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Cashman’s call is what counts

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 03, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The New York Post ran a story today that said the Steinbrenners have decided they wanted Brian Cashman to remain as general manager.

That has been the case since spring training. Hank Steinbrenner has said it several times since. Hal Steinbrenner has been less vocal about it, but it is believed he wants Cashman back as well.

The real question is whether Cashman wants to come back and only he knows the answer.

The job has changed since he signed his last contract in 2005. Then, Cashman answered only to George Steinbrenner with Steve Swindal a rational presence as the team’s chairman of the board.

In the years since, the flow chart has changed. Instead of one owner, Cashman now deals with Hank Steinbrenner, Hal Steinbrenner, Jennifer Steinbrenner Swindal and even Felix Lopez, the husband of Jessica Steinbrenner.

The team also has changed. The Yankees are no longer a playoff lock. Cashman’s hand-picked manager, Joe Girardi, had a rocky first season and may be overmatched by the job. The young pitchers he defended have struggled. The young second baseman he committed to has regressed. The star players who helped define a dynasty are aging. If there was ever a time to leave the Yankees, this is it.

The Yankees are all Cashman knows and when it’s all said and done, he will probably remain with them. But he has steadfastly refused to discuss a new contract with the team, as recently as yesterday.

Cashman will have options come the end of the season. Philadelphia, for sure. Washington, perhaps. Maybe even Seattle if one of his mentors, Pat Gillick, becomes the team president.

Cashman is 41. He has worked for the Yankees since 1989 when he graduated from college. He has a high-profile job, but he’s like anybody else. Sometimes people want to try something new. Most of us have changed jobs at some point in our lives, many times in some cases.

The Yankees will have a busy offseason. But just how eventful won’t be certain until Cashman decides what he wants to do and that hasn’t happened yet.

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455 Responses to “Cashman’s call is what counts”

  1. TurnTwo September 3rd, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    He’ll be back.

  2. Warrior21 September 3rd, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Here’s to hoping that he stays!

    The next GM won’t have nearly as much clout as Cashman has.

  3. Gmarchese September 3rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    I think he will stay, he has waited for this offseason for a long time and i cant see him turning away now. It may be more people to answer too but i think it is more streamlined and not as crazy when just George was the BOSS. Why wouldn’t he want to atone for this terrible season and come back strong next year.

  4. Neil September 3rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Hopefully he leaves.

  5. TKinDC September 3rd, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Cash doesn’t seem like the kind of guy to do the unexpected – he’ll be back.

    I smell a poll question brewing here.

  6. Jeter's Future Wife September 3rd, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    isn’t this the off-season where he can make the most moves?

  7. crawdaddie September 3rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Pete,
    I can see why a large segment of Yankee fans can’t stand you nor your blog. Your bias against Girardi has no bounds. I refuse to defend you any further with other Yankee fans because your act is so obvious that is skews your reporting.

  8. Dave D September 3rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    The bullpen competition is going to be stiff next year. Assuming Mo/Marte are locks, then you have:

    Bruney
    Melancon
    Veras
    Edwar
    Coke
    Sanchez
    Britton
    Albaladejo
    Patterson
    Aceves
    Giese
    Robertson
    Not to mention guys like Kontos/Horne who are probably destined for the pen and could be nasty there.

    11-13 guys for 5 spots. And Girardi is probably going to take Giese/Aceves/Rasner or somebody as the long man, so its really only 4 spots.

    A pen of Mo-Marte-Sanchez-Melancon-Veras-Bruney-Giese is nasty.

  9. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 3rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    I hope Cashman comes back.

  10. Vincent Migliore September 3rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Cashman wants to see this thing to completiion. He stays

  11. LLIME September 3rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    I could see Cashman leaving just because this mess may be too big to clean up and he realizes it. Torre knew this was a sinking ship and I suspect Cashman knows the same. If CC doesn’t want to come here, we are screwed right off the bat and there is no successful off-season.

    There is going to be a lot of pressure on Cashman to fix this franchise. I wouldn’t be shocked if he doesn’t want that responsibility and bolts to a team like Seattle.

  12. Yanksrule57 September 3rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    The interesting thing is if he does not come back there is no obvious successor waiting in the wings.

    They could have Stick fill in until someone is found.

    But to me there is no one else that jumps out…., any other opinions?

  13. trisha - I support Sidney Ponson and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 3rd, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    I laughed myself silly reading this. Okay I didn’t laugh myself silly but it’s just another one of those things where so many readers fell flat on their faces.

    I guess I have trouble sometimes distinguishing here between whether people are just posting their wishlists or whether they really have no pulse on reality. Did anyone really think Cashman would be getting canned?

    I know I didn’t.

  14. TKinDC September 3rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    “Torre knew this was a sinking ship and I suspect Cashman knows the same.”

    Sure – that is why Torre flew down to Florida to try to save his job, because he knew what a lousy job it was.

    nonsense.

  15. Warrior21 September 3rd, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Trisha, no one thinks he’s getting canned. Everyone thinks he might leave on his own.

  16. mel September 3rd, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Cashman’s just doing what he expects all his free agents on the team to do.

    Worry about what’s important which is winning games. Don’t negotiate midseason. Don’t do it through the media. When it’s time, get it done quickly. Generous terms to avoid drawing out the process.

    I think he’ll stay to see his tree bear fruit. If he leaves, Hank will give away all the fruit. Do it for Phil, Cash! Do it for Phil!

  17. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut September 3rd, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    LLIME, that doesn’t make the least bit of sense that the Yankees are so broken that Cashman doesn’t want to stay, yet will go to a club with far less resources and is far more broken like Seattle.

    I don’t think that Cashman will leave, but if he does he does. The new management isn’t going to be anywhere near as tough to deal with, as it seems Cashman has gotten his way this past year, despite the words from Hank.

    There are a number of pieces Cashman could use in trade, a number of big contracts coming off the books, a few decent choices for FA signings. This seems like a GM dream season coming up, even given how this year has gone.

    Giambi will be gone. Abreu questionable. Pavano gone. Pettitte possibly gone. CC on the market, along with Burnett and Sheets gives some possible choices to take care of a long standing weakness with the Yankees… pitching.

    There are also some choices for replacement for 1st Base.

    Cashman is holding out for now, but I think there is a good shot he will be back. For better or worse.

  18. bdog375 September 3rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    I hate how Pete takes any chance he can get to undermine Girardi. Anyways, Cash is definitely going to stay. This should be seen as good, b/c he has made some great moves since taking full control – particularly in the trade market.

  19. Jeff NJ September 3rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Cashman, for the first time in his life, will be sought after by many suitors. He would be crazy to commit to the Yankees prior to testing the market. He knows the Yankees want him back, so he has nothing to lose by waiting, and much to gain. My gut tells me the Yankees will blow away the competition and Cash will finish the job he started and win the world series with his team.

  20. bdog375 September 3rd, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    mel, I am going to have to disagree in terms of waiting until the end of the season to worry about the contract. The reason is that for a player that applies, but not a GM. Once the season ends, he season really begins. Right now is arguably the slowest period there will be until February for him.

  21. mel September 3rd, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    People who bash Cashman really underestimate what he’s done. His forte seems to be mid-season trades. As the young arms get really good, we’ll be able to trade for those position players that everyone craves. You know the Cano replacements.

    These things go in cycles, just ask Shapiro and Dombroski. Cash has kept us close always been good about getting the team help, even though the players have totally mucked up.

    Hearing Kay tell the story about Cashman visiting with Pavano in Tampa was pretty moving, too.

