sox.

  208. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Holy crap this umpire’s strikezone is MASSIVE

  209. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    “Geez, imagine if that happened during a rally? Do the Yankees even have equipment managers or does all their money go to Arod?”

    Arod should step up and buy Giambi a glove. Being that Betimett is on minumum wage.

  210. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Cono Robi tu si tienes cojones batiando asi..

  211. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    one pitch? Betemit should be publicly scolded by Girardi

  212. Chris August 13th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    “What do you call it? A great first-baseman’s glove? Maybe Giambi can sell his own line of gloves that the ball goes through.
    What do you call it?”

    I call it something that happens from time to time. It’s just a worn out glove. It happened to Tex in Anaheim over the weekend, too. Can’t really fault Giambi for having that occur. How was he to know that Betemit’s throw would do that? It’s not like he wasn’t using it during warmups before the inning started.

  213. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Cleared waivers? Olney said on espn at around 1245 that a team claimed him but didnt know who

    I’m guessing the White Sox

  214. jennifer August 13th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Torre being Torre. If Alex did that he’d call him out.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  215. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    The bottom of our lineup today is brutal. I’d be surprised if they see a combined 20 pitches together through the whole game.

  216. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    thanks CB, i was googling around. you saved me some time.

    basically, as long as you don’t do anything outrageously bad like put your worst three hitter 1-3 in the order, the effect on scoring is going to be minimal.

    so there isn’t much point complaining about whether Giambi and Nady should be 4/5 or 5/4.

    that’s exactly the type of thing that isn’t worth criticizing.

    an example of something that is worth complaining about, would be when Girardi had Melky leading off earlier in the year. luckily this experiment was short-lived.

  217. JohnC August 13th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Bunny had to go. She has a new client. Her name is Cynthia something. Anyone know her?

  218. jason August 13th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Washburn – Yankees have a lesser record than the white Sox. Would they claim him before he got to Chi Sox?
    Realistically, what would it take to get him?

  219. CB August 13th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    “My question was in regards to comments from players on the team with him in Philly who had that perception. ”

    Chris,

    If you can find any substantial comments from Abreu’s former teammates in philly suggesting he was lazy I’d like to see them.

    I’ve never heard or seen any of his ex-teammates suggest that. I know on the yankees the other players on the team love Abreu – and I can’t see guys like Jeter, ARod, Pettite, etc. liking and respecting a guy who they think is lazy.

    What I do know is that Philly fans hated Abreu and the fans there thought he was lazy. The main evidence for this was that Abreu took too many pitches and would not run into the wall.

    As far as I know it was only Philly fans who drew those conclusions about Abreu. Not baseball people.

    But’s it’s interesting how information moves – Phildelphia fans (who are considered some of the worst fans in the country) conclude that Abreu is lazy. And that gets turned into a rumor that the players on his team thought he was lazy.

    Again – if you can find substantial proof that the players on his team agreed with the Philly fans then I’d be interested in seeing it as I haven’t come across anything like that.

  220. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Jennifer does it suprise you I mean really ?

  221. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Chris,
    Maybe he’s trying to say that Giambi’s glove is still “like new” being that he doesnt flash it that often. Weird thing to happen for him.

  222. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    I really believe the Yankees need ONeill and Tino back. One can be hitting coach, the other bench coach. Oneill had a better lifetime average and more consistant so i say he is hitting coach and tino on the bench.

  223. CB August 13th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    hmmm no problem. I just happened to remember line up was discussed in baseball by the numbers and figured I’d save you the trouble.

  224. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Washburn – Yankees have a lesser record than the white Sox. Would they claim him before he got to Chi Sox?

    Ofcourse we would.

  225. skeptic August 13th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    i love it when hitters work the count, but it’s more important to get a good pitch to hit.

    last night robbie cano hit a fastball strike to the warning track, but a bunch of ppl on here got all over him for it

    its like become a religion on here that nobody’s allowed to swing at the first pitch, which is ridiculous.

    remember pitchers are told to get ahead in the count, often the first pitch is the best pitch in a series. that is why there are so many first pitch hitters in mlb.

    this ump is calling everything (getaway day for the umps, too).

    its nice to work the count if you can but not everybody is bobby abreu.

    how about we look at the quality of the first pitch before we condemn everybody who swings at one!

  226. pat August 13th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    jennifer

    That’s what happens when there’s no left field wall for potty breaks.

  227. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    “basically, as long as you don’t do anything outrageously bad like put your worst three hitter 1-3 in the order, the effect on scoring is going to be minimal.

    so there isn’t much point complaining about whether Giambi and Nady should be 4/5 or 5/4.

    that’s exactly the type of thing that isn’t worth criticizing.

    an example of something that is worth complaining about, would be when Girardi had Melky leading off earlier in the year. luckily this experiment was short-lived.”

    So they would score the same with?

    1. Giambi
    2. Arod
    3. Damon
    4. Jeter
    5. Abreu

    lol sure.

  228. DFox August 13th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    “Maybe he’s trying to say that Giambi’s glove is still “like new” being that he doesnt flash it that often. Weird thing to happen for him.”

    Yeah and that’s why you frequently see fielders take a ball and pound it into their glove to test it. I doubt Giambi did that. Just a good thing it didn’t really matter and they got out of the inning.

  229. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    The Yankees aren’t taking on Washburn’s deal now.

    Its why the Mariners should have done the deal at the deadline when the Yankees were interested.

    Now? With Hughes back in about a week or so, they have re-thought the idea of taking on the money and will most likely pass.

    Especially since the Mariners talked publicly about their unhappiness with the Yankees. When that stuff happens, teams tend to not make deals with each other over a player.

  230. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    But’s it’s interesting how information moves – Phildelphia fans (who are considered some of the worst fans in the country) conclude that Abreu is lazy.

    the last thing i want to do is open this can of worms, but most players who are perceived as “lazy” usually share a common trait.

    i won’t say what that is.

  231. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    “As far as I know it was only Philly fans who drew those conclusions about Abreu. Not baseball people.”

    Wasn’t so much Philly fans found him lazy so much as they felt that he never got it done in key spots and was never capable or, more importantly, willing to take on the role of “the man” in the lineup. I think maybe it also bothered them that it didn’t bother him.

  232. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Gammons says neither Hank Steinbrenner nor Brian Cashman have any interest in Manny Ramirez as a winter signing. He expects the Yankees to chase C.C. Sabathia.
    Manny apparently wants four years and $100MM, but Gammons expects something more in the three years, low $40MM range.
    The Red Sox have been looking for a young catcher, and Gammons guesses that Jarrod Saltalamacchia or Mike Napoli could be targets. Evan Grant suggested today that the Rangers may prefer to deal Salty and keep Gerald Laird.

    Ian Kennedy for Salty and have Tony Pena work w/ him. :)

  233. skeptic August 13th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    hmmm, cb

    thanks for that its pretty interesting.

    torre was crazy in love wiht the left-right-left thing and it really does present problems to the opposition’s bullpen, but i think it’s gotten out of hand.

    id really like to see nady bat 3rd and then flip abreu to 4th and arod to 5th. but that breaks the r-l-r thing.

  234. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    E-Man why wouldn’t they? How many times a game does Damon lead off an inning? One, two? Unless the Yankees score the majority of their runs in the first inning (they don’t) then lineup order doesn’t matter as long as the best hitters get the most at-bats.

  235. david August 13th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    “Sometimes gloves can get worn down and all it takes is 1 throw to bust the stitching.”Didn’t look like a stitching problem… They were putting their hands through on the bench, simply too big of a hole… Being that I’ve watched every Yankee game for years and I’ve never seen “the stitching bust” on a glove, I’m going to guess that’s not what happened.
    “It’s not a “non functional glove””
    What do you call it? A great first-baseman’s glove? Maybe Giambi can sell his own line of gloves that the ball goes through.
    What do you call it?”

    Are you an idiot? Ortiz had that happen to him in 04 or 05 and TEX just had that happen to him in the angels series at the stadium. Obviously you don’t watch as many games as you think.

  236. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    “Its why the Mariners should have done the deal at the deadline when the Yankees were interested”

    If someone else has interest (or need in the case of the Pale Hose), the M’s don’t lose much of anything by not doing the deal with the Yankees.

  237. david August 13th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap)

    You might be the dumbest fan ever. Like its longs fault we cant hit for shit.

  238. Betsy August 13th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    SJ, I appreciate your points, but it would feel like a complete step backward for Phil to stay in the minors. How would it look if the guy who wasn’t traded for Santana is now not good enough to crack the Yankees rotation? I’m all for doing what’s right for Phil regardless of appearances, but if’s ready to pitch up here, then he’s ready. I don’t think he should be stuck in AAA dominating hitters, depending on injuries to bring him back to NY. It would just seem like a complete admission that Phil is over-hyped and not what the Yankees expected (even at the tender age of 22).

    I have no such good feelings about CC – he’s fat, pure and simple. I do not want the Yankees to give a multi-year deal to him and then to have him break down. I don’t think he’d want to come to NY anyway. Moose and Andy? I don’t think I like that and Andy has not had a particularly good year.

  239. jennifer August 13th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    BRANDON- no not really

    pat- great point!!!

    I wonder if Joe will have them build a potty out there for Manny now. :lol:

  240. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    “Ian Kennedy for Salty and have Tony Pena work w/ him.”

    You couldn’t get a Salty jersey for Kennedy right now.

  241. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    So they would score the same with?

    1. Giambi
    2. Arod
    3. Damon
    4. Jeter
    5. Abreu

    lol sure.

    it might.

    but that’s not what Girardi is doing nor has ever done.

    so what is your point?

    read the studies.

    put your guys with the best OBP in the top of the lineup, guys with the worst OBP in the bottom.

    i just think it’s funny that you are so quick to call Girardi stupid when you don’t really know anything about the topic.

  242. CB August 13th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    hmmm,

    funny how that works isn’t it? Just a coincidence I’m sure…

  243. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    CHICAGO – White Sox general manager Ken Williams said Monday he is not looking to acquire Seattle southpaw Jarrod Washburn in a post-deadline deal.

    Washburn appears to be available – and the White Sox, with Jose Contreras out for the season, appear to be in the market for a starter – but Williams shot down rumors the Sox were pursuing the the soft-tossing, flyball-prone left-hander.

    “Certain pitchers don’t profile here,” Williams said.

    More to the point, Washburn wouldn’t fit at hitter-friendly U.S. Cellular Field.

  244. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    “the last thing i want to do is open this can of worms, but most players who are perceived as “lazy” usually share a common trait.

    i won’t say what that is.”

    They all have wallaphobia?

  245. Chris August 13th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    “I have no such good feelings about CC – he’s fat, pure and simple. I do not want the Yankees to give a multi-year deal to him and then to have him break down. I don’t think he’d want to come to NY anyway. Moose and Andy? I don’t think I like that and Andy has not had a particularly good year.”

    I couldn’t agree more. I think CC is going to stay out in the midwest somewhere, or stay in the national league. And as great as Moose has been this year, there’s no telling he won’t revert back to his results from last year. Although, there’s no reason he wouldn’t succeed agai next year, I just think him and Pettitte are gambles the Yankees shouldn’t afford to have. Move on, start fresh.

  246. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Re: Washburn

    Mets? Cardinals?

    Has to be a team in the postseason hunt, you’d think.

  247. PBL August 13th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    E-man, with that lineup we’d probably have the same exact amount of runs so far this game. I think that is exactly what the studies say.

  248. #9 August 13th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    “You couldn’t get a Salty jersey for Kennedy right now.”

    You couldn’t get a bag of Salty nuts for him right now.

  249. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    CC is fat
    Pavano is normal/well-conditioned

    Judging the durability of pitchers by their physique is not very smart imho.

  250. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    I have no such good feelings about CC – he’s fat, pure and simple. I do not want the Yankees to give a multi-year deal to him and then to have him break down

    since we are talking about various studies today, there has also been a study that shows that overweight pitchers are MORE durable than their skinnier peers.

    that one i have the link to:

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....ze-matter/

    it’s long, but interesting.

    the “CC is fat” argument doesn’t seem to hold water.

  251. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    excellent work hmmm :)

  252. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    “the “CC is fat” argument doesn’t seem to hold water.”

    Dude, he’s fat. There can be no argument about that. He’s a freakin’ pantload.

  253. #9 August 13th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    “I have no such good feelings about CC – he’s fat, pure and simple. I do not want the Yankees to give a multi-year deal to him and then to have him break down”

    Boomer Wells pitch well into his 40s – he was no health nut if you noticed.

  254. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    CB, I could be mistaken, but I thought I remembered that being said when we traded for him. I remember people (broadcasters, not bloggers) saying he had a reputation for being lazy, but Torre and the Yankees thought he was just laid back and weren’t offended by him not throwing helmets and kicking water coolers. If that “reputation” was just about the fans perception, I don’t know why it would be addressed to the point of the Yankees commenting on it.

    Like I said, I could be mistaken, but I’m certainly not on here spreading rumors.

  255. mike August 13th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    wtf. nice baserunning. the guy just stopped at second and looked at melky

  256. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Fredo,

    That’s true if the Mariners get someone to take on his remaining salary and a prospect in return.

    Betsy,

    No matter how fat CC Sabathia is, he’s one of the best pitchers in baseball. He’s also a guy that stays healthy and has proven it over the years.

    Its really not about what’s best for Phil Hughes. Its about what’s best for the Yankees. Hughes will probably only be able to pitch about 120-140 innings (tops) next year. That may not be enough to warrant a rotation spot for the entire year in NY, even if he stayed healthy and pitched well.

    CC Sabathia will be the #1 priority for the Yankees in the off-season. We talk too much about predicting his decline due to injury based on his appearance. Yet, he has been healthier than Phil Hughes his entire career.

    Its a crapshoot to predict injuries based on a pitchers appearance.

    Do you know who is one of the best conditioned athletes in baseball, and has been for the last 5-6 years? Mike Hampton. How has his injury gone?

    I think Hughes would be best served in his career having to compete for his job early in his career. It makes you better.

  257. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    boy was that horrible baserunning

  258. BB August 13th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    MELKY DO GOOD JOB.

  259. skeptic August 13th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    pesonally, i’d pass on cc and tex and the humongous contracts that go with them and work one notch lower and maybe go after sheets.

    i’d bring back pettitte or moose.

    id let giambi go and id let abreau go, even though i like both guys alot and go with damon-new cf-nady in the of an godzilla as the dh

    id rather see them improve at several positions and keep the payroll down somewhat by avoiding the monster contracts.

    despite the horror show that has become out SP staff this year, it STILL doesn’t make sense to sign a pitcher to a huge money 7 yr contract.

  260. Betsy August 13th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    I don’t mind one of them back, but both Andy and Moose? I think we’d be pressing our luck with that.

  261. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Suck on that Melky haters!

    Melky is our star of the future, the sooner you all get used to that the better.

    Yay Melky!

  262. Mister Moe August 13th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    The melk man delivers! wish he can hit as well.

    Time to fire Suzyn Waldman, she drives me crazy.

  263. Vader August 13th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    CC is not fat he is just big boned.

  264. mike August 13th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    lol i love melky too but that was more the baserunner with his head up his … than melky

  265. PBL August 13th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    can we install an applet that just deletes all posts that have manny and texeira in our lineup next year?

  266. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    “it might.

    but that’s not what Girardi is doing nor has ever done.

    so what is your point?

    read the studies.

    put your guys with the best OBP in the top of the lineup, guys with the worst OBP in the bottom.

    i just think it’s funny that you are so quick to call Girardi stupid when you don’t really know anything about the topic.”

    Just because there’s a study doesn’t mean it’s fact.

    There are studies on everything.

    With that 1-5 you’d be giving away the first inning. But hey that’s only 1 inning right.

  267. NongEyeJon August 13th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Melky still can’t hit.

  268. AD August 13th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    “Gammons says neither Hank Steinbrenner nor Brian Cashman have any interest in Manny Ramirez as a winter signing. He expects the Yankees to chase C.C. Sabathia.”

  269. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Dude, he’s fat. There can be no argument about that. He’s a freakin’ pantload.

    lol. good point, i guess i could have worded that better

  270. kidjock August 13th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Great play by Melky. Rasner is getting luck with the DP’s today. I’m a fan of running, but why run now? It’s the third inning. Ras is going on 40 plus pitches. That just doesn’t make sense to me.

  271. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    “the “CC is fat” argument doesn’t seem to hold water.”

    Ill agree with you on that hmmm. But how about the Brewers milking him to the last drop before free agency? His arm might fall off before the season is over. How many 200 pitch games can his arm withstand?

  272. #9 August 13th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    “I don’t mind one of them back, but both Andy and Moose?”

    I wonder if Andy even wants to come back?

  273. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    “That’s true if the Mariners get someone to take on his remaining salary and a prospect in return.”

    The Yankees were only offering one of those, not both. If someone offers to take the salary now, prospect or not, they’ve lost nothing. Now if the M’s end up paying $5M of his salary, they effed themselves.

  274. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    skeptic –

    Sheets is ALWAYS on the DL – except of course during this contract year. I’d pass on him.

  275. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    “the “CC is fat” argument doesn’t seem to hold water.”

    Pools that CC cannonballs into don’t seem to hold much water either.

  276. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    With that 1-5 you’d be giving away the first inning. But hey that’s only 1 inning right.

    how so?

    how would sending up Giambi, A-Rod and Damon be “giving” away an inning?

    what am i missing? you aren’t making any sense.

  277. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    smart play Ras

  278. Chris August 13th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    “Suck on that Melky haters!

    Melky is our star of the future, the sooner you all get used to that the better.

    Yay Melky!”

    Yup. Melky and his .240 batting average is really worth that one good throw every 10 or so games. I’d give him a big money contract and get insurance on that arm, because wow, he’s a superstar

  279. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Playoff flashback there.

  280. skeptic August 13th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    wow, when was the last time the twins made 2 baserunning errors in one inning!

  281. melky August 13th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Why are people so focused on my namesake. He’s paid to play defense and hit a little. Granted his hitting has been pretty bad, but his defense and arm are great.

    If everyone thinks Melky is the problem, I think they are missing the big picture

  282. Vader August 13th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Good one Nick

  283. NongEyeJon August 13th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Andy has said he does want to come back to open up the new stadium, but with the way he’s pitched vs. the way Mussina has pitched, I don’t know. Maybe if both are willing to take pay cuts.

  284. NongEyeJon August 13th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    Melky isn’t the problem, but he’s most definitely a gaping hole in the midst of smaller holes.

  285. kidjock August 13th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    How is that Harris fault? I’ll take it, but how is that his fault when Giambi is on the other side of the bag?

  286. #9 August 13th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    Babe Ruth was fat & that trade seem to work out well…

  287. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    CC isn’t staying in the Midwest.

    Most people in the game think its either NY or Southern California.

    If the Dodgers re-sign Manny, that takes them out of it.

    If the Angels re-sign Tex, they won’t go after him.

    He’s not going to the Padres and he’s not going to turn down the biggest contract ever offered to a pitcher.

  288. Chris August 13th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    “If everyone thinks Melky is the problem, I think they are missing the big picture”

    He’s not the only problem. But he’s one of many.

  289. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    #9

    On the NY Times blog yesterday there was an entry about Moose talking with kepner about how he didn’t have a lot of respect for guys who just hang on to compile numbers. It sort of sounded like he was 50-50 about coming back.

    I’d lean towards him coming back, but it is not a lock. He definitely wouldn’t go to a lower tier team just to get to 275 wins imo.

  290. PBL August 13th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    if i were the yanks i’d be really interested in cc’s physical..if he looks healthy, especially his elbow and his shoulder, it would make sense to pursue him. CC, Wang, and Joba would be an absolutely vicious top 3.

  291. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    His arm might fall off before the season is over. How many 200 pitch games can his arm withstand?

    i think this has been overblown.

    i think people are confusing throwing a lot of INNINGS with a lot of PITCHES.

    here are his pitchcounts since being traded:

    97
    122
    110
    106
    124
    109
    103

    is that crazy? i don’t think so.

  292. saucY August 13th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    “Pools that CC cannonballs into don’t seem to hold much water either.”

    the first nomination for post of the day! :lol:

  293. JR August 13th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    CC isn’t fat, he’s just festively plump.

  294. skeptic August 13th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    giambi’s really ripping the ball last night and tonight!

  295. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    “how so?

    how would sending up Giambi, A-Rod and Damon be “giving” away an inning?

    what am i missing? you aren’t making any sense.”

    Because even with Giambi getting on. 2 singles or even 1 xtra base hit doesn’t guarantee he’ll score. This is why leadoff hitters tend to have speed.

  296. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    “last night robbie cano hit a fastball strike to the warning track, but a bunch of ppl on here got all over him for it

    its like become a religion on here that nobody’s allowed to swing at the first pitch, which is ridiculous.”

    Skeptic, there have been times when almost the entire Yankee lineup is swinging at the first pitch and posters here are freaking out because of the “lack of patience” – and then you discover that the pitcher is a strikeout pitcher and basic baseball is that you swing at the first pitches.

    I think some posters get so knotted up in their negativity about a particular player or situation that they will immediately become accusatory rather than try to show any objectivity about a particular situation.

    I guess it’s similar to people cracking on Arod when he does something good and needing to refer to it as stat padding – or pointing out that nobody is on base at the time – or worst of all, totally ignoring the times when Arod comes through in a way that people want him to come through. There is a total lack of objectivity that comes with that kind of thing.

    My opinion anyway.

  297. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Is Lowell to the DL a sure-thing or not?

  298. S.A.-I want to believe in this team, but they make it hard to do so. This offense is still offensive. August 13th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Can we like get another run? Or is that too much to ask for?

  299. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Rasner better pitch a shutout. Doens’t look like the bats are interested in much besides catching their flight today.

  300. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Do we have any hitter who can turn on that inside pitch?

