Game 133: Red Sox at Yankees
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- August
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YANKEES (70-62)
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Nady LF
Cano 2B
Matsui DH
Ransom 1B
Molina C
Mussina RHP
RED SOX (76-55)
Ellsbury CF
Pedroia 2B
Ortiz DH
Youkilis 1B
Bay LF
Kotsay RF
Lowrie 3B
Cora SS
Varitek C
Lester LHP
Mike Mussina (16-7, 3.45) vs. the Boston hitters.
Jon Lester (12-5, 3.49) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees start the day 10.5 games out in the division and seven out in the wild card. … The Yankees are 6-8 against Boston this season. … According to Cool Standings, the Yankees have a 2.3 percent shot of making the playoffs. … The Yankees will not take BP today. The players did not have to report until 11:30 a.m.
MOOSE TRACKS: Mike Mussina is 1-2, 5.52 against the Red Sox this season but pitched well in his last start against them, throwing six shutout innings on July 5. This the first of seven possible starts remaining in the season for Mussina as he tries to win 20 games for the first time in his career.
LESTER’S LINE: Lester is 2-0 against the Yankees this season. In 16 innings he has allowed 14 hits, two earned runs, walked three and struck out 16. He is coming off his worst start of the season. Lester lasted 2.1 innings against the Blue Jays on Saturday, giving up seven runs on eight hits.
RUNDOWN: The Yankees are on a pace to score 738 runs. That would be 185 fewer than last season.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 10:27 a.m.: RHP Alfredo Aceves is in the clubhouse and has apparently been called up. No move has been announced. Presumably he will be in the rotation this weekend.
UPDATE, 11:53 a.m.: RHP Dave Robertson was optioned to AAA Scranton. He can return in 10 days or when their season is over. … Aceves is here to pitch in relief but Brian Cashman said they seem him as a starter and that he could start at some point this season.
* * * * * * JOBA CHAMBERLAIN UPDATE, 11:55 a.m. * * * * * *
Joba threw 45 pitches in the bullpen. His next step will be throwing batting practice on Saturday before the game against the Jays. At that point, he could be cleared to pitch in relief in a game.
So it’s posssible he could be in the big leagues sometime next week.
UPDATE, 12:33 p.m.: Here is a good portion of Brian Cashman’s session with the media today. He talked about the state of the team, Alfredo Aceves and some other matters.
UPDATE, 12:39 p.m.: Here is Joe Girardi’s pre-game press conference.
UPDATE, 12:42 p.m.: Alfredo Aceves wanted No. 91 because he was a fan of the Chicago Bulls and Dennis Rodman. “But I’m not nuts,” he said.
Aceves seems like a very personable guy who was thrilled to be here. He has gone from the Mexican League to playing in the majors in less than a year. It’s a nice story.
The Yankees purchased five players from Monterey last winter. Aceves cost them $450,000, of which he received 25 percent.
Cashman also is excited about lefty Manuel Banuelos, who is 4-1 with a 2.57 ERA in the Gulf Coast League.
UPDATE, 1:09 p.m.: It’s 80 degrees at first pitch, a picture-perfect day in the Boogie Down. The stands aren’t quite full yet, but they will be. The Moose going for No. 17.
Enjoy the game. We’ll keep you updated here from time to time.
UPDATE, 1:30 p.m.: The Yankees waste singles by Jeter and Abreu. They are 2 for 17 with RISP in this series with 18 LOB in 19 innings. When you have a chance to get to a pitcher like Lester, you have to take advantage of it.
UPDATE, 1:46 p.m.: Cody Ransom up, pressure on. He’s 2 for 2 with two home runs.
UPDATE, 1:49 p.m.: They hit him. Chickens.
UPDATE, 2:21 p.m.: Moose and Lester are each pitching gems.
Moose: 4 1 0 0 2 3
Lester: 4 3 0 0 0 5
Jason Kidd in the house. No gold medal around his neck, however.
UPDATE, 2:31 p.m.: That HBP of Cora (on a 1-2 pitch) opened up the inning for Boston and now the Yankees trail 2-0.
They could have gotten away with one run but Cano was a indecisive for a split-second on Ellsbury’s grounder and he avoided a double play.
UPDATE, 2:41 p.m.: The countdown lever was pulled by “four long-standing team employees” who were introduced without mention of their title or anything else. The crowd did not seem to notice. Another special moment here at the Stadium.
UPDATE, 2:51 p.m.: Dustin Pedroia just ran on the grass from second to third to avoid being tagged by A-Rod but wasn’t called out. The Yankees complained to no avail
Big spot for Moose to try and keep at 2-0. Two outs, runners at second and third.
UPDATE, 2:54 p.m.: He strikes out Kotsay. Big out. Now the Yankees have to get something going with the top of the order.
UPDATE, 3:06 p.m.: Another big day for Clutch-Rod. 0 for 3, two Ks and a foul pop. He has left four runners on base, two in scoring position.
The crowd booed loud and long.
UPDATE, 3:21 p.m.: Great job by Mike Mussina this afternoon. Seven innings, five hits, two runs, two walks and six strikeouts. But he’s down 2-0.
UPDATE, 3:34 p.m.: Jeter is 3 for 3, Ransom is 1 for 2. The rest of the Yankees are 1 for 19 with seven strikeouts.
UPDATE, 3:36 p.m.: Now hitting for Molina, The Big G. This would be a good spot to put one in the upper deck.
UPDATE, 3:38 p.m.: Out to center works, too. Damn, he crushed that pitch. 2-2 and the Moose is off the hook.
UPDATE, 3:41 p.m.: Moose is done (I believe he was at 113 pitches) and Brian Bruney is on. Pudge is catching and The Big G at first.
UPDATE, 3:58 p.m.: Good job by Girardi in the 8th inning, using his rested relievers to get through the heart of Boston’s order.
Now Terry Francona will try rookie Justin Masterson against A-Rod again. He got Alex to GIDP with a slider on Tuesday night. He’ll be hammering him with sliders again. Masterson is sort of their Joba in that he’ll pitch out of the ‘pen the rest of the season and then start in 2009.
This would be vintage A-Rod, to climb back from a horrid day and hammer the game-winner.
UPDATE, 4:03 p.m.: A-Rod fans on a 3-2 pitch. The crowd is letting him have it.
He’s 2 for 13 in the series with 5 Ks, two GIDPs and one RBI.
UPDATE, 4:13 p.m.: To the bottom of the ninth tied 2-2. Nady, Cano and Matsui due up. Masterson remains on the mound. He’s pretty nasty but somebody could pop one here.
Let’s see … how about Godzilla? Matsui deserves some love for rehabbing and coming back.
UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: Cano can’t bunt. This could be a disaster.
UPDATE, 4:19 p.m.: Like I said, Cano can’t bunt. Missed two then lined to third. It was a rocket but right into the glove of Lowrie.
Here’s Matsui. He’ll win it one way or another.
UPDATE, 4:20 p.m.: Damn, foiled by Terry Francona as Matsui is intentionally walked.
Pudge Rodriguez? He’s due, that’s for sure. But if he doesn’t GIDP, Giambi will win it.
(You get the feeling I want this game over? I’d predict that A-Rod would win it at this point. Well, no. But anybody else.)
UPDATE, 4;25 p.m.: The bases are juiced (no pun intended, really) for Giambi. He will face the very popular Jonathan Papelbon. The Yankee fans are wishing their worthy competitor well.
UPDATE, 4:26 p.m.: OK, let’s look at this. Infield is back, a little shift but not the usual one. Giambi is 1 for 6 against Papelbon with 4 strikeouts.
I say The Big G finds a way.
UPDATE, 4:29 p.m.: He sure did. Good W for the pinstripes. Had to win the last game here against Boston.
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Wait..
I just heard that Carl Pavano was put on waivers…is that true?
A year or two too late, don’t ‘ya think?
The only way we make the playoffs is if Cashman calls up Phil Franchise and he dominates, and our bats decide to hit the freakin ball.
Paulie – Carl Pavano and Cody Ransom were put on waivers according to the NY Post. It would have been hard to put Pavano on waivers sooner since he has always been on the DL!
Teams tend to run all of their players through waivers regardless of who they are. Even Arod, Mo, Jeter, Pettitte have been run through waivers. No one would want to take on their big contracts though and its not like the Yankees would trade them anyway. Teams run everyone, their bench players to their superstars through waivers. Its nothing usual to do.
How old is Aceves ?
The post said that Pavano was put on waivers…my hope is the Mets will pick him up
LOL
why Ransom?
I think Aceves will be 26 this year?
Mo, Jeter and Arod have been put on waivers??? When??
interesting. i guess they figured Aceves can be used in the bullpen?
about time, Ransom gets some playing time and Nady batting 5th.
Im all for putting Giambi on waivers and let a contending team pick him up and bring up Miranda to see what he can for the rest of the season.
I’m happy to hear that they’re giving Aceves a shot – Needless to say there are a lot of question marks going into next year’s rotation.
Thankfully Nady is in the 5 hole today. Another day with Giambi batting 5th would have put me over the edge.
“interesting. i guess they figured Aceves can be used in the bullpen?”
I don’t think so – what is the point of another Cy Razz outing?
Go Moose!
Interesting lineup.
You think were doing what the sox did in 06′after the Boston Massacre, (call up all of our youngins’ & lettin them run wild) ?
Thank the heavens, or maybe he read my post, on the previuos blog.
i bet Robertson is going on the SWB-express, Rasner gets the mop-up role and Aceves is starting on saturday? Assuming its not Britton getting on his train again
What if Teixiera decides to stay in Anaheim? Do they play the whole ‘09 campaign with Miranda? Let’s not get too crazy here. Pavano and Ransom are not Giambi and Abreu.
My question was why put Ransom on waiver’s not why is he in the line-up.
I’m happy with the line-up, even though I know it’s because a lefty is on the mound.
If Cody goes 5-5, and X hits 2 grand slams. Joe G will still put Giambi back at 1st friday.
Hey, Ransom has an OPS of 5.000 this season. I’m all about giving him playing time.
bartonbickle:
I would rather those 2 be the one’s on waiver’s, well it should have been 3, adding Pavano to Jambino and Abreu..
I had to look at the lineup again. I didn’t even realize no Giambi!
Nice job Moron Girardi – take the black hole of suck out of the 5th spot and off 1b after you blow the season.
He’s a real astute manager of talent.
The best part is they’ll win today w/o Giambi and Moron will put him right back into the lineup and the 5 spot again vs. Toronto.
I’m so disgusted with this team. I chose to watch Project Runway instead of the end of the Yanks/Sox last night.
You hear that Stein’s? I’d rather watch a reality show about clothing designers than my favorite sports team in the world.
That’s the season you’re having.
Nice to see Giambi having a day off… maybe more than a day… he is REALLY tired and needs the rest!
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Aceves get a shot as starter over Rasner. Rasner lost his spot already this year, and if it weren’t for Kennedy being that much worse, he would be in the pen.
At this point any move makes sense over trying the same old thing.
Soon we may get to see some young kids getting their chance to strut their stuff when the roster expands.
It’s funny that so many of you want Giambi out of the lineup instead of simply knocked down a spot or two. You all do realize he has an OPS of nearly .900, right?
“I don’t think so – what is the point of another Cy Razz outing?”
perhaps, but i dont think they’d call him up for today and add him to the roster if they didnt have intentions of not making him available to pitch until Saturday.
not that i have a problem with him taking Rasner’s start, but the bullpen could use a fresh arm.
Probably too little too late for Aceves, but at least I’ll be interested to see him pitch. Still, maybe he shouldn’t be shown to the league in a spot that doesn’t matter like this. Whatever.
I read that Alex found a note in his locker after the game. It was from Nady, asking for his mojo back.
randy l,
You made a very interestinh comment in the last thread. Hank had a Freudian slip, no? A vested owner would’ve said, “We sucked.” Kind of a disconnect there between the big guy and the struggling Yankees.
All of you have such misplaced hatred and anger towards this team.
I’d love for someone to name the last team who had 3/5 of their rotation go down and lived to make the postseason. Not to mention the starting catcher, who calls all of the pitches and worked with all the pitchers coming into the season.
Nady is also a Firstbasemen… I was hoping we would utilize that today and give Speedy Gardner a start for the first time in like ten or eleven days..
Put Nady at 1B
Damon to LF
Gardner to CF
RHP Alfredo Aceves is in the clubhouse and has apparently been called up. No move has been announced. Presumably he will be in the rotation this weekend.
Ras to the pen? Britton to SWB? A waiver deal for a reliever? Sidney DFA? The possibilities are endless.
hopefully that means that a Pavano waiver deal is in the works and Aceves gets a crack at the rotation, though I would prefer to see what Chase Wright has to offer
Took Girardi long enough…
SA,
I’m surprised there weren’t any obligatory Giambi in the 5 hole complaints anyway.
“You hear that Stein’s? I’d rather watch a reality show about clothing designers than my favorite sports team in the world.”
no, he didnt hear that, nor does he really care to. sorry.
“Nice job Moron Girardi – take the black hole of suck out of the 5th spot and off 1b after you blow the season.”
and this is just silly, too. who else was going to play 1B?
i undersatnd Giambi’s play was frustrating, but you were either going to sink or swim with Giambi and ARod producing in the middle of the lineup.
if they arent going to drive in runs, this team wasnt going to score, and subsequently win, anyway.
I would like to see Miranda get a shot here. He could be a short term answer at first. Anyone actually see him play, is he a good glove at first?
Good point TurnTwo, unless the plan is dependant on how Mussina does. If he comes out early they may need both Rasner and Aceves to finish the game.
“A vested owner would’ve said, “We sucked.†Kind of a disconnect there between the big guy and the struggling Yankees.”
Along the same lines – how can this guy only go to 2 games at Yankee Stadium? No wonder he isn’t part of the team in his mind.
Of course if they had won the last 2 games it would have been a different story.
I was kind of hoping to see Matsui in the 5th spot today, with Nady and Cano following him. That’s a pretty good 5-7.
If it was my team I’d hit Matsui cleanup but we know Girardi would never do that.
My lineup would be
Damon
Jeter
A Rod
Matsui
Abreu
Nady
Cano
Giambi
Pudge/Molina
bartonbickle,
Ah, the voice of reason gets crushed by the angry mob mentality.
SA,
I’m surprised there weren’t any obligatory Giambi in the 5 hole complaints anyway.
mel-it’s still early. There might be a few complaints that get in before people realize he’s not playing today.
You know who I miss? Even more than Joba?
Wang. Our is he or isn’t he an ace?
Winningest pitcher in the last 3 years. A real anchor for the staff.
mel/bartonbickle:
Giambi doesn’t even get on base in the last 8 games check the stats, he K’s more that he get’s the walks he did earlier in the season. He doesn’t deserve to be in the line-up.
Good move, a little to late and will be short lived once friday gets here.
This is my Line-up
Abreau
Damon
Matsui
Arod
Nady
Jeter
Cano
Giambi
pudge/molina
“I’d love for someone to name the last team who had 3/5 of their rotation go down and lived to make the postseason. Not to mention the starting catcher, who calls all of the pitches and worked with all the pitchers coming into the season.”
Well, it sure as heck wasn’t the crash’N'burn 2006 Red Sox. There are a lot of parallels to what the Yanks are going through this year. Injured aging starters. Struggling rookies. Batting-practice bullpen. Team leader catcher going down. Disastrous August. (Although, I-Rod > Javy Lopez, believe it or not).
Glove Lover, I doubt that the Steibrenners or anybody else cares that you watched a show about a bunch of tulips designing clothes. They and the rest of the civilized world has little to no use for self-proclaimed martyrs.
Timothy Clougher, 8 games is a sample size smaller than Giambi’s testicles.
Mel – I think that the Yankees miss Wang more than we do. I really think that Wang’s imjury was the turning point of the season.
***Steinbrenners***
Its interesting, I am actually looking forward to the September games when we are completely done and young guys are getting a shot.
Guys like Miranda, Aceves, maybe Melancon.
If the Yankees weren’t so worried about messing up a player mentally, they would call up Austin Jackson and see what he’s got.
I’m also very interested to see the level of hustle from a lot of the veterans, especially guys not signed for next year. I think that will give us a true reading on who actually wants to be a Yankee in ‘09, also who has heart and plays with pride, and who doesn’t.
I think the way these last few weeks shake down will paint a pretty clear picture to the Yankees front office about who needs to go and who they should try to retain.
I keep hearing & looking into the similiarities with us & the 2006 red sux.
Does anyone remember what they did to turn around their ship ?
bartonbickle:
I have no idea of his testicle size, I’ll take your word for it.
Wouldn’t read too much into Nady hitting 5th. He’s been hitting 5th the last few times they’ve faced a tough lefty….then the next day Giambi was back in the 5 hole. Not that it matters much anymore this year, but Giambi or Matsui (preferably Matsui) has to be the #5 guy or they have three lefthanders in a row from 6-8 and bullpen management becomes a lot easier for the opposition.
Jim in CT,
outside of the bullpen you are spot on. This year’s bullpen has been more or less the only bright spot. I think a lot, if not all of the credit has to go to Girardi for that.
If Torre still had this team, we would be hovering around or under .500 – kind of like his current team!
“If the Yankees weren’t so worried about messing up a player mentally, they would call up Austin Jackson and see what he’s got. ”
He was on the DL with back issues – does anybody know if he has been reactivated?
“UPDATE, 10:27 p.m.: RHP Alfredo Aceves is in the clubhouse and has apparently been called up. No move has been announced. Presumably he will be in the rotation this weekend”
10:27 p.m. ?????
Timothy,
I was referring to barton’s 10:51 post.
BUT, Jason’s not the only problem. This team has a hundred of them. Solve a fraction of those and you have room for a black hole in the spot. 2 if you play I-rod.
“10:27 p.m. ?????”
Compared to the line-ups with 3 LFs, this one was minor
Phelps Phan,
Ironically, their ship sunk because of injuries to the rotation. Health and desire led them back to the promised land.
It’s about time the Giamboid road the pine.
mel:
I understand but moving Jambino is a start though it will be short lived and not really a move, this has been Joe G’s MO against lefties.
Bartonbickle, to answer your question about teams that lost 3/5th of their rotation and made the plyoffs, try the 2004-2007 Yankees.
mel:
Re-read the post sorry….got it..
Putting Giambi on waivers ? YESSSS ! … in a New York minute. The team that takes him pays only a minimum salary for September and the Yankees the remaining amount of his 2008 contract plus his $5M buyout.
The Yankees get the benefit of seeing a little of what Miranda and Nady can do at 1st base as a small head start to 2009.
So Giambi is a good clubhouse guy. What’s the big deal ? How can that be a determining factor for the rest of this season ?
Mel,
They didn’t make any drastic moves ?
GreenBeret7:
Who was the manager of those teams?
yea in 2007 Manny decided he wanted to play again after taking the last month and a half off in 2006.. oh and Papelbon didn’t get hurt and they got lucky with Okajima
all this BS about the Red Sox making drastic changes after 2006 is highly entertaining
My point don’t tell me manager’s don’t make a difference.
GreenBeret7:
The ‘04 Yankees went into the playoffs with a rotation of Mussina, Lieber, El Duque and Vazquez/Brown. Which of those guys were not in the rotation throughout the season?
The ‘05 team went in with a rotation of Mussina, Johnson, Chacon and Wang. Which of those guys were not in the rotation throughout the season?
The ‘06 team went in with a rotation of Wang, Mussina, Johnson and Wright/Lidle. Which of those guys were not in the rotation throughout the season?
And finally last year’s team (’07) went in with a rotation of Wang, Pettitte, Clemens and Mussina. Which of those guys were not in the rotation throughout the season?
In short, no. You’re wrong. No team has ever lost that much pitching and survived to tell about it.
GreenBeret7,
The only problem with your statement is that you didn’t have the 2008 Rays. It’s always been a 2 (sometimes) 1 horse race.
I really think that the ‘world series or it’s a bust’ mentality has hurt this team.
Instead of building on small victories and successes, they get the self-defeating letdown. They may miss the postseason once, but they won’t miss it twice.
I don’t think you bet against a rotation of Wang and Joba with the best player in all of history batting cleanup!
TK, Jackson is still on the DL as of today.
Timothy Clougher,
Joe Torre would not have won with this team. Not a chance. He would have quit after this season having missed out on all of the performance-laden incentives.
Marchand was just on the radio – he was the one who got to tell Pavano that he was placed on waivers
I wish I could have done that!
I know I am in the minority here, but I believe Abreu needs to be brought back in some capacity (as long as its a reasonable contract).
I understand why people want him gone (age, wall problems, lackadasical attitude) but he leads the team in RBIs. This team cannot hit and you want to let your most productive hitter leave?
He runs well, takes lots of pitches, has a great arm (as he showed a few games ago throwing a strike to home plate). I would be more open to the idea of letting Abreu go if there was another big bat coming this offseason.
But I don’t think they’re going after Tiexiera (I’ve been against it all year). I think the only way they add a big bat is through a trade, which is entirely possible. But as the team stands right now, losing Abreu could only be seen as a negative.
Guys get hurt. We’ve seen Damon and Matsui miss time this year. I don’t think having Nady, Matsui, Damon, Abreu for essentially 3 spots is a bad thing. Injuries happen. Plus Damon can play some center, as can Nady. Maybe one of those guys plays some first base, and Miranda starts against righties. I don’t know. Either way, I think if he’s reasonable in his demands, the Yankees have to bring Abreu back.
bartonbickle:
IMO your wrong we’ll just go on stats, he did it last year..
Fran,
You’re right. They infielder love playing behind Wang. He takes the rock every 5 days. They know that they’ve got a good chance to win. They know what he’s going to do, they’ve got to stay on their toes. Hey baseball’s pretty boring when you’re in the field. Even they can’t dream about pretty girls for 4 hours.
Well, usually it stinks to have a day game against the Sox on a weekday. Today, I’m glad I’m at work.
Ransom is not the future of the Yanks that is why he is on waivers is this real complicated? The guy is 32 if they can get something worthwhile for him, get it, same with Pavano, this is not real complicated.
the yanks are not making the playoffs and need to see what they have for next year, and yes I know Sept. means little, let the guys get a taste of the big stage, why not????
the yanks do not hit good pitching that is the bottom line.. there stars are not stars that is the bottom line whiners…
yea it is Girardi’s fault G love(are you 12) it is not that they cannot hit or pitch but there 5th hitter the overpaid piece of cr-p giambi that some posters here are so stupid they think the yanks should bring him back.
yea….
Miggs (All in for Moose’s quest for 20):
IMO you answered your own question, there were enough negatives to let Bobby go and not enough to keep him.
Timothy Clougher,
Nobody in the rotation was hurt last year save for Carl Pavano. Torre managed the bullpen awfully (Scott Proctor in every situation imaginable) and that’s why they fell into a hole before the ASB.
It’s fine if you think he’s better, he’s got more of a track record than Girardi to be sure. But he never had to deal with the loss of an ace, let alone the loss of two – combined with the loss of the starting catcher.
barton, in 2004, Vazquez went down for a while with arm issues as did Brown and hernandez. In 2005 , Chacon was a mid season pickup along with Small. Wang was brought up in may and was lost for a good part of that season until Septemeber. Last year, Cledmens was a June-July signing 9hardly all season). Mussina was hurt for part of the season, removed from the rotation for ineffectiveness. I’ll stick with my assessment.
Fran -
Wang’s injury a turning point; Joba’s the fall off the cliff.
ESPN radio reporting Pavano was placed on waivers. Why is that news? I thought almost everyone gets placed on waivers to gauge interest?
stuart:
Your statements as usual make no sense, then they have the wrong guy’s on waiver’s, unless they plan on keeping Giambi, Abreu, Ponson, Rasner..
Wednesday’s papers- A-Rod went 0-5 last night!
Thursday papers- the game after A-Rod went 0-5, he hit 2 doubles
Fridays potential story- 2 days after A-Rod went 0-5…….
Did everyone get the memo, A-Rod went 0-5 on Tuesday? Okay, good.
