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Game 127: Yankees at Blue Jays

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 21, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES (67-59)
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady LF
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
I. Rodriguez C
Ponson RHP

Sidney Ponson (7-3, 4.19) vs. the Toronto hitters.

Roy Halladay (14-9, 2.64) vs. the New York hitters.

Notes: This is the final game of the series. The Yankees are 6-5 against the Jays this season. … The Yankees have won 3 of 4. … The first two games in the series were played in four hours and 50 minutes. That’s about normal for a Sunday night ESPN game against the Red Sox. … The Yankees are 58-0 when leading after eight innings. … The Red Sox and Rays are off today.

HERE COMES THE CAPTAIN: Derek Jeter is 16 of his last 28 (.571). The hot streak has raised his average from .281 to .298.

NO HALLADAY: Harry Leroy Halladay is 2-1, 2.05 against the Yankees this season and 5-1, 1.93 since 2005.

Halladay has thrown 14 consecutive scoreless innings against the Yankees going back to his start against them on June 3. In those 14 innings, they have put eight runners on base (five on base hits).

MAKING ADJUSTMENTS: Pudge Rodriguez was 10 of 17 with four extra-base hits against Halladay. He is 0 for 9 since.

HA: Alex Rodriguez is 1 for 8 in the series with four strikeouts. But he tends to hammer the ball here (.315 career average, 31 homers). He is 16 of 55 in his career against Halladay with no homers.

SIR SIDNEY: Ponson has not faced the Jays since 2006. He is 7-10, 4.59 against them in his career.

KEEP IT UP: Yankee pitching in the series: 17 innings, 10 hits, 3 runs.

NOT SO BIG G: Jason Giambi is 1 for 18 over the last fiive games with five strikeouts. His batting average has gone from .257 to .246. ‘Stache II has not been a good sequel.

Back later with updates.

JOBA UPDATE, 5:11 p.m.: Joba Chamberlain repeated the throwing program he had on Tuesday and added 20 fastballs from 60 feet on level ground.

“I let a couple go, it felt good,” he said.

Chamberlain will throw a 30-pitch bullpen off a mound in Baltimore on Saturday – only fastballs and changeups. They’re holding off on breaking pitches.

Joe Girardi did not say what the next step would be after the bullpen other that to acknowledge Chamberlain would have other steps to take before getting into a game with the Yankees.

Your guess is as good as mine in terms of when Chamberlain could pitch in the majors. But if he’s coming back as a starter (which seems to be the case) we’re talking at least two weeks to get his arm strong enough. So that’s sometime in the second week of September at the earliest.

UPDATE, 6:43 p.m.: Joe D’Ambrosio of WTIC in Hartford had me on his show for an interview today. You can listen here if you’re interested.

Joe, who also works for ESPN Radio nationally, is the voice of the UConn Huskies and a big Yankees fan.

UPDATE, 7:10 p.m.: Derek Jeter has 16 hits in last 28 at-bats. So of course he tries to bunt in the first inning against Roy Halladay. Jeter fouls off the bunt and strikes out on four pitches. I just don’t get it.

UPDATE, 7:35 p.m.: That’s 16 straight scoreless innings against the Yankees for Roy Halladay. Meanwhile, Sir Sidney has allowed four hits in 1.1 innings. But at least Carl Pavano is pitching Saturday.

UPDATE, 7:37 p.m.: 2-0? Yeah, that should about it. They avoided a sweep and remained in third place. That’s a successful series for the 2008 Yankees.

That’s too negative. Maybe they’ll hit Halladay. It could happen. He has nine losses, somebody hit him.

UPDATE, 8:01 p.m.: Ponson picked the wrong time to have his worst start of the season. he leaves having allowed eight hits in 2+ innings and five runs (so far). David Robertson inherits two runners with no outs.

Unless a walrus sneaks in from the tundra and attacks Roy Halladay in the dugout sometime in the next few innings, there is no chance the Yankees win this game.

Six out in the wild card with 35 games to play. Yikes.

UPDATE, 8:43 p.m.: In all seriousness, could we see a position player pitch this evening? It’s 10-0 and they still need to get 12 outs. You can’t have Chris Britton throw 80 pitches, can you?

There was eventually going to be a season when the Yankees didn’t make the playoffs. That was inevitable. But who thought it would be this ugly? This goes way beyond injuries and bad luck.

UPDATE, 8:56 p.m.: They’ll DFA Billy Traber after this game, right? I mean they have to.

UPDATE, 9:19 p.m.: And the Blue Jays don’t score!

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943 Responses to “Game 127: Yankees at Blue Jays”

  1. chr1zis August 21st, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Cmon Joe.. just try Nady in the 5th spot

  2. Matt - NYY fan in Boston August 21st, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    pete, you have 2 left fielders

  3. There's still time August 21st, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Halladay is gonna give us hell tonight.

  4. RalphieD August 21st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Lets Go Yanks!!!

  5. Timothy Clougher August 21st, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Giambi 1-18 in his last 5 games, and Gardner sits……..laughable……….

  6. saucY August 21st, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    pfft… centerfielders are overrated anyway…

  7. A-Fraud August 21st, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    giambi has to be moved down.. we need nady in that 5th spot.. but i think girardi likes having lefty righty throughout most of the line up

  8. Timothy Clougher August 21st, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Hey LF will be crowed with Damon and X over there any chance Gardner is going to CF. :)

  9. Al from BK(Broadway Brett will own the G-men) August 21st, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    “Halladay is gonna give us hell tonight.”

    You mean like how he always does, I’d say thats a safe bet.

  10. A-Fraud August 21st, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Pete has two left fielders cause JOhnny is no center fielder

  11. frits August 21st, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    welp. could you put together a more discouraging pregame note section than that?

    its ok, i figured we were losing anyway.

    oh what the hell, go yanks!

  12. Matt - NYY fan in Boston August 21st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    “welp. could you put together a more discouraging pregame note section than that? ”
    Saturday’s pregame blog post should be more discouraging

  13. Timothy Clougher August 21st, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    If Gardner starts we knock Roy out in the 2nd inning..

  14. KING FELIX August 21st, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    prediction

    halladay might throw a complete game

  15. wolf man (2008 is over) August 21st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    i can’t wait until giambi is off the books.

  16. saucY August 21st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    “If Gardner starts we knock Roy out in the 2nd inning..”

    can you give it a rest already? it was old last month…

  17. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Saturday’s pregame blog post should be more discouraging

    Not really it’ll be a hoot but god forbid it gets hurt before that start.

  18. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 21st, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    That left field’s gonna be a little crowded, isn’t it?

  19. 2008 Yankees August 21st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    They need Giambi to bunt a freakin ball down towards 3rd EVERYTIME UP because that is the only way he will get on base tonight. The Yankees are trying to WIN games now and he is not helping by giving up free hits.

  20. Al from BK(Broadway Brett will own the G-men) August 21st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    “prediction

    halladay might throw a complete game”

    Why not hes got 8, go for 9 Doc our boys will help you out.

  21. Doreen August 21st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Give Pete some credit. At least he’s just giving the facts. In this morning’s Star Ledger Ed Price went so far as to say to “pencil in” tonight’s game as a loss. I mean, I know Halladay’s good, and I know his reoord against the Yankees. But I will always believe that on any given day, etc. They don’t play the games on paper.

  22. YANKSFANMC August 21st, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Call me crazy, but i have this strange feeling that the Yanks are going to win tonight

  23. dan 771 August 21st, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    would you guys sign frucal and move jeter to CF?

  24. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Doreen this team can’t hit power pitchers, they just haven’t.

  25. James August 21st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    I wish the yankees would have 2 LF’ers…because we don’t seem to have a player that can play CF!

    just joking..

  26. Bobby August 21st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    http://theblogofchampions.com/.....son-plans/

  27. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 21st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    As long as it’s better than the last time when Halladay two-hit the Yanks.

  28. ERâ„¢ (The Final Seasonâ„¢) August 21st, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    All right, I’ll be the first one to call it —- Perfect game for Halladay tonight (with 15 K’s)!

  29. TKinDC August 21st, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    “n the same article, Gammons says the Tigers may have to reduce their payroll by $40MM next season. Gammons believes it will be very difficult, noting they are already committed to more than $100MM for ’09.”

    No CC for them I guess :)

  30. Al from BK(Broadway Brett will own the G-men) August 21st, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    “would you guys sign frucal and move jeter to CF?”

    Easy sign Furcal. Trade Cano for Kemp problem solved.

  31. Meaningless Stats August 21st, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    As I posted this morning….

    Power pitchers vs. NYY this season -

    Beckett – 3-1, 3.25 ERA (27 IP, 20 Ks)
    Brunett – 3-0; 1.63 ERA (22 IP, 24 Ks)
    E. Santana – 1-0; 0.00 ERA (8 IP, 8 Ks)
    Halladay – 2-1; 2.05 ERA (22 IP, 14 Ks)
    Greinke – 1-1; 1.63 ERA (19.1 IP, 13 Ks)
    Sabathia – 0-1; 1.50 ERA (8 IP, 8 Ks)
    Kazmir – 1-1; 1.64 ERA (11 IP, 12 Ks)
    Lester – 2-0; 1.13 ERA (16 IP, 16 Ks)
    Cueto – 0-1; 1.80 ERA (5 IP, 7 Ks)
    J. Santana – 1-1; 4.61 ERA (13.2 IP, 13 Ks) :)
    Cabrera – 3-0; 3.05 ERA (20 IP, 9 Ks)
    Peavy – 0-1; 6.75 ERA (4 IP, 4 Ks)
    Shields – 0-2; 2.92 ERA (12.1 IP, 11 Ks)
    Volquez – 1-0; 2.57 ERA (7 IP, 5 Ks)
    C. Lee – 1-0; 0.00 ERA (7 IP, 7 Ks)
    Gallagher – 0-0; 3.60 ERA (5 IP, 7 Ks)
    Oswalt – 0-1; 4.76 ERA (5 IP, 6 Ks)
    McGowen – 0-0; 5.56 ERA
    E. Jackson – 1-1; 2.59 ERA (24 IP, 16 Ks)
    O. Perez – 2-0; 1.84 ERA (16 IP, 14 Ks)
    Guhtrie – 1-1; 2.70 ERA (14 IP, 9 Ks)
    Lackey – 0-0; 4.76 ERA (14 IP, 9 Ks)
    F. Hernandez – 0-1; 9.53 ERA (5.2 IP, 3 Ks)
    Garza – 1-0; 0.00 ERA (7 IP, 3 Ks)

    Power pitchers vs. NYY in 2007

    E. Santana – 0-0; 27.00 ERA
    Brunett – 1-0; 0.60 ERA
    Halladay – 1-0; 2.38 ERA
    Beckett – 2-1; 4.39 ERA
    Haren – 1-0; 6.97 ERA
    Lackey – 0-0; 2.38 ERA
    Cain – 0-1; 9.00 ERA
    McGowen – 2-2; 5.25 ERA
    Maine – 0-1; 9.00 ERA
    Carmona – 0-1; 4.15 ERA
    Perez – 2-0; 1.20 ERA
    Webb – 0-1; 3.86 ERA
    D. Cabrera – 1-3; 6.67 ERA
    Greinke – 0-0; 11.05 ERA
    Shields – 0-2; 14.46 ERA
    Meche (if he counts) – 0-2; 6.75 ERA
    Matsuzaka – 2-1; 6.12 ERA
    Gutrie – 1-0; 5.29 ERA
    E. Jackson – 1-1; 5.87 ERA
    Marcum – 0-2; 5.59 ERA

  32. fred from jersey August 21st, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Guys. Ponson plans on pitching around center field. RELAX.

  33. Timothy Clougher August 21st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    saucY:

    No I won’t give it a rest, as long as I have to keep watching Giambi in the 5 hole, 1-18, benching him would solve more than 1 issue in the line-up, against Roy this is the perfect time for small ball and bunting. Everyone said Giambi can’t bunt, well he can’t hit either, so why is he still in there.

  34. commonwealth August 21st, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    nady stands behind damon in case the ball pops out of his mitt?

  35. Doreen August 21st, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Brandon -

    It’s not that I expect them to beat Halladay. It’s just that I’m not willing to give up before the first pitch is thrown. I’m not dumb. And even pitchers like Halladay have a bad day every now and again, so why not hope for one tonight? It’s not like I’ve got money bet on it or anything. :lol:

  36. Matt - NYY fan in Boston August 21st, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    I still don’t know why Giambi just won’t bunt towards the 3rd base line in a situation. In a late inning situation he should do that, than have Gardner PR for him, Gardner steals 2nd, and scores on a single.

  37. frits August 21st, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    “prediction

    halladay might throw a complete game”

    that something might happen is not a prediction. sheesh.

  38. SJ44 August 21st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Furcal is having major back surgery. Why would you want to sign a SS coming off major back surgery when you don’t need a SS?

    Derek Jeter is not changing positions this off-season. You can save yourselves a lot of time and blog space by understanding that simple fact. Its not going to happen.

    **Programming alert** Carl Pavano may be a guest on Kay’s show at 5:40 pm. Kay said he is “trying” to get him on.

    Say this for Pavano, if he does the interview, its not like he is trying to hide. In that regard, its a step up for him.

    The funny part about all of the craziness that’s happened to the guy (I live in South Florida. Believe me, the stories about him don’t even touch some of the stuff that out there re: his off field shananigans) is, he can pitch when healthy.

    Its the “when healthy” stuff that gets in the way.

    He’s a strange, strange guy. Then again, so is Sidney Ponson, and he’s done a good job for the Yankees.

    At this point, you take help from whomever can give it to you.

  39. JB (Blue Jays Fan) August 21st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    I am off to tonight’s game at the Rogers Centre.

    Roy Halladay is one of the nicest baseball players I have ever met (he even stops his car by the parking lot to sign autographs for kids that recognize him), but he looks like a mean SOB on the mound. If he is on tonight, it will be very tough for the Yankees to get baserunners. He won’t fool around because he will pound the strike zone so “working the count” will find you 0-2 most of the time.

    The Blue Jays pop gun offence will do their best to make Sir Sidney look like Halladay. I really hope Cito starts Zaun and Eckstein (although Halladay has said he wants MacDonald) because this team needs runs. Preventing them has not been a problem.

    Roy Halladay has lost at least two complete games this year 1-0. That is horrible.

  40. 2008 Yankees August 21st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Halliday hasn’t had a BAD outing in a while. Maybe tonight is the night he had bad location. He does seem to STEP UP against better teams though. Cincinati scored 5 runs off him this year and they suck.

  41. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    **Programming alert** Carl Pavano may be a guest on Kay’s show at 5:40 pm. Kay said he is “trying” to get him on.

    Might be the first DL’d MLB player in history for a strained throat.

  42. Y's Guy August 21st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    i still dont give up!

    and i dont concede tonights game either!

  43. Timothy Clougher August 21st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Brandon:

    LOL

  44. mel August 21st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    I’m glad the guys who think we don’t have a chance won’t be around during the game. I mean who would watch a game that’s a guaranteed loss?

  45. Jose August 21st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Will we offer Pavano arbitration?

  46. ANSKY August 21st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    I missed the Pavano Poll a few threads ago.

    I say (well he’s going to pitch anyways so … ) so let him pitch. He better have the humblest presence regardless of his performance.

    If he does well, he owes the team. If he doesn’t do well, nobody will be surprised and he should be aware that it couldn’t possibly worsen his reputation.

    If the team makes the playoffs with his help, he shouldn’t expect any thanks. If the team doesn’t make the playoffs it wasn’t his fault they weren’t going to make it anyways. Either way, the point is he’s not really considered a real part of the team whether they succeed or not, at least by me and Yanks fans I know personally. I/we hope he does well and will cheer for the team, both without actually cheering for him. I/we can only assume others think this way.

  47. Matt - NYY fan in Boston August 21st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Jose: Why offer Pavano arbitration? He’s not a type b or a type a

  48. JB (Blue Jays Fan) August 21st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    If Halladay gets a big lead, he throws it down the middle and lets the defence take over. It also leads to some runs. But if the club scores a tonne of runs for him, he thinks that trying to strike guys out is a waste of pitches. That’s his game.

  49. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter. August 21st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    We know Halladay is never a day at the beach. But we have to hope that today is the day we get to him. And so that is my hope!

    :)

    GO SIDNEY!

    (Anyone notice that “brettisgod” doesn’t come around when Gardner isn’t playing? I don’t know if I should hope that Gardner never plays anymore or hope that brettisgod learns to root for more than Garnder and sees his way clear to better objectivity!)

  50. mel August 21st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Kay’s a mastermind. Have Carl on the show. Ask something really stupid. Carl either blows an artery or strangles Kay. Either way, Carl never steps on the mound on Saturday.

    I’ll be so mad if we lose on Saturday because of Carl. I might blow a gasket.

  51. Al from BK(Broadway Brett will own the G-men) August 21st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Pavano: To miss start on Saturday due to a severe ear injury he sustained while wearing a headset on the Michael Kay show.

  52. JR Yankees August 21st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    “NO HALLADAY: Harry Leroy Halladay is 2-1, 2.05 against the Yankees this season and 5-1, 1.93 since 2005…”

    Did anyone else see the NO HALLADAY part and let out a blood curdling scream and cheers thinking he was scratched for the night?

    Ok, maybe it was wishful thinking.

  53. Forntoso August 21st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    What could a package of Igawa, Duncan, Britton, and Traber net us? We need to clear some room on the roster and make a 4-1 type trade.

  54. frits August 21st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    SJ – that’s a good tease about his off-field shenanigans. can you give us a good example?

  55. saucY August 21st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Timothy, your post was about Gardner knocking out Halliday in the 2nd inning, not Giambi’s presence in the line-up. Regardless, it’s basically been the same exact posts from you the past 2 or 3 days. we get it.

  56. SJ44 August 21st, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Trisha,

    With the posts Timothy has put up today re: Gardner, me thinks he is brettisgod’s alter ego.

  57. Joey's Poodle August 21st, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    SJ44, appreciate the good sense.

    And frankly I don’t mind if the guy is strange, I’m not going to play golf with him or bring him home for dinner.

    Any non-felon who can give us a good start is welcome.

    In fact, at this stage, maybe I should drop that qualification and say anyone who can give us a good start…

  58. Timothy Clougher August 21st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Trisha:

    Please I know Giambi is your idol, but betimet should play right now in front of Giambi.

  59. Al from BK(Broadway Brett will own the G-men) August 21st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    “Did anyone else see the NO HALLADAY part and let out a blood curdling scream and cheers thinking he was scratched for the night?

    Ok, maybe it was wishful thinking.”

    I did I’m still upset I thought that was a bit of trickery on Pete’s part.

  60. Alan August 21st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    On the bright side, there’s only 36 more possible times that Giambi can be seen in a Yankee uniform.

  61. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Kay was always very supportive of Carl for some reason.

    I hope they can somehow win this game tonight. :|

  62. SJ44 August 21st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    frits,

    Let’s just say, he can give Jeter a run for his money on the nightlife and with Maxim 100 women.

  63. 2008 Yankees August 21st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    “What could a package of Igawa, Duncan, Britton, and Traber net us? We need to clear some room on the roster and make a 4-1 type trade”

    That would get us 3 dozen baseballs, 4 Maple bats and 1 bottle of Tylenol Relief

  64. Timothy Clougher August 21st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    saucY:

    So you can post your opinion, but you don’t like mine.

  65. ANSKY August 21st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Brandon … I wouldn’t want to know how he strained his throat if that’s what ended up happening.

    Kay: “I kept calling Pavano’s agent and all I could find out is that he hadn’t returned from a night of clubbing in Chelsea.”

  66. frits August 21st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    “Any non-felon who can give us a good start is welcome.”

    So…about Sidney then…

  67. frits August 21st, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    SJ – i see.

    hey, at least he’s good at something!

  68. bavd backwards August 21st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    keep Giambi in the 5th spot ???? What a moron…..!!! Girardi,,,,after this team barely finished above .500, have fun managing the Toledo HudHens….

  69. bavd backwards August 21st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    finished = finishes (oops)

  70. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Kay was always very supportive of Carl for some reason.

    Yeh he rips on Hughes time after time after time but keeps it zipped when it comes to Carl, IDK it’s bizarro world I guess.

  71. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Beckett had a bad day Sunday (well he’s actually have an off season), so why not Halladay?

  72. Timothy Clougher August 21st, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    If you at least put Betimet in the line-up, you can move Hideki to the 5th hole.

    Unfortunatly I cannot post from my home while watching the games, I live in VA out in the country only have dial-up connectivity, or fortunately for those that only like to hear thier own opinions.

  73. JR Yankees August 21st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    I posted this in the previous thread:

    Carl Pavano has started 19 games going 5-6 with a 4.77 ERA.
    Over the course of the 111.1 IP he has thrown 1701 pitches.

    The startling cost for the Yankees is $23,486.18 per major league pitch!

    Now, that cost will go down with each pitch he throws from here on out, but honestly, how long do you think he will last during the remaining 1 1/4 months?

  74. Rob NY August 21st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    So I guess I just never noticed it before but why does Harry Leroy Halladay go by a short version of his middle name? I know Lou Gherig’s first name wasn’t Lou and countless others have chosen their own name but is there a story with why Roy goes by Roy?

  75. Al from BK(Broadway Brett will own the G-men) August 21st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    “What could a package of Igawa, Duncan, Britton, and Traber net us? We need to clear some room on the roster and make a 4-1 type trade.”

    A bucket of balls, 6 pack of beer and perhaps a free voucher to the local Six flags.

  76. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Beckett had a bad day Sunday (well he’s actually have an off season), so why not Halladay?

    Because Beckett might need surgery, Halliday hasn’t show any signs of strains. People in Boston think Josh might need TJS which could be a scary turn of events for thier season.

  77. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Yeh he rips on Hughes time after time after time but keeps it zipped when it comes to Carl, IDK it’s bizarro world I guess.

    I know. He’s so strange.
    He rips on Phil and would probably trade him for a lollipop, yet whenever I hear him talking about Pavano, he’s slurping him.
    Whatever!

  78. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    “What could a package of Igawa, Duncan, Britton, and Traber net us? We need to clear some room on the roster and make a 4-1 type trade.”

    Maybe if you throw in Giambi we can get the team some candy back in the locker room. We’ll start with non sugar items. Slim Jims and work our way to cotton candy and ice cream for each player.

  79. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    “What could a package of Igawa, Duncan, Britton, and Traber net us? We need to clear some room on the roster and make a 4-1 type trade.”

    A Washington Nationals ticket stub

  80. PBL August 21st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    I still don’t understand why Giambi won’t just bunt down 3b..I mean if a pitcher throws him 4 balls he takes the walk, I don’t get why he doesn’t take a free base if they use that shift.

  81. mel August 21st, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    frits,

    Is Sidney a felon? Literally? As far as I know the only crime he’s been guilty of is attacking an Aruban judge on the beach.

  82. SJ44 August 21st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    None of the Pavano numbers are pretty. Nobody is denying that.

    Fact is, he’s pitching Saturday. At this point, all we can hope for is he gives them a chance to win when he pitches.

    That’s it. Can’t change the past and even if he pitches lights out, its really not going to change his rep with many Yankees fans.

    My point is, his past is irrelevent right now. Phil Hughes has been hurt as much as Pavano the last two years and he’s only 22.

    Bottom line is, if this team wants to even sniff at a playoff spot, he needs to pitch well.

    In that regard, I hope he pitches well and the past is just that…..the past.

  83. Matt - NYY fan in Boston August 21st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    “What could a package of Igawa, Duncan, Britton, and Traber net us? We need to clear some room on the roster and make a 4-1 type trade.”
    Nick Punto

  84. Jose August 21st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    “What could a package of Igawa, Duncan, Britton, and Traber net us?”

    It could probably net us Holliday or Tulowitzki.

  85. Rob NY August 21st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    “What could a package of Igawa, Duncan, Britton, and Traber net us?”

    Pujols and Carpenter

  86. Al from BK(Broadway Brett will own the G-men) August 21st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    “So I guess I just never noticed it before but why does Harry Leroy Halladay go by a short version of his middle name? I know Lou Gherig’s first name wasn’t Lou and countless others have chosen their own name but is there a story with why Roy goes by Roy?”

    Harry Halladay sounds kind of silly maybe he wanted something that sounded more bad-ass. Roy “Doc” Halladay now thats a name.

  87. Joe I August 21st, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    “What could a package of Igawa, Duncan, Britton, and Traber net us? We need to clear some room on the roster and make a 4-1 type trade.”

    In that trade, if offered to another team, Cashman would get an are you serious? Followed by a laugh and the click of the phone.

  88. LLIME August 21st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Sidney isn’t a felon… hes a drunk.

    Didn’t he show up drunk for a start when he was with the Rangers or something? LOL, thats hilarious. How could you do that?

  89. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    After reading a post on the last thread on doing a Sheffield with Pavano. I say let him pitch away. Hope he gets hot in the final month and do a sign and trade with someone in need of a dl pitcher. Maybe Detroit or Seattle. I think it was pat who brought up the option on Carls contract.

  90. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Brandon – Very true. I haven’t heard of any talks of Beckett and surgery though. I just read on article on mlb.com about him…

    “Beckett felt much better on Wednesday, to the point that he tried to lobby the training staff into letting him resume his throwing program two days earlier than scheduled.”

    I would love for him to be out for the season, but it sounds like that’s not gonna happen.

  91. Timothy Clougher August 21st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    We need a game at a time, does Saturday really matter if we get smoked tonight, we continue with the same saga poor offense, yet we continue to put the same sorry none hitting people in the same spot’s in the batting order…..

  92. Al from BK(Broadway Brett will own the G-men) August 21st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    “Because Beckett might need surgery, Halliday hasn’t show any signs of strains. People in Boston think Josh might need TJS which could be a scary turn of events for thier season.”

    Not to wish ill on a player but I would likely go outside and do a jig if this were true.

  93. Andrew August 21st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    As long as Sidney can contain Wells and Rios, the Yankees will have a chance. Halladay shuts the team down routinely, but I mean, Melky Cabrera hit a home run off him on opening day so anything is possible. I have some hope that they can score at least a couple of runs off him.

  94. LloydChristmas August 21st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    “What could a package of Igawa, Duncan, Britton, and Traber net us?”

    Hideki Irabu

  95. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    I’ll be damned if anybody is going to rip on Sidney Ponson ! I sat in a 13 IP game were Ponson pitched his guts out vs KC for 7 innings ! PONSON COMPETES, THE PONSON JOKES END HERE. Stick on Pavano ! :x

  96. SJ44 August 21st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    S.A.,

    First and foremost, Michael Kay is an employee of the New York Yankees. Well, technically, he is an employee of the YES Network but, you get my drift.

    As the “voice” of the YES Network, he is going to carry the company line at all times. It beats unemployment.

    His feeling about Phil Hughes is no different than a lot of Yankee fans feelings when it comes to young players. He, like many fans, want immediate results and ZERO setbacks from young players.

    Absent immediate results, a la Joba, the only value guys like Kay puts on young players is trade value for veteran players.

    Can’t blame him for that feeling. Its been the prevailing feeling of this franchise for most of his 20+ years working in and around the Yankees. He’s just parroting what has been fact with the organization.

    I do find it ironic that folks can bag on Pavano yet, give Hughes the benefit of the doubt over his myriad of injuries the past few years.

    No doubt, Pavano has had some dog in him. That’s undeniable.

    What’s also undeniable is, you can’t fake bone chips and you can’t fake TJ Surgery. He had 3 golf ball size chips taken out of his elbow and had TJ Surgery. While frustrating, those are legit injuries.

    His “butt” injury? Is it any stranger than fracturing a rib while pitching, like Hughes did this year?

    Its a strange world with athletes.

  97. frits August 21st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    mel, llime, he’s not just a drunk!

