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CC, Wang or Joba to start the opener?
So we start the season with a two week roadtrip.
Joba.
Has to be Joba.
“So we start the season with a two week roadtrip.”
makes sense… buys the fellas a couple more weeks to make sure everything is done.
Funny, but I seriously doubt the Yankees would give the Home Opener to a free agent.
That’s in the vicinity of my b-day. Maybe I can find someone who will get me tickets as a present…probably not.
The Devils had a nine game road trip to start the season last year. It’s in case of building delays.
As long as the road trip is on the west coast or in domes, it’s not a huge deal.
Thats a pretty crappy opening schedule for the Yanks. You gotta figure there are probably 2 off days in that 2 weeks so that would mean there are 12-13 games on the road to start the season. Probably a west coast trip.
The home opener will be pitched by whoever’s turn it is in the rotation…its roughy two weeks into the season.
I thought the Yankees open at home before the Mets?
Joba. And when Cliff Lee loads the bases, we’ll unleash a billion gnats. Is that what you call them in New York? Or is it rats.
We also end the season at home!!
or at least we should.
No it will be hughes or peavy vs cliff lee
So that’s two weeks they might be playing where it’s warm, or indoors someplace, instead of freezing off essential body parts in the April Stadium. Should help.
It will be Rasner against Cliff Lee.
Joba should open up the new stadium
Wang/Joba/Hughes/Peavy?/CC? vs Lee
“CC Sabathia against Cliff Lee?”
Better not be Sidney Ponson v Lee!
April 16th is a Thursday. Weird day to have a home opener.
Could be Pavano, too.
Thank again. They gave the Mets the closing weekend of the season, and allow them to open the new park the first week of the season. >:-(
Just put on YES and a Yankee Classics game from earlier this year is on. Jorge just scored on sac fly. Ah the good old days.
Yeah Joba really deserves to open the stadium over Pettitte??? You kidding me guys? If he is resigned its a DONE deal, they will make sure he will take the mound on April 16th after what he has done for this organization.
“Could be Pavano, too.”
Seriously – would not be surprised if Yankees tried to resign him – obviously for less yrs/$$.
petite no doubt if he returns.
2009 best case scenario – all players healthy and perform at career levels
) lf damon cf (unknown) rf nady of cabrera or gardner or christian or carson dh matsui
c posada/molina 1b (unknown)/miranda 2b cano ss jeter 3b rodriguez if (who cares
s wang/chamberlain/mussina/pettite/hughes
r rivera/marte/veras/ramirez/melancon/robertson/giese
2009 worst case scenario – i grab the toaster and jump into the tub!
I think as others have said that they’re opening with a road trip both to allow for finishing touches on the building and also for some extra time to (hopefully) let spring weather kick in–you know, to cut down on the chance of a snow out or 28 degree temps on opening day in the new place.
skippy good point. Maybe the Yankees stated that they’d need the extra two weeks to finish.
pat what is a sack fly?
I don’t remember the last time I saw one.
Wait, did you all hear this? Gerrit Cole is going to college and not signing…
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....r-yankees/
Bad news on the draft front
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....r-yankees/
Losing an arm like this hurts big time I don’t care what the article says this is about money and this is Cashman turning the Yankees into the Pittsburg Pirates…Bad move on his part.
VOII – did you even read the article you posted a link for?
Cole is going to college regardless of the dollar offer. Cashman can’t do anything about it.
Wow. It’s noble of him to go to college, but why enter the draft?
If I got drafted by the Yankees, I’d sign and worry about school later.
Good luck to the kid. Next!
Well that sucks about Cole. So much for him being a Yankee fan. You grow rooting for the Yankees and you’re drafted by them and you have a chance to sign with them and you don’t? Ugh!
You don’t “enter” a draft. Everyone is eligible. You can’t not enter.
” So that’s two weeks they might be playing where it’s warm, or indoors someplace, instead of freezing off essential body parts in the April Stadium. Should help. ”
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Excellent thought but will the schedule makers ever have the smarts to understand what April weather can do to invite early season injuries ?
Cole could have easily been Brian Taylor.
Good to know that the schedule is making the rounds. I am still waiting for my seat re-location infomrtion from the Yankees this has taken forever.
Regarding Cole there is still time but this has te hands of Boras writen all over it heard from others on the blog that he was asking ridiculous money and this is a high school kid a pitcher no less
No Cole? I hope this doesn’t mean that Hank is going to concede the 2014 season too.
Just kidding. Go Yankees.
Who else is sick of beach volleyball, especially this kerri Walsh and misty may pair? One is a stiff stick, the other looks like Ghetto Girl. What the H_E_LL!
There is no way Cashman gets a pass on this one…He is running this team as though it were a small market club. With 75 million coming off the books next year and a new stadium that will be a “cashcow”, how does he not sign a kid with this kind of arm? This defines penny-wise, dollar foolish. If the Yankees gave this kid a big offer like Brackman’s early on in the negotiations, this would have gotten done. Cole grew up a Yankee fan. he will never get this chance again…The Yankees will get a compensatory pick for him, but this will only replace the one they give up when they sign CC. With Cashman in charge even that is in doubt… Welcome to small market baseball my fellow Yankee fans.
We should have known better than to draft a kid with character/maturity issues and a huge ego. The minute he refused to do interviews because he wanted to play golf, I had a bad feeling about him.
Looks like this draft is the Brett Marshall show and nothing else.
Where are you guys getting the idea that Peavy will be a Yankee next year?
No way Cashman gets a pass on this one? What?
What was Cashman suppose to do about Cole? From the NY Times:
[i]According to a person involved in the negotiations, the Yankees have learned that [b]Cole intends to go to college, no matter what they offer[/b] [/i]
Phil,
Thanks for the correction. Didn’t know that. So every high schooler and every college player older than 21 is eligible? That’s a lot of talent to evaluate.
Still, the guy hired Scott Boras. He was seriously considering playing professional ball. So if Cole attends UCLA, he’s not eligible until he’s a junior or 21?
I find it laughable some of you don’t understand this situation w/ Cole, again Scott Boras wanted him added to the 40 man..that’s not happening and this kid for him to be a “Yankees” diehard fan and to choose college over the Yankees proves he’s a fake little spoiled brat. Good luck kid but I’ll take Marshall over you any day, he atleast backed up his fandom.
VOIII – Wrong. This is not on Cashman at all. If the kid won’t sign, the kid won’t sign. The Yankees ALWAYS go over slot to sign people, always. Get a clue, son.
Guess Cole’s figuring that he can take a gamble on dominating college for a few years and demand a 10+ million signing bonus next time he gets drafted
Phil,
Did you even read my post? I said I don’t care what the article says, this is about money. This kid suddenly decides on the eve of the deadline he’s going to college? Are you that naive? He could have anounced this weeks ago. The Yankees didn’t pony up and he chose to listen to his agent. Arms like his do not happen every day. you throw between 5 & 10 million at him and see what happens…That is actually less risky than throwing 120 to 150 million at CC.
If Girardi is still managing the team (which I don’t doubt, but it’s the reason for my answer), it will be Pettitte throwing out the first pitch. He won’t be the ace of the staff, not with Wang, Joba, Hughes and maybe Sabathia in the rotation, but Pettitte’s the Yankee starter with the most organizational status.
Brandon –
Exactly. Brett Marshall is the true Yankee fan, with a good head on his shoulders, Cole is a fraud.
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN
Ed Price’s blog says someone close to Bleich says he will sign with the Yankees.
Boooo
The new Yankee stadium and the New Quiting ownership.
I need another sport.
The kid would have signe for the right money…The Yankees added Brackman to the 40 last season knowing full well he would need TJS. They can’t do this for a comparable arm that is healthy? No DR. you get a clue…
VOII – Calm down with the insults. Sources said the Yanks offered a ridiculous amount. As Dr said, they always go above the slot. Cole wanted a spot on the 40 man and an amount that would put A-Rod’s contract to shame.
Are you that naive to believe it is on Cashman? Prospect high school arms happen all the time…whether they pan out, you never know…but never is a high school kid a sure thing. Are you that naive to believe the hype of a spoiled kid?
You don’t care what the article said? Those sources are better than your opinion…no doubt.
Yeah, long time, no see Dr. Acula.
And where’s Doreen? What have you done with her?
Cole will regret the day he didn’t sign with the Yankees.
Oh well add another pick (in addition to letting Abreu, Giambi etc…go) to the 09 draft. Hopefully it’s a deep draft.
No it will be hughes or peavy vs cliff lee
Peavy isn’t a free agent.
I’m no soothsayer but I can almost guarantee this is a plot by Boras to get more money and he’ll sign with the Yankees. The article states that he “intends” to go to college regardless of what the offer.
I say “yeah right”. I intend to win the lottery tomorrow regardless of what numbers I play. Am I going to win it? No!
VOII – NO, they won’t be giving out any more 40-man slots. It is bad business and they are too precious with all of the arms they have. They learned their lesson and can afford one flyer (Brackman), but not two.
trisha… please read jeff louderbacks write-up on sox and pinstripes. you are most certainly a true yankee fan. i get it now!
I will be rooting for Cole’s demise.
“There is no way Cashman gets a pass on this one…He is running this team as though it were a small market club.”
Hey VOIII -
Do you really think that Cashman makes this kind of move on his own w/o consulting with the S’s?
When Chris Britton adds to his bonus mile totals and doesn’t pitch, blame Cashman. But for something as major as this with a ton of money involved if you think that this is not an entire front office move, then you have no clue.
Cole will be in the draft next year too – we’ll see if he gets his mechanics in order in the mean time.
Trevor,
Maybe Cole is really a Giants fan or KC fan.
COL 88 I knew it the minute he said I loved all the clutch hitters “like Brosius and Jeter, I mean I loved that the Yankees 27 championships”
He’s a fake.
He could very easily get hurt and have his career end.
Anybody wanna pinky bet with me that Cole signs tomorrow after he has another change of heart?
Phil – VOIII is the naive one who doesn’t understand the complexities of the business of baseball. For him to blame Cashman is a myopic, immature move. Ignore him.
“Cole will be in the draft next year too – we’ll see if he gets his mechanics in order in the mean time.”
If he doesn’t sign with the Yankees he won’t be in the draft for another 2 years when he’s a junior in college.
I love how we always blame the player for wanting more money…Cole had leverage.He chose to use it. When you have a marketable skill that is in demand that so few have…Why not get what you can? This is the land of oportunity no?
Cole may have over estimated his worth, only time will tell. But this could easily be a huge fish that got away over a few million dollars from an organization that paid over 40 million for one Carl Pavano. A man with questionable health and make-up issues prior to Cashman signing him…
Opening day 2009 starter should be Moose. Where would the Yankees be without him this year?
There’s only one way he goes in the draft again, I think…if he skips college and goes the independent ball route…but I could be wrong. Anyone know if high school grads are eligible if they skip college and play independent, pro ball?
raymagnetic – stranger things have happened.
And if it doesn’t happen – well, I’m old enough to remember not only Brien Taylor, but David Clyde in the 70s with Texas Rangers.
I think Rick Porcello was probably a fraud Yankee fan too. I mean he didn’t even try to be a Yankee. He could have said “no if I’m not drafted by them I’m going to college” sort of like what Betances did.
I think the trouble of adding people to the 40-man compounds. For one guy, like Brackman, ok, you probably can probably spare a place pretty easily. But after that you start losing flexibility with the big league club. What if our 1st round pick next year wants to get added to the 40 man, and then another guy 2 years after that. I think the yankees might have legitimate concern this adding draft picks to the 40-man could be a cookie and mouse thing.
man what a bad month for the yankees it has been havent seen something like this happen
cole will regret what his done specially to ucla
Clyde really got rushed…all so the owner could sell a few more tickets to a few games. Talk about short-sighted.
oh sure raymag – get all rulesy and truthy on me
(i bow to your superior competence on these issues – now fix Robbie!)
Phil,
From Wiki:
[edit] Eligibility
In order to be drafted a player must fit the following criteria:
He is a resident of the United States, Canada, or a U.S. territory such as Puerto Rico. Players from other countries are not subject to the draft, and can be signed by any team.
He has never before been signed a major or minor league contract.
High school players are eligible only after graduation, and if they have not attended college.
Players at four-year colleges are eligible after completing their junior years, or after their twenty-first birthdays.
The exception to this is Division III schools, where players can be drafted before their junior year.
Junior and community college players are eligible to be drafted at any time.
Joe,
I know stranger things have happened but that article reads like a Scott Boras public announcement.
