Game 126: Yankees at Blue Jays
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- August
- 20
YANKEES (66-59)
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady LF
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Molina C
Pettitte LHP
Andy Pettitte (12-9, 4.30) vs. the Toronto hitters.
David Purcey (2-3, 5.93) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees are 8-14 in their last 22 games. … Toronto can move into a tie for third place in the division with a victory. … The Yankees are 3-9 in their last 12 road games, getting outscored 70-45. …
ROOKIE LEFTY: David Purcey will be making his seventh start in the majors. The 26-year-old was a first-round pick out of Oklahoma in 2004, No. 16 overall. The Yankees drafted him in 17th round in 2003 and didn’t sign.
2,500 ON THE HORIZON: Derek Jeter has 2,495 career hits.
JOHNNY B BAD: Johnny Damon has one hit in his last 21 at-bats. His batting average has fallen from .325 to .311.
HANGING IN THERE: Bobby Abreu is 6 of his last 16 with three RBI.
THEY MEET AGAIN: Pettitte will be starting against Toronto for the 34th time in his career. He is 16-10, 4.10. The big lefty is 11-5, 4.22 at the Rogers Centre.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 5:52 p.m.: For the first time in months, Girardi did not reconfigure the lineup to face a left-hander. “Our lefties have hit lefties,” he said.
Kim Jones asked him whether this would be the lineup for the rest of the season.
“We will try,” Girardi said.
Girardi claims his newfound lineup consistency is due to “having all our guys.” But he had been sitting Giambi against lefties all season and was doing the same with Matsui when he was healthy.
UPDATE, 6:52 p.m.: Brian Cashman said Carl Pavano is “fine” and still in the mix for Saturday.
UPDATE, 7:22 p.m.: Wow, Giambi drove in a run against a lefty. 2-0 lead for Pettitte.
UPDATE, 8:13 p.m.: That’s 203 home runs for Derek Jeter. He passes Bill Dickey on the franchise list and is now tied with Roger Maris for 11th place. He’s 3 for 3 and has 2,498 hits.
UPDATE, 8:18 p.m.: Meanwhile, Pettitte is throwing a one-hitter and has gotten eight groundouts. It’s his tribute to Chien-Ming Wang.
UPDATE, 9:07 p.m.: Why is Giambi wearing yellow sunglasses? Meanwhile, Hideki Matsui just doubled and ran to second like Fred G. Sanford.
That’s an old TV reference for you kids. Google it.
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yawn
lets go yanks!
GO YANKS!
This is going to be a long offseason! hard to believe their won’t be post season baseball one last time in the real Yankee Stadium
Bob(The Original) –
Seriously – what will it take for you to go away?
sigh.
You look at this Yankee lineup on paper, see them going against a pitcher with 5.93 ERA, and say “we’ll score at least 8”.
Then reality slaps you in the face and you’re not surprised when they get shut out.
All you can do is shake your head.
They need this game, and tomorrow too.
gee, I wonder what new and exciting way this team has dreamed up to lose a game and frustrate their fan base….I CAN’T WAIT to sit through another 9 innings of pure torture…..OH, start the game !...start the game !
Come on Bob, somebody has to lead off with the lineup complaints! lol
Seriously though, I agree with you. These guys have packed it in for the season. Its hard to get excited about this group at this point.
Five more road games against teams they can’t beat this year, with the possibility of Victor Zambrano pitching Saturday.
The Yankees start the year talking about how “great” their young arms are and Victor Zambrano or worse, Carl Pavano (if his neck stops becoming “stiff”), may be pitching Late-August games for this team.
Words cannot describe how bad that is.
Giambi earns the 5th spot in the lineup after the golden sombrero, SHOCKER!
Wonder what our record is against lefties that we haven’t seen before….
lefty they’ve never seen before
Giambi batting 5th is as much of a fixture as the GW Bridge.
Why ?
Seeing Giambi batting 5th AGAIN makes this game not even worth watching tonight. Girardi is as clueless as his predecessor, maybe even more.
I think it’s time we play, “what unbeleivable thing will happen to keep them from winning tonight.”
I’m gonna go with being down 4-1 in the 9th, bases loaded, no out and Pudge lines into a game ending triple play.
It’s not as unrealistic as dropping a routine flyball, so…. lol
Not only have we not beaten good pitchers this year, we seem to do worse against rookies.
time to trade Abreau /Giambi and at least get something.
“Jackson and Jesus Montero are the most talented position players in the Yankees system since Derek Jeter. They are that good.
Its also an indication as to how poorly this franchise has done developing their own talent from within. That’s another topic for another day.”
Yes but I think they are improving in that area. The Charleston team is stacked with talent. Romine, Montero, Suttle, Laird, Snyder, Angelini all have nice potential. I also like some of the position players that were drafted this year. Hopefully the trend continues and the Yankees can fill the system with high upside bats.
Another question for you, I’m wondering about Kevin De Leon. He is dominating DSL and he’ll be 18 this october, will he be in Charleston next year? Is his ceiling as high as it was reported last year when he was signed? Lately I’m a bit wary of these guys signed out of Latin America due to the recent reports about shady deals going on down there. Obviously putting up good stats in the DSL isn’t that big a deal so I’m wondering if you’ve heard anything about him?
7-3 Toronto as once again, Cy Purcey will appear tonight and baffle the extrordinary line up.
SJ44 said it correctly, these guys have packed it in.
Regardless of popularity, the Yankees need to look into signing Manny in the offseason.
I am telling you he will rake and not be a problem, just like he is doing in LA.
GO YANKEES!
Hopefully, Giambi will manage to get his bat on the ball today. I can’t take another 4 whiff day.
TWINS WIN! TWINS WIN!
Keep Boston out too!
Off subject, but imo here is what needs to be done with this team for next year….
1. Need to sign Sabathia and Moose. Pettite? I guess we resign him for a year if he wants to come back, but I believe he’ll retire. That gives us a C.C., Wang, Moose, Joba and hopefully Hughes rotation, with alot of good arms in the minors.
2. Plan as if Posada will not be catching most of the games. Try to get a young catcher that bunts and can possibly hit for avg. Plan on Posada, Matsui and Damon splitting all their time at DH and 1B, with games in the OF and C sprinkled in. No need to sign a 1B this year when we have 3 terrible fielders under contract for next year. Do not resign Giambi(duh).
3. Leave Cano alone for another year, see if he bounces back. Still young, it’s not like he’s Rickie Weeks. Leave Jeter and Arod where they are, but make sure to have a young utility IF who can friggin run and field dependably! At some point in the next couple of years, Jeter will need to be moved to 2B, OF or 1B(more likely OF), so plan on looking for a long-term solution at SS.