  301. skeptic August 13th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    have there been any big money pitching contracts over 5 years that have worked out? (for the team)

  302. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    SA ofcourse it’s too much to ask for

  303. Mister Moe August 13th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    We have to check with the boss in tampa if our hitters are getting paid……. they seem asleep to me, time for pay cuts

  304. Vader August 13th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Up here in the North East, the Sawx propaganda machine is already sending out word that CC will be target this off-season, especially with the Manny $$ coming off the books.

    This sounds like a way to get the Yankees to pay an extra year or few million.

  305. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 13th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Pools that CC cannonballs into don’t seem to hold much water either.

    Ok, that made reading the blog worth it today.

    NickSF, thank you very much.

  306. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    “Is Lowell to the DL a sure-thing or not?”

    Sure looked that way. Bad hip and strained oblique? He’s been awful lately anyway, so I’d guess it’s close to a lock.

  307. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    CB, hmmmm, if you’re implying what I think you are about perceptions of lazy players, I’ll say again, I never said the guy was lazy. In fact, I’ve defended him in the past and said in one of these posts that I’ve never heard anyone on the Yankees complaining about him. All I said was, if he went from being as good a defender as he has always been as recent as this year, and now has declined so rapidly in the same season, IS THERE a reason to re-visit those questions about his desire. It was a question, not a statement…….

  308. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    After seeing Melky start that double play from CF, I am officially convinced that he can throw the ball further than he can hit it. I propose Melky catching a breaking pitch with his left arm while in the batters box and launching it into the gaps.

  309. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    “i think people are confusing throwing a lot of INNINGS with a lot of PITCHES.”

    very good point.

  310. pat August 13th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    “Is Lowell to the DL a sure-thing or not?”

    Good possibility. What I heard this morning is he was going for an MRI for a strained oblique. He couldn’t even stand up straight last night.

  311. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    hmmm,
    Noted. I did confuse it with innings pitched. Lets go back to the fat arguement.

  312. PBL August 13th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    how long did we sign mussina for? all-in-all i think that worked out pretty well. You can’t expect a pitcher to be an ace for the duration of a long term contract but if you can get some ace quality years mixed in with solid seasons, I think that is a good deal

  313. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Don’t they almost always give that ‘vicinity call’ at 2B?

  314. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Because even with Giambi getting on. 2 singles or even 1 xtra base hit doesn’t guarantee he’ll score. This is why leadoff hitters tend to have speed.

    so the Yankees should put a fast hitter at the top of their lineup regardless of their OBP?

    you are all over the place. i am done.

  315. CB August 13th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Whether the Dodgers sign Manny or not, I just can’t see them making a run at CC. I know he reportedly prefers the West Coast and has that house he’s building in s. california. But I don’t think the Dodgers are going to want to pay him.

    McCourts main concern with that team seems to be payroll and revenue. He already seems to have refused to let the dodgers trade for CC because he didn’t want to pay his salary for the rest of this season.

    Every move the dodgers make seems to be about not expanding their payroll.

    They would only take Manny on if the dodgers paid the rest of his salary.

    The only plausible reason I can guess they didn’t put a waiver claim on Adam Dunn was because McCourt was afraid they’d wind up with Dunn and would have to assume the remaining $4M left on his salary. Maybe that’s the wrong assumption but it fits the way McCourt has run things.

    He might be forced to resign manny to a 3 years contract but I don’t see them going after CC for the 6-7 yrs it’ll take at big money.

    The angels aren’t going to spend big on a free agent pitcher, especially with Tex on the team.

    I just can’t see any California team that’s a fit.

    That’ll leave the yankees, the sox and perhaps the cubs and mets?

    CC will get paid but the market for him will be limited.

  316. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Hopefully Darell will be able to pitch through this and get us out of the inning.

  317. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Cano is a lasy prick

  318. Mister Moe August 13th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Is CANO getting paid ?

  319. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Cano thought he was going to the the recipient of the traditional “time zone” call there.

  320. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    can Cano be a bigger moron??

    REALLY IS IT POSSIBLE TO BE A BIGGER JERK…

  321. pat August 13th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Robbie needs to get his head in the game.

  322. jennifer August 13th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    How far from the base was he? He the ump have been giving a call back for the out call on the runner going out of the line?

  323. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    PBL -

    I think it is accurate that since he has been signed he has won more games than any other pitcher (and yes, I know that W-L is not the best metric) :)

    cue the Cano haters :(

  324. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Vapor lock #1541 for Robinson Cano this year.

    From Game 1 to now, far and away, the most disappointing player on the team all year.

    Its fast getting to the point where you have to wonder how much longer the team will put up with his mental mistakes.

  325. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Cano took the throw from ARod, and started to throw to 1B for the double play, but held up (no chance at two). Wasn’t -ON- 2B when he received the throw.

    But, I’d say 9 times out of 10, the 2B ain’t ON 2B when he receives the throw when turning a double play.

  326. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    CB, hmmmm, if you’re implying what I think you are about perceptions of lazy players, I’ll say again, I never said the guy was lazy.

    my comment was not directed at anything you said. i was just speaking in general.

    apologize if you thought i was implying you said something you didn’t.

  327. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    about to be tied right here

  328. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    yankee killer delmon young!! im nervous

  329. AD August 13th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    Is anyone even remotely concerned about how the Brewers are using CC? Its like having a really nice rental car and beating the hell out of it, because its not gonna be your car in a couple months.

  330. kidjock August 13th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    walk young and load the bases. bring the inf in.

  331. BB August 13th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    come on,cano must be serious in the game.

  332. hmmm August 13th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    Cano is a lasy prick

    exhibit A

  333. skeptic August 13th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    damn, one of my fantasy teams had:

    lowell, byrnes, furcal, wang, v.wells and crawford!

    kinda like the yankees! (im still in 3rd place!)

  334. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    “cue the Cano haters”

    Agreed. I’d wager most of them are watching on Gameday, and have no idea what’s ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE FIELD.

  335. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Bench Cano

  336. Mister Moe August 13th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Are the checks from TAMPA bouncing? Is this a little league team?

  337. mike August 13th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    son of a b itch

  338. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    well that sucks

  339. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Bench Cano send a message half assing isnt acceptable.

  340. CB August 13th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Chris,

    Sorry – my point was really a more general one that directly intended for you. Abreu is called lazy, etc. by a lot of people. I wasn’t trying to say that was what your primary point was. I was interested on whether you had seen things from his teammates. But I was referring to a negative perception about how he plays (lazy, passive, etc.).

  341. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    “But, I’d say 9 times out of 10, the 2B ain’t ON 2B when he receives the throw when turning a double play.”

    And I’d say you’re right. They call it the neighborhood play for that reason.

  342. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    THANKS CANO FOR THE EXTRA RUN..

    CANO IS A TOTAL MORON.. IF THEY HAD ANY OTHER Options they should sit is ass and fine him for being a total friggin jerk..

  343. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    3 run hr… awesome.

  344. gayle August 13th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    ok time to go back to the US Baseball game

  345. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    hmmmm, no problem.

  346. Cano is lazy August 13th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    I hope Cano blows out his knee. We’re the Yankees, and money ain’t a thing. Take your $8M/yr and go sit at home. Lazy punk.

  347. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    what happend? My Gameday is frozen.

  348. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Thank You Cano. Your brain lock costs the team again.

    Please, for the love of God, let this be his last year in NY.

    He’s just awful. No other way to say it.

    He cost the team more than he helps at this point.

    Unfortunately, they have nobody else to play the position the rest of the way so they are stuck with. Hopefully, for the last last 40 games of his Yankee career.

  349. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    pbl,
    7 years.

    AD,
    I just went through that. It isnt as bad as it seems. See my conversation with hmmm.

  350. Yankees fans = stupid August 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Ok, I think I’m convinced.

    Yankees fans are stupid.

  351. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    why not freaking pitch inside to young.. have this team learned.. well were down 2,, i think its gonna be tough be were gonna pull this one out

  352. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Amazing how mediocre players keep on killing the Yankees. Now I remember why I didn’t want to see Rasner pitching…he doesn’t have the stuff and he misses the plate too often. A 3-1 lead with the lineup we have out there feels like a 20-1 lead.

  353. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Delmon Young reminds me of Tabata

  354. no hope August 13th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    i dont think i can watch another game this season, we dont have a young pitcher other than joba who can start a game and give up less than 3 runs in the first half of the game, its pathetic really

  355. Michael T August 13th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Another depressing reurring nightmare for the Yankees continues- banjo hitters touching them for crushing home runs. Delmon Young and Adam Everett now have fully 30% of the seasons home runs against the Yankees. In the past 2-1/2 games.

  356. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    SJ44, just shut it. Please.

    Usually, I like reading you.

    But when you get ultra-negative, you just sound stupid.

  357. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    I cant believe Girardi hasn’t straightened Cano out yet. And something stupid like that always leads to the big inning, and it did again. Thanks Mr. Cano.

  358. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    rasner cannot walk people with his stuff but he does not comprehend that.

    look at rasner he has pitched well so far and has given up 3 runs, he cannot make any mistakes he is not capable enough..

    Hopefully this is Rasners last start it is not working…

  359. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Cano’s suckitude in effort costs us again….EPIC FAIL

  360. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    “Amazing how mediocre players keep on killing the Yankees. Now I remember why I didn’t want to see Rasner pitching…he doesn’t have the stuff and he misses the plate too often. A 3-1 lead with the lineup we have out there feels like a 20-1 lead.”

    Delmon Young = mediocre?

    Is that kinda how Justin Upton = mediocre?

  361. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    “i think people are confusing throwing a lot of INNINGS with a lot of PITCHES.”

    very good point.”

    It is a good point. Another good point is that the number of pitches in baseball who have thrown more pitches than Sabathia = 1. That’s only because Burnett has 1 more start and a 25 pitch relief appearance.

  362. Mister Moe August 13th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    I have a good question, why does it seem that every time we play a tem the strugling playing from the opposing team kills us, like young, everett, byrd etc…..

  363. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Grrrr, it’s the neighborhood play, not the time zone play.

    Cano doesn’t deserve that call. Chase Utley doesn’t even deserve that call.

  364. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    That wasn’t a neighborhood play. The umpire couldn’t call that an in the neighborhood play because Cano was nowhere near the bag when he caught the ball.

    He had no chance for a DP. The proper play was to get the force at second and leave it at that.

    Changes how you pitch to the rest of the guys in the inning.

    Just a careless error from a guy who has played horribly this year.

  365. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    How is Rasner already at 80 pitches, with 4 hits in 4 innings. What the hell is wrong with these guys?

  366. Booooo Cano August 13th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    I hope Girardi takes Cano out of the game.

  367. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) August 13th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    I don’t know how you can call yourself a Yankee fan and say you love Robinson Cano.

    He sucks and he doesn’t deserve to wear pinstripes and I hope they trade his slacker butt to some city where there is no Dominican population and he the best nightspot is Applebee’s.

    He’s a dog.

  368. Cano is lazy August 13th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Cano must have some incriminating pictures of Girardi, or else Cano would have multiple anal fissures by now.

  369. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    CB, fair enough. I read back through some articles, couldn’t find much, from when Abreu was traded here. All they talked about was perceptions and things his “critics” say. At the time (of the trade), I think I took that as more reliable information than just fan perception, that his “critics” weren’t just fans in philly. That obviously may have been a bad assumption. Based on that, I thought I remembered teammates being unhappy with his efforts, but I think that was my mind playing tricks on me….

  370. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    EVERY ONE OF YOU BORDERLINE IDIOTS WHINING ABOUT CANO:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhood_play

    Read it.

    If you’ve EVER WATCHED BASEBALL BEFORE IN YOUR LIFE, you’d have noticed that plays at 2B ALMOST ALWAYS have the fielder not actually ON THE BAG when there’s a runner coming in hard.

    The out is typically given to the fielder, in order to prevent injuries.

    Same reason you don’t have to actually attempt to get out of the way to be awarded first base on a HBP.

    Of course, don’t let any actual, oh, I don’t know, logic, keep you from whining and moaning about Cano.

  371. S.A.-I want to believe in this team, but they make it hard to do so. This offense is still offensive. August 13th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    get to work bats. We need runs stat.

  372. Betsy August 13th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    SJ44, I can’t dispute anything you wrote – all good points. I’m going to take it one step at a time. First, I just want Phil to come back to NY and pitch well. Mostly, I admit, I want him to show all the naysayers out there who jumped off his bandwagon and called him a #3, lol

  373. CB August 13th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    gayle,

    have the announcers on the U.S. olympic team game said why Johnson elected to start Brandon Knight in that game?

    I can’t understand that decision other than Johnson wanting to throw the “experienced” guy.

    With Trevor Cahill, Brett Anderson, Jake Arrieta and Steven Strasburg how does Johnson pick a pitcher not even half as talented to pitch against south korea, a good team.

    They could have thrown Knight tomorrow against the netherlands if they wanted. I don’t understand how Johnson didn’t throw Cahill or Anderson in that game.

  374. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Only groupies can really support Cano.. Look at what he has done this year. All that talent just wasted.. Bad AB’s all over the place, he is a terrible baserunner and this fallacy that he can steal a base is a total joke and his casual fielding on occasion costs them.

    he is just a stupid player plain and simple and anyone who supports that lackluster effort is just a idol worshiper or a groupie.

    Cano is joke, Melky has a n excuse he is not as capable…

  375. Matt August 13th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    The idiot mistakes we keep making are losing us key games. You CANNOT afford to have morons like Cano and Melky on the field in crucial games if you have a choice. When Jeter is ready to play, bench Cano AND Melky for at least 2 games, send them a message to wake up and focus.

    And Flaherty is right. Cano’s play is not a “pick up your fielder” play. It’s dumb. It changes the ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE INNING. You get that force out, it’s not a threat. You don’t, and the other team has you on the ropes. When you’re only up by a run in a crucial game, that’s a play that could LOSE YOU THE GAME.

    If they lose this game and don’t take the series, they will be in tremendous trouble. You cannot make “rookie” mistakes in these types of games. Cano and Melky, with clueless, dumb plays, have hurt this team more than they have at the plate.

  376. B August 13th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    trade cano

  377. pat August 13th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    “I hope Girardi takes Cano out of the game.”

    Think. With Betemit playing for Jeter, who you playing at 2nd.

  378. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    haah ur a joke buddy

  379. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Just a guess here but the Robby-Melky off-the-field tandem could be one of the worst things that could have happened for both of them. You have two young men playing on the most storied team in sports history, both from another country without family around them, and their overseer Larry Bowa far far away. So the headiness of the whole thing has probably caused them to feel bigger than life and also burn the candle at both ends. I don’t know who is around to ground them the way they obviously need grounding. I am not at all making excuses, just thinking that the set up hasn’t really benefitted their game. So Robby goes home over the AS break and comes back hitting up a storm – for a bit anyway. He works out with his dad the whole time. And Melky goes where and does what? I believe he lives with his mother and doesn’t have a dad at home (whether his dad died or left the family I don’t know.)

    It’s unfortunate because I really believe that they both have the skills to be extrordinary (Cano) or very very good (Melky) players.

    Again, it’s the off-the-field coupling of the two that I am guessing has been detrimental to both of their baseball development.

  380. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    “I don’t know how you can call yourself a Yankee fan and say you love Robinson Cano.

    He sucks and he doesn’t deserve to wear pinstripes and I hope they trade his slacker butt to some city where there is no Dominican population and he the best nightspot is Applebee’s.

    He’s a dog.”

    Maybe we could trade him to the Red Sox for Lugo, and slide Jeter to 2B.

    That’d be awesome!

  381. skeptic August 13th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    ok all the front-runners can go back to the olympics or days of our lives or whatever it is they do.

    us real fans will hang out here and watch the yankees come back and win this game.

  382. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Someone else,

    Sorry but, he’s played like garbage all year. Like last night when he went into vapor lock on the bases, its a dumb play.

    At this time of the year, you can’t do that and win games. He seems to do things like this on a daily basis.

    Its not negative, its reality. He’s had a terrible year and he is getting worse by the day.

    At some point, you have to stop hurting the team. If not, he can bring his “style” to his new team in the off-season.

    Since June 1, Delmon Young is hitting .320. He’s been one of the better hitters in the league since June 1.

  383. S.o.S.27 August 13th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Brandon,
    I need the dp and h.r. count next to your name. Im still betting Santana wins that race. Dont stop now!!

  384. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    SJ44, you’re going a little overboard don’t you think?

  385. Michael T August 13th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Rasner is, once again giving the Yankees all you can hope for from a AAAA pitcher- 100 pitches or 5 innings or so of keeping the team in the game if everything else goes right. (Which it rarely does these days).

    I thought Girardi was supposed to be old school. He certainly seems to put up with a lot of loafing and general head up the butt play from this team.

  386. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    “so the Yankees should put a fast hitter at the top of their lineup regardless of their OBP?

    you are all over the place. i am done.”

    Are you serious? Damon doesn’t have a good OBP?

    lol.

    You should be a manager. You are clearly smarter than the other 30. You have a study to prove it. Congrats.

  387. PAT M August 13th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    SKEPTIC…My point about Abreu being ion the 15th hole of the back nine was simply an illustration as to why the Yanks let him go……Rather critical response , even for you

  388. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    So, let me think.

    According to the geniuses here, we want to have Abreu in RF next year, DFA Melky and put Damon in center, trade Cano and have… who exactly?… at 2B.

    Awesome.

  389. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    “Cano is joke, Melky has a n excuse he is not as capable…”

    Finally we have someone who understands. People who are killing Melky and not Cano are morons, Cano has the talent to be a batting champion and a gold glover but he is lazy and uninterested sometimes. Melky is an epic fail at the plate and can make a few fielding plays.

  390. Jack August 13th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Yes, agree.

    Cano is moron and trade him (no kidding). Now probably Yanks can still get something back.

  391. Moshe Mandel August 13th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    It’s funny, SJ44, you preach patience with the youth, and then you are ready to get rid of Cano after one bad year that follow several good ones. It is extremely shortsighted.

  392. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    nother good AB from the future rod carew.

    what a joke, he could not hold carews jock strap.

    he is a fool that is not good enough to act like manny.

    he is a disgusting player..he may just not be very smart…

  393. rconn23 August 13th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    This isn’t just a down year for Cano, he’s been one of the worst second basemen in the league. It’s that simple.

    The guy has no clue at the plate anymore, and is careless in the field and on the bases. Could he get back to form next year? Possibly. But he also could be headed for an Andrew Jones like decline.

    To not listen to trade offers on him this offseason would be silly.

  394. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    this team sucks,, how do we not get a freaking hit of this guy.. omg this is a misearable season

  395. NongEyeJon August 13th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Well…2-run lead, the Yanks time to phone it in now. Too much of a deficit.

  396. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Kevin Clemens is really tough to hit..

  397. Matt August 13th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    But yet again, this is not on Cano, this is on the OFFENSE. 1 run in the first, and since, 12 in a row have been retired without a whimper. This team gets a lead, and gives up. They then have no pressure since the pitcher has to hold his lead. YOU GAVE HIM ONE FREAKING RUN, WAKE UP AND SCORE OFF THIS MEDIOCRE STARTING PITCHER.

  398. Betsy August 13th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    I’m at work, so I missed the play, but I wonder if the team is going to start resenting Girardi for being way too soft on a guy who’s cost the Yankees plenty this year. There is no excuse for lack of effort. I like Joe a lot – loved him as a player – but he is hardly tough on the players. He preached in ST that players that weren’t going to give an effort would be riding the pine. I think Joe Torre would have benched Cano by this point. Cano should be pulled from the field in the middle of an inning; I would love to see that.

    That being said, Rasner didn’t have to give up a HR.

  399. B August 13th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    It’s not worth to pay Cano a lot of money.He is not concentrate in the game.

  400. pat August 13th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    SJ

    He has too much talent to just write him off. If Bowa was able to get him focused and keep him focused, it’s on Girardi to find someone to do the same.

  401. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    You don’t have to hate Cano to see that he was way too far off the bag to be the recipient of the ‘neighborhood play’ call.

    He was tapping his feet far enough off the bag that Larry Craig’s ear perked up.

  402. Michael T August 13th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Another game for the Gotham Grinders. 69 pitches in 18 PAs.

  403. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    ahh this team is soo bad!!! ahh is it time we start calling for prospects to start getting playing time..

  404. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    “This isn’t just a down year for Cano, he’s been one of the worst second basemen in the league. It’s that simple.”

    In fairness, his 2nd base play had been pretty damn good until the last month or so. But it’s been a bad year for him.

  405. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Can we trade Wilson Betemit back to LA for Larry Bowa?

  406. Mo August 13th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Typical DR

  407. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    SJ44 –

    I just think you take negativity way overboard.

    Yes, his season has not been good. At all. Outside of the first week after the ASB, he’s had very little power, even when he’s hit (his BA is fine post-April, but he, again, doesn’t walk much). He was EXCELLENT defensively before he got hurt. Past 3 weeks have been -bad-.

    I think the defense is physical, and not mental, at the moment.

    We don’t know what goes on with these guys behind the scenes – if he’s hurting, what can the Yankees do? He’s the only 2B we have.

    As for Delmon Young, he wasn’t a top prospect for nothing.

  408. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    S.o.S.27 I’ll put it up later tonight. I’d rather display my displeasure w/ the super bright hitting coach.

  409. luis August 13th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    cabrera is killin me

  410. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    I said it when they did it. Giving Cano that deal was a huge mistake. He’s too lazy and unmotivated to have that kind of security.

  411. Mo August 13th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    What does it take to sit Melky?a .150 avg?

  412. Matt August 13th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Melky is 3 for 26 this month. Cano is 13 for his last 61.

    These guys are absolutely KILLING us at the plate. Their slightly above average defense doesn’t even come close to outweighing their horrible at bats and dumb plays on the field.

