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That should just about do it

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 16, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post


11 men left on base, 3 for 13 with RISP, Rivera wild pitches in the winning run and Justin Christian gets picked off in the bottom of the ninth? A fine effort.





138 Responses to “That should just about do it”

  1. frits (cano for kemp) August 16th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    goodbye 2008 yankees…

  2. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 16th, 2008 at 12:09 am


  3. Fredo Corleone August 16th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    So now you see the iceberg?

  4. JC in DC August 16th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Another sickening loss. They find a new way to kill themselves every game.

  5. Dennis August 16th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Biggest joke of a season I’ve ever seen.

  6. matt August 16th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    soooooooo, whos thinking repeat for the giants???

  7. GCNSean August 16th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Yeah… it does not look good… Horrible game… but whats new with these guys…

  8. Chief August 16th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    un-frikin-believable. wow they stink and they put no effort in.

  9. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 16th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    This should be an interesting post-game from Girardi.

  10. PUDGE, THE 08 CURSE August 16th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    cashman yankee career over, juicer giambis career over, yankees done theeeeeeeeeee yankees done!!!

  11. jk August 16th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    In 2007, A-Rod had 27 rbi in the 9th inning. This year he has 1.

  12. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, Ian Kennedy for Lastings Milledge give me the piece I’ll pull the trigger) August 16th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    It had to end sometime unfortunately it ended in 2008 :(

  13. j August 16th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    time for me to get ready for the jets.

  14. fred from jersey August 16th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    photoshop jokes are great, and original.

  15. Yank Fan Surrounded by Sux Fans August 16th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    in 2 words: no heart. just not meant to be. over 80% of us have voted. have not completely jumped off the wagon yet but my feet are dangling. cannot be there every year i guess. s’alright. the retooling is in progress. one step backward for 2 forward. bases loaded in the 9th but no score. your 2008 yankees. christian getting picked off is the topper.

  16. PUDGE, THE 08 CURSE August 16th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    if anyones interested in watching the end of the yankee season again, its on YES now

  17. djsunyc August 16th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    it’s one of those seasons that many yankee fans are not ready for…i’m fearing the reactions.

    but i think the yanks knew this was a transition season and will continue to proceed with their rebuilding of the team through the farm system.

    this is probably the most important winter in a while…

  18. Bob(The Original) August 16th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Having Damon try to bunt screwed up that whole inning.

    Christian has speed let him steal.

    Damon is leading the league in hitting, let him hit.

    Instead you waste a n AB by Damon by not letting him hit until he has 2 strikes on him.

    Stupid stupid managing there Girardi.

    Whatever though, this whole team is a pathetic excuse for a baseball team. I hope they lose big time the rest of the way so they don’t even consider bringing some of thes jerkoffs back.

    You blew a great chance at a win there.

    Just stupid.

  19. mike August 16th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    i dont think i would care as much if this wasnt the last season in yankee stadium. what a way to go out …

  20. mell hall's batting stance August 16th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    bad teams find new ways to lose. this is a bad team. bring hughes up! let’s see what the future looks like.

  21. E-Man August 16th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    “This should be an interesting post-game from Girardi.”

    Really why?

    All he’s going to say is “You have to tip your cap to them”.

    On JC, “It happens sometimes, that’s baseball”

    On Mo, “Well he’s our closer and he gets the ball”

  22. j August 16th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    where can i hear the postgame excuses, i mean comments.

  23. Jeff August 16th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    Christian needs to go.

    This team has bad karma. It;s not all Girardi’s fault, but you have to at least wonder.

  24. mike August 16th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    yes this was supposed to be a rebuilding year…FOR OUR PITCHING! not the offense and the guys who are making $20 mil a year. i dont remember being this pissed and embarrassed about a yankees team

  25. PUDGE, THE 08 CURSE August 16th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    rest in pieces


    anyone catch that?

  26. brettisgod August 16th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    I am still confident with this team. Today we lost alot of dead weight and brought on some new talent.

  27. Bob(The Original) August 16th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    The only consolation I got from watching this game was the shot of Cashman.

    You could almost see the acid eating away at his stomach lining.

  28. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 16th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Really why?

    Well it will be interesting to me if we continue to hear the same drivel from them. That’s why.

  29. PUDGE, THE 08 CURSE August 16th, 2008 at 12:15 am


    george brett??

  30. Pathetic Offense August 16th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    This team was dead a long time ago…we just didn’t want to accept it. It’s time to clean house and start with a new core…the run was nice while it lasted. Now beat the Red Sox in the final 6 games and tank the 6 against the Rays.

  31. AD August 16th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Don’t know how Christan gets picked off??!! This after he stumbled btw 1B and 2B in that other game. Dave Roberts he ain’t. After Mo gives up that double, knew he was gonna fail, but he found a really un-Mo way to do it this time. Really depressing. Hate to be a pessimist, but I’m feeling like 1965.

  32. yankeenate August 16th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Good post Pete…was thinking along the same lines. It spite of things i had remained hopeful but tonight was the nail in the coffin. it’s quite clear the Yankees of 2008 can’t do it.

    the run had to end eventually, i had just hoped it wasn’t in my lifetime and certainly didn’t want it to be the last year of Yankee stadium…a sad tribute to the history. there are a few in pinstripes right now that need to go out with the old.

  33. RhapsodyInBlue August 16th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Now the post game interviews with the players.

    “We’re not out of it yet, but we’re running out of time.”

  34. Bob(The Original) August 16th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Nothing has been rebuilt this year.

