Game 138: Yankees at Rays
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- September
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YANKEES (73-64)
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady LF
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Molina C
Mussina RHP
RAYS (84-51)
Iwamura 2B
Upton CF
Pena 1B
Floyd DH
Aybar 3B
Hinske LF
Bartlett SS
Gross RF
Riggans C
Garza RHP
Mike Mussina (16-7, 3.41) vs. the Toronto hitters.
Matt Garza (11-7, 3.53) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees are 7-5 against the Rays this season and 29-28 against teams in the AL East. … Yesterday’s win evened their road record at 33-33. … A little leftover weirdness from yesterday: Of the 17 hits, 16 were singles. … Mussina is four wins short of winning 20 for the first time. If he goes every five days he would get five more starts after this.
THE QUEST FOR 82: The Yankees need to go 9-16 to finish with 82 victories and a winning record. It’s not a lock given their schedule:
@ Tampa (3)
@ Seattle (3)
@ Los Angeles (3)
Tampa (3)
Chicago (4)
Baltimore (3)
@ Toronto (3)
@ Boston (3)
That’s 16 games against legit playoff contenders and six against teams (Toronto and Baltimore) who have played the Yankees tough this season.
CHASING SCHMIDT: A-Rod needs one HR to catch Mike Schmidt for 12th place all-time with 548. But he is a career .247 hitters at Tropicana Field with 16 HRs.
ON A ROLL: Mariano Rivera’s last six games: 8.2 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 1 walk, 7 strikeouts. 98 pitches/62 strikes.
HERE IT COMES AND THERE IT GOES: Edwar Ramirez has allowed 13 homers in 72.1 innings in his career.
WHO’S HOT: Johnny Damon and Bobby Abreu are each 8 of their last 17.
THE YANKEE PIRATES: Ross Ohlendorf is scheduled to start for Pittsburgh tomorrow night. Jose Tabata in 22 games for Erie: .348/.402/.562. Three homers and 13 RBI.
Back later with some updates.
UPDATE, 5:56 p.m.: Joba Chamberlain and Dan Giese were activated today. … Tampa Bay activated Troy Percival.
UPDATE, 6:13 p.m.: Brian Cashman was over at Steinbrenner Field today and spoke to Hank, Hal, Jennifer and Felix Lopez, among others. There was no formal meeting and the subject of his contract did not come up.
UPDATE, 6:25 p.m.: Joe Girardi was asked about Sidney Ponson staying in the rotation. Here was his response:
“Right now our rotation is what it is. We haven’t talked about any changes.
“He’s done it before. Obviously he didn’t have the sink yesterday that he’s necessarily has had. We need to get that back. You go to work in the bullpen and see if you can straighten things out.”
What about using Aceves or Hughes?
“We’re talking about sending a rookie possibly out there who doesn’t have a lot of starts in the big leagues. It’s not like we have Cy Young, Steve Carlton, you know, waiting in the wings. If we did make a change, you’re talking about youth. They don’t have the experience.”
Ponson is 0-3, 8.75 in his last five starts.
UPDATE, 6:28 p.m.: Shameless plug: I’m going to be on ESPN News around 6:45 p.m.
UPDATE, 7:37 p.m.: Great catch there by Upton. Meanwhile, how is a team with Aybar, Hinske, Bartlett, Gross and Riggans as their final five hitters in first place by five games?
UPDATE, 7:42 p.m.: Terrible job by Hinske, who never looked at the third base coach, Tom Foley. Of course Aybar should have been sent to the plate in the first place on Damon’s arm.
UPDATE, 8:21 p.m.: I don’t know if Jeter did that on purpose, but that little hesitation seemed to screw up Bartlett.
UPDATE, 8:30 p.m.: Holy smoke, Nady hit the catwalk. This is first game at the Trop, too. 3-1 Yankees.
Giambi now has 13 RBI in his last 10 games and leads the team with 86 this season. Nady has nine dingers for the Yankees and 22 for the season. He has 27 RBI for the Yankees and 84 overall. Great season for him.
UPDATE, 8:53 p.m.: 5-1 Yankees as Damon and Jeter drive in more runs. This would be a nice win for the pinstripes but Boston is clocking Baltimore.
UPDATE, 9:06 p.m.: We’ll have to find out later what happened. But Nady needs to call Jeter off and catch that ball.
UPDATE, 9:21 p.m.: Hal Steinbrenner is said to be here and Felix Lopez (Big Stein’s son-in-law) is for sure. But Hank Steinbrenner is nowhere to be found.
UPDATE, 9:31 p.m.: Were I a fan of the Yankees, this game would annoy me. Where was this kind of play all season when they needed it? They get 12 games down and then put the smack down on the Rays.
Great start by the Moose. He’s on his way to No. 17.
UPDATE, 9:43 p.m.: Lots of Yankees fans here and they were shouting “Moose” as Mussina walked off the mound.
There are also a lot of empty seats. Nice fan base here. The team is in first place, playing the Yankees and they can’t fill the place.
Joba warming up.
UPDATE, 9:51 p.m.: How did the Yankees go from not using Joba in the middle of innings last season to now using him in the middle of innings in his first appearance after a shoulder injury?
But, at any rate, here he is and in a big spot. For the record, he was out four weeks.
The just showed a fan on the scoreboard waving a sign that read, “Rays Rule, Yankees Drool.”
Incredibly, it was an adult. Must not be Mensa Night here at the Trop.
UPDATE, 9:57 p.m.: I would hope Joba stays in the game instead of bringing in fire-starting Edwar Ramirez or Jose Veras.
UPDATE, 9:59 p.m.: 21,629 here tonight and at least half of them are Yankees fans. How bad is that?
Meanwhile, A-Rod just tied Mike Schmidt for 12th all time with 548 homers.
And the Big G doubles for the first time since July 2. It’s all coming together for the Bombers.
UPDATE, 10:26 p.m.: Joba was hitting 95, which is what you wanted to see. Now Dan Giese gets to return in a low-pressure situation. More rest for Mo, who last pitched on Friday.
UPDATE, 10:33 p.m.: Yankees win, Moose wins, A-Rod homers, Joba pitches again. All is well.
Depending on the noise in the clubhouse, I’m going to try and get some Moose audio.