  22. holdstrong September 3rd, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    Do you think one of the Steins will sit Cash down and explain to him that the Yankees are not a small market team and that he needs to stop acting as if we are one?

    I like Cash a lot, but he needs to quite the bad impersonation of Billy Beane. The A’s and the Yanks are two different clubs in two different situations. Payroll and hired guns are ok out here, so use this advantage.

    IMO he needs to stop relying on unproven young arms. Use the system to supplement the payroll advantage, not replace it.

  23. TKinDC September 3rd, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    “Cashman’s hand-picked manager, Joe Girardi, had a rocky first season and may be overmatched by the job.”

    The rocky first season part seems to be a simple statement of fact.

    The overmatched part is an opinion (which I don’t happen to share) but hey – it is a blog, he can have a point of view if he wants imo.

  24. trisha - I support Sidney Ponson and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 3rd, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Warrior, I’m talking about all the people who constantly wanted him out of here. I’m wondering if they really thought it was a possibility that he would be fired.

    Anyway, I don’t think for a minute he’s going anywhere and I am very happy with that thought.

  25. David September 3rd, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    I’m pretty sure he already left, given his inaction since July 31. He has let the teams in front of the Yankees improve, acquiring exactly the kind of players the Yankees needed, when he could have easily blocked them through the waiver process. I think amny people were on board with giving the young pitchers their shot, and I doubt anyone saw Cano regression coming, but not claiming Guardado, Byrd, Washburn etc is inexplicable. Maybe Hank told him to stand pat? That is the onyl explanation I can think of that could possibly make sense.

  26. #9 September 3rd, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    “Joe Girardi, had a rocky first season and may be overmatched by the job.”

    Pete – are you saying you do not think Girardi can manage?

    Or is it he just can’t manage the Yankees?

  27. SJ44 September 3rd, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Several of the reasons they are where they are have been by his own hand.

    There are two ways of looking at it. One, he can fix what he helped break by staying in the job, adding more qualified baseball advisors around him, and tackling the job that needs to be done.

    Or, he can rationalize why he needs to leave and do so.

    One thing he will find out if he goes elsewhere. The budgets will be a LOT smaller.

    Why is that meaningful? With the Yankees, mistakes can be handled because their budgets are higher. In other places, some of these glaring mistakes come back to bite you.

    Ask Bill Bavasi. Its a big reason why he lost his job in Seattle. He wasted a ton of money and made a bad trade for an overrated pitcher.

    You can survive those type of things in NY, and Cash has done so over the years. Not so easy to do it elsewhere.

    Its not easy to work for the Yankees. Lots of chiefs, few indians, and a LOT of internal politics.

    That said, its also the BEST job in baseball. Especially now with the new Stadium on the horizon.

    It just means that he has to realize that having absolute power means surrounding yourself with people greater than you in baseball matters. If he does, he will be able to fix this thing, and within 2 years, build a powerhouse again.

  28. mel September 3rd, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    bdog,

    True, but once he commits, it’s a done deal. I doubt he’s leaving for the very reason you allude to. If he left without warning, it’d leave the Yankees in some deep kim chee. I doubt he’d do that to the Yankees.

  29. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut September 3rd, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Girardi has been outmatched. What has Peter said that is wrong? He hasn’t gotten this team performing the way the should, has made some poor moves that blew games, kept going with Betemit then all of a sudden Betty is no longer to be seen.

    Unless you think that this has been a great season by Girardi. I haven’t particularly enjoyed it. He hasn’t shown anything that puts him as a top line manager.

    Peter said Girardi got off to a rocky start. Are you disagreeing with that? 10 GB isn’t looking like a solid starting season.

    Peter said he MAY be out matched by the job. Given the performances of his players, it looks that way. Do you think Maddon would have put up with some of the play that Girardi has?

    Get over your man-love for Girardi. He isn’t the answer and the honey moon is over.

  30. KING FELIX September 3rd, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    there goes pete taking shots at girardi again

    he did not look overmatched.

  31. CaptainsCorner September 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    I definitely think that Cashman will be back. He seems like the type of person who would want to write the ship instead of running away as soon as it gets bad. If he left after this season that is what he would be doing and everyone would know it. As he said he is the one who put the team together it is his job to make it better. I don’t see him leaving and I would think he would want to be here with the new stadium opening. He just needs to tell Hank to shut his mouth and things should be fine. Also lets be serious who is going to pay him as much as the Yanks will? No one…

  32. Vegomatic September 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    Slightly off topic, but with a slot for a pitcher remaining for the Yanks in the Arizona Fall League, why not send Joba along for the ride to build up more innings? It doesn’t look like he’ll be pitching in October for the big league club…

  33. Al from BK(J-E-T-S, JETS, JETS, JETS!) September 3rd, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Let Cashman go, he dropped the ball with Santana.

  34. ANSKY September 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    I agree with TK that the ‘overmatched’ part is just an opinion (one I don’t share either) which Pete is entitled to. Perhaps a little gamesmanship in the battle for openness about information. No biggie, I don’t think it Bothers Joe G.

    Anyone who has even a single working brain cell (anyone who doesn’t work there) should know whenever you read “the NY Post reports … ” whatever you read next could always be utter crap. Just a side note.

    Cashman should stay.
    I would think the higher ups would want that.
    I would think he would want to.
    The team and ‘the flow chart’ are different, but that’s not necessarily bad.

  35. djsunyc September 3rd, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    with ny press as bad as it is, why would anyone want to stay in this relentless impatient market other than for the money?

  36. mel September 3rd, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    David,

    You’re going to hang Cashman for failing to get Byrd and Washburn? Never mind that blocking teams is so lame. They’re not very good.

    Yes, I realize that Ponson and Rasner aren’t very good at all.

    But Cashman left it up to the offense. You want it? Then get after it.

    Cashman was probably not interested in getting a rental in Byrd and Seattle was unreasonable with what was essentially a salary dump.

    He set us up for ’09 with an OF with some pop and the lefty reliever that EVERYONE has been clamoring for. Remember Mike Myers? Want him or Marte? And the only part of the deal that hurt, was a good young prospect.

  37. The Balboni Curse September 3rd, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Buh Bye Cashboy

    Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

    You took this team from dynasty to history nearly single handedly.

    Inherited the 2000 WS championship team and since then is able to claim signing Pavano, Kei Iquana, Jaret Wright, Clemens for 28mil last year (that worked out as well as IPK this year).

    This guy needs to go unless you are happy with over-paid, over-hyped, lack-luster past their prime superstars.

  38. stuart September 3rd, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Peter with his daily Girardi dig.. MAY BE IN OVER HIS HEAD.

    PETER YOUR opinion of Girardi is not hidden real well.

    If the Yanks had a normal chain of command with limited parties involved it would make Cashmans life much easier and eliminate the confusion when things go right or wrong on figuring out who made the decision…

    to many cooks in the kitchen is a problem..

  39. Mrs. Kekich September 3rd, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Wow, people want Cashman gone because he didn’t block Paul Byrd to Boston? That is hardly the difference of the season.

  40. Brandon (90210 was worth it )..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 3rd, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Take Pavano and Clemens offf that list because NYer’s were chirping for him to get those. Other than that I wouldn’t re-sign Cashman just yet. Especially after hearing he has interest in Ben “where’s my MRI ?” Sheets

  41. Adam in LA September 3rd, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    I think Girardi has brought criticism on himself by consistently holding back injury information and often times responding untruthfully about same. He is also more given to meaningless plattitudes about how it’s only one game and the team is doing fine etc.
    I suspect he is trying to be neutral with the media in order to avoid controversy and to not get himself in trouble as he did in Florida. There are other Yankee beat reporters who agree with Pete about Girardi’s bending the truth about the injuries—Kepner and Feinsand come to mind–and there are also some writers who privately agree but haven’t “gone after” Girardi in the press.

