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Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 29, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

mailbox.jpgChristian writes: Hey Peter, what do you see the Yankees doing in terms of the outfield, first base and starting pitcher this offseason?

Answer: I’m not sure you’ll see much of anything in the outfield. Damon, Matsui and Nady will be back and Abreu could be as well depending what he wants. Melky Cabrera is at a career crossroads. But Austin Jackson is making progress and Brett Gardner could be a helpful player as well. First base is more complicated. Teixeira sounds great but would come at a great cost. Posada could play there at some point. So could Damon, maybe. In my opinion they need to bring back Mussina and/or Pettitte and bring in a front-line starter like Sabathia. Burnett would be a risk given his injury history.

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Chris writes: What are the chances the yankees transition Jesus Montero to 1B for next year mid-season or 2010? I know he hasn’t made it far through the system but the yanks can’t afford to sign Tex, CC, and A-Rod at their current rates, so why not transition Jesus and keep the spot open for him. Just wondering your take on this as I have finally started looking towards 2009.

Answer: Montero will be 19 in November and played low Class A ball this season. He is not going to be MLB-ready any time soon, the end of 2010 maybe. Beyond that, with Posada having three more seasons, they need to give Montero every chance to catch before thinking about moving him.

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N.M. in Chicago writes: Everything I thought about the Yankees this season proved wrong. Girardi has been over his head, the bench was terrible and A-Rod has gone back to what he did in 2007. Would Mattingly or Torre make a difference?

Answer: It’s impossible to say. Girardi could stand to loosen up a bit, but veteran players don’t usually much care who the manager is as long as they play. Torre or Mattingly can’t just tell somebody to hit with runners on base. This was going to be a difficult season from the start and then the injuries hit. No team goes to the playoffs every season, it was just a matter of when it happened. Now it’s a matter of what they do about it.

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The guys at Full Count Pitch did an interview with me a few days after they quizzed Sweeny Murti. So check those out.

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  1. Al from BK("Real" football starts next week!) August 29th, 2008 at 1:49 am

    CC is not a desire he is a necessity.

  2. Meaningless Stats August 29th, 2008 at 1:59 am

    CC is a must.

    If we miss out on him, I guess we have to go to Sheets.

  3. Al from BK("Real" football starts next week!) August 29th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    “CC is a must.

    If we miss out on him, I guess we have to go to Sheets.”

    Totally. Sheets is an alright fall-back option. However CC is not only an Ace he eats innings and as we’ve seen thats very important.

  4. Yoooo August 29th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    Realistically, do you guys see CC on the Yankees come next season?

    The Yankees will be releasing a lot of salary this offseason, so getting CC and Teixeira aren’t exactly out of the question. But at the same time, Abreu won’t come back for dirt cheap, just as Mussina/Petitte wouldn’t either.

  5. Meaningless Stats August 29th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    If all CC wants is money, then absolutely.

    However, there is more that goes with that— like his willingness to want to come to NY and leave the NL.

    You just hope he is like 99% of athletes and follow the money, though it is not a given by any stretch.

  6. steve August 29th, 2008 at 2:11 am

    can’t wait for the NFL season to start… football fever is here. labor day is upon us.

    late fall/early winter will be very fun… NFL in mid-season form and baseball hot stove beginning and hopefully an active off-season will commence.

  7. Al from BK("Real" football starts next week!) August 29th, 2008 at 2:13 am

    “If all CC wants is money, then absolutely.

    However, there is more that goes with that— like his willingness to want to come to NY and leave the NL.

    You just hope he is like 99% of athletes and follow the money, though it is not a given by any stretch.”

    Money-wise there is never an issue for the Yanks, especially in an area of need. The only trouble I see arising with CC is him wanting to stay in the NL more specifically on the west coast if he has his heart set on pitching for the Dodgers or Giants then we wont even have the opportunity to throw some numbers at him.

  8. Brandon (There is no more doubt the true captain of this team is Jorge Posada ) August 29th, 2008 at 2:15 am

    Have you ever seen Cubs fan react like this 8O

  9. Al from BK("Real" football starts next week!) August 29th, 2008 at 2:15 am

    “can’t wait for the NFL season to start… football fever is here. labor day is upon us.

    late fall/early winter will be very fun… NFL in mid-season form and baseball hot stove beginning and hopefully an active off-season will commence.”

    Dude I’m right there with ya. NFL and hot-stove time is typically my favorite part of the year anyway. Plus it will be even more laid back because I wont have to worry about playoff baseball.

  10. Pepitone August 29th, 2008 at 2:26 am

    The Cubs are going to the World Series this year, and you can take that to the bank!

  11. pop August 29th, 2008 at 5:41 am

    If they bring back Pettitte rather than Mussina, they’re insane.

  12. BB August 29th, 2008 at 5:45 am

    Both of CC and A.J. are the best pitchers,and we “MUST” get them.Yankees’s showing this year has proved the pitcher is more important than hitter.
    2009 rotation will be
    CC
    Wang
    A.J.Bernett
    Joba
    Mussina/(or Pettitte/or Hughes)

  13. Peter Lacock August 29th, 2008 at 5:56 am

    The Cubs are due and good. I wonder, what are the odds today?
    I agree with everyone that CC is no lock, maybe a longshot to be a Yank (I wonder, what are the odds today?) and Sheets and Burnett are uninspiring and too risky. The best pitching options for 2009 may already be in the organization.
    The Yanks will be good again when they have enough (too much) pitching and are strong up the middle. If you can live with Damon in CF and Cano-Jeter as keystone then all they need (beside pitching) is Posada to come back strong. Don’t worry about 1B, 3B, RF or LF so much. They’re pieces but not the foundation.

  14. 86w183 August 29th, 2008 at 6:44 am

    I know Teixiera will be very expensive, but as I posted a few days back; Tex aand CC will cost the Yankeess about as much as Giambi and Pavano combined when you add in buyouts so it doesn’t negatively impact payroll flexibility. More importantly both are under 30, which to me is a must for any FA seeking a long term deal.

    You get those two, keep Pettite or Mussina and then fine tune the roster with quality veteran role players like Frank Catalanotto.

    You still havea lot of money coming off the books with Abreu, Pettite/Mussinma and Pudge…. more than $ 40 M.

  15. Peter Lacock August 29th, 2008 at 6:46 am

    The Cubs are due and good. I wonder, what are the odds today?
    I agree with many that say CC is no lock, maybe even a longshot and Sheets and Burnett are uninspiring and too risky. It’s probably CC or nothing as far as FA starters go. The best pitching options for 2009 may already be in the organization. Andy, Moose, CMW and Joba are likely to be there but we need to find two more. Hughes and IPK might be it.
    The Yanks will return to glory when there’s enough good pitching and we are strong up the middle. If you can live with Damon in CF and Cano-Jeter as keystone then all they need (beside pitching) is Posada to come back strong as a C. Don’t worry about 1B, 3B, RF or LF so much. They’re pieces but not the foundation.
    Next years roster might be real close to the same. Don’t be shocked. It doesn’t mean it’ll be a rerun. The professed current philosophy is to build from within.

  16. beastplus August 29th, 2008 at 6:57 am

    pete, i know they are baseball and players and this is what they get paid to do, but don’t you think putting posada or damon at first…guys who have not played that position, is a little bit of a liability. i’d like a true first baseman. for one, im sick of the yankees platooning there and honestly i am not crazy about texiera for what they are going to give him.

    why would they bring back abreu when nady is solid and damon could start everyday in left field? that doesn’t make sense to me.

    matsui should be full-time dh.

    gardner should be used in CF until jackson comes up.

    melky and cano should fuse creating a player that is a little less lazy than they both are right now.

    the bullpen will own.

    CC Sabathia i believe is a follower of C.R.E.A.M. …he’ll sign in new york.

    GiRadI 4 PrEz.

  17. the long island yankee August 29th, 2008 at 7:03 am

    sheets is not an inning eater at all.cc could make a major diffrence..i would keep marte and use him for one or 2 batters, lefties and weak rigt handed batters.he’s better than fuentes.i would let giambi go of course.i would try for i year contracts on both moose and andy.i would trade for cf and 1b

  18. Genius ? you are FUNNY ! August 29th, 2008 at 7:21 am

    Mark my words….WHEN the Yankees either fail to make the playoffs ( most likely ) OR do another one round and done if they squeak in,,,,you will see AT LEAST CC, Tex AND Sheets on this club. Call me crazy ( and you will ) but mark it down….it WILL Happen….and here is the latest “mountain” the Yankees have to climb : the Red Sux are due for a “flop” and heading into play on 9/5/08, they will be at 79-60 ( yes, they ARE going 2-4 over the next games )…..the Yankees need to pull a wabbit outta dare hat and string together some quality wins and go 5-2 until then….that puts them at 76-64 and likely only 3.5 games out of the wild card ( unless, of course, Minnesota starts playing like world beaters…UNLIKELY )….Knowing that the Yankees finish the season with 3 straight IN BOSTON and that there is virtually NO CHANCE we sweep them at that time…..The Yankees need to be either UP a game in the WC standings going into that series OR ONLY 1 game back, for them to have ANY CHANCE AT ALL. These next 7 games for the Yankees and 6 for the Sux will be huge…another chance for the mighty AL Team from NY to actually step up and play like a team WITH URGENCY…… I think that we all would like to be pleasantly surprised with some “CLUTCH” play by ALL MEMBERS of this squad…right ?

  19. jonathan August 29th, 2008 at 7:59 am

    i honestly feel that tex and cc are BOTH necessities.

  20. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 8:07 am

    “Tex aand CC will cost the Yankeess about as much as Giambi and Pavano”

    i wishhhh, there both gonna ask for 20mil or more a year over 5 or 6 years.

