Game 133: Red Sox at Yankees
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- August
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YANKEES (70-62)
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Nady LF
Cano 2B
Matsui DH
Ransom 1B
Molina C
Mussina RHP
RED SOX (76-55)
Ellsbury CF
Pedroia 2B
Ortiz DH
Youkilis 1B
Bay LF
Kotsay RF
Lowrie 3B
Cora SS
Varitek C
Lester LHP
Mike Mussina (16-7, 3.45) vs. the Boston hitters.
Jon Lester (12-5, 3.49) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees start the day 10.5 games out in the division and seven out in the wild card. … The Yankees are 6-8 against Boston this season. … According to Cool Standings, the Yankees have a 2.3 percent shot of making the playoffs. … The Yankees will not take BP today. The players did not have to report until 11:30 a.m.
MOOSE TRACKS: Mike Mussina is 1-2, 5.52 against the Red Sox this season but pitched well in his last start against them, throwing six shutout innings on July 5. This the first of seven possible starts remaining in the season for Mussina as he tries to win 20 games for the first time in his career.
LESTER’S LINE: Lester is 2-0 against the Yankees this season. In 16 innings he has allowed 14 hits, two earned runs, walked three and struck out 16. He is coming off his worst start of the season. Lester lasted 2.1 innings against the Blue Jays on Saturday, giving up seven runs on eight hits.
RUNDOWN: The Yankees are on a pace to score 738 runs. That would be 185 fewer than last season.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 10:27 a.m.: RHP Alfredo Aceves is in the clubhouse and has apparently been called up. No move has been announced. Presumably he will be in the rotation this weekend.
UPDATE, 11:53 a.m.: RHP Dave Robertson was optioned to AAA Scranton. He can return in 10 days or when their season is over. … Aceves is here to pitch in relief but Brian Cashman said they seem him as a starter and that he could start at some point this season.
* * * * * * JOBA CHAMBERLAIN UPDATE, 11:55 a.m. * * * * * *
Joba threw 45 pitches in the bullpen. His next step will be throwing batting practice on Saturday before the game against the Jays. At that point, he could be cleared to pitch in relief in a game.
So it’s posssible he could be in the big leagues sometime next week.
UPDATE, 12:33 p.m.: Here is a good portion of Brian Cashman’s session with the media today. He talked about the state of the team, Alfredo Aceves and some other matters.
UPDATE, 12:39 p.m.: Here is Joe Girardi’s pre-game press conference.
UPDATE, 12:42 p.m.: Alfredo Aceves wanted No. 91 because he was a fan of the Chicago Bulls and Dennis Rodman. “But I’m not nuts,” he said.
Aceves seems like a very personable guy who was thrilled to be here. He has gone from the Mexican League to playing in the majors in less than a year. It’s a nice story.
The Yankees purchased five players from Monterey last winter. Aceves cost them $450,000, of which he received 25 percent.
Cashman also is excited about lefty Manuel Banuelos, who is 4-1 with a 2.57 ERA in the Gulf Coast League.
UPDATE, 1:09 p.m.: It’s 80 degrees at first pitch, a picture-perfect day in the Boogie Down. The stands aren’t quite full yet, but they will be. The Moose going for No. 17.
Enjoy the game. We’ll keep you updated here from time to time.
UPDATE, 1:30 p.m.: The Yankees waste singles by Jeter and Abreu. They are 2 for 17 with RISP in this series with 18 LOB in 19 innings. When you have a chance to get to a pitcher like Lester, you have to take advantage of it.
UPDATE, 1:46 p.m.: Cody Ransom up, pressure on. He’s 2 for 2 with two home runs.
UPDATE, 1:49 p.m.: They hit him. Chickens.
UPDATE, 2:21 p.m.: Moose and Lester are each pitching gems.
Moose: 4 1 0 0 2 3
Lester: 4 3 0 0 0 5
Jason Kidd in the house. No gold medal around his neck, however.
UPDATE, 2:31 p.m.: That HBP of Cora (on a 1-2 pitch) opened up the inning for Boston and now the Yankees trail 2-0.
They could have gotten away with one run but Cano was a indecisive for a split-second on Ellsbury’s grounder and he avoided a double play.
UPDATE, 2:41 p.m.: The countdown lever was pulled by “four long-standing team employees” who were introduced without mention of their title or anything else. The crowd did not seem to notice. Another special moment here at the Stadium.
UPDATE, 2:51 p.m.: Dustin Pedroia just ran on the grass from second to third to avoid being tagged by A-Rod but wasn’t called out. The Yankees complained to no avail
Big spot for Moose to try and keep at 2-0. Two outs, runners at second and third.
UPDATE, 2:54 p.m.: He strikes out Kotsay. Big out. Now the Yankees have to get something going with the top of the order.
UPDATE, 3:06 p.m.: Another big day for Clutch-Rod. 0 for 3, two Ks and a foul pop. He has left four runners on base, two in scoring position.
The crowd booed loud and long.
UPDATE, 3:21 p.m.: Great job by Mike Mussina this afternoon. Seven innings, five hits, two runs, two walks and six strikeouts. But he’s down 2-0.
UPDATE, 3:34 p.m.: Jeter is 3 for 3, Ransom is 1 for 2. The rest of the Yankees are 1 for 19 with seven strikeouts.
UPDATE, 3:36 p.m.: Now hitting for Molina, The Big G. This would be a good spot to put one in the upper deck.
UPDATE, 3:38 p.m.: Out to center works, too. Damn, he crushed that pitch. 2-2 and the Moose is off the hook.
UPDATE, 3:41 p.m.: Moose is done (I believe he was at 113 pitches) and Brian Bruney is on. Pudge is catching and The Big G at first.
UPDATE, 3:58 p.m.: Good job by Girardi in the 8th inning, using his rested relievers to get through the heart of Boston’s order.
Now Terry Francona will try rookie Justin Masterson against A-Rod again. He got Alex to GIDP with a slider on Tuesday night. He’ll be hammering him with sliders again. Masterson is sort of their Joba in that he’ll pitch out of the ‘pen the rest of the season and then start in 2009.
This would be vintage A-Rod, to climb back from a horrid day and hammer the game-winner.
UPDATE, 4:03 p.m.: A-Rod fans on a 3-2 pitch. The crowd is letting him have it.
He’s 2 for 13 in the series with 5 Ks, two GIDPs and one RBI.
UPDATE, 4:13 p.m.: To the bottom of the ninth tied 2-2. Nady, Cano and Matsui due up. Masterson remains on the mound. He’s pretty nasty but somebody could pop one here.
Let’s see … how about Godzilla? Matsui deserves some love for rehabbing and coming back.
UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: Cano can’t bunt. This could be a disaster.
