Comments on: Credibility and accountability take a hit http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:38:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: AJW http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/comment-page-6/#comment-520630 AJW Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:33:10 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/#comment-520630 Also, for some people that want Girardi out of here. Can we give him the length of the contract? We can't make the playoffs every year. It's not Girardi's fault. Torre would have not done any beter. If it was not for Arod's monster season last year we probably would have missed the playoffs as well. This team is and was getting older and needs to shed a lot of that. Stop blaming the manager for everything. Maybe Cashman needs to be part of the blame. Also, for some people that want Girardi out of here. Can we give him the length of the contract? We can’t make the playoffs every year. It’s not Girardi’s fault. Torre would have not done any beter. If it was not for Arod’s monster season last year we probably would have missed the playoffs as well. This team is and was getting older and needs to shed a lot of that. Stop blaming the manager for everything. Maybe Cashman needs to be part of the blame.

]]> By: AJW http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/comment-page-6/#comment-520624 AJW Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:25:50 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/#comment-520624 I agree Pete. Cano should face the music. Not leave the clubhouse like a baby and not talk to you guys. As much of a Girardi supporter I am you are right about him as well. He needs to say "Robbie botched the play". Plain and simple. Also he is no where the defensive second baseman Robbie Alomar was. I agree Pete. Cano should face the music. Not leave the clubhouse like a baby and not talk to you guys. As much of a Girardi supporter I am you are right about him as well. He needs to say “Robbie botched the play”. Plain and simple. Also he is no where the defensive second baseman Robbie Alomar was.

]]> By: Harley http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/comment-page-6/#comment-520580 Harley Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:08:36 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/#comment-520580 Great idea, Pete. Managers should always rip their players publicly after having a bad game in order to make all the self-entitled babies in the stands happy. Hey. Maybe Joe could actually boo A-Rod during games. That would show everyone that he's ready to manage! I'll bet the players don't share your opinion on this. And I'm a little surprised you have the opinion in the first place. Is Mike auditioning for a new Mad Dog already? Great idea, Pete. Managers should always rip their players publicly after having a bad game in order to make all the self-entitled babies in the stands happy. Hey. Maybe Joe could actually boo A-Rod during games. That would show everyone that he’s ready to manage!

I’ll bet the players don’t share your opinion on this. And I’m a little surprised you have the opinion in the first place. Is Mike auditioning for a new Mad Dog already?

]]> By: The DisabledMess http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/comment-page-6/#comment-520554 The DisabledMess Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:47:37 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/#comment-520554 Pete said everything perfectly. 100 percent right. Pete said everything perfectly. 100 percent right.

]]> By: RSM http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/comment-page-6/#comment-520553 RSM Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:42:18 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/#comment-520553 Few things: As much as I can't stand Pedroia, the guys a gamer. I'd take him at second over Cano any day of the week. Cano has more raw talent, but Pedroia is more focused and plays harder. SJ44 is right, Cano needs to be traded in the offseason while he still has some value. Frankly, we should be shopping for a SS and moving Jeter to second. I was thrilled when the Yankees hired Girardi. Early in the year I thought Pete was nitpicking, and just missed Torre's ridiculous wide-open book approach to dealing with the media. However, as the year has progressed my opinion is changing. Pete is spot on tonight in his criticism. I don't blame Girardi for this year's failure, but he has a lot to learn if this team is to be successful in the future. Few things:

As much as I can’t stand Pedroia, the guys a gamer. I’d take him at second over Cano any day of the week. Cano has more raw talent, but Pedroia is more focused and plays harder. SJ44 is right, Cano needs to be traded in the offseason while he still has some value. Frankly, we should be shopping for a SS and moving Jeter to second.

I was thrilled when the Yankees hired Girardi. Early in the year I thought Pete was nitpicking, and just missed Torre’s ridiculous wide-open book approach to dealing with the media. However, as the year has progressed my opinion is changing. Pete is spot on tonight in his criticism. I don’t blame Girardi for this year’s failure, but he has a lot to learn if this team is to be successful in the future.

]]> By: Hightops http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/comment-page-6/#comment-520552 Hightops Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:39:53 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/#comment-520552 Isn't blaming Cano for that loss a lot like blaming Steve Bartman for the Cubs loss? I mean, he put a runner further into scoring position and didn't get a single out from it, but then why does the staff get a pass on allowing a millions runs to score? They had a 4 run lead, even if Cano's error allows the other run to score doesn't mean you allow the 1 for Twenty-what-ever Jose Batista to get a hit, and then the parade of players afterward. Remember the beginning of the season when Cano was playing his best defense ever, his hitting wasn't doing anything but his glove was saving us. Time moved on and he's gone backward every single way. Maybe he's hurt? I can't think of anything that might be keeping him off the bench or out of the line-up unless he's taking one for the team and playing hurt. I guess enough is enough at this point, we've seen lackadaisical play from him before. A-Rod is dreadful at the plate. Yankees don't score with runners in scoring position. Maybe it's a club house issue, they have largely the same hitters from last year, plus upgrades, and will score 200 fewer runs. Where does one begin to look for answers? Peter Abraham is around them, he talks to people who talk to people, he knows better than all of us. Isn’t blaming Cano for that loss a lot like blaming Steve Bartman for the Cubs loss? I mean, he put a runner further into scoring position and didn’t get a single out from it, but then why does the staff get a pass on allowing a millions runs to score? They had a 4 run lead, even if Cano’s error allows the other run to score doesn’t mean you allow the 1 for Twenty-what-ever Jose Batista to get a hit, and then the parade of players afterward.