    And you take out Cano’s dumb play, and we’re down 1, not 2. Again, the stupid plays make a HUGE difference in the game.

  413. NongEyeJon August 13th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Some of you have touched upon what is scary about Cano’s decline this year. It’s scary because I think he’s hurt his trade value a tremendously. I question what we could get back for him now. I remember thinking this guy was so untouchable but his seeming carelessness is not just a talent issue…it is a character issue, and THAT is something that might be more detrimental. It seems as if Cano and Melky, both, figured their spots on this Yankees roster were secure, and their work was done. THAT is not the type of player I want on a Yankees team.

  414. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    “This isn’t just a down year for Cano, he’s been one of the worst second basemen in the league. It’s that simple.

    The guy has no clue at the plate anymore, and is careless in the field and on the bases. Could he get back to form next year? Possibly. But he also could be headed for an Andrew Jones like decline.

    To not listen to trade offers on him this offseason would be silly.”

    Huh?

    How can you compare Cano to Andruw (that’s a U) Jones?

    Jones is getting older, and his decline has occurred. His bat speed is -gone-.

  415. Blargh August 13th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    SJ: He’s got a point there. We’re not arguing with your message/point itself, but sometimes when you point out the downside you really go overboard on the description/vibe of the message. Though I usually write those off as knee-jerk reactions, as your posts after having time to digest the previous game aren’t as…in a sense, over dramatic.

  416. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    man Nady just always finds himself in the right spot.

  417. BB August 13th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Do good job.Nady is wonderful.

  418. Celerino Sanchez August 13th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Nice thought on Melky and Cano Trisha but another theory could be the rest of the league has caught up to them. Two or three years of tape and tendencies to study. Maybe this is the reality, that they are just ok players. Maybe I’m wrong but it wil ltake moret han this year to determine that obviously.

  419. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Wow Melky is 3 for his last 31 lol, this is beyond epic fail its now a fail of LEGENDARY proportions.

  420. D Day August 13th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    SJ just posts nonsense to get a rise out of you people.

  421. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Cano is in his 4th year in the majors. He’s not a “kid” in terms of playing basic, fundamental baseball.

    This is not some rookie who has 50 ML AB’s or a rookie pitcher. This is a guy who some on here think is a superstar. Right now, he’s barely an average ML second baseman with his play this season.

    That’s a routine play at second base. Its not his first “style” play to hurt the team. He’s done it all year.

    Last night, he went vapor lock on the bases.

    Its really simple. When you aren’t hitting, you have to at least make the routine plays and not make mental mistakes on the bases. Its not hard to figure out.

    These are the kind of mistakes he has made all year. Its inexcusable.

    Sorry, I know Cano has his fans in here who thinks he is just “unlucky”. He’s not unlucky. He’s unfocused and its a big reason why he has been such a disappointment this year.

  422. Robbie Cano - dont cha know he's gotta go! August 13th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    There was a rumor near the trade deadline that hte Dodgers were interested in Cano. Rumor involved Kemp.

  423. G. Love (*coined the term Prospect Hugger) August 13th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    The only people who are defending Cano are the groupies like Someone Else who like him because he’s oh so smooth and sexy.

    The rest of us realize he is a colossal waste of talent and one of the most disappointing players of the season.

    They can’t get him off this team fast enough. Him and his little buddy in CF.

    And please, stop using “who are we going to get to play 2b” as your defense for keeping Cano.

    We’ll find a 2b. Middle infielders grown on trees in this league. It’s not akin to searching for a #1 pitcher or a closer.

  424. ZMAN7777 August 13th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Folks, there are simply no other options at this point. And everyday it’s someone else who draws the collective ire.

  425. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    “He was EXCELLENT defensively before he got hurt. Past 3 weeks have been -bad-.

    I think the defense is physical, and not mental, at the moment.”

    Agree with the 1st part. Disagree with the 2nd. He has not played smart. He may be a dinged up, but he’s not injured. Some physical errors, but some mental too.

  426. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    “Melky is 3 for 26 this month. Cano is 13 for his last 61.

    These guys are absolutely KILLING us at the plate. Their slightly above average defense doesn’t even come close to outweighing their horrible at bats and dumb plays on the field.

    And you take out Cano’s dumb play, and we’re down 1, not 2. Again, the stupid plays make a HUGE difference in the game.”

    We should put Giambi at 2B. That’d be awesome.

  427. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    On the radio – Feinsand has Hughes first start against Baltimore after another final rehab start.

  428. Gif August 13th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    SJ44 is right. They need to trade cano and arod and rebuild.

  429. YankeeFan4Eva August 13th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Why is Cabrera playing, why!!!! can someone please tell me WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  430. B August 13th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    I am tired of Cano’s loose attitude.

  431. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    “Sorry, I know Cano has his fans in here who thinks he is just “unlucky”. He’s not unlucky.”

    Well you see, we have statistics that back up the assertion that he has in fact been unlucky. You have what, exactly, to back up your point?

  432. kidjock August 13th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    OMG Cano is taking a beating on the board. He was clearly being lazy and scarred of the baserunner bearing down on him. But to call him the WORST 2nd baseman in the league! Trade Cano!?!? Let’s not get emotional. Bench him? Definitely. Give him some tough love? Of course, for the rest of the year. But to write the guy off? He is one of their building blocks. If we said Rasner would limit the Twinkies to 3 runs over 5 we would all take it.

  433. Tim August 13th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Someone Else is a troll. Don’t question SJ44.

  434. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    “The only people who are defending Cano are the groupies like Someone Else who like him because he’s oh so smooth and sexy.

    The rest of us realize he is a colossal waste of talent and one of the most disappointing players of the season.

    They can’t get him off this team fast enough. Him and his little buddy in CF.

    And please, stop using “who are we going to get to play 2b” as your defense for keeping Cano.

    We’ll find a 2b. Middle infielders grown on trees in this league. It’s not akin to searching for a #1 pitcher or a closer.”

    Ah, straw man. The mighty refuge of the incompetent argument.

    I’m not a ‘Cano fan’, but I think the incessant Cano hatred is overblown.

    Middle infielders grow on trees? THEN NAME THEM!

    Name a 2B you want the Yankees to pursue this offseason.

    The list is not pretty.

  435. Bob Shirley's Changeup August 13th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    anybody else thing BigTimeBats looks scammy??

  436. NongEyeJon August 13th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    SJ44,

    I happen to agree with your sentiments on Cano, so I’m not hating. The guy has character flaws and concentration issues that get in the way. He needs to be in….KC where there’s no nightlife or something. I keep thinking that when he’s out in the field he’s thinking about the previous night’s party with Melky.

  437. TurnTwo August 13th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    “He was tapping his feet far enough off the bag that Larry Craig’s ear perked up.”

    well done, Nick. good stuff.

  438. North August 13th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    About Melky… Think he got all his 3 hits in one game in Texas. So in all but one game he has been useless. Like playing with a picther hitting 9th

  439. CaptainsCorner August 13th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Can someone please give Cano his ADD medicine. He is absolutely sickening to watch. He is just sooo dumb!!! He yells at the umpire and then has that stupid look on his face that he always has with no idea what he did. Girardi PLEASE get a set of balls and take him out of the game the next time he does something stupid…which will most likely be on Friday.

  440. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    sources tell Heyman new boss wants Cash back, Cash expected to resign

    SI

  441. AB August 13th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Cano should be traded while his value is high.

  442. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    It’s Cano’s fault we have only 3 hits against a mediocre pitcher with 4+ ERA.

  443. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    “Second basemen
    Jamey Carroll (35) – $2.5MM club option for ’09 with a $0.15MM buyout
    Ray Durham (37)
    Mark Ellis (32)
    Mark Grudzielanek (39)
    Orlando Hudson (31)
    Tadahito Iguchi (34)
    Jeff Kent (41)
    Felipe Lopez (29)
    Mark Loretta (37)
    Aaron Miles (32)
    Nick Punto (31)”

    That is your 2B Free Agent list.

    The two best on the list are Ellis and Hudson. Ellis is probably going to resign with the As (and I don’t want his .230 BA anywhere close to the Yankees), and Hudson just had wrist surgery.

  444. Moshe Mandel August 13th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    G. Love, why is it that Cano’s supporters are groupies. Why is it impossible for someone to agree that he has had a rough year but think it would be imprudent to trade him at his lowest value when we have seen him be a Top 5 second baseman in the not so distant past?

  445. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    I disagree with the concept of Girardi needing to find somebody on the coaching to motivate or keep Cano focused.

    Jeter, Arod, Abreu, Chamberlain, Rivera, Moose, Pettitte, etc, don’t need their personal Dr. Phil’s on the coaching staff.

    Sorry but, it shouldn’t take a coaching staff to babysit Robinson Cano to get him to play solid baseball. If it does, trade him.

    I know that sounds harsh to some of you but, I’m not asking him to split the atom or cure cancer. I’m asking that he shows up and focuses for the games he plays this year.

    That’s not really a lot to ask.

    If he can’t do it, he needs to go.

    If it was something (his lack of focus) which only happened occasionally, you live with.

    With Cano, these things happen more often than not with him. I’m sorry but, that’s unacceptable if you want to see this team have a shot at the playoffs.

    His bat no longer makes up for the mistakes he makes in other areas of his game.

  446. 86w183 August 13th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Personally I’ve just about had it with Mr. Laid Back at 2B. That play was inexcusable, but all too typical of a guy who is coasting on his talent which is considerable. Move him in the off-season and see what you can get. LA makes perfect snese and they have plenty that would interest the Yanks. It’s a shame the best (only?) position player the Tampa Mafia produced in ten years plays as if he could give a crap.

  447. NongEyeJon August 13th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    AB,
    I think Cano’s value is dropping by the minute.

  448. V August 13th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Cano is an all star. He can’t go anywhere.

  449. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    “In fairness, his 2nd base play had been pretty damn good until the last month or so. But it’s been a bad year for him.”

    Yes.

    Celerino, you are right that it all remains to be seen. I’m not sure of the answer but I know I am not convinced that Melky and Robby are washed up. I do wish they hadn’t bonded the way they did because for a while the press was reporting about their late-night partying with games the next day and you know that can’t be a good thing. I do think they let their baseball player status go to their heads.

  450. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Here comes the DP.

  451. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    “Sorry but, it shouldn’t take a coaching staff to babysit Robinson Cano to get him to play solid baseball. If it does, trade him.

    I know that sounds harsh to some of you but, I’m not asking him to split the atom or cure cancer. I’m asking that he shows up and focuses for the games he plays this year.”

    That sounds nice and all, SJ44, but trade him to WHO for WHAT and sign WHO to replace him?

    You can say ‘trade him’, but unless you have an answer to those three questions, I’ll just say you’re being overly negative.

  452. Mister Moe August 13th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Over/Under on Arod DP

  453. NongEyeJon August 13th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    I happen to think the “Captain” should be somewhat responsible for putting Cano in his place, but for all of his legendary intangibles, Jeter is not a vocal leader. I think Cano obviously retains the most responsibility, but what is a “Captain”‘s job anyway?

  454. ANSKY August 13th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    This is probabaly old news to some of you hard core blogers but it wounds like Hank wants Cashman back and he likes the idea of the rotation being Sabathia, Pettitte, Moose, Joba and Hughes, and Sheets would be an alternative to Sabathia.

    I like the idea of keeping Cashman, and I don’t care how many people want to chase him out of town. I’d rather chase Bobby Meacham out of town instead. I also like that rotation w/ Sabathia but I hope the lineup gets shaken up at CF, 2B and 1B.

  455. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    And A-Rod returns to his normal unclutch state.

  456. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    the jinx machine Micheal Kay

  457. TurnTwo August 13th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    “LA makes perfect snese and they have plenty that would interest the Yanks.”

    there are any number of teams who would have interest in a Robinson Cano. a Torre/Bowa renuion makes sense, yeah.

    how about a Cano and IPK/Fielder-centric swap with Milwaukee?

  458. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Always trying for the HR…

  459. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    “This is probabaly old news to some of you hard core blogers but it wounds like Hank wants Cashman back and he likes the idea of the rotation being Sabathia, Pettitte, Moose, Joba and Hughes, and Sheets would be an alternative to Sabathia. ”

    I don’t want to pencil Hughes into the rotation, especially with his innings limits next year.

    Some others would probably disagree, but I’d love to pursue Sabathia and Oliver Perez.

  460. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    rally rally!!! we need one giambi get on base please!!!

  461. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    SJ –

    That doesn’t sound harsh – it just sounds pig-headed. If you have anyone with talent in your organization that can contribute to its success, then the organization has an obligation to do everything possible to tap that talent.

    It is like complaining about high level pitchers that like to have personal catchers – but this is even easier b/c there is no on-field impact like there is with a personal catcher.

  462. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Day games used to be a fun distraction during the work day.

    Now they’re boring and I’d rather just get my work done.

  463. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    “Always trying for the HR…”

    Do you know this?

    Or are you just being stupid?

  464. mike August 13th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    wow another nice call sending abreu … i dont understand. he IS NOT A BASE STEALER

  465. Jay August 13th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Mark Grudz would be better at 2b

  466. B August 13th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Since Cano has signed the big contract,he start to loose.

  467. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Hahaha Bobby Abreu is terrible

  468. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    dear god.

  469. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Guess they’re not reading your blog Pete.

    Kepp running Bobby.

  470. cory August 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    ” the idea of the rotation being Sabathia, Pettitte, Moose, Joba and Hughes, and Sheets would be an alternative to Sabathia.”

    your forgot wang. another clueless “fan”

  471. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    wtf girardi,,

    alright i had enough of him.. wat are you doing!!!

  472. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    It seems like Abreu is always out trying to steal a bag. Another great play from a great team!

  473. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    I’m basically pro-Cano, but I think the notion that losing Larry Bowa is responsible for his decline this year is just silly. Or, if true, scary.

    If his psyche is that fragile, what else can send him into a tailspin?

    And Abreu isn’t helping his defenders much either with so many caught stealings.

  474. TurnTwo August 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    “Some others would probably disagree, but I’d love to pursue Sabathia and Oliver Perez.”

    Oliver Perez makes a lot of sense. can be erractic at times, but is a big game pitcher.

    Boras client though, so he isnt coming cheap. Probably talking a minimum 4 years/$60 million to start, and work your way down from there if you can.

  475. Matt August 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    AGAIN! Abreu was safe at 2nd base, but the umpire was COMPLETELY out of position and called him out. Harris tagged him all the way up the leg. He never got him when he caught the ball. And on top of that, he snow coned it and never had control.

    Abreu shouldn’t have been running, but who could blame him? This team is a freaking joke. Any runs you can steal are tremendous, and getting into scoring position with 2 outs is a big play if it works.

  476. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap) August 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Now they’re boring and I’d rather just get my work done.

    me too. I see you later guys

    Go Yankees I guess :?

  477. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    “I happen to think the “Captain” should be somewhat responsible for putting Cano in his place, but for all of his legendary intangibles, Jeter is not a vocal leader.”

    I agree about Jeter, and Arod for that matter, being the guys that should get on Cano. However, I’m not so sure that’s not already happening. Hasn’t it been said that Jeter is far more vocal than we can see on TV?

    I would be surprised if he and/or Arod, who is a big brother/mentor to Cano and Melky, haven’t already told Cano many times to make the plays and stop showing off.

  478. Bronx Jeers August 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Cano’s killing me and all these posts about his BAPIB or whatever it is and he’s unlucky… get a clue. You’re not unlucky after 120 games. You stink.

    So Ted Williams or whoever was was just “lucky” I guess.

    His “Cool Joe” style of playing is so tired. Why can’t he look to his right and observe 2 stars who just get the most out of their defensive talents by simply playing fundamentally sound.
    i can’t see the game so I didn’t see his error but something tells me he looked like Billy Dee Williams doing it.

    Maybe they need Cano’s father as 3rd base coach. Or just have Meacham kneel and put on a Bowa mask.

    I had a feeling it was Bowa holding this guy together.

  479. Mister Moe August 13th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Pete, it’s your fault abreu was CS, you jinx’d us

  480. Lol August 13th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    I bet SJ44 wanted to trade Bernie Williams in 1993, lol!

  481. mark August 13th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    just go away Someone Else.

  482. North August 13th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Girardi is clueless.. DONT sent Abreu with Giambi at the plate. Giambi’s job is to hit the longball. And not a little single.. OMFG

  483. CaptainsCorner August 13th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    I guess Abreu forgot that he is very slow now. Not a bright move. I don’t even remember the last time he stole a base and was safe..He gets thrown out a lot.

  484. NongEyeJon August 13th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Bob,

    Getting work done instead of paying attention to the game is attests to the ridiculously lousy nature of this team. It’s a bitter pill to swallow.

  485. dan August 13th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Why would you run there?
    Why would you run there?

    The worst baserunning team in Yankee history

    Suffice to say, the mark of a bad team is to have a win like last night and have 0 carryover into today

    Old time Yankee teams would have hammered today

  486. PBL August 13th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    forgot about Wang, ANSKY

  487. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Or just have Meacham kneel and put on a Bowa mask.

    That made me laugh.

  488. CaptainsCorner August 13th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    The Yankees are losing, so I decided to come here.

  489. pat August 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    SJ

    Disagree. The Yankees have a strength and conditioning coach, nutritionist, sports psychologist and a medical team in place. Why? To optimize player performance.

    If a “concentration coach” could optimize Cano’s performance, you give it a shot.

  490. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Does this Dan Giese appearance mean a change of plans for Phil Hughes?

  491. B August 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Cano didn’t respect himself work.

  492. CaptainsCorner August 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Yanks never show up at day games. I knew they wouldn’t today. They are just too old and lazy after a night game. Right now they are thinking about what they are doing on the off day tomorrow not actually hitting to win the game.

  493. RhapsodyInBlue August 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Sterling and Waldman spent a good 5 minutes ripping Cano for that error.

  494. Andrew August 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    “how about a Cano and IPK/Fielder-centric swap with Milwaukee?”

    They definitely need a second baseman, Rickie Weeks was a total bust for them this year to the point where they brought in Ray Durham. I don’t know if they are giving up Prince for Cano and pitching prospects, though. That would be a pretty sweet scenario, however. Prince is definitely a competitor (see: almost beating up his team’s pitcher for leaving the dugout when he got yanked), but I don’t think Milwaukee would bite.

  495. chuck August 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    And that is why they need to let Abreu walk.

  496. Last year at Yankees Stadium and we wont play in Oct. (hope i am wrong) August 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    i rather a team full of Manny’s and Sheffields right now.. sooo depressed.. :( damn yankess.

  497. Robbie Cano - dont cha know he's gotta go! August 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    WTF was Abreu thinking? 2 outs, man on first, down by 2, giambi up…wait for the HR by the G-man or a walk to let Nady bat with 2 on.

  498. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Kay+Flaherty is one of my least favorite YES duos. Singleton+Cone is much better.

  499. mel August 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    The only 2 reasons why that attempt was no good is that 1)he got caught and 2)you take the bat out of Giambi’s hand who either gets an out or hits a HR (1st inning single aside). Nothing to gain with a SB.

  500. kidjock August 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    cannot argue with running there. Sowey had not looked at Abreu the whole time. He throws a terrible pitch and Maur just made a great throw. If Abreu makes it to third they have to play Giambi straight up. I know Abreu has been thrown out a lot his few attempts, but stealing there made sense. he should have gotten a better jump because the picture barely even looked at him.

  501. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    So now let’s kill Abreu for his failure to steal second instead of giving him credit for trying to make something happen.

    Two sides of the same coin. If he made it he’s a hero.

    At least someone on the team is actively trying to make something happen. A shame that it didn’t work.

  502. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    im calling jeter out on this team.. where the hell is your captain skills and get at it with this team. scream and yell in peoples faces.. just becasue we are the yankees does not mean we cant a fight or something emotional go on!!!

    come on,, we got 3 innings to get a win and a series win on this road trip… this game has huge importance.. come on!!!1

  503. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Patrick,

    Is it “unlucky” how he continues to make mental mistakes? Is that part of the “unlucky” part of his game?

    Just because he puts a lot of balls in play and they aren’t dropping is not evidence he’s unlucky.

    At times, he swings at pitches out of the zone in bad counts and may put the ball in play. Is that an unlucky or bad AB? You have to judge that on a case by case basis.

    Has he had some unlucky AB’s? Absolutely. However, if you watch all of his AB’s this year, he’s had more poor AB’s than unlucky AB’s.

    Look at his overall game this year and tell me he’s been anything CLOSE to what he was. He hasn’t been.

    I’m not asking him to hit .350 and make 500 plays in a row without an error.

    I’m asking him to show up and play fundamental baseball for more than 15 or 20 games a year. Its really not a lot to ask.

    That play changed this game to date. Unfortunately, he doesn’t provide positive plays to change games anymore. He sure does provide his share of plays to negatively affect games.

    KS,

    Another example as to why Abreu needs to be gone. Yet another foolish decision to run in that situation.

    Why take the bat out of Giambi’s hands? Especially considering his SB % is not good.

    Bad baserunning costs them again.

    Its the little things that decide games and this team is just awful at doing the little things to win games.

    That has to change for next season.

  504. CaptainsCorner August 13th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    The Yankees suck.

  505. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Posada out is the killer. In 06′ Varitek went down for the Sox and they ended in 3rd. They are leaders off the field. Posada would bitchslap Cano for dogging it play after play.

  506. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Bad tams make bad decisons. the Yanks are jsut stupid players defend them all you want the facts are the facts.

    abreu bad idea, cano totally brain dead.

    Pathetic effort again today, how many times have we said that this year?

    Many many times….

  507. Tim August 13th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Girardi must go

  508. Mark in Tampa August 13th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    “Oliver Perez is a big game pitcher”

    Exactly which big games has he pitched?

