Game 138: Yankees at Rays
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- September
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YANKEES (73-64)
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady LF
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Molina C
Mussina RHP
RAYS (84-51)
Iwamura 2B
Upton CF
Pena 1B
Floyd DH
Aybar 3B
Hinske LF
Bartlett SS
Gross RF
Riggans C
Garza RHP
Mike Mussina (16-7, 3.41) vs. the Toronto hitters.
Matt Garza (11-7, 3.53) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees are 7-5 against the Rays this season and 29-28 against teams in the AL East. … Yesterday’s win evened their road record at 33-33. … A little leftover weirdness from yesterday: Of the 17 hits, 16 were singles. … Mussina is four wins short of winning 20 for the first time. If he goes every five days he would get five more starts after this.
THE QUEST FOR 82: The Yankees need to go 9-16 to finish with 82 victories and a winning record. It’s not a lock given their schedule:
@ Tampa (3)
@ Seattle (3)
@ Los Angeles (3)
Tampa (3)
Chicago (4)
Baltimore (3)
@ Toronto (3)
@ Boston (3)
That’s 16 games against legit playoff contenders and six against teams (Toronto and Baltimore) who have played the Yankees tough this season.
CHASING SCHMIDT: A-Rod needs one HR to catch Mike Schmidt for 12th place all-time with 548. But he is a career .247 hitters at Tropicana Field with 16 HRs.
ON A ROLL: Mariano Rivera’s last six games: 8.2 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 1 walk, 7 strikeouts. 98 pitches/62 strikes.
HERE IT COMES AND THERE IT GOES: Edwar Ramirez has allowed 13 homers in 72.1 innings in his career.
WHO’S HOT: Johnny Damon and Bobby Abreu are each 8 of their last 17.
THE YANKEE PIRATES: Ross Ohlendorf is scheduled to start for Pittsburgh tomorrow night. Jose Tabata in 22 games for Erie: .348/.402/.562. Three homers and 13 RBI.
Back later with some updates.
UPDATE, 5:56 p.m.: Joba Chamberlain and Dan Giese were activated today. … Tampa Bay activated Troy Percival.
UPDATE, 6:13 p.m.: Brian Cashman was over at Steinbrenner Field today and spoke to Hank, Hal, Jennifer and Felix Lopez, among others. There was no formal meeting and the subject of his contract did not come up.
UPDATE, 6:25 p.m.: Joe Girardi was asked about Sidney Ponson staying in the rotation. Here was his response:
“Right now our rotation is what it is. We haven’t talked about any changes.
“He’s done it before. Obviously he didn’t have the sink yesterday that he’s necessarily has had. We need to get that back. You go to work in the bullpen and see if you can straighten things out.”
What about using Aceves or Hughes?
“We’re talking about sending a rookie possibly out there who doesn’t have a lot of starts in the big leagues. It’s not like we have Cy Young, Steve Carlton, you know, waiting in the wings. If we did make a change, you’re talking about youth. They don’t have the experience.”
Ponson is 0-3, 8.75 in his last five starts.
UPDATE, 6:28 p.m.: Shameless plug: I’m going to be on ESPN News around 6:45 p.m.
UPDATE, 7:37 p.m.: Great catch there by Upton. Meanwhile, how is a team with Aybar, Hinske, Bartlett, Gross and Riggans as their final five hitters in first place by five games?
UPDATE, 7:42 p.m.: Terrible job by Hinske, who never looked at the third base coach, Tom Foley. Of course Aybar should have been sent to the plate in the first place on Damon’s arm.
UPDATE, 8:21 p.m.: I don’t know if Jeter did that on purpose, but that little hesitation seemed to screw up Bartlett.
UPDATE, 8:30 p.m.: Holy smoke, Nady hit the catwalk. This is first game at the Trop, too. 3-1 Yankees.
Giambi now has 13 RBI in his last 10 games and leads the team with 86 this season. Nady has nine dingers for the Yankees and 22 for the season. He has 27 RBI for the Yankees and 84 overall. Great season for him.
UPDATE, 8:53 p.m.: 5-1 Yankees as Damon and Jeter drive in more runs. This would be a nice win for the pinstripes but Boston is clocking Baltimore.
UPDATE, 9:06 p.m.: We’ll have to find out later what happened. But Nady needs to call Jeter off and catch that ball.
UPDATE, 9:21 p.m.: Hal Steinbrenner is said to be here and Felix Lopez (Big Stein’s son-in-law) is for sure. But Hank Steinbrenner is nowhere to be found.
UPDATE, 9:31 p.m.: Were I a fan of the Yankees, this game would annoy me. Where was this kind of play all season when they needed it? They get 12 games down and then put the smack down on the Rays.
Great start by the Moose. He’s on his way to No. 17.
UPDATE, 9:43 p.m.: Lots of Yankees fans here and they were shouting “Moose” as Mussina walked off the mound.
There are also a lot of empty seats. Nice fan base here. The team is in first place, playing the Yankees and they can’t fill the place.
Joba warming up.
UPDATE, 9:51 p.m.: How did the Yankees go from not using Joba in the middle of innings last season to now using him in the middle of innings in his first appearance after a shoulder injury?
But, at any rate, here he is and in a big spot. For the record, he was out four weeks.
The just showed a fan on the scoreboard waving a sign that read, “Rays Rule, Yankees Drool.”
Incredibly, it was an adult. Must not be Mensa Night here at the Trop.
UPDATE, 9:57 p.m.: I would hope Joba stays in the game instead of bringing in fire-starting Edwar Ramirez or Jose Veras.
UPDATE, 9:59 p.m.: 21,629 here tonight and at least half of them are Yankees fans. How bad is that?
Meanwhile, A-Rod just tied Mike Schmidt for 12th all time with 548 homers.
And the Big G doubles for the first time since July 2. It’s all coming together for the Bombers.
UPDATE, 10:26 p.m.: Joba was hitting 95, which is what you wanted to see. Now Dan Giese gets to return in a low-pressure situation. More rest for Mo, who last pitched on Friday.
UPDATE, 10:33 p.m.: Yankees win, Moose wins, A-Rod homers, Joba pitches again. All is well.
Depending on the noise in the clubhouse, I’m going to try and get some Moose audio.
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that nady/marte trade isin’t looking so one-sided anymore. tabata is raking and smacking XBHs all over and stealing bases, and it was a mistake to trade him. i dont even care what the pitchers do, they were not apart of out future anyway. ohlendorf can be a very good late inning guy though. that was such a dumb trade though for a team that was not winning the WS this year anyway. nady/marte would not put us over the top.
“nady/marte would not put us over the top.”
it could of been if the rest of the team performed
The Tabata trade 5 years from now will be the Kazmir trade.
People laughing about it for years to come.
Tabata IS the next Manny.
mark007, 20/20 hidesight is great. where were you before? Get real, ok?
I have found this season to be a great dissapointment
Wasn’t this the type of short-sighted trade Cashman has been trying to stay away from?
Now they’re shooting for .500? Come on Pete!
how about getting with the program? Why don’t you jump on the team and come on in for the big win? (Name the Movie)
Hey that would be a good motto for the rest of the season.
The Strive For .5(Hundred That Is!)
At the beginning of the season who ever would have thought that the Yanks would be coming into this game struggling to get a playoff spot and the Rays in 1st place.
“Tabata IS the next Manny”
Such a definitive statement for a guy who is currently in AA
Can you give him a few years of top production first
the yanks will have far more then 9 more wins this season!
6 games to get four wins for Moose – it is the last thing worth rooting for this season besides the young’uns.
Go MOOSE!
Interesting article on Arod
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-arod083108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
to say that tabata is the next manny and that the trade was bad only shows the resentment people have for the yankees and/or the season they are having…time will only tell how bad the trade is or could be….cashman felt his team was making a push (which they were at the time) and wanted to add a piece…
Some people are so stupid. It’s a small sample for Tabata. He is still showing very little power.
need more role players on this team such as:
doug mientkeiwictz, alex cora, andy phillips, aaron guiel, dave roberts, greg zaun, nick punto, tony clark, david newhan, miguel cairo, jose valentine, mark loretta, ruben gotay, alberto gonzalez, daren erstad, greg dobbs, reggie wiltis, bubba crosby, marlon anderson, adam kennedy,
mike lamb, david eckstein etc.
if we want to win we need to add more players like this to the roster.
John McCain and Abel:
Can you copy and paste the article (can’t view yahoo at work)? Thanks!
tabata = the next manny…
thanks for the laugh. needed that today.
Passan is a long time Arod basher. Those onscure stats someone created should be taken with a grain of salt, his overall production can still not be questioned. It would be great had he come through with a few more timely hits this season, but his season has still helped the Yankees. Their problems go far beyond a guy hitting .300 with 30 home runs, let’s keep our sanity here.
Tabata is the next Manny? Wow…next thing you know we are going to have fans that think a guy hitting .300 with 30 home runs and good defense is hurting our team! Oh, wait…maybe Tabata IS the next Manny……
Passan is a jerk.
I like the pitching matchup and the lineup. Let’s give it one last go. Go Yankees!
From mlbtraderumors.com
“Yankees pitchers Andy Pettitte and Mike Mussina have Type A status (Mussina is on the borderline). It makes sense for the Yankees to offer arbitration to both.”
I don’t get the free agent valuation formula if the formula values Andy over Moose – how far back does it look?
TKinDC – i think i remember reading the last 2 seasons…
If Girardi hadn’t channeled Dusty Baker by leaving Marte in to throw 50+ pitches in 2+ innings against Texas, he would have looked much better. It is certainly an adjustment going from the NL Central to the Al East, but the manager can help a guy out a little. That was half of a starter’s workload on a career reliever, against Texas hitters in Arlington. No big shock that it ended with a game ending HR, and some time nursing the injury for Marte.
If these guys were 3 month rentals I would say the Yankees gave up too much, but they are both under contract for next year also, so it still looks good for the Yankees.
Where did Fatcessa get the idea that they would move Jeter to CF? It’s not a bad idea, but theres no way the Yankees do it.
Joe-
Good post.Tabata is the next Manny mentally.
Montero might be the next Manny physically, with talent.
How many Manny’s is enough!!
Pete-
“Edwar Ramirez has allowed 13 homers in 72.1 innings in his career,” and that’s without a fastball!! You could say the same about Farnsworth whose allowed 14 homers in only 52.2 innings just this year and can toss it in there in the high 90’s.
Tampa Rays
-I wonder how many come from behind wins they have this year. Their starting pitching ranks up there with the Angels, and missing their two best offensive threats hasn’t slowed them down, as every night it’s a different person/persons stepping up.It just goes to show you-playing for your payday motivates you along with good coaching, and long term contracts-allow players to rest on their laurels.
“I don’t get the free agent valuation formula if the formula values Andy over Moose – how far back does it look?”
Most recent 2 seasons. Recall that Moose SUCKED last year. He’s barely scratching out A status on the strength of his outstanding ‘08.
Yanks probably don’t gain much by offering arbitration to Pettitte. He’s not going to play for anyone else, so no draft pick compensation would be forthcoming.
Mussina is interesting. Yanks have to offer it to him. I think he’d likely accept and comeback for a year.
Pete, the hate for edwar gotta stop, did he diss you in the clubhouse? same with Girardi….
NOW…. Tabata is nothing, because he is gone, but before:
http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/top-30-prospects-3-jose-tabata/
http://yankeeprospects.blogspot.com/2006/12/prospect-profile-jose-tabata-2.html
http://www.nyyankeefans.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t23032.html
TK, Andy has been honored by the Yankees in stadium giveaway bobblehead form. I don’t think the Moose has. That tells you all you need to know.
