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There is a little bit of good news

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 16, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees signed Stanford LHP Jeremy Bleich to a $700,000 bonus according to Baseball America. He was a supplemental first-round pick, 44th overall.

That figure, if correct, is below what a player in that slot would normally get. That suggests to me that Bleich’s elbow injury may require surgery. Why else would a Scott Boras client settle for less than slot? We should find out more tomorrow.

The Yankees also signed 27th round pick Garrison Lassiter, a shortstop, to a $675,000 deal. He was a high school kid who fell because of signability issues.

Gerrit Cole did not sign. The Yankees also passed on second-round pick Scott Bittle, who has shoulder issues. They will receive picks at roughly the same position in the draft next season.

Strange draft for the Yankees. They took a kid who didn’t want to play pro ball with their first pick, an injured kid with their third pick and a potentially injured kid with their second pick. Was Joe “He’s fine” Girardi in charge of medical evaluations?

 
 

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155 Responses to “There is a little bit of good news”

  1. crawdaddie August 16th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Pete,
    There are a lot of disppointed Yankee fans and the Steinbrenners and Cashman have a lot of work to do over the next year in order to change that feeling.

  2. Bob(The Original) August 16th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Woopdeefreakingdoo.

  3. River Ave. the land of the lost August 16th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    The misery continues for this team.. When the disappointed carries over to the draft you know this year is for the books

  4. Bob(The Original) August 16th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    The really good news tonight is that TB won, Minn won and Chicago is winning.

    All I care about now is these guys keeping Boston out.

  5. BobK55 August 16th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    How many pitchers that have injuries have the Yankees drafted the last 2 to 3 years?

  6. Dave D August 16th, 2008 at 12:30 am

    Worst draft ever. I don’t see ONE impact player except maybe Marshall.

    Not one player got more than a million, that shows the lack of quality. Meanwhile, teams like KC and San Fran outspend us.

  7. Mr. Exceptional August 16th, 2008 at 12:30 am

    Cashman is drafting injured pitchers in hopes of getting it out of the way, isn’t it obvious…he’s a genius.

    Now he doesn’t have to sign guys and watch them get injured afterwards. He just drafts the already wounded. This is obviously the new Money Ball.

  8. Jim August 16th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    I believe the Sox more than doubled what the Yanks spent on the draft.

  9. NYY August 16th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    This loss is completely on Girardi.

  10. j August 16th, 2008 at 12:35 am

    i saw postgame comments. nothing special, but he did sort of call damon out

  11. Jorge Tabata August 16th, 2008 at 12:35 am

    Clearly the Yankees put all their eggs in the Gerrit Cole basket. They put themselves in the position where they had to sign him for this draft to even be respectable.

    Without him, this may be the worst draft of any team. And the International signing period was such a joke— Rios even admitted they “spread the wealth” to 3-4 “B” prospects instead of getting an A prospect like Yorman or Inoa.

  12. Al from BK August 16th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    “The really good news tonight is that TB won, Minn won and Chicago is winning.

    All I care about now is these guys keeping Boston out.”

    I agree wholeheartedly.

  13. blackdragon905 August 16th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    this draft was terrible, marshall and lassiter were very good signings, other than that, its been a complete waste, ugh this year has been one to completely forget

  14. j August 16th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    hahaha chan 9 has a RIP yankees. LOL

  15. E-Man August 16th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    I really don’t even care about the drafts. We have the Oakland A’s for that.

  16. blackdragon905 August 16th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    yorman hasn’t signed yet because he wasn’t old enough i believe, do yanks have a chance at still signing him?

  17. j August 16th, 2008 at 12:39 am

    guys 9 just said they will be back later with postgame comments from players.

  18. RalphieD August 16th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    as we all know, its come down to the point in the season where the yanks have to put together a great stretch of baseball…like a nice 15-5 stretch…can these yankees do that? yes…will they? looks doubtful but ANYTHING can happen….did anybody think the mets would collapse 7 up with 17 to play…did anybody think the rox would go on the unbelievable tear they did…i still have some faith and until its a for sure there out, i still hope…

  19. max August 16th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    j-did anyone say anything interesting?

  20. blackdragon905 August 16th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    nevermind yorman just signed with the reds, i read on nyyfans.com

  21. disappointing year August 16th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Let me ask this question is the nyy having financial problems. sign below market players during the july 2nd signing, draft players with questionable desire/health concerns. they have talent in their system but they only just started mining for talent seriously and cannot afford to lose/waste oppertunities like they seem to have done in 2008. obviously we will know in 3 to 4 yrs, but as of now this as been a disappointing year for the organization at all levels (except for nady i believe he will continue to prove his worth).

  22. Dee August 16th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Where is the good news??

  23. brettisgod August 16th, 2008 at 12:44 am

    I dont get channel 9. My channel is playing “the academy” is that the right channel?

  24. vin August 16th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    “I really don’t even care about the drafts. We have the Oakland A’s for that.”

    Very funny.

  25. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, Ian Kennedy for Lastings Milledge give me the piece I’ll pull the trigger) August 16th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    blackdragon he signed

    REDS SIGN PRIZED VENEZUELAN OUTFIELDER

    The Reds have announced the signing of premier Venezuelan CF Yorman Rodriguez. The high profile, 5-tool player turned 16 years old today.

    “Yorman is one of the premier position players in Latin America,” said Reds Senior Director of Scouting Chris Buckley. “In Rodriguez and Juan Duran, we’ve signed 2 of the top players available in that market and consider both to be first-round draft picks. This organization has made great progress in international scouting.”

    Duran, a highly-touted Dominican outfielder also 16 years old, was signed February 27.

    source LIKE I GIVE A F… ANYMORE

  26. bigjf August 16th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Well, they clearly thought Cole was going to sign, and I still say he’s foolish for opting to go to UCLA. But the Yanks will take the pick back and hopefully do well next year in the draft. Not that I’m rooting against the team, but at least the further back we fall, the better positioning we’ll get in the draft. That’s tough to write, but tonight’s loss really hurt deeply on their chances. It’s not over, but there’s not much hope.

  27. j August 16th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    they havent shown it yet. i saw joes postgame and he said what he said all year, except there was a hint of annyoance towards jhonny

  28. Brandon (FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, Ian Kennedy for Lastings Milledge give me the piece I’ll pull the trigger) August 16th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    Alvarez has signed for 6 for a million dollar minor league deal.

  29. j August 16th, 2008 at 12:51 am

    postgame reaction coming within the next few minutes!

  30. Redding August 16th, 2008 at 12:52 am

    … So many questionable/inexplicable decisions that have been made within the past year.

    Really makes you wonder if there is some divide or even collusion inside of the organization. Maybe some of the Carlos Rios’ shenanigans carrying over into other fields.

    We haven’t seen incompetency like this since the 80s. How did we get like this, seemingly overnight?

  31. JC in DC August 16th, 2008 at 12:53 am

    What? Johnny? Did he call out Christian? Mariano?

  32. j August 16th, 2008 at 12:53 am

    postgame comments on now

  33. j August 16th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    joe said ” we should have gotten the bunt down

  34. needawin August 16th, 2008 at 12:55 am

    so pete is gonna put another girardi cheap shot in every post now? and i suppose they’re gonna just keep removing posts like this one that point out what a cheap-shot artist he’s become?

  35. a little on the mad side August 16th, 2008 at 12:55 am

    When the Yankees drafted Cole there was no real indication that he “didn’t want to play pro ball”. You can’t blame the Yankees for taking the best available talent.

    There are certainly high school players who know they are going to college no matter what, and they generally make that very clear and tell teams. Cole didn’t do that.

  36. pat August 16th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Only Christian and Pettitte.

    Christian: Trying to get as much as you can but I was too aggressive

    Pettitte: Tough for all of us. Doesn’t seem like anyone- hitters or pitchers- has it going

  37. David August 16th, 2008 at 12:57 am

    More lack of class from Peter, taking a shot an Girardi any chance he gets.

