Jeter remains confident … to a point
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Derek Jeter didn’t play today. But he stopped in the clubhouse to talk to reporters. After brushing off questions about his left foot, he addressed the state of the team.
For the first time, you got the sense that Jeter is worried.
“It was a bad trip, you can’t sugarcoat it,†he said. “We need to fix some things.”
Jeter has played 13 full seasons with the Yankees and been to the postseason each year. He said several times that he remains confident that streak will remain intact.
Then WFAN’s Sweeny Murti asked a good question. Does Jeter think his teammates are as confident as he is?
“They better be,†Jeter said.
Thanks for reading today. The Yankees are off tomorrow and I have a flight back to New York. But there will be a post or two.
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If only Jeter can take that confidence and turn it into hitting the baseball then maybe we can win some games.
If we miss out on Sabathia, who would be your plan B….
Sheets or Oliver Perez?
Is Jeter’s hand still bothering him? Several people said he had a broken had after Baltimore’s Cabrera hit him. Can’t be fun to play through that. I get the sense he’s really trying, but these are trying times.
Time for these Yankees to become gamers.
maybe Jeter can ask Cano for some hitting advice. He seems to be a favorite of many on this blog. after all Cano is about the 9th best 2b in the AL this year.
this year is Jeters worse in his career but he still is one of the best SS in the game…
Cano should see a therapist tomorrow….
Oliver Perez… He is not going to be a Yankee, never happen..
Is there any doubt that Jesus Montero is going to be a stud for the Yanks someday. I know he’s only in low A, but he is only 18. I don’t know what position the kid will be playing, but coming into today.
.324 .373 .854 31 2B 13 HR 70RBI
1-1 today so far with a 2 run bomb and a walk.
Did I mention he’s only 18 freakin’ years old?
one word i’ve come to hate on this blog is “rationalâ€.
the reason is that when a competition is going on so may things happen so fast, some things either just work or don’t work.
there’s no reason sometimes that’s apparent. for instance the team was on a roll after the break. nady and marte seemed like god pick ups. but when pudge rodriguez was added and farnsworth removed something happened to the team.
maybe it was a coincidence, maybe not. the point is when that change was made, the team went bad. if it could be reversed, great, but you can’t do that in this situation. so another change or more needs to be made to get the mojo back.
if something doesn’t work change it asap. there needs to be a bias towards action in the heat of battle and not a bias to understand why something works. that’s for later. when the crap is flying just get the job done.
right now girardi needs to figure out what works and beat it to death. the team can be blown up later.
Oliver Perez is a pitching version of Cano.. the dizziness, the casual style, the inconsitstency..
PASS>>>
I’m confident Jeter is getting old.
That might be the strongest words I’ve heard from Jeter ever. Now we obviously don’t know what goes down between him and the team but from the outside I’ve always felt he’s too passive. If that’s the case now would be a prudent time to stop blowin bubbles and start blowin a little steam.
Bad Scooter we will find out in about 3 or 4 years or more…
Tell me how he does after he fails for a month straight…
I don’t sense one ounce of Jeter’s bravado in the Cano, Melky, Betemit crowd.
I really think Arod, Abreu, Damon, Nady and Giambi are trying, but I think the knowledge that the bottom of the order is a giant offensive black hole puts even more pressure on them to do something before the scrubs get up.
Seriously, we’re playing 6 vs. 9 offensively people. Damon, Jeter, Abreu, Arod, Giambi and Nady are it. The other 3 spots in the batting order are garbage.
The sad thing is Boston has the same problem with their order. Their bottom 3rd is underperforming too, but their top 6 guys are getting the job done.
It’ll be interesting to see if the wheels come off at home this weekend and the crowd lets them have it.
Be prepared for the likes of Oliver Perez when Sabathia takes the Dodgers money.
That is why you needed to strike while the iron was hot for Santana.
Now you will pay just as much for some second rate pitcher.
“Is Jeter’s hand still bothering him? Several people said he had a broken had after Baltimore’s Cabrera hit him.”
Yes, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Jeter’s been playing with a broken hand.
THE LEGEND GROES!
I posted this in the in-game thread but Suzyn Waldman’s post game show included a quote from an anonymous player in the clubhouse saying…
“Aren’t we tired of always tipping our cap to the opposing pitcher?”
All of the bad vibes and horrendous play is catching up to the players. They know they are shoveling ‘you know what’ against the tide.
The only thing that matters now is using the remaining 40 games and making something happen. It can be done and until some players start making it happen and getting on each others’ backs and pushing each other along, it’s going to be a long winter for us.
We’ll see stuart, but the kid is raking in a pitcher friendly park and league. Many thought he’d wear down as the season went along being only 18 and catching 1/2 the time and he has only gotten better. Last 24 games he’s battting .432 with 5 HR’s and 18 RBI’s.
The hand thing ain’t buggin’ Jetes in BP so enough w/ that excuse. Right now it’s a team wide thing.
BTW for you minor league followers
Jackson another double
Carmen and Jesus went yard
Talk to me about Montero in 2 years.
I’ve seen enough Yankee prospects proclaimed to be God’s Gift and laughed at it.
Eric Duncan, Tabata, Kennedy, etc. Let them prove it like Joba before we get all excited.
R23,
Paying twice as much would be trading young, high-ceiling talent and then having to pay the 140M dollar contract on top of that.
Just paying a large contract is a totally different thing.
R23
Why do you think CC goes to the Dodgers? I think Steinbrenner and Cashman are prepared to open the checkbook and do whatever it takes to sign Sabathia this off season.
“Aren’t we tired of always tipping our cap to the opposing pitcher?â€
I guarantee you that was one of our starting pitchers saying that.
Bad Scooter if he can be here earlier that is fine with me.. The yanks are quite patient with most of there prospects so he is definitly a few years away but I have heard he is a big time slugger, imagine a homegrown slugger what a concept…
Boston trots out Beckett, Lester and Dice K. And when they send out a rookie they score 19 runs for him.
Does it matter if Julio Lugo or Jed Lowrie is hitting .250 with that pitching starting games?
We can’t match up in the rotation.
Like Sheep without a Sheppard
by Hobbie
The players take the field
The Anthems played and sung
The stadium looks gorgeous
Awash in twilight sun.
The facade dressed in bunting
the colors: red, white, Blue
the fans are seeking mortgage loans
to buy a beer or two.
The Bleacher creatures calling out
the roll call of the names
despite Hall of Fame credentials
we can’t seem to win a game
But something undefinable
is absent from the stage
It seems our SHEPPARD lost his voice
his flock doth wail and rage.
The silence of the voice of God
heard all the years before
Since the Yankees played the whiz kids
and took the prize in four.
No more will SHEPPARD’s baritone
in manly tones ring our
DEREK JETER, NUMBER TWO
before he makes an out.
If we now lack the voice of God
to keep our foes in awe
this run might turn out similar
to nineteen fifty four
Oh somewhere in this fabled land
the sun is shinning bright
and somewhere they have DDT
to drive all bugs from sight.
But if the voice of God is gone
from River Avenue
We might as well tear down the place
and next door build a new.
Not only is the curtain ringing down on our favorite stadium but our favorite stadium announcer, Bob Sheppard, is in declining health and may not ever announce another game or see the new park open.
There is a countdown on the voice of God also.
I live in LA Mccourt is cheap and a terrible owner.. they lose Nomar and penny and kent off the books but still have schmidt, andruw, pierre, and others.. I bet they are dumb enough to sign Manny to a big deal and that will eliminate CC. They have Billingsley and Kershaw 2 stud young pitchers…
Yea Brandon,
Waldman said she didn’t bother to tirn around to confirm who said it but that she’s pretty sure she recognized the voice. She left it at that.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if it were a starting pitcher. Moose?
Oy.
They better be..?
What Jeter, you don’t know?
I am sorry. I am a fan since the early seventies.
I love Jeter. He is a champion and will allways be remembered as a clutch player.