  21. Joe Joe August 29th, 2008 at 8:18 am

    My post was deleted earlier, not sure why. No profanity, no attacks…

    I’m not shocked at all that Pete chooses to answer a question that disparages Arod. Just check out his actual production for me. Hitting .250 with RISP first of all isn’t THAT terrible when you consider he hits over .300 for his career with RISP, and the fact that he still has a .310 overall average, nearly 30 home runs and good defense makes him a much more productive player than Pete wants to give him credit for. Not sure where the venom comes from Pete.

  22. jonathan August 29th, 2008 at 8:30 am

    I am a DIE HARD yankee fan for 25 years (34 now) and i honestly truly feel that the yankees will never win with arod at third base. I was watching the game when the yanks had runners on 1st and 3rd and one out; i said to my sister “i will bet you my life savings that he doesnt get the run in” it wasnt even a possibility. I dont think he is a winning ballplayer-and trust me i wish he was but there is a saying “hitch your wagon to a star” and i feel that the yankees have quite simply hitched their wagon to the wrong star.

  23. Doreen August 29th, 2008 at 8:31 am

    Actually, the ARod question has a big error in it. It says ARod has gone back to how he was in 2007. Don’t we all wish????!! 2007 was a vintage year for him. :lol:

    IF ARod was the only Yankee struggling and the only Yankee costing the team games, then he’d be fair game. But he’s not.

    Secondly, just like people say games in April/May count as much as games in August/September, RBI in innings 1-3 count as much as RBI in 7-9.

    Thirdly, why doesn’t anyone cite runs scored as well as runs batted in? A scored run means you have reached base, no? Maybe that’s not what we look for most from ARod, but it is a part of his game, especially since this year, batting 4th, he’s led off a lot of innings.

    There’s certainly enough “blame” to go around this season, and there certainly is work to do after the season is over, whenever that is. And sometimes, the baseball gods decide it’s someone else’s turn – some teams have everything break FOR them, and some teams have everything break AGAINST them. And certainly, the team itself has a hand in a lot of those breaks, good and bad; but sometimes, there’s just no rhyme or reason. For the Yankees this year, there’s been some bad play and some bad luck, and this year’s team could not overcome either one most of the time.

  24. jonathan August 29th, 2008 at 8:34 am

    can i ask everyone a question: if the red sox had gotten arod after the 2003 season and traded manny, yes or no who thinks they would have won 2 world series?
    my answer is NO

  25. murphydog August 29th, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Terry Ryan always, ALWAYS, got back value in any trade. The Twins seem to be masters in identifying talent in other teams’ minor leagues. If the Yankees married their money to Ryan’s eye for talent, they could quit Boras’ Boutique and get what they needed from Stop and Shop.

    Yes, CC and Tex are the obvious choices, but are they the best choices? Not necessarily; they are just the most obvious. Would A-Rod have seemed so appealing if the Yankees were better able to evaluate other options? Maybe, but I’m a big fan of informed decision making, rather than impulse shopping. Buyer’s remorse can be a beotch.

    I’ve come around to believing SJ44 and randy 1: the most important moves the Yankees can/must make this off season are in the front office, under baseball ops/talent evaluation/scouting. It never seemed important to Big Stein before to operate his team like his shipbuilding business, carefully shopping his input costs, choosing his executives and planning for orderly growth. Now that he’s receding and seemingly Hal is on the rise, it’s the most logical, businesslike step. Keep spending the money, but spend some of it on the business plan and figure out how to get more for less. After careful shopping, make your Last and Best Offer and prepare to move on, no one player is the answer.

  26. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 8:38 am

    Did you guys forget that we were 1 game away from making a world series with A-Rod ?

    but i guessed he screwed that up to. He made Rivera blow 2 saves in the ALCS huh ?

    pfft, bunch of A-Rod front runners.

  27. ralph August 29th, 2008 at 8:41 am

    alex rodriguezs nickname? the cooler

  28. jonathan August 29th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    one more question: if alex rodriguez was placed on irrevocable wavers this offseason (any team could have him as long as they picked up his salary what the sox did with manny a few winters ago) i think NOT ONE team would.

  29. Doreen August 29th, 2008 at 8:45 am

    murphydog -

    I would agree with you. I’ve always learned you don’t want to spend good money after bad. If the priority is shifting to player development, then the infrastructure needs to be in place to support that and that means having the BEST personnel available, which the Yankees can afford.

    I truly do NOT expect CC and/or Tex to be a Yankee next season, because frankly, I don’t expect either one of them to want to play in New York, and because I think contract demands in terms of length of contract might be too much for a team just now coming to the end of the Giambi years. Giambi’s done much that is good for the Yankees, but is has been a grind, almost the entire term of his contract. And it is a direct cause of the 1B ????? for the last couple of seasons at least.

  30. jennifer August 29th, 2008 at 8:46 am

    I am so sick of reading “Would Joe T have made a difference”

    The answer is NO!!!! We haven’t had our starting catcher ALL YEAR LONG!

    The pen is as good as it has been. Yes there are some stinkers in there, but Joe T never got anything out of guys that Joe G is getting a lot out of.

    And how good is Joe doing in a garbage NL West division? Hmmm I think he is a few games under .500

    That ship has sailed Joe isn’t manager of this team anymore.

    I can’t believe everyone forgets how many time we’ve been bounced int he first round, or how he handled 2004!

  31. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 8:46 am

    “After careful shopping, make your Last and Best Offer and prepare to move on, no one player is the answer”

    Tell that to Hanky Panky. I have a feeling hes gonna go crazy monkey bannans this offseason after his last few comments.

  32. Mazun August 29th, 2008 at 8:48 am

    I can really see Hank going crazy this offseason and signing CC and either Sheets/Burnett. A rotation of Sabathia, Wang, Sheets/Burnett, Joba, Mussina/Hughes is great IMO.

    I am honestly dumnfounded that this lineup has been so unproductive this year. Yeah Signing Tex would be great, but he might want a 10 year contract. That’s ridiculous but he has leverage because there at NO other good free agent options at first base. But I see big things from Nady next season and we have to hope that Cano hits like all of us know he can. I think our lineup will be fine for next year if very little is done, but upgrades would be a good idea to get a righty and a better bench.

  33. 108 stitches August 29th, 2008 at 8:51 am

    The Yankees will pursue C.C. Sabathia harder than any player in recent memory.
    Top of the rotation innings eaters are a necessary ingredient to keep from overusing a bullpen.
    Assuming Wang comes back healthy, the Yankees would have the 2 premier inning eaters in the game and would need only quality starts from the other 3 starters in the rotation.
    To add Ben Sheets would make for an outrageous group of starters.

  34. Doreen August 29th, 2008 at 8:55 am

    Hank is not in charge of the spending – he doesn’t make the call on his own. So, I think there won’t be craziness in that department.

    Jennifer -

    I agree with you 100% regarding the Torre comparisons. Enough already. Lest everyone forget, many were none too happy with Torre the last few years – and I’ll add the midge game to your list, Jennifer – for me that was the straw that broke the camel’s back (and I LOVED Torre).

  35. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 8:55 am

    jennifer:

    At least he got us to the 1st round.

  36. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 8:57 am

    “Hank is not in charge of the spending – he doesn’t make the call on his own”

    Yea, your right. but he does play a preeeeeeeety big role.

  37. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:02 am

    I don’t want to get into a big Torre debate, we already chased him out of town, he won’t even come to Yankee stadium.

    Let’s not forget he got these guy’s to the post season the last 3-4 yrs with a horrible starting rotation. That’s all I will say about that.

    No I don’t think Joe G, should be fired.

  38. Vrsce August 29th, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Peter Abraham

    I read your interview at Full Count, very impressive.

    You are articulate and very informed. I was particularly struck by your fair and balanced responses.

    You are going to go a long way in your profession. I hope you keep blogging as you move up.

  39. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    I dont even know why were even talking about Joe T

  40. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:07 am

    Last night was great, to beat the Sox on ther last regular season game in NY.

    Ok, however Jason did good last night, that game is proof that the line-up needs to be changed, moving G out 5, I think helped, when Joe G needed something from the bench he went to G. The previuos games he left himself no option’s on the bench, you know he wouldn’t pull G, for a rookie. So maybe starting somebody else at 1st is the best way to go. IMO

  41. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:08 am

    Phelps Phan:

    It’s a question in the beginning of this post.

  42. ray (sox fan) August 29th, 2008 at 9:08 am

    Genius ? you are FUNNY !
    August 29th, 2008 at 7:21 am
    “Mark my words….WHEN the Yankees either fail to make the playoffs ( most likely ) OR do another one round and done if they squeak in,,,,you will see AT LEAST CC, Tex AND Sheets on this club. Call me crazy ( and you will ) but mark it down….it WILL Happen….and here is the latest “mountain” the Yankees have to climb :”

    Good morning my friend Vito!!!!

  43. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    Good answers Pete but I partially disagree with #1.

    You mention Nady, Damon and Matsui as outfielders but at this point in his career I think Matsui is a fulltime DH. He might be able to fill in at one of the corners in a pinch but otherwise I don’t want him on the field. Secondly, Damon can’t do much in CF anymore but he’s still a pretty good LF.

    So basically what I’m saying is, I think there is a hole at CF. Jackson isn’t ready yet, Melky has really dissapointed and I don’t think Gardner is the answer. I’m looking for a trade in this offseason for a CF.

    I don’t think the Yankees will go for Teixeira because of the cost and amount of years he wants. I’m hoping they make a trade for a solid young player at 1B, I’m tired of these overpaid vets.

    I don’t want Abreu back because he really can’t field anymore. He also isn’t a successful basestealer anymore which used to be one of his big assets. Sure the guy can hit but Matsui is already locked in at DH next season so in my mind there isn’t room for Abreu.

    I agree, the Yankees need Mussina and Sabathia. Pettitte is still solid too, I’d definitely welcome him back.

    I think the most important move this offseason will be to extend Brian Cashman. A lot of people disagree with him but I think he has a good plan for the future. I also believe in his ability to execute that plan.

  44. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    you think G would sign as a bench player ?

