Jeter and Pettitte keep the faith
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 20, 2008 
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It’s strange to look around the clubhouse and see only three Yankees who have won World Series rings with the team: Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera.
Joe Torre is gone to California. Jorge Posada is home. Bernie Williams has disappeared. There aren’t even any comebacks left for Roger Clemens. It’s as though Jeter, Andy and Mo are three veterans telling tales of old battles.
It was kind of fitting that Pettitte and Jeter picked the team up tonight. Pettitte was brilliant for seven innings and Jeter was the Jeter of old, going 3 for 5 with a homer, two RBI and two runs scored.
They know that most people think the Yankees are finished. But what are they supposed to do, just quit?
“It’s our job to go out and try and prove people wrong,†Jeter said. “People are always going to have opinions; you can’t help opinions. But as long as everybody in this clubhouse feels as though we can win, we’ll be fine.â€
A few notes for those of you still awake:
* Jeter has 16 hits in his last 28 at-bats, raising his average to .298. He is two hits shy of becoming the 88th player in baseball history with 2,500 career hits. There are only five active players with more hits: Ken Griffey Jr. (2,655), Omar Vizquel (2,634), Gary Sheffield (2,593), Pudge Rodriguez (2,592) and Luis Gonzalez (2,577).
* Pettitte hadn’t won since July 27 in Boston.
* Giambi started against a lefty for the first time since July 3. “Lo and behold, we scored two runs in the first inning,” Joe Girardi said. Yeah, lo and behold.
* With the Red Sox and Rays losing, the Yanks are 5.5 down in the wild card and 10 down in the division.
Thanks for reading tonight.
thanks for the good stuff pete. lay off on girardi.
Thanks for the update now i can go to bad.
Only 5.5 out thats not a lot, If (and thats a big if they) they play good ball for the rest of the season and we know they can do that, they just have to.
yanks we kan do it we going to da playoffs
if Sir Sidney manages to outpitch Roy Halladay tomorrow, I’m going to get very drunk.
(OK, no I’m not. but someone should.)
Of course we’re still awake.
This team is going to make one more run. We all believe it, doomsdayers. Here’s to JETE recapturing a last bit of magic!
A last bit of magic, Mop Up Man?
By my count, Jete still has 7 or 8 more years of magic in him!
someone remind me… who was it that said it ain’t over til its over?
yanks clinch wild card last day of season in boston. said it here first
Oh god come on … Pettitte deserves most of the credit but the 2nd bit of credit belongs to GI Joe from what I saw him playing hit and run ball in the 1st and then putting it on again w/ Molina was what sealed tonight’s game.
I’m scared to see them face Doc Halladay. Hopefully he has an off day…
The Yankees will rock Halladay tomorrow. He has had our number for too long. It ends tomorrow.
Doc Halladay never has an off day, you either show up with your helmets on and your bats ready, or you go home a loser. He never beats himself.
The Yanks chance at making the playoffs? Oh, I give them a 0.0001 % chance.
I’m scared to see them face Doc Halladay. Hopefully he has an off day…
Most likely he won’t, what scares me is how horrible this team does vs power pitchers an example is how Jetes yes over .600 AVG in his past I forgot how many games but vs power pitching is batting .250, just like Arod .255, just like Giambi .172 and Robi Cano’s putrid .196 vs power pitchers. This is gonna play a big part in how many remaining series they can and can’t win.
Every time I try to get out, they pull me back in!
i just watched Joe G’s post game interview, and the “lo and behold…” comment was in regards to johnnys affect on the team. he said something like when johnny gets on base it really gets us going and lo and behold we score two runs in the first. seems completely appropriate to me. so pete, i dont see why you would make that comment with the giambi commment. seems like a weak shot a girardi, and i understand this is your blog so you can say what you want, but you really have something against joe, dont you?
Jeter can’t pick up a team like A-Rod can.If A-Rod is not hitting we are screwed.
So lets calm down about Jeter having a good week.He still is having a Bad year.
Pete I love your blog and all but you nitpick everything about what Girardi says. You feels like you are given the right to know everything about the team. It’s like you continue to criticize everything Girardi says because Girardi won’t tell you or the rest of the media everything about what goes on within the organization in terms of injuries and player personnel. As it is a privilege and not a right for the players to be playing ball same asserts to the media. And if you feel so strongly about it why don’t you confront Girardi about it rather than just blogging it?