These are the Yankees, they wouldn’t have drafted him if they didn’t intend on signing him. Cole also would have to be a fool if he turned down a few million dollars in guaranteed cash to go to school. I don’t buy it for a millisecond.
i bet you cole is a redsox fan
Anybody wanna pinky bet with me that Cole signs tomorrow after he has another change of heart?
You never know. He might change his mind.
“I love how we always blame the player for wanting more money…Cole had leverage.He chose to use it”
You may note that this is a Yankee blog – not a Gerrit Cole blog
That reminds me; before Hochevar went #1 in 2006, he got picked in the 2002 (#1171) and 2005 (#40) drafts. What did he do in between 2002 and 2005?
mel – so I guess if Cole doesn’t go Div I, he could be in the draft next year, if I am reading it correctly. Not that I expect that for him.
TK,
If I had the power to fix Robbie I’d be meditating all day and all night to get it done.
no wonder cashman said that if they dont sign him they get composition pick they yankees never say that
Cole may have over estimated his worth, only time will tell. But this could easily be a huge fish that got away over a few million dollars from an organization that paid over 40 million for one Carl Pavano. A man with questionable health and make-up issues prior to Cashman signing him…
How is this on the Yankees ? Boras wants this kid to recieve 10 – 12 million and a ML contract ! you guys aren’t seeing it but he is fraud. Look at Marshall as an example as a die hard fan he couldn’t wait to sign w/ the Yankees, this kid I never had that feeling after his interview that he was going to be an easy sign, Cashman did the right thing you don’t let prospects walk all over you and set the table , uh uh kid you haven’t thrown a damn ball pass GCL grow a sack and be honest, but if your searching for a ML contract to hell w/ you. You Fake poser.
“mel – so I guess if Cole doesn’t go Div I, he could be in the draft next year, if I am reading it correctly. Not that I expect that for him.”
Pretty sure UCLA is Division 1
Fredo – I am well aware of that. If he chooses another route, he could enter the draft again…was the point.
I forget where I read it, but I read a few days ago that the Yanks were offering 4-5 M for Cole (Isn’t that what David Price got after Vanderbilt?), but Boras was holding out for 9M. If true, that’s an obscene amount of money for a HS graduate.
Brandon I remember that LOL… he rattled off names in his conference call of the dynasty yankees.
And when they asked him about that sign “Yankee fan always and forever” he held up in Arizona— he said that a person sitting next to him asked him to hold it up LOL
His dad was a Yankee fan from Syracuse apparently, but probably is now a converted Dodgers fan. Usually fathers would take great pride in having his son play for the team that he grew up rooting for. Instead, he tells his son to turn down 5 million and playing for the best franchise in the sport that he allegedly rooted for. Both of them are frauds.
Marshall sounded so much more genuine and he even mentioned Joba in his PP interview and in that FOX video, he has a huge Yankee stash in his room… you know he is a legit Yankee fan. He was also wearing his Yankees hat to the Astros-Yankees game.
Brandon:
The kid deciding on school for whatever reason doesn’t make him a fraud.
“mel – so I guess if Cole doesn’t go Div I, he could be in the draft next year, if I am reading it correctly. Not that I expect that for him.”
He’s going to be a Bruin according to the report – The most impressive bear mascot in all of Cali. ahem.
I agree with the post above that said this is a Boras-camp leak. Brought to you from the guy who opted out his prize client in the middle of the WS.
I know RObert Stock a potential big pick who went to college a year early so he can be drafted again as a Junior..He plays for USC….
COle is taking a huge huge gamble.. He would have gotten millions at 18 hope he has a good insurance policy..
Dominguez and Moustakous live near here, they took the money.. To turn down millions for the college experience is foolish.. THey allow rich people to go back to college to get there degrees at any age…
Phil,
Sounds like it. But doing that or going to a DIII school goes against what this source is saying. Which is that Cole wants to go to school.
Now, the only thing that gives you pause is that came from a source other than Cole or his father. So obviously this is not etched in stone.
But it’s not like Kepner would put up crazy rumors.
Not sure but I think Price got $8 million.
from espn story on this
The Yankees open next season at Baltimore, then go to Kansas City and Tampa Bay before the home opener
Well at least we know we will get 1 of those series in. Also it says the Mets open citifield on the 14th so they also open on the road
Dr,
Business is Business whether it be baseball or any other…It is always about MONEY…I do not fault any business for sound cost saving decission making. But next year I have a feeling that the FO will be throwing enormous sums of money at a overweight pitcher who has never come up in a really big spot. Yes he is a proven regular season winner but winning in the regular season is what CMW is for. You need big arms in baseball and whether or not this kid ever makes it he has a big arm. You have to take a chance on that and you load up on as many big arms as possible because so few actually pan out. 6 or 7 million is nothing compared to what it will cost to replace him if he is the next Joba…he has the potential to be that kind of arm
Why is everyone beating up this Cole’s decision to go to college and get a good education. I praise him.
Say he signed with the Yanks and played well for them in the minors. Then, one day, he has a career-ending injury. What would happen next? He would have no job and very few options. Education is something you can never lose.
that what i hate about the draft every baster says the been a fan for whatever team they got drafted since they were little kids what a bunch of liars
Betances and Marshall are the real Yankee fans. Can’t say the same for Cole and Porcello.
yeah the best franchise in sports is dead now according to the astute posters because a really good 18 yr old prospect has decided to go to college.
the Yanks are now the Pirates, based on the blogs of a couple of know it all 23 yr old scouts.
yeah Cashman should be fired for dereliction of duty… LEt’s assume Cole is as great as you all say he is, so his chance of ever doing anything in the big leagues is now 25% max…. That’s the odds at best.. Go down the list of can’t miss prospects it is long ..
“Also it says the Mets open citifield on the 14th so they also open on the road”
Mets and Yanks at home at the same time usually only happens when Pope’s come to town. Very odd.
Brandon:
The kid deciding on school for whatever reason doesn’t make him a fraud.
He can never use the word diehard to me, he is a fraud for all the yeh I’m gonna sign…uh yeh the yankees are my team, uh yeh the dynasty years..HE’S A BANDWAGON IF I EVER HEARD ONE. Yeh it sounds F’d up to say that about an 18 yr. old kid but screw him.
Josh,
Yankees gave one of this year’s draftees an extra $200,000 for college.
And if Boras is your agent, you don’t have to worry about college $$ anyway.
Josh –
If he got hurt in the minors – he would have millions of dollars which would float him through Harvard, much less UCLA.
He can get educated at age 20 just as easily as now, but he has (or had) a chance to become financially secure for life.
How many college freshmen are financially secure for life?
Well, this draft sure sucks now. We let most of the signability guys get away and we reached for a lot of guys like Bleich, Bittle etc. and a lot of guys are fillers.
Marshall appears to be the only good thing from this draft. Nothing else is even close. Chris Smith is the only other high upside guy as well, and who knows if he’ll ever reach it.
The International signing period was subpar as well. Nobody as good as Montero, Vizcaino, De Leon etc. We got some 2nd tier guys like Valera and a stocky SS.
Josh -
He would have several million dollars. He can always get an education, but you can’t always guarantee yourself a multi-millionaire. It is a terrible decision, and he only has himself to blame if he suffers a career-ending injury in college.
“Say he signed with the Yanks and played well for them in the minors. Then, one day, he has a career-ending injury. What would happen next?”
He could go to college.
Josh you really did not post that nonsense did you.
Say cole gets $4 mill. That money changes lives…Plural… He can put some money away and be in a OK financial position if he ever got hurt and then go to college at any time.. The starting wage for a graduate wi ha 4 yr degree is about $50,000 a year..
Calculate the difference EInstein…
Edit on my post about opening series it should have read we will get at least one of them in (Tampa under the roof)
Betances and Marshall are the real Yankee fans. Can’t say the same for Cole and Porcello.
Porcello wanted to sign the problem was the Tigers called his bluff. He’s from NJ he genuinely wanted to sign w/ the Yanks. Betances wanted to sign the money was interesting because he was ready to go to college but the Yankees paid him 1.8 to turn college down.
Can’t post the link, but I found out the sticking point was the Cliff Lee clause.
The Yankees refused to give Cole the season opener at the new Yankee Stadium.
Not the way it works.
If he signed with the Yankees, and had a career ending injury, he would have a free education paid for by the Yankees.
Included in all of these signing bonuses are scholarship costs.
I tried to tell some of you guys that this one wasn’t pretty for the last few months. I was hopeful Cole’s father and Boras would come to their senses (8 million AND a 40 man roster spot was never going to happen) but, they felt otherwise.
That’s not Cashman or the Yankees. You don’t promise roster spots to high schools kids and you don’t pay him that kind of cash on top of it.
They get the first round pick back next year.
The franchise is not going under because a HS kid decided to go to college.
Its one reason why they anted up for Brett Marshall, another very good HS arm. Their insurance policy in case Cole didn’t get done.
I bet Cole signs tommorow else he and his dad should get there heads examined..
I am a father of multiple kids, I am a college graduate and my kids will go to college if Cole was my son he would sign, it would not even be up for debate…
SJ-
Do you think it is actually dead or is this a ploy?
I guess I’m kinda old-fashion. I believe that education should always come first. Maybe his family also values education over baseball/money. I can’t fault them for that.
Though, I do understand where you guys are coming from now. Thanks for the info!
Cole has told the Yankees he will attend college at UCLA because of his father’s wishes.
Nothing like using daddy a an excuse ..
Does this mean we get another first round pick in the ’09 draft or just a supplemental one?
you know what if he changes his mine and signs then i hope that cashman trades his ass for JAKE PEAVY
Hmm, got a question regarding compensation picks for failure to sign draft picks
If the Yankees fail to sign Cole, their compensation pick would be #29, as Cole was drafted 28th (and the rule for compensation is whatever the pick’s original location was + 1). What if someone drafted before Cole doesn’t sign; does the compensation pick for Cole stay at #29 or gets bumped down along with the rest of the draft?
Yeah, Brandon. You should hold your tongue until after the signing deadline. He may be your new favorite prospect in 24 hours.
Forget that, I GOTTA GET ME SOME TICKETS!
TK,
Dead unless he takes the Yankees final offer. It seems they don’t want to take it.
I don’t know, call me crazy but, 5+ million, free education, and a contract with the NY Yankees, ain’t exactly chopped liver.
As Bill Raftery would say, it takes a lot of onions to turn down that kind of money and go to UCLA. UCLA is not exactly a college juggernaut program anymore.
Use the extra pick next year to get Yonder Alonso. He will be at Arod’s house if they need to negotiate with him! lol
So MLB has us open on the road and go to Baltimore (cold city), KC (cold city) and low and behold Tampa a dome. What a concept. When will mlb learn to use their warm weather facilities and domes for games in early April?
5 million he is set for life. He is a fool.
Yeah, Brandon. You should hold your tongue until after the signing deadline. He may be your new favorite prospect in 24 hours.
No mel I’ll still call him a spoiled little b****
Now I’m getting ticked
– this is from an interview with the Cali catcher the Yankees have signed:
“APS: You caught Yankees 1st round pick Gerrit Cole last fall. Alright man, give us the full scouting report on Gerrit.
KH: Well he was probably one of the toughest pitchers I have caught so far just because he throws about 95 to 100 with movement on his fastball; it’s not just straight heat. He also has a hard slider and a good changeup and when he uses all of those pitches at the right times he’s unhittable.”
Josh, I agree with you, except for one thing. If he signed with the Yankees and had a career ending injury, he’d have $5 million, which gives him plenty of options, and he’d still be young enough to go to school. What happens if he goes to school, gets injured and can’t sign a ML contract? You know he’s going to have to spend all his time in college on baseball anyway. Right?
Matusz was reported to have accepted a 3.1M offer from the O’s (but it put him on the roster.)
He was the 4th pick.
To put the Cole stuff into some perspective, the Red Sox signed Casey Kelly (the pick after Cole) for 3 million.
This kid was looking for THREE times that amount AND a 40 man roster spot.
I mean, its ok to ask for it but, to expect to get it? That’s nuts.
Two years ago, Dellin Betances was the best HS pitcher in the country in the minds of a lot of scouts. Most thought he would go to Vanderbilt. The Yankees gave him 1.1 million to sign.
So, you mean to tell me, the going price for the best HS pitcher in the country is now over EIGHT times what it was two years ago? Really, that’s nuts.
If he goes to college, which is his right, he can’t go back into the draft until after his junior year.
Anybody want to place the odds of him signing for 5+ million (the Yankees final offer) or more in 2+ years?
That’s a HUGE gamble on his part. Especially the way college coaches tend to overuse their pitchers.
But hey, its America and he’s entitled to do it.