  45. RhapsodyInBlue August 29th, 2008 at 9:14 am

    How soon everyone forgets all the “Torre will replaced” rumors generated in the media the past few seasons.

    And not because everything was hunky-dory.

  46. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    Timothy Clougher:
    I figured that much, but i don’t know why comparisons are being made. Both aren’t having good years.

  47. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    Phelps Phan:

    Is your question on G, for me?

  48. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    Phelps Phan:

    I know, but I’m not comparing Joe T, to the vets he just acquired, I’m talking about the vets on the Yanks..

  49. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    it’s for anyone who wants to answer…

  50. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:20 am

    Hey if they could G cheap as a bench player, he would be worth a look.

    But there are so many area’s they need improvement, not sure you want to tie up a slot with G on the roster, probably better just to move on, and let him go..

  51. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 9:22 am

    They’ll probley call up someone to be on the bench huh ?

  52. JohnC August 29th, 2008 at 9:24 am

    If the Angels go far in the postseason, I don’t see Tex leaving there. Arte Moreno is not shy about handing out huge contracts. Look at what he gave Tori Hunter, and he really likes Tex. Even so, Scott Boras is his agent, and Boras will most assuredly drag this thing on into January if he has to to get what he wants. CC could sign much more quickly. Yanks need to make a quick strike here.

  53. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    Patrick â„¢:

    I agree on the CF, my question is were do you get him, and it will have to be a trade, what do we have to trade?

    We need a 1st baseman as well..you either trade Damon or Hideki..

    All the young guy’s (pitcher’s) is what we are basing our future on..

    I kinda agree with Pete, hear me out..they need a 1st baseman (70/80 mill of the books in 08) another 30/40 mill come off the books in 09..if they could land Tex that would be 1st base…use Damon, Hideki, X, and Gardner next year.
    They could bring Ajax at the ASB to start the transition.

  54. Rishi August 29th, 2008 at 9:28 am

    from the Bats Blog…interesting perspective:

    At one point, Girardi revealed something about himself that may explain his sunny perspective. He did not mention his father, Jerry, but it is well known that Jerry Girardi is afflicted with Alzheimer’s disease.
    “I love what I do,” Girardi said. “I love the game. I love being around the game. I love being around players and coaches and everyone on the club. No, it’s not hard to stay upbeat. It’s hard to stay upbeat if you have a terminal illness. I have said all along I believe in this team, and I will continue to believe in this team.”

  55. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    That would be an infield of A-rod, Jeter, Cano, and Tex(if acquired)..X-RF, Hideki LF, Damon CF..leaves room for Jorge if he cannot catch to DH/ platoon at Catcher with molina..Gardner off the bench OF relief.

  56. randy l August 29th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    “the most important moves the Yankees can/must make this off season are in the front office, under baseball ops/talent evaluation/scouting.”

    murphydog-

    with you and doreen leaning in this direction, and with sj leading it ,this bandwagon may gather some steam. informed decisions is what it’s all about. we wouldn’t buy a car without pouring over reviews and comparisons. baseball info comes in many ways and from different kinds of info gatherers. it really does take a lot of people and networks to get to the kind of players terry ryan uncovers.

    also sj pointed the plan is fine , but the execution is flawed because of either not enough people or the right people. they need more and better coaching at the minor league level if that’s where the focus is going to be.

    i want to throw in another thing. the person ultimately in charge has to be really interested in baseball. that seems almost like a silly thing to say, but a terry ryan was consumed with baseball. i doubt his owner was, but it didn’t matter because he delegated almost all baseball decisions to ryan.

    hank and hal are not as interested in baseball as you, sj, doreen, nick in sf, and the other host of characters on the blog. it is not a passion with them. it’s been handed down as an obligation. it’s in effect a job and a burden to them.

    because of this i think they need to distance themselves from all but the biggest decisions. let cashman and co.( with a new infusion of talent) run the yankees like ryan did with the twins.

    for example,hank shows up for his second game all year at yankee stadium and says “they sucked”.
    well guess what, even the bat boy and clubhouse kid that shines the player’s shoes says “we” when referring to the yankees. hank is an outsider to his own team.

    george always had that plaque that said lead, follow , or get the hell out of the way. hank and hal need to get the hell out of the way because they just don’t love the game enough.

    nothing in the world is harder to do than do something you’re not interested in. hank and hal just aren’t interested enough.

  57. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    did you hear Ben Sheets in our plan B… i dont like it, wayy to big of an injury risk.

  58. pat August 29th, 2008 at 9:33 am

    jonathan

    My answer is Yes.

    They definitely would still have won it in 2004. A-Rod had more impact in the wins for the Yankees in the 2004 postseason than Manny did for the Sox. Yankees didn’t lose because of A-Rod and the Sox certainly didn’t win because of Manny that year.

    A-Rod had an MVP year in 2005 and 2007 and while he had a down year in 2006, he didn’t give up on his team and take August and September off like Manny did.

    Manny is a talented player but the Red Sox have won more games with Manny in LA than LA has won with Manny there. Baseball is a team sport and Manny alone is not the difference maker that some would like to believe he is. He’s one piece to the puzzle. In the same way that A-Rod isn’t the only thing wrong with the Yankees since 2004, he’s one piece of the puzzle.

    As to A-Rod being claimed on waivers, you’ll probably never know but we do know no team claimed Manny on waivers and no one would take him this year unless the Sox were paying his whole salary.

  59. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    randy l:

    That makes alot of sense, but will it happen, I guess we will wait and see.

  60. JohnC August 29th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    Phelps:

    So is AJ Burnett. But I’d rather have Burnett cause he has proven he can pitch in the AL.

  61. murphydog August 29th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    It in a controversial case the Yankees walked away from Johan and Hank was the biggest mouth in the process. Hank put out deadlines and criticized Minnesota’s handling of the matter. He has said some things since that would lead a person to believe that he views the failure to get Santana as a mistake. But for good or for ill, they made their last and best offer and moved on. In time, Hank either gets more quiet or gets marginalized as a clown, a Billy Carter to Hal’s Jimmy Carter.

    I look at the actions, not the words. They thought Hughes and IPK would do more for them this year, but there was no way Cash, Hal or anyone else could have believed the kids were a lock. They had to know they were on a tight rope going into this season with two kids in the rotation. I have to assume that they took the risk with a full understanding of the consequences, willing to fail this year than do the Santana deal as offered. They thought they had enough money sunk into hitting to make a run this year with the arms they had and if not, then not. They drew a line in the sand.

    While the Mo and Po deals were in the opposite direction, those contracts were to retain players one last time, players they knew and have been committed to for years. I think you can distinguish those deals from trades not made.

    If the Yankees marry their checkbook to a brain like Terry Ryan’s look out – in three or four years. Without mega deals for CC and/or Tex next year, it will be really interesting to see if the can “Moneyball” some smaller pieces together to give them a comparable bang for the buck while they continue to farm, draft and develop the next generation of homegrown talent.

  62. Vrsce August 29th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    randy,

    You have nailed hank on the they/we references.

    if he does not feel a part of the team, good or bad, then he should let hal take over. Even we lowly fans say we lost, we stunk etc.

  63. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    I wonder if Brad Penny is available. The Dodgers have an option on him at the end of this year, idk if they’d pick it up. Maybe we can get him cheap incase Petitte or Mussina retire.

  64. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    Timothy,

    Matsui can’t play the OF anymore, his knees are shot. Damon is a terrible CF as we’ve seen recently. I’d like Teix too but not for 7+ years. He’s really not worth that long of a committment. If he would sign for a 5 year deal I’m all for it but I highly doubt he would do that.

    Why do you trade Damon or Matsui for a 1B? They are more valuable to this team than to other teams and they wouldn’t bring a whole lot back in a trade. Matsui is an .850 OPS player and SF wanted to give us Noah Lowry for him. No thanks.

    Who do I trade for CF? Minor league pitching. The Yankees still have great depth there and can afford to deal some of those guys for position players. I’m not going to bank on Austin Jackson being a contributor in 2009. He will probably get the call at some point next year but I think they should be conservative with him. Also Damon and Nady are gone after 2009 so if the Yankees trade for a good CF this offseason there will still be spots open for Jackson in 2010.

    The success of the team is not dependant on young pitching. We learned that lesson this year with the failure of Hughes and Kennedy. Sign Mussina, Pettitte, Sabathia and the rotation will be rock solid. The bullpen is fine and it will only get better with the addition of Melancon and others.

  65. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 9:39 am

    JohnC :
    yea, proven he can be inconsistant. He has great flashes of talent here and there (MOSTLY AGAINST US).

  66. Aaron August 29th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Ok, maybe someone can answer MY question that I’ve had for a year now: What is Mike Mussina’s warmup song that he plays while he is throwing his warmup pitches before the first inning gets under way. It is some sort of rock song, and i know that he has had it forthe past 2 seasons now

  67. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    Patrick â„¢:

    What kind of package of young pitcher’s will you put together, you have to give something to get something, Kenned IMO has no value, Hughes?, people probably would want Melancon for something..

  68. pat August 29th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    When trying to solve all mysteries, the key rule is always follow the money.

    Hank can bluster all he wants but it seems like Hal is the one who controls the purse strings and him and Cash seem to be on the same page.

    It’s fun for the media to call Hank the owner and the decision maker because he gives them something to write about while Hal says very little. But who has been in NY meeting with Cash and Girardi on every homestand? That has been Hal.

    Hal seems to be willing to listen to the baseball people in making decisions and getting info. Hank can say all he wants but the final call will be made by Hal with the input of the baseball people. That was proven with the Santana decision.

  69. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    I’m no scout and I’m not as up on the minor’s as most on the blog…but a good CF and 1st baseman won’t come cheap or be easy to acquire.

  70. RER - 98 August 29th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    Let this be the last year of Betemit who should go as part of a winter deal.
    I’ve been a strong advocate for over a year for Cashman to get Ty Wigginton who can play every infield postion plus either corner outfield position with a steady bat.
    He brings roster flexability which the Yankees sorely need in 2009.