  509. Robbie Cano - dont cha know he's gotta go! August 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    “STOP SIGN: Bobby Abreu has been caught stealing eight times in 22 attempts.”

    Update 2:50 pm: Make that nine times in 23 attempts.

  510. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    here we go giese throwing this game away.. holy god .. i need a freaking l to the dome because i am soo low and cant believe what i am seeing..

    do we want to make it playoffs? please some one answer for the loosers on this team..

  511. The Panoramic Vista Roof in Jeter's Edge August 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    I wish their was a strike and the season ended today

  512. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    “Does this Dan Giese appearance mean a change of plans for Phil Hughes?”

    Doubtful. With off days tomorrow and Monday, Geise’s number was not likely to be called again til Tuesday or Wednesday of next week.

  513. the big cat August 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    I’m so down on Girardi…this team is DONE

  514. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Did Rasner not have one more inning in him? Besides Cano’s dog play and the 3 run hr, he was holding them down.

  515. PBL August 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    I actually agree with several things someone else has said

  516. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Another pitcher with mediocre stuff and poor control.. The Yankees never grow tired of these guys!

  517. Last year at Yankees Stadium and we wont play in Oct. (hope i am wrong) August 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    rather watch the movie “major league”… “Come on Willie”

  518. al arodien August 13th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Mark in Tampa

    agaist us yankees
    in the playoffs game 7 in 06

  519. Tim August 13th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    why is rasner out

  520. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    The clock is striking midnight on Giese’s fairytale ride

  521. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    nothing is wrong with him just wants another pitcher to have enough time to warm up!!!

  522. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Giese has caught whatever the Yankees are spreading. Nady has it, Giese has it. Rivera has it. The offense has it.

  523. CaptainsCorner August 13th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Good job Giese. Maybe tell the team you don’t feel right before you cost them the game by loading the bases. Rasner couldn’t pitch another inning??!?!!!

  524. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    “Another pitcher with mediocre stuff and poor control.. The Yankees never grow tired of these guys!”

    Or one who is having some kind of physical problem?

    If Giese is mediocre it just started this inning!

  525. Rishi August 13th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    oh goodie – Young with the bases loaded and no outs

  526. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    $20 on a grandslam this inning. It’s what they do.

  527. 34hughes August 13th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    hughes to start next tuesday write that down

  528. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    For a guy who trust his pitchers so much, Why didn’t Girardi leave Rasner for 1 more inning? Our manager is a real dumbass.

  529. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    put a fork in it the season is over..

    we are finished and baked and ready to come out of the over

    hey captain jeter show some emotion for a change and teach cano a god damn lesson.

  530. Bob Shirley's Changeup August 13th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    another injury really can’t help…

  531. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    another work of art today..

    I am a huge yankee fan but how can anyone beleive the pile of crap that Cano is unlucky?

    why can’t you just say I love the Yanks but Cano is a mental midget.. they make a lot of bad decisions and that is why we are where we are.

    they give up outs, give up Ab’s, and they make mental mistakes all over the place.. They are stupid stop enabling them..
    Cano should be fined or get hsi ass kicked in, that is what he deserves…

  532. al arodien August 13th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    This Game is ova! season ova! yankees ova! Giradi ova! (if you saw the bank job you will get the “ova” word)

  533. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Trisha,

    I see your point but, there are times you make something happen on the bases and times you sit tight.

    In that situation, especially given Abreu’s poor baserunning numbers, that’s not the time (from a baseball perspective) to try and run. Its really a dumb play.

    Girardi didn’t send him. He has the green light on the bases. Unfortunately, he doesn’t know how to use it.

    Again, little things come back and kill you in low scoring games.

    TK,

    They can’t have 25 babysitters for players. If Cano needs that type of coaching, he’s in big trouble as a player.

    At some point, you have to grow up. Its not his first or second year in the league.

    If he was mature enough to get a 30+ million dollar contract, he sure as heck has to be mature enough to focus and play the game the right way.

    Damn shame about Dan Giese. You hate to see an injury to a guy that worked so hard to get to the bigs.

    The game isn’t fair, that’s for sure.

  534. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Delmon the Yankee killer at the plate, guarantee Robertson walks in the run.

  535. Tim August 13th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    perez would be better than Kennedy and giese

  536. Un- Natural August 13th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    D. Young RBI(s) in this inning OV/UN 3

  537. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 13th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    well folks, game is over.

    1 game winning streak was nice.

    Hopefully they won’t get booed too bad back at the stadium.

    This loss and road trip has sealed the fate of the Yankees for the year. You can see it on the faces of the players, they know they can’t pull this one out. It is unfortunate but sometimes it is a good thing.

    Hopefully they will get the younger players some time and send a message to the old veterans that the unemployment line at Yankee stadium has just gotten longer.

  538. AD August 13th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    This team needs a guy like Manny. I understand not bringing Bonds to NY, but this team is desperate for a consistent run producer.

  539. Mister Moe August 13th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Why the f**** didn’t rasner come out to pitch the 6th ??

    And giese if something hurts you why are you pitching to the next batter, your trying to help the team? look what you just did to us.

    Think the team is tired? the looked tired all year long.

    Now lets sit and watch robertson get lit up.

    After the boss cleans up the aged and unproductive roster can they clean up our radio broadcasting crew?

  540. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    “For a guy who trust his pitchers so much, Why didn’t Girardi leave Rasner for 1 more inning? Our manager is a real dumbass.”

    Could be that Rasner has had a problem with a blister on his finger and Girardi didn’t want to push much beyond what he had done. Maybe Rasner told Girardi that the finger was starting to bother him. I don’t think Girardi has shown any kind of indication of pulling pitchers too soon!

  541. Craig August 13th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    This is a fundamentally poor team. Non-believers of the little things needed to win. Big innings or no innings. No understanding of what it takes to put another team away.

  542. Robbie Cano - dont cha know he's gotta go! August 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    This is gonna be f’ugly.

  543. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    At least I started Delmon Young for my fantasy team the past 2 games.

  544. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    I blame Pudge. He called the pitches that got Geise hurt.

  545. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    see ya.. girardi is gonna kill his yankee career as a manager because he thinks way to much and does not rely on his insticts..

    good bye yanks,, and say hello to some good september call ups getting some serious playing time…

    sad to say in the last year of the stadium we will finish third in the american league east..

    what a joke!!1

  546. Tim August 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    They really missed an opportunity to off load these guys last month.

  547. TurnTwo August 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    “Exactly which big games has he pitched?”

    he was solid for the Mets in their 2006 NLCS run, and has a great records against the Yankees, Braves, and Phillies…

    he’s pitched on bad teams and non-playoff teams for the majority of his career, but when the Mets have needed him to get a win, to stop a streak or win a series, he’s been money.

    idk how many Mets games you watch, but i do watch my fair share. i just like his stuff. when he’s bad, he can be really bad.

    but when he’s good, which recently has been more often than not, he’s been really good.

  548. Andrew August 13th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    What appears to be Giese’s injury?

  549. Rafael August 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    DP here

  550. 4 Train UT1 August 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Cano’s lackadaisical play is the reason I liked having Alberto Gonzalez around. Alberto’s presence lit a fire under Cano and there was always a threat of being benched.

  551. Lou in SoCal August 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    I think we should just chant Yankees Suck at our home games. Maybe somebody will take the fans serious.

  552. 86w183 August 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Giese looked stiff as a board. He should have told the team if he wasn’t feeling right, but it’s really unfair to ask him to pitch out of the pen after just three days rest from his longest outing as a Yankees when you plan on having him start again on Tuesday… that’s stupid.

    Abreu running wasn’t that bad… its only the sixth inning and Giambi is more likely to hit a single than a HR. That said, he doesn’t get a good job, so he only succeeds when the opposing catcher stinks.

  553. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Sj44,

    CB made a very good post yesterday detailing how luck plays into Cano’s struggles this season. Essentially CB pointed out that Cano’s batting average on balls in play (BABIP) this year is .268. In the previous 3 seasons Cano’s BABIP has been .318, .359, .329 so .268 is way out of line with his career average.

    You could argue that Cano is making less contact and hitting less line drives but that is not true. He is hitting a higher percentage of line drives then he did last year (19.8% this year, 16.9% last year). 19.8 LD% is right in line with 2005 and 2006 as well.

    His walks and strikeouts are about the same or a bit better then in previous years so its not like he’s striking out a lot.

    Obviously luck has nothing to do with fielding miscues.

  554. pat August 13th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    “What appears to be Giese’s injury?”

    He pointed to the same place Joba did.

  555. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    This shouldn’t be much of a surprise.

    Ownership has clearly given up on the team.

    Not only by not getting another starter but also by Hank’s “Next year” comment.

  556. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 13th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    What appears to be Giese’s injury?

    He received a phone call from Carl Pavano.

  557. Josh August 13th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Geez when the Yanks play, every one gets hurt.

  558. DFox August 13th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Unbelievable. Robertson is in such a rhythm and this happens. Can’t catch a break today.

  559. Betsy August 13th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Not sure how wise it was to bring in Geise, but I feel badly for him. How many chances is he going to get? This season stinks and I can’t wait for it to be over.

    The Yankees had better not think about bringing Hughes up a start too early because of this injury.

  560. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    That was phenomenal.

    Anyone who doesn’t remember Delmon Young, he was the 4th draft pick in the majors. I remember him watching when he played for the Rays and he had a ton of power.

    The kid is scary.

  561. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    what’s the on-field delay?

  562. pat August 13th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Lou in SoCal

    Fans who chant their own team sucks shouldn’t be taken seriously.

  563. Will August 13th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Girardi is terrible with these pitchers, and they complained about Torre.

    Ask the Marlins what he did to their young guys, he single handledly injured Anibal Sanchez for a year and a half.

    This team is terrible, old lazy, non-clutch.

  564. andrew33 August 13th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    That is unfortunate about Giese, called up … took the stadium tour, has done a good job starting/relieving, great home-coming for him at least in LA … its that type of year

  565. Betsy August 13th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Please don’t tell me Robertson is hurt

  566. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    I think Pete ought to have a contest to see who can pitch for the Yankees on Tuesday. That may be better than the choices the Yankees have right now.

    Geez, can anybody stay healthy on this team. Unreal.

  567. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    What is the on field delay?

  568. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    What’s going on?

    Is there a delay or am I frozen again?

  569. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Ray – HP Ump got a foul ball in the mask and had to leave.

  570. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Delmon Young is from Oxnard Ca. About 12 miles from me yes he was a very good prospect.

    He will never meet his potential because he has no plate discipline.

    good player like many many other players but nothing special..

  571. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Ump hurt.

  572. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Get the ump off the field and continue.

  573. Vrsce August 13th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    I blame the ball, it just begs the Twins to hit it but ducks every yankee bat, Damn ball.

  574. pat August 13th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    HP umpire hurt

  575. Josh August 13th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    An umpire took a foul right off his mask. He looked a bit shaken up and left the game.

  576. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Just let Pudge call balls and strikes himself on the honor system. Come on!

  577. PBL August 13th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    would this have been giese’s throw day? that might be why girardi brought him in. torre did this with pettite a few times last year. ray blay the delay is because the home plate umpire got hit with a foul ball and he is hurt

  578. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    The Padres are expected to significantly cut their payroll from this year’s Opening Day salary total of $74 million, as owner John Moores is going through a messy divorce that has even caused conflict when it comes to who has the right to sit in the owner’s box at Petco Park.

    Could we get Adrian Gonzalez from them?

  579. 4 Train UT1 August 13th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    If Giese had a supposed pitch count of 85 on Saturday, then what the hell is he doing out there on three days rest today. Strange. Puzzling.

  580. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Wait, I thought Young struck out swinging as the last on-field play… was the foul ball part of Young’s AB?

  581. Robbie Cano - dont cha know he's gotta go! August 13th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    do they have a “back up” umpire? or do they continue with one less umpire?

  582. pat August 13th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Are A-Rod, Mauer and Morneau comparing life lines on their palms? Maybe wealth lines? A-Rod wins. :smile:

  583. El Guapo August 13th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Only benefit at this point to this dismal season is that hopefully they will not force either Matsui, Hughes or Joba back, and let them heal properly for next season. If Girardi brings any of them back, it will just be further proof that he is not fit to manage this team (as if I needed any more!).
    And yes, a terrible break for Giese.

  584. Joe Monte August 13th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Ahhh, Matsui! Good to hear.

  585. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Ray no the count is 1-2 on Buscher.

  586. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    El Guapo, I don’t think that’s Girardi’s sole decision

  587. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    How long does it take to get this umpire off the field and start playing again?

  588. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Hmmm… Gameday decided to ignore the next at-bat, I guess…

  589. El Guapo August 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Ray,

    Perhaps, but in any case, with the team out of the race, I would think it would be extremely shortsighted of the organization to bring them back. Or maybe just to be game-tested, but without any pressure.

  590. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    That kind of did cross the plate. Not that it matters now.

    The beautiful sac fly. How I love the sac fly.

  591. TKinDC August 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Patrick –

    It slowed things down when they tried to chopper him out.

  592. CB August 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    “Could we get Adrian Gonzalez from them?”

    He’s signed to a very favorable contract. It’s unclear if San Diego is going to go into out right rebuilding mode and break down the team or if they are just going to try to decrease salary and continue to try to do what they’ve been doing.

    If they do decide to move him they’ll want a lot back in return. I’d guess they’ll start with asking for Hughes.

    Kevin Towers may or may not be back as the GM next season. I think that’s the first thing that’ll need to get straightened out for them.

  593. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    First pitch, the new ump blew strike 3. Had the entire corner. Next pitch? SF.

    Fundamental baseball, something the Yankees can’t do, and a new HP ump, cost them a run there.

  594. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    WTF? Why not throw to 3rd base?

  595. frits August 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    At what point do Eiland and Long start to feel pressure for this debacle of a season?

  596. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Well thank god for that, only 1 that’s a victory IMO.

  597. pat August 13th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    “How long does it take to get this umpire off the field and start playing again?”

    1st base ump had to put the chest protector and shin guards on under his clothes.

  598. CaptainsCorner August 13th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Ofcourse AAA Busher can get a runner in from 3rd but everyone on this team making $20m can’t.

  599. kidjock August 13th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    he’s been calling that pitch all game and on 1-2 he doesn’t ring him up?

  600. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    WHAT! Bring Matsui back. he’s missed enough time.

  601. Andrew August 13th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Nice job by D-Rob. He’s got some guts–he took one for the team Saturday, but he’s also gotten out of some sticky situations while he’s been up in the bigs. The onus is on the offense again.

  602. jay destro August 13th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    i am listening to the game on xm which gives me the minny feed. one of them said, “with the yankees playing this poorly, they really don’t deserve to be in a pennant race.”

    you know it’s hard to disagree. they are making bonehead plays and simply look lazy.

  603. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    “First pitch, the new ump blew strike 3. Had the entire corner. Next pitch? SF.

    Fundamental baseball, something the Yankees can’t do, and a new HP ump, cost them a run there.”

    Yes, yes, and yes.

    Sigh.

  604. 34hughes August 13th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    no we trade cano for peavy

  605. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    “Could we get Adrian Gonzalez from them?”

    He’s signed to a very favorable contract. It’s unclear if San Diego is going to go into out right rebuilding mode and break down the team or if they are just going to try to decrease salary and continue to try to do what they’ve been doing.

    If they do decide to move him they’ll want a lot back in return. I’d guess they’ll start with asking for Hughes.

    As they should. That guy is a stud in that ballpark. Imagine what he would do at Yankee Stadium?

  606. 89 August 13th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    STrike 3? jesus

  607. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    You mean you can score a run while making an out?

    Really I have not seen the Yanks do that this season.

    It may be time to call up Melancon or Hughes?

    I have not seen a fly ball to the outfield with less then 2 outs is that a rule change in baseball?

    Damon with a stupid play to add to the list but it did not hurt…

  608. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Why should Eiland get heat? The pitching has been more than fine this year. Especially, considering the injuries.

    I don’t think Long should get heat either. Its not his fault his lineup is littered with underachievers.

    The fault lies in the players. They play the game.

  609. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    There is no “could be a strike” there. It WAS a strike. It got the corner of the plate. That’s a flippin strike.

    And it would have been the out.

    At this point we need every “not run” we can get.

  610. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    This is familiar. Six innings, three hits, opponent a pitcher with an era over 4 (usually this happens when it is over 6, but still).

  611. Rafael August 13th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    C’mon X!

  612. CB August 13th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Robertson did a nice job there. He’s had some rough spots in the bigs but he’s still learning how to adjust to the majors. He only spent 1.5 seasons in the minors. Moved very fast.

    Getting out of spots like that while only giving up 1 run on a sac fly is exactly the kind of thing that helps a young pitcher develop.

    He’ll be a valuable reliever for them. Might not be a shut down type guy but he’ll be a good middle reliever, at least.

    The pitching has done it’s job in this game for the most part. The bats…

  613. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    can they pop out another ball today?

  614. Skippy August 13th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Yesterday Pete described this as the worst road trip since the Joads went to California. I think we’ve passed that and are now in Donner Party territory.

  615. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    4 base runners today.

    Geez, do these guys know the plane won’t leave without them?

  616. PBL August 13th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    frits, i don’t think eiland is going to see a lot of pressure, our pitching has actually performed pretty well this year when you consider all the injuries we have dealt with. long might, but the thing is the team set a record for runs scored last year under him, so my guess is he’ll get a pass. The guys who should worry are meacham and rob thompson.

  617. 89 August 13th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Disagree — to some extent..

    Gotta agree with Pete here and say the third base coaching has been absolutely awful.

    Eiland/Long/Girardi get good grades from me. Meacham. no.

  618. ZMAN7777 August 13th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Skippy — nice one!

  619. CaptainsCorner August 13th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    The Yank lineup does not even look like they have a pulse. I would question if they are even trying today…

  620. El Guapo August 13th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    All I know is that heads need to roll. Many possibilities everywhere and a lot of blame to be laid around, but I hope that we see a fresh “new look” Yankee team where they can hopefully bring the average age to below 30.
    And I am starting to believe that Cano has to be used as trade bait.I liked the guy but lately, he has been horrible.

  621. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Bench him. Bring up someone who cares.

  622. Rafael August 13th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    cano just swing on a Ball 3

  623. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    cano under 300 OBP again, yeah he is great..

    the balding midget in boston is much better then this joke..

    could you imagine the midget in boston doing the stupid things robinson does??

    what a waste of talent.. Maybe he can get a brain transplant..
    he is stealing money from the Yanks…

  624. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    I talked to a scout friend of mine who was at Hughes’ start last night. He felt Hughes needs one more start.

    Liked what he saw but thinks he needs to get his stamina up a little more before going to the Yankees. In his opinion, he feels that another 85-95 pitch effort would help him in that regard.

    I think that 8/23 game in Baltimore is the more likely time for Hughes to start for the Yankees.

    I give Phil a lot of credit for working this hard to be this close to returning. Hopefully, he gets a shot at starting some games before the season ends.

    If the Padres are looking to deal Adrian Gonzalez, I’d start with Cano and see if that wets their appetite.

    Its certainly a good starting point.

  625. PAT M August 13th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Fine effort by Robertson

  626. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Is there a joke that we haven’t been clued in about that involves having a pitcher be forbidden from throwing over twelve pitches an inning?

  627. Josh August 13th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Wait so does this mean Geise is not starting?

  628. ZMAN7777 August 13th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    It’s going to be a very long 6 1/2 weeks until season’s end. To keep fan interest high, I propose having Justin Christian race various animals around the bases during the seventh inning stretch of home games.

  629. Matt August 13th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    There is no more “well this team might look flat if they don’t score…” THEY ARE FLAT. THEY ARE LIFELESS. THEY HAVE NO FIGHT, NO GRIT, NO HEART.

    This is not anything new. They are giving away another winnable game by playing like crap when their pitching actually wasn’t bad.

    But what’s new with this team? There comes a point where you stop making excuses. THEY ARE AWFUL. Period. They have nothing. It’s not the injuries. It’s the PLAYERS PLAYING HORRIBLY. They would have won despite the injuries if they just showed up and played like they weren’t little leaguers once in a while.

    If they lose this game and have a 3-7 road trip, they are pretty much done. Boston is not going to lose 10 games in a row and let them back in this. You can’t give away game after game and expect to make the playoffs. They had their chance this year and blew it, and now they’re done and buried by their own performance.

    Turn 3-7 into something like 6-4 and they’re right at the top of the wild card standings.

  630. bphill August 13th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    son of a b.

  631. G. Love August 13th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Nice pick by Cano. He should play in the NBA.

  632. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    HAHAHAHAHAHA that’s unbelievably funny as hell WHAT A JOKE MELKY AND CANO ARE

  633. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Cano and Cabrera…..perfect symbolism for this entire season. Nothing more needs to be said.

  634. CaptainsCorner August 13th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Melky and Cano= DUMB AND DUMBER!!! What useless *****. They are emabrrassing.

  635. Zooboy August 13th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Cano and Melky together — perfect!

  636. blackdragon905 August 13th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    AHHHH i hate cano and cabrera right now

  637. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    That’s why we keep his sub-.300 OBP bat in the lineup, because of his great D … I think.

  638. 34hughes August 13th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    i reply again trade cano for peavy

  639. Frankie Yankee August 13th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    This team is really a waste of talent, I can’t get over how many mental errors they have made so far this year. Stupid base running mistakes, not throwing to the correct base, not getting out of each others way, a terrible third base coach. These are not Joe Torre’s Yankees… I though Girardi was a supposed to be more vocal on these issues. There is no passion with this team. How many get-away days have they lost?

  640. Matt August 13th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Cano and Melky = BENCH

    Stop appeasing people and make some sense of accountability om thios team.

    Let them celebrate their excellent performance together in the clubhouse while their team goes out and wins a ballgame.

  641. mel August 13th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    SJ,

    LOL. Good analysis, but it’s “whets”.