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that nady/marte trade isin’t looking so one-sided anymore. tabata is raking and smacking XBHs all over and stealing bases, and it was a mistake to trade him. i dont even care what the pitchers do, they were not apart of out future anyway. ohlendorf can be a very good late inning guy though. that was such a dumb trade though for a team that was not winning the WS this year anyway. nady/marte would not put us over the top.
“nady/marte would not put us over the top.”
it could of been if the rest of the team performed
The Tabata trade 5 years from now will be the Kazmir trade.
People laughing about it for years to come.
Tabata IS the next Manny.
mark007, 20/20 hidesight is great. where were you before? Get real, ok?
I have found this season to be a great dissapointment
Wasn’t this the type of short-sighted trade Cashman has been trying to stay away from?
Now they’re shooting for .500? Come on Pete!
how about getting with the program? Why don’t you jump on the team and come on in for the big win? (Name the Movie)
Hey that would be a good motto for the rest of the season.
The Strive For .5(Hundred That Is!)
At the beginning of the season who ever would have thought that the Yanks would be coming into this game struggling to get a playoff spot and the Rays in 1st place.
“Tabata IS the next Manny”
Such a definitive statement for a guy who is currently in AA
Can you give him a few years of top production first
the yanks will have far more then 9 more wins this season!
6 games to get four wins for Moose – it is the last thing worth rooting for this season besides the young’uns.
Go MOOSE!
Interesting article on Arod
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-arod083108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
to say that tabata is the next manny and that the trade was bad only shows the resentment people have for the yankees and/or the season they are having…time will only tell how bad the trade is or could be….cashman felt his team was making a push (which they were at the time) and wanted to add a piece…
Some people are so stupid. It’s a small sample for Tabata. He is still showing very little power.
need more role players on this team such as:
doug mientkeiwictz, alex cora, andy phillips, aaron guiel, dave roberts, greg zaun, nick punto, tony clark, david newhan, miguel cairo, jose valentine, mark loretta, ruben gotay, alberto gonzalez, daren erstad, greg dobbs, reggie wiltis, bubba crosby, marlon anderson, adam kennedy,
mike lamb, david eckstein etc.
if we want to win we need to add more players like this to the roster.
John McCain and Abel:
Can you copy and paste the article (can’t view yahoo at work)? Thanks!
tabata = the next manny…
thanks for the laugh. needed that today.
Passan is a long time Arod basher. Those onscure stats someone created should be taken with a grain of salt, his overall production can still not be questioned. It would be great had he come through with a few more timely hits this season, but his season has still helped the Yankees. Their problems go far beyond a guy hitting .300 with 30 home runs, let’s keep our sanity here.
Tabata is the next Manny? Wow…next thing you know we are going to have fans that think a guy hitting .300 with 30 home runs and good defense is hurting our team! Oh, wait…maybe Tabata IS the next Manny…...
Passan is a jerk.
I like the pitching matchup and the lineup. Let’s give it one last go. Go Yankees!
From mlbtraderumors.com
“Yankees pitchers Andy Pettitte and Mike Mussina have Type A status (Mussina is on the borderline). It makes sense for the Yankees to offer arbitration to both.”
I don’t get the free agent valuation formula if the formula values Andy over Moose – how far back does it look?
TKinDC – i think i remember reading the last 2 seasons…
If Girardi hadn’t channeled Dusty Baker by leaving Marte in to throw 50+ pitches in 2+ innings against Texas, he would have looked much better. It is certainly an adjustment going from the NL Central to the Al East, but the manager can help a guy out a little. That was half of a starter’s workload on a career reliever, against Texas hitters in Arlington. No big shock that it ended with a game ending HR, and some time nursing the injury for Marte.
If these guys were 3 month rentals I would say the Yankees gave up too much, but they are both under contract for next year also, so it still looks good for the Yankees.
Where did Fatcessa get the idea that they would move Jeter to CF? It’s not a bad idea, but theres no way the Yankees do it.
Joe-
Good post.Tabata is the next Manny mentally.
Montero might be the next Manny physically, with talent.
How many Manny’s is enough!!
Pete-
“Edwar Ramirez has allowed 13 homers in 72.1 innings in his career,” and that’s without a fastball!! You could say the same about Farnsworth whose allowed 14 homers in only 52.2 innings just this year and can toss it in there in the high 90’s.
Tampa Rays
-I wonder how many come from behind wins they have this year. Their starting pitching ranks up there with the Angels, and missing their two best offensive threats hasn’t slowed them down, as every night it’s a different person/persons stepping up.It just goes to show you-playing for your payday motivates you along with good coaching, and long term contracts-allow players to rest on their laurels.
“I don’t get the free agent valuation formula if the formula values Andy over Moose – how far back does it look?”
Most recent 2 seasons. Recall that Moose SUCKED last year. He’s barely scratching out A status on the strength of his outstanding ‘08.
Yanks probably don’t gain much by offering arbitration to Pettitte. He’s not going to play for anyone else, so no draft pick compensation would be forthcoming.
Mussina is interesting. Yanks have to offer it to him. I think he’d likely accept and comeback for a year.
Pete, the hate for edwar gotta stop, did he diss you in the clubhouse? same with Girardi….
NOW…. Tabata is nothing, because he is gone, but before:
http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/top-30-prospects-3-jose-tabata/
http://yankeeprospects.blogspot.com/2006/12/prospect-profile-jose-tabata-2.html
http://www.nyyankeefans.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t23032.html
TK, Andy has been honored by the Yankees in stadium giveaway bobblehead form. I don’t think the Moose has. That tells you all you need to know.
As a Sox fan you guys have my support tonight! Beat those Rays so the Sox can win the division!
Thanks!
Fredo –
After Pettitte’s last start I said jokingly that Andy is trying to set up a comeback year like Moose has had this year by pitching horribly.
My concern with Andy is that something might be wrong with him physically and that he is simply pitching through it. If that is NOT the case – I don’t want him back. If he is limited physically, then I would want to know if he could return to form next year.
Nick –
I don’t hear you promoting Pettitte’s Pez Dispenser. Milk Chocolate is the highest form of flattery – just ask George Herman Ruth and Reginald Jackson.
“Jose Tabata in 22 games for Erie: .348/.402/.562. Three homers and 13 RBI.”
You guys are gonna regret that one BIG TIME.
yeah Tabata is the next Manny, maybe but get back to me when he plays in AA he is in A..
Ramirez is better then Kyle today…...........
I am happy with the marte and Nady acquisition.