Green Beret,
None of those guys were the aces of their respective staffs.
Wang and Joba were the best starters on the roster and both of them were lost. When Wang went down, Joba took over as the stopper. When Joba went down, this team was doomed.
Doreen,
LOL @ pre-postseason plans. College football starts this week, but my team has the privilege of playing the Gators at the Swamp (at high noon!). So, I’m going to hold off burying my Yanks.
Maybe you can renovate the kitchen again?
Greenberet7 I thought Austin Jackson’s back injury was very minor. How long has he been on the DL?
bartonbickle:
If you read the previous post threads, I gave Joe G all the credit for the BP work, I also said Torre would have done a much better job with this offense, he did it last year.
I also said I don’t think Joe G, is going anywhere because the Yanks bought him in because they want to go young, he is good with “Young Talent”, Torre is much better with veterans especially the one’s he went to battle with for the last 5 yrs.
Barton, in 2004, than Mussina was the lone rotation holdover from 2003. The rotation has been patched together every year since 2003 ended and the bullpen had the same issues since 2002. 2 top bullpen arms. For those that invoke the name of Tanyon Sturtz, you’ve got to be kidding. Quantrill was old and used up before he ever came to NY. Proctor was good for one and a half year.
mel -
Maybe I’ll tackle the bathroom this season!
Jackson went on the DL on August 23rd, so that’s less than a week ago.
Miggs, Jackson just had muscle spasms. He’s only been on the DL 6 days. The minors have a 7 day DL.
Sometimes the performance of the bullpen is contingent upon how they’re used. Torre’s rationale was “find two guys that I’ll rely on every time we need to bring in a reliever and ignore everyone else who hasn’t gained my almighty trust.” It was a joke. Girardi has mixed and matched and put together a solid pen. I hope it holds up for next year.
Marchand was just on the radio – he was the one who got to tell Pavano that he was placed on waivers
Hahahahahahaha
This same line-up we have used with Giambi, was the line-up that Torre started the 07 season with remember the start of 07. In May 07 he moved Giambi out of the 5th spot and only used him sometimes as a DH in the 7th hole.
Torre made the move in May 07.
If they are bringing up the youngsters and indirectly conceding the season, that may not be a bad thing. Showcase some of this young talent that could possibly be used to land someone to fill one of the many holes the team will still have in 2009.
GreenBeret7
It’s so true that this rotation has been a work in progress since 2003. It’s something we tend to forget. It’s like there was a mass exodus and then everyone brought here didn’t work out. Although I think if they stuck with Vazquez for another season, that might have ended up okay.
Torre did not give Giambi a defenseless 1st baseman, the full time 1st base spot and a guaranteed spot in the line-up.
Hoping our rotation would look like this in 09:
Sabathia/Sheets
Wang
Joba
Mussina
Pettite
Hell, If we can get both Sheets And Sabathia, Then Pettite can retire?
Damon, Jeter, Abreau need to start hitting back to back.
Far to many times this year one of the 3 gets a hit and the other two get out. We need rally’s but this line-up dose not do that
Timothy Clougher,
Giambi had a bad foot for almost all of 2007, starting in May. Torre didn’t push a magic button, he reacted to a banged up player. Giambi then spent about 3-4 months on the DL.
Hey, why jump on Barton? You guys brought up 2004-2007, not him. C’mon guys, play nicely.
Much easier to make the playoffs when there’s only 2 good teams. See: Angels and the Central division. No one, not even the Rays expected them to be this good. They’re the REAL wildcard this year.
barton, those pitchers were the aces of the Yankee staffs because that’s all NYY had. That made them staff aces…just that they wouldn’t have been aces on other teams.
Mel, barton is the one that asked for a team that lost 3/5th of their rotation and made the playoffs. All I said was look at the Yanks rotation from 2004-2007.
GB7–Why are your political and homophobic tendencies you choose to bring here are not surprising, sunshine?
timothy clougher you are just a ill informed hysterical grab at straws no nothing about baseball poster.
that is what you are.
if they can get anything for ; ransom, pavano, and others do it.. even a guy of your limited intellect should be able to figure that out, but I usually have more confidence in mankind then someone like yourself deserves.
You are just a FOOL..
GreenBeret,
If the ‘04 team had an ace, it was undoubtably Mussina. He made 27 starts that year. I guess that’s missing some time, so I’ll give you that.
The ‘05 team’s ace was Randy Johnson and he did not miss any time. He did totally crap the bed in game 3 of the ALDS, but that’s something else.
The ‘06 team didn’t really have a singular ace, but their best pitcher was probably Wang, who did not miss any time.
Last year’s ace was Wang again, and he did not miss any time.
Basically what I’m saying is that no Yankee team has lost their best two starters, let alone supplemental pitching and STARTING catching and lived to tell about it. It’s not just that they lost their two best pitchers, they lost the guy that kept the staff in check (Posada). A few weeks ago I would have said making the playoffs would be a feat. Now it’s going to take a miracle.
Green Beret,
But there are many other factors involved. The East wasn’t as strong back then. Even the bottom 3 teams are very, very tough this year. You’ve got the O’s putting a beating on good teams nowadays. When’d you ever see that? You’ve got the Jays who, when healthy, could have the best rotation in all of baseball.
I think the Yankees will be better prepared, especially if the world doesn’t end if they miss the postseason. Breaking that streak just might help.
Root extra for me today.
Work cutting into my Yankee time until about 3 so I’ll be counting on your comments to hit the highlights of what happened when I get back.
Go Moose! Go Yanks!
stuart:
Go take care of your shildren, leave the blogging to grown ups.
Not in any order. 2009 line up
Jeter
Posada
Cano
Matsui
ARod
Abreu
Nady
Texiera
Jackson
Pitchers
Sabathia
Wang
Burnett
Chamberlain
Hughes.
Doreen, it wasn’t just the rotation turnovers, but the bullpens though, for the most part also turned over every year. Rivera was the one constant. Gordon for two years, Proctor for one full year and two partials, Quantrill for two years, after he was worn out and broken down by the Blue Jays and Dodgers. Farnsworth was brought in and for two years, he was ineffective. Last year, it settled down a little, but, it was trial and error. This year, the been has for the most part, been pretty good. NYY finally has started getting better pieces to fill the gaps.
LOL. I wonder if Kill’s taking care of his schilldren.
That is a GREAT lineup…and IF and WHEN they put the Giambi Slug back in the lineup, he TOO needs to bat 8th….5 spot needs to be either Nady or Matsui and ANY LINEUP that JOE the MORON puts out there with Giambi as the 5 batter is a recipe for DISASTER….IMHO….
“Not in any order. 2009 line up”
Terrible..
I actually agree with Stuart, but he could have said it a little nicer.
I actually took a half a day out of work so I could watch the game. Oh well, I have plenty of vacation time I have to use up.
Can someone please explain wavers to me. Why do you put someone on wavers exactly? And how can Ransom be playing and on wavers?
Thanks.
panayioti,
Nice wishlist there.
The Yankees need to bring the recruits, err prospects, errr free agents to see the new stadium.
Have Jeter line up some tour guides to show the free agents the new place.
In CC’s case just have a Vegas-style buffet ready.
Anyone have an idea how much Oliver Perez is gonna ask for this off-season ?
IT’S A MIRACLE, GIAMBI IS OUT OF THE LINEUP AND THE KID WHO DOES NOTHING BUT HIT HR’S IS IN IT. OH AND THE GUY WHO IS MASHING THE BALL IS MOVED UP TO 5TH. GIRARDI, WAY TO WAIT TO MAKE THE RIGHT MOVES AFTER THE SEASON IS LOST.
GB7 -
Yup. And as good as the bp was this season, for the most part anyway, next year is still a roll of the dice. BPs are the most volatile part of a baseball team, I think.
Mel—- I’ll be in The Swamp to watch your Warriors take on Tim Tebow and company. I think they’re going to get the Poi kicked out of them.
Miggs— Can you define a “reasonable” contract for a 34-year old rightfielder who is below average defensively albeit with an above average arm, hits for little power and no longer is efficient stealing bases? I would offer him arbitration, but that’s it.
Yeah I agree that it’s tough that Girardi waited this long to switch Giambi either down or out of the lineup.
Can anyone send me the link that show Abreu’s wall non-play last night? I turned the game off to go do something more fun, so while i was on the toilet dropping a deuce, they were giving up 7 runs in the 8th.
Glove Lover, when do I start political dialogue? Because I called you a martyr? That’s because that’s what you’re trying to pass yourself off as. “Look at me. I’m sacrificing myself.” Maybe the other comment was a little uncalled for, but, you brought in the opening about being reduced to watching clothes designers, not me.
Ransom is on waivers because he is not in the teams long term plans so they might as well see what they can get for him. They can always pull him back if they can’t work out a deal.
As for Aceves, it’s about time. I have tickets on Saturday so I’m looking forward to seeing him.
i like the idea of aceves pitching in relief for now
much better than robertson, thats for sure.
“Can someone please explain wavers to me. Why do you put someone on wavers exactly? And how can Ransom be playing and on wavers?”
Teams usually put most of their players on waivers. The way I understand it is a player is placed on waivers and every team in the majors has a chance to claim him. If a team claims him off waivers the Yankees can either try to cut a deal or pull the player back from waivers. Also if a player is claimed the Yankees can allow the claiming team to just take the player. Remember Manny Ramirez was placed on waivers a few years ago and no team claimed him? If the players passes through waivers without anyone claiming him the Yankees can then trade him I believe.
Trisha its funny you said that. I took tomorrow off to make it a 4 day holiday weekend. When I saw the Yankees schedule I added another half day (this afternoon) to my weekend.
Well at least I can be productive while watching the game.
stuart, do you have to be so nasty in your posts? I realize other people are also not nice to you sometimes, but I don’t get why people can’t respond to other peoples’ posts without having to use the word “moron” “fool” “idiot” and the like.
You may not agree with someone’s opinion but that person has the right to express it. And since we are all here with opinions, nothing’s to say that because you disagree that someone else’s opinion may not indeed be the right one.
It’s unfortunate that people can’t show respect to each other despite their differences.
oh just read Pete’s note, I guess I’ll be stuck seeing Rasner on Saturday.
really, who cares
does anyone sense a streak coming? i don’t
at this point, this team would be lucky to go .500 over the rest of the season
bos wins 5-1
Pete,
Be sure to ask Girardi why he took Giambi out of the lineup after the season is over. Girardi is a day late and a dollar short.
Mel, gotta agree that this is the first time in probably 10 years that the East has been this stong. It’s alsways been an offene driven division and now, it’s more driven by pitching. NYY has been caught short, due, in large part because of where they have been drafting for years…near the bottom, not to mention that it was generally the bottom of the 2nd round, because of FA signings. It’s going to take another two years before the real fruits of the drafts start rippening…including the position players.
Trisha:
Don’t waste your breathe.
Oh please, people. ITS NOT INJURIES.
The team, overall, from every angle of the game, has played like crap this season. With or without injuries, the team didn’t play up to play-off standards.
Our starting pitching, while injured, has kept us in enough games to be in a much better position than we are in. It’s the offense that has consistently been inconsistent and failed us miserably.
Why are they pushing for Chamberlain to pitch again this year…shut him down and look towards next year.
The Yankees should do Matsui a favor and let him go have his surgery now. The season is over. He did what he could, but it’s a lost ’cause so he should start prepping for next season.
hey lets take a vote would you like to see Pavano pitch or Ponson i would have rather put Ponson on waivers he gets guys on every inning
Stuart and others:
If you want to personally attack each other, do it via e-mail. This is not the place. Nobody is interested in people flinging insults at each other.
Thanks
Ransom is on waivers because he didn’t hit his home runs far enough. I’m sure the Yankees are trying to sell high hoping some playoff bound team might think they guy might have some late-season heat in his bat and maybe trade an A ball prospect for him.
Because Joba pitching again this year will help his innings limits for next year. Even then, he still isin’t going to reach them and they have to get creative again next year in terms of how to start him.
Robertson will be a good pitcher. he has given up I think 3 HR’s the first 3 of his pro career at any level..
He either looks real good or get’s torched no middle ground…
the bronx bombers have scored 3 runs or less in 56 games this year 42 % of there games, that # is staggering..Even Tinouthy Clougher may be able to figure out that this # is bad.
I assume Girardi cannot play that sack of cr-p Giambi today because that overweight, brittle, piece of cr-p, may pass out from playing like 12 games in a row especially a day game after a night game, Giambi party some more you delinquent.. Hell why give your employer there moneys worth!!!!! Fans give him a pass because he says the right things, how about do the right thing like get in shape and play up to your contract.. 250 BA and 202 with RISP, GIambi stinks… He should have 100 RBI’s already he has in the low 70’s. He is what many of the poster here like; a overpriced, big talking and underperforming old man…Giambi because of his physical issues and fielding prowess cause the Yanks to have 3 addtl. players on the roster…..
86w183 Abreu leads the team in RBIs, doubles, and hits. He is 2nd in runs scored and just behind A Rod for the lead in total bases. He is 2nd on the team in walks and 3rd in steals.
Look I know his weaknesses just like anyone else, but explain to me where his production comes from if he’s gone?
Just give me an answer. Offer him arbitration? What a joke.
They aren’t signing Teixiera and unless they make a huge trade there is no big bat coming. Let Giambi go. Let Pudge go. Let Pavano go. Keep Abreu.
Patrick, you have it right. It’s just something they have to go through after the trade deadline.
In addition to a fron of te rotation guy, i’d like to see the yanks add a 4/5th starter.
Maybe Jon Garland, Odalis Perez, Brad Penny if the dodgers quit on him. All these guys have talent,the’ve just been inconsistent, which is why i think it makes sense to put them in a situation where they don’t have as much pressure.Like being a 4th or 5th starter, giving Phil extra time for “seasoning”. & if they tank, we call up philly. Idk, i think it makes sence.
“Why are they pushing for Chamberlain to pitch again this year…shut him down and look towards next year.”
Maybe so he can get more innings? He has pitched less innings this season than last year. He will probably be on a tight limit next year too and won’t be able to start for the whole season.
Trisha, the main reason that teams put almost all of their players on waivers at one time or another is to see if there are any teams interested in them, some out of idle curiosity and others with the purpose of trying to make a deal. The Yanks back in the 50s and 60s even put Mantle and Ford on waivers, though George Weiss (GM) did this as a scare tactic to keep other players in line.
season is over we might as well bring up our young talent like brackman, montero, betances, romine, jackson, etc. to see what we have for next year
Miggs, I think I am going slowly into the acceptance phase in the 5 stages of grief! I find that I actually don’t tune in to BP or the pregame much anymore. I used to watch that stuff like a religion.
I still wonder what Girardi took so long to arabesque Giambi. How could he not get it? I don’t even mean permanently out of the lineup, I mean just moving him somewhere else and out of the 5 hole.
Abreu makes tons of outs on the bases and he can’t field worth a damn. Where does his production come from? Nady, Posada, Matsui. Next year barring injuries, all three will be with the Yankees for an entire season. The only way I want Abreu on this team is as a DH and Matsui is already signed for that role. If you re-sign Abreu there would be only 3 spots (LF, RF, DH) for 4 guys (Abreu, Matsui, Damon, Nady). Its time for Abreu to go.
stuart:
I did to bad Giradi didn’t.
If we miss out on Sabathia, I want Sheets AND Brunett. Throw both against the wall and see which one sticks. Need power pitching to shut down the Red Sox.
“Basically what I’m saying is that no Yankee team has lost their best two starters, let alone supplemental pitching and STARTING catching and lived to tell about it.”
i dont think its necesarily fair to include joba in there considering he didnt start the season as a starter. 3/5 of the rotation from the start of the season were lost though. wang due to injury. id call the other 2 (hughes-kennedy)more poor planning on relying on unproven rookies as the yanks probably would have done worse had they not been removed from the rotation.
Yes, it is sort of a wish list but with the revenue they will generate off of the higher priced seats, some of those signing could be possible, assuming the players want to come there.
I do think the Yankees will end up with Burnett if he opts out. Just a gut feeling.
I am not big on Tex being signed but there are not many options out there. Miranda has been playing well for Scranton. Maybe he should be called up and given the month of September to get some AB’s. Otherwise, Tex might be the option. Broussard is not really an option.
One of the biggest issues facing the Yankees is that their drafts over the past 5-6 yrs have not yielded many position players. Right now at AAA or AA there are a few good outfielders, some pitching but no ready talent to step into 1b or SS or CF or C.
They have 3b and 2b locked up pretty well. SS is locked up but that position will become more of a concern next year as Jeter gets another year older.
Catcher is the other position that is of concern. There is no guarantee that Posada will be able to do much more than DH. Pudge has not worked out as well as thought and Molina cannot play everyday.
CF is still a mystery. Cabrera has not worked out. Christian has not worked out. Jackson is not ready. Gardner is decent defensively but can the Yankees survive with a .260-.270 hitting CF. Probably not.
What tons of outs on the bases does Abreu make,Patrick?
“season is over we might as well bring up our young talent like brackman, montero, betances, romine, jackson, etc. to see what we have for next year”
Hmm…. Brackman hasn’t pitched this season, he is coming off appendicitis and Tommy John surgery. Montero, Betances and Romine are in low A ball and Jackson is in AA. You won’t see any of these guys until 2011 at the earliest (except Jackson).
“What tons of outs on the bases does Abreu make,Patrick?”
He gets caught stealing quite a bit if you haven’t noticed.
Thanks for the info on waivers (spelling now correct).
For the record, though I have said it before, I am for keeping Bobby Abreu. Maybe someone could work with him on understanding who captains the outfield, or whatever. But other than that I think the guy is great for the team and still a very very good player.
dan – Maybe we can bring up some little leaguers too!
Patrick, do you mean like Jeter last year when he was 15-8 in stealing bases? Did you carp on that issue? Did you demand that Jeter be traded after last season?
Patrick like I said earlier (if you would take the time to read the thread) yes its 4 guys for 3 spots. Matsui and Damon both hit the DL this year and will be one year older. Odds of them both being healthy all year are slim
Also, Nady and Damon can play some CF, and maybe you use Nady at first against lefties (Miranda vs. righties).
No need to jump down my throat. And you still haven’t told me where that production is coming from. You just listed off names that are already here so not sure what your point was.
“For the record, though I have said it before, I am for keeping Bobby Abreu.”
Same here. Our bench sucks. If they want to put Nady in RF, keep Bobby for the bench or the DH spot. They are going to have to shuffle between him and Matsui because Matsui probably can’t play the field anymore. Damon gets Left, Nady in RF and some mystery person in CF.
Patrick he gets caught because they send him on hit and runs a lot. He still is 3rd on the team in steals.
Frankly, he makes a lot less “outs” than the majority of the rest of the team.
“Also, Nady and Damon can play some CF, and maybe you use Nady at first against lefties (Miranda vs. righties).”
Nady cannot play CF. He said it himself. He’s not fast enough.
Marchand was just on the radio – he was the one who got to tell Pavano that he was placed on waivers I wish I could have done that!
I wanted to do that
You have a logjam of guys in 2009 that are 35 years and older:
Jeter, Damon, Posada, Giambi, Abreu and Matsui. You can’t bring them all back. That’s one of the problems with this team. Its OLD.
You can’t form emotional attachments to guys who are at or past their prime years. If these were so good, the team wouldn’t be so bad.
If Bobby Abreu is a Type A free agent, the two draft picks are worth more than what he brings in return. Especially since he’s going to be 36 next year and you have a guy in place to play RF next year in Nady.
That’s how you begin rebuilding a team. By getting younger. Not by having a team full of glorified DH’s.
Giambi? No chance he is back and rightfully so.
The problem is, one of Damon or Matsui has to be dealt (if possible) and you have to try and get back a player or two that can help you. Bringing them both back could clog up the roster.
Posada is a big question mark next year coming off serious shoulder surgery. Can he catch? If not, is he the DH, first baseman?
With 3 years to go on his deal, he’s coming back. Meaning, other guys have to go.
Trisha,
Every player in the majors, even guys like Pujols, Arod, etc, are put on waivers during the season. If a waiver claim is made on the player, the player is either pulled back from waivers (stays with his team), is let go (the team making the claim assumes the player and his contract) or the players current team and claiming deal attempt to work out a trade for the player.
In most cases, players are pulled back. In many cases, teams try to bum rush the waiver wire (putting everybody on it) in an attempt to slip a guy or two through waivers.
These days, teams watch the waiver wire 24/7, making bum rushes on it tougher to do.
i dont know which will be more upsetting:
-that this lineup wont change anything and we will continue to suck
-that with this lineup we go on some sort of winning streak but as of now its too little to late
what do you guys think?
Maybe this is a sign of the times to come: the post-performance enhanced ERA (no roids, greenies, ect), were a team like Tampa couldn’t afford the high dollar masher’s, and settled for lot’s of young farm talent, that played fundamental baseball. Traded a guy after a good year for more talent.
Hey Trisha – I feel like you do about the games, etc. After these last 2 games I didn’t watch the post game either. Couldn’t bear to see the “highlights” again and hear how bleak things are with the team.
But at least if the Yanks win today you will enjoy your afternoon off.
There’s nothing wrong with Robertson or any other bullpen member other than overwork because the starters haven’t gone far enough into the game.
By the same token if the Yankee offense had put up a few more runs earlier last evening it could/would have allowed Ponson to go further into the game.
Robertson be a vital cog in the bullpen of 2009.
SJ44:
What if the Yanks had put say Abreu on waiver’s and someone claimed him, does that means they lose the draft picks and only get, what they got in the trade?
I wouldn’t get so excited about Giambi’s absence from the lineup vs. a lefty. I bet he’s back in ol’ #5 tomorrow.
SJ44, have you followed Miranda much. Whiff brought him up as a replacement at 1b. I have no idea if he is near ready or not.
Trisha, keeping abreu is a must. He, along with Cano would be the on semblance of left handed power with the Yanks in a park built for left handed hitters. He still adds speed, decent defense, an arm in right, and he makes the pitchers throw a ton of pitches. He’s steady, and at time, spectacular. He won’t carry a team for months, but, he can for a week at a time, a few times a year. The problem is, people want to see him run into walls, just like people like demolition derbies…to see the wrecks. There’s a huge reason that he’s reluctant to challenge the walls. Back in 1997, he suffered a badly seperated left shoulder crasking into a wall, and, it left it weak and susopeotable to seperations again. It almost ruined his career and that’s why Houston left him open to the expansion draft. Tampa chose him and then traded him for a 2nd rate shortstop.
“What if the Yanks had put say Abreu on waiver’s and someone claimed him, does that means they lose the draft picks and only get, what they got in the trade?”
Yes. The team who ultimately ends up with Abreu in this scenario would get the compensation picks.
SJ44 if you let Abreu go, where does his production come from? Like I said, he’s 1st on the team in hits, doubles, and RBIs. 2nd in total bases, runs scored, and walks.
Tiexiera isn’t coming here. There are no big bats pounding down the door at Scranton. Unless they make a huge trade, they don’t add a big bat. So you let Abreu go. Along with Giambi and Pudge, which I am fine with. IMO you make a bad hitting team worse.
Who fills the hole in the lineup that Abreu will leave?
That’s the question I want answered.
The issue with Abreu is, he’s going to get multi-year offers in the marketplace. The Yankees can’t offer him a multi-year deal.
Multi-year deals for position players over 35 aren’t the way to go when you need to rebuild.
If he wants to come back for 1 year, 10 million, I would consider it. That’s a pay cut to what he’s currently making.
He will probably 2 and 3 year offers in the marketplace. If that’s the case, you let him go and take the draft picks.
The culture of this team MUST change.
In order for it to change, you have to reshape the roster.
SJ44, have you followed Miranda much. Whiff brought him up as a replacement at 1b. I have no idea if he is near ready or not.
Miranda has a very good eye at the plate, very..immense power if he hits LHP as good as he hits RHP he can remind you of a young Carlos Delgado.