  642. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    If the Padres are looking to deal Adrian Gonzalez, I’d start with Cano and see if that wets their appetite.

    Not if it’s for cost cutting.

    Gonzalez is only playing under a 4/$9.5 mil. contract.

  643. El Guapo August 13th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    SJ

    It is indeed unfortunate that Hughes worked so hard to come it at what will, with all likelihood be a meaningless point in the season. But maybe he will get his groove back and reach his potential for ’09

  644. JR August 13th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Last time I saw this kind of baseball coach took everybody for sno-cones when they were done

  645. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    “I would question if they are even trying today…”

    I don’t know if I question whether they are trying. Maybe I question whether they are so frustrated at this point that is has affected their ability to play good sharp heads-up baseball.

    I know nobody wants to hear that but despite what you get in your paycheck it is possible to feel so overwhelmed, especially when you have underperformed according to expectations – no matter the circumstances – that you get in a zone that you just aren’t doing anything right.

    I actually believe that is what you are seeing much more than seeing players who don’t care. Sometimes being human isn’t optimal…

    ;)

  646. Joe Monte August 13th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    “i reply again trade cano for peavy”…yeah, and we’ll give the Padres a bucket of balls with Cano…this board can be out of control some days.

  647. j August 13th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    cano is just awful.

  648. Don Pratt August 13th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    What did Melky do wrong on that play except hustle. It was Cano who carelessly stayed in his way when called off. Cano needs to find some pine pronto. How can any player on this team respect Girardi when he lets Cano get away with this Manny-like behavior?

  649. CB August 13th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    “Imagine what he would do at Yankee Stadium?”

    You can get a sense of that by looking at his OPS+ which adjusts for the ball park you play in.

    Petco is a pitchers park. Yankee stadium is roughly neutral.

    Gonzalez has a OPS+ of 135 this season as a 26 year old. Last season his OPS+ was 125 and year before 127.

    Those are very good numbers for a first baseman. Not great. For comparison Mark Teixeira has an OPS+ of 140 this year. Nady an OPS+ of 150. Lance Berkman an OPS+ of 171.

    Gonzalez is a very good player. He’d be a strong on the yanks. With all trades it depends on what you want to give up for him and how much you value him versus other alternatives.

    But it’s not likely he’d be a truly great player (like Berkman, Pujols, Manny) even if you took him out of Petco.

  650. G. Love August 13th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    The good thing about that play is it proved that Melky and Cano don’t share any sort of telepathic connection.

  651. Rafael August 13th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Pudge
    Betemit
    Cabrera

    he next batters…sounds like a wasted inning

  652. CaptainsCorner August 13th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    I think Eiland has been great this year. Meachem definitely has to go. He looks like someone they just picked up off the street and asked him to coach 3rd base. As crazy as it sounds most of there loses this year have been because of the hitting not the pitching. Just like todays…. The hitting has been brutal like we all know.

  653. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    NOW will you Melky haters face reality? He’s the best.

    The question now is, what cap will he wear into the Hall of Fame. The way people go on here, I think it might not be a LoHud cap.

  654. 86w183 August 13th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Robinson… when you are called off a fly you GTFOOTW!!!

    Amazing!

    As for San Diego… if they do dramatically cut payroll they’ll start with not pickingup Giles’ option. Maddux and his $ 10 mill will be hard to move, but PEavey would generate a ton of interest. Gonzales, even though he’s arbitration eligible would still be pretty cheap for one more year. My guess is they’d try to tie Iguchi’s awful contract to any deal.

  655. Zooboy August 13th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    JR — no sno cones for the Yanks this year, that’s been Giradi’s big culture change. Dumb, lazy play in the field and on the base paths is apparently tolerated. But no junk food, that is a no-no for major league ballplayers.

  656. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    “What did Melky do wrong on that play except hustle.”

    Melky did nothing wrong on that play. Except his name is Melky. That changes everything…

  657. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    so they mailed in 2 games against slowey and the other rookie pitcher.. at least this game may take 1 hour with the ump delay.

    they are battling, tough AB’s left and right…

    Thank g-d I did not see Cano/Melkys play last inning…

  658. j August 13th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    did someone just get a hit? what a precious commodity.

  659. Last year at Yankees Stadium and we wont play in Oct. (hope i am wrong) August 13th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    I think we need to get a NEW GM Manager They both lost the fire it takes to manage the NEW YORK Yankees! and bring Torre back only thing wrong he done was keep the yankees in the playoffs year after year Hope Dodgers win the whole damn thing..

  660. Josh August 13th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    I cannot stand Cano. I would rather see Pedroia out there playing. That kid will lay out for any ground ball – I don’t think I’ve ever seen him come out of a game with a clean uniform. He also doesn’t sulk and complain. He played the last month or two of the 07 season with a broken hand.

  661. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    At what point does the manager/front office just get embarrased by what these clowns do on the field?

    Quittting like this should be unacceptable.

    And don’t try to tell me they haven’t quit.

  662. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    You know what I would do if I was the Yankees re: Cano?

    I would put him on waivers and make sure they leak to the media they have done it. I would also leak to the media they are negotiating a trade for him.

    They will pull him back obviously and not trade him now. However, I would make it known publicly how disgusted you (the Yankees) are with his play this year and make sure he reads it. That’s one way of getting a message to him.

    Its the focus, or lack of it, more than the results with him.

    The results would be a helluva lot better if the focus was better. He is wasting some unbelievable talent.

    Bob,

    True but, if the Yankees pick up some of the tab, you can make it work. They certainly have the means to do so.

    Probably unlikely since Gonzalez is a SD native and the face of the franchise.

    But, one could hope! lol

  663. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    WTF Joe are you asleep or on crack, where the hell is Jeter?

  664. DFox August 13th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Can’t Jeter pinch hit????

  665. Ronald McDonald August 13th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    (slits wrist)

  666. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    “If the Padres are looking to deal Adrian Gonzalez, I’d start with Cano and see if that wets their appetite.”

    They won’t be. They have him signed thru 2011 for $13.25M.

  667. j August 13th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    thank you. someone needs to make cabrera sit.

  668. mel August 13th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Cabrera up in a key situation?

  669. Jeter's Future Wife August 13th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    hey all – just got back from lunch, looks like the pitchers can’t stay healthy! wtf?

  670. Joeshi! August 13th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    yay pinch hit for melky!

    to bad all we have is sexton

  671. CaptainsCorner August 13th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Thank you a pinch hitter for the pitcher..Sexson can’t hit but atleast he is better then Melky. Not that..that says much.

  672. Paulie D August 13th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    From Peter Gammons today:

    “I get the distinct impression that the Yankees are looking at the rest of this season the way the Red Sox looked at Sept. in 2006, which is a time to build and develop their young pitchers and find out what they have before the offseason.”

    natch

  673. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    I meant 3 hours.

    Sexson is the move they need to make regardless of the outcome.

    melky right handed is painful to watch and very unrpoductive.

    Cano’s brain lock has no outcome on the game!!!!!!!

  674. DFox August 13th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    I would actually feel better here with Mike Mussina pinch hitting. He rarely strikes out and could probably dunk in a little base hit. They just need to turn it over to the top of the order. Mussina is sitting on the bench doing nothing, and instead Richie “K” Sexson is pinch hitting.

  675. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Giese has an injured neck/shoulder? what does that even mean?

  676. Don Pratt August 13th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    You know, by all accounts, Jorge Posada is an intense individual on the bench and in the clubhouse. He’s been described as such and you can also see it when he gets a big hit, there’s never any fooling around or jumping all over Jorge, there is just too much respect/fear there. Maybe not having him on the bench is kinda like not having the teacher in class for a lot of the players. I doubt very much any of the remaining team “leaders” like Jeter, Arod or Giambi hold much if any sway with any of the other players on the roster, they seemed to be more like friendly older brothers than fearsome father figures. Jorge was the guy who kept everyone in line.

  677. Jeter's Future Wife August 13th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    reports say Geise injured neck/shoulder

  678. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Please tell me he’s pinch hitting for Future Bernie.

    Heck, let the batbaoy hit.

  679. Robbie Cano - dont cha know he's gotta go! August 13th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    gameday is frozen. argh! last thing it says is that pudge got a single…

    what did betemit do?

  680. 86w183 August 13th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    OOPS… didn’t check on Gonzales’ contract… Would love to see what it would take for him and Peavey… Joba might be the only arm I would leave out of that ocnversation.

  681. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Bob,

    I think they (management) is already there.

    However, what can you do? Can’t make anymore trades until the off-season.

    You can yell at them but, as Jim Leyland said in an excellent story when talking about Gary Sheffield yesterday, yelling isn’t a solution.

    They are stuck. They just have to suck it up until the season ends, and they remake the team.

    Its why I believe we will see more turnover in the off-season than folks may think.

    Nobody with the Yankees are happy with the way things are going.

  682. Jeter's Future Wife August 13th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    come on Big Sexy!

  683. j August 13th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    he got a fat fastball and nothing

  684. Joeshi! August 13th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    at least it wasnt a dp

  685. DFox August 13th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Mike Mussina could have put together a much better at bat than that… For that matter, any pitcher on the team could have.

  686. Jeter's Future Wife August 13th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    well, at least he has a nice nickname! 1 out

  687. rconn23 August 13th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    How can Melky screw this up? Let me count the ways.

  688. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Thank god we got sexson for those lefties

  689. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    I hope you’re right SJ.

    Although I’m not as optimisitic as you are about a big turnover.

    There’s a lot to turnover in one offseason.

  690. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    “And don’t try to tell me they haven’t quit.”

    Okay. Just like you didn’t want to be told Ponson would get to pitch again Bob?

    Since your judgment on that didn’t turn out to be too good I think I’ll tell you I don’t believe they’ve quit. I do believe they are feeling phenomenally frustrated and overwhelmed. Sometimes that can mimic quitting, especially in the end result of what you see.

  691. Bronx Jeers August 13th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    “I think Pete ought to have a contest to see who can pitch for the Yankees on Tuesday”

    I don’t know anything about Tues but as long as they’re almost toast they might as well have some fun. My fantasy game pitcher would be Zambrano but it has to be in the Bronx.

    It will be called Mets Fan Revenge-Tomato Giveaway Night. All fans wearing a Mets jersey get in for free and receive a basket of rotting tomatoes. Make Zambrano pitch until the verbals and the tomatoes reach unbearable levels and he actually breaks down in tears and runs off the field never to be heard from again.

    Later, in an act of gratitude, they trade us Johan in exchange for Melky, IPK, Betemit and Abreu.and also Giambi. and they eat two years of Santana’s salary. and Pedro becomes our bullpen coach. and they have to fire Omar hire Willie for GM. And then we trade Cano for Wright who will play 2nd. And then……

  692. Last year at Yankees Stadium and we wont play in Oct. (hope i am wrong) August 13th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Does anyone have a big hit left in there bat??? dang someone Suit up Paul O’niel

  693. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    They should’ve just had Melky stay and bunt

  694. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    What’s going on?

    I guess the guy running gameday keeps falling asleep during this riverting game.

  695. djsunyc August 13th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    trading cano this winter is shortsighted.

    that would be called “SELLING LOW”. especially on the first year of a big deal.

    he has too much talent to trade…so you work WITH him and try to get his head right.

  696. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Wow Johnny looked safe to me.

  697. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    We’ll not get any runs, what a surprise..

  698. PBL August 13th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    86w183, do you seriously think the padres are going to trade both peavey and gonzalez to us? for a package that doesn’t include joba?

  699. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    These guys will get so booed this weekend in NY.

  700. CB August 13th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    There’s going to be massive change on this team in the off season. Not so much on the pitching staff.

    But of the 12 position players over half could be different next year.

  701. j August 13th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    2 bad umpire calls

  702. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Another crap call!! Ugh.

    Of course Melky would have slid into safety.

  703. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    And Bobby Abreu hits a home run!
    Oh, wait…

  704. blackdragon905 August 13th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    he was safe, unbelievable, we never get the benefit of a big call

  705. S.A.-I want to believe in this team, but they make it hard to do so. This offense is still offensive. August 13th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    c’mon Bobby

  706. Bah August 13th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    The umpire calls this season have been ridiculous. Damon was safe.

  707. G. Love August 13th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    You know how to get Cano’s head right?

    Cut it off and surgically attach Ryne Sandberg’s.

  708. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    I’m only following on gameday, what did Cano/Melky do?

  709. Last year at Yankees Stadium and we wont play in Oct. (hope i am wrong) August 13th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    what are the chances bobby would even Swing?

  710. Robbie Cano - dont cha know he's gotta go! August 13th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    gameday stinks.

    so does this offense.

  711. bphill August 13th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    how do you score that? anyone know?

  712. Joeshi! August 13th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    lol a run on a strike out, the only way the yanks can get a run

  713. Hopefully Melky will catch fire. Not his bat, HIM. August 13th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Can A-Rod do it again?

    HELL NO!

  714. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Mauer felt sorry for us, Alex will just ground out to 3rd no worries people.

  715. Josh August 13th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    So the only way we can score a run is a strikeout on a wild pitch? That’s just sad.

  716. DFox August 13th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Finally, the Yankees get a break, and now they get another one in the fact that A-Rod doesn’t have to face Joe Nathan…

  717. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    So we would have had bases loaded one out instead of 2nd and 3rd two out without the WRONG call by the ump who also “allowed” the sac fly that scored the 4th run, meaning we’d now be down by one run instead of two.

    You really don’t need crap calls anytime, but especially not when you’re scuffling for runs!

  718. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    “There’s going to be massive change on this team in the off season. Not so much on the pitching staff.

    But of the 12 position players over half could be different next year.”

    What do you think will change CB? I think Abreu and Giambi are definitely gone, Melky probably won’t be the starter. Outside of those changes I’m not sure what else will be different.

  719. kidjock August 13th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    terrible call by the back-up ref. it works for the Yanks. A-Rod in a clutch situation. TERRIBLE call by the home ump.

  720. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    This is it.

    Won’t beat NAthan in the 9th.

  721. Bryan (Yankees fan) August 13th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    here it comes the big whiff

    or maybe he will go the ground out to third route

    or even better the infield pop-up

    take your pick

  722. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    “trading cano this winter is shortsighted.

    that would be called “SELLING LOW”. especially on the first year of a big deal.

    he has too much talent to trade…so you work WITH him and try to get his head right.”

    That’s what I don’t get.

    Kemp? Adrian Gonzalez?! Jake Peavy?!?! No way do the other teams make those deals.

    If you want to trade Cano just to get rid of him, you ain’t getting top dollar back.

    Good thing the geniuses here ain’t in the front office.

  723. Dan August 13th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    LETS GO YANKEES!!!

  724. Robbie Cano - dont cha know he's gotta go! August 13th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    what happened? gameday froze up.

    by the comments i’m guessing a K on a ball in dirt/wild pitch…bobby safe at first?

  725. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 13th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Sexson for Melky, bad call.

    Sexson cannot hit. At least with Melky you have the chance of a hit.

    Now Abreu strikes out.

    Girardi, seriously???????

    Managerial ineptness has carried over to the players.

    This team…. there really are no words for this team. Well none that can be posted on this blog.

    back to back singles and now a void the size of the grand canyon.

  726. Bronx Jeers August 13th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    haters on standby?

  727. Last year at Yankees Stadium and we wont play in Oct. (hope i am wrong) August 13th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    maybe this is what the Yankees need, to start a big rally..

  728. Vito August 13th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Pete needs to call an A-bomb like last night….

  729. kidjock August 13th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Terrible call on the K. He didn’t swing, but it worked out. Ball in the dirt past Mauer

  730. Last year at Yankees Stadium and we wont play in Oct. (hope i am wrong) August 13th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    someone just tell bobby not to steal!!

  731. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    “haters on standby?”

    ALWAYS. Hopefully they will stay there…

  732. Dan August 13th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    CMON A-ROD

  733. S.A.-I want to believe in this team, but they make it hard to do so. This offense is still offensive. August 13th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    This is huge. Oh Alex. Please

  734. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    “Sexson for Melky, bad call.

    Sexson cannot hit. At least with Melky you have the chance of a hit.

    Now Abreu strikes out.

    Girardi, seriously???????

    Managerial ineptness has carried over to the players.

    This team…. there really are no words for this team. Well none that can be posted on this blog.

    back to back singles and now a void the size of the grand canyon.”

    We -actually- have someone whining about Girardi pinch hitting for Melky?

    I swear, the idiocy here never ends!

  735. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Run Bobby Run! lol

  736. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    :(

  737. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    There he is! The real A-Rod is back in full force, there was no need to worry after all.

  738. rconn23 August 13th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    I doubt they’ll be any major changes this offseason. Girardi will defend the “energy” Cabrera gives the team and we’ll be stuck with another year of a sub .700 OPS in centerfield.
    They won’t give up on Cano, even though they should. Giambi will probably be resigned, Abreu too. It’ll be the same garbage we’ve been treated to this year. Only everyone will be another year older and more prone to injury.

    I’m beginning to doubt they’ll make a move for C.C. as well. Cashman will then spout off about how the team is being financially frugal and smart not to sign a pitcher to a long term contract – about how it’s all part of “the process”.
    Meanwhile, we’ll have to depend on young pitchers again who, besides Joba, are nowhere near ready, and aging veterans who could break down at any time.

    I can’t wait for the 2009 season. Baseball fever. Catch it!

    And yes, I’m incredbly bitter.

  739. Don Pratt August 13th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    why does Arod always have to be the hero, can’t he just take the damn walk?? It’s like he’s always trying to force the action instead of taking what he’s given.

  740. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Another great job by A-Rod!!! Why is he always trying for a HR?

  741. Zooboy August 13th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    A-limp.

  742. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Who had pop fly in the office pool? Damn, i took grounder to 3rd.

  743. gayle August 13th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    fyi the US baseball game against Korea has been fantastic!!!

  744. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Really hurt by umpire calls. It could have been the game for the Yankees with the right calls. Think about it.

  745. Moshe Mandel August 13th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    rconn23, explain why they should give up on Cano?

  746. Hopefully Melky will catch fire. Not his bat, HIM. August 13th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    A-Rod hit a homer last night because he was facing the last guy Gardenhire had in the bullpen. A-Rod sucks. He pads his stats in blowouts. This is not news. You apologists need to open your eyes. The Yankees will never win while we have him batting fourth. He’s a boat anchor around the neck of this team.

  747. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    Traber time?

    Who needs a win?

    Great move Girardi!

    LOL

  748. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    “why does Arod always have to be the hero, can’t he just take the damn walk?? It’s like he’s always trying to force the action instead of taking what he’s given.”

    He was ‘given’ a strike, not a walk.

    Of course, he could have just watched a couple more pitches and taken a K looking, if you’d like.

  749. Matt August 13th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    A-Rod can’t turn around the fastball inside anymore from a righty. That’s why he’s struggling. They can easily get him out there with a hard fastball no matter what the count is. A-Rod would have put that pitch in the seats last year.

    Maybe the difference in this offense is A-ROD. When A-Rod is going well, everyone is better around him. He’s dangerous so they make mistakes to the other hitters after wearing out facing him, and him getting hits breeds confidence into the rest of the lineup.

    You can’t expect him to play like he did last year, but he’s been completely useless in the clutch this year. When your best hitter can’t get it done, it rubs off.

  750. Drew August 13th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    I loathe this team.

  751. Last year at Yankees Stadium and we wont play in Oct. (hope i am wrong) August 13th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    :( back to being depressed..

  752. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    Ah, back to Trabermetrics.

    So far so good!

  753. jonathan cl. August 13th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Umprire calls and Cano.

  754. Josh August 13th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    There were a couple calls that didnt’ go the Twins way as well. The reason we lost this game was because we have no offense.

  755. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    “Who had pop fly in the office pool? Damn, i took grounder to 3rd.”

    Same here. Oh well. I think that A-Rod, Melky and Cano are having a season-long competition to see who can pop up the most balls in hitters counts. Cabrera had the early lead but A-Rod is closing fast.

  756. mel August 13th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Raise your hand if a tiny little part of your heart was thinking Alex could make it 5-4.

  757. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 13th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    well nice try ARod.

    could have tried for a single instead of tieing the game but I understand, you need to be a hero.

    ARod don’t be a hero
    Don’t be a fool with your life
    ARod don’t be a hero
    Stop screwing around on your wife

    As he started to swing
    You knew the strike out would sting

    ARod don’t be a hero
    Regain your swing.

  758. Joeshi! August 13th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    ugh…traber….so bad

  759. Tim August 13th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    a rod sucks

  760. Someone Else August 13th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    “Traber time?

    Who needs a win?

    Great move Girardi!

    LOL”

    Yeah, he should go to Mariano Rivera!

  761. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    “why does Arod always have to be the hero, can’t he just take the damn walk?? It’s like he’s always trying to force the action instead of taking what he’s given.”

    Yeah. Take a walk and then when Giambi makes out, let the fans hammer him.

    He missed the pitch. It happens. He worked a good AB.

    We would be facing a sweep without A-Rod. Try to remember that.

  762. Last year at Yankees Stadium and we wont play in Oct. (hope i am wrong) August 13th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    just bring up all the kids.. i say put in pavano now.. why wait till he is ready.. wont be around next year anyway

  763. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Yeah, it’s all the umps fault this team blows.

    Open your eyes people.

  764. CB August 13th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    “What do you think will change”

    Just a gut sense. But I think these are the players who could be gone next year. Not saying it’s definite but just inuition:

    Giambi
    Abreu
    Pudge
    Betemit
    Sexon
    Melky
    Cano

    And possibly Damon. That’s depend on how the trade market falls out. Christian also depending on how they want the 25th man roster spot to go.

    So that’s 9 players on the roster right now I can see not being back with the team. Not saying this will happen – but I think all of moves with all of these players will be considered.