    On December 25, 2004, Ponson was arrested in Aruba and charged with assaulting an Aruban judge following an incident about a complaint of Ponson’s handling of his powerboat. He spent 11 days in jail, but the charges were dropped after he reached a settlement that included restitution, community service, and contributions to local charities on the island. In January 2005, he was charged with driving under the influence in Broward County, Florida. Because of these activities, it was thought that he would not be able to enter Canada to pitch in a series against the Toronto Blue Jays in May 2005. However, a visa was later granted, and he was able to make his scheduled start.[citation needed]

  98. frits August 21st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Early on the morning of August 25, 2005, Ponson was arrested for driving under the influence and driving while impaired on southbound Interstate 95 near downtown Baltimore, Maryland. He was stopped for following too closely and was subsequently arrested by Maryland Transportation Authority Police for the traffic violation, DWI; he was later released. This was his second drunk-driving incident of 2005

  99. bavd backwards August 21st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Damon LF
    Jeter SS
    Abreu RF
    A. Rodriguez 3B
    Nady RF
    Matsui DH
    Giambi 1B
    Cano 2B
    I. Rodriguez C
    .
    With Giambi’s RISP…putting him 7th is a gift….I would drop him to 8th, but that is just me…but how that SLUG can bat ahead of Nady and a DHing Matsui is just plain STUPID…

  100. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    PBL – Because that is belooowww him. Who cares if he is hitting under .250? Who cares if everytime he comes to the plate every defender shifts a mile to their left? Heck, if Giambi bunted well enough, he could end up on 2B (kinda kidding here).

    I’ve seen Ortiz bunt several times. I remember seeing him bunt in the first inning of a post-season game. Ortiz, one of the better hitters in the game, is willing to sacrifice himself for his team. Giambi is not.

  101. Vigorish Vic August 21st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    The over / under line is established at 2 for the number of times Halliday will strike out Whiff-Rod.

  102. daver August 21st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Prediction: in the final game of the season, Girardi will put Nady in the 5th spot and finally move the .197 batting Giambi down to 8th spot. X will go 4 for 5 and drive in 8 runs in that meaningless game.

    “X has been swinging a pretty good bat lately so I wanted to try him in the 5 spot against a lefty.”

  103. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    HE’S CLEAN IN NY LEAVE PONSON ALONE ! (sh.. I never thought I’d say that :? ) But yeh leave Sidney alone.

  104. Timothy Clougher August 21st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    It doesn’t matter if Bob Gibson pitch’s, our offense is killing us….

  105. LLIME August 21st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Kay is like Francessa… he is a Yankee fan, but in general a fan of whoever comes on his show and strokes his ego.

    It’s wierd… Kay dislikes Hughes and Francessa dislikes Joba.

    Francessa dislikes Hank, Levine, and isin’t the biggest Girardi fan. Kay hated Torre and isn’t the biggest Cashman fan.

    All these guys have their biases.

  106. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    “What could a package of Igawa, Duncan, Britton, and Traber net us?”

    Myers,Leiter,Sturtze and Phelps. Not Micheal.

  107. steve August 21st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    i like ponson… id give him a ST invite next year.

    id rather have ponson in the rotation next year than hughes.

  108. I bought a Melky jersey :( August 21st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Sticking with Giambi 5th Still? Move Nady and Matsui up and put Giambi 7th. Him being behind a -rod is hurting a-rod.

  109. E-Man August 21st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    “I still don’t understand why Giambi won’t just bunt down 3b..I mean if a pitcher throws him 4 balls he takes the walk, I don’t get why he doesn’t take a free base if they use that shift.”

    Because he’s a ME guy.

    Jason Giambi only cares about Jason Giambi’s HR numbers.

    They’ve been trying to get him to hit to the left side the past few years. It always ends up to him saying later in the year that he’s trying to “beat the shift by hitting over it.”

  110. frits August 21st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    brandon – not knocking on sid. i love the lug. only commenting in re: someone saying “as long as you’re not a felon, you can pitch for us”.

  111. JB (Blue Jays Fan) August 21st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    If Sidney is a felon how did we let him get by customs? I always find it amazing how both Canadian and American borders let rock stars, rappers, actors, and atheletes though the border even if they are convicted criminals. But if you just have one drunk driving conviction and you are a regular Joe, you are not crossing any border!

  112. mel August 21st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Grab your tissue before you read…

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....d=tab3pos1

  113. ponsons magical box of twinkies August 21st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    its definitely not impossible to beat halladay, we’ve beaten him before (even if its only once) and people are acting like this guy is 14-0 but hes not hes 14-9 so its not impossible to hit him

    but then again i understand that apparently against us he might as well be 14-0

  114. hank hal August 21st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    So, Pavano’s first start is at the same time Saturday night as the Farve vs. Giants pre-season game.

  115. Timothy Clougher August 21st, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    No Giambi is not the only one but ut’s a start, he can only provide offense which he hasn’t, his defense SUCKs…..he offer’s nothing to the line-up right now except a WHIFF……..5 K’s in his last 6 AB in Toronto……..

  116. Timothy Clougher August 21st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    E-Man:

    I said the same thing, but all the experts here said Giambi can’t bunt.

  117. mel August 21st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Okay. Let’s see, no felons allowed, but misdemeanorers are okay as long as they give us quality starts?

  118. Pancho August 21st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    In seeing the lineup posted again one is reminded of all the criticism Brian Cashman is taking and it is important to put things in perspective and asign proper blame.

    It is imposssible to know how things would have worked out if one trade or decision had been made diferently. However, it is possible to analyze job performance by looking at what the results should be with the resources and oportunities that have been available. Case in point, Jason Giambi should never be allowed to keep striking out against certain pitchers and to keep pulling balls directly at fielders positioned specifically for that purpose. The “supposedly best hitting coach in the majors,” Kevin Long, should have taught Giambi sometime in the past two years to simply bunt down third base. Bret Gardner should never be hitting away in the second inning of a game with runners on first and second and no outs, NEVER. Gardner is supposed to be able to bunt and he actually can get on base by bunting because he is so fast, so he should have been bunting in that situation instead of striking out. As a matter of fact, EVERYONE ON THE TEAM SHOULD LEARN HOW TO BUNT PROPERLY, it is the most basic fundamental thing in baseball, the NEED TO MANUFACTURE RUNS. If in 120 games your team can’t hit well with RISP, then YOU HAVE TO TRY SOMETHING ELSE. If your closer goes 0 for 4 in keeping 9th inning ties then how do you trust him 4 more times before you try a different approach? Another one is the execution of a HIT AND RUN. Your players are hitting into an unfathomable amount of double-plays – YOU HAVE TO TRY SOMETHING ELSE, you have to try and HIT and RUN to stay out of the double play and put pressure on the opposing pitcher and defense. If you are up 3-1 in the bottom of the eight in Annaheim and you know how good the Angels are maybe that is the game in which your closer pitches 2 innings, particularly if your bullpen has been shaky and your journeyman pitcher has just given you a performance for the ages, or MAYBE, JUST MAYBE YOU LOOK INTO YOUR RELIEVER’S (VERAS) EYES AND YOU MAKE DAMN SURE THAT HE DOES NOT BLOW THAT ONE GAME, THAT HE DOESN’T GIVE UP THOSE TWO HOME RUNS, THAT HE SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY, EMPTIES HIS TANK AND PITCHES AT THE 96 MPH HE IS CAPABLE OF AND GET’S THROUGH THAT ONE, ALL-IMPORTANT FEEL-GOOD INNING THAT CAN CHANGE THE DYNAMICS OF AN ENTIRE ROAD TRIP. If you are not good enough as manager to foresee where things can hurt you in the way they have hurt you a million times in the past because JUST ONE of your players lost focus, then you are not the best man for the job – 100% OF BASEBALL IS ULTIMATELY MENTAL FOCUS ON THE TASK AT HAND.

    All this to say that this is not Cashman’s fault it is the coaching staff’s fault and Joe Girardi’s fault. They have been too passive to experiment more or to make the right moves or calls or have the right talks with players in key situations, in other words to maintain the team’s FOCUS when needed. IF YOU ARE BEING CRITICIZED AND ARE FAILING MISERABLY, NO ONE CAN BLAME YOU FOR CHANGING THINGS AROUND AND TRYING A NEW APPROACH to shake things up and you have to be strong enough and bold enough to do it, otherwise, you are not the right person to push the buttons.

    The bottom line here is twofold:

    First, no team that has a lineup of Damon, Jeter, Abreu, Rodriguez, Giambi, Nady, Matsui, Cano and Rodriguez should have as miserable a time at scoring runs as this team has. Even if you take out Matsui and I-Rod and replace them with Gardner/Melky and Molina, you should stil produce at a higher clip against top teams in the league. It does not matter if the pitcher is Halladay or Pucey, Burnett or McGowan, Beckett or Buckholz, Saunders or Weaver. When the first four guys are pitching it just means every run is at a premium and it is THE MANAGER’S DUTY TO FORCE THE BAR WITH THE SUPER TALENT HE HAS AND FIND A WAY OF MANUFACTURING RUNS. When the second four are pitching it is on the Manager to MAKE SURE THE HITTERS UNDERSTAND THAT ANYTHING LESS THAN A .300 AVERAGE AGAINST THEM MEANS THEY WILL RUN WIND SPRINTS UNTIL THEIR LEGS GIVE OUT. There has to be accountability and responsibility for the players.

    Second – Just a question: CAN ANYONE RIGHT NOW HONESTLY SAY THAT IF SCIOSIA or FRANCONA, or GASTON, or COX, or even TORRE were managing this team right now, EVEN WITH ALL THE INJURIES TO THE PITCHING STAFF, POSADA AND MATSUI, the team wouldn’t be at least 5 wins better than it is and essentially tied for the WILD CARD lead?

  119. 2008 Yankees August 21st, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    What ^ said…lol

  120. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    I think I might use this again on Saturday

  121. I bought a Melky jersey :( August 21st, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    I think we can beat Henry Halladay. By Henry Halladay, i mean my office janitor Henry Holloway (but its close). This Roy guy is probably a little better, so we may be f-ed.

  122. fred from jersey August 21st, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    “So, Pavano’s first start is at the same time Saturday night as the Farve vs. Giants pre-season game.”

    Good than we have something to watch after he blows up the game in the first inning.

  123. mel August 21st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Pancho,

    You could find 5 games that Mo lost for us that had nothing to do with Girardi.

    Things happen. But when they all happen at once, there’s not much you can do about it.

  124. Patrick â„¢ August 21st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    So why does everyone think that Pavano is a good pitcher when health? He’s had one good season in his 10 year career. Just so happens that one good season was during his contract year. I wouldn’t let him sniff the mound if I were the Yankees. Heck, I wouldn’t even let him take starts away from my AA pitchers.

  125. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Pancho,
    Torre kept Bernie in center field and in the lineup till Cashman changed the locks to the staduim. Its not Girardi’s fault that most of his players underachieved and visited the dl this year.
    I dont think Girardi had a PUBLIC Joba rules to control him.
    Torre was good but his time was up. Not like he is getting manager of the year.

  126. Fran August 21st, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Pavano is pitching for a contract. Contract years tend to motivate people.

  127. nyyfaninlaaland August 21st, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Igawa’s not on the roster anymore, and any or all of the other 3 could be off in the offseason if needed. Traber for sure. Not much for the others if anything – Britton probably has highest value.

    SJ – Hughes has made 19 majors starts in the last 2 seasons to Carl’s 2. Let’s be fair.

    But I too hope he succeeds. It’s a win either way result. If he wins and the Yanks succeed, great. If he pitches well but the Yanks don’t make a move, maybe somebody will take him for the last month and we’ll get some ROI. It’s sure he’s cleared waivers.

    So let’s hope he’s lights out Sat. and again next Friday and maybe we can trade him next Sat or Sun if things don’t go well. The Cards are scrambling for starters – maybe for one of their backup OF’s or 1 in the minors with pop. Pay Pavano’s salary if necessary – we’re paying it anyway. By then hopefully Phil could step in, with Joba not far behind.

    A Pavano showcasing? Incomprehensible!

  128. Joey's Poodle August 21st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Pancho,

    I posted my analysis of Girardi’s needs for continuing development as a manager a few threads ago, I continue to stand by that post, and I agree with you that with another manager this team probably would have won an additional five games.

    BUT — Girardi is a novice. All the guys you mention have much, much more experience. NYY FO chose to go with younger, less experienced people like Girardi, Thompson and Eiland, just like they chose to go with younger pitching, in the belief that this would pay off in the future. They had to know that there is a learning curve in coaching and managing just like there is in pitching.

  129. mel August 21st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Fran,

    LOL. We’re talking about contract starts at this point.

  130. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Over/Under how many of the remaining games will we have a comment of why is Giambi batting fifth. 25 games

    (not like its not warranted. Im just convinced Girardi isnt listening to suggestions on this blog)

  131. Fran August 21st, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Mel – well most players are usually playing for new contracts. I guess Pavano is trying to fulfill his old contract!

  132. Pancho August 21st, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    I don’t want to go into defending Torre, that is not the point. The point is Torre was critiziced for not getting the most from the players in key situations (i.e. post-season). Girardi was brought in because he could change that. In all seasons there are four or five games that Mo blows up or someone else loses due to mistakes, but it is hard for me to remember a season when EVERYONE underachieved so incredebly in the clutch, and it is not just the injuries. There is a aspect of mental focus and strategy that has to come into place in baseball and Girardi simply has not gotten his team to play to its full potential. I have nothing against him personally, I think he is probably an outstanding human being, but he needs to get the players to play better or start making them be accountable for their failures. In football, when you get a penalty you run a lap. How about runing laps after the game or the next day having to come in early if you miss an oportuntity with RISP or you give up a home run when you come in to relieve a game in which the team is up. I’m not there, I don’t know the exact reprimand, but something needs to be done to keep guys focused on the task at hand.

  133. E-Man August 21st, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    “Torre was good but his time was up. Not like he is getting manager of the year.”

    He should have gotten it for playing near .700 baseball the second half of last season.

  134. AY August 21st, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    Just read this:

    “What’s also undeniable is, you can’t fake bone chips and you can’t fake TJ Surgery. He had 3 golf ball size chips taken out of his elbow and had TJ Surgery. While frustrating, those are legit injuries.”

    I’m looking at my elbow and I’m wondering what would be left if you removed the equivalent of 3 golf balls worth of bone from it. Maybe I don’t understand what bone chips are. Can someone enlighten me? Does Pavano have virtually no elbow left? Do I have oddly small elbows?

  135. Christina August 21st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Heading to the game now. This shall be an interesting game. Can the yankees hit halladay? We shall soon see. Hey Pete, hook a sister up with a ball. Jerry failed me on his word

  136. 27 this year August 21st, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Will we offer Pavano arbitration?”

    Jose, why would we have to? He can’t get us draft picks considering he is nowhere near one of the top starters adn he only pitched twice in two years. He is like Type Z

  137. Jeff NJ: Let Joba Play! August 21st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Good for Pavano, it would take a lot of inner strength for him to come back at all, knowing as he does of his reputation. So good for him. I personally will root for him to pitch shutout after shutout and game 1 of the playoffs in Anaheim. You watching Hollywood? You may have the comeback story of the century or Pavano will get hurt 3 innings into start 1 throwing our long relief into disarray.

    HOW’S JOBA DOING JOE!

  138. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    “How about runing laps after the game”

    You must have not been following the team in pre season. It was drill Seargent Girardi. Players were complaining of too much running. It wasnt a walk in the park. Bottom line is we have been having to make huge second half come backs for the past few years and our luck might have ran out(yes i still believe we have one more run). Torres teams started slow and had injuries and so did this 08 team. Unfortuneatley our offense didnt come to life in the second half. We also have a deeper division this year. So there are no longer gimmies(rays). While Torre is managing a team in AAA.

  139. saucY August 21st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    “not like its not warranted. Im just convinced Girardi isnt listening to suggestions on this blog”

    apparently a few haven’t gotten this memo!

    have a good weekend everyone. i’m off tomorrow :D
    for a dentist appointment :?

  140. Pancho August 21st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Girardi won Manager of the Year with the Marlins two years ago and even if his learning curve is steep because it is the Yankees, he still should be able to get a team that has this lineup to score a few more runs. Even with all the injuries there are games that should just not be lost like the third Minnesota game, the first KC game, the first Texas game, the second and thrid Angels games (which the Yankees led in the 8th), those games should just NEVER be lost. If the team has a grab it by the throat mentality they go out and win those.

    And without trying to be ra-ra or anything, this SHOULD NOT be the season when this is allowed to happen. The last year of the Stadium and the Orioles are allowed to come to our house and poke their finger in our eyes 4 out of 6 times, the Rays 4 out of 6 times, the Indians 4 out of 6 times. At home, those are all series the Yankees, in the last year of the stadium and if they were really focused on what that means, particularly with the All-Star game taking place here and all the feel-good stories, should have won, and that is 6 more games and the wild card lead right there. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE LACK OF HISTORICAL AND BASEBALL FOCUS THAT THIS TEAM HAS EXHIIBITED THIS YEAR UNDER GIRARDI.

  141. Fan mail from some flounder... August 21st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    E-Man:

    Torre played not even a fraction of an inning last year. I did notice him napping in the dug-out quite a bit though.

    When they won, it was all Torre, when they lost, it was A-Rod, etc.

    This year, when they win its divine intervention, when they lose, its all Girardi.

    Too funny…

  142. GI Joe August 21st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Giambi in the 5 hole again! Who woulda thunk it?

    What makes them cut melky and keep Giambi in this lineup?

    Another head scratching moment brought to you by GI Joe Girardi.

  143. TKinDC August 21st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    What happened w/ Pavano and the story about the missed side session b/c of a sore neck?

    Was that just a bogus story?

  144. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    “He should have gotten it for playing near .700 baseball the second half of last season.”

    E-Man- We are going to have to agree to disagree on this subject. Was it Torre who continued to make his team start out flat every year? Was it his all star lineup who played to what was on the back of their cards? I wasnt a big Torre fan. Not like he wasnt no good at all. He kept the team level headed and took the heat off his team. But i look at him like i do Phil Jackson. Is it the Manager of a loaded team that makes them good? Or is it the team that makes it happen? Did Michael Jordan and Scotty Pippen,Shaq and Kobe win all those championships or was it the Manager. I think both. But imo the players make that coach look good. Look at Larry Brown. With all the knowledge he had and imo is one of the best coaches of all time. Couldnt get the Knicks to compete.

  145. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    “THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE LACK OF HISTORICAL AND BASEBALL FOCUS THAT THIS TEAM HAS EXHIIBITED THIS YEAR UNDER GIRARDI.”

    You must have had amnesia. One word “callapse” 2004 playoffs.

  146. jimmy1138 August 21st, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Pete, next time you quote Bobby Valentine’s “why don’t Olympic sprinters do that” theory think about today’s 400m race ;).

  147. Yankee Trader August 21st, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Girardi has to have his lefty-righty alternating lineup near the top of the order, so stop posting that he shouldn’t!! Girardi finally figures it out:

    Jeter SS
    Damon CF
    A-Rod 3B
    Abreu RF
    Nady LF
    Matsui DH
    Cano 2B
    I-Rod C
    Giambi 1B

    Maybe A-Rod batting 3rd, he’ll have less stress. Quite frankly Giambi shouldn’t even be in the lineup, and I agree with Pancho-against the shift he should just bunt down the 3rd base line and get on base.

    Also tell your players if you are going up there with men on base and less than two outs, and you’re thinking I hope I don’t hit into a DP, just strike out!! That’s what Earl Weaver told his Oriole players.

  148. Meaningless Stats August 21st, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    The problem is the Rays… the competition is in our own division.

    If the Rays were the Rays of old and we were only chasing the Twins… Girardi would be showered with accolades for keeping us so close to the playoffs with all the injuries.

    So we have to contend with the upstar Rays who have the best record in baseball AND the defending world champions in our own division just for a playoff spot. Who was Torre’s competition last year? A paper-tiger Seattle team with a rotation of Weaver-Washburn-Batista-Ramirez?

    It’s the offense that has let us down anyway. The team that score 961 runs last year is on pace to score 200 less. If the offense played up to its capabilities we would probably be LEADING the WC. How is the lack of offensive production Girardi’s fault? If he is going to get ridiculed for the offense sputtering, should he get credit for squeezing more out of Ponson, Rasner, Mussina, Giese, Veras, Edwar, Farnsworth, Bruney etc. than we could have even dreamed of in Spring Training?

  149. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    “I did notice him napping in the dug-out quite a bit though.”

    You wouldnt happen to have noticed the pointing to his brain gestures when he was awake did you?

  150. COL 88 August 21st, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    And under the great, level-headed, calming influence that is Joe Torre, this offense was still flailing away at 84 MPH fastballs by Kenny Rogers and Paul Byrd in October. They were playing tight then too despite a calm manager.

    It’s the players, people. This group is just not assembled to win.

  151. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Well put meaningless stats. Bottom line Torre and Girardi arent hitting or pitching for this team. The UNDER ACHIEVERS are to blame.

  152. Pancho August 21st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    2004 was inexcusable as well. I am not defending Torre by any stretch. I also think that Girardi has done a decent job with the pitching staff given all the injuries. Having said that he is paid to manage the WHOLE team and all aspects of the game. The fact that you are good at one thing but can’t motivate other guys means you are only doing your job half well. The bottom line is that there are easily 10 games in this season that the Yankees had in the bag and lost or in which the Yankees simply “COULDN’T AFORD TO LOSE” and Lost anyway. That cannot happen, it is simply unacceptable at any point in the season.

  153. jeter- about time August 21st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    What happened to the idea of trying damon at first base?

  154. Mo August 21st, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Pavano getting the call over Hughes or Kennedy really shows how badly they blew it by not trading for Santana.

  155. Fan mail from some flounder... August 21st, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh):

    Nope – The camera typically showed him snoozing.

    I agree with your assertion that the players make the manager/coach look good. Rarely if ever the reverse. The Sparky Anderson/Reds teams come to mind.

  156. ponsons magical box of twinkies August 21st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    if we really want to protect joba and see that he stays healthy wouldnt it be better if we for the rest of the season use him in the bullpen??

    i guess this would have worked if giese wasnt hurt because now we are running low on options hence carl pavano for saturday :(

  157. Hybrid Moments August 21st, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Its funny that there are a bunch of guys who aren’t power pitchers on that list.

  158. EDUB August 21st, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    “Pavano getting the call over Hughes or Kennedy really shows how badly they blew it by not trading for Santana.”

    I don’t agree with this at all. In this situation Pavano is coming off a good start and Hughes is not. There’s no point to rush him anymore. He will develop into a fine pitcher down the road. This 3rd place team doesn’t need to throw a young starter out there when we got Pavano more ready and perhaps motivated to show all these naysayers what hes made of.

  159. dan 771 August 21st, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    that’s true. if we don’t get sabathia this off-season for whatever reason (even if he takes less money to go to LA), then that trade might be the one that set this franchise back a decade. we will be going into the 09 season with the same patchwork pitching staff that has hindered us since 03.

    remember… santana WANTED to come to NYC. torri hunter and gardenhire came out and said how much santana loved the city. sabathia on the otherhand, seems to have no affection for NYC and wants to go to the west coast. even if you do sign CC, you run the risk of him being another west coast junkie who is unable to adjust to life in the east.

  160. E-Man August 21st, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    S.o.S,

    The past few years in the eyes of many around here, Torre never won, he only failed.

    I think your teams success should play a role in the decision for Manager of the year. Just like with the MVP award. Others don’t though as history has shown.

  161. zztu August 21st, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    I hope Giambi catches fire. Literally . He is Horrible and unwatchable

  162. Yankee Trader August 21st, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    COL88

    “It’s the players, people. This group is just not assembled to win.” Couldn’t agree more. What’s frightening is that we might see much of the same lineup next year.

    Jeter-going nowhere

    A-Rod-untradeable for at least 8 of next 9 years.

    Matsui- facing offseason surgery and untradeable until he proves himself healthy.

    Damon-possibly tradeable, if you eat some of his contract, but most of us like him

    Cano- tradeable but would get less than last year.

    Nady-keeper, than a FA unless extension signed.

    Molina-back but can’t hit or run.

    Posada-back, untradeable, and has to prove he can not only throw but hit with power again.

    Melky-tradeable but for what-now has little to no value.

    Therefore, although hitting has been our downfall this year, as the starting pitching has done fairly well, considering the injuries, we better hope that we assemble the best starting 5 we can to try and shut the other teams down night after night. Even with a few tweaks and FA’s in the position players, this will still be a team that scores much less runs than in 2007. I can’t see the Yankees adding Manny or Teixeira or the oft injured Milton Bradley. They want to get younger and they have too many DHs now and every year from now until Matsui, Damon and Posada are gone.

  163. Yankee Trader August 21st, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    zztu-

    Are you talking about Giambi literally catching fire, like spontaneous combustion? That’s a horrible thing to think. Let’s start first with at least moving him down in the order, before torching the poor, oops overpaid, young man!!

  164. E-Man August 21st, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    “Well put meaningless stats. Bottom line Torre and Girardi arent hitting or pitching for this team. The UNDER ACHIEVERS are to blame.”

    Right but Torre preached taking pitches and working counts.

    I haven’t heard a word from Girardi on this and I’ve seen the exact opposite approach at the plate than in past years.

    And we’ve had the same hitting coach as last year.

  165. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    “Nope – The camera typically showed him snoozing.”

    I must have been watching a different telecast. Id say it was 50/50 in snoozing or digging up in his nose.

    “Yankees had in the bag and lost or in which the Yankees simply “COULDN’T AFORD TO LOSE” and Lost anyway.”

    You must have also forgot when we were fighting for our lives to make the playoffs under Torre and the Devil Rays were sweeping us. The win won for the gipper doesnt work on million dollar babies. Maybe Girardi should hold Jeters bat to get him to stop hitting into dp’s. Or have Posada flip the ball to Girardi to throw out a runner at second. Maybe tie one of Giambis arms so all he can do is stick the bat out and get a trickler down third base. Maybe wear a blonde wig(training/hooker) next to Arod so he can hit with runners in scoring possition. All Managers have flaws. But dont blame them when their players dont earn their money.

  166. LLIME August 21st, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    I do feel bad for Phil though because he is going to be compared to Santana forever. He will never be able to get out of his shadow unless he is as good or surpasses Santana. The media will remind him and Cashman every chance they get about what we could have had with Johan. He is across town to remind us every 5 days. It is going to be even more conspicuous this fall if he has a good postseason and pitches a bunch of complete games en route to a WS appearance for the Mets. Phil is always going to have that pressure to deal with from the fans and media.

    This was a classic hindsight move, but it won’t be judged that way publicly.

  167. Yankee Trader August 21st, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    You know, if the Twins still want Hughes, I say trade him to them for Liriano, straight up.

    What was the last offer from the Yankees that the Twins were considering, before Hank called it quits. Wasn’t it something like Kennedy, Horne, Marquez and Melky??

  168. Fan mail from some flounder... August 21st, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    E-Man: Bottom line, the horse isn’t moving, stop beating on it.

    zztu-: I agree with YT. If Giambi went up in flames, you know you’d look, admit it.

  169. James August 21st, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    http://theblogofchampions.com/.....son-plans/

  170. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut August 21st, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Yankee Trader… the last offer that the Twins asked for was substituting Wang for Hughes. It was never Kennedy, Horne, Marquez and Melky. They were never hot on Melky. Give it a rest. Please. And get the facts straight.

  171. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    “Right but Torre preached taking pitches and working counts.

    I haven’t heard a word from Girardi on this and I’ve seen the exact opposite approach at the plate than in past years.

    And we’ve had the same hitting coach as last year.”

