Blog poll: How do you feel about Pavano?
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 21, 2008 
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So a day many of us never expected would come is upon us. Sometime today, the Yankees could name Carl Pavano as their starter on Saturday.
Talk about shocking. This would be right up there with “Abraham named to U.S. 4×100 relay team” and “A-Rod delivers again in postseason.”
The Yankees are backed into a corner a bit. Pavano has essentially stolen $40 million of their money for four years. But the alternatives aren’t appealing. Phil Hughes is coming off a poor outing and the Yankees are determined not to rush him back. Alfredo Aceves hasn’t earned a spot, not with a 4.78 ERA for Scranton.
Brian Cashman also didn’t want to shed a prospect to add Jarrod Washburn to a third-place team. Can’t blame him for that.
So that brings us to Pavano.
It’s a bit staggering that the Yankees could be playing for their lives with 60 percent of their rotation consisting of Pavano, Darrell Rasner and Sidney Ponson. That’s not how they drew it up back in spring training.
What do you think? Vote in the poll over to the right.
Ponson and Rasner have done yeoman service for the Yanks this season. A little more run support and these guys would be big time winners.
What will the Yanks do with them next season when the real ‘NYY starting pitchers’ (IPK???) return?
I feel like I want to vomit all over the place. How’s that?
I’d rather watch Pavano and all the hilarity and great (I use that term sarcastically) memories that goes along with him (not)taking the mound, rather than watch Victor Zambrano labor through a 4-inning, 5 walk, vintage Zambrano start. Granted, Pavano might have a similar outing, but oh well, it’s still Carl Pavano actually pitching for the Yankees.
The Yankees can get back in this race. “Can”. I still see nothing from the hitting that shows they “Will”. I didnt realize the Yankees signed the Marlins’ Pavano. Did anyone else hear we got this guy? I bet that is going to work out really well for us. Lets give it some time.
He’s being paid by the Yankees, correct? So, what’s the big deal? If he is told he has to pitch, then he has to pitch.
Its not like they have other alternatives.
Carl Pavano or Victor Zambrano? Not exactly picking from the A List, is it?
As others have stated on here, if he pitches and wins or, pitches multiple games (I know, but one can dream! lol) and wins, fans will be forgiving.
There needs to be an option reflecting the inevitable moment right before the game where Pavano calls out due to a hangnail and they have to fly Hughes in from Scranton.
Would you guys bring Ponson back enxt year, or let him walk. I mean the guy has kept us in every game pitched except that one Redsox game. He has done a great job, but I just don’t know what kid of market will be out there for Ponson.
Sorry guys, but I can’t pitch on Saturday because of a slightly chipped pinky nail.
I would send pavano out there start after start and leave him in for 150 pitches no matter the score. When his arm falls off, I’d make him throw a couple of bullpens.
Oh, and the music I would play for him at the stadium as he warms would be “The Big Payback” by James Brown.
“I feel like I want to vomit all over the place. How’s that?”
i second that motion. and Carl i hope your “stiff neck” turns out to be okay…were all praying for you
Might as well try to get SOME return on investment.
I have no problem with him pitching Saturday as long as Girardi and Eiland think he’s ready.
I agree the Yankees better fly in Hughes, Kennedy, or the Janitor at Camden Yards, to be ready when Pavano trips on a blade of grass and heads back to the DL.
As stated earlier what other option do they really have?
I am rather sick of how the Yankees wasted 40 mil on him.
I really thought we were getting somwhere with him last spring when he moved his locker to be near Andy and was actually pitching well, and then it was all over . . . again.
That being said, I would really like to see the Yankees get some use out of him before his contract is up. If anything, just get 1 win and let him be someone else’s problem next season.
i really think he should throw every pitch in every game until the end of the year.we are out of it.make pavano’s arm fall off.just kidding
I wonder what kind of reception he will get from the club house.
I don’t think of Carl Pavano as a bad signing. I think of it as a good signing (it was at the time it was made) gone bad. Make that unbelievably bad. But que sera, sera. If he makes the start, I’ll be there in Baltimore cheering him on, because all that matters at this point is wins. Now who and not how. Just wins.
And if Pavano can’t make the start, then I still don’t want Hughes being rushed up yet again. The thought of Zambrano gives me uneasiness than Pavano, but if he can give 5-6 decent innings, he’ll do, as well.
Wins. That’s it. Just wins.
As stated earlier what other option do they really have?
Well…
The Janitor, Dave Eiland can come out of retirement, maybe Brett Gardner since people want him playing.
In reality, there is Hughes, Kennedy, Chase Wright, and dare i say, THE MAN THE MYTH THE IGAWAAAAAAAAAAAA (sunglasses and all)…
At this point I’m for any pitcher than can go out there on Saturday and give the Yankees a quality start. If it’s Pavano, so be it.
Vomit-inducing sounds about right, as stated above. This guy is a thief.
The Man!!!
The Myth!!!
The Igawaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe he will throw a perfect game.