UPDATE, 4:19 p.m.: Like I said, Cano can’t bunt. Missed two then lined to third. It was a rocket but right into the glove of Lowrie.
Here’s Matsui. He’ll win it one way or another.
UPDATE, 4:20 p.m.: Damn, foiled by Terry Francona as Matsui is intentionally walked.
Pudge Rodriguez? He’s due, that’s for sure. But if he doesn’t GIDP, Giambi will win it.
(You get the feeling I want this game over? I’d predict that A-Rod would win it at this point. Well, no. But anybody else.)
UPDATE, 4;25 p.m.: The bases are juiced (no pun intended, really) for Giambi. He will face the very popular Jonathan Papelbon. The Yankee fans are wishing their worthy competitor well.
UPDATE, 4:26 p.m.: OK, let’s look at this. Infield is back, a little shift but not the usual one. Giambi is 1 for 6 against Papelbon with 4 strikeouts.
I say The Big G finds a way.
UPDATE, 4:29 p.m.: He sure did. Good W for the pinstripes. Had to win the last game here against Boston.
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Wait..
I just heard that Carl Pavano was put on waivers…is that true?
A year or two too late, don’t ‘ya think?
The only way we make the playoffs is if Cashman calls up Phil Franchise and he dominates, and our bats decide to hit the freakin ball.
Paulie – Carl Pavano and Cody Ransom were put on waivers according to the NY Post. It would have been hard to put Pavano on waivers sooner since he has always been on the DL!
Teams tend to run all of their players through waivers regardless of who they are. Even Arod, Mo, Jeter, Pettitte have been run through waivers. No one would want to take on their big contracts though and its not like the Yankees would trade them anyway. Teams run everyone, their bench players to their superstars through waivers. Its nothing usual to do.
How old is Aceves ?
The post said that Pavano was put on waivers…my hope is the Mets will pick him up
LOL
why Ransom?
I think Aceves will be 26 this year?
Mo, Jeter and Arod have been put on waivers??? When??
interesting. i guess they figured Aceves can be used in the bullpen?
about time, Ransom gets some playing time and Nady batting 5th.
Im all for putting Giambi on waivers and let a contending team pick him up and bring up Miranda to see what he can for the rest of the season.
I’m happy to hear that they’re giving Aceves a shot – Needless to say there are a lot of question marks going into next year’s rotation.
Thankfully Nady is in the 5 hole today. Another day with Giambi batting 5th would have put me over the edge.
“interesting. i guess they figured Aceves can be used in the bullpen?”
I don’t think so – what is the point of another Cy Razz outing?
Go Moose!
Interesting lineup.
You think were doing what the sox did in 06’after the Boston Massacre, (call up all of our youngins’ & lettin them run wild) ?
Thank the heavens, or maybe he read my post, on the previuos blog.
i bet Robertson is going on the SWB-express, Rasner gets the mop-up role and Aceves is starting on saturday? Assuming its not Britton getting on his train again
What if Teixiera decides to stay in Anaheim? Do they play the whole ‘09 campaign with Miranda? Let’s not get too crazy here. Pavano and Ransom are not Giambi and Abreu.
My question was why put Ransom on waiver’s not why is he in the line-up.
I’m happy with the line-up, even though I know it’s because a lefty is on the mound.
If Cody goes 5-5, and X hits 2 grand slams. Joe G will still put Giambi back at 1st friday.
Hey, Ransom has an OPS of 5.000 this season. I’m all about giving him playing time.
bartonbickle:
I would rather those 2 be the one’s on waiver’s, well it should have been 3, adding Pavano to Jambino and Abreu..
I had to look at the lineup again. I didn’t even realize no Giambi!
Nice job Moron Girardi – take the black hole of suck out of the 5th spot and off 1b after you blow the season.
He’s a real astute manager of talent.
The best part is they’ll win today w/o Giambi and Moron will put him right back into the lineup and the 5 spot again vs. Toronto.
I’m so disgusted with this team. I chose to watch Project Runway instead of the end of the Yanks/Sox last night.
You hear that Stein’s? I’d rather watch a reality show about clothing designers than my favorite sports team in the world.
That’s the season you’re having.
Nice to see Giambi having a day off… maybe more than a day… he is REALLY tired and needs the rest!
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Aceves get a shot as starter over Rasner. Rasner lost his spot already this year, and if it weren’t for Kennedy being that much worse, he would be in the pen.
At this point any move makes sense over trying the same old thing.
Soon we may get to see some young kids getting their chance to strut their stuff when the roster expands.
It’s funny that so many of you want Giambi out of the lineup instead of simply knocked down a spot or two. You all do realize he has an OPS of nearly .900, right?
“I don’t think so – what is the point of another Cy Razz outing?”
perhaps, but i dont think they’d call him up for today and add him to the roster if they didnt have intentions of not making him available to pitch until Saturday.
not that i have a problem with him taking Rasner’s start, but the bullpen could use a fresh arm.
Probably too little too late for Aceves, but at least I’ll be interested to see him pitch. Still, maybe he shouldn’t be shown to the league in a spot that doesn’t matter like this. Whatever.
I read that Alex found a note in his locker after the game. It was from Nady, asking for his mojo back.
randy l,
You made a very interestinh comment in the last thread. Hank had a Freudian slip, no? A vested owner would’ve said, “We sucked.” Kind of a disconnect there between the big guy and the struggling Yankees.
All of you have such misplaced hatred and anger towards this team.
I’d love for someone to name the last team who had 3/5 of their rotation go down and lived to make the postseason. Not to mention the starting catcher, who calls all of the pitches and worked with all the pitchers coming into the season.
Nady is also a Firstbasemen… I was hoping we would utilize that today and give Speedy Gardner a start for the first time in like ten or eleven days..
Put Nady at 1B
Damon to LF
Gardner to CF
RHP Alfredo Aceves is in the clubhouse and has apparently been called up. No move has been announced. Presumably he will be in the rotation this weekend.
Ras to the pen? Britton to SWB? A waiver deal for a reliever? Sidney DFA? The possibilities are endless.
hopefully that means that a Pavano waiver deal is in the works and Aceves gets a crack at the rotation, though I would prefer to see what Chase Wright has to offer
Took Girardi long enough…
SA,
I’m surprised there weren’t any obligatory Giambi in the 5 hole complaints anyway.
“You hear that Stein’s? I’d rather watch a reality show about clothing designers than my favorite sports team in the world.”
no, he didnt hear that, nor does he really care to. sorry.
“Nice job Moron Girardi – take the black hole of suck out of the 5th spot and off 1b after you blow the season.”
and this is just silly, too. who else was going to play 1B?
i undersatnd Giambi’s play was frustrating, but you were either going to sink or swim with Giambi and ARod producing in the middle of the lineup.
if they arent going to drive in runs, this team wasnt going to score, and subsequently win, anyway.