Can I go totally off topic for a minute? I need your wisdom—well, that is from any of you who are into fantasy football. I have Carson Palmer and Eli Manning on one team. Who should I start? In other years I’d go with Palmer, no question, because he usually puts up big numbers. But I feel like there’s this weird, instability around the Bengals that makes me nervous. I wonder if Eli might be the safter choice. Any thoughts? (and then go back to your regularly scheduled baseball game)
Does anyone know what first round draft picks cant be taken if you sign an FA? I think it is any pick from 1-16 but I am not sure. I am hoping the Yankees fall low enough so that they can sign FA’s at will and not worry about losing our 1st round pick. Right now, we have the 10th best record in MLB. I think if we fall to the 15th best record we wouldnt lose our 1st round pick. Maybe somebody can give me accurate info. Thanks.
Bill from NJ, that article isn’t worth the minute it takes to read it. Just another hit piece by some writer who is jealous of A-Rod.
safer
I know, proofread before posting…
Alan, were you saying “the yankees got Nady AND Marte, for absolutly nothing?!?” shortly after that trade?
TKinDC
Status will compare all starters over the last two years 2007&2008, by rankings submitted by the Elias Sports bureau.
Type A is top 20%.
Type B is top 21-40%
Group 1:Outfielders, DH,1st B
Group 2: all other infielders
Group 3:Catchers
Group 4: SP
Group 5: Relievers
My understanding is for starters they look at:total games they appeared in,IP,Wins, Won-Loss%, ERA, Strikeouts.
If Pettitte is Type A offer it to him with the understanding he would decline, so we get two draft picks. He would probably retire and we could always sign him for 1/2 contract ala Clemens. Players have been willing to decline arbitration if they want to retire or opt for FA. That’s the least he can do to justify the 16M we spent on him the each of the last two years.
No I never said that.
I think it was a decent deal for a team going for it, but the Yankees probably should have kept the noobs.
Tabata isnt the next Manny. He couldnt hold his jock. Maybe attitude wise. Still havnt seen that Manny power. Its not like playing in new york with the spot light on you. Maybe he just couldnt handle the pressures and expectations in new york. Who knows and who cares. You have to give something to get something. We recieved a lefty we have wanted for years and Abreus replacement. Ill take a known commodity over a maybe 3 years from now any day.
Look at Ledee and Rivera. Does anyone regret those trades?
Fredo:
You’re right-forgot that Pettitte unlikely to pitch for anyone else unless Houston still interested!
Nothing wrong with the trade. Nady and Marte have done a good job in NY and will be better next year.
The pitching options aren’t pretty if CC decides to go to the West Coast. Its basically AJ Burnett (whom I think is dying to be a Yankee), and the possibility of coaxing Moose or Pettitte (perhaps both) back.
Unless of course, they work out a trade for an arm.
I don’t think they will move on Sheets because his medicals aren’t pretty.
$5 says Tabata is the next Ricky Ledee.
S.o.S.27
Is that Ruben Rivera or Juan Rivera?-you were referring to the former, Mariano’s cousin.
SJ:
what first round draft picks cant be taken if you sign an FA? I think it is any pick from 1-16 but I am not sure.
Isn’t Melky hitting somewhere in the .400’s? What does it prove that Tabata is going anywhere playing in A level and hitting in mid .300? Only that he can hit in a league where players typically do hit well.
SJ,
I think more or less CC is going to the West Coast. And I honestly think it will just cost too much for us to get him. Burnett would be nice.
I think Pettitte is done, however. Bring Moose back for another year, but let Andy walk.
Ruben
Yankee Trader, if Pettitte opts out even though the Yankees offer him arbitration, there are no draft picks. Unless you think MLB is into giving gifts of draft picks, which they aren’t.
would the yanks sign sabathaia burnett and say another reliever we need a shut out reliever sombody like scott shields were kan u find that reliever
Rather, if Pettitte retires…
Open question: What are people’s thoughts on Ryan Dempster from Chicago?
Steve, good post about role players, but seriously, Tony Clark? The mile high strike zone is what I call him. The anti-Eddie Gaedel. Need an easy out in the middle of a potentially damaging inning? He’s your man.
“That’s the least he can do to justify the 16M we spent on him the each of the last two years.”
Seems to me that justifying that is on Cashman moreso than Pettitte.
If no CC…
Wang
Burnett
Joba
Mussina
Pettitte
?
“Open question: What are people’s thoughts on Ryan Dempster from Chicago?”
My opinion??? He’d have to show me twice.
I think he’s going to re-up with the Cubs, but I’m not buying in til I see him do it again. He’s been a pretty ordinary pitcher for a big chunk of his career. His ‘08 came from nowhere.
I am obviously this board’s biggest proponent of the Moose Bar and I bow to no one in my respect for Yankee chocolate (which sort of sounds like it’s about Oscar Gamble and Mickey Rivers, but it isn’t), HOWEVER, neither the Baby Ruth nor the short-lived Reggie Bar were manufactured as small-scale charity/vanity projects.
I’m not sure what my point is. Oh, that it makes sense that Andy and Moose should both have top free agent status.
“If no CC…
Wang
Burnett
Joba
Mussina
Pettitte”
I would replace Andy with Lowe.
SJ44
Is Burnett keen on becoming a Yankee? That means he wouldn’t have the guaranteed 3-4 wins a year against us by pitching with Boston,joining his ex-teammate Beckett!!
What about Dempster, age 31. “Rumor” only was that Chicago has enough starters and need to resign Wood that they might not offer him a FA contract. Even if his ERA rose by 1.0, it would still be lower than most anyone oon our startin staff, except Joba, and dempster had showed good durability this year.
IMO- We need two solid starting pitchers from FA market to allow us to trade some of our minor league pitching talent for young athletic position players.
“SJ:
what first round draft picks cant be taken if you sign an FA? I think it is any pick from 1-16 but I am not sure.”
Picks one thru fifteen are protected. The Yankees pick in ‘09 will almost certainly NOT be protected. Their comp for the Cole pick is protected.
cc
burnett
wang
mussina
pettite
When they traded for Nady and Marte, they were coming off a good post-All Star game winning streak, and still had Joba healthy in the rotation. They were still very much in contention at that point.
As SJ44 points out, these guys should be helpful to the Yankees next year, too.
So I wouldn’t blame Cashman for trading Tabata to get them.