I say make him pitch. They paid him to pitch and they got nothing. Make him go out there. I only wish it were at home so he could get booed.
Maybe they should pull a Sabathia and the Brewers – make him pitch till his arm falls off. They should get their money’s worth.
Carl Pavano will say he’s hurt if they make him pitch more than he wants. He’ll pull out of a start with a strained ear-lobe.
Q:How do I feel about Carl Pavano?
A:You know how labor feels? Me either but im assuming they are about the same feeling.
20 people voted for bringing back Igawa?!?!?!?
“Vomit-inducing sounds about right, as stated above. This guy is a thief.”
you people need to get over it. this guy, like it or not, is going to be incredibly important down the stretch.
if the yankees are going to make a run, he’s gotta pitch well. if he doesnt, forget about it.
Where’s the poll choice: Get whatever we can out of him!!!!
I don’t care which pitcher is on the mound for the Yankees as long as they help win the games, and I don’t care which hitter is playing for NYY as long as they hit and help win games. Doesn’t mean I want them back, though.
They were getting a return on their investment, in the form of insurance checks.
who cares.
20 people voted for bringing back Igawa?!?!?!?
Must be HR derby fans
SJ,
I asked you last week about whether or not a team can put an arbitration clause into a contract and you said you would look into it? I am wondering if you might have?
Where do you see Jeter going forward? Do you move him out of SS? Do you consider trading him if he refuses? Do you keep him at SS knowing he is not very good even though this year it looks like he is better?
Also what do you think of JJ Hardy of the Brewers? Would he make a nice addition for the Yankees? I think there is chance the Brewers move him with Escobar waiting in the wings. Also Hardy becomes more expensive.
If you’re a fan of the team, you root for the laundry.
You go with the best option available and if that’s Pavano, I say, Go Carl.
Give it to Chase Wright. He deserves a spot start over some guy who’s used the Yankees for years and will only be using them again to try and get some sort of decent contract out of somebody next year. Pavano has not earned this shot. He doesn’t deserve it.
I voted “I’m not happy about it, but the Yankees need a pitcher.”
But I’m really feeling… Who cares? We need any quality pitching we can get, just as badly as we need our offense to hit with RISP.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… this Yankee team does not deserve to be in the playoffs. I would rather not make the playoffs than do, and be embarrassed in the first round, AGAIN.
Here’s looking to the transition/rebuilding year of 2009, that was supposed to be 2008.
What about Lyle Overbay for 1B, I believe he is a FA.
None of the current Yankees seem to be able to beat the
Orioles. Why not give Pavano a shot?
At least Igawa is healthy and has been pitching consistently in AAA. It takes a lot longer than a few rehab starts to be ready after TJ surgery. Pavano wasn’t a good pitcher to begin with and now he hasn’t faced major league pitching for over a year and only a few times in the past several years. I think Igawa would have a better chance at giving a quality start.
I live in DC & I’m driving up to see the game on Saturday. I think there’s a better chance of seeing Bigfoot on the mound than the American Idle. I will bring my camera to capture some evidence of this mysterious creature named Pavano.
Give it to Chase Wright. He deserves a spot start over some guy who’s used the Yankees for years and will only be using them again to try and get some sort of decent contract out of somebody next year. Pavano has not earned this shot. He doesn’t deserve it.
Chase Wright is a no go, they have already told him he’s going to start in AAA this weekend, so it’s between Hughes, Pavano and Zambrano.
“Here’s looking to the transition/rebuilding year of 2009, that was supposed to be 2008.”
Am i the only one who thinks were 1 or 2 players away from being contenders for the title ?
Hey you guys can mock me all you want but I have spiritual enlightenment unlike the rest of you who think life is hitting a few keys on a key board.
You have no idea what pressure I’ve been under the last 4 years and the painful injuries I’ve had to endure.
You think getting paid $40,000,000 and not earning it is easy?
See if you can do it.
Namaste
Carl
Lets put it this way, Pavano threw 100 innings in 2005, zero innings in 2006, 11.1 innings in 2007 and zero (major league) innings in 2008. So in the past 3 years he’s faced major league hitters in 11.1 innings. Coming off major surgery and rehab, do you really think he’d be any better than Wright, Igawa, my 80 year old grandma, etc?
I voted “I’m not happy about it.” But really, I think they should use him until his arm falls off. Time for the Yankees to get a return on that $40 million.
Nemo,
I agree that this team doesn’t deserve to be in the playoffs…and even if they do get there, they won’t get far. As a result, I’m of the belief that the shot should be given to a guy like Wright or Aceves and then eventually Hughes. I wouldn’t give Pavano the luxury of showing off for another team to earn a contract.
I understand the “if you’re a fan you root for whomever”, but I also feel I’m being realistic about this team and their chances. I’d rather go down with a young guy getting a shot than an overpaid, injury-prone FA to be.
Coming off major surgery and rehab, do you really think he’d be any better than Wright, Igawa, my 80 year old grandma, etc?