I love the blog and all but this is one thing I do have a problem with. Good win and good night.
They beat Halladay once this season on Opening Day, so it’s not impossible. Somehow Tampa has beaten him three times already in 2008.
G. Love they went vs a soft tossing lefty don’t get pulled in until they earn it.
Check what they do vs power pitchers
Jeter .250/.331/.329
Arod .256/.342/.488
Damon .263/.363/.380
Cano .196/.244/.270
Stach .172/.298/.306
There is only one guy that can hit his weight vs power pitchers in this lineup consistantly at a 08′ clip of .333/.408/.522 that belongs to Bobby Abreu. Matsui is the other one but .330/.432/.420 is not expected for him after his DL stint. And think of what the Orioles will trot against us. Cabrera, Guthrie these are the types of SP that Yankees can’t touch if thier life depended on it.
Sal- i completely agree. re-reading my comment, it seems mean-hearted, but, no, i love this blog. its one of the first sites i visit on the computer, always has the best information, and inside stories which i always appreciate. but this whole anti-girardi is getting old. ok, he “lies” about injuries and you think its stupid, but its childish for you to always pick at what he says. sorry, pete it just really bugs me. i really appreciate everything you do for the blog, i think your a great writer, have a good night.
Max: He said it again in reference to Giambi driving in a run with that sac fly.
Sal: This has nothing to do with anybody telling me anything. This has everything to do with dozens of people being critical about his insistence on playing matchups against every lefty starter … right up until the season was lost.
You also don’t “confront” anybody. It’s not a trial. You ask him questions, which I did, then you write down his response. Period. If I happen to think he’s wrong about baseball strategy, it’s not my job to change his mind. He’s the manager, he’ll either be a successul one or get fired like anybody else.
“So lets calm down about Jeter having a good week.He still is having a Bad year.”
a couple hits shy of batting .300 and is a .300 hiter with RISP…ill take it
Since when is Guthrie a power pitcher? I recall him being 93-92 max
Actually 4 guys w/rings, Girardi’s got a few. plus he has a historic clutch hit off Maddux in game 6 of the 1996 Series, motoring around for a triple.
Pete cracks me up w/his ongoing Jason Giambi PR work. Giambi’s broken down almost every year as a Yankee. playing him in every game would be reckless. so when you do sit him, the percentages are to give him his rest against lefties, as his career splits indicate.
“* Giambi started against a lefty for the first time since July 3. “Lo and behold, we scored two runs in the first inning,†Joe Girardi said. Yeah, lo and behold.”
haha good stuff.
Hopefully he’s learned something and next year he doesn’t repeat it.
Pete, this directly from you: Girardi claims his newfound lineup consistency is due to “having all our guys.†But he had been sitting Giambi against lefties all season and was doing the same with Matsui when he was healthy.
Which is not true with Matsui. When he was healthy he missed all but two games vs. lefties. One was C.C. Sabathia which the Yankees won and Dana Eveland which the Yankees won.
Biggest indicator that we’re too old to catch up to power picthers or good fastballs… Beckett. In that past, we were his daddy.
This year he is having a terrible year, yet he has 3 wins against us (and in his loss, he gave up 1 run in 7) and a 3.25 ERA.
Since when is Guthrie a power pitcher? I recall him being 93-92 max
Are you serious ?
Consider it doing you a favor
I’m guessing all the “get rid of Jeter” talk is over for good now.
“Biggest indicator that we’re too old to catch up to power picthers or good fastballs… Beckett. In that past, we were his daddy.”
Why not just say we can’t hit good pitching? Guys with above average stuff. Much easier. Not about good fastballs. Just can’t hit good pitching. We can feast on the Bannisters of the world but the Daniel Cabrera’s eat us alive. The guys with actual talent.
No one wants to get rid of Jetes. We’re just not in favor of guaranteeing after his contract is up to reup him. He’s declining in every aspect of his game, this is 23 or 27 yr. old Derek Jeter this is mid 30′s hits singles and GIDP most times than not Jetes most likely the future SS is already in this system because Jetes at best has 3 yrs maybe 4 of productivity left.
“Oh god come on … Pettitte deserves most of the credit but the 2nd bit of credit belongs to GI Joe from what I saw him playing hit and run ball in the 1st and then putting it on again w/ Molina was what sealed tonight’s game.”
Dumb.