Remember the beginning of the season when Cano was playing his best defense ever, his hitting wasn’t doing anything but his glove was saving us. Time moved on and he’s gone backward every single way. Maybe he’s hurt? I can’t think of anything that might be keeping him off the bench or out of the line-up unless he’s taking one for the team and playing hurt. I guess enough is enough at this point, we’ve seen lackadaisical play from him before.

A-Rod is dreadful at the plate. Yankees don’t score with runners in scoring position. Maybe it’s a club house issue, they have largely the same hitters from last year, plus upgrades, and will score 200 fewer runs. Where does one begin to look for answers? Peter Abraham is around them, he talks to people who talk to people, he knows better than all of us.

]]> By: Pepitone http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/comment-page-6/#comment-520549 Pepitone Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:14:17 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/#comment-520549 I'm one of Girardi's biggest defenders, but even I am getting very very tired of his excuses for player's unprofessional lazy play. Robinson Cano should be benched, PERIOD. He needs to know who is in charge. Right now it's Cano who is in charge. If I'm the owner of this team I call in Girardi and demand accountability for this. If he won't discipline his players, then he can't lead. And if that is the case, you have to let him go. I like Joe as a player, and I was 100% behind his being hired as Yankee manager, but if he won't take charge, then he can't manage. I’m one of Girardi’s biggest defenders, but even I am getting very very tired of his excuses for player’s unprofessional lazy play. Robinson Cano should be benched, PERIOD. He needs to know who is in charge. Right now it’s Cano who is in charge.

If I’m the owner of this team I call in Girardi and demand accountability for this. If he won’t discipline his players, then he can’t lead. And if that is the case, you have to let him go.

I like Joe as a player, and I was 100% behind his being hired as Yankee manager, but if he won’t take charge, then he can’t manage.

]]> By: Ventolin(don't mind me) http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/comment-page-6/#comment-520548 Ventolin(don't mind me) Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:07:24 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/#comment-520548 Girardi is Belichick without the charm. Girardi is Belichick without the charm.

]]> By: bigjf http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/comment-page-6/#comment-520527 bigjf Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:29:50 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/#comment-520527 Cano isn't lazy because of his race, he's lazy because he's lazy. That's pretty well known and easy to see. He makes the spectacular play, but you'll see him from time to time take a routine play for granted. That's when he pulls something like he did today. Don't get me wrong, I still regard him as an excellent fielder overall, but there's no denying that he had Larry Bowa screaming at him last year because of how he takes his spot for granted. I don't know if Melky fell into that as well, but sending him down was definitely served to wake up Cano as well. It's understandable...162 games, nice raise in salary, you're going to have some days when your head isn't screwed on tightly, but I think that's partly what we've seen in his struggles at the plate this season. Perhaps he took it for granted that he would hit .350 in this league, so he goes strolling to the plate as though he's just going to crush the first pitch. I do think he's a hard worker, but he does get lazy at times. And after something like today, you absolutely have to stick around and talk to the reporters. For once I agree with Pete. I don't agree with him necessarily about his point on Girardi (while I think the Alomar comparison might have been over the top, I feel he was just trying to protect Cano), but I do know that teammates expect you to stick around when you have a bad game and hold yourself accountable. We've heard Jeter and Mattingly both say it, but then again, Cano isn't a captain....Still, he shouldn't expect the media to do him any favors if he's not going to offer any quotes. Cano isn’t lazy because of his race, he’s lazy because he’s lazy. That’s pretty well known and easy to see. He makes the spectacular play, but you’ll see him from time to time take a routine play for granted. That’s when he pulls something like he did today. Don’t get me wrong, I still regard him as an excellent fielder overall, but there’s no denying that he had Larry Bowa screaming at him last year because of how he takes his spot for granted. I don’t know if Melky fell into that as well, but sending him down was definitely served to wake up Cano as well. It’s understandable…162 games, nice raise in salary, you’re going to have some days when your head isn’t screwed on tightly, but I think that’s partly what we’ve seen in his struggles at the plate this season. Perhaps he took it for granted that he would hit .350 in this league, so he goes strolling to the plate as though he’s just going to crush the first pitch. I do think he’s a hard worker, but he does get lazy at times.

And after something like today, you absolutely have to stick around and talk to the reporters. For once I agree with Pete. I don’t agree with him necessarily about his point on Girardi (while I think the Alomar comparison might have been over the top, I feel he was just trying to protect Cano), but I do know that teammates expect you to stick around when you have a bad game and hold yourself accountable. We’ve heard Jeter and Mattingly both say it, but then again, Cano isn’t a captain….Still, he shouldn’t expect the media to do him any favors if he’s not going to offer any quotes.

]]> By: Angie http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/comment-page-6/#comment-520517 Angie Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:50:24 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/08/30/credibility-and-accountability-take-a-hit/#comment-520517 I always think Robby is ladalada type of player. But I didn't know he was dominican, so I guess his heritage doesn't matter. I always think Robby is ladalada type of player. But I didn’t know he was dominican, so I guess his heritage doesn’t matter.

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