Ofcourse not.
Zambrano is coming off an injury like Pavano. To expect these guys to come into a MLB game after being away so long, into a playoff race, and do well, is unrealistic.
I say we make Pavano bat and then pay the opposing pitcher to peg him. I don’t care where but whatever happens, Pavano will be out for months even if it skins his shoes. Pavano will complain and cry adn I want to see him on the ground crying. Oh, and then, don’t put in a pinch runner. Let him suffer.
How do feel about Pavavo?
How does one feel about their bowel movement?
The thing about Aceves is as soon as he got into AAA, he has had trouble making the jump. He has like a 4.78 ERA and barely goes past 5 innings. I want him to succeed but bringing him to the majors is premature.
Had Hughes pitched well last weekend, I’d say let Carla rot in AA. Hughes was throwing very well up to that point.
Now, in the interest of not rushing Hughes back, let him pitch at least one more game in AAA and see how he does. And yes, that means let Carla earn at least a couple more dollars out of the 40M he stole.
Then demote his sorry a.. back to A ball for the rest of the season if Hughes throws well again this weekend.
Off the books:
Giambi-good-bye
Abreu- ??
Pettit, come back club friendly if possible
Moose, come back club friendly if possible
Go after CC, and Lyle Overbay 1B…………..
is Overbay a free agent next year?
09:
Damon LF
Jeter SS
A-rod 3rd
Hideki DH
X RF
Posada C, i hope
Overbay 1B
Cano 2nd
Gardner CF, for now
Rot:
CC, if we can get him
Joba
Wang
Pettit, club friendly or Hughes if not
Moose, club friendly or Hughes if not
This is final straw. I am outta here. Pete, your Pavano jokes are so old and unfunny. The relentless A-Rod bashing by both Pete and the posters is also quite old and tiresome. I know nobody will care, so no big deal….There are a few insightful posters on this blog that I will miss though. Adios!
I read this is Overbay’s contract year(08).
From your previous post
“If Sir Sid beats Roy Halladay tonight…”
right up there with
“If Abraham named to U.S. 4×100 relay team”
“A-Rod delivers again in postseason”
“Phil Hughes gets a win”
“Ian Kennedy lasts 4 innings in start”
I’m sure the club has an option on Lyle, but he made $6,000,000. this year maybe they won’t offer him abritration…
What if Pavano comes in and wins 4 out of 6 starts and looks fairly good doing it?
Does Cash sign him again and take the chance it wasn’t just a flash in the pan? Only to have him succumb to some mysterious injury at the start of next season. OMG!
Or does he pass on signing him and have him picked up by another team where he goes on to win 12 or more for them next season? Imagine the outcry that would create on this blog.
They should have DFA’d him a long time ago and paid him off and just moved on.
Where’s the “blame A-Rod option”?
“Abraham named to U.S. 4×100 relay teamâ€
Could you run for Jamaica instead?
I think Overbay will be 31…
LOL at the A-Rod jab thrown in there.
Rodriguez has had 108 plate appearances in the playoffs since joining the Yankees. Jokes about his “un-clutchness” based off the equivalance of 25 games is quite laughable. No one ever goes through a rough stretch, right? Oh, and A-Rod’s ‘rough stretch’ in the playoffs amounts to a .247/.343/.509 line. I wish I had .852 OPS slumps so I can get booed off the field after every time I make an out.
What have Jeter’s playoff numbers been since Rodriguez joined the team? .291/.348/.509.
BUT ZOMG DERECK JETER MR. NOVEMBUR AROD MORE LIKE GAYROD!!!
I’m still hoping it’s Hughes.
Instead of DFA, I meant they should have just released him and paid him off to be done with him and all his drama.
I think the Yanks get some money back from the Pavano contract if hi contract runs it’s course.
Somebody smarter about this would know, I believe that is why he’s still around.
“Does Cash sign him again and take the chance it wasn’t just a flash in the pan?”
Respectfully, I must ask… Are you insane? Are you surrounded by padded walls? How did you get ahold of a computer?
Just kidding. How does the saying go? I heard it first from my 7th grade football coach: “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me…” something like that.
Using Carla now is out of necessity, last resort. When the year is over, no-one will so much as wave goodbye.
sorry guys i cant pitch because my sphincter hurts.
sorry guys i cant pitch because my sphincter hurts.
sorry guys i cant pitch because my sphincter hurts.
They didn’t release him because they wanted to collect the insurance money to offset his wasted contract.
Pavano can come back and go 15 and 0 and lead us to a World Series. I still will not say anything but “it’s about time you earned something. Now get out.”
Even if Pavago goes 6-0 with a 2.34 ERA, you DO NOT re sign him. That’s just stupid.
I voted that I’m for bringing him back, but I do think he is to blame for his unwillingness to do more than collect a check and whine about his stiff neck or his fractured buttocks. My thoughts are that the man is a pro athlete and was at one point a MLB-caliber pitcher; he might be that now.