I would like to see Miranda get a shot here. He could be a short term answer at first. Anyone actually see him play, is he a good glove at first?
Good point TurnTwo, unless the plan is dependant on how Mussina does. If he comes out early they may need both Rasner and Aceves to finish the game.
“A vested owner would’ve said, “We sucked.†Kind of a disconnect there between the big guy and the struggling Yankees.”
Along the same lines – how can this guy only go to 2 games at Yankee Stadium? No wonder he isn’t part of the team in his mind.
Of course if they had won the last 2 games it would have been a different story.
I was kind of hoping to see Matsui in the 5th spot today, with Nady and Cano following him. That’s a pretty good 5-7.
If it was my team I’d hit Matsui cleanup but we know Girardi would never do that.
My lineup would be
Damon
Jeter
A Rod
Matsui
Abreu
Nady
Cano
Giambi
Pudge/Molina
bartonbickle,
Ah, the voice of reason gets crushed by the angry mob mentality.
SA,
I’m surprised there weren’t any obligatory Giambi in the 5 hole complaints anyway.
mel-it’s still early. There might be a few complaints that get in before people realize he’s not playing today.
You know who I miss? Even more than Joba?
Wang. Our is he or isn’t he an ace?
Winningest pitcher in the last 3 years. A real anchor for the staff.
mel/bartonbickle:
Giambi doesn’t even get on base in the last 8 games check the stats, he K’s more that he get’s the walks he did earlier in the season. He doesn’t deserve to be in the line-up.
Good move, a little to late and will be short lived once friday gets here.
This is my Line-up
Abreau
Damon
Matsui
Arod
Nady
Jeter
Cano
Giambi
pudge/molina
“I’d love for someone to name the last team who had 3/5 of their rotation go down and lived to make the postseason. Not to mention the starting catcher, who calls all of the pitches and worked with all the pitchers coming into the season.”
Well, it sure as heck wasn’t the crash’N’burn 2006 Red Sox. There are a lot of parallels to what the Yanks are going through this year. Injured aging starters. Struggling rookies. Batting-practice bullpen. Team leader catcher going down. Disastrous August. (Although, I-Rod > Javy Lopez, believe it or not).
Glove Lover, I doubt that the Steibrenners or anybody else cares that you watched a show about a bunch of tulips designing clothes. They and the rest of the civilized world has little to no use for self-proclaimed martyrs.
Timothy Clougher, 8 games is a sample size smaller than Giambi’s testicles.
Mel – I think that the Yankees miss Wang more than we do. I really think that Wang’s imjury was the turning point of the season.
Steinbrenners
Its interesting, I am actually looking forward to the September games when we are completely done and young guys are getting a shot.
Guys like Miranda, Aceves, maybe Melancon.
If the Yankees weren’t so worried about messing up a player mentally, they would call up Austin Jackson and see what he’s got.
I’m also very interested to see the level of hustle from a lot of the veterans, especially guys not signed for next year. I think that will give us a true reading on who actually wants to be a Yankee in ‘09, also who has heart and plays with pride, and who doesn’t.
I think the way these last few weeks shake down will paint a pretty clear picture to the Yankees front office about who needs to go and who they should try to retain.
I keep hearing & looking into the similiarities with us & the 2006 red sux.
Does anyone remember what they did to turn around their ship ?
bartonbickle:
I have no idea of his testicle size, I’ll take your word for it.
Wouldn’t read too much into Nady hitting 5th. He’s been hitting 5th the last few times they’ve faced a tough lefty….then the next day Giambi was back in the 5 hole. Not that it matters much anymore this year, but Giambi or Matsui (preferably Matsui) has to be the #5 guy or they have three lefthanders in a row from 6-8 and bullpen management becomes a lot easier for the opposition.
Jim in CT,
outside of the bullpen you are spot on. This year’s bullpen has been more or less the only bright spot. I think a lot, if not all of the credit has to go to Girardi for that.
If Torre still had this team, we would be hovering around or under .500 – kind of like his current team!
“If the Yankees weren’t so worried about messing up a player mentally, they would call up Austin Jackson and see what he’s got. ”
He was on the DL with back issues – does anybody know if he has been reactivated?
“UPDATE, 10:27 p.m.: RHP Alfredo Aceves is in the clubhouse and has apparently been called up. No move has been announced. Presumably he will be in the rotation this weekend”
10:27 p.m. ?????
Timothy,
I was referring to barton’s 10:51 post.
BUT, Jason’s not the only problem. This team has a hundred of them. Solve a fraction of those and you have room for a black hole in the spot. 2 if you play I-rod.
“10:27 p.m. ?????”
Compared to the line-ups with 3 LFs, this one was minor
Phelps Phan,
Ironically, their ship sunk because of injuries to the rotation. Health and desire led them back to the promised land.
It’s about time the Giamboid road the pine.
mel:
I understand but moving Jambino is a start though it will be short lived and not really a move, this has been Joe G’s MO against lefties.
Bartonbickle, to answer your question about teams that lost 3/5th of their rotation and made the plyoffs, try the 2004-2007 Yankees.
mel:
Re-read the post sorry….got it..
Putting Giambi on waivers ? YESSSS ! ... in a New York minute. The team that takes him pays only a minimum salary for September and the Yankees the remaining amount of his 2008 contract plus his $5M buyout.
The Yankees get the benefit of seeing a little of what Miranda and Nady can do at 1st base as a small head start to 2009.
So Giambi is a good clubhouse guy. What’s the big deal ? How can that be a determining factor for the rest of this season ?
Mel,
They didn’t make any drastic moves ?
GreenBeret7:
Who was the manager of those teams?
yea in 2007 Manny decided he wanted to play again after taking the last month and a half off in 2006.. oh and Papelbon didn’t get hurt and they got lucky with Okajima
all this BS about the Red Sox making drastic changes after 2006 is highly entertaining
My point don’t tell me manager’s don’t make a difference.
GreenBeret7:
The ‘04 Yankees went into the playoffs with a rotation of Mussina, Lieber, El Duque and Vazquez/Brown. Which of those guys were not in the rotation throughout the season?
The ‘05 team went in with a rotation of Mussina, Johnson, Chacon and Wang. Which of those guys were not in the rotation throughout the season?
The ‘06 team went in with a rotation of Wang, Mussina, Johnson and Wright/Lidle. Which of those guys were not in the rotation throughout the season?
And finally last year’s team (‘07) went in with a rotation of Wang, Pettitte, Clemens and Mussina. Which of those guys were not in the rotation throughout the season?
In short, no. You’re wrong. No team has ever lost that much pitching and survived to tell about it.
