I’ve just been handed an urgent and horrifying news story. I need all of you, to stop what you’re doing and listen.
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According to his agent, Carl Pavano has been told he will start against the Orioles on Saturday.
God help us all.
UPDATE, 2:46 p.m.: “He worked extremely hard to put himself in this position, to get back and help the this club,” agent Tom O’Connell told the Star-Ledger. “He’s really excited about the opportunity and he’s up to the challenge.”
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Peter Abraham
Be afraid. Be VERY afraid.
I lol’d at the Ron Burgundy pic.
It’s a little chilly down here.
its over…i can see the light
THE ONLY WAY I FORGIVE HIM SOMEWHAT IS IF HE GOES 5,6-0 AND GET US IN THE PLAYOFFS
CANNONBALL!!!!!
2 phrases for my Pavano prediction, a total of 4 words:
-1. “Jose Lima Syndrome”
-2. “Homers.”
yayyyyy!!! i’m psyched beyond belief!!!
Okay. So, it’s official.
What/how did Carl respond?????
And do you think he’ll be anywhere near available for pre-/post-game interviews?
I am not happy about this…..I am traveling to Baltimore from Mass to see the game and this is how I get rewarded!!!!!!!!!!! And on top of it there isn’t even a free promotional item to keep my occupied while he gets smoked!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhh
Since he’s become a MLB punching bag, and considering he’s gone at the end of the season, wouldn’t it make sense for the Rajah of Rehab to actually PITCH WELL?? We all know he wants to pitch in the major leagues next year.
Sooo . . . maybe he’s going to give us something good?
Ugh. I can’t believe how much of an optimist I am.
And think of this: If he DOES pitch okay Saturday, and we assume they’re not ready to bring Hughes back next week, guess who Pavano would be facing next Thursday.
If he pitches in the Bronx next week, he better watch out for flying tomatoes, rotten cabbage, batteries, etc.
The day Pavano takes the mound is the day someone would claim to have seen Bigfoot. Oh wait, that already happened!!
CANNONBALL!!
I am going to the game tomorrow night, I may have to stick around an extra day just to see this with my own eyes!
Prediction:
Innings: 5.2
Runs 3
Walks 2
K’s 3
Gets the win, leaves game to a standing O from Yankee fans.
7 innings of 3 hit shutout ball…guarantee it
Should have waited for the new stadium. I hear the new clubhouse is wheelchair accessible.
Wood, Yanks have an off day on MOnday, Pavano would get the Jays next time around
I believe in 2nd (1,934) chances. so maybe the yankees will get something for their money
im predicting pavano wins saturday at balitmore and thursday at the stadium vs. the sox.
Peter, the fact that you used an anchorman reference moved you so far up in my books, you rock and whammy
6.1 IP 6H 3R 2BB
I’ll be there Saturday and I’d sign up for that right now… as long as the Yankees score 4.
“Since he’s become a MLB punching bag, and considering he’s gone at the end of the season, wouldn’t it make sense for the Rajah of Rehab to actually PITCH WELL?? We all know he wants to pitch in the major leagues next year.”
This guy hates competition and since both Florida clubs are now decent he cant hide down there anymore. He only will pitch next year if he can pitch for an independent ball club in Florida that is near a beach where he can hit on girls who are on spring break.
It has been prophesized…
An injured hurler who formally dated an actress who appeared as Tony Danza’s daughter on an 80’s sitcom will emerge from the darkness to lead the greatest team in all of sport to a playoff berth only to be derailed by a wayward hamstring in the third inning of his first start in 16 months.
Could this season be anymore of a soap opera?!
Compelling and rich….not sure whether to laugh or vomit.
In reality, my Pavano prediction:
5.2 6 4 4 2 3
if he pitches well for the rest of his career THE YANKEES WILL still never sign him again WAIT, THESE ARE THE YANKEES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT so WE”LL SEE
pavano wins saturday and again on friday at the stadium vs. the jays.
Be afraid
“Compelling and rich….not sure whether to laugh or vomit.”
Laugh THEN vomit.
my prediction 8.0 4 1 2 7
Having this guy on the team is an embarrassment in itself. Having him pitching down the stretch is a new level of pathetic.
“This guy hates competition”
he must’ve forgotten that when he pitched great in the 2003 postseason.
Why is everyone acting so surprised? I don’t understand. You think it’s easy earning $40,000,000 and never contributing to the team? Baby needs a new Porsche!
sorry 8.0 4 1 1 2 7
There is a nice time line on wikipedia for those of us who could use a little refresher on the infamous Carl Pavano.
The veteran red sox team members were given the courtesy of them being asked if they had objection to Manny remaining on their team.
How about it, front office?
His line: 6IP, 2ER, 4H
I think he’s going to be great.
he must’ve forgotten that when he pitched great in the 2003 postseason.
It’s been estblished we were hung over that night.
This was on TV.
Anyone know who’s pitching for Baltimore on Saturday?
That’s it.. If they win the next 2 games I’m going to baltimore saturday.
And Pavano pounded his fist!
the yankees should really make sure all his days be away from the stadium so that he’ll only get cheers
His line:
9IP, 0H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 27K
blows perfect game with 2 outs in the ninth on a slow dribbler back to the box that he airmails into the stands behind 1st base.
“he must’ve forgotten that when he pitched great in the 2003 postseason.
It’s been estblished we were hung over that night.”
Thank you Brandon. I rest my case.
