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The Sox say so long to the Stadium

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 26, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight will be the 771st time the Red Sox will play the Yankees at Yankee Stadium. The Yankees have won 483 of the games and there have been four ties. That doesn’t include 10 games in the ALCS.

If you’re a regular visitor to the Stadium, you know the games against Boston have a different feel. No matter if it’s April or September, seeing the Yankees and Red Sox on the field together is an event. You don’t want to avert your eyes because something is going to happen.

Part of it is the talent. Both teams have always spent money to get the best players. DiMaggio played against Williams. Yaz played against Mantle. Fisk took on Munson and now it’s Ortiz and Beckett against Jeter and Pettitte.

Think of the characters like Reggie, Manny and A-Rod. Now everybody hates Kevin Youkilis just like they used to hate Bill Lee.

Geography dictates the passion to a large degree as well. New York kids go to school in Boston. Boston kids come to New York seeking their place in the world. Boston has the hospitals; New York has the museums. Connecticut sometimes feels like a demilitarized zone between two city-states at war for 100 years, a modern Athens and Sparta.

That’s never going to change. But when the Yankees move across the street, it will be different next season. The new Stadium will have the same dimensions but it will never have the same feel. You won’t be able to lean forward in right field and be fairly sure that J.D. Drew can hear you curse him.

So take a good look these next three days and file it away to tell the grandkids what it was like. Unless the teams play in the ALCS – and that’s unlikely – then these will be the last games Boston plays at Yankee Stadium.

There will be a nice new Stadium next season with nice new luxury suites and nice, dispassionate wealthy people sitting close to the field. The players will be great and you’ll care just as much. But it won’t be the same. How can you sit at an air-conditioned martini bar and build up a good hate for Jon Papelbon?

OK, bad example. But you know what I mean.

Why baseball scheduled Boston’s last visit to the Stadium in August instead of September, I have no idea. But at least these games are important ones. Hopefully the Yankee fans will remember to say thanks to Terry Francona today for how he handled the All-Star Game then start screaming their brains out.

The last game at Yankee Stadium will be Sept. 21, we all know that. But this week feels like a chapter is closing.

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Shameless plugs: I’m going to be on ESPN News at noon and on ESPN’s Outside The Lines later this afternoon around 4 p.m.

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360 Responses to “The Sox say so long to the Stadium”

  1. mel (Let's go Yankees! clap, clap, blah, blah, blah) August 26th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    I don’t care for nostalgia. Just win, baby!

  2. Phelps Phan August 26th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    “Geography dictates the passion to a large degree as well. New York kids go to school in Boston. Boston kids come to New York seeking their place in the world. Boston has the hospitals; New York has the museums. Connecticut sometimes feels like a demilitarized zone between two city-states at war for 100 years, a modern Athens and Sparta.”

    haha HELLA TRUE.

  3. Bill from NJ August 26th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    nice post pete..

  4. Fredo Corleone August 26th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Today’s odds to make the playoffs:

    Boston 86%
    Yankees 5%

    Imagine these numbers on Friday morning should a sweep go down.

  5. saucY August 26th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Boston has hospitals?

  6. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 26th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    My friend from Boston is coming down to visit and go to a game…on Friday.

    I was looking ffor tickets, but alas they’re all too expensive for me.

  7. chr1zisNYY August 26th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    The Stadium is going to be bumping tonight. Wish I was going to be there. GO YANKS!

  8. Ben C August 26th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    headin to all three — hoping to bring a broom thursday cmooooooooon baby

  9. Johnny D August 26th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    “The last game at Yankee Stadium will be Sept. 21, we all know that.”

    What??

  10. ShamWow August 26th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Pete;
    After that post I feel that I have been told that a good friend is terminally ill and I will miss him very much.

  11. RustyJohn August 26th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Can someone explain to me how wealth makes one dispassionate? Is there an income threshold past which a person is no longer a fan just because they can afford good seats? Am I passionate if I earn $45,000/year, but not passionate if I earn $250,000?

  12. Phelps Phan August 26th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    “My friend from Boston is coming down to visit and go to a game…on Friday.

    I was looking ffor tickets, but alas they’re all too expensive for me.”

    I knoowwwwww, im goin down saturday, & i cant find any cheap tickets.

  13. murphydog August 26th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Pete makes a number of great points about the rivalry, including: “The new Stadium will have the same dimensions but it will never have the same feel. You won’t be able to lean forward in right field and be fairly sure that J.D. Drew can hear you curse him.”

    One of my big concerns is how the new stadium will “feel,” will it be more intimate, given the new seating arrangements, or will it be cold and unwelcoming like walking into a Home Depot or other box store? The history – - the feeling that this is the same dirt The Babe played on – - can’t be recaptured. At the same time I can tell you that as a kid I was in the old, pre-renovation stadium a lot, with its obstructed views and other quirks and I have clung to my memories of the players and the games more than the old vs. renovated stadium. I think the same will be true about the Cash Cow Across the Street eventually. It will be the games and the players that make the new place a seamless part of the old tradition.

    I also have to trust that HOK knows what it is doing. Everybody loves The Jake and Oriole Park at Camden Yards, Coors Field, Comerica, Minute Maid…. The list is pretty long.

    Who knows. Maybe JD Drew will hear us even better in the new place.

  14. chris August 26th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    sure

  15. Rebecca--Optimist Prime August 26th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Phelps: My friend’s coming down Friday and we’re going to the game on Ssaturday. We got the tickets over a month ago and they were not cheap.

  16. Pavano Fan For Life August 26th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    I have tickets for tomorrows game, and im sitting over by the LF pole and those seats are going for $500 a piece, I paid $23 a piece (got a good deal).

  17. Bill from NJ August 26th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    $500 a piece? you guys aren’t looking in the right places, and are getting ripped off.

  18. Bill from NJ August 26th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    i can find a decent PAIR of tickets for $160 on craigs, or even some vendors.

  19. Theresa August 26th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Living in central CT, I couldn’t agree more about Pete’s take on CT being like a “demilitarized zone.” It’s crazy. There are so many families with mized allegiances. My parents are Red Sox fans and 5 of their 7 kids became Yankee fans. And I went and married a Red Sox fan! If you go to any school around here and look at what team apparel the kids are wearing, it’s basically 50/50 Yanks and RS, with a couple of Mets thrown in for flavor.

  20. Bill from NJ August 26th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Pavano Fan For Life -

    Sorry read that wrong, but for others, you need to keep looking.

  21. JR August 26th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    That’s the thing I’m worried most about the New Stadium. It looks great, and going to see the Yankees is always fun. But I don’t know that the experience will be the same…just being part of the crowd at Yankee Stadium was fun in its own right. It’s the only place in sports, where I feel like the crowd can affect what happens on the field just through sheer energy.

  22. Phelps Phan August 26th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Rebecca,
    Yea like an idiot i’d thought a month to see and wait it out till they got lower.
    pfft.

