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Game 137: Yankees at Tigers

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YANKEES (72-64)
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady LF
Matsui DH
Cano 2C
I. Rodriguez C
Ponson RHP

TIGERS (66-70)
Granderson CF
Polanco 2B
Ordonez RF
Cabrera 1B
Joyce LF
Sheffield DH
Larish 3B
Inge C
Santiago SS
Verlander RHP

Sidney Ponson (7-5, 4.80) vs. the Detroit hitters.

Justin Verlander (10-14, 4.53) vs. the New York hitters.

Notes: Happy Labor Day. … The Yankees today start a 10-game, 10-day road trip. The game today is the makeup of a rainout from May 11. They go from here to Tampa Bay, Seattle and Los Angeles. … Today’s matchup is one of two of the most disappointing teams in baseball. The Yankees are 12.5 games out first, the Tigers 11.

SIR SIDNEY ON THE SKIDS: Sidney Ponson has allowed 15 hits and 11 runs in his last 6.2 innings.

BIG G ON A ROLL: Jason Giambi is a modest 7 of his last 26. But he has four homers and 11 RBI. His 84 RBI lead the team. Oddly, Giambi does not have a double since July 2.

CLOSING IN: Alex Rodriguez has 547 home runs. He needs one more to catch Hall of Famer Mike Schmidt for 12th place in history.

STRUGGLE CITY: The Yankees scored 19 runs on the six-game homestand and were 9 of 48 (.188) with RISP.

PETTITTE PROBLEM: As the Yankees try to decide what to do next season, what about Andy Pettitte? He’s 1-4, 7.01 in his last seven starts. In 42.1 innings he has allowed 58 hits.

HELLO PAL: The Yankees could get a look at old friend Kyle Farnsworth, who was traded for Pudge Rodriguez at the deadline. Krazy Kyle has appeared in 11 games for Detroit, giving up 17 hits and six earned runs in 11.3 innings.

UPDATE, 12:17 p.m.: OK, lots of news:

40-MAN ROSTER MOVES: Jorge Posada was placed on the 60-day DL and Billy Traber was DFA’d.

JOBA UPDATE: He will be activated tomorrrow. Joe Girardi said they planned to use him out of the bullpen for the rest of the season because it’s too late to build him back up to start.

Brian Cashman (who is on the trip) said the intent is to have Joba return to starting next season. But he said it was something they had to further discuss.

MINOR MATTERS: Humberto Sanchez has been assigned to Trenton for the playoffs. … Jeremy Bleich will start one of Staten Island’s playoff games.

CALL-UPS: Unlike last season, when the Yankees called up most everybody on the 40-man, the Yankees are only going to call up those players who will actually play. It does not sound like Phil Hughes is coming back. He’ll pitch for Scranton, keep working in Florida then report to the Arizona Fall League. Girardi and Cashman also indicated little interest in having Melky Cabrera return. Ian Kennedy may have a chance.

CASH ON THE ROAD: It’s fairly unusual when Brian Cashman travels. He said he’s evaluating players both in terms of this season and next. He also said he is not going to Tampa to discuss his own contract situation or necessarily to meet with the Steinbrenners. “This is where I feel I need to be,” he said.

UPDATE, 1:34 p.m.: Nice moment here in Detroit as Pudge Rodriguez got a standing ovation from the fans and stepped out of the box to tip his helmet.

Then he struck out and they cheered again, this time for Justin Verlander.

UPDATE, 1:49 p.m.: Wow, Justin Verlander stinks.

UPDATE, 2:06 p.m.: Wow, Sidney Ponson stinks, too.

UPDATE, 2:15 p.m.: The Yankees have eight runs on 10 hits and haven’t made an out in the third inning. They scored 19 runs on the six-game homestand.

UPDATE, 2:28 p.m.: Humberto Sanchez tossed an inning for Trenton today, his first appearance at that level this season. He whiffed two Connecticut Defenders but also gave up a run on two doubles.

Mike Ashmore has all the details – and photos and video – over on Thunder Thoughts.

UPDATE, 2:50 p.m.: Another smooth Robbie Alomar-type play for Robbie Cano and that’s it for Sir Sidney in the fourth inning.

Just a brutal day for Sir Sid. Three innings plus five batters, nine hits and a walk and five runs so far.

UPDATE, 2:51 p.m.: Ponson’s last three games: 9.2 innings, 24 hits, 18 runs, 17 earned runs, six walks, four strikeouts. That’s a 15.83 ERA. What compelling reason is there to continue starting him every five days?

Meanwhile, Edwar Ramirez continues to do his Clay Council impersonation.

UPDATE, 3:21 p.m.: My apologies to Mr. Council. Ramirez gives up far more hard-hit balls.

Can you expand the roster in the fifth inning? Call up Hughes, Kennedy and Igawa.

UPDATE, 3:44 p.m.: My scorebook looks like my 3-year-old nephew drew on it. The first three hitters have scored eight runs for the Yankees.

UPDATE, 3:55 p.m.: Something is wrong with Bruney, at least it looks that way. His mechanics are all messed up.

UPDATE, 4:10 p.m.: Welcome to the majors, Phil Coke. He fanned Curtis Granderson to get his career started, good for him.

UPDATE, 4:17 p.m.: And Coke gets through the inning, leaving a runner on second. That makes him today’s ace.

UPDATE, 4:52 p.m.: The Yankees allow nine runs on 13 hits and six walks and win! There’s something you don’t see every day. Fine work by Brian Bruney, Phil Coke, Damaso Marte and Chris Britton to clean up up the mess left by Sidney Ponson and Edwar Ramirez.

 
 

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730 Responses to “Game 137: Yankees at Tigers”

  1. bphill September 1st, 2008 at 9:48 am

    maybe this can fire pudge up…….

  2. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Big win Go Yanks!

  3. Mr. Fusco September 1st, 2008 at 9:52 am

    I think pettite will not be back.

    moose? yes.

  4. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 9:54 am

    So yeah if Cano was to be dealt how about for Kemp straight up? Yanks are in NEED of a centerfielder. OR we can go after someome like Shane Victorino. I’d perfer a guy like Cody Ross from the Marlins. He can patrol center who has a good arm, he can hit for power and knock in a bunch. If Cano stays put would any of you consider Hughes in the deal for Ross instead? OR how about that Joey Votto deal for Hughes straight up? Thoughts?

  5. Fran September 1st, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Let’s go Yankees. Get this road trip off to a good start.

  6. 27 this year September 1st, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Iris, teh Yanks will be in even more need for a 2B. At least, we have warm bodies with Melky and Gardner and Damon for center. We got dirt at 2B without Cano.

  7. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 9:59 am

    As of right now Yanks are 7.0 games back in the WC. The east? Don’t even dare to look. We need to win as many games as we can. Man I want to see this lefty Coke pitch. I heard he can blow people away.

  8. bru September 1st, 2008 at 10:01 am

    pettitte has to be let free.the pitching staff has to be built aroung wang and joba.
    joba should be shut down also.i would consider bringing mussina and pavano back on the right terms to be the 4th and 5th guys because they are both better than pettitte right now.pettitte is falling apart quickly in my oppinion.

    i’d love to see a trade of hughes,cano,nady,melancon for kemp,loney,billingsley.you get younger,fix you’re center field,first base problem.replace hughes then you can work on trading damon,matsui for corner outfielders,pitching,bullpen,bench.

    the yankees should work on getting all new,young outfielders,first base and use all the minor league pitching debth to do it while signing a pitcher or two and trying to bring in 2 under the radar potential pitching studs like billingsley,carmona,etc….

  9. Boooooo September 1st, 2008 at 10:01 am

    ross is no better than melky hitting .250 just with more pop

  10. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 10:02 am

    27 this year: I know just a thought. Well anyways I still think we should trade for Victorino or Ross in exchange for pitching. That’s IF we lock up C.C. … Again a Big IF.

  11. Thomo September 1st, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Andy should walk away – he is a proud man, and has surely much to be proud of. Time to turn the page on him. Cano will develop into an above average player – at second base perhaps even a great player. He is immature and in need of “a big brother/father figure”- get him one. It makes no sense to trade him for other immature players (e.g. Kemp) or average players (Victorino or Ross). Do not trade Hughes – he has a huge upside – he is still very young – he will be a number 2 or 3 guy for the next 5-7 year for someone.

    I am a big Jeter fan – hopefully this is just an off-year but he lacked “it” this year – his final numbers will be ok but his performance when it counted – not so ok. I still feel he needs to move into the outfield – first base is not an option – I fear Jorge will be need to be there for much if not all of next season (and beyond?). So hopefully Pudge begins to Pudge again – because as good as Molina is he is not an everyday catcher in the American league east. Keep Damon in left; move Nady to right and put Jeter in Center. if it was good enough for the Mick; Tom Tresh and Bobby Mercer (not to mention Robin Yount) it is good enough for Derrick.

  12. bye melky September 1st, 2008 at 10:04 am

    there are 2 series vs tampa bay and the last series is vs the red sox. they still have a chance.

    i dont think they should trade hughes while his value is so low. last year he was the center piece for a john santana trade. now you are talking about trading him for some OK outfielder.

  13. Patrick Bateman September 1st, 2008 at 10:05 am

    There isn’t really a problem with Pettitte. He shouldn’t be back next season.

    And neither should Cashman.

  14. Phil - 27 in '08 September 1st, 2008 at 10:07 am

    Cashman will be back.

    Pettitte is a left hander who would make a good number 3 starter in the NL or even a good number 5 starter in the AL. If he wants the money, a team out there will give it to him.

  15. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 10:07 am

    Thomo who would you put in center? And 1B?

  16. bye melky September 1st, 2008 at 10:11 am

    jeter in CF, posada at 1b

  17. 27 this year September 1st, 2008 at 10:16 am

    You know, looking at everything, we have to make a few trades using some pitching to get some decent guys. However, Sabathia doesn’t have Boras as an agent which means hopefully it doesn’t take forever. Best case scenario is to sign him before the Winter Meetings although that would be impossible. The only reason is the quicker we solve our pitching situation with getting some of the guys out there, the quicker we could move to pluggin in our holes. Cashman got a hard offseason coupled with the missing of playoffs and Hank, the guy with a mouth that could fit a watermelon in it.

  18. murphydog September 1st, 2008 at 10:17 am

    (I moved this here from the earlier thread since it seems to better fit here).

    Some random thoughts about next year – since it’s never too early to get ready for next year.

    Infield:

    SS and 3d base are set for ‘09. But trading Cano for Starting Pitching or impact position player (maybe a catcher) will be considered. While trades seldom work out the way they seem to have worked this year for Volquez and Hamilton, Cano has the kind of talent, IMO, with which you can do a similar deal.

    1st base: It’s a real issue, but not the way you’d think.

    While a few months ago I would have said it was impossible to consider not saving a spot for Po at first base over the next three years, the shoulder injury may have changed everything.

    Po may or may not be able to catch next year, but if his shoulder is not a lot better, he won’t be able to hit much either, whether he’s at 1st base or catcher. And the Yankees won’t really know what they have in Po by ST.

    Do they gamble and make off season plans assuming Po’s OK? IMO, no. The Yankees were forced to think about catching this year and do not want to again next year despite all the Georgie-love. The doubts about Po’s shoulder, I think, will force the Yankees to make a move at catcher. Catcher is an everyday position. While Molina has a great arm and calls a good game, the Yankee catcher has to hit. I smell a deal for catcher for ‘09 before they consider bending over backward to acquire Tex for 1st base.

    That takes us back to Big G. Nady can play first but his ‘08 season is shaping up like a career year. I don’t think Cash should count on X-man to put up similar numbers next year, so IMO he fits better at LF than 1st base. (Matsui can’t play LF everyday with those knees). Giambi’s numbers (other than batting average and RISP) are still valuable if not staggering. And he did manage to play a lot more games at 1st this year than anyone expected. Crazy as it sounds, if G is willing to take a big pay cut for a one-year deal, Cash has to think about keeping him over Matsui (Matsui can’t play 1st). If they keep G, IMO that puts Matsui in play as a trade piece to an AL club looking for a DH/part-time LF. I think the volatility at 1st base and catcher also means they re-sign Abreu for RF.

    Rotation still a priority? Yes, but the Yanks’ willingness to overpay for CC depends on how high they rank their needs at Catcher and 1st base. They scraped by with patches in the rotation this year and may do so until the young guns come online. IMO, it’s Catcher, then starting pitcher and only then do they make a big deal at 1st base.

    SO, how’s that sit with your coffee and bagels this morning?

  19. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 10:17 am

    I wouldn’t trade Hughes for Victorino. I meant someone like Kennedy plus prospects. Ross, I gave some thought. Since Cash didn’t deal Phil for Santana, I don’t think he’s going anywhere. Same with Cano but again It’s all talk. We don’t know what’s going on in our GM’s head. He surprised me when he made that Pudge/Farsnworth trade. You know, it would all be easier if we just give teixeira the money. That way we don’t have to worry about our 1B for the next couple of years and not give away anyone who we may regret trading. Sign C.C. Of course. What happens if Tex perfers the Angels though? I hate to say it but we’re going to have to go after Burnett, too IF that happens. This offseason should get interesting.

  20. Mike S. September 1st, 2008 at 10:19 am

    In 1961, Maris and Mantle hit only 16 doubles each. Just saying.

    27: As for 2B, the Yanks could sign Orlando Hudson as a F.A., then look to deal Cano.

  21. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 10:19 am

    Uhh hello jeter said it himself he does NOT want to play center. Also adding it’s not at easy as it looks.

  22. 27 this year September 1st, 2008 at 10:21 am

    bye melky, who plays SS?

  23. 27 this year September 1st, 2008 at 10:23 am

    I am just really worried about giving Tex a seven year deal or more because, that is exactly how the Giambi thing went. I understadn teh whole roids idea but still, a seven year deal at a position we need open in the next few years.

  24. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 10:24 am

    Derek Jeter plays SS. His contract is not done yet so we can look around but that’s about it.

  25. jennifer- I got your back Girardi September 1st, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Geez Pete don’t tell Alex he is close to Mike S. He’ll take weeks to hit that next homerun now. :P

    Bank it, Andy will not be back. That is my prediction. ;)

  26. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 10:27 am

    27: Yanks haven’t won a championship in almost a decade. The time is NOW. If not tex, I suggest we look at someone like Votto, Davis, Conor Jackson etc….

  27. Doreen (I'm thinking we might possibly be just about dead) September 1st, 2008 at 10:33 am

    murphydog (moved my response from the previous thread) :) -

    I’ll say this — you’re a maverick! (Presidential campaign word of the week.)

    Posada not well enough to catch or hit?

    Big G back at first?

    Keep Damon/Gardner/Melky in CF?

    What’d’ya know, no Cano?

    Holy dust in the infield, batman!

    Seriously, though, I’ll bet the Yankees have about a dozen white boards with every possible configuration and contingency working – and if they don’t currently, they will mighty soon.

    Anything’s possible. And not knowing what Jorge will have for them IS a big problem. Changes are easier to swallow coming of a disappointing year.

  28. jennifer- I got your back Girardi September 1st, 2008 at 10:35 am

    Three Salem Avalanche players arrested
    City of Salem Police Department Press Release
    August 31, 2008

    Local police arrest three Salem Avalanche players Sunday after a fight in a restaurant parking lot.

    Salem Police say it happened around 2:00 a.m. at Mac and Bob’s Restaurant.

    Police say they found close to 50 people in the parking lot upon their arrival.

    Avalanche players Koby Clemens and Mark Ori were arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.

    James Goethals was also arrested and charged with assault and battery.

    All three individuals were taken to Roanoke Co./Salem Jail before being released on bond earlier today.

    No other information is being released at this time.

  29. Pat September 1st, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Yankees who? Jeter’s new line of Movado Watches. Maybe Jeter’s more concerned about his endorsement Deals than the Yankees. the Jeter gym, cologne, Ford Edge, what’s next that’s going to have his face and name on. They may as well name the new stadium, Jeter Stadium

    NY Post

    September 1, 2008 –

    SEEMS the word’s out that Yankee captain Derek Jeter is set to unveil his limited-edition wristwatch at the Four Seasons restaurant on Sept. 16 with Movado CEO Efraim Grinberg. “My phones are going bananas,” said Four Seasons co-owner Julian Niccolini. “It’s like a stampede of ladies calling with hopes of catching a glimpse of Mr. Jeter.” Having dated a slew of beauties, Jeter, 34, remains one of the world’s most eligible bachelors.

  30. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 10:39 am

    Doreen, if Yanks are really dead I suggest they let the young guys play since they seem to want it more. This would also be a good time to take a good look at them. I know we’re only 7 back but if they deficit number is too hard to make up, then that’s when you let the likes of Gardner play. I’m pretty proud of those guys in the minors. Look how they’ve played? With more heart than this current 08 yankee team.

  31. Joe from Long Island September 1st, 2008 at 10:43 am

    Some random thoughts of my own –

    1. murphydog – nice summary of the issues. C is a big and unmentioned question. I don’t know if Molina can be an everyday catcher, and maybe this is where Cano comes in. I had been thinking of including him in a deal for a CF, however, using him as bait for a quality starting catcher is intriguing. The thing is, who has a quality starting cathcer to trade? As a stray thought, Russell Martin would be interesting, but would LA deal him? Maybe not for Cano straight up, but with pitching thrown in?

    Further, they need to make decisions about the logjam at the DH spot – they have four lefthanded DHs. At least two, if not three need to go. Which ones could depend on what deals can be made for the two under contract, Damon and Matsui.

    2. I am wondering if Andy is coming back next year. Unless there is some silly mechanical issue that needs to be addressed, he’s looking more and more like another version of Ponson and Rasner, only more expensive.

    3. Most important thought – this one directed to Pete – SAFE TRAVELS.

  32. Ron September 1st, 2008 at 10:43 am

    Can Nady play center? If so, I say we sign Manny.

  33. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 10:43 am

    Hypothetically, if we want to get rid of Cano, maybe dangle him to the Royals for Grienke and Aviles. Grienke will be a good pitcher and Aviles would fill the vacated spot left by Cano.

    And if we want to trade Hughes for a CF or 1B, Votto isn’t entirely out of the question, or (unlikely) a Hughes/Kemp deal. Hughes and Kershaw for LA would be more than dominant.

  34. Clapton100 September 1st, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Iris

    Completely agree

    Why waste September and not learn more about Gardner?

    We know what he can do at Triple A, let’s see if he can come close to that in the majors

    I would like to see him do well, given his speed, grit, youth (25, I think, so we have to make a call on him soon, it’s not like he’s 21)

    We need more defensive speed, way too many balls that are not hit right at the outfielder fall for hits

    Basically, the question on gardber for me is

    Is he more Bubba Crosby or is he more Brett Butler?

  35. joeman September 1st, 2008 at 10:44 am

    trade Cano this offseason for a SP (Ari or LAD) & sign O Hudson as a FA…get A Rowand or take a chance on R Baldelli to play CF,Get Tex & one of these FA..SP CC,Sheets,Burnett or two lesser O Perez types..

  36. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Oh, and Ron:
    Nady is a horrible corner outfielder. He doesn’t know where he is usually. Abreu is bad, but Nady isn’t as good either. However, if we get rid of Abreu than I’d move Nady to right and have Damon in center and Gardner in left (only if we don’t trade for another OF)

  37. bru September 1st, 2008 at 10:46 am

    after this year i think the yankees consider anything.
    trade cano for a good young pitcher,billingsley,cain,etc…..,trade hughes for a solid young outfielder,work on trading damon,matsui,nady for corner outfielder(s) and a first baseman.
    damon,matsui,nady’s contracts all end after 2009 so getting just picks for all of them won’t cut it because it will force the yankees to sign free agents to replace them.

    the yankees need to get something for them now,young outfielders,first base,pitching.

    offer abraeu arbitration.worse case scenario they get stuck with him for only a year at a 20 percent discount and if he has another good year they will for sure get picks after the 2009 season instead of risking it and get nothing.

    they might wan’t to pick up his option and trade him and get something back while his value is high.

  38. Mike S. September 1st, 2008 at 10:46 am

    No, Nady can’t play CF. He has played 45 games in CF in his MLB career, but he’s no CF. And no Manny. No more drama queens. There is already enough.

  39. Clapton100 September 1st, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Stop trading Hughes, it’s nuts to give up on a talented pitcher who is that young

    Look at the history books, most HOF pitchers struggle for two years or so before they hit their stride

    I was in Texas for his no-hitter, he has a chance to be great

  40. Doreen (I'm thinking we might possibly be just about dead) September 1st, 2008 at 10:51 am

    Jennifer -

    Not a good year for the Clemens family. :(

  41. black yankee September 1st, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Please be careful throwing around National League players names. There is a huge difference in the two leagues. A player who is doing well in the NL does not always translate.
    Nady and Bay were fine.
    Orlando Hudson?? He hit 268, 270 and 271 in Toronto when he was 25 26, and 27 years old. Now the last three years in the NL he has hit 287, 294, and this year 305. He will be 32 next season, and coming to the AL I`m sure he will bat like he did in the AL in his prime age years.

  42. Josh September 1st, 2008 at 10:53 am

    It’s funny how people seem to think LA would just love to give Matt Kemp up.

  43. GeneT September 1st, 2008 at 10:53 am

    It’s nice that Joe has committed to a regular lineup. It’s too bad the regular lineup sucks.

  44. Josh September 1st, 2008 at 10:55 am

    I think Hughes should have started today, what’s the worst that could happen now.

    Also, why doesn’t Macy’s ship to Canada?!?

  45. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 10:55 am

    bru, right on point. I completely agree. After another down year ANYTHING is possible this off-season. Let’s hope Cash keeps his composure and do some smart moves. Man only if A-Jax would develop quicker.

  46. murphydog September 1st, 2008 at 10:56 am

    Doreen:

    (Maverick, eh? He, he. I kind of like that). Actually I’m more like Chance the Gardner, from the movie, Being There: “Yes! There will be growth in the Spring.”

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078841/quotes

    Changes are easier to swallow coming off a disappointing year. So true. It gives Cash the power to do almost anything, including some things we all would have considered unthinkable this time last year.

    Many moving parts this off season and it’s hard to know which things will tumble into place by Spring Training. But just to show that you never know what will happen in Baseball, they thought they had solved the catcher problem for at least a couple of years and now they are back where they started from a year later, maybe even a little worse off.

    I think Cashman goes Catcher, then pitcher, then maybe 1st base.

  47. Joe from Long Island September 1st, 2008 at 10:59 am

    1. Isn’t Orlando Hudson post-surgery on his wrist? That could affect his play next season.

    2. At this risk of being redundant, I still think signing Milton Bradley would be a good move. I know his history of temper outbursts, but from what I’ve read, he’s always been thought highly of by his teammates. If he could control himeself, I think an outfield of Bradley in LF, Damon-Gardner in CF, and Nady in RF would be pretty good.

    3. I agree with murphydog, catcher is the big unknown here. And I don’t know if the Yanks will know how Posada will physically respond for quite a while.

  48. jennifer- I got your back Girardi September 1st, 2008 at 10:59 am

    It was a very clear high sky and sunny. He lost it in the sun plain and simple.

  49. Doreen (I'm thinking we might possibly be just about dead) September 1st, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Iris,

    The bottom line is, even though I may be thinking we might possibly be just about dead, it would appear that Mr. Girardi and his team aren’t in that mode just yet.

    So, I don’t know when we get a glimpse of the younger guys. :(

    I’m torn between admiring his (their optimism) and wondering whether it’s my mind that’s going! :)

  50. murphydog September 1st, 2008 at 11:03 am

    “I am wondering if Andy is coming back next year. Unless there is some silly mechanical issue that needs to be addressed, he’s looking more and more like another version of Ponson and Rasner, only more expensive.”

    Moose is back before Andy IMO.

    With a Yankee forecast of “not necessarily better next year” Andy will have a lot to think about. He’s having a bad second half and he’s usually a better second half guy I believe. Is he tiring due to age or is it the barky elbow? Andy is always one foot out the door when it comes to choosing family over one more year anyway. I’m betting he stays home next year and that’s it for him.