As a Sox fan you guys have my support tonight! Beat those Rays so the Sox can win the division!
Thanks!
Fredo –
After Pettitte’s last start I said jokingly that Andy is trying to set up a comeback year like Moose has had this year by pitching horribly.
My concern with Andy is that something might be wrong with him physically and that he is simply pitching through it. If that is NOT the case – I don’t want him back. If he is limited physically, then I would want to know if he could return to form next year.
Nick –
I don’t hear you promoting Pettitte’s Pez Dispenser. Milk Chocolate is the highest form of flattery – just ask George Herman Ruth and Reginald Jackson.
“Jose Tabata in 22 games for Erie: .348/.402/.562. Three homers and 13 RBI.”
You guys are gonna regret that one BIG TIME.
yeah Tabata is the next Manny, maybe but get back to me when he plays in AA he is in A..
Ramirez is better then Kyle today…………..
I am happy with the marte and Nady acquisition.
Can I go totally off topic for a minute? I need your wisdom–well, that is from any of you who are into fantasy football. I have Carson Palmer and Eli Manning on one team. Who should I start? In other years I’d go with Palmer, no question, because he usually puts up big numbers. But I feel like there’s this weird, instability around the Bengals that makes me nervous. I wonder if Eli might be the safter choice. Any thoughts? (and then go back to your regularly scheduled baseball game)
Does anyone know what first round draft picks cant be taken if you sign an FA? I think it is any pick from 1-16 but I am not sure. I am hoping the Yankees fall low enough so that they can sign FA’s at will and not worry about losing our 1st round pick. Right now, we have the 10th best record in MLB. I think if we fall to the 15th best record we wouldnt lose our 1st round pick. Maybe somebody can give me accurate info. Thanks.
Bill from NJ, that article isn’t worth the minute it takes to read it. Just another hit piece by some writer who is jealous of A-Rod.
*safer*
I know, proofread before posting…
Alan, were you saying “the yankees got Nady AND Marte, for absolutly nothing?!?” shortly after that trade?
TKinDC
Status will compare all starters over the last two years 2007&2008, by rankings submitted by the Elias Sports bureau.
Type A is top 20%.
Type B is top 21-40%
Group 1:Outfielders, DH,1st B
Group 2: all other infielders
Group 3:Catchers
Group 4: SP
Group 5: Relievers
My understanding is for starters they look at:total games they appeared in,IP,Wins, Won-Loss%, ERA, Strikeouts.
If Pettitte is Type A offer it to him with the understanding he would decline, so we get two draft picks. He would probably retire and we could always sign him for 1/2 contract ala Clemens. Players have been willing to decline arbitration if they want to retire or opt for FA. That’s the least he can do to justify the 16M we spent on him the each of the last two years.
No I never said that.
I think it was a decent deal for a team going for it, but the Yankees probably should have kept the noobs.
Tabata isnt the next Manny. He couldnt hold his jock. Maybe attitude wise. Still havnt seen that Manny power. Its not like playing in new york with the spot light on you. Maybe he just couldnt handle the pressures and expectations in new york. Who knows and who cares. You have to give something to get something. We recieved a lefty we have wanted for years and Abreus replacement. Ill take a known commodity over a maybe 3 years from now any day.
Look at Ledee and Rivera. Does anyone regret those trades?
Fredo:
You’re right-forgot that Pettitte unlikely to pitch for anyone else unless Houston still interested!
Nothing wrong with the trade. Nady and Marte have done a good job in NY and will be better next year.
The pitching options aren’t pretty if CC decides to go to the West Coast. Its basically AJ Burnett (whom I think is dying to be a Yankee), and the possibility of coaxing Moose or Pettitte (perhaps both) back.
Unless of course, they work out a trade for an arm.
I don’t think they will move on Sheets because his medicals aren’t pretty.
$5 says Tabata is the next Ricky Ledee.
S.o.S.27
Is that Ruben Rivera or Juan Rivera?-you were referring to the former, Mariano’s cousin.
SJ:
what first round draft picks cant be taken if you sign an FA? I think it is any pick from 1-16 but I am not sure.
Isn’t Melky hitting somewhere in the .400’s? What does it prove that Tabata is going anywhere playing in A level and hitting in mid .300? Only that he can hit in a league where players typically do hit well.
SJ,
I think more or less CC is going to the West Coast. And I honestly think it will just cost too much for us to get him. Burnett would be nice.
I think Pettitte is done, however. Bring Moose back for another year, but let Andy walk.
Ruben
Yankee Trader, if Pettitte opts out even though the Yankees offer him arbitration, there are no draft picks. Unless you think MLB is into giving gifts of draft picks, which they aren’t.
would the yanks sign sabathaia burnett and say another reliever we need a shut out reliever sombody like scott shields were kan u find that reliever
Rather, if Pettitte retires…
Open question: What are people’s thoughts on Ryan Dempster from Chicago?
Steve, good post about role players, but seriously, Tony Clark? The mile high strike zone is what I call him. The anti-Eddie Gaedel. Need an easy out in the middle of a potentially damaging inning? He’s your man.
“That’s the least he can do to justify the 16M we spent on him the each of the last two years.”
Seems to me that justifying that is on Cashman moreso than Pettitte.
If no CC…
Wang
Burnett
Joba
Mussina
Pettitte
?
“Open question: What are people’s thoughts on Ryan Dempster from Chicago?”
My opinion??? He’d have to show me twice.
I think he’s going to re-up with the Cubs, but I’m not buying in til I see him do it again. He’s been a pretty ordinary pitcher for a big chunk of his career. His ‘08 came from nowhere.
I am obviously this board’s biggest proponent of the Moose Bar and I bow to no one in my respect for Yankee chocolate (which sort of sounds like it’s about Oscar Gamble and Mickey Rivers, but it isn’t), HOWEVER, neither the Baby Ruth nor the short-lived Reggie Bar were manufactured as small-scale charity/vanity projects.
I’m not sure what my point is. Oh, that it makes sense that Andy and Moose should both have top free agent status.
“If no CC…
Wang
Burnett
Joba
Mussina
Pettitte”
I would replace Andy with Lowe.
SJ44
Is Burnett keen on becoming a Yankee? That means he wouldn’t have the guaranteed 3-4 wins a year against us by pitching with Boston,joining his ex-teammate Beckett!!
What about Dempster, age 31. “Rumor” only was that Chicago has enough starters and need to resign Wood that they might not offer him a FA contract. Even if his ERA rose by 1.0, it would still be lower than most anyone oon our startin staff, except Joba, and dempster had showed good durability this year.
IMO- We need two solid starting pitchers from FA market to allow us to trade some of our minor league pitching talent for young athletic position players.
“SJ:
what first round draft picks cant be taken if you sign an FA? I think it is any pick from 1-16 but I am not sure.”
Picks one thru fifteen are protected. The Yankees pick in ‘09 will almost certainly NOT be protected. Their comp for the Cole pick is protected.
cc
burnett
wang
mussina
pettite
When they traded for Nady and Marte, they were coming off a good post-All Star game winning streak, and still had Joba healthy in the rotation. They were still very much in contention at that point.
As SJ44 points out, these guys should be helpful to the Yankees next year, too.
So I wouldn’t blame Cashman for trading Tabata to get them.
Funny how:
Many people wanted to have instant results rather than prospects, and said they wanted to package & trade up-an-coming types for veteran guys like Bonds, Manny, Griffey Jr etc.
Yet now many of them basically say Tabata is the man (as if he’s the real deal right now) and we should’ve kept him.
They also disregard that Nady is a pretty good outfielder who solved an immediate problem (at least at his position) partly caused by one of the up-and-comers (Melky) not doing too good … right now. Injury to couple veterans was a key reason to trade for Nady too.
Further, Nady isn’t too green to do it at the major league level (right now) and he still has a future.
So basically, some sounded like they wanted to play this year with an OF consisting of NY’s AA-AAA-rookie-level guys instead of Damon, Abreu & Matsui, while some apparently wanted to replace all 3 OFs with an OF of even-further-over-the-hill and/or even-more-over-the-budget guys. This year. IMO we would have been even worse off if a move or two was made in either direction.
After relieving the vet OF(s) with Nady, the best move may have been sending Melky down.
Anyways, NY traded for Nady & Marte. It cost them Tabata & Ohlendorf. It costs something to get something. Live with it. We’re not in bad shape with the two we got in return.
This off season I could see one or two of the ‘08 opening day big three OFs (Matsui, Damon, Abreu) being traded or allowed to walk. Personally, I’d like to see Matsui stay and spend time between OF & DH, which would allow the team part of what it needs (the DH) to safely buy out Giambi. I think Damon could be seen the same way, and Abreu (although he’s afraid of the wall) is better suited to play the field every day. I’d feel better about parting ways with either as long as good OFs replace them. In order of preference, I’d part ways with Abreu first, then Damon, and lastly Matsui.
If you’re worried about ‘09 and ‘10, then never mind Tabata. Apparently he wasn’t going to be ready for a couple years. From the sounds of it, no other prospect currently in the system is that close either. This team needs to look at the 2009 OF as consisting of Nady, one of the big three (Matsui/Damon/Abreu), one of the big 3 being the 4thOF/DH, plus an all-star potential outfielder through some kind of acquisition.
If that acquisition can be had by FA (as long as he’s not named Manny) or by packaging Melky, a pitching prospect not named Hughes, and/or the third of the big 3, then it should be done. For that, NY should be able to trade for a serious OF (or even two) who’s under 30, not on the decline, and under a reasonable contract for a few more years.
Tabata becoming an all-star in ‘12 or ‘13 could still mean nothing would have come from him in NY in ‘09 and ‘10. I think the team’s trying to bridge that gap while not sacrificing ‘12 and beyond.
“Interesting article on Arod
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-arod083108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
# RalphieD ”
I think Peter should re-post this as a feature post. Finally a stat which backs us up, and so completely.
Ask this on an earlier blog. When was the last time both the Yankees and the Braves didnt make the playoffs?
“IMO- We need two solid starting pitchers from FA market to allow us to trade some of our minor league pitching talent for young athletic position players.”
YT,
Right now, Phil Hughes is the only pitcher that brings back a talented, young position player. Yanks have pitching depth in AA/AAA, but it’s not top quality depth. Better prosepcts are in the lower end of the system and not as highly regarded as Hughes….yet.
“I think he’s going to re-up with the Cubs, but I’m not buying in til I see him do it again. He’s been a pretty ordinary pitcher for a big chunk of his career. His ‘08 came from nowhere.”
It did, it most certainly did, but I’m wondering if at 31 he’s one of those pitchers whose coming into his pitching prime later in his career.
I’m just wondering if he might be more cost effective and less injury prone than a Ben Sheets or a AJ Burnett. Then again, he pitched 66 innings last season and is at 176 innings this year. Kind of seems like an excessive jump, and knowing the Cubs tendency to over use arms, this could be an injury in the making.
“Ask this on an earlier blog. When was the last time both the Yankees and the Braves didnt make the playoffs?”
1990
I am not giving up on the Wild Card for 2008 just yet! But I will say, the pitching in 2009 looks infinitely better than it does in 2008 and that reason tied in with the pitching of say a Tampa and/or Boston has me thinking that last game of the year in Yankee Stadium might spell the end! I am a 7 year season ticket holder now with the Bombers but when I was offered tickets for next year I jumped on the idea of selling my last game ever at Yankees Stadium tickets for nearly a grand total: http://www.esellout.com/ResultsGeneralAtVenue.aspx?kwds=New+York+Yankees&venid=68 So my loss was a gain as well! I am set for 2009 when the stars are lined up and Jeter and Jorge rebound with the refreshed and healthy staff!