Hit and runs don’t lead to wins. They lead mostly to outs especially with the way most of this team runs.
Great pitching wins. Pettitte deserves all the credit. Just like Burnett last night. Not some dopey hit and run.
Why not just say we can’t hit good pitching? Guys with above average stuff. Much easier. Not about good fastballs. Just can’t hit good pitching. We can feast on the Bannisters of the world but the Daniel Cabrera’s eat us alive. The guys with actual talent.
Because that’s what they are classified as. There are three type of pitchers finesse, power/finesse and power pitchers. Bannister is a finesse SP, Cabrera is a power pitcher.
“No one wants to get rid of Jetes. We’re just not in favor of guaranteeing after his contract is up to reup him. He’s declining in every aspect of his game, this is 23 or 27 yr. old Derek Jeter this is mid 30’s hits singles and GIDP most times than not Jetes most likely the future SS is already in this system because Jetes at best has 3 yrs maybe 4 of productivity left.”
I spoke too soon. The lunatics are starting to run the asylum in regards to Jeter. Then again this is the same poster above who thinks we won tonight because we put on some hit and runs.
So take from it what you will.
“Because that’s what they are classified as. There are three type of pitchers finesse, power/finesse and power pitchers. Bannister is a finesse SP, Cabrera is a power pitcher.”
There’s good pitching and bad pitching. There are plenty of finesse guys who are good pitchers. Mussina for one. Maddux. Moyer. So on. There are plenty of bad pitchers who are power pitchers. This team has rocked many a power arm.
We have trouble with any good pitcher. It is why we won’t score over 800 runs and why we will finish in third.
Dumb.
really
Hit and runs don’t lead to wins. They lead mostly to outs especially with the way most of this team runs.
What the hell are you talking about ? not moving the runner leads to easy GIDP, moving the runner opens up holes in the defense because it moves either the SS, 1B, 3B or 2B out of thier comfort position. Why do you think teams like the Angels survive w/ thier lineups ?
Great pitching wins. Pettitte deserves all the credit. Just like Burnett last night. Not some dopey hit and run.
Right where were you when Rasner pitch 6 plus innings pitch and was out dueling Burnett, where were you when Giese shut down LAA and we still loss, where were you when Ponson shutdown the Angels only to lose that game and the game vs Texas. Yeh smart arguement we’re having here.
There’s good pitching and bad pitching. There are plenty of finesse guys who are good pitchers. Mussina for one. Maddux. Moyer. So on. There are plenty of bad pitchers who are power pitchers. This team has rocked many a power arm.
Why can’t you make any sense.
We have trouble with any good pitcher. It is why we won’t score over 800 runs and why we will finish in third.
Right and the majority of those problems are vs power pitchers it’s why they can’t turn on fastballs that are 94 and plus. Again make a good arguement.
“I’m guessing all the “get rid of Jeter†talk is over for good now.”
With this crowd???? They’ll cry when he’s batting 2nd tomorrow.
“Right and the majority of those problems are vs power pitchers it’s why they can’t turn on fastballs that are 94 and plus. Again make a good arguement.”
You got a lineup that score over 950 runs last year. And they have trouble with every fastball pitcher??? If they can’t hit 94mph fastballs they wouldn’t be in the league.
Go back to school and take logic 101.
I spoke too soon. The lunatics are starting to run the asylum in regards to Jeter. Then again this is the same poster above who thinks we won tonight because we put on some hit and runs.
No really you telling me Jetes gets his AB that btw tack on runs never the less Girardi doesn’t call for that hit and run w/ Molina that ground ball becomes a DP instead of Cano at 3B and Molina at 1B, Johnny’s pull to an out instead of scoring a run ends that inning, meaning Jetes 2 run shot doesn’t happen which you could see Percey couldn’t control out of the stretch. Again make some sense man.
So take from it what you will.
“Right where were you when Rasner pitch 6 plus innings pitch and was out dueling Burnett, where were you when Giese shut down LAA and we still loss, where were you when Ponson shutdown the Angels only to lose that game and the game vs Texas. Yeh smart arguement we’re having here.”
Yea they were great for 6 innings. But you forgot that baseball is played for 9 innings. Yeah. You forgot that little tidbit. There 6 innings were great. Too bad they and us needed 9 more outs.
I hate arguing with the dumb but this is getting funny.
Preach for some hit and runs, fella. That would have won that Giese game vs ANA and the Rasner game vs Burnett who went how many innings???