Funny how:
Many people wanted to have instant results rather than prospects, and said they wanted to package & trade up-an-coming types for veteran guys like Bonds, Manny, Griffey Jr etc.
Yet now many of them basically say Tabata is the man (as if he’s the real deal right now) and we should’ve kept him.
They also disregard that Nady is a pretty good outfielder who solved an immediate problem (at least at his position) partly caused by one of the up-and-comers (Melky) not doing too good … right now. Injury to couple veterans was a key reason to trade for Nady too.
Further, Nady isn’t too green to do it at the major league level (right now) and he still has a future.
So basically, some sounded like they wanted to play this year with an OF consisting of NY’s AA-AAA-rookie-level guys instead of Damon, Abreu & Matsui, while some apparently wanted to replace all 3 OFs with an OF of even-further-over-the-hill and/or even-more-over-the-budget guys. This year. IMO we would have been even worse off if a move or two was made in either direction.
After relieving the vet OF(s) with Nady, the best move may have been sending Melky down.
Anyways, NY traded for Nady & Marte. It cost them Tabata & Ohlendorf. It costs something to get something. Live with it. We’re not in bad shape with the two we got in return.
This off season I could see one or two of the ‘08 opening day big three OFs (Matsui, Damon, Abreu) being traded or allowed to walk. Personally, I’d like to see Matsui stay and spend time between OF & DH, which would allow the team part of what it needs (the DH) to safely buy out Giambi. I think Damon could be seen the same way, and Abreu (although he’s afraid of the wall) is better suited to play the field every day. I’d feel better about parting ways with either as long as good OFs replace them. In order of preference, I’d part ways with Abreu first, then Damon, and lastly Matsui.
If you’re worried about ‘09 and ‘10, then never mind Tabata. Apparently he wasn’t going to be ready for a couple years. From the sounds of it, no other prospect currently in the system is that close either. This team needs to look at the 2009 OF as consisting of Nady, one of the big three (Matsui/Damon/Abreu), one of the big 3 being the 4thOF/DH, plus an all-star potential outfielder through some kind of acquisition.
If that acquisition can be had by FA (as long as he’s not named Manny) or by packaging Melky, a pitching prospect not named Hughes, and/or the third of the big 3, then it should be done. For that, NY should be able to trade for a serious OF (or even two) who’s under 30, not on the decline, and under a reasonable contract for a few more years.
Tabata becoming an all-star in ‘12 or ‘13 could still mean nothing would have come from him in NY in ‘09 and ‘10. I think the team’s trying to bridge that gap while not sacrificing ‘12 and beyond.
“Interesting article on Arod
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-arod083108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
I think Peter should re-post this as a feature post. Finally a stat which backs us up, and so completely.
Ask this on an earlier blog. When was the last time both the Yankees and the Braves didnt make the playoffs?
“IMO- We need two solid starting pitchers from FA market to allow us to trade some of our minor league pitching talent for young athletic position players.”
YT,
Right now, Phil Hughes is the only pitcher that brings back a talented, young position player. Yanks have pitching depth in AA/AAA, but it’s not top quality depth. Better prosepcts are in the lower end of the system and not as highly regarded as Hughes….yet.
“I think he’s going to re-up with the Cubs, but I’m not buying in til I see him do it again. He’s been a pretty ordinary pitcher for a big chunk of his career. His ‘08 came from nowhere.”
It did, it most certainly did, but I’m wondering if at 31 he’s one of those pitchers whose coming into his pitching prime later in his career.
I’m just wondering if he might be more cost effective and less injury prone than a Ben Sheets or a AJ Burnett. Then again, he pitched 66 innings last season and is at 176 innings this year. Kind of seems like an excessive jump, and knowing the Cubs tendency to over use arms, this could be an injury in the making.
“Ask this on an earlier blog. When was the last time both the Yankees and the Braves didnt make the playoffs?”
1990
I am not giving up on the Wild Card for 2008 just yet! But I will say, the pitching in 2009 looks infinitely better than it does in 2008 and that reason tied in with the pitching of say a Tampa and/or Boston has me thinking that last game of the year in Yankee Stadium might spell the end! I am a 7 year season ticket holder now with the Bombers but when I was offered tickets for next year I jumped on the idea of selling my last game ever at Yankees Stadium tickets for nearly a grand total: http://www.esellout.com/ResultsGeneralAtVenue.aspx?kwds=New+York+Yankees&venid=68 So my loss was a gain as well! I am set for 2009 when the stars are lined up and Jeter and Jorge rebound with the refreshed and healthy staff!
Let’s Go Yankees! But if we can’t win…I hope The Rays pound the $#!t out of Boston!
Oh and perhaps perhaps perhaps, maybe a prospect could be almost close enough when Matsui or Damon’s contract runs out. Not counting on it but if that guy’s not ready until maybe there’s something that could be done in ‘10 like a 1-year extension to a vet’s deal. At least by keeping Nady & one of the big three, we wouldn’t be sacrificing 1/3 of the OF in both ‘09 and ‘10.
“Ask this on an earlier blog. When was the last time both the Yankees and the Braves didnt make the playoffs?”
1994
Tabata is in AA, not A.
aj burnett is just another pavago waiting to happen all over again for the yanks. i’ll pass, thanks.
Phil Hughes won’t bring back what he once could. He’s a 9.00ERA pitcher with a history of injury problems. If we trade him now it would be the definition of selling low.
S.o.S.27
“When’s the last time both the Yankees and the Braves didn’t make the playoffs/” Good question for the Schwab!! 1990??
SJ44 – why do you think AJ Burnett is dying to be a Yankee?
Fernando:
Depmster has a few 200 IP seasons under his belt, so the big leap in innings may impact him less than it might some others. Still, this season went so far beyond anything he’s done before, I’d want to see more before signing him long term.
When the Yanks & Braves last missed the playoffs wasn’t a trick question, but saucY still comes up with a trick answer!
1990 Yankees 67-95; Braves 65-97 both the worst records in mlb that year.
Thanks Fredo.
Suacy,what can i say. Im not surprised with your answer. The funny part is i was going to put obviously not including the 94 strike year. Next your going to tell me the Expos were the best team in 94 and would have won the Series.
