Pudge slips to Class B
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 21, 2008 
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Interesting work by Eddie at Detroit Tiger Thoughts. He figured out the free-agent classification system used by MLB, which determines draft-pick compensation.
Pudge Rodriguez has apparently slipped to Class B. That means if the Yankees offer him arbitration and he signs with another team, they would receive a supplemental first-round pick, not the other team’s first-round pick.
The Yankees have a bunch of free agents (Pudge, Pettitte, Moose, Giambi, Abreu, Pavano, Marte) and could theoretically get a pile of draft picks. But they also have to be careful about who they offer arbitration to.
Pudge makes $13 million and may jump at the chance at a raise and another year in pinstripes. Giambi almost certainly would.
Teams sometime have deals with players to decline arbitration. I do not know which players, if any, the Yankees have such an agreement with. For a Type A player, such a deal might limit their market as teams now place more value on draft picks.
If he plays better can he be back to Type A?
By the way, A is a first rounder AND the comp pick.
Farnsworth will def be a Type A.
That trade gets worse and worse.
LOL Farnsy Type A Get a clue kid
Farnsworth’s performance will be worth a Type A and there would be no chance he’d accept arbitration because he could get a multi yr deal on the market. The picks were in the pocket.
Not to mention how well the pen was pitching when they traded him.
Our 2 best pitchers won’t even pitch to Pudge. Moeller couldn’t play twice a week and do the same?
Sigh.
Farnsie is no Erik Threets. Tell ‘em Brando.
Why go after draft picks?
We apparently don’t sign the top ones and don’t take chances on signability players late and pay them. We didn’t have one top 75 prospect this year.
“Why go after draft pick”
because on this blog, younger means you’re better.
Just look at the Rays..
..even though it took them a decade.
If Gagne could get $10 million from a NL team as a horrible Closer then Marte a set-up/closer and a hard throwing lefty should be worth something.Either keep as a 7th guy to Melchon and Rivera next year or trade him.He’s worth something.
Pudge won’t except arbitration from the Yankees no matter how much it is.We got Posada and Molina next year as catchers.And Pettitte and Mussina don’t want Pudge to catch them.
Ivan is not staying as a 3rd catcher.Someone will give him a 2 year contract.Hopefully he’s a type A soon.
Moose would get a sizable raise from arbitration as well. Not sure if he will be type A, he’s having a statistically similar season to 2006, but the league’s SPs are better than they were last year when he was right above the type A cutoff despite his 2007 stats.
What type is Pavano?
“What type is Pavano?”
DL
Power pitchers vs. NYY this season -
Beckett – 3-1, 3.25 ERA (27 IP, 20 Ks)
Brunett – 3-0; 1.63 ERA (22 IP, 24 Ks)
E. Santana – 1-0; 0 ERA (8 IP, 8 Ks)
Halladay – 2-1; 2.05 ERA (22 IP, 14 Ks)
Greinke – 1-1; 1.63 ERA (19.1 IP, 13 Ks)
Sabathia – 0-1; 1.50 ERA (8 IP, 8 Ks)
Kazmir – 1-1; 1.64 ERA (11 IP, 12 Ks)
Lester – 2-0; 1.13 ERA (16 IP, 16 Ks)
Cueto – 0-1; 1.80 ERA (5 IP, 7 Ks)
J. Santana – 1-1; 4.61 ERA (13.2 IP, 13 Ks)
Cabrera – 3-0; 3.05 ERA (20 IP, 9 Ks)
Shields – 0-2; 2.92 ERA (12.1 IP, 11 Ks)
Volquez – 1-0; 2.57 ERA (7 IP, 5 Ks)
C. Lee – 1-0; 0.00 ERA (7 IP, 7 Ks)
Gallagher – 0-0; 3.60 ERA (5 IP, 7 Ks)
Oswalt – 0-1; 4.76 ERA (5 IP, 6 Ks)
McGowen – 0-0; 5.56 ERA
E. Jackson – 1-1; 2.59 ERA (24 IP, 16 Ks)
O. Perez – 2-0; 1.84 ERA (16 IP, 14 Ks)
Guhtrie – 1-1; 2.70 ERA (14 IP, 9 Ks)
Lackey – 0-0; 4.76 ERA (14 IP, 9 Ks)
Peavy – 0-1; 6.75 ERA (4 IP, 4 Ks)
F. Hernandez – 0-1; 9.53 ERA (5.2 IP, 3 Ks)
Garza – 1-0; 0.00 ERA (7 IP, 3 Ks)
Power pitchers vs. NYY in 2007
E. Santana – 0-0; 27.00 ERA
Brunett – 1-0; 0.60 ERA
Halladay – 1-0; 2.38 ERA
Beckett – 2-1; 4.39 ERA
Haren – 1-0; 6.97 ERA
Lackey – 0-0; 2.38 ERA
Cain – 0-1; 9.00 ERA
McGowen – 2-2; 5.25 ERA
Maine – 0-1; 9.00 ERA
Carmona – 0-1; 4.15 ERA
Perez – 2-0; 1.20 ERA
Webb – 0-1; 3.86 ERA
D. Cabrera – 1-3; 6.67 ERA
Greinke – 0-0; 11.05 ERA
Shields – 0-2; 14.46 ERA
Meche (if he counts) – 0-2; 6.75 ERA
Matsuzaka – 2-1; 6.12 ERA
Gutrie – 1-0; 5.29 ERA
E. Jackson – 1-1; 5.87 ERA
Marcum – 0-2; 5.59 ERA
How is Varitek a Type A?