4. Sign a young veteran OF(or trade for one with minor leaguers) who can start in either RF or LF, leaving Nady with the other spot. Platoon Gardner and Cabrera, but give Gardner a chance to win the job in CF. Do not sign Abreau. Let’s hope Austin Jackson can play at some point in 2009.
5. I kind of like the way the bullpen is shaping up with some of their young pitchers, but jeez don’t leave your best arms in the minors even if they are starters. Use them as relievers in the big-time. Karstens should’ve been a long-reliever all year, if you ask me(and if you asked me in May, I said this).
6. Mo is fine.
7. Cashman knows his talent, resign. Girardi will need a veteran coach with him next year though.
In closing, this team, I think, is still a year away from contending again, but there are little things that can be done in the meantime. After 2009, you adjust some more with Damon and Matsui not taking up space. Then you sign a good 1B. If you can’t get good bats, by all means, at least look at the defense and running ability of your team.
SJ: Could anyone have forseen the injuries?
It’s not just that Joba got hurt OR Wang got hurt OR Hughes underperformed, but it was all three.
I’m betting that the Yankees win this easily.
Now (speaking of being rational here!) there is no really good reason for me to be thinking that. So I guess it’s just a feeling.
Other than Mo, A Rod,Jeter and Joba there is no one under contract in ‘09 that should not be fair game for a trade. The trouble is, none of the culprits are really tradeable.
I still have not given up on Cano. I just cant bring myself to do it. I keep recalling in my mind what an offensive force this kid has been at times in ‘06 and ‘07. He was looking like the old Cano the last trip to Boston. After that, he decided to take a trip on his own to a planet only he knows where.
I LOVE JASON GIAMBI!!!!!!!!
I LOVE GROUNDOUTS TO SHORT RIGHT FIELD!!!!!
LETS GO GIAMBI CLAP-CLAP-CLAPCLAPCLAP)
Honestly, I can’t stand the sight of the schmuck.
It’s not just that Joba got hurt OR Wang got hurt OR Hughes underperformed, but it was all three.
Yes, and the guys filling in have for the most part put the Yanks in position to win games.
It’s the offense.
We’re not getting blown out in many games. We are just losing almost every close game there is because we just can’t hit.
Eric,
Like your points. However, I have concerns about Sabathia being over used by Milwaukee for their short term gain. 130 pitches is alot, especially for a strikeout pitcher.
I would use Cano as the trading piece for a veteran outfielder and sign a 2nd or utility guy to fill in. It would be ok to sacrifice the hitting from Cano for better defense.
But most important, the Yankees need to approach next year as though they have neither Hideki or Posada. If they can contribute, it is a benefit.
“It’s not just that Joba got hurt OR Wang got hurt OR Hughes underperformed, but it was all three.”
True, but our problem hasn’t been pitching. It’s the offense. Losing Matsui and Posada hurt big time, but there is no excuse for the rest of the guys not stepping up and picking up the slack.
Look at TB. Longoria goes down, they insert Aybar in there and don’t miss a beat. We should have been so lucky.
GIDP tandem check
Giambi and Matsuisan’s useless AB checks
no protection for Arod check
Nady in a non RBI spot check
SP they never seen that will dominate them check
Simply Pathetic in CF check
Yup this one will be another loss. Man fu** this sh** I’m going out tonight.
“I would use Cano as the trading piece for a veteran outfielder and sign a 2nd or utility guy to fill in. It would be ok to sacrifice the hitting from Cano for better defense.”
Okay, so we are struggling scoring runs and you want to trade Cano for a utility 2B, who probably won’t be as good a hitter?
I continue to be amazed at how quickly people want to dump Cano. The guy had 97 RBIs last year and 19 dingers. He almost won the batting title the year before that. Yeah, that’s somebody we need to get rid of! Ugh!
Yankee fans pack it in?
From previos thread …......
i think you are forgetting that the Braves traded for Casey Kotchman to be their 1B of the future… but then again, i guess it doesnt really matter what they want.
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To the contrary. I’m well aware of who Kotchman was traded for and it was only a year ago when they traded Saltalamacchia to Texas for Teixeira.
Dangle Cano in front of the Braves and it will get their attention.
In the firs half we placed Damon, A Rod and Matsui on the DL and Jeter took a ball hard off his hand. Injuries could be used as an excuse.
In the second half, there is no injury excuse.
I still think that this team has never recovered from choking in ‘04. They dont respond to pressure very well, that’s for sure.
Eric:
All good ideas but I would try and deal Damon this offseason. He has had a good season and next year will be his walk year so he will be motivated and could be an attractive trade chip, even if the Yanks have to pick up some salary (3 mill the most). Offer arbitration to Abreu,Andy, Moose and Pudge. Do not offer Giambi arbitration unless they have an agreement with him that he reject it. If they can’t sign Tex, take a shot at Manny. If they can get him on a 3 year deal, he’d be worth it. Sure is alot more clutch than Arod.
Why bother?? What a lousy showing the last month by this team. They should all be ashamed. I’m going to watch skeet shooting on CNBC instead. It’ll be less frustrating. They gave up on the season so I have given up on them. Nice way to close the stadium, a bunch of overpaid underachievers. Pete just watch the post game on YES and stay home. You can report as easily, it is always the same. No runs, no clutch hits, no heart.
Rebecca,
I don’t think the Red Sox forsaw Schilling missing the entire year, Buchholz becoming their version of Ian Kennedy, Dice-K missing a month, Hansen bombing, Wakefield pitching hurt all year, Ortiz missing two months, Lowell missing the first month and being hurt again, etc.
Basically, I’m saying the injuries, while significant, aren’t the reason the team is this bad. Its just a bunch “me” guys, many at the end of their careers with the Yankees, having bad years.
As far as the Yankees pitching is concerned, Joba, Horne, Marquez, Wright, Hughes, Kennedy, Betances, Humberto Sanchez, basically every pitching prospect with the exception of Mark Melancon and Zach McAllister, has been on the DL this year.
In other words, somethin’ ain’t right. You can’t say you are “developing” pitching, yet have every pitching prospect you have except two go on the DL during the season.
Its why I say they need somebody to come in from the outside and review the entire organization from top to bottom.
Too many things have gone wrong throughout the organization to just chalk it up to “bad luck”.
I’m waiting for a game with three innings each from Pavano, Igawa, and Ian Kennedy. A Cashman trifecta!
“Yup this one will be another loss. Man fu** this sh** I’m going out tonight.”
Thank you. I think too much time in the sun during extra innings fried your brain.
Laura,
As exasperating as that airhead is,I agree with you about Cano. I think he’s a kid that’s taking a long time to mature and needs a good occasional kick in the rear till he does.
Can anybody remind me why we didn’t sign Beltran? I can’t think straight anymore…
I would use Cano as the trading piece for a veteran outfielder and sign a 2nd or utility guy to fill in. It would be ok to sacrifice the hitting from Cano for better defense.