    All it has been is old overpayed divas cashing their paychecks.

    What has been rebuilt?

    Next year’s gonna be ugly too.

    You can’t retool all these deadweight positions in one off season with no position players worth a crap in your minor league system.

    But we got plenty of young arms recovering form TJ surgery.

  35. j August 16th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    how did the yanks even win one game this year?

  36. YanksFanMan August 16th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    I’d say this is a sinking ship, but I think the ships already sunk

  37. RhapsodyInBlue August 16th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    The Olympics are much better to watch.

  38. yanksfanmc August 16th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    absolute joke.

    I have 3 tickets for this Friday night in Baltimore and 2 loge seats for the wednesday night game vs boston on the 27th. Anyone interested?

  39. BobK55 August 16th, 2008 at 12:18 am

    Was Damon even trying to bunt in the 9th inning? Why did’nt they at least try a hit and run?

  40. E-Man August 16th, 2008 at 12:18 am

    “Now the post game interviews with the players.

    “We’re not out of it yet, but we’re running out of time.””

    “It’s frustrating, we’re playing bad but we have to start playing better and winning games”

  41. River Ave. the land of the lost August 16th, 2008 at 12:18 am

    Man, this is beyond oomprehension.. Serioulsy, you put christian on base for a reason and he gets tagged out at first? Even Giambi doesn’t get caught.. I can’t even watch

  42. Tint August 16th, 2008 at 12:18 am

    19 more days til football season boys and girls

  43. Al from BK August 16th, 2008 at 12:18 am

    I called this complete nose-dive when Joba went down. For those looking for some real sports to watch Jets are on CBS tomorrow, and the Giants are playing a Monday night game.

  44. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 16th, 2008 at 12:19 am

    5-9 so far in August(including tonight). Well done. :evil:

  45. ZMAN7777 August 16th, 2008 at 12:19 am

    Bob — you’re absolutely right. Next year is going to be equally ugly. Anyone still want to laud Cashman as a genius? He’s a joke.

  46. River Ave. the land of the lost August 16th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    At least the olympics are midly entertaining with phelps and all.. other than that, I would have to resort to watching the mets

  47. Al from BK August 16th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    I’m glad I didn’t buy any late season game tix, a few guys I know are trying to get rid of em’ on stubhub.

  48. yankeenate August 16th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    injuries have plagued this team but it isn’t the reason they aren’t making the playoffs. They were within striking distance and have underperformed. I think Damon is the only offensive player who has played up to or at his ability. Each of the other regulars have played well below and it is scary considering the need for quality starting pitching.

  49. Chobba August 16th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    4 runners on base in the 9th and no runs. It’s impressive how they sabotage their games each night.

  50. Brian in 702 August 16th, 2008 at 12:21 am

    you PR for Betemit but then you don’t steal?

    and can someone ANYONE get a hit with RISP!!!!

    the last game at the Stadium will be on Sept. 22

  51. ZMAN7777 August 16th, 2008 at 12:21 am

    I wish fans had the cohones to turn the stadium into a tomb in September. This team is unwatchable.

  52. brettisgod August 16th, 2008 at 12:21 am

    Where can I hear post game interviews?

  53. Tank August 16th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Postgame quotes -

    Girardi – “I thought Andy, Eddy, and Mo threw the ball extremely well.”

    Arod – “Meche was unbelieveable tonight. He was nasty, best I have seen him.”

    Damon – “(while stuttering) This was an embarassing game, we are better than this. The Red Sox are flying. We are running out of time, we know we are capable of getting into the playoffs.”

    Jeter – “Tip your cap to them. They came out swinging early, made some great plays, got good pitching and just played better today.”

  54. Joe D August 16th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Very painfull but I will repeat what I’ve said before: we have to purge ourselves of the Giambis and Abreus who are showing their age and get some grinders. Nady is a start. Christian getting picked off didn’t lose this game. Melky getting sent down was also good. We need to start over. Boston didn’t make the playoffs in 2006. Sometimes the only thing to do is clean house. Pitiful effort tonight.

  55. JC in DC August 16th, 2008 at 12:23 am

    All this AND the Yankees lose out of Gerrit Cole. What a waste of a draft pick. This is really going to help the rebuilding.

  56. Chobba August 16th, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Justian Christian is the anti-Homer Bush.

  57. yankeenate August 16th, 2008 at 12:23 am


    Were those quotes from the post game interview or were you just speculating (I don’t have access to the postgame)

    Regardless, I’m weary of hearing them say the same thing yet play the same. Arod should shut-up talking to the media and girardi should admit ‘we’re terrible and the post-season is out of reach b/c this team can’t put it together’. Even though that isn’t the managerial thing to say even for positive Joe w/ his rose-colored glasses.

  58. Steve August 16th, 2008 at 12:24 am

    What happened to the postgame? The game ended at midnight, I stepped out for a minute, went back at 12:15 and they were replaying the game? Am I missing something?

  59. ZMAN7777 August 16th, 2008 at 12:24 am

    Brett — what do you expect them to say? It’s the same garbage every night. And next year’s team will be older still . . . older, more overpaid, and just as useless in the clutch. The kids from SWB stink; they’re all overrated and overvalued. This is a mess.

  60. ZMAN7777 August 16th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Tank knows the song!

  61. RSM August 16th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    No magic here. Just more of the same mediocrity.

  62. E-Man August 16th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    yankeenate, I was speculating.

    It’s what they say after every loss.

  63. Jorge Tabata August 16th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Man what a terrible day and a terrible season.