    Alllthough, i found some one StubHub pretty cheap, but i think you’ve got to bid so the prices will probley go up
    If that doesn’t work, i was thinking about asking at the stadium, it’s worth a shot right ?

  23. kris August 26th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Boston has the hospitals?

    Really? Yeah, NY hospitals are just awful.

  24. ERâ„¢ (The Final Seasonâ„¢) August 26th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    With the way this season is quickly going down the drain for us, I’m willing to bet that the Sox will sweep the Yanks as their closing act at the Stadium.

  25. Sweep Boston August 26th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Can someone explain to me how wealth makes one dispassionate?

    The more money you make the more you take for granted.

  26. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    I guarantee the Sux will not sweep the Yanks…….

  27. Mike Parch August 26th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Well written Pete. I smell Pulitzer.

  28. Johnny D August 26th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Yanks will take 2/3. I will put money on it.

  29. bphill August 26th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Amen.

  30. real lousy chowdah August 26th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Boston always has and always will see the lurking shadow of NYC hovering over it.
    Boston rolls up its sidewalks when the sun goes down. NYC is the city that never sleeps.
    Only in very recent years has a baseball edge been seen after 86 years of absolute misery with no guarantees of how long it will last.
    A Yankee-Red Sox series was predominently media founded and media fed fueled by the knowledge that many New Englanders have been raised on generations of Yankee hate and envy.

  31. Bronx Jeers August 26th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Here’s hoping the the Sox will be saying good riddance instead of the reflective farewell Pete’s post suggests as they limp out on late Thursday afternoon with their tails tucked between their legs, licking their wounds and trying to figure out how they just got swept in the biggest series of the season to date.

    I’m sure Joba’s chomping on the bit right about now and cursing the medical staff under his breath for keeping him on ice for this series.

  32. GreenBeret7 August 26th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    The new park may not have the same feel, but, give it a few titles and it will begin to feel like home again.

  33. Laura - We need to silence the fat lady! August 26th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    “The last game at Yankee Stadium will be Sept. 21, we all know that.”

    Wow, Pete. You’ve apparently given up already.

    We don’t know when the last game at the stadium will be, but there is a chance it could come in October.

    The Twins have lost 3 straight and are bound to lose more now that they are on the road. I’m not worried about them. Sweeping BOS and taking 2 of 3 from TOR will put us right there. We’ve still got a shot!!!

  34. EricL August 26th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    I love the Yankees. I love the mystique at the stadium. Lets be realistic, though – the place is a dump. It is absolutely the worst sporting arena I have ever been too for any professional sport outside of a Triple AAA baseball game in Nashville. The magnetism is not just the stadium – its the players, the rivalry, the fans, the intensity. These things aren’t erased by just moving over a couple hundred feet. If twenty minute bathroom lines (2 stalls for the women in some areas), cramped corridors, unorganized vending areas, etc., etc. is what makes the Yankees great – then they weren’t that great to begin with. I’m fully aware that the history of the stadium is immense and long, but in the end I feel the stadium plans are essential and absolutely necessary. Its sad to see it go, but almost in the way of seeing a child mature into an adult. This step needed to occur a long time ago.

  35. Nick in SF August 26th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    I just skimmed the previous thread. The debate about whether we would want a team built to go all the way through the WS or one that might squeak into the playoffs and go out in the first round is sort of interesting, but I don’t see what bearing it has on how we, as fans, root for the team tonight and over the course of the rest of this season.

    This current team, on August 26, comes already built. With the exception of a possible Joba return and (hopefully) a replacement for Rasner, this is it, barring some other late callup or waiver trade. I think the team is good enough that it COULD get hot enough to get into the postseason.

    Once you make it in, who knows. Facing Los Angeles of Anaheim in the first round would be daunting, but I don’t see how anyone, deep down, would want to forego October baseball because of a fear of losing. You play to be the last team standing and you don’t stop playing until they make you, right?

    Anyway, in order for the Yankees to make it, they have to be a de facto hot team. We all know the numbers. If we’re not playing well enough to win games in bunches, we don’t have to worry about the Angels in October. So it’s all moot.

  36. RustyJohn August 26th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Really? I think that is a pretty ridiculous statement- because you make more money you take it for granted? So soeone who owns their own business or works 70 or 80 hours a week takes things for granted?

    Oh that’s right- in the fantasy land of class warfare, rich people don’t work.

    Still doesn’t quite clarify how making more money makes one dispassionate….

  37. William Buckner August 26th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Start the season at home in freezing April and end the final season on the road. Final Sox series in August.

    Thank you MLB.

  38. ray (sox fan) August 26th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    I look for a very competitive series, but definitely not a sweep by the Yankees.

    If I am wrong I will come on here after the series and tip my hat to you guys.

  39. Nick in SF August 26th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    The sweep talk is worth about as much as it was before every other series. The only difference now is the calendar and our desperation. Tonight’s game is the most important one — for now.

  40. Sawyer August 26th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Pete,

    Not so fast.

    The last game at Yankee Stadium will be Sept. 21, we all know that. But this week feels like a chapter is closing.

    What if the Yanks and BoSox tie for the Wild Card spot after 162 games? Yanks win coin flip and now you have the making of a classic end to the regular season at Yankee Stadium. The Yankee win and go onto the World Series against the Mets. The World Series goes 7 games. Since the AL has home field the Yankees win Game 7 in the bottom of the 9th.

    Hey it’s possible.

  41. GreenBeret7 August 26th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Sorry, Ray…but a tip of the cap won’t do. Perhaps a case of beer and a fifth of everyone’s favorite liquor. Mine is Chivas Regal, please..75 year old, if you will. email it to me at crustyoldYankeeFan@yahoo.com

  42. saucY August 26th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    “Boston has the hospitals?

    Really? Yeah, NY hospitals are just awful.”

    i guess he had to give them something. NY already has a version of clam chowder and drunks. NY has hospitals too, but they don’t really make the list of tourist attractions…

  43. Nick in SF August 26th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Boston is closer to Maine, that’s something.

  44. ray (sox fan) August 26th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Good post Green Beret. You made me chuckle.

  45. Dave D August 26th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    lol nice

  46. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter. August 26th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    I’m hoping Pete meant the last regular season game because he has to know from reading this forum that we don’t all know that. So maybe he meant regular season.

    I’m a huge sentimentalist and I hate that we’re moving out of the House that Ruth Built. Being highly superstitious I hate it even more! :)

    But the one thing I am sure of is that no matter the venue, it won’t change the feel of the rivalry. I live for that!

  47. G. Love August 26th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    I’m waiting for the inevitable Papelbon quote where he says something akin to “I’d like to personally push the button or drive the bulldozer” in regards to Yankee Stadium.

    You know it’s coming.

    I also think Youkilis the drama queen is going to be sad he can’t stomp around and make faces with no Joba throwing at him this series.