This Sh** is GENIUS I TELL YOU, GENIUS ! lets just F***in’ older while we’re at it. I CAN’T WAIT TO GET THE NEXT 37 YR. OLD HAS BEEN !
“TWINS WIN! TWINS WIN!”
Things are about to get interesting for the Twins. Tonite they fly to Disneyland to begin a 14 game road trip. They then come home for 6 and are back on the road for 10 more.
That’s 24 of their next 30 on the road.
the trenton thunder and charleston riverdogs are more fun to follow than the yankees.
SJ, last week when I said that Girardi had lost this team, you said it was on the players and not Girardi.
Now you say that the players have packed it in, doesn’t that mean that Girardi has lost the team?
This has to be Girardi’s worst nightmare come true.
Fair weather fans
“If they can’t sign Tex, take a shot at Manny. If they can get him on a 3 year deal, he’d be worth it. Sure is alot more clutch than Arod.”
Here’s another head scratcher. You guys want the Yankees to sign Manny Ramirez, who:
1)Doesn’t run hard out of the box (people here flame A-Rod and Cano for that on a daily basis)
2)Plays a lousy LF
3)Showboats after HRs
4)Has hair down to his elbows
5)Quit on his team on more than one occassion as a ploy to get what he wanted
6)Is a Boras client
7)Is a former Red Sox
8)Assaulted a 65yr old man because he didn’t get what he wanted
Does this guy sound like someone that should be on the Yankees? I didn’t think so.
Okay, so we are struggling scoring runs and you want to trade Cano for a utility 2B, who probably won’t be as good a hitter?
Laura, I did not say trade Cano of a utility player. Re-read my statement. I said trade Cano for an outfielder, preferrable one who can field and hit. There are plenty of them.
I said you can sign a utility player to fill in for a year, unless they can find a 2nd to sign.
Cano has regressed. This is not an off year. His swing has fallen apart and his defense is lacking at times. All together, he still presents the best option to trade that is not from the farm system – assuming we are still giving the farm system a chance to develop and mature. If not, then there is plenty in the farm system they can deplete.
I do not like Texeira. He has a tendency to go through long periods of lackluster hitting. Sound like anyone we know? Or everyone we know? We need hitters who will consistently put the bat on the ball and give good at-bats. Players for whom 100 rbi means @15-20 rbis every month, not 5 this month and 30 the next.
Can anybody remind me why we didn’t sign Beltran? I can’t think straight anymore…
Because Cashman used the $$$ for the the Big USeless.
I actually would trade Hughes before I trade Cano.
Either way, we need to use some of our big chips this off-season to net a young stud position player.
Patrick,
It would make sense for DeLeon to start in Charleston next year. The same for Mesa, who has been a revelation in this season.
As far as how good these guys are? No idea.
You never know about these kids until they get to the states and play everyday.
Once they leave home, you get a better idea about their maturity, work habits, etc.
As much buzz as we heard about Montero last year, it wasn’t until spring training that you saw what the buzz was about.
Hopefully, DeLeon and Mesa, like Montero this season, gives us something to talk about next spring.
It would really be helpful to this organization if they can start developing some position players. The lack of doing so is a big reason they are in the spot they are in right now.
Thank you. I think too much time in the sun during extra innings fried your brain.
Enjoy watching the 35 yr. old plus CF tonight lob a Pennington like ball to the cutoff man…heck maybe this team will score w/ RISP like yesterday w/ the same crap spotted lineup.
Whiff: I avoided Sabathia in my fantasy league this year because he threw 240 innings last year. He seems to be holding up fine, and I’m mired in 7th place, haha…
JohnC: I agree Damon is a good trade chip(as I thought Matsui was this past year), but does Damon have a no-trade clause? I’d like to get Tex, but something tells me he’ll stay in Anaheim. Manny is not my idea of getting younger and limber. Great player, but a headcase as well…
and didn’t cashman pass on reed johnson for ensberg?
“I don’t think the Red Sox forsaw Schilling missing the entire year”
The Red Sox should have. Schilling flunked his physical after a season where he only won 9 games.
Hansen actually pitched as many games last year as this year (38) and was even worse.
The injuies to Ortiz and Lowell have definitely had an impact
“You guys want the Yankees to sign Manny Ramirez, who:”
Laura – please don’t do this. Name some knucklehead on the board who does it but this is a lame tactic that people use which is totally annoying imho.
“Things are about to get interesting for the Twins. Tonite they fly to Disneyland to begin a 14 game road trip. They then come home for 6 and are back on the road for 10 more.
That’s 24 of their next 30 on the road.”
It will be interesting to see how they do. That’s a lot of games to be on the road. This stretch by them would work in our favor…if we could actually win our own games!!
Beltran is another big talent/ big money guy who doesn’t come to play every day, in other words he would have been a perfect fit.
This Sh** is GENIUS I TELL YOU, GENIUS ! lets just F***in’ older while we’re at it. I CAN’T WAIT TO GET THE NEXT 37 YR. OLD HAS BEEN !
Yes tard, veteran = 37yr old.
So does that mean Tori Hunter is not a veteran, he is only 32?
You people need to relax, it is not I am advocating signing Garret Anderson, Gary Matthews Jr., or resigning Damon, Abreu, Matsui (ooops all old aging veterans), Sheffield, etc.
I think we’ll be seeing a lot of Gardner in September, especially if the Yanks remain where they are after the Boston series. At that point, we may be seeing a lot of Christian too.
Mick, how can we be fair weather fans? Wouldn’t fair weather fans be some place else than on Yankees blog talking about the Yankees.
If we are fair weather fans, than what are you…a closet Yankee Fan?
“Enjoy watching the 35 yr. old plus CF tonight lob a Pennington like ball to the cutoff man…”
So you mean he plays like Bernie Baseball in the field? Drink it off friend.
It would really be helpful to this organization if they can start developing some position players. The lack of doing so is a big reason they are in the spot they are in right now
That’s a big reason I’m not hopeful about next year either. They have to go outside the organization to replace 2 OF spots as well as 1B. Not to mention for an arm or two.
Hopefully after this roadtrip, they’ll stop feeling like they have to kepp up the charade of being still in it this year and just stick Gardner out in CF for the rest of the season, and see what he can do witha months worth of reg. playing time.
Clueless Joe 2: Bronx Boogaloo
“Cano has regressed. ”
He’s had one bad season. I don’t know that we can declare him as regressed. I think it’s still too early to give up on this kid. If he’s like this next year, then we’d know for sure, but now, it’s just a one year blip as far as I’m concerned.
