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Giese to see doctor tomorrow

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 13, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Dan Giese is scheduled to start Tuesday. That’s up in the air now.

Joe Girardi: “He’s OK. He’s just a little stiff. We thought it was best to get him out. It shouldn’t jeopardize anything Tuesday. … I don’t think it’ll be a problem. He’ll just have treatment probably tomorrow and Friday and be back in our bullpen Saturday.”

Here’s another version …

Dan Giese: “I definitely wasn’t 100 percent Sometimes your shoulder stiffens up and you can kind of loosen up a little bit. But mine got progressively worse.

“I’ve had it in the past and it you usually give it some time to rest and you bounce back pretty well. Hope that happens. We’re going to the doc tomorrow and see what’s going on in there.

“You know when you get a tetanus shot and there’s that ache deep in there? You feel like somebody punched you in the shoulder real bad? That’s kind of the feel. I couldn’t get extension on any of my pitches.”

Giese will see Dr. Chris Ahmad tomorrow at New York Presbyterian Hospital. At best, he’s questionable for Tuesday.

Derek Jeter was going to pinch hit in the ninth inning. He said he will play Friday.

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144 Responses to “Giese to see doctor tomorrow”

  1. fred from jersey August 13th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Girardi is a liar and I hate him.

  2. Bob August 13th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Girardi, why does he shade the truth?

  3. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Wow Girardi’s act is getting old, he’s so pathetic when talking about guys who are hurt.

    Meanwhile Fat Mike is still raging like a maniac on the Fan and its getting to be good comedy.

  4. DFox August 13th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    “Girardi is a liar and I hate him.”

    You sound exactly like a 5 year old who’s parents are finding and he hates his daddy.

  5. justin August 13th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    Girardi is a con artist. I’m sick of him and this team not caring out there. Like cano can you show me something, anything? Last night I saw the sox jumping all over the place like they cared. I don’t see that with us

  6. fred from jersey August 13th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    No your parents are finding.

    Fire Girardi for his lies! Bring back Torre!

  7. Tank August 13th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    We have a day off, just skip his start and let Rasner slide into his spot. Though if you wanted to give Andy the extra day, this complicates things… you can always bring up Chase Wright

  8. Bombshell August 13th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    HAHAHAHA Fat Mike called the bugs in Cleveland “midgets” lolol what a bum.

  9. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    I feel badly for Dan Giese. Here is a guy who worked his entire life to get to the majors and finally gets there at age 31.

    He not only gets to the majors, he comes to the Yankees and has helped win games. A guy who truly appreciates and understands the struggle to get to the majors.

    Then, we have Robinson Cano. A kid with amazing talent, makes the majors at 21 years old, and has such little respect for the game, himself and his teammates that he can’t be bothering bringing a focused effort to the ballpark every day.

    He’s healthy, rich and has no respect for the game. Dan Giese is hanging by a thread and gets hurt.

    Proof fairness doesn’t exist in this game.

    You really wish somebody on the team could grab Cano by the neck and tell him how much he is wasting his talent with the crap he brings to the field everyday.

    Its a gift to be a major league baseball player. A RARE gift.

    Squander it, or show no respect for it, its hard for me to have any respect for a player who does that.

  10. Cry Baby August 13th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Waaaaaahhhhhhh Girardi isn’t telling the whole world the Yankees injuries! Waahhhhhhhh!

    This blog is comprised of the most fairweather fans ever. You actively root against certain Yankees (Kennedy, Cano and A-Rod) and want everyone traded after a loss. I hope a bunch of you jump off the bandwagon this season when we don’t make the playoffs and go root for the Mets or Red Sox.

  11. Jose August 13th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Fat Mike solo is worse than Russo

    Atleast Russo is sadistic and fun-loving…. Francessa is sadistic and arrogant/bitter.

  12. Betsy August 13th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    SJ, you’re right. Too bad Cano can’t be sent down, not that Joe would do it. He seems to have no problem with Robby’s attitude (that can NOT sit well with the players); that’s the only conclusion I can draw by Joe’s inaction with regards to Cano.

    I hope Dan Giese is ok. I don’t want to lay this on Girardi, but why does he assume that everything is ok? This poor guy sounds like he’s in pain and this could be a problem for him.

    I’m going to assume that Giese can’t go on Tuesday. If that’s the case, the Yankees had better not think of rushing Phil up here. Dig up someone, anyone, a corpse. I don’t care, but Phil needs one more start in AAA.

  13. Exeter August 13th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Girardi has to go. He is in way over his head here. The NYY job isn’t an entry level position.

    They should have got rid of Torre 2 years ago and got Sweet Lou.

  14. ITALIANO!!!!! August 13th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    2008 isnt over, but I think its fair to talk about 2009…

    We all know the Yankees are going to throw the world at CC Sabathia, which is a no brainier… now you got to think who you bring back for 2009…

    Giambi – no
    Abreu – no
    Ivan – no
    Sexson – no
    Ponson – no
    Moose – A must
    Pettitte – likely, but could change with the addition of CC

    I am one of many who is getting tired of seeing Melky Cabrera and Robinson Cano look lethargic on the field and at the plate. I’ve heard the trade them stuff. Melky YES. Cano No… The only way Cano is traded is if the Yankees miss out on Sabathia and really need a top line SP, of course using Cano as bait. Don’t even talk about Kemp for Cano that’s ridiculous… If the Yankees trade Cano they need to make sure what they get WILL BE MORE VALUABLE TO THEM not something that just looks good…

    I still think the Yankees get a catcher in the off-season who is MLB ready in his mid 20′s. I think a trade for Gerald Laird and Frank Catalanotto would be a great move for the Yanks to look into. Frank may be a FA, but I’m not sure. Laird is having his best season and is really looking like the total package and would be a nice catcher for a couple of seasons. Cat is a player who could play different positions and always seems to produce.

    Melky Cabrera has to be moved… If Ian Kennedy could be packaged for something that helps the Yanks now and for the future it should be done….

    NO TO MANNY, not because I don’t like him its just because it would never happen…

    Rotation:

    Sabathia
    Joba
    Wang
    Moose
    Hughes/Pettitte

    Pen:

    Mo
    Melancon
    Veras
    Marte
    Eddy
    Robertson
    Giese/Rasner

    The Line-up is too tough to call…. But the Yanks need to go in depth on players they should look to trade for… Getting Nady is great because he just seems like a winning ball player good step… now we need more of that… WINNING ATTITUDE…

  15. nyyfaninlaaland August 13th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    I was a bit surprised to see Giese come in today. I’m sure it’s because he’s gained Girardi’s confidence, but with Robertson, Traber, and Bruney all available – and eventually used after Giese got no one out.