Its not going to change the Yankees prospects for a World Series this year, next year or the year after because they didn’t sign Gerrit Cole.
It will change how much (or little) they continue to deal with Scott Boras. At some point, it just becomes a waste of time.
“Matusz was reported to have accepted a 3.1M offer from the O’s (but it put him on the roster.)”
Posey’s supposedly going to sign w/ SF for $7.5M, but he’s a lot closer to MLB ready than Cole or Matusz. He was the 7th pick, I believe.
40 man roster spot is way over blown. There are plenty of players on the current 40 that I would get rid of in favor of a stud prospect. Sexton, Betemit, Scott Patterson, Chase Wright, Traber, Britton and Shelly Duncan for example…There are ways to manipulate the 40 with the 60 day DL ect…That should not be a deal breaker with a first round pick…So many of you go on and on about the Yankees receiving picks for departing F/As next season yet are casting off this one as if it’s no biggie…Yankees should NOT loose 1st round talents over money, period…
I’m sorry everyone, I did not completely understand the signing process and injury insurance. With all of that being said, I still cannot fault him for not signing. There could be so much more to the situation than we are aware of. Until he gives a reason, I will not criticize (sp?) him.
Now if he comes out and says, “Oh well I just wanted to enjoy the college experience,” then yes he is a fool.
VOIII makes a lot of sense. Because Wang and CC haven’t yet been successful big game post-season pitchers, we must get high schooler Cole, cost be damned!
TKinDC: your fake-bear love is phony, so I’m not falling for it.
Thought watching the Texas – RS game might start some drama for the race to the finish line. No Joy.
During the 7-run outburst, Remi wondered what Washington must be feeling as all of those runs keep crossing the plate night after night and his pitchers go from worse to horrific.
Is there a chance that the Yanks and Texas can do a multi-player deal to bring young position players to NY in return for several of the arms we won’t be needing next year? Even overloading the package with some of our second tier arms to get value from Texas?
As Singleton said, having pitchers to trade is like the ‘coin of the realm’ and Texas has players (gamers) we could use.
“Anybody want to place the odds of him signing for 5+ million (the Yankees final offer) or more in 2+ years?”
2-1
Back Bench – what pitchers are you thinking of trading to Texas?
Also, if Cole can’t get 8m from the yankees, who the hell does he expect to give it to him?
“Well, this draft sure sucks now. We let most of the signability guys get away and we reached for a lot of guys like Bleich, Bittle etc. and a lot of guys are fillers.
Marshall appears to be the only good thing from this draft. Nothing else is even close. Chris Smith is the only other high upside guy as well, and who knows if he’ll ever reach it.
The International signing period was subpar as well. Nobody as good as Montero, Vizcaino, De Leon etc. We got some 2nd tier guys like Valera and a stocky SS.”
Yep, because the best way to judge a draft is 3 months after it happens. Most of the guys drafted are at LEAST 4/5 years away from the majors, and you’re judging what the draft is 3 months after it happens.
Some are missing the point re: signing bonuses. Included in the bonus is money for a free college education.
They get the money to attend college on a free ride whenever they decide to attend. It could be 10 years from now. Its still covered by the team.
Some teams (not the Yankees) are trying to put time limits on it. However, all of them cover the costs of attending college with a portion of their signing bonus.
TK,
Dead unless he takes the Yankees final offer. It seems they don’t want to take it.
I don’t know, call me crazy but, 5+ million, free education, and a contract with the NY Yankees, ain’t exactly chopped liver.
As Bill Raftery would say, it takes a lot of onions to turn down that kind of money and go to UCLA. UCLA is not exactly a college juggernaut program anymore.
Use the extra pick next year to get Yonder Alonso. He will be at Arod’s house if they need to negotiate with him! lol
THANK YOU SJ, the point people are missing is no one low balled him and if this little brat wants to go to college I’ll gladly take Alonso for him next year atleast he’d want to be in this program.
“Is there a chance that the Yanks and Texas can do a multi-player deal to bring young position players to NY in return for several of the arms we won’t be needing next year?”
Who are those pitchers? I see none on the AA or AAA levels that would compel them to move Kinsler, Davis or Hamilton.
Check out Boras’ pull:
“Among the unsigned first-rounders were five players represented by agent Scott Boras: No. 2 selection Pedro Alvarez (Pittsburgh), No. 3 Eric Hosmer (Kansas City), No. 20 Joshua Fields (Seattle), No. 23 Allan Dysktra (San Diego) and No. 28 Gerrit Cole (New York Yankees).
Other high picks without deals included No. 4 Brian Matusz (Baltimore), No. 5 Buster Posey (San Francisco), No. 7 Yonder Alonso (Cincinnati) and No. 9 Alan Crow (Washington).
This is from the Canadian Press – big bears in Canada too!
SJ:
Apples and Oranges, but what did Price get last year from Tampa?
From CBSNews.com:
“Project Runway, the Manny Edition: Not only are the Dodgers expected to begin selling black dreadlocks and blue dreadlocks for the Manny hungry fans this weekend, but they’re also selling Mannywood T-shirts. Not bad for a club that isn’t even paying him (Boston is).”
The Yanks gave away ‘staches for free but the Dodgers are going to charge for dreads. Might explain why Manny hasn’t had to visit a barber as JT requested.
The Brett Marhalls of this world are rare this day and age…sad but true.
We gave him around 200 K for a college ed., Kyle we gave 250 K..no this little so called fake die hard wannabe posing 18 yr. old thinks he calls the shots ? Good luck in life kid unfortunately your a step behind in it.
“VOIII makes a lot of sense. Because Wang and CC haven’t yet been successful big game post-season pitchers, we must get high schooler Cole, cost be damned!”
Nick,
Why do I detect just a *hint* of sarcasm in this post. lol
Josh:
Rasner, IPK, Igawa, Marte (the 2008 Gagne), Britton, etc etc
I’m sure other could come up with more or better choices, but many if not all would give Texas a better staff than they have now.
“Yep, because the best way to judge a draft is 3 months after it happens. ”
Thanks raymag – I thought about crushing that softball but I thought I would take a pitch for once!
That was a fake Dr. Acula.
Is this really Boras’ fault though? It seems that his father pushed him into going to college.
He gets $5 million, a free education, and a chance to pitch for the team that he (and his dad, who pushed this on him) grew up rooting for. If he has a career ending injury, he still has more money than anyone can dream of and can always get his education then.
How does a sane person turn this down? And it’s not like he is going to some prestigious university (i.e Ohlendorf and Princeton), its UCLA. Not an academic or sports powerhouse it once was.
It appears his dad played more of a role than Boras did in this transpiring.
Why is Jake Peavy’s name being thrown around ?
He cannot get drafted again for 3 yrs…
COle is insane… He will sign, this planted story is there delusion of trying to make the Yanks blink…
Again his dad should be put in jail for child endangerment and malpractice.
BTW my friend has a nephew on UCLA’s team they are not as bad as some are saying.. They are not LSU but they have some talented players…
cole has to wait 3 yrs…. 3 long years.. Hey maybe his dad is a multi millionaire if not they are morons…
If Alvarez goes back into the draft I know for a fact he’d be willing to sign for NY in 09′ so I hope he falls back into college.
It’s official: Sox won 10-0. They have scored 38 runs in the past three games. And I seriously thought that Manny gone would = less than three runs a game.
Is is 2009 yet?
Brandon, you seem a little bit upset
Nick,
I was only making the point that the Yankees are going to throw a sick amount of money at CC and then let a kid who could be CC in a few years walk away over what would have been a few months pay to CC. Not saying Cole over CC, just sayng for so little risk the reward can be very high. The reward for signing CC is more certain but the risk is so much higher. What if the Yankees give him 20 million over 7 seasons and he blows out his shoulder next season and is never the same, and they also lost a pick for signing him?
I have to run but, one more perspective on Cole.
Tampa gave the first pick in the draft, Tim Beckham, a 6.5 million dollar deal.
The best player in college baseball, Buster Posey, got 7.5 million.
The Yankees offered Cole between 5-6 million. He wanted more money than the first pick in the draft AND the best player in college baseball, whom some also believe is the best player in the draft.
Not only that, he wanted a 40 man roster spot. You don’t give 40 man roster spots to high school kids. Nobody does that.
It was a crazy offer that one would have thought (if he really wanted to play pro baseball), would have gotten more logical as the negotiating process went on.
Unfortunately, it didn’t. That’s the way it goes.
Can’t say I’m hearbroken about walking away from this. The Yankees had no choice.
Jose..
UCLA is a great state school look it up… they turn down more applicants then any other school in the country.. Yes it is not PRinceton but it is a very very good school, look it up…
It appears his dad played more of a role than Boras did in this transpiring.
My bet is they are using his dad’s supposive wishes to make it look innocent, this isn’t about his dad it’s Gerit and Boras.
In a related link on Kepler’s blog entry:
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....-a-yankee/
Read it and have a good laugh. Can’t believe I had forgotten how pissed I was when I heard that A-rod was coming back. The Yankees bid against themselves after he flushed $30M.
VOII, the risk for signing an unproven 18 yr old is umpteen times greater than the risk for signing a veteran pitcher who you know will provide at the very least a little bit of big league success
They have scored 38 runs in the past three games
I don’t think the Yankees have even scored that many runs total in the month of August so far.
Per ESPN, the Nationals just placed the former Attorney General on the DL with a hammy strain.
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Can someone tell me what round in the draft Mariano was taken? Or how highly rated he was when he first signed? I keep forgetting.
“It’s official: Sox won 10-0. They have scored 38 runs in the past three games. And I seriously thought that Manny gone would = less than three runs a game.”
I said the day they made that deal, it’s a less imposing lineup but a better team. Manny was a turd. Boston did the right thing be pulling the flush lever. I was hoping they’d keep him.
They’re what, 10-3 since???
Rich –
First the DL, then Gitmo!
(i kid, i kid)
Fredo,
Price got 6 million from the Rays last year.
VO,
CC Sabathia is an established major league pitcher. Gerrit Cole is a HS pitcher. Its a world of difference.
He wanted more money than anybody in the draft AND a 40 man roster spot.
Yeah, he could be another CC. Or, he can be another Carl Pavano.
You pay “knowns” in baseball, not “unknowns”.
As it is, the money they offered him was almost five times the money offered to Joba Chamberlain just two years ago.
They didn’t low ball him. They highballed him and (at least to this point) still turned them down.
You can’t bid against yourself. That’s how George gave up another 2 years and almost 45 million dollar more for Jason Giambi. How did that turn out.
You make your best offer and hope it turns out. If it doesn’t, you get the pick back next year and go after next year’s hot to trot HS or college stud.
Buster posey may be in the big leagues some time next year.. Cle if he was phenomenl beyond belief is 2 or 3 years away..
that is why a 40 man roster spot is a big deal.
Brackman was also 3 yrs older then Cole…
Don’t be so sure this is Boras. 5% of $5 million is alot more than 5% of $0. Boras wants him to get the most money but he gets nothing for 3 years if he goes to school.
“Can someone tell me what round in the draft Mariano was taken? Or how highly rated he was when he first signed? I keep forgetting.”
Was he drafted at all??? Think he was signed as an amatuer free agent.
Can someone tell me what round in the draft Mariano was taken? Or how highly rated he was when he first signed? I keep forgetting.
He was an IFA..he and Damaso Marte and Manny Acosta
Buster posey may be in the big leagues some time next year.. Let’s just say Cole is phenomenal beyond belief he is 2 or 3 years away and that is fantasyland……David Clyde happened over 30 years ago..
that is why a 40 man roster spot is a big deal.
Brackman was also 3 yrs older then Cole…
Joe,
Looks like he was signed as a free agent. Signing bonus: $3,000.
Sorry that it is a lot of text – but this is good context on this year’s market vs. last years – again by CP:
“Among the top 10 players in this year’s draft, deals have been announced for just four. Tim Beckham, a high school shortstop taken by Tampa Bay with the top pick, received a US$6.15 million signing bonus.
No. 6 pick Kyle Skipworth, a high school catcher, got $2.3 million from Florida, and No. 8 Gordon Beckham, a catcher from the University of Georgia, will receive $2.6 million from the Chicago White Sox in an agreement announced late Wednesday.
Stanford catcher Jason Castro, selected by Houston with the 10th choice, received $2.07 million.
The commissioner’s office recommends “slot” values for draft picks, which some teams adhere to and others ignore.
Last year, top pick David Price agreed on the final day to an $11.25-million, six-year contract with Tampa Bay, a deal that guaranteed him $8.5 million.