He’s being paid. If he’s any good, let’s have him win a few games. If, on the other hand, he’s lousy, he should be arrested then dumped in the Hudson.
Oops…forgot about the insurance money, still it’s the thought that counts. lol
[blockquote]Nemo,
I agree that this team doesn’t deserve to be in the playoffs…and even if they do get there, they won’t get far. As a result, I’m of the belief that the shot should be given to a guy like Wright or Aceves and then eventually Hughes. I wouldn’t give Pavano the luxury of showing off for another team to earn a contract.
I understand the “if you’re a fan you root for whomeverâ€, but I also feel I’m being realistic about this team and their chances. I’d rather go down with a young guy getting a shot than an overpaid, injury-prone FA to be.[/blockquote]
I agree. Which is exactly why I want to see guys like Gardner, Christian, and Ransom play more often than they do. I wish we’d DFA Betemit already.
I’m ready for Pavano, could be entertaining.
Man, I was just reading about Buccholz and his pounding in Baltimore…
And we think Hughes and Kennedy had it tough.
At least tho, Buccholz wasn’t an ass after the game like Kennedy was…
“After a game in which only 30 of his 60 pitches were for strikes, Buchholz was optioned to Double-A Portland.
“People have tough games. I’ve had a tough season,” said Buchholz, who spent two months in Triple-A from mid-May to July 11. “Down there is where you develop. Up here it’s a pennant race. … If you ask if the decision was right, I’d say it was.”"
Prospects are indeed only that until they prove otherwise. It may be a while before either the Sux’s or Yanks’ prospects become productive…
“Christian and Ransom play more often than they do.”
except Christian and Ransom arent kids or prospects.
Overbay is good, i like Casey Blake though.
LOL. There’s another A-rod in Women’s soccer (and the Packers, too)
I’d rather see Chase Wright than Pavano.
My greatest fear is that Pavano will come up and we’ll lose because he’s not ready. Feels like it’s too soon.
My second fear is the clubhouse chemistry. They should keep in the bullpen like a prized fighting bull. Release him in time for first pitch. So he’ll be raring (sp?) to go.
I know they’re big boys and are supposed to accept him, but human nature’s a powerful thing. Is there anyone in the Yankee organization that actually likes Carl?
How’s this for the power of advertising? The US women soccer team travel to Brazil and yells out in Portuguese, “We want a rematch!” And lo and behold, what did we get? Won’t be a spoiler for those of you on the East Coast.
I have to wonder if Saturday’s game was a home game, would Pavano still be in the mix as far as Cash was concerned?? I’m prayin’ for heavy monsoon rain in Baltimore on Saturday.
nemo you need to use the pointy brackets… not the square ones… [ ].
Bronx Jeers,
A BM is a necessary evil, right?
They said last night that Hughes was flip flopped with Chase Wright and is scheduled to pitch Friday in AAA so that seems to take him out of consideration for Saturday unless something changes in the next 36 hours.
Where’s the “Who Do You Think Will Actually Sign Pavano Next Year” poll?
Hiya, Slu.
Pete knows that he speaks for quite a few of his readers as well as himself when he makes light of the otherwise exasperating Pavano situation.
We want A-Rod to do well when he’s most needed. He doesn’t.
We’re not helping the team, but we’re not paid to do that. Pete is paid to report on the team, and we’re just hanging out expressing ourselves about what has turned into a frustrating nightmare.
But I suppose you think Damon’s still an every day CF.
“A-Rod delivers again in postseason.â€
Now was that really necessary?
I guess we will see about Pavano.
“LOL. There’s another A-rod in Women’s soccer (and the Packers, too)”
You mean Amy Rodriguez? That’s my friend haha. She goes to USC if thats who you mean. Too funny. My roommate dated her for a while weird to see her in Beijing
You left out my choice, run him over with a riding mower.
mel
I heard them calling Aaron Rodgers A-Rod last week. All the -Rod nicknames get on my nerves but that one in particular is such a stretch.
I think it will be good for Carl Pavano to face his teammates in the locker room. I can’t imagine they’re happy with him. Let’s hope he pitches well, and at the very least, for Pavano’s sake, let’s hope he doesn’t go on the disabled list again, especially for something trivial (again).
Remember the Andy Roddick “A-Rod” commercial for ESPN, haha
Priceless.
I cant believe my eyes, 122 people think that it’s not Pavano’s fault….
On which planet are you guys living?
If Hughes is not deemed ready, why not give Pavano one start and see what happens?
I suppose you could always go with the Aceves’s, Wright’s, or Igawa’s of the world, but hey, it’ll be amusing to see Pavano after all this time.
A-Rod has looked pathetic out there the past few games. When he is hitting its like a chicken running around with it’s head cut off. I have never seen a player of his caliber get blown away by so many 89 mph fastballs. He really needs to wake up or we really have no chance.
How great would it be if Carl was throwing a no hitter through like 8 innings and slipped going down the stairs causing career ending injuries.