“blows perfect game with 2 outs in the ninth on a slow dribbler back to the box that he airmails into the stands behind 1st base.”
….and loses 1-0. (:
Am i the only one who thinks this is Fantastic…In that, wow that tornado looks cool on TV, but keep it away from my house kind of way…
he might have not earned it but he should get this small chance to say sorry to the fans If the yankees win every game he’s in I might forgive him for 2008
Predict his line all you want.
What’s for better theatre will be the team reception of him after he strikes out Mora with the tying run on 3rd in the 7th inning.
Does the entire team greet him at the dugout steps? Does Moose?
I’m not watching the game because I think he’ll pitch well and give us a shot, because I don’t.
I’m watching for the Soap Opera that he has become.
I can see it now, Pavano being showered with ticker tape in the valley heroes after carrying the Yankees to their 27 WS Championship.
Serious split ends will cause him to exit in the third inning.
“blows perfect game with 2 outs in the ninth on a slow dribbler back to the box that he airmails into the stands behind 1st base.â€
“….and loses 1-0. (:”
You forget that we have the most prolific offense in baseball this year, so losing 1-0 is not possible.
To answer a couple questions from the previous thread:
Vallejo is only about 45 minutes from SF, so no air travel needed.
And CC has a dream house here (aka a ’sick crib’) which has been profiled in the SF Chronicle. Google and ye shall find. So I dare not speculate how much dreamier the new place can be. But being in a city not named ‘Vallejo’ will be a good first step.
“And Pavano pounded his fist!”
how many hand bones did that shatter?
http://dicegay.blogspot.com – wonder if pavano will update his blog before his big start
Hey, maybe he can actually beat the Orioles for us!
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The defacto Ace is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Yankee Season is Saved!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cannonballlllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trips over rubber on way up mound and falls face first on that nasty looking spike cleaner. then inhales rosin from bag and develops mysterious lung disorder.
Post-CF benching we are 1 and 1, not to late to right the wrong.
I have a few excuses Carl can use so he doesn’t have to pitch.
1. I fell on my butt and injured it.
2. I crashed my Porche into a parked garbage truck and broke a rib
3.I ironed my shirt and burnt myself.
4. I fluffed my kids pillow and hurt my arm
5. I slept on my arm funny
I am not watching the game on Sat. His demise will be viewed on gamecast. I cant deal with the reception he’ll get from the boys when he gets shelled.
Rhapsody in Blue -
THAT would be amazing and very, very ironic! And the perfect end to a twilight zone season.
Okay for real I don’t like to harp on Pavano some of it really is bad luck and the team protecting its investment maybe not all of it but a lot. But i say give the man a chance. Let the yankees get some return from the guy so far his 40 million dollar contract has added up to almost $23,500 per pitch thrown, I dont make that much in a year. He cant be worse than some of the other people the yankees have used and called a starter this year.
“Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The defacto Ace is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Yankee Season is Saved!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
You better be kidding, because if you’re not: What are you on and where can I get some?
I still don’t understand those who feel Pavano somehow doesn’t deserve to pitch for the Yankees. What he doesn’t deserve is to continue to sit home and get paid for not pitching for the Yankees. The Yankees should, by all means, put him out there and get as many innings as they possibly can out of him before he gets hurt again. The problem with Pavano isn’t his performance on the mound, it is that he never gets to the mound. If he’s ready to pitch, hopefully he gives us a few good ballgames. More likely, he’ll only give us a couple, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t throw him out there. He’s being paid a lot of money. Pitch him.
The heading to this entry is hilarious! lol
With the way this season gone, it would be even more hilarious if the guy actually pitched well.
Think about it.
At the start of the season, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy were going to be the “Young Guns” pitching meaningful, late-August games to try and get the Yankees into the playoffs.
Now, its Sidney Ponson and Carl Pavano, two guys were are persona non grata throughout baseball, doing it!
You can’t make this stuff up.
Seriously though, if Pavano can pitch as well as Sir Sidney has in his second go’round in the Bronx, it would be the biggest story of the season.
I can see the Post Headline now: “American Idle pitches Yanks to Playoff Berth”!
As they say, if you go to a baseball, something can happen you never have seen before.
Carl Pavano will start for the New York Yankees. That my friends, classifies as something we never thought we would see again.
Consipiracy theory alert —
I wonder if Pavano has cleared waivers?
If so, I wonder if the Yankees are hoping that he has a couple of decent starts, and that they could then trade him to a contender desperate for help down the stretch. Could that be possible?
If Carl is in Toronto maybe he can take Roy for a spin in the ‘ol Porsche before tonight’s game?
I’d like to say I’m sorry for the harsh feelings and negativity you all have conjured up against me. And why shouldn’t you? I’m handsome – date gorgeous women – drive hot cars – own a few properties (much like my hero John McCain) – I now vow to give you Yankee fans all I’ve got from now until the end of the season to ensure a postseason appearance.
I love you all, Carl Pavano
ten bucks he only lasts two innings!!!!!!!
You just know SOMETHING dramatic will happen. He can’t go out and pitch 6 innings, giving up 3 runs. He’ll either 1)implode, 2) pitch very well, or 3) suffer another injury. Most probable: a combination of 1 and 3, or 2 and 3.
And to show what a great team player he’s become, Carl’s agent immediately starts shouting the news rather than let the Yankees announce it. Is that because he’s afraid they might change their mind and he’s trying to back them into a corner?