At this point I’m rooting for the Yankees to lose. If they can manage a sub-.500 record, they will most likely see their first round draft picks protected and will be able to sign big names like Tex and CC without getting robbed
End the youth movement. This is the lineup next year
Damon CF (35)
Jeter SS (34)
Matsui DH (34)
Arod 3B (33)
Manny RF (36)
Posada C (37)
Nady RF (30)
Orlando Hudson 2B (32)
Pudge/Molina C (36/33)
SJ, Are there outside consultants that would do an overview of the organization or more specifically the parent club…I haven’t heard of such a thing since the days of Sid Thrift…...Good concept though…
Right on, Vader. There’s a 180-degree difference between disgusted fans who see reality and people who abandon ship. Folks here are realists who don’t feel the need to put lipstick on the pig.
ZMAN,
Pavano had his pick of five major clubs who offered him serious contracts. He took less money to come to the Yankees (the Tigers offered him more) and chose us over the Red Sox (who allegedly offered to match the Yankees final offer). It hasn’t worked out. It’s actually been a disaster, but it could just has easily been the Tigers’ $40 million or the Red Sox $40 million. It’s not like Cashman was the only GM in baseball interested in Pavano, or significantly outbid the other interested teams.
Igawa was a gamble. There were a number of reports at the time that some scouts thought his stuff would be great at AAA and was very good in the JPL (AAAA), but would not translate to the Major Leagues. Those scouts were right. But his contract is very affordable (absent the posting fee). If he could be used as a No. 5 starter, his contract would be worth it. Maybe a big NL park, like Petco field, would be the right environment.
Kennedy is more of an Oppenheimer pick than a Cashman pick, and I still think Kennedy will be good. He was terrific last year, in 19 IP, and has only thrown another 39 IP (mostly lousy) this year. Way too early in his career to write him off.
Redding—can we have Satchel Paige on the mound? Or how about David Wells?
No ghosts in the closet… Yankee fan even after I passed on. All you do is bitch not back up your team. Buncha GM wannabe chumps
Drive 4-5
August 20th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Laura,
As exasperating as that airhead is,I agree with you about Cano. I think he’s a kid that’s taking a long time to mature and needs a good occasional kick in the rear till he does.
What is so exasperating about trading Cano? You people need to let go of these players as easily as they leave for more money.
He is the one trading chip the Yankees still have that is not a pitcher named Joba. You honestly think that his defense is so good he is worth keeping to see if he figures out whether he wants to play baseball?
I am all for getting younger but the fact is, the Yankees do not have the personnel ready in their farm system to get younger unless you fans want to sit through a 70 win season.
So you use what you have? Perhaps I should have advocated trading Damon, Abreu, Matsui, Posada, because there IS definately a market for those guys, why else would the Yankees keep them.
Vader,
I still say its on the players.
Too many people may WAY too much about the manager. Jim Leyland and Tony LaRussa are thought by many to be the best managers in the game.
How are their teams doing? The Tigers have actually performed worse than the Yankees this year, despite all of Leyland’s screaming at them.
Has Girardi made some mistakes this year? Yes. Is that the reason they aren’t going to the playoffs? No.
Its on the players to show some pride and find a way to gain some consistency and finish out the season with some class.
How many more times to do we get the “pleasure” of watching Giambi hit into the shift? Or, Bobby Abreu running the team out of innings? Or, Arod and Damon making bonehead plays?
Even Derek Jeter has played as poorly (especially running the bases) as we have ever seen him.
These are veteran players, multiple year all stars, making these mistakes. Some, on a nightly basis.
When you have a veteran team, its up to the veterans to set an example and play the game the right way. If they don’t because Girardi kicks them in the butt instead of hugging them like Torre did, too damn bad.
How did hugging these guys help in the post-season the last 4 years? To the tune of a 4-13 record. That didn’t work with these guys.
Let’s not forget, this team played like horsecrap for the first 60% of the year last season under Torre. They just don’t have Tampa to kick around this year to get some easy wins and some footing in the division.
At some point, the focus needs to be on the players. They are the one’s responsible for this mess.
This board may have it’s share of dopes, but I don’t think you could call anyone here a fairweather fan.
Although it may be better for our stress levels if we were. lol
SJ, do you think that someone like Buck would come in to be an advisor?
Also, if Cash does not come back, who would the organization go for, someone inside it or say someone from a rival team?
Trisha,
I find it interesting that you dropped the phrase about “Arod will begin to hit” from your name tag.
Ben—Rationalize it any way you want. I never want to see any of three again in pinstripes.
A friend of mine who is a die hard White Sox fan said that he doesn’t think the Yankees have any chemistry. I’m not a big believer in chemistry. I think that it looks like you have chemistry when you are winning because everyone is happy and smiling and joking around. The Yankees dugout looks like they are attending a funeral. You’re not going to see a lot of chemistry under those circumstances.
Than IMO, Posada is the general in the clubhouse, because there is no way this team plays the way it has been if he is playing every night.
While we’re at it Luis Castillo would be obtainable he’s another over 30 yrs. of age has been we can go after. Scrap all this sh** if you can’t get into a club w/o being checked for ID the Yankees don’t want you.
You’re right they don’t have any chemistry and that’s why the bats are struggling.
If by chemistry, you’re referring to steroids and HGH.
One thing is for sure it’s a good thing Girardi hasn’t messed with Torre’s lineup of Damon, Jeter, Abreu, Rodriguez. That has been so productive this year and our #4 and 5 hitters are really getting it done with RISP. Plus they can’t get on base at all, I wouldn’t consider a 400 OBP good, so there is absolutely no sense in moving them up in the order. Girardi is an absolutely genius for not fixing what is clearly broken because he learned from Torre to make changes slowly, over the course of a few years you might ease a guy into moving around in the order on or two spots. Certainly wouldn’t want to do anything drastic with the offense performing so well. Thank god we have a two year old lineup.
Jettman I agree.
Everybody needs to root for the following teams to win so they can pass us in the standings-
Houston, Toronto, Arizona, LA Dodgers, Florida, Texas, Detroit.
This way, we can retain our 1st round pick. Sure, it will be painful to finish in 4th place and it will be embarrassing, but we get to keep our pick and get some nice young talent that otherwise may not have been possible AND sign the top FAs.
Z, I don’t want to see Pavano or Igawa in Pinstripes, either. I was just disagreeing with you dumping those three pitchers’ (non)performance on Cash.
Disagree on Kennedy. We may keep him, or we may trade him, but he will be a solid ML pitcher. Not a star, but a solid No. 3 or No. 4. That’s valuable.
I think we all agree on the following:
We can’t hit.
We have a lineup that does not maximize the little talent we have. Girardi should pick a lineup out of a hat- would probably produce better than this lineup.
We need to get younger more athletic players. Our minor league system does not have major league ready position players.
We are stuck with some untradeable contracts.
We are stuck with too many DH type players who don’t field their regular positions well.