  38. JC in DC August 16th, 2008 at 12:57 am

    So the Yankees sign only one of their top three picks … great … the Red Sox are just going to keep pulling away …

  39. KING FELIX August 16th, 2008 at 12:58 am

    we are heading into knicks territory quickly…. botched drafts, awful free agent signings, highest payroll with no results, shaky ownership, and a team devoid of leadership, heart, and chemistry.

  40. JC in DC August 16th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    And what’s the deal with drafting injured pitchers? The Yankees really don’t have the luxury of waiting for these kids … it’s not like the starting rotation is overflowing with quality pitchers.

  41. Bombshell August 16th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    King Felix that just made me throw up a little…whenever I think about that pathetic organization I can’t hold it in. Pray to god that we don’t end up like them.

  42. Bronx Jeers August 16th, 2008 at 1:01 am

    So it was a great year all around for the entire organization. Do you ever get the feeling that some people within the Yankee hierarchy are completely clueless?

  43. Tank August 16th, 2008 at 1:01 am

    I miss Gordon Damer on the overnights

  44. disappointing year August 16th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    i believe the yanks are either broke or are heavly involve with the scam regarding IFG signing that is unfolding now. how else can it be explain that the yankees did not sign one of top 3 or 5 IFG july 2nd and now lose out on this stud Yorman Rodriguez to the REDS!!! the nyy got shut out of all talent that were avaible to them whether draft or IFG. I know Cash money will do his best spinning and say that the talent were economically so our minor league will continue succeed with players are nothing more than AAAA players – this is what you do when you are on a tight budget -either spend wisely and wait or go hog wild for CC tex manny and who knows even holliday from col

  45. needawin August 16th, 2008 at 1:03 am

    king felix
    sorry, if the yankees were to lose, oh lets say twice as many games as they will this year, and do that for another 3 years and harrass and fire employees, then they might be somewhere near the level of that hopeless waste of a franchise from manhattan.
    things may be bleak now, but fortunatly, knicks territory is still about 32 floors (and a couple of sub-basements) below the yankees.

  46. Brian C August 16th, 2008 at 1:07 am

    From what I’ve seen on the blogs, no one really even thought that highly of Bleich. He certainly was unimpressive when I saw him pitch. The yankees went on the cheap this year and took bleich because he was a senior with little leverage who they knew they could sign on the cheap.

    The Yankees were outspent by the Red Sox almost 2:1 according to what I read. Outspent by most teams too, and usually outmaneuvered as well.

    I guess the quality of what we have in the Bronx now is so good we can pass on high ceiling arms (not only Bleich, but we got crap in the international signings too).

  47. Bombshell August 16th, 2008 at 1:08 am

    Needawin – 5 worst sports franchises (decision making) IMO:

    Pacers
    ———
    Pirates
    ———
    Bruins
    ———
    Mariners
    ———
    Knicks

  48. CaptainsCorner August 16th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    So Damon hitting .320 had to get the bunt down but Gardner hitting .150 didn’t??!!

  49. sunny615 August 16th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    this year season is pretty much over, the future begins now.

  50. steve August 16th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    bleich is essentially a lefty kennedy— a guy who might touch 90 once in a while and throws all 4 pitches for strikes and “knows how to pitch”.

    unfortunately, we saw how far that got kennedy.

    he was a major reach…. melville is miles better than him and the freakin royals took him instead.

  51. Bronx Jeers August 16th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    Only this team in this year can get 3 hits and a walk in one inning and not score.

  52. Keith August 16th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    Yet another thinly veiled cheap shot at Girardi. Par for the course. We all know you have a vendetta against the man, Pete, but none of us care about what you think. We come here for news and updates on the Yankees, not your twisted opinions of the Yankee coaching staff.

  53. G. Love August 16th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    I think I have to stop watching and coming here.

    It’s getting too painful. I had so much agita watching the game tonight it wasn’t even funny.

    I don’t see them coming back from tonight.

    I think they know it was the nail in the coffin and proof that they have no more runs in them.

    I kept thinking all week they could just rip off a 10 game win streak and get this thing back on track, but it’s definitely not happening.

    We had 4 base runners in the 9th and could not score 1 run. If that’s not a sign that this team is pathetic this season, I don’t know what is.

    It’s a shame to watch the old ball park go out with meaningless games, but that’s what is going to happen.

    September is going to be a wake.

    October we close the casket.

    I really hope all the millions the position players earned this year make them happy. Overpaid bums? I think so. Jeter showed a little something tonight. Would have been nice to see that oh, 2 months ago.

    I keep thinking back to the opening months of the season and all the pollyanna, it’s a long season folks chastising posters like me for being upset about giving away games early on and playing with no sense of urgency.

    This is what happens when you take the first 3 months of the season off. Every game becomes a must win and this team hasn’t had a must win personality for 8 years.

    I’ll be stunned if they win 85 games. It’s going to unravel big time now.

    This is an embarrassment and when Mo uncorked that pitch tonight that was that.

    Everyone should go out and not watch the rest of the weekend.

    We’re getting swept at home by KC. You know it’s going to happen.

  54. sunny615 August 16th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Ah yes, Girardi, the beacon of truth and knowledge. Give it a rest. Not once has Girardi spoken the truth to the media or to the fans. I put as much faith in Girardi’s comments as I do a politician.

  55. CaptainsCorner August 16th, 2008 at 1:14 am

    Yanks must be very frustrated with the Cole situation. Nytimes says that Cole did not even want to hear an offer. So there 1st round pick was a complete waste of time. But the Yanks should of assumed something like that can happen since everyone said Cole was very immature and his dad and not Bora$$ ran the show.

  56. Kill-Schill(ing) August 16th, 2008 at 1:14 am

    He’s knocking Girardi because he’s a mediocre manager and arrogant SOB who has been comtemptuous of the press when he hasn’t been downright insolent and antagonistic toward them.

    If the press is unfair to him, Girardi deserves it. You alienate the reporters who cover you because you act like you’re smarter than they are. Guess what happens when you fail? They take every opportunity to gloat.

    It’s a lesson Girardi better start learning. Or things will get worse for him.

  57. Mr. Exceptional August 16th, 2008 at 1:17 am

    The future…most of Cashman’s vaunted prospects aren’t painting a very good picture of the future. What in God’s name happened. How did Cashman overvalue so many players? Look at Boston, they’re young players are actually panning out, the Yankees, not so much.

    Cashman must go. Girardi must go. All hail our new overlord Hank.

  58. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 16th, 2008 at 1:18 am

    Wow. To top off an immensely disappointing season we get stuck with this draft.

    I don’t even know who to blame anymore. You can’t go to work in the morning planning for everything that can go wrong to go wrong. Nobody can do that.

    Firing Cashman does nothing. There’s nobody to replace him. Taking out anger on guys that made mistakes but are still integral parts of the organization is the kind of thing that ran this organization into the ground in the 1990s. Think Dave Winfield. He was toasted because he committed the unforgivable sin of not being Reggie Jackson. Steinbrenner hired guys to dig up dirt on him.

    We don’t want to go anywhere near there.

    If Hughes comes up and makes a good accounting of himself and Joba pitches well, I’ll have hope for next year. Otherwise this season really can’t be judged as anything but an epic failure. It’s one thing to lose and take steps in the right direction. It’s another to lose and fall backwards onto your arse.

    We’ll have to wait and see. But I want to see some major activity this winter. And a hell of a better effort in the draft next year.

  59. j August 16th, 2008 at 1:19 am

    im afaraid that this season will pave the way for years of medicority which will be called “re-building”

  60. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 16th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    If you want to feel better about the Yankees, go to USSMariner.com. The incompetence there makes the Yankees look incredibly capable by comparison.

  61. needawin August 16th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    he’s killing girardi b/c he’s too chicken-spit to kill the players. girardi has to talk to him and the other media members, the players dont.

  62. Ron (Wants to Be One of Max Kellerman's Much-Maligned Interns) August 16th, 2008 at 1:21 am

    “He’s knocking Girardi because he’s a mediocre manager and arrogant SOB who has been comtemptuous of the press when he hasn’t been downright insolent and antagonistic toward them.