    I’m curious as to why Giese was called 3 days after throwing 83 pitches in his first start in quite a while. Nothing against Giese here, he was being a good soldier. I’m confused about what Girardi was thinking. I thought the plan was to have Giese available if necessary in the KC series after regular rest off a start or to pitch in relief on his throw day.

    I’m sure it was due to a loss of confidence in Robertson – nice to see him do well today by the way. But what seemed to be one of Girardi’s pluses was his distribution of the pen load. This just struck me as odd. Today would have been Giese’s throw day in the rotation as well, so maybe that explains it. But after the big jump in pitch load in his last start I would have expected a little more caution, especially since he was likely being skipped this turn through so would be available for some extended relief work over the next series.

    Hope he’s okay – he deserves better luck.

  16. bye bye joe August 13th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    why is giese even in there at that point?

  17. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    “Fat Mike solo is worse than Russo

    Atleast Russo is sadistic and fun-loving…. Francessa is sadistic and arrogant/bitter.”

    FATcessa, likes to think he should be hired as the new Yanks GM, Manager, third base coach, hitting coach and pitching coach rolled into one. That is the real reason he hates Hank because he hasn’t gotten that call yet. Get on it Hank I think a great coaching mind is wasting away in that WFAN studio.

  18. Carolina Ace August 13th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    You know who we should blame for the offense being awful?

    The guy who started the year hitting 7th in the lineup. It’s all his fault that they will top out at about 750 runs.

    Why not blame Rasner for the starting pitching being average while you’re at it?

  19. Nate August 13th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    ….And AL from BK has spent the past 3 hrs calling and trying to get on the FAN.

  20. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    Nice to see you have appointed yourself the moderator of the board “exeter”.

    But, sadly for you, I ignore tools like yourself.

    You don’t like the posts, too bad. They will keep coming and there isn’t a thing you can do about it.

    The sweet irony of somebody from “exeter” who changes his name everyday on the blog to call me a moron! lol

    Too funny.

    You don’t have to change your name everyday to do that. Just stick to one name. Show some guts. Its not like you are fooling anybody.

  21. Drive 4-5 August 13th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    If I live to be a million I won’t understand why anyone even spends time listening to either Francessa or Russo.

  22. YankeesTech August 13th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    We have lost too much production to injuries….
    Mastui
    Alex for 2 weeks
    Posada for the whole year
    Wang for half of the season.
    Joba
    i won’t include Phil Hughes and Ian to be fair…..

  23. PAT M August 13th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    Your fan club SJ……

  24. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    “….And AL from BK has spent the past 3 hrs calling and trying to get on the FAN.”

    I stopped trying I think the producers no my voice and know that me and Jabba the hut don’t play nice. He is an idiot and doesn’t deserve that show.

  25. Josh August 13th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    The Sux blew a 10-run lead TWICE in the same game last night. Every pitcher they put up there got killed. And at one point they were down by 2 runs.

    Yet they (and the Rangers) never stopped fighting. On the Rangers – I can’t even imagine what would happen if the Yanks were down by 10 in the first inning. They would probably just walk off the field. And the Sox had a clutch hit from Fat Bald Guy (aka Pedroia) and another from Uglier Fat Bald Guy (Youk) to pull off the win. It was not Papi and Manny who?

    We need guys who wll play until the last out.

  26. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Wow Peter Girardi committed another cardinal sin saying Geiese will not get his arm amputated..

    Really he is not a Dr. and we will wait and see.. Do you want Girardi to diagnose Geise also?

    This nitpicking is a joke, reporters in NY will have to wait till friday to find out what is the matter with Giese , not real complicated…

    The constant nitpicking over Girardi’s injury report is a joke. Was Girardi lieing today, he said last night Jeter would probably play today!!!Is he trying to get one by the yankee press corp!!!!

  27. Jose August 13th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Rasner actually didn’t pitch badly today… too bad the offense has gone into the Tank.

  28. Peter Abraham August 13th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Guys:

    Please do not engage in personal attacks on each other. I will not let this blog sink to that level.

    Ignore stupid posters. Discuss, debate, whatever you want. Do not personally attack each other. I will delete such posts, warn you, then ban you.

    This blog is not going to become a gathering place for people interested in that.

    Please stop. Thanks.

  29. Drive 4-5 August 13th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    SJ44,

    I previously made the comment that Cano could suffer from ADT. It’s not that uncommon. Any thoughts? Otherwise, isn’t it possible that the kid needs a kick in the arse and no one is giving it to him ala Bowa?

    He has such talent. There has to be a way to draw out the best in him.

  30. Betsy August 13th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Are the Yankees alive? Please, someone take their pulse. It’s like the Night of the Living Dead out there (or Day of the Dead in today’s case).

    One question: if the players don’t seem to care, why should we?

    I truly don’t believe the players are going out their and mailing it in, but even if you accept this as a flawed team (every team is, anyway), they shouldn’t be playing like this. It’s getting to a point where I expect them to lose and where a 2 run deficit is like 10 runs. This horse needs to be put out of it’s misery; the sooner the season ends, the better.

    I love Joe, but it is somewhat disturbing that the team has not responded to him in any way. I’m just not sure what this means for the future.

    As to Hank, I normally abhor him and his blabbering ways, but this time I have to defend him. I didn’t see anything wrong with what he said – to me, this time, it was just no big deal.

  31. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Pat M,

    LOL, very true my friend.

    The loss of manpower hurts. No question about it. But, let’s face it, there is still enough talent on the roster to produce better, more focused efforts than we saw on this roadtrip.

    Very disappointing performance by these guys over the last 2+ weeks. They have dug a very big hole for themselves. May be too big to overcome this year.

  32. Exeter August 13th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Keep the Anti-Cano stuff coming, SJ the Hypocrite.

    It’s really thrilling.

    Shows what kind of person you are giving up on 25 yr old all star middle infielders.

    You probably want them to trade Joba or Hughes for a replacement for Cano like Mark Ellis.

  33. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Carolina ACE wit ha typical groupie response but I will answer your question.

    The Yankees inept offense is not becuase of robinson cano solely. he has some other teammates who have participated in the horror show such as giambi, jeter, melky, etc.

    It is also factually accurate that Cano has had a terrible year and statistics like a 300 OBP, a 261 BA avg, 10 HRs. 1 Sb, and other #’s show he is one of the WORST producing 2B in baseball this year. A position which is notorious for bad production and Cano is near the bottom in production.

    How was that Carolina Ace…………….You think the brain dead Cano has been producing well this year? Has he earned his money? Be truthful…

  34. COL 88 August 13th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    After seeing how Pete and the rest of the NY media treats the team, no wonder the only way we can get people to come here is by overpaying.

    Girardi should have taken the Dodgers job when it was offered to him… he would have been perfect for a young team like that.