  51. Doreen (I'm thinking we might possibly be just about dead) September 1st, 2008 at 11:04 am

    Jennifer -

    In today’s Star Ledger, Nady himself said he did not lose the ball in the sun, that he misplayed the ball by stepping in the wrong direction initially and by the time he self-corrected it was too late. :(

  52. Josh September 1st, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Either way, someone has single handedly been losing games for us this week. If it’s not A-Rod, it’s Cano, or Nady, or so on. I wish this team would just step up to the plate and show a little bit of fight.

  53. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 11:07 am

    True. It hurts to watch your favorite team get burried. It kills to not watch them at all AND when you do see them go at it with no heart what can you do? Root on the team you love most and hope they win some ball games. Imagine Lou as the Yanks manager? Boy things would have been different and Cano would have been UP.

  54. black yankee September 1st, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Kemp is not quite there yet but potentially he looks pretty good. Great speed but is hitting about 290 which could mean 270 ish in the AL. Right now Cano is a better player and Cano is only 2 years older than Kemp.

    Billingsley looks good too, with that 3.13 ERA, proably could be under 4 in the AL which is good

    Cain is 10 games under 500 in his career, and is pushing an ERA of 3.75 in the NL, so I think he is not that good of a prospect.
    I think going right at CC and Burnett (even though Burnett is not dominate against any other teams than the Yanks)

  55. jennifer- I got your back Girardi September 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Doreen, I know what he said, and he didn’t want to use the sun excuse. I’ll use it for him. It was very bright outside.

  56. Josh September 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am

    It’s funny how bad we wanted Girardi last year. To be honest I wish we would have hired anyone else. Girardi doesn’t show enough fire for my liking. I want someone to make headlines, call up players. Not apologize on their behalf saying even the great one make mistakes.

  57. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 11:12 am

    Cain is a great pitcher. The only reason his W-L doesn’t show for it is because the lack of run support he gets from one of the weakest hitting teams in baseball.

  58. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 11:12 am

    Anyone know what’s going on with Humberto Sanchez? I heard he’s been back around for a while and that he was going to the Arizona Fall League. How has he been pitching as of late and how’s his stuff?

  59. black yankee September 1st, 2008 at 11:13 am

    Girardi hopefully has learned a lesson this season. He doesnt know it all.
    I look back to so many games he “threw away” in April, May, and June. Games he sat hot hitters, sat guys, allowed pitching and bullpen tryouts, etc. If he had say 5 of those games back he`d be in this thing right now.
    he kept saying the same thing, “theres lots of baseball left to play” “this is a great second half team” “they have done this before, they will make it up”
    They fell way to far behind.

  60. Josh September 1st, 2008 at 11:14 am

    He’s pitched in two games for Tampa. First start he got hit hard for 2 runs, 3 hits and a walk in two innings. Second appearance he retired the side in one inning with one strikeout.

  61. Josh September 1st, 2008 at 11:17 am

    Matt – NYY fan in Boston,

    You can’t blame run support for his weak showing this year. Look at Lincecum, he is something like 16-2 on the season.

  62. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 11:19 am

    It’s laughable for those people who keep talking about what a stupid, immature, lazy player that Cano is and not worth keeping and then assume that they should trade him for front line pitching or a front line center fielder or in some caes, a front line pitcher and a you middle infielder with less tyhan a year in time to a team that pinches pennies. For God’s sake, make up your mind. If he’s good enough to bring these players back, why trade him when there is no replacement? And, no, Orlando Hudson is not the answer. He wants a multi-year contract and 13-15 million per, regardless of what that idiot, Sherman reported yesterday about how “heartbroken Hudson was when the Mets signed Castillo, because bhe wanted to play in NY”.

  63. doslobo38 September 1st, 2008 at 11:20 am

    The Yankees are foolish if the trade Abreu. He is hitting .300 for the year (.354 with a .427 OBP since the all-star break). He is a professional consistant hitter who consistantly leads the team (or is near the top) in hits, extra base hits, rbi’s, runs, and walks. His defense is nowhere near as poor as many people claim (I do not see us losing games because of Bobby’s D) and his arm is always a threat to opposing baserunners (as proven by his 10 assists this season).

    Losing Abreu would be a damn shame!

  64. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Black Yankee: look at the bright spot, the pen has NOT been overused and you can expect the same from next year. If we do get C.C. don’t expect to see his arm fall off with us. He can go 7 innings top or if the pen needs rest he can pitch deeper into the ball game. Either way he’s a work horse and innings eater.

  65. bru September 1st, 2008 at 11:21 am

    trade hughes for kemp/mclouth/votto/fielder , preferably a center fielder.trade cano and a prospect if needed for volquez.
    with kemp or mclouth you fix the center field problem for years.
    votto or fielder you fix the first base problem for years and you could package kennedy and or prospects to get a young center fielder like kemp/mclouth/chris young of the diamonbacks.
    if you get volquez you easily replace hughes with a more established pitcher.now you can work on trading matsui,damon,nady who’s contracts all end after the 2009 season for corner outfielders,starting pitching,bullpen help.
    i would love a starting pitching staff of sabathia,wang,joba,volquez,mussina/pavano with a new young first baseman and center fielder and one corner outfielder at least then we would only have to worry about an infielder and the other corner outfielder going forward.
    offer abraeu arbitration/if he takes it he will get a 20 percent pay cut and we let him walk after 2009 and get a pick or 2.
    this team needs to be rebuilt intelligently and signing just free agents will build an older and more expensive team.

  66. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Yes, but look at this:
    When Lincecum pitches, the Giants have scored 5+ runs in 11 games. The Giants have scored 2 or fewer runs in only 6 of Lincecum’s starts.
    When Cain pitches, the Giants have scored 5+ runs in only 6 games. Also, when Cain pitches, the Giants have scored 2 or fewer runs 10 times.

  67. BBFan September 1st, 2008 at 11:27 am

    As much as the Yanks chances for playoffs look so bad, they are not unrealistic.

    If Yanks can gain four games on Sox going into that last series any thing can happen. That is the reason Yanks are not using the kids yet. If they fall off another couple of games in the next week or so, then you will see kids audition for 2009.

  68. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Milton Bradley is a DH. If he could stay healthy enough to play in the outfield, do you think Texas would be playing people like Nelson Cruz, Brandon Boggs or Marlon Byrd in the outfield? Bradley has played 19 games in the outfield.

  69. RIGHT after you see pigs fly... September 1st, 2008 at 11:29 am

    “PETTITTE PROBLEM: As the Yankees try to decide what to do next season, what about Andy Pettitte? He’s 1-4, 7.01 in his last seven starts. In 42.1 innings he has allowed 58 hits.”
    .
    If he doesn’t turn it around here in the last month, then you look elsewhere.
    .
    this Rotation, I Love:
    .
    Wang
    Joba
    CC
    Sheets
    Mussina/Hughes/Pavano ?
    .
    Although I realize that it is a “risk” to bring back the Moose to pull another Wabbit outta his hat in 2009, at least he has shown that he has pulled a “Jamie Moyer” this year and DOES hava a chance to “Lather, Rinse, Repeat” next year. If you don’t bring back Pettite, Sheets would be a good fit and the rotation above ( with ONE of the Mussina/Hughes/Pavano trio, stepping up and just being an average pitcher as our #5 starter ) would be, arguably, the best in baseball.
    .
    Here’s holding on to the last sliver of hope that we can be within 1 game of Boston heading into that last series, y’all. Because anyone that thinks NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS until then, that we have more than a 1 in 1000 chance of sweeping those last games IN BOSTON, needs to shed the Pinstripe Glasses, put down the Yankee Pom Poms and really consider putting down the Mad Dog 20/20 for just ONE day in a row.
    .
    :-)
    .
    (meekly) go yankees (yawn)…..ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ (snore)

  70. vin September 1st, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Did anyone catch the Andy Pettitte postgame interview on YES yesterday? Probably one of the most honest interviews I’ve ever heard from a Yankee. Good insight into what he’s thinking.

    Regarding potential trades:

    Why would Volquez get dealt by the Reds. Kemp has way more value than Cano – especially after this season. Kemp has shown progress and an ability to play CF, while Cano has gotten off to another bad start, shown limited power, no ability to draw a walk or drop a bunt, and has made costly errors in the field.

    The impact of his error on Saturday will never be realized by Stat-heads. They’ll see it as just another error, when in actuality it cost the Yankees:
    the game
    Rasner going in to his next start with confidence
    saving the bullpen
    saving Mo, at a time when he’s been throwing a lot.

    Cano is a great talent, but I’d argue he’s not a complete ballplayer, the way a Jeter, ARod, Damon are. Look at the 98 Yanks.. everyone of those guys could situationally hit, draw a walk, drop a bunt (the few times you need to in the AL), and make the plays in the field when they absolutely had to.

  71. hank hal September 1st, 2008 at 11:32 am

    We should see plenty of Aceves and Coke today. Ponson will not last 3 innings against the Detroit lineup.

  72. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 11:33 am

    vin, you have to believe that Cano would rebound with Bowa because the two have a special relationship with eachother.

  73. bru September 1st, 2008 at 11:35 am

    GreenBeret7:

    because if cano can land a great young pitcher like volquez who’s numbers are this 2008 CIN 28 27 16 5 0 0 0 163.0 142 67 55 10 76 161 3.04 1.34 .235 they become a better team.

    now you can trade hughes for a good young center fielder or first baseman.
    their are tons of options to replace cano,a trade,free agent,minors,moving jeter and or arod and getting another infielder.
    i would like to see the yankees wisely get younger and better at center field,first base while replacing hughes.
    volquez is downright nasy and if hughes can land mclouth/kemp/votto/fielder it migh be the way to go instead of signing old big money free agents.

  74. BBFan September 1st, 2008 at 11:36 am

    If Cano always needs a Bowa to perform, trade this high maintenance lazy player now.

  75. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Another big problem would be…what if Moose decides not to come back? I think he would like to pitch in the new ball park for us & the future looks bright. He knows how to pitch still but its about what he wants to do. If I were Moose I’d give it another year or two.

  76. BBFan September 1st, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Why do people think that CIN will trade Volquez for Cano? It will take much more than that.

  77. BBFan September 1st, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Moose will pitch another two years and will try to get to 300 wins which will guarantee HOF.

  78. Fredo Corleone September 1st, 2008 at 11:41 am

    “Why do people think that CIN will trade Volquez for Cano? It will take much more than that.”

    Reds already have a 2B who’s better than Cano. Reds wouldn’t consider this at all.

  79. COL 88 September 1st, 2008 at 11:41 am

    What a disappointment the Tigers have been. Remember Steve Phillips saying they would have the best offense in the history of baseball and would win the WS? After they made the Cabrera/Willis trade, most people picked them to go deep in the playoffs.

  80. AJ YANKS September 1st, 2008 at 11:44 am

    Cano would probably get you Greinke or Cain, at best.

  81. Drive 4-5 September 1st, 2008 at 11:44 am

    It’s time to bid Andy farewell.

    Here’s hoping the Yanks win today just to say they won. But I’m also hoping for a Ray’s sweep after that.

    We aren’t going anywhere and I want every team that can block Boston from making the playoffs win every game from here on out. Here’s hoping the Rays, ChiSox and Twins win every game they play from here on out.

    I know, I’m terrible. I love the Yanks and I hate Boston with all I’ve got.

  82. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Kemp has drawn 38 walks…exactly 10 more than Can, while striking out 134 times. how is that showing the “ability to draw walks”? His offense isn’t any better than what Cano offeres at a tougher position. As far as bunting, how does anybody know that Kemp can bunt? He has 1 sac bunt in his career. He’ also 6’2′ and 230 pounds. How long do you think he can play center field at that size? The talk is about Cano’s attitude…immaturity. That’s the same issues that are being said about Kemp. don’t give me the “change of scenery” BS, because he’s only been in the ML two full season, total. He hasn’t had time to get used to the scenery.

  83. Drive 4-5 September 1st, 2008 at 11:46 am

    GreenBeret7,

    I agree with you on Cano. You wouldn’t happen to know a good drill instructor that could kick him in the rear now and again, do you?

  84. BBFan September 1st, 2008 at 11:47 am

    There is no guarantee that Boston will make it.
    Minnesota or Whitesoz may make it as the WC.
    I still would like to see Yanks go on a roll and make it.

  85. Fredo Corleone September 1st, 2008 at 11:48 am

    “There is no guarantee that Boston will make it.
    Minnesota or Whitesoz may make it as the WC.”

    True, but the schedules favors Boston.

  86. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Bru, why would Cinncinati need Cano to play 2nd base when they have Phillips playing second base?

  87. bru September 1st, 2008 at 11:49 am

    i am not saying the reds would do it but i would make a list of 5-10 pitchers starting with volquez and call and see what it would take to get them excluding wang,joba.
    they might take cano,kennedy,lower level prospect,if not you move on.

  88. Wade Bogg's chicken delivery guy September 1st, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Matt

    “Nady is a horrible corner outfielder. He doesn’t know where he is usually.”

    maybe he has trouble navigating those movable outfield fences that you referenced during that last trip that the Yankees made to the west coast.

  89. Drive 4-5 September 1st, 2008 at 11:50 am

    BBFan,

    I think the straw that roke the camel’s back fell in the 7th ininng of Saturday’s game. They threw the game away and knifed themselves.

  90. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Drive, the only thing wrong with Cano is the same thing that’s wrong with every other hitter on the Yankees…he’s caught in the same team wide, season long slump that they all are. Actually, Cano is hitting over .300 since May 1st. He made an error that cost them a game. Jeter should have been traded 75-100 times in his career, if that’s how people judge players. Talk about over reaction.

  91. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 11:53 am

    I think the Chi-sox, Cubs, & angels have a great chance. The Red Sux don’t stand a chance. I mean the yankees that have been playing poorly had a chance to almost sweep them but they lost on their own.

  92. BB September 1st, 2008 at 11:53 am

    The rotation I hope

    1.CC
    2.Wang
    3.Burnett/or Sheets
    4.Joba
    5.Mussina/or Petitte/or Hughes

  93. bru September 1st, 2008 at 11:54 am

    i am putting out scenarios.
    i don’t know why they would make any trade,maybe play him at third base.

    i’ve heard volquez name come up with sports writers saying that the yankees should try to get him.
    maybe not him but someone similar so if hughes is used in a trade he can be replaced,that’s all.

  94. Joey's Poodle September 1st, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Drive 4-5, yes! I don’t know that I can say I hate Boston with all I’ve got, but I certainly don’t want to hear any more gloating from that direction. Go Rays, Sox, Twinkies!!

    And if we only win a few games for the rest of the season, let it be the three against Boston, in their house, — and every game that Mussina pitches.

  95. george September 1st, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Hughes for Votto or McLouth – that would be insane. these guys are good players, but not worth p*ssing away Hughes’ potential upside over.

    it’s funny, if McLouth were on the Yankees, the subset of this blog’s insane posters would have been begging him to be dumped after he went .233/.293/.385 in 2006.

    Hughes pitched 22 MLB innings this year. He’s 22. get a grip.

  96. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Bru, most “sports writers” know less about baseball than they know about integrity. Their only purpose is to sell papers, and, that means tossing out anything that sounds ridiculous will get the desired reaction from the readers. They could care less whether it’s the truth or who is damaged.

  97. MoBoy(aka McLovin) September 1st, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Hopefully the Yankees get rid of Pettitte and keep Hughes in the minors to start the season next year.

    The Yankees need to learn that rushing pitchers(Hughes,Joba and Kennedy) can really hurt your team.

  98. jax g men September 1st, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    next years rotation – enough with the large contracts to the free agents or the older pitchers, lets inject some youth in the rotation =

    wang
    joba
    hughes
    kennedy
    mccutchen

  99. bru September 1st, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    AJ YANKS:
    then you package him with kennedy and or a prospect to GET IT DONE.
    you have to have a solid plan,not just see what happens and in the big picture their are a ton of formulas that can be used to get what’s needed.
    trade hughes,kennedy for volquez.
    all i am saying is that they need a younger outfielder,first baseman and it would be nice to replace hughes.
    cano probably won’t land volquez but maybe cano,kennedy,melancon do.would i do that?,i might.then work on trading hughes for a center fielder and or first baseman.
    one small step at a time.

  100. Joey's Poodle September 1st, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    jax g men,

    Way to write the recipe for a repeat of this year.

  101. Kill-Schill(ing) September 1st, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    The only player I’d trade Hughes for at the moment– position player, that is– is Ryan Howard. I’m not even sure i’d trade him for Cecil, Jr. because of his weight.

  102. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    I’m ready for Andy to go away. Other than that I really have no opinion on any of the other players, who stays, who goes. This season has sapped me (and everyone else I would think) of enthusiasm and energy.

    GO YANKEES.

    If we are living under the curse of HGH and steroids, maybe Giambi needs to go bye bye too. Then the “purification” will have been accomplished. Oh yeah, Pudge would have to disappear also.

    This team makes my head and heart hurt.

  103. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    And is it me, or was the last time we won a game when Giambi wasn’t in the 5 hole?

  104. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    “next years rotation – enough with the large contracts to the free agents or the older pitchers, lets inject some youth in the rotation =

    wang
    joba
    hughes
    kennedy
    mccutchen”
    we traded mccutchen…

  105. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    I don’t just expect the C.C. signing this offseason, I expect some trades. A big one too or we’re getting no where.

  106. Pirates September 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Mcclouth? Bay? Nady? great OF right?
    Well they comprised an OF for a last place team in a woefully awful league

  107. bru September 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    GreenBeret7: i agree but just out of curiousity give me a scenario on rebuilding this team.
    anything is possible.you don’t know what it takes to land a player.
    cano might not land a certain player but if you combine him with someone else it might work.
    torre loves cano,you never know.
    the yankees just can’t sit still and do nothing.
    cano,hughes still have good trade value and if you throw melancon and ajax into it the chances increase.

    there has to be a way to get all new outfielders and a first baseman and rebuild the pitching staff in a short period of time.the yankees have a ton of minor league pitchers.

  108. Peter Lacock September 1st, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Last year many were saying: By Gosh! We have to win 20 out of 30 -or- we have to play .700 ball, things like that, but a good week changes everything. It was proven as we made a run and came back. When we won 8 in row at the break this year we were right back in it. You never know. It ain’t over ’til it’s over. (thank my stars).
    It’s disturbing how so many are so pessimistic and give up so easily. Many gave up long ago. It’s bad karma. It’s self defeating. I have never been so ashamed. It seems like it might be rubbing off as the team doesn’t have the usual energy. That and all the booing and unfounded and/or unnecessary criticism. It’s a witch hunt. It’s more depressing than losing and it doesn’t help them win. It helps the other team. Is that what you want? Is that how you want others to treat you when you’re trying your hardest? It feels like the players just want to get the season over so they can get away from the constant degradation.
    These guys are the best players in the world and they’re playing their hearts out. They don’t deserve the abuse. If a player hustles but fails he doesn’t deserve to be booed. If he dogs it that’s different.
    I don’t want anyone that ever gives up on my team. In my day it was instilled in your psyche to never, ever give up. Never ever. And all this talk of next year (damn hank) is premature. Worry about today. Next year this team will be essentially the same so forget all the new faces. Ain’t gonna happen. Cashman included. He’ll be back. Bet on it.
    And all these stats people throw out there don’t mean anything. If a guy ain’t hitting that just means he’s due. If a guy makes an error, don’t keep track. Move on because he’s going to do it again someday. If you keep going on and on and on and on and on about it, it just makes it worse. Root for the team and if they fail, root harder. You think that’s wrong? It’s not. It’s fundamental and it shows class.

  109. Pirate outfielders September 1st, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Everyone is singing the praises of Mcclouth, he, Nady, and Bay were the outfield for the awful Pirates, in an awful league

  110. Redding September 1st, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Ponson vs. Verlander
    Mussina vs. Garza
    Pavano vs. Jackson
    Rasner vs. Kazmir

    ouch. 3 out of the next 4 are such mismatches. Verlander is the hard thrower that has given us fits all year. Edwin Jackson has dominated us. Rasner vs. Kazmir? LOL

  111. Forntoso September 1st, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    McCutchen-Tabata-McClouth is going to be a sick outfield.

  112. stuart September 1st, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    mclouth has come back to earth.
    cano for Volquez there is no chance Cincy would ever do that.

    thank god the yanks are still hitting in the clutch at a great rate of about 200.

    these ridiculous posts people make with 3 $15 mill a year starters are simply ridiculous…

    redding if it is to painful why watch???

  113. 27 this year September 1st, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    I love how everyone is clamoring to get Volquez. Anyone want to look up his stats from previous years. he was a top prospect that struggled in the majors. However, he kept getting a chance you know, more than five starts before everyoen gave up on him. Hughes is a lot like that in the way that they are top prospect who struggled. However, Hughes doesn’t get a chance and everyone says he will amount to nothing just like Volquez when he first came up. HYPOCRITES.

  114. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Exactly GreenBeret all bru & I were doing is proposing trade ideas on how to rebuild and how we can accomplish mission 27 with just the right players.

  115. Forntoso September 1st, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    YES is showing Kids on Deck with LaTroy Hawkins recording music.

  116. LLIME September 1st, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Kim Jones still looks good, we can always count on that.

  117. back bench September 1st, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    Everyone is talking player changes. While this is great for conversation purposes, what about coaches and management?

    It seems statistically hard to believe that virtually every one of the Yankee players could have a bad year at the same time and this be solely due to chance. Only the few players that are truely self motivated – Mo, Moose, Dammon – have stayed out of this funk.

    Something drastic has to be done with Meachem, Girardi, etc or IMO, bringing in new FAs and the like will be akin to that deck chair thing.

  118. Fredo Corleone September 1st, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    “Exactly GreenBeret all bru & I were doing is proposing trade ideas on how to rebuild and how we can accomplish mission 27 with just the right players.”

    That’s great, but you have to consider the other teams. Why would the Reds consider Cano when they have a superior 2B already??? Further, you need to understand that moving Cano now is selling low. He doesn’t bring you an ace pitcher. He doesn’t even bring you an ace if he has a good year.

  119. Fredo Corleone September 1st, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    “It seems statistically hard to believe that virtually every one of the Yankee players could have a bad year at the same time and this be solely due to chance.”

    How about solely due to age? Absence of PED’s, in particular greenies, which have long been a part of baseball’s culture, are gone now and it has become a young man’s game. Yankees were relying heavily on a lot of 30-somethings in their everyday lineup this year. Some of these guys are well into the back nine of their careers.

  120. YankeeJosh September 1st, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Last year at this time Pettitte was closing strong for the Yankees while Mike Mussina was out of the rotatation. It’s dangerous to say to bring back Mussina based solely on this year and to right off Pettitte because he has had a bad year. I expect Pettitte will bounce back next year. Remember Moose will be 40 next year, and Pettitte usually is more of an innings eater than Moose. I’d try and bring both back on 1 year contracts and if they are bad, you can readjust. CC, Wang, Joba, Moose, Pettitte, with Hughes waiting in the wings if one fails is how I’d go.

  121. Jeff September 1st, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Tell Cashman we want him out. Thanks for passing on Johan!

  122. Fredo Corleone September 1st, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    “Kim Jones still looks good, we can always count on that.”

    She’s aged nicely. Clay Buchholtz Loves Laptops had a high school pitcure of her on his sight last week and back then it looked like she was separated at birth from Paul Byrd.

  123. CanIGetAMooseCall September 1st, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Why is Pettitte a tough call? He’s wildly overpaid and he’s been mediocre this year (and very ineffective in big spots). Bring him back? Of course not!

  124. YankeeJosh September 1st, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    “How about solely due to age? Absence of PED’s, in particular greenies, which have long been a part of baseball’s culture, are gone now and it has become a young man’s game. Yankees were relying heavily on a lot of 30-somethings in their everyday lineup this year. Some of these guys are well into the back nine of their careers.”

    Fredo, those were gone last year too and the Yankees still had a really great second half based on a huge year from Posada. I’m not sure that blaming the new drug policy is completely fair.

  125. CanIGetAMooseCall September 1st, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    “CC, Wang, Joba, Moose, Pettitte, with Hughes waiting in the wings if one fails is how I’d go.”

    No way the Yanks should be comfortable going into 2009 with a rotation like that. Yanks need to add TWO major league starters.