    If the press is unfair to him, Girardi deserves it. You alienate the reporters who cover you because you act like you’re smarter than they are. Guess what happens when you fail? They take every opportunity to gloat.

    It’s a lesson Girardi better start learning. Or things will get worse for him.”

    He’s a second year manager. And boy has he ever shown it.

    This will be a learning experience.

  63. Mr. Exceptional August 16th, 2008 at 1:23 am

    Pete has every right to rip Girardi, the guys a joke.

    Now he finally relizes he needs to put a consistent lineup out every night.

    Hey Joe, this isn’t the Marlins. Put a lineup out there and let them play, when they click they call it chemistry.

    Pete was right when he said we’d miss Joe Torre…so true. These guys wouldn’t just role over for Joe T. They’re rolling over for Girardi.

    I actually now believe Donnie Baseball would have been a better choice. Maybe they’ll fire Girardi and let Cashman walk and we’ll get Donnie and a new GM next year. One can hope.

  64. needawin August 16th, 2008 at 1:27 am

    yeah, sure, the problem is that girardi keeps moving them around. especially the guys who are supposed to carry this offense. damon-jeter-abreu-arod-giambi. those guys bat in the same slot every time (i know they moved them for jeter’s one day absence)

    its the players that are killing this team, not the manager. mcgraw, stengel, torre, sparky freakin anderson, it doesnt matter no manager could win with a team that hits as un-clutch as this team does.

  65. needawin August 16th, 2008 at 1:33 am

    yeah, donnie baseball would have been a great choice, except that he would have had to quit before spring training started.

  66. ITALIANO!!!!! August 16th, 2008 at 1:35 am

    Lol you guys make me laugh who knock Girardi… Its his fault that this offense is absolutly terrivble… That Giambi seems like he cant get a single let alone a long ball.. Alex Rodriguez is the only great hitter in Baseball that cant carry a team or am I wrong about that? Damon had 2 pitches right down the pipe and decided not to lay one down…. Christian take a silly lead off the bag on a 3-2 count…. AND THIS IS GIRARDI’s FAULT? Like I’ve been saying I still think its amazing with the way this Yanks team has been injured and how the offense is that they are where they are…

  67. G. Love August 16th, 2008 at 1:36 am

    They won’t fire Girardi. George doesn’t run the team anymore.

    His son’s don’t appear all that willing to eat guaranteed contracts.

    This is the new Yankees.

    We’re going to show fiscal restraint, charge top dollar and try to trick the fans into believing that the payroll needs to go down in order to win again while we plug in minor leaguers who don’t belong in the show.

    In year 3 of total control, Cashman’s plan has blow up in his face.

    Almost every prospect lost value.

    Almost every player regressed and the draft, the one thing everyone has been patting him on the back for, looks completely mismanaged with us picking an injured guy in the 1st round and a guy who didn’t want to be a major league baseball player yet.

    Add in the injured reliever in the next round and this was a colossal setback.

    Add in we were outbid by the rest of baseball and the A’s and Reds for top international signing free agents and there you have it.

    The new NY Yankees. We have a sound budget and I bet Cashman told the brothers Stein that he would get the payroll down to 150 million next season and keep it there.

    And finally, why would CC want to come to a Yankee team that can’t hit, field and is about to blow up the whole lineup when other teams with better records are willing to throw just as much money at him as us?

    Don’t count your CC before he hatches. If I were him, I’d stay far away from here. The players suck here now.

  68. Pepitone August 16th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    “Yeah, love that Awesome farm system we have. One guy hits 143, the other gets picked off, the pitchers all stink. BUT DO NOT TRADE any of those future HOFers for veteran proven pitchers or players”
    “veteran proven pitchers or players” Hmmmmmm, oh yeah! Pavano, check. Giambi, check. Abreu, check. A-rod, check. Nady, check. Marte, check. Molina, check. Mussina, check. Pettitte, check. Yup, we sure should sign more proven veterans it would have made all the difference in the world this year. Oh, yeah, forgot about Santana. He would have had us in first place by now. Fire Girardi, bring back Torre. Bring back Stottlemeyer and Popeye and Bowa. Everything would just be going swimmingly if we had all our guys back – like 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007…ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Some of the posters here are genuinely certifiable.

  69. myrtlebeachfan August 16th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    If Mo held the tie, we never see Soria!

    He blew another game. I know he’s having an amazing season in save situations and his ERA is low, but damnit, he hasn’t been there when we’ve needed him lately.

  70. a little on the mad side August 16th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    If Cashman goes who will be the new miracle GM to lead the Yankees to amazing places, Dave Littlefield?

    The draft sucks but that’s not just on Cashman. Stuff like playing hardball with Inoa isn’t just him either. It’d be dumb to let him go and hope you find someone half as competent as him–other than this year’s draft my only major issue with Oppenheimer and company is that they are focused way too much on high ceiling arms and they don’t want to let go of any of them.

  71. needawin August 16th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    signing any pitcher to a big money 5+ year contract doesnt work its been proven time and time again. but people who want the quick fix and who cling to the discredited allstar-at-every-position thinking like to come on here and sound like an expert with the easy (and wrong) plan to move forward.

  72. a little on the mad side August 16th, 2008 at 1:41 am

    Also, no ONE hitter carries a team in MLB. If you expect ARod to be the entire offense and think that’s a good plan, you are completely wrong.

  73. Pepitone August 16th, 2008 at 1:43 am

    Gather around boys and girls and I will tell you a little story;

    All great teams have runs, then they have to rebuild.

    Now, repeat after me –

    All great teams have runs, then they have to rebuild.

    That’s it, by Jove, I think they’ve got it!

  74. AZ four August 16th, 2008 at 1:43 am

    It’s pretty simple.

    Get Girardi CC, Tex, Manny, and trade for some gamers next year and Girardi will look like a genius.

    Bring back these same group of underachiving veterans and failed prospects, and Girardi will look like a fool.

    Cashman will determine Girardi’s success or faliure with the Yankees. The minute they didn’t trade for Santana, the minute Girardi was let off the hook. Because that was a clear message that we are not going for it this year and are ok with missing the playoffs. So why is Girardi getting blamed? He is only adhering to the low expectations Hank/Cashman had to begin with. Hank didn’t say WS or bust like his father… his first statement called this year a transition year and urged patience. They knew this run was over.

  75. AY August 16th, 2008 at 1:45 am

    What the hell is the point of playing Gardner at this point? I understand that this year is, for all intents and purposes, over, but Gardner is a disaster. If moving Melky down was done to put the best lineup out there, then Gardner is not the answer. At this point, either bring up Austin Jackson and put him in center, or put Damon out there and try to win some games. 0-4 with 2 Ks and 3 LOB isn’t going to cut it in the bigs, Brett. Cripes. Come on. Pick one direction and go with it. Infuriating.

  76. myrtlebeachfan August 16th, 2008 at 1:48 am

    Gardner simply isn’t a ML quality player right now. Maybe in a year or two. And that is a big maybe. I go to the College that Brett played for. Nobody knows who he is and nobody was ever that impressed by him. Sure, he’s a solid player in AAA. Just not solid enough.

    Send him down and bring up an infielder that can actually play. GOnzalex to give Jeter some time to DH. At least he got some hits.

  77. Pepitone August 16th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Please repeat after me:

    Signing more veterans to huge long term contracts is not the solution, it is the problem.

    Once more:

    Signing more veterans to huge long term contracts is not the solution, it is the problem.

    Now, continue repeating that after every loss and you should be fine.

  78. G. Love August 16th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    I don’t even want to project next season at all. If this season goes the way I see it going, NY will not be an attractive free agent destination for awhile.

    With the loss in value of our prospects, our trade potential is limited unless they trade Hughes/Jackson/Montero/Melancon types that all of you freak out about.

    The winter is going to be ugly and I don’t think it’s going to be the open checkbook we get all the shiny new toy plan some of you think it will be.

    And my biggest criticism of Girardi has been his insistence for months that Giambi is a 5 hitter.

    How many damn times does he need to watch Giambi fail in big game situations to move the guy down a spot or two?