Let’s Go Yankees! But if we can’t win…I hope The Rays pound the $#!t out of Boston!
Oh and perhaps perhaps perhaps, maybe a prospect could be almost close enough when Matsui or Damon’s contract runs out. Not counting on it but if that guy’s not ready until maybe there’s something that could be done in ‘10 like a 1-year extension to a vet’s deal. At least by keeping Nady & one of the big three, we wouldn’t be sacrificing 1/3 of the OF in both ‘09 and ‘10.
“Ask this on an earlier blog. When was the last time both the Yankees and the Braves didnt make the playoffs?”
1994
Tabata is in AA, not A.
aj burnett is just another pavago waiting to happen all over again for the yanks. i’ll pass, thanks.
Phil Hughes won’t bring back what he once could. He’s a 9.00ERA pitcher with a history of injury problems. If we trade him now it would be the definition of selling low.
S.o.S.27
“When’s the last time both the Yankees and the Braves didn’t make the playoffs/” Good question for the Schwab!! 1990??
SJ44 – why do you think AJ Burnett is dying to be a Yankee?
Fernando:
Depmster has a few 200 IP seasons under his belt, so the big leap in innings may impact him less than it might some others. Still, this season went so far beyond anything he’s done before, I’d want to see more before signing him long term.
When the Yanks & Braves last missed the playoffs wasn’t a trick question, but saucY still comes up with a trick answer!
1990 Yankees 67-95; Braves 65-97 both the worst records in mlb that year.
Thanks Fredo.
Suacy,what can i say. Im not surprised with your answer. The funny part is i was going to put obviously not including the 94 strike year. Next your going to tell me the Expos were the best team in 94 and would have won the Series.
“Phil Hughes won’t bring back what he once could. He’s a 9.00ERA pitcher with a history of injury problems”
Still think he’s the type who could be the centerpiece of a trade for a good young bat. While a little prone to injury, none of what he’s had are tied his arm. This was a bad year for Hughes, but I still think people around baseball see this youngster as a potential high end of the rotation guy.
Sorry Saucy- but when was the last time both the Yankees and Braves didn’t make the playoffs when it wasn’t a strike shortened year?
“1990 Yankees 67-95; Braves 65-97 both the worst records in mlb that year.”
Twins and Braves both went to worst to first enroute to the 1991 World Series, which in my opinion, even though I had no horse in the race, was the best World Series I’ve ever witnessed.
“S.o.S.27
“When’s the last time both the Yankees and the Braves didn’t make the playoffs/†Good question for the Schwab!! 1990??”
The schwab has nothing on this blog. He probably comes here to get his info.
So does Cashman. But im sure you already knew that.
Yankees had the best AL record in 1994, Montreal in he NL.
Whats up with all the 09 rotation predictions in here today?
Let me go out on the limb here:
09 rotation-
CC(Will sign with us for biggest deal around 6 years 140 million.)
Wang(Back healthy after June Lisfranc tear.)
Joba(Don’t let the Yankees brass fool you, hes still a starter. However he may have to spend a month or 2 in the pen.)
Moose(Will return following a very successful season for a 1 year deal.)
Hughes/any combo of Rasner/Ponson.
“Twins and Braves both went to worst to first enroute to the 1991 World Series, which in my opinion, even though I had no horse in the race, was the best World Series I’ve ever witnessed.”
Fredo
1A. Twins/Braves
1b. Yanks/d-backs
Tough call.
Pete – I love your work, but you need to take it easy on Edwar. What, did he p*ss in your Red Bull or something? 6 of the homers he’s given up were given up over 20 innings last year. He’s given up 7 over 50+ innings this year.
Edwar’s a more than serviceable mid to late innings reliever. This year he’s holding opponents to a .668 OPS. That’s pretty darn good.
I’d say Edwar has actually exceeded expectations this year, and represents a great pickup by Cash & Co.
Why do people want to trade Hughes, or even Kennedy? Both were disappointments last year but look at Pelfrey – he was jerked up and down between bigs and the minors and had a rough 2007. Looked like a bust, and even in the early going this year. Now he is their second best starter after Santana. They are both young and inexperienced. I know it is tough to develop pitchers or others on the Yankees with their win-now attitude (and rightfully so with ARod in prime of his career) but they should wait on dumping Kennedy and Hughes. Both still have IMO bigger upside than the minor leagues trumpeted by posters here.
*meant this year for hughes and kenneyd
Fredo-
As I was living in Atlanta at the time and rooting for the Braves, Bobby Cox was outmanaged, by keeping his slumping players in key spots in the lineup, and the last game was a doozy Morris against Smoltz. 1-0 ten innings.
“1A. Twins/Braves
1b. Yanks/d-backs”
I’d put Cincinatti/Boston just ahead of the Yanks/D’backs, but ‘01 obviously had it’s share of drama.
Fredo –
I believe you be right. The Joe Carter & Bill Mazeroski WS walk-offs aside (they were single moments) that ‘91 epic between Minny & Atlanta was indeed the most exciting world series, start to finish.
I’m not old enough to remember watching any WS before the Big Red Machine’s 7-gamer with Boston (another exciting one) so others may have different opinions or memories of a better WS. But at least in my memory that was the best WS.
“Why do people want to trade Hughes”
It’s not about wanting to trade Hughes. It’s about recognizing your needs and knowing that it will cost something to get something. Let’s say hypothetically, that the Padres were content to go with Kyle Blanks as their 1B next year and are looking for a nice package to move Adrian Gonzalez, a guy who fills the young 1B need the Yankees have. You going to have a problem moving Hughes as part of a package to get Gonzalez???? I know I wouldn’t bother me.
Al from BK
Would be happy with the 1st four of CC, Joba, Wang and Mussina, but no way will Ponson and/or Rasner be back.If they are the 5th starters we’re going to have another miserable year. I certainly hope Hughes is ready but can’t count on him either.
Go for 2 FA starters, then you can trade away some of our pitching prospects for young quality, athletic position players.
The yankees’ goal should be to get within 3 games of the Red Sox by the time they play them at Fenway at the end of September. Then you theoretically have a chance to get in the post season. Not going to happen, but I’m just sayin…
Hughes = Homer Bailey. Another pitcher who just didn’t pan out.
“I’d put Cincinatti/Boston just ahead of the Yanks/D’backs, but ‘01 obviously had it’s share of drama.”
I’ll take your word for it. I was too young and worried about not crapping my pants at the time.
Adrian Gonzalez for Hughes? In a heartbeat.
“Hughes = Homer Bailey. Another pitcher who just didn’t pan out.”
Arent they a little young to already write them off? There arent manny Doc Goodens out there. Patience might help.
“I’ll take your word for it. I was too young and worried about not crapping my pants at the time”
I had an affinity for those Reds team. With apologies to the 1998 Yankees, the 1975-1976 Reds team (basically the same for both years)was the best I’ve seen, period.
I was stunned to see Boston hang with them. Lot of drama in that series. One downside was it took about a week to get Game 6 in due to rain.
YT –
If NYs rotation has CC, Joba, Wang & Moose, and they’re all healthy and pitching well, then making a 5th starter out of someone like Hughes is something the team could be patient with.
Wang & Joba coming off injuries could be a little bit of a concern. And, hopefully, Joba pitching from the ‘pen the rest of this year is (again) temporary.
Signing CC & Moose would have to happen too. But yes, the 4 of them would have the potential to be a serious rotation.
And, hopefully, Hughes would be ready to become that 5th pitcher.
If those are our 5 guys and our karma next year is the opposite of this year’s (or at least neutral) then things could be far better than this year. But this year is testament to the fact that you can’t count on anything because anything can go wrong.
I guess that’s why they go out & play all the games.
I try not to go back and learn about them. Lets just say that Joe Morgans continueous bragging about his team turned me off. Its like the 72 dolphins to me. Players stuck in the past.
“Adrian Gonzalez for Hughes? In a heartbeat.”
You’re sort of making my point. Trading Hughes does not = giving up on Hughes. Just as trading Tabata doesn’t mean the Yankees gave up on him. They got two legitimate commodities in the Tabata deal and would most certainly see an even better commodity by trading Hughes, who is a desireable commodity in his own right.
Why isnt anyone sold on my 5th starter Lowe? He could eat up innings and keep is in games. Isnt that what we need till the youngsters get their innings up?
“I’ll take your word for it. I was too young and worried about not crapping my pants at the timeâ€
Many of the fans in Boston were sharing your worries at the time, SoS. But it was because they were old enough to watch that world series, not because the were too young to.
Now that statement only applies to Kevin Youkilis when he flails after getting buzzed by a Joba Chamberlain heater.
If this was ‘04 then I’d say maybe Lowe was worth a look, SoS, but this ain’t ‘04.
SJ,
Any chance Joba heads to AzFL to boost his IP?
“Many of the fans in Boston were sharing your worries at the time, SoS. But it was because they were old enough to watch that world series, not because the were too young to.
Now that statement only applies to Kevin Youkilis when he flails after getting buzzed by a Joba Chamberlain heater.”
Freakin hillarious. Hands down funniest post of the day.
Fredo
Yes, Boston played above their ability to even compete with that Cincy team in ‘75. That was all part of the drama, along with the perpetual frustration culture from the Boston side.
But that also shows ya why they play the games.
Why not just bring back Pettitte instead of Lowe?
The problem is we had to rely on him more than we should have. Instead of getting Santana and moving everyone down a spot like we should have, we brought Pettitte back to be the #2 and be the stopper. He isin’t that guy anymore… he is a gritty guy who will have good games and bad games but he will eat innings and can throw 120 pitches everytime. Kind of like how the Sox view Wakefield.
Remember in ‘96 … There was an up-and-coming team that wasn’t supposed to be able to compete with a near-dynastic team in that world series. That year’s series turned out to be pretty exciting too.
Still, ‘91 was the most exciting.
Ansky,
Im not saying to bring in Lowe for the second spot in the rotation. 5th spot. I could have said Sheets and Burnett. But im trying to be realistic in that we will land one dominant pitcher and get one for the back of the rotation. He has an e.r.a. of 3.6. For a 5th starter id take that.
Wangawa — If you look at the upcoming schedule, our pitching rotation and the way these sitffs have been playing, our chances of picking up 4 games on Boston before the final series (and they are playing very well) is borderline impossible.
Even if we sweep the entire week and the series against the Angels, it will be tough to make up 4 games in a few weeks.
Has this been mentioned? Asbury Park resident cited for impersonating Joba:
http://thecoaster.net/wordpress/2008/08/28/asbury-park-man-cited-for-impersonating-yankees-pitcher/#more-3294
“Remember in ‘96 … There was an up-and-coming team that wasn’t supposed to be able to compete with a near-dynastic team in that world series. That year’s series turned out to be pretty exciting too.”
Braves died like dogs after that Leyritz homer, which looking back was the true beginning of the dynasty stretch. Talk about momentum turning on a dime. What a mooment.
“There was an up-and-coming team that wasn’t supposed to be able to compete with a near-dynastic team in that world series.”
Cant wait till we can get the 2000 version of the next up and coming team.
The fat lady hasn’t sung yet. It’s the heart that really matters in the end. Let’s go Yankees.
Still, SoS, not even the 5th slot in ‘09 for Lowe.