    As to Cashman, I agree with post above about Seattle. Why would he go to a sinking ship instead of stay and fix things. The Philadelphia job is more problematic. The Phillies are contenders, they have a competitive owner, and the geography would allow Cashman’s family to probably stay in the same house/schools that they currently are in.
    In the end, Cashman will probably stay if he is assured the autonomy he supposedly already has and to see through his current legacy.

    The yanks clearly need to go after a starter and figure out their 1B/DH strategy, but they also need to address the third base coach/Robbie Cano motivator issue.

  42. harrs44 September 3rd, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Um, it’s kinda hard to call what Cash did before the trade deadline ”inaction.” He addressed all the team’s needs except for a starter, and the only reason for that is because no one was out there to be had. Well, he could have had Washburn if he’d met the Mariners’ ransom.

  43. Kill-Schill(ing) September 3rd, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    The Yankees could do much worse than Cashman. He’s no Terry Ryan or John Scheurholz or Dave Dombrowski. But I don’t know a better alternative.

    ****************************************************
    Posted this in the last thread:

    No one likes Oliver Perez? Hey, if we’re coveting pitchers who seem to pitch extraordinarily well against the Yankees he qualifies.

    Yes, I realize he’s a Boras client. He’s also only 27 however. 5 years for him vs. 5 years for Burnett? I don’t know. Which of the two is the greater risk?

    Burnett’s infintely more proven. But Perez is younger, seeming less injury-prone, and a lefty.

  44. Mrs. Kekich September 3rd, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Hey Balboni cusre, Cash was the GM on THREE title teams. Yankees don’t win it in 2000 without Justice, whom he got for nothing. Got the team to the playoffs EVERY year. Bunch of short-sighted “fans” here. Great, when Girardi and Cashman’s successor are both canned after another playoff-less 2009 you will be on here wondering what happened.

  45. djsunyc September 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    “Cashman’s hand-picked manager, Joe Girardi, had a rocky first season and may be overmatched by the job.”

    the word “may” is used but from reading pete’s blog the whole year, we know that word was thrown in b/c he felt he had to. a few blogs ago, he basically forcifully admitted to give credit where credit is due. so we know pete isn’t a big fan of girardi. that’s fine, it’s his blog and he can write whatever he wants.

    with that said, this is not a typical team, in a typical market. and yes, the lineup hasn’t hit…and nobody saw this coming (at least not a dropoff this big). and in situations like that, the manager takes the heat. but, with losing wang for the year, a hughes early, along with the joba transition, and relying on 25 and under pitchers in the pen, girardi has done nothing short of an EXCELLENT job with the pitching staff (example #1 in moose).

    so i don’t see how he’s overmatched at all. what i see is that the team needs to change some of it’s players so they can play a style girardi wants to. when damon + cano + even melky openly show they can’t bunt, then how can girardi manage the team like he wants to?

  46. mel September 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    stuart,

    Funny how the struggles of the hitters are due to the fact that Girardi’s in over his head.

    That Mo is responsible for at least 5 losses.

    That it’s Girardi’s fault that Posada got injured in the first place.

    That 21 of Alex’s 30 HR have come with the bases empty. (Okay, that was cheap. Just wanted to slide in that cool little factoid.)

    If Girardi’s in over his head, where would Mattingly be as a rookie manager, Pete?

  47. Beefeater September 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Are they kidding? Yesterday was one of the first times I actually sat down and watched a Mets game. (I was forced to sort of)
    I looked at Milwaukee supposedly one of the top teams in the NL.
    Weeks is the leadoff guy, hitting 232, Fielder, their big star hitting 265, Mike “has been” Cameron hitting 255, Bill Hall hitting 228, and Jason Kendall hitting 255.
    What sealed it for me that the NL for the most part serves a the purpose of giving jobs to players who can no longer play in the AL was seeing Gabe Kapler on the roster. Thats crazy.
    Oh, and lets not forget Tony Clark who still plays in the NL. What a disaster that league is. If the Mets dont win they should be disappointed

  48. keyswahili September 3rd, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    You guys are such morons!!!! Crashman has done a terrible job with this team for the past several years, and has done nothing but lead this team in the wrong direction. The number of mistakes he has made over the last several years, especially this past offseason which was a total failure has added up and caught up with this team. He is by far and away the most overrated GM in bseball. This team needs a GM who can get this team going in the right direction, and knows how to put a successful team together, and knows talent, qualities Crashman doesn’t have. Judging by your moronic comments that ain’t any of you retards!!

  49. Al from BK(J-E-T-S, JETS, JETS, JETS!) September 3rd, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    All kidding aside how is Gagne this bad when he was the best reliever in the game back in 03?

  50. keyswahili September 3rd, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    Girardi’s first season would have gone a whole lot smoother if he had a real GM who could support him by knowing what he was doing.

  51. Al from BK(J-E-T-S, JETS, JETS, JETS!) September 3rd, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    “Take Pavano and Clemens offf that list because NYer’s were chirping for him to get those. Other than that I wouldn’t re-sign Cashman just yet. Especially after hearing he has interest in Ben “where’s my MRI ?” Sheets”

    Oh boy. Thats reason enough to fire him, Sheets shouldn’t get more than a 3 year deal from anybody.

  52. 18-6 over the next 24 games ??? HAHAHAHAHA September 3rd, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    If the Yankees come home on the heels of a 10-0 road trip, then it is a LOCK that he stays LOL :-)

  53. mark007 September 3rd, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    past year -

    - trade jose tabata for nady

    - jerked joba between pen and starter and is putting him at a huge injury risk

    - traded type B free agent farnsworth for pudge who will net us no draft picks

    - didn’t trade for santana

    - guarenteed kennedy based on 3 ML starts a spot in the rotation

    - made hughes the #3 starter even though he was only going to pitch 150 innings.

    - didn’t trade matsui in the winter to clear up the DH.

    - didn’t put any veterans on waivers or block boston’s moves.

    - not letting hughes/aceves start and not letting miranda, gardner etc. play.

  54. The Balboni Curse September 3rd, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Sorry, the only teams he can claim credit for are 1999 and beyond, that gives him 1 WS championship.

    I am not as generous as others…let us not forget Mike Lowell, Kyle Farnsworth, Kevin Brown…

    He makes Theo Epstein look like Theo Einstein nearly everyday.

  55. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 3rd, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    How much is it Girardi being overmatched and how much has it been injuries?

  56. djsunyc September 3rd, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    beefeater, i was looking at that lineup, then i was looking at arizona’s the other day as well and i’m just shaking my head in disbelief.

    the NL is the best AAA league in baseball.

    if the mets don’t get to the world series, they should be dissapointed. the NL stinks so so so bad.

  57. Brandon (90210 was worth it )..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 3rd, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    In looking at it more closely Byrd is not a shut down SP, and him going to BOston might help knock them out of the post season. Santana for what he’s doing now and the decline in his velocity plus the commitment to multiple years after this season, that deal has Pedro Martinez consequences, like I said Johan isn’t the best SP in the league anymore and might not even be the best in the NL East.