GreenBeret7,
The only problem with your statement is that you didn’t have the 2008 Rays. It’s always been a 2 (sometimes) 1 horse race.
I really think that the ‘world series or it’s a bust’ mentality has hurt this team.
Instead of building on small victories and successes, they get the self-defeating letdown. They may miss the postseason once, but they won’t miss it twice.
I don’t think you bet against a rotation of Wang and Joba with the best player in all of history batting cleanup!
TK, Jackson is still on the DL as of today.
Timothy Clougher,
Joe Torre would not have won with this team. Not a chance. He would have quit after this season having missed out on all of the performance-laden incentives.
Marchand was just on the radio – he was the one who got to tell Pavano that he was placed on waivers
I wish I could have done that!
I know I am in the minority here, but I believe Abreu needs to be brought back in some capacity (as long as its a reasonable contract).
I understand why people want him gone (age, wall problems, lackadasical attitude) but he leads the team in RBIs. This team cannot hit and you want to let your most productive hitter leave?
He runs well, takes lots of pitches, has a great arm (as he showed a few games ago throwing a strike to home plate). I would be more open to the idea of letting Abreu go if there was another big bat coming this offseason.
But I don’t think they’re going after Tiexiera (I’ve been against it all year). I think the only way they add a big bat is through a trade, which is entirely possible. But as the team stands right now, losing Abreu could only be seen as a negative.
Guys get hurt. We’ve seen Damon and Matsui miss time this year. I don’t think having Nady, Matsui, Damon, Abreu for essentially 3 spots is a bad thing. Injuries happen. Plus Damon can play some center, as can Nady. Maybe one of those guys plays some first base, and Miranda starts against righties. I don’t know. Either way, I think if he’s reasonable in his demands, the Yankees have to bring Abreu back.
bartonbickle:
IMO your wrong we’ll just go on stats, he did it last year..
Fran,
You’re right. They infielder love playing behind Wang. He takes the rock every 5 days. They know that they’ve got a good chance to win. They know what he’s going to do, they’ve got to stay on their toes. Hey baseball’s pretty boring when you’re in the field. Even they can’t dream about pretty girls for 4 hours.
Well, usually it stinks to have a day game against the Sox on a weekday. Today, I’m glad I’m at work.
Ransom is not the future of the Yanks that is why he is on waivers is this real complicated? The guy is 32 if they can get something worthwhile for him, get it, same with Pavano, this is not real complicated.
the yanks are not making the playoffs and need to see what they have for next year, and yes I know Sept. means little, let the guys get a taste of the big stage, why not????
the yanks do not hit good pitching that is the bottom line.. there stars are not stars that is the bottom line whiners…
yea it is Girardi’s fault G love(are you 12) it is not that they cannot hit or pitch but there 5th hitter the overpaid piece of cr-p giambi that some posters here are so stupid they think the yanks should bring him back.
yea….
Miggs (All in for Moose’s quest for 20):
IMO you answered your own question, there were enough negatives to let Bobby go and not enough to keep him.
Timothy Clougher,
Nobody in the rotation was hurt last year save for Carl Pavano. Torre managed the bullpen awfully (Scott Proctor in every situation imaginable) and that’s why they fell into a hole before the ASB.
It’s fine if you think he’s better, he’s got more of a track record than Girardi to be sure. But he never had to deal with the loss of an ace, let alone the loss of two – combined with the loss of the starting catcher.
barton, in 2004, Vazquez went down for a while with arm issues as did Brown and hernandez. In 2005 , Chacon was a mid season pickup along with Small. Wang was brought up in may and was lost for a good part of that season until Septemeber. Last year, Cledmens was a June-July signing 9hardly all season). Mussina was hurt for part of the season, removed from the rotation for ineffectiveness. I’ll stick with my assessment.
Fran –
Wang’s injury a turning point; Joba’s the fall off the cliff.
ESPN radio reporting Pavano was placed on waivers. Why is that news? I thought almost everyone gets placed on waivers to gauge interest?
stuart:
Your statements as usual make no sense, then they have the wrong guy’s on waiver’s, unless they plan on keeping Giambi, Abreu, Ponson, Rasner..
Wednesday’s papers- A-Rod went 0-5 last night!
Thursday papers- the game after A-Rod went 0-5, he hit 2 doubles
Fridays potential story- 2 days after A-Rod went 0-5…....
Did everyone get the memo, A-Rod went 0-5 on Tuesday? Okay, good.
Green Beret,
None of those guys were the aces of their respective staffs.
Wang and Joba were the best starters on the roster and both of them were lost. When Wang went down, Joba took over as the stopper. When Joba went down, this team was doomed.
Doreen,
LOL @ pre-postseason plans. College football starts this week, but my team has the privilege of playing the Gators at the Swamp (at high noon!). So, I’m going to hold off burying my Yanks.
Maybe you can renovate the kitchen again?
Greenberet7 I thought Austin Jackson’s back injury was very minor. How long has he been on the DL?
bartonbickle:
If you read the previous post threads, I gave Joe G all the credit for the BP work, I also said Torre would have done a much better job with this offense, he did it last year.
I also said I don’t think Joe G, is going anywhere because the Yanks bought him in because they want to go young, he is good with “Young Talent”, Torre is much better with veterans especially the one’s he went to battle with for the last 5 yrs.
Barton, in 2004, than Mussina was the lone rotation holdover from 2003. The rotation has been patched together every year since 2003 ended and the bullpen had the same issues since 2002. 2 top bullpen arms. For those that invoke the name of Tanyon Sturtz, you’ve got to be kidding. Quantrill was old and used up before he ever came to NY. Proctor was good for one and a half year.
mel –
Maybe I’ll tackle the bathroom this season!
Jackson went on the DL on August 23rd, so that’s less than a week ago.
Miggs, Jackson just had muscle spasms. He’s only been on the DL 6 days. The minors have a 7 day DL.
Sometimes the performance of the bullpen is contingent upon how they’re used. Torre’s rationale was “find two guys that I’ll rely on every time we need to bring in a reliever and ignore everyone else who hasn’t gained my almighty trust.” It was a joke. Girardi has mixed and matched and put together a solid pen. I hope it holds up for next year.
Marchand was just on the radio – he was the one who got to tell Pavano that he was placed on waivers
Hahahahahahaha
This same line-up we have used with Giambi, was the line-up that Torre started the 07 season with remember the start of 07. In May 07 he moved Giambi out of the 5th spot and only used him sometimes as a DH in the 7th hole.
Torre made the move in May 07.
If they are bringing up the youngsters and indirectly conceding the season, that may not be a bad thing. Showcase some of this young talent that could possibly be used to land someone to fill one of the many holes the team will still have in 2009.