    He’s going to have less things to whine about.

    This is the first time we’ve played the Red Sox with no threat of Manny — it’s going to feel different, especially to the Yankee pitchers who don’t have to deal with that sliding down the ice moment of Ortiz/Ramirez that came up every other inning.

    If the bats are finally waking up here for the last part of the season, there is no way to say with any certainty that 9/21 is our last game in the stadium.

    If we hit, we’ll win.

  48. Yankee Jay August 26th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Nice post Pete, gave me goosebumps, too bad I’m in Seattle and can’t make it to the stadium before it shuts down.

  49. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Here is a blast from 78′

    The Yankees got a major break with a Fourth of July rainout in Boston. The injury-plagued Yankees, who had lost to the Red Sox the previous night, were scrambling to come up with a pitcher, and the Red Sox were on a roll. The rainout was rescheduled for Sept. 7, in what became the first game of the four-game Boston Massacre that created a
    first-place tie. The rainout also helped the team’s spirit because of a rollicking bus ride to the airport. The bus driver, attempting to detour around holiday parade blockades, got hopelessly lost. At one point, trying to drown out the catcalls from the players, he announced, “On your right is a historic Revolutionary War cemetery.” That gave Lou Piniella a chance to zing the aging and ailing Catfish Hunter, his usual sparring partner during mock-insult exchanges on bus rides. “Revolutionary
    War cemetery?” Piniella said. “That must be where Catfish’s arm is buried.”

  50. ray (sox fan) August 26th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Nick in SF
    August 26th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
    “Boston is closer to Maine, that’s something.”

    Nick, I actually live in Maine but don’t mention on here too often because there are some stereotypes about the “backwoods” of Maine.

    But it is actually a decent place to live.

  51. Tank August 26th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    We just need to create new memories across the street.

    Creating a dominant team going into next season is a start.

  52. ANSKY August 26th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Laura –

    In very realistic terms, it could take a season ending series win in Fenway to retroactively prevent Sep 21 from being the last game at the stadium.

    We all hope it’s not the last game at the stadium. Just being realistic.

    As Hank said, NY has a shot. Also, it’s hard to beat the Sox at Fenway but NY’s proven they can do it in the past.

    The drama of that final Fenway series could be anything. It could be a 3-game playoff for the wild card. Or we could be the spoiler for them, or they could be for us. Either team could come out ahead 3-0 or 2-1 while Minnesota still glides into October elsewhere. If Minnesota finishes well and both NY & Boston sputter to the finish, or if either team already has the WC locked up, it could also be a meaningless series.

    It’s starting to look like (has been looking like, actually) the division is Tampa’s to lose but they’re not about to fold like a traditional Red Sox team. Joe Maddon did a great job prepping & leading that team this year (still no excuse for the attitude after Cervelli got injured in spring training) and it looks like them an LAA are the teams to beat this October. Any team can be beat in a post season series if the other team plays well (Go Yanks) but right now it looks good for those two teams.

  53. David August 26th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    Thank you EricL. I was beginning to feel like the only one, but I say Good Riddance.

    I know Yankee Stadium has a tremendous history, and the sorts of games and moments that have taken place there will forever be a part of baseball lore, but the fan experience in that park is somewhere between unpleasant and terrifying. Not being one of the wealthier patrons, I usually sit way up at the top. While the view is always great, the narrow corridors, broken escalators and disgusting bathrooms will not be missed. I also hope the new stadium has a better exit plan than the current zig-zagged ramps, where far too many people are far too crowded, and forced to listen to the obnoxious rantings of the way too drunk “fans” screaming obscenities at players who were not even present at that game, and at fans of any team other than the Yankees.

    The last game I went to, a makeup of the rained out Mets game, the staff had terrible problems scanning tickets, people couldn’t get in, and my pregnant wife was stuck in a shoving crowd screaming “Rush the Gates” 20 minutes into the game. I asked a cop if I could go out to escort her back in, and the cop replied “What’s she doin’ comin’ here if she’s pregnant?” I wish I had grabbed his badge number and asked him if that was Yankee Stadium policy or NYPD, but I was more concerned about her not being trampled.

    Maybe it has been a different experience for those who sit in some of the lower seating areas, and I’m sure it is different for the players, but I won’t shed a tear over this dump being razed.

  54. pat August 26th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    ray
    Any of the Sox walking wounded likely to appear in the Yankees series?

    I heard someone say Lowell might.

  55. aardvark August 26th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    Bill Lee and Jim Bouton are good buddies. They were both good pitchers for a time, and remain good entertainers and good people. To hate either of them based on which uniform they wore is just wrong.

  56. Peter Abraham August 26th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Honestly, some of you … Do I have to explain everything?

    The last REGULAR SEASON game is Sept. 21, we all know that.

    I’m not saying wealthy people lack passion. I’m saying those seats closest to the field will be largely owned by corporations and that those fans will quite often not be committed Yankees fans. They’ll be clients, etc. It’s like that at all the new stadiums.

    Boston’s hospitals (Mass General, Brigham, Childen’s, etc.) are considered the best in the world. I’m not saying New York doesn’t have hospitals or very good ones. Boston has more of them. New York has much more of everything else.

    “The Yankees are playing the Red Sox today. Last time they will play at Yankee Stadium unless the Yankees get in the playoffs. Boston bad, New York good. Go Yankees.”

    How’s that? Simple enough for you?

  57. ANSKY August 26th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Wow. Kevin Duckworth (Portland Trail Blazers) died at 44.

  58. Nick in SF August 26th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Ray, I used to visit Maine every summer when I was a kid, usually Bar Harbor. Does Round Top ice cream still exist? That and the lobsters were my favorites. So I was counting proximity to Maine as a selling point, since Boston is so inferior in so many other ways.

  59. GreenBeret7 August 26th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    My pleasure, Ray. Best of luck to you and good luck with your team…..in 86 years.

  60. ray (sox fan) August 26th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    Pat
    I also heard that Lowell would be playing tonight.

    I don’t think it has happened yet, but there is talk that JD Drew may end up on the DL.

    You probably already know that Beckett is being given a few extra days off so he won’t be pitching this series.

    Tonight if Wakefield is on and his knuckeball has a lot of movement then he can be very tough for 7 innings. On the other hand if the Yankee hitters are patient and wait on those pitches I have seen times where your lineup has crushed Wakefield…so it will be interesting.

  61. Joe from Long Island August 26th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    “Honestly, some of you … Do I have to explain everything?”

    Pete, you sound as aggravated as me when I’m talking to my 21 year-old, literal-minded stepson.

  62. murphydog August 26th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    David:

    I think the discomforts you described have less to do with the structure than with the locale. It may be a little different at the beginning with the new stadium, however. I have noticed that people are more careful and respectful of new subway cars – - for a day or two.

    But, and I say this with all the love of a native son: It’s the Bronx, David. It’s not for the squeamish. Besides, your child will always be able to say he/she was at the Old Stadium thanks to your foresight in getting tickets for a game while your wife was pregnant.