Shocking revelation:
What is the key flaw of the New York Yankees?
by Frank Della Femina/NJ.com
Thursday August 21, 2008, 9:57 AM
AP Photo
Yankees defense cost them the game in Tuesday night’s 2-1 loss to the Toronto Blue Jays.One writer at Fox Sports tried to list every baseball playoff contender’s biggest weakness. While he didn’t hesitate to call the Yankees out on their defense, maybe Yankees fans can at least find some salvation in the team’s inclusion on a list of playoff contenders.
Dayn Perry on Fox Sports writes:
The Yankees rank a grim 25th in MLB in Defensive Efficiency, which is a measure of what percentage of balls in play a defense converts into outs. Given the presence of so many sub-optimal defenders on the roster, such a ranking hardly comes as a surprise. In fact, a good portion of the Yankees’ perceived pitching problems can be traced back to bad defense.
“People are always going to have opinions; you can’t help opinions. But as long as everybody in this clubhouse feels as though we can win, we’ll be fine.â€
QUOTING DEREK JETER
I loved reading this. I consider that to be the alpha and the omega, and I hope that the naysayers here take that as a little bit of an in-your-face and realize that you are really pretty down on the food chain in terms of having your opinion mean doodly squat to anyone but each other!
Now I feel the same way about the forum optimists, of which I am one. Our opinions are merely that. I think that we might have a tad more credibility than knee jerkers (who tend to be the constant naysayers) just because kneejerkers are just that in life and instead of trying to look at a bigger picture will immediately go negative.
Anyway, GOOD ON YOU DJ! We’re chaff and you guys are the wheat buddy.
GO YANKEES!!!!!
I don’t like the idea of giving Pavano a shot, because I think his only real motive is to showcase his wares so that he can get another big contract somewhere else for next year …
BUT
This team is not eliminated yet, or even totally out of it in the sense of being completely unlikely to make the playoffs. They have to use the personnel they have to try to get to the postseason, and if Pavano gives them the best chance to win, then they have to use him. Even if his motivation is to get the best possible new contract, who cares if his best efforts end up helping the Yankees? That’s what he’s being paid to do.
Also, as much as I hate the guy for the stupidity of crashing his Porsche into a garbage truck and hurting his ribs in the middle of a pennant race he could have helped them win, or for the asinine nature (poor pun intended) of his sore buttocks injury a few years back, his absence for the last year and a half was clearly legitimate. No one, not even Pavano, undergoes TJ surgery just for the fun of it so he can get paid for doing nothing.
So he should pitch on Sunday.
“How great would it be if Carl was throwing a no hitter through like 8 innings and slipped going down the stairs causing career ending injuries.”
Pretty great. on a scale of 1-10…9.5
Pavano eats innings
Yankees Ben,
I don’t get how needing Tommy John surgery is something Pavano chose?
Also, the car accident industry he kept under wraps, why wouldn’t he try to hide and battle through it? The guy was embarrassed and tried to pitch through it before he realized he was in legitimate pain.
The Red Sox may be downplaying Beckett’s situation publicly, but in a worst-case scenario, it could turn out to be a more serious matter.
Dr. Robert Shalvoy of University Orthopedics in Providence does not know the reason for Beckett’s numbness, but he understands the possible ramifications of the pitcher’s symptoms.
“The Sox need to treat this pretty seriously,†said Shalvoy.
The Sox can shut Beckett down and let the symptoms go away, but as the nerves in the elbow continue to weaken, it’s possible the right-hander could need surgery in two-to-three years, according to Shalvoy. The doctor also said that if the Red Sox decide to have Beckett go for a MRI the results will certainly show abnormalities because the pitcher has been throwing hard for a long time.
Shalvoy, who has not examined the pitcher, said normally the type of symptoms Beckett is experiencing take six weeks to go away.
“This is a big deal for the organization and for Beckett,†Shalvoy said. “He won’t get better by missing a start.â€
Shalvoy, who has preformed ulnar collateral ligament surgeries, described Beckett’s issue as “prime symptoms†for any pitcher who will eventually need Tommy John surgery to repair the damage.
http://www.projo.com/redsox/co.....34b8d.html
The other day Pete wrote:
“The return of Pavano would be terrific, if only to hear what Moose and The Big G would say”
Here is what Giambi had to say:
“If anything we are excited,” Jason Giambi said of Pavano….We need a win and he is a guy who can help. I hope we get the real Carl Pavano.”
from the NY Post
EDUB,
Sounds like her. Looks like a sweet girl.
Bio says she’s of Cuban descent. She looks like the girl next door, but she says her latina fire always comes out on the field.
Is she still single? We need to hook up A-rod with a real blonde like Amy (unlike Cynthia).
“A-Rod delivers again in postseason.â€
“Now was that really necessary?”
Pete’s got a razor sharp wit, what’s he supposed to do, not use it? You can hurt yourself suppressing witty comments. I know from experience.
“I think it will be good for Carl Pavano to face his teammates in the locker room. I can’t imagine they’re happy with him”
I can’t imagine they’ll remember him.