    If those deals are the precedent to keeping Cash or releasing him I’d keep him. Now if you want the real negatives how about not having a viable # 3 SP not having a legit plan w/ Joba BP to SP, SP to BP and now BP to SP next season again. Self evaluations w/ Jose Tabata, the acquisition of Latroy Hawkins :? , Also trading FArnsy for Pudge who if he were not to call a good game would be the biggest bust trade this season, and don’t get me started w/ Damaso Heredia :roll: , Things like Jaret Wright can’t be forgotten, Jason Giambi’s role, Matsui’s health not dealing him, Robi Cano/Bowa seperating that, Damon’s health not having an athlethic OF, over evaluating Melky whoever did that should be fired, over evaluating Kevin Long, those were misses, Kei Igawa was a huge miss, Mike Myers (what people forget is Torre requested him after watching a video rundown of how he pitched vs our LHB) moves like those hold Cash’s future here in jeopardy. Whichever the decision will be the hope will be we get younger, more versatile, upgrade defensively and become a hitting team, not a group of bubble gum cards.

  58. Fredo Corleone September 3rd, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Don’t know whether he’s overmatched or not. He hasn’t done much of a job this year, but there were cirumstances that weren’t especially favorable. I don’t think he should be fired or anything and it’s too soon to say whether he’s overmatched or whether he was a bad hire. He deserves a shot to keep going as Cashman works to stabilize things around him.

  59. Jeff K September 3rd, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    I’m not sold on Cashman. I think he’ll stay with the Yankees next year. This offseason is too tempting to pass up. The Yanks need and want to make big changes and will let the GM go hog wild. Who could pass that up?

    Personally, I’m not all that impressed with Cashman’s philosophies and judge of talent. He’s a household name because he works for the Yankees, not because he’s a particularly good GM.

  60. E-Man September 3rd, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    The Girardi fan club is out in full force I see.

    This is 200 million dollar team people. It’s a playoff team. Girardi couldn’t bring them to the playoffs.

    For years, The Torre haters said, “Any manager could do it.”

    Well Girardi’s “any manager” and he couldn’t do it.

    Injuries, under performance are no excuse. EVERY team has that. Guess what? We’ll have it again next year too!

  61. mel September 3rd, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Fine. Get rid of Cashman. Who takes his place? Theo’s not coming here. Beane’s not coming. He wouldn’t know what to do with all that money. He only knows how to blow up and rebuild teams for a fanbase that has no expectations at all.

    Take your time thinking about it. Because the Steinbrenners have and they’ve decided that the best candidate is the incumbent.

  62. Fredo Corleone September 3rd, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    “In looking at it more closely Byrd is not a shut down SP, and him going to BOston might help knock them out of the post season”

    Agree with the 1st part. Byrd is nowhere close to a shut down SP. I don’t think that’s what Boston or anyone else would expect him to be. Decent innings eating guy is his upper limit.

    Not sure why you see him as someone who will knock Boston out of the postseason. I wouldn’t be sure he’d be one of their starters when/if they get there and he hasn’t hurt their cause to this point.

    Byrd’s a 4/5 type on his best day, but he’s a lot better than Ponson and Rasner and may have been someone who could have helped the Yankees a bit.

  63. Zooboy September 3rd, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Should he stay or should he go now?
    If he goes there could be trouble.
    If he stays there could be double.
    So come on Cash, let us know —
    will you stay, or will you go?

  64. insider September 3rd, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    I’ll save you all the guessing. Brian won’t be back.

  65. Al from BK(J-E-T-S, JETS, JETS, JETS!) September 3rd, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    When I read the paper last offseason and it said something like “Scrooged” and the text said how Cash had persuaded Yanks brass to not get Johan I wanted to kill him. Nobody else here will admit it but a lot of people were pissed when he was sitting at a press conference wearing an orange and blue cap.

  66. Fredo Corleone September 3rd, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    “Take your time thinking about it. Because the Steinbrenners have and they’ve decided that the best candidate is the incumbent.”

    The Devil You Know????

  67. S.o.S.27(Tina Fey =Sara Palin?) September 3rd, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Cashman has earned the right to stay. He has rebuilt a farm that was a joke just a few years ago. He got Abreu for nothing. Nady and Marte were one of the most saught after players in the deadline. Got them for Manny jr.(as some might say). Which imo was a great trade. He wasnt going to unload Wang,Kennedy and Melky(all center fielders were off the board at the time)for Santana.

    Im waiting for someone to say that he should get fired for not getting Hernandez or Arroyo.

  68. Brandon (90210 was worth it )..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 3rd, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    The Girardi fan club is out in full force I see.

    Since when ?

    This is 200 million dollar team people. It’s a playoff team. Girardi couldn’t bring them to the playoffs.

    Right….so when the 36 + yr. old position players struggle turning on a fastball that’s his fault right ?

    For years, The Torre haters said, “Any manager could do it.”

    Yes they could, w/ Brosius , Oneill and Sheffield in thier primes yes alot of people could have done that. Torre was a motivator not an X’s and O’s guy.

    Well Girardi’s “any manager” and he couldn’t do it.

    And this is year 1 w/ a flimsy roster even Pinella had problems when he got to Chicago.

    Injuries, under performance are no excuse. EVERY team has that. Guess what? We’ll have it again next year too!

    Really did every team lose thier #2 SP and have a project as an ACE ? Declining veterans and an inconsistant offense w/ players underachieveing or showing age ? It’s a young man’s game the roster had 2 supporting young position players Cano and Melky and Robi chose a bad season to play like crap.

  69. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut September 3rd, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Just saying… the RS have had their share of injuries, but they are in contention. Beckett has not been like he was last year. Dicey K has just been lucky, not good. Ortiz missed a lot of the season. The Captain Wonder is hitting below Molina. They lost Manny.

    Sorry, injuries are something that you manage around. Yes its tough, but if the Yankees were scoring runs even at a diminished rate from last year – but within reasonable margins, and Girardi didn’t blow more than the average number of games that managers lose, the Yankees would be right in the mix.

    Girardi has cost the Yankees 12 games. That’s 4 more than Torre had last year. With 6 more wins, just a .500 winning percentage, the Yankees wouldn’t be looking at missing out on the post season this year at this point in time.

  70. trisha - I support Sidney Ponson and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 3rd, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    “Judging by your moronic comments that ain’t any of you retards!!”

    Now is that really necessary? If you read that comment do you really think you should be pointing fingers at people for the things you accuse them of??

  71. Joe G. September 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    How can the Steinbrenners want this guy back??? Hes the main reason the Yankees are where they are today. There is absolutely no excuse for the Santana debacle as well as letting Sabathia, Harden and even Haren go to other teams without even trying to acquire them because he doesnt want to trade his OVERATED PROSPECTS.

  72. bodhisattva September 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    mel,

    IF you are a city dweller or in NY-Metro area, good kim chee and home-style korean food in general, can be had a Express Manna Kitchen at 28 18th Street, on the west side of Union Square Park. It’s affordable, tiny, no frills place but the woman works in an immaculate, open air kitchen.

    If you’re gg to the Stadium, even better, as the 4 train is nearby.

  73. Fan mail from some flounder... September 3rd, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    “Cashman’s hand-picked manager, Joe Girardi, had a rocky first season and may be overmatched by the job.”

    I guess Joe Torre had been “overmatched” since 2000 and seems to be “overmatched” in his 1st year in LA. Lots of “overmatched” managers in MLB this year but nowhere near as many “overmatched” sports writers…

  74. E-Man September 3rd, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    “How much is it Girardi being overmatched and how much has it been injuries?”

    Girardi treated every Left hand pitcher they faced as if they were Sandy Koufax.. Often times sitting out our best hitters because the pitchers stats VS LH were the only important stat to him for some reason.

    He would play guys every day while they slumped and sucked until they started to heat up and go on a tear, then he would rest them.. either at the start or in the middle.

    Then there were the little things like having your .200 hitting CF swing away bottom of the 9th, down a run, runners on, no outs, to just hit into another double play. Which everyone saw coming except Joe.