  63. GreenBeret7 August 26th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Wakefield, for years got hammered by the Yanks, and, then, starting in about ’04 through most of ’05, he was a Yankee killer. His luck ran out after that, though.

  64. Bronx Jeers August 26th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Last years late Aug. series

    Yanks sweep Boston

    Aug 28 5-3 / Pettite vs Dice K
    Aug 29 4-3 / Clemens vs Beckett
    Aug 30 5-0- / Wang vs Schilling

  65. 21 August 26th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Joe from LI, being 21 myself i believe you were 21 once too.
    i’m sure its not easy for ya, but with some warmth and care you can get thru to anyone.

  66. Brandon (STFU Micheal Kay !!! Stra COME BACK !) August 26th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    Ray I seriously think the Sox take 2 out of 3 I hope I’m wrong but this offense always finds a way to disappoint and it’s not easy for them to pitcher’s that locate, definitely not the knuckleball and definitely not Lester. There just isn’t any other way to say it. It’s going to be a tough series for us to win.

  67. Fan mail from some flounder... August 26th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    I’m pretty sure JD Drew can’t hear me cursing him from my couch, the one in my personal martini bar. I do it anyway.

    Maybe its the martinis that enhance my desire for a wicked line drive to carom off Papelbon’s noggin into right field to drive in the winning run.

    The players will change but both scenarios will survive the transition to the new stadium and its a good thing that those rich bastids like martinis. ‘Specially those ship builders. Hey, I might even buy a new couch.

  68. gayle August 26th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    My only experience with Maine was driving at 2am from Boston to go to LL Bean. Ok I was in college at BU and this is what you did when you had nothing better to do lets take a road trip to LL Bean lol.

  69. jashell2000 August 26th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    I read this Jim Caple article (interview with Yankee stadium) a few years back when they first broke ground for the new stadium about three years ago or so. It’s a great (and funny) read if you have not read it already. Check it out if have a chance…

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....d=tab3pos2

  70. ANSKY August 26th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Pete

    How soon until someone says “But Pete, the last time the Sox play the Yanks at the stadium in the regular season is THURSDAY, not today”

    I’m just kidding, but I bet someone will seriously say that.

    You’re right though … it’s extremely unlikely that they’ll play each other in the ALCS. Although it’s most likely one of the two teams will make the playoffs, the chances of neither team making the playoffs is better than the chance both of them overtake Tampa AND make it through the first round of the playoffs.

  71. Phelps Phan August 26th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Maybe im crazy, buti seem to think that the Yankees are only 1 or 2 players away from a WS.

    No one agrees. No one ?

  72. Brandon (Can Alex stop squeezing the sh** out of a bat in the tight spots ?) August 26th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Dave Magadan is going to be on the FAN I’m interested to hear his philosophy of proper hitting and what he is preeching to his roster, to think Ron Jackson to Dave Magadan and they haven’t skipped a beat.

  73. sunny615 August 26th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    FaceOff: This it for Yanks-Red Sox?

  74. BBFan August 26th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    “How’s that? Simple enough for you?”

    Yes :) Yes :) Yes :)

  75. murphydog August 26th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    “Maybe im crazy, buti seem to think that the Yankees are only 1 or 2 players away from a WS.

    No one agrees. No one?”

    OK. Yogi Berra and Cy Young

  76. BBFan August 26th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Fearless Prediction :)

    Yanks will sweep Sox.
    Then, Cash will acquire some more cavalry before August 31st to go to the war for WS :)

  77. Fan mail from some flounder... August 26th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Hey Pete,

    Your musing has spawned some good blog banter. Isn’t that what you desire? Are we to just read your post, nod our heads in agreement, then surf on to some other corner of the internet?

    Methinks this new stadium situation has had a profound “thinning” effect on your skin ;>

  78. Phelps Phan August 26th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Murphydog,
    More like CC or any front/middle of the end rotation guy,
    and maybe a starting 1B

  79. ray (sox fan) August 26th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    GreenBeret7
    August 26th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
    “My pleasure, Ray. Best of luck to you and good luck with your team…..in 86 years.”

    Okay, Green Beret, I see how you are, lol. Just for that comment if the Yankees sweep the series I’m not sending you a bottle of your favorite liquor, instead you will be getting a six pack of Old Milwaukee…that has been opened for 86 years!

  80. Sweep Boston August 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Really? I think that is a pretty ridiculous statement- because you make more money you take it for granted?

    I think it’s more ridiculous for someone to forget how many houses they own.

  81. Joe from Long Island August 26th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    21 – Thank you for the parenting advice. I’m sure you speak from a lot of experience.

  82. William Buckner August 26th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Lowell is not playing this week. You heard or read he is rejoining the team, but that’s to continue his rehab. He isn’t eligable until Thursday, but not likely to be back until September.

    Drew is still a questionable as is sean casey.

  83. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    I’ve seen this all before:

    In 78 mid-July we were 14 games out, Goose kept blowing saves, Hunter couldn’t find the strike zone. I won’t remind you of what happened then.

    This is not over, it’s just a struggle.

  84. David August 26th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Kenny Rogers and his “dirty” hand are available…

  85. GreenBeret7 August 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Look, Ray, I’m 59 years old and in 86 years, I’ll have more concerns than how the Yanks and Red Sox are doing. After that, you can win all you want.

    As for the Old Milwaukee beer (opened for 86 years), it has to be better than fresh brewed Sam Adams

  86. jk August 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Hey Pete, Mohegan Sun is the DMZ between NY and Boston. I am heading up there for some “peace talks” over the weekend.

    Lets hope NY can take 2 of 3 and put a dent in Boston’s playoff hopes.

  87. sunny615 August 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    At least the 78 team had an offense of some sort and a decent rotation. Ponson, Rasner and Pavano?? Good luck to us all.

  88. Fan mail from some flounder... August 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    “I think it’s more ridiculous for someone to forget how many houses they own.”

    I think petty jealousy is ridiculous. To have more houses than I can remember… man that would suck. Drinking martinis in one of those luxury boxes at the new stadium does make me envious though.

  89. Brandon (Can Alex stop squeezing the sh** out of a bat in the tight spots ?) August 26th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Lowell is not playing this week. You heard or read he is rejoining the team, but that’s to continue his rehab. He isn’t eligable until Thursday, but not likely to be back until September.

    Drew is still a questionable as is sean casey.

    Well that just guarantees we’ll take 1 game. It’s still going to be tough I mean Pedroia, Youkilis and Ortiz.

  90. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    The only bright spot in 78 for 3/4′s of the season was Guidry.

  91. ANSKY August 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Phelps Phan

    Perhaps a real 1B (who can field and hit better than .250) plus the emergence of a front-line pitcher (or re-emergence of Joba?) could make it happen, but there are dozens of other problems on this team beyond just those two pieces.