“So I dare not speculate how much dreamier the new place can be. But being in a city not named ‘Vallejo’ will be a good first step.”
La Jolla?
Abort arson mission.
Commence San Andreas Fault activator!
Sorry Nick, we all have to make some sacrifices for the larger call.
Who’s pitching????
Captain Optimism, you forgot that after the near perfecto, he blew out his hammy on the wild throw to 1st and will be out the rest of the year.
Against Roy, Gardner has more upside than Giambi…5 K’s in his last 6 AB’s…
I’m actually really anxious to see this, haha. Mostly because I want to see how the rest of the team is going to react to him.
The fact that his agent announced this just adds to the many reasons I can’t stand Carl Pavano. He does not deserves this opportunity. Of course his agent is psyched – now he has a shot at actually getting Pavano a decent contract in the off-season. This is disgraceful. I don’t know if I’ve ever been this disappointed in a front office decision by the Yankees.
Give him this much — he had major arm surgery — Tommy John surgery! — and is returning right on schedule, as far as the recovery for that surgery goes. He wasn’t expected to pitch this year, but he did his rehab apparently and pitched well in the minors. It’s not like he’s had his toes in the sand the last six months.
Wouldn’t it ironic if Carl Pavano started the last regular season game at Yankee Stadium.
Rishi
August 21st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Anyone know who’s pitching for Baltimore on Saturday?
Jeremy Guthrie, RHP (10-9, 3.15)
What would happen if this guy pulled up lame after his bullpen session? I would love to be in here if that happens.
They bench Gardner, but start Pavano…..hmmmmmmmm
Can’t wait to see what he has. I’m rooting for him all the way.
For the faint of heart – BabiesrUs website ——–>
4 things:
1. this should be the rotation next year cc/wang/sheets/joba/moose or pettitte…. its time not to be cheap, im sick that every single season the yankees dont get the starters they need, and at the end when they are struggling they try to get some below averague pitcher (chacon, leiter, ponson )i know some of them make the team better, but in october when games really matter they suck…. pitching should be the priority this offseason, speacially if we miss the playoffs
2. keep hughes and kennedy next year in the minors… let them pitch a whole year in AAA, dont rush them, thats why you have a good rotation in the first place, i think both are very talented (specially hughes)
3. i dont want to go into the past, but last year you have 2 good CF in the free agency, rowland and hunter… i knew hunter would be expensive, but i still dont get it why the yankees didnt go after rowland.. now this year theres no CF avaible and ajax is not ready, so im a little bit concern about this, i think they should buyout giambis option next year… he is just batting .250, i would prefer someone batting .280 – .290 with less than 10 HR than giambi, but still besides mark teixeira theres no good fit for the yankees avaible
4. abreu should go too, i like nady in the right field… to get a decent CF this are my trade candidates: melky, matsui, gardner, betemit and kennedy….i know its not going to happend and im just dreaming but i would love to have manny on my team, can u imagine this lineup DH Damon, SS Jeter, 1B Teixeira, 3B Arod, LF Manny, RF Nady, C Posada, 2B Cano, CF some guy except melky or gardner
thoughts????
PAVANO PAVANO !! What ever it takes! we will rock you!
p.s. please dont get a bl**job on the way to the stadium!
Thanks, CK…
That doesn’t help the cause
“Wouldn’t it ironic if Carl Pavano started the last regular season game at Yankee Stadium.”
Talk about curses!?!?! :O
amazing. so the guy might pitch 1 or 2 decent games, then he can go out in the off season and ask for tons of money.
great job.
I am intrigued now that I know the Yanks have a club option on Pavano for next year.
If Pavano is pitching the rest of this season for a contract next year and the Yankees hold a net $11 million dollar option on him for next season. Cashman has to be able to use that somehow.
nick,
is heyman wrong when he put the new house in orange county?
if so, i stand corrected.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/08/15/scoop.friday/index.html
And Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes are right now banging their heads against a wall. LOL
I actually love reading the posts in here sometimes. I cannot believe that the average age is over 13 with some of the posts.
Get over yourselves. The Yankees need a pitcher. You really should be hoping for nothing more than Pavano to be lights out. You should be mature enough to realize that he has the capability to do a good job. Let the past stay in the past for now. He’s wearing the laundry, try to be good sports and root him on.
If he does something stupid, you will have earned the right to trash him. He is coming up to help the Yankees in a tough spot. Give him the chance to prove himself.
Or are all of you perfect and spotless in everything you do and have ever done?
Just saying’.
Let Pavano pitch till his arm falls off. So what’s wrong with Phil Hughes or Phil Yews as Michael Kay would say…Dead Arm or he was sick? Just don’t let Phil sneeze or cough if he was sick..wouldn’t want him to crack another rib.
nick
heyman says cc’s new home is being built in orange county. (i tried several time to post this with the link but it wont go through) it was in his 8/15 column on si.com
Hope his buttocks are up to the task at hand.
Pavano is the obvious and logical choice for this start. I don’t care if his teammates hate him or fans (myself included) hate him. If he pitches 6 strong innings and keeps us in the game on Saturday none of the other BS matters.
After the season, kick his butt to the curb. I’m not ready to give up on this season yet. Is anyone else?
And it’s all well and good until Pavano trips over the foul line on the way to the mound and sprains his ankle.
(Yes it’s just a chalk line, but if someone could find a way to trip on it, it’d be Carl.)