    I’m not even sure if CC, Sheets, Tex etc. can fix it, this franchise might just be cursed.

  64. brettisgod August 16th, 2008 at 12:26 am

    I just wanted to hear Brett get interviewed to be honest. I also wanted to hear if Cano was sad about Melky

  65. E-Man August 16th, 2008 at 12:26 am

    “What happened to the postgame? The game ended at midnight, I stepped out for a minute, went back at 12:15 and they were replaying the game? Am I missing something?”

    It was on channel 9 and it only had Joe.

  66. Chobba August 16th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Apparently, that terrible road trip had nothing to do with being on the road.

  67. ZMAN7777 August 16th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Jorge — not cursed; just horrific execution, fat-dumb-and-happy billionaires going through the motions, and clueless executives that have sunk a proud franchise.

  68. Al from BK August 16th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    “Meche was unbelieveable tonight. He was nasty, best I have seen him.”

    Oh boy. The “best player” in baseball cant hit Gil Meche!

  69. JC in DC August 16th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    ZMAN7777 – I don’t agree with you … I don’t think anybody is overrating or overvaluing the players at SWB … the Yankees have absolutely no one to bring up to the majors. They’d have to dip down to AA to find players with major league futures … and there may actually just be one.

  70. Steve August 16th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Thanks E-Man. Forgot the game wasn’t on YES.

  71. pat August 16th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    “Girardi – “I thought Andy, Eddy, and Mo threw the ball extremely well.”

    Not so much. Said, never saw Mo throw a wild pitch, Damon needed to get the bunt down in the 9th, had opportunities but didn’t take advantage of them. Wasn’t throwing bouquets to anyone tonight.

  72. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, Ian Kennedy for Lastings Milledge give me the piece I’ll pull the trigger) August 16th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    I’m not putting the blame on Christian we had multiple chances , multiple…we couldn’t score a runner from 3B until Alex’s sac fly after that …man I’m tired of explaining move Nady into the 5th spot just do that see where it goes.

  73. RSM August 16th, 2008 at 12:29 am

    With all these multi-millionaires, you’d think somebody would buy Christian some decent spikes.

  74. BobK55 August 16th, 2008 at 12:29 am

    I would bet that the Yankees lead the league in “tipping their hats” to the other team.

  75. yankeenate August 16th, 2008 at 12:29 am

    are the Yanks talent scouts really capable of recognizing talent? there hasn’t been anyone who has come up that has helped in any significant way or shown that they might in a year or two.

    the melky-haters clamor for Gardner but he is overmatched. Christian can run…but he can’t get on base; and based on tonight he needs to treat lead-offs like he is playing softball. shelley duncan brings excitement….i wish they would just let him sit in the dugout. Geise has been good

  76. ZMAN7777 August 16th, 2008 at 12:30 am

    JC — could Cashman have overvalued Kennedy and Hughes just a wee bit? And I don’t see Brett Gardner as anything more than a pinch runner. Christian is obviously not even that.

  77. yankeenate August 16th, 2008 at 12:31 am

    Your quotes were spot-on though

  78. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, Ian Kennedy for Lastings Milledge give me the piece I’ll pull the trigger) August 16th, 2008 at 12:31 am

    Oh boy. The “best player” in baseball cant hit Gil Meche!

    Those aren’t official quotes.

  79. lil' m August 16th, 2008 at 12:31 am

    All over but the shouting . . . RISP 4, Yankees 3. Zach Greinke starting for KC tomorrow – rinse and repeat . . .

  80. Neil August 16th, 2008 at 12:31 am

    A-Rod’s at bat in the ninth was a bit ironic. He did enough to not be the goat of the game, but not enough to tie or win the game. The only person I know who could get a hit with runners in scoring position and not record a RBI. But then again he plays for a team that can get three hits in an inning and not score a run.

  81. Al from BK August 16th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    “I would bet that the Yankees lead the league in “tipping their hats” to the other team.”


  82. timmy tacker August 16th, 2008 at 12:32 am




  83. ZMAN7777 August 16th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    Three hits AND a walk, Neil

  84. JC in DC August 16th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Oh .. you mean the Yankee front office. I agree with you there. I think Hughes is still a potential stud, but I’m with you on everyone else. Kennedy, Gardner, Christian, Melky …

  85. yankeenate August 16th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    to me the reason tonight’s game is the dagger is b/c:
    -they just came off a brutal road trip to play at home
    -it is a loss to Kansas City
    -Tampa Bay is losing players to the DL left and right and smoked Texas tonight
    -Boston is losing people to trades and DL and they are beginning to turn things around

  86. Matt - NYY fan in Boston August 16th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    It’s peace, not pieces

  87. Johnny B August 16th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Who’s to blame? I’ll start with Jeter. Jeter has been pouting all year. His manager, Torre, is gone. We” learn in the off season how much that affected him. It flows from him. No fire. I haven’t seen him care much this year. A bunch of rookies on the team they need a captain. Not a pouting half hearted player.

  88. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, Ian Kennedy for Lastings Milledge give me the piece I’ll pull the trigger) August 16th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    And Yorman Rodriguez has officially signed w/ Cincy as has Yonder Alonso

  89. Iceberg? August 16th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    But there are 41 games left, not 14. Mark my words, at some point in the next six weeks they will get within a few games of the wild card and everybody will have hope. This team is inconsistent; they’re not terrible.

    Where did I read that recently…

  90. Al from BK August 16th, 2008 at 12:34 am

    “Oh boy. The “best player” in baseball cant hit Gil Meche!