Sure, anything could happen in a given year but I just don’t see him as being any more than that. I’d think someone else could come along (Hughes or someone else) to take/earn the 5th slot in ‘09, and have a shot at becoming more than that after ‘09. Probably cheaper than Lowe would come too.
Don’t know that this team’s infield is built for a Derek Lowe-type pitcher.
Cashman on with Francessa now
“Don’t know that this team’s infield is built for a Derek Lowe-type pitcher.”
Wang…
go yankees
People criticizing the trading away of Jose Tabata are being silly. Both Nady and Marte can be effective ML players for at least several more years and they did, in fact, look to be just what the yanks needed at the time of the trade. Tabata, while he projects well, had become a disappointment and the yanks didn’t know what to do with him.
The fact that the yanks have problems in their player development department is, however, something that should concern all yankees’ fans. They have had real problems developing their young players over the years and the Tabata situation just might be another example of that. The small sample size on Tabata’s time in the Pirates’ organization doesn’t tell us all that much, but it might mean that the Pirates know something about how to deal with young players like Tabata that the yanks don’t know. And, that if the yanks don’t know, he never was going to develop with the yankees, so his loss really isn’t much of a loss.
Marte allows the Yankees to wave goodbye to Abreu. Marte, when used correctly, has been effective. Criticizing this trade is something a negative nancy would do. Tabata was talking about quitting baseball, wasn’t doing anything in AA, and had major attitude questions. You have to give up talent to receive talent. Ohlendorf, McCutchen, and Karstens are all expendable and Tabata was clearly far, far away from the majors. A small sample size of ABs in Pittsburgh’s system isn’t going to change that.
Nady allows the Yankees to let Abreu walk*
I do think Cashman is going to shop Hughes/Cano around. He has been preaching for years how he wants to get younger and more athletic in the field and he has expressed disgust with the offense this year. There are going to be a lot of trade rumors regarding those 2 this off-season… they are our only real rade chips. Nobody is going to give us value for Kennedy and Melky.
“Has this been mentioned? Asbury Park resident cited for impersonating Joba”
In terms of intelligence:
NY Subway Rat > Girls from New Jersey
This will disappoint the many people who want to dump Phil Hughes, but it’s pretty obvious that he is not going anywhere. Fredo, you said earlier that trading a player doesn’t mean you are giving up on him….it means that you just need to fill a need somewhere else. Maybe that’s true in most cases, but I’ll bet 95% (at least) of Yankee fans would not have wanted to give up Phil Hughes for anyone at the beginning of 2007. He had some absolutely outstanding moments and some struggles – like most youngsters – and now he’s trade bait by fans who are just ridiculously impatient. The Yankees obviously feel that Phil is going to be an outstanding pitcher and they intend to give him the required time to grow and develop into that role. I guess that will upset a lot of fans, but it’s the right thing to do.
hey everbody enjoy the rest of this season…bb is a beutiful game we aint makin the playoffs so… injoy it. save the agida for next year!
I’d just sit Joba for the rest of the year…why risk it if they aren’t going anywhere? Send him to winter ball if they want him to work, but let him recuperate further.
FWIW – I have tickets right behind the Yankees dugout. First row!
Okay, it’s the SWB version, but I will be going to the games at McCoy Wednesday and Thursday. Just thought I’d mentione it. And I did get tickets in the row right behind the dugout for both nights.
If anyone is interested I will try to take some pictures and post them. If you’re not I won’t bother.
*mention
Who is Tina Fay?
About Ponson pitching again:
“He’s done it before. Obviously he didn’t have the sink yesterday that he’s necessarily has had. We need to get that back. You go to work in the bullpen and see if you can straighten things out.â€
“We’re talking about sending a rookie possibly out there who doesn’t have a lot of starts in the big leagues. It’s not like we have Cy Young, Steve Carlton, you know, waiting in the wings. If we did make a change, you’re talking about youth. They don’t have the experience.â€
One thing I am convinced I have an abundance of is common sense. These are exactly the reasons I gave for Girardi sticking with Ponson in earlier threads. I would like to say I have brilliance beyond belief since I didn’t see a lot more of these kinds of responses, but it is so painfully common sense it isn’t funny. Not brilliance alas.
That said, when you don’t armchair GM or get too worked up I think it really is easier to see things more objectively. Or something.
only 1 untouchable player -
joba the ace
everyone else can be had for the right price
* earlier threads today when people asked why Ponson would get another start
ponson will continue to start because he is better than hughes or kennedy lol aceves deserves a shot though
Good job Girardi.SAying the truth we don’t have staters who can make a big differance and that means Hughes.
I wonder if wizards like Steve sit at the community computers at the their library daily and actually LOL? The 80 year old librarians probably slap them with a book to quiet them down.
ESPN News gave your blog a nice bump there with “best on the web” at the end of your covnersation.
You guys are such idiots!!!!! Getting ahead of yourselves in regards to Tabata. He goes on one hot streak and you idiots get all delusional. It’s only a hot streak, he will cool off. He has never shown that he can hit like he is. The next Manny? LMAO!!!! He hasn’t even come close to showing that type of ability. What a bunch of deluded morons, and you call yourselves Yankee fans!! You guys are nothing but an embarrassment!!
“Brian Cashman was over at Steinbrenner Field today and spoke to Hank, Hal, Jennifer and Felix Lopez, among others. There was no formal meeting and the subject of his contract did not come up.”
Sorry, but, Cashman is lying. I have it from an anonymous source from inside the organization that it’s a done deal. The only thing keeping it from being official is Cashman and the Steinbrenners are covering up an injury to Cashman’s contract signing hand. He is actually scheduled to fly to Birmingham tomorrow morning to consult with Dr. James Andrews.
“ESPN News gave your blog a nice bump there with “best on the web†at the end of your covnersation.”
I put on ESPN News and didn’t see Pete or anyone that looked like him. What gives?
Have to agree with you bob!!!!! These so-called fans are complete morons. How they can continue going through life as stupid as they are is beyond me!!
Trisha, he was on there. In order to protect himself, PA and ESPN agreed to electronically alter his voice and appearance, though, in God’s name anybody would be foolish enough to chose Steve Phillips to look and sound like is beyond me.
One thing needs to be corrected. Tabata doesn’t play for the Erie Seawolves he plays for the Altoona Curve. Being from Altoona I felt the need to say that.
GB – LAUGH MY BUTT OFF!!!!!
I hope it wasn’t Pete who asked Girardi again about Ponson. Because if it was it would only mean that Pete couldn’t deal with the fact that he called it wrong and didn’t figure out why they would stay with Ponson!
No offense Pete.
We win some, we lose some, and some are rained out.
Pete – I didn’t say it was you. I only said I hoped it wasn’t.
By the way, how pathetic is it when reporters continue to ask the same question. Aren’t they only supposed to report and not interject their personal feelings? (What about “Ponson is still in the rotation” was tough to interpret – unless of course the brain surgeons couldn’t figure out the obvious reason and needed to ask why this was happening. Or if they think the questions needs to be asked since so many of their flock can’t figure it out and continues to walk in circles, then I guess the question is worth something…)
Anyway – GO YANKEES!!!
GB –
Well I put on Sports Center first and then switched quickly to ESPN News and didn’t see him either place.
Trisha – have fun at the games. Where is McCoy?
I forgot that this stadium has the stupid cow bell guy looks like mute tv tonight
McCoy is in Pawtucket, RI (pronounced pah-tuck-et by the locals as opposed to PAW-tucket, the way I’ve heard Ken Singleton pronounce it.
The stadium is really no more than 10 minutes away from my house – but then RI isn’t real big. But big enough that you can drive more than 10 minutes! It’s a pretty nice stadium, all redone. But I have to bet it doesn’t rival SWB. I know when the Trenton Thunders played in Conn., I went to games there and their digs were amazing.
I forgot Garza doesn’t need to throw any pitch other than his fastball to get our hitters out.
Ponson is a no-talent fat pig!!!!!
“Ponson is a no-talent fat pig!!!!!”
Oh well.
albaladejo is pitching with the SI Yanks tonight
I hate the Trop. As if the cowbells aren’t bad enough, the heckler hasn’t been heard from yet.
I swear to God, if Peter Abraham keeps it up with these snide digs and Ponson and Rasner and my other favorite Yankees, I’m going to protest by continuing to post on his blog.
I’m not bluffing, Mr. Peter Abraham, don’t try me!
Oh, I mean, go Moose.
Nice inning from the 50 million dollar threesome.
“Nice inning from the 50 million dollar threesome”
necessary?
Go Moose.
Let me guess. Another loss?
Trisha -
Enjoy the games at SWB.
I was out all day and tried to do a little catching up here. I must say, it’s awfully depressing.
But I did want to add my 2 cents regarding Tabata. How quickly everyone forgets what an enigma he had become this season. His production was down, but I think some of that was expected, given the promotion to AA ball, and his coming off an injury. I think what was more befuddling was his demeanor. I believe many people wrote about this at the time. And also wrote how difficult it must be for someone of his tender age to make such a cultural transition, etc., etc. But even with all that said, Tabata was not traded because he was problematic this season. He was traded because at the time the Yankees had the opportunity to pick up some players who could potentially give them a boost in the second half of the season as well as into next season at least. One of the players was a pitcher, Marte, whose name was mentioned here as a “must have” for the Yankees. The second player, Nady, was seen as someone who would be an improvement in the outfield over just about everyone the Yankees already had and someone who could make an immediate impact.
Even in a perfect world, Tabata was a couple of season away from helping the big league club. And players like Nady and Marte in a package were not going to come cheap. Tabata was the cornerpiece of that deal. you have to give to get. None of the pitchers will be missed, regardless of what they go on to do. If Tabata ends up being a good NL player for the Pirates, well, that’s all fair in baseball. But there’s no guarantees.
To the person who said the Pirates might develop young players better than the Yankees, I would just say, really? The Pirates? of Pittsburgh, PA? They’ve been mired among baseball’s dungheep for years. If they’re developing players so well, they must be doing it somewhere else.
Great start for Moose so far.
Enjoy the game, all.
I swear to God, if Pete persists with these snide jabs at Ponson and Rasner and my other favorite Yankees, I will protest by continuing to post on his blog.
I’m not bluffing, Pete, don’t try me!
And go Moose. Again.
Rays up there window shoppinp tonight.. “May I help you? no just looking”
the 2 Ks were great – but a walk??? really???
“Phil – 27 in ‘08
September 2nd, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Who is Tina Fay?”
Just got back. Not sure if you were trying to correct my spelling or not. But tina fey was on Saturday night live and is now on 30 rock. I think she is running for vp with John Mccain now under an a.k.a. of coarse. Thanks for making me double check my spelling Phil.
“Obviously he didn’t have the sink yesterday”
After watching that start – I needed a sink – or a bucket
Too many pitches for Mussina in the first inning. I’d prefer 1 and 2 pitch outs and get him deeper into the game.
Robbed
wow, A-Rod got robbed of an extra base hit…
Ouch. That was a great catch by Upton and it hurt.
Instant replay would have been nice in the Sox/O’s game as the ump gives the Sox a gift call as Hernandez is safe at homeplate! Unbelievable!!
Thanks Doreen! I guess it will fun. I’d feel better of course if I were going and the Yanks were 10 games up in the division. But I know I can count on you and Fran to keep the positive vibes going in here. (And other compadres of course.)
You are a soul sister in terms of optimism until there isn’t any reason to have it.
5 batters, 3 popouts. Great offense.
ouch…Nady had it…
S.o.S.27(Tina Fey for VP?)