***susceptible***
Dr Abe,
I thought the Yankees just piece out info on injured players…
“The problem is, one of Damon or Matsui has to be dealt (if possible) and you have to try and get back a player or two that can help you. Bringing them both back could clog up the roster.”
Both of these guys are key to our offense. I wouldn’t deal either one of them.
Abreu shouldn’t try to steal anymore, granted.
Still, he is one of the fastest Yankees down the 1B line, has a ops+ of 121, has .370 OBA, bats .295 with RISP, and bats over .400 with runners in scoring position and two outs.
He’s also the most patient and discplined hitter the Yankees have.
He also plays 150 games every year.
The Yankees would profit from offering him arbitration or a one year contract with a performance option.
Giambi to me is a Wooden Indian at first base, he can’t throw, he is not agile/quick, the type of firstbaseman needed to protect against balls hit down the line.
Anything down the line in YS is a double, which we give up with Giambi at first. And how many attempted base stealers has Giambi caught leading off first? Even with Andy pitching, I can’t recall any, he’s not quick enough the tag.
He would have to hit 2 homeruns a game in my mind to justify his play on the field. His departure is one reason I look forward to end of the 2008 season.
Abreu will be 35 in March of 2009.
the same age as Derek Jeter, who turns 35 in June.
You can’t keep,
Abreu
Damon
Hideki
unless the Yanks don’t plan on going after a CF.
Yes, Abreu would be good as a DH and a part-time OF. Because I’m tired of balls dropping in for base-hits 2 feet in front of Abreu’s feet. And I love Bobby-Lou! Give me a young crash dummy to bang the walls and lay out for outs! Shelly Duncan?
“There’s nothing wrong with Robertson or any other bullpen member other than overwork because the starters haven’t gone far enough into the game.”
I’d attribute it more to youth than overwork. He’s inconsistent, at times looking great and at others looking like last night. He’s walked a few too many too. I think he’ll contribute next year as well, but hope they are not prepared to give him a key role without him earning it. So far, he hasn’t.
That’s not an emotional attachment compelling my judgment, it’s logic.
Unless the Yankees sign Teixiera, they have no better option to bat 3rd than Abreu.
At least Abreu can play the field and stay healthy. Matsui cannot.
Sj, Abreu will be age 35 next year…the age age as geezers like Damon, Jeter and Matsui. get rid of them, too. Abreu has stayed more productive and healthier than the other two over the last few years, also.
The hey to the whole Damon/Matsui thing, is Posada.
I think our evaluations on him this offseason decide who goes where.
You know what I wish for? Players with energy who show they are tyring to win all the time. I miss the energy. When Robby and Melky were first up they ignited the rest of their team with their enthusiasm on the field and in the dugout. They played hard and they had a good time. It was infectious. Wow I don’t see that just about anywhere now with our Yankees. And I don’t think it just has to do with winning and losing. Well okay, it probably is harder when you’re losing. But I didn’t see it the way it was there before with Melky and Robby anyway.
I miss Larry Bowa. I wish we could have him back.
Aceves is just another guy in a long line of AAAA pitchers the Yankees churn out.
Like a lot of pitchers (Kennedy, Rasner, Wright), he has good control which has enabled him to do well at the AAA level, but he doesn’t nearly have the stuff to be successful in the majors.
We’ve seen this all too often.
GreenBeret7:
i didnt know that that happened to abreu, and it sure explains alot
would you rather a player run into a wall and try to catch the ball but gets injured instead (see johnny damon) costing us a run that day, but because they have to miss games on the DL eventually costing us the runs they would have had a halping hand in?
Im still not giving up on this year!!
If were 5 games back by sept.1. We still have a chance.
Next years staff
Sheets
Moose
Joba/Hughes
Wang
Lowe/Penny
Im not sold on Abreu. Unless they trade Damon or Matsui and use him as a dh. They might also need that spot for Posada. Nady will be in right next year.
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I am all for getting Teixiera, Sheets, CC, Burnett, etc. BUT, what are we going to do when we don’t sign any of these guys? Seems to me the FA market is very thin and besides the guys mentioned above, no real impact guys.
Thoughts?
I’d rather lose with young, cheap players than old, expensive ones.
Any chance we could pry BJ from Tampa in the off season…
Everyone on here wants the team to clean house. Get rid of this guy, DFA that guy, blah, blah, blah.
I mostly agree with this idea. I’d be fine if the 2009 roster did not include Giambi, Pavano, Pudge, or Pettitte.
I would prefer to keep Abreu and Moose. Abreu should be open to a 2 year deal.
Also after 2009 Damon and Matsui are done (can’t see either of those guys being resigned) and Nady is a FA. So if you don’t bring back Abreu, who plays the outfield in 2010? I know its 2 years away but let’s be real here. Besides AJax no one is close in the minors.
If you want Abreu gone so bad, provide a solution for replacing his production.
Miggs,
The answer is, the trade market.
They can’t BUY their way out of this. They have to THINK their way out of it. I mean, they could try to buy their way out of it. However, you will just end up with a roster similar to the one you have now. 1/3 of the guys who are players. 1/3 who are only here because they took the money and have no real attachment to being Yankees, and 1/3 of the roster being rookies and young players.
Abreu’s numbers have been in decline. When a player is in the decline phase of his career, a multi-year deal can’t be done.
You work the trade market. Every year, there are players available that can fill your needs.
Its why I say that if Cashman is back, you have to beef up baseball operations.
Right now, the Yankees should be doing computer models of every player in every organization in baseball looking to find what they are looking for.
Age: 25-29. High OBP, more contact hitting, etc.
That’s what teams to today to find players. I’ve seen it done with other teams. Its kind of cool.
They put in their needs into the computer and they get back names of guys. They then go to their scouts and review the scouting reports on the players. Teams then meet and prioritize which players to go after. Its a fascinating process.
Its not just about finding all stars. Its about finding players that are not only good players, but are guys that balance out your lineup both offensively and defensively.
Right now, Abreu isn’t that kind of player unless he wants to take a one year, below market deal.
If he does, you sign him. Honestly though, I think a team will do what a lot of posters here do with him. Look at his stats, and talk themselves into giving him a multi-year deal.
I have nothing against Abreu. He’s a good guy and a good player. If the team was in a different place, and he was a couple of years younger, I’d offer him a multi-year deal.
Since that isn’t the case, I’d rather have the draft picks and go in a different direction.
Thanks Brandon.
Good description.
So is the opinion then that he should be a candidate to take over 1b next year or is that pushing it?
“Abreu should be open to a 2 year deal.”
Why??? He can get more than that on the free agent market.
“If you want Abreu gone so bad, provide a solution for replacing his production.”
Matsui or Posada.
i think we should definitly keep damon and chances that we will trade him are probably slim to none, unless he himself wants to be traded in which i sure hope not
matsui is such a question mark, he really really worked hard to come back and help the team, idk if his knee can hold up all of next year
I’m almost positive the Yankees will offer Abreu arbitration– it’s the only way they can receive draft picks if he departs.
My only hope is that he accepts because I agree with SJ44 in this regard about Abreu only: another team will offer him a multi-year deal. I doubt the Yankee will.
“Aceves is just another guy in a long line of AAAA pitchers the Yankees churn out.
Like a lot of pitchers (Kennedy, Rasner, Wright), he has good control which has enabled him to do well at the AAA level, but he doesn’t nearly have the stuff to be successful in the majors. ”
Frank –
You have no idea about Aceves – it is clear from your post – so why not wait until you actually see him before you condemn him?
(here is a link to his stats in case you’re interested:)
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=13
Kill-Schill and Greenberet helping bring sanity back to the board.
Thank god I’m not the only one looking at Abreu objectively.
the 2009 NY Yankees!
1b-Texiera
2b_Cano
ss-Hudson
3b-A-Rod-iculous
lf-Damon
cf-Jeter
rf-Nady
DH-Matsui
4th of-Gardner
c-posada/molina
rh dh-?
pitchers
CC
Moose
Wang
Joba
Petite
Hughes, Kennedy, and whomever, waiting in to back up
relief
Mariano
Melencon
Marte
Veras
Robertson( I still have faith this kid is gonna be good with his easy delivery)
Pope/Bruney/Cox
“If Bobby Abreu is a Type A free agent, the two draft picks are worth more than what he brings in return. Especially since he’s going to be 36 next year and you have a guy in place to play RF next year in Nady.”
but would a trade of Nady in the offseason, after a career year, bring back more than 2 draft picks, that may not be able to help much for a few years?
Any chance we could pry BJ from Tampa in the off season…
Upton ? LOL yeh right
I’d rather lose with young, cheap players than old, expensive ones.
They have this stupid idea that it would be waving the white flag, the these vets have swung it looks like they waved the white flag already in June.
Keepers: Andy, Mike
Dumpers: Pudge, Jason, Betemit
I’m on the fence with Bobby. One year to DH would be perfect.
Any other FA on the team?
Keepers: Andy, Mike
Dumpers: Pudge, Jason, Betemit
I’m on the fence with Bobby. One year to DH would be perfect.
Any other FA on the team?
You gotta have faith…That’s why it never bothered me that Abreu didn’t challenge the walls. The 5-7 runs a year he might save doesn’t make up for the runs he doesn’t produce because he’s hurt. Guerrero doesn’t challenge the walls, either, and that’s all anybody talks about…what a great defensive outfielder he was. He was pretty good…great arm, but, he and Abreu, in the same number of games played and innings played have the same defensive numbers in almost all areas except one…errors. Guerreo has more than twice the amount of errors because he’s so damned in love with showing off his arm, he overthrows the 2rd baseman or catcher, too often…if he even throws to the right base.
***overthrows the 3rd baseman***
They do have a better option to bat third. ARod. He’s a better hitter, and better player, than Abreu.
Frankly, Arod should hit third in this order.
The Jeter argument doesn’t hold water for several reasons:
1. He’s the face of the franchise. Bobby Abreu is not.
2. He has two years to go on his contract. Abreu’s contract is up.
3. They have nobody who can play SS right now. They have a RF (Nady) to replace Abreu.
Damon and Matsui aren’t the key to the offense if they can’t stay healthy and are both 35. If they are, this team will be bad for a long time since no team that is going to the playoffs has their two “key” hitters in their order 35 and over.
There is going to be a LOT of change on this roster in the off-season, regardless of whether or not Cashman is back.
Folks might as well get ready for it. The entire front office is disgusted with this team. When that happens, very few guys are safe.
“Any chance we could pry BJ from Tampa in the off season…”
Fat chance or slim chance.
Take your pick.
He’s cheap and under the Rays control for another 4 years.
O.T.: Why do slim chance and fat chance mean the same thing?
SJ44:
Trade market: what are they going to use, the youth they are trying to build up? curious, Cano then they need a 2nd baseman. X then they need an OF
Abreu, Jambino, no trade value..
So were and who?
SJ44:
You have Hideki and Damon, that’s about it of some value that you could get something for.
The Jeter issue will become interesting. He clearly is not the player he once was, even though he may be having a bad year or still hurt. However, at what point to the Yankees seriously consider finding a SS replacement AND would Jeter do what is best for the team and move to another position?
Miranda takes his walks but also strikes out a lot.
He’ll never be a .300 hitter in the bigs. He has 12 HR this year…. twelve. He can’t hit lefties. And I’ve never heard anything about him defensively which leads one to believe he’s belowe average.
He’s not an option.
So he’s Jason Giambi. Except he only hits 10-15 HR.
Fredo,
BJ’s like Edwar and Alexi. Negative space.
So we have a negative chance of getting anything from Tampa. Zero chance of doing business with them at all.
sign sabathia,lackey,crawford and we win it all easily in 09.a rotation of sabathia,lackey,wang,joba,hughes/mussina is nasty.let giambi,pettitte,pudge go,maybe abraeu and pettitte also,trade damon,matsui and maybe cano.crawford in center,nady in right,left or first base,dh posada.by getting rid of damon,matsui,giambi,abraeu,pudge,mussina,pettitte,pavano the yankees drop over 108 million dollars and if you add sabathia,lackey,crawford it will cost approx 50 million.nady in right,crawford in left or center field,dh posada,catch cervelli and molina the yankees just have to worry about first base band if nady goes to first they just have to worry about 2 outfield spots.with a rotation of sabathia,lackey,wang,joba,hughes i wouldn’t care if nobody played the outfield.
SJ44:
They won’t trade Jeter, Posada, Mo, Wang, A-rod, as they shouldn’t…so you are building around the above and X and Cano..
They Yankees will have a multitude of early draft picks next year.
1) their 2007 1st-round pick, 28a (Gerrit Cole)
2) their 2008 1st-round pick
3) Pudge’s (if he’s type A)
4) Giambi (Type A, I assume)
They don’t need draft-picks for Abreu. What they will need is a 3 hitter. And with the exception of Teixiera, there’s none better for the job next year than Abreu.
The Yankees will receive draft picks for him eventually. I just hope they’re prudent enough to realize they can’t reconstruct an entire roster for 2009 and expect to compete.
They just played a sound bite from Cashman taking responsibility for the poor performance of the team. Classy
He also specifically exonerated Long and Girardi.
Why does Susan have to interview paplebum
TK,
Nice. Even if he’s not to blame, it’s good to hear. Cashman’s back if Hank doesn’t go crazy in the offseason.
Please guys, don’t fall in love with the X-Man just yet. Look at his career number; he’s no Jason Bay.
He’s had a great season, He’s performed well since the trade.
There’s no way to determine just yet whether this year’s an aberration or a progression.
Kill Schill:
Pudge is a B and sliding. A fractional chance of getting A status back if he has a huge September.
Giambi is deep into B-ness. No shot at being an A
I know all about Aceves. And I guarantee I know more about the minors than you do.
TK – while Cashman certainly isn’t on the field playing the games, he should take responsibility for the team. He is the one that put it together and staked his job on Hughes and Kennedy in the rotation.
What decline is Abreu in? His walks? So is everyone else on the team and accross baseball. His home runs? Abreu was never a home run hitter. He had two freak years over 30 and was never before or after more athan a 25 homer hitter. He was a 22 homer average hitter that scored and knocked in 100 runs, hit 35-40 bases and stole 25-30 bases. He’s not any different now. He’ll steal about 20, knock in 100, score close to that and hit .300. His career averages. Others should decline so drastically.
BTW, for those of you who believed the BS about Cole’s father “orchestrating” the Cole stuff, have you followed the Pedro Alvarez news?
All I will say is, Scott Boras is unbelievable.
There is an old saying, “If you lie with dogs, you wake up with fleas”.
If teams want to continue to deal with Boras on draft picks, you do it at your own peril.
There’s a big fat “F” next to Giambi’s name in my gradebook.
Miranda = Duncan from the left side with a few more walks.
Not a long term option at all, I’d rather sign a gamer like Casey Blake than have Miranda at 1st next season.
Before the Charleston kids arrive, the only position player of note is Jackson, nobody else is a MLB starter.
“Its why I say that if Cashman is back, you have to beef up baseball operations.”
it’s got to be done.
cashman has to get past looking at talented people as threats to his job and add some management and coaching talent.
i think he was so caught up in the wars with the tampa faction that he feels better with fewer people, but the yankees are too big for that. he needs to add good people.
as far as abreau, the yankees need to move on. my opinion is that’s one spot they can go younger cheaper and more athletic.
Kill-Schill(ing):
I understand that and I agree, but trade’s was what I was getting at, who would bring us value as trade bait?
Last year yes Hughes and Kennedy, now we are stuck with them good or bad..
“1) their 2007 1st-round pick, 28a (Gerrit Cole)
2) their 2008 1st-round pick
3) Pudge’s (if he’s type A)
4) Giambi (Type A, I assume)”
Pudge and Giambi are both slated as Type-B’s right now, according to some projections. Pudge is close to a type-A, but he’s gotta get some offensive production under his belt by the end of the season to get bumped up.
and dont forget, they only get picks if the players are offered arbitration and decline, too.
Of all the chatter lately about the Yanks not getting Paul Byrd and Mark Kotsay, I’m reminded of the line that my son and I banter back and forth – “Get real”.
I think Brian Cashman is the one who has the best grasp on reality. Certainly not some of the people who post here.
Does anybody really think journeyman ballplayers such as Byrd, Kotsay, Jarrod Washburn or anyone else available is going to right what’s wrong? Of course not. So instead of throwing more money away for the same ending (so they might win 1-2 more games; so what?), Cash looks for next year. That’s what the trade for Nady and Marte was for – next year. Anything they provided for this year, great, but that deal was for next. Nady means that Bobby Abreu isn’t coming back. Marte is the lefty they need going forward.
The deal for Pudge was because it was there for no cost. Kyle Farnsworth? Come on. Pudge was so they could play someone other than Molina – notice that Chad Moeller went through waivers twice without being claimed. With the need for competent catchers, that’s telling.
Cash knows this year is done. Journeymen ballplayers ain’t going to fix what’s broken. Only the expiration of contracts will do that. Maybe an offseason deal (Cano?) when the other team (TBD) can afford to deal the guy Cash wants. Picking up CC or AJ, at whatever cost.
You know, with the new Stadium, how much more $$$ will be available? According to an article in the Times last week, the Yanks currently get about $360M. Next year, the projection is about $670M. An additional $300M. If they really want a player, money will be no object. Simiarly, there will be no excuse for not putting more money into the player development budget. Results there will not be instantaneous, so patience will be necessary. But they will in position to have great teams in the future.
But this year? Get real.
Hey Fredo, what’s the calculus they apply to make the determination?
Giambi’s a Type B? Really? I figured with the season’s he had he’d qualify as a Type A. Is it his age?
GB:
I’d agree with you on Abreu if I didn’t have to sign him up for 3 years. He’ll get that easily on the market. I’d think the very least he’d accept from the Steinbrenner AC is two years plus an easily triggerable option for a 3rd.
Whens the last time the Yankees and Mets made a trade?
“Last year yes Hughes and Kennedy, now we are stuck with them good or bad..”
dont be mistaken, while IPK’s stock is certainly down, Hughes is still a very valuable commodity.
“I know all about Aceves. And I guarantee I know more about the minors than you do.”
You said he dominated in AAA so I just assumed you were clueless because that is demonstrably untrue – If you know more about the minor leagues than me, that wouldn’t exactly be a major feat.
I just try not to make obvious false statements.
anyone who thinks that jeter would be traded in any year is crazy, jeter as was said before is the face of the franchise, he also has done so much for this club these past years that he has the respect of the front office and yankee orginization, so save the jeter talk till 2 years from now when his contract is up
GB,
His walks are down, OBP is down, his slugging is down and extra base hits are down. That’s at 34 years old.
You don’t want to go multi-years for a guy showing those signs.
Like I said, if the team was at a different place, you think about it.
However, with Jeter and Posada definitely back next year, and the possibility that both Damon and Matsui are also back (if they can’t find an acceptable deal) they have to break the 35 and over logjam on this team.
Abreu is one way they can do it.
You can find players to post numbers similar to those numbers without playing 15-16 million a year for 2-3 years.
“Giambi’s a Type B? Really? I figured with the season’s he had he’d qualify as a Type A. Is it his age?”
its a combo of a number of factors, related to overall production averages based on the previous two years before free agency.
its not just name recognition… theres actually a formula for it.
mlbtraderumors has a guy from a Detroit blog who seemingly has reverse-cracked the formula codes for his projections.
I was just looking at statistics on espn.com and I found it funny that ARod is batting .349 with nobody on base and .269 with runners on base.And even worse with .249 with runners in scoring position.Thank you ARod! With that kind of money he should be putting up numbers similar to last year.
Fran,
I have to respectfully disagree. I’ll give you the Hughes/Ian deal. But the season was still salvageable. Still is if everyone played up to even their average.
Losing Wang and Joba really hurt. The lineup sorely missed Matsui, too.
But, the players are better than they’ve been playing. And it’s something mental, psychological. Much deeper than any manager is equipped to deal with.
“Whens the last time the Yankees and Mets made a trade?”
if i remember correctly, when they swapped David Justice and Robin Ventura.
BTW, if anybody still believes it wasn’t Scott Boras who was behind the Cole disaster, take a gander at the Pedro Alvarez situation. Its a mess.
There is an old saying, “If you lie with dogs, you wake up with fleas”.
If teams continue to deal with Scott Boras draft eligible players, they can’t complain about the results.
miggs,
I believe we have an option to keep Nady through 09.
“Thank you ARod! With that kind of money he should be putting up numbers similar to last year.”
ah. you fail to realize that salary has nothing to do with offensive production.
This team MINUS Joba = NO PLAYOFFS…..period.
Kill Schill:
I don’t know all the calculus involved, but the determination is based on the past 2 seasons (’07 & ‘08) and he’d fall into the category of 1B, DH, OF. In order for him to have “A” status, he’d have to rank in the top 20% of players in those three positions. He’s not close. He’s barely scratching out B status.
On MLBtraderumors.com there is section on the front page (near the bottom) titled “Elias Updates”. It has an update on Catchers and the 1B,DH,OF rankings.
well the game is gonna start soon, im gonna hope for the best, i really want moose to get 20 wins!!!
do you think he wins yankee mvp?
Giambi will accept arbitration (no one will give him anything close to the $23 mil he makes and he likes it here)
Mussina will accept arbitration (for a chance to win a ring and because its either here or philly)
Pettitte will retire or come back here
I-Rod will accept arbitration (because nobody is giving up 2 draft picks for a 40 yr old catcher)
Marte – no need to decline his option, he is turning it around and is one of the best leftys in the game.
Abreu will likely not accept arbitration. However, he has said numerous times he loves NY and just might do it if he likes it here that much.
So basically, Abreu is the only one who might net us picks.
I’ve seen Aceves’ stats all season. I know what they mean.
I’ve read his scouting report. I’ve seen him pitch.
Your opinion of him may differ, but that doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m talking about. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s the other way around.
“do you think he wins yankee mvp?”
yeah – but isn’t that like tallest pygmy?
Why don’t the Yankees put Damon through waivers and see what offers they get? He’s in my opinion one of the few marketable older veterans on this team.
SJ44, you know I have only much affection and respect for you, and I love debating Abreu with you, but can you substantiate the assertion below.
“You can find players to post numbers similar to those numbers without playing 15-16 million a year for 2-3 years.”
I’m dubious, but hey, I’m open to ideas. Matt Holliday? No, Boras client; ergo, no long-term deal. Teixiera costs more.
Who? If you can suggest a few names of player that are capable of equalling Bobby’s number which are much better than you characterize them– when you factor in P/PA and RISP average– and more importantly, ATTAINABLE, by all means, persuade me.
Why don’t the Yankees put Damon through waivers and see what offers they get? He’s in my opinion one of the few marketable older veterans on this team.
Since when…I mean whoever compared Miranda to Shelley Duncan
340 AB 74 K’s 53 BB
where does that scream Shelley Duncan ?
SJ, I already said his walks are down, as they are across baseball, and OBP is tied to walks, correct? Evrybody on this team has had a drop in slugging…including Rodriguez. There are no better options for right field on the market. I’d unload Damon or Matsui, first. Abreu can stay healthy. He’s proven that. He’s not getting a 3 year deal from anybody, but, two years with a team option would work just fine.
Salary does have something to do with offensive production.I understand that just because a person makes that much money doesn’t necessarily mean that he will produce but it is the expectation.He felt like he deserved that money so therefore he should put up better numbers than that.
haha, today’s game features the two aces. too funny.
Why don’t the Yankees put Damon through waivers and see what offers they get? He’s in my opinion one of the few marketable older veterans on this team.
The perception it gives to thier fans
Disappointed that Pete didn’t include a few tidbits on Phil Hughes’ performance last night……So far, we’ve got nothing and that’s frustrating. Chad wasn’t blogging and no updates – if anyone was at the game last night, I’d love to hear how Phil looked. Thanks!