  126. Fredo Corleone September 1st, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Looks like Sanchez is starting for Trenton today. Wonder if it’s another of those 1 inning starts like he did in Tampa?

  127. Fredo Corleone September 1st, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    “I’m not sure that blaming the new drug policy is completely fair.”

    Agreed, but I do think it plays a part though.

  128. YankeeJosh September 1st, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    CanIGetAMooseCall
    September 1st, 2008 at 12:42 pm
    Why is Pettitte a tough call? He’s wildly overpaid and he’s been mediocre this year (and very ineffective in big spots). Bring him back? Of course not!

    The pont isn’t about what Pettitte has done this year, it’s what you expect from him next year. Is he through or should you expect a rebound.

    Mike Mussina had a horrid year last year and looked like he couldn’t pitch in the big leagues. He got pulled out of the rotation for Ian Kennedy. Fans, this blog, and even the Yankees didn’t expect Mussina to contribute much this season. Now he’s close to a 20 game winner and the best pitcher on our staff.

    Pettitte hasn’t been nearly as bad this year as Mussina was last year, is still younger than the Moose and had a great year in 2007. If the Yankees think he can regain that form and this is just an “off year” than yes, you consider bringing him back.

  129. Mark (Brett is back) September 1st, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Honestly I like Andy, but can you really bring him back? I would say no. Especially not at 16 million. The guy has Molina as his personal catcher. That seems to be working out real well. I am sure Andy wants to come back to open up the new stadium, but I would rather see the Moose back.

    CC
    Wang
    Joba
    Moose
    Hughes

  130. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    well Mark, Moose has Molina as a personal catcher too

  131. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    fredo where did you see me propose a cano for valquez deal?

  132. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    iris, wanting to trade players just because you don’t like them or want them on your team isn’t the way to look at it, and that’s what almost all of these “dump Cano because he’s lazy” trades are. They trash Hughes, Kennedy, Abreu, Cano, Rodriguez and yammer about how bad they are, but, want the best of what another team has. Trade talks after a season like this or in off-seasons are fun and reduces boredom, but, for God’s sake, at least make them rooted in reality.

    Cano, Pettitte, Hughes and Rodriguez are not the causes for this season. Last year it was Mussina. How has that worked out? I have no idea what is, but, I do know what isn’t. It was a teamwide collapse, from top to bottom. I don’t see anybody wanting to trade Jeter, and, he hasn’t exactly been stellar this year. I have enjoyed watching Jeter for 13 years, but, he doesn’t get a free pass on this season. he’s as much a reason for this season as anyone else. What he did in 2000 doesn’t mean squat.

    Changes will have to be made, but, perhaps not with just players, and, certainly not with key players. Throwing money after players like Teixiera isn’t the answer, either. Replacing pitchers like Rasner and Ponson is a must, and those two would be Wang and Chamberlain. Most answers are with the team, now, just a switch in positions would strengthen the team. Giambi is gone, and first base has the answer on this team. The outfield also has it’s answer. Catching is another story. An unknown answer. a pitcher like Sabathia would probably be the biggest need for this team.

  133. back bench September 1st, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    “Agreed, but I do think it plays a part though.”

    Probably so, but the manager and the coaches also play a key role. We need changes here, unless the FO believes that so many of the ‘over the hill gang’ will be gone that Girardi will effectively have a reprise of the young Marlins team he managed a while back.

    Is that the plan? Girardi is really here to manage the new, young Yankee team for 2009 and beyond in the new Stadium? Was 2008 a big crap shoot that came unglued early?

  134. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    I considered votto from the reds as our 1B in exchange for pitching.

  135. Lancer September 1st, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    Pete,

    Care to elaborate on what exactly Cashman said about it being the “intent” of the organization to have Joba starting next year? And what do they have to “further discuss” about it? Are we being treated to yet another episode of “what should Joba be”?

  136. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    No Michael Kay? It’s already a good day!

  137. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    “Trade talks after a season like this or in off-seasons are fun and reduces boredom, but, for God’s sake, at least make them rooted in reality.”

    Ah, the voice of reason. I laugh when I read some of these proposed trades. We’re asking for some of the best players these teams have for people we think suck. Why would people think that these other teams are going to trade their best players to us for our problem players? It’s so comical.

    The Cano proposals are the best. We all say that he’s a headcase; some say he’s lazy, but yet we think that other teams want to take on that burden. Hysterical!

  138. Brian September 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Yankees arent going to trade Hughes…

    AJax is waiting in the wings the Yankees arent going to go out and trade for a high profile CF, at most just get a decent guy to hold the spot down.

    Its funny how everyone is so anxious to trade a 22 year old that less than a year ago was viewed as the next superstar pitcher.

  139. Johnny D September 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    The Yankees will win all but three of the games they play in September. Mark these words.

  140. bigjf September 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    I wonder what Joba’s innings limit will be next year, since he didn’t hit his target this year. In any case, he still has the stuff to be a starter, that is clear.

  141. Brian September 1st, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    the fact Hughes is being sent to the AFL to build his innings suggests he’s very much a part of the plan next season.

  142. raymagnetic September 1st, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    “Reds already have a 2B who’s better than Cano. Reds wouldn’t consider this at all.”

    What’s his name? Brandon Phillips with the 88 OPS+ lifetime? I’m not saying they’ll consider it but Phillips isn’t better than Cano at all.

  143. Bronx Jeers September 1st, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Man I can’t believe Hughes is a total DNF for 2008. It really seems he’s taken himself back to 2006 if that is even possible. Thankfully he’s only 22. Still he’s certainly no lock for the 2009 rotation.
    I wish they would give Joba some more abbreviated starts rather than putting him back in the bullpen. They really messed up regarding his progress this season. He’s got to be a starter from day one next year and they just need to figure out how to make up for his inning limit. Too many mistakes this year.. somebody should be held accountable.

    Magic number is down to 20 and falling fast.

    Arod with bases loaded. Ugh. Come on dude

  144. ‪ September 1st, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    A-Rod’s should look on the bright side. If he GIDP, the crowd will cheer him now!

  145. S.A.-Can the Yanks win a game? Please? This offense is still offensive. September 1st, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    bases loaded no outs.

  146. ‪ September 1st, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    OK, I’ll happily eat some crow. Good for Alex.

  147. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    And Alex delivers!!

  148. S.A.-Can the Yanks win a game? Please? This offense is still offensive. September 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Nice Alex!

  149. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    You know, I would have killed for Alex to do that on Saturday, my last visit to Yankee Stadium, barring unforseen tickets.

  150. joe September 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    verlander is screwed.

  151. Bronx Jeers September 1st, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    He hit the ball according to the pitch. Smart at bat and very untypical of ARods season.

  152. RalphieD September 1st, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    happy to see people are still watching the games…go yanks!!!

  153. TKinDC September 1st, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    wtg Alex – Maybe the road is a better place for the team to be right now.

  154. David September 1st, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    THANK GOD AROD

  155. S.A.-Can the Yanks win a game? Please? This offense is still offensive. September 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Whoa! Another run

  156. Bronx Jeers September 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Cabrera = Abreu

  157. ‪ September 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Let’s hope Ponson keeps the ball down.

  158. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    I was one of those who predicted that DET would run away with the Central. Guess not.

  159. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Ever wonder what they Yankees could have done this season if they could play the same way each day, like they do when they win. Instead of win, play well, take 3 days off.

  160. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Darn it, X-Man! You’re still wicked hot!!

  161. Boooooo September 1st, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    GoDzilla still so clutch

  162. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Verlander has got to be approaching 30 pitches.

  163. mel September 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Wow. A crooked number. Way to go guys.

    C’mon, Sir Sid. Don’t squander the lead.

  164. joe September 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Verlander at 31 pitches

  165. S.A.-Can the Yanks win a game? Please? This offense is still offensive. September 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Alright Sir Sidney. Don’t cough up the lead

    Verlander @ 31 pitches

  166. Fredo Corleone September 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Next time someone wants to complain about Cashman kid gloving Hughes and Joba, one should consider the case of Justin Verlander who after consecutive 200+ IP seasons at age 23 and 24 (including an almost 90 IP increase between ’05 and ’06) is borderline useless this year.

  167. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Present and accounted for. I have been from the beginning of the game but am giving myself permission to do things around my house that need to be done, with the game in the background. This is a signal to me that despite 4 runs in the first I have basically conceded the season. I would say that the wind was all about but taken out of my sails in the 7th inning Saturday, and what was left dissipated in yesterday’s game. So I watch today’s game with total dispassion. Weird feeling.

    I can always be had again I guess, but maybe it’s easier this way. I admit I don’t like the feeling. Maybe I just need to give myself a day away from the emotional rollercoaster and will be energized by tomorrow. I actually hope so.

    Anyway I’ll be in and out to kibbitz.

    GO YANKS

  168. Fredo Corleone September 1st, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    “I would say that the wind was all about but taken out of my sails in the 7th inning Saturday”

    I thought it was gone when Andy lost to Wakefield and sealed with a kiss when they couldn’t beat Paul Byrd the next day.

  169. Yankees Ben September 1st, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Ponson vs. Verlander
    Mussina vs. Garza
    Pavano vs. Jackson
    Rasner vs. Kazmir

    ouch. 3 out of the next 4 are such mismatches. Verlander is the hard thrower that has given us fits all year. Edwin Jackson has dominated us. Rasner vs. Kazmir? LOL

    How does that look now?

  170. MoBoy(aka McLovin) September 1st, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Hopefully none of our young pitchimg have a year like Verlander this year.This is why young pitching needs to go threw there rough patches and not forced to be your Ace.

    The Yankees and Tigers learned there lesson this year.

  171. Yankees Ben September 1st, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Forntoso
    September 1st, 2008 at 12:20 pm
    McCutchen-Tabata-McClouth is going to be a sick outfield.

    I hope you’re not talking about Dan McCutchen…

  172. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Fredo maybe it was. But I always tend to give the benefit of the doubt, ha ha.

  173. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    I’m petitioning Queen Beatrix to revoke Syney’s knighthood.

    He’s not worthy.

  174. S.A.-Can the Yanks win a game? Please? This offense is still offensive. September 1st, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    :evil:

  175. Fredo Corleone September 1st, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    This has the smell of a 13-10 game.

  176. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    Nice play by Robby.

  177. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Nice inning for Sid the magician.

  178. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    First off, I have my opinion and you have urs. Never did I say I did not like the players I’ve mentioned. Other teams are in need of pitching meanwhile are stacked with great potential hitters. I’m not saying texeira is the answer but he can solve some probleims without giving up a whole lot. Now don’t even compare him to giambi. The great defensive switch hitter hits to all fields and is NOt a roid user. I’d give him a 7 yr contract tops if not look somewhere else. Ian kennedy has been a bust but he may fit into the rangers rotation and perhaps get a guy like Chris Davis in return while yanks send kennedy plus prospects over.

  179. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    what position do you play, Interested “Sofa Scout”?

  180. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    There’s a reason Sofa Scout has to sit on the sofa instead of the recliner.

  181. mel September 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Nice ovation for Pudge. Too bad it was short-lived. I was hoping he would get revenge against the team that sent him to baseball purgatory-a non-contending team.

  182. Yankees Ben September 1st, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    hey are these the same yankee hitters we watched this weekend?????

  183. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Iris, Texas just traded their 1st baseman (Teiziera) last year and brought up his replacement (Davis) this year. He’s young, good, and mostly, he’s cheap. Why would they trade him for Kennedy and have no replacement?

  184. Mark (Brett is back) September 1st, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Humberto pitched his 1 inning in Trenton

    1ip 2 hits 1 er 0 walks 2k’s

    Christian Garcia on now, and Phil Hughes pitches for Scranton at 2pm.

  185. joe September 1st, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    the yankee hitters come alive facing crap pitching

  186. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    ***Teixiera***

  187. TKinDC September 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    I hope that Pete has mocked Jeter for the loss of his beloved Maize and Blue to the dreaded Utah footballs squad. :)

  188. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    “hey are these the same yankee hitters we watched this weekend?????”

    It doesn’t seem like it, does it? Not to take anything away from our boys, but Verlander sucks this year. We better be hitting him hard!

  189. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    “the yankee hitters come alive facing crap pitching”

    I hate to admit it, but I think Joe is right.

  190. Yankees Ben September 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    “the yankee hitters come alive facing crap pitching”

    I hate to admit it, but I think Joe is right

    Ya think?

  191. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Interested Reader
    September 1st, 2008 at 1:26 pm
    Sofa Scouts…
    God, the level of idiocy on this board is ridiculous. Some of you are just full of asinine ideas. You read about a guy who you never heard of before and all of a sudden they should be starting for the Yankees.
    There’s a reason you all sit at home and comment on Pete Abe’s blog instead of working in baseball.

    Your post is actually asinine. Is there now a new law that says it is not acceptable to sit and talk with a blog full of people about baseball, the Yankees, and other ideas, regardless of validity.

    So glad you see things so clear from your pedestal. If you don’t like the bickering, suggestions, ‘asinine” comments, go back to the hole from which you arose.

  192. TKinDC September 1st, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    This would be a great opportunity for a meaningless tack-on run.

    We need to Sir Sidney-proof this game.

  193. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    GreenBeret: forgot to mention. I’m not blaming the season on one particular player. No kennedy & hughes are not the reason why our record is the way it is BUT none have recorded a win for us this year. Perhaps if cano were to hit to his potential it wouldn’t make him look so bad. I would like to keep robby because he is young and makes plays on the field like no other. He probably will be a batting champ in the near future. I just think he presses too much. Arod I’m so glad we have locked up for the next 10 years. Not many teams can afford tis 5 tool player. Even the greatest are prone to have bad years. Just saying. If cash didnt move hughes for santana then I think he’s staying but can he live up to his expectations? Geret, I wasnt coming up with these ideas out of the blues. It has been talked about..

  194. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    DET looks like us on one of our bad days.

  195. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    TK, congrats on the big Vandy win and… I guess the Terps squeaked by that tough Delaware squad. What a Delmarvalous matchup.

  196. mel September 1st, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    I sit upright in a chair, does that make me more highly evolved?

  197. TKinDC September 1st, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    “TK, congrats on the big Vandy win and… I guess the Terps squeaked by that tough Delaware squad. What a Delmarvalous matchup.”

    Did you watch ’300′ and root for Xerxes before your beloved Bears squashed the Spartans?

  198. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Wow, I thought this Verlander guy was supposed to be good…

  199. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    And the X-Man uses his extreme hotness to drive in a run. Woohoo!

  200. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    sofa scout? Are you kidding me? I started posting here not too long ago and have been a fan for a long time. It’s one thing to give your opinion it’s another to bash. Gosh! It’s whatever. You want to bash the players instead or talk about the lineup? Be my guest.

  201. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    “Wow, I thought this Verlander guy was supposed to be good…”

    He used to be. Might be a case of being overworked. He’s another one who has a no hitter, but has been stinking up the joint ever since. His didn’t come as soon as Bucholz did, but it came nonetheless.

  202. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Damn, it sucks that they took out Verlander, he was a good hittin’

  203. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Verlander threw 64 pitches in 2 innings. Not very economical. LOL!

  204. Terry #1 September 1st, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Need – More – Runs.

    It’s only the second inning and the Tigers are certainly capable of closing the gap.

  205. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    TK, I was lucky to get to Berkeley in time for the kickoff, but I didn’t need to watch anything for extra motivation. I was impressed with the Mich. St. crowd that showed up (although I guess the alternative was a weekend in East Lansing…)

    It was a sloppy game and too close for comfort. We’re really going to have to pick it up if we want to have a chance in College Station.

  206. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    I know texas just traded their first basemen. They can afford to move salty to first. He has played there a couple of times before. They have plenty of hitters. They aren’t worried about that. They need pitching more than anything!

  207. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    And we still need more runs. This is not Ponson-proof by a longshot.

  208. Terry #1 September 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Alright!

    Matsui adds another straw to the camel’s back.

  209. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    “And we still need more runs. This is not Ponson-proof by a longshot.”

    I agree. I think we need at least 15 runs for me to feel comfortable.

  210. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    interested reader: have you seen cano at his best? I guess not. You must really dislike him. That was one play. Ugh.

  211. Fredo Corleone September 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    “Fredo maybe it was. But I always tend to give the benefit of the doubt, ha ha”

    I hear you. Losing to the team you’re chasing is a killer though because it’s a two game swing.

  212. TKinDC September 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Nick -

    I watched the Terps game – you guys are going to be favored by 10 points or more when you come to stately Byrd Stadium.

    The Terps have a couple good RBs but the quarterback play is horrible.

  213. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Hey why does this all look so familiar????

    Now I know! I’ve seen lots of these games, only with the Yanks as the team in the field.

    Therefore I feel for the Tigers. It really stinks to be watching a nonstop nightmare.

  214. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    and cano smokes two shots in two at bats and has nothing to show for it.

  215. Terry #1 September 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Not Cano’s day.

    Two rockets, two outs.

    Good start by the Yankees.

  216. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    “Wow, Justin Verlander stinks. ”

    Pete, are you implying that the Yankees can only have an offensive explosion against crappy pitchers? ‘Cause that’s what I was thinking too. LOL!

  217. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    “and cano smokes two shots in two at bats and has nothing to show for it.”

    Welcome to his season.

  218. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    This is why we need 15 runs.

  219. Iris September 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Enough now. It’s game time. Yanks were prone to have a blowout game. Go bombers!

  220. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Sheff owns Ponson. I expect this kind of thing anytime Sheff is at bat, or at least some kind of hit. No biggie there.

  221. TKinDC September 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    “Jeremy Bleich will start one of Staten Island’s playoff games.”

    SJ was suggesting that Bleich needs Tommy John surgery – does anyone know if this is true or is it just a rumor?

  222. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Hope I didn’t speak too soon. Don’t believe that I did.

  223. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    “The Terps have a couple good RBs but the quarterback play is horrible.”

    Well yeah, what I meant was that we’re going to have to pick it up if we want to have a chance *to cover the spread* in College Station.

    (insert winky emoticon)

    Please don’t pull a Sydney, Sydney.

  224. Bronx Jeers September 1st, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    Ponson is trying his hardest to keep this game competitive.

    Thanks Sid!

  225. MLL September 1st, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Ponson stinks. He is going to blow an 8-1 lead. If they can get 15 outs from him, it’ll be nice.

  226. Terry #1 September 1st, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    If there’s someone on this Tigers team that annoys me, it’s Sheffield.

    8-2

    I would NOT be sorry to see him get banished somewhere else like the Giants;

    NOT in San Francisco.

    In JAPAN.

  227. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Cano even dives slowly.

    Oops, I mean ‘smoothly’.

  228. TKinDC September 1st, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    pssst – College Station = Texas A&M

    College Park = Fear the Turtle University.

  229. Denny September 1st, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    What team would want to give up anything of consequence for a scrub like Kennedy??

  230. BBFan September 1st, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Good to see Cano diving even if he did not get to that ball.
    Also, earlier Cano ranged very far in front of Jeter. Though it was not a good play, Jeter had a better chance, it is good to see Cano is woking hard in the field.

  231. Terry #1 September 1st, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Entirely expected, but Ponson has to get outs somehow. With the previous short outings and the upcoming schedule w/no break, the bullpen is going to have to be conserved.

    Ponson’s outing is crucial. Yankees need at least 6.

  232. Rob September 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    wow, Sidney Ponson stinks

  233. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    So it looks like we’ll be needing those 8 runs.

  234. Bronx Jeers September 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Robbie Alomar !!

  235. romine September 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    did cano just dive for a ball???

  236. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    And Robbie dives for a ball!

  237. Mark (Brett is back) September 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    So Aceves Coke anyone on the blog start warming up.

  238. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) September 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    They better get someone up in the bullpen right now.

  239. MLL September 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Now you Cano lovers are giving him credit for actually diving for a ball???

    Wow.

  240. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    8-2 and it doesn’t even look like the Yanks can hold THAT lead… ugh

  241. Devil's Advocate September 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    CLEAN HOUSE!!!!

    It is so rare to have a fresh start and I would love to see the Yankees just have a complete transfusion at every position. Really, at this point I have NO emotional attachment. Heck, if a trade for Jeter made sense, I’d send him packing. Admittedly, I am tired of all the commercials, etc. And captain seems a ceremonial rank anyway. He does not seem to be much of a leader. Too reticent.

    Cashman needs to go. Very sorry, but he is AWFUL as a GM. Hughes and Kennedy, we shall see, but it does not bode well at all. Farm system was over-hyped but the Yanks drank their own Kool-Aid.

    Send some of the vets like Moose packing with the understanding that it may be their last year, better go somewhere that has more of a chance to win a ring.

    You think this year was bad, hold on to your hats. Nect year will be total rebuilding if we are lucky. The only way to make it bearable is to trim the fat of these older players whose windows have closed.

    SCREAM!!!! LET IT OUT!!!! RRRRRAAAAAAWWWDHDHHFHFGH!!!!!!!

  242. blackdragon905 September 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    *shakes head*…8 runs won’t be enough lol

  243. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Oh yeah, College Park.

    College Park… Ocean City… nice names, Maryland.

  244. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    panayioti,
    The talking and banter doesn’t bother me. It’s the morons who propose ridiculous ways to fix this team.

    So what. If you know it is ridiculous, ignore it. Or appease them by stating facts that refute their idiotic statement.

    Calling them out only categorizes you with several others on here who feed off of bashing people. They are frankly annoying and need to realize it for the sake of everyone here, in their lives.

    that is all I am saying.

  245. Bronx Jeers September 1st, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    MLL September 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    “Now you Cano lovers are giving him credit for actually diving for a ball???

    Wow.”

    Sarcasm : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain

  246. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    That Ponson is a magician.

  247. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    We’re on pace to win this game 36-9, so whatever!

  248. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Nick SF – assume that the SF is for San Fran and not Santa Fe :)

    If so, do you catch any Cal Bears games?

  249. TKinDC September 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Phew!

    Just get through the fifth Sidney – pretty please? Triple Sec on top?

  250. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    “Ponson stinks. He is going to blow an 8-1 lead. If they can get 15 outs from him, it’ll be nice.”

    Good call MLL!!!

    Laura, read most the posts before yours since Sidney started the inning (except mind of course which was on the money) if you want a good laugh!

    :lol:

  251. TKinDC September 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    (I meant fifth inning, not fifth of JD)

  252. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    * mine

  253. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    “Cashman needs to go. Very sorry, but he is AWFUL as a GM.”

    I disagree. I think that Cashman has made some good moves and some bad ones, just like any other GM in baseball.

    People are so quick to say “get rid of this player, get rid of the GM” without realizing that you have to replace these people with someone. You want Cano gone? Fine. Get me another 2B with the same power and talent and you’ve got a deal. You want Cashman gone? Ok, find someone who will do as good or better a job as he did. Easier said than done.

  254. Bronx Jeers September 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    “That Ponson is a magician.”

    Yeah but hopefully he won’t be performing his most famous illusion. The Disappearing Blowout

  255. Joe from Long Island September 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Question No. 1 – Can anyone tell me what’s wrong with Justin Verlander this year? All Singleton and Flaherty could offer was that he’s missing his control.

    Question No. 2 – Rebecca, how’s Fordham and grad school so far? How do you like the Bronx? My wife and I were driving to Arthur Ave. after the game Saturday, and drove past Fordham, wondered how you were doing.

  256. Fran September 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Just got back in. Listened to the beginning of the game on the radio. I know that the Yanks are leading 8-2, but listening to John and Suzyn I am not quite sure what actually happened!

  257. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Seriously the Tigers remind of the Yankees, both at base and in the field. How many people thought they’d get bubkus (sp?) with the bases loaded?

  258. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    My only problem with this offensive outburst is that we usually come out flat the next game.

  259. BBFan September 1st, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    With the good lead, if it holds up ( :) ), we will see Coke today. Hopefully, he will do better than the other LH relievers we tried before. Also, I am not convinced that Marte deserves 6 mil next season.

  260. Terry #1 September 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    These fielders are truly sub-par.

    They’ve played four potential outs into base-hits and that doesn’t account for their two errors.