    Fixing just a handful of those problems instead could do it too as long as 3 of our best pitchers in top form in October. Those problems aren’t even counting the injuries to Posada, Matsui, Wang, Joba, etc and the other guys who’ve been hurt at various times during the year.

    Pettite & Moose have been looking good but without there being three pitchers in top form for October, there are just too many other problems to expect a WS.

    Ponson could step up. Pavano could step up. They’re both welcome to, and perhaps either has it in him do it, but neither has the rep of being a gamer as we go into the final month of this season. We’d need Joba to never have been hurt but that’s not a possibility anymore.

  92. jennifer August 26th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Did Wakefield make any rehab starts?

  93. sunny615 August 26th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    Does he have to? He throws a 65 mph knuckler. What is there to rehab?

  94. David August 26th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    The writers at ESPN are even more optimistic than the average Yankee fan. I saw this in the game preview:

    “The Yankees come in off an impressive sweep in Baltimore.”

    If by “Impressive” they mean an ugly series where the Yankees came dangerously close to blowing 2 of the games against a last place team, then yes, it was impressive.

  95. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Pedroia, Youkilis and Ortiz. Oh my.

    The Yanks will win this series.

  96. murphydog August 26th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    “More like CC or any front/middle of the end rotation guy,
    and maybe a starting 1B”

    I’ll sign up for that.

  97. Fredo Corleone August 26th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    “Well that just guarantees we’ll take 1 game. It’s still going to be tough I mean Pedroia, Youkilis and Ortiz”

    Bay’s been pretty good too.

  98. ray (sox fan) August 26th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Jennifer
    I could be wrong, but I don’t think that Wakefield did any rehab starts.

  99. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    It doesn’t matter how ugly it was, it was a sweep give them credit…

  100. Brandon (Can Alex stop squeezing the sh** out of a bat in the tight spots ?) August 26th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    The Yanks will win this series.

    Yeh now I know we won’t. You take this team lightly there are the World Champions for godsakes and Jason Bay isn’t a bum.

  101. Bad Scooter August 26th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Brandon – That just shows how little affect a batting coach has on a team.

  102. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    I never said they were not the 07 Champs or that Bay is a bum.

    What I sadi was we will win this series.

  103. jennifer August 26th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Curiously what effect if any would it have on him. If he is ‘stronger’ doesn’t the pitch stay straighter? As opposed to if he is tired? It moves more?

  104. Loweng August 26th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Maine is virtually all backwoods and backwoods types, unless you live in Portland and its metro area (as it were). The coast is nice but the beaches suck other than the awesome Old Orchard and Ogunquit beaches. I lived in Lewiston (sucks) and Bangor(SUCKS)and all I can say is I’m glad I know better now. I’ve lived in Boston and New York as well, and I’ll take Chicago any day.

    Go (White) Sox.

  105. Don Pratt August 26th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    I don’t know of any Yankee fans that hate Kevin Youkilis, am I missing something? What has he done to bother us aside from getting his big head in the way of Joba’s fastball 3 or 4 times.

  106. Brandon (Can Alex stop squeezing the sh** out of a bat in the tight spots ?) August 26th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Scout I’ll believe it when I see it.

  107. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Why bother pulling for them, you never have anything positive to say about them.

  108. Brandon (Can Alex stop squeezing the sh** out of a bat in the tight spots ?) August 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    I don’t know of any Yankee fans that hate Kevin Youkilis, am I missing something? What has he done to bother us aside from getting his big head in the way of Joba’s fastball 3 or 4 times.

    Whine, bitch and moan.

  109. ray (sox fan) August 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Phillies and the Sox are interested in center fielder Mark Kotsay of the Braves who apparently cleared waivers.

  110. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    I’ve seen it before, I felt as hopeless as you feel about them, that’s what makes them the most AWESOME franchise in sports today.

  111. raymagnetic August 26th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Brandon,

    I take it that you won’t be watching the games since you are already sure about the outcome?

  112. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    It’s baseball a long season, you have to try to find the positives.

  113. Dirk from Rockland August 26th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    I was talking to a RS fan this morning and he thinks that Beckett is done for the season. Does anyone know anything about that?

  114. Phelps Phan August 26th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    ” but there are dozens of other problems on this team beyond just those two pieces.”

    Granted, injuries will make anyteam look bad. But i dont see any big gaping holes that we dont have a second option to go to. Although they may not be the best options,its the contracts that were stuck with.

  115. Brandon (Can Alex stop squeezing the sh** out of a bat in the tight spots ?) August 26th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Why bother pulling for them, you never have anything positive to say about them.

    Who said I’m not pulling for them ? I said I’ll believe it when I see it. I’m a realistic fan.

  116. Brandon (Can Alex stop squeezing the sh** out of a bat in the tight spots ?) August 26th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Brandon,

    I take it that you won’t be watching the games since you are already sure about the outcome?

    Ofcourse I will.

  117. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    We just came of a sweep, doesn’t matter how pretty, it’s a sweep of a team that has given us fits this year.

    That’s a positive you can build off of.

  118. ray (sox fan) August 26th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    If Beckett is indeed done for the season I think you would see the Sox immediately picking up Kenny Rogers.

  119. sunny615 August 26th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    August 26th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
    If Beckett is indeed done for the season I think you would see the Sox immediately picking up Kenny Rogers.
    ————
    Hope Theo doesn’t forget to buy some pine tar too…

  120. Fredo Corleone August 26th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    “If Beckett is indeed done for the season I think you would see the Sox immediately picking up Kenny Rogers.”

    He may not get to the Red Sox.

  121. murphydog August 26th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    New Stadium? I don’t need no stinking new stadium.

    My brother just called. I’m watching the game tonight on his new 60″ HiDef, super duper, something or other flatscreen TV with home theater sound, where every blade of grass is as clearly visible as Michael Kay’s forehead sweat (Does he eat a big veal parmigiana hero with a side of spaghetti and wash it down with two cups of hot coffee right before he goes on air?). And we’re not drinking 86 year old, Old Milwaukee. More probably Bud. (Guinness is a little too heavy for baseball).

    Good times.

  122. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Brandon:

    Then keep watching.

  123. RalphieD August 26th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    “With the way this season is quickly going down the drain for us, I’m willing to bet that the Sox will sweep the Yanks as their closing act at the Stadium.”

    you are a disgrace…i hope you say that to yourself when your wearing your ortiz jersey tonight

  124. Nick in SF August 26th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Brandon, you crack me up. You watch this team like a manic depressive sometimes, or at least that’s how you post.

    But I can assure you, the (over)confidence of LoHud posters won’t affect the outcome of the games. So don’t worry if someone here takes Jason Bay too lightly.

  125. the original SP August 26th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Please Pete, what difference does it make if a ticket at the right field wall costs $90 or $180? I’ve been banished to the upper, upper tier or the left field bleachers for the past 3 years because only a fool would pay what their asking these days. The stadium already belongs to the high-rollers and execs. Next season won’t be any different.