Yeah that’s mature. You’d like nothing more than for him to pull up lame and be here so you can what? Lose weight in your fingers by typing mad nonsense like crazy? Will that help the Yankees reach their goal?
Isn’t that what this is all about? If the Yankees have chosen him to pitch Saturday it’s because they have done the evaluating none of us have the ability to do, and they have decided he is the best choice.
So we are here to root him on. Correct?
“worked extremely hard”
are you on crack?
So to sum it up, Chris Britton will be optioned to SWB again, Pavano will pitch, get hurt and Britton will be back again. Sounds about right.
heyman says cc’s new home is being built in orange county. (i tried several time to post this with the link but it wont go through) it was in his 8/15 column on si.com
I don’t care if he buys 6 houses it doesn’t guarantee anything. I’m telling watch CC end up in NY.
I’m traveling all the way to Baltimore for Saturday’s game and I have to watch this clown pitch, awesome…..
from phil hughes’ blog after his last start:
“Hey everyone. Sorry it’s been a while since I’ve checked in. I’ve been feeling very good lately on the mound which has been encouraging. I’m hoping to build on that and make the most of what is left of this season. Also, my last two outings I’ve worn my Oakley prescription glasses and they have worked out well. ”
nothing about being sick….
“Pavano is the obvious and logical choice for this start. I don’t care if his teammates hate him or fans (myself included) hate him. If he pitches 6 strong innings and keeps us in the game on Saturday none of the other BS matters.
After the season, kick his butt to the curb. I’m not ready to give up on this season yet. Is anyone else?”
I’m not. I think your post is right on the money. If you need to dump on him and wish him the worst, wait until the season is over. For now, he’s our guy.
Please stop saying mean things about Pavano on here, you might upset his fan(s).
Oh come on. We can root him on AND make fun of him at the same time. He really has earned it (actually, it’s the only thing he’s earned from the Yankees)
Pat,
Re: The option, it all depends on how he pitches for the next 6 weeks. I do agree, its an interesting situation.
What if he surprises and pitches well the next 5 weeks? By “well”, I would say, good enough to warrant picking up the option.
He’s only 32. If he pitches well, which is GREAT incentive for him to pitch now, you have to think the Yankees would love to be in a position to get something for him (by picking up his option and trading him) or keeping him.
They don’t have anybody else to make the start Saturday. Might as well as see what Pavano can do.
Good. Now earn some of that money!
Pitch us into the playoffs and all is forgiven.
I say let Pavano pitch and put Gardner back in the line-up.
Pavano is probably the only SP who can put on a cap and get a concussion at the same time.
You do have to wonder if there is any desire within Carl Pavano to prove something to others.
Is Pavano content to ride out his contract with the Yankees, to just walk away a wealthy man, then knowing his reference forever remain a constant source of joke and derision whenever his name is mentioned?
He is from Connecticutt, not like he or his family are exempt from seeing and hearing the contempt for which he is held. Does he have any pride at all? We’ll find out Saturday.
trisha,
“If he does something stupid, you will have earned the right to trash him.”
Does the unreported car accident that he had in Florida with the babe in car while he was supposed to be rehaabbing count
Is Sunday’s starter Shawn Chacon then?
Brandon:
LOLOLOLOL
Phil and Joba should spend the rest of the season in AAA.
Ok, where does Pavano rank among the worst fa signings in baseball history. He’s definately up there with Hampton and Zito.
Pavano is a conspiracy, he will pitch horrible to ensure we are out of the race. It was all part of his plan.
Let us not forget Gagme…
brandon, calm down, nobody said anything about him not signing with the yankees cause his house is in oc or the bay area or pyongyang. i was just correcting info that nick put out.
As far as his teammates reaction to him, do you really think anybody on this team should be running their mouths given how they have underperformed this year?
He may not be the most popular guy in the clubhouse. Guess what? Who cares.
If he pitches well, even his most ardent haters in that locker room will appreciate it.
If guys on the team were having career years, and the team was on a roll, I’d actually care what they thought about Pavano coming back.
However, given how much these guys have underachieved (and in some cases, not even bother showing up ready to play for a ton of games) this year, their opinion means NOTHING.
I hope Pavano goes out there and pitches well enough to give them a chance to win on Saturday. Popularity in the locker room be damned.
“Oh come on. We can root him on AND make fun of him at the same time. He really has earned it (actually, it’s the only thing he’s earned from the Yankees)”
Now this is a sage post. But then there are those who just live to act ridiculous, and then there are those who have venom where there should be blood!
Hey is Nick around? I haven’t read my fill of 3rd grade humor and spiteful posts today!
tim, you getting anything for your constantly pimping gardner? is his agent cutting you in or something?
Imagine if he pitches a no hitter.
I put out incorrect information??!!??
I put out incorrect information??!!??
“I hope Pavano goes out there and pitches well enough to give them a chance to win on Saturday. Popularity in the locker room be damned.”
Bingo.
Anyone want to place odds that he pitches a perfect game on Saturday, resulting in an obligatory Yankeeography that tortures us over Thanksgiving for years and years to come??
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
do a barrel roll!
SJ you got to be kidding me you know how hard it’s going to be for those players to field w/ a straight when he hits the mound, hopefully the mound doesn’t hit back.
OMG!!!! it’s starting to snow here in Miami!!
Does anyone actually think there is one person on the Yankee 25-man roster who is not rooting for Pavano to pitch well?
That kind of thing is reserved for idiots…
Where’s the emergency cord?
