Comments on: It will come down to the starters http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:21:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Matt http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/comment-page-4/#comment-512939 Matt Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:17:17 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/#comment-512939 I was sitting in the scout section in Trenton on Saturday night, and Zambrano was excellent. He kept everything down, and was able to work on both halves with excellent command all night--very un-Zambrano-like. I couldn't read anyone's radar gun, but it looked fast enough to me, and way sharper than the junk the Reading Phillies were tossing up there. I'm no scout, but that looked really impressive. The only thing I wonder is he seemed to through 75-80% fastballs. I took that as odd, and possibly a sign that he is not ready. I was sitting in the scout section in Trenton on Saturday night, and Zambrano was excellent. He kept everything down, and was able to work on both halves with excellent command all night–very un-Zambrano-like. I couldn’t read anyone’s radar gun, but it looked fast enough to me, and way sharper than the junk the Reading Phillies were tossing up there.

I’m no scout, but that looked really impressive. The only thing I wonder is he seemed to through 75-80% fastballs. I took that as odd, and possibly a sign that he is not ready.

]]> By: Paco Dooley http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/comment-page-4/#comment-512378 Paco Dooley Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:20:28 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/#comment-512378 This post made me wonder how Jeff Karstens was doing in Pittsburgh. After his two great starts (and wins), he has lost three in a row and given up 12 runs in 16 innings. Doesn't sound like they lost the next great starter... This post made me wonder how Jeff Karstens was doing in Pittsburgh. After his two great starts (and wins), he has lost three in a row and given up 12 runs in 16 innings. Doesn’t sound like they lost the next great starter…

]]> By: Patrick Bateman http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/comment-page-4/#comment-512353 Patrick Bateman Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:37:01 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/#comment-512353 Pete, I don't know how you can criticize Pavano's velocity and then in the same entry suggest Chase Wright because he only had a bad start in Boston. Pavano's velocity obviously needs to improve, but he does have major league experience and knows how to get batters out. Wright does not. Did you watch his game at the Stadium vs the Indians last year? He was just as bad as he was in the Boston game, except he was lucky. Most of his pitches were outside of the zone. He has the rare Kennedy/Hughes disease where you refuse to throw strikes to major league hitters but have no problem throwing to minor leaguers. Pete, I don’t know how you can criticize Pavano’s velocity and then in the same entry suggest Chase Wright because he only had a bad start in Boston. Pavano’s velocity obviously needs to improve, but he does have major league experience and knows how to get batters out. Wright does not.

Did you watch his game at the Stadium vs the Indians last year? He was just as bad as he was in the Boston game, except he was lucky. Most of his pitches were outside of the zone.

He has the rare Kennedy/Hughes disease where you refuse to throw strikes to major league hitters but have no problem throwing to minor leaguers.

]]> By: jeter- about time http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/comment-page-4/#comment-512342 jeter- about time Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:53:18 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/#comment-512342 Darrel Rasner is great this season when he has at least 5 days of rest. Someone look up the stats. Maybe what Rasner needs is one extra day of rest. Darrel Rasner is great this season when he has at least 5 days of rest. Someone look up the stats. Maybe what Rasner needs is one extra day of rest.

]]> By: David http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/comment-page-4/#comment-512325 David Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:11:43 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/#comment-512325 If only someone like Guardado were available for bullpen help. Oh wait...The Twins got him on a waiver claim for a class A pitcher. I think Cashman has given up on the season. Another good pitcher the Yankees could have claimed goes to a team with a better record. Not only are the Yankees failing to improve, they are allowing the teams in front of them to get better. Did the Phillies give up with 6 weeks to go last season? Did the Rockies? If only someone like Guardado were available for bullpen help. Oh wait…The Twins got him on a waiver claim for a class A pitcher.

I think Cashman has given up on the season. Another good pitcher the Yankees could have claimed goes to a team with a better record. Not only are the Yankees failing to improve, they are allowing the teams in front of them to get better.

Did the Phillies give up with 6 weeks to go last season? Did the Rockies?

]]> By: MooseCall http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/comment-page-4/#comment-512208 MooseCall Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:48:02 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/#comment-512208 I believe that Rasner, Ponson, and an assortment of spot starters (e.g., Giese, Igawa) have started about 35 of the Yanks' 130 games so far this season. That's more than a quarter of the games! I believe that Rasner, Ponson, and an assortment of spot starters (e.g., Giese, Igawa) have started about 35 of the Yanks’ 130 games so far this season. That’s more than a quarter of the games!