  35. Exeter August 13th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    Girardi thinks he’s Eric Mangini.

    Can he give a straight answer to any question?

    That’s pretty much half his job. To give the press a half hour a day and answer baseball questions. How hard is it?

  36. Jose August 13th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Looks like Hank has warmed up to Cashman in recent months.

    sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/08/13/heyman.cashman/?eref=sircrc

  37. CB August 13th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Pat M,

    Agreed that Cano not playing winter ball this year may have been a problem. They should let him play this winter.

    Either way – they can’t afford to make a mistake on Cano. They do – it’s a long time to recover.

    It’ll be hard to replace him as a general issue as well. If they trade him they’ll get back a younger player. But any younger player they get back is likely to have some kind of limitation/ flaw to his game.

    I can see the fans and the media disliking the player they get back for Cano as much as they disliked Cano.

    Kemp is a great example of that. Kemp and Kuo would be very interesting. But I could see Kemp becoming a disaster in NY just because he’s raw… that and the presence of WFAN.

  38. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    I smell a Hank spending spree come hot stove time and I like it! Lil Stein will bring home the bacon.

  39. Rich August 13th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    what if the yanks dont land CC next season? i remember yanks fans thinking they’d definitely sign matsuzaka, teixiera, santana, etc.. im trying to picture the 2009 roster. whos gone?

  40. j August 13th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    we should go for hitters that are proven yet younger than 28, ie loney at first, kendrick at 2nd and so on. the only key is to get younger.

  41. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    Drive,

    I wouldn’t even begin to speculate on whether Cano has ADD or anything like that. That’s not my thing.

    I think they talk to him. In fact, I know they do.

    Do they have somebody like Bowa as his personal Dr. Phil? Pete asked a very good line of questioning with Girardi on this issue yesterday and Girardi said its a collaborative thing.

    I’m one who believes that a player can’t depend on a coach to motivate him or keep him focused all the time. Mainly because, coaches are replaced almost every year on a staff. JMO but, I think there will be staff turnover on the Yankees in the off-season. Somebody will be “Roy White-ed” (firing a guy on the staff just to show you took “action”) if they don’t go to the playoffs. That’s always been the Yankee Way in the past.

    To me, motivation and focus to play the game the right way has to come from within.

    An occasional kick in the butt? Sure, you can have a guy do that. To have somebody in place to do that often? JMO but, if you need that as a player, that’s a problem.

  42. Carolina Ace August 13th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    It’s just real smart to blame the offensive struggles on the guy who was hitting 7th to start the year and plays 2b.

    That’s like the Mets blaming their season on Luis Castillo. The Cardinals should blame Adam Kennedy.

    You out of your mind?

    No team won or lost because the 7th place hitter had a down year as they league adjusted to him.

    This team stinks right now because the middle of the order can’t hit with runners in scoring position. Not because the 7th hitter is hitting .250.

  43. AB August 13th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    Cano is an easy target today.

  44. Drive 4-5 August 13th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Betsy,

    Your point is well taken. The players do not seem to be responding the Girardi, the same way it seemed like they stopped rsponding to Torre.I know you understand that it’s not fair to blame the players performance totally on Girardi.

    But my concern is that the players’ seeming lethargic is a poor reflection on Girardi. Joe’s hardly lethargic himself,but the sense of urgency is not reflected in their play.

    Coaching mistakes have surely been made. Sitting Damon made no sense. But it’s like Joe doesnt want to seem like he’s panicking, so the players pick up on it and end up playing too loose.

    The only coaching change that I really want to see made is at 3rd base. Bobby Meacham consistenetly shows poor judgement. Maybe that’s the opening for Willie Randolph’s return.

  45. Joeysdadjoe August 13th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    I’d say bring back Giambi.Not for the option but at a lower price.

  46. EDUB August 13th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    I definitely agree that Cano has taken his big league career for granted. I recall an interview with him towards the beginning of his career. Someone asked him if he was shocked that he came up so fast and he basically shrugged and said something to the effect of “I always knew I had the talent and it was a matter of time.” I didn’t think much of it back then because he was playing so well but 4 years later he’s still making rookie mistakes and lacks any kind of concentration.

  47. Henry NY August 13th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    Trying to decide who’s funnier to read after a tough loss. sj44 or stuart. Trade him! Cut him! Bench him! Dump them all!

    They gambled on 3 young pitchers. They hit with one. That’s the season.

  48. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    “what if the yanks dont land CC next season? i remember yanks fans thinking they’d definitely sign matsuzaka, teixiera, santana, etc.. im trying to picture the 2009 roster. whos gone?”

    If its not CC it will be someone else, Burnett maybe Sheets. This is different Santana was a deal where we had to deal Hughes, Matsuzaka(who I wouldn’t want anyway) the sux paid nearly 20 mil more than any other team for his posting fee no one saw that coming. Finally when exactly was Tex a free agent? I think this is his first time as an FA.

  49. S.A.-I want to believe in this team, but they make it hard to do so. This offense is still offensive. August 13th, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    This has been a horrible road trip.
    It was Satan’s road trip to hell. :evil:

  50. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Drive,

    If the players haven’t responded to Girardi and didn’t respond to Torre for long stretches the past 3 years (particularly the way they quit in the ’06 ALDS vs. Detroit) what does that tell you?

    Both guys, completely different personalities, yet the team (at least some of the players) still have the same issues.

    Seems to me that’s more a player problem than a manager problem.

  51. AB August 13th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    Girardi is not ready for prime time. The benching of Damon was the last straw. The abuse of Marte by putting him out there for 2 innings is right with it.

  52. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    carolin ace you are just wrong and argueing what yo ustted you are against.. there are many culprits for this fiasco including your so called 7th hitter who again has been pathetic this year and you cannot argue that point.

    a 300 OBP….that is a joke isn’t it…richie sexson hits 220 and has a 330 OBP… Cano has fallen so far it is asounding the guy is 25 yr old hot dog no baseball sense joke..

    if you want to cry check out his #’s with the bases loaded, about 130 BA…

    Why don’t you jsut say Cano has sucked this year like Jeter, giambi when it counts along with Arod.. Melky has given them nothing, the catcher slot has been a black hole and all this adds up to make there offense dreadful.. Cano is 25 suppose to be improving in his 4th season in the league, and a 300 OBP with 54 RBI’S, yeah he is great GIVE HIM AN EXTENSION..

  53. hughes wang small chacons August 13th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    i’m pretty sure cano has ADT. they provide a quality service at a fair price.

    girardi is not the man for this job. neither was randolph nor donnie b-ball. we had a gem in torre and looked that gift horse in the mouth.

    countdown to hughes getting lit up = 6 days.