    Those aren’t official quotes.”

    Ooops I thought those were official, sounds like a typical A-Bomb excuse.

  91. ZMAN7777 August 16th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    Hughes may turn out to be good, but then again injuries may dog him. The whole picture is so unpleasant. I’m in the Bay Area now, so I no longer spend much to see them play (except when they’re in Oakland). Those folks in the tri-state area are going to be pickpocketed big-time next year. Grand larceny at its most flagrant. Disgusting.

  92. CaptainsCorner August 16th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    Getting picked off on a 3-2, yes 3-2 pitch has to be the most pathetic thing ever. Damon bunting made absolutely no sense. He is one of the best hitters on the team right now, why are you taking the bat out of his hand?!?!! Christian was brought in to steal…if Betemit was on 1st then I can see bunting, but with someone as fast as Christian is why aren’t you taking advantage of his speed?! And he never even stole.

    Another thing that killed them in the game was 1st and 2nd no one out and not asking Gardner to bunt. It is obvious so far that he is completely over matched. Breaking pitches which he saw in every at bat..he has no idea idea how to hit them. Girardi makes VERY weird decisions.

  93. RSM August 16th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Seriously, this is the beginning of the next era for the Yankees. Cash and Girardi will build a better team over the next two years. There just isn’t much that can be done until they get out of some of these bad contracts, but the groundwork has been laid. 2008-2009 are transition years. 2010 is the year to watch. That’s when I’ll give my judgement on Cashman.

  94. yankeenate August 16th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    I don’t think they should re-sign Abreu or Giambi for obvious reasons. I’m leaning more to not re-signing Mussina either even though he has had an incredible year. I think Pettite could possibly have a better year next year. This rotation would be nice

    It also seems clear we need a new set-up man as well.

  95. RalphieD August 16th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    as we all know, its come down to the point in the season where the yanks have to put together a great stretch of baseball…like a nice 15-5 stretch…can these yankees do that? yes…will they? looks doubtful but ANYTHING can happen….did anybody think the mets would collapse 7 up with 17 to play…did anybody think the rox would go on the unbelievable tear they did…i still have some faith and until its a for sure there out, i still hope…

  96. ZMAN7777 August 16th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    It’s a play on words. They aren’t a team — just a collection of mismatched pieces. Pete has its right.

  97. ZMAN7777 August 16th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    I wouldn’t give Cashman a day past October 1. He can bring Pavano, Igawa, Kennedy, Giambi, and the ghosts of Farnsworth, Hawkins, Kevin Brown, Wright, etc., etc. with him.

  98. Bombshell August 16th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    We’ve seen this before in recent years. They look like they are buried and then they put together a crazy run and make it to October. They find their offensive gears, get shutdown pitching from the top of the staff and the bullpen settles in. They play with more fire, with a sense of purpose. It always happens. Except this year. This year is different. They have yet to show anything…ANYTHING. One good winning streak. One. That’s it. Take that out and its 3 under .500. They’re cooked. They have been for a long time. People keep waiting for the change…waiting…waiting. Has not come, and now it is too late. All good things come to an end eventually. We just hope that with our postseason streak gone, we pull it together like the 2007 Red Sox did. I’ll take a 4th place finish in 2008 for a season like theirs in ’09 anyday.

  99. yankeenate August 16th, 2008 at 12:42 am


    as much as i would love for that to happen, i don’t think we can hope for something like that here. this is the American league where teams are good. As pitiful as the Yankees are right now, they would still have a legit shot in the NL and all of us agree that they don’t deserve to be in the playoffs even though we fans want nothing less than that

  100. ZMAN7777 August 16th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Right on, Nate. This team may not even hold off Toronto.

  101. CaptainsCorner August 16th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    This team can’t even win 1 out of every 4 games. There is no way they are going to go at least 30-11. They are barely going to be .500 soon.

  102. yankeenate August 16th, 2008 at 12:50 am

    i’ve been looking at the loss column as well and .500 is close. ‘objects in the mirror are closer than they appear’

  103. brettisgod August 16th, 2008 at 12:51 am

    I am SO confused. Why is Joe Giradi mad at Johnny Damon of all people?

  104. BobK55 August 16th, 2008 at 12:52 am

    The topper for this season would be that on the last regular season game at Yankee Stadium they brought Kei Igawa up to start.

  105. DC August 16th, 2008 at 1:04 am

    Will we finish in 3rd of 4th place? don’t know what happened the last few weeks but who is to blame? Girardi? He can’t make Giambi and ARod hit when there are men on. They look so uninspired. I really can’t figure this out.

  106. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 16th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    It’s over. They need to spend some serious dough this offseason, bring in a Sabathia. I still have faith in the farm system, but what this season has taught us is that if we want to retool and win at the same time, we need to have backup options. We don’t need to throw money at 3-4 type starters; that’s a role that can be filled by a Hughes rather than a Pavano.

    We should explore trade possibilities too. We’ve got the pitching depth to make more Nady-type moves to make us younger, cheaper, and more versatile. There’s only so many rotation spots we can leave open to young kids.

    I think we should bring back both Pettitte and Mussina. We need that stability.

  107. No August 16th, 2008 at 1:15 am

    Melky was sent down for Gardner? Really? F this team.

  108. Matt August 16th, 2008 at 1:16 am

    The season is over, it has been since they tanked the first half of that road trip. But what’s more disgraceful is the way this team is so complacent. They’re so afraid to upset the “status quo” because it might insult a few guys? Give me a break.