]]> By: Wade Bogg's chicken delivery guy http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/comment-page-4/#comment-512207 Wade Bogg's chicken delivery guy Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:46:22 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/#comment-512207 "So I guess you have to ask what is more important, getting batters out or keeping batters from scoring runs?" Tisha - I agree with your above point regarding the importance of allowed runs versus baserunners allowed. However, Ponson's era is 5.46 (significantly *above* league average). He is allowing a lot of baserunners AND a lot of runs. “So I guess you have to ask what is more important, getting batters out or keeping batters from scoring runs?”

Tisha – I agree with your above point regarding the importance of allowed runs versus baserunners allowed. However, Ponson’s era is 5.46 (significantly *above* league average). He is allowing a lot of baserunners AND a lot of runs.

]]> By: Frank Yankees Voice http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/comment-page-4/#comment-512204 Frank Yankees Voice Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:15:57 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/#comment-512204 Give Chase Wright a shot he is 10-2 with a 2.65 era. Zambrano is not the answer, you all know how I feel about Igawa, Aceves cant beat Triple A teams. Lets go with Andy, Moose, Wright, Pavano and Joba/Panson. This year might be lost but do not throw it away with, Zambrano and Igawa. Give Chase Wright a shot he is 10-2 with a 2.65 era. Zambrano is not the answer, you all know how I feel about Igawa, Aceves cant beat Triple A teams. Lets go with Andy, Moose, Wright, Pavano and Joba/Panson. This year might be lost but do not throw it away with, Zambrano and Igawa.

]]> By: David http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/comment-page-3/#comment-512203 David Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:15:14 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/#comment-512203 “I’ll say again, if Paul Byrd is the winning pitcher the game that eliminates the Yankees from the postseason, Cashman should resign.” If he resigned, it would not be because he failed to claim Byrd. It would be because our lineup could not beat Byrd. What is amazing is that he would have been a much better sign for the Yankees than he is for the Sox. Over the last three years, Byrd has an ERA of 3.94 vs. Boston (5 starts, 3-1 record), and an ERA of 6.86 vs. the Yanks (4 starts, 0-3 record). He has a pretty good ERA at both Fenway (3.71) and Yankee Stadium (2.57). All in all he is better than either Rasner or Ponson, and certainly more reliable than Pavano. Wouldn't it have made sense to grab him if only to block Boston? “I’ll say again, if Paul Byrd is the winning pitcher the game that eliminates the Yankees from the postseason, Cashman should resign.”

If he resigned, it would not be because he failed to claim Byrd. It would be because our lineup could not beat Byrd.

What is amazing is that he would have been a much better sign for the Yankees than he is for the Sox. Over the last three years, Byrd has an ERA of 3.94 vs. Boston (5 starts, 3-1 record), and an ERA of 6.86 vs. the Yanks (4 starts, 0-3 record). He has a pretty good ERA at both Fenway (3.71) and Yankee Stadium (2.57). All in all he is better than either Rasner or Ponson, and certainly more reliable than Pavano. Wouldn’t it have made sense to grab him if only to block Boston?

]]> By: Betsy http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/comment-page-3/#comment-512201 Betsy Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:12:35 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/25/it-will-come-down-to-the-starters/#comment-512201 I completely disagree that Phil Hughes didn't earn a spot in the rotation this year. Sheesh - if dominating the minors and then pitching very well in September/October doesn't earn you a shot, then what will? Sending Phil packing to AAA after he basically saved the Yankees season last year would have made no sense and it would not have been right. Would Phil have earned a spot in the rotation in 2009 had he stayed healthy and dominated AAA in 2008? If so, I need that explained to me because at that point all he would have done is to dominate overmatched players. We saw that Phil could pitch and pitch very well in the big leagues when he's right. Ian Kennedy didn't deserve a spot in the rotation, but Phil definitely did. I completely disagree that Phil Hughes didn’t earn a spot in the rotation this year. Sheesh – if dominating the minors and then pitching very well in September/October doesn’t earn you a shot, then what will? Sending Phil packing to AAA after he basically saved the Yankees season last year would have made no sense and it would not have been right. Would Phil have earned a spot in the rotation in 2009 had he stayed healthy and dominated AAA in 2008? If so, I need that explained to me because at that point all he would have done is to dominate overmatched players. We saw that Phil could pitch and pitch very well in the big leagues when he’s right. Ian Kennedy didn’t deserve a spot in the rotation, but Phil definitely did.

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