Nice! She is Greek. Can’t go wrong with a Greek.
Hey we’re tagging some of the balls. That’s a good sign yes? I mean he isn’t a total K machine.
That catch by Upton was sick.
“Too many pitches for Mussina in the first inning. I’d prefer 1 and 2 pitch outs and get him deeper into the game.”
Maybe he is trying to give Joba more innings to pitch. Knowing his innings need to go up.
My fantasy football team, rate it.
Roethlisberger, Ben QB PIT
Johnson, Larry RB KC
Parker, Willie RB PIT
Bowe, Dwayne WR KC
Wayne, Reggie WR IND
Welker, Wes WR NE
Heap, Todd TE BAL
Brown, Josh K STL
Colts DST CHI
Hasselbeck, Matt QB SEA
Stewart, Jonathan RB CAR
Bruce, Isaac WR SF ARI
Lewis, Marcedes TE JAC
Cardinals DST
I personally don’t care if Tabata is in AA or A, until he’s in the Majors and proves himself, he’s one thing, a prospect. One thing I’ve learned in my time covering prospects, potential is that, and far from a guarantee.
He’s doing well, that’s great. He’s got tremendous capabilities, if he’s able to take advantage of them and mature, he’ll be an excellent player.
If his coming to the Majors isn’t for another four years, however, I don’t see how you can argue with the trade. Austin Jackson is going to be in the Majors before Tabata and has shown more capability IMO.
Trisha – I’ll be here to keep the faith. As long as the Yankees are mathematically alive, there is hope.
Why would anybody care about your fantasy fooball team
Man, even my Sox-fan-friends are rooting for the Yanks in this series. That’s never a good sign.
Great play by Upton, we really could’ve used that hit.
I don’t know what is more annoying – that stupid bell or Michael Kay.
A-
- FOR NOT HAVING Peyton
A FOR HAVING Marvin
Trade for Manning!!
what a great catch by BJ Upton. Man I can’t wait until they call up Jackson so we could have someone to go get em like that.
Michael Kay makes me want to scratch my ears out.
I would have to give up everyone to get him.
wat the hell were the rays thinking hahahahaha
What, now Bobby Meacham is coaching 3rd for them too????
I can’t believe we’re losing to these guys.
How lucky were we!
GO MOOSE!!!
runner wasn’t looking. Why didn’t he try to run back to second? could he have?
Wow, this looks more like a first place little league team.
X Nady 0.298
J Bay 0.312
arod should of ran out hinsike and tagged out Ayabar
whoa
“I would have to give up everyone to get him.”
Aaaand? You want to win dont ya? 2 words for you. Franchise player.
Honestly i know nothing about fantasy ball. Cant get myself to root for another teams players. Good luck.
Two base running blunders by Hinske. Big break so far.
Infield in with 1 out in the second inning. That says a lot about our offense.
And what good fortune that Aybar was ahead of Hinske so grandma running Hinske was left on base?
Forget about them being in first place by 5 games they have the BEST record in all of baseball. SOme wonders never cease but it happens.
Jon Jester > Integrate( factorial(Phil Hughes), 2008, 2020 )
Whats wrong with Kay? I can only see the Rays TV coverage.
“arod should of ran out hinsike and tagged out Ayabar”
Hinske was kneeling on 3rd base by the time A-Rod got the ball.
OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS!
Hey speaking of which, did you all see that one of Clemens son was arrested for assault? Really nice family they have there.
On paper, the yankees have the better line up by far; however, the rays are filled with those gabe gross-type role players who have gotten a ton of clutch hits throughout the course of the season.
oh my lord…need to score now, can’t believe Moose got out of that
Upton should ask Maddon if Hinske is going to get taken out of the game for a bone-headed play.
I think the better question might be “what’s RIGHT with Michael Kay”
Trisha – maybe it was roid rage! (just kidding)
Well yeah okay it occurs to me that Matt Garza is tossing a NO HITTER…
Now we’ll see for how long or whether I’ve been jaked all these years.
“Clemens son was arrested for assault?”
Disorderly conduct.
Fran –
(hey you never know!)
I though I read assault. Never read the article. Too busy watching the Yanks.
Can we get a hit?
Is it a hit? Is it a hit?
HA HA HA HA HA! Go jinx!
and there we go. Thanks Robbie
Good thing that Cano was loafing down the line.
Unbelievable…when is Upton a free agent?
Don’t kid yourself, Cano was motivated by LoHud today.
“Good thing that Cano was loafing down the line.”
As long as he is stylish and Alomar-esque, who cares whether he performs.
If he is young and talented – I say TRADE him!
//sarcasm//
Oh 90210 is starting
Bases loaded, 1 out, 3-0 count for Papi.
i nothing else, this inning was good for Garza’s pitch count. Now Moose just needs to keep it together.
If LoHud could just motivate Rodriguez and Abreu, now. Everyone else in the batting order is at the top of their games, they could start printing the playoff tickets, now.
*if
2-run double off the montster. Blech.
3-0 Sox.
Does anyone else think that it looks like Pavano is smirking in the photo they show when they show pitching match-ups?
Ugh, 4-0 Sox.
4-0 sox
4-0 Sox.
If you got paid $39M for doing practically nothing, what expression would you have?
There are more comments on the Sox game than the Yankee game.
TKinDC: that was my point. Freaking Pavano.
i hate when the wheels fall off the wagon after 2 freaking outs!!!
nothing new runs all with two outs
And there goes the game.
The Rays are in first place, but they still can’t fill the stadium.
strike 3 to Upton not called things change fast.. imagine a team that hits when they have RISp..
at least the damage was limited
Ack, two outs Mikey…two outs.
5 Yankees hitting over .300 in our lineup
0 Rays hitting over .300 in their lineup
Folks, we’re not catching Boston. In fact, I would say that Boston has a better chance of catching Tampa than we do of catching Boston.
Frustrating.
Mel but their starters rock. And their guys run like fire when they get on.
I think I need to send the ‘runs please’ memo to the Yankee lineup again.
That was Jeter being… smooth?
worst stolen base ever.
Nice try Bobby. Now all we need is another deep one to tie the score.
RISP.
Uh oh?
a-rod, man – i’d even take a “productive out” right about now
It’s Arod time.
And luck. Sometimes luck. I’ll take all the luck we can get.
ugh. I always forget about those freaking cow bells.
WHOSE IDEA WAS THAT?
Cool. Now all we need is a deep out. No DP. Deep out. Homer even.
why is giambi still hitting behind arod? a guy hitting 250 is batting higher than a guy 320? right
Good for A-Rod, not trying to do too much, he might be learniing.
A walk – better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.
And the heckler returns.
Nice that Giambi has a good eye. Abreu too.
The idea came from hell, Andrea. You’d think once they took the Devil out of their name all ideas from hell would have gone along with it.
GOOD JOB JASE!!!
Wow. One of the worst sac flies ever. I guess that fits along with the worst steal ever.
A run. woohoo
The heckler is from hell too.
Everytime I hear him, I think of that real men of genius Bud Light radio commercial – Mr Pro Sports Heckler.
Wow, that was a certified moonshot.
Do we get to talk now about the importance of going out there and scoring a run right after you give one up…
yeah, but Andrea, they all look the same in the boxscore .
Yay X-Man!!!!
Angel: good point. but serious, lose the cow bells. Especially in a dome. Just evil.
haha. Michael Kay had no idea where that ball was.
Woohoo X
Our Yankees are leading the Rays. He he he!
X!
Wow, a sac fly!
Fundamental baseball is nice to see!
I’d like to see Tabata go Catwalk.
NADDDDDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
WOW!
What a shot by Nady.
Doreen: very true. and that was by NO means the worst home run ever. So we’ll take it!
man – I do love that Nady…for more than one reason
Sexy X!!
Fran, our guys are playing them some baseball! (And lady luck has certainly helped out on a few occasions!)
WOO HOO!
Nady’s bomb was strictly Major League.
pssshhh who needs nady…we could have tabata in double A instead!!!….*sarcasm, dont hate me*
Trisha – that was a good inning. I like the way they built the first run.
Thats no moon. Its a space station shot.
Quick inning from Moose needed.
A little sidenote here about Bobby Abreu. I accidentally picked this up watching E Television (yes I like mindless television sometimes, no jokes about Yankee baseball necessary here!). You may have known this but I did not. Bobby Abreu was engaged to Miss Universe and there was some scandal or something where it was discovered she had another boyfriend so Bobby was less than pleased and told her bye bye.
Dats all.
Yeah, instant replay for plays at the plate. Great idea. Why not just turn the game over to machines? It’d be 7-2 instead of 7-1. How come the Yankees can’t beat up the Orioles like the Red Sox can?
So I am in Boston and trying to get MLB.tv and am failing miserably. Is it just me getting blacked out of this game or does anybody else have this issue too?
On a side note, John Sterling is proving Francessa’s point with some of these calls, brutal. He needs to take a couple of games and kick back to get his head together.
Andrea, the delay on Kay’s call was because of the two catwalks. If it hits one, it’s in play, the other one is an automatic homer.
7-1 Sox.
Rob NY if you have an NY zip code you are going to be blacked out. I’ll check to see if mine is working. If it is you can use my account if you want.
hmm…Coke should pitch the 6th and 7th inning due to a hefty lefty lineup.
The Yankes just swept the O’s, Mr First Animal in the Alphabet.
Robbie looked smooth, almost Uptonesque as he went back for that ball. Has he forgotten his LoHud lessons already?
7-1 Sox.
A Sox lineup that does not include Bay or Youkilis.
Radhames Liz > nothing and nobody
GreenBeret: I know. I just thought it was funny because the ball was hit SO far he had no idea where it was. I was just complimenting Nady’s hit, really.
CAN WE GET SOME FREAKING OUTS PLEASE…
Yeah, so we probably aren’t picking up a game on the Sox tonight.
Rob mine is working.
Holy Smokes is right. Nady’s hot. Uh, you know at the plate.
Trisha I don’t usually have an issue with Yankee games in my apartment here. I’d prefer to be watching the Moose as it sounds like he is looking pretty good but at least I get the video highlights on my phone. Thanks for the offer though.
trisha and Rob NY: I steal mlb.tv from a friend in Baltimore, so he has a Baltimore zip code, but when I steal it, I can steal O’s games, but I can’t watch Yankee or Mets games. I’m not sure it has to do with your zip code; I think it’s just your ip address or something.
Pedroia with another bomb. 10-1, Sox
Story of the season, when the offense finally shows up, the pitching can’t hold leads. Just great.
10-1 Sox.
No Youk, Manny, Drew, or Lowell. How?
there is a program called vidalia that routes your IP address through far far away places. It will allow you to watch black out games on mlb.tv. you have to be extremely persistent though to get it to work.. and once you get the game going..do not mess with it.
Oh I didn’t know you were Boston based. You’re right you shouldn’t be having trouble getting it.
Josh
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:42 pm
10-1 Sox.
No Youk, Manny, Drew, or Lowell. How?
Bad pitching. Didn’t the Yanks pound Liz too?
gabe gross, me likey…
Ye of little Moose faith. For shame.
The baseball gods are might fickle is all I can say with regard to both the Sox and the Rays on the up side, and the Yankees on the not so up side this season.
Nice job by Moose to get out of that jam.
MOOSE!! I feel real bad that the Yanks have sucked this year – of course – had he been this good last year, the Yanks probably would’ve won the division last year and probably the world series.
Fredo-
Get your facts straight it’s 10-1 Boston. Bet the Orioles don’t make a game of it like Detroit did with us. lol
No Jason Bay either in tonight’s Sox lineup.