GreenBeret7
It’s so true that this rotation has been a work in progress since 2003. It’s something we tend to forget. It’s like there was a mass exodus and then everyone brought here didn’t work out. Although I think if they stuck with Vazquez for another season, that might have ended up okay.
Torre did not give Giambi a defenseless 1st baseman, the full time 1st base spot and a guaranteed spot in the line-up.
Hoping our rotation would look like this in 09:
Sabathia/Sheets
Wang
Joba
Mussina
Pettite
Hell, If we can get both Sheets And Sabathia, Then Pettite can retire?
Damon, Jeter, Abreau need to start hitting back to back.
Far to many times this year one of the 3 gets a hit and the other two get out. We need rally’s but this line-up dose not do that
Timothy Clougher,
Giambi had a bad foot for almost all of 2007, starting in May. Torre didn’t push a magic button, he reacted to a banged up player. Giambi then spent about 3-4 months on the DL.
Hey, why jump on Barton? You guys brought up 2004-2007, not him. C’mon guys, play nicely.
Much easier to make the playoffs when there’s only 2 good teams. See: Angels and the Central division. No one, not even the Rays expected them to be this good. They’re the REAL wildcard this year.
barton, those pitchers were the aces of the Yankee staffs because that’s all NYY had. That made them staff aces…just that they wouldn’t have been aces on other teams.
Mel, barton is the one that asked for a team that lost 3/5th of their rotation and made the playoffs. All I said was look at the Yanks rotation from 2004-2007.
GB7—Why are your political and homophobic tendencies you choose to bring here are not surprising, sunshine?
timothy clougher you are just a ill informed hysterical grab at straws no nothing about baseball poster.
that is what you are.
if they can get anything for ; ransom, pavano, and others do it.. even a guy of your limited intellect should be able to figure that out, but I usually have more confidence in mankind then someone like yourself deserves.
You are just a FOOL..
GreenBeret,
If the ‘04 team had an ace, it was undoubtably Mussina. He made 27 starts that year. I guess that’s missing some time, so I’ll give you that.
The ‘05 team’s ace was Randy Johnson and he did not miss any time. He did totally crap the bed in game 3 of the ALDS, but that’s something else.
The ‘06 team didn’t really have a singular ace, but their best pitcher was probably Wang, who did not miss any time.
Last year’s ace was Wang again, and he did not miss any time.
Basically what I’m saying is that no Yankee team has lost their best two starters, let alone supplemental pitching and STARTING catching and lived to tell about it. It’s not just that they lost their two best pitchers, they lost the guy that kept the staff in check (Posada). A few weeks ago I would have said making the playoffs would be a feat. Now it’s going to take a miracle.
Green Beret,
But there are many other factors involved. The East wasn’t as strong back then. Even the bottom 3 teams are very, very tough this year. You’ve got the O’s putting a beating on good teams nowadays. When’d you ever see that? You’ve got the Jays who, when healthy, could have the best rotation in all of baseball.
I think the Yankees will be better prepared, especially if the world doesn’t end if they miss the postseason. Breaking that streak just might help.
Root extra for me today.
Work cutting into my Yankee time until about 3 so I’ll be counting on your comments to hit the highlights of what happened when I get back.
Go Moose! Go Yanks!
stuart:
Go take care of your shildren, leave the blogging to grown ups.
Not in any order. 2009 line up
Jeter
Posada
Cano
Matsui
ARod
Abreu
Nady
Texiera
Jackson
Pitchers
Sabathia
Wang
Burnett
Chamberlain
Hughes.
Doreen, it wasn’t just the rotation turnovers, but the bullpens though, for the most part also turned over every year. Rivera was the one constant. Gordon for two years, Proctor for one full year and two partials, Quantrill for two years, after he was worn out and broken down by the Blue Jays and Dodgers. Farnsworth was brought in and for two years, he was ineffective. Last year, it settled down a little, but, it was trial and error. This year, the been has for the most part, been pretty good. NYY finally has started getting better pieces to fill the gaps.
LOL. I wonder if Kill’s taking care of his schilldren.
That is a GREAT lineup…and IF and WHEN they put the Giambi Slug back in the lineup, he TOO needs to bat 8th….5 spot needs to be either Nady or Matsui and ANY LINEUP that JOE the MORON puts out there with Giambi as the 5 batter is a recipe for DISASTER….IMHO….
“Not in any order. 2009 line up”
Terrible..
I actually agree with Stuart, but he could have said it a little nicer.
I actually took a half a day out of work so I could watch the game. Oh well, I have plenty of vacation time I have to use up.
Can someone please explain wavers to me. Why do you put someone on wavers exactly? And how can Ransom be playing and on wavers?
Thanks.
panayioti,
Nice wishlist there.
The Yankees need to bring the recruits, err prospects, errr free agents to see the new stadium.
Have Jeter line up some tour guides to show the free agents the new place.
In CC’s case just have a Vegas-style buffet ready.
Anyone have an idea how much Oliver Perez is gonna ask for this off-season ?
IT’S A MIRACLE, GIAMBI IS OUT OF THE LINEUP AND THE KID WHO DOES NOTHING BUT HIT HR’S IS IN IT. OH AND THE GUY WHO IS MASHING THE BALL IS MOVED UP TO 5TH. GIRARDI, WAY TO WAIT TO MAKE THE RIGHT MOVES AFTER THE SEASON IS LOST.
GB7 –
Yup. And as good as the bp was this season, for the most part anyway, next year is still a roll of the dice. BPs are the most volatile part of a baseball team, I think.
Mel——I’ll be in The Swamp to watch your Warriors take on Tim Tebow and company. I think they’re going to get the Poi kicked out of them.
Miggs—- Can you define a “reasonable” contract for a 34-year old rightfielder who is below average defensively albeit with an above average arm, hits for little power and no longer is efficient stealing bases? I would offer him arbitration, but that’s it.
Yeah I agree that it’s tough that Girardi waited this long to switch Giambi either down or out of the lineup.
Can anyone send me the link that show Abreu’s wall non-play last night? I turned the game off to go do something more fun, so while i was on the toilet dropping a deuce, they were giving up 7 runs in the 8th.
Glove Lover, when do I start political dialogue? Because I called you a martyr? That’s because that’s what you’re trying to pass yourself off as. “Look at me. I’m sacrificing myself.” Maybe the other comment was a little uncalled for, but, you brought in the opening about being reduced to watching clothes designers, not me.
Ransom is on waivers because he is not in the teams long term plans so they might as well see what they can get for him. They can always pull him back if they can’t work out a deal.
As for Aceves, it’s about time. I have tickets on Saturday so I’m looking forward to seeing him.
i like the idea of aceves pitching in relief for now
much better than robertson, thats for sure.
“Can someone please explain wavers to me. Why do you put someone on wavers exactly? And how can Ransom be playing and on wavers?”