  126. Bronx Jeers August 26th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    “I don’t know of any Yankee fans that hate Kevin Youkilis, am I missing something? What has he done to bother us aside from getting his big head in the way of Joba’s fastball 3 or 4 times”

    You must not know many yankee fans if you don’t know one person that dislikes Youklis. What did he do to bother us?

    It bothers us every time his diaphragm expands and contracts and his lungs fill with the very same air we breathe. That’s what he does to bother us. Apparently it also bothers Joba as well.

  127. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    The Yanks are looking for positive’s, they have negative all around, media, fan’s, and so on…

    They just won a series, and people here still complain, give them a chance to build off of it.

    The next step, tonight against our arch rival..

    1 game at a time…

  128. sunny615 August 26th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Rosenthal’s Yankee Offseason makeover

    Interesting article.

  129. ray (sox fan) August 26th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Did you all hear about the nine year old Little League pitcher that has been told he can’t pitch anymore. He has a 40 mph fastball and all the other kids are afraid of him even though he has hit no one.

    The Sox will signing him this offseason!!

  130. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    I haven’t read anyone taken Jason Bay lightly, but don’t get carried away he isn’t Ted Williams.

  131. S.o.S.27(Sending an S.O.S. to whozat,hmmm,raymag) August 26th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    We will sweep this series or the very least take 2 of 3. I dont understand how some of you are already saying we will lose this series knowing we have our pitching set up. The Sox are banged up more than we are and our offense is finally lethal from top to bottom. Let us be 4 games behind at the start of September and ill take my chances on us making it. Minny looks like they have every losing team come Sept. So it will probably be Chisox/Redsox for the wild card. Bring it on!!!

  132. ZMAN7777 August 26th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Let’s hope the bats can replicate their weekend performance against better pitching. I’m expecting some high scoring games. Neither team has good middle relief, so the Yanks need to get to Boston’s pen early.

    I also think Cano will be critical to this series. If he’s on, we stand a good chance.

  133. Bronx Jeers August 26th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Wait. Are you trying to tell me that the players don’t read this blog and then play accordingly?

    It’s been working with the Knicks for years. I tell them they’re a bunch of losers and like they’re on cue, they go out and lose.

  134. the original SP August 26th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    The only time I get within shouting distance of a player on the field is if there is an hour-long rain delay in the late innings of a game…

  135. GreenBeret7 August 26th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Murph, I have one of those TVs…they’re fantastic. the only thing I don’t have is the “Super Duper” features. I like to rough it.

  136. GreenBeret7 August 26th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Murph, I have one of those TVs…they’re fantastic. the only thing I don’t have is the “Super Duper” features. I like to rough it.

  137. ray (sox fan) August 26th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Can we all cheer together for Halladay tonight that he pitches a complete shut out against Tampa Bay?

  138. ZMAN7777 August 26th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    LOL Bronx Cheers. Unfortunately, you could tell the Knicks that they will inherit the earth, and they will still go out and lose!

  139. GreenBeret7 August 26th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Apparently, I’m so proud of it, I posted twice.

  140. Brandon (Can Alex stop squeezing the sh** out of a bat in the tight spots ?) August 26th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Tim Wakefield knuckleball we know how that confuses our batters in tight spots.

    Paul Byrd the 2007 Yankee killer pitches game 2, his opponent Sidney Ponson this game could be a offensive showdown or a spectacular feat of shutting down batters by both Ponson and Byrd

    Jon Lester in 16 IP vs us sports a 1.13 ERA and a 16 K’s to 3 BB ratio

    The Red Sox offense is better than the Yankees. The defense is better than the Yankees, the Yankees have the better BP. If I were to realistically think this one out I got the Red Sox taking 2 out of 3. I could be wrong, I hope I’m wrong but hey who knows. Ok be back later guys.

  141. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Nick in SF:

    Why don’t you just start pulling for the team at candlestick, you have no faith either, why torture yourself with this team, when you think they have no chance..

  142. Peter Rabbit August 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    I’ve had this weird feeling hovering over me all day.
    With this being the last Red Sox series at Yankee Stadium, I’m finally coming to terms with the fact that the Stadium is closing its doors. There’s no more denial, this is it.
    Closing time looms ever more closely with every game we lose. These games are big. Bigger than any other game the Yankees without rings have ever played for this team. They hold the power to keep the doors open for a fitting goodbye in October. Not with these sunny blue August skies as a backdrop.
    If we were to say goodbye, it should be during the cold gray skies of October.

  143. S.o.S.27(Sending an S.O.S. to whozat,hmmm,raymag) August 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    I cant believe that Cano’s rating is 29th in the league. I would think its much better.

    I like how they give props to Elsbury even though he hasnt done crap this year. The expectations of a Yank is that much higher than a Sox.

  144. Brandon (Can Alex stop squeezing the sh** out of a bat in the tight spots ?) August 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    It’s been working with the Knicks for years. I tell them they’re a bunch of losers and like they’re on cue, they go out and lose.

    I doubt the Knicks need your help in knowing that. Stephon Marbury, Isiah Thomas and James Dolan deserve more credit here.

    Ok now I’m gone. :)

  145. GreenBeret7 August 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Personally, I hope Halladay gets waxed and Toronto pulls it out in the 9th inning.

  146. Nick in SF August 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Scout: um, what are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about the team having no chance? Please use quotes.

    (and what team at Candlestick are you talking about? The 49rs?)

  147. saucY August 26th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    i love maine. easily my favorite new england state.

  148. saucY August 26th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    “I like how they give props to Elsbury even though he hasnt done crap this year. ”

    a sox fan in my fantasy league put Ellsbury on the trading block, looking for a SS. the whole league laughed at him :lol:

  149. TKinDC August 26th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    “If Beckett is indeed done for the season I think you would see the Sox immediately picking up Kenny Rogers.”

    You got know when to walk away – know when to RUN!

    Would that at least mean that they stop playing Sweet Caroline? :)

  150. ANSKY August 26th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    GB7

    Hope Halladay gets waxed? Ha. Personally, I hope Youkilis gets waxed down in Chelsea.

    There’s an idea. Maybe doing his chest, back & package all at once (ouch) in the clubhouse right before facing Joba might be what he needs to get his adrenaline rushing enough to face Joba without soiling himself.

  151. Matt August 26th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    before 2004 this is the time of year where the Sox would crumble and the Yankees would pass them. Lets hope for some old time Yankee magic

  152. TKinDC August 26th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    “Tim Wakefield knuckleball we know how that confuses our batters in tight spots.”

    Wakefield has a tidy 6.94 era against us this year. Which is an improvement on last year’s 10.93.

  153. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Nick in SF:

    Just stay positive, Bay hasn’t hit in a pressure filled Play-off type series against the Yanks.

    Byrd’s last outing wasn’t a CY performance.