    E-Man
    The patience at the plate didnt help us in the playoffs. As we all know by now,Girardi never discloses information about the team as did Torre(Pete is a witness to that). So we dont know if he is screaming or doing one on ones with the players to be patient. Maybe the one to blame if we grant the players immunity is Long.

  172. Indio CT August 21st, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Santana was dying to pitch in NY. You will see in a few months hat he signed a bargain contract too.

    All it would have cost would have been maybe a solid #3 starter. Maybe. if Hughes ever develops a 3rd pitch which isn’t looking hopeful.

  173. zellyanks91 August 21st, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    I’m feeling an unexpected Yankee win today. Let’s Go Yankees!

    Kevin

  174. Tommy in Mass August 21st, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    “You know, if the Twins still want Hughes, I say trade him to them for Liriano, straight up.”

    The words FAT CHANCE seem appropriate.

  175. Tommy in Mass August 21st, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    What does it say about Cashmans job performance if he’s leaving in AAA Hughes, Kennedy, and Igawa?

    What more does this guy need to do to get the axe?

  176. G. Love August 21st, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    If the Mets make the post season and Johan pitches brilliant, it won’t help defend the decision not to part with Hughes who at this point isn’t ready for the majors.

    If Cashman put up Hughes/Melky/Kennedy and some other prospect last winter, we’d have Johan now, we’d have him signed to less than it’s going to cost to sign CC (CC will make a lot more per year I bet) and we wouldn’t be giving up a draft pick to attempt to sign CC.

    Now to get CC, we have to pay him through the nose, give up a pick and we’re left with 3 players, 2 of whom (in IPK anqd Melky), you couldn’t trade for Matt Stairs right now.

    So essentially that non deal is always going to come down to Hughes for Johan.

    I don’t wish that kind of pressure on the kid and it was one of the main reasons I wanted the trade to happen since I didn’t think Hughes would ever live up to Johan.

    You all waxed how Johan was done to make yourself feel better about the non-trade, but I look at his numbers and I see a guy pitching great even though he may have lost a touch off his mph. Imagine him with Mariano closing for him.

    Will he hold up the whole contract? Who knows. I have just as many doubts about CC in that regard.

    All I know is I’m happy the Yankees aren’t rushing Hughes up.

    I’d rather see Pavano than Hughes.

    Hughes should go to camp next year without the pressure of a spot in the rotation, although all the pom pom waivers in here will cry since they think he’s ready right now.

    He’s not ready and if he’s ever going to have any value to the Yankees, it’s in his best interest to have him pitch healthy in the minors and earn his way back up.

    Proclaiming him part of next year’s rotation is foolish.

    He’s shown NOTHING this year to earn that right, other than some fans wishful thinking.

    I wish he were ready, but he’s just not.

    I’m hoping Saturdays game continues to mean something and that Pavano, who is a bit of a selfish jerk, knows he’s pitching for his next contract somewhere else and performs at his best.

    That’s all we can ask. He has the motivation. If he goes out and spits the bit, his free agent value goes even lower than it already has.

    The guy is an opportunist and that might be just what we need on the mound.

  177. steve August 21st, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    exactly

    this cute little cutter he is playing around with is nice, but if he doesn’t develop a changeup he is toast. his cureball is way too loopy as well.

  178. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    For $13 I’ll be a Macadamia Nut-Thats not including Kennedy and Melky. By that time all the center fielders had been signed.

    Who the hell knows if Santana in 2 years will be tossing 88mph fastballs and visiting the dl. His fastball has already dipped. Its too soon to tell what Hughes will become. Keep in mind Santanas numbers early on in his carreer were bad.

  179. hank hal August 21st, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    It’s sad that it is coming down to Zombrano or Pavano instead of the “phenoms” Hughes and Kennedy.

    It’s infuriating and depressing. We could have had Santana starting on Saturday.

    And Kennedy talked his way out of our plans anyway, so he is trade bait and has no value.

    The non-trade is looking worse and worse everyday. I hope Hughes does well for us, but I doubt it.

  180. Yankee Trader August 21st, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Nut-
    He has a point. Give it a rest. There are to many what if’s on our posting.

    What if Santana were a Yankee?
    What if Giambi had torn up his knee instead of Matsui?
    What if Joba had stayed in the bullpen and not gotten injured?
    What if Wang had been pinch run for in that game and not been injured?
    What if the Yankees had traded for Nady and Marte in the beginning of the season?
    What if A-Rod had not signed that FA deal and we signed Mike Lowell instead?

    There are too many what ifs???

    But my thinking is , we’d probably be in 1st place!!!!!!

  181. wolf man (2008 is over) August 21st, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    hughes and kennedy have no trade value. they might be able to get us broson arroyo, at best. i am actually more puzzled that kennedy was so overhyped, he did nothing to warrant it.

  182. commonwealth August 21st, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    so did pavano do the michael kay show?

  183. commonwealth August 21st, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    wolfman, are you lost? hughes has no value? you are high.

  184. EDUB August 21st, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Regardless if its Pavano or Santana pitching on Saturday. Fact is: Cy Razz gave up 1 run the other day and the offense gave him nothing but a couple of errors. Maybe if Santana grabbed a bat and played first on his off days we might be closer in the WC hunt

  185. Forntoso August 21st, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    I missed that too… I just turned on Kay and all I heard was “coming up on NY Baseball tonight, Andy Pettitte, Jose Reyes, and Steve Phillips”

    That is certainly an interesting trio of guests.

  186. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    “kennedy was so overhyped, he did nothing to warrant it.”

    Kennedy had just as good if not better numbers in the minors than Joba and Hughes. He also did well in his short stint in the bigs last year. He was never projected to be more than a #3 starter. But no one would have guessed that he would have been a AAAA pitcher before the season started. I still think he will do well. Just not in New York.

  187. zellyanks91 August 21st, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    hey wolf man- your clueless. Many teams are still interested in Hughes..even after his rib injury. Cashman says he is still untouchable..and I want him to stay a Yankee as well. And 2008 is over? The season has just begun. Only a bandwagon Yankee fan would say it’s over. It’s never over when it comes to the Yankees. Most people count ‘em out..and every year..those same people bite their tounges when the team makes it to the postseason.

    As the great Yogi Bear once said “It ain’t over till its over.”

    Kevin

  188. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    “And 2008 is over? The season has just begun. Only a bandwagon Yankee fan would say it’s over.”

    Or maybe you were a 2007 mets fan who was in line waiting for those playoff tickets. Like the optimism zellyanks 91. We will find a way to get in!!

  189. Jeff NJ: Let Joba Play! August 21st, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    omg, Pavano is so long winded and full of bs. Last time I heard a diatribe like that it was when on Yankees Hot Stove they had an interview with the none other than $100M man Kevin Brown. Sounded a bit self delusional, but if it he wins games, who cares?

  190. CB August 21st, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    “If the Mets make the post season and Johan pitches brilliant, it won’t help defend the decision not to part with Hughes who at this point isn’t ready for the majors.”

    The yankees have a team ERA of 4.29. Last year their team ERA was 4.49.

    The yankees were conservatively expected to score 5.5 runs per game this season. Last year they scored 6 runs pergame.

    If the offense had done that – scored 5.5 runs per game this team would have won 97 games and gotten into the playoffs comfortably.

    So the pitching staff has been more than adequate for the team to make the playoffs.

    If they’d averaged 5.5 runs per game they would have scored around 890 runs for the season. Last year they scored 968.

    So if the offense only scored 80 runs less than last year – they win 97 games.

    But instead the offense completely tanks and is on pace to score 200 runs less than last year. 200 runs less.

    That’s why they are on pace to only win 86 games and miss the playoffs.

  191. wolf man (2008 is over) August 21st, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    relative to the value he had last year? absolutley. last year we could have gotten santana or miguel cabrera for him.

    you think we can approximate those names this year? not a chance. 2nd year in a row with injury that wiped out 80%, still doesn’t have a 3rd pitch, and questions about his velocity and durability. whereas last year, he was still hyped and coming off a great september and postseason game (though I think that SSS gets way overrated on this board)

    what could we get for him this year? prospects are not evaluated for their careers, they are evaluated year to year. case in point, Tabata. in the winter, he was untouchable for the same guys that hughes was. 6 months later? traded for xavier nady.

  192. Fran August 21st, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    I heard Pavano on Michael Kay. Basically Carl said:
    – he is very excited to be back pitching for the Yanks
    – his elbow feels the best it has in years
    – he can probably go 90 or so pitches
    – looking forward to meeting his teammates tomorrow
    – knows that everyone doesn’t believe his injuries and
    that he has something to prove.

    Michael was saying to Carl that other may not have believed you but I well never question an injury.

  193. Jeff NJ: Let Joba Play! August 21st, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    You guys here the rumor that Carl Pavano hired his publicist to post here?

    This guy is the luckiest/unluckiest guy in the world, he should kiss George Steinbrenner’s bedpan to still have any relevance in this world.

  194. Juggy August 21st, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Hey Pete, can we get more pictures, or perhaps a full body frontal and back of that girl in the stiletto and lace advertisement??

    Oh yea, Let’s go Yanks!! I’m sure that girl in the Ad could do a job on halladay, maybe take one for the team?

  195. Hughes Dynasty August 21st, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    I’m as big a Hughes fan as you’ll find but even I’m not disillusion to think he has the same value now as he had last year. He still has A LOT to prove at the Major League level for him to get his value back to what it was. The injuries are concerning as well. He is still a good prospect, but he can’t keep living off his reputation, he needs to do something soon to alleviate the concerns we have about him.

    I also don’t think he is as “untouchable” as some are making him out to be. I don’t think Cash will hesitate to deal him for a young position stud if a deal comes along this winter. Cash is a snake, most of his deals are of the under-the-radar (away from the media) variety.

  196. Jeff NJ: Let Joba Play! August 21st, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Melky Cabrera hitting .444 in AAA, obp of .667. On and he reported a day earlier than even the AAA manager expected. Just sayin.

  197. Forntoso August 21st, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Joba needs to pitch atleast a couple of games when he is healthy. Just to clear everyone’s mind about his shoulder. Don’t want to have that lingering throughout the off-season in everyone’s mind.

  198. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    CB or anyone anyone else,
    What do you think about acquiring Crede this offseason to play first base? He is a gold glove third baseman that could transition smoothly to first. His history of injuries are concerning. But that could help in getting him for cheap. Worth the risk?

  199. S.o.S.27(Bolt is on hgh) August 21st, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    “Melky Cabrera hitting .444 in AAA, obp of .667. On and he reported a day earlier than even the AAA manager expected. Just sayin.”

    Man we sure have a strong AAAA team down there with Igawa,Duncan and Melky.

  200. KING FELIX August 21st, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    crede is the type of player we need. not sure if he will play 1st though, if he does, go for it assuming we don’t get TEX.

  201. Sam August 21st, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    GO YANKEES! I predict halladay will get hurt in the 4th!

  202. E-Man August 21st, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    “E-Man
    The patience at the plate didnt help us in the playoffs. As we all know by now,Girardi never discloses information about the team as did Torre(Pete is a witness to that). So we dont know if he is screaming or doing one on ones with the players to be patient. Maybe the one to blame if we grant the players immunity is Long.”

    The patience at the plate got us to the playoffs. There’s only been one year during our run that’s been worse and thats 2001. A year many said that we didn’t belong in the post season or WS.

    Here’s OBP stats:
    1996 .360
    1997 .362
    1998 .362
    1999 .364
    2000 .354
    2001 .334
    2002 .354
    2003 .356
    2004 .353
    2005 .355
    2006 .363
    2007 .366

    2008 .344

    Of course Long should get blame but you gotta wonder if this was Giardis plan. Everything has been more aggressive this year. From baserunning and stealing, our windmill as a thirdbase coach to all the first pitch swinging.

  203. AZ Four August 21st, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Why not? None of our other pitchers can get out the Orioles hitters, maybe Pavano can.

  204. CB August 21st, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    SoS,

    I’m not a big Crede person – primarily because of his injury history.

    He’s had some significant back injuries. Also, while he’s an adequate offensive third baseman I don’t know if his bat would play at first.

    But as with all deals – it depends on the cost. I wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand. He’s such a good defensive player if healthy I’d guess he’d be fine at first base with enough advance notice.

    Some other guys to consider – Garrett Atkins (perhaps expendable with Ian Stewart playing well, played some first in the past), Hank Blalock (no room for him in texas – think he’s played some 1b in the past), and as a real flier – Nick Johnson. I know he’s never healthy but the Nats may be willing to move him. I’d take a chance if he wasn’t going to take to much to get. The Nats are so desperate for talent Johnson may be a luxury they can’t carry anymore.

    Those are some guys who could be considered, IMO.

  205. Tank August 21st, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Pudge did catch Pavano during the WS run. Just saying…

  206. Doreen August 21st, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Well, I for one, and probably only one, am duly impressed that Carl Pavano sat down with Kay. I didn’t expect him to be available for interviews.

  207. retroclutch August 21st, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    I don’t think Hughes as a bust like many of you. Just compare his stats with Molina behind the plate to everybody else. Pretty staggering if you ask me.

    http://tinyurl.com/phcatch

  208. stuart August 21st, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    yeah brain surgeons Hughes has no trade value!!!A comment from another mental midget on this website.

    If Cashman called 29 GM’s and asked if they are interested in Hughes he would get 29 Yes’s..

    The lack of patience and utter stupidity on this site is staggering, I am just amazed that whenever you think nothing greater on the stupidity meter can be said someone comes in and beats it.

    Cliff Lee 18 -2 look at his stats last year, look at Pelfreys year in complete. CLOWNS>>>>>>>

  209. dan 771 August 21st, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    can’t believe the beckett/joba game is a yankees classic already lol

  210. Doreen August 21st, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Mentioning the UConn Huskies cracks me up because there was a time when I could only think of them as the Yukon Huskies. I said to my husband, I know that’s not right and he just laughed at me. And rightly so.

  211. stuart August 21st, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    Dan 771 in a season with so few inspiring games the Joba/Beckett game is one of the few highlights in this terrible year.

    the Yanks are not coming back and stealing many games this year.

    you have the damon 6 hit game, the arod HR against Minny, Joba game , and a few others thats it…

  212. Forntoso August 21st, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    People who say Hughes has no value are idiots.

    You could easily get David Weathers, Jarrod Washburn, Adam Eaton, Andru Jones, Randy Winn, or Jason Marquis for him.

  213. dan 771 August 21st, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    yeah stuart thats true, im just surprised it came so quickly

    that was a great game… really showed us how special joba is and watching cry-baby youkallis and lowell made it all the more sweet.

    and thats the same night we got nady/marte

  214. mel-go, go, Waipio! August 21st, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    Kennedy was hyped because he was a great college pitcher and did well in ’07. Hughes was hyped because he was a great pitcher in the minors. Joba was not hyped but proved he belonged. I think that a little more seasoning for Hughes and Kennedy is just what the doctor ordered. Hughes needs to stay healthy and be aggressive. Kennedy needs to learn the difference between the minors and the majors.

    Anyone think that Kennedy will end up in the bullpen if he fails as a starter?

  215. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    alrighty people lets go
    i sure its safe to say that we dont care how we win as long as we win

    COME ON YANKS!!!
    bring on the PONSANITY.

  216. forever young August 21st, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Pete, who’s that 8-hole in the picture of your previous post?

  217. E-Man August 21st, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    “Anyone think that Kennedy will end up in the bullpen if he fails as a starter?”

    No because his major problem occurs when runners reach base.

    That’s when he always seems to fall apart.

  218. Jeter2007 August 21st, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    if the Idle can be as good as ponson, i’ll be happy

    i don’t think nyy will allow him to f things up any worse than they already are… couple of bad outings, then back to aa/aaa

  219. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 21st, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    So much for ER’s perfect game prediction.

  220. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    that a boy johnny :)

  221. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    I don’t understand why the Joba/Beckett game is considered a “classic.” It simply highlights the fact that the 08 Yanks can’t score more than two runs. Don’t get me wrong, Joba was great that night. But it’s not like we killed Beckett. That one run was scored on a bloop single against the Giambi shift.

  222. Chris A. August 21st, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    “…Phil Hughes has no trade value….”

    Phil Hughes? or do you mean American Idle Jr.?

  223. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    exactly at least the no hitter is gone! thats a highlight!

  224. jennifer August 21st, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    FRITS!!

    If you are around here is the article I spoke about!!

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....979.column

  225. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    I love how A-Rod shows such good patience at the plate. Really works the count…

  226. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Alex.. :(

  227. EDUB August 21st, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    stupid sterling. sounded like a HR or at least a RBI.

  228. fred from jersey August 21st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    “I just don’t get it.”

    Thats obvious.

  229. jennifer August 21st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Josh, did you miss what Kay and Lieter said? You can’t let Doc get ahead in the count, if you do you are dead.

  230. TKinDC August 21st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    “I love how A-Rod shows such good patience at the plate. Really works the count…”

    Usually I’d agree with this – but Halladay never nibbles. The first pitch is almost always a strike and probably the best pitch to hit in the whole AB.

  231. RalphieD August 21st, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    arod hit the ball extremely hard…just couldnt find a hole…..

  232. Matt - NYY fan in Boston August 21st, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    jennifer:
    nice article/find.

  233. CB August 21st, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    “Phil Hughes? or do you mean American Idle Jr.?”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....yerId=4242

  234. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    josh
    im pretty sure he missed that one, it was his pitch to hit and he missed it, with this guy your not going to get many chances, so u gotta jump on what you can get

  235. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Oh ok, sorry I didn’t realize what they had said. That does make sense. I’m just getting a little tired of A-Rod lately.

  236. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop, (My Latest Blog Entry: Maybe The Tough Love Approach Will Work?... A Great Video Too) August 21st, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Stuart,

    Don’t hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

    You are right, though (not about the mental midget part), Hughes is young and he STILL is extremely talented. People do need to relax a bit about him.

  237. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    The stupidity of some of you people. Two guys in front of Rodriguez strike out and nothing said. Rodriguez hits a hard liner to center and it’s his fault. Baseball knowledge at it’s best.

  238. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Well, go Yankees. It appears that I am going to be hunted down tonight and have my chops busted in terms of some side project I agreed to help out with.

    :(

    I am here in spirit and will join back in when I can.

    Here’s hoping the Yankees can do a credible job.

    GO SIDNEY!

  239. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    its alright josh
    at this point we are all frustrated

  240. j August 21st, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    get damon out of the field.

  241. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Josh
    August 21st, 2008 at 7:19 pm
    Oh ok, sorry I didn’t realize what they had said. That does make sense. I’m just getting a little tired of A-Rod lately.

    _____________________________________________________
    You really needed someone like Kay to tell you that Halliday throws nothing but strikes, especially on the first couple of pitches.

  242. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Worst. Two. Defensive. Outfielders. In. Baseball.

  243. sw August 21st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Uh oh, more adventures of Johnny Damon in Center Field.

  244. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    and pudge throws someone out
    is this his first as a yankee?

  245. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    jennifer-thanks for that Pavano article

    From the article:
    But, seriously, ask yourself this question:

    Do you really believe in Carl Pavano?

    I’m in the “Call me when he does something positive for a sustained period of time” camp

  246. RalphieD August 21st, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    third

  247. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Abreu was more at fault than Damon there. But Damon wasn’t faultless.

  248. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    that was so……… jeterian :)

  249. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    That one run looks like Mt. Kilamanjaro

  250. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    GreenBeret – What is your problem? At least I know how to properly spell the pitcher’s name that you seem to know so much about.

  251. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Damon should have either called Abreu off the ball or signaled for Abreu to make the play. That’s his job as the outfield captain.

  252. Rafael August 21st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Giambi BB
    Nady single
    Matsui HR

  253. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    YES!!!

    Base hit to the left-side by BIG G!!!

  254. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Now they just have to get Jason home

  255. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Josh, just pointing out your remarks were flawed. Didn’t know that you knew what you were talking about.

  256. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    I actually have a good feeling about this game. Maybe because we have gotten some offense lately things don’t feel so Kilimanjaran to me lately, even though it is Doc.

  257. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    I just walked in the door from an errand and missed the past few AB’s – trying to catch up on Gameday, but you can’t really trust their pitch location, so I was just wondering, how catchable was that Rios “flyball” to Abreu? Also was Sir Sid getting squeezed on the first few batters?

    This matchup simply doesn’t bode well for the Yankees, anyway. But hopefully Sidney can at least keep it close. I’d be ecstatic if they could pull out a win somehow, of course I can’t say I’m optimistic but will root for them till the end anyway. Let’s go Yankees!

  258. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    the big g is loving those glasses

  259. sunny615 August 21st, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    another one of “those” yankee games again. Hopefully this isn’t the 41st game where they score 2 runs or less.

  260. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    GreenBeret – I’m totally lost on your last sentence. Again, sorry for the first remark. Lets just forget it.

    Wow, that was just great Giambi.

  261. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    um
    woops :/

  262. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    “another one of “those” yankee games again. Hopefully this isn’t the 41st game where they score 2 runs or less.”

    :D

    You mean you hope to score a ton of runs against Halladay? Well I would take two if we can hold them to one!

  263. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Two consecutive innings where the leadoff man gets on . . . wasted.

  264. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    oh, wait, nevermind…scrolling back up a bit I see it seems to have been fairly catchable by above avg defensive players. I am against Brett Gardner sitting on the bench right now, for the record.

    And ugh…could our luck be any worse? Its been said before but when it’s bad, it’s really bad, everything just goes wrong.

  265. CT August 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Pete:

    I guess the 19 hits in 72 AB’s would explain it.

  266. Jeff NJ: Let Joba Play! August 21st, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    I like the spirit the team is showing so far. I think we’ll find a way and win this game.

  267. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Oh dear

  268. Matt - NYY fan in Boston August 21st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    DAMON CATCHES A BALL! OH MY GOD

  269. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    “Two consecutive innings where the leadoff man gets on . . . wasted.”

    And just one or two more instances of them bringing the leadoff man around to score and us wasting chances to do so, will put this game out of reach.

    Obviously there’s a huge talent gap between the two starters, but doesn’t make it any less disappointing to watch. Also, we have tipped our cap to the opposing pitcher so many times this year that at this point the offense just needs to shoulder the blame every time. Even if it is Doc.

  270. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Two runs now seem like Everest.

  271. lavender goons August 21st, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    So what have I missed, other than 2 runs by Toronto.

    I know it is early but from looking at the box score, 2-0 against Halladay is quite a mountain to climb.

    Bats need to get going.

  272. rogerk99 August 21st, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    damon cost them a run when he cut off abreu and then made his weak throw to third when Lind tagged. Abreu would have had a shot at him.

  273. PAT M August 21st, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    He would have never tagged up if Abreu caught it…..

  274. stuart August 21st, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Arod hit a line drive. I can live with hard outs no problem it is looking at strike 3 down the middle that I do not accept.

    22 pitches after 2 for Halladay really making him work…

    Cano with his typical 3 pitch AB.. he is a total mental case….

    Imagine getting guys home from 3rd with less then 2 outs without a hit, what a concept…

  275. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    well if ponson can keep them to 2
    thats all we could have asked for

  276. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    If they lose tonight, in their last 7 series, the Yankees will have lost 4, split 2, and won 1. I guess it doesn’t matter much if Pavano starts or not.

  277. PJH August 21st, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    This ones over.

  278. PJH August 21st, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    This ones over.

  279. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    At least Damon still can run.

  280. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    its not over until the game is over
    and to all the damon haters, at this point i dont see anyone else getting on base, do u?
    (besides the big g)

  281. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Damon running all over Barajas makes it even all the more frustrating that no one can get a hit when he is on base. I know Halladay is tough but how does Jeter let the first pitch go by there, knowing he almost always is gonna throw a strike?

  282. stuart August 21st, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Halladay is toying with the Multi millionaires so far tonight..

    Yeah this lineup that Fatcessa and other guys who never look at stats says is great is not.. There #’s prove it. And they usually really fail against good pitching.. You never know miracles happen maybe they can scratch out a few runs…

    DO the Yanks strike out more then most teams? I thought there K rates are not that bad but it sure feels like they K a lot.

  283. RaysRock August 21st, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Go Rays!

  284. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    And 40 pitches through 3, Roy could easily throw a CG at this pace.

  285. Waaa August 21st, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    this lineup stinks…. ponson

  286. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    I don’t recall anyone saying this lineup is great recently.

  287. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    Meanwhile one more inning like the last two almost definitely spells series loss.

  288. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 21st, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    Killing us softly, these Jays are.

  289. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Bring on the American Idle. We need something to chuckle about.

  290. up w/Joba, down w/Joba August 21st, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Can they do us a favor and just lose the next several games and stop this BS.

  291. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    ….

  292. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    So what are the chances of scoring five runs against Halladay?

  293. Matt - NYY fan in Boston August 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    who’s warming up, britton?

  294. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Joba — what more do you need to see? What BS? This is a poor team.

  295. rogerk99 August 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    That’s another one that Damon should have had-bad read and defensive play, it doesn’t matter how many time he gets on or steals a base if he is unable to play the field-which is pretty well established by now.

  296. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    And that’s all she wrote, folks.

  297. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Down 4 runs. Oh jeez

  298. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Robertson is now warming up.

  299. lavender goons August 21st, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Well, that just about does it for tonight.

    Yankees treated us to a 1 game winning streak but that was against a bad pitcher.

    Good luck in Baltimore boys.

  300. EDUB August 21st, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    so thats what a hit with RISP looks like. pretty cool

  301. Rafael August 21st, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    OVERRRRRR

  302. up w/Joba, down w/Joba August 21st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    let’s laugh as losers are wont to…

  303. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    matt,
    robertson is warming up

  304. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Let’s be honest: Sir Sidney’s deal with devil couldn’t last forever.

  305. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    I wonder if the confidence level is so high when Halladay pitches that their guys play with more confidence.

    4 runs with Doc on the mound doesn’t feel quite as good as 1 or 2…

  306. Lance August 21st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Did anyone here expect to win tonight?

    This game will be over before 9:30.

    More time to drink in Baltimore for the team that quits.

  307. Patrick â„¢ August 21st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Johnny Damon is so bad in CF, thats like 3 missed plays tonight alone.

  308. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut August 21st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Game over. Blow J’s win.

  309. Dan August 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    For all of you saying it’s over, they play 9 innings for a reason.

  310. MLL August 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    “I wonder if the confidence level is so high when Halladay pitches that their guys play with more confidence.”

    It is why every team needs an ace.

    It is why we screwed up royally when we didn’t get Santana.

  311. Terry from New Hampshire August 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Games decreasing by the day. This teams desire looks bleak. I can finally conclude in my head that for the last 14 years ( I was 26 then) this team made the playoffs. I guess a fresh start in the new stadium is what we’ll see.

  312. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    “Let’s be honest: Sir Sidney’s deal with devil couldn’t last forever.”

    Let’s be even more honest. Every starting pitcher has down days. This just might be one of his. He’s more than earned his keep.

  313. MLL August 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    You do realize they haven’t played Damon in CF all yr for a reason, right?

  314. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Look at the bright side: Hank doesn’t expect them to win.

  315. up w/Joba, down w/Joba August 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    bastards!

  316. up w/Joba, down w/Joba August 21st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    i had a flicker going but now it’s out.

    for some reason it took me till tonight.

  317. The Big Giamphony August 21st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    R.I.P.

  318. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    This could get real ugly real fast

  319. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    A down day against a bad offense.

  320. mell hall's batting stance August 21st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    run for your lives! it’s over people, it’s over! this is not the hitting yankees of yester years, these guys give up when goign against good pitching.

  321. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    It’s not that Damon cant play the field, it’s that he sure as sh-t cant play center anymore.

    I will watch and root for the team no different than if they were a playoff team, but this is the kind of stuff that really angers me. Monday should have been the end of this ill fated experiment. Play Gardner already! You know it isnt a playoff team so see what the kid has!!