Get a clue.
You got a lineup that score over 950 runs last year. And they have trouble with every fastball pitcher??? If they can’t hit 94mph fastballs they wouldn’t be in the league.
Meanwhile the 900 run lineup is at 607 right now w/ no chance of getting anywhere near that 950 runs.
Go back to school and take logic 101.
I’ll just tell you go to school once in your life period.
“No really you telling me Jetes gets his AB that btw tack on runs never the less Girardi doesn’t call for that hit and run w/ Molina that ground ball becomes a DP instead of Cano at 3B and Molina at 1B, Johnny’s pull to an out instead of scoring a run ends that inning, meaning Jetes 2 run shot doesn’t happen which you could see Percey couldn’t control out of the stretch. Again make some sense man.
So take from it what you will.”
Yawn. I guess some lunatics never give up. Oh well.
Thank God Girardi hit and run all night because that’s why they won everyone.
Brandon,
I’ll be surprised if we hit Hallyday tomorrow. I already see Arod and Giambi K’ing and banging into double plays all game.
I’m hoping Cano decides tomorrow is one of the days his bat shows up.
When he hits, we win. I can’t stand the guy, but I also know he has the ability to carry the team. It just sucks he plays so poorly all the time, although he made a nice play in the field tonight.
All I wanted out of this team was to shave a game off Boston’s lead (or the Twins lead) each week of the season and make the last series in Beantown mean something.
That’s not out of the question, but they cannot lose tomorrow. They just can’t.
I don’t know if they have it in them to beat the best starter in the AL…they probably don’t, but I’ll watch and hope.
I’ve gone this far and tried to quit and not watch games and it hasn’t worked yet. I’m still clinging to a sliver of belief that they can do something. Emphasis on the word “sliver”.
That said, I would play Gardner tomorrow and hope he can get on base and disrupt Hallyday. At least he could bunt his way on if need be.
That’s a pipe dream though. Girardi has basically set the lineup in stone (outside of catcher) and he’s going down with the ship with these guys.
Where does it say on Halladay’s record that he is undefeated with a 0 ERA?
I know G Love I know.
“That said, I would play Gardner tomorrow and hope he can get on base and disrupt Hallyday. At least he could bunt his way on if need be.”
So, sit one of the leagues leading hitters for a rookie who you want to bunt all game because he has no chance to get around on Doc?
Sound advice. Sound as a pound.
“Pete, this directly from you: Girardi claims his newfound lineup consistency is due to “having all our guys.†But he had been sitting Giambi against lefties all season and was doing the same with Matsui when he was healthy.
Which is not true with Matsui. When he was healthy he missed all but two games vs. lefties. One was C.C. Sabathia which the Yankees won and Dana Eveland which the Yankees won.”
The game that stands out most to me this season was against the Mets and Oliver Perez.
He sat Abreu, Giambi and Matsui.
We lost.
I’m sure these’s more games where Matsui sat.
Hallady is a great pitcher but he doesnt have our number as much as brunett does halladay is 12-5 with a high 2 era in 29 starts that means hes had 12 no decisions against us. Sometimes hes domaint like his last start against us but usually we can hit him
“The game that stands out most to me this season was against the Mets and Oliver Perez.
He sat Abreu, Giambi and Matsui.
We lost.
I’m sure these’s more games where Matsui sat.”
And I am 100% positive since I went through Matsui’s gamelog compared to the Yankees team schedule. Matsui has not played since June 22nd and the game you are referring to is June 29th. And that game where Abreu and Giambi sat may have to do with Perez .157 BAA vs. lefties and Abreu 0 for 10 vs. him with 5 Ks.
Abreu has not played vs. lefties 5 times all season. Our record: 2-3
Our Losses: Lost 6-0 (vs. Burres), 5-2 (vs. Kazmir), 3-1 (vs. Perez)
Matsui had not played vs. lefties 5 times all season. Our record (two times were right before he went on the DL and one of those games was in an NL park: 4-1
Our Loss: Lost 5-2 (vs. Kazmir),
The only one that has been given the platoon is Giambi and rightfully so. He’s batting .237 vs. lefties.
I had to correct myself with Matsui since he had a 3 pinch hit appearances when lefties started the game.