    Girardi should be fired. Now. And don’t give me the injury or player nonsense. He has made so many managerial blunders, and obvious ones, that he has earned his ticket back home by now. At least turn this team into a spoiler team that cares, not a bunch of overpaid millionaires who will tank the season.

    The 9th inning was inexcusable, but it wasn’t all Christian’s fault. Why is he not running? Why is Damon being made to bunt? Very questionable all around. It makes no sense to have Damon bunt UNLESS Christian steals 2nd base. He did not steal second base, even though he had GREAT leads almost every pitch. Why? Girardi had a stop sign up so Damon, the league’s leading hitter, could bunt. BRILLIANT JOE. Then he got picked off, ironically after no steal OR bunt went down. And why would you have him bunt in a 2-1 count or something like that? Wow.

    This game was a disgrace, but then again, this team is a disgrace. They are disgracing the franchise and the stadium in its final year. I hope they’re happy with their millions, because they will go down in history as a bunch of losers who had no heart in an important season in the franchise’s history.

    What scares me the most though is that this team could be this way for years. How are they going to all of a sudden learn how to hit with RISP? It’s mental now, they’re shot. They don’t believe they can, and they don’t. Unless you overhaul this team a bit, what’s to say they aren’t just another 85-90 win team again next year?

    This front office needs to step in and stop putting up with the nonsense and work for the good of the franchise whether they have to be “loyal” or not in the process. If they continue to sit around complacent to the status quo, they will be nothing more than a decent, not great team for the next 10 years, and that will not even get them to the playoffs.

  109. Johnathan August 16th, 2008 at 1:27 am

    I am so sick of watching these players Cashman calls Yankees.

    You got Fred Flinstone hacking with his eyes closed, waddling his $22 Million dollar butt out to first base.

    Mr. Bobby “I cant ever get dirty or dive for a ball” Abreu dogging it every game. What a joke.

    And of course Mr. “It’s all about me” Rodriguez whos not man enough to step it up after a 10 yr. 250+ mill deal. Are you kidding me? We’re not even in the second year and this deal looks like one of the stupidest moves ever made. Nice going Cashman, sign the biggest cancer in the locker room till he’s 43.

  110. Jettman August 16th, 2008 at 1:28 am

    It’s really a weird feeling for me. I’ve been a Yankee fan since 1995 (when I was 5 years old and learned about baseball). The Yankees have been my life ever since. When I was 11 and the Yankees lost the first World Series in 4 years, I turned to my dad and asked, “Dad, does this mean that the Yankees aren’t the best team anymore?” This August feels eerily like that…
    I’ve never followed a Yankees team that didn’t play in October . That’s just who they were for me. It’s a completely new feeling.
    At least I have the Knicks to give me some perspective.

  111. george August 16th, 2008 at 1:28 am

    there’s a quarter of the season left. a team with these players can bounce back from a mid-August loss and go 29-11.

  112. Matt August 16th, 2008 at 1:36 am

    29-11 is not good enough to overtake Boston. Boston can play 22-18, barely over .500, and still tie us for the wild card lead. They aren’t going to do that playing at home all those games, because unlike us, they don’t lose to mediocre teams like KC 3/5 times at home.

    The team is done. Just give it a rest. They don’t have the heart to go 29-11. In fact, they probably need to do better than that to make it. Let’s try 31-9. That’s a .760 or so winning percentage, and what they would need to make it if Boston played 24-16, which is a .600 winning percentage. About reasonable considering their schedule at the end.

  113. NongEyeJon August 16th, 2008 at 1:38 am


    Your optimism is welcome…yet entirely too unrealistic. This team is actually awful right now. Downright pitiful and any other negative word that can be found.

  114. frankie d August 16th, 2008 at 1:41 am

    In defense of Christian, that was a damn nice pick off move based on the element of surprise and timing. I’ve seen Soria pick off other people with that move. Still no excuse though. The team as a whole just blows.

  115. raul August 16th, 2008 at 1:42 am

    Well obviously these mix of players aren’t doing it. Why stick it out with these old farts when we could be giving young players valuable PT. Giradi does not deserve this blame, the blame falls strictly on Cashman, he’s the one who acquired all these players, all Giradi can do is play the cards he’s been dealt.

    Bench- Giambi, Abreu, A-rod, Damon

    Bring up- Miranda, Jackson, Carson, Melancon, Coke, Hughes, Cervelli, Vehionacci

    I’m going to my final game on Sunday. And I will be booing A-rod mercilessly, as will the rest of the fans, he is a disgrace to this team and this city. We deserve better than this.

  116. Mark McCray August 16th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    ewww…disgusting…sending down melky and releasing sexson really made the offense boom!!!!

  117. Mark McCray August 16th, 2008 at 1:52 am

    if i see one more Yankee ground out i am going to puke….WHY IS KEVIN LONG’S HEAD NOT BEING CALLED FOR?

  118. Wangawa August 16th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    Hmmm, what am I going to do with all of my time now that the Yankees aren’t worth watching? Maybe I’ll go out and make some friends, or something…

  119. Bob Merc-The Shift August 16th, 2008 at 2:13 am

    I’ve been watching other games on MLB.TV…the Yankees games get blacked out there…I have the YES Network…but I watch 6 other games on my laptop and tune the Yankees in on radio. I DON’T want to SEE losses like these.I watched the Dodger game against Milwaukee tonight.Even though I’m a Yankee fan for life win or lose…I figured it would be neat to see Joe Torre and root for him instead. The Dodgers have a very interesting team. At least they are fun to watch. The Yankees lately…not so much. If we do get knocked out of the playoffs I guess I’ll pull for Torre in the playoffs if the Dodgers make it. Wouldn’t it be poetic justice if Torre won the World Series? That’s all The Boss would have to see is Selig handing that Trophy to Torre with Mattingly there by his side. I think health-wise it would do George in!