  54. Rich August 13th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    stuart- i was simply asking for peoples take on next years roster and questioning many peoples assumption that CC is a no doubter. your rude reaction to my post is extremely bizarre… maybe you should switch to decaf?

  55. Drive 4-5 August 13th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    SJ44,

    I don’t know about you, but when I played sports I definitely benefited from certain coaches more than others. I was fortunate to have a terrific basketball coach that believed in my ability and brought the best out of me. In my adult life, I was lucky to eventually work for someone who brought me to a level I would necer have achieved otherwise.

    I believe in coaching. I guess I wouldnt have been one for the past 30 years if I hadn’t lol.

  56. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    “rich

    they will survive are you 2 years old??

    they have wang joba and hughes to name 3 options…

    have you only been watching baseball for like 7 years???”

    Yeah Stuart that plan went real well for the Yanks this year pass on the proven Cy Young guy for 3 “studs”. Only Joba stuck end of story for 08. I would feel real confident relying on Wang coming off a serious injury and 2 guys who are 22 years old and on strict innings limits. Great idea, will be just fine.

  57. AB August 13th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    You wouldn’t want to trade for Santana and pay him but you are willing to pay the same amount or more for Sheets and/or Burnett????

    Oy vey.

    Santana is lefty and a proven AL pitcher. Not to mention durable. Unlike those guys.

    Hughes better be a #2 pitcher.

    And they blew it by not signing Dice K. The guy can flat out pitch. He may walk a lot but they don’t score on him and he wins games. You think we could use a big game pitcher?

    Not to mention the 46 mill wasted on the sunglass wearing loser.

  58. randy l August 13th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    “I previously made the comment that Cano could suffer from ADT. It’s not that uncommon. Any thoughts?”

    https://www.adt.com/resi/programs/search/hom

    i suppose all those security calls coming in would be a distraction.

    ( just kidding drive4-5)

  59. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    yeah Henry it was the pitching gamble that caused the offense to score 130 + less runs.. yeah my car broke down and that caused my kid to get a B on a test.. They are not related.. The pitching is better then last year brainiac look at the #’s.

    The pitching is better just the offense sucks but them not hitting is not cano’s fault, or afraud, or jeter , it is Hughes fault the offense sucks..

    Sounds logical…..

  60. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    “Rich August 13th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    stuart- i was simply asking for peoples take on next years roster and questioning many peoples assumption that CC is a no doubter. your rude reaction to my post is extremely bizarre… maybe you should switch to decaf?”

    Rich don’t take it personally Stuart acts like that towards everyone because outside of mocking people he has very little to say.

  61. Trevor August 13th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    How is it the Mets will only be charging $495 for the most expensive ticket at Citi Field and the the Yankees most expensive ticket at new YS is $2,500?
    And they will actually have less seats then new YS. You would think it would be more money.

  62. PAT M August 13th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Well guys & gals,,,, It’s been an interesting afternoon, however I’m going to hit the back nine at Pelican Hill over looking The Pacific…Very disappointing today, as I just keep waiting for a different outcome, isbn’t that the defintion of insanity, keep expecting a different outcome yet ends up with same result……Primal Scream time…

  63. Carolina Ace August 13th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    stuart,
    I think you mistook my reply’s as responding to you. Why would I want to engage someone who can’t speak english in a discussion? I try to read and listen to normal and coherent posters. Not people who hurl name calling and such. But thanks for taking the time out to call me out.

  64. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    You wouldn’t want to trade for Santana and pay him but you are willing to pay the same amount or more for Sheets and/or Burnett????

    Oy vey.

    “Santana is lefty and a proven AL pitcher. Not to mention durable. Unlike those guys.

    Hughes better be a #2 pitcher.

    And they blew it by not signing Dice K. The guy can flat out pitch. He may walk a lot but they don’t score on him and he wins games. You think we could use a big game pitcher?

    Not to mention the 46 mill wasted on the sunglass wearing loser.”

    Burnett and Sheets will not yield as much cash as Sabathia, trust me. Secondly the Yanks never even had the opportunity to talk to Matsusucka, anyway the Sux paid a ridiculous posting fee just to talk with the guy how is that the Yanks fault?

  65. D Day August 13th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    “If the players haven’t responded to Girardi and didn’t respond to Torre for long stretches the past 3 years (particularly the way they quit in the ‘06 ALDS vs. Detroit) what does that tell you?”

    They really quit on Torre to the tune of 90+ wins and the playoffs the past 3 years. And another playoff run after they “quit” in the ’06 playoffs. Where do we find some people?

  66. hughes wang small chacons August 13th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    has anyone coined the nickname Damaso Gagne yet?

    i’d cool down on the CC excitement. he’s about as solid as wang in the postseason.

  67. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Al from BK shocking you are talking about Santana for a change..

    I am SHOCKED.GEt some new material retard…

    Talk to me about CY Santana in 3 or 4 yrs.. You are like my 7 yr. old complaining you did not get the toy you wanted, even though you had no money and did not want to sacrifice what was needed to get the toy… You have to be a young spoiled Yankee fan for sure…

    You would be whining like this if the Yanks did not get giambi about 7 yrs ago and look just as stupid about Santana in a few years but then you would say you were against the move.

    Change your tune 1 tune Charlie.

  68. JR Yankees August 13th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    This latest development is just another ripple in the water. What are ya gonna do?

    Got 40 something games left to make up 5-6 games for the wildcard. Not impossible.

  69. AB August 13th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    “Burnett and Sheets will not yield as much cash as Sabathia, trust me.”

    Zito got 126 mill for 7 yrs. Carlos Silva got 11 mill last Nov. Meche got a 5 yr deal. What do you think two flame throwing, high end talent pitchers are going to get? Don’t even guess because you won’t in the ballpark.

    The Santana deal will look like a bargain in 6 months. Especially since it basically boils down to Hughes for Santana since the other cogs in the deal are brutal.

  70. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Drive,

    No question, coaching helps a lot. However, MLB is different. There is a lot of movement among coaches and even managers for that matter in the game.

    David Wright LOVED Rick Down as a hitting coach. Made him what he is today in his mind. Rick got fired by the Mets (unfairly so) at mid-season last year. Wright didn’t go into the tank as a player because of it.

    Arod LOVED Rudy Jaramillo as a hitting coach. Yet, he was able to get over it.

    Turnover is part of the game.

    Personally, I think the Bowa/Cano thing is overstated to a degree. Bowa had a thing going with every player, not just Cano. He had a “fine fund” with Arod. Everytime Arod said something dumb to the media, Bowa fined him. LOL He was that kind of coach. A terrific coach, IMO.

    The game is about change. If the Yankees need Larry Bowa to keep Robinson Cano on the straight and narrow, they made a very big mistake extending Cano.