I wonder if Ponson invite him out for crabs.
I wonder if Ponson will invite him out for crabs.
pat,
I like Roddick better than Alex, but I guess Alex had it first?
The Aaron Rodgers one might be an attempt to make him, you know, relevant or something. Jets got better, Miami benefitted. Packers?
I would like to see one person on this board, and I mean just one person who would “give back” the $$$$ the yankees paid them and then they got injured again and then again, and then again.
No effing way.
Pavano’s situation is unfortunate these last few years, and from what I’ve heard he worked his ass off in rehab.
Don’t think for 1 minute that professional baseball teams don’t have insurance with Lloyds of London for each of their big players…
Quit the Pavano bashing, and as your stepping toward the exit from the bandwagon….”SEE YA!”
Nah shes dating a water polo player now apparently. Just a hunch though, but I bet she’d consider dumping him for a billionaire haha
Clay,
Not wanting to make anyone uncomfortable, Pavano will politely decline the invitation, “No thanks, I’ve already had some. Never again.”
“I’d rather see one of the prospects get a chance”.
Oh yeah, which awesome prospect should we give a chance to now?
Which overhyped, easily injured, AAAA quality, mentally weak, physically fragile prospect should we give the opportunity to blow a game for us?
Which one this time?
Doesn’t insurance cover some of the $40 million, though?
Seriously, I’d like to know.
Pete’s got a razor sharp wit, what’s he supposed to do, not use it? You can hurt yourself suppressing witty comments. I know from experience.
Eh, didn’t really think it was all that witty, considering Alex seems to be everyone’s favorite whipping boy. It was more..lame.
should we give it to Phil “I broke a rib coughing” Franchise?
how about Ian “I’m not too upset about it” Kennedy?
maybe alan “ouch my bicep” horne?
???
kei “here, hit this!” igawa?
alfredo “maybe you shouldn’t have rushed me thru AA” aceves?
which one would be best?
Bogeyman,
Nobody would fault a guy for getting injured. The Pavano perception, whether warranted or not, is of a guy that has no heart.
As for the insurance. There are very limited instances where a team can actually collect on an insurance policy. I wonder if Pavano’s situation (or situations) qualify.
i should amend my nickname for igawa to:
“the key to MLB success for me is for the club to allow me to do four hours of stretching and running before my starts”
Id rather see Chase Wright.
I don’t understand why Pavano is getting the shot. He hasn’t even earned it. The guy is a bum who’s pretty much sat around for the past 3 years. Why allow him to showcase himself to other teams? Screw him, let him rot in the minors where he belongs. Bum.
There is no reason to not want Pavano to pitch for the yankees this weekend. Theyre in need of a jump start and dont forget Pavano will be pitching for a new contract at this point, and he has to make up for a lot of lost time. I wouldn’t want to stunt hughes’ development/rehab based on the fact that we all don’t really like pavano much, if at all.
I guess it depends on how the policies are written.
Pavano threw well a few yrs back for the Marlins…
http://www.baseball-reference......ca01.shtml
Pavano on Saturday, Beckett’s condition has me wondering how effective he will be for the month or two left in the season.
This season get’s more interesting by the day.
“Why allow him to showcase himself to other teams? Screw him, let him rot in the minors where he belongs. Bum.”
My thoughts exactly. Give Chase a shot.
I bought a Melky jersey –
Well, you can say it’s a David Justice jersey. Or Steve ‘Bye-Bye’ Balboni. Or Karim ‘Knuckle-Up’ Garcia, Al Leiter, Charlie ‘King Kong’ Keller, Chad Curtis, or even Sparky Lyle.
In fact, here’s a whole list: http://www.yankeenumbers.com/p.....=%3D%2C%2C
mel
“Miami benefitted”
That’s debatable. They got Chadwick and have to face Brett twice a year. Those 2 scenarios could be win/win or lose/lose depending on who you ask.
chase wright has had 5 starts in AAA this year.
rumors are circulating that beckett’s symptoms might be indicative of a need for TJ surgery down the road. don’t know if thats been brought up here.
That’s just what the Yankees need…for Pavano to go out with Ponson and get crabs and be back on the DL.
Speaking of Jersey numbers. I hope they retire/burn Pavanoes number after the season. As they would say in beantown. Its cursed.
rumors are circulating that beckett’s symptoms might be indicative of a need for TJ surgery down the road. don’t know if thats been brought up here.
Yeh I heard that too. Sad if it’s true, because Josh isn’t getting that torque on his curveball and it indicates he can’t put pressure behind the ball.
pat,
Chadwick?
I was just saying that they got Chad Pennington, a legit NFL quarterback. As opposed to before when they had guys named Lemon!
I’d rather see every member of the pen get an inning before Carl Pavano gets to pitch here again.
His motives aren’t to help the Yankees. It is to get a new contract.
I’d prefer to see Chase Wright but with so little left at stake for this disappointing season, not much will matter who is out there not named Osama Bin Laden.