Teams usually put most of their players on waivers. The way I understand it is a player is placed on waivers and every team in the majors has a chance to claim him. If a team claims him off waivers the Yankees can either try to cut a deal or pull the player back from waivers. Also if a player is claimed the Yankees can allow the claiming team to just take the player. Remember Manny Ramirez was placed on waivers a few years ago and no team claimed him? If the players passes through waivers without anyone claiming him the Yankees can then trade him I believe.
Trisha its funny you said that. I took tomorrow off to make it a 4 day holiday weekend. When I saw the Yankees schedule I added another half day (this afternoon) to my weekend.
Well at least I can be productive while watching the game.
stuart, do you have to be so nasty in your posts? I realize other people are also not nice to you sometimes, but I don’t get why people can’t respond to other peoples’ posts without having to use the word “moron” “fool” “idiot” and the like.
You may not agree with someone’s opinion but that person has the right to express it. And since we are all here with opinions, nothing’s to say that because you disagree that someone else’s opinion may not indeed be the right one.
It’s unfortunate that people can’t show respect to each other despite their differences.
oh just read Pete’s note, I guess I’ll be stuck seeing Rasner on Saturday.
really, who cares
does anyone sense a streak coming? i don’t
at this point, this team would be lucky to go .500 over the rest of the season
bos wins 5-1
Pete,
Be sure to ask Girardi why he took Giambi out of the lineup after the season is over. Girardi is a day late and a dollar short.
Mel, gotta agree that this is the first time in probably 10 years that the East has been this stong. It’s alsways been an offene driven division and now, it’s more driven by pitching. NYY has been caught short, due, in large part because of where they have been drafting for years…near the bottom, not to mention that it was generally the bottom of the 2nd round, because of FA signings. It’s going to take another two years before the real fruits of the drafts start rippening…including the position players.
Trisha:
Don’t waste your breathe.
Oh please, people. ITS NOT INJURIES.
The team, overall, from every angle of the game, has played like crap this season. With or without injuries, the team didn’t play up to play-off standards.
Our starting pitching, while injured, has kept us in enough games to be in a much better position than we are in. It’s the offense that has consistently been inconsistent and failed us miserably.
Why are they pushing for Chamberlain to pitch again this year…shut him down and look towards next year.
The Yankees should do Matsui a favor and let him go have his surgery now. The season is over. He did what he could, but it’s a lost ‘cause so he should start prepping for next season.
hey lets take a vote would you like to see Pavano pitch or Ponson i would have rather put Ponson on waivers he gets guys on every inning
Stuart and others:
If you want to personally attack each other, do it via e-mail. This is not the place. Nobody is interested in people flinging insults at each other.
Thanks
Ransom is on waivers because he didn’t hit his home runs far enough. I’m sure the Yankees are trying to sell high hoping some playoff bound team might think they guy might have some late-season heat in his bat and maybe trade an A ball prospect for him.
Because Joba pitching again this year will help his innings limits for next year. Even then, he still isin’t going to reach them and they have to get creative again next year in terms of how to start him.
Robertson will be a good pitcher. he has given up I think 3 HR’s the first 3 of his pro career at any level..
He either looks real good or get’s torched no middle ground…
the bronx bombers have scored 3 runs or less in 56 games this year 42 % of there games, that # is staggering..Even Tinouthy Clougher may be able to figure out that this # is bad.
I assume Girardi cannot play that sack of cr-p Giambi today because that overweight, brittle, piece of cr-p, may pass out from playing like 12 games in a row especially a day game after a night game, Giambi party some more you delinquent.. Hell why give your employer there moneys worth!!!!! Fans give him a pass because he says the right things, how about do the right thing like get in shape and play up to your contract.. 250 BA and 202 with RISP, GIambi stinks… He should have 100 RBI’s already he has in the low 70’s. He is what many of the poster here like; a overpriced, big talking and underperforming old man…Giambi because of his physical issues and fielding prowess cause the Yanks to have 3 addtl. players on the roster…..
86w183 Abreu leads the team in RBIs, doubles, and hits. He is 2nd in runs scored and just behind A Rod for the lead in total bases. He is 2nd on the team in walks and 3rd in steals.
Look I know his weaknesses just like anyone else, but explain to me where his production comes from if he’s gone?
Just give me an answer. Offer him arbitration? What a joke.
They aren’t signing Teixiera and unless they make a huge trade there is no big bat coming. Let Giambi go. Let Pudge go. Let Pavano go. Keep Abreu.
Patrick, you have it right. It’s just something they have to go through after the trade deadline.
In addition to a fron of te rotation guy, i’d like to see the yanks add a 4/5th starter.
Maybe Jon Garland, Odalis Perez, Brad Penny if the dodgers quit on him. All these guys have talent,the’ve just been inconsistent, which is why i think it makes sense to put them in a situation where they don’t have as much pressure.Like being a 4th or 5th starter, giving Phil extra time for “seasoning”. & if they tank, we call up philly. Idk, i think it makes sence.
“Why are they pushing for Chamberlain to pitch again this year…shut him down and look towards next year.”
Maybe so he can get more innings? He has pitched less innings this season than last year. He will probably be on a tight limit next year too and won’t be able to start for the whole season.
Trisha, the main reason that teams put almost all of their players on waivers at one time or another is to see if there are any teams interested in them, some out of idle curiosity and others with the purpose of trying to make a deal. The Yanks back in the 50s and 60s even put Mantle and Ford on waivers, though George Weiss (GM) did this as a scare tactic to keep other players in line.
season is over we might as well bring up our young talent like brackman, montero, betances, romine, jackson, etc. to see what we have for next year
Miggs, I think I am going slowly into the acceptance phase in the 5 stages of grief! I find that I actually don’t tune in to BP or the pregame much anymore. I used to watch that stuff like a religion.
I still wonder what Girardi took so long to arabesque Giambi. How could he not get it? I don’t even mean permanently out of the lineup, I mean just moving him somewhere else and out of the 5 hole.
Abreu makes tons of outs on the bases and he can’t field worth a damn. Where does his production come from? Nady, Posada, Matsui. Next year barring injuries, all three will be with the Yankees for an entire season. The only way I want Abreu on this team is as a DH and Matsui is already signed for that role. If you re-sign Abreu there would be only 3 spots (LF, RF, DH) for 4 guys (Abreu, Matsui, Damon, Nady). Its time for Abreu to go.
stuart:
I did to bad Giradi didn’t.
If we miss out on Sabathia, I want Sheets AND Brunett. Throw both against the wall and see which one sticks. Need power pitching to shut down the Red Sox.