    Not saying this is what I’d do – but I think they will seriously consider trading Cano and will probably do so. Just a guess.

  765. Gary August 13th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    A-Rod is after the record of Bulbhead Bonds for every at bat.

  766. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    There is no way Giambi is back. Nor Abreu most likely.

    Don’t mistake PR babble from the manager as a sign of what off-season moves they will make.

    The owner of the team has talked of doing whatever it takes to add a “veteran pitcher” or whatever it takes to win.

    You think he means Paul Byrd?

    They have money coming off the books and more flexibility to remake the team than they have had in years. They will use it too.

    I agree with CB, there will be a lot of turnover among the position players on the roster in the off-season.

  767. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    “Raise your hand if a tiny little part of your heart was thinking Alex could make it 5-4.”

    He’s done it 545 times. The odds are pretty good.

  768. S.A.-I want to believe in this team, but they make it hard to do so. This offense is still offensive. August 13th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    **hand raised. :(

    Traber..oh lordy

  769. mel August 13th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Jesus Christ. These guys are saying we’re struggling because we don’t have guys like Mendoza and Wetteland in our bullpen?

  770. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Great, Traber is even trying to get the Yankee fans in the stands killed.

    He’s just a kid, Traber!

  771. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    I respect the way every Yankee fan feels and you all certainly have the right to feel what you do and I can see why on the face of this Yankee season you could feel the way you do.

    But as I do not feel the same negativity and don’t tend to look at everything in the same light as many of you, I am just going to take the rest of the game offline. My lousy headcold is just making it feel that much worse.

    It has really been a frustrating season, we can all agree on that.

    GO YANKEES!

    :(

  772. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    real clutch a-rod… u choke artist.. just bc u come through one night does not mean u get a pass anymore,, learn how to be clutch all the time

  773. hboemployee August 13th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    billy traber comes in to waive the white flag.

  774. D Day August 13th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    The season is over. Accept it.

  775. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Raise your hand if a tiny little part of your heart was thinking Alex could make it 5-4.

    Can you count as high as zero?

  776. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Whiff that is high quality stuff dude, you had coke through my nose with that.

  777. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    rconn23 are you taking your meds?

    Resign Giambi, no chance…

    Traber does stink the guy is a lefty specialist that cannot get lefties out.

    the twins will win 2 out of 3. morneu did nothing and Mauer took a day off…

  778. PBL August 13th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    you say a-rod sucks and everybody else needs to open their eyes?

  779. Scorpio August 13th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Someone shoot this team and put it out of it’s misery.

  780. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also put my money on Arod starting to hit again. August 13th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    “Raise your hand if a tiny little part of your heart was thinking Alex could make it 5-4.”

    That would be a yes. I was actually thinking that 4-4 would be okay…

  781. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    I don’t know how Arod gets killed and Cano defended today.

    Arod has a 3-1 pitch down the middle of the plate and swings at it. As he should. He just missed it and made an out. It happens.

    Cano makes yet another bonehead play, leading to the 3 run HR that is the difference in the game, and folks defend him.

    Am I missing something here?

  782. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    I don’t see Cano being traded. They gave him a big extension, and before this year he was an offensive centerpiece. His attitude problems are overblown because his style of play looks lazy and careless. But it’s just part of his game.

    They will hope this year was just an abberation and move on. I think the odds are good that Cano will be back to being a very productive, good-fielding 2nd baseman next year. Maybe he never becomes the 25 homer All-Star we hoped he’d be, but he’s a valuable property at the very bottom of his trade value. You don’t sell low on a player like Cano. He literally cannot get any worse.

  783. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (Latest Blog Entry: The Lost Weekend) August 13th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    We can come back in the 9th.

  784. Mark in Tampa August 13th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    The best way to get Cano’s attention will be to trade/dump his best bud Melky as soon as possible this offseason, and hope he realizes that this is a profession he needs to get serious about before he finds himself somewhere he doesn’t want to be.

  785. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    “He’s done it 545 times. The odds are pretty good.”

    Oh yeah they’re pretty good when you add in his 8000 at bats which means he hits a HR 1/15 times up and then consider his incredible .230 RISP average this year. Yep those are prime Vegas odds that I would lay down greenbacks on.

  786. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    “Not saying this is what I’d do – but I think they will seriously consider trading Cano and will probably do so. Just a guess.”

    I think all of those are possible, if not likely. I’m a big fan of Cano so I don’t think he’ll go anywhere but maybe.

    Pudge, Betemit, Sexy are all gone but Sexy and Pudge were only meant to be rentals anyways. Damon and Matsui are possibilities but I don’t think they will go anywhere. Damon has had too good a season to cut loose and Matsui was great before his injury.

    I still haven’t given up on Melky. I don’t think he’s as bad as he has shown this season. I also don’t think he’s much more than a fringe starter/fourth outfielder. He’s a very very good fielder though and that could be useful for the team going forward.

    We’ll see, there are lots of possibilities.

  787. mel August 13th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Who’s defending Cano?

  788. Whiff (Cano's bat) August 13th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    We -actually- have someone whining about Girardi pinch hitting for Melky?

    Hey tool, not whinging, disagreeing.

    pinch hit for melky is the right move. Using Sexson is the wrong move.

    So if your best option is the wrong option, you should proceed? That is logical.

  789. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    two on, no out and the only run to cross is on strike three past ball. At least they are playing small ball. really small ball.

  790. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Well guys some times you just have to tip your cap. Slowey had great stuff today. They guys are grinding.

    There, I just saved you the trouble of watching the postgame.

  791. Matt August 13th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Mauer just stole 2nd base. That’s embarrassing. This team is really out of it.

  792. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Is this Cano’s worst game in the field ever?

  793. Booooo Cano August 13th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    This game is a joke

  794. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    HAHAHAHA oh wow Betemit this is turning into 3rd grade ball.

  795. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Cano is having a MEts game when he made 3 errors in a game..

    He is literally a buffooon.

    this is the dumbest team in baseball, no doubt about it..

    these guys must watch barney and cartoons..

  796. pat August 13th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    raises hand. A-Rod and Nady clutched yesterday. Time for someone else to step up today.

  797. Mark in Tampa August 13th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    How do players like Mauer, Texeira, Garret Anderson steal successfully against the Yankees, but supposed basestealers Abreu and Jeter get thrown out 40%?

  798. Bailador August 13th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    No matter eho goes, get Larry Bowa back!!!

  799. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Nice effort to try and catch the ball when you are the guy covering on the play Robbie. What focus. What a player.

    This kid is playing himself off this team with every brain dead moment.

    What an unbelievably bad player he has become.

    At this point, my only hope for him is that he can play like a semi-functioning major league baseball player the rest of the way so the entire industry doesn’t see what a dog he has become.

  800. Andrew August 13th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    I wonder if the blog will explode if Cano makes the last out in this game.

  801. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Girardi has to go. These mistakes are inexcusable. I’ve seen better little league than this garbage.

    Let’s bring in a veteran manager that can handle both the youth and the older guys. Girardi clearly can’t handle them.

  802. blackdragon905 August 13th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    yanks don’t even know who is covering the bag, LOL its just comical right now, all u can do is laugh, ugh

  803. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    You have to address center field. With Jeter clearly in decline, and Posada no sure thing, you cannot carry offensive blackholes. The Yankees have compensated for below-average production from outfield spots because they had a shortstop and a catcher who happened to be two of the better hitters in the league, as well as a 3rd baseman who is the best player in baseball. They need legitmate power threats at the corners and a solid bat in center. And Damon is not going to stay healthy or play well as an everyday CF.

  804. S.A.-I want to believe in this team, but they make it hard to do so. This offense is still offensive. August 13th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    1 more dude

  805. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    Bob, everyone knows that that is a sad truth and that we should be past the point of ridiculing this guy already, but somehow it’s still funny that what you said was so true.

  806. MoBoy(aka McLovin) August 13th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    A-Rod Clutch?Didn’t see that in the 6th and 9th inning when there were people actually on base.

  807. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Pudge joins the CLOWN party this is absolutely sickening, they are a terrible uninterested bunch of fools.

  808. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    “Girardi has to go. These mistakes are inexcusable. I’ve seen better little league than this garbage.

    Let’s bring in a veteran manager that can handle both the youth and the older guys. Girardi clearly can’t handle them.”

    What part of him being a second year manager don’t you understand? He’s here for the long run. And I don’t see a replacement sitting out there.

  809. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    “Am I missing something here?”

    Some people expect A-rod to hit a HR in every clutch situation.

    Also just to set the record straight, Cano made a boneheaded play that might have cost NY the game but I was defending his hitting this season, not his mental mistakes.

  810. blackdragon905 August 13th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    lowell to dl, does it matter anymore?

  811. Bailador August 13th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Wait till Cano’s contract year! He’ll be GREAT!!!

  812. Vito August 13th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Whiff – you rather have melky than sexson? at least sexson only cause one out when he strikes out. melky usually drives the ball in the dirt to short when he bats right handed. sexson sucks less, girardi made the right move.

  813. Nick in SF August 13th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Andrew, I think the blog is more likely to explode if Cano hits a go-ahead homer in the 9th off Nathan. Last out would just be expected.

  814. 4 Train UT1 August 13th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Cano always showed signs of Soriano-itis.

  815. hboemployee August 13th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    bruney is the dwight schrutte of the yankees.

  816. Robbie Cano - dont cha know he's gotta go! August 13th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    “You have to address center field.”

    What about the speedy Carl Crawford? Can he play center? He’s a FA.

  817. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Bruney gets the job done. Good to see.

  818. S.A.-I want to believe in this team, but they make it hard to do so. This offense is still offensive. August 13th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Dear baseball gods-can the Yankees please score 2-3 runs somehow now? Please?

  819. CB August 13th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Patrick,

    They’re going to gut this team in the off season.

    There’s no way this 2008 team is even remotely acceptable to the front office.

    I’m sure they are seething behind the scenes. Seething. As much as the fans don’t like this team – I’d guess the front office thinks even less of them in many ways.

    But I also think they’ll continue to make rational moves to improve this team.

    Based on what hank said yesterday – which was a blatant message to CC – they are going to try to build this team next season as a pitching juggernaut.

    The position players will be changed in accordance with that.

    Just a guess – but I think they’re looking at this team as the culmination of years of bad decision making.

    They are not going to stand still.

  820. blackdragon905 August 13th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    when was the last time nathan blew a save against us, i dont remember?

  821. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    “Cano always showed signs of Soriano-itis.”

    We can only hope that Cano can be as good as Soriano has been in his career.

  822. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Cano game ending GIDP.

    Probably the easiest prediction in the history of predictions.

  823. Bill from NJ August 13th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    For those of us at work – whats the score, inning, whos on base?

  824. Bailador August 13th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    We need a manager and a 3rd base coach and a hitting coach and a pitching coach and a pitching staff and a fielding…………..

  825. Ariel August 13th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    they miss Bowa…Meacheam is an utter waste. I assume he is the coach responsible for the infielders and coordination. apparently he discharges this duty the same way he gives the go or hold sign at third base. Just write off the season, hit the free agent market bigtime (The Steinees’ certainly have the bucks…luxury tax be damned ) and get rid of the shirkers, the knuckleheads and the nishgedugedahs!!

  826. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Now the O/U on number of pitches seen by the multi-millionaires in the 9th – I’m setting the line at 9.5.

  827. Neil August 13th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Cano, Cabrera, and Betemit are not mentally tough enough for major league baseball.
    They have no business suiting up in a Yankee uniform after this dismal year that they all contributed to.

  828. Bailador August 13th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Forget it Bill you don’t wanna know!

  829. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    “when was the last time nathan blew a save against us, i dont remember?”

    Last one I remember was ’04 ALDS game 2, but that was way back when A-Rod was actually clutch in a meaningful game.

  830. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    “What part of him being a second year manager don’t you understand? He’s here for the long run. And I don’t see a replacement sitting out there.”

    The part about him being a second year manager. I still don’t understand it.

    He wasn’t even that good with Marlins.

    They wanted him for the youth but this is still a veteran team.

    I hope someone in the FO wakes up and realizes that they may have made a mistake.

  831. Mark in Tampa August 13th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Crawford is neither interested in playing center nor in leading off, which has kept the rays from being as good as they could offensively.

  832. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    lowell to dl, does it matter anymore?

    Of course it does.

    To the Rays.

  833. Matt August 13th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    NO WAY Giambi swung at the 1-1 pitch. What a joke. These umpires on this road trip have done anything they can to screw us while we’re down.

  834. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    “Oh yeah they’re pretty good when you add in his 8000 at bats which means he hits a HR 1/15 times up and then consider his incredible .230 RISP average this year. Yep those are prime Vegas odds that I would lay down greenbacks on.”

    When Barry Bonds was sticking needles in his arse, his HR/AB ratio was something like 11. 15 AB per HR is pretty damn good.

  835. Robbie Cano - dont cha know he's gotta go! August 13th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Earn your $23 million, Jason.

  836. Bailador August 13th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Neil you sound like anti dominican.

  837. Rob August 13th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Well this team blows …… but at least Jeter has an Edge …. In Blaz’n Copper no less……

  838. CB August 13th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Crawford has a team option I believe. He’s not a true free agent. The rays will pick it up.

    As it is – Crawford is not that good.

  839. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    If Girardi makes another excuse for not hitting below quality pitching, i am going to fly to new york, find him, shake him, and make him watch a cano lowlight reel.

  840. Hopefully Melky will catch fire. Not his bat, HIM. August 13th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    “Some people expect A-rod to hit a HR in every clutch situation.”

    Nope. Just occasionally. Other than him running into the last pitcher out of the bullpen last night after looking pathetic with men on base last night, when was the last time he got a big hit? It wasn’t this year. But last year, when he could opt out, yeah, he got some then. He’s pathetic.

  841. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Rocco Baldelli in CF?

  842. Bill from NJ August 13th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    yes, but i cant access gameday or anything… lohud is my only source.

    is it still 4-2 twins?

  843. Matt August 13th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    every year, we fans always say “there are going to be big changes. trade so and so…..”

    have you noticed any startling changes since, say, 04?
    no.

    this year might be different, but unless jake peavy or someone along those lines is available, you have to be kidding yourself if you think cano is leaving.

    giambi is most likely gone, i could see them letting abreu go and letting nady take his place, which would be sad to see bobby go, he’s been very productive since he got here.

    pavano is clearly gone, along with the motley crew that is their bench. kennedy might have bought his ticket out of town with a)his performance but more importantly b)his attitude.

    melky has become expendable clearly, but letting him go weakens the OF considerably.

    i cant see the yanks not making a huge run at CC, but they are gonna have to pay a ton-something they might not want to do.

  844. al arodien August 13th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Braking News!!

    NYPD are closing all bridges so no yankee fan should jump a bridge!! lol!!…….

  845. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    “The part about him being a second year manager. I still don’t understand it.

    He wasn’t even that good with Marlins.

    They wanted him for the youth but this is still a veteran team.

    I hope someone in the FO wakes up and realizes that they may have made a mistake.”

    With these guys aging as they are, it won’t be as veteran-dominated for very long.

    The Marlins had nothing in the way of proven players not named Miguel Cabrera, and he won 80 games and kept them in the chase. That’s not a reason we should be preparing the guy’s HOF plaque, but it’s a good sign, and nothing to bash.

    Girardi has made mistakes. He’s also been forced to cope with a nigthtmare of a season, and sometimes he hasn’t made the right choices. If he’s a smart and capable man, as I think he is, he’ll learn from those mistakes and go forward.

    Girardi was not brought here to “win-now” as Torre was.

  846. S.A.-I want to believe in this team, but they make it hard to do so. This offense is still offensive. August 13th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Bill-yes

  847. al arodien August 13th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    lets hope pudge will have his first big hit!

  848. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Patrick,

    I know you were only defending his offense.

    To me, its his overall game. He’s played like a dog just about the entire season.

    The one guy on this team that has not given consistent effort all season is Cano. Even Arod talks about it and Arod is a friend of his.

    Its just who he is as a player. He’s a guy that just can’t focus and bring that effort to the ballpark everyday.

    Not a bad kid. Just very immature.

    If the team is winning, you put up with it and believe he will change.

    When the team is playing itself out of playoff contention each day, and he is one of the big reasons, you become less tolerant.

    Its just good business to see if they can find a home for him in the off-season if it improves the team.

    I’m saying dump him. I’m saying trade him and improve the team.

    The more I watch him, and the more I hear how the Yankees are disgusted with his play and attitude, the more I think trading him is definitely on the table this off-season.

    Doesn’t mean they will. Just means its something they won’t discount it as they have in previous off-seasons.

  849. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    CB,

    Most of what you say is speculation but it makes sense too so I’m sure there is some truth in it.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade Damon, Matsui or both as they are aging players that represent the old philosophy. It’s entirely possible that going into 2009 Abreu, Giambi, Damon and Matsui are gone. I don’t think that will be the case but its possible.

    I’m still not convinced Robbie or Melky will be traded. They are both playing far below what they are capable of and I don’t think Cashman would sell low on the only young position players on the team.

  850. Where is the injury bug hiding? in the meachams pants??? August 13th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    SEASON OVER!! Bring up the september call ups and give them playing time!!!

  851. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Road games suck.

    That is all.

  852. al arodien August 13th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    OH my god! we lost again!

  853. JobaRules... August 13th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    This Pudge deal is really working out. Girardi must cry himself to sleep every night.

  854. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    There it is. Goodbye 2008. FINITO!

  855. Last year at Yankees Stadium and we wont play in Oct. (hope i am wrong) August 13th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    my 2 favorite yankees minor league pitchers carl pavano and Kei! 60 million wasted in the minors

  856. FergsKU August 13th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Well that was awesome.

  857. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Great effort guys!!!!!!

    Enjoy your well deserved day off!

    Don’t worry you’ll have plenty more soon enough.

    Losers.

  858. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Theeeeeee Yankees Suck..

  859. Josh August 13th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    I NEVER want to see Cano again in my life (except maybe in a Sux uniform).

    This was pathetic – five hits w/ two errors.

  860. CB August 13th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    “have you noticed any startling changes since, say, 04?”

    I guess you haven’t really noticed the bull pen or the starting rotation?

    They’ve already gutted the bull pen from last year complete. Outside of Mo and Bruney -who may not be back the pen is completely changed.

    They tried to completely change the rotation this year. They’re in the process of doing that – eventually Chamberlain and Hughes will be in the rotation.

    That’s enormous change.

    The position players will follow.

    Games like this one – the front office isn’t standing still.

    It’s just unfortunate it wasn’t until 2005 when they got serious about changing the organization.

  861. hboemployee August 13th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    marte and pudge are our gagne’s

  862. Vito August 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    You guys really need to stop trading Damon, who is your leadoff hitter then? Best hitter with risp, highest average, adequate fielder…yea trade him. maybe melky can lead off and cano can be the 3 hole hitter everyone thought he’d be.

  863. jennifer August 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    I think now might be time for the flip over the table, do you want to go to the playoffs or go on vacation early meeting. The mental errors are awful.

  864. goirish August 13th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    What a disaster. I have tix for four more games including 9/21 and I’d rather just stay home than pay the $17 for parking to watch this pathetic collection of losers go through the motions (sort of, that’s giving them too much credit).

  865. zzzZZZzz August 13th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    We have yet to see what Pudge does better than Molina.

  866. So Frustrating August 13th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Seriously? This team must be the most overpaid, lazy group of ball players. They phone in every get away game and put a lacadaisical effort on the field nearly every night. It’s almost a disservice to the fans how arrogant and carefree this team is. They all seem lost. How is this possible? What a joke.

  867. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    shocking the Yankee batters swung at balls.

    shocking that is something they have not done much this season..

    Postgame should be interesting..

    Kim Jones how about this to Girardi. Is Cano the dumbest baseball player you have ever seen or coached?

    or how about why do you have a team of chokers and guys that have no b-lls. Abreu got lucky in the 8th…

    The only thing that makes me smile is knowing we got ri of kyle and latroy and giambi, abreu(plays like he grew up in Beverly hills), and others will be leaving shortly also…

    Betemit makes like $1.6 he is not worth it he is far from a super utility guy, he will be gone next year and making a lot less money…

    this team is so unlikeable it is staggering…

  868. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Your multi-millionaires have scored 3 runs or less 50!!!!! TIMES THIS YEAR, more than 40%, that is beyond mind-numbing its EPIC.

  869. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    “I’m still not convinced Robbie or Melky will be traded. They are both playing far below what they are capable of and I don’t think Cashman would sell low on the only young position players on the team.”

    Part of the problem with old players, like Matsui and Damon, is that even when they are playing well, they are terribly injury prone and slow to heal. We’ve desperately missed Matsui. Still, Melky doesn’t exactly have Cano’s track record.

  870. andrew33 August 13th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Positives here – maybe the Twins can catch the Redsox in the wildcard race

    Lets GO TWINS

  871. Robbie Cano - dont cha know he's gotta go! August 13th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Five hits. Two errors.

    This team is not good. Goodbye Stache, Cano, Betemit, Bobby Abooboo, Melky, Sexon…

    How many days unitl pitchers and catchers report in 2009?

  872. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Well, the past few hours have been a fun way to spend our limited time on earth, haven’t they?

  873. Last year at Yankees Stadium and we wont play in Oct. (hope i am wrong) August 13th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    i think They should let Damon grow is beard again jeter also need facial hair.. maybe then they can hit..
    let the yankees use corked bats..
    someone call Balco so Jason can hit a few more homers..

    This really sucks

  874. Wangawa August 13th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Once again, this is all on the yankee offense.

    People who don’t want us to get Teixeira, are you nuts? We have no major-league ready position players in our farm system. Teixeira is also 28 years old and in his prime.

  875. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    I’m **not** saying dump him. Damn, need an editing button.

    The roster has already been turned over by 50% this year.