If by chance Pavano were to throw a complete game shutout, there would be the usual end of game high-five reception line of teammates from the dugout and a certain percentage of fans would be forgiving and the same for fans that won’t forget what 90% of his contract has been all about.
That’s just what the Yankees need…for Pavano to go out with Ponson and get crabs and be back on the DL.
He might already have Crabs..
Clay Buchholz stole my laptop (My Latest Blog Entry: Maybe the tough love approach will work? Great video, too)
August 21st, 2008 at 11:51 am
“A-Rod delivers again in postseason.â€
“Now was that really necessary?â€
Pete’s got a razor sharp wit, what’s he supposed to do, not use it? You can hurt yourself suppressing witty comments. I know from experience.
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Perhaps PA has a razor sharp wit, but, he only seems to use it half the time.
Didn’t Pavano refuse to come off the 40 man roster when we asked him to sign a minor league deal?
About time Pete throws a jab at A-rod…. more newspapers should…
Hughes you are correct.
ITALIANO!!!!!
What are you talking about? Alex is the whipping boy.
Hey Pavano can pitch to Pudge, Pudge should remember what Pavano has for pitch’s.
Maybe that’s why the Yanks went after Pudge anticipating Carl’s return.
I can’t get over how many people say Pavano is important down the stretch. I am not even convinced he will make it to his start on Saturday, and if he does, that he wont leave the game with an injury. What have you seen that convinces anyone he will be important down the stretch. I for one am not willing to put what little hope there still is to make up the WC games on the Sox and Twins on Mr. Minor Injury.
mel
I know what you meant. Whether Chad is a legitimate quarterback is questioned by some in NY.
Chad is short for Chadwick. His real name is James Chadwick Pennington.
These next 5 weeks are going to be like watching a season of 24. Everyday will end wondering if Jack will finally die/Yankees. Wondering how they are going to get out of it this jam.
With Beckett and Wakefield hurt. Im back on the life bandwagon. Till the 24th hour ends. I will continue to think that it is a right for the Yankees to be in the playoffs. Some way Some how, we will get in. Stay tuned.
With apologies to Johnny Cash:
CASH-MAN COMES AROUND
And I heard, as it were, the noise of thunder: One of the four starters saying: “Come and see.” And I saw. And behold, a white horse.
There’s a Cash-man goin’ ’round takin’ names. An’ he decides who to throw and who to flame. Everybody won’t be treated all the same. There’ll be a golden ladder reaching down. When Cash-man comes around.
The hairs on your arm will stand up. At the terror in each pitch and in each pop-up. Will you pitch, have another injury, or “hiccup?” Or disappear into the pitcher’s mound. When Cash-man comes around.
Hear Giambi, hear Mussina. One hundred million fans a groanin’. Multitudes are marching to Freddy Sez’ little kettle drum. Eiland’s callin’, Carl is cryin’. Tabata’s gone an’ Ponson’s flyin’. It’s George and Hank and Hal’s Kingdom come.
And the whirlwind is in the bullpen. The rookies are all trimming their mitts. The whirlwind is in the bullpen. It’s hard for Carl to kick against the pricks.
Till playoff time, no Shalam, no Shalom. Then the Joe Girardi will call his chickens home. The Red Sox will bow down before the Yankee throne. And at his feet they’ll give up the golden crown. When Cash-man comes around.
Whoever is uninjured, let him be uninjured still. Whoever is hot at the plate, let him be hot at the plate still. Whoever is Manny, let him be Manny still. Listen to the lineup long written down, When Cash-man comes around.
Hear the Joba, hear the Damon. Two hundred million dollars wastin’. Multitudes are marchin’ to Freddie Sez’ little kettle drum. Roll callin’, bleacher creatures. Some are drunk an’ some are pukin’. It’s Pavano’s and Zambrano’s Kingdom come.
And Suzyn Waldman is in the press box. Jon Sterling is trimming his wick. Goodness Gracious! She’s in the press box. It’s hard for Carl to kick against the pricks.
In measured hundred-millions and penny pound. When Cash-man comes around.
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four starters, And I looked and behold: a pale horse. And his name, that sat on him, was Carl. And Hell followed with him.
Here’s how I feel about Pavano:
If you can come and get us some wins Carl, welcome back.
Pure gold =)
I’m perfectly willing to give Carl another chance — I think at this point its better to support him and hope for the best, than it is to hope that he fails or gets injured for the satisfaction of feeling smarter than the organization.
Willing, yes. Optimistic, no.
I’m trying to stifle back some vomit as I say this, but I’d prefer Kei Igawa.
I have nothing good to say about Carl Pavano. I think he’s a skunk. That said I am a Yankee fan first and foremost. If Brian Cashman thinks he’s the best choice to pitch Saturday, I’ll put my negative feelings on the shelf and root for him to do well. But I’ve watched him pitch in Trenton and I have not been impressed with his velocity. I wonder if he’s ready (or willing) to pitch for the Yankees. There is a definite possibility that this could be a disaster, I hope not, but it could be one time around in the lineup and out he goes.