  71. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    signing Pettit and Moose is a mistake, IMO..

  72. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    How about Jon Garland as our 5th next year. The guy is on pace for his 5th straight season with 200 IP. He’s no Cy Young, but hes a reliable 5th guy.

  73. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    If we don’t address 1st we will have the merry go round again next yaer, that will take up 2 roster positions. IMO we a real 1st baseman not a rental that can only lefties, and then one that can only hit righties..

  74. Doreen August 29th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Randy l -

    I agree that whatever personnel the Yankees obtain with regard to the operations side of things absolutely must love baseball and love what they do.

    There is so much behind the Steinbrenner father/son thing that I wouldn’t know whether it is baseball they were not passionate about or simply working for their father turned out not to be such a great idea and then their passions were sidetracked or otherwise oriented. But even if their passion runs only to the bottom line and the family legacy, having the best people in place surely would go a long way toward accomplishing goals in those areas, as well as the goal we as fans cherish most – championship-caliber teams (please note that I do not require a WS win every year to consider the Yankees successful).

  75. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Phelps Phan:

    He could be Ponson’s replacement.

  76. Bryan (Yankees fan) August 29th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Obama what a fraud

  77. murphydog August 29th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Burnett would be a great test case IMO.

    He’s 31 and has made 30 or more starts only once, in 2005, I think. When he’s healthy he’s dominant. But he doesn’t always stay healthy for long. What do you do? You cannot offer him a long term contract. With his history any contract with him should be incentive and performance based. He’d likely turn up his nose at such a thing and want to assume no risk in the deal. CC seems more stable, heath wise, although the use of the word “stable” unfortunately brings to mind his great girth. Still, CC doesn’t appear to pose the same obvious shortcoming as Burnett.

    When it comes to contracts, The Yankees have been “easy” for a long time and it’s tough to get your virtuous reputation back without going to the opposite extreme for a while. Have the Yankees acquired the virtue of restraint and moderation? If overheated boys CC, Tex or Burnett become the next suitors (after Johan) to be turned away at the front door with just a kiss and a “goodnight,” we have our answer. And while saying “goodnight” might mean less instant gratification, isn’t it better to save a little something for marriage ;)

  78. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    “If we don’t address 1st we will have the merry go round again next yaer, that will take up 2 roster positions. IMO we a real 1st baseman not a rental that can only lefties, and then one that can only hit righties..”

    what do you sappose the yanks do ?

  79. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    I know every one wants to get cheaper and not all the big stars, IMO the Yanks aren’t going to a new stadium, loose 80 mill off the payroll, charge crazy seat prices and not spend money in the off season. They cannot wait for the farm to get rich with young position player’s, so when there ready in 2011/2012, A-rod, Jeter, and such will be 38-39, they will acquire alot more than 1 or 2 FA’s.

  80. TKinDC August 29th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    ESPN’s crawl has a blurb about Joba being used as a reliever – does anyone have a credible source on that?

  81. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Timothy,

    It really depends on the quality of players you get back. Like you say, you have to give something to get back something. If the Yankees want to get an average first basemen and and average CF it won’t take nearly as many prospects as a very good 1B and CF.

    If I’m considering only pitchers, I would hold on to Hughes, Melancon and Brackman and make everyone else available. That means Kennedy, McAllister, Betances, Heredia, Pope, Coke, Kontos, Jones, Garcia, Sanchez etc. Unfortunately Most of those guys are either low ceiling (Coke, Kontos, Jones) or in the low levels of the minors (McAllister, Betances, Heredia, Pope).

    It will be tough to make a trade for either a young CF or a young 1B so Cashman will have to get creative. Either in the packages he offers or in the type of player he guns for. Hopefully the Yankees improve their scouting and can find a diamond in the rough, similar to Carlos Quentin or Josh Hamilton. Its tough to do that but Cash is going to have to take a few risks and trust in good scouting.

  82. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    I don’t know the answer’s, but I would hope it is not just watching Jeter, Posada, A-rod, and Mo..grow old with no help.

  83. pat August 29th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    murphy

    I love your analogies! I hope you work them into your professional life and judges are as amused by them as I am.

  84. randy l August 29th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    murphydog-

    on a big signing like arod that would affect the franchise for years, i would think even an absentee owner would get involved. nothing wrong with that. i just don’t want hank or even hal involved in 99% of the baseball decisions simply because they have shown so little interest in baseball throughout their careers.

    john henry is as crazy about the game as all of us on this blog. an owner like that can be more involved and not screw things up. hank and hal just don’t have a passion for the game like john henry does. they need to hire people who do and then get out of their way.

    henry was an owner in the ill fated senior league in 1989 a and1990 where he lost a ton of money. his interest in the game has been a constant in his life. we don’t see that with hank and hal.

    hank and hal could be good owners by making a good hiring of someone to oversee the yankees. this would at a higher level than the gm. maybe cashman would take that role . it’d be a bigger one like what lucchino does in boston.

    i would welcome terry ryan in a heartbeat, but he may be at a point in his career where he just can’t put out that kind of intensity anymore. if he did come over, i’d love to see him bring the cliburn brothers who are presently the triple a manager and pitching coach with him.

    they spit out mlb ready twin type players each year for the big league league team, and seeing how stan has won 1000 minor league games probably knows the yankee minor league players as well if not better than some yankee coaches.

  85. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    I want no part of Burnett. Sabathia or bust.

    By the way murph, you make great posts that are made even better by your absurd analogies.

  86. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    randy,

    You talk about the Twins in 90% of the posts you make on here. Are you sure you aren’t a closet Twins fan?

  87. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    “I want no part of Burnett.”

    Coudn’t agree more.

  88. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Patrick â„¢:

    I understand were SJ, you, and Murph are going with you idea’s, and I like them but that can also be accomplished, with signing say Tex, the Yanks have the capitol to do it and it would lock the infield up for 3-4 yrs. Then you want to piece meal around fine..I totally agree that CC is with out a doubt a must…but they need a real good CF or a real good 1st baseman, and of that there is only 1 FA…that doesn’t cost anything but $$$$ which they have plenty of.

  89. murphydog August 29th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    “They cannot wait for the farm to get rich with young position player’s, so when there ready in 2011/2012, A-rod, Jeter, and such will be 38-39, they will acquire alot more than 1 or 2 FA’s.”

    Repeating the same mistakes and wondering why nothing ever changes is one definition of insanity. I believe that the Yanks have to be smart and patient and not throw good money after bad. They have to refuse to recreate the FA banditry that got them where they are today.

    Sure they can acquire FAs but on sensible terms. The FA market is starting to come apart now, IMO, as even rich teams like Boston and NYY pay more attention to the draft and the international market. The next couple of years are key from the owners’ standpoint in resetting the FA prices. If the Yankees hold the line, IMO, a lot is going to change for them and the FA players in the next few years. They have to be ready to just say no.

    Maybe the new stadium has a slow start. If it’s around for 85 years like its predecessor, you can smooth out a few bad years with a long string of good ones.

  90. mel August 29th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    pat,

    You’ve got to be wrong. You’re making way too much sense. :)

    I wouldn’t object to Burnett coming here. He’s a great pitcher when he’s healthy. Health risk? Pshaw we just survived Pavano. (I was worried about him in the mosh pit yesterday. Not really, but I saw a x-ray arm grabbing at Jason in the celebration)

    Joba in the bullpen makes sense on a lot of levels. You ease him back to pitching. You can stretch him out in meaningful situations. And he’d be ready to go for the fall if that’s the plan. And he’s better than what’ve got, even if it’s pretty good. Poor Britton. He’s been personally bumped by Joba about 4 times?

  91. smoothie August 29th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    For all those who feel Arod is being bashed unfairly:

    Comparing Jeter Melky Damon etc to Arod is unfair. Arod is ClEARLY better and more skilled than any other Yankee. In fact he may be the most skilled player in baseball. Therefore he should out perform his teammates, and he should do better and out perform in the more difficult spots that come up in a game.
    Arod is like the kid who is at the top of the class. He should do better and perfrom better than everyone when they are facing tougher competition.
    So to say, why does Jeter get a pass? thats dumb, Jeter is not as good as Arod. Does Molina get a pass for hitting 216?
    No because he cant hit. We all know that.
    Arod is also in the cleanup spot, which means he is responsible for driving in runs and driving in the table setters. If he cannot do that job, he should not be in that spot.
    I dont think anyone bashing Arod thinks Jeter or someone else is better. Arod has two RBI in the 8th and 9th innings all year. With RISP he is hitting 240? Thats like having Molina come up to bat in the 8th and 9th inning with the game on the line. Is that what we want?
    If your cleanup guy doesnt hit in clutch situations its really hard to win. In this season losses it not like the Yankees lost 6-4 and Arod drove in 3 runs. He seems to be a no show in any close games, wins or losses. Look at this weekend, which was bad. For the month of August the best games Arod had were: 2 for 4 in a 8-2 win over the Angels, 3 for 3 in a 15-6 win over KC, 2-5 in a 9-4 win over Balt, 2 for 3 in an 8-7 win over Balt, and 2 for 4 in an 11-3 loss to Bos. So Arod did well in games that were not close.
    In close losses: he was 0-3 in a 1-0 loss to LAA, He was 1-3 in a 4-3 loss to KC, He was 0-5 in a 3-2 loss to KC, He was 1-4 in a 2-1 loss to Tor, He was 0-3 in a 8-6 loss to Tex, he was 1 for 4 in a 4-2 loss to Minn.
    In close wins, He was 0-4 in a 5-3 win over Tex, He was 0-4 in a 3-0 win over Tex, and yesterday he was 0-4 in a 3-2 over Bos.
    Whats my point? My point is that as the cleanup guy he gets the MOST chances to effect the outcome of the game. He doesnt factor in enough of them. He is a factor in blowouts but not a factor in close games. If he had say 1 key hit in any of those close losses mentioned above perhaps they win a few of those games. Thats just for August. You could go on MLB.com and get the game by game logs. Hes been doing that all year. This weekend typified what he has done. He get two doubles in the blowout loss. Does nothing in the first game that was close when he batted late. Did nothing yesterday in a close game. Faced Wakefield, Byrd and only battedd once against Papelbon all series and went 2 for 13

  92. murphydog August 29th, 2008 at 10:11 am

    “I love your analogies! I hope you work them into your professional life and judges are as amused by them as I am.”