“Basically what I’m saying is that no Yankee team has lost their best two starters, let alone supplemental pitching and STARTING catching and lived to tell about it.”
i dont think its necesarily fair to include joba in there considering he didnt start the season as a starter. 3/5 of the rotation from the start of the season were lost though. wang due to injury. id call the other 2 (hughes-kennedy)more poor planning on relying on unproven rookies as the yanks probably would have done worse had they not been removed from the rotation.
Yes, it is sort of a wish list but with the revenue they will generate off of the higher priced seats, some of those signing could be possible, assuming the players want to come there.
I do think the Yankees will end up with Burnett if he opts out. Just a gut feeling.
I am not big on Tex being signed but there are not many options out there. Miranda has been playing well for Scranton. Maybe he should be called up and given the month of September to get some AB’s. Otherwise, Tex might be the option. Broussard is not really an option.
One of the biggest issues facing the Yankees is that their drafts over the past 5-6 yrs have not yielded many position players. Right now at AAA or AA there are a few good outfielders, some pitching but no ready talent to step into 1b or SS or CF or C.
They have 3b and 2b locked up pretty well. SS is locked up but that position will become more of a concern next year as Jeter gets another year older.
Catcher is the other position that is of concern. There is no guarantee that Posada will be able to do much more than DH. Pudge has not worked out as well as thought and Molina cannot play everyday.
CF is still a mystery. Cabrera has not worked out. Christian has not worked out. Jackson is not ready. Gardner is decent defensively but can the Yankees survive with a .260-.270 hitting CF. Probably not.
What tons of outs on the bases does Abreu make,Patrick?
“season is over we might as well bring up our young talent like brackman, montero, betances, romine, jackson, etc. to see what we have for next year”
Hmm…. Brackman hasn’t pitched this season, he is coming off appendicitis and Tommy John surgery. Montero, Betances and Romine are in low A ball and Jackson is in AA. You won’t see any of these guys until 2011 at the earliest (except Jackson).
“What tons of outs on the bases does Abreu make,Patrick?”
He gets caught stealing quite a bit if you haven’t noticed.
Thanks for the info on waivers (spelling now correct).
For the record, though I have said it before, I am for keeping Bobby Abreu. Maybe someone could work with him on understanding who captains the outfield, or whatever. But other than that I think the guy is great for the team and still a very very good player.
dan – Maybe we can bring up some little leaguers too!
Patrick, do you mean like Jeter last year when he was 15-8 in stealing bases? Did you carp on that issue? Did you demand that Jeter be traded after last season?
Patrick like I said earlier (if you would take the time to read the thread) yes its 4 guys for 3 spots. Matsui and Damon both hit the DL this year and will be one year older. Odds of them both being healthy all year are slim
Also, Nady and Damon can play some CF, and maybe you use Nady at first against lefties (Miranda vs. righties).
No need to jump down my throat. And you still haven’t told me where that production is coming from. You just listed off names that are already here so not sure what your point was.
“For the record, though I have said it before, I am for keeping Bobby Abreu.”
Same here. Our bench sucks. If they want to put Nady in RF, keep Bobby for the bench or the DH spot. They are going to have to shuffle between him and Matsui because Matsui probably can’t play the field anymore. Damon gets Left, Nady in RF and some mystery person in CF.
Patrick he gets caught because they send him on hit and runs a lot. He still is 3rd on the team in steals.
Frankly, he makes a lot less “outs” than the majority of the rest of the team.
“Also, Nady and Damon can play some CF, and maybe you use Nady at first against lefties (Miranda vs. righties).”
Nady cannot play CF. He said it himself. He’s not fast enough.
Marchand was just on the radio – he was the one who got to tell Pavano that he was placed on waivers I wish I could have done that!
I wanted to do that
You have a logjam of guys in 2009 that are 35 years and older:
Jeter, Damon, Posada, Giambi, Abreu and Matsui. You can’t bring them all back. That’s one of the problems with this team. Its OLD.
You can’t form emotional attachments to guys who are at or past their prime years. If these were so good, the team wouldn’t be so bad.
If Bobby Abreu is a Type A free agent, the two draft picks are worth more than what he brings in return. Especially since he’s going to be 36 next year and you have a guy in place to play RF next year in Nady.
That’s how you begin rebuilding a team. By getting younger. Not by having a team full of glorified DH’s.
Giambi? No chance he is back and rightfully so.
The problem is, one of Damon or Matsui has to be dealt (if possible) and you have to try and get back a player or two that can help you. Bringing them both back could clog up the roster.
Posada is a big question mark next year coming off serious shoulder surgery. Can he catch? If not, is he the DH, first baseman?
With 3 years to go on his deal, he’s coming back. Meaning, other guys have to go.
Trisha,
Every player in the majors, even guys like Pujols, Arod, etc, are put on waivers during the season. If a waiver claim is made on the player, the player is either pulled back from waivers (stays with his team), is let go (the team making the claim assumes the player and his contract) or the players current team and claiming deal attempt to work out a trade for the player.
In most cases, players are pulled back. In many cases, teams try to bum rush the waiver wire (putting everybody on it) in an attempt to slip a guy or two through waivers.
These days, teams watch the waiver wire 24/7, making bum rushes on it tougher to do.
i dont know which will be more upsetting:
-that this lineup wont change anything and we will continue to suck
-that with this lineup we go on some sort of winning streak but as of now its too little to late
what do you guys think?
Maybe this is a sign of the times to come: the post-performance enhanced ERA (no roids, greenies, ect), were a team like Tampa couldn’t afford the high dollar masher’s, and settled for lot’s of young farm talent, that played fundamental baseball. Traded a guy after a good year for more talent.
Hey Trisha – I feel like you do about the games, etc. After these last 2 games I didn’t watch the post game either. Couldn’t bear to see the “highlights” again and hear how bleak things are with the team.
But at least if the Yanks win today you will enjoy your afternoon off.
There’s nothing wrong with Robertson or any other bullpen member other than overwork because the starters haven’t gone far enough into the game.
By the same token if the Yankee offense had put up a few more runs earlier last evening it could/would have allowed Ponson to go further into the game.
Robertson be a vital cog in the bullpen of 2009.
SJ44:
What if the Yanks had put say Abreu on waiver’s and someone claimed him, does that means they lose the draft picks and only get, what they got in the trade?
I wouldn’t get so excited about Giambi’s absence from the lineup vs. a lefty. I bet he’s back in ol’ #5 tomorrow.
SJ44, have you followed Miranda much. Whiff brought him up as a replacement at 1b. I have no idea if he is near ready or not.