    For lack of a better phrase, Cano needs to get his act together. If he is going to have a future in NY, its going to be as a key member of this team.

    Frankly, that’s what the Yankees for hoping for from him this year. That’s why they extended him. Unfortunately, that hasn’t happened.

    If he is back next year, his role will have to expand due to the changes they will make on the roster.

    Is he up to it? I honestly don’t know.

    However, as CB correctly states, that’s a BIG question the Yankees have to have the right answer to in the off-season.

    Whether they keep him or trade him, they have to have the right answer to the issue going forward.

  71. Eric August 13th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    “I am SHOCKED.GEt some new material retard…”

    And that is why no one responds or listens to you.

  72. Exeter August 13th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    How many times can you post the same spiel, SJ? We get it. Cano should be traded. I know it’s your pet project but come on.

  73. Tom K August 13th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    hughes wang small chacons -

    Sabathia only has four career postseason starts. Let’s not call him a bad postseason pitcher just yet.

    Beyond that, as the Yankees are showing this year, it doesn’t matter how good an individual player is in the postseason if the team can’t get to the postseason to begin with. CC would most definitely would help them get back into the playoffs…from there, I’ll take my chances.

  74. Andrew August 13th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    “i’d cool down on the CC excitement. he’s about as solid as wang in the postseason”

    At this point, the Yankees need any one that might help them actually get into the postseason again, so that is no reason to say that CC isn’t such a great idea. Also, his struggles in the postseason are in a pretty small sample size. By your logic, shouldn’t fans cool down on the Joba Chamberlain excitement because he didn’t do too well in the postseason?

  75. stuart August 13th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    carolina ace again answer the question how is cano doing this year..

    let’s name the 2b who are better and remember 2b is a weak position…pedroia, roberts, iwamura, ramirez (White sux), polanco, kendrick, kinsler, Casilla, and that is the AL..

    THAT IS SAD.. IWamura and Casilla are better, that is really really sad. But hey Cano has had a great year and his effort is extraordinary.. You should give him some money from your McDonalds paycheck since he is underpaid for that great results…

    Last year people were discussing Cano s good s Utley, can you imagine that!!!And Cano just does not get it like many of the foolish posters here.. The offense has fallen off a cliff, Damon has played well and that is about it… Comprehend ????

  76. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Stuart- I was and still am against the Santana trade, Hughes will be a good 2 or 3 IMO. However CC will not cost us prospects just cash and its not my money or your money so why shouldn’t they go after him, its a no brainer.

  77. Joe Monte August 13th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    I don’t know what is more extreme: The Lohud Yankees Blog Comments or the CBOE Volatility Index.

  78. Double G August 13th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    Making up 5 games in 40 games. Not impossible. Improbable yes. I’d feel better if Joba and Wang were out there but you play with the team that suits up.

    Why can’t Alex get hot and carry the team on his back for a month? He’s certainly due.

  79. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    4-13 in the past 4 post-seasons. Did you watch the last 2 games in Detroit in the ’06 ALDS? You think that team didn’t quit?

    How about the first 2 1/2 months of ’05? The first 3 months of last year? You didn’t see problems with the team?

    Those teams were talented than this one.

    Torre had the same issues dealing with certain players than Girardi.

  80. SJ44 August 13th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    4-13 in the past 4 post-seasons. Did you watch the last 2 games in Detroit in the ’06 ALDS? You think that team didn’t quit?

    How about the first 2 1/2 months of ’05? The first 3 months of last year? You didn’t see problems with the team?

    Those teams were more talented than this one.

    Torre had the same issues dealing with certain players than Girardi.

  81. Carolina Ace August 13th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    stuart,

    That’s my point. It shouldn’t matter what the #7 hitter is doing. Can you read and comprehend? Cano floundering shouldn’t impact the team. He’s the #7 hitter in the lineup!

    Should I speak slower for you?

  82. Steve August 13th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    We would be in first right now if we had Johan. Johan should have 16 wins right now with the Mets, and they blew five of his saves.

    We wouldn’t have Melky either so the team would improve there as well.

    This Yankees team would be ahead of the Red Sox if we had Johan.

    But hey, atleast IsucK doesn’t think giving up five runs in two innings is bad game.

  83. Joe Monte August 13th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    The team hasn’t recovered from the collapse to Boston in the 2004 ALCS. It’s possible that playing in New York might have mentally wore out some of these guys. The media and fans have certainly put more pressure on these group of players than the squad that played during the recent championship seasons.

  84. Exeter August 13th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Torre didn’t have any of these issues.

    You may say they coasted and quit but they won 90+ games every season under Torre and made the playoffs every year.

    Just because they ran into good pitching and they didn’t have the same doesn’t mean they quit in the playoffs.

    Do you really blame them for 2006?

    Their “ace” goes out in Game 3 and gets shelled and Kenny Rogers shut them down.

    The next day is Jeremy Bonderman against Jaret Wright. that’s what Torre had to work with the past couple of years.

    You never heard him make excuses like injuries or youth.

    God knows he would have benched Melky and Cano weeks ago for mental errors.

    You can’t even compare Torre and Girardi. It’s ridiculous to even consider it. This team folded as soon as Joba went down. Torre had this team in the playoffs and focused when the starters were Chase Wright, Tyler Clippard, Matty DeSalvo.

    Spare us.

  85. Joe Monte August 13th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    The team needs to rebuild from within and it’s going to take a couple of years to get rid of these contracts and bring the right veteran talent to go along with the young players during the next few years.

  86. Betsy August 13th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Drive, do you think the Yankees are really going to force a coaching change on Girardi? I really hate when teams pick their manager/coach’s staff for them, but if Meachem really is that bad, then the Yankees have no choice. I have no idea how Joe would take that, but presumably not well as he’s friends with Bobby. However, professional considerations have to come before personal so Joe would have to suck it up.

    I almost hate having ex-players on the Yankees’ staff because inevitably you have to criticize them and it bothers me to do so. Joe has, overall, done a fine job, but some of his decisions are just inexplicable (Damon sitting, with the season on the line, for instance). He did sit players who were hot in order to keep them fresh; I admire Joe’s effort to do that, but I think it was misguided. With the injuries we’ve suffered, I think “hot” players needed to be in the lineup so as to maximize our opportunities. I think, in essence, Joe was looking at the big picture when he really needed to be looking at the picture in front of him. I have no clue as to why this team is playing like this. 2 runs, IMO at this point, is almost insurmountable. How sad is that?

  87. nyyfaninlaaland August 13th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    Drive 4-5

    If in fact Cano is suffering from ADD (or ADHD if you prefer), perhaps he could apply for the latest in legal performance enhancements / stimulants to hit MLB – Ritalin. Medical use exemptions for it have skyrocketed in recent years – saw a number stating there were over 100 approvals from MLB. That’s over 7% of players!