Rob – just checked the facts, kinda pound. 4.2 innings with 3 ERs against the Yanks. Today, 4.1 innings with 9 runs.
The Red Sox are fielding a squad of Theo-bots.
Andrea I think you are right about IP address. The times I have been blacked out and shouldn’t have been and have had to call MLB.com they always ask me my zip code first and then my IP address. Don’t know why since they should have that information with my account!
Ouch. Possibly the Baltimore pitching is already thinking about October tee times?
Need to capitalize on this.
I feel sad for the Orioles. We know it is no fun getting pounded.
Yankee Trader – oh yea, forgot about him. So lets see…
10 runs in four innings without Youk, Manny, Drew, Lowell, and Bay.
I really don’t know why I’m also watching the Sox game, I think I’m still hoping they lose.
Quick guys, we need to find something wrong that Cano did there. I think he rounded first a little too wide, he should have rounded about 1.5 steps shorter when going towards second. He needs more effort on his base rounds.
Geeze Girardi has an awesome body.
Just sayin’
Look at that! small ball! Imagine that.
Rob- We pounded Liz for 3 runs in 4.2 innings. Boston pounded him for 9 runs in 3.1 innings with the only home run hitter in their lineup tonight being Ortiz.
I was hoping if we couldn’t win the division it would be Tampa, but watch us knock off Tampa and Boston sneaks in.
If Molina can bunt, and bunt successfully – then there is no reason why every hitter on the Yankees shouldn’t be able to bunt. Its a valuable skill to have.
so a sacrifice fly and bunt in the same game?????
Unimaginable
Is it just me, or did Upton kinda jog after that?
Anyway…Damon!
Cano looked smooth trotting home.
“The Red Sox are fielding a squad of Theo-bots.”
Theo-bots… lol.
Sunny 615,
Nah. The bugs would have got him, too. The baseball gods sent down pestilence upon the Yankees for their arrogance. Gonna be a lot of years before they win again. At least after the A-Rod era.
How tall is Damon? He cuts bases like someone shorter than he probably is.
Might Mussina get his 17th win? Not to jinx it or anything.
Molina bunting. What a waste of an out. Damon triples. Just kidding. If Giambi could learn to bunt down the 3rd base line against the shift, instead of popping up he might be hitting close to .300, and would be looking for another major contract with us . Lucky us!
Oh yea sorry, Yanks 3 runs in 4.2 innings. Sox 9 runs in 3.1 innings (not 4.1) against Liz.
Moose has a 5 run lead to work with to get #17. Let’s go Moose.
“Might Mussina get his 17th win?”
That’s pretty much up to Mike Mussina.
How debilitating to be winning for nothing.
Well we can always hope that Minny and Chicago lose since we need to get by one of them also.
trisha; the zip code is probably a way to verify your account.
Pat, Damon’s bigger than he looks. 6 foot 2 inches and 210 pounds. Perfect size for a baseball player.
Okay, I have a question. Might be a stupid one, but I am going to ask anyways…
Are there any FA 2nd baseman this winter or a FA Utility Infielder worth looking into maybe bringing in to shake some things up with Cano?
I know he is a “work in progress”, but to be honest, he looks like he quit on the season already and that’s just not someone that should be around a team like this. If you bring in someone this winter and let him be the back up or something, don’t you think Cano might say “Oh Crap, they weren’t joking about me getting my act together?”
Anybody is better than Betemit as the back up, and Cano isn’t exactly (hate to say this) Dustin Pedroia. Maybe having someone there to replace him when he starts slacking will help open his eyes a little?
All is lost. Please just win it for Moose.
That Iwamura at bat was hilarious for people who are watching the game closely. The entire night Iwamura has been sitting on an inside pitch and just itching for it. It was getting kind of sad. Mussina busts him outside all night, so he decides to sit on an outside pitch and Mussina makes him look silly and throws one inside… lol!
Please, can anyone explain how NYY with FIVE .300 hitters is 10 games away of Rays, with NO ONE single .300 hitter? Their best is hitting .280!
GB
Thanks. I thought he was 6 foot something but he really does run smoothly for someone his size. And I mean smoothly as a compliment. It’s more noticable on the bases than in the outfield.
“Please, can anyone explain how NYY with FIVE .300 hitters is 10 games away of Rays, with NO ONE single .300 hitter? Their best is hitting .280!”
And that person needs to also explain why the Yankees continually match up surprisingly well with the Rays this season. I mean if somehow the Rays and Yankees met in the playoffs, and the Yankees had Mussina, Joba, and someone else going, the Rays wouldn’t stand much of a chance against the Yankees.
Josh
My husband had the same thing to say about Upton not getting to Damon’s ball.
Someone needs to take charge on that play.
I blame the smooth influence of Cano.
Think the Yankees would trade A-Rod for Jed Lowrie? Who hits better with RISP?
Moooooooooose
Our guys are looking very very good!
Crosetti – because their pitching usually manages to shut down good hitting! And they do get on base, and they steal bases when they do and they play fundamental baseball, you know, bunts, sac flys, etc.
FYI, Tabata was playing for the Pirates AA team in Altoona, not Erie.
Pat, yeah, Damon has pretty long strides when running the bases. It’s really obvious on short doubles and triples. Hard to believe that he’s the same size as Tino Martinez during his playing days. I really think that he would be the logical choice at first base next year. arm is accurate, at least, if not strong and wouldn’t be a major issue. He has quick and soft hands, he can jump and he’s agile
If somehow the Yankees and the Rays met up in the postseason, it would mean that the Red Sox plane had crashed into the Metrodome while the Twins were taking batting practice.
I really wish there was a way you could block reading inane posts. My head is hurting, lol.
Both the White Sox and Minny are losing right now.
Is this how that Yanks used to play? It’s been so long I hardly remember.
Oh Crosetti sorry. I was being literal and you were being sarcastic. Duh!
Angel
My brain just filters out certain names now. It’s an acquired skill.
Why are Yankee fans so exasperated with the management of this team from Girardi on up?
“What about using Aceves or Hughes?
‘We’re talking about sending a rookie possibly out there who doesn’t have a lot of starts in the big leagues. It’s not like we have Cy Young, Steve Carlton, you know, waiting in the wings. If we did make a change, you’re talking about youth. They don’t have the experience.’”
That’s a pretty vivid dramatization.
Ponson has been as bad as Mussina was late last year and still the Yankees are discussing sending him out again, and all that vaunted pitching depth we hear so much about in the minors is…..?
trish – no such thing as a win for nothing. They all add up in the end.
Crosetti – because their pitching usually manages to shut down good hitting! And they do get on base, and they steal bases when they do and they play fundamental baseball, you know, bunts, sac flys, etc.
Yeah, an they hit with RISP as part of their job…
…not ready for prime time, Kill Schill.
lol, i’d pay good money for that skill, Pat.
I used to have it, nowadays there is so many my brain is on overload filtering them out.
Have I said how much I like Matsui lately?
Laura, if you’re around. I guess we didn’t need to worry about the Yanks running out of runs!
Tack on runs are so fun. I’ve really missed them this year.
If everyone had just grown a mustache this win would’ve been putting us in first place
Well I meant I’ve always like Matsui, I just haven’t said it lately.
I think I need coffee.
Don’t count the chickens yet, guys. This is a good game, but I’m just sayin’ that it’s not a good idea. A 7-run lead was almost not good enough yesterday.
Make that a 9 run lead was almost not good enough. Sheesh.
True Doreen. I’m just happy they’re looking competitive tonight. That way I don’t have to read posts about how they look like they’ve all quit.
Have the Yankees as a team EVER done the rally-cap type of silliness?
No chicken counting. Just like the approach tonight.
Angel -
Amen to that!! (I’m just so skittish these days)
trisha – I am a Sidney supporter and also believe Arod will start to hit.
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Oh I didn’t know you were Boston based. You’re right you shouldn’t be having trouble getting it.
Yeah, moved up here for school. Been posting since I was in NY and didn’t really want to change the handle. If I remember right there was some Survivor guy named Boston Rob and I didn’t want the association lol
On a side note I absolutely LOVE timely hitting and fundamental baseball. Even just listening to our guys playing that way makes me a happy camper.
Doreen – valid point, except that tonight I have more faith because we have our ace on the mound and Joba and Mo ready to go in the bullpen if need be.
pat -
I also agree with you – it’s really been the kind of game we should have been seeing all season.
Pavano Day tomorrow once again!
Anybody else as excited as I am?
Fran
Aren’t you a least a little bit nervous about Joba? I don’t know what to expect.
I’m really rooting for Moose too. He’s a reason to be optimistic and keep rooting for them.
He’s been one of the really great things about this season.
A lot of foul balls are driving up Mussina’s pitch count. Doubtful he can go a full 7. Maybe open the 7th and go batter to batter.
Doreen – not Joba. I think he’ll be fine.
Just think. Moose wasn’t even in the playoff rotation. And this year he’s our ace.
Pat, next time Damon runs the bases, going from 1st to third and second to home. Watch the way he cuts the turns. Reminds me of watching the videos of DiMaggio cutting the bags.
Captain DP!
even with a lead, jeter can’t help but GIDP…
excited is not the word I would have chose with Pavano in the same sentence.
Jeter gets donations to his “Turn Two Foundation”. He should have collected about $50,000 so far this year.
GB
That’s what I meant by cuts the bases. I noticed the difference between the way Damon and A-Rod cut bases and it’s night and day. Both seem to have great speed on a straight away but Damon would blow him away on the turns.
Moose is showing some class going out there post 100 pitches – Greg Maddux would have been in the showers after the 5th.
Give it a rest – even when they are playing well the critics have the knives out…
¨UPDATE, 9:31 p.m.: Were I a fan of the Yankees, this game would annoy me. ¨
Is Pete a Sox fan?
LOL. He’s certainly been Turn Two Jeter this year.
Once again Girardi leaves his pitcher too long. Can he do one thing right, once in his life?
“Once again Girardi leaves his pitcher too long. Can he do one thing right, once in his life?”
Wow, calm down. They scored one more run. No biggie. Just stop it here. There was no evidence that Mussina was going to give up back to back hits all of a sudden.
Hope it’s Bruney or Veras. Or Marte even! Or Giese or Joba!
Hey we have some choices!!!
Sorry Pete. Some of us are just too busy taking one game at a time, to let games where they are actually winning annoy us for any reason.
Pettitte,Ponson and Mussina aren’t 7th innings guys.The Yankees really want these guys back next year.
Stop trying to get blood out of a stone during the playoff run.
Good lord. The incessant whining around here, even when winning is incredible.
Exactly, Pat. Jeter and Rodriguez both swing out wide right and sort of circle the bag. They need to have Damon give everyone base running lessons. It would save 3-4 steps when moving up two or three bases.
nice seeing Joba warming up…he’s been missed!
********INNINGS EATER UPDATE*******
Tim Lincecum hit hard in Denver while Livan has cruised.
*******DEVELOPING************
Joba should be getting ready to come in…
How do you spell relief?
J O B A
Once again Girardi leaves his pitcher too long. Can he do one thing right, once in his life?
Chill out. Let’s see what happens here
“Livan has cruised”
I’ve been on a cruise – those midnight buffets rule!
Giraldi should haved sac. Damon to 3rd with Jeter up & no outs. Those add on runs deflate a team & changes their strategy. You just knew Jeter was going to GIDP & kill that inning. You extend that inning & you wear out their bull pen in the first game of a 3 game series.
Livan prefers summertime Alaskan cruises. The land of the midnight sun buffet.