    They work better on juries. Judges really don’t like lawyers who are more clever than they are :0

  93. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    Timothy,

    Why do you constantly ignore arguments against getting Teix? They aren’t going to sign him for 3-4 years. He wants a 7-10 year contract, he’s already made that very clear. Teix is an overrated player and isn’t worth the amount of money he’s going to get. Do you want the Yankees paying 20 million for him in 7 years when he’s declining? Thats the kind of nonsense that has the Yankees in such a hole right now. Teix is a good player, not a great player. In 7 years he will be a mediocre player.

  94. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    IMO Murph and Patrick:

    I would rahther the Yanks use a resource that they have plenty of $$$, this way the farm has time to grow and not trade the youth that was also a bad practice of the Yanks in the past.

  95. YankeeJosh August 29th, 2008 at 10:18 am

    pop
    August 29th, 2008 at 5:41 am
    If they bring back Pettitte rather than Mussina, they’re insane.

    Last year, if anyone had said we should have brought back Mussina over Pettitte, they’d have been laughed off this board. Mussina’s had a great year, but he is 39 years old and there’s no guarantee he repeats this performance next year. Pettitte is still a clutch pitcher who has some good years left in him. I’d bring back Moose if I could, but don’t think it’s cut and dry to choose him over Pettitte.

  96. The Panoramic Vista Roof in Jeter's Edge August 29th, 2008 at 10:18 am

    Pete,
    My brother in law bought Bruce Springsteen’s Range Rover.

  97. randy l August 29th, 2008 at 10:19 am

    ” Are you sure you aren’t a closet Twins fan?”

    i’m good friends with the cliburn bothers so i’ve gotten to see a little how the twins do things.

    i’ll admit i’ve been rooting for them this year especially since they are the only team who has a chance to knock off the red sox for the wild card.

  98. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:19 am

    Patrick â„¢:

    I don’t ignore them, IMO he is a vaible option.

  99. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    There are some mixed feelings about A-rod and his contract, however he was the best available 3rd baseman and they signed him for 10yrs, he will do nothing but decline in the future, so the argument about Tex getting old or declining over time, that is going to happen to anyone.

  100. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    randy,

    I don’t necessarily root for the Twins but I do admire the way they run their organization. I never thought they would contend this year but its always fun to watch teams come out of nowhere and do well.

  101. TKinDC August 29th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    Just to beat a dead horse – Girardi isn’t the only manager who ‘adjusts’ his position on player’s physical status. I am shocked! Shocked!

    “After Beckett gave up eight runs on eight hits in 2 1/3 innings Aug. 17 against the Blue Jays, Francona was asked whether his starter was healthy. Francona said he was. He said it again the next day in Baltimore, before finally acknowledging Aug. 19 that Beckett had felt the tingling and numbness. That was when Beckett was pushed back for the first time. Over the weekend in Toronto, Francona said the issue was inflammation in Beckett’s right elbow.”

    source: boston.com

  102. YanksFanForever August 29th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    What annoys me is when guys are getting older, everybody says “Let’s move him to 1st base!”

    1st base isn’t a rest stop for old players. Sometimes Jeter makes a bad throw, and when you have a mediocre 1st baseman, you’ll wish you had a real one.

  103. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Hey the Yanks always have and always will have to “overpay” whether with $$$ or send 5 minor leaguer’s instead of 3 by other teams for the same deal.

  104. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Tim

    The difference is, A-rod is a spectacular player. Maybe the best player in the majors and definitely one of the best hitters. Teixeira is not. He simply isn’t talented enough (in my opinion) to warrant a 7-10 year committment.

  105. YankeeJosh August 29th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    Timothy,

    “Why do you constantly ignore arguments against getting Teix? They aren’t going to sign him for 3-4 years. He wants a 7-10 year contract, he’s already made that very clear. Teix is an overrated player and isn’t worth the amount of money he’s going to get. Do you want the Yankees paying 20 million for him in 7 years when he’s declining? Thats the kind of nonsense that has the Yankees in such a hole right now. Teix is a good player, not a great player. In 7 years he will be a mediocre player.”

    Patrick,

    Teixeira is 29 years old. In 7 years he’ll be 36, and position players who are good athletes usually can be productive into their mid-late 30′s. I wouldn’t give him a 10 year contract, but think 7 years wouldn’t be awful. He is the exact type of player this team needs- under 30, very good defensivly, and a switch hitter.

    It’s much more likely that a pitcher like CC would break down sooner than a position player. I agree that pitching is a huge need for the Yankees, but do you want to give 7 years to CC who is only a year younger than Teixeira? All the arguments about th length of the Contract for Teixeira are there for CC too.

    The Yanks also do have some other pitching options besides CC. Wang should be back, and a rotation consisting of Wang, Joba and Hughes, Pettitte, Mussina and maybe a lower level upgrade isn’t terrible. I don’t see where else they get a first baseman and a bat who fits like Teixeira.

    If I’m the Yankees, signing CC and Teixeira are my two off-season priorities.

  106. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    smoothie:

    Like you said, A-Rod may be the best baseball player in the world. Now what would make you say that ? would it be that he was the youngest to hit 500 HR ? the fact that every year its almost guanrenteed he’s gonna hit .300, with 100 RBI, and 30 HR ? but thats not enough. He has to hit it when you think its right. It doesnt count if its not the 8th or 9th inning. I get that he’s held to higher standards, but dont make them impossible.

    So if A-Rod is clearly the best player in the world and he isn’t having an MVP year and hes under performing he should therefore be boo-ed ?

    So even though other players who might not have the ability to be the best in the world like A-Rod, but have the ability to be Great,underperform they get a pass cause there not A-Rod ? Molina can hit .220 cause hes not A-Rod ?

    chhmmoonnn

  107. randy l August 29th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    ” Judges really don’t like lawyers who are more clever than they are :0 ”

    hey ,maybe that’s why when helping an employee in a small claims case the judge started out by saying to me that impersonating a lawyer is against the law.

    we still won though.

  108. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:30 am

    Patrick:

    I love the idea about the Ryan guy, however it take’s time to get a guy like that and we don’t have one.

    There is enough $$$$ and time to do both, acquire a good 1st baseman now and pitching through FA, without having to give up the minor league pitcher’s. Let someone like you all suggested, to evaluate talent.. this can be done at the same time…

  109. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 10:30 am

    “All the arguments about th length of the Contract for Teixeira are there for CC too.”

    I don’t necessarily agree. The difference between the two is that CC is one of the top pitchers in the major leagues. He is extremely good, durable, and a lefty. He’d be worth 7 years and whatever amount of money he ends up getting. Teixeira on the other hand isn’t one of the top first basemen in the league. He is not a Pujols, Berkman, Howard, Cabrera, etc.

  110. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:32 am

    Honestly what A-rod is, is a 5-tool player, that some of the tool will decline over the next 9yrs of his contract.

    Why not let Tex decline with him. IMO

  111. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    “So if A-Rod is clearly the best player in the world and he isn’t having an MVP year and hes under performing he should therefore be boo-ed ?”

    Ahh.. the thing is, A-rod is having an MVP season. Go look at his stats, he’s among the top position players in the AL this year. He won’t win it but he deserves consideration.

  112. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Name a better 1st baseman that can be gotten now.

  113. mel August 29th, 2008 at 10:34 am

    From a recap of Dan Patrick’s interview of Tiger Woods:

    8. He’s into the Yankees, but the Dodgers are really his team. He’s in a bad mood about the whole topic of baseball.

    Aren’t we all!

  114. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    “Name a better 1st baseman that can be gotten now.”

    Oh man not this argument again.

    The answer is none but that doesn’t mean the Yankees should pay Tex like he’s Albert Pujols just because Pujols isn’t available. By your logic if the best free agent 1B was Kevin Millar, the Yankees should pay him $140 million over 7 years because he’s the best 1B available.

  115. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:36 am

    Tex is a perfect replacement for Abreu in the order.

  116. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Patrick â„¢:

    No I only would like Tex, your adding Millar, Pujols cannot be gotten now, for just $$$$

  117. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:38 am

    So then your logic would be, get Millar for 2 mill and put him at 1st…

  118. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Millar is like 34/35…right

  119. murphydog August 29th, 2008 at 10:39 am

    “hey ,maybe that’s why when helping an employee in a small claims case the judge started out by saying to me that impersonating a lawyer is against the law.”

    Judges also don’t like getting double-covered ;)

  120. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:39 am

    Unfortunatly Millar only hits against us.

  121. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    Patrick â„¢:

    I only bring up Tex because he fit’s, not many do…

  122. mel August 29th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    I don’t think anyone would deny that we need Tex. The question is would it be prudent of the Yankees to outbid the Angels?

    Of course you get in the mix, but when you start to reach the $200M stratosphere you’ve got to pull out at some point.

  123. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    Whether we can get himor CC is another thing..but you have to admit trades in the past with the exception of a few have not been good for the Yanks either.

  124. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Tim

    Clearly you don’t listen to logic so I’m going to stop trying. I was giving an example. Maybe you should try to read, comprehend, then post.

    Say you are buying a car and you go to the Chevy dealer. You want to buy a Corvette but none are available. The best car the dealer has is an Impala. Do you pay $50,000 for the Impala (cost of a Corvette)? Or do you offer to buy the Impala for $23,000 (cost of an Impala)?