According to our poll, there is little likelihood of making the playoffs, and if we do, no chance of advancing past the 1st round.
Some coaches have to go. Some even want Cashman and Girardi fired, but I don’t think that’s the majority.
Everyone wants CC next year, but many concerned about length of contract.
Did i miss anything?
Pretty well captured, Trader.
We need to get younger more athletic players. Our minor league system does not have major league ready position players.
It will never happen because they are always traded at the first sign of struggle.
So for you “Cano is having one bad season”, what is your opinion of Kennedy and Hughes (although Hughes can’t stay healthy long enough to determine much).
But neither has exactly lit it up this year?
“Some coaches have to go. Some even want Cashman and Girardi fired, but I don’t think that’s the majority.”
The only coach that needs to go is Bobby Meacham. And yes, Brandon – I think Kevin Long should stay.
Ben—we’re probably stuck with Kennedy for a while anyway. We couldn’t get a bag of peanuts for him at this stage.
“Disagree on Kennedy. We may keep him, or we may trade him, but he will be a solid ML pitcher. Not a star, but a solid No. 3 or No. 4. That’s valuable.”
If he’s a #3, then he’s on a very bad team. He’s a 4/5 type, probably the latter and only if he gets his head together.
Did i miss anything?
What about endorsing covert action to get rid of A-Rod. By hiring Showalter to manage next year, A-Rod will demand a trade as he hates Bucky and his brand of playing the game the right way.
One thing I don’t understand is that almost every manager will do something to shake up the lineup once in awhile when the team is in a prolonged slump, yet Joe G. puts out the same crap everyday.
At least rearrange those deck chairs on this titanic!
Fredo—Kennedy’s attitude makes him a non-starter for most teams.
And yes, Brandon – I think Kevin Long should stay.
I’d fire him at the drop of a hat.
I would like to see:
Jeter
Damon
A Rod
Abreu
Nady
Matsui
I Rod
Cano
Melky (ok Gardner)
“So for you “Cano is having one bad seasonâ€, what is your opinion of Kennedy and Hughes (although Hughes can’t stay healthy long enough to determine much). But neither has exactly lit it up this year?”
True, but the sample size is different. Cano has had a few years in the bigs where we’ve been able to see him. Hughes and Ego Kennedy, not so much!
I don’t think we should give up on Hughes either (although is inability to stay healthy concerns me). Kennedy should be traded for a bag of balls ASAP; not because of his pitching, but his attitude. He’s not ready for the bigs or for being a Yankee.
Vader,
I don’t know if Buck would do it but, if I was the Steinbrenner’s, I’d ask.
This team needs to look at their entire organization they way they did after George got suspended for the second time. They need to, “go back to the future” to fix what’s broken.
Buck Showalter is a big reason why this organization changed its idiotic ways of doing business. He also got the organization back to obtaining guys who really want to be here and not just because the zeroes increased on their paychecks.
The Yankees don’t have anybody inside the organization to replace Cashman. If he and the Yankees were to part ways, they would have to go outside the organization to find a GM.
Gene Michael is 70 years old. He no longer wants to be a GM and work like a dog everyday. Its a young man’s job right now and if Cashman departs, they will have to go outside the organization and find a guy who fits the profile.
“I’d fire him at the drop of a hat.”
Really, Brandon? I’m so shocked. I mean, it’s not like you’ve ever let it slip that you want him gone. This is such a surprise.
Brandon-
I’m concerned that when rosters expand, and we showcase what we consider our highly touted pitchers, like Melancon, that if they pitch poorly we’ll even have less chips to trade for people like a Matt Kemp or the next Carlos Quentin.
By the way, one of your favorites , Milton Bradley wants to stay in Texas. Lots of teams want Saltalamacchia.
IPK is a solid 4/5 if he gets his act together. But wouldn’t you sign up for a #5 starter with a 4.30 era? If he stopped walking people I sure would.
I agree SJ44 about an outside auditor, just not Buck.
Well, I know one thing, the end of 2008 will be very interesting.
“I’m concerned that when rosters expand, and we showcase what we consider our highly touted pitchers, like Melancon, that if they pitch poorly we’ll even have less chips to trade for people like a Matt Kemp or the next Carlos Quentin.”
Don’t imagine the Yankees would give any thought to trading Melancon. Aside from Hughes, who among the AA/AAA lot that might come up would bring the type of talent you are talking about?
like a Matt Kemp or the next Carlos Quentin
They aren’t getting dealt. Right now I’m in that boat leave Melancon and Joba off the ML mound this year, this team doesn’t deserve it.
“so any suggestions for my list of people with names that are also complete sentences when said out loud?
so far i’ve got:
Tom Waits
Pete Rose
Jeff Wood
Tim Raines
Ross Gload
Chase Utley
Matt Stairs
there’s definately some i forgot over the years.”
Saucy,
Its time to get my mind of this team. Thank you for the off topic question.
How about
Ty Cobb?
Some of you guys need to make an appointment to see a shrink. This seasons failure isnt on just one person. Not Girardi. Not Damon,Matsui,Kennedy,Hughes,Cano,Jete,Arod. But almost all the team. There is only a few players that played to their expectations this year.
It’s going to be the hottest Hot Stove season in memory for the Yankees
If the Yankees don’t make the playoffs this year, does anyone actually see a situation where the Yankees would deal Arod if they got the right players back in return?
I realize who the “right players” might be would be interpreted very differently by various people.
Melancon seems like he will be nasty.
... but we’ve been fooled before.
“Right now I’m in that boat leave Melancon and Joba off the ML mound this year, this team doesn’t deserve it.”
I want to see Joba back, if for no other reason than to build up his innings a little more (provided it can be done safely). As for Melancon, he’s up around 90 innings pitched. I think they let him finish out the SWB postseason run and shut him down.
saucY,
In honor of Operaman, add this one to your list:
Ima Fredo
Glad to see Johnny back in the saddle. But if it doesn’t work out today, See Ya!
“does anyone actually see a situation where the Yankees would deal Arod if they got the right players back in return?”
No. Two reasons:
1) Yanks would have to get A TON back
2) Nobody else is dumb enough to take on that contract.
3) Yes, that includes Minaya who has an established left side of the infield to save him from himself.
Girardi is still sticking with Giambi 5th i see.
“If the Yankees don’t make the playoffs this year, does anyone actually see a situation where the Yankees would deal Arod if they got the right players back in return?”
No way, Ray. That contract is a monster. Can’t see any other team taking that one on. That’s how we ended up with him in the first place!
Plus, I don’t think that we need to move A-Rod. What we need to do is surround him with the right players so that the burden of driving in every Yankee run doesn’t fall on his shoulders.
Damon,Matsui,Kennedy,Hughes,Cano,Jete,Arod. But almost all the team. There is only a few players that played to their expectations this year.