    And even if you still are trying to make the playoffs, you don’t do so by using pretty much the worst outfield defensive alignment you can within the confines of your roster.

    What happened to the “Brett will only come up to play, not sit” party line we heard so often earlier in the season? And now that he had finally started to hit after a painful period of adjustment in the first go-around, they halt his development by sitting him so they can….cost themselves runs in center?

    Brilliant I tell you. :roll: Play Brett!

  322. Matt - NYY fan in Boston August 21st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    5-0 now, still nobody out

  323. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 21st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    okay, can we get Sidney out of there before it becomes an utter embarassment?

  324. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    up w/Joba, down w/Joba, you picked a heck of a night to make a decision. We knew Halladay wasn’t going to be a cakewalk.

    That said, Sidney has to be pulled now. He just doesn’t have it.

  325. E-Man August 21st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    And that’s the season folks.

  326. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    The season is an utter embarrassment. Oh, I just heard Rosie O’Donnell belting out an aria.

  327. j August 21st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    well damon has cost us the game today.

  328. lavender goons August 21st, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    I am beginning to think that Girardi is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

  329. Josh Johnson August 21st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    “And that’s the season folks.”

    Where have you been? The season has been gone for a few weeks now. Are we watching the same team?

  330. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    This is not a situation I think Robertson will do well in. He doesn’t seem to agree with the long-relief, mop up type of role. Why not throw Britton out there?

  331. Terry from New Hampshire August 21st, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Sid is thinking about the dinner in Baltimore Sat. I guess. He and his 24 team mates i’ve read are going out to dinner.

  332. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Dan
    August 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pm
    For all of you saying it’s over, they play 9 innings for a reason.

    9 whole innings of THIS?!

    I can take it anymore NOW!

  333. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    What the hell was Girardi supposed to do?? It’s Ponson versus Halladay. Look at the pitching matchups the rest of the way. Are you deluded?

  334. Matt - NYY fan in Boston August 21st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    And Pete, in Halladay’s losses, the Jays have scored a total of 15 runs, which is an average of 1.67 runs of support. In wins, the Jays score 75 runs, an average of 5.36 runs per game.

  335. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    “CAN’T”

  336. j August 21st, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    look at the bright side. atleast a real cy young winner is beating us today.

  337. Aardvark August 21st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Man, do the Yankees suck.
    The team I root for lost in embarrassing fashion last night, too. Tampa Bay really is the class of the AL East.

  338. Hybrid Moments August 21st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Ponson sucks so bad. It was only a matter of time before his luck ran out. He puts a million guys on base and always has something go his way. Good teams won’t let him do that.

  339. MLL August 21st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    We will have a hard time finishing in 4th place this year.

    Sad especially when Boston is playing with half a team.

  340. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    So..
    We now need to score 5+ runs off of Halladay? :(
    I think there is a better chance of Girardi sprouting wings and flying..

  341. Nick in SF August 21st, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    So much for Ponsanity.

  342. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Wow. Wow. Wow.

    Girardi, if you eff this kid like you effed up Ohlendorf, you’ll have lost me.

    Robertson Long man. Idiot move. Idiot move. Idiot move.

  343. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    chill people
    this is what was expected, was it not?
    i dont see why anyone is shocked
    i guess disappointed is a better word to describe what we are all feeling right now

    and anyway the game/season isnt over, (and as i say that the bases get loaded) well i guess all u can do is laugh lol

  344. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    The season is over?

    The season was over last winter when they didn’t trade 3 overrated prospects for a legit lefty ace.

  345. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    “well damon has cost us the game today.”

    And Monday. But we should absolutely continue to sit Gardner and let him play there. After all, we need his bat for our big playoff run! :roll:

  346. lavender goons August 21st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Dan
    August 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pm
    For all of you saying it’s over, they play 9 innings for a reason.

    No offense but when the Yankees have been down by 3 runs or more this year, they basically mail it in. They start free swinging, doing stupid stuff. So really, except for 10% of their games, the Yankees have not played 9 inning 90% of the time the year.

    They really do give up easier than people on this blog and that is bad.

  347. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    I get a kick out of all the folks that lambast Girardi. You think he enjoys manipulating these chess pieces? This team needs gutting, plain and simple.

  348. E-Man August 21st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    ““And that’s the season folks.”

    Where have you been? The season has been gone for a few weeks now. Are we watching the same team?”

    True but not mathematically.

    You have to hope to be wrong.

  349. Lance August 21st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    “Wow. Wow. Wow.

    Girardi, if you eff this kid like you effed up Ohlendorf, you’ll have lost me.

    Robertson Long man. Idiot move. Idiot move. Idiot move.”

    Like Ohlendorf is anything more than that. Moron.

  350. Hybrid Moments August 21st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    And for all of you clamoring for Gardner, stop. He is not good. He can’t hit and he’s a mediocre defender. Gardner is no savior.

  351. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    someone else,
    i would like you to tell me who else out of the bullpen would u like to see out there as the long man right now, Britton?

  352. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    This game will be over in an hour.

    I think we’ve all seen how this team grinds out at bats and games when losing.

    A joke.

  353. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Who do you want to pitch here? Kei Igawa?

  354. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Someone Else: Word up on the 8:07 post. You said it better than me. What the F is Girardi doing?!?!?

    This season is already a wash playoff wise, but if you put important young arms in a situation where they’re destined to fail, then it becomes an epic pile of colossal worthlessness, ruin and failure overall. WTF?????

  355. E-Man August 21st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    “I get a kick out of all the folks that lambast Girardi. You think he enjoys manipulating these chess pieces? ”

    If he didn’t, he wouldn’t have become a manager.

    He’s just not good at it. He was great at broadcasting though. I really enjoyed him calling games. hint hint.

  356. Ed August 21st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Instead of pulling Sid from the game when Robertswon came in to pitch they should have moved him to CF in place of Damon

  357. Sammy August 21st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    We have to face up.

    We are watching a pretty average team over the course of 162 games.

    If we hit 85 wins I’ll be amazed.

  358. Doreen August 21st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Well, to be fair, we expected Halliday to be Halliday. We HOPED Ponson would have another strong outing, but the odds were really not in his favor there. What I did not expect was to have the Blue Jays score 5 runs in 3 innings, at least as I type this.

  359. A-Fraud August 21st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    The empire is crumbling beneath our eyes!!1

  360. Sammy August 21st, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    If they won game 1 like they should have this wouldn’t even matter right now.

  361. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    The complaining is part of this forum’s legacy. So I totally expected this. Don’t like it but always expect it.

    Halladay is one of the best pitchers in the AL. Do you really think the Yankees are not going to try to grind out AB? Do you REALLY?

    The Yankees want to win this game. They will do everything they possibly can to win it.

  362. Doreen August 21st, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Well, 7 to nothin’ now. Sigh.

  363. Nick in SF August 21st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Who exactly is supposed to be pitching now, except Sydney Ponson?

  364. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    I for one would like to see Chris Britton, yes. Circumstances necessitate it. Robertson is no long reliever. And has fared poorly this season in the bigs in any semblance of a mop up role. He’s at his best in late innings/close ballgames, from what I remember.

  365. JR Yankees August 21st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    “He puts a million guys on base and always has something go his way. Good teams won’t let him do that.”

    Are you suggesting that the Blue Jays are a good team? I hope not. They have a hell of a top 3-4 rotation in Halladay, Burnett, McGowan, and Marcum but they run the likes of Scutaro, Eckstein, McDonald, Inglett, Lind, and Mench out there on a daily basis.

    I’ll give you this though…as stagnant as our offense has been 95% of the time this year I could see how you could argue the Jays aren’t so bad.

  366. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    :(

  367. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    You don’t make the playoffs with Rasner, Ponson and Pavano pitching in a rotation.

    You just don’t.

    How lucky are we that Mussina may win 20?

    We’d be staring last place in the face with a 200+ mill payroll.

  368. A-Fraud August 21st, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    I love how in the strands they are chanting JOHNNY..

  369. PAT M August 21st, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    This is bad, really bad……Time to hit the back nine…..

  370. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Robertson is another one of these “great prospects”.

    How did the Yanks do when everyone said they had a crap system? First place how many years in a row?

    Who rates these prospects? Cashman?

    One has impressed me in 3 years here. And they baby’d him like he was 4.

  371. lavender goons August 21st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Bad pitch choice there. Should have thrown the hook.

    Whoever called for that pitch needs to watch that game.

    Oh well, 7 runs down to Halladay with a team that cannot hit, looks like 4th place is where they are going to finish.

    No wait, they play baltimore next. This team could be in last place. WOW!

  372. Confucius August 21st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    “We will have a hard time finishing in 4th place this year.”

    At least we’ll get a good draft pick. If we finish bad enough (bottom 15), it will even be protected, so we can sign any free agents we want without surrendering it. Combine that with the pick we get for not signing Cole and (hopefully) at least one Type A FA that signs elsewhere. We could potentially have three first round picks, including one in the top 15. With the money we can spend on signing bonuses, we could do an awful lot with that.

    Of course, the way things are going with this team, we’d probably just botch all three picks. But, hey, I’m a fan. I got to be optimistic about the 2012 season.

  373. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Dead on, Ox. Throw in an underachieving, over-the-hill lineup and this is the result.

  374. Rafael August 21st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    can we loose it for called game please?

  375. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    trisha is hilarious.

    The only delusional fan who actually could support Ponson and Igawa and Farnsworth.

    “I tip my cap to ya, trish” –The Yanks in about an hour in the post game interviews

  376. pat August 21st, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Jays need to save a few of these runs for the Sox this weekend.

  377. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Draft picks???

    Who cares about draft picks??

    This is the same team that DIDN’T SIGN THEIR 1ST ROUND PICK!

  378. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Ox – BabiesrUs web site —————->

    God knows you’re needed there.

  379. A-Fraud August 21st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    i feel the yankees have a comeback in them this game

    we got this!!!

  380. A-Fraud August 21st, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    its not over.. just wait were gonna sneak a run in this inning..

  381. up w/Joba, down w/Joba August 21st, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    I hear John Monetfusco is willing to come out of retirement to try and help. Or was it Dennis Rasmussen?

  382. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    You knew this season was going to be a train wreck in March when they had two rookies in the rotation and their best rookie working in relief.

    Made a ton of sense.

  383. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Yeah, A-Fraud, we have the Jays just where we want them!

  384. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Sweet come back, trisha.

    Igawa give you that one when yo called him to ask how Scranton was this time of year?

  385. up w/Joba, down w/Joba August 21st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    trisha – I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit.

    time to retire the last name

  386. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    And furthermore, the rest of this season should be dedicated to development of the young prospects wherever possible – at least then there will be some purpose to it, something will have been accomplished. This needs to happen even at the expense of guys just like Britton, whose official designated role should be Taking One For The Team.

    No reason for Robertson to come in in a 3rd inning mopup role and throw 22 pitches when Britton is available. Just none, IMO. Exactly like how there is no reason to be playing Damon in center when Brett is available. Why waste the chance to accomplish the one useful thing there is still a chance of accomplishing this season?

    Sadly, at this rate I guess there is not much hope that Miranda will be called up to see extensive PT at 1b over Giambi.

  387. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Halladay was probably able to take a nap during that.

  388. Joe from Long Island August 21st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    This is reminding me of 1965, when the Yanks finished 6th after a long run of pennant winners. What happened is a lot of guys got old at once, and they really didn’t turn over the roster.

    As has been pointed out here, too many guys with similar skills sets, not enough real bat-handlers; and old age starting to creep in, in the post-greenie era.

    Fortunately, we are in the modern era of free agency, and can fix some of these problems in the off-season. Sign a good starter – CC; or AJ, if CC doesn’t work out. Say goodbye to Giambi and Abreu. Get upgrades (not necessarily “AllStars”)at 1B, RF, CF, and maybe 2B if the opportunity presents itself.

    Just don’t stay with the status quo. That will be deadly. And at my age, I don’t really want to go through another Dark Age.

  389. randy l August 21st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    the yankees for no reason to drill a blue jay( safely and below the waist) just to tick off halladay.then maybe he’ll do something stupid and the yankees will have a chance.

    otherwise they can play nicey nicey baseball and go down with class.

    i say they should get a little down and dirty and try to steal a game.

    billy martin used to do it all the time.

    this team is not good enough to win just by taking the high road.

    they do call it hard ball for a reason.

  390. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    A-Rod is probably disappointed that the game is dragging on. I believe he met his tart in Toronto last season.

  391. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    A-Fraud: the only run the Yanks have a chance of getting this entire game, is a solo HR by A-Rod.

  392. Angel August 21st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    This place is predictable.

  393. A-Fraud August 21st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    1-9 in the biggest series of the year

    a -fraud aka a huge looser

  394. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    in the post game if they even dare say the line “tip your cap” i will explode

  395. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    “This place is predictable.”

    Pathetically predictable.

  396. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    The Yankee system is a joke and a fraud. We’ve all seen the fruits of it this year. Name me the future all star from this group.

    Kennedy, Duncan, Melky, Robertson, Hughes, Britton, Gardner, Christian

    It is why we are a 4th place team. Not being able to identify who the studs are and who the fill ins will be. And trading the fill ins for stars now.

    Like, hey, Santana! How novel. Getting an in his prime ace for fill ins.

  397. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    This place is predictable because this team is predictable.

  398. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    right on, randy l. I’d thought Girardi would effect a change for the better in that department but so far, not so much.

  399. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Who cares when Robertson comes in?

    He’s not a set up man on this team. He’s a mop up man. That means taking the ball in the 3rd inning sometimes and giving 2-3 innings.

  400. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Oh I get it now. It’s the WAH WAH WAH Santana freak, only with a new screename.

    YAWN!

  401. MLL August 21st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Who doesn’t see a solo shot in the 7th by A-Rod down 8-0?

    Now that is predictable.

  402. DVAB ( GO CUBS ) August 21st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    http://www.wwfblogs.org/polarb.....701866.jpg
    .
    There is HOPE !!!
    .
    So unless the Yankees sweep Baltimore, the season is OVER, folks…that is, unless the Walrus strike Meester Roy before the fat lady sings tonight !
    :-)

  403. up w/Joba, down w/Joba August 21st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Trisha,

    How is Haladay responsible for the Yankees giving up seven runs???!!

    ______

    I am a reader of this blog who hardly comments. I’m just letting out a lot of pent-up frustration.

    I have also supported A-rod all along, even two years ago when everybody was booing him, I was one of the few who refused to do so. But now I must admit the sad truth. The cancer on this team is A-rod. it’s not about numbers. It’s a chemistry and energy thing. there is a fungus in this organization that refuses to let the organism prosper. What is so frightening and depressing is that there is nothing we can do about this terminal illness…

  404. Nick in SF August 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Thank you, Josh.

  405. EDUB August 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    middle of the order is looking really good tonight

  406. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    and it doesnt help that the umpire was wrong on that last call on arod, im not saying that that would have changed this game but strikeouts just kill the game absolutely kills it, and of course the big g swings and misses

  407. A-Fraud August 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    when is the hot seat under Girardi butt start to get really hot and people worry about his job security?????

  408. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    It’s great to see how the Yankees simply wet their collective pants when Burnett and Halladay pitch. Nice effort again tonight.

  409. j August 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    i say hold auditions in september for next year. atleast then we could find out who can actually hit ml pitching from the minors.

  410. sw August 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    I hope Halladay enjoys his soon to be CG ShO.

  411. Double G August 21st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    There are plenty of Yankee fans who are still mad that Santana is pitching in Queens and we got to see Kennedy and Melky all year.

  412. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    “This place is predictable because this team is predictable.”

    Josh “grown men” cry here when the Yankees win if they get their feelings hurt because a player doesn’t do what they think he should each and every time. So we know it’s going to hell to pay for when the Yankees are losing.

  413. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    “Name me the future all star from this group.

    Kennedy, Duncan, Melky, Robertson, Hughes, Britton, Gardner, Christian”

    Hughes is still a kid and still has a shot. If you are willing to call him a bust already, then I beseech you to take over baseball operations for all the Yankees’ rivals. Aside from him, name me the guy from this group who was ever projected to be a future all star?

  414. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Trisah – are you talking about me?

  415. RalphieD August 21st, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    “Name me the future all star from this group.

    Kennedy, Duncan, Melky, Robertson, Hughes, Britton, Gardner, Christian”

    kennedy= head case…duncan=not a prospect…melky= supposed to be average…robertson= has looked very good when used properly…hughes= lol if your giving up on him…britton= prospect?!?!? are you kidding me….gardner= yea….not even a month played…chistian=not a prospect…

    all in all…very bad way to show the yankees “bad farm system”

  416. Double G August 21st, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    A-Rod is only about meaningless stats. Giambi lost his ability to hit when he stopped taking juice. He used to a 300+ hitter. Now what is he? A walk or a K or a homer. Abreu is streaky as they come. Not a great 3-4-5.

  417. A-Fraud August 21st, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    A-rod for sure has the smallest balls on the team..

  418. Doreen August 21st, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    I’m really, really, REALLY tired of the Santana talk. It’s done. He’s a Met. Get over it, for crying’ out loud. You can argue from every which way, and it’s still not going to change that fact.

    And the problem with the team this season, most games, is the offense, not the pitching. Santana couldn’t help that.

    And not much could have been done about the offense, because they’ve still got those contract situations. And even with that, no way does anyone predict the depth of the offensive problem.

  419. Angel August 21st, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    The one silver lining in them possibly missing the playoffs – the culling/thinning of the fanbase that will happen.

    Its long overdue.

  420. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    “Trisah – are you talking about me?”

    Josh, no. I am talking about the way this forum operates. That wasn’t about you personally.

  421. A-Fraud August 21st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    who has the worst center fielder in the league the yankees have the worst center fielder in the league

    god he has no range.. these yankees are full of flaws.. reshaping the team in 08!!!

  422. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    It’s an official bloodletting.

  423. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Where is the all star of the group?

    Hughes? Maybe? The guy doesn’t have a third pitch in his arsenal? He doesn’t throw mid to high 90′s. I just don’t see it. How many of those guys are all stars? Two pitch pitchers with an average fastball.

    The farm was overrated coming into the year and way too many jobs were given to bad farm system players.

    If they were all supposed to be average like you all say than why weren’t they traded????

    That’s my point.

    You identify the studs and keep them. Trade the rest for good players now.

  424. tampayank August 21st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    It’s great to see how the Yankees simply wet their collective pants when Burnett and Halladay pitch. Nice effort again tonight.

    I agree, lifeless bunch, this game is getting ugly

  425. Angel August 21st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Josh
    August 21st, 2008 at 8:23 pm
    This place is predictable because this team is predictable.

    BS – its not the team – its the fans. Its like this all the time for as long as I’ve been posting here – last year and the year before.

  426. A-Fraud.. 100 ways to prove the yanks in 09!!! August 21st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    traber!!!

  427. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    You can see from the replays that Johny Damon’s not getting any good jumps off the bat.

    At the crack of the bat he freezes for a full second before he begins to accelerate.

    At that point, no matter how fast he is, he has no chance at the ball.

  428. Zooboy August 21st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Where is P-A-V-A-N-O? Where is P-A-V-A-N-O? Where is P-A-V-A-N-O?
    Where is P-A-V-A-N-O? Where is P-A-V-A-N-O? Where is P-A-V-A-N-O?

  429. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    “I’m really, really, REALLY tired of the Santana talk. It’s done. He’s a Met. Get over it, for crying’ out loud. You can argue from every which way, and it’s still not going to change that fact.”

    Sorry but that ain’t happening. It is going to haunt this franchise for years especially if CC stays on the West Coast. You rarely get a chance to get an in prime ace. Deal with it.

  430. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Good luck to Tampa, Minn., and LAA. Would be nice to see Boston miss out on the playoffs.

  431. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Trisha – oh ok. I’m having a hard time keeping up with all the posts made while I’m typing.

    Sorry if I’m being so negative, don’t feel that great today.

  432. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    lol @ the “Robertson is a mop up man” guy. Have you watched him pitch? He’s done terribly in mop up like situations, and pitched well in tight/tied games.

    Why is it so delusionally black and white with some of you people? He’s either our future closer/SU and establishes himself as such in his rookie year, or he’s a mop-up man? Real logical, and not at all reactionary.

  433. A-Fraud.. 100 ways to prove the yanks in 09!!! August 21st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    the yanks in 09 should call themsevles the redeem team.. bc ya know they really need to redeam themselves after this awful season!!

  434. Eric August 21st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Hughes is so good they are giving the ball to Carl Pavano on Saturday in a must win game and probably game 3 in Boston vs Lester.

  435. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    A-Fraud
    August 21st, 2008 at 8:27 pm
    A-rod for sure has the smallest balls on the team..

    ______________________________________________________

    One can only hope that you were an only child and caught the mumps when you were 10. With luck, your parents saw the folly of having more idiot children and got fixed.

  436. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Angel: I can’t wait for that part of it. Long overdue, indeed. I only wish they’d save the headaches for the next month and a half and disappear now.

  437. Angel August 21st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    And just to be clear, I wasn’t talking about you specifically either, Josh – just generally.

  438. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Robertson a future closer?

    Oh boy.

    I bet you also believe that Alan Horne, Chase Wright, Jeff Marquez and Ian Kennedy will be in the rotation next year too. And Juan Miranda will be playing 1b and Bret Gardner in CF.

  439. BROKEN NEWS . . . August 21st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Even if this team somehow managed to squeak into the playoffs, they would face any team’s best pitching beginning with the Angels.

    GOODNIGHT 2008 !

  440. A-Fraud.. 100 ways to prove the yanks in 09!!! August 21st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Greenberet 7

    W.e you say.. but we all know a-rod has pretty small balls.. the smallest balls on the team.. or tied with Giambi bc of all the roids he was on!!1

  441. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    You know they have to be women fans if they are ok with losing so it thins the fan base out. Like this is getting into Bloomingdales for sale or something.

  442. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    And William “The Lionhearted” Traber has been sent in to wrestle the lions.

  443. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    “Sorry if I’m being so negative, don’t feel that great today.”

    Hey Josh, I’m sorry you’re not feeling well, and you never have to apologize to anyone for being negative – which I don’t believe you are incidentally. This isn’t a fun game to watch. There is a difference between being frustrated and disappointed (which I’m sure we all are when we watch games like this) and being an animal. Unfortunately for those of us who are disappointed but still believe in our team, we have to put up with the over-the-top absolute flipping out that happens whenever the Yankees are losing. There is absolutely no proportion here with posters who rage as a matter of course.

  444. j August 21st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    you know your team is bad when the light hitting jays are posied to score 10-15 runs today.

  445. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    ugh i love damon i really really do, hes one of my favorite players on this team

    but I was also a huge melky fan even when he was in a slump, i liked him so much because i trusted him defensively, i knew for the most part that the melkman would catch it or at least give it a diving try, like i said i love damon but melky would have saved us runs this series, even if he didnt give us any

  446. Saints August 21st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Who cares about the playoffs?

    Like we could get 5 runs in 3 games off Santana, Lackey and Saunders.

  447. Doreen August 21st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    No, I really don’t have to “deal with it.” From all accounts, the Twins wanted the Sun, the Moon and Stars for Santana, from either the Yankees or the Red Sox. They played games and played the Yanks versus the Sox. It was going to be way too high a cost in players alone, and THEN you have to factor in the money (not that big a deal) and the YEARS. Hindsight is always 20/20, but even with hindsight, a blind person could see that Santana was not going to make a difference given the way the team has performed.

    You just move on. There’s no choice. harping on it does not make the team better, and from what I’m reading here the last few days, there are so many so-called fans actually rooting against the team/players they’re supposedly fans of.

    Young players take time to develop and it’s no different for the Yankee organization than it is for any other. The pinstripes are not a magical uniform that makes everything automatic.

  448. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    A-Fraud.. 100 ways to prove the yanks in 09!!!
    August 21st, 2008 at 8:36 pm
    Greenberet 7

    W.e you say.. but we all know a-rod has pretty small balls.. the smallest balls on the team.. or tied with Giambi bc of all the roids he was on!!1

    _____________________________________________________
    I guess you’ve been checking them out up close and personal. It’s the only way you’d know that, Tulip.

  449. JR Yankees August 21st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    The only thing we can hope for at this point is that Halladay uses so few pitches to shutout the Yankees that the Jays decide he can start tomorrow too against Boston.

  450. DVAB ( GO CUBS ) August 21st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Chicago Cubs over the Tampa Bay Rays in this year’s World Series…Yankees OUT of the playoffs…..BIZARRO WORLD !

  451. A-Fraud.. 100 ways to prove the yanks in 09!!! August 21st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Pitching and Defense wins champiionships and Games!!!

    the yanks defense is poor
    the yanks pitching is poor

    so why does everyone expect us to win games!!!

  452. Oz August 21st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    “Unfortunately for those of us who are disappointed but still believe in our team, we have to put up with the over-the-top absolute flipping out that happens whenever the Yankees are losing. There is absolutely no proportion here with posters who rage as a matter of course.”

    How can you believe in this team? What have they done this year to make you a believer? I’m dying to know.

    I’m sorry but most of us with a brain aren’t okay with trotting out scrubs like Ponson, Pavano, Igawa, etc.

  453. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    jersey,
    wow still living with your mother im guessing, please take your ignorance else where.

  454. A-Fraud.. 100 ways to prove the yanks in 09!!! August 21st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Hmm.. Greenberet 7

    well we all know a-rod has small balls because he is most unclutch human being alive

    and we all know giambi has small balls because thats the effect of taking roids

    10-0!!! a joke

  455. Oz August 21st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    “From all accounts, the Twins wanted the Sun, the Moon and Stars for Santana,”

    They didn’t want Joba. Knew he was off limits.

    So what else giving them would matter???

    Kennedy?? Melky??? Hughes? Are you kidding me?

    If those 3 are the Sun, Moon and the Stars than we are done for years to come.

  456. Jack August 21st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    2 grandslams off the doc and we r back in the game!

  457. Nick in SF August 21st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Angel, I’m not sure what your point is.

    Sure, it’s predictable that when the team stinks and is playing ugly, boring baseball, a lot of posters will gripe. It’s just as predicatable that a number of posters will gripe about the griping. Sure, some of the complaining and negativity is over the top/silly/etc. It’s the nature of the beast. More hits for LoHud.

    Is there a Yankee blog where all the posters are really chipper and happy with the current state of the team and how the season’s been going?

    Pete Abe the real villain here for making blog attendance compulsory.

  458. tampayank August 21st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    # BROKEN NEWS . . . August 21st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Even if this team somehow managed to squeak into the playoffs, they would face any team’s best pitching beginning with the Angels.

    GOODNIGHT 2008 !

    That’s been the story of the last few years, beat up average pitching then face #1s and embarrass themselves….they have gotten to Beckett on occasion at least in the regular season

  459. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    “You know they have to be women fans if they are ok with losing”

    I don’t think it’s so much that we’re okay with losing as it is that we don’t turn into caged beasts resembling Satan when we’re losing.

    Nobody is enjoying this tonight. But I’m not ready to firebomb the team and kill the manager because we’re getting slaughtered. Boston lost last night 15-5. It happens.

  460. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Trisha – thanks. Yea disappointment is a good way to describe this season. Haha, I think these “animals” you are talking about are the fans that jumped on the bandwagon in the mid-90s. They probably don’t realize that before those glorious years, the Yanks did not play in October every year.

  461. Joe from Long Island August 21st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Doreen – I share your frustration. Unfortunately, we can’t change the level of discourse here anymore than we can get the Yanks to hit with RISP.

    Remember, though, that baseball is a game of redemption – there’s always another game, or in this case, another season.

  462. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Guess I struck a nerve “no words”. I’m guessing I’m right about you being a woman. And Angel. And Trisha. And BBB.

    It is why men fans can’t stand women fans.