    He’s a 38 year old ex PED user who is a shell of the player he once was. He’s come back nicely and is a useful part, but he’s not the force he was back when he was on the juice.

    Why Nady can’t hit 5 over him, I’ll never know.

    Girardi is as much of a mule in the dugout as Torre was, except Torre seemed to get more out these bums than Girardi is capable of.

    I liked Girardi’s hiring, but all our pre-conceived notions about him as a manager and how the team would play smarter and tougher have been completely disproven.

    He can handle a bullpen better than Torre, but so could you and me.

  79. needawin August 16th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    “It’s pretty simple.

    Get Girardi CC, Tex, Manny, and trade for some gamers

    see how people just think they’re smart by throwing more money at the problem.sign some more ridiculous contracts, get more all-stars thats the idea!

    NO! that exactly how we got into this mess.

  80. stuart August 16th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Did not see the last few innings I had to pick my kids up at the airport but heard sterling on XM..

    3 for 13 with RISp is misleading the arod hit per Sterling was a joke..

    Giambi gets a big hit like every 25 games or so.

    they just stink.. Again did not see it but how can CHrisitan get picked off. He has got caugh stealing twice on 2 huge blunders…

    Mo needs to get some criticism this BS in tie games is a joke.

    AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY LOST FOR THE SAME RESON THEY HAVE LOST ALL SEASON, THE OFFENSE.. THE MIDDLE OF THE ORDER SUCKS, AND THEY NEVER NEVER MAKE A PLAY WEH NIT COUTNS..

    IT is over, this team does not have any guts… I will enjoy the last 40 games knowing I will not have to see giambi and abreu any more after this year…

    the offense is a joke…

  81. myrtlebeachfan August 16th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    By the way, I didn’t mean GONZALEZ lol.

    I meant Nick Green.

    What the heck is the problem with putting Alex at short for a game or two, anyway? /sigh

    This team is a headache. I hate it so much.

  82. AY August 16th, 2008 at 1:53 am

    myrtlebeachfan

    Nick Green is absolutely horrible. Let Cody Ransom play. He’s on the team now, for crying out loud. Nick Green???

  83. AY August 16th, 2008 at 1:55 am

    I can’t wait to see what this roster looks like next year. Melancon setting up Mo, most of the DH’s on the team jettisoned, a couple new SPs, etc. Should be fun.

  84. needawin August 16th, 2008 at 1:55 am

    o and how original was that tombstone on the last post? seems like i might have seen that somewhere before.

    on second thought, no, nobody would be that lame to copy what the post did yesterday….

  85. myrtlebeachfan August 16th, 2008 at 1:57 am

    I’d take ANYONE on the AAA team over Brett Gardner. He’s dismal at the ML level and NEEDS to be in AAA. He can’t develop into a ML player being destroyed by ML pitching. Most of his few hits are lucky dribblers anyway. He has maybe a single solid hit in enough at bats to tell that he’s a poor hitter.

    Needs to hit over .300 in AAA first. Bring Shelley back. At least he can run into one.

  86. j August 16th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    what they need to do next year is have open competitions for all postions except c ss and 3b. anyone who is an incumbent should have to prove thier worth or get shipped through triple a. that should make for a good april/may.

  87. Dave D August 16th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    We need more gamers like Andy Phillips, Doug Mientkeiwictz, Alex Gonzalez, Endy Chavez, Reggie Wiltis etc.

  88. needawin August 16th, 2008 at 2:05 am

    i
    so lemme get this straight if ransom hits better in ST than arod, we send rodriguez down to scranton. ditto for jeter?

    if moose has an era over 5 in his (approx. 15 IP) sping outings, ship him out and replace him with kennedy b/c ian pitched to a 2.58?

    yeah, that would make for a great april/may

  89. j August 16th, 2008 at 2:05 am

    i siad all postions except ss c and 3b

  90. myrtlebeachfan August 16th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    If Baldelli plays well the rest of the season, why not take a chance on him for 2009?

    The guy was once predicted to be one of the best players of all time. Sure, he has a fatigue disorder, but they say much of that is behind him.

    He’s from my hometown in Red Sox land, but I think he’d sign with us.

    Also – Pat Burrell would be a good snag if the price was right. Not to mention Aj Burnett’s stuff is pretty nasty. There are way too many pitchers out there next year. I doubt they cost as much as the last time around.

  91. stuart August 16th, 2008 at 2:10 am

    Burrell cannot move, no thanks.. Baldelli yea he is not a injury risk, NO THANK YOU…

  92. needawin August 16th, 2008 at 2:13 am

    baldelli’s price should be low enough that it would be pretty low-risk, but i live in philly and i see enough of burell to know they should stay clear of him.

  93. Jose August 16th, 2008 at 2:14 am

    Cashman has his work cut out for him this offseason. The solutions are not in the farm or solely out on the FA market. We have to be very aggressive in the trade market.

    Basically, he has to blow up this 2004-present core and figure out what type of team he wants to assemble.

    I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Cashman actually walks away and doesn’t want to assume the challenge of rebuilding this team because it is not an enviable job at all.

  94. needawin August 16th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    i think this franchise took a big turn in the wrong direction when we traded for arod. i’m not blaming everything on him, i just think it was a bad contract (the current one is worse) and the money would have been much better spent shoring up 3 positions instead of covering one.

  95. YankeesTech August 16th, 2008 at 2:18 am

    I told you guys not to watch the game…I will only watch games in which Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain for that matter pitch in.

  96. YankeesTech August 16th, 2008 at 2:20 am

    It feels refreshing once you dis attach yourself from the team emotionally. Nothing is invested so when you read about a lost on the blog you don’t get that bad feeling that ruins your whole day.

  97. needawin August 16th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    yeah tech, it is much easier to be a fair weather fan, thats why so many like you do it.

  98. stuart August 16th, 2008 at 2:27 am

    They need matsui ASAP.. He needs to come up on Monday.. He will have 4 games under his belt, based on the circumstances that is all he can have too damn bad…

  99. MoBoy(aka McLovin) August 16th, 2008 at 2:27 am

    Good thing I saw the Dark Knight again in IMAX.I rather watch Kazaam with Shaq then Yankees games.Now that Mo can’t pitch everybody but Mussina in this team has played well below what there worth.

    And even though fans here want to get younger.They will still say bring back both Mussina and Pettitte.And would want to put Joba and Hughes to start the season.

  100. needawin August 16th, 2008 at 2:29 am

    damon
    jeter
    nady
    matsui
    arod
    abrue
    cano
    irod
    giambi

  101. skeptic August 16th, 2008 at 2:33 am

    real fans dont dis-attach (the dont detach either!)

  102. E-Man August 16th, 2008 at 2:37 am

    “They need matsui ASAP.. He needs to come up on Monday.. He will have 4 games under his belt, based on the circumstances that is all he can have too damn bad…”

    Great thinking. He can get his outs up here instead while trying to get his timing back.

    Just what we need.

    another out.

    Let him get 100% or he’s useless.

  103. YankeesTech August 16th, 2008 at 2:38 am

    Don’t call me a fair weather fan please, I have been watching this team since 1995.. It’s very hard for me to watch this team lose. Fair weather fans come and go… I don’t know how that makes me a fair weather fan. I will be watching them next year and in some games this year when Hughes and Moose pitch…. I probably won’t even watch the playoffs and I don’t have any interest in rooting for anyone else in the playoffs.

    I hope this team keeps losing and losing….Hopefully we can get a good draft pick out of it next season.

  104. ITALIANO!!!!! August 16th, 2008 at 3:34 am

    The yanks in the offseason need to figure out which of their prospects are expandable and make smart trades… A guy like Frank Catalanotto would be ideal for this team. Also a nice option of CF next season then could move to LF when Jackson is ready is Deavid Dejesus. You cannot think of superstar talent if your the Yanks in the offseason. CC Sabathia should be the only high profile player the yankees get by FA.. I think you will see the Yankees trade for an athletic young OF and maybe C if Posada needs to play 1B or trade for a 1B if Posada can catch again…. We will see a different looking Yankees team in 2009…count on that..