NAME ONE!
Would anyone do this trade:
Quentin for Betances, Kennedy, Suttle, and Marquez
Guillen said he has no “untouchables” and we’d have to give him some level of talent (Betances) for Quentin.
One more for ya Saucy!!
Dan Uggla
“JOHNNY B BAD: Johnny Damon has one hit in his last 21 at-bats. His batting average has fallen from .325 to .311.”
He needs a day off…
Abreu may be the only one who played to expectation.
What has happened to everybody here? Even some of the regulars have become unbearable to read. That’s not normal.
What has changed since 7:00 PM yesterday? We lost another game. All in all that one game isn’t going to change anything. Unless we put together a long winning streak, the season is over. No more waiting. No more personal slumps. If there is no win streak it is over and we wait to rebuild in the offseason.
Did last night’s game determine the season? No way…I don’t think so. If anything, all it did was emphasize what has been wrong with this team the entire year. So why all the obnoxious and crazy posts today?
If anything, try to be funny and make somebody laugh but the cursing and the directing blame towards that guy, or this guy, or those two guys is just ignorant. The blame is on the team from top to bottom.
“NAME ONE!”
Rivera,Damon,Arod.
The last time we gave Damon a day off, we played Justin Christian over him. Remember that?
Jeff NJ- Would like to see that lineup.
Arun- Showalter would be the equivalent of General Patton, and most certainly, with A-Rods fragile psyche, would have him begging to get traded, and begging the players union to allow him to void his current contract to make him more tradeable.
It’s going to be the hottest Hot Stove season in memory for the Yankees
Hot Stove was burning up between the ‘03 and ‘04 seasons (Arod, Vazquez, Kevin Brown, etc.). This one upcoming will carry far more meaning though.
Arun
For all the talk I’ve heard about A-Rod and Buck not getting along, listening to Buck on BBT this year, you would think he was A-Rod’s agent or his mother. He is always lavishing praise on.
Has A-Rod ever said anything negative about Buck?
“Abreu may be the only one who played to expectation.”
Well, sorta. Bobby has not walked as much as he usually does this year. His base stealing has also taken a hit. That being said, when you compare him to everyone else, his numbers are the closest to what they should be. I expect A-Rod to end up short at least 10 HRs and 50 RBI from what he should be doing this year.
“Damon,Matsui,Kennedy,Hughes,Cano,Jete,Arod. But almost all the team. There is only a few players that played to their expectations this year.
NAME ONE!”
Abreu is on pace for his normal .300 20 hr 100 rbi so i guess he lived up to expectations. You have to say damon is too i mean did you expect him to hit .300 this yr?
From mlb trade rumors:
Eddie Bajek over at Detroit Tigers Thoughts has successfully reverse-engineered the Elias Type A/Type B formula. Today he assigns statuses to the American League catchers. Jason Varitek clings to Type A, while Ivan Rodriguez has slipped to Type B. Read more about how free agent compensation works here.
Matt:
Guillen doesn’t run the White Sox organization, so who he deems untouchable or otherwise probably doesn’t mean much.
As for Quentin, he’s a 26 year old MVP candidate who is under the team’s control for 4 years past this one. Kenny Williams ain’t moving him. I’d also assume Danks and Alexei Ramirez are in the same boat.
Hey Yankee Fans:
Here is my scouting report on Purcey:
Was the first round draft pick of the Jays in 2004. He looked like he was going to be a bust until he absolutely dominated with 117 innings, 97 hits, 34 walks, and 121 strikeouts in AA this year. Fomer Blue Jay front office guru and now ESPN reporter Keith Law is not too fond of Purcey nor his abilities. However it was recently reported that he had Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) and may have contributed to his late blooming. He now takes medication and fights his mental lapses during games.
He throws hard but has had no confidence in his hook since getting into the big leagues. Despite his great control in the minors he has not yet shown this in the majors. Must be a confidence problem. The Yankees hitters are usually very patient and that will probably work for them in this game.
The battle for third place continues!
That should be AAA.
” Jason Varitek clings to Type A, while Ivan Rodriguez has slipped to Type B.”
Varietk is batting .218 and he’s a Type A free agent? What is the world coming to?
Quentin for Betances, Kennedy, Suttle, and Marquez
Why the f*** am I dealing Betances ?
“The Yankees hitters are usually very patient and that will probably work for them in this game.”
Someone hasn’t been watching the Yankees lately.
Trade Nady, Jeter, Joba, and A-Rod for prospects and just rebuild…
sos, thanks for reviving that post. i thought it went unread… but if anyone read it, i’d guess it’d be you!
“I expect A-Rod to end up short at least 10 HRs and 50 RBI from what he should be doing this year.”
Even after you take into account that he will have missed about 20 games?
Talk about packing it in? I think the Athletic have won 5 games since the All-Star game.
I’ll start my prayers right now so we can score more than 2 runs tonight. It’ll be tough since we’re facing a rookie lefty that nobody has seen before…
Well Chicago would need some talent in return. We still have Brackman, Vizcaino, McAllister, and tons of other pitchers
Pinstripes: Why would we trade Joba if he is part of the “youth movement”? Also why Jeter? He’s a career Yankee and will always be. As for A-Rod, who would take his huge contract?
“Why the f*** am I dealing Betances ?”
To get Quentin. White Sox wouldn’t get near it though so it’s a moot point.
“What has happened to everybody here? Even some of the regulars have become unbearable to read. That’s not normal.”
This season hasn’t been normal either. I posted before that I’ve just about given up so if my posts reflect that state of mind and that bothers you, you’ll just have to skip ‘em. I’d love to be all positive and hopeful, but I’m spent. Being a fan this year has been exhausting. I just don’t have much left in the tank.
I’ll still watch and I’ll still cheer. That’s all I can promise for now.
Talk about packing it in? I think the Athletic have won 5 games since the All-Star game.
I’d get Billy Beane on the phone and offer Coke and Kennedy for that Carlos Gonzalez or Ryan Sweeney
“Varietk is batting .218 and he’s a Type A free agent? What is the world coming to?”
2 years of stats are considered when arriving at this. Also worth noting that OBP is among the stats considered. Pudge’s .290 OBP last year doesn’t help.
“I expect A-Rod to end up short at least 10 HRs and 50 RBI from what he should be doing this year.â€
Even after you take into account that he will have missed about 20 games?”
Yes. And that’s part of the reason that he’s off his usual 40+ HRs/125 RBI season pace. The other part is that he’s pressing up at the plate and is taking bad swings.
To get Quentin. White Sox wouldn’t get near it though so it’s a moot point.
And you want to deal Betances for him ? so when he becomes a pitching stud ..you know what let me stop.
“I’d get Billy Beane on the phone and offer Coke and Kennedy for that Carlos Gonzalez or Ryan Sweeney”
I’d bet he’d do it for Sweeney.