Alvarez, a third baseman who finished his junior season at Vanderbilt, has an interesting negotiation because new Pirates president Frank Coonelly used to be chief labor counsel for MLB and was in charge of the slotting system.”
Fredo – yea the Sux record is something like that. Who would’ve thought? Though Youk has been doing well in the cleanup spot. It seems like every time I watch a guy give Ortiz a IBB, Youk gets a huge hit. What I would give to have ONE clutch guy on our team.
Joe, not only that, but they left him unprotected in the 1992 expansion draft and was passed over!
Fredo – And not a highly regarded one at that.
Of course, who’d want a guy rehabbing from TJ.
$3,000 signing bonus for the guy who became the greatest relief pitcher in the history of baseball.
We are getting upset over a HS kid turning down 5+ million dollars because it wasn’t 9 million AND a 40 man roster spot.
Moral of the story. NOBODY has any idea how these guys will project. The money isn’t an indicator.
Sometimes (see Robinson Cano this year), you give’em the money, you lose’em as players.
Think about it, 3,000 to get the relief pitcher in the history of baseball.
Its about scouting and developing players, not just writing big checks.
RayBlay,
I understand that but the risk of losing 100 million or more hurts a lot more than the extra 3 or 4 that it would have taken to get Cole…The Yankees have the money to do both and should have gotten this done…If the came up to 6 or 7 and a 40 man roster spot we would all be posting about how brite the future is with Cole, Brackman, Marshall, Betances all in the lower levels to compliment Hughes, Melancon, Kennedy, etc…at the higher levels…Future still looks good but could have been more promising…Like I said earlier you need to stock up to increase the odds as so many of these kids never make it.
Jacob, because someone has always stepped up. Lets see:
Dice-K out for a month – Rookie Masterson was great
Papi out for 2 months – Drew turned into a hitting machine
Lowell out a few times – Youk replaces him at 3B and Casey comes in and hits .350
Manny gone – everyone stepped up
To clarify, Mariano, as a citizen of Panama, was never eligible to be drafted.
mel – $3,000 for Mariano Rivera…And no one wanted him in the expansion draft. And now some guys are bent out of shape over….
The Price deal isn’t accurate. He got 6 million guaranteed from the Rays, not 8 million.
The rest of the deal is based on performance bonuses and how fast he makes the ML roster.
SJ44,
Rivera probably only saw $2,000 of that money.
“Fredo, That turd could end up in pinstripes next year. LOL”
I’d hate to think the Bronx is the final resting place for flushed refuse.
No way they sign Ramirez, Jacob. Team has too many DH’s already.
mel,
LOL. Good point!
Mariano was pitching in Panama where a Yankee scout saw him and was impressed with his stuff. He signed him to a contract and he’s been with the Yanks ever since.
SJ –
Probably just a contract issue: (from Cot’s)
David Price lhp
6 years/$8.5M (2007-12)
* signed 8/15/07 (Major League contract)
* $5.6M signing bonus (paid in 6 installments each Aug. 31, 2007-12)
* 07:$0.5M, 08:$0.65M, 09:$0.75M, 10:$1M, 11:$1.25M, 12:$1.5M
* salaries in minors: 08:$0.1M, 09:$0.15M, 10:$0.2M, 11:$0.65M, 12:$1.2M
* major league salaries may increase total package value to $11.25M
* Price may void salary & file for arbitration in any year he is arbitration-eligible
* drafted 2007 (1-1) (Vanderbilt)
* agent: Bo McKinnis
* ML service: 0.000
VOIII – one thing I don’t think you realize.
The Yankees are not losing a 1st round pick. They’re merely delaying it by a year. This isn’t the end of the world.
And chances are very high, this d00d just cost himself a lot of $$$. If he goes to college, I bet he is not a 1st rounder when drafted in 3-4 years.
Josh, not only that. He was a SS at the time. (I wonder what his range to the left is like?) Throwing about 85-88. All Yankee pitching prospects should be required to get TJ because at some point he started throwing 95.
I love Boras, he is constant source of entertainment. I can’t wait to hear him preach about the IPN or IPO or whatever new hack codes he comes up with to pimp that kid.
PRice is a much surer bet by a factor of 3 then COle.. Price dominated in the SEC and was the 1st pick.. the comparison between the 2 is laughable..
sounds like COle is a complete fool and delusional… Why would he get paid significantly better then guys picked much higher?
There is no rationale reason…
Haha I did not know he was a SS – that’s great. So he just decided to go out there and pitch? And pitch well enough to get a Yankee contract? That is priceless.
Was Cole available for other slot abusers like Detroit and Boston?
Anyone notice that’s not the real Dr. Acula?
Check his site.
It’s time for Cashman to join Russo and to move on. After 10 years, the Yankees could benefit from new leadership.
Cashman’s opinion of himself has exceeded his judgment now for a long time. His persisent unwillingness to accept responsibility or answer for his mistakes has exasperated me for years.
Wasting a first-round pick on a player the Yankees couldn’t sign cinched it.
Now I can empathize with all of you who wanted Torre out last year. I feel the same way about Cashman. I’ve had enough of him. Time for new blood.
Josh,
Sorry. I’m getting this stuff from Wikipedia.
He was throwing 85-87 with a “smooth delivery”.
“Was Cole available for other slot abusers like Detroit and Boston?”
No on Boston. Yes on Detroit.
Will Alonso even drop to us next year?
Thanks, Fredo.
Do you know who Detroit choose in that round?
I’m just wondering because this kid sounds so good and people are distraught about this.
Pedro and Yonder please don’t sign…please don’t sign.
Mel – ha the stuff I had said I think I got from Wiki long ago. I only remembered him pitching in Panama in front of a Yankee scout.
Wiki is amazing though, don’t know what I would do without it.
“Will Alonso even drop to us next year?”
Not very likely.
Kill-Schill(ing) – grow up. Please. You’re almost (almost) as bad as CaptainWhiner.
Cashman ain’t going anywhere. Girardi ain’t going anywhere. Get used to it.
Josh,
It (Wiki) said that Mo volunteered to pitch for the team the year the scout saw him.
Yes, it’s goofy and I don’t allow my kids to use Wiki as a source for papers, but I just learned that Ruben Rivera is Mo’s cousin.
Did this really happen?:
Derek Jeter glove incident
After a 2002 spring training game, Rivera took teammate Derek Jeter’s glove and bat, and then sold them to a sports memorabilia dealer, reportedly for $2,500. [1] After this became known, his teammates allegedly voted him off the team, and the Yankees front office abided by that vote and released him. When the incident became public, Rivera apologized. [2]
Pete
As usual the writers have free-agent mania. When will you guys let the players and agents do their own work?
Do the agents tip you when you write these kind of stories?
Has anyone ever seen Mo hit?
Mel:
Tigers took an RHP out of Arizona named Ryan Perry with the 21st pick (7 ahead of the Yankees). I believe he is signed.
mel – that was Mariano’s cousin, Ruben Rivera (really, I didn’t make that name up).
Coke is starting to mow them down in AAA and keep F’n up Robi…Prilys Cuello (your replacement has returned to Charleston)
mel, yep.
mel
It really happened.
Cole’s making a terrible business decision, but there are a lot of hot chics at UCLA though. Of course, $5-6 million will buy you a lot of those very chics anyways.
Mel – I have a very hard time believing that Mo would sell Jeter’s glove. Why would Mo ever do that? I also doubt that anyone on the team would vote him off.
“Pedro and Yonder please don’t sign…please don’t sign.”
What difference does it make? Neither will be around when it’s time for the Yankees to call out a name in the ’09 draft either.
“The new Yankee Stadium will open on April 16 with a game against the Cleveland Indians.
CC Sabathia against Cliff Lee?”
The C-plan holders always get the best games. I hate them.
No way it’ll be CC. First of all I’m still not sold on bringing him over. But even if he’s in pinstripes next season, no way they’ll let an outsider open the new stadium. It will be Joba, Andy or whoever brings magic to our post-season this year if we pull off a miracle come back. The game will be an instant Yankees Classic, they’ll want to see a Yogi or Mattingly type guy on the mound when they run that disc for the 18 millionth time.
hornblower,
Really? Really? It’s Kepner’s story. That’s Tyler Kepner of the New York Times.
Fredo,
Thanks. Perry must be very good if he went before this kid.
ANyone have an idea what Preston Mattingly of the Dodgers is up to?
Where is he playing and how is he doing.
thanks..
What difference does it make? Neither will be around when it’s time for the Yankees to call out a name in the ‘09 draft either.
For the price tag I think they will. Otherwise some good position players will fall to us in 09′
Sorry, guys. That excerpt was from Ruben’s wiki entry.
Josh
Ruben Rivera stole the glove not Mo.
This is so depressing. I am not at all familiar with Cole and I don’t want to familiarize myself with him. Can this year get any worse? I’m sorry, but Cole just made a foolish decision……and I’m all for getting an education. He can get an education any time, but an athlete’s career is limited. Who’s to say that Cole won’t turn out to be a bust? That he won’t get injured? If either of these happen, then the kid will regret it for the rest of his life because he could have had $$$ to set him up for his future. This season stinks worse than any season I can remember and in many more ways than I can remember. I would say that it can’t get worse, but that’s not true. It can get worse, it can get much worse.
Moving on, because I don’t want to think about this anymore, can anyone fill me in on Brett Marshall?
Mel:
Cole was widely thought of as a Top 10 player in the draft, maybe Top 5. He was selected where he was due to signability issues. Kids less regarded than him went ahead of him. Perry would be one of those.
I had heard about it, but I didn’t know if it was one of those urban myths. If there was a vote, did Mo abstain?
Ohhhh wow that makes a lot more sense. Still I wonder if it’s true, I don’t really know much about him.
I meant to ask if it was wise for the Yankees to take such a gamble? They’ve lost a pick – that hurts badly.
You guys are almost as pathetic as your garbage team.
Griping over some teenager meanwhile your club quits with 1/4 season to go. Even little Hanky calls it quits. Boy the apple sure fell far from the tree on that one. I almost miss the old Yankees as at least they were entertaining to watch and played the game right. Now they’re relegated to a bunch of overpaid softees that seem to be more worried about their image than their play. It figures Damon is the best you got right now as he learned to play like a man when he was with us. And Nady’s good because he hasn’t learned the true Yankee way yet.
And forget 2009 as well. You got about 4 keepers on that offense. Damon,Matsui,Nady and Posada. And 3 of them are over the hill. The rest have nothing inside of them to turn it around. Overpaid and hopelessly lost. I hope you do sign Manny so you can add another quitter to you’re offense full of quitters. Now I see you’re already pining for the old days paying premium for big stars like CC. Wake up, The Yankees aren’t as attractive a team fo FA’s as they used to be. The Mets look like a better team to play for now.
Hey I know the Sox aren’t perfect but at least they’re not quitters. Embarrassing and inexcusable: The 2008 Yankees
“Hey I know the Sox aren’t perfect but at least they’re not quitters. Embarrassing and inexcusable: The 2008 Yankees”
They sure seemed to quit in 2006, troll.
” I feel the same way about Cashman. I’ve had enough of him. Time for new blood.”
couldn’t agree more.
Betsy,
I know that it’s difficult because baseball is basically a year round sport, but other athletes have gotten an education or taken classes.
A cool example is Josh Childress, an NBA player who just signed to play basketball in Europe. Apparently he was a drafted in his junior year at Stanford in 2004. But it looks like he’s finishing up before he goes to Europe to collect his twenty million dollars worth of euros.
Like SJ said, money for college is not an issue with the Yankees. And there are so many online colleges. Even the traditional colleges like Yale are offering online courses.
“I meant to ask if it was wise for the Yankees to take such a gamble? They’ve lost a pick – that hurts badly.”
They don’t lose a pick. They delay it by a year.
they get the pick back next year.. it is not the end of the world.. Yeah Ruben Rivera another can’t miss prospect.. Big, fast, strong, I bet he did not hit 30 HR’s for his career and 100 RBI’s.. they are all can’t miss…
Milledge can’t miss his #’s are really like Melky’s.. Remember Henson, remember Ford Griffin, remember pulsipher, isringhausesn, and wilson, how about todd hollandsworth, mike marshall, and many many many more.. It is laughable how many low picks or undrafted players make it and how many big ppicks fail..
Check out when Pujols was picked…..
Yawkey Universe
You deserve to be called a troll when you come in here and just talk trash, and besides that it reflects poorly on other Sox fans.
VOIII— You have to go down as the least informed, least rational poster about the draft and 40-man roster in the history of this blog.
From your comments the Yankees should just give a blank check to every draft pick. That’s insane! But it’s your position that “The Yankees should NEVER lose a prospect over money”.