I have one question– what about Chase Wright? He’s on the 40-man roster already and he’s actually done quite nicely for himself this season between Trenton and Scranton. He has MLB experience too. I wouldn’t be so quick to sour on him because of that one horrific inning against the Red Sox last April. Other than that, I thought he pitched pretty decently.
….Or maybe Ponson gets ahold of Pavano and gives him a case of crabs.
–SteveB
Bring Pavano back, lets see what he can give the Yanks. Bring up wright or let the kids play but please throw away the Kei (Igawa).
I say make Pavano pitch every inning of every game until he needs a second Tommy John surgery.
Another jab at A-Rod…….sheesh.
I despise Pavano, but it’s the right move. Let Phil get all the work in he needs at AAA; we’ll know it when he’s ready.
I bought a Melky jersey
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thats funny..
Who is wearing his number now?
I imagine Pavano throwing a no-no threw five and then the Orioles bat boy will give him the stink eye and its off the mound and back to the DL.
We cna give Carl Pavano a chance to prove himself.Maybe he can gain win for Yankees.
Hey Pete, how staggering was it feeling you were playing for your lives with Shawn Chacon and Aaron Small? It was until it wasn’t.
Playing for your lives with Rasner and Ponson should only feel staggering if you’re a loser. Both have more than shown they’re equal to the task. Which brings me to another point. I don’t care if Ponson ends up giving up 25 runs tonight (well I do care, but I’m just trying to make a point here) – we should still bring out the fatted calf and have a celebration for what he has done for the Yankees. I am sick to death of the Yankee fan cum “what have you done for me lately” crew. If you don’t have the common sense to appreciate a body of work intead of heaving every time something doesn’t go your way, try the BabiesRUs site!
Pavano is the only pitcher to make more than Clemens per pitch.
According to Tyler Kepner of the NY Times = Pavano to start on Saturday.
Imagine he pitches well down the stretch and we make it. In that case it takes a little sting out of the contract.
If he is a mutt on the mound. F him and leave him out there till his arm falls off.
this picking on Pavano is truly lame. the guy had multiple surgeries. it’s been unfortunate, kind of like what happened to Don Gullett’s Yankee career in the 1970s. but it’s not like Pavano did anything to merit all the tabloid abuse.
Good for him that he’s back, it would be a fairly quick recovery for TJ surgery. Go Pavano.
he is a good pitcher, he can do the job, wait an see.
Send Pavano to the mound. Pavano deserves all the criticism he is getting, but times are hard right now. It would be great if the Yankees got back in it, as unlikely as that is the cannot just start bringing up kids. That would send a bad message to the veterans they have on the team who are still fighting.
Baseball doesn’t have the strongest union in the business for nothing, if this were football Pavano would have been cut a long time ago and stealing money from the Cowboy instead.
We need Pavano!!
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Pavano is being showcased for a trade or a dump – the ynakees won’t keep him. If he appears serviceable he goes in a package over the winter.
Irony – Pavano was the fits to jump from the Championship – Beat the yankees in 6 – famous JT – i think I’ll use Weaver here series — and the yankees get the Short end of the stick — the Red Sox get Beckett – who leads them to 2 WS
Rays – get Burnett who kills Yankees
Yankees get Big Useless from the 2001 D’Backs Mariano error on the bunt (never mind the flare) beat the Yanks series –
he underperfromas against the Little Sisters of the Poor — Red Socks get the Bloody Sock Shilling from the same team –
go on to break the curse
And exactly why do we love the fornt office here??
Oh back to the point — good business testing Pavano – maybe there is a Buck $ to be extracted — but better to write him off – and give the kids in the minors a taste of the Bigs and some experience
Drop Sidney — see I was kind yesterday and the WHIP was lucking all the time — and ive the kids a chnace to get over the Jitters and Let them Play 1 in the House that Soonn Won’t Be Here
WELL,THINK THE STORY OF THE IDLE MAN IS GOING TO BE THE BEST IN LONG TIME.THE PITCHER WHO NO WIN 16 GAME ON A SEASON, BUT WIN THE REALLY IMPORTANT GAME IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER THIS YEAR,THE STORYS NAME? THE MIRACLE F CARL PAVANO. FORGET THE PAST UNTIL YESTERDAY!!! TODAY AND BEYOND IS THE SORY OF THE YEAR GUYS LIKE MOOOOSE A HEALTHY PAVANO A DOMINANT PETTITE AND A COURAGE JOBA PLUS THE CONSISTENCE OF DARELL JUST THE RESULT IS ONE: WINREAD AND REMEMBER ME. A MIRACLE COMING!!!
Pavano represents yet another Cashman mistake along with
Randy Johnson, Vasquez, Kevin Brown, Benitez, Farnsworth etc! I thought Pavano retired after Cashman the Moron
gave him the big contract! My mistake!LOL!