  105. a little on the mad side August 16th, 2008 at 3:38 am

    david dejesus isn’t the answer to anything, he misses 40+ games every year and you’d have to give up something significant to get him from the royals because he is signed very cheaply.

  106. NYYankFan August 16th, 2008 at 3:40 am

    “An hour after Melky Cabrera was told he was being demoted to Triple-A, he sat in street clothes Friday at a table in the clubhouse lounge, looking at the ground as Jorge Posada animatedly spoke to him. Ten minutes into their chat, Alex Rodriguez entered the room and joined in the one-sided talk.

    All Cabrera seemed to do was nod his head, taking in their words of encouragement”

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....2097.story

  107. Nick in SF August 16th, 2008 at 3:50 am

    The real lesson here is, don’t let the Tampa Bay Rays punk you in a spring training game, it’ll ruin your whole season.

  108. TKinDC August 16th, 2008 at 6:45 am

    I’m not going to join the knuckledraggers that wished the kid an injury – but the worst thing that happened in the past 24 hours is the failure to sign Cole Gerrit. It doesn’t even sound like he listened to offers – makes zero sense to me.

    You are dead to me Cole! :(

  109. skeptic August 16th, 2008 at 7:17 am

    top round draft picks crash and burn all the time (erik duncan anybody?) and guys who got drafted late become mike piazza. dont get all hung up on this cole kid. the worst thing to happen yesterday was we lost, thats it.

    …unless you’re a bandwagon ‘fan’ hoping they lose (cant wait till they all turncoat and become mets fans)

  110. Rodney August 16th, 2008 at 7:17 am

    Cano is a major problem with this club. Wonder if Cashman (whoever the new GM might be) look to unload him in the offseason and sign someone like Orlando Hudson for 2B?

  111. Jim in CT August 16th, 2008 at 7:52 am

    “We haven’t seen incompetency like this since the 80s. How did we get like this, seemingly overnight?” -Redding

    Answer in two words: Hank Steinbrenner.
    (Or maybe, “George’s Alzheimers”.)

    Yah, yah, Hank speaks fightin’ words that make you feel good as a fan, but he’s just an empty-suit fan who thinks he’s smarter than his GM. Want to see where this is going? Drive a couple hours down I-95 to Baltimore and check out the Orioles under 10+ years of Peter Angelos. Another tool who has spent years and untold millions thinking he can run a major league ballclub.
    The sooner mini-Stein gets run out of town, the better for the Yanks.
    Hank’s a silver-spoon disaster and it looks like this is just starting. Wake up and smell the coffee.

  112. TKinDC August 16th, 2008 at 7:53 am

    Even Melancon blew a game yesterday – I think this means we should fire Meacham ;)

  113. Terry from New Hampshire August 16th, 2008 at 7:56 am

    Mike Hargrove wants to manage again?? Could he be better than Joe G?

  114. 86w183 August 16th, 2008 at 7:59 am

    I think the Yanks are in for a dramatic remaking in 2009 with only Jeter, ARod and maybe Nady 100 % certain to be back (among position players). I am completely in agreement about pursuing CC and Tex and no one else.

    Cano is the wild card in all this. I love his swing and potenital, but his onchalant approach drives me nuts.

    Ease up on the draft… the last two years have been very productive and this year they got quite a few guys who are better than their draft slot… David Adams-2B, DJ Mitchell-RHP, Brett Marshall-RHP, Kyle Higashioka-C, Garrison Lassiter-SS and Nik Turley-LHP.

    I was stunned by the Bittle selection… he’s no better than JB Cox who is a middle guy at best. Cole has a domineering father that changed everything and Bleich is very good when healthy. Not overpowering but a very good pitcher — kindof a lefthanded Kennedy with a clue. In two years we’ll know what they got.

  115. big apple August 16th, 2008 at 8:01 am

    this offseason will be the most important one in 10 years.

    It will define the Yanks for the next 5 years.

  116. TKinDC August 16th, 2008 at 8:10 am

    “kind of a lefthanded Kennedy with a clue.”

    Nice – I think that is pretty accurate – plus when you are a lefty you can bring that kind of stuff and still be effective.

    Did they sign Bittle or no – google is giving me nothing.

  117. skeptic August 16th, 2008 at 8:28 am

    big money 5+ yr contracts for pitcher NEVER work out. this has been proven over and over, yet frustrated yankee fans now clamor to make the same mistake.

  118. SJ44 August 16th, 2008 at 8:50 am

    When you have a season like this, an complete organizational failure from top to bottom, nobody is safe. Nor should they be.

    The draft is Damon Oppenheimer’s baby. That’s his job. He does the background work. He works with the scouts. He does the reports. He tells the GM who they should draft. He tells the GM (who, in turn tells the owners) which guys they should go over slot to sign.

    If its messed up? That’s on him. Its the only job he has in the organization. Its his responsibility.

    He, like everybody else in the organization, can’t take the praise when things go right, and blame others when things go wrong. A problem that has existed for years with the Yankees.

    Oppenheimer did a horrible job with the draft this year. Man up, admit it, and move forward.

    There are some kids, like DJ Mitchell, Marshall, and Lassiter, who are steals, IMO. They could be pretty solid players in a few years. David Adams is a first round talent who dropped because he had a bad year at Virginia. They are working on fixing his swing and he has played very well in Staten Island.

    Cole? Everybody got hosed on that. I’ll be generous and give him a pass on that one.

    Bleich? Considering nobody in the game had him in their Top 75, you can’t miss on that kid.

    If he needs elbow surgery, that’s a miss.

    When you decide you are going to work with Scott Boras on players, whom Oppenheimer loves, you take a risk. Sometimes, that risk offers no reward. Like this year.

    Right now, its pointless to go over the team and what they can do in the off-season. They are playing like they are the worst team in the AL. When you play like that, it always seems hopeless.

    I don’t want to hear about the injuries anymore. Not from their broadcast teams on TV and radio, the print media, or the fans. Yes, they have had injuries. Big deal.

    Every team has had injuries this year.

    Damon, Jeter, Abreu, Arod, Giambi, Nady, and Cano. That’s the first seven guys in the lineup last night and most nights.

    Take a good look at that lineup and compare it to Tampa, Minnesota, Boston, and Chicago. Aside from Boston, you mean to tell me those 7 guys are worse than the lineups the Rays, Twins, and White Sox put out there everyday? Of course it isn’t.

    If I had Hal Steinbrenner’s ear, I would tell him that he needs to hire the best currently unemployed baseball mind (Buck Showalter) IMMEDIATELY to do a complete review of the organization. From top to bottom. From ownership, the GM, scouts, players, managers, coaches, minor league operations, front office executives, etc.

    Pay him whatever he wants, give him the resources to do his job, and tell him his job is to review everybody’s job performance who draws a paycheck that says, “New York Yankees” on it.

    Tell him you want a final report on your desk by November 1. In that report should be an unbiased review of everybody’s job performance this year with recommendations as to what needs to be done to fix what’s broken in this organization.

    Whatever his recommendations are, do it. If he says, you need to completely revamp the scouting department, do it. If he says you need to get rid of certain players, regardless of past performance, do it. If he says you need more help in baseball operations, do it. If he says you need personnel/executive changes, do it.

    In other words, whatever he says you need to do, you do it and you don’t skimp on it from a money standpoint.

    Instead of saying, “We need X number of players, and let’s pay another 400 million for them”, you first have to review your entire organization to see if you have the right people to make the right calls on acquiring players.

    Given what’s transpired at every level of the organization this year, you can’t make that call right now.

    Its a lot more cost effective and a lot more logical instead of throwing more good money away on players who don’t fit what you are trying to do.

    They can’t spend their way out of this mess. They have to THINK their way out of it. They have to make better baseball decisions, not just spend a ton of cash blindly.

    To do so, they need somebody to come in and review the entire organization from top to bottom.

    Buck Showalter is the best man for that job. He knows the Yankees. He knows baseball. He knows NY, and he knows how to do it since he has already done it with the Yankees the last time the team was this putrid.

    Hire him and put him to work. That would be the first step in fixing what’s broken.