But he is NOT handling his role as captain anymore.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if it were a starting pitcher. Moose?
That sounds like something Pettitte would blurt out when he’s pissed off
R23 then just give up and be quiet..
yeah boston is loaded, they can beat the 27 yanks.. they have 212 hitting catcher(but he does all the little things), they have a terrible SS situation, there CF can’t throw or hit, they have no bullpen, yea they are unbeatable you are right.
give them the trophy it is over. WAH WAH wah, another whining yankee fan.. Let me guess fan since 98?
“young, high-ceiling talent?”
I’ll give you Hughes. But you do realize you have to give up something to get something. There are no guarantees once a player hits free agency. Most teams don’t let ace level pitchers reach it. Ie Zambrano, Oswalt.
There is no guarantee that Sabathia is coming to NY. He just as well may go to Queens since he apparently likes hitting. Not every player it motivated by money.
That is why you do the deal when you have the chance. You lock up Santana.
That 140 mill for Santana will be a bargain come December. You’ll see. When you see Ben Sheets get 6 yrs and 17 mill and Burnett and Ollie P get the same and more. We’ll look back and say we had a bargain with Santana and blew it for Kennedy and Melky.
Hughes can be good but he’s no sure thing. He doesn’t have ave stuff. He has maybe #2 stuff. maybe if everything works out right for him and his 3rd pitch develops. We have the young sure thing in Joba.
Hughes was expendable to get the proven lefty ace. And lefty’s are something the system lacks. We got tons of high end, high ceiling righty’s down there.
I posted this in the in-game thread but Suzyn Waldman’s post game show included a quote from an anonymous player in the clubhouse saying…
“Aren’t we tired of always tipping our cap to the opposing pitcher?â€
I missed the post game show, so I didn’t hear this. Interesting. I know I’m tired of it and it looks like the players are too
How long have we been waiting for them to snap out of their offensive funk? Since the season began?
They are not dead…yet. It’s more like they were just transferred to the Intensive Care Unit. A bad series vs. the Royals and they might go on life support and if things don’t get better after that..pull the plug.
So with the Giese injury, might we see Phil Hughes up here earlier than expected?
TD that’s why I miss Jorge
I hope the Yankees sign Melky to a 10-year deal, and lock him in. There aren’t many outfielders in the league who can play regularly with a .633 OPS – only one, really, the great Carlos Gomez of the Twins. He’s really the key to the future.
“give them the trophy it is over. WAH WAH wah, another whining yankee fan.. Let me guess fan since 98?”
That’s hilarious coming from the biggest whiny little brat here. You’re a joke, stuart.
What are you? 12? You finish your summer reading yet, stewie? Run along now. It’s grown up time, son.
Stuart,
I know you wonder why Sox fans like myself visit here. Partly to give a Sox perspective when they are being talked about.
I will readily admit that the Sox have many weaknesses, but they presently don’t have a “terrible shortshop situation”.
Actually far from it. Jed Lowrie is hitting around .290 and has as many RBI’s as Lugo did only Lowrie has them in half as many at bats. And Lowrie has been good in the field so the shortshop situation is not currently one of our problems.
my elbow hurts!! OUCH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfPxWAoIXbY
Not for the faint of heart. From the Olympics today.
Since this year is over, I am already looking forward to next year.
How does this lineup and rotation look for opening day, 2009?
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Tiexeria 1B
Matsui DH
Nady LF
Posada C
Cano 2B
Rotation: Sabathia, Wang, Chamberlain, Pettitte or Mussina, Hughes
Half the reasons for not doing the Santana trade was that no one wanted to give a pitcher a long term deal.
Now you want to give 160+ mill and 7 yrs to Sabathia? A guy who has said on numerous occasions how he is a small town guy and loves the West Coast? Not to mention he has a bad body and a lot of mileage on that frame/arm.
If you were going to gamble on a pitcher wouldn’t it have been Santana?
I don’t want to hear how he’s lost stuff. He still blows away whatever Hughes is packing in his arsenal. Even with reports of 100mph in Scranton.
Who knows. Maybe Milwaukee signs him. You do know every team is flush with cash and they do have a brand new ballpark there and money to spend.
R23 good comeback . The Yanks did play baseball before 1998.
I learned a long time ago to not pick on the weak and foolish, good night little boy….
Captin…groes? Seriously?
I don’t think the decision is who would be plan b after sabathia. You make decisions to improve the team over the long run. If we can’t sign sabathia to a contract that accomplishes that goal we don’t just sign someone else. We should sign someone else if we think it will improve the team. Signing people for the sake of them signing them is a) stupid and b) a big reason we get stuck paying guys like giambi, pavano, farnsworth, etc. Tens of millions to underproduce.
I know the owner of the Brewers I will bet your whole allowance Sabathia and Sheets are gone..
The Brewers are not signing Sabathia for $160 mill , no chance zippo, not happening…
You got to give the Sox credit. There is a reason they are ahead of us. And they have had some terrible injuries and non performance.
Their owner isn’t making excuses and guaranteeing titles next year.
They also traded their clean up hitter for 50 cents on the dollar. Their #3 hitter is all kinds of hurt. There #5 hitter missed the start of the yr and now he’s back on the DL. Their rookie CF has been inconsistent at best and now he’s hitting 9th. Their catcher is Chad Moeller lite. They lost their starting SS to injury.
Their pen is horrendous. Bucholz has been awful. Schilling has missed the season. Beckett has not been Beckett from all the innings last Oct. Dice K missed time with a shoulder issue.
And they got a 6 game lead on us.
Excuses are just that. Excuses.
Jeter is the player who said the tipping your cap to the other pitcher quote.
“We need to fix some things” said the captain. Ohhh …. and how long has this been apparent ? This team is full of Christmas shoppers that wait until late on Dec. 24th before deciding it’s time to start moving.
Gotta do this – gotta do that ….. HELLO !!!! – - it’s getting late early.
Half the reasons for not doing the Santana trade was that no one wanted to give a pitcher a long term deal.
That and Santana declining year after year and giving up prospects too.
CC right now has shown he is better than Santana and more durable.
FYI stuart:
I don’t stoop to the level of trolls like yourself. Good night to you, son.
i dont get why all the simulated 2009 lineups have posada towards the end. he has an onb of .400 and a switch hitter with great power.
“How does this lineup and rotation look for opening day, 2009?”
expensive
Brandon-
Do you really believe Kevin Long is the problem?
aceves 5.0 8 4 4 1 1 0 5.28 tonite
Jeter is the player who said the tipping your cap to the other pitcher quote.
LOL I highly doubt it.
Brandon-
Do you really believe Kevin Long is the problem?
His hitting methods that he is preeching IMO are a big part of it.
Santana was guaranteed to be in pinstripes.
Sabathia is a prayer and settle for Ollie Perez.
Seems like an easy choice from this view. Sad that they are all going to make more than Santana too.
You don’t think the Rangers need pitching??? The Tigers??? Mariners??? There are some deep pocket teams dying to get these guys. It’s no slam dunk he’s in the Bronx next year. Maybe he even goes back to Cleveland.
We could end up with Ollie as the big signing for the same amount as we could have had Johan. Just a little difference in performance and track record.
First off, Sabathia does not have a lot of mileage on his arm. The Indians worked him hard when he was 21 years old, but he didn’t reach 200 innings again until he was 26.
Second off, the bad body stuff is pretty much proven to be nonsense. Lots of pitchers with so-called “bad bodies” have had tremendous careers. Lots of pitchers who supposedly had perfect bodies and mechanics (IE, Mark Prior) broke down within a few years. Nobody would say that Carl Pavano has a “bad body”.
Whether they go after Sabathia or not is still not exactly known. Whether he’ll come to the Yankees or not is still not known. But in my opinion, it would make plenty of sense for the Yankees to go after him very hard.
At what point can we stop hearing about Santana? The trade didn’t make sense. Minny was trying to fleece NY and Santana wanted too many years. Of course he’d be great now, but how about in a few years? Besides, it’s really the offense that’s been killing us this year. Even when the pitching is great, we still lose.