Yep let’s all get on board for the Golden Sombrero kid. Yellow sunglasses, stache and talk of himself in the third person, “The Big G says”. This from a guy that decided to go for HR’s no matter the situation. The stat man who pulls everything and swings from the heels. Talk about selfish, it is to weep. Against Burnett, he’s pitching well, leadoff man on second, two doinks to the right score a run, a rod stands there and watches three fastballs down the middle, a leader leads by example, this was pitiful. If he gives himself up to move a runner, that’s leadership, this was pathetic and Giambi with RISP, well the stats speak for themselves.
It’s not too late, but Joe Retardi is definitely making it harder than it should be!
“It’s not too late, but Joe Retardi is definitely making it harder than it should be!”
How? Are you sure? Have you thought that maybe it’s the offenses fault?
“And I am 100% positive since I went through Matsui’s gamelog compared to the Yankees team schedule. Matsui has not played since June 22nd and the game you are referring to is June 29th. And that game where Abreu and Giambi sat may have to do with Perez .157 BAA vs. lefties and Abreu 0 for 10 vs. him with 5 Ks.
Abreu has not played vs. lefties 5 times all season. Our record: 2-3
Our Losses: Lost 6-0 (vs. Burres), 5-2 (vs. Kazmir), 3-1 (vs. Perez)
Matsui had not played vs. lefties 5 times all season. Our record (two times were right before he went on the DL and one of those games was in an NL park: 4-1
Our Loss: Lost 5-2 (vs. Kazmir),
The only one that has been given the platoon is Giambi and rightfully so. He’s batting .237 vs. lefties.”
You’re right it wasn’t Matsui. It was actually Cano and right around when he was begining to heat up.
Here’s the game thread:
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....s-at-mets/
Cano was hitting .400 and Giambi was hitting .500 against perez in limited AB’s.
Okay, let’s not make Damon bunt when it is absolutely imperative because we don’t understand simple rules of the game. Or let’s not bring in our lefty specialist when they are supposed to come in because we’re comfortable on the bench.
“You’re right it wasn’t Matsui. It was actually Cano and right around when he was begining to heat up.
Here’s the game thread:
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....s-at-mets/
Cano was hitting .400 and Giambi was hitting .500 against perez in limited AB’s.”
And the point? Cano was bound to have a day off and he did and he went on to have multi-hit games in 5 of the following 8 games.
Giambi’s .500 average is 1 for 2. That’s nothing to base anything off of. His now .229 average vs. lefties and Perez’s .157 BAA vs. lefties has much more to do with it. Giambi hasn’t even hit over .250 vs. lefties in a single season since 2005.
Giambi has been the only one subject to the platoon role and saying Matsui has as much as Giambi is totally misguided and inaccurate.
“Okay, let’s not make Damon bunt when it is absolutely imperative because we don’t understand simple rules of the game. Or let’s not bring in our lefty specialist when they are supposed to come in because we’re comfortable on the bench.”
Didn’t in the first game of the KC series tell Damon to bunt and Damon reluctantly didn’t? Didn’t in the following game the Yankees had the bases loaded with none out and did not score a run or had many other chances?
For the lefty specialist are you second guessing Girardi leaving Rasner in the game after what 70 pitches? That is not why we lost that game. We lost that game because of bad defense and ZERO offense from our heart of the order guys. Not even zero offense almost ZERO contact.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there are members of this team who are losing faith. I remember hearing Arod in the off season saying he didn’t think last years team would make the playoffs(don’t remember if it was in an interview or Yesterdays).
“And the point? Cano was bound to have a day off and he did and he went on to have multi-hit games in 5 of the following 8 games.
Giambi’s .500 average is 1 for 2. That’s nothing to base anything off of. His now .229 average vs. lefties and Perez’s .157 BAA vs. lefties has much more to do with it. Giambi hasn’t even hit over .250 vs. lefties in a single season since 2005.
Giambi has been the only one subject to the platoon role and saying Matsui has as much as Giambi is totally misguided and inaccurate.”
And the point?!?!?!?
This is Oliver Perez not Sandy Koufax.
Why are his #’s vs LHP more real than Giambi’s or Cano’s.
Giambi’s had 6 AB’s against Perez. Over an .800 OBP. It may be limited but I don’t think he has a problem seeing the ball from him.
Also on Cano, you don’t rest players when they start to streak. You give them their rest when they’re slumping or having off days. Nobody wants to take a day off when they’re starting to hit. He’s done this all year with players which is another knock on him. Sometimes it doesn’t affect the players but sometimes it does. Regardless, this is life 101, when you’re in a zone in anything, you don’t want to take a break in the middle of it. That’s just unbelievable.