  119. murphydog August 16th, 2008 at 8:53 am

    This place has become a looney bin, but I guess that’s what happens on a blog when the team sputters and nose dives.

    Everybody’s looking for a fall guy, and the two favorite targets are Cash and Girardi. Yup, all those runners left in scoring position, that’s Cash and Girardi not swingin’ the bats.

    Then there’s lots of big talk about how bad the draft was. Until about two years ago, nobody even followed the draft and the Yankees farm system was in shambles. Yet everybody’s an expert now on “slot money” and players “falling” because of “signability issues,” how the Yankees screwed up the international signing period and how much better other teams did in acquiring new talent. Spare me.

    Cole is a High School pitcher with a bad attitude. Take the pick you get for him and get a college guy next year. The college guy will likely be ready long before Cole ever would be. And who wants an attitude like Cole’s anyway.

    Let’s talk some sense. As the Moneyballers like to say, the object of the game is to score runs while not making outs. Bottom line: there are about 20 position players on this 25 man team that have taken turns all season long playing like crap when it counts, RISP. If you are not going to perform the No. 1 task of the game up to your abilities, you are going to lose a lot of games and fall out of contention. That’s not on the Manager or the GM. That’s on the players not playing to the back of their baseball card.

    I can’t wait to see Bill James’ take on the amazing incompetence of the 2008 Yankee offense. It’s something that will only make sense from a longer perspective. Maybe it’s the amphetamine ban, maybe it’s giving some players enough rope to hang themselves, maybe it’s old age in a young man’s game, maybe it’s underestimating the degree to which Joe Torre molded this team to his liking, making it hard for Girardi to effectively drive this bus. Yeah, there were big injuries. But no post-mortem on this season is complete without player by player accountability and a reckoning of their pitiful underperformance. There’s enough shame to go around.

  120. murphydog August 16th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    SJ:

    Dark times indeed.

  121. SJ44 August 16th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    Murph,

    Great to have you back! We get some sane perspective in here now!

    Its a rough year all around. Nothing has gone right. That’s why, if I owned the team, I bring in someone from the outside to review everything.

    If you just try to do it yourself, your people inside the organization will always defend their work. Doesn’t make them bad people. It just means they go into self-preservation mode.

    You are correct, it isn’t one person or one decision that has put the Yankees in this spot. Its a multitude of things.

    The important thing is, you can’t repeat the same mistakes again. That’s why I believe its time to go outside the organization for help.

    If Hal Steinbrenner reads this blog, as is rumored, I sincerely hope he thinks about doing that. It would be a positive first step in repairing what’s broken.

  122. 86w183 August 16th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    SJ—- Total agreement on bringing Buck back into the Yankee fold. He does not gert enough credit for his role in laying the foundation of Torre’s success in the late 90′s. the Yankees were the best team in baseball before the ’94 strike. He’s a superb talent evaluator and I’d like his thoughts on all the pitching prospects before determining which ones to trade and which ones to keep.

    Skeptic… you are wrong about big contracts never working out. You’ve heard of Mike Mussina, haven’t you? Greg Maddux signed a couple of big money multi year contracts. Think Arizona regrets signing Randy Johnson back in his prime or Boston Pedro Martinez? I could go on, but the point is made.

    It’s risky, but it can and often has paid off.

  123. black Yankee August 16th, 2008 at 9:07 am

    I have a problem with Girardi calling Damon out on the MY9 post game show last night. Damon has been his best guy, giving his body up, playing hurt. Girardi says nothing about Arods 1 rbi all season in the ninth inning.
    He doesnt say to the press last night that perhaps he had 5 pitches to Damon to steal Christian against a catcher that cannot throw anyone out.
    He says nothing about Canos lackadasical play but he`ll talk about Damon?

  124. sunny615 August 16th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    Mo:
    Yankee Stadium.

    “The way things went for us, anything can happen,” Rivera said. “What are you going to do?”
    ——————————————–
    Oh, I don’t know – pitch well??

    Girardi:
    “We had a ton of opportunities,” Girardi said. “You had opportunities early, you had opportunities late. Because we don’t execute, we don’t win. At some point, you have to start executing on a consistent basis if you want to play in October.”
    ——————————————–
    Just figuring that out Girardi? Idiot.

  125. yankee21 August 16th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    I hope Hank does read these suggestions from SJ and the sober analysis from murphy, they need to be taken to heart and implemented.

    The thing that is strange about the Yankees approach with the draftees this year is how little they apparently pursued the other tough signs once it became clear their #1 pick,Cole, was a punk without an ounce of ethics. Why didnt the Yankees go hard after somebody like Dwyer or some of the other highly regarded picks. Maybe they did we just don’t know, but something is strange here.

    Regarding Cole, everyone can change their mind, but for crying out loud, couldn’t the Yankees have done a better job of interviewing this jerk to get a sense of where is head is hat before committing to him as a #1 pick?? Someone dropped the ball big time there.

    Additionally, maybe the Yankees are reaping what they’ve sown on the international front with having some pig Latin American scouts fired for apparently years of skimming off the latin players signing bonuses,, maybe the Yankees opted to maintain a low profile this year.

  126. SJ44 August 16th, 2008 at 9:22 am

    This isn’t about calling guys out or not calling guys out. We are SO far beyond that now.

    This also isn’t about choosing one fallguy. Its about the TEAM.

    The TEAM has failed. When we talk about this, its about the TEAM. Not Arod, Jeter, Damon, Rivera, whomever. Its all about the TEAM.

    Damon should have gotten the bunt down last night. That’s basic, fundamental baseball. Something, this team just can’t do.

    He’s not “calling Damon out”. He’s stating a fact. Damon himself would say he should have gotten the bunt down.

    Its as if people lie in wake ready to blame Arod for everything that goes wrong with the team. Arod is one component as to what’s wrong with this team.

    He’s FAR from being the only guy or even being the biggest problem on the team.

    He’s just the easiest target for people who are looking for a “bad guy” for this season.

    You want a bad guy for this season? Its 25 players, coaches, manager, GM, scouts, owners, front office executives, etc.

    In other words, EVERYBODY is responsible for this trainwreck of a baseball team.

    Once folks understand its all about the TEAM, that’s step #1 in being able to fix what’s wrong.

  127. jonathan August 16th, 2008 at 9:24 am

    brilliant post sj
    i actually would hire buck as the GM, replacing cashma.

  128. randy l. August 16th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    “If I had Hal Steinbrenner’s ear, I would tell him that he needs to hire the best currently unemployed baseball mind (Buck Showalter) IMMEDIATELY to do a complete review of the organization. From top to bottom. From ownership, the GM, scouts, players, managers, coaches, minor league operations, front office executives, etc.”

    sj-

    this has been my position for years.
    murphydog-
    even though we disagree on cashman ,it’s probably not in the way you think. i think he’s poorly suited to do what sj has proposed , but i think he’s a good organizational baseball executive to have as part of the team. i just don’t want him to be the fearless leader because it’s just not in him.

    i think he’s survived by getting rid of talented people who disagree with him. everyone nodding yes when cashman says yes isn’t necessarily a great thing. lucchino and theo spar in boston. there is a dysfunctional balance there that beats the lockstep agreement of cashman;s yankees.

    the fighting of the tampa faction and the new york brass created ideas and alternatives. yeah, it was messy at times, but that dynamic never missed the playoffs.

    because i’m good friends with him, i’ll never understand cashman firing neil allen after allen singlehandedly gave cashman a 19 game winner who was just a mediocre prospect. last time i talked with neil in the spring, he was coaching a guy named price in the rays organization.

    there is a coaching talent drain in new york because of cashman.

    guys like allen gravitate to the rays and the twins. who wants to work for someone like cashman if he has the final say in an organization?

  129. murphydog August 16th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    SJ:

    Much as I blame the players for woeful underperformance, we need to look at this organization like any other business. Tremendous change has been forced on this organization after years of spiraling, behind the scenes dysfunction, owing to a slow-in-coming transition to new management. When the leader cannot or will not lead, others jump into the power vacuum. Informal, off-the-org chart lines of reporting and execution develop, and too many cooks start spoiling the broth.