I’d like to pull it — and halt this seventh-graders bus until the kiddie chatter stops and somebody starts talking baseball.
Pavano out in 2. I hope Robertson is loose Saturday.
Ben – living well is the best revenge. Don’t watch the Yankeeography! That’ll show him.
This week Yankeeography: “Carl Pavano — The Wounded Warrior.”
See Carl rise from the ashes to reach the pinnacle of pitching — a perfect game — only to tear a tendon in his pitching hand signing autographs afterwards.
For Pavano to be on the 40-man, place Posada on the 60-day dl? And for him to be on the 25-man, send down Britton (again)?
Urgent update:
Carl Pavano has started 19 games going 5-6 with a 4.77 ERA.
Over the course of the 111.1 IP he has thrown 1701 pitches.
The startling cost for the Yankees is $23,486.18 per major league pitch!
Now, that cost will go down with each pitch he throws from here on out, but honestly, how long do you think he will last during the remaining 1 1/4 months?
This is officially the weirdest yankee season is a long long time.
Pavano? Pavano? Pavano?
This season has lost all meaning.
It’s hard to talk Baseball when the subject of the thread hasn’t actually played any in almost two years.
man on a mission:
No..but at least replace Giambi in the line-up, his last 6 AB’s 5 K’s……….
Funny fact if this hasn’t already been mentioned… Carl Pavano’s last start was against Sir Sidney himself.
:-O
“Well they came and got me out of the nail salon”
All in all, I say “Go for It” with Pavano. The Yankees may as well try and get something out of CP in the last six weeks of the season. What’s the harm in that? Why push Hughes right now if he has a tired arm? Hughes will be with the Yankees next year, Carl won’t, so the Yankees may as well try to get something out of their $39.95m investment, the ugliest free agent signing in club history.
Trisha if he does something stupid? The last 4 years he has been stupid. Everytime it is something else with him. Go read Newsdays article. IT will refresh your memory.
Odds on Pavano perfect game:
75 million to one.
The Yankeeography would be 3 1/2 minutes long.
SJ44
What’s really interesting to me is with the past 4 years of history, even having a good end to this season probably isn’t going to be good enough to get him more than a 1 year deal. He is going to have to pitch well in 2009 for anyone to take an extended risk on him.
If he falls on his face in 2009 coming off a 4 year “rehab” his career is over. He has every incentive to make 2009 a career year unless he’s ready to walk away.
Every GM has to know that. The fact that he has a no trade throws a wrench into the works of trading him so it might come down to whether the Yanks are willing to add another 11 million to the pot to see if they could get something back on the 40 million they already anted up.
Does anyone actually think there is one person on the Yankee 25-man roster who is not rooting for Pavano to pitch well?
Trish I know, I know he’s a Yankee but this is a guy who came in 2004 said what’s up and flash forward to 2008 has done nothing.
We can be nice to Pavano, but damn you if your going to take my right to joke on him.
Now someone tell Jetes after Carl gets that ground out in the 3rd or 4th inning do not pat him on the back w/ the glove because he might collapse w. the impact.
His teamates dont respect him because he wasnt honest and didnt work hard enough to come back.
Yes, his teamates have underachieved, but very few of them can be accused of not working hard or trying.
“If he does something stupid, you will have earned the right to trash him.” I think the car accident if Florida that he tried to hide from the police becasue he was cavorting with a bimbo qualifies as something stupid.
Pavano has been chosen. I’ll root for him, but that doesnt mean I’ll respect him.
Nostradamus said
August 21st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
“It has been prophesized…
An injured hurler who formally dated an actress who appeared as Tony Danza’s daughter on an 80’s sitcom will emerge from the darkness to lead the greatest team in all of sport to a playoff berth only to be derailed by a wayward hamstring in the third inning of his first start in 16 months.”
Truely classic! I almost LOL at work!
Wrap him up in bubble wrap now and put him in a safe location
It would take 5 minutes alone to summarize Pavano’s injuries
Odds on Pavano throwing 40 injury-free pitches: 65,000,000-1
I hope Pavano pitch’s great, and I’m sure he will need an athletic CF’er, I know were one is wearing our laundry..
This week Yankeeography: “Carl Pavano — The Wounded Warrior.â€
See Carl rise from the ashes to reach the pinnacle of pitching — a perfect game — only to tear a tendon in his pitching hand signing autographs afterwards.
LOL
This may not be a bad thing. He’s pitching for a contract. You know some GM will be dumb enough to sign him…
hey maybe he will be comfortable with Pudge behind the plate. it will bring him memories of the old Marlin days
i think yanks should bring up 2 pitchers in case he gets hurt in a bullpen session before the game in Bmore, dont say it cant happen i live in ATL with Pavano hospital bud, Mike Hampton..
Brandon,
So what? Why should they care? Really. They had 120+ games to “care”. Instead, they wasted AB’s, had horrible stretches of games, numerous team meetings, mental mistakes, etc.
When you do that, guess what? You lose your right to second guess ANY decision the front office makes from hereon out.
They are lucky the front office doesn’t do a Billy Beane and just blow it up for the rest of the year because they don’t feel this group has it in them to win this year. As Beane has done with the A’s this season.
They don’t have anybody to pitch on Saturday. Phil Hughes pitched like crap in his last start and isn’t ready. Carl Pavano is the guy.
If I was a player on that team, regardless of my personal feelings for him, I’d STFU and play baseball.
The other 24 guys need to worry about themselves and play hard behind Pavano on Saturday. That should be the ONLY thing on their minds come Saturday.