  75. Doreen September 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    The only quibble I have is with the statement “he has rebuilt the farm system.” I would only revise that to say he is in the midst of rebuilding the farm system after finally successfully convincing ownership that it was, in fact, broken. (Which is just as huge an accomplishment, IMO.)

  76. Jim in CT September 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Cashman haters might want to consider some of this:

    1. He built the farm system and defended it under a lot of pressure. And while it didn’t deliver a title this year, it’s still one of the best. He knows the talent, and still is much more committed to it than the Tampa crew.
    2. Cash has also been in place so long that the baseball ops and player development management are all pretty much his people.

    Observation #1: If I’m another owner, I’m pretty motivated to overpay Cashman to come on over — give him full control without public micromanagement — and bring his knowledge of the Yankees player development system & prospects with him. With that, he won’t need a $200M payroll to compete.
    Observation #2: Given the notorious meddling from Tampa, how committed do you really think the “Cashman people” in player development and baseball ops will be to NY if Cash leaves? Bowa sure didn’t wait around to find out, and I think you’re looking at a brain drain following a Cashman exit. Among the FO, loyalty counts a lot in this game.

    If Cashman goes, within 2 years you will be very, very sorry. What he built up will be picked away, some suddenly, some gradually. This falls into the “be real careful what you wish for” category.

  77. tterba September 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    LET HIM LEAVE… HE HAS MADE ONE BAD DECISION ON PITCHING AFTER ANOTHER… HE DID NOT BUILD THE GREAT 90′S TEAMS… BOB WATSON AND STICK DID…. DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT…

  78. Fredo Corleone September 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    “Judging by your moronic comments that ain’t any of you retards!!”

    I agree Trisha. This was not very nice.

    That said, it’s good to see a little irony each day and seeing words like “moronic” and “retards” coming from the author of that sentence just satisifed today’s quota. :)

  79. ray (sox fan) September 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Brandon (90210 was worth it )…”we play today, we lose today, das it”.
    September 3rd, 2008 at 1:15 pm
    “In looking at it more closely Byrd is not a shut down SP, and him going to BOston might help knock them out of the post season.”

    Brandon, I like reading your posts, but dude….this one doesn’t make a lick of sense. No one is saying Byrd is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he has already won several games for the Sox and has filled in nicely with all the injuries that presently exist.

  80. S.o.S.27(Tina Fey =Sara Palin?) September 3rd, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    “For years, The Torre haters said, “Any manager could do it.”

    All Torre was good at is keeping the pressure off his team and digging his nose in games. They have been on an uphill climb for a few years now. It was only a matter of time that these old leggs broke down. Unless you think he could have had them healthier and he was the fountain of youth. He wouldnt have done squat.

    FYI. He is fighting to make the playoffs himself in the crappiest division in baseball. Not impressed.

  81. mel September 3rd, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    bodhisattva,

    Thanks for the info, will pass it on to the son. If and when I make a trip, I’ll come here for recommendations. You guys know your stuff.

    As for me, I love Korean food (except for kim-chee) and yakiniku.

  82. COL 88 September 3rd, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Honey moon is not over for Girardi.

    The fact that the GM who doesn’t have a contract for next season told the media to blame him instead of Girardi should tell you all you need to know about what the organization thinks of him. Not to mention, Hank goes out of his way every week to praise him.

  83. Hybrid Moments September 3rd, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Cashman is the most overrated GM in baseball. If the Yankees don’t throw a ton of money at Sabathia and Teixeira next year then something is wrong.

  84. jennifer September 3rd, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Everyone seems to discount the loss of Posada had on this team. Yes Jose has done a good job. But he isn’t Posada.

    Look what happened to the soxs in 2006 when they lost Jason.

  85. mel September 3rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    E-man,

    I’ll grant you some of the stuff, but Girardi doesn’t sit his lefties nearly as much as Torre did. Torre was AFRAID to start Abreu against lefty aces. Like it would bruise his confidence or something.

    I caught something funny the other day. Girardi was leaning on a black bat. Jete’s?

  86. jennifer September 3rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    I agree If Girardi is overmatached in the best division in baseball. What does that say for Joe T, in the worst division in baseball. He IS UNDER .500!!!!!!

  87. TOS September 3rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    It’s misleading to call Girardi “Cashman’s hand-picked manager”. It’s not like Cashman interviewed Girardi, Pena, and Mattingly all by himself and then told Hal & Hank who he wanted. . .as I remember the ownership and Cashman were all in agreement that Girardi was way ahead of his competition.

    The ownership group knows what’s going on. . .they’re burning off a lot of old contracts this year and rolled the dice on two rookie pitchers in the rotation.

    It seems that the author of this blog would be more than happy to see Cashman leave, but that probably isn’t going to happen. It seems like ownership wants him back, and I’m sure Cashman would prefer not to leave on a down year. He has some unfinished business to take care of. . .

    We’ll see what happens, but if Cashman goes it will create a huge hole in the organization that won’t be filled quickly. There are a lot of people that want him gone, but I haven’t seen anybody name a successor. Being the Yankees GM is one of the toughest jobs in baseball, and there are few men or women in the game that would succeed here, if you really think about it.

  88. Joe G. September 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    What farm did Cashman build? They have one positional prospect in the minors (Austin Jackson) who is not even a guarantee. Other than Joba who is a guarantee as far as the pitching prospects. Who is so valuable and is a cant miss prospect that this idiot Cashman couldnt trade for a Santana, Sabathia, Haren or a Harden???? He also did a great job with researching Cole with this last draft.

  89. Brandon (90210 was worth it )..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Just saying… the RS have had their share of injuries, but they are in contention. Beckett has not been like he was last year. Dicey K has just been lucky, not good. Ortiz missed a lot of the season. The Captain Wonder is hitting below Molina. They lost Manny.

    And they have a young LH stud in Jon Lester and a dangerous offense w/ emergence of Pedroia and Youkilis, JD Drew assumed Ortiz’s role and took off, Manny was still there, Lowell was there, thier OF defense runs laps over ours.

    Sorry, injuries are something that you manage around. Yes its tough, but if the Yankees were scoring runs even at a diminished rate from last year – but within reasonable margins, and Girardi didn’t blow more than the average number of games that managers lose, the Yankees would be right in the mix.

    Hughes, Kennedy and Wang, Hughes and Kennedy = to 0 wins and we weakened our BP in saving them. Wang got hurt, right there alone he was atleast 14-16 wins lost for the season. Joba got hurt again 5-8 wins, Pettitte has declined through the pressure of the season and Ponson/Rasner/Giese have been our 4 and 5′s, what manager stays afloat w/ that ? Now yes there has been inconsistant things done w/ this lineup and the game plan but Girardi was trying anything to squeeze the offense out of this lineup.

    Girardi has cost the Yankees 12 games. That’s 4 more than Torre had last year. With 6 more wins, just a .500 winning percentage, the Yankees wouldn’t be looking at missing out on the post season this year at this point in time.

    Wang/Joba = how many wins , If Hughes were legit = how many wins, if Kennedy didn’t suck = how many wins ? Infact how stronger would that BP be and how about if this offense would have got a hit here a hit there, 2 less Jeter DP’s, Arod hits like Arod, Cano having that June be his season instead of 1 mth. of pulse, Giambi hit w/ RISP, Matsui not hurt, Abreu hit a wall or two, Damon lets a stronger arm field a ball here and there. It’s not just Girardi, it’s these players.

  90. ZMAN7777 September 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Adios, Brian. You’ve had plenty of years to demonstrate your abilities. Despite comments from your apologists, you have not delivered. Please feel free to enjoy one last evening with Pavano, Igawa, Sir Sidney, the Giambino, et al.