Catching back up, was watching this great comedy on MSNBC and CNN.
We need a double play here to preserve a win for Mike. He deserves it,
Mussina has been the only pitcher who has saved the pen this year!
He has gone more than 6 innings 20 times!
Strike out will do.
Not that this is important, but you think Phil Hughes will get his #34 back from Marte next year? If not, I’m sure they’ll make new Hughes tshirts. So there’ll be #65 shirts out there, and #34 and then whatever his new number is.
Yay Joba!
That should be 6 innings or more 20 times
OUR BOY IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh happy day; oh happy day!
Yesssssssss, Joba! Please bring him back for the 8th too (assuming sucess in the 7th) — he needs INNINGS.
JOBA TIME!!
I miss Joba time lol
Wow, this seems like a risky move. Throwing him right into battle… Marte was looking great the last two batters, I probably would have let him finish the inning and let Joba start the 8th.
JOBA!!!!!!!
Marte has looked really good lately!
CMON JOBBAA!!
Andrea – Phil said he didn’t want #34…
and now it’s Joba time
ooo- joba!
im praying joba stays ok…oh how my fingers are crossed!!!
Welcome back Joba!
I had an innocuous (ok, 99% innocuous) post deleted by unseen powers –
help! help! I’m being repressed!
Let’s Go Joba!
“Were I a fan of the Yankees, this game would annoy me. Where was this kind of play all season when they needed it? They get 12 games down and then put the smack down on the Rays.”
what you’re not a yankee fan, pete?
I wonder if the Trop will even be sold out come playoff time, how funny would that be if the stadium is like half-empty…
Son of Joba-mania – This time, its Shorter!
D. Fox, Rocco’s a righty so maybe Girardi didn’t want to take any chances.
At that rate he can pitch a complete game. Let Joba start!
“Pettitte,Ponson and Mussina aren’t 7th innings guys.The Yankees really want these guys back next year.”
Moose has gone 7+ innings in 8 starts this year. He went 7 innings 4 times in August alone. It was the right move sending Moose out for the 7th considering how taxed the pen has been.
Nice job by Marte and Joba.
1 pitch 1 out
Rishi: so there will be an awful lot of multi-numbered Hughes t-shirts out there. This is why most teams don’t sell t-shirts of EVERY freaking player.
I wouldn’t extend Chamberlain into the 8th inning on his first few times back. He’s already thrown 1 pitch.
one pitch one out…sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
long awaited return is a sucess 1 pitch 1 out and the pen wiggles out of trouble
1 pitch-1 out
I still have no idea why Joba is coming out of the BP for this season. I just hope we don’t live to regret this plan of workload.
Nick – on 27 pitches!
and that is why we love Joba (and the help from Jeter).
He has also gone 8 innings 3 times! Probably the most on the team.
Pete’s post was correct. The way this team is playing tonight, is exactly the way they needed to play all year. This is what makes this season so disappointing, they had the talent to be better than their record. But, during most weeks, games like tonight were, just that, one night.
But it would be good to see them start building for next season.
“I wouldn’t extend Chamberlain into the 8th inning on his first few times back. He’s already thrown 1 pitch.”
As long as the pitch wasn’t stylish – we’re good!
Brandon my thoughts exactly. I was hoping they’d shut him down the rest of the way. They could have had him pitch in winter ball as a starter to build up innings for next season.
What’s the deal, TK? Is Randy I yammering about you getting one that great innings (and everything else not nailed down), Livan Hernandez? You bully…
Looks like Moose might be on his way to 17. Then Kim can continue to ask her vacuous neverending 20-game question: “Mike you just got your 17th win. Are you thinking that 20 might be a possibility now with X games left to play?
Moose: “I have to get to 18 first.”
Same interchange every time, with Moose responding the same thing every time, only changing the number of the game.
Yard!
SCHMITTY!!
why can’t we just send joba to the dominican winter league or something to get innings instead of using him out of the pen in meaningless games?
Exactly, Fran. He could pitch both games of a doubleheader.
If, you know, they still had those.
Alex gets the run back and moves on up the HR list.
That was Arod. Arod has done very well today. Arod also did very well in Detroit. That was Arod. Arod is hitting. Arod has hit with RISP. Arod is looking good.
That was Arod.
Okay I take it back, Pettitte also pitched 8 3 times.
Mr. Clutch! A-Rod!
I loved Jeter’s answer yesterday when asked how he keeps his players motivated while the team is going nowhere, he said “well if we win 25 games can we get in, just saying.”
TK, Chamberlain scratched himself, shifted things around, belched, broke wind and grunted, so it wasn’t very stylish…unless it’s in a restureant.
Brandon my thoughts exactly. I was hoping they’d shut him down the rest of the way. They could have had him pitch in winter ball as a starter to build up innings for next season.
Seriously I don’t think people understand the wear and tear his shoulder stands to suffer from this role. 3-4 times a week they think this is no biggy at maximum effort ? He should have been shutdown until winterball.
A-Rod’s approach has been so much better the last few days. Did Brandon get to him?
GB7 –
Maybe it is stylish in Nebraska? A cornhusking ritual?
“Seriously I don’t think people understand the wear and tear his shoulder stands to suffer from this role. 3-4 times a week they think this is no biggy at maximum effort ? He should have been shutdown until winterball.”
Hello, obviously the Joba rules are in affect, whether the Yankees come out and say it or not.
im liking wat im seeing the last 2days with the yankees offense
Joba needs to pitch at least 10 more innings this year. Anything under 100 innings is not enough.
seriously. the cow bells. make it stop.
Maybe Pat. He’s not squeezing the bat now. He still has trouble deciding when to go to right field. QUIT PULLING THE BALL, RODRIGUEZ.
J/K, Brandon
It’s pile on time!!!!! With Arod leading the pack with number 30. In the clutch, when it really counts, when the team needs it to keep its head above water and stay in the race……no can do. But when it really doesn’t matter..YES..big performance and the big smile in the dugout, gloating etc. It’s all in the numbers for our guys as they get ready for a sonombulant October.
lol Pat, he might have.
brandon the yankees are going to ruin joba just like they have most of our pitchers.
they always go against conventional wisdom and try and outsmart themselves. i mean what is the upside to having a flame thrower who injured his shoulder, throw from maximum torque/velocity? especially since at best he’ll get 10 innings the rest of the year.
and now they want to start him in the pen again next year? they have no idea what they are doing, cashman is a fraud.
The only thing impressive about that post was the use of the word sonombulant.
Need all the 10c word you can with a post like that.
Congrats to A-Rod. Speaking of milestones Moose needs 18Ks to to pass Cy Young for 19th place all time on the K list.
TK, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa. Of course they don’t have restureants in those states. Here in Georgia, it’s a mating ritual. we’re trying to break our females of that habit, though.
“Need all the 10c word you can with a post like that.”
It is only worth a nickel spelled that way.
Lackadaisical work imo.
Ariel
I’ll take a 5 run lead over a 4 run lead anyday.
We will go 9-1 on this trip.
Our one loss will be in the 18th inning to the Mariners on Friday night, in a game which ends at 5 AM ET.
Blue Jays beat Twins 7-5 in a come from behind win. You are welcome, Yankee fans.
I notice that Pete wrote “Mussina vs. Toronto hitters.”
Joba again
I missed Joba on the mound. I’m glad he’s back.
JB (Blue Jays Fan)
I think you’re the first one that caught that.
¨The only thing impressive about that post was the use of the word sonombulant.¨
Actually I think Shakespeare back there misspelled it anyway.
Thanks JB.
well it was news to me. I just got here because my game ended. Now watching Rays vs. Yankees on YES. We get YES, FOX, etc through Rogers Extra Innings.
um, Joba – we need outs…
LOL, TK – I thought pointing out it was spelled wrong would be too harsh after the effort that went into using it. I was going to throw antidisestablishmentarianism at her, but I afraid I’d spell it wrong and I couldn’t think of a Yankee context to use it in. That wodss gotta be worth at least a quarter though.
*words .. grrrr
I HATE courier font. Its ugly and not proofreading friendly.
anyone worried about jobas lack of velocity?
Umm where’s Joba’s velocity?
Even a Joba that’s not 100% is more effective than anyone else we’ve got in the pen except you know who…
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
The only people I trust out of that pen are Joba and Mo!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
“anyone worried about jobas lack of velocity?”
Not in the least. He hit 96 a few times. Same thing is going to happen that happened when he went away for a few weeks to be with his father. He has to build up his arm strength again, he’ll be rusty, and he won’t have his great control right away.
Angel –
triple word score!
It’s pretty slow!!! Joba is injured and shouldn’t be pitching. His velocity is way down!
lol, yeah it gets a C for effort and an Epic Fail for execution, Bronx Jeers.
Gameday had Joba at 94. FWIW
//We will go 9-1 on this trip//
Um, did you forget we have 3 in Cali?????
I say 3-6. That’s more in line to what this team has been doing all year!
Don’t get all excited because the Yanks best pitcher won a game tonight. You have 4 other under-achieving pitchers in that rotation!!!!!
Please bring Joba back for the 9th.
(insert winky emoticon)
There’s probably an arm strength issuse. I also think his time as a starter this season has taught him he doesn’t need to try and throw 100mph every pitch to get outs. He started to become a pitcher instead of a thrower trying to blow everyone away.
Yep, I fit it across two scrabble gameboards, TK.
I’m hoping they told Joba to scale back and not throw maximum velocity being his first time on the mound in over the month, otherwise this is very concerning.
Err strength *issue.
Joba should finish this game. Use these games where the score isin’t close to stretch him out.
Its the first time he’s thrown in a game in a month, and his velocity is being overanalyzed already?
Joba sat 93-94 hitting 96 mph. He didn’t really have control of anything. It’s what not pitching in a game for 4 weeks will most likely due to you. This is, as you all are aware of, a REHAB game for him.
1.1 scoreless innings! Woo! Hope he comes out for the 9th. No sense in using Mo.
Even Joba in his scaled back velocity throws harder than Hughes and Kennedy.
Thanks for the good news JB! And keep up the good work against Minny.
yea i looked at the gameday pitch by pitch…much less scary than the 88 that YES was showing
*due = do
*****INNINGS EATER UPDATE********
Livan’s partial final line: 5.1 innings, 4 ER, 10.12 season ERA
I’m guessing he’s still hungry and is likely on his way to one of Denver’s all-you-can-eat restaurants to fill up on more innings.
*****DEVELOPING*******
Giese for the 9th?
so glad to have him on the mound, our phenom joba was the only positive thing of this season.
Lets go Yankees
Welcome back Giese!
Nick -
Livan was handed a 5-0 lead and coughed it away.
I guess it happens to every gritty, gutty, innings eater who “knows how to pitch”, once in a while.
Too bad out next two games aren’t flipped. I have more confidence in Pavano pitching than I do Rasner. Sux are off Thursday so a win would at least help us make up some ground.
Meanwhile I hope the O’s kick the crap out of them tomorrow just to make up for tonight’s humiliation. Yet I see the O’s pitcher is TBA and Sux have Dice-K. So that doesn’t sound too good…
* our next two games
So I guess we did indeed have the Joba-Giese caddy
Nice to have Giese back.
“I’m guessing he’s still hungry and is likely on his way to one of Denver’s all-you-can-eat restaurants to fill up on more innings.”
I’m starving… we got any innings? I guess I’ll have to settle for chipotle.
I call conspiracy here. 2 tendinitis guys back in the same game?
Dave D, you are correct.