Also, If Joe said losing the game “wasn’t the end of the world”, I’m thinking that his mentality sucks. I hated it when Tom Glavine sounded rather blase about getting hammered near the end of last season and I despise Girardi’s attitude as well. No, clearly the world will not come to an end if the Yankees lose, but in the baseball universe, losing games the way the Yankees have been losing them IS a big deal. I am not one to put undue blame on Girardi, who I think is a really smart guy……and a decent guy. I understand that he’s trying to take the pressure off of his players, but that’s a silly way to handle things. They can handle it if he says “we have to win every game now” or something like that…….because they have put themselves in this situation. Enough with the soft-sell – it’s time for the truth. I don’t understand Joe’s mentality because he was not like this as a player….losing killed him and he admitted that it still does from the very first day of ST. Many great coaches think that the pain of losing is worse than the joy from winning. I’m not sure why it’s so hard to convey that feeling to this team. At this point, I don’t care if the team makes the playoffs or not, but I want them to go down with a fight. I’m not seeing that.
Mel – I do agree that the players (with very few exceptions like Moose) have not played up to their potential. It’s puzzling and I certainly don’t know what the answer is.
The filter keeps stealing my Pedro Alvarez post.
If some of you don’t believe Boras was behind the Cole debacle, take a gander at what he is doing with Alvarez now.
There is an old saying, “If you lie with dogs, you wake up with fleas”.
Any team that continues to deal with Scott Boras with draft eligible players, you do it at your own peril.
SJ: what’s the scoop with Joba’s innings for next year? I imagine that he hasn’t pitched the number of innings that they had anticipated this year. Will that cause them to start him in the pen in 2009 to conserve innings?
Thats why I feel like a player should be paid at the end of each year.Although it is far fetched,it makes the most sense.Players too often get paid and do not live up to expectations. Players should be paid at the end of the season for that season based on their production.
You post makes zero sense.
Here is what I posted:
“Aceves is just another guy in a long line of AAAA pitchers the Yankees churn out.
Like a lot of pitchers (Kennedy, Rasner, Wright), he has good control which has enabled him to do well at the AAA level, but he doesn’t nearly have the stuff to be successful in the majors.”
No where in that post did I say he “dominated.”
Nice chatting with you.
We’ve seen this all too often.
“Thats why I feel like a player should be paid at the end of each year.Although it is far fetched,it makes the most sense.Players too often get paid and do not live up to expectations. Players should be paid at the end of the season for that season based on their production.”
They should have envelops with cold hard cash at each base
“Giambi will accept arbitration (no one will give him anything close to the $23 mil he makes and he likes it here)”
Dont they have to offer that to him? They will eat the 5 mil and let his useless arse walk.
KS,
Nady can do that job in RF. If Cano is back, and is productive, he picks up the slack. A better year from Arod. Posada back, at least offensively.
Taken together, they all make up for that production and that’s before I even look at the trade market.
You know what I would do with that money? Put it toward rebuilding the starting pitching staff.
If that means adding two starters, so be it.
I’d rather they rebuild it from the pitching staff out and break the logjam with the 35 and over position player crowd.
The filter keeps eating my Pedro Alvarez draft into.
All I will say is, it looks like it was indeed Scott Boras pulling his BS with Cole and not dear old dad.
If teams are going to continue to deal with Boras on draft eligible players, you do it at your own peril.
Betsy,
Don’t get caught up in post-game comments from anybody.
There is only so much you can say.
At this point, no words are going to be the magic elixir to solve what’s broken.
“You post makes zero sense.”
Me post sorry
I really believe that this team is underperforming because it is full of quote; unquote Torre guys? Veterans who got used to doing things a certain way and who got thrown out of their comfort zones by the younger, more energetic, less experienced Girardi. If this team is to succeed Cashman has to purge as much of these guys as he can and provide Girardi with younger, hungrier, less jaded players who can take to this managers’ demeanor and can thrive under these conditions.
“Dont they have to offer that to him? They will eat the 5 mil and let his useless arse walk.”
Not only do they not have to, they almost certainly won’t. Yankees have to pay the $5M no matter what, but they are not going to risk him accepting arbitration.
LOL. Damon doing it right. Shooting at the Bleacher Creatures AFTER the play.
“All I will say is, it looks like it was indeed Scott Boras pulling his BS with Cole and not dear old dad.”
Why do you say that??? No evidence to sugegst it.
What good is Joba in the pen at this point? If he can’t start, does he have any real value?
The 1995 Yankees were 10.5 games out of the wild-card on August 30, with multiple teams separating them and wild-card leading Anaheim.
But the 1995 Yankees had Cone, McDowell, Pettitte, Kamy, and Hitchcok in their rotation.
The 2008 Yankees have….. well you know. Unless Joba returns as a starter, they won’t make up 6 games, never mind 8.
Ellen,
Joba’s innings? If he is to remain a start, he’s going to be limited next year.
Meaning, he’s a #5 starter at best because of those innings limits.
I’m more interested to see if he stays in the rotation.
I’m curious to see if the Yankees decide to keep him in the bullpen because of his shoulder issues and any possible potential for problems, a la Papelbon.
I know the Yankees are saying they still see him as a starter.
All I’m saying is, its a LONG time between now and spring training.
I’ll be interested to see how things are handled with Joba in the off-season.
“Why don’t the Yankees put Damon through waivers and see what offers they get? He’s in my opinion one of the few marketable older veterans on this team.
The perception it gives to thier fans”
well, that, and you have a better chance of getting a better package for him in the offseason than you would now. can potentially get more teams involved to drive up the price.
“yeah – but isn’t that like tallest pygmy? ”
do you have to bring up pedroia?
Who is Pedro Alvarez, SJ44?
BTW, the Yankees can sign CC or any other starter they need and still retain Abreu. They have pavano’s 10 million, Giambi’s 20 million, and Pudge/Farnsworth’s 6-10 million to re-allocate.
SJ44, I saw both of your posts in the previous thread about Alvarez. Boras is a buffoon.
Anyways I was at lunch after I made my points about Abreu but SJ has already basically argued the same things I would have said. Abreu while still being great at the plate is declining. His defense is terrible (worst outfielder in the AL), and he no longer can steal bases with any effectiveness. Even if we didn’t have a capable replacement in RF (Nady) I would consider getting rid of him. This team needs more players that are fundamentally sound (fielding, baserunning, situational hitting). Abreu only covers one of those areas.
Right now we have Nady, Damon, Matsui for RF, LF, DH. Nady can’t play CF, Damon can’t play CF, Nady is an OF not a 1B. If Matsui is traded then I’d be all for signing Abreu as a DH but otherwise there is no spot for him on this team next year.
Thanks, SJ.
Just skimmed the last hour or so’s worth of posts. The Yankees are going to have to take a page from, yes, the Red Sox Book of Player Moves, by saying goodbye to popular players. They need to be a little more dispassionate. It’s an absolute necessity, or you won’t move anyone. I’m bracing myself for the departure of some of my personal favorites. Don’t know which ones they’ll be, but what’s ended up happening over the years is, I root not only for the Yankees, but a few individual players no matter where they end up.
Is there anyone left to blame in the Yankees organization for this season?
Wait, I know! Gene Monahan! He’s been so ineffective at preventing injuries since Torre left.
The ball boys are noticeably worse this year too.
“I’m curious to see if the Yankees decide to keep him in the bullpen because of his shoulder issues and any possible potential for problems, a la Papelbon.”
If that were to happen I would lose all faith in Cashman and the Yankees.
Fredo,
The Cole thing is right out of the Scott Boras handbook. He’s done it with other players over the years. He’s doing it with Alvarez now.
The only difference is, the kid, at least for now, is saying he’s going to college.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Boras tries to file a lawsuit down the road attempting to get Cole back into the draft for next year.
He has talked for years about wanting to “change the draft”.
He’s just greasing the skids with kids like Cole and Alvarez to do it.
Next year, he already has 5 of the 10 best players in the draft.
He’s gonna keep pushing the envelope and the futures of these kids be damned.
Its not the way to go about your business. If I was a team, the last kids I would take in the draft are Scott Boras kids.
Its just not worth the grief.
Impossible to get a high strike with this ump.
Does Moose even know he’s pitching for charity now?
Will anyone join me in pledging to buy Moose Bars WHEN he notches his 20th victory?
Do it for the children.
yes, please let abreu leave
not making the playoffs this year, should be a wake up to mgmt and fans that things should change
bos, min, oak, etc plug in their youngsters and they eventually contribute… we don’t give ours enough time to do that… we’re too dependent on our expensive veterans
“Whens the last time the Yankees and Mets made a trade?”
The hall of fame trade of Felix Heredia for Mike Stanton
Following at work. Gamecast had that ball four to Ortiz right down middle of the plate. How close was it? Also, these first few balls to Youikilus are hitting the corners and being called balls. How close is Moose? The umps have had a tight K zone on the Yanks this series.
The Pirates’ Pedro Alvarez?
After how long on the restricted list is he available to other teams?
Patrick,
Re: Joba, if they went that route, its because of medical reasons.
Obviously, they want him to stay in the rotation.
However, if the doctors believe he can’t hold up for health reasons as a starter, the bullpen is the only option.
I’m NOT saying that’s the case. Only saying that I’m interested in seeing IF that’s the case.
As you can tell, I believe very little public information re: Yankee injuries! lol
I believe they are always more serious than they let on.
“If that were to happen I would lose all faith in Cashman and the Yankees.”
why? dont you realize a move like that would only be related to his physical health, and a last resort?
would you rather have him make a half season’s worth of starts, and then have arm or should issues?
or would you rather him pitch for a whole season, healthy, out of the pen?
nothing you can do if his arm doesnt hold up for a full season of starts.
Call off the dogs.
Shut down Joba, no need to risk hurting his arm at this point. He should rest. Get ready for 09. Matsui also needs to go get his knee cut so he can also get ready for 09. We need him at full strength next year and having him gimp around for no reason (except to finish the year out) is senseless IMO. I’m glad they brought up Aceves, I hope they can do the same for Chase Wright and play some other farm guys so we can see what we have for next year. Tough to accept the season is over, you want to hope but at some point you have to be realistic. Hope Cash and Joe G realize that soon.
Ok only 24 outs to go..
get those stop watches out
do you think if ransom gets 3 ab’s today he’ll hit 3 home runs?
That first called strike to Johnny was a little high. Moose didn’t get that call against Papi.
If NYY offers a player arbitration, I believe it has to be at least 80% of the previous year’s salary. NYY most likely won’t be offering Giambi arbritration.
“The 1995 Yankees were 10.5 games out of the wild-card on August 30, with multiple teams separating them and wild-card leading Anaheim.”
No, they weren’t. Anahiem was leading the AL West and Seattle and Texas at 59-57 and KC at 58-56 were in a three way tie for the Wild Card lead with the Yankees at 57-59 TWO games back on 8/31/1995.
Wow, Jeter needs 13 hits to tie for most ever at Yankee stadium.
***arbitration*** Rebecca does all of my typing and, she’s really terrible today.
“As you can tell, I believe very little public information re: Yankee injuries! lol
I believe they are always more serious than they let on.”
Yeah no doubt about it, they constantly lie about injuries.
Despite all that I do think Joba’s injury is somewhat minor. I also believe that one shoulder injury will not permanently put him in the bullpen. The Yankees are being really conservative with Joba for a reason. They can’t afford to piss away stud pitching prospects. Joba has the chance to be really special, he already has the ability. Now he has to develop the durability and consistency necessary in an ace.
Wow, Jeter needs 13 hits to tie for most ever at Yankee stadium.
And for some reason I don’t care
So Tues Arod was 0-5 in these situations with 2 DP’s
Last night he had 2 doubles.
Today? Single scores a run.
Being on the restricted list only means that the player can’t practice, has no benefits and doesn’t get paid. He also still belongs to Pittsburgh. It’s like being suspended.
Nice AB. UGH!
He obviously strikes out. Last night he only got the RBI because the runner was on first. When we need just a single, he can’t deliever. Pathetic loser.
yea dont think nyy will offer giambi because he would probably accept
abreu, they would have to
looks like the real arod showed up today.
Well fine, if nobody else is going to step up to the plate, maybe I’ll buy TWO cases of Moose Bars when he gets his 20th win.
Well now the 5th spot has the Jambino curse.
Does anyone believe the Yankees will ever score with less than 2 outs and two men on?
We should try to put together a lineup with all table setters since our clean up guys don’t clean up.
Aren’t we great?! 0 for 2 with RISP, and it’s only one inning! Too bad Nady caught the A-Rod disease, now there’s nobody to drive in runs.
Hank tells Alex stop pressing and so far it looks like he’s doing that. I mean seriously some good cuts in his last 5 AB
You seem to have a pathetic obsession with Rodriguez. Did he steal your girl…pizs in your corn flakes? I notice you didn’t mention a couple of other high priced players that did nothing last night or in the first inning.
Good cuts are nice. Would be nicer if he didnt strike out with runners on, or at least moved them over. At work i cant watch the game but i bet the boo birds were louder than ever after that K.
how can you not care that Jeter only needs 13 hits ???
that’s like saying you don’t care that moose could get 20 wins…
or like you’re not a Yankee fan
The LoHud blog jinx: we mock the Kotsay pickup and talk up Abreu and…
Nick in SF:
I still have to many Reggie bars.
Brandon: Sorry if random observations personally offend you. The record curently belongs to some guy named Gehrig. Sounds like he’s had it for a while.
“Well fine, if nobody else is going to step up to the plate, maybe I’ll buy TWO cases of Moose Bars when he gets his 20th win.”
What’s a Moose Bar?
Nick speak for yourself, I never mocked that pick up and I even said we should have blocked it.
Nick in SF:
Didn’t you read the previous blogs, we were all not baseball smart for liking the Byrd Kotsay pick-ups, previous bloggers said there scrubs…
If I was looking for scrubs, I would look in the Yankee dug-out.
The 2009 rotation hope
CC
Wang
AJ Berrnet
Joba(not have a whole season yet)
Mussina
Someone needs to tell A-Rod we’re dead. The release of that pressure should spur him on to have the best thirty game stretch of his career.
You guys should calm down on the whole “Byrd and Kotsay were great pickups”. You’ve only seem them play against the Yankees, everybody looks good against the Yankees. Wait ’till they face some real major leaguers, then you can judge.
Arod at bat is worse because he makes an out without advancing the runner. The only thing he could have done worse was hit into a DP
Moose Bars:
http://sweetshoppe.wolfgangcandy.com/SweetShoppe/tabid/36/List/1/CategoryID/27/Level/a/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName%2cProductName
They shouldn’t let the Sox take anything. They’ve already stolen our hearts.
Look at the Sox outfield, they would start over any of ours except maybe X-man..
yeah the lineup change really looks good so far. blame it on girardi for arod and the rest not being able to hit in the clutch..
yes it is the managers problem…
clueless, yankee bloggers…PRICELESS..
yeah Timmy.. Kotsay is a star just look at his #’s.. Damon will never be the player he is..
Timothy clougher , clueless…
Look at the Sox outfield, they would start over any of ours except maybe X-man..
Defensively
You’re kidding, Tim. Whine about something else.
5000 ops … kewl to see
RANSOM SHOULD PLAY FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON.
The perfect season continues.
Prediction: if Ransom is still batting 1.000 when this game is over, we win.
Brandon:
Yes defensively…
lol. Still perfect.
Leiter, “If Pavano took that off the toe..” j/k
People can’t seriously believe that Cody Ransom is the cure for all that ails this team, at 1st base or elsewhere. He’s a career .242 hitter….in the minors. a career .236 in the majors. He’s at least consistant with that.
stuart:
There is more to the OF than being a DH, we have 2 DH’s in the OF, 1 in CF, and 1 in RF…say whatever you want it’s the truth.
Doesn’t Cano look like he’s trying to pull the ball too much? What happened to that opposite field gap hitter from the last two years?
Also, I propose moving Arod to leadoff since the only time he hits is when the bases are empty.
GreenBeret7:
No one ever sadi he is the answer, but it’s a nice change, for what was at 1st before.
The Greatest News Ever He’s back
DominicanYank August 28th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Doesn’t Cano look like he’s trying to pull the ball too much? What happened to that opposite field gap hitter from the last two years?
Also, I propose moving Arod to leadoff since the only time he hits is when the bases are empty.
I suggested this yesterday.
stuart:
Your blogs “priceless”.
Carl sounds like an okay guy. But I hope he has the decency to got to non-rival.
It hurts to read the Boston Papers…
“This isn’t even that much fun anymore. Burying the 2008 Yankees has become too darn easy – like practicing layups on an 8-foot rim or beating a 4-year-old at checkers.
If you are a Yankee in 2008, the Red Sox are your daddy.
The Sox pummeled the once-proud Bombers again last night. This time it was double-pumping Paul Byrd dazzling the billionaires’ club with his 87-mile-per-hour heaters and old-timey dropballs in an 11-3 rout. Dustin Pedroia provided the exclamation point with a grand slam in Boston’s seven-run eighth.
What a beating.”
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/08/28/turning_out_lights/
Ransom had a freak two at bats, so far….much like those two homers in 3 at bats that Bubba Crosby had at the start of the 2005 season. He’s a career minor leaguer for a reason…and, no…he’s not better than Giambi, no matter how bad Giambi has been.
Moose looks good, I hope we can provide some run support…
GreenBeret7:
Sorry yes he is better than Giambi defensively, hell I know he can throw to home plate.
don’t think redox starting owning us until this series
believe it was 6-6 coming into this one
more boston hype… i would know, i grew up about 45 min from there… bos fans are annoying… these new bos bandwagoners are 10 times worse
Moose will never win 20 with this offense the way it is.
I completely forgot this was a 1 pm game and misssed pretty much the first hour.
Lets go Moose, and offense!
GB: he’s not the answer. Heck, I’m not sure there is an answer. He’s a pleasant diversion. No one else they put out there is going to get this team to the playoffs. Watching Ransom with his 1.000 average is as much fun as these games are likely to get.
And, Tim, that’s why you’re sitting behind a computer stuffing up on jelly donuts.
Doesn’t Cano look like he’s trying to pull the ball too much? What happened to that opposite field gap hitter from the last two years?
He’s playing w/ an injured thumb. So now he has to get out infront.
moose has a chance at 17 today… and this offense has been bad all year long
Jeter trying to get all 13 hits today. Can he pinch hit for the rest of the lineup?
Ellen, there have people on these boards that seriously think his the answer.
GreenBeret7:
did jeter really get picked off? MFer
Moose needs to hold them to -1 runs today.
love jeter, but that was terrible… how about some effort on the base paths
good idea though to hit and run w/ abreu on the 1st pitch, the whole world knows he doesnt swing on the 1st pitch
GreenBeret7:
This is just my opinion, hey I didn’t see any guy’s wearing beret’s out either.
Sorry, GB. Didn’t mean to be flip. I’m just trying to enjoy what is still enjoyable about this team. I saw Ransom in Scranton earlier this month, so I think it’s kinda cool to see what he’s doing.
***he’s*** Rebecca must be playing with her swords again instead of correcting my spelling.
I’ve been a Yankees fan for almost 40 years and I don’t know the reason for this……..why is it called the boogie down? (which really sounds silly).
More stupid baserunning, don’t even know why he stopped running.
drew… krs-1 (rapper) called the bronx that
“Moose Bars:
http://sweetshoppe.wolfgangcandy.com/SweetShoppe/tabid/36/List/1/CategoryID/27/Level/a/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName%2cProductName
”
Ok if Mussina wins 20 games I’ll buy a case too.
brandon, think it was a hit-and-run
Drew,
Boogie Down Productions
(KRS-1 & Scott la rock)
“why is it called the boogie down? ”
it’s named after KRS-1’s original rap group, Boogie Down Productions
brandon, think it was a hit-and-run
nope
Oh, I agree, Ellen. It was unique, but, he really is bad. Defensively, he’s no better than Nick Green or Chris Basak was or is. They’re just career minor leaguers. Years ago, the Milwaukee Braves brought up a mid season minor leaguer named Bob “Hurricane” Hazle. He hit .412 for the rst of the year and was gone by mid season the next, never to be heard from again. I won’t even bring up Shane Spencer.
It was a hit & run an he would have been out at second by a mile
Good man, Patrick.
Moose Bars are pretty tasty too, sort of like Reece’s in candy bar form.
It was a hit & run an he would have been out at second by a mile
There is no way that was a hit and run
For those of you yammering about Jeter’s caught stealing, it was a busted hit and run. Only fault was Abreu not making contact. Perhaps if Jeter continues to 2nd base he might knock the ball loose…or, break his ankle.
ok. i was trying to make a joke. didn’t realize it was the real answer… shows what i know
gameday sais ‘failed hit & run attempt’ so i’ll go with that.
Tim, the difference is, I earned this green beret over 36 years.
Nice to see Cal Bear Jason Kidd in the house and sporting a Yankee cap.
mel
August 28th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
“Carl sounds like an okay guy. But I hope he has the decency to got to non-rival.”
Sorta like Damon right?
Ok I i’ll buy some Moose bars as well, hey send mine to Stuart…
Brandon You must be watching a different game It was a hit & run
Pay-Rod is incredible.
GreenBeret7:
I never said you didn’t and thanks for your service. However this is a Yankee blog, I have an opinion as do you, we may not agree but it’s our opinions, that are interesting.
Present and accounted for. Unfortunately someone has had me on the phone for almost an hour!
GRR!!!
GO YANKEES!!!
Just think what Moose could have done with either Andy’s or Sir Sid’s run support. Such a shame he’s getting screwed again.
So A-Rod now sucks on even days and even years?
They said it was a failed hit & run right away on the radio, don’t know if it looked differently on tv.
why cant alex be david ortiz?
How was Pittsburgh not a much better team earlier this season?
SWING AT THE BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brandon You must be watching a different game It was a hit & run
I’m watching it on mute at the office. (Slingbox)
what do you think the yankees can get for a-rod
Geez Louise, why didn’t Mussina start yesterday on his regular day when they actually scored a few runs?
Brandon,
it was a hit and run. there’s no way he was straight stealing.
It happened two inning ago so please forget it
Kotsay vs. Abreu, Round Two: Bobby wins!
So, now, Bring up, Rodriguez has an 8 pitch at bat and he should swing at a pitch 4 inches out of the strike zone, just so you can complain about him striking out on pitches off the plate? That’s pretty pathetic whining.
i wish i could pause both gameday and blog comments like i do at home with the DVR… i need lunch!
Hey Brandon, how long of a delay is there to watch on Sligbox? I’m thinking about getting one.
See this is the stuff that kills. Taking nothing away from the other pitcher, unless Moose is virtually perfect, there’s a chance the Yankees don’t win.
I know we need to take this one day at a time, but it isn’t going to get easier from here.
Frankly I don’t know what the answer is with Arod. Does anyone? I know I’d like to see him somewhere else in the order but maybe Girardi knows he’s so freakin fragile that he’ll press even more.
I am willing to acknowledge that he is likely the best overall player in the game today, but I really would have been happy if the Yankees missed the opportunity to get him period.
Aaron bleepin’ Boone giveth and Aaron bleepin’ Boone taketh…
IDK they say like 15 – 20 secs. is normal.
both called strikes looked like outside pitches on gameday
i’m calling shenanigans on this whole umpiring crew!
not sure if it was already posted, but Jason Kidd doesnt actually have the gold medal he just won in China… he gave it to Steve Wynn (the casino mogul)’s wife as a thank you for a 3 week stay that he had in one of his casino’s in Las Vegas, i think. He said it was like the best 3 weeks of his life, something like that.
true story.
Nick don’t send the feed through your cellphone if you cherish it.
that could be all lester needs.
I hope not.
Sweet niblets, can they give Moose some defense?
As soon as Flaherty talks about Varitek’s struggles against Moose he gets the base hit and RBI
I probably could never bring myself to do it but if the Yankee offense doesn’t pick Moose up and get him the win today I’d like to forget watching them the rest of the season.
This is disgusting.
Again, and we hear it all the time, a pitcher without runs on the board has to basically make a perfect pitch every time. Not easy to do.
Oh well so much for a good start…
2-0? too much for the might yanks to come back from.