    We aren’t ok with losing.

  463. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    A-Fraud.. 100 ways to prove the yanks in 09!!!
    August 21st, 2008 at 8:33 pm
    the yanks in 09 should call themsevles the redeem team.. bc ya know they really need to redeam themselves after this awful season!!

    I’ll agree with Trisha that, although a little angst is justified, too much whining ruins the enjoyment of the game itself. At that point, people can do themselves the favor of turning off the television or going to other websites.

    Vis-a-vis the “redeem team”, it was a corny gimmick from a hoodlum sport in an Olympics that I never bothered to pay much attention to. I’d croak if the Yankees adopted that kind of pathetic “feel-good” attitude.

  464. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    i bet the red sox players are in there hotel laughing there butts off at us

    im embarassed and its just the 4th innning

  465. Angel August 21st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Jersey
    August 21st, 2008 at 8:36 pm
    “You know they have to be women fans if they are ok with losing so it thins the fan base out. Like this is getting into Bloomingdales for sale or something.”

    Not really, Jersey – but nice sexist remark there.

    Just a low tolerance for the whiny, entitled, spoiled and stupid part of this fanbase.

  466. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    well this is some butt whuppin :(

  467. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    “I don’t think it’s so much that we’re okay with losing as it is that we don’t turn into caged beasts resembling Satan when we’re losing.”

    I guess we should all be happy that the team is playing like a bunch of quitting girls???

    This ain’t intramurals and these aren’t your kids playing. If you can’t understand that why are you even here posting?

  468. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    “How can you believe in this team? What have they done this year to make you a believer? I’m dying to know.

    I’m sorry but most of us with a brain aren’t okay with trotting out scrubs like Ponson, Pavano, Igawa, etc.”

    I am a believer because I am a fan. That’s pretty simple.

    Actually most of the posters here with a brain have come around to appreciating Ponson. There will always be a fringe that needs to wear Depends every game “just in case.” If the diaper fits, wear it.

  469. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Well, 10-0.

    JB must be having a ball.

    Go Yankees.

  470. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    It is why men fans can’t stand women fans.

    We aren’t ok with losing

    Who said we are ok with losing? Nothing I hate more than idiotic, ignorant and sexist fans. Congrats, you made the list.

  471. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Not sexist, Angel. It’s pretty spot on.

    This isn’t a bridge club. It’s a major league baseball team. If you can’t comprehend fandom and call everyone who is pissed off right now a “spoiled brat” and “babies” you really shouldn’t be here. Because you are way off.

  472. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    your absolutely right trisha
    and us “woman fans” need to stick together, we should have a party tonight, because we are so happy right now that our team is getting their but kicked right now

  473. stephen August 21st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    I have been a Yankees fan for 34 years, this is the worst I have ever felt. Switching to the Olympics…what the hell am I going to watch the rest of the season. Certainly not this garbage. Also, all these high salaries, have fun paying for it next year. All indications are that you and I the common fan are being priced out, I hope all these corporate folks balk out of paying 1,000-2,000-3,000 per ticket per game. This kind of lack luster play and over priced players are making me think of becoming a Twins fan. At least they have heart. $270 million for A-Joke, great idea, because he certainly would have gotten that money elsewhere. Which MLB club would have forked that over. No one, that’s why he crawled back and we paid him with $200 seats next year. Shame on all in this organization.

  474. Doreen August 21st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Thanks, Joe From Long Island.

    Can’t wait for the redemption part!

  475. Angel August 21st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    “Guess I struck a nerve “no words”. I’m guessing I’m right about you being a woman. And Angel. And Trisha. And BBB.

    It is why men fans can’t stand women fans.

    We aren’t ok with losing.”

    If not being okay with losing means acting like a spoiled, entitled child – then you’re more than welcome to it. Losing is a fact of life in sports.

  476. Travis August 21st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Let the housecleaning begin. Why delay the inevitable ? If odds were practically insurmountable a week ago, they’re even more so now.
    The Orioles are chomping at the bit.

  477. Ed August 21st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    As the Blue Jays’ announcere just said,
    “the royal butt kicking is in full effect!”

    Nope. Can’t argue with that a bit.

  478. Kill-Schill(ing) August 21st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Man did the Yankees get unlucky. Last Friday night it rained in Boston, raining out Halliday’s start and moving Burnett from Sunday into this series.

    As a consequence, the Yankees had to face Burnett and Halliday, rather than the Red Sux having to face both this weekend.

    Every force imaginable has conspired against the Yankees this season from injuries to the weather to the bounce of the ball.

    I’m still sick and tired of Cashman and his arrogance. Only someone unchecked power would be presumptuous enough to think he could entrust 2/5 to 3/5 of his rotation to rookies and still manage to make into the post-season.

    Cashman hasn’t made a single wise decision about the Yankees’ starting rotation since he became GM.

    More sick than I am of Cashman however am I of all his apologists, idolaters, and wannabes that frequent this site and defend every thing the man does and excuse his every folly.

  479. 3 Goals August 21st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    This team should have 3 goals for the remainder of the year and they are as follows:

    1) Stay out of 4th or 5th place
    2) Keep the Red Sox out of the playoffs
    3) Inch further towards the wild card (but know that you have absolutely no chance of making it there and if by chance you do, know that you will exit in the first round.)

    9 more years of anguish and torment.

  480. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Who said we are ok with losing? Nothing I hate more than idiotic, ignorant and sexist fans. Congrats, you made the list.

    I’ll add you into the female loony fan base.

    It is why guys go to bars with guys to watch games and hangout with guys and the girls go shopping. They don’t know what being a fan and rooting is like. Call it sexist. It’s reality.

    Exemplified by all the females here saying take it easy, its just a game, Halladay is good, we’ll get ‘em next yr.

    You all just don’t have a clue.

  481. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Hard to Believe But True: The Yankees have retired 12 Jays; 15 have reached base.

  482. sunny615 August 21st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    I never had much hope of Ponson beating Halladay anyway…

    but I never thought Ponson would totally revert back to patheticness… season is in SERIOUS jeopardy – as in over…

    sigh..

  483. sw August 21st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    I think the Yankees are ready to go eat crabcakes. Halladay won’t even have to throw 100 pitches for a CG at this rate.

  484. Hybrid Moments August 21st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    The deal that Cashman turned down (and this was confirmed by Cash on WFAN) for Santana was:

    Hughes, Melky, Marquez, and Hilligoss.

    It was foolish not to make the trade but what’re you gonna do about it now

  485. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    “If not being okay with losing means acting like a spoiled, entitled child – then you’re more than welcome to it. Losing is a fact of life in sports.”

    You keep proving my point, Angel.

    Again, why are you here?

  486. A-Fraud.. 100 ways to prove the yanks in 09!!! August 21st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    where can the yankees draw inspiration and get on a run???? michael phelps, the redeem team, nypd getting a salary raise.. give me some idea.. and ill write the yankees an important letter to get them motivated

  487. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    “I guess we should all be happy that the team is playing like a bunch of quitting girls???

    This ain’t intramurals and these aren’t your kids playing. If you can’t understand that why are you even here posting?”

    A bunch of quitting girls? See that’s the beginning of the disconnect because I don’t agree that they are playing like a bunch of quitting girls. They’re playing like just another team being mastered by Doc Hallady, you know the pitcher who has 8 CG?

    And there is a huge expanse between being happy and acting like an out-of-control raging idiot. (not you personally since I really haven’t been following your posts in particular.)

    If you are so disgusted with the Yankees why are YOU even posting? I’m posting because it’s the team I root for and support and I don’t turn on them when they aren’t dancing the way I think they should. I think that’s called a fair weather fan.

  488. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    The deal that Cashman turned down (and this was confirmed by Cash on WFAN) for Santana was:

    Hughes, Melky, Marquez, and Hilligoss.

    It was foolish not to make the trade but what’re you gonna do about it now

    We can complain about it for years because that is how long it will take to recover from it.

  489. sunny615 August 21st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    og for christ’s sake…

    g’night.

  490. nemo August 21st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    I think a lot of frustration from fans stems from the fact that many of us (probably who have played baseball for most of our lives) seem to know how to manage this team better than our manager.

    And while the Nady trade was a decent one, many of us knew that the #1 thing we needed was pitching.

    These frustrations didn’t start this year. They are only being magnified this year because of how extraordinarily bad the Yankees have been playing. When we as fans continue to see the same problems (and how to fix them) year after year after year and the Yankees front office refuses to address them, it’s obvious to see why some fans turn the way they do. We have every right to, especially the way this team has performed this year.

    A $200 Million payroll — to be in third (when we deserve to be in last)

    I can’t imagine our frustrations next year if the front office doesn’t make changes. If they don’t shed dead weight (Giambi, Pavano, etc) and fill holes that have been there for the past few years (1B, pitching) — I can’t even continue, it leaves me speechless. I can’t contemplate them not doing it.

  491. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    anyways it was good to talk about something else besides this game which is going even worse than expected, im over it

  492. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    trisha, I’m real sorry but you have little credibility in here. You have been a joke all season. All you do is complain about other posters. Your weird support for terrible players and your defense of this team defies logic.

    I shake even writing to you as it means I’m acknowledging your craziness.

  493. RaysRock August 21st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Before the first Yankees vs. Rays game this year, Pete Abraham was making fun of the “Champions of Spring” Tampa Bay Rays. Who’s laughing now Pete?! Obviously that is a rhetorical question – haha!

  494. Bryan August 21st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Jersey – you sure make me feel bad about coming from the Garden State. Your comments – absurd generalizations about the differences between men and women – are not “spot on.” They are ill-defined, overly broad, and, in plain words, sexist. If you do not feel you are sexist, you should question what sexism is, and check to see if it applies to you. If you are okay with being sexist, there is no reason to listen to anything you have to say.

  495. T D August 21st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    How was anyone watched this team since the ASG and been happy with it?

  496. Kill-Schill(ing) August 21st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Does Billy Traber suck or what? My God, why is this guy on the roster? Don’t they have anybody down in Scranton they can use as a reliever? This guy has sucked all season.

  497. Angel August 21st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Jersey
    August 21st, 2008 at 8:47 pm
    Not sexist, Angel. It’s pretty spot on.

    This isn’t a bridge club. It’s a major league baseball team. If you can’t comprehend fandom and call everyone who is pissed off right now a “spoiled brat” and “babies” you really shouldn’t be here. Because you are way off.

    Yes, it is. You made my opinion, completely about what my sex is. Nothing more, nothing less.

    You said it, not me.

  498. Rob NY August 21st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    “Vis-a-vis the “redeem team”, it was a corny gimmick from a hoodlum sport in an Olympics that I never bothered to pay much attention to. I’d croak if the Yankees adopted that kind of pathetic “feel-good” attitude.”

    A hoodlum sport? I don’t want to derail the entire thread so I’ll make my point and not talk about it anymore. I think there is a racist undertone to comments like that. Whether theyre made by ordinary fans or coo coo for coa coa puffs radio hosts. You can’t stereotype an entire sport of people that includes Eastern Europeans, Asians, Whites, Blacks, and every other type.

    Meanwhile, the Yankees are doing their best to clear the decks of the bandwagon with this god awful season. Thirteen runs is absolutely unnecessary but for some reason I still think they have a shot. They may have killed that shot by the end of next week but if they can just do what they haven’t done all year and hit with RISP maybe we could win enough to sneak in. The real question I think we have to ask ourselves as fans is would we want to back our way into the post season and get blown away again?

  499. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    I’ll add you into the female loony fan base.

    It is why guys go to bars with guys to watch games and hangout with guys and the girls go shopping. They don’t know what being a fan and rooting is like. Call it sexist. It’s reality.

    Exemplified by all the females here saying take it easy, its just a game, Halladay is good, we’ll get ‘em next yr.

    You all just don’t have a clue.

    Well, well, well. Look at what we have here ladies..
    It’s like a case study in stupidity with each post from this fool.

    Why he is even here? Who knows, I guess mommy stepped away from the computer..

  500. Jeff NJ: Let Joba Play! August 21st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    ok Negative Nancy’s (and Pete’s), 6 out with 35 to play is manageable. Ok time for me to make my predicitions:

    Lose tonight, win 2 of 3 in Bal to get to 69-61
    2 of 3 vs. Bos to 71-62
    We miss Doc vs. Tor, win 2 of 3, 73-63
    Beat tht Tigers, 2 of 3 from TB, sweep Sea, 1 of 3 vs Ana: 80-66
    10-6 in last 16 to get to 90 wins. Will that be enough? We’ll see.

  501. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Billy Traber was Cashman’s top lefty out of the pen. Oops, sorry, he was the only lefty.

  502. A-Fraud.. 100 ways to prove the yanks in 09!!! August 21st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    signing off.. talk to you guys tmw

    a-rod is still my least favorite person on earth

  503. Zooboy August 21st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Damon with the clutch running catch. A-Rod must be impressed.

  504. no words (we can do this!?!) August 21st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    wow just wow
    and michael kay is rubbing salt in the wound, cody ransom pitching, come on give me a break and shut the heck up

  505. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Bryan or is it a troll from one of the female posters?

    I call them like I see them. And the female posters here are proving the rash generalization about females and fandom vs men and fandom.

    Use the brain God gave you and go back and read Angels, BBB, trisha, etc postings tonight and tell me how they are fans like men?

    They are like mothers watching their 8 yr olds t ball game. Everyone gets a trophy!

    We’ll get them next year!

    Sorry but most of us here aren’t like that. Deal with it.

  506. j August 21st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    for everyone who has to watch this bad season, heres the thing. almost all of us have memeories of the mid 90′s and thats the best thing. atleast i can say ive seen a world series win for the yanks. thats what keeps me going through the season.

  507. Nick in SF August 21st, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Jeff NJ, I pray you’re right. Maybe this pathetic display will be the final wakeup call.

    At least we still have Moose Mission 20.

  508. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    “Robertson a future closer?

    Oh boy.”

    Oh boy, indeed. According to brain surgeons like you, because he isn’t a future closer, it must mean he’s a mop up man.

    If stupidity were painful, you and the rest of the reactionary whiners would be writhing in agony.

  509. pat August 21st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    “Oops, sorry, he was the only lefty.”

    Marte

  510. george August 21st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    you can’t evaluate Hughes for Santana on the basis of 2008. that’s insane. look at that one around July 4 2010.

    how come this team has 8 relievers but no long man?

    well, i hope Gardner is the CF tomorrow night. this team needs some scrap and defense. whether he’s good – let’s find out. i mean what’s to lose.

  511. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Sorry, but this place is becoming as untenable as the other boards with trolls running wild and nobody stopping them. I guess quantity is the goal and not quality. Good job.

  512. j August 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    the great scuatro has lanched another 3 run homerun. atleast he is clutch.

  513. stuart August 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    YES YES YES.. SOME SANTANA TALK, WE NEVER hear about Santana… Were the Yanks talking about getting him??

    The losers and mindless morons will be talking about him for I say about 3 more years.. These are morons with no baseball knowledge who just want the Yanks to buy buy buy buy every toy there is..

    BRAIN SURGEONS IT HAS NOT WORKED IN THE LAST 7 YEARS..

    REALLY DO YOUR BRAINS WORK?????

    Traber does stink and why the hell is he on the team.. Traber cannot hit a corner ever…

    But let’s get to my favorite topic our star offense… They are showing a lot tonight.. the battling, the taking pitches, they just look like about $120 + mill give or take $20 mill.

    It is laughable, that morons talk about Santana while our pitching staff is .20+ better ERA then last years pitching but they do not have the brain matter to realize we are going to score at least 200 runs less then last year.. Can Santana hit?? SO it is official some moron poster told us the trade was hughes, hilligos, melky, and kennedy.. How this moron got that information is unknown to me but continue with the Santana garbage for a few more years it will change absolutley nothing..

  514. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Traber was that great lefty specialist.

    Cashman has a way of finding great ones.

    Heredia, Myers, Hammond

  515. Joe from Long Island August 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Kill-Schill – Does it really matter, about Traber, at this point? He probably won’t be around next year. Have a cold one. Not worth getting an ulcer over it, not tonight, anyway.

  516. Doreen August 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Jeff NJ –

    I don’t know. The Blue Jays have arranged their rotation so that both Halliday and Burnett faced the Yankees almost every time. This time the weather was the main reason, but I think they would have done it anyway. Last time wasn’t one of the them on short rest or something – the original rotation had the Yankees missing both of them and yet they saw both of them.

    We’ll find out more this weekend in Baltimore, though. But I’ll say this, if the Yankees falter, I at least hope they do well against the Red Sox and keep them out. I’m rooting for the Twins, I guess, if the Yankees aren’t up to it.

  517. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Pat — I was speaking about the first 4 months of the season. Yes, we now have Marte. Maybe he’ll be an asset in ’09.

  518. Kill-Schill(ing) August 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    BBB is a chick?

    Come on, guys, there are some very intelligent women who post here: Rebecca and Mel; Trish compensate with passion and dedication whatever she lacks in expertise.

    90% of the idiots who post here have a shlong.

  519. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    Okay, small victories here.

    Break the Shutout.

    That’s all I’m asking.

  520. They shoot horses don't they? August 21st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    DVAB ( GO CUBS )

    I imagine you just might have the right teams in the world series but I think based on the Rays sweeping the Cubs back in Jun that it would more likely be the Rays coming out on top. JMO

  521. Hybrid Moments August 21st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    Its not going to take years to recover from the non-trade. All they have to do is sign Sabathia. But I am sure with your doom and gloom attitude thats out of the question right?

  522. Tonight's burning question August 21st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    How many days before pitchers & catchers report to Tampa in February ?

  523. Denny August 21st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Someone got stuart started.

    You are in for it now. Be prepared. No one defends the great Yankee farm system and bashes the overpaid vet’s quite like our stewie.

  524. Terry from New Hampshire August 21st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Completely Disgraced right now. It is almost hard the wear the “NY” hat here in NH.

  525. stephen August 21st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    The 4×100 relay team dropped the stick and were DNF’d. They must have practiced with Damon.

  526. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Jersey, if you read Bryan, Jeff NJ, and Nick in SF’s recent posts, you will see that there are male posters who are very disappointed in tonight’s game but who can still articulate with maturity and intelligence, even managing to find some hope in the rest of the season.

    Those are the men we value.

  527. Angel August 21st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    “If not being okay with losing means acting like a spoiled, entitled child – then you’re more than welcome to it. Losing is a fact of life in sports.”

    You keep proving my point, Angel.

    Again, why are you here?”

    Because there ARE fans here who make it worthwhile coming here. You don’t happen to be one of them, Guido. I’ve been posting here a long time, but I’ll be damned if I’ll let a sexist prig like you be the reason why I don’t.

  528. Hybrid Moments August 21st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Stuart,

    I got my information from WFAN and the GM of the team. Maybe you should look in the mirror if you’re looking for a moron, jack ass.

  529. kidjock August 21st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    trish keep up the optimism. mama always said there would be days like this.

  530. Kill-Schill(ing) August 21st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    “SO it is official some moron poster told us the trade was hughes, hilligos, melky, and kennedy.. How this moron got that information is unknown to me but continue with the Santana garbage for a few more years it will change absolutley nothing..”

    Looks like you’re the MORON, go read Bill Madden in The Daily News, moron, Cashman-idolater and suck-up.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....s_and.html

    Maybe if you kiss his butt long enough and apologize for his every move he’ll not give you a job.

  531. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    “Its not going to take years to recover from the non-trade. All they have to do is sign Sabathia. But I am sure with your doom and gloom attitude thats out of the question right?”

    What is the guarantee that Sabathia signs on the dotted line for the Yankees? There is none. Santana was a guarantee. Sabathia sure does like hitting and dominating weak NL lineups.

    Don’t worry, we’ll overpay for AJ Burnett and Ben Sheets.

  532. nemo August 21st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    I always found it funny how these “fans” say that anyone who isn’t cheering the Yankees on is a troll or a “fair-weathered fan.”

    Believe it or not, you can be a fan — and admit the team sucks and wont go anywhere (read: doesn’t deserve to) this season.

    And lets be honest with ourselves, people… the Yankees haven’t given us anything positive to talk about this season. Aside from Moose, and Joba. (Although I do like Gardner and Christian) But how long can you talk about those guys when almost every single game is near-torture?

  533. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Man, this blog is one strange combination of misogynists, pollyannas, and holier-than-thous.

  534. Dionysus August 21st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Re Signing Sabathia: Are you sure you WANT to? With whats being done to his arm right now, I’m not sure I’d want anything to do with him.

  535. Zooboy August 21st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    This blog is uglier than the game tonight.

  536. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Wow, the level of discourse in here has really plummeted now. Who said anyone was ok with losing? I know I rip this team all the time for their lack of showing up. Being glad that maybe the fan base will now be rid of a few of its many idiots is not tantamount to being ok with losing.

    But for all means, if you can’t stand to watch the Yankees lose, then go root for your other favorite teams the Patriots, Cowboys, Red Wings, Spurs and Lakers. They must do enough winning for your tastes.

  537. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Like I said before, trisha. You have little credibility here.

    I can’t take anyone seriously who is such a strident defender of Sidney Ponson and Kei Igawa. Just can’t.

    And I’m sure there are some PC guys out there that will disagree with what I said. But deep down they know I’m right. I just had the stones to say so.

  538. Kill-Schill(ing) August 21st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    BBB, are you a woman?

  539. Kill-Schill(ing) August 21st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Are you hot and under 35?

  540. Kill-Schill(ing) August 21st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    sorry that was a bit chauvinist too but I couldn’t resist.

  541. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    “Well, well, well. Look at what we have here ladies..”

    A guy who hasn’t gotten laid since the Kennedy administration?

  542. Hybrid Moments August 21st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    “What is the guarantee that Sabathia signs on the dotted line for the Yankees? There is none. Santana was a guarantee. Sabathia sure does like hitting and dominating weak NL lineups.

    Don’t worry, we’ll overpay for AJ Burnett and Ben Sheets.”

    There isn’t a guarantee. But if you don’t think the Yankees are going to be serious players for this guy you’re out of your mind. They’ll offer him the moon and the only way he doesn’t come to New York is if he doesn’t want to. And what a shame it would be if the Yankees signed Burnett. I mean he has only been an above average pitcher for the last four years.

  543. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    There is no way one can watch this team day after day and be positive about anything.

    There is NOTHING to be positive about. Nothing.

    Joba is hurt. The offense can’t hit and no one is having a good year. Mariano can’t pitch unless its a save spot.

    I guess we can root for Mussina to get 20 wins.

  544. Bryan August 21st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Jersey -

    Grouping people by sex and attributing non-sexual characteristics to them is the definition of being sexist. It doesn’t matter what a small number of people have written, and whether you disagree with it or not. Just like grouping people by race and attributing non-racial characteristics to them is being racist.

    I don’t understand what being “fans like men” means to you. How do you define that?

  545. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    LOL Kill-Schill,

    I was thinking about responding to that opening, then thought better of it.

    ;)

  546. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    “trish keep up the optimism. mama always said there would be days like this.”

    kidjock – :)

    You’re my bud. Someone said the Sux must be laughing at us right now. After losing 15-5 last night? I doubt it.

  547. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Say this about Traber — he’s a battler!

  548. Kill-Schill(ing) August 21st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Hey, Pete, will Cashman ever once accept responsibility for his mistakes, EVER– Does this man ever take responsibility or admit he was wrong?

    Or are we going to get more risible defenses of Carl Pavano’s work ethic?

  549. Basta! August 21st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    I’m with you JERSEY!

  550. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Oh, and yeah Kill-Schill, I am a chick, my handle doesn’t give it away but I got attatched to it once I posted w/it a few times.

  551. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Jersey
    August 21st, 2008 at 9:10 pm
    There is no way one can watch this team day after day and be positive about anything.

    There is NOTHING to be positive about. Nothing.

    Yes, yes.

    The sky is falling, the end is upon us, we await armageddon.

    Meanwhile…

    Just get ONE RUN!!!

  552. RayBlay August 21st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Count me as one female poster here who does NOT take anything with the glass half full. What bothers me, though, is that everyone has to take one side to an extreme. All, if not most, of the women here cannot count the Yankees out until they are actually mathematically eliminated. Meanwhile, some guys are like that, while most of the rest have said the Yankees were dead since May and haven’t had anything good to say about anyone. Why can’t anyone find a healthy medium?

  553. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    “There isn’t a guarantee. But if you don’t think the Yankees are going to be serious players for this guy you’re out of your mind. They’ll offer him the moon and the only way he doesn’t come to New York is if he doesn’t want to.”

    And they’ll have to overpay huge for him to come to a place he doesn’t even want to go.

    haven’t we seen that enough already here? Those types cannot be successful here in NY.

    Plus, Milwaukee is killing his arm and he’s a fattie already who won’t age well. And you want to give him a 7 yr deal with 20mill per?

    You do realize we could have given that to Santana and had him this year and only given up one prospect that matters and he’s no sure thing.

    You don’t put your eggs in a Free Agents basket. His agents will use us to get every last nickel from a Cali team.

  554. Vader August 21st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    ZMAN7777, it’s like a car wreck, you just have to look.

  555. Kill-Schill(ing) August 21st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Come on, BBB, I got some while Reagan was still in the Oval Office. No wait, four years later too. You think it was called the first Bush administration by accident.

  556. stuart August 21st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Yeah Denny brain surgeon Robertson stinks and will never amount to anything is the usual garbage from retards like you on this site.. Yeah he stinks he is 23 and will never amount to anything nonense is just idiotic.. Denny you do not even know there is a farm system, you think they grow crops there..

    I am not in love with every young guy but I know you cannot build a team exclusively on superstars whom do not do the little things.. That is it, not a real complicated theory.. Build from within and young guys take time.. But people like DENNY and other spoiled 12 years old want there team to win every game and it is not going to happen.

    Yeah I was not upset when Arod opted out, I thought in the long run it would benefit the Yanks and I pray; giambi, abreu, pavano, one of the old vet starters, betemit, do not come back..

    I do like CC as a pick up but that is about it, I am not in love of getting Tex., I do not think it will be worth the costs but Giambi is so gone I am smiling as I type this..

    AJ Burnett signing would be a mistake like what the Yanks have made for many years; he is 31, injury ridden, and a moron. He has 1 thing going for him he is really really talented but that is it…

  557. Rob NY August 21st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    This game must be some kind of sick Karma for how much I enjoyed the G-Men dismantling the Browns on Monday. Why is it that when the Yankees were good the Giants couldn’t win and now the Giants look like they could be a bit of a force to reckon with the Yankees couldn’t win the sally league?

    Mussina to 20 !

  558. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    A guy who hasn’t gotten laid since the Kennedy administration?

    I was thinking Eisenhower Administration, but it could also be Kennedy. :P

    This place needs registration.

  559. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    My god, I can’t even enjoy the Olympics. First the men in the relay drop the baton, and now the women.

  560. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    RayBlay — post of the day. There is no humor here, no playful banter. Either people are Little Miss Sunshines or looking to pick a fight. Pretty sad.

  561. stephen August 21st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    So I am sick of watching the Yankees lose games like this. Disgusted by the disappointment. Put the Olympics on, track and field. Great US dominates here! I then watch the men and get this women’s 4×100 team both drop the stick and get DNFd. I’m going to bed!

  562. David NY August 21st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    We have some major retooling to do this winter.

    I don’t know if Cashman and Girardi are the guys to do it.

    Time to clean house and really start over.

  563. Doreen August 21st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Maybe someday Cashman will write a book and tell everyone what he really thought about this or that. In the meantime, what’s he supposed to do, roast the players over the coals while expecting them to play for him? Same for whoever the manager is. You don’t throw your own players under the bus. they leave that for us fans!

  564. pat August 21st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Jersey

    Do you have a mother, wife, girlfriend or daughter?