    In this example, Pujols is the Corvette. He is worth a lot of money but he’s not available. Teixeira is the Impala. He is not worth as much as Pujols but you want to pay him like he is.

    That was a good analogy but not nearly as good as murphdog’s.

  125. murphydog August 29th, 2008 at 10:42 am

    “Name a better 1st baseman that can be gotten now.”

    They don’t need a 1st baseman who is better than Tex and maybe don’t even need one as good as Tex. Why buy a Hummer when a Subaru will do? (Note to all Subaru fans – I actually have one).

    Flash and sizzle are nice but they don’t need an All Star at every position.

  126. YankeeJosh August 29th, 2008 at 10:42 am

    “The difference between the two is that CC is one of the top pitchers in the major leagues. He is extremely good, durable, and a lefty. He’d be worth 7 years and whatever amount of money he ends up getting. Teixeira on the other hand isn’t one of the top first basemen in the league. He is not a Pujols, Berkman, Howard, Cabrera, etc.”

    Patrick, I agree that CC is better at his position than Teixeira is at his. But there’s no way of knowing whether a pitcher will hold up for 7 years. CC’s been a workhorse for sure, but he’s still in his 20′s. Any pitcher can have a sudden shoulder injury or elbow issues. Kevin Brown was durable too until he signed that long term contract. The Yankees stayed away from Santana in part because they worried about giving him a long term deal. The same worries are there for any pitcher. It’s a safer bet that a position platyer will better last the length of a long contract as opposed to a pitcher.

    I agree that Teixeira isn’t Pujols, Berkman, Howard, or Cabrera. But the Yankees shouldn’t be looking for the best star, they should be looking to put together the est team. Teixeira hits for better average than Howard, plays better defense than Cabrera and as a seitch hitter is the perfect fit for the Yankees. I could definitely see him being a Bernie Williams type presence in the line-up and I think that’s been sorely missed the past few years.

  127. murphydog August 29th, 2008 at 10:43 am

    Patrick:

    I went automotive too, just a little lower on the price scale.

  128. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Here is Timmy’s next post,

    “Wait so you want to get an Chevy Impala to play first base for us next year? I’m not too sure about that idea, he’d be a good baserunner but how does he hold the bat?????”

  129. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    Patrick â„¢:

    If you don’t like what I’m saying that’s fine, because you know I’m right, you just have no real reply…to bad..

  130. YankeeJosh August 29th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    “They don’t need a 1st baseman who is better than Tex and maybe don’t even need one as good as Tex. Why buy a Hummer when a Subaru will do? (Note to all Subaru fans – I actually have one).

    Flash and sizzle are nice but they don’t need an All Star at every position.”

    Abreu (the number 3 hitter) most likely won’t be back, we have no idea what Posada will be next year, and this team is still having so much trouble finding ways to score runs. You can’t count on Nady having this type of season again (you hope he does, but it could just be a career year). It seems to me this team does need a significant upgrade at first base.

  131. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    That’s the problem with some of you, you dog evryone else, like your some great expert..it’s laughable how you do this…

  132. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    This is a fan blog, these are what I feel would be good, I give you credit for some of your ideas…but to just dog someone, like your the total expert it’s just not right…

  133. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Now your trying to right my next post, pretty funny…hahaha

    Doesn’t change anything…

  134. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    You gotta love posters like Not quite A Smoothie make claims about players and the sites games like the 9-4 win against Baltimore and says, “See, Rodriguez only hits in blowouts.” What he and others fail or refuse to remember is, that it became a blowout because when Baltimore was leading 4-3 going into the 8th inning, it was Rodriguez double off of the left field wall following Abreu’s single that set up the tying and go ahead runs. The runs scored on a wild pitch and a one out single (5-4 NYY). The 9th inning insurance rally started because of a two out double off of the left center field wall following Abreu’s single. It was followed by two home runs. Who was missing from these rallies? You can hammer Rodriguez from time to time for his failures, but, do yourself a favor and don’t look stupid by twisting facts.

  135. murphydog August 29th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    “It seems to me this team does need a significant upgrade at first base.”

    Fair statement. Or they need to get better production out of that 2d baseman of theirs, or their SS or their RF or their CF. Or, they could pitch a little better, but oddly, that wasn’t really the problem this year.

    There are many way to skin the “runs scored” cat and having plans A,B and C keeps them from overpaying in time and money.

  136. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    There is no way to know what the Yanks will do, but there are holes on this team, that need to be addressed..There are lot’s of way’s to get there….

  137. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    “If you don’t like what I’m saying that’s fine, because you know I’m right, you just have no real reply…to bad..”

    What are you talking about? Every reply I give lays out an argument against your absurd statements.

    I’m not “dogging” you at all. Like you said its a fan blog; you say something stupid and I reply with what I think. Just because you can’t handle someone disagreeing with your idiocy doesn’t mean I’m dogging you.

    At times this blog seems to become Timothy Clougher’s stream of consciousness. He posts every thought that pops into his head as he thinks of it. 10:54 a post by Timmy, 10:55 another one sentence post, 10:55 and 30 seconds another and on and on.

  138. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    To be honest, who really care’s what the price is, it’s not your nor my money? Keeping the youth is far more valuable than using a plentiful resource $$$$..

  139. mel August 29th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    murphydog,

    On the flip side, 1B has been a problem for years. YEARS. If you get the chance to fix it, you gotta do it. Just not for 10 years. YEARS.

  140. YankeeJosh August 29th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    “Fair statement. Or they need to get better production out of that 2d baseman of theirs, or their SS or their RF or their CF. Or, they could pitch a little better, but oddly, that wasn’t really the problem this year. ”

    I agree, Cano needs to step it up. I’ve never been a huge fan of his, he’s a great talent but I hate his approach at the plate and think that keeps him from reaching his potential.

    Jeter will be a year older next year, so expecting his production to increase is a gamble. Yes, you hope it does, but imo, it’s a mistake if the Yankees rely on it.

    Abreu’s actually hit pretty well all year. Maybe you get a slight upgrade with Nady there next year.

    Yes, they definitely need an upgrade in CenterField but I don’t see any great run producing Centerfielders available. And defense in Center is also really important. That’s certainly a big hole for next year and a position where they can upgrade.

    It’s funny because one argument is that Teixeira isn’t superstar enough for the Yankees (no Pujols etc) and the other is that he is too superstar for the Yankees (no All-Star at every position). I fall in the middle, I think he’s not a superstar but a great fit for the team.

    And another thing on the money, the market for players keeps going up and up. In 5 years, Teixeira’s contract may wind up being a bargain, or at the very least, reasonable.

  141. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    How is the Yanks signing Tex stupid, what is STUPID is you act like it’s your money, that is pretty stupid.

  142. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    The problem with your scenario’s there is never a name assigned to acquire, with Tex there is a name assigned…you give no don’t do that…get a who????

  143. pat August 29th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    mel
    I don’t need you to tell me I’m wrong. I have children for that. :smile:

  144. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Tim,

    I will give you this much. I want Teixeira on the team. He’s a very good player and like you say he is the best available 1B. I just don’t want to sign another guy to a LONG and overpaid contract.

    I do care about the money. We have finally seen that the Yankees have a limit in how much they are willing to spend. They didn’t sign Ted Lilly because of the money, instead they went for the cheaper option Kei Igawa. One of the reasons they didn’t get Santana was the money. They didn’t get Beltran because of money. Getting Teixeira costs money and in the future it could cost them better players.

  145. YankeeJosh August 29th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Mel,

    I agree. I wouldn’t go ten years on Teixeira. I’d top out at 7 years. We can argue back and forth but really until we see what the market for Teixeira is, it’s all hypothetical. We can say Teixeira wants too much money and too many years on August 29, but that doesn’t mean it’s what he’ll get.

  146. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Get the Twins talent guy great idea, you never provided how to go about it…yeah I know give me your car analogy agian…

  147. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    There’s other guys available that would be servicile without causing 150mil.

    Guys Like Garrett Atkins, Jorge Cantu, Mike Jacobs, Casey Blake, Adam Laroche, if you want to, take a shot at Casey Kotchman.

    All these guys are above average defensivley, they can all play 1B. & Guys like Cantu & Atkins can drive in runs.

  148. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    murphydog just wants to look good in here by claiming that he drives a Suburu. what he isn’t telling is that it’s a 30 foot stretch Suburu. He likes the leg room.

  149. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Serviciable*

  150. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 11:11 am

    Good defense will also help out our pitching staff.

  151. AD August 29th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    Get over Torre already!! Dodgers just got swept by Phils and Nationals. So much for The Great Motivator…

  152. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    “Get the Twins talent guy great idea, you never provided how to go about it…yeah I know give me your car analogy agian…”

    I never said to get the “Twins talent guy”

    I want to keep Cashman.

    Just because you didn’t understand the car analogy doesn’t mean I’m wrong.

  153. YankeeJosh August 29th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    IMO, the value to a team of having a good switch hitter in the line-up is under-rated. It negates a lot of pitching match-ups and gives the team better opportunities to score runs.

    Hypothetical line-up: Damon, Jeter, Teixeira, A-Rod, Matsui, Nady, Posada, Cano etc.

    Against tough lefties, there are 3 rigties in a row from Jeter to A-Rod and 4 of 5. Against righties, you still have your lefty bats in there. And opposing managers can’t throw one guy out there for an inning to match up lafty/righty late in the game.

    A big reason why I really want Teixeira is because he’s a switch hitter.

  154. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    Patrick â„¢:

    Cheaper option’s aren’t always the best move. They have money off the books…They just don’t want to be over 200 mill, they will be at 130 mill this off season, 30/40 off the books in 09. They have alot of financial flexibility this year and next.

  155. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Patrick â„¢:

    I never said you were wrong, we just have a slight dis-agreement.

  156. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Patrick â„¢:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, you think Cashman now’s talent like the Ryan guy…

  157. Clay Buchholz Loves Laptops(My Latest Blog Entry: My Interview With Chad Jennings) August 29th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Sarah Palin was chosen by McCain as running mate. Very interesting and daring choice.