  261. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Hey Fran, we’ve been punishing the Tigers pitchers. Verlander already out of the game. And the Tigers look like the Yanks at their worst both at the plate and in the field. It almost makes you cringe for them because it’s like watching Yankee games, when the Yankees are on the losing end of the score.

  262. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    panayioti: yes, that’s what TK and I are bantering about. I’m a Cal Bears season ticket holder. I was just there on Saturday!

  263. TKinDC September 1st, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    “but listening to John and Suzyn I am not quite sure what actually happened!”

    LOL :)

  264. RSM September 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    This game is comical. It’s like the Yankees are playing themselves.

    Yanks, Detroit, and Seattle suprised a lot of people this season, and not in a good way.

  265. Terry #1 September 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Jeter was struck out there…

    Fortunate call.

  266. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    “My only problem with this offensive outburst is that we usually come out flat the next game.”

    Laura I’ve already been thinking about that. But this is now September and maybe an offensive outburst will get their energy up. I know I’m reaching for straws here but who would I be if I didn’t do that to the bitter end…

    Anyway, the tough part is that the Rays are so hard for us to score on anyway that I don’t know if today’s runs will much matter.

  267. Fran September 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Hi Trisha – the Tigers are also having a bad season and after they made the trade for Willis and Cabrera all of the so-called experts had the Tigers in the playoffs and beyond.

  268. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    “But this is now September and maybe an offensive outburst will get their energy up.”

    I hope so. Maybe they will enjoy the feeling of putting up more than 2 runs in a game and want to do it again.

  269. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    This is kind of fun.

  270. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Man, Abreu is out of his mind! Someone wants a contract next year.

  271. Terry #1 September 1st, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Damn.

    Our first four hitters haven’t been retired yet…

    The Tigers are a real dissaponitment this year.

  272. joe m September 1st, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    I’m listening to the radio & I know what has happened what seams to be the problem. There is always home shopping for you

  273. Fran September 1st, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Rebecca – it is kind of fun and long overdue!

  274. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    “This game is comical. It’s like the Yankees are playing themselves.”

    :lol:

    I am truly not watching every pitch since I cannot be rivetted on the game (leaving to keep on keeping on right now) so I will be interested for the sake of fairness to know if you consider the umpiring fair today. In other words, are Detroit’s pitcher’s getting squeezed? We’ve seen it happen to the Yankees as a one-way street sometimes so I am just curious to know about that. Part of the reason is that the Yankees aren’t known for punishing other teams so it makes me wonder about the strike zone.

  275. ARX September 1st, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    If Arod hits a GS here im not even sure how to react…

  276. TKinDC September 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Can we invoke the ‘skunk’ rule and pass out the orange wedges?

  277. Mark (Brett is back) September 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Christian Garcia so far in Trenton:

    4ip 2 hits 0 er 3 walks 3k’s 7/2 go/fo.

    Lets all hope this guy can stay healthy.

  278. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    I said this yesterday and got flamed for it, but if I were the Yankees, I’d keep Abreu and Nady. I’d put Damon in CF (yes, he throws like a girl, but he’s a great leadoff hitter), keep Nady in LF, Abreu in RF and make Matsui a permanent DH. Works for me.

  279. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Fran: It certainly is!

    If only they’d done this on Saturday (I’m still really really bitter about that)

  280. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Hey, I like this station to station approach. Just keep the hits and the runs coming.

  281. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    “I hope so. Maybe they will enjoy the feeling of putting up more than 2 runs in a game and want to do it again.”

    :)

    And oh yeah, whoever mentioned Abreu coming back. Bobby’s mine all mine!

    :D

  282. Terry #1 September 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Well, this is an ugly game and it’s good to be on the outside looking in (for once). ;)

  283. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Laura: In a perfect world I’d agree with you, but I’m worried about Damon and Abreu in the outfield over an entire season given their defense.

    I’m all for signing Abreu for another year if we have someone that can play defense in the field in the late innings.

  284. EY September 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Can we play Detroit for the rest of the year?

  285. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    “If only they’d done this on Saturday (I’m still really really bitter about that)”

    Really? We couldn’t tell. :P

  286. james September 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    come on X MAN!!

  287. james September 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    another run 11-2 bombers

  288. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    We still need one more run to stay on pace. Stupid Giambi.

  289. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    “If only they’d done this on Saturday (I’m still really really bitter about that)”

    Yeah I obviously haven’t gotten over that myself, which is why I am doing “house things” and have the game in the background. That was beyond tough to take.

    Laura I’m with you all the way on Abreu and Nady.

    Kay, now I’m really leaving to continue playing catch-up in my house.

  290. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    “I’m all for signing Abreu for another year if we have someone that can play defense in the field in the late innings.”

    I know what you mean. Perhaps they do a platoon situation in CF with Damon/Gardner and in LF with Nady/Matsui (not often with his bad knees).

  291. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Trisha, I was there, with my friend who is a Boston fan and wanted to see the Stadium while he still could…

    Laura, that might work.

    Nick, just one run off pace. Johnny Damon, no matter what, will be up four times in four innings.

  292. Terry #1 September 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    TKinDC
    September 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
    Can we invoke the ’skunk’ rule and pass out the orange wedges?

    I’ve already broken out those sugary/gummi orange wedges…

    But a little fruit wouldn’t hurt either.

  293. Bronx Jeers September 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Somehow I’m finding relief in the fact that Alex has tied Giambi for the team lead in RBI’s. I am not sure why.

  294. BBFan September 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Alex is on target for the following achievements:

    13 consecutives years of 100 or more runs in a season
    11 consecutives years of 100 or more RBIs in a season
    11 consecutives years of 30 or more HRs in a season

    Even if you are an ARod hater, one has to admire his consistency.

    Does any one know the records for each of these three statistics?

  295. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Moose is probably on the bench wondering why they couldn’t get all these runs when he was pitching.

  296. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    “Even if you are an ARod hater, one has to admire his consistency.”

    Absolutely. People spend so much time complaining about his RISP numbers that they lose sight of just how good a player he really is.

  297. Fran September 1st, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Laura – too bad this isn’t like Cingular with roll-over. Use what we need today and carry over the rest!

  298. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Ahh. I remember going to those games when i lived in the Bay Area. Great games to attend.

    Just as good as Arizona State games. Went all the time when I lived there. Of course they were not very good at that time because John Cooper had just left for Ohio State but, love that Pac-10 football.

  299. BBFan September 1st, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Obviously, somebody got to Cano and gave him a riot act :)

    See how he is playing on the feild today.
    That is all we ask for, to work his bu*tt off and make plays.

  300. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    “Laura – too bad this isn’t like Cingular with roll-over. Use what we need today and carry over the rest!”

    Tell me about it. We’re probably looking at 2 runs for tomorrow. I hope not, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened.

  301. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Why couldn’t Robbie do that in the seventh inning on Saturday?

    Okay, okay, I’ll move on…

  302. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    That play with Cano going up the middle was a good play, because, if you were watching. it was a slow hopper and Jeter was laying back and behind second base. It’s no guarantee that he could hve thrown Cabrera out. Jeter should have been charging the play.

    And, then saves a run, and now, that play on Sheffield.
    Yes, he pulled a rock on saturday and it cost the game. It’s not like he’s the only one to do it this year. Jeter almost cost them the Baltimore game on an easier double play chance than that one was.

  303. Bronx Jeers September 1st, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    “Even if you are an ARod hater, one has to admire his consistency”

    That’s why he makes the big bucks. Many players have big seasons but flame out.

    Many thought Josh H would have 175 RBI’s 60 HR’s back in May.

    Still Alex is having an off year based on his own standards.

  304. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    “Obviously, somebody got to Cano and gave him a riot act”

    Something clearly happened because these last two games, he’s been playing the field very differently. Maybe he’s been reading this blog. LOL!

  305. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    A four pitch inning?

    Guess the Yankees decided to take the rest of labor day off.

  306. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    “Still Alex is having an off year based on his own standards.”

    If he hadn’t missed 20+ games with that injury, he’d be closer to his regular numbers.

  307. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    “too bad this isn’t like Cingular with roll-over”

    Fran, Pete Abe has asked that posters refrain from plugging corporate entities that don’t sponsor the blog.

    Perhaps next time you can say something like “too bad this isn’t like Lace and Stiletto with unlimited lap dances.”

    Thank you in advance for your compliance.

  308. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    “Why couldn’t Robbie do that in the seventh inning on Saturday? Okay, okay, I’ll move on…”

    I think that we might need to get you an intervention. :)

  309. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Laura: I am scarred for life!

    (When does football season start again?)

  310. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    get Coke warming up please

  311. Fran September 1st, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Nick – Thanks. LOL

  312. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Okay, we need to get someone up in the bullpen.

  313. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Good thing we have those 11 runs.

  314. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    I don’t understand this: Why do we have Edwar warming up? He is usually a 7th inning guy, but he’s gonna be used in the 4th/5th inning…

  315. Jamal G. September 1st, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    I like how Pete is quick to post a little update whenever A-Rod struggles but when he has four RBI in the first three innings…not one word. I also like the fact that he gets on Robinson Cano for his lackadasical effort, but when Cano makes those Web Gems…not one word.

    All about consistentcy.

  316. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Well, that’s going to hurt. Ponson without that ball hitting him on the thumb, would have gotten at least 5 innings. He’ll never finish this inning.

  317. ‪ September 1st, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Ponson: 11 runs for support? Pffft… that’s nothing.

  318. North September 1st, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Order a cab Pete… ´The wont reach 54 combined outs until midnight.. Thats too late for a beatwriter to travel to Tampa

  319. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Look I’m all for Sidney getting the win but if his hand is hurting, I’m all for getting him out of the game now. It is obvious that all of a sudden he can’t get strikes. Not his fault but more important that we win the game.

  320. Hybrid Moments September 1st, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Ponson sucks and is going to put this game in reach if they leave him in. Why is this fat piece of crap starting games for us? Thanks Cashman.

  321. North September 1st, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Order a cab Pete… ´They wont reach 54 combined outs until midnight.. Thats too late for a beatwriter to travel to Tampa. Just leave now:d

  322. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    The problem with making evaluations about Cano and other players on the team now is, the games are meaningless.

    How they played when they actually were in the race is what matters. Not whatever stat hanging they do in the final 25+ games of the season.

    If a guy gets hot now, especially a player who hasn’t hit for much of the year, most teams discount that when making their overall evaluation of a player.

    WHEN you hit is just as important as IF you hit.

    For somebody like Cano, the only people who will argue that he has had a good year are people who are huge fans of his and will selectively use his stats as the basis for that argument.

    BTW, if they don’t get Ponson out of this game pronto, he will blow this lead.

    Like Pettitte, another guy who is pitching himself off the team with every start these days.

  323. ‪ September 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Cano nonchalantly lets a ball sneak under his glove. Good going, Robbie! You smooth devil, you!

  324. Neil September 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    YOUR TEAM SCORES YOU 11 RUNS IN FOUR INNINGS AND YOU CAN’T GET A WIN. GET OUT OF BASEBALL SIDNEY PONSON.

  325. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    “Ponson sucks and is going to put this game in reach if they leave him in. Why is this fat piece of crap starting games for us? Thanks Cashman.”

    Now that is pathetic on your part. You are obviously missing eyes and ears or haven’t been watching this game and didn’t see how he had been pitching and how he got hit on the hand and how it affected his ability to get hitters out all of a sudden. Have some decency would ya?

  326. Bronx Jeers September 1st, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Suave strikes again!

  327. luis September 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    wow ponson u suck… what are they waiting to DFA him

  328. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    sunny615
    September 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    8-2 and it doesn’t even look like the Yanks can hold THAT lead… ugh

    guess it was right…

  329. NongEyeJon September 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    We thought losing a 7-2 lead was bad….wait until this….

  330. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Yes, SJ, and those that for whatever reason, don’t like Cano will use a game like Saturday or one slow/bad month as to why he needs to be traded for being lazy.

  331. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    So even if we hang on for the win, the bullpen gets taxed in game one of the ten game road trip. Thanks, Sydney.

  332. NongEyeJon September 1st, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    We…rule.

  333. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    oh how things change so quick

  334. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Only the Yankees can piss away a 11-2 lead.

  335. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    You have got to be kidding me.

  336. ‪ September 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    11-8. the yanks are waving all kinds of white flags right now.

  337. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Well, looks like Girardi put the starters back in and took out the AAA team that was doing so well.

  338. mel September 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    God, Edwar.

  339. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    From Game 1 to Game 137, Robbie Cano has been the most consistently disappointing player on this team. Given his talent level, he may be the most disappointing player in baseball this season.

    Another player who may be playing himself off the team with each passing day.

    No effort and no attempt to even attempt to show effort.

    That’s not being “smooth”. That’s being a dog.

    You don’t win with dogs on your team.

  340. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Chuck Merriweather says, “Ding dong, the bell was rung.”

  341. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Trenton just took a 2-1 lead with an Edwar Gonzalez double and Reggie Corona sac fly

  342. Boooooo September 1st, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    WOw Edwar is A BP

  343. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Uh, Edwar, your job is to get outs.

  344. luis September 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    wowow i hope they get the win… i mean 11 runs of support they CANT blow this game right?

  345. 86w183 September 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Ponson should be DFA immediately. If his hand hurts has to step away. If not, his putrid act has worn very thin. Ramirez better learn a third pitch and soon. Is Giese available? Britton? It’s time for a long man and they choose Edwar?

    Sometimes I think Girardi manages using a Ouija Board!

  346. blackdragon905 September 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    wow, edwar is just so hr prone, his fastball is just not that good, good change though

  347. ohhh mo its cano! September 1st, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    what a season lol

  348. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    I miss Dan Giese.

  349. j September 1st, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    only this team can give away a 11-2 lead.

  350. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    panayioti, I can tell you, having sat through a lot of lean years in Berkeley, the games are even more fun with Tedford as the coach and winning seasons. When that stadium has 70,000 people it can get pretty exciting — the Tennessee game at home last year was one of the best sporting events I’ve ever attended.

    I’m going to close my eyes and think about that game until the Yanks get out of this inning. Happy thoughts… happy thoughts…

  351. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    god help this crappy team

  352. A-Rod a malignant tumor September 1st, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    this is crazy

  353. Moe September 1st, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Isn’t ramirez 1 of our top setup guys?

  354. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    “Is Giese available? Britton? It’s time for a long man and they choose Edwar?”

    Giese is on the DL. Britton is not someone they think highly of so they hardly ever use him.

  355. Hybrid Moments September 1st, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    trisha,

    Ponson sucks. He’s sucked all year and gotten extremely lucky. He’s not good and doesn’t deserve to be pitching on this team.

  356. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    ok, Coke or Aceves please

  357. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    GB,.

    Bad game? He’s had an awful season.

    Really, aside from 2 or 3 weeks, how can anybody argue he has played well this year?

    For the last 7 weeks, he’s been the worst defensive second baseman in baseball.

    Throughout the season, he offense has been, well, offensive.

    Wasted AB’s, impatience, he’s been awful.

    Effort? Well, you can’t complain about his effort because he doesn’t produce effort.

    Sorry, he’s a dog and has been a dog all season.

    The sooner they get him off this team, the better off they will be.

    Its great to crave “young” players. However, if they either can’t play or are dogs, having young players on your team does nothing to advance winning.

  358. ohhh mo its cano! September 1st, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    the cash has got a front row seat for this one

  359. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Tie run at the plate?!?! I guess we don’t want to bring in Mo to get 17 outs…

  360. luis September 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    “Ponson’s last three games: 9.2 innings, 24 hits, 18 runs, 17 earned runs, six walks, four strikeouts. That’s a 15.83 ERA. What compelling reason is there to continue starting him every five days?”

    i ask myself the same question every day.. u cant expect to win with those kind of guys in the rotation.. the yankees must get sabathia and sheets next season

  361. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    These are the kind of pitching efforts that have a negative effect on the hitters too. They bust their butts and put up 11 runs and you can’t hold that? It takes them out of the game emotionally and they start having crappy at bats. I’ve seen it happen several times.

  362. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    SJ that doesn’t sound anything like you.

  363. Mark (Brett is back) September 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    UPDATE, 2:51 p.m.: Ponson’s last three games: 9.2 innings, 24 hits, 18 runs, 17 earned runs, six walks, four strikeouts. That’s a 15.83 ERA. What compelling reason is there to continue starting him every five days?

    There is no reason. Hopefully we see Al Aceves on Saturday in Seattle.

  364. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    “The sooner they get him off this team, the better off they will be.”

    Blah blah blah. What a dumb, dumb, dumb remark.

    We’re you on here screaming about him dogging it in the field when he was hitting .345 a few years ago? Of course not. If he was having a great offensive year, none of you would be complaining about his defense.

    He’s an outstanding player, he’s shown it in past seasons, he’ll show it again. They can’t trade him because there are VERY few players that are actually as good as him.

  365. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Well let me say this – the last thing we needed was to burn the pen with our unforgiving schedule for the next 10 days.

    Not Sidney’s fault he got hit.

    I think Edwar gets out of this.

  366. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    This is going to be one of those 4 hour games.

  367. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    inning isn’t even over… sigh

  368. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    i guess ponson really does suck.

  369. ohhh mo its cano! September 1st, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    lol

  370. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    So, in other words, Jeter only makes errors, but, cano only “dogs it”? Never thought about it like that. Was nady dogging it on the fly to left, yesterday, or was that just an error because he misplayed it?

  371. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    ramirez isn’t doing so hot either… how many homers has he given up lately?

  372. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    “He’s an outstanding player, he’s shown it in past seasons, he’ll show it again. They can’t trade him because there are VERY few players that are actually as good as him.”

    I agree. I’ve been saying that on this board for weeks now yet people are still calling for Cano to be traded. Unless you are going to replace him with someone who is as good and as talented as he is, there’s nothing left to discuss.

    The guy has been in the majors for a relatively short time and he’s having one bad year. What about last year? Or the year before that? You don’t throw away a guy for one bad year.

  373. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    if the yanks are going to survive this game, they’ll need about 12 more runs.

  374. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    in the next inning.

  375. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Rebecca,

    I’ve been pretty consistent about Cano. He’s a dog. He doesn’t play hard, hasn’t all year, and everybody in that locker room knows it.

    You would be hard pressed to find anybody who thinks they didn’t make a huge mistake giving him that contract. Not one of Cashman’s finer moments.

    In the history of the franchise, ONE player has gotten a multi-year contract with so little service time. Not Bernie Williams, Don Mattingly, Mariano Rivera or Derek Jeter. It was Cano.

    What little effort he brought to the table in the past went right out the window giving him that deal.

    You want to see dissension on a team? Have a miserable season, and make veteran players watch a young guy, armed with a new 30 million dollar contract, sleepwalk through games on a daily basis.

    He’s lucky Darryl Strawberry isn’t on this team or he would get his butt kicked. Not with words, with fists.

    He’s got to go after this season. No nursemaids, babysitters, or any of that other stuff. Get rid of him and move on.

    It would be addition by subtraction.

  376. Moe September 1st, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    The offense can go home already, they did thier job, bunch of bums the lasyt 5 outs they made on less than 10 pitches, they are getting paid for each at bat about what i make in a 1/2 year…..ouch

  377. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    wow – quick inning for the yanks… pretty pathetic agian… :roll”

  378. Dave D September 1st, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    We might lose a game in which we had a 9 run lead?

    We just find ways to uncover new lows every game.

  379. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    c’mon giambi, earn your next contract with the angels…

  380. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    “The guy has been in the majors for a relatively short time and he’s having one bad year. What about last year? Or the year before that? You don’t throw away a guy for one bad year.”

    Exactly, and people like SJ44 don’t realize how unbelievably naive and emotional they look when they call for him to be traded. Because he’s having a bellow average offensive year, whenever he commits an error, that MUST mean he’s “dogging” it. What stupidity.

  381. RIGHT after you see pigs fly... September 1st, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Clearly, Cashman is an idiot and Girardi is lying..AND both of them have given up on the playoffs for this year…. It is NOT too late to build up Joba to a start….Where he is now, he could throw a 6 inning start in 10 days and everyone knows it. If they put him back in the ‘pen next year, they are complete idiots. The kid was awesome as a starter and only because the slugs that call themselves Yankees batters gave him NO RUN SUPPORT to even talk about, did he not win basically every time they put him on the mound. and how about Ponson…he is such a great guy…I wonder what message it sends that a guy like Aceves AND Hughes as well, gets to NOT be given a chance to start in this last month,,,and we keep trotting out PONSON and RASNER, who clearly stink, have worn out their welcomes and will only continue to get OBLITERATED each time the Spankees are stupid enough to let them toe the rubber ? and this game ? ahead by an 11-2 margin and VERY LIKELY will lose the game…..and why ?…because these are the 2008 SPANKEES and we can lose ANY GAME that we are involved in….the team is clearly a bunch of losers, and IT SHOWS !

  382. Hybrid Moments September 1st, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    How the hell can you make an excuse for Ponson? “Oh he got hit on the hand!” Did he get hit on the hand when he sucked his last three starts? This guy is garbage. There’s a reason Texas got rid of him. He sucks!

    Conversely, getting rid of Cano right now would be a huge mistake. You have to wait at least one more season before you Soriano him.

  383. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    “We just find ways to uncover new lows every game.”

    We’re just special that way.

  384. Yankeefanfoev13 September 1st, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    SJ44,

    I don’t know if you read Joel Sherman’s article this morning but he had a couple of possible trades and FA pick ups.
    He had Robby Cano getting traded for a young ace-type pitcher such as Billingsly, Cain, or Grienke.
    And he had us picking up a 2B through FA such as Orlando Hudson, along with getting rid of Jason and Bobby (unless he takes a 1 yr deal)..he also mentioned possibly trading Hudges for a young 1B like Joey Votto.

    Do you see any of these deals realistically happening?

  385. Forntoso September 1st, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Real smart not to activate Giese, but bring up Moller instead.

  386. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    or whiff … jerk

  387. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Relatively short time in the majors? Next season will be Season FIVE in the majors for Cano.

    At that time, Jeter already had 4 rings. Arod was an all star. Mariano Rivera was already known as being the best closer in the game.

    Who cares what he did two years ago. Its irrelevent to what he is doing now.

    He’s no where close to the player he was two years ago.

    Performances don’t get frozen in time. Its a game of production.

    You really want to compare Robinson Cano to Derek Jeter GB?

    You want to go there?

    Jeter has an off year in what, his 13th season in the majors?

    Why don’t you compare their first 4 years and get back to me.

    He’s not an outstanding player. Outstanding players don’t play like this everyday, which he has, this year.

    .260 hitters, who dog it on defense and have .290 OBP, with no speed, are not 30 million dollar players.

    His numbers have gone down every year since ’06.

    If folks think that’s “outstanding”, we have different beliefs of what constitutes “outstanding”.

  388. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    wow does this team suck or what?? 11-2 lead just gone…

  389. ohhh mo its cano! September 1st, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    yes this could be a new low no doubt….better days are coming

  390. hank hal September 1st, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Let’s see the Cokehead!

  391. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    I think that Tony Womack is in disguise and posting on this board.

  392. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    “There’s a reason Texas got rid of him. He sucks! ”

    Actually, Texas got rid of him because he was a drunk. LOL! He was pitching fairly well in Texas at the time they cut him loose.

    We were on borrowed time with Ponson. I don’t know if getting hit on the hand negatively affected him or not, but I did not feel comfortable with him on the mound and us only having 11 runs. Seems I was right.

  393. S.A.-Can the Yanks win some games? Starting today? This offense is still September 1st, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    This game is simply comical
    :evil:

  394. ohhh mo its cano! September 1st, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    as who?

  395. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    DFox, you might want to cool it with the “unbelievably naive and emotional” and “what stupidity” talk.

    Aren’t you the guy who said that Joba was going to be bitter about being “lied to” by the Yankees because he thought he’d be back by the end of August and he wasn’t? September 2, oh the deception.