    I think Damon will be back. This team lacks gamers and he is one of them. I think he has played himself onto the team next year.

    They wouldn’t be selling Cano “low” if another team thinks he is a special player that either needs a change of scenery or just had a bad year or both.

    Obviously, its about who you can get back in return. If the return is solid, he’s gone. They won’t give him away but, I believe he will get offered around this off-season.

    Realistically, you could have 3 new OF’s (counting Nady to take over for Abreu) a new DH (Damon. Or, Damon goes to LF and they bring in a new DH), a new first baseman and perhaps a new second baseman.

    That’s a lot of turnover and its quite possible it will shake out that way in the off-season.

  876. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    “The Marlins had nothing in the way of proven players not named Miguel Cabrera, and he won 80 games and kept them in the chase. That’s not a reason we should be preparing the guy’s HOF plaque, but it’s a good sign, and nothing to bash. ”

    He also blew out a couple starters arms by over working them.

    The quad injuries to Arod and Jeter were a direct result from all the running he had them do pre season. There’s no other explanation for those injuries.

    If anything, Put this guy in the minors and let him try a couple seasons there.

    These guys are either not connecting with him or he’s not pressing them enough. I don’t know what it is but it wasn’t like this the past 15 or whatever years.

  877. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    If I were Cashman, I’d put the entire team on waivers tonight.

    If anyone wants one of these gutless losers they can have them.

  878. CHRIS CROCKER August 13th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    How effing dare anyone out there make fun of Melky Spears after all he has been through.!

    He lost his manager, Joe T., he got yelled at by Tony Pena. He’s in pain!

    Girardi’s turned out to be a user, a cheater, and now Melky’s going through a custody battle for centerfield . All you people care about is….. readers and making money off of him.

    HE’S A HUMAN! What you don’t realize is that Melky is making you all this money and all you do is write a bunch of crap about him.

    He didn’t play for 4 days. His name is MelkMan for a reason – because all you people want is to suck MORE! MORE-MORE, MORE: MORE on his delicious milky teats.

    LEAVE HIM ALONE! You are lucky he even plays for you BASTARDS!
    LEAVE MELKY SPEARS ALONE!…..Please.

    Pete Abe talks about statistics and says if Melky was a real centerfielder he would’ve played against Texas no matter what, and that he’s worse than Nick ‘Lachey’ Swisher!!!.

    Speaking of Pete Abe, when is it professional to publicly bash someone who is going through a hard time.

    Leave Melky Alone Please…. !
    LEAVE MELKY SPEARS ALONE!…right now!….I mean it.!

    Anyone that has a problem with him you deal with me, because he is not well right now.

    LEAVE HIM ALONE!

  879. Matt August 13th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    “have you noticed any startling changes since, say, 04?”

    “I guess you haven’t really noticed the bull pen or the starting rotation?”

    true, but those positions (especially the bullpen) are revolving doors on teams all around the league.

    i was talking more along the lines of position players, and while they are gridlocked contractually at a lot of positions, there were still opportunities to move guys

  880. Last year at Yankees Stadium and we wont play in Oct. (hope i am wrong) August 13th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    i would love to have Teixeira and Manny i dont care how bad he is in the club house the man can straight hit!

  881. Robbie Cano - dont cha know he's gotta go! August 13th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Cano for Kemp. He can play CF. Torre and Bowa can have Cano back.

  882. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    “People who don’t want us to get Teixeira, are you nuts? We have no major-league ready position players in our farm system. Teixeira is also 28 years old and in his prime.”

    I sort of agree. The only thing that makes me hesitate is his contract demands. He is going to want (and probably get) a 7 year contract. Do you really want to be paying the guy 20 mil per year in 2015 when he’s 35?

  883. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    And if Girardi wasn’t brought here to win now, than why the choice in uniform #?

    Of course he was brought here to win. that’s just ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

  884. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Ok, good news.

    182 days until pitchers and catchers report for the 2009 season.

  885. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    And if Girardi wasn’t brought here to win now, than why the choice in uniform #?

    He never said what year 27 would come.

    Just hope it’s before I get senile.

  886. G. Love August 13th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Trade Cano to the Mets. Omar will love him. He’s an Omar Minaya kind of player. Immensely talents but lacks focus and doesn’t show up to play everyday. Him and Reyes could work on a whole handshake dancing floor show routine that would be the hit of the NY.

    I want him off this team.

    If Cashman and Girardi had any set of “you know what” they would send him to Scranton and call up a quad A type like Ransom or Basak and let Mr. Smooth enjoy 15 days of the best that Scranton has to offer.

    But they can’t do that because now they have to play him in the hopes he regains even an ounce of trade value.

    If he’s on this team next year, I will be pissed.

    I haven’t seen a player dog it out there like this since Henderson.

    Can we start to say that Cano is officially “jaking” it?

  887. jonathan cl. August 13th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Cano for Kemp would be wonderful.

  888. RayBlay August 13th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    I wonder what Girardi says this time. People watching YES, keep me posted! Do you think he’ll consider holding a team meeting?

  889. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Don’t trade, but bench Cano. Bring someone up to play 2nd for a week and show Cano his contract doesn’t mean he can stand around in the field and not even try to catch the ball.

  890. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    “The quad injuries to Arod and Jeter were a direct result from all the running he had them do pre season. There’s no other explanation for those injuries.”

    Are you friggin’ kidding me? You just want to make up reasons to hate him at this point.

  891. El Guapo August 13th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    I am so disgusted with this team’s performance that just as the game was finishing I offered my doorman the tickets i have for the Boston series and the guy turned them down! I am interested in the reaction at the stadium when they come back on friday. As for me, I am done attending games for the season. I will trade my tickets for US Open tix.

  892. Robbie Cano - dont cha know he's gotta go! August 13th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    ““People who don’t want us to get Teixeira, are you nuts? We have no major-league ready position players in our farm system. Teixeira is also 28 years old and in his prime.”

    I sort of agree. The only thing that makes me hesitate is his contract demands. He is going to want (and probably get) a 7 year contract. Do you really want to be paying the guy 20 mil per year in 2015 when he’s 35?”

    Who gives a you know what about the money? This is the NY Yankees…home of the billion dollar YES Network and $3000 seats behind the dugout.

    We paid Pavano $40 million for 4 years of nothing. Igawa will cost us another $50 million or so — for a Scranton pitcher. We pay our current platooing first baseman that can’t field and can’t run and can’t hit with RISP $23MM a year.

    I’d pay Tex $20 million a year.

  893. #9 August 13th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Thank f’n God I’m going to Ireland next week for a 2 week vacation.

    Do not want to see this anymore.

  894. Last year at Yankees Stadium and we wont play in Oct. (hope i am wrong) August 13th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    lol team meeting?
    For what to tell them be on time for Fridays game? i dont think the team is listening to what Girardi is saying any more.. Lets try Tony Pena now.. Hank and Hal is 0-1 in picking managers..

  895. Bob(The Original) August 13th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    I wonder what Girardi says this time. People watching YES, keep me posted! Do you think he’ll consider holding a team meeting?

    Nope.

    They’ll all scatter like rats trying to catch their private jets home to their million dollar mansions to enjoy their well deserved off day.

    They don’t give a crap how bad they are. They still get paid.

    We’re the idots who care.

  896. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    “I wonder what Girardi says this time. People watching YES, keep me posted! Do you think he’ll consider holding a team meeting?”

    “You just have to tip your cap to them. It happens sometimes. That’s Baseball”

    That’s what he’s going to say.

    That’s what he always says.

    The players are going to say…

    “Gee it’s frustrating, we just need to play better and win some games”

    There’s your postgame report.

  897. CB August 13th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    “Cano for Kemp would be wonderful.”

    Most people on this board who don’t like Cano will hate Kemp as a player. Hate him.

    He is one of the most mistake prone players in all of baseball. But he’s also one of the most talented.

    Kemp strikes out in 25% of his at bats. I can’t even imagine how yankee fans would react to watching a young player try to develop better plate discipline at the major league level.

    Be careful what you wish for in a trade for Cano.

  898. #9 August 13th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    “Do you think he’ll consider holding a team meeting?”

    He should hold a team execution.

  899. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Yeah, Girardi is to blame for the quad injuries.

    He’s also to blame for high gas prices, the war and anything else in E-man’s world.

    Its one thing to hate the guy. Its another thing to write nonsense blaming him for things he had nothing to do with.

    The Yankees aren’t in the position they are in because of the manager. They are in the position they are in because they aren’t a very good team.

    Its baseball, not rocket science. Not much a manager can do when your team can’t hit.

    He only has 13 position players. If they can’t get it done, there is nobody else to put in the games.

  900. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    ““I wonder what Girardi says this time. People watching YES, keep me posted! Do you think he’ll consider holding a team meeting?”

    “You just have to tip your cap to them. It happens sometimes. That’s Baseball”

    That’s what he’s going to say.

    That’s what he always says.

    The players are going to say…

    “Gee it’s frustrating, we just need to play better and win some games”

    There’s your postgame report.”

    Outside of Ozzie Guillen, who is a world-class jacka$$, is there another manager that would say anything different?

  901. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    “He never said what year 27 would come.

    Just hope it’s before I get senile.”

    That is true. And Hank has been talking about Next year, I forgot.

  902. FergsKU August 13th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    If the front office does trade Robbie, are there are good FA second basemen?

  903. Capn Jetes August 13th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Time to bring up Pavano! Why didn’t Cash bring in Byrd? Bring back Shef – maybe he can wake up the offense!

  904. Dennis August 13th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Im pro-choice abort this garbage of a team.

  905. Jorge Steinbrenner August 13th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    “It’s just unfortunate it wasn’t until 2005 when they got serious about changing the organization.”

    Exactly. There’s a lot of damage to be undone here. As fans, we’ve got to stick by the organization. The losses will still hurt, but we need to see the forest from the trees.

    I have no clue what the fact that this team is so lousy AND is seven games over .500 means, if anything.

  906. Drew August 13th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Plain and simple: Aside from Professor Xavier and Molina’s Golden Arm, this team is a bunch of losers. And the injury excuse is tired. Even with them, we can still field an ABOVE AVERAGE club. Give me a break. I like Damon’s hustle though – I won’t sell him out.

  907. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    SJ44,

    How do people generally injur their quad muscles?

  908. CB August 13th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    “If the front office does trade Robbie, are there are good FA second basemen?”

    No. Not with Orlando Hudson hurt. Mark Ellis can field but really can’t hit and may resign with the A’s.

    They’d might need to get a second baseman in a trade.

  909. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    “If the front office does trade Robbie, are there are good FA second basemen?”

    Orlando Hudson, who has been frighteningly injury prone in the last few years.

  910. Chris NY August 13th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    You know how, at the end of games where we’re losing, people start booing the fans that give up and leave in the 7th or 8th inning when the game is still within reach? I was at a game earlier this year, either in the 8th or 9th inning, we were down 5 runs or so and the Yankees started pulling all their starters. That was the 1 game I gave it and said (screw) it, “if they don’t care, why should I? they’re pulling all the starters” I said to another fan that stayed..

    That’s kind of how this team is making me feel right now. If they don’t care about looking pathetic and losing everyday, why do I spend so many hours every week watching them and funding their lifestyles with my ticket and hot dog purchases?

    If Girardi, Jeter, or some ghost doesn’t wake this team up, it’s going to be one pathetic farewell to the House that Ruth built.

  911. FergsKU August 13th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    The whole “forest for the trees” concept is one that is extremely difficult to grasp. It would be one thing if we had a group of kids that looked to get progressively better. The only one we have is Joba. Who is out for the season. Our group of “kids” for the most part sans Hughes have terrible attitudes and just get worse. Then who do you root for? A group of overpaid, lazy veterans. This is an extremely difficult team to support right now.

  912. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    “. And the injury excuse is tired.”

    It’s not an excuse. I still think it’s something of a minor miracle that they managed to get 11 games over .500 with an unproven bullpen, a patch-work ace-less pitching staff, and an injured/ineffective offense.

  913. j August 13th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    i wonder what the postgame reaction will be? ” well we had a late night and didnt feel like playing much today>”

  914. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Do you really think Girardi is responsible for their injuries?

    Really, are you that ignorant?

    A lot of those injuries occur in cold weather when you make a sudden move. Ironically, that’s how both guys got hurt. Making a sudden move in cold weather games.

    Guys get hurt. Its a fact of life in sports. Girardi hasn’t had anything to do with the injuries this year.

    Its funny, Giambi and Damon, two guys who were hurt all last year, have found ways to stay healthy for the entire season. ‘Ya think coming into camp in shape played a role in that?

    I know you don’t like the guy. That’s fine but, to blame injuries on him when you have no evidence to back it up other than your hate of the guy? That’s just foolish.

  915. 86w183 August 13th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    People who question the need to sign Teixiera don’t know the game very well. Screw the money! It’s not yours… it’s OURS with every ticket, jersey and beer we buy. Even with the buyout the Yanks save $ 18.5 on thje big lummox (Giambi) which would likely suffice as a year one salary.

    Either Cano has to go or a fiery coach who will ride his butt 24/7 has to be brought in. Gee is there anyone out there who might be an improvement on Meacham? Hell is there anyone out there who wouldn’t be?

    Year one is a big mistake to make a managerial change. But it’s not a mistake to demand coaching staff changes. Torre had Bowa… Giardi better find someone with some fire in his gut.

  916. WeMissPaulie August 13th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Never thought I’d say this, but I’m over this.

    Time to think about next year, they’re just not trying anymore.

    Hope I’m wrong.

  917. Jeff August 13th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Girardi and Cashman Must Go

  918. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    SJ44,

    You dodged the question.

    How do people generally injur their quad muscles?

  919. j August 13th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    why doesnt joe start ripping some of the players? he has to if this team wants to wake up.

  920. FergsKU August 13th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Don’t know about the “fire in his gut,” but I’m quite positive that Willie Randolph is the third base coach next season.

  921. JR Yankees August 13th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Waldman just said she heard somebody in the clubhouse say…

    “Aren’t we getting tired of always tipping our cap to the opposing pitcher?”

    She claims she didn’t turn around to see who said it but I suspect she knows.

  922. #9 August 13th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    “If the front office does trade Robbie, are there are good FA second basemen?”

    At this point – I’d bring back Bert Campaneris.

  923. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    “How do people generally injur their quad muscles?”

    I think “sudden movements in cold weather” answered it quite well. And absolved Girardi.

    They are also both over 30. Leg injuries are quite common with older players.

  924. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Well another predictable dumbass philosophy filled postgame for Girardi. Pathetic.

  925. Jay Hirsch August 13th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Willie! Willie! Willie!

  926. 86w183 August 13th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Quad muscle injuries, like hamstring pulls usually occur when running… although lifting (squats) is a real possibility too

  927. mark August 13th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    We’re the idots who care.

    Yeah I wish there was some kind of pill you could take to make you stop caring. This team has ruined my life. I walk around pretty much depressed all the time. Who gets depressed over a baseball team losing? That makes me the loser.

    It’s like an alcoholic going to the bar. You know it’s killing you but you just can’t stop yourself.

  928. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    “Don’t know about the “fire in his gut,” but I’m quite positive that Willie Randolph is the third base coach next season.”

    Probably a good bet that he’ll be back in some position.

  929. JR August 13th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    If (when?) the Yankees miss the postseason, Kevin Long will be the first casuality. The dropoff in offense from last season to this season is astounding. It’s virtually the same team, but it looks like everyone got real old, real fast. Meachum and Long are on the chopping block.

    Texieria will resign with LAA, so Cash and company will go hard after Manny Ramirez, despite whatever Gammons says.

  930. Capn Jetes August 13th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Girardi is lost. He sits down Damon in the first game of this series. Continues to play Pudge over Molina. Continues to put Rivera in in non-save situations. Plus I’m sick of looking at his deer-in-the-headlights mug! Never should have gotten rid of Joe!

  931. Patrick â„¢ August 13th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    “How do people generally injur their quad muscles?”

    Running when the muscles aren’t loose/properly stretched is usually what causes those types of injuries. (Hint: cold weather causes muscles to tighten up, thus players are more at risk for quad strains while playing in cold weather.)

  932. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    “Its funny, Giambi and Damon, two guys who were hurt all last year, have found ways to stay healthy for the entire season. ‘Ya think coming into camp in shape played a role in that?”

    Really?

    Here’s the list of injuries:
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....uries.html

    Why is Jason’s name on there three times?

  933. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    “Quad muscle injuries, like hamstring pulls usually occur when running… although lifting (squats) is a real possibility too”

    Strangely, both injuries occurred outside the state of Florida.

  934. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    “I think “sudden movements in cold weather” answered it quite well. And absolved Girardi.

    They are also both over 30. Leg injuries are quite common with older players.”

    So it’s absolutely coincidence that those two suffer quad injuries the same year that they are forced to do all of these running exercises.

    c’mon.

  935. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    “Why is Jason’s name on there three times?”

    Because he’s old and fragile?

    He’s still been in the lineup quite a bit this year.

    And Damon, who acknowledged not being in great shape last year, only got hurt when he crashed into a wall. His legs have been fine.

  936. j August 13th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    giese injury sounds bad. perhaps a shoulder strain?

  937. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 13th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    “So it’s absolutely coincidence that those two suffer quad injuries the same year that they are forced to do all of these running exercises.

    c’mon.”

    Um, yeah.

    They occurred weeks after Girardi’s Spring Training bootcamp.

  938. Drew August 13th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    If you are as attentitive to every boxscore as I am, you know that the biggest bone to pick with this team has been the lack of effort and a SHRED of consistency. I’ll be the first one to offer “Kudos” to the guys who have stepped up (e.g. Moose, Rasner, Geise, Molina, Ponson, Farnsworth even). These guys all get paid more than the top 99% of people in the world, and their numbers get called for a reason, so I don’t think you can sell the “replacements” short and say we’ve overcome so much. The BIGGEST highlights of this year has been the games where our regulars have faltered (e.g. Giambi, Cano, Jeter, A-Rod) in spots where they normally wouldnt have in the past. Give it up to the guys who have stepped in to replace the Wangs, Matsuis, and Posadas, but put some accountability on our mult-multi-multi millionnaires where accountability is due.

  939. nias August 13th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    =Really hurt by umpire calls. It could have been the game for the Yankees with the right calls. Think about it.=

    A yankee loss doesn’t go by without some fan blaming it on the umps. Think about it.

    =I think Damon will be back. This team lacks gamers and he is one of them. I think he has played himself onto the team next year.=

    One can only hope. Nothing would be sweeter for non-yankee fans watching damon run around the outfield with a cane. If the yankee brain trust is that dumb, I almost feel sorry for the yankees.

  940. Jimmy Smithers August 13th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Well this is what i think,

    peter you don’t know what you are talking about. edwar ramirez should be a starter. jason giambi should play short. send damon to single a he is the worst hitter on the team. melky is the star.

  941. BYE GIRARDI August 13th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    I’m done with this team, it’s so dissapointing, Girardi and his stuff really must go. I can’t wait for football & hockey seasons.

  942. Michael T August 13th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    SJ44 said

    “Yeah, Girardi is to blame for the quad injuries.

    He’s also to blame for high gas prices, the war and anything else in E-man’s world.”

    You are right SJ. Everyone knows that those things are the fault of GW Bush. Especially the quad injuries and including Jeter falling off the Dale Murphy memorial cliff, Joba’s tendinitis, Hughes’ broken rib, Posada’s shoulder IPK’s overall girliness, and the unclutchiness of ARod/Giambi.

    Obama will make all this well in 2009.

  943. mark August 13th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    I wouldn’t want Joe Torre back for all the green tea in china. How long is Sweet Lou under contract for? I don’t know if any manager can manage this bunch.

  944. Paulie D August 13th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Only nice chip for Cash to play in the offseason is to trade A-rod. He (and he alone from among the position players) will fetch the kind of farm system stars and young pro-ready talent the Yanks so desperately need. Plus it’d be a hoot to see Goldman Sachs sh!t the bed.

    there, I said it.

    …ok, wait for it, wait for it…

  945. mark August 13th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    A yankee loss doesn’t go by without some fan blaming it on the umps. Think about it.

    Did you even watch today’s game?

    Damon even said that call at first could have changed the game.

  946. Jimmy Smithers August 13th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Paulie D,

    i agree. trade a-rod for jason varitek and tim wakefield and cash

  947. chaossolver August 13th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    I think the best name for this is care… does this team care right now? do they care about making the playoffs? or have they decided to give up?
    throughout the entire season, there’ve been problems the whole way… at least when gardner was up, he hustled his ass off; otherwise, it’s pretty much half-hearted swings all the way.

  948. mark August 13th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Obama will make all this well in 2009.

    You talking about the curse of the republicans that goes back to Eisenhower? Ha. Let’s all vote democrat for sure!

  949. Jimmy Smithers August 13th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    i think we should get mike timlin to set up he is having a sick year

  950. j August 13th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    nice comments from robby. same old stuff they have been saying all year.

  951. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    Not signing FA to be Paul Byrd, who was coming off good outings, was the indication that the front office will not be making any waiver wire claims. They will be focusing on the makeup of next seasons team.

    People have said to gut the team and start over. In reality that will be hard to do because the 2009 FA group is weak in young athletic position players. You want Adam Dunn or Milton Bradley playing the outfield? We have no major league ready players in the minor league system, other than Ben Broussard, who won’t be with the team next year, let go like Carlos Pena was let go.

    In order to trade for a quality CFer, we would have to give up quality. Instead of focusing on Matt Kemp, who strikes out every 1/4 at bats, maybe someone like Ryan Spillborghs would be a better option.

    It looks like we’ll be in the market for a top flight FA pitcher. The only ones under 30 are mark Prior, Oliver Perez and Sabathia. Ben Sheets is 30. Look for a play on CC, but will we go 7 years??