“And you want to deal Betances for him ? so when he becomes a pitching stud ..you know what let me stop.”
Wasn’t my idea. I was just replying to someone who suggested it. Whote Sox wouldn’t do it anyway and the Yanks probably wouldn’t either.
I’d take Sweeney in a heartbeat for Coke and Kennedy. I’d even be willing to sweeten the deal.
What is Miranda’s status in AAA? Maybe (if there are no better options and can’t sign Teixeira) have him play 1B for the Yanks. Don’t resign Giambi, PLEASE don’t resign Giambi.
I’d take Sweeney in a heartbeat for Coke and Kennedy. I’d even be willing to sweeten the deal.
I don’t even think it needs sweetening, he’d do that.
Matt – don’t worry; even Cashman won’t re-sign Giambi.
“I’d take Sweeney in a heartbeat for Coke and Kennedy. I’d even be willing to sweeten the deal.”
Gonzalez is better than Sweeney, but I don’t see Beane doing that (Gonzlaez was the crown jewel of the Haren deal). I don’t think you’d need to sweeten the pot for Sweeney.
i’d trade jackson before his value slips even more, he has started to strikeout too much. he will never make it if he Ks that much. not even strikeout kings like sizemore and granderson struck out this much in the minors.
id also trade mcallister, his value is at an all-time high, ditto de la rosa.
only untouchable player in the farm is montero.
dont fall in love with prospects. last year, tabata was our best hitter in the farm and the saftest bet of any of our players to reach his potential. he hit .313 with a bad wrist in a pitcher’s park and looked like he was on his way to filling the manny prophecies. 6 months later? traded for xavier nady.
Yes, Gonzalez isn’t going anywhere. However, Sweeney is a solid corner outfielder. He may not produce runs like Abreu, but he’s a better fielder, and he has upside.
Peter Backgammons is on with Michael Say on 1050 ESPN Radio.
What’s wrong with re-signing Giambi to a one-year contract as a bench player and part-time DH? It would enable the Yankees to trade Matsui, who actually has some value to teams. To the Yankees he’s millstone because he can’t play the field and monopolizes the DH job.
Ok. Just looked at Juan Miranda’s AAA stats:
.296/10/48, .390 obp, .454 slg (88 games; 324 ab)
He struggles vs lefties (.211 avg) but kills righties (.340 avg) and also hits well w/ risp (.303 avg).
All 10 of his homeruns for Scranton have been on the road, but his batting average at home is 27 pts higher than it is on the road (.311 at home, .284 on the road)
Could we live with Nady, Gardner, and Sweeney as a starting outfield? Hmmm. If we got a Tex for 1B, maybe. Damon could be a fourth outfielder and platoon at DH with Posada. Then there’s the matter of Matsui. Yet another DH. Uggh!
Matt:
Juan Miranda will be a September callup as soon as the AAA playoffs are finished.
As the month moves along Giambi will be seen less and less.
who saids Gonzalez isn’t going anywhere this is Billy Beane king of musical chairs/ If you put a package of Kennedy,Melky, Coke and Humberto Sanchez he’d do it. These are prospects not 100 % proven ML players. This is a guy who also dealt away Quentin when they got him from Arizona.
I can’t remember the last Yankees OF that got a ball like that
Giambi is not only finished, but he’s a walking symbol of recent Yankee frustration. And, he may be the worst first baseman in Yankee history. His time has come.
“It would enable the Yankees to trade Matsui, who actually has some value to teams.”
Wouldn’t be quick to assume Matsui has much value. For starters, he has a no trade clause. Secondly, 16 potential trade partners are eliminated unless the NL adopts the DH before next season. Third, the organization will have to eat salary to get any kind of prospect back.
Saucy,
No problem bro. A few more for ya.
Rolly fingers
Donny Baseball
The Babe
and my favorite
Alberts Pooholes
“And you want to deal Betances for him ? so when he becomes a pitching stud ..you know what let me stop.”
Brandon,
I know you weren’t happy when they traded Tabata.
But don’t be surprised if they trade Betances if the right package comes along.
He’s not an untouchable player.
They might not want to deal him this year because they could be dealing him too early – before his value develops. Low A pitchers aren’t often going to bring back a lot in trades.
That said I don’t think Betances is going to stop them from making a deal.
I like Betancs a lot. But if could take 5 years to harness his stuff. Perhaps longer. He could also take a lot less time. With a pitcher like that it’s very hard to predict.
They won’t just give him away or trade him lightly. But if a deal came along similar to the Nady trade – where they were getting substanstial value back I could see Betances being dealt.
In fact, if Cole had signed I think they would have been much more willing to trade Betances.
Again – not saying it’s going to happen or it’s going to happen this winter. But he’s a chip that could draw back a lot of value.
All it takes is for one other team to fall in love with a guy in your system and you can get a lot for him – even if he’s only pitched fairly well in low A.
If he pitches well next year his value will skyrocket so I don’t think he’ll get dealt this off season.
At the same time he pitches well next year in Tampa and stays healthy teams are going to start asking for him a lot.
“This is a guy who also dealt away Quentin when they got him from Arizona.”
Beane never had Quentin. He was dealt directly to the White Sox from the D’backs.
CB what do you think gets Ryan Sweeney from the A’s what type of deal would it be, I mean he’s not a vet and Beane can’t push 5 for 1 here can Ian Kennedy and Phil Coke land him or a Gonzalez ?
First, Matsui, consummate organization man, that he is, already said he’d waive his no-trade clause if the Yankees asked him.
Second, the Giants for some reason would play him in the OF? How much worse than Bonds could he be defensively? The Yankees already had discussed parameters for a trade to SF this past off-season. SF has a large Japanese and Japanese-American population and desperately needs a bat.
Third, one year at $13 million for a productive bat is affordable to all but the smallest market teams. I could imagine Seattle pairing him with Ichiro for a year, especially if Ibanez departs.
The Yankees might not have to pay a dime of Godzuke’s salary.
“If you put a package of Kennedy,Melky, Coke and Humberto Sanchez he’d do it.”
No, he wouldn’t. He’d keep him around for a few years until he gets to the back end of his arbitration years and deal then for something better than this group.
Beane never had Quentin. He was dealt directly to the White Sox from the D’backs.
Wasn’t that the 3 way deal or a sperate one ?
seperate *
“I could imagine Seattle pairing him with Ichiro for a year, especially if Ibanez departs.”
Me too. Not the SF thing though. Especially not after another knee injury that will require surgery after this year. The Giants philosophy may have changed over the course of this season as they had a nice draft and seem resolute in their commitment to rebuild around the Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez trio.
Time to look to 2009.
“Wasn’t that the 3 way deal or a sperate one ?”