  396. luis September 1st, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    it is so frustraiting seeing this team.. i mean the yankees is the greatest franchise in sport history and they are the highest paid team in baseball and they sucked…. injuries are not an excuse thats why they have their farm system, thats why everytime they signed somebody they have to take a medical test….

    the yankees cant suck!!!! i dont know if the players are aware of the clubs history or all the gratest players who played for this organitation (mantle, dimaggio, ruth)… this is the last season of yankee stadium and they are not going to the playoffs, are u kiddin me???… they should have some respect for those who played in yankee stadium thats all im saying

  397. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    “Did he get hit on the hand when he sucked his last three starts? This guy is garbage. There’s a reason Texas got rid of him. He sucks!”

    :D Yeah okay Hybrid. Here his ER his last 6 games: 0, 3, 4, 2, 7, 4. And the 0 was to the Angels. Any team would take that as their 5th starter.

  398. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    “I don’t know if you read Joel Sherman’s article this morning but he had a couple of possible trades and FA pick ups.”

    Why do people think that these other teams are just going to trade their best players to us because we want them to? Should we call BOS and ask for Josh Beckett? Maybe TOR will send us Halladay. I know – let’s ask SF for Cain AND Lincecum.

    Why do I even bother?

  399. Moe September 1st, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    How bad do you have to pitch to get cut by the yankees ????
    they keep on sending out there guys with ERA’s over 5, this doesn’t sound like the yankees it sounds more like the royals and even they stopped doing it.

    Cashman is a goner after this season.

  400. YankeeJosh September 1st, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    You need to evaluate the total package with Cano. He’s immensely talented, which sets up very high expectations. For whatever reason, Cano botches far too many routine plays. But to me, his offensive approach is most troubling. He has far too many bad at bats and still doesn’t work the count, and take his share of walks. This is troubling because he doesn’t set himself up to succeed. And if he’s sluumping, he’s death on the line-up since he doesn’t walk or know how to bunt.

    Cano is a maddingly inconsistent player both offensively and defensively.

    I don’t think he has to be traded but if the right deal comes along and the Yankees can get enough talent back for him, I wouldn’t be sorry to see him go.

  401. rconn23 September 1st, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Good Lord, did I see someone actually defending Ponson on here? Geez, he’s a simply dreadful pitcher, and for the most part, always has been.

    The offense has been a huge letdown this year and has to be retooled. However, the pitching overall has been lousy as well. Aside from Rivera, Mussina and Joba, who has pitched well?
    Pettitte has been mediocre at best and should not be resigned. Paul Byrd could do the job Pettitte has, and probably better.
    The injury to Wang was a devestating blow, but you can’t plug holes with the Rasners and Ponsons of the world and expect to win a playoff spot. You just can’t.

  402. lil' m September 1st, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Whoever it was that predicted a slugfest was right. And now is not the time for Yankees to stop hitting.

    Cano has unfortunately been dreadful for most of the year. He could hit .500 now and it wouldn’t change that fact. For him to have gone from nearly winning a batting title to this year’s overall disappointing showing is not a good sign. And the perception that he needs Larry Bowa or some other minder to keep him focused is not encouraging. Cano should be making progress in his performance and maturity, not stagnating or, even worse, regressing. And Edwar needs to stop walking batters.

  403. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Well, the first three innings were fun.

  404. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    well, there goes the 8 run lead.

  405. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    jeezus – is it only the 5th inning??

    ehat a sad sad team this is…

  406. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    And you make yourself sound ridiculous when you say Texas got rid of him because he sucks. If you don’t post accurate information then there is no real good reason to think your posts are crdible. Everyone – but you I guess – knows that Texas got rid of him for reasons not having to do with his baseball ability. In fact, he was 4-1 with a 3.88 with the Rangers. Not exactly terrible.

  407. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    I’ve watched Cano all season. I’ve also listened to players, guys that have enormous respect in the game, talk about how little effort he puts into his game.

    You don’t think that stuff catches up to you after awhile?

    Baseball is a game of adjustments. The guys that are truly outstanding players are the guys who continue to work at it.

    He doesn’t. Its not just my opinion. Its the opinion of many people in the game. Some of them on his own team.

    This is the last off-season they can trade him and still get value. If they don’t do it this off-season, and he doesn’t grow up and put the time in needed to improve his game, they are stuck with him.

    That’s a big gamble. Almost as big a gamble as believing a soon to be 38 year old catcher, coming off major shoulder surgery, will be back to catch 120 games next year.

    In a perfect world, he wouldn’t be one of the question marks for the Yankees going into this off-season. Unfortunately, that’s not the case.

    They have a big decision to make with him this off-season. Hopefully, they make the right decision.

  408. luis September 1st, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    it is so frustraiting seeing this team.. i mean the yankees is the greatest franchise in sport history and they are the highest paid team in baseball and they sucked…. injuries are not an excuse thats why they have their farm system, thats why everytime they signed somebody they have to take a medical test….

    the yankees cant suck!!!! i dont know if the players are aware of the clubs history or all the gratest players who played for this organitation (mantle, dimaggio, ruth)… this is the last season of yankee stadium and they are not going to the playoffs, are u kiddin me???… they should have some respect for those who played in yankee stadium thats all im saying

  409. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    “Cashman is a goner after this season.”

    Really? That’s funny. I’m sure I heard Hank say that they wanted to talk about an extension with him.

  410. Hybrid Moments September 1st, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Cano in 2006: .342 .365 .525
    Cano in 2007: .306 .353 .488

    So basically SJ44 is complaining that Cano didn’t have an season that borders on MVP consideration. Its one thing for you to not like a player and its quite another for you to start going on tangents about how he needs to leave immediately. Hes one of the best young second baseman in the league and is having a bad season. These things will happen.

  411. YankeeJosh September 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    As bad a play as that was by Cano, the pitching didn’t pick him up. The bullpen has been overused and it’s showing. This would have been a perfect game for Aceves but he worked two innings yesterday. Might have been a good idea to see if you can get a few innings out of Coke. Looks like the Tigers pitching has settled down and the Yankees bats have gone back to sleep.

  412. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    I can’t believe we’re going to blow an 11-2 lead.

  413. Yankeefanfoev13 September 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Laura,

    Are you kidding me?
    I didn’t not even think of those ridiculous trade proposals?
    I said Cano for Billingsly, Cain, or Greinke?..not Halladay or Beckett?..next time try reading my post before you take it out of context.

    Don’t you think San Fransisco is in dire need of offense, along with Kansas City and/or LA?..thought so.

  414. ‪ September 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    11-9

    Pathetic.

  415. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    wow… just wow

  416. 86w183 September 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    The Yankees are going to have to be creative in remaking this roster. Including Cano and/or Hughes for top flight positional players in their early years must be at least considered. And they have to get out of the re-tread business when it comes to starting pitchers.

    Cano drives me nuts, but dealing him just to deal him makes no sense. But iuf you can get a starting pitcher or outfielder from the Dodgers that’s something you should do… Billingsley or Kerhsaw plus Kemp, Loney or Ethier for Cano, Hughes and one of the good righty relievers might make some sense.

    The comment on Joba astounds me. Without first hand medical knowledge how can you take the view that he should start right now? It’s very possible he has a similar shoulder situation as Papelbon who was told pitching in short stints more frequently would be better for him. I certainly see no reason to stretch Joba out at this stage of a doomed season. If his shoulder is sound then definitely start him in ’09.

    If Ponson starts a Yankee game again I’m gonna puke!

  417. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    I’ll ask again…if cano is so bad, how are you going to get anyone of value in a trade? He’s either a valued player and you don’t trade him or he’s useless and lazy and you won’t even get a minor league mascot. Which is it, because, it can’t be both?

  418. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    “Good Lord, did I see someone actually defending Ponson on here? Geez, he’s a simply dreadful pitcher, and for the most part, always has been.”

    Yeah in fact Pete has done it in his blogs and many posters have done it in game forums on the many occasions that Sidney has pitched well and deserved the win but has not gotten it. Because you call someone “garbage” doesn’t mean that the person is. I don’t remember you being a very “positive” person on the occasions you have hung around long enough to post though so your condemnation of anything Yankee never surprises me.

  419. sunny615 September 1st, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    what is there not to believe — other than moose and mo – name another pitcher that can get batters out?

  420. Yankee Trader September 1st, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    11-2 and we’re —this close to losing the lead!!

  421. MoBoy(aka McLovin) September 1st, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    People get mad at Rasner,Edwar,Veras and ponson but these guys are journeymen.

    You don’t keep them for the whole year.You get rid of them when they suck and they play good somewhere else.The Yankees kept Ponson and Rasner to long in the rotation what do you want from them.

    Until the Yankees get rid of past prime veterns(Pettitte,Giambi,Damon and Hideki) and Journeymen(Bruney,Edwar,Veras,Rasner,ponson and Betemit) we will never be good for the whole year and be contenders with bad players who have 1 good month.

    Stop blaming guys who should never be there in the first place.Blame Pettitte and Jeter for not being clutch.Blame A-Rod for not being worth $27 million.Stop blaming Ponson of being a 5Era 5 inning pitcher.

  422. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    “Hes one of the best young second baseman in the league and is having a bad season. These things will happen.”

    Hybrid I agree on that one, so you have gained some credibility…

    ;)

  423. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    “I’ve watched Cano all season. I’ve also listened to players, guys that have enormous respect in the game, talk about how little effort he puts into his game.”

    Huh? I have yet to hear one Yankee player come out in an interview and publicly say that Cano doesn’t put any effort into his game. What version of ESPN or YES are you watching?

    If you are trying to imply that you are some baseball insider, I don’t buy it.

  424. YankeeJosh September 1st, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    “I’ve watched Cano all season. I’ve also listened to players, guys that have enormous respect in the game, talk about how little effort he puts into his game.

    You don’t think that stuff catches up to you after awhile?

    Baseball is a game of adjustments. The guys that are truly outstanding players are the guys who continue to work at it.

    He doesn’t. Its not just my opinion. Its the opinion of many people in the game. Some of them on his own team.”

    SJ, if this is the case, why didn’t the Yankees move him sooner, when his value was higher? It’s fairly common knowledge that Bowa had to really get on him for years. I’ve never been a huge fan of Cano’s but I do recognize the talent there. I had proposed making him the centerpiece of a trade for Santana in the past off-season.

  425. Hybrid Moments September 1st, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Ponson sucks. He’s not a good pitcher and if you want to get deeper it doesn’t appear that he is a very good person either with his countless alcohol related incidents.

  426. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    I love Bruney. So I say bring him back for at least two more innings if he’s on. I don’t ever remember him being fragile.

  427. Mark (Brett is back) September 1st, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Only need 2+ innings out of the pen before Mo. It might be a bumpy ride.

  428. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    “Don’t you think San Fransisco is in dire need of offense, along with Kansas City and/or LA?..thought so.”

    I’m sure they are, but to think that they are going to deal their best pitchers is a fantasy.

    Also, my post wasn’t directly in response to what you wrote. It was in response to the collectively ridiculous trade proposals I’ve read on here these last few weeks.

  429. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    “Ponson sucks. He’s not a good pitcher and if you want to get deeper it doesn’t appear that he is a very good person either with his countless alcohol related incidents.”

    Ponson has given the Yankees more than you might even expect out of a #5. About his drinking? It appears that is in his past. And someone smarter than both of us said “let the person who is without sin cast the first stone.” I believe in forgiveness. Do you?

  430. Brian September 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Billingsley or Kerhsaw plus Kemp, Loney or Ethier for Cano, Hughes and one of the good righty relievers might make some sens

    yeah except it makes no sense for the dodgers…other teams arent just going to give us what we want.

    Phil Hughes isnt going anywhere.

  431. mel September 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Who else would need insurance runs after scoring 11 in the first 3 frames?

    Jesus Christ.

  432. Mehdi iis one half Arsenal and one half Yankees September 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    I almost hope we lose this game as it will put us out of our misery. As the old Orange Juice song goes “Rip it up, and start again.”

  433. RalphieD September 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    to say veras is a journeyman is a little exagerrated

  434. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Just as I predicted. The Yankee bats have gone silent. They tend to give up in games like these.

  435. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    I love the stat guys that come out when we discuss Cano. How conveinent to leave off his numbers this year.

    He’s just not having a “bad” season. He’s having an awful season.

    Offensively and defensively, he’s been one of the worst second basemen in the AL this season.

    He’s fallen off the chart.

    The Yankees didn’t give him a 30 million dollar deal to fall off the map. They gave him that deal to produce like he did from ’05-’07.

    If he worked hard, like Arod and Jeter for example, most people would call it a “bad” year and believe he can get better.

    However, that’s not the case. He’s been a dog all season. Jon Heyman has some amazing quotes on it in his SI.com column. Stuff you NEVER hear Yankee players say about a teammate.

    Give him away? No. Trade him? Its the last year they can do it and get any value for him in return.

    They can’t “hope” he gets it together. They have to “know” it.

    Since their radar on these issues can be questionable, its much better to trade him this off-season and just move on.

    If they think Robinson Cano is all of a sudden going to develop a Jeter/Arod-like professionalism to his job, they are dreaming.

    Everybody, from Girardi to Cashman, to Arod, to Jeter, even Larry Bowa, has tried to talk to this kid this year about his work ethic and the way he approaches his job. All to no avail.

    What’s going to change in the off-season to make it better?

  436. Moe September 1st, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Are we going to tip our cap to Aquil… Lopez after the game ? this guy is AAAA pitcher at best and getting these bums out on 1-2 pitches each.

  437. robert September 1st, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    I hope this was the last time for Ponson, give a chance to anyone else. I guess Aceves can pitch next saturday instead of ponson.

  438. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    I was under the impression Veras was still pretty young.

  439. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    I am hoping we take this game. Maybe it’s better than we continue to have to struggle to win, meaning maybe the Yankees need to be reminded on a daily basis what an effort every game of the season is going to be so they don’t go to Tampa on too much of a high.

  440. Brian September 1st, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    bring in paul oneill to be the 3b coach he will give Cano a much needed kick in the ass

  441. Diggedy September 1st, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    I knew I was going to be in Detroit this weekend and bought tix before the Red Sox series. I’ve been sitting in brutal heat for two and a half hours. When they were up 11-2 I told everyone around me this game was far from over. Now they all think I’m jimmy the greek without the racism. What they don’t know is, I’m just a Yankees fan.

  442. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Of all the silly debates… whether Ponson is dreadful or just mediocre. Please. Ponson is just not a very good pitcher, so we’re lucky to have gotten what we have from him. On several occasions this season he pitched above himself.

    Sydney Ponson is not the reason we’re in the position we’re in; the fact that we needed Ponson is *part* of the reason. When you keep trotting out mediocre pitchers, you’re eventually going to see mediocrity.

    If somebody wants to adopt Sydney as their pet project and pretend he’s better than he is, what’s the harm?

  443. joe September 1st, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    dood, larish is worse than cano

  444. Barry Lane September 1st, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Peter lacock–

    What a wonderful post. Unfortunately lost.

    In any case, thank you.

    Barry

  445. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    robert – if this is Ponson’s last start then it is. I truly doubt it will be but if someone else is there I’ll be there to root the person on.

    Hope he’s healthy for the Angels though since he was our one pitcher that held them to no runs…

    Oooo what have you done for me lately?
    Ooo ooo ooo ooo yeah

  446. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    “DFox, you might want to cool it with the “unbelievably naive and emotional” and “what stupidity” talk.”

    Thanks Nick, your input was needed there. What do you call it?? Being perfectly rational when stating that Cano needs to be traded at all costs? Come on, you can’t be that dilusional. That’s being naive. And that’s being emotional. Guy makes an mistake, trade him. What else would you call it?

    “Aren’t you the guy who said that Joba was going to be bitter about being “lied to” by the Yankees because he thought he’d be back by the end of August and he wasn’t? September 2, oh the deception.”

    Read what an above poster said. They probably could have brought him back as a starter. Keep reaching Nick. He’s already complained. He said a few days ago “I should be activated now”. A 2 year old can see he’s not pleased with how the situation was handled. If you can’t see that, then keep to making funny little jokes instead of getting into the baseball talk.

  447. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    “What’s going to change in the off-season to make it better?”

    We’ve already seen a change since the botched play on Saturday. His fielding these last two games has been much better.

    My position on Cano is that he’s not lazy like people like to say. He’s got wandering judgment. That is something that can be changed.

  448. robert September 1st, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    DFA ponson

  449. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Ok reading the back and forth on Cano.

    Can someone explain to me, in baseball terms and facts, why trading Cano would be such a detriment to the Yankees?

    Right now, I am in full agreement with SJ44 and his assessment of Cano. For what he is paid and the talent he has, he has greatly underperformed this year. Save a streak in the second half of last year and you would be looking at 2 years in a row of decline, within his first 5 years.

    I do believe at this point that his value to the team is what he can bring in a trade, not being in the line up every day.

    But, I am not attached to many of the Yankee players, meaning if there is a deal, deal them.

  450. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    “DFA ponson”

    Oooo what have you done for me lately?
    Ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo yeah

  451. Lets try. September 1st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    I’m a Mets fan and I can’t wait for the day the Yankees trade Cano.

    Hopefully he’ll land on the Mets.

  452. 86w183 September 1st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Cano should have scored on that play, but the lazy SOB didn’t. The idiots on YES didn’t notice but he was stopping at 2B when he could have been running and looking for an oportunity with two outs. Then he jogged to 3B where the world’s most inept 3B coach stopped him even though Cabrera was way down the line and up again a fence chasing the ball.

    Jeter may bail them out, but once again Cano’s laziness and Meacham’s incompetence could combine to hurt the team yet again.

  453. bill from brentwood September 1st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    if cashmen did have offers for edwar, i say trade him, maybe there are idiot gm’s like max kellerman who think he’s the to setup guy. number monkeys.

  454. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    “Can someone explain to me, in baseball terms and facts, why trading Cano would be such a detriment to the Yankees?”

    There are several reasons, but look at it this way. If you had $100 and I had $20 and we made a trade, you’d be down $80, right? That trade didn’t make sense for you because you gave away more than you got in return. Unless someone can find me a 2B that’s as good as Cano is (or can be), I say we keep him.

  455. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Laura – they heard you about scoring runs!

    :)

  456. Fran September 1st, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Big hit by Derek. The Yankees needed those runs.

  457. Mark (Brett is back) September 1st, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Trisha- I have no problem with you supporting Sidney. He has pitched very well as a 4 or 5th starter for this beat up pitching staff. But now that we are in September, and the season is bascially over wouldn’t you like to see a guy like Aceves have a few starts here to see if he has a future in the organization. I think we all can agree Sidney will not be back after this year.

  458. ‪ September 1st, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    You want an example of clutch? Look no further than Derek Jeter.

  459. Betsy September 1st, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    The Yankees are not trading Phil Hughes, so it’s really a waste of space to toss his name out there. The Yankees have faith in this kid, unlike fans who want to dump him at age 22. I’ve given up on asking for patience with this kid, so I’m just going to enjoy watching him develop into a top- notch starter.

  460. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    “I’m a Mets fan and I can’t wait for the day the Yankees trade Cano.

    Hopefully he’ll land on the Mets.”

    Let’s try, obviously we both see Cano the same way.

    ;)

  461. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    GB,

    You know how you get players back for him? Everybody in sports thinks they can “fix” players. Its why you hear the “change of scenery” line when an underperforming player is traded.

    A team will think they can “fix” him and that’s how you engage in trade talks for him.

    Josh,

    They didn’t move him because they felt he was mature enough to handle a big contract and the expectations that come with it. Clearly, it was the wrong call on their part.

    When you have a player in which motivation is an issue, the last thing you do is give him security.

    Its funny, they had two players (Cano and Wang) they could have given long term deals to prior to their free agent years.

    They gave it Cano and didn’t give it to Wang.

    Instead, they took Wang to arbitration. His agent, whose firm doesn’t do arbitrations, farmed out his arbitration to a lawyer. That lawyer didn’t meet Wang until the MORNING OF THE HEARING.

    In other words, he was woefully ill-prepared to argue his arbitration case. The Yankees cleaned his clock and won the case.

    They put a guy whose motivation was never in question (Wang) through the ringer and took care of a guy (Cano) whose motivation is always in question.

    I bet the Yankees would love a “do over” on that one.

    Laura,

    I don’t care if you believe me or not. I know what I’ve been told. Ironically, Jon Heyman must have talked to the same players I’ve talked to because his column is full of player comments about Cano.

    You never hear Yankee players talk about a teammate on the record that way. That tells you how little respect Cano has with his teammates righg now.

    If he’s going to be back next year, he’s got a big job ahead of him to win back the respect of his teammates. Sometimes, that’s a pretty tall order for a player.

  462. SFBrando September 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    thank god 4 the cap

  463. Terry #1 September 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    High-scoring affair, but a good game this labor day…

  464. Bronx Jeers September 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Pudge is a good slider. I’ll give him that.

  465. S.A.-Can the Yanks win a game? Please? This offense is still offensive. September 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Nice Jetes!

  466. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    “Hopefully he’ll land on the Mets.”

    Keep dreaming. If the Yankees do trade Cano, it won’t be to the Mets unless you guys are sending Santana back in return.

  467. Brian September 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    ahmen Betsy!

  468. robert September 1st, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    a typical jeter hit, grounder to the right side of the field

  469. ‪ September 1st, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Whats is this like the 3rd time A-Rod gets up with bases loaded and 2 outs?

  470. Hybrid Moments September 1st, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    I left his numbers out this year because everyone is aware of how bad he is doing. Nice try. I like that you are insecure about me posting Cano’s previous lines though. Could it be because it doesn’t fit your ‘Lazy Dominican’ stuff you’re trying to put out there about Cano? The Heyman article means nothing to me until there’s a name attached to the quote. Until then it could just be Heyman making up stuff to suit his agenda. The bottom line is you’re advocating trading Cano because he’s had a bad season in the midst of one of the worst Yankee seasons in the past ten years. Whose going to play 2B for the Yankees in Cano’s absence? Mark Ellis? Orlando Hudson? No thanks. I’d rather give Cano another year.

  471. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    86,

    Now come on, let’s not get on Cano. He’s not “lazy”. He’s “smooth”.

    Its amazing to me how folks on this board KILL Arod everyday yet, find excuse after excuse for Cano’s laziness.

    Even Girardi, who knows better, compares the kid to Robbie Alomar. Yeah, Robbie Cano is going to be a first ballot HOF’er. Sure.

    Fortunately, Jeter bailed him out. Just another example though as to the kind of effort (or lack of it) he brings to the table everyday.

  472. Hybrid Moments September 1st, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Its really sad that you have to come on here claiming to know players and have the inside scoop SJ44.

  473. chazzh September 1st, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Pete- what are they hitting with RISP today?

  474. Betsy September 1st, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Sorry SJ – since when did Jon Heyman become the gospel? How convenient that he’s got an unnamed source for that quote.

  475. rover September 1st, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Why this hitting on Cano, you have a complete team of underperformers this year. Only Jeter may have an excuse, I think hhis hand really held him back. Abreu been Abreu relatively solid, Johnny been steady. X has been a gift. Giambi underperforming, Arod not a good for him, Cano not been sharp at all, Molina, is Molina. You’ve lost probably 80 or more rbi between Posada and Matsui, Andy struggles, Moose the only over achiever, Mo, is Mo and irreplaceable, rest up and down. Cano is young and his focus drifts, coaching would help him I think. Girardi a failure. Meacham not the best. Pena is Pena boiled down only Moose is playing to a level we expect from the players. Only moose brings satisfaction. The rest mostly disappointing and or streaky.

  476. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    “Its really sad that you have to come on here claiming to know players and have the inside scoop SJ44.”

    I agree, the pretending to know players, scouts, owning teams, etc is getting VERY old.

  477. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Ouch. Looked like Rodriguez made a last awkward step on that play. Flexing the leg/thigh the way he did when he was hurt in April.

  478. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    “Whose going to play 2B for the Yankees in Cano’s absence? Mark Ellis? Orlando Hudson? No thanks. I’d rather give Cano another year.”

    I think you’re my long lost twin. :)

  479. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Its nice how the offense shows up a week too late to save the season.

  480. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    DFox, you seem to be assuming that Joba has the emotional maturity of a 17 year old if you think that, because of his natural desire to pitch and come back sooner than the cautious front office will let him,he will therefor think that the team has lied to him and is out to get him for some dark reason. It’s all a wild stretch.