  91. Fredo Corleone September 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    “Everyone seems to discount the loss of Posada had on this team. Yes Jose has done a good job. But he isn’t Posada.”

    Jose could be blindfolded and he’s a better catcher than Posada, but Jorge’s bat and leadership have been sorely missed.

  92. Doreen September 3rd, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    At the start of the season, the Yankees were not hitting left handed pitching. Were not. So it was understandable that Girardi would try to get as many right-handed bats in the lineup as possible. However, once they did start hitting left handed pitching better, he stuck with the lefty-righty stuff in the lineup. I don’t think he needed to be so religious about that but when no one’s hitting anyway, at least not with RISP, did it really matter? I don’t honestly know, and no one could say for certain, I think.

    He did seem to rest certain players at odd times. I understand the need to keep the older players fresh. But it did seem odd to, for instance, give Damon a day off in the middle of a hot streak.

    I don’t think Giradi was perfect – I doubt his biggest supporters would try to make that argument. But I did like many things about him and the things I didn’t like seem to be things that he could improve upon after reviewing the way the season went once it’s done. Also, much will depend on his roster next season and how well it performs.

    I’m willing to give him this season as a “gimme.” (Aren’t I generous??? :lol: ) Listen if ARod alone had hit better with RISP, that’s a couple of wins right there, and then if Giambi did the same, that’s a couple more wins right there. Take a few GIDPs away from Jeter, and there ya go, they’re right back in the thick of it instead of on the outskirts of it.

    I happen to think the year the Yankees had Chacon and Aaron Small they were EXTREMELY lucky. Small should not have had that season. I’m glad he did, mind you, but it should have been more of a Rasner situation. I’m not saying you blame a bad season on bad luck, or credit a good season to good luck, but certainly luck plays a part, however small, good and bad.

  93. black Yankee September 3rd, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Wow, lots going on. Regarding Cashman, heres my opinion. I cant kill Cash for some of those decisions, as some are “Monday Morning Quarterbacking”
    Heres my bottom line. I look at his payroll, which is a pretty important tool to all GM`s. Some have more tools or better tools, Cashman had the best tools available.
    Look at the results. His bench is and has been awful. Even without injuries his starting pitching was going to be quite average. There were some obvious bad moves, especially picking up over rated NL pitchers, which he did for years. Igawa was real bad too.
    He has made some great moves too.
    Look at Theo, look at some of his moves. He got real lucky with Lowell and Okajima and Drew. He guessed right with Pedro, and survived the Manny stuff. He too has a huge amount of $$ to use, and things have falen his way.
    I still think (time to beat the dead horse) the only thing separating the Yanks from the Red Sox this year, If I could pick one move, it would be the Santana trade. I think with all thats gone on this year with the Yankees IF they had Santana they be at least 4 or 5 games better. That right now would put them in the thick of things.

  94. keyswahili September 3rd, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    No, Crashman hasn’t earned the right to be resigned. We have heard how Crashman “rebuilt” the farm system, but we have yet to see the results. I’m not saying that we won’t, but so far we hhave seen very little. So far the only real prospect that has had any real success is Chamberlain, every other big name prospect has been a flop, the minor league system still has yet to produce a quality position players. The high end prospect have yet to fully develop so they remain a question mark, if anything they are nothing but overhyped prospects.

    Again this past offseason was an absolute disaster. Only Giese has produced anything positive among any of the FA’s Crashman signed. Lane is no longer with the organization, Phillips and Traber were nothing but busts. Traber was signed as a lefty specialist but showed that he was nothing special struggling in the minors as well. Ensberg pretty much was a no-show as were all the other FA’s Crashman signed., not to mention he went after Sexson rather than Casey Blake who he could have had with two mid-level prospects. I haven’t mentioned the many,many mistakes he has made in the past years so no he doesn’t deserve a break. OMG you guys are such idiots.

  95. AdamB September 3rd, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    I dont understand how he has done anything remarkable lately.i would like to think that any GM with a $200 million salary should be able to get a team in the playoffs every year.I can’t think back in recent years and remember any great signings or additions.There are certainly more questionable decisions than good ones.Give me a $200 million payroll,a little bit of baseball knowledge and common sense and I could defintately get a team to the playoffs every year at least.

  96. Joe G. September 3rd, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Does anyone think that the Yankees should sign Manny next year for DH/Left field?? This guy has to be one of the best right handed hitters to ever play the game, minus the attitude. lol…Manny 3rd, A-Rod 4th, that would be the best 3,4 combination in baseball.

  97. E-Man September 3rd, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    “Really did every team lose thier #2 SP and have a project as an ACE ? Declining veterans and an inconsistant offense w/ players underachieveing or showing age ? It’s a young man’s game the roster had 2 supporting young position players Cano and Melky and Robi chose a bad season to play like crap.”

    The BOSTON RED SOX did.

    Beckett’s done, Schilling’s done, Colon is done, Wakefield was out for a while, Matsuzaka was hurt for a little bit, The Great Bucholz is in the minors, Okajima isn’t the same. Ortiz was hurt, Manny is gone, Lowell has been hurt, Drew has been hurt, Timlin has been hurt, Casey has been hurt, Varitek is hitting .228.

  98. S.o.S.27(Tina Fey =Sara Palin?) September 3rd, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    “Jose could be blindfolded and he’s a better catcher than Posada, but Jorge’s bat and leadership have been sorely missed.”

    I wonder if Jose could teach Posada in the offseason to throw blindfolded to second a tad faster. Wax on Wax off.

  99. Brandon (90210 was worth it )..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 3rd, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Who is so valuable and is a cant miss prospect that this idiot Cashman couldnt trade for a Santana, Sabathia, Haren or a Harden???? He also did a great job with researching Cole with this last draft.

    Cole chose to be college kid that’s on him not Cash. Santana for the length of his contract and his decline in stuff was not worth it. Sabathia is a FA, Haren cost how much for the DBacks ? Harden aka the human injury ? You can say all these names but the point is we chose to keep our young pitching prospects and position prospects, the Tabata deal was my big problem I love X but he is not going to be here longterm especially w/ Boras as his agent. Other than that we didn’t lose any valueable prospect and we kept our most valueable ones.

    Jesus Montero is still here, Chris Garcia is still here, Hughes is still here, Melancon, Wilkins De La Rosa who teams wanted, Zach McCallister who teams wanted, they are still here live w/ it dude.

  100. Drive 4-5 September 3rd, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Jim in CT,

    I’m not a Cashman hater, but I’m a pragmatist.

    I can’t find the answers,but maybe you can. Name 1 legitimate corner outfield prospect in the entire Yankee minor league system. 3rd base? Shortstop? 2nd base?

    I don’t believe Cashman has any players at these positions in the organization. At the moment, the Yanks minor league system seem to be over-rated.

  101. black Yankee September 3rd, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    to Beefeater,

    Whats even more amazing about that post on Milwaukee that you put up, those awful batting averages are against weak NL pitchers.
    I hope Cashman doesnt try to pluck any NL players without considering the NL to AL exchange rate

  102. ray (sox fan) September 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    E-Man

    One small modification to your posting…actually Beckett has been cleared to pitch this weekend.

  103. Brandon (90210 was worth it )..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 3rd, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Beckett’s done, Schilling’s done, Colon is done, Wakefield was out for a while, Matsuzaka was hurt for a little bit, The Great Bucholz is in the minors, Okajima isn’t the same. Ortiz was hurt, Manny is gone, Lowell has been hurt, Drew has been hurt, Timlin has been hurt, Casey has been hurt, Varitek is hitting .228.