  565. in other news ..... August 21st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Don’t get too excited over this Toronto trip. The Yankees get to play there again on Sept. 23-24-25 with Roy Halladay and A.J. Burnett ripe and ready to go.

  566. kidjock August 21st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    The same Sux who gave up 17 runs to a team 3 games under .500

  567. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Guys like stuart want the team to be all prospects and minor leaguers and no all stars or vets.

    You don’t win with that.

    As we are seeing this year. You can have fun with the Robertsons and Kennedys and Melkys.

  568. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    “Like I said before, trisha. You have little credibility here.

    I can’t take anyone seriously who is such a strident defender of Sidney Ponson and Kei Igawa. Just can’t.

    And I’m sure there are some PC guys out there that will disagree with what I said. But deep down they know I’m right. I just had the stones to say so.”

    Jersey, check this out:

    1. Everyone (before tonight anyway) had come around to admitting that Ponson was a great pick up. One bad game doesn’t change that. I was just objective enough to pick it up earlier than the posters who sleep with night lights on.

    2. No offense, but if you were to say you considered me credible, I would worry about myself. I hardly want to be considered credible by whining, complaining, immature pissants. I’ve actually achieved enough in life that my self esteem really isn’t dictated by who on a Yankee blog finds me credible and who doesn’t.

    3. I was wrong on Igawa. So kill me. Find me the person here who has been 100%. I’ve actually called them a lot more right than wrong pal.

    4. Do you REALLY think I care whether people agree with you, like that would change my way of life because others don’t see things the same way I do?

    You have a lot of growing up to do. Don’t let me stop you.

  569. I bought a Melky Jersey :( August 21st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    At least we have held them to 13.

  570. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Kidjock- those Sox also won that game by scoring 19 runs with clutch hitting.

    I don’t even have the energy to bash them tonight. Simply stating the facts.

  571. steve August 21st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    I hope we leave Traber in Toronto. No way should we waste a plane ticket on this guy

  572. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Block that kick, Edwar!

  573. Nick in SF August 21st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Jersey, could you do me a favor? As long as you’re assessing which posters do and do not have credibility, how about ranking them from top to bottom?

    To be fair, you should probably go back and read every post from every poster since, hmmm, let’s say the beginning of Spring Training. That’s a good sample size and it’ll cover the full spectrum of the season’s highs and lows.

    Please report back with your findings.

  574. Kill-Schill(ing) August 21st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Cashman’s ego has gotten way out of control. He’s actually started to believe his own cant.

    If the Yankees re-sign him, he needs to be held accountable to someone above him, a team President, perhaps, who is more than figurehead and buffoon like Randy Levine.

    Someone asked me the other day would I trade Cashman for Epstein and to be honest, I said I’d have to think about it.

  575. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    You realize the Mets are in 1st place with no bullpen, Tatis playing RF everyday, two rookies who aren’t outfielders in LF, Easley at 2b, and Beltran playing average all year?

    Because they have heart and starting pitching.

    Something we don’t have here.

    We have all stars at every position. Hall of Famers all over. Still always comes down to heart and starting pitching. You think they regret the Santana move??

  576. Zooboy August 21st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Good job Edwar! Turning point of the game, no doubt!

  577. Basta! August 21st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Don’t worry Jersey, you are right! Women do see things differently, no doubt!

  578. Kill-Schill(ing) August 21st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Ponson is fine as a 5th starter, perhaps even a 4th.

    The problem at the moment is that he’s become the Yankees 3rd starter. And he’s now scheduled to pitch next week against Boston.

  579. I bought a Melky Jersey :( August 21st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Cashman has done his job. He goes out and gets the people ownership wants. This wouldnt be nearly as bad if they werent having such a lousy year, and i really think the heart of this team left when Posada decided to have the surgery. We were 3 back of tampa at that time. Now look at us.

  580. j August 21st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    here comes a meaningless homerun.

  581. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    pat
    August 21st, 2008 at 9:17 pm
    Jersey

    Do you have a mother, wife, girlfriend or daughter?

    ________________________________________________________

    None stupid enough to claim being related to him.

  582. Angel August 21st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Oh you didnt know that happened Josh?

    I thought I read that earlier this morning.

  583. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    I’d trade Cash for Epstein any day. Epstein is not afraid to make moves, even unconventional ones. Cash signs “super-stars” every year, while Epstein is not afraid to let one go.

  584. RayBlay August 21st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Marco Scutaro is scarier than Ortiz in my book.

  585. Hybrid Moments August 21st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Ponson was a horrible pick up. The guy sucks. How hard is it to understand that he was just getting lucky? Hes had two good starts with the Yankees (against the Angels and Rangers). Every other start has been him loading the bases and getting lucky that a hit didn’t drop.

  586. MLL August 21st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    “Someone asked me the other day would I trade Cashman for Epstein and to be honest, I said I’d have to think about it.”

    Theo has rebuilt the farm system on the fly and won 2 titles in the process. Cashman is trying to do it but is fialing miserably.

    Theo also has put forth great young gamers like Youk, Pedr, Ellsbury. Cash has put lazy non workers like Cano, Melky.

  587. Rob NY August 21st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    “You think they regret the Santana move??”

    No, because they gave up two hot dogs and 3 packages of mustard to get him. Oh and that behemoth of a contract.

  588. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Way to work it, Alex. Nice AB!

  589. j August 21st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    look at that pateince in a non-pressure situation. if only that could be applied to real situations.

  590. RayBlay August 21st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Wait! Leadoff walks always come around to score, right?

  591. I bought a Melky Jersey :( August 21st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Sorry but despite this game, pitching is not the problem. They are getting more than they expected. They were built to hit to help the developing pitching. And we all know they absolutely are terrible at the plate.

  592. pat August 21st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    You have to admire at Halladay for being annoyed at giving up a walk in a 13-0 game.

  593. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Angel – Nope, I didn’t have time to read any newspaper this morning, too busy. Instead I got the lovely treat of watching both.

    Two guys on, no outs…please score.

  594. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Alright,

    First and second no out and X-man up.

    We can’t miss, can we?

  595. sunny615 August 21st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    18 hits to 3.

    wow.

  596. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    pat (another female poster who thinks the team is fine),

    Why would my wife or mother post here? They would be just like you. The season was great, guys!

    They played hard and we’ll get them next year!

    Thank God for the real fans here they don’t waste their time.

  597. beedogs August 21st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    we’re not even on pace to equal our win/loss record in 1993. those were the days. the yankees were 88-74 and life was great, because at least it wasn’t 1992.

    wonder if steve farr’s still available.

  598. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    I’m smelling a rally!

  599. Basta! August 21st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    Boy, Giambi was almost as fast as Molina getting to second!

  600. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    My main problem with Cashman is what I see as his insecurity. Almost completely cleaning out the organization of anyone associated with the Tampa faction, for example. I remember hearing that one of the people he let go was Wang’s minor league pitching coach (can’t recall his name) who clearly had done a great job with CMW seeing as the Yankees didn’t even see him as a serious prospect at one time. Seems like a guy like that could have helped out the organization further, but once Cash got full control, everyone associated with Tampa just had to go.

    It sucks because I would love to see Showalter brought back as president or some capacity where he has a lot of say into personnel added over the next few seasons, but with Cash at the helm I don’t see it happening.

  601. sunny615 August 21st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    better yet – 13 runs to diddly.

  602. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    “No, because they gave up two hot dogs and 3 packages of mustard to get him. Oh and that behemoth of a contract.”

    And what was the Yankee package? Ketchup and a burger?

  603. Basta! August 21st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Right on Jersey, if these guys are not gonna play to win then they might as well not play!

  604. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Cashman wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for Buck and Stick developing players in the 90′s.

    Yes, the same players that still star and are the core now. Cashman hasn’t put a new player to join that core in the 10 years he’s be in charge.

    Sinful.

  605. LLIME August 21st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Robertson isin’t very good.

    Melancon and Sanchez will displace him and Traber next year.

  606. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Finally!

  607. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    SUI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Welcome back my brotha!

    :D

  608. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    LOL at any rational human being who has watched all the games saying or thinking that this season has been anything approaching “great.” I’d love to see where any regular has said that.

    At least this Jersey guy is good for the laughs, though he also makes me feel slightly ashamed of my home state.

  609. Hybrid Moments August 21st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    I can’t take this anymore. When people start throwing around terms like ‘gamers’ and ‘heart’ then its time to abort mission. Keep blaming Cashman all you want. The only poor moves the guy has ever made was signing Igawa and not trading for Santana. Cry about the prospects we have go through growing pains and ignore the plethora of talent we have right now (Betances, Montero, Romine, Jackson) in the lower levels of our system. Yankee fans are getting to be just as bad as Red Sox fans these days.

  610. Basta! August 21st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Godzilla is back! To bad its kinda late!

  611. Angel August 21st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Yay… umm no shutout?

    Its not much, but its omething to be a little happy about.

  612. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Yes!

    Finally…

    Okay, I can go to sleep satisfied now…

    But I’ll stay awake to see if they can knock Halladay out; I’m greedy.

  613. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Now they just need 10 more runs

  614. Vitoooo August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Anyone else think maybe matsui should be put in the 5th spot (not just because he just hit a homerun)?

  615. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    11 more and we could win!

    :)

  616. Dave D August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Guys we can still rally… remember that Texas game in 06?

    C’mon Matsui, start us off, put one in the seats!

  617. kidjock August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Josh – Don’t remind me. The week they lose their best hitter, Ortiz returns to form and hits 2 HR’s in the first inning.

    Cash has done a good overall job. NO SHUTOUT!!!!!!!!!! Take that Halladay and your consecutive inning streak!

  618. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Ox — I happen to agree with you. Folks love to bash Girardi here. I say Cashman is the problem.

  619. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Cash is great.

    A lot of guys can put together a 4th place team with 230 million.

    You know. Have no lefty in the pen for 100 games. Have 3 rookies in a rotation. Have no CF who can hit. No speed on the bench. No capable 1b. No right hand power on the bench. Actually put nothing on the bench that is useful. No UTL infielder.

    Don’t sign your 1st round pick. Draft a 2nd rounder with shoulder problems.

    No one else can put together this kind of team.

  620. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    I CAN HIT BETTER THAN THIS TEAM IF I WAS SWINGING A TOOTHPICK!

    Sure you could :roll:

  621. russ August 21st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    this is a disgrace.this team has hit rock bottom.we should put damon/giambi/ on waivers.maybe abreu too.clear up some spots for sept 1.this team can’t be tweaked it needs to be torn down.release ponson and let igawa and wright finish out the year maybe they will gain trade vlue for the offseason.

  622. beedogs August 21st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    “Cashman wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for Buck and Stick developing players in the 90’s.”

    exactly! people sometimes forget gene michael was behind the wheel in the early to mid 90s.

  623. Semper Fi August 21st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Move Matsui up in the lineup

  624. LLIME August 21st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Girardi will say

    “I thought Siddy, Dave, and Billy threw the ball extremely well tonight”

  625. sunny615 August 21st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    wow. Guess Matsui really is clutch… but is it clutch if you’re down by 13 runs?

  626. Basta! August 21st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Matsui hit 5th and the G 7th!

  627. miggs August 21st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    wow

    lots of venom in here

    can’t say I’m surprised with the game being out of hand

    But sexist comments? Personal vicious attacks on other posters? That’s a little much. Have some perspective people.

  628. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Well, at least Matsui showed he still has the stroke. Good for him. Now, maybe he can mentor Cano.

  629. Yankee Trader August 21st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Gotta feeling someone getting fired after this debacle.

  630. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    What makes anyone think that Cashman will go out and sign Sabathia anyway even if CC wants to come here? He has shown in the past 4 years that he will not add payroll with a big ticket FA especially a pitcher. He will not have a 7 yr contract on the books. Every move he has made is against that type of thing.

    And don’t give me Hank will. Hank has about as much power as you or I. If Hank had any power Santana would be pitching Fri in Baltimore.

  631. george August 21st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    here’s one reason why astute baseball fans shouldn’t write off teams 6 games out on August 21. following are the standings on August 26 2008.

    http://www.baseball-reference......1995-08-26

    the Yanks are 5 games under .500 and 5 games out of the wild card, and have just lost 8 straight. the Mariners are 9 games behind th Angels. and of course both teams made the playoffs.

    baseball history is filled w/such examples. sure, the odds are against it. but hardly insurmountable

  632. Angel August 21st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    I think Matsui heard you and took pity on you, Josh.

  633. sunny615 August 21st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Britton? I guess we’re not going to try to win this game?

    Like the bullpen has anyone left?

  634. BBB August 21st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Hopefully Matsui will in fact be eased into the 5th spot now that he has had a few days to readjust to major league pitching.

    Anyway guys, I hate to ditch this party and all, but I have to go make dinner so I’m out like a fat kid in dodgeball. Try to stay away from the ledge everyone, this game sucks but it didn’t make or break our season. Writing’s been on the wall for a while now.

    And I hope to see Brett in center tomorrow.

  635. Harrison August 21st, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    I can’t think of a good move that Cashman has made since 2001.

  636. ramon August 21st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Francessa did say that we had to win 3 of the next 4 and it was ok if we lost tonight as long as we took all 3 in Baltimore.

  637. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Angel – haha I guess anything is possible. I forgot how much I like Matsui.

  638. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! August 21st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    it is possible to DFA Pudge as well? it’s obiviously he’s bad luck to the team.

  639. ZMAN7777 August 21st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Damon on the mound for the 8th. Let’s see him break 60 on the gun.

  640. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Harrison – Jose Molina.

  641. Clay Buchholz stole my laptop, (My Latest Blog Entry: Maybe The Tough Love Approach Will Work?... A Great Video Too) August 21st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    “All, if not most, of the women here cannot count the Yankees out until they are actually mathematically eliminated. Meanwhile, some guys are like that, while most of the rest have said the Yankees were dead since May and haven’t had anything good to say about anyone. Why can’t anyone find a healthy medium?”

    Ray Blay,

    I lean optimistic, but essentially, I’m Mister middle of the road.

  642. dan 771 August 21st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    britton is still here?

  643. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    This isn’t about writing a team off.

    It is about using common sense. What has this team done since AUg 1 to make you a believer and give you hope?

    They don’t do anything well. They can’t hit. The starting pitching is a total crap shoot and the pen has blown up since Aug 1.

    It is about seeing what’s on the field and knowing that this isn’t a playoff team let alone a good team.

  644. ARX August 21st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    If somehow some way we make the postseason having stuck with this team will make it that much sweeter….but nights like this are just brutal. Not to mention the office of Sox fans I have to go to work with in the morning :(

  645. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    If it makes you guys feel better, Sox had SS Alex Cora warming up in the bullpen yesterday during their 15-5 killing. Between Dice-K and Clay, their bullpen was exhausted.

    So it could be worse than Britton!

  646. MLL August 21st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    The Pudge destroyed any momentum this team built. The pitching was rolling with Molina as the everyday.

    Moeller would hit what Pudge is hitting right now.

  647. Ed - Yanks will be Yanks in the 2nd half! August 21st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Giambi got to switch gloves.

  648. MLL August 21st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Someone has to take the fall for this mess in the last yr of the stadium.

  649. russ August 21st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    we need to change the coaches and manager.at this point i would take stump merrill over giradi.all kidding aside can we really replace 5 positions in 1 offseason.this will be a process and will take a few years to create the right balance of talent and chemistry.1996 wasn’t bought so 2009 could be another tough year.we will be back, just not over night.

  650. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Torre vs the Mets and the Rays vs the Sox in the LCS.

    Worst nightmare could happen.

  651. COL 88 August 21st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    It is amazing how you can add 2 marquee players like Pudge and Marte and actually get WORSE.

    A lot of Cashman’s trades were of the garbage for garbage variety.

    ex. Farnsworth for Pudge
    Wright for Britton
    Proctor for Betemit
    Gonzalez for Nunez
    Olly, Vizcaino, Steven Jackson for Randy
    etc.

  652. Angel August 21st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    “LOL at any rational human being who has watched all the games saying or thinking that this season has been anything approaching “great.” I’d love to see where any regular has said that.”

    lol, thats part of the strategy though, BBB. When your whole argument is based on you being sexist, you have to exaggerate and misrepresent what it is that you’re countering.

    I for one, don’t believe I’ve ever said anything resembling that. Snakebit and disappointing are words I’ve used most often, when talking about this season, I think.

  653. T D August 21st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    We can retool pretty quick I think.

    They aren’t that far away especially if Joba and Wang are healthy and you add another frontline starter.

    Great starting pitching cures a lot of ills.

  654. LLIME August 21st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Jersey – I may need to root for the Mets if a NYM-LAD matchup came to fruition.

    I’d have no problem rooting for the Rays though in the playoffs.

  655. B-D-4 trains August 21st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    The best thing the traveling media contingent can do is ask no questions or conduct no post game interviews of Girardi and the players.
    Just get on the plane, write their columns and head for Baltimore and let the team wonder what’s up. Silence is golden.

  656. bphill August 21st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    traber has to be done…melancons turn.

  657. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    ZMAN7777
    August 21st, 2008 at 9:35 pm
    Damon on the mound for the 8th. Let’s see him break 60 on the gun.

    Anyone remember Wade Boggs and his knuckleball when he the Yankees needed some mop-up work?

    I remember he retired the side and it made my day!

  658. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Cashman hasn’t added anything to what Stick and Buck built. Not with one trade or one free agent signing. We’ve all seen enough of A-Rod to know we don’t want him up with anything on the line.

  659. bphill August 21st, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Al made a great point, that this team is really different, there is no chemistry whatsover. Team bonding my friends. Joe G, needs to take over with his leadership…HA!

  660. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    “Al made a great point, that this team is really different, there is no chemistry whatsover. Team bonding my friends. Joe G, needs to take over with his leadership…HA!”

    Winning breeds chemistry.

    Not the other way around.

  661. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    If Boston gets in who is going to beat them?

    Lester, Beckett, Dice K are dominant. Beckett may be average now but when Oct 1 rolls around the guy has 6 other gears. That lineup is a bunch of grinders and Papi actually gets hits with runners on in big spots. Perish the thought!

    The Angels can’t beat them when it counts and the Rays had a nice season but come on. Especially without Longoria, Percival and Crawford.

  662. mark 21 August 21st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    tabata – double, triple, 2 walks

    all while jackson is striking out at an alarming rate and while nady has come back down to earth and marte has been a disaster.

    that trade was awful. and we could have had mccutchen starting instead of ponson/pavano/rasner. we could have had ohlendorf in the pen instead of robertson.

    this is going to be like the Teixeria-salty trade where atlanta got taken to the cleaners.

  663. Angel August 21st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Haha, that was a funny memory, Terry.

  664. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    “If Boston gets in who is going to beat them?

    Lester, Beckett, Dice K are dominant. Beckett may be average now but when Oct 1 rolls around the guy has 6 other gears. That lineup is a bunch of grinders and Papi actually gets hits with runners on in big spots. Perish the thought!

    The Angels can’t beat them when it counts and the Rays had a nice season but come on. Especially without Longoria, Percival and Crawford.”

    Beckett? Dominant? Really? Have you been paying attention this season?

    Dice-K? He of the 5 inning, 100 pitch special?

  665. MLL August 21st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Winning breeds chemistry. Teams look a lot livelier when they win 2 out of every 3 games. You don’t have to best friends to win.

  666. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    “tabata – double, triple, 2 walks

    all while jackson is striking out at an alarming rate and while nady has come back down to earth and marte has been a disaster.

    that trade was awful. and we could have had mccutchen starting instead of ponson/pavano/rasner. we could have had ohlendorf in the pen instead of robertson.”

    You might want to take a look at the leagues/parks they play in. They’re different. In ways that might make one look better and the other worse. Just saying…

  667. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    I’d much rather have the Sox win than the Rays. If Rays win, we’d have to deal a whole new crop of annoying fans and trolls.

    Lets just keep it Yanks and Sox – no need to add in a third.

  668. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    BRANDON, DON”T WORRY I’LL STICK AROUND FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON!

    Another words you’ll restart your computer to erase your IP and post as another SN handle. If that’s the case she got you there Pete. :?

  669. sw August 21st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    LOL, Molina’s now playing first base.

  670. LLIME August 21st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Oh, no doubt. If Beckett is Beckett, the Sox will be extremely difficult to catch.

    The Angels will revert back to the the pre-2008 Angels the second they step into Fenway in the playoffs. Rays will never survive on that stage. Twins already got swept in Fenway.

    In a short series, nobody can employ a better 1-2-3 than Beckett, Dice-K, Lester. Their middle relief is very shaky though, lots of 6 out saves for Papelbon. Or maybe they try Buchholz in the pen or something.

    If you look at it, the Sox are setup perfectly for a short series. Their offense just has gamer after gamer and they have the mystique that we once had. I’ll be rooting against them, but I am not very confident that they will falter in October.

  671. jane2 August 21st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Ter 1

    Yeah, I remember Boggs pitching. That was great.

    Do we have any position players who could do that (credibly) now?

  672. ARX August 21st, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    Just as long as the idiot isnt posting from my ISP when the eventual IP-range ban comes down :P

    Meh, I’d root hard for the Angels and the METS before I ever accept the thought of another Sox title…

  673. Mike August 21st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    just…ignore

  674. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    “The Angels will revert back to the the pre-2008 Angels the second they step into Fenway in the playoffs. Rays will never survive on that stage. Twins already got swept in Fenway.”

    Luckily, in a best of 5, 3 of the 5 are not in Fenway. In a best of 7, 4 out of 7 are not in Fenway.

  675. nemo August 21st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    another sox title? Please… you guys must be kidding.

    I’d rather deal with another 5 years of this Yankee team than see the sox keep winning the WS.

  676. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    21 hits for the light hitting Jays.

    Now I know how KC fans thought Sunday.

  677. nemo August 21st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    why do we still have betemit?

    molina is playing first?

  678. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Tabata wasn’t traded because he was a scrub.

    You have to give to get. Nady and Marte for 2+ years is worth an immature OF they don’t ever think we hit with enough power.

    Stop making Tabata out to be a sure thing.

  679. Yankee Trader August 21st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    This has to be the most hits the Blue Jays have had this season.

    As well as Moose is pitching, I would go to him, ask if we put him on waivers, we would trade him to only an AL contender to give him a chance at 20 wins. Then we’d like to bring him back as a FA.

    The rest of the FAs, should be put on waivers to see if we can work out deals.

  680. dan 771 August 21st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    why can’t we find young players like daniel murphy or nick evans?

  681. j August 21st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    i hope that austin jackson comes up for sep. atleast we can see if he can hit ml pitching.

  682. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    It was chub’ems who had that interview w/ the Jays GM and 10 seconds after he clicked he muttered how the Jays don’t have the fire to take out a Red Sox or Yankees team out of the WC run. Thanks Fat Boy. Please Chunky call the Orioles GM and say the same.

  683. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Jersey
    August 21st, 2008 at 9:47 pm
    If Boston gets in who is going to beat them?

    Lester, Beckett, Dice K are dominant.

    Dice-K is dominant?

    Whatever you say Jersey.

    Personally, I’d consider it a gift if Francona sent him up against the Yankees. His BABIP is out of this world but when his luck runs out, it’s going to be ugly.

    Bosox best pitchers are Beckett, Lester and Wakefield in that order.

    Of course, if you think Matsuzaka is really THAT dominant, then Francona will put money your mouth is and make Dice-BB the #2 or even the #1 starter in the first round of the playoffs. Your #1 and #2, in dire circumstances, can pitch twice in the series.

    Won’t happen though because Francona’s too smart.

  684. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    The Sox will beat up on the Angels pitching. That is a lineup that grinds you out and beats good pitching. Kinda like ours used to be.

  685. Fredo Corleone August 21st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    “Luckily, in a best of 5, 3 of the 5 are not in Fenway. In a best of 7, 4 out of 7 are not in Fenway.”

    Has that made a difference?

  686. Frank August 21st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Has anyone else noticed how bad the crowd is in Toronto?

    Leave the chants to the Red Sox and Mets. I see a lot of kids at the game but the crowd hasn’t let up at all. It’s just a game.
    For a team that hasn’t sniffed 1st place in two decades, they sure want to give it to the Yanks for some reason. Pretty sad.

  687. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    why can’t we find young players like daniel murphy or nick evans?

    That would be Colin Curtis and Juan Miranda. It’s not that we don’t have them it’s who will they play over, the fans get very chippy about allstars being sat for minor leaguers.

  688. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    Dice-K is 15-2 this season. That’s what I call dominant. Who cares if he walks the bases loaded if they never score?

  689. Yankee Trader August 21st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    White Sox vs Cubs with Cubs winning it all as Soriano gets MVP of World Series, and Ted Lilly pitches a shutout.

  690. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    What’s Dice K’s record and ERA?

    How is that not dominant?

  691. Nick in SF August 21st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Moose vs. (?) Radhames Liz (R) (?).

    That’s a must-win to the max.

  692. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Oh and he has a 2.76 ERA too.

  693. dan 771 August 21st, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    watching the mets game… the entire mets dugout has their
    “rally” hats on inside out and are on the top step.

    we don’t have chemistry like them or the rays.

    too many stars and so much uptightness. not girardi’s fault because we didn’t do that under torre either.

    we just need a new set of players. need to change the culture.

  694. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    The Sox will beat up on the Angels pitching. That is a lineup that grinds you out and beats good pitching. Kinda like ours used to be.

    The Sox just like everybody in the majors will be whipped by the Halos

  695. Stephen M August 21st, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    How can a 14-3 game take less than three hours?

  696. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    Thankfully that disaster is over.

  697. ARX August 21st, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    When the Yanks finish their AB’s like theyre in a hurry and got a plane to catch? We got mowed down

  698. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    The talk will most likely be about our pitching but again the defense in CF reared it’s ugly head plaenty of times tonight and the hitting vs power pitchers just sucks, it’s that simple.

  699. Fredo Corleone August 21st, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    “What’s Dice K’s record and ERA?

    How is that not dominant?”

    When your work requires 9-11 outs from the bullpen everytime out, you don’t get to be called dominant.

  700. russ August 21st, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    how do they fix this mess of a team.the free agent market in 2009 is not good other than tex and cc.8-10 yrs of tex.arod is better than tex and i don’t wan’t him for 9 more years..cc for 6-7.he wont hold up.mussina was the only good long term contract for pitcher to date.no ‘good’ free agents on maket.just a few superstars.

  701. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    When your work requires 9-11 outs from the bullpen everytime out, you don’t get to be called dominant.

    Your right that’s Jaret Wright

  702. j August 21st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    well heres the good news. a min win today and they are in first place for wc!

  703. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Would you rather have:

    A 15-2 record with less innings with a 2.76 ERA,
    or a 12-6 record with more innings with a 3.76 ERA?

    I’d take Dice-K any time.

  704. RayBlay August 21st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    What is the Yankees’ record in last games of road series? both?

  705. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Dice K is the Sox #3 starter. He is 15-2 and with a sub 3 ERA. That’s fairly dominant work. And when you have Papelbon closing games and that grinding lineup who cares who pitches the 8th?

    The Angels are a great reg season team but that is not a championship club. That lineup is a joke.

  706. Forntoso August 21st, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Fredo- How is Dice-K different than Joba in that regard then?

  707. Trevor August 21st, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    “why can’t we find young players like daniel murphy and nick evans?”

    It’s not as if those guys are big prospects. They’re B level prospects that are surprising everyone early in their big league career. Let’s see what they do once everyone knows the scouting report on them.

  708. ARX August 21st, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    What choice do we have? Giambi is done and we have no alternative…Even with Wang/Joba back next yr we dont have enough arms to go to war with, sad as itll be to be stuck with those contracts in the latter years we basically are obligated to go after Tex and CC

  709. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    “When your work requires 9-11 outs from the bullpen everytime out, you don’t get to be called dominant.