That ship has sailed people. A long time ago. Let it go already.
Hanks comments are a joke and the injury whine is a joke also. Hank should keep his mouth closed but in America inheriting wealth allows you to say any stupid thing you want. Thank god Hal has equal power…
Ray like you need to tell me the sux perspective.
I have told you before I do not really care for the sux perspective if I did I would go to a sux blog or go to espn.
Yeah Jed Lowrie is a future superstar with his astounding range and athleticism.
Sorry to be rude Ray but your scouting skills are not exactly Gene Michael level..
I think you come here because you are lonely and need a friend because there is absolutely no other reason for a sux fan to come to this site..
As I said the sux are quite flawed just the Yanks may be more flawed mainly because our offense has fallen off a cliff. Damon he is the only guy who has gotten it done offensively all year and to be fair Nady has had a good 3 weeks..Imagine that is it. Jeter, Abreu, Giambi, Arod, Matsui, Jorge, and on and on, all have not done there job.
R23 CC wants to win too. He’s not going to settle for Sea and Tex
Brandon,
Did you give all the credit to Long last year for leading the league in runs?
Be consistent at least.
Brandon
Never doubt me!
From Newsday:
“Derek Jeter echoed that sentiment, saying: “You always feel as though you should be able to score. Sometimes a guy shuts you down, but we’ve got enough guys who can hit the ball that we should be able to score. You get to a point where you get tired of always giving the pitcher credit.”
Huby, that’s what I want too. Sign CC and Teixeira, no one else. I’d bring Abreu back, although I’m not sure the Yankees will. He has been one of the few that actually has produced this year and think he’s hard to replace.
Brandon – Texas isn’t that too far behind us in the wild card. Plus it is a lot less “big town” and has a lot less media chaos. And, oh yea, Texas actually scores runs during games.
But I agree that Seattle is not realistic.
R23,
Santana is 10-7 with a era of .289 pitching in AAAA ball…
If you put him in the AL east you add a least a run per 9 to his ERA. That is NOT worth giving up Hughes, Melky and Kennedy. These kids may or may not ever reach their potential but to give up on them after a few starts in MLB when they are 21 and 22 is foolish.
Kennedy and Melky for Santana I would have no problem with adding Hughes is just stupid.
Santana would not save this team right now. Besides, the way things are going in this organization Santana would probably require TJS if he were pitching for the Pinstripes.
Brandon,
Did you give all the credit to Long last year for leading the league in runs?
Be consistent at least.
Didn’t I finish saying last before that he stood out w/ the offense but his methods is more of teaching hitters to be power hitters than successful hitters. Again he took credit, he was paid through the nose because Alex had a Superman cape last year, but this year you damn right you can point the finger at Long. The situational hitting examples per AB stink this year. What is he being paid for stand around and watch it happen or fix it to his best ? This Kevin Long is a big part of the problem. 1-9 these hitters have struggled especially the young ones.
RSM,
You’re going to hear about Santana for decades because it was that type of move. Get over it.
Brandon,
What place was TB in last yr? Sea won 88 games last yr and would have CC, Felix, and Bedard. Hmmm.
Texas has shown they will overpay for pitching and they are over .500 with rookies littered around the rotation.
There are plenty of places CC can go if he wants to win and get paid. The Mets will be in it since they got no farm system. Ditto the Tigers. Even the Sox will kick the tires.
As much as I’d love to have him don’t place all next years eggs in CC’s basket. It ain’t a guarantee.
Brandon-
What do you mean about “his methods”? What were wrong with his methods last season?
stick a fork in them yankees were finished
pat thanks for that quote, kind of surprise in a good way he said that, but it really doesn’t change anything on how I feel about him as a leader.
I don’t think that’s Long’s philosophy. Telling each hitter to hit it out of the park? No one teaches a hitter to be a power hitter. That’s ridiculous. Have you ever played the game??
I find it hilarious that he would be blamed because guys like Melky can’t hit.
Does he get credit for having the leading hitter in the league??
Long isn’t the problem. I know you want to vent and blame someone but get real.
Yeah Texas is a good option for Sabathia.. A place that is over 100 degrees for over 1/2 the baseball season that is hitting friendly for a team that has never won a playoff series..
Yea and Texas is on the west coast!!!!
Teams will survive if they do not get Sabathia also..
Oliver Perez on the Yanks I am still laughing at that one R23, that was funny you do standup??
Brandon-
What do you mean about “his methods� What were wrong with his methods last season?
From what I see he tries to make hitters into sluggers, he even was preeching how Melky was going to be a power hitter, that kid hasn’t been the same since then. Now add Robi who was a spray hitter now is all first pitch swinging and trying to hit 500 ft. shots…just look at when Gardner was brought up Long day 1 had him taking BP talking about him being a power hitter…I didn’t like all of that, you can’t change a hitter’s strength some aren’t meant to be what you think and Long does this alot.
I find it hilarious that he would be blamed because guys like Melky can’t hit.
Does he get credit for having the leading hitter in the league??
Long isn’t the problem. I know you want to vent and blame someone but get real.
Before Kevin Long Melky use to drive counts to 3-2, 2-2 and spray a single or double…now you see him following what Long is trying to get him to do which has been since day 1 in 08′ swing for more power. Melky was good as he was under Long you can tell the young swingers have regressed in hitting.
After what Giese did today I think it’s pretty safe that we’ll see Phil Hughes pitch instead of him making another AAA start.
Time to start fulfilling that promise Phil.
“Yeah Jed Lowrie is a future superstar with his astounding range and athleticism.
Sorry to be rude Ray but your scouting skills are not exactly Gene Michael level..”
you know he never claimed he was a future superstar. he said SS was not a concern. you call people lonely for coming here but your extremely irritating and abrasive posting style leads me to believe you may be projecting your own feelings about yourself.
Long was Melky’s hitting coach last year and he hit .270
Agree with Rich, I was going to comment on that, but forgot. Ray is a nice guy who posts here frequently. He is always respectful and simply stated a fact. Lowrie is a solid SS who puts up good numbers.
Brandon,
Please don’t blame Long for Melky. That’s ridiculous.
Ted Williams couldn’t make him a hitter.
He was never a good hitter no matter how many full counts you think he had.
“just look at when Gardner was brought up Long day 1 had him taking BP talking about him being a power hitter”
That never happened. Don’t lie. Long never once looked at Bret Gardner and thought power hitting, long ball.
some minor shakeup moves they should try – just change the mix a bit, maybe it shakes them out of this weird malaise:
1. replace Meacham. it’s hard to improve the team’s baserunning when the 3B coach is noticeably hideous. i can’t imagine the players trust his judgement.
2. get Mienkievcz (sp?). jeez, i never thought i’d say that! but on the occasions they need a lefty 1B, he’d be a huge improvement on Betemit, who seems to think the ankle and not the knee is the bottom of the strike zone. plus Minky is a grinder, which would be good.
Thank you Rich and Josh.
I have said before that me being on this blog is like being a guest in someone else’s home, and so I try to be respectful about that.
I find that the majority of fans on this blog don’t mind hearing another perspective as long as it is half way intelligent and does not degenerate into trash talking.
Stuart has always opposed me being here, and it was my mistake to offer a clarification to his post.
R23 when you change the expectations to a hitter and have him changing things that kept him aware on just hitting the ball you have to, you just have to expect him to struggle. Just look at Melky’s minor league numbers, his OBP %, his numbers of XBH, again I didn’t want this kid getting the tought from a batting coach that he could hit for power because now it looks like that’s all he’s trying to do.
People that keep saying Kevin Long is not a problem are either afraid to say so because of the Downs incident w/ the Mets or just don’t want to look closer to what’s going on in this lineup, what habits are they continueing to do..do you see situational hitting ? do you see hitting behind the runner (which is not that hard to do)…if your batting coach can’t preech this in BP sessions then you can’t expect to see it in a game.