So in your world if the top ten picks all demanded $ 9 million each AND spots on the 40-man roster you’d go for it? Remember, you didn’t say # 1 picks, you said ANY prospect. After two years the Yankees would not have enough 40-man roster spots for the MLB team.
“Milledge can’t miss his #’s are really like Melky’s.. Remember Henson, remember Ford Griffin, remember pulsipher, isringhausesn, and wilson, how about todd hollandsworth, mike marshall, and many many many more.. It is laughable how many low picks or undrafted players make it and how many big ppicks fail..”
Milledge will probably pan out. If he weren’t on the Mets/Nationals, he’d be in AA right now. But, the Mets have no prospects, so rush them all, and the Nationals are basically a AAA team. He’s showing some nice stuff post ASB, though.
Generation K was overused (Pulsipher/Isringhausen) or had bad mechanics (Wilson). All had bad arm injuries.
Pujols was at a junior college, which is why he slipped. If he had been at a Div 1 school, he would have been a high 1st rounder.
yeah the sox I think got swept by the yanks in 06 at home in a 4 gamer.. ponson pitched one game and gave up like 6 runs and still won.
I think Beckett pitched a tidy 20 hitter and gave up like 12 runs it was scary.
I almost felt sorry for the sux but then I remembered how pathetic and stupid there fans are and then i realized they deserve it.
Sux fans are like bugs, they never go away and are just pains in the a–. also not that smart..
I wouldn’t believe anything for certain until midnight tomorrow on cole.
That said – there is no way the yankees could give into this nonsense by Boras. None.
The idea of giving a high schooler a major league contract is absurd. Beyond absurd.
The yankees cannot afford to do that – as it is they are going to lose good players to the rule V and triple A drafts over the next couple of years.
They have significant 40 man roster issues. The idea of putting an 18 year old on the 40 man is ridiculous.
And just to get things straight – Cole is a fantastic prospect but he’s not even as good a prospect as Rick Porcello was last year in the draft.
Cole is not a once in a generation type of high school arm. He’s just not. There are problems with his mechanics – things that can be fixed but also things that are concerning for injury.
In no way does he warrant the kind of deal borass was looking for.
That’s a very foolish move on Cole’s part – the idea of turning down $5M as a high school pitcher is just dumb.
Pitcher after pitcher goes to college and blows out his arm. Happens all of the time.
If Cole doesn’t sign it’s not on the yankees. This is all Borass. He’s convinced the kids family that if he goes to college in three years he’ll be the first pick in the draft.
Easy for Borass to make that gamble – that’s in his best interest.
As far as what’s in the kids best interest – well we’ll see about that.
The injury risk in college for a pitcher is enormous. In many ways it’s much higher than in the minor leagues. College coaches are paid to win – not to protect young players arms.
So be it. Borass has tremendous abilities to influence and sway his clients. Not a lot that a team can do about it when the client really starts to believe what Borass says.
So be it. You move on. It’s part of the draft and part of dealing with Borass.
The yankees will be fine without Cole.
They sure seemed to quit in 2006, troll.
I can’t believe you said “quit” and “2006″ in the same sentence. Yankees lost 1 game to Detroit and rolled over. Actually they’ve been quitting since 2004.
Someone else, if you don’t like the opinions, don’t read them.
No reason to insinuate I’m churlish or immature.
And in any case, since when is it a sign of maturity to accept folly, to excuse error, and to show a loyalty that’s neither deserved nor reciprocated.
If that’s maturity, then thanks but, I’ll remain a juvenile.
Pete,
do you know what’s that background music always playing during the awarding of the olympic medals and before the anthems?
Anyone know???
hey on the brightside IPK pitched great again
If Moose or Pettite are back they get the home opener for tenure.. or Hughes or Joba gets if for “the new beginning”.
SOmeone else my only point is who knows who will pan out. .I would not give up on Milledge of course he is young and has ability.
yeah the Nats are horrendoud.. Our old cather plays quite a bit for them and he is hitting much better then the .065 he hit with the yanks a few years ago.
Borass may influence Cole but his dad has to be smarter then this…. Cole might be working at In N Out burger here in Cali. in a few years you never know and life is cruel and baseball is even crueler…
SOmeone else my only point is who knows who will pan out. .I would not give up on Milledge of course he is young and has ability.
yeah the Nats are horrendous.. Our old catcher plays quite a bit for them and he is hitting much better then the .065 he hit with the yanks a few years ago.
Borass may influence Cole but his dad has to be smarter then this…. Cole might be working at In N Out burger here in Cali. in a few years you never know and life is cruel and baseball is even crueler…
I’d take a flier on Lastings Milledge can Ian Kennedy land him in the Bronx atleast Lastings cares about winning.
“hey on the brightside IPK pitched great again”
AAA is his element.
It is all posturing by Boras regarding Cole.
He will sign by midnight tomorrow.
Boras is just trying to see if Cash and Hank will blink first. It is not going to happen.
If Cole does not sign, it will be very intersting to see what Hank has to say
ehh, im not sold on Milledge
yawkey universe just call one of those girlie lines pay the $1 a minute for a friend and leave us alone..
I assume you are the standard chowder head; overweight, pale beyond belief, and as agile as ted washington or some other 400 pound lineman. I assume you talk funny like your brethren also…
that is what lane meyer is saying that its just a bluff
Since when has Milledge’s stock fallen enough to be at the level of a guy whose ceiling is at best a league average starter? There’s value in cheap potential #3′s, but Milledge used to be the crown jewel of a system…
ehh, im not sold on Milledge
If the Nats tell you Ian Kennedy for Milledge you telling me you wouldn’t do it ?
You deserve to be called a troll when you come in here and just talk trash
Sox fan?
The truth is not trash. And it is the truth.
I’ve lived in NY for 3 years and I get nothing but hassled every time I dare to wear a just a stupid hat. The fans at the stadium are horrible. I’ve been threatened so many times I’ve lost count, My girlfriends been harassed, had my hat stolen, beer and food thrown at me. I love the stadium but it’s filled with low lifes. Don’t worry brother I won’t blow whatever fun you’re having in here as this was a one time thing but I just wanted to throw some perspective to these so-called baseball fans.
Since when has Milledge’s stock fallen enough to be at the level of a guy whose ceiling is at best a league average starter? There’s value in cheap potential #3’s, but Milledge used to be the crown jewel of a system…
Exactly and coming here he’d know he’d have to come correct. Haircut, attitude at the door. I’d dance nude in the street if Kennedy in exchange lands him.
“If the Nats tell you Ian Kennedy for Milledge you telling me you wouldn’t do it ? ”
Ohh in a heartbeat i would. But i doubt the nats would like him.
Plus hes hitting .250, granted thats .250 higher than melky.
He plays CF right ?
how about kenndey and a few prospects for pence. he seems like a good player who hustles and gives it his all.
Yawkey universe shocking there are retarded fans of all teams. shocking, I thought all 10 mill. yankee fans are college graduates and polite..
yea i am sure Yankee fans in Boston are not tormented and abused at the little kiddie field.
what you face is unique.. Yeah boston fans never chant beat LA, or I hate LA, or LA sucks.. Only Yankee fans are animals, I forgot..
USA v. Cuba if anyone’s interested, live stream:
http://www.nbcolympics.com/baseball/index.html
Pence has had a down year. he swings at everything. he is the classic HUSTLE player we hear about all the time. It is interesting usually that connotation goes with white guys from the US..I am sure that is just a coincedence…
Ohh in a heartbeat i would. But i doubt the nats would like him.
Plus hes hitting .250, granted thats .250 higher than melky.
He plays CF right ?
Yup. But he’s better in the COF, young, fast, 5 tool talent.
Sorry, one last post.
Stuart, that was a 5 game sweep. Son of the Massacre. Still hurts but I wear it like a badge of honor.
“Yup. But he’s better in the COF, young, fast, 5 tool talent.”
Quid Pro ro.
Any chance this actually happens ?
Betsy-
Brett Marshall is the goods. Power arm from Houston, TX– can touch 97 with a 90 MPH slider and his best pitch as a junior was his curveball but he was inconsistent with it as a senior, 6’1 with a good build, great head on his shoulders and grew up a Yankee fan too.
The reason he apparently fell was because he lost some velocity in his senior year and he was considered a very tough sign (commitment to Rice). However, according to Patrick on PP, he dazzled the Yankees in workouts and his velocity was back to where it was originally and impressed them with his filthy slider.
Heres a video of him – http://www.myfoxhouston.com/my.....cale=EN-US
Best player from this draft or international signing period, by far (assuming Cole doesn’t sign).
Manny showed up for that series huh Yawkey Universe.. Again I almost felt sorry for you. The last post would lead me to think you are a nice guy after all it is just a stupid game..
These players all of them could care less about us they care about the coin.. Most of them don’t even live in the city they play for…
Boston is a great city wish there residents would just drop the chip off there shoulder, so NY is larger who cares..
Mel, I agree. I think Cole made a foolish decision. College could wait (although online classes in the off-season are a great idea), but his career really can’t. If I were a pitcher, I’d want to get into the Yankees’ (or whatever team’s) system right away and learn from the best. I don’t know much about the subject, but my gut feeling is that a young player can learn more in the minor leagues than he can by playing in college.
If Cole is doing this to please his father, well – that’s just dumb. It’s his life and he has to live it.
Stuart and Someone Else, thanks for the tip about the Yanks regaining the pick next year.
Dave, thanks! I feel good about Marshall after reading what you wrote. The fact that he grew up a Yankee fan? Terrific. I’m crossing my fingers with this kid.
Phelps he can be had if they go after him.
“The Yankees open next season at Baltimore, then go to Kansas City and Tampa Bay before the home opener.”
No West Coast trip to start next season, but Tampa is a dome.
oh yeh my reaction to the death of the king of Yankee haters crack commitee
WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!
Missed the ‘Yanks making it to the post-season’ poll a few threads ago.
Ahhhh …. it’s sure not looking too favorable, ya know what I mean?
It’s starting to look like no chance in hell unless Joba and Hughes come back guns-a-blazin’ to dominate, AND SOON, and also if Pettitte doesn’t get his act back together.
Starting to look like the day the rosters expand to 40 is good opportunity to get some guys the innings or at bats they need to prepare for next year, or to showcase them for trades. That could include benching Melky & Cano if not trading them or putting them on waivers.
Two orders of business that could begin now, neither of which involves the signing of CC Sabathia, which I hope happens:
1: Keep Matsui, Nady & maybe Damon, and acquire by trade or FA one or two new OFs, depending on whether Damon shows up in a trade or not.
2: Replace the right side of the infield.
In the meantime: Go Twins … knock Boston out of the race. If we can’t make it it would be great if they didn’t either. Winning the final series in Fenway to eliminate them would be a consolation prize of sorts.
Not to be too much of a ninny, but maybe it would be better to dial back the vitriolic condemnation of the high schooler just a bit? Or at least until we know for sure that he hasn’t signed?
Now we get to listen to Hughes/Jackson/Betances for Nate McClouth trade proposals and Joba should be in the bullpen all winter!!
This is like X-MAS for me
First Misseneli, then Stephen A. Smith, now Chris Russo …GOD PLEASE LET MICHEAL KAY BE NEXT !!!
Will this be a 105pm or 705pm game on 4/16?
Brandon: As his worst nightmare, I wish Michael Kay the best.
…because then my name wouldn’t make any sense.
Kay and Craig Carton should get their own show together
just throwing out some feelers here, but does anyone think that we could package cano kennedy and some decent prospects for jose lopez and morrow? that trade would give us a 2nd baseman and a hard throwing set-up man
just throwing out some feelers here, but does anyone think that we could package cano kennedy and some decent prospects for jose lopez and morrow? that trade would give us a 2nd baseman and a hard throwing set-up man
Did you see what they wanted for Washburn ? I doubt IPK gets this. Like I said I’d offer IPK for Salty or Milledge in a heart beat.
Brian call Washington he’s sneak through waivers !
It seems everyone has joined my 09 bandwagon even Pete this is good to see.
Brian call Washington he’ll sneak through waivers !
sorry I got too excited
Brandon, Why don’t you like Stephen A. Smith? He is a Knicks/Yankees fan
“Brandon, Why don’t you like Stephen A. Smith? He is a Knicks/Yankees fan”
Maybe because Stephen A is an arrogant clown and “quite frankly” I don’t care what he thinks.
any news on Hideki tonight?
Did he hit in Florida?
thanks…
Maybe because Stephen A is an arrogant clown and “quite frankly†I don’t care what he thinks.