    The top management structure of the team appeared to change overnight and built into that change was a three headed senior official. As I understand it from the media, the decisions are made by Hank and Hal, perhaps in consultation with their dad. Regardless of the accuracy of that sketch, in one way or another the power at the top is still sorting itself out and finding their way. This transition seemingly was not slowly ramped up, allowing for seamlessness. With all due respect, it seems more like an emergency plan. But even if we go no further, that is a recipe for a degree of dysfunction and underperformance in any business; it filters down to the street, in this case the players. Add to that a new manager and the effort to regain organizational equilibrium this year must be massive.

    As for your Showalter suggestion, I see good and bad to it. Buck is clearly a great baseball mind and would no doubt bring clarity to the picture with his perspective. But he would be yet another voice added to the chorus trying to sort it self out currently. Does another point of view under these circumstances help or hurt in that the new ownership group may not yet know their own minds? Moreover, if I were in the room and the Showalter idea came up, my vote would be a cautious OK. Buck, for all his good points, was a micromanager, who may still have scores to settle with others in the organization, or who may still want to prove he was right about some things. My concern would be whether Buck’s return as consultant would be be perceived as being about the best interests of the team or about Buck? (The last thing, IMO, that this organization needs right now is a voice that many might regard as polarizing).

    Could Terry Ryan be plucked from semi retirement in the frozen tundra of Minnesota to help manage a Yankee overhaul? Ryan might be seen as more neutral than Buck and he certainly has a stellar track record.

  130. randy l. August 16th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    this little tidbit was interesting to me:
    “Gene Clines is the Dodgers’ roving hitting instructor, and Jeff Pentland was added after he was fired last month by Seattle, along with manager John McLaren. Clubs traditionally employ only one roving hitting nitrator, but Torre said having three will allow the club to try to implement Torre’s hitting philosophy throughout the minor-league system”
    http://www.sbsun.com/sports/ci_9834330

    now that’s interesting. i didn’t know torre had a” hitting philosophy”.
    did long coach differently went when he worked for torre than he does for girardi?
    so does joe torre get some of the credit for yankee hitting in the past?

    this is an example of what i mean by a coaching drain with the yankees. torre it appears had a lot more to do with coaching hitting than was thought. mattingly was clearly on board with torre’s approach.

    keeping torre in the organization would have kept a continuity of the hitting philosophy going. he could have been bumped up to a position of influence in the organization, but he wasn’t. why?

    what has long done by himself? the results aren’t good. he probably should be sent packing or demoted back to the minors bases on results.

  131. black Yankee August 16th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Good poibts SJ good points. However, look at history, and look around the leagues successes. Best players can carry teams during rough times. Yes, the whole team is flawed and all share the blame, however, if the player with the most talent would pick the team up it would help. for the most part he fails in key spots, against mediocre pitching. If he would get a hit at times when the game is on the line that would have certainly helped.
    Its obvious, its a disaster from top to bottom

  132. randy l. August 16th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    “Could Terry Ryan be plucked from semi retirement in the frozen tundra of Minnesota to help manage a Yankee overhaul? Ryan might be seen as more neutral than Buck and he certainly has a stellar track record.”

    that would be too good to be true.

    and hire stan and stu cliburn to be the new yankee third base coach and bullpen coach. they’re presently the twins triple a manager and pitching coach and have worked closely with ryan for years.

    they know the international league players inside and out, and they have taught every player who’s gone through the twins system that is clearly superior to the yankees system.

  133. murphydog August 16th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    randy:

    In writing about the glory years, Torre has portrayed a degree of “only the strong survive” ego warfare rampant in the organization. Torre and Cashman both had to fight for control of their domains. Now Tore is gone and Cashman allegedly holds sway over baseball ops for only a couple of years coming into 2008.

    Creative destruction is a big theme in any organization, the willingness to blow things up when necessary and make good things out of the flying debris. But there has to be a plan, balance and a credible org chart or else there will be no sensible and productive accountability, learning or results.

    With manly fist-fighting there will be creativity and happy accidents and as long as that works, there will be enough glory to go around to cover even the malcontents. It’s when times get tough, however, and results are less than optimal that people go looking for answers and threatening to lop off heads. If the organization is too loosey goosey, IMO, it’s impossible to credibly and objectively assess performance of key positions and make the right decisions going forward. If anything, IMO, the Yankees need to slow down and focus and get their executive priorities right before they do anything else.

    The Rays and the Twins certainly proved the value of a good front office, making water into wine on a tight budget. The Steinbrenner Yankees have never had organizational patience or prudence in abundance. Assuming they choose to have it now, it will take a few seasons for the new order to settle in. You may be right that Cash ultimately isn’t that guy. But if they are paying me for my opinion, I’m saying that more change at the top right now at GM, coupled with Hank and Hal and Girardi, will only retard forward progress. IMO, they have to let the dust settle and give Cash at least one more try as the real GM.

  134. SJ44 August 16th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Many of the Rays minor league coaches and instructors used to work for the Yankees at all different levels of the organization.

    Some were blown out by the Tampa Mafia. Some were blown out by Cashman.

    Many of them landed on their feet with the Rays.

    The Rays are now considered to have the best minor league system in the game. Coincidence? Luck?

    I don’t believe in coincidence and luck.

    You hire good people and let them do their jobs. You lose good people? You have problems.

  135. randy l. August 16th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    on further thought,i think terry ryan would need a young energetic gm that he would oversee because ryan probably has been there done that as a gm.

    being a gm seems a young man’s job in the ever changing baseball landscape. what worked 5 years ago doesn’t necessarily work today so fresh minds are needed in addition to old pros.

  136. black Yankee August 16th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    If you finish last year in and year out you end up getting higher picks. They are pitching loaded with young arms, they have a few leftover players (Hinske and Percevial) two players who nobody would have picked up. I would not suddenly call Tampa Bay brillant.
    They have done a great job of playing the hand they are dealt, and lets not forget the Yanks had Pena and let him go.

  137. murphydog August 16th, 2008 at 10:00 am

    “keeping torre in the organization would have kept a continuity of the hitting philosophy going. he could have been bumped up to a position of influence in the organization, but he wasn’t. why?”

    I don’t think Joe T was looking to be bumped upstairs.

    “what has long done by himself? the results aren’t good. he probably should be sent packing or demoted back to the minors bases on results.”

    But that’s the point: Long doesn’t do anything himself. These guys are professional hitters who have had many hitting coaches over the years but who ultimately get paid a lot of money to swing only at good pitches and execute. If they don’t execute, if they constantly flail at pitches out of the zone (Cano, Melky), that’s on them and no coach can or should be expected to teach such basics at this level. IMO, hitting coaches can only suggest refinements, identify bad habits and offer reminders. They don’t actually teach hitting.

  138. Bronxbyte August 16th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    Putting Buck Showalter on the payroll in an advisory capacity would be a wise move. He’s a younger version of “Stick” Michael. Not intrusive but with enough respect where advice can be heeded.
    The direction of this team eroded back in 2001 when George saw the need to go on a marquee name spree and has steadily declined since then with the yearly bandaid approach.
    This offseason must be the end of such strategy and starting with the Giambi buyout and elimination of underperformers are the first steps in the configuration of well built teams.

  139. puff August 16th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    Tampa Bay is basically run by Gerry Hunsinker- He was the Astros GM and did a nice job with them.

    I would not start saying that the Yankees had great people and dumped them, and they ended up turning Tampa around. Thats a little far fetched
    ITs #1 draft picks and acquiring talent

  140. murphydog August 16th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    “The Rays are now considered to have the best minor league system in the game. Coincidence? Luck?”

    More power to them and maybe it’s no coincidence. But let’s see them maintain it without allowing the organizational dysfunction that existed in pinstripes to creep into the Rays system. If the Rays can use Yankee cast-offs and stay the course, that would really indict the Yankee front office.

    Either way it’s a great story line for SI’s Verducci or some musings by Bill James in his 2008 review and projections for 2009.