I was at the last game he pitched. That was a long time ago.
I’d be shocked if Pavano pitches more than 3 innings and gives up less than 5 runs. He’s thrown 11.1 major league innings in the last 3 years, he’s coming off TJ surgery and he’s not very good to begin with.
jennifer – can you link the newsday piece?
This may not be a bad thing. He’s pitching for a contract. You know some GM will be dumb enough to sign him
Washington and Atlanta.. 2 i know off the top..
At least they’re going out for crabs after he pitches!
[insert your own joke here]
sorry nick, i misread that post, there was like a double negative thing going on there i missed.
wouldnt mind being in cali right about now! (oc or vallejo)
Carl has over 48 hrs notice before he hits the mound, I’m sure there will be some undiscovered injury in that time frame.
There is a reason why the vibe is negative towards Pavano. The guy was signed to a big deal and was expected to pull the weight as a 2 or 3 starter, eat innings and get wins. He has done neither of those things and that is why many don’t like him his teammates included.
Anyone else think the Yankees should just try to get their moneys worth from him and leave him in the game until the final out or he re-injures himself.
What happened to Pavano’s “stiff neck” ?
SJ you got to be kidding me you know how hard it’s going to be for those players to field w/ a straight when he hits the mound, hopefully the mound doesn’t hit back.
Actually, as strange as this season has been, the players are probably immuned to this type of nonsensical display.
On the other hand, no Yankee pitcher seems to have an answer for Baltimore this year, maybe this is Carl’s parting gift to the Yankees, one decent game pitched against a foe that has owned the Yankees this year.
Knights of Columbus that hurts!
Why can’t Gardner pitch he’s earned a spot and is a lefty.
this was fun. time to come in for a landing though. crazy stuff happening down on earth…
Trisha –
Carl Pavano repeatedly refused to pitch through minor discomfort since he signed with this team (bruised butt cheek, etc.). That had a direct impact on our rotation for the past 3-4 years. Talk about rushing Hughes, IPK? Think the fact that Pavano (albeit his TJ surgery was indeed serious) failed to push himself for his team and teammates and show up for a game or two didn’t affect how his teammates feel about him, and directly impact our rotation? If you really think his teammates are going to pat him on the back and thank him for riding in on a white horse, then that’s what’s stupid. This is a Union! Carl has been a bum and a wuss. His failures and ineptitude have cost this team. Read teammate’s quotes from 2006 and 2007 – read what Jeter and Mussina said about this clown. They could give a rat’s.
Again, I’ll be watching some of Sat’s game because I’m interested in how he’s received, not to watch his performance. Frankly, the way the Yankee offense treats Guthrie like Walter Johnson, I don’t think we stand a chance.
But to watch a veteran team react to a player who has been nothing short of a lousy teammate, a crybaby and a major disappointment – that I’ll tune in for. Because as much as he’s disappointed his teammates, he should be as much of a disappointment to the fans, including yourself.
all in all, pavano is a jackass. this team is not making the playoffs, so i’m not particularly interested in “rooting for him” just because he’s wearing the right uniform.
this is an audition for his next contract, a contract he doesn’t deserve.
i hope he gives up 8 runs and blows out his elbow.
jennifer, actually I don’t need to read the article because I actually know who Pavano is and how he has fallen apart on the Yankees time and again.
That said, since the Yankees need him to pitch well I hope for nothing but that. I really don’t give a rat’s backside what he’s done in the past at this point. That’s the past. My desire is to see the Yankees succeed, not work out anger and frustration by reliving past hurt feelings regarding Pavano.
You know it’s the same kind of babyish rubbish I had to read in here about Ponson’s past. I really didn’t care what he did in the past as long as he performed for us in the present. I feel the same about Pavano.
arroyo, washburn, byrd, hughes (struggling)…..if you compare what we’re likely to get from pavano to the other alternatives we’ve been talking about the last couple of weeks, he’s probably the best of the bunch. and he’s already on the 40-man (and the payroll.)..and he’s pitching for a contract.
They are lucky the front office doesn’t do a Billy Beane and just blow it up for the rest of the year because they don’t feel this group has it in them to win this year. As Beane has done with the A’s this season.
That would be the best case scenario for this team. The Yankees front office lacks some foresight that has benefited Beane out in Oakland. He sold high on Mulder,Hudson,Harang, and Haren. Let Zito go. For all their offensive ineptitude, they have remained competetive because of Beane.
If Pavano were pitching in a quiet place like Kansas City he might be able to relax a little on the mound but pitching in Baltimore will be almost the same as pitching in Yankee Stadium. There’s lots of Yankee fans there and it should be a test of his mental toughness.
Perhaps a few of the starting pitchers should tell him not to count on much run support no matter how he pitches.
jay bruce with the sweet swing crushed that one! (they threw it back!)
zambrano hit another one earlier for the cubbies.
The American Idle will be on ESPN radio at 5 PM
Look at like this, He is well rested…(3 seasons well rested) and it could be worse. (Kei Igawa)
David Cone’s Labrum – I KNOW his teammates will root for him to succeed because his success is their success.
Unfortunately many of you haven’t figure out the same thing in terms of your feelings toward the guy.
The past is the past. I root for the here and now.
*figured
Oh, Pete.
I love the screencap of Ron Burgandy.
You are pretty funny.
Anyway, hopefully he will pitch his butt off.