Long is paid for the success his batters achieve and so far he has achieved himself a pink slip in my eyes.
Rich and Josh,
You don’t have to point out stuart’s rants. No one takes him seriously enough for that.
Timlin doing his best to give the Rangers a win……now 8-4
Could Timlin be the equalizer?
Wow I find stuart’s degrading of Jed Lowrie pretty funny. Yeah he’s not special but tonight he got a couple more big hits and now has 28 RBI in like 120 AB which is better than ANYONE on our entire roster lol. He also hasn’t made an error at SS yet. As I said he isn’t special yet but that’s a seriously good start to a career.
Where is Downs or Rudy Gemenaro? (guy from Texas?)
I do agree blame needs to laid at someones feet. It isn’t going to be the manager and you aren’t going to fire Alex et al for the lack of clutch hitting.
Which Yankee said the starting pitching has been OK- It’s the hitting we need. Girardi?
Maybe the front office told Girardi they’re spending on hitters in the offseason and he’ll have to live with a starting rotation of:
Joba
Wang
Zambrano[Victor that is]
Eric Milton
Ponson
Looks like Aceves’ star as faded quickly.
Maybe the front office told Girardi they’re spending on hitters in the offseason and he’ll have to live with a starting rotation of:
LOL doubt it.
“Where is Downs or Rudy Gemenaro?”
I think Down is with the Jays and Jaramillo is with the Rangers.
I thought Jarmaillo left the Rangers.
Jennifer-
I think Rudy Jaramillo is still with Texas, having signed a 2 year extension.
Watched the Youtube of the weight lifter. What a shame. I saw where they brought out covers to hide him from the cameras. Did they shoot him????
Just looked you are correct he is still with the Rangers.
Downs is not with the Jays though, just checked.
yankee trader.
It was pretty gruesome. I mean he probably was awake when the popped it back in.
Rick Down was fired in July with Randolph from the Mets. Not sure he’s been hired by another team yet.
Looks like Aceves’ star as faded quickly.
It’s year 1 in American soil for him, he battles and may be future trade bait or at best a #4 SP in the ML
According to Wikipedia
2008:SanFrancisco Giants Advance Scout
What happens in the youtube video?
Who cares?
blah blah blah blah
When one of these losers steps forward and says “we stink, we quit, and we need to apologize to our fans”, then I’ll listen.
Look, I can deal with losing if you are giving it all you got. This team clearly is not doing that. A good number of them should be downright ashamed of themselves.
Josh-
A weight lifter in the Olympics dislocated his elbow lifting.
Ooh that doesn’t sound pretty and I’m not one for gruesome injuries.
This road trip was the absolute backbreaker of the season. If the team had won 2 of 3 in Texas, even one game in Anaheim, and 2 of 3 in Minnesota, it could have been called respectable.
The roster as it stands lacks the wherewithal to put on a winning surge. Too many right things have to happen and the teams in front won’t just collapse.
Just a few more loses and we can accept our medicine and look forward to 2009. I really don’t see much difference getting knocked out of the playoffs in a sweep and not making the playoffs
I also don’t see how a hitting coach is responsible when players are doing well except when runners are in scoring position.
Lets face it these position players have hurled when it comes to hitting in the clutch or even getting players in with less than 2 outs. Not the hitting coach’s fault.
Just like Spring cleaning – it will feel good to get rid of the dead wood and bring up new players or signees. And perhaps the new players will bring a better and fresher attitude of winning and team ball versus the current set that has so many extra circular activities.
AS much as I have said that AROD is not a ballplayer but a stat collector among his other interests, there are plenty of others that use Baseball earnings as a way to pursue other interest.
WE NEED PLAYERS THAT EAT SLEEP AND CRAP BASEBALL. THAT think getting to the WORLD SERIES is a once in a lifetime experience and crave it – not those that think getting close is good enough.
THat is the current Yanks.
eyes of realism
August 13th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
This road trip was the absolute backbreaker of the season. If the team had won 2 of 3 in Texas, even one game in Anaheim, and 2 of 3 in Minnesota, it could have been called respectable.
The roster as it stands lacks the wherewithal to put on a winning surge. Too many right things have to happen and the teams in front won’t just collapse.
Yanks won 2 in Texas but out of 4.
If we gutted the whole team. or moved them to Topeka, and started a whole new team here’s the Free agent route we could take of very cheap pickups:
Your opening day roster:
C: Paul LoDuca
1B: Tony Clark
2B: Ray Durham
SS: Nomar Garciaparra
3B: Rich Aurelia
LF: Moises Alou
CF: Jim Edmunds
RF: Cliff Floyd
DH: Jose Vidro
Starting Pitchers:
Kris Benson
Matt Clement
Mike Hampton
Jon Lieber
Kenny Rogers
Relievers:
Joe Borowski
Scott Eyre
Darren Oliver
Dennys Reyes
Tom Gordon
Mike Timlin
Todd Jones or Eric Gagne
Bench:
Luis Gonzalez
Frank Thomas
Mike Sweeney
Mark Loretta
That roster, I figure would cost the Yankees less than 40 Million, allowing time for our youngsters to develop.
Only one year contracts would be needed as the average age is probably around 37-38.
Goes to show you how weak the 2009 FA list is!!
At this point last season, the Yankees had five less losses and three more wins. More importantly, they were first in the wild card and four back in the division. Now they are 6 back in the wild card and possibly 9 back in the division. Plus, they are playing terribly, unlike last year when they were smoking. How in the world can anyone believe this team will make the playoffs? There is still time, but the chances are slim.
austin jackson has fallen off the deep end… 16 Ks and 0 walks in his last 10 games.
looks like he may need to start next year in AA again.
austin jackson has fallen off the deep end… 16 Ks and 0 walks in his last 10 games.
looks like he may need to start next year in AA again.
This is part of the reason he needs to stay down there and develope, I think 09′ as a late season call up would be realistic for him but not this year..hopefully Jerome from Manhattan understand this
looks bleak but…
quite honestly, reading this blog (which reacts to every game) I read how everyone has a few players they want out of here. Then you have others who pointed out earlier in the year that we are spoiled to think we can have an all star calibre player at every position.
Forgetting the pitching, which has had many injuries heres my thing.
C- Pudge and Molina are above average defensively and perhaps average as a combo offensively
1B- Giambi? there probably are better defenders but he hit most of the year and his numbers are above average offensively compared to others
2B- Cano- despite an “off year” maybe hes only slightly above average in the league offensively
SS- Jeter off but still above average
3B- Arod- great #`s
LF Damon- Great #s
CF- Melky? below offensively
RF- Abreu- leads team in RBIs floats around 290-295 certainly above average
Nady- above average
The team is not playing up to its potential. The individual players are not playing up to their potential. Potentially we do have all stars at every position-potentially
Now, heres where everyone goes at me. When a team, or a group, or a company is not living up to its potential the ax and the finger of blame gets pointed at the head guy in charge, or immediate supervisor.
May not be fair, but Girardi has done a super job with the bullpen. Super job. Regarding other guys? Jeter, Melky, Cano, all far below their normal seasons, and without injury.
I feel Cashman/management gave him enough weapons to start the season, when guys went down they added as much as possible, and Boston could have more injury issues than the Yankees and many of their players are playing above their potential. Management, people management, motivation skills, even at the pro level must be important.
I think Girardi has to take some of the hit, and some of his over managing has hurt them too.
I think they can still get in, but it will be tough. Lets see what they got
and tabata with a 4-4, double, SB night.. ohlendorf 7 shutout innings in AAA too.
karstens did lose his first game though to volquez and the reds yesterday
mark I still wish we didn’t deal him but on the honest tip, Tabby has been still struggling.
Ohlendorfh is 25 they dealt him at his speak, Karstens doesn’t bug me at all.
and tabata with a 4-4, double, SB night.. ohlendorf 7 shutout innings in AAA too.
karstens did lose his first game though to volquez and the reds yesterday
Honestly, don’t even pay attention to waht those guys do.