  141. disappointing year August 16th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    look at the money, all of a sudden this year they are not spending any, they did not try for any of the top 5 IFA, they had a wild approach to the draft by selecting players that were very questionable instead of selecting those who probably would sign but cost money. I am convince that either the yanks are facing money woes that have not been made public or the powers that be have chosen to go frugal for whatever reason. makes no sense to hit the mgr if the whole organization is under performing.

  142. Yankee Trader August 16th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Coolstandings.com has us at 4.9% chance of making playoffs, down from 7.5% chance before last nights loss.
    40 games left and we’re at 64-58. 28-12 might do it[92-70]. Games left:
    2 KC
    1 Detroit
    3 Seattle
    3 Anaheim
    4 Chicago
    6 Baltimore
    6 Boston
    6 Tampa Bay
    9 Toronto

    Tampa Bay has the pitching, plus the fill-ins at 3rd and LF have produced.
    Boston has enough pitching and hitting.
    Minnesota has enough timely hitting and decent pitching, plus shutdown closer.
    Chicago has pitching and hitting, plus Calos Quentin, possible MVP.
    Yankees have shoddy defense, no timely hitting, recent failures bullpen and closer, and by the time any injured players return we just might well have those 12 more losses that will keep us out of the playoffs.

    Agree with SJ44- that we need a professional consultant to come in and draw up a plan for success. However not sure Buck Showalter has the skills to do this.

  143. Harold August 16th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    Anyone with less than a 1 ERA on one of the best summer teams in the country (Midland Redskins) should have been signed. Here’s hoping we get Monar out of college when we have to pay him 7 figures instead of 6 this year!

  144. randy l. August 16th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    murphydog-

    what about having cashman bumped up like the indians are doing with shapiro into a role higher than the gm role? this would give the continuity you talk about yet infusing fresh blood in the organization.

    i know people think i hate cashman. i don’t . i hate losing to the red sox. if he could stay with the organization in the right role , i think it would be fine. i just don’t want him to be the tsar. baseball in a big market is a big business and a balance of power in an organization might be the best way to go.

    appreciate your thoughts .it’s nice to read someone who’s had a lifetime of experience in organizations. it is more complex than just firing one person.

  145. randy l. August 16th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    on the tampa/yankee castoff coaches issue. didn’t the minor league director and a bunch of people go over there a while ago?

  146. pat August 16th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    black Yankee-
    “Best players can carry teams during rough times.”

    SJ’s team post above is spot on. It’s about team.

    One player can’t carry a team. They might be able to do amazing things for a game or a few days but after that the rest of the team needs to kick in too. That hasn’t happened this year with the Yankees. Team failure.

    Who has the player been for Tampa and the Red Sox this year that have carried the team? I can’t think of 1 who has been amazing but rather many that have been good.

    On the flip side, Josh Hamilton has had a monster year for the Rangers. Are they going to win anything this year?

  147. OldYanksFan August 16th, 2008 at 10:31 am

    “How many pitchers that have injuries have the Yankees drafted the last 2 to 3 years?”
    “Worst draft ever. I don’t see ONE impact player except maybe Marshall.”
    “Cashman is drafting injured pitchers in hopes of getting it out of the way, isn’t it obvious…he’s a genius.”
    ——————————————————–
    You guys are none to bright. We are LUCKY if we have a pick in the mid twenties. How many ‘impact’ players make it that far? All the known studs and even the maybe studs are gone by then. Our only chance of getting an ‘impact’ player is to get players that others avoid for certain reasons.
    1) The may be talented, but are injured. When this is the case, teams will less money will skip this guys. Know why Joba wasn’t picked earlier? BECAUSE HE WAS AN INJURY RISK!
    Basically, Cashman TAKES A CHANCE on these high risk, high reward players…. because we can afford to gamble and get 4 of these guys if ONLY ONE turns out to be a Joba.
    2) Guys that are skipped because it is felt they will ask for too much $$$ to sign.

    Over the last 12 years, we have basically gotten the bottom of the barrel picks. It’s not easy to get talent when you have crappy picks for over a decade. If you guys would like to finish in the bottom 1/3rd of the standings for 5 years, we might get some talent from the draft.

    Otherwise, we need to use our money as leverage. This means more International scouting and talented, but high risk players in the draft. Get it?

    And YES, Cashman’s stategy is Genius. Joba might be a top 5 MLB pitcher. We got him with a forty something pick. Pretty amazing if you ask me.

  148. murphydog August 16th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    randy:

    There’s the macro and micro view.

    On the macro level, there was much change in the organization last year and I’m not sure how much of it was “Plan A” type outcomes. They as an organization should slow down and take stock of where they are and where they want to be and how they will get there before they hit the gas pedal again.

    On the micro, or individual level, Cashman is a valuable player in the organization given his institutional memory and his role in the design of where they are right now. But he, like Torre, has his own professional priorities and he is still very young. Would he accept a kick upstairs or view it as a no confidence vote? Depends on how it was sold, I guess. But he’s no dope and he’d have plenty of opportunities if he decided to leave or was not renewed. But remember, replacing him at GM is tantamount to starting all over again.

    Knowing they had Girardi or Mattingly in the wings made the Torre play easier for the Steinbrenners. Do they Yankees currently have the vision and patience – and perfect candidate – to make a change at GM work or has all this change bought Cash a few more years?

  149. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 16th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    losing sucks.
    It feels like we will never win a game again. :(

  150. Brian C August 16th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    More than talent (CC, Texiera) the yankees need to make sure anyone they acquire is a quality leader in the room (e.g. Cone, Key, O’neill types). It is apparent they lack leadership in the room at the player level.

  151. dave August 16th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    “You alienate the reporters who cover you because you act like you’re smarter than they are. Guess what happens when you fail? They take every opportunity to gloat.”

    He is smarter than the reporters. You’re actually comparing the baseball intellect of a career mlb player/manager with a guy that went to journalism school?

    My god, are you really that stupid?

  152. JohnnyDe August 16th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Brian C, Bleich wasn’t impressive when you watched him pitch? Since I’m assuming you didn’t watch him pitch before the Yankees drafted him, all you saw was the CWS. Did you miss the part where shut down the best offense in college baseball (Florida State). Not impressive? His fastball reached the mid 90s. His curveball looked like a plus pitch.

    Some of you guys need to take a chill pill. This draft hasn’t been a disaster yet. If anything, it takes nearly a half dozen years to even begin to evaluate an MLB draft. Losing Cole sucks, but there was no guarantee that he’d be anything more than minor league fodder.

    So let’s wait and see before declaring that the sky has fallen.

  153. Kill-Schill(ing) August 16th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    “My god, are you really that stupid?”

    When you start Justin Christian over Johhny Damon and Richie Sexon over Giambi; when you develop fetishes for Melky Cabrera and Wilson Betemit; when you persist in sitting your best hitters for inferior platoon players, when the hitters you sit have commensurate stats against both lefties and rightie (like Giambi and Damon), than you court second-guesses.

    Worse, when you as manager won’t deign to justify those decisions, when you snap at reporters who ask them than you act a fool, notwithstanding your native intelligence and you deserve to be portrayed as one by the people who cover you.

    My God, Dave, are you really that stupid?

    When you snap at those reporters for questioning you about it afterward, you

  154. Kill-Schill(ing) August 16th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    “My god, are you really that stupid?”

    When you start Justin Christian over Johhny Damon and Richie Sexon over Giambi; when you develop fetishes for Melky Cabrera and Wilson Betemit; when you persist in sitting your best hitters for inferior platoon players, when the hitters you sit have commensurate stats against both lefties and rightie (like Giambi and Damon), than you court second-guesses.

    Worse, when you as manager won’t deign to justify those decisions, when you snap at reporters who ask them than you act a fool, notwithstanding your native intelligence and you deserve to be portrayed as one by the people who cover you.

    My God, Dave, are you really that stupid?

  155. CK August 16th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Please get rid of Girardi. I understand the players have to take the majority of the responsibility for what has gone on this year, but the unconventional strategic decisions that backfire, lack of fire, and mental lapses and miscues make me absolutely sick to watch this team anymore.


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