    I’m pro-baseball talk, but you’re going to have a hard time getting people to take you seriously here if imply that they’re naive idiots if they don’t see things your way.

  481. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    I’m surprised that they didn’t call up more guys.

    Are we done calling up players or is there still time?

  482. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    You mean to tell me the NY Yankees will be unable to find anybody to play second base but Robinson Cano? Are you serious?

    This team won multiple World Series in their history with second tier guys playing second base. Hell, backup second basemen (Brian Doyle and Luis Sojo) were actually World Series heroes in the past for the Yankees.

    And please, don’t hand me this race stuff. I could care less if Cano is Dominican or not.

    He’s lazy NOT because he is Dominican. He’s lazy because he’s a lazy baseball player, period. Race has nothing to do with it.

  483. mel September 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    That stupid helicopter thing Sheffield does is not quite as irritating when he pops up the ball.

  484. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    There are several reasons, but look at it this way. If you had $100 and I had $20 and we made a trade, you’d be down $80, right? That trade didn’t make sense for you because you gave away more than you got in return. Unless someone can find me a 2B that’s as good as Cano is (or can be), I say we keep him.

    Ok financially speaking, that would be bad. But, are you saying then, that not getting an equal value 2b for Cano makes it not worth the trade? When did the Yankees rely so heavily on the production of a 2b man that they ignore other deficiencies?

    You don’t need equal value at second base for Cano to have the trade made sense, which is why your example won’t work. You need equal value for Cano at any position that fills one of the many holes the Yankees have. In a time when, revenue sharing has leveled the playing field, the Yankees should trade Cano to get a relief pitcher, starting pitcher, catcher, 1b man, CF, and even ask for a decent utility player as part of the package. That is the value of the Cano trade, not to replace an apple with an apple.

    The Yankees got by with Enrique Wilson, Scott Brosius, Aaron Boone at 3b while not sacrificing any offensive production. Offense alone does not make Cano worth his contract.

  485. Lets try. September 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    “I’m a Mets fan and I can’t wait for the day the Yankees trade Cano.
    Hopefully he’ll land on the Mets.”
    Let’s try, obviously we both see Cano the same way.”

    We certainly do trisha, I feel sorry for this so call “know it all baseball fans”. You can’t give up on a kid with so much talent like the one’s Cano possess, and even if you did who are you going to replace him with?….think.

    I feel sorry for Edwar though good kid with an average fastball and an above average change up. Outings like this only give Pete jump on him.

    Hey, has anybody wonder if Pete has anything against latin players. I never seem to read negative comments towards white players as much as he cowardly pick on the latin players, like A-Rod , Cano, Melky, and Edwar. All I’m saying is I never read any smart comments about Kennedy, or Hughes when ever they struggled. Open your eyes people.

  486. Hybrid Moments September 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    SJ44′s guide to baseball wisdom: trade one of the best young second baseman in the league while he is coming off his worst year in the majors. You’re sure to get value for that.

  487. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Well, considering how far Jeter has fallen this year, SJ…maybe it’s time to ship him out so “somebody can fix him….you know…a change of scenery”.

  488. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    ““Its really sad that you have to come on here claiming to know players and have the inside scoop SJ44.”

    I agree, the pretending to know players, scouts, owning teams, etc is getting VERY old.”

    C’mon guys lighten up. Posters who pretend to know players, and have dinner with Joe Girardi are part of what makes this blog so fun to participate in.

  489. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    OK Nick, keep belittling Joba’s maturity. He’s probably much more mature than you. All you seem to be able to post is how dumb Joba Chamberlain is and that he knows, nothing, thinks he knows everything, etc.

    I love how Joba all of a sudden knows nothing and the Yankees are the gospel on handling injuries.

  490. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    I’m not pretending anything hybrid. I’ve written in the past re: my professional background. Pete also knows of it.

    If you don’t want to believe it, fine by me.

    Its not a mystery though to the regulars on the blog nor to its founder.

  491. Doreen (I'm thinking we might possibly be just about dead) September 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Pete

    I just got in and read your updates. I cao only imagine what your scorecard looks like!

    Well, guys, what a game, huh?

    Ponson – well, they got a few good games out of him. Not so much lately. They need to put someone (anyone?)in his spot next go-round. Thanks, Sid, but no more.

    Now to catch up and watch the game concurrently.

    Enjoy the rollercoaster ride, everyone.

  492. Alfred E. Neuman September 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    The Yankees need to sweep this one game series in Detroit.

  493. Mark (Brett is back) September 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Ben Sheets left Monday’s game after five innings with left groin tightness.

    Stay away from this guy Hank.

  494. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    OH NO…

  495. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Coke warming up…

    finally

  496. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    “SJ44’s guide to baseball wisdom: trade one of the best young second baseman in the league while he is coming off his worst year in the majors. You’re sure to get value for that.”

    Yep, and you forgot about the last part: Watch the traded second basemen win batting titles with whatever team he’s traded to. SJ44 knows so many scouts, I’m surprised he hasn’t talked to the bunch of them that tout Cano as a future batting champion.

  497. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Pete, mind taking a picture of your scorebook so we have some visual proof? :-p

  498. Yankeefanfoev13 September 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    SJ44,

    I don’t know if you read Joel Sherman’s article this morning but he had a couple of possible trades and FA pick ups.
    He had Robby Cano getting traded for a young ace-type pitcher such as Billingsly, Cain, or Grienke.
    And he had us picking up a 2B through FA such as Orlando Hudson, along with getting rid of Jason and Bobby (unless he takes a 1 yr deal)..he also mentioned possibly trading Hudges for a young 1B like Joey Votto.

    Do you see any of these deals realistically happening?

  499. Lets try. September 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    “Hopefully he’ll land on the Mets.”
    Keep dreaming. If the Yankees do trade Cano, it won’t be to the Mets unless you guys are sending Santana back in return.”

    But isn’t he Garbage according to 90% of this blog. Why would you guys get Santana in return of “garbage”.

  500. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    On body of work GB, who has the more extensive resume and respect, Jeter or Cano?

    Have you EVER heard a player on the Yankees go to the media, under the guise of “unnamed source” and rip Jeter’s work ethic? No.

    You believe Robbie Cano is an untouchable. I believe he’s not. Let’s just agree to disagree.

  501. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    “The Yankees got by with Enrique Wilson, Scott Brosius, Aaron Boone at 3b while not sacrificing any offensive production. Offense alone does not make Cano worth his contract.”

    That’s not what I’m saying. This may just be my way of thinking, but you don’t give away gold for silver under any circumstances.

  502. Doreen (I'm thinking we might possibly be just about dead) September 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Well, I think we will all know what the Yankees think of Cano’s play during the off-season. If they are of the opinion he is too high maintenance and not worth it, he’ll be gone. If they think he is salvageable and put a plan in place to “maintain” him, then he’ll be here next season. I think Cano is worth one more year, at least, but, alas it matters not what I think.

    NO ONE is irreplaceable. No one. And as the season goes on, I’m readying myself for anything and emotionally detaching from the team as a whole, and certain players in particular. Nothing will shock me this off-season.

  503. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    “Trisha- I have no problem with you supporting Sidney. He has pitched very well as a 4 or 5th starter for this beat up pitching staff. But now that we are in September, and the season is bascially over wouldn’t you like to see a guy like Aceves have a few starts here to see if he has a future in the organization. I think we all can agree Sidney will not be back after this year.”

    Mark, I guess I haven’t totally conceded the season but let me say this. I am for anyone who can help this team get Ws and if Aceves deserves a try, I’m all for trying him.

    Doreen – what you didn’t get from Pete’s comments but you will get when you hear the broadcasters and everyone else on the postgame is that Sidney was really rolling right along until he got hit on the hand with a pitch. Then things came apart for him. That just in the name of fairness, which we don’t always get all the time in terms of comments or posts.

  504. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    “But isn’t he Garbage according to 90% of this blog. Why would you guys get Santana in return of “garbage”.”

    I’m sure you’ve noticed by now that I’m not one of the 90%.

  505. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    And, Brian Bruney restores some order for another inning. Cano’s going to dog a pitch over the right center field wall.

  506. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    DFox,

    You are guaranteeing Cano will win batting titles?

    That’s as funny as believing Joba will, “hold it against the Yankees” if they don’t do what he wants them to do.

  507. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    DFox, how did you miss that point? I wasn’t belittling Joba’s maturity, nor do I thinh he’s dumb. I was belittling YOUR assessment of Joba’s maturity if you think he would be as silly as you’re implying.

    Joba has shown himself to be mature beyond his years, which is why your talk of lies and bitterness is just goofy.

  508. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Just so I can get a feel. Can everyone post which NFL team they are a fan of?

    BTW my handle should shine some light on my loyalty football wise.

  509. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    “Nothing will shock me this off-season.”

    Well, that’s not true. You’d be shocked if A-Rod, Jeter or Mo was traded. You’d have a coronary if all were traded. :P

  510. YankeeJosh September 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    “That’s not what I’m saying. This may just be my way of thinking, but you don’t give away gold for silver under any circumstances”

    I don’t consider Cano gold, he has too many flaws, but for the sake of your argument, do you trade gold for silver and bronze?

    Nobody is saying to give away Cano for nothing. But if you can get value that helps the team (a Center Fielder, solid starter, etc) you have to try and do it.

    Cano has shown there are enough flaws in his game (low OBP, inconsistent fielding) that he should not be untouchable.

  511. Gary September 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Yeah sure, give Cano another year. The safe and sane analogy is to be rid of a player like Cano a year sooner than a year too late.
    He show no semblance of climbing out of his funk. He’s content with mediocrity and believing that he’s the next Rod Carew without actually proving it.

  512. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Regarding fantasy trade proposals: please no Joey Vatto. He may or may not be great, but I don’t think I can take David Cone growling his name for a full season.

  513. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Trisha: Sidney had one good inning, but he wasn’t rolling in the first or second–the Yankees had been so good offensively that it just looked that way.

  514. Scott September 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    I’ve never commented on here…but anyone on the Cano bandwagon is, to say the least, out of touch. Have you watched more than 5 games this year? That is about how many games I have missed. Robby does not give a fill in the blank, plan and simple.

    He’s 100 times more talented than Pedroia…but have you compared numbers lately? He never had a high walk rate, he’s completely impatient at the plate, and he relies on a high batting average to fuel the OBP/SLG. When you do not have that then you have nothing. He CLEARLY does not hustle in the field. The last couple days were nice to see…until he lets one go under his glove today. Gotta get that, kiddo.

    From Baseball Prospectus:
    “No way they should have given Robbie that contract. He’s the last guy who should have gotten a contract like that. They never gave a deal like that to Derek Jeter or Bernie Williams or Jorge Posada or Mariano Rivera with so much time to go before free agency… They picked the wrong guy.”
    —Anonymous Yankee

    “Pedroia doesn’t have one-quarter the talent of Cano, but he’s outplaying him by a mile.”
    —Anonymous Yankee (Jon Heyman, SI.com)

  515. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    “You are guaranteeing Cano will win batting titles? ”

    I don’t think anyone can guarantee that, but we can bet on it. And I have a feeling we’d win.

  516. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    “You are guaranteeing Cano will win batting titles?”

    No… But I’m surprised all your scout friends haven’t told you… That’s the word, from scouts, that he’s the type of player who will hit .340 and win batting titles.

    But then again, Cano just had a fluke .342 season. And a fluke .297 season. Don’t forget about his fluke .306 season. Probably a lot of lucky hits and breaks… Or no, maybe he’s an outstanding pure hitter like everyone who doesn’t look with clouded vision can see.

  517. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    “Cano has shown there are enough flaws in his game (low OBP, inconsistent fielding) that he should not be untouchable.”

    No one is untouchable except for Mo and A-Rod (only because of that contract). My position on Cano is that we should give him another year before we throw in the towel.

  518. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    So, Josh, who’s going to trade a top of the line center fielder for a “flawed” dog?

  519. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Rebecca, he was rolling in the way Sid always rolls. As the magician. Nothing more nothing less. He got out of those innings without getting really hurt. And he was still rolling when he got hit.

  520. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    I just got back from the parade w/ my girl.

    checked Mike Ashmores’s ThunderThoughts blog not bad for Micheal Dunn LHP reliever clocking 94 mph, I can’t wait to see what Coke does. Any way Garcia was wild today but good velocity so was Sanchez BRB.

  521. Doreen (♫NotDeadYet♫) September 1st, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Laura -

    That WOULD shock me, absolutely! So, I’d have to amend my statement. The only thing that would shock me would be if any combination of if Jeter, Mariano, Posada, ARod and Joba were traded. :lol:

  522. YankeeJosh September 1st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    Scott,

    That’s a great summary of the issues with Cano. Even when he’s hot and playing great, he still doesn’t have quality at bats and that causes him to be streaky. Players who can work quality at bats tend to be more consistent and perform better against better talent. It’s why imo Cano is a player to trade (if the right deal comes along) as opposed to build around.

  523. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    That’s not what I’m saying. This may just be my way of thinking, but you don’t give away gold for silver under any circumstances.

    Laura, I agree, you don’t give away gold for silver. What I am saying is, and it seems everyone is missing the value that Cano brings, is that trading Cano is NOT about getting another 2b in return, it is about filling deficiencies. So you can get gold for gold by trading Cano.

  524. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    From Baseball Prospectus:
    “No way they should have given Robbie that contract. He’s the last guy who should have gotten a contract like that. They never gave a deal like that to Derek Jeter or Bernie Williams or Jorge Posada or Mariano Rivera with so much time to go before free agency… They picked the wrong guy.”
    —Anonymous Yankee

    “Pedroia doesn’t have one-quarter the talent of Cano, but he’s outplaying him by a mile.”
    —Anonymous Yankee (Jon Heyman, SI.com)

    I said this the first time these quote made the rounds. Put a name by them if you want me to believe them.

  525. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    There my boy Lastings

  526. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    I was away for the weekend and didn’t see the Sherman column until today.

    Frankly, I think anything and everything is on the table.

    Regardless of whether or not Cashman is back, I don’t see a lot of untouchables on the 40 man roster. The Yankees will handle a bad season like this as long as it happens once. I don’t see them being passive this off-season.

    In making deals, it will depend on which guys they decide to bring back. Which guys they sign in free agency, progress of some of the younger guys in winter ball, etc.

    Teams are loathe to trade young pitching these days. I think obtaining a guy like Greinke could be tough.

    There will be trade opporunities out there though. Just a matter of whom the Yankees decide to put on the market.

  527. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    And Rebecca he gave up all of two runs until he was hit on the hand.

  528. Vin September 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Heyman has far better Yankee sources than anyone. Him and Olney.

    Just because people are in denial, doesn’t mean the writers have a conspiracy against the Yankees.

  529. RIGHT after you see pigs fly... September 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Look at the line for the Yankees’ hitters…who is the only Yankee to NOT get a hit AND has also left 6 runners on base ?…Hmmmmm,,,,that would be the BALL and CHAIN Giambi, who continues to bat in the 5 spot because he owns pictures of Girardi dressed as a ballerina.

  530. Fran September 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Al – I’m with you. I am a die-hard Jets fan and looking forward to Sunday.

  531. Bronx Jeers September 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    I propose this to settle the Cano debate.

    If Cano leads off with a hit next inning, he’s great and should remain a Yankee.

    If he makes an out, he’s garbage and they bid him adieu.

    Sound fair?

  532. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    “I just got back from the parade w/ my girl.

    checked Mike Ashmores’s ThunderThoughts blog not bad for Micheal Dunn LHP reliever clocking 94 mph, I can’t wait to see what Coke does. Any way Garcia was wild today but good velocity so was Sanchez BRB.”

    Good info. I am real anxious to see Coke and glad that Sanchez is in AA already. He should be a serious bullpen cog next season.

  533. mel September 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Nick in SF,

    It’s like arguing with a child. Just stop.

  534. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    those two sources are somehow known by SJ44 ;)

  535. Hughes Dynasty September 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Nobody is untouchable except Joba.

    Hughes can be had for a price. Cano can be had.

  536. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Phil Coke baby!!!

  537. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Coke is taking Farnsworth’s number.

  538. G. Love September 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    How any real Yankee fan can look themselves in the mirror and defend Cano for his dog routine this year is shocking to me.

    You can’t trade him? Are you kidding me?

    He is not a winning ballplayer. You really think Cano gives a fart about whether the Yankees win championships?

    He’s a flashy dog. That’s all he is. This “smooth” nonsense is a bunch of drooling fanboys made up excuse for a guy who doesn’t play the game hard..and that includes the manager in the dugout who won’t see year 3 of his deal to be manager here.

    Take Cano’s talent and ship him out of here ASAP for some hungry players who want be champions. Let Cano go hit .300 for some also ran team. He doesn’t care as long as the checks get deposited every 2 weeks.

    I hope he never wears a Yankee uniform again after that season.

    And if you got beef with that i.e. my opinion Col. Jessup, you know where to put it.

    How anyone can think he’s an important part of a championship team, who has actually seen what championships teams look like here in the past, is beyond me.

  539. Scott September 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Laura,

    Guys of the caliber of Jon Heyman do not go around making up quotes. Get over it.

    Think that would go over well if the Yankee named himself? It’d be a nightmare.

    That’s a Yankee – not me, not you, not anyone off the street. That’s someone who knows Robby personally, knows the game of baseball, and knows what goes on in that clubhouse.

    When you add in the fact he bailed after his atrocious play the other night…forget it.

  540. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Al, I’m not a football fan unfortunately (because those of you who are have something to take your minds off “other things” if it happens that way) but I can tell you that I am a fan of anyone who plays the Pats!

  541. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    “So you can get gold for gold by trading Cano.”

    I get what you are saying – If we can pick up a decent pitcher and a good position player, trading Cano makes sense. My contention is that with 88mil coming off the books, I think we can accomplish that goal without dealing Cano.

  542. Joey's Poodle September 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    SJ44,

    I don’t know a d*mn thing about your professional background and I don’t need to in order to compare your knowledgable posts with the swill that makes up 85-90% of the posts here.

    Lets Try,

    You must not have been here long if you never noticed any “smart remarks about Kennedy” coming from Pete. He’s pretty much an equal opportunity scoffer, and only someone looking for a good whine would pretend that he has to wait for any particular ethnicity to be involved to skewer someone for a sardonic laugh.

  543. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    “Al – I’m with you. I am a die-hard Jets fan and looking forward to Sunday.”

    I feel like I’m 8 years old and Favre is under the tree, lol.
    I’m anxious to see the pass rush as well.

  544. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Man, I’m not crazy about a rookie making his debut against this team. Regardless of the results, “This is no the place for children”.

  545. hank hal September 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Cashman has to “discuss further” about keeping Joba in the rotation? Is he serious? What smoke screen is he trying to set exactly?

    Joba is our ace. Melancon/Sanchez are knocking on the door.

    How is this something he has to “discuss further”? It’s not being politically correct, it’s being stupid.

  546. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    The slider is in developement for Coke, you can see that pitch might bring him big time trouble in the ML, he’s getting away w/ it now because they don’t know him.

  547. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    “He is not a winning ballplayer. You really think Cano gives a fart about whether the Yankees win championships?”

    What are you??? A mind reader?? You know whether Cano cares about championships? Just stop. There’s no credibility to statements like that.

    Like all the people who constantly say he dogs it. How do you know this? You know when he boots a ball or misses a grounder it’s because he’s not trying? Can that be the reason? Yes, but it doesn’t mean that’s why… Why do A-Rod and Jeter make errors? But when they do it we can just assume it’s not because they were dogging it.

    The whole dogging concept is this: a theory. No one can prove it, unless you get into Cano’s mind.

  548. Hybrid Moments September 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    I still can’t believe there are people here who want Cano gone after one bad year. Its mind boggling. But I guess this is what happens when the Yankees lose.

  549. Lets try. September 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    PLEASE!!! Lets find a way to deal Cano to the Mets.

    Lets talk, who you guys want that we have, oh, not Johan Santana please.

  550. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Laura,

    Jon Heyman didn’t make up those quotes. They came from one of the more senior Yankees in that clubhouse. A guy universally respected.

    DFox,

    Most scouts in the game think the Yankees made a mistake giving Cano that contract. Fans, broadcasters, agents (at contract time) and talk radio hosts predict batting titles. Scouts don’t.

    Scouts look at effort, consistency and projectability. They, unlike many fans, also realize its a moving target.

    Things change. Players change. Some work harder after signing a big deal to prove their worth. Others do not.

    Some have injuries curtail their game. Which affects projectability.

    The point I’m making is, player evaluation is a fluid process. Those who are rooted in 2006 concepts in 2008 often are proven wrong.

    Its why players are constantly evaluated, both inside and outside, their organizations. The process never stops after a player has a good year.

  551. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    We can go on and on about this until the end of the season and our minds aren’t going to change. I think we should keep Cano for another year. That’s all I have to say on the matter.

  552. Hybrid Moments September 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    P.S.: Ben Sheets left after 5IP with a groin injury.

  553. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    “Al, I’m not a football fan unfortunately (because those of you who are have something to take your minds off “other things” if it happens that way) but I can tell you that I am a fan of anyone who plays the Pats!”

    Well you and I are on the same page Trish. I am sorry that you have no other sports to watch besides, well you know. However hot stove is soon and we all know that the Yanks will be “active”.

  554. Mark (Brett is back) September 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Al- Calvin Pace baby. Like what I saw vs Eli. Looking forward to see the defense the oline Brett Keller Lowery starting opposite Revis. Here they also might pick up lynch.

  555. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    How can they give Coke Farnsy’s number :(

  556. SP September 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Hughes today for Scranton:

    5.2 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 4 BB, 8 K

    104 pitches, 67 strikes

    Besides the walks, it was a good outing. The hits weren’t hit particularly hard. One was a bloop double and another was an infield single on a bad throw by the 3rd baseman. Scranton also made 2 errors which hurt his pitch count a little.

  557. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    WOW nice curve

  558. Joey's Poodle September 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    G. Love, thanks for that ‘drooling fanboys’!! The very phrase I was looking for when I mentioned the 85-90% swill posts!!

  559. Betsy September 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Phil’s line today:

    5.2 4 1 1 4 8 0, 6-3 G/F, 104-67 p/s

    of the four hits, only one went for extra-bases, 2B.

    **4 walks is a lot, but if Phil is working on stuff and not just looking for results, then it’s not a surprise. Most likely he was experimenting with his cutter or his change was not quite there yet.

    Here are Chad’s comments from before Phil left:

    Top fifth: A lot of playoff preview stuff to write, so I haven’t been able to keep the same detailed notes I usually do when Phil Hughes starts. He does look much better than the last time I saw him, though. The gun here in Syracuse is a little tough to read sometimes, but I’ve generally seen Hughes sitting at 92-93 mph with his fastball, and the curveball and changeup seem much sharper today than the previous two times I saw him (I didn’t see his most recent start). Nothing seems especially different, he just seems to be locating his pitches much better. The result is seven strikeouts and one run through five innings.

  560. PP September 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Cano is a goner after the season.

  561. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    That was a nasty curve

  562. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    No… But I’m surprised all your scout friends haven’t told you… That’s the word, from scouts, that he’s the type of player who will hit .340 and win batting titles

    Winning batting titles does not = $30 million. It does not excuse him from poor defensive play or poor base running. In fact, winning a batting title has nothing to do with the all around value of a player. If it did, Rod Carew and Wade Boggs and Tony Gwynn would be the best players of all time.

    He has had one season where he produced close to 100 RBI’s, last year. Otherwise, his numbers are paltry – I mean for a guy winning batting titles and so many more to come, you would think that he could produce more than 60-70 RBI’s.

    I think being hung up on batting average alone makes for a less than strong argument. How does he do when he produces an out? Does he work the pitch count? Does he advance runners? Does he hit SF and score runs? Those are the qualities that should concern someone if you are trading players.

  563. S.A.-Can the Yanks win a game? Please? This offense is still offensive. September 1st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Nice Coke!

  564. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    “PLEASE!!! Lets find a way to deal Cano to the Mets.”

    What, you’re not happy with Easley at 2B? Didn’t you hear that you can just put any warm body at 2B regardless of talent?