“Phil Hughes won’t bring back what he once could. He’s a 9.00ERA pitcher with a history of injury problems”
Still think he’s the type who could be the centerpiece of a trade for a good young bat. While a little prone to injury, none of what he’s had are tied his arm. This was a bad year for Hughes, but I still think people around baseball see this youngster as a potential high end of the rotation guy.
Sorry Saucy- but when was the last time both the Yankees and Braves didn’t make the playoffs when it wasn’t a strike shortened year?
“1990 Yankees 67-95; Braves 65-97 both the worst records in mlb that year.”
Twins and Braves both went to worst to first enroute to the 1991 World Series, which in my opinion, even though I had no horse in the race, was the best World Series I’ve ever witnessed.
“S.o.S.27
“When’s the last time both the Yankees and the Braves didn’t make the playoffs/†Good question for the Schwab!! 1990??”
The schwab has nothing on this blog. He probably comes here to get his info.
So does Cashman. But im sure you already knew that.
Yankees had the best AL record in 1994, Montreal in he NL.
Whats up with all the 09 rotation predictions in here today?
Let me go out on the limb here:
09 rotation-
CC(Will sign with us for biggest deal around 6 years 140 million.)
Wang(Back healthy after June Lisfranc tear.)
Joba(Don’t let the Yankees brass fool you, hes still a starter. However he may have to spend a month or 2 in the pen.)
Moose(Will return following a very successful season for a 1 year deal.)
Hughes/any combo of Rasner/Ponson.
“Twins and Braves both went to worst to first enroute to the 1991 World Series, which in my opinion, even though I had no horse in the race, was the best World Series I’ve ever witnessed.”
Fredo
1A. Twins/Braves
1b. Yanks/d-backs
Tough call.
Pete – I love your work, but you need to take it easy on Edwar. What, did he p*ss in your Red Bull or something? 6 of the homers he’s given up were given up over 20 innings last year. He’s given up 7 over 50+ innings this year.
Edwar’s a more than serviceable mid to late innings reliever. This year he’s holding opponents to a .668 OPS. That’s pretty darn good.
I’d say Edwar has actually exceeded expectations this year, and represents a great pickup by Cash & Co.
Why do people want to trade Hughes, or even Kennedy? Both were disappointments last year but look at Pelfrey – he was jerked up and down between bigs and the minors and had a rough 2007. Looked like a bust, and even in the early going this year. Now he is their second best starter after Santana. They are both young and inexperienced. I know it is tough to develop pitchers or others on the Yankees with their win-now attitude (and rightfully so with ARod in prime of his career) but they should wait on dumping Kennedy and Hughes. Both still have IMO bigger upside than the minor leagues trumpeted by posters here.
*meant this year for hughes and kenneyd
Fredo-
As I was living in Atlanta at the time and rooting for the Braves, Bobby Cox was outmanaged, by keeping his slumping players in key spots in the lineup, and the last game was a doozy Morris against Smoltz. 1-0 ten innings.
“1A. Twins/Braves
1b. Yanks/d-backs”
I’d put Cincinatti/Boston just ahead of the Yanks/D’backs, but ‘01 obviously had it’s share of drama.
Fredo –
I believe you be right. The Joe Carter & Bill Mazeroski WS walk-offs aside (they were single moments) that ‘91 epic between Minny & Atlanta was indeed the most exciting world series, start to finish.
I’m not old enough to remember watching any WS before the Big Red Machine’s 7-gamer with Boston (another exciting one) so others may have different opinions or memories of a better WS. But at least in my memory that was the best WS.
“Why do people want to trade Hughes”
It’s not about wanting to trade Hughes. It’s about recognizing your needs and knowing that it will cost something to get something. Let’s say hypothetically, that the Padres were content to go with Kyle Blanks as their 1B next year and are looking for a nice package to move Adrian Gonzalez, a guy who fills the young 1B need the Yankees have. You going to have a problem moving Hughes as part of a package to get Gonzalez???? I know I wouldn’t bother me.
Al from BK
Would be happy with the 1st four of CC, Joba, Wang and Mussina, but no way will Ponson and/or Rasner be back.If they are the 5th starters we’re going to have another miserable year. I certainly hope Hughes is ready but can’t count on him either.
Go for 2 FA starters, then you can trade away some of our pitching prospects for young quality, athletic position players.
The yankees’ goal should be to get within 3 games of the Red Sox by the time they play them at Fenway at the end of September. Then you theoretically have a chance to get in the post season. Not going to happen, but I’m just sayin…
Hughes = Homer Bailey. Another pitcher who just didn’t pan out.
“I’d put Cincinatti/Boston just ahead of the Yanks/D’backs, but ‘01 obviously had it’s share of drama.”
I’ll take your word for it. I was too young and worried about not crapping my pants at the time.
Adrian Gonzalez for Hughes? In a heartbeat.
“Hughes = Homer Bailey. Another pitcher who just didn’t pan out.”
Arent they a little young to already write them off? There arent manny Doc Goodens out there. Patience might help.
“I’ll take your word for it. I was too young and worried about not crapping my pants at the time”
I had an affinity for those Reds team. With apologies to the 1998 Yankees, the 1975-1976 Reds team (basically the same for both years)was the best I’ve seen, period.
I was stunned to see Boston hang with them. Lot of drama in that series. One downside was it took about a week to get Game 6 in due to rain.
YT –
If NYs rotation has CC, Joba, Wang & Moose, and they’re all healthy and pitching well, then making a 5th starter out of someone like Hughes is something the team could be patient with.
Wang & Joba coming off injuries could be a little bit of a concern. And, hopefully, Joba pitching from the ‘pen the rest of this year is (again) temporary.
Signing CC & Moose would have to happen too. But yes, the 4 of them would have the potential to be a serious rotation.
And, hopefully, Hughes would be ready to become that 5th pitcher.
If those are our 5 guys and our karma next year is the opposite of this year’s (or at least neutral) then things could be far better than this year. But this year is testament to the fact that you can’t count on anything because anything can go wrong.
I guess that’s why they go out & play all the games.
I try not to go back and learn about them. Lets just say that Joe Morgans continueous bragging about his team turned me off. Its like the 72 dolphins to me. Players stuck in the past.
“Adrian Gonzalez for Hughes? In a heartbeat.”
You’re sort of making my point. Trading Hughes does not = giving up on Hughes. Just as trading Tabata doesn’t mean the Yankees gave up on him. They got two legitimate commodities in the Tabata deal and would most certainly see an even better commodity by trading Hughes, who is a desireable commodity in his own right.