    No one said they didn’t have pitching depth. When Ortiz was hurt Manny and Drew took over, when Manny was hurt Papi and Drew took over, Pedroia is more seasoned and Youkilis is a stud player in the AL. Timlin’s garbage, they also have a great game calling C in Tek. He alone calling games one them a bunch when his bat was and still is anemic.

  104. Joe G. September 3rd, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    “Santana for the length of his contract and his decline in stuff was not worth it.” How are Santana’s numbers declining?? He has alittle over a 2 ERA and if it wasnt for the Mets garbage bullpen, he’d have 17-18 wins now.

  105. 86w183 September 3rd, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    I’m okay with Cashman getting a chance to see this transition through. He has made some very good moves — the Nady/Marte trade for example, and some nor so good ones but this was going to be a year of transition either way. If the Yankees didn’t care about their fans or credibility the transition would have gone much more quickly with letting Mo, Jorge, Arod and Pettite all move on…. but it would have meant a year or two of sub .500 baseball.

    His new challenge is making the right decisions on which young arms to hold and which ones to move to fill other needs on the roster.

    They blew the top part of the draft this year, but I think this draft combined with last year’s draft and FA signings will yield a number of every day MLB position players.

    Hey Macadamia Nut—- Could you please list the 12 games Girardi has cost the Yankees and how he did so? Just making up numbers to reinforce a point doesn’t mean anything.

  106. Brandon (90210 was worth it )..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 3rd, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    He alone calling games won* them a bunch when his bat was and still is anemic.

  107. Bronx Jeers September 3rd, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Cashman should not be absolved for the failure of this team. He has had the job for 10 years and the team has been declining since 2003. Still I can’t see him leaving.

  108. Brandon (90210 was worth it )..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 3rd, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    How are Santana’s numbers declining?? He has alittle over a 2 ERA and if it wasnt for the Mets garbage bullpen, he’d have 17-18 wins now.

    His stuff….

    “Santana for the length of his contract and his decline in stuff was not worth it.”

    Velocity wise, he’s getting away w/ it now but once that scouting report gets used against him in yr. 2 and 3 it’s not going to be a pleasant thing for Santana. And no he is not worth 20 plus per season. No he is not. No.

  109. bruce September 3rd, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    cashman knows he has the most resourses to rebuild this team very quickly.

    that will not be the case with any other team.

    the yankees will win around 90 games and are not that far from changing this team into a team that can compete for years to come.

    they can trade hughes and or prospect(s) for an on the verge or already established center fielder who is young,trade cano and or prospect(s) for a good young pitcher to replace hughes and be a permanant part of the rotation,start trading prospects for a left fielder,right fielder,first baseman.

    they shold try to keep at least the best 3 pitching prospects with brackman being one of them,montero and jackson also unless they get what they need,players that might stay at a position for a long time.

    why would he wan’t to go to seattle where there is a lot of work to do?

    there is no place in the country like new york when the world series is won there.

    girardi does seem a little over his head but most managers would in new york.

    hopefully he learns from this year and put’s his focus on baseball instead of the outside distractions.

    he is very confident and it seems like he has too much informaion and stats floating around in his head at times.

    he has o learn how to put the best lineup on the field regardless of the lefty righty situations and at times a bad lineup was made to favor his strategy.

    next year the yankees need pitching,first base,center fielder.in 13 months they will need 2 corner outfielders.
    why not trade hughes,cano,kennedy,prospects for a center fielder,right fielder,left fielder,first baseman,pitching but make sure we are getting the right players in return.

    they gave up too much for marte and nady.they needed tabata,karsens,olendorf and whoever else was involved in the trade to bring in permanent soulutions instead of quick fixes.

    now they have two more players that have to be offered arbitration to in order to get draft picks.

    they should try and trade for volquez or someone similar a package of cano,kennedy,prospect(s) might do,then trade hughes and whatever else it takes to get a good young center fielder,then trade a combination of veterans and or prospects to get a first baseman,left fielder,right fielder.

    now you are rebuilt.now you got hopefully a good young pitcher to go with wang,joba and hopefully sabathia,that makes 4 so on or two more complete the staff,a first baseman and an entirely new outfield.

  110. E-Man September 3rd, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    “All Torre was good at is keeping the pressure off his team and digging his nose in games. They have been on an uphill climb for a few years now. It was only a matter of time that these old leggs broke down. Unless you think he could have had them healthier and he was the fountain of youth. He wouldnt have done squat.”

    “All Torre was good at…”

    12 years of the postseason

    6 World Series

    4 Trophies

    You can’t spin that any other way, you look foolish.

  111. 86w183 September 3rd, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Can’t blame Cashman for the lack of prospects at AAA… he hasn’t had authority there for that long. the Charleston team has a number of outstanding positional prospects and there are more coming from this draft.

    Still, he has to deliver this offseason to make certain the Yanks three things:

    1. A more legit starting rotation

    2. A younger lineup with better LH/RH balance

    3. A much improved defensive team

    With a large collection of good young arms and $ 80 M coming off the books has the resources to get it done. No let’s see if he does.

  112. Brandon (90210 was worth it )..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 3rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    next year the yankees need pitching,first base,center fielder.in 13 months they will need 2 corner outfielders.
    why not trade hughes,cano,kennedy,prospects for a center fielder,right fielder,left fielder,first baseman,pitching but make sure we are getting the right players in return.

    Ian Kennedy, George Kontos plus say a Jose Veras might net them a Lastings Milledge.

    they should try and trade for volquez or someone similar a package of cano,kennedy,prospect(s) might do,then trade hughes and whatever else it takes to get a good young center fielder,then trade a combination of veterans and or prospects to get a first baseman,left fielder,right fielder.

    That’s not happening, the REDS love Volquez, love him and Cueto. They aren’t trading Hughes.

  113. bruce September 3rd, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    my dream rotation is,sabathia,wang,joba,volquez,mussina.

    that is an absolutely sick rotation.

  114. Dirk from Rockland September 3rd, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Management knew that this was a transition year– and they knew of the free agents next year. Are they seriously going to tell you that they are going to take a year to rebuild the system? Who would go to the games. I wouldn’t doubt that Cashman told them that at the beginning of the year.

    Why would Cashman go after CC at the deadline, when he could sign him in the offseason for nothing? And if he should get Sheets as well? Look at the staff if he got both… CC, Wang, Sheets, Pettitte/Moose, Joba. You would have 4/5 of the rotation for at least 3 years at no cost of prospects. In the minors, you would have IPK, Hughes, Aceves, etc. to take the place of Pettitte/ Moose a year or 2 later– or join the bullpen. Say good bye to Pavano, El Sid, and Rasner. Cashman has got a plan– and the Steins know it.

  115. jk September 3rd, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Cashman had a failed 2007 offseason. The cherry on the ake is a couple of unsigned draft picks. He needs to do better.

    You can’t blame Girardi for the pile of dung Cashman handed him. Torre’s team is getting swept by the Nats in the middle of a pennant race so lets not go there.

  116. black Yankee September 3rd, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    and another thing.
    Regarding Cashman, Girardi has to take a hit as well. I think of all the games, and I`ll bet there are between 10-15 of them, where Girardi threw them away.
    Sitting good players, for the likes of Betemit, Ensberg etc early on. Leaving starting pitchers in long enough to let the game get out of hand, having bullpen tryouts during close games etc.
    More importantly, and I know very few people agree with what I`m about to say, but Girardi did not get the most of out a good many guys on this team. Most had underachieving years. I dont buy that these guys suddenly got old. Look at Carlos Delgado, Jim Thome, Glaus, Soriano, Chipper, Tejada, Winn just to name a few who are same ages as the Yankees and doing fine.