  565. Denny September 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    “The gun here in Syracuse is a little tough to read sometimes, but I’ve generally seen Hughes sitting at 92-93 mph with his fastball,”

    Hughes isn’t throwing 100mph??? No high 90′s????

    You don’t say!

  566. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Coke was very impressive, but, I still didn’t think that was the time to use him.

  567. Fran September 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Nice job by Coke in his ML debut.

    Al- My favorite defensive player is Kerry Rhodes. I am looking forward to seeing Favre and Cotchery hooking up on Sunday.

  568. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    “Scouts look at effort, consistency and projectability. They, unlike many fans, also realize its a moving target.

    Things change. Players change. Some work harder after signing a big deal to prove their worth. Others do not.”

    Let me ask you a question. When Cano was an impossible out after the all-star break, what happened? He decided to try hard for a few weeks then decided not to try hard anymore? That makes literally no sense. He became an impossible out and then said “this isn’t fun, I’ll just stop trying again”. That’s what you think he says to himself?

  569. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Compare Cano to Joe Mauer. Mauer has one more season than Cano but his numbers are not much different. He produces a high BA but nothing more offensively. But his defensive value adds to his BA so it makes him better than Cano.

    If Cano plays defense and does more with his outs than just making an out, then there is a valid argument to keep him another year before trading him.

    Otherwise, Cano hitting .340 for the Mets or some other team is just a great personal season.

  570. VinF September 1st, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    SJ44 has been anti Cano for two years. It was like Christmas morning for him reading Heymans column bashing Cano.

  571. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    I am fairly impressed with the pitchers down in the minors today and those who have made their MLB debut recently (Aceves and Coke). Coke’s fastball sat at around 91-93 and his breaking ball was thrown very well on the inside part of the plate. As for Aceves, a fastball with velocity around 90-92, reaching 94-95 a few times is impressive, but his curveball impressed me too. To anyone who saw David Eckstein strike out against Aceves yesterday, he was just completely baffled.

    Hughes and Garcia most especially did great for Scranton and Trenton respectively.

  572. robert September 1st, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    one pitch , one out , all over again. nice cano

  573. lil' m September 1st, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    As the saying goes, the best predictor of future behavior is past performance. What in Cano’s history shows that he will do a 180 and make like Jeter or A-Rod now? And if being the starting second baseman for the New York Yankees AND the only young player to whom they’ve given a big contract in recent memory isn’t motivation enough, what is? For his teammates to be calling him out in the press, there has to be major dissatisfaction with his attitude and effort, not just the results.

  574. AZ Four September 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Coke was dealing!

    Him and Aceves have looked very nice.

    Next years pen competition is going to be stiff.

  575. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    “Cashman has to “discuss further” about keeping Joba in the rotation? Is he serious? What smoke screen is he trying to set exactly?

    Joba is our ace. Melancon/Sanchez are knocking on the door.

    How is this something he has to “discuss further”? It’s not being politically correct, it’s being stupid.”

    I never understand why the Yankees mostly Cashman and Girardi give stupid “smokescreen” type answers. If you still don’t think Joba should start I know a few Psychiatrists who can help. Sanchez and Melancon are both going to be bullpen studs within the next year, why waste our future Ace in the pen? Cash should get a memo with the date July, 25th on it look at what Joba did at Fenway, very few pitchers in the game could have smothered the Sux in their own building.

  576. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Coke does appear to have a little Andy Pettitte to his style. He’s smoothed things out since his Charleston and Tampa days.

  577. Denny September 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Please don’t embarrass yourself comparing Cano to Mauer. It is laughable. One plays the most demanding position on the field and handles a staff probably better than any catcher in the game. Not to mention hitting over 300. One plays lackadaisical and rarely plays hard.

    That has to be a joke.

  578. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    oh, and I too am a Jets fan. I’m looking forward to his regular season debut for Gang Green. And if anyone cares (most likely not :P ) than my favorite players are David Harris and Jerricho Cotchery

  579. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    I don’t think he can be a SP like Newman said. Coke was good not impressive, good velocity the first inning topped out at 94 MPH (was a bit wild), his curveball is a plus pitch, the slider is a bit flat.

  580. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    “It does not excuse him from poor defensive play or poor base running.”

    Yep, and you’re such a super scout that when Cano was hitting, hitting .340, and hitting .306, you were paying close attention to his defense, and close attention to his base running. Can you please give me your list of base running mistakes Cano made in the 2006 and 2007 seasons? Because I would think to become a notoriously poor base runner there would be tons of examples. Same with defense.

  581. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    My contention is that with 88mil coming off the books, I think we can accomplish that goal without dealing Cano.

    Point well taken.

  582. PP September 1st, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Typical board here. Getting way too excited about one inning from a marginal prospect.

  583. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    “Al- Calvin Pace baby. Like what I saw vs Eli. Looking forward to see the defense the oline Brett Keller Lowery starting opposite Revis. Here they also might pick up lynch.”

    I think Lynch went to the Pats.

    “Coke was dealing!

    Him and Aceves have looked very nice.

    Next years pen competition is going to be stiff.”

    Coke is next years lefty guy and Aceves is the long-man likely if he pitches well.

  584. Lets try. September 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Laura,
    It seems as if some of your fellow Yankee lovers would be better of with a second basement close to his 40′s with productivity but is only good for one season.

    You guys can have Easley, I’ll drive both of them myself. I won’t charge toll or gas. Can’t beat that, right?

  585. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Hughes and Garcia most especially did great for Scranton and Trenton respectively.

    Velocity and control wise Garcia is going to jump Hughes next yr. if he stays healthy. They both were too wild today. Garcia has the AJ Burnett/J. Beckett (stuff/health)

  586. Villone September 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    My friend was at the Trenton game and said the following -

    - Sanchez is a monster physically, very intimidating. Stuff looked very good, a couple of great curves.

    - Garcia was wild but his stuff “lived up to the billing” in his words. Nothing was hit hard off him and the walks killed him but his stuff was nasty.

    - Jackson hit the ball hard even though he was 0-4.

    - Dunn hit 94 but let 2 inherited runners score when relieving Garcia.

  587. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Matt,

    I don’t know who Heyman’s second source is. I have an idea but, without proof, can’t say I know who it is.

    I know who his first source is though. Mainly because, he has said the same thing to me several times over the course of the year.

    In my experience, when that happens, it tells you its been a debated subject in the locker room over the course of the season among the veteran players.

    Does that mean Cano has to go no matter what? No. However, if he stays, he will have some fencemending to do with the returning vets or its not going to work out for him in NY.

    The only way he can do it is to come to play everyday. Even his staunchist supporters, like Bowa, have said publicly this season he doesn’t always come to play.

    That’s the issue with him. His effort. His production has fallen because it parallels his lack of effort.

    The question now is, what will the Yankees do about it in the off-season?

  588. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    “oh, and I too am a Jets fan. I’m looking forward to his regular season debut for Gang Green. And if anyone cares (most likely not :P ) than my favorite players are David Harris and Jerricho Cotchery”

    I care. I like to here what my fellow Jet fans have to say. Harris is an animal who will get 150+ tackles again this year. Cotchery will become one of the best with Favre at the helm.

  589. rover September 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Moose the only player exceeding expectations, nearly everyone else falling short of expectations, and Cano gets singled out. Did anyone see JD’s adventures in center field the other day? Mostly as individual players all have had lacklustre seasons, yet Cano is singled out. Based on that you have to trade em all off.

  590. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Is the only quote we’re talking about the one where Heyman quotes one player????

    Perhaps anonymous Yankee is jealous Yankee.

    In any event, I know my take doesn’t matter to the Yankees nor should it so it doesn’t matter what I want to happen with Cano. (The fact of the matter is I would definitely keep him. I do think he’s gold.)

    But my read of the Yankee organization at least is that the love what they have in Cano and see him as their future so I doubt he’ll be getting traded. So it really doesn’t matter who sees it or doesn’t see it their way. They’re the ones making the decision.

    I think every other team in the league would think the Yankees had lost their mind if they traded Cano – but that’s because the harshest critics of someone are always those closest to the person.

  591. Joe from Long Island September 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    I’m not a baseball professional, nor do I know any.

    But I do know what I see.

    Earlier in the game, when Cano missed what looked like a sure DP grounder up the middle, I could see the look on Jeter’s face on my HDTV, as he, Jeter, ran to second to take the throw.

    Jeter did not look happy.

  592. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    The day that Mauer produces as many runs in the 2-3 slots like Cano does in the 7-8 slots or when Mauer starts showing more power away from his home park, then, you can compare them and say that Mauer’s a better hitter. Put Cano on that carpet with short fences and see the numbers.

  593. Lets try. September 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    laura, I commend you for being a female with lots of baseball knowledge. Most of the time that I come on this board I just read more often than not. And am always looking for your post’s. They are rational, and after the rationality comes the credibility. Sj, is good but to give up on a kid like Cano at his age is beyond my understanding.

  594. Mark (Brett is back) September 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    AL- My friends and I were going through the Jets schedule, and I tried to be as neutral as possible, but I see this team winning 10-11 games if Favre can stay healthy. Its all about staying positive even if the team is 1-2 after 3 games.

  595. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Denny
    September 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pm
    Please don’t embarrass yourself comparing Cano to Mauer. It is laughable. One plays the most demanding position on the field and handles a staff probably better than any catcher in the game. Not to mention hitting over 300. One plays lackadaisical and rarely plays hard.
    That has to be a joke.

    Mensa, did you read the post. I am making the point that you just tried to say I didn’t. That would be that if you look at two hitters who have similar numbers and then look at their overall value, Cano’s lack of defense makes him less valuable than Mauer because of Mauer’s defensive ability.

    Just to help you out, here is the exact statement; He produces a high BA but nothing more offensively. But his defensive value adds to his BA so it makes him better than Cano.

  596. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Dfox,

    Let me ask you something about Cano.

    How do you evaluate a player. One good week or what that player does over the course of the season?

    Have we seen effort from Cano from Game 1 to Game 137? Have we seen results? No on both counts.

    Over the course of the year, every player has a hot week or two. Success in the game is based on consistency.

    The Yankees for example, have been consistently inconsistent all year. Absent one 8 game winning streak, they have been basically a .500 team all year. That makes them a non-playoff team.

    Same thing with players. When a guy has been consistently below average all season, he is having a below average year.

    When his effort level is questioned by his own teammates, that’s a problem.

    Forget what I have to say about Cano. Its meaningless in the big picture. Don’t you find it troubling that some of his own teammates feel the same way about him?

    Since those guys are together for 162 games over 180 days, don’t you think they have a better read on the situation than you or I?

  597. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    “You guys can have Easley, I’ll drive both of them myself. I won’t charge toll or gas. Can’t beat that, right?”

    Let’s Try, you are one funny comedian. While I’m sure that some here would prefer Easley over Cano, I do not. I think we’ll hold on to Cano for now. Thanks!

  598. BBFan September 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Folks, nobody is going to be cut now.

    It is September and there is no constraint of 25 players on the ML team. What probably will happen is that Rasner and Sidney will get repalced by other starters, kids auditioning. Rasner and Sidney will go to the bullpen.

  599. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    As much as the Jets get thier pub, it’s amazing I mean if we’re talking about recieveing cores how about my Giants ?

    Sinorice Moss (the speed reciever)
    Steve Smith (possesion/speed)
    Plax (throw it he gets)
    Toomer (possesion vet)
    Dominek Hixon (you saw him on Monday Night)
    Mario Manningham (wait till you see this kid grow)

  600. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    I think every other team in the league would think the Yankees had lost their mind if they traded Cano

    Unless you are Billy Beane, then you would see the true value of trading him to fill your deficiencies and letting the “so called chips” fall where they may.

  601. Doreen (♫NotDeadYet♫) September 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    SJ44 -

    The hope for Cano, in my mind is that he is able to put 2 and 2 together and realize that he can’t just rely on his “God-given talent” and put up good numbers, that it will take work ALL THE TIME. So, we’ll find out if the Yankees are patient enough to give him one more season. But, if the right deal presents itself, well….

  602. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    “I care. I like to here what my fellow Jet fans have to say. Harris is an animal who will get 150+ tackles again this year. Cotchery will become one of the best with Favre at the helm.”

    right on. Harris had 18 and 20 tackles in 2 games last season; 90 tackles for last yr when he was behind Vilma on the depth chart.

  603. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Joe Mauer is a catcher who has won batting titles and is a consistent all star. He’s also a leader on an overachieving Twins team in his Mid-20′s. Robby Cano should pray he has a career like Joe Mauer’s.

    Its laughable to compare Mauer to Cano. Mauer is a better player.

    If any GM in baseball had to pick from the two for their team, there isn’t one GM who would pick Cano.

    Its one thing to believe Cano should not be traded. That’s a reasonable position. To compare him to Mauer? Makes no sense to me.

  604. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    “They are rational, and after the rationality comes the credibility. ”

    Well, that has to be the nicest thing a Mets fan has ever said to me. It’s a welcome change from the usual “The Yankees suck!” chant.

  605. Joe from Long Island September 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Does anyone remember Roberto Kelly?

    Joel Sherman, in his book, recounts how he would take weeks off at a time during the season, just going through the motion. And how that drove Gene Michael, then GM, crazy.

    We saw what happened then.

  606. G. Love September 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    How are you “giving up” on Cano if you trade him for talented ballplayers who fill needs and change the rotten chemistry on this club?

    Has ANYONE here ever said DFA Cano? Have they?

    NO. They want to trade him for top young talent on other teams who might be willing to part with such talent to get a 2b with Cano’s potential.

    To many of us, it’s clear he is not a championship ballplayer. He doesn’t have the gamer mentality. He doesn’t do anything hard or seem to go outside of his comfort zone.

    What’s come easy to him is what he relies on and that’s all well and good if he’s Arod…but he’s not Arod. He’s not even in the top 5 2b in the game anymore.

    He’s a middle infielder who can hit when he uses his 2 cent brain who can’t hit in a pressure spot in the order, has limited speed and drifts mentally during the games in his FOURTH season in the show.

    If another organization wants to try to tap into his potential and watch him not hit when the season begins again, let them as long as they give up quality talent.

    That’s not giving up on Cano. That’s taking a fading asset and turning it into something better.

    Something many here in Yankeeland forget is a huge part of building a championship team.

    Or were you the fans who were all up in arms when we traded Roberto Kelly for O’Neil? Kelly was very productive and well liked here in NY.

    How’d that one turn out?

  607. YankeeJosh September 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    After 1992 the Yankees sent Roberto Kelly to the Reds for a platoon outfielder (at the time) in Paul O’Neill. Kelly had for a long time been touted as the future center fielder of the Yankees, and like Cano started to regress a bit towards the end of his stay in NY.

    Likewise, the Red Sox traded Nomar in 2004 for Orlando Cabrera and Doug Mientkiewicz. No doubt, Nomar was the most talented player of those traded, but Cabrera proved to be a great fit.

    Sometimes it’s not about finding the best statistical player but about finding the one who is the right fit for the team. Based on Cano’s approach at the plate, lack of good at bats, it may well be that he’s not the right player for this team to build around although he is undoubtedly very talented.

  608. Fran September 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    I think that the Yanks should put Cano on the block in the off-season and see what kind of offers they get. They don’t have to trade him if the offer isn’t right. Besides maybe if he hears the rumors, it may wake him up.

  609. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    “Unless you are Billy Beane, then you would see the true value of trading him to fill your deficiencies and letting the “so called chips” fall where they may.”

    And we see how well Billy’s tactics have turned out. When was the last time OAK even sniffed the postseason?

  610. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    “As much as the Jets get thier pub, it’s amazing I mean if we’re talking about recieveing cores how about my Giants ?

    Sinorice Moss (the speed reciever)
    Steve Smith (possesion/speed)
    Plax (throw it he gets)
    Toomer (possesion vet)
    Dominek Hixon (you saw him on Monday Night)
    Mario Manningham (wait till you see this kid grow)”

    Very deep indeed. However only 2-3 of them can be on the field at one point, you gotta wonder which guys will really stick.

  611. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Well, Joe from LI, I can remember Jeter giving Rodriguez the same look when Rodriguez was set to catch a popup about 10 feet from third and Jeter bumped into him and the ball was dropped. Nobody dares question anybody when he makes a throw on an easy out and it ends up in the stands.

  612. G. Love September 1st, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Joe From Long Island – great minds think alike i.e. Kelly.

  613. joe m September 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    You Jet fans need to get a life Does 1969 ring a bell

  614. Joe from Long Island September 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Joel Sherman, in his book “Birth of a Dynasty”, recounts how Roberto Kelly would drive Gene Michael, then GM, crazy by taking weeks off at a time, not seeming to play hard or care. We saw what happened then. Could Robbie Cano be this generation’s Roberto Kelly?

  615. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Humberto Sanchez’s hammer

  616. Showalter '09 September 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Funny how everyone is trying to discredit Heyman. Have you guys red his columns in recent years? He is not the type to make stuff up and instigate. He isin’t in the Madden-Lupica-Sherman brigade.

    He is not a baseball analysis guy like Verducci, Gammons, Sherman, Stark, etc. he is a business guy. He deals with execs, higher-ups, scouts etc. and is very good at retrieving information and investigating.

    Why do people find it so hard to believe that Cano’s teammates are annoyed at him?

  617. Matt - NYY fan in Boston September 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Gagne just blew a lead for Milwaukee; 3-2 Mets (Delgado 2-run homer)

  618. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    “I think that the Yanks should put Cano on the block in the off-season and see what kind of offers they get. ”

    Fran, I think the Yankees were already getting calls for Cano, particularly this past off season. It will be interesting to see if the rest of the league has soured on him like some of these Yankees fans have.

  619. Doreen (♫NotDeadYet♫) September 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    SJ44 –

    I would just say, these are not quite yet meaningless games. It’s true that in all probability, there will be no last-minute reprieve for this team. But they haven’t been eliminated and they are within striking distance still. Yes, it would be against the odds, and I know I sound like a cockeyed optimist, but I think there are many players on this team for whom these games still have a great deal of meaning. Don’t let’s jump the gun on this, but worse don’t let’s diminish whatever effort is still being given by those certain players.

  620. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    “How do you evaluate a player. One good week or what that player does over the course of the season?”

    I usually evaluate a player based on what they’ve done their entire career.

    “Have we seen effort from Cano from Game 1 to Game 137? Have we seen results? No on both counts.”

    How do you visualize effort? Hitting lots of home runs? Hitting for a high average? Diving at every ball that comes near you? What’s “seeing effort” from Cano? Running into the stands?

    “Over the course of the year, every player has a hot week or two. Success in the game is based on consistency.”

    Like .342, .306, .297 over three seasons consistency?

    “The Yankees for example, have been consistently inconsistent all year. Absent one 8 game winning streak, they have been basically a .500 team all year. That makes them a non-playoff team.”

    I would tend to agree with you there, but the only thing that makes a playoff team is what the standings say at the end of the year.

    “Same thing with players. When a guy has been consistently below average all season, he is having a below average year.”

    OK, you said it yourself, a below average season. This isn’t Cano’s average…

    “When his effort level is questioned by his own teammates, that’s a problem.”

    I can’t see how people can go by those quotes. Autonomously calling someone out is what we like to call gutless and weak. They are from two “yankees”. That can be Ian Kennedy and someone else. You don’t know. You don’t even know if the quotes were actually said.

    “Forget what I have to say about Cano. Its meaningless in the big picture. Don’t you find it troubling that some of his own teammates feel the same way about him?”

    How do I know they are his teammates? There’s plenty of Yankees who are no longer on the team, Ian Kennedy, Hughes, Farnsworth, Sexson, Ensberg, do I need to go on? That’s if you even believe the quotes actually came out of someones mouth.

    “Since those guys are together for 162 games over 180 days, don’t you think they have a better read on the situation than you or I?”

    Who? The two cowards who call people out anonymously? They show less than Cano. Calling out your teammates to some reporter behind their backs? That shows a read on the situation?

  621. Joe from Long Island September 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Sorry for the double post, my laptop is giving me trouble.

  622. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Man, DET must really be desperate if they picked up Fossum off of the TB scrapheap.

  623. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Gagne just blew a lead for Milwaukee; 3-2 Mets (Delgado 2-run homer)

    Will they ever learn ??

  624. AZ Four September 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Brandon – The offense has a chance to be explosive, even without Shockey.

    Hixon and Manningham looked awesome in the pre-season. If we design more plays to air it out, we can have something special. Burress seems motivated too and Smith is here for a full year. The key is not getting conservative like we did a lot last year.

  625. YankeeJosh September 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Joe and G Love. Great minds think alike. The Roberto Kelly for O’Neill trade is exactly what I had in mind too when thinking about Cano.

  626. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    “Why do people find it so hard to believe that Cano’s teammates are annoyed at him?”

    Because you would think most people who play for the team who’s motto was “pride, power, pinstripes” would uphold the “pride” and not call out teammates anonymously behind their backs and to a newspaper reporter. Again, you don’t even know if the two players, if in fact they even exist, are still on the team.

  627. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    “Why do people find it so hard to believe that Cano’s teammates are annoyed at him?”

    I don’t doubt that at all. I just don’t like anonymous source posts. My feeling is if you are going to talk trash about someone, have the balls to put your name behind it. Sheffield may be a first class jerk (actually, he IS a first class jer!), but he stands by his words. He’s no coward.

  628. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Oh, Jesus…now we’re quoting an idiot like Joel Sherman on player ability and who’s dogging it? Who’s next? Let’s get Mike Lupica’s opinion. He’s another malignant dwarf.

  629. Dave D September 1st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Gagne is the Brewers’ SU man and Soloman Torres is their closer.

    Not winning a championship with that. Maybe they can bring in CC to pitch the 8th-9th inning on days he doesn’t start.

  630. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Gagne is pitching like he’s in the Mets bullpen. LOL!

  631. I Can't Think For Myself September 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    “Just because people are in denial, doesn’t mean the writers have a conspiracy against the Yankees.”

    Vin-
    I believe that the umps meet in Monument Park with the writers before each game to plan this conspiracy. I know that the umps are crooked because the posters on this board have made it obvious to me.

  632. Fran September 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Wow, a Chris Britton sighting.

  633. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    “You Jet fans need to get a life Does 1969 ring a bell”

    Yes and so does 2000(Yanks) and 1973(Knicks). I support all of my favorite teams. Being a fan is not all about rings its about being supportive and watching history as it unfolds on the field. I’m sorry that not everyone can be a bandwagon Giants fan.

  634. Fran September 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Al – I’m with you. Have been a Jet fan through the good and the bad. When you’re a true fan you support your team no matter what.

  635. Mike NYY- The Chuck Knoblog September 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Cano can make these idiotic mistakes that make everyone want to trade him. However, an inning later he`ll make plays that make you want to move him to shortstop.

    I think it would be a mistake to trade Cano right now. His value is at an all-time low. He`s shown he has potential.

  636. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    The Roberto Kelly comparison is spot on re: Cano.

    DFox,

    You think Ian Kennedy is Jon Heyman’s “source”?

    The player who talked to Heyman has been one of the players in Cano’s ear all season about his lack of effort.

    He’s far from a coward. Next to Jeter and Rivera, he’s one of the most respected players on the team.

    Josh,

    You are making my point re: Cano.

    The Yankees have a ton of holes to fill this year. If trading Cano fills two of those holes, its a trade that has to be made.

    You can find second basemen. However, remaking this team is going to take finding a lot of players.

    In the mosaic that is team building its not about stats. Its about finding guys that together make for an effective team.

    Sometimes, you do that by moving a guy that brings back multiple assets in return. That allows you to use your money and assets more effectively.

  637. I Can't Think For Myself September 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    DFOX – count me among those who believe that the writers are ganging up on those in Pinstripes! Of course, I also believe that the whole “man on the moon” scenario was done in a movie studio.

    ….and OJ was framed!

  638. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Who gets today’s win? Edwar?

  639. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Ok, mel, just for you I’m going to the ignore all the fish swimming around the barrel, just begging to be shot.

  640. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    “Gagne just blew a lead for Milwaukee; 3-2 Mets (Delgado 2-run homer)

    Will they ever learn ??”

    I’m glad that Boston got the shaft with that deal last year. Gabbard and Murphy might actually turn into decent players and Gagne is well Gag-ne.