    Maybe a little medically induced focus wouldn’t hurt. Google “baseball ritalin use” for info.

  88. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    Dan Giese: “I definitely wasn’t 100 percent Sometimes your shoulder stiffens up and you can kind of loosen up a little bit. But mine got progressively worse.

    Umm did he tell anybody that before the game or did he just go out there and try to pitch like that?

  89. AB August 13th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    I don’t think there is any doubt that if Johan is pitching in the Bronx this team is in first place.

    Kennedy has been shown the door and may never be allowed back.

    Hughes is still living off of a few magazines saying he’s a top prospect and 4 innings in the playoffs.

    I haven’t seen a dominating fastball or a 3rd pitch from him.

    I wish Hank had some actual power.

  90. Betsy August 13th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    Regarding the Steinbrenners’ desire to extend Cash’s contract, I like this…….I like it a lot. The good thing is that there does not appear to be a rift in the organization. Everyone is on the same page and as long as that’s the case, the Yankees’ future will be bright.

  91. willis August 13th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    This may bu stupid, but I think Melky being moved might help Robbie..

  92. AB August 13th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Now we’re prescribing drugs for Cano?

    What should Melky get? Triple the dosage?

  93. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    “I wish Hank had some actual power.”

    He does and that’s why we are where we are.

    Giving up with a quarter of the season left and 5 games back.

  94. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    I can’t believe that these are actually George’s children. They’re a bunch of quitters.

    Nothing like their father was.

  95. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Yankees since the Joba injury: 3-7 enough said, the team quit after this injury and who can blame them.

  96. AB August 13th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    I think it is pretty clear that it is Hal’s decision and not Hank’s about Cashman.

    If Hank had any power Santana would be here. He has none.

    What about Cashman have you liked the past couple of years?
    I can name a few good moves and they were all salary dumps. His FA track record is dismal. We got no position players in the minors ready to contribute.

    Maybe some new blood wouldn’t be bad. You don’t think 50 guys can do this and do this well with all the Yanks resources??

  97. yankee2123 August 13th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    I think the hitting coach will be gone after this season. Just for the bad stretches the Yanks have had this year. Meacham can go either way, but to make Girardi happy, I think they’ll bring him back for another year.

  98. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    ““I wish Hank had some actual power.”

    He does and that’s why we are where we are.

    Giving up with a quarter of the season left and 5 games back.”

    Its not quitting its being realistic and I respect that. Soon to be 6 games out I’m sure.

  99. AB August 13th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    “Yankees since the Joba injury: 3-7 enough said, the team quit after this injury and who can blame them.”

    Who can blame them????

    How about the organization, their teammates, and the fans???

    Who quits in Aug? They are professionals. Everyday they should be grinding. If they are in first by 10 games or out by 20.

    You play hard everyday. No matter whos out there.

  100. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    “I think it is pretty clear that it is Hal’s decision and not Hank’s about Cashman.

    If Hank had any power Santana would be here. He has none. ”

    Yeah well, Hank also has no idea what he’s talking about half the time. I mean, he didn’t even understand the situation about Joba being in the pen last year. You would think being a part owner you would know something about that.

  101. E-Man August 13th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    “Its not quitting its being realistic and I respect that. Soon to be 6 games out I’m sure.”

    So did you jump ship from the Mets last year on to this team and now you’re just stuck because both teams are horrible?

  102. Paulio August 13th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    You can really point to the day Farnsworth left as the day it went downhill.

    Who’d have thunk it?

  103. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Its really Hanks fault that this team sucks, yeah sure. This is a team that has no strengths at all 0 absolutely nothing they’re good at. Lets check it out Hitting is horrific going to score 150 runs less than last year. Clutch hitting that one is self explanatory. Bullpen is horrendous and wild too many HR’s, too many BB’s. Starters are mediocre or just completely terrible (excluding Moose). That formula wont win you a lot of games sorry to break that news.

  104. AB August 13th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Even 6 games out it’s not impossible. All it takes is one hot streak. A nice 8-1 home stand would help cure a lot of ills.

    But who can see that with the way this team has played since Aug 1?

  105. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    “So did you jump ship from the Mets last year on to this team and now you’re just stuck because both teams are horrible?”

    Been a Yankee fan my whole life, never been dilusional though.

  106. mel August 13th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Long might be gone, but that’d be one of the unfair realities of the business. Stupid hitters.

    Girardi won’t fight to protect Meacham. He’ll just want it done in the offseason in a dignified way.

    Where’s the bring back Bowa petition?

  107. Paulio August 13th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Hank was right about Santana. He was right about Joba. I hope he goes 2 for 3.

  108. bru August 13th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    the yankees did suffer to many injuries to overcome but they have no chance whatsoever to go antwhere,there are many teams better.i think the hitting just couldn’t cover for the terrible pitching so they lost the fight.i would trade cano if the yankees can get a good pitcher but only for pitching.the yankees spent on position players and nothing on pitchers.they need to rebuild the pitching staff,let all the free agents go,all of them,maybe consider mussina as the 5th at the right price and maybe abraeu for a lot less than 16 million,force posada to dh or first base,get a center fielder,sign sabathia and weeks and the rotatation will be sabathia,wang,weeks,joba,mussina/hughes.damon,a new center fielder,nady or abraeu in right,arod,jeter,cano,posada or nady at first,matsui or posada or nady dh,molina and pudge platooning.2 simple moves and in 2009 the yankees can have the best pitching staff on the planet and maybe ever,can you imagine sabathia,wang,weeks,joba,mussina/hughes.giambi,pettitte,pavano alone are making a combined 48 million dollars,maybe a little more,let those three go for sure and sabathia and weeks will cost around 37 million a year so payroll drops approx 11 million.if you can get abraeu,pudge,mussina to take less wich shouldn’t be a problem then more comes off the books if not let them go and nady goes to right field and hughes get’s the 5th spot with a lot less pressure.shut joba down for the rest of the year,the yankees are going to be in big trouble if he blows his shoulder out.the yankees need to get rid of the huge contracts and get the team leaner and put a great pitcher on the mound every night of the week.how can they have a payroll well over 200 million dollars and tampa bay have a much better pitching staff??????????

  109. Laura - Thank God we're on our way home! August 13th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    I’m a big fan of Cano’s and I don’t think that he should be traded. That being said, I think that Girardi needs to take a firmer hand with this kid. His play recent has been dreadful and it doesn’t appear that anyone is speaking to him about it. Maybe if he sat out a few games, he’d get the hint that he needs to step it up and stop making these mental mistakes. It’s too bad that we traded the Attorney General; I would have liked to have had Cano sit while AG played a few games.