Separate deal.
OK, so, they lost yesterday, and we’ve said they need to play close to .700 ball. So that means they need to win at LEAST the next 2 games, and then they can lose again, but preferably win 3 before 1 loss. It’s do-able. Tonight they have a better pitcher going than the Blue Jays. They need to win. As for Halladay, they beat him already this year, no reason they can’t do it again. Matsui will start to hit, and that should give them a big offensive lift.
What was worse the knats in Cleveland w/ Joba in the playoffs last year for the past 12 games?
“To the contrary. I’m well aware of who Kotchman was traded for and it was only a year ago when they traded Saltalamacchia to Texas for Teixeira. Dangle Cano in front of the Braves and it will get their attention.”
why would they want Cano? they have Kelly Johnson playing 2B for them for the near future.
Hopefully Damon can catch the balls in CF tonight. That is now 4 balls that I can remember off the top of my head that he dropped in the last month. The 1 against Boston where he banged into the wall and hurt his shoulder, against the Angels with Kennedy pitching and the 2 yesterday. And he has only played CF 10 times this year. That is horrible!!
Quinten was drafted in the 1st round by the D’backs in 03.
ARI/OAK/CWS have done a lot of deals together in the past 2 years…
Vasquez (ARI) for Chris Young (CWS)
Chris Carter (CWS) for Quinten (ARI)
Swisher (OAK) for Sweeney, Gio Gonzalez, Anderson (CWS)
Haren (OAK) for Carlos Gonzalez, Smith, Eveland (ARI)
and a couple of more
“what do you think gets Ryan Sweeney from the A’s what type of deal would it be”
I can’t see Beane trading Sweeney this year or for the next couple.
He’s the kind of player oakland needs to make their model work.
He’s only got around a year of service time. Oakland still has him under control for another 5 years. They’re not going to give that up. That’s what the key to their team is – having guys with less than 6 years service time.
And remember – Oakland may have the best minor league pitching of any team in baseball right now. At minimum they are in the top 3. Beane’s done a phenomoneal job the past year of restocking their system.
But like the yankees, they don’t have very many position players.
Sweeney’s not great but he’s very useful and valuable to them.
Giambi still in the 5 hole. Hilarious.
And, he may be the worst first baseman in Yankee history. His time has come.
Would agree if Wilson Betemit had never played 1st base.
SJ, from what you are saying it seems like you want to get rid of Cashman. Am I misinterpreting what you are saying?
Honestly, I think Cashman and the rest of the Yankee execs have a good vision for the future of this team and Cashman is in the best position to execute that plan. I think he’s made good decisions since gaining complete control of the organization. There are some areas that need to be improved but on the whole they are doing a good job. The reason the Yankees are losing this year isn’t totally Cashman’s fault (although he is not blameless).
Bloated contracts for veterans past their prime, injuries, a combination of bad luck and underperformance have all contributed.
Alright people I check w/ you after the game, I’ll catch the recaps later. Go Yankees I guess.
“The Giants philosophy may have changed over the course of this season as they had a nice draft and seem resolute in their commitment to rebuild around the Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez trio.”
Agreed on the Giants. They are in full rebuild mode and Sabean is actually doing a very nice job of it.
They have very good young pitching. In addition to the three kids at the major league level Madison Bumgarner, Tim Alderson and Henry Sosa have had outstanding years.
They are poised to put together an absolutely dominating staff. In that awful division they could be contending again in the not so distant future.
You think there’s any chance, Fredo, Seattle would trade Bedard in some deal for Godzilla? I hear Bedard doesn’t want to return there anyway.
Peter Backgammons just said the Yankees will face competition for CC from both the Angels and the Red Sox. He said he could see the Red Sox bidding for CC, ostensibly he’d have to remove his head from Theo’s rectum before seeing much of anything however.
Bedard might be worth a one-year risk if the Yankees fail to sign CC. I’d prefer to see them risk the injury-prone0 Bedard to the injury-prone Burnett.
The problem is that this Seattle GM, evidently, is impossible to deal with.
Now I’m out.
Can we get a recap of what Gammons has to say on the Michael Kay show?
Instant Replay and that he believes the Soxs will go hard after CC.
“Can we get a recap of what Gammons has to say on the Michael Kay show?”
He talked about how Josh Beckett is the greatest player and he thinks he’s fine. Basically a Beckett praise-fest.
But then, to my surprise, he rambled on about how he loves Mariano Rivera. He came out of it seeming like the biggest Rivera fan in the world.
Alright no joke now I gotta go. Go Yankees I guess.
I was a big Bedard fan before this season began but now that I’ve seen what he’s done to Seattle I definitely don’t want him. He’s been out since july 5 and can’t even get healthy enough to pitch off the mound. Sounds a lot like Pavano. Bad attitude, bad teamatte, injury prone..
Maybe I’m way off base and he has just had an unlucky year with injuries. I hope thats the case because he’s a great pitcher when healthy.
Brandon, I said a while ago that Boston would eventually be our biggest competitor for CC, just like they were for Santana and Dice-K. Ultimately, it always comes down to those 2 teams. The Dodgers will never get in a bidding war with the both of us, so CC would have to take a significant discount to go West.
Boston has money and likely will be out in the 1st round and have had a disappointing year for the most part. Their pitching in shambles.
I could see them going hard after CC and using Buchholz to fetch a young position player.
brandon,
Will you go to lunch!!Go to lunch!! Will you go to lunch!
“But then, to my surprise, he rambled on about how he loves Mariano Rivera. He came out of it seeming like the biggest Rivera fan in the world.”
Albeit, immediately thereafter, his head resumed its customary position inside Theo’s digestive track.
Poor Peter, I think he’s becoming all too aware of how little regard Yankee fans have for his professionalism.
Carlos Quentin-steal for the White Sox-potential MVP in AL. I didn’t say trade for him, because he’s a keeper for the Sox. I want the Yankees to be able to “mine” the other teams for the next Carlos Quentin.
A-Rod and that contract are untradeable. That’s what makes me concerned if the Yankees offer 7 years to Teixeira. We missed our chance in 2007 when the Angels were interested in offering , as rumored Figgins, Santana, and I believe another player for him.
boooooo
There is no chance that CC comes to the Yankees. He’s a West Coast guy who doesn’t like the East Coast. There will be plenty of dough out West for him to take.
Accept that we will be going hard after Burnett.
“Trisha,
I find it interesting that you dropped the phrase about “Arod will begin to hit†from your name tag.”
You know since I didn’t really come up with the idea myself, I got a little superstitious about a reverse mojo. But since it looks like it didn’t much matter I’ll put it back in. Can’t hurt!
make some sense of this for me, anyone, i know matsui is back but gardner was just starting to hit…we know damon in cf is not an option and giambi has been useless, why not nady at 1b?