“Also on Cano, you don’t rest players when they start to streak. You give them their rest when they’re slumping or having off days. Nobody wants to take a day off when they’re starting to hit. He’s done this all year with players which is another knock on him. Sometimes it doesn’t affect the players but sometimes it does. Regardless, this is life 101, when you’re in a zone in anything, you don’t want to take a break in the middle of it. That’s just unbelievable.”
He has done that. Didn’t Cano get a day off in Houston because he was slumping? Didn’t he get a day off recently for his slump that was caused by a bad hand? Going into that game vs. the Mets he had played every game after that Houston game where he had a day off, had to wait all night in Pittsburgh, played in the doubleheader and played in the Fox Saturday game. He needed a day off and it didn’t hurt him whatsoever. I prefer to keep players fresh rather than wait for them to wear down and see that they are slumping because of a slow bat. He did play vs. Johan on that Saturday you know. He did go on to have a great July didn’t he?
Here’s a list of lefty pitchers and their BAA with lefties:
.270 Danks
.268 Lee
.252 Saunders
.236 Johan
.231 Hamels
.227 Randy Johnson
.221 Lester
.213 Kazmir
.209 C.C.
.157 Perez
You cannot argue that. Giambi’s horrible average vs. lefties and Perez’s amazing numbers vs. lefties do not mix well at all.
vs. Lester/Javier Lopez/Okajima/Feliciano/Oliver Perez/Johan/Marte/Kazmir/BJ Ryan this year, Giambi is 2 for 23 (.086AVG) with 2BBs 9Ks 2HRs 4RBIs
I’m sorry but you cannot spin this.
It was Oliver Perez.
Why are his #’s more important than Giambi’s vs Perez #’s? Or Cano vs Perez?
You found Abreu’s #’s important and telling vs Perez but not Giambi or Cano?
This was a rubber game of the series.
You can’t even consider this losing a battle to win a war because you’re not even putting up a fight.
You do not sit your top 3 players to give them rest all in 1 game!!!
You want to give someone a rest, that’s fine but we need to win series so you have to put out a winnable lineup not a B lineup.
Girardi’s done this all year long and he’s cost us a fair chance at winning at least a dozen more games. This team has way too much talent to be where they are right now.
“vs. Lester/Javier Lopez/Okajima/Feliciano/Oliver Perez/Johan/Marte/Kazmir/BJ Ryan this year, Giambi is 2 for 23 (.086AVG) with 2BBs 9Ks 2HRs 4RBIs”
Selective stats now?
I’m sure I can make his BA near 1.00 by hand picking pitchers.
2008:
vs LHP .239 .391
VS RHP .256 .391
Not much difference there. The exact same OBP.
He has a .224 average (66 for 294) vs. lefties last three seasons. And how am I spinning it or being selective? Look at all the batter vs. pitcher and see if you can pick out any other quality left-handed pitchers that he has good numbers against.
This wasn’t even about Giambi this was about Matsui and how it is totally inaccurate and misguided about how it was said that Girardi was doing the same thing to Matsui as he was doing to Giambi when he was healthy.
How are you spinning it?
This wasn’t just about Giambi or Matsui.
It was about Girardi playing matchups every time we face a lefty.
The Perez game was a game that stood out for me this season and it was used as an example.
You’re only selecting #’s that support your argument.
You acknowledge Abreu’s struggles against Perez in limited ab’s. Yet ignore that he’s hit LHP better than RHP this year.
You ignore Giambi’s dominance against Perez in limited ab’s. Yet bring up only his AVG #s, When he’s more of an OBP guy than an AVG hitter. Of course his AVG is going to look bad. The past 6 years the highest BA he’s had was .271. Everything else has been around .250 and below.
Cano?
At that point in time:
Vs left .281
Vs right .229
[b]Past 7 days
2HR 7RBI .333 [/b]
Giambi’s dominance against Perez? When is 1 for 2 with 2 walks vs. somebody dominance? So Giambi went 0 for 1 vs. Perez this season should I say that’s dominance from Perez? How did the lineup fare on June 18th vs. Perez?
And again Abreu and Cano needed rest and it did not affect them whatsoever.
And again, my point is the Matsui statement that Pete said is absolutely misguided and incorrect and was another attempt to knock Girardi for an unknown reason.