  158. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    “I never said you were wrong, we just have a slight dis-agreement.”

    OK fair enough. I see where you’re coming from. Like I said I want Teixeira on the team and I think theres a chance he will be. I just don’t want him for 7-10 years @ 20 mil per year. In my opinion the Yankees need to change their philosophy instead of constantly signing big name stars. I want pitching and fundamentals, I’m tired of a team full of sluggers that are terrible at situational hitting.

  159. Ricochet August 29th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    CC is a must, a great young arm and a lefty to boot.

    Teixeira if the price is right.

    Mussina and Pettitte both need to come back next season.

    Let Giambi walk.

    Offer Abreu arbitration, IMO it’s worth the risk of keeping him for 1 more season and if not a couple of compensation picks but there is no way I offer him a new contract. He’s still good offensive player just not as good as he once was and he’s fading but in the field he’s horrible any more he’s so scared of the wall and never seems to run flat out for a ball.

    Jesus Montero catching charade should end as soon as possible because he’s not a catcher and will never be anything more than an emergency catcher at the MLB. While he’s made great strides he’s still behind the curve by a lot. Montero has no catching instincts, has no arm, he’s not athletic, footwork is terrible etc. etc.

    Montero’s skill is he’s very, very special bat that can hit for power as well as for average. Offensively he’s ready for AA ball now. He could possibly be ready offensively by 2010 if he wasn’t stuck learning the in’s and out’s of catching.

    The Yankees have a lot of you catching prospects in the lower minor leagues that have a chance to be very good catchers and Montero isn’t a catcher he would be a 1st baseman or DH that’s playing as a catcher not someone who is actually a catcher.

  160. Clay Buchholz Loves Laptops(My Latest Blog Entry: My Interview With Chad Jennings) August 29th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Whether it’s Teixeira or not, we really need to make some changes to the offense in 2009.

  161. pat August 29th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    smoothie

    Forget mlb.com and go to baseball-reference.com. They have a stat called “go ahead hits”. Unlike RISP and Close/Late, it doesn’t matter who is on base or when the hit happens. It just tells how many hits a player got to give their team the lead. Giambi and A-Rod lead the Yankees despite having the worst BA RISP.

    That A-Rod needs to be better with RISP is a given; but his skill set is also such that he can hit a solo HR that makes him his own RISP. Or drive a ball off the wall to score a runner from first. Those things contribute to wins as well.

  162. Clay Buchholz Loves Laptops(My Latest Blog Entry: My Interview With Chad Jennings) August 29th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    “Teixeira if the price is right.”

    Just curious, what’s the “right price”?

  163. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Patrick â„¢:

    I totally agree on the philosophy it has got to change..we just don’t have alot of options right now.

  164. Patrick â„¢ August 29th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Tim,

    I wasn’t the one talking about Terry Ryan. He’s a good GM, he helped the Twins compete for many years. I don’t know if he would fit with the Yankees. They are a big market team, could he change his managing style to fit that? I don’t know… I’m a fan of Cashman’s, I think he can do the job. I’m not sure where this Terry Ryan stuff is coming from.

  165. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    The problem with signing a 1st man type like Teixeira isn’t just the cost…it’s the length. If he’s signed to 7-10 years (that’s what he’ll want) what do you do with the players coming up in 2 years or so, like Laird, who shows all of the power and good glove of a Teixeira. You get him for the minimum and you have Teixeira at the tailend of his prime. He’ll be good for a few more years, probably. What happens if NYY is paying Giambi money for the numbers that Giambi was putting up in the middle of his contract? You’re still stuck with 3-5 years of Giambi numbers. NYY can bring Damon, Nady and even Matsui into ST in early February and have Martinez give them intense training. They’re good athletes and they can learn it.

    My money is on Damon being the logical choice. He has good, quick hands, he’s the most agile of the three and he’s quick, and he reacts fast in baseball situations. He may or may not be the most intelligent man on Earth, but, he’s baseball smart. His arm isn’t strong, but it’s pretty accurate, and it would no longer be an issue in the outfield, and most importantly, he has quick feet.

    That gives Laird and/or Montero a chance to get ready. Use the money on pitching. In 2010, Jackson and possibly Curtis or Gardner will be ready to take over the outfield spots, although I still have high hopes for Fortenberry as a corner outfielder. Montero and Romine would be ready the following seasons but have no place to play. By the time these kids are ready, Damon, Posada, Abreu will be gone. It’s difficult to imagine that NYY will have an offense as riddled by injuries as it was this season, two years in a row. Signing Pettitte or Mussina is a must also. If you don’t, you’ll have to sign another starter or go with two more kids to go with Wang, Chamberlain and a Sabathia. Hughes is the probable, but, is Kennedy?

    Adding one top of the line starter like Sabathia would be better than adding 2 injury prone pitchers like Sheets and Burnette.

  166. 86w183 August 29th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Money is important, which is why it MUST be spent on top flight free agents who are under 30. Money didn’t keep the Yanks from pursuing Beltran it was the presence of Bernie Williams. Money didn’t keep the Yanks from pursuing Sabathia it was the lack of a power hitting A-list prospect like LaPorta. Igawa cost more than Lilly… Patrick please quit making things up! The Yanks backed off Santana because the cost was money PLUS top prospects.

    Teixiera is no worse than the 3rd or 4th best all around first baseman in the game (Pujols, Berkman, Lee). He also fills a huge need. The Yanks should pursue him without hesitation, but not without limits. If he turns them down, fine. Ditto CC Sabathia, who should get about $ 110 over 5, but EVERY team will be reluctant to give him more than five years. Some of you act like every player is going to cost the absolute most they are hoping for and that rarely happens. If it takes 7 years to get either one, that’s just a financial risk and I might do one, but not both.

    This year Giambi is costing the Yankees $ 28.5 M counting the buyout. The can get Tex for a lot less than that and be much better and much younger.

    Pettite, Mussina and Pavano are costing the Yanks $ 40 M counting Pavano’s buyout. They can get CC and either Pettite or Mussina for less than that.

    So you tell me, is Tex, CC and Mussina for $ 56 M better than Giambi, Pavano, Mussina and Pettite for $ 68.5 ??

    You bet you ass it is.

    Sure it would be great to get cheaper options at 1B but can those guys be gotten with prospects the Yankees are willing to deal? Better to nail the two stars of the FA class, neither of whom blocks any significant prospects in the system than to hope to make good trades.

  167. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    Richochet, have you ever seen Montero play? Or, are you just parrotting what you read by others who haven’t seen him? Right now, he’s a better defensive catcher than Romine, who was drafted more for his defensive abilities than hitting, and, he’s (Romine) hitting better than thought. His defense has been less than good, though.

  168. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    GreenBeret7:

    I thought Laird was the Texas guy….

  169. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    86W, you’re wrong Teixeira will block younger, cheaper players like Brandon Laird and possibly Montero. They are two of the best of the Yankee system power and high average hitters.

  170. Phelps Phan August 29th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    So does Molina still catch Mussina next year ?

  171. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Tim, Brandon Laird plays 1st base for Charleston this year, age 20. He’s the younger brother of Texas catcher, Gerald Laird.

  172. YankeeJosh August 29th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    “I want pitching and fundamentals, I’m tired of a team full of sluggers that are terrible at situational hitting.”

    Teixeira represents that imo. He’s good with the glove, a switch hitter who hits for average and is just a good all-around player. The type the Yankees need.

    He’ll just turn 29 at the start of next season. I figure his prime is ages 28-32, and he may be decling, but should still be above average ages 33-35.

    That’s 7 seasons right there. Four years in his prime, three as an effective albeit decling player. Can Teixeira be an above average player until he’s 35? I think he can be, since he’s not at a position where loss of speed really hurts (like Jeter at Short). That’s why I wouldn’t shy away from giving him a 7 year contract. Anything longer gets into dangerous territory.

  173. saucY - automate the strike zones! August 29th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Timothy – Brandon Laird:
    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=477186

    Phelps Phan
    i sure hope so!

  174. 86w183 August 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Green Beret—

    I’m not wrong. The Yankees don’t reject the best FA at a position of major need because of a player hitting .265 in low-A ball (Laird .265 21 81). Perhaps Laird can play LF? Montero is a catcher. Other than this site, he’s always listed as a catcher. His offensive stats are more impressive than Laird’s (.321 17 84) but it’s a long way from Low A to MLB. If they were performing at AA or AAA then you’d have a point, but not at Low-A.

  175. murphydog August 29th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    BTW, my Subaru is a plain old Impreza 5 door (not an Outback Sport, WRX or STi), with Vehicle Dynamics control, of course.

    You can’t just “get” a Terry Ryan, former Minny GM, but the idea has been floated that the Yankees need to do more in terms of raw talent identification, acquisition and development. I heartily agree.

    Small market Minny always seems to pick good talent and bring it along. If it works in a small market, why wouldn’t it work even better in a big market with more money to spend?

    And, God help me, the Sox spewed forth Youkilis, Pedroia, Ellsbury and some kid pitchers in more or less the same period of time in which they traded for Beckett and Lowell and signed J.D. Drew, Dice-K and Okajima and released Manny and picked up Bay…. All while avoiding long term contracts for older players. Two titles to show for it. Why can’t the Yankees do that?

  176. filthy slider August 29th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Girardi has been great.Torre would have had the same or worse results. Just the fact that Girardi & Eiland know how to manage a bullpen is a stark difference from Torre & Stot.
    Torre should have been shown the door after 2003. Hopefully Cashman will be next. His lack of accumen in the pitching area should open the door for his exit.

  177. Brandon (There is no more doubt the true captain of this team is Jorge Posada ) August 29th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    Montero is most likely being moved to 1B/DH

    As a catcher he’d probably hit .290 w/ 20 HR and near 100 RBI

    As a 1B he’d probably hit above .300 w/ 30-35 HR and near 120 RBI

    We’ll take the latter.