    Your right that’s Jaret Wright”

    When did Jaret Wright ever win 15 games and have an ERA under 3?

    I know you are anti Sox at all costs but have some reality enter those rose colored glasses.

  710. Dan August 21st, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    http://theblogofchampions.com/.....s-red-sox/

  711. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    I’d take Dice-K any time.

    No you wouldn’t his defense bails him out most the time, the Yankees D is nowhere near Boston’s, nowhere.

  712. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    jane2
    August 21st, 2008 at 9:53 pm
    Ter 1

    Yeah, I remember Boggs pitching. That was great.

    Do we have any position players who could do that (credibly) now?

    Depends on what you mean.

    Everybody on the team can throw a high 70s to high 80s fastball (with a few exceptions and you know who they are).

    The problems?

    1) They’d have no control

    2) You wouldn’t think that a little pitching would lead to injury, but trying to pitch with authority puts alot of strain on certain parts of your body (not just the arm) especially if you’re not used to it.

    That’s probably why they let Boggs pitch. The knuckleball meant he faced minimal risk of injury. And he didn’t NEED control because it’s an “effectively wild” type of pitch.

    No position player on the team right now throws a knuckleball the way Boggs did. And I can’t see Girardi making A-rod do mop-up work when anybody in Scranton is a better pitcher than A-rod regardless of velocity.

  713. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Ok, I’d take his numbers any time then.

  714. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    On the bright side of finishing in 4th place is that we get to retool and dismantle the team. Like the Sox did after ’06. You know. Actually spend some money and sign free agents who can actually help the team like Dice K and Drew.

    It wouldn’t kill us to sign a good free agent or three. Having a good, deep bench isn’t something that should be feared.

  715. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    There is no way to argue that the Yankees have looked or played like a good team, by and large. But when you think about it there have been a lot of games that the Yankees should have or could have won and did not. The series with the Angles could have gone either way in terms of the 3-1 split. (Remember how we lost one game by one run and it was a run, I believe, given up by Mo?) We had a hard luck story here two nights ago also, so we could have walked away taken this series also. Those games add up.

    So while we haven’t certainly had a typical Yankee season, we had the chance to sport a much better record than the one we have now.

    The good thing about a game like tonight’s is that it only counts as one L. Whether we lost by 20 or lost by 1, it’s still only one loss.

    Just sayin’…

  716. Fredo Corleone August 21st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    “Your right that’s Jaret Wright”

    It’s more like Mussina. Doesn’t pitch a lot of innings. Doesn’t give up much.

    Wright didn’t pitch a lot of innings and gave up a ton

  717. Meaningless Stats August 21st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Ray Blay,

    In series of atleast 3 games,

    We are 7-11 in the last game of series.

    W – KC, BAL, CLE, BAL, OAK, HOU, TEX
    L – BOS, CWS, TB, MIN, PIT, NYM, TOR, BOS, LAA, MIN, TOR

  718. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    It’s not as if those guys are big prospects. They’re B level prospects that are surprising everyone early in their big league career. Let’s see what they do once everyone knows the scouting report on them.

    Evans is exceeding expectations, Murphy has always had the eye, that’s how I see Miranda and Curtis if they were given a chance. Murphy was always around .379 w/ his OBP % he was known for seeing pitches and hitting mistakes, Miranda does nearly the same. Sad we won’t see any of them until the team is eliminated in September.

  719. ellen August 21st, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    I’m not sure what was more brutal tonight, the game or the blog.

  720. Thurman August 21st, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Here’s the scoop (buried deep in this thread) — Ponson is taking his teammates to Mr. Bills Terrace Inn for crabs on Saturday night. Who’s going to join me there?

  721. Fredo Corleone August 21st, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    “But when you think about it there have been a lot of games that the Yankees should have or could have won and did not.”

    Trish, those are the games that separate the good teams from the not so good teams. Good teams win ‘em.

  722. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    And after a little research, Dice-K has pitched 7+ innings six times. While that is not great, Joba has only pitched 7 innings once.

    When so many call Joba “one of the most dominant pitchers in the game,” then why not Dice-K?

  723. MLL August 21st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    I wonder when trisha says things are bad. On Oct 1 when they are all playing golf?

    I respect the optimism but come on already. This is a bad team here playing uninspired ball with a bad starting staff.

  724. RayBlay August 21st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Thanks, Meaningless Stats. I just sat here and counted. Yankees’ record in final games of series at home: 17-5. On the road: 8-12. Total: 25-17.

  725. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    You know. Actually spend some money and sign free agents who can actually help the team like Dice K and Drew.

    That’s what’s been killing this franchise year after year. The first good player they recieved via FA or trade right now is Xavier Nady but he came in expense of losing Jose Tabata.

  726. Drive 4-5 August 21st, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    Any combination of 28 losses or Red Sox wins and the Yanks’ season is over. There’s no trivializing a loss now. This loss is another nail in the coffin.

  727. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    Miranda cannot hit lefty’s at all. Curtis is over matched at Trenton. He’s a fringe guy at best.

    These are the same people who said Kennedy was a front line starter, Melky was a good OF, and Gardner was a CF.

    Please people.

    The Mets are winning with nobodies. We have an owner who cries at injuries. They are starting Tatis in RF!!

  728. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    And after a little research, Dice-K has pitched 7+ innings six times. While that is not great, Joba has only pitched 7 innings once.

    When so many call Joba “one of the most dominant pitchers in the game,” then why not Dice-K?

    You relieve this is Joba’s first season as a ML starter ? you don’t see a difference really ?

  729. Fredo Corleone August 21st, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    “And after a little research, Dice-K has pitched 7+ innings six times. While that is not great, Joba has only pitched 7 innings once.”

    Do a little more research. Matsuzaka has made 22 starts (in which he’s averaged 5.75 innings) while Chamberlain has made 12, many of which were under a strict pitch count.

  730. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Watch Tabata turn into Manny Ramirez.

    The way Cashman evaluates his own makes me cringe right now. If you can’t properly evaluate your own prospects you are in the wrong biz.

  731. steve August 21st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    brandon, we don’t give young players chances.

    even now, we will continue to trot out that slug giambi or the defensively challenged damon instead of gardner/miranda.

    we will probably trade them away in a package and watch them blossom.

  732. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Jersey you do know Stick was in that conference room too in Tampa during the trade deadline right ?

  733. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    “Watch Tabata turn into Manny Ramirez.

    The way Cashman evaluates his own makes me cringe right now. If you can’t properly evaluate your own prospects you are in the wrong biz.”

    :yawn:

    When Tabata was in the Yankees’ system, he was a failed prospect. When he’s traded, he’s the next Manny Ramirez.

    Idiot.

  734. Frank August 21st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Miranda is a non-prospect.

  735. Wait. Worry. Who Cares. August 21st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Wow…! Did you just see that perfect dive by the Chinese diver in her final dive to win the gold? I don’t know anything about diving but wow! nevertheless. What were you doing at age 15, Pete?

  736. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. August 21st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    “I wonder when trisha says things are bad.”

    Probably not until a day comes when there is no tomorrow.

    I’m not saying things are good, just trying to find any possible positive.

    Fredo, I know you are right. But it is really tough to call Mo out because you know how great he is. But he killed us several times anyway in those tie games.

    I’m just going to keep hoping.

  737. jane2 August 21st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Terry 1: Thanks. Yeah, hadn’t heard re a converted pitcher or some such thing as a position player.

    ellen: the blog, definitely. (game was over early.)

  738. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Joba is dominant but hes hurt and is on pitch counts every time out. And an innings limit. You can’t have your ace be pitching 6 every time out. As dominant as he is he’s a rookie starter.

    Dice K is dominant. His wins and ERA speak for themselves and he gives length each time. It is about victories isn’t? This isn’t some fraud getting cheap W’s like Ponson.

    Dice K is a horse. A big game pitcher.

  739. Trevor August 21st, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    “These are the same people who said Kennedy was a front line starter, Melky was a good OF, and Gardner was a CF.”

    Umm no one ever said Kennedy was a front line starter. He was always seen as a future 4th or a 5th starter. And the latter 2 are actually true.

  740. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    I realize all of those facts. However, many choose to ignore that this is Joba’s first season as a starter. His small sample works for and against him. He will either prove himself over time (including that he can pitch seasons w/o injury) or become an average pitcher.

  741. Alfred E. Kennedy August 21st, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    Cashman is terrible at evaluating prospects. You don’t sell a talent like Tabata that low.

  742. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    “brandon, we don’t give young players chances.”

    Melky, Duncan, Hughes, Kennedy, Robertson, Ohlendorf, Joba, Cano, Wang, Karstens, Rasner, etc

    No chances here?

  743. Nick in SF August 21st, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Drive 4-5, as much as it irks me, Michael Kay made a good point: this was going to be a tough game (Ponsanity vs. Halladay) from the get-go. Losing Rasner’s good start was the real killer.

  744. KING FELIX August 21st, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    if we scored this many runs for rasner, we win.

  745. pat August 21st, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    “Any combination of 28 losses or Red Sox wins and the Yanks’ season is over. There’s no trivializing a loss now. This loss is another nail in the coffin.”

    Only if you believe Boston is guaranteed the WC. A Minnesota win tonight and Boston is looking up at them.

  746. Frank August 21st, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    Are people comparing Dice-K to Joba!?!?! Maybe Joba hasn’t gone over 7 innings more than Dice-K because HE’S ONLY STARTED A FRACTION OF THE GAMES. I feel like I’m on crazy pills.

    Joba is not as good as Dice-K right now.

    Joba is 22 years old and started throwing as a starter midway through college. He has the potential to be better than Dice-K and probably will be if he stays healthy.

  747. wang is not an ace August 21st, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    Anyone watching the Olympics?

    David Neville dived to barely get the bronze, and got himself hurt, proving two things:

    1. Diving is indeed faster than running through, he would’ve been 4th otherwise.
    2. In regards to the CONTINUOUS irrational idiocy where people argue “bla bla WELL if diving/sliding is faster, why don’t Olympic runners do it bla bla!?” and requiring those of us with intelligence to respond diving/sliding on synthesized rubber at 20 mph full blast is a good way to get yourself hurt. There you see why, Neville couldn’t even get up to celebrate his bronze.

    So next time Melky dives, the physics-challenged folks please shut the hell up

    TIA

  748. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    “Umm no one ever said Kennedy was a front line starter. He was always seen as a future 4th or a 5th starter. And the latter 2 are actually true.”

    So a guy the Yankees think is a future back end starter was off limits in trades?

    How does that work exactly?

    And keep in mind the system is flush with right hand pitching prospects. An overflow of it.

  749. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    What I realize is the Mets FO promotes players at the right time, they promote them as they get into hitting streaks or hit around .300-.380 w/ high OBP % in thier last 10 games or 1 month of sample. Either way that’s what the yankees don’t do.

    They’ll continue w/ the vets until it’s over then the kids get spot games. Next season FA will ruin this team even more espeacially when it comes to position players, the only legit guys are Bradley and Tex and god I hope it’s not Tex. He has NY bust written all over him.

  750. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    “Joba is dominant but hes hurt and is on pitch counts every time out. And an innings limit. You can’t have your ace be pitching 6 every time out. As dominant as he is he’s a rookie starter.

    Dice K is dominant. His wins and ERA speak for themselves and he gives length each time. It is about victories isn’t? This isn’t some fraud getting cheap W’s like Ponson.

    Dice K is a horse. A big game pitcher.”

    Wow, let your Red Sox homerism come out a little more, please.

    Dice-K is dominant…. if you don’t actually watch his starts.

    He’s on my fantasy team (great for ERA/Ws/Ks, horrid for WHIP). He plays with fire. Every. Single. Start. His HR/FO ratio is amazingly low this year. He can maintain that as long as he doesn’t get tired. If he fatigues like he did down the stretch last season, uh oh.

    Compare Dice-K to Santana. As much as I like to mock Santana’s HRs, they’re usually of the one run variety.

    Walk the bases loaded, and an HR is 4 runs. That’s bad.

  751. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    “Only if you believe Boston is guaranteed the WC. A Minnesota win tonight and Boston is looking up at them.”

    Minnesota won’t beat out Boston. Come on. Get real already.

  752. stuart August 21st, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Our offense really kicked ass this series.. 9 runs in 3 games, 2 more games of 3 runs or less, the # on the year is a lot for 3 runs or less….

    A rod and Giambi had especially good series, arod did score a run and Giambi did accidently realize there is a left side of the infield..

    Overall I think our offense is astounding maybe we can bring back giambi and abreu, after all our astute fan base loves older players who use to be good.. ABreu and Giambi fit right in as use to be good.. I Rod fits that category also maybe we can give him a 3 yr. deal for a lot of money????/

    Dice K’s # are very misleading he is a true 5 inning pitcher, that is OK for 37 year olds……

    Looks like some more poor is me yankee blogging from my stupid brethren..

    Arod he is really the best player in the game because I could not tell, he almost looks scared and confused.. In most sports does the best player in the sport look scared, I do not remember Michael Jordan being like that, but hey if the astute fan base says Arod is the best it must be true.. After all he has all the rings to prove it!!!! my bad, he must have at least 1 ring doesn’t he??

    Oh my bad he has been on bad teams that do not surround him with talent, that’s right that is this years excuse…

  753. ellen August 21st, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Trisha: I think that’s exactly the right word, hope. Hope does not require a reason or a basis or anything. That’s what is so great about it. And you haven’t given up hope, and frankly no one should demand that you do.

    But it would seem that hope goes beyond optimism. Optimism might require something to anchor itself to; like I’m optimistic about tomorrow being a good day at work because my boss is on vacation and it’s Friday (not that it couldn’t be armegeddon anyway, but I’m optimistic).

    I think, at this point, real positive thinking with respect to this team is more hope than optimism.

  754. Frank August 21st, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    The people who are comparing Joba to Dice-K need to get off this blog and start studying baseball on Wikipedia.

  755. Yankee Trader August 21st, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    “How do we fix this mess of a team?”

    You sign Rafael Furcal to play 2nd.
    Trade Cano Damon, Betemit and Robertson for Garrett Atkins to play 1st and Ryan Spillborgs to play CF.
    You trade Cox, and Laird for David DeJesus.
    Sign Sabathia and Ryan Dempster as FAs, and if you can’t get CC you look at AJ Burnett.

    Lineup in no particular order:
    Furcal 2B
    Jeter SS
    Atkins 1B
    A-Rod 3B
    DeJesus LF
    Spillborghs CF
    Nady RF
    Posada C
    Matsui DH

    Bench:
    Gardner
    Molina
    2 others

    Starters:
    Sabathia
    Wang
    Mussina
    Dempster
    Joba

    Oh, I just woke up from a dream, and realized the Yankees have little talent based on this years horrible showing, to trade.

  756. Fredo Corleone August 21st, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    “A Minnesota win tonight and Boston is looking up at them.”

    They’d be looking laterally at them. Both would be 73-54

  757. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    “So a guy the Yankees think is a future back end starter was off limits in trades?

    How does that work exactly?

    And keep in mind the system is flush with right hand pitching prospects. An overflow of it.”

    He was off limits because teams were probably lowballing.

    Yeah, the Yankees could have gotten the equivalent, of, say, Angel Berroa for Kennedy. But do you really want that?

  758. Doreen August 21st, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    Kennedy was not off-limits in the Santana trade. If the Twins had accepted the deal that included Kennedy (whichever one that was), Kennedy would be on the Twins. But they weren’t going to give him away, either.

  759. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Melky, Duncan, Hughes, Kennedy, Robertson, Ohlendorf, Joba, Cano, Wang, Karstens, Rasner, etc

    No chances here?

    Position prospects. And Cano was the only legit one on that list. Melky was not suppose to be a next anything.

  760. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Wow, Yankee Trader, can I get some of the stuff you’re smoking?

  761. Zooboy August 21st, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    “Losing Rasner’s good start was the real killer.” That’s exactly right – we got beat tonite. In game one our CF drops fly balls and we beat ourselves. Good teams sometimes get beat, but they don’t find as many ways to lose at the 2008 Yanks do.

  762. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Some more research…Joba’s pitch count in his last 10 games is 90+ in every game (usually around 6 innings). Very similar to Dice-K.

  763. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    “Wow, let your Red Sox homerism come out a little more, please.”

    Been called many things by many weirdos but never a Sox fan. LOL. That’s new. I guess telling it like it is means I turn in my Yankee fan card.

    Dice-K took a month off to rest already this season with the same thing Joba has now. He’ll be fine in regards to rest.

  764. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    ““Only if you believe Boston is guaranteed the WC. A Minnesota win tonight and Boston is looking up at them.”

    Minnesota won’t beat out Boston. Come on. Get real already.”

    Says the Sawx fan.

  765. george August 21st, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    trisha’s right to hope. that’s what it’s all about. you think the Rockies were just waiting for hunting and fishing season last year?

    whatever you want to think about A-Rod, him going for 2nd the other night shows that he plays with hope. why bother risk getting reamed if the game were meaningless?

  766. Nick in SF August 21st, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    “There is hope and after that there is only faith”

    –Elvis Costello

  767. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still offensive. August 21st, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Kennedy alone was not off limits.

  768. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    “Some more research…Joba’s pitch count in his last 10 games is 90+ in every game (usually around 6 innings). Very similar to Dice-K.”

    In the “One of these things is not like the other”, one is just getting started, and the other has been pitching professionally, for, oh, how long, exactly?

    Joba has time to learn to be efficient. Dice-K will never be efficient.

  769. Yankee Trader August 21st, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Pineapple Express-Someone Else- and it came to me in a dream!!

  770. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Position prospects. And Cano was the only legit one on that list. Melky was not suppose to be a next anything.

    That’s because they aren’t any good. You think if they had any 1b Giambi would be out in the field?

    You think if they had any bats they would have had to sign Sexson?

    Melky playing 100+ games with maybe 15 extra base hits?

    Come on. They are begging the young guys to take jobs. They all failed.

  771. Drive 4-5 August 21st, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Nick in SF,

    Youre both right about this being a tough one to win going in. But the Yanks have no more wiggle room. They have to win the tough games the rest of the way. That’s what happens when you get your hat handed to you by the KC Royals of the world.

    pat,

    It doesnt matter if it’s the Twins or Sux in 1st for the WC after tonight. Both have 54 losses and the Yanks have 60. It’s 28 games aginst by the Sux or Twins.

  772. LLIME August 21st, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    For those mentioning Stick, remember, he went on ESPN 1050 (Kellerman) in the winter and advocated the Hughes-Santana trade. He reiterated that on Mike and the Mad Dog a couple of months ago.

    Stick knows what he is doing. Cashman should have listened to him. He needs to have a prominent say in this off-season. He is able to identify Yankee Stadium players.

  773. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Someone Else is a troll.

  774. RSM August 21st, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Not that it matters much at this point, but I agree with swapping Matsui and Giambi.

  775. pat August 21st, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    “Minnesota won’t beat out Boston. Come on. Get real already.”

    In March you would have said the Rays won’t beat out Boston. Come on. Get real already.

    How’s that working out?

  776. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    What’s this talk about Dice K about ? My god is there any more overated SP 15 game winner then him. He reminds of Traschel when you look up WTF he has 15 wins ? Yu Darvish is going to be better than him. Joba if he stays healthy will do laps around him, the best SP in the AL is Roy Halliday. Heck Jon Lester is better than Dice K.

  777. Terry #1 August 21st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Jersey
    August 21st, 2008 at 10:06 pm
    What’s Dice K’s record and ERA?

    How is that not dominant?

    I’m not interested in teaching engineering principles to a bean-counter.

    A bean-counter repeats statistics.

    An engineer understands the RELATIONSHIP between statistics and real-world performance.

    Everybody knows that to rely solely on a pitcher’s ERA over … not EVEN a full season’s work to extrapolate future performance is bogus. As for Wins/loss record, please. I like Ponson and so does Trisha, but he’s not THAT good.

    I want to know HOW Matsuzaka compiled that record so I can anticipate his future probables. A coin with two sides will always have a 50/50 probablity of heads and tails. It might come up 10 heads in a row or 20 tails in a row, but over the long run, it’ll regress to the mean.

    Look at DATA, not bullet-point press release hype. You can start by learning what BABIP actually means and how they calculate it (you’ve shown no indication of understanding). ESPN insider scounting reports and report cards are also a good place to start.

    These tools give you data on how to ascertain a player’s habits, tendencies and ,ultimately, their INHERENT probablities regardless of result, much like ascertaining that a coin’s INHERENT probablity is 50/50 no matter what the last 10 throws came up with.

    But to short-circuit the BS, would Francona make Dice-BB his #1 or #2?

    He would have to be a !FOOL! to do it when it MATTERED!

  778. Fredo Corleone August 21st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    “Minnesota won’t beat out Boston. Come on. Get real already.”

    Wouldn’t rule it out entirely, but Twins got jammed hard by the Republican National Convention. Because of that, tonite is the beginning of a 14 game road trip and a stretch of 24 of 30 on the road.

  779. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Stick Michael knows that you don’t get aces in their primes everyday of the week.

    We had the chance and it slipped thru the fingers.

    I know you will all say “Hughes will be better” but really? Do you really believe that?

    And why? From reading some magazines? From 6 innings last May against a bad Texas lineup? From 4 innings vs Cle in Oct?

    When you have shots to get guys like Santana you have to take them. Posada knew it when he said it last year.

  780. pat August 21st, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Not debating the elimination number. Just pointing out Boston isn’t guaanteed anything.

  781. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    “For those mentioning Stick, remember, he went on ESPN 1050 (Kellerman) in the winter and advocated the Hughes-Santana trade. He reiterated that on Mike and the Mad Dog a couple of months ago.

    Stick knows what he is doing. Cashman should have listened to him. He needs to have a prominent say in this off-season. He is able to identify Yankee Stadium players.”

    :yawn:

    And the Red Sox turned down a Buchholz for Santana, and an Ellsbury for Santana, etc.

    How’s that doing for them?

    You can’t evaluate the (non)-trade for another 5 years.

  782. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    (Hopefully) my last comment on Dice-K and Joba. Comparing the two is crazy, I know. They are totally opposite types of pitchers. The only thing they have in common are lots of pitches in few innings. This whole conversation began by comparing “domninance.”

    Joba is a power pitcher who doesn’t let a lot of guys get on base. He is young and learning. He is also injury-prone.

    Dice-K definitely “plays with fire.” He has about 7 different pitches. Also walks a ton of guys. However, he makes the pitches that count. Hitters are 0-17 with bases loaded this year. Dice-K is also a horse, I read somewhere that, in Japan, he once threw 200+ in a single game.

  783. Frank August 21st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    - Jersey

    You are absolutely right. The Yankees have no real position prospects other than A-Jax and Montero.

    They have some in SI and CGL right now that may develop. But they are light years away.

    And people who think Austin Jackson will be in New York next year, think again. Look at his K rate in AA. He’s a two-sport athlete and as such has predictably taken a while to adjust to pro baseball. That’s why scouts are so high on him. Because he’s ahead of the curve as it is being new to baseball, but he’s still years away… 2010 in a perfect world.

  784. Zooboy August 21st, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Stick Michael built a dynasty. What has Cash built? It’s no comparison.

  785. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Santana’s in his ‘prime’, that’s why his velocity is dropping, HRs are rising, and his slider control is disappearing.

    Yeah, his numbers still look great. Call me in 5 years.

  786. Drive 4-5 August 21st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Minnesota has over 20 games left on the road, but a lot of them are against teams they should beat. If the Twins come out of this 9 game West Coast swing against the Angels, Mariners and A’s 6 -3 , I’m predicting they will win the Wild Card.

    It is mandatory for Boston’s starters to pitch 7 innings. As bad as Boston’s bullpen is, if the starter come out in the 5th or 6th their opponent is in fine position to win the game.

    If Beckett is injured, the only pitcher they can count on going 7 innings is the fabulous John Lester. You have to give that kid credit.

  787. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Hilarious.

    Dice K has a 2.77 ERA in the AL East and that’s not good?

    109 K’s in 126 innings and thats not quality?

    Overrated with 15 wins and only 2 losses??

    God knows how many the bullpen blew for him and he missed a month with a shoulder tendinitis.

    But I guess we should be happy with Igawa who’s DOMINANT in AAA.

  788. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    “Stick Michael built a dynasty. What has Cash built? It’s no comparison.”

    It’s hard to build a dynasty when 0 attention is paid to the draft.

  789. Redding August 21st, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    CC has much more potential to be a NY bust than Sabathia, and I want Sabathia.

    CC’s people have made so many leaks that he is not a NY guy and wants to go to the West Coast. Rosenthal even had an article with anonymous quote from teammates saying he told them he would not play east of Cleveland next year. You would think this guy, even if he doesn’t want to come to NY, would use us to drive up the price. Every article mentioning CC in relation to us talks about how he isn’t a NY guy but “money talks”. Doesn’t sound enthusiastic at all.

    Teixeria on the other hand has gone out of his way to mention how much he loves NY. A couple of months ago, there was an article saying he loves big cities and his sister and her husband live in NJ and work in NYC so he visits this area a lot. Then 2 weeks ago, he listed NY along with Anahiem and Seattle as his favorite cities (and this was after he was traded to ANA). He has said in the past his idol is Mattingly as well. He turned down 8/140 from Texas citing he wants to win. He is very good friends with Arod and Jeter too from their time in the WBC.

    Now, all this may be a smoke screen to drive the price up, but atleast Teixeria is doing that. CC doesn’t even seem interested in spreading anonymous quotes linking himself to NY. If both come here, it will be for the money but Tex atleast would prefer it a hell of a lot more, it seems like.

  790. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    For those mentioning Stick, remember, he went on ESPN 1050 (Kellerman) in the winter and advocated the Hughes-Santana trade. He reiterated that on Mike and the Mad Dog a couple of months ago.

    He reiterated that he wasn’t in favor of dealing for Santana, off radio cast people started spreading rumors how Ctick wanted to make the deal, Stick told Kellerman and Kenny that he liked holding on to the kids and that the deals rumored weren’t as easy as it seemed, He also stated “I really like that we didn’t trade Hughes, that kid here or somewhere else has the chance to be someone special” Kellerman said “So are you say you wouldn’t have dealt Hughes Stick ?” Stick responded “I’m glad Philip Hughes is still part of this organization”

    Stick knows what he is doing. Cashman should have listened to him. He needs to have a prominent say in this off-season. He is able to identify Yankee Stadium players.

    Cashman did listen a big voice to get Nady/Marte was Stick being that he was in Tampa for the plans to strike the future deal. They came up w/ a list on who’s moveable and who isn’t.

  791. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    “Hilarious.

    Dice K has a 2.77 ERA in the AL East and that’s not good?

    109 K’s in 126 innings and thats not quality?

    Overrated with 15 wins and only 2 losses??

    God knows how many the bullpen blew for him and he missed a month with a shoulder tendinitis.

    But I guess we should be happy with Igawa who’s DOMINANT in AAA.”

    Reread Terry #1′s 10:44 pm post, moron.

  792. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    “Santana’s in his ‘prime’, that’s why his velocity is dropping, HRs are rising, and his slider control is disappearing.

    Yeah, his numbers still look great. Call me in 5 years.”

    And in those 5 years of greatness we could have 3 titles pairing him up with Joba, Wang, Pettitte and Moose followed by whatever young kids break in and force their way in thru MERIT.

    But we should feel the pains of 4th place because his fastball is down to 94 from 98 and he gives up solo home runs yet his ERA is under 3.

    His stuff looks real bad btw the last 10 starts for the Mets.

  793. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    “And in those 5 years of greatness we could have 3 titles pairing him up with Joba, Wang, Pettitte and Moose followed by whatever young kids break in and force their way in thru MERIT.

    But we should feel the pains of 4th place because his fastball is down to 94 from 98 and he gives up solo home runs yet his ERA is under 3.