  154. youngtimer August 26th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    “There will be a nice new Stadium next season with nice new luxury suites and nice, dispassionate wealthy people sitting close to the field.”

    Once again Pete, you are spot on.

  155. Fredo Corleone August 26th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    “The Red Sox offense is better than the Yankees. The defense is better than the Yankees, the Yankees have the better BP.”

    Not sure the offense part of this is true….at least not right now. The difference between Crisp and Cora/Casey as opposed to Drew and Lowell is pretty significant.

  156. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Nick in SF:

    But I can assure you, the (over)confidence of LoHud posters won’t affect the outcome of the games. So don’t worry if someone here takes Jason Bay too lightly.

    Here’s your Quote.

  157. Fredo Corleone August 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    “Just stay positive, Bay hasn’t hit in a pressure filled Play-off type series against the Yanks.”

    When exactly was the last time a Yankees player hit in a pressure filled playoff series against anyone????

  158. ray (sox fan) August 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    TK

    I will certainly grant you that most recently the Yankee line up have had their way with Wakefield.

    But Wake is capable sometimes of pitching a very tough game.

    Just one more note, that as you well know ERA’s don’t tell the whole story. Mo River’a ERA against Boston last year was 7.0 but I think it is fair to say that most Boston players still concede that he is a very dominant closer.

  159. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Nick in SF:

    Doesn’t sound like you give them much of a chance.

  160. CaptnJetes August 26th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    I flew to New York (from Germany) last year specificly to see the Yankees play at the current Stadium for the first and (sadly) only time in my life (Wang started vs. the Mariners in early September). I had a great time, a memory I’ll never forget.

  161. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Fredo Corleone:

    I would say Cano, in the balt series we just played.

  162. Nick in SF August 26th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Scout, I think you misundestood what I said to Brandon. My point was, who cares what someone here says about Jason Bay or what prediction they make?

    Please see my 12:34 post for reference on how postive I am. And please refrain from making inaccurate statements about how I have no faith and don’t think the team has a chance.

  163. #9 (In The Old Sod) August 26th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Hello from Ireland…

    Just wanted to let everyone know – there are more people wearing Yankee hats here than Boston hats.

    That is all… I’m off to the pub!

  164. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Nick in SF:

    Sorry, I though you were piling on, hell there is enough negative to go around.

    We just finally won a series and still not many positive fans in here. Sorry..

  165. TKinDC August 26th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    “Just one more note, that as you well know ERA’s don’t tell the whole story. Mo River’a ERA against Boston last year was 7.0 but I think it is fair to say that most Boston players still concede that he is a very dominant closer.”

    I have spent lots of quality time trying to erase those memories ray :(

    Wake is without question a gamer – but with knuckleballers you just don’t know what you are going to get. But I’d take a start of his over Lester’s any day against the yanks.

  166. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Nick in SF:

    Just read your post, please accept my apologies.

  167. Bronx Jeers August 26th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    “Just wanted to let everyone know – there are more people wearing Yankee hats here than Boston hats.”

    Nice to hear. Tip a pint for us will ya.

  168. Nick in SF August 26th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Scout, it’s ok, you just took the opposite meaning of what I said to Brandon. I’m plenty optimisic, perhaps more so than those who say we HAVE to sweep Boston. We just swept a team that gives us fits and did it on the road. With Rasner and Pavanto starting two games. Not bad.

    And there is no baseball in Candlestick.

  169. Pancho August 26th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Damon, Jeter, Abreu, A-Rod, Giambi, Nady, Matsui, Cano, I-Rod. Every one of these guys has been an all-star and can play at a high level. If they can’t hit against Wake and Byrd to take 2 out of 3 then they truly have mailed it in for the season and there will be little fun in September. As far as the Sox go, assuming Drew is out, they have Ellsbury, Pedroia, Papi, Youkilis, Bay, Coco, Lowrie, Cash (tonight, Varitek tomorrow) and Cora. Pedroia, Papi and Youkilis are clutch and get up for these games so they will put some runs up, but there is no reason that playing at home we should’t win 2 out of 3. After that, they still have to play the Rays 6 times and we have to play the Rays 6 times and them 3 times. There is no reason that we can’t catch them. I even think we can catch the Rays if the pieces fall into place. The Rays still have 6 with us, 6 with Boston, 6 with Toronto and 4 with Minnesota, it’s not a cakewalk, particularly in September. But the bottom line is that we need to be calm, play like we are capable of and hope for a little luck along the way, and the only way to get all three is to take it one at a time. We need to win tonight, then we will see what happens tomorrow.

  170. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Nick in SF:

    I know I was laughing when I wrote it, I didn’t want to offend you, just was making a point about the faith aspect.

  171. Nick in SF August 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    “There is hope and after that there is only faith”

    –Elvis Costello

  172. Fredo Corleone August 26th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    From the Boston Globe. 10 most memorable Red Sox/Yankees games at the Stadium:

    10) Allie Reynold’s 2nd no hitter of the 1951 season as the Yankees beat Boston 8-0 to clinch a tie for the pennant. Last out?? Ted Williams…and Reynolds got him twice as Yogi had dropped a foul pop up before Reynolds got him for real.

    9) Pedro’s 17 K one hitter in 9/99

    8) Bill Rohr near no-no in 4/67

    7) 1976 Brawl Game with Mickey sucker punching Lee and Nettles body slamming him.

    6) April 18 1923 – Ruth hit a 3 run homer to lead the Yanks to a 4-1 win over Boston in the 1st game at Yankee Stadium.

    5) 10/1/1961 – Maris hits #61 in a 1-0 Yankees win.

    4)10/1 and 10/2/1949 – Trailing Boston by one game with 2 to go, the Yankees sweep two by scores of 5-4 and 5-3 to win the pennant

    3)Schilling bloody sock game

    2)Aaron Boone’s blast off Wakefield

    1)Game 7, 2004 ALCS

    Not bad……for a Boston paper.

  173. Scout August 26th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Nick in SF:

    Amen.

  174. Bronx Jeers August 26th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Well it’s good to see that the Scout/Nick conflict has been resolved.

    Anybody else out there besides these two lovebirds?

    Hello… Red Sox/Yankees tonight… big series…. playoff implications…. hello…. ground control to major tom….

  175. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter. August 26th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Hey 9! Pretty cool post.

    We went to Maine a lot when I was a kid and the thing I remember is how huge the blueberries were. The deepest into Maine we ever got was Machias. The ride there felt like forever.

    “The Yankees are playing the Red Sox today. Last time they will play at Yankee Stadium unless the Yankees get in the playoffs. Boston bad, New York good. Go Yankees.”

    :lol:

    Phelps Phan – I am always agreeable to anything that says the Yanks will continue onward!

    Jenn if you are still here – only got to skim posts but saw your name earlier, here are some suggestions about places to stay in Cooperstown. http://www.hiexpress.com; http://www.otesaga.com/. The second one is supposedly where players stay when they are there.