Wait what’s that oh crap an OX is down. That was fun.
How is Varitek a Type A?
yea how is that possible?
“Farnsworth will def be a Type A.That trade gets worse and worse.”
Cashman seem to lack foresight,and made a crude deal.
Varitek is Type A because of the he handles that pitching staff.
/eyeroll
Note from the comments on the Detroit Tigers Thoughts page:
“Great work. What do you think Pudge needs to do the rest of the season to bump up Type A? I guess i really want to know what combination of him improving/Ramon Hernandez doing badly needs to happen?”
“Pudge is 12th in home runs, but is only two behind Kelly Shoppach, who is 9th. He’s only 4 RBI’s behind AJ Pierzynski and 7 behind Jason Varitek. Another area he could quickly gain ground is batting average, where he is within percentage points of Salty and Jamie Burke. Don’t rule out making up ground in OBP, where he is just one point behind Jeff Clement.
In other words, things are tight, and a lot can happen.”
tim boat you want a colon, the word “roll” and then another colon…
The Good news is if pudge stays a B level FA then we don’t have to offer arbritration to get the picks
and forgive me if i’m wrong but i’m almost positive they give the ratings out by your 2 year performance, no way farnsie’s an A he may be a B just cus of this year but not an A
They won’t get any picks for Pudge as they will never offer him arbitration.
V, How do you know what will happen with Pudge? Maybe Cashman made Pudge not being able to accept arbitration part of the deal? Pudge wanted out of Detroit so badly he could have agreed to that. No one knows for sure about any of this.
1. We’re assuming that this guy has really reverse-engineered the Elias rankings.
That remains to be confirmed.
2. No way is Farns a Class A.
3. I posted this on RAB last night, but if Pudge is a very high B FA, he has a higher probability of signing with another team (because the other team doesn’t have to forego a 1st round pick for what’s almost a Class A FA). At the very least, there’s a higher chance he’ll sign for more money.
Conversely, if Pudge is a Class A FA, the chance that he gets signed decreases (and surely the amount of money he gets decreased), and the chance that he accepts arbitration from the Yankees increases.
Now I can think of worse things than having Pudge under contract for next year (both as insurance for Posada and as a trade chip), but maybe the Yanks don’t feel that way.
no way pudge will sign a 1 year contract to play behind posada and molina
Pudge +Boras =free agency
Uh, it’s not an automatic raise.
Exactly, I don’t know why this wasn’t mentioned earlier.
Players not yet eligible for free agency can’t have their salary cut more than a certain percentage, and that applies to arbitration, but once you’re a free agent, the arbitrator decides which of the two salaries is most fair, even if the one he decides is the team’s offer of the minimum.
Pudge signed a deal for more than he was with to go to Detroit as part of Detroit’s efforts to make itself a viable club that Free Agents would want to go to. He would be awarded less by an arbitrator than his current salary. The Yanks would like to have him back as insurance on a 1 yr. deal via arbitration, but he wouldn’t resign with Ny, because he doesn’t want to be the backup, which he will be if he re-signs with us and Jorge is well. He won’t want to take the chance that he will be a backup. Also, this is likely his last opportunity to get a multi-year deal right now on the open market. if he backs up for NY next year, he will not likely get a multiyear deal after that.
Giambi would be awarded less by an arbitrator than the $22 mil he’ll make this year. This is likely his last opportunity to get a multi-year contract and he wouldn’t possibly accept arbitration.
Marte is not a free agent. The club has a 2009 option and will exercise it.
Pettitte is not a free agent. The club has a 2009 option and will likely exercise it unless he retires. Under either scenario, no compensation picks.
Pavano is gone and Ny will not get any picks.
Abreu and Moose are free agents and the Yanks will offer both arbitration or re-sign them. Moose has a few more years in him and will want to try to get 300 wins. The Yanks would be screwed without him this year and will likely resign for a similar amount to what he made this year hoping he offers some stability to the staff. Moose would resign if there is anything close to reasonable offered to him.
Keep in mind the Yanks get an extra pick for each of the draftees that didn’t sign this year, so they get 2 first rounders anyway.
The danger is that if the Yanks sign Texeira and CC Sabathia/Ben Sheets or Manny, they lose first round picks.
Abreu
If you decline an option and offer arbitration, you get draft picks.
Farnsworth is currently below Type B level.