    His stuff looks real bad btw the last 10 starts for the Mets.”

    :yawn:

    You really are a character, aren’t you?

  794. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Let’s guess what the idiots like Someone else want to do in Nov.

    Throw 25 mill a yr at Sabathia for 7 yrs. How is his stuff going to be in 5 years after throwing 250+ innings the past 3 years?

    How’s that one going to be?

    Face it. We blew this season and the next 3 by not getting the ace when it was offered to us.

  795. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    cont…..Infact Stick went as far as to cite Santana’s velocity drop and compared him to Pedro Martinez’s about a month ago on ESPN radio. He continued to state how he thinks in the All Star game Pedro burnt his arm out.

  796. Alfred E. Kennedy August 21st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    I value Stick’s opinion way more than I do Cashman’s.

    Santana will not decline that badly, it is wishful thinking by the Hughes lovers. Even when he does, he will learn how to pitch without his best stuff.

    Hughes can’t even stay on the baseball field and his velocity is the same as a “declining” Santana.

  797. V August 21st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Dont forget Rasner. He’s a solid 2 or 3 starter.

  798. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    “It’s hard to build a dynasty when 0 attention is paid to the draft.”

    And how is that NOT THE GM’S FAULT??? Moron.

  799. chris August 21st, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Dice K is no doubt the best Major League pitcher in the last TWO decades. The numbers speak for themselves. He’ll dominate for another TEN years.

  800. Trevor August 21st, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    There aren’t a lot of position prospects but for what the club needs at the ML level, the lack of position prospects isn’t a big deal imo. Is it a big deal that they don’t have a 3B,SS,2B,C,RF position prospects? Those positions are already filled with the Yankees. The best argument is no first base prospect or RF/LF, but they had Tabata. then turned him into Nady. So there’s your RF next year.
    For what the need is with the Yankees I don’t think it’s that big of a deal that they lack position prospects.

  801. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    “Let’s guess what the idiots like Someone else want to do in Nov.

    Throw 25 mill a yr at Sabathia for 7 yrs. How is his stuff going to be in 5 years after throwing 250+ innings the past 3 years?

    How’s that one going to be?

    Face it. We blew this season and the next 3 by not getting the ace when it was offered to us.”

    What, were you planning on DHing Santana?

    Because, last time I heard, this offense is sucking. Bad. Like, Santana wouldn’t win 8 games with this offense bad.

  802. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Santana’s drop from 98 to 94 really seems to be killing him this year.

    So when Hughes is 28 will he drop from 93 to 89?

  803. stuart August 21st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Hey let’s discuss the santana no trade for the 8 millionth time!!!!!

    Let’s do it, let’s talk about the pieces to the trade who none of us know which players were part of and let’s just talk about crap we have no idea… After all Santana only has 6 yrs and about $112 mill. on his contract so how can it not be a great deal???

    I think it is on par with the AJ Pierzynski trade or the Babe Ruth trade or frank robinson, they will be writing many books about this trade.. Where could Santana hit in the lineup? What’s his BA against lefties? The Yanks need his bat in the lineup against lefties…

    Another interesting comments is the poster who cannot understand out of like 8 Yankee prospects why only maybe 1 will be an All star!!!Like all stars grow on trees and all organizations have like 3 to 5 of them in the system at all time.. You didn’t know Derek Jeters grow on trees.. Look at that model franchise of greatness the sux, they can fill in the SS position any time they want they were just playing around with; renteria, cabrera, lugo, cora, lowrie and numerous other guys over the last few years. People literally think you should have future all stars at every position in the minors!!!!!!

  804. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    ““It’s hard to build a dynasty when 0 attention is paid to the draft.”

    And how is that NOT THE GM’S FAULT??? Moron.”

    Um, if you’ve been paying attention, Cashman had zero control over the draft until 3 years ago. He almost walked away until he got said control from the ‘Tampa mafia’.

  805. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Santana’s drop from 98 to 94 really seems to be killing him this year.

    It’s dropped to 91

  806. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    “Santana’s drop from 98 to 94 really seems to be killing him this year.

    So when Hughes is 28 will he drop from 93 to 89?”

    Peak velocity average velocity.

    Santana’s averaging low 90s. That ain’t good.

    He’s a damn good pitcher, and a very smart pitcher. But the trending is not good.

  807. Drive 4-5 August 21st, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Jersey,

    NESN, the Red Sox cable outlet, last night asked their panel of “experts” just how hard is it to watch DiceK pitch?

    Even the Red Sox biased talking heads and die hard Red Sox fans will tell you that they have no confidence in Dice K. All of them are waiting for his luck to run out. He’s averaging nearly 1 and a half runners per inning, despite only a .213 batting average against him.

    It doesnt matter what his stats are. Dice K makes evert Red Sox fan I know ( and I live in New England and know a lot of them), very nervous.

  808. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Please, can we not talk about Santana. It is over and done with. Nothing we say will ever change the trade. And our pitching has been a strength of the team, blame the offense for the season.

  809. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    So, Jersey, how bout them Sawx? That Ellsbury for Santana deal is looking great now, huh? Buchholz?

  810. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    “Because, last time I heard, this offense is sucking. Bad. Like, Santana wouldn’t win 8 games with this offense bad.”

    He’s winning with a Met offense that starts Tatis in RF, no name rooks in LF, and has no one having a career year.

    Not to mention his bullpen has blown 8 games. Which I don’t think would happen here.

    Also having a stud ace energizes the whole team. They know they have a great shot to win that night. For example consult the Yankees of 2008 when Joba was starting games.

  811. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Oh, I’m sorry, Buchholz = future ace, Hughes = bust. Cashman = idiot, Epstein = genius.

  812. KING FELIX August 21st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    stick was in favor of it, but it doesn’t matter because hal nixed it anyway because he was cheap.

    if sabathia decides he doesn’t want to come to the east coast and takes significantly less to go to the dodgers and we are stuck with some question mark like oliver perez or brunett, hank and hal are going to look like incompetent buffoons that rival james dolan.

  813. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Who said it’s easy on the eyes to watch Dice K pitch? Isn’t winning what matters? Winning is easy on the eyes, right? How was the eyes with Rasner the other night and Ponson tonight? How will those eyes be on Sat?

  814. Frank August 21st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Why are people comparing a 20 year old kid to the best pitcher of this decade?

    The Yankees realized that paying for pitching is bad business. The market is too expensive (years & dollars) and pitchers can deteriorate too quickly. It’s too risky, even for a pitcher of Santana’s quality.

    They made a good decision for the long term of the team.

    If you want a dominant pitcher, do what Boston did. TRADE for a YOUNG pitcher (cost controlled) with the ability to be dominant. They did and… Beckett is.

    Or just draft your own like the Yankees are doing now, and just about every other team has been doing.

  815. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    “He’s winning with a Met offense that starts Tatis in RF, no name rooks in LF, and has no one having a career year.

    Not to mention his bullpen has blown 8 games. Which I don’t think would happen here.

    Also having a stud ace energizes the whole team. They know they have a great shot to win that night. For example consult the Yankees of 2008 when Joba was starting games.”

    And with our luck, a line drive would have shattered his elbow, and his career would be over.

    The Yankees have their #1 and #2 pitchers on the DL, along with the best hitting catcher in baseball. I can’t think of any major league teams that are making the playoffs that have dealt with that.

  816. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    You don’t think the Sox regret not trading Clay B for Santana???

    They’d own the East for 5 years with that pitching staff. Huge mistake by them. As much as us.

  817. Someone Else August 21st, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    “If you want a dominant pitcher, do what Boston did. TRADE for a YOUNG pitcher (cost controlled) with the ability to be dominant. They did and… Beckett is.”

    And yet, Hanley Ramirez is MUCH more valuable than Beckett :-).

  818. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Hal has to take some Cashman blame for this. What’s the sense of over spending on your own vets if you won’t get them the help?

    I don’t know of any team that won titles with three rookies pitching major innings.

  819. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    “And yet, Hanley Ramirez is MUCH more valuable than Beckett :-).”

    That quote is why that poster should be ignored at all costs.

    I guess he forgot to watch the playoffs in ’03 and ’07. He forgot why the yankees won 4 titles in the late 90′s.

    He mistakenly thinks that offensive players who accumulate meaningless stats are more valued than great starting pitchers.

    I pity you.

  820. stuart August 21st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    Jersey you sound like a real knucklehead.. Just to explain some facts to you, the NL SUCKS.. THE NATS, PADRES,BRaves, ETC. they SUCK..

    Even the Yanks would dominate the NL..

    You sound like the usual young fool who has no idea on what you are talking about , so how old are you 15? 17? This your first year of watching games correct? Your dad tell you about Gene Michael? How about Bob Watson?

    How about Cashman cleaning up for the tampa mafia; giambi, kevin brown , sheff(not Vlad), and other crap.. SIgn a declining crappy over paid player like(giambi, sheffield, or others) and it hurts not for 1 year but for MANY YEARS… 7 YR. DEALS 90 % OF THE TIME WILL KILL A ORGANIZATION..

  821. Frank August 21st, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    “And yet, Hanley Ramirez is MUCH more valuable than Beckett :-).”

    More valuable to what…. your fantasy team? You’re joking right?

  822. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    “If you want a dominant pitcher, do what Boston did. TRADE for a YOUNG pitcher (cost controlled) with the ability to be dominant. They did and… Beckett is.”

    When we are offering CC 25 mill per for 7 and Ollie Perez 19 per for 6 and Burnett the same and Sheets 20 mill per for 7 will you have a change of heart? Santana will be underpaid by the end of the feeding frenzy in December.

    If they are prepared to pay a starter that much why didn’t they just trade for the best one last winter???

    The system is supposedly stacked with front line worthy right handers. They can afford to move some.

  823. Josh August 21st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Ok even as a Beckett-hater, how is Hanley Ramirez more valuable than Beckett? Have you seen that guy in the post-season?

  824. Frank August 21st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    LOL Jersey.

  825. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    stuart you are more of a joke than the guy who said Hanley Ramirez is more valued than Josh Beckett.

    Stew I know you think Hughes is going to win multiple Cy Youngs but you got to relax and use the noggin.

  826. Showalter '09 August 21st, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Ox, you are right. They tried to pull the “rebuilding while contending” shtick that the Knicks have been trying for this past decade and it turned into a disaster for us.

    They re-signed 33 yr old Arod for $300 milliom, 36 yr old Posada for 4 years, brought back Andy for $16 million, picked up Abreu’s $16 million doller option, and then tried to plug 3 inexperienced pitchers and a washed up Mussina (coming off the worst year of his career in 07) into the rotation and we had no bullpen to speak of. We are lucky Girardi fixed Farnsworth and gave the young relievers chances.

    Cashman convinced Hank/Hal that we would sell out the stadium so might as well rebuild now. And of course, neither of the Steins know anything about baseball, so they accepted it. Now they are feeling the backlash.

    It is baffling how poorly the 2008 Yankees were constructed. That idiot Omar Minaya and Tony Bernezzard have overtaken us.

  827. Denny August 21st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    You have awoken Stuart from his slumber. May you all pay the price!!!

  828. Christina August 21st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    best game i have been to this year. close to the 17-2 loss against the red sox. we are terrible. cant wait to see pavano.

  829. ellen August 21st, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Christina, unfortunately you won’t have to wait long.

  830. Frank August 21st, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    “If they are prepared to pay a starter that much why didn’t they just trade for the best one last winter???”

    Because for both Santana and CC, they would have to give up a good amount of TOP prospects AND sign that player long term. So instead of signing CC 25 mil per for 7, you’re signing CC for 25 mil per for 7 AND giving up A-Jax, Hughes, Melancon and possibly a McCallister type.

    If the Yankees sign CC this offseason, that’s one thing. They need a frontline pitcher. But don’t trade for what you can sign a couple months later.

  831. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Anyone with a brain could see that this was a disaster in the making.

    The rotation was a mess back in March. You can’t put 3 rookies on innings limits into a championship rotation.

    It just isn’t done.

    They had a team here that could have done something if they put their minds to it to improve it. Sad to see.

    They are getting out Gm’d by Omar and his mini brained brain trust.

    You think Omar shy’d away from Santana for a second? Nah. he realized that Gomez may become great and so could Guerra but getting an arm like Santana for prospects and taking nothing away from your big league team was too good to pass up.

  832. stuart August 21st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Jersey if you think the yanks would sign either Oliver Perez or sheets for that type of money you are even dumber then I thought and my opinion of you is not real high.

    Oliver Perez will never ever ever be a yankee…CC will not get $25 mill for 7 yr. it is not happening so just spout your #’s but you have no clue….

  833. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    “If the Yankees sign CC this offseason, that’s one thing. They need a frontline pitcher. But don’t trade for what you can sign a couple months later.”

    How do you know you can sign him? Why not get him a yr early and sign him to what is going to be an under market deal? Why not win this year???

    What is wrong with trying to actually you know WIN? This isn’t a development team here.

    Whats the downside? Hughes turns into a 20 game winner? The other guys in the trades are fringe guys. You have to give up to get.

  834. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    How do you know on Aug 21 what the Yanks will be desperate enough to do in Nov?

    You can’t see them giving Perez a deal? he’s lefty, throws mid 90′s and wins big games.

    Burnett? He has dominating stuff. Same with Sheets.

    Sabathia is going to have 10 teams in on him. He is going to blow Santana’s deal out of the water. If you can’t see that you haven’t watched the hot stove.

  835. stuart August 21st, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    yeah you cannot put 3 rookies in the rotation like Minnesota it cannot be done…

    But if Minny put 4 in the rotation is that a problem? Or tampa with basically no starter over 25 and sonnastine, jackson ,and garza each with less then 10 wins going into the season..

    IT cannot be done you guys are right minny and tampa will have to forfeit all there games because there staffs are to young and that is illegal…

  836. MLL August 21st, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    Just think. It gets better on Sat with Raja.

  837. Frank August 21st, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    It made more sense for the Mets. None of those pitching prospects figured into their plans. None of those pitchers (Humber, Guerra) had the pedigree or are considered in the same league as Hughes or even Kennedy, regardless of what Hughes and Kennedy turn out to be.

    Both those pitcher figured into the Yankees long term plans. The Yankees made a good long-term decision, and as such it looks bad now.

  838. bru August 21st, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    this season has been over for a while.the entire team is a huge mess,no pitching,old players,terrible defense,fragile minds.they need to keep jeter,arod,cano,mo,wang,joba and get rid of everyone else except a few more bullpen guys,maybe.they have to go in the opposite direction,spend money on pitching and a lot less on position players,get younger,faster,leaner,meaner.i would love to have abraeu back but not for 16 million dollars.why do the yankees pay 3-5 million dollars more for every single player per year than any other team would or does.arod would of taken less but the yankees gave him 30 million,jeter is not worth 19 million,a 6-10 million dollar shortstop will do.pettitte is getting 16 million a year and kashmir gets like 8 million,becket like 10 million.get good solid cheaper players ,sign sabathia and sheets or another frontline pitcher.imagine a rotation of sabathia,wang,sheets,joba,mussina/hughes.girardi has to get his head out of his butt also.shut joba down for the year,you do not wan’t to risk losing him,the year is bad enough we don’t need to get him more hurt than he already is.hughes also needs a half year in 2009 in AAA,he has 2 major league ready pitches so when his off speed pitches aren’t working he goes with his fastball and curve only and hitters sit on them.

  839. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Shields, Kazmir, Jackson, Sonnastine and Garza aren’t rookie’s Stewie. You think they had some growing pains the past 3 years??

  840. NYyanksFan August 21st, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    “Sabathia is going to have 10 teams in on him. He is going to blow Santana’s deal out of the water.”

    Of those 10 teams, how many will be willing to pay blow Santana’s deal out of the water kind of money?

  841. Alfred E. Kennedy August 21st, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Unfortunately, this is now a developmental team. I would not get my hopes up this off-season. The only way we know that next year will be different is if Cashman is fired. If he isin’t, it will be the same old story again. Cashman will talk the Steinbros into trotting out the Hughes/Kennedy duo again, explaining how attendance will be fine in the new stadium. He will dabble with Sabathia but walk away when the bidding gets past 5 years, ditto Tex. He will instead replace them with Alfred Aceves and Miranda.

    Have to realize these are no longer George’s Yankees. We are not the dominant organization we once were. Between heightened parity and this new-found obsession with prospects and rebuilding, we are now a middle of the pack franchise.

  842. Frank August 21st, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Jersey –

    CC Sabathia WILL be a free agent. And as such, the Yankees will have a good chance to sign him as always b/c they have the most resources.

    But like you said, there’s no GUARANTEE they will sign him. So you don’t give up your top prospects for a player who’s going to be a free agent anyway. It’s as simple as it gets.

  843. Fredo Corleone August 21st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    “CC will not get $25 mill for 7 yr.”

    It’ll be pretty close to that, Stu. Santana got 6 x $23M plus an option for a 7th year. Sabathia is looking at very close to the same.

  844. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    It wasn’t like the Yankees were giving up Joba to get Santana.

    Hughes was/is expendable.

    They have loads of young pitching coming up. Every geek here can tell you that they are flush with right handed pitching.

    They had one stud rookie ready to go. You can break in one with ease. You can’t do 3 as we have seen. It wouldn’t have effected the farm either trading them with all those guys on the verge of coming up.

  845. Bob Merc-The Shift August 21st, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    I saw Melky here in Scranton tonight…my lawyer has 5 seats right behind home plate…he looks miserable to be down in AAA…if any of you were a fan of this guy…I think he won’t be around too very much longer. The worst thing he could do is come here and develop an attitude. God I love those seats…you can see the players expressions and reactions very clearly. As far as the Yankees loss tonight…why even discuss it?

  846. Tank August 21st, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Texas, Boston, Mets, Detroit, White Sox, Cubs, Yankees, Dodgers can all afford him. So could teams like the Giants or Giants should they chose to go that direction.

    A GM like Daniels, Williams or Dombrowski who are not afraid to spend money and wants to make a splash can easily offer him a crazy contract. Dombrowski and Daniels already have handed out crazy deals (Arod, Miguel Cabrera).

    Cashman has to be willing to beyond Santana money if we want CC.

  847. LLIME August 21st, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Cashman owed the veterans on this team who wanted to win a ring, the chance to win one. He did not this year. We can only hope he realized his mistake and rectifies it in the offseason.

  848. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    “Of those 10 teams, how many will be willing to pay blow Santana’s deal out of the water kind of money?”

    When it is 26 per for 7 yrs or 22 per for 7 does it matter?

    Doesn’t it become where you want to live and be? If he knows hes not a city guy and an East Coast guy why bother?

    Every team knows how valuable an ace is. Who would have thought the Giants would go that much on Zito?

    And CC blows Zito away. The Mariners, Tigers, Orioles, SOx, Mets, etc won’t be in on him?

    And what if we have to go to 27 per for 7 yrs. I can see Hal and Cash passing altogether on him. They’ve shown a big reluctance to hand out long years.

  849. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    stick was in favor of it, but it doesn’t matter because hal nixed it anyway because he was cheap.

    No he wasn’t, he even went on Kellerman’s show and denied the rumors he was in favor of it. My god where are you getting your info. I clearly heard him say he likes that Phil Hughes is still here, unless you believe he’s lieing which lets be honest why would Stick do that.

  850. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    What we have is a weird team. They want to rebuild and develop yet they want to win.

    How did that clubhouse feel last winter when they passed on Santana? They knew what they were doing. The team knew. Kids take a long time to develop. Not every kid pitcher is as gifted as Joba.

  851. Ox August 21st, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    “No he wasn’t, he even went on Kellerman’s show and denied the rumors he was in favor of it. My god where are you getting your info. I clearly heard him say he likes that Phil Hughes is still here, unless you believe he’s lieing which lets be honest why would Stick do that.”

    Isn’t Stick still a Yankee employee? Why would he speak out against his bosses and Cash? Do you take every interview at 100% face value?

    What is he supposed to say? “I told ya so”?

  852. Kill-Schill(ing) August 21st, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    i love all the Cashman suck-ups who frequent this site who defend every decision the man makes, no matter how misguided. Are you on his payroll? Or are you just incapable of critical thinking and independent thought?

    So what if Cashman is an improvement on the Tampa fools George surrounded himself with? That’s like assigning Sidney Ponson the ace of your staff and trumpeting its wisdom because he’s better than Tim Redding or Darrel May.

    The Red Sox traded Carl Pavano and Tony Armas Jr. for Pedro Martinez and signed him to 6 year contact for $75 million. With one move, the Red Sox suddenly became contenders and contended every year for the next six while he pitched for them. I’m sick of hearing you can’t cede prospects and sign pitchers to a long-term contract.

    Johan Santana is 29 yrs old and has a dominant change-up that will keep him a dominant starter for the next six years.

    When an ace is available once a decade and you have the chance to acquire him, you execute the trade.

    No one was urging the Yankees to cede Joba or to empty there entire system to acquire him. They even could have held on to IPK. Hughes, a 4th outfielder, a B pitching prospect, and a Single A, third baseman for Johan Santana hardly mortgages your future.

    I just want to hear Cashman, for once, say, I was wrong, I take responsibility, I made a mistake.

    We expect IPK to flagellate himself after a bad outing and he’s been a professional for one year. Cashman’s been the GM for ten years and can go sign Kei Igawa and forgo Santana and still insist he’s not disappointed with his performance, that he’s made wise decisions and we consider that defensible? It isn’t.

  853. Frank August 21st, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Prospects is the way to build a team. The Red Sox are doing great with it. As do the Angels, Diamondbacks, Twins and so on.

    Developing your top prospects and smart free agent signings. The only reason it looks bad is b/c the Yankees are a couple years behind the Sox as far as drafting aggressively.

    The Yankees also take more chances in the draft. They take high ceiling but risky picks (Brackman, Joba) and a lot of picks out of high school with upside.

    Most of the Sox picks are more sure things. Safer picks. Pedrioa and Lowrie all played Pac-10 ball and were stars.

  854. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Ox do you really care what the overpaid players feel ? seriously who cares soon they will all be ex. players

    Posada
    Jeter
    Giambi
    Abreu
    Matsui

    All the vets that have expirings or are 2-3 years away will soon all be gone. It ends, the FA splashes the not bringing up young prospects all of that ends.

  855. Jersey August 21st, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    It is a lack of foresight on Cashmans part.

    I know the whole keep Hughes sign Sabathia thing is great in theory. But knowing how the market is don’t you anticipate that Santana signing last year is going to be cheap compared to a guy on the open market?

    The only reason I can see for not doing it especially if they are now going to overpay for some FA is they thought Hughes was an ace.

    It’s the only reason.

    I know all the lines from the pro Hughes posse here. 22 yrs old, dominated minors, almost no hitter, won in Oct, etc

    But his stuff doesn’t scream top of the rotation.

    I hope I’m wrong but getting passed over for Rasner, Ponson and Pavano doesn’t make me think so.

  856. Brandon ( FIRE LONG ! clapclap clapclapclap, botalo a la basura !) August 21st, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Isn’t Stick still a Yankee employee? Why would he speak out against his bosses and Cash? Do you take every interview at 100% face value?

    He’s Stick Micheals there is no reason for him to lie, he walks if they don’t like it, remember the Yankees looked for him not the other way around.

    What is he supposed to say? “I told ya so”?

    He has more than enough brass to speak his mind.

  857. Jose August 21st, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    OX -

    Arod, Abreu, Posada, Cano, and MO all gave their support of the deal to acquire Santana.

    Posada and MO’s deals got done right around that time and they commented on it.

    Posada said we needed a #1 – http://www.nj.com/news/index.s.....o_get.html

    Cano advocated it too – http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

    Abreu commented as well – http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....y=news_nyy

    Couldn’t find the links for Arod, but I remember he was asked about him during his conference call when he signed his new contract. If someone can find that, it should be there.

    MO advocated the trade as well after he signed his extension.

  858. stuart August 21st, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    jersey jerk read my post I Said jackson, sonnastine ,and garza all had less then 10 wins each.. can you read?

    also garza has very very limited experience yes he did go to college..

    yeah what about minny; slowey, BLACKBURN, and the other guy are rookies and liriano has pitched 1 other year.. sorry for the facts you moron….

    I will explain it so your peanut brain can understand and that would be very slowly so you can understand..

    The yankee offense was suppose to offset the young pitching but since the offense SUCKS THAT KINDA HURT THE PLAN. THE YANKS SCORED 960 RUNS LAST YEAR, JERSEY THAT IS A LOT EVEN SOME PERSON WITH YOUR 40 IQ SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.. They assumed the offense would be now a small amount since guys are getting older but also assumed Cano would continue to develop….

  859. There's still time August 21st, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    Does anyone else feel this way?

    It’s like the world is coming to an end, and you expect that the government MUST do something to stop the asteroid, and yet each day that nears the end, we further except the fact that after Sept. 21, baseball will no longer exist (in 2008)

    2 Months ago, we were saying, no way it will get to that point. George Steinbrenner will come out of retirement, shake down the team, and fire every last person before we miss the playoffs.

    Yet here we are on Aug 21, 11 games out of the division, accepting our fate.

  860. Frank August 22nd, 2008 at 12:31 am

    LOL.

    This was always a transition year.

    They are transition young pitchers into the rotation for what they hope will be a dominant rotation for years to come. They signed who they had to sign. A-Rod, Posada, and Mo will still be the cornerstone vets of this team once the new faces begin to take over. And once those contracts are up, guys like Hughes, Joba, A-Jax and so on will be the cornerstones.

    They had to bring back Abreu. They had to bring back Pettitte. But only for this year and perhaps next for Pettitte.

    But Giambi, Abreu, Pettitte, Mussina, Damon and Matsui don’t figure into this teams plans. They are being phased out. But the Yankeees have to try to compete every year. New York won’t have it any other way, so they have to bring back guys like that until a new crop of players are ready.

    It was never about this year. It’s always been about the (near) future.

    Any smart baseball fan will tell you that with the resources the Yankees put into the draft and into free agency, this team will contend for years to come. It’s just going to take some time. A phasing-out process has to occur. Trust Cash.

  861. Paulie D August 22nd, 2008 at 1:29 am

    “minny and tampa will have to forfeit all there games because there staffs are to young and that is illegal”

    Not to bait the bear, but Stu, maybe you should knock off the name calling. When you don’t know the difference between “there” and “their”, accusing someone of having a peanut brain or a 40 IQ doesn’t make you look terribly bright. Worse, it dilutes your points.

    Cashman (and Epstein) both blew it with Santana, and hindsight’s a bitch. But throwing 170-180M at CC is a huge risk because the guy is likely going to break down before the contract is half way done. Better to roll the dice and trade for a young stud who’s relatively affordable, like E. Santana.

  862. darkmoonfire August 22nd, 2008 at 2:13 am

    Any smart baseball fan will tell you that with the resources the Yankees put into the draft and into free agency, this team will contend for years to come. It’s just going to take some time. A phasing-out process has to occur. Trust Cash.

    I see no evidence of there being a great future to come without significant organizational changes. There’s not much left in our farm that’s safe to assume will become great players, even good players.

    Kennedy — done. Hughes, maybe pans out as a number 3, maybe. Joba — can he pitch a full season without injuries? What else is there? Nothing for 2009, maybe a few guys for 2010 if they make the cut.

    There’s no way I trust Cashman. He’s failed to get us pitching every single year he’s been in full control. His youth movement is bleeding and in tatters. We have so few pitchers left we’re starting Pavano on Saturday. What a joke.

    He took a team that was a contender and destroyed it this year with some of the worst management moves in decades. His hiring of Girardi was obviously a mistake too.

    Cashman is not the worst GM in baseball. But he’s a very long way from being the best. He’s not good enough for the Yankees. However, sadly I guess he will be back Hank and Hal don’t care about anything other than the money.

    If they cared about winning he’d have been fired mid-season.

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