LMAO
stuart rained out
This is classic negotiations. Boras has 5 clients who haven’t signed for the big money he promised them, so if Boras caves in and gives The Yankees (and the other teams) their demands then next time negotiations happen the Yankees will seek a similar deal.
Example:
Boras caves and the Yankees sign Cole for 5 million.
2009 1st pick: “Well this guy could be only half as good as Cole turned out to be, and look what we paid for him!” – Yankees win and Boras’ clients begin to lose leverage.
In this world of negotiations – to which I attend the ILR School at Cornell University – the Agent can’t afford to allow his Clients to sign too lose. Boras himself is walking a fine line, if 5 major prospects don’t end up signing because of his interference in the situation, he might not get good clientele in the future. When word gets out that Boras promises the world, doesn’t deliver and you end up looking foolish as his client. Boras has really no leverage in this situation, only he can’t afford to lose. The best thing for all parties will ultimately be a compromise. Boras doesn’t want to be foolish and miss a opportunity to sign a High-schooler for Big Bucks and show the world what he’s capable of, The Yankees don’t want to be continually bullied by Agents.
In the case of Cole, he is a premium talent who should be taking his lumps in the system instead of going off to College and wasting 2 years of his atheletic career in College where he won’t make ANY money. Really how much higher can his stock even go? The Yankees are willing to give Top 5 money to a high schooler. What could 2 years of college experience really net him? 2 Million more? I don’t know, maybe some of the more versed people can explain to me.
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Another point is the idea that a Corner Outfielder prospect might be worth an Arm in a trade. I disagree to the fact we should trade for a Milledge. The Mets have that Martinez kid they won’t part with, but when you think about how good his ceiling is..is he any better than a Manny Ramirez or Bobby Abreu? Manny can be had this off-season for Cash, nothing else. Ibanez can be had this off-season for cash. Bobby Abreu will be available for cash. Adam Dunn is available for cash. Martinez could have been dealt at the deadline to get the Mets some serious help. I don’t really see the point in keeping corner outfield prospects when so many bats are available EVERY YEAR for just cash. If Austin Jackson can’t play center and has to play Right or Left, I don’t see the point it keeping the kid if we could just trade him for something useful now, when a Premium bat will just be available in free agency. Can Austin Jackson at his ceiling really be better than an Adam Dunn or a Bobby Abreu?
Brandon, Why don’t you like Stephen A. Smith? He is a Knicks/Yankees fan
He was the biggest Isiah Thomas bagrider I’ve ever heard in my life. And please the Yankee fan in him is fake.
I’m still in the Cano-for-Kemp camp and will remain there the entire offseason.
I don’t even think Stephen A. Smith watches baseball…. or any sport other than the NBA.
Between his lack of sports acumen and the presence of Mike Misselini on his show— it was insufferable.
Another point is the idea that a Corner Outfielder prospect might be worth an Arm in a trade. I disagree to the fact we should trade for a Milledge. The Mets have that Martinez kid they won’t part with, but when you think about how good his ceiling is..is he any better than a Manny Ramirez or Bobby Abreu? Manny can be had this off-season for Cash, nothing else.
Manny is the last thing this team needs. He is questionable in effort, can’t field if his life depended on it and is just using the Yanks to drive his price tag up. I’m saying IPK for Milledge because it’s a headache player for a lesser headache player plus the one coming back has heart and competes.
Ibanez can be had this off-season for cash. Bobby Abreu will be available for cash. Adam Dunn is available for cash. Martinez could have been dealt at the deadline to get the Mets some serious help. I don’t really see the point in keeping corner outfield prospects when so many bats are available EVERY YEAR for just cash.
This makes no sense at all, Adam Dunn is asking for 100 million in his next negotiation. Ibanez is old, why are we talking about MArtinez what does he have to do w/ this.
If Austin Jackson can’t play center and has to play Right or Left, I don’t see the point it keeping the kid if we could just trade him for something useful now, when a Premium bat will just be available in free agency. Can Austin Jackson at his ceiling really be better than an Adam Dunn or a Bobby Abreu?
Oh brother.
i do hope the yankees sign dunn to a reasonable contract. heres the reason. he can take over fulltime dh duties and thus hit 40+ homeruns with the short porch and draw 100 walks a year. that would offset any strikeouts.
Manny will not be wearing pinstripes next season. The Yanks have no interest in him whatsoever and that’s fine by me.
Why would the Yanks sign another DH when they’ve got Matsui to do that next season and we have no idea if Posada is going to be able to catch everyday?
Adam Dunn is not the answer and also won’t be wearing pinstripes next season.
In reply to Brandon:
If Austin Jackson was involved in a trade to bring along someone proven would you still dismissive of the notion that perhaps Adam Dunn or Bobby Abreu as replacements? You’re right, they aren’t probably aren’t as good as Jackon, but relative to Jackson’s value they may very well be. If Austin Jackson becomes the difference in a trade don’t you follow the notion that perhaps it would be better to part ways when we can get a comparable player for cash?
Martinez has something to do with this in the fact he is the Mets premium bat, and he wasn’t dealt. Jackson is our bat and wasn’t dealt. Jackson has incredible value to the Yankees if he plays Center Field, if he is just another corner outfielder he is a dime a dozen. Dunn for $100 million is crazy, but it is just money, a good pitcher isn’t available in Free Agency like a corner outfield bat is. Kennedy needs time to mature and pitch in the American League, he has more value than a Lastings Milledge. Ultimately, the best option for Kennedy might be the National League, but it isn’t the best trade option.
If seems like only yesterday that Soriano was available.
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Also, if you think negotiating with Cole was rough, just everyone wait and see what Sabbathia wants. The game has sort of changed in Free Agency. If you’re a free agent pitcher you are going to absolutely command GMs around the league. People inferior to Sabbathia have gone for much, Santana was in a situation where he sorta had to complete a deal, Sabbathia and Sheets have nothing but time. It will be a blood bath.
Hightops Adam Dunn is the type of player we are trying to stay away from, he can’t field, he can’t hit consistantly, has no range, has no day to day baseball IQ, has no consistant patience, has no speed, has nothing about him other than strikeouts and HR. No I wouldn’t and no one is stupid enough to give him 100 million. Austin Jackson is young, 21, can field, has range, can throw, can run, can hit, has developing patience and upside, yeh I’d keep him.
Kennedy needs time to mature and pitch in the American League, he has more value than a Lastings Milledge. Ultimately, the best option for Kennedy might be the National League, but it isn’t the best trade option.
What you miss here is Lasting’s value is low right now, IPK is low too and if this deal can be had you do it. Lastings when 100 % and ready is a 5 tool talent, also a game changer in the OF and the and the bat in the future.
Remember that the world baseball classic is coming up so maybe the season starts a little later
“if you think negotiating with Cole was rough, just everyone wait and see what Sabbathia wants.”
All I can say is, if CC decides to spurn the Yankees for college, you better get to the dining commons before he does!
Hope the Gerrit Cole going to UCLA rumors aren’t true.We get another pick next year but I really wanted this kid.Who was a big Yankees fan.
Don’t feed the trolls.
“he can’t field, he can’t hit consistantly, has no range, has no day to day baseball IQ, has no consistant patience, has no speed, has nothing about him other than strikeouts and HR.” (I am not familiar with the quote feature)
I wouldn’t ask for anything more from a Left Fielder. Other than 1st base, Left Field is the easiest position to play, which is why you put un-athletic mashers and lefties at those positions. I don’t like Dunn for much of the same reasons you don’t, but if a Major League ready Austin Jackson and some other players could get us a Brandon Webb (next season if the Diamondbacks are out of it, still a hypothetical scenario all-around), I would pull the trigger instantly and not think twice. Tabata is someone I had no problem letting go, we got a lefty reliever and a serviceable MLB-ready player for a corner outfield prospect.
heres a funny though. all these years the yankees have traded away prosepcts, but think about it, how many of them are sucessful, and how many are not even in the game anymore.
All I can say is, if CC decides to spurn the Yankees for college, you better get to the dining commons before he does!
LOL!
I wouldn’t be too surprised if reports start surfacing tomorrow around 10 pm that Cole has agreed to sign. I think its very possible that Boras is trying to make the Yankees panic. Honestly, it makes no sense to turn down $5 million+ and hope Cole is still a great, healthy prospect in 3 years. A lot can change in 3 years. Then again, who knows?
Hightops I think what your forgetting is where these big bop bats have taken us..exactly nowhere. I think waaaaay out of control w/ FA over the years again I want to see a young athletic baseball team on that field, not just boppers and sluggers that can’t field or run or score in different ways. It’s the end of that era.
I think the Yankees got waaaaay out of control w/ FA over the years, again I want to see a young athletic baseball team on that field that have 5 tools, not just boppers and sluggers that can’t field or run or score in different ways. It’s the end of that era.*
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I agree with you Brandon, I was just trying to float the idea of settling with Big Bopper FAs if we can get pitching for Corner Outfield prospects. I think Adam Dunn is horrible and much of the league knows it, I can’t see him getting much in free agency. I think if Austin Jackson is playing Center Field that we’ll have a great team to build around going forward, and it sends a nice message that the Yankees are willing to modernize and build from within.
Big bop bats aren’t the reason the Yankees failed all these years.It’s not getting good free agent pitching and gritty players.
Yes Bernie Williams,MO,Jeter,Posada and Pettitte was getting good talent from the farm.But David Cone,David Wells,O’Neil(Nady now),Stanton and Girardi was good free agent signings.
The idea that the late 90′s dynasty was all from the farm is why Kennedy and Hughes was thrown to early into the majors.
MoBoy you wouldn’t classify Milledge as a gritty player ?
I think of Milledge as Reggie’s ego meets Miguel Cairo’s ability. (obvious lame joke)
Lastings is sort of like the two other troubled players I can think of right now: Delmon Young and teammate Elijah Dukes. Delmon young was projected higher than Milledge, but hasn’t come through in much the same fashion. Dukes has been said to have high upside, but off the field is a distraction. Milledge got a bad wrap in New York, but doesn’t seem as though he’ll live up to his potential.
I think maybe we should trade for Milledge, but not Kennedy. We shouldn’t be so ready to give up on him, not a Milledge at least.
HAHAHAHA watch sportscenter tonight people, Philly tried a fake field goal and Richard Marshall took the shovel pass for a INT TD the other way LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
I think maybe we should trade for Milledge, but not Kennedy. We shouldn’t be so ready to give up on him, not a Milledge at least.
I don’ t see future star in Kennedy but I’ve seen it w/ Milledge bad rap and all.
I think the Yankees must have kennedy and hughes in the rotation for September. Give them each 4 starts so they can evaluate where they go for next year. All the talk about CC who I don’t think will sign with the Yankees and Tex who I think that may have a shot at is great but the Yankees have to take a hard look at their pitching prospects in September.
are we getting cliff lee?
“Give them each 4 starts so they can evaluate where they go for next year”
They did that last September and look what it got ‘em.
Evaluating Hughes in September is worthy plus some Fall League baseball for innings he lost due to injury.
No real point in evaluating Kennedy. He goes as part of a deal over the winter.
““Give them each 4 starts so they can evaluate where they go for next yearâ€
They did that last September and look what it got ‘em.”
yeah, and at this point, they generally know what level of production to expect from these guys now, and how much better they can project to be. they dont need 4+ more starts to reevaluate.
and i just dont think they are going into 2009 trusting the rotation with 3 rookies anymore. it was a big gamble, and it backfired.
when spring training rolls around, joba will be the only one guaranteed a spot in the rotation.
Wang, Joba, and Pettitte will all be back, and i think they’ll sign at least 1 veteran FA (Sabathia/Sheets/Perez/Burnett/Ponson), not including Moose… and if Moose is back (or 2 FAs are signed), there is your starting 5, and Hughes starts in Scranton with IPK.
“No real point in evaluating Kennedy. He goes as part of a deal over the winter.”
it wouldnt surprise me, but i dont think they are going to trade him away for less than his projected worth.
to me, he’s the perfect guy to package with Cano, or in a group of other players/prospects, to get a big time player.
Turn Two:
I’m not sure a Cano/IPK package gets you a big time player. Suppose it depends on what you mean by big time.
Today in The Journal News….
eh….dont bother….there’s really nothing interesting in it today.
“I’m not sure a Cano/IPK package gets you a big time player. Suppose it depends on what you mean by big time.”
well, yeah. big time for me means a young, everyday productive position player at a premium position… a CF or a 1B, preferred for me, and seems to be what this team needs for the near future.
i think most people already know the names that have been thrown around as possibilities the past day or two…
and of course you can always add to the two of them if need be to get a package players back in return, or up the ante to get the guy you really want.