If they had stayed here they would have all either ended up getting hurt or sucking.
Black Yankee–
This is a great post.
Phil is not going to be rushed up here just so the Yankees can staunch the bleeding. He is going to be treated like the prized young pitcher he is, period. The Yankees clearly think Phil is not quite there with his stamina yet – he needs another start in AAA regardless of the situation with the big club. The Yankees can go dig up a warm body (or a corpse, if they can’t find a warm one) to take Geise’s spot if he can’t go, but I can guarantee it won’t be Phil. If it is, it will be against Nardi’s objections and I will lose all respect for Cashman.
What are “extra circular activities”?
I think you meant “Extra-Curricular activities”.
You type worse than me
I don’t see why they just don’t bring Phil up and let him do his thing at the major league level. You can still keep him on pitch counts. It’s not like winning or losing matters anymore this season. At least let him gain some experience facing major league hitters.
Plus he’s all I care about seeing the rest of this year.
I was hoping to see Moose go for 20, but that won’t happen with these losers providing no offensive support.
Geez, I just really noticed this, but you guys realize Toronto is most likely gonna pass us in the standings?
After tonight 1.5 behind us.
Wow, a 4th place finish?
Maybe the team should apologize for their pathetic efforts and lack of intelligent play by ot raising ticket prices to absurd levels.
Cashman also said last yr that Hughes wouldn’t be up before September, yet at the first sign of trouble in April with 3 AAA starts under his belt, he was up.
Cash said Kennedy would not be up until he proved to them he was ready. Joba goes down, here comes Ian. They could have brought up Chase Wright or somebody else on the 40 man, but they didn’t.
Joba was supposed to only move to the rotation by around the ASB and go down to the minors to stretch out for 4-6 weeks. Instead, they make the move around the 20th of May and 2 weeks later, he is starting, without even building him up properly.
The Yankees are NEVER consistent with what they say. If the situation arises, plans will change instantly.
With the off-day, they don’t need Hughes up to take Giese’s spot. They can just put Andy on normal rest and give Rasner the extra day… unless they want to take Rasner out of the rotation, though he did pitch pretty well today.
Maybe the team should apologize for their pathetic efforts and lack of intelligent play by ot raising ticket prices to absurd levels.
Thank You!
Boy did I need a laugh today.
austin jackson has fallen off the deep end… 16 Ks and 0 walks in his last 10 games.
looks like he may need to start next year in AA again.
I don’t see it that way at all. Jackson is a streaky hitter. That’s what he is – at least right now.
He’s having a rough stretch right now but he will catch fire and smoke the ball for a couple of weeks.
That has been the way he’s been all season. He will overcome his slump and he’ll start next season in Scranton.
You have to remember, this kid is very raw and is still learning the game. He’ll get better. We Yankee fans just need to be patient.
Geez, I just really noticed this, but you guys realize Toronto is most likely gonna pass us in the standings?
After tonight 1.5 behind us.
Wow, a 4th place finish?
I noticed that Toronto is creeping up on us in the standings.
Oy Vey
Exactly— Jackson has always been a streaky hitter. He will strikeout a lot too… so do Sizemore, Granderson, Cameron, the players in which Jackson is often compared to.
But he is a 5-tool player and can do it all. You have to live with the strikeouts though.
What do you guys think will take to wrestle Lasting Milledge away from the Nationals ?
look up yankee fan in the dictionary and you will find a picture of….stuart
toronto is 2 back of us
great rant from Mike Francesca on Hank Steinbrenner’s premature raising of the white flag. on wfan.com – look for the podcast entitled “8-13 Thoughts on Hank”.
both insightful & funny.
also, he makes a strong case as to why this team, injuries and all, has the talent to still win. definitely a morale-booster to listen to this.
Fatcessa is too close to the situation he mouthed off callers actually liking the Hank statement, it’s not waving the white flag it’s pointing out the truth.
Truth you lost a potential 19 GW SP in Wang
Truth Hughes + IPK = 0 wins as of August
Truth Georgy out for season
Truth Joba may be out for season
Truth Matsui still not healthy
Truth Damon was hurt
Truth Jetes was banged up
Truth we almost lost Arod for the season
Truth we lost Bruney for awhile
Hank is saying he’s not going to implode if things don’t pan out. It’s a sign that Cashman’s rebuilding plan will continue and CC Sabathia will probably be the only target in the offseason spending area.
You can’t continue to stop yourself from progressing the youth. It always come back to bite you.
yeah Lowrie putting up good numbers he is proven with all of 70 AB’s.. You little kiddies are funny.. Gardenr is done after 60 AB’s but Lowrie is a proven commoditty after 65 or so AB’s..
Classic.. Oh I insulted Ray, again it is so cute you share the sux perspective on this site it is so needed. We don’t get the sux perspective from ESPN or gammons or berthiume or about 5 other sux tools all over the place.
I must apologize thanks for filling me on what red sux nation is feeling.. Lugo, cora, and Lowrie you have an embarrasemnet of riches at short I was wrong.. Maybe in the offseason you can trade Lugo for Carlos Zambrano, after all Theo never makes a bad signing and all sux players are coveted all over baseball.
Didn’t the red sux brain trust actually invent baseball?? I mean Boston is the mecca of baseball they have been watching championship baseball for a 100 years or so…
Charlie Zink worked out real well last night, after all he was a boston prospect and they are always better then advertised.. He did dominate at pawtucket.. I think after last night his ERA is north of Kennedy’s.. Then again he is only 28 and has a lot of time to develop but hughes at 22 is on his last shot!!!
That is red sux logic..
ANd for the other fantasy geeks that don’t like my posts, don’t respond to them or read them, that will solve your problem..
I thinks Downs on Toronto either hurt his achilles or lis franc..
Wow…some really deep and powerful words from the “Captain”. The usual middle-of-the-road trash.
Yeah Fatcessa is great talent evaluator also some gets he wants the yanks to look into are; brandon inge.. he is hitting in the low 220’s and makes a nice pay check. the infamous bronson arroyo, he is a avg player who makes a lot of coin and has a contract thru next year. jarrod washburn”see Arroyo” , Nate Mclouth(the next mickey mantle), and
I forgot some of his other wants.. He usually picks a good player just 2 or 3 years past his prime…
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mike and the maddg spend hours and days looking at film of minor league players and going to games after all they feel they are obligated to be knowledgable for there fans since they only make millions of dollars professing to be knowledgeable sports fans…
that is why when Mike tells you the yanks can afford to give up some minor leaguee talent for some older downside former star you should believe him..
Stuart – All I was saying was that Lowrie has been putting up solid numbers at SS and 3B. He has also had a couple bit hits.
And yea, Zink completely blew it last night. Then again, it was his first start against the best offensive team in baseball. Hughes and IPK have had tons of starts this season with no wins.
I hate the Sux as much as you do, but I’m not going to make ignorant comments.
case closed
Josh.. I will take a wait and see approach on Lowrie. He may turn out to be a good player but time will tell. 20 games is not a career. Look at Cano how is he performing this year? The guy is a over 300 avg in almost 4 yrs..
Also remember fenway is a hitters paradise.. It is a factor…
Funny rant by Mike, but he’s wrong about Post Season ERA Dandy Sandy has a .095 ERA lower than Beckett, and Mathewson.
Very understandable Stuart, Lowrie could go up there and never get a hit again. And he certainly pulls many of hits into that huge ugly wall.
Stuart – All I was saying was that Lowrie has been putting up solid numbers at SS and 3B. He has also had a couple bit hits.
I like Lowrie a bit but he’s not that good. He right now has no scouting report against him sound familiar ? He’ll come down to earth, right now the best hitting prospect boston has is Kevin Youkilis and then Dustin Pedroia.
boston has hyped delcarmen, the st johns, pitcher, and many others that have absolutley not done much yet. all these teams hype and love there prospects but figuring out who will succeed is almost impossible..
that is the crazy thing about baseball it is so hard to predict who will succeed.. look at ziegler on Oakland 28 yr old minor leaguers, now has over 30 innings of giving up no runs…
Aaron Small a few years ago..Cano tanking this year… Moose turning it around this year. Moose was beyond bad last year he was actually worse then Rasner is this year..
there is so much luck in volved in this Okajima last year was out of his mind, he was a afterthought signing..