  117. E-Man September 3rd, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    “No one said they didn’t have pitching depth. When Ortiz was hurt Manny and Drew took over, when Manny was hurt Papi and Drew took over, Pedroia is more seasoned and Youkilis is a stud player in the AL. Timlin’s garbage, they also have a great game calling C in Tek. He alone calling games one them a bunch when his bat was and still is anemic.”

    That’s wonderful but this is what you asked:

    “Really did every team lose thier #2 SP and have a project as an ACE ? Declining veterans and an inconsistant offense w/ players underachieveing or showing age ?”

    They are ahead of us so yeah they are doing something right. But to say that WE are the only team experiencing MAJOR injuries and underperformance is ridiculous.

  118. S.o.S.27(Tina Fey =Sara Palin?) September 3rd, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    “12 years of the postseason

    6 World Series

    4 Trophies

    You can’t spin that any other way, you look foolish.”

    I could have won 4 W.S. with the team that was assembled. Lets not make him the John Wooden of Baseball. If i can recall he had a losing record before the Yankees hired him. Whats foolish is writing off Girardi after an injury riddled year like this one. Lets see what he does next year with a healthy and reloaded team. If he fails. Then im all for trying someone else out.

  119. Joe G. September 3rd, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Santana- 2nd in NL in IP-196, 3rd in NL ERA-2.71, 4th in NL with CG’s-2, 5th in Nl with SO- 169, 7th in NL with WHIP- 1.15. Brandon, in 2 or 3 years maybe his STUFF will be in decline, but the guy is still just 29 years old and the Yankees would be alot better off with him then without him even in your opinion, with his stuff declining in 2 or 3 years.

  120. RER September 3rd, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    General Managers and field managers have no control over what injuries will happen over the course of any season.
    Cashman did the right thing by nor putting bandaids on problems and straying away from his plan that he put forth 2 years ago.
    It’s well documented that some housecleaning will be done and it will start by ridding the team of certain contracts and putting the team in the direction of getting younger and more roster flexible which has been necessary for the past few years.
    Cashman will need to surround himself with good baseball people to right the ship and a good start would come in hiring Buck Showalter as a knowledgeable advisor.

  121. MoBoy(aka McLovin) September 3rd, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Why would Cashman leave.He gets to spend $200 million a year what does he really have to deal with.Also if he was better at getting free agent starting pitchers we wouldn’t have to be desperate at putting young pitchers in the rotation when they need more expirence.

    Cashman will come back.No matter how much people think he’s job is hard he has so many resources that out way that.Pete don’t make Cashman as a victim.

  122. E-Man September 3rd, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    “I could have won 4 W.S. with the team that was assembled. Lets not make him the John Wooden of Baseball. If i can recall he had a losing record before the Yankees hired him. Whats foolish is writing off Girardi after an injury riddled year like this one. Lets see what he does next year with a healthy and reloaded team. If he fails. Then im all for trying someone else out.”

    Casey Stengel had a losing record before and after he came to the Yankees too.

    I’ve seen all I want to of Girardi. He’s learning on the job and we don’t have that type of team. He’s more suitable for the minors or a highschool team.

    Next year, We’re not going to have an injury free team. Baseball doesn’t work like that.

  123. Brandon (90210 was worth it )..."we play today, we lose today, das it". September 3rd, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Brandon, in 2 or 3 years maybe his STUFF will be in decline, but the guy is still just 29 years old and the Yankees would be alot better off with him then without him even in your opinion, with his stuff declining in 2 or 3 years.

    There is no maybe his stuff is already declining, again if you think it’s wise paying 20 million to Tom Glavine then I get your point, because that is what he will be pitching like. It’s funny to me we are debating whether it was the right move longterm wise and I still say a resounding YES! It was smart not to lose players in our system and to take on the longterm at a maximum price w/ a declining player. YES ! it was the right decision longterm wise. And no we wouldn’t be better off w/ him the AL has better hitters more patient ones then the NL and there is no pitchers batting slot to save him here in the AL. Right now name me the best patient team in the NL w/o looking at stats ? You can’t and that’s the NL right there, a wild swinging league that Santana and Sabathia are living off on. The only difference is CC hasn’t lost any ability on velocity or break on his pitches. Meanwhile again Joe G. you must have checked out for most of this season because the problem has been the bats falling asleep in the Bronx not the pitching.

  124. GreenBeret7 September 3rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    SOS, Torre had a losing record because of the years spent managing one of the worst teams in baseball history….the ’77-81 Mets. He took over a last place Braves team (from Bobby Cox) and took them into first place in ’82 and second place the menxt two years. He took over a last place Cardinals team in 1990 and got them to second place in his first full season and 3rd the next two years. But, yeah, he was a loser as a manager.

  125. Torre? September 3rd, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Well, hes done a horrible job in LA. They are horrible

  126. 86w183 September 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Torre had a miserable record (286-420 .405) with some awful Mets teams. He did a very good job with the Braves for three years (257-229 .529) including a division title. He got mixed reviews for six years in St Louis (351-354 .498) where he finished second once, third three times but never won the division.

    Obviously he was very good manager with the Yankees. Just as obviously he capitalized on being surrounded by great talent.

  127. Brian September 3rd, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    He hasn’t really distinguished himself in the position so I really couldn’t care if he left. I agree with the new plan to focus on developing the farm, but was this really the original plan or a “plan B” after the payroll was so high the farm was really the only other option. The Yankees have been largely outmaneuvered (Inoa, MAtsusaka) and have signed their fair share of crap (Kevin Brown, Pavano, the horrendous Giambi contract, giving Cano a long term deal). Whether cashman is fully to blame is regardless, the buck stops with him. He has failed in upgrading the rotation now for about his entire tenure. This spring, he made a MAJOR tactical error going with Kennedy and Hughes and no real plan “B” other than Rasner and Igawa. He has made a few nice moves (Abreu, etc). Bottom line, when he assumed the post, the yankees were a dynasty and a playoff lock. I know its a competetive business, but a whole lot has changed for the worse over his tenure.

  128. Joey's Poodle September 3rd, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    I know I’ve made this or a similar point before, but — not a good time for another newbie in the NYY FO. Novice ownership, novice manager, novice coaches in key positions — let’s keep SOMEONE who has SOME clue about where the organization’s been and where it ought to be going: Cashman.

    That said, if he gives us a useless bench again, I’ll change my mind.

  129. Joey's Poodle September 3rd, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Silly to carp about Pete noticing that Girardi “may be overmatched”.

    “May” expresses uncertainty, possibility. Pete’s a wordsmith. He didn’t pick the word by throwing darts.

    Of course Girardi “may” be overmatched. Impossible to tell from the available evidence whether he is or not.

    We can still hope.

  130. SteveB September 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Pete, do you know the actual date Cashman’s contract is up?

  131. NongEyeWayneTolleson September 3rd, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    I love how Pete throws in digs at Girardi all of the time…overmatched? Sure..possibly…since this is his 2nd full year managing and in NYC, for the greatest franchise in all of sports. Give the guy a break.

  132. eric September 3rd, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    How about mentioning the injuries? Posada, Wang, Joba, Hughes, A-Rod, Jeter, Matsui? Yes, some of them aren’t the youngest guys any more, but still, having all those injuries is what cost them as much as any of the rest of the Yankee bashing you’re doing in this entry.

  133. Yankee2123 September 3rd, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Time for new blood. I would like to see a GM who will contrast with Girardi somewhat. I think Joe got a free pass this year, and I want him on the hotseat next year, and see how he responds.

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