Trisha, keeping abreu is a must. He, along with Cano would be the on semblance of left handed power with the Yanks in a park built for left handed hitters. He still adds speed, decent defense, an arm in right, and he makes the pitchers throw a ton of pitches. He’s steady, and at time, spectacular. He won’t carry a team for months, but, he can for a week at a time, a few times a year. The problem is, people want to see him run into walls, just like people like demolition derbies…to see the wrecks. There’s a huge reason that he’s reluctant to challenge the walls. Back in 1997, he suffered a badly seperated left shoulder crasking into a wall, and, it left it weak and susopeotable to seperations again. It almost ruined his career and that’s why Houston left him open to the expansion draft. Tampa chose him and then traded him for a 2nd rate shortstop.
“What if the Yanks had put say Abreu on waiver’s and someone claimed him, does that means they lose the draft picks and only get, what they got in the trade?”
Yes. The team who ultimately ends up with Abreu in this scenario would get the compensation picks.
SJ44 if you let Abreu go, where does his production come from? Like I said, he’s 1st on the team in hits, doubles, and RBIs. 2nd in total bases, runs scored, and walks.
Tiexiera isn’t coming here. There are no big bats pounding down the door at Scranton. Unless they make a huge trade, they don’t add a big bat. So you let Abreu go. Along with Giambi and Pudge, which I am fine with. IMO you make a bad hitting team worse.
Who fills the hole in the lineup that Abreu will leave?
That’s the question I want answered.
The issue with Abreu is, he’s going to get multi-year offers in the marketplace. The Yankees can’t offer him a multi-year deal.
Multi-year deals for position players over 35 aren’t the way to go when you need to rebuild.
If he wants to come back for 1 year, 10 million, I would consider it. That’s a pay cut to what he’s currently making.
He will probably 2 and 3 year offers in the marketplace. If that’s the case, you let him go and take the draft picks.
The culture of this team MUST change.
In order for it to change, you have to reshape the roster.
SJ44, have you followed Miranda much. Whiff brought him up as a replacement at 1b. I have no idea if he is near ready or not.
Miranda has a very good eye at the plate, very..immense power if he hits LHP as good as he hits RHP he can remind you of a young Carlos Delgado.
susceptible
Dr Abe,
I thought the Yankees just piece out info on injured players…
“The problem is, one of Damon or Matsui has to be dealt (if possible) and you have to try and get back a player or two that can help you. Bringing them both back could clog up the roster.”
Both of these guys are key to our offense. I wouldn’t deal either one of them.
Abreu shouldn’t try to steal anymore, granted.
Still, he is one of the fastest Yankees down the 1B line, has a ops+ of 121, has .370 OBA, bats .295 with RISP, and bats over .400 with runners in scoring position and two outs.
He’s also the most patient and discplined hitter the Yankees have.
He also plays 150 games every year.
The Yankees would profit from offering him arbitration or a one year contract with a performance option.
Giambi to me is a Wooden Indian at first base, he can’t throw, he is not agile/quick, the type of firstbaseman needed to protect against balls hit down the line.
Anything down the line in YS is a double, which we give up with Giambi at first. And how many attempted base stealers has Giambi caught leading off first? Even with Andy pitching, I can’t recall any, he’s not quick enough the tag.
He would have to hit 2 homeruns a game in my mind to justify his play on the field. His departure is one reason I look forward to end of the 2008 season.
Abreu will be 35 in March of 2009.
the same age as Derek Jeter, who turns 35 in June.
You can’t keep,
Abreu
Damon
Hideki
unless the Yanks don’t plan on going after a CF.
Yes, Abreu would be good as a DH and a part-time OF. Because I’m tired of balls dropping in for base-hits 2 feet in front of Abreu’s feet. And I love Bobby-Lou! Give me a young crash dummy to bang the walls and lay out for outs! Shelly Duncan?
“There’s nothing wrong with Robertson or any other bullpen member other than overwork because the starters haven’t gone far enough into the game.”
I’d attribute it more to youth than overwork. He’s inconsistent, at times looking great and at others looking like last night. He’s walked a few too many too. I think he’ll contribute next year as well, but hope they are not prepared to give him a key role without him earning it. So far, he hasn’t.
That’s not an emotional attachment compelling my judgment, it’s logic.
Unless the Yankees sign Teixiera, they have no better option to bat 3rd than Abreu.
At least Abreu can play the field and stay healthy. Matsui cannot.
Sj, Abreu will be age 35 next year…the age age as geezers like Damon, Jeter and Matsui. get rid of them, too. Abreu has stayed more productive and healthier than the other two over the last few years, also.
The hey to the whole Damon/Matsui thing, is Posada.
I think our evaluations on him this offseason decide who goes where.
You know what I wish for? Players with energy who show they are tyring to win all the time. I miss the energy. When Robby and Melky were first up they ignited the rest of their team with their enthusiasm on the field and in the dugout. They played hard and they had a good time. It was infectious. Wow I don’t see that just about anywhere now with our Yankees. And I don’t think it just has to do with winning and losing. Well okay, it probably is harder when you’re losing. But I didn’t see it the way it was there before with Melky and Robby anyway.
I miss Larry Bowa. I wish we could have him back.
Aceves is just another guy in a long line of AAAA pitchers the Yankees churn out.
Like a lot of pitchers (Kennedy, Rasner, Wright), he has good control which has enabled him to do well at the AAA level, but he doesn’t nearly have the stuff to be successful in the majors.
We’ve seen this all too often.
GreenBeret7:
i didnt know that that happened to abreu, and it sure explains alot
would you rather a player run into a wall and try to catch the ball but gets injured instead (see johnny damon) costing us a run that day, but because they have to miss games on the DL eventually costing us the runs they would have had a halping hand in?
Im still not giving up on this year!!
If were 5 games back by sept.1. We still have a chance.
Next years staff
Sheets
Moose
Joba/Hughes
Wang
Lowe/Penny
Im not sold on Abreu. Unless they trade Damon or Matsui and use him as a dh. They might also need that spot for Posada. Nady will be in right next year.
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I am all for getting Teixiera, Sheets, CC, Burnett, etc. BUT, what are we going to do when we don’t sign any of these guys? Seems to me the FA market is very thin and besides the guys mentioned above, no real impact guys.
Thoughts?
I’d rather lose with young, cheap players than old, expensive ones.
Any chance we could pry BJ from Tampa in the off season…
Everyone on here wants the team to clean house. Get rid of this guy, DFA that guy, blah, blah, blah.
I mostly agree with this idea. I’d be fine if the 2009 roster did not include Giambi, Pavano, Pudge, or Pettitte.
I would prefer to keep Abreu and Moose. Abreu should be open to a 2 year deal.
Also after 2009 Damon and Matsui are done (can’t see either of those guys being resigned) and Nady is a FA. So if you don’t bring back Abreu, who plays the outfield in 2010? I know its 2 years away but let’s be real here. Besides AJax no one is close in the minors.
If you want Abreu gone so bad, provide a solution for replacing his production.
Miggs,
The answer is, the trade market.