Grant balfour and CJ howell for tampa this year. Balfour was a waiver guy and howell stunk and throws 85 mph…..
CC = Cashman calling
Youkilis is 28 I think he is not a prospect….
I am amazed at how good pedroia is a 5 ft 7 guy who swings as hard as anyone, unbelievable…
Brandon,
Kevin Long does not stink.
Jeter , abreu, giambi, arod, cano, melky, molina, they stink ……Players play…I am confident the yankee coaching staff and ownership do everything in there power to allow the players to succeed.. It is the players fault, say that 10 time please….
Austin Jackson isn’t coming up. He’s maybe a late ‘09 call up. Plan on 2010.
Man Balfour knows how to get out of trouble, he is dynamite this year.
The ump for the Tampa game has no clue on the strike zone..
the 2nd strike to suzuki was a ball and strike 3 to Brton was not a strike.
Barton has ahd a real good season.. I thought Billy Beane never makes a mistake?
Beane knows pitching but hitting is another story
Stuart I think Cano turns out to be a better hitter because once Pedroia loses bat speed when he’s older he won’t be such a good contact hitter. Still I don’t knock his unreal talent at a young age.
Pedroia will still end up being the better Keebler elf.
How is it the batting coaches fault that Melky Cabrera stinks?
K-Rod with a 2 run lead about to go for #47…
If we actually do get CC, can he pitch every interleague game? Because he owns the National League.
He might take less to pitch for the Dodgers so he can try to win 30 games.
Bombshell I hope you are right. I am down on Cano. he appears so talented but mentally I do not see it.
He is a head scratcher.. This year has been a real downer on the Cano front. If he alone was doing what is expected the Yanks would have 5 more wins.. HE should be a golden glove caliber fielder and hit 300 + with 20 HRs and at least 85 rbi’s if not more..
He seems to have regressed. The guys with the talent often don’t have the mind and drive and the guys with out the talent get the head and heart…Cano neds a wake up cal, I have to beleive the Yanks are talking to him and trying to get him going…
Girardi absolves Cano for play at 2nd.
“Double plays helped Rasner in the second and the third, but his defense let him down in the fourth. After a leadoff walk to Joe Mauer, Rasner got Justin Morneau to ground to third baseman Alex Rodriguez, who whipped a throw to second.
Canó caught the ball, but he came off the bag and was charged with an error. Girardi absolved Canó, saying the runner would have been safe either way and that Rodriguez should have thrown to first.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08.....nkees.html
It is the players fault, say that 10 time please….
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Pat I saw Girardi’s comments he also said the stolen base screw up by betemit and Cano was a mistake and the Melky play was bad communication.
Girardi is the type of manager who is not going to talk bad about a player in public it is not happening… IF he does it he really would be fed up with the player.. I have not seen him do it yet.
I believe he’ll turn it around Stuart, yeah I hate him as much as anyone right now but someone on this coaching staff will get at him and wake him up, and I also have to believe he will figure it out and stop playing on cruise control. He’s gonna be a good player as long as he has the right people around him. It’s interesting that we have Kendrick, Cano, Kinsler (a year older) and Pedroia that could all be great 2B and they are all basically the same age (just the AL, then look at Uggla, Utley in the NL).
Francessa doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.
Although I agree with him that Hank is a moron, but so is Francessa.
He doesn’t even want to give the Yankee farmhands a chance and would rather see a repeat of the 1980s when the Yanks signed everyone under the sun and traded away the young kids.
Perhaps the funniest part of his rant today is that he said Pudge was a “borderline Hall of Famer” when assessing the team the last 40 games?
A borderline Hall of Famer?
Pudge is the best defensive catcher of all time and he’s an automatic first-ballot Hall of Famer unless there are more accusations regarding steroids and he has that scarlet letter pinned on his chest.
Otherwise, Pudge is as close to a lock for the Hall as Mo or A-Rod.
K-Rod coughs up save number 47, 6th blown save on a 2-run double by Reed.
pat the way I ‘m reading that quote I’m picturing one day the bases could be loaded and Robi could spike the ball on the ground while the ball is in play and the ball ends up taking a bounce to the pitcher’s mound, GI Joe would say Edwar needs to catch that ball and throw it to first next time
Has there ever been a player/strength/conditioning/hitting coach who also helped with media relations?
Maybe there’s a spot for Barry Bonds after all.
K rod with the blown save his 5th of the year to Jamie reed.
I remember when Gammons said reed would be a superstar about 3 years ago.. He has basically been a minor leaguer for the last 3 years.
People should save these predictions and laugh at how many are wrong..
Hahaha Ibanez puts the M’s in front, K-Rod is epic failing tonight and he gets thrown out by the HP Umpire for arguing a play at 2nd lololol!!!!
good night all.
I know people flame me for saying this, but I really think the money spoiled Cano.
The Yankee policy was always not to give the guy the money until they had to. There was no impetus to show Cano the money and it really was a head scratcher.
I mean seriously, if he played up to his potential, the Yanks would always settle at the mid point of the arbitration figure with him and life would be peachy until he reached free agency.
Instead, they break this policy and give a guy from the DR who probably didn’t grow up wealthy enough money to set him up for life.
So he’s no longer playing for the money. He has it. It’s not their to drive him. The money is mostly guaranteed.
Perhaps, the money was a big driving factor for Cano. I don’t blame him. If I could take care of myself and my family by playing baseball, it would definitely be a driving force to be better.
But I think what we’re learning about Cano is he never wanted to be the best. He doesn’t care about being a champion. He just wants to make sure the direct deposits show up in his account 2 times a month.
You take the dangling carrot away from the horse and you find out what desire is there to run.
I think the money was his desire and from here on in, he’ll be an incosistent player who turns it on and off and when it comes time for his options to be picked up or he’s playing for a contract, he’ll suddenly regain his old form.
Until then, what you see is what you get.
I also think them showing Cano the money messed with Melky who is probably pressing so he can get paid like Cano did.
The only problem is Melky is playing himself out of a job.
Cano may only be playing himself out of NY. With his contract, he’ll be a starter although an inconsistent maddening one.
The problem with Francessa’s rant is that he rattles off names and it sounds good and well, but none of the ‘all-stars’ are living up to their baseball card stats— that is he problem right there. When he says Damon-Jeter-Abreu-Arod-Giambi-Nady-Cano-Pudge-Cabrera like that, that lineup sounds powerful.
But let’s break it down. Damon is having a good year. Jeter is having the worst year of his career and has been a DP machine. Abreu has had a good year. Arod has had a subpar year and killed us with RISP. Giambi is hitting .250 and .220 with RISP. Cano is having a miserable season. Melky is having a miserable season. Nady is doing well so far. Pudge is a shell of his former self. Only Damon, Abreu, and Nady are performing up to their capabilities. We are on pace to score 200 less runs than last year. The lineup we put out there is merely names, not production.
The rotation is Mussina, Pettitte (who has been very average), Ponson, Rasner, and Kennedy/Giese. Even the KC Royals can throw out a better rotation than that. LOL and Francessa adds Marte to the list of big-time players, what a joke.
The problem with Mike and the Mad Dog is that they judge teams based upon how many HOF/all-star players they have on the roster, not on their current production. The team concepts completely evades their thought process.
Yes, look at the 25 man roster and there are some nice names. Compare actual production of the 25 men vs. that of our competitors and you can see why we are a reeling 3rd place team.
He also read that article at face value without reading between the lines. He inferred each quote literally. He read the last line of the article which stated Hank’s optimism for 09 and thought that was the entire point of the article, even though he started the piece stating that he isin’t giving up. But thats what journalists do… they cherry pick quotes and re-arrange them in their preferred order to create a juicer story and rile up the provincial thinkers like Francessa.