“albeit his TJ surgery was indeed serious”
Except he didn’t actually need it. The Yankees kept trying to get him to try and rehab the elbow but he insisted on getting the surgery. Theres a good chance he didn’t even need surgery to repair the ligament.
michael kay will tell pavano how he always believed in him and fought off the naysayers.
Hate to be a blog whore, but since we’re connecting the Yankees & movies.
http://www.claybuchholzloveslaptops.blogspot.com
guys getting on thier high horse dont seem to mind the drunken clown ponson(who got thrown off his last team) wearing the pinstripes….
It’s still hard to believe that Pavano was the opening day pitcher at the Stadium in 2007.
That gives some indication about the state of the Yankee pitching since then.
Peter – you need to ask this question:
Is there a point when Pavano’s sins may be forgiven? If he goes 6-0 down the stretch and helps bring the Yanks to the playoffs – does that forgive him?
No?
If he pitches in the post season he pitches brilliantly and puts the Yanks in the ALCS again – is he forgiven?
No?
If he pitches them into the World Series – now?
No?
If he helps bring them a WS championship – is he now?
I wonder what everyone thinks. I don’t think success if impossible. I find players like Pavano perform great when their next contract is on the line. A dominant performance down the stretch will help him steal money from another team. I could see that as excellent motivation for him….
“Anyway, hopefully he will pitch his butt off.”
It could happen – literally!!
“all in all, pavano is a jackass. this team is not making the playoffs, so i’m not particularly interested in “rooting for him†just because he’s wearing the right uniform.”
Well I guess if you believe they won’t be in the postseason there would be no reason for you to care how the rest of the season goes anyway! That’s cool.
I’ll root for the guy because I do believe we have a chance to be in the postseason. I would hope I could be mature enough to root for him no matter what since he is a NY Yankee and they are my team.
I can understand every bit of anger toward the craziness of the past. I can’t understand people who don’t know how to put that aside for the good of the team though.
“guys getting on thier high horse dont seem to mind the drunken clown ponson(who got thrown off his last team) wearing the pinstripes….”
Drunk or not, he’s made his starts for us.
“Look at like this, He is well rested…(3 seasons well rested) and it could be worse. (Kei Igawa)”
I’d rather have Igawa starting this game.
Trisha –
Sure, this team wants to win.
But I would be awfully surprised if there weren’t a 3 foot gap between Carl and the rest of his teammates in Camden’s visitor’s dugout Sat afternoon.
Heck, even starting Friday night.
The team is in a tough spot. They want him to perform well, of course. But he’s let them all down, too, many many many times. And therefore, I’m curious to see how they handle it.
Does anyone think Pavano will be shocked when Giradi points to an empty visitor’s bullpen Saturday and tells Pavano to throw 250 pitches if he has to? Four years of hurling to make up for in 5 weeks.
christine – best pavano pun of the day!
Does anyone think Pavano will be shocked when Giradi points to an empty visitor’s bullpen Saturday and tells Pavano to throw 250 pitches if he has to? Four years of hurling to make up for in 5 weeks.
I think Girardi will have to catch him out there.
“guys getting on thier high horse dont seem to mind the drunken clown ponson(who got thrown off his last team) wearing the pinstripes….”
Man on a mission, have you been around these parts? People around here have been BRUTAL about Ponson wearing the pinstripes – even after he kept us in game after game. One bad game was all it took for them to start dumping on him again.
That has actually calmed down a bit because he has really earned his keep. But given the emotional volatility of a lot of the posters here, I guarantee you you will see a total reversion if the guy ends up having a bad outing or two. That’s the way they roll around here. Seriously.
Pavano’s problem is INJURY
he isn’t a bad Pitcher…c’mom
Is there a reason to be ripping Ponson? He’s gone out and pitched every fifth day and overall he’s done pretty well. He’s pitching close to league average which is way more than he’s done in several years. He hasn’t caused any problems in the locker room and he costs peanuts. I was knocking Ponson a lot after his first few starts but since the Angels game he’s been pretty good.
David Cone’s Labrum – I do not disagree with anything you have said. I totally understand that ambivalence.
All I am hoping for is that he does a great job because I want our season to continue. I can’t think of anyone who has been more of a disappointment in a Yankee uniform, truly. The guy has been brutal. I thought Arod was emotionally fragile. This guy makes Arod look like the poster child for the marines.
All of that said, I can forget it all if he comes back and helps us out. While I can’t guarantee that I will wish him well in the future, once he is out of a Yankee uniform, I can guarantee that I will wish him well every day he’s in that uniform. Only because, once again, his success is our success. Nothing more, nothing less.
A year ago I said he’d rehab hard and come back in September so that he could prove himself “healthy” for the next round of idiot suitors. He beat me by a week.
Nobody hates this goldbricking phoney more than I do but he delivered in the post season in ‘03 and with a big contract on the line in ‘04, he pitched his ass off. He also looked real good in his first start as a Yankee against the Blosox in ‘05 before he went on sabbatical.
Pressure doesn’t seem to bother him, showing up seems to be his issue. Answer the bell for the next 6 weeks and all is forgiven.
Man on a mission: no problem. I’m reading/posting on a tiny new handheld so I wouldn’t have been shocked I’d I’d posted an error.
Trisha: I’m shocked, shocked that you would take a shot by name after previusly decrying SJ44 in such stringent terms for responding to earlier posts of yours.