    1B: Giambi Should not come back. Let him take his overpaid 5M buyout and sign elsewhere. The Yankees might show interest in Teixeira but will not sign him as they won’t want another 7-10 year Boras contract, plus Posada might play some 1st base.

    2B: Cano will be shopped. Best FA Orlando Hudson just operated on for his non throwing left hand, and would be a gamble.

    SS: Jeter not going anywhere.

    3B: Ditto A-Rod-untradeable unless we ate half that contract

    C: Molina and hopefully Posada- don’t be surprised if I-Rod signed to one year deal.

    RF: Hope is that Abreu not resigned, if anything offered arbitration, which he likely would decline. Better yet, he should go on the August waiver wire to see what is offered.
    Nady in RF

    CF: Trade for CF, unless they sign an older player to fill in till Jackson ready.-Randy Winn? Is his arm any better than Damon’s?? Doubt it.

    LF: Damon unless lot’s of interest in trading for him. Good clubhouse guy.

    DH: Matsui, unless traded, but doubt that will happen till he shows he’s healthy.

    These are some thoughts and welcome any feedback.

  952. al arodien August 13th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Obama will make all this well in 2009.

    You talking about the curse of the republicans that goes back to Eisenhower? Ha. Let’s all vote democrat for sure!

    well that is for sure true

  953. BillyBall August 13th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Have to agree with CB!
    You don’t know what you are getting with Kemp. The Dodgers offered Kemp for Cano and the Yanks turned it down supposedly. But the thing to consider is that a potentially top rated 2nd baseman in Cano has more value than a potential top rated outfielder. I feel your gonna need more back. I would consider throwing in IPK and JB Cox and ask for Clayton Kershaw in return.

    p.s. where were all the A-Rod lovers hiding during yesterdays game prior to the big homerun? I noticed they came out right after the big HR! Where were they after Jeter grinding it out playing tough went 3 for 5? Not one comment on Jeter’s toughness! Some A-Rod lovers take Jeter for granted and keep defending A-Rod. By the way kudos to A-Rod for the big HR yesterday. And his AB’s today, hmm….. We need A-Rod if we are going anywhere this year. I hope they find heart soon.

  954. FrankDiscussion August 13th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    IMO Cano just looks a bit too cavalier in the field for my tastes. I’ve seen him make some tremendous plays, but also seen some moves from him that just appear to be a combination of poor judgement / lack of hustle. From an offensive standpoint he has tremendous potential, but he is incredibly inconsistent. One of many issues this team currently has.

  955. Jimmy Smithers August 13th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    yankee trader you are on drugs my friend

  956. BillyBall August 13th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Mark,
    you vote Democrat and keep your political agenda to yourself. My taxes are high enough pal, don’t need Obama to make them higher!

  957. mel August 13th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    3 observations:

    1. Hopefully Melky catches fire is a great handle. Really clever.

    2. SJ’s right. Time to clean house. Should’ve happened in the offseason in THAT year.

    3. Love the Kim Jones question about Cano being the dumbest player ever.

  958. sunny615 August 13th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    I’m starting to think the season is over… and it pains me to say it…

  959. Glenn August 13th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    Changes are in the air even with 42 games left to play and the players on shaky ground must clearly know it themselves. Giambi, Betemit, and Sexson are givens to be gone and it goes from there for which players are on the bubble.
    At least one coaching change will be “strongly suggested” for Girardi to make.
    September callups will get longer looks than seen in many years.
    Meetings with the hierarchy will begin sooner this year with no postseason to be concerned with.

  960. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Jimmy

    Not on drugs and hardly your friend!!

    What part don’t you agree with, or don’t you understand?

  961. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Sorry for not posting guys and gals, I had to work for real today. Oh I see we lost how predictable. I haven’t had a chance to address this point yet but Hanks statement was on point too much injury, too much inconsistency so were going for it in 09. I couldn’t agree more I see Baby boss reads my comments and I’m glad he agrees. That statement basically said CC start shopping for Westchester real estate.

  962. ohgodno August 13th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    What the Yankees need is a Sports Movie montage-esque gathering.

    Picture this:
    Instead of the day off tomorrow, Girardi requires thee team to meet up at The Stadium.

    They pile into a bus and head for a high school baseball field, have a little league style team practice and then a pickup game with high schoolers. Melky and Christian are captains and they choose teams. Moose bats cleanup. A Rod plays rightfield (since that’s where they stick the kids that suck).

    They play the game, having more fun than they’ve had since being children. All this while as the most epic montage music in the history of sports plays. Sylvester Stalone makes a cameo appearance as a bum who wakes up from his bench to the site of the Yankees playing baseball with highschoolers and remarks “whoa.”

    After the game ends in a tie (called due to darkness) the players sit on the infield around Girardi as Mrs. Girardi hands out cupcakes when the pizza is all gone. Girardi gives a stirring speech while emotional piano music plays. The team nods in recognition. After an emotional ending Girardi asks if the team feels the same way. Melky responds that his cupcake doesn’t have sprinkles on it. Oh that Melky, so much energy.

    We then cut to a montage of the Yankees destroying the league the rest of the season, interspersed with cuts from talk radio and ESPN lauding the Yankees resurgence, and their inevitable 27th World Championship.

    …..AND SCENE.

    How great would that be?

  963. 4 Train UT1 August 13th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Doesn’t Amani Toomer have a quad injury….? That has Girardi written all over it too.

    Guys breaking down with quad injuries are in their mid-30s. People critical of that occurrence probably aren’t there yet.

    Gotta love Generation Purple Dinosaur….playing baseball on a video screen, they’ll never know what a quad injury is!!

  964. #9 August 13th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    “What the Yankees need is a Sports Movie montage-esque gathering.”

    ohgodno scorcese

  965. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    ohgodno

    LMAO!! Perfect. Maybe they can roast marshmellows too!!

  966. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    “Obama will make all this well in 2009.

    You talking about the curse of the republicans that goes back to Eisenhower? Ha. Let’s all vote democrat for sure!

    well that is for sure true”

    I don’t even like Obama and I don’t vote, so I hope the masses take care of this for me. I can’t have that crotchety old D-backs fan as our prez the Yanks wont win til frickin 2012 and I couldn’t deal with that.

  967. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    “Um, yeah.

    They occurred weeks after Girardi’s Spring Training bootcamp.”

    ?????

    So?

    Why was the last conditioner fired then?

    Those injuries happened weeks after spring training too.

    Seriously?

    I guess he gets a pass in Florida too?

    wow.

  968. evan August 13th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    ohgodno, just cracked up at the office. haha

  969. thunderfangabe August 13th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    randy ruiz had some good pop when he was with the thunder a few seasons back

  970. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    “What the Yankees need is a Sports Movie montage-esque gathering.

    Picture this:
    Instead of the day off tomorrow, Girardi requires thee team to meet up at The Stadium.

    They pile into a bus and head for a high school baseball field, have a little league style team practice and then a pickup game with high schoolers. Melky and Christian are captains and they choose teams. Moose bats cleanup. A Rod plays rightfield (since that’s where they stick the kids that suck).

    They play the game, having more fun than they’ve had since being children. All this while as the most epic montage music in the history of sports plays. Sylvester Stalone makes a cameo appearance as a bum who wakes up from his bench to the site of the Yankees playing baseball with highschoolers and remarks “whoa.”

    After the game ends in a tie (called due to darkness) the players sit on the infield around Girardi as Mrs. Girardi hands out cupcakes when the pizza is all gone. Girardi gives a stirring speech while emotional piano music plays. The team nods in recognition. After an emotional ending Girardi asks if the team feels the same way. Melky responds that his cupcake doesn’t have sprinkles on it. Oh that Melky, so much energy.

    We then cut to a montage of the Yankees destroying the league the rest of the season, interspersed with cuts from talk radio and ESPN lauding the Yankees resurgence, and their inevitable 27th World Championship.

    …..AND SCENE.

    How great would that be?”

    Funniest thing I’ve ever read on here. That would be great.

  971. evan August 13th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    But seriously, thats what it has come down to. These yankees are not playing fundamental baseball and just aren’t having any fun. Maybe some tee ball and fungo drills is what they need

  972. real lousy chowdah August 13th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    The prototypical HOMER journalist . . .

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....ons_q.html

  973. Forntoso August 13th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    What is Arod’s trade value?

  974. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Its sad that the final 3 games at Fenway will likely have no meaning, when it really should have. The Yanks will be starting Razzy have, Moeller catching, the line up will include names like Shelley Duncan and Brett Gardner. What a pity.

  975. randy l August 13th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    “If I were Cashman, I’d put the entire team on waivers tonight.”

    if i were the team, i’d demand a new gm.

  976. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    “What is Arod’s trade value?”

    Wouldn’t be worth it the Yanks would have to pick up half his salary and we wouldn’t get much player/prospect wise.

  977. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Start with picking the lineup out of a hat, then watch the movie “Major League.”

  978. HR against Minny was NOT a Choke, can A-Rod keep it up ? August 13th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    …turn out the lights, the party’s over, they say all good things must end….

  979. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    I think Joel Sherman has been reading my posts:

    http://blogs.nypost.com/sports......html#more

  980. Mark in Tampa August 13th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Arod runs twice as much when he is working out on his own, so to say that some running in spring training affected him 5 weeks later doesn’t make sense.
    They didn’t even do that much running, it is just that Torres’ teams barely ran at all.

  981. Drive 4-5 August 13th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    CB,

    “Most people on this board who don’t like Cano will hate Kemp as a player. Hate him.

    He is one of the most mistake prone players in all of baseball. But he’s also one of the most talented.”

    Thank you! I’ve been saying the exact same thing about Kemp. Can you imagine the howling on this blog if Kemp were a Yankee striking out once every 4 at bats and walking only once for every for k’s?

    Cano is immature, or is he? In all seriousness, I often wonder if he suffers from Attention Defecit Disorder. I dont say this to make fun of him. It’s like sometimes he just zones out. The kid has a ton of baseball talent. Wouldnt it be something if his lack of focus is treatable?

  982. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    “Start with picking the lineup out of a hat, then watch the movie “Major League.””

    ONLY if we can get Bob Ueker over here to do games.

  983. Paulie D August 13th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Jimmy-I know the truth hurts, but really, is there someone else outside of Chamberlain who’ll fetch what the Yanks need? Not saying it’s gonna happen, ’cause there’s only 4-5 teams that could take him on, but would you flinch for a second if you got, say, Ervin Santana, Eric Aybar, and Howie Kendrick (and toss in Arredondo for good measure) for your boy and Cano?

    Yanks gotta get younger in so many places, and there’s not much to deal (in the short term)…just sayin’

  984. j August 13th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    another boston injury. lowell to the dl.

  985. Pepitone August 13th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Where are all the ARod lovers now?

    Just thought I’d put that in there.

    Anyway, I would hate to give up on Melky and Cano, simply because they are still so young. Young players need patience and time to mature and we fans are notoriously impatient. I agree with SJ44 that Cano’s play this year is simply unacceptable, but is he being held accountable? I don’t see it myself, but perhaps there are things going on we don’t know about.

    I would like to see Melky, Cano, Nady, Damon, Matsui, Pudge, and Molina return next year. I wish they could trade A-Choke, he’s the guy that is not doing his job this year. Jeter frustrates me as well, but I agree with some of the others, I think he may be hurt. He has not been playing like Derek Jeter usually plays.

    I am also opposed to signing CC for 7 to 10 years. 5 years would be acceptable. I like the rotation of CC; Mussina; Pettitte; Hughes; Chamberlain.

    As for this year? The last one leaving be sure to turn out the lights this party is over.

  986. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Ibanez and Washburn claimed off waivers. Maybe for the last 2 months we can trade Abreu for Ibanez, just for change, not that it’ll make any difference.

    Washburn to the White Sox??
    Ibanez to the Rays??

  987. Tank August 13th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Francessa is irrate… absolute killing Hank.

  988. mark August 13th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Lowell to the DL. Wakefield hurt. Crawford and Langoria out. Anyone think this helps our chances at all? Sad to even have to wonder if you can get somewhere only because other teams are injured!

  989. PAT M August 13th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Unless a win trade opportunity comes along, The Yanks would be foolish to move Robinson Cano…..I undersatnd that a few of the more astute members are rightfully wondering if it’s time to move him…That’s always a risk when you’re dealing a player with so much potential…..Kemp is a player even less polished that Cano, but with incredible potential upside….LA would have to send more to NY for the 24 yearold former All-star……Hang on to Robbie, he’s a rear talent & when he finally figures it out, we’ll all be glad he’s in the Bronx…..At this late stage of the season, it’s too late for any adjustments, that’s an offseason / winter ball issue…..Say No to moving Cano, unless the return is so overwhelming….

  990. Jeter2007 August 13th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    p a t h e t i c

    don’t jump yet… remember the phillies last year came from 7 games back with 17 games left over the mets

    we need a lot of luck, but it’s not over

  991. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Fat Mike is raging on the Fan, he needs mental counseling I’m sure of it…but he is kinda right this time IMO lol.

  992. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    “but would you flinch for a second if you got, say, Ervin Santana, Eric Aybar, and Howie Kendrick (and toss in Arredondo for good measure) for your boy and Cano?”

    Worst idea ever, I wouldn’t trade Joba for Lackey, K-rod and Santana. Joba is our guy and he should be the face of this staff for the next decade. Why start going crazy just wait for the offseason get CC, next year Wanger and Hughes are back problem solved enough crazy trades!

  993. Mark in Tampa August 13th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    I think that the Phillies still gave a damn at that point, though

  994. YankeesTech August 13th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Any truth to Phil Hughes possible being called up for giese start\?

  995. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    Mark,

    Nope, they are done. They will play out the last 40 or so games and we will get a chance to see if Hughes can build on next year and see how many guys will bother playing hard the rest of the year without playoff implications on the line.

    Gotta win series, gotta play hard, and have to show some fire if you want to make the playoffs. They don’t say any of it. Its why management knows the real deal. This team is cooked.

    Francesa is a moron. He has no reason to kill Hank. He should have another Diet Coke and go back to telling his audience on how Joba can’t be a good starter, can’t hold his velocity into the middle innings and how Eli Manning will never win a Super Bowl.

    Pat M, no question, they have to get a big return for Cano. If they do, they have to pull the trigger.

    His lack of focus and discipline is cribbling to this team. This is his fourth year in the majors. If he can’t grow up by now, its not going to happen.

    His play the last two days has been absolutely deplorable. No excuses.

    As far as Kemp, he’s just one example. Obviously, it would take more than Kemp for the Yankees to move him to LA.

    Kemp and Kuo? Gotta pull the trigger on that one.

    Or, you shop him around to other teams and see if there is a match.

    My issue is, if there isn’t a match, and you bring him back next year, it can no longer be as a supplemental player.

    You can’t bat him 7th or 8th, make constant excuses for his brain dead play, and think its acceptable.

    He either has to have a major role on this team, #3 or #5 hitter in the order, or you have to move him.

    You can’t commit 7 million bucks a year to a guy who is this erratic a player. Kills your entire team.

  996. Paulie D August 13th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Al–the hypothetical trade was A-rod and Cano for Santana, Kendrick, Aybar and Arredondo

  997. PAT M August 13th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    That Kemp & Kuo ,,,would bring a wonderful smile to any Yankee Fan, or to those who know & understand….

  998. YankeesTech August 13th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    So this pretty much insures that Joba won’t be back this season?

  999. Pepitone August 13th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Paulie D -

    Sign me up, I’m on board for that trade!

  1000. Paulie D August 13th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    “Only nice chip for Cash to play in the offseason is to trade A-rod. He (and he alone from among the position players) will fetch the kind of farm system stars and young pro-ready talent the Yanks so desperately need. Plus it’d be a hoot to see Goldman Sachs sh!t the bed.”

    …and there’s the hilarious thought of GS white shoes vomiting into their own mouths

  1001. YankeesTech August 13th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Exeter, I don’t know if you know what a trade means but let me try. When you do a trade you get players in return back for Cano….. So we might be getting a young player in return for him moron.

  1002. CB August 13th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Pat,

    My gut feeling is that Cano will get traded. Again – I’m a Cano guy as I think those skills in a middle infielder are a once in a decade kind of thing.

    So I’m hesitant to move him. But I think the yankees will. Just a gut feeling.

    I do think that they will only move him in a deal that makes sense for them.

    He’s signed to reasonable contract so there’s no need to move him unless it makes sense.

    Even though he’s had an off season the talent is so evident that I don’t think his trade value has been hurt much with a season like this (one more sub-par season would be another issue…). And middle infielders are hard to find.

    It’ll be interesting to see. Probably the key to the off season one way or another.

    I could also see the dodgers being interested…

  1003. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    New name change today punk? Nice job. Keep trolling.

  1004. Pepitone August 13th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Exeter-

    SJ44, CB, and many others, are good, knowledgeable, articulate baseball fans. Their input is not only appreciated, but sought after.

    The only moron on this site is you.

  1005. Paulio August 13th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    It’s Cano’s fault they are a 3rd place team that will barely win 84 games?

    He’s a part of it. The 4-5 hitters hitting .200 each with men on has a little more to do with it.

    The CF being a total zero doesn’t help.

  1006. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    “Al–the hypothetical trade was A-rod and Cano for Santana, Kendrick, Aybar and Arredondo”

    Okay very well, who plays third?

  1007. PAT M August 13th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    CB. I have real mixed feelings about trading him away…Then agian if the right deal comes across Cashman’s desk then it may happen….Torre’s Dodgers would be the first logical call I’d think…..Danm, I just see a great career ahead for him……Maybe his not playing Winter ball attributed to this season’s woes….I say he’s staying in the Bronx…..

  1008. YankeesTech August 13th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Exeter, Don’t call me a troll or SJ44…. Just admit that your previous statement is idiotic in nature.

  1009. PAT M August 13th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    I told you SJ, that while you were on vacation, the combined

  1010. PAT M August 13th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Sorry, the combined IQ’S dropped in grand fashion…The price one pays for celebrity status…..That’s what I was trying to convey before I hit the sumit button…..Isn’t there a system to prevent this type of idiotic posts….Sometimes when it’s fresh and original there is some humor to be found…For the most part it’s a reflection of despair and envy…….

  1011. Exeter August 13th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    You’re a troll, YankeeTech.

    Have you ever not agreed with SJ44???

    Interesting….

    Sad that you got to be like that.

  1012. Betsy August 13th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    Are the Yankees alive? Please, someone take their pulse. It’s like the Night of the Living Dead out there (or Day of the Dead in today’s case).

    One question: if the players don’t seem to care, why should we?

    I truly don’t believe the players are going out their and mailing it in, but even if you accept this as a flawed team (every team is, anyway), they shouldn’t be playing like this. It’s getting to a point where I expect them to lose and where a 2 run deficit is like 10 runs. This horse needs to be put out of it’s misery; the sooner the season ends, the better.

    I love Joe, but it is somewhat disturbing that the team has not responded to him in any way. I’m just not sure what this means for the future.

    As to Hank, I normally abhor him and his blabbering ways, but this time I have to defend him. I didn’t see anything wrong with what he said – to me, this time, it was just no big deal.

  1013. Paulie D August 13th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Al

    Just based on this trade alone, Aybar plays third next year (he now backs up Figgins at 3rd for LAA along with Izturis, and he backs up Kendrick at 2nd) PLUS he is the SS in waiting for Jeter. Freeing up A-Rod’s cash will make other moves possible too, so if another third baseman suits, you can go for him.

    Again, the original point I was making was that A-Rod is THE chip (among position players) that will get the Yanks’ going in the right direction youth/talent-wise. Joba stays, of course, along with Hughes. I know A-Rod is an insane talent, but if he can’t hack it in NY, then the FO should consider getting rid of him NOW for young, cheap(er) talent. And, of course, for the S&G’s from those d*bags going crosseyed at Goldman

  1014. Vrsce August 13th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Exeter

    What is your definition of a troll?

  1015. Ariel August 13th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    Melky a “Young Bernie???” Perhaps when Bernie was 5-6 and playing TeeBall. Tho on second thought, why be so understated? More like the NY centerfielders of the 50s….a combo of Mickey, Willie and the Dook!! Cano of course is the reincarnation of his namesake….Jackie would roll over and throw up if he watched this guy with his name and the inverse of his number (with all the wasted talent) meander through a mindless 9 innings. A shame, really.

  1016. ML August 13th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Trade Melky Now! I’m so tired of the Bernie comparisons. They both play CF, and both struggled as young players. That’s where the comparison ends. Bernie showed heart and a baseball aptitude and Melky shows no heart and a lackadaisical attitude. Plus, I’d like to see if Cano improves without his partner in crime around.

    We CANNOT open the 09 season with Melky in CF.

  1017. Johnathan August 13th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Stick a fork in these guys they’re done. This team has absolutely no chemistry right now and at this point all the veterans are more worried about stats then wins.

    Robbie, Melky, and Betemit.. all in their 20′s but they’re playing like they are as old as the vets.. not hustling, bad fielding, and SO MANY MENTAL ERRORS. It is unacceptable for the NYY to be playing this way, but realistically the problem is easy to see.

    1. Lack of managerial leadership- Giradi doesn’t have the respect of the players. In one ear and out the other..

    2. Lack of player leadership- Jeter can only do so much… And with Jorge out nobody has stepped up as the vocal leader

    3. Lack of team concept- Bad fundamentals, not hitting with RISP, no hustle in the field.

    4. Bad influences on the younger players- A-rod and Giambi swinging for the fences padding their stats, Abreu not giving full effort in the field.. I’m not surprised Cano and Melky have regressed, they see our 3,4,5 hitters the “heart” of our order doing these things of course it’s going to rub off on the younger guys.

    Time to bring up Gardner, Jackson, Melancon, Miranda anyone who plays the game with some fire.

  1018. Jimmy Smithers August 13th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    yanks blow what are you talking about


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