Hughes and Cano right now can prob get you just about any player you want in the league who is available.
Assuming the Angels sign Teixeira, 1st base and center field changes will have to come by way of trade.
Free agency can net Orlando Hudson or Mark Ellis to man 2nd base assuming Cano goes in a deal.
Trading chips come in the way of Cano, Cabrera, Kennedy, Betemit, Gardner, Chistian and whoever the FO deems necessary to use from the farm system.
Pitching is another subject altogether.
Hughes and Cano right now can prob get you just about any player you want in the league who is available.”
Hughes and Cano definitiely would. Cano/IPK won’t. Some of the names I’ve heard are a bit ridiculous. Adrian Gonzalez? No freakin’ way (unless Hughes was involved). Excellent young player, great contract. Loney??? Can’t see why the Dodgers would do that. Kemp??? Well, that I can see.
Today is the day for Andy Pettitte to step up. He hasn’t pitched well lately and the Yankees need a gritty gutty performance from him.
Also I hope the Yankees saw the front page of the Post, they had their obit written. Post it everywhere in the clubhouse. THey shouldn’t need motivation but hey whatever works.
“Today is the day for Andy Pettitte to step up. He hasn’t pitched well lately and the Yankees need a gritty gutty performance from him.”
Pettite actually threw a pretty good game at Disney the last time out. Royals are just what the doctor ordered. They’ve been swinging the bats miserably. They’re coming off the ass end of a 3 game sweep in Chicago in which they were outscored 22-2.
Lets just hope they don’t turn it around when they face us.
What’s the difference between last night and 57 games of the season?
…We didn’t lose last night. God I love off days.
“Also I hope the Yankees saw the front page of the Post, they had their obit written.”
They’re toast so far as the division goes. Rays play .500 the rest of the way, the Yanks have to play .750 to TIE. I’d feel a bit better about the WC if it was only one team they are trailing. 4 games of back of the Twins in the AILC and 6 back of Boston. There’s not a lot of time to make up that ground over TWO teams. Twins have the Mariners this weekend. Boston has Toronto. They’ll see Halladay and Burnett in this series, so some ground could be made up there perhaps.
Mussina will start in it, quote me on this one.
I don’t like the idea of trading Kennedy or Cano this offseason. Their value is very low right now and I hate selling low.
Brandon, I like your idea of Lastings Milledge, he’s young, athletic and has a lot of potential. I’m not sure if it would be a good idea to bring him back to NY though. Also, it would take a lot more than Kennedy to get Milledge.
I say we should bring back Josh Phelps and Have Melky Cabrera pitch in the First game of the season.,
The only way for Cano and Cabrera to save themselves from rumors of going to other teams in deals is to to carry this Yankee team for the remaining 42 games. Otherwise they can clean out their lockers at the end of the regular season and shake hands with former teammates.
“The only way for Cano and Cabrera to save themselves from rumors of going to other teams in deals is to to carry this Yankee team for the remaining 42 games.”
It’s 41 games and it’s not on Cabrera to carry anything. His job is to play a good CF and be a slightly below average offensive player. He’s failed to do the latter.
Won’t Curt Schilling be a free agent? And he will have beef with the Red Sox over how they treated him this year.
And don’t try to project who will pitch two weeks into the season. By then, half the team may be on the DL. You’ll have Rivera spot starting.
“is to to carry this Yankee team for the remaining 42 games.â€
If everyone just plays up to their capabilities, nobody needs to carry the team. Players who feel they have to do too much often do nothing instead.
cashman knows what it is that he’s thinking as far as throwing in the towel on the season or not.
he either has a deal with hank or he doesn’t.
if he doesn’t, i don’t see how he can take the chance on finishing in last place and surviving with his job.
so something is up that we need our ace lie detector, mr peter abraham to uncover. has hank and cashman already agreed on throwing in the towel this year?
as sj44 always says, watch what they do , not what they say.
on another related note, i wouldn’t mind the yankees not making the playoffs so much if the red sox were not poised to win their third world championship in 5 years with beckett, matsuzaka, and lester giving them a dominant three starters to pitch any playoff series.
let me say straight out, i hate the red sox with an irrational passion. part of the reason i dislike cashman so much is that he really doesn’t care if the red sox win the world series. . he’ll say his focus is on the yankees.
i think if the yankees take care of beating the red sox every year into submission, the world series will take care of itself. ask yourself is this yankee team built to beat the red sox.” built” is the operative word.
of course it isn’t and the yankees do not dominate the red sox. cashman and theo are good buddies. do we really want a gm that the red sox gm speaks of in superlatives?
i don’t. cashman is the first gm in yankee history who has rolled over and let the red sox win multiple world series.
that alone for is grounds for permanent yankee infamy and dismissal . if there was a yankee wall of shame, cashman should have prime spot on it.
…and insult to injury as i type , this little kid drew, who’d been arguing with me since he was five , just came in my business saying that the mets are better than the yankees and also informed me that the mets are in first place. he’s eight now. drew ,with his mets cap on, says” the yankees stink”.
he’s the smartest kid i know as far as baseball goes.
for the first time, i can’t argue with him.
cashman has to go.
“And he will have beef with the Red Sox over how they treated him this year.”
You mean how they paid him $8 million to run his computer company and make appearances????
Dumb question – is the deadline for signing draftees 12 noon or 12 midnight?
thanks –
btw – I was surprised that the Daily News and the NY Post didn’t carry the Cole story, was it just a bad dream or are they not happy to carry a story that the Times broke?
“Dumb question – is the deadline for signing draftees 12 noon or 12 midnight?”
Midnight.
Won’t Curt Schilling be a free agent? And he will have beef with the Red Sox over how they treated him this year.
You can’t be serious. A 42-year-old former Red Sox big-mouth who hasn’t pitched in a year? I wouldn’t pay him peanuts to put on the pinstripes.
86W,
How do you make the case that I am the least informed on the draft by stating that I am advocating the Yankee’s give up a 40 spot for any prospect? I have said nothing of the sort. If you knew anything about the draft you would know that where a particular player is drafted has NOTHING to do with talent. If that were the case Cole is in the top 5…He fell due to signablity. Getting someone with this kids abilities is unlikely to be repeated with next years compensatory pick.
Gerrit Cole from the day he signed would have been one of the top 3 if not the top prospect in the system. You don’t let that kind of talent walk away over 3 million and a 40 man roster spot.
Do a little research on the draft and the talent in it if you want to debate me on this….
“A 42-year-old former Red Sox big-mouth who hasn’t pitched in a year?”
The Red Sox and big mouth aspects are meaningless. He’s a likely HOF’er and one of the four or five best postseason pitchers ever.
But he is too old and broken down and is no longer worth the investment.
We need to sweep the Royals….period….anything else, and the hole gets deeper….
Hey guys, has anyone notice Dice-K’s numbers? I had no idea he was doing this well:
Dice K is 14-2 with a 2.74 era
…Anyone else hyped for Yu Darvish?
The fact that both Bleich and Cole are Boras clients is really disturbing to me – especially after the A-Rod negotiation fiasco.
Frankly it should bother the kids too, who might not necessarily be receiving the best possible advice for their individual situations because of the complicated position that Boras is in vis a vis the Yanks front office.
“Do a little research on the draft and the talent in it if you want to debate me on this….”
Here’s a little research. He’s not as good as either David Price or Rick Porcello. Neither got anywhere near what Cole is looking for. Can’t waste a spot on the 40 man for a kid 3-4 years away from contributing.
Royals are just what the doctor ordered. They’ve been swinging the bats miserably. They’re coming off the ass end of a 3 game sweep in Chicago in which they were outscored 22-2.
Watch the Royals come in and sweep the Yanks.
Nothing seem to go as expected for this team.
“You can’t be serious. A 42-year-old former Red Sox big-mouth who hasn’t pitched in a year? I wouldn’t pay him peanuts to put on the pinstripes.”
I’d pay him NOT to put on pinstripes.
“Dice K is 14-2 with a 2.74 era”
His WHIP belies the outstanding ERA, but he’s pitched quite well of late and recently has been pitching deeper into games (he’s averaged nearly 7 IP per outing over his last 7 starts). Still walking too many, but he’s not allowing many hits and has steered clear of the gopher ball.
I’m a big believer in “walks kill”. Sooner or later, that adage may catch up to him.
Fredo –
I agree with you on Dice-K – he does a ton of pitching into and out of trouble and seems to be a nibbler more than anything else.
Plus, his games last FOREVER – he works slowly and nibbles to the point that even if he has a strong record I am pretty happy that he isn’t on our squad.
Fredo
Did the Yankees waste a 40 on a kid who was not as good as Price last year and who needed TJS and by the way was at least 3 years away? Brackman has a better arm then Cole. However, after TJS (even with the success rate) His arm has to be suspect. Look at Sanchez who’s velocity is way down. for every Melancon success, their is a Kid like Sanchez who just may never be the same…Sanchez still has time and may fully recover velocity…but he may not.
The point is Cole would have been ranked higher than either of them going into next spring.
I am not comparing Cole to Price. The Yankees do not get shots at the David Prices of the world. They will never draft that high, so when they get a kid with top 5 talent they have to sign him…
In addition…If the Yankees were not going to spend the money on Cole than why not sign Inoa? If you can get arms like these in your system at less than 10 million yo do it.
If not you get stuck buying Pavano, Wright, Brown etc…and for a lot more money.
“86W,
How do you make the case that I am the least informed on the draft by stating that I am advocating the Yankee’s give up a 40 spot for any prospect? I have said nothing of the sort. If you knew anything about the draft you would know that where a particular player is drafted has NOTHING to do with talent. If that were the case Cole is in the top 5…He fell due to signablity. Getting someone with this kids abilities is unlikely to be repeated with next years compensatory pick.
Gerrit Cole from the day he signed would have been one of the top 3 if not the top prospect in the system. You don’t let that kind of talent walk away over 3 million and a 40 man roster spot.
Do a little research on the draft and the talent in it if you want to debate me on this….”
Ok, let’s say the Yankees give in, as you want them to.
$9M and a 40 man roster spot to an 18 year old kid with a live arm, but spotty mechanics.
Next year, they draft another Cole type. He’s going to ask for $10M and a 40 man roster spot. The next year? $12M and a 40 man roster spot.
YOU CAN’T GIVE IN TO HIS DEMANDS, or you’re inviting being walked all over every single year.
Cole wouldn’t have been ranked higher than Brackman next spring. Not even close.
If Brackman didn’t need elbow surgery, he would have been the #2 pick in the draft last year.
Gerrit Cole was never rated higher than Brackman or projected higher than he is.
You don’t give 40 man roster spots to high school kids. By doing so, you are stating that you expect him to be in the majors within 2 years. Nobody has Cole projected to be in the majors in two years.
As others have accurately pointed out, he’s wasn’t graded higher by any ML scouting service (or team for that matter) than Porcello, Price or Brackman.
He is a HS kid with a great arm. In other words, he’s Dellin Betances. Very talented, very raw and not worthy of a 40 man roster spot.
If that’s what he wants, good luck at UCLA.
TK
I think people make too much of the Boras effect. He only has leverage when you are willing to do anything to get what he has. If Cash has the mindset that he is willing to walk away when his best offer is refused, Boras’ leverage is greatly reduced.
If the drafted players don’t sign contracts, the players and Boras don’t get paid. He wants to get them the most he can but them going to school isn’t likely his plan for a 1st round pick.
Boras has no guarantee that a player who goes back to school can stay healthy or even would want to still be represented by him in 3 years time.
It’s easier to convince a 10th round pick that he can go 1st round in 3 years than it is to convince a 1st round pick, who has already seen the 1st pick in the draft get similiar money, that the upside 3 years from now will be that much better.
Interesting debate.
How far apart were they with Cole?
damon, irod, nady, abreu, astats, cano, vistaroof, giabmi, melky
Don’t know whether anyone said this but The New York Times are reporting that Cole talked ot family and has decided college over the Yanks. MOney and Boras not involved.
Was it just the money, or were there other factors?
Its not that the Yankees don’t want to pay him.
They offered him a deal that would have been one of the five highest paid bonus deals in the draft.
They are unwilling (and rightfully so) to make him the highest paid player in the draft (which is what giving him 9 million would do) AND give him a 40 man roster spot.
The Yankees aren’t lowballing him. He’s being completely unreasonable with his demands.
By the way, we get somewhere around the 28th pick next year along with our normal first rounder and free agent signings, whatever happens with those. That is up in the air.
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People heard it, they just aren’t choosing to believe it.