  641. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    “He’s far from a coward. Next to Jeter and Rivera, he’s one of the most respected players on the team.”

    He’s respected and he’s talking trash about a teammate to the press?

    He’s not respected by me.

  642. Mike NYY- The Chuck Knoblog September 1st, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    SJ, how are the Yankees going to fill two holes by trading Cano? What do you think they`ll get for him?

  643. Doreen (♫NotDeadYet♫) September 1st, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    I just want to respond to one thing that was said earlier. These games are not yet meaningless. They are not eliminated and believe it or not they are within striking distance of the Wildcard. Is it likely? Nah. But it is not yet impossible. The only reason I quibble with this is because there are players on the Yankees who are still playing as if the games have great deal of meaning and to suggest otherwise is just not right.

  644. ‪ September 1st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    And “Have you seen my baseball?” safely finishes the game for the Yanks!

  645. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Nice job Yankees!

    Onward and upward. As Singleton said, it doesn’t have to be pretty, it just has to be a win.

    Later y’all.

  646. AZ Four September 1st, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Did Girardi actually just go a whole game without using Veras? I’m stunned!

  647. Laura - Standing by A-Rod because at this point, someone has to! September 1st, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    See you guys tomorrow!

  648. DFox September 1st, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    “He’s far from a coward. Next to Jeter and Rivera, he’s one of the most respected players on the team.”

    You have no idea who he is. Stop pretending, please. A good reason for an anonymous quote is to hide the identity of a lesser influential person to make people perceive that it’s someone else. Second, if this guy is so respected, I doubt he would really care what Cano thinks of him. What, he’s scared of the big bad Robinson Cano? I thought they have no respect for Cano, why would they care if he didn’t like them? You can’t have it both ways…

  649. Fran September 1st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Glad the Yankees won. See you all tomorrow.

  650. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    SJ44, Its laughable to compare Mauer to Cano. Mauer is a better player.

    Ok, again, I am NOT COMPARING THE TWO… Jesus F’ing Christ. I am saying that they have similar hitting styles.

    SERIOUSLY, CAN NO ONE READ OR ARE ALL YOU ALL TAKING NOTES FROM FOX NEWS ON HOW TO SPIN CRAP.

    So just to be clear to all of you, I am not comparing Cano to Mauer. I am saying both players are considered BA type of hitters – other has already said cano will win many more batting titles – but both produce little more offensively in terms of RBI”s, HR’s.

    THEN, I am saying that Mauer’s lack of big power numbers are not a factor like they are with Cano BECAUSE he plays defense, is a better base runner, and does more with his outs than Cano.

    THUS, Cano’s overall value to the Yankees is NOT worth NOT looking into a trade because HE does NOT bring the same overall value to the team as Mauer does to the Twins – BECAUSE OF HIS DEFENSE AND OTHER SKILLS.

    I can send anyone crayola’s and paper if the above is still not clear.

  651. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Brandon – The offense has a chance to be explosive, even without Shockey.

    Absolutely because now he’s not the focus, it’s going to be more spread out, RB and how about this a TE that actually can catch the ball.

    Hixon and Manningham looked awesome in the pre-season. If we design more plays to air it out, we can have something special.

    If you saw Manningham’s debut his first catch was amazing, the next game in traffic to the left sideline he poked a ball from mid air caught and got a gain out of it. Hixon is dangerous he has worked harder than any other reciever on this core.

    Burress seems motivated too and Smith is here for a full year. The key is not getting conservative like we did a lot last year.

    Aslong as Plax keeps the paycheck issues to the offseason I’m good w/ him. Jerry Reese also purposely didn’t play recently acquired Marcus Monk to sneak him through the practice squad. He has high upside and is a physical freak.

  652. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    The Mets BP reserves >> Gagme

  653. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    IPK watched the entire game on TV down in Scranton heres what he had to say:

    “I thought we played well today and the pitching looked good. 9 runs should not be insurmountable for our offense, some balls just found some holes and some pitches got called balls when they weren’t. However this win would be better if I was there, cuz we all know I should be they made a big mistake and I’m gonna show them how stupid they were!”

  654. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    Actually, I do DFox.

    Sorry to disappoint you about your theories but, they are all wrong.

    That quote gives you the idea of the level of frustration guys on this team have toward Cano this year.

    Since they are around each other all the time, and we aren’t, I tend to listen and believe what they say over a fan who has very little experience dealing with professional athletes.

    Let me tell you something about players. Most of them speak VERY freely to the media when they don’t have to see their names in print.

    Pete could probably write a book about on the record (but anonymously sourced) and off the record conversations with players over the years of covering the sport.

    There are times guys will go on the record with things and times they don’t.

    Two years ago, plenty of Yankees, including Joe Torre, went on the record in Tom Verducci’s story about Arod for SI. A lot of what was written wasn’t pretty. Most of it was worse than ANYTHING that has been said publicly about Cano.

  655. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    And we see how well Billy’s tactics have turned out. When was the last time OAK even sniffed the postseason?

    three yrs ago. What could Billy do with the Yankees? Far better than Cashman, perhaps.

    Point is, with less money, less big names, less overall talent, he has kept his farm system stocked and the A’s competitive with less. Does more with less. Exactly where the Yankees need to be.

    Trade Cano.

  656. YankeeJosh September 1st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    It’s really easy to say not to trade Cano when it’s “Cano for player to be named later.” Until or unless a trade happens, we won’t know if it’s good or bad. Trading Cano for fading veterans like Barry Zito would obviously be bad. But if the Yankees can get a good centerfielder for him, plus maybe something else, it could be the spark that redefines the team. Of course, that might not be out there, and then you hold on to Cano.

    The point is that Cano seems to be like more of a “stats” player than a contributer to a winner, so if yyou can use his value to get team guys, it can help remake the team. If Cano nets you an athletic centerfielder, the Yanks can defer the money coming off the books to getting CC and Tex, or they could get a first baseman and pass on Tex.

  657. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    pana….

    My Mauer v. Cano post was not directed toward you. Sorry if it was written that way.

  658. rconn23 September 1st, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    “Because you call someone “garbage” doesn’t mean that the person is. I don’t remember you being a very “positive” person on the occasions you have hung around long enough to post though so your condemnation of anything Yankee never surprises me.”]

    So here’s the deal Trisha…
    Ponson is not a good guy. Just because he pitches for the team you like doesn’t make him a good guy. He has assaulted a judge, has multiple DUIs and his last team dropped him because he was a cancer.

    And as a pitcher he stinks. It’s really that simple. The numbers say it all.

    The Yankees dropped him two years ago because he stunk up the joint.

  659. Fred September 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Cano has to hit .340 to be a viable player because he doesn’t walk and his OBP is terrible.

  660. Joe from Long Island September 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    GB – You have to let your emotions out. What do you really think about Sherman and Lupica?

    (I’m kidding you.)

  661. SJ44 September 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Give Billy Beane a 200 million dollar payroll, the ability to go over slot on whichever draft picks you want, and an unlimited budget in the Latin American Free Agent Market.

    After you do, let’s see how he does.s

    I would venture a guess to say he would be considered the greatest GM in sports if he had what Cash has to work with in NY.

    NY and Oakland are not created equal.

    Nobody in the game is as good a GM as Billy Beane. Nobody does more with less.

    I’ve always wondered what it would be like if he ever had a real budget to work with.

    Even absent a big budget, who signed Inoa this year, while spending 1/3 of the time the Yankees did recruiting him?

    Billy Beane.

  662. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    “The Mets BP reserves >> Gagme”

    Paul quantrill signed off his couch >> Gagne.

  663. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    It’s not all that difficult to have high powered drafts and young players like Oakland. The minute that they start making any money they let them go as FA or trade for cheaper, younger players. Beane’s job is to collect the welfare checks for the Oakland owners. That’s why Oakland won’t win beyond a once in a while appearance in the PS. Tampa had the 1 or 2 draft pick for 11 years. This year, they got lucky, and, by next year, they’ll be back to looking up. These young players will want money, the owners won’t pay and fans still won’t show up.

  664. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    SJ44… Nor mine at you, i went back and read. Realized that I fell into the same mode as most, misreading and making assumptions. Apologies.

  665. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    John Franco off his couch >> Gagme

  666. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    “What do you really think about Sherman and Lupica?”

    Dumb, and dumber.

  667. Fred September 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Cano should be traded this off season. If they can get a Cain or Billinglsey or Kemp for him it has to be done.

    They can go out and sign Hudson to play 2b like Sherman suggested yesterday in the Post.

    Cano is the 8th hitter in the lineup. To get a front line pitcher for him and replace him with a Gold Glover has to be done.

  668. ohhh mo its cano! September 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    we are still talkin about trading cano? I have said it once and ill say it again.. he aint goin nowhere. and thats find by me….i have not looked but he has gota be in the top five at 2nd hes just gota. We are so spoiled cant u see!

  669. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Paul quantrill signed off his couch >> Gagne.

    Al Leiter from the booth >> Gagme

  670. mel September 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Not fair bringing up Inoa. Who reneged on the Yankees. Maybe Inoa went to Oakland because the Yankees refused to chase him around with a blank check? Pass on that kind of guy.

  671. MIkeG September 1st, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    The only way I’d consider trading Cano is in a package that will fill specific holes in the team and make them a sure contender next year. Aaron Rowland and Matt Cain are two players that would fit in those spots-I’d give up Cano, Cabrera, and one or two young pitchers (Hughes, Kennedy, maybe a lesser name) to get both of them. Cain is 23 and a proven big league starter, Rowland is perfect for the Yankess-great glove, good arm, occasional power, and hits for a decent average.

  672. Yankee Trader September 1st, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Menu List for offseason;

    Offer arbitration to FA’s Abreu and possibly Mussina.

    Say goodbye to FA’s Giambi,Pettitte, I-Rod,Pavano. Maybe Pettitte would be interested in a 1/2 year deal ala Clemens.

    Don’t pick up 6M club option on Marte-8M for 2 years-maybe.

    Get two FA starters: Go for CC-Dempster-maybe Burnett if opts out- big maybe for Penny if not offered club option.

    If you get CC and Dempster the rotation is
    Sabathia
    Chamberlain
    Wang
    Dempster
    Mussina

    Now you can trade some of the depth you have in pitching for young athletic position players.

    Look at trade options for Matsui, Cano and possibly Damon.

    If Jeter willing to play another position, and Furcal is OK consider him at SS.

    Consider looking to trade for Garrett Atkins to play 1st.

  673. ohhh mo its cano! September 1st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    i must pressed the wrong link..this must be where all the gms with 10 sum odd yrs of experience blog srry guys.

  674. Fred September 1st, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Beane or Cashman? Is that a joke too?

    In 8 years Cashman hasn’t built a bench, a farm system or anything. He hasn’t imported a decent starting pitcher. He hasn’t imported any young position player.

    Give Beane the Yankees resources and we’d be building monuments to him in a decade.

  675. A-Rod sucks, Girardi blows. September 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    “Sorry to disappoint you about your theories but, they are all wrong.”

    If you didn’t know better you might have thought it was God talking.

  676. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Luis Ayala = The Mariano Rivera of the NL East

  677. panayioti September 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    I would venture a guess to say he would be considered the greatest GM in sports if he had what Cash has to work with in NY.

    EXACTLY!!!!!

    With the Yankee resources and Billy Beane, think of how good Trenton and Scranton would be.

    You would definitely not see the likes of Ponson, Rasner, Edwar, Jose Veras, to name a few.

  678. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Joe From LI, I’ve never minced words when it comes to idiocy. I learned years ago to figure out idiots from those who just don’t know, whether it was from writing or face to face talks. that was my job. I’ve only been wrong a couple of times, so, I’ll stick to my judgement. I have no use for idiots, in whatever form or profession. If I can teach what I know, I have all the patience in the world with people.

  679. zellyanks91 September 1st, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Now let’s hope that the Red Sox lose tonight, and the Yankees can move to 6GB out of the Wild Card.

    Kevin

  680. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Beltran has a out w/ a right knee contusion (the ump knee’d him)

  681. mel September 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Go grab Dombroski, Shapiro, and the Tampa GM, too. Have enough crappy seasons and you’ll get the picks of the litters year after year.

    Cashman’s not perfect or even the best, but he’s done a good job. Not great, not perfect but nobody is. Not even Theo or Billy.

  682. Dan L in nj September 1st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    SJ,

    If they trade Cano would Jeter be a better defensive player as 2b instead of SS going forward?

  683. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    “John Franco off his couch >> Gagme”

    I could continue this but I wont because it could in theory never end. Oh well one for the road.

    Al Leiter signed out of the booth >> Gagne.

  684. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Postgame comments: Girardi believed that Ponson getting hit on the hand affected his performance. But they hope it’s okay in time for his next start (paraphrase).

    Then a voice that sounded like Pete asked Girardi if Ponson was going to make his next start.

    :lol:

    Did that reporter think that his asking the question was going to make Girardi stop and think that maybe he shouldn’t pitch???

    :D

  685. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    “Menu List for offseason;

    Offer arbitration to FA’s Abreu and possibly Mussina.

    Say goodbye to FA’s Giambi,Pettitte, I-Rod,Pavano. Maybe Pettitte would be interested in a 1/2 year deal ala Clemens.

    Don’t pick up 6M club option on Marte-8M for 2 years-maybe.

    Get two FA starters: Go for CC-Dempster-maybe Burnett if opts out- big maybe for Penny if not offered club option.

    If you get CC and Dempster the rotation is
    Sabathia
    Chamberlain
    Wang
    Dempster
    Mussina

    Now you can trade some of the depth you have in pitching for young athletic position players.

    Look at trade options for Matsui, Cano and possibly Damon.

    If Jeter willing to play another position, and Furcal is OK consider him at SS.

    Consider looking to trade for Garrett Atkins to play 1st.”

    Good ideas is Dempster really an FA? One would think the Cubbies would make him a top priority.

  686. Yankee Trader September 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Cashman didn’t sign Giambi-George wanted him. Could have had David Ortiz instead.

    Sheffield was George’s pick-Might have been able to sign Vlad instead.

    Offering 10 years and bidding against yourself for A-Rod, IMO was also a Steinbrenner signing.

    Cashman, unless he doesn’t want to come back, is not going anywhere, and Beane does not want to come to NY.

  687. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    ““John Franco off his couch >> Gagme”

    I could continue this but I wont because it could in theory never end. Oh well one for the road.

    Al Leiter signed out of the booth >> Gagne.”

    Sorry about the Leiter thing you got to it first.

  688. trisha - I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Oh yeah, nice of Pete to be gallant enough in his comments to even mention the possibility that Ponson getting hit on the hand may have made any difference in his SUDDEN pitching demise!

  689. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Phil Coke gives a good interview.

  690. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    “Cashman didn’t sign Giambi-George wanted him. Could have had David Ortiz instead.”

    Not a very fair point. Giambi was coming off an MVP season. Ortiz wasn’t very good before he came to beantown.

  691. BBFan September 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    “Then a voice that sounded like Pete asked Girardi if Ponson was going to make his next start.

    Did that reporter think that his asking the question was going to make Girardi stop and think that maybe he shouldn’t pitch???”

    Well, you will see later Pete complaining that Girardi lied :)

  692. Vader September 1st, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    SJ, what would it take for him to come to NY and would he want a challenge of the New York Yankees?

  693. Yankee Trader September 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Al from BK

    Dempster[31] is a FA, but with the pitching depth they have and since Wood is FA, they might not resign Dempster.

  694. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Special credit to the blondes doing the Mike Gonzalez wiggle

  695. BBFan September 1st, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    Whether Yanks are in contention or not, they should serioulsy consider replacing Sidney in the rotation. May be Aceves.

  696. AZ Four September 1st, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    lol I’m happy for Coke he looked so excited. You always enjoy seeing the reaction of those 25+ guys finally making their debut.

    What a world-wind month for him. He was a guy who was kind of a filler player for years and was kind of stagnant, then he has a break out season this year in AA and gets traded to Pittsburgh. Then he gets pulled out of the trade and instead promoted to AAA and moved to the pen. Now 2 weeks later, he is pitching to Granderson-Ordonez-Cabrera in his the 7th inning of a tight game for the Yankees.

  697. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Trisha, despite your admirable support of Ponson since he’s been here and the fact that at times her did well and helped NYY, I’ll be happy when NYY doesn’t need to depend on the Ponsons, Rasners and Karstens of the pitching world. This year, they became a necessary evil. No offense to you and your unflagging support.

  698. Johnny D September 1st, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    At least Ponson didn’t blame the hand.

  699. AJ YANKS September 1st, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Isin’t Dempster the type of guy to stay away from? Wrong side of 30, NL pitcher, career year.

  700. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    “Al from BK

    Dempster[31] is a FA, but with the pitching depth they have and since Wood is FA, they might not resign Dempster.”

    Dempster is pretty good, nice K numbers and the slim ERA. However his numbers previous to this year were pretty vanilla. Anytime you sign a guy out of the “diet league” otherwise known as the NL, his stuff and numbers may not translate.

  701. G. Love September 1st, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Actually, I believe the story is George wanted BOTH Ortiz and Giambi and Cashman told him you can’t have both since they play the same position and they went with Giambi.

    George was smitten with Ortiz and he was on his map when the Twins released him.

    If George overruled Cashman in this instance and didn’t defer to him, who knows what would have happened.

  702. Forntoso September 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    Ponson is a man, he didn’t make excuses.

    If that was Ian Kennedy who had that kind of outing today, he would have blamed the Detroit fans and pressure of NY and admit that he didn’t pitch badly and took a lot of positives from the outing.

  703. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Chris Garcia

    How does he get hurt w/ this motion ?

  704. AZ Four September 1st, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Why doesn’t Tropicana Field have the hot chicks that Dolphin Stadium has?

  705. stuart September 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    today was a classic Cano game. a couple of great grea tfielding play then he does not put his glove all the way down and turns a DP into a 4 run inning..

    Robinson Cano is not on the same planet compared to Mauer… Mauer is a much much better player and to think differently you must be blind.

    any win is a good win, Ponson sucks let’s be realistic.

    Edwar could not get his change over and when that happens he stinks…

  706. mel September 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Johnny,

    Did Ponson blame Cano? Or did Girardi do the honors?

    Just kidding, Pete!

  707. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    If we’d signed Ortiz he would have been on the cover of the Mitchell Report.

  708. Dave D September 1st, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Brandon

    Nardi said in an interview a few weeks ago that he uses Garcia’s mechanics/motion as his model for all young pitchers because they are so clean and refined. In that regard, he is very advanced.

    Garcia’s problem has always been health and work ethic. Now that he appears to have cleared those hurdles, he is going to fly through the system. He is still only 22 so he is right where he should be age-wise despite having TJs.

  709. Tank September 1st, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Could Coke be our Sean Henn?

  710. mel September 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Nick,

    Actually, he would’ve been in the centerfold sipping on protein shakes out of coconut shells. ewww.

  711. Nick in SF September 1st, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Interested Reader, thanks for climbing down from Mount Olympus to grace us with your insights. If only we morons could understant them!

  712. Mark (Brett is back) September 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Could Coke be our Sean Henn?

    God I hope not.

  713. Brandon (Alex FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get rid of that number on your back)..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Could Coke be our Sean Henn?

    Hope not, Sean Henn sucked.

  714. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Yes, Interested “sofa scout”, because you add so much to any discussion.

  715. luis September 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    i know this has nothing to do with the yankees, but can u believe this…”Bengals receiver Chad Johnson has legally changed his name to Chad Ocho Cinco” ROFL

  716. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    “Chris Garcia

    How does he get hurt w/ this motion ?”

    Looks real smooth. A lot to be excited about prospect-wise going into next year.

  717. Al from BK(Brett Favre and the NY JETS this Sunday!) September 1st, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    “Interested Reader, thanks for climbing down from Mount Olympus to grace us with your insights. If only we morons could understant them!”

    I lol’d.

  718. Sea Net September 1st, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Lots to be excited about this winter.

    Favre, SB champs, and many of our top prospects in winterball (Sanchez, Garcia, Brackman, Jackson, Bleich etc.) and hopefully a very active off-season.

    And let’s not forget D’Antoni and the Knicks!!!!

  719. GreenBeret7 September 1st, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    NYY needs to mke a deal with the Dodgers, because Jeff Kent will have knee surgery tomorrow, but, it needs to be a Nick Green or Cody Ransom type fill-in. They aren’t likely to try making it a block buster for a Cano type because Cano wouldn’t be available in post season without a waiver request to replace Kent with Cano and Cano would never get through waivers in the first place.

  720. bodhisattva September 1st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    SJ

    “Forget what I have to say about Cano. Its meaningless in the big picture.”

    Consider what you have to say about Cano to be forgotten :)

  721. bru September 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    pete:
    make up you’re mind,bruney all messed up or fine work?

  722. bru September 1st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    it makes no sense to keep pitching ponson or rasner.

    the season is over,he won’t be back and we need to get the kids pitching to see what we have and to increase trade values.

  723. bru September 1st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    how did coke look today?

  724. bodhisattva September 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Just for the record:

    I was a sportswriter for 10 years: I covered the NFL, the NHL, and edited the baseball desk for an international wire service, as well as work at two newspapers, one of them a major in a big city.

    Therefore, I have plenty of experience talking w/players “off the record” and anonymously. SJ44 is trying to pull rank on people who have not been on either side of the sportswriter/athlete relationship first-hand. One thing I can tell you: players who anonymously call out a teammate always have an agenda. The Yankees have a lot of underachieving, aging veterans, some of whom won’t be re-signed. Cano is 25, and locked up.

    Even if the player is being sincere, it is the context that is automatically suspicious – he is confiding it to a reporter for a reason: he wants it printed, and he knows it will be printed. Trisha, of course it is entirely possible – likely?? – that the unnamed player is envious of Cano’s position. How dumb do you think people are, SJ44? They’re all going to put their tails between their legs and scurry off in shame because an unnamed “player” knocked Cano??

    As for SJ44 knocking Cano’s fluidity as a poor excuse for lack of hustle, I’m betting, with all of your wannabe connections and interactions, you are a learned pontificator but the notion of physical talent eludes you – for all your rhetoric, you don’t seem to know how to recognize it. And, I’d bet my bottom dollar that you were a not-good-enough player who didn’t have that “smoothness” you stupidly mock, because every time you raise the subject of Cano in the name of rationality, the bile drips all over the commentary.

    We don’t all have to all dive and cause a cloud of dirt to reflect effort. That is the worst kind of cliched thinking there is,

    Whether the Yankees do or don’t move Cano, whether he fulfills his potential by winning gold gloves and batting titles, or helps the team win a championship, or does not – you are the runaway champion of the most hackneyed kind of spin. The most cliched kind of “thinking.”

  725. bru September 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    how did coke look?

  726. bru September 1st, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    bodhisattva:
    what in the world did you say?

  727. bruce September 1st, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    bodhisattva:

    what in the world did you just say?

  728. xxx September 2nd, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    yea X MAN!

  729. Ariel September 2nd, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Peter, you ask “how is a team with Aybar, Hinske, Bartlett, Gross and Riggans as their final five hitters in first place by five games?”. Actually, it’s quite simple. When they do hit, it’s timely. They’re not the pile on type of hitters, “cherry on top”, “icing on the cake” etc, as our guys are….with 5 or so .300 hitters in the lineup virtually none of whom know what the word “clutch” means. The contrast underscores the necessity of looking beyond the numbers.

    Also, no lollygaggers…Upton did it, paid the price when Madden benched him, apologized, and then returned. One wonders why Girardi, who we thought would be tough, supports these guys with really silly comments when he should come down on them….Cano, obviously, desperately needs Bowa, or a Bowa type to keep him in line.

    As a “throw a-way”, and as much as it may be difficulty for many to digest, as the days move on, the likelihood of Manny wearing pinstripes next year increases exponentially.

  730. Ariel September 2nd, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    As an addendum, Abreu is absolutely horrible in the field, as I watch him stumble after ball down the line like a 45 year old man. Hit he certainly can, but if you drill down beyond the numbers, it’s an open question whether he loses more games with his wall-phobic and related foibles than his superficial RISP numbers. Look beyond the numbers.


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