Annnndddd…there’s your sweep and ballgame.
Nice way to close out Yankee Stadium – let your biggest rivals shut the lights out for you.
Ransom’s value is as a better defensive option than Betemit, and perhaps offering comparable offense, so Betemit’s arb eligible contract can be traded. That’s it.
It is really difficult to come in here with all the whining – yeah the season has been a bunch of crap, but we were probably due for one. Sad it has to be this one.
But all this call up all the kids talk – which by and large has worked so well so far this year (sarcasm) – when the roster is very full and a number of guys are Rule 5 eligible this offseason is just not the optimal move. Plus, unlike most here, the org hasn’t quit on this season yet.
Can you just not belabor us with the obvious that the odds are against that. There’s no big solution for the offense for this year or next sitting in the minors – Jackson can wait. There is some pitching help, but little we haven’t seen except Melancon, and he’s not the cure for this year. Some others we’ll see again soon enough – Hughes, IPK, Wright will likely be here eventually, and maybe soon if the downward spiral continues.
Funny how many here support callups, then dump on them when they struggle. That’s what most kids do in their early careers.
Yes, there’ll be changes for next season, some FA’s will be added, etc. But you can’t buy RISP performance – that usually changes from year to year. Tough season to watch, but baseball is a funny game – I’m still hoping for some magic, despite the odds. Not expecting it. Nothing wrong with some hope while remaining realistic.
“Nice to see Cal Bear Jason Kidd in the house and sporting a Yankee cap.”
Did you hear what he is doing with his gold medal?
Thanks Brandon. I might put it on my birthday/Christmas list now that I have a smartphone that I could watch stuff on.
Damn
Trisha, I was thinking the same thing. I can’t bring myself to turn of the radio, but I don’t have a good reason why not.
GreenBeret7:
I’m retired USAF………I work for the Army..
Something these Yanks don’t have
and its over… thats all what lester needs
game, set,match. Over, what are the odds that we even score
Get to work bats and actually score some runs
Ellen at this point if Moose wanted to either retire next season or even go to another team, I couldn’t blame him. Thank God we even had him this season. Can you imagine what our record would look like if we didn’t? And he has to almost pitch a shutout each time out if we wants to sniff a win.
This is beyond discouraging.
And the Academy Award goes to…
*drumroll*
Alex Cora for his performance in “Trying To Avoid An Inside Pitch By Moving Directly Into It”.
Masterful.
“Nick don’t send the feed through your cellphone if you cherish it.”
Please explain.
TK: he’s giving it to the wife of Steve Wynn? Odd. Any thoughts on Vanderbilt getting 4 points @ Miami of Ohio tonight?
Trisha: I know things are bleak when you are discouraged.
What could Giambi bring back from the DBacks
Ellen – you betcha.
There goes the bloom off of the Ransom Rose
So Toronto who can’t score to save their lives smacked him around and knocked him out in two innings.
and what a shock the Yankees can’t score!!
Also Cano has another brain fart and costs Mussina a run.
This is why you can’t not allow Mussina into the hall (lack of 20 win season). When you have a crap team playing behind you and it is a miracle you have 16 wins this season to begin with!
We have 4 days before that waiver period is over if Cash lets those for days w/o dealing the ageing vets then he must be the stupidest man in NY.
GB: ah, but it was fun while it lasted.
“What could Giambi bring back from the DBacks?”
A snakeskin.
“Any thoughts on Vanderbilt getting 4 points @ Miami of Ohio tonight?”
Nobody ever went broke betting against Vandy on the road as a favorite
Seriously – I tend not to follow Vandy football too closely – although the current coach is a lot better than the mental midgets who preceded him.
4 DAYS before wavier period ends SELL WHAT YOU CAN !
Man, poor Moose. I can’t even watch the team do this to him. Breaks my heart.
yeah, it was, Ellen. Maybe it shakes up Giambi enough to get a hit next week.
The Yankees look like the walking dead. In my wildest imagination I can’t imagine anything waking them up. It’s like they know they can’t dig out of the hole so they’re going through the motions.
Wow that was an impressive inning by our hometown Yanks. Boy ican’t wait till we start playing some of the kids………..
And who are you going to deal the ageing vets too Don’t say it if you don’t have an answer
Put the entire team on waivers, anyone wants any player let them have them. I am so tired of this garbage.
i cant watch the game,
whats goin on?
A snakeskin.
They need a LHB w/ pop and are contending w/ the Dodgers I doubt he brings back nothing.
Sadly, this year when the chant “Yankees Suck” starts up, everyone knows its true.
Ransom was in there to play defense, and get a new face in the 5th spot.
I can’t believe now we are dogging Ransom for getting Giambi back.
Imagine being Moose taking the mound with no offense and no defense. It’s like playing by himself.
No team is going to take on Giambi at this point. Who wants a poor fielding 1st baseman who can’t hit much?
12,000 people to watch the first place Rays, they don’t deserve to have a great team, let alone a baseball team.
Maybe for Giambi we can get a go all the way D’backs tee shirt.
“This is why you can’t not allow Mussina into the hall (lack of 20 win season). When you have a crap team playing behind you and it is a miracle you have 16 wins this season to begin with!”
AMEN. The HOF voters need to read in between the lines on this one. Is this what used to happen to him in Baltimore too when he was close to 20? I seriously can’t stand to watch it. This overrated, underacchieving lineup screwing him over like this. Makes me sick. He has got to be the unluckiest HOF pitcher ever
At this point I almost want to say put him on waivers and agree to trade him only to the Phillies. Maybe they could actually help him win a couple of games instead of the abject hindrance that Cano and co. seem to enjoy.
TK: Miami of Ohio is the favorite, Vandy is getting the 4 points. Probably a good game to leave alone.
“Imagine being Moose taking the mound with no offense and no defense. It’s like playing by himself.”
that image reminds me of the old Bugs Bunny cartoons, when he made up his whole baseball team.
As far dealing ageing vets, if they are useless to us why would anyone else want them unless we pay their salary and we get the obligatory PTBN later. in most cases a draft pick would be better assuming we could sign them
Phelps Phan:
Moose is pitching good, 2 nothing Sox…the offense, oh well you know only bright spot it is Jasonless… finally
I wish Mike would go up down that dugout and yell at them they stink!! That would shock them if he did that.
I wish I could have a beer while at work
Jeter now only needs ( if he gets no more hits this game ) to average one hit per Yankee home game for the rest of the season and he WILL have the record for most hits AT Yankee Stadium, just passing Lou Gehrig by one hit…
Yeah they should ask Mike if he wants that. Give the man some diginity in a great year.
Pete,
The entire team should have pulled the countdown lever today.
Looks like most of them have checked out for the season.
Might as well pull the lever and get it over with.
fuhgoobagaz
August 28th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
“Sadly, this year when the chant “Yankees Suck†starts up, everyone knows its true.”
And it is led by Hank Steinbrenner!
LOL
How about in 2001 when Moose had a better ERA, Whip, and more Ks than Clemens yet Roger was 20-3, and Moose was 17-11. The Yankees scored 194 runs in games The Rocket started. They scored 140 for the Moose. The lack of 20 win season argument against Moose is so ridiculous it’s not even funny.
C’mon Moose hang in there……….
the midget ran on the grass
Even Remy is saying that ugly turtle boy was out of the baseline and should have been called out.
Even the calls don’t go our way.
Don’t worry, Jeter will choke right along with the rest of the team and blow that record as well. He will do 5 games of Oh-Fers to finish out the stadium in style.
c’mon Moose
If that play is allowed to stand, there better be an investigation.
Anyone watching this on tv?
The Yankees got that call last year in this very game, on the Thursday afternoon to conclude the series.
The umps made the right call. Technically, rats are allowed to create their own basepath. It’s the Rodent Exemption to the rule.
One thing i learned this season that prospects are not to be trusted.
Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Dave Robertson and others Enuff Said.
It’s the same play they called Youkilis out on against NYY the last time.
If there is justice and the baseball gods haven’t gone on vacation, Moose should get out of the inning unscathed.
So was it as bad as Sterling said?
nail in the coffin time,,,these 2 runs score and it is RIP NYY 2008
They called Youklis out FOR RUNNING ON THE GRASS!!!!
I remember it because I was at the game.
You guys can talk all you want about how the Sox announcers are homers but that isn’t always the case.
Jerry Remy on NESN right now is saying that Pedroia should have been called out. There are many other times that Remy just doesn’t take the side of the Sox.
This is too much to take. I know the Yankees suck, but the Red Sox are allowed to run wherever the hell they want? Next time Pedroia should just run directly to home over the pitcher’s mound.
Ellen, I am. He was clearly out.
all three games should be investigated. bad strike zones and calls.
Sterling asks “wasn’t anybody watching?” who could watch these boring, half-asleep ball players?
Timmy Lupus: And yet Roger still stole the Cy Young from Moose that year. It’s why games like this are so heartbreaking, because obviously the voters are not intelligent enough to realize that the more peripheral stats really tell the story. They’ll always prefer sexy stats like wins and K’s.
IT WAS TERRIBLE THAT HORMUNCULUS PEDRIOIA RAN ON THE GRASS FOR TWO TO THREE STRIDES.
I cannot watch at this moment what happened?
Moose solved the problem himself. Good for him!
what a bunch of horse-poo….that was strike 3 !
jake I’ve always said that the Sux announcers, well Remy specifically, is one of the most objective broadcasters I’ve ever listened to.
MOOOOOOOOOOSE!
Thanks Moose………..
I wanna see Girardi punch the ump
and the ever dangerous Ransom, Molina & Damon coming up in the bottom of the frame, Lester has to be SHAKIN’ IN HIS FREAKIN’ BOOTS, Y’ALL !
I love Moose.
Hell, at this point I’d trade him to any NL contender he wanted to go to. Want to go to the Brewers, Cubs, be my guest. He deserves WAY better than this BS with this lazy azz collection of individuals (certainly not a TEAM)!
The Sox TV guys, Orsillo and Remy, are ok, especially Remy. The radio guys are beyond horrible.
THE HOMUNCULUS, literally, RAN FOR TWO STRIDES ON THE GRASS.
Last year, in the IDENTICAL GAME, the last game of the Yankees-Red Sox series at the Stadium, on a Thursday afternoon, they called out Youklis– JOBA LATER THREW AT HIS HEAD– for RUNNING ON THE GRASS.
This crew of umps sucks.
C’mon offense, please……………….
Okay for giggles I’ll cal the 7th inning for scoring.
I absolutely will not be able to bring myself to watch the postgame if the Yankees don’t pull this out and have to hear all the players talk about how unfair it is to Moose that they didn’t come through for him.
I’ve heard that same thing about different Yankee starters too many times this season.
Chase Wright final line
6.2 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 3 K’s
GO/AO 4-12
Hey, a baserunner!
Trisha – if the Yanks loose I won’t watch the postgame because I don’t want to hear them say how good Lester was – their usual line.
OK let’s go, Jeter..
more bad umpiring.. how bad are the umps, it is incredible how incompetent these clowns are.
Pedroia was out….
Our big offense is on fire today….they cannot hit good pitching it is a head shacker…
Hey we’ll take it any way we can get it.
BBB how about ‘94 Moose, and Cone both were 16-5 with comparable Whip, and ERA. Cone won the Cy Young, and Moose barely got a nod.
from now on the Red Sox 2d baseman doesn’t have a name.
He’s the HOMUNCULUS.
YOULKIS AND THE HOMUNCULUS, puh-fect together
“all three games should be investigated. bad strike zones and calls.”
don’t get me started!
Fran, I hear you. It makes you want to put your fist through the television. It has gotten SOOOOOOOO old.
Come on, have a pulse for Moose’s sake!!
This is our inning…
MLB must have have felt this series was meaningless. They assign a D List umpiring crew to the series and these guys didn’t disappoint.
They have been awful in this series.
They can use this series as a training video on how NOT to do the job.
From home plate to the bases, just a horrific performance by these guys the past 3 days.
That’s why instant replay is coming to the game. IMO, with each passing year, more plays will be added for review because the quality of umpiring around MLB this season has been embarrassingly bad.
If Jeter’s swinging, Damon has to run on 3-1
Yeah I remember the game last year when Pukeilis got called out for running out the baseline. Same call should have happened today but, is it just me, or does anyone else get the impression the umps are doing all they can in this series to help bury the Yanks and ensure they miss the playoffs?
I wish someone would tell them that we really don’t need their help on that. Moose nonwithstanding, we suck just fine on our own w/o any outside interference. So just let the teams play the damn game!
That was a strike???????????????????
I meant 3-2
how was that 3-1 pitch a strike???????????????
Yes DJ………….
OK, runner in scoring position. Don’t screw this up!
another bad call, that was ball 4 cederstrum is a friggin moron..
“IMO, with each passing year, more plays will be added for review because the quality of umpiring around MLB this season has been embarrassingly bad.”
I really hope you’re right SJ44, but don’t you think the Umpires Union will keep fighting these changes tooth and nail? That is what I assume will happen but hopefully the plays can be added despite their obvious desire to keep accountability out of their job descriptions.
C’mon Bobby……this is our inning…….
Does Cunsay have a great arm? Why didn’t Damon advance to 3d base? Not hit hard enough maybe?
That looked like he was trying to pull it a and got an excuse me jam single..eh it’s a hit.
At least Jeter and the Moose came to play.
Please, please, please (let me get what I want) get some runs this inning.
The second base umpire was staring directly at the grass striding Pedroia …..must have been sound asleep.
The umpires don’t have it in for the Yankees. They just aren’t very good and haven’t been throughout MLB this season.
That’s why replay is being enacted during the season.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the boys in blue.
And we need Arod to deliver. For a touch of catharsis.
Sorry, I meant Cutsay. Freudian Slip.
Please restore my flagging faith Yankees!
How will they crush my heart here?
Anytime any other team has 2 on and nobody out, I know we are going to get killed. Anytime we have 2 on and nobody out, I sit and hold my breath and pray…
God. This is setting A-Rod up for another colossal failure.
Oh boy. ARod, please?!
Damon just treated Ellsbury like he was Damon – lol
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
First Sterling said that run at third means nothing. Than he said one run would help. So which is it?
Arod….
Holy cow, he made an out faster than I could type that.
Oh Alex…
Mr. Clutch!!!!!!!
trade him c’mon this is embarrasing
BOOOO!!!!
Oh man……….foul out………….
Hey. Give A-Rod some credit. He avoided the double-play. Well done!
Start the chant.. 9 more years…
I am now convinced that Arod took steroids because I cannot imagine what other kind of crap he could have pulled for us to sit with this kind of karma. It’s just wrong.
Well, it’s up to AROD as Abreu just flied out. Two on and Arod is the potential lead run….what are the odds? OOOPs a blast to Tek, and our Hero performs in a manner we have all come to know and expect.
I hope he cries himself to bed.
There are no words anymore to explain this..
YEAH GAY-ROD
2-20 with RISP this series. Why am I not surprised.
“First Sterling said that run at third means nothing. Than he said one run would help. So which is it?”
he’s really losing it this year. he must not have a clue what inning it is. i think he said something about the infield fly rule being in effect the other day when there was a man on third only (or something like that)…
I am going to start a campign to trade Mussina to a contender.
This team is absolutely pathetic.
The more loses the better draft pick. Root for loses. From that aspect it’s like being a Knick fan.
now a-rod just inffected nady with his crap as well
OK, well, I have a motion to write. See y’all later. My heart goes out to Moose.
poor poor moose
And that my friends is why this is a horrible offensive baseball team and why wholesale changes must take place.
If they bring back the majority of these guys, expect the same results next year.
They know that, why is why this team is going to get blown up. Unfortunately, its a season too late, which just makes the rebuilding process a longer term situation.
F this team except for Moose, Mo, Jose, Damon, Gardner, Nady and sometimes Abreu. I am so dam sick of this crap!
this team is truly garbage.
That was 2 on and nobody out.
I can’t even fathom anything this unimaginable. Watching this team I feel like i’m in a dreamstate – that nightmare that I can’t wake from.
Okay I’m ready to say we’re cooked and also that the team doesn’t deserve to be in the postseason. I just feel bad for Moose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebpod5LqFts
Rodriguez is in the same funk he was in ,, during the 2006 season. No explaination other than….who knows?
Rage is starting to set into this team.
MVP !!!! MVP !!!! MVP !!!! MVP !!!! MVP !!!! MVP !!!! MVP !!!! MVP !!!! MVP !!!!
sigh…..
You think Alex cares? He makes a million ever two weeks whether he hits 20 home runs or grounds into 20 dp. He doesn’t care.
One thing that hasn’t happened is that Rodriguez hasn’t taken the at bats into the field.
“?The umpires don’t have it in for the Yankees. They just aren’t very good and haven’t been throughout MLB this season.”
SJ, did you mean the Yankees or the umpires?
It’s almost gotten to the point where you expect Alex not just not to fail to score the run from 3rd with less than 2 outs, but actually to swing at a terrible pitch and strike out, pop out, or hit weakly into a double play.
I wish he’d stayed married because someone needs to get him outside his own head. He’s pressing and killing himself.
I can almost hear Alex thinking, “I gotta come through here. I gotta come through here.” You can’t play that way in baseball.
“If they bring back the majority of these guys, expect the same results next year.”
It just makes you wonder how they scored 950+ runs last year with essentially the same group.
Giambi, Abreu, and either Matsui or Damon won’t be back next year I think.
the words is the ysuck.. arod should shut his mouth and go hide out in Miami..
Experts how about the lineup change????
Yeah it is Girardi’s fault that this team is a bunch of losers..
again surgeons there leading RBI’ guy has 82, david wright has at least 99, arod sucks and so does giambi, abreu(soft #’s really look at them), an most of the rest of the clowns.
Cano deserves special venom from the fans for his performance thi year. he is utterly pathetic…
24 innings agaisnt the sux this series and 6 runs for the mighty bombers, you have to laugh to stop from crying , this team is so soft it is staggering….
arod yea you have my sympathy you egomaniac needs to make $30 mill a year, you are a CLOWN….
When A-Rod’s contract was up (um, his option), one of the bigger reasons for wanting to resign A-Rod was not exactly his clutch play in meaningful games, but the fear that he’d go to another team and jack out 55 HRs and 150 RBIs and do something special. But at this point, it doesn’t even matter anymore. Whatever frustration you might get from that scenario, it can’t compare to the frustration of watching him suck after suck after suck.
what she said^^^^^
That last at bat by ARod was pathetic. With the infield back a ground ball or fly ball gets one run in. Yet he jumps on the first pitch and pops out. At this point the question isn’t if he comes through in the clutch, but if he comes through in any situation?
It’s just Alex being Alex. That’s the only explanation necessary.
Moose passed Frank Tanana for 20th on the all-time strikeout list today. I guess that’s one positive.
A Rod needs to be traded this off season.
This team is just comical
“You think Alex cares?”
Yes.
Jennifer – I actually do think he cares – so much so that he is pressing to please the fans and be the hero to carry the Yankees on his back.
“You think Alex cares? He makes a million ever two weeks whether he hits 20 home runs or grounds into 20 dp. He doesn’t care.”
actually, i think he does care. in fact, i think thats his problem. he cares too much, and he’s driving himself crazy.
we used to say on my old team, “just play within yourself.” he’s gotta just break it down, and bring it back to the basics.
At least Alex didn’t GIDP. That’s progress.
If we lose this game i agree with others. Dangle Giambi,Abreu all these players that arent coming back next year and ship them to a contender. Lets get something for them. We have been one and done for a few years now. How could they have thought an old team that is a year older would have better results? For once this year, im deflated and cant wait till the season is over.
Did you guys miss all of last season re: Alex?
I don’t like Arod, but even I think he cares. Not everything is about the money — believe it or not.
Hey SJ44, you know the Red Sux didn’t cut off their nose to spit their face after half the team quit in 2006 and they failed to make the playoffs.
They signed Lugo, Drew, and Lice-K.
They won the World Series next year.
The Yankees need to modify the roster not to destroy it.
I actually do think Alex cares; unfortunately, his inner psychoses seem to outweigh that every time. 9 more years…
…although I do not buy into that too much because next year or the year after he’ll have another MVP type season and we’ll all be looking forward to future seasons, not dreading them. But right now it is very hard to be optimistic about Ice Water batting cleanup for us for the better part of the next decade.
So far this game is been a micro example of the entire Yankee season. Bad play by Cano (flipping ball to Jeter rather than turning double play himself) and inability to drive runners (Arod, Nady).
Putting emotion aside and looking objectively at the situation, this team does not deserve to be in the playoffs.
ARod is not a curse, he is an above average player who excels when the direct spotlight is not on him. While he seeks the spotlight, he cannot handle the pressure that comes with it. That is why playing for Texas was such a good fit for him. The expectation of that Texas team was not that of the Yankees so he had no “added” pressure to perform. Without that added pressure, he could mash and pad his stats.
His personal demons reduce him to an average player. The Yankees need ARod for revenue purposes but they could have spent their money elsewhere last year and tried to get by with a short term 3b man, much like they have had to do with the pitching staff.
The only thing worse is listening to the guys from YES try and rationalize a player that is what he is and has been the same performer since he arrived with the Yankees.
Trade A-Rod??? Are you nuts?
Was that the ghost of Shelly Winters singing at Yankee Stadium I just heard?
I think it might’ve been.
First and second, no outs and Abreu, A-Rod and Nady coming up?
And… NOTHING.
Goodnight Irene.
Should be a very different looking team come February…
You know, this team is so MADDENINGLY frustrating, I can’t remember being this disappointed in a Yankee teams since the early 90’s. Eight games back of Boston going into September. FOR THE WILD CARD NO LESS!
Hank wasn’t too far off with his sentiment last night. I never stop rooting for the pinstripes, but it’s becoming hard to when day-after-day they just seem not to care, not to try, to keep making stupid mental mistakes and showing no consistency or persistence.
Yeah, I’m just pissed off and venting, but that’s more than I can say for this TEAM right now! SHOW SOME DAMNED HEART!
it’s lways about Arod and his schtick.
egomaniac that is the understatement of the year.
this team needs to be blown up….
the only old guys back are ; jeter, arod, damon, and posada anyone else old you can trade do it………..matsui, if you can get something for him do it…
Who would have thunk the yanks should apologize to Moose for lack of support….
Assuming it’s a sweep, Girardi should be instructed to “get ready for next year”…..play the kids and see if they really have the potential. Specifically, let’s see if Gardner really can fill the CF gap, or is he #4 or 5, at best. Since it should be crystal clear that Damon cannot do it anymore in CF, (tho it took management 2-3 years to realize Bernie had lost it) give him a 1B glove and try him out….he’s on for one more year, and still slap the ball. AROD??? who knows, we’re saddled with him for 9 more. In two or three years his skills will deteriorate and be at the same level as his capacity to perform in the clutch.
whats the “I” in IPK stand for ?
Jennifer, hopefully that was a joke or frustration…either way, it’s not even close to reality. Was Jeter caring in Baltimore this past weekend? Does Nady care?
For those who thought Nady was automatically Abreu’s replacement, let this series and the last week or so be a lesson. He’s been having a career year. But of late he’s been almost as bad as Giambi and A Rod with runners on base.
Nady’s a nice guy to have signed for next year, but he should be in play as potential trade bait too.
“P”
my bad
A-Rod is the new Dave Winfield.
Jennifer,
As much as im frustrated by choke rod. If he didnt care about this game. He wouldnt be the first one in and the hardest worker on the team. He just needs to add the shrink he was visiting next year to his payroll.
Lester is a pretty good pitcher folks. That Arod at bat aside, the Yankees had some pretty decent at bats today, making him work. Lester had his A stuff today and made some tough pitxhes when he had to, but he’s toast after 6 innings because the Yankees made him work to get outs.
That said, this team still has no soul.
They care. They really do. They just suck right now.
Doesn’t mean they don’t care. Its not like these guys WANT to lose or play badly.
Its just not a very good team. Lots of “names” but, no flow, no chemistry, no nothing.