  120. Mark McCray August 16th, 2008 at 2:17 am


  121. Art Vandelay August 16th, 2008 at 2:46 am

    This is just worse and worse. I would like to see Pete and the Yankee Press Corps come up with a reasonable explanation why this team stinks so bad this year. Is it the new manager? Is it the hitting coach? Is it the injuries? Is it Bobby Meacham sending everybody to be out at home? I’ve heard so many explanations. Right at the All Star Break I had a feeling it would be over but I had a glimmer of hope but giving away a game against the Royals, why don’t these guys just stay home and forfeit their games. I think we’re in for a late 1960s and late 1980s version of the Yankees.

  122. Bob Merc-The Shift August 16th, 2008 at 3:07 am

    Arty…I made that exact point your last sentence in your post. There were 2 distinct droughts…in the the 60′s and another in the 80′s…and they averaged out to about 15 years between the 2 of them. Which means we won’t see a title again till around 2015 based on that. I’m 51 now…that will make me 66!!! UGH!

  123. Bob Merc-The Shift August 16th, 2008 at 3:09 am

    *as your last sentence in your post* My bad on the typo above

  124. Hightops August 16th, 2008 at 3:20 am

    Kevin Long has nothing to do with this. He doesn’t go up there and swing the bat. Remember when the Yankees fired the strength and conditioning coach for no reason? They have nearly as many key injuries this year.

    The team is old, they need exciting, new, young talent. Jeter had a great night against the Royals, Abreu did what he’s been doing, A-Rod inherits a million runners on base and is rarely successful (but still decent I guess, not what we paid for but..) Yankees need some new blood, the new Steinbrenners are allowing the process to come true. This isn’t 90′s baseball, talent has to be grown – pure and simple. If our prospects aren’t the right ones, trading them for vets won’t help. Cashman needs to keep stocking the farm with arms and hope someone catches like Joba did, or Wang who came from nowhere.

    Teams have alot of money now, baseball is doing well. A struggling team doesn’t hand out price controlled talent for nothing, you need to have something to get something. I think the Yankees do have talent, scouts around the league would also agree with me. New owners, new age for the Yankees. Time to struggle with prospects in the starting line-up and not squander them for an absolutely worthless veteran.

    The way Free Agency is set-up is similar to football, you can argue that outside of absolutely elite players, you’re getting 30+ year old guys who might be past their better years. If they are anything above average-elite small market teams can afford to keep them. The Yankees big pockets have no reach nowadays.

    Bring on Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, Melacon, Austin Jackson, Brackman, anyone. The notion of buying a team should have died in 2001, but George persisted and Cashman did what he had to do to get those guys the Boss wanted. The Yankees could have used Navarro or Juan Rivera, but nearly everyone else he traded are bums. As for his signings, he’s gotten nearly ever single player available via free agency. Free Agency is just inherently weak.

    Build from within, build to the future. Yankees will now have to become a legit farm system with a GM willing to trade UP for prospects. Add veterans as a means to support a younger staff, not to carry it. Santana is great, he’s unbelievable really, but Yankees aren’t hitting with runners in scoring position. Andy gave them a winning game, Yankees hitting blew it. Imagine what we gave up for Santana, and we’re still be in the same situation. 3 prospects less, Santana is 1 year older and the payroll is helping to finance the rest of the league with the luxury tax.

    The fans who know what is up with the economics of baseball might learn to appreciate this time in Yankee history, the unprecedented success of the franchisee might finally be over, but a whole new generation of players will become fan favorites at the new stadium.

  125. winner11 August 16th, 2008 at 6:57 am

    thank god the olympics are on to divert my attention from this clusterf**k of a year.

  126. Pat Kelly August 16th, 2008 at 7:37 am

    The Yankees spend alot of money. In 2009 it’s that certainly won’t change and hopefully they start spending it people that can perform. Here’s the plan I don’t care how far fetched and crazy it seems. Hopefully this disgrace of a season drive Hank to madness.

    With $70 – $80 million coming off the books here a few decisions on player personel. We need some fiery young players on this team as well sweeping coaching changes and warning to Girardi to step up and be a manager and not a friend and ex-teamate.

    Giambi – see ya, thanks for mustache
    Abreu – goodbye, try a little effort while near the wall
    Melky, Kennedy, and Igawa – Trade them to whoever takes them
    Pettite – I’m tired of this great Yankee crap, good riddance
    Mussina – if finishes strong, keep him on for next year

    Sabathia – no brainer here we need an ace. whatever it takes

    Tex – We need solid defense and offense for the next 8 years

    K-Rod – Mo is slowing down and needs help, convince him to be future closer. Mo just can’t be brought into ties anymore.

    Ichiro – Trade Matsui and prospect to take on the rest of Ichiro’s contract. Matsui only has 1 year left at $13 million and I think this deal makes sense for both teams. Hell make a Japanese special Ichiro for Matsui and Igawa

    Prince Fielder – Here’s the crazy one. This guy is not going to sign long term with Milwaukee and he is destined to be a DH. I loves his swing for Yankee Stadium. You figure out a trade for him in the offseason and make him your DH for the next 10 years. Young and Fiery I don’t care what people say, this guy wants to win.