Why isnt anyone sold on my 5th starter Lowe? He could eat up innings and keep is in games. Isnt that what we need till the youngsters get their innings up?
“I’ll take your word for it. I was too young and worried about not crapping my pants at the timeâ€
Many of the fans in Boston were sharing your worries at the time, SoS. But it was because they were old enough to watch that world series, not because the were too young to.
Now that statement only applies to Kevin Youkilis when he flails after getting buzzed by a Joba Chamberlain heater.
If this was ‘04 then I’d say maybe Lowe was worth a look, SoS, but this ain’t ‘04.
SJ,
Any chance Joba heads to AzFL to boost his IP?
“Many of the fans in Boston were sharing your worries at the time, SoS. But it was because they were old enough to watch that world series, not because the were too young to.
Now that statement only applies to Kevin Youkilis when he flails after getting buzzed by a Joba Chamberlain heater.”
Freakin hillarious. Hands down funniest post of the day.
Fredo
Yes, Boston played above their ability to even compete with that Cincy team in ‘75. That was all part of the drama, along with the perpetual frustration culture from the Boston side.
But that also shows ya why they play the games.
Why not just bring back Pettitte instead of Lowe?
The problem is we had to rely on him more than we should have. Instead of getting Santana and moving everyone down a spot like we should have, we brought Pettitte back to be the #2 and be the stopper. He isin’t that guy anymore… he is a gritty guy who will have good games and bad games but he will eat innings and can throw 120 pitches everytime. Kind of like how the Sox view Wakefield.
Remember in ‘96 … There was an up-and-coming team that wasn’t supposed to be able to compete with a near-dynastic team in that world series. That year’s series turned out to be pretty exciting too.
Still, ‘91 was the most exciting.
Ansky,
Im not saying to bring in Lowe for the second spot in the rotation. 5th spot. I could have said Sheets and Burnett. But im trying to be realistic in that we will land one dominant pitcher and get one for the back of the rotation. He has an e.r.a. of 3.6. For a 5th starter id take that.
Wangawa—If you look at the upcoming schedule, our pitching rotation and the way these sitffs have been playing, our chances of picking up 4 games on Boston before the final series (and they are playing very well) is borderline impossible.
Even if we sweep the entire week and the series against the Angels, it will be tough to make up 4 games in a few weeks.
Has this been mentioned? Asbury Park resident cited for impersonating Joba:
http://thecoaster.net/wordpress/2008/08/28/asbury-park-man-cited-for-impersonating-yankees-pitcher/#more-3294
“Remember in ‘96 … There was an up-and-coming team that wasn’t supposed to be able to compete with a near-dynastic team in that world series. That year’s series turned out to be pretty exciting too.”
Braves died like dogs after that Leyritz homer, which looking back was the true beginning of the dynasty stretch. Talk about momentum turning on a dime. What a mooment.
“There was an up-and-coming team that wasn’t supposed to be able to compete with a near-dynastic team in that world series.”
Cant wait till we can get the 2000 version of the next up and coming team.
The fat lady hasn’t sung yet. It’s the heart that really matters in the end. Let’s go Yankees.
Still, SoS, not even the 5th slot in ‘09 for Lowe.
Sure, anything could happen in a given year but I just don’t see him as being any more than that. I’d think someone else could come along (Hughes or someone else) to take/earn the 5th slot in ‘09, and have a shot at becoming more than that after ‘09. Probably cheaper than Lowe would come too.
Don’t know that this team’s infield is built for a Derek Lowe-type pitcher.
Cashman on with Francessa now
“Don’t know that this team’s infield is built for a Derek Lowe-type pitcher.”
Wang…
go yankees
People criticizing the trading away of Jose Tabata are being silly. Both Nady and Marte can be effective ML players for at least several more years and they did, in fact, look to be just what the yanks needed at the time of the trade. Tabata, while he projects well, had become a disappointment and the yanks didn’t know what to do with him.
The fact that the yanks have problems in their player development department is, however, something that should concern all yankees’ fans. They have had real problems developing their young players over the years and the Tabata situation just might be another example of that. The small sample size on Tabata’s time in the Pirates’ organization doesn’t tell us all that much, but it might mean that the Pirates know something about how to deal with young players like Tabata that the yanks don’t know. And, that if the yanks don’t know, he never was going to develop with the yankees, so his loss really isn’t much of a loss.
Marte allows the Yankees to wave goodbye to Abreu. Marte, when used correctly, has been effective. Criticizing this trade is something a negative nancy would do. Tabata was talking about quitting baseball, wasn’t doing anything in AA, and had major attitude questions. You have to give up talent to receive talent. Ohlendorf, McCutchen, and Karstens are all expendable and Tabata was clearly far, far away from the majors. A small sample size of ABs in Pittsburgh’s system isn’t going to change that.
Nady allows the Yankees to let Abreu walk*
I do think Cashman is going to shop Hughes/Cano around. He has been preaching for years how he wants to get younger and more athletic in the field and he has expressed disgust with the offense this year. There are going to be a lot of trade rumors regarding those 2 this off-season… they are our only real rade chips. Nobody is going to give us value for Kennedy and Melky.
“Has this been mentioned? Asbury Park resident cited for impersonating Joba”
In terms of intelligence:
NY Subway Rat > Girls from New Jersey
This will disappoint the many people who want to dump Phil Hughes, but it’s pretty obvious that he is not going anywhere. Fredo, you said earlier that trading a player doesn’t mean you are giving up on him….it means that you just need to fill a need somewhere else. Maybe that’s true in most cases, but I’ll bet 95% (at least) of Yankee fans would not have wanted to give up Phil Hughes for anyone at the beginning of 2007. He had some absolutely outstanding moments and some struggles – like most youngsters – and now he’s trade bait by fans who are just ridiculously impatient. The Yankees obviously feel that Phil is going to be an outstanding pitcher and they intend to give him the required time to grow and develop into that role. I guess that will upset a lot of fans, but it’s the right thing to do.
hey everbody enjoy the rest of this season…bb is a beutiful game we aint makin the playoffs so… injoy it. save the agida for next year!
I’d just sit Joba for the rest of the year…why risk it if they aren’t going anywhere? Send him to winter ball if they want him to work, but let him recuperate further.
FWIW – I have tickets right behind the Yankees dugout. First row!