  178. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Murph, I thought all high powered attornies had stretch limos. Hot tub, bar, for secretaries with less typing skills than Giambi has 1st base skills. Anyway, enjoyed your thoughts on the Yanks, today, as always.

  179. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    ***four secretaries***

  180. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    GreenBeret7:

    Thanks.

  181. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Montero may eventually get some playing time at first, but, sharing the catching with Romine, Dhing and playing some first base is more likely with Montero. Laird is for real. He has big time line drive power. He and Montero are playing in a pitcher’s league and Joe Riley Park in Charleston is one of the toughest parks for right handed power anywhere. The winds always blow in from left center, off of the river.

  182. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    No problem, Tim.

  183. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    murphydog:

    The Sox did pull these guys from the minor’s but we have none available, according to you guy’s that know.

    With 100 mill off the books the next 2 season’s, getting Tex make’s sense to me, and plenty of pitching..

    The Sox also did win the WS with a long term contract, Manny. They haven’t won anything without him yet, so the book is still open.

  184. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    They also paid 50 mill to talk to Dice, and 50mill to sign him, he is not worth 100mill.

  185. saucY - automate the strike zones! August 29th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    “**four secretaries**”

    here i thought the hot tub/bar was for the secretaries. it work either way!

  186. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    You guys will be seeing Montero and Laird by mid season in Trenton. Snyder and Krum will be there before the end of next year, too, though Snyder is going to be a man without a position. He’ll be the new Randy Velarde. It will be a while before Suttle and Angelini get there, though. With Suttle, it’s his glove. Angelini just needs to gain some weight and hopefully a new infield coach.

  187. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Yes and no, Saucy…..for four secretaries…

  188. Timothy Clougher August 29th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Couldn’t they offer Tex what he wants, with 5yrs guaranteed and depend on 7-10, 2-5 option yrs with a reasonable buy-out. It’s a win for both side’s, we get 5yrs and if it doesn’t work after 5, buy him out and let him be a FA.

  189. murphydog August 29th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    “Murph, I thought all high powered attornies had stretch limos. Hot tub, bar, for secretaries with less typing skills than Giambi has 1st base skills.”

    The first rule of criminal law? Crime doesn’t pay, not for the client or the attorney.

    The stretch limo guys are the ones from the big White Shoe law firms, (like Senator Mitchell’s firm), or the ones with the long string of WASPY names, or the ones that do plaintiff’s med. mal. or personal injury work. Only problem for them is that it’s hard to enjoy the stretch limo, hot tub thing when you work 100 hours a week.

    Me? I’m just a humble and underpaid Subaru driving Yankee loving former prosecutor trying to keep the machinery of the system from mashing up the wrong people or from mashing up the right ones too much. I don’t do gang cases or specialize in drug cases. No secretaries, no hot tubs, no secretaries in hot tubs.

    Keeps you more or less honest and with enough time to be with your family and root for the Yankees – and watch your brother’s big screen TV from time to time.

  190. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Murph…you need to be a politician or a sports writer…they don’t do anything except waste oxygen. Then you can get a 4 girl hottub.

  191. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Love those old New England law firm names, like Dewey, Cheatum And Howe.

  192. Brandon (There is no more doubt the true captain of this team is Jorge Posada ) August 29th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    sTevE dA kOoKy mEtS fAn telling Franco after surgery he was throwing 91-92 mph, John told Steve I was throwing 88 mph, Steve said no you were throwing 92 I’m telling ya. I mean who would know sTeVe dA kOoK or John Franco ? :lol:

  193. murphydog August 29th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    “Murph…you need to be a politician or a sports writer…they don’t do anything except waste oxygen. Then you can get a 4 girl hottub.”

    I’ve known too many of the first group up close and most of them I wouldn’t get into a hot tub with; too likely to bring out the piranha in them. As for the second group most of them aren’t paid all that well either.

    Besides, 4 on one seems so, well, undemocratic. I’ve come to believe in one man, one vote, so to speak.

  194. Ariel August 29th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    When assessing next year, the boys in charge should take cognizance of the wall phobic ventures of Abreu which have been extremely costly but not underscored by the media. He played Bay’s hit the other night into a triple by “leaping” (for Abreu that was a leap) two steps early for fear of crashing into the wall. Compare this to efforts of his Rays counterpart the other night who crashed into the wall to deny an extra-base hit. And the homers in the YES box (either Leiter or Flaherty) commended Abreu on a good effort!!! Deplorable!!! It would indeed be shocking if he were to be resigned.

  195. doslobo38 August 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Look I really like Nady and hope we keep him, but he is NOT a replacement for Abreu. Nady is having a great year but his career stats indicate that he won’t keep performing at the level he has this year. Abreu is performing like he always does (and he is batting .347 with a .424 OBP since the all-star break and is hitting right at his career .300 average for the year.) Maybe Abreu is a little slower stealing bases but otherwise he is a proven producer that we need to keep.

    As far a Abreu’s fielding is concerned, maybe he is not the guy making the diving acrobatic catches the youngsters make but his arm is a rocket (10 assists this year.) Abreu is not a flashy get all the glory kind of player, he is a proven professional who grinds out game after injury free game and gets the job done.

    Unless he demands the farm we need to keep him on the team.

  196. Nick August 29th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Offer I-Rod arbitration but tell him he’s going to be the backup. He’ll decline for sure.

  197. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Ariel, you’re another of the “Crash Craddock Brigade”. Is saving 5-7 runs a year worth losing a run producer like Abreu for 2-3 months? For people like you, you’d be better off going to a demolition derby. Maybe, if you bothered to find out why Abreu and others don’t do face plants on walls, you’d understand. By the way, that wasn’t a Ray, that was Jacoby Ellsbury. Also, like Rowand has, he’ll learn the hard way, it’s smart to challenge the walls too often. It tends to shorten careers.

  198. bru August 29th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    burnett would be a huge mistak.he would cost too much and get’s hurt a lot.don’t get caught up in the hype.he has a 4.58 era.the yankees can get anybody to pitch to 4.58 era.the yankkes have to get a pitcher or pitchers that have good era’s,baa,whip,hits per innings pitched instead of signing a player who had one good year.cc is worth it but i am afraid he will wan’t 6 or 7 years in wich i wouldn’t touch him.5 years max.they don’t need him as long as they have 3 or 4 pitchers with era’s under 4 like sheets,wang,joba and sheets would cost half of what cc would.sheets,wang,joba,pettitte,mussina,hughes.

  199. Mick Jagger August 29th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    You can’t always get what you want.

  200. tim boat August 29th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Montero? Seriously? The guy is in Class A, there’s a real good chance he’ll never amount to anything or even sniff the majors. God I hate prospect huggers.

  201. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    God, I hate imaginary fans that don’t realize where players come from, but, feel the need to make disparaging remarks about players they’ve never seen, and people who follow them.

  202. doslobo38 August 29th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Not resigning Abreu would be a hugh mistake for the Yankees. The guy is a proven producer. He is hitting right at his career average .300 for the year and since the all-star break is hitting .347 with a .424 OBP. He has a great arm and 10 assists so far on the season. Maybe he can’t steal bases like he used to but his skill at working high pitch counts, situational hitting and overall hitting and rbi production is excellent.

    Also the guy is an iron man giving us 150 plus injury free games a year. He may not be the headline stealing superstar that Arod and Jeeter are but he is the guy who is there every day quietly getting hits, driving in runs and scoring for the team.

    Look Nady is great, I really like the guy and hope the Yankees keep him, but he is no replacement for Abreu. Unless Abreu asks for the farm in his contract negotiation we need to sign him for at least two more years.

  203. zztu August 29th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    You are all aruging about gambling on an unpredicatble, unforseeable future.

    No one can be right.

    The only answer is whatever it is that Cashman dose you hold him 100% accountable for. If he signs CC for 10 years and he has elbow sergery in 2009, or it you sign TEX and he bats .265 you fire Cashman all the way down to Giradi.

    No one knows the future. Espically when you give grown men contracts that make them wealthiest people on the planet no matter how they produce

  204. rodney August 29th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    i think people are being too harsh on Girardi. For all intents and purposes he’s done his job. Wang, A-Rod, Posada, Matsui, Damon and Jobda and Jeter (am i missing anyone) have all missed signifigant time this season and the Yankees still have a mathmatical chance at doing what joe torre did last year. And we look at Golden Boy Torre out west with his new slugger still struggling to beat a team with a record three games worse than Girardi’s injury circus. And Mattingly? Let’s not kid ourselves, my fellow yankee fans, the team would be better off with Michael Kay as a manager then Don Mattingly.

  205. Mike Housman August 29th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Peter,

    Your first answer about what to do next year at 1B,OF and SP I hope is NOT what will happen. If they do not get a true CF, keep both Pettitte and Mussina and use Posada at 1B they will be worse than this year. They need to do some serious work w/ this team and bring in some younger, hungrier players. They cannot have an OF of Nady, Damon and Matsui and expect to pass the Red Sox and Rays.

  206. bru August 30th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    if they can sign cc and tex and address the center field,pitching problems and have payroll sitting at 170 million then i say fine but i wouldn’t give tex or cc anything over 5 years.offer abraeu arbitration and hope he comes back for a little less,let’s say 13 million/one year,find the best fit for first base,maybe posada,nady,jeter,let pettitte,giambi,pudge go,sign moose for one year maybe 10 million,intelligently chip away at payroll,mussina and abraeu come back for a few million less so you save around 6 million on those two and still bring them back.the yankees need a young frontline pitcher or one that is nocking at the door but won’t cost 20 million and 7 years,they should try to do what the red sox did with becket.consider packaging cano,hughes and maybe another prospect for a young pitcher like carmona.this team needs a shakeup and the pitching staff needs a makeover.if they can get one ace to go with wang,joba,mussina they should be fine and just fill in the gaps with high obp guys.

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