    Damon – Now with Ichiro’s arrival this makes Damon kind of expendable with having 2 leadoff hitters. Now you can do 1 of 2 things here. Trade Damon who has 1 year left at $13 million for whatever to whoever and have Nady in right, Ichiro in center and Gardner in left. If somehow Jackson is ready move him to center, Ichiro to right and Nady to left. OR you can keep Damon and keep him in left, with Ichiro in center and Nady in right. I think we can figure out a way to utilize 2 leadoff hitters for 1 year.

    So the 2009 lineup is as follows without Damon:

    CF Ichiro
    SS Jeter
    1B Texeira
    3B Arod
    DH Fielder
    RF Nady
    2B Cano
    C Posada
    LF Gardner

    Now with Damon

    CF Ichiro or LF Damon
    SS Jeter
    1B Texeira
    3B Arod
    DH Fielder
    RF Nady
    2B Cano
    C Posada
    LF Damon or CF Ichiro

    You switch them up that you have speed at the top and bottom of the order. Plus after the first inning there is no more leadoff hitter.

    2009 Rotation & Bullpen

    CC Sabathia

    Long Relief:

    Middle Relief:
    Edwar Ramirez
    Jose Veras
    Brian Bruney
    Damaso Marte (resigned and only allowed pitching to lefties)

    Krod (also brought into tie games at home)

    Mariano Rivera

    C Molina
    Any Utility Infielder not named Betemit
    OF Justin Christian (I like his speed) needs to learn
    Any other Utility Player

    So there is your 25 man roster with roughly the same payroll as this year. The only difference is the team is dramatically better. Obviously this is only my opinion. But with the team I have proposed the Defense is much better, the Pitching all around is much better, the offense and more importantly desire to win is much better. This on paper means nothing. But put this on the field and see what happens.

  127. purenyyankee August 16th, 2008 at 7:53 am

    Put a fork in this Gutless, miserable team. In the old days, Christian would have immediately been sent to Scranton. Didn’t hear Jerkoff Joe’s post-game comments. Just curious. In a 1-0 game, with the best bunter in the ORGANIZATION, with a guy hitting .153, on a team that can’t score runs, why wasn’t Gardner bunting??? These bumbling fools always find a way to lose a game. OVERPRICED UNDERACHIEVERS!!! Go G-Men!!

  128. Tomer August 16th, 2008 at 8:09 am

    It is time for Football here in New York my friends.

  129. WORDS OF WISDOM August 16th, 2008 at 8:37 am

    It’s better to rid a team of a player one year too soon than one year too late.
    Let that be a lesson to the New York Yankees.

  130. 86w183 August 16th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    Hey Pat Kelly—-

    This isn’t fantasy baseball my friend. What are the Yankees giving up for Fielder? You don’t address that at all. Ichiro is the ONLY thing the Mariners have in the every day lineup, he’s not getting traded. K-Rod is not going to go form setting the single season record for saves to being a set up guy, that’s just inane.

    And you’re willing to give an every day to Brett Gardner? Have you seen him play? Or oyu’ll have Ichiro or Damon hitting ninth? Amazing!

  131. Yankee2123 August 16th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    The first move the Yankees need to make this offseason is bid Cashman goodbye. After twelve years it’s time for fresh blood at the GM position. I just don’t get the guy. At the end of the nineties he rode on the coatails of Gene Michael, and what he built. After 2001, he basically threw good money after bad on free agents. And made some of the worst trades any team has ever seen. And I believe the moves he made during the 2003 -2004 season led to the Yankees collapse, from which they’ve never recovered their mojo. Now we’re supposed to buy that Cash is this schrewd “Moneyball” type GM, because he won’t deal the Yanks over-rated prospects for one of the best pitchers in the game, because he would cost too much. This is the guy who signed Pavano, Igawa, Randy Johnson, took on Kevin Brown’s contract, signed a steroid abuser Giambi to a seven year deal, and you can’t pay Santana? Who’s he trying to play here?

  132. Yankee2123 August 16th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    And another thing, it’s time to cut ties to the past. The 96-2001 teams were great, but the guys from that team are getting old now. I’m an Andy Pettitte fan, but it’s time for him to ride into the sunset with his defense attorney. Moose I would be very cautious about bringing back. The deal with Posada has already come back to bite them. And that third year for Mo isn’t looking so good right now. They should not overpay Jeter, but they will.

  133. giambishouldbatlast August 16th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    well, maybe if nady would have been behind Arod last night we wouldn’t be looking at a tombstone today on this site.

    Girardi is a horrible manager and was a big mistake.

    How do you keep Giambi in the lineup at the 5 spot when he’s batting .250, which I’m not sure is more than his weight.

    7 gazillion lineup changes, not one of them has been effective.


  134. Yankee2123 August 16th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    I just can’t wait to read the report that the Yankees have paid his buyout, and he’s a FA. I never liked him, and he’s not a good clubhouse presence. I remember in the 2001 division series when he shook down Tejada on the field, and the broadcasters were talking about the Yankees signing him in the off season, and I thought that was exactly what the Yankees didn’t need on their team.

    As for Girardi, he’ll get a pass for this year because of injuries. But I would suspect a shakeup in the coaching staff as a warning shot going into next season.

  135. searay August 16th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    “The Yankees are having a lot of dirt piled on them the last few days, and justifiably so.