  176. maaaat August 26th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    really nice post, pete. beautiful.

    yanks take all 3 games. i have a feeling things will get interesting.

  177. pat August 26th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Just flipped to YES to see what was on and they’re showing the Jeter into the stands game.

    Damon has the caveman hair, Manny doesn’t have dreds, Millar is bleached blonde and Youkilis has yet to grow the billy goat gruff.

    And they say women change their hair styles alot!

  178. ellen August 26th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Take your protein pills and put your helmet on. . .

  179. Bronx Jeers August 26th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    The 2004 game 7 was just garbage time. Terrible game even from a neutral standpoint. Who was it Kevin Brown and then Vasquez to come in and give up the bomb to Damon. Game over in the 2nd inning. Remember they got a couple of runs of Pedro who was in to mop up late in the game. And where was Pettite that year? And please nobody come back to say he was hurt that year anyway. He hurt his elbow on a check swing. Worst non signing of the post dynasty years. Next would be Vlad as his back was supposed to explode. There’s another potential non signing error coming in the incubator this year.

  180. Pancho August 26th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

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  181. Doreen August 26th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    I do understand the nostalgia for the Stadium itself. But ultimately it is the players who have played there who have created the memories and the history.

    I was watching the Yankee Stadium Yankeeography on YES the other night – or the tail end of it, to be entirely truthful (last half hour or so), and what struck me is that if you give the building too much credit, you really are doing a disservice to the players. Aaron freakin’ Boone hit the homerun, not the ghosts, not the Stadium. Scotty Brosius and Tino Martinez, Chris Chambliss and Reg-gie! had whatever it took to come up big in big spots.

    It’s like saying if your family should move, your family will never be the same in its new home (whether or not the old one is demolished).

    It will be up to the players in the new Stadium to create new memories to add to the great history of the Yankees. And that History doesn’t just disappear because they’re in a new physical building. And it is up to the fans to continue to support the Yankees – no matter where they play.

    Having visited a few of the newer parks in the last several years, there’s a lot to be said for the creature comforts and shiny new paint.

    And anyplace the Yankees hang their hats (caps) will be home!

  182. Doreen August 26th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Oh, one more thing — the Yankees have LOST some big games in that old Stadium, too.

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    At this point, I must defer to John Belushi!!!!

  184. Fredo Corleone August 26th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    “People seem to forget that last year we came up short of the division by two games because Joe didn’t want to play the Angels and so he had us mail it in against Toronto instead of going for it.”

    I think the reason people forget this is because IT NEVER HAPPENED! Yankees were three games out with two games left last year and they won their final 2 games.

    You might be thinking of 2005, when the Yanks mailed in the last day of the season and lost home field to the Angels in the ALDS.

  185. ellen August 26th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

  186. Keith August 26th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

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    All things considered, he’s a veteran that could help. DFA Betemit who can’t help and has no future with the Yankees.

  187. Fredo Corleone August 26th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

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    We are getting into ALL kinds of fiction here.

    My personal memory doesn’t go back that far, but I am pretty sure the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor.

    Please.

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    See above reference to John Belushi.

  193. Pancho August 26th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Actually Fredo, it was with 6 games to go that we were down 2 or so and we basically mailed it in against the Blue Jays at the stadium with Joe saying all the things about the important thing is getting in and the division does not matter, etc., etc. In the end, we lost the division by two games to the Sox, they had 96 wins and we had 94 wins and if Joe had not been so complacent, I think in the last few days of the season we could have won those two games.

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    For purposes of completeness (from http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077975/quotes ):

    D-Day: War’s over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
    Bluto: Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
    Otter: Germans?
    Boon: Forget it, he’s rolling.
    Bluto: And it ain’t over now. ‘Cause when the goin’ gets tough…
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    Bluto: the tough get goin’! Who’s with me? Let’s go!
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    Bluto: What the f*** happened to the Delta I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? “Ooh, we’re afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble.” Well just kiss my a** from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. Wormer, he’s a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer…
    Otter: Dead! Bluto’s right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these b******s. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
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  195. Pancho August 26th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    In typical fashion, we lost to a rookie (Litsch) whom we should have beaten with Pettite giving up three on the other side. It was a game we should not have lost. Later on the bullpen, including Mo in Baltimore, would blow a couple of leads to doom the season for good, but this win would have put us one down with six to play and things could have been different.

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  197. Joey's Poodle August 26th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    My bad.

    The hysteria and desperation were getting so deep around here that I actually thought we had reached the level of bad World War II comparisons.

  198. Fredo Corleone August 26th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Actually Pancho, the Yankees won 10 of their last 14 last season ans three of the losses were in extra innings. Red Sox were 7-7 over those same 14 games. Nothing complacement about the Yankees finish except for the last day when they started Chase Wright.

  199. Fredo Corleone August 26th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    “In typical fashion, we lost to a rookie (Litsch) whom we should have beaten with Pettite giving up three on the other side. It was a game we should not have lost. Later on the bullpen, including Mo in Baltimore, would blow a couple of leads to doom the season for good, but this win would have put us one down with six to play and things could have been different”

    That wasn’t on Torre. The Yankees were playing their full compliment of players in those games. Pettitte got outpitched and Mo blew a save. Those things happen. Yanks were full out til the last day.

  200. Pancho August 26th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    In any case, you heard it here first, the Yankees will go 10 better than the Rays down the stretch and will make the playoffs. The run starts with Pettite tonight. Joba will be back by September 1 and Pavano will earn his keep in September while the team puts up gaudy numbers for the last 30 or so games. You can take it to the bank!

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    Just one last comment for now, regarding that Toronto game. I know the Yanks went 10 of 14 down the stretch and all that, but there are a few games in every season that you just HAVE TO GO OUT and win. The Manager needs to sense them, sense the potential let down and its consequences. For example this year, Girardi should have found a way to win the Geise game in LA, there was not excuse for letting Veras blow that game. After giving up the first homer he should have been taken out. Same with that Toronto game and with tonight’s game. TONIGHT’S game is THE Game. If you can set the tone in the series by winning tonight, then you can win tomorrow without a sense of urgency. Above all, he needs to look at his players in the eyes and say TONIGHT, forget about all the rest.

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  204. David August 26th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

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    I agree, that was a dull game. It was exciting for Red Sox fans because of what it meant, but the game itself was lame. I think it was game 4 and game 6 (or maybe 5??) when Boston had late-inning rallies off of Mo. Those were the exciting/heartbreaking games of the series.

    If the Yankees do manage to scrape into the playoffs, I hope they don’t break their arms patting themselves on the back as they have done the past few years. It seems like they are so satisfied to be there they don’t bring any intensity to the playoff games themselves.

    I agree that Kenny Rogers can’t hurt. If a team in front of the Yankees signs him Cashman should be flayed. THey should block a trade even if they don’t want him.

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