Aa bunch of guys who, with few exceptions, really haven’t won much in their careers. A few playoff appearances here and there but, they haven’t won anything. It shows in big games and big series. The same guys fail in those series over and over.
Right now, they are a bunch of guys smart enough to know its over and powerless to do anything about it.
That’s why this team will be blown up in the off-season.
In a way, it had to be like this. Too much, “we are just one or two players away” nonsense the last few seasons. That’s not just from the fan base. The front office has felt that for years. Mistakenly so.
They aren’t one or two players away. They need a complete makeover. Or, more accurately, as much a makeover as no trade clauses and untradeable salaries can allow.
Gonna be a big challenge for Cashman or whomever is assigned this task because this team is a mess right now.
stuart:
I totally 100% agree with you……:)
GUTLESS PUNKS RULE THIS TEAM….Damon & Jeter leadoff the inning with singles…then the mighty 3-4-5 hitters : Fly out, Pop Foul Out, Fly out….another EXPECTED 0-3 with RISP…this “TEAM” (which is a JOKE to call it a TEAM) TRULY S*CKS….Hank NAILED IT ! ;-(
we used to say on my old team, “just play within yourself.†he’s gotta just break it down, and bring it back to the basics
The problem is that if Alex tries to play within himself, he has become such a headcase, it would look no different than a mental patient standing in the middle of central park arguing with himself and then attempting to kick his own arse.
Alex’s issues go beyond baseball and he cannot separate the two. His desire to be wanted, loved, adored by millions has cost this team dearly this year.
Last year was an aberration because it was really a contract year. Every player performs above the line when their contract is set to expire. Does that equal caring too much or caring too little, I don’t know. But, it is a fact of sports.
Big whiff by the masked fighter.
A-rod is unclutch etc etc but he’s actually having an above average offensive season compared to the rest of his career. Also if you look at VORP he is actually #2 in the AL. I know he’s frustrating to watch but he’s still one of the top players in the league this season.
Hopefully the Yankees score 3 runs in the bottom of the 7th and get Moose a win, he really deserves it. I don’t have too much faith though…
If it is not Cashman, who is going to want to fix it?
What’s the organization think of Matt Carson?
Phelps: Either ‘pathetic’ or ‘Patrick’, I forget.
To comment on a previous post,
Surprisingly I think Damon has looked good in centerfield since moving over. His arm is subpar (but we knew that going into the signing) but his range has been better than I expected.
I agree though that Gardner should be given I shot. I saw him play two years ago in the FSL and immediately thought of Brett Butler. He potentially could bring a dynamic to the Yankees that they haven’t had in a while
Fredo Corleone,
Of course Lester is a pretty good pitcher. But he’s a pretty good pitcher coming off his worst outing of the year and was running out of gas in the 6th. There’s no excuse for what just transpired. The bottom of the 6th had more to do with A Rod and Nady than it did Lester.
“A-Rod is the new Dave Winfield.”
Mr. May?
A-Rod was clutch last year – I think he just has too much going on between his ears. Next year who knows which A-Rod we’ll get?
IDK but I keep getting this feeling like Alex is going to break somebody’s jaw, it could be the next pitcher that hits him, the next player that mouths off to him in the other side. I just don’t know why I just keep getting that feeling.
If you ever watch Alex, he definitely cares. He looks smug, but that is a cover. This is killing him on the inside, and the worse it gets the more he tries and the more he f-s up. It’s tough because you know historically, next year he will have a monster year.
Chas Wright had another solid, quality outing.
If there is any justice for Moose… our squad will score 3+ in this frame.
Please do it.
113 pitches for Moose – SCORE SOME RUNS FOR HIM!!!!
If it wasn’t so ironic, it would be hilarious that somebody like Stuart Little would question other peoples’ intelligence while typing incoherent sentences, hour after hour.
I want Moose to make it to 20. Thankfully he has a few more he can waste. I hope though it gets another W today.
Yankees will need three here for Mussina to get a “W”. He’s done for the afternoon. Very nice effort.
I hate this song!!
KS,
They had a younger team and a better farm system than the Yankees. They knew they had guys coming up that were going to help them. Such as Youkilis and Pedroia for instance.
The Yankees don’t have players of that calibur ready to go to help the parent team from their farm system at this time.
They also had guys like Varitek, Ortiz, Manny, Wakefield and Schilling who were the backbones of a recent World Championship team.
The Yankees have none of that. Its an old, dead team that hasn’t won a post-season series in 4 years and isn’t going to the post-season this year.
Two entirely different scenarios.
That’s why you need to blow up this team as deeply as the contracts allow this off-season.
If not? Same ‘ol, same ‘ol next year.
By and large, and with relative few exceptions, old position players don’t get better as they get older. The key is to not have too many of them on your team.
When you do, you lose.
ok…correction…it is ironic, hilarious and pathetic.
Mooooooooooooose
Hey maybe Trisha predicted it here comes the 7th.
GB7 –
Leave the Master of Nuance alone – I’ve decided it is just good therapy.
imagine ARod in the role Jim Carey had in Liar Liar where he steps into the bathroom to try to figure out why he saying what he is saying. He comes up with the idea to kick his own arse.
A guy walks in the bathroom:
Guy in the Washroom: What the hell are you doing?
Fletcher: I’m kicking my ass! Do you mind?
“I actually do think he cares – so much so that he is pressing to please the fans and be the hero to carry the Yankees on his back.”
I agree, and he’s also pressing to try to compensate for the fact that he has (or has had for most of the year) the worst no. 5 hitter in baseball hitting behind him. He’s trying to be the no. 4 and the no. 5, and in so doing, failing at even being the no. 4.
However, that is no excuse. The supposed best player in baseball (Albret Pujols says “LOL”) should be way better at making adjustments than this. Quit the guesswork; see the ball, hit the ball. What’s so hard?
I understand I dont play professional baseball, but other hitters can do this, so why not Alex?
Please, trade off some of this dead weight. Let’s try and at least get some type of return for Abreu, Giambi, etc.
This is a joke. Can’t even score a single run.
That’s a strong 7 from Moose…we have to score we cannot go out like this, I don’t care about the play-off’s, c’mon guy’s damn……..
Tabata # 3
Bring up the entire AAA Team
I think your Arod analysis is spot on.
There’s only one way to send a message to A-Rod about his poor performance – bench him. Then again, we’d need a manager that actually had a backbone, so I’m guessing that won’t happen any time soon.
I dout anybody cares about your opinion of music or this song, Brian.
mussina give them a chance to win.. once again our offense sucked
To bad Moose didn’t start on his normal day. He would have gotten a W.
what song? god bless america? i frigging hate it too.
“Last year was an aberration because it was really a contract year.”
I don’t think contract year should had anything to do with it if you believe it’s in his head. He would try too hard to be good and fail if that was the case.
With A-Rod it is all trend. When he gets hot, he gets confidence and lets his natural ability just take over. When he’s slumping, he thinks too much. His hot April 2007 start gave him confidence and he carried it through most of the year. Success seems to breed success with him.
another routine play and the annoucer makes it seem that it was an amazing play.
Tim – don’t count on it. We need a lot more magic for this team than our wishing or willing can make happen.
whats that white stuff on lesters hat?
Does anyone know if any pitcher in the last 50 yrs or so has thrown 2 complete game shutouts at Yankee Stadium in one year? Lester is on his way.
I look at a guy like Moose and it makes me more angry with other guys on the team.
NOBODY is more stubborn than Mike Mussina. Yet, he completely changed the way he pitches and its paid off for him.
So much so that, if he chooses, he will have a market for his services next year.
Nobody would have said that in April.
It makes you wonder why guys like Alex, Giambi, Cano, even Jeter to an extend, don’t adjust their games in given situations.
Its why this team is such a poor situational hitting team.
These guys reject advice from their coaches, do it their way, and fail over and over and over.
The pitching staff has gotten better under Girardi and Eiland. Why? Guys were open to change and many of them implemented it.
The offense? Too many stars and/or former stars. Too many stubborn guys.
That’s why they have failed all season and that’s why they will fail until Game 162.
I will be so glad to see some of these guys off this team. Its just brutal to watch them on a daily basis.
I’ll say one thing, Moose is SURE AS HELL trying his damnedest!
You can’t ask your starting pitchers for much better than what he’s given them these last few starts and he’s got nothing to show for it.
PICK HIM UP GUYS! No starter throws a shutout every time out there, you have to score runs to win!
“Tabata # 3 ”
and Romine @ #5!
Why do you that claim to know baseball insist that what a pitcher did in his previous game has any baring on this game? Pettitte was outstanding in his game before Tuesday’s start.
2 down………
They have seen Lester more than once, with the same result. Watch some tape. Study, Figure out how to hit him.
Any Yankee fan should be prepared for more of a team in transition in 2009. This team didn’t get where they are now in just this season.
This has been a culmination of wrong moves / bad decisions spread out over 4-5 years using the bandaid approach which has finally come to a screeching halt.
Even with a flurry of moves after this season, it will take the new faces an adjustment time and the added thought of playing in a new Stadium.
They will also require a new style of baseball coming from Joe Girardi.
It starts from the top and all recommendations of hiring Buck Showalter are well advised.
“Giambi to me is a Wooden Indian at first base, he can’t throw, he is not agile/quick”
How about this comparison? Giambi has “John Wooden” type range.
Romine is a good looking catching prospect. Can’t wait to see him in AA. Then all the hype will begin.
You think the Dodgers take Brad Pennyback next year ?
& if not you think we can get him for pretty cheap ?
seeing as how he sucked this year. Low risk high reward kinda thing.
Bring up the entire AAA team is a great name. It’s true however. This is pretty bad. I can’t imagine how Red Sox Nation is going to feel if they get this sweep.
The first move I’d make this offseason, trade Kennedy & others to Texas for Saltalamacchia and Cattolanatto.
Second…think the Dodgers would do a Kemp for Cano & Melky trade if we eat the money owed Cano? Then sign Mark Ellis for 2b.
I think that even if there was not much turnover in the lineup, this team still could make the playoffs next year were we to sign CC or another similarly top tier FA. But once there, they would not do anything. That’s the biggest reason why as many hitters as possible need to be replaced in the lineup over the winter.
Lester is an ace. Hughes is in AAA. Difference this year in why we are done.
I don’t know Clay. I think Wooden goes to his left better, and has a better arm than Giambi.
LOL if that doesn’t say it all
“Does anyone know if any pitcher in the last 50 yrs or so has thrown 2 complete game shutouts at Yankee Stadium in one year? Lester is on his way.”
He’s at 119 pitches – I don’t see him finishing the deal.
“How about this comparison? Giambi has “John Wooden†type range.”
That’s an insult to John Wooden.
If girardi subs pudge for molina, he should be killed.
Pinch-hit Giambi? or Gardner?
100% sure that dude does NOT score…..RISP for the Yankees this late in the game AND the season AND playing a good team….100% SURE OUT….NEXT !
Way to go Cody…
I believe I had predicted a Paul Byrd domination and a Sox sweep.
Would somebody please tell Sterling that when the Yanks season is going down the tubes like it is that NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE ATTENDANCE FIGURES!
who hits here? giambi??
Please, not Betemit!
Can the guy who just called for a Lester complete game now call for a combined shutout?
How a AAA player, (and not a very good one) Ransom can hit Lester and the best player ever has a K K pop out
Lester is Koufax?
Lester joins the long list of pitchers who own the Yankees
KS believe it or not I have more faith in Bet than Stache
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I have had a feeling all day that the Sux are going to do something classy at the end of the game, win or lose. Don’t know why I think that except maybe since this is the last game yada yada yada.
Great. Giambi cant hit anyone but Timlin. PUT TIMLIN IN!!!!!!!
Maybe they get him in it’s not the 3-4-5 hitter.
Giambi…NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Giambi. do something good here. kay?
YEAH BABY!!!
Finally!!
Miracles happen.
Giambi defense is not a factor, Yanks have one of the best Team defense in the league
and he just tied the game!
I didn’t take in account Oki pitching
WOW
G comes thru
WOW
Nice!
Now, for the boldest prediction yet…..
Joh Lester will not allow another earned run at (new/old) Yankee Stadium the rest of his career.
Wow, Giambi has finally found/confirmed his role on this team!
One more swing for the Moose, PLEASE!
Yes, see Giambi off the bench is the perfect role for him.
THANK YOU GOD IN HEAVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I am sitting here bawling. I think it’s a lot of pent up frustration coming out.
Now if only we would manage another run for Moose.
Romine is hitting better than anybody thought, but, his defense is worse. Montero has played better behind the plate. Romine has 18 passed balls and only caught 20% of the stealers. Montero has 9 passed balls and caught about 25%, with less errors in more games caught.
Ok I’m sorry thank you Jason, you get a pass from me today, I’m sorry..thank you.
HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
BIG-GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
At least Moose is off the hook.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!
but pudge is coming in to catch
unless we score a bunch more, its over
Wow that was a blast… Variteks drop of strike 3 on ransom bites em…
congrats to Giardi for finally making a good move.
You still need to go though.
I hope they get Moose a W.
UN-FREAKIN’-BELIEVABLE….now it will be the bullpen to rip out our hearts….right ?
Giambi. LOL.
Now, can we get Moose the win?
“Now, for the boldest prediction yet…..
Joh Lester will not allow another earned run at (new/old) Yankee Stadium the rest of his career.”
Oops!
and giambi makes girardi look like a genius again…
What’s Moose pitch count, can he pitch the 8th?
send moose out there for another inning–they have nothing to lose. he deserves a chance for the win
No offense Big G but I wouldn’t be taking curtain calls 7 games back vs a team that wants to take you out.
IF IT’S CLOSE ENOUGH TO CALL, IT’S CLOSE ENOUGH TO SWING, JOHNNY!
DAMNIT!
I guess I jinxed Jon Jester
Any chance Moose comes back out on a very short leash?
Maybe we can sign Giambi next year for the bench.
GreenBeret7,
“Why do you that claim to know baseball insist that what a pitcher did in his previous game has any baring on this game?”
I assume you’re talking to me. I brought it up because Lester has pitched has pitched 100 more major league innings this year than than he did in ‘07.
As a Sux hater, I want to see Lester keep throwing 115 pitches per outing so that he is spent by the end of September.
bring moose back out? or no
and what does Moose get for his trouble ?…a ND !…Way to go, Yankees….you REALLY back up your best pitchers well….NOT !!!
GIAMBINO!!!!!!
GO STACHE MAN !!!!!!!!
“and giambi makes girardi look like a genius again…”
Again?!?
This is a first!
Shouldn’t try it. Moose at 113. He has other games where he can try for the win.
My thought anyway.
Moose is at 113 pitches
There’s Bruney
Im just hoping that Giambi doesnt catch fire that last 2 weeks of the season(when we are out of contention)and the front office forgets how eratic he was during the year and goes on and re signs him for another 2 or 3 years. Short term memory.
I’m still sticking to my sweep prediction.
My guess: Mo will blow it.
Saltalamacchia is about as bad a defensive catcher as there is in baseball right now and he’s hitting about .220. He’s not worth the cost of prospects.
Never mind I see Bruney on the Game Channel..
Moose was at 113 pitches. No way they would have brought him back out.
pudge is catching
its over
That sucks. No Moose. This team sucks.
“No offense Big G but I wouldn’t be taking curtain calls 7 games back vs a team that wants to take you out”
If I’m a fan at the game, I’m not calling for one. That’s one the fans, not the player.
ER=King of ALL J@ck@$$e$ !
Moose is a veteran. You can throw that pitch count garbage out the window. It should be his call.
OK…Ramirez or Marte against Ortiz?
Pray. Just pray.
I think Bruney is tremendous. Hopefully the ghosts are on Joe’s side today and he’s making all the right moves.
GO YANKEES.
please
…. and I say Jason Bay will win it.
why not Marte against Ortiz???
giambi still stinks..
hey I am OK with not making the playoffs but just win and not make the playoffs don’t lie down.
giambi 80 rbi’s. abreu 82, and Arod 79, those are the big RBI’ guys… that is why they are in this circumstance…Hey giambi improved on his 203 BA with RISP congrats, give him an extension!!!!!
moose couldnt stay in…pudge is catching
Tim – it is.
Why did he pull Cody??????
well i am finally at work with a smile..
YES!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Trisha, game channel kinda stinks but at least I get the game.
YAHOO (even though it’s tied…)
MO TIME!!!
mo in a tied game
another reason its over
Mo in a tie game again? Hold your breath.
Tim because Giambi pinch hit and went to first.
This is a “Tony LaRussa” 8th inning.
Remember what I said.
Drive, I made the comment because what lester did in his last start has nothing to do with how he should pitch in the next. It never makes a difference. If it did, some pitchers would never win and some would never lose.
I didn’t look to see who said it, because it didn’t make a difference.
I guess it’s not smart baseball to hope that Mo plunks Youk on the first pitch and then goes after Bay?
Just to see the grimace again?
kinda of a lull on GC, another pitching change?
LOL, Girardi managing this like it’s game 7 of the World Series, instead of a meaningless August game. Which it totally is.
Listen, I have my own reasons for saying this, but if anyone deserves to finish out this game with a successful finish, it’s Mo. I will be tremendously disappointed if it doesn’t work out that way. I just hope there is more than pure baseball at work here.
Is Mo coming in?
another pitching change?
Mo in.
And, let the “Rivera sucks in tie games” whining begin.
mussina doesnt get his 17th wi nagain but if he pitched on every fifth day he will get 5 starts left and if he doespitch every fifth day he will face TB 2 times Sea,CWS and Tor
GB7–I imagine you sit at your computer refreshing all day defending the blog against any poster who has the audacity to tick you off while you chant, “You want me on that wall. You need on me on that wall!”
YES!
It worked Tim. Mo got the last out.
three pitchers in the inning, each threw two pitches…
Okay, these three have got to push a run across. Ugh!
TKin DC-Was trying to look up your question when Giambi hit the homer-could not find the info.
SJ44- I’d like wholesale changes made also, even if it means another lean year. In fact they should put Mussina thru waivers telling him that it would only be to an AL contending team that might be able to give him a chance at his 1st 20 win season. Also tell him he’s wanted back as FA. Know he’ll want to be close to home next year.
As far as your statement that the Yankees should have started a year earlier, what changes would you have made??
Not resign Posada at all, or call his bluff and make it a 3 year deal with club option for 4th? Try and trade Matsui?
Definitely a mistake to lock up Cano too early.
Giambi was untradeable. Definitely was against signing Hawkins. Pettitte plans to come back in January put a halt to possible trade for Santana, as a possible deal was there without Hughes.
Abreu has had a decent year, but signing him to another 3 year contract, which he’ll want is a big mistake. In fact I’d put him on waivers now to see if you could get prospects back now, since he might not be labled as a Type A FA
must.get.more.runs
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We need a run, ok top off the line-up lets go…C’mon Jete’s…
I guess Girardi is betting on the game not going into extra innings, because wasting Bruney and Marte could come back to hurt them!
How ironic would it be if Arod hits a game winning homer?
I feel it, Bobby or A-rod will homer……
You’re really boring, Glove Lover.
arod gets a hit this inning
anyone?
Joe G had to make these moves it’s do or die…
“Abreu has had a decent year, but signing him to another 3 year contract, which he’ll want is a big mistake. In fact I’d put him on waivers now to see if you could get prospects back now, since he might not be labled as a Type A FA”
Abreu is a deadbolt lock to be a type A.
cmon Abreu
C’mon A-rod give Mo some breathing room….
Finally Giambi in the 9th spot. Since he came thru at #9, leaving him there wouldn’t be a bad idea. Better would be to pass him thru waivers to see if any team stupid enough to put in a claim.
Off the record a bit, but how about we pick up Jody Gerut to play center for us. It wouldn’t take more than perhaps a couple of solid prospects for him. He’s slugging well over .500 away from spacious Petco park and cheap. It would make Melky Cabrera expendable as well as one of Abreu, Damon, and Matsui. That’s of course if they pick up Abreu’s option and perhaps pull another Sheffield or Wright type of deal.
Francona always seems to switch pitchers before A-Rod to try and freeze him.
time……FOR…..CHOKE-ROD !!!
Pitching isn’t it? who they brining in?
I stay away all day and come in to this how exciting! A-Rod with a chance to solidify himself as undisputed number 1 choke artist.
A-rod homer anyone
“How ironic would it be if Arod hits a game winning homer?”
I think we are ALL thinking that same thing right now. And hoping so hard.
Didn’t finish……
And it usually seems to work.
This game really doesn’t mean anything however. If yesterday wasn’t a blow out maybe it would but given the outcome it doesn’t matter.
By the way I think that the curtain call for G was more a collective sigh of relief than it was love of G. Anyone would have gotten a curtain call at that moment.
He will homer off Masterson, or they will hit him again..
Once again, the Red Sox have a chance to knock out the Yankees early and make things easy on themselves down the stretch. And once again, the Red Sox are letting the Yankees off the hook.
NICE…Green light on the 2-0 and FEEL THE BREEZE !
Fredo-
Abreu has to be in top 20% to be classified as Type A,of all OF’ers/DH/1stB lumped together. The Elias Sports Bureau will compile years 2007 and this year to determine, but I don’t see him as a lock.
Anything but an out Arod.
Please.
i’m contemplating turning off gameday and just watching the game on DVR when i get home later.
To me this matter’s, beat the Sox…………
Watch the K on that slider low and away.
OUCH
reminds me of 06!
Okay but at least he didn’t leave anyone on base. We have to make our own good luck in the bottom of the 9th.
Can someone take this team off of life-support already. Enough faux optimism.
AGHHH……..C’mon Mo hold them…
a-rod you are pathetic.
WoW. Another strike out. How bout they bench him?
Timothy Clougher
August 28th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
“He will homer off Masterson, or they will hit him again..”
And what a tremendous homer it was Timothy!
Too easy, too predictable.
I think A-Rod is taking this treat every game like the Playoffs stuff too seriously…at least he didn’t ground into a double play.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Overrated cmon cant you take a walk nice for you to phail at strike 3
and what a GREAT pitch to strike out on, Alex….only about a foot outside….GOOD EYE !
AROD, pathetic. I am sick of Lester & Masterson. How can we not hit these guys ??????
Big shock Pete points Arod going 0-3. Im actually suprised he didn’t blame Arod for not hitting 3 home runs and driving in 12 runs last night.
What would be ironic is if Giambi get’s the game winning hit from the 9th spot in the order.
irony:
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
Justin Masterson-latest whiz kid to master “the greatest home run hitter to be of all time, or the “greatest home run hitter in his own mind.”
Nice day when the Yankees are basically down to their final “breath” of the season, ALEX ! o for 4 with 3 Ks and a Pop Out….YOU RULE…MR. MVP !!!
What is that, 3 Ks today? Poor Alex! He’s ready for next season to start so that he can start over.
wow, you’d think a-rod made all 3 outs in the 8th by the comments here…
IMO, Abreu is exactly the kind of player the Yanks need to transition into picks or prospects: aging, bad fielder, losing speed. (And I really hate watching him not catch balls near the wall.)
I swear.
A-Rod’s just not that bad. The man’s got to get his head on straight.
Hey I was hoping, for the homer………..what can I say.
A-Rod is such a sucker for that down and away breaking ball. You’d think he’d learn not to swing at those at some point.
And, if Arod were a REAL Yankee he would have had the leadership qualities to help his teamates get on base ahead of him so his 3 home runs would have driven in 12 runs.
trade him
not cool jeter.
Another EPIC FAIL by ACHOKE.
Hey when the game is on I will pull for these guy’s, I have my whole life.
Now after the game I will voice my opinion as a fan…
Right now GO MO…
And there it is, A-Rod’s buddy choking! A-Rod is a joke, but Jeter has been even more pathetic.
jeter, time to move to CF
Arod strikes out on a pitch 3 feet out of the strikezone and now Jeter makes an error on a routine play.
These guys spend an awful lot of time finding ways to lose games.