But on a positive note for Livan, I’m told that the Rockies just voted him a full non-playoff share.
get off the dl, get on the mound. the best way is to get back on the horse
Just take 2/3, win series, that is all.
can anyone confirm or deny whether pete is a yankee fan or not? and if not- what team does he root for?
as a loyal reader, its never occured to me that he could be anything but a yankee fan- but you never know i guess.
Livan = 2009 Yankee Homeless Man’s Right-Handed Version of CC.
The ticket burning is scheduled for March 30th.
“whether pete is a yankee fan or not?”
Not a Yankee fan. He’s just a fan of good stories, or so he says.
anyone seeing the score of the marlins-braves game?
14-14 in the 8th
“I call conspiracy here. 2 tendinitis guys back in the same game?”
Oh sure – Next you’ll tell me that John Wilkes Booth acted alone.
Jordan, he’s a beat writer. He’s NOT a Yankee fan, why would people think writers should only be fans?
“Next you’ll tell me that John Wilkes Booth acted alone.”
You’re thinking of Hal Holbrook. He often acted alone.
Nice work by Giese!
I know it’s a long shot but you never know…Giese and Joba could prove valuable this last month…
You gotta play all the games…
Difficult? Yes…Impossible? NO!
Let’s Go Yanks!
Jordan:
I could not do my job well if I was a fan of a particular team. I like many individual players and root for them to stay healthy and play well. But as a writer, I want a good game and something to write about. It benefits me professionally if the Yankees win but I’m not a fan.
I’ve been covering baseball in one form or another since 1995. Can’t really be a fan of any team.
Yeah!!!! Moose wins. The Yankees win.
We got to see our current Ace Mussina and future Ace Joba in the same game, the two positives from this season.
Yankeees win
Nice win by the Yankees. See you all tomorrow.
Trisha – have fun at the game tomorrow night.
I love the Yankees! And AROD too!
Project Moose 20: on track!
Project Joba 100: on track!
Project Undefeated Road Trip: on track!
Moose now sits alone at 35th place all time in wins.
I sort of assumed he was a Yank fan as well. You know based on the cynicism. I guess being a fan of the team you cover is probably frowned on. Makes sense.
Glad Moose got his 17th win…now I am off to watch some politics!
Pete works for a newspaper he does’t have to a fan of any team
great game and a great win!!
I’ll take 25 more just like it
where was this earlier in the year?
Moose get a win! YAY
Now that the playoffs are safely out of reach, A-Rod is gearing up for a September for the ages.
its nice to be happy…several reasons today…moose getting #17…joba returning…giese returning…and all in all good play
I think the cynicism just comes with being a reporter maybe?
I imagine I’d be a hell of a lot more cynical than I am (and I’m pretty cynical at times) if I did Peter’s job.
“Meanwhile I hope the O’s kick the crap out of them tomorrow just to make up for tonight’s humiliation.”
Trisha, how thoughtful of you to be so concerned about the welfare of the Baltimore Orioles. Just kidding you!
This is not like Boston or something…were the kids aspired to write about their hometown team than play for it.
Thanks Fran! Protect poor Carl from the grizzlies here!
Check you out once the SWB game is over tomorrow!
GO YANKEES!!!
BOSTON WON
I think Ariel got a new name and gave up on the 10c words, lol.
Thanks a lot for that response Pete. Nice to know that you still get around to reading the forums.
Although I find it hard to believe that you aren’t a fan of any team (you must have liked some team growing up), I understand that if that is true that you wouldn’t want to share that, as it may lead us readers to believe you are biased.
But based on everything you write, it is clear that you show no bias at all which is refreshing on a Yankees blog.
Thanks again, and sorry to have to say this, but,
Go Yanks!
Pete with that said what is it like in Beantown in the press box were the media applauds the hometown team?
Isn’t that stuff frowned upon by MLB?
Would you guys pitch Mussina on 3 days rest so he could get an opportunity to start the final game in Yankee Stadium? As it stands, he is scheduled to miss it by 1 day.
He would have 3 more starts until that game too (Seattle, Tampa, Chi Sox) so he could be in line for 20 or already have it.
“Now that the playoffs are safely out of reach, A-Rod is gearing up for a September for the ages.”
You bet!
Moose audio: http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Moose_Sounds_audio_clips.aspx
“You’re thinking of Hal Holbrook. He often acted alone.”
Wow – he played ‘Deep Throat’ in all the President’s men right?
The circle is closed.
(I will not be mocked out of frequent use of appropriate emoticons by you and your henchwoman mel
)
Llime:
Yes. We were discussing that at the office today. If he has 19 come the last game, the consensus seems to be a resounding yes! Give him the start.
*wishing for some ants for Fancy Pants*
Nice win. Mussina not great-usual 1-2 baserunnerss per inning but gets out of trouble. Nice to see Joba back and Giese. Joba next year will probably be limited in innings pitched. Do not feel Pettitte has the stamina to go a full season and because Joba will be limited, maybe Pettitte can stay home and return, ala Clemens, to the team in mid June.
We need to sign two FA starting pitchers, which will allow us to trade some of our minor league pitchers for athletic young position players.
“Would you guys pitch Mussina on 3 days rest so he could get an opportunity to start the final game in Yankee Stadium? As it stands, he is scheduled to miss it by 1 day.”
Considering there’s nothing else to play for at this point, why the heck not?!
As I said before, the Yankees will only lose 3 games this month.
If nothing comes out of this season….I really would like to see Moose get 20. The guys deserves it, especially after wasting so many years in Baltimore.
BTW. did anyone notice how Kruk and company were silently bashing Steve Phillips on Baseball Tonight last night? Kruk had some tounge-in-cheek comment in the background after EY or Buck mentioned Steve and you could here him change his voice to immitate Steve, and he said “I’m never happy” in a whiny, Steve Phillips kind of way.
IT was really funny, and I hope I wasn’t imagining it.
Oh boy Mets BP
Brandon
Did they blow another one?
Cecil Fielder Jr. chokes
TK, I was thinking more of his famous portrayal of Mark Twain in his one-man play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSlyyzUR78
And I do not mock your emoticons, I’m just too lazy to figure out how to use them here.
“Peter Abraham
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Jordan:
I could not do my job well if I was a fan of a particular team. I like many individual players and root for them to stay healthy and play well. But as a writer, I want a good game and something to write about. It benefits me professionally if the Yankees win but I’m not a fan.
I’ve been covering baseball in one form or another since 1995. Can’t really be a fan of any team.”
Pete,
That was the best explanation you’ve given on this subject. I apologize for my previous comments on your loyalty.
And the magic number drops to 18 with 24 games left.
“Would you guys pitch Mussina on 3 days rest so he could get an opportunity to start the final game in Yankee Stadium? As it stands, he is scheduled to miss it by 1 day.â€
Baltimore has hit Moose hard, I’d rather he miss them to get a better chance at 20 wins. Let Andy take the last game at Yankee stadium since he has the Yankee legacy. Moose can have the last game of the season at Fenway to get another start to try for more wins.
The Mets BP of Stokes,Feliciano and Smith keep the game tied at 5 going into the 10th.
Is GI Joe rocking a Mo Hawk cut ?
Wow. I’m starting to believe this year again.
Girardi
Moose got outs when he needed to…. Garza’s 95 mph sinker was tough to elevate…. “We were able to tack on”…. Joba getting Baldelli in the 7th was big…. Joba threw some 95-96 and said he felt a little out of whack and that’s why the velocity was down a little. Timely hitting tonight just good baseball…The plan was Moose for 2 hitters before bringing in Marte…. Adding Joba, Giese and Coke is nice to spread out the work a little with new arms.
Damon
Played well…we’re playing and we’ll see what happens…On Nadt HR: Nady is one strong guy and he got lucky I guess…Moose was dealing, every pitch right on or just off the plate…Important to look day to day and just try to make up 1 game a week…
Are you guys sitting ? The Mets BP wins again.
pat,
I think that Girardi’s the king of understatements. “We were able to tack” is “We wiped the smirk off that young whippersnapper’s face”.
Wow. I’m starting to believe this year again.
Explain..
Moose
I made some tough and good pitches and they got some hits…Hinske running gave us a break…got a break on offense too with Garza throwing the ball away…Win 17 is 1 more than 16 but we’re just trying to win games… we battled and the bullpen was solid again…worry about todays game today.
Boston has to finish 12-12 and Yankees go 19-5. Impossible-NO. Need to start by sweeping Tampa and Seattle and taking 2 out of 3 from Angels on this road trip.
Joba
As a competitior you want to be out there…my mechanics were all over the place but at the end there was a 0…physically I felt great.
Now, the real fun begins. The home half of the inning vs. Mets bullpen’s 1 run lead…
mel
I’m a big fan of understatement. It keeps expectations realistic.
Pat- need to make up 2 games a week to have a chance.
2 more out needed Ayala
The only chance Milwaukee has is Bill Hall
Well the Mets BP survives.
Brandon,
I was into rebuilding this team for weeks now. A girlfriend of mine just yesteday said to me there’s a chance they just might go back to the team they were. I just have a feeling Wendy might have something.
Just a hope
1 more
run big boy. run
This is the scare tease before the next out.
Yankee Trader
Going into Boston 3 or less back before the last games of the season seems to be what they are shooting for.
Gabe Kapler looks high in his gameday foto. Pretty funny. Can he do it?
Gabe Kapler looks high in his gameday foto. Pretty funny.
Yup.
SA,
Am I reading it right? You want the Mets to win?
Ayala pitching hurt but he’ll get this final out. This is what Mets fans go through, thank god I’m not one.
Whoooooaaaaaaa Nellie.
See there was scare tease. He’ll get this out, he has too.
Well, that was interesting. Mets fans must age a year with every game they play.
MIL chokes in the crunch. They aren’t going anywhere. You can’t lose to Luis Ayala and call yourself a contender. Philly and Atlanta won’t let that Mets BP get away w/ these close ones.
Ayala, Schoenweiss, Feliciano, Smith, Heilman, and Sanchez will NEVER get big outs in Wrigley Field in a close game.
And Wagner in the playoffs is like Scott Shields in Fenway.
I heard a nasty rumor about Wagner and how he might have hurt himself, but I have no idea if it’s even remotely credible.
Kruk on ESPN said Joba is best for the pen. I really don’t get it did nobody pay attention to his 6 weeks of brilliant starting efforts? I will always pick an Ace starting pitcher over the best set-up guy in baseball. How silly you have a future Roger Clemens and you want him getting 80 IP a year.
Nick,
Ooohh. Share.
Al from BK, it’s some kind of conspiracy of dunces. I can’t explain it. Sometimes it infects this blog too.
Well, the rumor is that he was driving drunk and hit someone else’s car. Had both cars towed himself to keep it quiet.
It may be complete fiction, it comes via the internet from a guy whose brother knows somebody who knows somebody who works at an auto body shop… like that.
Passan is a Yankees basher and overall prick.
Who the hell is John Kruk ? Answer a nobody when it comes to breaking down pitching. Really I take his comments like I take my daily trips to the bathroom.
SA,
Am I reading it right? You want the Mets to win?
Oh no no no no!
Was just following along!
Does anyone know about html and how to add a simple text add?
Two things: Remember when the Yanks were drawing less than 3 million a season despite setting an AL wins record, and GS was threatening to move the team? Well, I bet the Rays will draw a heck of a lot better next year if they win the pennant (if not the WS).
As a Yankee fan, I am annoyed that now that we’re out of the running, we’re just helping the BloodSox by beating the Rays. We should forfeit the rest of our games against TB.