  110. minnesota yankee fan August 13th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    There’s still time! Wake up guys! Go Yanks!!

  111. Laura - Thank God we're on our way home! August 13th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    “You can really point to the day Farnsworth left as the day it went downhill.

    Who’d have thunk it?”

    Pure coincidence. Joba’s injury was the turning point. I think subconsciously, the players started to believe that they couldn’t win and now they are just fulfilling their own prophecy.

  112. Dave D August 13th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    I have a feeling that Cashman will trade Hughes for a young offensive player.

    You read that SI article and his quote in which he sounded disgusted about the offense and the ability to hit with RISP. And last month he made similar comments and said he told Hank he is more worried about the offense than the pitching. Sounds like Teixeria might not be the sole option.

    Even Sherman suggested our own Volquez-Hamilton trade with Hughes.

    Sabathia, Wang, Joba will presumably be in our rotation. We could bring back both Andy and Mussina or sign one of them and sign Sheets or Garland. That would allow us to be 5 deep and use the excess pitching to get some young position players. Time to get younger, more athletic, better defene and more 5 tool guys out there.

  113. mel August 13th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    You know who hasn’t quit? The players. They’ve seen enough to know that anything can happen.

    Losses by Boston and TB today would really help. :)

  114. yankee2123 August 13th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    When the Yankees play Boston at the end of this month they will be about 9 games out of the WC. After the series, they will be all but eliminated.

  115. G. Love August 13th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    The strange thing about my perception of this team is that I really think guys like Damon, Giambi, Arod, the catchers, Nady and Abreu (to some extent) are trying.

    When I watch a game, the people who seem like they are not trying are Cano, Melky, Betemit. They show little to no brains on at the plate and in the field.

    Today wasn’t the first team we didn’t see Melky vocally assert himself during a play in the field and a collision/error was the turnout. There’ve been many times with him and Abreu and Damon when he has miscommunication.

    Cano is a waste of talent. I pray he is off the team before next season. I just think he’s demolished most of his trade value, but there will be the GM in another town who thinks the NY pressure cooker got to him and will take a chance on him. This off season is the last season to trade him with value.

    He isn’t going to get better. When there is more responsibility and pressure put on him, he wilts. He’s mentally not a great player. People say the same about Manny, but Manny is one of the smartest hitters I’ve ever seen. Cano doesn’t have an ounce of smarts. He’s all potential and after 4 going on 5 years, we’ve seen the best of him.

    He’s not interested in getting better. He just wants the money. Well he got it and he duped this organization into thinking he had heart and desire to be a champion.

    He has neither of those things. He’s a punk. He should be ashamed of himself for how he has conducted himself on the field this past week.

    If this team had any stones, they would send this guy to Trenton for the rest of the season, but they won’t because Girardi is terrified of losing anyone in that clubhouse.

    We thought Torre wanted to be Mr. Nice Guy. Man, Girardi wants to be the prom king.

    As for Betemit, he’s got to be one of the worst fundamental baseball players I’ve seen in a long time. Cashman needs to back off and stop protecting him because he lusted for him. He’s not developing.

    Those three guys are awful. They are guilty for where we are in the standings right now.

    The mental errors. The wasted at bats. The lazy sloppy play.

    Whoever said Torre wouldn’t stand for this garbage is right. He wouldn’t.

    We’d have Miguel Cairo at 2b by now and at least Miggy would be playing hard and moving runners over instead of Robinson “I got my Money!” Cano at 2b who plays day in and day out like a dog.

  116. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    “You know who hasn’t quit? The players. They’ve seen enough to know that anything can happen.”

    You been watching the past week? They gave up as soon as Joba started clutching that right shoulder last week.

  117. yankee2123 August 13th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    21-20 the rest of the stretch. Final record will be 85-77.

  118. nyyfaninlaaland August 13th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    AB – ha!

    I was being a bit sarcastic there, and making a point about how far behind (or willing to turn a blind eye) baseball can be. The “hey, it was doctor prescribed” defense.

    Of course, in 3 years we’ll have the Lucchino Report on Ritalin use in Baseball. Bud will assure us MLB acted promptly when the reality of the situation became apparent. And no Red Sox players will be mentioned. Cano will be the Barry Bonds of Ritalin.

    For those not following, this last part is flippant. Look that up in your dictionaries.

  119. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Considering that A-rod will likely wind up with his worst production numbers of his career this year, its safe to say hes spending too much time with the material girl.

  120. S.A.-I want to believe in this team, but they make it hard to do so. This offense is still offensive. August 13th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    I don’t think there is any doubt that if Johan is pitching in the Bronx this team is in first place.

    Really? I don’t think so.

    Would the Yankees have given him any run support to win those games that he pitched? How many times this season have we seen great/good pitching go to waste because the Yankees couldn’t score a run if their life depended on it. Santana pitching every 5th day would have been nice, but it was/is no guarantee that the Yankees would have been in 1st place.

    Plus with the way injuries have killed the Yankees, Santana probably would have slipped on the mound, broken something and be out for the rest of the season.

    He isn’t here. Enough with Santana.

  121. Buddy Biancalana August 13th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Kevin Long won’t be fired, they just gave him a 3 year deal, almost unheard of for a coach.

    Meacham is a goner fo sho’.

  122. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    “Really? I don’t think so.

    Would the Yankees have given him any run support to win those games that he pitched? How many times this season have we seen great/good pitching go to waste because the Yankees couldn’t score a run if their life depended on it. Santana pitching every 5th day would have been nice, but it was/is no guarantee that the Yankees would have been in 1st place.”

    Thats probably the worst thing, if they were scoring like they should we would be in the mix. Just think of the wasted starts off the top of your head. Razzy got screwed out of at least 3-4 wins, Ponson has gotten cheated out of 2-3, Andy a few, Giese a few and even Joba. This offense is like a masterpiece in failure.

  123. G. Love August 13th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Unless the Yanks somehow plan on going 30-11 the rest of the year, this season is over.

    They have to play 19 games above .500

    Good luck.

  124. Laura - Thank God we're on our way home! August 13th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    “Considering that A-rod will likely wind up with his worst production numbers of his career this year, its safe to say hes spending too much time with the material girl.”

    Or his pending divorce is affecting him more than we thought it would.

  125. BBFan August 13th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    “When the Yankees play Boston at the end of this month they will be about 9 games out of the WC. After the series, they will be all but eliminated.”

    When the Yankess play Boston at the end of this month they will sweep Boston and move within 2 games of wild card race.

    Let us wait and see, time will tell in two and half weeks.

  126. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 13th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    willis

    I don’t think it is stupid. But I think Cano is more of a bad influence of Melky, than the other way around.

  127. Al from BK August 13th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    ““When the Yankees play Boston at the end of this month they will be about 9 games out of the WC. After the series, they will be all but eliminated.”