Then he takes shots at Joba, “Beckett is the 3rd best pitcher in postseason history. He wins every big game he pitches, always beats the Yankees and beat them in the WS and carried Boston to a title. What has Joba done in the postseason, swat away flies?”.
Oh wow, Teixeira ties it bottom 9, 2nd HR tonight. Man Putz is just not the same this year.
Future Yankee Teixeria with a HR off Putz to tie the game at 7.
Percival on to close it out in Oakland, 3-2 TB.
anyone see the Vlad single off of King Felix
I don’t see Teixeira wearing pinstripes next season. And a big reason for that is the uncertainty of Posada’s health next year.
If Posada can’t be the everyday catcher next season, he’ll have to play somewhere – and the DH slot will be occupied by Matsui.
That leaves first base as the only other option.
They will definitely go hard after Sabathia and I hope they get him. But don’t bet on Teixeira.
Eduardo Sosa – 2-5, 3B, SB (30th of the yr)
De Leon – 2-5, RBI triple
NY just needs to clean house. If theyre gonna spend bucketloads, atleast this time it will be on YOUNG players…..I’d love to see Sabathia, Scott Downs and perhaps even Tex in pinstripes next season. If we dont get Tex they should just swing a double whammy for Sheets AND Sabathia. Why not? This team bombed out in the playoffs last year, and wont even have a chance to bomb out in the playoffs this year. Its time to get Pavano, Giambi, Abreu, Pettitte and Mussina off this team. Shed that payroll for superstars in their 20’s and start a new era in the new ballpark. There’s no need to bring excess baggage into the new house. Give it to the salvation army.
Stunning play from Teixeira at 1B, he’s having a game. Also Ichiro and Jimmy Rollins combined are 0-11 tonight with 5 LOB, how many times does that happen.
Eduardo Sosa – 2-5, 3B, SB (30th of the yr)
De Leon – 2-5, RBI triple
Jose check thier OBP % very legit and De Leon’s is near crazy for DSL w// RISP and post allstar break.
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G. Love, I pretty much agree with all you wrote about Cano.
That contract was a huge mistake and I said as much when they gave it to him.
Still don’t understand why they did.
Bob,
If giving the contract now was a mistake, then it was going to happen sooner or later anyway. If that’s the real reason, we have a real, “winner” on the Yankees. I hope that’s not a case and it’s just a coincidence.
Mike Francesa: “Beckett is the 3rd best pitcher in postseason history. … What has Joba done in the postseason, swat away flies?â€.
Boy this is stupid. Joba has pitched 3 playoff innings. He is still a rookie. wow, it’s not just here, everyone is losing their mind because the Yankees moght not make the playoffs.
beckett had a great run in 2003 and 2007 but calm down. 3rd best in postseason history with only WS wins to his credit? He’s on his way but not in top 10, probably not even the top 20! Koufax, Ford, Bob Gibson, Rivera, Fingers, Lefty Gomez, Smoltz, Glavine, Pettitte, Dave Stewart, Mickey Lolich, Randy Johnson, allie Reynolds, Catfish. etc
should say re beckett won two series games.
CoolStandings.com gives the Yankees a less than 10% chance of making the playoffs right now.
The way I see it, the only way they make it is if they sweep both Boston & Tampa Bay the rest of the way. They’ll need to go 6-0 against each, or at worst 5-1 in order to make it.
G Love — you really think it’s a “poor Dominican” thing?
Carl Pavano.
Barry Zito.
Going back a bit, Denny Neagle.
Last year, RS fans would have added JD Drew.
It’s early, or I could come up with dozens more.
White boys from the ‘burbs can turn into millionaire toadstools with “set for life” contracts too.
And I could point to any number of dirt-poor Dominicans who have gotten serious money and still delivered the goods year after year.
I read in provious post’s about people getting on Cano.
Leave Cano alone, it’s just Cano being Cano.
MAYBE A PLAM:
Trade Cano for Hanley Ramirez. Move Jeter to 2nd.
Let them go: Abreu, Giambi, Sexson, Pudge, Betemit, Pavano, Pettit, Ponson, Rasner.
Sign Tex or Bradley and CC, Manny.
Let Damon play his contract year in CF, bringing up AJ after the ASB.
Matsui and Christian can ply LF, Matsui also DH.
Posada and Molina C, Posada can also DH.
Bring back Moose.
Line-up:
Damon CF
Ramirez SS
A-rod 3rd
Manny LF
Hideki DH
Tex or Bradley 1B
X-man RF
Posada C
Jeter 2nd
Rotation:
CC
Joba
Hughes
Moose
Giese
Pen:
Mo
Marte
Robertson
Veras
Edwar
Find a position player and some BP help.
“Trade Cano for Hanley Ramirez.”
Florida would scoff at the notion unless Hughes was added.
Hanley Ramirez >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cano
Also worth noting, your proposed lineup would likely be one of the worst defensive teams ever.
I forgot about Wang.
Rotation:
CC
Wang
Joba
Hughes
Moose.
And that’s 70,500,000. off the books.
“Trade Cano for Hanley Ramirez. Move Jeter to 2nd.”
you lost me right there. i dont even care about the rest.
why in god’s name would the Marlins trade Hanley Ramirez for Robinson Cano?
Fredo Corleone:
How do you figure on defense?
Arod 3rd, Ramirez SS, Jeter 2nd and Tex or Brad 1b
X RF, Damon CF (Melky defense late), Manny LF or Hideki (Christian defense late). Posada/Molina C
It would would have to be Cano and something, Ramirez will be do to be paid soon, Florida isn’t going to pay him unless they change their track record.
You may be a Cano supporter after yesterday, I cannot support Robbie anymore. Eat his contract and add something to a package and go after Hanley.
“It would would have to be Cano and something, Ramirez will be do to be paid soon, Florida isn’t going to pay him unless they change their track record.”
they already did pay him. they gave him like a 6 year deal.
and Hanley Ramirez is AWFUL defensively.
Teixeira is a better defensive 1B than we’ve had prob in many years, but he’s a good, not great, defensive 1B.
ARod is the only other quality defensive player on that roster. I think shifting Jeter to 2B helps him, but Manny in LF is awful, and Damon prob couldnt last physically a full season in CF anymore.
Defense has to be strong from C, 2nd, SS, CF. Robbie with the way he plays makes our defense very weak (2nd), don’t ask Jeter make a move for a SS and move Jeter to 2nd. Let Damon play CF, until the ASB then bring up AJ start his transition to CF with half the season left and Damon as a mentor.
ultimately, i think Jeter could move from SS to 2B in the future, as opposed to him moving to 1B or at least as likely as him moving to LF… but its not happening next year.
TurnTwo:
Just a thought Cano is killing us? Then maybe sign Orlando Cabrera, I still say move Jeter to 2nd.
Milton Bradley can play 1B, yes a head case at times.
Manny obviously not for defense but great situational hitter.
“You may be a Cano supporter after yesterday, I cannot support Robbie anymore. Eat his contract and add something to a package and go after Hanley.”
Cano has had a bad year. All the more reason while Florida would never consider such a ludicrous proposal (that and Ramirez is a much better player). They have Ramirez locked up to a team friendly contract. He’s going nowhere.
“Defense has to be strong from C, 2nd, SS, CF.”
True. However, with your proposed lineup, you’re not strong at any of those positions.
“Milton Bradley can play 1B”
this is the type of thing i think the yankees are going to get away from.
yes, he COULD play 1B. but Cashman is going to make this team more flexible, and better defensively, and you dont do that by signing guys for their bats and putting them in a position that is not natural to them, or somewhere they havent played regularly throughout their career.
and Cashman is not signing Manny Ramirez. it shouldnt even be in our thought process.
Don’t get me wrong, Cano is not the only one killing us, but most will be FA agents just let them go…
realistically, i see the Yanks signing CC or TEX, not both. Most Likely CC, or Ben Sheets if CC goes somewhere else.