    But there are 41 games left, not 14. Mark my words, at some point in the next six weeks they will get within a few games of the wild card and everybody will have hope. This team is inconsistent; they’re not terrible.”

  136. Bostowned August 16th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Pat Kelly your post is never going to happen. First off, K-Rod will only sign to be a closer. Id put my money on him going to Boston where they make him their closer and move Pabelbon back to the rotation. He beats the Yankees with regularity, thats something Boston looks for in players.

    Secondly, Prince Fielder is a decent option but thats not going to happen, at least not next year. I believe we will say good bye to Giambi and welcome in Manny Rameriz as the full time DH and batting clean up. Hes already said he wants to be a Yankee just to stick it to Boston, and we all know that people say that stuff just to drive up their price for other potential teams but I dont believe thats the case this time. Having Manny batting 4th will protect Arod far better then Giambi can and it might instill a little confidence in the guy so he hits with RISP.

    I love your Matsui for Ichiro deal, and being that Seattle is owned by a Japanese business man, its a good chance that it could happen. I believe the trade would be straight up though. However, I dont think it will happen next year with the Yanks still having Damon on the books and he being the one of the very few who are producing.

    I figure Melky will be packaged with someone in a trade deal. Possibly Ian Kennedy, possibly Robby Cano. Either way, look for the Yanks to trade him and get a very good CATCHING prospect in return. One that will mature for the MLB level in a season or two.

    With Giambi gone and Manny being no 1st baseman, who mans first? Sorry Pat but Mark Texiera is going to be an Angel, probably for the rest of his career. Especially when they win the World Series this year (who can beat them?). Jorge Posada will play first. But who will catch? Pudge will be resigned for a 2 year deal with Molina to be his back up. Allowing time for the new catching prospect to get ready for the majors. Sorry Jorge. I think Joe and the Yankees in general have seen what Molina has gotten out of his pitching staff this year in Jorge’s absence. Maybe its not the pitchers but the catcher that has been a problem in recent years.

    I dont like the Yanks burning the bank account up for more allstars to flounder around in the new Yankee stadium, but I seriously believe they will nail down CC Sabathia simply because Hank sees the loss of signing Santana in favor for Ian and Hughes didnt work at all. I also figure CC will be mediocre and hurt half of his first season in pinstripes. Isnt that what ALWAYS happens to teams who sign guys like him? At least in NY it does (Mets included).

    So here’s MY starting line for opening day.

    CF Damon
    SS Jeter
    3B Arod
    DH Manny
    1B Jorge
    LF Matsui
    RF Nady
    C Pudge
    2B Cano/Prospect


    Moose (Resigns for 2 years chasing 300 wins)
    Pettite (resigns for 1 year to play in the new park)
    Hughes/CC Sabathia (if hes signed)

    Long relief
    (Neither will be effective next year)

    Short relief
    Marte (lefty specialist)

    Edwar Rameriz


    Hughes could be moved to the bullpen if Sabathia is signed. He could be seen as long relief/back up starter or possibly be fit into a role as set up man. His nasty curve may work well as a late inning reliever if he can work on getting some more speed on his fastball. Especially with his tendency to get injured, a less demanding role could be in his future and I believe he will prosper in such a position.

    Either way the 2008 season officially ended when Joba went on the DL. I called it immediately. Since he went down the Yanks have won 4 games and lost 6. The 2008 Yankees will be remembered for being the most expensive team of glass jaw allstars that anyone has ever seen. In every game they do exactly what is expected to do. Arod will not drive that run in, Jeter will try but fail to carry the team by himself, Giambi will appear useless, Abreu in another world all of his own, Damon wishing he resigned with Boston, Cano loafing around like hes just dont care, RISP means its time to jump on the first pitch to end the threat, Mo will be brought into a tie game and give up a run and pitchers will pitch well but lose or not be factored into the decision because the team’s offense is atrocious.

    Happy 2009! Ive been looking forward to it since May!

  137. Yankee2123 August 16th, 2008 at 12:27 pm


    Forget Manny, he’s not coming to NY. We already have two LF/ DH types in Matsui & Damon under contract for next year. Plus Jorge will most likely see alot of time at DH. Add to that Manny’s horrible attitude. We already have teo primadonna’s in Jeter & Arod, we don’t need Manny being Manny. Hughes will be traded before going to the pen. Betemit is playing his way to being a non-Yankee next year. I can see Pudge re-upping for a one year deal, while Jorge re-habs. The bench will need major reinforcements this off-season. The pen will remain relatively the same, with Marte’s option most likely being picked up. Moose could get a two year deal, but if that second year is guaranteed and not a team option that Yankee brass are stupid. I can also see Andy coming back for one year, but if he wants 16M, they should say nice knowing you. He should make no more than 12M, and that’s what I would offer Moose. Take it or leave it.

    The Yanks must make a solid offer for CC though, at least in the 120M range. He’s the best FA pitcher out there, is young, and can pitch in the AL. There are no excuses with payroll coming off this year.

  138. buck August 17th, 2008 at 8:58 am

    as a bosox fan i’m sort of disappointed that the sox can’t kick their ass in the post season. but as a baseball fan,the yankees seem to be fallin’ in the same trap they did before. holdin’ on to agin’ big name players too long. theo and the sox front office were right in gettin’ rid of damon,pedro etc. when they did. it sure wasn’t popular at the time but the infusion of youth has helped. pedroia,ellsbury,lowry, and some of the young pitchers are gonna be around for awhile. jeter has no range anymore,giambi is a shell of what he once was etc.

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