“I agree with you on Dice-K – he does a ton of pitching into and out of trouble and seems to be a nibbler more than anything else.”
Looking at his numbers, he is dominant against righties, allowing a .197 BAA, and a .563 OPS against. He’s allowed 9 extra basehits to righties in 250 PA’s. By comparison, Joba has allowed 7 EXBH’s to righties in 180 PA’s and Mussina has allowed 36 in 310 PA’s (Stunningly, Mussina’s numbers against righthanded bats suck. But check out his numbers against lefties. Truly remarkable.)
Left handers aren’t hitting him all that well either, but do have a .724 OPS against him. Bottom line is he ain’t getting hit much and when he does, he’s not getting hit hard.
We have two weeks roadtrip, the opener should depend on the rotation. No reasons to change the rotation for a game. I can’t afford we are out off postseason again.
“In addition…If the Yankees were not going to spend the money on Cole than why not sign Inoa? If you can get arms like these in your system at less than 10 million yo do it.
If not you get stuck buying Pavano, Wright, Brown etc…and for a lot more money.”
Again, the Yankees had Inoa, at a bit over $3M. Another agent comes in, and tells the Yankees, oh sorry about that other deal, it’ll actually take $5M.
If the Yankees say yes, he goes back to the As, and comes back and say $7M?
It’s better to just say ‘no’, rather than allow yourself to be used in driving up the price. Again, pitching prospects are not 100% successes. Check out Porcello; his K rate is not very promising, especially at single-A.
Don’t believe for a minute Boras is not involved. This is all about Boras.
Here’s the thing…..the whole “advisor” issue is a very murky thing vis a vie the NCAA.
You can’t sign with an advisor prior to signing your deal or you lose your college eligibility. In the case of a HS kid, he’s immediately ineligible if he has a written agreement with an agent/advisor.
An agent/advisor can “provide the family information if asked to do so by a family member”. Hence, Cole’s dad can be the “negotiator” with teams and still preserve his son’s college eligibility.
Make no mistake, this not about dad. This is about Scott Boras. Boras is driving the train here but needs the dad as the “frontman” or Cole would be ineligible to play college baseball.
If Cole doesn’t sign, and the Yankees have two 1st round picks in 2009, are both eligible to be taken away if the Yankees sign two type A free agents, or just the ‘native’ 1st round pick?
I’ve heard rumors that Sabathia might favor the west coast. Has anyone heard anything about Sheets preference?
pat –
I take your point – but when the top 2 picks in the draft are hanging in the balance, a failure to reach a deal with Boras makes this years draft dramatically damaged.
We get the picks next year, but sacrificing a year is not without its price.
If Bleich was reported to sign ‘at slot’ and doesn’t get done, that really seems like Boras is using his leverage and not necessarily doing what is in Bleich’s best interest.
(obviously I’m making some assumptions here – we’ll know more by tomorrow a.m.)
SJ
What does Boras stand to gain from Cole going to UCLA?
“Check out Porcello; his K rate is not very promising, especially at single-A.”
He’s a 19 year old in Hi-A in his 1st professional season. Kids he’s playing against are legal drinkers or older and he’s more than holding his own.
Young kid players are such a crapshoot.
pat,
He will stay the kids advisor and will roll the dice the kid is something special in two years.
It doesn’t change Boras’ life if the kid signs with the Yankees or goes to college. He’s already got more money than God, has a large client list, with probably bag between a 10 and 15 million dollar fee when he does Tex’s new deal, among others.
Who it affects is Cole. If Cole either gets hurt or doesn’t project in two years (both as realistically a possiblilty as him being the next stud pitching star), he’s out huge money.
The agent gets 5% of the signing bonus. The other 95% goes to the player.
If the player doesn’t project, who gets hurt more? The guy not getting 95% or the guy not getting 5%?
“The agent gets 5% of the signing bonus. The other 95% goes to the player.
If the player doesn’t project, who gets hurt more? The guy not getting 95% or the guy not getting 5%?”
Um, nobody said there were going to be word problems on this blog. (;
WRT KC, they just duplicated our recent feat in Boston givng up back-to-back-to-back-to-back HRs
“Jim Thome, Paul Konerko, Alexei Ramirez and Juan Uribe hit consecutive homers as the White Sox topped the Royals on Thursday afternoon.
Thome started the streak with a three-run blast, and his teammates followed to tie the big league record and put the game out of reach for the Royals. Konerko’s homer was his third this month, and he’s 11-for-33 so far this month. For Uribe, it was his first homer in 107 at-bats.”
SJ44, any clue how the Steinbrenners’ mandate last off-season that A-Rod exclude Boras from direct contract negotiation and the ensuing A-Rod-Boras acrimony has impacted Boras’ relationship with the front-office.
I can imagine that Boras wouldn’t nurse a grudge as a consequence.
A-Rod’s return to the Yankees and his explanation of the opt-out debacle tarnished Boras’ reputation, if it didn’t actually humiliate him.
I wonder whether this has anything to do with Cole. If not, I still wonder whether Boras’ resentment at what transpired will harm the Yankees’ ability to sign his clients in the future, whether amateurs or professional free-agents.
Boras always will the use the Yankees to inflate the bidding price for his clients. The question is whether Boras will discourage them from signing with the Yankees for selfish and vindictive reasons.
After what happened with A-Rod, I wouldn’t put anything past Boras.
Incidentally, if A-Rod is telling the whole truth– that Boras misrepresented the Steinbrenner’s offer and interest in signing Alex to an extension– Boras’ misconduct is grounds for disbarment. I just defended another lawyer in a criminal investigation on this very issue.
“any clue how the Steinbrenners’ mandate last off-season that A-Rod exclude Boras from direct contract negotiation and the ensuing A-Rod-Boras acrimony has impacted Boras’ relationship with the front-office.”
Boras may not have been allowed in the room, but he was very much part of the negotiations. That said, Little Stein’s ploy to keep him out of the room probably didn’t help the relationship.
How important is this KC series…
Unfortunately the Yankees struggle against the youth of that bullpen.
ks –
I don’t think A-Rod has any appetite to sue Boras – he’s going to be spending enough time with lawyers and legal issues on other unhappy matters
KS,
Do I think Boras harbors some resentment toward the Yankees? Yes. Do I think he will tell players not to sign with the Yankees? No.
He’s not stupid. If he were to do something like that, all the Yankees have to do is come out publicly anytime he talks about a “mystery team” getting involved in negotiations with his clients, or saying the Yankees are involved, and say, “No we are not”. That kills his leverage in deals.
Scott is trying to change the way the draft compensates players. To that end, he will take it to the limit all the time to try and bust the walls (or what he percieves as walls) down.
Its just how he rolls.
Sometimes if you are a team, you just have to draw a line in the sand and say no.
Personally, I think this is more about the 40 man roster spot than it is about the money, regardless of what’s being said publicly.
You can’t give up a 40 man spot to a HS kid. Its bad baseball business and it sets and awful precedent.
They did it last year for Brackman and, despite the fact that kid has a higher ceiling than Cole, that was risky business.
Just can’t do it here.
If the kid wants to throw the offer away over that, good luck to him.
The odds aren’t in his favor, he will have a similar or better offer in two years.
For folks who don’t believe me, go back 2-3 years and take a look at the HS pitchers who were drafted high and didn’t sign. Then chart their careers.
They don’t all project out in 2-3 years. A lot can happen in that timeframe to kids.
“Incidentally, if A-Rod is telling the whole truth–”
Surely, you jest?
Arod knew exactly what Boras was doing throughout that process. Then he panicked when he saw the Yankees reaction to it and realized he may well have burned bridges. Boras, as any good agent would do, assumed the role of the man in the black hat and fell on his sword (5% of 300,000,000 is a lot of scratch) but Arod was culpable too.
BTW, a friend of mine who used to work for Angelos, informs me that the Orioles plan to offer Teixiera whatever he wants. They’ll go as high as $200 million, if not more.
In fact, Angelos, evidently, is willing pay Teixiera out of his own pocket, if necessary.
I know Teixiera is from Baltimore. I have no idea whether he’d want to play there, but McPhail has done an excellent job with rebuilding that team thus far.
Losing Bedard and Loewen hurt them but they seem to have an impressive young nucleus for the future.
I heard the same thing about Tex and Baltimore.
What’s funny is, Angelos HATES Boras. Despises him! lol
Andy McPhail will have to be the go between in that one.
Still think Arte Moreno will keep him. Kendry Morales is not a suitable first base replacement for Kotchman or Tex.
It would surprise me if the Angels didn’t sign him because I don’t think they would have let Kotchman go if they didn’t have a good feeling about signing him.
ks –
A move like that makes absolutely zero sense at this point in the Orioles development.
Which in my mind, means that Angelos must be 100% for it.
I don’t know what kind of marketing benefit Tex will give the O’s, but they are not a player away from contending.
Cole will sign at 11:58:43.
I was just looking at the list of signed first round draft picks and only about 3-5 of the top talents in the first round have signed (including the number one pick overall).
I believe this is all about leverage. Cole’s leverage is to say he is going to college. The Yankee’s leverage is to say go back to college and we will take the replacement pcik next year.
Listen Cole and his family can’t say we will take what you give us just as the Yankees can’t see we are devastated, grief stricken, and optionless since you are going back to school.
This is high stakes and if Cole can get an extra million dollars that is real money. As pointed out previously the chance a high school arm makes it big is extremely thin and therefore this may be Cole’s only chance for hitting the lottery. An extra million means a lot.
If the Yankees keep him off the 40 man that is significant for them.
This may very well be high stakes poker played out through the media.
Wait and see and then comment ont he result rather than the suppostion.
Fredo, I’m not sure we should assume anything with A-Rod.
The guy is so insecure and emotionally weak and vulnerable– so desperate for a surrogate father– it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he actually trusted everything Boras told him.
“Losing Bedard and Loewen hurt them but they seem to have an impressive young nucleus for the future”
Some nice young pitching coming up with Tillman and Arrieta to go along with Guthrie. Markakis is a great ballplayer and Jones was showing signs of getting it. Teixeira doesn’t make the O’s a winner immediately, but he gives them a little more credibility and he’d be going to a team heading in the right direction.
The AL East is going to be a dog fight, then, for the forseeable future, if that’s the case. Hank’s deluding himself if he thinks the Yankees are going to win the AL East next year without vast improvements– vast improvements I can’t fathom how they’re going to realize.
Where the heck are they going to get their offense from the next few years if A-Jax, Montero, and Laird are a few years away, and they plan to let Abreu and Giambi leave?
If they let Abreu sign elsewhere, they’re going to need a 3 hitter. No, Nady, with his .OBA, is not a 3-hitter.
And then too, even if they re-sign Giambi for less money, Giambi, really, isn’t a 5 hitter anymore either.
Who knows what to expect from a healed Posada? And with Matsui’s chronically arthritic knees, I have serious questions whether he’ll ever be the same hitter again.
Is the plan to sign CC this off-season and Holliday, next off-season?
The Red Sox have a core of four hitter who produce, or will produce, above the league-average, all under 30 (two of whom already are all-stars, the other two could be): Youklis, Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Lowrie.
The Yankees have Cano. Uh-Oh.
Cano definitely stinks this year, but we have all seen what he can do. I believe the old Cano is who he is, but someone needs to light a fire under his ass (im guessing Bowa kept him motivated). He friggin hit .342 two years ago, and over .300 with almost 100 rbis last year. You will just not find that kind of talent elsewhere, but i agree he definitely needs to be smacked around, taught how to hustle and dive once in a while.
I think if Cole signs late tonight then Boras will look silly. A last minute, down to the second deal isn’t good for anyone. He was bothered by the ARod debacle but it doesn’t change the fact he still needs to work in the best interest of his clients. If he chose to advise Cole, and to spite the Yankees he sends him to college, then how bad would Boras look to future clients? He is willing to potentially ruin a Young Kid’s career to weaken the Yankees? This deal may already be done for all we know, and it’s just a matter of tacking things onto a deal.
Rumor has it that they aren’t announcing many of the Top Picks (unless they’re reasonable) cause they don’t want un-signed talent to use the other signings as leverage. Weither it is true, who knows. I am not even sure if Major League Baseball can protect this information from being public.
Do we really know how far apart they are on a deal? Is the 40-man spot a must? Do they even want the 40-man roster spot? Did the Yankees never really have a chance? My knowledge of negotiations leads me to believe that the Yankees wouldn’t have even drafted him if they didn’t think a deal could get done.
It would be interesting if someone could break down Deadline signings of Draft Talent the past few years. I wonder how many MLB deals get done last minute.