And I don’t get the Cano numbers since it was just a day off for him and why not give it to him on a day that Oliver Perez is pitching. Cano did hit 9 for 26 (.346) over the following 7 games.
And the game you used as an example to prove about Matsui was completely wrong since he was on the DL already.
Here’s Giambi’s BB:K ratio vs. lefties past 3 seasons:
39:83. This is in 294 ABs. Put that in a 600 AB season and that’s 169Ks.
Do you want your 5th hitter as either walking or striking out against the best lefties in the league?
“And I don’t get the Cano numbers since it was just a day off for him and why not give it to him on a day that Oliver Perez is pitching. Cano did hit 9 for 26 (.346) over the following 7 games.”
This is OLIVER PEREZ a #3 or 4 guy in the rotation.
This isn’t like it’s Josh Beckett, CC Sabathia, Johan Santana, Brandon Webb. It’s OLIVER PEREZ.
Cano was our HOTTEST hitter at the time.
HE OWNS Perez.
HE OWNED LHP better than RHP.
We were playing a rubber game. Which means we split the first two. We lost by a score of 1-3. BY 2 RUNS!! OUR BEST HITTERS SAT THE ENTIRE GAME.
“Do you want your 5th hitter as either walking or striking out against the best lefties in the league?”
I don’t even want him as a 5th hitter. He has no business being a 5th hitter and that’s another knock against Giradi. He doesn’t know how to put together a lineup.
Giambi is an OBP guy. He walks or strikes out against RHP too!
“And again Abreu and Cano needed rest and it did not affect them whatsoever. ”
They lost didn’t they? I’d say that affected the team somewhat. They went on to go 6-7 before the AS break.
Another correction: It was not a rubber game.
The lone run came on Betemit’s HR. Even if Perez is not an ace, his numbers vs. lefties do not lie and that .157 BAA is 52 points less than the next lefty pitcher that I picked out in C.C.
Again another mistake you made with the series scenario. And the only reason why you brought up this certain game was because you tried to point out that Matsui did not play because of a lefty but you were incorrect since he was on the DL. And again, what was said about Girardi about benching Matsui in favor of a lesser righty about similar to Giambi when Matsui was healthy was incorrect.
I give up.
If you think it’s acceptable to rest your big guns against the #3 guy because HIS numbers are more valuable than YOUR HITTERS numbers. You can’t really argue that point.
Betemit was Cano’s replacement and was 1 for 4 with a hr. So I guess that makes the move a good one, right?
E-Man my problem was with Pete’s comment about Matsui getting the same treatment as Giambi when he was “healthy” and you tried to defend them but you chose a game where Matsui was already on the DL for a week. He tried to take a shot at Girardi again and it was off base.
If you are going to post things make them accurate and that goes with all of us. And you sir had some inaccurate information from saying Matsui did not play when it was because he was on the DL to saying the game was a rubber game when in fact we lost the first game of the doubleheader which was the last game at the Stadium against the Mets then beat them that night and the following day vs. Pedro and Johan.
Get off of your high horse. I owned up to that Matsui mistake right away. You chose to debate me about that game regardless of Matsui.
And now you’re nit picking meaningless mistakes? Well MR. Perfect. On June 18th, we faced San Diego, not Oliver Perez.
May 18th we faced Oliver Perez.
How about them apples, you made a mistake too.
I didn’t need to throw it in your face because I had an actual argument.
Try taking some of your own advice first.
I typed the wrong month by accident you just had no clue of the scenarios with the Matsui injury and the Mets series.
This from you:
“The game that stands out most to me this season was against the Mets and Oliver Perez.
He sat Abreu, Giambi and Matsui.
We lost.
I’m sure these’s more games where Matsui sat.”
And as I pointed out, Matsui sitting games as much as Giambi when he was healthy vs. lefties is off base and inaccurate. And read all the posts and see who came after who afterwards. Everything for me was based on pointing out that what Pete wrote was inaccurate. If you can at all prove that what he wrote was accurate then please show me.
Again, Get off of your high horse.
Maybe pick up some reading glasses too.
In my very next post, I admitted you were right about Matsui. Did I not?
I brought up Cano and you debated that aspect of it. Did you not?
It’s real simple here buddy.
Right now you’re playing a gotcha game.
People tend to do that when they can’t debate or their argument doesn’t hold much water.