    When the Yankess play Boston at the end of this month they will sweep Boston and move within 2 games of wild card race.

    Let us wait and see, time will tell in two and half weeks.”

    Unless Joba and Franchise are up here pitching well and fast I dont see us getting close enough for that series to matter.

  128. Paulie D August 13th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Bill Veeck once said, “It isn’t the high price of stars that is expensive; it’s the high price of mediocrity.”

    wise words

    ya listenin’, Cash?

  129. jennifer- I got your back Girardi August 13th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    E-Man

    While it would be logical for him to have told someone if he is having issues. He is a guy who is a journeymen who is finally pitching. He sees Hughes and Pavano creeping up. He is likely afraid to tell anyone he is hurting for fear that he’ll go on the dl and lose is spot on the roster. I can’t really kill the guy for it.

  130. HR against Minny was NOT a Choke, can A-Rod keep it up ? August 13th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    this is insane….let’s just call the 2008 Yankees the “M*A*S*H Soldiers” and be done with it….It is not in the cards this year, folks…..It is too bad that Yankee Stadium is going to fade off into the sunset with a whimper, but barring a complete miracle, that is what we are looking at. If were a MLB Pitcher, I would be afraid to be named a starter for NYY this year….it is a much better shot than not that you will end up on the DL….WOW ! :-(

  131. gayle August 13th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    I am going to throw something out there that has been discussed by few but I really think needs to be addressed and looked at when talking about the future makeup of this team.

    This is a team that seems to be put together with the hope of out sluggin their opponent. We have all talked about how Girardi said he wanted to get back to basics, how we thought he would play a bit more NL style of baseball hit and run etc etc.

    Here is what I see as the biggest problem about that. He DOES NOT have the players that allow him to do it.

    Who can you count on on this team to lay down a good bunt when needed. Certianly not Cano, sometimes Molina (and we sure didnt count on him for this season), maybe and big mayb e Melky. That is it.

    WHo on this team can you count on to give themself up for a sac fly when needed. I can count on maybe 2 players of the starting 8.

    Who can we count on to take the extra base when called for, who is aware enough to see where the fielders are playing and know when to go and when not to go. Jeter (for sure), Arod and used to be Bobby but not anymore.

    If this is the style of baseball that Girardi wants to play and a style that I think needs to be played there needs to be major overhaul on this team on the type of players brought in OR when players dont do what they are supposed to do ie laydown the bunt properly punishment (kangaroo court type) needs to be given.

  132. Joe from Long Island August 13th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Based on the games that I’ve been watching/listening to, unless Joba, Phil, and whomever else throws a shutout everytime out, we’re not doing anything.

    The hitters have to hit, we have to score, and stop doing dumb things on the field.

    The Yankees have been their own worst enemy at too many times.

  133. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Gayle:

    Don’t you think a good manager should be able to tailor his game to the players he has? This isn’t anymore apt to be a National League style team next year than it is this year. Also consider this: Look what National League style baseball has done for the National League.

  134. Bronx Jeers August 13th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Oh now is geise is down. Well I guess we can throw away the KC series even though he wasn’t supposed to pitch. But that’s their MO this season. Injuries oooohh scary injuries! Obviously Wang was a major blow but the rest you got a deal with. Damon, Posada, Matsui are all part of baseball. You want an injury free season, don’t sign older guys. Bottom line , this lineup should have been able to overcome the shortfalls caused by injury. And we can point the finger at pretty much all of them. A couple of exceptions at most. We’ll need more than “a veteran starting pitcher” to get this team righted.
    Joe was supposed to be such a disciplinarian but their play is frequently contemptible.

  135. gayle August 13th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Fredo I am talking more than just a national leagu style I am talking basic fundamental baseball. Sacrificing, taking the extra base when available.

    If we have to wait to hit a 3 run HR each and every time out this is the type of results we should expect to see over the next few years.

    I also agree that a manager should tailor to the team he has but again we talk about creating runs and not waiting for the blast we dont even have the type of players right now that can do that on a consitent basis.

  136. Yoooo August 13th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    This year has been like the several past years, with the SMALL exception of not having Joe Torre on our staff, as our manager.

  137. Fredo Corleone August 13th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Something tells me Lester will manage a big lead over Texas better than Chuckles Zink and his bullpen buddies did.

  138. ray (sox fan) August 13th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    I found Hank Steinbrenner’s comments yesterday very interesting.

    He something about the fact that the Yankees would sign a front line veteran pitcher in the off season if they needed to in order to be very competitive next year.

    I think that is Steinbrenner’s way of saying that the Yankees will go all out to sign CC Sabathia after this season. It will be interesting if the Sox and other teams get involved in the bidding process.

    If Hughes gets his act together for next year you guys would have a formidable starting rotation that could include Hughes, CC, Joba, Wang and who knows about Moose and Pettite.

  139. george August 13th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    wow, another injury. i guess that means the Yanks’ idiot half-owner can feel free to just cancel all 41 games so everyone is fresh for next year.

  140. Bad Scooter August 13th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    “Considering that A-rod will likely wind up with his worst production numbers of his career this year, its safe to say hes spending too much time with the material girl.”

    “Or his pending divorce is affecting him more than we thought it would.”

    Or maybe those 20 or so games he missed will be the reason his overall number are down. Stop the inasanity.

    Arod
    Career OPS .969
    2008 OPS .996

    Again.
    Career OPS .969
    2008 OPS .996

  141. Vrsce August 13th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    Blame the manager is a really idiotic reason for the Yankees poor performance.

    An easy statement to make, hard to prove. The sort of knee jerk reaction that might be expected from fans used to constant gratification, sort of like spoiled royyen children

  142. randy l August 13th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    one word i’ve come to hate on this blog is “rational”.

    the reason is that when a competition is going on so may things happen so fast, some things either just work or don’t work.

    there’s no reason sometimes that’s apparent. for instance the team was on a roll after the break. nady and marte seemed like god pick ups. but when pudge rodriguez was added and farnsworth removed something happened to the team.

    maybe it was a coincidence, maybe not. the point is when that change was made, the team went bad. if it could be reversed, great, but you can’t do that in this situation. so another change or more needs to be made to get the mojo back.

    if something doesn’t work change it asap. there needs to be a bias towards action in the heat of battle and not a bias to understand why something works. that’s for later. when the crap is flying just get the job done.

    right now girardi needs to figure out what works and beat it to death. the team can be blown up later.

  143. pat August 13th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    “Or maybe those 20 or so games he missed will be the reason his overall number are down. Stop the inasanity.”

    Thank you!!!

  144. R23 August 13th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Lester turning into a front line pitcher is the reason why we won’t catch Boston. Hughes didn’t deliver.

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