Okay, it’s the SWB version, but I will be going to the games at McCoy Wednesday and Thursday. Just thought I’d mentione it. And I did get tickets in the row right behind the dugout for both nights.
If anyone is interested I will try to take some pictures and post them. If you’re not I won’t bother.
*mention
Who is Tina Fay?
About Ponson pitching again:
“He’s done it before. Obviously he didn’t have the sink yesterday that he’s necessarily has had. We need to get that back. You go to work in the bullpen and see if you can straighten things out.â€
“We’re talking about sending a rookie possibly out there who doesn’t have a lot of starts in the big leagues. It’s not like we have Cy Young, Steve Carlton, you know, waiting in the wings. If we did make a change, you’re talking about youth. They don’t have the experience.â€
One thing I am convinced I have an abundance of is common sense. These are exactly the reasons I gave for Girardi sticking with Ponson in earlier threads. I would like to say I have brilliance beyond belief since I didn’t see a lot more of these kinds of responses, but it is so painfully common sense it isn’t funny. Not brilliance alas.
That said, when you don’t armchair GM or get too worked up I think it really is easier to see things more objectively. Or something.
only 1 untouchable player –
joba the ace
everyone else can be had for the right price
ponson will continue to start because he is better than hughes or kennedy lol aceves deserves a shot though
Good job Girardi.SAying the truth we don’t have staters who can make a big differance and that means Hughes.
I wonder if wizards like Steve sit at the community computers at the their library daily and actually LOL? The 80 year old librarians probably slap them with a book to quiet them down.
ESPN News gave your blog a nice bump there with “best on the web” at the end of your covnersation.
You guys are such idiots!!!!! Getting ahead of yourselves in regards to Tabata. He goes on one hot streak and you idiots get all delusional. It’s only a hot streak, he will cool off. He has never shown that he can hit like he is. The next Manny? LMAO!!!! He hasn’t even come close to showing that type of ability. What a bunch of deluded morons, and you call yourselves Yankee fans!! You guys are nothing but an embarrassment!!
“Brian Cashman was over at Steinbrenner Field today and spoke to Hank, Hal, Jennifer and Felix Lopez, among others. There was no formal meeting and the subject of his contract did not come up.”
Sorry, but, Cashman is lying. I have it from an anonymous source from inside the organization that it’s a done deal. The only thing keeping it from being official is Cashman and the Steinbrenners are covering up an injury to Cashman’s contract signing hand. He is actually scheduled to fly to Birmingham tomorrow morning to consult with Dr. James Andrews.
“ESPN News gave your blog a nice bump there with “best on the web†at the end of your covnersation.”
I put on ESPN News and didn’t see Pete or anyone that looked like him. What gives?
Have to agree with you bob!!!!! These so-called fans are complete morons. How they can continue going through life as stupid as they are is beyond me!!
Trisha, he was on there. In order to protect himself, PA and ESPN agreed to electronically alter his voice and appearance, though, in God’s name anybody would be foolish enough to chose Steve Phillips to look and sound like is beyond me.
One thing needs to be corrected. Tabata doesn’t play for the Erie Seawolves he plays for the Altoona Curve. Being from Altoona I felt the need to say that.
GB – LAUGH MY BUTT OFF!!!!!
I hope it wasn’t Pete who asked Girardi again about Ponson. Because if it was it would only mean that Pete couldn’t deal with the fact that he called it wrong and didn’t figure out why they would stay with Ponson!
No offense Pete.
We win some, we lose some, and some are rained out.
Pete – I didn’t say it was you. I only said I hoped it wasn’t.
By the way, how pathetic is it when reporters continue to ask the same question. Aren’t they only supposed to report and not interject their personal feelings? (What about “Ponson is still in the rotation” was tough to interpret – unless of course the brain surgeons couldn’t figure out the obvious reason and needed to ask why this was happening. Or if they think the questions needs to be asked since so many of their flock can’t figure it out and continues to walk in circles, then I guess the question is worth something…)
Anyway – GO YANKEES!!!
GB –
Well I put on Sports Center first and then switched quickly to ESPN News and didn’t see him either place.
Trisha – have fun at the games. Where is McCoy?
I forgot that this stadium has the stupid cow bell guy looks like mute tv tonight
McCoy is in Pawtucket, RI (pronounced pah-tuck-et by the locals as opposed to PAW-tucket, the way I’ve heard Ken Singleton pronounce it.
The stadium is really no more than 10 minutes away from my house – but then RI isn’t real big. But big enough that you can drive more than 10 minutes! It’s a pretty nice stadium, all redone. But I have to bet it doesn’t rival SWB. I know when the Trenton Thunders played in Conn., I went to games there and their digs were amazing.
I forgot Garza doesn’t need to throw any pitch other than his fastball to get our hitters out.
Ponson is a no-talent fat pig!!!!!
“Ponson is a no-talent fat pig!!!!!”
Oh well.
albaladejo is pitching with the SI Yanks tonight
I hate the Trop. As if the cowbells aren’t bad enough, the heckler hasn’t been heard from yet.
I swear to God, if Peter Abraham keeps it up with these snide digs and Ponson and Rasner and my other favorite Yankees, I’m going to protest by continuing to post on his blog.
I’m not bluffing, Mr. Peter Abraham, don’t try me!
Oh, I mean, go Moose.
Nice inning from the 50 million dollar threesome.
“Nice inning from the 50 million dollar threesome”
necessary?
Go Moose.
Let me guess. Another loss?
Trisha –
Enjoy the games at SWB.
I was out all day and tried to do a little catching up here. I must say, it’s awfully depressing.
But I did want to add my 2 cents regarding Tabata. How quickly everyone forgets what an enigma he had become this season. His production was down, but I think some of that was expected, given the promotion to AA ball, and his coming off an injury. I think what was more befuddling was his demeanor. I believe many people wrote about this at the time. And also wrote how difficult it must be for someone of his tender age to make such a cultural transition, etc., etc. But even with all that said, Tabata was not traded because he was problematic this season. He was traded because at the time the Yankees had the opportunity to pick up some players who could potentially give them a boost in the second half of the season as well as into next season at least. One of the players was a pitcher, Marte, whose name was mentioned here as a “must have” for the Yankees. The second player, Nady, was seen as someone who would be an improvement in the outfield over just about everyone the Yankees already had and someone who could make an immediate impact.