I remember one of my teachers saying “If Albert Einstein could use a pencil, so can you”. In that same vein, if Alex Rodriguez can bust his behind every day and on every play, then so can Robby. If Robby doesn’t want to listen, he’s going to be one of those players who wears out his welcome wherever he plays. Teams will take a chance on him because of his youth and talent, but when he becomes older and his hitting isn’t quite what it once was, that list of teams will become much shorter.
TurnTwo:
Defense, well we are stuck with Posada (C) he does not want to play 1B….Jeter SS (love him) but he has lost a step, Cano (2nd) clueless and sucks at the palte (double whammy).
Melky CF offensive disaster I would trade that with Damon’s production at the plate.
At this point in the season it is almost becoming irrelavent whether the Yankees make the playoffs or not … they are falling so far behind and looking pathetically inept and disinterested in doing so.
After seeing this team make the playoffs every year since Bill Clinton’s first term as President you cant cry too much if this is the year they finally dont play in October.
No … what is killing me is how there appears to be a collective resistance about wanting to fight for this season.
If they dont make the playoffs, fine … it happens … even to the Yankees … they are not pre-ordained to make it every year and I am sure they will be back in the hunt again next year at this time.
But if you are going to lose, at least lose with a fight … I hate that they appear to be shutting down and accepting their fate. Fight until there is nothing left to fight for … and even then, still play good baseball until the schedule is over … you owe it to the ownership that pays your salary, the fans who flock to Yankee Stadium in droves and cheer you on (unlike Met fans who have it in their DNA to boo their team when times are tough), and to yourselves as the so-called “professionals” that you are.
One of the proudest seasons I ever had as a Yankee fan was 2001 … that was as painful an ending that could have happened, but I was so proud to be a Yankee fan because they gave it everything they had and left it all on the field at the end … even in defeat.
This Yankee team needs to take a page from that one and realize winning is not just about talent, it is about heart, character, and deterimination … traits that they have shown sparingly all year long.
Anyone see a reason WHY they MIGHT CONSIDER bringing Giamibi back ?
“realistically, i see the Yanks signing CC or TEX, not both. Most Likely CC, or Ben Sheets if CC goes somewhere else.”
exactly. look, if there is one thing i take from Hammerin’ Hank’s comments, is that even through they are stripping salary for next year, they are not going to be shy about putting it right back on, if that makes this team better for the near as well as distant future.
i personally think the Angels will resign Teixeira, mostly because they have money to do so, have shown the past couple years they arent afraid to add a big contract in each offseason, and they gave up their real 1B of the future to get Teixeira.
but i dont think thats going to stop Hank from pushing Cashman to try and get him.
and i think Sabathia is going to have to make a real tough decision. live close to home, and take less money, to play in LA for the Dodgers, take a boatload of cash but pitch in a bandbox in Texas, take money and go to Detroit and play for a former rival on a team which has no real guarantees for future success, or win Steinbrenner’s lottery and pitch in pinstripes. i could see the Cubs being a contender here too, especially if they get close to, but do not win, the WS this year, and Mark Cuban is given the rights to buy the team.
Next weather we get CC, Tex who ever, the Yanks have to have a line-up that will score runs. No one wants Tex, Manny, Milton..who is going to provide us with some offense, please do tell…
If you get CC, Sheets, Wang whoever unless you plan on 96 shut-outs who will produce run’s…….
“, or win Steinbrenner’s lottery and pitch in pinstripes”
You forgot to add the “no real guarantees of success” to this part.
The offense is gonna be there next year, Posada, Matsui’s clutch hitting & not to mention A-Rod is 10 HR, and 30 RBI off his normal rate.
Please don’t tell me they will play small ball, it’s obviously not part of the Yankee fundamental baseball digest, hell Melky doesn’t even bnut when he should.
Waiting to hear about the 09 offense, TurnTwo, SJ CB..
The Angels have money but the have to think about the contracts of Teixeira, F-Rod, Garrett Anderson, and picking up Vladimir’s 2009 option. That represents close to $60M in payroll.
Ronald McDonald:
Great plan Hideki is great but injury prone. Posada we will see how his rehab goes, so that’s our plan roll with that and wish for the best?
you cant sign anyone cuase these guys arent gonna be on the bench.
My point is just signing 1 or 2 FA pitcher’s isn’t going to be enough, 1st they will be pitching in the AL East guaranteed ERA increase. I dis-agree I believe they may go after Manny he’s proven he can hit in NY and Boston……
Don’t think the rivalry isn’t still alive..Manny has proven himself over and over again. Tex is the kind off 1b we need.
Ronald McDonald:
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“No one wants Tex, Manny, Milton..who is going to provide us with some offense, please do tell…”
well who wouldve thought with the lineup they currently have, they’d be struggling so mightily to score runs now?
and look at the pittsburgh lineup, or twins lineup, to start the season. did you think they would have as many, or more, runs than the yankees at this point in the season?
you score runs not because of the stars in the lineup, but because of consistent production and timely hitting.
and you win games when your pitchers give up less runs than you can score.
Cashman seems to be shying away from those high-priced signings though, thats another reason why i dont think we’ll get TEX.
“Don’t think the rivalry isn’t still alive..Manny has proven himself over and over again. Tex is the kind off 1b we need”
Forget Manny. The Yankees are not going to add yet another DH in outfielders’ clothing. They have 2 already. Damon will back next year. Matsui will be back next year. Nady will be back. Someone will play center (not Damon). That’s it. Further, Ramirez doesn’t want any part of NYC. What he disliked most about Boston was the fishbowl existence. It’s even worse in NYC. Plus, Cashman’s not giving him that contract.
“Forget Manny. The Yankees are not going to add yet another DH in outfielders’ clothing. They have 2 already. Damon will back next year. Matsui will be back next year. Nady will be back. Someone will play center (not Damon). That’s it. Further, Ramirez doesn’t want any part of NYC. What he disliked most about Boston was the fishbowl existence. It’s even worse in NYC. Plus, Cashman’s not giving him that contract.”
exactly.
btw, new postings… move the conversation to the ‘yankees playoff’ post?
Cashman’s only mistake with hindsight being 50-50 is not trading melky, hughes and kennedy for santana. The yankees cant play playoff baseball with betemint, cano and melky being unable to move runners, steal bases, make defensive plays and not being patient. Betemint is a scrub, melky a total bust this year and Cano the most disappointing at all at the plate, in the field and on the basis. is this guy really up to the tradition of being on a big stage in NY. I am sorry but he does none of the little things right and plate discipline is almost as bad as Cabrera. Wait til next year.
I know everyone wants a 100mill payroll and no stars on the Yanks team and contend for the WS, that’s a pipe dream. They will also shed payroll next year Damon, Hideki…They will try to sign both CC and probably go hard after Tex..whether they get Tex or not is another story…but CC and siging no star for run production would be a horrible off-season, we cannot really just hope Posada and Hideki will fill the void from FA leaving’s and youth…The position player’s in the minor’s will not be ready until 2010/2011…That will not sell seats……Love Joba but 140innings next year is the MAX.. Hughes is still un-proven…CC will get hit in the AL East and so will anyone else of the FA Ace’s out there. You will need a potent offense to compete.
Fredo Corleone/TurnTwo:
Play-off post that’s a joke right?
“Play-off post that’s a joke right?”
i have no clue what you’re talkin about. i just suggested taking this conversation over to the new post this morning to continue over there, which happens to be titled after the yankees playoff chances for this year.
Why doesn’t everyone BACK OFF Jeter . Do you think he’s the reason why we aren’t making the playoffs ?? Sure he isn’t having a great season . .but he’s hardly the person to starting pointing fingers at ! .
I wish half the team had the heart and desire Jeter plays with everyday ! .
The bottom line why we aren’t making the plaoffs –
1- Our Pitching Sucks
2- Timely Hitting . .We don’t have big time clutch players
3- Lack of Fundementals !