Nonethless, I will chalk it up to nerves on the day of an important Sydney start. In any case, I implore you to follow the sage advice of a poster last night (named ‘trisha’) who urged tolerance and reconciliation.
Man on a mission: no problem. I’m reading/posting on a tiny new handheld so I wouldn’t have been shocked I’d I’d posted an error.
Trisha: I’m shocked, shocked that you would take a shot by name after previusly decrying SJ44 in such stringent terms for responding to earlier posts of yours.
Nonethless, I will chalk it up to nerves on the day of an important Sydney start. In any case, I implore you to follow the sage advice of a poster last night (named ‘trisha’) who urged tolerance and reconciliation.
“Is there a reason to be ripping Ponson?”
Well you can tell from my tagline that I don’t think so!
I think he’s done a great job for us. I only hope, Patrick, that if he ends up at some point pulling up short with a bad game – as happens to all starting pitchers at some point – the boo birds here don’t do an about face and trash him. That would be unfair as far as I’m concerned.
FRITS,
frits can’t find it now, will look later when I have more time.
I think the players will publicly handle Pavano just fine. No one will be pushing him down a flight of stairs or anything.
We to need to win games and we need a starter, he’s has a job to do..
But none of us know what those players actual thoughts regarding Pavano are. Give them some truth serum and it might not be pretty.
It is what it is. We need him so let’s see what happens
Pavano is a joke! Trisha esta loca!
Maybe the Yankees still have the Popemobile laying around so they can safely transport him to Baltimore…
Nick – I was joking. Hence the wink.
Hey Basta, thanks for giving me the opportunity to tell you that I think it is a violation to use foreign language in posts. At least it was on the NYTimes forum. I think I read this here also.
I minored in Spanish in College so have understood every boring Spanish post back in forth between posters. But I think it is kind of rude to do it when it is obvious that not everyone understands the language.
And this wouldn’t be the first time I have been accused of being crazy here. I think you would have to step in line!
Que turno?
You know whats scary? Ponson will probably get a decent contract from some team starved for pitching. Maybe not a multi-year deal but I could see him getting a few million. He has pitched league average so far this year and he’s averaging over 6 ip/start which is pretty valuable.
Wow it took you a minor in Spanish to figure out what “trisha esta loca” means? I haven’t taken a single lesson in spanish and its pretty obvious to me
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If Pavano throws a no-hitter, would the team go crazy and celebrate or just walk off the field in protest?
Though with our luck, the Yanks would get shut-out and the Jays would score on a walk/stolen base/error/wild pitch during the no-hitter.
What the over/under before he gets hurt. I say he pulls a groin muscle putting in his pants fro the game.
Oh, joking. Good one!
(Insert winky emoticon)
I have to say: I never thought I’d see the Idle in Pinstripes again (and still won’t if he get’s shelled/injured in road grays in B’more) & anything short of his winning WS MVP will never earn MY forgiveness. The fact remains that we need arms & we’ve been paying him for 4 Years so run him out there and see how many innings he can eat. I won’t root for him, but in 34 years I’ve never given up until NYY are mathematically eliminated, so in that respect it’s just another ballgame. Still, I’d rather have Aaron Small or Shawn Chacon or anyone else who can catch lightning in a bottle.
We don’t have to like it but pav is the best option right now. The yankees can’t cut off their nose to spite their face. Pav is being paid so lets try to get something from him. And remember he is trying to prove to another team that he can pitch next season. Earning his next contract is his speciality. We don’t have to cheer him and buy Pavano jerseys, but we have to run him out there and get what we can from him.
…this season. i swear. pavano? lord. what next? we gonna haul off and pick up clay buccholz?
The way this season’s gone…I’m just curious to see what this guy has left.
It’s not like a healthy Carl Pavano is nothing more than Kei Igawa … he’s been persona non grata for so long we almost forget that when he was healthy, he was very good pitcher … if he wasnt, he never would have received the contract he did … and … had several other teams besides the Yankees bidding for him when he was FA.
I would venture to guess that Pavano realizes that this lastest chapter might be his last, best, chance to salvage his career at this point.
If he goes out and pitches well … something similar to the way that Sidney Ponson has done for us, then not only will he have helped the Yankees down the stretch, he will help leverage his own career beyond this year … because as of right now, he can only realistically expect to get a minor league contract from another team for 2009. But if he pitches well over the next 6 weeks and dare I say, the playoffs if the Yankees by some miracle make it to October, then lord knows what he might command AND GET as a FA this year.
And if he sucks or gets hurt … then it will be the final straw for all of us … and move on to C.C. Sabathia
OK,
Everyone’s said it all.
What can we do? The American Idle will pitch — what an end to a horrible season. Let’s hope the Yankees can trade him for anything else.
Now that we know that the Yankees have a sub-par farm system, what can be done to invigorate it? Cashman has been trying to collect pitching prospects, OK — is now the time to start recruiting everyday hitting prospects????
Baxter is that you? Bark twice if you’re in Milwaukee?
This website smells of rich mahagony
god help us yankee fans on saturday
@ Brick
You’re just picking out objects from around the room.
Maybe if Pavano wears the Sex Panter? Nevermind….
Here’s even a scarier thought…how many MILLIONS did he make off the 40 Million?
Funny stuff, Peter.
In my opinion, it’s worth considering that Pavano’s injury history, at least at the start, was Joe Torre’s fault.
http://www.boyofsummer.net/2008/08/carl-pavanos-injuries-joe-torres-fault.html
There’s a poll at the end!