Veteran players, some of whom are Hall of Famers, who simply are unable at this point in their career’s to get it done.
I think if A-Rod had a good game today Peter would had hung himself.
Jeter an error, was it a tough play?
Wish you could have heard that fool Orsillo. I was sure this ball was gone. He was almost crying he was so excited.
my nuts hurt
“irony:
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.”
I thought it was like rain, on a wedding day – no?
Is there anything in that song that is ironic?
I’ve stopped watching because well you know Mo in a tied game is like the diet version of Mo. The fact is this team needed to win all 3 and now they are struggling to avoid the sweep, no more excuses can be made for this team.
Ok there 1 down…need a DP ball…
Tim I think Jeter just overthrew the ball. He probably had a little more time than he thought.
Arod stinks so bad…the pitcher that gets paid to get him out succeded. That is supposed to be impossible since Arod make more money, and everyone knows if you make 30 million, you should never get out, you should never make an error, and you should get KILLED by your own fans for “only” hitting .310 with almost 30 home runs with a month of season left.
YOU GUYS ARE INSANE.
saucy-”I’m contemplating turning off gameday and just watching the game on DVR when I get home later.”
I did that last night and had to watch the 7 run Bosox inning. My advice to you. Walk away now and read about it in the papers tomorrow. You’ll probably sleep better!!
So are you going to post about every single bad series a player on this team has, Pete? You know, to be fair?
was a semi-tough play. weak grounder to his right, across the body throw.
let,giambi,pudge,pavano,ponson,pettitte,abraeu,mussina go,trade damon and matsui,sign sabathia,lackey,sheets,crawford,dh posada,nady in right.bring up cervelli,hughes,kennedy,ajax right now and tell them to go out and just play and get experience,no pressure.so you are letting more than 113 million dollars go and replacing it with approx 65 million and have to find an outfielder,catcher,first baseman.
“Veteran players, some of whom are Hall of Famers, who simply are unable at this point in their career’s to get it done.”
Should they both just retire? Not getting it done and being unable to get it done are really 2 different things.
This game reminds me of the mantra from a few weeks back. The 2008 NY Yankees “Finding creative and new ways to lose everyday.”
The real shame is this team wasted one of Mo’s best years. He would have been money in the post season.
giambi flashing some leather there.
Nice heads up move by Giambi.
crawford and lackey have options which will undoubtedly be picked up by their respective teams
hey 2 down….c’mon MO…
Ya’ll are a bunch of A-Rod front runners.
When hes bad you hate him. When he’s good you say “thats what he’s sappose to do”, so you hate him not so much.
JESUS CHRIST ! it’s a lose-lose situation.
mo can pitch in a tied game
who knew
Oh no, runner in scoring position. Here comes the rbi blooper, and down goes our season.
Yes!
Now score for us Yanks! Even sweeter if it’s off Crapelpants.
lol time for papppelbon getto another loss.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The greatest Closer ever………thank you…
Wonder how Pete will forgive that error by Jeter. I’m sure somehow it was Arod fault.
Tim, the only thing tough about the ball to Jeter was that he had to throw it straight. It’s his biggest fault. Making the easy throws straight.
Hopefully ER can make another prediction about our inability to score in the 9th – he or she is always so dead on!
where is brett ganerder?
Ok just 1 run……….just 1……….it’s not a tall order
I love the Yankees have signed 10,000 left relievers to get Ortiz out. All Boston has to do is call up the Batboy from AAA to pitch to Arod.
Get off Pete’s case
It can be argued that Giambi and Arods seasons were close. They are very close in homers and RBI but Arod has a big edge in batting average while Giambi has a big edge in the clutch situations.
Arod has the huge edge because he is a much better player than Giambi.
So, if we are going to blast Giambi then you need to blast Arod
I’ve never booed Arod once. It’s pointless. The guy is harder on himself than any of us ever could be on him.
I don’t boo any players at the games, although I’ve felt more than compelled to boo Cano this season since he’s looked so unfocused/undisciplined all year.
GreenBeret7:
Darn, at least it didn’t cost us..
A bomb by the X-Man right here would be nice.
Papelcrap not in.
“Giambi has a big edge in the clutch situations.”
lol wut? Today opposite day or something?
Why no T-Bone ???
Is scary how Pete fails to even mention Jeter’s mistakes. But is all over A-Rod constantly. I call that A$$ licking I don’t know about you.
Somehow I still sense a loss from this constipated offense.
actually, nvm…clearly it is opposite day since Giambi came through today.
“I love the Yankees have signed 10,000 left relievers to get Ortiz out. All Boston has to do is call up the Batboy from AAA to pitch to Arod.”
Sad, but true.
Yes X
Wonder if they’ll put Papelcrap in at any point.
COME ON YANKEES!!!!!
Gardner in at first.
If Jeter could correct that flaw…throwing on easy outs, he might not have the greatest range, but, he’d only have 3 or 4 errors a year. When he has to make a quick throw, he’s great.
Cano bunting?
C’mon Robbie……..
Now Cano is trying to bunt?
With Arod out of the way and now chance he`ll bat soon, we will win
Oh man Robby…
Probably can’t drop a bunt anyway.
Red Sox obviously have the better bullpen, maybe the best in the AL.
It IS pretty amusing that Girardi is managing this like the 7th game of the WS.
Brett has two primary jobs here. Don’t get picked off and don’t fall down.
I won’t ever get into Cano’s job here. Too late.
cano will now get a hit after taking 2 strikes trying to bunt
wow that was a laser.
Robbie Cano – Can’t Bunt, Don’t Ya Know?
There is a good strategy…stand up there and take strikes down the middle while the fastest dude on the team stays put on 1st base…..GENIUS JOE…GENIUS JOE !!!
Smoothie, you are kidding right? Check Giambi clutch stats once…
.200 with RISP?
.203 with 2 outs and RISP?
.117 in “Late and Close” games?
haha we pulled a roberts.
Speed kills.
why are the umpires only calling outside pitches strikes to yankee batters?
It would be sweet for Sui to end this after all of his sacrifices to get back to help the Yanks. Listening baseball gods?
AND GARDNER STEALS!!!
Why is Gardner not stealing? Clueless Joe strikes again.
All of these guys that Boston call up look like they are 12, yet they produce better than any of our 15-30 million per year guys.
Someone tell me why Girardi isn’t a moron.
You put your pinch runner on who should steal, then let Cano hit him over to 3rd and let Matsui with the game with a fly ball.
Instead he has Cano bunting from strike one when you have a guy who can steal a bag in his sleep?
I don’t know why no bunt…
PUDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More genius from Girardi.
Having Cano waste an at bat with this bunt crap.
You are telling me whe couldn’t steal with Cano batting? Girardi needs to go.
Guess not dammit!
It would be a nice moment for Pudge to become an official Yankee, if you know what I mean.
marte and bruney are the 2 best relievers and they are gone. mo is probably done for the day too
if we don’t score, it is veras/britton/edwar time, which means runs for boston. or alfred aceves making his debut and giving up 5 runs in 0.1 of an inning.
papelbon in to shut the door, game over.
must win it right here.
Ut-oh…pudge is up. The newest GIDP guy…
Can the curse come thru??????
You know, everyone was soooooo excited that Ransom was in there instead of Giambi. But, IRONICALLY, it took Ransom AND Giambi, working together, to tie this game up.
And it’s not just irony; it’s teamwork.
“why are the umpires only calling outside pitches strikes to yankee batters?”
because they hate the yankees… duh
If I had money, I’d bet on a pudge DP.
Funny it will be jason from the 9th spot…or c’mon I-rod
“wow that was a laser.”
I forget if it is CB or Patrick who promotes the ‘Cano has been unlucky’ line. As a member of the pro-Cano camp I’ve gotta believe there is at least something to it.
I smell a DP.
Girardi must be an idiot. He was having Cano bunt with an automatic base stealer on 1st. Does this guy know anything?
The curse of the late inning RISP Rodriguez will rear its ugly head….GIDP….coming RIGHT UP !
cano doesn’t even know how to hold the bat to bunt…
you’d think they’d cover that at some point…
gardner needs to steal 3rd and home when masterson isin’t looking.
Gardner needs to steal 3rd.
Pudge I haven’t been down on you once. I have my money on you. Please don’t disappoint me…
steal 3rd and home
LOL
Cool beans.
I knew this was going to happen. Coward Francoma gets that ugly freak in the game.
walk off grandslam?
papelbutt is coming in.
Here comes fish-bowl.
Giambi uses a different bat for Papelbon? He just switched bats when they made the change.
Ok Jason please have a good eye…or a fly ball to the OF….
Paps vs. ‘Stache for all the pretend marbles!
Unfortunately, here comes the big popout.
i’d love a wild pitch and gardner score…
PAPELBUM!
Well you were all wrong with your DP. Now how about some good vibrations here!
LEAN INTO ONE
LETS GO YANKEES LETS GO YANKEES LETS GO YANKEES
I can hear the stadium chant…
1 win out of 3 is complete failure IMO. However a Giambi walk off versus pucker mouth would be nice.
pinch hit the switch hitter betemit for giambi
who will pitch for the yanks next inning?
Guys, wouldn’t you love to see Giambi squeeze? I know he can’t bunt. I wish the Yankees had someone on the team in this situation who was an exceptional bunter.
When was the last time the Yankees squeezed?
“Giambi uses a different bat for Papelbon? He just switched bats when they made the change.”
a driver, i hope!
Gee ya know this couldn’t have played out more sweetly if it goes our way. Papelcrap and all.
Please baseball gods.
Jason all you need is a deep fly out baby…
Let’s do it against Papelbon, give his confidence a little rattle before he leaves NY.
Give me a suicide squeeze!
Come on all. What has this team done to make you think they would fail here with bases loaded?
elevate a ball somewhere out of the infield and let Brett’s feet fly
*prays for an opposite field hit*
I can’t watch.
i would use rasner in the top of the 10th
Papelscum w/ basesloaded, doe Terry really need this game that badly ?
which is better papelbum or pimplebut
BWAHAHAHA! Crapplebon sucks!!!
Oh my goodness gracious.
hoorah!
For one day, we can feel good again
PapelPANSY !…thanks, DUDE !
Too bad this game means absolutely nothing.
I don’t think I’ve seen Giambi hit a liner to left center all year.
No pose from Papelbon today!
Giambi carried the team!
Not in defense of A-Rod.
He opted out of a lucrative contract. He did so not to help the team but to enrich himself. He did so after a “MVP” season placing the Yankee management in a no-win situation. They could not let him go and risk the wrath of the fans. (You know, those homers that blindly follow him and think he’s the “greatest.”) Signing him has proven (and will continue to be) one of the worst deals ever. At least American Idle doesn’t go on these search and destroy missions of Yankee aspirations.
A-Rod has brought all of this on himself. He deserves every drop of venom poured on him by the fans. We may as well consign ourselves to 9 more years of the wilderness. A-Rod is a curse, malevolent spirit that brings failure to all he touches. He is the reincarnation of General Burnside, able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Is it too late to hop on the Cubs bandwagon? Would I trade Sweet Lou and Soriano for our enfants terrible? In a heartbeat.
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you Yankees!
Thank you Jason!
Thank you Brett!!!!
Any one else crying at this moment?
unboo!!!! unboo! unboo!
“which is better papelbum or pimplebut”
papelsmear…
Yes Giambi in the 9th hole…………………………..
So, from now on let’s keep Giambi hitting on that 9-slot.
Wow. Glad to see Boston and Papelbon lose on the last game vs. the Red Sox at Yankee Stadium. Even if this was a house money game for Boston.
Way to go Giambino! Cue the Frank Sinatra version.
and we remain on life support, with the “last rights” put off for another day…
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
That’s it — Stache needs to bat 9th from here on out!
This italian kid is good – they should bat him 5th
Giambi? Jason Giambi? Maybe he should come off the bench every night.
Big g has his swing going…began with the homer in the 9th tues night
Hey, we won a game.
“Too bad this game means absolutely nothing.”
To you pal. To you.
the BIg GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG delivers a W for the Yanks way to keep it alive Yankees bring on the though test in Burnett and Halladay
“A-Rod is a curse, malevolent spirit that brings failure to all he touches. He is the reincarnation of General Burnside, able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.”
You need therapy.
k man -
let aceves make his debut in the top 0f the 10th.
Pappelpuss!
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.
Seemed like “Casey at te Bat” with Giambi taking two strikes.
Wow…we’ve said it before but can a win like this finally ignite this team???
Law of averages – Arod, Giambi, Irod – They have to heat up (with runners in scoring position) at some point right?…Maybe they saved it all for September…
nice Giambi predictions, Peter !
Trisha,
I’m crying too….but I think for different reasons!!
Well guys this was great, I’m done today we beat the Sox on there last day for the regular season in NY…
Nice chatting with everyone…
That was huge. Shows this team still has some fight left in them.
Like I said Giambi has found his niche in the #9 spot-Go Yanks!!
Earlier it was mentioned that you had to have a player decline arbitration to net draft picks. That’s one way-the other being if your FA is signed by another team before 12/02/08.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
REALLY?
Jesus get a grip the season is still F’ed.
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you Yankees!
Thank you Jason!
Thank you Brett!!!!
Any one else crying at this moment?
Tomorrow’s lineup:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5. Giambi
6.
7.
8.
9.
Prepare yourself now if that’s upsetting to you.
Are the Mets headed to the playoffs, Pete?
According to a recent discussion which I found ridiculous, Boston should actually be glad it lost this game. Otherwise, it would go into its next series all drained and proceed to be swept.
Big G comes through for us again. Great win by the Yankees
how did he win it ?
I am glad to see there was not an excessive celebration… we have nothing to be proud of losing 2/3 and the season is still over. However, it was nice to do it off Papelbon, but I’m glad the players know they stole one and not to be too happy.
Okay, I officially declare this season on again!
YES IT IS!!!
Big G the big hero.
The Yankees won all six of Moose’s starts in August, even though he only picked up 3 Ws.
Well, maybe I should give up on players more often. Great Game for Jason!
Another ND for Mussina, but silver lining – no loss. And a lot better way for the last game between these two at the Stadium to end.
We have all seen enough of A Rod here. He needs to be traded.
“Is it too late to hop on the Cubs bandwagon?”
Nope. Off you go.
Trisha -
I’m feeling a bit manic-depressive, you too????
Or schizophrenic. Whichever.
“Trisha,
I’m crying too….but I think for different reasons!!”
LOL – Very funny ray – you got what you needed out of this series sir.
DO NOT PULL OUT THAT FEEDING TUBE!!!1
DO NOT PULL THE PLUG ON THAT HEART & LUNG MACHINE.
JUDGE GIAMBI HAS RULED.
RAGE RAGE RAGE AGAINST THE DYING OF THE LIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!
Ray what kind of weirdo are you posting in a Yankee forum daily?
This is how Girardi should be used… as a pinch hitter late in the game.
““Too bad this game means absolutely nothing.â€
To you pal. To you.”
It must be nice to live in a fantasy land. We needed a sweep and barely avoided the sweep with our best pitcher on the mound! I wonder how everyone will feel when we drop another 2 of 3 to Burnett and Halladay.
good win.. Giambi deserves props he should still be gone.
I especially liked Cano’s AB!!!!!!!!!Really is he mentally challenged??? The guy is a middle infielder that not only cannot bunt he does not know how to hold the bat to bunt.. Girardi has nothing to work with on this team, a lot of guys on this team with low baseball IQ’s.
Cano way to come thru in the 9th, you piece of – - – - .
Just go down fighting that is all I ask, play hard to the end.
I WILL BE AT THE GAME TOMMORROW, FLYING IN FROM CALI. TONIGHT ON THE RED EYE. SECTION 39 IN THE RF bleachers. then behind homeplate for saturdays game…
Finally, I have something in common with John Sterling.
After Suzyn Waldman interview Player of the Game, Jason Giambi, she said what she always says, which is always annoying: “OK, John, I’ll be back upstairs in a few minutes.”
To which Sterling replied, with irritation:
“OK, Suzyn, when you do… I’ll be right here.”
Doreen, oh yeah! I am between crying and laughing. I am so in love with our guys again. And once again they have given me hope. So I’m going with it.
I think we all have to be feeling the same way about the win anyway. Hearing Frankie belt out NY NY absolutely put me away!!!
You guys are all right, Arod has had a terrible year. Over .300, near 30 home runs, solid defense as a third baseman. They are a dime a dozen. Poor guy has ONLY hit .250 with RISP, which is way below his career average. Based on this, we should definitely get rid of him.
YOU PEOPLE ARE INSANE.
Thank you kindly Giambi. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!
I kinda feel bad about bashing him in my display name now, but he did his thing with that in my name so I aint changing it now!
I don’t care if this win means nothing in terms of postseason hopes. Every win means something to me. Big G finally came through, Brett rocks (AND SHOULD PLAY MORE!!!!) Mo is the G.O.A.T. and the Moose is the ketchup on my french fries. Wish we could have gotten him the win
I still say trade him to Philly if he wants to go there. Let him win his 20, dont hold him back here any longer though hopefully he would re-sign with us next year and not them!
Seeing Rivera W, Papelbon L in the box score will be a thing of beauty.
Let’s not get too excited here, yes the Yankees stole a game, but they will need to go on a long, long winning streak to possibly get back in the race. Two of the next three vs. the BJ’s against Halladay and Burnett and then a grueling 4 city 10 day road trip with no off day. If the Yankees go 10-3 through that trip to get to 81-65, then we can get excited again.
“Ray what kind of weirdo are you posting in a Yankee forum daily?”
but Ray is my favorite kind of weirdo
“It must be nice to live in a fantasy land. We needed a sweep and barely avoided the sweep with our best pitcher on the mound! I wonder how everyone will feel when we drop another 2 of 3 to Burnett and Halladay.”
You’d have to leave hell first to get there.
I don’t particularly care if you think we’re cooked or not. I am once again hopeful. Just part of the way I am always able to view things. And unless we’re mathematically eliminated we’re still in it.
Thank you!
Trisha -
Really, what else is there to do?????
Save the A-Rod slaughter for tomorrow and just enjoy the win today.
“I WILL BE AT THE GAME TOMMORROW, FLYING IN FROM CALI. TONIGHT ON THE RED EYE. SECTION 39 IN THE RF bleachers. then behind homeplate for saturdays game…”
so if we see “on field delay” on our gamedays, we know its you!?
Tough to put your ace closer in that type of spot, but Francona really didn’t have a choice.
Thanks to Giambi, but this was long overdue, IMO.
Nady rocks for getting that inning going, what a pick-up.
We live to fight another day! GO YANKS!
“Wow, we said it before, but can a win like this finally ignite the team???”
No:
1. A-Rod struck out 3 times and popped out with a runner on 3rd and 1 out.
2. We have only one dependable starter.
3. The bullpen, once a strength, is overworked.
4. We have not made any waiver deals to pick up a starter, like Paul Byrd who has 6 wins in last 7 starts and is a FA.
This means the Steinbrenners have told Cashman, that they play the season with the 210M team they already have and don’t ask for any more until the offseason, when, according to Hank, and probably Hal, there will be major changes, which I’m taking to mean that the money saved from dumping Giambi,Abreu,Pavano,I-Rod,Hawkins,Ensberg,Pettitte salaries will be used elsewhere.
I just want to share this little thing – while the game was going on, I was cleaning my house – taking time out to visit the game. And all the while, as gloomy as it seemed, there was this little Monty Python-ish voice inside my head saying:
“We’re not dead yet.”
“You’d have to leave hell first to get there.”
I have no idea what that means, I’m a Christian.
Secondly what is with the Suzyn Waldman-esque reaction from everyone at Lohud. Keep this is context was it a good win? Yes . Does this make up for the 2 losses against the immortal Tim Wakefield and Paul Byrd? No.
This is the type of win that can be a spring-board to greatness.
I would so love to see Giambi down in the lineup. Maybe it takes pressure off him!
I wish I could be as happy as some of you but I am a huge Moose fan and always have been, and MAN does that hurt for him to not get the W. I am still thrilled about this victory though, but it’s a little bittersweet. Moose is probably feeling the same way. He should be so proud of himself though. He pitched a good game as always this year. Why can’t he get the wins though?!?!?!
It’s such a depressing stat that someone just posted, how the Yankees are undefeated in his August starts yet he has only won half of them. Unluckiest pitcher in baseball
HOF voters better open their damn eyes when his time comes. Moose = HOF with 20 wins or without them.
People… we still suck.
But Al, it is possible that we will come back. So we certainly have the right to go with that. Look what happened to the Mets last year. A combination of our good fortune and other teams pummeling each other could help.
Those who really want A-rod gone – pray that new Cubs ownership is willing to work out a trade for him. A reunion with Pinella, a chance to hit in Wrigley – hey… it’s possible.
Those who don’t, well, don’t expect the guy to change. He’ll give you the numbers over 162, but will frustrate you to heck when it counts.
I was listening to the game – not watching – but is it clear that Cano was really trying to bunt and not bluffing to give Gardner a better chance to steal the base?
yea if I go after one of these stupid umps it is me….
1st game ever in the bleachers.. going to the US open in the morning with my dad and going to the baseball game with my brother and father…
go down fighting, show pride that is all I ask..
Cano see a mental Dr. he is clueless….
Good win. I betcha Bobby Lupo was proud.
Dude, there is no reason IMO to constantly discuss what each W or L means in terms of the playoffs, after each game. How much more do we need to see before we’re all certain this isn’t a playoff team. Can’t we just enjoy the wins for what they are when they happen, rather than always talking about the playoff implications.
Yankees are not trading A-Rod to anyone, anywhere. Resigning him was about money and personal records, NOT championships.
“But Al, it is possible that we will come back. So we certainly have the right to go with that. Look what happened to the Mets last year. A combination of our good fortune and other teams pummeling each other could help.”
I agree Trish. Its just with this team I feel a bit skeptical. They haven’t given any of us reason to believe IMO.
Does Pavano pitch against Burnett? Two old buddies from the Marlins.
If Burnett elects to opt out of his contract, given that the offering money was equal from competing teams, why would he want to sign with the Yankees, since he’s guaranteed 3-4 wins a season against them. Wouldn’t he sign with Boston to be with his pal Burkett, replacing Schilling money coming off the books!!!!!
I am really looking forward to the makeup game in Detroit on Memorial Day. I want to see Pudge come up with the bases loaded, down by 1 and 2 outs facing Farnsworth.
yea the Cubs will pay for Arod, they have aramis who is way more clutch then afraud..
No one will pay $300 mill. for any player, the Yanks bid against themselves on arod…
Paps doesn’t get the loss, Masterson does.
And Al, it doesn’t take baseball genius to realize that this win was much more important emotionally than it will probably end up being in any other sense. Games 1 and 2 in this series made this one much less important.
Still, if we’d lost today, we’d be truly dead, and since we won we’re just almost truly dead. Is it your purpose in life to wait until someone says something hopeful on here and then remind them how wrong you are?
It’s great being the voice of reason and all, but every single time?
I’m just happy to send the Sox off with a loss and because I, for whatever reason, took the Yanks to win this game.
Mo, Ray is one of the better poster to slide in under the door. He’s had more positive posts about the Yanks than a third of this board has. His only problem is paying off on bets. To get out of his bets, he’d rather bribe the umpires than fork over the beer and booze. Just a guess, but, he sounds like a politician to me.
Also, in my mind, Mo is still winning the Cy Young (yeah I’m a homer, what?) But if Cliff Lee does win it then Moose better get Comeback POY! That greedy bastid cant have both that and the Cy Young!
sorry, how wrong *they* are.
I have a solution to the Girardi issue: Larry Bowa.
Al
I admit I can be delusional.
And easily influenced. 
I know it’s not realistic, but it was a fun win, whether it does anything or not.
Listen, even Dan Graziano of the Star Ledger refuses to officially count the Yankees out because he’s done so in the past and been wrong.
Giambi will be remembered for this game. Last Sox game at the stadium… Good for him.