Even in a perfect world, Tabata was a couple of season away from helping the big league club. And players like Nady and Marte in a package were not going to come cheap. Tabata was the cornerpiece of that deal. you have to give to get. None of the pitchers will be missed, regardless of what they go on to do. If Tabata ends up being a good NL player for the Pirates, well, that’s all fair in baseball. But there’s no guarantees.
To the person who said the Pirates might develop young players better than the Yankees, I would just say, really? The Pirates? of Pittsburgh, PA? They’ve been mired among baseball’s dungheep for years. If they’re developing players so well, they must be doing it somewhere else.
Great start for Moose so far.
Enjoy the game, all.
I swear to God, if Pete persists with these snide jabs at Ponson and Rasner and my other favorite Yankees, I will protest by continuing to post on his blog.
I’m not bluffing, Pete, don’t try me!
And go Moose. Again.
Rays up there window shoppinp tonight.. “May I help you? no just looking”
the 2 Ks were great – but a walk??? really???
“Phil – 27 in ‘08
September 2nd, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Who is Tina Fay?”
Just got back. Not sure if you were trying to correct my spelling or not. But tina fey was on Saturday night live and is now on 30 rock. I think she is running for vp with John Mccain now under an a.k.a. of coarse. Thanks for making me double check my spelling Phil.
“Obviously he didn’t have the sink yesterday”
After watching that start – I needed a sink – or a bucket
Too many pitches for Mussina in the first inning. I’d prefer 1 and 2 pitch outs and get him deeper into the game.
Robbed
wow, A-Rod got robbed of an extra base hit…
Ouch. That was a great catch by Upton and it hurt.
Instant replay would have been nice in the Sox/O’s game as the ump gives the Sox a gift call as Hernandez is safe at homeplate! Unbelievable!!
Thanks Doreen! I guess it will fun. I’d feel better of course if I were going and the Yanks were 10 games up in the division. But I know I can count on you and Fran to keep the positive vibes going in here. (And other compadres of course.)
You are a soul sister in terms of optimism until there isn’t any reason to have it.
5 batters, 3 popouts. Great offense.
ouch…Nady had it…
S.o.S.27(Tina Fey for VP?)
Nice! She is Greek. Can’t go wrong with a Greek.
Hey we’re tagging some of the balls. That’s a good sign yes? I mean he isn’t a total K machine.
That catch by Upton was sick.
“Too many pitches for Mussina in the first inning. I’d prefer 1 and 2 pitch outs and get him deeper into the game.”
Maybe he is trying to give Joba more innings to pitch. Knowing his innings need to go up.
My fantasy football team, rate it.
Roethlisberger, Ben QB PIT
Johnson, Larry RB KC
Parker, Willie RB PIT
Bowe, Dwayne WR KC
Wayne, Reggie WR IND
Welker, Wes WR NE
Heap, Todd TE BAL
Brown, Josh K STL
Colts DST CHI
Hasselbeck, Matt QB SEA
Stewart, Jonathan RB CAR
Bruce, Isaac WR SF ARI
Lewis, Marcedes TE JAC
Cardinals DST
I personally don’t care if Tabata is in AA or A, until he’s in the Majors and proves himself, he’s one thing, a prospect. One thing I’ve learned in my time covering prospects, potential is that, and far from a guarantee.
He’s doing well, that’s great. He’s got tremendous capabilities, if he’s able to take advantage of them and mature, he’ll be an excellent player.
If his coming to the Majors isn’t for another four years, however, I don’t see how you can argue with the trade. Austin Jackson is going to be in the Majors before Tabata and has shown more capability IMO.
Trisha – I’ll be here to keep the faith. As long as the Yankees are mathematically alive, there is hope.
Why would anybody care about your fantasy fooball team
Man, even my Sox-fan-friends are rooting for the Yanks in this series. That’s never a good sign.
Great play by Upton, we really could’ve used that hit.
I don’t know what is more annoying – that stupid bell or Michael Kay.
A- – FOR NOT HAVING Peyton
A FOR HAVING Marvin
Trade for Manning!!
what a great catch by BJ Upton. Man I can’t wait until they call up Jackson so we could have someone to go get em like that.
Michael Kay makes me want to scratch my ears out.
I would have to give up everyone to get him.
wat the hell were the rays thinking hahahahaha
What, now Bobby Meacham is coaching 3rd for them too????
I can’t believe we’re losing to these guys.
How lucky were we!
GO MOOSE!!!
runner wasn’t looking. Why didn’t he try to run back to second? could he have?
Wow, this looks more like a first place little league team.
X Nady 0.298
J Bay 0.312
arod should of ran out hinsike and tagged out Ayabar
whoa
“I would have to give up everyone to get him.”
Aaaand? You want to win dont ya? 2 words for you. Franchise player.
Honestly i know nothing about fantasy ball. Cant get myself to root for another teams players. Good luck.
Two base running blunders by Hinske. Big break so far.
Infield in with 1 out in the second inning. That says a lot about our offense.
And what good fortune that Aybar was ahead of Hinske so grandma running Hinske was left on base?
Forget about them being in first place by 5 games they have the BEST record in all of baseball. SOme wonders never cease but it happens.
Jon Jester > Integrate( factorial(Phil Hughes), 2008, 2020 )
Whats wrong with Kay? I can only see the Rays TV coverage.
“arod should of ran out hinsike and tagged out Ayabar”
Hinske was kneeling on 3rd base by the time A-Rod got the ball.
OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS!
Hey speaking of which, did you all see that one of Clemens son was arrested for assault? Really nice family they have there.
On paper, the yankees have the better line up by far; however, the rays are filled with those gabe gross-type role players who have gotten a ton of clutch hits throughout the course of the season.
oh my lord…need to score now, can’t believe Moose got out of that
Upton should ask Maddon if Hinske is going to get taken out of the game for a bone-headed play.
I think the better question might be “what’s RIGHT with Michael Kay”
Trisha – maybe it was roid rage! (just kidding)
Well yeah okay it occurs to me that Matt Garza is tossing a NO HITTER…
Now we’ll see for how long or whether I’ve been jaked all these years.
“Clemens son was arrested for assault?”
Disorderly conduct.
Fran –
(hey you never know!)
I though I read assault. Never read the article. Too busy watching the Yanks.
Can we get a hit?
Is it a hit? Is it a hit?
HA HA HA HA HA! Go jinx!