BBB
Moose has had a great year. The kindest jesture we could make to him now would be to pass him thru waivers with the agreement that, if traded, it would only be to a contending AL team, which might give him the chance at 20 wins for the 1st time in his career. We could always bring him back as FA!
“I agree Trish. Its just with this team I feel a bit skeptical. They haven’t given any of us reason to believe IMO.”
Al I absolutely agree with you. But as you see I am very easy to reel back in.
Note to Papelsmear: not in our house you don’t!
“And Al, it doesn’t take baseball genius to realize that this win was much more important emotionally than it will probably end up being in any other sense. Games 1 and 2 in this series made this one much less important.
Still, if we’d lost today, we’d be truly dead, and since we won we’re just almost truly dead. Is it your purpose in life to wait until someone says something hopeful on here and then remind them how wrong you are?
It’s great being the voice of reason and all, but every single time?
I’m just happy to send the Sox off with a loss and because I, for whatever reason, took the Yanks to win this game.”
Your right. Nick I just feel its too little, too late. Watching pucker-mouth take the L was nice however.
AL – Cashman didn’t want Bowa on the staff… he let him go before Girardi was even hired. Yet he made sure he retained Pena, Thompson, and Long.
Boneheaded decision by Cashman.
BBB – the good news is that Moose still has opportunities to get to 20. Of course he’ll need the offense behind him.
Hey, this is actually the first time in a while I will be able to have a night with a totally clear head! Nice to win the day game!!!
Things I’d love to see the rest of the way:
1) Take three from the Sox in Fenway, perhaps spoil their WC aspirations
2) Moose get to 20
3) Cano concentrate on EVERY pitch both in the field and at bat (or I’m ready to see him go)
4) Mo
5) Billy Crystal Pinch Hit for A-Rod with a runner on third and less than three outs
Theres no crying in baseball!!! Some of you are acting like we won the W.S. Its one game. Yes i think the magic number is being 5 behind by the first. But to fall in love with this performance is a bit much. Giambi showed up clutch. But once again the others that are expected to perform did not. Consistancy is what playoff teams are. Right now we are far from it. Can that change? Cant answer that. But what i do know is the clock is ticking and we dont have an easy remaining schedule.
Stuart,
Have fun in NY. Im in cali also and havnt had a chance to watch them in the Stadium. Lucky you.
Johhny D
Giambi will be remembered by only a few. The last Yankee to hit a homer in Yankee Stadium will be remembered!
would giambi accept a bench roll next year? if he does i would re-sign him.
missed the game traveling down to DC.
I’m usually one of the Negative Nellies on here but I’m pleased they didn’t totally roll over today.
I delared em dead last night but there is a glimmer of light still. 28 games to make up 3 games and we have a chance going into the last weekend.
And is it does come down to that, I’ll be posting from somewhere under my bed.
Im headed over to the park to say hello to our 2 old friends Torre and Manny. The Odd Couple.
Aceves needs to be our starter on Saturday….NOT RASNER…Let’s see if Genius Joe (LOL) can screw this up, too !
Chad Pennington will throw for 354 yards, 4 TDs 0 INTs against the Jets
It very likely is too little too late, but even if we don’t make it, who knows, this could have been the loss that ends up keeping the Sox out?
Having said that, I’m not yet at the place where I’m going to root FOR the Twins and CWS to win. Not as long as we have a theoretical/mathematical chance.
Anyway, we won the chance to dream on.
Why did Materson get the loss.Shouldn’t Paplebon get the loss.He gave up the game winning single?
Those were Masterson’s runners.
OK…if there’s a disturbance in Section 39 tomorrow night, we can surmise that when it’s over, there will be a bloody blob there. Headlines tomorrow: Stuart Little Becomes Road Kill at Yankee Stadium….Creatures Swear It’s Justifiable Homicide. Police Concur, No Charges Filed
“Cano way to come thru in the 9th, you piece of – - – - .”
i think thats probably the hardest he has ever hit the ball.
Hey, it may not be enough to save the season, but it’s way more than enough to save the day.
Thank you for your sterling predictions yet again ER.
And all you other whiners who think it’s so important that you call the demise of your team in August, apparently so you can claim to be right about something. Still just makes you quitters. Anyone can be realistic – I’m realistic. Doesn’t make me want my team to fail.
So Al from BK, go back to flipping your Whoppers.
Just using you as an example for the type, Al – it’s not personal. And you’re far from the worst example.
Papelbon doesn’t get the loss but he doesn’t get the fist pump either!
It was masterson’s runner – his earned run that lost the game.
It looks like Giambi has comparable numbers this year as Arod, except batting average.
Although it looks like after today Giambi has more RBI in todays game in the 8th and 9th inning than Arod has had all year.
“Chad Pennington will throw for 354 yards, 4 TDs 0 INTs against the Jets”
I’m a Jets fan and I’m not sure if Chad has ever thrown 350 yards. He wont get near that against Revis and Rhodes.
i’d DFA ponson and trade pavano
i would let aceves take pavano’s spot, hughes can take ponson’s spot, and rasner can stay in the rotation until joba comes back then he can be the long man
“Mo, Ray is one of the better poster to slide in under the door. He’s had more positive posts about the Yanks than a third of this board has. His only problem is paying off on bets. To get out of his bets, he’d rather bribe the umpires than fork over the beer and booze.”
GreenBeret,
Agreed. Ray is always welcomed. Iv always said he is a Yankee closet fan. But lets be carefull what we wish for. He might fork over the beer and booze from the very likes of nypd113. Ill take him bribing the umps instead.
>Those who really want A-rod gone – pray that new Cubs ownership is willing to work out a trade for him. A reunion with Pinella, a chance to hit in Wrigley – hey… it’s possible.
Will Stuart tell everyone in his section what morons they are?
“Hey, it may not be enough to save the season, but it’s way more than enough to save the day.
Thank you for your sterling predictions yet again ER.
And all you other whiners who think it’s so important that you call the demise of your team in August, apparently so you can claim to be right about something. Still just makes you quitters. Anyone can be realistic – I’m realistic. Doesn’t make me want my team to fail.
So Al from BK, go back to flipping your Whoppers.
Just using you as an example for the type, Al – it’s not personal. And you’re far from the worst example.”
Your words really hurt me. Just for your information I prefer Wendy’s, that frosty gets me everytime!
Nick White Sox are playing the Sux next. You don’t root for the White Sox????? We need to get past the Sux also.
We can win a game amazing
Only once, Nick.
marte has looked good the last couple of times and we finally have someone who can neutralize ortiz.
>Those who really want A-rod gone – pray that new Cubs ownership is willing to work out a trade for him. A reunion with Pinella, a chance to hit in Wrigley – hey… it’s possible.
Have they got a bag of Cheetos to spare? Please pass the cheese!
One definition of insanity is to perform the same action continuously and expect a different outcome. So while the athletic supporters of ARod expect a different outcome, (success) the detractors are the ones who are insane… Okey Dokey
9 years in the wilderness, on the bright side, it’s not a generation! Oh, and I remember well 1965 – 1975, and 1982 – 1995 so the wilderness is not unfamiliar territory.
Pardon the duplicate, this board doesn’t support standard HTML codes and so ate the first response.
I am glad we were able to increase Okijima’s ERA. Order is restored.
Of course root for the White Sox against the Red Sox.
Use your whole brain!
“would giambi accept a bench roll next year? if he does i would re-sign him.”
Noooo!!! Girardi would end up squeezing him in the lineup and guess where he would bat? You got it. Right behind our franchise. A few years ago they said he would be strickly dh and it didnt stick for long. Just say Hasta la vista Giambi in 09.
just in time, steve, just in time
Yankee Trader, I totally agree on sending Moose to a contender, I just hope he wouldn’t like it there so much that he wouldn’t want to come back next year! but he deserves a real chance at 20.
It seemed to me that Hank’s quotes from last week served as a way to publicly concede this season, so I wonder if the FO has tossed this idea around at all. I think Philly is the best place for him. Would put them over the top in the div. and I’m sure Gillick would be grateful and send something decent back. would be great if it could be a PTBNL which turned into Chris Coste after the season was over. Also, if this actually happened, can you hear the Met fans crying already? lol.
If only it were the Sux ahead of us by themselves, we have to worry about the Twinkies. I have no idea how that team makes a run every year but they do.
How is ESPn and Fox Sports see The Red Sox as this great world series contending team and the Yankees with no chance in hell(even though you can blame the Yankees for that)
Beckett is seeing Dr.Andrews(*Thunder*) and The Red Sox pitching staff has been horrible and they don’t have homerun playoffs record holding Manny.Theres a good chance the Red Sox,Yankees and Mets won’t make the playoffs.
“Use your whole brain!”
Thanks!
When we are eliminated from the playoffs, do we still try to win?
or do we play spring training type games where results don’t really matter and we test guys in tough spots (i.e leaving in Joba with the bases loaded up by 1 in the 7th instead of going to the pen)?
MoBoy – very true. And the Yanks have a great opportunity of spoiling Boston’s chances that last series of the season.
I’m rooting for the Twins do to well, just so we can knock Boston out of it in Fenway.
I don’t think we can leap-frog Minnesota and Boston. So what’s second-best? Helping to knock out your biggest rival.
“How is ESPn and Fox Sports see The Red Sox as this great world series contending team and the Yankees with no chance in hell(even though you can blame the Yankees for that)
Beckett is seeing Dr.Andrews(*Thunder*) and The Red Sox pitching staff has been horrible and they don’t have homerun playoffs record holding Manny.Theres a good chance the Red Sox,Yankees and Mets won’t make the playoffs.”
Its ESPN, the official network of New England sports.
Listen I’m glad that Giambi made sure the Red Sox didn’t win this last game at the stadium btw Derek Jeter according to Sterling WCBS radio is the star of the game (I guess he’s on drugs)
Anyway it’s good that Giambi got that hit but sell him to a team while the stock is high, don’t fool yourselves w/ this team, they died 10:24 P.M. last night.
“BBB – the good news is that Moose still has opportunities to get to 20. Of course he’ll need the offense behind him”
Right on, and I wholeheartedly believe Moose will do his part every time out – wish I could say I had the same confidence in the offense behind him (or the defense for that matter!) though.
I didn’t almost cry when the Yankees won this game, but I almost get choked up thinking about the season Moose is having. After those “experts” on ESPN were practically straight up eulogizing his career last year. To come back against all odds and carry this rotation, to put 10+ years of stubbornness and all his brainy Mussina pride aside to learn how to pitch inside and do it effectively, and resurrect his HOF career in the process. Guys like Randy Johnson can have all the K’s in the world but none of those one dimensional mental midgets could ever, EVER reinvent themselves the way Moose did. I have so much admiration for what he has done, there are no words.
Sorry for the book but just had to throw that out there. LONG LIVE THE MOOSE!!!!!
“When we are eliminated from the playoffs, do we still try to win?”
We take the spoilers role and make sure that we take boston down with us in the final series of the year.
Let’s play a game called ‘What will Girardi lie about today’?
Yesterday he said Arod was clutch and he’s not.
on Monday he said there was no re-hab plan for Joba
Sunday he said Marte was fine when he was injured
So, what will he lie about today? Will he say that A-Rod swung the ball great?
“When we are eliminated from the playoffs, do we still try to win?”
Yes, you always try to win. However development of young players takes precedence over the general outcome. For example: Giving Aceves and Phil some starts, getting Coke some innings in relief and getting some new guys some AB’s like Ransom or Gardner.
i hate to say this (and sound like a sox fan of old), but if the yanks and sox both don’t make the playoffs, it will be so much easier to stomach this season. 2nd place in the east would be meaningless…
going home now. talk to you all tomorrow…
Got to agree — this season has totally sucked, but a smidgeon of salvation would come from knocking the sox out, too.
eh – season’s still over… shoulda taken game 1 too. Stick a fork in em – the Yanks are done. They couldn’t even get Moose the win. 6 starts left to get to 20. A wasted great start by him.
DC – Actually the White Sox don’t have a cakewalk schedule coming up so it is possible that Minny takes the division.
So the two teams we need to leapfrog are the Sux and the White Sux.
GO YANKEES!!!
“I didn’t almost cry when the Yankees won this game, but I almost get choked up thinking about the season Moose is having.”
BBB,
Im getting chocked up thinking Moose made ANTI MUSSINA dissapear from this blog. That was his biggest accomplishment of the year IMO.
“Beckett is seeing Dr.Andrews(*Thunder*)”
Where are you getting this from? I haven’t seen this reported anywhere.
““When we are eliminated from the playoffs, do we still try to win?â€
Yes, we try to win, and not just to fulfill a spoiler role – we’re better than that. Disappointing season or no, the New York Yankees are still the greatest franchise in the history of sports. The team needs to show their pride and play that way for all 162 games.*
*well, maybe it is a bit late for that, haha. But for the rest of the games anyway!
“Im getting chocked up thinking Moose made ANTI MUSSINA dissapear from this blog. That was his biggest accomplishment of the year IMO.”
do you honestly believe that poster is gone? (ER?)
Prediction
1-2 vs. TOR (lose to Halladay/Burnett again)
0-1 vs. DET (Ponson pitching)
1-2 vs. TAM (we’ll steal one)
2-1 vs. SEA (worst team in baseball)
0-3 vs. LAA (best team in baseball)
1-2 vs. TAM (we’re at home and will take one)
1-3 vs. CWS (they are battling for playoff position)
6-14 in the next 20.
I think my happiness here lies in totally ignoring Shecky Green on the west coast. Though if I were a coast away I’m sure I could be pretty blase about the team on the other coast and use every opportunity to make some weak joke.
SoS: LOL, I forgot all about that guy! There was also another brain surgeon that used to call himself Excussina or something like that – shockingly, he’s gone too. Guess we can add that to the Moose’s laundry list of accomplishments this year. Should we the Lohud bloggers all chip in to show our appreciation by sending him a case of Moosehead or something?
Joshua to see Dr.James “I’ll kill your career if it’s the las thing I do” Andrews
“do you honestly believe that poster is gone? (ER?)”
Saucy,
Cant be him. Anti was arguementive. ER just talks to himself.
The bases are juiced (no pun intendedl, really) for Giambi. He will face the very popular Jonathan Papelbon. The Yankee fans are wishing their worthy competitor well.
Now this is one funny guy! And he’s actually interested in the team and the game!!!
We have to remember that Pudge enabled that win by taking the walk. Though does anyone think that Gardner scores on that from second anyway seeing he’s so fast?
When RJ was on the Yanks, I loathed him (so did Moose) and always called him the Anti-Moose, or Moose the Anti-Unit. So by that logic, maybe last year’s Anti-Mussina was actually the Unit – had an awful lot of time on his hands during DL stints after all!
By the way, I told ya the Sux would do something classy at the end of the game – they lost it!
Until we get officially eliminated, we have to try to win just for show.
After that, no. Just like after we clinched a playoff spot in years past, we kind of had fun and let the kids play and tried to see what the young guys had…. same thing here.
Rest guys who are ailing like Marte, Matsui, Damon, Pettitte etc. Don’t strain MO either.
Let the younger guys like Veras, Edwar, Robertson, Hughes, Coke, Joba, Aceves etc. pitch in tough situations, don’t give them early hooks. See if they can get out of jams.
However, when we play Boston and assuming they have something on the line— take no prisoners. Play as hard as you can, treat it like game 7. Lineup your best pitchers, use MO for 2 innings, put the A lineup out there etc.
“Should we the Lohud bloggers all chip in to show our appreciation by sending him a case of Moosehead or something?”
BBB,
Absolutely not. He might get the wrong idea and feel like hes welcomed here. Didnt you read the rules? #1 Dont feed the trolls.
LOL, I just saw SNY has an exclusive interview with Hank.
How did the owner of the Yankees give an interview to his rival network?
That’s awesome.
14-6…NOT 6-14…BOOK IT, DAN-O !!!
What Derek Jeter did to Kim Jones was utterly hilarious. He should answer every single one of her dumb questions like he answered that one.
DFox…what happened ?
It was great.
Kim Jones is like (not exact, but for the most part) “Derek, did you guys get excited on the bench like the crowed did when Giambi hit the homerun?”
And Derek answers “No Kim, we didn’t notice it… I’m just playing.” “it” being the home run.
I’m glad he thought the question was dumb, come on, of course they got excited.
Trisha –
just to be fair – and support my co-Left Coaster – he’s one poster here who remains hopeful, just like you.
And BK Al – by the way, I largely agree with you on what to do for the remainder of the season if eliminated. Gotta give some kids – though I don’t think Ransom qualifies there but giving him PT to see if he fits in Betemit’s spot makes sense – a look. But mostly do that in games that don’t matter to other teams’ playoff chances. Gotta uphold the integrity of the game. 6 games against Baltimore and Toronto in late Sept – experiment m heavily there. But to that point you play your best – and the same for the ending in Boston if the games matter at all.
I’d like to see Wright, Patterson, and Kennedy – unlike most here I’m not totally sour on him. I hope Coke gets added – he’s a minors FA if not. And no reason to not add Shelly, Christian, and Miranda, though I doubt the long term value of the first 2. I’d hold off on adding Moeller – though I guess short term roster space could be found – Jorge to 60, DFA Traber, etc. And while I’d like to see Melancon, since he’s not Rule 5 draft eligible and so many others are, I’d hold off there unless he could help in a late playoff push.
Offseason roster issues will be interesting – but that’s for then. As for moving guys prior to Sunday, I’d let Ponson and Pavano go if anyone wanted ‘em, and would give Moose a shot at a ring and his 20 if that’s what he wanted, but I don’t think the Yanks would get anything of significance in return for any of our FA’s at this juncture. I’d rather just go with the hope they brought us draft picks, keep them now and keep hoping.
SoS: I meant to send Mussina himself a case of beer, not the troll! lol, my bad for the miscommunication.
Haha I love it when Jeter makes fun of Kim Jones.
But while we’re on this big Moose kick – he is by far the best at “exposing” dumb reporters. Did anyone catch the recent Q&A Yahoo Sports’ “Answer Man” column did with him? At one point, the reporter asked something like “You managed to finish college in 3 yrs, did you drink a single beer during that time?” Moose’s answer? “Um, yes, I did drink a single beer.” Haha.
I agree with much of what SJ44 said. Rather than repeat all he said though, I’ll draw my distinctions. I think the Yankees have to offer Abreau arbitration and I don’t think he accepts. Like SJ44, there’s no way I’d offer a multiyear deal. The team needs to get younger, especially in the OF. That said, Abreau is our most productive OF and the one you worry least about health wise. He’s always been a 150 game/year player for his whole career. Where SJ44 seems to prefer that Abreau decline, I hope he doesn’t. Like SJ44, I think they need to trade one of Matsui or Damon in an effort to get younger. I’d prefer it to be Matsui who I view to be in a steeper decline but its going to depend on the relative return you’d get for either. I find myself taking the long view and somewhat rooting against the team now. I think every day and week that they don’t throw in the towel is a lost opportunity to see what they have for next year in Gardner, Miranda, Aceves and others. In particular, I’m wondering if Gardner could be a stopgap in CF until Jackson is ready. If not, they need to acquire someone, even if its a low cost journeyman/speedster that will provide good defense for a year.
There are a lot of decisions to make in the offseason. I think they need to go hard after another top pitcher. I’d greatly prefer CC but if not him then Sheets or Burnett. I haven’t given up on Hughes, but I think they may have to consider trading him for some major league ready, top OF prospect. Jackson isn’t ready yet and he’s just one guy anyway. They need to get younger in the OF. If they sign a CC, I think they can afford to do so and It would be a trade that would help both teams similar to the Reds-Rangers deal of last spring. The idea of moving Jeter to the OF is intriguing, but I just don’t expect it to happen.
Unlike SJ44, I would give serious consideration to bringing Giambi back if he is willing to take a steep paycut and a one year deal. Yes, they need to get younger and yes, you can’t commit to him long term. However, they really need to get younger at the skill positions more than at 1B. I also think Texeira is not an option. You need 1B open in a few years for Posada or Jeter or Monteiro. If you are looking for a one year, stop gap solution, I think you could do a lot worse than Giambi. That’s not to say he’ll be back. I just wouldn’t be so quick to write off the possibility.
Finally, even though I agree with most of what SJ44 would tell Cashman to do. I don’t think its quite as dire as he lays it out. This team is still within 6 games of the wild card and that’s having lost Posada and Matsui for most of the year along with either losing or getting ineffective performance from 4/6ths of the starting rotation including the starters we were counting onto be our Ace and 3rd starter. Don’t forget — Joba wasn’t even in the rotation at the start of the year. I think most of us thought there was some pitching depth even though there were a couple of rookies in the rotation. Its really surprising given the injuries, Cano’s and Jeter’s seasons, and the ineffectiveness of A-Rod in the clutch that this team is as competitive as it is. The team will be better next year. Count on it. And damn it, this thread is probably dead already. Why do I always make long replys after threads are dead?
I think Jeter and Kim Jones have a real fondness for each other. I don’t know if the feelings on either side go any deeper than that, but Jeter does like to give her a hard time in a joking way. I think it’s kind of cute.
But she does ask some dumbass questions!
while it is true girardi cannot play the game for his guys, he is directly responsible for the way they play. is this miserable season all on him? I think not. However I don’t believe I have ever seen a team so lack lustre in my lifetime. To many lineups, and failure to change the lineup where he should have. Giambi has no business hitting in the 5 spot. Is that the answer likely not but is it a part, yes in my opinion it is a part. I’m beginning to believe his players don’t believe in him. why i don’t know, but something is wrong and I don’t believe its the talent or lack there of. Its deeper than talent.
BG,
Dont want to leave your well thought out post hangin. I agree with most of what you said accept for Giambi. He isnt a first baseman and i dont care if we have to put Miranda,Posada or alphabet there. We need to keep him off this team next year. He will end up taking first with one hand tied behind his back. I would go after a Dejesus till Ajax is ready and pick up a Lowe for the bottom of the staff and a Sheets for the top. Dont think we will land C.C.
We need to get younger and hungrier next year. BTW. Jeter has more range this year than last. I doubt he will accept going to center. I see him playing first when hes done at short.
SoS27,
you don’t think he’s done at short anytime soon? that won’t happen….Ripken played short longer into his career then 3rd, comparatively speaking, why would you put Jeter at 1st even if short is not in the cards for him anymore? what a waste!
S.O.S.27,
Thanks for saving me.
I stopped short of saying I want to see Giambi back. I can live with the lack of range, the clogging up of the basepaths, and low batting average in return for his presence, OBP, underrated soft hands around the bag, and presence. It is pretty painful though to watch when he has to make a throw or chooses not to like he did the other night. I think they need to see what they have in Miranda in September. If you could even do a Miranda/Duncan platoon if Miranda can hit RH major league pitching, I’d be ok with that. Its a big jump from AAA and the majors though and who knows what he’s really capable of.
In a vaccum, I’d say its a good idea to replace Giambi. However, if you let Abreau leave and trade Matsui or Damon, its hard to accept additional decline in offense at 1B and I don’t know how you’d replace his offense at 1B unless you did a deal for Tex or some other longer term 1B commitment. As I said, I don’t think that’s a good idea given Posada and Jeter eventually needing to transition to 1B or DH and Monteiro bigging a big time bat prospect who might not profile as a C in a few years. They’ll need to weigh options at 1B. I’m just not automatically saying there’s a better one than Giambi for one more year.
I agree CC is probably a long shot. Not that I don’t think Hank and Cashman would back up a truck full of cash for him. He’s going to have lots of suitors though and it seems he prefers the NL and West Coast. Lowe would be a nice pick-up as long as it was short term if they don’t bring back Mussina AND Pettite. With the new stadium though, I expect both to be back. Depending on the money involved, you could argue that a Lowe signing would make more sense than a Burnett signing even if they can’t convince CC or Sheets to come to NY. I somewhat expect that someone will be willing to give more years and $ to Burnett than he’s proven that he’s worth.
Derek Jeter thinks he can joke around with my wife like that… make her look stupid on TV. Well he will get what he has coming for him!